From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:37 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka
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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## You must have seen the photos of skeletal corpses being
## buried in the Ghetto.

# I never saw such photo,

That figures. You're a "revisionist scholar", right?

# althought they may exist but I would be surprised.

The photos are well-known. There was starvation in the
Warsaw ghetto. It's well-known.

# However, this has little importance: your methode to
# calculate this is not valid. You assume that the human
# body is of the density of water, and this is not correct,

So tell us what you think the density is.

People sink in water; fact. The average density of a human
being is rather close to that of water. This is a FACT.
I guess that the density of an emaciated person is even higher.

# You still bring your photo and claim that there's not
# 60% empty space: well, I don't know in this case,

Did you consider looking at the photo?

# but the way those people are pilled up in this case is
# not the same that what was given in the Treblinka story.

No major difference. Certainly not to account for such a
huge difference in the packing inefficiency.

# I'm saying that the total empty space between the
# corpses and inside the corpses is 60% or more, yes.

The "empty spaces inside the corpses" are irrelevant,
as they are covered in the density.

To suggest that 60 percent of the mass grave consists
of spaces between the corpses is simply absurd. You want
to say it, say it. You can also say that the moon is made
of green cheese; It's a free country, after all.

You've lost this debate, and you know it. Why can't you
just give up, and move to something else, like proving
that Hitler didn't exist?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:38 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW
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 writes:

# Respected authors such as Irving, for example, have well
# documented cases contradicting the jewish version of
# events in WWII.

How odd. This is the same David Irving who wrote in his
1977 book, "Hitler's War", the following:

p. 391:
                                                                    
 "..the Jews set out eastward under the direction of one of the
cruelest SS leaders, Brigadier Odilo Globonik, the Trieste-born
former Gauleiter of Vienna. Upon arrival at Auschwitz and Treblinka,
four in every ten were pronounced fit for work; the rest were
exterminated".



Irving also mentions the well-known letter from Wetzel to
Lohse, October 25 1941, regarding the decision to murder Jews
"unfit for work" using poison gas (see page 330).

# Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found
# documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there,
# according to recently released Soviet documents.

How odd. Look at the report written by SS-Sturmbannfuehrer 
Gricksch for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, after 
inspection of Auschwitz camp on 14-16 May 1943 ("Hitler and the Final 
Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984, 
p. 142-143). Gricksch states in the report that, so far, 500,000
Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz; and this is in mid-1943. Only
"revisionist logic" can explain how the total number of victims
decreased, to reach 72,000 in 1945.

The truth, however, is rather different. The death lists that
"acumen" refers to are not only partial, but they cover only
those inmates who were admitted to the camp, had their names
recorded, and assigned a serial number. Since the large majority
were murdered upon arrival, they were not assigned a serial
number, and no one, of course, bothered to write their names
down - that would have been a complete waste of time.

Another indicator to the number of victims is the amount of 
cremation furnaces in the camp. As even the "revisionist"
agree, Auschwitz-Birkenau had 5 crematoriums, with a total
of 52 cremation furnaces. Had "only" 72,000 people died in
the camp in 5 years, that would amount to about 40 deaths
every day. One small crematorium, with 4 cremation furnaces,
would have been more than enough to deal with this number
of victims.

According to a letter from SS-man Jahrling to SS-General Kammler,
the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau could burn 
4,756 corpses in 24 working hours (see a photo of this letter 
in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
furnace-capacity.jpg). Obviously, there would have been no
need for such cremation capacity if 40 people would die every
day, on the average.

But, I guess that people like "leading revisionist", Ernst
Zundel, who claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing
Reich using "secret UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth
via a "hole in the South-Pole", have a different view of things.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec  3 06:47:39 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUNDELSITE ON WWW
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References:   <57unpq$1sj@freenet-news.carleton.ca>  writes:

# Respected authors such as Irving, for example, have well
# documented cases contradicting the jewish version of
# events in WWII.

How odd. This is the same David Irving who wrote in his
1977 book, "Hitler's War", the following:

p. 391:

 "..the Jews set out eastward under the direction of one of the
cruelest SS leaders, Brigadier Odilo Globonik, the Trieste-born
former Gauleiter of Vienna. Upon arrival at Auschwitz and Treblinka,
four in every ten were pronounced fit for work; the rest were
exterminated".



Irving also mentions the well-known letter from Wetzel to
Lohse, October 25 1941, regarding the decision to murder Jews
"unfit for work" using poison gas (see page 330).

# Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found
# documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there,
# according to recently released Soviet documents.

How odd. Look at the report written by SS-Sturmbannfuehrer
Gricksch for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, after
inspection of Auschwitz camp on 14-16 May 1943 ("Hitler and the Final
Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 1984,
p. 142-143). Gricksch states in the report that, so far, 500,000
Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz; and this is in mid-1943. Only
"revisionist logic" can explain how the total number of victims
decreased, to reach 72,000 in 1945.

The truth, however, is rather different. The death lists that
"acumen" refers to are not only partial, but they cover only
those inmates who were admitted to the camp, had their names
recorded, and assigned a serial number. Since the large majority
were murdered upon arrival, they were not assigned a serial
number, and no one, of course, bothered to write their names
down - that would have been a complete waste of time.

Another indicator to the number of victims is the amount of
cremation furnaces in the camp. As even the "revisionist"
agree, Auschwitz-Birkenau had 5 crematoriums, with a total
of 52 cremation furnaces. Had "only" 72,000 people died in
the camp in 5 years, that would amount to about 40 deaths
every day. One small crematorium, with 4 cremation furnaces,
would have been more than enough to deal with this number
of victims.

According to a letter from SS-man Jahrling to SS-General Kammler,
the combined crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau could burn
4,756 corpses in 24 working hours (see a photo of this letter
in http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
furnace-capacity.jpg). Obviously, there would have been no
need for such cremation capacity if 40 people would die every
day, on the average.

But, I guess that people like "leading revisionist", Ernst
Zundel, who claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing
Reich using "secret UFO's", and flew them into the inner earth
via a "hole in the South-Pole", have a different view of things.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 05:21:52 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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 "Kurt Stele" writes about Himmler's Posen speeches:

# If the tape was legit the cowardly Jewish Holohoax Industry
# would have already tested it by now.  

You must really be desperate, kurtzi. We offered to test it.
Moreover, "leading revisionists" like Faurisson and Irving
agree Himmler said these things. Faurisson's explanation
is that Himmler "indulged in a bit of braggadocio", and
probably didn't mean what he said. But then, Faurisson is
about as crazy as you (well, maybe a little less).

# Just like the cowards have to resort to imprisoning revisionists
# and censoring websites to keep the public from finding out about
# it.

kurtzi, what do you think about Matt Giwer's letter to my ISP,
demanding to kick me off the net and threatening to mail-bomb
him if he doesn't?

Care to answer, kurtzi?


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:07 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: agressive
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# By the way, I speak 3 languages besides English.

And he obviously lies in all of them.

Remember his claim that Amon Goeth was "executed by the SS for
mistreating Jews"? In reality, he was tried and executed by the
Poles, after the war.

When his lie was exposed, the lying Nazi apologist "rblackmore"
blamed a "Jewish researcher" who allegedly supplied him with
this false information...

What a stupid, lying Nazi.

Can he perhaps tell us:

1) Who this "Jewish researcher" is?

