From hill@crl.com Mon Oct  2 13:33:09 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Evelyn Hill Is A Fucking Nazi!
Date: 2 Oct 1995 00:02:42 -0700
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Fred Taub (ftaub@ncoast.org) wrote:
: the Commander In Chief believes in equality, and is against racist and 
: Nazis such as yourself.

I just saw my first "Clinton in 96" bumper sticker today.  Amazing.

Over 50% of the people he has appointed have been Jewish.  This seems a 
*tad* disproportionate to me.  (It also seems like a pretty good showing 
for a 'poor, powerless, oppressed minority group'). 

: Maybe it's because you KNEW all along that the term National Socialist 
: is where the name Nazi comes from

Yeah.  It's hardly esoteric knowledge.  Language isn't always logical.  
While "Nazi" and "NS" are both abbreviations for "National Socialist", 
"Nazi" is generally considered to be derogatory, while "NS" isn't.  
(It's sort of like, "a person of color" being an acceptable phrase, 
while "a colored person" is an unacceptable phrase.)   :-)

: By the way, do the rest of the Nazi's in your group know that you are
: really a Jew?

Nice try. (a wee bit on the overkill side, and rather pathetic, however)




From hill@crl.com Mon Oct  2 13:33:10 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Evelyn Hill Is A Fucking Nazi!
Date: 2 Oct 1995 09:26:46 -0700
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John Q. Public (capmicro@execpc.com) wrote:
: The Commander in Chief believes in whatever will get him babes and power,
: and employs demagoguery as a major management tool.

You are absolutely correct.  He is nothing but an opportunist and a 
political panderer.  It *is* instructive to note who it pays to pander 
to, however.  And Jews are towards the top of the list.



From hill@crl.com Mon Oct  2 13:33:11 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: EEK!  Nazis in my mailbox!
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Ken Whitehead (kdw@cle.ab.com) wrote:
: I got some really weird racist stuff in my email this morning ...

I am a member of the National Alliance, and of the Santa Clara 
Unit that set up the web site.  I am also a part-time staff 
member of the National Office.  We did *not* e-mail the article.  
The article had our name on it because it was *downloaded* 
>from  our web site.

We do not know who e-mailed out this article, or whether he or 
she is a member of the National Alliance.  While we encourage 
our members to use the net, we encourage them to use it in a 
manner consist with Netiquette and with the rules of their 
service providers.

Our next Membership Bulletin should have an article emphasising 
that members (and supporters) should use the net in a courteous 
manner.

If you didn't get the article and want to see what this is all 
about, it is at our web site.  The article is called, "The Long 
March" and is in the "Free Speech" section of the site.
	http://www.natvan.com



From hill@crl.com Mon Oct  2 13:33:12 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Evelyn Hill Is A Fucking Nazi!
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William Katcher (katcher@cloud9.net) wrote:
: Hey Nazi-Girl, are you aware that you are one of those "unaware
: and ignorant" that your Nazi-Daddy Klein admitted he is
: targeting?

That was perhaps unfortunate wording, but he obviously didn't mean 
it in the manner in which you (all) are interpreting it.  

Unaware and ignorant don't necessarily mean stupid or foolish.  They 
can refer to someone who is intelligent and thinks independently, but 
who has only been exposed to limited information. 

: How long before you cancel your post out of some deeply
: hidden shame like you canceled your other ones?

I have *NEVER* cancelled one of my posts.  (Or anyone else's).

: It's quite funny to learn that Nazis now hate to be called
: Nazis.

Well, don't get too excited.  The word "Nazi" is thrown around rather 
loosely (especially on this newsgroup).  Most National Socialists are
thoroughly used to it, even others are beginning to ignore it.



From hill@crl.com Tue Oct  3 01:48:54 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: You guys are way behind the times...
Date: 2 Oct 1995 22:56:44 -0700
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John Q. Public (capmicro@execpc.com) wrote:
: Check your Prozac levels.  We all checked out the loveliness at
: your website.

Oh, so you want our web site shut down because you don't like what is on 
it, not because you think we were responsible for the spamming?  Well, we 
have been shut down, although we weren't responsible for the spamming.  
So your views HAVE prevailed (at least for the time being).

I am a member of the National Alliance, and of the Santa Clara 
Unit that set up the web site.  I am also a part-time staff 
member of the National Office.  We did *not* e-mail the article.  
The article had our name on it because it was *downloaded* 
>from  our web site.

