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October 17, 1997

Holocaust denier's wife says Ernst Zundel exercised "complete
control" over California "Zundelsite"

TORONTO. Mrs. Irene Zundel, estranged wife of Canada's Ernst
Zundel, testified this afternoon before the Canadian Human
Rights Tribunal. The Tribunal learned that Mrs. Zundel took
an active role in assisting her husband, often
helping him with the preparation of  his "Power Letters"
through research and word processing, and helping him monitor content on
his California web site.

Zundel, who has been charged under a section of the Canadian
Human Rights Act which prohibits use of telephone lines to
expose an identifiable group to hatred, has denied ownership
or control of the site, attributing it instead to
California's Ingrid Rimland.

Rimland, according to Mrs. Zundel, has all of her expenses
covered with respect to the web site, including "Four to
five hundred dollars (US) a month" for the website itself,
and receives a monthly cheque, signed by Ernst Zundel, in
the amount of three thousand (US) dollars.

Rimland, in her sworn affidavit filed with the Federal Court of Canada
last December, had offered sworn testimony that she was
"...the creator, designer, editor and primary electronic
columnist of the Zundelsite. All documents which appear on
the Zundelsite are prepared ... by me...", and said that she
"did not recall consulting Mr. Zundel" with respect to the
name of the site.

Rimland also stated, under oath, that she had "...sole
control over the password to the Zundelsite," adding that
"Through this password I access the site to make changes,
additions, deletion or graphic alterations to the Zundelsite
which I do on a regular basis."

[See for the full text of Rimland's
sworn affidavit.]

According to Mrs. Zundel, however, Toronto's Marc Lemire,
also apparently paid by Mr. Zundel, often posted audio and
video files to the site from Toronto. She also asserted that
Mr. Lemire was responsible for emailing "Zgrams"  and
posting them to the California site when Ms. Rimland was

The content of the "Zgrams," according to Mrs. Zundel, was
controlled by Ernst Zundel himself; she described
disagreements between Ms. Rimland and her husband, saying
that Zundel was "not happy" with many of Rimland's political
views and personal comments. She described an instance which
made it clear that Ms. Rimland did not like the "approval
process," in which numerous faxes would be sent between
Ontario and California, and sometimes complained bitterly.

When questioned about the others with access to the site,
she stated that Greg Raven, of the California-based
"Institute for Historical Review," a well known source of
material denying the Holocaust, had been responsible for
making Zundel's site more manageable and "easier to mirror."
She also said that Zundel sometimes received invoices from
mirror site operators, which he would reimburse them for.

Mrs. Zundel's testimony ended with a description of Ernst
Zundel's decision to grant Ingrid Rimland copyright control
over web documents, in the belief that doing so would
protect him from criminal liability in Canada.

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