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Prime History Sources to-date: The Unwanted by R. Marrus
AJC Publication Society Yearbook Series 1906-1920
History of "The Jews in the Eastern War Zone @1920" AJC
AJC's Dubnov (historian) From Congress of Vienna - Alex II.

Notes to date (except Marrus' Unwanted)

All material listed below (from the text) - there are no known added
personal opinions or comments.

KEY SENTENCE SEARCH AJC (campaign of extermination) 1916
              D639.J45A  AJC

The Jews in the Eastern War Zone

Introduction

Russia acquired the great bulk of her Jewish population through the
partitions of Poland from 1773 to 1795.

Period of Cruel Oppression

Alexander II assassinated in 1881 - elements of reaction took over
Russia. The May laws of Ignatieff (1882)

Abortive revolution of 1904-5 was followed by a "pogrom policy" of
unprecedented severity which lasted until the outbreak of the present
war.

The Pale of the Settlement

At the beginning of the war the number of Jews in the Russian Empire
was estimated at six million or more, comprising fully half of the
total Jewish population of the world. Ninety-five per cent. of these
six million people were confined by law to a limited area of Russia,
known as the Pale of Settlement, consisting of the fifteen
Governments of Western and Southwestern Russia, and the ten
government of Poland, much of which territory is now under the German
occupation.

A tremendous mass of special, restrictive legislation converted the
Pale into a kind of prison of six million inmates, guarded by an army
of corrupt and brutal jailers.

              The recent "Abolition" of the Pale

In August, 1915, the Council of Minister issued a decree permitting
the Jews of the area affected by the war to move into the interior
of Russia.

Hundred of thousands of Jews had been expelled from their homes
overnight by the act of military authorities.

The Jewish Question in Russia:

One-third will accept the Greek Church; one-third will emigrate to
America; and one third will die of starvation in Russia....

..denouncing the Jews, now to one invader and now to the other, as
spies and traitors.

through the official publication of orders which officially denounced
all Jews as spies and traitors

A million Jews were driven from their homes in a state of absolute
destitution.

All the liberal elements of Russia protested against this campaign of
extermination.

What Pale is this you are speaking of? There is no Pale; Kaiser
Wilhelm has abolished it!

The Jews are loyal and brave, and it is most inadvisable to pursue a
policy which might convert six million subjects into enemies!

The "Russki Invalid" the official journal of the War Department, in
the spring of 1915, definitely accused the Jews of disloyalty to the
State and of sympathy for Germany, and openly attributed Russian
disaster to this cause.

Order No. 89.

... among Russian Jews the Germans find reliable allies who, besides
supplying them with food, are often the best and unpaid spies, ...

..in March 1915, that the authorities began systematically to expel
Jews from all the Polish provinces, even those not occupied by German
troops......

Our adversaries hope to continue, even after the war, to use the
poisoned weapon of primitive race hatred which they have used until
now.

It was the million Jews of Galicia who were made to feel the full
burden of the war.

The situation of these refugees [one-half million from Galicia] is
somewhat better than that of the Jewish refugees in Russia, inasmuch
as the Government has placed them in concentration camps, attends to
their minimum wants and gives each one an allowance of 70 heller (14
cents) daily.

Thus the total number of Jews that have, in one way or another,
suffered immediately from the conditions of warfare equals over two
million people, representing one-third of the total Jewish population
of Russia.

Banished were Jewish men and women whose husbands, children, and
brothers, were shedding their blood for the fatherland.

It is said that Jewish soldiers in marching through polish cities
were forced to witness the expulsion of their wives and children. The
Jews were loaded in freight cars like cattle. The bills of lading
were worded as follows: "Four hundred and fifty Jews, en route to
[blank line in text].

Imagine at a time when every railway car is needed for transportation
of munitions, when from all sides are heard complaints about the lack
of means of transportation, the Government permits itself do such a
thing! At one station there stood 110 freight cars containing Jewish
exiles.

But even as it is, this war of extermination of the white race must,
in the end, be decided in favor of one of the two parties in the
conflict.


              Notes on [AJC] Sources of Information


For the purposes of this report it has been deemed advisable to
select, from the mass of material available upon the present status
of the Jews in Russia, only evidence based upon:

1. Official and semi-official reports of the Russian government
published in its official daily newspaper, "Pravitelstvenny Viestnik"
in its semi-official organ "Novoe Vremya' or in its military orders.

2. Debates and Proceedings in the Imperial Duma and in the Council of
the Empire, particularly evidence furnished by non-Jewish deputies or
evidence of Jewish deputies that has passed unchallenged or has been
challenged unsuccessfully by the Right benches.

3. Statements in the Liberal Russian press and the Jewish press
published in Russia, all of which have been rigorously censored.

4. Protests and manifestoes of non-Jewish organizations, parties and
leaders against the anti-Jewish policy of the government. These
protests have been made publicly and have passed unchallenged by the
Russian Government.

In brief, this report is based exclusively upon evidence furnished by
the Russian government itself, officially in its own press, or
countenanced by reason of the revision applied, through its military
and civil censorship, to the opposition press, or in public speeches
and declarations that have passed the government benches in the
imperial legislative chambers unchallenged.

Anti-Semites Dresden Sept 1882

1) oppose reinforcement
2) Jewish Question religion and race, etc
3) influence of Jews
4) separate nationality
5) emancipation fatal mistake
6) state propelled toward defeat
7) legalization
8) triumph over Judaism

Your royal sister - our Empress and Queen Victoria
system of starving five million parasites

1917 - 1920
Third Year of Europe's self extermination

1935

Germany

husbands, wives, and children of mixed marriages were separated.

A people that has lost it yesterday, possess no tomorrow.


American Jewish Year Book
American Jewish Committee's
The Jews in the Eastern War Zone

1) urging the Peace Conference regard the Jews as a national entity
with the use of their own language, that they be represented in the
League of Nations, and that they be recognized as entitled to payment
of compensation for losses produced by war and pogroms.

          * * * * * * * * * * * * *
History of the Jews in Russia & Poland
by S. M. Dubnov

The JPSA 5706-1946    DS135.R9 D8 Vol. 1,2, & 3

Key word Search:  DS117D7213 Vol. 5

Congress of Vienna - Alexander II

1825  holocaust
farming contract null & void 4.11.23
transplant all Jews by 1.1.1825

 . . . recall 1648-1658 . . . . .
destined to utter annihilation
opened bowels of women..live cats
six thousand Jews perished
draw upon Jews hatred of Poles
Jewish inhabitants had been exterminated.
art of exterminating Jews
1648-1658 one-tenth survived

Partitions of Poland 1772, 1793, 1795

Lakh, Zhyd and hound - all same faith bound
Revolution 1794
Russo-Prussian siege of Warsaw
Last Saxon King 1807
1809 Napoleon shattered Austria
1808  Mosaic religion barred
Jewish Policy Catherine II
Zhyds passport and head tax
exterminate innkeeping
a strange name
Expulsion from Villages 1805
half million Jews
Napoleon shatter Prussia 1806
stop the expulsion
postponing the transplantation
fatal thirty-fourth clause
dangerous to create groups of persecuted ..outcasts

The War of 1812
Poles on western side favored Napoleon
French hailed as saviors by oppressed Jews

Rabbi Shneor Zalman: "Should Bonaparte win. the wealth of the Jews
will increased....At the same time their hearts will be estranged
>from  Our Heavenly Father.

continuing: Tzar Alexander win, the Jewish hearts will draw nearer to
Our Heavenly Father, though the poverty of Israel may become greater
and his position lower.

