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Matt Giwer has taken to complaining that "holohuggers" (people he doesn't
agree with) are "complaining to root."  However, the evidence he has
collected doesn't, er, contain any email sent to his root.  This is
another case where one has to wonder if this is a troll, or just

By the way, Mr. Giwer has complained to _my_ ISP's root about my
(accidentally) sending him two copies of an email.  Doesn't bother me
particularly, but it seems apropos:

Anyway, below are the articles where Mr. Giwer reproduces the emails
which he _says_ were sent to, but which, er, weren't...

- Jamie McCarthy (, June 21st, 1996

Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: a surprise
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:34:48 GMT
Organization: images incarnate
Lines: 135
Message-ID: <4qdqfe$>
X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jun 21  2:36:46 AM PDT 1996
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        Amazing here.  

        After having their "declaration of submission" thrown back in their face
the holohuggers have decided to resort to complaints to ROOT.  I have
gotten my third in the last six hours, of course with a CC to me as a

        The only thing they have not made pubic yet is the strategy session they
indulged in.  

        For example here is the first and only email from OBC himself which
arrived as I was creating this message,


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From: (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Re: Mr. Schoedel's problem, Nizkor's solutions
References: <>
In-Reply-To: <>

>On 20 Jun 1996 19:30:33 -0700, (Ken McVay
>OBC) wrote:

>>In article <4qcfrp$>, 
>>"reverend" Ronald Schoedel  wrote:

>>> Whew boy, is it getting weird in here...expensive 486's, 
>>> lack of FTP skills, whoa, is it any wonder the Zinkor website 
>>> is totally unaccesible to me and surely others

>>We have taken note of the "reverend" Schoedel's inability to
>>access our site, and his lack of patience, and given thanks that 
>>the _other_ 800 or so who do manage to obtain the 3000 pages they 
>>request daily are able to do so.

>       Given the fact that you appear to have passed the hat for a used 486DX25
>when it was damned near impossible to buy such a machine when the chip
>was out of production, your scam artist nature is obvious.  

>       And then we get to the claim that you wasted $1000 on UnixWorks rather
>than LInux.  

>>We have become deeply concerned over the inability of some
>>users to access the "reverend" Schoedel's very own Nizkor
>>pages, and have taken steps to solve the problem.

>       Clear bullshit.  You have not the least idea what you are talking about.

>>In the meantime, those with tireless patience, and a desire to
>>see the "reverend" Schoedel in full cry, are urged to explore

>>We will announce appropriate solutions to the "reverend"
>>Schoedel's problem within a short time. Until then, we urge
>>the "reverend" to enjoy himself and have a nice day.

>>As to Mr. Schoedel's lack of ftp skills, we can only wonder.
>>With two ftp sites available, perhaps tutoring from his local
>>ISP might be in order, so that he might find one of them;
>>  and
>>   work as they
>>should, for those who understand how to configure and utilize
>>their software.

>>(The last time we checked, Europe was still on the net, altho
>>we concede the "reverend's" unlikely to be able to find it.)

>       Rather someone deceived the contributors about the costs involved and
>promised a web presense that was in no was delivered and someone took
>the difference in their pocket.

>       It is also interesting that Nizkor had some sucker synagogue offer tax
>reciepts BEFORE Nizkor had tax exempt status.  In the US that is called

Your mail has been returned to you, unread.

This is either because: 

        1. You have filtered your mail through an anonymous 
           remailer, or 

        2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
           and your email is automatically redirected to your
           mailbox by our gatekeeper. 

        3. Someone using your server has been persistently
           abusive, and your system administrators are
           unwilling to do anything about it.

        4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
           slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
           check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
           correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
           been rejected without reason.

Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
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        As you can see, these folks, these amateurs, these children, are trying
to create an incident they can exploit as net abuse.

        These holohuggers are trying to create an issue to get poor little minus
163 IQ me.  And of course they fail as usual.  

        But what the hell, they are holohuggers.  No one expects honesty from
them.  Nor when they put their collective heads together does anything
but the lowest common denominator appear.

Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: a typical example of a holohugger tactic
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 08:58:59 GMT
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        You will note that this lying bastard son of a something or other
insists upon creating an issue where there is no issue.

        And you will note that it contradicts the previous clain that complaints
to root would be unethical.

        Yes, holohuggers are unethical.  And, they lie.  But of course to
support the holocaust they have to be liars.  

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 04:23:02 -0400
From: (Jamie McCarthy)
Subject: Re: A discrepency among exterminationists...
<4qc18t$> <>
Organization: Absence Software

(A copy of this message has also been posted to the following
newsgroups:, alt.bonehead.matt-giwer,alt.revisionism)

Cross-posted to;  emailed "FYI" to various
people whom Giwer calls "hijackers" and several pro-free-speech
acquaintances of mine, as well as Mr. Giwer himself of course.

Matt Giwer states proudly and publicly that his goal is to take
alt.revisionism and "make it useless" to everyone with whom he
He has so far tried to accomplish this chiefly through sheer posting
volume.  Quite an upstanding net.citizen is Mr. Giwer!

In article <4qcq70$>,
wrote (quoted in its entirety):

: (tom moran) wrote:
: > (DvdThomas) wrote:
: >>Heck, since Dan Keren is using retreads, I may as well do the same:
: >Dvd, I don't think there is any need to justify using material that
: >has been posted before. After all, the material is not posted out
: >just to convince the usual. It should be posted for the reasons of
: >informing any new comers to alt.rev.
:         I think it is an outstanding policy to return floods of
reposts with
: floods of reposts.  
:         After all the holohuggers think they own this conference.  It
is about
: time they learned better.  After all if a low IQ person such as I can
: what two of them now have said I have done, if everyone starts doing
: this we may be able to firmly re-establish this as a conference on
: revisionism.  
:         That is, make it useless to the hijackers.  

Nizkor will continue to maintain an archive on this net abuser's tactics
and goals at:
 Jamie McCarthy     Co-Webmaster of
 Unless you specify otherwise, I assume pro-"revisionism" email
 to be in the public domain.            I speak only for myself.

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