2) How come he ["rblackmore"] didn't know that Goeth was executed 
   by the Poles? With his "60,000 books" and all?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Never Trust a Nazi (Re: never trust a confession)
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

# There is no forensic evidence to prove that people 
# were gassed by the Nazis.

Incredibly enough, the lying Nazi apologist continues to make
this claim, although even the "revisionists" admit that there
are still cyanide compounds in the walls of the Auschwitz-Birkenau
gas chambers.

This makes the gassing in that camp one of only events in WW2
for which there is forensic evidence.

There is, for instance, no forensic evidence to the bombing of
Dresden, or to the alleged deaths of 3 million German civilians
after the war.

If the lying Nazi apologist believes there is such evidence, he
is most welcome to tell us where it can be found. If not, and if
he has any honesty whatsoever, he has to admit that, according
to his own standards, these events never took place.

But how many honest Nazi apologists are there? None.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:09 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'the screams and groans of the people died away'
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Testimony of Hauptschrfuehrer Gustav Labs
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison gas, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 87]
----------------------------------------------------------
Then Burstinger, who had reappeared from the cellar passage,
came up to me. He ordered me to start the engine and to leave
it running for about twelve minutes. I did what I was told, 
and a minute later I heard terrible screams and groans coming
>from  the interior. I got frightened and jumped out of the
driver's cab. I realized that the exhaust had been directed 
to the interior of the van to kill the people inside. Bothmann*
yelled at me, "Have you gone mad?". He told me to get back
behind the wheel. I did so and waited. I didn't dare to do
anything, because I was afraid of Bothmann. Gradually, after 
some minutes, the screams and groans of the people died away.

* SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hans Bothmann.




From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec  4 16:05:09 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Decision in Legion v. Carto et al
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It's fascinating to see these animals tearing each other
to pieces. My guess is that now they'll start killing 
each other.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:48 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

# Kremer's diaries mentioned "Sonderaktions" (special actions) 

Notes from diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, 
NY, 1988, p. 256-268]
----------------------------------------------------------------
2 September 1942

3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to 
me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
extermination camp for nothing!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Hmm. kurtzi, what do you and the rest of your crazy Nazi pals
make of this? "They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for 
nothing!".

# which Dr. Kremer testified the term meant "gassing of people" 

Kremer, and everyone else.

# only to retract it 10 years later after being released from
# Polish prison.

Sigh. kurtzi, I assume you're lying through your teeth, as not only
haven't I heard of him retracting this, but he repeated what he said
later, as a witness in the trial held by the German legal system
in 1963-5.

I assume, kurtzi, that you can supply us with a source about him
"retracting" what he said in Poland?

It's a simple question, kurtzi. On what do you base your claim that
he retracted what he said in Poland, re the gassings?

Why do you keep denying what you know happened, and what you
consider the greatest accomplishment of your one-balled fuehrer?


-Danny Keren.

 ----
For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:

 From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
 Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

# The Holocaust is a funny thing..
# When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
# When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
# Kurt Stele




From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:49 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Hitler Talks About the Jews, I
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

["quote" from "French rabbi"]

# (Rabbi Reichorn,  in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)

Does anyone know what this "Le Contemporain" is? Does
anyone have access to it? Is there any evidence this
"rabbi" ever existed?

I see no reason to believe anything posted by this rabid
Nazi, "rblackmore". He also claimed that Amon Goeth was
"executed by the SS for mistreating Jews", while in
reality he was tried and executed by the Poles after the
war. If he lies about what happened in WW2, he can
certainly lie about what happened in 1880.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:50 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Mass Murder in Belsen Camp, I
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 05:45:51 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: What did the allies know and when did they know it?
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dvdthomas@aol.com writes:

[To Mr. Chuck Ferre]

# Was this on the day that your outfit lost
# 160 planes? :-)

Has anyone else noticed the wild attacks against
Mr. Ferre - from Giwer, Stele, and now this lame
one-liner from "dvdthomas", who apparently thinks
it's funny to joke about Americans who died fighting
the Nazis?

Why do they hate him so much? because he was there
and because he fought the Nazis, that's why. There's
no other reason.

This is just one example. The "revisionists" constantly
attack and slander the American Armed Forces, while
showering praise on the Nazis. According to them,
the baddies were the Americans, not the Nazis.

One can only wonder what these people would have done
had they lived during WW2. Personally, I have no doubt
whatsoever.

This is a democracy. These rabid dogs may bark as much
as they wish. As for myself, here's a toast to Chuck
Ferre, and to all other Americans who fought the Nazi evil.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 11:50:33 PST 1996
Article: 83921 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never trust a confession
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Delorean@cobble.frie (Trunksated) (the senile, unemployed Nazi 
drunkard from Tampa, FL) writes:

# You appear to be referring to YFE's assertion without support
# that a US doctor at Dachau, where there was never a gas chamber

Sigh. Matt:

1) There was a gas chamber, and it is still there.

2) There is a letter from Dr. Rascher to Himmler, mentioning the
   gas chamber and asking to use it to test "combat gases" on
   humans. See

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher1.jpg

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/
images/Rascher2.jpg

Two pages of letter from Dr. Rascher to Reichsfuehrer Himmler, 
suggesting to use the Dachau gassing facilities to test "combat 
gases" on inmates. Page 2 contains the following: translation 
courtesy of John Morris.

  Wie Sie wissen, wird im KL Dachau dieselbe Einricht[ung] wie
  in Linz gebaut. Nachdem die "Invalidentransporte" sowieso in
  bestimmten Kammern enden, frage ich, ob nicht in diesen Kammern
  an der sowieso dazu bestimmten Personen die Wirkung unserer
  verschiedenen Kampfgase erprobt werden kann? Bis jetzt liegen
  nur Tierversuche bezw. Berichte ueber Unfaelle bei Herrstellung
  dieser Gase vor. Wegen dieses Absatzes schicke ich den Brief
  als "Geheimsache."

  [As you know, the very same equipment is in the concentration
  camp at Dachau as was used at Linz [Hartheim]. Whereas the
  "invalid transports" end up in certain chambers [at Linz]
  anyway, I ask whether we cannot test some of our various
  combat gases on specific persons who are involved in the 
  action. Up till now there have only been animal tests
  or accounts of accidental deaths in the manufacture of these
  gases. Because of this paragraph, I have sent this letter
  marked  "Secret"].



# When do you folks give it up?

When do you find a job, leech? How difficult can it be, with your
claimed IQ of 163?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 15:35:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: He started shouting, and raised his whip
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## The stupid, lying Nazi now blames a mysterious "Jewish
## researcher" for the lies he posted. Just who is that
## "Jewish researcher"? David Cole, maybe? Do tell us.

# He was a Jew-like you.

Who was he? Why don't you tell us, you stupid, lying Nazi?

Anyway, you posted a lie; namely, that Goeth was
"executed by the SS for mistreating Jews", while he
was actually tried and executed by the Poles after
the war.

Being the stupid, lying Nazi clown that you are, you
now blame your lie on a "Jewish researcher".