ready to massacre all Jews
The great reaction of 1815-1848
two million Jews ... experiments
Jews ruined during the war
Statute of 1804 v. War of 1812
collect money from Jews for no purpose
wholesale persecutions
Senatorial ukase April 22, 1820
encroachment of the Jews upon right of owning slaves
ruin ten of thousands Jewish families
exterminate the sect
beginning of 1825 majority of rural Jews expatriated
turned out into the wide world
whether this human holocaust
was required in the interest of the country

In 1835 Council of State 1835
[expulsion from the villages]
while it ruined the Jews
[not] improved the condition of the villages
reduction  of the number of Jews in the monarchy
undesirable multiplication of Jews
forbidden to settle in Russia
iron vise of the Pale of the Settlement
of the pitiless expulsions
correctional measures - compulsory assimilation
Russian & Polish Jews - two million
turn millions of people into desparadoes
to wage war against the Russian revolution
by waging war against the Jews
ritual murder
Death to the Jews
Let all Zhyds be massacred


Easter 1903

pre mortal agonies
nails driven in their heads
eyes put out
children thrown from garrets
brains dashed out on stones
stomachs ripped open
breasts cut off
victims of rape

Bloody Sunday 1905
Jews ringleaders of the revolution
there will be no Zhyds in Russia
we Jews a cultured nation of six million
placed below the semi-savage aliens of Eastern Russia
no parfral in the entire history of humanity
fifty anti-Jewish pogroms
The Zyhds are eager for liberty
history is not yet in a position
latter half of October 1905
A reign of chaos ensued
fanning hatred against Jews

Emigration to America enormous proportions
1905-1906 230,000
50-75,000 annually
stop at 1911
Thirty Years War Czar against  Jewry since 1881

Jews nicknamed Beilises

1914

There is no room for two nationalities
sentencing to death two million Polish Jews

Back to 1881

Extermination of two and one-half millions
of mankind because they are - Jews

United States
Judge Noah Davis
take the whole three million Jews of Russia
transfer the Russian Jews to the U.S.

England
George III 1838-1820 - George V -1936

King of Great Britain and Ireland, Elector of Hanover

Emigration Schemes 1882
police action Jews adopting Christian names
Temporary rules 1882
merciless cruelty for more than a generation
exterminate them in the streets
exterminate them through agency of the law
wholesale expulsions of Jews
St. Petersburg, Moscow, Kiev, Kharkov
limit Jews military 5%
repentant assimilators
"Christ-Killers"

Promised Land - banks of the Mississippi

Tzars notation: 1883
"It is desirable to settle this question finally"
numerous conversions to Christianity
illegal Jewish settlements
new settling of Jews strictly prohibited
Article 1171 Penal Code
immediately expelled
goods confiscated

1881 8193 emigrants
1882 17,497
1883 6907
1884-1886 15,000 to 17,000 annually
1887 28,944
1988 31,256
1889 31,889

Louisiana, North & South Dakota, New Jersey
bulk primarily Ney York (cities)
the liberal professions
1890 gave public sanction to Jewish exodus
>from  the Russian Empire

miraculous escape of the imperial family
railroad accident October 17, 1888

Jews of England Nov. 5, 1890
Russian Law ...sentence of death
six million reduced to level of criminals
Five million remnants of a race
Sire! your Royal Sister, our Empress Queen

U.S.

alarmed about Russian-Jewish immigration
August 20, 1890
President Harrison laid before Congress
the Jewish question in Russia

Russia

Family names required to be posted
posted to poke fun at the names

Expulsions
March 29, 1891
expulsion Jews from Moscow
transportation prison


U.S.
faced with immigration tide
foreign loans
ghost of medieval Spain
1,000,000 to leave Russia

three millions Jews to Argentina

Hirsch's proposal 25 yrs - 3,250,000 Jews
to be removed from the monarchy
opposed to foreign immigration to England
destroying the five million Jewish parasites
3,000,000 Jews proposed transfer
living export material
relieving the passport tax
JCA 1891
millions would leave Russia
refuges in Berlin, Hamburg, Antwerp and London
emigration panic
result was financial crash
times of inquisition
fictitious conversion to Christianity

KEY WORD/PHRASE SEARCH AJC (campaign of extermination) 1916
              D639.J45A  AJC
RUSSIA
7,000,000 Jews suffered - 1,000,000 more than Belgium.
Burned Alive; Executed
Uncontrollable Hate
1,000,000 driven from homes or executed
campaign of extermination
1915 Expulsion Order
8,000 Jews declined to become Turkish subjects were expelled
Six million guilt of religion
Polish partition 1773-1795
Pogrom 1904-05   AJC 1906
Six million Jews
More than 95% of six million in Russian Pale
August 1915 Virtual Abolition of the Pale - Migrating En Masse
Hundreds of Thousands expelled overnight
Kaiser abolished the Pale 8/14[27] 1915
Jews oldest people on earth cult of gold and brains
If it has at last been recognized as expedient to remove that
shameful blot, the Pale, we ought to leave note even a small speck of
it.
Abolish the Pale entirely
six million Jews
two million Jews in the war zone
privileged five percent Jews allowed to escape
3,000 Jews annually exile themselves for education
Jewish Census
              Warsaw36.3%
              Lodz47.59%
              Lomza39.42%
              Kovno54.6%
              Vilna40%
              Grodno52.45%
              Bialostock65.62%
              Brest Litovsk78.81%
              Pinsk80.1%
              Birditcheff87.52%
the war fought out on the eastern side in Poland foredoomed the Jews
to Disaster appalling & almost irretrievable
Gospels of Hate
              Synod of 1542 their number [Jews] must not increase
under any circumstances
              Synod of 1733 their abject [Jews] & miserable condition
might
serve as God's infliction on infidels
Divide Et Impera  Jews vs. Poles
Jews were charged with treason - hung
Russians were converting six million Jewish subjects into enemies
Lie stories fabricated against Jews
Jews of Kurland expelled
Russian government denounced all it subject Jews as traitors
Jews to blame for Russian defeat
War Dept spring 1915 Jews were disloyal - therefore take Jewish
hostages
Order No 1193 General Staff April 27-May 10 1915 cautioning Jewish
soldiers too ready to surrender
Jews were embittered enemies of the Russian army
Japanese War 18,000 of 27,000 surrendered
Yiddish language similar to German
Six million Jews
Systematic expulsion of entire Jewish population (from the war zone)
March 1915 Expel all Jews from Polish provinces even those not
occupied by German troops
30% of the Jews of the empire
over 80% of population of towns absolutely denude of Jewish
populations
Jews of Kovno notified on May 3 (16) to leave not later than midnight
May 5(18) 1915
Jews treated like criminals, trains sealed, inmates found half dead,
sixteen with scarlet fever, one with typhus
Committee formed to aid the expelled
Total number of Jews expelled unknown...expulsions still going on
           600,000
           200,000
             9,600 families42,000 persons
           250,000
         1,092,000
Jews prefer to die of starvation than accept a lie
three of six million without means of support
300,000 Jews in Warsaw receive not a ruble for relief
Non Jews who spoke for Jews were despised
freight cars inadequate accommodations for 1/10
no food, sealed cars . . .  kept in cars for ten days
even Jewish military volunteers expelled when wounded
Germans used Poison Gas.. blamed on ruling classes
The Jews have been held collectively responsible for the acts of
individuals among them
poisoned weapons of primitive race hatred which they have used until
now
The Jewish Question
half a million Jews in the army
the Jewish Question
Jewish population mainly urban
the sorely tried Jewish nation gave the world religion, philosophy,
poetry

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY
Jewish population 2,250,000 one million in Galicia
Galicia Jews received the full burden of the War
Feb 12 1915 Grand Duke Nicholas
    1.   No person of Jewish Nationality may enter Galicia
    2.   No person of Jewish nationality may pass from one district
of Galicia to another
Military first sought Jewish Quarter then sought by four hundred
cossacks
set fire to synagogues
    The Jewish population fled before the invaders in vast numbers
Galicia refugees 500,000
Concentration Camps
ROUMANIA  July 1915
1,000,000 Jews
expel Jewish citizens of Roumania within 24 hours
Jews of Roumania cannot become citizens
Turkey's 50,000 Russian Jews virtually exiled

