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From ncrccjc@.ibm.net Wed Aug  2 17:02:25 PDT 1995
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> ncrccjc@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> 
> >           
> >>  Marc (k?) Lemire in his constant attempt to sell his white supremacist 
junk 
> >writes:  
> >>                          
> >>                 
> >> 
> >>          NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
> >>               including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
> >>           which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Now for the truth. In fact, the so-called "Jewish Armed Resistance" 
existed 
> >in the USA till 1989. It has not been heard from since. The "Jewish Armed 
> >Resistance" NEVER existed in Canada. Lemire's claim that Zundel's home was 
"lit 
> >on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance" is (as is common to white 
supremacist 
> >types) completely false. Unless ofcourse Lemire has information which he has 
> >not shared with the police. This type of false posting clearly demonstrates 
the 
> >type of BBS run by Lemire.
> 
> Unless you have been on my BBS any ideas you have about it are just
> conjecture.
> 
> As for me lieing about the Jewish Armed Resistance.  Are you also
> going to say that the Toronto Sun is lieing?  They are the one's who
> piublished the story.
> 
> In case you didn't know the reporter who wrote the story Bill Dunphy
> is by no means a friend of the Right.
> 
> And from his statements he said that he traced the call from the
> person who claimed responsibility for the firbombing back to an
> offshoot of the Jewish Defence League.  He got the number from his
> call display screen.
> 
> What are you going to say now.  That a Zundel supporter broke in to
> the Jewish Defence Leagues building and made the call?
> 
> I think the facts are hitting you right in the face.  Open your eyes
> and look at them.
> 
> You seem to look at FACTS like McVay does.  Unless they support your
> arguement they are not facts.
> 
> Marc Lemire
> 

Now for the truth. Lemire is referring to an article which appeared in the 
Toronto Sun on May 9,1995. In fact an unidentified caller claimed 
responsibility for the fire stating he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance. 
Dunphy DID NOT have a call display instead the caller LEFT A PHONE NUMBER which 
was checked by Dunphy and found to be that of an off-shoot of the JDL. This is 
a far cry from Lemire's claim that the number appeared on Dunphy's call 
display. Just another example of how Holocaust deniers bastardize the truth. 

From cpn@inforamp.net Wed Aug  9 08:00:29 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 07:31:56 GMT
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kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote:

>In article <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:

>>         NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
>>              including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
>>          which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       

>Mr. Lemire, what purpose do you serve by continuing to make 
>this unsupportable claim?

UNSUPPORTED CLAIM?????   Are you crazy....  I have answered you
publically, via E-mail and also other users on my own BBS, so it is
only unsupported in your closed mind kenny-boy

>You know, for a _fact_, that no charges have been laid in the Zundel 
>arson.

That mean really nothing.  It has only been a month or so, give the
police time to collect enough evidence to charge the people
responsible

>You know, for a _fact_, that no suspects have been identified.

NO I don't since I am not privy to FBI and local Toronto Police files.
Just because no suspects have been show on TV means nothing, and you
dalm well know that.

>You know, for a _fact_, that no warrants have been issued.

>And yet, in spite of your knowing these _facts_, you continue to
>make this claim. That's called _lying_, Mr. Lemire, and, given your
>recent (and equally unsupportable) lie about the contents of the Leuchter
>BBS file, one can only assume that you have no compunction when it comes
>to libeling individuals or groups of people.

Gee you really like to use the word Liar 'eh Kenny-Boy?

maybe you should look in the mirror since allmost all of this file is
crap that I have answered.  So read the responses, and Answer them bud

>In short, you lie when it suits you, and you lie knowing full well
>that your lies can (and will) be exposed before the net.

Actually it seem like YOUR lies are the ones exposes, IE The fake
Leuchter BBS file and also the claims about Hoess.

>Or perhaps your particular political beliefs include a justice system
>based upon hearsay and idle speculation? Perhaps you have no respect
>for rules of evidence in a free society, preferring instead to make them
>up as you go along?

Hmmmm... .You seem to be the one who likes to make up lie Mr. McVay.


>Is that how you justify your lies, Mr. Lemire? If not, please tell us
>how you _do_ justify your lies..

I justify them with truths.  Can you prove that Leuchter is a Sex
Pervert?  


Your Humble truth seeker.....


Marc Lemire

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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
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kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote:

>In article <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:

>>         NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
>>              including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
>>          which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       

>Mr. Lemire, what purpose do you serve by continuing to make 
>this unsupportable claim?

UNSUPPORTED CLAIM?????   Are you crazy....  I have answered you
publically, via E-mail and also other users on my own BBS, so it is
only unsupported in your closed mind kenny-boy

>You know, for a _fact_, that no charges have been laid in the Zundel 
>arson.

That mean really nothing.  It has only been a month or so, give the
police time to collect enough evidence to charge the people
responsible

>You know, for a _fact_, that no suspects have been identified.

NO I don't since I am not privy to FBI and local Toronto Police files.
Just because no suspects have been show on TV means nothing, and you
dalm well know that.

>You know, for a _fact_, that no warrants have been issued.

>And yet, in spite of your knowing these _facts_, you continue to
>make this claim. That's called _lying_, Mr. Lemire, and, given your
>recent (and equally unsupportable) lie about the contents of the Leuchter
>BBS file, one can only assume that you have no compunction when it comes
>to libeling individuals or groups of people.

Gee you really like to use the word Liar 'eh Kenny-Boy?

maybe you should look in the mirror since allmost all of this file is
crap that I have answered.  So read the responses, and Answer them bud

>In short, you lie when it suits you, and you lie knowing full well
>that your lies can (and will) be exposed before the net.

Actually it seem like YOUR lies are the ones exposes, IE The fake
Leuchter BBS file and also the claims about Hoess.

>Or perhaps your particular political beliefs include a justice system
>based upon hearsay and idle speculation? Perhaps you have no respect
>for rules of evidence in a free society, preferring instead to make them
>up as you go along?

Hmmmm... .You seem to be the one who likes to make up lie Mr. McVay.


>Is that how you justify your lies, Mr. Lemire? If not, please tell us
>how you _do_ justify your lies..

I justify them with truths.  Can you prove that Leuchter is a Sex
Pervert?  


Your Humble truth seeker.....


Marc Lemire

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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
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To: jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown)
From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
Subject: Re: More lies from Lemire

>cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote:
>
>>>>>Mr. Lemire also lies when he claims that "Jewish terrorists" or
>
>>>>HAAHAHAH.. we already went over this Ken.. Nice try though.  But since
>>>>Ken was a little sleepy that day we'll do it again.
>>>>
>>>>Firstly The TORONTO SUN ran the article about Zundel's house being
>>>>tourched by the Jewish Armed Resistance.  The way the reporter of that
>>>>story BILL DUNPHY came across that story was because he got a phone
>>>>call by a person claiming to be from the JAR.  Mr. Dunphy then traced
>>>>the number he got off his call display back to an offshoot of the
>>>>Jewish Defence League (Called a terrorist group by the FBI)   
>
>>>Mr. Dunphy did not use call display. You are lying. The caller gave him a
>>>number, which he then called.
>
>>I am almost certain he got it from call display. 
>
>First, you claim that "Dunphy then traced the number he got off his
>call display back to an offshoot of the Jewish Defence League".
>Challenged on this, you now backpedal to "I am almost certain he got
>it from call display".
>
>Which is it, Lemire? The first statement was an absolute assertion.
>The second is weasel words. Have you _any_ direct evidence at all that
>any caller ID display was involved?

Actually I never gave in to Mr. McVays claim that Dunphy did not use
call display.  I simply said that I would agree for the sake of
arguement.


>> But for the sake of
>>arguement, say he called the number back and continued the interview,
>>that is still proof that the call was from an offshoot of the Jewish
>>Defence League.
>
>Absolute rubbish. "For the sake of arguement (sic)" does not equate to
>"proof", Lemire. Do you have _any_ direct evidence that Dunphy _did_
>call the number back and continue the interview? Any at all? Have you
>asked Dunphy?

No I have not personally asked Mr. Dunphy about this call display
controversy.  But from good sources to which Mr. Dunphy talks to ...
Yes He got it from call display.  

If you were from Toronto, you would know that Mr. Dunphy HATES the
right wing, and would certainly not do a nice story on any of us.  So
if an opportunity like this came along to him... I am sure that Mr.
Dunphy would check and double check before publishing the story.


>Let us imagine an alternate scenario. Let us assume that Joe
>Knuckledragger reads of the burning of Zundel's house. Being a good
>little Nazi-wannabe, he calls the Toronto Star and puts on his best
>Jewish Accent: "Oy vay, the commandos of the Jewish Armed Resistance,
>telephone number 555-1234, burned down dat rat Zundel's house."
>
>This is one possible explanation for the events related. What evidence
>do you have that disproves this scenario? (Hint: evidence must
>originate outside the confines of your own skull.)

I certainly do NOT think that a "Nazi" would call Dunphy and claim
such crap.  If this were the case Mr. Dunphy would be publishing front
page articles on the evil Nazi ploy to create hatred against Jews.


>>>Mr. Dunphy did not say that this caller, or this group, _was_ responsible
>>>for the arson - he said the caller _claimed_ responsibility. 
>>>It was you, with absolutely no supporting evidence, no record of charges
>>>laid, no release of suspects' names by the RCMP, and no record of warrants
>>>having been issued, who stated that the "Jewish Armed Resistance" torched
>>>Zundel's home. That makes you a liar, Mr. Lemire.
>
>>Yes the caller from the Jewish Armed resistance claimed
>>responsibility.
>
>A caller _claiming_ to be from the JAR claimed responsibility. What
>evidence (from outside your own skull - remember?) can you provide
>that demonstrates the caller was _actually_ a member of the JAR?


Well... lets see.... HE SAID HE WAS!...  

What evidence do you have that he wasn't?


>>I have not misreprented the Dunphy article.
>

No that is not true at all.  I said FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUEMENT.  Please
try not to put words in my mouth

>You claimed Dunphy got the number from a caller ID display. Now you
>are backing down on that claim. Was the original claim a
>misrepresentation? Looks like one to me.
>
>>  I told it as I saw it.  
>
>Obviously not, since you're backpedaling so furiously.


Only in your cranium.

>>And the Jewish Armed Resistance is the only group so far to claim
>>responsibility for the crime.  
>
>Wrong again. Someone claiming to be with JAR claimed responsibility.
>Not one shred of evidence to definitively link the caller with the JAR
>has been presented.

I already presented the call display evidence.  Reporter Dunphy's
interview withy the person and the motive that they would have.


>>I simply said that the Jewish Armed Resistance is the most likley
>>suspect.  
>
>You've just told another whopper, Lemire. You've said, in your ad for
>your BBS:
>
>>         NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
>>              including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
>>          which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       
>
>Not "most likley (sic) suspect". You flat out claim they did it. Based
>on what? One phone call of unknown origin?
>

Well you are confusing two differerent thing here.  In my BBS add I
did say that they lit Mr Zundels house on fire.  But in my talk with
Mr. McVay I said that they are the most likley suspects.  Which is
what you are quoting.
I still do believe that the Jewish Armed resistance are the ones
responsible for the blaze.  And no one to date has come up with a
better suspect to change my mind.


>This is why you are referred to as a liar: because you lie.

Ok whatever you say. 


>>But even at my young age I hope when I get to be old,  like McVay is,
>>that I am not working in a variety store with a life going NO where.
>>I am going to college studying medicine,  I am a medic in the Canadian
>>Armed Forces.... What is McVay.  An old loser on tv hacking over a
>>computer with a smoke hanging out of his mouth.  Real cool bud.
>
>A classic ad hominem argument. Since you don't particularly care for
>Mr. McVay's appearance or choice of vocation, he must therefore be
>dead wrong. This is one of the most basic fallacies you can commit.
>Guess they're not teaching logic in the Canadian Armed Forces these
>days, eh?

I never said he was wrong because he is a bum.  I was responding to
his claims that I was in Diapers and other such rude remarks.  Please,
If you are going to quote me.. do it properly.


>>And I think there is evidence.  They claimed responsibility, they gave
>>the number, they called dunphy, etc.
>
>Again, no. Someone claimed responsibility, someone gave their number,
>someone called Dunphy. You have no idea what the actual identity of
>the person who made the phone call is. You cannot therefore conenct
>him positively with the JAR.

So you have alternative informatin about the phone call?  Do you have
proof that someone other that the Jewish Armed Resistance made the
call?


>>>Demonstrate, by posting the Toronto article, that the paper accused
>>>any person or group of this arson, Mr. Lemire. Put up, opr shut up.
>
>>Why don't you shut up.  OK I will look through my files to see where
>>the article is.  And then retype it.  But you must also have a copy of
>>it at your place....  Why don't you retype it...  You came after me.
>>I never had any contact with you until you started writing to me, so
>>why don't you put up and retype it.  
>
>You posted your accusations in a public newsgroup. Did you intend that
>the post be ignored?

Actually I posted a BBS ad.  And no I never expected for the ad to get
so much attention as it is getting.


>> Besides unlike you I am very busy
>>with school and my career.  I don't have much time to waste on idiots
>>like you.
>
>You had time to post an 887-line reply... twice.

That does not mean that I can do it every night.   And most of the 887
was me quoting him.


>>>>And you should not call me a Liar(Almost every sentence you say you
>>>>call me liar somewhere).  I have shown the facts as they come to me.
>>>>Just because you may not like the facts thats too bad!
>
>>>I call you a liar because you _are_ a liar, Lemire. You have shown no facts,
>>>you have misrepresented a newspaper article, and accused, without
>>>proof, Jewish citizens of arson.
>
>>aaaaahhhhhhhh.. those poor jews..... eh ken.  I accused The Jewish
>>Armed resistance, I never accused a 'jewish citizen'.  So YOU MUST BE
>>STREATCHING THE TRUTH AGAIN.  
>
>See the next quote from your post, Lemire.
>
>>It is most probible that they are Jewish.  And I never made a blanket
>>remark about the whole Jewish community, only about the group that
>>claimed responsibility namely the Jewish Armed Resistance.
>
>You have just accused one or more Jewish citizens. Therefore, your
>claim that "I never accused a 'jewish citizen'" is rendered untrue. It
>is a lie. You told it. You are a liar. Again.


If they are any thing they would most likley NOT be Jewish Citizens.
Since mostlikley they are either American or Canadian Citizens who did
this crime.  NOT JEWISH CITIZENS... FROM ISRAEL.

Nice try though. 


>>>Good - you do have some ability to comprehend written text.
>
>>PLease shut up Ken.  Stop putting stupid remarks in like this.  I will
>>contain myself from doing things like that.  
>
>Ah, you mean you won't make comments like "old loser on tv hacking
>over a computer with a smoke hanging out of his mouth" about Mr.
>McVay? How very enlightened of you...

Well as you must have noticed I wrote that BEFORE i wrote this.  From
this point on I tried to contain myslelf.


>>What you think does not either.  If it really carried no weight why on
>>earth are you argueing with me?  If I am just am idiot why waste your
>>time? 
>
>If you post your lies and misrepresentations publicly, expect to be
>called to task publicly.

That is not what I said.  McVay said that anything I say carries no
weight, so i asked him why he argues with me for so long then.


>>I stated that the Jewish Armed Resistance was responsible, because
>>THEY claimed responsibility.  Why is that so wrong. 
>
>Simple: you have no evidence that the caller was, in fact, a member of
>the JAR.

Do you have any controdictary evidence?  I think not!


>>>>In my eyes even if they did not pour the gas or light the match they
>>>>are still as guilty due to all the years they have vilified Mr.
>>>>Zundel. 
>
>So we come down to the nub of the matter: it is of no real concern to
>you who the actual arsonists are, Lemire. You will hold Jews
>responsible for it no matter what the truth turns out to be.

I hold the Jewish press in Canada partly to blame because they have
truned Mr. Zundel into the devil.  They have defamed his character for
quite along time.  Which after time brings these type of actions.


>>I said they should hold part of the burden for the terror campain they
>>have help against Zundel.  And it is true,  They have nothing but bad
>>mouthed him for years.
>
>And that equates to actually settings Zundel's house on fire? Explain,
>please.

I never said that the WHOLE Jewish community lit the match.  I said
that they have vilified him.  Which over time makes people want to
kill him.

I challange you to pick up 1 Canadian Jewish News Paper and there
isn't a story in there about either Zundel or hate groups.
Just 1...



>Posted and emailed.
>
>JGB


E-Mailed back to you!

Marc Lemire

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              Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS.  Part #1

All these files are availible for download on our BBS system in
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>In article <408nhk$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>>>In article <3vvnmb$t5m@nanaimo.island.net>, kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken
>>>McVay) wrote:
>
>>>   Mr. Lemire apparently has difficulty relating to Canada's legal
>>>   system, as he continues to assert that the "Jewish Armed Resistance"
>>>   (an apparently non-existent, long-defunct group) was responsible
>>>   for the Zundel arson.
>
>[Mr. Walton]
>   
>>>More to the point, he does not explain why there would be a "Jewish Armed
>>>Resistance" when Canada is in the grip of the "Zionist Occupational
>>>Government." What the hell are they resisting?
>
>[Back to Lemire]
>
>>Oh please....  The Jewish Armed Resistance claimed responsibility for the 
>>firebombing not ME.  So the guilty finger certainly points to them.
>
>No, Mr. Lemire, that is not the way it went down. An anonymous
>caller _claiming_ to represent a long-defunct group, _claimed_
>responsibility for the act.

And your point.  A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility 
for the bombing.  Yes your also right that they claimed that they belong to 
the Jewish Armed Resistance.


>There is no proof whatsover that the anon. caller either represented
>this long-defunct group, or that the anon. caller committed the
>arson. None. Zip. Squat.

Exept that the person who called said they represented the group.  Don't 
forget that.


>There is no proof whatsoever that Ernst Zundel himself did not make
>the call, hoping to cast aspersions on the Jews in order to raise
>money for his hate-mongering. None. Zip. Squat.

OH please.  Get real McVay.  

There a Nazi plot under every rock eh?!


>There is no proof that _you_, Mr. Lemire, did not make that call,
>or, for that matter, that _I_ did not make that call.

Well sure there is.  Bill Dunphy knows me and most likley could recognize my 
voice on the phone.  After all I ran a hotline in the Toronto area for over 1 
and a half years.  As for you.  Well I doubt that even you are stupid enough 
to do such a thing.

>No guilt. No finger. Just Lemire, liar.
>

gee thats a good line Kenny-boy.  But what the hell does it mean?

NO finger. Just Lemire, lair?  I don't get what you mean


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Lemire's Revisionist BS: The Lie Continues
Date: 13 Aug 1995 09:41:19 GMT
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In article <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
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>Newsgroups: 
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>In article <407bm0$1ie@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote:
>
>>>In article <3vt1s4$rtn@inforamp.net>, Marc LemireLemire continues his
>>>repetition of a lie:
>
>>>>         NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
>>>>              including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
>>>>          which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       
>
>>>Mr. Lemire apparently has difficulty relating to Canada's legal
>>>system, as he continues to assert that the "Jewish Armed Resistance"
>>>(an apparently non-existent, long-defunct group) was responsible
>>>for the Zundel arson.
>
>>Gee they must be still around if they are burning Zundels house
>
>Excuse me for repeating myself, Mr. Lemire, but what proof do you
>have that a "Jewish Armed Resistance" "are burning Zundels house?"

Boy are you hard headed.  I am NOT going to go over and over it with you until 
your closed mind can actually understand.


>Earlier discussions relating to this silliness make it clear that
>you have none whatsoever.

Actually it shows that YOU really had no evidence.  But nice try!


>Lemire l'liar.


Why are you making these childish remarks? 


Marc




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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
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In article <409f8c$fdb@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
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>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Newsgroups: 
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>In article <408nn2$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>>Why Mr. McVay do you call me a Revisionist in the Subject part of this 
>>message?
>
>Perhaps because, in announcing that "Jewish Terrorists" or the
>"Jewish Armed Resistance" committed the Zundel arson, you are
>revising history, Mr. Lemire.

I am not revising history Mr McVay.  I am telling it how it is.


>Like "revisionist scholars" everywhere, you invent "facts" when it
>suits you, with utter disregard for reality.
>
>That's a polite way of pointing out that you are a liar, Mr. Lemire.
>


Really.  And where is your supposed proof that either I or these so-called 
"revisionist scholars" invent facts?


Seems more like YOU just invented something, not me!


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
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In article ,
   anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
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>
>> >>And I think there is evidence.  They claimed responsibility, they gave
>> >>the number, they called dunphy, etc.
>> >
>> >Again, no. Someone claimed responsibility, someone gave their number,
>> >someone called Dunphy. You have no idea what the actual identity of
>> >the person who made the phone call is. You cannot therefore conenct
>> >him positively with the JAR.
>> 
>> So you have alternative informatin about the phone call?  Do you have
>> proof that someone other that the Jewish Armed Resistance made the
>> call?
>> 
>
>
>Boy oh Boy Lemire. Your lack of even the most basic logic and your
>dogmatic refusal to admit your outright stupidity amazes me to no end.
>
>Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called,
>and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic.
>

Why is it "moronic"?  They claim it was not the Jewish Armed Resistance. Why 
should they not have to prove that it wasn't them.



>You are asking someone to prove a negative.  Just because you can't prove
>that it is not, that doesn't mean that it is. I and many others think you
>and all revisionists are inbred little weasels. Until you can prove
>otherwise, then that is exactly what you all are.

The caller said he was from the JAR.  If they are going to claim he is not 
them they have the burden of proof.  NOT ME.


>Please oh please, go to school, get an education and a life. And while
>you're at it, buy a dictionary.

Thanks for the advice.  Fortunatley, I have a life, an education and also a 
dictionary.


Marc






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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general
Subject: Re: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
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In article <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com>,
   campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote:
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>From: campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell)
>Newsgroups: 
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>G. Ghazanfari (gfari@nudge.io.org) wrote:
>: I hope CSIS throws you in jail soon.

CSIS does not arrest people.  They only watch then get the RCMP to arrest.

And what on earth are they going to arrest me for?


>: Marc Lemire (cpn@inforamp.net) wrote:
>: :               Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS.  Part #1
>
>
>: I see from the list most of your files are racist

really ???!?!  Which files are you talking about?


>: nazis shud be in jail

For what?

>
>Ooh.  You sound like you come from somewhere that Liberty is not
>so popular.   One of the advantages to free speech is that it
>exposes stupidity, such as yours.
>
>Dhu

Well what he says certainly is stupid!


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads
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In article <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com>,
   stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) wrote:
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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>      Hey, asshole, quit posting your fucking ads on the Usenet.
>
gee, hw come I have never seen you attack Ken Mcvay for posting his material 
every couple of months?


I can post whatever I want, where every I want.  And I will not let an idiot 
like you tell me where I can post or not post.  



>Mike "Whadda expect from a WP type?" Beebe

A little more class.


Marc




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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general
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In article <40dmp8$3qg@news1.best.com>,
   stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) wrote:
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>Newsgroups: 
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>Marc Lemire (cpn@inforamp.net) wrote:
>
>    Marc,
>
>     I suggest you learn something of netiquette as it's obvious you're
>   intentionally spamming.
>
If your going to call me a "spammer"  why don't you call McVay a spammer also?


Marc




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In article , scurrg@cuug.ab.ca (Glen Scurr) wrote:
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>StukaFox (stukafox@shell1.best.com) wrote:
>: A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45
>
>It's only a matter of time then before Mr. Rock proposes bill C-666 where 
>everyone must register their religous ( or lack of ) beleifs.


Gee what won't the government try to "regulate"?


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:18 PDT 1995
Article: 31102 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics
Subject: Re: You haven't got enough money, Mr. Lemire..
Date: 13 Aug 1995 09:30:58 GMT
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In article <409dtq$f82@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>Path: 
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for-mail
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.whi
te-power,can.politics
>Subject: You haven't got enough money, Mr. Lemire..
>Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:35:06 -0700
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
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>Summary: Marc Lemire thinks money will buy him storage on nizkor..
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alt.conspiracy:51074 alt.politics.white-power:12631 can.politics:37239
>Status: N
>
>[Mr. Lemire]
>
>".... on another topic, since I post your files for all my users why
>don't you give me some space of your FTP site?  It seems only fair.
>I will even go you one further.  I will put 10 times as much of your
>material on my bbs as I will post of your FTP site.  That sounds even
>more fair."
>
>[McVay]
>
>"I'm not remotely interested in paying for your storage, Mr. Lemire."
>
>[Lemire]
>
>"Since your too cheap to pay, i'll send you the money to cover the
>costs.  How much does it cost for 5 megs of storage on your ftp site?"
>
>Let me re-state my position in words even you can understand, Mr.
>Lemire: You can't buy storage on nizkor.


OK then I will erase your files that I put FREE on my BBS.


OH by the way, since you save all my posts on your FTP site, I have been 
contacted by 3 people who got my E-mail address from one of the posts you 
kept.  Thank you.  Keep up the good work!

Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:21 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general
Subject: Re: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:17:23 GMT
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In article <40c87i$ale@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com>,
   campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote:
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>From: campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.sk
inheads,can.general,can.politics,tor.general
>Subject: Re: ALLFILES LIST FROM DIGITAL FREEDOM >>CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL 
BBS
>Date: 9 Aug 1995 23:16:18 -0700
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>
>G. Ghazanfari (gfari@nudge.io.org) wrote:
>: I hope CSIS throws you in jail soon.

CSIS does not arrest people.  They only watch then get the RCMP to arrest.

And what on earth are they going to arrest me for?


>: Marc Lemire (cpn@inforamp.net) wrote:
>: :               Allfiles list from Digital Freedom BBS.  Part #1
>
>
>: I see from the list most of your files are racist

really ???!?!  Which files are you talking about?


>: nazis shud be in jail

For what?

>
>Ooh.  You sound like you come from somewhere that Liberty is not
>so popular.   One of the advantages to free speech is that it
>exposes stupidity, such as yours.
>
>Dhu

Well what he says certainly is stupid!


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:24 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
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>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po
litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
>Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
>Date: 10 Aug 1995 08:37:09 -0700
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
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>
>In article <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org>, G. Ghazanfari  
wrote:
>
>>White supremists should be locked away in jail.
>
>>I thot there were hate laws to stop these people?
>
>Why would you want to stop them? They are uniformly inept at
>expressing themselves, uniformly bereft of language skills, and
>consistent at exposing themselves as bigoted, lying idiots. They
>are, in fact, their own worst enemies.
>
>The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.

Under our sheets???

What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy?


The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more 
support by the day.

The only thing you have accomplished is to make yourself look like an idiot.



Marc




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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:22:41 GMT
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In article <40dm5q$3qg@news1.best.com>,
   stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox) wrote:
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l1.best.com!stukafox
>From: stukafox@shell1.best.com (StukaFox)
>Newsgroups: 
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neral,alt.skinheads
>Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
>Followup-To: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.ge
neral,alt.skinheads
>Date: 10 Aug 1995 19:20:26 GMT
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>
>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>      Hey, asshole, quit posting your fucking ads on the Usenet.
>
gee, hw come I have never seen you attack Ken Mcvay for posting his material 
every couple of months?


I can post whatever I want, where every I want.  And I will not let an idiot 
like you tell me where I can post or not post.  



>Mike "Whadda expect from a WP type?" Beebe

A little more class.


Marc





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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
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In article , scurrg@cuug.ab.ca (Glen Scurr) wrote:
>Newsgroups: 
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neral,alt.skinheads
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>From: scurrg@cuug.ab.ca (Glen Scurr)
>Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
>Message-ID: 
>Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
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>
>StukaFox (stukafox@shell1.best.com) wrote:
>: A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45
>
>It's only a matter of time then before Mr. Rock proposes bill C-666 where 
>everyone must register their religous ( or lack of ) beleifs.


Gee what won't the government try to "regulate"?


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 13 17:05:35 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40dnup$r4n@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
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>From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po
litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
>Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
>Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:50:49 +0100
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>
>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>I have told you enough times Mr. McVay.  If you do not like the facts I 
bring 
>>up... Too bad.
>
>	Translation: I'm allergic to facts, so I can't reply to Ken McVay's
>postings

Funny, I have replied to them all.


>>I don't feel like retyping them every time you post these stupid messages.
>
>	Translation: I wouldn't bother my arse doing it, even if I could, as
>I'm going off in a snit because you've made me look stupid.
>


I am NOT going anywhere.  I will continue to post and post.  


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40do47$rba@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
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>From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po
litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
>Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
>Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:53:43 +0100
>Organization: TCD Maths
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>
>gfari@wink.io.org (G. Ghazanfari) writes:
>>White supremists should be locked away in jail.
>
>	Indeed, they are unpleasant people.
>
>>I thot there were hate laws to stop these people?
>
>	Personally, I think it's better to show them to be the fools and liars
>they are; censoring them just gives them an excuse to sit on their arses and
>bleat "We're being persecuted". Allowing them to be heard and rebutted shows
>them for what they are.
>
>	Of course, if any of them commits a violent act, they should be tried
>in a court, just like anyone else.

Gee in you first answer we should be locked away, in your second answer we 
should be allowed to speak.

You and McVay must get alone quite well.  You both seem to think the same



Marc





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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large
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In article ,
   anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
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>From: anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.po
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>Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large
>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 12:23:50 -0800
>Organization: The Celyddon Forest
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>
>> >Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called,
>> >and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic.
>> 
>> Why is it "moronic"?  They claim it was not the Jewish Armed Resistance. 
Why 
>> should they not have to prove that it wasn't them.
>
>Who claimed? An caller who for all the world knows could have be you.


A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility.  The caller said 
he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance.  

Also Mr. Dunphy (The reporter who took the call) would know my voice, so it 
certainly is not me.

>> 
>> >You are asking someone to prove a negative.  Just because you can't prove
>> >that it is not, that doesn't mean that it is. I and many others think you
>> >and all revisionists are inbred little weasels. Until you can prove
>> >otherwise, then that is exactly what you all are.
>> 
>> The caller said he was from the JAR.  If they are going to claim he is not 
>> them they have the burden of proof.  NOT ME.
>
>Again, an unverified caller. You claimed that this makes it 100% a fact
>that the bomb was JAR. You need to get your head out of your ass and your
>hand off your dick long enough to see the fallacy of this logic.

Really.   Where did I say that it is 100% fact?  I stated that the caller 
claimed responsibility.  So if a group claims responsibility, then they look 
guilty.  When, if this crime does, come to court, all our answers will be 
solved, as to who did it, and what group they represent.

>What if I, as a caller were to call the Sun, and claim to be, oh I don't
>know, Marc Lemire the operator of a 'revisionist' BBS, and then assert to
>the reporter that I was an inbred little weasel. Now if the paper printed
>an article which says "Marc Lemire claimes to be an inbred little weasel",
>it would be, based on your stunted logic, an unassailable FACT.

I never claimed it was an "unassailable fact"  I said that no one has proven 
to me that the person who claimed responsibility is not who he said he was.



>> >Please oh please, go to school, get an education and a life. And while
>> >you're at it, buy a dictionary.
>> 
>> Thanks for the advice.  Fortunatley, I have a life, an education and also a 
>> dictionary.
>
>Ah-ha, but I said you did not. So, until you prove otherwise, the world
>will know that MARC LEMIRE has no education, no life, and no dictionary
>(the last of which is evidenced by articles constantly littered with poor
>spelling.)


Well you are entitled to your own opinion.  The complete stupidness of your 
last question/respone requires no response from me.


Marc




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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:20 PDT 1995
Article: 31454 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:01:23 GMT
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In article <40m4qb$stc@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>,
   aa287@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Lorne  Warwick ) wrote:
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>From: aa287@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Lorne  Warwick )
>Newsgroups: 
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>Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
>Followup-To: 
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>Date: 14 Aug 1995 00:19:23 GMT
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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>:    kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>: >Why would you want to stop them? They are uniformly inept at
>: >expressing themselves, uniformly bereft of language skills, and
>: >consistent at exposing themselves as bigoted, lying idiots. They
>: >are, in fact, their own worst enemies.
>: >
>: >The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>: >what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>: >hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.
>
>: Under our sheets???
>
>: What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy?
>
>
>: The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more 
>: support by the day.
>
>Really?  Having read through this thread, I can discern absolutely no 
>support for your twisted views.


Like what Twisted views are you talking about?

I have made very resonable statements.  If you don't like them well thats too 
bad.


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:24 PDT 1995
Article: 31455 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TEDIOUS BBS advertisement
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:13:59 GMT
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In article ,
 >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>In article <409cti$f6p@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>Path: 
>
>>> [...further headers deleted...]
>
>Perhaps you could be bothered to open the documentation on your
>newsreader, Lemire, and figure out how to quit wasting more bandwidth
>than you usually do by not including headers in your replies.
>

I will look at solving this terrible problem.


>>>In article <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire again posts his
>>>"MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS" advertisement, and once again it contains
>>>the lie about who torched Zundel's house.
>>>
>>>Mr. Lemire has posted this advertisement, in one flavour or another,
>>>a minimum of 9 times since June 28. Each time, he includes the lie
>
>>Well you post your "anti-revisionist" material every 45 days.  So big deal 
how 
>>many times I have posted my BBS advertisement.
>
>Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand
>the difference? (A silly question, I know...)


HAHAHHA.  They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by e-mail 
thingy.



>>>Each time, I and others have pointed out that no charges have been
>>>laid, no suspects identified, and no warrants issued.
>>>
>>>Mr. Lemire seems unfamiliar with the concept of "innocent until
>>>proven guilty," which seems consistent with his thought processes,
>>>if nothing else.
>
>>Well the FBI also markes claimed terrorists acts such as this one as an act 
by 
>>the group.  
>
>>Go down to the library and pick up the FBI's analysis of terrorist incidents 
>>in the United States.  I have the 1981,1982 and 1983 versions.
>
>>In it it refers to the Jewish Defence League as a terrorist organization and 
>>also keeps records on how many terrorist acts they did in that year.  IN 
1982 
>>they listed as committing 5 actual bombings, 1 attempted smoke bombing, 1 
>>arson, injuring 7 people and killing 1.  They also mention the United Jewish 
>>underground which had 1 attempted bombing.
>
>>So if you follow how the FBI marks terrorist groups, the Jewish Armed 
>>Resistance would be listed as commiting 1 arson.
>
>Holy cow! One arson, way back in 1982? Golly gee, that's the most
>convincing evidence yet that they did it again, thirteen years later.
>It also proves, unmistakably, that the anonymous caller who called
>Bill Dunphy on his non-caller-ID-equipped phone _must_ have been with
>the JDL! Just look at their record of over a decade ago!

CAN'T YOU READ???  There was FIVE BOMBINGS, 1 SMOKE BOMBING and 1 ARSON.  The 
Jewish Defence League also KILLED ONE PERSON and INJURED SEVEN.



><>
>
>What, exactly, do the activities of the JDL thirteen years ago prove
>about the arson of Zundel's house? Absolutely nothing, Lemire. You
>have no evidence that the caller was with the JDL, you have no
>evidence that the caller was connected to the arson, your BBS ad is
>still a lie, and you are still a liar.

Well you also have NO evidence that the caller was not.  I on the other hand 
have the evidence WHERE THE CALLER STATES HE IS FROM THE JEWISH ARMED 
RESISTANCE.  And the JDL is just as dangerous as they were then, if not more. 
 I have looked for the newest FBI report btu I believe they keep them secret 
for 10 years before releasing it to the public.  But this I am not sure on.


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:27 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:24:36 GMT
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In article ,
 
>In article <40m56l$ksf@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>Does NO ONE in this group know how to use a text editor?
>
>  :Really.   Where did I say that it is 100% fact?  I stated that the caller 
>  :claimed responsibility.  So if a group claims responsibility, then they 
look 
>  :guilty.
>
>No group claimed responsibility. Someone claiming to be that group claimed
>responsibility. The groups involvement--indeed, existence--has not been
>supported by a shred of evidence that I've seen so far.

Except for the CALLER who claimed it.  Unless you have other evidence please 
shut up about this.


>
>  :When, if this crime does, come to court, all our answers will be 
>  :solved, as to who did it, and what group they represent.
>
>Unless the case doesn't go your way, in which case you'll claim the fix was 
>in.

I don't have a clue what you mean here.  I really DON"T care if it was a Jew 
or a White person who did the crime.  But at the present time all the evidence 
 points to the Jewish Armed Resistance.


>
>  :I never claimed it was an "unassailable fact"  I said that no one has 
proven 
>  :to me that the person who claimed responsibility is not who he said he 
was.
>
>I'm with the Georgia Freedmen's Militia. We burned down Zundel's house.
>
>There. Now you can't say that it's the JAR, as you have every bit as much
>evidence that the GFM is to blame.

No in the JAR case I also have the police's statement who say they are 
investigating the JAR.  We also don't have a offshoot your "group" trying to 
hop over the wooden barrier of Zundel house.

Nice try though


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:30 PDT 1995
Article: 31457 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Dachau gas chamber verified
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:17:50 GMT
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In article ,
>>In article 
>>           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
>>> This would appear to be fairly explicit. On what basis do revisionists 
>>> want us to believe that Smith's claims are inauthentic? Has Fred Leuchter 
>>> visited Dachau and given his expert opinion on that site as well?
>>
>>
>>It's very explicit. It's also wrong. I would suggest you contact Israel
>>Gutman and announce that you have made this remarkable discovery. There
>>are also photographs of Dachau gas chambers. They too are hoaxes to deceive
>>the credulous and the gullible, which at one time included most of the 
American public. 


HAHAHAHHAH.  Inside the "gas chamber" of Dachau there is a REMOVABLE sign that 
says there were NEVER GASSING at Dachau.  


>
>He gave you very convincing, published testimony by a US Army
>physician, Marcus J Smith, who was personally present at Dachau at its
>liberation stating in no uncertain terms that he examined a genocidal
>gas chamber there.

HAHHAHAHA.  Sure he saw a "gas chamber"  but it was never used to KILL ANYONE.


Marc




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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:34 PDT 1995
Article: 31458 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: McVays funding from Jerusalem
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:43:23 GMT
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In article <40mj5s$26t@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com>,   wrote:
>>CyberKnght has been posting  a lot in this newsgroup.  He always  sends
>>copies of his posts to the Jewish and Zionists organizations for which he
>>works.  Here is a list of the addresses he sends copies to;
>>bzs@world.std.com, al.negron@channell.com, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
>>sschultz@crl.com, paalde@stud.cs.uit.no, israel.silverman@moondog.com.
>>Does he get paid by ADL, JDL and the Mossad for each word he writes, and
>>the copies are his invoices to justify these organizations expending the US
>>Foreign aid money to pay CyberKnght's salary?
>
>My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!"
>

>Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish
>and Zionist organization should be paying me?  While you're at it,
>please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can
>get my letterheads printed correctly.



OK Kenny-boy.  Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network.  Their address is 6 Ben 
Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel.  Your contact person is Zvi Lando.  (The follwoing 
information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149.  
ISSN number 1081-2385.  The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale 
Research Inc.)

Also according to the article on you in the Globe and Mail on Oct 18, 1994 you 
are also recieving a collection of money to buy you a new computer, and a more 
direct link to the Internet, from Prof. Swartz (Prof at Simon Frazer 
University) and the United Church.

For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the 
Internet costs" let me fill you in.

A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's 
largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.  If he is really 
pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE 
THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.  This connection runs off a PPP capable synchronous 
router and can run all Internet functions (WWW, Telnet, E-mail, UseNet etc)


That should put the question to rest of where McVay gets his funding.  (At 
least the printed places)  



Marc




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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:30:37 PDT 1995
Article: 31459 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article ,

>In article <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, devens@uoguelph.ca (David
>L Evens) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> : (1) I have not read the article. Lemire has said he'd post it; it has
>> : yet to turn up under his imprimature. Lemire's account of what the
>> : article supposedly said changes, generally as inconsistencies and
>> : logical fallacies in Lemire's arguments are pointed out.
>> 
>> : (2) Kindly point out to me at what point I quoted the article. I have
>> : done no such thing.
>> 
>> Two more idiotic statements.  You didn't read the article you quoted.
>
>Why? Because he requires for Lemire to back up his ludicrous and
>fallacious assertions with something other than the word of an anonymous
>caller which the Sun, the Sun reporter, and the police all consider to be
>little more than a hoax?


THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news!
The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax 
for sure.  Come on stop bullshitting.


 
>> : The fact is, the identity and affiliations, if any, of the person who
>> : called Dunphy are unknown. Lemire assumes that it must have been a
>> : member of a Jewish terrorist group. Why? Because the caller said he
>> : was. Good, solid evidence, that.
>> 
>> Much better than yours.
>> 
>
>No it is not. In a court of law, and in fact before any person with a
>brain it is very poor evidence. One anonymous caller who is not verified
>and who is regared by the Sun, by the reporter who took the call and also
>by the police as a hoax.

Can you please cite Canadian case law to back up what you are saying?




>> You choose not to understand that you don't need to belong to a group to 
>> commit acts of terrorism for the alleged benefit of that group.
>
>This is totally irrelevant. The point of argument is whether or not Lemire
>has any SOLID ADMISSIBLE proof to support his assertion of the JAR's
>guilt. He does not, and resorts to prevarication, sudden factual
>alterations, and outright lies to try to support his garbage.


What outright lies are you talking about?  What sudden "factual alterations" 
are you refering to?

It seems like you are the one writting garbage, buddy!

Marc




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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large
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In article ,

>> >Who claimed? An caller who for all the world knows could have be you.
>> 
>> 
>> A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility.  The caller 
said 
>> he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance.  
>> 
>Ok. So an UNKNOWN caller claimed to be from the JAR. Boy oh boy, there is
>proof. (he says, dripping heavy with sarcasm)


NO sorry but the caller IDENTIFIED HIMSELF.  Unless you have other proof of 
the identity of the caller?  I think NOT


>> Really.   Where did I say that it is 100% fact?  I stated that the caller 
>> claimed responsibility.  So if a group claims responsibility, then they 
look 
>> guilty.  When, if this crime does, come to court, all our answers will be 
>> solved, as to who did it, and what group they represent.
>
>Oh. So your BBS ad, which states unequivocally that Zundel's home was
>burned down by JAR terroists is what, a suggestion ? Or do you know admit
>that you position is nothing more than a claim which has no TANGIBLE
>proof, which would be accepted in a court of law?

Well we are not in a court of law, and there is not a judge here to say what 
is acceptable or not.

Of course it's a claim.  Anything I say is my claim.  I do not know the 
identity of the person who poured a substance over Zundels house.  But the 
Jewish Armed Resistance claimed responsibility, so why would I not think it 
was them?  


>> 
>> I never claimed it was an "unassailable fact"  I said that no one has 
proven 
>> to me that the person who claimed responsibility is not who he said he was.
>> 
>
>Se above.

Why you didn't answer it there either.


>
>> >
>> >Ah-ha, but I said you did not. So, until you prove otherwise, the world
>> >will know that MARC LEMIRE has no education, no life, and no dictionary
>> >(the last of which is evidenced by articles constantly littered with poor
>> >spelling.)
>> 
>> 
>> Well you are entitled to your own opinion.  The complete stupidness of your 
>> last question/respone requires no response from me.
>> 
>As are you. But as I have told someone who has already flamed me for saing
>this, I wished to make two points. First, in stating this I used the same
>stunted logic you have been using. Prove to me otherwise that you have all
>three of the above and I will change my position. Someone (me) has made
>the above claim, and until I am shown to be in error, I will accept this
>claim as fact. Sound familiar? Yes, it is the same reasoning you have
>used, which demonstrates a complete lack of thought and shows only hatred
>and spite.



Hatred to who?  and what lack of thought.

Just because you people do not want to believe that the Jewish Armed 
Resistance claimed responsibility, thats not my fault,  but to say I only show 
Hatred and spike is a very stupid thing to say,  And quite ignorant to say on 
your part.



Marc



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In article <40o925$dqo@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
 
>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>>>what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>>>hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.
>>Under our sheets???
>
>	It's just suddenly struck me why Marc Lemire seems so upset about the
>sheets remark - he's afraid that people will think he's under-endowed!!!

Boy you are quite an intelligent person. 


>	That reminds me: a man goes into a shop to buy condoms and the
>assistant asks him "What size do you want: Small, Medium or Liar?"

I suppose small is a bit too big for you... 'eh Derek?


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is telling the truth
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In article <40p3v0$n67@access4.digex.net>,

>In article <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>In article ,
>>There is quite alot more evidence.  if you chose to ignore it that is your 
>>problem.
>>
>>There is the phone call, where a person claiming to be from the Jewish Armed 
>>resistance claimed responsibility for the firebombing.  (Toronto Sun May 8, 
>>1995)  There is the remarks by the Metro Toronto Police that they are 
>>investigating the Jewish Armed Resistance (Toronto Sun  May 11, 1995)
>
>    If I were to place a phone call to a reporter saying, "Hi, my name is
>Marc Lemire and I'd like to talk to you, you see my conscience is troubing
>me about " do you think that you too
>might be investigated by the police?  I mean, that phone call IS strong
>evidence that you committed the murder, isn't it?  And then the fact that
>the police start investigating you is practically absolute proof! 

I never said it was absolute proof.  I just offered it as some proof of why I 
believe why it was the Jewish Armed Resistance who are the ones responsible 
for the Fiorbombing of Zundels home.



Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Response to Lemire, Racist & Revisionist at Large
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In article <40pi11$e5q@lyorn.mdd.comm.mot.com>,
   campbell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote:

>
>Unh, actually the flaw in his logic is a false syllogism.  You know,
>where there is smoke, there is fire...
>
>In this case we have someone claiming that someone else dialed from 
>a number the caller claimed was the JDL.  Multiple applications of
>false syllogism.  Malfunctioning logic unit, I'd say.
>
>The only thing that forces me not to completely rule out the JDL's
>complicity in Zundels' Bar-b-que is that if I was a 70 year old
>death camp survivor, I might just be tempted to go do a _real_
>shake-an-bake job on him -- just for lying about me.

Well the person on the Video tape was in his 30's.  Not 70's.


>
>Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) wrote:
>
>: > >>And I think there is evidence.  They claimed responsibility, they gave
>: > >>the number, they called dunphy, etc.
>: > >
>: > >Again, no. Someone claimed responsibility, someone gave their number,
>: > >someone called Dunphy. You have no idea what the actual identity of
>: > >the person who made the phone call is. You cannot therefore conenct
>: > >him positively with the JAR.
>: > 
>: > So you have alternative informatin about the phone call?  Do you have
>: > proof that someone other that the Jewish Armed Resistance made the
>: > call?
>: > 
>
>
>: Boy oh Boy Lemire. Your lack of even the most basic logic and your
>: dogmatic refusal to admit your outright stupidity amazes me to no end.
>
>: Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called,
>: and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic.

HE IS CLAIMING THAT THE CALLER WASN'T FROM THE JAR.  So I asked him for facts. 
That is not moronic.

>: You are asking someone to prove a negative.  Just because you can't prove
>: that it is not, that doesn't mean that it is. I and many others think you
>: and all revisionists are inbred little weasels. Until you can prove
>: otherwise, then that is exactly what you all are.

The caller said he was.  I can't 100% prove who he was, and you cannot prove 
who he isn't.  So we are at a stand still.  I can believe that he might be and 
you can believe that he might not be.... 

GOOD NOW WE HAVE IT SOLVED.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article <40pma0$jih@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote:

>
>In article <40khbv$df5@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>In article <409erd$fca@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>>Gee they must be still around if they are burning Zundels house
>>>Excuse me for repeating myself, Mr. Lemire, but what proof do you
>>>have that a "Jewish Armed Resistance" "are burning Zundels house?"
>>Boy are you hard headed.  I am NOT going to go over and over it with you 
until 
>>your closed mind can actually understand.
>
>Okelydokely Marc.  It looks like we're going to have to Burdi you too... 
>(That is, we're going to have to badger you until you claim someone was 
>using your E-Mail address, and then disappear.)

Oh don't you worry buddy.   I'll be here for a long time.  Even if you guys 
want to badger me.



>
>MArc, YOU said, and say to this day, that some group called the Jewish 
>Armed Resistance burned Zundel's house...yet no charges have been laid, 
>and there isn't any proof that the Jewish Armed Resistance (if it's even 
>a real group) set the house alight.  Now, nobody's claiming the JAR 
>(nice acronym...) diddn't do it, but don't claim that they did do it, 
>based soley on a phone call.  For all we know (and what I suspect) 
>Zundel had one of his Aryan Supertwinks torch his place, while he was 
>conveniently in Vancouver.  He gets media attention, and he gets to 
>blame EVIL JEWS for this "act of terror".

What a stupid thing to say.   Zundel did NOT burn his own place.  He lost out 
big time in it.  If your going to burn your house, would you not want to at 
least profit from it?


>>>Earlier discussions relating to this silliness make it clear that
>>>you have none whatsoever.
>>Actually it shows that YOU really had no evidence.  But nice try!
>
>No evidence of what Marc?  You seem to be missing the point here, you're 
>the one being called into question on your factual data.

NO he called me a liar and other names, for which I am refering to there.  And 
he also does not have ANY evidence that the JAR did not do it.

Marc




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>>There a Nazi plot under every rock eh?!
>
>No, just a Nazi.  Plots require planning, planning requires independant 
>thought. 
>
>>>There is no proof that _you_, Mr. Lemire, did not make that call,
>>>or, for that matter, that _I_ did not make that call.
>>Well sure there is.  Bill Dunphy knows me and most likley could recognize my 
>>voice on the phone.  After all I ran a hotline in the Toronto area for over 
1 
>>and a half years.  As for you.  Well I doubt that even you are stupid enough 
>>to do such a thing.
>
>Oh, that was you?   Ahahahahah!   You should have made it a sex-line, 
>there would have been more money and less lies.





