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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Canadian Journalist Prosecuted for Criticizing Schindlers List
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From: k044477@kzoo.edu (Jamie McCarthy)
>Wayne, this is really too much.  Ken has stated time and time
>again that he's totally against the repression of free speech.
>He can't possibly have made it more clear that he opposes the
>anti-hate laws in Canada.
>
>"Entirely lost" on him.  Heh.  Where do you come up with this
>stuff, Wayne?

Once again Mr McGuire tells OTHERS what their opinions are, in direct
contradiction to their own views.

He's done this to many here and it's one of McGuire's main tactics of
"debate". Just say someone you disagree with is a marxist or kahanist
or supports certain canadian laws which they say they do not and then
rail on about them for holding these views.

That is why I insist that Mr McGuire has a fascist's personality.

What could be more indicative of a totalitarian mindset than ignoring
what a person says are their opinions on a matter and telling them
that you know better what their opinions are? And, further, that
McGuire will condemn them for the opinions McGuire has assigned to
them?

Face it. McGuire is totalitarian scum.

And what happened to the text of those Jewish Press articles? We get
tons and tons of other stuff, and the occasional "promise" from
McGuire that the text of these articles will be devastating (to who? I
don't know) but no text.

Interesting.

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From: k044477@kzoo.edu (Jamie McCarthy)
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Subject: Re: Canadian Journalist Prosecuted for Criticizing Schindlers List
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wmcguire@world.std.com (Wayne McGuire) wrote:

> Poor McVay can't see the forest for the trees. It's obvious that
> elements of the Jewish establishment are trying to suppress free
> thought and free speech in Canada concerning the Holocaust. Their
> activities are an abomination, and your legalistic noodling is
> entirely beside the point.
> 
> You've turned yourself into a propaganda robot for these
> repressive authoritarians--a robot with its hand held out
> expectantly for money--and so the outrageousness of their efforts
> at censorship is entirely lost on you.  Is it any surprise that
> some people have begun to associate you with the thought police?

Ha ha ha ha!

Wayne, this is really too much.  Ken has stated time and time
again that he's totally against the repression of free speech.
He can't possibly have made it more clear that he opposes the
anti-hate laws in Canada.

"Entirely lost" on him.  Heh.  Where do you come up with this
stuff, Wayne?

> Why all the
> obsession with only one narrow class of victims in this century?
> What's your agenda, McVay, and why?

Ken has said time and time again why he got involved in this.
There are people out there, Wayne, who say the Holocaust never
happened, and they're getting attention.  This offends Ken.
Ken is doing something about it.

_That's_ his agenda.

Now three questions for you, Wayne:  where do you get off repeating
the same nosy, obnoxious, pointless, implicating questions when
you know the answer darn well (or should)?

Since when is persistent, brainless questioning a substitute
for reasoning?

And finally:  do you think that there's anyone on this newsgroup
who hasn't yet figured out that you simply enjoy displaying your
intellect in arguments with anyone who takes interest in Jewish
matters, and don't really care about who's right or wrong?

> Have you paid much attention to the victims in Bosnia and Rwanda
> lately? I very much doubt it.

Here we go again with Bosnia and Rwanda.  Ken's crime is now
(allegedly) not "paying enough attention" to them.  Brother.

> Once I finish with Stein [...]

I've just gotten a chance to catch up on everything you've
written in response to him in the last week or so.  You haven't
even begun to give him straight answers.  At this rate, you'll
both be old men by the time you "finish" with him.

> ...I am getting bored.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


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From: lnyman@info.census.gov (Lisa Nyman)
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Subject: Re: An Evaluation of the Irving-Lipstadt and McVay-Canada Debates by Michael A. Hoffman II
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In article ,   wrote:
 
>Then there is the repression of revisionists: the trials, book-bannings and
>imprisonment. Look at what Bradley Smith has gone through trying to get a
>revisionist advertisement in U.S. college campus newspapers.

Once again Hoffmann shows he is unable to comprehend the notions of
censorship and free speech in the US.  Maybe he could tell us just why
'U.S. college campus newspapers' should accept Smith's ads.

>I came aboard alt.revisionism here on Internet some two months ago, hoping for a
>genuine exchange of research and ideas. I have found instead the same old
>hysteria and tribalism that I have encountered among the partisans of the
>holohoax in any other forum

Ok, so your spouting off about Khazars, Pharisee-worshipers, Stalinists,
Jewish controlled media, The Master Race, the Holy People..... isn't
hysteria?  Is that part of your scholarly ways?
 
>I will continue to post to alt.revisionism and continue to read alt.revisionism
>but I question its significance. 

The same can be said about you.


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From: t08o@metis.sun.csd.unb.ca (Keith Morrison)
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Subject: Re: Put up or shut up, Mr. Hoffman (v 1.02, Round 3)
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In article ,   wrote:
>For a response to Mr. McVay's oeuvre, please see the thread, "An
>Evaluation of the Irving-Lipstadt and McVay/Canada Debates by Michael
>A. Hoffman II."

For an evaluation of Mr. Hoffman's oeuvre "An Evaluation of the Irving-
Lipstadt and McVay/Canada Debates by Michael A. Hoffman II" please see
the thread "Hoffie^2 Nominated for November Kook of the Month."

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Danny A. Nijburg (dannya@xs4all.nl) wrote:
: stschulz@informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Schulz) wrote:
: ->In article , bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
: ->
: ->|> Is there really anyone here remaining who is fooled in the slightest
: ->|> by Mr McGuire's fabrications and cheap and tawdry attempts at
: ->|> propaganda?
: ->
: ->Not me!
: ->
: ->However, we need to further classify Wayne - I would put him into the
: ->"stupid, bigotted, incredibly prejudiced, unable-to-read-properly, but
: ->basically honest" category, while Raven, for example, belongs into the
: ->"not to stupid, personally uninvolved, rather unbigotted, can-read,
: ->but incredibly dishonest for comercial reasons" class.
: ->
: ->Miltie is "incredibly stupid, bigotted, wont-read, but honest
: ->Nazi-Scumbag" class, and even I am not able to find words describing
: ->Hoffmann^2 properly...
: ->
: ->However, I start to believe in Waynes 5000 wpm claim - he simply has
: ->to read that much (in his usual one-sided, see only 10 percent of the
: ->evidence, reinterpret everything to fit into his prejudices way...) in
: ->order to become the hot-air-machine he is. Note: This is 5000 wpm
: ->leaving a picture on the retina - I think that only 250 or so actually
: ->reach the brain...
: ->
: ->
: ->Stephan
: ->
: ->-------------------------- It can be done! ---------------------------------
: ->    Please email me as stschulz@informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Schulz)
: ->----------------------------------------------------------------------------
: ->

: Can you prove he has a brain ?
: Numbers please and reliable evidence.


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Article 19774 of alt.revisionism:
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From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Subject: Michael Hoffman II: Deliberate liar or ignorant liar?
Summary: ...or both?
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Date: Fri, 09 Dec 94 23:59:12 GMT

In article , Michael Hoffman II,
author of Holocaust denial literature and "revisionist scholar,"
demonstrates his ongoing problem dealing with reality:

>What has just happened to Doug Collins and John Ball proves you dead wrong.
>They have been charged in a complaint under a new law rigged in your own
>province of B.C. of which, I suppose you must, to salvage yourself, claim
>you have no knowledge of, or you will pretend it is not a law against
>revisionists because it does not mention revisionists by name even though
>two revisionists have been charged under its provisions.

Mr. Hoffman is confused here, since neither Mr. Collins nor Mr. Ball
have been charged with anything. Period. 

The reality, which Mr. Hoffman attempts to reconfigure to suit his
personal reality tunnel is this: A complaint has been brought before
the provincial human rights council regarding Mr. Collins.

Given the difference between the _reality_ of what has been done,
and Mr. Hoffman's _claims_ about what has been done, one must
question Mr. Hoffman's motivation.