We do not know who e-mailed out this article, or whether he or 
she is a member of the National Alliance.  While we encourage 
our members to use the net, we encourage them to use it in a 
manner consist with Netiquette and with the rules of their 
service providers.

Our next Membership Bulletin should have an article emphasising 
that members (and supporters) should use the net in a courteous 
manner.

If you didn't get the article and want to see what this is all 
about, it is at our web site.  The article is called, "The Long 
March" and is in the "Free Speech" section of the site.
	http://www.natvan.com



From hill@crl.com Tue Oct  3 01:48:56 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: EEK!  Nazis in my mailbox!
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William Katcher (katcher@cloud9.net) wrote:
: - The email had your group's name on it.
: - The email contained a document taken from your web site.

Admitted. But *we* didn't do the spamming.  

: - You have taken this opportunity to advertise the said document.

So?

: - You admit that the emailer may have been a member of your
:   group of lunatics.

I now no longer think this is the case.  The campaign to have our 
provider cancel our site was too well organized, and happened too
rapidly.  It doesn't appear to have developed spontanously.  It 
seems more likely that a member of the oppo did the spamming,  
and then put this campaign into effect. 

: - The email spamming occurred at precisely the same time that
:   your newsgroup spamming started.

Nope. I posted the one and only article I ever posted to this newsgroup, 
"Real 'Nazi' Gun Control"  several weeks ago.  Everything else I have 
posted has been in response to the postings of others.  This is all 
verifable by anyone wishing to check.

: In light of the above, why should anybody believe you?

Well, I'm telling the truth, and anyone checking the facts can verify 
this.  Your objective is slander.



From hill@crl.com Tue Oct  3 02:48:49 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
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Tim Howard (thoward@northcoast.com) wrote:
: : I got a very strange mail today. Strange for three reasons. Firstly it
: : came from out of the blue.

I am a member of the National Alliance, and of the Santa Clara 
Unit that set up the web site.  I am also a part-time staff 
member of the National Office.  We did *not* e-mail the article.  
The article had our name on it because it was *downloaded* 
>from  our web site.

We do not know who e-mailed out this article, or whether he or 
she is a member of the National Alliance.  While we encourage 
our members to use the net, we encourage them to use it in a 
manner consist with Netiquette and with the rules of their 
service providers.

Our next Membership Bulletin should have an article emphasising 
that members (and supporters) should use the net in a courteous 
manner.

If you didn't get the article and want to see what this is all 
about, it is at our web site.  The article is called, "The Long 
March" and is in the "Free Speech" section of the site.
	http://www.natvan.com


From hill@crl.com Tue Oct  3 13:55:44 PDT 1995
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Lars Marowsky-Bree (lmb@pointer.in-minden.de) wrote:
: Still. It was a very good marketing gag, wasn't it? Got you a lot of
: attention.

Actually, no.  It got our site cancelled by our provider, so it wasn't 
good at all.  Our approch has always been to provide information to those 
who *might* be supportive, but not others.  "Spamming" obviously doesn't 
do this.  I now think it most probable that the spamming was done by a 
member of the opposition.  The campaign to get our service probider to 
cancel our web site was too well organized, and too rapid, to have been 
spontanous.


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!Rack Jite (jite@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: So I tend to believe you and suspect an agent provocatuer.

At first I thought that the spamming might have been done by (a less than 
sensible) supporter.  But as our web site was recently canceled by our 
provider, I no long think that this is the case.  

I think that the spamming was more likely done by a member of the oppo.  
The campaign to have our web site cancelled was too well organized, and 
too rapid, to have been spontaneous.  I think someone spammed articles 
>from  our site and then began lobbying to have the site cancelled.







:    




From hill@crl.com Tue Oct  3 17:27:16 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: You guys are way behind the times...
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William R. Discipio Jr (discipio@crl.com) wrote:
: Only people like-minded to you would want your site shut down.  The rest 
: of us non-Nazis would like you to make public your entire belief 
: structure so that you can be rebuked by all.

Apparently not!!!



From hill@crl.com Fri Oct  6 13:01:41 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: EEK!  Nazis in my mailbox!
Date: 5 Oct 1995 14:35:06 -0700
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William Katcher (katcher@panix.com) wrote:
: Here is the mail header that I received in two of my accounts.
: It's up to you: is it forged or not?

Of course, it's forged. But I didn't forge it.  Nor did whoever forged it 
have the National Alliance's permission to do so. 

This does not constitude proof that I have ever forged e-mail.