You stupid Nazi. Even assuming this "Jewish researcher"
exists, how come you didn't know yourself what happened
to Goeth?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec  5 15:35:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe Runs Into Technical Difficulties
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Letter from SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe to Reich security office,
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print.
Off., 1946, Vol. I, p. 1001]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A transport of Jews, which has to be treated in a special way, arrives
weekly at the office of the commandant of the Security Police and the
Security Service of white Ruthenia. The three S-vans which are there
are not sufficient for that purpose. I request assignment of another
S-van (five tons). At the same time I request the shipment of twenty
gas hoses for the three S-vans on hand since the ones on hand are leaky
already.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished?
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tutu101@aol.com writes:

# You have only quoted one case, Mr. Keren.  

The case itself is not as important as the position expressed
by the SS court. Again, I suggest that our "revisionists" will
read the following:

Excerpts from Verdict of the SS Court in Munich, against 
SS-Untersturmfuehrer Max Taubner, 24 of May 1943
['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press, 
NY, 1988, p, 196-207]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against
the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the 
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should
have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take
part in the extermination of Jewry himself.



Nothing can be more clear than this.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:08 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: What Is 'rblackmore' Up To? (Re: Blackmore lies again  (Was
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:

[About his articles in acadia.chat and alt.teens, in which he 
pretended to be a young girl, and asked youngsters to e-mail
with him]

# And now, if you really must know who wrote it, it was my
# niece,  who happened to be visiting our home at the time.

And I guess you can prove this to us? Nahhhh.

# Isn't it peculiar that the only posts from a teenage girl
# all come from the same short time period with no additional
# posts afterwards?

If your "niece" was just visiting for a short period, why did 
she ask to e-mail her at your address?

Maybe you'll just tell us what you were up to when you posted
to these newsgroups? Planning to open a new branch of the
Hitler Youth... or something even worse?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:09 PST 1996
Article: 84035 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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WhoKnows@dot.tod (Elevated) writes:

# Where did you run across that admission?  The last I heard, the
# revisionists only claim that the documented deaths occurred.  That
# would be 74,000 for the Auschwitz complex.

Well, "Holocaust revisionists" claim very strange things. For
instance, that Belsen camp was in Poland (it was in Germany). 
For instance, that human beings can protect themselves against
cyanide gas by holding their breath. Etc.

Re your 74,000 figure: during 14-16 of May 1943,  SS-Sturmbannfuehrer 
Gricksch inspected Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, and wrote a report for 
SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler (see "Hitler and the 
Final Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California
Press, 1984, p. 142-143). In the report, he said that so far
500,000 Jews have been murdered in Auschwitz. Can you explain
how the figure decreased to 74,000 in 1945?


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 04:16:10 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Photographs from DACHAU Camp
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images

dachau01.jpg
Corpses of the inmates.

dachau02.jpg, dachau03.jpg:
Mass graves of murdered inmates near Dachau.

dachau04.jpg
Letter about conducting medical experiments in Dachau.

MedExp02.jpg
An inmate subjected to low-pressure experiment in Dachau.

MedExp04.jpg
An inmate subjected to freezing experiment in Dachau.


-Danny Keren


From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 17:44:06 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: 'Revisionist' Arithmetic? (Re: JEWS TRY AGAIN TO CLOSE DOWN ZUND
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[Followup = alt.revisionism]

WAHRHEIT  writes:

# Even the Soviets, when they captured Auschwitz, found
# documentation confirming that only 72,000 Jews died there,
# according to recently released Soviet documents.

I have to point out to you, yet again, that in 14-16 May, 1943,
SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Franke-Gricksch inspected Auschwitz, and 
wrote a report for SS-Col. von Herff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler, 
in which he states that so far 500,000 Jews have been murdered
in Auschwitz-Birkenau. See, for instance, "Hitler and the Final 
Solution", Prof. Gerald Fleming, University of California Press, 
1984, p. 142-143.

You seem to claim that, by 1945, the total number of the victims 
decreased to 72,000?

By the way, the camp had five huge crematoriums. Look at the following
photographs of them and of a related document:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/

furnace-capacity.jpg
Letter from Jahrling to Kammler, stating that the combined
crematoriums in Auschwitz-Birkenau can cremate 4,756 corpses
in 24 working hours.

Krema4.jpg
Crematorium no. 4 in Birkenau.

Furnace.jpg
Cremation furnaces in a Birkenau crematorium.

Can you possibly explain why such tremendous cremation capacity
was necessary, if 72,000 people died in the camp? It's a large number, 
indeed, but one small crematorium would certainly suffice to dispose 
of their corpses over 5 years. Why build all these huge crematorius
if they were not necessary?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Fri Dec  6 17:44:07 PST 1996
Article: 84128 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
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p@q.r (Advance) writes:

# There are no signs of any disturbed earth that would be the
# evidence of destroyed or dismantled buildings.  

Says who? What signs would be there, months after the camp was
dismantled? 

# Continue to refuse to look at the pictures all you like.  

What pictures?

# Majdanek is worse when you are ready to do into it.

Huh? "do into it"? Lay off the cheap wine, Matt. Get a job,
and then you'll have enough money to buy some good stuff, you
163-IQ'ed unemployed leech.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:02 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Dresden
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

## [A long article about Dresden]

# Was this author there, Miss Flower?

Amazing. "rblackmore", the lying Nazi apologist [1], was not
in the Nazi concentration camps during WW2, yet he claims to
know exactly what happened in them. Why does he have a 
problem when someone who was not in Dresden claims to know
what happened there?


-Danny Keren.

[1] - of the numerous lies and misinformation posted by 
      "rblackmore", one of the most striking was his claim
      that "the SS executed Amon Goeth (commandant of Plaszwo
      camp) for mistreating Jews", while in reality Goeth was
      tried and executed by the Poles after the war.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:03 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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The lying Nazi apologist, "rblackmore@juno.com" [1], writes:

[comment about Dr. Kremer's Auschwitz diary]

What about the following excerpt from the diary?

 Notes from diary of SS-Doctor Kremer, while in Auschwitz
 ['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The
 Free Press,  NY, 1988, p. 256-268]
 ----------------------------------------------------------
 2 September 1942

 3.00 a.m. attended my first Sonderaktion. Dante's Inferno seems to
 me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the
 extermination camp for nothing!



"They don't call Auschwitz the extermination camp for nothing!".

"Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this".

Sounds pretty bad. Not something one would write about an
innocent "labor camp".


-Danny Keren.

[1] - of the numerous lies and misinformation posted by
      "rblackmore", one of the most striking was his claim
      that "the SS executed Amon Goeth (commandant of Plaszwo
      camp) for mistreating Jews", while in reality Goeth was
      tried and executed by the Poles after the war.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:04 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Never Trust a Nazi (Re: never trust a confession)
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rblackmore@juno.com writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

## Incredibly enough, the lying Nazi apologist continues to make
## this claim, although even the "revisionists" admit that there
## are still cyanide compounds in the walls of the Auschwitz-Birkenau
## gas chambers.

# I always admitted this as well, so why are you deliberately posting
# misleading remarks, Doctor Keren?  The minute compounds found
# in the walls at Auschwitz Birkenau were very minute and certainly not
# evidence that millions of people were murdered there. 

Rubbish. The compounds are not "minute", and are certainly
consistent with homicidal gassing. Delousing will indeed produce
a larger amount of compounds, because it takes a much longer 
time, but the amounts in the gas chambers are certainly consistent
with homicidal gassing.

# The compounds were consistent with the general practice of the 
# Nazis to delouse all areas regularly with Zyklon B.

Nope. Many samples in the camp were negative.

## This makes the gassing in that camp one of only events in WW2
## for which there is forensic evidence.
## There is, for instance, no forensic evidence to the bombing of
## Dresden, or to the alleged deaths of 3 million German civilians
## after the war.

# Only the reports of the German Red Cross at the time

According to "revisionists", such reports don't count. Also,
they don't serve as forensic evidence.