Is Mr. Hoffman aware of the content of the Act which governs the
British Columbia Human Rights Commission? If he is, then why has he
elected to ignore that act, and lie about non-existent criminal
charges?

Or, is Mr. Hoffman simply ignorant of the contents of the Act, and,
in typical "revisionist scholar" fashion, making up his own version
of reality to make things appear differently than in fact they are?

In short, is Mr. Hoffman a dishonest liar, or an ignorant liar?

Which is it, Mr. Hoffman?
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Pluto Press - used to be, may still be linked with the Trotskist Socialist
Workers Party in England

Andy


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From: dmittleman@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
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In article <3c4bpp$31p@agate.berkeley.edu>, schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes...

}}Richler, Mordecai. This Year in Jerusalem. New York: Alfred A.
}}Knopf, 1994.

}...I note the
}Richler never made much effort to hide his agenda (he proudly admits
}his intermarriage, for example) or his ignorance (viz.  his admission
}that he decided to meet a friend for a meal at a kosher restaurant
}on Yom Kippur).  I found his complete ignorance of Judaism to be so
}bothersome that I simply put the book down.  It does, however, answer
}a question I always had about "Solomon Gursky was Here", namely, whether
}Richler's mistakes about Jewish practice were meant satirically (i.e.
}he really knew better but his characters didn't) or because he himself
}doesn't know anything about Jewish practices.

    No kosher restaurant would ever be open on Yom Kippur.  This fact
    contributes to the thesis that Richler doesn't know much of Jewish
    practices.

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In article <3c9oom$iob@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@cc.keele.ac.uk (A.T.
Fear) wrote:

> Pluto Press - used to be, may still be linked with the Trotskist Socialist
> Workers Party in England

Uh oh.  Could it be that Wayne McGuire has relied for much of his
discussion of Judaic thought on a book published by a Trotskyist Socialist
publisher?  Hoo-hah!

Say, where is Wayne these days?  Last I saw, Mike Stein had addressed
Mayer, and I had asked Wayne how to square Mayer's thesis with Paul
Johnson's discussion of the timing of the Final Solution.

Yoo-hoo!  Waaaa-aaayne!  Where aaaaare you?

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For whoever asked, Hill and Wang is an imprint of Farrar, Straus, and
Giroux, a respectable, if slightly leftish, publishing house in New York
City. 

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From: dave@.csoft.com (Dave Weigel)
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In article <1994Dec09.235912.26701@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>,
Ken Mcvay  wrote:
>In article , Michael Hoffman II,
>author of Holocaust denial literature and "revisionist scholar,"
>demonstrates his ongoing problem dealing with reality:
>
>>What has just happened to Doug Collins and John Ball proves you dead wrong.
>>They have been charged in a complaint under a new law rigged in your own
>>province of B.C. of which, I suppose you must, to salvage yourself, claim
>>you have no knowledge of, or you will pretend it is not a law against
>>revisionists because it does not mention revisionists by name even though
>>two revisionists have been charged under its provisions.
>
>Mr. Hoffman is confused here, since neither Mr. Collins nor Mr. Ball
>have been charged with anything. Period. 
>
>The reality, which Mr. Hoffman attempts to reconfigure to suit his
>personal reality tunnel is this: A complaint has been brought before
>the provincial human rights council regarding Mr. Collins.
>
>Given the difference between the _reality_ of what has been done,
>and Mr. Hoffman's _claims_ about what has been done, one must
>question Mr. Hoffman's motivation.
>
>Is Mr. Hoffman aware of the content of the Act which governs the
>British Columbia Human Rights Commission? If he is, then why has he
>elected to ignore that act, and lie about non-existent criminal
>charges?
>

As a Minnesota resident, I can claim complete obliviousness (is that a word?)
as to the contents of the BCHRC regulating legislation, the rules of the
BCHRC, or how those rules might differ from Minnesota law or typical
Canadian criminal charges.  Under MN law, for example, and if my knowledge
of human rights law hasn't rusted too much since I practiced it, a citizen
can bring a "complaint" against another who has violated his/her rights.
If the Human Rights Department decides that there is probable cause to believe
that the rights have been violated, then the Commissioner of Human Rights
attempts to settle the case.  If that fails, then it goes to court as a
civil "charge" against the defendant.

What Hoffman^2 says could be construed as either a criminal charge (by the
prosecutor or by indictment) or a charge by the relevant authority
responsible for enforcing the laws, after finding probable cause.  What
your (McVay's) repsonse does is suggest that there is no criminal charge,
but the response does not rebut the charge that some official has found
probable cause that a violation of the human rights statutes has occurred.

In short, I wanna know info.  Has some official found probable cause that
a right of some citizen has been violated?  Is that even a requirement
under BC laws before the case goes ahead under some civil statute?  Are
the penalties under the civil statute such that they are as powerful as
typical BC criminal statutes?  What, if anything, is the worst that could
happen to Ball and Collins (what did they allegedly do, anyway?) if they
are convicted/losers?
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From: schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz)
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In article ,
The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device  wrote:
>In article <3c9oom$iob@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@cc.keele.ac.uk (A.T.
>Fear) wrote:
>
>> Pluto Press - used to be, may still be linked with the Trotskist Socialist
>> Workers Party in England
>
>Uh oh.  Could it be that Wayne McGuire has relied for much of his
>discussion of Judaic thought on a book published by a Trotskyist Socialist
>publisher?  Hoo-hah!

Actually, it's kind of interesting that far-left antisemitism (starting
with Karl Marx) has so much in common with far-right antisemitism.  There
used to be a local strange person in Berkeley named Lenni Brenner who
used to publish pseudo-Marxist critiques of how the Jews control the 
world's economy.  What was amusing about him was that in his pre-Marxist
days he had been raised as a Satmar chasid, so his books were *also*
filled with why Lubavitch chasidism is the incarnation of evil on earth.

I never was able to find out if he was the same Lenni Brenner who was a
writer for "Mad" Magazine. . .

>Say, where is Wayne these days?  Last I saw, Mike Stein had addressed
>Mayer, and I had asked Wayne how to square Mayer's thesis with Paul
>Johnson's discussion of the timing of the Final Solution.
>
>Yoo-hoo!  Waaaa-aaayne!  Where aaaaare you?

Remember, when you think Wayne, think Greg Raven.  Unless we're extremely
lucky, he'll (that "he" can refer to either of them) be back in a month
or two, claiming that no one has ever answered his arguments, but he only
wants to argue one thing at a time to limit the discussion, so here are
five things to argue about. . .
--
					Richard Schultz

"I seem to smell a peculiar and a fishlike smell."


Article 19895 of alt.revisionism:
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From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Subject: Re: Michael Hoffman II: Deliberate liar or ignorant liar?
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In article <3cdpa5$5fq@cedar.mr.net> dave@.csoft.com (Dave Weigel) writes:

>In article <1994Dec09.235912.26701@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>,
>Ken Mcvay  wrote:

>>In article , Michael Hoffman II,
>>author of Holocaust denial literature and "revisionist scholar,"
>>demonstrates his ongoing problem dealing with reality:

>>>What has just happened to Doug Collins and John Ball proves you dead wrong.
>>>They have been charged in a complaint under a new law rigged in your own
>>>province of B.C. of which, I suppose you must, to salvage yourself, claim
>>>you have no knowledge of, or you will pretend it is not a law against
>>>revisionists because it does not mention revisionists by name even though
>>>two revisionists have been charged under its provisions.

>>Mr. Hoffman is confused here, since neither Mr. Collins nor Mr. Ball
>>have been charged with anything. Period. 

>>The reality, which Mr. Hoffman attempts to reconfigure to suit his
>>personal reality tunnel is this: A complaint has been brought before
>>the provincial human rights council regarding Mr. Collins.

>>Given the difference between the _reality_ of what has been done,
>>and Mr. Hoffman's _claims_ about what has been done, one must
>>question Mr. Hoffman's motivation.

>>Is Mr. Hoffman aware of the content of the Act which governs the
>>British Columbia Human Rights Commission? If he is, then why has he
>>elected to ignore that act, and lie about non-existent criminal
>>charges?

