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From: Ned Kelly 
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:45:39 -0500, James Fenimoore 
wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:21:41 -0500, <4len83hsv3f4qbb5mgft1u03mke3qqn2d3@4ax.com>, Steve
>Craig  wrote:
>>On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:50:59 -0500, , "Caduceas"
>><4w2weez09@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>"The Chief Instigator"  wrote in message 
>>>news:szkzm2cxs29.fsf@eris.io.com...
>>>> James Fenimoore  writes:
>>>>>On Tue,  3 Jul 2007 16:24:43 -0600 (MDT),
>>>>>, RobertScottBradbury
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>Three of his usenet accounts.  He's lost Supernews, Newsguy, and Shaw.
>>>>>>What a great day for the pro abortionests and people who believe the
>>>>>>holocost is real.

>>>>>Forgery of Robert Scott Bradbury by Steven Craig Horn.

>>>> You keep bleating that like you want someone to believe it.

>>>>>I'll be sure to let Bradbury know!

>>>> Now *that* would be entertainment, considering that the Blubber of 
>>>> Bellville is about 99+% likely to be dead, already.  (Good riddance to bad rubbish.)

>>>> -- 
>>>>   Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com)  Houston, Texas
>>>>    chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php  (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
>>>>                LAST GAME: San Antonio 4, Houston 2 (April 15)
>>>>               NEXT GAME: October 2007, date/place/opponent TBA

>>>Bradbury is Fenimore

>>You have an unnatural obsession with Bradbury which makes me believe you are one
>>of those homosexualist stalker types.

>You've noticed that too. I am surprised Horn hasn't accused you of being Bradbury as well
>as he's accused me seeing how his big mouth had boasted just hours ago:

>On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:15:37 -0500, <_%yii.8$aJ1.0@newsfe17.lga>, "Caduceas"
> wrote: "If you wonder who grassed
>your Supernews, Newsguy, and Shaw accounts, it was me.  I don't care if I'm
>called a netkop, you lost three accounts.   I'm glad and proud I ToSed  you."

>I am still posting from newsguy and I see you used supernews.

>A local news paper quoted Horn's father as saying about Steve Horn "mentally 
>unstable and a potential danger to himself and others":

>http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html

>Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am             

>40-gun cache

>Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children

>By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
>The Sunday Sun

>An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s children 
>was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

>Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46, for 
>allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her children by 
>e-mail and for making a harassing phone call. Horn was charged with two 
>counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of harm or death 
>and one count of making harassing phone calls. 

>According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What 
>you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I means 
>that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I decide who 
>lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

>In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45 automatic 
>and can take your b.....d sons out.”

>Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma City 
>Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill himself and 
>requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been self-medicating with 
>Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

>Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms from 
>Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been investigating a 
>threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas Police. Horn allegedly 
>threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her (his former 
>girlfriend) a ticket.” 

>Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he interviewed 
>the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also still have my Ruger P-90 
>and it has a bullet with your name on it,” Horn reportedly told him.

>A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a computer 
>with images of young girls. 

>Horn’s father allegedly said his son was mentally unstable and a potential danger 
>to himself and others.... [end]

>That last line says it all and why would Steve Horn have pictures of young girls 
>on his computer? Just count all of the people that nut case threatened with being
>shot to death. It's serious stuff to threaten a judge, a police investigator and a
>policeman as well as a woman and her two young sons. Why Horn is still on the loose is
>anyone's guess but he should be put away at least into a mental sanitarium for the
>criminally insane.

>JF


Better yet, give him the Death Penalty.
Then one is certtain he will never re-offend!!


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Oklahoma Cityian Steven KCOM Horn is mentally unstable according to his father

On Mon,  2 Jul 2007 17:30:05 +0200 (CEST), in alt.revisionism Nomen Nescio
 wrote:

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html

Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am

40-gun cache

Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children

By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s children
was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46, for
allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her children by
e-mail and for making a harassing phone call. Horn was charged with two
counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of harm or death
and one count of making harassing phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I means
that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I decide who
lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45 automatic
and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma City
Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill himself and
requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been self-medicating with
Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms from
Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been investigating a
threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas Police. Horn allegedly
threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her (his former
girlfriend) a ticket.”

When charges were not filed, Horn’s guns were returned.

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said.

“I am God, and I also still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your
name on it,” Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a computer
with images of young girls. No information was given on possible charges
related to the images.

Horn’s father allegedly said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

Boydston’s investigation

The report listed a number of dates associated with the case. The timeline of
events and Boydston’s investigation is as follows:

Sept. 1, 2005 — a threatening call made to the Garland, Texas police station

Dec. 15, 2005 — Oklahoma City Det. Ron Bradford and an inspector interview
Bradford’s “former girlfriend” who said he bought a rifle from Wal-mart while
on a date

Dec. 21, 2005 — Oklahoma City Police confiscate 21 firearms, talk to suspect;
eventually firearms are returned and no charges filed

Oct. 30, 2006 — Boydston receives the case. He interviews the victim and takes
a look at the e-mails and the profile of the suspect on an Internet dating Web
site.

Nov. 2, 2006 — Boydston contacts the OU Police Department’s Health Services
Division and gets them to search their database; he identifies the suspect,
interviews him and later receives a phone call.

Nov. 3, 2006 — Boydston meets with Judge Russell Hall at 10 a.m. and obtains a
warrant for Horn’s arrest. At 4 p.m. Boydston meets with the Will Rogers
Division of the Oklahoma City Police Department and receives information about
their previous investigation of Horn.

Tuesday — charges filed by Spencer Police

Thursday — Oklahoma City Police arrest Horn at his home

*************************************************************************************

http://www.newsok.com/article/3014189/

Sat February 17, 2007
City man faces charges of using computer to threaten, harass
By Ann Kelley
Staff Writer

SPENCER — An Oklahoma City man is charged with threatening to kill a woman and
a Spencer police officer who was investigating the woman's claims that the man
was stalking her.

Steven Craig Horn, 41, was charged Wednesday in Oklahoma County District Court
with two felony counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of
death, and a misdemeanor charge of making harassing telephone calls.

Horn was arrested Nov. 9 after police served a search warrant at his home and
confiscated 40 firearms, computers and computer disks, according to court
records.

According to court records, Hamm was investigating a complaint from Melanie
Gay Jenkins of Spencer, who gave police two threatening e-mails from Horn.

Horn remains free on $5,000 bail.

**************************************************************************************

Steven Craig Horn aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
me@privacy.com
4w2weez02@sneakemail.com



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In fact he is now targetting some of those posting libel about him,
and getting ready for some interesting lawsuits against them, for
defamation!!

Guess some residents in Texas are now getting fearful, now that 
their ISP's have been served?

He is still spreading the truth about filthy ZHIDS and their
depredations, as are some colleagues around the world in 
several countries infested by ZHIDS!!

Wasn't that him in the big city computer store getting a whopping 
new system costing many thousands?

Looks like the IRS are going to collect a huge pile from all the crooks 
that he turned in, which is why they paid him for the info?

Seems he moved to San Antonio, to do more work for the IRS.
With all they are paying him to expose the jew frauds, will he have 
enough to buy a house next to Harry Mazal?

That sure looked like Blubberbury in the local Century 21 office, looking 
for a deal on a house......

He must have got a bundle from the IRS, for giving them evidence so they 
can collect from crooks like Harry Mazal, Ken McVay, Patrick Humphrey, 
and all the rest of the gang....


On Tue, 24 May 2005 04:20:55 GMT, Steve_Talbot@yahoo.com (Steve
Talbot) wrote:
>On 16 May 2005 09:32:35 -0700,
><1116261155.965796.29960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Chris Larson"
> wrote:

>>Where is Scott Bradbury/ Doc Tavish?  Anyone know.

>He's in other news groups which aren't over-run with trolls such as yourself.
>Try to do a google search and see if you can find him. He has taken measures to
>prevent trolls from stalking him to greener pastures where he now has an
>interested audience.

>Ciao

On Tue,  5 Sep 2006 16:10:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio 
wrote:
>....gone from the usenet for good .



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Bradbury has sure beaten the fat sow Salzman, in the latest series of
documented proof presented by Bradbury.
>From all the pictures of the morbidly obese Salzman, it is a wonder that
anyone, even her spouse, would stay close to her.
The stench must be appalling. 
Does she have to hypnotize her mate to keep him?

Salzman just can not deny all the actual FACTS filed by Bradbury,
contradicting all her lies.

Could it be that Bradbury, now apparently working for the US Government, 
will be deliberately buying his new home in the midst of all his detractors?


On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:50:37 -0500, Doc Tavish 
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:03:05 -0600,
>, Sara Salzman
> wrote:
>>In article ,
>> WyattEarp  wrote:

>>> Rumor is that he is working undercover elsewhere in the USA, getting
>>> evidence on some real criminals, who just happen to belong to a
>>> certain ethnic minority.

>>Under cover? BRADBURY? There are no covers large enough for him to hide 
>>under, unless you're referring to some kind of circus tent.

>You have never seen me Sara and once again you are relying on smear from a
>proven criminal element and liar named Yale F. Edeiken YET you on the other hand
>are very obese. I.E.
>http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif 

>>> He is far from deceased, and is still very active against those who
>>> tried to defame him. 

>>Really? Since there's no one who tried to "defame" him (doesn't someone 
>>have to have _fame_ in order to be de-famed?), your statement doesn't 
>>make any sense.

>You are guilty of defamation.

>>If you're referring to those of us who were honestly concerned about his 
>>spiraling mental health, 

>Funny that all the people who expose you for what you are have "spiraling mental
>health" and that you claim as shown below: "there isn't a single person who has
>heard a peep out of him. Not me, not Pat, not Yale, not anyone" when:

>1) You have confessed to being RETARDED:
>On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman  wrote: 
>     "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!" 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-- 
> Message ID:  
>       (Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2) 

>2) Yale has confessed to being "mentally unstable" and a "crazy man": 
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/79dab24b047e1e68
>From: "Yale F. Edeiken" 
>Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
>Message-ID: 
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT
> Defendant Bradshit  wrote
> in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioip5nbd61u0j3nr47fn@4ax.com...

>[...]

>> Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced 
>> themselves from you

>    Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
>(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
>wanted to go away as quckly as possible.
>
>	             ~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

>3) Patrick has confessed to peeking into windows:
>"[I]f I'm out at night, just look for anyone peeking into windows..." Patrick L.
>Humphrey 
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.feminism/msg/729ac178ff1f8660?fwc=1 
>(Archived locally as: PatrickThePeeper) 
>Subject: Re: PATRICK "THE STALKER?" 
>Date: 1996/09/03 

>For further reading about my opposition's mental states read:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/623165aa1b6c029b?fwc=1
>Subject: My Opposition Proven to be Mentally Unstable, Delusional, Peeping Toms,
>and Retarded 
>Message-ID: <3o38t15bfcpqcqiom7k4bpeolk358gcm95@4ax.com>
>Date: 22 Jan 2006 23:00:49 GMT

>     ~~Sara Salzman's "CPS" Affidavit Perjury Documented~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ddf877bf49b153c2?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality Revealed.
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 27 Jul 2005 22:18:07 GMT
>  Sara Salzman's poor damage control and diversion countered with:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6ffc6ccf93e09d37?fwc=1
>Subject: Re: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality
>Revealed.
>Message-ID: <9qphe1ttfrdjeu9hsjj4iqt2v35hq25mnf@4ax.com>
>References: 
>
>Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:18:58 GMT
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Perjury is also a criminal offense which makes Sara a criminal by definition!
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Overview of noun perjurer
> The noun perjurer has 1 sense (no senses from tagged texts)
> perjurer, false witness -- (a person who deliberately gives false testimony) 
>Coordinate Terms (sisters) of noun perjurer
> storyteller, fibber, fabricator -- (someone who tells lies) 
> liar, prevaricator -- (a person who has lied or who lies repeatedly)
>

>>there isn't a single person who has heard a peep out of him.

>I have been very busy and especially concerning imminent legal action against a
>criminal cabal.

>>Not me, not Pat, not Yale, not anyone.

>>On the other hand, he may be hiding from the police himself, since he 
>>became silent right after the San Antonio fire.

>That is a major lie. Care to get Harry W. Mazal to either sue me out right or to
>file a criminal complaint with law enforcement rather than smearing me with
>actionable libel namely implying I'm an arsonist? Does Mazal assume civil
>liability for your big fat mouth?

>>> Is he now using other non-de-plumes, and different ISPs, from where he
>>> is currently working?

>>WORKING?!?!?! Bradbury hasn't worked in years. He lives off the 
>>government teat

>Another lie. I had an early medical retirement with full benefits and have
>posted such fact numerous times. Care to deny it you fat disgusting pig?

>> in a tar-paper shack.
>
>Another lie meant to smear me. I'm sorry to expose your bile but local
>ordinances don't approve of tar paper shacks within city limits!

>> He claims he is "retired," but has 
>>never provided a scintilla of proof that he EVER had a real job.

>Because it is NOT one bit of your g.d. business you big fat disgusting pig.

>>Sorry, Anonymous Coward. Bradbury ran away. No one in law enforcement 
>>has ever taken him seriously. He couldn't move his sorry ass from 
>>Bellville if he had two tractor trailers moving him.

>We will see how much you will be running your big fat mouth in the future you
>fat pig! I haven't been in hiding but many of your fellow pukes are in hiding
>and you know it!!

>Proof Sara Salzman is a big fat pig who confessed to being retarded in public
>forum:

>On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman  wrote: 
>  "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Message ID:  
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?fwc=1
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?dmode=source
>Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT
>(Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2)
><I have known you to be a retard for many years! Picture of the self confessed
>mental retardee: http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif 
>Don't even think about Nuking your confession from GOOGLE you sow because it is
>archived locally by myself and others! We learned about how you say things and
>then later deny doing such and how you NUKE archives and then act as though we
>made it all up such as your Torture S&M Bondage works which some of us had the
>foresight to archive figuring you would NUKE them!>>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>SARA SALZMAN HAD TO BE TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN SHE MADE A SELF ADMISSION ABOUT
>HER RETARDATION AND WE HAVE HER WORDS BELOW TO PROVE WHAT SHE STATED ABOVE HAS
>TO BE TRUE!!
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/defaec4891d9856a
>(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies1)
>From: Sara Salzman 
>Subject: Re: Who Are the Liars? aka Re: Yo, idiotchild...
>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:50:03 -0700
>Message-ID: 
>"You can scream in caps all you want, but I have never lied... Sara"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"I have, Dr. Homeland, NEVER lied to anyone. Not in this forum, not to 
>the police, not to the media... Sara"
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a31eefeec1d87ece
>(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies3)
>From: Sara Salzman 
>Subject: David Michael -- insane?
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:45:23 -0600
>Message-ID: 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Sara

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/514d1e8240b88a7c?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's "Day, time, place. I'm waiting" and From Whence It Came!
>V5.0  (Corrections Made)   T_0822
>Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:49:21 -0500
>Message-ID: 
>	   MORE LIES EXPOSED IN RELATION TO THE ABOVE:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/1396457beb27db68?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman Caught in Two New Lies!! My BUT How That Daughter of
>Belial Can Lie!! aka Re: Scott Bradbury Continues to Demonstrate his Psychosis
>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:53:01 -0500
>Message-ID: 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e5a29037c5e168c8?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman Caught in Third New Lie (Possibly Four Lies) in the past
>24 Hours!!!  aka Re: Scott Bradbury Continues to Demonstrate his Psychosis
>Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:01:12 -0500
>Message-ID: 
>--------------------------------------------------------
>The above archives catalog how Sara tells one lie right after another in order
>to cover for her previous lie! Truly hilarious and at the same time pathetic
>seeing how the slob is connected to two "Holocaust Research Web Sites." Who in
>their right mind would take the word of a demonstrated liar such as Sara "The
>Fist" Salzman? Also see:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/74d17effed6ddec?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's Recent Lies Documented and Archived. V2.0  T_0807
>Message-ID: <9sedf1tc6173cb8koe77njdo7nb9inn6up@4ax.com>
>Date: 8 Aug 2005 02:04:13 GMT
>-----------------------------
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ddf877bf49b153c2?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality Revealed.
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 27 Jul 2005 22:18:07 GMT
>  Sara Salzman's poor damage control and diversion countered with:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6ffc6ccf93e09d37?fwc=1
>Subject: Re: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality
>Revealed.
>Message-ID: <9qphe1ttfrdjeu9hsjj4iqt2v35hq25mnf@4ax.com>
>References: 
>
>Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:18:58 GMT
>------------------------------
>"Stupid is as stupid does." - Forrest Gump
>
>							Tavish The True



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On 23 Oct 2006 12:04:30 -0500, The Chief Instigator 
wrote:
>chester_field@fastmail.fm writes:
>>On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:46:04 +1000, "Benjie"
>> wrote:

>>>Let's see how long it takes for Humpyboi to respond. He's just so obsessed 
>>>with all posts having anything to do with Scott.

>>Isn't Humpbois the guy that got fired from Rice U. for using school
>>computers to harass Mr. Bradbury?	

>I was fired at Rice, but it had nothing to do with the Bloat of Bellvile.
>Enjoy your fantasy, as it's about all you have.

You got fired because a lot of other people called the US Attorney, 
and then he called Rice U as well.....


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A lot of good ideas!

Now definitely needed for the members of the pedofilia party in Holland!!

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:06:56 -0600, Ken McVaySOBC 
 wrote:

Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have 
approved special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags!!

In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get 
their just punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!


DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags!!

This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
since many US states, and foreign countries are
starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
of televising executions.

A few more thoughts on the subject.

The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
not only determine the method of execution, but should also
have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
but not limited to such, would include:

         AIDS spreaders
         rapists
         drug dealers
         home invaders
         armed robbers
         pederasts and similar child molesters
         crooked liars/lawyers
         corrupt judges
         corrupt politicians
         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
              criminals being released
Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:
         any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
                obviously  include most faggots
        white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
                dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
                how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)


Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
         vivisection
         medical experiments without anaesthetic
         target practice for police and military
         beheading
         hanging
         barbecueing by electrocution
         drawing & quartering

Additional methods of execution have been suggested, such as:
	guillotining, very popular in France
	flaying alive until dead
	stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

More suggestions for both categories are invited.

I know many of you feel that despicable Desi should be
mentioned, so I have.

Which method for it would be most suitable??

Since Desi got himself fired, again, from his third job,
is he again dumpster-diving, and again on French welfare in Paris?

>>Or, did one of his many enemies finally try to use old DP to eliminate
>>the pervert? After all, paranoid Desi claims someone got murdered
>>near his residence. Could it have been another case of mistaken 
>>identity? Could it be true, that someone is really trying to get rid
>>of Desi?

>>By the way, Desi, TELL US MORE ABOUT THE BALTIMORE POLICE.

>>Did you get into more criminal activities, like you did before getting
>>fired 3 times by angry employers, such as Scottish Power, and Grolier
>?

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
George Orwell

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
-John Bryant

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molester, and is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.


>>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:27:02 -0600, "Robert Sveinson"
>> wrote:
>>>"Roedy Green"  wrote in message
>>>news:81ptr0pj2ibnkktvdlh3ngrr09jgjih5d9@4ax.com...
>>>> The Iraqis are hopelessly outgunned, yet to everyone's surprise that
>>>> tiny country has held the biggest military in the world at bay.

>>>> One of their most successful techniques has been beheadings, and
>>>> releasing videos. This creates maximum horror with minimal loss of
>>>> life.

>>>> I think they could improve on the productions to make clear they are
>>>> in retaliation.

>>>> So I think the next beheading video should be spliced or split screen
>>>> with shots of dozens of people Americans have beheaded with their
>>>> bombs and machine gun fire.

>>>> I think they should branch out from beheadings, partly because
>>>> beheadings are too unreal.  They need something the man in the street
>>>> can more relate to.

>>>> I suggest, removing fingernails and toenails, removing or splitting
>>>> the penis, crushing the testicles in a vice, gouching out an eye with
>>>> a popsicle stick, allowing rats to nibble, nails through the hands and
>>>> feet, throwing darts at a target painted on the stomach, rubbing
>>>> rotting dead baby corpse goo over Americans stretched naked and then
>>>> slashing with knives to create gangrenous infections to be
>>>> photographed in stop motion, squeezing lemon juice into wounds.

>>>> Play with common phobias, e.g. spiders, snakes, scorpions, rats,
>>>> heights. E.g. video falling to death from a tall building with cameras
>>>> situated at top, bottom and attached to the victim.

>>>> Since Bush started the sexual abuse, and condones child rape, how
>>>> about killing a man with ever larger things shoved up his ass, pounded
>>>> home with a sledgehammer till he splits like a watermelon.

>>>> Of course any such violence must be justified by showing video of at
>>>> least a dozen instances of Americans doing something similar first.

>>>And some MORAL ameriKKKan multi-national
>>>could be the "Prime Sponsor"!

>>>> "Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
>>>> Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor of Hitler
>>>> nor of Mussolini."
>>>> ~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
>>>>   on Bush's atrocities in the Iraq war.

>>>> Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
>>>> See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes



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The more than 100 MILLION killed by ZYD COMMUNISM in the USSR, far outweighs
the few hundred thousand ZYDS who died in WWII.

The 33 millions who perished in the Ukraine alone gave the Ukrainians cause to
really dislike the ZYD kommissars and their henchmen, when they had a chance
to retaliate in the Great Patriotic war.


On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:07:02 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
>In article <1184200078.353876.126670@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, 
alejandro de tacobell  wrote:
>>it's often been said that the holocaust was uniquely horrific while
>>mass killings under communism was just run-of-the-mill, only on a
>>larger scale. supposedly, nothing like the holocaust had ever happened
>>before or since.

>>jews can criticize, condemn, ridicule, mock, and spit on aspects of
>>non-jewish culture but we cannot criticize anything about jews, jewish
>>history, jewish values, jewish influence. this must change.

>The usual Tony Gaza's mental diarrhea.





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> thighing with little kids, ............  Practice all those and you too 
> could become a prophet !!


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You are a certifiable piece of merde!!

The murders of almost 100 MILLION UKRAINIANS was in the 1930's, when the ZYD
KOMMISSARS RAN THE CHEKA & NKVD!!


On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:51:13 +1000, Reargunner  wrote:

>In 1920 the Ukrainian was under the White Russian, the communist did not 
>take over till afterwards. If you really were from the Ukrainian you 
>would know that!

>> > In article ,
>> > JimDavidson@usenetexchange.com says...
>> >> The more than 100 MILLION killed by ZYD COMMUNISM in the USSR, far 
>> >> outweighs the few hundred thousand ZYDS who died in WWII.

>> >> The 33 millions who perished in the Ukraine alone gave the Ukrainians 
>> >> cause to really dislike the ZYD kommissars and their henchmen, when they had a 
>> >> chance to retaliate in the Great Patriotic war.

>> >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:07:02 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >In article <1184200078.353876.126670@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> alejandro de tacobell  wrote:
>> >> >>it's often been said that the holocaust was uniquely horrific while
>> >> >>mass killings under communism was just run-of-the-mill, only on a
>> >> >>larger scale. supposedly, nothing like the holocaust had ever happened
>> >> >>before or since.

>> >> >>jews can criticize, condemn, ridicule, mock, and spit on aspects of
>> >> >>non-jewish culture but we cannot criticize anything about jews, jewish
>> >> >>history, jewish values, jewish influence. this must change.

>> > When the communist took over the Ukrainian, the first ones driven out
>> > were the Jews.

>> Fucking liar! My father's family were murdered by the Jewish Commissars. 
>> When communists took over Ukraine in 1920, 97 out of 103 CHEKA commissars 
>> were Jews. 




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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:13:59 GMT, Ned Kelly 
wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:05:11 -0600, John Fleming  wrote:
>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:18:38 GMT, while chained to a desk in
>>the scriptorium "Canuck57" 
>>wrote:
>>> $"John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>>> $news:dqh7i3tpasn3o6gfqk766le9oa4pios9c5@4ax.com...

>>> $> Let's face it.  If the gas is costing you $100 for the round
>>> $> trip, it doesn't make sense to travel to the US to save $50
>>> $> on a $200 DVD player.

>>> $Fill up while in the US.  Their gasoline isn't taxed as much.

>>Sure.  That cuts your "shipping costs" a bit.

>>> $> Now if you are buying an entire surround sound home
>>> $> entertainment system, that's another matter.  Anyway, with a
>>> $> lot of electronics being produced in Japan, don't expect low
>>> $> prices in the US to stay low if they are importing the stuff
>>> $> with forex involving a more expensive Yen.

>>> $Quite true.  If not North American made, or at least assembled their may 
>>> $also be duty.  But say duty was 6%, you will likely still save.  Might want 
>>> $to take advantage of the short term dip that has expanded this margin.  Plus 
>>> $I can never remember electronics costing more in the US, even with current 
>>> $currency variations at play.

>>> $I also don't know, but do states like Michigan, NY, Ohio etc. refund or 
>>> $exempt foreign shoppers from local sales taxes.  In Montana I don't worry 
>>> $about it. 

>>Sales tax exemptions/redemptions might make things a bit
>>more attractive to someone living close to the border.  But
>>for a one day trip you only get something like, IIRC a duty
>>exemption on the first $50 in purchases when you make a one
>>day shopping trip to the US.

>>So if you are going to slip across the border on a shopping
>>trip, you have to factor all these additional costs into the
>>price paid for goods.

>Careful shoppers will arrange for at least 2 days in the USA, which gives $200
>per person duty free.

>For a week, one gets $750 per person duty free, with food items duty free as
>well.

For car buyers interested in deals in Great Falls Montana, the following will
help:

If anyone is interested in a listing and more information you can point them
to DexKnows.com and search "Auto" in Great Falls, MT.  
There are just too many to list.
 
Hope this helps,
  
Tyler Spangelo
Convention & Visitors Bureau / Communications Director
Great Falls Area Chamber of Commerce
100 1st Ave N
Great Falls, MT 59401
(406)-761-4434, ext 103
Facsimile (406)-761-6129
tspangelo@greatfallschamber.org


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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:43:36 GMT, Ned Kelly 
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:13:59 GMT, Ned Kelly 
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:05:11 -0600, John Fleming  wrote:
>>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:18:38 GMT, while chained to a desk in
>>>the scriptorium "Canuck57" 
>>>wrote:
>>>> $"John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>>>> $news:dqh7i3tpasn3o6gfqk766le9oa4pios9c5@4ax.com...
>
>>>> $> Let's face it.  If the gas is costing you $100 for the round
>>>> $> trip, it doesn't make sense to travel to the US to save $50
>>>> $> on a $200 DVD player.
>
>>>> $Fill up while in the US.  Their gasoline isn't taxed as much.
>
>>>Sure.  That cuts your "shipping costs" a bit.
>
>>>> $> Now if you are buying an entire surround sound home
>>>> $> entertainment system, that's another matter.  Anyway, with a
>>>> $> lot of electronics being produced in Japan, don't expect low
>>>> $> prices in the US to stay low if they are importing the stuff
>>>> $> with forex involving a more expensive Yen.
>
>>>> $Quite true.  If not North American made, or at least assembled their may 
>>>> $also be duty.  But say duty was 6%, you will likely still save.  Might want 
>>>> $to take advantage of the short term dip that has expanded this margin.  Plus 
>>>> $I can never remember electronics costing more in the US, even with current 
>>>> $currency variations at play.
>
>>>> $I also don't know, but do states like Michigan, NY, Ohio etc. refund or 
>>>> $exempt foreign shoppers from local sales taxes.  In Montana I don't worry 
>>>> $about it. 
>
>>>Sales tax exemptions/redemptions might make things a bit
>>>more attractive to someone living close to the border.  But
>>>for a one day trip you only get something like, IIRC a duty
>>>exemption on the first $50 in purchases when you make a one
>>>day shopping trip to the US.
>
>>>So if you are going to slip across the border on a shopping
>>>trip, you have to factor all these additional costs into the
>>>price paid for goods.
>
>>Careful shoppers will arrange for at least 2 days in the USA, which gives $200
>>per person duty free.
>
>>For a week, one gets $750 per person duty free, with food items duty free as
>>well.

>For car buyers interested in deals in Great Falls Montana, the following will
>help:

>If anyone is interested in a listing and more information you can point them
>to DexKnows.com and search "Auto" in Great Falls, MT.  
>There are just too many to list.

>Hope this helps,

>Tyler Spangelo
>Convention & Visitors Bureau / Communications Director
>Great Falls Area Chamber of Commerce
>100 1st Ave N
>Great Falls, MT 59401
>(406)-761-4434, ext 103
>Facsimile (406)-761-6129
>tspangelo@greatfallschamber.org

As for the organized shopping tours you may want to contact the two people
listed below and see if it would be an option.  I know it would have to
probably be a contract deal, however if a group was interested in splitting a
fee it may work in their benefit.

The first contact would be Carol Place and she runs a Historic Trolley and
provides tours of the Great Falls area.  Again I don’t know if she would
contract out a shopping tour or not.  Her contact number is 406-771-1100.  The
second one I can point you to would be Carol Lindseth with Odyssey Travel and
she may have some connections within her industry to assist with a shopping
tour.  Her contact number is 406-761-1343.

 

Anything else you need, you know where to find me.

 

Thank you,

 

 

Tyler Spangelo

Convention & Visitors Bureau / Communications Director

Great Falls Area Chamber of Commerce

100 1st Ave N

Great Falls, MT 59401

(406)-761-4434, ext 103

Facsimile (406)-761-6129

tspangelo@greatfallschamber.org




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For those with cash, with the US$-C$ now at $1.0485, it is a great time to
pick up US$, and head off to the USA to buy vehicles, and also do all the
Christmas shopping there at the same time.

I have over a dozen Clients doing that this week, so far.

My son and his wife jhave just retruend after a splendiferous week in the USa,
sopending lots of money, at bargain prices compared to the ripoffs in Canada!1


On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:01:50 -0700, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Oct 29, 10:41 am, Ned Kelly  wrote:

>Hey Growsee!!

>I didn't think you had any money to spend anywhere in Canada or the
>US.



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For those with cash, with the US$-C$ now at $1.049, it is a great time to pick
up US$, and head off to the USA to buy vehicles, boats and also do all the
Christmas shopping there at the same time.

I have over a dozen Clients doing that this week, so far.

My son and his wife jhave just returned after a splendiferous week in the USA,
spending lots of money, at bargain prices compared to the ripoffs in Canada!


On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:01:50 -0700, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Oct 29, 10:41 am, Ned Kelly  wrote:

>Hey Growsee!!

>I didn't think you had any money to spend anywhere in Canada or the
>US.



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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:43:36 GMT, Ned Kelly 
wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:13:59 GMT, Ned Kelly 
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:05:11 -0600, John Fleming  wrote:
>>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:18:38 GMT, while chained to a desk in
>>>the scriptorium "Canuck57" 
>>>wrote:
>>>> $"John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>>>> $news:dqh7i3tpasn3o6gfqk766le9oa4pios9c5@4ax.com...

>>>> $> Let's face it.  If the gas is costing you $100 for the round
>>>> $> trip, it doesn't make sense to travel to the US to save $50
>>>> $> on a $200 DVD player.

>>>> $Fill up while in the US.  Their gasoline isn't taxed as much.
>
>>>Sure.  That cuts your "shipping costs" a bit.

>>>> $> Now if you are buying an entire surround sound home
>>>> $> entertainment system, that's another matter.  Anyway, with a
>>>> $> lot of electronics being produced in Japan, don't expect low
>>>> $> prices in the US to stay low if they are importing the stuff
>>>> $> with forex involving a more expensive Yen.

>>>> $Quite true.  If not North American made, or at least assembled their may 
>>>> $also be duty.  But say duty was 6%, you will likely still save.  Might want 
>>>> $to take advantage of the short term dip that has expanded this margin.  Plus 
>>>> $I can never remember electronics costing more in the US, even with current 
>>>> $currency variations at play.

>>>> $I also don't know, but do states like Michigan, NY, Ohio etc. refund or 
>>>> $exempt foreign shoppers from local sales taxes.  In Montana I don't worry 
>>>> $about it. 

>>>Sales tax exemptions/redemptions might make things a bit
>>>more attractive to someone living close to the border.  But
>>>for a one day trip you only get something like, IIRC a duty
>>>exemption on the first $50 in purchases when you make a one
>>>day shopping trip to the US.

>>>So if you are going to slip across the border on a shopping
>>>trip, you have to factor all these additional costs into the
>>>price paid for goods.

>>Careful shoppers will arrange for at least 2 days in the USA, which gives $400
>>per person duty free.

>>For a week, one gets $750 per person duty free, with food items duty free as
>>well.

>For car buyers interested in deals in Great Falls Montana, the following will
>help:

>If anyone is interested in a listing and more information you can point them
>to DexKnows.com and search "Auto" in Great Falls, MT.  
>There are just too many to list.

>Hope this helps,

>Tyler Spangelo
>Convention & Visitors Bureau / Communications Director
>Great Falls Area Chamber of Commerce
>100 1st Ave N
>Great Falls, MT 59401
>(406)-761-4434, ext 103
>Facsimile (406)-761-6129
>tspangelo@greatfallschamber.org

As for the organized shopping tours you may want to contact the two people
listed below and see if it would be an option.  I know it would have to
probably be a contract deal, however if a group was interested in splitting a
fee it may work in their benefit.

The first contact would be Carol Place and she runs a Historic Trolley and
provides tours of the Great Falls area.  Again I don’t know if she would
contract out a shopping tour or not.  Her contact number is 406-771-1100.  The
second one I can point you to would be Carol Lindseth with Odyssey Travel and
she may have some connections within her industry to assist with a shopping
tour.  Her contact number is 406-761-1343.

Anything else you need, you know where to find me.

Thank you,
Tyler Spangelo

Convention & Visitors Bureau / Communications Director

Great Falls Area Chamber of Commerce

100 1st Ave N

Great Falls, MT 59401

(406)-761-4434, ext 103

Facsimile (406)-761-6129

tspangelo@greatfallschamber.org




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When you shop in Bellingham or Seattle, don't you stock up on food items such
as bacon, eggs, milk, butter and so on, usually selling in the USA for around
HALF, and sometimes even less, because they do not have the canuck 
communist marketing boards?

Considering the half hour or so to get to Bellingham, compared with the time
to get to the airport - almost the same, it most definitely is worth the trip
across the border.

Even ham radio equipment is much cheaper in the USA!

I agree that saving 50% is great, but on big ticket items, even the 30% saving
makes the trip worthwhile!

Cars, boats, skidoos, computers, expensive photographic equipment, home
electronics, etc.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:50:39 -0700, laura halliday 
wrote:

>I live in suburban Vancouver, but find that the hour-plus border
>lineups make it unattractive to go to Bellingham or Seattle.

>On my last trip diesel in Seattle worked out to about $CDN 0.85
>a litre, which is indeed less than in Vancouver, but hardly worth
>the hassle.

>My criteria for buying something south of the line remain:
>50% off the Canadian price, or just plain unobtainable.

>Computer stuff is actually often cheaper in Vancouver,
>BTW, unless you hit a sale at Fry's.

>Laura Halliday VE7LDH     "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are
>Grid: CN89mg                    uncoordinated."
>ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W       - Nomad the Network Engineer



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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:17:18 GMT, Josh S  wrote:
>In article ,
> Ned Kelly  wrote:

>> When you shop in Bellingham or Seattle, don't you stock up on food items such
>> as bacon, eggs, milk, butter and so on, usually selling in the USA for around
>> HALF, and sometimes even less, because they do not have the canuck 
>> communist marketing boards?
>Definitely not; higher food standards in Canada.