From hill@crl.com Fri Oct  6 13:01:42 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Evelyn Hill Is A Fucking Nazi!
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Steve Kao (k@hprnd.rose.hp.com) wrote:
: Are you talking about the British internment of Boer citizens during the
: Boer War in concentration camps?

Britain's actions against the Boers were tragic and reprehensible. It 
is a good example of the destructiveness of White fratricidial wars.


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Ronald Schoedel (ChrIdent@cris.com) wrote:
: http://www.cris.com/~Chrident.  
: CHRISTIAN IDENTITY ONLINE...NOW FEATURING NATIONAL ALLIANCE!!!!!

Note for the confused:  National Alliance is not a Christian Identity 
group, but we sincerely appreciate Ron's help with getting our 
information on line again.




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Chris Morton (cmort@hathcok.nshore.org) wrote:
: What if instead of "joining" the National Alliance, they just adopt, even if 
: unconsciously, some of their assumption?

Oh, no!  White people who might, for a fleeting second, think that White 
communities are more pleasant than "racially diverse" communities!!!

AND NOT EVEN NAZIS !!!!	

It just can't be permitted! Call the thought police!


From hill@crl.com Sun Oct 15 17:45:36 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
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Chris Morton wrote:
: Jewish Nazi leader in Chicago, Frank Colin, sure was good at servicing 
: mental  patients in his care....

Chris, I really hate to disappoint you, but until I started reading your 
posts;  I had never heard of Frank Colin.

It couldn't be that he was a media favorite, with no standing among serious 
White Nationalists, could it be?


From hill@crl.com Sun Oct 15 17:45:37 PDT 1995
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Fred Taub (ftaub@ncoast.org) wrote:
: you are just too ashamed of the members of your own organization,
: and too ashamed to admit truth, as most Nazis are, or you are
: just plain lying, like Nazi's do.

I have heard (vaguely) of the Stokie March.  And it WAS a media event.  
And it IS considered to be of significance to anti-Racists much more 
than it is to White Nationalists.

The media, then and now, goes to great lengths to give coverage only 
to the most disreputable (or at least the odd, and not too bright) 
people in the movement.  On the rare occasions when the higher 
quality people are interviewed, their remarks are heavily edited. 

"My organization" is the National Alliance and Frank Colin WASN'T a member.  

But you've reminded me that I haven't given out our address for a while.  
It is:
	National Vanguard Books
	P.O. Box 330
	Hillsboro, WV  24946

Send $2.00 for a catalog.


From hill@crl.com Mon Oct 16 07:03:51 PDT 1995
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Chris Morton wrote:
: Jewish Nazi leader in Chicago, Frank Colin, sure was good at servicing 
: mental  patients in his care....

Chris, I really hate to disappoint you, but until I started reading your 
posts;  I had never heard of Frank Colin.

It couldn't be that he was a media favorite, with no standing among serious 
White Nationalists, could it be?


From hill@crl.com Mon Oct 16 07:03:54 PDT 1995
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Fred Taub (ftaub@ncoast.org) wrote:
: you are just too ashamed of the members of your own organization,
: and too ashamed to admit truth, as most Nazis are, or you are
: just plain lying, like Nazi's do.

I have heard (vaguely) of the Stokie March.  And it WAS a media event.  
And it IS considered to be of significance to anti-Racists much more 
than it is to White Nationalists.

The media, then and now, goes to great lengths to give coverage only 
to the most disreputable (or at least the odd, and not too bright) 
people in the movement.  On the rare occasions when the higher 
quality people are interviewed, their remarks are heavily edited. 

"My organization" is the National Alliance and Frank Colin WASN'T a member.  

But you've reminded me that I haven't given out our address for a while.  
It is:
	National Vanguard Books
	P.O. Box 330
	Hillsboro, WV  24946

Send $2.00 for a catalog.


From hill@crl.com Mon Oct 16 07:03:55 PDT 1995
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Elias Halldor Agustsson (eha@itn.is) wrote:
: No, Bill ...

What do you have to be so proud of?  There's no such thing as Icelandic 
culture.  You're just a bunch of immigrants.  And your culture is just a
mix of traditions from all over the world.  What is really Icelandic and
only Icelandic, anyway.  And what did your ancestors do to the the people 
who where there before?  You're just another group of genocidal, inbred, 
imperialist white morons who took over terrority that didn't belong to
you!
	(Note:  All of the above is tongue in check.)

More seriously, (but not really more relevantly), When Snorri was writing 
his *introduction* to his retelling of the old myths, one of his aims was
to tie everything together nicely.  Another aim was to please the Church. 
Neither is exactly favorable to accuracy.