>As a Minnesota resident, I can claim complete obliviousness (is that a word?)
>as to the contents of the BCHRC regulating legislation, the rules of the
>BCHRC, or how those rules might differ from Minnesota law or typical
>Canadian criminal charges.  Under MN law, for example, and if my knowledge
>of human rights law hasn't rusted too much since I practiced it, a citizen
>can bring a "complaint" against another who has violated his/her rights.
>If the Human Rights Department decides that there is probable cause to believe
>that the rights have been violated, then the Commissioner of Human Rights
>attempts to settle the case.  If that fails, then it goes to court as a
>civil "charge" against the defendant.

>What Hoffman^2 says could be construed as either a criminal charge (by the
>prosecutor or by indictment) or a charge by the relevant authority
>responsible for enforcing the laws, after finding probable cause.  What
>your (McVay's) repsonse does is suggest that there is no criminal charge,
>but the response does not rebut the charge that some official has found
>probable cause that a violation of the human rights statutes has occurred.

>In short, I wanna know info.  Has some official found probable cause that
>a right of some citizen has been violated?  Is that even a requirement
>under BC laws before the case goes ahead under some civil statute?  Are
>the penalties under the civil statute such that they are as powerful as
>typical BC criminal statutes?  What, if anything, is the worst that could
>happen to Ball and Collins (what did they allegedly do, anyway?) if they
>are convicted/losers?

I have contacted the B.C. Human Rights Commission, and asked for a
copy of the relevant legislation, which I will transcribe for my
archives. I will let everyone know when it is on-line, so they can
judge for themselves.

In the meantime, I can tell you that criminal charges cannot be
brought under this legislation. A complaint, alleging violations
under the act, can be brought before the commission for their
consideration. The act, according to the person I spoke with, lays
out the entire process, along with all legal empowerments available
to the HRC. Because I don't want to misrepresent the law, and don't
fully understand it, I won't comment further until it is before me.

It is clear, however, that Mr. Hoffman's contention, that criminal
charges have been laid, is incorrect - no such charges have been
laid.


-- 
"Most of the revisionists probably have 'Vergasungskeller' themselves
to power their computer systems - living proof that a perpetuum mobile
can be built - the computer is used to manufacture manure, and the
manure used to power the computer to produce more manure." (Eric Doenges)


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In article  golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) writes:
>In article <3c9oom$iob@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@cc.keele.ac.uk (A.T.
>Fear) wrote:
>
>> Pluto Press - used to be, may still be linked with the Trotskist Socialist
>> Workers Party in England
>
>Uh oh.  Could it be that Wayne McGuire has relied for much of his
>discussion of Judaic thought on a book published by a Trotskyist Socialist
>publisher?  Hoo-hah!
>

*That* would be rich beyond anything I could have ever hoped for.
Sorta like shooting yourself in the foot with a howitzer.

>Say, where is Wayne these days?  Last I saw, Mike Stein had addressed
>Mayer, and I had asked Wayne how to square Mayer's thesis with Paul
>Johnson's discussion of the timing of the Final Solution.
>
>Yoo-hoo!  Waaaa-aaayne!  Where aaaaare you?
>

His scanner probably overheated and without it spewing forth
"original thought", he's probably dazed and confused.

--
Keith Morrison
t08o@unb.ca

Murphy's Law of Combat #2:
  Be a team player.  It gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.




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From: chip@cybernetics.net (Chip Salzenberg)
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Hoffman^2 is quite the little publisher.  But his works lack something:

According to hoffman2nd@delphi.com:
>The latest issue 12 page issue of REVISIONIST RESEARCHER MAGAZINE,
>edited by Michael A. Hoffman II is now available for sale.

So it should contain info of relevance to revisionists, right?
Historical research, references, deductions, etc?

>What About the Holocaust at Dresden and Hiroshima?

Well, that's history.  Not relevant to the Holocaust, but history.

>The Kosher Drug Money Laundry.

Okay, ... HUH??  What does modern drug dealing have to do with WWII history?

>The Republican Racket.
>Are There No Orphanages?

Sure, ... WHAT??  Modern politics are not relevant to the Holocaust.
(The Holocaust is relevant to modern politics, though.)

>Book Review. The Making Manifest of All that the Rabbis Have Hidden: Israel
>Shahaks Jewish History, Jewish Religion.

Hmm.  Why is "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" (as if there were a single
Jewish history or religion!) relevant to the Holocaust?

>Biography:Charles Bukowski: Poet, Novelist, Working Man and World War Two
>Draft Dodger.

Historical relevance?
-- 
              Chip Salzenberg, aka 
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    "Anything you say can and will be used against you!"  *SPLASH*
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hoffman2nd@delphi.com writes:
> New issue of Revisionist Researcher Magazine Now Available.
>  
Does this mean hoffman^2 is a revisionist "scholar?"

John Park
jpark@eis.calstate.edu


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In article , hoffman2nd@delphi.com wrote:

> New issue of Revisionist Researcher Magazine Now Available.
>  
> The latest issue 12 page issue of REVISIONIST RESEARCHER MAGAZINE, edited by
> Michael A. Hoffman II is now available for sale.

I would be willing to lay odds that every single article and book review
in this "magazine" was written by Hoffman.

Not only that, but I'll wager that all the books reviewed by Hoffman were
written by Hoffman.

True or false, Hoffman?

JGB

=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
 "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


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In a previous posting,  (hoffman2nd@delphi.com) writes:

> Israeli-run Khiam jail likened to Nazi camps
[tales of atrocity, possibly even true, deleted]

Wait a minute. I thought that the Nazi camps were supposed to be luxury
resorts with swimming pools and brothels. You can't have it both ways.


--
John Baglow			"Listen to the fool's reproach! it is a
				 kingly title!"
					--William Blake			


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From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Subject: Re: New Issue of Revisionist Researcher Magazine Now Available
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In article , Michael Hoffman II, who
makes his living off in the Holocaust Denial industry, flogs yet
another item of 'revisionist scholarship, a "New issue of Revisionist 
Researcher Magazine."
 
>  The latest issue 12 page issue of REVISIONIST RESEARCHER MAGAZINE, 
>  edited by Michael A. Hoffman II is now available for sale.

In the course of his 'revisionist research,' Mr. Hoffman has
apparently not yet addressed the falsehoods he offered this
newsgroup regarding "criminal charges" he asserted had been brought
against Doug Collins. When I pointed out that this assertion was
false, and asked Mr. Hoffman to substantiate it, he followed the
well-trodden path of his fellow deniers, and simply became silent on
the matter.

Such is the nature of our "revisionist researcher," who seems to
acquire Greg Raven's May 4th. Myopia when faced with requests for
_proof_ of his assertions.
 
>Contents include:
>What About the Holocaust at Dresden and Hiroshima? We take on the proposed
>U.S. postage stamp celebrating the atomic bombing of Japan as well as the
>American Legion and other veterans groups who have demanded that the Smithsonian
>tone down its exhibit on the incineration of the Japanese. A very relevant
>editorial timed to coincide with the 50th Anniversary of the Allied Holocaust at
>Dresden (Feb. 14,1995).

Tu quoque was not a valid defense at the International Military
Tribunal, nor is it now.

[Material with no relevance to alt.revisionism deleted, along with
Mr. Hoffman's plea for your money.]

-- 
  "Everything I do is done with the full knowledge of the Fuehrer." 
  (Himmler, Heinrich.  See Jochen von Lang, "Der Adjutant: Karl Wolff,"
                Munich: Herbig, 1985, pp .  140ff)


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Thomas Doyal  wrote:

# Lets hear something from the holocaust crowd about the unjustness 
# of putting someone in prison for expressing his opinion. 

First, I recall that this Althans was also sentenced for praising
Hitler etc, which is also a crime in Germany.

Anyway, I hereby repeat my opinion against the German law 
regarding denial of the Holocaust. 

