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ADL ZYDS Dislike Methodists' for Divesting From israel

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:24:43 -0600 (MDT), in soc.culture.europe FrankArthur
 wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:32:23 GMT, in soc.culture.jewish "torresdD"
 wrote:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3418316,00.html
Methodists 'bordering anti-Semitism'

ADL Director slams American Christian group for Israel
divestment call

Yaakov Lappin Published:
06.27.07, 16:37 / Israel Jewish Scene

The United Methodist Church's call to divest from companies linked to
Israel "is bordering on anti-Semitism,"

Anti-Defamation League Director Abraham Foxman told Ynetnews
on Wednesday.

Foxman furiously condemned recommendations made by the
New England branch of the Methodist Church for its members to divest
"from twenty companies identified as supporting the Israeli occupation
in Palestine."

The recommendations were made by a "task force" of clergy and church
members set up to implement a "resolution to end the Israeli occupation,"
a statement by the Church added.

Foxman, who is currently in Israel, said it was "sad that a religious
institution whose job should be to reconcile continues to be biased
and bigoted."

He added that in the past two years, "there has been a war perpetrated by
Hizbullah, katyushas rockets, and terrorist acts.

Now Hamas, that does not recognize Israel's right to exist and perpetrated
violence, has gotten itself elected, and is in control of a million and a half
Palestinians.

And the Methodists are still there to teach Israel a lesson."

"My reaction is one of outrage to this biased decision,
which borders on anti-Semitism.

The facts show that any decent fair-minded, spiritual, godly person would not
come to a conclusion to boycott the victim, the one that has been praying for
peace, suing for peace, hoping for peace.

To make Israel the target is just outrageous," Foxman added.

In the Church's statement, William P. Aldrich, chairperson
of the 'Divestment Task Force,' was quoted as saying:
"Selective divestment is consistent with the United Methodist commitment
to a just and sustainable peace for all the people of the Middle East."

He added that the divestment campaign
"offers a tangible way of working toward this goal."

In its press release, the Church said it knew its actions would not have an
impact on Israel's economy, adding that "this is not the goal."

"The goal is to make all United Methodists and other Americans aware of their
relationship to companies that benefit from the Israeli occupation," the
statement added.

"The urgency of the humanitarian crisis in the occupied Palestinian
territories cannot be overstated," the United Methodist Church
declared on its website.

Church ackowledges bias

In a separate development, the ADL has welcomed the United
Church of Christ's (UCC) acknowledgment that it has advocated
an unbalanced and one-sided policy against the state of Israel.

The UCC passed a new resolution this week calling for a more
balanced approach to the Middle East conflict.

"We are heartened that members of the United Church of Christ
have come to recognize that Israel deserves a fair hearing and
that some of their policy declarations in the past were based
on unfair and biased assumptions," Foxman said.

"It is a welcome development, and the start of a healthy process
toward a better understanding of a very complex and complicated
history," he added.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

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WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


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Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:18:40 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:
Just another "friendly fire" death from the doped-up yanks, on their so-called
allies!!

How many more corpses will it take for Harpo to withdraw all the stupid
canucks?

>This is what American troops mean when they say "I got your back":

>----------------------------------

>Globe and Mail
>July 3, 2007 at 2:54 AM EDT
>
>Canadian soldier Robert Costall was shot to death from behind in Afghanistan 
>last year by American troops, who opened machine-gun fire on him and then 
>another friendly position during an insurgent attack, a newly released U.S. 
>army report says.

>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070703.wfriendly03/BNStory/National 




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ADL ZYDS Dislike Methodists' for Divesting From israel

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:24:43 -0600 (MDT), in soc.culture.europe FrankArthur
 wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:32:23 GMT, in soc.culture.jewish "torresdD"
 wrote:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3418316,00.html
Methodists 'bordering anti-Semitism'

ADL Director slams American Christian group for Israel
divestment call

Yaakov Lappin Published:
06.27.07, 16:37 / Israel Jewish Scene

The United Methodist Church's call to divest from companies linked to
Israel "is bordering on anti-Semitism,"

Anti-Defamation League Director Abraham Foxman told Ynetnews
on Wednesday.

Foxman furiously condemned recommendations made by the
New England branch of the Methodist Church for its members to divest
"from twenty companies identified as supporting the Israeli occupation
in Palestine."

The recommendations were made by a "task force" of clergy and church
members set up to implement a "resolution to end the Israeli occupation,"
a statement by the Church added.

Foxman, who is currently in Israel, said it was "sad that a religious
institution whose job should be to reconcile continues to be biased
and bigoted."

He added that in the past two years, "there has been a war perpetrated by
Hizbullah, katyushas rockets, and terrorist acts.

Now Hamas, that does not recognize Israel's right to exist and perpetrated
violence, has gotten itself elected, and is in control of a million and a half
Palestinians.

And the Methodists are still there to teach Israel a lesson."

"My reaction is one of outrage to this biased decision,
which borders on anti-Semitism.

The facts show that any decent fair-minded, spiritual, godly person would not
come to a conclusion to boycott the victim, the one that has been praying for
peace, suing for peace, hoping for peace.

To make Israel the target is just outrageous," Foxman added.

In the Church's statement, William P. Aldrich, chairperson
of the 'Divestment Task Force,' was quoted as saying:
"Selective divestment is consistent with the United Methodist commitment
to a just and sustainable peace for all the people of the Middle East."

He added that the divestment campaign
"offers a tangible way of working toward this goal."

In its press release, the Church said it knew its actions would not have an
impact on Israel's economy, adding that "this is not the goal."

"The goal is to make all United Methodists and other Americans aware of their
relationship to companies that benefit from the Israeli occupation," the
statement added.

"The urgency of the humanitarian crisis in the occupied Palestinian
territories cannot be overstated," the United Methodist Church
declared on its website.

Church ackowledges bias

In a separate development, the ADL has welcomed the United
Church of Christ's (UCC) acknowledgment that it has advocated
an unbalanced and one-sided policy against the state of Israel.

The UCC passed a new resolution this week calling for a more
balanced approach to the Middle East conflict.

"We are heartened that members of the United Church of Christ
have come to recognize that Israel deserves a fair hearing and
that some of their policy declarations in the past were based
on unfair and biased assumptions," Foxman said.

"It is a welcome development, and the start of a healthy process
toward a better understanding of a very complex and complicated
history," he added.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


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Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:27:17 -0600, Anarchore  wrote:
>robertpeffers@aol.com presented the following explanation :
>> It is quite obvious from his disgustingly racist and despicable anti-
>> Semitism that he is an ignorant, uneducated, low class, common,
>> neanderthalic, hate filled, redneck who is probably an unemployed
>> alcoholic who suffers from erectile dysfunction and who lives in a
>> trailor park.