Absolutely false.
Just check at Costco, or your local supermarket, for meats for example
imported from USA.
Fruits and vegetables imported from USA.

They must meet the same standards in both Canada and the US.

>> Considering the half hour or so to get to Bellingham, compared with the time
>> to get to the airport - almost the same, it most definitely is worth the trip
>> across the border.
>Add on 1+ hrs to cross the border on top of 45 minutes to the border 
>from  central Vancouver.

Sensible shoppers avoid the long lineups, by crossing in non-peak hours,
unlike the stupid poster who insists on rush hour.

>> Even ham radio equipment is much cheaper in the USA!
>Who uses that anymore?

Lots of people have ham rigs, to use in case of an emergency, when phone lines
are out.

>> I agree that saving 50% is great, but on big ticket items, even the 30% saving
>> makes the trip worthwhile!

>> Cars, boats, skidoos,
>Yes, cheaper in the USA.

>> computers, expensive photographic equipment, home
>> electronics, etc.
>Definitely no, similar prices here in Vancouver if you shop a bit.

Just check the internet ads, and see the prices are much lower in the USA!!



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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:21:29 GMT, Josh S  wrote:
>In article ,
> "Canuck57"  wrote:

>> You must be one of those inept retailers screwing Canadians.

>> Hey, I have imported before, I kid you not.  Get your paperwork in order and 
>> screw Canadian retailers who gouge us. 

>Avoid the cross border car buying hassle.
>A car dealer in the Vancouver area is now importing current year used 
>USA cars, upgrading them for Canada, then selling them at USA prices.
>Being used there should be no warranty problem in Canada.
>See Eagle Ridge GM.  Great web site too.

Cameron is in charge of the internet sales there, and has a toll-free #:
1-800-916-2166

They are located in Coquitlam, a suburb of Vancouver, and claim their pricing
saves you having to buy in the USA.

You can check deals on their website, then call Cameron.



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From: Ned Kelly 
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TV news reports are now indicating that the former trickle of shoppers going
to the USA because of fantastically better prices, has now become a flood.

With Christmas shopping starting now, with less than 60 days to the Christmas
holidays, Canadian retailers, especially those trying to peddle their
overpriced cars, boats, skidoos, electronics, clothing, and you name it,
are now getting really scared.

Their impending bankruptcies loom ever closer, as they see huge line-up at
border crossings.

When cars in the USa cost $10,000 to $60,000 LESS than in price fixing Canada,
of course people are going to buy where it benefits the buyers.

Loaded top of the line trucks and SUVs can have a saving of $30,000 to $60,000
on the top end models, and Canuck dealers refuse to lower their prices,
driving more and more customers to shop across the broder, for ALL their
Christmas shopping.

When crooked Canadian firms like Bombardier then instruct their US dealers to
swindle Canadian buyers, they deserve the growing BOYCOTT.

When Amazon.ca charges almost DOUBLE for a Canadian book, in Canada, 
than what they charge when bought from Amazon.com, then their Canadian
operation deserves to be BOYCOTTED.

Now, many cities in the USA are starting to organise Christmas shopping
packages, to entice even more Canadians to spend their money in the 
welcoming USA.

Las Vegas and Reno Nevada have long had discount packages to bring them
Canadians.

Now Seattle and Bellingham in Washington state are doing likewise, and even
Great Falls Montana is starting to get organised for a massive influx of
Canadian shoppers.

On the east coast, communities in New York, Vermont, and New Hampshire are
also encouraging Canadians to buy everything they want in the USA, at
drastically lower prices than in Canada.

To all those gouging businesses in Canada, when you go bankrupt at Christmas
time, do not expect any sympathy, because you do not deserve any, even if you
do increase the unemployment rolls with your unemployed staffers.

If some of the groups co-ordinating shopping package tours from Canada to the
USA want even more happy customers, let all of us know, by posting your names,
locations, and special deals - to the newsgroups.


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When you shop in Bellingham or Seattle, don't you stock up on food items such
as bacon, eggs, milk, butter and so on, usually selling in the USA for around
HALF, and sometimes even less, because they do not have the canuck 
communist marketing boards?

Considering the half hour or so to get to Bellingham, compared with the time
to get to the airport - almost the same, it most definitely is worth the trip
across the border.

Even ham radio equipment is much cheaper in the USA!

I agree that saving 50% is great, but on big ticket items, even the 30% saving
makes the trip worthwhile!

Cars, boats, skidoos, computers, expensive photographic equipment, home
electronics, etc.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:50:39 -0700, laura halliday 
wrote:

>I live in suburban Vancouver, but find that the hour-plus border
>lineups make it unattractive to go to Bellingham or Seattle.

>On my last trip diesel in Seattle worked out to about $CDN 0.85
>a litre, which is indeed less than in Vancouver, but hardly worth
>the hassle.

>My criteria for buying something south of the line remain:
>50% off the Canadian price, or just plain unobtainable.

>Computer stuff is actually often cheaper in Vancouver,
>BTW, unless you hit a sale at Fry's.

>Laura Halliday VE7LDH     "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are
>Grid: CN89mg                    uncoordinated."
>ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W       - Nomad the Network Engineer



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Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
officialy rescinded this useless policy.

Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
including many states in the uSa, as well as many sensible countries
throughout Asia.

At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
incarceration costs either.

There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
costs for them.


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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:17:18 GMT, Josh S  wrote:
>In article ,
> Ned Kelly  wrote:

>> When you shop in Bellingham or Seattle, don't you stock up on food items such
>> as bacon, eggs, milk, butter and so on, usually selling in the USA for around
>> HALF, and sometimes even less, because they do not have the canuck 
>> communist marketing boards?
>Definitely not; higher food standards in Canada.

Absolutely false.
Just check at Costco, or your local supermarket, for meats for example
imported from USA.
Fruits and vegetables imported from USA.

They must meet the same standards in both Canada and the US.

>> Considering the half hour or so to get to Bellingham, compared with the time
>> to get to the airport - almost the same, it most definitely is worth the trip
>> across the border.
>Add on 1+ hrs to cross the border on top of 45 minutes to the border 
>from  central Vancouver.

Sensible shoppers avoid the long lineups, by crossing in non-peak hours,
unlike the stupid poster who insists on rush hour.

>> Even ham radio equipment is much cheaper in the USA!
>Who uses that anymore?

Lots of people have ham rigs, to use in case of an emergency, when phone lines
are out.

>> I agree that saving 50% is great, but on big ticket items, even the 30% saving
>> makes the trip worthwhile!

>> Cars, boats, skidoos,
>Yes, cheaper in the USA.

>> computers, expensive photographic equipment, home
>> electronics, etc.
>Definitely no, similar prices here in Vancouver if you shop a bit.

Just check the internet ads, and see the prices are much lower in the USA!!



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On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:13:59 GMT, Ned Kelly 
wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:05:11 -0600, John Fleming  wrote:
>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:18:38 GMT, while chained to a desk in
>>the scriptorium "Canuck57" 
>>wrote:
>>> $"John Fleming"  wrote in message 
>>> $news:dqh7i3tpasn3o6gfqk766le9oa4pios9c5@4ax.com...

>>> $> Let's face it.  If the gas is costing you $100 for the round
>>> $> trip, it doesn't make sense to travel to the US to save $50
>>> $> on a $200 DVD player.

>>> $Fill up while in the US.  Their gasoline isn't taxed as much.

>>Sure.  That cuts your "shipping costs" a bit.

>>> $> Now if you are buying an entire surround sound home
>>> $> entertainment system, that's another matter.  Anyway, with a
>>> $> lot of electronics being produced in Japan, don't expect low
>>> $> prices in the US to stay low if they are importing the stuff
>>> $> with forex involving a more expensive Yen.

>>> $Quite true.  If not North American made, or at least assembled their may 
>>> $also be duty.  But say duty was 6%, you will likely still save.  Might want 
>>> $to take advantage of the short term dip that has expanded this margin.  Plus 
>>> $I can never remember electronics costing more in the US, even with current 
>>> $currency variations at play.

>>> $I also don't know, but do states like Michigan, NY, Ohio etc. refund or 
>>> $exempt foreign shoppers from local sales taxes.  In Montana I don't worry 
>>> $about it. 

>>Sales tax exemptions/redemptions might make things a bit
>>more attractive to someone living close to the border.  But
>>for a one day trip you only get something like, IIRC a duty
>>exemption on the first $50 in purchases when you make a one
>>day shopping trip to the US.

>>So if you are going to slip across the border on a shopping
>>trip, you have to factor all these additional costs into the
>>price paid for goods.

>Careful shoppers will arrange for at least 2 days in the USA, which gives $200
>per person duty free.

>For a week, one gets $750 per person duty free, with food items duty free as
>well.

For car buyers interested in deals in Great Falls Montana, the following will
help:

If anyone is interested in a listing and more information you can point them
to DexKnows.com and search "Auto" in Great Falls, MT.  
There are just too many to list.
 
Hope this helps,
  
Tyler Spangelo
Convention & Visitors Bureau / Communications Director
Great Falls Area Chamber of Commerce
100 1st Ave N
Great Falls, MT 59401
(406)-761-4434, ext 103
Facsimile (406)-761-6129
tspangelo@greatfallschamber.org


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When you shop in Bellingham or Seattle, don't you stock up on food items such
as bacon, eggs, milk, butter and so on, usually selling in the USA for around
HALF, and sometimes even less, because they do not have the canuck 
communist marketing boards?

Considering the half hour or so to get to Bellingham, compared with the time
to get to the airport - almost the same, it most definitely is worth the trip
across the border.

Even ham radio equipment is much cheaper in the USA!

I agree that saving 50% is great, but on big ticket items, even the 30% saving
makes the trip worthwhile!

Cars, boats, skidoos, computers, expensive photographic equipment, home
electronics, etc.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:50:39 -0700, laura halliday 
wrote:

>I live in suburban Vancouver, but find that the hour-plus border
>lineups make it unattractive to go to Bellingham or Seattle.

>On my last trip diesel in Seattle worked out to about $CDN 0.85
>a litre, which is indeed less than in Vancouver, but hardly worth
>the hassle.

>My criteria for buying something south of the line remain:
>50% off the Canadian price, or just plain unobtainable.

>Computer stuff is actually often cheaper in Vancouver,
>BTW, unless you hit a sale at Fry's.

>Laura Halliday VE7LDH     "Non sequitur. Your ACKS are
>Grid: CN89mg                    uncoordinated."
>ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W       - Nomad the Network Engineer



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TV news reports are now indicating that the former trickle of shoppers going
to the USA because of fantastically better prices, has now become a flood.

With Christmas shopping starting now, with less than 60 days to the Christmas
holidays, Canadian retailers, especially those trying to peddle their
overpriced cars, boats, skidoos, electronics, clothing, and you name it,
are now getting really scared.

Their impending bankruptcies loom ever closer, as they see huge line-up at
border crossings.

When cars in the USa cost $10,000 to $60,000 LESS than in price fixing Canada,
of course people are going to buy where it benefits the buyers.

Loaded top of the line trucks and SUVs can have a saving of $30,000 to $60,000
on the top end models, and Canuck dealers refuse to lower their prices,
driving more and more customers to shop across the broder, for ALL their
Christmas shopping.

When crooked Canadian firms like Bombardier then instruct their US dealers to
swindle Canadian buyers, they deserve the growing BOYCOTT.

When Amazon.ca charges almost DOUBLE for a Canadian book, in Canada, 
than what they charge when bought from Amazon.com, then their Canadian
operation deserves to be BOYCOTTED.

Now, many cities in the USA are starting to organise Christmas shopping
packages, to entice even more Canadians to spend their money in the 
welcoming USA.

Las Vegas and Reno Nevada have long had discount packages to bring them
Canadians.

Now Seattle and Bellingham in Washington state are doing likewise, and even
Great Falls Montana is starting to get organised for a massive influx of
Canadian shoppers.

On the east coast, communities in New York, Vermont, and New Hampshire are
also encouraging Canadians to buy everything they want in the USA, at
drastically lower prices than in Canada.

To all those gouging businesses in Canada, when you go bankrupt at Christmas
time, do not expect any sympathy, because you do not deserve any, even if you
do increase the unemployment rolls with your unemployed staffers.

If some of the groups co-ordinating shopping package tours from Canada to the
USA want even more happy customers, let all of us know, by posting your names,
locations, and special deals - to the newsgroups.


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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:01:42 -0700, bluedevil_1950@yahoo.com wrote:
>On Oct 25, 3:51 pm, Ned Kelly  wrote:
>> For those manufacturers and retailers who refuse to match US prices,
>> they will be the subject of massive BOYCOTTS.
>>
>> As they go bankrupt because of lack of sales, their staff will be able to
>> blame the greedy managers for the loss of their jobs.
>>
>> With the C$ now worth more than the US$, it is now so easy to go online
>> and order anything from the USA, and save lots of money.
>>
>> With Canadian shoppers flocking to the USA to do their Christmas shopping,
>> spending millions there, there will be lots of bankrupt Canadian businesses.
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:29:16 -0700, Leftists = traitors 
>> wrote:

>> >Make less money per sale, or NO money at all.  Get your prices in-line
>> >or go bankrupt.  Work on the philosophy (so successfully implemented
>> >in the U.S.) of selling a lot for a small profit each, instead of
>> >small numbers of products for huge profits.  This should allow you to
>> >make MORE money in the long run since there is less competition here
>> >than in the the U.S.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Also keep in mind. When all those Canadian businesses go bankrupt and
>their employees lose their jobs, YOUR taxes will increase so the
>government can look after them.
>It's a double edged sword.

Most seniors do not make enough, to have to pay taxes, so let the greedy
Canadian businesses go bankrupt.

By the way, the unemployed business owners will have to go on welfare, 
without being entitled to collect EI.



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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:32:08 -0400, Johannes von Ebersdorf
 wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:32:22 GMT, Ned Kelly
> wrote:

>>Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

>>Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
>>facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
>>government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
>>in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
>>officialy rescinded this useless policy.

>>Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
>>denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
>>including many states in the USA, as well as many sensible countries
>>throughout Asia.

>>At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
>>will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
>>incarceration costs either.

>>There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
>>their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
>>costs for them.

>So, great mind, how does your model deal with the large number of
>false convictions?

>There is simply no accountability for the death sentence. The people
>who send an innocent person to the gallows just shrug and go on with
>their lives.

>Accountability would, at minimum, involve the jury, the incompetent
>police officers that investigated the case, and the trial judge
>following their victim to the gallows. Any justice officials from the
>highest to the lowest that had any part in executing an innocent
>person should be subjected to summary execution with a revolver shot
>to the back of the head, preferrably on a public sidewalk in full view
>of passers-by.

The decision of a jury is based on whatever evidence is presented, whether by
the prosecution, or the defence counsel.

I agree with your sentiment that the lawyers involved in a false conviction,
together with all the crooked cops, and the judge, should likewise follow the
executed person into extermination.

>With that system in place, juries and judges would be really careful
>about handing out death sentences, which is as it should be.

>Executions have no place in civilized societies.

On the contrary, an executed criminal will never re-offend!



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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:22:57 -0700, Sheldon Liberman 
wrote:
Shellie, after 2 weeks you finally got around to reading the informative
article?

Then, you repost in full, so that we all can re-read all the info?

I am sure that the opponents of the KOSHER TAX thank you for this.


To view the video on the KOSHER TAX, go to:
http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/1417/default.aspx

>> This interesting video gives lots of details about the KOSHER TAX, and all the
>> emblems used by the ZYDS on products showing they got paid the KOSHER TAX.

>> By the way, Heinz/Libby stopped paying the KOSHER TAX on many products,
>> according to articles published in Canadian Jew News!!

>> On 24 Jul 2005 14:33:54 -0700, gordo...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> >Jewish taxation without Gentile representation
>> >"A hypothesis(?) that readily springs to mind from the above
>> >revelations is that what we have stumbled upon here is a Jewish tax on
>> >food which appears to have spread throughout the kitchen to non-food
>> >items so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products, and
>> >from there made its way to the laundry room so as to become a Jewish
>> >tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products, and from there
>> >metastacized to the medicine cabinet so as to become a Jewish tax on
>> >food plus kitchen products plus laundry products plus over-the-counter
>> >medications.  And the question that the above revelations urgently
>> >presses upon consciousness is how much this Jewish tax - if it may be
>> >so described - costs the average Canadian household each year.  Ten
>> >dollars?  A hundred dollars?  A thousand dollars?  What?  Why don't we
>> >know?  Why is there no way to find out?  Why isn't this a matter of
>> >public record?"
>> >Many graphics of grocery items on this page, click below:
>> >http://www.ukar.org/tax02.html
>> >Faster download, less graphics on (this) prior page:
>> >http://www.ukar.org/ronen01.html

>> Subject: KOSHER TAX Ripoff-HEINZ/Libby Dumps,Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>> MORE!

>> On 27 Sep 2004 15:50:36 -0000, ErnstZundel  wrote:
>>
>> Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
>> longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
>> like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
>> Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
>> Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
>> such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
>> qualified to do...

>> Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
>> ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
>> hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!

>> >From: norma2...@charter.net
>> >Newsgroups: wpg.general,calgary.general
>> >Subject: Re: Heinz Dumps KOSHER TAX-Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>> >Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:33:32 -0800
>> >"veranda"  wrote in message
>> >...
>> >> > >     veranda : the origins of Kosher are of very good value since  it
>> >> > > teaches sanitary way of food storage , handling and preparation .
>> >> > > Those were valuable practices hundreds of years ago .
>> >> > >     The whole point is that Today it only duplicates the work of
>> >> > > Public Food Inspectors and therefore is an unjustified extra cost

>> >>  wrote in message
>> >>news:9abc4e06.0304010305.50dc870e@posting.google.com...
>> >> > What duplication?  It is a symbol on the container and the cost  would
>> >> > not change in any way.  This "paranoia" is silly.
>> >veranda : what 'paranoia' ?? we are talking about saving money .
>> >In order to have the Kosher mark on a product the manufacturer
>> >must subscribe to the Rabbi inspections ( just like Public
>> >Inspectors ) and the Rabbi are charging money for their services ,
>> >you knew that !

>> >Kosher is Israel's food inspectors , dear , not in Canada though ,
>> >we got our own  !  :)

>> >Well, to set the record straight.  The Rabbinate council that approves
>> >something Kosher according to milk and meat products probably got a
>> >flat fee and if the company continued to raise the prices that counsel
>> >doesn't really care.  It is not an item by item thing.  With the
>> >Kosher diet it matters what foods are eate together (and never mil and
>> >meat) and one eats mostly milk meals, because the time period between
>> >those types of meals is longer after meat (a much heavier meal in the
>> >day.)

>> >What would it save you--less than $10 a year.

Better the $10 or much more, kept in MY pockets, so I can spend as I wish,
rather than on extortion to the ZYDS!

>> >All countries have their own Rabbinate Councils, so don't think that it
>> >is just Canada with their own.  Maybe it is the Canadian Rabbis who
>> >have demanded more money?

>> >Or, perhaps Philip Wolf, the KOSHER FOOD INSPECTOR in Calgary wanted
>> >more than the $35,000 a year he got for duplicating the work of the
>> >Canadian authorities?? Apparently, his part-time stamps business
>> >couldn't make any money either.


>> >On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:25:20 -0600, Boris Dynin  wrote:
>> >Further to the article below about Heinz/Libby, the smaller article
>> >following sheds more light on the KOSHER NOSTRA EXTORTION TAX!!
>> >The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>> >by Ernesto Cienfuegos
>> >La Voz de Aztlan

>> >Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan
>> >receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers
>> >and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our
>> >attention.

>> >Last week we received an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance
>> >of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found
>> >printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
>> >products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we
>> >do some research into the subject. What we found
>> >certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.

>> >On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
>> >verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
>> >most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
>> >Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>> >similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>> >Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper
>> >container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic
>> >sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.

>> >We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies
>> >to ask some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the
>> >Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>> >plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as
>> >most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages
>> >for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
>> >products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the
>> >(U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
>> >until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
>> >that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher".

>> >We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
>> >whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and
>> >other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
>> >Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
>> >the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
>> >she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
>> >but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>> >Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
>> >products.

>> >What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
>> >that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
>> >amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
>> >receive protection.

>> >This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
>> >the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer
>> >the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>> >not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>> >other similar markings.

>> >Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>> >sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>> >perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually
>> >Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
>> >western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation
>> >in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The
>> >(U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan
>> >and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of
>> >Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue
>> >in New York City.

>> >The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
>> >amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>> >Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
>> >Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
>> >full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.

>> >The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
>> >approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
>> >certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
>> >boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food
>> >companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish
>> >dominated media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in
>> >bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed
>> >on to the consumer anyway. The food companies have kept secret from
>> >the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the amount
>> >of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.

>> >It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
>> >manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the
>> >"Kosher Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200
>> >Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S.

>> >Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and then a
>> >large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly,
>> >the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows
>> >up to "inspect" the company's operations.
>> >Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
>> >lucrative salaries.
>> >The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food
>> >companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is

>People who profess a belief is a kosher tax do nothing but demonstrate
>why they are consigned to proffer their worthless opinions on internet
>newgroups. It's the only venue where people don't laugh in your face.



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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:32:08 -0400, Johannes von Ebersdorf
 wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:32:22 GMT, Ned Kelly
> wrote:

>>Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

>>Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
>>facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
>>government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
>>in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
>>officialy rescinded this useless policy.

>>Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
>>denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
>>including many states in the USA, as well as many sensible countries
>>throughout Asia.

>>At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
>>will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
>>incarceration costs either.

>>There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
>>their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
>>costs for them.

>So, great mind, how does your model deal with the large number of
>false convictions?

>There is simply no accountability for the death sentence. The people
>who send an innocent person to the gallows just shrug and go on with
>their lives.

>Accountability would, at minimum, involve the jury, the incompetent
>police officers that investigated the case, and the trial judge
>following their victim to the gallows. Any justice officials from the
>highest to the lowest that had any part in executing an innocent
>person should be subjected to summary execution with a revolver shot
>to the back of the head, preferrably on a public sidewalk in full view
>of passers-by.

The decision of a jury is based on whatever evidence is presented, whether by
the prosecution, or the defence counsel.

I agree with your sentiment that the lawyers involved in a false conviction,
together with all the crooked cops, and the judge, should likewise follow the
executed person into extermination.

>With that system in place, juries and judges would be really careful
>about handing out death sentences, which is as it should be.

>Executions have no place in civilized societies.

On the contrary, an executed criminal will never re-offend!



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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious  wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.


Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.



Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided, 
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs 
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile - owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete's sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.


On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Rob Welldum"  wrote in message 
>news:4291RNCI38823.7818518519@twistycreek.com...
>> Today's Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business - such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race!  Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant




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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:36:27 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 9, 9:29 am, Ned Kelly  wrote:

>[whining and complaining snipped]

>Hey Groseevenir!!

>When you pay your property taxes, do you use big bills like $50s and
>$100s?  Or do you prefer smaller denominations like twoonies and
>loonies.  (Can you carry all those coins, or do you need help?)

Why not adhere to the provisions of the Canada bank Act, and take in
$80.25 in coins, then small bills, in payment?



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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious  wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.


Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.



Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided, 
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs 
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile - owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete's sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.


On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Rob Welldum"  wrote in message 
>news:4291RNCI38823.7818518519@twistycreek.com...
>> Today's Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business - such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race!  Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant




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I believe that SHAW will be ignoring you, and your request for the information
about Greg Carr, because there is no Court Order to divulge this information.

In fact, until you PROVE in Court that Carr has broken any laws, for which a
Judge MAY grant an Order requiring Shaw to reveal confidential information,
Shaw will refuse to provide such information.

As for you and your claims, perhaps if YOUR personal information gets widely
publicised on internet, and certain people visit you, how will you like that?

By the way, what is the file number for your lawsuit, and what is the Trial
date set down?

Or, is this just a load of gastown bilge, since without an identifiable
Defendant, there is no case?


On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:43:06 -0800, Michael Yardley 
wrote:

>    I am Mr Carr's fannyboy and he has been attacking me for over
>three years in van.general with these personal attacks, not that
>anybody cares. This latest post of Mr Carr has landed him in Small
>Claims Court in Vancouver Bc CA where an action has started against
>him for defamation of character and harassment.
>
>    Mr Carr is a religious nut know to be against homosexuals. He
>believes
>in a non existent God call Yu'shua. He is a Usenet hound who
>continually attacks people in van.genenral he does not like and is
>generally a big troll. He was beaten up by a pimp in the Downtown
>East-
>side of Vancouver last year and he has a criminal record. I hope Mr
>Carr keeps on posting this crap about me as then I can get more money
>out of him when we get infront of the Small Claim judge.I am asking
>for the maximuim allowed in Small Claims $10,000. I will have to get
>his address from Shaw Cable, they have already been served with the
>papers and a motion to get Carr's address. The Case will be handle by
>a UBC Law Student who is
>interested in emerging Internet Law. I will on an ongoing report to
>van.general and edm.general what is going on with the case.
>
>    If Carr or anybody thinks they can post deragatory ongoing
>statements about them on the Net and prejdice their personal saftey
>they had better think again. The are big ethical questons posting
>people address's on the Net.Inlight of the 18 recent murders in the
>Lower Mainland.This is all part  of an emerging area of law realting
>to the Interent.
>
>   Mr Carr can save Shaws legal  bills by having to go to cournt with
>their lawyer by posting his address as I am sure he will. He has
>nothing to fear for his saftey and I can serve the papers on him and
>say hello at the same time and save Shaw Cable some money
>
>
>    Mr Carr is urging people to write my landlord and say I should be
>evicted. It is non of his fucking business where I live and he should
>mind his own fucking business. If anybody knows the Church he goes to
>please post it as I will personally write the Minister and tell them
>what a piece of shit Greg Carr is.I am fed up with religious nutcases
>we have enough where I live.
>.



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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious  wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.


Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.



Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided, 
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs 
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile - owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete's sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.


On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Rob Welldum"  wrote in message 
>news:4291RNCI38823.7818518519@twistycreek.com...
>> Today's Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business - such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race!  Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant




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I believe that SHAW will be ignoring you, and your request for the information
about Greg Carr, because there is no Court Order to divulge this information.

In fact, until you PROVE in Court that Carr has broken any laws, for which a
Judge MAY grant an Order requiring Shaw to reveal confidential information,
Shaw will refuse to provide such information.

As for you and your claims, perhaps if YOUR personal information gets widely
publicised on internet, and certain people visit you, how will you like that?

By the way, what is the file number for your lawsuit, and what is the Trial
date set down?

Or, is this just a load of gastown bilge, since without an identifiable
Defendant, there is no case?


On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:43:06 -0800, Michael Yardley 
wrote:

>    I am Mr Carr's fannyboy and he has been attacking me for over
>three years in van.general with these personal attacks, not that
>anybody cares. This latest post of Mr Carr has landed him in Small
>Claims Court in Vancouver Bc CA where an action has started against
>him for defamation of character and harassment.
>
>    Mr Carr is a religious nut know to be against homosexuals. He
>believes
>in a non existent God call Yu'shua. He is a Usenet hound who
>continually attacks people in van.genenral he does not like and is
>generally a big troll. He was beaten up by a pimp in the Downtown
>East-
>side of Vancouver last year and he has a criminal record. I hope Mr
>Carr keeps on posting this crap about me as then I can get more money
>out of him when we get infront of the Small Claim judge.I am asking
>for the maximuim allowed in Small Claims $10,000. I will have to get
>his address from Shaw Cable, they have already been served with the
>papers and a motion to get Carr's address. The Case will be handle by
>a UBC Law Student who is
>interested in emerging Internet Law. I will on an ongoing report to
>van.general and edm.general what is going on with the case.
>
>    If Carr or anybody thinks they can post deragatory ongoing
>statements about them on the Net and prejdice their personal saftey
>they had better think again. The are big ethical questons posting
>people address's on the Net.Inlight of the 18 recent murders in the
>Lower Mainland.This is all part  of an emerging area of law realting
>to the Interent.
>
>   Mr Carr can save Shaws legal  bills by having to go to cournt with
>their lawyer by posting his address as I am sure he will. He has
>nothing to fear for his saftey and I can serve the papers on him and
>say hello at the same time and save Shaw Cable some money
>
>
>    Mr Carr is urging people to write my landlord and say I should be
>evicted. It is non of his fucking business where I live and he should
>mind his own fucking business. If anybody knows the Church he goes to
>please post it as I will personally write the Minister and tell them
>what a piece of shit Greg Carr is.I am fed up with religious nutcases
>we have enough where I live.
>.



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After reading all the testimonials from happy buyers of big ticket items in
the USA, it will be worth our while, to join a bus tour group of shoppers to
either Spokane, or preferably Seattle, and spend, spend, spend.

If staying out of Canada for 48 hours, the $400 per person duty free
allowance, or $750 if out of Canada for a week, per person sure makes the trip
extremely attractive.

Maybe by the time enough Canadians spend all their money for Christmas in the
USA, instead of rip-off Canada, then maybe prices in Canada will fall to where
they can compete with US prices for identical items!!

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:31:53 -0000, OMG  wrote:
>On Oct 12, 7:37 am, JudgeLynch  wrote:

>> It sounds like it will be very profitable for those of us not at the border
>> communities, to actually get to Vancouver, and then cross to USA and spend
>> money where the prices are so much lower!!

>You are into hype aren't you?  Because that's all it is.  You keep
>festering on your same old delusional beliefs.

>You *may* make a profit on buying a car in the US and bringing it
>across the line to Canada, but not likely because as soon as you drive
>it off the lot, it takes a hit of around 30-35% depreciation. So, if
>you save 20% buy buying the US, you are already have lost 15%.

>You sound like your baiting or a real stupid, naive, and stubborn
>fuck. So anyway, come on down to Washington State and see for
>yourself.




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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(£9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus' mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play "an important role" in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.


Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

"Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud," said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; £541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.


>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks - in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.


>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a "crisis meeting" with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!!  In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to "take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens".

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!



>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, "Paul"  wrote:
>>>"Craig Welch"  wrote in message 
>>>news:05tci3p2r6alippljpsofvojef7csddj21@4ax.com...
>>>> Ned Kelly  said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due 
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and 
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig                           http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606 




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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay  wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>> airplane crashes.

>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!



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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:54:04 -0800, Jay  wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
>> Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?
>> 
>> With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
>> Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?
>> 
>> Was Harpo also involved at some time?
>> Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?
>
>You'd have to weigh in a few factors, including the cost of a civil 
>matter, or the inquiry beforehand. Is it worth it? I doubt it. Millions 
>more would be spent on something where there would be no return on the 
>investment when the day is done.


Many taxpayers would gladly pay, for Mulroney to not only be found guilty of
perjury, and accepting bribes, but to also have him convicted and sentenced to
prison!!

>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
>> than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)
>> 
>> Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
>> himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
>> conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
>> head.
>> 
>> We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
>> need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
>> the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
>> this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
>> corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
>> on..
>> 
>> For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
>> years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.
>> 
>> I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
>> Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
>> Jack Layton?
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:
>> 
>>> MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>>> CHANTAL HEBERT
>>> NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>>> Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>>> Appeared on page A7
>>> It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>>> into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>>> the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>>>
>>> Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>>> Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>>> to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>>>
>>> Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>>> Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>>> Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>>> with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>>>
>>> The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>>> unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>>> reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>>> after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>>> libel suit.
>>>
>>> The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>>> activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>>> the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>>> money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>>>
>>> Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>>>
>>> But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>>> multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>>> then what it knows now.
>>>
>>> The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>>> a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>>> recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>>> controversy once.
>>>
>>> But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>>> cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>>> lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>>>
>>> It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>>> Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>>> inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>>> be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>>> one of the father figures of his party.
>>>
>>> In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>>>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>>> no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>>> member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>>> Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>>> held senior positions in his regime.
>>>
>>> But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>>> party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>>> the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>>> sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>>> ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>>>
>>> As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>>> public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>>> but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>>> ordering one.
>>>
>>> Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>>> regular contributor to the opinion section.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 



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Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
officialy rescinded this useless policy.

Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
including many states in the USA, as well as many sensible countries
throughout Asia.

At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
incarceration costs either.

There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
costs for them.


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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:01:42 -0700, bluedevil_1950@yahoo.com wrote:
>On Oct 25, 3:51 pm, Ned Kelly  wrote:
>> For those manufacturers and retailers who refuse to match US prices,
>> they will be the subject of massive BOYCOTTS.
>>
>> As they go bankrupt because of lack of sales, their staff will be able to
>> blame the greedy managers for the loss of their jobs.
>>
>> With the C$ now worth more than the US$, it is now so easy to go online
>> and order anything from the USA, and save lots of money.
>>
>> With Canadian shoppers flocking to the USA to do their Christmas shopping,
>> spending millions there, there will be lots of bankrupt Canadian businesses.
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:29:16 -0700, Leftists = traitors 
>> wrote:

>> >Make less money per sale, or NO money at all.  Get your prices in-line
>> >or go bankrupt.  Work on the philosophy (so successfully implemented
>> >in the U.S.) of selling a lot for a small profit each, instead of
>> >small numbers of products for huge profits.  This should allow you to
>> >make MORE money in the long run since there is less competition here
>> >than in the the U.S.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Also keep in mind. When all those Canadian businesses go bankrupt and
>their employees lose their jobs, YOUR taxes will increase so the
>government can look after them.
>It's a double edged sword.

Most seniors do not make enough, to have to pay taxes, so let the greedy
Canadian businesses go bankrupt.

By the way, the unemployed business owners will have to go on welfare, 
without being entitled to collect EI.



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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:54:04 -0800, Jay  wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
>> Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?
>> 
>> With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
>> Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?
>> 
>> Was Harpo also involved at some time?
>> Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?
>
>You'd have to weigh in a few factors, including the cost of a civil 
>matter, or the inquiry beforehand. Is it worth it? I doubt it. Millions 
>more would be spent on something where there would be no return on the 
>investment when the day is done.


Many taxpayers would gladly pay, for Mulroney to not only be found guilty of
perjury, and accepting bribes, but to also have him convicted and sentenced to
prison!!

>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
>> than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)
>> 
>> Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
>> himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
>> conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
>> head.
>> 
>> We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
>> need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
>> the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
>> this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
>> corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
>> on..
>> 
>> For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
>> years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.
>> 
>> I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
>> Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
>> Jack Layton?
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:
>> 
>>> MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>>> CHANTAL HEBERT
>>> NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>>> Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>>> Appeared on page A7
>>> It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>>> into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>>> the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>>>
>>> Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>>> Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>>> to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>>>
>>> Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>>> Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>>> Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>>> with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>>>
>>> The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>>> unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>>> reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>>> after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>>> libel suit.
>>>
>>> The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>>> activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>>> the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>>> money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>>>
>>> Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>>>
>>> But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>>> multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>>> then what it knows now.
>>>
>>> The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>>> a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>>> recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>>> controversy once.
>>>
>>> But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>>> cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>>> lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>>>
>>> It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>>> Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>>> inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>>> be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>>> one of the father figures of his party.
>>>
>>> In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>>>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>>> no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>>> member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>>> Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>>> held senior positions in his regime.
>>>
>>> But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>>> party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>>> the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>>> sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>>> ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>>>
>>> As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>>> public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>>> but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>>> ordering one.
>>>
>>> Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>>> regular contributor to the opinion section.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 



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On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:35:31 -0000, Sammwitch 
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>On Nov 3, 9:36 am, screefer 
>wrote:
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>>
>> Windows Vista capable (as stated on case Windows badge).
>>
>> Warranty expires on January 18th 2008 (extendable by 2years for $99).
>>
>> Comes with manuals, laptop cooler, wireless mouse, AC adapter, and so
>> on.
>>
>> Great cosmetic condition with no noticeable wear (one minor scratch on
>> top).
>>
>> Accepting offers. (Looking for $500).
>>
>> email:
>>
>> screefer at that google mail place.
>>
>> Would consider trades for the following higher end desktop parts:
>>
>> 775 or AM2 CPU's
>>
>> Compatible Motherboards for 775 or AM2 CPU's
>>
>> Compatible RAM for Motherboards  of 775 or AM2 CPU's.
>>
>> Large capacity hard drives (750 GB 1 TB)

>its Rodd BTW

If it is RODD again, CRA will enjoy tracking him down again, to ensure he
declares all his income, and pays all the taxes due.



