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From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:33 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: A Jew finally gets it!
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:36:09 -0700
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On Sep 25, 4:47 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> On Sep 25, 3:26 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
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> > On Sep 25, 4:06 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
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> > > On Sep 25, 2:29 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
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> > > > On Sep 25, 3:22 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
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> > > > > On Sep 25, 2:20 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > > Would someone who hates Jews would say that he/she would not want to
> > > > > > see them hurt?
>
> > > > > Possibly, if said person were being insincere, and, while professing
> > > > > this benevolent intention, nonetheless spreading libels against and
> > > > > causing harm to them.
>
> > > > That could be just about anything. Other people are discussed in
> > > > positive and negative terms without having labels put on them for it.
>
> > > > I say make nice and people will like you, make nasty and people will
> > > > not like you. It goes for everyone. Why should Jews be different?
> > > > Pretty arrogant. No?
>
> > > I never said that Jews should be any different.  But clearly, you do
> > > not treat Jews as individuals in this regard.  You label them "nasty"
> > > as a group.
>
> > Other people constantly call each other even worse names without
> > trying to make up labels for universal use for those they do not agree
> > with.
>
> And what exactly does that mean, pray tell?

There are those who do not like Russians.
Do we call them antirusianites?

How about Ukrainians, Rumanians, Lithuanians or whatever?
Do we call them antiUkrainianites, antiRumanianites,
antiLithuanianites, antiWhateverites and all that garbage?
>
> > So, why should Jews be treated any different?
>
> Different from what?  I don't even know what you're talking about.

Really?
>
> Anyway, it appears you have succesfully trolled this discussion away
> from the point.

I thought that you wanted to know if I consider you a zionazi. I asked
you a simple question about Jewish-Palestinian lands and you did a lot
of dancing around. I call that trolling.



From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:33 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: A Jew finally gets it!
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:13:26 -0700
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On Sep 25, 6:00 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1190734569.542651.136...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
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>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > On Sep 25, 4:47 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > > On Sep 25, 3:26 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 25, 4:06 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 25, 2:29 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 25, 3:22 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2:20 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Would someone who hates Jews would say that he/she would not want
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > see them hurt?
>
> > > > > > > Possibly, if said person were being insincere, and, while
> > > > > > > professing
> > > > > > > this benevolent intention, nonetheless spreading libels against and
> > > > > > > causing harm to them.
>
> > > > > > That could be just about anything. Other people are discussed in
> > > > > > positive and negative terms without having labels put on them for it.
>
> > > > > > I say make nice and people will like you, make nasty and people will
> > > > > > not like you. It goes for everyone. Why should Jews be different?
> > > > > > Pretty arrogant. No?
>
> > > > > I never said that Jews should be any different.  But clearly, you do
> > > > > not treat Jews as individuals in this regard.  You label them "nasty"
> > > > > as a group.
>
> > > > Other people constantly call each other even worse names without
> > > > trying to make up labels for universal use for those they do not agree
> > > > with.
>
> > > And what exactly does that mean, pray tell?
>
> > There are those who do not like Russians.
> > Do we call them antirusianites?
>
> > How about Ukrainians, Rumanians, Lithuanians or whatever?
> > Do we call them antiUkrainianites, antiRumanianites,
> > antiLithuanianites, antiWhateverites and all that garbage?
>
> > > > So, why should Jews be treated any different?
>
> > > Different from what?  I don't even know what you're talking about.
>
> > Really?
>
> > > Anyway, it appears you have succesfully trolled this discussion away
> > > from the point.
>
> > I thought that you wanted to know if I consider you a zionazi. I asked
> > you a simple question about Jewish-Palestinian lands and you did a lot
> > of dancing around. I call that trolling.
>
> Poor Turkey ... still refuses to learn anything on his own.
>
> A person who hates Ukrainians might be called a "Ukrainian hater,"
> right? Well, a person who hated Jews thought that "Jew Hater" sounded a
> bit too harsh, so he coined the word "anti-Semite." Jews didn't coin
> that word, Turkey, a Jew-hater did.
>
> If you have a problem, take it up with the Jew-haters. You know, the
> folks you see when you look into the mirror?


I would not be so cruel as to ask you to look into a mirror :-)

Be sure to say hi to your zionazi ADL Armenian Holocaust denier
scumbag friends.




From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:33 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: A Jew finally gets it!
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On Sep 25, 6:07 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> On Sep 25, 4:36 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
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> > On Sep 25, 4:47 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
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> > > On Sep 25, 3:26 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
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> > > > On Sep 25, 4:06 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
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> > > > > On Sep 25, 2:29 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
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> > > > > > On Sep 25, 3:22 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2:20 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Would someone who hates Jews would say that he/she would not want to
> > > > > > > > see them hurt?
>
> > > > > > > Possibly, if said person were being insincere, and, while professing
> > > > > > > this benevolent intention, nonetheless spreading libels against and
> > > > > > > causing harm to them.
>
> > > > > > That could be just about anything. Other people are discussed in
> > > > > > positive and negative terms without having labels put on them for it.
>
> > > > > > I say make nice and people will like you, make nasty and people will
> > > > > > not like you. It goes for everyone. Why should Jews be different?
> > > > > > Pretty arrogant. No?
>
> > > > > I never said that Jews should be any different.  But clearly, you do
> > > > > not treat Jews as individuals in this regard.  You label them "nasty"
> > > > > as a group.
>
> > > > Other people constantly call each other even worse names without
> > > > trying to make up labels for universal use for those they do not agree
> > > > with.
>
> > > And what exactly does that mean, pray tell?
>
> > There are those who do not like Russians.
> > Do we call them antirusianites?
>
> > How about Ukrainians, Rumanians, Lithuanians or whatever?
> > Do we call them antiUkrainianites, antiRumanianites,
> > antiLithuanianites, antiWhateverites and all that garbage?
>
> Perhaps not quite in those words, but the sentiment would be just as
> irrational and worthy of derision as anti-Semitism.
>
> > > Anyway, it appears you have succesfully trolled this discussion away
> > > from the point.
>
> > I thought that you wanted to know if I consider you a zionazi. I asked
> > you a simple question about Jewish-Palestinian lands and you did a lot
> > of dancing around. I call that trolling.
>
> I didn't do any "dancing around".  I gave you a straight and direct
> answer to your question - three times.  Then you did a lot of dancing
> around.

Let me ask you for the last time!

Do you agree that Israel's boundaries should be those defined by the
1947 UN partition, not one square foot more or less?





From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:34 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Ron Jacobson is an antisemite, nazi, revisionist, jewhater, denier and a liar to boot...
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Ron Jacobson is an antisemite, nazi, revisionist, jewhater, denier and
a liar to boot...








From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:34 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: A Jew finally gets it!
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On Sep 25, 8:02 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> On Sep 25, 6:18 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
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> > On Sep 25, 6:07 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
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> > > On Sep 25, 4:36 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
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> > > > On Sep 25, 4:47 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
> > > > > Anyway, it appears you have succesfully trolled this discussion away
> > > > > from the point.
>
> > > > I thought that you wanted to know if I consider you a zionazi. I asked
> > > > you a simple question about Jewish-Palestinian lands and you did a lot
> > > > of dancing around. I call that trolling.
>
> > > I didn't do any "dancing around".  I gave you a straight and direct
> > > answer to your question - three times.  Then you did a lot of dancing
> > > around.
>
> > Let me ask you for the last time!
>
> > Do you agree that Israel's boundaries should be those defined by the
> > 1947 UN partition, not one square foot more or less?
>
> No, I would not be nearly that dogmatic in pushing any such agenda
> regarding legitimate boundaries.
>
> As I have said several times already, I think the position taken by
> Gush Shalom - the group you earlier referred to as "decent Jews" - is
> more than reasonable.
>
> In case you have forgotten, it is this: "Reinstating the pre-1967
> "Green Line" as the border between the State of Israel and the State
> of Palestine (with possible minor exchanges of territories agreed
> between the parties)"
>
> So back to the question: does this make Gush Shalom "zionazis"?  Does
> my taking the same position make me one?

He seems like a decent person who wants peace. Probably, he is not a
zionazi. If people like him could work out a just peace with the
Palestinians, we all would be happier.

I do note believe you when you are saying that you agree with his
position because here you run with the zionazis.




From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:34 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Re: A Jew finally gets it!
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On Sep 25, 7:45 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1190740406.869517.266...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > On Sep 25, 6:00 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> > > In article <1190734569.542651.136...@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > > > On Sep 25, 4:47 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 25, 3:26 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 25, 4:06 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2:29 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 25, 3:22 pm, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2:20 pm, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Would someone who hates Jews would say that he/she would not
> > > > > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > see them hurt?
>
> > > > > > > > > Possibly, if said person were being insincere, and, while
> > > > > > > > > professing
> > > > > > > > > this benevolent intention, nonetheless spreading libels against
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > causing harm to them.
>
> > > > > > > > That could be just about anything. Other people are discussed in
> > > > > > > > positive and negative terms without having labels put on them for
> > > > > > > > it.
>
> > > > > > > > I say make nice and people will like you, make nasty and people
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > not like you. It goes for everyone. Why should Jews be different?
> > > > > > > > Pretty arrogant. No?
>
> > > > > > > I never said that Jews should be any different.  But clearly, you
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > not treat Jews as individuals in this regard.  You label them
> > > > > > > "nasty"
> > > > > > > as a group.
>
> > > > > > Other people constantly call each other even worse names without
> > > > > > trying to make up labels for universal use for those they do not
> > > > > > agree
> > > > > > with.
>
> > > > > And what exactly does that mean, pray tell?
>
> > > > There are those who do not like Russians.
> > > > Do we call them antirusianites?
>
> > > > How about Ukrainians, Rumanians, Lithuanians or whatever?
> > > > Do we call them antiUkrainianites, antiRumanianites,
> > > > antiLithuanianites, antiWhateverites and all that garbage?
>
> > > > > > So, why should Jews be treated any different?
>
> > > > > Different from what?  I don't even know what you're talking about.
>
> > > > Really?
>
> > > > > Anyway, it appears you have succesfully trolled this discussion away
> > > > > from the point.
>
> > > > I thought that you wanted to know if I consider you a zionazi. I asked
> > > > you a simple question about Jewish-Palestinian lands and you did a lot
> > > > of dancing around. I call that trolling.
>
> > > Poor Turkey ... still refuses to learn anything on his own.
>
> > > A person who hates Ukrainians might be called a "Ukrainian hater,"
> > > right? Well, a person who hated Jews thought that "Jew Hater" sounded a
> > > bit too harsh, so he coined the word "anti-Semite." Jews didn't coin
> > > that word, Turkey, a Jew-hater did.
>
> > > If you have a problem, take it up with the Jew-haters. You know, the
> > > folks you see when you look into the mirror?
>
> > I would not be so cruel as to ask you to look into a mirror :-)
>
> > Be sure to say hi to your zionazi ADL Armenian Holocaust denier
> > scumbag friends.
>
> What a fascinating series of lies!
>
> You've got a rather short memory, Turkey. I was the first one here to
> agree that the ADL was completely wrong on the Armenian genocide.
>
> The rest of it is bullshit, too.