>> Anarchore represents the old, rapidly shrinking, and ever redundant
>> demographic of White Males who have spent a lifetime trying to stop
>> social change for the better. It would appear from his various online
>> diatribes that he dearly wishes to turn the social clock back to a
>> time when women, visible minorities, aboriginals, people with
>> disabilities, and homosexuals had little or no civil rights in
>> society; and whereby politics, business, academia, law enforcement,
>> and the military were controlled by and for the exclusive benefit of
>> White Males.

>> Sorry Anarchore but mass immigration, equality for women, same-sex
>> marriage, tax payer funded official bilingualism, tax payer funded
>> official multiculturalism, affirmative action, welfare, public
>> healthcare, mass immigration, hate crimes laws for racists and
>> homophobes like you, legal and tax payer funded abortion, and
>> progressive taxation are here to stay for good; and there is
>> absolutely nothing that angry White Males like you can do about it!!!.
>> Demography is simply not on your side!!!.

>Another form letter from Bobber.  


All the disgusting practices endorsed by  Rob Poofters are some of the reasons
so many people now are getting really fed up with Canada!!



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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:03:21 -0000, Stephen  wrote:

>How on earth was an Edmonton Cop unable to disarm a woman brandishing
>a knife  before resorting to shooting her in the stoamch......Aren't
>the cops supplied with Tasers or Billy Cubs in the West...

Yes, the crooked STABmonton cops ARE supplied with tasers.

However, here the cops prefer to shoot suspects, even in the back, and hope
the suspect dies, so the cops won't have to pay for unlawful force!!

And the crooked cops wonder why the city has such an unsavoury reputation.

Was Mike Boyd as useless in running the Toronto cops, as he is here?



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When your taxes go skyhigh on your tax bills this month, never forget that
part of it is due to incompetent slime such as LOWRY of EPCOR, and his
negligence in costing Edmonton users an extra $450,000!!


>On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:18:03 GMT, JimMcCarthy
> wrote:

>>Glad to see that the finance and collections manager for Leduc was 
>>on his toes, and did the job for which he gets paid!!

>>Time to FIRE Lowry, after recovering the $450 Grand from his pay!!

>>Anyone stupid enough to hire this scammer, deserves to get swindled.


>>On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:34:46 GMT, LordTweedsmuir
>> wrote:
>>>On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:04:02 GMT, LordTweedsmuir
>>> wrote:

>>>>The Journal for today, Wednesday 20 September 2006, reports that EPCOR
>>>>management failed to pay a bill in connection with their power plant, and
>>>>consequently had to pay a penalty of $450,000!!

>>>Will Lowry get FIRED for his negligence, or will he pass the buck onto some
>>>junior staffer?

>>>>Will he be required to pay this penalty, out of his salary and bonuses, since
>>>>he is respondible?

>>>>Or, will he try to get the Utilities Board to raise rates to EPCOR customers
>>>>to make up for his negligence?



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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:04:49 -0400, "El Conquistador" 
wrote:

>'Misuse of Canada's identity' questioned in Israeli spy operation

>Stewart Bell
>National Post

>A SENIOR Cabinet official questioned the head of Israel's security service 
>about allegations Israeli undercover agents posed as Canadians during an 
>operation to assassinate a Palestinian terrorist leader, newly released 
>documents show.

>Although Ottawa has said publicly it was convinced all along the spy claims 
>were false, internal documents obtained yesterday show the matter has 
>continued to concern the government and has been the subject of 
>behind-the-scenes diplomacy.

>In a confidential report, officials said they were concerned about "other 
>countries' intelligence services misusing Canada's identity" and that "such 
>misuse endangers Canadians travelling around the world and undermines the 
>integrity of Canadian passports."

>Ronald Bilodeau, the Privy Council Office security and intelligence 
>co-ordinator and Cabinet assistant secretary, met on Oct. 1 with the head of 
>the Israeli Security Agency, whose spies allegedly used false Canadian 
>identities during the operation in Gaza.

>"The ISA is reported to have recently had its agents pose as Canadians to 
>lure a Palestinian, 22-year-old Akram Zatmeh, into informing on Intifada 
>leaders in return for promises of resettlement in Canada," according to a 
>"Secret: Canadian Eyes Only" memo prepared for the meeting.

>  The documents do not describe the response of the ISA chief, who reports 
>directly to Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister. Israel has denied the 
>claims. But the papers show Ottawa was worried about being linked to a spy 
>operation and a botched assassination that killed 14 bystanders, nine of 
>them children.

>The allegations surfaced in August, when Mr. Zatmeh publicly detailed how he 
>was lured into becoming an Israeli informant by agents who told him they 
>were Canadians and could help him immigrate. Mr. Zatmeh said he was 
>recruited by three "Canadian" agents who brought him to the Canadian embassy 
>in Tel Aviv before coercing him into helping them, with doctored photos that 
>showed him with naked women.

>On July 23, Mr. Zatmeh helped Israeli agents pinpoint the location of Sheik 
>Salah Shehadeh, a Hamas leader. Twenty minutes later, an Israeli F-16 fired 
>a one-tonne missile at the building, killing not only the sheik but also 
>more than a dozen bystanders.

>Mr. Zatmeh was later arrested as a collaborator and is facing a possible 
>death sentence.

>"Our initial concern ... was that the press articles could be seen by some 
>as alleging Canadian involvement with Israel in the assassination of Sheik 
>Salah Shehadeh," according to an Aug. 29 internal government memo. "Canada 
>has nothing to do with this or with any other purported Israeli operation."

>After the Post learned of the informant's allegations, officials told the 
>newspaper on Sept. 4 they were satisfied the claims were false. However, 
>hours after the Post report on Sept. 5, John McNee, assistant deputy 
>minister for Africa and the Mideast, discussed the matter with Haim Divon, 
>Israel's ambassador to Canada.




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To see a video about the KOSHER TAX, go to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWn--jlRVAI&mode=related&search=

Thanks for posting this nice little introduction to the KosherNostra,
Tommy.

The Kosher industry is a fungus that has penetrated into every level of
US foods production, to the point that, even if you dig around 'til
you find a brand that *doesn't* bear the mark of the Kosher Beast,
most of the ingredients were still likely certified at some level, so
the Kashrus Khazars are still probably getting a cut.

The film indicates that a portion of the monies extracted from the
sleeping Gentiles in the Kosher racket goes to "support Israel"
(read OPPRESS PALESTINIANS), and this is almost undoubtedly the case.
The OU (Orthodox Union) is the Big Nose in the US Kash-R-Us market, and
they kick massive amounts of cash to support Zionist "causes" in
the Jewish State.