APPENDIX I.
Hundred Thousands driven from homes
Hundred Thousands homeless despair
200 towns
2,000 townlets or villages
suffered in the war
3,000,000 Jews are destitute
Suffering War two million Jews 1/3 Jewish population
phantoms of starvation and disease
succumbed in cellars

Applied for Relief
Warsaw        75,000
Vilna         12,000
Kielce         3,000
Konsk          4,000
Minsk          2,000
Prassnysh      1,500
Radom          2,000
Gussiatin      1,000
Lomzha         5,000
Khmelnic       1,500
numbers may be doubled without fear of exaggeration
Jews in Pale (uneducated) frequently omit to register marriage
Jews left Turkey to join English Army
Hundreds of Thousands of Jews who shed their blood on the battlefield
Jews were banished whose men were defending the fatherland
Jews treated as enemies
Jewish population outside law
1/2 million varabondage
Exiling
Mohilnitse 5,000 expelled in 24 hours
Jews were loaded in freight cars like cattle
Bills of Lading  450 Jews to [blank line]
Imagine at a time when every rail car is needed for transportation of
munitions
at one station 110 freight cars contained Jewish exiles
In this war of extermination of the white race

 * * * * *end of notes * * * * * *

Highlighted notes from library text - no known copyright restrictions
in the 1920's

Courteous requests for corrections or clarifications cheerfully
provided. Insults are treated as Denial of facts easily verified.

Maczuga Kaus



From a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep  5 08:23:49 PDT 1995
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In <42g162$t33@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Roger
Lustig) writes: 
>
>In article <42c1gv$rja@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
(Maczuga Kaus - cat3wog 'un-believer' ) writes:
>>Why does any historian deny that the Houston Chronicle printed an
>>article about "4,000,000" killed at "Auschwitz" ..."mostly Jews"? 
>
>Stop lying.  Nobody has denied this. 
********
The other two mentioned the number as the *total* death  toll
at Auschwitz, not the number of Jews, as Bauer is referring to.
    >>>>>>note: from your previous post!<<<<<<

When you say "Stop lying" Are you not denying that you wrote "not the
number of Jews"?
********

>
>However, even if it's true, it doesn't support either
>
>--Bauer's claim that historians cite that number
>--your claim that a number of 4 million *Jews* was cited.
>
>>One calls the Houston Chronicle a "third-rare" source.
>
>So what?  It's clearly not a reputable historian.
>
>>Another says he calls the Chronicle - the "Comical".
>
>Again, so what?  This does not bear on the irrelevance of 
>your information.
>
>>Rgardless of what anyone thinks of the Hearst Corporation, owners of
>>the Houston Chronicle - isn't that just DENIAL?
>
>No.  It's a plain and simple refutation of your claim that this
>supports Bauer's argument.
>
>>Why would any deny that the "Comical" printed the story - when it can
>>be verified so easily?
>
>Stop lying.  Nobody denies that they did.
>
>>But if you are a DENIER - you'll want to call me CrAzY.
>
>Who's a denier?  Give names and evidence--or just stop lying.
>
Are you denying that Bauer mentioned the "father of Holocaust
research"?

Maczuga






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In <42i2gk$n2p@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Roger
Lustig) writes: 
>
>In article <42hmkp$nm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) writes:
>>In <42g162$t33@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU
(Roger
>>Lustig) writes: 
>
>>>In article <42c1gv$rja@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
>>(Maczuga Kaus - cat3wog 'un-believer' ) writes:
>>>>Why does any historian deny that the Houston Chronicle printed an
>>>>article about "4,000,000" killed at "Auschwitz" ..."mostly Jews"? 
>
>>>Stop lying.  Nobody has denied this. 
>>********
>>The other two mentioned the number as the *total* death  toll
>>at Auschwitz, not the number of Jews, as Bauer is referring to.
>>    >>>>>>note: from your previous post!<<<<<<
>
>>When you say "Stop lying" Are you not denying that you wrote "not the
>>number of Jews"?
>
>No.  I'm pointing out that you're ignoring the word "mostly"
>in the article you quote.
>
>Roger

Well, to an ordinary person - 50,000 Gypsies out of 1,000,000 to
1,600,000 whichever the figure was is a very insignificant "mostly'
hardly worth the response "you're lying"!

Maczuga



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In <42ii83$joj@access1.digex.net> mstein@access1.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) writes: 
>
>    Followups to alt.revisionism only.
>
>In article <423jlf$mr1@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
>Maczuga Kaus - cat3wog 'un-believer'   wrote:
>>In  karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles
R.L.
>>Power) writes: 
>>>I might add that I find "Willy grandson of Queen Vicky" to be
>>>an inadequate identification of that individual. 
>>****************
>>If you had done your home work you'd know that royal historians
>>frequently use the diminutives - an English scholarly custom.
>
>    I seem to recall that earier you claimed to be an
"American-American," 
>or at the very least were writing for them.  If that is the case you
>should stick with American customs.  Otherwise you will confuse the
>ordinary American-Americans. 
>
>    Hope this helps.
>
>    Posted/emailed.
>-- 
>Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.
>

No, it doesn't help?

 Don't American-Americans call their presidents Harry, Ike, Jack, Bill,
Ronnie, Tricky Dick?

Maczuga


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In <42i09n$9fv@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>
a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com (Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog )
wrote, among other things:
> A Texas couple made a claim, reported in the Houston newspaper, that
>most of Texas' history textbooks contain errors. (The U.S. drooped an
>atom bomb on Korea).
>

What is this supposed to mean?


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From a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep  6 16:56:09 PDT 1995
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In <810328149snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron
 writes: 
>
>In article <42hb3l$qjm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
>           a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com "Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog
" writes:
> 
>> Also, Richard Plant (Op-Ed), Nov 7) speaks of the '"shared agony"
>> of homosexuals and Jews. Undoubtedly, German homosexuals
>> were put into Nazi concentration camps. There were about 20,000
>> such individuals, out of a German gay population estimated to be
>> 1.5 million in 1933. 
>
>Lies and propaganda, there were never that many faggots in Germany;
this
>is typical, blatant, queer propaganda.
>
>-- 
>Alexander Baron
>
>"He who cannot reason is a fool; he who will not is a bigot; he who
dare
>not is a slave." - W. Drummond

Sorry about that! It was either print the entire letter or have the
history scholars accuse me of lying again. I agree that that portion
had less impact on revising the history of the Holocaust, except that
the homosexual community wanted a "share" of Jewish suffering.

Again my original posting was limited to the letter writer's comments
about that the media bandied a 4,000,000 number "and historians
defended it"

The attack then shifted to the messenger: What history professors" Name
them! Prove It! You are are lying!

Again, sorry if posting the entire quote, as demanded, offended anyone.

Maczuga Kaus



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In <42kiit$nep@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Roger
Lustig) writes: 
>
>In article <42ilkg$re@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) writes:
>>In <42i2gk$n2p@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU
(Roger
>>Lustig) writes: 
>
>>>In article <42hmkp$nm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
>>(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) writes:
>>>>In <42g162$t33@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU
>>(Roger
>>>>Lustig) writes: 
>
>>>>>In article <42c1gv$rja@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>
a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
>>>>(Maczuga Kaus - cat3wog 'un-believer' ) writes:
>>>>>>Why does any historian deny that the Houston Chronicle printed an
>>>>>>article about "4,000,000" killed at "Auschwitz" ..."mostly Jews"?