# along with a score of photos....

Photos of what? Photos of 3 million corpses? You have ZERO forensic
evidence. ZERO. According to your standards, this mass death of
German civilians after the war never took place.

# where are your photos of a gas chamber in action

Right here (from the well-known gassing in Mogilev, supervised
by Arthur Nebe and Dr. Widmann). I'm trying to find better copies,
though, than the poor xerox copies I have.

Now, let's see. You claim that millions of German civilians were
murdered after the war. Another common claim is that millions
of German women were raped by Soviets soldiers. Now, I'm not
into this habit of yours of spitting on graves and of mocking
the memory of the dead, so I won't say it never happened. However,
do you have photographs of these events? 

If not, according to your own standards, they never took place.

# The bodies we see in certain photos from Auschwitz died
# as a result of the many dangerous epidemics which spread 
# throughout the camp.

You were not there, yet you know more than every person who was
there what happened? Is this a joke? 


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:05 PST 1996
Article: 84265 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'Some bodies fell out'
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <57si5p$fbg@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <5824qv$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a78888.79937316@news.zilker.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:30:42 GMT
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Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig, testifying about one of the first 
gassings in Sachsenhausen, in which Soviet POW's were murdered
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 54]
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I was told that the people who had climbed into the truck were
Russians who would otherwise have had to be shot. They were looking
for a different way of killing them. We then went to another place,
where we met the truck again. It was near the crematory oven. I can
still remember that one could see through a peephole or a small
window into the inside of the truck, which was lit up. One could see
that the people were dead.  The van was opened. Some bodies fell
out; the others were unloaded by prisoners. Those of us who were
chemists could ascertain that the bodies had that pinkish look which
is typical of victims of carbon monoxide poisoning.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:06 PST 1996
Article: 84268 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <329ba952.15778030@199.0.216.204> <32a2df3e.351684@199.0.216.204>
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Even though the 1944 photograph shows Treblinka to be nothing
# more than a clearing, agriculture, some trees and three or four
# buildings, 

Could this have anything to do with the fact that the camp was
partially destroyed in the sonderkommando rebellion, and then 
dismantled (in 1943)?

What about the huge amounts of human remains and ashes in the camp?

# Holocaust accounting has it the camp was over-run by the
# Soviets while it was still in full operation.

You're either hallucinating, or confusing it with
Maidanek. Treblinka was dismantled long before the Soviets
occupied the area.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:07 PST 1996
Article: 84284 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Good Old Days-Pogrom at Kaunas
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32a68dbb.22013216@news.uniserve.com> <19961206105100.FAA18719@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:36:03 GMT
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tutu101@aol.com writes:

# I find it curious that the more effective a person's post
# is, the more they are insulted.

You are a very nice person and we all love you.

 :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:08 PST 1996
Article: 84286 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Mass Murder in BELSEN Camp (Re: 'Some bodies fell out')
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32a78888.79937316@news.zilker.net> <588ij6$atj@juliana.sprynet.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:38:22 GMT
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The following photos are in

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images

They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
William Hodge and Company, 1949.  

belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
         
The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
       
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/

Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
             and Belsen). 

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/

Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
              corpses in Belsen.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/

Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
              II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 09:54:09 PST 1996
Article: 84289 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Dr. Becker Implements National Socialism
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References:  <581v3s$5kd@juliana.sprynet.com> <588kf6$eij@surz03fi.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE>
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Letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942
[Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
Off., 1946, Vol III, p. 418]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I ordered the vans of group D to be camouflaged as house trailers by
putting one set of window shutters on each side of the small van and
two on each side of the large vans, such as one often sees on farm
houses in the country. The vans became so well known, that not only
the authorities but also the civilian population called the van "death
van", as soon as one of these vehicles appeared. It is my opinion the
van cannot be kept secret for any length of time, not even
camouflaged...

Besides that, I ordered that during application of gas all the men
were to be kept as far away from the vans as possible, so they should
not suffer damage to their health by the gas which eventually would
escape. I should like to take this opportunity to bring the following
to your attention: several commands have had the unloading after the
application of gas done by their own men. I brought to the attention
of those S.K [Special Kommando] concerned the immense psychological
injuries and damages involved to their health that this work can have
for those men, even if not immediately, at least later on. The men
complained to me about head-aches which appeared after each unloading.
Nevertheless they don't want to change the orders, because they are
afraid prisoners called for that work could use an opportune moment to
flee. To protect the men from these damages, I request orders to be
issued accordingly.

The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to
come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator
to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer
death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My
directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers
death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted
faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer
noticed.




-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 17:12:48 PST 1996
Article: 84350 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk> <32a7265a.11505015@news.demon.co.uk>  <32a70328.56592852@news.gte.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:11:16 GMT
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p@q.r (Advance) writes [to me]:

# Another lie but then, please provide a copy of the email and
# a POC at your ISP for verification, please.

This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the
senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be 
mail-bombed if he doesn't limit my postings. 



# From mgiwer@gte.net  Mon Nov 18 10:09:36 1996
# Received: from mail.gte.net (sm1.gte.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0)
# 	id AA18171; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:14:39 -0500
# Received: from LOCALNAME (tpm228028.gte.net [207.115.228.28]) by mail.gte.net (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AutoCF) via SMTP id EAA11366; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600
# Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600
# Message-Id: <199611181009.EAA11366@mail.gte.net>
# X-Sender: mgiwer@gte.net
# X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2
# Mime-Version: 1.0
# Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
# To: root@world.std.com
# From: Matt Giwer 
# Subject: spamming
# 
#         Would you please ask your user to stop spamming the alt.revisionism
# conference with holocaust material?  It would be much appreciated.  Although
# this is clearly an unmoderated conference, his spams are making it unusable
# for its intended purpose.  This is but one of many examples.  
# 
#         This has gone on for over a year now since I first started objecting
# to his spamming.  I have previously limited it to public posting in the
# newsgroup.  At this point I know that the patience of many of the users of
# the conference are losing patience with his spamming and have suggested
# returning his spams to his provider also.  
# 
#         Why not save yourself some hassle and try to slow him down?  Just an
# attempt to help out here.  
# 
#         Thank you for your time.  
# 
# Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
# Path: news1.gte.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!dkeren
# From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
# Subject: 'the thirty to forty women were dead'
# Message-ID: 
# 
# 
# -Danny Keren.
# ---------------------------------------------------------------
#      Live fast, love well, and have a glorious Website.
# 
#               http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/
#           Commentary from the right side of the curve
# Maintaining http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/tech/ (tips and tricks for webs)
#  http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/mgiwer4/ (eye candy, blantant advertising)
#             http://www2.combase.com/~matt/  (my son)
# http://www2.combase.com/~matt/mega/ (for internet advertising)




-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Sat Dec  7 17:12:48 PST 1996
Article: 84354 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Pederasty Allegation: Drop It (was Re: What Is 'rblackmore' Up To?)
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <32A58F0C.3B56@rio.com> <588kto$atj@juliana.sprynet.com> <32a96b3a.2742582@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <32A849AF.32BF@rio.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:52:36 GMT
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I have to agree with Chuck Ferre on this one, for the
following reasons:

1) The messages posted on alt.acadia, trolling for
   teenagers, were posted from "rblackmore's" account.
   The default assumption is that if messages are
   posted from X's account, X posted them.

   More so because, usually, if someone is posting from
   the account of someone else, he/she will add something
   like "I am not this and that, I'm really <...>, using
   this account". Nothing like was posted as I recall.