Your stupidness isn't even worth more of a reply.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article <40pnqc$sum@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote:

>In article <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>>Boy oh Boy Lemire. Your lack of even the most basic logic and your
>>>dogmatic refusal to admit your outright stupidity amazes me to no end.
>>>Your asking for proof that the called wasn't a member of the so-called,
>>>and likely non-existant Jewish Armed Resistance is moronic.
>>
>>Why is it "moronic"?  They claim it was not the Jewish Armed Resistance. Why 
>>should they not have to prove that it wasn't them.
>
>Marc, you drooler!  I can't believe that you perpetrate to be a 
>revisionist with an attitude like that!  Innocent until proven guilty, 
>remember?  Any asshole can "drop a dime" and call in saying that they're 
>the JAR, or whoever, but it doesn't make it fact.  

I have already posted here that I am NOT a Revisionist.  So get it right.



I deleted the rest, since it's so stupid, I am not going to waste any more of 
my time with you.



Marc



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In article ,
   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>
>> oooohhhh darn you caught me.    You totally right....  It was me who 
started 
>> the fire.  How did you ever figure it out. Boy you and McVay seem to see a 
>> Nazi conspiracy under every rock.
>> 
>Well, now that THAT is over with, let's move on to something else, shall we?
> 
>By the way, the only thing we find under rocks is slime like you, Marc.


Quite an intelligent thing to say.  Typical of you people. 


Marc



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In article ,
 
>> In article <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>>    kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>> 
>> >No guilt. No finger. Just Lemire, liar.
>> >
>> 
>> gee thats a good line Kenny-boy.  But what the hell does it mean?
>> 
>> NO finger. Just Lemire, lair?  I don't get what you mean
>> 
>
>Of course you don't get it. For one thing, you don't know the difference
>between a liar and a lair. (Wanna go for bonus points, tell us what a lyre
>is.)

Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  Don't quite your day job.  (I hope it's not 
like McVay in a gas station)


 
>What it means, pure and simple, is that no one has been found guilty. No
>one has been fingered for the crime. Yet you continue to promote your
>"guilty until proven innocent" theories and refuse to admit that your
>facts are a bit ... in error.

I never said that they were 100% guilty... THEY DID.  They claimed the 
firebombing NOT ME.  SO why are you trying to push the blame past THEM.  They 
called Dunphy, Not ME.

 
>And THAT makes you a liar. I don't know if you live in a lair or play a
>lyre, but you ARE a liar.

Well it's a free country and your entitled to your opinion. 


Marc



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In article ,

>In article <40kj98$df5@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>
>> 
>> Thanks for the advice.  Fortunatley, I have a life, an education and also a 
>> dictionary.
>> 
>The for GOD'S SAKE, Marc, START USING IT!!!
> 
>The word is FORTUNATELY, stupid.
>

Well I am in such a rush to answer all the messages you people write I do not 
have the time to waste looking for stupid typing speed errors like that one.

You will just have to forgive me.


Marc





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In article ,
   schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <40kjs2$df5@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> >
>> >    Marc,
>> >
>> >     I suggest you learn something of netiquette as it's obvious you're
>> >   intentionally spamming.
>> >
>> If your going to call me a "spammer"  why don't you call McVay a spammer 
also?
>> 
>
>NYAH!
> 
>What a remarkably intelligent retort, Marc. Truly worthy of someone of
>your intellectual caliber. 
> 
>Ken McVay posts in alt.revisionism. You can't spam a single Usenet group
>when what you're posting is ON-TOPIC. Advertising your BBS has NOTHING to
>do with the discussions that ought to be taking place here.

What kind of planet are you on?  My BBS has all to do with alt.revisionism, 
alt.politics.white-power, alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads.

My bbs is a place where discussion like these go on every day.  My BBS is 100% 
 ON-Topic to the topics discussed here.

If you don't see that.... OPEN YOUR EYES!

Marc




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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:26 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40o8h0$dhb@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,

>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>Under our sheets???
>
>	Presumably he is comparing you to the KKK, unless you have a habit
>of making proclamations from bed!
>

I DO NOT represent the Klan, so that stupid remark about sheets is 1. very 
outdated 2. very incorrect.



>>What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy?
>
>>The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more 
>>support by the day.
>
>	And a much larget opposition!
>

Not really.  If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of 
people.  My E-mailing list is around 700+ people.  Combine that with others we 
have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us.  So we are winning 
the war on the Internet... NOT YOU!


>>The only thing you have accomplished is to make yourself look like an idiot.
>
>	You're talking to yourself now!
>

I should be talking to you actually.


>	By the way, that .signature of yours is one of the biggest warlords
>I've ever seen! (No, that's not a compliment!)

"biggest warlords"?  Have you been smoking too much crack latley?




Here's my "warlord ad"  just for you Derek.


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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:30 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article <40o8o7$dlk@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>Gee in you first answer we should be locked away, in your second answer we 
>>should be allowed to speak.
>
>	Ok, I was a little sloppy in my wording; I should have said:
>"I agree that they are disgusting, but I disagree with the idea that they
>should be jailed just for expressing an idea, however obnoxious that idea is.
>If they cause violence, they should be tried just as any other person accused
>of causing violence."
>
>	Happy now?
>
Only if you are!


>>You and McVay must get alone quite well.  You both seem to think the same
>
>	I imagine Ken & I do agree on many issues.
>

Thats nice.



Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:34 PDT 1995
Article: 31480 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article ,

>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>In article <408601$bp2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>>   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>>Come on Mr McVay.  I said they are the most likley suspects.  The Police are 
>>looking into them and they have asked the FBI to help.  So no only I 
consider 
>>them suspects.
>
>> [...deletia...]
>
>>I never said they are 100% guilty, no matter what.  I said they are the most 
>>likley suspects.
>
>You are once again lying, Lemire.
>
>The following is a direct quote from your ubiquitous BBS
>advertisement:
>
>>         NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
>>              including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
>>          which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       
>
>This can only mean that you consider the Jewish Armed Resistance 100%
>guilty. You make no mention of their being only "the most likley (sic)
>suspects".
>
>We again find that you are only too willing to bend the facts -- even
>the facts about what you yourself have said -- to fit your immediate
>needs.

Well I guess you have not seen the revised version of that BBS advertisement 
where I mention that they claim responsibility in the Toronto Sun.  

I am not lying.  I did however not make my point 100% clear in the original 
BBS ad.

Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:38 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ANOTHER LIE FROM MCVAYS FTP SITE
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In article ,

>In article <40n365$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>
>> >There are quite a number of people here on BOTH SIDES of the arguments who
>> >read things like alt.sex.bondage. (I hear your snide remark: "How would
>> >you know?" And the answer is simple: Because I read it too. Does that make
>> >me a sex pervert?) Does that make any of those people sex perverts?
>> > 
>> 
>> It all depend on your own personal views.  If you do not consider things 
like 
>> S & M or whips and chains sick....  Well that is your right.
> 
>Well, the DSM IV does not consider S&M behavior "sick." But of course, you
>know more than they do, right?

Who is the DSM IV?   

Oh ya and read what I said.  IT'S DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS!

 
>> I also have the right to decide how I would like my sexual encounters.  I 
>> personally do not feel like getting beat up while having sex.  But if you 
do, 
>> well I guess thats your problem.
>> 
>WHOA!!! Now WHO is calling WHO?! I never said I liked anything of the
>sort. Once again, you're jumping to major conclusions here. The fact that
>I read asb is no different than the fact that Leuchter reads asb. Neither
>of us is a pervert.

I never said you do.....  NOTICE I USED THE WORD "BUT"  



>> >Please identify some  well'known "sex perverts" for me, so I can
>> >understand why Leuchter's subscription to an adult BBS offends you so
>> >much. (He IS over 21, isn't he?)
>> 
>> It is not so much if Leuchter is a pervert or not.  The point is that 
>> Leuchters sexual life is of no concern to us.  It has NO bearing on his 
>> credibility.
>> 
>True. I agree. So does Mr. McVay. Next.

Then whay was it on his FTP site for so long?  He must on know since it caused 
such a big controversy last year.


>> But Mr McVay had this file on is FTP site for the world to download.  I 
think 
>> that is wrong and I exposed him for lieing about Leuchter.  (Fred Leuchter 
>> denies being on such BBS's)
>> 
>> I take great offence to Mr McVay trying to harm Mr. Leuchters credibility 
by 
>> lieing about him.  I think that is very wrong of him.  In Mr. McVays 
defence, 
>> he says he has taken the file off his FTP site.  I have not been there for 
a 
>> while, so I can not confirm or deny this.  Mind you the whole time he
>asserted 
>> that the file is true and that Leuchter is on the sex BBS's the file refers 
>> to.
>
>This is the rub, isn't it. You keep insisting that Leuchter's membership
>on these BBSes is a lie. It's all easily verified you know. Mr. McVay
>doesn't have to do a damn thing to damage Leuchter's credibility. Leuchter
>has done that all by himself, by lying (please note spelling) about his
>experience, his expertise, and his qualifications. I saw the file you
>posted and thought it merely a way to contact Leuchter through the BBSes
>he belongs to. Maybe I'll even go to an asb munch in Boston one of these
>days, to meet old Fred.
> 
>It depends on how you look at things. You see a list of BBSes Leuchter
>belongs to, and call it an attempt to make him look like a pervert.
> 
>I see the same list and say, "Oh! I can contact him directly through THESE
>BBSes. Great!"
> 
>Point of view. Ain't it great?


That certainly is a point of view.

BTW, What the hell is an ASB MUNCH?


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:41 PDT 1995
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In article <40lmns$1d0@ionews.io.org>, kamamer@io.org (karl mamer) wrote:
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>From: kamamer@io.org (karl mamer)
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>Subject: Re: >>>CANADA'S FREE SPEECH BBS <<< NOW OVER 500 USERS!!!
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>
>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>
>> >
>> >I think the phrase "Nazis, fuck off" says it best.
>
>> I think the phrase shut up might be suited for you.
>
>Whatever you say, Marc.

I am not a NAZI.  And never will be a member of the Nazi party.  So to call me 
a Nazi is quite an ignorant statement.


>
>> ******************************************************
>> **           CANADIAN PATRIOTS NETWORK              **
>> ******************************************************
>
>How do you define "patriot"? It seems to me patriots
>fought and died to erase the nazi stain?

I would define a Patriot as someone who loves their contry and is willing to 
die for it. Or someone who is willing to die for what they believe in.
I am willing to do both.

Their are patriots from every side of the war.  Their are Russian patriots, 
American Patriots, Canadian patriots, French patriots, British patriots, 
Jewish patriots and YES even German patriots.  Everybody has a different 
definition of who is a Patriot and who is not.  You may not consider Winston 
Churchhill to be a Patriot while some British do.  I may consider Ernst Zundel
to be a hero while you may not.  I may consider Wilfred Laurier a hero (which 
I do), while other Canadians may not.  

It's all up to who your personal patriots are.


Marc





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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:31:44 PDT 1995
Article: 31483 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Zundel on the ashpile of his story
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In article ,
   joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
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>From: joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Subject: Zundel on the ashpile of his story
>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:14:54
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>In article <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) writes:
>
>>That is total non-sense.  Mr. Zundel has very little insurance and the
>>insurance that he had only covered the shell of the house not the
>>contents.
>
>>So all the priceless old books that were lost were not covered, the
>>$30,000 high speed photocopier was not covered, all his personal
>>property was not covered... etc etc etc.
>
>Well, while it was -- whoever did it; I don't know and don't care -- wrong to 
>do, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Typical of you type of people.  How could you actually say "it couldn't have 
happened to a nicer guy"

I wish your home burned down and you lost priceless books and $30.000 dollor 
photocopiers.  Then your tune might change.


Violence because of political belief is discusting.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article ,
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>From: joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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>In article <3vd47h$11l@inforamp.net> cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire) writes:
>
>>That is total non-sense.  Mr. Zundel has very little insurance and the
>>insurance that he had only covered the shell of the house not the
>>contents.
>
>>So all the priceless old books that were lost were not covered, the
>>$30,000 high speed photocopier was not covered, all his personal
>>property was not covered... etc etc etc.
>
>Well, while it was -- whoever did it; I don't know and don't care -- wrong to 
>do, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Typical of you type of people.  How could you actually say "it couldn't have 
happened to a nicer guy"

I wish your home burned down and you lost priceless books and $30.000 dollor 
photocopiers.  Then your tune might change.


Violence because of political belief is discusting.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article <40lrkh$b0i@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>,
   devens@uoguelph.ca (David L Evens) wrote:
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>Date: 13 Aug 1995 21:42:41 GMT
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>In article  Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) 
wrote:
>: devens@uoguelph.ca (David L Evens) wrote:
>
>: >In article  Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) 
wrote:
>
>: >: Does Dunphy's article (to which you have conveniently neglected to
>: >: give a precise reference) say that a Jewish group claimed
>: >: responsibility, or that someone called _claiming_ to be with a Jewish
>: >: group, and claimed responsibility?


Yes the Toronto Sun's Bill Dunphy published an article on May the 9/1995 where 
the headline is "Zionist group claims arson"  He goes on to say "A shadowy 
offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed responsibility for Sundays 
arson attack on the home of Neo-Nazi publisher Ernst Zundel"


>: >Had you read the article instead of merely quoting it, you'd not ask such 
>: >an idiotic question.
>
>: (1) I have not read the article. Lemire has said he'd post it; it has
>: yet to turn up under his imprimature. Lemire's account of what the
>: article supposedly said changes, generally as inconsistencies and
>: logical fallacies in Lemire's arguments are pointed out.


I am not going to retype the whole article in.  If you want it, get off your 
ass and get it yourself.  I will at many times quote from it, I gave it's 
date, what paper it's in and the author of it.  I wish I had more time in the 
day to do such things but I do not.  I go to college and I don't have time to 
type in things for you.  Sorry.

I have never said anything about the article that has supposidly changed.  


>: (2) Kindly point out to me at what point I quoted the article. I have
>: done no such thing.
>
>Two more idiotic statements.  You didn't read the article you quoted.
>
>: (3) Are you familiar with the concept of a rhetorical question?
>
>Yes, and it isn't suitable to pretend you were asking one to cover up you 
>r original idiotic question.
>
>: >: What Lemire seems to be unable or unwilling to understand is that
>: >: _anyone_ can do the latter. If you assert the former, however, you
>: >: need to be able to demonstrate that the caller was positively
>: >: indentified, and his affiliation with the group in question positively
>: >: established. Neither Lemire nor (to the best of my knowledge) the
>: >: Canadian law enforcement authorities have established these facts.
>: >: Lemire's entire argument ('da Joos burned down Zundel's house') rests
>: >: on his uncritical acceptance that what the caller claimed (affiliation
>: >: with a Jewish group) was true, without any independent confirmation of
>: >: that fact. If the caller had claimed to be with the Klingon Empire,
>: >: one wonders if Lemire would have believed that.

Well so far you people have not proven that the caller on the phone was not 
who he said he was.  So why should I change my opinion?

Look at the facts.

A person called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility for the arson.  He 
said he was from a group called the Jewish Armed Resistance movement.  The 
fire chief who was at the scene called it an Arson.  ON May 11/95 Metro Police 
Detective Mike Jackson says he's calling the FBI to help out.  He also says 
that he is going to look into the Jewish Armed Resistance, look in their 
backgrounds, ect.  5 days later Irv Rubin and Meir Halevi of the Jewish 
Defence League show up at Zundel's place and try to hop over the wooden 
barrier at the front of his house.  When thinking of the Jewish Defence League 
keep these things in mind:
1.  The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has declared them a Terrorist 
organization.
2. They have in the past done Arsons and made bombs (FBI report)  IN 1981 the 
Jewish Defence League did: 1 actual bombing, 1 attempted bombing, 2 actual 
firebombing's, 1 attempted Firebombing, 1 shooting and 1 takeover.  IN 1982 
the Jewish Defence League was a bit more active.  They did 5 actual Bombing's, 
 1 actual smoke bombing, and 1 arson.  They also killed 1 person(Arson at the 
Tripoli restaurant, New York) and injured 7 other people.
3. In Metro Toronto the Jewish Defence League had this to say in the Toronto 
Sun Dec 24/92.  Quote "We need to strike fear and terror into the hearts of 
the Neo-Nazi's.  We have to take concrete action"  

The Jewish Armed Resistance is an offshoot of the Jewish Defence League. 
(Toronto Sun May 9/95)



>: >The fact is that you can be a terrorist group all on your own.  The 
>: >Unabomber seems to be one, for instance.  You can also call yourself 
>: >anything you please.  In fact, you can BE anything you please.  It is 
>: >entirely possible that a lone person decided s/he was the group in 
>: >question, and wasn't going to tolerate any dissent about anything having 
>: >been inflicted on Jews.


It is quite possible that one person revived the Jewish Armed Resistance and 
is now on a burning, killing spree.


>: The fact is, the identity and affiliations, if any, of the person who
>: called Dunphy are unknown. Lemire assumes that it must have been a
>: member of a Jewish terrorist group. Why? Because the caller said he
>: was. Good, solid evidence, that.
>
>Much better than yours.


Thank you.  I thought i said it enough, but I guess some are still a bit slow 
understanding it.


>: It is entirely possible, as Ken McVay and I have pointed out, that it
>: was someone attempting to divert blame for the arson on a Jewish
>: group. Lemire chooses not to understand this.

You have no proof of that.

Why would someone do that?  It is possible but why?  Mr. Zundel does not care 
if Jewish people did it or White people did it.  I'm sure he just wants 
justice.  Mr. Zundel actually put up a $5,000 dollar reward for the arrest and 
conviction of the criminals who did this sick crime (Toronto Sun May 17/95)


Marc




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In article ,
   evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) wrote:

>In article ,
>	HAPLO  wrote:
>
>>Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law 
>>abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you 
>>stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his 
>>political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who 
>>has never done anything violent  commit such a violent crime?
>
>Because he is a zealot, and he seeks publiclty for himself.

Just because he seeks publicity, does not mean his house should be lit on 
fire, or bomb's let beside his garage.


Marc




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In article <40qcnq$cit@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,

>In article ,
>HAPLO  wrote:
>
>[Did Zundel torch his own home]
>
>>     Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law 
>>abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you 
>>stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his 
>>political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who 
>>has never done anything violent  commit such a violent crime?
>
>Well, simply as idle speculation, the man does have a history of
>theatrical behavior, and loves the limelight. He was ready with a
>statement to the media (radio, television, newspapers) very quickly,
>and got a lot of free publicity all over Canada... to Zundel, that
>tranlates into money for his cause.

Mr Zundel always has a fax machine near him.  Every news outlet in Canada 
knows his phone number (416-922-9850)  All Zundel had to do was stick a peice 
of paper in a fax machine with the number he was at and the media would flock 
to him.


>I think Zundel has long craved being able to replace Gary Lauck as
>the continent's (if not the world's) primary hate publisher, and now
>that Lauck is out of the picture, at least temporarily, Zundel might
>well have decided to create an opportunity to obtain sympathy, free
>advertising, and new customers all at once.

Well your wrong.  They are not in some kind of twisted power struggle like you 
are trying to make it out like.  They both publish books, but Zundel publishes 
different book's than Mr. Lauck.  



>Zundel probably made a bundle with his trials and subsequent
>reversal by the SCC, and this might well have been an attempt to do
>it again.
>
>Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun
>accused the JAR of arson....

I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson.  
What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story 
where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson.  You are taking my words 
out of context.


Marc



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In article ,
>From: evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch)
>>In article ,
>>	HAPLO  wrote:
>>
>>>Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law 
>>>abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you 
>>>stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his 
>>>political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who 
>>>has never done anything violent  commit such a violent crime?
>>
>>Because he is a zealot, and he seeks publiclty for himself.
>
>He's also more than a little cuckoo. Here we have the same fellow who
>expends much of his life energy trying to prove that the holocaust
>never occurred AND that there's a secret UFO base at the South Pole
>run by aliens from another planet. It's so fitting.
>
>And from this basis Haplo is trying to argue that the man is playing
>with a full deck, so how can anyone possibly suspect he'd do some
>nutty thing?
>
Seems like you are the one "not playing with a full deck"



>It hardly *proves* anything, but I think it's fair to say that
>deriving his innocence from the claim that he's a basically sane and
>stable guy is pretty funny. Seems obvious to me the man is two tacos
>short of a combo plate.


Once again, it seems that YOUR elevator does not quite reach the top.


Marc



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In article <40r6f6$1rhm@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: In article <40l8e2$11ts@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
>:    dglenfie@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (David Glenfield) wrote:
>: >Path: 
>: >
>: >: I am not revising history Mr McVay.  I am telling it how it is.
>: >
>: >"telling it how [you believe] it is" is how history is revised.  Happens 
>: >all the time and is why we have people who study history....
>
>: >Generally you can find the proof that "revisionist scholars" invent facts 
>: >in their own footnotes, or lack thereof.  Another reason we study history 
>: >- so that people who think can spot these fakers.  
>
>
>: Name a couple then.  Don't just say that they are liars.  Prove it.  Name 
this 
>: "revisionist scholar" that they invent facts in their footnotes.  
>
>Do you mean the revisionist stuff that Zundle comes up with?  I believe
>he's more of a publisher than an author, but I'm not sure.  Tell you 
>what, since it is unlikely that the two of us have read the same books, 
>how about you post the title and the author of, say, a WWII history text 
>that you'd recomend, I'll try to find and to read it.  Then we can talk.  
>Until then I'm not in a good position to argue this point other than to 
>do the "yes it is/no it's not" type of arguement.  Have you read Parker's 
>_The Struggle for Survival_?   Other than that right now all I can do is 
>generalize and say that when an author is trying to say that Hitler was 
>mis-understood, he's full of shit.  
>
>
>: I would be most interested to hear who these people are.
>
>Give me a book, and I'll tell you what I think about it.

If your looking for a historical debate... You have come to the wrong guy.  I 
am not a revisionist and never claim to be.  I am not that much into 
historical debates.  I prefer more recent issues.


Marc




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>In article <40n53o$p7k@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>In article <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote:
>>>BEcause Ken isn't advertising a BBS... He's posting facts..
>>BULLSHIT.  He posts files from his FTP site, which is an advertisement for 
his 
>>FTP site.  Besides.  I CAN post wherever I want top post.  These conferences 
>>are for discussion about Revisionism, White prides and other topics.  SO is 
my 
>>BBS.  SO if you don't like reading my BBS ad..... DON'T
>
>No no... Ken posts CONTENT, you SPAM.  Ken's posts are different every 

All it is, is a listing of the files availible via E-mail.  So I posted my 
Allfiles list for all to see.


>time, mabye they have information on where the files came from, but he 
>doesn't just post "GO SEE MY FTP SITE!!!!"  Which is what you are 
>doing every time you spame this NG with "CANADA'S LARGEST PRO-WHITE BBS!!!"

So what I try to attract people to my bbs.   Big deal.


>I don't read your BBS ads, but this comes down to simple rules of 
>netiquette, this ain't your BBS pinhead, other people own this network, 
>and you aren't god here.


Actually NO ONE OWNS THE INTERNET, PINHEAD!

>>>Hey, aren't 
>>>you the same skullfuck that was posting ads for Herr ZzzzZZundel's 
>>>little book o' forged evidence?  Namely "Did Six Million Really Die (or, 
>>Nope I have never posted an ad refering to the book "did six million really 
>>die?"  But nice try loser.
>
>Sorry, wrong book... the ad YOU posted was for a book about Zundel.  And 
>I remember getting E-Mail from you whining about wanting to be left 
>alone then too.  (I still have it if you'd like to see it.)


BULL SHIT.  You lying idiot.  I have never done such anything like that.  
Sorry, you must be thinking about every girl in the world.


>>>how I learned to stop worrying and hate the Jew)".  I think that was 
>>>you... Are you asking for donations for your BBS?  Mabye... I think 
>>>you're in the WP racket for the $$$.  I don't blame you, a group of 
>>>people that stupid deserve to get exploited.   
>>Since you are not in the White Power movement, your opinions on it are 
>>irrelevant.  We are not in this for the money.  Since everything I pay for 
>>comes out of my own pocket.  We are in this because this is a cause we 
believe 
>>in.
>
>Ahahahahahahha!!!   Bull-shit, through and through.  My opinion matters, 
>because if it diddn't, and you diddn't think it did, you'd probablyjust 
>ignore me...but you KNOW I and others are scaring of potential fodder 
>for your little game of Nazi chess.


YES thats it.  NAZI chess.  Fuck your awsome!


>You don't care?  Don't respond, let us cut you to little bits in front 
>of your Furher freinds.  But as I have said time and again, you WON'T, 
>because you know we're right, and you know we won't stop.

Nope I just like reading your stupid messages... So keep em coming!


>>>>I can post whatever I want, where every I want.  And I will not let an 
idiot 
>>>>like you tell me where I can post or not post.  
>>>Yes you can. So can I.  Don't you HATE it???
>>NO, why would I hate it?
>
>Look up a fiew lines.
>
>>You have just as much right to say what you want as I do.  
>
>Yep... So I guess you don't agree with National Socialism.


Nope.  I don't.  I believe in Direct Democracy.


Marc



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In article <40obe0$74r@grivel.une.edu.au>,

>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: 
>: 
>: A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed responsibility.  The caller 
said 
>: he was from the Jewish Armed Resistance.  
>: 
>: Also Mr. Dunphy (The reporter who took the call) would know my voice, so it 
>: certainly is not me.
>: 
>
>When I wanted to play a trick on my father, who is quite a card
>when it cmes to such thngs, I rang him and disguised my voice and
>accent.
>
>He fell for it, even though he has known me  and my voice longer 
>than I can claim to know him.
>
>Perhaps Mr Dunphy knows you more intimately than my father knows me,
>or perhaps he is impervious to disguises or perhaps you are incapable
>of such subterfuge, or perhaps.....


Yep, a Nazi under every rock.  It must have been me who made the call.  I put 
a real good Jewish accent on and called up my buddy Dunphy.   "Oy Vay...   I 
am from the Joowish Armed Resistance....  I burned that Naazi Zundel out.  
Death to all nazi's"


Marc



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Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news!
>The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax 
>for sure.  Come on stop bullshitting.

Right, it was only claimed to be a call from a group which has been
defunct for around 20 years.

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In article ,

> Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) chunders on:
> 
>> There is quite alot more evidence.  if you chose to ignore it that is your 
>> problem.
>> 
>> There is the phone call, where a person claiming to be from the Jewish 
Armed 
>> resistance claimed responsibility for the firebombing.  (Toronto Sun May 8, 
>> 1995)  There is the remarks by the Metro Toronto Police that they are 
>> investigating the Jewish Armed Resistance (Toronto Sun  May 11, 1995) There 
is 
>> the heads of the Canadian and American Jewish Defence Leagues trying to hop 
>> over the protective barrier at the Zundel location(Only a few days 
>> afterward)(Now Magazine May 18-24, 1995).  But when looking at the Jewish 
>> Defence league you must take into account that the Jewish Armed Resistance 
is 
>> an offshoot of the Jewish Defence league.  That Irv Rubin came all the way 
up 
>> from the New York to do it.  The Jewish Defence League is classed as a 
>> Terrorist organisation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)  and 
they 
>> have been responsible for numerous Arsons and bombings in the past.
> 
> This is fascinating, if only to see Mr. Lemire's thought processes at
> work. First, the phone call, which was from a person claiming that he
> spoke for a little-known terrorist organization and claimed responsibility
> for the burning of Zuendel's bunker. Not evidence. Then we have the
> Toronto Metro Police, quite properly stating that they were following a
> lead--they follow lots of leads, and obviously had to track this one down.
> Again, not evidence. Then, sometime after the firebombing, we have a
> couple of JDL people showing up, probably to gloat. They have never been

Oh ya just some no-body people eh?  They are the HEADS OF THE CANADIAN AND 
AMERICAN JEWISH DEFENCE LEAGUE.


> connected to the act itself, and no arrests were made. This isn't
> evidence. Finally, we are told that the JDL has done terrorist things at
> other times. But this doesn't mean they were behind this particular
> bombing, nor, for that matter, the FLQ bombings in Quebec, the pub
> bombings in Belfast, or the Oklahoma bombings. Again, not evidence.


But the Jewish Defence League has done VERY similar things like this in the 
past.  SO if all of a sudden 2 leaders of the JDL show up in Toronto right 
after such a big event.  That is more that just coming to "gloat" as you like 
to think.
 
> Lemire and his followers have no concept of what evidence is, nor of
> logical links between facts; rather, they seem to be into free
> association. And they won't stop hallucinating, so I would suggest that we
> leave them to it.
> 

Your ignorace come through quite clear.  If the facts don't go your way, well 
lets put the issue to rest... Quickly.

Sorry but thats not how things work.


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Wed Aug 16 17:33:45 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is lying
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In article <40oeiv$i36@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>oooohhhh darn you caught me.    You totally right....  It was me who started 
>>the fire.  How did you ever figure it out. Boy you and McVay seem to see a 
>>Nazi conspiracy under every rock.
>
>	He's taking the piss out of you. Here's a quarter, go buy yourself a 
>clue!

Taking the piss out of me?  Boy I hope he's not doing it with his mouth.... 
Now thats a sick thought!


Marc




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In article ,

>In article <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org says...
>>
>>In article ,
>>HAPLO  wrote:
>>>  I just have to jump in here. I seen the paper in wich Mr. Dunphy does 
>>>in fact claim he received a call from a Jewish group claiming 
>>>responsiblity.
>>
>>Yeah, I've seen it too.. and they never accused this Jewish Group, just 
>>said they got the call.  Claiming the Jewish Armed Resistance did it 
>>without proof would be journalistic suicide.  
>>
>>
>>I still think Zundel had some asshole light up his house while he was in 
>>Vancouver...convenient isn't it?

Why on earth would Zundel burn his own house?  Why would zundel burn his 
pricless books? and almost kill the person who was watching his house?

Nazi under every rock 'eh?



Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article ,
   atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:

>In article <40n53o$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>I still do not understand how you can sysop a BBS, and yet fail utterly to
>understand the basic use of a text editor.
>
>  :Since you are not in the White Power movement, your opinions on it are 
>  :irrelevant.
>
>This is the second time around for this odd bit of reasoning. By your own
>criteria, Mr. Lemire, as you are not black or jewish, your opinions of
>these groups is irrelevant.


Why don't you put what the other person said?

He said they we "WP types" are getting ripped off in some kind of a racket.  
SO I said since you are not in the White Power movement your opinion on it is 
irrelevant.  Because how would he know if we are getting ripped off by our own 
people, since he does not know any of them.



Marc




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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Zundel and the UFO's (Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth)
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In article ,
>HAPLO  wrote:
>
># Well Lets see why would he do such a thing?
>
>Who knows, maybe those UFO's he used to talk about
>ordered him to do so?
>
>Zundel used to write articles about a "secret UFO
>base" in the South Pole. He claimed the Nazis built
>these UFO's and fled there when the Reich fell, and that
>they are still there.
>
>Zundel's followers nowadays claim he only "did it
>for the publicity". I think there's a much simpler
>explanation: like most other "Holocaust revisionists",
>Zundel's crazy.
>
>Or there may be another explanation. Didn't Zundel also
>publish ads, stating he wants to launch an expedition
>to the South Pole, to look for these UFO's, and didn't
>he ask for donations to fund this expedition? What
>does this reflect on one's character?

Bullshit.  Where did he do this?

Your statements show quite nicley your hateful character.


Marc



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Subject: Re: Dachau gas chamber story blow apart
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In article ,
>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>
>>HAHHAHAHA.  Sure he saw a "gas chamber"  but it was never used to KILL 
ANYONE.
>
>Oh. Well, that explains everything. Never mind.

Why did you not quote the rest of my message?  Especially where I mention that 
the Dachau "gas chamber" has a REMOVABLE SIGN that says that NO one was gassed 
there!



Marc



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>haplo@idirect.com (HAPLO) writes:
>
>> >
>> >I still think Zundel had some asshole light up his house while he was in 
>> >Vancouver...convenient isn't it?
>> 
>>   
>>      Well Lets see why would he do such a thing? he has been a law 
>> abiding citizen for years has never been convicted of a crime and yet you 
>> stand there and claim that he probally did it himself SOLY for his 
>> political belief. WOW. That is something . What would make such a man who 
>> has never done anything violent  commit such a violent crime?
>> 
>
>Well, aside from insurance money, maybe he's trying to pin it on
>a certain class of people? And wasn't Zundel deported at one time
>or another?


NO.  From my understanding they tried to deport him, but he fought the order 
and won.

But I am not totally sure.


Marc




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In article , beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote:

>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>: I have made very resonable statements.  If you don't like them well thats 
too 
>: bad.
>
>     Ah yes, Marc Lemire, the voice of "reson".

Thats right!


Marc





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In article <40suj3$qmm@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com>,
>From the smoke and mush, Lemire wrote:
>>I have told you enough times Mr. McVay.  If you do not like the facts I 
bring 
>>up... Too bad.
>
>Hey - is my site not getting any of the articles that Marc's posted that 
have,
>you know, *facts* in 'em? All I'm getting here is poorly spelled bluster
>repeated ad infinitum. Has the Canclepoodle peed on his puttees or what?
>
>Inquiringly,
>Gregory
>


I have posted the facts.   try reading them sometimes.


Marc



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In article , beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote:
>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>: he also does not have ANY evidence that the JAR did not do it.
>
>   BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!
>
>   Whadda joke! BBS Boy thinking that the basic idea behind justice is to
>   prove you DIDN'T do something. Is that like, Canadian justice or 
something?

Yes it's called a Reverse onest (sp?) situation.

If you are charged with something like child molesting, you have to prove you 
didn't do it.

Check out the Canadian Law books.  It's in there.


>
>   No evidence the JAR didn't do it? Nope -- t'ain't got any, nor do I have
>   evidence that the Illuminati, Bob Dobbs, Bigfoot, the Grey or Elvis didn't
>   do it either! It must be a conspiracy! They all didn't do it together!

Well Mr. McVay seems to think there is some "nazi" conspiracy... not me.

I am only pointing MY finger at the parties who are most likely quilty.


>   For this leap of logic, I here-by dub Marc Lemire "JAR-Head". WElcome to
>   your new nickname! Hope you enjoy it!
>

I kinda liked BBS boy better :)


Marc



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In article , beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote:

>(cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>:I am not a NAZI.  And never will be a member of the Nazi party.  So to call 
me 
>:a Nazi is quite an ignorant statement.
>
>     And believe me, if there's one thing this guy knows about, it's ignorant
>     statements!
>

You are the one who made the statement that I am a nazi.  So YOU are the one 
who knows about Ignorant statements.



Marc



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In article <40t3th$lrc@knot.queensu.ca>, 3arb@qlink.queensu.ca (Andy) wrote:
>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: >Zundel probably made a bundle with his trials and subsequent
>: >reversal by the SCC, and this might well have been an attempt to do
>: >it again.
>: >
>: >Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun
>: >accused the JAR of arson....
>
>: I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson.  
>: What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story 
>: where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson.  You are taking my 
words 
>: out of context.
>
>The JAR? There is no such thing. Any idiot can make up a piece of paper 
>claiming responsibility on behalf of a fictional organisation. I think 
>it's quite likely that given the similarity of names between the JAR and 
>the WAR (White Aryan Resistance) it's MORE likely that the Jewish Armed 
>Resistance is simply a white racists idea of what a Jewish group might 
>call itself. Jews have always been used by Nazis as scapegoats and it 
>wouldn't surprise me if Zundel and company forged a claim of 
>responsibility in order to blame it on the Jews. 

Boy thats a good one.  The Jewish Armed Resistance is really the White Aryan 
Resistance!  How did you ever figure it out.  Fuck, your intelligence is quite 
superior!


Marc



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Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 09:59:30 GMT
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In article <40t4ub$23r@nanaimo.island.net>,

>In article <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>[mcvay] My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!"
>>>Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish
>>>and Zionist organization should be paying me?  While you're at it,
>>>please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can
>>>get my letterheads printed correctly.
>
>>OK Kenny-boy.  Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network.  Their address is 6 
Ben 
>
>That's _really_ funny :-)

I bet it is.  


>>Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel.  Your contact person is Zvi Lando.  (The 
follwoing 
>>information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149.  
>>ISSN number 1081-2385.  The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale 
>>Research Inc.)
>
>This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier!


Are you saying that the book is lying?   Are you denying that you are 
not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network?



>>Also according to the article on you in the Globe and Mail on Oct 18, 1994 
you 
>>are also recieving a collection of money to buy you a new computer, and a 
more 
>>direct link to the Internet, from Prof. Swartz (Prof at Simon Frazer 
>>University) and the United Church.
>
>You are behind the times, Mr. Lemire, to say the least... the new computer
>(nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) went on-line on April 20 of this year. The
>United Church agreement expired on March 31 of this year, and was not
>renewed (at my request, the funding was moved closer to home, and
>was once again a temporary agreement - which expires on October 1,
>when I hope to have my foundation registered with the Canadian government),
>etc.
>
>All of this information, by the way, is clearly outlined on the Nizkor
>Web, at www.almanac.bc.ca for those who, unlike Mr. Lemire,  like
>to know what's really going on.


So who is paying you now?


>>For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the 
>>Internet costs" let me fill you in.
>>
>>A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's 
>>largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.  If he is 
really 
>>pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE 
>>THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.  This connection runs off a PPP capable 
synchronous 
>>router and can run all Internet functions (WWW, Telnet, E-mail, UseNet etc)
>
>My 28.8k PPP link costs me $350.00 a month, and was paid by public donation.
>That, too, is public information, and always has been.

I never said it wasn't.  I was just replying to you who asked who  was paying 
you.


>Before Mr. Lemire arrived on the scene, back when Mr. Hoffman and Mr. (Tim)
>McCarthy were making similar (and equally silly) claims, I promised both
>of them that any donations would be used to put a server on the net.
>Six months later, I delivered on the promise.

Why are these claim's "silly"  Is it silly to ask you where you get your money 
from?  

Of course it's not.  If you are making public where you get money from, well 
thats great.  I would personally like to know. (Out of interest)


>The computer, by the way, Mr. Lemire, was _given_ to me by a Vancouver
>dealer who couldn't sell it because it was obsolete (486/33). He is,
>for the record, a conservative Christian.

What a nice guy.



>>That should put the question to rest of where McVay gets his funding.  (At 
>>least the printed places)  
>
>The source of my funding has never been anything but public, Mr. Lemire.
>You'll find references to it all over my Web site. (Does it surprise you to
>learn that people will assist an effort to combat hate on the net, Mr.
>Lemire? Personally, I hope they continue to do so, so I can replace this
>486 with a SPARC 50 and a Ubiquity line. I'll be able to do a much more
>efficient job then.)


No it does not surprise me.  Actaully I wish you the best of luck.



>People also donate their time, Mr. Lemire - research, HTML programming,
>transcription service... volunteers, all. Thanks to them, we will
>soon begin the job of converting fifty megs of material to HTML,
>adding the complete IMT set, and stuff like that.

Well thats great.  I can't wait to see it.


>We might even start an "Adopt a Hate-Monger" program, wherein volunteers
>will agree to donate an hour of their time every time their adopted
>hatemonger posts an article here. Perhaps someone will adopt _you_,
>Mr. Lemire, so you, too, will be actively contributing to the value
>of my WWW site... given your habit of spamming all over the net, I'd
>really like that!

Gee I hope you adopt me.  I would love to argue with you till we both go blue 
in the face.

Maybe us "Nazi's" should have an "adopt-a-jew" program.   Who knows maybe I'll 
be the volunteer who gets you.



>Watch for an announcement about the "Adopt a Hate-Monger" campaign,
>which may appear here within the next month. (We're not quite ready
>for the expected flood of volunteers from this program, but should be
>soon, so if you'd like to donate an hour of your time for every Lemire
>post, hold the though, but don't narrow your sights on Lemire... you
>have a rich source of hatemongers to choose from, and the others might
>feel slighted if they were unable to contribute to the success of the
>Nizkor Web because no-one would adopt them!)
>
>Feel free to make a donation - I'll see to it that you receive your
>tax deduction.


Wow... You even get to give tax deductions.   Boy you really have set up quite 
a nice business.



>An American agency (not remotely Jewish, not that it matters) should
>be announced soon.
>
>Thank you for raising the issue of funding again, Mr. Lemire. The last
>time that was done here, I received donations from all over the world;
>these donations were sufficient to provide the internet link for an entire
>year... with any luck at all, you might be able to claim responsibility
>for keeping me on the net for another year - nice gesture.


Well You know, being the nice guy that I am.

Oh by the way, thanks to you I have gotten quite alot of new prospects to our 
Internet Mailing service, and we have also received a nice amount of Donations 
to keep Canada's most controversial BBS going.  So I guess we help each other.


Marc






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From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:23 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.politics,ont.general
Subject: Re: Nazi's in the Canadian Armed Forces
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 10:20:52 GMT
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In article ,

>Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White Power BBS in
>Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the Canadian Armed Forces. 

I am not a Nazi apologist.  Where is the proof to this bullshit!



>Without inviting a flame war, I would be interested in debate on the
>following: do Canadian citizens have an interest in just who is "standing
>on guard for thee"? Was Somalia, in fact, an aberration, or is there a
>more general problem? Was Tory Minister of Defence Harvie Andre right when

Even in Somalia, Canadian Peacekeepers were reguarded as the best trained and 
most reliable.  Untill the poor peacekeepers came home to a firestorm of 
critisism, they had high moral.   

But it is typical to the Canadian attitude.   When the Americans have a Hero 
they flaunt him all over television and give him medals galore.  If they are 
lucky they will even meet the President.  But in Canada, a Hero is treated 
nice for a day, then thats it.  No meeting with the Prime Minister, no big 
medal ceromonies, no big hoopla.

That is why the Moral in the Canadian Forces is quite low right now.  Everyday 
they turn on the TV and the government is fucking them.  Shutting down the 
Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit.

There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will in the 
end only create more.  You have to remember that most CF soldiers are White 
and are males.  And in situations like they are put in everyday, Race is NOT a 
factor.   We consider ourselves a big group.

Being a Medic, I would still put my life on the line for someone who is not 
White.  It's all part of the job.  Just like being in the Airborne.  They all 
have a respect for each other.  Even if they are racist inside, it does not 
get in the way of teh duty and job they have.  When racism does get in the way 
and their duties cannot be fufilled.  Then that person is let go from Military 
service.


>he stated that nazis should be permitted in the Canadian Armed Forces
>because this was a matter of freedom of belief? Or are there wider policy
>implications involved?

I must agree with him.  There are every kind of racist in the Canadian Forces. 
 There are Black racists, White racists, Oriental racists, etc.  But in our 
charter of rights and freedoms, we are guarenteed the right to have our own 
beliefs and opinions.  If I feel superior because I am White, I have that 
option.  If I feel superior because I am Black, I also have the right to do 
that.

We in a Free and democratic society should have the right to hate who we want. 
 If you don't like "One eyed, green haired" people, well your free to do that. 
 But once you start causing physical harm to them, the law steps in and says 
"thats not right, go to jail".   I agree with that.  


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:26 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
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In article ,
  writes:
>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the 
>>>Internet costs" let me fill you in.
>>>
>>>A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's 
>>>largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.  If he is 
really 
>>>pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE 
>>>THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.  
>>
>>If these figures are correct, we Americans should run as far as possible
>>away from anything resembling the Canadian style of government. I can get
>>a T1 line for $650 / month.  If these figures are not correct, it appears 
>>that Mr. Lemire has an ax to grind, and reserve judgement on his post
>>until such time as he quotes from cited sources and we find they are
>>verifiable.
>>

These figues are quoted right out of the UUNET's price guide, faxed to me 2 
days ago.


>I've had ISDN lines quoted to me at about $90/month with a $400 setup fee,
>I'd say that mr. lemire is completely out to lunch on his "fee" quotes.
>even then, it's easy to a: assume that UUNET is the most expensive, and

It is possible that UUNET is the most expensive, I am not sure on that.


>b: nice round numbers are easy to pull out of hats.


Like I mentioned earlier, I quoted directly from the UUNET price guide. So 
none of these numbers are "pulled out of my hat"


Marc





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From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 17 09:36:32 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!!!
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>Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by 
>adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United 
>States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable 
>witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. 
>George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, 
>Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, 
>Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. 
>Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M.      
>Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey 
>Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these 
>distinguished gentlemen?


They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in 
FACT it was NOT.

Here is some evidence to prove my claim.

1.  There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas 
chamber was never used to kill people.

2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were 
ever gassed at Dachau.

3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that 
no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau.


Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took 
over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there.  

Proof for this claim.

1.  George Stevens Jr.  WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of 
Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated  that German guards were "Shot 
on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that 
"we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards"  and "we 
killed every SS in Dachau".

2.  From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner 
(Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret)  he gives these numbers of German dead.
	-Shot on the spot                 122
	-Killed by camp inmates            40
	-Machine gunned by "Birdeye"       12
	-Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead  346
	Total killed                      520
	Killed in combat                   30
	Escaped (temporarily)              10
 	-------------------------------------
	TOTAL                             560




Marc



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Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:

>>>>>In article <408o1v$5eu@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire again posts his
>>>>>"MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS" advertisement, and once again it contains
>>>>>the lie about who torched Zundel's house.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Lemire has posted this advertisement, in one flavour or another,
>>>>>a minimum of 9 times since June 28. Each time, he includes the lie
>>>
>>>>Well you post your "anti-revisionist" material every 45 days.  So big deal 
>>how 
>>>>many times I have posted my BBS advertisement.
>>>
>>>Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand
>>>the difference? (A silly question, I know...)
>
>
>>HAHAHHA.  They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by 
e-mail 
>>thingy.
>
>Incorrect -- in fact, another lie. Your ads contain no information
>about anything other than your BBS (not counting, of course, your lie
>that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed
>Resistance". Ken's files are information concerning the Holocaust and
>Holocaust revisionism, with information at the bottom on how to
>retrieve copies of those files and others.

My BBS is also a large database of files, like Mr. McVays FTP site.  There is 
very little difference execpt for his is accesable through the Internet and 
mine is accessible only via phone lines.




>Your BBS is a commercial enterprise. Ken's FTP site is not.


Now that is a Lie.  My BBS is free, so how could it be a commercial 
Enterprise.  It is the same as McVays FTP site.  He accepts donations to help 
keep it going, I accept donations to help keep my BBS running.



>You are spamming the Net with ads, pure and simple.


I can and will.  And it's not spamming since the conferences I post the BBS 
add to are all relevant.



>>>> [...deletia...]
>>>>So if you follow how the FBI marks terrorist groups, the Jewish Armed 
>>>>Resistance would be listed as commiting 1 arson.
>>>
>>>Holy cow! One arson, way back in 1982? Golly gee, that's the most
>>>convincing evidence yet that they did it again, thirteen years later.
>>>It also proves, unmistakably, that the anonymous caller who called
>>>Bill Dunphy on his non-caller-ID-equipped phone _must_ have been with
>>>the JDL! Just look at their record of over a decade ago!
>
>>CAN'T YOU READ???  There was FIVE BOMBINGS, 1 SMOKE BOMBING and 1 ARSON.  
The 
>>Jewish Defence League also KILLED ONE PERSON and INJURED SEVEN.
>
>None of this constitutes proof that the JDL, JAR, or any other
>organization was responsible for the Zundel bombing. 


They have the motive and the means.  Read the book called "Chief" written by 
former Police chief Albert A. Seedman.  In it on page 332 and 333 he talks 
about 12 members of the JDL being arrested for Arson, Murder and many other 
violent offences.  This in itself does not mean that the Jewish Defence League 
or the Jewish Armed resistance did the crime but they DO have motive and they 
DO have the means to do such things.


>>><>
>>>
>>>What, exactly, do the activities of the JDL thirteen years ago prove
>>>about the arson of Zundel's house? Absolutely nothing, Lemire. You
>>>have no evidence that the caller was with the JDL, you have no
>>>evidence that the caller was connected to the arson, your BBS ad is
>>>still a lie, and you are still a liar.
>
>>Well you also have NO evidence that the caller was not.  I on the other hand 
>>have the evidence WHERE THE CALLER STATES HE IS FROM THE JEWISH ARMED 
>>RESISTANCE. 
>
>And all you have is an anonymous caller's statement. You have
>absolutely no evidence that the caller was, in fact, associated with
>the group. You choose to believe that he was, but your belief is not
>proof.

>I would also point out that lack of evidence for an alternative is not
>evidence in favor of a given theory. There is no evidence that the
>fourth planet of Wolf-359 is not populated entirely by clones of Cindy
>Crawford. That is not evidence that it is. Do you see the analogy to
>your own argument, or need I spell it out in excruciating detail?
>
>OK, I will. There is no evidence that the caller was not associated
>with the JAR. That, however, is not proof that he is. His identity, in
>fact, is entirely unkown. Your assertion that he was definitely
>associated with the JAR is based solely on your own belief, not on any
>verifiable evidence.

Well I never stated that HE absolutley WAS with the Jewish Armed Resistance.  
I mearly stated that the CALLER claimed that he was.

You are correct there is not definate proof that the caller was from the JAR. 
And on the other hand there is no proof that he was not.