One can only speculate why the law was adopted; probably because
Germans have the most to fear from a horde of Nazi swines taking
over their country again. Last time this happened, the Nazis 
led Germany into a war which it eventually lost, and committed
one of the worst crimes in history. Obviously, most Germans
don't want this to happen again.


-Danny Keren.



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hoffman2nd@delphi.com wrote:
:  
: ----------Dec. 15 REUTERS
: Neo-Nazi Althans Sentenced To 18 Months Imprisonment
: Munich (dpa) - The Neo-Nazi Bela Ewald Althans was sentenced to 18 months
: in prison without probation for denying the holocaust.  The Munich district
: court found the 28 year-old guilty of incitement, disparagement of the memory
: of the deceased and the spreading of markings of unconstitutional
: organisations.  The prosecuting attorneys had called for a two and a half
: year sentence.
:  
Lets hear something from the holocaust  crowd about the unjustness of 
putting someone in prison for expressing his opinion. No. All you will 
get is 
"I'm for free speech" You will not get outrage about this man going to 
jail for expressing his opinion.  They are for free speech for them not 
the opposing view.  The JDL is likely to make an unwelcome visit if they 
were to do so. 


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Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionist Sentenced to 18 Months Imprisonment
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In article  doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal) writes:

>Lets hear something from the holocaust  crowd about the unjustness of 
>putting someone in prison for expressing his opinion. No. All you will 
>get is 
>"I'm for free speech" You will not get outrage about this man going to 
>jail for expressing his opinion.  They are for free speech for them not 
>the opposing view.  The JDL is likely to make an unwelcome visit if they 
>were to do so. 

I believe it is unjust to jail Holocaust deniers, here, or anywhere
else. What Germans believe, however, is their business. (I do not
support German actions in this regard, lest you misunderstand.)

Still haven't heard from the JDL, Doyal... and that means no visits,
welcome or unwelcome... so much for another of your unsupported
assertions, which must now join your "the Russians started the war"
folly...


-- 

"However, it is sophistry to proclaim that something must have happened a
certain way because your `reason' demands it." (Greg Raven, Institute for
Historical Review)


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From: hoffman2nd@delphi.com
>The latest issue 12 page issue of REVISIONIST RESEARCHER MAGAZINE, edited by
>Michael A. Hoffman II is now available for sale.
> 
>Contents include:
>What About the Holocaust at Dresden and Hiroshima?

What about it? Has anyone denied these events occurred?

>We take on the proposed
>U.S. postage stamp celebrating the atomic bombing of Japan

In a rare show of good sense the post office has cancelled plans for
this stamp.

Whether it was *celebrating* the atomic bombing or just felt it
belonged in that series of stamps depicting historical events of WWII
remains arguable.

But I do think it was in poor taste, for what it's worth.

I also think you live with devils that don't exist, must be hell.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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On 15 Dec 1994, Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:

> In article , hoffman2nd@delphi.com wrote:
> 
> > New issue of Revisionist Researcher Magazine Now Available.
> >  
[> > The latest issue 12 page issue of REVISIONIST RESEARCHER MAGAZINE, 
edited by > > Michael A. Hoffman II is now available for sale.
> 
> I would be willing to lay odds that every single article and book review
> in this "magazine" was written by Hoffman.
>[B 
> Not only that, but I'll wager that all the books reviewed by Hoffman were
> written by Hoffman.
> 
> True or false, Hoffman?
> 


  True, big money in racism..


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In article  hoffman2nd@delphi.com writes:
> 
>----------Dec. 15 REUTERS
>Neo-Nazi Althans Sentenced To 18 Months Imprisonment

Glad to see Mr. Hoffman's active again - perhaps now he will provide
documented proof that criminal charges have been brought against
Doug Collins and John Ball?

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Nizkor Project ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"However, it is sophistry to proclaim that something must have happened a
certain way because your `reason' demands it." (Greg Raven, Institute for
Historical Review)


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From: hoffman2nd@delphi.com
>****************************************************
>Is Judaism Institutionalized Insanity? Part One.
>****************************************************
>Copyright 1994 By Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.
	...
>The insanity of Judaism has spread itself over a Judaized world and corrupted
>the whole of the West.


Mr Hoffman,

I thank you for this piece, with all sincerity.

See, when I tell people that these Holocaust deniers are just vile
anti-semitic hate mongerers some wonder if I am perhaps exagerrating
or just expressing a knee-jerk reaction. Calling someone a "nazi" has
become such an over-used epithet that it tends to be viewed with some
suspicion.

But as long as we have you and your materials we need only hand them
to a doubter, unedited and in full, and they blanch and apologize for
ever doubting this characterization for a moment. No further comment
is ever necessary.

For that, I thank you!

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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After a short leave of absence, the rather distinguishable Michael
A. Hoffman II (Hoffie^2) has returned to alt.revisionism.  His
return was heralded by the (in)famous list of all those films and TV
shows out to get them rotten Huns while making the Jooos look great.
The following is his second message.  Just in time for those KotY
votes...

[crossposted from alt.revisionism]