You are behaving very unladylike again.

Have a nice zionazi day!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Re: Why does "Cramer" hate Muslims?
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On Sep 24, 9:06 pm, "Nizkor Project"  wrote:
> "Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message
>
> news:a9Kdnf1bN_yjWGrbnZ2dnUVZ_q6hnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > "Nizkor Project"  wrote in message
> >news:LZOJi.296$P21.70@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >> "RJ11"  wrote in message
> >>news:fd7nqp$l0e$1@pcls6.std.com...
> >>>   "You seem to think I am a backer of these Islamic monkeys. You
> >>> couldn't be further from the truth." -- Posted by "Ben Cramer",
> >>> Source:  Message-ID:  
>
> >>>   "We've got the fucking Islamic idiots trying to alter our
> >>> way of life to fit in with theirs" --  Posted by "Ben Cramer",
> >>> Source:  Message-ID:  
>
> >>> RJ.
>
> >> Nowhere it says he hates muslims. You are a loser who holding mommy's
> >> hand still.
>
> > The ole jacobsOn experiences some real difficulties with comprehension,
> > honesty, integrity and decency.
>
> Comprehension is his biggest problem. That's what happens when you suck
> mommy's titie for too long.

He is very stupid. It is beyond his comprehension that one does not
have to embrace either the Islamic or the Jewish terrorists.

He thinks (is he capable of thinking?) that those who object to the
barbaric actions on Nazi Israel and all that holohustlering are
necessarily for Islamic terrorists. Just because one does not want to
step into cat poop, it does not mean that one wants to step into dog
poop.

Poop is poop folks :-)

Have a nice vegetarian no stepping into any poop day!





From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:35 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Why should anyone answer any zionazi questions?  - Re: Why does "Cramer" hate Muslims?
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On Sep 26, 3:25 pm, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
> " Charles Stewart-Fox"  wrote in messagenews:46fa446b$0$26481$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
> > You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with this particular poster RJ11.
>
> > Regarding your claim that Cramer hates Muslims, could you please identify
> > for me, the exact areas in his post which declare such hate? I'm afraid
> > all I can identify is a person who is concerned with an influx of Muslims
> > into his country, as do many across the world, and a statement he does not
> > support them.
>
> > Would appreciate your elaboration. I'd like to know how you tick.
>
> > Charles
>
> Are you always this disingenuous?  Cramer hates everyone who isn't exactly
> like him.  How do YOU tick, Charles?  Are you like Cramer?

Why should anyone answer any zionazi questions?

As soon as you answer a zionazi question, the zionazi comes back
asking the same question you just answered. It seems that zionazis can
do that repeatedly until anyone gullible enough to have tried to
answer a zionazi's question is exhausted.

After you get tired of going around in circles with the zionazi asking
the same question repeatedly and ignoring your responses, the zionazi
will declare victory.

That is the zionazi way.

Did anyone notice that zionazis only ask questions but never answer
them?

Have a nice zionazi day!





From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:35 EDT 2007
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On Sep 26, 4:10 pm, vget...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 26, 12:43 am, "Benjamin Cramer" 
> wrote:
>
> please stop with your hate. I live in Austria and I know from history
> what hate can do.
>
> we know who you are. we know that your son died. we know
> you are full of anger and hate because of this but what you are
> doing only makes it worse, please stop.

I think that you dragging his child into this discussion is more
hateful than anything Cramer posts.

You may live in Austria but your slimy attack involving his family
sounds more like a zionazi than an Austrian.

The people posting here do not have much love for each other and
civility is not what this list is known for. Cramer is called some
nasty names and gives as good as he gets. That is how it is. I tried
to prevail on both sides to be nicer to each other but I was ridiculed
for it by the zionazis. It was a long time ago and now I just take
things as they come.

So, what are you?

How do you know about Cramer?

Are you a zionazi spy?

Have an Austrian zionazi day!



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On Sep 26, 8:39 pm, "Patrick Keenan"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1190830823.096081.34070@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 26, 4:10 pm, vget...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sep 26, 12:43 am, "Benjamin Cramer" 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> please stop with your hate. I live in Austria and I know from history
> >> what hate can do.
>
> >> we know who you are. we know that your son died. we know
> >> you are full of anger and hate because of this but what you are
> >> doing only makes it worse, please stop.
>
> > I think that you dragging his child into this discussion is more
> > hateful than anything Cramer posts.
>
> Could you remind us of something?
>
> What exactly was your response, again,  when "Mr. Cramer" started making
> comments about my children?
>
> If you think that bringing up the family of "Mr. Cramer" is hateful enough
> to comment on, *surely* you have a view on "Mr. Cramer's"' habit of suddenly
> bringing up the families of others.
>
>  I don't recall seeing any comment from you when he did that.
>
> It can't be that you think it's OK when "Mr. Cramer" does it... can it?


I did not see any. I think that bringing family into these arguments
is just wrong and I do not care who does it. I looked a few posts down
and see where Cramer says that his comment was: "keenan, was that they
pissed off from home to get away from you". I would not even make that
comment but I do not see how you could compare that to the vile and
hateful comment you zionazi friend made to Cramer about the death of
his child. That is just disgusting.

It says a world about your values when you pretend that the two
comments are the same.

Any more questions?



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.greek
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On Sep 27, 6:05 am, Ken McVay  wrote:



Don't ya just love it when people throw zionazi hypocrisy right back
in their faces.

WATERTOWN, MA - The Watertown, Massachusetts Town Council voted
unanimously this evening to cut ties with the Anti-Defamation League,
citing concerns about ADL National Director Abraham Foxman's denial of
the Armenian Genocide and opposition to Congressional legislation
reaffirming that crime against humanity, reported the Armenian
National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts (ANCEM).



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On Sep 27, 7:25 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article ,
> Sara Salzman   wrote:
>
> >Mr. Cramer's latest "intelligent" comments:
>
> >you cloth-eared bint
> >fat slag
> >fat slag
> >your total fuckwittery
> >fuckwits like you
> >kiwikunt
> >pedantic, lying fuckwit,
> >troughlicker
> >silly little troughlicker
> >you despicable, pathological old liar.
>
> Ah, the "Intellectual adventure of the" (previous) "century."
>
> When confronting the strength of the deniers' arguments (see above), one's
> mind boggles.
>
> Their, er, brilliance, shines through, daily exposing the moral bankruptcy
> that is Holocaust denial.

Why is it that every day is a Jewish holohustlering day but the
zionazi ADL would deny even one day for the Armenian Holocaust?

Have a nice paid zionazi hate propaganda day!



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On Sep 27, 1:13 pm, vget...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 26 Sep., 20:20, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > On Sep 26, 4:10 pm, vget...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 26, 12:43 am, "Benjamin Cramer" 
> > > wrote:
>
> > > please stop with your hate. I live in Austria and I know from history
> > > what hate can do.
>
> > > we know who you are. we know that your son died. we know
> > > you are full of anger and hate because of this but what you are
> > > doing only makes it worse, please stop.
>
> > I think that you dragging his child into this discussion is more
> > hateful than anything Cramer posts.
>
> I am trying to explain and to prevent more sadness and tragedies.

No, you are showing us what a total slime you are. I have seen a lot
of slime from the pro-holo and the anti-holo side and it is hard to
say who is worse but I have yet to see a post that disgusted me so
much. You are a very miserable hatful human being and I am being far
too generous calling you a human being.
>
> > You may live in Austria but your slimy attack involving his family
> > sounds more like a zionazi than an Austrian.
>
> I am not attacking anyone, I am telling you why he hates people so
> much, it is because the death of his son was much his fault and
> he is taking his anger and frustration against other people,
> especially the jews which are the classic scapegoat. you agree
> that is right to do?

Cramer is sometimes too harsh for my taste but so are some of the pro-
holo folks. I take it all in stride. We have two groups posting here
with very opposing agendas. The pro-holo group wants to exploit an old
tragedy while the anti-holo group says that it never happened. No
medals for either side but you are worse than any of them. You drag
Cramer's son and a personal tragedy into these discussions. You should
be ashamed of yourself.

>
> > The people posting here do not have much love for each other and
> > civility is not what this list is known for. Cramer is called some
> > nasty names and gives as good as he gets. That is how it is. I tried
> > to prevail on both sides to be nicer to each other but I was ridiculed
> > for it by the zionazis. It was a long time ago and now I just take
> > things as they come.
>
> > So, what are you?
>
> > How do you know about Cramer?
>
> what does it matter, no one can hide today. I have more information
> and I am not posting it here although I may send it to some people.

It matters. You bring Cramer's family into these discussions. The pro-
holo folks may think that you are doing them a service but you slime
them all.

>
> all I want is to prevent more tragedies, he behaved very badly in the
> past and see what happened, I do not want more tragedies to
> happen, do you understand?

Your sliming here does nothing good. All you do is slime. Shame on
you.
>
> > Are you a zionazi spy?
>
> > Have an Austrian zionazi day!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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I am not so stupid as to ask you folks to get along because I know
that it is not possible. I am not even going to ask you people not to
use degrading terms for each other because I know that will not happen
either.

I would like to ask you all not to hate each other because we do not
know each other well enough to hate. My estimate is that most of us
are of advanced age, retired and use this forum for entertainment.
What you need to think about is that if you only had people posting
who agreed with you, the list would die of inactivity.

Let us have controversy and some sparks but not hate.

Some of you think that the Jewish Genocide is the most important event
of the ages and that it needs to be told repeatedly with as much
detail as possible and the more of it is the better.

Some of you think that it never happened.

That is a huge difference of opinion and it is not surprising that
emotions are pretty worked up over the "lies" of the other side. Well,
one person's lie is another person's truth and calling the other
person a liar makes as much sense as calling yourself a liar.

Have fun, use all the labels you can think of but less hate, please.

Have a nice vegetarian day!