From hill@crl.com Mon Oct 16 11:04:06 PDT 1995
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:
:(Scott Erb) writes:

: 
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slhly@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: Actually, Obersturmbahnfuhrer Hill, he's completely wrong.  When one 
: considers that most Hispanics are descended from *Spanish* Europeans
: and that a large percentage of American blacks have some European
: ancestry, the percentage of Americans with some European blood in
: them is actually increasing.

: Or are you equating "European descent" with "blond-haired, blue-eyed,
: Teutonic warrior"?

No.  (Not that I have anything against blond-haired, blue-eyed, Teutonic 
warriors.)  

But "some European blood" doesn't hack it.  Many American Blacks have 
a considerable amount of European blood.  Many Hispanics have a lot of 
Indian (Native American) blood.  

: You know, Jews are considered to be "white" in terms of race.  Perhaps
: you should encourage the Lubavitchers to have more children for the 
: "good of the race".

I think the Lubavitchers do okay without my help.  It's those successful, 
really wonderful Jews of the type that Clinton appoints, who don't have a 
lot of children.



From hill@crl.com Mon Oct 16 11:07:33 PDT 1995
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:
:(Scott Erb) writes:

: 
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slhly@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: Actually, Obersturmbahnfuhrer Hill, he's completely wrong.  When one 
: considers that most Hispanics are descended from *Spanish* Europeans
: and that a large percentage of American blacks have some European
: ancestry, the percentage of Americans with some European blood in
: them is actually increasing.

: Or are you equating "European descent" with "blond-haired, blue-eyed,
: Teutonic warrior"?

No.  (Not that I have anything against blond-haired, blue-eyed, Teutonic 
warriors.)  

But "some European blood" doesn't hack it.  Many American Blacks have 
a considerable amount of European blood.  Many Hispanics have a lot of 
Indian (Native American) blood.  

: You know, Jews are considered to be "white" in terms of race.  Perhaps
: you should encourage the Lubavitchers to have more children for the 
: "good of the race".

I think the Lubavitchers do okay without my help.  It's those successful, 
really wonderful Jews of the type that Clinton appoints, who don't have a 
lot of children.



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slhly@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: Actually, Obersturmbahnfuhrer Hill, he's completely wrong.  When one 
: considers that most Hispanics are descended from *Spanish* Europeans
: and that a large percentage of American blacks have some European
: ancestry, the percentage of Americans with some European blood in
: them is actually increasing.

: Or are you equating "European descent" with "blond-haired, blue-eyed,
: Teutonic warrior"?

No.  (Not that I have anything against blond-haired, blue-eyed, Teutonic 
warriors.)  

But "some European blood" doesn't hack it.  Many American Blacks have 
a considerable amount of European blood.  Many Hispanics have a lot of 
Indian (Native American) blood.  

: You know, Jews are considered to be "white" in terms of race.  Perhaps
: you should encourage the Lubavitchers to have more children for the 
: "good of the race".

I think the Lubavitchers do okay without my help.  It's those successful, 
really wonderful Jews of the type that Clinton appoints, who don't have a 
lot of children.



From hill@crl.com Mon Oct 16 11:42:05 PDT 1995
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David T. Hardy (dhardy@indirect.com) wrote:
: Does anyone know how to start a new talk group? I was thinking
: alt.sex.hitler might be a really fun title....

Barnes and Morton would sure go for it.  (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)


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slhly@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: Actually, Obersturmbahnfuhrer Hill, he's completely wrong.  When one 
: considers that most Hispanics are descended from *Spanish* Europeans
: and that a large percentage of American blacks have some European
: ancestry, the percentage of Americans with some European blood in
: them is actually increasing.

: Or are you equating "European descent" with "blond-haired, blue-eyed,
: Teutonic warrior"?

No.  (Not that I have anything against blond-haired, blue-eyed, Teutonic 
warriors.)  

But "some European blood" doesn't hack it.  Many American Blacks have 
a considerable amount of European blood.  Many Hispanics have a lot of 
Indian (Native American) blood.  

: You know, Jews are considered to be "white" in terms of race.  Perhaps
: you should encourage the Lubavitchers to have more children for the 
: "good of the race".

I think the Lubavitchers do okay without my help.  It's those successful, 
really wonderful Jews of the type that Clinton appoints, who don't have a 
lot of children.



