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Subject: Re: 2 more Aussie Drug Traffickers to be Hanged - GOOD! Repost
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In Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, all the garbage drug people get the same
treatment, no matter their colour.

All get the "long drop", which means they will no longer be a burden on
society.

They publicly advertise : DADAH MEANS DEATH at all points of entry, so that
the druggies know the penalty before entering the countries.


On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:33:33 +0800, "Agong Mat"  wrote:

>If these two unfortunate smuglers were white, it will be a different
>scaenario. The Oz PM, the GZ Governor and the Queen will all fight to save
>the white trash. So, you see, it alls boils down to racism! I just hope
>spmeday, some whute trash are caught in Malaysia and Singapore.

>"MattKern"  wrote in message
>news:coqt535rehksq4kqo904f0bumc1b13omao@4ax.com...
>> At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage people,
>> such as drug dealers.
>>
>> They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an executed
>> criminal will never re-offend!!
>>
>> Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for the
>upkeep
>> in some pampering prison system!!
>>
>> If only the justice systems in Australia & North America would follow
>suit!!!
>> Oz could start by executing the 4 Canadian drug trafickers it just
>arrested!!
>>
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
>wrote:
>>
>> >AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>> >Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>> >this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>> >the streets of Sydney.
>>
>> >The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>> >drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>> >radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>> >doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.
>>
>> >But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>> >tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>> >raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>> >a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>> >opposes the death penalty worldwide.
>>
>> >Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>> >Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>> >to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>> >traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>> >executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.
>>
>> >It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>> >Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>> >December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>> >appeals for clemency.
>>
>> >It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>> >despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>> >there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>> >bodies or conceal it in their luggage.
>>
>> >Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>> >Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>> >and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>> >lethally injects traffickers.
>>
>> >Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>> >Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>> >information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>> >of couriers the trade calls "mules".
>>
>> >"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>> >drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>> >he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>> >the law of quick dollars."
>>
>> >The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>> >sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>> >already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>> >his own party room.
>>
>> >The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>> >February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>> >uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.
>>
>> >Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>> >remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>> >previous successful run and another aborted attempt.
>>
>> >This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>> >determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>> >and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>> >treaties.
>>
>> >"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>> >engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>> >them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>> >we will continue to operate within."
>>
>> >What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>> >over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>> >execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.
>>
>> >The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>> >was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>> >the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.
>>
>> >"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>> >citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.
>>
>> >Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>> >Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>> >illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.
>>
>> >While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>> >action.
>>
>> >The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>> >the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>> >Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>> >charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>> >do as it thought best until charges were laid.
>>
>> >By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>> >evidence had been gathered.
>>
>> >Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>> >drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>> >choose who it chooses to cooperate with."
>>
>> >International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>> >the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>> >Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>> >a decade.
>>
>> >Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>> >threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.
>>
>> >Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>> >penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>> >support of up to 80 per cent.
>>
>> >In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>> >that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>> >for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>> >die.
>>
>> >Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.
>>
>> >In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>> >Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>> >acts of terrorism.
>>
>> >Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>> >Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>> >said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>> >pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.
>>
>> >How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.
>>
>> >Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>> >out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>> >Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.
>>
>> >Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>> >inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>> >times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>> >shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.
>>
>> >It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>> >High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>> >Jakarta.
>>
>> >And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>> >grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>> >his mind.
>>
>> >Death penalty Australia's double dilemma
>> >
>> >18.02.06
>> >By Greg Ansley
>>
>



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Subject: Re: Books in Canada STILL a ripoff! You Get JEWED!
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:03:55 -0700, "DetectorTHX11:59:01"  wrote:
>Leftists = traitors  wrote in message
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>> $37.00 for a book that costs $24.99 U.S.  Our dollars are within 10% of
>> each other.
>> Book prices haven't changed since our dollar was worth $0.63 U.S.  Of
>> course, we KNOW who owns Chapters-Indigo and they dictate to the publishers.
>> Their excuse that "you can't tool up that fast" as to why they can't
>> re-price books falls on deaf ears.  It does NOT take YEARS to rectify prices. F--- The Reitmans and
>> their cabal.

>They are part of Israhells fifth column in Canada, and are intertwined with
>the globalist Bilderberg gangsters.  They should be watched in case they are
>involved in any Mossad activities like stealing Canadian passports and
>spying.  They could be sending and recieving more than books.

And the ZYDS wonder why Canadians resent being JEWED, as per dictionary
definition!!



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Subject: Re: Selling house through COMFREE, is it a good idea? YES - Far Better than Parasite Realtors!! - Repost
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Notice that since the media gave the story great coverage, on TV and in
newspapers, the real estate parasites have suddenly become silent.

Guess they finally realised that they were giving the great services of
COMFREE lots of free publicity, which would further lesson their ripoff
commissions!!


On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:34:15 GMT, DaleNorton
 wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:21:25 GMT, "Bernie" 
>wrote:

>>I bought my current house thru welist last june.   I found it the day it was 
>>listed, as I checked every day.  It was a low down assumable, no qualifying. 
>>I picked it up for $10K...price was $219K in Queensland..a detachted 
>>bungalow.  I'm sure it's over $300K now.  My payments are $600 bi weekly, 
>>and I thought at the time that was alot...boy if I had to buy a house now 
>>I'd be SOL.

>>Aren't welist and comfree the same type of thing?

>>I was working with a couple of real estate parasites who knew of my 
>>challenging circumstances...divorce, bankruptcy....do you think those 
>>fuckers gave a rats ass about finding a house for me and my children???  If 
>>I didn't do my homework myself, I'd be fucking homeless, or living in that 
>>disgusting rental I was in.