In article  hoffman2nd@delphi.com writes:
>****************************************************
>Is Judaism Institutionalized Insanity? Part One.
>****************************************************
>Copyright 1994 By Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.
>
>In the wake of reading former Belsen concentration camp inmate and Hebrew
>University professor emeritus Israel Shahaks outstanding new book, JEWISH
>HISTORY, JEWISH RELIGION (U.S.$18.95 postpaid from Wiswell Ruffin House, POBox
>236, Dresden, NY 14441; overseas add U.S.$5.00), I have taken up the
>contemplation, reluctantly once again, of the possibility that Judaism is a form
>of insanity.
>
>I say reluctantly because every religion has the right to its own story, some
>individual Jews of my acquaintance are brilliant, lucid, witty and eminently
>genuine and because the investigation of the possible psychotic character of
>Judaism is potentially a rhetorical engine without a flywheel.
>
>And yet one encounters a strangely alluring configuration of factors which
>impels the investigation of this subject, not the least of which is the failure
>of the media and academy to takeit up.
>
>Friedrich Nietzsche stated: >>The Jews are the most remarkable people in history
>because, whenever they have been faced with the question, >To be or not to be,<
>they have always decided, with an uncanny insight, to be at any price: even if
>that price was the radical falsification of human nature, naturalness, reality,
>and the entire inner world as well as the external world.<<
>
>The professor of philology was fortunate to have made that statement in 19th
>century Germany. Now he would be arrested and imprisoned in Germany for such
>statements.
>
>Ditlieb Felderer, a former Jehovahs Witness is now incarcerated in Sweden, the
>land of swinging sexual freedom, which gave us the first mainstream porno flick
>(>>I am Curious Yellow<< which, in the days before VCRs, even managed to entice
>Madame Onassis into a public theater to catch the action). Felderer is serving a
>one year sentence on a charge related to the distribution of pornography.
>
>Of course, if you were to guess that the Swingin Swedes do not usually imprison
>sexual pornographers you would be right. Felderers >pornography< is of the
>politically satirical kind. He has for years distributed cartoons lampooning the
>sacred religion of the New World Order, THE HOLOCAUST.
>
>Hence his satire is >pornography< in the eyes of the Swingin Swedes just as
>Salman Rushdies book is pornography in the eyes of the mullahs with one key
>difference: the Iranians dont claim to hold Western values of freedom of speech
>and press whereas hypocritical Sweden does.
>
> Moreover Sweden has made a loud show of hailing Salman Rushdie and other
>anti-Muslim dissidents while tossing anti-Zionist Felderer into a jail cell.
>
>Felderer is not only a satirist. Dr. Robert Faurisson, formerly of Lyon
>University and the leading historian of World War Two revisionism, regards
>Felderer as the preeminent archaeologist of the Auschwitz Concentration camp.
>
>In fact, Felderers expert photographic documentation of the fraudulent exhibits
>at the camp in the 1970s is perhaps the finest extant. But due to complaints
>from Jewish potentates the government of Sweden has given Felderer a one year
>jail sentence.
>
>Did you hear about this writers imprisonment on ABC Radio News or read of it in
>U.S. News and World Report or the New York Times or the Washington Post? Surely
>not. Felderer is not a Zionist or an enemy of the Arabs so how could his
>imprisonment by Sweden interest the great human rights-oriented media executives
>of America?
>
>Meditating on Felderers lonely fate and the publicity vacuum which has
>permitted his jailing with impunity, I thought of a reporter who covers the
>Hollywood beat for the New York Times, Bernard Weinraub.
>
>Mr. Weinraub, in the course of a Times piece impugning the integrity of the
>English journalist William Cash, made a hilarious statement. It is one of those
>achingly funny remarks that evokes alternating compulsions to laugh and cry. It
>is so excruciatingly insane that laughter must win out.
>
>Mr. Weinraub asserted:
>>>...Hollywood executives have traditionally gone out of their way to avoid
>making films with Jewish themes...except Schindlers List and one or two
>others...<< (N.Y. Times, p. C-11, Nov. 7, 1994).
>
>And one or two others?!  Was this a misprint for one or two thousand others?
>
>One of my hobbies is researching and cataloging films and television programs
>with Jewish themes. Elsewhere in this news group I have posted the fruit of my
>labor, which I update every month or so, under the heading, >>Hollywood Hate
>Propaganda Documented.<<
>
>In that thread the reader will discover literally hundreds of films showcasing
>Jewish piety, Jewish sainthood, Jewish probity, Jewish compassion and Jewish
>wisdom and excoriating a certain race of central Europeans as fiends from hell,
>monsters of evil, congenital murderers, satanic sadists, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
>
>It is hate propaganda in a human rights mask.
>
>So where has Mr. Weinraub been? Is he perhaps a Hollywood reporter who doesnt
>go to the movies? Perhaps he doesnt own a television?
>
>How has he managed to miss the veritable Niagara of flicks,  programs and movies
>--thousands of Jewish-themed films cascading over the public consciousness for
>the past forty years?
>
>How can Weinraub, a reporter for the leading secular Jewish newspaper in the
>world, as well as the editors charged with fact-checking his copy, get away with
>such a whacko observation?
>
>Could it be that when it comes to criticism of the Jews, Jews become insane and
>in Nietzsches words, radically falsify reality as a form of defense of their
>being?
>
>The Simon Wiesenthal Center, together with a Canadian Human Rights Commission
>which employs a thought policeman charged with spying on Canadians who criticize
>Jews on the Internet  (Mr. Harvey Goldberg:ae763@freenet.carleton.ca) are
>engaged in a determined campaign to prosecute, penalize and otherwise interdict
>Internet writers who incur their displeasure.
>
>Let us imagine that  Rev. Jeb Calhoun, chairman of the Americans for a Moral
>Majority was to lead a crusade to prosecute, penalize and otherwise interdict
>those who criticized Christians and Christianity on the Internet.
>
>Can one even conceive of the rivers of outrage and arch satire that would pore
>forth from the pens and mouths of everyone from Doonesbury to Sam Donaldson like
>lava from Mount Vesuvius in the face of such an attempt?
>
>But when Jews seek to censor, it is not a subject for establishment media
>indignation and massive protest. In fact, to oppose Jewish censorship becomes a
>form of hate in this surpassing strange universe.
>
>Part of the problem is Shahaks magisterial work. It is inescapable. It pursues
>you. Just when you thought you could say, >>Aw, to hell with protesting and
>exposing Jewish supremacy and hate-mongering. Nobody cares. Its not worth it.
>The price is too steep<< along comes Dr. Shahak with his searing, branding iron
>of a book which burns the truth into you indelibly.
>
>Take for instance Shahaks citation of the Kol Nidre rite in Judaism as
>testimony to the mentality of dissimulation that pervades Judaism.
>
>Prof. Shahak: >>What is popularly regarded as the most >holy< and solemn
>occasion of the Jewish liturgical year, attended even by very many Jews who are
>otherwise far from religion? It is the Kol Nidrey prayer on the eve of Yom
>Kippur--a chanting of a particularly absurd and deceptive dispensation, by which
>all private vows made to God in the following year are declared in advance to be
>null and void?<<(Jewish History, p. 48).
>
>What sort of religion ritualizes lying? How is it that this religion has come to
>be regarded as the most divine in the world by the rulers of public image?
>
>To answer we must resort to Nietzsche again. Nietzsche and Shahak, two pillars
>of radical lucidity polarized against radical falsification, with Shahak the
>more startling.  He lives in occupied Palestine under the rule of the rabbis and
>therefore risks his life to write as he has (as he himself indirectly testifies;
>cf. p. 17).
>
>So what of the desire to punish historians?To jail writers? To silence
>cartoonists?To bring the mechanisms of state violence against intellectuals and
>wordsmiths?
>
>In a radically falsified intellectual terrain it does not signify as long as the
>victims are revisionists or Germans or Palestinians.
>
>The insanity of Judaism has spread itself over a Judaized world and corrupted
>the whole of the West. Hence the human rights concerns and Amnesty
>Internationals of the West are a sham, a fact not lost on  Muslim
>Fundamentalists.
>
> Obviously revisionists are not human and they deserve no amnesty. Judaism
>decrees that the goy is not human but a limb of Satan (Hassidic Hatanya text
>cited by Shahak, p. 27)  and only Jews are righteous while Christians are to be
>exterminated (Maimonides; cited by Shahak, pp. 24-25). In fact the Christians
>were exterminated under the Jewish Bolsheviks of Russia, though the dumb goyim
>have failed to make a single movie about this anti-Christian holocaust
>(presumably they are waiting for Hollywood to make one for them).
>
>What then is the argument with Judaism? It is essentially a Jeffersonian one:
>one seeks, as a birthright, the pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness.
>
>I want to be proud of my German heritage, to freely advocate that the Allied
>holocaust against Hamburg and Dresden was worse than what happened at Dachau and
>Auschwitz. I want to poke fun at the pompous and the deluded and the religiously
>fanatic.
>
>But if I undertake this mission I can expect to have my novels suppressed by the
>major publishing houses, my employment curtailed and my career destroyed. A
>blacklist is maintained by the Anti-Defamation League of Bnai Brith (ADL).  If
>the ADL and the Wiesenthal Center get their way, I may one day be jailed for
>writing as I please in the U.S., as writers critical of Judaism in Canada,
>Germany, France,Sweden and England have been. I may yet be censored on the
>Internet if the rabbis are allowed to bully service providers.
>
>No Jew in the West need fear jail or censorship for directing hatred and
>contempt at the German people. They may poke fun with complete freedom at
>pompous Christians and declare that Auschwitz was far worse than Dresden. They
>can say with impunity and with congratulations from the highbrows, that Jesus
>never existed.
>
>No Internet provider would dare expel a Jew on grounds of being hatefully
>anti-Christian, but revisionists cannot say that homicidal gas chambers in
>Auschwitz never existed without being hounded by rabbis seeking to suppress our
>voices. These rabbis (such as Abraham Cooper) have clout and multi-million
>dollar budgets and access to reporters and TV producers who think as they do.
>
>We have above us in the U.S. a new class. Bill Grimstad in his great work >>The
>Six Million Reconsidered<< quoted a Russian peasant woman in the 1930s who was
>asked in the midst of her field work who she thought ran Russia.She said >>We
>are ruled by the Jews.<< I too, a poor devil scrivener, must echo her words, the
>chorus of the butter rebellion, the refrain of the eternally-skimmed, we in
>America are ruled by Jews.
>
>(Spare me the inventory of Gentile frontmen necessary for maintaining the
>charade. These lickspittles mostly --not always, but in key policy decisions--
>do as the top Zionists decree, from Clinton on down).
>
>If there is a remedy it must lie with humor. Shahaks book, alas, will be read
>only by the underground. It is scholarly. It is unreviewed. It does not even
>have a U.S. publisher (it was printed in London, England by the Pluto Press).
>
>The breakthrough will come only though humor and satire. Liberation for the Jew
>and those enslaved to Judeo-idolatry can come about only when the preposterous
>pomposity of the Wiesels and Wiesenthals is held up to the scrutiny of the
>belly-laugh.
>
>This is why the Rabbi Coopers of the world must fail and why the cartoonists and
>satirists such as Felderer and yours truly must be free to lampoon and guffaw at
>the expense of all high priests, all emperors without clothes, all sacred icons,
>no matter how much their mythology of victimization presumes to exalt them above
>mere humanity.
>
>The higher the Zionists sail on the winds of their cult of flatulent fawning,
>the harder they will fall when their sails are trimmed by the barbs of wit.
>
>I affirm that Judaism is a form of insanity.
>
>But so too is Christianity, at least the version peddled in the worldly churches
>and licensed by the IRS.
>
>However, one is free to mock Christianity but one must  flatter Judaism, on pain
>of imprisonment, on the specious grounds that its votaries have only recently
>emerged from the ashes of holocaust; as if the German people came through the
>little bagatelle known as the Second World War unscathed.
>
>Holocaust! How does that neologism cover a multitude of sins and provide the
>groundwork for the radical falsification of everything!
>
>Copyright 1994 by Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.
>.
>.
--
Keith Morrison     Murphy's Law of Combat #6
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From: old-salt@li.net (Old-Salt)
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hoffman2nd@delphi.com wrote:
:   ********************************************************************
:              HATE PROPAGANDA IN A HUMAN RIGHTS MASK
:                                        December, 1994 Edition
:                                Compiled by Michael A. Hoffman II
:    Copyright 1994 by Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.
: ***********************************************************************
:  
	