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In the Edmonton Journal for today is a Letter to the Editor.
The writer states that after many generations of being a resiedent, 
he and his family have finally had enough of the insane tax increases.

he and his family will be leaving, for a more sane community where 
taxes are used only for essential services, rather than for benefiting 
friends of council.


On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:26:04 -0800, "Mr. Smartypants"
 wrote:

>On Nov 11, 8:04 pm, Ned Kelly  wrote:
>> City Council is inviting comments on their crooked budget proposals of
>> 10% when inflation only around 4%!
>> Public hearings will be held soon.
>> If you want to give them a piece of your mind, Sharx and others,
>> call the City Clerk at 496-8178 .
>>
>> Let the bottom-feeders know that enough is enough!!
>>
>> The clowns and crooks mismanaging Deadmonton want to hike taxes by
>> at least 10%, PLUS hike a lot of service charges!!
>>
>> This is not necessary, were the city to honestly get value for the
>> taxpayer dollars.
>>
>> For example:
>> Why should taxpayers be giving $4.8 million a year to the millionaires
>> running the Deadmonton Oilers? Don't forget each so-called player
>> thug is getting  paid a minimum of $600,000!
>>
>> Why is the city giving more than $6 million a year to EDE which has no
>> results, while the Chamber of Commerce which does bring in new
>> businesses does so without city funding?
>>
>> Why is the city paying $5 millions plus for the Leduc Airport, when they
>> have no good flights to Europe or Asia, since this airport got blackballed
>> by airlines because of the management?
>>
>> The city wasted more than $600,000 it did not have, nor was it budgeted,
>> in connection with the car race this past July, involving Triple5,
>> a for-profit business!!
>>
>> By the way, is it true, that WEM is being DELIBERATELY UNDER-ASSESSED
>> BY MANY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
>>
>> Has the City Auditor checked the ASSESSMENT against all the financing on WEM?
>>
>> Financial mismanagement abounds, in the city tax department, which in
>> one example alone, allowed a MASSIVE UNDERASSESSMENT OF
>> HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, for 8 years, on one property, located at
>> 13723 - 93 St.
>> Why does the city not prosecute and FIRE the tax department staffer
>> responsible?
>>
>> Why should taxpayers have to pay so many millions for the disgraceful
>> proposal for an unwanted Art Gallery, when essential services such as
>> roads need fixing?
>>
>> If the city got out of the after-school daycare and daycare subsidies,
>> which are both the responsibilites of the Provinvial government, another
>> $12 million can be saved off the backs of taxpayers.
>>
>> Then there is the million and more squandered on the clowns in the Police
>> Commission!
>>
>> Notice that the city has consistently opposed MBO, PBB and similar
>> programs to determine the necessity, and usefulness of city expenditures,
>> because  city mismangement know that many of their wasteful practices would
>> result in many terminations of employment.
>>
>> The local police farce WASTES $1 MILLION. More than a million dollars can be
>> cut from the police budget, by firing the 9 overpaid hacks and flacks in the
>> PR section. while at the same time the handful of senior cops get paid another
>> million$!!
>> For what is paid the chief and senior officers, they should be functionally
>> literate in the English language, to speak for themselves, instead of using
>> an overpaid  mouthpiece!
>>
>> Millions more can be eliminated from the police budget by getting rid of
>> the glorified toy, called the copper chopper! These funds could then be
>> used to hire some HONEST COPS, for actual community policing.
>>
>> Who can forget the astronomic kickbacks/payoff to all the disgraced
>> terminated police chiefs!! Adding in their fantastic pensions, these cost
>> the taxpapyers more millions of dollars!
>>
>> And do not forget all the criminal convictions of so many crooked cops,
>> paid by the taxpayers!!
>>
>> Sharx, and Grosvenor, care to add a few more examples of financial WASTE
>> by Deadmonton, so that perhaps Nickel and Leibovici can perhaps rein in
>> the mare and the rest of the jackasses?
>>
>> It is time to fire those useless members of the city administration.
>> And Lowry of EPCOR should also be fired, for costing taxpayers an extra
>> $450,000 for late payment of taxes to Leduc!!
>>
>> It is time to eliminate those services not the responsibility of the
>> city - including sports, arts, multicult - which are FEDERAL/Provincial
>> responsibilities!!
>>
>> It is time to get value for our tax dollars, rather than believing all the
>> lies from council and city managers.
>> IF INFLATION IS ONLY 4%, THEN TAX HIKES SHOULD NOT BE ANY HIGHER THAN 2%!
>> Further, with assessment values on homes increasing, plus a tax hike,
>> seniors will no longer be able to afford to keep their homes!!
>>
>> It is time for our pampered Jew Mayor to think about the average taxpayer,
>> instead of the elites whom he wants to subsidize at taxpayer expense.
>>
>> It is time for taxpayers to say, WE DO NOT WANT TO GET JEWED ANY LONGER!!
>>
>> Don't forget, these are the same SLIME, WHO GAVE THEMSELVES A PAY HIKE OF
>> OVER 30%, without the consent of the taxpayers or voters!!
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> John Bryant
>>
>> TOLERANCE is a virtue of a man WITHOUT convictions.
>> G. K. Chesterton.
>>
>> We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>>
>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431
>>
>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.
>>
>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVayhttp://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html[Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>>
>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>
>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>>
>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavi...@verizon.net, especially late
>> nights.
>>
>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>> send lots of emails to: k...@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473
>>
>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:http://www.jewwatch.com
>>
>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE -www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR -www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA -www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT -http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele -www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA -http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscr...@topica.com
>>
>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE :http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>>
>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>>
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>>
>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.
>
>
>
>Nothing concrete will happen until the people march to city hall with
>pitchforks and torches and haul the bastards out to the hangin' tree.
>
>



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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:17:58 -0800, "chris@freeswapper.org"
 wrote:

>www.FreeSwapper.Net lets you offer and receive used items with people
>in your community, all for Free! Reduce the amount of stuff going to
>the landfill. Make the world more beautiful. Build Karma!

>www.FreeSwapper.Net

Looks like just another version of previous SCAMS, by same scuzbuckets?

Time to have SI of CRA on to this version as well.


On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:27:11 GMT, Pete  wrote:

>The only proof you provided was that the old Free Cycle group is now the 
>group that you are in charge of.

>You completely ignored that there was a BAX moderator (who was accused 
>of ripping off people as well as other moderators) in the first link 
>that I provided, and now there is a BAX in CONTROL of the new group. 
>Please tell me the odds that TWO "Bax" entities would exist with in two 
>group foundations.

>As far as I am concerned, you ARE the same person mentioned in the 
>previous link. I have no doubt the group switch was done to take some 
>heat off people like you, and to make sure you can keep ripping off crap 
>and be able to sell it.

>I have spoken to someone I know was very active in Edmonton Free Cycle, 
>and a Brian and Andrew were the two main people surrounding the 
>accusations of mods shady dealings.

>What a coincidence that YOU happen to be ANDREW and BAX...

>Keep shovelling the shit. Eventually you will be over your head in it, 
>but I am not buying one iota of it.

>Pete

>Bax wrote:
>> I see you completely ignored all my points below.
>> And refused to admit you were wrong, even when I provided PROOF.
 
>> That answers the question of whether you were a man or not. 

>> And still no PROOF to your slander.

>> Show me one shred of proof? Anything? 
 
>> I thought not.

>> It is impossible to prove a falsehood.
 
>> And like is typical of people like you. When you realize you have
>> completely lost an argument, you resort to repetitive name calling and
>> circular false logic.

>> Before long you'll be challenging me to a fight behind the school.

>> Well, I'll bow out for now. While some may have found this amusing,
>> I'm betting most found it tedious.

>> Andrew
>> Edmonton Earthcycle Owner

>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:15:12 GMT, Pete  wrote:

>>> So basically the same crooks are in control of this group as the last 
>>> group, and only the name changed.

>>> There is real progress.. and I guess you WERE in fact the Bax that was a 
>>> previous moderator. What are the odds that a "Bax" was a thief on 
>>> Freecycle, and now a "Bax" owns the new group?

>>> The more and more you talk, the more and more you look like a fucking fool.

>>> If YOU were any type of man, you wouldn't scam your users, or continue. 
>>> We know you're not, so I await your reply.

>>> Pete

>>> Bax wrote:
>>>> I guess you are just not very bright, are you?

>>>> That message complaining about spam was posted by ME!

>>>> http://www.frugality.ca/ was joining Freecycle groups last year and
>>>> harvesting e-mail addresses.

>>>> I posted that message on their website demanding that the website
>>>> owner do something about it.
>>>> He did. He immediately removed that staff member and posted a public
>>>> apology.

>>>> Hell, if you even bothered to read the whole thread you posted, you'd
>>>> see his apology.

>>>> So much for your PROOF.

>>>> And as for Edmonton Freecycle dying. Are you just plain blind?
>>>> We WERE Edmonton Freecycle. We renamed our group after we removed
>>>> ourselves from the Freecycle network because of immoral practices by
>>>> THEM.

>>>> We have 12,000 members!
>>>> Yes, 12,000! And over 4,000 messages posted per month.
>>>> Does that sound like a group that died??
>>>> We are the most successful group of our kind in the world.

>>>> Do you just ignore FACTS and pretend they don't exist when they don't
>>>> support your side of things?

>>>> And, after you post all this Bull, you have the gall to call ME a
>>>> dumbass?

>>>> If you were any kind of a man, you'd backpeddle right here and
>>>> apologize.

>>>> Andrew
>>>> Edmonton Earthcycle Owner

>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:32:46 GMT, Pete  wrote:

>>>>> Ok fine. Unfounded allegations that everyone and their dog knows about, 
>>>>> except apparently you, who not only defends the previous groups 
>>>>> moderators, but you spam people with emails asking people to join your 
>>>>> group, which is basically the same fucking concept.

>>>>> Now while I know you are going to ask for PROOF.. well here it is:

>>>>> http://www.frugality.ca/frugalforum/Frugalityca-harvesting-and-spamming-Freecycle-members-e-mail-addresses-t-198.html

>>>>> Let's here your excuses for that.. but then again you wouldn't do 
>>>>> anything wrong right?

>>>>> Edmonton Free-Cycle basically died because of the former moderators 
>>>>> stealing from the group. You know it, I know it...

>>>>> Why do I bother? You are probably the same ass that was a mod on there 
>>>>> before ripping people off and are just defending yourself.

>>>>> And you are right. I am an ass hole. I speak my mind when I see dumb 
>>>>> asses talking shit about something they KNOW the previous person is 
>>>>> right about.

>>>>> Go hide under a fucking rock and take your bullshit group with you.

>>>>> Pete

>>>>> Bax wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting link you posted. 
>>>>>> All it is, is a copy of the ranting by the other poster.
>>>>>> Again ZERO proof. Just unfounded allegations.

>>>>>> So, YOU have PROOF of this allegation?

>>>>>> Or do you simply live up to your nickname?

>>>>>> Perhaps you are just another sock puppet?

>>>>>> And, no I have never been a MOD of Free cycle.

>>>>>> I run Edmonton Earth cycle.

>>>>>> An interesting FACT is that Edmonton Earth cycle is the largest group
>>>>>> of it's type in Canada and the busiest in the world.

>>>>>> If there were any underhanded dealings in our group, we would have
>>>>>> lost our members long ago.

>>>>>> Another FACT is that we run a VERY tight ship. If anyone was found to
>>>>>> be doing anything immoral, they would be immediately dismissed.

>>>>>> It's a very sad state of affairs when people just attack a local
>>>>>> community group with completely unfounded allegations. A group that
>>>>>> has helped thousands and has kept literally tons of material out of
>>>>>> our local landfills.

>>>>>> But small people with small lives may feel challenged by others trying
>>>>>> to do some good in this world.
>>>>>> Maybe it makes them feel even smaller?

>>>>>> What's your opinion on that, Pete aka Ashole?

>>>>>> Andrew aka Bax
>>>>>> Edmonton Earthcycle Owner
>>>>>> http://edmontonearthcycle.org/

>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:38:52 GMT, Pete  wrote:

>>>>>>> It is well known that the Edmonton-Freecycle had mods that were taking 
>>>>>>> stuff before it was posted to the group, and in some cases selling the 
>>>>>>> items that took.

>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken one mod was investigated by the CRA.

>>>>>>> Oddly someone named "Bax" was a mod on Freecycle :)

>>>>>>> http://www.talkabouttaxes.com/group/can.taxes/messages/86226.html

>>>>>>> One and the same "Bax"?

>>>>>>> Pete

>>>>>>> Bax wrote:
>>>>>>>> Words are cheap.

>>>>>>>> Care to share the PROOF of this with us?

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Otherwise, you admit this is merely a personal grudge against a local
>>>>>>>> community group.

>>>>>>>> Bax

>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:09:29 GMT, Jim McCarthy
>>>>>>>>  wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Sure smells like a rehash of the Edmonton Freecycle SCAM, where the
>>>>>>>>> "moderators" scammed all the good stuff, for free, before it got listed for
>>>>>>>>> the members!!

>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:00:10 GMT,
>>>>>>>>> EdmontonEarthcycle-owner@-nospam-yahoogroups.ca wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> http://edmontonearthcycle.org/
>>>>>>>>>> Our group is open to all who want to "recycle" that special something
>>>>>>>>>> rather than throw it away.
>>>>>>>>>> Whether it's a chair, a fax machine or an old door, feel free to post it.
>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe you're looking to acquire something yourself!
>>>>>>>>>> One constraint: Everything must be FREE.
>>>>>>>>>> http://edmontonearthcycle.org/




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With experts such as Brian Rigg documenting ZYDS in the Wehrmacht, up to
General Milch, of course the zionazis do not want this publicised, that they
aided the Germans!!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:25 -0600, Art@Arthurian.com wrote:

>No wonder ZYDS do not want this made public, for they fear 
>reprisals by non-ZYDS/Christians who get to know the truth =  Pravda!Wahr!

>From: "Johnny" 
>Newsgroups:talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iraq,
>soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.german
>Subject: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


>From: The Truth Seeker 

>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

>By Lenni Brenner

>Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
>the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
>surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
>supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
>anti-semitic of regimes.

>Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous Stern
>Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
>Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
>is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
>Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
>national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
>as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

>These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
>of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
>establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
>willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
>the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
>travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

>These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
>history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
>not quite what it seems.

>They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
>precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
>million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
>the greater goal of a Zionist State.

>The Truth Seeker has spoken.


>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
> wrote:
>>Reply-To: "George" ,
>>PRAWDA!

>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>> wrote:

>>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>>isolated incident!!

>>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  

>>>>September 2004, page 86 
>>>>Book Review

>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>>$15.

>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>>new Jewish nation. 

>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>>glossary and index.

>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>>same concept. 

>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>>threatened European brethren.

>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>>18, 1943:

>>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)

>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.

>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>>examining Zionism.


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur ,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the
like.



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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for the ZYDS,
then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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Re: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich-pure bullshit neo-Nazi propaganda!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:24 GMT, in soc.culture.german Al Smith
 wrote:
> "Al Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:JjNVi.50377$G25.42434@edtnps89...
>>> >> The Germans murdered  six million Jews including infants, unborn,  babies,
>>> >> little chidren, teen agers and any German whose grandparents who 
>>> >> was a Jew.
>>> >> There were no Jews serving in Hitlers Reich in WWII.
>>> >> The propaganda is fakery and there is not a shred of evidence that 
>>> >> a single Jew was ever permitted to be in the German Army in WWII.

>> > That's a bit unlikely, don't you think? That *no* Jews were serving 
>> > in Hitler's Reich? Seems to me that quite a few Jews or half-Jews 
>> > would have been in the bureaucracy, and even in the
> 
> Google: "Jews serving in Hitlers"
> 
> And you will find it is pure bullshit.
> In reality the Nazis exterminated even born & raised Christians who 
> had Jewish parents or grandparents.

I did Google. This author seems to disagree with you:

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/020705/army.shtml

And this one:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

And then there's this guy:

http://christianparty.net/wm/wm0076a.html

All of them seem to think that there were many Jews serving in the 
German military under Hitler. Which is what I would assume, 
intuitively. It just makes sense. Many Jews hid their identities. 
Many were associated with the military before the rise of the 
Nazis. I would expect there to have been thousands of Jews in the 
armed forces of the Third Reich, actively serving as combat soldiers.

And never forget the detailed book by Prof. Brian Rigg!

Just because it is deemed politically incorrect today for them to 
have done this, does not mean it never happened.

-Al-



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Re: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich-pure bullshit neo-Nazi propaganda!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:24 GMT, in soc.culture.german Al Smith
 wrote:
> "Al Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:JjNVi.50377$G25.42434@edtnps89...
>>> >> The Germans murdered  six million Jews including infants, unborn,  babies,
>>> >> little chidren, teen agers and any German whose grandparents who 
>>> >> was a Jew.
>>> >> There were no Jews serving in Hitlers Reich in WWII.
>>> >> The propaganda is fakery and there is not a shred of evidence that 
>>> >> a single Jew was ever permitted to be in the German Army in WWII.

>> > That's a bit unlikely, don't you think? That *no* Jews were serving 
>> > in Hitler's Reich? Seems to me that quite a few Jews or half-Jews 
>> > would have been in the bureaucracy, and even in the
> 
> Google: "Jews serving in Hitlers"
> 
> And you will find it is pure bullshit.
> In reality the Nazis exterminated even born & raised Christians who 
> had Jewish parents or grandparents.

I did Google. This author seems to disagree with you:

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/020705/army.shtml

And this one:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

And then there's this guy:

http://christianparty.net/wm/wm0076a.html

All of them seem to think that there were many Jews serving in the 
German military under Hitler. Which is what I would assume, 
intuitively. It just makes sense. Many Jews hid their identities. 
Many were associated with the military before the rise of the 
Nazis. I would expect there to have been thousands of Jews in the 
armed forces of the Third Reich, actively serving as combat soldiers.

And never forget the detailed book by Prof. Brian Rigg!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


On Tue,  2 Oct 2007 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC), FrankArthur 
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:48:06 -0400, in soc.culture.jewish "ElParedon"
> wrote:

>http://www.bryanrigg.com/jewish_soldiers_pics.htm

>ENJOY!

>(If it doesn't open with Firefox, try other browsers)

>On 10 Apr 2007 20:52:09 -0700, in alt.revisionism ralphgordon@mail.com 
>wrote:

>Probably many here have heard of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold
>Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German
>Military by Bryan Mark Rigg, and published by the University Press of
>Kansas ( http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html )


Just because it is deemed politically incorrect today for them to 
have done this, does not mean it never happened.

-Al-



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With experts such as Brian Rigg documenting ZYDS in the Wehrmacht, 
up to General Milch, of course the zionazis do not want this publicised, 
that they aided the Germans!!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:25 -0600, Art@Arthurian.com wrote:

>No wonder ZYDS do not want this made public, for they fear 
>reprisals by non-ZYDS/Christians who get to know the truth =  Pravda!Wahr!

>From: "Johnny" 
>Newsgroups:talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iraq,
>soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.german
>Subject: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


>From: The Truth Seeker 

>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

>By Lenni Brenner

>Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
>the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
>surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
>supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
>anti-semitic of regimes.

>Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous Stern
>Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
>Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
>is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
>Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
>national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
>as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

>These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
>of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
>establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
>willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
>the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
>travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

>These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
>history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
>not quite what it seems.

>They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
>precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
>million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
>the greater goal of a Zionist State.

>The Truth Seeker has spoken.


>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
> wrote:
>>Reply-To: "George" ,
>>PRAWDA!

>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>> wrote:

>>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>>isolated incident!!

>>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  

>>>>September 2004, page 86 
>>>>Book Review

>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>>$15.

>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>>new Jewish nation. 

>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>>glossary and index.

>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>>same concept. 

>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>>threatened European brethren.

>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>>18, 1943:

>>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)

>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.

>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>>examining Zionism.


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur ,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the
like.



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With experts such as Brian Rigg documenting ZYDS in the Wehrmacht, 
up to General Milch, of course the zionazis do not want this publicised, 
that they aided the Germans!!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:25 -0600, Art@Arthurian.com wrote:

>No wonder ZYDS do not want this made public, for they fear 
>reprisals by non-ZYDS/Christians who get to know the truth =  Pravda!Wahr!

>From: "Johnny" 
>Newsgroups:talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iraq,
>soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.german
>Subject: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


>From: The Truth Seeker 

>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

>By Lenni Brenner

>Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
>the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
>surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
>supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
>anti-semitic of regimes.

>Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous Stern
>Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
>Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
>is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
>Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
>national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
>as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

>These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
>of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
>establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
>willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
>the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
>travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

>These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
>history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
>not quite what it seems.

>They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
>precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
>million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
>the greater goal of a Zionist State.

>The Truth Seeker has spoken.


>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
> wrote:
>>Reply-To: "George" ,
>>PRAWDA!

>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>> wrote:

>>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>>isolated incident!!

>>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  

>>>>September 2004, page 86 
>>>>Book Review

>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>>$15.

>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>>new Jewish nation. 

>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>>glossary and index.

>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>>same concept. 

>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>>threatened European brethren.

>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>>18, 1943:

>>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)

>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.

>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>>examining Zionism.


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur ,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the
like.



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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, "Georgio Salavantinizi"
 wrote:

>Can't people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that 
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from 
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist 
>Nazi party.

>It's back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are 
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just 
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!


>"Marek Maciej Ziemba"  wrote in message 
>news:cfa6c52b4528b0b915763ae35ae23915@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's  Italy.
>>>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of 'nationality'
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own'
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5                           The Kastner Case
>> ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
>> for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>> still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>> collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price...was not too high for me.
>>
>> "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...
>>
>> "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal...
>> 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>> this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment."

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> nord@powernetonline.com

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> 'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>> ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> ----------------
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> "Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> 'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>> keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>> group here'.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd'.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ------------
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> "The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another."
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> 'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> "From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> 'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> "Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements." (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> -------------
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> "All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> "Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> "The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>> "If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma'ariv*:
>> "What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>> rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> -------------------------
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> 'collaboration'.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> "...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree'.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
>> one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger....
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> --------------------------
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> "I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others....
>>
>> an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.'
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith...
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>> - nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> -----------
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> 'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships'.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> 'now dead'.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Elias Davidsson - Oldugata 50 - 101 Reykjavik - Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: edavid@itn.is     URL:  http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
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Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
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no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:41:26 -0600, in de.soc.politik.misc Matthias Kern
 wrote:

Israel will wieder mal in Deutschland regieren...
Immer die verfluechten Juden!

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:03:15 +0200, in de.soc.politik.misc Andreas Gumtow
 wrote:

21. Oktober 2006
Stein dringt auf Initiative gegen Rechtsextreme

Israels Botschafter in Deutschland, Schimon Stein, hat an Politik und 
Gesellschaft appelliert, gemeinsam gegen den Rechtsradikalismus aktiv 
zu werden.
In der "Neuen Osnabrücker Zeitung" sagte Stein, es handele sich "nicht 
mehr um Randerscheinungen", wenn Rechtsradikale in die Landtage von 
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Brandenburg und Sachsen gewählt worden seien.
] N24

Wann geht Herr Stein denn nun gegen Liebermann vor? Der ist wesentlich 
extremer und sitzt nicht etwa "nur" in einem Landtag sondern in der 
Knesset. Welche extreme Partei, außer natürlich der linksextremen 
SED/PDS NAchfolgeorganisation "LINKE", sitzt im Bundestag? Oder ist 
das nicht so schlimm weil Liebermann und Co ja zu den "RICHTIGEN"(tm) 
gehört?

-- 
In der Politik ist es ähnlich wie im Pflegeheim...

Auch Politiker müssen öfter mal gewendet werden,
sonst lügen die sich durch.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


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Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, "Georgio Salavantinizi"
 wrote:

>Can't people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that 
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from 
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist 
>Nazi party.

>It's back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are 
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just 
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!


>"Marek Maciej Ziemba"  wrote in message 
>news:cfa6c52b4528b0b915763ae35ae23915@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's  Italy.
>>>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of 'nationality'
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own'
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5                           The Kastner Case
>> ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
>> for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>> still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>> collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price...was not too high for me.
>>
>> "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...
>>
>> "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal...
>> 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>> this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment."

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> nord@powernetonline.com

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> 'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>> ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> ----------------
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> "Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> 'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>> keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>> group here'.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd'.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ------------
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> "The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another."
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> 'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> "From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> 'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> "Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements." (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> -------------
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> "All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> "Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> "The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>> "If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma'ariv*:
>> "What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>> rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> -------------------------
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> 'collaboration'.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> "...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree'.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
>> one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger....
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> --------------------------
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> "I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others....
>>
>> an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.'
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith...
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>> - nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> -----------
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> 'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships'.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> 'now dead'.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Elias Davidsson - Oldugata 50 - 101 Reykjavik - Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: edavid@itn.is     URL:  http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

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Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of More Than 1.7 Million Germans
No wonder Germans do not want to support Bush!

From: "Neil Harrington" 
Subject: Eisenhower's death camps - with photos
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:34:57 -0500

Links to photographs of the relevant pages of Saturday Night magazine, 
September 1989, can be found here:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Eisenhower-death-camps.html

The article, "Eisenhower's Death Camps: The last dirty secret of World War 
Two," includes some photos of the camps.

The author, James Bacque, later expanded this to a book entitled "Other 
Losses." 


From: J Young 
Subject: Eisenhower's Holocaust ......  "God, I hate the Germans..."
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700

Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html


On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:17:13 +0200, in de.soc.politik.misc Micha
 wrote:

"God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his 
wife in September, 1944)

First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German 
soldier who survived through the battles of World II. You were not 
really politically involved, and your parents were also indifferent to 
politics, but suddenly your education was interrupted and you were 
drafted into the German army and told where to fight. Now, in the Spring 
of 1945, you see that your country has been demolished by the Allies, 
your cities lie in ruins, and half of your family has been killed or is 
missing. Now, your unit is being surrounded, and it is finally time to 
surrender. The fact is, there is no other choice.

It has been a long, cold winter. The German army rations have not been 
all that good, but you managed to survive. Spring came late that year, 
with weeks of cold rainy weather in demolished Europe. Your boots are 
tattered, your uniform is falling apart, and the stress of surrender and 
the confusion that lies ahead for you has your guts being torn out. Now, 
it is over, you must surrender or be shot. This is war and the real world.

You are taken as a German Prisoner of War into American hands. The 
Americans had 200 such Prisoner of War camps scattered across Germany. 
You are marched to a compound surrounded with barbed wire fences as far 
as the eye can see. Thousands upon thousands of your fellow German 
soldiers are already in this make-shift corral. You see no evidence of a 
latrine and after three hours of marching through the mud of the spring 
rain, the comfort of a latrine is upper-most in your mind. You are 
driven through the heavily guarded gate and find yourself free to move 
about, and you begin the futile search for the latrine. Finally, you ask 
for directions, and are informed that no such luxury exists.

No more time. You find a place and squat. First you were exhausted, then 
hungry, then fearful, and now; dirty. Hundreds more German prisoners are 
behind you, pushing you on, jamming you together and every one of them 
searching for the latrine as soon as they could do so. Now, late in the 
day, there is no space to even squat, much less sit down to rest your 
weary legs. None of the prisoners, you quickly learn, have had any food 
that day, in fact there was no food while in the American hands that any 
surviving prisoner can testify to. No one has eaten any food for weeks, 
and they are slowly starving and dying. But, they can't do this to us! 
There are the Geneva Convention rules for the treatment of Prisoners of 
War. There must be some mistake! Hope continues through the night, with 
no shelter from the cold, biting rain.

Your uniform is sopping wet, and formerly brave soldiers are weeping all 
around you, as buddy after buddy dies from the lack of food, water, 
sleep and shelter from the weather. After weeks of this, your own hope 
bleeds off into despair, and finally you actually begin to envy those 
who, having surrendered first manhood and then dignity, now also 
surrender life itself. More hopeless weeks go by. Finally, the last 
thing you remember is falling, unable to get up, and lying face down in 
the mud mixed with the excrement of those who have gone before.

Your body will be picked up long after it is cold, and taken to a 
special tent where your clothing is stripped off. So that you will be 
quickly forgotten, and never again identified, your dog-tag is snipped 
in half and your body along with those of your fellow soldiers are 
covered with chemicals for rapid decomposition and buried. You were not 
one of the exceptions, for more than one million seven hundred thousand 
German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination 
by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General 
Dwight David Eisenhower.

One month before the end of World War 11, General Eisenhower issued 
special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific 
in the language of those orders was this statement,

"Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts."

Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the 
Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the 
entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.

Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi 
Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE 
HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy 
as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many 
prisoners of war as possible.

Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an 
order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that 
date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as "Disarmed Enemy 
Forces" called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans 
did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any 
water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the 
camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or 
jurisdiction.

Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower's special German 
DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but 
denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General 
George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves 
and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and 
issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF 
camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders 
were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton's untimely and 
curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these 
wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.

The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way into the hands of a Canadian news 
reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research 
through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on 
September 12,1989 the following, in part:

"...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war 
criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in 
peace than were killed in the European Theater."

"For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW's on the 
Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply ... Witnesses and survivors 
have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the 
American camps to Buchenwald."

It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and 
medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and 
intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due 
to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, 
were denied. General Patton's Third Army was the only command in the 
European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans.

Others, such as Omar Bradley and General J.C.H. Lee, Commander of Com Z, 
tried, and ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war's 
end. However, a SHAEF Order, signed by Eisenhower, countermanded them on 
May 15th.

Does that make you angry? What will it take to get the average apathetic 
American involved in saving his country from such traitors at the top? 
Thirty years ago, amid the high popularity of Eisenhower, a book was 
written setting out the political and moral philosophy; of Dwight David 
Eisenhower called, THE POLITICIAN, by Robert Welch. This year is the 
107th Anniversary of Eisenhower's birth in Denison, Texas on October 14, 
1890, the son of Jacob David Eisenhower and his wife Ida. Everyone is 
all excited about the celebration of this landmark in the history of 
"this American patriot." Senator Robert Dole, in honor of the Commander 
of the American Death Camps, proposed that Washington's Dulles Airport 
be renamed the Eisenhower Airport!

The UNITED STATES MINT in Philadelphia, PA is actually issuing a special 
Eisenhower Centennial Silver Dollar for only $25 each. They will only 
mint 4 million of these collector's items, and veteran's magazines are 
promoting these coins under the slogan, "Remember the Man...Remember the 
Times..." Pardon me if I regurgitate!

There will be some veterans who will not be buying these coins. Two will 
be Col. James Mason and Col. Charles Beasley who were in the U.S. Army 
Medical Corps who published a paper on the Eisenhower Death Camps in 
1950. They stated in part:

"Huddled close together for warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most 
awesome sight; nearly 100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt, 
blank-staring men clad in dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep 
in mud ... water was a major problem, yet only 200 yards away the River 
Rhine was running bank-full."

Another Veteran, who will not be buying any of the Eisenhower Silver 
Dollars is Martin Brech of Mahopac, New York, a semi-retired professor 
of philosophy at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, NY. In 1945, Brech was an 
18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry, 
assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at 
Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated for SPOTLIGHT, February 12, 
1990:

"My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF'S) were met with 
hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them 
over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our 
deliberate policy not to adequately feed them."

"When they caught me throwing C- Rations over the fence, they threatened 
me with imprisonment. One Captain told me that he would shoot me if he 
saw me again tossing food to the Germans ... Some of the men were really 
only boys 13 years of age...Some of the prisoners were old men drafted 
by Hitler in his last ditch stand ... I understand that average weight 
of the prisoners at Andernach was 90 pounds...I have received threats 
... Nevertheless, this...has liberated me, for I may now be heard when I 
relate the horrible atrocity I witnessed as a prison guard for one of 
'Ike's death camps' along the Rhine." (Betty Lou Smith Hanson)

Note: Remember the photo of Ike's West Point yearbook picture when he 
was dubbed "IKE, THE TERRIBLE SWEDISH JEW"? By the way, he was next, or 
nearly so, to the last in his class. This article was first printed in 
1990, but we thought it was meaningful to reprint it now.

Note: During Cadet Eisenhower's time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower 
was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed 
questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet's blood 
to insure White racial integrity.

Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower's racial lineage and this 
was brought to Eisenhower's attention by the headmaster. When asked if 
he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some 
discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster 
then reportedly said, "That's where you get your Oriental blood?" 
Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since 
this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the 
academy. Note - The issue of Eisenhower's little-known Jewish background 
in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of 
German men, women and children.

Later, in Eisenhower's West Point Military Academy graduating class 
yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a "terrible 
Swedish Jew."

Wherever Eisenhower went during his military career, Eisenhower's Jewish 
background and secondary manifesting behavior was a concern to his 
fellow officers. During World War II when Col. Eisenhower was working 
for Gen. Douglas MacArthur in the South Pacific, MacArthur protested to 
his superiors in Washington (DC) that Eisenhower was incompetent and 
that he did not want Eisenhower on his staff.

In 1943, Washington not only transferred Col. Eisenhower to Europe but 
promoted him over more than 30 more experienced senior officers to five 
star general and placed him in charge of all the US forces in Europe.

Thus it comes as no surprise that General George Patton, a real Aryan 
warrior, hated Eisenhower.

[Ed: Patton was keen to fight the Soviets, and reportedly kept some 
German units ready to move against the Soviets...unsurprisingly he was 
killed; after the war, in a 'car crash,' just like Lawrence of Arabia 
was conveniently bumped off, in a similar manner, for his 'pro-fascist' 
views].


Comment
 From George
12-28-3


Finally, the truth about Ike. He was a zionist!, a racist! and a 
slaughterer of innocents! He was always these things. And all anyone 
remembers is his famous quote "to beware of the military/industrial 
complex." Like this knowledge means he was a great precient prophet, 
when he was really a part of the NWO and helped set the US up for all 
that followed. The tooling jobs and industry started to leave the US in 
the early '50's, when Ike got into power. It was Japan they were 
building. Notice the difference between the destruction of Japan and the 
quick buildup of the Philipines and Japan and the Pacific the US took 
over, after the war of hegemony to steal the wealth of the Pacific Rim 
and present day Afghanistan, Iraq etc., now that the zionists rule the 
'world'. The zionist essence is evil, destructive and self-destructive. 
Ike was a tool of the zionist evil essence.


German POW's Diary Reveals More Of Ike's Holocaust
12-29-3

Note - The following diary extract has been provided by the nephew of 
the author under the conditions we honor his request for anonymity. -ed

A transcript of my Uncle's words...from my Mother's diary:

"Suddenly an American Jeep moved towards us and several American 
Soldiers surrounded us. There was no officer in charge, and the first 
thing the 'Amis' did - they liberated us, I mean, from our few 
valuables, mainly rings and watches........ We were now prisoners of 
war- no doubt about it!

The first night we were herded into a barn, where we met about 100 men 
who shared the same fate. To make my story short, we were finally 
transported to Fuerstenfeldbruck near Munich. Here we, who were gathered 
around Hermann, interrupted him and gasped in dismay.