2) I see no reason to believe anything from "rblackmore".
   The man's clearly a revolting liar, and I can easily
   demonstrate this by using his articles on alt.revisionism.
   I see no reason to believe his claim that someone
   else posted these messages from his account, unless
   he proves it to us. Note that he offered no proof.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec  8 12:02:08 PST 1996
Article: 84474 of alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <56cpto$cj9@rockall.cc.strath.ac.uk>  <32a826d8.5112089@news.gte.net> <58db8m$s0k$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:27:55 GMT
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:

# Mr. Giwer would just love to have Dr. Keren post Giwer's e-mail
# bomb, so he could run to Dr. Keren's ISP and accuse him of
# polluting the Internet.

There seems to be a confusion here. Giwer sent a 5 meg e-mail
bomb to Mr. McVay a few months ago. As a result, he got the
boot from netcom. As I recall, Giwer claimed the e-mail bomb
was really a reply to something Mr. McVay asked him.

More recently, in the spirit of supporting free speech,
Giwer sent an abusive e-mail to my ISP, demanding to limit
my postings on alt.revisionism, and added the threat that
if my ISP does not comply, he will be e-bombed.

I posted this mail from Giwer a few times already, including
twice today.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Sun Dec  8 12:02:09 PST 1996
Article: 84478 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
Message-ID: 
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
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[Followup = alt.revisionism]

olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

# It is defamatory to claim that the whole of Europe was
# responsible for what these Germans did or did not do.

Who's making that claim?

## If the Holocaust were truly a manufactured event, why didn't
## the Germans point this out?

# Because they were not allowed to. The Nuremberg court was
# kangaroo court.

Stop with this foolishness. The war trials held by the Allies
were not, at any rate, a "kangaroo court", except for in the
demented minds of Holocaust deniers and other Nazi kooks.

A common claim you crazies make is "there was no cross-
examination of witnesses in those trials". How odd. I have
"The Belsen Trial" with me, and every witness is cross-
examined. Care to explain?

Bet you'll explain it just after you explain your argument
as for why it would have been "difficult" to cremate many
corpses in Auschwitz-Birkenau. You said that the corpses
would "violently explode" in the furnaces, damaging them...

You're a nut, Kreiberg. Live with it.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:40 PST 1996
Article: 84521 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
References: <579q7e$c8d@Vir.com> <32a76498.7982195@news.gte.net>  <32a8ce91.3025873@news.gte.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 22:28:36 GMT
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p@q.r (Advance) writes:

# No one says it.  There are no such sings in the aerial
# photo.

No signs to what?

# Once soil is disturbed to the point of mixing topsoil
# with lower soil, as has to happen in laying the foundations
# of buildings as much as in removing them, the fertility of
# that mixed soil is different.

How is it different? Can you prove this claim? How exactly
is it relevant to what we're discussing here?

# It takes YEARS for the soil to return to the local average.

Says who?

# And until the fertility is the same the pattern of
# vegetation shows the difference in fertility.

Says who?

# The aerial photos of course, pages 84 and 85 on Ball's book.
# Shall I scan them in and post them here?

Sure, why not? I looked at Ball's web site. The man obviously
cannot handle third-grade arithmetic. I'll post more on this
soon.

# The photos are still the photos.  ALL OF THE WITNESSES
# claiming to describe it and what happened there clearly lied.

Go ahead. Prove it to us. But don't use arguments like the
senile, unemployed Matt Giwer uses (see below). You know
him, BTW?


-Danny Keren.

 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:41 PST 1996
Article: 84572 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Schwarzhuber Testifies About Ravensbrueck
Message-ID: 
Organization: The World, Public Access Internet, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:10:46 GMT
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SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Johann Schwarzhuber testifies about gassing
in the Ravensbrueck concentration camp
[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 187]
-----------------------------------------------------------------
At the end of February 1945 I was called with Dr. Trommer to the
office of the camp commandant, Sturmbannfuehrer Suhren. Suhren
informed us that he had received an order from Reichsfuehrer Himmler
to liquidate all the women who were sick or unable to walk. Before
giving us this information, he asked us how many sick women there 
were in the camp. I explained to the commandant that I had been glad to
leave Auschwitz and would not like to repeat that experience. He then 
told me that Sturmbannfuehrer Sauer, deputy to the camp commandant, had 
been put in charge of the execution.

 .
 .
 .

I witnessed a gassing. A hundred and fifty women, all at once, were
pushed into the gas chamber. Hauptscharfuehrer Moll ordered the women
to undress and told them that a delousing was going to take place. They 
were then pushed into the chamber, and the door was bolted. A male 
prisoner, wearing a gas mask, climbed up onto the roof and, through 
an opening which he closed again immediately afterward, threw a can of 
gas into the room. I heard groans and moans. After two or three minutes, 
there was silence in the chamber.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:41 PST 1996
Article: 84592 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann Testifies About Auschwitz
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Testimony of SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Hofmann, about his days at Auschwitz
[Quoted from "Auschwitz: A Report on the Proceedings Against Robert 
Karl Ludwig Mulka and Others Before the Court at Frankfurt", By Bernd 
Naumann, 1966, published by Frederick A. Praeger, NY, p. 50-1]
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The Jews were asked to line up. It was my job to preserve calm and
order. The selection was carried out by doctors. The instructions
were issued by the commandants or by Grabner. Sometimes entire
transports were gassed. At times many able-bodied workers were
selected, at other times fewer. The percentage was specified in
advance. It was determined by the need for workers.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:42 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Dr. Klein Testifies About Auschwitz
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Testimony of SS-Obersturmfuehrer Dr. Fritz Klein 
[Quoted in "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips, William Hodge and
Company, 1949.p. 717]
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When transports arrived at Auschwitz it was the doctor's job to pick
out those who were unfit or unable to work. These included children, 
old people and the sick. I have seen the gas chambers and crematoria 
at Auschwitz, and I knew that those I selected were to go to the gas
chamber. But I only acted on orders given to me by Dr. Wirtz.

 .
 .
 .

I never protested against people being sent to the gas chambers, 
although I never agreed. One cannot protest when in the army.


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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

[fascinating stories deleted]

# Ah yes, good old photographic evidence.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/w/wetzel.erhard/images/
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/r/rascher.sigmund/


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# WE do not know this. It has been claimed. 

It has been proved. 

# IT HAS BEEN CLAIMED that Mr Giwer sent an e-mail bomb. However, 
# this claim has been refuted by Mr Giwer.

No. He admitted to having sent a 5-meg e-mail. He justified it,
as I recall, as being a response to one of Mr. McVay's questions.

# Apparently he does not. See his follow up to your posting
# in this thread. What he has asked you for in the form of 
# evidence for the claim you are repeating would be most welcome.

No, you're talking about something different, namely, the e-mail
Giwer sent to my ISP. He demanded that my postings be limited, and
warned my ISP that he will be e-mail bombed if he doesn't comply.
I posted that e-mail a few times. If you missed it, I'll post it
again.

# Come on Danny, I think you have to agree that it is more than an
# assumption that SS (alias Monica) does not like Matt Giwer.

I don't like him either. The question is, however, did he violate
Internet ethics? He obviously did.

# However, more to the point: Do you consider it an act worthy of
# termination of service?

You mean posting articles made to look as if someone else posted
them? Sure, it's an act worthy of termination of service. 

# Danny, there are other groups who believe all that you know - the
# Christians and the Moslems. Rest assured , you are not alone in
# your mistaken beliefs.