If the Khazars want to eat Kosher from a can, that's fine by me. But
let them pay for their own fetishes - pass around the plat at the ol'
synagogue. But it'd better be a damn BIG plate, as the film indicated
that they'd need to raise about 6 billion a year to replace the
monies that the Goyim currently unwittingly subsidize them.

One final note: As the film mentioned, some companies are now beginning
to balk - disbelieving the lies told them by the Kosher Racketeers, and
dumping certification.  Others are trying to get the best of both
worlds - for instance, right now I'm eating Planters Dry Roasted
Peanuts. On the package is a simple letter "K". It's not a
enclosed in a circle or a triangle, not enmeshed ins some fancy
pattern, just a simple "K" located approximately where an
"official" Kosher Symbol - owned by the racketeers- would be
placed.

This means that the company is self-regulating, and is NOT playing the
Kosher Racketeers game - OR paying them.    0:-(>

This is the company's way of telling the Kash-R-US Rabbis to take a
flying leap - as the Jews can't copyright the letter "K", (and
this drives these Food Nazis mad). Of course, Kosher Keeping Jew would
never buy the product because they know better - but the  "Kosher is
Better" Gentile consumer - those who have been duped into believing
that the Kosher seal somehow translates to mean a "better" product
(it doesn't - EVER) will never know the difference, and will buy it
anyway.


The shitty part for the Rabbinical Racketeers is that they CAN'T try
to educate the Gentile public on this matter - if they do, the jig'll
be up, and they'll soon be paying for their own picnic.  0:-(>


Will Planters (or Tabasco, etc) miss the Kosher Jewish market? Hell no!
Jews make up only about 2% of the US population, and only about 10% of
those are serious about keeping Kosher on a daily basis. To paraphrase
the ADL's article: The profit that companies make by selling mainline
products to Kosher Keeping Jews is SO low that "we can't even
calculate it".
**
Waldo
Observer at Large



Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
KOSHER TAX, who is more believable, them or liars such as you?

 Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
$30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!


On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:43:26 -0400, "zr"  wrote:

>You've got so much crap you should bottle it.
>Heinz & Libby both still have "cor" on their products. Just look on the back 
>of a bottle of Ketchup dimwit!
>Here is also another fact for you "herr grubber" the Heiress to the Heinz 
>fortune is a Jewess married to a Jew John F Kerry. You know the one, he ran 
>for President of the USA.
>Never mind Das Boat you get Das Boot imbecile.
>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:esbp729g8oqmc6h0b6hbodfj50rlfqgaa5@4ax.com...
>> Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

>> When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
>> KOSHER TAX, who is more beleivable, them or liars such as you?

>> Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
>> $30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!

>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!