Fuerstenfeldbruck had become known to us as one of the most cruel POW 
camps in the American zone.

Then my brother continued:

Again we were searched and had to surrender everything, even our field 
utensils, except a spoon. Here, in freezing temperature, 20,000 of us 
were squeezed together on the naked ground, without blanket or cover, 
exposed day and night to the winter weather.

For six days we received neither food nor water! We used our spoons to 
catch drops of rain.

We were surrounded by heavy tanks. During the night bright searchlights 
blinded us, so that sleep was impossible. We napped from time to time, 
standing up and leaning against each other. It was keeping us warmer 
that sitting on the frozen ground.

Many of us were near collapse. One of our comrades went mad, he jumped 
around wildly, wailing and whimpering. he was shot at once. His body was 
lying on the ground, and we were not allowed to come near him. He was 
not he only one. Each suspicious movement caused the guards to shoot 
into the crowd, and a few were always hit.

German civilians, mainly women of the surrounding villages, tried to 
approach the camp to bring food and water for us prisoners. they were 
chased away.

Our German officers could finally succeed to submit an official protest, 
particularly because of the deprivation of water. As a response, a fire 
hose was thrown into the midst of the densely crowded prisoners and then 
turned on. Because of the high water pressure the hose moved violently 
to and fro. Prisoners tumbled, fell, got up and ran again to catch a bit 
of water. In that confusion the water went to waste, and the ground 
under us turned into slippery mud. All the while the 'Amis' watched that 
spectacle, finding it very funny and most entertaining. They laughed at 
our predicament as hard as they could. Then suddenly, they turned the 
water off again.

We had not expected that the Americans would behave in such a manner. We 
could hardly believe it. War brutalizes human beings.

One day later we were organized into groups of 400 men .... We were to 
receive two cans of food for each man. This is how it was to be done: 
The prisoners had to run through he slippery mud, and each one had to 
grab his two cans quickly, at the moment he passed the guards. One of my 
comrades slipped and could not run fast enough, He was shot at once ....

On May 10th , several truckloads of us were transported the the garrison 
of Ulm by the Danube..... As each man jumped into the truck, a guard 
kicked him in the backbone with his rifle butt.

We arrived in the city of Heilbronn by the Neckar, In the end we counted 
240,000 men, who lived on the naked ground and without cover.

Spring and summer were mild this year, but we were starving. At 6;00 am 
we received coffee, at noon about a pint of soup and 100 grams of bread 
a day........

The 'Amis' gave us newspapers in German language, describing the terrors 
of the concentration camps. We did not believe any of it. We figured the 
Americans only wanted to demoralize us further.

The fields on which we lived belonged to the farmers of the area...soon 
nothing of the clover and other sprouting greens were left, and the 
trees were barren. We had eaten each blade of grass.....

In some camps there were Hungarian POW's. 15,000 of them. Mutiny against 
their officers broke out twice amongst them. After the second mutiny the 
Americans decided to use German prisoners to govern the Hungarians. 
Since the Hungarians were used as workers they were well fed. There was 
more food than they could eat. But when the Germans asked the Americans 
for permission to bring the Hungarians' leftovers into the camps of the 
starving Germans, it was denied. The Americans rather destroyed surplus 
food, than giving it to the Germans.

Sometimes it happened that groups of our own men were gathered and 
transported away. We presumed they were discharged to go home, and 
naturally, we wished to be among them. Much later we heard they were 
sent to labor camps! My mother's cousin, feared that he would be drafted 
into the Hitler Youth SS, he volunteered to the marines, in 1945 his 
unit was in Denmark. On April 20th they were captured by the Americans. 
his experience in the POW camp was identical that of my brother's. They 
lived in open fields, did not receive and food and water the first six 
days, and starved nearly to death. German wives and mothers who wanted 
to throw loaves of bread over the fence, were chased off. The prisoners, 
just to have something to chew, scraped the bark from young trees. my 
cousins job was to report each morning how many had died during the 
night. "and these were not just a few!" he adds to his report he wrote me.

It became known, that the conditions in the POW camps in the American 
Zone were identical everywhere. We could therefore safely conclude, that 
it was by intent and by orders from higher ups to starve the German 
POW's and we blamed General Eisenhower for it. He, who was of German 
descent could not discern the evildoers during the Nazi time from our 
decent people. We held that neglect of knowledge and understanding 
severely against him.

I wish to quote the inscription on the grave stones of those of my 
German compatriots who have already passed away:

We had to pass through fire and through water. But now you have loosened 
our bonds.

The Jewish-controlled mass media never stops telling the world about the
six million Jews who died in World War II. While scientific research has now
conclusively disproved that pack of lies,  news of the REAL holocaust - that
of three million Germans AFTER the war's end, is now emerging.


How three million Germans died after VE Day -- Nigel Jones reviews After the
Reich: From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift by Giles
MacDonogh.


Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but
in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest - German history - he
serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly
uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of
Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria.


MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to
the shattered skeleton of Hitler's Reich, but suffering even worse than the
destruction wrought by the war.


His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily
after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before
they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority
of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at
Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands
perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the
Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies.


Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied
countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held
in Russia as late as 1979.


The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and
children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder.

Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman
unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most
shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh - for the first time in English - is
the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful
Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and
shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes.
Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old
German communities were brutally expunged.

Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their
noses, it may be asked why the western Allies did not stop this venting of
long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly) innocent. MacDonogh's answer is that it
could all have been even worse. The US Treasury Secretary, the Jew Henry
Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were
genocidal schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of
what was left of the bombed-out cities.

It was Realpolitik, not humanitarian concern, that caused a swift shift in
western attitudes towards their former foes. Fear of Communism spreading
into the heart of Europe, and the barbarities of the Russians - who
kidnapped and killed hundreds of their perceived enemies from the western
zones of Berlin and Vienna - belatedly made the West realise that they had
beaten one totalitarian power only to be threatened by another.

Although MacDonogh roundly condemns all the occupying powers, the British
emerge with some credit. Apart from one Air Marshal who looted art
treasures; and an MI5 interrogator nicknamed 'Tin Eye' Stephens who ran a
private torture chamber, British hands may have been grubby, but were not
deeply blood-stained.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/15/bomac14.xml



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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:47:35 +0100, Matthias Kern 
wrote:
>Ned Kelly  schrieb:

>> Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of More Than 1.7 Million
>> Germans No wonder Germans do not want to support Bush!

>[x] You have passed the idiots test by posting in 7 newsgroups, please
>follow up to alt.idiots

If an ISP permits up to 9 newsgroups, then one should use it.

Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of More Than 1.7 Million Germans
No wonder Germans do not want to support Bush!

From: "Neil Harrington" 
Subject: Eisenhower's death camps - with photos
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:34:57 -0500

Links to photographs of the relevant pages of Saturday Night magazine, 
September 1989, can be found here:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Eisenhower-death-camps.html

The article, "Eisenhower's Death Camps: The last dirty secret of World War 
Two," includes some photos of the camps.

The author, James Bacque, later expanded this to a book entitled "Other 
Losses." 


From: J Young 
Subject: Eisenhower's Holocaust ......  "God, I hate the Germans..."
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700

Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html


On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:17:13 +0200, in de.soc.politik.misc Micha
 wrote:

"God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his 
wife in September, 1944)

First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German 
soldier who survived through the battles of World II. You were not 
really politically involved, and your parents were also indifferent to 
politics, but suddenly your education was interrupted and you were 
drafted into the German army and told where to fight. Now, in the Spring 
of 1945, you see that your country has been demolished by the Allies, 
your cities lie in ruins, and half of your family has been killed or is 
missing. Now, your unit is being surrounded, and it is finally time to 
surrender. The fact is, there is no other choice.

It has been a long, cold winter. The German army rations have not been 
all that good, but you managed to survive. Spring came late that year, 
with weeks of cold rainy weather in demolished Europe. Your boots are 
tattered, your uniform is falling apart, and the stress of surrender and 
the confusion that lies ahead for you has your guts being torn out. Now, 
it is over, you must surrender or be shot. This is war and the real world.

You are taken as a German Prisoner of War into American hands. The 
Americans had 200 such Prisoner of War camps scattered across Germany. 
You are marched to a compound surrounded with barbed wire fences as far 
as the eye can see. Thousands upon thousands of your fellow German 
soldiers are already in this make-shift corral. You see no evidence of a 
latrine and after three hours of marching through the mud of the spring 
rain, the comfort of a latrine is upper-most in your mind. You are 
driven through the heavily guarded gate and find yourself free to move 
about, and you begin the futile search for the latrine. Finally, you ask 
for directions, and are informed that no such luxury exists.

No more time. You find a place and squat. First you were exhausted, then 
hungry, then fearful, and now; dirty. Hundreds more German prisoners are 
behind you, pushing you on, jamming you together and every one of them 
searching for the latrine as soon as they could do so. Now, late in the 
day, there is no space to even squat, much less sit down to rest your 
weary legs. None of the prisoners, you quickly learn, have had any food 
that day, in fact there was no food while in the American hands that any 
surviving prisoner can testify to. No one has eaten any food for weeks, 
and they are slowly starving and dying. But, they can't do this to us! 
There are the Geneva Convention rules for the treatment of Prisoners of 
War. There must be some mistake! Hope continues through the night, with 
no shelter from the cold, biting rain.

Your uniform is sopping wet, and formerly brave soldiers are weeping all 
around you, as buddy after buddy dies from the lack of food, water, 
sleep and shelter from the weather. After weeks of this, your own hope 
bleeds off into despair, and finally you actually begin to envy those 
who, having surrendered first manhood and then dignity, now also 
surrender life itself. More hopeless weeks go by. Finally, the last 
thing you remember is falling, unable to get up, and lying face down in 
the mud mixed with the excrement of those who have gone before.

Your body will be picked up long after it is cold, and taken to a 
special tent where your clothing is stripped off. So that you will be 
quickly forgotten, and never again identified, your dog-tag is snipped 
in half and your body along with those of your fellow soldiers are 
covered with chemicals for rapid decomposition and buried. You were not 
one of the exceptions, for more than one million seven hundred thousand 
German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination 
by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General 
Dwight David Eisenhower.

One month before the end of World War 11, General Eisenhower issued 
special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific 
in the language of those orders was this statement,

"Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts."

Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the 
Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the 
entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.

Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi 
Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE 
HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy 
as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many 
prisoners of war as possible.

Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an 
order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that 
date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as "Disarmed Enemy 
Forces" called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans 
did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any 
water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the 
camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or 
jurisdiction.

Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower's special German 
DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but 
denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General 
George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves 
and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and 
issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF 
camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders 
were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton's untimely and 
curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these 
wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.

The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way into the hands of a Canadian news 
reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research 
through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on 
September 12,1989 the following, in part:

"...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war 
criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in 
peace than were killed in the European Theater."

"For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW's on the 
Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply ... Witnesses and survivors 
have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the 
American camps to Buchenwald."

It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and 
medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and 
intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due 
to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, 
were denied. General Patton's Third Army was the only command in the 
European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans.

Others, such as Omar Bradley and General J.C.H. Lee, Commander of Com Z, 
tried, and ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war's 
end. However, a SHAEF Order, signed by Eisenhower, countermanded them on 
May 15th.

Does that make you angry? What will it take to get the average apathetic 
American involved in saving his country from such traitors at the top? 
Thirty years ago, amid the high popularity of Eisenhower, a book was 
written setting out the political and moral philosophy; of Dwight David 
Eisenhower called, THE POLITICIAN, by Robert Welch. This year is the 
107th Anniversary of Eisenhower's birth in Denison, Texas on October 14, 
1890, the son of Jacob David Eisenhower and his wife Ida. Everyone is 
all excited about the celebration of this landmark in the history of 
"this American patriot." Senator Robert Dole, in honor of the Commander 
of the American Death Camps, proposed that Washington's Dulles Airport 
be renamed the Eisenhower Airport!

The UNITED STATES MINT in Philadelphia, PA is actually issuing a special 
Eisenhower Centennial Silver Dollar for only $25 each. They will only 
mint 4 million of these collector's items, and veteran's magazines are 
promoting these coins under the slogan, "Remember the Man...Remember the 
Times..." Pardon me if I regurgitate!

There will be some veterans who will not be buying these coins. Two will 
be Col. James Mason and Col. Charles Beasley who were in the U.S. Army 
Medical Corps who published a paper on the Eisenhower Death Camps in 
1950. They stated in part:

"Huddled close together for warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most 
awesome sight; nearly 100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt, 
blank-staring men clad in dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep 
in mud ... water was a major problem, yet only 200 yards away the River 
Rhine was running bank-full."

Another Veteran, who will not be buying any of the Eisenhower Silver 
Dollars is Martin Brech of Mahopac, New York, a semi-retired professor 
of philosophy at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, NY. In 1945, Brech was an 
18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry, 
assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at 
Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated for SPOTLIGHT, February 12, 
1990:

"My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF'S) were met with 
hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them 
over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our 
deliberate policy not to adequately feed them."

"When they caught me throwing C- Rations over the fence, they threatened 
me with imprisonment. One Captain told me that he would shoot me if he 
saw me again tossing food to the Germans ... Some of the men were really 
only boys 13 years of age...Some of the prisoners were old men drafted 
by Hitler in his last ditch stand ... I understand that average weight 
of the prisoners at Andernach was 90 pounds...I have received threats 
... Nevertheless, this...has liberated me, for I may now be heard when I 
relate the horrible atrocity I witnessed as a prison guard for one of 
'Ike's death camps' along the Rhine." (Betty Lou Smith Hanson)

Note: Remember the photo of Ike's West Point yearbook picture when he 
was dubbed "IKE, THE TERRIBLE SWEDISH JEW"? By the way, he was next, or 
nearly so, to the last in his class. This article was first printed in 
1990, but we thought it was meaningful to reprint it now.

Note: During Cadet Eisenhower's time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower 
was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed 
questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet's blood 
to insure White racial integrity.

Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower's racial lineage and this 
was brought to Eisenhower's attention by the headmaster. When asked if 
he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some 
discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster 
then reportedly said, "That's where you get your Oriental blood?" 
Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since 
this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the 
academy. Note - The issue of Eisenhower's little-known Jewish background 
in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of 
German men, women and children.

Later, in Eisenhower's West Point Military Academy graduating class 
yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a "terrible 
Swedish Jew."

Wherever Eisenhower went during his military career, Eisenhower's Jewish 
background and secondary manifesting behavior was a concern to his 
fellow officers. During World War II when Col. Eisenhower was working 
for Gen. Douglas MacArthur in the South Pacific, MacArthur protested to 
his superiors in Washington (DC) that Eisenhower was incompetent and 
that he did not want Eisenhower on his staff.

In 1943, Washington not only transferred Col. Eisenhower to Europe but 
promoted him over more than 30 more experienced senior officers to five 
star general and placed him in charge of all the US forces in Europe.

Thus it comes as no surprise that General George Patton, a real Aryan 
warrior, hated Eisenhower.

[Ed: Patton was keen to fight the Soviets, and reportedly kept some 
German units ready to move against the Soviets...unsurprisingly he was 
killed; after the war, in a 'car crash,' just like Lawrence of Arabia 
was conveniently bumped off, in a similar manner, for his 'pro-fascist' 
views].


Comment
 From George
12-28-3


Finally, the truth about Ike. He was a zionist!, a racist! and a 
slaughterer of innocents! He was always these things. And all anyone 
remembers is his famous quote "to beware of the military/industrial 
complex." Like this knowledge means he was a great precient prophet, 
when he was really a part of the NWO and helped set the US up for all 
that followed. The tooling jobs and industry started to leave the US in 
the early '50's, when Ike got into power. It was Japan they were 
building. Notice the difference between the destruction of Japan and the 
quick buildup of the Philipines and Japan and the Pacific the US took 
over, after the war of hegemony to steal the wealth of the Pacific Rim 
and present day Afghanistan, Iraq etc., now that the zionists rule the 
'world'. The zionist essence is evil, destructive and self-destructive. 
Ike was a tool of the zionist evil essence.


German POW's Diary Reveals More Of Ike's Holocaust
12-29-3

Note - The following diary extract has been provided by the nephew of 
the author under the conditions we honor his request for anonymity. -ed

A transcript of my Uncle's words...from my Mother's diary:

"Suddenly an American Jeep moved towards us and several American 
Soldiers surrounded us. There was no officer in charge, and the first 
thing the 'Amis' did - they liberated us, I mean, from our few 
valuables, mainly rings and watches........ We were now prisoners of 
war- no doubt about it!

The first night we were herded into a barn, where we met about 100 men 
who shared the same fate. To make my story short, we were finally 
transported to Fuerstenfeldbruck near Munich. Here we, who were gathered 
around Hermann, interrupted him and gasped in dismay.

Fuerstenfeldbruck had become known to us as one of the most cruel POW 
camps in the American zone.

Then my brother continued:

Again we were searched and had to surrender everything, even our field 
utensils, except a spoon. Here, in freezing temperature, 20,000 of us 
were squeezed together on the naked ground, without blanket or cover, 
exposed day and night to the winter weather.

For six days we received neither food nor water! We used our spoons to 
catch drops of rain.

We were surrounded by heavy tanks. During the night bright searchlights 
blinded us, so that sleep was impossible. We napped from time to time, 
standing up and leaning against each other. It was keeping us warmer 
that sitting on the frozen ground.

Many of us were near collapse. One of our comrades went mad, he jumped 
around wildly, wailing and whimpering. he was shot at once. His body was 
lying on the ground, and we were not allowed to come near him. He was 
not he only one. Each suspicious movement caused the guards to shoot 
into the crowd, and a few were always hit.

German civilians, mainly women of the surrounding villages, tried to 
approach the camp to bring food and water for us prisoners. they were 
chased away.

Our German officers could finally succeed to submit an official protest, 
particularly because of the deprivation of water. As a response, a fire 
hose was thrown into the midst of the densely crowded prisoners and then 
turned on. Because of the high water pressure the hose moved violently 
to and fro. Prisoners tumbled, fell, got up and ran again to catch a bit 
of water. In that confusion the water went to waste, and the ground 
under us turned into slippery mud. All the while the 'Amis' watched that 
spectacle, finding it very funny and most entertaining. They laughed at 
our predicament as hard as they could. Then suddenly, they turned the 
water off again.

We had not expected that the Americans would behave in such a manner. We 
could hardly believe it. War brutalizes human beings.

One day later we were organized into groups of 400 men .... We were to 
receive two cans of food for each man. This is how it was to be done: 
The prisoners had to run through he slippery mud, and each one had to 
grab his two cans quickly, at the moment he passed the guards. One of my 
comrades slipped and could not run fast enough, He was shot at once ....

On May 10th , several truckloads of us were transported the the garrison 
of Ulm by the Danube..... As each man jumped into the truck, a guard 
kicked him in the backbone with his rifle butt.

We arrived in the city of Heilbronn by the Neckar, In the end we counted 
240,000 men, who lived on the naked ground and without cover.

Spring and summer were mild this year, but we were starving. At 6;00 am 
we received coffee, at noon about a pint of soup and 100 grams of bread 
a day........

The 'Amis' gave us newspapers in German language, describing the terrors 
of the concentration camps. We did not believe any of it. We figured the 
Americans only wanted to demoralize us further.

The fields on which we lived belonged to the farmers of the area...soon 
nothing of the clover and other sprouting greens were left, and the 
trees were barren. We had eaten each blade of grass.....

In some camps there were Hungarian POW's. 15,000 of them. Mutiny against 
their officers broke out twice amongst them. After the second mutiny the 
Americans decided to use German prisoners to govern the Hungarians. 
Since the Hungarians were used as workers they were well fed. There was 
more food than they could eat. But when the Germans asked the Americans 
for permission to bring the Hungarians' leftovers into the camps of the 
starving Germans, it was denied. The Americans rather destroyed surplus 
food, than giving it to the Germans.

Sometimes it happened that groups of our own men were gathered and 
transported away. We presumed they were discharged to go home, and 
naturally, we wished to be among them. Much later we heard they were 
sent to labor camps! My mother's cousin, feared that he would be drafted 
into the Hitler Youth SS, he volunteered to the marines, in 1945 his 
unit was in Denmark. On April 20th they were captured by the Americans. 
his experience in the POW camp was identical that of my brother's. They 
lived in open fields, did not receive and food and water the first six 
days, and starved nearly to death. German wives and mothers who wanted 
to throw loaves of bread over the fence, were chased off. The prisoners, 
just to have something to chew, scraped the bark from young trees. my 
cousins job was to report each morning how many had died during the 
night. "and these were not just a few!" he adds to his report he wrote me.

It became known, that the conditions in the POW camps in the American 
Zone were identical everywhere. We could therefore safely conclude, that 
it was by intent and by orders from higher ups to starve the German 
POW's and we blamed General Eisenhower for it. He, who was of German 
descent could not discern the evildoers during the Nazi time from our 
decent people. We held that neglect of knowledge and understanding 
severely against him.

I wish to quote the inscription on the grave stones of those of my 
German compatriots who have already passed away:

We had to pass through fire and through water. But now you have loosened 
our bonds.

The Jewish-controlled mass media never stops telling the world about the
six million Jews who died in World War II. While scientific research has now
conclusively disproved that pack of lies,  news of the REAL holocaust - that
of three million Germans AFTER the war's end, is now emerging.


How three million Germans died after VE Day -- Nigel Jones reviews After the
Reich: From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift by Giles
MacDonogh.


Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but
in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest - German history - he
serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly
uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of
Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria.


MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to
the shattered skeleton of Hitler's Reich, but suffering even worse than the
destruction wrought by the war.


His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily
after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before
they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority
of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at
Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands
perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the
Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies.


Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied
countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held
in Russia as late as 1979.


The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and
children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder.

Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman
unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most
shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh - for the first time in English - is
the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful
Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and
shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes.
Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old
German communities were brutally expunged.

Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their
noses, it may be asked why the western Allies did not stop this venting of
long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly) innocent. MacDonogh's answer is that it
could all have been even worse. The US Treasury Secretary, the Jew Henry
Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were
genocidal schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of
what was left of the bombed-out cities.

It was Realpolitik, not humanitarian concern, that caused a swift shift in
western attitudes towards their former foes. Fear of Communism spreading
into the heart of Europe, and the barbarities of the Russians - who
kidnapped and killed hundreds of their perceived enemies from the western
zones of Berlin and Vienna - belatedly made the West realise that they had
beaten one totalitarian power only to be threatened by another.

Although MacDonogh roundly condemns all the occupying powers, the British
emerge with some credit. Apart from one Air Marshal who looted art
treasures; and an MI5 interrogator nicknamed 'Tin Eye' Stephens who ran a
private torture chamber, British hands may have been grubby, but were not
deeply blood-stained.

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:47:35 +0100, Matthias Kern 
wrote:
>Ned Kelly  schrieb:

>> Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of More Than 1.7 Million
>> Germans No wonder Germans do not want to support Bush!

>[x] You have passed the idiots test by posting in 7 newsgroups, please
>follow up to alt.idiots

If an ISP permits up to 9 newsgroups, then one should use it.

Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of More Than 1.7 Million Germans
No wonder Germans do not want to support Bush!

From: "Neil Harrington" 
Subject: Eisenhower's death camps - with photos
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:34:57 -0500

Links to photographs of the relevant pages of Saturday Night magazine, 
September 1989, can be found here:

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Eisenhower-death-camps.html

The article, "Eisenhower's Death Camps: The last dirty secret of World War 
Two," includes some photos of the camps.

The author, James Bacque, later expanded this to a book entitled "Other 
Losses." 


From: J Young 
Subject: Eisenhower's Holocaust ......  "God, I hate the Germans..."
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:34 -0700

Unfortunately, the horrors of WWII continued well after May 8, 1945.

http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/eisenhower.html


On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:17:13 +0200, in de.soc.politik.misc Micha
 wrote:

"God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his 
wife in September, 1944)

First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German 
soldier who survived through the battles of World II. You were not 
really politically involved, and your parents were also indifferent to 
politics, but suddenly your education was interrupted and you were 
drafted into the German army and told where to fight. Now, in the Spring 
of 1945, you see that your country has been demolished by the Allies, 
your cities lie in ruins, and half of your family has been killed or is 
missing. Now, your unit is being surrounded, and it is finally time to 
surrender. The fact is, there is no other choice.

It has been a long, cold winter. The German army rations have not been 
all that good, but you managed to survive. Spring came late that year, 
with weeks of cold rainy weather in demolished Europe. Your boots are 
tattered, your uniform is falling apart, and the stress of surrender and 
the confusion that lies ahead for you has your guts being torn out. Now, 
it is over, you must surrender or be shot. This is war and the real world.

You are taken as a German Prisoner of War into American hands. The 
Americans had 200 such Prisoner of War camps scattered across Germany. 
You are marched to a compound surrounded with barbed wire fences as far 
as the eye can see. Thousands upon thousands of your fellow German 
soldiers are already in this make-shift corral. You see no evidence of a 
latrine and after three hours of marching through the mud of the spring 
rain, the comfort of a latrine is upper-most in your mind. You are 
driven through the heavily guarded gate and find yourself free to move 
about, and you begin the futile search for the latrine. Finally, you ask 
for directions, and are informed that no such luxury exists.

No more time. You find a place and squat. First you were exhausted, then 
hungry, then fearful, and now; dirty. Hundreds more German prisoners are 
behind you, pushing you on, jamming you together and every one of them 
searching for the latrine as soon as they could do so. Now, late in the 
day, there is no space to even squat, much less sit down to rest your 
weary legs. None of the prisoners, you quickly learn, have had any food 
that day, in fact there was no food while in the American hands that any 
surviving prisoner can testify to. No one has eaten any food for weeks, 
and they are slowly starving and dying. But, they can't do this to us! 
There are the Geneva Convention rules for the treatment of Prisoners of 
War. There must be some mistake! Hope continues through the night, with 
no shelter from the cold, biting rain.

Your uniform is sopping wet, and formerly brave soldiers are weeping all 
around you, as buddy after buddy dies from the lack of food, water, 
sleep and shelter from the weather. After weeks of this, your own hope 
bleeds off into despair, and finally you actually begin to envy those 
who, having surrendered first manhood and then dignity, now also 
surrender life itself. More hopeless weeks go by. Finally, the last 
thing you remember is falling, unable to get up, and lying face down in 
the mud mixed with the excrement of those who have gone before.

Your body will be picked up long after it is cold, and taken to a 
special tent where your clothing is stripped off. So that you will be 
quickly forgotten, and never again identified, your dog-tag is snipped 
in half and your body along with those of your fellow soldiers are 
covered with chemicals for rapid decomposition and buried. You were not 
one of the exceptions, for more than one million seven hundred thousand 
German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination 
by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General 
Dwight David Eisenhower.

One month before the end of World War 11, General Eisenhower issued 
special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific 
in the language of those orders was this statement,

"Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts."

Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the 
Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the 
entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.

Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi 
Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE 
HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy 
as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many 
prisoners of war as possible.

Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an 
order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that 
date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as "Disarmed Enemy 
Forces" called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans 
did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any 
water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the 
camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or 
jurisdiction.

Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower's special German 
DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but 
denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General 
George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves 
and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and 
issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF 
camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders 
were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton's untimely and 
curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these 
wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.

The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way into the hands of a Canadian news 
reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research 
through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on 
September 12,1989 the following, in part:

"...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war 
criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in 
peace than were killed in the European Theater."

"For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW's on the 
Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply ... Witnesses and survivors 
have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the 
American camps to Buchenwald."

It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and 
medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and 
intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due 
to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, 
were denied. General Patton's Third Army was the only command in the 
European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans.

Others, such as Omar Bradley and General J.C.H. Lee, Commander of Com Z, 
tried, and ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war's 
end. However, a SHAEF Order, signed by Eisenhower, countermanded them on 
May 15th.

Does that make you angry? What will it take to get the average apathetic 
American involved in saving his country from such traitors at the top? 
Thirty years ago, amid the high popularity of Eisenhower, a book was 
written setting out the political and moral philosophy; of Dwight David 
Eisenhower called, THE POLITICIAN, by Robert Welch. This year is the 
107th Anniversary of Eisenhower's birth in Denison, Texas on October 14, 
1890, the son of Jacob David Eisenhower and his wife Ida. Everyone is 
all excited about the celebration of this landmark in the history of 
"this American patriot." Senator Robert Dole, in honor of the Commander 
of the American Death Camps, proposed that Washington's Dulles Airport 
be renamed the Eisenhower Airport!

The UNITED STATES MINT in Philadelphia, PA is actually issuing a special 
Eisenhower Centennial Silver Dollar for only $25 each. They will only 
mint 4 million of these collector's items, and veteran's magazines are 
promoting these coins under the slogan, "Remember the Man...Remember the 
Times..." Pardon me if I regurgitate!

There will be some veterans who will not be buying these coins. Two will 
be Col. James Mason and Col. Charles Beasley who were in the U.S. Army 
Medical Corps who published a paper on the Eisenhower Death Camps in 
1950. They stated in part:

"Huddled close together for warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most 
awesome sight; nearly 100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt, 
blank-staring men clad in dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep 
in mud ... water was a major problem, yet only 200 yards away the River 
Rhine was running bank-full."

Another Veteran, who will not be buying any of the Eisenhower Silver 
Dollars is Martin Brech of Mahopac, New York, a semi-retired professor 
of philosophy at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, NY. In 1945, Brech was an 
18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry, 
assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at 
Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated for SPOTLIGHT, February 12, 
1990:

"My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF'S) were met with 
hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them 
over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our 
deliberate policy not to adequately feed them."

"When they caught me throwing C- Rations over the fence, they threatened 
me with imprisonment. One Captain told me that he would shoot me if he 
saw me again tossing food to the Germans ... Some of the men were really 
only boys 13 years of age...Some of the prisoners were old men drafted 
by Hitler in his last ditch stand ... I understand that average weight 
of the prisoners at Andernach was 90 pounds...I have received threats 
... Nevertheless, this...has liberated me, for I may now be heard when I 
relate the horrible atrocity I witnessed as a prison guard for one of 
'Ike's death camps' along the Rhine." (Betty Lou Smith Hanson)

Note: Remember the photo of Ike's West Point yearbook picture when he 
was dubbed "IKE, THE TERRIBLE SWEDISH JEW"? By the way, he was next, or 
nearly so, to the last in his class. This article was first printed in 
1990, but we thought it was meaningful to reprint it now.

Note: During Cadet Eisenhower's time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower 
was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed 
questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet's blood 
to insure White racial integrity.

Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower's racial lineage and this 
was brought to Eisenhower's attention by the headmaster. When asked if 
he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some 
discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster 
then reportedly said, "That's where you get your Oriental blood?" 
Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since 
this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the 
academy. Note - The issue of Eisenhower's little-known Jewish background 
in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of 
German men, women and children.

Later, in Eisenhower's West Point Military Academy graduating class 
yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a "terrible 
Swedish Jew."

Wherever Eisenhower went during his military career, Eisenhower's Jewish 
background and secondary manifesting behavior was a concern to his 
fellow officers. During World War II when Col. Eisenhower was working 
for Gen. Douglas MacArthur in the South Pacific, MacArthur protested to 
his superiors in Washington (DC) that Eisenhower was incompetent and 
that he did not want Eisenhower on his staff.

In 1943, Washington not only transferred Col. Eisenhower to Europe but 
promoted him over more than 30 more experienced senior officers to five 
star general and placed him in charge of all the US forces in Europe.

Thus it comes as no surprise that General George Patton, a real Aryan 
warrior, hated Eisenhower.

[Ed: Patton was keen to fight the Soviets, and reportedly kept some 
German units ready to move against the Soviets...unsurprisingly he was 
killed; after the war, in a 'car crash,' just like Lawrence of Arabia 
was conveniently bumped off, in a similar manner, for his 'pro-fascist' 
views].


Comment
 From George
12-28-3


Finally, the truth about Ike. He was a zionist!, a racist! and a 
slaughterer of innocents! He was always these things. And all anyone 
remembers is his famous quote "to beware of the military/industrial 
complex." Like this knowledge means he was a great precient prophet, 
when he was really a part of the NWO and helped set the US up for all 
that followed. The tooling jobs and industry started to leave the US in 
the early '50's, when Ike got into power. It was Japan they were 
building. Notice the difference between the destruction of Japan and the 
quick buildup of the Philipines and Japan and the Pacific the US took 
over, after the war of hegemony to steal the wealth of the Pacific Rim 
and present day Afghanistan, Iraq etc., now that the zionists rule the 
'world'. The zionist essence is evil, destructive and self-destructive. 
Ike was a tool of the zionist evil essence.


German POW's Diary Reveals More Of Ike's Holocaust
12-29-3

Note - The following diary extract has been provided by the nephew of 
the author under the conditions we honor his request for anonymity. -ed

A transcript of my Uncle's words...from my Mother's diary:

"Suddenly an American Jeep moved towards us and several American 
Soldiers surrounded us. There was no officer in charge, and the first 
thing the 'Amis' did - they liberated us, I mean, from our few 
valuables, mainly rings and watches........ We were now prisoners of 
war- no doubt about it!

The first night we were herded into a barn, where we met about 100 men 
who shared the same fate. To make my story short, we were finally 
transported to Fuerstenfeldbruck near Munich. Here we, who were gathered 
around Hermann, interrupted him and gasped in dismay.

Fuerstenfeldbruck had become known to us as one of the most cruel POW 
camps in the American zone.

Then my brother continued:

Again we were searched and had to surrender everything, even our field 
utensils, except a spoon. Here, in freezing temperature, 20,000 of us 
were squeezed together on the naked ground, without blanket or cover, 
exposed day and night to the winter weather.

For six days we received neither food nor water! We used our spoons to 
catch drops of rain.

We were surrounded by heavy tanks. During the night bright searchlights 
blinded us, so that sleep was impossible. We napped from time to time, 
standing up and leaning against each other. It was keeping us warmer 
that sitting on the frozen ground.

Many of us were near collapse. One of our comrades went mad, he jumped 
around wildly, wailing and whimpering. he was shot at once. His body was 
lying on the ground, and we were not allowed to come near him. He was 
not he only one. Each suspicious movement caused the guards to shoot 
into the crowd, and a few were always hit.

German civilians, mainly women of the surrounding villages, tried to 
approach the camp to bring food and water for us prisoners. they were 
chased away.

Our German officers could finally succeed to submit an official protest, 
particularly because of the deprivation of water. As a response, a fire 
hose was thrown into the midst of the densely crowded prisoners and then 
turned on. Because of the high water pressure the hose moved violently 
to and fro. Prisoners tumbled, fell, got up and ran again to catch a bit 
of water. In that confusion the water went to waste, and the ground 
under us turned into slippery mud. All the while the 'Amis' watched that 
spectacle, finding it very funny and most entertaining. They laughed at 
our predicament as hard as they could. Then suddenly, they turned the 
water off again.

We had not expected that the Americans would behave in such a manner. We 
could hardly believe it. War brutalizes human beings.

One day later we were organized into groups of 400 men .... We were to 
receive two cans of food for each man. This is how it was to be done: 
The prisoners had to run through he slippery mud, and each one had to 
grab his two cans quickly, at the moment he passed the guards. One of my 
comrades slipped and could not run fast enough, He was shot at once ....

On May 10th , several truckloads of us were transported the the garrison 
of Ulm by the Danube..... As each man jumped into the truck, a guard 
kicked him in the backbone with his rifle butt.

We arrived in the city of Heilbronn by the Neckar, In the end we counted 
240,000 men, who lived on the naked ground and without cover.