>
>>>>>Stop lying.  Nobody has denied this. 
>>>>********
>>>>The other two mentioned the number as the *total* death  toll
>>>>at Auschwitz, not the number of Jews, as Bauer is referring to.
>>>>    >>>>>>note: from your previous post!<<<<<<
>
>>>>When you say "Stop lying" Are you not denying that you wrote "not
the
>>>>number of Jews"?
>
>>>No.  I'm pointing out that you're ignoring the word "mostly"
>>>in the article you quote.
>
>>Well, to an ordinary person - 50,000 Gypsies out of 1,000,000 to
>>1,600,000 whichever the figure was is a very insignificant "mostly'
>>hardly worth the response "you're lying"!
>
>Were only Jews and Gypsies killed at Auschwitz?
>
According to the article YES - but also a few gypsies (50,000).

Hope that helps.

Do you agree with my understanding that the history of the Holocaust
refers to only Jews - not homosexuals, Gypsies, Poles, Russians?

Their numbers are included separatly along with the 40,000,000 -
50,000,000 Others killed during WWII.

As a matter of fact, that is exactly the way the Houston Chronicle
("Comical" to y'all) publish the history in a fifty year special
edition supplement.

6,000,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust. An estimated 40 to 50
millions Others were killed during WWII.

Do you agree with that statement?

Thanks

Maczuga Kaus
 


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In <42ki37$nb3@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Roger
Lustig) writes: 
>
>In article <42ihfu$sbh@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) writes:
>>In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>>writes: 
>
>>>Frankly, I do not understand what exactly is your question.
>
>>>-Danny Keren.
>
>>[everything snipped but *the* question]
>
>>Why did American historians restrict the history of the Holocaust to
>>1939-1945?
>
>a) It's not just American historians.
>
>b) The Holocaust happened in 1941-45.  This fact was not created by
>historians.
>
>>Although a third rate city, the Houston library lists about sixty
>>books on the Holocaust. The half that include a date, bracket the
>>history date of the Holocaust to 1939-1945!
>
>As well they should.  That's when it happened.
>
>>Seems to me the AJC historians had it right when historian Dubnov
>>recorded a "holocaust" in 1825 as a consequence of Napoleon's
>>imperial schemes on Russia. Next there was the Russian Imperial
>>reaction to Napoleon, then the forced conversion, starvation and
>>emmigration of Jews up to the Great War (Part I). And then the
>>consequences of Imperial Russia officially labeling Jews as
>>'German spies' during the Great War added to the forced transport
>>of Russian Jews from the Eastern war zones gives one the
>>impression that the Russian Jews have never had a years peace
>>from the Russian Imperial desire to 'finally solve the Jewish
>>Question' which historian Dubnov states began in 1825  - and did
>>not end at the Revolution in 1919 but continued on to 1939.
>
>All of which has nothing to do with the event called "The Holocaust."
>
>The word--capitalized, usually--does not refer to other persecutions
>of Jews.  That someone else once used the same word (uncapitalized)
>to refer to a different event does not change that.  The term has
>been appropriated *as a name* to refer to the systematic, mechanized,
>bureaucratized attempt at exterminating the Jews of Europe that 
>Hitler and his henchmen undertook in 1941-45.
>
>>Why is the history bracket for the Holocaust limited to 1939-1945?
>
>Because that's what the word means.  That's how historians have 
>applied the word as a name.  There have been several revolutionary
>events in America, but only one is called the American Revolution.
>Get it?
>
>Roger

Mostly.

But, lately, I've seen the history of the Holocaust time bracket
extended to 1933-1945? Instead of 1939-1945? What is that all about?

Your explanation is as I would expect it to be, and the consistancy
among historians 1939-1945 is as expected, but the date brackets in
letters to the editors now almost uniformly refer to the history of the
Holocaust period as 1933-1945?

That the revision of Holocaust history part I don't get - moving the
date from 1939 to 1933? And of course *I don't mean a scholar* did it! 
Just wondering why the history date bracket definition seems to be
changing in our world out here.


Thanks for your help.

Maczuga Kaus




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In  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark
Van Alstine) writes: 
>
>In article <42kq9v$b8e@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
>(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) wrote:
>
>> Anecdote:
>> 
>> An Englishman, for the purposes of this story, upon hearing an
>> American talking about the history of the United States was heard
>> to exclaim: "History? ...   Of the Colonies? ... Why me 'ouse
>> (my house) is older than the States!"
>
>Which, on the top of it is a bit funny. A few years back I was in a
pub in
>a fishing village, Kinsale(?) I believe, in Ireland and asked the
barkeep
>how old it was. He said about 400 years old. I then asked him how old
the
>house across the way was. He said it was pretty new- about 200 years.
>Tends to put things into a different perspective. Not better or worse,
>just different. 
>
>Not to mention that nobody was denying the existance of the pub or the
house. 
>
>[ "Background" snipped]
>
>> Hope this helps?
>
>No, not really. What was it supposed to mean? That denying the
Holocaust is OK?
>
>Mark

Hmmmmm?

What?

Looks like we're posting to the tenth person in the string who has no
idea (normal) what the first word in the string was all about?

And, now no body really cares what the first post was all about. But,
essentially it went like this. The Houston Chronicle ("a third rate
city and newspaper - according to historians on the internet ( The
Houston Comical) published an article that 'scholars had changed the
history of the Holocaust numbers at Auschwitz from 4,000,000 to
1,000,000 mostly Jews stating what internet history scholars considered
as absurd that historians believed this number (4,000,000) for four
decades)

Name calling by sholars quickly ensued: pimple, creep, larouchie, etc,
ad nauseam. A quote by Yehuda Bauer, a Holocaust Scholar to the NYT
12.23.89 was presented as a scholary source that cited the media for
having bandied the 4,000,000 number and criticized "historians" for
defending the myth.

But, the whole string, all the webs and dangles is much to long now -
over one hundred and thirty posting now - to explain any further except
to summarize: Why are historians (one, some, a few) seemingly changing,
revising history. To which some, one a few historians have replied.

It is not us! It is the media!

BTW did you know that Pocohontas was not really as pretty as the movie
in real life. And that the governor was not so fat and greedy?

Can't prove it by me.

Maczuga Kaus

 


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From: a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com (Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog )
>But, lately, I've seen the history of the Holocaust time bracket
>extended to 1933-1945? Instead of 1939-1945? What is that all about?

Hitler came to power in January 1933. In April 1933 the first of the
infamous Nuremberg anti-semitic laws were passed. Things didn't go
very well from then on.

If some historians choose to label the period 1933-1945 as significant
one doesn't have to look very deeply for the reasoning.


-- 
        -Barry Shein

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In  bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
writes: 
>
>
>From: a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com (Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog )
>>But, lately, I've seen the history of the Holocaust time bracket
>>extended to 1933-1945? Instead of 1939-1945? What is that all about?
>
>Hitler came to power in January 1933. In April 1933 the first of the
>infamous Nuremberg anti-semitic laws were passed. Things didn't go
>very well from then on.
>
>If some historians choose to label the period 1933-1945 as significant
>one doesn't have to look very deeply for the reasoning.
>
>
>-- 
>        -Barry Shein


A clearer understanding (for me vs. 1933) of the history of the
Holocaust period limited to (1939-1945) can be obtained by observing
the coincident period of the AJDC.