What, exactly, are my "mistaken beliefs"? I really don't know what
you're talking about.



-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:44 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: The Soviet movie
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Where can one find this movie?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:45 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

# No bodies.  No ashes.  No holocaust.

Two major problems here:

1) Numerous corpses and human remains (including ashes) were found.
   See, for instance:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images

2) According to your line of "reasoning", Stalin's atrocities
   never took place, nor the alleged mass death of German civilians
   after WW2, as no one can display the corpses of the victims of
   these events.

   Neither can you show us one - ONE - corpse of someone who died
   in the bombing of Dresden. According to your own standards, the
   city was never bombed. It is really very simple.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 05:18:45 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Gore with the ultimate anti-Semitism.....
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

[to me]

# As you know, no physical evidence of mass extermination was ever
# introduced and all testimony regarding it was without foundation.

The physical evidence includes:

1) Many documents and photographs.
2) Some of the gas chambers, with cyanide traces on their walls.
3) Numerous corpses and huge amounts of human remains in some
   of the camps.

So, there is far greater physical evidence to the Holocaust than
for, say, Stalin's atrocities.
 
# BTW:  If this was a fair trial without intimidation of pressure
# upon the defendants, why were their families arrested? 

Sigh. I quote here many witnesses. If you know of one case of a
witness I quote whose family was arrested, tell us about it.

# And while we are at it, do you consider it "fair" for the allies to
# introduce into evidence against the defendents a movie for which some
# two hundred men were dressed in Soviet uniforms and murdered?  

I have no idea what you're talking about. Is this a recent 
discovery from Zundel's South-Pole UFO base?


-Danny Keren.


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In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 08:05:51 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

# Moran is here bragging about how he was able to beat
# traffic tickets.

Goes to prove we Jooooos don't control the courts yet. Yo!
McOyVay! We can take back the yacht, you "renegade shaboz
goy", you!

  :-)


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Mon Dec  9 16:04:15 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen
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somewhere@sometime.soon (Real soon!) writes:

# Noting that Keren is one whose smoke doesn't go to the top of his
# chimney, it is not surprising that he has refused to post this
# threat he claims was made.

Yet again, here's the e-mail the senile drunkard sent to my ISP.

It's no wonder that the drunkard, after denying events that took
place 50-60 years ago, now denies what happened a few weeks ago.
I guess this is the "new revisionism"?

What's next? Denying events BEFORE they happen? :-)

This is the e-mail Matt Giwer sent to my ISP. Note that the
senile, unemployed drunkard also warns the ISP that he will be 
mail-bombed if he doesn't limit my postings. 



# From mgiwer@gte.net  Mon Nov 18 10:09:36 1996
# Received: from mail.gte.net (sm1.gte.net) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0)
# 	id AA18171; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:14:39 -0500
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# Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 04:09:36 -0600
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# X-Sender: mgiwer@gte.net
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# Mime-Version: 1.0
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# To: root@world.std.com
# From: Matt Giwer 
# 
# 
# -Danny Keren.
# ---------------------------------------------------------------
#      Live fast, love well, and have a glorious Website.
# 
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#  http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/mgiwer4/ (eye candy, blantant advertising)
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-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:21 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
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somewhere@sometime.soon (Real soon!) writes:

[to me]

# You have claimed a few samples (far from huge) in one
# incredible description.  

"incredible description"? Lay off the cheap wine, jobless one.

# Yet there is no sign of the thousands of tons of remains
# that are required to match the lies the witnesses told.

The volume over which ashes were found is entirely consistent
with the number of victims. If you could handle third-grade
arithmetic, you would realize that. But, just like John Ball,
you cannot; more to follow.

# That is another lie told by the witnesses.  The aerial photo
# shows not the least sign of this.

Not the least sign of what?


-Danny Keren.

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In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Dr. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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Testimony of Dr. Hans W. Muench 
[Quoted in "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military 
Tribunals" - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol.
VIII, p. 313-321]
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Q. What was your first impression of Auschwitz when you arrived?

A. I had already heard about extermination camps, and particularly
   extermination camps for Jews, through reports over the Swiss radio
   that I listened to regularly in the preceding years, but since I
   considered this news to be propaganda, I did not believe it at the
   time, because the facts that were being described seemed too 
   terribly outrageous to me. When I arrived in Auschwitz, and had to
   convince myself personally that these reports were not exaggerated, 
   I was very much shaken emotionally.
 
 .
 .
 .


Q. Mr. witness, you were informed about the fact that human beings were
   gassed at Auschwitz?

A. Yes.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, for what reason did you not spread the fact that human
   beings were being gassed and exterminated?

A. I was asked this very often and also before the Supreme Court of 
   Cracow, and I can say in answer to it that that would have been a 
   completely useless undertaking which would have very shortly caused 
   me and my family to be liquidated very quickly, because the Gestapo 
   was so well organized and the threats for nonobservance of the 
   secrecy that surrounded the Auschwitz exterminations were so clearly 
   worded for members of the SS that everybody avoided telling even his 
   closest friend about it, because experience taught us that anybody 
   who talked about it in any way was very quickly found because the 
   Gestapo sniffed out every rumor very consistently that spread about 
   Auschwitz.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, what would you say if someone visited a plant in
   Auschwitz twice or three times a year for a period of one or two
   days? Would he then have to gain knowledge about these things?

A. I repeatedly witnessed guided tours of civilians and also of
   commissions of the Red Cross and other parties within the camp,
   and I was able to ascertain that the camp leadership arranged it
   masterfully to conduct these guided tours in such a way that the 
   people being guided around did not see anything about inhuman
   treatment. The main camp was shown only and in this main camp there
   were so-called show blocks, particularly block 13, that were
   especially prepared for such guided tours and that were equipped 
   like a normal soldier's barracks with beds that had sheets on them, 
   and well-functioning washrooms. 

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, did you personally ever witness the gassing of human
   beings?

A. Yes, I saw one gassing at one time.

 .
 .
 .

Q. Mr. witness, you testified a little earlier that those who were sick
   in the camps, like in concentration camp Monowitz, would be sent to
   Auschwitz-Birkenau, but I wasn't quite clear as to why they were 
   sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. I'd like to put just a question or two 
   to you on that. Mr. witness, those people who were in the hospital 
   at Monowitz and were shipped to Auschwitz-Birkenau because of an
   edema or phlegmon, for what purpose were they shipped to Birkenau?

A. As far as these people were Jews, I must state that most of them
   were gassed.


Q. And, Mr. witness, if they were sent from the hospital in Monowitz to
   Auschwitz-Birkenau, and they were Jews; and they were sent because 
   of weakness and collapse, why were they sent to Birkenau?

A. Also to be gassed.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:23 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: never trust a confession
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

# The arial photos contradict all of the perjuring
# witness claims.

What "arial photos" contradict what the witnesses claim?
I have yet to see one. You're simply inventing these
preposterous claims. Worse, you just quote what John
Ball - a man who cannot handle third-grade arithmetic -
claims.

# No significant quantity of human remains have ever been found,

In Treblinka, over a large area, up to a depth of 7.5 meters.
That's not a "significant quantity"?

# Only one building that is so identified and it had a
# delousing chamber in it, as per the archives opened by Russia.

Please don't tell me you're now claiming LK I was a delousing
chamber? What about all the other chambers? Why do the documents
mention "gassing cellar", and "gas chamber"?