Spring and summer were mild this year, but we were starving. At 6;00 am 
we received coffee, at noon about a pint of soup and 100 grams of bread 
a day........

The 'Amis' gave us newspapers in German language, describing the terrors 
of the concentration camps. We did not believe any of it. We figured the 
Americans only wanted to demoralize us further.

The fields on which we lived belonged to the farmers of the area...soon 
nothing of the clover and other sprouting greens were left, and the 
trees were barren. We had eaten each blade of grass.....

In some camps there were Hungarian POW's. 15,000 of them. Mutiny against 
their officers broke out twice amongst them. After the second mutiny the 
Americans decided to use German prisoners to govern the Hungarians. 
Since the Hungarians were used as workers they were well fed. There was 
more food than they could eat. But when the Germans asked the Americans 
for permission to bring the Hungarians' leftovers into the camps of the 
starving Germans, it was denied. The Americans rather destroyed surplus 
food, than giving it to the Germans.

Sometimes it happened that groups of our own men were gathered and 
transported away. We presumed they were discharged to go home, and 
naturally, we wished to be among them. Much later we heard they were 
sent to labor camps! My mother's cousin, feared that he would be drafted 
into the Hitler Youth SS, he volunteered to the marines, in 1945 his 
unit was in Denmark. On April 20th they were captured by the Americans. 
his experience in the POW camp was identical that of my brother's. They 
lived in open fields, did not receive and food and water the first six 
days, and starved nearly to death. German wives and mothers who wanted 
to throw loaves of bread over the fence, were chased off. The prisoners, 
just to have something to chew, scraped the bark from young trees. my 
cousins job was to report each morning how many had died during the 
night. "and these were not just a few!" he adds to his report he wrote me.

It became known, that the conditions in the POW camps in the American 
Zone were identical everywhere. We could therefore safely conclude, that 
it was by intent and by orders from higher ups to starve the German 
POW's and we blamed General Eisenhower for it. He, who was of German 
descent could not discern the evildoers during the Nazi time from our 
decent people. We held that neglect of knowledge and understanding 
severely against him.

I wish to quote the inscription on the grave stones of those of my 
German compatriots who have already passed away:

We had to pass through fire and through water. But now you have loosened 
our bonds.

The Jewish-controlled mass media never stops telling the world about the
six million Jews who died in World War II. While scientific research has now
conclusively disproved that pack of lies,  news of the REAL holocaust - that
of three million Germans AFTER the war's end, is now emerging.


How three million Germans died after VE Day -- Nigel Jones reviews After the
Reich: From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift by Giles
MacDonogh.


Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but
in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest - German history - he
serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly
uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of
Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria.


MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to
the shattered skeleton of Hitler's Reich, but suffering even worse than the
destruction wrought by the war.


His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily
after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before
they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority
of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at
Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands
perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the
Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies.


Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied
countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held
in Russia as late as 1979.


The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and
children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder.

Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman
unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most
shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh - for the first time in English - is
the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful
Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and
shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes.
Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old
German communities were brutally expunged.

Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their
noses, it may be asked why the western Allies did not stop this venting of
long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly) innocent. MacDonogh's answer is that it
could all have been even worse. The US Treasury Secretary, the Jew Henry
Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were
genocidal schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of
what was left of the bombed-out cities.

It was Realpolitik, not humanitarian concern, that caused a swift shift in
western attitudes towards their former foes. Fear of Communism spreading
into the heart of Europe, and the barbarities of the Russians - who
kidnapped and killed hundreds of their perceived enemies from the western
zones of Berlin and Vienna - belatedly made the West realise that they had
beaten one totalitarian power only to be threatened by another.

Although MacDonogh roundly condemns all the occupying powers, the British
emerge with some credit. Apart from one Air Marshal who looted art
treasures; and an MI5 interrogator nicknamed 'Tin Eye' Stephens who ran a
private torture chamber, British hands may have been grubby, but were not
deeply blood-stained.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/15/bomac14.xml



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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, "Georgio Salavantinizi"
 wrote:

>Can't people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that 
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from 
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist 
>Nazi party.

>It's back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are 
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just 
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!


>"Marek Maciej Ziemba"  wrote in message 
>news:cfa6c52b4528b0b915763ae35ae23915@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's  Italy.
>>>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of 'nationality'
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own'
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5                           The Kastner Case
>> ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
>> for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>> still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>> collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price...was not too high for me.
>>
>> "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...
>>
>> "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal...
>> 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>> this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment."

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> nord@powernetonline.com

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> 'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>> ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> ----------------
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> "Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> 'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>> keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>> group here'.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd'.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ------------
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> "The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another."
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> 'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> "From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> 'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> "Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements." (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> -------------
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> "All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> "Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> "The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>> "If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma'ariv*:
>> "What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>> rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> -------------------------
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> 'collaboration'.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> "...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree'.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
>> one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger....
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> --------------------------
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> "I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others....
>>
>> an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.'
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith...
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>> - nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> -----------
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> 'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships'.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> 'now dead'.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Elias Davidsson - Oldugata 50 - 101 Reykjavik - Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: edavid@itn.is     URL:  http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

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22.1.2001

DIE MACHT DER GLOBALEN JUDEN-MAFIA

Pardon, was wir genau sagen wollten ist DROGEN-, WAFFEN-,
PORNO-  und ABZOCKMAFIA.

Waehrend heutzutage rechte und braune Furze weltweit auf
den Titelseiten der Freimaurerpresse Schlagzeilen
machen, werden andere Meldungen - die tatsaechlich
veruebten Verbrechen der Globalisten und Juden betreffend,
bestenfalls als Minimeldung auf der Chronikseite gebracht.

Der freimaurerisch-judea kontrollierten Medien-Mafia ist
es z.B. gelungen einen blutigen Massenmord und
Massenvergewaltigung in Wichita (USA) an 5 Weisse
durch zwei Neger voellig zu unterdruecken.
Wird jedoch einem Nigger-Drogendealer in Deutschland
auch nur ein Haar gekruemmt, gibt es sofort in allen Medien
einen Proteststurm, Kerzerlmaersche  und alle irren
Gruen-Bolschewisten weltweit beginnen schlagartig mit
Lichterketten, Sanktionen und sonstigen Unsinn.

Ein weiteres Beispiel fuer die Macht der Juden-Mafia:
Aus Mexiko wurde heute gemeldet, dass der Ober-Pate
und einer der maechtigsten mexikanischen Drogenbosse,
der Jude Joaquin Guzman aus einem luxurioesen
"Hochsicherheitsgefaengnis" offenbar problemlos
entfliehen konnte. Wie das?

Der Direktor dieses noblen "Etablishments" und weitere
30 Waerter (!) wurden als mutmassliche Fluchthelfer
verhaftet.  Eine reine Alibihandlung, denn welcher
Richter oder Polizist dem seine Karriere, sein Leben
oder/und Familie lieb und wert ist, wird der
"Ueberredungskunst" oder/und Scheck eines Mosche
Rothschild oder Sharon Feigenbaum einen Widerstand
entgegensetzen?

Beweis: Die russisch-juedischen Pornohersteller in Moskau,
die zwar pro Forma verhaftet wurden, aber nach drei Tagen
schon wieder ihren Geschaeften im Internet nachgehen konnten.
In russischen Gefaengnissen gibt es offenbar kein koscheres
Essen und keine Synagoge. Das Verbrechen dieser
beschnittenen Ratten aus der ostjuedischen Khasarengosse:
Vor laufender Videokamera wurde Babys zu Tode vergewaltigt
und diese Videos mit horrenden Profiten verkauft, im
Internet angeboten und Teilausschnitte davon (dank
einem juedischen TV-Boss) im italienischen Fernsehen
gezeigt.  Eindeutig ein Fall fuer unsere Politiker
auch diese Art von Kulturbereicherung zu foerdern.

Da fast alle globalen Top-Verbrecher und Mafiosi
(egal ob Drogen, Menschen- oder Waffenschoieber oder
Pornokoenige) dieser Erde aus dem auserwaehlten Volk
Gottes stammen, besitzen sie zumeist auch eine israelische
Staatsbuergerschaft. Oder sie geben mitunter auch
vor, Jude zu sein.  Wohl wissend, dass Israel nicht
nur der groesste  antisemitische und rassistische
Killerstaat der Erde ist, sondern auch das Paradies
fuer jede Art von Dieben, Betrueger, Schwindler,
Spekulanten, Kriegsverbrecher,  Holocaust-Luegner
und auch Massenmoerder ist.

Grund genug fuer den oesterreichischen Bundeskanzler
Wolfgang Schuessel und Co. dieses dekadente Volk von
Ganoven und  Banditen und ihre menschenrechtswidrigen
Verbrechen (3 Millionen Semiten aus ihrer Heimat vertrieben,
hunderte Tote in wenigen Monaten) mit weiteren
Milliardenbetraegen zu finanzieren. Die Ausbeute
des von "Jahwe auserwaehlten Volk" fuer nur 12 Monate
Erpressung kann sich sehen lassen: 15 Mrd. AS die man
dem Volk und der Wirtschaft frech aus der Tasche stiehlt.

Sei's wie sei, Oesterreich ist nicht das einizige Opfer
dieser Parasiten, denn auch andere Laender werden von
diesen genetisch kaputten Blutegeln zu Kasse gebeten -
und von der Presse tunlichst verheimlicht.

Mit rund 100 Millionen US$ wird auch Frankreich zur
Kasse gebeten. Geld bekommen auch jene Nachkommen
und Kinder die nur GLAUBEN, dass ihrer Eltern ein Konto
bei einer Bank oder Versicherung hatten. Beweisen
muessen sie als Juden nichts.

Mit rund 4,4 Milliarden wird Deutschland zur Kasse
gebeten. Oder hat man das schon wieder vergessen?
Das inkludiert selbstverstaendlich nicht die laufenden
Geschenke wie zum Beispiel hochmoderne Atom U-Boote.
(damit die Israelis weltweit unbemerkt ihre Bio-Chemischen
voelkervernichtenden Waffen abfeuern koennen)

Und diese Summen inkludieren aber keine Sonderleistungen
wie  bezahlte Urlaubsreisen in Luxushotels, Schulen, Synagogen,
und die Pflege der juedischen Friedhoefe bzw.
"Holocaustdenkmaeler" (in Berlin alleine fast 500 und
weltweit werden es sicher bei 10.000 sein).

Und diese Liste des Horrors laesst sich fast endlos fortsetzen.
Nur von den Eskimos am Nordpol, den Buschnegern
Zentralafrikas oder den Kannibalen Borneos wurden
noch keine "Wiedergutmachungen" und "Entschuldigungen"
(spricht Kniefall und Fuesse kuessen) verlangt. Kein Land
der Welt kann heute mehr sicher sein, nicht in den Zangengriff
dieser beschnittenen Raubritter zu gelangen.

Man schaetzt, 300-400 Milliarden US$ an Mafia-Schutzgelder
wurden seit 1948 mit Hilfe der Holocaust-Keule
und Gaskammerschwindel an die Juden bezahlt. Und dieser
Betrag ist sicher nicht zu hoch gegriffen. Wieviele Milliarden
davon allerdings in den Aufbau und Erhalt des organisierten
Verbrechens geflossen sind, kann nur geschaetzt werden.



I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
I like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, PAMYAT, HAMAS or Aryan Nations,etc.

CALL late nights best, or even VISIT me:
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alternate

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108 E. Victory Street
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Posted courtesy of : Paul Kneisel, who likes late
night discussions, even from Christian Identity,
Pamyat, Aryan Nations, Stormfront, HAMAS, etc.
I am together with McVay and L.Schiff,
regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


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Or, VISIT at:
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As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
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also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?

http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg


Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to work:(780)492-0473


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
National Alliance - www.natvan.com
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natvan.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org


As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay. May he rot in hell.



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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:28:17 +0200, Carla Schneider 
wrote:
>Ulrich Heymach wrote:
>> Carla Schneider schrieb:

>> > Des Krieges der dem Deutschen Volk von den Siegermaechten des
>> > ersten Weltkrieges aufgezwungen wurde, nachdem Deutschland den
>> > Versailler Vertrag nicht mehr erfuellte.
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjMqw1-hdYE&mode=related&search=
>Wecker sagt nein zur Verfassungsschutzpartei .
>Was nutzt uns das hier ?
>Dir ist doch mehr nach diesem hier:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAh5mfkuAXk
>Oder etwas moderner:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLVMvwptPkY

Etwas klarer:
Harris - Heydrich: Ein Unterschied? 

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:19:36 +0100, in de.soc.politik.misc Werner Schneider
 wrote:

Nein.

Begründung:

1) Harris wollte soviele Deutsche wie möglich umbringen
lassen, Heydrich soviele Juden wie möglich.

2) Heydrich wollte natürlich auch die jüdische Kultur mit
allem, was dazu gehört, beseitigen. Harris liess bevorzugt
deutsche Innenstädte bombardieren, um soviel deutsche Kultur
wie möglich zu zerstören.

3) Grossbritannien führte gegen das Deutsche Reich einen
selbst erklärten Krieg, dessen Bestandteil "Luftkrieg" mit
grösstmöglicher Grausamkeit geführt wurde. Auch jeder deutsche
Zivilist war Angriffsziel. Für die Nazis waren die Juden
schlechthin Angriffsziel. Es fehlte bei beiden jegliche
Differenzierung nach gut und schlecht, nach erlaubt und
nicht erlaubt. Erlaubt war alles. Sowohl hier wie da.

4) Die Briten gaben und geben vor, gegen ein Verbrecher-
Regime zu kämpfen bzw. gekämpft zu haben und nutzen dieses
Argument als Begründung für ihre brutale Luftkriegsführung.
Es zieht allerdings nicht. Wie kann man 500.000 Zivilisten
töten und sich dann die Hände in Unschuld waschen? Auch
den 500.000 wurde ein Holocaust bereitet. Wenn Harris
gekonnt hätte, wären ihm auch 6 Millionen Recht gewesen.

5) Verbrechen sind Verbrechen, egal, wie man sie begründet.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

6) Worin unterscheiden sich also Harris und Heydrich:
Für Harris wurde in London ein Denkmal errichtet.

Werner


On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:19:36 +0100, in de.soc.politik.misc Werner Schneider
 wrote:

Nein.

Begründung:

1) Harris wollte soviele Deutsche wie möglich umbringen
lassen, Heydrich soviele Juden wie möglich.

2) Heydrich wollte natürlich auch die jüdische Kultur mit
allem, was dazu gehört, beseitigen. Harris liess bevorzugt
deutsche Innenstädte bombardieren, um soviel deutsche Kultur
wie möglich zu zerstören.

3) Grossbritannien führte gegen das Deutsche Reich einen
selbst erklärten Krieg, dessen Bestandteil "Luftkrieg" mit
grösstmöglicher Grausamkeit geführt wurde. Auch jeder deutsche
Zivilist war Angriffsziel. Für die Nazis waren die Juden
schlechthin Angriffsziel. Es fehlte bei beiden jegliche
Differenzierung nach gut und schlecht, nach erlaubt und
nicht erlaubt. Erlaubt war alles. Sowohl hier wie da.

4) Die Briten gaben und geben vor, gegen ein Verbrecher-
Regime zu kämpfen bzw. gekämpft zu haben und nutzen dieses
Argument als Begründung für ihre brutale Luftkriegsführung.
Es zieht allerdings nicht. Wie kann man 500.000 Zivilisten
töten und sich dann die Hände in Unschuld waschen? Auch
den 500.000 wurde ein Holocaust bereitet. Wenn Harris
gekonnt hätte, wären ihm auch 6 Millionen Recht gewesen.

5) Verbrechen sind Verbrechen, egal, wie man sie begründet.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

6) Worin unterscheiden sich also Harris und Heydrich:
Für Harris wurde in London ein Denkmal errichtet.

Werner



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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, "ElParedon"  wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and 
>Still Hide It From Us...]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor


>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of 
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th 
>anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists 
>now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be reminded of the Unknown 
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin 
>determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called 
>kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's 
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and 
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier 
>versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into 
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of 
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU 
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many 
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of 
>death - mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from 
>Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used 
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine 
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing 
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel. 
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar 
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet 
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of 
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named 
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch 
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus 
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made famine and 
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's archives, and 
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died. 
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five 
>percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during 
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million 
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, 
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; 
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide 
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war 
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. 
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes 
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and 
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both 
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent 
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the 
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's Jews by 
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been 
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler 
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before 
>the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or 
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. 
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty. 
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM 
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed 
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not see one 
>under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent Walter 
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of 
>famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million people were dying around 
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated 
>Duranty's lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical 
>roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the inevitable 
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of 
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian 
>genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him 
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle 
>Joe," murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought 
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago, 
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state 
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin's real name Djugashvili, translates into "son of a Jew"




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Subject: Re: what was worse? the holocaust or the great famine/Holodomor?
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The more than 100 MILLION killed by ZYD COMMUNISM in the USSR, far outweighs
the few hundred thousand ZYDS who died in WWII.

The 33 millions who perished in the Ukraine alone gave the Ukrainians cause to
really dislike the ZYD kommissars and their henchmen, when they had a chance
to retaliate in the Great Patriotic war.


On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:07:02 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
>In article <1184200078.353876.126670@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, 
alejandro de tacobell  wrote:
>>it's often been said that the holocaust was uniquely horrific while
>>mass killings under communism was just run-of-the-mill, only on a
>>larger scale. supposedly, nothing like the holocaust had ever happened
>>before or since.

>>jews can criticize, condemn, ridicule, mock, and spit on aspects of
>>non-jewish culture but we cannot criticize anything about jews, jewish
>>history, jewish values, jewish influence. this must change.

>The usual Tony Gaza's mental diarrhea.





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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, "ElParedon"  wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and 
>Still Hide It From Us...]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor


>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of 
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th 
>anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists 
>now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be reminded of the Unknown 
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin 
>determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called 
>kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's 
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and 
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier 
>versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into 
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of 
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU 
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many 
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of 
>death - mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from 
>Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used 
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine 
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing 
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel. 
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar 
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet 
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of 
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named 
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch 
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus 
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made famine and 
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's archives, and 
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died. 
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five 
>percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during 
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million 
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, 
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; 
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide 
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war 
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. 
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes 
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and 
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both 
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent 
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the 
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's Jews by 
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been 
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler 
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before 
>the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or 
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. 
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty. 
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM 
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed 
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not see one 
>under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent Walter 
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of 
>famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million people were dying around 
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated 
>Duranty's lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical 
>roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the inevitable 
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of 
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian 
>genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him 
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle 
>Joe," murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought 
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago, 
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state 
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin's real name Djugashvili, translates into "son of a Jew"




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Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a 
means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
> who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a 
> means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord 
>> who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a 
>> means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, Japan, 
>>> Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, 
>>> Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin moslems. wrote:
>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, Japan, 
>>>>>>> Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, 
>>>>>>> Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin moslems. wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, 
>>>>>>>> Japan, Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, 
>>>>>>>> China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin moslems. 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century 
>>>>>>>>> warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement 
>>>>>>>>> brutality as a means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, 
>>>>>>>>>> Japan, Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, 
>>>>>>>>>> China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of shitskin 
>>>>>>>>>> moslems. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to 
>>>>>>>>>>> supplement brutality as a means of bringing people under 
>>>>>>>>>>> subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gavin Chait - the Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China , Holland, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Japan, Singapore, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> shitskin moslems. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplement brutality as a means of bringing people under 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplement brutality as a means of bringing people under 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century warlord who cooked up a false religion in order 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to supplement brutality as a means of bringing people 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under subjection wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosen the Chosen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as long as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera Perks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 609 Turner Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silverton, B.C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V0G 2B0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 250-358-2727
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date of birth: April 4th, 1954
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinks that she is the Empress of Usenet, telling 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EVERYONE what they can and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot post, she will get THIS:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera was told numerous times that for every instance of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her posting someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else's personal information, she should expect others 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post her personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Despite this, or perhaps BECAUSE of this, she continues 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post other people's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal information. The only conclusion that can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drawn from this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that VERA PERKS WANTS EVERYONE TO POST HER PERSONAL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INFORMATION!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is blatantly obvious that this is exactly what she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants everyone to do,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if she didn't want this, why would she have so 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughtfully provided us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with her own personal information on September 10th, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2006, when she shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it with the world in this posting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/d7b68b446ed7d729 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what do you say, folks? Who are we to deprive our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mirelle" what she so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desperately wants from us? Let's all post her 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, and do this every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time she asks us to by way of her posting other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's information!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I plan to do this ten, twenty, perhaps a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hundred times for EACH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AND EVERY instance of her posting other people's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information. Feel free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post her info as many times as you wish!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera Perks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 609 Turner Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silverton, B.C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V0G 2B0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 250-358-2727
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date of birth: April 4th, 1954
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirty mohammadan whore !!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goats, molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a prophet !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vera Mahina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 609 Turner Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silverton, B.C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V0G 2B0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 250-3582727
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goats, molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a prophet !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How's your 'vibrator' Saul Perks ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How's your 'vibrator' Saul Perks ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How's your 'vibrator' Saul Perks ?
>>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, 
>>>>>>>>> molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never 
>>>>>>>>> shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at 
>>>>>>>>> a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you 
>>>>>>>>> fucked to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your 
>>>>>>>>> child off to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with 
>>>>>>>>> little kids, ............  Practice all those and you too could 
>>>>>>>>> become a prophet !!
>>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, 
>>>>>>>> molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never 
>>>>>>>> shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a 
>>>>>>>> maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked 
>>>>>>>> to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off 
>>>>>>>> to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a 
>>>>>>>> prophet !!
>>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a 
>>>>>>> prophet !!
>>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a 
>>>>>> prophet !!
>>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby 
>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
>> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath, 
>> beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your 
>> ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry 
>> a nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, 
>> practice thighing with little kids, ............  Practice all those 
>> and you too could become a prophet !!
> HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath, 
> beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your 
> ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a 
> nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice 
> thighing with little kids, ............  Practice all those and you too 
> could become a prophet !!
HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, molest 
children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or bath, 
beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, wipe your 
ass with stones, sell the donkey you fucked to a nearby village, marry a 
nine year-old , send your child off to an indoctrination camp, practice 
thighing with little kids, ............  Practice all those and you too 
could become a prophet !!


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Notice that there has been a pleasant absence of the vile frothings of the
nazi Dezi Cohen, alias Yitzhak Goldstein.

Could it be that Paris welfare finally said to this criminal from the UK -
merde, vas y!!


>From: Vishnu - destroyer of Nazi Coughlan's support of the Shoah
>
>Newsgroups:
>alt.activism.death-penalty,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.palestine
>Subject: Re: Dezi gets Close + Personal With Noles Who Exposed Him as Nazi
>-IS DEZI NOW DECEASED?
>Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:28:24 -0700
>Message-ID: <9sijt1tdg1ktia15foc8du20r2invdl53n@4ax.com>
>References: <7ADACBFC38741.6028240741@twistycreek.com>
><1138284284.559780.288030@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>
>
>On 26 Jan 2006 06:04:44 -0800, "Philippe 'Suffer the little children to come
>onto me and give me a blowjob' KKKoughlan " 
>after lovingly laving his tongue around the lips of his bust to Hitler wrote:
>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/grosvenor-william/
>
>Oh, my... KKKoughlan is again displaying his affection for Grosvenor.
>Arguing between themselves as to who hates the Jews more.  The fight
>is on... and the votes are now being cast.  Does Grosvenor or KKKoughlan
>hate the Jews more?
>
>Think KKK doesn't hate the Jews?  Think again.  This is just a short list
>of his past comments demonstrating his support for Nazi doctrine and
>the "innocence" (sic) of every Nazi --
>
>His words -- "The issue is whether or not, the Nazis, in declaring
>Jews 'inhuman', were acting illegally.  They were not."  See --
>http://groups.google.fr/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/8fcc1c8e5cb0f3d3
>Him finding that it is LEGAL to declare the Jews as "inhuman."
>
>His words -- "The Holocaust was 'a just execution for those found
>guilty of being Jewish'."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/9e47adb28f22faaf
>
>His words -- "even Auschwitz would not execute a 72-year-old man..."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/2e39751aaf992176
>Insisting that Auschwitz was "more humane" than California.  And one elder
>murderers is more valuable than every elderly Jewish victim of the Holocaust.
>
>His words -- "'The Holocaust' is a term used to refer to the legal execution
>of 6,000,000 Jews in the Second World War."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/88e428e1da2cf26f
>
>His words -- "the attempted extermination of the Jews was legal..."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/0a0dee548a7e68d6
>
>His words -- "if it's legal, it's moral, Jed"  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/4e24f3730b022c53
>Him finding it MORAL to find the Jews "legally inhuman" and MORAL
>to kill six million of them.
>
>His words -- "Are we to accept the word of a committee, bent
>on revenge, which in itself violated the human rights of the Nazis ? See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/944deb89e3e1b631
>
>His words posted with a slap in the face to the contributions of Simon
>Wiesenthal -- 
>"At the same time, let no one forget that the kidnap and hanging of Eichmann,
>was a crime under international law."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/7acc13b56d18263c
>Essentially calling Simon Wiesenthal both a kidnapper and complicit in what
>KKK insists was the "murder by lynching" of Eichmann.
>
>In respect to the question -- "Should Maurice Papon still be imprisoned ?"
>His words -- "Isn't there room for mercy ?  For the sure knowledge that this
>91-year-  old man, isn't in a position to harm anyone."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/5d44b6c90151f6c4
>And then begging everyone to forgive every Nazi... because he insist it's been
>60 years.
>
>His words -- "German society said that the extermination of the Jews
>was a moral, legal, ethical thing to do ..."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/6028d5703b310f29
>Blaming every German for the Holocaust, in the most bigoted
>and hateful comment ever directed against ALL of "German society."
>He might as well have said -- "Every German was a Nazi guard in an
>Eastern European extermination camp."  Since his comment means
>just the same.  A large part of the German population of that time
>might well have supported various anti-Semitic practices, but the
>idea that "German society" supported the HOLOCAUST as a
>"moral, legal, ethical thing to do," is an obscenity on the part of KKK.
>It is a racist comment, unparalleled by hardly any other racist comment
>made in AADP.
>
>His words -- "In the absolute, the Nazi Holocaust and the death penalty
>are perfect equivalents, both morally and legally."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/09343f66a6cea661
>In his words reducing six million innocent Jewish victims murdered in a few
>short years to no better than a thousand proven murderers executed in more
>than 25 years.  The fact is the life expectancy of a Jew setting foot in
>Treblinka was measured in minutes.  Yet he insists that "morally and legally"
>this was in the absolute no different than the execution of any murderer,
>making each and every Jew setting foot on Treblinka the same as a proven
>murderer.
>
>His words -- "Europe has not had a war now since 1945, and in
>matters of morals, has led the world for over two thousand years."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/969ba9ff6d41a2e4
>A truly bizarre comment from him, which argues that all wars in Europe
>for the past 2000 years were fought for moral principles.  In addition to
>him claiming the Holocaust was moral.  And concluding with that
>obligatory reference to Christ, to support his hate for the Jews, who
>he insists were responsible for that death those 2000 years ago, with
>his words -- " Educated Americans are insanely jealous of Europe,
>for it is on this continent that human rights, philosophy, thought, and
>science, has been a beacon to the world since the time of Christ."
>
>Notice that he DARED to mention "human rights," given the bloody
>past of Europe and so much hate for the Jews.   The persecution for
>those 2000 years, the pogroms, the ghettoization, the blaming of the
>Jews for every ill having befallen Europe in those 2000 years, the
>crusades of killing Jews, and finally the attempt to exterminate the
>Jews.  All part of what he argued was the "bright beacon of morality"
>in Europe during what he insists was "it's Golden age of persecution
>of the Jews."    Yeah... Americans are in awe and
>insanely jealous of how perverse and methodically efficient Europeans
>were at blaming the Jews for all of Europe's problems and dispatching
>them with such religious fervor during those 2000 years.  Let's all
>give a big cheer for Jesus 'motherfucker' Christ...the name lent to
>being responsible as the greatest mass murderer of all time... but
>KKKoughlan's hero.
>
>His words in a very direct insult to the Jews of today -- "yet by
>milking those terrible events for all they are worth, 60 years later, Israel
>and World Jewry are only cutting their noses, to spite their face."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/c2ef9625017cc935
>A comment from him filled with insults toward anyone who would
>express a pro-Jewish comment of any kind, insisting that being 
>pro-Jewish means being too biased to actually have a view that
>is less than 150% pro-Jewish.  Essentially insulting every Jew
>living today.
>
>His words -- "certain sections of the Jewish community use the Shoah to
>justify their own excesses."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/e18cca69bc258b4f
>His argument presumes that the Arab community needs no excuse to
>justify their own excesses.
>
>His words -- "Make up your mind: either the Holocaust was mass murder, in
>which case, so is the death penalty, or the death penalty is 'just', in 
>which case, so was the extermination of the Jews.   See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/b8c995d30833c827
>Which is undoubtedly the most ignorantly contrived attempt at pseudo-logic
>ever witnessed in AADP.  Since the proposition is only true if one equates
>convicted murderers as the same as innocent Jews.  But looking beyond
>that his argument is that every person who find the death penalty for
>even a single murderer, even those such as John Wayne Gacy, or Ted
>Bundy, or Kenneth McDuff, to be "just," by his definition must also find
>the Holocaust to have been "just."
>
>His words in denial of anti-Semitism in Europe but insisting that the
>Jews of Israel are anti-Semitic -- "However, it's fatuous to claim that Europe
>is 'anti-Semitic', based on the number of 'anti-Semitic' events that take
>place.  If that were the only criterion, then Israel would be the most
>anti-Semitic country on the planet."  See -- 
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/39504e62ed6562a9
>Hoping to redefine the meaning of anti-Semitism in the English language
>and excuse the anti-Semitism of Muslims at the same time.
>
>He defended the words of the French ambassador to England, Daniel
>Bernard, who referred to Israel as "that shitty little country."  In his
>post that grew hysterical in accusations against the Jews of Israel
>and defended that perverse comment.  One of his comments in
>that blast of anti-Semitic raving from him was -- "Israel does not need to
>kill children, to ensure its survival.  Israel does not need to target the
>innocent families of suicide bombers, to ensure its survival.  Israel does
>not need to engage in daily humiliation of innocent men and women, to
>ensure its survival.  The current policies will hurt Israel more in the
>long run, than they will help it.  Sharon came to power on a security
>'ticket', and his brutal repression of the Palestinian people, has _not_
>ensured the security of Israel and her citizens."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/4d4ec92a10b91a76
>Of course you will notice the one-sided argument offered in which he
>excuses children being taught to become suicide bombers to kill
>innocent Jews.  Forgetting that Arafat came to power on a "kill every
>Jew" ticket.  As he also admits he is "anti-Jewish government."
>
>He claimed the Jews were quite possibly responsible for 9/11.  His
>words -- "I'd put my money on either Israel, or Pakistan being behind the
>attacks."  While attempting to totally absolve bin Laden as innocent.  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/ca5cddf2d27b074d
>
>Of course he also screamed in rage that -- "No one is 'BORN' (sic) a Jew, you
>spagmerchant."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/7ecf6157652669e5
>
>But when it came to providing what he considered "proof" of him being
>Jewish, he stated --  "I don't believe in God ... but I was 'born Jewish.'
>See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/e7e8dbd3116d2dc6
>
> And how many here... even those who would call him a "friend," have said they
>believe he is Jewish?  The answer is ZERO.  Even when I cajole them for an
>answer.
>While nine have come out and stated here that they do not believe he is
>Jewish.  All we have is his raving claim, even going so far as to insist he
>"wears the yellow star" as an insult to the true victims of the Holocaust, and
>even going so far as to call himself a Rabbi in the use of a handle in AADP,
>while laughing at the joke he believe he is playing on AADP and the Jews in
>using that handle.  The fact is well-known that he makes a joke out of playing
>the role of a Jew, in order to turn the tragedy of the Holocaust into his
>personal comic parody.
>
>And of course we have John Rennie's comment regarding the personal
>conversation he had with Coughlan when Coughlan admitted he was not Jewish.
>His words in the same BLOCK LETTERS he posted here -- "DESMOND
>UNEQUIVOCALLY CONFIRMED TO ME THAT HE WAS NOT
>JEWISH.   AT THE TIME OF OUR MEETING HE THOUGHT IT A
>GREAT JOKE AND HE STILL DOES. HE IS NOT JEWISH, HE WAS
>NOT BORN JEWISH, HE DOES NOT HAVE JEWISH ANCESTRY,
>HE DOES NOT PRACTICE THE JEWISH RELIGION."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/92c993bba5d24130
>
>Planet Visitor II 
>http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
>
>KKKoughlan's words -- ""send that 16-year-old niece of yours around to 
>give me a blowjob whenever I want one." See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/8db6438f040c09bf
>
>Perhaps the gentle reader is not aware of KKKoughlan's own feeling as to
>who he considers a "CHILD."  If so, let me provide KKKoughlan's own
>words of who he feels is a "CHILD."  His words -- ""the term 'child' isn't
>defined by you and your NRA buddies.  It's defined in international law,
>and a 17 year old is a child until his eighteenth birthday."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/a1b77a27fe4c6928
>
>KKKoughlan... a self-admitted pedophile.



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In fact he is now targetting some of those posting libel about him,
and getting ready for some interesting lawsuits against them, for
defamation!!

Guess some residents in Texas are now getting fearful, now that 
their ISP's have been served?

He is still spreading the truth about filthy ZHIDS and their
depredations, as are some colleagues around the world in 
several countries infested by ZHIDS!!

Wasn't that him in the big city computer store getting a whopping 
new system costing many thousands?

Looks like the IRS are going to collect a huge pile from all the crooks 
that he turned in, which is why they paid him for the info?

Seems he moved to San Antonio, to do more work for the IRS.
With all they are paying him to expose the jew frauds, will he have 
enough to buy a house next to Harry Mazal?

That sure looked like Blubberbury in the local Century 21 office, looking 
for a deal on a house......

He must have got a bundle from the IRS, for giving them evidence so they 
can collect from crooks like Harry Mazal, Ken McVay, Patrick Humphrey, 
and all the rest of the gang....


On Tue, 24 May 2005 04:20:55 GMT, Steve_Talbot@yahoo.com (Steve
Talbot) wrote:
>On 16 May 2005 09:32:35 -0700,
><1116261155.965796.29960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Chris Larson"
> wrote:

>>Where is Scott Bradbury/ Doc Tavish?  Anyone know.

>He's in other news groups which aren't over-run with trolls such as yourself.
>Try to do a google search and see if you can find him. He has taken measures to
>prevent trolls from stalking him to greener pastures where he now has an
>interested audience.

>Ciao

On Tue,  5 Sep 2006 16:10:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio 
wrote:
>....gone from the usenet for good .



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Bradbury has sure beaten the fat sow Salzman, in the latest series of
documented proof presented by Bradbury.
>From all the pictures of the morbidly obese Salzman, it is a wonder that
anyone, even her spouse, would stay close to her.
The stench must be appalling. 
Does she have to hypnotize her mate to keep him?

Salzman just can not deny all the actual FACTS filed by Bradbury,
contradicting all her lies.

Could it be that Bradbury, now apparently working for the US Government, 
will be deliberately buying his new home in the midst of all his detractors?


On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:50:37 -0500, Doc Tavish 
wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:03:05 -0600,
>, Sara Salzman
> wrote:
>>In article ,
>> WyattEarp  wrote:

>>> Rumor is that he is working undercover elsewhere in the USA, getting
>>> evidence on some real criminals, who just happen to belong to a
>>> certain ethnic minority.