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On Sep 27, 11:59 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1190912022.953722.261...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > I am not so stupid as to ask you folks to get along because I know
> > that it is not possible. I am not even going to ask you people not to
> > use degrading terms for each other because I know that will not happen
> > either.
>
> > I would like to ask you all not to hate each other because we do not
> > know each other well enough to hate. My estimate is that most of us
> > are of advanced age, retired and use this forum for entertainment.
>
> Well, you're wrong there.
>
> > What you need to think about is that if you only had people posting
> > who agreed with you, the list would die of inactivity.
>
> An interesting comment from someone who refuses to engage in debate.
>
>
>
> > Let us have controversy and some sparks but not hate.
>
> You mean like calling everyone who disagrees with you a zionazi?
>
>
>
> > Some of you think that the Jewish Genocide is the most important event
> > of the ages and that it needs to be told repeatedly with as much
> > detail as possible and the more of it is the better.
>
> Well... that's the topic of the newsgroup, Genius.
>
>
>
> > Some of you think that it never happened.
>
> > That is a huge difference of opinion and it is not surprising that
> > emotions are pretty worked up over the "lies" of the other side. Well,
> > one person's lie is another person's truth and calling the other
> > person a liar makes as much sense as calling yourself a liar.
>
> > Have fun, use all the labels you can think of but less hate, please.
>
> And use foul language as long as your name is Cramer, right?

>
> > Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> --
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>  -Lenny Bruce

I am afraid that you are missing my point. I have long given up on
civility and have you noticed that I never took offense at you calling
me an anonymous coward and some other names. I would hope that if you
play in this sandbox, you are a big enough girl to take a few hits.
You must forgive me form my humorous references to your picture but
you look so big and so angry on that picture and everybody on that
picture looks as if they were afraid of you. Why would you make a
picture like that public? Surely, you have better pictures than that.
Give yourself and everyone else a break and post a recent, much
smaller and less scary photo of yourself. My good friend Toni is so
scared of that picture that he even wrote me about it. Enough of that.
None of that is hate, just innocent funning because you must know that
I do not harbor any hatred for you, do not wish you or your loved ones
any harm.

Calling some of you nice folks zionazis is no different from some of
you nice folks calling others antisemites, nazis, deniers,
revisionists and stuff like that. We all love labeling those we
disagree with. I really do not see what the fuss is. You complain
about being called something that you claim not to know what it is. Is
it not a bit disingenuous?

If you start with the notion that noting you or anyone else posts here
does make any difference but it is a good way to spend a few hours a
day then you will see my point. As my good friend Toni pointed out
bringing a personal tragedy here is crossing the line.

Have a nice vegetarian day!




From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:37 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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On Sep 27, 7:28 am, TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> On Sep 27, 6:05 am, Ken McVay  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Don't ya just love it when people throw zionazi hypocrisy right back
> in their faces.
>
> WATERTOWN, MA - The Watertown, Massachusetts Town Council voted
> unanimously this evening to cut ties with the Anti-Defamation League,
> citing concerns about ADL National Director Abraham Foxman's denial of
> the Armenian Genocide and opposition to Congressional legislation
> reaffirming that crime against humanity, reported the Armenian
> National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts (ANCEM).

One could compare the revulsion of Watertown, Massachusetts Armenians
for the zionazi Armenian Holocaust denier ADL posturing against hate
in their town while promoting hate against the Armenians to the
revulsion of Skokie, Illinois Jews to the so called Nazis who planned
to march through their Jewish neighorhood.

One could but one would be wrong. While the Armenians had every reason
to object to the Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags, the Jews of
Skokie, Illinois were part of a monumental hoax perpetrated by one of
their own. The so called Nazi leader was in fact a Jew.  His real name
is Joseph Cohen, born on Nov 3,1944 in Chicago, conceived in Feb of
1943 in Dachau concentration camp (According to his father).

The zionazi hoax worked. There were countless anti Nazi demonstrations
against a Nazi who was a Jew and whose only game was holohustlering.

 http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm

The zionazi is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.

A zionazi has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either.

Have a nice Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags holohustlering day!

The zionazi is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
A zionazi has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either.




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On Sep 28, 2:59 pm, Big Kevin  wrote:
> waldeau...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sep 26, 10:07 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> >> Mr. Cramer's latest "intelligent" comments:
>
> >> you cloth-eared bint
> >> fat slag
> >> fat slag
> >> your total fuckwittery
> >> fuckwits like you
> >> kiwikunt
> >> pedantic, lying fuckwit,
> >> troughlicker
> >> silly little troughlicker
> >> you despicable, pathological old liar.
>
> > Shouldn't you be busy clandestinely plotting to disrupt the speech of
> > some author, or foreign president or something, Salzman?
>
> > **
>
> > Waldo
>
> > Observer at Large
>
> Shouldn't you stick your head up a horse's ass, hit it in the balls, and
> see how long it takes for the rattle snake bites to rot your nuts off?
> Fuck wit.

Is this a contest?

It is a bit rough for most people but could you tell us how you did
and let him decide if he wants to break your record?



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On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, Doc Tony  wrote:
> TurkeyBoy wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 11:59 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>
> >>In article <1190912022.953722.261...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >> TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> >>>I am not so stupid as to ask you folks to get along because I know
> >>>that it is not possible. I am not even going to ask you people not to
> >>>use degrading terms for each other because I know that will not happen
> >>>either.
>
> >>>I would like to ask you all not to hate each other because we do not
> >>>know each other well enough to hate. My estimate is that most of us
> >>>are of advanced age, retired and use this forum for entertainment.
>
> >>Well, you're wrong there.
>
> >>>What you need to think about is that if you only had people posting
> >>>who agreed with you, the list would die of inactivity.
>
> >>An interesting comment from someone who refuses to engage in debate.
>
> >>>Let us have controversy and some sparks but not hate.
>
> >>You mean like calling everyone who disagrees with you a zionazi?
>
> >>>Some of you think that the Jewish Genocide is the most important event
> >>>of the ages and that it needs to be told repeatedly with as much
> >>>detail as possible and the more of it is the better.
>
> >>Well... that's the topic of the newsgroup, Genius.
>
> >>>Some of you think that it never happened.
>
> >>>That is a huge difference of opinion and it is not surprising that
> >>>emotions are pretty worked up over the "lies" of the other side. Well,
> >>>one person's lie is another person's truth and calling the other
> >>>person a liar makes as much sense as calling yourself a liar.
>
> >>>Have fun, use all the labels you can think of but less hate, please.
>
> >>And use foul language as long as your name is Cramer, right?
>
> >>>Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> >>--
> >>Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> >> -Lenny Bruce
>
> > I am afraid that you are missing my point. I have long given up on
> > civility and have you noticed that I never took offense at you calling
> > me an anonymous coward and some other names. I would hope that if you
> > play in this sandbox, you are a big enough girl to take a few hits.
> > You must forgive me form my humorous references to your picture but
> > you look so big and so angry on that picture and everybody on that
> > picture looks as if they were afraid of you. Why would you make a
> > picture like that public? Surely, you have better pictures than that.
> > Give yourself and everyone else a break and post a recent, much
> > smaller and less scary photo of yourself. My good friend Toni is so
> > scared of that picture that he even wrote me about it. Enough of that.
>
> Not quite yet. The only thing I 'wrote you about' was a public email
> about your direct reference to a poster's picture and her ancestors
> which, in fact, crossed the line AND created a discrepancy in your
> sermon. However, I now see that you relegate your action to "humorous
> references" [sic] and "innocent funning" [sic]. I wonder if that would
> fly if the situation had been reversed and Sara had done that to you or
> would you again be preaching and whining how below the belt such actions
> are and making with the public crying towel ... again.

You are taking too much or too little medication again. I do not blame
you but I do hold it against your handlers.

I never ever spoke about Sara's ancestors. Never even used that word.
Get it, my overmedicated friend?

I looked at a picture that obviously Sara put on the Internet and all
I saw was a very large, very angry woman with some people who looked
like her family and who looked scared. I made the obvious conclusion
that they were her husband and children and she was angry with them
for something. My other good friend, Sara informed me that she was
actually holding a picture of her ancestors and that it was not a
family picture. A very understandable mistake.

It is unfortunate that the picture had such lasting impact on you that
you are not able to get away from it. It is you, my friend that I am
concerned about. You must not be looking at Sara's picture and you
must get rid of all of the copies you have hidden under your bed. It
is not good for your state of mind.
>
> > None of that is hate, just innocent funning because you must know that
> > I do not harbor any hatred for you, do not wish you or your loved ones
> > any harm.
>
> > Calling some of you nice folks zionazis is no different from some of
> > you nice folks calling others antisemites, nazis, deniers,
> > revisionists and stuff like that. We all love labeling those we
> > disagree with.
>
> As you duly practice INCLUDING references that have nothing to do with
> theme and center on personal issues of the poster and their families or
> 'ancestors' ...

You just have to stop talking about Sara's ancestors. It is bed form
and you are crossing the line. I would chide you much more for being
so thoughtless but will spare you because of my concern for your
mental condition. Take a couple of sleeping pills and forget about all
this nonsense.
>
> > I really do not see what the fuss is. You complain
> > about being called something that you claim not to know what it is. Is
> > it not a bit disingenuous?
>
> > If you start with the notion that noting you or anyone else posts here
> > does make any difference but it is a good way to spend a few hours a
> > day then you will see my point. As my good friend Toni pointed out
> > bringing a personal tragedy here is crossing the line.
>
> But it seems that certain posters, yourself included, seem to live for
> the 'personal' side of Usenet for want of something to do or simply
> relishing that aspect of it, personal stuff, where in some cases and you
> are not the only one, 'unless' it's personal stuff regarding another
> poster or their family, the poster is rarely to be seen! That happens too.

Well, my dear and very disturbed friend, personal insults and stuff
are what this list is all about. Surely, you do not expect to get all
the pro-holo people just come out and say that they were lying to us
all along. Conversely, you do not expect all the anti-holo people come
out and say how sorry they are for doubting McVay's posts.

If you keep taking your medication, you can play also.
>
> Doc Tony

Your friend, Doc TurkeyBoy
> ;-)
>
>
>
> > Have a nice vegetarian day!