An since Bauer's words confirmed my suspicion that anti-semitism
was the central cause of WWII, then the history of the Holocaust
(1939-1945) cannot be understood by ordinary people only
focusing on "the development of modern technology" presumably
the Aushwitz high capacity extermination facilities.

reference:

Yehuda Bauer
American Jewry and the Holocaust
The American Joint Distribution Committee, 1939-1945
Copyright @1981 by Wayne State University Press, Detroit
Michigan 48202. All rights are reserved. No part of this book may
be reproduced without formal permission

The event that we have come to call the Holocaust - the planned
mass murder of the European Jews - was made possible by the
conveyance of a number of factors: a brutal dictatorship, the
development of modern technology, a bureaucracy that not only
executed orders but initiated them, and a war. All these were
necessary but not sufficient for the Holocaust to happen. The
addition of that old, deep-seated malaise of  gentile society called
antisemitism made these conditions [for the Holocaust to happen]
sufficient.*

[*"I (Bauer) prefer the spelling antisemitism and antisemitic to the
more customary anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic. The Jew hating
movement that invented the terms in the 1870s attacked Jews, not
some nonexistent "Semitism".]

Connected with its antisemitism was the Nazi rebellion against the
civilizing mission of Judaism and Christianity in the modern world,
a rebellion that has since been picked up by others. It denied the
sanctity of human life; it opposed humanism, pacifism, socialism,
liberalism. In short, it stood against all these trends in modern
society that would build a world based on the interaction between a
free individual and a peace-loving society around him.

Hitler 1936: "The victory of International Jewry, whose most radical
expression is Bolshevism... will not lead this time to new Versailles
treaties but to the final destruction, that is the extermination of
the German people."

Anti-semitism was the central cause of World War II.

The stages toward the "Final Solution," the name the Nazis gave to
the mass murder of the Jews, were not preplanned, however it
might seem after the event.

Yehuda Bauer
American Jewry and the Holocaust
The American Joint Distribution Committee, 1939-1945
Copyright @1981 by Wayne State University Press, Detroit
Michigan
48202. All rights are reserved. No part of this book may be
reproduced without formal permission

High-Lights

In the meantime, the problem of preferential treatment for rabbis
and students again cropped up (August 1941)

..The Canadian Jewish leader, thought there was no justification
for saving rabbis in preference to other Jews...

..that is was more important to save rabbis and rabbinical students
than anyone else.

This was what the Arabs wanted most of all, and it was essentially
given to them when the British White Paper of May, 1939, limited
immigration to 50,000 persons in the next five years, plus another
25,000 refugees from Europe.

They argued that feeding civilian populations in the war area was a
responsibility of the German government, and any food shipments
provided would free Germany of its obligation to provide food.

The report said that the situation was aggravated by Rumkowski,
who was seventy-two years old and was "despised" and hated by
every inhabitant of the ghetto...working hand in hand with Nazi
officials outside the ghetto he has robbed the Jews of their money
and valuables.

So the question arises whether it might not be more rational to set
aside the money that is available for the sole use of individuals,
who are socially productive, the intellectual elite, and the like.

The real enemy - the word is not too strong - of JDC on the Jewish
scene remained the WJC. It embodied the claim of Zionists to
represent a Jewish nation dispersed in the world, loyal to host
counties provided these kept faith with it, but quite distinct as an
ethnic or national minority.

Yehuda Bauer
American Jewry and the Holocaust
The American Joint Distribution Committee, 1939-1945
Copyright @1981 by Wayne State University Press, Detroit
Michigan 48202. All rights are reserved. No part of this book may
be reproduced without formal permission

				* * *

Maczuga Kaus




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In <42mlq8$cp6@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> ecsae@137.205.65.145 writes: 
>
>On 6 Sep 1995 22:17:30 GMT, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
>
>>In article <42kq9v$b8e@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
>>(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) wrote:
>>
>>> Anecdote:
>>> 
>>> An Englishman, for the purposes of this story, upon hearing an
>>> American talking about the history of the United States was heard
>>> to exclaim: "History? ...   Of the Colonies? ... Why me 'ouse
>>> (my house) is older than the States!"
>>
>>Which, on the top of it is a bit funny. A few years back I was in a
pub in
>>a fishing village, Kinsale(?) I believe, in Ireland and asked the
barkeep
>>how old it was. He said about 400 years old. I then asked him how old
the
>>house across the way was. He said it was pretty new- about 200 years.
>>Tends to put things into a different perspective. Not better or
worse,
>>just different. 
>
>FWIW, my house is older than the States - built 1642 and still going
>strong.
>
>I've heard it said that thee difference between English and Americans
>is that the English think 100 miles is a long distance and Americans
>think 100 years is a long time.  To which I might add that
>Revisionists think 6 million (or 4 million, or whatever) is a small
>number...
>
>Otherwise, this is completely irrelevant.  So what else is new?
>
Americans now coming to realize the importance of history. The U.S.
Senate recently voted 99 to 1 to repudiate the new revised National
Standards for History.

So, one could say, Americans have yet to agree on how to build their
history house. That may not be news to anyone - except Americans.

Maczuga Kaus



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Napoleon's history fact or fiction?

In a treatment of the history of Emperor Napoleon and his family:

Is it fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to set members
of his family as eligible to marry king & queens of Europe.

Spain comes to mind? Russia was another but failed?

Is it a fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to reinstate
a national French religion  - abolished during the Revolution - in
order to serve as a spy ring?

Maczuga Kaus
 


From a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  7 17:41:30 PDT 1995
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In <42n7r8$j9@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard
Schultz) writes: 
>
>(Note to Sara Schwartz:  note newsgroups line)
>
>In article <41pjvb$qh5@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
>T. Maczuga Kaus (ind. cat3wog)   wrote:
>>Many ordinary American-Americans (not to intelligent due to the
Liberal
>>Education system in the U.S.) 
>
>In my naivete, I would like to believe that no further comment is 
>necessary at this point.
>--
>					Richard Schultz
>
>"French bread makes very good skis" 

Gotcha!

We'uns so too cuda ben IQ contenders if'n it wurnt for the damn
Liberal WASP Supremacist schul housen w'uns hed en the U.S.

BTW 'cat3" means below the mid-point on the IQ Bell Curve.

What is surprising however is how so intelligent college educated
scholars turn out graduates so dumb they can't read or write and
those that can - can't spell?

BTW Didn't y'all's momma tell y'all smart folks that y'all don't
appear no smarter that the dumb clucks ya mek fun of?

Maczuga Kaus
 


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In <42ndcc$dr3@news.tamu.edu> dsk5432@tam2000.tamu.edu (Govind III
Rashtrakut) writes: 
>
>In article <42nb6i$du5@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
>Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog   wrote:
>>Napoleon's history fact or fiction?
>>
>>In a treatment of the history of Emperor Napoleon and his family:
>>
>>Is it fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to set members
>>of his family as eligible to marry king & queens of Europe.
>>
>>Spain comes to mind? Russia was another but failed?
>>
>
>He did try to establish his family as kings.  His brother Louis
(presumed 
>father of Napoleon III) was married to the daughter of Josephine and
made 
>king of Holland.
>Brother Jerome was married to a german princess (after being forced to

>divorce a american wife) and was made king of Westaphalia (or 
>Wurrtemberg).  Brother-in Law Marat was made king of Naples.  Nappy 
>himself tried to marry Anna daughter of Alexander I of Russia (and was

>turned down) and later married Marie Louise daughter of Franz I of
Austria.
>Joseph was made king Joseph I of Spain until Wellington chucked him
out.  
>Louis was deposed by nappy in 1810 for refusing to take Holland into
the 
>Continental system. Marat was executed by the allies iin 1816.
>
>
>-- 
>Govind III Rashtrakut	---------------------->	E - Mail :
dkane@tamu.edu 
>http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~dsk5432
>
>**********************************************************************
*******

Thanks. I do recall the American wife now. Must be time to check out
the book again?

Wonder if she (the wife) was from Baltimore?

Maczuga Kaus



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Napoleon's history fact or fiction?

In a treatment of the history of Emperor Napoleon and his family:

Is it fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to set members
of his family as eligible to marry king & queens of Europe.

Spain comes to mind? Russia was another but failed?