>>Under cover? BRADBURY? There are no covers large enough for him to hide 
>>under, unless you're referring to some kind of circus tent.

>You have never seen me Sara and once again you are relying on smear from a
>proven criminal element and liar named Yale F. Edeiken YET you on the other hand
>are very obese. I.E.
>http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif 

>>> He is far from deceased, and is still very active against those who
>>> tried to defame him. 

>>Really? Since there's no one who tried to "defame" him (doesn't someone 
>>have to have _fame_ in order to be de-famed?), your statement doesn't 
>>make any sense.

>You are guilty of defamation.

>>If you're referring to those of us who were honestly concerned about his 
>>spiraling mental health, 

>Funny that all the people who expose you for what you are have "spiraling mental
>health" and that you claim as shown below: "there isn't a single person who has
>heard a peep out of him. Not me, not Pat, not Yale, not anyone" when:

>1) You have confessed to being RETARDED:
>On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman  wrote: 
>     "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!" 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-- 
> Message ID:  
>       (Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2) 

>2) Yale has confessed to being "mentally unstable" and a "crazy man": 
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/79dab24b047e1e68
>From: "Yale F. Edeiken" 
>Subject: Re: The Common Thread To All These Cancel Announcements...
>Message-ID: 
>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:06:26 GMT
> Defendant Bradshit  wrote
> in message news:7lp1otkrsh37k7ioip5nbd61u0j3nr47fn@4ax.com...

>[...]

>> Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller and Paul Trainor distanced 
>> themselves from you

>    Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
>(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
>wanted to go away as quckly as possible.
>
>	             ~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~

>3) Patrick has confessed to peeking into windows:
>"[I]f I'm out at night, just look for anyone peeking into windows..." Patrick L.
>Humphrey 
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.feminism/msg/729ac178ff1f8660?fwc=1 
>(Archived locally as: PatrickThePeeper) 
>Subject: Re: PATRICK "THE STALKER?" 
>Date: 1996/09/03 

>For further reading about my opposition's mental states read:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/623165aa1b6c029b?fwc=1
>Subject: My Opposition Proven to be Mentally Unstable, Delusional, Peeping Toms,
>and Retarded 
>Message-ID: <3o38t15bfcpqcqiom7k4bpeolk358gcm95@4ax.com>
>Date: 22 Jan 2006 23:00:49 GMT

>     ~~Sara Salzman's "CPS" Affidavit Perjury Documented~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ddf877bf49b153c2?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality Revealed.
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 27 Jul 2005 22:18:07 GMT
>  Sara Salzman's poor damage control and diversion countered with:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6ffc6ccf93e09d37?fwc=1
>Subject: Re: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality
>Revealed.
>Message-ID: <9qphe1ttfrdjeu9hsjj4iqt2v35hq25mnf@4ax.com>
>References: 
>
>Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:18:58 GMT
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Perjury is also a criminal offense which makes Sara a criminal by definition!
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Overview of noun perjurer
> The noun perjurer has 1 sense (no senses from tagged texts)
> perjurer, false witness -- (a person who deliberately gives false testimony) 
>Coordinate Terms (sisters) of noun perjurer
> storyteller, fibber, fabricator -- (someone who tells lies) 
> liar, prevaricator -- (a person who has lied or who lies repeatedly)
>

>>there isn't a single person who has heard a peep out of him.

>I have been very busy and especially concerning imminent legal action against a
>criminal cabal.

>>Not me, not Pat, not Yale, not anyone.

>>On the other hand, he may be hiding from the police himself, since he 
>>became silent right after the San Antonio fire.

>That is a major lie. Care to get Harry W. Mazal to either sue me out right or to
>file a criminal complaint with law enforcement rather than smearing me with
>actionable libel namely implying I'm an arsonist? Does Mazal assume civil
>liability for your big fat mouth?

>>> Is he now using other non-de-plumes, and different ISPs, from where he
>>> is currently working?

>>WORKING?!?!?! Bradbury hasn't worked in years. He lives off the 
>>government teat

>Another lie. I had an early medical retirement with full benefits and have
>posted such fact numerous times. Care to deny it you fat disgusting pig?

>> in a tar-paper shack.
>
>Another lie meant to smear me. I'm sorry to expose your bile but local
>ordinances don't approve of tar paper shacks within city limits!

>> He claims he is "retired," but has 
>>never provided a scintilla of proof that he EVER had a real job.

>Because it is NOT one bit of your g.d. business you big fat disgusting pig.

>>Sorry, Anonymous Coward. Bradbury ran away. No one in law enforcement 
>>has ever taken him seriously. He couldn't move his sorry ass from 
>>Bellville if he had two tractor trailers moving him.

>We will see how much you will be running your big fat mouth in the future you
>fat pig! I haven't been in hiding but many of your fellow pukes are in hiding
>and you know it!!

>Proof Sara Salzman is a big fat pig who confessed to being retarded in public
>forum:

>On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman  wrote: 
>  "How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Message ID:  
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?fwc=1
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?dmode=source
>Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT
>(Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2)
><I have known you to be a retard for many years! Picture of the self confessed
>mental retardee: http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif 
>Don't even think about Nuking your confession from GOOGLE you sow because it is
>archived locally by myself and others! We learned about how you say things and
>then later deny doing such and how you NUKE archives and then act as though we
>made it all up such as your Torture S&M Bondage works which some of us had the
>foresight to archive figuring you would NUKE them!>>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>SARA SALZMAN HAD TO BE TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN SHE MADE A SELF ADMISSION ABOUT
>HER RETARDATION AND WE HAVE HER WORDS BELOW TO PROVE WHAT SHE STATED ABOVE HAS
>TO BE TRUE!!
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/defaec4891d9856a
>(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies1)
>From: Sara Salzman 
>Subject: Re: Who Are the Liars? aka Re: Yo, idiotchild...
>Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:50:03 -0700
>Message-ID: 
>"You can scream in caps all you want, but I have never lied... Sara"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"I have, Dr. Homeland, NEVER lied to anyone. Not in this forum, not to 
>the police, not to the media... Sara"
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a31eefeec1d87ece
>(Archived locally as: SaraLiedNOTlies3)
>From: Sara Salzman 
>Subject: David Michael -- insane?
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:45:23 -0600
>Message-ID: 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Sara

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/514d1e8240b88a7c?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's "Day, time, place. I'm waiting" and From Whence It Came!
>V5.0  (Corrections Made)   T_0822
>Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:49:21 -0500
>Message-ID: 
>	   MORE LIES EXPOSED IN RELATION TO THE ABOVE:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/1396457beb27db68?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman Caught in Two New Lies!! My BUT How That Daughter of
>Belial Can Lie!! aka Re: Scott Bradbury Continues to Demonstrate his Psychosis
>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:53:01 -0500
>Message-ID: 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e5a29037c5e168c8?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman Caught in Third New Lie (Possibly Four Lies) in the past
>24 Hours!!!  aka Re: Scott Bradbury Continues to Demonstrate his Psychosis
>Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:01:12 -0500
>Message-ID: 
>--------------------------------------------------------
>The above archives catalog how Sara tells one lie right after another in order
>to cover for her previous lie! Truly hilarious and at the same time pathetic
>seeing how the slob is connected to two "Holocaust Research Web Sites." Who in
>their right mind would take the word of a demonstrated liar such as Sara "The
>Fist" Salzman? Also see:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/74d17effed6ddec?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's Recent Lies Documented and Archived. V2.0  T_0807
>Message-ID: <9sedf1tc6173cb8koe77njdo7nb9inn6up@4ax.com>
>Date: 8 Aug 2005 02:04:13 GMT
>-----------------------------
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ddf877bf49b153c2?fwc=1
>Subject: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality Revealed.
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 27 Jul 2005 22:18:07 GMT
>  Sara Salzman's poor damage control and diversion countered with:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6ffc6ccf93e09d37?fwc=1
>Subject: Re: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality
>Revealed.
>Message-ID: <9qphe1ttfrdjeu9hsjj4iqt2v35hq25mnf@4ax.com>
>References: 
>
>Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:18:58 GMT
>------------------------------
>"Stupid is as stupid does." - Forrest Gump
>
>							Tavish The True



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You are a certifiable piece of merde!!

The murders of almost 100 MILLION UKRAINIANS was in the 1930's, when the ZYD
KOMMISSARS RAN THE CHEKA & NKVD!!


On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:51:13 +1000, Reargunner  wrote:

>In 1920 the Ukrainian was under the White Russian, the communist did not 
>take over till afterwards. If you really were from the Ukrainian you 
>would know that!

>> > In article ,
>> > JimDavidson@usenetexchange.com says...
>> >> The more than 100 MILLION killed by ZYD COMMUNISM in the USSR, far 
>> >> outweighs the few hundred thousand ZYDS who died in WWII.

>> >> The 33 millions who perished in the Ukraine alone gave the Ukrainians 
>> >> cause to really dislike the ZYD kommissars and their henchmen, when they had a 
>> >> chance to retaliate in the Great Patriotic war.

>> >> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:07:02 GMT, dk@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >In article <1184200078.353876.126670@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> alejandro de tacobell  wrote:
>> >> >>it's often been said that the holocaust was uniquely horrific while
>> >> >>mass killings under communism was just run-of-the-mill, only on a
>> >> >>larger scale. supposedly, nothing like the holocaust had ever happened
>> >> >>before or since.

>> >> >>jews can criticize, condemn, ridicule, mock, and spit on aspects of
>> >> >>non-jewish culture but we cannot criticize anything about jews, jewish
>> >> >>history, jewish values, jewish influence. this must change.

>> > When the communist took over the Ukrainian, the first ones driven out
>> > were the Jews.

>> Fucking liar! My father's family were murdered by the Jewish Commissars. 
>> When communists took over Ukraine in 1920, 97 out of 103 CHEKA commissars 
>> were Jews. 




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Now the Brazilian aircraft manufacturer cal promote their planes, to potential
customers of Bumbardier.

They can show all the details of the Bumbardier CRASHES, which will ensure
that Bumbardier will lose a lot of business.


On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:17:04 -0700, Marcio Osorio 
wrote:

>What do Venezuelans and airplane passengers have to do with EMBRAER
>laughing at the expense of BOMBARDIER? Why mix the topics?



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Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
officialy rescinded this useless policy.

Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
including many states in the uSa, as well as many sensible countries
throughout Asia.

At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
incarceration costs either.

There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
costs for them.


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From: Ned Kelly 
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Subject: Re: Note to Canadian retailers: You have two choices
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On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:01:42 -0700, bluedevil_1950@yahoo.com wrote:
>On Oct 25, 3:51 pm, Ned Kelly  wrote:
>> For those manufacturers and retailers who refuse to match US prices,
>> they will be the subject of massive BOYCOTTS.
>>
>> As they go bankrupt because of lack of sales, their staff will be able to
>> blame the greedy managers for the loss of their jobs.
>>
>> With the C$ now worth more than the US$, it is now so easy to go online
>> and order anything from the USA, and save lots of money.
>>
>> With Canadian shoppers flocking to the USA to do their Christmas shopping,
>> spending millions there, there will be lots of bankrupt Canadian businesses.
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:29:16 -0700, Leftists = traitors 
>> wrote:

>> >Make less money per sale, or NO money at all.  Get your prices in-line
>> >or go bankrupt.  Work on the philosophy (so successfully implemented
>> >in the U.S.) of selling a lot for a small profit each, instead of
>> >small numbers of products for huge profits.  This should allow you to
>> >make MORE money in the long run since there is less competition here
>> >than in the the U.S.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Also keep in mind. When all those Canadian businesses go bankrupt and
>their employees lose their jobs, YOUR taxes will increase so the
>government can look after them.
>It's a double edged sword.

Most seniors do not make enough, to have to pay taxes, so let the greedy
Canadian businesses go bankrupt.

By the way, the unemployed business owners will have to go on welfare, 
without being entitled to collect EI.



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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:32:08 -0400, Johannes von Ebersdorf
 wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:32:22 GMT, Ned Kelly
> wrote:

>>Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

>>Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
>>facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
>>government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
>>in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
>>officialy rescinded this useless policy.

>>Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
>>denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
>>including many states in the USA, as well as many sensible countries
>>throughout Asia.

>>At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
>>will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
>>incarceration costs either.

>>There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
>>their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
>>costs for them.

>So, great mind, how does your model deal with the large number of
>false convictions?

>There is simply no accountability for the death sentence. The people
>who send an innocent person to the gallows just shrug and go on with
>their lives.

>Accountability would, at minimum, involve the jury, the incompetent
>police officers that investigated the case, and the trial judge
>following their victim to the gallows. Any justice officials from the
>highest to the lowest that had any part in executing an innocent
>person should be subjected to summary execution with a revolver shot
>to the back of the head, preferrably on a public sidewalk in full view
>of passers-by.

The decision of a jury is based on whatever evidence is presented, whether by
the prosecution, or the defence counsel.

I agree with your sentiment that the lawyers involved in a false conviction,
together with all the crooked cops, and the judge, should likewise follow the
executed person into extermination.

>With that system in place, juries and judges would be really careful
>about handing out death sentences, which is as it should be.

>Executions have no place in civilized societies.

On the contrary, an executed criminal will never re-offend!



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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, "ElParedon"  wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and 
>Still Hide It From Us...]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor


>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of 
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th 
>anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists 
>now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be reminded of the Unknown 
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin 
>determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called 
>kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's 
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and 
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier 
>versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into 
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of 
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU 
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many 
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of 
>death - mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from 
>Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used 
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine 
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing 
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel. 
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar 
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet 
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of 
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named 
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch 
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus 
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made famine and 
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's archives, and 
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died. 
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five 
>percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during 
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million 
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, 
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; 
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide 
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war 
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. 
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes 
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and 
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both 
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent 
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the 
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's Jews by 
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been 
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler 
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before 
>the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or 
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. 
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty. 
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM 
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed 
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not see one 
>under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent Walter 
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of 
>famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million people were dying around 
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated 
>Duranty's lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical 
>roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the inevitable 
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of 
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian 
>genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him 
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle 
>Joe," murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought 
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago, 
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state 
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin's real name Djugashvili, translates into "son of a Jew"




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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:04:49 -0400, "El Conquistador" 
wrote:

>'Misuse of Canada's identity' questioned in Israeli spy operation

>Stewart Bell
>National Post

>A SENIOR Cabinet official questioned the head of Israel's security service 
>about allegations Israeli undercover agents posed as Canadians during an 
>operation to assassinate a Palestinian terrorist leader, newly released 
>documents show.

>Although Ottawa has said publicly it was convinced all along the spy claims 
>were false, internal documents obtained yesterday show the matter has 
>continued to concern the government and has been the subject of 
>behind-the-scenes diplomacy.

>In a confidential report, officials said they were concerned about "other 
>countries' intelligence services misusing Canada's identity" and that "such 
>misuse endangers Canadians travelling around the world and undermines the 
>integrity of Canadian passports."

>Ronald Bilodeau, the Privy Council Office security and intelligence 
>co-ordinator and Cabinet assistant secretary, met on Oct. 1 with the head of 
>the Israeli Security Agency, whose spies allegedly used false Canadian 
>identities during the operation in Gaza.

>"The ISA is reported to have recently had its agents pose as Canadians to 
>lure a Palestinian, 22-year-old Akram Zatmeh, into informing on Intifada 
>leaders in return for promises of resettlement in Canada," according to a 
>"Secret: Canadian Eyes Only" memo prepared for the meeting.

>  The documents do not describe the response of the ISA chief, who reports 
>directly to Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister. Israel has denied the 
>claims. But the papers show Ottawa was worried about being linked to a spy 
>operation and a botched assassination that killed 14 bystanders, nine of 
>them children.

>The allegations surfaced in August, when Mr. Zatmeh publicly detailed how he 
>was lured into becoming an Israeli informant by agents who told him they 
>were Canadians and could help him immigrate. Mr. Zatmeh said he was 
>recruited by three "Canadian" agents who brought him to the Canadian embassy 
>in Tel Aviv before coercing him into helping them, with doctored photos that 
>showed him with naked women.

>On July 23, Mr. Zatmeh helped Israeli agents pinpoint the location of Sheik 
>Salah Shehadeh, a Hamas leader. Twenty minutes later, an Israeli F-16 fired 
>a one-tonne missile at the building, killing not only the sheik but also 
>more than a dozen bystanders.

>Mr. Zatmeh was later arrested as a collaborator and is facing a possible 
>death sentence.

>"Our initial concern ... was that the press articles could be seen by some 
>as alleging Canadian involvement with Israel in the assassination of Sheik 
>Salah Shehadeh," according to an Aug. 29 internal government memo. "Canada 
>has nothing to do with this or with any other purported Israeli operation."

>After the Post learned of the informant's allegations, officials told the 
>newspaper on Sept. 4 they were satisfied the claims were false. However, 
>hours after the Post report on Sept. 5, John McNee, assistant deputy 
>minister for Africa and the Mideast, discussed the matter with Haim Divon, 
>Israel's ambassador to Canada.




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To see a video about the KOSHER TAX, go to:

http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/1417/default.aspx

Thanks for posting this nice little introduction to the KosherNostra,
Tommy.

The Kosher industry is a fungus that has penetrated into every level of
US foods production, to the point that, even if you dig around 'til
you find a brand that *doesn't* bear the mark of the Kosher Beast,
most of the ingredients were still likely certified at some level, so
the Kashrus Khazars are still probably getting a cut.

The film indicates that a portion of the monies extracted from the
sleeping Gentiles in the Kosher racket goes to "support Israel"
(read OPPRESS PALESTINIANS), and this is almost undoubtedly the case.
The OU (Orthodox Union) is the Big Nose in the US Kash-R-Us market, and
they kick massive amounts of cash to support Zionist "causes" in
the Jewish State.

If the Khazars want to eat Kosher from a can, that's fine by me. But
let them pay for their own fetishes - pass around the plat at the ol'
synagogue. But it'd better be a damn BIG plate, as the film indicated
that they'd need to raise about 6 billion a year to replace the
monies that the Goyim currently unwittingly subsidize them.

One final note: As the film mentioned, some companies are now beginning
to balk - disbelieving the lies told them by the Kosher Racketeers, and
dumping certification.  Others are trying to get the best of both
worlds - for instance, right now I'm eating Planters Dry Roasted
Peanuts. On the package is a simple letter "K". It's not a
enclosed in a circle or a triangle, not enmeshed ins some fancy
pattern, just a simple "K" located approximately where an
"official" Kosher Symbol - owned by the racketeers- would be
placed.

This means that the company is self-regulating, and is NOT playing the
Kosher Racketeers game - OR paying them.    0:-(>

This is the company's way of telling the Kash-R-US Rabbis to take a
flying leap - as the Jews can't copyright the letter "K", (and
this drives these Food Nazis mad). Of course, Kosher Keeping Jew would
never buy the product because they know better - but the  "Kosher is
Better" Gentile consumer - those who have been duped into believing
that the Kosher seal somehow translates to mean a "better" product
(it doesn't - EVER) will never know the difference, and will buy it
anyway.


The shitty part for the Rabbinical Racketeers is that they CAN'T try
to educate the Gentile public on this matter - if they do, the jig'll
be up, and they'll soon be paying for their own picnic.  0:-(>


Will Planters (or Tabasco, etc) miss the Kosher Jewish market? Hell no!
Jews make up only about 2% of the US population, and only about 10% of
those are serious about keeping Kosher on a daily basis. To paraphrase
the ADL's article: The profit that companies make by selling mainline
products to Kosher Keeping Jews is SO low that "we can't even
calculate it".
**
Waldo
Observer at Large



Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
KOSHER TAX, who is more believable, them or liars such as you?

 Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
$30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!


On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:43:26 -0400, "zr"  wrote:

>You've got so much crap you should bottle it.
>Heinz & Libby both still have "cor" on their products. Just look on the back 
>of a bottle of Ketchup dimwit!
>Here is also another fact for you "herr grubber" the Heiress to the Heinz 
>fortune is a Jewess married to a Jew John F Kerry. You know the one, he ran 
>for President of the USA.
>Never mind Das Boat you get Das Boot imbecile.
>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:esbp729g8oqmc6h0b6hbodfj50rlfqgaa5@4ax.com...
>> Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

>> When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
>> KOSHER TAX, who is more beleivable, them or liars such as you?

>> Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
>> $30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!

>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!

>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:53:33 -0500, "zr"  wrote:
>>
>>>Pure Bullshit!
>>>Next you'll be telling everyone Hallal foods are a rip off. Then Cereal, 
>>>and
>>>baby food.
>>>How about dog food.
>>>Isn't that what you white trash racists eat.
>>
>>>"Jules Streiker"  wrote in message
>>>news:ps7lt11vqd26jm3sc17tvahpierd7qhtha@4ax.com...
>>>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>>>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>>>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!
>>>>
>>>> We do know that Philip Wolf a part-time kosher food inspector (sic)
>>>> in Calgary Canada testified in court that he gets $35,000 for his
>>>> part-time job!!
>>>>
>>>> Heinz/Libby finally got fed up this year,and stopped paying the
>>>> extortion tax!!
>>>>
>>>> Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
>>>> longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
>>>> like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
>>>> Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
>>>> Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
>>>> such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
>>>> qualified to do...
>>>>
>>>> Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
>>>> ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
>>>> hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!
>>>>
>>>>>From: norma2339@charter.net
>>>>>Newsgroups: wpg.general,calgary.general
>>>>>Subject: Re: Heinz Dumps KOSHER TAX-Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>>>>>Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:33:32 -0800
>>>>>"veranda"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:...
>>>>>> > >     veranda : the origins of Kosher are of very good value since 
>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>> > > teaches sanitary way of food storage , handling and preparation .
>>>>>> > > Those were valuable practices hundreds of years ago .
>>>>>> > >     The whole point is that Today it only duplicates the work of
>>>>>> > > Public Food Inspectors and therefore is an unjustified extra cost
>>>>
>>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9abc4e06.0304010305.50dc870e@posting.google.com...
>>>>>> > What duplication?  It is a symbol on the container and the cost 
>>>>>> > would
>>>>>> > not change in any way.  This "paranoia" is silly.
>>>>
>>>>>veranda : what 'paranoia' ?? we are talking about saving money .
>>>>>In order to have the Kosher mark on a product the manufacturer
>>>>>must subscribe to the Rabbi inspections ( just like Public
>>>>>Inspectors ) and the Rabbi are charging money for their services ,
>>>>>you knew that !
>>>>>Kosher is Israel's food inspectors , dear , not in Canada though ,
>>>>>we got our own  !  :)
>>>>
>>>>>Well, to set the record straight.  The Rabbinate council that approves
>>>>>something Kosher according to milk and meat products probably got a
>>>>>flat fee and if the company continued to raise the prices that counsel
>>>>>doesn't really care.  It is not an item by item thing.  With the
>>>>>Kosher diet it matters what foods are eate together (and never mil and
>>>>>meat) and one eats mostly milk meals, because the time period between
>>>>>those types of meals is longer after meat (a much heavier meal in the
>>>>>day.)
>>>>
>>>>>What would it save you--less than $10 a year.
>>>>
>>>>>All countries have their own Rabbinate Cousels, so don't think that it
>>>>>is just Canada with their own.  Maybe it is the Canadian Rabbis who
>>>>>have demanded more money?
>>>>
>>>>>Or, perhaps Philip Wolf, the KOSHER FOOD INSPECTOR in Calgary wanted
>>>>>more than the $35,000 a year he got for duplicating the work of the
>>>>>Canadian authorities?? Apparently, his part-time stamps business
>>>>>couldn't make any money either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:25:20 -0600, Boris Dynin 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Further to the article below about Heinz/Libby, the smaller article
>>>>>following sheds more light on the KOSHER NOSTRA EXTORTION TAX!!
>>>>
>>>>>The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>>>>>by Ernesto Cienfuegos
>>>>>La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>
>>>>>Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>>receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers
>>>>>and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our
>>>>>attention.
>>>>
>>>>>Last week we received an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance
>>>>>of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found
>>>>>printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
>>>>>products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we
>>>>>do some research into the subject. What we found
>>>>>certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
>>>>
>>>>>On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
>>>>>verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
>>>>>most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
>>>>>Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>>>>>similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>>>>>Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper
>>>>>container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic
>>>>>sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.
>>>>
>>>>>We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies
>>>>>to ask some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the
>>>>>Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>>>>>plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as
>>>>>most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages
>>>>>for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
>>>>>products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the
>>>>>(U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
>>>>>until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
>>>>>that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher".
>>>>
>>>>>We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
>>>>>whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and
>>>>>other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
>>>>>Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
>>>>>the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
>>>>>she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
>>>>>but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>>>>>Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
>>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>>What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
>>>>>that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
>>>>>amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
>>>>>receive protection.
>>>>
>>>>>This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
>>>>>the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer
>>>>>the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>>>>>not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>>>>>other similar markings.
>>>>
>>>>>Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>>>>>sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>>>>>perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually
>>>>>Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
>>>>>western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation
>>>>>in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The
>>>>>(U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan
>>>>>and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue
>>>>>in New York City.
>>>>
>>>>>The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
>>>>>amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
>>>>>Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
>>>>>full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.
>>>>
>>>>>The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
>>>>>approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
>>>>>certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
>>>>>boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food
>>>>>companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish
>>>>>dominated media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in
>>>>>bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed
>>>>>on to the consumer anyway. The food companies have kept secret from
>>>>>the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the amount
>>>>>of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
>>>>
>>>>>It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
>>>>>manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the
>>>>>"Kosher Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200
>>>>>Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and then a
>>>>>large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly,
>>>>>the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows
>>>>>up to "inspect" the company's operations.
>>>>>Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
>>>>>lucrative salaries.
>>>>
>>>>>The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food
>>>>>companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
>>>>>estimated to be in the BILLIONS since the scam first started. The
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep the amount
>>>>>of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote
>>>>>about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing about
>>>>>it now.
>>>>
>>>>>Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
>>>>>eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public
>>>>>education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of
>>>>>all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I
>>>>>certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee"
>>>>>or "kosher plastic sandwich bags".
>>>>>In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
>>>>>for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright attorneys
>>>>>out there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and
>>>>>other non-Jewish people?
>>>>>* * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>>
>>>>>CONGRATULATIONS TO HEINZ/LIBBY FOR STARTING THE
>>>>>ANTI-KOSHER NOSTRA REVOLT!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Further to the article below, today's Southam newspapers
>>>>>report that Canadian Jew News stated that Heinz Canada
>>>>>have removed the Koosher Tax Certification from almost
>>>>>all Heinz products.
>>>>
>>>>>Heinz declared this was done " to keep costs down" according
>>>>>to Heinz spokeman Anna Relyea.
>>>>
>>>>>To save money Heinz stopped the KOSHER TAX on tomato sauces
>>>>>and pastes, vinegar and mustard, and also jars of baby foods.
>>>>>Also, the KOSHER TAX was dropped on all domestic beans,
>>>>>including those sold under the Libby's label.
>>>>
>>>>>Naturally, the ZHID rabbis who made a killing in fees from
>>>>>the KOSHER TAX are now complaining, according to Rabbi
>>>>>Mordechai Levin, executive director of COR(Council of
>>>>>Orthodox Rabbis).
>>>>
>>>>>Good for Heinz!! Perhaps now more firms will join the
>>>>>refusal to pay the KOSHER TAX!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>From: tyler 
>>>>>>Newsgroups: calgary.general,soc.culture.jewish,edm.general
>>>>>>Subject: You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs
>>>>>>consumers
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:55:49 GMT
>>>>
>>>>>>You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers
>>>>
>>>>>>It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
>>>>>>food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
>>>>>>proof is easily found.
>>>>
>>>>>>COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
>>>>>>Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
>>>>>>aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
>>>>>>if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
>>>>>>to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
>>>>>>to religious law then the product is certified as kosher.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The following has been snipped from:
>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>>>>
>>>>>>Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
>>>>>>rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
>>>>>>are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
>>>>>>organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
>>>>>>certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
>>>>>>food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.
>>>>
>>>>>>The website explains:
>>>>
>>>>>>Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
>>>>>>begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
>>>>>>every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
>>>>>>agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
>>>>>>step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
>>>>>>equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
>>>>>>close investigation and supervision.
>>>>
>>>>>>The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
>>>>>>source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
>>>>>>the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
>>>>>>kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
>>>>>>(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
>>>>>>manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
>>>>>>The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
>>>>>>investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.
>>>>
>>>>>>The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
>>>>>>authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
>>>>>>ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
>>>>>>changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
>>>>>>acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
>>>>>>on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
>>>>>>contract and then sent to the manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>>>>The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>>>>>>non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>>>>>>Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
>>>>>>depending on the gross annual sales of the product.
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>>>The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
>>>>>>the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
>>>>>>that!
>>>>
>>>>>>...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
>>>>>>likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
>>>>>>annual sales of the product.
>>>>
>>>>>>The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
>>>>>>friends and neighbours if they  know what COR means. Unless they are
>>>>>>Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
>>>>>>because something is certified.
>>>>
>>>>>>tyler
>>>>>>the consumer watchdog!!!
>>>>
>>>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>>>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>>>
>>>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>>>
>>>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>>>> is a revolutionary act."
>>>> (George Orwell)
>>>>
>>>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>>>
>>>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>>>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>>>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>>>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>>>
>>>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>>>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>>>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>>>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>>>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>>>
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>>>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>>>> and impossible to ignore."
>>>> --John Bryant
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> is
>>>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a 
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>On 1 Mar 2007 16:33:32 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:

>>The Accusations

>>     Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

>>     Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>>     British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>>     escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>>     February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

>>     I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>>     I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>>     deeds of the war.

>>     While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still
>>     on my arm

>>     Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>>     uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

>>     Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

>>     Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>>     little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>>     when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>>     (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

>>     These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>>     published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

>>     "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>>     commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>>     in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>>     future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>>     directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>     political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>     authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

>>     This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>>     lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>>     Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>>     collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>     hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>>     Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>>     camps, the price...was not too high for me.

>>     "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>>     Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>>     While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>>     another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>>     with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>     he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>>     "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>>     a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

>>     "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>>     between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>>     immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>>     would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>>     blood to achieve his political goal...
>>     'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>>     this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>>     service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>>     would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>     concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>>     That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>>     (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

>>     Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>>     do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>>     money and military equipment."

>>     Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>     According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>>     When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>>     citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>>     Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>>     views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>     official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>>     Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>>     of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>     -88-

>KASTNER Case=ZYD ACCOMPLICE WITH NAZIS [88]

>Now there are at least another 50 documented cases like KASTNER, 
>and RUMKOWSKI!!
>The ZHIDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS!!

>Even the notorious Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to have been a nazi 
>GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>On 24 Oct 2004 17:22:19 -0000, DerStuermer  wrote:

>>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>Here is the latest.......

>>From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>>Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>>Date: 1997/07/12

>>The Kastner Case

>>Introduction

>>Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>>up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of all
>>and will show that on this question 'The documentation available is
>>overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine Speaks
>>claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>>Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>>the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>>accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly the
>>most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist collaboration
>>broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first, and in greater detail.

>>Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>>concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>>about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some books
>>in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its case appears
>>strongest, and on the points to which it has given greatest emphasis,we
>>hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that things are not quite
>>what they may have appeared before this inquiry began.

>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>involving Rudolf Kastner.

>>Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>>Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>>'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>>rehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

>>That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>>Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>>3CR for anti-semitism.

>>It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>>anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>>what Kastner was accused of.

>>This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>>account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works dealing
>>with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart from 3CR, the
>>suppression of information has been so complete, that even an expert
>>like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on the matter, has
>>been unable to find out what it is all about.

>>The Accusations

>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

>>"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald,
>>he wrote:

>>'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

>>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>>brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives with
>>the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council
>>which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at
>>Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics
>>of the exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me when I
>>escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks
>>notice that Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'

>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>bargaining end there.

>>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany collapsed,
>>to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit. pp261-2)

>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

>>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation,
>>I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>>was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>>He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>>keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a
>>few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>>not too high for me.

>>.We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case
>>and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>>goal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>>keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>>After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid, p.26ö-61)

>>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>>merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>>equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is the term
>>that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had known what the
>>accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR saying 'In these
>>circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious and absurd'.

>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?

>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

>>The Verdict

>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on 3CR,
>>has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to the Jewish
>>community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to promote racism,
>>in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

>>It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>>complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>>the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>>its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information can
>>backfire on the censors themselves.

>>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>Kenyermeze.

>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead
>>the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>of Jewish leaders.

>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>spreading such false information and did not protest.

>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>hampering the deportation orders.

>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower
>>these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to
>>the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their community
>>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.

>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council
>>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>catastrophe.

>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

>>The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>>ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>>expensively if honorably guided.

>>Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>>exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>task easier.

>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.

>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>>the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>>Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>the extermination plan of the killers ?

>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>annihilation.

>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>the Nazi patronage of his committee.

>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority
>>of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the
>>agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the
>>Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of
>>Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.
>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>from the book of the living.

>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>to evade this truth.

>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated quickly
>>to another."

>>(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>>General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, 1955).

>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

>>"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.

>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.

>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>remove Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.

>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.

>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>>declared in the affidavit.

>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment
>>the good intention of good Becher'.

>>It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were
>>sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that there
>>was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal.
>>Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>>given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>>in Nuremberg.

>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>his statements." (ibid)

>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproven
>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>>pounds as court costs.

>>In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>>been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.

>>Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>>completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>>matter.

>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>pointed to much more than that.

>>But the story does not end there.

>>The Reaction

>>Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>>Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>>now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.

>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:

>>"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)

>>In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>>journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:

>>"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>>trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>>defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).

>>*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:

>>"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>>him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>>Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>>defense." (23 June 1955)

>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.

>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose." (23 June 1955)

>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>libel.

>>As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>>*Ma'ariv*:

>>"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>>government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>>collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>>government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>>of our history!

>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24 June 1955)

>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand here
>>as a private individual. He was a recognized representative, official or
>>non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in Palestine and of the
>>Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court to defend the
>>representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p. 268)

>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.

>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>But the story gets worse.

>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the
>>name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.

>>The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>>court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>rehabilitated'.

>>The Majority Judgement

>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and convicted
>>Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.

>>In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>>fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>>totally missing the point.

>>Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.

>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>>Kastner.
>>They JOINED him.

>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:

>>"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying,
>>'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>>vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>protocol 465).

>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which on can
>>properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

>>.And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>his efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>disclose the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>>with the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>his findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>from a moral and public point of view...

>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>hour of crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>warn and did not cry out of the coming danger....

>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)

>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>>knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.

>>The Minority Judgement

>>It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>>Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>>sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority judgement of
>>Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:

>>"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others....

>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews,
>>even though, in fact, he brought about its result.'

>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from
>>the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>able to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money,
>>bribery, etc - and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds
>>of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>he decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>of the last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>a claim of such good faith...

>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>the countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>the news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...

>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>>- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>>machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>>of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.

>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>>evidence for this.

>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great
>>war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>>base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>is attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>retroactive light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)

>>Conclusion

>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>collaboration with the Nazis.

>>One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>>President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the 'dragging in
>>of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi relationships'.

>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.

>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>>being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.

>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>West Germany.

>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>>fear of what might come out.

>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds of
>>'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that they
>>were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on
>>the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.

>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it, 'now dead'. Or
>>putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>>Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>>before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>>not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>>secret service.
>>(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>>admitted in court during the murder trial).

>>Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>>dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>>as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many people
>>have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is whether,
>>if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many more could
>>have been saved, and whether this is not an essential future consideration,
>>at least as an insurance policy.