# Sorry about that, "some" is not ten thousand mass graves.

As noted, it is not a realistic demand that ALL the corpses
of the victims to a genocide will be produced, to prove
that the genocide took place. Following that "logic", it is
impossible to prove any genocide took place.

# They are  not found while the mass graves filled by Stalin
# are found regularly.

Rubbish. Show us 10 million corpses. Go ahead. Show us the
corpses from Dresden. Go ahead. You can't.


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 05:42:23 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jew Admits: "Yeah. We Control Media.  What of it?"
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On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Doc Tavish wrote:

[bla-bla-bla]

## yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
## Marty Kelley  writes:

[Lists of films in which Jews are portrayed in a negative
 fashion, in response to "Doc Tavish" who posted this
 never happens]

I would also add "Carlito's Way", with Al Pacino. The Jewish
lawyer (Sean Penn) is one of the most evil characters ever to
appear in a movie.

# If anyone of you Yids can tell all of us one movie that shows
# me wrong I will lick the floors of the Jew Simon Weaselthal
# Center clean with my tongue.

You do that, nazi-boy. But wash your tongue first.


-Danny Keren.




From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 09:31:41 PST 1996
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seneca  writes:

# Ernst Zundel must be the most courageous man on Earth.

Ernst Zundel called to ban the TV series "Holocaust".

Ernst Zundel called to ban the movie "Schindler's List".

Yet, he claims to support free speech.

In addition to denying the Holocaust, Ernst Zundel also
claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich
using "secret UFO's", and that they flew them into the
center of the earth via a "hole in the South-Pole".

He also wrote that he met some of the "German scientists"
who "designed and built" the UFO's.

He asked people to give him money, to support an
expedition to find the UFO base.

All this is well-documented. You can find it all, in
Zundel's own publications, in Nizkor's site.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:43 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Kube Reports His Work: 10 Weeks, 55,000 Murdered
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Report from Kube, General Commissioner of White Ruthenia,
to Gauleiter Lohse, Reich Commissioner for the Ostland,
31 July 1942
[Quoted from "Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg
 Military Tribunals", Vol. IV, pages 191-193]
 ---------------------------------------------------------

During detailed consultations with the SS Brigadefuehrer Zenner 
and the extremely capable Chief of the SD, 
SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. jur. Strauch, we found that we had 
liquidated approximately 55,000 Jews in White Ruthenia during 
the past 10 weeks. In the Minsk-Land area, the Jewry was completely 
exterminated without endangering the allocation of labor in any way. 
In the prevailing Polish Lida area, 16,000 Jews, in Slonim 8,000
Jews, etc., were liquidated. 

[...]

In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on 28 and
29 July, 6,500 of whom were Russian Jews - mainly old people, women,
and children - the remainder consisted of Jews unfit for work, most 
of whom had been sent to Minsk from Vienna, Brno, Bremen, and Berlin
in November of the previous year at the Fuehrer's orders.





From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:44 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Goebbels Writes that 60 Percent of the Jews Will Be Liquidated
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The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] diaries, March 27, 1942: 
[The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948, 
p. 147-148]
-----------------------------------------------------------
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government 
[Nazi occupied Poland] are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure 
is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. 
Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 
60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent 
can be used for forced labor.
 

 
 
-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 12:44:44 PST 1996
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Treblinka mass graves
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# Nope. The testimonial evidence for the Holocaust has it
# Treblinka was over run while it was still in full bloom.
# Nizkor files/Old Frogs Almanac.

Where? Which files? What is the original source quoted in
these files? You have to be more specific. There are many
files in the site you mention.

# Treblinka never was a "camp" of any kind.

Tommy, you can't just say such things and expect to be
taken seriously by any rational person, more so as you
offer no support whatsoever for your claim.

When you were a five-year-old, you could just say things,
and that would be ok; that's what five-year-olds do. But
you're now sixty-years-old, right? You have to try and
justify your claims.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Tue Dec 10 13:34:05 PST 1996
Article: 84911 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: RBlackmore, spews more bile and chokes on it... Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:

# What facts?  You appear to be pointing to testimony
# manufactured by the Soviets.

What was "manufactured by the Soviets"? One example, please.

What about the numerous SS-men who testified in German
courts?

# Do not forget that the Soviets went so far as to build a
# guillotine and kill a couple hundred people with it just
# to create evidence against the Nazis.

You're really crazy, aren't you? Can you tell us, perhaps,
where this "guillotine" can be found?

Seek medical help, Matt. And get a job. Too much time at
home with noting to do, drives ya crazy.

# The bottle?  Would you care to explain how that libel,
# even if true, would have any bearing upon what is posted?

It obviously influences what you write. See the example
below. Only someone who's either drunk, insane, or both,
would write something like that.


-Danny Keren.


 ---
In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, "leading
revisionist" Matt Giwer suggested that documents about a "gas
chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't
prove anything, as they were really due to "a morbid sense of 
humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 11 06:34:30 PST 1996
Article: 85004 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: "Air Photo Evidence" - Treblinka
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

# No. There was no rebellion. There were no buildings.

So, that's the new "revisionist breakthrough"?

First, to claim that there was a camp, but that it was
a "transit camp"; and next, to claim there was nothing
at all?

Incredible, I tell you, incredible.

# Nizkor "treblinka .02" quotes from the "Old Frogs
# Almanac" - "When the Russians took over the Treblinka
# complex and the nearly dead survivors ... there was no
# lack of physical evidence".

If your quote is accurate, this is, indeed, a mistake
on the part of the person who wrote this for Nizkor.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Wed Dec 11 06:34:30 PST 1996
Article: 85009 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Endurance) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## According to your line of "reasoning", Stalin's atrocities
## never took place, nor the alleged mass death of German civilians
## after WW2, as no one can display the corpses of the victims of
## these events.

# As I have noted many times, the graves of those who died in
# Stalin's overt actions such as mass starvation are well known and
# marked.  As to his "knock in the middle of the night" executions,
# those graves are regularly found.

This is, plain and simple, garbage. You know very well that you
cannot show us the graves of 10 million Soviets who died under
Stalin's rule; you know very well that you cannot show us the
graves of the 2-3 million German civilians who allegedly died
after WW2. You're lying through your teeth.

# I have pointed this out to you so many times that every lurker
# must  have read it at least five times and five times noted that
# you never respond to it.

I responded each and every time, by saying that you're lying, and
that these graves cannot be found. I also keep asking you to
tell us where these graves and these corpses are, but you never
do; like some lame-brained parrot, you keep saying they exist,
but never tell us where.

Are you, FINALLY, ready to tell us where these graves are?

If you don't, then you must realize that you have "proved" that
not is the Holocaust a "hoax", but that Stalin's atrocities,
the deaths in Dresden etc are also a "hoax".


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:01 PST 1996
Article: 85148 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: `Racism' in Australia
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

# As has been exhaustively discussed already, we outsiders do not 
# know all the details of all the events concerned. A great deal of
# speculation and claims from supposedly injured parties. No proof 
# of anything.

Not true. We know, for instance, that Giwer sent an e-mail bomb
to Ken McVay, and that this was the reason netcom gave him the
boot. Mr. McVay posted the URL with the mailbomb that Giwer 
sent him. Giwer admitted to having sent it. Good enough for you?

# You complained about Mr Giwer to Gate Net. NOT because of your
# allegations that he has sworn at you but because you don't like
# him.

That is your assumption. An objective person would conclude that
she - and others - complained because Giwer forged articles to
make them appear as if other posters to the group wrote them.

