00011280.gif _Interview with Zeissler_ - Hollywood, California, June 24, 1943 Zeissler is an American who went to Germany to work in the movies. He became a director in the UFA studios. After the coming of the Nazis he found it more and more difficult to carry on his work satisfactorily and offered his resignation. The Nazis made him all sorts of offers to keep him but he finally left Germany in 1935. He is now directing a feature film in Hollywood which portrays Goebbels' life. Zeissler spoke at length of the extreme interest that both Hitler and Goebbels took in the moving picture industry. They visited the studio very frequently, watched the shooting of scenes, inquired about new plots and new talent as well as about the technical aspects of the business. Zeissler says that Hitler had a very good grasp of the situation and asked extremely intelligent questions about some of the technical problems involved. He enjoyed coming down to the studios and having lunch or dinner in the restaurant of the Film Institute where all the actors and actresses generally gathered. On one occasion he flew into a rage at one of those when somebody at the neighboring table mentioned the word _Jew_ and carried on for about ten minutes, much to the amazement and embarrassment of all the people gathered there most of whom did not even know what it was all about. Zeissler is under the impression that in the course of such a rage Hitler works himself into a trance-like state in which he loses contact with his surroundings and during which he enjoys the uninhibited expression of his feelings. After watching him Zeissler believes that Hitler actually goes out of his way at times to find some cause for a rage and that when he has found it he really works hard to increase its intensity in order that he may attain this trance-like stage. Hitler spent a great deal of time trying to convert Zeissler into making propaganda films. When Hitler did not come to the studio in person he frequently telephoned and held lengthy conversations about new films and the cast. Very frequently he telephoned when there was no particular occasion for it and would just inquire about what was happening in the studios. Zeissler says he often wondered when Hitler had the time to devote to affairs of state because he either spent so much time at the studios, on the telephone or looking at films that there seemed little time left for anything else. Hitler had a standing order to have every new film, German and all foreign films, shown at the Chancellery. The ones he seemed to enjoy the most were the American musical comedy films and crime pictures, although he frequently enjoyed biographical films especially those of persons involved in wars. He remembers that the film "Viva Villa" gave him great pleasure and he had it shown a number of times. In general, any film that he enjoys he will have shown repeatedly and always seems to enjoy it again. As a permanent director Hitler frequently called Zeissler and asked him to send actresses to the Chancellery. Several of these became temporary favorites and Zeissler was curious about what happened. In 1934 he was asked to send two chorus girls and the following day they reported that nothing particular happened and that Hitler sat around bragging the whole evening. The girls thought him extremely odd because 00011281.gif page 2 at that time he spent most of the evening telling them how he was going to annex Austria and how he was going to build up a terrific army, the biggest army in all the world, and fortify the Rhineland. His chief object in all this was to impress the girls with his greatness and power. On another occasion he spent an evening telling Rene Mueller how he had made a thorough study of Medieval torture methods and how he was modernizing them and would introduce them in Germany. It was his belief that this was the true way of ruling a people and that only by such methods could one enjoy the maximum of power. He described some of these methods, which were later adopted by the Gestapo, in such detail that she was absolutely horrified and could feel the flesh creep on her body. Rene Mueller became one of his favorites and was not at all unwilling to sacrifice herself in a sexual relationship. In fact, according to Seissler, she did her utmost to seduce Hitler but in this she never succeeded. On one occasion Hitler seemed to become quite excited and she thought the moment had arrived when he would actually do something, but instead he jumped up on his feet and raised his arm in the Nazi salute and said in a very bragging tone of voice that he could hold his arm that way for an hour and a half at a time without tiring, while even Goering could not hold his up for even twenty minutes. Rene, however, did not give up in her efforts and at a later time she returned to the studio in the morning after an evening at the Chancellery in a very depressed state. When Zeissler asked her what was troubling her she told him that the evening before she had been with Hitler and that she had been sure that he was going to have intercourse with her; that they had both undressed and were apparently getting ready for bed when Hitler fell on the floor and begged her to kick him. She demurred but he pleaded with her and condemned himself as unworthy, heaped all kinds of accusations on his own head and just groveled around in an agonizing manner. The scene became intolerable to her and she finally acceded to his wishes and kicked him. This excited him greatly and he begged for more and more, always saying that it was even better than he deserved and that he was not worthy to be in the same room with her. As she continued to kick him he became more and more excited and as a final climax, masturbated before her. He then suggested that they get dressed and thanked her warmly for a pleasant evening. Rene committed suicide not long after. Rene Mueller was a blonde like almost all the girls to whom Hitler became attracted. There was another tall blonde girl named Loeffler to whom Hitler became attached. In the midst of this relationship the girl ran off with a Jew and lived in Paris. This upset Hitler greatly and for some time he did not call the studios for new girls. On one occasion Mrs. Zeissler met Hitler. When she returned from the meeting she condemned him as a phony because he had stared into her eyes and had obviously tried to influence her through them and had done so much bragging. Zeissler claims this is the technique that Hitler had learned from a mind-reader named Harnuson who had tutored Hitler in such techniques in his earlier days and who had very considerable influence over him. According to Zeissler, it was Harnuson who was responsible for Hitler's dramatic conduct at his early meetings had coached Hitler in the techniques of swaying large groups of people. Harnuson was murdered in the Blood Purge of 1934. Zeissler also commented on the strange relationship between Hitler and Hoffmann, the photographer, and was under the impression that Hoffmann supplied Hitler with pornographic pictures, Hoffmann was generally disliked in the studios and the film people had very little respect for his judgment on what they should do or about how they should do it. 00011282.gif page 3 It so happened that Zeissler's laundry woman in Berlin was the mother of one of Hitler's personal S.S. guards. His usual post was to guard Hitler's bedroom. He frequently told his mother, who in turn told the Zeisslers. about the late parties held in the Chancellery and the times at which Hitler finally retired. This was almost invariably between 4 and 6 in the morning although her son reported that he seldom went to sleep before daylight. On one occasion he reported that Hitler must have had terrible dreams the night before because just as day was breaking there was a terrible commotion in Hitler's bedroom and he was just about to enter it in order to investigate its cause when Hitler ripped the door open from within. He was clad in a white nightgown which came below his knees and barefooted. His face was almost as white as the nightgown, his hair disheveled and his eyes wild. The first impression of the boy on guard was that the Fuehrer had gone mad. But it seems that Hitler had awakened out of a nightmare in which he felt himself unguarded for when he found the guard wide awake on his post outside the bedroom door he heaved a sigh of relief, simply said good night and shut the door. The guard never told his mother of any women spending the night in Hitler's bedroom although he often spoke of them staying alone with Hitler until the early hours of the morning.
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