>>The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>>Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the Nazis
>>and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had not
>>existed.
>>Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>>insurance policy, is like using petro for a fire extinguisher.

>>Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>>run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.

>>We shall go on to prove this in detail.

>>Elias Davidsson - Oldugata 50 - 101 Reykjavik - Iceland
>>Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
>>Email: edavid@itn.is     URL:  http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid


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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:32:08 -0400, Johannes von Ebersdorf
 wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:32:22 GMT, Ned Kelly
> wrote:

>>Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

>>Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
>>facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
>>government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
>>in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
>>officialy rescinded this useless policy.

>>Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
>>denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
>>including many states in the USA, as well as many sensible countries
>>throughout Asia.

>>At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
>>will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
>>incarceration costs either.

>>There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
>>their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
>>costs for them.

>So, great mind, how does your model deal with the large number of
>false convictions?

>There is simply no accountability for the death sentence. The people
>who send an innocent person to the gallows just shrug and go on with
>their lives.

>Accountability would, at minimum, involve the jury, the incompetent
>police officers that investigated the case, and the trial judge
>following their victim to the gallows. Any justice officials from the
>highest to the lowest that had any part in executing an innocent
>person should be subjected to summary execution with a revolver shot
>to the back of the head, preferrably on a public sidewalk in full view
>of passers-by.

The decision of a jury is based on whatever evidence is presented, whether by
the prosecution, or the defence counsel.

I agree with your sentiment that the lawyers involved in a false conviction,
together with all the crooked cops, and the judge, should likewise follow the
executed person into extermination.

>With that system in place, juries and judges would be really careful
>about handing out death sentences, which is as it should be.

>Executions have no place in civilized societies.

On the contrary, an executed criminal will never re-offend!



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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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No wonder the ZYDS do not want the GOYIM to know about this!!

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:42:10 -0400, "ElParedon"  wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust

>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and 
>Still Hide It From Us...]

>Archived for Scholarly Study
>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor


>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of 
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th 
>anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists 
>now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be reminded of the Unknown 
>Holocaust.

>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin 
>determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called 
>kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's 
>growing spirit of nationalism.

>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and 
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier 
>versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into 
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of 
>recalcitrant farmers.

>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU 
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many 
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of 
>death - mass starvation.

>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from 
>Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used 
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine 
>cased one million deaths.)

>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing 
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel. 
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar 
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet 
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of 
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named 
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.

>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch 
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus 
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.

>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made famine and 
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's archives, and 
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died. 
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five 
>percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated. Millions of victims.
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during 
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million 
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia, 
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR; 
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide 
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war 
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish. 
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes 
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and 
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both 
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent 
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the 
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.

>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's Jews by 
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been 
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler 
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before 
>the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or 
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. 
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty. 
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM 
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed 
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not see one 
>under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent Walter 
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of 
>famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million people were dying around 
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated 
>Duranty's lies.

>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical 
>roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the inevitable 
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of 
>Britain, the United States and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian 
>genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him 
>as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle 
>Joe," murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.

>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought 
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago, 
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state 
>pension.

>BTW, Stalin's real name Djugashvili, translates into "son of a Jew"




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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious  wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.


Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.



Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided, 
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs 
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile - owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete's sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.


On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Rob Welldum"  wrote in message 
>news:4291RNCI38823.7818518519@twistycreek.com...
>> Today's Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business - such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race!  Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant




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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:36:27 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 9, 9:29 am, Ned Kelly  wrote:

>[whining and complaining snipped]

>Hey Groseevenir!!

>When you pay your property taxes, do you use big bills like $50s and
>$100s?  Or do you prefer smaller denominations like twoonies and
>loonies.  (Can you carry all those coins, or do you need help?)

Why not adhere to the provisions of the Canada bank Act, and take in
$80.25 in coins, then small bills, in payment?



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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious  wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.


Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.



Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided, 
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs 
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile - owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete's sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.


On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Rob Welldum"  wrote in message 
>news:4291RNCI38823.7818518519@twistycreek.com...
>> Today's Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business - such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race!  Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant




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I believe that SHAW will be ignoring you, and your request for the information
about Greg Carr, because there is no Court Order to divulge this information.

In fact, until you PROVE in Court that Carr has broken any laws, for which a
Judge MAY grant an Order requiring Shaw to reveal confidential information,
Shaw will refuse to provide such information.

As for you and your claims, perhaps if YOUR personal information gets widely
publicised on internet, and certain people visit you, how will you like that?

By the way, what is the file number for your lawsuit, and what is the Trial
date set down?

Or, is this just a load of gastown bilge, since without an identifiable
Defendant, there is no case?


On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:43:06 -0800, Michael Yardley 
wrote:

>    I am Mr Carr's fannyboy and he has been attacking me for over
>three years in van.general with these personal attacks, not that
>anybody cares. This latest post of Mr Carr has landed him in Small
>Claims Court in Vancouver Bc CA where an action has started against
>him for defamation of character and harassment.
>
>    Mr Carr is a religious nut know to be against homosexuals. He
>believes
>in a non existent God call Yu'shua. He is a Usenet hound who
>continually attacks people in van.genenral he does not like and is
>generally a big troll. He was beaten up by a pimp in the Downtown
>East-
>side of Vancouver last year and he has a criminal record. I hope Mr
>Carr keeps on posting this crap about me as then I can get more money
>out of him when we get infront of the Small Claim judge.I am asking
>for the maximuim allowed in Small Claims $10,000. I will have to get
>his address from Shaw Cable, they have already been served with the
>papers and a motion to get Carr's address. The Case will be handle by
>a UBC Law Student who is
>interested in emerging Internet Law. I will on an ongoing report to
>van.general and edm.general what is going on with the case.
>
>    If Carr or anybody thinks they can post deragatory ongoing
>statements about them on the Net and prejdice their personal saftey
>they had better think again. The are big ethical questons posting
>people address's on the Net.Inlight of the 18 recent murders in the
>Lower Mainland.This is all part  of an emerging area of law realting
>to the Interent.
>
>   Mr Carr can save Shaws legal  bills by having to go to cournt with
>their lawyer by posting his address as I am sure he will. He has
>nothing to fear for his saftey and I can serve the papers on him and
>say hello at the same time and save Shaw Cable some money
>
>
>    Mr Carr is urging people to write my landlord and say I should be
>evicted. It is non of his fucking business where I live and he should
>mind his own fucking business. If anybody knows the Church he goes to
>please post it as I will personally write the Minister and tell them
>what a piece of shit Greg Carr is.I am fed up with religious nutcases
>we have enough where I live.
>.



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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:23:43 -0800, Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Nov 8, 6:29 pm, VictorRCurious  wrote:

>[usual whining and complaining snipped]

>I guess now we know why property taxes are going up.

>Grossievenor here is driving employers away from the city with all his
>bellyaching, and the rest of us have to pick up the load.


Actually, sensible business owners are fed up with paying for useless, to
them, projects which benefit only friends of the mare!!

That is why business owners are leaving Deadmonton as fast as they can, and
why potential businesses are advised to locate anywhere but here!!

Just look at the list of MAJOR businesses that have left, many without input
>from your favourite critic.

On the other hand, Calgary, and even communities surrounding Redmonton have
flourished because of the unsavoury reputation of the city mismamanaged by
Maurer, Mandel and their sycophants.



Notice that the loon Robert Welldumb just can not find even one point with
which to disagree as to the FACTS?

Guess even he must be in total agreement with allk the details provided, 
as to why business owners are listening to their accountants, and leaving
Deadmonton!!

Sharx and Grosvenor work for their clients, not for the fat slugs overpaid at
EDE, or those numbnuts overpaid on council!!

SOME of the businesses that have moved out of Deadmonton, and taken jobs 
when they left:
Allied Van Lines
Safeway Head Office
SHAW
Artisan Tile - owned by a Deadmonton Councillor!
Pepsi Cola
Coca Cola
Edmonton Crappers baseball team
All international airline flights to Europe and Asia!!
Levi-Strauss took 500 jobs alone

How many restaurants, bars, and gambling businesses have closed down, and jobs
lost because of communist council? Bingo halls and the charities depending on
them are going under all the time, thanks to the city council!!

Even NavCanada moved their operations out of Deadmonton.
Even the Tax Department/CRA have been quietly moving most of their jobs from
Deadmonton to Calgary.
So have EI/Employment Insurance
Passport processing was moved from Deadmonton to Vegreville, for pete's sake!

Soon, Deadmonton will be inhabited solely by welfare recipients, both native
and white trash, with goverment and businesses all having left.


On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:41:11 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"Rob Welldum"  wrote in message 
>news:4291RNCI38823.7818518519@twistycreek.com...
>> Today's Edmonton Journal [24 March 2006]in a feature article states that
>> Edmonton has lost many thousands of jobs, according to Statistics Canada.

>> This despite the ongoing lies from the overpaid staff at Edmonton
>> Economic Development, the recipients of more than $6 MILLION from the
>> poor taxpayers.

>> To add insult to injury, the fat overpaid hacks at EDE claim they do
>> not know why there is such a loss of jobs, when the economy of Alberta
>> is booming!!

>> How about a few suggestions for the jobs losses:
>> 1. Independent business owners resent having their taxes go to
>> subsidize another business - such as the $650,000 given last year to
>> the West Edmonton Mall car race!  Apparently the clowns on council
>> will be donating a similar sum to WEM again this summer!

>> 2. The wastage of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS by the Police Commission
>> in so-called severance pay to the former Chief whom THEY HAD FIRED FOR
>> JUST CAUSE! To add insult to injury, there was no provision in their
>> budget for this kickback!

>> 2. One major scandal after another, involving scams and the
>> police. The photo radar contract, where 2 junior cops are now charged
>> with receiving $437,000 in bribes from the US photo radar company. So
>> far, the chief of police involved is not yet charged.

>> Then, the papers for the past week are full of stories involving fraud
>> in connection with so-called police charities scamming the public.

>> 3. Irregularitioes involving the city tax assessment department,
>> where friends of city managers get extremely favourable valuations. A
>> taxpayer last year took the city to tax court, and proved that a
>> lawyer, had for 8 years, had his property deliberately UNDERASSESSED
>> EACH YEAR BY ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - $149,500 when
>> the lawyer had declared the value to be $600,000!!
>> No honest businessman likes to be subsidising crooks and friends of
>> crooked city staffers!

>> 4. Waste of more than $6 MILLION each year to EDE, when the Chamber
>> of Commerce which gets NO city or taxpayer cash, is in fact working to
>> bring businesses and jobs to town. It seems that the only jobs created
>> by or through EDE, are the jobs filled by the fat cats drawing the
>> high salaries with all kinds of expenses, but with no measurements of
>> their performance!!

>> 5. Waste of over $4.8 MILLION a year, to the overpaid goons of the
>> Redmonton Oilers team, where the minimum wage is over $600,000, yet
>> the taxpayers have to continue giving the team more millions each
>> year!! If they can not survive with subsidy, then like any other
>> business, let them go under, or leave town.

>> 6. Interference by city council in the normal business affairs
>> and operations of businesses. The anti-smoking laws have forced many
>> businesses, and even Legion branches to go under. Those surviving have
>> seen massive drops in their customers, resulting in fewer staff being
>> needed.

>> 7. City interference in airport convenience. When the city forced
>> the virtual closure of the in town city center airport, jobs were
>> lost, and many business people from northern communities have been
>> boycotting Edmonton accordingly. They find that it is no more
>> expensive, and far more convenient to fly to Calgary to do their
>> business and purchsing, rather than have to pay the exorbitant cab
>> fares to and from the Leduc airport, plus all the travel time wasted.

>> 8. Edmonton silly councillors are trying to hike their pay again,
>> after jacking up taxes to homeowners by more than 30% in the last few
>> years! They even get a third of their salaries TAX-FREE, which they do
>> not deserve for the rotten jobs they do. They should all be paid
>> around $30,000, with bonuses based on PERFORMANCE, such as tax
>> savings, cost reductions,recoveries from criminals, recoveries from
>> developers and WEM,and similar.

>> These are but SOME of the reasons that a business owner would consider
>> Edmonton NOT suitable for investment, compared to other communities in
>> northern Alberta.

>> Hell, even a city councillor, Mike Nickel was forced to relocate his
>> tile businesses OUT OF EDMONTON, to Leduc because of problems with
>> city managers!!

>> I am sure that Sharx and Grosvenor, both capable accountants, can give
>> lots of stories as to why their clients have chosen to leave town,
>> with all the jobs.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant




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I believe that SHAW will be ignoring you, and your request for the information
about Greg Carr, because there is no Court Order to divulge this information.

In fact, until you PROVE in Court that Carr has broken any laws, for which a
Judge MAY grant an Order requiring Shaw to reveal confidential information,
Shaw will refuse to provide such information.

As for you and your claims, perhaps if YOUR personal information gets widely
publicised on internet, and certain people visit you, how will you like that?

By the way, what is the file number for your lawsuit, and what is the Trial
date set down?

Or, is this just a load of gastown bilge, since without an identifiable
Defendant, there is no case?


On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:43:06 -0800, Michael Yardley 
wrote:

>    I am Mr Carr's fannyboy and he has been attacking me for over
>three years in van.general with these personal attacks, not that
>anybody cares. This latest post of Mr Carr has landed him in Small
>Claims Court in Vancouver Bc CA where an action has started against
>him for defamation of character and harassment.
>
>    Mr Carr is a religious nut know to be against homosexuals. He
>believes
>in a non existent God call Yu'shua. He is a Usenet hound who
>continually attacks people in van.genenral he does not like and is
>generally a big troll. He was beaten up by a pimp in the Downtown
>East-
>side of Vancouver last year and he has a criminal record. I hope Mr
>Carr keeps on posting this crap about me as then I can get more money
>out of him when we get infront of the Small Claim judge.I am asking
>for the maximuim allowed in Small Claims $10,000. I will have to get
>his address from Shaw Cable, they have already been served with the
>papers and a motion to get Carr's address. The Case will be handle by
>a UBC Law Student who is
>interested in emerging Internet Law. I will on an ongoing report to
>van.general and edm.general what is going on with the case.
>
>    If Carr or anybody thinks they can post deragatory ongoing
>statements about them on the Net and prejdice their personal saftey
>they had better think again. The are big ethical questons posting
>people address's on the Net.Inlight of the 18 recent murders in the
>Lower Mainland.This is all part  of an emerging area of law realting
>to the Interent.
>
>   Mr Carr can save Shaws legal  bills by having to go to cournt with
>their lawyer by posting his address as I am sure he will. He has
>nothing to fear for his saftey and I can serve the papers on him and
>say hello at the same time and save Shaw Cable some money
>
>
>    Mr Carr is urging people to write my landlord and say I should be
>evicted. It is non of his fucking business where I live and he should
>mind his own fucking business. If anybody knows the Church he goes to
>please post it as I will personally write the Minister and tell them
>what a piece of shit Greg Carr is.I am fed up with religious nutcases
>we have enough where I live.
>.



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After reading all the testimonials from happy buyers of big ticket items in
the USA, it will be worth our while, to join a bus tour group of shoppers to
either Spokane, or preferably Seattle, and spend, spend, spend.

If staying out of Canada for 48 hours, the $400 per person duty free
allowance, or $750 if out of Canada for a week, per person sure makes the trip
extremely attractive.

Maybe by the time enough Canadians spend all their money for Christmas in the
USA, instead of rip-off Canada, then maybe prices in Canada will fall to where
they can compete with US prices for identical items!!

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:31:53 -0000, OMG  wrote:
>On Oct 12, 7:37 am, JudgeLynch  wrote:

>> It sounds like it will be very profitable for those of us not at the border
>> communities, to actually get to Vancouver, and then cross to USA and spend
>> money where the prices are so much lower!!

>You are into hype aren't you?  Because that's all it is.  You keep
>festering on your same old delusional beliefs.

>You *may* make a profit on buying a car in the US and bringing it
>across the line to Canada, but not likely because as soon as you drive
>it off the lot, it takes a hit of around 30-35% depreciation. So, if
>you save 20% buy buying the US, you are already have lost 15%.

>You sound like your baiting or a real stupid, naive, and stubborn
>fuck. So anyway, come on down to Washington State and see for
>yourself.




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Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?

With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?

Was Harpo also involved at some time?
Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?


On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
wrote:

I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)

Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
head.

We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
on..

For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.

I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
Jack Layton?


On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:

>MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>CHANTAL HEBERT
>NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>Appeared on page A7
>It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>
>Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>
>Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>
>The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>libel suit.
>
>The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>
>Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>
>But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>then what it knows now.
>
>The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>controversy once.
>
>But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>
>It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>one of the father figures of his party.
>
>In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>held senior positions in his regime.
>
>But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>
>As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>ordering one.
>
>Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>regular contributor to the opinion section.
>
>
>



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To see a video about the KOSHER TAX, go to:

http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/1417/default.aspx

Thanks for posting this nice little introduction to the KosherNostra,
Tommy.

The Kosher industry is a fungus that has penetrated into every level of
US foods production, to the point that, even if you dig around 'til
you find a brand that *doesn't* bear the mark of the Kosher Beast,
most of the ingredients were still likely certified at some level, so
the Kashrus Khazars are still probably getting a cut.

The film indicates that a portion of the monies extracted from the
sleeping Gentiles in the Kosher racket goes to "support Israel"
(read OPPRESS PALESTINIANS), and this is almost undoubtedly the case.
The OU (Orthodox Union) is the Big Nose in the US Kash-R-Us market, and
they kick massive amounts of cash to support Zionist "causes" in
the Jewish State.

If the Khazars want to eat Kosher from a can, that's fine by me. But
let them pay for their own fetishes - pass around the plat at the ol'
synagogue. But it'd better be a damn BIG plate, as the film indicated
that they'd need to raise about 6 billion a year to replace the
monies that the Goyim currently unwittingly subsidize them.

One final note: As the film mentioned, some companies are now beginning
to balk - disbelieving the lies told them by the Kosher Racketeers, and
dumping certification.  Others are trying to get the best of both
worlds - for instance, right now I'm eating Planters Dry Roasted
Peanuts. On the package is a simple letter "K". It's not a
enclosed in a circle or a triangle, not enmeshed ins some fancy
pattern, just a simple "K" located approximately where an
"official" Kosher Symbol - owned by the racketeers- would be
placed.

This means that the company is self-regulating, and is NOT playing the
Kosher Racketeers game - OR paying them.    0:-(>

This is the company's way of telling the Kash-R-US Rabbis to take a
flying leap - as the Jews can't copyright the letter "K", (and
this drives these Food Nazis mad). Of course, Kosher Keeping Jew would
never buy the product because they know better - but the  "Kosher is
Better" Gentile consumer - those who have been duped into believing
that the Kosher seal somehow translates to mean a "better" product
(it doesn't - EVER) will never know the difference, and will buy it
anyway.


The shitty part for the Rabbinical Racketeers is that they CAN'T try
to educate the Gentile public on this matter - if they do, the jig'll
be up, and they'll soon be paying for their own picnic.  0:-(>


Will Planters (or Tabasco, etc) miss the Kosher Jewish market? Hell no!
Jews make up only about 2% of the US population, and only about 10% of
those are serious about keeping Kosher on a daily basis. To paraphrase
the ADL's article: The profit that companies make by selling mainline
products to Kosher Keeping Jews is SO low that "we can't even
calculate it".
**
Waldo
Observer at Large



Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
KOSHER TAX, who is more believable, them or liars such as you?

 Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
$30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!


On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:43:26 -0400, "zr"  wrote:

>You've got so much crap you should bottle it.
>Heinz & Libby both still have "cor" on their products. Just look on the back 
>of a bottle of Ketchup dimwit!
>Here is also another fact for you "herr grubber" the Heiress to the Heinz 
>fortune is a Jewess married to a Jew John F Kerry. You know the one, he ran 
>for President of the USA.
>Never mind Das Boat you get Das Boot imbecile.
>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:esbp729g8oqmc6h0b6hbodfj50rlfqgaa5@4ax.com...
>> Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

>> When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
>> KOSHER TAX, who is more beleivable, them or liars such as you?

>> Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
>> $30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!

>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!

>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:53:33 -0500, "zr"  wrote:
>>
>>>Pure Bullshit!
>>>Next you'll be telling everyone Hallal foods are a rip off. Then Cereal, 
>>>and
>>>baby food.
>>>How about dog food.
>>>Isn't that what you white trash racists eat.
>>
>>>"Jules Streiker"  wrote in message
>>>news:ps7lt11vqd26jm3sc17tvahpierd7qhtha@4ax.com...
>>>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>>>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>>>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!
>>>>
>>>> We do know that Philip Wolf a part-time kosher food inspector (sic)
>>>> in Calgary Canada testified in court that he gets $35,000 for his
>>>> part-time job!!
>>>>
>>>> Heinz/Libby finally got fed up this year,and stopped paying the
>>>> extortion tax!!
>>>>
>>>> Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
>>>> longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
>>>> like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
>>>> Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
>>>> Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
>>>> such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
>>>> qualified to do...
>>>>
>>>> Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
>>>> ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
>>>> hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!
>>>>
>>>>>From: norma2339@charter.net
>>>>>Newsgroups: wpg.general,calgary.general
>>>>>Subject: Re: Heinz Dumps KOSHER TAX-Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>>>>>Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:33:32 -0800
>>>>>"veranda"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:...
>>>>>> > >     veranda : the origins of Kosher are of very good value since 
>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>> > > teaches sanitary way of food storage , handling and preparation .
>>>>>> > > Those were valuable practices hundreds of years ago .
>>>>>> > >     The whole point is that Today it only duplicates the work of
>>>>>> > > Public Food Inspectors and therefore is an unjustified extra cost
>>>>
>>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9abc4e06.0304010305.50dc870e@posting.google.com...
>>>>>> > What duplication?  It is a symbol on the container and the cost 
>>>>>> > would
>>>>>> > not change in any way.  This "paranoia" is silly.
>>>>
>>>>>veranda : what 'paranoia' ?? we are talking about saving money .
>>>>>In order to have the Kosher mark on a product the manufacturer
>>>>>must subscribe to the Rabbi inspections ( just like Public
>>>>>Inspectors ) and the Rabbi are charging money for their services ,
>>>>>you knew that !
>>>>>Kosher is Israel's food inspectors , dear , not in Canada though ,
>>>>>we got our own  !  :)
>>>>
>>>>>Well, to set the record straight.  The Rabbinate council that approves
>>>>>something Kosher according to milk and meat products probably got a
>>>>>flat fee and if the company continued to raise the prices that counsel
>>>>>doesn't really care.  It is not an item by item thing.  With the
>>>>>Kosher diet it matters what foods are eate together (and never mil and
>>>>>meat) and one eats mostly milk meals, because the time period between
>>>>>those types of meals is longer after meat (a much heavier meal in the
>>>>>day.)
>>>>
>>>>>What would it save you--less than $10 a year.
>>>>
>>>>>All countries have their own Rabbinate Cousels, so don't think that it
>>>>>is just Canada with their own.  Maybe it is the Canadian Rabbis who
>>>>>have demanded more money?
>>>>
>>>>>Or, perhaps Philip Wolf, the KOSHER FOOD INSPECTOR in Calgary wanted
>>>>>more than the $35,000 a year he got for duplicating the work of the
>>>>>Canadian authorities?? Apparently, his part-time stamps business
>>>>>couldn't make any money either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:25:20 -0600, Boris Dynin 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Further to the article below about Heinz/Libby, the smaller article
>>>>>following sheds more light on the KOSHER NOSTRA EXTORTION TAX!!
>>>>
>>>>>The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>>>>>by Ernesto Cienfuegos
>>>>>La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>
>>>>>Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>>receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers
>>>>>and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our
>>>>>attention.
>>>>
>>>>>Last week we received an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance
>>>>>of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found
>>>>>printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
>>>>>products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we
>>>>>do some research into the subject. What we found
>>>>>certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
>>>>
>>>>>On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
>>>>>verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
>>>>>most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
>>>>>Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>>>>>similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>>>>>Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper
>>>>>container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic
>>>>>sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.
>>>>
>>>>>We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies
>>>>>to ask some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the
>>>>>Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>>>>>plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as
>>>>>most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages
>>>>>for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
>>>>>products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the
>>>>>(U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
>>>>>until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
>>>>>that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher".
>>>>
>>>>>We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
>>>>>whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and
>>>>>other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
>>>>>Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
>>>>>the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
>>>>>she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
>>>>>but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>>>>>Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
>>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>>What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
>>>>>that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
>>>>>amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
>>>>>receive protection.
>>>>
>>>>>This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
>>>>>the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer
>>>>>the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>>>>>not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>>>>>other similar markings.
>>>>
>>>>>Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>>>>>sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>>>>>perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually
>>>>>Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
>>>>>western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation
>>>>>in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The
>>>>>(U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan
>>>>>and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue
>>>>>in New York City.
>>>>
>>>>>The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
>>>>>amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
>>>>>Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
>>>>>full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.
>>>>
>>>>>The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
>>>>>approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
>>>>>certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
>>>>>boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food
>>>>>companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish
>>>>>dominated media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in
>>>>>bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed
>>>>>on to the consumer anyway. The food companies have kept secret from
>>>>>the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the amount
>>>>>of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
>>>>
>>>>>It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
>>>>>manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the
>>>>>"Kosher Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200
>>>>>Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and then a
>>>>>large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly,
>>>>>the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows
>>>>>up to "inspect" the company's operations.
>>>>>Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
>>>>>lucrative salaries.
>>>>
>>>>>The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food
>>>>>companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
>>>>>estimated to be in the BILLIONS since the scam first started. The
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep the amount
>>>>>of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote
>>>>>about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing about
>>>>>it now.
>>>>
>>>>>Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
>>>>>eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public
>>>>>education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of
>>>>>all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I
>>>>>certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee"
>>>>>or "kosher plastic sandwich bags".
>>>>>In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
>>>>>for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright attorneys
>>>>>out there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and
>>>>>other non-Jewish people?
>>>>>* * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>>
>>>>>CONGRATULATIONS TO HEINZ/LIBBY FOR STARTING THE
>>>>>ANTI-KOSHER NOSTRA REVOLT!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Further to the article below, today's Southam newspapers
>>>>>report that Canadian Jew News stated that Heinz Canada
>>>>>have removed the Koosher Tax Certification from almost
>>>>>all Heinz products.
>>>>
>>>>>Heinz declared this was done " to keep costs down" according
>>>>>to Heinz spokeman Anna Relyea.
>>>>
>>>>>To save money Heinz stopped the KOSHER TAX on tomato sauces
>>>>>and pastes, vinegar and mustard, and also jars of baby foods.
>>>>>Also, the KOSHER TAX was dropped on all domestic beans,
>>>>>including those sold under the Libby's label.
>>>>
>>>>>Naturally, the ZHID rabbis who made a killing in fees from
>>>>>the KOSHER TAX are now complaining, according to Rabbi
>>>>>Mordechai Levin, executive director of COR(Council of
>>>>>Orthodox Rabbis).
>>>>
>>>>>Good for Heinz!! Perhaps now more firms will join the
>>>>>refusal to pay the KOSHER TAX!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>From: tyler 
>>>>>>Newsgroups: calgary.general,soc.culture.jewish,edm.general
>>>>>>Subject: You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs
>>>>>>consumers
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:55:49 GMT
>>>>
>>>>>>You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers
>>>>
>>>>>>It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
>>>>>>food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
>>>>>>proof is easily found.
>>>>
>>>>>>COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
>>>>>>Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
>>>>>>aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
>>>>>>if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
>>>>>>to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
>>>>>>to religious law then the product is certified as kosher.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The following has been snipped from:
>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>>>>
>>>>>>Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
>>>>>>rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
>>>>>>are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
>>>>>>organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
>>>>>>certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
>>>>>>food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.
>>>>
>>>>>>The website explains:
>>>>
>>>>>>Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
>>>>>>begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
>>>>>>every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
>>>>>>agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
>>>>>>step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
>>>>>>equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
>>>>>>close investigation and supervision.
>>>>
>>>>>>The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
>>>>>>source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
>>>>>>the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
>>>>>>kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
>>>>>>(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
>>>>>>manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
>>>>>>The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
>>>>>>investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.
>>>>
>>>>>>The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
>>>>>>authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
>>>>>>ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
>>>>>>changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
>>>>>>acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
>>>>>>on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
>>>>>>contract and then sent to the manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>>>>The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>>>>>>non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>>>>>>Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
>>>>>>depending on the gross annual sales of the product.
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>>>The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
>>>>>>the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
>>>>>>that!
>>>>
>>>>>>...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
>>>>>>likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
>>>>>>annual sales of the product.
>>>>
>>>>>>The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
>>>>>>friends and neighbours if they  know what COR means. Unless they are
>>>>>>Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
>>>>>>because something is certified.
>>>>
>>>>>>tyler
>>>>>>the consumer watchdog!!!
>>>>
>>>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>>>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>>>
>>>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>>>
>>>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>>>> is a revolutionary act."
>>>> (George Orwell)
>>>>
>>>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>>>
>>>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>>>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>>>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>>>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>>>
>>>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>>>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>>>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>>>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>>>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>>>
>>>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>>>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>>>> and impossible to ignore."
>>>> --John Bryant
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Michael's
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>>>> is
>>>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a 
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>>>>
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>>>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:39:12 GMT, "princeandy"  wrote:

>It might not stop them, but sure as hell makes sure they wont offend again.

A lot of good ideas!

Now definitely needed for the members of the pedofilia party in
Holland!!

Also, for judges in Canada releasing repeat child molesters!!

Sensible places such as Texas, Singapore and Saudi Arabia use the 
DP to get rid of serious criminals.


On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:06:56 -0600, Ken McVaySOBC
 wrote:

>Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have approved
>special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags!!

>In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get their just
>punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!


>>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags!!

>>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>>of televising executions.

>>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>>but not limited to such, would include:
>
>>         AIDS spreaders
>>         rapists
>>         drug dealers
>>         home invaders
>>         armed robbers
>>         pederasts and similar child molesters
>>         crooked liars/lawyers
>>         corrupt judges
>>         corrupt politicians
>>         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>>         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>>         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>>              criminals being released
>>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:
>>         any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
>>                obviously  include most faggots
>>        white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>>                dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>>                how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)


>>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>>         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>>         vivisection
>>         medical experiments without anaesthetic
>>         target practice for police and military
>>         beheading
>>         hanging
>>         barbecueing by electrocution
>>         drawing & quartering

>>Additional methods of execution have been suggested, such as:
>>	guillotining, very popular in France
>>	flaying alive until dead
>>	stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

>>More suggestions for both categories are invited.


>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant

>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431

>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.

>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473


>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com

>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.


>>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:27:02 -0600, "Robert Sveinson"
>> wrote:
>>>"Roedy Green"  wrote in message
>>>news:81ptr0pj2ibnkktvdlh3ngrr09jgjih5d9@4ax.com...
>>>> The Iraqis are hopelessly outgunned, yet to everyone's surprise that
>>>> tiny country has held the biggest military in the world at bay.

>>>> One of their most successful techniques has been beheadings, and
>>>> releasing videos. This creates maximum horror with minimal loss of
>>>> life.

>>>> I think they could improve on the productions to make clear they are
>>>> in retaliation.

>>>> So I think the next beheading video should be spliced or split screen
>>>> with shots of dozens of people Americans have beheaded with their
>>>> bombs and machine gun fire.

>>>> I think they should branch out from beheadings, partly because
>>>> beheadings are too unreal.  They need something the man in the street
>>>> can more relate to.

>>>> I suggest, removing fingernails and toenails, removing or splitting
>>>> the penis, crushing the testicles in a vice, gouging out an eye with
>>>> a popsicle stick, allowing rats to nibble, nails through the hands and
>>>> feet, throwing darts at a target painted on the stomach, rubbing
>>>> rotting dead baby corpse goo over Americans stretched naked and then
>>>> slashing with knives to create gangrenous infections to be
>>>> photographed in stop motion, squeezing lemon juice into wounds.

>>>> Play with common phobias, e.g. spiders, snakes, scorpions, rats,
>>>> heights. E.g. video falling to death from a tall building with cameras
>>>> situated at top, bottom and attached to the victim.

>>>> Since Bush started the sexual abuse, and condones child rape, how
>>>> about killing a man with ever larger things shoved up his ass, pounded
>>>> home with a sledgehammer till he splits like a watermelon.

>>>> Of course any such violence must be justified by showing video of at
>>>> least a dozen instances of Americans doing something similar first.

>>>> "Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
>>>> Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor of Hitler
>>>> nor of Mussolini."
>>>> ~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
>>>>   on Bush's atrocities in the Iraq war.

>>>> Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
>>>> See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes




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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:55:40 GMT, Art Franks 
wrote:

>A lot of good ideas!

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:06:56 -0600, Ken McVaySOBC 
>wrote:

>Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have approved
>special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags!!

>In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get their just
>punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!


>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags!!

>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>of televising executions.

>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>but not limited to such, would include:

>         AIDS spreaders
>         rapists
>         drug dealers
>         home invaders
>         armed robbers
>         pederasts and similar child molesters
>         crooked liars/lawyers
>         corrupt judges
>         corrupt politicians
>         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>              criminals being released
>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:
>         any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
>                obviously  include most faggots
>        white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>                dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>                how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)


>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>         vivisection
>         medical experiments without anaesthetic
>         target practice for police and military
>         beheading
>         hanging
>         barbecueing by electrocution
>         drawing & quartering

>Additional methods of execution have been suggested, such as:
>	guillotining, very popular in France
>	flaying alive until dead
>	stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

>More suggestions for both categories are invited.


>>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>>is a revolutionary act." 
>>(George Orwell)

>>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

>>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>>and impossible to ignore."
>>--John Bryant


>>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>>JEW-WATCH:
>>http://www.jewwatch.com

>>Or, other useful websites include:
>>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>>IHR - www.ihr.org
>>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.






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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:54:04 -0800, Jay  wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> Why is Steven Harper refusing to have RCMP prosecute his mentor 
>> Brian Mulroney for CRIMINAL PERJURY regarding the Airbus Affair?
>> 
>> With CBC documenting the bribery with documents and testimony from 
>> Karl-Heinz Schreiber, what is Harpo covering up?
>> 
>> Was Harpo also involved at some time?
>> Is that why he will not have the RCMP arrest Mulroney?
>
>You'd have to weigh in a few factors, including the cost of a civil 
>matter, or the inquiry beforehand. Is it worth it? I doubt it. Millions 
>more would be spent on something where there would be no return on the 
>investment when the day is done.


Many taxpayers would gladly pay, for Mulroney to not only be found guilty of
perjury, and accepting bribes, but to also have him convicted and sentenced to
prison!!