Is it a fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to reinstate
a national French religion  - abolished during the Revolution - in
order to serve as a spy ring?

Maczuga Kaus
 


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In <42ndcc$dr3@news.tamu.edu> dsk5432@tam2000.tamu.edu (Govind III
Rashtrakut) writes: 
>
>In article <42nb6i$du5@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
>Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog   wrote:
>>Napoleon's history fact or fiction?
>>
>>In a treatment of the history of Emperor Napoleon and his family:
>>
>>Is it fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to set members
>>of his family as eligible to marry king & queens of Europe.
>>
>>Spain comes to mind? Russia was another but failed?
>>
>
>He did try to establish his family as kings.  His brother Louis
(presumed 
>father of Napoleon III) was married to the daughter of Josephine and
made 
>king of Holland.
>Brother Jerome was married to a german princess (after being forced to

>divorce a american wife) and was made king of Westaphalia (or 
>Wurrtemberg).  Brother-in Law Marat was made king of Naples.  Nappy 
>himself tried to marry Anna daughter of Alexander I of Russia (and was

>turned down) and later married Marie Louise daughter of Franz I of
Austria.
>Joseph was made king Joseph I of Spain until Wellington chucked him
out.  
>Louis was deposed by nappy in 1810 for refusing to take Holland into
the 
>Continental system. Marat was executed by the allies iin 1816.
>
>
>-- 
>Govind III Rashtrakut	---------------------->	E - Mail :
dkane@tamu.edu 
>http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~dsk5432
>
>**********************************************************************
*******

Thanks. I do recall the American wife now. Must be time to check out
the book again?

Wonder if she (the wife) was from Baltimore?

Maczuga Kaus



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In <42nofb$6if@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Roger
Lustig) writes: 
>
>In article <42nb6i$du5@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) writes:
>>Napoleon's history fact or fiction?
>
>>In a treatment of the history of Emperor Napoleon and his family:
>
>>Is it fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to set members
>>of his family as eligible to marry king & queens of Europe.
>
>>Spain comes to mind? Russia was another but failed?
>
>Well, he never gained influence over Russia.  Something about the 
>winter...
>
>But I believe he did put his brother on the Spanish throne.
>
>>Is it a fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to reinstate
>>a national French religion  - abolished during the Revolution - in
>>order to serve as a spy ring?
>
>Never heard this.  Where did you hear about it?
>
>Best,
>Roger
>
I read (not heard) in a historian's treatment of Napoleon that he
realized the importance of religion as a method of controlling the
French unruly masses, and/or more important, Napoleon realized
the importance of religion as a source of international spying for
France - (the Jesuit order was mentioned).

I was not too interested in French history until I found a history of
Joseph Arthur (de Gobineau) & Louis Armand (de Quatrefages).
Jewish Historian Simon Dubnov's linking Russian and Polish
history with Napoleon and French history stimulated a renewed
interest in old French (Napoleon) History.

I recall that one historian wrote that Napoleon tried to marry off
his kin to European royalty - that would be "Napoleon's Family";
but I can't find the religion observation there.

Nothing else to do but retrace my historians: Seton-Watson,
Scotus Viator, Arnold J. Toynbee, R. Marrus, W. Z. Ripley, H.G.
Wells, etc. But, I'll find it again.

Thanks anyway.

Maczuga Kaus
 


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In <42iegf$sg1@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor)
writes: 
>
>Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) wrote:
>: On 25 Aug 1995, T. Maczuga Kaus wrote:
>: 
>: > 
>: > Sources: U.S. Public Affairs Pamphlet #85; H.G. Wells - Angle-
>: > Saxon Supermen 1920, A.J. Toynbee, War and Nationalities 1914
>: > W.Z. Ripley - Races of Europe; Joseph Arthur - Inequality of the
>: > Races; Scotus Viator - Slovaks are not Men; Louis Armand -
>: > Prussians are not White; E.W. Barnes - U.S. Senate Document
>: > 208; H.S. Chamberlain - WASP Foundations; American Journal of
>: > Anatomy LXV; Journal of Heredity XXXIII - Breeding Aryans;
>: > Internation Racial Problems New York 1911; Passing of a Great
>: > Race New York 1911; Race & Civilization London 1923; Race
>: > Prejudice France & England 1928; Western Races and the World
>: > Oxford University 1922; Races of Central Europe New York 1939;
>: > Types of Mankind Philadelphia 1854; The Biology of Superiority -
>: > American Mercury 1927; Race Theory, New York 1939;
>: 
>: Aha... again, the question of parodic intent arises... Are you using

>: these old chestnuts to demonstrate how absurd such racial
categorizing 
>: schemes are, or have you just not read any serious anthropology
written 
>: after 1939 (the most up-to-date of your sources)? 
>: 
>I doubt that parody was intended. I am sure that T. Maczuga Kaus
>will soon explain the DNA testing and the molecular biological
>studies of the structure of genes which are the basis of the above
>"studies".
>
>d.A. 

Jeez -Look what you find when your scanning? Whippersnappers jiving
about the new science DNA and molecular biological studies...?

So old science isn't as good as the new science. Eh?

I'll match my PhD, PhD, PhD by the age of twenty nine Louis Armand de
Quatrefages (1870) molecular biological medical scientist against any
thing Americans can come up with including that fabulous Columbia
University pair Mrs & Mr W. Z. Ripley.

These scientist were commanded by the Queen of England to find suitable
supreme breeding stock. The closest genetic supremacy match they found
to the English was in Hanover Germany. Just as soon as the Supreme
Hanover Germans, howerver, were carriers of the insanity gene - Queen
Victoria quit consorting with Hanover and moved gathered all her future
stock from the supreme genetic pool already preserved in England.

No new science can disprove the Supremacy of the English! The gene for
language, for example, English has been dispersed all over the globe.
As a contrary premise, The French claimed racial Supremacy in 1848
after Pastuer located the supremacy gene with Madame Currie's new
fangled x-ray science.

But the French gene pool was too contaminated by the Yellow-mix
Prussians and Napoleon's Mediterranean kin. As proof the French
cultural supremacy language gene was almost diminished to Quebec and
the Tutsies in Africa (or was it the Hutu?)

Face it. No new science is going to disprove the Supremeness of Diana
and Fergi no matter how hard one tries.

The best the non-WASPs can hope for is the toesucker gene. That is how
Texans overcome third generation diminished capacity.

Finnally, recall that the Ripley's proved that even the Supremes lose
supremacy if they refuse to compete. Nurture & Nature are vital to the
perfection of the supremacy gene.

See also Brocca's skin tone index. Complete scientific correlation.