For instance, he forged articles to make them appear as if I
wrote them. He put "dkaren@world.std.com" in the author field,
in a lame and infantile attempt to defend himself from
complaints, as my real e-address is "dkeren@world.std.com".

# No one wants to silence him? No one wants to silence him?  

No. People want him to stop forging and to stop sending e-mail
bombs. Is this so hard to understand?

# How much more wanting to silence him can YOU get? What a 
# bloody liar you are!

You're the bloody liar here, old chap. Now, if you care about
freedom of speech, tell us why Giwer sent mail to my ISP,
demanding to close my account and threatening that he (my
ISP) will be bombed with e-mails if he doesn't?

# now all you need to do is realise that the Commandments
# were not Jewish, that the original of Moses was NOT a Jew 
# and that Noah was not a Jew either, or even real.

Oh, no! Please! Fergus, you can't do this to us! Please!
Have mercy on us poor Jews... PLEASE!!

 :-)


-Danny Keren.


From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:02 PST 1996
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redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:

[To me]

# Aha! So, now you are saying that Mr Giwer sent a 5 meg e-mail
# to McVay and _gave a reason_. Not the same as a mail bomb at all.

As I recall, he simply collected everything he ever posted into
a huge file, and bombed Mr. McVay's account with it. This is
harassment, plain and simple; sending someone 5 megs of e-mail
is harassment, there is no other name for it. 

[About Giwer's e-mail to my ISP]

# I found it very polite and well written.

I found it an abuse and a threat: to tell my ISP that he should
limit my postings, otherwise he'll be e-bombed with copies of
my articles. You can call it what you like; I really don't care
too much. Everyone will read the e-mail and decide for himself.

# This reminds me of when you claimed that Mr Giwer threatened
# to kill you based on a posting when he spoke of being in combat
# with you in the same army. It is such an unlikely circumstance
# that it cannot be taken as a threat.

It doesn't matter. What matters is the principle. Giwer's principle,
outlined in that threat, is that I cannot be trusted to be a loyal
American citizen; and that, under certain circumstances, I should
be killed without trial - and all this, because my opinion on a 
certain historical event is different from his.

If you think that's ok - fine. It's your right. Again, everyone
will decide for himself.

We are constantly told by "revisionists" that one should not be
judged by his opinion on historical events. And here's a very 
active "revisionist", who keeps referring to me as a "traitorous
scum", and threatens to kill me, the only reason being that my
opinion on a historical event is different from his.

You don't see a problem with that - fine.

## What, exactly, are my "mistaken beliefs"? I really don't
## know what you're talking about.

# So, if you are a Jew, you believe that Moses was a Jew who was
# found in the bullrushes, went up a mountain and got some laws from
# a god. You also believe that Noah was a Jew who built an ark and
# filled it with animals and survived a great flood. 

Just for the record, I don't think it says anywhere in the Old
Testament that Noah was a Jew, and I can't see how that could be
possible, as he lived long before Abraham, who was the first Hebrew.

Do I believe all these things? No. They are mythology. There's
Hindu mythology, Moslem mythology, Christian mythology, and also
Jewish mythology.

# If you do not believe these things, then how can you be a Jew?

I couldn't care less whether you, or anyone else for that matter,
classifies me as a Jew or not. No offense intended; it's a 
statement of fact.


-Danny Keren.



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wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes:
# minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote:

## And thus the holocaust and slavery numbers are so irrationally
## exaggerated because they are an expression of emotion rather 
## than reason.  

# the holocaust numbers are exaggerated?  says who?

Says "minesweeper@navy.water", a lame Nazi coward afraid to post
under his own name. He's one of the Nazis who, for some reason,
chose to deny what they consider to be the greatest achievement
of their Fuehrer.

They also say that documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing 
cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as 
they can be attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of 
the SS-men who wrote them.

Most of them, like "minesweeper@navy.water", are downright insane;
some are just cold-blooded liars. All of them, however, are stupid.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:22:03 PST 1996
Article: 85211 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: RBlackmore, spews more bile and chokes on it... Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:
# dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

## What was "manufactured by the Soviets"? One example, please.  

# The guillotine and the baskets full of heads and the fresh corpses
# in the movie of course.  

What movie? What corpses? Why do you assume the Soviets did it,
if anything like this ever took place? Methinks you're
hallucinating.

## What about the numerous SS-men who testified in German
## courts?

# Perhaps, like Goring, their wives and children had been
# arrested to send them a message.  

"Perhaps"? "Perhaps"??

It doesn't work that way. If you have any evidence whatsoever
that anything like that was done, present it. 

I repeat: find one single example among all the testimonies
I post here in which the family of the witness was harassed
in any way whatsoever. If you can't, stop lying about it.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 05:56:09 PST 1996
Article: 38583 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: WHY WE HATE CHRISTIANS, a petition
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wf3h@enter.net (bob puharic) writes:
# minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote:

## And thus the holocaust and slavery numbers are so irrationally
## exaggerated because they are an expression of emotion rather 
## than reason.  

# the holocaust numbers are exaggerated?  says who?

Says "minesweeper@navy.water", a lame Nazi coward afraid to post
under his own name. He's one of the Nazis who, for some reason,
chose to deny what they consider to be the greatest achievement
of their Fuehrer.

They also say that documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing 
cellar" in the Birkenau crematoriums don't prove anything, as 
they can be attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of 
the SS-men who wrote them.

Most of them, like "minesweeper@navy.water", are downright insane;
some are just cold-blooded liars. All of them, however, are stupid.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 06:05:37 PST 1996
Article: 119417 of alt.conspiracy
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Demjanjuk: Can His Defenders Document Their Claims?
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minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:

# Survivors of a camp with exactly five rather small buildings

So, you're saying Treblinka had buildings? You "revisionists"
should decide. Tom Moran just posted it had no buildings 
whatsoever.

# and no signs of anything else of interest that is.  

Except for human remains and ashes, over a large area, up to a
depth of 7 meters, as post-war excavations have discovered. But
you know that, don't you?

But then, what can one expect from someone who said that 
documents about "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar" in the 
Birkenau  crematoriums don't prove anything, as they can be 
attributed to a "morbid sense of humor" on part of the SS-men 
who wrote them? You "revisionists" are really something, Matt.


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:01 PST 1996
Article: 85224 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Value of photographic evidence
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

[About photographs taken at Nazi camps after the liberation]

# Photos of dead victims to Typhus because of
# the break down in German supply at the end of the war.

Not typhus; most of them were starved to death.

Why was the death rate in the "work camps" as high as 10
percent per month, as early as 1942, long before this
"break down in German supply at the end of the war"?

Why wasn't the death rate for other categories of prisoners,
such as Allied POW's, even close to that of the Jewish inmates?
About 3 percent of the Allied POW's died, during the whole
campaign. Why didn't this "break down in German supply at the 
end of the war" affect them?

Answer: very simple. They were not classified as "sub-humans"
by the Nazis, and were treated reasonably well.

Why weren't the Belsen inmates given water? The Nazis also ran
out of water? Oh, sure "the water pump broke down". Was there
any mass death among German civilians due to "water pumps
breaking down"?

You really think that anyone but your Nazi cohorts will accept
your lame apologetics for this mass murder?


-Danny Keren.



From dkeren@world.std.com Thu Dec 12 07:45:04 PST 1996
Article: 85225 of alt.revisionism
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From: dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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