>>My boyfriend hired a family 'friend' to list his parents house (he takes 
>>care of his elderly parents) in cranston...that fucking c*nt didn't do 
>>shit...just sat there and told them to lower the price when the house didn't 
>>move.  His mom lost out on $16K in parasite fees for nothing.  It made me 
>>crazy at the time....and it wasn't even my house.  Even for elderly, 
>>disabled people on a very fixed income, those fucking parasites won't lower 
>>their commissions....not even for supposed 'friends'.  Real Eastate 
>>parasites don't know the meaning of the word friend. Or the word giving or 
>>compassion.   All they care about is money money money.   As soon as I find 
>>out someone is an agent...I really just don't even want to communicate with 
>>them at all.  They are worse than loan sharks, used car salesmen, and 
>>lawyers.

>Further to your comments about the f**ing parasites, even though it is
>illegal to have price-fixing in real estate, the SOB realtors refuse
>to work for less than MLS max ripoff rates!!

>Avoid real estate scammers, and use a competitor, such as COMFREE, for
>a few hundred dollars, and as the Dutch guy says:
>SAVE YOUR MONEY - $10,000 to $25,000!
>>Long live welist and comfree.
>>Bernie

>>"Jules Striker"  wrote in message 
>>news:6p4me25rnchl9kdiohbjfab2d36o39peoi@4ax.com...
>>> With all the extra free TV publicity, the sales through COMFREE should
>>> really increase, while MLS sales should plummet.

>>> Let the realtors starve, the damn parasites!

>>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:03:36 GMT, "Bernie" 
>>> wrote:

>>>>Amen brother.

>>>>"Jules Striker"  wrote in message
>>>>news:c62he2d0brsbjdrecadl2a8ees9jpivh7k@4ax.com...
>>>>> Now that so many realtors are starving, because sensible home sellers
>>>>> have switched to using reasonably priced Comfree, they have filed a
>>>>> lawsuit against Comfree, and the Edmonton Journal gave it front page
>>>>> headline prominence.

>>>>> This is giving Comfree even more free publicity, which will result in
>>>>> even fewer sales by the parasitic realtors.

>>>>> In the current real estate market, where homes are sold in a matter of
>>>>> hours or  days, only an idiot would use a parasitic real estate agent.

>>>>> Firms such as Comfree not only save the seller from $16,000 to $20,000
>>>>> cash, or more, which stays in the seller's pocket, instead of the realtors.

>>>>> Comfree also provides a great set of instructions and guides on how to
>>>>> sell the house, as well as what to do regarding legal,etc.

>>>>> If the person actually owned the house, he should have enough smarts
>>>>> to read and understand the simple instructions from Comfree, thereby
>>>>> saving all the money, for himself.

>>>>> I have yet to find a real estate agent parasite worth the bullet to
>>>>> get rid of him. All the leeches want is a listing, and then you never
>>>>> see him again. He expects some hungrier parasite to sell the property,
>>>>> and he then splits the commission, for doing nothing.

>>>>> Use Comfree, and save all that money, for yourself!
>>>>> Did you see this article?
>>>>> http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/10851.cfm


>>>>> On 4 Aug 2006 07:03:40 -0700, insomniac_cam@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>>>>Huh? As a seller, I'd show you the house, give you and information on
>>>>>>what needs to be fixed....what I recently fixed and that's it.

>>>>>>I don't like making realestate (or any sale for that matter)
>>>>>>personal... if I'm selling its because the house probably needs more
>>>>>>work than I want to invest in it and I'm not going to have coffee with
>>>>>>you to discuss its 'thermal efficiencies'.... egads.

>>>>>>You either like what you see or you don't.... I absoluetly can't stand
>>>>>>people who hum and haw over the price if we both know its priced
>>>>>>fair... don't waste my time. Maybe thats why I've never tried
>>>>>>comfree..... and me and the wife both hate having someone follow us
>>>>>>around... as much as I appreciate the information from the seller, we
>>>>>>want to look at things and take time to notice any problems.

>>>>>>And if the house is a lemon and the seller knows it...unless he's a
>>>>>>retard he's hardly going to come out and tell you that... Caveat
>>>>>>Emptor. Remember he's trying to sell the house for the most he can get.
>>>>>>If you told me $10 to admission to come look at your house my wife
>>>>>>would kick you in the nuts and tell you youre crazy :)


>>>>>>tatarewicz wrote:
>>>>>>> As a buyer my preference would be to buy directly from the owner and
>>>>>>> find out everything he knows about the house, what needs to be done to
>>>>>>> improve thermal efficiency, etc., instead of trying to figure out what
>>>>>>> the problem is (which often takes twice as long as to fix it). If
>>>>>>> heavy rainfalls have caused some problem in the past, you might start
>>>>>>> on preventative measures as soon as you can rather than have these
>>>>>>> demonstrated to you in the future with associated damage. An owner has
>>>>>>> probably given some thought to various improvements, looked into 
>>>>>>> costs, merits etc. You can benefit from the research he's done; you won't get
>>>>>>> any of this information through real estate agents; they don't want 
>>>>>>> the owner around when showing the house. If the house is a lemon the owner
>>>>>>> might have good reason to stay out of sight.  If I were selling the
>>>>>>> house I'd charge ten dollars an hour for showing it, explaining 
>>>>>>> things, etc., (over and above info in data sheet) to discourage non-serious
>>>>>>> tirekickers.  Tatarewicz




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Glad to see that the finance and collections manager for Leduc was 
on his toes, and did the job for which he gets paid!!

Time to FIRE Lowry, after recovering the $450 Grand from his pay!!

Anyone stupid enough to hire this scammer, deserves to get swindled.


On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:34:46 GMT, LordTweedsmuir
 wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:04:02 GMT, LordTweedsmuir
> wrote:

>>The Journal for today, Wednesday 20 September 2006, reports that EPCOR
>>management failed to pay a bill in connection with their power plant, and
>>consequently had to pay a penalty of $450,000!!

>Will Lowry get FIRED for his negligence, or will he pass the buck on some
>junior staffer?

>>Will he be required to pay this penalty, out of his salary and bonuses, since
>>he is respondible?

>>Or, will he try to get the Utilities Board to raise rates to EPCOR customers
>>to make up for his negligence?