>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:53:33 -0500, "zr"  wrote:
>>
>>>Pure Bullshit!
>>>Next you'll be telling everyone Hallal foods are a rip off. Then Cereal, 
>>>and
>>>baby food.
>>>How about dog food.
>>>Isn't that what you white trash racists eat.
>>
>>>"Jules Streiker"  wrote in message
>>>news:ps7lt11vqd26jm3sc17tvahpierd7qhtha@4ax.com...
>>>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>>>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>>>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!
>>>>
>>>> We do know that Philip Wolf a part-time kosher food inspector (sic)
>>>> in Calgary Canada testified in court that he gets $35,000 for his
>>>> part-time job!!
>>>>
>>>> Heinz/Libby finally got fed up this year,and stopped paying the
>>>> extortion tax!!
>>>>
>>>> Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
>>>> longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
>>>> like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
>>>> Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
>>>> Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
>>>> such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
>>>> qualified to do...
>>>>
>>>> Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
>>>> ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
>>>> hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!
>>>>
>>>>>From: norma2339@charter.net
>>>>>Newsgroups: wpg.general,calgary.general
>>>>>Subject: Re: Heinz Dumps KOSHER TAX-Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>>>>>Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:33:32 -0800
>>>>>"veranda"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:...
>>>>>> > >     veranda : the origins of Kosher are of very good value since 
>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>> > > teaches sanitary way of food storage , handling and preparation .
>>>>>> > > Those were valuable practices hundreds of years ago .
>>>>>> > >     The whole point is that Today it only duplicates the work of
>>>>>> > > Public Food Inspectors and therefore is an unjustified extra cost
>>>>
>>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9abc4e06.0304010305.50dc870e@posting.google.com...
>>>>>> > What duplication?  It is a symbol on the container and the cost 
>>>>>> > would
>>>>>> > not change in any way.  This "paranoia" is silly.
>>>>
>>>>>veranda : what 'paranoia' ?? we are talking about saving money .
>>>>>In order to have the Kosher mark on a product the manufacturer
>>>>>must subscribe to the Rabbi inspections ( just like Public
>>>>>Inspectors ) and the Rabbi are charging money for their services ,
>>>>>you knew that !
>>>>>Kosher is Israel's food inspectors , dear , not in Canada though ,
>>>>>we got our own  !  :)
>>>>
>>>>>Well, to set the record straight.  The Rabbinate council that approves
>>>>>something Kosher according to milk and meat products probably got a
>>>>>flat fee and if the company continued to raise the prices that counsel
>>>>>doesn't really care.  It is not an item by item thing.  With the
>>>>>Kosher diet it matters what foods are eate together (and never mil and
>>>>>meat) and one eats mostly milk meals, because the time period between
>>>>>those types of meals is longer after meat (a much heavier meal in the
>>>>>day.)
>>>>
>>>>>What would it save you--less than $10 a year.
>>>>
>>>>>All countries have their own Rabbinate Cousels, so don't think that it
>>>>>is just Canada with their own.  Maybe it is the Canadian Rabbis who
>>>>>have demanded more money?
>>>>
>>>>>Or, perhaps Philip Wolf, the KOSHER FOOD INSPECTOR in Calgary wanted
>>>>>more than the $35,000 a year he got for duplicating the work of the
>>>>>Canadian authorities?? Apparently, his part-time stamps business
>>>>>couldn't make any money either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:25:20 -0600, Boris Dynin 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Further to the article below about Heinz/Libby, the smaller article
>>>>>following sheds more light on the KOSHER NOSTRA EXTORTION TAX!!
>>>>
>>>>>The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>>>>>by Ernesto Cienfuegos
>>>>>La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>
>>>>>Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>>receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers
>>>>>and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our
>>>>>attention.
>>>>
>>>>>Last week we received an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance
>>>>>of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found
>>>>>printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
>>>>>products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we
>>>>>do some research into the subject. What we found
>>>>>certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
>>>>
>>>>>On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
>>>>>verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
>>>>>most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
>>>>>Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>>>>>similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>>>>>Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper
>>>>>container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic
>>>>>sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.
>>>>
>>>>>We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies
>>>>>to ask some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the
>>>>>Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>>>>>plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as
>>>>>most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages
>>>>>for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
>>>>>products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the
>>>>>(U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
>>>>>until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
>>>>>that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher".
>>>>
>>>>>We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
>>>>>whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and
>>>>>other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
>>>>>Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
>>>>>the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
>>>>>she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
>>>>>but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>>>>>Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
>>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>>What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
>>>>>that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
>>>>>amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
>>>>>receive protection.
>>>>
>>>>>This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
>>>>>the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer
>>>>>the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>>>>>not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>>>>>other similar markings.
>>>>
>>>>>Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>>>>>sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>>>>>perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually
>>>>>Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
>>>>>western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation
>>>>>in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The
>>>>>(U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan
>>>>>and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue
>>>>>in New York City.
>>>>
>>>>>The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
>>>>>amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
>>>>>Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
>>>>>full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.
>>>>
>>>>>The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
>>>>>approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
>>>>>certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
>>>>>boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food
>>>>>companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish
>>>>>dominated media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in
>>>>>bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed
>>>>>on to the consumer anyway. The food companies have kept secret from
>>>>>the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the amount
>>>>>of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
>>>>
>>>>>It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
>>>>>manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the
>>>>>"Kosher Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200
>>>>>Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and then a
>>>>>large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly,
>>>>>the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows
>>>>>up to "inspect" the company's operations.
>>>>>Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
>>>>>lucrative salaries.
>>>>
>>>>>The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food
>>>>>companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
>>>>>estimated to be in the BILLIONS since the scam first started. The
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep the amount
>>>>>of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote
>>>>>about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing about
>>>>>it now.
>>>>
>>>>>Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
>>>>>eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public
>>>>>education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of
>>>>>all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I
>>>>>certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee"
>>>>>or "kosher plastic sandwich bags".
>>>>>In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
>>>>>for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright attorneys
>>>>>out there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and
>>>>>other non-Jewish people?
>>>>>* * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>>
>>>>>CONGRATULATIONS TO HEINZ/LIBBY FOR STARTING THE
>>>>>ANTI-KOSHER NOSTRA REVOLT!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Further to the article below, today's Southam newspapers
>>>>>report that Canadian Jew News stated that Heinz Canada
>>>>>have removed the Koosher Tax Certification from almost
>>>>>all Heinz products.
>>>>
>>>>>Heinz declared this was done " to keep costs down" according
>>>>>to Heinz spokeman Anna Relyea.
>>>>
>>>>>To save money Heinz stopped the KOSHER TAX on tomato sauces
>>>>>and pastes, vinegar and mustard, and also jars of baby foods.
>>>>>Also, the KOSHER TAX was dropped on all domestic beans,
>>>>>including those sold under the Libby's label.
>>>>
>>>>>Naturally, the ZHID rabbis who made a killing in fees from
>>>>>the KOSHER TAX are now complaining, according to Rabbi
>>>>>Mordechai Levin, executive director of COR(Council of
>>>>>Orthodox Rabbis).
>>>>
>>>>>Good for Heinz!! Perhaps now more firms will join the
>>>>>refusal to pay the KOSHER TAX!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>From: tyler 
>>>>>>Newsgroups: calgary.general,soc.culture.jewish,edm.general
>>>>>>Subject: You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs
>>>>>>consumers
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:55:49 GMT
>>>>
>>>>>>You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers
>>>>
>>>>>>It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
>>>>>>food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
>>>>>>proof is easily found.
>>>>
>>>>>>COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
>>>>>>Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
>>>>>>aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
>>>>>>if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
>>>>>>to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
>>>>>>to religious law then the product is certified as kosher.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The following has been snipped from:
>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>>>>
>>>>>>Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
>>>>>>rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
>>>>>>are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
>>>>>>organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
>>>>>>certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
>>>>>>food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.
>>>>
>>>>>>The website explains:
>>>>
>>>>>>Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
>>>>>>begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
>>>>>>every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
>>>>>>agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
>>>>>>step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
>>>>>>equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
>>>>>>close investigation and supervision.
>>>>
>>>>>>The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
>>>>>>source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
>>>>>>the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
>>>>>>kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
>>>>>>(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
>>>>>>manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
>>>>>>The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
>>>>>>investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.
>>>>
>>>>>>The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
>>>>>>authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
>>>>>>ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
>>>>>>changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
>>>>>>acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
>>>>>>on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
>>>>>>contract and then sent to the manufacturer.
>>>>
>>>>>>The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>>>>>>non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>>>>>>Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
>>>>>>depending on the gross annual sales of the product.
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>>>The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
>>>>>>the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
>>>>>>that!
>>>>
>>>>>>...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
>>>>>>likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
>>>>>>annual sales of the product.
>>>>
>>>>>>The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
>>>>>>friends and neighbours if they  know what COR means. Unless they are
>>>>>>Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
>>>>>>because something is certified.
>>>>
>>>>>>tyler
>>>>>>the consumer watchdog!!!
>>>>
>>>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>>>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>>>
>>>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>>>
>>>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>>>> is a revolutionary act."
>>>> (George Orwell)
>>>>
>>>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>>>
>>>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>>>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>>>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>>>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>>>
>>>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>>>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
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>>>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>>>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>>>
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>>>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>>>> and impossible to ignore."
>>>> --John Bryant
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> is
>>>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a 
>>>> grosvenor!!
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>>>>
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On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:39:12 GMT, "princeandy"  wrote:

>It might not stop them, but sure as hell makes sure they wont offend again.

A lot of good ideas!

Now definitely needed for the members of the pedofilia party in
Holland!!

Also, for judges in Canada releasing repeat child molesters!!


On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:06:56 -0600, Ken McVaySOBC
 wrote:

>Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have approved
>special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags!!

>In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get their just
>punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!


>>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags!!

>>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>>of televising executions.

>>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>>but not limited to such, would include:
>
>>         AIDS spreaders
>>         rapists
>>         drug dealers
>>         home invaders
>>         armed robbers
>>         pederasts and similar child molesters
>>         crooked liars/lawyers
>>         corrupt judges
>>         corrupt politicians
>>         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>>         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>>         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>>              criminals being released
>>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:
>>         any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
>>                obviously  include most faggots
>>        white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>>                dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>>                how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)


>>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>>         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>>         vivisection
>>         medical experiments without anaesthetic
>>         target practice for police and military
>>         beheading
>>         hanging
>>         barbecueing by electrocution
>>         drawing & quartering

>>Additional methods of execution have been suggested, such as:
>>	guillotining, very popular in France
>>	flaying alive until dead
>>	stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

>>More suggestions for both categories are invited.