But like I said before they (JDL, JAR) have the motives and have the means to 
do such a crime.  That does not mean that they did the crime but at the 
present time they do seem like the most logical suspect(s) to start with.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed?
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>"Was there a gas chamber at Dachau?"  Yes or no. It is that 
>simple.

Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill people.

There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says 
this chamber was never used to gas people.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
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In article ,

>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>
>> **           CANADIAN PATRIOTS NETWORK              **
>> ** MAIL: 152 Carlton St. Suite 545, Toronto,        **
>
>If I am correct, this address is right in the middle of the St
>Jamestown/Regent's Park area of Toronto.
>

Nope.  Jamestown is about 5 blocks North and Regent Park is 3 blocks South and 
2 blocks East.

My address is in a place called Cabbagetown.  Which is in the middle of the 
two and goes more west.


Marc



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In article ,

>> 
>> Not really.  If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of 
>> people.  My E-mailing list is around 700+ people.  Combine that with
>others we 
>> have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us.  So we are 
winning 
>> the war on the Internet... NOT YOU!
>> 
>> 
>
>This is something you can never proove, unless you provide the names and
>email addresses of the people you mail to, which of course, you really
>can't do. That said,last time I checked there were 20 million people with
>a connection to the internet. That makes your "subscription list" oh about
>two one hundreths of a one percent (0.02%) of the Internet.


Well it's also inceasing by the day.  As the Internet increases so do we.  The 
majority of Internet users have at least E-mail.  So that is where we are 
concentrating.  WWW and Usenet and other places we are looking at.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is telling the truth
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In article ,

>
>> I never said it was absolute proof.  I just offered it as some proof of why 
I 
>> believe why it was the Jewish Armed Resistance who are the ones responsible 
>> for the Fiorbombing of Zundels home.
>
>Please enlighten the rest of the world as to the nature of your other proof?


Holy Shit.  I am NOT going over it again and again for you.   Just look back 
at my old messages and you can read about it there.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>[mcvay]
>
>>>Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun
>>>accused the JAR of arson....
>
>>I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson.  
>>What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story 
>>where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson.  You are taking my words 
>>out of context.
>
>Out of context, Mr. Lemire? Let's see:
>
>Your ad stated "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*"
>
>....and...
>
>"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)"
>
>That's the full context, Mr. Lemire. A clear, concise statement that
>the Toronto Sun said the fire was "lit" by the JAR.
>
>A lie, Mr. Lemire.


It was claimed in the Toronto Sun.

Here is exactly what the opening article said.

QUOTE"[Headline] Zionist group claims arson"

QUOTE " A shawdowy offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed 
responsibility for Sundays arson attack on the home of neo-Nazi publisher 
Ernst Zundel.  A man claiming to be with the "Jewish Armed Resistance 
movement" contacted the Sun yesterday to say his group was responsible for the 
attack which caused extensive damage to Zundel's fortified Carlton St. home 
and left three tenants from the Adjoining building homeless."

I was right in what I said.  The fire was claimed in the Toronto Sun.



Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:33 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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In article ,
  
>> >>In it it refers to the Jewish Defence League as a terrorist
>organization and 
>> >>also keeps records on how many terrorist acts they did in that year.  IN 
>> 1982 
>> >>they listed as committing 5 actual bombings, 1 attempted smoke bombing, 1 
>> >>arson, injuring 7 people and killing 1.  They also mention the United
>Jewish 
>> >>underground which had 1 attempted bombing.
>> >
>> >>So if you follow how the FBI marks terrorist groups, the Jewish Armed 
>> >>Resistance would be listed as commiting 1 arson.
>> >
>> >Holy cow! One arson, way back in 1982? Golly gee, that's the most
>> >convincing evidence yet that they did it again, thirteen years later.
>> >It also proves, unmistakably, that the anonymous caller who called
>> >Bill Dunphy on his non-caller-ID-equipped phone _must_ have been with
>> >the JDL! Just look at their record of over a decade ago!
>> 
>> CAN'T YOU READ???  There was FIVE BOMBINGS, 1 SMOKE BOMBING and 1 ARSON.  
The 
>> Jewish Defence League also KILLED ONE PERSON and INJURED SEVEN.
>
>
>Apparently Lemire you don't read what YOU write. You make accusations
>against the JAR which is listed (according to you) as having committed
>arson once. the JDL, which, according to what you say seems to be a

Thats not true.  They have commited other crimes back in the 70's.  I will 
have to research exactly what crimes they were.  Maybe Mr. McVay could help us 
out here.


>totally different group committed a number (according to you) of terrorist
>crimes. You have made no link between the JDL and the JAR. You cannot now

What arw you talking about.  The Jewish Armed Resistance is an offshoot of the 
Jewish Defence League (Toronto Sun May 9/95)  So there the link.


>accuse the JAR of having been behind JDL activies in the eighties. You
>cannot accuse the JAR of torching zundel's home based on acts carried out
>but the JDL in the eighties, nor can you accuse the JAR of torching
>Zundel's home based on one act in 1982. Make your choice. Who do you
>accuse?  The JAR or the JDL?

I am pointing out the the Jewish Defence League is a terrorist group and is 
also very violent.  I have never accused the Jewish Defence League of lighting 
the fire at Zundel's house.  But both the leaders of the Canadian and American 
Jewish Defence Leagues tried to hop over the wooden baracade at Mr. Zundel's 
house. Which I think may tie in with the original firebombing.


>> Well you also have NO evidence that the caller was not.  I on the other 
hand 
>> have the evidence WHERE THE CALLER STATES HE IS FROM THE JEWISH ARMED 
>> RESISTANCE.  
>
>Once again the fallacy of your logic and your refusal to see obvious
>mistakes inherent in your argument astound me. How anybody could be so
>dense is beyond me.

Well whatever.  You have your opinions and I have mine.  I believe they are 
the most logical suspects right now.  If you do not, thats fine.


>>And the JDL is just as dangerous as they were then, if not more. 
>>  I have looked for the newest FBI report btu I believe they keep them 
secret 
>> for 10 years before releasing it to the public.  But this I am not sure on.
>
>If you don't know what the FBI thinks about the JDL then how on earth can
>you assert that they are just as dangerous as they may have been in the
>early eighties?

Well not too long ago during the Zundel trial's they would spit, physically 
attack, threaten, throw eggs with paint in them, and throw batteries at 
people.  So they are quite violent.  In the states they have thrown acid in 
peoples faces. (During Klan and White power protests)


Marc





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From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:52:36 PDT 1995
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In article ,
   anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>> THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news!
>> The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax 
>> for sure.  Come on stop bullshitting.
>> 
>
>You are putting words in my mouth. The police do consider the call to be
>little more than a hoax. The Sun while never printing an article claiming
>the call was a hoax does consider the call to be such. 

And could you please give me proof that the Police and the Toronto Sun believe 
the call was a hoax.  I have NEVER seen an article stating either of the two 
things you are claiming.


>> 
>> Can you please cite Canadian case law to back up what you are saying?
>> 
>
>Case law would not be the relevant source - evidence such as you claim is
>proof would not be admitted in court. Thankfully, the judicial system does
>not tolerate false logic. You would wish to examine the rules of evidence
>and admissibility which clearly maintain that you cannot claim there is a
>fire where you see smoke especially when the smoke may not even be smoke
>(thanks to a previous poster for this analogy).


OK then please show me where in Canadian Law books you are refering to?  Are 
you now a judge, and is the Internet suddenly a court room?


>> 
>> What outright lies are you talking about?  What sudden "factual 
alterations" 
>> are you refering to?
>> 
>
>Refer to you previous post in which you claimed Mr. Dunphy of the Sun
>maintained that the caller was a member of the JAR and that he had
>verified this using caller-id.

That is what I was told.  Just because it was not in the article does not mean 
thats what happened.  People in Toronto here talk to Mr. Dunphy quite 
regularly.  But now I do not think that he got it from his call display.  I 
was given "false news".  That does not mean I lied.


>
>>
>> It seems like you are the one writting garbage, buddy!
>> 
>
>Perhaps you think so. Then again, it concerns me not a whit what you think
>of me.

Thats good, since I don't care what you think of me either.


Marc






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In article ,
   anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>> Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  Don't quite your day job.  (I hope it's 
not 
>> like McVay in a gas station)
>> 
>
>What difference does it make that Mr. McVay works in a gas station ?


Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas station.
But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.


Marc



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In article ,
   bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) wrote:

>From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news!
>>The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax 
>>for sure.  Come on stop bullshitting.
>
>Right, it was only claimed to be a call from a group which has been
>defunct for around 20 years.


Well if you look at places like Ireland, it only takes one nut to do crazy 
things and revive a group that has been inactive for years.  Just becuase it 
has been inactive for a while does not mean that it is gone.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <40mtkg$dl9@ionews.io.org>,   wrote:
>
>>>Hate Laws hate Whites, Hate laws hate truth!
>
>>Hate laws frown on hate.  
>
>Actually, by making it illegal, hate laws *hate* hate...
>which means they really render themselves illegal.

Nope in Canada the "Hate" laws have only been succesfully used against Whites. 
 And about the part where I quote Gary Schipper saying "hate laws hate truth" 
I believe he is refering to the case of John Ross Taylor where in his court 
case the judge said [quote]"truth does not matter" {In reguards to his stand 
on the Jews}


Marc



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>lzaird@io.org wrote:
>: In article <40kh4r$df5@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>: >In article <409eir$fb8@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>: >   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>: >>>Oh please....  The Jewish Armed Resistance claimed responsibility for 
the 
>: >>>firebombing not ME.  So the guilty finger certainly points to them.
>: >>No, Mr. Lemire, that is not the way it went down. An anonymous
>: >>caller _claiming_ to represent a long-defunct group, _claimed_
>: >>responsibility for the act.
>: >And your point.  A caller called the Toronto Sun and claimed 
responsibility 
>: >for the bombing.  Yes your also right that they claimed that they belong 
to 
>: >the Jewish Armed Resistance.
>: 
>: His point is, the caller alleged he was from the JAR, but it could have 
>: easily been one of the Zundelkin, playing make-believe.  I could call 
>: the Sun tomorrow and say that The Heritidge Front did it because they 
>: thought Zundel needed to lighten up a bit.  But they won't say "The 
>: Heritidge Front did it!"  Because they have no real proof, just a phone 
>: call...
>: 
>: That's what you're doing though.  All we ask is that you say 
>: "Photographs of Zundel's house being burned by unknown parties."  Is 
>: that so hard?

I will change my BBS's advertisement just to make you all happy. I have 
recieved quite alot of private E-mail asking to cut down on this topic, so for 
the sake of going on to another subject, i'll change the bbs advertisement.  I 
was actually going to along time ago, but since it created such a stir I left 
the part about Zundel in. Just changed it slightly.



 
>: >>There is no proof whatsover that the anon. caller either represented
>: >>this long-defunct group, or that the anon. caller committed the
>: >>arson. None. Zip. Squat.
>: >Exept that the person who called said they represented the group.  Don't 
>: >forget that.
>: 
>: Yeah, but who was that person, and did they represent that group?  See 
>: my example above.

The person claimed to represent the Jewish Armed Resistance (Toronto Sun May 
9/95)


 
>: >>There is no proof whatsoever that Ernst Zundel himself did not make
>: >>the call, hoping to cast aspersions on the Jews in order to raise
>: >>money for his hate-mongering. None. Zip. Squat.
>: >OH please.  Get real McVay.  
>: 
>: I wouldn't put it past him, he is one for showmanship.
>: 
>: >There a Nazi plot under every rock eh?!
>: 
>: No, just a Nazi.  Plots require planning, planning requires independant 
>: thought. 
>: 
>: >>There is no proof that _you_, Mr. Lemire, did not make that call,
>: >>or, for that matter, that _I_ did not make that call.
>: >Well sure there is.  Bill Dunphy knows me and most likley could recognize 
my 
>: >voice on the phone.  After all I ran a hotline in the Toronto area for 
over 1 
>: >and a half years.  As for you.  Well I doubt that even you are stupid 
enough 
>: >to do such a thing.
>: 
>: Oh, that was you?   Ahahahahah!   You should have made it a sex-line, 
>: there would have been more money and less lies.


I challenge you to point OUT ONE LIE I SAID ON MY HOTLINE.  If you are going 
to claim I lie on my hotline... back it up!!!


>Has none of you ever ponder the significance of Zundel's name?
>A matchstick in German is "Zundholz" (Umlaut omitted) and
>"Zundel" is a good diminutive for it.
>
>Now doesn't that make it obivois that Zundel himself should
>be a prime suspect? The very NAME he uses is a hint to his
>activities!

What a stupid notion.  Where do you guys come up with this stuff???


Marc



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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth
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>In article ,
>   bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) wrote:
>
>>From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>>THE POLICE HAVE NEVER SAID THE CALL WAS A HOAX... Your telling false news!
>>>The Toronto Sun has also never published a story saying the call was a hoax 
>>>for sure.  Come on stop bullshitting.
>>
>>Right, it was only claimed to be a call from a group which has been
>>defunct for around 20 years.
>
>
>Well if you look at places like Ireland, it only takes one nut to do crazy 
>things and revive a group that has been inactive for years.  Just becuase it 
>has been inactive for a while does not mean that it is gone.

Aha, progress!

One nut.

Thank you, I'll take it.

One nut.

End of argument, we agree that this group doesn't exist as an
identifiable group and ceased existence around 20 years ago.

So it's possibly one nut.




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From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 08:53:55 PDT 1995
Article: 31824 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill people.
>
>>There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says 
>>this chamber was never used to gas people.
>
>You keep saying that the sign is REMOVABLE as if this means something.
>How is it REMOVABLE? Is is held onto a wall with REMOVABLE bolts, or
>is it just hanging from REMOVABLE cup hooks, or what? Bear in mind
>that your house is REMOVABLE with a wrecking ball and a bulldozer.

The sign is attached to a post with a SMALL block at the bottom.  You can move 
the sign out of the way to take a picture of the gas chamber quite easily.


>So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign?

It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.

One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
factory.  What a sickness.   

When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and there 
former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.

And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's!  Information 
like this really makes you think twice.

Marc Lemire



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From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 13:26:42 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: New Nationalist BBS
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In article <40e6qt$q3s@news.csus.edu>,
   abrown@acme.csusb.edu (Ashley Brown) wrote:

>
>
>                       O U R   N A T I O N   B B S
> 
> 
>                  Connecting you to the White community,
>                       connecting us to the world.
> 
>                            (909) 624-8474
> 
>           Our Nation BBS is a new computer bulletin board whose
>        main purpose is to be a service to the White community.
>        It is also for those not already familiar with the beliefs
>        and practices of our community to experience them firsthand.
>        We welcome all those who are genuinely interested in either
>        contributing or learning from it in a positive way.
>	   Some of the services that the Our Nation BBS provides
>	are:  Email to other users, discussion groups, an online
>	library, Vanguard online, and a community calendar.  It
>	serves as a central, online meeting place for members of
>	the White community and as a clearinghouse of information.
> 
>                        
>                       O U R   N A T I O N   B B S
> 
>                             (909) 624-8474


I'm glad to hear it!

Good luck with your new BBS.


Marc Lemire
DIGITAL FREEDOM SYSOP



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From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 18 13:27:47 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!!!
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>Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by 
>adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United 
>States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable 
>witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. 
>George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, 
>Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, 
>Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. 
>Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M.      
>Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey 
>Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these 
>distinguished gentlemen?


They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in 
FACT it was NOT.

Here is some evidence to prove my claim.

1.  There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas 
chamber was never used to kill people.

2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were 
ever gassed at Dachau.

3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that 
no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau.


Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took 
over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there.  

Proof for this claim.

1.  George Stevens Jr.  WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of 
Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated  that German guards were "Shot 
on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that 
"we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards"  and "we 
killed every SS in Dachau".

2.  From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner 
(Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret)  he gives these numbers of German dead.
	-Shot on the spot                 122
	-Killed by camp inmates            40
	-Machine gunned by "Birdeye"       12
	-Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead  346
	Total killed                      520
	Killed in combat                   30
	Escaped (temporarily)              10
 	-------------------------------------
	TOTAL                             560




Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by 
>adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United 
>States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable 
>witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. 
>George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, 
>Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, 
>Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. 
>Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M.      
>Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey 
>Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these 
>distinguished gentlemen?


They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in 
FACT it was NOT.

Here is some evidence to prove my claim.

1.  There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas 
chamber was never used to kill people.

2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were 
ever gassed at Dachau.

3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that 
no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau.


Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took 
over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there.  

Proof for this claim.

1.  George Stevens Jr.  WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of 
Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated  that German guards were "Shot 
on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that 
"we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards"  and "we 
killed every SS in Dachau".

2.  From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner 
(Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret)  he gives these numbers of German dead.
	-Shot on the spot                 122
	-Killed by camp inmates            40
	-Machine gunned by "Birdeye"       12
	-Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead  346
	Total killed                      520
	Killed in combat                   30
	Escaped (temporarily)              10
 	-------------------------------------
	TOTAL                             560




Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Mr. Baron attempts to dismiss the existence of the gas chamber by 
>adding his own interpretations to what was found by the United 
>States Army, filmed in detail, and observed by unimpeacheable 
>witnesses including Senator Alben W. Barkley,Senator Walter F. 
>George,Senator Elbert D. Thomas,Senator C. Weyland Brooks, 
>Senator Kenneth S. Wherry,Senator Leverett Saltonstall, 
>Representative R. Ewing Thomason,Representative James P. 
>Richards,Representative Ed V. Izac, Representative John M.      
>Vorys,Representative James M. Mott and Representative Dewey 
>Short. Who is more to be believed, Mr. Baron or these 
>distinguished gentlemen?


They tried to make it as if the gas chamber was used to kill people, when in 
FACT it was NOT.

Here is some evidence to prove my claim.

1.  There is a REMOVABLE sign inside the gas chamber that says that this gas 
chamber was never used to kill people.

2. The mayor of Dachau said in a letter dated 23.8.1982 that no imates were 
ever gassed at Dachau.

3. The administrative director of the city of Dachau stated on 8.2.1983 that 
no gassing of prisoners ever took place in Dachau.


Just another interesting thing to note abotu Dachau, when the Americans took 
over Dachau they murdered ALL the guards who were there.  

Proof for this claim.

1.  George Stevens Jr.  WWII photographer who did a colour documentry of 
Dachau immediatly after the "liberation" stated  that German guards were "Shot 
on the spot" and that the some of the soldiers who were at Dachau boasted that 
"we shot everything that moved" and "we got all those bastards"  and "we 
killed every SS in Dachau".

2.  From the Book, Dachau - the hour of the Avenger by Col. Howard A. Buechner 
(Medical Corps, A. U.S. Ret)  he gives these numbers of German dead.
	-Shot on the spot                 122
	-Killed by camp inmates            40
	-Machine gunned by "Birdeye"       12
	-Machine gunned by Lt. Bushyhead  346
	Total killed                      520
	Killed in combat                   30
	Escaped (temporarily)              10
 	-------------------------------------
	TOTAL                             560




Marc



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From bzs@world.std.com Sat Aug 19 01:14:25 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.

You say "German", I say "Nazi", but...

Innocence of what? Of gassings particularly? Apparently there were
gassings, several here have offered reliable and scholarly evidence of
this.

But you still haven't cited anything as to how you know anything about
this sign. For all we know it's something some buddy of yours told you
over beers one night, maybe complete bull.

Look, either you saw it yourself, or you read it somewhere, or you
heard it somewhere. That's something we're asking, how did you come to
know this? I have no idea if it's true or not, but even after reading
your hearsay-sounding story I still don't know.

>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>factory.  What a sickness.   

Well, it was, and Dachau in general certainly was a "killing factory".

Overall it's hardly misleading.

>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.

Again, what's the source of your rather vivid description?

I think it would be nice for a reader to know if this is something
reliable, or perhaps some hearsay you got in your school's locker room
one day.

It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by
American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in
his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678:

	Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant
	Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the
	inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American
	soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw
	of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one
	incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the
	SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up
	against a wall.

See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable
and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has
received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended
press reports than analytic histories.)

I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted
the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book
in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer
anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course
they're free to look into other sources if they like.

Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of
people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard
dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our
far removed and comfortable sensibilities.

Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty
much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an
inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have
done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like
German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained
attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding
the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the
circumstances.

At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't.

History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit
still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only
about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.)

So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted?

For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the
day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within
the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same
source, Gilbert, same page.)

So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a
"killing factory".

Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I
have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but
taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny
percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation.

As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would
have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity
at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or
unjustified, the horrible result.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From bzs@world.std.com Sat Aug 19 09:57:03 PDT 1995
Article: 12671 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.

You say "German", I say "Nazi", but...

Innocence of what? Of gassings particularly? Apparently there were
gassings, several here have offered reliable and scholarly evidence of
this.

But you still haven't cited anything as to how you know anything about
this sign. For all we know it's something some buddy of yours told you
over beers one night, maybe complete bull.

Look, either you saw it yourself, or you read it somewhere, or you
heard it somewhere. That's something we're asking, how did you come to
know this? I have no idea if it's true or not, but even after reading
your hearsay-sounding story I still don't know.

>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>factory.  What a sickness.   

Well, it was, and Dachau in general certainly was a "killing factory".

Overall it's hardly misleading.

>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.

Again, what's the source of your rather vivid description?

I think it would be nice for a reader to know if this is something
reliable, or perhaps some hearsay you got in your school's locker room
one day.

It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by
American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in
his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678:

	Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant
	Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the
	inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American
	soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw
	of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one
	incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the
	SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up
	against a wall.

See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable
and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has
received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended
press reports than analytic histories.)

I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted
the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book
in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer
anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course
they're free to look into other sources if they like.

Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of
people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard
dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our
far removed and comfortable sensibilities.

Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty
much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an
inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have
done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like
German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained
attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding
the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the
circumstances.

At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't.

History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit
still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only
about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.)

So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted?

For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the
day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within
the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same
source, Gilbert, same page.)

So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a
"killing factory".

Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I
have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but
taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny
percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation.

As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would
have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity
at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or
unjustified, the horrible result.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 03:28:51 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics
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>In article ,
>HAPLO  wrote:
>>  But You have to remeber that Mr. Zundel has Has been attacked in the 
>>Past By jewish groups. Threats Have been made and Violence Done to him.  
>>This would Help make the Claim from this group be taken more serious. Mr. 
>>Zundel has Never done anything But voice his opinion. What is wrong with 
>>that. This is suppose to be a free country. I guess free speech is really 
>>dead when People have to watch what they say for fear of being killed for 
>>it.
>
>If your mother and father died, and some guy was claiming they never 
>existed in the first place, wouldn't that upset you a bit?  If we were 
>all pacifists, Zundel and his related ilk wouldn't even exist... That's 
>reality for ya!  

I have never heard Zundel say that no Jews dies in camps.  He says that the 
story as we are told it, by the media, is not the way it happened.  I believe 
he also says that NO Jews, or anybody, was killed in Gas Chambers by some sort 
of a homocidal plan by the Nazi's to systematically kill off Jew's.


Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
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>In article <40sfjn$kcv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> >: In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>> >:    kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>> >: >The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>> >: >what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>> >: >hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.
>> >
>> >: Under our sheets???
>> >
>> >: What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy?
>> >
>
>I assumed Ken's allegory implied that you "revisionists" play with your
>"ideas" much like pubescent boys play with their wankers... in desperate
>frustration. 


For the 1st point, I am not and have never claimed to be a Revisionist.  So 
your are mistaken on that point.

On the second point, I must disagree with you.  The revisionists have put up 
quite a solid wall for quite along time.  Due to the nature of a revisionist 
"revising history" they are constantly revising there beliefs on things due to 
the new evidence coming to the fore, every year.


>> >: The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and 
more 
>> >: support by the day.
>
>See "playing with one's wanker", above. 
>
>> >Really?  Having read through this thread, I can discern absolutely no 
>> >support for your twisted views.
>> 
>> Like what Twisted views are you talking about?
>
>Like that spewing lies long and loud enough will make them true maybe?
>Seems pretty twisted to me... 


My point exactly.   Mcvay can yak as long as he wants to.  


>> I have made very resonable statements.  
>
>See "spewing lies" above.
>
>If you don't like them well thats too bad.
>
>Yup. It _is_ too bad. It is _very_ bad. It is also disgusting, vile,
>reprehensible, dishonest, cowardly... 
>
>All in all it pretty much describes something a pathetic little wretch
>like you would do. 


You have to resort to name calling.  ..... wah, wah!


Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>The caller said he was.  I can't 100% prove who he was, and you cannot prove 
>>who he isn't.  
>
>So, you admit that you don't know who the caller was. Therefore, you
>cannot know whether the caller was with the JAR or JDL, nor if he
>actually was one of those responsible for the arson of Zundel's house.

Yes but the evidence does lean towards the JAR.  But that does not mean 100% 
that the JAR was responsible.  We will have to wait until this case comes to 
court and all our questions will be answered.



>Yet, your ads continue to claim that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit
>on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance". This is a direct assertion,
>admitting of no uncertainty. How do you reconcile this claim with your
>admission that you _do not know_ the identity of the arsonist?


You must have missed quite a few of my posts.  I have stated that I was going 
to change my BBS ad.  


Marc


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>In article <40sm42$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>In article <40pnqc$sum@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote:
>>>Marc, you drooler!  I can't believe that you perpetrate to be a 
>>>revisionist with an attitude like that!  Innocent until proven guilty, 
>>>remember?  Any asshole can "drop a dime" and call in saying that they're 
>>>the JAR, or whoever, but it doesn't make it fact.  
>>I have already posted here that I am NOT a Revisionist.  So get it right.
>
>Uhuh... Keep singing it.  So you believe the Holocaust DID happen?  
>Don't you think it was a tradegy?


Yes of course it was a tradegy.   50 million + people lost their lives.  A 
large majority of them White.  Who could ever say that the second world war 
was a good thing?   

I believe that there is quite alot of lies and falsehoods surrounding the 
Holocaust.  Take Dachau for example.  The lies and hog-wash surrounding that 
camp sickens me.


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Zundel and the UFO's (Re: Toronto Sun Confirmation: Lemire is telling the truth)
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>Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>[My comments on Zundel's "UFO research"]
>
># Bullshit.  Where did he do this?
>
>You're not denying that Zundel claimed there's a "Nazi
>UFO base" in the South Pole, are you? And that he wrote
>articles about this, and appeared in talk shows in
>which he was interviewed about this "base"?
>
>If you're denying this, you're a bigger fool than I
>thought...


That not what I was saying was bullshit.  What I wanted to know is when and 
where did Zundel publish ads asking for donations to fund an expedition to the 
South Pole to find some sort of a Nazi base.

Nice try to play off my words though!


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber story exposed
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>Alexander Baron   wrote:
>
># It wasn't disguised as a shower, what was shown at the time was
># an ordinary shower and a delousing chamber.
>
>Can anyone who saw the gas chamber confirm this?


I have seen pictures and video's of the "shower room/gas chamber"

I do not think it is or was going to be used as a gas chamber.  

There is also a big sign in the room but up by the government stating that no 
one was ever gassed in here.


Marc

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>>>In article <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org says...
>>>>I still think Zundel had some asshole light up his house while he was in 
>>>>Vancouver...convenient isn't it?
>>Why on earth would Zundel burn his own house?  Why would zundel burn his 
>>pricless books? and almost kill the person who was watching his house?
>
>Why?  For the spotlight.  For sympathy.  For insurance money.  

1. For the spotlight.  What a stupid thing to say.  Zundel gets in the paper 
at least once a month.  He is on German TV and papers almost every week.  So I 
don't think he would burn his SON'S house down to get publicity.  

2. For sympathy.  You don't get very much sympathy by burning your son's house 
down.  What a stupid thing to say.

3.  For insurance money.  You know dalm well... since I posted this about 100 
times, that Zundel has very limited insurance on his house.  It only covered 
the shell of the house.  In case you do not know what shell means i'll 
explain.  THE INSURANCE ONLY COVERED THE STRUCTURE.  It did not cover the 
photocopier ($30,000) all the books (Priceless), his person things, his 
kitchen, his dining room, ect ect ect.  That is one of the absolute stupidest 
things I have ever heard.




>What "priceless books" were burnt?  Let me guess, conclusive evidence 
>that the holocaust never happened, right?  Yeah, like Zundel cares about 

He had many 1st edition book that are no longer availible.  He had book which 
were worth thousands of dollors to collectors.  He also lost quite a few of 
his oil paintings due to all the water the fire department poured in.


>his flock... Face it, MArc, Zundel's playing the game.  He knows the 
>holocaust happened, he knows everything, he knows how to manipulate, he 
>wants to be a powermonger, and as long as you pinheads keep sucking his 
>dick every time he says to, he's succeeding.


Your almost right.  Zundel does know quite alot about the Holocaust, but he 
certailly DOES NOT believe it happened the way the media and hollywood portray 
it.


MARC

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: Another Nazi in the Canadian Armed Forces
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> John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White
> : Power BBS in Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the
> : Canadian Armed Forces. ...
>
>
>          Maybe a better Subject line might read ...
>
>        Non-Nazi Discovered In Canadian Armed Forced!


Thank you.  You are 100% correct.  I am not a Nazi and have never claimed to 
be.  People like the person who wrote the original message like to point and 
call anyone who they might not like, or people who say controversial things, 
Nazis'  That buzzword has been used too many times and I am personally sick of 
it.   


Marc

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>John Angus (an321@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>
>> Can we decide certain people can not be allowed in certain jobs based
>> solely on their political views? IF so who decides what political views
>> are acceptable? The extreme right? Extreme left?
>
>According to "Official Secrets" (Richard Cleroux, 1991) people with
>politics NDPish or left of the NDP were routinely chopped from CSIS
>and the RCMP. They also removed homosexuals -- with the reason being
>that they were easy blackmail targets if someone discovered them.


I cannot say much about Homosexuals, but I do know people with Drug or alcohol 
dependancies are quite easily blackmailed.

>Also according to that book, throughout the 80s the RCMP had hundreds
>of spies investigating far-left groups, and only "a few" investigating
>the far-rights.
>
>So we know which political belief the RCMP finds more repugnant.


Well we also now know that CSIS is investigating everyone.  With the fore of 
this Grant Bristow case.

But you also have to keep in mind, the Left has for quite along time been far 
more violent.  There are a few articles on this that you might be interested 
in reading.  For starters try reading Blatchfords article in the Toronto Sun 
May9/95 entitled "The damage comes from the Left" or read Lorrie Goldstein's 
article in the July 25/95's edition of the Toronto Sun.  the articel is 
entitled "Left looks away from terror"


Marc


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>> In article ,
>>    schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <40n6ja$p7k@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) 
wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> oooohhhh darn you caught me.    You totally right....  It was me who 
>> started 
>> >> the fire.  How did you ever figure it out. Boy you and McVay seem to see 
a 
>> >> Nazi conspiracy under every rock.
>> >> 
>> >Well, now that THAT is over with, let's move on to something else, shall 
we?
>> > 
>> >By the way, the only thing we find under rocks is slime like you, Marc.
>> 
>> 
>> Quite an intelligent thing to say.  Typical of you people. 
>> 
>By the way, Marc...
>WHICH of "you people" do you mean?
> 
>"You Joooooos"?
>"You intellectuals"?
>"You women"?
>"You college educated people"?
>"You divorced parents"?
>"You blue-eyed people"?
>"You right-handed people"?
>"You working poeple"?
> 
>All of the above, and MUCH MORE, fit me. Which one did you have in mind?

Boy your an Intellectual?   HAHAHAHAHHA  right!

But what I meant by "you people" are you type of people who would 
automatically call me a Nazi or Racist with out proof.  Or you type of people 
who say stupid remarks like "go back under your rock" or "slime like you form 
on the bottom of rocks"


Does that answer your question.


Marc

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>In article <40v3sa$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>> [In response to Ken McVay saying his funding sources are public info]
>>Of course it's not.  If you are making public where you get money from, well 
>>thats great.  I would personally like to know. (Out of interest)
>
>How uninsiduous. Psychologists want to know: Why did Mr. Lemire feel
>compelled to add the parenthesized, uh, disclaimer? Does he sometimes
>want to know such information for other reasons? What could those
>reasons be?????


Why would it not be of interest to me?   

And a disclaimer FOR WHAT?

I am free to ask what ever I want to.  I need no disclaimers on my messages.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Lemire's Revisionist BBS: The Truth Continues
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>In article <40v2up$ss0@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>
>
>> 
>> I am only pointing MY finger at the parties who are most likely quilty.
>> 
>
>I've always thought that the JAR was a quilting group myself. Quilters are
>usually a very non-violent type, I know of NO quilting circles that have
>firebombed any houses.
> 
>Thanks for clarifying that.
> 
>Now, let us let the GOVERNMENT and POLICE figure out who is guilty and
>drop the subject.


Well Ms. Swartz, I must agree with you.  Lets move on to more interesting 
things.   This conversation has gone on quite along time.


Hope to talk to you again soon


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.politics,ont.general
Subject: Re: person in the Canadian Armed Forces
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 06:01:20 GMT
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>In article <40v549$ss0@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 
>> >Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White Power BBS in
>> >Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the Canadian Armed Forces. 
>> 
>> I am not a Nazi apologist.  Where is the proof to this bullshit!
>> 
>
>I agree, you're _not_ a Nazi apologist. I've never seen or heard you
>apologise for the Nazis. You are simply a fascist, racist hatemonger.

According to the Dictionary a Facist is a member of the Italian Facist party 
of the 1930-40's.  For which I cannot be since I wasn't even born.  

As for being a Racist hatemonger.  That is untrue.  I am not racist and I am 
also not a Hatemonger.

By making these statements you are acting quite prejustice and igrorant.  And 
prejustice and ignorance is what racism is.  So it would seem, YOU ARE THE 
RACIST!



>[snip snip snip]
>> 
>> Being a Medic, I would still put my life on the line for someone who is not 
>> White.  It's all part of the job.  Just like being in the Airborne.  They 
all 
>> have a respect for each other.  Even if they are racist inside, it does not 
>> get in the way of teh duty and job they have.  When racism does get in
>the way 
>> and their duties cannot be fufilled.  Then that person is let go from
>Military 
>> service.
>
>Complete bullshit (so what else is new?).  When racism gets in the way,
>and members of the Airborne beat the life out of a Somali teenager, they
>are not "let go" as you claim... there was a cover-up, or are you denying
>that too?

Actually they are being sent to military jail.  So your wrong.  If you think 
real jail is bad.... wait till you see military jail.  NO TV, NO RADIO, NO 
NOTHING.  They WILL pay for what they have done and after their sentence, they 
will be kicked out of the military and given a dishonorable dischage.  Which 
means NO goverment jobs for the rest of their lives.


Marc

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>>> [... I wrote:]
>>>>>Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand
>>>>>the difference? (A silly question, I know...)
>>>
>>>
>>>>HAHAHHA.  They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by 
>>e-mail 
>>>>thingy.
>>>
>>>Incorrect -- in fact, another lie. Your ads contain no information
>>>about anything other than your BBS (not counting, of course, your lie
>>>that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed
>>>Resistance". Ken's files are information concerning the Holocaust and
>>>Holocaust revisionism, with information at the bottom on how to
>>>retrieve copies of those files and others.
>
>>My BBS is also a large database of files, like Mr. McVays FTP site.  There 
is 
>>very little difference execpt for his is accesable through the Internet and 
>>mine is accessible only via phone lines.
>
>Irrelevant. We were discussing the nature of your ads versus the
>nature of Ken's posts, not the nature of the sites themselves.

Yes and as I have stated, his are also ads.


>Your posts are ads; Ken's are not. Do you intend to deal with this
>point, ignore it, or just try to change the subject again?

I have dealt with it.  You even quote me dealing with it.  They are ads just 
like mine are ads.


>>>Your BBS is a commercial enterprise. Ken's FTP site is not.
>
>>Now that is a Lie.  My BBS is free, so how could it be a commercial 
>>Enterprise.  It is the same as McVays FTP site.  He accepts donations to 
help 
>>keep it going, I accept donations to help keep my BBS running.
>
>From your ad:
>
>>          SOON TO HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!!! SIGN UP NOW
>>       DON'T BE CENSORED BY POLITICALLY CORRECT FOOLS LIKE PRODIGY
>>                           ONLY $15/YEAR
>
>The word "donation" appears where, exactly? Looks like a subscription
>BBS to me.

If you want Internet access you have to give a donation.  Once on my BBS you 
will see quite clearly where I state DONATION.  There is NO CHARGE to logon 
the bbs and access our 1.2 gig Harddrive.  It is also FREE to read messages 
and do anything else on the bbs.  Also you might NOTICE THE WORD "SOON"  So as 
you can tell it is not set up yet.

Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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>In article <40sk14$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>In article <40o8h0$dhb@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
>>>	And a much larget opposition!
>>Not really.  If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of 
>>people.  My E-mailing list is around 700+ people.  Combine that with others 
we 
>>have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us.  So we are 
winning 
>>the war on the Internet... NOT YOU!
>
>Uh, yeah, I believe that one... and the KKK has 1,000,000 members like 
>they say.  Marc, you know the truth, I know the truth, the only person 
>you're successfully lying to here is yourself.  

I do not care what you think.  If you think I am lying, that is your opinion. 
I happen to know the truth since I am looking at the list right now.  


>>>	You're talking to yourself now!
>>I should be talking to you actually.
>
>Colon has just been bumped as lamest WP type! 

?????????????????????  I have no clue what the hell you are talking about 
here.  



Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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>In article <40v6cr$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>In article ,
>>>This is something you can never proove, unless you provide the names and
>>>email addresses of the people you mail to, which of course, you really
>>>can't do. That said,last time I checked there were 20 million people with
>>>a connection to the internet. That makes your "subscription list" oh about
>>>two one hundreths of a one percent (0.02%) of the Internet.
>>Well it's also inceasing by the day.  As the Internet increases so do we.  
The 
>>majority of Internet users have at least E-mail.  So that is where we are 
>>concentrating.  WWW and Usenet and other places we are looking at.
>
>Oh yeah, Marc!  You're doing great on Usenet!  Why do we outnumber you 
>then Marc?  On this NG alone there are more lib'ral types than actual 
>racists... look at the posts.
>

You cannot say that for sure, since you do not know who reads all the 
messages.  We only know who writes.  there could be millions of likeminded 
people on here.  It is impossible to tell accuratley.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Daniel Keren - a Holocaust Fundamentalist?
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># dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>
>## Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg?
>
># I know that it takes 75 minutes to cremate a corpse in a
># modern crematorium.
>
>There seems to be a disease going on here, this inability
>to answer very simple, very clear questions.
>
>Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg? Yes or no?
>Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg? Yes or no?
>Did you ever burn corpses, Kreiberg? Yes or no?

It does not matter if he has personally burned corpses or not.  there is still 
published reports on the matter from which this person might be quoting from.



>The reason for the 75 minute figure - if it's correct - is,
>possibly, the requirement for minimal pollution in the
>cremation process (smoke, etc). This was not a problem
>in Auschwitz. Also, it may well be because, usually, a
>furnace is started cold, while in Birkenau they were
>working for hours non-stop, and there was no need to
>rewarm them before every cremation. That may have saved
>a lot of time.

If the ovens were going non-stop the bricks wuld most likley explode.  And if 
you put a coprse in an oven that is not at the proper temperature it could 
explode.



Marc


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
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>>>In article <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote:
>>>No no... Ken posts CONTENT, you SPAM.  Ken's posts are different every 
>>All it is, is a listing of the files availible via E-mail.  So I posted my 
>>Allfiles list for all to see.
>
>Huh?  Ken posts different things every time...what the fuck are you 
>talking about, "all it is"?  What you're doing is advertising your BBS, 

I advertise my BBS quite openly.  I am not ashamed of that.  I get quite alot 
if users from the Internet.  So why wouldn't I?


>and you accept "donations", but with that you probably get more online 
>time or whatever... I know how the BBS game works.  But this isn't your 

Yes OFCOURSE!  If a user would like to donate money, I do give him more online 
time.  So what.


>BBS, you aren't the "all powerful" SysOp.  You're spamming.  Others may 
>not appretiate it, INCLUDING WP types who don't have access to, or don't 
>give a shit about the 416 area code.  Marc, on Usenet, you're just 
>another asshole.  Now, if you posted an entire FILE from your BBS, and 
>then left your .sig at the bottom of it, then that would be different.  

Well you are also the same{refering to the asshole remark}

OH by the way, just to make you happy, i'll start posting a huge SIG.  

Hope you like it!



>>>time, mabye they have information on where the files came from, but he 
>>>doesn't just post "GO SEE MY FTP SITE!!!!"  Which is what you are 
>>>doing every time you spame this NG with "CANADA'S LARGEST PRO-WHITE BBS!!!"
>>So what I try to attract people to my bbs.   Big deal.
>
>So you can play god and get $$$ donations.. yeah.  But Usenet isn't your 
>personal billboard.  

I do not play god.  Every user on my BBS is open to say WHATEVER HE FEEL LIKE. 
In the spirit of free speech I even have a file base for Mr McVay on my BBS.  
Something which he will not do for me in return.


>>>I don't read your BBS ads, but this comes down to simple rules of 
>>>netiquette, this ain't your BBS pinhead, other people own this network, 
>>>and you aren't god here.
>>Actually NO ONE OWNS THE INTERNET, PINHEAD!
>
>That's right, but there are agreed upon rules, netiquette.  

But you just stated in your previous message that, and let me QUOTE "other 
people own this network"  So make up your mind.  Which is it?  Does someone 
own the Internet or not???


>>>Sorry, wrong book... the ad YOU posted was for a book about Zundel.  And 
>>>I remember getting E-Mail from you whining about wanting to be left 
>>>alone then too.  (I still have it if you'd like to see it.)
>>BULL SHIT.  You lying idiot.  I have never done such anything like that.  
>>Sorry, you must be thinking about every girl in the world.
>
>Every girl in the world?  You're starting to get really incoherent... I 
>will now post the E-Mail message where you wine about me ripping you a 
>new asshole in public...

Incoherent?  You said that and let me QUOTE" i remember getting an E-Mail from 
you whining about wanting to be left alone"  so I remarked that the message 
must of been from every girl in the world.  Get it now


>-- BEGIN EMAIL MESSAGE --
>
>From cpn@inforamp.net Thu Jun 22 03:18:38 1995
>Received: from inforamp.net (inforamp.net [198.53.144.2]) by io.org 
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>To: lzaird@io.org
>From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
>Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:07:25
>Cc: cpn@inforamp.net
>Message-Id: 
>content-length: 1097
>Status: RO
>X-Status: A
>
>In article <3s1s1b$6a7@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes:
>>From: lzaird@io.org
>>Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel
>>Date: 18 Jun 1995 14:41:47 -0400
>
>>In article ,
>>Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>> 
>>>Here it is, the book you've been waiting for that summarizes the entire
>>>career of the most persecuted book publisher in the world, from his
>>>childhood to his latest activism, German-Canadian revisionist Ernst Zundel.
>
>>Oh plueeeze!  Cry me a river.  
>>I've heard of more persecuted book publishers...sure..during the 40's, 
>>in a little place I like to call GERMANY!
>
>Well it is 1995 and Zundel is the most prosecuted publisher in Canada.
>
>>Ahahahahahah!  The RACKET continues...Ernest sucks the WP community 
>>dry...in more ways than one...
>
>You wrong.  Zundel does not 'suck the wp community dry' 
>
>Zundel right now needs money to help rebuild his house after a Jewish 
>terrorist attack.  What is wrong if I try to help him sell a few books?
>
>He is putting his life on the line for us.. The least we can do is help him 
>out in his time of need!
>
>
>-- END MESSAGE --
>
>All comming back now?  From the torfree.net days?

WHERE IS THE PART WHERE I ASK YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE?    hahahahahah More 
bullshit from you!


>Bull shit... I think not.  Diddn't think I really saved it did ya?
>
>>>Ahahahahahahha!!!   Bull-shit, through and through.  My opinion matters, 
>>>because if it diddn't, and you diddn't think it did, you'd probablyjust 
>>>ignore me...but you KNOW I and others are scaring of potential fodder 
>>>for your little game of Nazi chess.
>>YES thats it.  NAZI chess.  Fuck your awsome!
>
>Aren't I though...
>
>>>You don't care?  Don't respond, let us cut you to little bits in front 
>>>of your Furher freinds.  But as I have said time and again, you WON'T, 
>>>because you know we're right, and you know we won't stop.
>>Nope I just like reading your stupid messages... So keep em coming!
>
>You're Colin, 'cept he's interesting.  
>
>>>Look up a fiew lines.
>>>>You have just as much right to say what you want as I do.  
>>>Yep... So I guess you don't agree with National Socialism.
>>Nope.  I don't.  I believe in Direct Democracy.
>
>Oh, please, let me be the one to ask THIS question!!!
>
>What (get ready folks), prey-tell, is 'Direct Democracy'...(snicker!)
>

It is a democracy for the people.  Where the people get to vote on all major 
issues.  It where the people govern themselves.

It is the most true and free domocracy there is.


Marc

Here is my SIG file just for you!
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>In article <40v2ha$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>NO.  From my understanding they tried to deport him, but he fought the order 
>>and won.
>>But I am not totally sure.
>
>All I know is they kicked him the hell out of Germany!
>
>(Kudos!)


What do you expect from that Banana republic.  Germany tramples on the civil 
rights of it own people.  What a sickness.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill 
people.
>>>
>>>>There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says 
>>>>this chamber was never used to gas people.
>>>
>>>You keep saying that the sign is REMOVABLE as if this means something.
>>>How is it REMOVABLE? Is is held onto a wall with REMOVABLE bolts, or
>>>is it just hanging from REMOVABLE cup hooks, or what? Bear in mind
>>>that your house is REMOVABLE with a wrecking ball and a bulldozer.
>>
>>The sign is attached to a post with a SMALL block at the bottom.  You can 
move 
>>the sign out of the way to take a picture of the gas chamber quite easily.
>>
>>
>>>So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign?
>>
>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>>
>>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>>factory.  What a sickness.   
>>
>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>>
>>And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's!  Information 
>>like this really makes you think twice.
>>
>>Marc Lemire
>>
>
>
>How about if we put up on the site of the BD complex a sign that
>reads "Nothing bad happened here"?
>
>Are you for real????


IS THAT ALL YOU CAN SAY?   You cannot argue with anything I said in this 
message so you say such a stupid remark as "are you for real"

If you have nothing to say, why on earth would you even bother to respond?!



Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:21:55 GMT
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>This is unreal! Shall we talk for a minute about the other 6 million 
>people who were killed because of their religion, thier 
>disabilities,their ethnicity or thier sexual orientation? How do you know 
>that the gas chamber at Dachau was not used to kill people? Does this 
>minor fact excuse German atrocities that were committed during the second 
>WW? I think you have serious problems!

DID YOU EVEN READ THE FILE YOU ARE RESPONDING TO?

As I said..... THERE IS A REMOVABLE SIGN RIGHT IN THE GAS CHAMBER THAT SAYS 
AND LET ME QUOTE FOR YOU .... QUOTE" GAS CHAMBER. (Disguised as a shower room) 
NEVER USED AS A GAS CHAMBER"  It is in FOUR languages.


Is that clear enough for you?  or are you so full of hate you cannot open you 
eyes?




Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement
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>> I am pointing out the the Jewish Defence League is a terrorist group and is 
>> also very violent.  I have never accused the Jewish Defence League of
>lighting 
>> the fire at Zundel's house.  But both the leaders of the Canadian and
>American 
>> Jewish Defence Leagues tried to hop over the wooden baracade at Mr. 
Zundel's 
>> house. Which I think may tie in with the original firebombing.
>> 
>
>Please explain how you have come to this conclusion, with verifiable 
evidence.

Read NOW Magazine Page 13. The May 18-24, 1995 edition.   In there is the 
story about the JDL going to Zundels house.

The JDL has for a long time been considered a Terrorist group by the FBI.  The 
JDl has in the past committed quite alot of Arsons.



>> 
>> Well not too long ago during the Zundel trial's they would spit, physically 
>> attack, threaten, throw eggs with paint in them, and throw batteries at 
>> people.  So they are quite violent.  In the states they have thrown acid in 
>> peoples faces. (During Klan and White power protests)
>> 
>> 
>And this pertains to torching Zundel's home how?


Because the heads of the Jewish Defence League tried to hop over his wooden 
baracade 3-4 nights later.   They were there for a reason.  Was it to see how 
good  their men did?  or was it just to take pictures?  


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Schwartz the medical expert gone bad!
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:16:11 GMT
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>In article <40smfp$kil@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> 
>> >Well, the DSM IV does not consider S&M behavior "sick." But of course, you
>> >know more than they do, right?
>> 
>> Who is the DSM IV?   
> 
>The DSM is the Diagnostic Manual used by all medical professionals. It
>lists everything from autism (in all its various forms) to xenophobia
>(pretty neat, huh?). In previous editions, S&M was considered deviant
>behavior. It does NOT anymore. In the IV Edition, S&M has been removed as
>an "illness."

That you for answerign my question.

 
>> Oh ya and read what I said.  IT'S DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS!
> 
>NO, it depends on what MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS SAY. They say it's not. But
>of course, you know better.