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Subject: Re: ENOCH CASINO & DEVELOPMENT-Open =KISS OF DEATH FOR WEM!! Hooray!! More
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The Edmonton Journal had several pages of news in the paper for Friday 27
October 2006, promoting the suberb facility at Enoch.

Now the flunkies at WEM are complaining that smoking is allowed at Enoch,
which is an independent NATION, while at WEM smoking is not allowed, so 
their customers are flooding to Enoch.

Further, Enoch have a shuttle bus service, from across the road at WEM on
87 Avenue, taking WEM customers, for FREE, to Enoch!!

Then to add insult to insury, the Journal had a banner headline story about
INSANITARY CONDITIONS AT WEM WATERPARK!!
No wonder people get sick there, with fecal contamination and worse!!

And do not forget the supersize COCKROACHES near the food stalls at WEM!!

With the strike of workers at the WEM casino now going into month 10, with
massive financial losses, the success of the River Cree casino is assured.


On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:30:34 -0500, "Nomad"  wrote:
>"GourdMcVay"  wrote in message
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>> On 7 September 2006, the Edmonton Journal again did a banner headline
>> feature on the coming opening next month of the Enoch Cree Casino and hotel
>> development.

>> It  OPENED TODAY , putting more pressure on the dying West
>> Edmonton Mall.

>> At the same time, media are reporting that the casino at West Edmonton
>> Mall is having a strike of employees. If it lasts for a few more weeks, all
>> their customers will be flooding into the new Enoch Casino, a few blocks away.

>> The operators of the WEM Casino admit they are losing 45% of their
>> business, so far, due to the strike. With Enoch opening, they will probably go under
>> at WEM.

>> To add insult to injury, while the WEM casino prohibits smoking, at Enoch
>> smokers are welcome!!

>...yep, and another case where the white man gets screwed!   Aaaaaa equality
>at it's best.

What a load of horse puckey!!

The Enoch Band paid out all their oil and gas revenues, not from white man
taxes!!

They have a first-class facility there, much better than the WEM dump!!



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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:52:07 -0500, "Nomad"  wrote:

>

>...so they've got a nice venue...so what, THAT's not the argument here...in 
>the event you've slept during this thread...the equality of the law is 
>what's in question here...

The ENOCH NATION is a separate legal NATION, and does not need to follow the
insanely stupid laws of communist Deadmonton!!

And wil the Permanently Constipated party of Oilberta proposing to bar smoking
throughout the province, more gamlers will decide to spend their money where
they are welcomed, and allowed to smoke!!


>"GordChartrand"  wrote in message 
>news:6i94k29vocj7o3knbggj5epkncjk41312q@4ax.com...
>> The Edmonton Journal had several pages of news in the paper for Friday 27
>> October 2006, promoting the suberb facility at Enoch.

>> Now the flunkies at WEM are complaining that smoking is allowed at Enoch,
>> which is an independent NATION, while at WEM smoking is not allowed, so 
>> their customers are flooding to Enoch.

>> Further, Enoch have a shuttle bus service, from across the road at WEM on 
>> 87 Avenue, taking WEM customers, for FREE, to Enoch!!

>> Then to add insult to insury, the Journal had a banner headline story 
>> about INSANITARY CONDITIONS AT WEM WATERPARK!!
>> No wonder people get sick there, with fecal contamination and worse!!

>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:30:34 -0500, "Nomad"  
>> wrote:
>>>"GourdMcVay"  wrote in message
>>>news:mpenj2hmvj0pmba902q6b76jffk5a6dvtm@4ax.com...
>>>> On 7 September 2006, the Edmonton Journal again did a banner headline
>>>> feature on the coming opening next month of the Enoch Cree Casino and 
>>>> hotel development.

>>>> It  OPENED TODAY , putting more pressure on the dying West
>>>> Edmonton Mall.

>>>> At the same time, media are reporting that the casino at West Edmonton
>>>> Mall is having a strike of employees. If it lasts for a few more weeks, 
>>>> all their customers will be flooding into the new Enoch Casino, a few blocks 
>>>> away.

>>>> The operators of the WEM Casino admit they are losing 45% of their
>>>> business, so far, due to the strike. With Enoch opening, they will 
>>>> probably go under at WEM.

>>>> To add insult to injury, while the WEM casino prohibits smoking, at 
>>>> Enoch smokers are welcome!!

>>>...yep, and another case where the white man gets screwed!   Aaaaaa equality
>>>at it's best.

>> What a load of horse puckey!!

>> The Enoch Band paid out all their oil and gas revenues, not from white man
>> taxes!!

>> They have a first-class facility there, much better than the WEM dump!!

Plus they believe in choice - re smoking - something Dumb Dave Hancock
doesn't support. Come the next election, he is history!



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On 27 Aug 2006 10:53:01 -0700, in can.politics "Leftists = traitors"
 wrote:

Yes, in the latest bit of irony, the Jews prove once again they are at
the vanguard of censorship and supression of free speech in the 
Western world.

http://www.cjc.ca/template.php?action=itn&Story=1889

Aug 22, 2006 - CBC.CA News
A racist website that shut down Sunday night after a complaint to the
Canadian Human Rights Commission returned to the internet less than 
a day later in a more vitriolic form.

The site, called "Dossier Noir," was originally based in Quebec and
targeted black Canadians, calling them criminals.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/wanted.php

In its new form, the site contains anti-Semitic content.

The man who now runs it, a U.S. neo-Nazi named Bill White, put the 
name and address of a Canadian human rights lawyer Richard Warman, 
who fights against hate, on the website.

The Canadian Jewish Congress has been hoping to see White silenced for
years, but he has been protected by U.S. free-speech laws.

The CJC said White is clearly counselling violence and they hope U.S.
authorities will finally arrest him.

Earlier this month, the Centre for Research-Action on Race Relations
filed a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission about the
website, which published the addresses of a group of men accused in
connection with an alleged gang rape.