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slhly@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: Actually, Obersturmbahnfuhrer Hill, he's completely wrong.  When one 
: considers that most Hispanics are descended from *Spanish* Europeans
: and that a large percentage of American blacks have some European
: ancestry, the percentage of Americans with some European blood in
: them is actually increasing.

: Or are you equating "European descent" with "blond-haired, blue-eyed,
: Teutonic warrior"?

No.  (Not that I have anything against blond-haired, blue-eyed, Teutonic 
warriors.)  

But "some European blood" doesn't hack it.  Many American Blacks have 
a considerable amount of European blood.  Many Hispanics have a lot of 
Indian (Native American) blood.  

: You know, Jews are considered to be "white" in terms of race.  Perhaps
: you should encourage the Lubavitchers to have more children for the 
: "good of the race".

I think the Lubavitchers do okay without my help.  It's those successful, 
really wonderful Jews of the type that Clinton appoints, who don't have a 
lot of children.



From hill@crl.com Tue Oct 17 08:33:22 PDT 1995
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:

: define "European descent", please;

Descent: derived from specified ancestors
Europe: a continent in the western part of Eurasia

Note: those descended from the indigenous peoples of South and Central 
American are therefore not of "European descent".

: 	those much-dreaded "Hispanics", to use a term
: 	invented from whole cloth by the Feds in the 1970's are
: 	just as European as people of Italian descent, or people
: 	of French or Greek descent.

Oh! well then - if the *Feds* say that Mexicans are just as European as 
White Americans, I guess I must be wrong.    ;-)



From hill@crl.com Tue Oct 17 08:33:23 PDT 1995
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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:
: 	In fact, more than a few "White" Americans are really
: 	a mixture of AmerIndian, African *and* European genes,
: 	and what's worse is their children are marrying Asians...

What an ideal world!  Everyone the same shade of brown and all wearing 
Jordache jeans while eating Big Macs and watching MTV!



From hill@crl.com Tue Oct 17 08:37:39 PDT 1995
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slhly@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: If many blacks have a considerable amount of european blood, then they 
: are of "european descent", despite the melanin content : of their skin.

: Kevin M. Okleberry, Toxicology Program, Utah State University  
: -----------------------------------------------------------------------

You're there because you're a victim of phencyclidine poisoning, right?


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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:

: define "European descent", please;

Descent: derived from specified ancestors
Europe: a continent in the western part of Eurasia

Note: those descended from the indigenous peoples of South and Central 
American are therefore not of "European descent".

: 	those much-dreaded "Hispanics", to use a term
: 	invented from whole cloth by the Feds in the 1970's are
: 	just as European as people of Italian descent, or people
: 	of French or Greek descent.

Oh! well then - if the *Feds* say that Mexicans are just as European as 
White Americans, I guess I must be wrong.    ;-)



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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:
: 	In fact, more than a few "White" Americans are really
: 	a mixture of AmerIndian, African *and* European genes,
: 	and what's worse is their children are marrying Asians...

What an ideal world!  Everyone the same shade of brown and all wearing 
Jordache jeans while eating Big Macs and watching MTV!



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slhly@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: If many blacks have a considerable amount of european blood, then they 
: are of "european descent", despite the melanin content : of their skin.

: Kevin M. Okleberry, Toxicology Program, Utah State University  
: -----------------------------------------------------------------------

You're there because you're a victim of phencyclidine poisoning, right?


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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:

: define "European descent", please;

Descent: derived from specified ancestors
Europe: a continent in the western part of Eurasia

Note: those descended from the indigenous peoples of South and Central 
American are therefore not of "European descent".

: 	those much-dreaded "Hispanics", to use a term
: 	invented from whole cloth by the Feds in the 1970's are
: 	just as European as people of Italian descent, or people
: 	of French or Greek descent.

Oh! well then - if the *Feds* say that Mexicans are just as European as 
White Americans, I guess I must be wrong.    ;-)



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Nosy (ataylor@nmsu.edu) wrote:
: 	In fact, more than a few "White" Americans are really
: 	a mixture of AmerIndian, African *and* European genes,
: 	and what's worse is their children are marrying Asians...

What an ideal world!  Everyone the same shade of brown and all wearing 
Jordache jeans while eating Big Macs and watching MTV!



From hill@crl.com Fri Oct 20 10:39:41 PDT 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: I care no more for my own "race" than I do for any other, and I 
: don't particularly give a shit if the white "race" becomes extinct.  
: In fact, I don't even recognize the validity of the term outside a 
: narrow scientific concept.  ...
: Whatcha gonna do about it, shithead?