It DOES NTO DEPEND on what Medical professionals say.  It is a personal 
desision.  If you want to get fucked and also get the shit kicked out of you 
at the same time.  That is your choice. Not a Doctors


>> >> I also have the right to decide how I would like my sexual encounters.  
I 
>> >> personally do not feel like getting beat up while having sex.  But if 
you 
>> do, well I guess thats your problem.
>> >> 
>> >WHOA!!! Now WHO is calling WHO?! I never said I liked anything of the
>> >sort. Once again, you're jumping to major conclusions here. The fact that
>> >I read asb is no different than the fact that Leuchter reads asb. Neither
>> >of us is a pervert.
>> 
>> I never said you do.....  NOTICE I USED THE WORD "BUT" 
>
>The word BUT? How fascinating. Is anyone else buying this? 

Boy you are unreal.

>
>> Then whay was it on his FTP site for so long?  He must on know since it
>caused 
>> such a big controversy last year.
>
>Mr. McVay has LOTS of information on his site. This one slipped through
>the cracks. When it was pointed out, it was removed. Period.

It is nice that he did remove it, but the fact still remains that it was on 
for a year and the damage was caused.  If I, or anyone else points out that 
anyfiles on my BBS are either fakes or I feel they are innapropriate, then I 
would erase them.  

And I have quite a few more files than McVay does.


 
Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 07:23:46 GMT
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># One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators 
># were in the chamber and passed it off to the American people 
># as some kind of killing factory.  What a sickness.   
>
>As noted quite a few times on this newsgroup, during the recent
>debate about the Dachau gas chamber, there's a letter from
>Rascher to Himmler which explicitly discusses gassing human
>being in Dachau. Interested readers can look up "Nazi Mass Murder",
>Yale University Press, 1993, chapter 8, where part of the
>letter is quoted and its index in German archives is given.

Please repost these quotes you are refering to.

The Dachau "Gas chamber" lie is going to be opened up again here, you can bet 
on that!


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber story exposed
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>Alexander Baron   wrote:
>
># It wasn't disguised as a shower, what was shown at the time was
># an ordinary shower and a delousing chamber.
>
>Can anyone who saw the gas chamber confirm this?


I have seen pictures and video's of the "shower room/gas chamber"

I do not think it is or was going to be used as a gas chamber.  

There is also a big sign in the room but up by the government stating that no 
one was ever gassed in here.


Marc

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Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>>> [... I wrote:]
>>>>>Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand
>>>>>the difference? (A silly question, I know...)
>>>
>>>
>>>>HAHAHHA.  They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by 
>>e-mail 
>>>>thingy.
>>>
>>>Incorrect -- in fact, another lie. Your ads contain no information
>>>about anything other than your BBS (not counting, of course, your lie
>>>that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed
>>>Resistance". Ken's files are information concerning the Holocaust and
>>>Holocaust revisionism, with information at the bottom on how to
>>>retrieve copies of those files and others.
>
>>My BBS is also a large database of files, like Mr. McVays FTP site.  There 
is 
>>very little difference execpt for his is accesable through the Internet and 
>>mine is accessible only via phone lines.
>
>Irrelevant. We were discussing the nature of your ads versus the
>nature of Ken's posts, not the nature of the sites themselves.

Yes and as I have stated, his are also ads.


>Your posts are ads; Ken's are not. Do you intend to deal with this
>point, ignore it, or just try to change the subject again?

I have dealt with it.  You even quote me dealing with it.  They are ads just 
like mine are ads.


>>>Your BBS is a commercial enterprise. Ken's FTP site is not.
>
>>Now that is a Lie.  My BBS is free, so how could it be a commercial 
>>Enterprise.  It is the same as McVays FTP site.  He accepts donations to 
help 
>>keep it going, I accept donations to help keep my BBS running.
>
>From your ad:
>
>>          SOON TO HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!!! SIGN UP NOW
>>       DON'T BE CENSORED BY POLITICALLY CORRECT FOOLS LIKE PRODIGY
>>                           ONLY $15/YEAR
>
>The word "donation" appears where, exactly? Looks like a subscription
>BBS to me.

If you want Internet access you have to give a donation.  Once on my BBS you 
will see quite clearly where I state DONATION.  There is NO CHARGE to logon 
the bbs and access our 1.2 gig Harddrive.  It is also FREE to read messages 
and do anything else on the bbs.  Also you might NOTICE THE WORD "SOON"  So as 
you can tell it is not set up yet.

Marc


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
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>>>In article <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote:
>>>No no... Ken posts CONTENT, you SPAM.  Ken's posts are different every 
>>All it is, is a listing of the files availible via E-mail.  So I posted my 
>>Allfiles list for all to see.
>
>Huh?  Ken posts different things every time...what the fuck are you 
>talking about, "all it is"?  What you're doing is advertising your BBS, 

I advertise my BBS quite openly.  I am not ashamed of that.  I get quite alot 
if users from the Internet.  So why wouldn't I?


>and you accept "donations", but with that you probably get more online 
>time or whatever... I know how the BBS game works.  But this isn't your 

Yes OFCOURSE!  If a user would like to donate money, I do give him more online 
time.  So what.


>BBS, you aren't the "all powerful" SysOp.  You're spamming.  Others may 
>not appretiate it, INCLUDING WP types who don't have access to, or don't 
>give a shit about the 416 area code.  Marc, on Usenet, you're just 
>another asshole.  Now, if you posted an entire FILE from your BBS, and 
>then left your .sig at the bottom of it, then that would be different.  

Well you are also the same{refering to the asshole remark}

OH by the way, just to make you happy, i'll start posting a huge SIG.  

Hope you like it!



>>>time, mabye they have information on where the files came from, but he 
>>>doesn't just post "GO SEE MY FTP SITE!!!!"  Which is what you are 
>>>doing every time you spame this NG with "CANADA'S LARGEST PRO-WHITE BBS!!!"
>>So what I try to attract people to my bbs.   Big deal.
>
>So you can play god and get $$$ donations.. yeah.  But Usenet isn't your 
>personal billboard.  

I do not play god.  Every user on my BBS is open to say WHATEVER HE FEEL LIKE. 
In the spirit of free speech I even have a file base for Mr McVay on my BBS.  
Something which he will not do for me in return.


>>>I don't read your BBS ads, but this comes down to simple rules of 
>>>netiquette, this ain't your BBS pinhead, other people own this network, 
>>>and you aren't god here.
>>Actually NO ONE OWNS THE INTERNET, PINHEAD!
>
>That's right, but there are agreed upon rules, netiquette.  

But you just stated in your previous message that, and let me QUOTE "other 
people own this network"  So make up your mind.  Which is it?  Does someone 
own the Internet or not???


>>>Sorry, wrong book... the ad YOU posted was for a book about Zundel.  And 
>>>I remember getting E-Mail from you whining about wanting to be left 
>>>alone then too.  (I still have it if you'd like to see it.)
>>BULL SHIT.  You lying idiot.  I have never done such anything like that.  
>>Sorry, you must be thinking about every girl in the world.
>
>Every girl in the world?  You're starting to get really incoherent... I 
>will now post the E-Mail message where you wine about me ripping you a 
>new asshole in public...

Incoherent?  You said that and let me QUOTE" i remember getting an E-Mail from 
you whining about wanting to be left alone"  so I remarked that the message 
must of been from every girl in the world.  Get it now


>-- BEGIN EMAIL MESSAGE --
>
>From cpn@inforamp.net Thu Jun 22 03:18:38 1995
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>To: lzaird@io.org
>From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
>Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:07:25
>Cc: cpn@inforamp.net
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>
>In article <3s1s1b$6a7@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes:
>>From: lzaird@io.org
>>Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel
>>Date: 18 Jun 1995 14:41:47 -0400
>
>>In article ,
>>Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>> 
>>>Here it is, the book you've been waiting for that summarizes the entire
>>>career of the most persecuted book publisher in the world, from his
>>>childhood to his latest activism, German-Canadian revisionist Ernst Zundel.
>
>>Oh plueeeze!  Cry me a river.  
>>I've heard of more persecuted book publishers...sure..during the 40's, 
>>in a little place I like to call GERMANY!
>
>Well it is 1995 and Zundel is the most prosecuted publisher in Canada.
>
>>Ahahahahahah!  The RACKET continues...Ernest sucks the WP community 
>>dry...in more ways than one...
>
>You wrong.  Zundel does not 'suck the wp community dry' 
>
>Zundel right now needs money to help rebuild his house after a Jewish 
>terrorist attack.  What is wrong if I try to help him sell a few books?
>
>He is putting his life on the line for us.. The least we can do is help him 
>out in his time of need!
>
>
>-- END MESSAGE --
>
>All comming back now?  From the torfree.net days?

WHERE IS THE PART WHERE I ASK YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE?    hahahahahah More 
bullshit from you!


>Bull shit... I think not.  Diddn't think I really saved it did ya?
>
>>>Ahahahahahahha!!!   Bull-shit, through and through.  My opinion matters, 
>>>because if it diddn't, and you diddn't think it did, you'd probablyjust 
>>>ignore me...but you KNOW I and others are scaring of potential fodder 
>>>for your little game of Nazi chess.
>>YES thats it.  NAZI chess.  Fuck your awsome!
>
>Aren't I though...
>
>>>You don't care?  Don't respond, let us cut you to little bits in front 
>>>of your Furher freinds.  But as I have said time and again, you WON'T, 
>>>because you know we're right, and you know we won't stop.
>>Nope I just like reading your stupid messages... So keep em coming!
>
>You're Colin, 'cept he's interesting.  
>
>>>Look up a fiew lines.
>>>>You have just as much right to say what you want as I do.  
>>>Yep... So I guess you don't agree with National Socialism.
>>Nope.  I don't.  I believe in Direct Democracy.
>
>Oh, please, let me be the one to ask THIS question!!!
>
>What (get ready folks), prey-tell, is 'Direct Democracy'...(snicker!)
>

It is a democracy for the people.  Where the people get to vote on all major 
issues.  It where the people govern themselves.

It is the most true and free domocracy there is.


Marc

Here is my SIG file just for you!
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics
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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill 
people.
>>>
>>>>There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says 
>>>>this chamber was never used to gas people.
>>>
>>>You keep saying that the sign is REMOVABLE as if this means something.
>>>How is it REMOVABLE? Is is held onto a wall with REMOVABLE bolts, or
>>>is it just hanging from REMOVABLE cup hooks, or what? Bear in mind
>>>that your house is REMOVABLE with a wrecking ball and a bulldozer.
>>
>>The sign is attached to a post with a SMALL block at the bottom.  You can 
move 
>>the sign out of the way to take a picture of the gas chamber quite easily.
>>
>>
>>>So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign?
>>
>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>>
>>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>>factory.  What a sickness.   
>>
>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>>
>>And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's!  Information 
>>like this really makes you think twice.
>>
>>Marc Lemire
>>
>
>
>How about if we put up on the site of the BD complex a sign that
>reads "Nothing bad happened here"?
>
>Are you for real????


IS THAT ALL YOU CAN SAY?   You cannot argue with anything I said in this 
message so you say such a stupid remark as "are you for real"

If you have nothing to say, why on earth would you even bother to respond?!



Marc



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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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>This is unreal! Shall we talk for a minute about the other 6 million 
>people who were killed because of their religion, thier 
>disabilities,their ethnicity or thier sexual orientation? How do you know 
>that the gas chamber at Dachau was not used to kill people? Does this 
>minor fact excuse German atrocities that were committed during the second 
>WW? I think you have serious problems!

DID YOU EVEN READ THE FILE YOU ARE RESPONDING TO?

As I said..... THERE IS A REMOVABLE SIGN RIGHT IN THE GAS CHAMBER THAT SAYS 
AND LET ME QUOTE FOR YOU .... QUOTE" GAS CHAMBER. (Disguised as a shower room) 
NEVER USED AS A GAS CHAMBER"  It is in FOUR languages.


Is that clear enough for you?  or are you so full of hate you cannot open you 
eyes?




Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement
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>> I am pointing out the the Jewish Defence League is a terrorist group and is 
>> also very violent.  I have never accused the Jewish Defence League of
>lighting 
>> the fire at Zundel's house.  But both the leaders of the Canadian and
>American 
>> Jewish Defence Leagues tried to hop over the wooden baracade at Mr. 
Zundel's 
>> house. Which I think may tie in with the original firebombing.
>> 
>
>Please explain how you have come to this conclusion, with verifiable 
evidence.

Read NOW Magazine Page 13. The May 18-24, 1995 edition.   In there is the 
story about the JDL going to Zundels house.

The JDL has for a long time been considered a Terrorist group by the FBI.  The 
JDl has in the past committed quite alot of Arsons.



>> 
>> Well not too long ago during the Zundel trial's they would spit, physically 
>> attack, threaten, throw eggs with paint in them, and throw batteries at 
>> people.  So they are quite violent.  In the states they have thrown acid in 
>> peoples faces. (During Klan and White power protests)
>> 
>> 
>And this pertains to torching Zundel's home how?


Because the heads of the Jewish Defence League tried to hop over his wooden 
baracade 3-4 nights later.   They were there for a reason.  Was it to see how 
good  their men did?  or was it just to take pictures?  


Marc


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>> Holy Shit.  I am NOT going over it again and again for you.   Just look 
back 
>> at my old messages and you can read about it there.
>
>
>I have read your previous postings. Please provide EVIDENCE for your
>claims. You have made the claim that Zundel's home was 'lit on fore by the
>JAR' - please provide EVIDENCE - I have yet to see anything in your posts
>resembling EVIDENCE.


Look Mr. Ghandi.  I am not going over it again and again for you people.

I have and many others have wanted to put this to rest.  We are getting no 
where.   I believe one thing, you may believe another thing.

We will probibly never come to a conclusion.  So lets let the cops do their 
work and we'll fire up this debate again when they catch the criminals 
responsible.

Then we will know who was right.


Marc


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>> >> Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  Don't quite your day job.  (I hope 
it's 
>> >> not like McVay in a gas station)
>> >> 
>> >
>> >What difference does it make that Mr. McVay works in a gas station ?
>> 
>> 
>> Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas 
station.
>> But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>> 
>
>If it was not a feeble attempt at character assasination then why did you
>even bother to mention it? It is not relevant to ANY discussions that have
>taken place thus far.


It seem you came a bit late.  I wrote the original part about McVay because he 
was remarking on my age and saying I wear Diapers.  

PLease go back and read this message.  THEN POST PUBLICALLY THAT IT IS WRONG 
FOR MCVAY TO ASK ASSASINATE MY CHARACTER.


Marc




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>In article <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>> many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>> began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>> pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>> stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>> former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>It's a pity that you have more sympathy for German Shepards than you do
>for people, marc.
> 
>Makes MY stomach turn to see photographs of those same dogs attacking
>starving and weak concentration camp inmates.
> 
>Pity.
>


The dogs are still Innocent.  They were in cages when the Americans came into 
the camp.  They did not have to kill the dogs.  Expecially with clubs.  They 
could have shot the dogs.  They did not have to make the dogs suffer by 
beating them till they were dead.



OH and by the way, just because I was talking about dogs in the following 
paragraph, does not in anyway mean I have no feeling for the inmates that were 
hurt.   Please don't play word games.



Marc


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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>: It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>: gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>
>: One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>: chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>: factory.  What a sickness.   
>
>: When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>: many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>: began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>: pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>: stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>: former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>   JAR-Head, this is complete and utter bullshit. I've read a LOT of books
>   about the second world war, from eye-witness accounts to historical
>   analysis, and NO WHERE has the above attrocities been mentioned.
>
>   Lemme guess, your proof comes from German sources, right?

NO they were from American sources.  Besides ALL THE GERMANS WERE KILLED.  So 
what German source could I quote from?


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>In article <4124i2$jh5@daily-planet.execpc.com> "John Q. Public" 
 writes:
>>From: "John Q. Public" 
>>Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
>>Date: 18 Aug 1995 13:28:34 GMT
>
>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill 
people.
>>>>
>>>>>There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that 
says 
>>>>>this chamber was never used to gas people.
>
>As a person whose relatives were in Dachau during the WWII - I feel that I am 
>quite qualified to proclaim here (with offense fully intended) that the guy 
>who put here that Dachau gas chambers were never used to kill people is 
>FUCKING ASSHOLE!!! I mean it!
>
>and no! Do NOT have a nice day!


Well I have offered proof, right from the mayor of dachau, the sign in Dachau, 
the administrator of dachau and from a few Americans who were there.

THE GAS CHAMBER IN DACHAU WAS NEVER USED TO KILL PEOPLE.


I am sick and tired of you people trying to make Dachau into something it is 
not. Is was not a killing factory.  PLAIN AND SIMPLE.


Marc


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>In article <40v6ku$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>>Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas 
station.
>>But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>
>I hope you don't, too, Mr. Lemire. Frankly, I doubt you have
>the ability to supervise ten employees and a 4.5 million
>dollar annual budget.


You may think whatever you want.  Put I think from now on we should stop 
writing this type of stuff.  We do not need to insult each other.  It will get 
us not where.  

I say and I hope you will agree that we should from now on leave our personal 
lives out of these debates.


Marc


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>Chris Iggulden (4cii@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote:
>: This is unreal! Shall we talk for a minute about the other 6 million 
>: people who were killed because of their religion, thier 
>: disabilities,their ethnicity or thier sexual orientation? How do you know 
>: that the gas chamber at Dachau was not used to kill people? Does this 
>: minor fact excuse German atrocities that were committed during the second 
>: WW? I think you have serious problems!
>

>Having visited Dachau, let me point out that there are *two*
>crematoria, the second built because the original one could not
>handle the number of bodies to be incinerated.  While the
>older crematorium did not include a gas chamber, there was no
>shortage of bodies; the long working hours, poor diet,
>the crowded & disease-ridden barracks and, finally, the deliberate
>executions of inmates by guards ensured that the crematorium
>chimney constantly fumed thick, black smoke.  Dachau was

Coem on there was NOT THINK BLACK SMOKE.  Pick up an encyclopedia and look 
under crematoriums.  They solved the problem of smoke coming oout of the 
stakes way back in the middle 1800's.  That is bullshit.


>used as a labour-camp, the inmates produced munitions.  So as
>long as they were capable of working, they were useful to the
>Deutsche war effort as slave labour.  
>
>Now the second, newer, and much larger crematorium does include a
>gas chamber.  The previous poster is correct in pointing out that
>there is a sign that states that this room was never used for 
>its intended purpose.  But then there are other 
>signs: one explains that inmates were hung by the neck from 
>wooden support beams while their fellow-inmates were 
>forced to feed the ovens with bodies and coal, all of this done 
>to the amusement of the guards.

Amusement of the guards?  They were cremating the bodies to try to help solve 
the Lice problem.  There was not a sinister plot behind it like you are trying 
to imply.


>Elaborating on the point Chris makes above, let us not lose 
>sight of the fact that there are many hideous and evil ways 
>to kill those human beings some people happen not to like.  If 
>the sign is correct, it would seem that poison gas was not 
>used at Dachau. But this does not in the least alter the 
>fact that great atrocities were committed there. 

There were atrocities committed there, but even after the Americans liberated 
it there were thousands of people dying.  The Americans committed atrocities 
when the "liberated" the camp.  They butchered EVERY GUARD.  That is also an 
atrocity.


>I strongly recommend that anyone visiting Munich should include a
>side trip to Dachau in their itinerary.  It was for me a most
>emotional experience:  although it was more than forty years since
>the ovens were last fired, I do believe I could still smell the smoke.

I bet you could.  

OH YA.  They also solved the problem of smells coming from the Crematorium way 
back in the middle 1800's.  So there was NO SMELL OR THICK BLACK SMOKE coming 
>from  the crematorium.


Marc



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>The thing I love about neo Nazis is that they declare:
>
>HITLER NEVER KILLED ANY JEWS but (in a whispered voice), he should
>have.
>

Please quote who said this?  I have personally NEVER heard such a quote.


>Hitler as a moderate.  Some people have an odd notion of history.

NO one has said he was a moderate. 


Please get your stuff straight.


Marc


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>schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>
>
>>It's a pity that you have more sympathy for German Shepards than you do
>>for people, marc.
>> 
>>Makes MY stomach turn to see photographs of those same dogs attacking
>>starving and weak concentration camp inmates.
>> 
>
>Marc is playing on a certain trait of the American (and perhaps other)
>people.  A man and his dog got hit by a train.  The local paper got
>2 dozen calls asking how the dog was.  Nobody enquired about the man.

I am not playing on anything.  I think that what happened was sick.  I never 
said that I don't care about what happened to the inmates.  Ms. Schwartz is 
playing some kind of game and making up stuff I never said.


Marc


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>In article <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>  :When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>  :many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>  :began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>  :pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>  :stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and
>there 
>  :former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>Nice. You make it sound like the big, bad Allies were running through the
>contryside bludgeoning people's puppies. These were guard dogs, Marc. They
>were trained to attack people at their handler's command. They were,
>perhaps, a greater danger than the human guards, because they were trained
>to attack, but not to surrender.

That does not answer why the Americans used CLUBS TO KILL THE DOGS.  They 
could have easily used their guns to kill them, but no that had to put the 
dog though increadible pain and use clubs to kill them.  

That is sick.  No matter how you look at it.



Marc


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>> It really made my 
>> stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>> former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>> 
>
>Who is they?


What the hell are you talking about Gandhi?  The word THEY is never even used 
in the section you quoted.


Please wake up before posting.


Marc


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In article ,
>OK Lemire, you asked for case law and information from the Canadian law
>books, so here goes.
>
>This is what you have asserted:
>
>1. Zundel's home was burned to the ground. (Not disputed)
>2. Mr. Dunphy of the Toronto Sun received an anonymous phone call from a
>caller who claimed to be a member of the Jewish Armed Resistance.
>3. The Toronto Sun published an article which reports that an anonymous
>caller claimed responsibility for the burning of Zundel's home.
>4. You claim that Zundel's home 'was lit on fire by the JAR'
>

>Some people have accused me (and probably others like Mr. McVay) of not
>having a open mind or attempting to hinder free speech. Quite to the
>contrary. I do not want you and your ilk to spread like a festering wound
>beneath the surface, preying on the naive. I want you to state your
>opinions as loudly as you can. Distribute whatever pamphlets you like, and
>advertise your BBS as much as you like. I would rather the world sees you
>and others like you for what you are - purveyors of hatred and intolerance
>and fear.


I am getting sick and tired of argueing with you.  I have mentioned on quite a 
few other messages and quite a few other people have said lets put this to 
rest.

I have made my point before and you have made yours.  We disagree and we (I do 
not think) ever agree.  So now lets move on to something else


Marc

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>Oh yes the poor Nazi guards! Reading your bullshit made kind of hope that 
>the Yanks did kill a bunch of guards. That's because too many war 
>criminals got away during the Nuremburg Trials. Swift justice, legality 
>didn't matter if those guards were really killed.

You are a very sick person.  How could you wish harm upon anyone?
How could you also say that it doesn't matter if those guards were really 
killed.  How would you feel if I said, it doesn't matter if any Jews were 
killed.


>So what was Dachau? Some sort of luxury labour camp? Take away the Jews 
>money, property, livelihood, THEIR LIVES PERIOD. Then put them in a 
>goldplated workcamp with the world's most progressive labour laws!
>
>You nazi wingnuts ought to try a dose of reality!

Actually only EIGHT PERCENT OF DACHAU WAS JEWISH.  And it was not a luxury 
camp.  it was a forced labour camp.  No one said it was nice there.  I say 
that NO PERSON IN THE CAMP WAS EVER GASSED THEIR.



>The bottom line is approximately 6 million Jews were murdered from 1933 
>to 1945. Then add on atleast another 1 or 2 million gays, lesbians, the 
>mentally handicapped, the physically handicapped, gypsies, and host of 
>nationals that stood up against the Nazi.

I do not think that Six million Jews were killed.  I do know that alot of Jews 
were but I must serously question the six million number.




>May you goosestep off the edge of a high cliff!

You are a very sick person.  have you thought about professional help?


Marc 
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>Mike Beebe (beebe@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: : It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>: : gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>: : One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in 
the 
>: : chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>: : factory.  What a sickness.   
>: : When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after 
shooting 
>: : many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>: : began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>: : pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>: : stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>: : former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>:    JAR-Head, this is complete and utter bullshit. I've read a LOT of books
>:    about the second world war, from eye-witness accounts to historical
>:    analysis, and NO WHERE has the above attrocities been mentioned.
>:    Lemme guess, your proof comes from German sources, right?
>
> Don't blame this idiot's delusional ranting on the Germans of today. I 
>would like to ask the idiot how he explains the Germans' acceptance, 
>atonement, restitution, and apology for this HISTORICAL FACT.
>

Can you please quote where the German government said that they were sorry FOR 
GASSING PEOPLE IN DACHAU.  I would very much like to read this.


Marc


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>In article <40vcku$mkv@ionews.io.org>, kamamer@io.org (karl mamer) wrote:
>
>> cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>> > 
>> > Why on earth would Zundel burn his own house?  Why would zundel burn his 
>> > pricless books? and almost kill the person who was watching his house?
>> > 
>> > Nazi under every rock 'eh?
>> 
>> Why would jews lie about the death of 6 million people?
>> 
>> You've got your conspiracy theories, we've got ours. Right?

I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT?  What the hell are you talking about.

Making up some of those "mcvay style" facts...

Try to get your story at least partially right!



>Look, why does this allegation keep on resurfacing? ZUNDEL'S HOUSE DID NOT
>BURN! IT DID NOT HAPPEN! I was downtown a few weeks ago, and I saw the
>place. Admittedly, it was a charred ruin, but THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT
>BURNED!!!


What non-sence!



Marc

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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>You are the one who made the statement that I am a nazi.  So YOU are the one 
>>who knows about Ignorant statements.
>
>Well, what's your opinion of Nazis and neo-Nazis? You don't have to
>be a card carrying member of the party to be one. I'm a "liberal"
>but I'm not a member of any liberal party.


Well a Nazi is a member of the NSDAP.  Or in english the Nazi party which fell 
apart in 1945.  A Neo-Nazi is a buzzword of the 1990's.  There is not really 1 
definition of it. Nowadays Neo-Nazi means racist, hatemonger, anti-semite, 
white supremisist all wraped up into one.

Since I an none of the above I therefore cannot be a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi.



Marc

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>> 
>> Yes it's called a Reverse onest (sp?) situation.
>> 
>> If you are charged with something like child molesting, you have to prove 
you 
>> didn't do it.
>> 
>> Check out the Canadian Law books.  It's in there.
>> 
>Apparently you are completely unfamiliar with the law. The Reverse ONUS
>'situation' does not apply to something like child molesting, nor does it
>apply to acts of terrorism. Check the Canadian Law books. If you like, I
>will provide references, by Case.

I believe you are wrong, but since I am not a criminal Lawyer I cannot argue 
with you on it.  You are correct I do not know very much about the law, since 
I have never commited a crime I also do not have first hand information on 
it.


Could you please cite some reverse onus situations so I will know in the 
future?



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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>In article <40t4ub$23r@nanaimo.island.net>,
>
>>>In article <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>>
>>>[mcvay] My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!"
>>>>>Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish
>>>>>and Zionist organization should be paying me?  While you're at it,
>>>>>please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can
>>>>>get my letterheads printed correctly.
>>>
>>>>OK Kenny-boy.  Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network.  Their address is 6 
>>Ben 
>>>
>>>That's _really_ funny :-)
>
>>I bet it is.  
>
>
>>>>Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel.  Your contact person is Zvi Lando.  (The 
>>follwoing 
>>>>information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149.  
>>>>ISSN number 1081-2385.  The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale 
>>>>Research Inc.)
>>>
>>>This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier!
>
>
>>Are you saying that the book is lying?   Are you denying that you are 
>>not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network?
>
>What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?

It does not give the exact amount.

>Or is this another example of Lemire/Cloud-Cuckoo-Land Logic (TM)? Do

What the hell are you talking about sir?  "Lemire/cloud-cuckoo-land logic"?


Please get real.


>you assume that, since Zvi Lando and Ken McVay are mentioned in the
>same paragraph, that one must be in the pocket of the other? Be real
>brave, Lemire -- for once. Tell us exactly what you base you
>allegations on.

CAN'T YOU READ.  I GAVE THE EXACT BOOK, THE EXACT PAGE NUMBER, THE ISSN 
NUMBER AND THE AUTHORS NAME.


WAKE UP!



>> [...deletia...]
>>Wow... You even get to give tax deductions.   Boy you really have set up 
quite 
>>a nice business.
>
>Exactly how does one make a profit from giving tax deductions, Lemire?


Get real buddy!  If you give tax deductions people will give you money just to 
take it off their taxes.   come on don't play that stupid!


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>
>You say "German", I say "Nazi", but...

You are a very sick person.  How could you say such a thing.


>Innocence of what? Of gassings particularly? Apparently there were
>gassings, several here have offered reliable and scholarly evidence of
>this.

Really please point out ONE reliable and scholarly source for evidence of 
gassign in Dachau?


>But you still haven't cited anything as to how you know anything about
>this sign. For all we know it's something some buddy of yours told you
>over beers one night, maybe complete bull.

You are stretching the truth here.  I did say where I heard about the sign.  
But it seems you failed to mention the other points.  IE.  The Mayor and 
Administrative director and also an American doctor which I also quoted.



>Look, either you saw it yourself, or you read it somewhere, or you
>heard it somewhere. That's something we're asking, how did you come to
>know this? I have no idea if it's true or not, but even after reading
>your hearsay-sounding story I still don't know.

I say a pictures of it.  I also say a video of the sign in the Shower room.  I 
also know at least 5 people who say the sign with their very own eyes.


>>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>>factory.  What a sickness.   
>
>Well, it was, and Dachau in general certainly was a "killing factory".
>
>Overall it's hardly misleading.

PLEASE GiVE ME SOME FACTS THAT DACHAU WAS A KILLING FACTORY?



>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.
>
>Again, what's the source of your rather vivid description?

THE SOURCE WAS QUOTED IN THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE.  Don't leave it out and then 
ask.   


>I think it would be nice for a reader to know if this is something
>reliable, or perhaps some hearsay you got in your school's locker room
>one day.
>
>It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by
>American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in
>his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678:
>
>	Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant
>	Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the
>	inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American
>	soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw
>	of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one
>	incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the
>	SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up
>	against a wall.
>
>See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable
>and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has
>received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended
>press reports than analytic histories.)
>
>I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted
>the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book
>in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer
>anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course
>they're free to look into other sources if they like.
>
>Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of
>people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard
>dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our
>far removed and comfortable sensibilities.
>
>Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty
>much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an
>inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have
>done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like
>German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained
>attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding
>the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the
>circumstances.
>
>At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't.

The whole point about the dogs was how savage teh Americans killed them.  
Using CLUBS instead of there guns.  If there were shot there would be very 
little pain to the dog since it would have died quite fast.  but being clubbed 
to death.  That is very painfull.



>History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit
>still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only
>about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.)
>
>So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted?
>
>For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the
>day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within
>the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same
>source, Gilbert, same page.)

Yes that is due to the typhus epidemic.  Not due to the Germans directly 
killing them.



>So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a
>"killing factory".
>
>Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I
>have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but
>taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny
>percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation.
>
>As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would
>have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity
>at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or
>unjustified, the horrible result.


I must agree.  I also wish that the nazi's did NOT have such camps.  In the 
end it only worked against them.  And it a huge source for Anti-German 
Propaganda today.


Marc

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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: In article ,
>:  
>: Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  
>: Don't quite your day job.  (I hope it's not 
>: like McVay in a gas station)
>
>
>What's the matter, Marc? You hvae a problem with people who do an honest 
>day's work? You have a problem with people who work with their hands and 
>their brains?
> 
>By the way, Marc. where do YOU work?


OH yes I hate people who do an honest days work.

That is why I chose one of the hardest careers in the world.  Just because I 
hate hard workers.


Get real please



Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign?
>
>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>
>	Marc?
>
>	What if somebody simply put the sign up there that easily in the first
>place, and people really WERE gassed there?
>
>	What then?

get it straight.  NO ONE WAS GASSED IN DACHAU.  NO ONE.  NO JEW, NO POLE, NO 
GERMAN.  NO ONE.    


No if's and or but's...... NO ONE!	


>>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>>factory.  What a sickness.   
>
>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>>And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's!  Information 
>>like this really makes you think twice.
>
>>Marc Lemire
>
>	(sigh...)
>
>	Wow.
>
>	Hey, Marc?  How d'ya know those photos aren't faked, bud?

Oh yes... thats it.  the photo was faked.  Well I might scan it in and 
UUencode it and post the pictures here for you all to see.  


>Or try these sites out.
>>ERNST ZUNDEL'S VOICE OF FREEDOM WWW SITE
>
>	uhmm, Marc?
>
>	Have you got a URL for us, babe?  Did it ever occur to you that the
>fuckin' URL might be fuckin' useful to finding the fuckin' Web page?
>
>	Or are you just fuckin' useless brick-head?

Sure here are some URL's just for you "bud"



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>: >When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>: >many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>: >began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>: >pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>: >stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>: >former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>That is a real shame.  My heart just really goes out to them.  I wonder 
>which guard was responsible for taking prisoners to the crematoriams? I 
>wonder which guard was responsible for escorting inmates to a wall so 
>they could be shot?  I woner which one of them laughed while the other 
>guards gang raped the female prisoners?  I wonder which guard dog tore a 
>prisoner apart on command?  Yeah, the vision you discribed really is just 
>pathetic.  Pathetic that human scum like these 'guards' were allowed to 
>live as long as they did.  What about eye witness acounts?  Hmmmm?  Do 
>you know how many survivors of the camp have talked about their experiences 
>there?  Or do you only listen to Nazi propaganda?  Well, if 
>that's the case, why aren't you listening to the well documented Nazi 
>accounts of gassin at this camp and others?  They were very careful to 
>ensure their deeds would be remembered.  

Please quote your source for all these autrocities.  And to answer one now.
German guards were forbidded by LAW to enguage in any encounters with Jewish 
people.  Watch the movie Schindlers List.  Schindler gets arrested for kissing 
a jewish Girl.  So if the guards did it, these would surley be swiftly 
arrested.



>: 	Or are you just fuckin' useless brick-head?
>
>Billy... he's a useless brick-head.  Would you mind if I plagerised (sp) 
>this insult?  I like it... very discriptive!  I'm going to run over to 
>the alt.feminism newsgroup with it!  :-)

Child's stuff.  Start dealing with the facts I am bringing up about Dachau.  


Marc


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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>
>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>You accuse American troops of KILLING DOGS?! Oh my god, how low did we 
>sink? Gee, I hope all the soldiers involved in this atrocious crime 
>against caninity were caught and punished! 
>
>The horror! The horror!


It was not right.  It was very brutal and sickning.


Marc

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>Alexander Baron  writes:
>
>>You forgot to mention that Dachau had a brothel. Perhaps Sonderbehandlung
>>was not always such a terrible thing!
>
>You respond to a description of the murder and suffering of thousands of 
>Dachau inmates with this? I was thinking you might be of a slightly 
>higher order than Benjamin Johnson, Rick Savage, et al. Thank you for 
>reminding us all that despite a few token disagreements with these folks, 
>you are in fact just one more sick fuck.


Mr. Baron is the sick fuck.  In the past message I wrote to you, you were 
making fun of the Dogs killed by American's in Dachau.

I think you are the sick one.


Marc


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>On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, Marc Lemire wrote:
>
>> 
>> I have already posted here that I am NOT a Revisionist.  So get it right.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I deleted the rest, since it's so stupid, I am not going to waste any more 
of 
>> my time with you.
>
>Thank heavens!  Please, Mr. Lemire, could you do us all the 
>considerable courtesy of similarly editing the messages you reply to, so 
>that you quote only the relevant parts of those messages?  
>
>It wouldn't necessarily gain any more respect for your ideas (and I use 
>the term loosely), but it would at least make your posts slightly less 
>irritating.

If my posts are so "irritating"  why do you read them.  You see my name 
attached to the message, maybe you should just skip by it and go onto 
someone else whose post you find more attractive.


>And then you could work on trivial little matters like checking your 
>spelling, reducing the size of your prolix .sig, and not feeling 

Just to make you happy, I have triples the size of my SIG file.  Hope you like 
it!


>compelled to reply to every single message in a topic thread.  (That last 
>suggestion could really reduce the amount of time we're ALL wasting with 
>your posts...)

If people are going to attach me. well i'm most certainly going to attack 
back.


Marc


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>: >The JAR? There is no such thing. Any idiot can make up a piece of paper 
>: >claiming responsibility on behalf of a fictional organisation. I think 
>: >it's quite likely that given the similarity of names between the JAR and 
>: >the WAR (White Aryan Resistance) it's MORE likely that the Jewish Armed 
>: >Resistance is simply a white racists idea of what a Jewish group might 
>: >call itself. Jews have always been used by Nazis as scapegoats and it 
>: >wouldn't surprise me if Zundel and company forged a claim of 
>: >responsibility in order to blame it on the Jews. 
>
>: Boy thats a good one.  The Jewish Armed Resistance is really the White 
Aryan 
>: Resistance!  How did you ever figure it out.  Fuck, your intelligence is 
quite 
>: superior!
>
>
>So if you were a white supremacist trying to make up a name for a Jewish 
>group so you could pin something on Jews, what name would you come up with?
>
>BTW, how much insurance money did Ernst collect for the fire?
>
>Just asking.


Well call Mr. Zundel and ask him yourself.  His phone number is (416) 
922-9850.



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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>In article <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>>
>>>[mcvay]
>>>
>>>>>Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun
>>>>>accused the JAR of arson....
>>>
>>>>I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson. 
 
>>>>What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story 
>>>>where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson.  You are taking my 
words 
>>>>out of context.
>>>
>>>Out of context, Mr. Lemire? Let's see:
>>>
>>>Your ad stated "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*"
>>>
>>>....and...
>>>
>>>"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)"
>>>
>>>That's the full context, Mr. Lemire. A clear, concise statement that
>>>the Toronto Sun said the fire was "lit" by the JAR.
>>>
>>>A lie, Mr. Lemire.
>
>
>>It was claimed in the Toronto Sun.
>
>>Here is exactly what the opening article said.
>
>>QUOTE"[Headline] Zionist group claims arson"
>
>>QUOTE " A shawdowy offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed 
>>responsibility for Sundays arson attack on the home of neo-Nazi publisher 
>>Ernst Zundel.  A man claiming to be with the "Jewish Armed Resistance 
>>movement" contacted the Sun yesterday to say his group was responsible for 
the 
>>attack which caused extensive damage to Zundel's fortified Carlton St. home 
>>and left three tenants from the Adjoining building homeless."
>
>>I was right in what I said.  The fire was claimed in the Toronto Sun.
>
>Wrong. You don't even seem to understand what you said. 
>
>You said, in your BBS ads:
>
>> "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*"
>>"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)"
>
>In other words, you have said that the Toronto Sun claimed that the
>Zundel house was lit on fire by the JAR.

play on words.  give it up, i'm getting quite sick of it.


>The article does not say that. It merely relates the content of a
>phone call placed by an unknown party.
>
>You have yet to demonstrate how this equates to absolute proof that
>any particular person or persons were responsible for the arson.


Again play on words.  I never said it was absolute proof that they did it. But 
it is evidence.  Now we will leave it up to the police and the FBI to figure 
out who did it and charge the individual(s) who did it.


End of story.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>>> [... I wrote:]
>>>>>Mr. McVay's posts are not advertisements. Yours are. Do you understand
>>>>>the difference? (A silly question, I know...)
>>>
>>>
>>>>HAHAHHA.  They are advertisements for his FTP site and his document by 
>>e-mail 
>>>>thingy.
>>>
>>>Incorrect -- in fact, another lie. Your ads contain no information
>>>about anything other than your BBS (not counting, of course, your lie
>>>that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed
>>>Resistance". Ken's files are information concerning the Holocaust and
>>>Holocaust revisionism, with information at the bottom on how to
>>>retrieve copies of those files and others.
>
>>My BBS is also a large database of files, like Mr. McVays FTP site.  There 
is 
>>very little difference execpt for his is accesable through the Internet and 
>>mine is accessible only via phone lines.
>
>Irrelevant. We were discussing the nature of your ads versus the
>nature of Ken's posts, not the nature of the sites themselves.

Yes and as I have stated, his are also ads.


>Your posts are ads; Ken's are not. Do you intend to deal with this
>point, ignore it, or just try to change the subject again?

I have dealt with it.  You even quote me dealing with it.  They are ads just 
like mine are ads.


>>>Your BBS is a commercial enterprise. Ken's FTP site is not.
>
>>Now that is a Lie.  My BBS is free, so how could it be a commercial 
>>Enterprise.  It is the same as McVays FTP site.  He accepts donations to 
help 
>>keep it going, I accept donations to help keep my BBS running.
>
>From your ad:
>
>>          SOON TO HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!!! SIGN UP NOW
>>       DON'T BE CENSORED BY POLITICALLY CORRECT FOOLS LIKE PRODIGY
>>                           ONLY $15/YEAR
>
>The word "donation" appears where, exactly? Looks like a subscription
>BBS to me.

If you want Internet access you have to give a donation.  Once on my BBS you 
will see quite clearly where I state DONATION.  There is NO CHARGE to logon 
the bbs and access our 1.2 gig Harddrive.  It is also FREE to read messages 
and do anything else on the bbs.  Also you might NOTICE THE WORD "SOON"  So as 
you can tell it is not set up yet.

Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST CONTROVERSIAL BBS
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>>>In article <40mt2e$5lb@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org wrote:
>>>No no... Ken posts CONTENT, you SPAM.  Ken's posts are different every 
>>All it is, is a listing of the files availible via E-mail.  So I posted my 
>>Allfiles list for all to see.
>
>Huh?  Ken posts different things every time...what the fuck are you 
>talking about, "all it is"?  What you're doing is advertising your BBS, 

I advertise my BBS quite openly.  I am not ashamed of that.  I get quite alot 
if users from the Internet.  So why wouldn't I?


>and you accept "donations", but with that you probably get more online 
>time or whatever... I know how the BBS game works.  But this isn't your 

Yes OFCOURSE!  If a user would like to donate money, I do give him more online 
time.  So what.


>BBS, you aren't the "all powerful" SysOp.  You're spamming.  Others may 
>not appretiate it, INCLUDING WP types who don't have access to, or don't 
>give a shit about the 416 area code.  Marc, on Usenet, you're just 
>another asshole.  Now, if you posted an entire FILE from your BBS, and 
>then left your .sig at the bottom of it, then that would be different.  

Well you are also the same{refering to the asshole remark}

OH by the way, just to make you happy, i'll start posting a huge SIG.  

Hope you like it!



>>>time, mabye they have information on where the files came from, but he 
>>>doesn't just post "GO SEE MY FTP SITE!!!!"  Which is what you are 
>>>doing every time you spame this NG with "CANADA'S LARGEST PRO-WHITE BBS!!!"
>>So what I try to attract people to my bbs.   Big deal.
>
>So you can play god and get $$$ donations.. yeah.  But Usenet isn't your 
>personal billboard.  

I do not play god.  Every user on my BBS is open to say WHATEVER HE FEEL LIKE. 
In the spirit of free speech I even have a file base for Mr McVay on my BBS.  
Something which he will not do for me in return.


>>>I don't read your BBS ads, but this comes down to simple rules of 
>>>netiquette, this ain't your BBS pinhead, other people own this network, 
>>>and you aren't god here.
>>Actually NO ONE OWNS THE INTERNET, PINHEAD!
>
>That's right, but there are agreed upon rules, netiquette.  

But you just stated in your previous message that, and let me QUOTE "other 
people own this network"  So make up your mind.  Which is it?  Does someone 
own the Internet or not???


>>>Sorry, wrong book... the ad YOU posted was for a book about Zundel.  And 
>>>I remember getting E-Mail from you whining about wanting to be left 
>>>alone then too.  (I still have it if you'd like to see it.)
>>BULL SHIT.  You lying idiot.  I have never done such anything like that.  
>>Sorry, you must be thinking about every girl in the world.
>
>Every girl in the world?  You're starting to get really incoherent... I 
>will now post the E-Mail message where you wine about me ripping you a 
>new asshole in public...

Incoherent?  You said that and let me QUOTE" i remember getting an E-Mail from 
you whining about wanting to be left alone"  so I remarked that the message 
must of been from every girl in the world.  Get it now


>-- BEGIN EMAIL MESSAGE --
>
>From cpn@inforamp.net Thu Jun 22 03:18:38 1995
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>To: lzaird@io.org
>From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
>Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel
>Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 03:07:25
>Cc: cpn@inforamp.net
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>
>In article <3s1s1b$6a7@ionews.io.org> lzaird@io.org writes:
>>From: lzaird@io.org
>>Subject: Re: New Book on Zundel
>>Date: 18 Jun 1995 14:41:47 -0400
>
>>In article ,
>>Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>> 
>>>Here it is, the book you've been waiting for that summarizes the entire
>>>career of the most persecuted book publisher in the world, from his
>>>childhood to his latest activism, German-Canadian revisionist Ernst Zundel.
>
>>Oh plueeeze!  Cry me a river.  
>>I've heard of more persecuted book publishers...sure..during the 40's, 
>>in a little place I like to call GERMANY!
>
>Well it is 1995 and Zundel is the most prosecuted publisher in Canada.
>
>>Ahahahahahah!  The RACKET continues...Ernest sucks the WP community 
>>dry...in more ways than one...
>
>You wrong.  Zundel does not 'suck the wp community dry' 
>
>Zundel right now needs money to help rebuild his house after a Jewish 
>terrorist attack.  What is wrong if I try to help him sell a few books?
>
>He is putting his life on the line for us.. The least we can do is help him 
>out in his time of need!
>
>
>-- END MESSAGE --
>
>All comming back now?  From the torfree.net days?

WHERE IS THE PART WHERE I ASK YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE?    hahahahahah More 
bullshit from you!


>Bull shit... I think not.  Diddn't think I really saved it did ya?
>
>>>Ahahahahahahha!!!   Bull-shit, through and through.  My opinion matters, 
>>>because if it diddn't, and you diddn't think it did, you'd probablyjust 
>>>ignore me...but you KNOW I and others are scaring of potential fodder 
>>>for your little game of Nazi chess.
>>YES thats it.  NAZI chess.  Fuck your awsome!
>
>Aren't I though...
>
>>>You don't care?  Don't respond, let us cut you to little bits in front 
>>>of your Furher freinds.  But as I have said time and again, you WON'T, 
>>>because you know we're right, and you know we won't stop.
>>Nope I just like reading your stupid messages... So keep em coming!
>
>You're Colin, 'cept he's interesting.  
>
>>>Look up a fiew lines.
>>>>You have just as much right to say what you want as I do.  
>>>Yep... So I guess you don't agree with National Socialism.
>>Nope.  I don't.  I believe in Direct Democracy.
>
>Oh, please, let me be the one to ask THIS question!!!
>
>What (get ready folks), prey-tell, is 'Direct Democracy'...(snicker!)
>

It is a democracy for the people.  Where the people get to vote on all major 
issues.  It where the people govern themselves.

It is the most true and free domocracy there is.


Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,can.general,alt.skinheads,can.politics,can.legal
Subject: Re: CANADA'S MOST TALKED ABOUT BBS advertisement
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>> I am pointing out the the Jewish Defence League is a terrorist group and is 
>> also very violent.  I have never accused the Jewish Defence League of
>lighting 
>> the fire at Zundel's house.  But both the leaders of the Canadian and
>American 
>> Jewish Defence Leagues tried to hop over the wooden baracade at Mr. 
Zundel's 
>> house. Which I think may tie in with the original firebombing.
>> 
>
>Please explain how you have come to this conclusion, with verifiable 
evidence.

Read NOW Magazine Page 13. The May 18-24, 1995 edition.   In there is the 
story about the JDL going to Zundels house.

The JDL has for a long time been considered a Terrorist group by the FBI.  The 
JDl has in the past committed quite alot of Arsons.



>> 
>> Well not too long ago during the Zundel trial's they would spit, physically 
>> attack, threaten, throw eggs with paint in them, and throw batteries at 
>> people.  So they are quite violent.  In the states they have thrown acid in 
>> peoples faces. (During Klan and White power protests)
>> 
>> 
>And this pertains to torching Zundel's home how?


Because the heads of the Jewish Defence League tried to hop over his wooden 
baracade 3-4 nights later.   They were there for a reason.  Was it to see how 
good  their men did?  or was it just to take pictures?  


Marc


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Subject: Re: Can we put this one to bed, please? (Was:Toronto Sun Confirmation:Lemire is telling the truth
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>> Holy Shit.  I am NOT going over it again and again for you.   Just look 
back 
>> at my old messages and you can read about it there.
>
>
>I have read your previous postings. Please provide EVIDENCE for your
>claims. You have made the claim that Zundel's home was 'lit on fore by the
>JAR' - please provide EVIDENCE - I have yet to see anything in your posts
>resembling EVIDENCE.


Look Mr. Ghandi.  I am not going over it again and again for you people.

I have and many others have wanted to put this to rest.  We are getting no 
where.   I believe one thing, you may believe another thing.

We will probibly never come to a conclusion.  So lets let the cops do their 
work and we'll fire up this debate again when they catch the criminals 
responsible.

Then we will know who was right.


Marc


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>> >> Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  Don't quite your day job.  (I hope 
it's 
>> >> not like McVay in a gas station)
>> >> 
>> >
>> >What difference does it make that Mr. McVay works in a gas station ?
>> 
>> 
>> Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas 
station.
>> But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>> 
>
>If it was not a feeble attempt at character assasination then why did you
>even bother to mention it? It is not relevant to ANY discussions that have
>taken place thus far.