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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:26:45 GMT, in alt.revisionism "abc" 
wrote:

"Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced 
that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax.

Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and 
fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 
1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in 
Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on 
all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found 
no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's 
findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring.

The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty. 
These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically 
sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans 
had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, 
as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no 
equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. 
Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. 
There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors 
or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed.

Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body 
has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have 
been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died 
of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were 
murdered Germans, not Jews. Roughly the equivalent of ten football fields 
should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not one 
body has ever been discovered.

The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery to 
arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail or 
even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents ever 
presented were drawn up AFTER the war.

Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every so-called gas 
chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six million 
Jews!

Even The Diary of Anne Frank is a hoax. Portions of the diary were written 
with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne Frank 
lived.

It is not denied concentration camps existed. Tragically, many died of 
typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations. There is, 
however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of genocide.

Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as retribution 
for Holocaust gassings. Our country has donated more money to Israel than to 
any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion per year, 
everything included. If not for our extravagantly generous gifts to Israel, 
every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes Benz. Surely the 
American people would be outraged if they realized their hard-earned money 
is being squandered in these difficult times.

With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why this 
Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded. The Jewish name for Holocaust is 
"Shoah." In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business." If nothing 
else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist 
influence and control of our country. Their only defense against the facts 
is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the majority of 
those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you would 
never know it from the media.

In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth. It is 
time we stop sacrificing America's welfare for the sake of Israel and spend 
our hard-earned dollars on Americans.

(For more information contact The Institute for Historical Review P.O. Box 
2739 Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA).

There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust never 
existed. Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, (Pan Horizons edition, Pan 
Books Ltd., London, 1989), indicates that the size of Auschwitz, the most 
notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000 people 
(many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the Germans at 
the time of the Russian advance in 1945. Certainly, compared to Spielberg's 
film, Schindler's List (which Emilie Schindler, Oskar's widow, said was full 
of lies), and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews 
were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number. 
Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had 
hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137 people PER 
HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such small 
camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible 
considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and The 
Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by the 
entire German and Japanese war machines combined during WW2 (see p.397-400 
of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe the 
Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler must 
KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY FEW 
OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WW2.
On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A. Lindbergh 
broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that when 
Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WW2, he was 
told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells us that 
25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact, it 
doesn't even equal 600,000. . . .

It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called persecuted Jews KEEPS 
INCREASING. Hal Greenwald, program director for the Hillel Foundation at 
Duke University, a Jewish student group, has been promoting the idea that 
NINE MILLION JEWS WERE EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York 
Times, Nov. 9, 1991, AP). NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING. ..JUST LIKE OUR 
DEBT/TAX MONEY SUPPLY...THE NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR. . 
.(The Bible Caused Economic and Financial Slavery in the New World Order by 
Lee Cheney)".



Read the entire article online in depth:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm




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At least some countries know what to do with the human garbage involved with
drugs!

Malaysia,Singapore,  Indonesia and Saudi Arabia know that an executed criminal
will never re-offend.

Pity that the UK, Canada and the US still have not learned this!


On Wed, 30 May 2007 00:49:01 +1000, BernardZ  wrote:

>Alex the death penalty still exists in Saudi Arabia

>http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?
>xfile=data/middleeast/2007/May/middleeast_May217.xml§ion=middleeast&
>col=


>RIYADH - A Saudi convicted of murder and two Pakistanis found guilty of 
>drug trafficking were beheaded by the sword on Sunday, the interior 
>ministry said.

>Mufreh bin Ahmad al-Missbali Assiri stabbed to death Abdullah bin 
>Mohammed al-Mudhlim Assiri after an argument, the ministry said in a 
>statement carried by the state news agency SPA.

>He was executed in the southwestern region of Assir.

>The two Pakistani men were beheaded in the Red Sea city of Jeddah for 
>drug trafficking, the ministry said in a separate statement.

>Nasser Khan and Abdulrasheed Musharaf were caught trying to smuggle 
>undisclosed amounts of heroin hidden in their stomachs into the kingdom, 
>the ministry said.

>The beheadings brought to 66 the number of executions announced by the 
>Saudi authorities this year.

>At least 37 people were executed in 2006, while 83 were put to death in 
>2005 and 35 the year before, according to AFP tallies based on official 
>statements.

>Executions are usually carried out in public in Saudi Arabia, which 
>applies a strict form of sharia, or Islamic law. Rape, murder, apostasy, 
>armed robbery and drug trafficking can all carry the death penalty.



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Subject: McVay/Nizkor & Harry Mazal Engaged in MONEY LAUNDERING & RICO - Repost
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:55:06 -0700, in can.general Frank Arthur
 wrote:

Mcvay/Nizkor & Harry Mazal/BB Engaged in Illegal MONEY LAUNDERING!
Proof!

Time for the Auditor-General of Canada to get the RCMP, and Interpol 
plus IRS and RICO onto McVay and his criminal money laundering
activities.

With Bnai Brith involved, and Harry Mazal in the USA, there must be
many, many millions of dollars for the tax authorities to recover,
including from those donors who supported all the criminality!!

Links to Doc Tavish posts which give proof to McVay's criminality and 
money being laundered:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5e2047e8f5129b1a?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally 
Owned and Controlled by Jews   v3.0   U0221
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:43:31 -0600
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http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/1d1cf50fcc74cca7?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000+ Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Nizkor 
Director Ken McVay is Lying About Funds
He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Reports are Further 
Proof! V5.0 U_0122
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Date: 22 Jan 2006 09:24:36 GMT
                  Two Companion pieces to the above:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New 
Archives and The Same Funding Lie by
Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
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Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
------------------------------AND-------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio 
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!)
V3.0  Updated Links T_0625
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Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam? 
You All be the Judges!  V2-0
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Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
  (Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund 
should both be renamed the Kenneth McVay
Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay Trust Fund seeing how the Nizkor 
Project is a web site solely operated
by Kenneth McVay from a back room of his personal residence. McVay is 
the sole recipient and beneficiary of
those two "bogus" funds!)
  Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his 
defense of McVay; he's evidently getting some
of that laundered money too as indicated here:
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken 
Lewis Benefitting from McVay's
Funding Scams?   V2.0  T_1227
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Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and 
Tax Scam  V2.0
Message-ID: 
Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
  (The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and 
currently perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and
Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in which B'nai Brith launders exempt 
donations and passes them to McVay as
tax free even though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive 
exempt donations. This is more or less a similar
tax scheme which resulted in criminal prosecutions.)