Maczuga Kaus




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In <42qg9l$pej@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com (Maczuga
Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) writes: 
>
>In <42iegf$sg1@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor)
>writes: 
>>
>>Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) wrote:
>>: On 25 Aug 1995, T. Maczuga Kaus wrote:
>>: 
>>: > 
>>: > Sources: U.S. Public Affairs Pamphlet #85; H.G. Wells - Angle-
>>: > Saxon Supermen 1920, A.J. Toynbee, War and Nationalities 1914
>>: > W.Z. Ripley - Races of Europe; Joseph Arthur - Inequality of the
>>: > Races; Scotus Viator - Slovaks are not Men; Louis Armand -
>>: > Prussians are not White; E.W. Barnes - U.S. Senate Document
>>: > 208; H.S. Chamberlain - WASP Foundations; American Journal of
>>: > Anatomy LXV; Journal of Heredity XXXIII - Breeding Aryans;
>>: > Internation Racial Problems New York 1911; Passing of a Great
>>: > Race New York 1911; Race & Civilization London 1923; Race
>>: > Prejudice France & England 1928; Western Races and the World
>>: > Oxford University 1922; Races of Central Europe New York 1939;
>>: > Types of Mankind Philadelphia 1854; The Biology of Superiority -
>>: > American Mercury 1927; Race Theory, New York 1939;
>>: 
>>: Aha... again, the question of parodic intent arises... Are you
using
>
>>: these old chestnuts to demonstrate how absurd such racial
>categorizing 
>>: schemes are, or have you just not read any serious anthropology
>written 
>>: after 1939 (the most up-to-date of your sources)? 
>>: 
>>I doubt that parody was intended. I am sure that T. Maczuga Kaus
>>will soon explain the DNA testing and the molecular biological
>>studies of the structure of genes which are the basis of the above
>>"studies".
>>
>>d.A. 
>
>Jeez -Look what you find when your scanning? Whippersnappers jiving
>about the new science DNA and molecular biological studies...?
>
>So old science isn't as good as the new science. Eh?
>
>I'll match my PhD, PhD, PhD by the age of twenty nine Louis Armand de
>Quatrefages (1870) molecular biological medical scientist against any
>thing Americans can come up with including that fabulous Columbia
>University pair Mrs & Mr W. Z. Ripley.
>
>These scientist were commanded by the Queen of England to find
suitable
>supreme breeding stock. The closest genetic supremacy match they found
>to the English was in Hanover Germany. Just as soon as the Supreme
>Hanover Germans, howerver, were carriers of the insanity gene - Queen
>Victoria quit consorting with Hanover and moved gathered all her
future
>stock from the supreme genetic pool already preserved in England.
>
>No new science can disprove the Supremacy of the English! The gene for
>language, for example, English has been dispersed all over the globe.
>As a contrary premise, The French claimed racial Supremacy in 1848
>after Pastuer located the supremacy gene with Madame Currie's new
>fangled x-ray science.
>
>But the French gene pool was too contaminated by the Yellow-mix
>Prussians and Napoleon's Mediterranean kin. As proof the French
>cultural supremacy language gene was almost diminished to Quebec and
>the Tutsies in Africa (or was it the Hutu?)
>
>Face it. No new science is going to disprove the Supremeness of Diana
>and Fergi no matter how hard one tries.
>
>The best the non-WASPs can hope for is the toesucker gene. That is how
>Texans overcome third generation diminished capacity.
>
>Finnally, recall that the Ripley's proved that even the Supremes lose
>supremacy if they refuse to compete. Nurture & Nature are vital to the
>perfection of the supremacy gene.
>
>See also Brocca's skin tone index. Complete scientific correlation.
>
>Maczuga Kaus
>
>



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In <42iegf$sg1@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor)
writes: 
>
>Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) wrote:
>: On 25 Aug 1995, T. Maczuga Kaus wrote:
>: 
>: > 
>: > Sources: U.S. Public Affairs Pamphlet #85; H.G. Wells - Angle-
>: > Saxon Supermen 1920, A.J. Toynbee, War and Nationalities 1914
>: > W.Z. Ripley - Races of Europe; Joseph Arthur - Inequality of the
>: > Races; Scotus Viator - Slovaks are not Men; Louis Armand -
>: > Prussians are not White; E.W. Barnes - U.S. Senate Document
>: > 208; H.S. Chamberlain - WASP Foundations; American Journal of
>: > Anatomy LXV; Journal of Heredity XXXIII - Breeding Aryans;
>: > Internation Racial Problems New York 1911; Passing of a Great
>: > Race New York 1911; Race & Civilization London 1923; Race
>: > Prejudice France & England 1928; Western Races and the World
>: > Oxford University 1922; Races of Central Europe New York 1939;
>: > Types of Mankind Philadelphia 1854; The Biology of Superiority -
>: > American Mercury 1927; Race Theory, New York 1939;
>: 
>: Aha... again, the question of parodic intent arises... Are you using

>: these old chestnuts to demonstrate how absurd such racial
categorizing 
>: schemes are, or have you just not read any serious anthropology
written 
>: after 1939 (the most up-to-date of your sources)? 
>: 
>I doubt that parody was intended. I am sure that T. Maczuga Kaus
>will soon explain the DNA testing and the molecular biological
>studies of the structure of genes which are the basis of the above
>"studies".
>
>d.A. 

Jeez -Look what you find when your scanning? Whippersnappers jiving
about the new science DNA and molecular biological studies...?

So old science isn't as good as the new science. Eh?

I'll match my PhD, PhD, PhD by the age of twenty nine Louis Armand de
Quatrefages (1870) molecular biological medical scientist against any
thing Americans can come up with including that fabulous Columbia
University pair Mrs & Mr W. Z. Ripley.

These scientist were commanded by the Queen of England to find suitable
supreme breeding stock. The closest genetic supremacy match they found
to the English was in Hanover Germany. Just as soon as the Supreme
Hanover Germans, howerver, were carriers of the insanity gene - Queen
Victoria quit consorting with Hanover and moved gathered all her future
stock from the supreme genetic pool already preserved in England.

No new science can disprove the Supremacy of the English! The gene for
language, for example, English has been dispersed all over the globe.
As a contrary premise, The French claimed racial Supremacy in 1848
after Pastuer located the supremacy gene with Madame Currie's new
fangled x-ray science.

But the French gene pool was too contaminated by the Yellow-mix
Prussians and Napoleon's Mediterranean kin. As proof the French
cultural supremacy language gene was almost diminished to Quebec and
the Tutsies in Africa (or was it the Hutu?)

Face it. No new science is going to disprove the Supremeness of Diana
and Fergi no matter how hard one tries.

The best the non-WASPs can hope for is the toesucker gene. That is how
Texans overcome third generation diminished capacity.

Finnally, recall that the Ripley's proved that even the Supremes lose
supremacy if they refuse to compete. Nurture & Nature are vital to the
perfection of the supremacy gene.

See also Brocca's skin tone index. Complete scientific correlation.

Maczuga Kaus




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In <42iegf$sg1@grivel.une.edu.au> ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor)
writes: 
>
>Marty Kelley (mkelley@U.Arizona.EDU) wrote:
>: On 25 Aug 1995, T. Maczuga Kaus wrote:
>: 
>: > 
>: > Sources: U.S. Public Affairs Pamphlet #85; H.G. Wells - Angle-
>: > Saxon Supermen 1920, A.J. Toynbee, War and Nationalities 1914
>: > W.Z. Ripley - Races of Europe; Joseph Arthur - Inequality of the
>: > Races; Scotus Viator - Slovaks are not Men; Louis Armand -
>: > Prussians are not White; E.W. Barnes - U.S. Senate Document
>: > 208; H.S. Chamberlain - WASP Foundations; American Journal of
>: > Anatomy LXV; Journal of Heredity XXXIII - Breeding Aryans;
>: > Internation Racial Problems New York 1911; Passing of a Great
>: > Race New York 1911; Race & Civilization London 1923; Race
>: > Prejudice France & England 1928; Western Races and the World
>: > Oxford University 1922; Races of Central Europe New York 1939;
>: > Types of Mankind Philadelphia 1854; The Biology of Superiority -
>: > American Mercury 1927; Race Theory, New York 1939;
>: 
>: Aha... again, the question of parodic intent arises... Are you using

>: these old chestnuts to demonstrate how absurd such racial
categorizing 
>: schemes are, or have you just not read any serious anthropology
written 
>: after 1939 (the most up-to-date of your sources)? 
>: 
>I doubt that parody was intended. I am sure that T. Maczuga Kaus
>will soon explain the DNA testing and the molecular biological
>studies of the structure of genes which are the basis of the above
>"studies".
>
>d.A. 

Jeez -Look what you find when your scanning? Whippersnappers jiving
about the new science DNA and molecular biological studies...?

So old science isn't as good as the new science. Eh?