It seem you came a bit late.  I wrote the original part about McVay because he 
was remarking on my age and saying I wear Diapers.  

PLease go back and read this message.  THEN POST PUBLICALLY THAT IT IS WRONG 
FOR MCVAY TO ASK ASSASINATE MY CHARACTER.


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: McVays bum job
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>In article <40v6ku$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>>Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas 
station.
>>But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>
>I hope you don't, too, Mr. Lemire. Frankly, I doubt you have
>the ability to supervise ten employees and a 4.5 million
>dollar annual budget.


You may think whatever you want.  Put I think from now on we should stop 
writing this type of stuff.  We do not need to insult each other.  It will get 
us not where.  

I say and I hope you will agree that we should from now on leave our personal 
lives out of these debates.


Marc


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>In article <40vcku$mkv@ionews.io.org>, kamamer@io.org (karl mamer) wrote:
>
>> cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>> > 
>> > Why on earth would Zundel burn his own house?  Why would zundel burn his 
>> > pricless books? and almost kill the person who was watching his house?
>> > 
>> > Nazi under every rock 'eh?
>> 
>> Why would jews lie about the death of 6 million people?
>> 
>> You've got your conspiracy theories, we've got ours. Right?

I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT?  What the hell are you talking about.

Making up some of those "mcvay style" facts...

Try to get your story at least partially right!



>Look, why does this allegation keep on resurfacing? ZUNDEL'S HOUSE DID NOT
>BURN! IT DID NOT HAPPEN! I was downtown a few weeks ago, and I saw the
>place. Admittedly, it was a charred ruin, but THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT
>BURNED!!!


What non-sence!



Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>You are the one who made the statement that I am a nazi.  So YOU are the one 
>>who knows about Ignorant statements.
>
>Well, what's your opinion of Nazis and neo-Nazis? You don't have to
>be a card carrying member of the party to be one. I'm a "liberal"
>but I'm not a member of any liberal party.


Well a Nazi is a member of the NSDAP.  Or in english the Nazi party which fell 
apart in 1945.  A Neo-Nazi is a buzzword of the 1990's.  There is not really 1 
definition of it. Nowadays Neo-Nazi means racist, hatemonger, anti-semite, 
white supremisist all wraped up into one.

Since I an none of the above I therefore cannot be a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi.



Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>> 
>> Yes it's called a Reverse onest (sp?) situation.
>> 
>> If you are charged with something like child molesting, you have to prove 
you 
>> didn't do it.
>> 
>> Check out the Canadian Law books.  It's in there.
>> 
>Apparently you are completely unfamiliar with the law. The Reverse ONUS
>'situation' does not apply to something like child molesting, nor does it
>apply to acts of terrorism. Check the Canadian Law books. If you like, I
>will provide references, by Case.

I believe you are wrong, but since I am not a criminal Lawyer I cannot argue 
with you on it.  You are correct I do not know very much about the law, since 
I have never commited a crime I also do not have first hand information on 
it.


Could you please cite some reverse onus situations so I will know in the 
future?



Marc


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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: In article ,
>:  
>: Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  
>: Don't quite your day job.  (I hope it's not 
>: like McVay in a gas station)
>
>
>What's the matter, Marc? You hvae a problem with people who do an honest 
>day's work? You have a problem with people who work with their hands and 
>their brains?
> 
>By the way, Marc. where do YOU work?


OH yes I hate people who do an honest days work.

That is why I chose one of the hardest careers in the world.  Just because I 
hate hard workers.


Get real please



Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, Marc Lemire wrote:
>
>> 
>> I have already posted here that I am NOT a Revisionist.  So get it right.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I deleted the rest, since it's so stupid, I am not going to waste any more 
of 
>> my time with you.
>
>Thank heavens!  Please, Mr. Lemire, could you do us all the 
>considerable courtesy of similarly editing the messages you reply to, so 
>that you quote only the relevant parts of those messages?  
>
>It wouldn't necessarily gain any more respect for your ideas (and I use 
>the term loosely), but it would at least make your posts slightly less 
>irritating.

If my posts are so "irritating"  why do you read them.  You see my name 
attached to the message, maybe you should just skip by it and go onto 
someone else whose post you find more attractive.


>And then you could work on trivial little matters like checking your 
>spelling, reducing the size of your prolix .sig, and not feeling 

Just to make you happy, I have triples the size of my SIG file.  Hope you like 
it!


>compelled to reply to every single message in a topic thread.  (That last 
>suggestion could really reduce the amount of time we're ALL wasting with 
>your posts...)

If people are going to attach me. well i'm most certainly going to attack 
back.


Marc


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>: >The JAR? There is no such thing. Any idiot can make up a piece of paper 
>: >claiming responsibility on behalf of a fictional organisation. I think 
>: >it's quite likely that given the similarity of names between the JAR and 
>: >the WAR (White Aryan Resistance) it's MORE likely that the Jewish Armed 
>: >Resistance is simply a white racists idea of what a Jewish group might 
>: >call itself. Jews have always been used by Nazis as scapegoats and it 
>: >wouldn't surprise me if Zundel and company forged a claim of 
>: >responsibility in order to blame it on the Jews. 
>
>: Boy thats a good one.  The Jewish Armed Resistance is really the White 
Aryan 
>: Resistance!  How did you ever figure it out.  Fuck, your intelligence is 
quite 
>: superior!
>
>
>So if you were a white supremacist trying to make up a name for a Jewish 
>group so you could pin something on Jews, what name would you come up with?
>
>BTW, how much insurance money did Ernst collect for the fire?
>
>Just asking.


Well call Mr. Zundel and ask him yourself.  His phone number is (416) 
922-9850.



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>In article <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>>
>>>[mcvay]
>>>
>>>>>Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun
>>>>>accused the JAR of arson....
>>>
>>>>I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson. 
 
>>>>What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story 
>>>>where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson.  You are taking my 
words 
>>>>out of context.
>>>
>>>Out of context, Mr. Lemire? Let's see:
>>>
>>>Your ad stated "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*"
>>>
>>>....and...
>>>
>>>"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)"
>>>
>>>That's the full context, Mr. Lemire. A clear, concise statement that
>>>the Toronto Sun said the fire was "lit" by the JAR.
>>>
>>>A lie, Mr. Lemire.
>
>
>>It was claimed in the Toronto Sun.
>
>>Here is exactly what the opening article said.
>
>>QUOTE"[Headline] Zionist group claims arson"
>
>>QUOTE " A shawdowy offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed 
>>responsibility for Sundays arson attack on the home of neo-Nazi publisher 
>>Ernst Zundel.  A man claiming to be with the "Jewish Armed Resistance 
>>movement" contacted the Sun yesterday to say his group was responsible for 
the 
>>attack which caused extensive damage to Zundel's fortified Carlton St. home 
>>and left three tenants from the Adjoining building homeless."
>
>>I was right in what I said.  The fire was claimed in the Toronto Sun.
>
>Wrong. You don't even seem to understand what you said. 
>
>You said, in your BBS ads:
>
>> "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*"
>>"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)"
>
>In other words, you have said that the Toronto Sun claimed that the
>Zundel house was lit on fire by the JAR.

play on words.  give it up, i'm getting quite sick of it.


>The article does not say that. It merely relates the content of a
>phone call placed by an unknown party.
>
>You have yet to demonstrate how this equates to absolute proof that
>any particular person or persons were responsible for the arson.


Again play on words.  I never said it was absolute proof that they did it. But 
it is evidence.  Now we will leave it up to the police and the FBI to figure 
out who did it and charge the individual(s) who did it.


End of story.


Marc


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>> Holy Shit.  I am NOT going over it again and again for you.   Just look 
back 
>> at my old messages and you can read about it there.
>
>
>I have read your previous postings. Please provide EVIDENCE for your
>claims. You have made the claim that Zundel's home was 'lit on fore by the
>JAR' - please provide EVIDENCE - I have yet to see anything in your posts
>resembling EVIDENCE.


Look Mr. Ghandi.  I am not going over it again and again for you people.

I have and many others have wanted to put this to rest.  We are getting no 
where.   I believe one thing, you may believe another thing.

We will probibly never come to a conclusion.  So lets let the cops do their 
work and we'll fire up this debate again when they catch the criminals 
responsible.

Then we will know who was right.


Marc


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>> >> Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  Don't quite your day job.  (I hope 
it's 
>> >> not like McVay in a gas station)
>> >> 
>> >
>> >What difference does it make that Mr. McVay works in a gas station ?
>> 
>> 
>> Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas 
station.
>> But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>> 
>
>If it was not a feeble attempt at character assasination then why did you
>even bother to mention it? It is not relevant to ANY discussions that have
>taken place thus far.


It seem you came a bit late.  I wrote the original part about McVay because he 
was remarking on my age and saying I wear Diapers.  

PLease go back and read this message.  THEN POST PUBLICALLY THAT IT IS WRONG 
FOR MCVAY TO ASK ASSASINATE MY CHARACTER.


Marc



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>In article <40v6ku$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>>Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas 
station.
>>But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>
>I hope you don't, too, Mr. Lemire. Frankly, I doubt you have
>the ability to supervise ten employees and a 4.5 million
>dollar annual budget.


You may think whatever you want.  Put I think from now on we should stop 
writing this type of stuff.  We do not need to insult each other.  It will get 
us not where.  

I say and I hope you will agree that we should from now on leave our personal 
lives out of these debates.


Marc


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>anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>
>> > everyday they turn on the TV and the government is fucking them.  
Shutting 
>> > down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit.
>> 
>> "Fucking them" as you so eloquently put it, because as peacekeepers who
>> are supposed to exemplify what is good and right about Canada they
>> SAVAGELY BEAT AN INNOCENT TO DEATH.
>
>Amen. I don't pay taxes to be "protected" by elites that beat the crap
>out of a boy and pump themselves up by draping themselves in
>confederate flags (what happened to the flag they were supposed to
>be defending?) and shouting "snatch nignog".


You are trying to paint the WHOLE Airborne with the same brush, when in fact 
only a few of them practiced that.  

besides they are the ones who are putting their lives on the line for Canada. 
unless you are don't knock them.


Marc


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Subject: Re: Holocaust Denial (Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!)
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>dbennett@crl.com (Andrea Chen) writes:
>
># The thing I love about neo Nazis is that they declare:
>#
># HITLER NEVER KILLED ANY JEWS but (in a whispered voice),
># he should have.
>
>Yes, indeed. Look at the following, which was posted by a
>young Holocaust-denier to the Internet a few months ago. It
>best captures the "spirit" of Holocaust denial:
>
>
>
>Message-ID: <1993Dec16.083247.7321@msus1.msus.edu>
>From: hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>
># I am an admirer of Adolf Hitler.  I embrace National Socialism.
># I would do so even if the Holocaust *were* fact, which I honestly
># believe it is not.  I would do so even if Hitler and his system
># had killed *60* million Jews.
>
>
>
>A true classic of "Holocaust revisionism", isn't it?


If it was such a common thing..... could you please post me one more time such 
a thing was said, (If this quote is even real)


Marc


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>In article <40vcku$mkv@ionews.io.org>, kamamer@io.org (karl mamer) wrote:
>
>> cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>> > 
>> > Why on earth would Zundel burn his own house?  Why would zundel burn his 
>> > pricless books? and almost kill the person who was watching his house?
>> > 
>> > Nazi under every rock 'eh?
>> 
>> Why would jews lie about the death of 6 million people?
>> 
>> You've got your conspiracy theories, we've got ours. Right?

I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT?  What the hell are you talking about.

Making up some of those "mcvay style" facts...

Try to get your story at least partially right!



>Look, why does this allegation keep on resurfacing? ZUNDEL'S HOUSE DID NOT
>BURN! IT DID NOT HAPPEN! I was downtown a few weeks ago, and I saw the
>place. Admittedly, it was a charred ruin, but THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT
>BURNED!!!


What non-sence!



Marc

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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>You are the one who made the statement that I am a nazi.  So YOU are the one 
>>who knows about Ignorant statements.
>
>Well, what's your opinion of Nazis and neo-Nazis? You don't have to
>be a card carrying member of the party to be one. I'm a "liberal"
>but I'm not a member of any liberal party.


Well a Nazi is a member of the NSDAP.  Or in english the Nazi party which fell 
apart in 1945.  A Neo-Nazi is a buzzword of the 1990's.  There is not really 1 
definition of it. Nowadays Neo-Nazi means racist, hatemonger, anti-semite, 
white supremisist all wraped up into one.

Since I an none of the above I therefore cannot be a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi.



Marc

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>> 
>> Yes it's called a Reverse onest (sp?) situation.
>> 
>> If you are charged with something like child molesting, you have to prove 
you 
>> didn't do it.
>> 
>> Check out the Canadian Law books.  It's in there.
>> 
>Apparently you are completely unfamiliar with the law. The Reverse ONUS
>'situation' does not apply to something like child molesting, nor does it
>apply to acts of terrorism. Check the Canadian Law books. If you like, I
>will provide references, by Case.

I believe you are wrong, but since I am not a criminal Lawyer I cannot argue 
with you on it.  You are correct I do not know very much about the law, since 
I have never commited a crime I also do not have first hand information on 
it.


Could you please cite some reverse onus situations so I will know in the 
future?



Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>> Even in Somalia, Canadian Peacekeepers were reguarded as the best trained 
and 
>> most reliable.  Untill the poor peacekeepers came home to a firestorm of 
>> critisism, they had high moral.   
>
>Lets see. The criticism dealt with the fact that they SAVAGELY BEAT AN
>INNOCENT TO DEATH. I don't know what you conception of  the Canadian
>PEACEkeeper is, or of the Canadian mindset, but this certainly, is not it.
>

That is not exactly what I was talking about.  I am refering to the way the 
Peacekeepers were treated by the press and the government.  Beating of 
innocent people happened quite frequently in Somolia.  But the Canadians are 
the only ones who blew it way out of porportion.



>> But it is typical to the Canadian attitude.   When the Americans have a 
Hero 
>> they flaunt him all over television and give him medals galore.  If they 
are 
>> lucky they will even meet the President.  But in Canada, a Hero is treated 
>> nice for a day, then thats it.  No meeting with the Prime Minister, no big 
>> medal ceromonies, no big hoopla.
>>
>
>If you think the Americans glorify their heros because of their actions,
>you must not have heard about Vietnam. In Canada a hero is distinguished
>but in Canada a hero is not exploited for media value or marketability.

Media value and marketability?  What a stupid thing to say.

How would you feel if you risked your life for your country.  And when you got 
back from overseas all you got was a shitty medal and a little party.  but 
your friend in the American army who did just as a heroric thing got treated 
like a king and got to meet the President.

They DO NOT DO IT FOR MEDIA VALUE OR MARKETABILITY, they do it to raise moral 
of the army and make the public feel like their tax dollars are not being 
wasted.



>> everyday they turn on the TV and the government is fucking them.  Shutting 
>> down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit.
>
>"Fucking them" as you so eloquently put it, because as peacekeepers who
>are supposed to exemplify what is good and right about Canada they
>SAVAGELY BEAT AN INNOCENT TO DEATH.

How many people did that.  NOT THE WHOLE AIRBORNE.  They shut the WHOLE 
AIRBORNE down.  That was quite a blow to the military and one that was NOT 
NEEDED.  



>> There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will in 
the 
>> end only create more.  You have to remember that most CF soldiers are White 
>> and are males.  And in situations like they are put in everyday, Race is
>NOT a 
>> factor.
>
>Wonderful reasoning, that. According to you, we should just let racist
>attitude flourish so everybody ends up hating each other because of the
>colour of their skin, or some other superfluous feature because it is the
>easiest thing to do ?

I assume you have never been in the Military and do not know first hand how we 
treat our fellow army men.    AND IN CASE YOU CAN'T READ I SAID THAT RACE IS 
NOT A FACTOR.  



>> Even if they are racist inside, it does not 
>> get in the way of teh duty and job they have.
>
>They SAVAGELY BEAT AN INNOCENT TO DEATH. They are peacekeepers. See the
>conflict?

3 peacekeepers did that.  But you are painting all the peacekeepers.  Boy your 
are quite prejudice and ignorant 'eh?


Marc



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Subject: Re: The Truth About ZUNDEL AND THE JDL - hey.txt [1/1]
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>In article ,
>HAPLO  wrote:
>
>>  On may 7th 1995 Mr. Zundels house was fire bombed causing
>>substantial damage to the house and contents.
>
>>     An organization calling itself The Jewish Armed Resistance claims
>>responsibility: The JAR is linked to the Jewish Defense league. The
>>JDl is considered by the FBI to be a terrorist organization.
>
>A correction is in order with regard to the above. An anonymous caller,
>who may or may _not_ belong to any such "JAR" claimed responsibility
>on behalf of this group. Until such time as this yet-unidentified
>caller is identified, no real evidence exists as to his affiliations,
>if any.
>
>It is, of course, entirely possible that this unknown person was exactly
>what he claimed to be - no-one would deny that - but it has not
>been established.
>
>I believe it is therefore irresponsible to assert that the caller's
>claims are correct, because, in doing so, an entire group of people,
>Jews, may be treated unfairly.

What the hell are you talking about Ken?  Are you going to also now say that 
everytime the Jewish Defence League commits an act of violence and you mention 
it, that you are all of a sudden you are refering to the whole Jewish 
community?  What an ignorant thing to say.  



>An example of this is the OKC bombing, where, for a day or two following
>the explosion, it was widely believed, and reported, that "Arab terrorists"
>were most likely responsible. This led to racist incidents against
>Arab citizens, who, as it turned out, had been unfairly libeled by
>irresponsible people who believed in the "Arab terrorist" theory.

Really?  What incidents are you refering to?

Oh yes and (according to your logic) any statement about the accused in the 
OKC bombing (McVay) is an attack on the White community as a whole!

What total non-sence!


Marc


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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: In article ,
>:  
>: Sarcasm is not your strong suit.  
>: Don't quite your day job.  (I hope it's not 
>: like McVay in a gas station)
>
>
>What's the matter, Marc? You hvae a problem with people who do an honest 
>day's work? You have a problem with people who work with their hands and 
>their brains?
> 
>By the way, Marc. where do YOU work?


OH yes I hate people who do an honest days work.

That is why I chose one of the hardest careers in the world.  Just because I 
hate hard workers.


Get real please



Marc



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>On Wed, 16 Aug 1995, Marc Lemire wrote:
>
>> 
>> I have already posted here that I am NOT a Revisionist.  So get it right.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I deleted the rest, since it's so stupid, I am not going to waste any more 
of 
>> my time with you.
>
>Thank heavens!  Please, Mr. Lemire, could you do us all the 
>considerable courtesy of similarly editing the messages you reply to, so 
>that you quote only the relevant parts of those messages?  
>
>It wouldn't necessarily gain any more respect for your ideas (and I use 
>the term loosely), but it would at least make your posts slightly less 
>irritating.

If my posts are so "irritating"  why do you read them.  You see my name 
attached to the message, maybe you should just skip by it and go onto 
someone else whose post you find more attractive.


>And then you could work on trivial little matters like checking your 
>spelling, reducing the size of your prolix .sig, and not feeling 

Just to make you happy, I have triples the size of my SIG file.  Hope you like 
it!


>compelled to reply to every single message in a topic thread.  (That last 
>suggestion could really reduce the amount of time we're ALL wasting with 
>your posts...)

If people are going to attach me. well i'm most certainly going to attack 
back.


Marc


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>: >The JAR? There is no such thing. Any idiot can make up a piece of paper 
>: >claiming responsibility on behalf of a fictional organisation. I think 
>: >it's quite likely that given the similarity of names between the JAR and 
>: >the WAR (White Aryan Resistance) it's MORE likely that the Jewish Armed 
>: >Resistance is simply a white racists idea of what a Jewish group might 
>: >call itself. Jews have always been used by Nazis as scapegoats and it 
>: >wouldn't surprise me if Zundel and company forged a claim of 
>: >responsibility in order to blame it on the Jews. 
>
>: Boy thats a good one.  The Jewish Armed Resistance is really the White 
Aryan 
>: Resistance!  How did you ever figure it out.  Fuck, your intelligence is 
quite 
>: superior!
>
>
>So if you were a white supremacist trying to make up a name for a Jewish 
>group so you could pin something on Jews, what name would you come up with?
>
>BTW, how much insurance money did Ernst collect for the fire?
>
>Just asking.


Well call Mr. Zundel and ask him yourself.  His phone number is (416) 
922-9850.


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>From: Henry Ayre 
>>Frankly I feel more certain of a person's honesty if he/she can make a 
>>little error now and then.
>
>Can we take this to mean that you therefore find the small errors some
>revisionists point to in the Franke-Gricksch report to Himmler
>detailing F-G's inspection of the Auschwitz gassing operations all the
>more believable? I mean things like F-G reports five or six steps when
>perhaps there were only three, that sort of thing?
>
>I suppose that's good news.

IN Mr. Ayre's defence.  He was refering to the spelling mistakes I happen to 
do now and again.  He was in no way refering to the Franke-Gricksch report.

Please don't play these childish word games.


Marc


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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) 
>
>
>
>>>> But it is typical to the Canadian attitude.   When the Americans have a 
>>>> Hero they flaunt him all over television and give him medals
>>>> galore. If they are lucky they will even meet the President. But
>>>> in Canada, a Hero is treated nice for a day, then thats it.
>>>>  No meeting with the Prime Minister, no big medal ceromonies, no
>>>> big hoopla.
>
>> >If you think the Americans glorify their heros because of their actions,
>> >you must not have heard about Vietnam. In Canada a hero is distinguished
>> >but in Canada a hero is not exploited for media value or marketability.
>
>> Media value and marketability?  What a stupid thing to say.
>
>> How would you feel if you risked your life for your country.  And
>> when you got back from overseas all you got was a shitty medal and a
>> little party. But your friend in the American army who did just as a
>> heroric thing got treated like a king and got to meet the President.
>
>> They DO NOT DO IT FOR MEDIA VALUE OR MARKETABILITY, they do it to
>> raise moral of the army and make the public feel like their tax
>> dollars are not being wasted.
>
>Medals aren't morale boosters...they are indications of significant
>achievement or heroism...unlike the Yanks we don't give out "gongs"
>for doing your job. Start giving them out like our cousins to the
>south and you devalue them and the actions they were awarded for.

Of course Medals are morale bosters.  

Are you in the Military?  If you were you would know exactly what I am talking 
about. 



>>>> everyday they turn on the TV and the government is fucking them. Shutting 
>> >> down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit.
>
>Just a small note...they were not the most elite unit. They did
>provide personnel to the most elite unit in the CF though.

Yes they are.  Since the "Special Forces" were disbanded they became the most 
elite unit.


>
>
>> >> There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will 
in 
>>>> the end only create more. You have to remember that most CF
>>>> soldiers are White and are males. And in situations like they are
>>>> put in everyday, Race is NOT a factor.
>
>> >Wonderful reasoning, that. According to you, we should just let racist
>> >attitude flourish so everybody ends up hating each other because of the
>> >colour of their skin, or some other superfluous feature because it is the
>> >easiest thing to do ?
>
>> I assume you have never been in the Military and do not know first
>> hand how we treat our fellow army men. AND IN CASE YOU CAN'T READ I
>> SAID THAT RACE IS NOT A FACTOR.  
>
>But racism is...having an racist in a combat arms team can give rise
>to doubts as to the cohesion of the team. Will the racist go beyond
>his/her personal prejudices and put his or her life on the line for
>that person who is a member the racial group that the individual
>dislikes? You have to be able to trust your colleagues...I would have
>had a hard time trusting someone who I knew disliked me for the colour
>of my skin.


I believe that even if a person is racist, he will go beyond those beliefs and 
do his duty.  In split second desisions, race is not one of the factors that 
are considered.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Response from Lemire
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 09:03:23 GMT
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>Marc Lemire  wrote:

># is not the way it happened.  I believe he also says that 
># NO Jews, or anybody, was killed in Gas Chambers by some sort 
># of a homocidal plan by the Nazi's to systematically kill 
># off Jew's.
>
>Zundel also said that the Nazis built UFO's and flew them
>to the South Pole, when the Reich was collapsing, and that
>some Nazis are still hiding there.
>
>This is just one case in which we can see a very high
>correlation between Holocaust-denial and insanity. One
>of the most active Holocaust-deniers on the net claims that
>the *real Hitler* was tall and blond, and that the guy we see
>in the movies and the photographs is someone else. Other
>Holocaust-deniers claim that locking people in a chamber 
>and pumping the exhaust of a tank's engine into it will
>not do these people any harm. Let's face it, there are 
>strange people in this world.


I thought you were going to give us this startiling evidence that Zundel 
collected money to head an expedition to the south pole.  Are was that 
another of your made up "facts"?


Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 14:43:50 PDT 1995
Article: 32153 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Daniel Keren - a Holocaust Fundamentalist?
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 09:12:04 GMT
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>It does not matter if he has personally burned corpses or not.  there is 
still 
>>published reports on the matter from which this person might be quoting 
from.
>
>Gosh, I wish one of these revisionists would cite
>something--anything--sometime.

You have your header wrong.  I never said this.


>[snip]
>>If the ovens were going non-stop the bricks wuld most likley explode.  And 
if 
>>you put a coprse in an oven that is not at the proper temperature it could 
>>explode.
>
>And what published report are you referring to when you say a corpse
>would explode?

I am refering to the Calgary Crematorium expert that testified at the Zundel 
trial under oath.  I am not sure on the exact spelling of his name.  When I 
get it, i'll pass it on to you.


>By the way, you *are* right about the effects of running the
>crematoria full blast for long periods--some of them did break down
>from heat fractures in the bricks which necessitated the pit burnings
>especially when the Hungarian transports started to arrive. I wonder
>how long they ran the Kremas--which were rated by Jahrling, in a memo
>to Kammler, at being capable of incinerating 4700+ bodies per
>day--before they began to break down. That was 4700+ for all 52
>retorts combined, not each. That was *rated* capacity, not actual. In
>case you are confused on these points.
>
>Do you know how long, Marc?

What camp are you talking about?  And what Crema?


>
>Here's another question you might know the answer to. Why did the SS
>have 52 crematory retorts with a capacity they *believed* was above
>4700+ per day (or 141,000+ per month) for a camp with a population of
>50,000?


1st of all, what camp are you talking about and where are you getting the 
information that the SS believed this?


Marc


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From cpn@euphoria.com Sun Aug 20 14:44:08 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>In article <40sn3q$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>>
>>>[mcvay]
>>>
>>>>>Sheer speculation, of course, like Lemire saying the Toronto Sun
>>>>>accused the JAR of arson....
>>>
>>>>I never meant to imply that the Toronto Sun accused the JAR of teh Arson. 
 
>>>>What I am trying was and am trying to say is that they published the story 
>>>>where the JAR claimed responsibility for the Arson.  You are taking my 
words 
>>>>out of context.
>>>
>>>Out of context, Mr. Lemire? Let's see:
>>>
>>>Your ad stated "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*"
>>>
>>>....and...
>>>
>>>"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)"
>>>
>>>That's the full context, Mr. Lemire. A clear, concise statement that
>>>the Toronto Sun said the fire was "lit" by the JAR.
>>>
>>>A lie, Mr. Lemire.
>
>
>>It was claimed in the Toronto Sun.
>
>>Here is exactly what the opening article said.
>
>>QUOTE"[Headline] Zionist group claims arson"
>
>>QUOTE " A shawdowy offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed 
>>responsibility for Sundays arson attack on the home of neo-Nazi publisher 
>>Ernst Zundel.  A man claiming to be with the "Jewish Armed Resistance 
>>movement" contacted the Sun yesterday to say his group was responsible for 
the 
>>attack which caused extensive damage to Zundel's fortified Carlton St. home 
>>and left three tenants from the Adjoining building homeless."
>
>>I was right in what I said.  The fire was claimed in the Toronto Sun.
>
>Wrong. You don't even seem to understand what you said. 
>
>You said, in your BBS ads:
>
>> "...which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance*"
>>"*Claimed in the Toronto Sun. (This is to to shut up Ken McVay)"
>
>In other words, you have said that the Toronto Sun claimed that the
>Zundel house was lit on fire by the JAR.

play on words.  give it up, i'm getting quite sick of it.


>The article does not say that. It merely relates the content of a
>phone call placed by an unknown party.
>
>You have yet to demonstrate how this equates to absolute proof that
>any particular person or persons were responsible for the arson.


Again play on words.  I never said it was absolute proof that they did it. But 
it is evidence.  Now we will leave it up to the police and the FBI to figure 
out who did it and charge the individual(s) who did it.


End of story.


Marc


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From bzs@world.std.com Sun Aug 20 23:59:29 PDT 1995
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>
>>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
>there 
>>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>>
>>You accuse American troops of KILLING DOGS?! Oh my god, how low did we 
>>sink? Gee, I hope all the soldiers involved in this atrocious crime 
>>against caninity were caught and punished! 
>>
>>The horror! The horror!
>
>
>It was not right.  It was very brutal and sickning.


Mr Lemire seems to have emotional energy for a few guard dogs being
killed at the liberation of a Nazi concentration camp (Dachau.)

But what of eleven million innocent civilians tortured and killed at
those same camps by the Nazis?

What about the *thousands* of Dachau inmates who died within a few
weeks after its liberation because they had been reduced by the Nazis
to such a wretched physical state that efforts by the allies to save
their lives was for naught?

Nothing.

Have you ever seen that film from the liberation of the camps where a
perhaps three year old girl with a cute smile pulls back her coat
sleeve to show the camera the tatoo on her arm?

Think about those tough Nazi SS soldiers tatooing toddlers.

Conjure up the process, what it must have been like, how many of these
tough soldiers do you think it took to hold that little girl down?
What do you suppose her reaction was like?

Then come speak to us about dogs.

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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 06:46:09 PDT 1995
Article: 97589 of alt.conspiracy
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,can.politics
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 06:01:48 GMT
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>On 18 Aug 1995, Andrea Chen wrote:
>
>> The thing I love about neo Nazis is that they declare:
>> HITLER NEVER KILLED ANY JEWS but (in a whispered voice), he should
>> have.
>> Hitler as a moderate.  Some people have an odd notion of history.
>	
>	No what is more weird is that during face-to-face confrontations
>
>
>many of these revisionists "we killed 6/12 million last time, we will 
>kill 12/24 next time."
>
>
>Or that they claim that the power structure is run by ZOG but never
>
Typical....

You claim that Revisionists say one thing then another quote about "ZOG".  


Please TELL ME WHICH REVISIONIST SAID THIS?


I would love to know



Marc



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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 06:46:13 PDT 1995
Article: 97590 of alt.conspiracy
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>>
>>>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>>>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>>>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
>>there 
>>>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>>>
>>>You accuse American troops of KILLING DOGS?! Oh my god, how low did we 
>>>sink? Gee, I hope all the soldiers involved in this atrocious crime 
>>>against caninity were caught and punished! 
>>>
>>>The horror! The horror!
>>
>>
>>It was not right.  It was very brutal and sickning.
>
>
>Mr Lemire seems to have emotional energy for a few guard dogs being
>killed at the liberation of a Nazi concentration camp (Dachau.)
>
>But what of eleven million innocent civilians tortured and killed at
>those same camps by the Nazis?
>
>What about the *thousands* of Dachau inmates who died within a few
>weeks after its liberation because they had been reduced by the Nazis
>to such a wretched physical state that efforts by the allies to save
>their lives was for naught?
>
>Nothing.
>
>Have you ever seen that film from the liberation of the camps where a
>perhaps three year old girl with a cute smile pulls back her coat
>sleeve to show the camera the tatoo on her arm?
>
>Think about those tough Nazi SS soldiers tatooing toddlers.
>
>Conjure up the process, what it must have been like, how many of these
>tough soldiers do you think it took to hold that little girl down?
>What do you suppose her reaction was like?
>
>Then come speak to us about dogs.
>


Nice try but in that quote your taking from me, I was specifically talking 
about the dogs.  not the other few thousand that died in Dachau.(25,613 people 
died in Dachau from Feb, 1940 to APR, 1945)

Don't play word games like this.  



Marc


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>On 18 Aug 1995, Andrea Chen wrote:
>
>> The thing I love about neo Nazis is that they declare:
>> HITLER NEVER KILLED ANY JEWS but (in a whispered voice), he should
>> have.
>> Hitler as a moderate.  Some people have an odd notion of history.
>	
>	No what is more weird is that during face-to-face confrontations
>
>
>many of these revisionists "we killed 6/12 million last time, we will 
>kill 12/24 next time."
>
>
>Or that they claim that the power structure is run by ZOG but never
>
Typical....

You claim that Revisionists say one thing then another quote about "ZOG".  


Please TELL ME WHICH REVISIONIST SAID THIS?


I would love to know



Marc


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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>>
>>>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>>>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>>>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
>>there 
>>>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>>>
>>>You accuse American troops of KILLING DOGS?! Oh my god, how low did we 
>>>sink? Gee, I hope all the soldiers involved in this atrocious crime 
>>>against caninity were caught and punished! 
>>>
>>>The horror! The horror!
>>
>>
>>It was not right.  It was very brutal and sickning.
>
>
>Mr Lemire seems to have emotional energy for a few guard dogs being
>killed at the liberation of a Nazi concentration camp (Dachau.)
>
>But what of eleven million innocent civilians tortured and killed at
>those same camps by the Nazis?
>
>What about the *thousands* of Dachau inmates who died within a few
>weeks after its liberation because they had been reduced by the Nazis
>to such a wretched physical state that efforts by the allies to save
>their lives was for naught?
>
>Nothing.
>
>Have you ever seen that film from the liberation of the camps where a
>perhaps three year old girl with a cute smile pulls back her coat
>sleeve to show the camera the tatoo on her arm?
>
>Think about those tough Nazi SS soldiers tatooing toddlers.
>
>Conjure up the process, what it must have been like, how many of these
>tough soldiers do you think it took to hold that little girl down?
>What do you suppose her reaction was like?
>
>Then come speak to us about dogs.
>


Nice try but in that quote your taking from me, I was specifically talking 
about the dogs.  not the other few thousand that died in Dachau.(25,613 people 
died in Dachau from Feb, 1940 to APR, 1945)

Don't play word games like this.  



Marc


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From bzs@world.std.com Mon Aug 21 08:31:53 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>>
>>You say "German", I say "Nazi", but...
>
>You are a very sick person.  How could you say such a thing.

You misunderstand me. I hold Nazis guilty for most of what happened in
Germany 1933-1945, not Germans in general. So I say "Nazis" and not
the more general term "Germans".


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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 08:32:05 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>
>>>>The caller said he was.  I can't 100% prove who he was, and you cannot 
prove 
>>>>who he isn't.  
>>>
>>>So, you admit that you don't know who the caller was. Therefore, you
>>>cannot know whether the caller was with the JAR or JDL, nor if he
>>>actually was one of those responsible for the arson of Zundel's house.
>
>>Yes but the evidence does lean towards the JAR.  But that does not mean 100% 
>>that the JAR was responsible.  We will have to wait until this case comes to 
>>court and all our questions will be answered.
>
>You didn't seem to, when you posted your ad.

I never posted my ad, which said.  

ZUNDEL'S HOUSE WAS DIFINATLEY BURNED BY THE JEWISH ARMED RESISTANCE.

I may have worded my ad in the wrong way.  That is why I have changed it. 



>>>Yet, your ads continue to claim that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit
>>>on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance". This is a direct assertion,
>>>admitting of no uncertainty. How do you reconcile this claim with your
>>>admission that you _do not know_ the identity of the arsonist?
>
>>You must have missed quite a few of my posts.  I have stated that I was 
going 
>>to change my BBS ad.  
>
>I saw that statement. I have yet to see a change in any advertising.


Well I have not posted it again.  But since you mention it, i'll post it right 
now!


Marc


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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 08:32:13 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 05:50:10 GMT
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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>
>[ Ken McVay wrote:]
>>>>>This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier!
>>>
>>>
>[Lemire:]
>>>>Are you saying that the book is lying?   Are you denying that you are 
>>>>not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network?
>>>
>[Myself:]
>>>What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?
>
>>It does not give the exact amount.
>
>You are evading, Lemire. 
>
>You claim the book says that Ken McVay is financed by Jerusalem One. I
>challenged you to post exactly what the book does say. You evade by
>telling us what the book does not say.
>
>_You_ made the claim. _You_ back it up. 

I did already back it up.  I gave the exact page number, book's name, ISSN 
number, ect.

I am not your personal typist.  Get off your ass and go to the library and get 
the book.



>>>Or is this another example of Lemire/Cloud-Cuckoo-Land Logic (TM)? Do
>
>>What the hell are you talking about sir?  "Lemire/cloud-cuckoo-land logic"?
>
>>Please get real.
>
>Here's real for you: You are incapable of constructing a logical
>argument. Your conclusions are based on insufficient facts. Your logic
>is faulty.
>
>Was that real enough?


You are entitled to your own opinions.  I do not find any fault in my logic, 
but I do find fault in yours.  But that is ofcourse, my opinion.


>>>you assume that, since Zvi Lando and Ken McVay are mentioned in the
>>>same paragraph, that one must be in the pocket of the other? Be real
>>>brave, Lemire -- for once. Tell us exactly what you base you
>>>allegations on.
>
>>CAN'T YOU READ.  I GAVE THE EXACT BOOK, THE EXACT PAGE NUMBER, THE ISSN 
>>NUMBER AND THE AUTHORS NAME.
>
>No, Lemire. It is not my job to prove you wrong. You made an
>assertion. Back it up or back off.

Read above about getting off your ass.


>We've seen cowards of your stripe on Usenet before. You are great at
>making wild accusations. When challenged, you cower behind the
>"You-want-me-to-do-your-homework-for-you/You-go-try-to-prove-me-wrong"
>whine.
>
>_You_ made the claim. _You_ back it up. Frankly, I think you fear
>posting the actual text of the Gale directory entry because you know
>it is insufficient to support your claim.


That is your opinion.  Based on nothing.  Since you have not read the book, 
shut up, get off your ass and get it.


>>>> [...deletia...]
>>>>Wow... You even get to give tax deductions.   Boy you really have set up 
>>quite 
>>>>a nice business.
>>>
>>>Exactly how does one make a profit from giving tax deductions, Lemire?
>
>>Get real buddy!  If you give tax deductions people will give you money just 
to 
>>take it off their taxes.   come on don't play that stupid!
>
>Irrelevant, Lemire. Answer the original question: How does Ken McVay
>make a "profit" from giving out tax deductions? How does a
>"profitable" enterprise (which is what you assert Ken is running with
>the Nizkor project) get the right to give tax deductions?

People will give more money if they know that it will be taken off their 
taxes.  As for him making profit.  I guess only him and his accountant knows. 
But I do know that if I could give tax deductions that I would be ahead.  


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 08:32:17 PDT 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
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>answer a direct question, does the National Alliance Polka:
>
>[The question]
>
>"What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?"
>
>[The Polka]
>
>"It does not give the exact amount."
>
>In fairness to Mr. Lemire, who simply may suffer from poor
>reading comprehension skills, I will re-state the question in
>words he will hopefully understand:
>
>What _exactly_ does the book say?
>Are payments actually mentioned?
>
>[Ahoneatwoathree...turn on the bubble machine...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Are you some kind of child?  I posted you a message asking you to not do such 
stupid things.  I also said I would hold myself back.

BTW Mr. McVay, since you are the one who would know the best....  Do you get 
money from the Jerusalem One Network?   

You avoided directly answering before.   Just answer that question and our 
financing will be solved.  After all the book might be wrong.

once again for you.

DO YOU GET FINANCING FROM THE JERUSALEM ONE NETWORK?


It would solve our problems quite quickly.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>: >: In article ,
>: > 
>: >By the way, Marc. where do YOU work?
>
>
>: OH yes I hate people who do an honest days work.
>
>: That is why I chose one of the hardest careers in the world.  
>: Just because  hate hard workers.
>
>
>: Get real please
>
>
>[a whole lot of advertising deleted]
> 
>NOTE that Marc does NOT say where he works or what he does.


DO YOU NOT READ ANY OF THE OTHER MESSAGES IN THIS CONFERENCE?   

If you would open your eyes you would see the big discussion about my job.

Here i'll make you job a bit easier.


I WORK FOR THE CANADIAN ARMED FORCES AND I AM A MEDIC (QL3) QUALIFIED.
I am also in collage.  And I run one of the fastest not-for-profit BBS in 
Toronto.


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 10:53:23 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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># Really please point out ONE reliable and scholarly source for
># evidence of gassign in Dachau?
>
>The "Institute for Contemporary History" in Munich stated, in a 
>summary published in 1992, that gassing on a relatively small
>scale took place in Dachau. One has to note here that the
>gassings in the camps built in the "Old Reich" (Germany proper
>and Austria) were on a rather smaller scale than in the death
>camps the SS built in Nazi-occupied Poland.

Can you please give me the page number and the name of the publication.  I 
would like to see it for myself.  I would also like to read where they 
suposidly did this gassign in Dachau.


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 10:53:37 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>> >Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) 
>
>
>> >> How would you feel if you risked your life for your country.  And
>> >> when you got back from overseas all you got was a shitty medal and a
>> >> little party. But your friend in the American army who did just as a
>> >> heroric thing got treated like a king and got to meet the President.
>> >
>> >> They DO NOT DO IT FOR MEDIA VALUE OR MARKETABILITY, they do it to
>> >> raise moral of the army and make the public feel like their tax
>> >> dollars are not being wasted.
>> >
>> >Medals aren't morale boosters...they are indications of significant
>> >achievement or heroism...unlike the Yanks we don't give out "gongs"
>> >for doing your job. Start giving them out like our cousins to the
>> >south and you devalue them and the actions they were awarded for.
>
>> Of course Medals are morale bosters.  
>
>> Are you in the Military? 
>
>Ex-military Mr. Lemire, but I still hang out with the officers and men
>of my old regiment and talk about issues such as this.
>
>> If you were you would know exactly what I am talking about. 
>
>I know what you are talking about, and I know it is wrong. My
>colleagues who are still in look at the US approach to medals with
>disdain...getting a piece of ribbon to make you feel good is crap...it
>devalues the soldier. We, like many other Commonwealth countries are
>stingy with the medals. If you are a good little boy or girl while you
>are in the CF, you can expect to see 2 types of medals..the CD for
>doing your time without getting caught, and a UN service medal for
>doing your time without getting killed. Other decorations are for
>either outstanding performance or acts of bravery that are so
>outstanding that your colleagues wonder if you have a death wish. 


I think you are very wrong.  When many of my close personal friends won medals 
>from  saving a Warrants life, our whole medical company took pride.  At that 
time and still to this day, we look upon the accomplishments of our fellow 
soldiers and take pride in it.

But back to the main point.  My opinion is that if we treated our soldiers 
more like the Americans did, we would over all have better morale.  What do 
you think it does for morale when the governmant shuts down our most elite 
fighting units?  What about our hero's who do not even get to visit the 
Prime-minister (Like their American counterparts who get to see the President)


>>>>>>everyday they turn on the TV and the government is fucking them. 
Shutting 
>>>>>> down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit.
>
>> >Just a small note...they were not the most elite unit. They did
>> >provide personnel to the most elite unit in the CF though.
>
>> Yes they are. Since the "Special Forces" were disbanded they became the 
most 
>> elite unit.
>
>Ummm....could you be talking about the Special Service Force (SSF)
>which still exists? (With the RCDs, F bty 2RCHA, the Abn Engineers,
>RCR, 2 MP Platoon, 2 Fd Amb, and the Abn service people). There is a
>more elite unit than that, formed after the disbandment of the RCMP's
>ERTs. 

NO, there was some sort of a special forces.  I am not sure on their exact 
name, but they were disbannded about 5-7 years ago.  And the Airborne took 
over the role as the most elite (Intil recently).  Right now I am not sure who 
would be the most elite.



>
>
>> >> I assume you have never been in the Military and do not know first
>> >> hand how we treat our fellow army men. AND IN CASE YOU CAN'T READ I
>> >> SAID THAT RACE IS NOT A FACTOR.  
>> >
>> >But racism is...having an racist in a combat arms team can give rise
>> >to doubts as to the cohesion of the team. Will the racist go beyond
>> >his/her personal prejudices and put his or her life on the line for
>> >that person who is a member the racial group that the individual
>> >dislikes? You have to be able to trust your colleagues...I would have
>> >had a hard time trusting someone who I knew disliked me for the colour
>> >of my skin.
>
>> I believe that even if a person is racist, he will go beyond those 
>> beliefs and do his duty. In split second desisions, race is not one 
>> of the factors that are considered.
>
>I'm sorry, but if the guy in the the trench with me is a professed
>Aryan Nations pinhead, and I am black, I am going to have serious
>doubts about his willingness to lay down his life for me....Trust
>amongst members of a combat arms team is very important.

Well that is your opinion.  From my first hand experience by people who were 
in the Airborne and the in my own company, you own person views do NOT get in 
the way of your duty.

Don't forget you usually only have split seconds to make decisions.  When in a 
fire fight, your first priority is to hit the ground, then your second would 
be to return fire from a secure location.  Then from there you do your 
pepper-potting and other tactics to overtake your enemy.

But in the first two steps, they would happen so fast, you don't have the time 
to stop and say... "i'm not going to help that nigger"  You just do what your 
training tell you to do.  And race is not a factor in training.


Marc

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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>
>>>>The caller said he was.  I can't 100% prove who he was, and you cannot 
prove 
>>>>who he isn't.  
>>>
>>>So, you admit that you don't know who the caller was. Therefore, you
>>>cannot know whether the caller was with the JAR or JDL, nor if he
>>>actually was one of those responsible for the arson of Zundel's house.
>
>>Yes but the evidence does lean towards the JAR.  But that does not mean 100% 
>>that the JAR was responsible.  We will have to wait until this case comes to 
>>court and all our questions will be answered.
>
>You didn't seem to, when you posted your ad.

I never posted my ad, which said.  

ZUNDEL'S HOUSE WAS DIFINATLEY BURNED BY THE JEWISH ARMED RESISTANCE.

I may have worded my ad in the wrong way.  That is why I have changed it. 



>>>Yet, your ads continue to claim that "ERNST ZUNDEL'S house... was lit
>>>on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance". This is a direct assertion,
>>>admitting of no uncertainty. How do you reconcile this claim with your
>>>admission that you _do not know_ the identity of the arsonist?
>
>>You must have missed quite a few of my posts.  I have stated that I was 
going 
>>to change my BBS ad.  
>
>I saw that statement. I have yet to see a change in any advertising.


Well I have not posted it again.  But since you mention it, i'll post it right 
now!


Marc
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[tedious ad deleted]

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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>
>[ Ken McVay wrote:]
>>>>>This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier!
>>>
>>>
>[Lemire:]
>>>>Are you saying that the book is lying?   Are you denying that you are 
>>>>not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network?
>>>
>[Myself:]
>>>What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?
>
>>It does not give the exact amount.
>
>You are evading, Lemire. 
>
>You claim the book says that Ken McVay is financed by Jerusalem One. I
>challenged you to post exactly what the book does say. You evade by
>telling us what the book does not say.
>
>_You_ made the claim. _You_ back it up. 

I did already back it up.  I gave the exact page number, book's name, ISSN 
number, ect.

I am not your personal typist.  Get off your ass and go to the library and get 
the book.



>>>Or is this another example of Lemire/Cloud-Cuckoo-Land Logic (TM)? Do
>
>>What the hell are you talking about sir?  "Lemire/cloud-cuckoo-land logic"?
>
>>Please get real.
>
>Here's real for you: You are incapable of constructing a logical
>argument. Your conclusions are based on insufficient facts. Your logic
>is faulty.
>
>Was that real enough?


You are entitled to your own opinions.  I do not find any fault in my logic, 
but I do find fault in yours.  But that is ofcourse, my opinion.


>>>you assume that, since Zvi Lando and Ken McVay are mentioned in the
>>>same paragraph, that one must be in the pocket of the other? Be real
>>>brave, Lemire -- for once. Tell us exactly what you base you
>>>allegations on.
>
>>CAN'T YOU READ.  I GAVE THE EXACT BOOK, THE EXACT PAGE NUMBER, THE ISSN 
>>NUMBER AND THE AUTHORS NAME.
>
>No, Lemire. It is not my job to prove you wrong. You made an
>assertion. Back it up or back off.

Read above about getting off your ass.


>We've seen cowards of your stripe on Usenet before. You are great at
>making wild accusations. When challenged, you cower behind the
>"You-want-me-to-do-your-homework-for-you/You-go-try-to-prove-me-wrong"
>whine.
>
>_You_ made the claim. _You_ back it up. Frankly, I think you fear
>posting the actual text of the Gale directory entry because you know
>it is insufficient to support your claim.


That is your opinion.  Based on nothing.  Since you have not read the book, 
shut up, get off your ass and get it.


>>>> [...deletia...]
>>>>Wow... You even get to give tax deductions.   Boy you really have set up 
>>quite 
>>>>a nice business.
>>>
>>>Exactly how does one make a profit from giving tax deductions, Lemire?
>
>>Get real buddy!  If you give tax deductions people will give you money just 
to 
>>take it off their taxes.   come on don't play that stupid!
>
>Irrelevant, Lemire. Answer the original question: How does Ken McVay
>make a "profit" from giving out tax deductions? How does a
>"profitable" enterprise (which is what you assert Ken is running with
>the Nizkor project) get the right to give tax deductions?

People will give more money if they know that it will be taken off their 
taxes.  As for him making profit.  I guess only him and his accountant knows. 
But I do know that if I could give tax deductions that I would be ahead.  