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant



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On 1 Mar 2007 16:33:32 -0800, "Venceremos"  wrote:

>The Accusations

>     Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

>     Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>     British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>     escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>     February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

>     I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>     I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>     deeds of the war.

>     While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still
>     on my arm

>     Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>     uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

>     Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

>     Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>     little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>     when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>     (Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

>     These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>     published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

>     "I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>     commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>     in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>     future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>     directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>     political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>     authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

>     This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>     lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>     Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>     collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>     hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>     Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>     camps, the price...was not too high for me.

>     "...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>     Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>     While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>     another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>     with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>     he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

>     "Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>     a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

>     "As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>     between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>     immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>     would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>     blood to achieve his political goal...
>     'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>     this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>     service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>     would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>     concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>     That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>     (Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

>     Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>     do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>     money and military equipment."

>     Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>     According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>     When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>     citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>     Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
>     views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>     official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>     Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>     of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>     -88-

KASTNER Case=ZYD ACCOMPLICE WITH NAZIS [88]

Now there are at least another 50 documented cases like KASTNER, 
and RUMKOWSKI!!
The ZHIDS COLLABORATED WITH NAZIS!!

Even the notorious Simon WIESENTHAL is proven to have been a nazi 
GESTAPO COLLABORATOR!!


On 24 Oct 2004 17:22:19 -0000, DerStuermer  wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all
>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>Date: 1997/07/12

>The Kastner Case
>-----------------

>Introduction

>Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of all
>and will show that on this question 'The documentation available is
>overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine Speaks
>claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

>Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly the
>most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist collaboration
>broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first, and in greater detail.

>Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some books
>in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its case appears
>strongest, and on the points to which it has given greatest emphasis,we
>hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that things are not quite
>what they may have appeared before this inquiry began.

>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving Rudolf Kastner.

>Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>rehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

>That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>3CR for anti-semitism.

>It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>what Kastner was accused of.

>This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works dealing
>with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart from 3CR, the
>suppression of information has been so complete, that even an expert
>like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on the matter, has
>been unable to find out what it is all about.
>
>The Accusations
>----------------
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald,
>he wrote:
>
>'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives with
>the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council
>which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at
>Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics
>of the exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me when I
>escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks
>notice that Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there.
>
>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany collapsed,
>to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit. pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation,
>I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a
>few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>not too high for me.
>
>.We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case
>and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
>keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid, p.26ö-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is the term
>that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had known what the
>accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR saying 'In these
>circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious and absurd'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>The Verdict
>------------
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on 3CR,
>has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to the Jewish
>community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to promote racism,
>in bad taste and contrary to common sense.
>
>It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information can
>backfire on the censors themselves.
>
>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:
>
>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead
>the Jews.
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower
>these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to
>the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their community
>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council
>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
>ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
>expensively if honorably guided.
>
>Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
>exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
>the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
>Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority
>of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the
>agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the
>Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of
>Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated quickly
>to another."
>
>(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
>General
>v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, 1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>
>"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he concealed
>the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>remove Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment
>the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were
>sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that there
>was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal.
>Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
>given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
>in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." (ibid)
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproven
>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
>been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.
>
>Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
>completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
>matter.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
>
>The Reaction
>-------------
>Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
>Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
>now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.
>
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>
>In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
>journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:
>
>"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>
>*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>
>"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>defense." (23 June 1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>libel.
>
>As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>*Ma'ariv*:
>
>"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
>government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
>collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
>government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
>of our history!
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24 June 1955)
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand here
>as a private individual. He was a recognized representative, official or
>non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in Palestine and of the
>Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court to defend the
>representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the
>name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point
>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
>court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>rehabilitated'.
>
>The Majority Judgement
>-------------------------
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and convicted
>Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>
>In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
>fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
>totally missing the point.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
>Kastner.
>They JOINED him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying,
>'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which on can
>properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>.And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration and
>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>his efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>disclose the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>with the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>his findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>at.
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>hour of crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>warn and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>train for Palestine.
>
>The Minority Judgement
>--------------------------
>It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
>Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
>sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority judgement of
>Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>
>"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret of the
>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews,
>even though, in fact, he brought about its result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from
>the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>able to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money,
>bribery, etc - and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds
>of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>he decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>of the last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>the countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>the news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>activity.
>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
>- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
>machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder.
>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
>evidence for this.
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great
>war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>is attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>retroactive light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>Conclusion
>-----------
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
>President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the 'dragging in
>of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi relationships'.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
>being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds of
>'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that they
>were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on
>the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it, 'now dead'. Or
>putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
>Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
>before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
>not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
>secret service.
>(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
>admitted in court during the murder trial).
>
>Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
>dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
>as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many people
>have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is whether,
>if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many more could
>have been saved, and whether this is not an essential future consideration,
>at least as an insurance policy.
>
>The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
>Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the Nazis
>and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had not
>existed.
>Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
>insurance policy, is like using petro for a fire extinguisher.
>
>Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
>run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.
>
>We shall go on to prove this in detail.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Elias Davidsson - Oldugata 50 - 101 Reykjavik - Iceland
>Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
>Email: edavid@itn.is     URL:  http://www.nyherji.is/~edavid


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then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


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yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
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a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
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background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just 
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I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
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work:(780)492-0473

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As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
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May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: Frank Arthur
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the like.