>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
>is a revolutionary act." 
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>"All truth passes through three stages. 
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant

>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431

>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
>should give an indication as to the why.

>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473


>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com

>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.


>>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:27:02 -0600, "Robert Sveinson"
>> wrote:
>>>"Roedy Green"  wrote in message
>>>news:81ptr0pj2ibnkktvdlh3ngrr09jgjih5d9@4ax.com...
>>>> The Iraqis are hopelessly outgunned, yet to everyone's surprise that
>>>> tiny country has held the biggest military in the world at bay.

>>>> One of their most successful techniques has been beheadings, and
>>>> releasing videos. This creates maximum horror with minimal loss of
>>>> life.

>>>> I think they could improve on the productions to make clear they are
>>>> in retaliation.

>>>> So I think the next beheading video should be spliced or split screen
>>>> with shots of dozens of people Americans have beheaded with their
>>>> bombs and machine gun fire.

>>>> I think they should branch out from beheadings, partly because
>>>> beheadings are too unreal.  They need something the man in the street
>>>> can more relate to.

>>>> I suggest, removing fingernails and toenails, removing or splitting
>>>> the penis, crushing the testicles in a vice, gouging out an eye with
>>>> a popsicle stick, allowing rats to nibble, nails through the hands and
>>>> feet, throwing darts at a target painted on the stomach, rubbing
>>>> rotting dead baby corpse goo over Americans stretched naked and then
>>>> slashing with knives to create gangrenous infections to be
>>>> photographed in stop motion, squeezing lemon juice into wounds.

>>>> Play with common phobias, e.g. spiders, snakes, scorpions, rats,
>>>> heights. E.g. video falling to death from a tall building with cameras
>>>> situated at top, bottom and attached to the victim.

>>>> Since Bush started the sexual abuse, and condones child rape, how
>>>> about killing a man with ever larger things shoved up his ass, pounded
>>>> home with a sledgehammer till he splits like a watermelon.

>>>> Of course any such violence must be justified by showing video of at
>>>> least a dozen instances of Americans doing something similar first.

>>>> "Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
>>>> Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor of Hitler
>>>> nor of Mussolini."
>>>> ~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
>>>>   on Bush's atrocities in the Iraq war.

>>>> Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
>>>> See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes




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In a banner headline story across page B1 of the Edmonton Journal for 21 July
2006, Statistics Canada reports that Edmonton Canada is now the crime capital
of Canada!

The Edmonton region homicide/murder rate is documented at 4.3 per 100,000
people, compared to only 2.0 for crime-ridden Toronto!!

And, the Edmonton stats do not include bodies found outside the area, from the
notorious Edmonton serial killer of 107 female prostitiutes!

And the city wonders why it is getting such bad international publicity,
mainly caused by the crooked cops, who apparently can not even catch a cold,
let alone the serial murderer, who is suspected by many, to be either a cop,
judge or criminologist.


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I doubt that even the fags would bother visiting Canada, 
not even to get a fag "marriage"

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:20:02 GMT, PureVenom 
wrote:

>This should do wonders for the airlines considering landing at the Leduc
>moosepasture with idiots for WEM from Europe!!

>Looks like a very lean summer for the tourist slime in STABmonton, if suckers
>from Europe continue the boycott!!


>On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:18:38 GMT, RevPhelps 
>wrote:

>>In a headline news story today published across Canada, German and 
>>Dutch tour operators will now start to boycott Canada.

>>This is part of a protest against Canada cancelling GST rebates for foreign
>>visitors. As many tour operators stated, "We simply can not afford to lose
>>money on bookings to Canada."

>>European tour operators, because of EU regulations, are unable to pass on to
>>their customers increases in costs, such as being forced to pay the Canadian
>>GST without being able to recover from the Canadian government.

>>The Tourism Industry Association of Canada is very disappointed with the tour
>>operators for their decision to pull out of Rendez-vous Canada.

>>It is a public relations and marketing challenge, president Randy Williams
>>claims.

>>Coming on the heels of all the bad news for tourism in Canada - the
>>over-priced Canuck dollar, SARS, post-911 strict travel security measures at
>>airports, confusion over the US passport rules, and significant crime problems
>>in places such as Edmonton Canada, tourism across Canada will really feel the
>>effect of the boycott.

>>It is expected that Caribbean destinations, Australia, and even South America
>>should all benefit from the stupidity of the Canadian government.



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The death penalty will also apply to female druggies, since they do not
discriminate based on sex.

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:26:14 -0400, "Paris Hilton" 
wrote:

>All backwards, ignorant societies, to be sure.

>Why don't you expound on how wonderfully the aforementioned 4 countries 
>treat their women?

>"MattKern"  wrote in message 
>news:po2363d8tmo9g0rscp7hbpusm23m5l5ai0@4ax.com...
>> At least some countries know what to do with the human garbage involved 
>> with drugs!

>> Malaysia,Singapore,  Indonesia and Saudi Arabia know that an executed 
>> criminal will never re-offend.

>> Pity that the UK, Canada and the US still have not learned this!


>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 00:49:01 +1000, BernardZ  
>> wrote:

>>>Alex the death penalty still exists in Saudi Arabia

>>>http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?
>>>xfile=data/middleeast/2007/May/middleeast_May217.xml§ion=middleeast&
>>>col=

>>>RIYADH - A Saudi convicted of murder and two Pakistanis found guilty of
>>>drug trafficking were beheaded by the sword on Sunday, the interior
>>>ministry said.

>>>Mufreh bin Ahmad al-Missbali Assiri stabbed to death Abdullah bin
>>>Mohammed al-Mudhlim Assiri after an argument, the ministry said in a
>>>statement carried by the state news agency SPA.

>>>He was executed in the southwestern region of Assir.

>>>The two Pakistani men were beheaded in the Red Sea city of Jeddah for
>>>drug trafficking, the ministry said in a separate statement.

>>>Nasser Khan and Abdulrasheed Musharaf were caught trying to smuggle
>>>undisclosed amounts of heroin hidden in their stomachs into the kingdom,
>>>the ministry said.

>>>The beheadings brought to 66 the number of executions announced by the
>>>Saudi authorities this year.

>>>At least 37 people were executed in 2006, while 83 were put to death in
>>>2005 and 35 the year before, according to AFP tallies based on official
>>>statements.

>>>Executions are usually carried out in public in Saudi Arabia, which
>>>applies a strict form of sharia, or Islamic law. Rape, murder, apostasy,
>>>armed robbery and drug trafficking can all carry the death penalty.