Marc
[sig deleted]

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 10:54:07 PDT 1995
Article: 32281 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 05:56:26 GMT
Organization: Canadian Patriots Network
Lines: 109
Message-ID: <41973r$11t@inforamp.net>
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>answer a direct question, does the National Alliance Polka:
>
>[The question]
>
>"What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?"
>
>[The Polka]
>
>"It does not give the exact amount."
>
>In fairness to Mr. Lemire, who simply may suffer from poor
>reading comprehension skills, I will re-state the question in
>words he will hopefully understand:
>
>What _exactly_ does the book say?
>Are payments actually mentioned?
>
>[Ahoneatwoathree...turn on the bubble machine...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Are you some kind of child?  I posted you a message asking you to not do such 
stupid things.  I also said I would hold myself back.

BTW Mr. McVay, since you are the one who would know the best....  Do you get 
money from the Jerusalem One Network?   

You avoided directly answering before.   Just answer that question and our 
financing will be solved.  After all the book might be wrong.

once again for you.

DO YOU GET FINANCING FROM THE JERUSALEM ONE NETWORK?


It would solve our problems quite quickly.


Marc

[sig deleted]

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 10:54:11 PDT 1995
Article: 32282 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Lemire: a 75 line wicked sig... keep it up bud!!!!
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 05:39:11 GMT
Organization: Canadian Patriots Network
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>More pathetic than even George Burdi..
>
>While I accept and protect your right to air your views, I think that
>having a 75 line sig is just a ridiculous waste of bandwidth. Post it in a
>separate post, every day if you must, but please lose it off the end of
>every response, ok?
>
>I mean, sometimes you have 4 lines of response, some space and then that
>bloated 75 line sig.
>
>I feel a killfile add coming up...too bad; while I usually disagree with
>you, one of the reasons I read AR is to hear different points of view.
>
>Cheers..
>



Are you saying that you would like me to make it bigger????! :)


Well it's is a good way of attracting people to our WWW, FTP and BBS sites.

You are also free to do the same if you want!


Marc



[75-line sig deleted]

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 10:54:17 PDT 1995
Article: 32283 of alt.revisionism
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: R: >>>Lemire's Revisionist BBS: The truth Continues
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 05:59:35 GMT
Organization: Canadian Patriots Network
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>: >: In article ,
>: > 
>: >By the way, Marc. where do YOU work?
>
>
>: OH yes I hate people who do an honest days work.
>
>: That is why I chose one of the hardest careers in the world.  
>: Just because  hate hard workers.
>
>
>: Get real please
>
>
>[a whole lot of advertising deleted]
> 
>NOTE that Marc does NOT say where he works or what he does.


DO YOU NOT READ ANY OF THE OTHER MESSAGES IN THIS CONFERENCE?   

If you would open your eyes you would see the big discussion about my job.

Here i'll make you job a bit easier.


I WORK FOR THE CANADIAN ARMED FORCES AND I AM A MEDIC (QL3) QUALIFIED.
I am also in collage.  And I run one of the fastest not-for-profit BBS in 
Toronto.


Marc
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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:18 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
Date: 8 Aug 1995 22:06:11 GMT
Organization: Canadian Patriots Network
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In article <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net>,
   kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote:
>In article <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>>         NOW OVER 50 MEGS OF REVISIONIST PICTURES AND TEXT FILES!!!
>>              including picture files of ERNST ZUNDEL'S house
>>          which was lit on fire by the Jewish Armed Resistance       
>
>Mr. Lemire, what purpose do you serve by continuing to make 
>this unsupportable claim?
>
>You know, for a _fact_, that no charges have been laid in the Zundel 
>arson.
>
>You know, for a _fact_, that no suspects have been identified.
>
>You know, for a _fact_, that no warrants have been issued.
>
>And yet, in spite of your knowing these _facts_, you continue to
>make this claim. That's called _lying_, Mr. Lemire, and, given your
>recent (and equally unsupportable) lie about the contents of the Leuchter
>BBS file, one can only assume that you have no compunction when it comes
>to libeling individuals or groups of people.
>
>In short, you lie when it suits you, and you lie knowing full well
>that your lies can (and will) be exposed before the net.
>
>Or perhaps your particular political beliefs include a justice system
>based upon hearsay and idle speculation? Perhaps you have no respect
>for rules of evidence in a free society, preferring instead to make them
>up as you go along?
>
>Is that how you justify your lies, Mr. Lemire? If not, please tell us
>how you _do_ justify your lies..


I have told you enough times Mr. McVay.  If you do not like the facts I bring 
up... Too bad.

I don't feel like retyping them every time you post these stupid messages.

Marc Lemire

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:22 PDT 1995
Article: 1018 of alt.conspiracy
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.white-power,can.politics
Subject: Re: You haven't got enough money, Mr. Lemire..
Date: 13 Aug 1995 09:30:58 GMT
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In article <409dtq$f82@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>Path: 
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for-mail
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.whi
te-power,can.politics
>Subject: You haven't got enough money, Mr. Lemire..
>Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:35:06 -0700
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
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<3vscvq$51n@nanaimo.island.net> <407a8b$1fv@inforamp.net>
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>Summary: Marc Lemire thinks money will buy him storage on nizkor..
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>Status: N
>
>[Mr. Lemire]
>
>".... on another topic, since I post your files for all my users why
>don't you give me some space of your FTP site?  It seems only fair.
>I will even go you one further.  I will put 10 times as much of your
>material on my bbs as I will post of your FTP site.  That sounds even
>more fair."
>
>[McVay]
>
>"I'm not remotely interested in paying for your storage, Mr. Lemire."
>
>[Lemire]
>
>"Since your too cheap to pay, i'll send you the money to cover the
>costs.  How much does it cost for 5 megs of storage on your ftp site?"
>
>Let me re-state my position in words even you can understand, Mr.
>Lemire: You can't buy storage on nizkor.


OK then I will erase your files that I put FREE on my BBS.


OH by the way, since you save all my posts on your FTP site, I have been 
contacted by 3 people who got my E-mail address from one of the posts you 
kept.  Thank you.  Keep up the good work!

Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:23 PDT 1995
Article: 1019 of alt.conspiracy
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:19:52 GMT
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In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>Path: 
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-net.com!canada!freenet.unbc.edu!unbc.edu!news.bctel.net!news.island.net!nizko
r.almanac.bc.ca!not-for-mail
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po
litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
>Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
>Date: 10 Aug 1995 08:37:09 -0700
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Lines: 20
>Message-ID: <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> 
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>Status: N
>
>In article <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org>, G. Ghazanfari  
wrote:
>
>>White supremists should be locked away in jail.
>
>>I thot there were hate laws to stop these people?
>
>Why would you want to stop them? They are uniformly inept at
>expressing themselves, uniformly bereft of language skills, and
>consistent at exposing themselves as bigoted, lying idiots. They
>are, in fact, their own worst enemies.
>
>The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.

Under our sheets???

What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy?


The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more 
support by the day.

The only thing you have accomplished is to make yourself look like an idiot.



Marc



From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:23 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40dnup$r4n@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
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>From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po
litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
>Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
>Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:50:49 +0100
>Organization: TCD Maths
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>Message-ID: <40dnup$r4n@bell.maths.tcd.ie>
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>Status: N
>
>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>I have told you enough times Mr. McVay.  If you do not like the facts I 
bring 
>>up... Too bad.
>
>	Translation: I'm allergic to facts, so I can't reply to Ken McVay's
>postings

Funny, I have replied to them all.


>>I don't feel like retyping them every time you post these stupid messages.
>
>	Translation: I wouldn't bother my arse doing it, even if I could, as
>I'm going off in a snit because you've made me look stupid.
>


I am NOT going anywhere.  I will continue to post and post.  


Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
Date: 13 Aug 1995 10:28:45 GMT
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In article <40do47$rba@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
   dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
>Path: 
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il
>From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
>Newsgroups: 
alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.po
litics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
>Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
>Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:53:43 +0100
>Organization: TCD Maths
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>References: <3vd3ia$11l@inforamp.net> <3vlife$dcj@nanaimo.island.net> 
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>Status: N
>
>gfari@wink.io.org (G. Ghazanfari) writes:
>>White supremists should be locked away in jail.
>
>	Indeed, they are unpleasant people.
>
>>I thot there were hate laws to stop these people?
>
>	Personally, I think it's better to show them to be the fools and liars
>they are; censoring them just gives them an excuse to sit on their arses and
>bleat "We're being persecuted". Allowing them to be heard and rebutted shows
>them for what they are.
>
>	Of course, if any of them commits a violent act, they should be tried
>in a court, just like anyone else.

Gee in you first answer we should be locked away, in your second answer we 
should be allowed to speak.

You and McVay must get alone quite well.  You both seem to think the same



Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:27 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40m4qb$stc@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>,
   aa287@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Lorne  Warwick ) wrote:
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>From: aa287@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Lorne  Warwick )
>Newsgroups: 
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>Date: 14 Aug 1995 00:19:23 GMT
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<408n4j$5eu@inforamp.net> <408v6s$5od@ionews.io.org> 
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>Status: N
>
>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>:    kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>: >Why would you want to stop them? They are uniformly inept at
>: >expressing themselves, uniformly bereft of language skills, and
>: >consistent at exposing themselves as bigoted, lying idiots. They
>: >are, in fact, their own worst enemies.
>: >
>: >The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>: >what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>: >hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.
>
>: Under our sheets???
>
>: What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy?
>
>
>: The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more 
>: support by the day.
>
>Really?  Having read through this thread, I can discern absolutely no 
>support for your twisted views.


Like what Twisted views are you talking about?

I have made very resonable statements.  If you don't like them well thats too 
bad.


Marc


From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:28 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: McVays funding from Jerusalem
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 10:43:23 GMT
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In article <40mj5s$26t@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
   kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <40lohs$q8d@news.cais.com>,   wrote:
>>CyberKnght has been posting  a lot in this newsgroup.  He always  sends
>>copies of his posts to the Jewish and Zionists organizations for which he
>>works.  Here is a list of the addresses he sends copies to;
>>bzs@world.std.com, al.negron@channell.com, kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
>>sschultz@crl.com, paalde@stud.cs.uit.no, israel.silverman@moondog.com.
>>Does he get paid by ADL, JDL and the Mossad for each word he writes, and
>>the copies are his invoices to justify these organizations expending the US
>>Foreign aid money to pay CyberKnght's salary?
>
>My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!"
>

>Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish
>and Zionist organization should be paying me?  While you're at it,
>please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can
>get my letterheads printed correctly.



OK Kenny-boy.  Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network.  Their address is 6 Ben 
Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel.  Your contact person is Zvi Lando.  (The follwoing 
information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149.  
ISSN number 1081-2385.  The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale 
Research Inc.)

Also according to the article on you in the Globe and Mail on Oct 18, 1994 you 
are also recieving a collection of money to buy you a new computer, and a more 
direct link to the Internet, from Prof. Swartz (Prof at Simon Frazer 
University) and the United Church.

For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the 
Internet costs" let me fill you in.

A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's 
largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.  If he is really 
pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE 
THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.  This connection runs off a PPP capable synchronous 
router and can run all Internet functions (WWW, Telnet, E-mail, UseNet etc)


That should put the question to rest of where McVay gets his funding.  (At 
least the printed places)  



Marc




From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:29 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40o925$dqo@bell.maths.tcd.ie>,
 
>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>>>The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>>>what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>>>hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.
>>Under our sheets???
>
>	It's just suddenly struck me why Marc Lemire seems so upset about the
>sheets remark - he's afraid that people will think he's under-endowed!!!

Boy you are quite an intelligent person. 


>	That reminds me: a man goes into a shop to buy condoms and the
>assistant asks him "What size do you want: Small, Medium or Liar?"

I suppose small is a bit too big for you... 'eh Derek?


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article , beebe@netcom.com (Mike Beebe) wrote:

>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>: I have made very resonable statements.  If you don't like them well thats 
too 
>: bad.
>
>     Ah yes, Marc Lemire, the voice of "reson".

Thats right!


Marc




From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:34 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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In article <40suj3$qmm@fullfeed.msn.fullfeed.com>,
>From the smoke and mush, Lemire wrote:
>>I have told you enough times Mr. McVay.  If you do not like the facts I 
bring 
>>up... Too bad.
>
>Hey - is my site not getting any of the articles that Marc's posted that 
have,
>you know, *facts* in 'em? All I'm getting here is poorly spelled bluster
>repeated ad infinitum. Has the Canclepoodle peed on his puttees or what?
>
>Inquiringly,
>Gregory
>


I have posted the facts.   try reading them sometimes.


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:35 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
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In article <40t4ub$23r@nanaimo.island.net>,

>In article <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>
>[mcvay] My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!"
>>>Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish
>>>and Zionist organization should be paying me?  While you're at it,
>>>please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can
>>>get my letterheads printed correctly.
>
>>OK Kenny-boy.  Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network.  Their address is 6 
Ben 
>
>That's _really_ funny :-)

I bet it is.  


>>Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel.  Your contact person is Zvi Lando.  (The 
follwoing 
>>information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149.  
>>ISSN number 1081-2385.  The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale 
>>Research Inc.)
>
>This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier!


Are you saying that the book is lying?   Are you denying that you are 
not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network?



>>Also according to the article on you in the Globe and Mail on Oct 18, 1994 
you 
>>are also recieving a collection of money to buy you a new computer, and a 
more 
>>direct link to the Internet, from Prof. Swartz (Prof at Simon Frazer 
>>University) and the United Church.
>
>You are behind the times, Mr. Lemire, to say the least... the new computer
>(nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) went on-line on April 20 of this year. The
>United Church agreement expired on March 31 of this year, and was not
>renewed (at my request, the funding was moved closer to home, and
>was once again a temporary agreement - which expires on October 1,
>when I hope to have my foundation registered with the Canadian government),
>etc.
>
>All of this information, by the way, is clearly outlined on the Nizkor
>Web, at www.almanac.bc.ca for those who, unlike Mr. Lemire,  like
>to know what's really going on.


So who is paying you now?


>>For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the 
>>Internet costs" let me fill you in.
>>
>>A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's 
>>largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.  If he is 
really 
>>pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE 
>>THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.  This connection runs off a PPP capable 
synchronous 
>>router and can run all Internet functions (WWW, Telnet, E-mail, UseNet etc)
>
>My 28.8k PPP link costs me $350.00 a month, and was paid by public donation.
>That, too, is public information, and always has been.

I never said it wasn't.  I was just replying to you who asked who  was paying 
you.


>Before Mr. Lemire arrived on the scene, back when Mr. Hoffman and Mr. (Tim)
>McCarthy were making similar (and equally silly) claims, I promised both
>of them that any donations would be used to put a server on the net.
>Six months later, I delivered on the promise.

Why are these claim's "silly"  Is it silly to ask you where you get your money 
from?  

Of course it's not.  If you are making public where you get money from, well 
thats great.  I would personally like to know. (Out of interest)


>The computer, by the way, Mr. Lemire, was _given_ to me by a Vancouver
>dealer who couldn't sell it because it was obsolete (486/33). He is,
>for the record, a conservative Christian.

What a nice guy.



>>That should put the question to rest of where McVay gets his funding.  (At 
>>least the printed places)  
>
>The source of my funding has never been anything but public, Mr. Lemire.
>You'll find references to it all over my Web site. (Does it surprise you to
>learn that people will assist an effort to combat hate on the net, Mr.
>Lemire? Personally, I hope they continue to do so, so I can replace this
>486 with a SPARC 50 and a Ubiquity line. I'll be able to do a much more
>efficient job then.)


No it does not surprise me.  Actaully I wish you the best of luck.



>People also donate their time, Mr. Lemire - research, HTML programming,
>transcription service... volunteers, all. Thanks to them, we will
>soon begin the job of converting fifty megs of material to HTML,
>adding the complete IMT set, and stuff like that.

Well thats great.  I can't wait to see it.


>We might even start an "Adopt a Hate-Monger" program, wherein volunteers
>will agree to donate an hour of their time every time their adopted
>hatemonger posts an article here. Perhaps someone will adopt _you_,
>Mr. Lemire, so you, too, will be actively contributing to the value
>of my WWW site... given your habit of spamming all over the net, I'd
>really like that!

Gee I hope you adopt me.  I would love to argue with you till we both go blue 
in the face.

Maybe us "Nazi's" should have an "adopt-a-jew" program.   Who knows maybe I'll 
be the volunteer who gets you.



>Watch for an announcement about the "Adopt a Hate-Monger" campaign,
>which may appear here within the next month. (We're not quite ready
>for the expected flood of volunteers from this program, but should be
>soon, so if you'd like to donate an hour of your time for every Lemire
>post, hold the though, but don't narrow your sights on Lemire... you
>have a rich source of hatemongers to choose from, and the others might
>feel slighted if they were unable to contribute to the success of the
>Nizkor Web because no-one would adopt them!)
>
>Feel free to make a donation - I'll see to it that you receive your
>tax deduction.


Wow... You even get to give tax deductions.   Boy you really have set up quite 
a nice business.



>An American agency (not remotely Jewish, not that it matters) should
>be announced soon.
>
>Thank you for raising the issue of funding again, Mr. Lemire. The last
>time that was done here, I received donations from all over the world;
>these donations were sufficient to provide the internet link for an entire
>year... with any luck at all, you might be able to claim responsibility
>for keeping me on the net for another year - nice gesture.


Well You know, being the nice guy that I am.

Oh by the way, thanks to you I have gotten quite alot of new prospects to our 
Internet Mailing service, and we have also received a nice amount of Donations 
to keep Canada's most controversial BBS going.  So I guess we help each other.


Marc





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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
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In article ,
  writes:
>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>For most users who are not too sure how much a "more direct link to the 
>>>Internet costs" let me fill you in.
>>>
>>>A direct connection (Via ISDN lines) from UUnet Canada which is Canada's 
>>>largest Internet provider costs FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.  If he is 
really 
>>>pulling in the bucks he could opt for the 56K Leased line which costs ONE 
>>>THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH.  
>>
>>If these figures are correct, we Americans should run as far as possible
>>away from anything resembling the Canadian style of government. I can get
>>a T1 line for $650 / month.  If these figures are not correct, it appears 
>>that Mr. Lemire has an ax to grind, and reserve judgement on his post
>>until such time as he quotes from cited sources and we find they are
>>verifiable.
>>

These figues are quoted right out of the UUNET's price guide, faxed to me 2 
days ago.


>I've had ISDN lines quoted to me at about $90/month with a $400 setup fee,
>I'd say that mr. lemire is completely out to lunch on his "fee" quotes.
>even then, it's easy to a: assume that UUNET is the most expensive, and

It is possible that UUNET is the most expensive, I am not sure on that.


>b: nice round numbers are easy to pull out of hats.


Like I mentioned earlier, I quoted directly from the UUNET price guide. So 
none of these numbers are "pulled out of my hat"


Marc




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In article ,

>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>
>> **           CANADIAN PATRIOTS NETWORK              **
>> ** MAIL: 152 Carlton St. Suite 545, Toronto,        **
>
>If I am correct, this address is right in the middle of the St
>Jamestown/Regent's Park area of Toronto.
>

Nope.  Jamestown is about 5 blocks North and Regent Park is 3 blocks South and 
2 blocks East.

My address is in a place called Cabbagetown.  Which is in the middle of the 
two and goes more west.


Marc




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In article ,

>> 
>> Not really.  If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of 
>> people.  My E-mailing list is around 700+ people.  Combine that with
>others we 
>> have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us.  So we are 
winning 
>> the war on the Internet... NOT YOU!
>> 
>> 
>
>This is something you can never proove, unless you provide the names and
>email addresses of the people you mail to, which of course, you really
>can't do. That said,last time I checked there were 20 million people with
>a connection to the internet. That makes your "subscription list" oh about
>two one hundreths of a one percent (0.02%) of the Internet.


Well it's also inceasing by the day.  As the Internet increases so do we.  The 
majority of Internet users have at least E-mail.  So that is where we are 
concentrating.  WWW and Usenet and other places we are looking at.


Marc

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>In article <40mtkg$dl9@ionews.io.org>,   wrote:
>
>>>Hate Laws hate Whites, Hate laws hate truth!
>
>>Hate laws frown on hate.  
>
>Actually, by making it illegal, hate laws *hate* hate...
>which means they really render themselves illegal.

Nope in Canada the "Hate" laws have only been succesfully used against Whites. 
 And about the part where I quote Gary Schipper saying "hate laws hate truth" 
I believe he is refering to the case of John Ross Taylor where in his court 
case the judge said [quote]"truth does not matter" {In reguards to his stand 
on the Jews}


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:40 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 12:36:40 GMT
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>Yes there was a gas chamber at Dachau but it was NEVER used to kill people.
>
>>There is a REMOVABLE sign right inside the gas chamber at Dachau that says 
>>this chamber was never used to gas people.
>
>You keep saying that the sign is REMOVABLE as if this means something.
>How is it REMOVABLE? Is is held onto a wall with REMOVABLE bolts, or
>is it just hanging from REMOVABLE cup hooks, or what? Bear in mind
>that your house is REMOVABLE with a wrecking ball and a bulldozer.

The sign is attached to a post with a SMALL block at the bottom.  You can move 
the sign out of the way to take a picture of the gas chamber quite easily.


>So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign?

It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.

One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
factory.  What a sickness.   

When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and there 
former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.

And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's!  Information 
like this really makes you think twice.

Marc Lemire

From bzs@world.std.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:42 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.

You say "German", I say "Nazi", but...

Innocence of what? Of gassings particularly? Apparently there were
gassings, several here have offered reliable and scholarly evidence of
this.

But you still haven't cited anything as to how you know anything about
this sign. For all we know it's something some buddy of yours told you
over beers one night, maybe complete bull.

Look, either you saw it yourself, or you read it somewhere, or you
heard it somewhere. That's something we're asking, how did you come to
know this? I have no idea if it's true or not, but even after reading
your hearsay-sounding story I still don't know.

>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>factory.  What a sickness.   

Well, it was, and Dachau in general certainly was a "killing factory".

Overall it's hardly misleading.

>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.

Again, what's the source of your rather vivid description?

I think it would be nice for a reader to know if this is something
reliable, or perhaps some hearsay you got in your school's locker room
one day.

It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by
American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in
his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678:

	Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant
	Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the
	inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American
	soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw
	of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one
	incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the
	SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up
	against a wall.

See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable
and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has
received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended
press reports than analytic histories.)

I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted
the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book
in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer
anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course
they're free to look into other sources if they like.

Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of
people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard
dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our
far removed and comfortable sensibilities.

Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty
much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an
inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have
done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like
German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained
attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding
the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the
circumstances.

At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't.

History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit
still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only
about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.)

So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted?

For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the
day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within
the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same
source, Gilbert, same page.)

So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a
"killing factory".

Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I
have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but
taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny
percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation.

As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would
have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity
at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or
unjustified, the horrible result.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:44 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <40sfjn$kcv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> >: In article <40d935$8bh@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>,
>> >:    kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>> >: >The internet has provided the world, finally, with a clear view of 
>> >: >what these people are, and what they stand for - no longer can they
>> >: >hide their lies and deceptions under their sheets.
>> >
>> >: Under our sheets???
>> >
>> >: What the hell are you talking about kenny-boy?
>> >
>
>I assumed Ken's allegory implied that you "revisionists" play with your
>"ideas" much like pubescent boys play with their wankers... in desperate
>frustration. 


For the 1st point, I am not and have never claimed to be a Revisionist.  So 
your are mistaken on that point.

On the second point, I must disagree with you.  The revisionists have put up 
quite a solid wall for quite along time.  Due to the nature of a revisionist 
"revising history" they are constantly revising there beliefs on things due to 
the new evidence coming to the fore, every year.


>> >: The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and 
more 
>> >: support by the day.
>
>See "playing with one's wanker", above. 
>
>> >Really?  Having read through this thread, I can discern absolutely no 
>> >support for your twisted views.
>> 
>> Like what Twisted views are you talking about?
>
>Like that spewing lies long and loud enough will make them true maybe?
>Seems pretty twisted to me... 


My point exactly.   Mcvay can yak as long as he wants to.  


>> I have made very resonable statements.  
>
>See "spewing lies" above.
>
>If you don't like them well thats too bad.
>
>Yup. It _is_ too bad. It is _very_ bad. It is also disgusting, vile,
>reprehensible, dishonest, cowardly... 
>
>All in all it pretty much describes something a pathetic little wretch
>like you would do. 


You have to resort to name calling.  ..... wah, wah!


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:45 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: Out of Interest? (was Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
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>In article <40v3sa$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>> [In response to Ken McVay saying his funding sources are public info]
>>Of course it's not.  If you are making public where you get money from, well 
>>thats great.  I would personally like to know. (Out of interest)
>
>How uninsiduous. Psychologists want to know: Why did Mr. Lemire feel
>compelled to add the parenthesized, uh, disclaimer? Does he sometimes
>want to know such information for other reasons? What could those
>reasons be?????


Why would it not be of interest to me?   

And a disclaimer FOR WHAT?

I am free to ask what ever I want to.  I need no disclaimers on my messages.


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:46 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <40v6cr$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>In article ,
>>>This is something you can never proove, unless you provide the names and
>>>email addresses of the people you mail to, which of course, you really
>>>can't do. That said,last time I checked there were 20 million people with
>>>a connection to the internet. That makes your "subscription list" oh about
>>>two one hundreths of a one percent (0.02%) of the Internet.
>>Well it's also inceasing by the day.  As the Internet increases so do we.  
The 
>>majority of Internet users have at least E-mail.  So that is where we are 
>>concentrating.  WWW and Usenet and other places we are looking at.
>
>Oh yeah, Marc!  You're doing great on Usenet!  Why do we outnumber you 
>then Marc?  On this NG alone there are more lib'ral types than actual 
>racists... look at the posts.
>

You cannot say that for sure, since you do not know who reads all the 
messages.  We only know who writes.  there could be millions of likeminded 
people on here.  It is impossible to tell accuratley.


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:48 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
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>This is unreal! Shall we talk for a minute about the other 6 million 
>people who were killed because of their religion, thier 
>disabilities,their ethnicity or thier sexual orientation? How do you know 
>that the gas chamber at Dachau was not used to kill people? Does this 
>minor fact excuse German atrocities that were committed during the second 
>WW? I think you have serious problems!

DID YOU EVEN READ THE FILE YOU ARE RESPONDING TO?

As I said..... THERE IS A REMOVABLE SIGN RIGHT IN THE GAS CHAMBER THAT SAYS 
AND LET ME QUOTE FOR YOU .... QUOTE" GAS CHAMBER. (Disguised as a shower room) 
NEVER USED AS A GAS CHAMBER"  It is in FOUR languages.


Is that clear enough for you?  or are you so full of hate you cannot open you 
eyes?




Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:20:49 PDT 1995
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>In article <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>> many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>> began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>> pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>> stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>> former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>It's a pity that you have more sympathy for German Shepards than you do
>for people, marc.
> 
>Makes MY stomach turn to see photographs of those same dogs attacking
>starving and weak concentration camp inmates.
> 
>Pity.
>


The dogs are still Innocent.  They were in cages when the Americans came into 
the camp.  They did not have to kill the dogs.  Expecially with clubs.  They 
could have shot the dogs.  They did not have to make the dogs suffer by 
beating them till they were dead.



OH and by the way, just because I was talking about dogs in the following 
paragraph, does not in anyway mean I have no feeling for the inmates that were 
hurt.   Please don't play word games.



Marc

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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>: It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>: gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>
>: One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>: chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>: factory.  What a sickness.   
>
>: When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>: many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>: began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>: pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>: stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>: former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>   JAR-Head, this is complete and utter bullshit. I've read a LOT of books
>   about the second world war, from eye-witness accounts to historical
>   analysis, and NO WHERE has the above attrocities been mentioned.
>
>   Lemme guess, your proof comes from German sources, right?

NO they were from American sources.  Besides ALL THE GERMANS WERE KILLED.  So 
what German source could I quote from?


Marc

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>Chris Iggulden (4cii@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote:
>: This is unreal! Shall we talk for a minute about the other 6 million 
>: people who were killed because of their religion, thier 
>: disabilities,their ethnicity or thier sexual orientation? How do you know 
>: that the gas chamber at Dachau was not used to kill people? Does this 
>: minor fact excuse German atrocities that were committed during the second 
>: WW? I think you have serious problems!
>

>Having visited Dachau, let me point out that there are *two*
>crematoria, the second built because the original one could not
>handle the number of bodies to be incinerated.  While the
>older crematorium did not include a gas chamber, there was no
>shortage of bodies; the long working hours, poor diet,
>the crowded & disease-ridden barracks and, finally, the deliberate
>executions of inmates by guards ensured that the crematorium
>chimney constantly fumed thick, black smoke.  Dachau was

Coem on there was NOT THINK BLACK SMOKE.  Pick up an encyclopedia and look 
under crematoriums.  They solved the problem of smoke coming oout of the 
stakes way back in the middle 1800's.  That is bullshit.


>used as a labour-camp, the inmates produced munitions.  So as
>long as they were capable of working, they were useful to the
>Deutsche war effort as slave labour.  
>
>Now the second, newer, and much larger crematorium does include a
>gas chamber.  The previous poster is correct in pointing out that
>there is a sign that states that this room was never used for 
>its intended purpose.  But then there are other 
>signs: one explains that inmates were hung by the neck from 
>wooden support beams while their fellow-inmates were 
>forced to feed the ovens with bodies and coal, all of this done 
>to the amusement of the guards.

Amusement of the guards?  They were cremating the bodies to try to help solve 
the Lice problem.  There was not a sinister plot behind it like you are trying 
to imply.


>Elaborating on the point Chris makes above, let us not lose 
>sight of the fact that there are many hideous and evil ways 
>to kill those human beings some people happen not to like.  If 
>the sign is correct, it would seem that poison gas was not 
>used at Dachau. But this does not in the least alter the 
>fact that great atrocities were committed there. 

There were atrocities committed there, but even after the Americans liberated 
it there were thousands of people dying.  The Americans committed atrocities 
when the "liberated" the camp.  They butchered EVERY GUARD.  That is also an 
atrocity.


>I strongly recommend that anyone visiting Munich should include a
>side trip to Dachau in their itinerary.  It was for me a most
>emotional experience:  although it was more than forty years since
>the ovens were last fired, I do believe I could still smell the smoke.

I bet you could.  

OH YA.  They also solved the problem of smells coming from the Crematorium way 
back in the middle 1800's.  So there was NO SMELL OR THICK BLACK SMOKE coming 
>from  the crematorium.


Marc

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>The thing I love about neo Nazis is that they declare:
>
>HITLER NEVER KILLED ANY JEWS but (in a whispered voice), he should
>have.
>

Please quote who said this?  I have personally NEVER heard such a quote.


>Hitler as a moderate.  Some people have an odd notion of history.

NO one has said he was a moderate. 


Please get your stuff straight.


Marc

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>schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:
>
>
>>It's a pity that you have more sympathy for German Shepards than you do
>>for people, marc.
>> 
>>Makes MY stomach turn to see photographs of those same dogs attacking
>>starving and weak concentration camp inmates.
>> 
>
>Marc is playing on a certain trait of the American (and perhaps other)
>people.  A man and his dog got hit by a train.  The local paper got
>2 dozen calls asking how the dog was.  Nobody enquired about the man.

I am not playing on anything.  I think that what happened was sick.  I never 
said that I don't care about what happened to the inmates.  Ms. Schwartz is 
playing some kind of game and making up stuff I never said.


Marc

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>In article <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>  :When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>  :many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>  :began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>  :pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>  :stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and
>there 
>  :former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>Nice. You make it sound like the big, bad Allies were running through the
>contryside bludgeoning people's puppies. These were guard dogs, Marc. They
>were trained to attack people at their handler's command. They were,
>perhaps, a greater danger than the human guards, because they were trained
>to attack, but not to surrender.

That does not answer why the Americans used CLUBS TO KILL THE DOGS.  They 
could have easily used their guns to kill them, but no that had to put the 
dog though increadible pain and use clubs to kill them.  

That is sick.  No matter how you look at it.



Marc

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>> It really made my 
>> stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>> former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>> 
>
>Who is they?


What the hell are you talking about Gandhi?  The word THEY is never even used 
in the section you quoted.


Please wake up before posting.


Marc

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>Oh yes the poor Nazi guards! Reading your bullshit made kind of hope that 
>the Yanks did kill a bunch of guards. That's because too many war 
>criminals got away during the Nuremburg Trials. Swift justice, legality 
>didn't matter if those guards were really killed.

You are a very sick person.  How could you wish harm upon anyone?
How could you also say that it doesn't matter if those guards were really 
killed.  How would you feel if I said, it doesn't matter if any Jews were 
killed.


>So what was Dachau? Some sort of luxury labour camp? Take away the Jews 
>money, property, livelihood, THEIR LIVES PERIOD. Then put them in a 
>goldplated workcamp with the world's most progressive labour laws!
>
>You nazi wingnuts ought to try a dose of reality!

Actually only EIGHT PERCENT OF DACHAU WAS JEWISH.  And it was not a luxury 
camp.  it was a forced labour camp.  No one said it was nice there.  I say 
that NO PERSON IN THE CAMP WAS EVER GASSED THEIR.



>The bottom line is approximately 6 million Jews were murdered from 1933 
>to 1945. Then add on atleast another 1 or 2 million gays, lesbians, the 
>mentally handicapped, the physically handicapped, gypsies, and host of 
>nationals that stood up against the Nazi.

I do not think that Six million Jews were killed.  I do know that alot of Jews 
were but I must serously question the six million number.




>May you goosestep off the edge of a high cliff!

You are a very sick person.  have you thought about professional help?


Marc 

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>Mike Beebe (beebe@netcom.com) wrote:
>: Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: : It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>: : gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>: : One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in 
the 
>: : chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>: : factory.  What a sickness.   
>: : When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after 
shooting 
>: : many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>: : began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>: : pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>: : stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>: : former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>:    JAR-Head, this is complete and utter bullshit. I've read a LOT of books
>:    about the second world war, from eye-witness accounts to historical
>:    analysis, and NO WHERE has the above attrocities been mentioned.
>:    Lemme guess, your proof comes from German sources, right?
>
> Don't blame this idiot's delusional ranting on the Germans of today. I 
>would like to ask the idiot how he explains the Germans' acceptance, 
>atonement, restitution, and apology for this HISTORICAL FACT.
>

Can you please quote where the German government said that they were sorry FOR 
GASSING PEOPLE IN DACHAU.  I would very much like to read this.


Marc

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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>In article <40t4ub$23r@nanaimo.island.net>,
>
>>>In article <40si2g$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>>
>>>[mcvay] My goodness! I'm a "Jewish and Zionists organizations!"
>>>>>Now that I've got all _that_ down pat, please tell me which Jewish
>>>>>and Zionist organization should be paying me?  While you're at it,
>>>>>please tell me which Jewish and Zionist organization I am, so I can
>>>>>get my letterheads printed correctly.
>>>
>>>>OK Kenny-boy.  Your paid by the Jerusalem One Network.  Their address is 6 
>>Ben 
>>>
>>>That's _really_ funny :-)
>
>>I bet it is.  
>
>
>>>>Labrat, Jerusalem, Israel.  Your contact person is Zvi Lando.  (The 
>>follwoing 
>>>>information is from the Gale guide to Internet Databases Page 148-149.  
>>>>ISSN number 1081-2385.  The editor is Joana Zakalik and compiled by Gale 
>>>>Research Inc.)
>>>
>>>This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier!
>
>
>>Are you saying that the book is lying?   Are you denying that you are 
>>not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network?
>
>What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?

It does not give the exact amount.

>Or is this another example of Lemire/Cloud-Cuckoo-Land Logic (TM)? Do

What the hell are you talking about sir?  "Lemire/cloud-cuckoo-land logic"?


Please get real.


>you assume that, since Zvi Lando and Ken McVay are mentioned in the
>same paragraph, that one must be in the pocket of the other? Be real
>brave, Lemire -- for once. Tell us exactly what you base you
>allegations on.

CAN'T YOU READ.  I GAVE THE EXACT BOOK, THE EXACT PAGE NUMBER, THE ISSN 
NUMBER AND THE AUTHORS NAME.


WAKE UP!



>> [...deletia...]
>>Wow... You even get to give tax deductions.   Boy you really have set up 
quite 
>>a nice business.
>
>Exactly how does one make a profit from giving tax deductions, Lemire?


Get real buddy!  If you give tax deductions people will give you money just to 
take it off their taxes.   come on don't play that stupid!


Marc

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>From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>
>You say "German", I say "Nazi", but...

You are a very sick person.  How could you say such a thing.


>Innocence of what? Of gassings particularly? Apparently there were
>gassings, several here have offered reliable and scholarly evidence of
>this.

Really please point out ONE reliable and scholarly source for evidence of 
gassign in Dachau?


>But you still haven't cited anything as to how you know anything about
>this sign. For all we know it's something some buddy of yours told you
>over beers one night, maybe complete bull.

You are stretching the truth here.  I did say where I heard about the sign.  
But it seems you failed to mention the other points.  IE.  The Mayor and 
Administrative director and also an American doctor which I also quoted.



>Look, either you saw it yourself, or you read it somewhere, or you
>heard it somewhere. That's something we're asking, how did you come to
>know this? I have no idea if it's true or not, but even after reading
>your hearsay-sounding story I still don't know.

I say a pictures of it.  I also say a video of the sign in the Shower room.  I 
also know at least 5 people who say the sign with their very own eyes.


>>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>>factory.  What a sickness.   
>
>Well, it was, and Dachau in general certainly was a "killing factory".
>
>Overall it's hardly misleading.

PLEASE GiVE ME SOME FACTS THAT DACHAU WAS A KILLING FACTORY?



>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.
>
>Again, what's the source of your rather vivid description?

THE SOURCE WAS QUOTED IN THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE.  Don't leave it out and then 
ask.   


>I think it would be nice for a reader to know if this is something
>reliable, or perhaps some hearsay you got in your school's locker room
>one day.
>
>It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by
>American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in
>his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678:
>
>	Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant
>	Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the
>	inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American
>	soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw
>	of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one
>	incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the
>	SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up
>	against a wall.
>
>See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable
>and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has
>received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended
>press reports than analytic histories.)
>
>I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted
>the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book
>in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer
>anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course
>they're free to look into other sources if they like.
>
>Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of
>people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard
>dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our
>far removed and comfortable sensibilities.
>
>Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty
>much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an
>inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have
>done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like
>German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained
>attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding
>the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the
>circumstances.
>
>At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't.

The whole point about the dogs was how savage teh Americans killed them.  
Using CLUBS instead of there guns.  If there were shot there would be very 
little pain to the dog since it would have died quite fast.  but being clubbed 
to death.  That is very painfull.



>History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit
>still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only
>about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.)
>
>So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted?
>
>For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the
>day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within
>the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same
>source, Gilbert, same page.)

Yes that is due to the typhus epidemic.  Not due to the Germans directly 
killing them.



>So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a
>"killing factory".
>
>Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I
>have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but
>taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny
>percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation.
>
>As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would
>have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity
>at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or
>unjustified, the horrible result.


I must agree.  I also wish that the nazi's did NOT have such camps.  In the 
end it only worked against them.  And it a huge source for Anti-German 
Propaganda today.


Marc

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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>So what do you think is the SIGNIFICANCE of the REMOVABLE sign?
>
>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>
>	Marc?
>
>	What if somebody simply put the sign up there that easily in the first
>place, and people really WERE gassed there?
>
>	What then?

get it straight.  NO ONE WAS GASSED IN DACHAU.  NO ONE.  NO JEW, NO POLE, NO 
GERMAN.  NO ONE.    


No if's and or but's...... NO ONE!	


>>One of the sickest pictures I have ever seen was when senators were in the 
>>chamber and passed it off to the American people as some kind of killing 
>>factory.  What a sickness.   
>
>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>>And we are told in school that the Nazi's were the bad one's!  Information 
>>like this really makes you think twice.
>
>>Marc Lemire
>
>	(sigh...)
>
>	Wow.
>
>	Hey, Marc?  How d'ya know those photos aren't faked, bud?

Oh yes... thats it.  the photo was faked.  Well I might scan it in and 
UUencode it and post the pictures here for you all to see.  


>Or try these sites out.
>>ERNST ZUNDEL'S VOICE OF FREEDOM WWW SITE
>
>	uhmm, Marc?
>
>	Have you got a URL for us, babe?  Did it ever occur to you that the
>fuckin' URL might be fuckin' useful to finding the fuckin' Web page?
>
>	Or are you just fuckin' useless brick-head?

Sure here are some URL's just for you "bud"

[adverstising deleted]

Hope you like it


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>: >When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>: >many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>: >began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>: >pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>: >stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>: >former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>That is a real shame.  My heart just really goes out to them.  I wonder 
>which guard was responsible for taking prisoners to the crematoriams? I 
>wonder which guard was responsible for escorting inmates to a wall so 
>they could be shot?  I woner which one of them laughed while the other 
>guards gang raped the female prisoners?  I wonder which guard dog tore a 
>prisoner apart on command?  Yeah, the vision you discribed really is just 
>pathetic.  Pathetic that human scum like these 'guards' were allowed to 
>live as long as they did.  What about eye witness acounts?  Hmmmm?  Do 
>you know how many survivors of the camp have talked about their experiences 
>there?  Or do you only listen to Nazi propaganda?  Well, if 
>that's the case, why aren't you listening to the well documented Nazi 
>accounts of gassin at this camp and others?  They were very careful to 
>ensure their deeds would be remembered.  

Please quote your source for all these autrocities.  And to answer one now.
German guards were forbidded by LAW to enguage in any encounters with Jewish 
people.  Watch the movie Schindlers List.  Schindler gets arrested for kissing 
a jewish Girl.  So if the guards did it, these would surley be swiftly 
arrested.



>: 	Or are you just fuckin' useless brick-head?
>
>Billy... he's a useless brick-head.  Would you mind if I plagerised (sp) 
>this insult?  I like it... very discriptive!  I'm going to run over to 
>the alt.feminism newsgroup with it!  :-)

Child's stuff.  Start dealing with the facts I am bringing up about Dachau.  


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:21:00 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>
>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
there 
>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>
>You accuse American troops of KILLING DOGS?! Oh my god, how low did we 
>sink? Gee, I hope all the soldiers involved in this atrocious crime 
>against caninity were caught and punished! 
>
>The horror! The horror!


It was not right.  It was very brutal and sickning.


Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Alexander Baron  writes:
>
>>You forgot to mention that Dachau had a brothel. Perhaps Sonderbehandlung
>>was not always such a terrible thing!
>
>You respond to a description of the murder and suffering of thousands of 
>Dachau inmates with this? I was thinking you might be of a slightly 
>higher order than Benjamin Johnson, Rick Savage, et al. Thank you for 
>reminding us all that despite a few token disagreements with these folks, 
>you are in fact just one more sick fuck.


Mr. Baron is the sick fuck.  In the past message I wrote to you, you were 
making fun of the Dogs killed by American's in Dachau.

I think you are the sick one.


Marc

From bzs@world.std.com Mon Aug 21 18:21:02 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>
>>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats and 
>>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made my 
>>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
>there 
>>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>>
>>You accuse American troops of KILLING DOGS?! Oh my god, how low did we 
>>sink? Gee, I hope all the soldiers involved in this atrocious crime 
>>against caninity were caught and punished! 
>>
>>The horror! The horror!
>
>
>It was not right.  It was very brutal and sickning.


Mr Lemire seems to have emotional energy for a few guard dogs being
killed at the liberation of a Nazi concentration camp (Dachau.)

But what of eleven million innocent civilians tortured and killed at
those same camps by the Nazis?

What about the *thousands* of Dachau inmates who died within a few
weeks after its liberation because they had been reduced by the Nazis
to such a wretched physical state that efforts by the allies to save
their lives was for naught?

Nothing.

Have you ever seen that film from the liberation of the camps where a
perhaps three year old girl with a cute smile pulls back her coat
sleeve to show the camera the tatoo on her arm?

Think about those tough Nazi SS soldiers tatooing toddlers.

Conjure up the process, what it must have been like, how many of these
tough soldiers do you think it took to hold that little girl down?
What do you suppose her reaction was like?

Then come speak to us about dogs.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:21:03 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>On 18 Aug 1995, Andrea Chen wrote:
>
>> The thing I love about neo Nazis is that they declare:
>> HITLER NEVER KILLED ANY JEWS but (in a whispered voice), he should
>> have.
>> Hitler as a moderate.  Some people have an odd notion of history.
>	
>	No what is more weird is that during face-to-face confrontations
>
>
>many of these revisionists "we killed 6/12 million last time, we will 
>kill 12/24 next time."
>
>
>Or that they claim that the power structure is run by ZOG but never
>
Typical....

You claim that Revisionists say one thing then another quote about "ZOG".  


Please TELL ME WHICH REVISIONIST SAID THIS?


I would love to know



Marc



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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>>
>>>>When the American's came to Dachau, they went on a rampage, after shooting 
>>>>many guards who were trying to surrender, they picked up sticks and bats 
and 
>>>>began beating the German Sheppard dogs.  I was just looking at one of the 
>>>>pictures taken by an American photographer who was there.  It really made 
my 
>>>>stomach turn to see these poor dogs with there skulls cracked open, and 
>>there 
>>>>former masters lying beside them with a bullet hole in head.
>>>
>>>You accuse American troops of KILLING DOGS?! Oh my god, how low did we 
>>>sink? Gee, I hope all the soldiers involved in this atrocious crime 
>>>against caninity were caught and punished! 
>>>
>>>The horror! The horror!
>>
>>
>>It was not right.  It was very brutal and sickning.
>
>
>Mr Lemire seems to have emotional energy for a few guard dogs being
>killed at the liberation of a Nazi concentration camp (Dachau.)
>
>But what of eleven million innocent civilians tortured and killed at
>those same camps by the Nazis?
>
>What about the *thousands* of Dachau inmates who died within a few
>weeks after its liberation because they had been reduced by the Nazis
>to such a wretched physical state that efforts by the allies to save
>their lives was for naught?
>
>Nothing.
>
>Have you ever seen that film from the liberation of the camps where a
>perhaps three year old girl with a cute smile pulls back her coat
>sleeve to show the camera the tatoo on her arm?
>
>Think about those tough Nazi SS soldiers tatooing toddlers.
>
>Conjure up the process, what it must have been like, how many of these
>tough soldiers do you think it took to hold that little girl down?
>What do you suppose her reaction was like?
>
>Then come speak to us about dogs.
>


Nice try but in that quote your taking from me, I was specifically talking 
about the dogs.  not the other few thousand that died in Dachau.(25,613 people 
died in Dachau from Feb, 1940 to APR, 1945)

Don't play word games like this.  



Marc

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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
>>>It is very important.  When you remove the sign that says there were no 
>>>gassings here, you are also removing the sign of German innocence.
>>
>>You say "German", I say "Nazi", but...
>
>You are a very sick person.  How could you say such a thing.

You misunderstand me. I hold Nazis guilty for most of what happened in
Germany 1933-1945, not Germans in general. So I say "Nazis" and not
the more general term "Germans".


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From cpn@euphoria.com Mon Aug 21 18:21:06 PDT 1995
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>>>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>>>
>[ Ken McVay wrote:]
>>>>>This book says Zvi Lando pays me? That's even funnier!
>>>
>>>
>[Lemire:]
>>>>Are you saying that the book is lying?   Are you denying that you are 
>>>>not getting any sort of money from the Jerusalem One Network?
>>>
>[Myself:]
>>>What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?
>
>>It does not give the exact amount.
>
>You are evading, Lemire. 
>
>You claim the book says that Ken McVay is financed by Jerusalem One. I
>challenged you to post exactly what the book does say. You evade by
>telling us what the book does not say.
>
>_You_ made the claim. _You_ back it up. 

I did already back it up.  I gave the exact page number, book's name, ISSN 
number, ect.

I am not your personal typist.  Get off your ass and go to the library and get 
the book.



>>>Or is this another example of Lemire/Cloud-Cuckoo-Land Logic (TM)? Do
>
>>What the hell are you talking about sir?  "Lemire/cloud-cuckoo-land logic"?
>
>>Please get real.
>
>Here's real for you: You are incapable of constructing a logical
>argument. Your conclusions are based on insufficient facts. Your logic
>is faulty.
>
>Was that real enough?


You are entitled to your own opinions.  I do not find any fault in my logic, 
but I do find fault in yours.  But that is ofcourse, my opinion.


>>>you assume that, since Zvi Lando and Ken McVay are mentioned in the
>>>same paragraph, that one must be in the pocket of the other? Be real
>>>brave, Lemire -- for once. Tell us exactly what you base you
>>>allegations on.
>
>>CAN'T YOU READ.  I GAVE THE EXACT BOOK, THE EXACT PAGE NUMBER, THE ISSN 
>>NUMBER AND THE AUTHORS NAME.
>
>No, Lemire. It is not my job to prove you wrong. You made an
>assertion. Back it up or back off.

Read above about getting off your ass.


>We've seen cowards of your stripe on Usenet before. You are great at
>making wild accusations. When challenged, you cower behind the
>"You-want-me-to-do-your-homework-for-you/You-go-try-to-prove-me-wrong"
>whine.
>
>_You_ made the claim. _You_ back it up. Frankly, I think you fear
>posting the actual text of the Gale directory entry because you know
>it is insufficient to support your claim.