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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:12:32 -0700, Frank Arthur  wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:34:52 GMT, Carter ,  in wrote:
>>Jeff Rainer wrote:

>>>> Have seen nothing in any of the above which changes my basic premise,
>>>> i.e. if a sentence of "life" really meant life it would take killers
>>>> away from preying on society while also guarding against their being
>>>> executed if later evidence found them to be innocent. DP should remain
>>>> for those who kill police officers or prison guards.

>>> Why is the life of a cop or prison guard more valuable than the life of 
>>> another citizen?

>>It has nothing to do with the value of life.  It recognizes that 
>>to kill someone in authority is a more serious offence than to 
>>kill someone who has no authority over the killer.

>>Carter

Cops do NOT deserve special consideration, any more than do any 
other humans killed.

Killers of cops deserve the DP, the same as do crooked politicians, 
drug dealers, AIDS-spreaderes and similar vermin!!

Go back to law of Hamurabi - an eye for an eye!



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On 1 Sep 2006 02:12:02 -0700, in can.politics "auldbobpeffers@aol.com"
 wrote:

Canada government slips in key battleground: poll

OTTAWA (Reuters) - The decision by Canada's minority Conservative
government to take a strongly pro-Israel stance is costing the party
support in the influential French-speaking province of Quebec,
according to a poll published on Thursday.

A CROP survey for La Presse newspaper put support for the federal
Conservatives at 24 percent, down from 33 percent from the firm's last
poll in late June. The separatist Bloc Quebecois was at 36 percent, up
six points.

The poll -- the latest in a line of surveys showing lackluster support
for the Conservative government -- is likely to dent speculation of a
possible election later this year.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives control only 125 of the
308 seats in Parliament and need to boost support in Quebec if he is to
stand any chance of winning a majority in the next election. The
Conservatives won 10 of Quebec's 75 seats in the January 23 vote.

CROP vice-president Claude Gauthier said it was clear that people in
Quebec -- one of the more left-leaning provinces -- disliked Harper's
backing for Israeli attacks against Lebanon.

As well, many were outraged when eight members of a Montreal family on
holiday in Lebanon were killed by an Israeli bombardment.

"Quebecers blame the Conservatives for giving almost unconditional
support to one side from the very beginning," Gauthier told the
newspaper. Harper said at the start of the assault that the Israeli
response was measured.

"Quebecers saw that as a lack of compassion, given what was happening
to Lebanese civilians," said Gauthier, adding that some people had also
been upset by recent big military spending announcements and Harper's
decision to skip a major        AIDS conference in Toronto earlier this
month.

The opposition Liberals -- who lost the election amid a Quebec kickback
scandal -- rose four points to 21 percent.

Many political observers doubt Harper will call an election unless
national support for the party hits 40 percent. The Conservatives are
currently hovering around 36 percent, the same level they achieved in
the January election.

Separately, CROP said support for Quebec's provincial Liberal
government was unchanged at 32 percent while the separatist Parti
Quebecois gained two points to 37 percent.

Quebec Premier Jean Charest, who won power in 2003, is expected to call
an election within the next year. Gauthier said the Liberals would need
to be at least five points ahead of the Parti Quebecois to stand a
chance of retaining power.

The Parti Quebecois says that if it wins the next election, it will
quickly hold another referendum on independence. Similar province-wide
polls failed in 1980 and 1995.

The CROP poll of 1,000 people was carried out from August 17 to 28 and
is considered accurate to within three percentage points, 19 times out
of 20.



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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:14:14 -0700, VicRCurious@hotmail.com wrote:

Not only in Canada are the Russian ZYD Mafia making false claims as
alleged "REFUGEES" from israel, just so they can jump the queue for
immigration, as well as being parasites on the taxpayers of the host
countries!!

Just ask taxpayers in Australia and New Zealand about their Israelis!


>On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:36:26 -0700, Frank Arthur 
>wrote:
>
>>In a banner headline story on the front page of the issue of Canadian
>>Jew News for January 18 2007, is a huge story detailing how Israelis
>>are filing fraudulent claims as "REFUGEES", to jump the immigration
>>queues, and get into Canada.
>>
>>Even the Embassy in Canada for Israel is enraged about these false
>>claims, usually made by people who emigrated to Israel from the former
>>Soviet Union. They state categorically that these claims are
>>spurious!!
>>
>>The Israeli newspaper Ha'Aretz had a feature story in their issue for
>>31 December 2006. The article claimed that in year 2005 there were 679
>>claims as refugees made by these criminals, with many of these false
>>claims made to Canadian authorities.
>>
>>Canadian Jew News claims that 369 claims were made by Israelis
>>claiming refugee status in the 9 months from January to September 2006
>>alone!!
>>
>>The crooked Canadian Refugee people allowed 91 of these criminals to
>>stay in Canada at taxpayer expense!! In fact Israel has made the top
>>10 list of source countries for people claiming refugee status in the
>>first 3 quarters of 2006!!
>>
>>In fact, since 2000, almost 3,000 Israelis have claimed refugee
>>status, so that they can stay in Canada and live off Canadian
>>taxpayers with their fraudulent claims.



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The death penalty will also apply to female druggies, since they do not
discriminate based on sex.

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:26:14 -0400, "Paris Hilton" 
wrote:

>All backwards, ignorant societies, to be sure.

>Why don't you expound on how wonderfully the aforementioned 4 countries 
>treat their women?

