Path: news.voyager.net!aanews.merit.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!news.sojourn.com!condor.ic.net!news.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.fibr.net!news.txdirect.net!news From: email@example.com (pgroff) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Dynamite and Stele they go togther. Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:50:07 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Incorporated Lines: 90 Message-ID: <3236b20e.8374909@news> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dt01-02.txdirect.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 27 Aug 1996 21:50:20 -0400, email@example.com (Kurt Stele) wrote: >But here's another thing the nazis could have done and probably would have >if they had been trying to "exterminate" the jews. > >They could have set up a place where large numbers of jews were simply >blown into smithereens. It could be a mile from the train track or more >(i.e., nearby) and out of reach of any local village. Easy. In the >Russians did precisely that: Oy Vay the great thinker hisself has now come up with what he considers a great idea, and he even thinks that the Nazis weren't smart enough to have come up with that idea all on their own. But gee, maybe they did come up with that idea. "Events in Minsk and Mogilev provide another example of the fact that the handicapped were considered expendable. In the fall of 1941, Arthur Nebe, the chief of the Reich Office of the Detective Forces (Office V in the RSHA) and at that time also chief of Einsatzgruppe B, ordered Albert Widmann of the Kriminaltechnisches Institut (Technical Institute for the Detection of Crime) to visit him in Smolensk to perform a special task. Widmann and his assistant, Hans Schmidt, traveled to Bielorussia, bringing along a large amount of dynamite. The task Nebe asked them to perform had been requested by Heinrich Himmler, and it involved experiments in killing groups of human beings rapidly, cheaply, and expeditiously. The Russian civilians selected as subjects in this bizarre experiment were the handicapped, taken from state hospitals in Minsk and Mogilev. They seemed the logical victims since Nebe had told his deputy Paul Werner that "he could not ask his troops to shoot these incurably insane people" " The first experiment took place in Minsk, where handicapped patients were locked into a pillbox that was then dynamited. The results were macabre. The pillbox and the victims were totally destroyed; parts of bodies were strewn over a relatively large area, and the killers had to collect limbs from the surrounding trees. Nebe and Widmann had to conclude that the use of dynamite as a killing method was not efficient. The second experiment took place the next day in Mogilev. There handicapped patients were locked into a sealed room, and exhaust gas first from a car and then from a truck was fed into the room through hoses. This method did prove efficient and later served as the model for the method used in the killing centers of the final solution.   On Himmler's involvement, see Breitman, Architect of Genocide, p196 and Krausenick and Wilhelm, Truppe des Weltanschauugskrieges p. 543  StA Stuttgart, Anklage Albert Widmann und August Becker, (19) 13 Js 328/60, 29 Aug. 1962, p42  StA Dusseldorf, Verfahren Widmann, 8 Ks 1/61 (8 Js 7212/59), interrogation Karl Schulz, 9 Mar. 1959, pp23, and interrogations Albert Widmann, 11 Jan. 1960, pp 1-8, 12 Jan. 1960, pp 1-2; StA Stuttgart, Verfahren Widmann, Ks 19/62 (19 Js 328/60), interrogatin Albert Widmann, 18 Apr. 1962, pp 2-3, and interrogations Hans Schmidt, 6 Apr. 1961, pp 23-25, 4 May 1962, pp. 1-5, including pictures of car and hoses used in Mogilev; ibid., Protokoll der offentlichen Sitzung des Schwurgericts, 15 Aug. 1967, pp. 11-19 (testimony Albert Widmann), 22 Aug. 1967, pp. 77-88 (testimony Hans Schmidt). The Origins of Nazi Genocide From Euthanasia to the final solution Henry Friedlander 1995 The University of North Carolina Press Chapel Hill & London ISBN 0-8078-2208-6(alk. paper) Includes bibliographical references and index. 1. Germany - Politics and government - 1933-1945 2. National socialism - Moral and ethical aspects. 3. Euthanasia - Political aspects - Germany - History - 20TH century. 4. Medical ethics - Germany - History - 20TH ventury 5. Genocide - Germany - History - 20TH ventury. 6. Holocaust, Jewish (1939 - 1945) 7. World War, 1939 - 1945 -Gypsies. 8. Handicapped - Germany - History - 20TH century. 9. World War, 1939 - 1945 - Atrocities. The Nizkor Project: Fighting hate and anti-Semitism on the Internet | Honoring the memory of Pooh.bah | Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/ Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
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