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On Sep 29, 1:33 am, Doc Tony  wrote:
> Sara Salzman wrote:
> > In article <13fqqq8ca7av...@corp.supernews.com>,
> >  Doc Tony  wrote:
>
> >>Sara Salzman wrote:
>
> >>>In article <13fq7t64vipk...@corp.supernews.com>,
> >>> Doc Tony  wrote:
>
> >>>>TurkeyBoy wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Sep 27, 11:59 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>
> >>>>>>In article <1190912022.953722.261...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>>>>>TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>I am not so stupid as to ask you folks to get along because I know
> >>>>>>>that it is not possible. I am not even going to ask you people not=
 to
> >>>>>>>use degrading terms for each other because I know that will not ha=
ppen
> >>>>>>>either.
>
> >>>>>>>I would like to ask you all not to hate each other because we do n=
ot
> >>>>>>>know each other well enough to hate. My estimate is that most of us
> >>>>>>>are of advanced age, retired and use this forum for entertainment.
>
> >>>>>>Well, you're wrong there.
>
> >>>>>>>What you need to think about is that if you only had people posting
> >>>>>>>who agreed with you, the list would die of inactivity.
>
> >>>>>>An interesting comment from someone who refuses to engage in debate.
>
> >>>>>>>Let us have controversy and some sparks but not hate.
>
> >>>>>>You mean like calling everyone who disagrees with you a zionazi?
>
> >>>>>>>Some of you think that the Jewish Genocide is the most important e=
vent
> >>>>>>>of the ages and that it needs to be told repeatedly with as much
> >>>>>>>detail as possible and the more of it is the better.
>
> >>>>>>Well... that's the topic of the newsgroup, Genius.
>
> >>>>>>>Some of you think that it never happened.
>
> >>>>>>>That is a huge difference of opinion and it is not surprising that
> >>>>>>>emotions are pretty worked up over the "lies" of the other side. W=
ell,
> >>>>>>>one person's lie is another person's truth and calling the other
> >>>>>>>person a liar makes as much sense as calling yourself a liar.
>
> >>>>>>>Have fun, use all the labels you can think of but less hate, pleas=
e=2E
>
> >>>>>>And use foul language as long as your name is Cramer, right?
>
> >>>>>>>Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> >>>>>>-Lenny Bruce
>
> >>>>>I am afraid that you are missing my point. I have long given up on
> >>>>>civility and have you noticed that I never took offense at you calli=
ng
> >>>>>me an anonymous coward and some other names. I would hope that if you
> >>>>>play in this sandbox, you are a big enough girl to take a few hits.
> >>>>>You must forgive me form my humorous references to your picture but
> >>>>>you look so big and so angry on that picture and everybody on that
> >>>>>picture looks as if they were afraid of you. Why would you make a
> >>>>>picture like that public? Surely, you have better pictures than that.
> >>>>>Give yourself and everyone else a break and post a recent, much
> >>>>>smaller and less scary photo of yourself. My good friend Toni is so
> >>>>>scared of that picture that he even wrote me about it. Enough of tha=
t=2E
>
> >>>>Not quite yet. The only thing I 'wrote you about' was a public email
> >>>>about your direct reference to a poster's picture and her ancestors
> >>>>which, in fact, crossed the line AND created a discrepancy in your
> >>>>sermon. However, I now see that you relegate your action to "humorous
> >>>>references" [sic] and "innocent funning" [sic]. I wonder if that would
> >>>>fly if the situation had been reversed and Sara had done that to you =
or
> >>>>would you again be preaching and whining how below the belt such acti=
ons
> >>>>are and making with the public crying towel ... again.
>
> >>>Thank you.
>
> >>>That is exactly the reason I have referred to Mr. "Turkey" as a
> >>>hypcrite. (Then, of course, we can always giggle at the fact that
> >>>"Turkey" [and Tommy and others] seem to think that a photograph from t=
he
> >>>1920s is me and my children. Remember Pat and Don and all their little
> >>>cronies complaining about the way "I cut my daughter's hair"? The pers=
on
> >>>they were referring to is my mother.)
>
> >>And as Psycho=AE DEM did with your father, Doc Salzman, and I got invol=
ved
> >>then too asking DEM the 'why' of it [and listing your father's many
> >>tomes available at Amazon [et al] and his international reputation as a
> >>highly respected psychiatrist not to mention his academic and
> >>experiential credentials nor, and that APA mag article on him, the 'wok'
> >>days and his love of oriental cooking. But then, TB or DEM, what
> >>difference! With DEM, if it wasn't your father, it was Ken McVay's
> >>ENTIRE family and that 'dossier' thing, with TB, the picture, your
> >>family, et al so when these types go off for whatever reasons, well,
> >>generally their own wares [read: drool] takes care of the rest -- the
> >>critical piece they always seem to miss. And it shows. But again, what
> >>else have they to do but focus on the personal and wallow in it! Me,
> >>I'll take a Fergus McClelland type of revisionist and stay with theme or
> >>at least a joust that doesn't degenerate into the juvenile league as the
> >>TurkeyBone=AE also relishes but appears quite satisfied to perpetuate.
> >>Good! That's the self perpetuating plan! Why even feed the thing when it
> >>simply comes natural to these types.
>
> >>Doc Tony
> >>;-)
>
> > Agreed. And Turkey's "explanation" is more pathetic than I could have
> > imagined even HE was capable of.
>
> > Of course, as I pointed out to Turkey (and to Cramer before him), that
> > photograph is posted without attribution AND without the permission of
> > the owner of it. Irving has it on his web site, but we all know how
> > little Irving respects the law.
>
> > And I'll even agree that back in the day, even Fergus was capable of a
> > reasoned conversation without the blatant hypocrisy of these newbies.
>
> Agree. Even the heightened banter or the on-theme joust was a higher
> class. I'm honestly convinced that there are times where you can into it
> with 'whatever' opponent and either on-theme or off where one of the
> poster's says if 'only' to 'themselves', Touch=E9, even though the barb or
> point made satirically "or otherwise" was 'detrimental' to their view.
>
> There are certain posters [BOTH sides] I'll watch who can present a
> clever or witty turn on a word or phrase in an equally clever and witty
> manner 'without' the ultra silliness or stupidity of the juvenile league
> crap 'nor' any need for the jugular for that matter or, worse, what they
> think may be the jugular but in fact high school bush league moldy-oldie
> routines. I always admired Stein's [Mike Stein] stuff who could be
> articulate yet  vary his stuff to the poster he was dealing with -- ol'
> Bo "Bo-Bo=AE" Warming comes to mind who became frustrated with Stein and
> it showed, badly, for Warming, and as Mike mopped the floor with the
> guy. It would be akin to Kurt 'alte Puppe=AE' Knoll claiming a public
> victory over German born Albrecht Kolthoff after Kurt announces his,
> shall we say, 'reasons' for saying 'I know that I am right!" Kurt's
> 'ear' notwithstanding.
>
> I also think some exchanges are so woefully lopsided that it's akin to
> charging the historically well informed and well read poster with
> 'premeditated' murder versus the poster whose obvious perspective is
> based on an agenda of both "It Never Happened=AE" + "All Jews OUT!" --
> think of an exchange on the Holocaust issues between Gord McFee let's
> say talking about his History.net [and copyrighted] NSDAP era translated
> speeches and NSDAP documents and 'Seance=AE' Morghus [!] waving his German
> dictionary and Duden in the air going on about those "alternative
> meanings and translations" [sic] or "of the time and era translations"
> [sic] where in 'every' single case without fail the German noun or verb
> specifically dealing with Jews leads to a "finding" of ... 'evacuation
> and resettlement' [sic] or those Morghus touted "Jewish special
> privileges" of , per Morghus, "special handling" and "treated
> accordingly" or Emil "Monocle Man=AE" M=FCller and his 'Sonderbehandlung'
> [special handling] as merely meaning "special accommodations for Jewish
> VIPs" [sic] or an Alex Vangel type! Absolutely no contest.
>
> Now me, well, since it is a 'given' that no minds are going to be
> changed here when the "It Never Happened=AE" crew COMBINED WITH "The Jews
> are our misfortune" ['Die Juden sind unser Ungl=FCck'] mantras are
> literally fixed in stone, as it were, well, all I do is take that
> alleged 'evidence' that is proffered by those who take that posture and
> dissect it satirically ... FWIW! In effect, the question is asked, WHAT
> do you have that 'convincingly' argues 'against' the majority consensus
> of the Holocaust and you see what shows up! Everything from "historical
> seances" [sic] to "Ball Bearings in a Box=AE" to "Some Island Somewhere=
=AE"
> to "All living happily and rich in the Bronx, USA" [sic -- Freedman] to
> "engaging in poetic license" [sic] NSDAP speeches and documents, the Joe
> Bellinger "Six Pack" 'defense' [!?], you know, "lying, faked, forged,
> exaggerated, witnesses threatened, tortured" or , Einsatzgruppen women
> and children victim allegedy, per Bellinger, "POSING" [sic], Eichmann
> "mouth twitch" [sic] 'proof'  of 'Mossad beatings and druggings' [sic] ,
> Eichmann himself and the 'Jew deal gone sour' [sic], and on and on and
> on right down to Sal "Tsunami=AE" Astucia and the Jews of 'today' engaging
> in "international weather control issues" [sic -- not to mention the
> 'Jews' be 'responsible', per Sal Astucia, for the 2004 Tsunami! ] to
> Crackpot=AE Freddy Berg and his "world revolution" [sic] targeting "Jews,
> Islamic types, CHRISTIANS, and crackpot revisionists who should be
> ashamed of themselves" [sic -- Berg] . It never ends, one more off the
> wall than the other! A satirist's paradise!
>
> And this too, for 'some', the idea of going O/T is simply an
> impossibility as they revert to their juvenile imbecilities forthwith
> like the TurkeyBone=AE informing Gord McFee, "TurkeyBoy so sorry you no
> spikee german" [sic] and other high school inanities yet wallows in it
> for reasons known only to him yet what comes out is the only 'testament'
> needed to validate the assessment that the guy is his own worst enemy.
> Ditto Psycho=AE DEM and the, inter alia, [9-11-01 and 7-7-05 in a Psycho=
=AE
> DEM bag by itself!], "Shylock" [!] LINK [!] to "Jewish vengefulness"
> [sic] --- SHYLOCK the guy uses as the 'historical reference' and alleged
> 'proof' along with the 'biological, cultural and scriptural' [sic] thing
> ! That and the ultimate peace plan for the Middle East how, per DEM,
> "Israel must be wiped from the face of the earth" -- and supposedly,
> ahhhh, once that is 'achieved', all will be well! [!] The Jews with it
> no doubt as they fight, as Wally-lad=AE [Waldo] the "anti-Semitist" [sic]
> puts it, "the eternal enemy of the Jew, the Goy." [sic] And so it goes!
>
> Doc Tony
> ;-)

My poor friend, Tony. You should limit yourself to only one post a day
and only one or two paragraphs because anything else is murder on your
delicate mind. Look what you did to yourself. It is so hard to tell if
it your monkeys playing with your keyboard or in your confused head.
You should not do this to yourself.

Your obsession with Sara's photo is getting worse. Stop looking at it!
Are you taking your medication? I would recommend increasing the
dose.