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In Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, all the garbage drug people get the same
treatment, no matter their colour.

All get the "long drop", which means they will no longer be a burden on
society.

They publicly advertise : DADAH MEANS DEATH at all points of entry, so that
the druggies know the penalty before entering the countries.


On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:33:33 +0800, "Agong Mat"  wrote:

>If these two unfortunate smuglers were white, it will be a different
>scaenario. The Oz PM, the GZ Governor and the Queen will all fight to save
>the white trash. So, you see, it alls boils down to racism! I just hope
>spmeday, some whute trash are caught in Malaysia and Singapore.

>"MattKern"  wrote in message
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>> At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage people,
>> such as drug dealers.
>>
>> They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an executed
>> criminal will never re-offend!!
>>
>> Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for the
>upkeep
>> in some pampering prison system!!
>>
>> If only the justice systems in Australia & North America would follow
>suit!!!
>> Oz could start by executing the 4 Canadian drug trafickers it just
>arrested!!
>>
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
>wrote:
>>
>> >AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>> >Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>> >this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>> >the streets of Sydney.
>>
>> >The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>> >drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>> >radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>> >doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.
>>
>> >But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>> >tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>> >raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>> >a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>> >opposes the death penalty worldwide.
>>
>> >Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>> >Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>> >to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>> >traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>> >executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.
>>
>> >It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>> >Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>> >December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>> >appeals for clemency.
>>
>> >It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>> >despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>> >there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>> >bodies or conceal it in their luggage.
>>
>> >Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>> >Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>> >and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>> >lethally injects traffickers.
>>
>> >Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>> >Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>> >information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>> >of couriers the trade calls "mules".
>>
>> >"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>> >drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>> >he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>> >the law of quick dollars."
>>
>> >The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>> >sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>> >already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>> >his own party room.
>>
>> >The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>> >February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>> >uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.
>>
>> >Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>> >remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>> >previous successful run and another aborted attempt.
>>
>> >This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>> >determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>> >and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>> >treaties.
>>
>> >"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>> >engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>> >them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>> >we will continue to operate within."
>>
>> >What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>> >over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>> >execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.
>>
>> >The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>> >was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>> >the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.
>>
>> >"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>> >citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.
>>
>> >Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>> >Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>> >illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.
>>
>> >While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>> >action.
>>
>> >The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>> >the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>> >Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>> >charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>> >do as it thought best until charges were laid.
>>
>> >By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>> >evidence had been gathered.
>>
>> >Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>> >drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>> >choose who it chooses to cooperate with."
>>
>> >International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>> >the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>> >Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>> >a decade.
>>
>> >Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>> >threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.
>>
>> >Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>> >penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>> >support of up to 80 per cent.
>>
>> >In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>> >that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>> >for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>> >die.
>>
>> >Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.
>>
>> >In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>> >Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>> >acts of terrorism.
>>
>> >Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>> >Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>> >said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>> >pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.
>>
>> >How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.
>>
>> >Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>> >out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>> >Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.
>>
>> >Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>> >inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>> >times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>> >shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.
>>
>> >It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>> >High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>> >Jakarta.
>>
>> >And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>> >grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>> >his mind.
>>
>> >Death penalty Australia's double dilemma
>> >
>> >18.02.06
>> >By Greg Ansley
>>
>



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I doubt that even the fags would bother visiting Canada, 
not even to get a fag "marriage"

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:20:02 GMT, PureVenom 
wrote:

>This should do wonders for the airlines considering landing at the Leduc
>moosepasture with idiots for WEM from Europe!!

>Looks like a very lean summer for the tourist slime in STABmonton, if suckers
>from Europe continue the boycott!!


>On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:18:38 GMT, RevPhelps 
>wrote:

>>In a headline news story today published across Canada, German and 
>>Dutch tour operators will now start to boycott Canada.

>>This is part of a protest against Canada cancelling GST rebates for foreign
>>visitors. As many tour operators stated, "We simply can not afford to lose
>>money on bookings to Canada."

>>European tour operators, because of EU regulations, are unable to pass on to
>>their customers increases in costs, such as being forced to pay the Canadian
>>GST without being able to recover from the Canadian government.

>>The Tourism Industry Association of Canada is very disappointed with the tour
>>operators for their decision to pull out of Rendez-vous Canada.

>>It is a public relations and marketing challenge, president Randy Williams
>>claims.

>>Coming on the heels of all the bad news for tourism in Canada - the
>>over-priced Canuck dollar, SARS, post-911 strict travel security measures at
>>airports, confusion over the US passport rules, and significant crime problems
>>in places such as Edmonton Canada, tourism across Canada will really feel the
>>effect of the boycott.

>>It is expected that Caribbean destinations, Australia, and even South America
>>should all benefit from the stupidity of the Canadian government.



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At least some countries know what to do with the human garbage involved with
drugs!

Malaysia,Singapore,  Indonesia and Saudi Arabia know that an executed criminal
will never re-offend.

Pity that the UK, Canada and the US still have not learned this!


On Wed, 30 May 2007 00:49:01 +1000, BernardZ  wrote:

>Alex the death penalty still exists in Saudi Arabia

>http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?
>xfile=data/middleeast/2007/May/middleeast_May217.xml§ion=middleeast&
>col=


>RIYADH - A Saudi convicted of murder and two Pakistanis found guilty of 
>drug trafficking were beheaded by the sword on Sunday, the interior 
>ministry said.

>Mufreh bin Ahmad al-Missbali Assiri stabbed to death Abdullah bin 
>Mohammed al-Mudhlim Assiri after an argument, the ministry said in a 
>statement carried by the state news agency SPA.

>He was executed in the southwestern region of Assir.

>The two Pakistani men were beheaded in the Red Sea city of Jeddah for 
>drug trafficking, the ministry said in a separate statement.

>Nasser Khan and Abdulrasheed Musharaf were caught trying to smuggle 
>undisclosed amounts of heroin hidden in their stomachs into the kingdom, 
>the ministry said.

>The beheadings brought to 66 the number of executions announced by the 
>Saudi authorities this year.

>At least 37 people were executed in 2006, while 83 were put to death in 
>2005 and 35 the year before, according to AFP tallies based on official 
>statements.

>Executions are usually carried out in public in Saudi Arabia, which 
>applies a strict form of sharia, or Islamic law. Rape, murder, apostasy, 
>armed robbery and drug trafficking can all carry the death penalty.



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Guys, stop discussing ambulances.

How much do you think would be fair pay for the clowns on council, plus the
mare?

I doubt that we would get any candidates if we paid them what they are REALLY
worth, but at least give them something, for wasting hundreds of millions -
say welfare rates?