Ask you to live for a year in non-White neighborhood, and see if you 
notice any differences between it and a White neighborhood?

Would you say, "I care no more about my country than I do about any other 
country"?  Well, quite possibly you would.  How about, "I care no more 
about my children than I do any other children"?



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william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: I care no more for my own "race" than I do for any other, and I 
: don't particularly give a shit if the white "race" becomes extinct.  
: In fact, I don't even recognize the validity of the term outside a 
: narrow scientific concept.  ...
: Whatcha gonna do about it, shithead?

Ask you to live for a year in non-White neighborhood, and see if you 
notice any differences between it and a White neighborhood?

Would you say, "I care no more about my country than I do about any other 
country"?  Well, quite possibly you would.  How about, "I care no more 
about my children than I do any other children"?



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william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: I care no more for my own "race" than I do for any other, and I 
: don't particularly give a shit if the white "race" becomes extinct.  
: In fact, I don't even recognize the validity of the term outside a 
: narrow scientific concept.  ...
: Whatcha gonna do about it, shithead?

Ask you to live for a year in non-White neighborhood, and see if you 
notice any differences between it and a White neighborhood?

Would you say, "I care no more about my country than I do about any other 
country"?  Well, quite possibly you would.  How about, "I care no more 
about my children than I do any other children"?



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solan (solan@panix.com) wrote:
: And why do so many Chinese want to leave - even to the point in indenturing 
: themselves as slaves to be packed into rusty old ships and smuggled to 
: the U.S.?

The snakeheads aren't exactly an ethical lot when dealing with their 
customers.  Their clients don't know that they will end up as virtual 
slaves.  

Most Chinese want to come to the US because they believe they can make 
money here.  They are not unhappy with Chinese culture and don't want
to "diversify" it.  Many have the dream of making a lot of many and 
then returning to China, or at least an area with a large Chinese 
population where Chinese culture reigns. 


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Rick (sbpadl@west.net) wrote:
: In 1965, when Congress passed sweeping immigration reform 
: legislation, Senator Kennedy stood on the floor of the Senate and 
: stated that this wonderful new legislation would NOT change the 
: cultural makeup of the U.S.  Of course, the opposite has been true.  

And now Kennedy (and many others) say that this transformation is the
best thing that ever happened to the US!  That is, what he formerly
described as being possible only according to "paranoid" racists has 
happened.  (Of course since his opponents are *still* paranoid racists,
they are *still* wrong and reality doesn't count.)

Peter Brimelow quoted Lord Melbourne to illustrate this matter:
	
	What all the wise men promised has not happened, and
	what all the damned fools said would happen has come
	to pass.


"Alien Nation" is another book available from: 
	National Vanguard Books
	P.O. Box 330
	Hillsboro, WV 24946

$24.00 plus $1.50 shipping.  Send $2.00 for a catalog.



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Dan Day (dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com) wrote:
: Tell that to my Chinese friends who are here in the US now because
: they lived through the Cultural Revolution.

Why don't *you* tell them?  I don't think that they will disagree that 
many Chinese are in the US to make make "big money," and I don't think 
they will find anything shameful about it.  

In the area where I work, there are posters promoting a seminar in a 
local hotel.  I can't read it because it is in Chinese, but it features 
an outstretched hand with a big, glowing dollar sign in it.  This sort of 
thing is quite common.  And anybody who knows many Chinese people, and
has honest discussions with them, will realize that making lots of money 
is the most important thing to them.  They care little about America 
except as an economic tool.  They care little about Americans.  They put
themselves first.  I'm not saying that they are therefore "wrong" or 
"evil".  From their point of view this makes sense.

My Chinese acquaintances certainly do not dislike White Americans, (they 
don't care for Blacks or Hispanics), but they do feel White Americans are 
overly generous and rather foolish - foolish to the point of being stupid.  
Several have even asked me why more Americans don't feel the same why I 
do;  they want to know why more White Americans aren't White Nationalists.

Of course many Whites care about nothing but money also.  But a few 
are more idealistic.  A few want a better, brighter future for their 
children - and they realize that this will only be possible in a White 
America.  And it is always the few idealistic and motivated individuals 
who effect the course of history.

	National Vanguard Books
	P.O. Box 330			Send $2.00 for a catalog
	Hillsboro, WV 24948


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solan (solan@panix.com) wrote:
: And why do so many Chinese want to leave - even to the point in indenturing 
: themselves as slaves to be packed into rusty old ships and smuggled to 
: the U.S.?