Your very concerned friend,

Doc TurkeyBoy

>
> "No, I myself am not an anti-Semite, I just don't like Jews!" [sic --
> Kurt Knoll. Even in Kurt's befuddled 'Kopf' [head], the remark rings
> true although it is often rather poorly and embarrassingly so attempted
> to be 'disguised' [!] ]
>
> "How many times must I tell you this, Mr. Ragland, I am not an
> anti-Semite! I am an anti-Semitist!" [sic -- Wally-lad=AE [Waldo] ]
>
> Right. And neither is Kurt an 'anti-Semite', right? And his publicly
> admitted 25% Jewish 'Mischlinge' status "Mein Urgro=DFeltern waren Juden!"
> [sic--Kurt Knoll -- 'My great-grandparesnts were Jews!' ] notwithstanding.
>
> ;-)
>
> >>>>>None of that is hate, just innocent funning because you must know th=
at
> >>>>>I do not harbor any hatred for you, do not wish you or your loved on=
es
> >>>>>any harm.
>
> >>>>>Calling some of you nice folks zionazis is no different from some of
> >>>>>you nice folks calling others antisemites, nazis, deniers,
> >>>>>revisionists and stuff like that. We all love labeling those we
> >>>>>disagree with.
>
> >>>>As you duly practice INCLUDING references that have nothing to do with
> >>>>theme and center on personal issues of the poster and their families =
or
> >>>>'ancestors' ...
>
> >>>>>I really do not see what the fuss is. You complain
> >>>>>about being called something that you claim not to know what it is. =
Is
> >>>>>it not a bit disingenuous?
>
> >>>>>If you start with the notion that noting you or anyone else posts he=
re
> >>>>>does make any difference but it is a good way to spend a few hours a
> >>>>>day then you will see my point. As my good friend Toni pointed out
> >>>>>bringing a personal tragedy here is crossing the line.
>
> >>>>But it seems that certain posters, yourself included, seem to live for
> >>>>the 'personal' side of Usenet for want of something to do or simply
> >>>>relishing that aspect of it, personal stuff, where in some cases and =
you
> >>>>are not the only one, 'unless' it's personal stuff regarding another
> >>>>poster or their family, the poster is rarely to be seen! That happens=
 too.
>
> >>>>Doc Tony
> >>>>;-)
>
> >>>>>Have a nice vegetarian day!




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On Sep 28, 10:59 pm, Doc Tony  wrote:



My poor friend, Tony. You should limit yourself to only one post a day
and only one or two paragraphs because anything else is murder on your
delicate mind. Look what you did to yourself. It is so hard to tell if
it your monkeys playing with your keyboard or in your confused head.
You should not do this to yourself.

Your obsession with Sara's photo is getting worse. Are you taking your
medication? I would recommend increasing the dose.

Your very concerned friend,

Doc TurkeyBoy





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On Sep 28, 11:32 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1191003196.505050.53...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, Doc Tony  wrote:
> > > TurkeyBoy wrote:
> > > > On Sep 27, 11:59 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>
> > > >>In article <1190912022.953722.261...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > >> TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > >>>I am not so stupid as to ask you folks to get along because I know
> > > >>>that it is not possible. I am not even going to ask you people not to
> > > >>>use degrading terms for each other because I know that will not happen
> > > >>>either.
>
> > > >>>I would like to ask you all not to hate each other because we do not
> > > >>>know each other well enough to hate. My estimate is that most of us
> > > >>>are of advanced age, retired and use this forum for entertainment.
>
> > > >>Well, you're wrong there.
>
> > > >>>What you need to think about is that if you only had people posting
> > > >>>who agreed with you, the list would die of inactivity.
>
> > > >>An interesting comment from someone who refuses to engage in debate.
>
> > > >>>Let us have controversy and some sparks but not hate.
>
> > > >>You mean like calling everyone who disagrees with you a zionazi?
>
> > > >>>Some of you think that the Jewish Genocide is the most important event
> > > >>>of the ages and that it needs to be told repeatedly with as much
> > > >>>detail as possible and the more of it is the better.
>
> > > >>Well... that's the topic of the newsgroup, Genius.
>
> > > >>>Some of you think that it never happened.
>
> > > >>>That is a huge difference of opinion and it is not surprising that
> > > >>>emotions are pretty worked up over the "lies" of the other side. Well,
> > > >>>one person's lie is another person's truth and calling the other
> > > >>>person a liar makes as much sense as calling yourself a liar.
>
> > > >>>Have fun, use all the labels you can think of but less hate, please.
>
> > > >>And use foul language as long as your name is Cramer, right?
>
> > > >>>Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> > > >>--
> > > >>Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> > > >> -Lenny Bruce
>
> > > > I am afraid that you are missing my point. I have long given up on
> > > > civility and have you noticed that I never took offense at you calling
> > > > me an anonymous coward and some other names. I would hope that if you
> > > > play in this sandbox, you are a big enough girl to take a few hits.
> > > > You must forgive me form my humorous references to your picture but
> > > > you look so big and so angry on that picture and everybody on that
> > > > picture looks as if they were afraid of you. Why would you make a
> > > > picture like that public? Surely, you have better pictures than that.
> > > > Give yourself and everyone else a break and post a recent, much
> > > > smaller and less scary photo of yourself. My good friend Toni is so
> > > > scared of that picture that he even wrote me about it. Enough of that.
>
> > > Not quite yet. The only thing I 'wrote you about' was a public email
> > > about your direct reference to a poster's picture and her ancestors
> > > which, in fact, crossed the line AND created a discrepancy in your
> > > sermon. However, I now see that you relegate your action to "humorous
> > > references" [sic] and "innocent funning" [sic]. I wonder if that would
> > > fly if the situation had been reversed and Sara had done that to you or
> > > would you again be preaching and whining how below the belt such actions
> > > are and making with the public crying towel ... again.
>
> > You are taking too much or too little medication again. I do not blame
> > you but I do hold it against your handlers.
>
> > I never ever spoke about Sara's ancestors. Never even used that word.
> > Get it, my overmedicated friend?
>
> > I looked at a picture that obviously Sara put on the Internet and all
>
> Gee -- once again you're wrong. I never put that picture on the
> Internet, Turkey. In fact, that picture is owned by Westword magazine in
> Denver. And everyone who has posted it is guilty of a copyright
> violation for posting it without permission of Westword.

Sorry, my big and angry friend, but unless the picture was stolen from
you, you had something to do with it being published.

Maybe our very good mutual friend Toni stole it? Shame on him!

> That picture was taken, many years ago, in conjunction with an article
> about the harassment I've faced online from ignorant slugs who act like
> your friend Cramer.
>
> So your "obviously" ... is obviously WRONG.

No!

> > I saw was a very large, very angry woman with some people who looked
> > like her family and who looked scared.
>
> They may have looked scared (they don't) because it's their IMMIGRATION
> photo, and they've just left a rather unpleasant world in Poland. Of
> course, you never even bothered to look closely at the picture. You just
> used it as an excuse to make a very personal attack against me.

That is hard to believe. The Polish people were always nice to me.
They have a tradition of courage and standing for freedom and they
have suffered much from the German Nazis and Stalin's Jewish
Communists. I like their integrity, culture, music and food.

However, I did not study the picture that much and just assumed that
it was a family picture with your husband and children. You looked
angry and they looked scared. I made a little mistake only because I
assumed the obvious that it was a family picture.

I am not the one who keeps bringing up the picture. Talk to our friend
Toni about his obsession with it.

> >I made the obvious conclusion
> > that they were her husband and children and she was angry with them
> > for something. My other good friend, Sara informed me that she was
> > actually holding a picture of her ancestors and that it was not a
> > family picture. A very understandable mistake.
>
> Only for a very stupid person. The picture I was holding is more than 70
> years old. The clothing is different, any idiot with a firing neuron
> would have noticed that the photo is "archival."

I made a mistake about who else is on the picture besides you. Big
deal! I did not make a mistake about you looking very big and very
angry. Right?

> > It is unfortunate that the picture had such lasting impact on you that
> > you are not able to get away from it. It is you, my friend that I am
> > concerned about. You must not be looking at Sara's picture and you
> > must get rid of all of the copies you have hidden under your bed. It
> > is not good for your state of mind.
>
> > > > None of that is hate, just innocent funning because you must know that
> > > > I do not harbor any hatred for you, do not wish you or your loved ones
> > > > any harm.
>
> > > > Calling some of you nice folks zionazis is no different from some of
> > > > you nice folks calling others antisemites, nazis, deniers,
> > > > revisionists and stuff like that. We all love labeling those we
> > > > disagree with.
>
> > > As you duly practice INCLUDING references that have nothing to do with
> > > theme and center on personal issues of the poster and their families or
> > > 'ancestors' ...
>
> > You just have to stop talking about Sara's ancestors. It is bed form
> > and you are crossing the line. I would chide you much more for being
> > so thoughtless but will spare you because of my concern for your
> > mental condition. Take a couple of sleeping pills and forget about all
> > this nonsense.
>
> You are a very, very sick man.

You must mean our friend Toni.
>
> > > > I really do not see what the fuss is. You complain
> > > > about being called something that you claim not to know what it is. Is
> > > > it not a bit disingenuous?
>
> > > > If you start with the notion that noting you or anyone else posts here
> > > > does make any difference but it is a good way to spend a few hours a
> > > > day then you will see my point. As my good friend Toni pointed out
> > > > bringing a personal tragedy here is crossing the line.
>
> > > But it seems that certain posters, yourself included, seem to live for
> > > the 'personal' side of Usenet for want of something to do or simply
> > > relishing that aspect of it, personal stuff, where in some cases and you
> > > are not the only one, 'unless' it's personal stuff regarding another
> > > poster or their family, the poster is rarely to be seen! That happens too.
>
> > Well, my dear and very disturbed friend, personal insults and stuff
> > are what this list is all about. Surely, you do not expect to get all
> > the pro-holo people just come out and say that they were lying to us
> > all along. Conversely, you do not expect all the anti-holo people come
> > out and say how sorry they are for doubting McVay's posts.
>
> > If you keep taking your medication, you can play also.
>
> > > Doc Tony
>
> > Your friend, Doc TurkeyBoy
> > > ;-)
>
> > > > Have a nice vegetarian day!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.history
Subject: Re: Skullduggery in History v 2
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Every occasionally I see a topic and a debate that seems interesting
only to find that the likes of Jacobson and Warren run it into the
ground with their mindless one-liners.

Holman is good but so is Waldo and it would be interesting to see how
they argue a controversial topic but it is impossible with these
around. It reminds one of two lions going at each other while a pack
of hyenas keeps nipping at one of them. The one being harassed by the
pack of hyenas is sure to get distracted eventually. Are these
zionazis so afraid of a debate that they have to resort to tactics
like this?

Have a nice vegetarian day!



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Occasionally I see a topic and a debate that seems interesting only to
find that the likes of Jacobson and Warren run it into the ground with
their mindless one-liners.