On 9 Apr 2006 21:38:59 -0000, Dump The Crooks  wrote:

>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>long suspected.

>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>are endorsing.

>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>Premier of Alberta!!

>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>councvillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?



>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant




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When TWO Jew media - Canadian Jew News, and Jewish Telegraph Agency 
both report the story, it must be true!!

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:25:51 GMT, scott@free.info wrote:

>Yehuda Bauer on the Wannsee Conference

>THE CANADIAN JEWISH NEWS, Jan. 30, 1992 

>Wannsee's importance rejected 
>London (JTA) - An Israeli Holocaust scholar has debunked the Wannsee
>Conference, at which top Nazi officials are said to have gathered at a
>villa in a Berlin suburb in 1942 to draw the blueprints of the "Final
>Solution." 

>According to Prof. Yehuda Bauer (photo) of the Hebrew University in
>Jerusalem, Wannsee was a meeting, "but hardly a conference", and
>"little of what was said there was executed in detail." 

>"The public still repeats, time after time, the silly story that at
>Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at."



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From: "Paul Fromm" 
To: 
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:42:09 -0400

Marc Lemire demands adjournment of Canadian Human Rights Tribunal until
Federal Court rules on CHRC abuse of Section 37

Support Marc Lemire's Constitutional Challenge

Be part of our team and contribute what you can to defeat this horrible law
and protect Freedom of Speech in Canada ! 

  
Via Mail: Send Cheque or Money Order to: 

Canadian Association for Free Expression,

P.O. Box 332,

Rexdale, ON

M9W 5L3

Canada


To: Canadian Human Rights Tribunal,

160 Elgin St., 11th Floor,

Ottawa, ON K1A 1J4


To the Tribunal:

This is a motion for an adjournment sine die pending the disposition of the
respondent’s application to the Federal Court of Canada in Lemire v. Warman et
al., Court File No. T-860-07, for a determination of the claim to public
interest immunity by the Canadian Human Rights Commission pursuant to section
37 of the Canada Evidence Act (hereinafter referred to as “the CEA.”)

The respondent filed the Notice of Application on May 17, 2007. The
application concerns the invocation of section 37 of the CEA on May 9 and 10,
2007 by the Commission during the testimony of Hannya Rizk and Dean Steacy. It
also concerns the invocation of section 37 by the Commission in response to
the motion by the respondent for a subpoena of Bell Canada.

The Tribunal was served with the Notice of Application on May 25, 2007.

Notices of Appearance in the proceeding have been filed by the Canadian Human
Rights Commission, the Attorney General of Canada, the Canadian Association
for Free Expression Inc. and the Canadian Free Speech League.


The Law

It is submitted that the normal and expected procedure where a section 37
objection has been made is for the inferior court or tribunal to adjourn the
proceedings to allow the matter to be taken to the superior courts. The
following are examples from the case law:

1. In R. v. Richards (1997), 115 C.C.C. (3d) 377 (Ont. C.A.), the judge in a
preliminary hearing adjourned the inquiry to allow the Crown to bring an
application under s. 37 of the CEA for an order prohibiting disclosure of the
information. On appeal, the Ontario Court of Appeal stated:

Ҧ 2 In the course of the preliminary inquiry, the Crown objected to
disclosure of information pertaining to the location from which the police
officer observed the alleged sale and the description of the automobile used
by the undercover officers when the alleged drug purchase was made. Judge
Casey, of the Provincial Division, concluded, correctly in our view, that the
information was relevant to the issue of identification, and could not be
excluded under the very limited power to exclude relevant defence evidence set
down in R. v. Seaboyer (1991), 66 C.C.C. (3d) 321 (S.C.C.) at 391. We do not
read Judge Casey's reasons as having determined the Crown's public interest
privilege claim. Instead, he adjourned the inquiry to allow the Crown to bring
an application under s. 37 of the Canada Evidence Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-5 for
an order prohibiting disclosure of the information.

…..

¶ 16 In those cases where the judge conducting the preliminary inquiry orders
disclosure, there will be some delay in the completion of the preliminary
inquiry if the Crown chooses to bring a s. 37 application. The Crown also has
the option of avoiding the delay by terminating the preliminary inquiry and
proceeding by way of a direct-line indictment under s. 577.2 The resultant
delay, while unfortunate, is necessary to give effect to Parliament's clear
intention that the Crown have access to the superior court before being
required to disclose information which it claims is protected by the public
interest privilege.”


2. In R. v. Vaillancourt [1995] O.J. No. 898 (QL) (Prov. Div.), a preliminary
inquiry was adjourned so that an objection under section 37 could be
adjudicated in the superior court:

Crown counsel, during the court of defence counsel's cross-examination of one
of its witnesses on a preliminary inquiry, has objected to that witness,
Detective Gauthier, answering certain questions by certifying orally pursuant
to section 37(1) of the Canada Evidence Act, that the witness' answers should
not be disclosed because they would reveal the identity of a police informer.
Crown counsel objected to this disclosure after the witness had refused to
answer certain questions and I had ruled that the information sought was
relevant to the defence and had compelled the witness to answer.

The preliminary inquiry was then adjourned, so that the issue of police
informant privilege could be determined by application to the General Division
of this court, pursuant to the procedure set out in section 37(3) of the
Canada Evidence Act.”


3. In Regina v. Philip (1993), 80 CCC (3d) 167 (Ont. C.A.), the trial
proceedings were adjourned to allow counsel to challenge the privilege claim
by the RCMP under section 37 of the Act. The Ontario Court of Appeal reviewed
the chronology in part as follows: 

“June 12, 1991 -- The trial commences with a voir dire to determine the
admissibility of the seized material. 

June 13, 1991 -- After approximately one and one-half days of evidence on the
voir dire, counsel for the R.C.M.P. appears and objects to the disclosure of
certain material in the police files. The objection is based on "public
interest" grounds. Counsel provides certificates under s. 37 of the Canada
Evidence Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. E-10, certifying the privilege claim. The trial
proceedings are adjourned to allow counsel to challenge the privilege claim in
the superior court as provided for in s. 37(3) of the Canada Evidence Act.”

4. In Re Attorney General of Canada et al. and Sander (1994), 90 CCC (3d) 41
(BCCA), the court held that an application under section 37 to a superior
court is an independent inquiry and not an interlocutory appeal or a review
and that therefore the trial proceedings should be adjourned to allow the
superior court to make its determination under the provision. It held:


“A s. 37 application is an independent inquiry which, by statute, may require
the attention of a judge other than the trial judge. Section 37(3) makes that
plain: 37(3) Subject to sections 38 and 39, where an objection to the
disclosure of information is made under subsection (1) before a court, person
or body other than a superior court, the objection may be determined, on
application, in accordance with subsection (2) by 

(b) the trial division or trial court of the superior court of the province
with which the court, person or body exercises its jurisdiction, in any other
case. 