That is your opinion.  Based on nothing.  Since you have not read the book, 
shut up, get off your ass and get it.


>>>> [...deletia...]
>>>>Wow... You even get to give tax deductions.   Boy you really have set up 
>>quite 
>>>>a nice business.
>>>
>>>Exactly how does one make a profit from giving tax deductions, Lemire?
>
>>Get real buddy!  If you give tax deductions people will give you money just 
to 
>>take it off their taxes.   come on don't play that stupid!
>
>Irrelevant, Lemire. Answer the original question: How does Ken McVay
>make a "profit" from giving out tax deductions? How does a
>"profitable" enterprise (which is what you assert Ken is running with
>the Nizkor project) get the right to give tax deductions?

People will give more money if they know that it will be taken off their 
taxes.  As for him making profit.  I guess only him and his accountant knows. 
But I do know that if I could give tax deductions that I would be ahead.  


Marc

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>answer a direct question, does the National Alliance Polka:
>
>[The question]
>
>"What, _exactly_, does the book say? Are payments actually mentioned?"
>
>[The Polka]
>
>"It does not give the exact amount."
>
>In fairness to Mr. Lemire, who simply may suffer from poor
>reading comprehension skills, I will re-state the question in
>words he will hopefully understand:
>
>What _exactly_ does the book say?
>Are payments actually mentioned?
>
>[Ahoneatwoathree...turn on the bubble machine...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Are you some kind of child?  I posted you a message asking you to not do such 
stupid things.  I also said I would hold myself back.

BTW Mr. McVay, since you are the one who would know the best....  Do you get 
money from the Jerusalem One Network?   

You avoided directly answering before.   Just answer that question and our 
financing will be solved.  After all the book might be wrong.

once again for you.

DO YOU GET FINANCING FROM THE JERUSALEM ONE NETWORK?


It would solve our problems quite quickly.


Marc

From cpn@inforamp.net Mon Aug 21 18:21:08 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
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kmcvay@nanaimo.island.net (Ken McVay) wrote:

>In article <3vpslr$grl@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>>>In article <3vd5rl$178@inforamp.net> and others, Marc Lemire 
>>> wrote:

>>>>Here is a file I just got off Ken McVays FTP site.
>>>>Funny how McVay has to put files like this on his FTP site to harm the
>>>>credibility of Fred Leuchter.  

>>>>I guess he can't do it the right way, so he has to paint Leuchter as
>>>>some kind of Sex Pervert.

>>>>These must be considered 'facts' in McVays book.

>>>Mr. Lemire does not demonstrate that the file in question contains
>>>lies, as alleged in his Subject: line.

>>I know from very good people that Fred Leuchter is not a sex pervert
>>and that he, and his wife, do not log onto BBS's do that are of that
>>nature.  

> Mr. Lemire, I will try to use small words, so you will get
>their meaning.

>1. I have not said that Leuchter was a "sex pervert," and you cannot,
>   by any stretch of your fevered imagination, demonstrate
>   that I have.

You must be sick in the Head McVay.  In this whole article you keep
mentioning how true your file is.  So you are saying that Leuchter is
a Sex Pervert.  Come on.. get real!

>2. Mr. Leuchter and his wife _did_ use the bbs' listed, whether
>   you choose to beleive it or not. Whether they do now, I neither
>   know nor care. That they did, at the time, has been confirmed
>   by many users here, long before you shed your diapers.

My diapers... come on...  please keep your pety insults to your self.

1.  Why would Leuchter use his real name  (Something which I asked in
the original message but McVay seems to take it out in his reply)
2. The person who reported this to you must have been a sex pervert to
use the BBS's in question......  So why is his credibiblty good, but
Leuchters not. (Since the whole reason you put the file out was to
discredit Leuchter)


>>>The information was sent to me long ago, by a bbs user in Boston,

>>Gee that BBS user must be a sex pervert!  If you want to make the
>>implication that Leuchter is in some way unworthy because he is a sex
>>pervert, then so must be your source.

> Mr. Lemire, I implied _nothing_ in the file you recently
>posted. It is _you_, and _you_alone_, who have made a connection
>between sexual perversion and use of such computer systems, not I.
>Are you projecting, Mr. Lemire?

If you use BBS's that are abut bondage, sick sex etc then you are a
Sex pervert.

Where your proof McVay?  Other than 1 bbs user in Boston, where is
your proof..... Did you check into it for yourself?  Did you double
check the story? 


>>>and I posted it to the net. This led to a discussion of the
>>>appropriateness of the information, and I agreed that it had no
>>>bearing upon Mr. Leuchter's Holocaust-related or professional
>>>activities. As a result, the file was never available to the public
>>>through the mail-based listserver at oneb.almanac.bc.ca, although I
>>>neglected to delete it as I should. It simply remained in the
>>>Leuchter directory, forgotten among thousands of other files.

>>>When the oneb archives were copied to nizkor.almanac.bc.ca, the
>>>Leuchter.bbs file was copied along with the others, and thus, for
>>>the first time, became directly available to the net via ftp.

>>>Mr. Lemire's (quite incorrect) contention that the file contained
>>>lies about Mr. Leuchter brought the file once again to my attention,
>>>and I deleted it - not because it contained lies, but because it
>>>was, as I was convinced long ago, inappropriate.

>>Come on you know dalm well that it is lies. 

> Mr. Lemire, I know nothing of the sort. The information was
>absolutely correct. Several others here have told you that, and I
>have told you that. You choose not to believe it, but that does not
>make your statements any less lies. You produce no proof, only 
>blather, just as you have with the Zundel affair.


Teh Zundel affair..  I have given you all the source material I used
to derive that decision.  You are the one offering NO proof at all.
You just blanketly say how true the file is but never offer proof. I
on the other hand, quote the Toronto Sun, the FBI, Zundel and other
sources.  I think you are a little off base kenny-boy


>>I am glad to hear that you are going to take it off, but the damage
>>has already been done.  It was on your FTP site and you (if your not
>>an idiot) should have known it.  I have about 5 times as many files as
>>you do on my BBS.  I screened everyone and know what files are online.

>You have done the "damage," Mr. Lemire, not I. You, not I, republished the

NO YOU have caused the damage.  You had it on YOUR FTP site for
anybody to download.  YOU are the one, not me.

>above, how it got there, and deleted it immediately. Instead, for
>specious reasons, you elected to post the file for all to see, and
>perhaps further embarrass Mr. Leuchter. 

NO and you know dalm well.  I reposted it to show people what kind of
files are on your FTP site.  In my mind the Leuchter file is complete
bullshit and so are other files that you have.  The files you have of
me are only my Internet posts, but we are also keeping files on you
Mr. McVay.  So remember everything you say we'll hold against you...
Just like you do to us.

>>What you did was wrong.  It is that simple.  If I had files on my BBS
>>that were illegial (Due to Libel and Slander laws) and I got charged
>>for it, could I then say to the judge that I didn't know.  I don't
>>think it would wash.
>>
>>I will now look through your FTP site more carefully because since I
>>am putting your files onto my BBS.  I wouldn't want to get charged for
>>Slander or Libel.  You should watch out too.  Posting lies about
>>someone is not right, and in Canada where we both live is also
>>illegial.

>I suggest you consider your words carefully, Mr. Lemire. The file contained
>no lies. What it _did_ contain was inappropriate, but _entirely_correct_,
>information available to the general bbs public in Boston. That you
>choose not to believe the validity of that information is your problem,
>not mine. It is you who have lied, and I have absolutely no problem

OK well then WHERE'S YOUR PROOF?  If you want to call Leuchter a sex
pervert or whatever... where's your proof??????

>discussing it before a magistrate. Since we agree that posting lies
>about someone is not right, I suggest you carefully consider the nature
>of our libel laws before you continue to accuse me of being a liar.

ME... ME... accuse you of being a liar?????

Almost every word from your hole is liar.  Every chance you get you
call me a liar.  So maybe you should watch YOUR mouth.


>>.... on another topic, since I post your files for all my users why
>>don't you give me some space of your FTP site?  It seems only fair.
>>I will even go you one further.  I will put 10 times as much of your
>>material on my bbs as I will post of your FTP site.  That sounds even
>>more fair.

>I'm not remotely interested in paying for your storage, Mr. Lemire.
>I have more than enough racist claptrap on my system as it is.

RACIST?  What have I evered said that is racist?

Since your too cheap to pay, i'll send you the money to cover the
costs.  How much does it cost for 5 megs of storage on your ftp site?

I don't ask you to pay to distribute your information in the Toronto
area.  I'm a nice guy and do it for free.


>>>> > Now what is McVay trying to do with this file other that wreck Fred
>>>> > Leuchters credibility by lieing about him?

>>>Mr. Lemire has not done his homework. The information contained in
>>>the file was correct at the time it was published. There is no basis
>>>in fact, therefore, for his claim that I have lied about Mr.
>>>Leuchter. (If Mr. Lemire is so concerned about Leuchter's

>>All you are basing your statement on is 1 person's account.  Did you
>>even bother to follow up on it and investigate yourself?

>Yes, Mr. Lemire, I did. The information in that file was factually correct,
>and consisted of nothing more than publicly available information posted
>by Mr. Leuchter and his wife of their own volition.

Really..... where is your data that you collected during your
research?  Why would you not post that instead of the person's file?

COME ON PROVE IT....  That is you favorite line to me... so now it's
your turn!


>>And why on earth would Leuchter use his real name to logon to these
>>sex bbs's?  Would it not follow logic to use an Alias?

>I can only speculate that, unlike you, Mr. Leuchter does not consider
>use of such systems as admission or indication of "sexual perversion."
>Perhaps you should ask Mr. Leuchter, since I certainly can't speak 
>for him.

>From  people that have asked him to his face, he says that he NEVER
uses such systems.  So either your lieing or he is.  And I personally
would take HIS word over yours.


>>>credibility, why on earth did he publish the article before 40
>>>million people? With friends like Lemire, Mr. Leuchter needs no
>>>enemies.)

>>HAHAHAH.. Good one.

>>I posted it to expose your FTP site as having lies on it.

>And failed - there were no lies.

The whole file is a lie... come on Kenny Boy!

>>But it seems you are going to back up those lies 'eh?

>I don't have to back them up - you haven't proven they were "lies."

You  have not proven they are true.  From Leuchters own mouth.. He
does not use such BBS's.  So I guess thats proves that ARE lies!

>>Good, shows the kind of person you really are Ken?

>It matters not what you think has been demonstrated by this exchange,
>Mr. Lemire. You are a proven liar. 

I AM A PROVEN LIAR?????  What in the hell are you talking about Mr.
McVay?  Have you been smoking crack?  Everytime you posted your stupid
messages I have responded.... Not with lies but with TRUTHS.  If you
don't like truth, too bad.  But you should not continue to call me a
liar, when in fact you are the liar!

>>......  Hey arn't you a user of Sol's BBS of whips and chains?
>>(My friend in Vancouver told me you were)

>Maybe I am, Mr. Lemire. I suggest you log in and check Sol's user
>records, and report back to the net.

Gee is that an admission of guilt?  McVay is a SEX PERVERT!
Actually what I was trying to imply there is that anyone can call
anyone a pervert.  If a user in Boston tells you that Leuchter is a
sex pervert, the users may be lieing or mistaken


>>>> > Why does McVay put these lies on his FTP site?

>>>The information in the file is correct; it is equally correct that

>>Hmmmm...  So here you are saying it's fact again.  Have you ever heard
>>of the word  >>>>>TRUTH<<<<<  You should try applying it, before you
>>post bullshit about people.

>Prove it was "bullshit," Mr. Lemire. Do all the damage you can to Mr. 
>Leuchter's already tarnished reputation. 

Leuchter said HIMSELF that he was not a sex pervert.  So there's the
proof, kenny-boy


>Speaking of bullshit, Mr. Lemire, when are you going to stop posting
>factually unsupportable lies about who torched Zundel's house?

I answered you quite well 3-4 times before.. I really don't want to
waste anymore time about this with you.  If you cannot read that is
your problem.



>>>the information has no bearing upon Mr. Leuchter's activities as a
>>>Holocaust denier, and should have been removed long ago. It simply
>>>got lost in the mass of files, and forgotten.

>>I bet it did Ken....   Hey if any of you believe this I have some
>>great land for you to buy in Death Valley...  It nice all year!

>>>Mr. Lemire is lying about the content of the file, and using this

>>I AM LIEING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE FILE????

>>I reposted the WHOLE file.  How could I lie about it????

>Lie #1: You claimed that I said Mr. Leuchter was a sex pervert.
>        I did not.

YES YOU DID.  By posting such a file on your FTP site.  If not
directly said then most certainly implied.

>Lie #2: You claimed that the information contained in the file you posted
>        was not true. It was quite correct.

I have shown you that Leuchter says it is not true.  So that is enough
proof to me.  

>>Nice try ken but anyone with even half a brain can figure that one
>>out.   It actually seems like you are lying or maybe streatching the
>>truth a little 'eh?

>Lie #3: I neither lied, nor stretched the truth one iota.

You posted the Leuchter.bbs file which is a lie.  So that is a little
more than 'one iota'  

>>>lie to imply that other material in the archives also contains lies.
>>>(As noted earlier, Mr. Lemire hasn't done his homework, and he, not
>>>I, brought this inappropriate material before the public once
>>>again. I will, however, thank him for bringing the file to my
>>>attention, so it could be removed.)

>>No need to thank me Ken.  

>>........ Did you know Ken is also a member of Meir's BBS of Spikes,
>>Dildo's and Enema's?

>Produce proof, Mr. Lemire - show us Meir's user files, and provide
>the telephone numbers, so others can verify your data. 

Gee, show us your proof that leuchter is on the BBS's you say he is..
give us phone numbers, users files, etc.....  I would love to see
them!


>Perhaps you can settle this quickly, Mr. Lemire, in the interest of
>determining who is the liar, and who is telling the truth. Call
>Mr. Leuchter, and tell him about the file. Tell him I'd be more than
>happy to fly to Boston and face a libel suit. Then tell him that you
>reported the bbs file all over the internet.

OK.  I'll pass the information along. 


>>>Mr. Lemire also lies when he claims that "Jewish terrorists" or

>>HAAHAHAH.. we already went over this Ken.. Nice try though.  But since
>>Ken was a little sleepy that day we'll do it again.
>>
>>Firstly The TORONTO SUN ran the article about Zundel's house being
>>tourched by the Jewish Armed Resistance.  The way the reporter of that
>>story BILL DUNPHY came across that story was because he got a phone
>>call by a person claiming to be from the JAR.  Mr. Dunphy then traced
>>the number he got off his call display back to an offshoot of the
>>Jewish Defence League (Called a terrorist group by the FBI)   

>Mr. Dunphy did not use call display. You are lying. The caller gave him a
>number, which he then called.

I am almost certain he got it from call display.  But for the sake of
arguement, say he called the number back and continued the interview,
that is still proof that the call was from an offshoot of the Jewish
Defence League.

>Newspaper stories do not equate to legal evidence.

NO ONE SAID IT DID....  You are the only one who said it does.


>Claiming responsibility for a crime does not equate to guilt - ask
>any homocide detective.

Well this is not a Homocide case.  In such cases there is an enourmous
amount of pressure on the defendants.  After all such cases carry life
inprisonment.

But in most other cases if you do admit to a crime they will convict
you for it. 


>Mr. Dunphy did not say that this caller, or this group, _was_ responsible
>for the arson - he said the caller _claimed_ responsibility. 
>It was you, with absolutely no supporting evidence, no record of charges
>laid, no release of suspects' names by the RCMP, and no record of warrants
>having been issued, who stated that the "Jewish Armed Resistance" torched
>Zundel's home. That makes you a liar, Mr. Lemire.

Yes the caller from the Jewish Armed resistance claimed
responsibility.  So what would make me think anyother person was
responsible?

That does NOT make me a liar.  I call the shots as I see them.  


>>So come on Ken...  The evidence is quite clear.  But of course unless
>>it fit's your agenda they can't be facts....  right kenny-boy?

>You have not only produced no evidence, you have misrepresented the
>Dunphy article. THOSE are facts, Mr. Lemire.

I have not misreprented the Dunphy article.  I told it as I saw it.  

>>Let me ask you something Ken.....  If you take some person's word from
>>Boston why would you not take Toronto's second biggest newpaper's
>>word?

>The information posted by Mr. Leuchter neither indicated criminal
>activity, nor admitted perversion. No crime was committed.

Thats not what I said.  I asked why you would take a person's word
>from  boston over the Toronto Sun's

>The Zundel arson was a crime. It is being investigated, and will, hopefully,
>lead to a laying of charges and arrest of suspects. When those suspects
>appear before a magistrate, Crown Counsel will produce _evidence_, under
>rigid legal guidelines. Until _evidence_ of a crime is submitted to a jury,
>and that _evidence_ leads to a conviction, it is an act of libel to flatly
>state that a person or group was responsible.

Well then fly down here and charge me.  

And the Jewish Armed Resistance is the only group so far to claim
responsibility for the crime.  Why would I think anybody else did it?

>That is the difference, Mr. Lemire. Get used to it.

I already am...  You try getting used to the truth.

>>>members of a Jewish terrorist group were responsible for the 
>>>arson of the Zundel home. In spite of the fact that Mr. Lemire has
>>>been challenged to prove his assertion, which he cannot do, as no

>>I have answered every time you made your stupid claims...  EVERY TIME.
>>How can you even say that.  Later on in THIS MESSAGE YOU QUOTE ONE OF
>>MY RESPONSES.....  So you are 'streatching the truth again' kenny-boy.

>What jury has heard your "proof," Mr. Lemire?

What are you talking about Ken?  I was refering to you saying that I
cannot prove my assertion, but later in the message you show me
proving it.  So I simply said that you are streatching the truth.  I
am not as mean sprited as you as call you a liar every sentence.

>Why have you misrepresented Dunphy's story?

Please.  I have not.  I wrote it as I interpreted it.


>>EVERY TIME I have gave you the proof...  But you chose to deny it or
>>turn the other way....   THIS TIME PLEASE READ WHAT I SAID.  I do not
>>feel like retyping it again and again just for you.

>You have failed abysmally, Mr. Lemire, to prove anything. You have simply
>made entirely unfounded accusations without a shred of proof.

That is your opinion.  Which means absolutley nothing to me.  You are
allowed to say what ever you what.  So keep calling me a liar if you
want, but in the end you only make your self look stupid.


>>>charges have been laid in the matter of the Zundel arson, nor have
>>>any warrants been issued or suspects named by the police, Mr. Lemire

>>If the police, in this case the FBI, did have any leads do you think
>>they would tell you.....  OF COURSE NOT.  They are waiting for the
>>right time, they are collecting more and more evidence, when they get
>>enough, they will arrest the guilty parties.  As far as we know the
>>police might already have a suspect but the suspect they are looking
>>for is hiding making the arrest more difficult because they have to
>>find the person.  Come on stop acting so stupid.

>You now admit that no charges have been laid, no suspects named, no warrants
>issued; and yet YOU, Mr. Lemire, flatly assert guilt. Amazing.

I have never said before that people were charged.  What are you
trying to pull.

I simply said that the Jewish Armed Resistance is the most likley
suspect.  


>>>continues to claim that Jews were responsible. In contrast, when I
>>>was told that the file leuchter.bbs still existed on the system, I
>>>deleted it - not, as Mr. Lemire incorrectly asserts, because the
>>>information is not correct (it is), but because personal
>>>information of that nature is inappropriate.

>>Still going on about how it's true eh?

>Yet betchum, Mr. Lemire. Prove it wasn't.

Leuchter said it wasn't.  And like I said before, I will take his word
over yours..... any time!!!!!

>>.......  well I heard that Ken is on Rosenburg's house of Sexual
>>pleasure and pain.
>>(A good source in Vancouver told me)

>Post the user records and telephone number, Mr. Lemire. Produce the user
>logs.

YOU SHOW US THE LEUCHTER PHONE RECORDS.. show us the user lists etc.



>>>>Ok why don't you provide some "FACTS" along with your bogus assertion
>>>>that Fred Leuchter is a sex pervert.

>See Lie #1, above.

>>>>PS.....  Please make them real facts... Not wild accusations that seem
>>>>to never turn out to be true.

>>>1. I have not asserted that Mr. Leuchter is a sex pervert.

>>OH ya the file make Leuchter and his wife out to be real nice people.

>I drew no conclusions from the contents of the file - you did. You accused
>me, with no evidence, of stating that Leuchter is a sex pervert. I
>did not, and have not, done that. You are a liar.

>>Come on...  wake up!!!!  You posted the file on YOUR FTP site, it just
>>like saying he is a sex pervert.  You are also defending the truth of
>>the file any chance you get, so in fact YOU ARE saying that Leuchter
>>is a sex pervert.

>Your conclusions, Mr. Lemire, do not constitute facts. You, not I,
>apparently associate such information with perversion. I made no observation
>in that regard whatsoever.

If a person is on S&M type bbs's then they are a sex pervert.  And you
must know that many other people think the same way....  But thats why
you posted the file isn't it kenny?


>>Who are you trying to fool?

>One might properly ask you that question.

You didn't answer it... just deflected it.  


>>>2. I have made no "wild accusations." The material in the file
>>>   noted was factually correct.

>>Your first answer totally contradicts your second!  You first say that
>>you 'have not asserted that Mr. Leuchter is a sex pervert' now you say
>>that the material in the file is factually correct????

>Clever lad, Mr. Lemire. Both assertions are true. I can't help it if YOU
>infer something from that public data that others do not.

Lets see.... You never called Leuchter a pervert but you think that
Leuchter is on S&M BBS's... but they are not in your mind perverted.
Well that certainly shows how you think.  


>>What the hell are you trying to pull....  You are speaking from both
>>sides of yor mouth.. Pick one and stick with it Kenny-boy

>See above, Mr. Lemire. Ask an adult to explain it to you.

You seem to keep making remarks reguarding my age. 
Yes it is true folks... I am only 20 years old.  

But even at my young age I hope when I get to be old,  like McVay is,
that I am not working in a variety store with a life going NO where.
I am going to college studying medicine,  I am a medic in the Canadian
Armed Forces.... What is McVay.  An old loser on tv hacking over a
computer with a smoke hanging out of his mouth.  Real cool bud.


>>>>As for me lieing about the Jewish Armed Resistance.  Are you also
>>>>going to say that the Toronto Sun is lieing?  They are the one's who
>>>>piublished the story.

>>>You are lying, Mr. Lemire. No charges have been laid, no suspects
>>>identified, and no warrants issued.

>>HAHAHAHAH  I AM LYING????  Are you sick in the head?  

>Yes, Mr. Lemire, you are lying. The newspaper did not, in any way, shape, or
>form, that either "Jewish Terrorists" or the "Jewish Armed Resistance"
>was _guilty_ of the crime. YOU made that claim, not they.

They also DID NOT say that they were innocent.  They pointed to the
Jewish Armed Resistance since they claimed responsibility.

>>Just because no charges have been LAID YET..... That does not mean
>>that the individuals were not responsibe.  The police have to gather
>>enough evidence.  They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that
>>the group was responsible then they have to find the person who
>>actually poured the gasonline over Mr. Zundels house. That is not a
>>very easy or quick task.  It takes hundreds of police man hours.  Give
>>it time.  I have not lost faith in the police department, they will
>>come up with some arrests.

>I see. The POLICE have to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that
>the group was responsible, but YOU, Mr. Lemire, do not. Interesting that you
>thus place yourself above and beyond the law.

Really... this is not a court.  You are not a judge.  Things here are
not inadmissable because you read the story with your mind shut.

And how do you ever get that I place myself above the law....?

>>[Refering to McVays outlook on the fire.... NO CHARGES, NO CRIME]

>Sorry, Mr. Lemire, but I have not said that. What I _said_ was that
>you cannot state, flatly and in public, that a person or group
>was GUILTY of a specified crime, when you have no evidence that
>statement is correct. That's called libel, Mr. Lemire.

Really?  Then fly down here and charge me.

And I think there is evidence.  They claimed responsibility, they gave
the number, they called dunphy, etc.

>>That is a very, very ignorant way of looking at the situation, but
>>then again your a real pro at looking ignorantly at things 'eh Kenny

>You're projecting, Mr. Lemire.

YA projecting the light of truth on you.......McVay

>>>[Reporter Dunphy traces call back to Jewish Defense League]

>>>Reporters stories do not equate to laid charges, the identification
>>>of the arson suspects, or issuance of warrants for the arrest of
>>>suspects. Therefore, in asserting that the arson was caused by this
>>>apparently long-defunct group, you are lying.

>>That is 100% NOT TRUE....  Many time reporters break stories and
>>police follow it up with charges.  Do you ever actually read the
>>newspaper, or do you just look at the neat pictures?  There are
>>stories all the time about reporters breaking stories and it being
>>followed up by the proper authorities.

>Demonstrate, by posting the Toronto article, that the paper accused
>any person or group of this arson, Mr. Lemire. Put up, opr shut up.

Why don't you shut up.  OK I will look through my files to see where
the article is.  And then retype it.  But you must also have a copy of
it at your place....  Why don't you retype it...  You came after me.
I never had any contact with you until you started writing to me, so
why don't you put up and retype it.  Besides unlike you I am very busy
with school and my career.  I don't have much time to waste on idiots
like you.

>>And you should not call me a Liar(Almost every sentence you say you
>>call me liar somewhere).  I have shown the facts as they come to me.
>>Just because you may not like the facts thats too bad!

>I call you a liar because you _are_ a liar, Lemire. You have shown no facts,
>you have misrepresented a newspaper article, and accused, without
>proof, Jewish citizens of arson.

aaaaahhhhhhhh.. those poor jews..... eh ken.  I accused The Jewish
Armed resistance, I never accused a 'jewish citizen'.  So YOU MUST BE
STREATCHING THE TRUTH AGAIN.  

NAME THIS JEWISH CITIZEN(S) I ACCUSED!


>>>>What are you going to say now.  That a Zundel supporter broke in to
>>>>the Jewish Defence Leagues building and made the call?

>>>I am saying that you are lying. It is one thing to report that
>>>someone claiming to represent a group _claims_ responsibility for a
>>>crime - it is something else entirely to leap from that _claim_
>>>(similar claims often come to the attention of police in
>>>sensationalized cases) to a firm statement that the claim equals the
>>>FACT that "Jewish terrorists" or members of this Jewish group
>>>committed the crime.

>>Hey KEN ANSWER THE QUESTION I POSED...

>I am saying that I will wait until charges are laid, and suspects
>arrested and tried, before making assertions about persons or groups
>being guilty, Mr. Lemire.

>Your question is meaningless.

Meaningless?!?!?!?  So it does not matter to you if from an offshoot
of the Jewish Defence league made the call?

Boy you like to brush alot off


>>You totally avoided it while trying to show somehow that I am a liar.
>>Here is the question again incase you missed it in your fit of rage to
>>attack me and call me names.

>You are a liar, Lemire. You state flatly that "Jewish Terrorists" and
>a Jewish group (long defunct, apparently) _are_ responsible. You
>have no proof of that. 

>>----  DO YOU THINK THAT A ZUNDEL SUPPORTER BROKE IN TO THE JEWISH
>>DEFENCE LEAGUES BUILDING AND MADE THAT CALL?
>>(Even in capitals so you can't miss it)

>You have no proof that the call to Dunphy originated from a
>specific number. Neither does Mr. Dunphy, who, unlike you,
>never claimed that it did. That being the case, your question is specious.

Gee your not making sence again.  First you say I am wrong about the
call display, then you say dunphy got the number from the caller.
Don't you think Dunphy checked out the number and called to hear the
person's voice again?

>>>>You seem to look at FACTS like McVay does.  Unless they support your
>>>>arguement they are not facts.

>>>Mr. Lemire, here is a fact: You are lying about those responsible
>>>for the Zundel arson. You have no _evidence_ to support your wild
>>>and irresponsible claim. You are also lying when you say the
>>>information contained in the Leuchter file was incorrect. It was
>>>not.

>>hmmmm.....  I have shown you the FACTS and if you want to still call
>>me a liar go ahead, you just make your self look stupid, but your free
>>to do what ever you want to. 

>You have shown that you are incapable of reading newspapers with any level
>of comprehension, and that you are capable of misrepresenting the contents
>of newspaper articles. You have not provided facts.

That is once again your opinion.  I have interpreted the articles how
I see them.  If you want to continue to call me names go ahead.


>>Tell me something.  You say that I have no evidence to support my
>>'wild and irresponsibvle claim'  What is your evidence to support your
>>wild and irresponsible claim that Leuchter is a Sex Pervert.  Give us

>I have never made that claim, Mr. Lemire. Do not put words in my mouth.

Sure you didn't imply that.  come on stop acting like a loser


>>this person's name so we can investigate futher.  I gave you all the
>>sources I had about the Zundel affair.  I gave you Toronto Sun
>>articles, etc.  But you base your whole arguement on what someone send
>>you about Leuchter.  Now whose arguement seems more better?
>>
>>Mine with articles from reputable newspapers and other eyewitness
>>testomony or yours from someperson who told you this (That you
>>apperantly didn't even verify yourself)?

>You have misrepresented the contents of that article, and you have made a
>flat claim that Jews were responsible. While the criminals may well have
>been Jewish, they might equally have been Roman Catholics - we cannot
>know. You ignore reality and continue to make a false claim.

It is most probible that they are Jewish.  And I never made a blanket
remark about the whole Jewish community, only about the group that
claimed responsibility namely the Jewish Armed Resistance.


>>>Lemire replies to wolfshook3@aol.com (WolfsHook3), who wrote:

>>>>>Not to say you're wrong about the guilty parties, but what do you say
>>>>>about the FACT that two of the most widely known JEWISH leaders of
>>>>>(American and Canadian branches) a terrorist organization (FBI
>>>>>classification) just happened to be there in the same time period trying
>>>>>to break in after the fire?

>>>What has the _alleged_ scene got to do with the arson? Were these
>>>leaders charged with arson? With trespass? With attempted burglary?

>>WHAT HAS THE ALLEGED SCENE GOT TO DO WITH THE ARSON????

>Good - you do have some ability to comprehend written text.

PLease shut up Ken.  Stop putting stupid remarks in like this.  I will
contain myself from doing things like that.  You as a older person...
what almost 50 by the looks of you on TV, should act more mature


>>I can't believe you just said that....  

>>That scene has a lot to do with the situation and how it unfolded.  Do
>>you think that maybe Irv runbin was just out for a walk and happened
>>to walk ALL THE WAY FROM NEW YORK TO TORONTO and for company had the
>>Canadian leader of the Jewish Defence League with him...... And while
>>they were walking they came up to a big wodden barrier and
>>decided.....  Hey lets take a look...  so they tried to hop over a
>>8-10 foot barrier?  I DON'T THINK SO!!!

>What you THINK (if that is the word for it) carries no weight whatsoever,

What you think does not either.  If it really carried no weight why on
earth are you argueing with me?  If I am just am idiot why waste your
time? 

>Mr. Lemire, when it comes to flatly stating that they, or anyone else,
>are guilty of a crime. We have laws governing how such things must be
>determined, Mr. Lemire. I suggest you educate yourself.

Well the Jewish Armed resistance claimed responsibility for it.. so
why would I not think that they did it, you have still not proven to
me a good reason why.

>>Why are you trying so hard to prove (unsucessfully) that the Jewish
>>community had nothing to do with the arson.

>Where have I made that statement, Mr. Lemire? What I _have_ said is that you
>cannot flatly state that ANYONE was guilty of the arson until someone has
>been arrested, tried, and CONVICTED, Mr. Lemire. (Is that too subtle for
>you?)

I stated that the Jewish Armed Resistance was responsible, because
THEY claimed responsibility.  Why is that so wrong. 


>>In my eyes even if they did not pour the gas or light the match they
>>are still as guilty due to all the years they have vilified Mr.
>>Zundel.  Have you ever read the Canadian Jewish News?  Almost EVERY
>>WEEK they have a story on him.  Either it's about what a mean and evil
>>Nazi he is or it's about sticking him in jail and throwing away the
>>key. They have not left him alone for over 20 years.   Everynight I
>>wonder if I will wake up and turn on the TV and find out that Zundel's
>>place is destroyed due to fire, bombs, or that Zundel was shot in the
>>back by a terrorist cell.   The jewish community has to hold a burden
>>for this terror campain against him since they did so much to fuel the
>>fire's of hate against him.

>See above, Mr. Lemire. You have flatly accused a specifc group, Jews,
>of being guilty of a serious crime. That is not supported by evidence.
>If and when a Jew is convicted, THEN you can flatly state that he was
>guilty. Until then, such assertions are bullsh*t.

I said they should hold part of the burden for the terror campain they
have help against Zundel.  And it is true,  They have nothing but bad
mouthed him for years.



>>>> Mcvay says it is irrelevant....

>>>It is entirely irrelevant to the matter of the arson.

>>Only in your closed mind Kenny-boy

>And, of course, to any judge in Canada.

I think not.  But the only way to prove who's right is when (If it
does in Canada) come to trial

>>>> Funny how he likes to brush off evidence like that.

>>>What evidence?

>>OH PLEASE.. you know dalm well what we were talking about.  The
>>leaders of the American and Canadian Jewish Defence League being at
>>Zundel's house.  Come on don't play stupid....   (If that's what your
>>doing???)

>I see - Jews were at Zundel's house, therefore they are guilty of arson.
>Brilliant, Mr. Mason, absolutely brilliant. You would have made a great
>prosecutor in Stalin's Russia, or Hitler's Germany - standards of evidence
>mean nothing to you.

I never stated it was all jews like your implying.  I also never
stated that Irv or Meir were guilty of Arson.  So i guess your
'projectiong Mr. McVay'


>>Your humble truth seeker.....

>To quote Col. Potter, "Horsepucky!"

Gee I bet you stayed up all night to think up that one.




Marc Lemire

*t.

I said they should hold part of the burden for the terror campain they
have help against Zundel.  And it is true,  They have nothing but bad
mouthed him for years.



>>>> Mcvay says it is irrelevant....

>>>It is entirely irrelevant to the matter of the arson.

>>Only in your closed mind Kenny-boy

>And, of course, to any judge in Canada.

I think not.  But the only way to prove who's right is when (If it
does in Canada) come to trial

>>>> Funny how he likes to brush off evidence like that.

>>>What evidence?

>>OH PLEASE.. you know dalm well what we were talking about.  The
>>leaders of the American and Canadian Jewish Defence League being at
>>Zundel's house.  Come on don't play stupid....   (If that's what your
>>doing???)

>I see - Jews were at Zundel's house, therefore they are guilty of arson.
>Brilliant, Mr. Mason, absolutely brilliant. You would have made a great
>prosecutor in Stalin's Russia, or Hitler's Germany - standards of evidence
>mean nothing to you.

I never stated it was all jews like your implying.  I also never
stated that Irv or Meir were guilty of Arson.  So i guess your
'projectiong Mr. McVay'


>>Your humble truth seeker.....

>To quote Col. Potter, "Horsepucky!"

Gee I bet you stayed up all night to think up that one.




Marc Lemire


*exactly* what was needed in Somalia. 
>
  The Locals (Somolians) would try to break into the Canadians Camp 24 hours a 
day.  They would run through and grab anything they could get their hands on 
and run back out.  Being in the Armed Forces, I know that when you lose you 
Kit (equipment) you are in alot of shit.  So the soldiers would chase the 
Somolians back out.  There was only 1 instance when the CF personelle got out 
of hand and beat a poor person.  But compare that to the others Armies that 
were there.  From people I have spoken to who were in Sololia, this kind of 
thing was quite frequent.  The soldiers did it as an example to the other 
Somolians,   If they see that they will get beat up by stealing, maybe they 
would stop.  See to the Somolians, violence was the only thing they 
understood.  So these type of rash measures  (rash to Canadian standards) were 
appeptable over there.

In Somolia it was who ever had the power.  And when an Army goes anywhere they 
are the ones who want to have the power.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>> Now we will leave it up to the police and the FBI to figure 
>> out who did it and charge the individual(s) who did it.
>> 
>
>Uhh, this is not the United States. This is Canada. The FBI has no
>legitimate involvement in a Canadian investigation.

The Toronto Police have asked for the FBI to investigate in the United States.

Since that is where the Jewish Armed Resistance is located.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <41973r$11t@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>

>>BTW Mr. McVay, since you are the one who would know the best....  Do you get 
>>money from the Jerusalem One Network?   
>
>Having already answered that question, I will answer it again, so even Mr.
>Lemire can comprehend the answer. No.
>
>>You avoided directly answering before.   Just answer that question and our 
>>financing will be solved.  After all the book might be wrong.
>
>More lies from Mr. Lemire. I answer the question, in the negative, long ago.
>Because the answer is negative, I do not believe any book says what Mr.
>Lemire claims it says - given his track record, that should be easy to
>understand.
>
>>DO YOU GET FINANCING FROM THE JERUSALEM ONE NETWORK?
>
>Never have, never will.
>
>>It would solve our problems quite quickly.
>

Actually no never did answer the question, Unless I missed that message.  What 
you did say before was that you thought that was funny.  That is not directly 
sayign that you do not recieve money from the Jerusalem One Network.


Since you say that you do not recieve money from them.  Fine.  Maybe the book 
was mistaken.  No big deal.  I really do not care where you get money from.  
You have admitted before that you are recieving money to run your Nitzkor 
project.   So basically this is like a job to you (Since you get money for it) 
and the Internet is like fun for me (since I do not get money for it)


Marc




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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <416gre$mtl@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> >In article <40sm42$kil@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  
wrote:
>> 
>> >Uhuh... Keep singing it.  So you believe the Holocaust DID happen?  
>> >Don't you think it was a tradegy?
>>  
>> Yes of course it was a tradegy.   50 million + people lost their lives.  A 
>> large majority of them White.  Who could ever say that the second world war 
>> was a good thing?   
>> 
>> I believe that there is quite alot of lies and falsehoods surrounding the 
>> Holocaust.  Take Dachau for example.  The lies and hog-wash surrounding 
that 
>> camp sickens me.
>

>I believe the question was: "So you believe the Holocaust DID happen?" 

Actually I was answering the question "don't you think it was a tradegy"   
Stop trying to be a smart ass!


>Your evasivness seemed to imply that you do not believe the Holocaust
>happened. Will you unequivocably answer the question? Yes or no, do you
>believe the Holocuast happened? That six million or so Jews were brutally
>murdered by the Nazis? 

Why do you care what I think about the holocaust?  I really do not know for 
certain if it did or didn't happen.  I would like to see a big debate between 
people like Zundel and people who claim it did happen.  That might settle the 
arguement quite easily.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <416gkq$mtl@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>> For the 1st point, I am not and have never claimed to be a Revisionist.  So 
>> your are mistaken on that point.
>
>My mistake then. I assumed if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and
>quacks like a duck... 
>
>But then if you don't claim to be a Revisionist then what exactly _do_ you
>claim to be? A Holocuast denier? A White Supremicist? Or a simple Jew
>basher? From the little nuggets of excrement you sprinkle about one could
>get such an impression. 

I am Marc Lemire.  You people are the ones who are trying to put a label to 
me.  I already told you that I am not a Revisionist, I am not a White 
supremicist and I am not a Jew basher.  I also do not totally deny the 
Holocaust.


>> On the second point, I must disagree with you.  The revisionists have put 
up 
>> quite a solid wall for quite along time. Due to the nature of a revisionist 
>> "revising history" they are constantly revising there beliefs on things
>due to 
>> the new evidence coming to the fore, every year.
>
>Let's not try and confuse legitimate historical revisionism, which is done
>by academically qualified scholars, using verifiable historical archives
>and the like under academic peer review, with "revisionists" who are
>nothing more than crackpots and cranks with an agenda. Agendas, for
>instance, like denying that the Holocaust ever happened (and was the Jews'
>fault anyways) and that Hitler was a swell guy. 

Revisionist such as Ernst Zundel, Mark Weber, Robert Faurison and others have 
brought some very good evidence to the fore.  And they should not be swept 
under the table.   


>> My point exactly.   Mcvay can yak as long as he wants to.  
>
>::: sound of aircraft flying 30,000 ft. over Lemire's head:::
>
>One wonders if you actually _practice_ to be this obtuse or does it come
>naturally? 
>
>
>> You have to resort to name calling.  ..... wah, wah!
>
>Why not? You seem immune to facts and Reason. You insist on your
>compulsive/obssesive repitition of your blatantly false accusations. Put
>simply, there has been no evidence of intellectual honesty in your posts
>whatsoever. (Not to mention no evidence of intellect whatsoever.) When it
>becomes obvious that one is not interested in discussion or debate but
>simply to spew lies and hate there is no longer a reason to hold that
>person in a position of respect or to take what they say seriously. At
>such a point one might as well call it like it is, hence the "resort" to
>"name calling." Or more accurately, the proper labeling of such assholes
>for what they really are. Why should _you_ be any exception?

I do not lie in my posts.  I put the truth foward as I see it.  You can have 
what ver opinion you want to.  Hell I really do not care what you think of me.


>BTW, don't you think your sig is a bit much? I mean, you don't _actually_
>think anybody ever reads such graffiti do you? 

It seems that alot of people have been reading my "graffiti".  The "hits" to 
the WWW sites listed has increased by a quite large margin.  


Marc


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>> >In article <4121e9$9jv@inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) 
wrote:
>> 
>> The dogs are still Innocent.  They were in cages when the Americans came 
into 
>
>Improper capitalization.
>> 
>> 
>> OH and by the way, just because I was talking about dogs in the following 
>
>Oh. Previous paragraph, not following


Instead of writing 1000's of messages about my spelling why don't you remark 
on what i am actually saying?

Mind you it is nice that you are willing to check my spelling.


Marc


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>> >cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>> >
>> >>You are the one who made the statement that I am a nazi.  So YOU are the 
one 
>> >>who knows about Ignorant statements.
>> >
>> >Well, what's your opinion of Nazis and neo-Nazis? You don't have to
>> >be a card carrying member of the party to be one. I'm a "liberal"
>> >but I'm not a member of any liberal party.
>> 
>> 
>> Well a Nazi is a member of the NSDAP.  Or in english the Nazi party which 
fell 
>> apart in 1945.  A Neo-Nazi is a buzzword of the 1990's.  There is not 
really 1 
>> definition of it. Nowadays Neo-Nazi means racist, hatemonger, anti-semite, 
>> white supremisist all wraped up into one.
>> 
>> Since I an none of the above I therefore cannot be a Nazi or a Neo-Nazi.
>> 
>
>Actually, you totally missed my point. What is your opinion of the policies
>of Nazis, Hitler, Jews, non-"white" races, and the policies of the
>majority of neo-Nazi groups and, oh, the KKK for good measure?


Well lets talk about specific policies.  I do not know the policies of the 
Nazi's and all the KKK and White-power groups in the world.

Get or make up one policy and i'll give you my opinion on it.



Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>:
>: I am not a Nazi apologist.  Where is the proof to this bullshit!
>:
>
>         No Mr. Lemire you never apologize for these
>         twisted fellow's activities. You are completely
>         with them as a minor nazi propagandist. How do
>         such shameful activities bring you any pride?
>
>         Bob Allisat


I am a minor nazi propagandist?  

What the hell are you talking about? 



Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: *** MAKE SOME EXTRA CASH ***.... mcvay???
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>Earn some extra at home processing mail.
>
>Do it while watching TV.
>
>For an information packet please send $2.00 and a SASE to:
>
>Matt Eau Claire
>Attn: Accounting Dept.
>2000 Mosher St. Suite D
>Bay City, MI 48706-3518


Hey McVay I hope your writing to this person ISP and complaining that he is 
advertising in Usenet.  

Or are you just a hypocrite, McVay?


Marc




From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 25 23:11:45 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>: >> But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>
>McVay's. Possessive.
>
>: It seem you came a bit late.  I wrote the original part about McVay 
>because he 
>: was remarking on my age and saying I wear Diapers.  
>
>Improper capitalization.


I guess you have nothing better to do 'eh?


I would like to thank you for correcting my spelling though.


Marc


From cpn@euphoria.com Fri Aug 25 23:11:46 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber
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>>  > The question is: "Is there a gas chamber in Dachau?"  Yes or no?
>
>To which we receive the following waffle:
>  
>>  And I have given you my truthful, honest answer: I have seen photographs 
of
>>  a delousing chamber and of a shower bath which were captioned gas 
chambers.
>>  I have not seen a real gas chamber in Dachau and do not believe that there 
was
>>  one. (etc)
>
>Mr. Baron claims that he has not seen the gas chamber in Dachau.  Persons who 
are considerably 
>more distinguished  and credible than Mr. Baron have seen it. 
>
>Who is to be believed?


There was a shower room, that the allies said was a gas chamber in Dachau.  
But the room WAS NEVER USED TO KILL PEOPLE.  

I say again:  NO ONE WAS EVER GASSED IN DACHAU.



Marc


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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote in alt.revisionism:
>
>
>>Well right after the Americans killing rampage through Dachau, Gen. Patton 
>>gathered all the pictures and video proof that their was.  then put it in 
his 
>>wastepaper basket and burned it.
>
>>Would you call that a conspiracy from higher up or what?
>

>Interesting that Patton destroyed video in 1945, did he get it through
>his time machine or from Zundels UFO ?



Typical.  You have absolutley NO arguement, so you write this non-sence.



Get a life!


Marc


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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>
>[to Ken McVay]q
>
>: You have admitted before that you are recieving money to run your Nitzkor 
>: project.   So basically this is like a job to you (Since you get money for 
it) 
>: and the Internet is like fun for me (since I do not get money for it)
>
>Yo, Goose-Step-Boy, has it ever occurred to you that maybe not too many 
>people consider what you do _valuable_, and that maybe a good deal more 
>_do_ consider Ken's work _valuable_, and that _this_ may be the reason 
>you pollute the Internet for "fun"?

Your childness came out in you first sentence.  


And it is your opinion that what I do and write on the Internet is 'polluting' 
it.   I personally feel that I in no way pollute the Internet but in fact 
idiots like yourself do.

By writing such non-sence and calling me names you are in no way detering me 
>from  doing anything.

I will continue to use the Internet to network with likeminded people all 
across the world.  I will also continue to use the Internet to spread the word 
about my BBS and my Internet mailing service.


Like a wise man said once.
DEFEAT NEVER.... VICTORY FOREVER.


Marc


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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>Read the Wichita Eagle April the 1st, 1980.
>
>>IN an article on Dr. Charles Larson (He did autopsies for the US war crimes 
>>investigation team in 1945, Mr Larson is also [from the front cover of his 
>>book] the "World's foremost Medical-Detective")
>
>>Mr. Larson found that QUOTE "his autopsy finding conflicted with the widley 
>>held belief that most Jews in Nazi camps were exterminated by gassing, 
>>shooting or poisonings."  Mr. Larson also goes on to say QUOTE "What we've 
>>heard is that 6 million Jews were exterminated.  Part of that is a hoax"
>
>>From Mr. Larsons visits to over 20 camps he never FOUND 1 CASE OF POISONING.
>
>>Mr. Larson also states that many Jews did die in camps but QUOTE" most died 
as 
>>a result of the conditions to which they were subjected to, rather than mass 
>>exterminations"
>
>You got this from Theodore O'Keefe's IHR pamphlet, didn't you? Read a
>real book, Lemire.


Well read what I said.  I told you exactly where I got the information from.  
Not from an IHR pamphlet, but from an article from the Wichita Eagle Paper.  



>I can't find anything in our university library on Larson, but I would
>like to look into this some more.
>
>I will note for the time being that Larson is said to have done 100
>autopsies in 20 camps. That's 5 per camp on average. Since he did *no*

He did 100 autopsies A DAY.  And also superficially examined about 300 corpses 
a day.


>autopsies in the extermination camps in Poland, and since there was
>comparatively little gassing within Germany proper, it may not be at
>all surprising that among thousands of bodies at each camp he didn't
>find any that had been murdered by poison gas. Given the efforts to
>destroy the evidence at Auschwitz, it may also be the case that the SS
>destroyed all of the gassed bodies as the allies approached.

I believe that Larson DID examine bodies inside Poland.  I will have to read 
the book again and find that one out for ya.


>Looks a little different from this perspective doesn't it. But I will
>comment further on this if I can find out anything at all about
>Larson.


OK good luck. But since what he wrote does not fit into Hollywoods version of 
it, you might have some problems finding it.
Good luck anyways



Marc




*exactly* what was needed in Somalia. 
>> >
>> The Locals (Somolians) would try to break into the Canadians Camp 24 hours 
a 
>> day. They would run through and grab anything they could get their hands on 
>> and run back out. Being in the Armed Forces, I know that when you lose you 
>> Kit (equipment) you are in alot of shit.
>
>Hmmm...whenever I lost kit, I just filled out a lost kit report...sure
>the log weasels would be annoyed. It really depends on the kit you
>lose...if someone takes off with your C7, well you can kiss your free
>time bye bye, because you are going to visit Club Ed (the military
>prison at Edmonton)...but someone takes a jerrycan...fill out the
>forms as best you can and go on with your job.


You must be from quite a Lax unit(something for which the Airborne was never 
accused of)  In my company if you lost Kit you are up shits creek.  Not only 
would you have to pay for your Kit you would also be punished in some way.
If you lost say your cap badge, you would not only have to buy a new one you 
would also have to do extra duties for 2 weeks.  Those extra duties usually 
included double night watch, garbage duty, fire watch, and any other shit work 
that your unit comes across.