>"MattKern"  wrote in message 
>news:po2363d8tmo9g0rscp7hbpusm23m5l5ai0@4ax.com...
>> At least some countries know what to do with the human garbage involved 
>> with drugs!
>>
>> Malaysia,Singapore,  Indonesia and Saudi Arabia know that an executed 
>> criminal
>> will never re-offend.
>>
>> Pity that the UK, Canada and the US still have not learned this!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 00:49:01 +1000, BernardZ  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Alex the death penalty still exists in Saudi Arabia
>>
>>>http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?
>>>xfile=data/middleeast/2007/May/middleeast_May217.xml§ion=middleeast&
>>>col=
>>
>>
>>>RIYADH - A Saudi convicted of murder and two Pakistanis found guilty of
>>>drug trafficking were beheaded by the sword on Sunday, the interior
>>>ministry said.
>>
>>>Mufreh bin Ahmad al-Missbali Assiri stabbed to death Abdullah bin
>>>Mohammed al-Mudhlim Assiri after an argument, the ministry said in a
>>>statement carried by the state news agency SPA.
>>
>>>He was executed in the southwestern region of Assir.
>>
>>>The two Pakistani men were beheaded in the Red Sea city of Jeddah for
>>>drug trafficking, the ministry said in a separate statement.
>>
>>>Nasser Khan and Abdulrasheed Musharaf were caught trying to smuggle
>>>undisclosed amounts of heroin hidden in their stomachs into the kingdom,
>>>the ministry said.
>>
>>>The beheadings brought to 66 the number of executions announced by the
>>>Saudi authorities this year.
>>
>>>At least 37 people were executed in 2006, while 83 were put to death in
>>>2005 and 35 the year before, according to AFP tallies based on official
>>>statements.
>>
>>>Executions are usually carried out in public in Saudi Arabia, which
>>>applies a strict form of sharia, or Islamic law. Rape, murder, apostasy,
>>>armed robbery and drug trafficking can all carry the death penalty.
>> 
>



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Isn't Black the anglicized version of Schwarz?

And do not forget Black married that well known jew woman Barbara Amiel.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:05:27 -0700, Leftists = traitors 
wrote:

>Is Conrad Black Jewish?
>I kind of wonder, because his partner is, Radler.  If not, it's no
>surprise.  Black is likely going to jail, meanwhile Radler basically
>serves no time and walks free. 

> Another one of them, equally or more guilty than Black of absconding 
>with company money (who won't spend 1 day in jail) is Canada's 
>Garth Drabinsky a Jew and his partner, another Jew. 
>In Canada, it is near impossible to ever convict one of
>them of a crime.

And never forget the $1,500 MILLION SCAM BY THE BRONFMANs 
on the Canadian Tax department!

>from Wikipedia:
>Mr. Drabinsky, and his partner, Myron Gottlieb, were indicted in New
>York, New York on charges of accounting fraud. Drabinsky and Gottlieb
>failed to appear for trial and are now under fugitive arrest warrants
>in the United States. Furthermore, in October 2002, the Royal Canadian
>Mounted Police charged Mr. Drabinsky and three other former Livent
>senior executives with fraud affecting the public market. These
>charges were laid under Section 380 (1)(a) of the Criminal Code of
>Canada; police allege that the accused defrauded creditors and private
>and public investors of approximately one-half a billion dollars
>between December 14, 1989, and June 23, 1998, allegedly by falsifying
>the corporate financial statements of Livent Inc. and therefore
>misrepresenting the financial health of the company.



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Subject: Re: KOSHER TAX SCAM-Heinz/Libby Dump,Too Expensive To Pay!! + KOSHER TAX VIDEO! Repost
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To see a video about the KOSHER TAX, go to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWn--jlRVAI&mode=related&search=

Thanks for posting this nice little introduction to the KosherNostra,
Tommy.

The Kosher industry is a fungus that has penetrated into every level of
US foods production, to the point that, even if you dig around 'til
you find a brand that *doesn't* bear the mark of the Kosher Beast,
most of the ingredients were still likely certified at some level, so
the Kashrus Khazars are still probably getting a cut.

The film indicates that a portion of the monies extracted from the
sleeping Gentiles in the Kosher racket goes to "support Israel"
(read OPPRESS PALESTINIANS), and this is almost undoubtedly the case.
The OU (Orthodox Union) is the Big Nose in the US Kash-R-Us market, and
they kick massive amounts of cash to support Zionist "causes" in
the Jewish State.

If the Khazars want to eat Kosher from a can, that's fine by me. But
let them pay for their own fetishes - pass around the plat at the ol'
synagogue. But it'd better be a damn BIG plate, as the film indicated
that they'd need to raise about 6 billion a year to replace the
monies that the Goyim currently unwittingly subsidize them.

One final note: As the film mentioned, some companies are now beginning
to balk - disbelieving the lies told them by the Kosher Racketeers, and
dumping certification.  Others are trying to get the best of both
worlds - for instance, right now I'm eating Planters Dry Roasted
Peanuts. On the package is a simple letter "K". It's not a
enclosed in a circle or a triangle, not enmeshed ins some fancy
pattern, just a simple "K" located approximately where an
"official" Kosher Symbol - owned by the racketeers- would be
placed.

This means that the company is self-regulating, and is NOT playing the
Kosher Racketeers game - OR paying them.    0:-(>

This is the company's way of telling the Kash-R-US Rabbis to take a
flying leap - as the Jews can't copyright the letter "K", (and
this drives these Food Nazis mad). Of course, Kosher Keeping Jew would
never buy the product because they know better - but the  "Kosher is
Better" Gentile consumer - those who have been duped into believing
that the Kosher seal somehow translates to mean a "better" product
(it doesn't - EVER) will never know the difference, and will buy it
anyway.


The shitty part for the Rabbinical Racketeers is that they CAN'T try
to educate the Gentile public on this matter - if they do, the jig'll
be up, and they'll soon be paying for their own picnic.  0:-(>


Will Planters (or Tabasco, etc) miss the Kosher Jewish market? Hell no!
Jews make up only about 2% of the US population, and only about 10% of
those are serious about keeping Kosher on a daily basis. To paraphrase
the ADL's article: The profit that companies make by selling mainline
products to Kosher Keeping Jews is SO low that "we can't even
calculate it".
**
Waldo
Observer at Large



Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
KOSHER TAX, who is more believable, them or liars such as you?

 Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
$30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!