Holman is good but so is Waldo and it would be interesting to see how
they argue a controversial topic but it is impossible with these
around. It reminds one of two lions going at each other while a pack
of hyenas keeps nipping at one of them. The one being harassed by the
pack of hyenas is sure to get distracted eventually. Are these
zionazis so afraid of a debate that they have to resort to tactics
like this?

Have a nice vegetarian day!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.history
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On Sep 29, 9:50 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1191052047.200796.298070@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Every occasionally
>
> I will ask you again... Why are you so childish?

Not another one-liner!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Re: Skullduggery in History v 2
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On Sep 29, 10:37 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1191054207.166545.244170@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 29, 9:50 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> >> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:1191052047.200796.298070@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Every occasionally
>
> >> I will ask you again... Why are you so childish?
>
> > Not another one-liner!
>
> Too stupid to answer the question, I see.


Why should anyone answer any zionazi questions?

As soon as you answer a zionazi question, the zionazi comes back
asking the same question you just answered. It seems that zionazis can
do that repeatedly until anyone gullible enough to have tried to
answer a zionazi's question is exhausted.

After you get tired of going around in circles with the zionazi asking
the same question repeatedly and ignoring your responses, the zionazi
will declare victory.

That is the zionazi way.

Did anyone notice that zionazis only ask questions but never answer
them?

Have a nice zionazi day!




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On Sep 29, 3:43 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1191046342.199895.165...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 11:32 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> > > In article <1191003196.505050.53...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > > > On Sep 28, 5:37 pm, Doc Tony  wrote:
> > > > > TurkeyBoy wrote:
> > > > > > On Sep 27, 11:59 pm, Sara Salzman  wro=
te:
>
> > > > > >>In article <1190912022.953722.261...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.c=
om>,
>
> > > > > >> TurkeyBoy  wrote:
>
> > > > > >>>I am not so stupid as to ask you folks to get along because I =
know
> > > > > >>>that it is not possible. I am not even going to ask you people=
 not
> > > > > >>>to
> > > > > >>>use degrading terms for each other because I know that will not
> > > > > >>>happen
> > > > > >>>either.
>
> > > > > >>>I would like to ask you all not to hate each other because we =
do not
> > > > > >>>know each other well enough to hate. My estimate is that most =
of us
> > > > > >>>are of advanced age, retired and use this forum for entertainm=
ent.
>
> > > > > >>Well, you're wrong there.
>
> > > > > >>>What you need to think about is that if you only had people po=
sting
> > > > > >>>who agreed with you, the list would die of inactivity.
>
> > > > > >>An interesting comment from someone who refuses to engage in de=
bate.
>
> > > > > >>>Let us have controversy and some sparks but not hate.
>
> > > > > >>You mean like calling everyone who disagrees with you a zionazi?
>
> > > > > >>>Some of you think that the Jewish Genocide is the most importa=
nt
> > > > > >>>event
> > > > > >>>of the ages and that it needs to be told repeatedly with as mu=
ch
> > > > > >>>detail as possible and the more of it is the better.
>
> > > > > >>Well... that's the topic of the newsgroup, Genius.
>
> > > > > >>>Some of you think that it never happened.
>
> > > > > >>>That is a huge difference of opinion and it is not surprising =
that
> > > > > >>>emotions are pretty worked up over the "lies" of the other sid=
e=2E
> > > > > >>>Well,
> > > > > >>>one person's lie is another person's truth and calling the oth=
er
> > > > > >>>person a liar makes as much sense as calling yourself a liar.
>
> > > > > >>>Have fun, use all the labels you can think of but less hate, p=
lease.
>
> > > > > >>And use foul language as long as your name is Cramer, right?
>
> > > > > >>>Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> > > > > >>--
> > > > > >>Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> > > > > >> -Lenny Bruce
>
> > > > > > I am afraid that you are missing my point. I have long given up=
 on
> > > > > > civility and have you noticed that I never took offense at you
> > > > > > calling
> > > > > > me an anonymous coward and some other names. I would hope that =
if you
> > > > > > play in this sandbox, you are a big enough girl to take a few h=
its.
> > > > > > You must forgive me form my humorous references to your picture=
 but
> > > > > > you look so big and so angry on that picture and everybody on t=
hat
> > > > > > picture looks as if they were afraid of you. Why would you make=
 a
> > > > > > picture like that public? Surely, you have better pictures than=
 that.
> > > > > > Give yourself and everyone else a break and post a recent, much
> > > > > > smaller and less scary photo of yourself. My good friend Toni i=
s so
> > > > > > scared of that picture that he even wrote me about it. Enough of
> > > > > > that.
>
> > > > > Not quite yet. The only thing I 'wrote you about' was a public em=
ail
> > > > > about your direct reference to a poster's picture and her ancesto=
rs
> > > > > which, in fact, crossed the line AND created a discrepancy in your
> > > > > sermon. However, I now see that you relegate your action to "humo=
rous
> > > > > references" [sic] and "innocent funning" [sic]. I wonder if that =
would
> > > > > fly if the situation had been reversed and Sara had done that to =
you or
> > > > > would you again be preaching and whining how below the belt such
> > > > > actions
> > > > > are and making with the public crying towel ... again.
>
> > > > You are taking too much or too little medication again. I do not bl=
ame
> > > > you but I do hold it against your handlers.
>
> > > > I never ever spoke about Sara's ancestors. Never even used that wor=
d=2E
> > > > Get it, my overmedicated friend?
>
> > > > I looked at a picture that obviously Sara put on the Internet and a=
ll
>
> > > Gee -- once again you're wrong. I never put that picture on the
> > > Internet, Turkey. In fact, that picture is owned by Westword magazine=
 in
> > > Denver. And everyone who has posted it is guilty of a copyright
> > > violation for posting it without permission of Westword.
>
> > Sorry, my big and angry friend, but unless the picture was stolen from
> > you, you had something to do with it being published.
>
> Liar.

Why are you so angry my super sized friend?
>
> Apparently this is too complicated for you to understand:
>
> The picture was published in a newspaper. Someone (David Irving, for
> one) reproduced it on the web without permission.

Who gave your photo to the newspaper?
Did they steal it from you?
Did you give it to them?
>
> Why must you lie?

Well, why must you?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Maybe our very good mutual friend Toni stole it? Shame on him!
>
> > > That picture was taken, many years ago, in conjunction with an article
> > > about the harassment I've faced online from ignorant slugs who act li=
ke
> > > your friend Cramer.
>
> > > So your "obviously" ... is obviously WRONG.
>
> > No!
>
> > > > I saw was a very large, very angry woman with some people who looked
> > > > like her family and who looked scared.
>
> > > They may have looked scared (they don't) because it's their IMMIGRATI=
ON
> > > photo, and they've just left a rather unpleasant world in Poland. Of
> > > course, you never even bothered to look closely at the picture. You j=
ust
> > > used it as an excuse to make a very personal attack against me.
>
> > That is hard to believe. The Polish people were always nice to me.
> > They have a tradition of courage and standing for freedom and they
> > have suffered much from the German Nazis and Stalin's Jewish
> > Communists. I like their integrity, culture, music and food.
>
> > However, I did not study the picture that much and just assumed that
> > it was a family picture with your husband and children. You looked
> > angry and they looked scared. I made a little mistake only because I
> > assumed the obvious that it was a family picture.
>
> > I am not the one who keeps bringing up the picture. Talk to our friend
> > Toni about his obsession with it.
>
> > > >I made the obvious conclusion
> > > > that they were her husband and children and she was angry with them
> > > > for something. My other good friend, Sara informed me that she was
> > > > actually holding a picture of her ancestors and that it was not a
> > > > family picture. A very understandable mistake.
>
> > > Only for a very stupid person. The picture I was holding is more than=
 70
> > > years old. The clothing is different, any idiot with a firing neuron
> > > would have noticed that the photo is "archival."
>
> > I made a mistake about who else is on the picture besides you. Big
> > deal! I did not make a mistake about you looking very big and very
> > angry. Right?
>
> > > > It is unfortunate that the picture had such lasting impact on you t=
hat
> > > > you are not able to get away from it. It is you, my friend that I am
> > > > concerned about. You must not be looking at Sara's picture and you
> > > > must get rid of all of the copies you have hidden under your bed. It
> > > > is not good for your state of mind.
>
> > > > > > None of that is hate, just innocent funning because you must kn=
ow
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > I do not harbor any hatred for you, do not wish you or your lov=
ed
> > > > > > ones
> > > > > > any harm.
>
> > > > > > Calling some of you nice folks zionazis is no different from so=
me of
> > > > > > you nice folks calling others antisemites, nazis, deniers,
> > > > > > revisionists and stuff like that. We all love labeling those we
> > > > > > disagree with.
>
> > > > > As you duly practice INCLUDING references that have nothing to do=
 with
> > > > > theme and center on personal issues of the poster and their famil=
ies or
> > > > > 'ancestors' ...
>
> > > > You just have to stop talking about Sara's ancestors. It is bed form
> > > > and you are crossing the line. I would chide you much more for being
> > > > so thoughtless but will spare you because of my concern for your
> > > > mental condition. Take a couple of sleeping pills and forget about =
all
> > > > this nonsense.
>
> > > You are a very, very sick man.
>
> > You must mean our friend Toni.
>
> > > > > > I really do not see what the fuss is. You complain
> > > > > > about being called something that you claim not to know what it=
 is.
> > > > > > Is
> > > > > > it not a bit disingenuous?
>
> > > > > > If you start with the notion that noting you or anyone else pos=
ts
> > > > > > here
> > > > > > does make any difference but it is a good way to spend a few ho=
urs a
> > > > > > day then you will see my point. As my good friend Toni pointed =
out
> > > > > > bringing a personal tragedy here is crossing the line.
>
> > > > > But it seems that certain posters, yourself included, seem to liv=
e for
> > > > > the 'personal' side of Usenet for want of something to do or simp=
ly
> > > > > relishing that aspect of it, personal stuff, where in some cases =
and
> > > > > you
> > > > > are not the only one, 'unless' it's personal stuff regarding anot=
her
> > > > > poster or their family, the poster is rarely to be seen! That hap=
pens
> > > > > too.
>
> > > > Well, my dear and very disturbed friend, personal insults and stuff
> > > > are what this list is all about. Surely, you do not expect to get a=
ll
> > > > the pro-holo people just come out and say that they were lying to us
> > > > all along. Conversely, you do not expect all the anti-holo people c=
ome
> > > > out and say how sorry they are for doubting McVay's posts.
>
> > > > If you keep taking your medication, you can play also.
>
> > > > > Doc Tony
>
> > > > Your friend, Doc TurkeyBoy
> > > > > ;-)
>
> > > > > > Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
> --
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>  -Lenny
> ...
>
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From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:42 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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On Sep 29, 11:15 pm, "Neil Harrington"  wrote:
> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1191052202.424845.214660@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Occasionally I see a topic and a debate that seems interesting only to
> > find that the likes of Jacobson and Warren run it into the ground with
> > their mindless one-liners.
>
> I have killfiled both and strongly recommend doing so -- though it's hard
> with Jacobson who appears under various other names, probably because he
> realizes he's the kind of ignorant slug no one wants to read anything from.
> But anyway, plonking both of them and deleting all their posts enormously
> improves the tone and quality of the newsgroup, in addition to saving much
> otherwise wasted bandwidth.
>
> Neil

I use Google and it has no blocking option. I try to ignore these
clown but they clutter up a good debate.

