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Received: by nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Smail220.127.116.11 #8) id m0uhvJz-000RDcC; Sun, 21 Jul 96 03:01 PDT Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com by nizkor.almanac.bc.ca ; 21 JUL 96 02:24:53 PDT Received: from tam-fl4-05.ix.netcom.com (tam-fl4-05.ix.netcom.com [18.104.22.168]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA07419 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:58:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:58:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199607210858.BAA07419@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_837950144==_" To: email@example.com (Ken McVay OBC) From: Matt Giwer Subject: Re: query X-Attachments: D:\TX\CUR\TXCUR.ZIP; --=====================_837950144==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:15 AM 7/21/96 PDT, you wrote: >> Are you still interested in my sources? >>--------------------------------------------------------------- >> Live fast, love well, and have a glorious Website. > >> http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/ >> Commentary from the right side of the curve >>Maintaining http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/tech/ (tips and tricks for webs) >> http://www2.combase.com/~mgiwer/mgiwer4/ (eye candy, blantant advertising) >> http://www2.combase.com/~matt/ (my son) >>http://www2.combase.com/~matt/mega/ (for internet advertising) > >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer >Subject: Eight Questions Matt Giwer won't answer (Round 6) >Summary: A collection of some of Matt Giwer's best examples > of the Holocaust denial mindset, with accompanying > questions that he refuses to answer. >X-Giwer: http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer.matt/ >X-Random-Lie: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/random-giwer-lie.pl > >Archive/File: people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q >Last-Modified: 1996/07/17 > >"He who makes a claim bears the responsibility > of supporting it." (Matt Giwer) > >Question 1 [February 1996] >-------------------------- > > Mr. Giwer, during the course of discussions in February, 1996, > in which you performed some truly amazing mental gymnastics in > a futile attempt to confuse everyone, you made the following > statement: > > Perhaps he is in league with the revisionists at Yad Vashem > who reduced the official number from 6 million to a bit over > 3 million. (Giwer, The 4-Million) > > In subsequent follow-up articles on the same general topic, > that is, the number of Jewish victims to the Holocaust, you > were repeatedly asked to support this claim with > documentation. You have not, and will not, do this, since > the statement you made is an outright lie; however, for the > record, Mr. Giwer, when will you produce documentation, > from Yad Vashem, in support of your assertion? > >Question 2 [February 1996] >-------------------------- > > Also, in February of 1996, you claimed that since the United Nations > did not come into existence until 1945 that reference to the United > Nations could not have occured in 1944: > > In August 1944 (fourty FOUR) how could the United Nations have > regarded him as anything when it would not even come into existence > until 15 months later? (Giwer, Re: Jewish Census) > > Are you now prepared to retract that question in light of the fact > that you have been presented evidence that term "United Nations" was > used as early as 1942? > >Question 3 [February 1996] >-------------------------- > > On February 7, 1996 you made the following comment in reference to > the atrocities committed by the Khmer Rouge: > > I was paying attention at the time and not once did I notice any > Jewish group protesting ouside of the Cambodian Embassy and I was > living in the DC area at the time, Fairfax County, Virginia to be > specific. (Giwer, Re: INTERNET FREE SPEECH WEB SITE ! (this > one's not a troll)) > > Could you please specify the location of the Cambodian embassy to the > United States at the time of the Khmer Rouge. After you discover that > you are unable to do this, will you instead explain why you lied? > >Question 4 [February 1996] >-------------------------- > > On February 22, 1996 you made some rather interesting comments on the > production of "HCN" from burning atmospheric nitrogen: > > It appears you are unaware the CN is a by product of incomplete > combustion. You see, you take a carbon based fuel and air which > contains more nitrogen than oxygen and also supports combustion but > at a higher temperature and you get a fractional production of CN > as well as CO and a mess of other things. With enough oxygen and > good design you will get all CO2 as the result. And of course if > you have ever paying any attention to the causes of smog you know one > of them nitrogen compounds emitted as gases. Do you think there is > some way to prevent carbon from being included among those compounds? > Of course there is a resident chemist here to confirm or deny this so > lets wait for his commentary. > > ... > > Yes, Virginia, there is nitrogen in the atomsphere and yes , Virginia, > it does burn. (Giwer, Re: Open Gallon of Paint - paint one door - > throw the rest away) > > Since you are a qualified chemist, perhaps you can explain how > burning nitrogen results in reducing it rather than oxidizing it. > Yes, we know that in fuel lean conditions that N2 is oxidized to NO and > NO2 and that these species are an important component of photochemical > smog. Yes, we agree that it is possible under fuel rich conditions that > coal containing nitrogen could produce some uncombusted cyanides. > The part that's really difficult to understand is how atmospheric N2 > enters into the production of cyanides. Please be so kind as to > explain. > >Question 5 >---------- > > You have asserted that eyewitnesses to gassings