I'll match my PhD, PhD, PhD by the age of twenty nine Louis Armand de
Quatrefages (1870) molecular biological medical scientist against any
thing Americans can come up with including that fabulous Columbia
University pair Mrs & Mr W. Z. Ripley.

These scientist were commanded by the Queen of England to find suitable
supreme breeding stock. The closest genetic supremacy match they found
to the English was in Hanover Germany. Just as soon as the Supreme
Hanover Germans, howerver, were carriers of the insanity gene - Queen
Victoria quit consorting with Hanover and moved gathered all her future
stock from the supreme genetic pool already preserved in England.

No new science can disprove the Supremacy of the English! The gene for
language, for example, English has been dispersed all over the globe.
As a contrary premise, The French claimed racial Supremacy in 1848
after Pastuer located the supremacy gene with Madame Currie's new
fangled x-ray science.

But the French gene pool was too contaminated by the Yellow-mix
Prussians and Napoleon's Mediterranean kin. As proof the French
cultural supremacy language gene was almost diminished to Quebec and
the Tutsies in Africa (or was it the Hutu?)

Face it. No new science is going to disprove the Supremeness of Diana
and Fergi no matter how hard one tries.

The best the non-WASPs can hope for is the toesucker gene. That is how
Texans overcome third generation diminished capacity.

Finnally, recall that the Ripley's proved that even the Supremes lose
supremacy if they refuse to compete. Nurture & Nature are vital to the
perfection of the supremacy gene.

See also Brocca's skin tone index. Complete scientific correlation.

Maczuga Kaus




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Napoleon's history fact or fiction?

In a treatment of the history of Emperor Napoleon and his family:

Is it fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to set members
of his family as eligible to marry king & queens of Europe.

Spain comes to mind? Russia was another but failed?

Is it a fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to reinstate
a national French religion  - abolished during the Revolution - in
order to serve as a spy ring?

Maczuga Kaus
 


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In <42ndcc$dr3@news.tamu.edu> dsk5432@tam2000.tamu.edu (Govind III
Rashtrakut) writes: 
>
>In article <42nb6i$du5@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
>Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog   wrote:
>>Napoleon's history fact or fiction?
>>
>>In a treatment of the history of Emperor Napoleon and his family:
>>
>>Is it fact of history that Emperor Napoleon attempted to set members
>>of his family as eligible to marry king & queens of Europe.
>>
>>Spain comes to mind? Russia was another but failed?
>>
>
>He did try to establish his family as kings.  His brother Louis
(presumed 
>father of Napoleon III) was married to the daughter of Josephine and
made 
>king of Holland.
>Brother Jerome was married to a german princess (after being forced to

>divorce a american wife) and was made king of Westaphalia (or 
>Wurrtemberg).  Brother-in Law Marat was made king of Naples.  Nappy 
>himself tried to marry Anna daughter of Alexander I of Russia (and was

>turned down) and later married Marie Louise daughter of Franz I of
Austria.
>Joseph was made king Joseph I of Spain until Wellington chucked him
out.  
>Louis was deposed by nappy in 1810 for refusing to take Holland into
the 
>Continental system. Marat was executed by the allies iin 1816.
>
>
>-- 
>Govind III Rashtrakut	---------------------->	E - Mail :
dkane@tamu.edu 
>http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~dsk5432
>
>**********************************************************************
*******

Thanks. I do recall the American wife now. Must be time to check out
the book again?

Wonder if she (the wife) was from Baltimore?

Maczuga Kaus



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In <42rbla$1vum@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> ipberg@acs.ucalgary.ca (Ian Paul
Berg) writes: 
>
>	This is slightly off topic alt.revisionism but I'll pose it 
>anyways.  A coupla months ago I was in a retail bookstore at a nearby 
>mall here in Calgary.  I picked up and flipped through the pages of a 
>book claiming that General Eisenhower personally authorized the deaths
of 
>German POWs in French "concentration camps".  The book is little more 
>than a tabloid piece, I realize, but I was wondering if anyone has any

>facts & opinions about this rarely discussed issue of American 
>"concentration camps"?
>
>Ian
>
>
Texas had one used in both parts of the Great Wars. Crystal City Texas.
There was even (newspaper) history that Anglo-Texans kidnapped German
Texans (and those who had escaped extermination during the "Civil War"
in Central America). General G. Marshal allegedly directed the
operation.

Maczuga Kaus



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In <42qbc1$902@cnn.Princeton.EDU> roger@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Roger
Lustig) writes: 
>
>In article <42pjh2$rsj@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com
(Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog ) writes:
>
>>I was not too interested in French history until I found a history of
>>Joseph Arthur (de Gobineau) & Louis Armand (de Quatrefages).
>
>Why are the last names in parentheses?  
>
>If that's *the* Gobineau, you've latched onto an intellectual
>precursor of Nazism.  His racial theories influenced generations.
>
>Roger
>

Seems as though several WASP-Supremacists S.H. Chamberlain, H.G.Wells,
W.Z. Rippley used de Gobineau's racial supremacy theories befor the
high school drop-out got to them?

H.G. Wells depicted the Nordic Superman as an Englishman in Outline of
History 1920.

Maczuga Kaus



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In <810584124snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron
 writes: 
>
>In article <42nb6i$du5@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
>           a2ce3wog@ix.netcom.com "Maczuga Kaus - assimilated cat3wog
" writes:
>
>> Napoleon's history fact or fiction?
>
>There's a very good satire written on Napoleon which concludes that he
>didn't exist. It was published about 1820.
>>  
>> 
>
>-- 
>Alexander Baron
>
>"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." -
Napoleon


Thanks

Maczuga



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In <810723538snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron
 writes: 
>
>In article 
>           karlpov@access5.digex.net "Charles R.L. Power" writes:
>
>> Alexander Baron  writes:
 >Actually, if you've read de Gobineau you'll find he wasn't a raving
bigot. >He said some quite flattering things about savages.
>> 
>> Raving bigots frequently include a few "flattering" things in their 
>> characterization of other groups. The darkies got rhythm (explaining
away> any musical talents without reference to intellect), great
"brute" > strength (gotta explain all those heavyweight championships
somehow),>> etc. Jews are talented manipulators, capitalists,
financiers, etc. (i.e.>> they can't make an honest living like us farm
boys). And I won't even start on the Noble Savage....
>
>Gobineau was a man of his time and white men of that time believed
blacks >to be an inferior race. If I recall, Gobineau said something
like people >assume falsely that because a savage hasn't built a great
civilisation that >he must be a moron. I don't think that sounds like
the remark a bigot would make.
>-- 
>Alexander Baron
>
>"Skepticism is a virtue in history as well as in philosophy." -
Napoleon

***
According to one source M. D. Biddis, copyright 1970, Weybright &
Talley, Inc. The social and political thought of Count Gobineau in a
text entitled The father of Racist Ideology - Gobineau was a
protege of the famous French Historian Tocqueville.

Gobineau's Inequality of the Races declared Angle-Saxons as the
Supreme Race. Gobineau's work was dedicated to George of
Hanover (weren't the Hanovers Kings of England until Queen
Victoria took the throne and resigned as a Hanover?)

Furthermore, as stated before, W.Z. Ripley borrowed heavily from
Gobineau's work to determine scientifically which European races
were suitable (mostly unfit) to immigrate to Anglo-America.

Toynbee, of course, borowed from Ripley to propose the new racial
map of Europe in 1914, and H.G. Wells laid claim to WASP-
Supremacy in 1920 with the Englishman pictured as the ideal
Nordic Superman.

Sounds as though he was correct so far.

 The only thing than ruined Gobineau's place in history was that
high school drop-out Adolph and his WASP-Wannabe dreams.

Who would ever imagine that a corporal would actually try to
implement a scholar's cultural history theories?

One could *really* say that Gobineau's words had consequences!

Regards

Maczuga Kaus


 



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