: Hate Propaganda in a Human Rights Mask. December, 1994 edition. 1994 by Michael
: A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.
: (Hoffman edits Revisionist Researcher Magazine. For the issue devoted to
: analyzing the lies in Schindlers List, send $6. A six issue subscription is
: $30. 12 issue subscription: $50. (U.S. Funds/U.S. Bank). Checks payable to
: Wiswell Ruffin House).
:  
:  
:                   Wiswell Ruffin House
:        P.O. Box 236, Dresden, N.Y. 14441
: Send U.S. $3 for our catalog of books and tapes. (Free with any magazine order
: or subscription).

	Over 1500 lines for this nazi ad.  Give me a break, I hope you 
get letter bombed off the Net.  BTW, by letter bomb, not the type that 
blows up the evil (German) Nazi to bits, but the type that gets you 
kicked off of your access to the Net.

-- 
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In article , hoffman2nd@delphi.com wrote:

> The professor of philology was fortunate to have made that statement in 19th
> century Germany. Now he would be arrested and imprisoned in Germany for such
> statements.
> I affirm that Judaism is a form of insanity.
>  
> But so too is Christianity, at least the version peddled in the worldly
churches
> and licensed by the IRS.
>  
> However, one is free to mock Christianity but one must  flatter Judaism,
on pain
> of imprisonment, on the specious grounds that its votaries have only recently
> emerged from the ashes of holocaust; as if the German people came through the
> little bagatelle known as the Second World War unscathed.
>  
> Holocaust! How does that neologism cover a multitude of sins and provide the
> groundwork for the radical falsification of everything!

You would do much better on this point if you could separate the issues
involved. Criticism of Judaism or Christianity as a religion is valid, but
this is the wrong newsgroup for it. Making absurd statements about the
power which Jews allegedly possess simply damages your credibility, and is
also irrelevant to this newsgroup.

Nonetheless, you do address a core of legitimate censorship issues, deeply
buried as it is. In Germany, it is illegal under what Americans would call
a "hate speech" law to deny the historical truth of the Holocaust. Other
European countries, I understand, have similar laws. These laws are
illegitimate and belong properly to Nazi-like governments, not to
governments which repudiate National Socialism. 

But when you make such nonsensical claims as that the Christians in Russia
were "exterminated," by Jewish Bolsheviks or any other kind of Bolsheviks,
you show that you aren't a reliable source on actual instances of
censorship.

I expect that with the large amount of nonsense that you mix the actual
instances of censorship with, this thread will soon lose all sight of
those points.

-- 
          Gary McGath
          gmcgath@condes.mv.com
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In article  hoffman2nd@delphi.com writes:

>Schindlers List. Steven Spielbergs epic, three hour showcase of the evils of
>German soldiers. Academy Award, Best Picture.

I heard an interview with some of the Schindler Jews, their reaction
to the film, "It wasn't like that, it was much worse" 
 
>Schindler. Documentary about Oscar Schindler, the righteous gentile buried in
>Israel, one of the few Germans who was not an evil cretin.
Actualy Schindler was a Check.

Zach



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Subject: Re: Is Judaism a Form of Insanity?
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Well, it certainly seems that a "form of insanity" has been correctly
identified in these postings, but I suspect it's that of the *poster*
not his intended targets :).

How *anyone* could spend years collecting and collating such material is
beyond me! Given the number of atrocities that the Germans *were*
responsible for in World War II - from turning flamethrowers on British
wounded under the protection of Red Cross flags at Arnhem; massacring
Allied officer escapees from Colditz; brutalizing and wiping out French,
Italian and Polish civilians and villages; starving and experimenting on
Russian prisoners of war; machine-gunning Italian hostages in the catacombs
outside Rome; the Stuka dive-bombing - with sirens attached, to deliberately
heighten the terror - and destruction of the open and defenseless city of
Rotterdam; to the obscenities committed against the Jewish inhabiants of
Germany, and then Europe, during the Holocaust - I'd think that you wouldn't
want to *remind* us of what the Germans have been so recently capable and
guilty of! That there were many brave, honourable and decent Germans at the
time, no one disputes; that this nation surrendered its soul to evil and
collectively committed, consented to, or permitted evil and barbaric acts
should be beyond dispute!

If I were Jewish, I don't think that *I'd* want the world to forget, either.
And if I were Jewish, I'd probably take the Germans as being representative
of "Christian civilisation", and have no great trust in, or respect, for
that, either. And if I were Jewish and read *your* posts, I'd be convinced
that I was *right* on both counts!

All that is required for the groundwork for these horrors to be laid
again is for insidiously-evil and rascist "documentation" like yours
to be given credence and respect. It's worthy of neither.

Now I really think, having revealed this "insanity" to the rest of us,
that you should get your obsessive and compulsive fixations treated
by a competent therapist. Mengele might be able to help - you'd
find him empathetic, too, and eager to try some new approaches on you :).

                                John W.


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Date: Sun, 01 Jan 95 05:52:32 GMT

In article <30DEC94.24574070.0036@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Keith Morrison  writes:

>After a short leave of absence, the rather distinguishable Michael
>A. Hoffman II (Hoffie^2) has returned to alt.revisionism.  His
>return was heralded by the (in)famous list of all those films and TV
>shows out to get them rotten Huns while making the Jooos look great.
>The following is his second message.  Just in time for those KotY
>votes...
>
>[crossposted from alt.revisionism]
>
>In article  hoffman2nd@delphi.com writes:
>>****************************************************
>>Is Judaism Institutionalized Insanity? Part One.
>>****************************************************
>>Copyright 1994 By Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.

Since it would appear that the voting results for November, 1994,
will never be announced, I feel it only appropriate to see to it
that Mr. Hoffman^2 receives the adulation due him.

I therefore nominate Hoffie^2 as DECEMBER KotM - any seconders?

-- 
"Mr XXXXXXX is obviously Jewish and a living  example of why the Nazis 
tried to remove Jews from Europe and short of that, into concentration 
camps for the duration of the war."        (Fritz Berg, June 26, 1994)
 ============================ Nizkor ================================


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From: carol@alaska.net (Carol)
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In article , hoffman2nd@delphi.com wrote:

>The insanity of Judaism has spread itself over a Judaized world and corrupted
>the whole of the West. Hence the human rights concerns and Amnesty
>Internationals of the West are a sham, a fact not lost on  Muslim
>Fundamentalists.
> 

>The higher the Zionists sail on the winds of their cult of flatulent fawning,
>the harder they will fall when their sails are trimmed by the barbs of wit.
> 
>I affirm that Judaism is a form of insanity.
> 

You are so right.  Jews are lying, thieving, stealing, sub-human
scum.  Their secret dark rites involving the ritual murder of
young christian virgin girls would disgust all right thinking
people.