Can you recommend a newsreader that can block these?

Thanks!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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On Sep 29, 8:12 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1191078314.401030.170...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:

> > > > Sorry, my big and angry friend, but unless the picture was stolen from
> > > > you, you had something to do with it being published.
>
> > > Liar.
>
> > Why are you so angry my super sized friend?
>
> > > Apparently this is too complicated for you to understand:
>
> > > The picture was published in a newspaper. Someone (David Irving, for
> > > one) reproduced it on the web without permission.
>
> > Who gave your photo to the newspaper?
> > Did they steal it from you?
> > Did you give it to them?
>
> Obviously, you have serious reading comprehension problems, since this
> was already explained. THE NEWSPAPER TOOK THE PHOTO to run with a story
> about me. THEY TOOK IT. Therefore, it is their property. Not public
> domain, not mine.

THEY TOOK IT?

Was it with or without you permission?
>
> > > Why must you lie?
>
> > Well, why must you?
>
> Ah, but there's the difference, hypocritical liar. I don't. You do,
> continuously.

No need to get so angry my super sized friend. I am just trying to
establish how your picture got into public domain.

Did the newspapaer people break into your home and TOOK your picture?
Did you give it to them?
Did they steal it from you?

These are very easy questions to answer but you seem to have a real
problem here. Why?

Have a why must you lie day!



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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: Don't you just love it when people throw zionazi hypocrisy right back in their faces? - Re: Holocaust Calendar: September 30
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On Sep 30, 6:05 am, Ken McVay  wrote:



Don't you just love it when people throw zionazi hypocrisy right back
in their faces?

WATERTOWN, MA - The Watertown, Massachusetts Town Council voted
unanimously this evening to cut ties with the Anti-Defamation League,
citing concerns about ADL National Director Abraham Foxman's denial of
the Armenian Genocide and opposition to Congressional legislation
reaffirming that crime against humanity, reported the Armenian
National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts (ANCEM).

Watertown did right to kick out the Armenian Holocaust denier racist
ADL scumbags.

One could compare the revulsion of Watertown, Massachusetts Armenians
for the zionazi Armenian Holocaust denier ADL posturing against hate
in their town while promoting hate against the Armenians to the
revulsion of Skokie, Illinois Jews to the so called Nazis who planned
to march through their Jewish neighborhood.

One could but one would be wrong. While the Armenians had every reason
to object to the Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags, the Jews of
Skokie, Illinois were part of a monumental hoax perpetrated by one of
their own. The so-called Nazi leader was in fact a Jew.  His real name
is Joseph Cohen, born on Nov 3, 1944 in Chicago, conceived in Feb of
1943 in Dachau concentration camp (According to his father).

The zionazi hoax worked. There were countless anti Nazi demonstrations
against a Nazi who was a Jew and whose only game was holohustlering.

 http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm

The zionazi is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
A zionazi has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either.

Have a nice Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags holohustlering
day!





From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:43 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
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Subject: You complain about insults that in some rough circles might not raise an eyebrow while your zionazi camp spews out the vilest and disgusting filth imaginable - Re: Cramer Report 9/29
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On Sep 30, 4:05 am, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> He's been having a rather repetitive day....
>
> fat slag
> fat slag
> fuckwit
> turds like you
> poofess
> fat slag
> you lying old turd
> you stupid old turd
> kiwikunt
> deceitful fat slag
> dumbkuntdoodoo
> faggottess
> troughie
> stupid little oik
> faggottess
> twatty
> silly little twat
> fat slag
> the keenan turd
> fat slag
> you silly old fart
> you silly old toss
> Fuckwit
> yid poofess
> twatty
> stinky yids
> deceitful little oik
> these arseholes
> you arseholes
> fat slag
> fat slag
>
> --
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>  -Lenny Bruce

If you add up every one of Cramer's choice labels for you and your
friends and multiply them by a thousand times, they do not even come
close to the hate and vile oozing from the zionazi side. The reference
to his son was just so slimy and you trying to equate that to my
comments about your photo are even slimier. However, I find that posts
like these are much too frequent for me to find any fault with
Cramer's sometimes crude and sometime humorous (deceitful little oik)
and slightly offensive comments. One below is a perfect example of
zionazi sensitivity:

-----------------------------
 On Sep 29, 11:55 am, xxa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> I PULL MY DICK FROM MY TROUSER OPEN YOUR MOUTH CRAMER!
-----------------------------

President Truman said it best "...The Jews have no sense of
proportion..."

You complain about insults that in some rough circles might not raise
an eyebrow while your zionazi camp spews out the vilest and disgusting
filth imaginable.

Get a grip!

Have a no sense of proportion zionazi day!






From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:43 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish,misc.legal
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On Sep 30, 10:45 am, Deadrat  wrote:
> TurkeyBoy  wrote in news:1191130328.526515.212160@
> 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 6:05 am, Ken McVay  wrote:
>
> > 
>
> > Don't you just love it when people throw zionazi hypocrisy right back
> > in their faces?
>
> > WATERTOWN, MA - The Watertown, Massachusetts Town Council voted
> > unanimously this evening to cut ties with the Anti-Defamation League,
> > citing concerns about ADL National Director Abraham Foxman's denial of
> > the Armenian Genocide and opposition to Congressional legislation
> > reaffirming that crime against humanity, reported the Armenian
> > National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts (ANCEM).
>
> > Watertown did right to kick out the Armenian Holocaust denier racist
> > ADL scumbags.
>
> > One could compare the revulsion of Watertown, Massachusetts Armenians
> > for the zionazi Armenian Holocaust denier ADL posturing against hate
> > in their town while promoting hate against the Armenians to the
> > revulsion of Skokie, Illinois Jews to the so called Nazis who planned
> > to march through their Jewish neighborhood.
>
> > One could but one would be wrong. While the Armenians had every reason
> > to object to the Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags, the Jews of
> > Skokie, Illinois were part of a monumental hoax perpetrated by one of
> > their own. The so-called Nazi leader was in fact a Jew.  His real name
> > is Joseph Cohen, born on Nov 3, 1944 in Chicago, conceived in Feb of
> > 1943 in Dachau concentration camp (According to his father).
>
> > The zionazi hoax worked. There were countless anti Nazi demonstrations
> > against a Nazi who was a Jew and whose only game was holohustlering.
>
> >  http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm
>
> > The zionazi is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
> > A zionazi has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either.
>
> > Have a nice Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags holohustlering
> > day!
>
> From The Boston Globe, 8/22/07
>
> "We have never negated but have always described the painful events of
> 1915-1918 perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire against Armenians as
> massacres and atrocities," Foxman said in a written statement yesterday.
> But upon reflection, Foxman continued, "the consequences of those actions
> were indeed tantamount to genocide."
>
> Oops!  Hope that doesn't ruin your day.

Not at all. However, he made this statement only after his
organization was severely criticized and kicked out of three US
cities' human rights campaign. The ADL will continue to be condemned
for opposing the Armenian Genocide resolution in US Congress.

It is the height of zionazi ADL hypocrisy to reluctantly change its
position on the Armenian Genocide but still continue to oppose the
Armenian Genocide resolution,

Have a nice vegetarian day!





From ataturkey@hotmail.com Mon Oct  8 19:25:43 EDT 2007
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From:  TurkeyBoy 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish,misc.legal
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On Sep 30, 11:15 am, Deadrat  wrote:
> TurkeyBoy  wrote innews:1191143055.521163.204200@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 10:45 am, Deadrat  wrote:
> >> TurkeyBoy  wrote in
> >> news:1191130328.526515.212160@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Sep 30, 6:05 am, Ken McVay  wrote:
>
> >> > 
>
> >> > Don't you just love it when people throw zionazi hypocrisy right
> >> > back in their faces?
>
> >> > WATERTOWN, MA - The Watertown, Massachusetts Town Council voted
> >> > unanimously this evening to cut ties with the Anti-Defamation
> >> > League, citing concerns about ADL National Director Abraham
> >> > Foxman's denial of the Armenian Genocide and opposition to
> >> > Congressional legislation reaffirming that crime against humanity,
> >> > reported the Armenian National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts
> >> > (ANCEM).
>
> >> > Watertown did right to kick out the Armenian Holocaust denier
> >> > racist ADL scumbags.
>
> >> > One could compare the revulsion of Watertown, Massachusetts
> >> > Armenians for the zionazi Armenian Holocaust denier ADL posturing
> >> > against hate in their town while promoting hate against the
> >> > Armenians to the revulsion of Skokie, Illinois Jews to the so
> >> > called Nazis who planned to march through their Jewish
> >> > neighborhood.
>
> >> > One could but one would be wrong. While the Armenians had every
> >> > reason to object to the Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags, the
> >> > Jews of Skokie, Illinois were part of a monumental hoax perpetrated
> >> > by one of their own. The so-called Nazi leader was in fact a Jew.
> >> > His real name is Joseph Cohen, born on Nov 3, 1944 in Chicago,
> >> > conceived in Feb of 1943 in Dachau concentration camp (According to
> >> > his father).
>
> >> > The zionazi hoax worked. There were countless anti Nazi
> >> > demonstrations against a Nazi who was a Jew and whose only game was
> >> > holohustlering.
>
> >> >  http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm
>
> >> > The zionazi is immune to refutation from either facts or logic.
> >> > A zionazi has chosen to live in hatred, without regard to either.
>
> >> > Have a nice Armenian Holocaust denier ADL scumbags holohustlering
> >> > day!
>
> >> From The Boston Globe, 8/22/07
>
> >> "We have never negated but have always described the painful events
> >> of 1915-1918 perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire against Armenians as
> >> massacres and atrocities," Foxman said in a written statement
> >> yesterday. But upon reflection, Foxman continued, "the consequences
> >> of those actions were indeed tantamount to genocide."
>
> >> Oops!  Hope that doesn't ruin your day.
>
> > Not at all. However, he made this statement only after his
> > organization was severely criticized
>
> Those goddam Jews from the ADL!  What nerve!  They were criticized for
> their position, and they changed it.  What are they tyring to pull?
>
> > and kicked out of three US
> > cities' human rights campaign. The ADL will continue to be condemned
> > for opposing the Armenian Genocide resolution in US Congress.
>
> > It is the height of zionazi ADL hypocrisy
>
> How about removing the beam from your eye, Mr. "zionazi"?
>
> > to reluctantly change its
> > position on the Armenian Genocide but still continue to oppose the
> > Armenian Genocide resolution,
>
> Those goddam Jews from the ADL!  What nerve!  They were criticized for
> their position, and they refused to change it.  What are they trying to
> pull?
>
> I'd say you get to feed your antisemitic fix, no matter what the ADL
> does, eh?
>
> Big surprise.
>
> (As a tactical matter, the ADL has said that such a resolution -- a
> wholly symbolic gesture that can make no difference to any wronged
> Armenian -- is a bad idea, in that it will harden the Turkish position
> and make reconciliation more difficult.)