The snakeheads aren't exactly an ethical lot when dealing with their 
customers.  Their clients don't know that they will end up as virtual 
slaves.  

Most Chinese want to come to the US because they believe they can make 
money here.  They are not unhappy with Chinese culture and don't want
to "diversify" it.  Many have the dream of making a lot of many and 
then returning to China, or at least an area with a large Chinese 
population where Chinese culture reigns. 


From hill@crl.com Fri Oct 20 11:15:35 PDT 1995
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Rick (sbpadl@west.net) wrote:
: In 1965, when Congress passed sweeping immigration reform 
: legislation, Senator Kennedy stood on the floor of the Senate and 
: stated that this wonderful new legislation would NOT change the 
: cultural makeup of the U.S.  Of course, the opposite has been true.  

And now Kennedy (and many others) say that this transformation is the
best thing that ever happened to the US!  That is, what he formerly
described as being possible only according to "paranoid" racists has 
happened.  (Of course since his opponents are *still* paranoid racists,
they are *still* wrong and reality doesn't count.)

Peter Brimelow quoted Lord Melbourne to illustrate this matter:
	
	What all the wise men promised has not happened, and
	what all the damned fools said would happen has come
	to pass.


"Alien Nation" is another book available from: 
	National Vanguard Books
	P.O. Box 330
	Hillsboro, WV 24946

$24.00 plus $1.50 shipping.  Send $2.00 for a catalog.



From hill@crl.com Fri Oct 20 11:15:36 PDT 1995
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Henrik Naessen (t95hna) wrote:
: I like Asian food!

Buy a cookbook and learn how to cook it yourself then.  

Vietnamese cooks are pretty good at making French pastries without 
any French people being present.




From hill@crl.com Fri Oct 20 11:15:37 PDT 1995
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Vincent Li (vli@newshost) wrote:
: Please define "[Canada's] own culture". What exactly is this culture?

There is no such thing as Canadian culture.  There is no such thing as 
American culture either.  Maybe there is European culture in Europe, but 
it is old and stagnant.  Whites are just a bunch of inbred losers.  Only 
non-Whites can have true cultures.  The best way to improve any region of 
any (mostly White) country is to make it as non-White as possible. 

(I'm being sarcastic)

You Canadians who want more "diversity", can come visit us down here whenever
you like!


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Dan Day (dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com) wrote:
: Tell that to my Chinese friends who are here in the US now because
: they lived through the Cultural Revolution.

Why don't *you* tell them?  I don't think that they will disagree that 
many Chinese are in the US to make make "big money," and I don't think 
they will find anything shameful about it.  

In the area where I work, there are posters promoting a seminar in a 
local hotel.  I can't read it because it is in Chinese, but it features 
an outstretched hand with a big, glowing dollar sign in it.  This sort of 
thing is quite common.  And anybody who knows many Chinese people, and
has honest discussions with them, will realize that making lots of money 
is the most important thing to them.  They care little about America 
except as an economic tool.  They care little about Americans.  They put
themselves first.  I'm not saying that they are therefore "wrong" or 
"evil".  From their point of view this makes sense.

My Chinese acquaintances certainly do not dislike White Americans, (they 
don't care for Blacks or Hispanics), but they do feel White Americans are 
overly generous and rather foolish - foolish to the point of being stupid.  
Several have even asked me why more Americans don't feel the same why I 
do;  they want to know why more White Americans aren't White Nationalists.

Of course many Whites care about nothing but money also.  But a few 
are more idealistic.  A few want a better, brighter future for their 
children - and they realize that this will only be possible in a White 
America.  And it is always the few idealistic and motivated individuals 
who effect the course of history.

	National Vanguard Books
	P.O. Box 330			Send $2.00 for a catalog
	Hillsboro, WV 24948


From hill@crl.com Sun Oct 22 11:51:26 PDT 1995
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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
: Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?

None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  

I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
no White nations?  

: Children are neither an abstraction, like America, nor a fiction, like
: the "White race".

You say that you can recognize differences between different races, but 
you still feel "race" is a "fiction".  This doesn't make sense.  

Race isn't a fiction;  it is an important human difference.  It is 
entirely possible to feel more comfortable with people of your own race 
than you do with people of other races, (and I believe *most* people do).  
It is also possible to like and value your own race more than other races- 
just as parents value their own children over other peoples children.  

And this is healthy - not evil.



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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
: Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?

None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  

I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
no White nations?  

: Children are neither an abstraction, like America, nor a fiction, like
: the "White race".

You say that you can recognize differences between different races, but 
you still feel "race" is a "fiction".  This doesn't make sense.  