On Tue, 30 May 2006 21:43:26 -0400, "zr"  wrote:

>You've got so much crap you should bottle it.
>Heinz & Libby both still have "cor" on their products. Just look on the back 
>of a bottle of Ketchup dimwit!
>Here is also another fact for you "herr grubber" the Heiress to the Heinz 
>fortune is a Jewess married to a Jew John F Kerry. You know the one, he ran 
>for President of the USA.
>Never mind Das Boat you get Das Boot imbecile.
>
>"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
>news:esbp729g8oqmc6h0b6hbodfj50rlfqgaa5@4ax.com...
>> Yes, YOU ARE PURE BS!!

>> When even Heinz/Libby must go public to announce why they dumped the 
>> KOSHER TAX, who is more beleivable, them or liars such as you?

>> Even Philip Wolf of Calgary Canada testified in Court that he made around
>> $30,000 a year, standing around businesses as a kosher food inspector!!

>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!

>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:53:33 -0500, "zr"  wrote:
>>
>>>Pure Bullshit!
>>>Next you'll be telling everyone Hallal foods are a rip off. Then Cereal, 
>>>and
>>>baby food.
>>>How about dog food.
>>>Isn't that what you white trash racists eat.
>>
>>>"Jules Streiker"  wrote in message
>>>news:ps7lt11vqd26jm3sc17tvahpierd7qhtha@4ax.com...
>>>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
>>>> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
>>>> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!
>>>>
>>>> We do know that Philip Wolf a part-time kosher food inspector (sic)
>>>> in Calgary Canada testified in court that he gets $35,000 for his
>>>> part-time job!!
>>>>
>>>> Heinz/Libby finally got fed up this year,and stopped paying the
>>>> extortion tax!!
>>>>
>>>> Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
>>>> longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
>>>> like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
>>>> Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
>>>> Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
>>>> such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
>>>> qualified to do...
>>>>
>>>> Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
>>>> ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
>>>> hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!
>>>>
>>>>>From: norma2339@charter.net
>>>>>Newsgroups: wpg.general,calgary.general
>>>>>Subject: Re: Heinz Dumps KOSHER TAX-Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>>>>>Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:33:32 -0800
>>>>>"veranda"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:...
>>>>>> > >     veranda : the origins of Kosher are of very good value since 
>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>> > > teaches sanitary way of food storage , handling and preparation .
>>>>>> > > Those were valuable practices hundreds of years ago .
>>>>>> > >     The whole point is that Today it only duplicates the work of
>>>>>> > > Public Food Inspectors and therefore is an unjustified extra cost
>>>>
>>>>>>  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9abc4e06.0304010305.50dc870e@posting.google.com...
>>>>>> > What duplication?  It is a symbol on the container and the cost 
>>>>>> > would
>>>>>> > not change in any way.  This "paranoia" is silly.
>>>>
>>>>>veranda : what 'paranoia' ?? we are talking about saving money .
>>>>>In order to have the Kosher mark on a product the manufacturer
>>>>>must subscribe to the Rabbi inspections ( just like Public
>>>>>Inspectors ) and the Rabbi are charging money for their services ,
>>>>>you knew that !
>>>>>Kosher is Israel's food inspectors , dear , not in Canada though ,
>>>>>we got our own  !  :)
>>>>
>>>>>Well, to set the record straight.  The Rabbinate council that approves
>>>>>something Kosher according to milk and meat products probably got a
>>>>>flat fee and if the company continued to raise the prices that counsel
>>>>>doesn't really care.  It is not an item by item thing.  With the
>>>>>Kosher diet it matters what foods are eate together (and never mil and
>>>>>meat) and one eats mostly milk meals, because the time period between
>>>>>those types of meals is longer after meat (a much heavier meal in the
>>>>>day.)
>>>>
>>>>>What would it save you--less than $10 a year.
>>>>
>>>>>All countries have their own Rabbinate Cousels, so don't think that it
>>>>>is just Canada with their own.  Maybe it is the Canadian Rabbis who
>>>>>have demanded more money?
>>>>
>>>>>Or, perhaps Philip Wolf, the KOSHER FOOD INSPECTOR in Calgary wanted
>>>>>more than the $35,000 a year he got for duplicating the work of the
>>>>>Canadian authorities?? Apparently, his part-time stamps business
>>>>>couldn't make any money either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:25:20 -0600, Boris Dynin 
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Further to the article below about Heinz/Libby, the smaller article
>>>>>following sheds more light on the KOSHER NOSTRA EXTORTION TAX!!
>>>>
>>>>>The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>>>>>by Ernesto Cienfuegos
>>>>>La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>
>>>>>Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan
>>>>>receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers
>>>>>and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our
>>>>>attention.
>>>>
>>>>>Last week we received an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance
>>>>>of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found
>>>>>printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
>>>>>products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we
>>>>>do some research into the subject. What we found
>>>>>certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
>>>>
>>>>>On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
>>>>>verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
>>>>>most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
>>>>>Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>>>>>similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>>>>>Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper
>>>>>container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic
>>>>>sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.
>>>>
>>>>>We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies
>>>>>to ask some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the
>>>>>Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>>>>>plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as
>>>>>most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages
>>>>>for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
>>>>>products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the
>>>>>(U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
>>>>>until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
>>>>>that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher".
>>>>
>>>>>We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
>>>>>whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and
>>>>>other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
>>>>>Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
>>>>>the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
>>>>>she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
>>>>>but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>>>>>Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
>>>>>products.
>>>>
>>>>>What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
>>>>>that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
>>>>>amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
>>>>>receive protection.
>>>>
>>>>>This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
>>>>>the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer
>>>>>the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>>>>>not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>>>>>other similar markings.
>>>>
>>>>>Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>>>>>sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>>>>>perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually
>>>>>Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
>>>>>western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation
>>>>>in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The
>>>>>(U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan
>>>>>and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue
>>>>>in New York City.
>>>>
>>>>>The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
>>>>>amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>>>>>Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
>>>>>Is