To bad we have all the money, huh? 

As for the plot for total world domination, I got the instructions
for what I must do by FedEx yesterday.  It seems my job is to
remind you of how pointless you and your tiny little paranoid
sub-brain are.

But of course, I did goof one thing!!! You aren't paranoid!!!!

They are out to get you!!  Taking over the world is just a
way to get to you!  I don't mean your kind.  I mean you
specificly as a single human being!

That whole Hitler thing was just our way of setting the
world up so we could get to you!!!  You wern't even born
yet and we were planning on it!

We killed Christ just to get the ball rolling to get to you.
Hell, that whole apple thing with Eve in the Garden was just
the first step in our long, long, long plan to get you!

Once the Jews get you, our work on this planet will be done,
and we can return to the mothership.

Watch out your windows!!! When are the Jews coming?  Jews
often dress as meter men, paper boys, cable repair guys, or
for the big jobs, as postmen!!!  

So stop your cable, disconnect your power, and never get any
mail and you'll be safe from the Jews.  Unless that
neigbor of yours with the loud dogs is a Jew?  What about
that nosey lady across the street?  And that brat kid
who just looks funny?  (yea, the one who picks his nose!)

Sometimes Jews like to sneak into houses in the form of
your own family members!!!  There're everywhere!  When
you sleep do you see them in the dark?  Looking at you?
Do you see them smiling?  Showing their teeth?  Their
foul grin mocking you?  That's them.

Have yourself a Happy New Year, and by the way, Shalom!

A.C.

-- 
Andrew Carol     "Could be worse.  Could be raining."
carol@alaska.net    carol@ctis.af.mil    71350.3646@compuserve.com


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Well, thanks a lot. Personally I would have preferred a brief synopsis
and instructions on where to find the full text should I decide that I
wish to download it.
--
Phil Martin


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hoffman2nd@delphi.com writes:

[mega-lines of anti-Semitism drivel deleted]
> 
>              Wiswell Ruffin House. POBox 236, Dresden, New York XXXXX.
>International publishers and distributors of revisionist  books and videotapes.

How far did this guy search to base his publishing house of hate in a town
with the same name as one in Germany?
-- 
David Fiedler  Internet:david@infopro.com  Phone:916/677-5870  FAX:916/677-5873
USMail:InfoPro Systems/Advanced Media Productions, PO Box 220, Rescue, CA 95672 
Send mail with "info mixmasters" in the body to listserv@infopro.com if you're
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From: mstein@access1.digex.net (Michael P. Stein)
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In article ,   wrote:

>I want to poke fun at the pompous and the deluded

    Keith, I think we have a real winner for your quote collection here....
-- 
Mike Stein			The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420			Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA  22210		position of my employer.


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In article <3e6r0s$sp0@access1.digex.net> mstein@access1.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>In article ,   wrote:
>
>>I want to poke fun at the pompous and the deluded
>
>    Keith, I think we have a real winner for your quote collection here....

Argh, I can't believe I missed that, especially since I x-posted
that article to a.u.k.  Thanks, Mike.

--
Keith Morrison  |  Best Redundant Movie Title:
t08o@unb.ca     |    "I Was a 16 Year Old Alien from Outer Space"



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In a previous posting,  (hoffman2nd@delphi.com) writes:
>   ********************************************************************
>              HATE PROPAGANDA IN A HUMAN RIGHTS MASK
>                                        December, 1994 Edition
>                                Compiled by Michael A. Hoffman II
>    Copyright 1994 by Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved.
> ***********************************************************************
>  
> The New Cinematic Genre: HATE THE GENTILES. WORSHIP THE PHARISEES
>  
> A documented compendium of hundreds of mendacious movies and TV programs,
> promulgated under the guise of advancing >human rights< while negatively
> stereotyping, defaming and libeling Germans, Christians, Muslims and Gentiles
> and advocating the servile idolization and adoration of Jews.

	Lets see what "hate" there is here.

> The Frozen Dead. A monstrously evil German scientist conducts experiments to
> resuscitate 1500 Nazis who were frozen alive.

	The smae thing happened in nazi prison camps in real life, except
they did not try to bring back the jews and gypsies.

> The Lucifer Complex. Suspense chiller about a plot by evil German scientists to
> conquer the world by replacing leaders with cloned lookalikes.

	Evil german or evil nazi? Big difference.
  
> Victory. Members of an evil German soccer team cheat in order to win a
> championship.

	There are thousands of jock-type movies, each must have a bad guy
and a good guy. In this case, the bad guys are german.

> Marathon Man. A graduate student is thrust into a violent encounter with a
> blood-thirsty German fiend in New York.

	I saw a film with a fat italian guy from outer space who ate people.


> The  Lunatic. Inga, a  sex-crazy German bimbo, travels to the Caribbean to
> demand coitus-on-command from an innocent and pure Black man (Paul Campbell).

	This sounds a lot like "The beaverly hillbillies" or "The loin
king". Barely a full reference.

>  
> Ilsa-She Wolf of the SS. A sadistic, monstrously evil German woman
becomes head > torturer at a concentration camp. 

	Is this like "Space sluts in the slammer?"

> Raiders of the Lost Ark. Stephen Spielberg's film about evil Germans pitted
> against a brave archaeologist.

	You may have noticed i have deleted half of your titles. You
confuse "german" with "Nazi" quite often. They are not even remotely
similar. 
	In this case, you really screw up. The evil german archaeologist
who is pitted against Indiana isn't really evil, he is forced into it by
the weird guy with glasses. As i recall, he does show a bit of hesitation
when indiana was thrown in the snake pit.

	All done with the nazis? 

> Lodz Ghetto. Inspiring film about the noble spirituality of the Jewish religion
> as its adherents suffer horrible torments and slavery at the hands of fiendish
> Germans.

	No, i guess we wern't done after all.

> For Those I Loved. Story of a gallant Jewish Holocaust Survivor and the
> unspeakable persecutions he suffered at the hands of evil Germans.

	Sigh...

> Star Trek. On the outer planet Ekos, Capt. Kirk (Wm. Shatner) attempts to
> prevent history from repeating, when a neo-Nazi tries to take over the universe.
> Spock: Leonard Nimoy.

	Finally, one that almost makes sense. I'll delete the rest of your
post and get back.
	Ok, i admit that star trek is blatently anti-arabic in places. The
vulcans are very clearly based on jewish mythology, and the klingons are
almost arabic (at least in the films). The klingon language in the
original series sounded to me a lot like some eastern languages i have
heard. 
	To accept this as gospel would be stretching it, but i admit you
have a minor point.

> Schindlers List. Steven Spielbergs epic, three hour showcase of the evils of
> German soldiers. Academy Award, Best Picture.

	The germans were potrayed very well. I actually felt sorry for the
commandant of the death camp.


	AT LAST! That was the longest post i have ever seen, congrats.
	
	BTW, some systems wipe out anything above a certain number of
lines or kb size. You might consider splitting your posts.

	And you missed one to boot:

Captain America: A child is hideously disfigured by evil nazi experiments
and becomes "The red skull". A german ex-patriot repeats the experiment on
an american child, without the disfiguration, and produces "Captain
America". Captain america and the evil red skull do battle, Capt. America
wins (of course).