have noted that > the victims took "tens of minutes" to die, and you claim that > this assertion contradicts your other assertion that Zyklon B > would have killed them more quickly. > > Here is the relevant excerpt from what you wrote: > > For a moment there I thought had a way to salvage those stories > that talk about the screaming going on for tens of minutes. > > After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had > passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas > chamber was opened. > > Note the ten to fifteen minutes. (Giwer, Re: the mechanism of > hydrogen cyanide inhalation poisoning) > > Mr. Giwer, does the "ten to fifteen minutes" in the text you > quoted (See URL > http://www.almanac.bc.ca/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-06.html) > refer to the time that the screaming went on -- i.e. before > the silence -- or does it refer to something else? > > If it refers to something else, do you still stand by your > statement that: > > ...I am the only one who has read what people keep saying I > should read. (Ibid.) > >Question Six [June 1996] >------------------------ > > You have written, of late, the following comments regarding > the number of Holocaust victims: > > 6,000,000 are a tragedy, the other 6,000,000 a footnote. > > and ... > > To the Holocaust museum folks the other 6 million are > the footnote. > > Daniel Mittleman responded to these comments with the > following: > > "Below ... is the Mission Statement of the Holocaust Museum. > (http://www.ushmm.org/misc-bin/add_goback/mission.html) > Please note in particular the second paragraph. The reader can > determine for himself whether or not Mr. Giwer's charge that > 'the other six million are a footnote' is accurate: > > "Mission Statement > > The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is America's > national institution for the documentation, study, and > interpretation of Holocaust history, and serves as this > country's memorial to the millions of people murdered during > the Holocaust. > > The Holocaust was the state-sponsored, systematic persecution > and annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its > collaborators between 1933 and 1945. Jews were the primary > victims --- six million were murdered; Gypsies, the handicapped, > and Poles were also targeted for destruction or decimation for > racial, ethnic, or national reasons. Millions more, including > homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Soviet prisoners of war, and > political dissidents also suffered grievous oppression and > death under Nazi tyranny." (Mittleman, Both Sides) > > Mr. Giwer, please explain why you lied about the United States > Holocaust Memorial Museum's purpose and viewpoint. > >Question Seven >-------------- > > On June 15, 1996, you stated that: > > "In the process of burning the two bones most likely > to be left are the pelvis and the skull. (Giwer, Dem bones, > dem bones, dem dry bones) > > In response to subsequent questioning about the truth of this > statement, you have made some claims about the human skeleton > which, if true, would set the science of human skeletal biology > on its ear, bones and all. > > In reply to a poster who asked you how many bones there are in > the human skull and pelvis, you wrote: > > "The skull, two in an adult, counting the jaw, discounting > the six small bones in the ear. The pelvis, one. (Giwer; > Re: Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones; June 16, 1996) > > When questioned about the accuracy of your answer by a poster > who pointed out that the skull consists of several bones, > you replied: > > "You are talking about the skull of a child before the > skull is fused. (Giwer; Re: Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry > bones; June 18, 1996) > > In response to this, another poster repeatedly asked you what > degree of closure (or fusion, if you prefer) there is in the > lambdoidal, sagittal and coronal sutures of the human cranium, > on average, by age 35. She pointed out that these are the major > sutures of the cranial vault (skull), and cited human skeletal > anatomy texts in which the answer could be found. > > Your final statement related to this matter was reiteration of > your original claim: > > "The fact remains that the pelvis and the skull are the bones > most likely to survive any form of cremation and the skull is > never mentioned by those so-called eyewitnesses. (Giwer; Re: > Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones; June 22, 1996) > > As a qualified scientist perhaps you would answer the question > about when and how completely the different bones of the skull > fuse together. We know that in normal burial, the adult skull > remains intact. But we also know that the skull consists of a > number of bones, and that fusion of these different bones into > a single mass remains incomplete well into adulthood. Please > address the question related to closure and then explain why you > think that after cremation, intact skulls should have been > recovered and easily identified among the ashes removed from > crematoria. > >Question Eight >-------------- > > On July 10, 1996, you included the following assertion in > an article which you published in alt.revisionism: > > "McVay is a self aggrandizing fool who permits hired > underlings to speak for him while he refuses to speak > for himself." (Giwer, Re: Who would be Gannon?) > > Please identify these "hired underlings" or admit that you > lied, apologize, and retract the statement. > >For Work Cited, see >http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/giwer.matt/giwer-10q-citations > > > --=====================_837950144==_ Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="TXCUR.ZIP"; x-mac-type="42494E41"; x-mac-creator="6D646F73" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TXCUR.ZIP"
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