>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:49 GMT, in can.general "a.wilson" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm disappointed at Canada's reaction, nobody seems to give two shits (other
>> than the opposition windbags in Parliament.)
>> 
>> Mulroney, according to everything I've read, lied to Canada and perjured
>> himself.  We apologized and paid the guy $2.1million.  How can the
>> conservative government sit on their hands through this.  I'm shaking my
>> head.
>> 
>> We can't let stuff like this go, this is the start of a slippery slope.  We
>> need to be writing/emailing/calling our MPs about this - if this slides then
>> the Canadian public has sent a message, loud and clear, that we'll allow
>> this kind of blatant corruption.  And if we'll allow this kind of blatant
>> corruption, then someone will try something a little bit bigger.  And so
>> on..
>> 
>> For an example of what happens when a country lets little things go for
>> years, see the current massive sleaze/bribery/fraud in the USA.
>> 
>> I can't vote for Dion.  I'm a supporter of the Conservatives, but if the
>> Harper government doesn't do anything about this then I can't vote for him.
>> Jack Layton?
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:47:24 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"  wrote:
>> 
>>> MULRONEY PROBE WOULD BE COSTLY
>>> CHANTAL HEBERT
>>> NATIONAL AFFAIRS
>>> Published Monday November 5th, 2007
>>> Appeared on page A7
>>> It is excessively rare for a party in opposition to ask for a public inquiry
>>> into events that took place on its watch as a government and even rarer for
>>> the prime minister of the day to resist the temptation to say yes.
>>>
>>> Yet that is exactly what happened this week when the Liberals called on
>>> Prime Minister Stephen Harper to revisit a $2.1 million settlement awarded
>>> to Brian Mulroney in 1997.
>>>
>>> Back then, Jean Chrétien's government had to apologize publicly for linking
>>> Mulroney's name to a criminal investigation involving German businessman
>>> Karlheinz Schreiber. At the time, Mulroney insisted he had had no dealings
>>> with Schreiber. Since then, much contrary information has come to light.
>>>
>>> The former prime minister did receive $300,000 in cash from Schreiber for
>>> unspecified services in 1993-94. This week the CBC and The Globe and Mail
>>> reported that Mulroney reported those earnings to Revenue Canada only years
>>> after the fact. The payments were not in the picture at the time of his
>>> libel suit.
>>>
>>> The issue is not whether the former prime minister engaged in criminal
>>> activities. After years of digging, the RCMP has closed its investigation in
>>> the matter. There is no evidence that Mulroney knew that the source of the
>>> money he got from Schreiber was potentially tainted.
>>>
>>> Revenue Canada is also satisfied that Mulroney's tax affairs are in order.
>>>
>>> But that still leaves open the question of whether he would have received a
>>> multi-million-dollar settlement in 1997 if the justice department had known
>>> then what it knows now.
>>>
>>> The opposition may be right in arguing that it would take an inquiry to get
>>> a comprehensive answer. Mulroney, who devoted more than 1,000 pages to his
>>> recently published memoirs, did not mention Schreiber or the lingering
>>> controversy once.
>>>
>>> But closure on the matter would come at a high price. A public inquiry would
>>> cost more than the amount at stake. A lot of taxpayers' money would end up
>>> lining the pockets of an army of lawyers.
>>>
>>> It is fair to ask whether the partisan hope of scoring a few points on the
>>> Conservatives rather than public interest is driving Liberal calls for an
>>> inquiry. By the same token, it is also fair to wonder whether Harper would
>>> be more zealous in searching for the truth if Mulroney did not happen to be
>>> one of the father figures of his party.
>>>
>>> In theory, the Prime Minister has more than enough degrees of separation
>>>from Mulroney to weather any finding about his Tory predecessor. Harper had
>>> no input in the decision to compensate him. At the time, he was not even a
>>> member of the same party. While some of his current MPs - including
>>> Attorney-General Rob Nicholson - were first elected under Mulroney, none
>>> held senior positions in his regime.
>>>
>>> But the former prime minister remains a central figure in the Conservative
>>> party. That is particularly - but not exclusively - true in Quebec, where
>>> the Airbus controversy never had much resonance. Mulroney also bridges the
>>> sensitive fault line that still separates many former Tories from their
>>> ex-Reform foes within the reunited party.
>>>
>>> As Prime Minister, Harper would have no cause to fear the conclusions of a
>>> public inquiry into Mulroney's past dealings with the Chrétien government,
>>> but as leader, he would greatly upset his party's fragile balance by
>>> ordering one.
>>>
>>> Chantal Hebert is a syndicated columnist for the Toronto Star. She is a
>>> regular contributor to the opinion section.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 



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SAS are now suing Bombardier for around 900 million krona in damages,
following crashes involving unsafe landing gear on the Bombardier Q400.

As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due to
unsafe Bombardier aircraft. 

Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and Quantas still are flying Bombardier
aircraft. Guess people in Ozland take along rabbit feet?

Perhaps passengers should refuse to fly on Bombardier aircraft, citing safety?

With more lawsuits pending, how much longer will Bombardier survive?

Time for the Canadian government to stop subsidizing this bunch of scammaers
in Quebec, and let them go under.

Coming on top of a BOYCOTT of Bombardier because of its' unethical business
practices, regarding sales of its' products in the USA to Canadians - ordering
US dealers to swindle Canadians by charging an extra 30% - just to keep prices
high to Canadians, Bombardier DESERVES TO GO UNDER!!

The competition, such as BAC, EMBRAER especially, and US plane manufacturers
will now have a field day all around the world, detailing all the crashes and
failures of Bombardier.

Perhaps even the LRT systems from Bombardier also have inherent defects?
Their trains in the USA had many problems as well!!


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With experts such as Brian Rigg documenting ZYDS in the Wehrmacht, up to
General Milch, of course the zionazis do not want this publicised, that they
aided the Germans!!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:25 -0600, Art@Arthurian.com wrote:

>No wonder ZYDS do not want this made public, for they fear 
>reprisals by non-ZYDS/Christians who get to know the truth =  Pravda!Wahr!

>From: "Johnny" 
>Newsgroups:talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iraq,
>soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.german
>Subject: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


>From: The Truth Seeker 

>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

>By Lenni Brenner

>Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
>the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
>surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
>supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
>anti-semitic of regimes.

>Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous Stern
>Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
>Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
>is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
>Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
>national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
>as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

>These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
>of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
>establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
>willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
>the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
>travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

>These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
>history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
>not quite what it seems.

>They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
>precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
>million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
>the greater goal of a Zionist State.

>The Truth Seeker has spoken.


>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
> wrote:
>>Reply-To: "George" ,
>>PRAWDA!

>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>> wrote:

>>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>>isolated incident!!

>>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  

>>>>September 2004, page 86 
>>>>Book Review

>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>>$15.

>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>>new Jewish nation. 

>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>>glossary and index.

>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>>same concept. 

>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>>threatened European brethren.

>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>>18, 1943:

>>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)

>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.

>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>>examining Zionism.


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur ,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the
like.



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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for the ZYDS,
then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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Re: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich-pure bullshit neo-Nazi propaganda!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:24 GMT, in soc.culture.german Al Smith
 wrote:
> "Al Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:JjNVi.50377$G25.42434@edtnps89...
>>> >> The Germans murdered  six million Jews including infants, unborn,  babies,
>>> >> little chidren, teen agers and any German whose grandparents who 
>>> >> was a Jew.
>>> >> There were no Jews serving in Hitlers Reich in WWII.
>>> >> The propaganda is fakery and there is not a shred of evidence that 
>>> >> a single Jew was ever permitted to be in the German Army in WWII.

>> > That's a bit unlikely, don't you think? That *no* Jews were serving 
>> > in Hitler's Reich? Seems to me that quite a few Jews or half-Jews 
>> > would have been in the bureaucracy, and even in the
> 
> Google: "Jews serving in Hitlers"
> 
> And you will find it is pure bullshit.
> In reality the Nazis exterminated even born & raised Christians who 
> had Jewish parents or grandparents.

I did Google. This author seems to disagree with you:

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/020705/army.shtml

And this one:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

And then there's this guy:

http://christianparty.net/wm/wm0076a.html

All of them seem to think that there were many Jews serving in the 
German military under Hitler. Which is what I would assume, 
intuitively. It just makes sense. Many Jews hid their identities. 
Many were associated with the military before the rise of the 
Nazis. I would expect there to have been thousands of Jews in the 
armed forces of the Third Reich, actively serving as combat soldiers.

And never forget the detailed book by Prof. Brian Rigg!

Just because it is deemed politically incorrect today for them to 
have done this, does not mean it never happened.

-Al-



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Re: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich-pure bullshit neo-Nazi propaganda!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:24:24 GMT, in soc.culture.german Al Smith
 wrote:
> "Al Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:JjNVi.50377$G25.42434@edtnps89...
>>> >> The Germans murdered  six million Jews including infants, unborn,  babies,
>>> >> little chidren, teen agers and any German whose grandparents who 
>>> >> was a Jew.
>>> >> There were no Jews serving in Hitlers Reich in WWII.
>>> >> The propaganda is fakery and there is not a shred of evidence that 
>>> >> a single Jew was ever permitted to be in the German Army in WWII.

>> > That's a bit unlikely, don't you think? That *no* Jews were serving 
>> > in Hitler's Reich? Seems to me that quite a few Jews or half-Jews 
>> > would have been in the bureaucracy, and even in the
> 
> Google: "Jews serving in Hitlers"
> 
> And you will find it is pure bullshit.
> In reality the Nazis exterminated even born & raised Christians who 
> had Jewish parents or grandparents.

I did Google. This author seems to disagree with you:

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/020705/army.shtml

And this one:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

And then there's this guy:

http://christianparty.net/wm/wm0076a.html

All of them seem to think that there were many Jews serving in the 
German military under Hitler. Which is what I would assume, 
intuitively. It just makes sense. Many Jews hid their identities. 
Many were associated with the military before the rise of the 
Nazis. I would expect there to have been thousands of Jews in the 
armed forces of the Third Reich, actively serving as combat soldiers.

And never forget the detailed book by Prof. Brian Rigg!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


On Tue,  2 Oct 2007 18:12:37 +0000 (UTC), FrankArthur 
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 May 2007 21:48:06 -0400, in soc.culture.jewish "ElParedon"
> wrote:

>http://www.bryanrigg.com/jewish_soldiers_pics.htm

>ENJOY!

>(If it doesn't open with Firefox, try other browsers)

>On 10 Apr 2007 20:52:09 -0700, in alt.revisionism ralphgordon@mail.com 
>wrote:

>Probably many here have heard of Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold
>Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German
>Military by Bryan Mark Rigg, and published by the University Press of
>Kansas ( http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html )


Just because it is deemed politically incorrect today for them to 
have done this, does not mean it never happened.

-Al-



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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.


>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks - in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.


>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a "crisis meeting" with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!!  In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to "take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens".

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!



>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, "Paul"  wrote:
>>>"Craig Welch"  wrote in message 
>>>news:05tci3p2r6alippljpsofvojef7csddj21@4ax.com...
>>>> Ned Kelly  said:
>
>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due 
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and 
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.
>
>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.
>
>>>> Craig                           http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.
>
>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747
>
>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606 
>



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With experts such as Brian Rigg documenting ZYDS in the Wehrmacht, 
up to General Milch, of course the zionazis do not want this publicised, 
that they aided the Germans!!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:25 -0600, Art@Arthurian.com wrote:

>No wonder ZYDS do not want this made public, for they fear 
>reprisals by non-ZYDS/Christians who get to know the truth =  Pravda!Wahr!

>From: "Johnny" 
>Newsgroups:talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iraq,
>soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.german
>Subject: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


>From: The Truth Seeker 

>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

>By Lenni Brenner

>Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
>the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
>surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
>supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
>anti-semitic of regimes.

>Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous Stern
>Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
>Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
>is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
>Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
>national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
>as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

>These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
>of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
>establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
>willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
>the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
>travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

>These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
>history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
>not quite what it seems.

>They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
>precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
>million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
>the greater goal of a Zionist State.

>The Truth Seeker has spoken.


>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
> wrote:
>>Reply-To: "George" ,
>>PRAWDA!

>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>> wrote:

>>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>>isolated incident!!

>>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  

>>>>September 2004, page 86 
>>>>Book Review

>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>>$15.

>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>>new Jewish nation. 

>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>>glossary and index.

>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>>same concept. 

>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>>threatened European brethren.

>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>>18, 1943:

>>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)

>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.

>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>>examining Zionism.


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur ,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the
like.



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Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
officialy rescinded this useless policy.

Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
including many states in the uSa, as well as many sensible countries
throughout Asia.

At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
incarceration costs either.

There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
costs for them.


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So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.


>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks - in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.


>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a "crisis meeting" with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!!  In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to "take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens".

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!



>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, "Paul"  wrote:
>>>"Craig Welch"  wrote in message 
>>>news:05tci3p2r6alippljpsofvojef7csddj21@4ax.com...
>>>> Ned Kelly  said:
>
>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due 
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and 
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.
>
>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.
>
>>>> Craig                           http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.
>
>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747
>
>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606 
>



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With experts such as Brian Rigg documenting ZYDS in the Wehrmacht, 
up to General Milch, of course the zionazis do not want this publicised, 
that they aided the Germans!!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:25 -0600, Art@Arthurian.com wrote:

>No wonder ZYDS do not want this made public, for they fear 
>reprisals by non-ZYDS/Christians who get to know the truth =  Pravda!Wahr!

>From: "Johnny" 
>Newsgroups:talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iraq,
>soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.german
>Subject: Jewish Soldiers of the Nazi Third Reich

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGMWeKjCqWE


>From: The Truth Seeker 

>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

>By Lenni Brenner

>Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>movement collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given
>the subsequent Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be
>surprised and appalled that a political movement, which supposedly
>supported Jewish liberation, was prepared to collaborate with the most
>anti-semitic of regimes.

>Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous Stern
>Gang Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak
>Shamir offers to join in WWII on Œthe side of the German Reich¹. There
>is also the embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the
>Nazis as fellow nationalists and were thus sympathetic to ŒGerman
>national renewal¹, the memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine
>as the guest of the Zionist movement for 6 months.

>These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe
>of the Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour
>establishment when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a
>willing paid informer of the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of
>the architects of the Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also
>travelled to Palestine to liaise with the Zionists.

>These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the
>history of the political movement which founded the state of Israel is
>not quite what it seems.

>They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their
>precious political movement, even if it means sacrificing several
>million Jews in the process, then exploiting their suffering to secure
>the greater goal of a Zionist State.

>The Truth Seeker has spoken.


>On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:08:04 -0700, Ken McVayAIDS/SOB
> wrote:
>>Reply-To: "George" ,
>>PRAWDA!

>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:14:47 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>> wrote:

>>>The story documented below means that the KASTNER CASE was not an
>>>isolated incident!!

>>Now even Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to be a Nazi GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis  

>>>>September 2004, page 86 
>>>>Book Review

>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:
>>>>$15.

>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has
>>>>compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and
>>>>judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array
>>>>of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperration with the
>>>>Nazis. On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi
>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist
>>>>plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a
>>>>new Jewish nation. 

>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.
>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>others written in response. These latter do indicate levels of
>>>>collaboration between Zionists and fascists, both the Nazis in
>>>>Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy. Brenner’s brief explanatory
>>>>notes at the beginning of each document are helpful, as are the
>>>>glossary and index.

>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>>they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus
>>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>>same concept. 

>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust
>>>>guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>>threatened European brethren.

>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>>18, 1943:

>>>>And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:
>>>>“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact
>>>>that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)

>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>>as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>>it that way. From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,
>>>>“assimilation” of Jews into the societies in which they lived was not
>>>>an acceptable option. Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on
>>>>a national level, not a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is
>>>>impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is
>>>>different from his own” (p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is
>>>>first and foremost not a refuge for East European Jews, but the
>>>>incarnation of a reawakening sense of national solidarity” (p. 29).
>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the Stern Gang, wrote the
>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference—and,
>>>>therefore, racial supremacy—were practiced around the world.

>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives—both Palestinian and
>>>>Israeli—in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>>examining Zionism.


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
John Bryant


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur ,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the
like.



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Subject: Re: Canada No Longer To Repatriate Criminals To Avoid Execution!!
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:32:08 -0400, Johannes von Ebersdorf
 wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 00:32:22 GMT, Ned Kelly
> wrote:

>>Finally, the Canadian government has shown some 'cojones'.

>>Where previously, convicted murderers and similar serious criminals 
>>facing the death penalty in a foreign jurisdiction , could expect the
>>government of Canada to ask for them to be repatriated to serve time 
>>in a Canadian "Club Fed" facility, now the Canadian government have 
>>officialy rescinded this useless policy.

>>Killers, rapists, child molesters, druggies, armed robbers and similar
>>denizens can now expect the death penalty in many jurisdictions
>>including many states in the USA, as well as many sensible countries
>>throughout Asia.

>>At least those places executing criminals realise that an executed criminal
>>will never re-offend, and if executed promptly, will not cost that much in
>>incarceration costs either.

>>There are already a few nervous Canadian criminals in US prisons awaiting
>>their executions, so the Canadian taxpayers will now not have to worry about
>>costs for them.

>So, great mind, how does your model deal with the large number of
>false convictions?

>There is simply no accountability for the death sentence. The people
>who send an innocent person to the gallows just shrug and go on with
>their lives.

>Accountability would, at minimum, involve the jury, the incompetent
>police officers that investigated the case, and the trial judge
>following their victim to the gallows. Any justice officials from the
>highest to the lowest that had any part in executing an innocent
>person should be subjected to summary execution with a revolver shot
>to the back of the head, preferrably on a public sidewalk in full view
>of passers-by.

The decision of a jury is based on whatever evidence is presented, whether by
the prosecution, or the defence counsel.

I agree with your sentiment that the lawyers involved in a false conviction,
together with all the crooked cops, and the judge, should likewise follow the
executed person into extermination.

>With that system in place, juries and judges would be really careful
>about handing out death sentences, which is as it should be.

>Executions have no place in civilized societies.

On the contrary, an executed criminal will never re-offend!



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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:04:49 -0400, "El Conquistador" 
wrote:

>'Misuse of Canada's identity' questioned in Israeli spy operation

>Stewart Bell
>National Post

>A SENIOR Cabinet official questioned the head of Israel's security service 
>about allegations Israeli undercover agents posed as Canadians during an 
>operation to assassinate a Palestinian terrorist leader, newly released 
>documents show.

>Although Ottawa has said publicly it was convinced all along the spy claims 
>were false, internal documents obtained yesterday show the matter has 
>continued to concern the government and has been the subject of 
>behind-the-scenes diplomacy.

>In a confidential report, officials said they were concerned about "other 
>countries' intelligence services misusing Canada's identity" and that "such 
>misuse endangers Canadians travelling around the world and undermines the 
>integrity of Canadian passports."

>Ronald Bilodeau, the Privy Council Office security and intelligence 
>co-ordinator and Cabinet assistant secretary, met on Oct. 1 with the head of 
>the Israeli Security Agency, whose spies allegedly used false Canadian 
>identities during the operation in Gaza.

>"The ISA is reported to have recently had its agents pose as Canadians to 
>lure a Palestinian, 22-year-old Akram Zatmeh, into informing on Intifada 
>leaders in return for promises of resettlement in Canada," according to a 
>"Secret: Canadian Eyes Only" memo prepared for the meeting.

>  The documents do not describe the response of the ISA chief, who reports 
>directly to Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister. Israel has denied the 
>claims. But the papers show Ottawa was worried about being linked to a spy 
>operation and a botched assassination that killed 14 bystanders, nine of 
>them children.

>The allegations surfaced in August, when Mr. Zatmeh publicly detailed how he 
>was lured into becoming an Israeli informant by agents who told him they 
>were Canadians and could help him immigrate. Mr. Zatmeh said he was 
>recruited by three "Canadian" agents who brought him to the Canadian embassy 
>in Tel Aviv before coercing him into helping them, with doctored photos that 
>showed him with naked women.

>On July 23, Mr. Zatmeh helped Israeli agents pinpoint the location of Sheik 
>Salah Shehadeh, a Hamas leader. Twenty minutes later, an Israeli F-16 fired 
>a one-tonne missile at the building, killing not only the sheik but also 
>more than a dozen bystanders.

>Mr. Zatmeh was later arrested as a collaborator and is facing a possible 
>death sentence.

>"Our initial concern ... was that the press articles could be seen by some 
>as alleging Canadian involvement with Israel in the assassination of Sheik 
>Salah Shehadeh," according to an Aug. 29 internal government memo. "Canada 
>has nothing to do with this or with any other purported Israeli operation."

>After the Post learned of the informant's allegations, officials told the 
>newspaper on Sept. 4 they were satisfied the claims were false. However, 
>hours after the Post report on Sept. 5, John McNee, assistant deputy 
>minister for Africa and the Mideast, discussed the matter with Haim Divon, 
>Israel's ambassador to Canada.




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On Tue, 30 May 2006 12:19:07 -0000, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein 
wrote:

>On 2006-05-30, le Corbeau  wrote ... 

>> wow! is Jew boy a pedophile too??? Such a pervert, his parents must be
>> mortified!

Why do you think that Dezi's dad, a cop, committed suicide?


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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:22:22 GMT, "Georgio Salavantinizi"
 wrote:

>Can't people stop bringing up the past about WWII and the awful crap that 
>took place?

>Yes it was a bad war, tens of millions died. Not just Jews, but people from 
>all sides. Now, the pagan atheist Hitler is gone and so is his pagan atheist 
>Nazi party.

>It's back to JudeoChristianity again and things have calmed down. People are 
>having fun, good humor is back again, and the problems of the past are just 
>that; of the past.

The TRUTH must be exposed, to avoid making similar mistakes again.

The ZYDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS, to benefit themselves only!!


>"Marek Maciej Ziemba"  wrote in message 
>news:cfa6c52b4528b0b915763ae35ae23915@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>> Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
>> offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
>> Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
>> held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
>> million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

>> Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
>> assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
>> collaborated with the Nazis.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
>>
>> Mirelle

>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
>> that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
>> about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
>> c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>>>Book Review
>>>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>>>$15.
>>>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,
>>>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>>>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>>>others written in response.

>>>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's  Italy.
>>>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is
>>>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of 'nationality'
>>>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on
>>>>>the same concept.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
>> of
>>>>>their threatened European brethren.
>>
>>>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>>>Feb. 18, 1943:
>>
>>>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
>> fact
>>>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)
>>
>>>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
>> saw
>>>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
>> to
>>>>>keep it that way.
>>
>>>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
>> option.
>>>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
>> not
>>>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
>> man
>>>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>>>own'
>>>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
>> a
>>>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).
>>
>>>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.
>>
>>>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
>> be
>>>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).
>>
>>>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.
>>
>>>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
>> this
>>>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
>> savory
>>>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
>> in
>>>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
>> the
>>>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.
>>
>>>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
>> U.S.
>>>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
>> to wear
>>>>>when examining Zionism.
>>
>>
>> # 5                           The Kastner Case
>> ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
>> Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>> that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>> Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>> there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
>> for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
>> Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> The Accusations
>>
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>> British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>> escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>> February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>> I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>> deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>> their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
>> own lives with the price of silence.
>>
>> Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>> for all Jews in Hungary.
>> While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>> still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>> exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
>> when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>> Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>> to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
>> Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
>> spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>> uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>>
>> Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>> little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>> when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>> (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>> commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>> in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>> future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>> directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>> political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>> authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>>
>> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>> Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>> collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>> hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>> camps, the price...was not too high for me.
>>
>> "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>> Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>> While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>> another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>> with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>> he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>> "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>> a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...
>>
>> "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>> between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>> immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>> would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>> blood to achieve his political goal...
>> 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>> this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>> service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>> would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>> concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>> (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>> do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>> money and military equipment."

>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>> When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>> citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>> Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>> views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>> official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>> Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>> of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>> -88-
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>> nord@powernetonline.com

>> Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

>> From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>> Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>> Date: 1997/07/12

>> The Kastner Case

>> Introduction

>> Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>> up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
>> all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
>> is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
>> Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>> Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>> the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>> accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
>> the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
>> collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
>> and in greater detail.

>> Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>> concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>> about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
>> books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
>> case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
>> greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
>> things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
>> began.

>> The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>> involving Rudolf Kastner.

>> Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>> Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>> 'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>> Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>> ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>
>> That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>> Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>> 3CR for anti-semitism.
>>
>> It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>> anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>> what Kastner was accused of.
>>
>> This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>> account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
>> dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>> from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
>> even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
>> the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.
>>
>> The Accusations
>> ----------------
>> Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>> "Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>> Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>> In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>> Herald, he wrote:
>>
>> 'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>> certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>> This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>> brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
>> with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
>> council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
>> number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
>> careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
>> statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
>> Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
>> send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
>> Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>> choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>> Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>> took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>> bargaining end there.
>>
>> Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>> fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
>> collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
>> pp261-2)
>>
>> These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>> published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>> "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>> elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>> negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>> them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>> Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>> lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>> He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>> keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
>> a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>> Palestine.
>> It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>> not too high for me.

>> We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
>> cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>> smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>> and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>> Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

>> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>> Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>> oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>> group here'.

>> And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>> keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>> After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
>> Jews...
>> That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
>> p.26ö-61)
>>
>> Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>> merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>> equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
>> the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
>> known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
>> saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
>> and absurd'.
>>
>> Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>> According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>> Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>> accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>> than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>> prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>> Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>> the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>> The Verdict
>> ------------
>> Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>> Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>> The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>> studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
>> 3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
>> the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
>> promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>>
>> It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>> complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>> the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>> its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
>> can backfire on the censors themselves.

>> Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>> became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>> "The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>> deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>> confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
>> to Kenyermeze.

>> The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>> they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>> The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>> rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>> others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>> mislead the Jews.
>> They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>> of Jewish leaders.

>> The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>> leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>> spreading such false information and did not protest.

>> Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>> persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

>> The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>> knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>> deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>> quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>> hampering the deportation orders.

>> Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>> dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
>> overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>> activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>> And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>> Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>> The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>> Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>> their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>> leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>> deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>> community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>> Rescue train.
>>
>> The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>> extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>> Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>> The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>> they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>> will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>> Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
>> the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>> The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>> Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>> The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>> ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>> expensively if honorably guided.
>>
>> Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>> exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>>
>> The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>> Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>> task easier.
>>
>> The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>> summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>> not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>> chiefs.
>>
>> It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>> Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>> underground.
>>
>> The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>> Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>> the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>> Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>> The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>> these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>> the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>> The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>> Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>> friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>> annihilation.
>>
>> The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>> six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>> Jews.
>> Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>> attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>> to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>> a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>> that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>> Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>> When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>> soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
>> majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
>> element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
>> fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
>> fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
>> the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
>> designated for death, on the other hand.
>> An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>> was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>> the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>> fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>> the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>> already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>
>> One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>> put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>> not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>> the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>> chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>> All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>> to evade this truth.
>>
>> Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>> wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
>> quickly to another."
>>
>> (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>> Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>> 1955).
>>
>> Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>> Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>> 'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>> "From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>> stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>> According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>> Jews.
>>
>> This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>> 'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>> of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>> criminals.
>>
>> Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>> achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>> Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>> Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>> Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>> Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>>
>> In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>> the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>> All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>> were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>> "Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>> when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
>> concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>> of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>> As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>> defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>> prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>> negate the affidavit.
>>
>> The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>> criminal.
>>
>> The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>> testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>> in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>> last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>> overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>> Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>> stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>> declared in the affidavit.
>>
>> The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>> but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>> and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>> moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>
>> It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>> his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>> World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>> exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>> of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>> the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>> were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>> there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>> criminal.
>> Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>> given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>> n Nuremberg.
>>
>> Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>> accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>> his statements." (ibid)
>>
>> Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>> libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>> unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>> his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
>> also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
>> Israeli pounds as court costs.
>>
>> In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>> been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>>
>> Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>> completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>> matter.
>>
>> If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>> individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>> attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>> pointed to much more than that.
>>
>> But the story does not end there.
>>
>> The Reaction
>> -------------
>> Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>> Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>> now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.
>>
>> The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>> "All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>> know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>> 1955)
>>
>> In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>> journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>>
>> "Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>> trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>> defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>>
>> *Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>> "The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>> him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>> Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>> defense." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>> Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>> Government of Israel.
>>
>> As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>> "If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>> political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>> Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>> instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>> criminal libel.
>>
>> As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>> *Ma'ariv*:
>> "What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>> government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>> collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>> government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>> of our history!
>>
>> At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>> government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>> appeal filed.
>> What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>> such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>> appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
>> June 1955)
>>
>> At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>> of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>> was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
>> here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
>> official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
>> Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
>> to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
>> 268)
>>
>> The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>> was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>> leadership.
>>
>> So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>> continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>> collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>> But the story gets worse.
>>
>> The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>> Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>> the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>> this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>> rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>> court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>> from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>> take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>> 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>> The Majority Judgement
>> -------------------------
>> But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>> these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>> two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
>> convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>> 'collaboration'.
>>
>> In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>> fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>> totally missing the point.
>>
>> Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>> the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>> that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>> The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>> Kastner.
>> They JOINED him.
>>
>> Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>> Chesin:
>>
>> "...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>> Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>> the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>> saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>> tree'.
>> This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
>> about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
>> without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
>> aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>
>> I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>> Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>> neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>> with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>> no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>> news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
>> one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>> .And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>> when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>> result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
>> Jewish community.
>> Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
>> and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>> that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>> scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>> very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>> knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>> save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>> hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>> their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>> Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>> the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>> question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>> a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>> should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>> awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>> although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>> many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
>> opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
>> is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
>> perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
>> of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
>> but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
>> of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>> That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>> extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>> leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>
>> In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>> collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>> who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>> extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>> Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>> gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>> what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
>> coming danger....
>>
>> Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>> Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>> Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>> people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>>
>> n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>> Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>> exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
>> concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>> Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>> Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>
>> The Minority Judgement
>> --------------------------
>> It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>> Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>> sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
>> judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
>> therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>> "I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>> the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>> have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>> dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>> judgements on the guilt of others....
>>
>> an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>> ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>> he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
>> of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>> of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>> accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>> extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>> result.'
>>
>> I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>> such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>> cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>> without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>> the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>> emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>> had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>> thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
>> specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
>> escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
>> documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
>> when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
>> being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
>> 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
>> examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
>> of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
>> of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
>> defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>> to a claim of such good faith...
>>
>> If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>> die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>> will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>> as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>> the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>> Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>> complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>> rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>> And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>> was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>> Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>> make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>> his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>> many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>> escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>> these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>> proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>> claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
>> inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
>> of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
>> at the same time helplessness and activity.
>> Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>> We can sum up with three facts:
>> A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>> - nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>> machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
>> Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
>> additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
>> misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
>> moment of occupation.
>>
>> B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>> the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>> murder.
>> This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>> evidence for this.
>>
>> C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>> prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>> of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>> And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>> rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>> great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
>> eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>> been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>> of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
>> as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
>> Silberg, 1957)
>>
>> Conclusion
>> -----------
>> If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>> their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>> have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>> advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>> President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
>> 'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
>> relationships'.
>>
>> But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>> The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>> being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.
>>
>> It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>> Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>> with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>> Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>> Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>> Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>> gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>> to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>> and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>> Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>> evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>> West Germany.
>>
>> Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>> the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>> presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>> fear of what might come out.
>>
>> Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>> Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>> on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
>> of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
>> they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
>> tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>>
>> As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>> Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>> was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>> leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
>> 'now dead'.
>>
>> Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>> Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>> before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>> not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>> secret service.
>> (Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>> admitted in court during the murder trial).
>>
>> Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>> dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>> as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
>> people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
>> whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
>> more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
>> future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.
>>
>> The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>> Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
>> Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
>> not existed.
>> Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>> insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>> run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>>
>> We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Elias Davidsson - Oldugata 50 - 101 Reykjavik - Iceland
>> Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
>> mail: edavid@itn.is     URL:  http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
>> expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
>> ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!
>>
>>>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:
>>
>> This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
>> so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
>> truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
>> It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
>> more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!
>>
>> Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>>
>> More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>> COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>>
>> Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>> ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>>> wrote:

>> It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>> Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>> COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>>>>public.

>>>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

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On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:41:26 -0600, in de.soc.politik.misc Matthias Kern
 wrote:

Israel will wieder mal in Deutschland regieren...
Immer die verfluechten Juden!

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:03:15 +0200, in de.soc.politik.misc Andreas Gumtow
 wrote:

21. Oktober 2006
Stein dringt auf Initiative gegen Rechtsextreme

Israels Botschafter in Deutschland, Schimon Stein, hat an Politik und 
Gesellschaft appelliert, gemeinsam gegen den Rechtsradikalismus aktiv 
zu werden.
In der "Neuen Osnabrücker Zeitung" sagte Stein, es handele sich "nicht 
mehr um Randerscheinungen", wenn Rechtsradikale in die Landtage von 
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Brandenburg und Sachsen gewählt worden seien.
] N24

Wann geht Herr Stein denn nun gegen Liebermann vor? Der ist wesentlich 
extremer und sitzt nicht etwa "nur" in einem Landtag sondern in der 
Knesset. Welche extreme Partei, außer natürlich der linksextremen 
SED/PDS NAchfolgeorganisation "LINKE", sitzt im Bundestag? Oder ist 
das nicht so schlimm weil Liebermann und Co ja zu den "RICHTIGEN"(tm) 
gehört?

-- 
In der Politik ist es ähnlich wie im Pflegeheim...

Auch Politiker müssen öfter mal gewendet werden,
sonst lügen die sich durch.

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>On 1 Mar 2007 16:33:32 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:

>>The Accusations

>>     Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

>>     Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>>     British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>>     escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>>     February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

>>     I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>>     I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>>     deeds of the war.

>>     While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still
>>     on my arm

>>     Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>>     uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

>>     Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

>>     Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>>     little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>>     when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>>     (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

>>     These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>>     published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

>>     "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>>     commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>>     in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>>     future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>>     directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>     political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>     authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

>>     This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>>     lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>>     Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>>     collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>     hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>>     Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>>     camps, the price...was not too high for me.

>>     "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>>     Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>>     While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>>     another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>>     with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>     he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>>     "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>>     a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

>>     "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>>     between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>>     immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>>     would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>>     blood to achieve his political goal...
>>     'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>>     this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>>     service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>>     would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>     concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>>     That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>>     (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

>>     Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>>     do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>>     money and military equipment."

>>     Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>     According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>>     When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>>     citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>>     Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>>     views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>     official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>>     Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>>     of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>     -88-

>KASTNER Case=ZYD ACCOMPLICE WITH NAZIS [88]

>Now there are at least another 50 documented cases like KASTNER, 
>and RUMKOWSKI!!
>The ZHIDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS!!

>Even the notorious Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to have been a nazi 
>GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>On 24 Oct 2004 17:22:19 -0000, DerStuermer  wrote:

>>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>Here is the latest.......

>>From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>>Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>>Date: 1997/07/12

>>The Kastner Case

>>Introduction

>>Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>>up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of all
>>and will show that on this question 'The documentation available is
>>overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine Speaks
>>claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>>Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>>the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>>accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly the
>>most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist collaboration
>>broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first, and in greater detail.

>>Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>>concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>>about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some books
>>in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its case appears
>>strongest, and on the points to which it has given greatest emphasis,we
>>hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that things are not quite
>>what they may have appeared before this inquiry began.

>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>involving Rudolf Kastner.

>>Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>>Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>>'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>>rehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

>>That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>>Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>>3CR for anti-semitism.

>>It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>>anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>>what Kastner was accused of.

>>This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>>account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works dealing
>>with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart from 3CR, the
>>suppression of information has been so complete, that even an expert
>>like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on the matter, has
>>been unable to find out what it is all about.

>>The Accusations

>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

>>"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald,
>>he wrote:

>>'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

>>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>>brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives with
>>the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council
>>which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at
>>Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics
>>of the exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me when I
>>escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks
>>notice that Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'

>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>bargaining end there.

>>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany collapsed,
>>to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit. pp261-2)

>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

>>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation,
>>I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>>was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>>He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>>keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a
>>few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>>not too high for me.

>>.We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case
>>and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>>goal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>>keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>>After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid, p.26ö-61)

>>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>>merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>>equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is the term
>>that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had known what the
>>accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR saying 'In these
>>circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious and absurd'.

>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?

>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

>>The Verdict

>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on 3CR,
>>has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to the Jewish
>>community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to promote racism,
>>in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

>>It is the actual words used that are the subject of the