00011276.gif _Interview with Mr. Otto Strasser_ Montreal, Canada May 13, 1943 Mr. Strasser spoke very freely if not systematically. Most of what he said he has written in his books and thus need not be repeated here. Much that he might have said he omitted on the grounds that he dealt with the subject at length and in detail in a new book which he had just finished and which was in the hands of a New York publisher. He gave the interviewer permission to examine the manuscript of this new book but the literary agent refused to recognize Strasser's right to give such a permit. Mr. Strasser served in the same division with Hitler during the World War. He explained that the rank of "Gefreite" which Hitler held was equivalent to a private first class in our modern army. This rank does not classify him as a non- commissioned officer and he has not the privilege of issuing orders to others. According to Strasser, Hitler was really an orderly in Regimental Headquarters and only a runner occasionally. He liked this position which kept him close to officers and Strasser is of the opinion that he probably refused promotion because even as a corporal he could not remain in Regimental Headquarters as an orderly. The moment he became a corporal it meant front duty. In general, these orderlies were looked down upon by the front line soldiers. When asked about Hitler's Iron Cross, he was doubtful of its authenticity. He pointed out that Hitler made no mention of the Iron Cross in _Mein Kampf_ although under the circumstances one would expect him to if he had come by it honestly. He claims that Goebbels asserted that the Iron Cross was awarded to Hitler on November 11, 1918, whereas all official awards stopped on the 9th of November. He said it is possible, and he has heard of other instances of this kind in which the Regimental Staff which regularly received a certain allotment of Iron Crosses per month awarded these to each other when the collapse started. Inasmuch as Hitler has always shown great preference and bestowed great favors upon Amann who was his staff sergeant during the war, Strasser says he does not consider it at all unlikely that Amann filled out the certificate for an Iron Cross in Hitler's favor just before the Armistice and that this is a favor which Hitler is still trying to repay. Strasser also doubts the story that Hitler was gassed and attributes it to Hitler's imagination or a kind of hysterical attack. When asked about the manner in which Hitler earned his livelihood during the early days of the Parry Strasser said that there was no great mystery. Very early in the history of the Party wealthy people made contributions which were turned over to Hitler personally and some of which he used for his own needs. A little later when the movement got under way, Hitler always demanded an honorarium for speaking, and this was usually at least a thousand marks. At all the meetings there was a charge for admission and the largest part of the receipts went to Hitler and this was ample to pay for his modest way of living. 00011277.gif page 2 Strasser seriously doubts Hitler's sincerity from beginning to end. He is of the opinion that Hitler's anti-Semitism was originally adopted for the propaganda value. It was the one topic on which he could always talk and find a sympathetic note in the audience. He also doubts whether Hitler actually believes in his call. This, too, he realizes has great propaganda value and from the earliest days he has done his utmost to clothe himself in a mystical atmosphere. Strasser says that Hitler is a person without any loyalties whatever and he claims that Hitler has told him on several occasions that he considers it a sign of greatness not to be tied to ideas or to people. Strasser says that Hitler is thoroughly egocentric and that he has no love for Germany but only uses it as a means to gain his own ends. Strasser also talked at length about the impossibility of carrying on a discussion with Hitler and that every conversation with him degenerates into a monologue. He is forever contradicting himself and when one tries to interrupt and point out that on an earlier occasion he said something else, Hitler flares up and shouts: "I never lie. It is you intellectuals who are always turning my words around." Strasser says this is one of Hitler's time-worn techniques; that when he is caught in an inconsistency or wishes to avoid a logical discussion, he picks up something that the other person has said and claims that it is an insult and goes off into a rage. When he quiets down he starts off on an entirely new subject. Another one of his techniques is to simply discard what the other person has said on the grounds that the person does not understand the topic. For example, on one occasion he held a lengthy dissertation on German art which he claimed was the one and only art worthy of the name in the entire history of the world. When Strasser interrupted and tried to point out that the Chinese, the Egyptians, the Mayans and others had a highly developed art, he just brushed the whole thing aside by saying: "You don't understand what art consists of." Strasser says that it is impossible to watch Hitler when he is delivering a speech and that no doubt there is a large sexual component motivating him. The same is true when one listens to him playing with an idea. Strasser says that from the earliest days he noticed this and after prolonged observations he decided it was a form of mental masturbation from which a real sexual pleasure was derived. Strasser is convinced that Hitler's sexual life is thoroughly abnormal. He says that his brother Gregor told him that Hoffmann's relationship to Hitler was unassailable because when Hoffmann's daughter Henny was fourteen years old Hitler had seduced her into sexual play with him end that she had told her father about it. Hoffmann went to Hitler and threatened to expose him before the Party if Hitler, did not agree to give him the exclusive photographic rights. This Hitler did in order to keep the experience quiet. Later it would have been difficult for him to liquidate Hoffmann because Hoffmann had managed to make himself indispensable to Hitler in other ways and it would have created too much of a stir in the Party if Hoffmann had been purged. Strasser commented on the fact that Hitler likes to associate with homosexuals. In 1929 he was much dismayed when Hitler arrived in Berlin with a bodyguard which was obviously 100% homosexuals. Nevertheless, he doubts the stories that Hitler himself is engaged in homosexual practices, at least to any great extent. After the Olympic games in Berlin he had 00011278.gif page 3 occasion to talk to the director of the Burd Theater at which Leni Riefenstahl was playing. The conversation turned to Hitler and his sexual life and the director said that Leni was dying to sleep with Hitler but that Hitler was always evading the issue. The director said that not long before Leni had told him that Hitler had invited her into his bedroom and that she thought that the time had finally arrived, but much to her dismay he asked her to undress. When she had done so and was ready.to get into bed he ordered her to begin masturbating herself while he sat on the other side of the room and watched her. The director told Strasser that Hitler never exposed himself but always enjoyed seeing others in the nude. Strasser spoke at length concerning Geli. As he has written in his books he knew Geli personally and had taken her out several times which aroused extreme jealousy in Hitler when he discovered it. Hitler finally forbade any further contact with Geli, but one morning he claims Geli appeared at his apartment in Munich in a very upset state of mind. Strasser let her in and tried to quiet her down but for some time all he could get out of her was that she did not know what she would do with her uncle. According to the story, Hitler was very generous with her in some respects and very harsh with her in others and frequently locked her up for long periods of time because she refused to accede to his wishes. Strasser tried to make light of the matter end said to Geli, "Well, why don't you sleep with him? What difference does it make if he is your uncle?" Geli responded that she would be very glad to sleep with him if that was all he wanted but she just couldn't go through with the other performance again. After much urging concerning the nature of this performance, she finally told Strasser that Hitler made her undress and that he would lie down on the floor. Then she would have to squat down over his face where he could examine her at close range and this would make him very excited. When the excitement reached its peak he demanded that she urinate on him and that gave him his sexual pleasure. Geli said the whole performance was extremely disgusting to her and that although it was sexually stimulating it gave her no gratification. Since Hitler refused to let her have any contact with other men she was in the position of being continually stimulated without any adequate outlet and that she couldn't possibly continue. It was shortly after this visit that Geli was killed and Strasser is satisfied in his own mind that Hitler had demanded that Geli go through with this performance again and that she had refused. Hitler thereupon became enraged and murdered her. His brother Gregor also believed this to be the case and it was from this time on that his relations with Hitler became strained. Gregor was one of the few people who was called to the house shortly after Geli's death and saw her before the funeral. Otto Strasser believes that it was this knowledge which led to Gregor's murder during the Blood Purge In 1934.
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