--
"To do nothing is as fatal as to do evil, but it is more cowardly. The
most unpardonable of mortal sins is inertia." -Eliphas Levi
"A chain of iron is easier to break than a chain of flowers"-Eliphas Levi


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From: Keith Morrison 
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In article  ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Stuart) writes:
>
>> Star Trek. On the outer planet Ekos, Capt. Kirk (Wm. Shatner) attempts to
>> prevent history from repeating, when a neo-Nazi tries to take over the universe.
>> Spock: Leonard Nimoy.
>
> Finally, one that almost makes sense. I'll delete the rest of your
>post and get back.
> Ok, i admit that star trek is blatently anti-arabic in places. The
>vulcans are very clearly based on jewish mythology, and the klingons are
>almost arabic (at least in the films). The klingon language in the
>original series sounded to me a lot like some eastern languages i have
>heard.

Really?  The only thing "Jewish" about the Vulcans that I was aware
of was the hand salute.  For the uninitiated, yes, it is Jewish.
Nimoy thought of using it as a symbol because it would not be known
to most people and in fact, strictly speaking, should not be known by
most Jews since the gesture is made during part of the service when
the people are not supposed to look at the rabbi but Nimoy, as a
child would do, sneaked a peek.  You could consider it analogous to
the outstretched arm(s) of a Christian minister or priest at the end
of the service when he gives the final blessing and everyone is
supposed to be bowed in prayer, but of course the kids are looking
around.

Secondly, there was no Klingon spoken in the original series.

Why do you say the Klingons are arabic?  In the original series the
makeup was clearly arranged to make them look like Mongols.  In most
of the films, you don't see them long enough to make any judgement,
and they do not appear in numbers 2, 3 and 4.  They are onscreen
about three minutesin the first film, a few minutes in number 5 and
are clearly based on the Soviet Union in number 6.

Finally, the language, as created by Marc Okrand, a linguist, is not
based on any specific language.  The gutteral, spitting
pronounciation was meant to seem alien to most viewers (ie, in the
west) where that type of language is rare.

You might want to watch fewer pornos and more Trek ;> (The Loin King?)
--
Keith Morrison |    "What can I say?  I'm a spy." - True Lies
t08o@unb.ca    |



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In a previous posting, Keith Morrison (T08O@UNB.CA) writes:
> In article  ah787@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Bill Stuart) writes:
>>
>>> Star Trek. On the outer planet Ekos, Capt. Kirk (Wm. Shatner) attempts to
>>> prevent history from repeating, when a neo-Nazi tries to take over the universe.
>>> Spock: Leonard Nimoy.
>>
>> Finally, one that almost makes sense. I'll delete the rest of your
>>post and get back.
>> Ok, i admit that star trek is blatently anti-arabic in places. The
>>vulcans are very clearly based on jewish mythology, and the klingons are
>>almost arabic (at least in the films). The klingon language in the
>>original series sounded to me a lot like some eastern languages i have
>>heard.
> 
> Really?  The only thing "Jewish" about the Vulcans that I was aware
> of was the hand salute.  For the uninitiated, yes, it is Jewish.

	In ST:2, Saavak enters spock's room and he is lighting a
candelabera and there are lots of religious things there too. The only
thing i can say about judaism is that they use candelaberas. Besides,
nimoy said that on an interview too :)

> Nimoy thought of using it as a symbol because it would not be known
> to most people and in fact, strictly speaking, should not be known by
> most Jews since the gesture is made during part of the service when
> the people are not supposed to look at the rabbi but Nimoy, as a
> child would do, sneaked a peek.  You could consider it analogous to
> the outstretched arm(s) of a Christian minister or priest at the end
> of the service when he gives the final blessing and everyone is
> supposed to be bowed in prayer, but of course the kids are looking
> around.
> 
> Secondly, there was no Klingon spoken in the original series.

	There are a few grunts here and there.

> Why do you say the Klingons are arabic?  In the original series the
> makeup was clearly arranged to make them look like Mongols.  In most
> of the films, you don't see them long enough to make any judgement,
> and they do not appear in numbers 2, 3 and 4.  They are onscreen

	They were most definitely in ST:3. Kirk's son david was killed on
the genesis planet by one of them, giving us the quote "I could never
forgive klingons for the death of my son.". Christopher Lloyd plays the
lead klingon bad guy. 
	I am fairly sure they were in ST:2, they were after the genesis
device to use as a weapon.

	The klingon religion in both series is based or seems to have some
basis in middle eastern religions. Klingons do not cut their hair, as
sikhs do not. Klingons wear cerimonial daggers and use weapons in their
religious rituals, as do sikhs.
	The Maquis/cardassia struggle is very much like the israel/arab
stuggle. It's also much like the french/english struggle. 

> Finally, the language, as created by Marc Okrand, a linguist, is not
> based on any specific language.  The gutteral, spitting
> pronounciation was meant to seem alien to most viewers (ie, in the
> west) where that type of language is rare.
> 
> You might want to watch fewer pornos and more Trek ;> (The Loin King?)

	I could swear some of the titles he posted were pornos just by the
description. 
--
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most unpardonable of mortal sins is inertia." -Eliphas Levi
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I suspect anyone out there with way too much free time could rewrite the
descriptions of any number of t.v. shows and movies to "prove" a conspiracy 
would be able to manage it. Having actually seen some of the things listed in 
that obscenly long post, I know that the desciptions are extremely misleading.
I hope nobody out there actually believes that junk.
P.S. You have the dubious honor of being the first entry in my kill file.

--
Shadowplay-(elighton@ultrix.ramapo.edu)
 "Greed is for amateurs. Disorder...chaos
...anarchy...now that's FUN!"


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We're coming up on the anniversary of the fall of the Warsaw Ghetto...
I've read Hoffman's posts, and I guess I have a few things to add.
	Anti-semitism isn't limited to Germans - it was only the Germans
who were arrogant enough to put the Final Solution into action.  The only
Europe cooperated with
them.  The Ukrainians eagerly assisted with Babi-Yar; the Poles generously
assisted with Polish Jews.  The Catholic Church, claiming it only had an
obligation to Catholics, turned a blind eye. The United States, out of
anti-semitism, turned away refugees; during and after the war, Great
Britain refused immigration to Palestine.
	There are very few people living today whose forbearers are
free of bloodshed, and free of the charge of genocide.  In this case,
we're speaking specifically of the Jews.  It's so easy and convenient
to say it was all the Nazis, but it's very important to remember that the
Poles, the Ukranians, the Czechs, the French - oh, shit, name a country
or ethnic group in Europe! - also participated.
	I don't believe that Judaism is a form of insanity, but I do
believe that anti-semitism is a mental illness.  Unfortunately for all
you anti-semite assholes out there, I don't believe mental illness is
a claim to innocence.
	Lisa Stalnaker Hellwig - born German American, married Germain
American - not about to try to justify my so-called heritage


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: Since it would appear that the voting results for November, 1994,
: will never be announced, I feel it only appropriate to see to it
: that Mr. Hoffman^2 receives the adulation due him.

: I therefore nominate Hoffie^2 as DECEMBER KotM - any seconders?

Yup.

--
--
It was like God said to me 'you fucker, you're not so cool' -W. Reid
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I have seen hoffman^2's posts about Hollywood Hate Propaganda and 
Judaism as Mental Illness (or whatever) on two other newsgroups, but
not cross-posted.  Is he going to spam the net, or just a few select
spots?
--
					Richard Schultz

"I seem to smell a peculiar and a fishlike smell."



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In article <3e2kqj$o3n@linet01.li.net>, 
old-salt@li.net (Old-Salt) said:

> hoffman2nd@delphi.com wrote:
> 
> 	
> 
>> Wiswell Ruffin House P.O. Box 236, Dresden, N.Y. 14441 Send U.S. $3
>> for our catalog of books and tapes. (Free with any magazine order or
>> subscription).
> 
> Over 1500 lines for this nazi ad.  Give me a break, I hope you get
> letter bombed off the Net.  BTW, by letter bomb, not the type that
> blows up the evil (German) Nazi to bits, but the type that gets you
> kicked off of your access to the Net.

Well, yeah, but on he other hand the revelation that these Nazi
Schmatzies operate out of a town called _Dresden_ did give me one 
of the better "Oh, wow" moments that I've had in a while... :-)

-- William December Starr 


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