>>  So the soldiers would chase the Somolians back out. There was only
>> 1 instance when the CF personelle got out of hand and beat a poor
>> person.
>
>One instance where an individual, (Shidane Arone) was beaten to
>death...another instance where the sentries capped a couple of
>intruders.


I have not heard of this other instance where the Sentries killed some 
Somolies.  Could you enlighten me.


Oh by the way.  If you look at the French Foreign Legion, they killed from my 
personal knowledge over 6 people.  Including 3 in a truck full of explosives, 
where they just opened fire because the truck was coming in their direction.


>> But compare that to the others Armies that were there.
>> From people I have spoken to who were in Sololia, this kind of 
>> thing was quite frequent.  The soldiers did it as an example to the other 
>> Somolians, If they see that they will get beat up by stealing, maybe they 
>> would stop. See to the Somolians, violence was the only thing they 
>> understood. So these type of rash measures  (rash to Canadian
>> standards) were appeptable over there.
>
>
>The Canadian soldiers in Somalia are to be held to Canadian
>Standards. The beating of an intruder is unacceptable, prisoners taken
>by the Canadian Forces, be they military personnel or civilian, are to
>be accorded the protection of the Geneva protocols, as Canada and
>Somalia are both signatories. Somalis understand more than just
>violence...the humanitarian assistance provided by the Airborne was
>very instrumental in pacifying the region. The Aussie contingent
>commander summed it up best when he said that actions in Somalia had
>to be "Firm, fair and friendly"...this does not include inflicting a
>beating just to teach a lesson to others....the Aussies were quite
>successful in their performance of duties.


I must disagree.  I do not think that Somolia is or was a signatory to the 
Geneva convention.  But I do not know for sure.

I feel the Canadians were also effective.  We afterall started the idea of 
peacekeeping, and we do still do it the best.  I am not sure on the Aussies 
record, but I will look into it.


Marc


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>From: Alexander Baron 
>>> : But the whole point I am trying to make is that THEY DID NOT GAS ANYONE 
IN 
>>> : DACHAU.
>>> 
>>> Yes they did.  Ask a survivor.
>>
>>Better still, find an autopsy report. There is none for the obvious reason.
>
>Mr Baron, are you aware of any autopsy reports for any of the dead at
>Dachau? Even indicating natural causes?

I know of one book by the leading patholigist Dr. Charles P. Larson.  He wrote 
a book called Crime Doctor.  In it he states that no a single person dies from 
poinsons.  He also stated that many of the people he examined (100+ complete 
autopsies and 300+ superficial A DAY) died from Typhus and natural causes.


So as I stated earlier.  NO ONE WAS EVER GASSING IN DACHAU.


Marc


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>I>The soldiers did it as an example to the other 
>> Somolians,   If they see that they will get beat up by stealing, maybe they 
>> would stop.  See to the Somolians, violence was the only thing they 
>> understood.  So these type of rash measures  (rash to Canadian
>standards) were 
>> appeptable over there.
>
>Boy Lemire, I hope to god that you never go on a PEACEKEEPING mission for
>the UN. And by the way, a Somolian is slang for a dollar. A Somali is what
>those few peacekeepers SAVAGELY BEAT TO DEATH.

In what country is Somolian slang for a dollar?  I have never heard of such a 
slang word before.

I did not say what the Peacekeepers did was right, I was mearly trying to 
explain it from their mindset.


>The PEACEKEEPERS were a concept started by a Canadian, Lester Pearson (who
>won a Nobel Peace Prize) to promote peace. The Canadian soldiers who are
>members of the Peacekeeping forces are supposed to be symbols of CANADIAN
>'standards' and values. Beating one person TO DEATH, to teach the rest a
>'lesson' is reprehensible. That you seem to condone it is also vile. A
>PEACEKEEPER is supposed to use violence only for DEFENCE, not to SAVAGELY
>BEAT AN UNARMED BOY TO DEATH. A boy who is stealing not for fun, but
>because he has to to SURVIVE. TO LIVE.

I am in NO way condoning it.  I never said it was right that the Peacekeepers 
did it.  I was mearly trying to explain it from their mindset.


Don't mix my words up, Ghandi.



Marc


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>>In article <809029532snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk 
wrote:
>>
>>> Forensic science could prove such a thing even then; the reason there is 
no
>>> such autopsy report proving people were gassed is obvious.
>>
>>It certainly is. Why would the Nazis bother with AUTOPSIES, when their
>>concern was killing?
>> 
>>You stick someone in a gas chamber. They die. Why would an autopsy be 
needed?
>
>Oh Al's been watching too much of the OJ trial and figures people will
>respond to this sort of thing. Next he'll probably be demanding DNA
>evidence, it's very chic right now you know.
>
>It's claimed 357,000 citizens of the United Kingdom died in battle in
>WWII (source: Information Please Almanac), can Mr Baron produce their
>autopsies? Or might it be safe to assume they all just took a fateful
>dive off of Dover's cliffs one day and this official claim is just a
>cover-up because the British find such mass suicides terribly
>embarrassing?


I do not think that Mr. Baron was asking for every person's autopsy.  I think 
he was refering to Forensic proof which prooves that NO person was gassed in 
Dachau.


Marc


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>schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
>
>> Notice how Marc's spelling is getting better though?
>
>It's taking long enough though. You suppose he peeks at a dictionary once
>in a (great) while?



In short you people really have nothing to say.... right?


Marc


From cpn@euphoria.com Sat Aug 26 08:43:26 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>(Ken McVay ) wrote:
>
>> In article <40v6ku$ss0@inforamp.net>, Marc Lemire  wrote:
>> 
>> >Well when I am 40 or 50 I certainly hope that I DO NOT work in a gas 
station.
>> >But in McVays defence, it means nothing to his credibiliity.
>> 
>> I hope you don't, too, Mr. Lemire. Frankly, I doubt you have
>> the ability to supervise ten employees and a 4.5 million
>> dollar annual budget.
>
>He's having a hard enough time "supervising" his grammer (even _with_
>Sara's prodding), so let's not give him any new ideas for the moment....


Again Mark you have really nothing to say right?




From cpn@euphoria.com Sat Aug 26 08:43:29 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>> Shows you ignorance.  McVay did NOT answer the question last time.  He 
mearly 
>> say it was funny.  That is not saying that he did not recieve money from 
them.
>> 
>
>Apparently you do not know how to read.

Then quote me the exact text where McVay denies that he gets money from the 
Jer1 network.   

Stop acting like a fucking baby saying I do not know how to read.  I quoted 
the part where he said it was "funny"  But he did NOT deny he got money from 
them.


>
>> He has however said that he does not recieve money from them, but he does 
>> recieve money from other people to do his Nizkor work.
>
>Once again, what difference does it make? 


A big difference.  He gets paid for what he does, while we don't.  



>> >Why doesn't Mr. Lemire post the exact title, date, publisher, location, 
page 
>> >reference and then quote the passage?  Chickenshit, perhaps?
>> 
>> Now this shows for sure you are stupid.  I posted the exact title, date, 
>> publisher, page reference.  
>> 
>
>You did that, but then refused to undertake the 'monumentous' "all day"
>task of flipping to that page and typing in the three or four lines to
>suport your claim. You have a real problem with backing up what you say,
>don't you?

Nope, I backed it up, Ghandi.

Just like I back up mostly everything I write.   

Try reading my writting on Dachau.  I always quote my source there.  In these 
useless conversations with you I don't, since I don't get paid to do this like 
McVay does, I have a job and go to school at the same time, thats why I don't 
have the time to run around for you.

 
>> Your a genious Gordo.
>
>This from a man who reasons with all the logic of a dung beetle, and from
>a man who apparently does not know what a dictionary is for.

Will you please grow up and stop acting like some 2 year old baby throwing 
personal insults at me.

It's no wonder you are McVay are friends.


Marc





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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>> Because Mr. McVay said comments about my person.  IE he stated that I wear 
>> diapers.
>> 
>
>He implied that you were being childish and then you make cracks about his
>profession ? At least you didn't prove his point (he says with a heavy
>touch of sarcasm.)


Actauly another LIE by Ghandi.

I was the one who called McVay childish.  


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <41gjl9$aeq@mail.inforamp.net> cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) 
writes:
>
>
>
>>                     Canada's premier Free Speech board
>>                      Specializing in Controversy!!!!
>
>>                          NOW WITH OVER 600 USERS!
>>              AND DAILY NEWS FEED FROM THE ARYAN NEWS SERVICE
>
>Let me guess:  your total background in the promotion of "free speech" 
>consists of support for nazis, revisionazis, white supremacists, and that 
sort 
>of scum, right?

Mr. Rosenburg.  The Idea of free speech means that minority opinions such as 
the ones help by Nazi's, Revisionists and White supremicists are protected.  
So yes my idea of free speech also includes letting those type of people on my 
BBS.  But I try to even it out my putting Mr McVays files on my BBS, something 
which that Hypocrite will not do for me in return.

I also allow ANY person on my BBS, requardless of political belief.

I have over 650 users right now and only a small part of those 650 users fall 
into the catagory of "right-wingers"


You should check it out before talking about it.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, Marc Lemire wrote:
>> >Or that they claim that the power structure is run by ZOG but never
>> Typical....
>> You claim that Revisionists say one thing then another quote about "ZOG".  
>> Please TELL ME WHICH REVISIONIST SAID THIS?
>
>Lemire continually wants to make distinctions between Revisioninsts and 
>neo-nazis but in his signature promotes bbs including both.

I just wanted the source on who said this.  I never said any of the rest of 
what you are saying.  I have never said that revisionist are not Neo-Nazi's.


>There is very little to seperate Revisionists from neo-nazis.
>
>Do you not believe there is a force 'ZOG?'

NO i don't.  And never have


Marc

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>this guy needs to have a lobatomy.  First have some research material to
>sight before you go around making a complete fool of yourself, then at
>least you have someone to quote as being just as big of an idiot as you are. 


Boy what an intelligent thing to say.   Why would you say anybody needs a 
"lobatomy"?

It's just idiotic non-sence.


Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Please note Mr. Lemire's
>claims, and see if you can confirm them within this article,
>which he cited:
>
>1. That the Sun claims the JAR "lit on fire" Zundel's home,

>   A shadowy offshoot of the Jewish Defence League has claimed
>responsibility for Sunday's arson attack on the home of neo-Nazi publisher
>Ernst Zundel.
>   A man claiming to be with the "Jewish Armed Resistance Movement" contacted
>The Sun yesterday to say his group was responsible for the attack which 
caused
>extensive damage to Zundel's fortified Carlton St. home and left three 
tenants
>from the adjoining building homeless.


Hmmmm..  Gee I guess I am way off eh Kenny-Boy???


>2. That the article said the caller was traced through
>   caller-id:

I said that I heard that.  Just because it was not printed in the article does 
not mean it did not happen.

But like I said I heard that, that does not mean that it is 100% true either.



Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Since I noticed no reply to my earlier message, I am repeating it:

Thank you I mnust have missed it trying to answer all the other 30 mesages I 
get in Usenet a day :(


>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>
>>Well the FBI also markes claimed terrorists acts such as this one as an act 
by 
>>the group.  
>
>>Go down to the library and pick up the FBI's analysis of terrorist incidents 
>>in the United States.  I have the 1981,1982 and 1983 versions.
>
>FBI crime analyses are not available at every library. They do, however, 
>tend to be available at the Department of Justice library, to which I 
>have access. Please provide precise cites for your allegations (actual 
>titles, page numbers, quotes). If, as you state, you "have" these 
>"versions", this shouldn't be a big problem. I will be happy to publicly 
>verify your allegations if they are indeed documented as described.

Thank you that is quite kind of you.

I'll cite a quite good example here for you to go down and also check out.

Page 23 of the FBI's "Analysis of claimed terrorist incidents in the US, 1981"

Jewish Defence League
"On September 3, 1981, two soda bottles, filled with flammable liquid and 
attached to M-80 firecrackers, were found under cars parked near the Soviet 
Mission to the United Nations.  One car belonged to the Soviet Mission to the 
Romanian Mission.  Neither device detonated.  Credit for this action was 
claimed by the "JDL" by an unidentified male caller to the "New York post" 
newpaper."

The FBI marked it down as a JDL terrorist attack.


I look foward to hearing from you on this.


Marc


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>In article <41gedv$aeq@mail.inforamp.net>,
>Marc Lemire  wrote:
>>>He gets in the paper once a month by pulling crazy stunts like mailing
>>>himself a pipe bomb, or by burning down his house (which never happened)
>>>and blaming jews.
>>
>>He is in the paper almost weekly.  Why would you lose over $200,000 dollars 
>>just to get in the paper a few times?  That does not make any sense.
>
>Not this week, not last week, not the week before... I predict another 
>"accident" or "terrorist act" will fall upon this poor soul.  And I 
>think we all know who the mastermind will be...the Zionist organization 
>of Zundel's own creation.  $200,000 indeed, like I said, I have a theory 
>(and that's all it is, I'll admit) that every time he's been 'bombed' or 
>'burned out',  all his shit's conveniently been in storage...


Don't erase my fucking answer then type in this drivil.  I cited for you 
examples of when he was in the Media latley.  Namely on German TV about 2 
weeks ago and he was in the New York Times for his WWW site.

I have seen many, MANY pictures of his burned books, and the damage to his 
house.  I can certainly say from ym own eyes, that nothing was put in storage 
before the fire.


>>>You get sympathy from nazi apologists by burning your son's house down and
>>>then blaming in on jews. What a stupid thing to deny!
>>He was dragged through Canadian courts for 10 years.  That is why people 
give 
>>him a bit of sympathy.  
>
>Dragged?  He fucking jogged through court!  He was loving it the whole 
>time...he got so much sympathy from that little court fiasco.  Win or 
>lose in court, as long as Herr Zundel gets exposure, he wins.


I don't think anyone "loves" going to court all the time.  Do you have any 
idea how much lawyers cost?  If you did, you would know that no one in their 
right mind wants to have to pay them for months at a time.   You also have to 
remember that it wasn't Zundel who wanted to go to court.  It was at first 
Sibina Citron then it was the Solicitor General.  Never was it Zundel's wish 
to go to court.  He was charged and rightly he defended himself against the 
charges and won.  Not once did he win but many many times.


>>And when has Mr. Zundel ever blamed it on "jews"?????
>
>Has he had to?  No.  Automatons like you, Marc, are always qucik to 
>blame the Jews for him.  


Well thats is not what you said originally.  You said that Zundel stated that 
he blamed the Jews for the inncident.   

I must also say that I am not an "Automatons" for Mr. Zundel.


Marc


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>>>>>>>In article <40mtbr$9up@ionews.io.org>, lzaird@io.org says...
>>>Yeah, haven't seen him in the papers lately.  He's old news, and he was 
>>>old news before his house was torched.  Suddenly he had what he wanted 
>>>again, the eye of Toronto.  It's faded again now, what'll his next trick 
>>>be?  
>>
>>Funny, but he was on Spegial TV last week.  Spegial(sp?) is the largest 
>>magazine in Germany and it TV wing reaches million of people.  
>>He was also in the New York times a little while ago, because of his WWW 
site. 
>
>So that constitutes weekly?
>
>>He is in the Canadian Jewish News every month.
>
>So that constitutes weekly?

Those are just a few examples.  I don't know everytime he is on TV but I 
assure you that he does interviews at least every 3 days with a TV or News 
outlet.


BTW.  Why did you cut this out of the other message you wrote and tried to act 
 as if I never wrote this?????   Streatching the truth a bit?



>>SO he does not have to throw away $200,000 dollars to get in the paper.
>
>Yes he does.  If he diddn't he wouldn't be in the paper.


Stupid logic.  If he gets in the paper or on TV all the time, why would he 
throw away thousands of dollars to get on a few times?????

It does not make sence.



>>>If you blame it on the Jews, suddenly you have support. 


>From  who?





I deleted the rest since I answered it in another message.


Marc



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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) writes:
>> Mr. Rosenburg.  The Idea of free speech means that minority opinions such 
as 
>> the ones help by Nazi's, Revisionists and White supremicists are protected. 
 
>> So yes my idea of free speech also includes letting those type of people on 
my 
>> BBS.  But I try to even it out my putting Mr McVays files on my BBS, 
something 
>> which that Hypocrite will not do for me in return.
>
>	Unless you made a deal which he broke, you have no basis to
>complain. 


We never made a deal, but since he has his own server (i believe) it would 
only be fair to put my files on his FTP site also.  

I did not ask Mr McVay to advertise my files like I do with his files, I only 
asked him to include them.  I even offered to pay any charges he might incur. 
(note: I do not charge him to have his files on my BBS)



Marc


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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.revisionism,ont.general
Subject: Canadian Armed Forces
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 02:31:49 GMT
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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com):
>>>> The Locals (Somolians) would try to break into the Canadians Camp 24 
hours
>>>> a day. They would run through and grab anything they could get their 
hands
>>>> on and run back out. Being in the Armed Forces, I know that when you lose
>>>> you Kit (equipment) you are in alot of shit.
>
>>>Hmmm...whenever I lost kit, I just filled out a lost kit report...sure
>>>the log weasels would be annoyed. It really depends on the kit you
>>>lose...if someone takes off with your C7, well you can kiss your free
>>>time bye bye, because you are going to visit Club Ed (the military
>>>prison at Edmonton)...but someone takes a jerrycan...fill out the
>>>forms as best you can and go on with your job.
>
>
>>You must be from quite a Lax unit(something for which the Airborne was never
>>accused of)
>
>No...I was from a combat arms regiment which recognized that in the field 
shit
>happens, and kit gets lost or even stolen.


Kit does get lost and Kit does get stolen.  But it is your responsibility to 
make sure all your Kit is accounted for.  If it is lost or stolen, you should 
be in trouble.  If your unit is Lax in that department, count yourself very 
very lucky.  Since most units are not.  And in the Airbourne, the loss of Kit 
is an offence which is punishible by a military charge.  Which as we all know 
could result in visiting Club-Ed.  (But highly unlikley for loss of Kit)



>> In my company if you lost Kit you are up shits creek.  Not only
>>would you have to pay for your Kit you would also be punished in some way.
>
>That is just silly. If you are in the field, and you fill out a lost kit
>report just as soon as you get back into garrison then nothing should
>happen. (you may have to fill out reaps of paper work, and someone may
>verbally bust your balls...but experienced soldiers recognize that kit
>gets lost, and they won't push the issue) The only times I got nailed
>for losing kit was when I failed to report it. Lost my CF rainjacket in
>'89 and I didn't report it until '91 the log weasels were not amused and
>made me pay...had I reported it at the end of the Ex, I wouldn't have
>had to pay.

Like I say.  Your in a Lax unit.  Your are a lucky person.  A member of my 
combat team lost his CF rain-pants.  He had to do night watch (security) and 
also fire picket for our 1 week EX.  He also had gotten quite alot of verbal 
"ball-busting"  And he also had to pay for his lost Kit.  This person got only 
 about 4-5 hours of sleep a night.  I really felt sorry for him.  But thats 
what happens when you lose Kit.


>>If you lost say your cap badge, you would not only have to buy a new one you
>>would also have to do extra duties for 2 weeks.  Those extra duties usually
>>included double night watch, garbage duty, fire watch, and any other shit 
work
>>that your unit comes across.
>
>Sucks to be in your unit then. (as for the capbadge, anyone stupid
>enough not to carry a spare deserves to be punished)

True.  We should always be prepared.  But some people do not think very far 
ahead all the time.  And most people do not have enough room in their 
Ruck-sack for doubles of everything.  Since ofcourse no one knows what they 
are going to lose the next day.



>>>>  So the soldiers would chase the Somolians back out. There was only
>>>> 1 instance when the CF personelle got out of hand and beat a poor
>>>> person.
>
>>>One instance where an individual, (Shidane Arone) was beaten to
>>>death...another instance where the sentries capped a couple of
>>>intruders.
>
>>I have not heard of this other instance where the Sentries killed some
>>Somolies.  Could you enlighten me.
>
>Somalis, who are Somalian, and from Somalia. Not Somolies, or
>Somolians, but Somalis. And as for the shooting incident...two
>intruders were shot in the Canadian compound, they were unarmed and it
>is believed that one was in custody when he was shot. (although we won't
>know for sure until the investigation is done, and the MO gets to
>testify on the location of the entrance and exit wounds)

I will be interested to hear more about this, when it does come to trail.  


>>Oh by the way.  If you look at the French Foreign Legion, they killed from 
my
>>personal knowledge over 6 people.  Including 3 in a truck full of 
explosives,
>>where they just opened fire because the truck was coming in their direction.
>
> Just because the FFL killed more people doesn't make what was done by
>the Mcpl. Matchee and Pte Brown, acceptable. The position that the FFL
>legionaires were in may have been very different from that of the
>Airborne. Each incident has to be evaluated individually...were the
>targets combatants or non-combatants? Were they engaged in hostile
>actions or were they prisoners.


I agree that every situation should be evaluated individually.  And in the 
case of Mcpl. Matchee and Pte brown I also believe that they were wrong.
But in the same token, they should not have shut the whole Airbourne down for 
the actions of a few.

[Rest deleted since we have been over it before]


Marc


From cpn@euphoria.com Tue Aug 29 00:04:28 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: 
>: I do not lie in my posts.  I put the truth foward as I see it. 
>
>In one and the same posting you insisted that it *isn't/wasn't*
>Zuendel's house which was burnt downi (but his SON'S), yet several 
>lines later you said it was his house, when referring to the very
>same building.
>
>Now these two claims contradict one another and since they were
>not made by two separate contributors debating a point, but by one
>and the same contributor, a number of obvious conclusions come to
>mind:


Well the Building that Mr. Zundel lives in belongs to his son.

I think you are just trying to find something stupid to argue about.

I did not say everytime that in "Zundel's son's house..."  I simply refered to 
the house as being Zundel's.  So what?!  Whats the big deal?


>1. you are "parsimonious with the truth";
>
>2. you are truthful and honest, but suffer from schizophrenia and
>   a severely restricted span of attention, which coupled with
>   dyslexia prevents you from being able to read the previous
>   sentence of your own authorship.


Please get a life my friend!


Marc



From cpn@euphoria.com Tue Aug 29 00:04:29 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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>In article <41mpnc$9v1@mail.inforamp.net>, cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) 
wrote:
>
>> Your childness came out in you first sentence.  
>
>And yours comes out with _every_ sentance! (Not to mention your
>silly-assed sig.) 


I did not call you a goose-stepping moron.  I actually never called you any 
names.  


[deleted stuff I have already answered]


>BTW, I see that your "adverstisement" is shrinking. Evolution in action
>perhaps? 


I shrinked it just for you.  I know how much you hated it so i shriked it for 
it would be more of your liking.  How do you like it my Fuher?



Marc (your humble servant)




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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber EXPOSED, by a Medical Doctor
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 02:53:22 GMT
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>> He did 100 autopsies A DAY.  And also superficially examined about 300
>corpses 
>> a day.
>
>The man did, as you claim 100 autopsies a day? Lets see, that would make
>roughly a little over four per hour if he went twenty four hours. At best
>that means he did oen every fifteen minutes. No, considering that he did
>not work for 24 hours straight, and the he also looked at 300 bodies
>superficially, I fail to see how any work that he did could be considered
>accurate - it takes a normal pathologist even with todays technology much
>much longer than fifteen minutes to examine a body. Either you have your
>facts mixed up, you are lying, or Lawson is a fraud.


You also must consider that he was working quite closley with the American Lab 
in Paris, which did all the medical tests(ie toxicology, etc).  I would also 
assume that he had other Medics helping him.  The medics would probibly get 
the bodies for Dr Larson to investigate and also assist him in the Autopsies. 
 

So far I have not seen any evidence that he is a fraud.  Do you have any 
evidence that might lead you to believe that Dr Larson is a fraud?


Marc



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>> >Go to Zundel's web site and read his 'power letters' - you can read, can't 
>> you?
>> 
>> Nice try at comedy, but stick to your day job, Ghandi.
>
>I was being serious. Have you read the "power' letters? and BTW, it is
>GANDHI. Try to get something right for once.

You asserted that Zundel is blaming it all on Jews(the firebombing at his 
house), so please show me where in the Power report it says this?


>> >He asked YOU Lemire, not Zundel. Afraid to answer the question?
>> 
>> Actaully in the full version before you hacked the previous part out, we 
were 
>> talking about Zundel, NOT ME.  
>
>I am not playing games. I read to original thread. He asked you, and you
>still have refused to answer the question. So I'll ask you even though I
>think you are afraid to answer the question.

Once again you lying.  he was refering to Zundel.  So in response to him I 
gave Zundel's phone number and told him to call and ask Zundel himself, since 
I cannot speak for Mr. Zundel.



>Marc Lemire, do you believe that the Nazis exterminated six million
>people, including Jews, Gypsys, Political Prisoners, and Homosexuals,
>during WWII?

I amswered this in another post.  Read that, I don't feel like typeing it 
again for you, Ghandi [I like it better this way :)]


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Zundel and the UFO's
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>This was posted today on a different newsgroup, regarding
>"leading revisionist scholar" Ernst Zundel.
>
>I'm currently collecting documentation of this nut's "research"
>into "Nazi UFO's"; if you thought the "revisionists" on this
>newsgroup are crazy, wait till you see this.
>
>
>
>Ernst Zundel-aka Christof Friedrich-was a Toronto Nazi who believed that
>the earth is hollow and is inhabited by superhumans (ie. pure White
>Aryans), some of whom-including Hitler-came to the surface and founded
>Nazism in order to *purify* the outer earth. Supposedly, Hitler fled back
>to the inner earth after getting his ass kicked in WW2, and is still there
>plotting his takeover and purification of the outer earth. (Zundel was
>also a big proponent of the *the-Holocaust-never-happened* trash ideas.)
>Once, Zundel tried to raise the money to buy a plane, paint it with
>swastikas, and fly it to the Nazi inner earth base via an opening in the
>South Pole. (The swastika was intended to let the inner earth Nazis know
>that their visitors were friendly, as well as bearing witness to Zundel's
>loyalties.) Zundel was mostly active in the late 70's; I'm suprised that
>he still has followers (although Nazism still does have followers, nothing
>was heard from Zundel after his 1978 fundraising effort bombed). 
>
>


Could you please give a source on this quote Mr. Karen?

Since it is full of lies and complete B.S., why even wate your time posting 
it?


Marc



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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: What this group is or does (Was: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem)
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>>Why does LeMire carry McVay's files if he hate McVay so much?
>
>I'm not exactly certain, but perhaps it is Lemire's way of
>acknowledging that notwithstanding the drivel that can be found at the
>other sites, the facts can also be found on the net - if one chooses
>to look for it.


I carry Mr. McVays information because it puts a level on evenness on my BBS. 
 I have over 70-80 megs of Revisionist material.  So why would I not also 
carry some of Mr. McVays material.  It seems only fair to give his side of the 
arguement a voice, or in this case space on my Hard Drive.

Mr. McVay will not do the same for me in return, but then cries when Greg 
Raven does not put a link to his WWW site.  Seems pretty hypocrytical doesn't 
it.


Marc



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>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: I have over 650 users right now and only a small part of those 650 users 
fall 
>: into the catagory of "right-wingers"

Most people do not fall into any catagory.  They are just normal people, who 
are interested in politics or history.


>I guess the rest of them are "ultra-right-wingers" then?

.....  always trying to label people???


>: You should check it out before talking about it.
>
>From the amount of backpedalling, apologizing and weaseling that you do, 
>Marc, it doesn't look like you bother to check *anything* out.


What backpedalling, apologizing and weaseling do I do????   Please give me 
some messages where I did all this.


The only thing I can suggest to you is that you logon and check the BBS out.  
then come back here and tell us what you think.  Please don't bother 
commenting on it, if your just going to spout crap.


Marc

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>In article <41o53m$431@news2.aimnet.com>, George Graves
> wrote:
>
>> Sara, the most feeble variety of flame on the net is to criticize someone 
for 
>> typos. Most people write these responses online, on the fly and in
>simple text 
>> entry windows, not in Word 6.1. I know that this was not directed at me, 
and 
>> that I am interloping here, but I see it so much on the net, and it is so 
>> counterproductive, that I feel  compelled to mention it wherever possible.
>> 
>
>Your compulsions aside, if you were to have followed this group for a bit
>you would have realized that Sara is simply responding appropriately to
>Mr. Lemire's feeble attempts at writing. We (myself included) have pretty
>much given up pointing out the intellectual inadequacy (not to mention
>factual integrity) of Mr. Lemire's posts. Now we amuse ourself by treating
>Mr. Lemire as the fool he obviously apires to be. But if you wouldn't go
>off half-cocked you'd know that, right? 


More of your stupid crap 'eh Mark.  Bud.... get a life!


Marc

From cpn@euphoria.com Tue Aug 29 18:43:41 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,can.politics,ont.general,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: McVays funding from Jerusalem
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 03:58:48 GMT
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>>>I really do not care where you get money from.  
>>>
>>>Why did you bring it up in the first place?
>
>>I have wrote before exactly the reason why I brought it up.  Because another 
>>person was asking so I wrote the information I had at the time.  
>
>Who was that person?
>

I believe it was Cyberknight.  If memory serves correctly.


>>[...deletia...]
>>>> You have admitted before that you are recieving money to run your Nitzkor 
>>>> project.   So basically this is like a job to you (Since you get money
>>>for it) 
>>>
>>>No, it is a non-profit organization registered with the Government (hence
>>>the ability to isue tax-credits).
>
>>YOUR A LIAR.  (Gee I sound like a whining McVay)
>
>>His organization is not registered to give out tax credits.  He goes through 
>>some sort of a church organization to do it.  
>
>What church organization does Ken McVay work through to issue tax
>credits?


I am not sure on the Exact name, but I believe he said it was the United 
church, but I am not sure on that.   Hmmmm  maybe Mr. McVay can break in here 
and enlighten us.


Marc



From cpn@euphoria.com Tue Aug 29 18:43:42 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.politics,ont.general
Subject: Re: "I'm not a Nazi but I play one on your computer screen" (Canadian Armed Forces )
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 04:00:53 GMT
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>From: ab330@torfree.net (Bob Allisat)
>>: >                   ERNST ZUNDEL'S VOICE OF FREEDOM WWW SITE      
>>: >                     STORMFRONT - WHITE NATIONALIST PAGE
>>: >                              NATIONAL ALLIANCE
>>: >                              RESISTANCE RECORDS
>>
>>         L
>>         See Herr Lemire is a proponant of free speech. He
>>         is willing to porvide a home to all of the mis-
>>         understood and oppressed neo-nazi's... Lemire is 
>>         actually a public servant, a paragon of free speech
>>         and a fine example of democracy in action. 
>
>I suppose my only reaction is that just because one has a RIGHT to eat
>one's own, or others, feces it doesn't necessarily demand that you do
>so in public or be applauded for showing such courage. But I still
>believe one should have a right.
>
>BTW, Lemire has done a lot more than merely provide such a home, he
>actively posts his favorite fecal recipes here all the time.


[Refering to the Fecal matter]

Oh you must be refering to me advertiseing Ken McVays WWW site.


Marc


*** MAKE SOME EXTRA CASH ***.... mcvay???
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:07:58 GMT
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cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:


>>Earn some extra at home processing mail.
>>
>>Do it while watching TV.
>>
>>For an information packet please send $2.00 and a SASE to:
>>
>>Matt Eau Claire
>>Attn: Accounting Dept.
>>2000 Mosher St. Suite D
>>Bay City, MI 48706-3518


>Hey McVay I hope your writing to this person ISP and complaining that he is 
>advertising in Usenet.  

>Or are you just a hypocrite, McVay?


>Marc




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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.jewish,soc.history
Subject: MCVAY THE SPAMMER!!  (Re: An Open Letter to Greg Raven)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:15:07 GMT
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>Mr. Raven:

>As President and Chief Executive Officer of the Institute for
>Historical Review, Mr. Raven, you operate the IHR's WWW
>site, http://www.kaiwan.com/~greg.ihr, as a focalpoint for the
>dissemination of neo-Nazi Holocaust denial propaganda.

Mr. McVay can you please tell me why you have spammed this message all
over the internet?  

You have posted this message to over 6  separate UseNet conferences
while this message really only belongs in Alt.Revisionism.

Why do you in one hand cry that I am a spammer and complain that I
have a 17 line SIG, but you at the same time spam your whining letter
to so many conferences?


>>>>>> This part for McVays lap-dog Danny Keren.

Are you going to publically say that what McVay has done here is
wrong?  You bug me constantly about spamming, but you keep your mouth
shut when McVay does it.   Are you just a hypocrite or will you
publically say that McVay is a spammer?



I await you responses!



Marc Lemire



From cpn@euphoria.com Thu Aug 31 09:45:13 PDT 1995
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From: cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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>cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) wrote:
>
>>Well you can continue thinking whatever you like.  We all know that you are 
>>the real liar.  (claiming I am recieving money for my Internet connection to 
>>my BBS)
>
>From your own ad for your own BBS, Lemire: (message-ID: 
><3vt23n$rtn@inforamp.net>, Fri, 04 Aug 1995 12:01:40 GMT):
>
>>          SOON TO HAVE AN INTERNET CONNECTION!!!! SIGN UP NOW
>>       DON'T BE CENSORED BY POLITICALLY CORRECT FOOLS LIKE PRODIGY
>>                           ONLY $15/YEAR
>
>You yourself claimed that you receive -- or, more accurately, require
>payment for -- Internet access via your BBS. How, exactly, is it a lie
>to restate what you yourself have said?

Come on that BBS ad is months old.  And since the Internet connection is nto 
up yet, no one is donating to get access to it.

But then again, I explained all this in the original message.  Why have you 
deleted it?  Are you tying to pull something funny here?  That is 
mis-representing the original post.   

You sure are a slipery one, Mr. Brown.   Are you a lawyer by trade :)


Marc



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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.censorship
Subject: RE: SHUT DOWN HATE BBS
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 11:00:28 GMT
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>On 27 Aug 95 07:46am, KARLM@IO.ORG wrote to ALL:
>
>    > In Toronto we have two Hate BBSs I know of that carry Hate
>    > files and messages about gays and immigrants.  They need
>    > to be shut down but the police don't think it is a serious
>    > problem.
>
>I am the Sysop of Politically Incorrect.  You politically correct
>types are the true hate-mongers!   You seek to silence ANYONE who
>disagrees  with,  or  speaks out against your ideas and opinions.
>The Canadian Charter of Rights and  Freedoms  GUARANTEES  me  the
>right to Freedom of Speech, Thought, Belief and Expression.
>
>    > Both of these BBSs advertise often on
>    > alt.politics.white-power
>
>I have never  personally advertised my BBS in alt.politics.white-
>power, but even if I had, what is the big deal?  It is  a  Usenet
>newsgroup  just like the many thousands of other newsgroups.  How
>many newsgroups promote sodomy and other sick sexual perversions?
>Why aren't you seeking to shut them down?
>
>    > On is called the Politically Incorrect BBS (416) 467-4975
>    > and is run by a Chris Saunder.  The other one is called
>    > Digital Freedom (416) 462-3327 and is run by a Mark Lemire.
>
>That's "Christopher Saunders", and  "Marc Lemire".  Thank you for
>the free advertisement, we appreciate it! :)
>
>    > Since the police don't care about them maybe we can all
>    > shut them down using the method I have been trying.
>
>The police have better things to do than  go  after  "hate  BBSs"
>that aren't even breaking the law!  The police waist time filling
>out  reports  because  people  like you file frivolous complaints
>about BBSs which promote ideas  and opinions that you don't like.
>They are not  using  their  time  and  money  to  go  after  real
>criminals!
>
>Let  me  remind  you again, to the best of my knowledge, there is
>*NOTHING* illegal on both Digital Freedom (Marc Lemire's BBS) and
>Politically Incorrect (my  BBS).   Since  our  BBSs are operating
>within Canadian law, you have no legal right to try and shut  our
>BBSs down.  The method that you are using to try and shut us down
>is  ILLEGAL, and violates my right to Free Speech under section 2
>of  the  Canadian  Charter  of  Rights  and  Freedoms.   For your
>information, here is what the Charter says about Free Speech:
>
>SECTION 2 OF THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:
>
>"FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS
>
>2.  Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
>
>(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
>
>(b) freedom of thought,  belief, opinion and expression including
>freedom of the press and other media of communication;"
>
>    > I get my communications program to keep on dialing them day
>    > and night but to hang up after a preset time  so  that  the
>    > modem  answers but does not get a chance to connect because
>    > I set the program to run  the modem at 300 baud.  This ties
>    > up the BBSs for probably 1/3 of the time which  is  a  good
>    > ratio since I am dialing both of these BBSs, first one then
>    > the  other.   If  we can get several other people doing the
>    > same thing practically  nobody  will  ever  be  able to get
>    > through to see this Hate propaganda.
>
>Usually I do not quote as much as this, but considering what  you
>said, I feel that I should let people know exactly what kind of a
>person you are.  Calling any  telephone number repeatedly for the
>purpose  of  harassment  is  ILLEGAL!   If  anyone  calls  my BBS
>repeatedly and ties it up, I  will have the number traced through
>Bell Canada, and I will file charges.  I am a law abiding citizen
>who is exercising his constitutionally protected rights.
>
>Internet: christopher.saunders@canrem.com     FidoNet: 1:229/15
>Politically Incorrect BBS - 416-467-4975
>
>.... Duck Billed Platypus:  Proof God has a sense of humour
> * Silver Xpress V4.01 SW12658


I am re-posting this message to these conferences so that everyone will know 
that Mr. Mamer is advocating illegial activity against our BBS's.


Thank you

Marc Lemire
DIGITAL FREEDOM SYSOP

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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Canada's Best and Biggest Pro-White bbs
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>A redneck hiding under a white sheet is the same as a redneck hiding 
>behind a monitor.
>
>Marc Lemire (cpn@euphoria.com) wrote:
>: >>Under our sheets???
>: >
>
>: I DO NOT represent the Klan, so that stupid remark about sheets is 1. very 
>: outdated 2. very incorrect.
>
>Trade in your white sheets for a clean suit, you're still the same.
>What do you represent?

I represent a growing underclass of White Canadians sick of what the 
government is doing to them


>What fears are you trying to manipulate?

None.  We are not trying to scare people, we are just trying to show them what 
the Government is doing to them, and how they can fight against it.


>: >>The Internet has provided us with a huge place where we get more and more 
>: >>support by the day.
>: >
>: >	And a much larget opposition!
>: >
>
>: Not really.  If you look at our mailing list they far outnumber you type of 
>: people.  My E-mailing list is around 700+ people.  Combine that with others 
we 
>: have over 4000 people we regularly receive E-Mail from us.  So we are 
winning 
>: the war on the Internet... NOT YOU!
>
>Well, on this thread, every article I've read has disapproved of your views.
>I'm not that surprised you can find 4000 disenchanted people who buy into 
>your simplistic solutions. It's relatively easy to manipulate people 
>based on their irrational fears and legitimize this behaviour within the 
>group. Hitler was very successful at it.


I have recieved over 30 letters requesting more information, and almost 1 
hundred more requests for more information Via E-Mail.

And 4000 is a very, very small number of people we are really reaching.  We 
are reaching in the hundred of thousands now, worldwide.   So you can sit on 
your computer and make fun of us all you like.  It does not matter, we are 
still growing.  Bigger and bigger by the day!


Marc


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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: can.motss,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Shut Down Hate BBSs
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 10:56:10 GMT
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>In a recent article karlm@io.org (Karl Mamer) wrote:
>> In Toronto we have two Hate BBSs I know of that carry Hate files and 
>> messages about gays and immigrants.  They need to be shut down but the 
>> police don't think it is a serious problem.

My name is Marc Lemire and I am the Sysop of Digital Freedom BBS.

You are saying that I have "hate files and messages" on my BBS.  Could you 
please point out one file or message?
 

>> Both of these BBSs advertise often on alt.politics.white-power
>> 
>> On is called the Politically Incorrect BBS (416) 467-4975 and is run by 
>> a Chris Saunder.  The other one is called Digital Freedom (416) 462-3327 
>> and is run by a Mark Lemire.
>> 
>> Since the police don't care about them maybe we can all shut them down 
>> using the method I have been trying.  I get my communications program to 
>> keep on dialing them day and night but to hang up after a preset time so 
>> that the modem answers but does not get a chance to connect because I 
>> set the program to run the modem at 300 baud.  This ties up the BBSs for 
>> probably 1/3 of the time which is a good ratio since I am dialing both 
>> of these BBSs, first one then the other.  If we can get several other 
>> people doing the same thing practically nobody will ever be able to get 
>> through to see this Hate propaganda.
  
You are a complete liar Mr. Mamer.  You have never done this to my BBS and 
>from  what I know you have never done this to Politically Incorrect BBS either.

But if in the future you decide to go through with such an Illegial action I 
will have you charged and I will follow through with whatever legal avenues 
open to me.

Also if you advocate any more illegal activity against either me or Mr. 
Saunders we will foward all of your messages to the Toronto Police Department.


Thank You


Marc Lemire
DIGITAL FREEDOM SYSOP


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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Lemire's right.. again!
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 11:08:56 GMT
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>On 24 Aug 1995, Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>> 
>> [Lemire]'s having a hard enough time "supervising" his grammer (even _with_
>							     ^^^
>> Sara's prodding), so let's not give him any new ideas for the moment....
>> };->
>> 
>> Mark
>
>The bane of all spelling flamewars (though in this one, I'm happily 
>laughing along with Mark & Sara--Lemire's command of language truly is 
>pathetic....) is that the flamer inevitably commits his/her own typo for 
>others to jump upon.  (William Saffire calls such writers the "Gotcha! 
>Gang...")  
>
>"Grammar Rock is not your Gramma; it's your grammar"
>						--ABC-TV

It just shows that you people have nothing really to say.  If all you can do 
is flame be because of a few typos...  It shows you have NO real arguement.


Marc


*60*
>newsgroups on behalf of Ernst Zuendel. That is, it was 60 when I gave
>up counting.

I have actually never even seen that message, not to say that it is not true.

The whole point of me saying this to Mr. McVay is because he is always crying 
about me doing it.  So it is a little revenge time.


>>You have posted this message to over 6  separate UseNet conferences
>>while this message really only belongs in Alt.Revisionism.
>
>>Why do you in one hand cry that I am a spammer and complain that I
>>have a 17 line SIG, but you at the same time spam your whining letter
>>to so many conferences?
>
>So complain to his service provider .
>
>No never mind. Complain directly to Internic (I can already hear them
>laughing: "Six? hee, he wants us to pull, heh, he, HA, the domain for
>six?")


It would be useless to complain to him, since he is his own service provider.


>>>>>>>> This part for McVays lap-dog Danny Keren.
>
>>Are you going to publically say that what McVay has done here is
>>wrong?  You bug me constantly about spamming, but you keep your mouth
>>shut when McVay does it.   Are you just a hypocrite or will you
>>publically say that McVay is a spammer?
>
>Hi! I think I could qualify as one of McVay's lap dogs (check my .sig,
>putz).  So here goes:
>
>Naughty Ken! Naughty, naughty Ken. Don't you ever spam the entire
>6-group-Internet even if they are all interested groups.
>
>Interested groups:
>
>alt.revisionism - obvious
>
>alt.politics.white-power - I've dropped in once or twice, usually
>                           some of Holocaust denial messages posted
>
>alt.politics.nationalism.white - same again
>
>talk.politics.misc - a group dedicated to miscellaneous political
>                     topics. Hmm, I wonder how a political topic like
>                     Holocaust denial fits in there. I guess you've
>                     got us on that one. Hee.
>
>soc.culture.jewish - hard to say what Holocaust denial has to do with
>                     Jewish culture too
>
>soc.history - Now I definitely don't think Holocaust denial has
>              anything to do with history--except that it is the
>              utter *falsification* of history
>
>Why do you hate Ken McVay so much? Your charges against him are sooooo
>lame, and filled with such vitriol that I can't think of what it might
>be besides hate.

I do not hate Mr. McVay like you seem to think.  Actualy I really don't mind 
him.  He at least has the ambition to comfront the revisionists on the 
Internet.  Something for which I commend him. (even if he is getting paid for 
doing it)

But I resent his bothering me for "spamming" when at the same time he does the 
exact same thing, to conferences where his "open letter" has no place.



Marc

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>jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
>
>> Why do you hate Ken McVay so much? Your charges against him are sooooo
>> lame, and filled with such vitriol that I can't think of what it might
>> be besides hate.
>
>Could perhaps being exposed as the Jew bashing and crypto-Nazi running dog
>he is, while lying through his teeth regarding his patently false claims
>that the Toronto Sun _stated_ that Zundel's house was firebombed by Jewish
>terrorists, have something to do with it? Naaaahhhhh...

HAHAHAHAH.  I am a Jew Basher?!?!  What an outright LIE.  And for the 
millionth time I DID not lie about the Dunophy story.  It was claimed in the 
Toronto Sun.  Read the fucking article, Mark.


>So, I guess "hate" pretty much sums it up no matter which way one looks at
>it, doesnt it? 


Well I think that YOU are the prejustice one, not me.  You called me a Jew 
Basher and say that I lied about the Dunohy article.  Both are lies.


Get a life, lamer


Marc


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From: cpn@inforamp.net (Marc Lemire)
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Subject: Re: Charles Larson: full bibliographic info
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>mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>HAPLO  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Dr. Charles larson did as many as 100 autopsies a DAY. you can find it 
>>>in the libary of congress #78-16403. Most of the libarys will refuse to 
>>>carry him because his finding widly contradict the Gassing Theory.
>
>>    The book you mention is not by Charles Larson himself.  Here is the 
>>full information:
>
>>    78-16403: McCallum, John Dennis, 1924-  Crime Doctor : Dr. Charles P.
>>     Larson, world's foremost medical-detective, reports from his crime 
>>     file /
>>     Mercer Island, Wash. : Writing Works, c1978.  x, 262 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
>>     LC CALL NUMBER: RA1025.L37 M3 1978
>
>Thanks for this! It turns out that the book is available in my local
>public library. Which rather tells against Lemire's contention that
>"most of the libarys will refuse to carry him because his finding
>widly contradict the Gassing Theory." Though I have found that many of

HOLD on a sec.  When did I say that?  I think you are abit mistaken, I do not 
remember saying that.


>his contentions seem to arise from his rich fantasy life rather than
>from any verifiable source. To wit, the unanswered challenge for
>evidence that Allied aircraft strafed transports of prisoners on their
>way to concentration or death camps.
>
>Now I shall be able to see just how "widly" Larson contradicts
>anything.

IN Dr. Larsons book he describes looking at some of the train cars that were 
hit by 50 Cal machine guns.  Only the Allies used 50. Cal maching guns (on 
their air-planes).  And why would the Germans shoot at their own train cars.


And I never saw this message where someone is asking for more proof on the 
Train Car claim.  Sorry about that.



Marc




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>In article <41u0m6$hm0@mail.inforamp.net> cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) 
writes:
>
>
>>OH believe me, there are many lies on Mr. McVays FTP/WWW site.  expecially 
the 
>>lies about Fred Leuchter and some other lies about Dachau.
>
>Well, actually, I don't believe you -- when you last called McVay a liar, it 
>was quite clearly demonstrated that you were blowing smoke.


Well Mr. McVay is a liar.  He claimed that Fred Leuchter uses Sex 
(Pervert - added in by me) BBS's.  When in fact he does not.  So that makes 
Mr. McVay a liar.

We are reviewing some of his files and we will have Text files made on the 
lies they contain.  Most of those files on his FTP and WWW sites are not 
written by him, so directly he is not a liar, but the files do contain either 
falsehoods (lies) or misconceptions.

I will post the material as we come across it.


Marc



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>>   cpn@euphoria.com (Marc Lemire) writes:
>>     
>>  
>>  So far I have not seen any evidence that he is a fraud.  Do you have any 
>>  evidence that might lead you to believe that Dr Larson is a fraud?
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>>>>
>   Assuming your description is correct (a big assumption considering your 
>record of misrepresentation) any pathologist worth his salt would tell you 
that.  

Enough with your fucking rhetoric.  I coppied directly from the book.  SO if 
you have questions on exactly how many bodies he autopsies, buy the blody book 
and read it yourself.


>According to two pathologists -- one the chairman of the pathology department 
>at a teaching hospital and the other at a large medical school -- the minimum 
>time required to do a cursory autopsy is 30 minutes.  This would include only 
>opening the body and examining the major organs.  Examination of the brain 
>would require another fifteen minutes.  Taking samples for laboratory 
analysis 
>would take a minimum of fifteen minutes.  Dictating even a cursory report 
>would take five to ten minutes depending on the findings; the more abnormal 
>the organs the more time the dictation would take.  A full forensic 
examination 
>where there has be any deterioration of the cadaver, can require as much as 
>two hours or more.
>
>   When I told one pathologist that someone claims to have routinely 
performed 
>100 autopsies a day, he laughed.  When I told him that in addition to the 
>autopsies the person claimed to have done a cursory examination of 300 
>cadavers he laughed again.
>
>   Can you give me the name of a single pathologist who has confirmed to you 
>that Larson could have done what you said?

I have not spoken to many patholigists.    An interesting point you bring up. 
But Dr. Larson did claim that he did that many a day.  The best thing we could 
do is ask him how he did his autopsies that quick.  Assuming he had competent 
help, I do believe that he could do the autopsies quite quick.  But 100 a day 
does seem like alot, assuming your correct that it takes 30 mins per autopsy.

Are their any quilified Patholigists out there that could help us out?


Marc


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