Thus, when an objection to disclosure under s. 37 is made at trial by the
Crown in a court other than a superior court, the trial proceedings should be
adjourned so the objection may be determined in a superior court. Construing
s. 37 in that way, it cannot be said to authorize an interlocutory appeal or a
review. “ [at page 5 of attached case]

…
The authorities indicate that pursuing one claim does not exclude the other.
The problems experienced in this case arise from failing to separate the two
claims, and in dealing with the s. 37 application as if it was a review of the
disclosure order made at trial. Furthermore, if the provisions of s. 37(3) had
been employed, the application at trial for disclosure should have been
objected to immediately, with a request for an adjournment to allow the Crown
to pursue the s. 37(1) application. If that procedure had been employed, and
if the proper considerations had been advanced on the s. 37(1) application the
confusion could have been avoided. [at page 9 of attached case]

5. In R. v. Sander (1995), 98 CCC(3d) 564 (BCCA), the court held that a 40
month delay in the accused’s trial caused by an objection by the Crown under
s. 37 of the CEA infringed his right to a trial within a reasonable time. The
trial had been adjourned while the section 37 application was taken to the
superior court. The B.C. Court of Appeal, in upholding a stay of the
proceedings, held:

¶ 29 Where the trial is in Provincial Court, an application under s. 37
operates to interrupt the trial, to remove to another court the determination
of an issue ordinarily determined by the trial judge. The judge hearing the s.
37 application examines the documents to see whether the trial judge should
see them.

 
Submissions

The case law under section 37 of the CEA clearly indicates that it is a
separate and independent inquiry and not an interlocutory appeal. Case law
stating that judicial review from an evidentiary ruling during a hearing is
premature and inappropriate is not applicable in these circumstances. This is
obviously so in this case as the Tribunal did not make any rulings whatsoever
on the section 37 objections, acknowledging it had no jurisdiction to do so.


It is established procedure for the hearing or trial to be adjourned while the
determination of the objection under section 37 is made to a superior court. 

The Commission has invoked section 37 and it must be aware that an application
to a superior court will entail delays in this hearing. It has nevertheless
chosen to use an extraordinary procedure in order to protect information from
disclosure. The respondent is entitled under the law to a determination of
whether this information should be disclosed as it goes directly to the
constitutional issues raised in this case.

The respondent therefore requests that this matter be adjourned sine die
pending a final determination by the Federal Court in Lemire v. Warman et al.,
Court File No. T-860-07 and the completion or expiration of any appeals
therefrom.

http://www.freedomsite.org/legal/jun...ection_37.html

CHRC Abuse of Section 37 of the Canada Evidence Act to cover-up the misdeeds
of the CHRC

__________________

 



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>On 1 Mar 2007 16:33:32 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:

>>The Accusations

>>     Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

>>     Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>>     British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>>     escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>>     February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

>>     I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>>     I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>>     deeds of the war.

>>     While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still
>>     on my arm

>>     Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>>     uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

>>     Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

>>     Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>>     little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>>     when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>>     (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

>>     These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>>     published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

>>     "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>>     commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>>     in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>>     future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>>     directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>     political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>     authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

>>     This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>>     lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>>     Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>>     collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>     hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>>     Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>>     camps, the price...was not too high for me.

>>     "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>>     Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>>     While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>>     another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>>     with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>     he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>>     "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>>     a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

>>     "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>>     between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>>     immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>>     would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>>     blood to achieve his political goal...
>>     'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>>     this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>>     service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>>     would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>     concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>>     That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>>     (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

>>     Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>>     do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>>     money and military equipment."

>>     Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>     According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>>     When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>>     citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>>     Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>>     views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>     official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>>     Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>>     of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>     -88-

>KASTNER Case=ZYD ACCOMPLICE WITH NAZIS [88]

>Now there are at least another 50 documented cases like KASTNER, 
>and RUMKOWSKI!!
>The ZHIDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS!!

>Even the notorious Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to have been a nazi 
>GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


>On 24 Oct 2004 17:22:19 -0000, DerStuermer  wrote:

>>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>Here is the latest.......

>>From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>>Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>>Date: 1997/07/12

>>The Kastner Case

>>Introduction

>>Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>>up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of all
>>and will show that on this question 'The documentation available is
>>overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine Speaks
>>claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>>Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>>the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>>accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly the
>>most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist collaboration
>>broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first, and in greater detail.

>>Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>>concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>>about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some books
>>in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its case appears
>>strongest, and on the points to which it has given greatest emphasis,we
>>hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that things are not quite
>>what they may have appeared before this inquiry began.

>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>involving Rudolf Kastner.

>>Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>>Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>>'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>>rehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

>>That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>>Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>>3CR for anti-semitism.

>>It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>>anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>>what Kastner was accused of.

>>This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>>account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works dealing
>>with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart from 3CR, the
>>suppression of information has been so complete, that even an expert
>>like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on the matter, has
>>been unable to find out what it is all about.

>>The Accusations

>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

>>"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald,
>>he wrote:

>>'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

>>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>>brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives with
>>the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council
>>which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at
>>Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics
>>of the exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me when I
>>escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks
>>notice that Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'

>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>bargaining end there.

>>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany collapsed,
>>to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit. pp261-2)

>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

>>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation,
>>I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>>was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>>He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>>keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a
>>few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>>not too high for me.

>>.We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case
>>and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>>goal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>>keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>>After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid, p.26ö-61)

>>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>>merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>>equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is the term
>>that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had known what the
>>accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR saying 'In these
>>circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious and absurd'.

>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?

>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

>>The Verdict

>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on 3CR,
>>has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to the Jewish
>>community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to promote racism,
>>in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

>>It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>>complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>>the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>>its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information can
>>backfire on the censors themselves.

>>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

>>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>Kenyermeze.

>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead
>>the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>of Jewish leaders.

>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>spreading such false information and did not protest.

>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>hampering the deportation orders.

>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower
>>these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to
>>the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their community
>>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.

>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council
>>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>catastrophe.

>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

>>The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>>ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>>expensively if honorably guided.

>>Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>>exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>task easier.

>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.

>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>>the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>>Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>the extermination plan of the killers ?

>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>annihilation.

>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>the Nazi patronage of his committee.

>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority
>>of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the
>>agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the
>>Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of
>>Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.
>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>from the book of the living.

>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>to evade this truth.

>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated quickly
>>to another."

>>(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>>General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, 1955).

>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

>>"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.

>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.

>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>remove Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.

>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.

>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>stood up against the str