The zionazi ADL is a racist bigoted organization that cares nothing
about human rights. Opposing the Armenian Genocide resolution is
proves that.

These racist bigoted zionazi ADL has no place in any human rights
campaign.

Have a nice zionazi day!



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On Sep 30, 2:33 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article <1191130036.930615.118...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > On Sep 29, 8:12 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> > > In article <1191078314.401030.170...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> > 
> > > > > > Sorry, my big and angry friend, but unless the picture was stolen from
> > > > > > you, you had something to do with it being published.
>
> > > > > Liar.
>
> > > > Why are you so angry my super sized friend?
>
> > > > > Apparently this is too complicated for you to understand:
>
> > > > > The picture was published in a newspaper. Someone (David Irving, for
> > > > > one) reproduced it on the web without permission.
>
> > > > Who gave your photo to the newspaper?
> > > > Did they steal it from you?
> > > > Did you give it to them?
>
> > > Obviously, you have serious reading comprehension problems, since this
> > > was already explained. THE NEWSPAPER TOOK THE PHOTO to run with a story
> > > about me. THEY TOOK IT. Therefore, it is their property. Not public
> > > domain, not mine.
>
> > THEY TOOK IT?
>
> > Was it with or without you permission?
>
> > > > > Why must you lie?
>
> > > > Well, why must you?
>
> > > Ah, but there's the difference, hypocritical liar. I don't. You do,
> > > continuously.
>
> > No need to get so angry my super sized friend. I am just trying to
> > establish how your picture got into public domain.
>
> > Did the newspapaer people break into your home and TOOK your picture?
> > Did you give it to them?
> > Did they steal it from you?
>
> > These are very easy questions to answer but you seem to have a real
> > problem here. Why?
>
> > Have a why must you lie day!
>
> You poor man. Apparently you have serious comprehension problems, and I
> must say, I'm beginning to understand why. You obviously have some kind
> of serious brain dysfunction, and since I make it a point never to
> trouble the handicapped, I will try and go easier on you from this point
> forward.
>
> So let me try and explain this in words of very few syllables. That may
> help. I also suggest you read it out loud, since you may be an audio
> learner:
>
> The paper wrote a story about me.
> The story needed a photo.
> The paper took a photo.

I want to assure you that I do not take offense at your insults
because I may not be so smart but not so stupid as to have my picture
put on the Internet.

You did a lot of rambling but still failed to answer my questions
directly because if you did, your whole case would crumble.

Well now, the paper took a photo :-)

Did they have your permission to take the photo?
Did they steal your photo?

For someone as smart as you, you sure have a hard time answering a few
simple questions.

I feel so sorry for you for having to make you face up to the simple
fact that you gave your photo to the newspaper with full knowledge
that it would appear on the Internet. Knowing that you are a very
controversial person who regularly insults people, I have to question
your judgment of giving the newspaper such an unflattering picture of
yourself. Do you ever use your head, my poor girl?

Go ahead and dance around but I would recommend not to hurt yourself
because of your problems.

Have a nice who gave Sara's photo to the newspaper day!


> The photo is owned by the paper.
> The paper printer the story.
> The paper owns the copyright to the photo.
> David Irving copied the photo without the permission of the paper.
> David Irving put it on his web site.
> This is called a "copyright violation" and is against the law.
> Other white power websites used the photo.
> The photo is almost ten years old.
>
> If any of these words are difficult for you, please let me know and I
> will try and explain them.
>
> Again, I apologize for being so hard on you. I didn't realize until now
> that you are mentally challenged. I'm also guessing that your need to
> call me things like "super sized" and your mentions of donuts and other
> unhealthy foods stems from your own obesity. I suggest calling a
> "nutritionist" (I can explain that word if it has too many syllables)
> and getting yourself on a healthier diet. Many so-called vegetarians
> have serious problems eating balanced meals.
>
> You might also contact your local mental health office. I'm sure they
> have people there who can help you.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sara
>
> --
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>  -Lenny Bruce- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




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Poor Sara. Why do you go to so much trouble to cover up your own
stupidity?

All I had to do is go to Westword and search for Salzman and the
article came up.

http://www.westword.com/2000-08-10/news/p-s-i-hate-you/full

It has your picture that you gave Westword. I suspect that in 2000,
when the article appeared, you were already in the middle of a lot of
controversy.

I do not even blame you for giving them your picture. It was your
choice but why all these lies?

It clearly shows you to be a liar and for what?

The entire thing is so insignificant.

Why do you do it to yourself? We should just drop it, please.

Have a nice try not to lie so much day!


On Sep 30, 3:59 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> You poor man.
>
> Here are some definitions for you, using words of few syllables. I hope
> this will help.
>
> 1. Newspaper - a newspaper is made up of news -- printed on paper.
>
> 2. The Internet - _not_ made up of paper.
>
> Not all things in all newspapers go on the Internet. In fact, there was
> a time when there were newspapers -- and NO Internet.
>
> Just because something appeared in a newspaper doesn't mean it the
> newspaper put it on the Internet.
>
> Then some people invented things called "scanners." These things could
> take a photograph (also known as a picture) and convert it so it could
> go on the Internet.
>
> Some newspapers started out just putting their news (text) on the
> Internet. Then later, as technology got better, they added photos.
>
> Did you know that the entire Internet (including the World Wide Web)
> started out entirely text-based? That means it didn't have ANY pictures.
>
> I imagine this is news to you since reading something without pictures
> must be very, very difficult for you.
>
> I hope this helps you.
>
> If any of these words were too difficult for you, please let me know.
> I'll be happy to explain them. Again, I suggest you read this out loud,
> since you are not what we call a "visual learner." That means you read a
> lot of things but don't understand them very well. An "audio learner"
> can get more out of reading something out loud, since they absorb things
> they HEAR better than things they READ.
>
> Good luck! I hope you are getting the help you need.
>
> --
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>  -Lenny Bruce




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Poor, poor Sara...

On Sep 30, 3:29 pm, Sara Salzman  wrote:
> In article ,
>  "Benjamin Cramer"  wrote:
>
> > "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
> >news:catamont-BD65EF.07331130092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>
> > > The photo is almost ten years old.
>
> > In that case there may no longer be any copyright on it, fat slag.
>
> LIFE OF THE CREATOR + 70 YEARS. You really like to showcase your
> stupidity, don't you?
>
> How long does a copyright last?
> The term of copyright for a particular work depends on several factors,
> including whether it has been published, and, if so, the date of first
> publication. As a general rule, for works created after January 1, 1978,
> copyright protection lasts for the life of the author plus an additional
> 70 years.http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html#duration
>
> http://www.photolaw.net/faq.html
>
> Q. What if a copyrighted work is used without permission?
>
> A. The unauthorized use of a copyrighted work is called an infringement.
> The Copyright Act provides stiff penalties for infringing copyrighted
> works. Under appropriate circumstances, penalties can include monetary
> damages, all profits earned by the infringer from the unauthorized use
> of the copyrighted work and attorney=EDs fees. A court can also order the
> destruction of all infringing copies.
>
> Q. Has the Copyright Act kept pace with the computer age and changing
> technology?
>
> A. Yes. The Copyright Act was designed to be responsive to all
> technological advances. For example, an illustration or photograph must
> be licensed for use on the internet. Similarly, an illustration or
> photograph taken off the internet without permission is as much an
> infringement as if the same image were taken from a magazine and used
> without permission. The unauthorized reproduction of a copyrighted work
> even if taken off the internet is still an infringement.
>
> Q: If a work does not have the word "copyright" on it, can I assume that
> the work is in the public domain and can be used?
>
> A Probably not. The safest thing to do is to assume that all works are
> protected by copyright and that no work can be used or reproduced
> without permission. The reason for this is that since March 1, 1989, a
> copyright notation is not an absolute necessity for copyright
> protection.
>
> Prior to this time, it was generally necessary to include a copyright
> notation on all works in order to maintain the copyright. In fact,
> before 1978 it was generally necessary both to use a copyright notation
> with a work as well as to register the work with the Copyright Office.
> However, since 1978 registration is no longer required.
>
> Q. What are the damages for an infringement?
>
> A. The owner of a copyright can always claim whatever damages he has
> actually sustained as a result of an infringement plus whatever profits
> were earned by the infringer from the unauthorized use of a work. In
> addition, if the copyright to a work which was infringed was registered
> with the Copyright Office either prior to the infringement or within 90
> days after first publication, there are alternative damages that can be
> awarded. The owner of the copyright can elect to seek the greater of
> either his actual damages plus the profits earned by the infringer, or
> damages of up to $100,000 plus attorney's fees and court costs. The
> total damages that can be awarded by a court depends upon the degree of
> willfulness of the infringer.
>
> For example, if a company has an agreement with a photographer to use
> certain photographs for one year only, the photographs can only be used
> within the one-year term. The company cannot use existing printed matter
> that contains any of the photographer=EDs images beyond the one-year term.
> Simply, the continued use of copyrighted materials beyond the licensing
> period constitutes copyright infringement.
>
> --------------------
> How long copyright lasts depends on when the work was created. The Sonny
> Bono Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 extended many copyrights by 20
> years. Here are the details, straight from the Copyright Office FAQ:
>
>    =80  For works created after January 1, 1978, copyright lasts for the
> life of the author plus 70 years. In the case of a joint work, copyright
> lasts for 70 years after the last surviving author's death. For
> anonymous and pseudonymous works and works made for hire, copyright
> lasts 95 years from the year of first publication or 120 years from the
> year of creation, whichever ends first.http://ask.yahoo.com/20020612.html
>
> --
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>  -Lenny Bruce





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