Race isn't a fiction;  it is an important human difference.  It is 
entirely possible to feel more comfortable with people of your own race 
than you do with people of other races, (and I believe *most* people do).  
It is also possible to like and value your own race more than other races- 
just as parents value their own children over other peoples children.  

And this is healthy - not evil.



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william c anderson (libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
: I live in a predominantly black, working-class neighborhood now.  
: Differences?  Sure.  You got some problem with difference?

None whatsoever.  But I would prefer living in a White neighborhood to  
living in a Black neighborhood.  Do you have a problem with that?  

I would also prefer living in a White nation to a multi-racial nation.  
No doubt, you DO have a problem with that.  (Correct me if I am wrong.)
Do you think that no racially homogeneous nations should exist - or just 
no White nations?  

: Children are neither an abstraction, like America, nor a fiction, like
: the "White race".

You say that you can recognize differences between different races, but 
you still feel "race" is a "fiction".  This doesn't make sense.  

Race isn't a fiction;  it is an important human difference.  It is 
entirely possible to feel more comfortable with people of your own race 
than you do with people of other races, (and I believe *most* people do).  
It is also possible to like and value your own race more than other races- 
just as parents value their own children over other peoples children.  

And this is healthy - not evil.



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Dan Day (dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com) wrote:
: Tell that to my Chinese friends who are here in the US now because
: they lived through the Cultural Revolution.

Why don't *you* tell them?  I don't think that they will disagree that 
many Chinese are in the US to make make "big money," and I don't think 
they will find anything shameful about it.  

In the area where I work, there are posters promoting a seminar in a 
local hotel.  I can't read it because it is in Chinese, but it features 
an outstretched hand with a big, glowing dollar sign in it.  This sort of 
thing is quite common.  And anybody who knows many Chinese people, and
has honest discussions with them, will realize that making lots of money 
is the most important thing to them.  They care little about America 
except as an economic tool.  They care little about Americans.  They put
themselves first.  I'm not saying that they are therefore "wrong" or 
"evil".  From their point of view this makes sense.

My Chinese acquaintances certainly do not dislike White Americans, (they 
don't care for Blacks or Hispanics), but they do feel White Americans are 
overly generous and rather foolish - foolish to the point of being stupid.  
Several have even asked me why more Americans don't feel the same why I 
do;  they want to know why more White Americans aren't White Nationalists.

Of course many Whites care about nothing but money also.  But a few 
are more idealistic.  A few want a better, brighter future for their 
children - and they realize that this will only be possible in a White 
America.  And it is always the few idealistic and motivated individuals 
who effect the course of history.

	National Vanguard Books
	P.O. Box 330			Send $2.00 for a catalog
	Hillsboro, WV 24948


From hill@crl.com Wed Oct 25 22:46:03 PDT 1995
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Dan Day (dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com) wrote:
: You're a typical bigot, Evelyn; when something of which you don't approve
: is done by a member of your own group, you either fail to see it, excuse it,
: or write it off as the actions of an atypical few, but when it's done by a
: group you don't like, you say "that's typical of that sort of person, see,
: I was right".

Actually, that's what I used to think also.  I used to be a liberal.  
When I would notice anything to support the idea that different races 
are different, I would dismiss it with the very argument that you 
present above.  

One day I decided to try to be totally objective and see if I would 
notice any general differences between different races then.  It was 
a long and difficult process, but in the end I had to abandon my 
formerly non-racialist outlook.  Living in a very multi-racial area, 
and working directly with the general public certainly helped.  

It is also important to remember that when talking about racial 
differences, you are talking about what is generally true and about 
averages.  There are, of course, going to be any number of exceptions.
But these exceptions don't mean that racial differences don't exist or
that they aren't important.


From hill@crl.com Wed Oct 25 22:46:04 PDT 1995
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Helmut Schoenleber (helmut@shenhe.swb.de) wrote:
: No matter if you or anyone else wants it or not, it will eventually  
: happen.  It's a natural process that runs the entire universe, called  
: entropy.

The racial transformation of the United States is the product of 
human laws and not the laws of physics.  

If the 1965 immigration bill wasn't passed the US would be 
overwhelmingly White and our population would be stabilizing.  
Instead, California has a population growth rate similar to 
that of a 3rd world country and US population is increasing 
faster than any other country in the industrial world. 

With changes in immigration policy, etc.  These racial changes
could be reversed.  For example, women on welfare could be 
required to use Norplant to prevent them from having children
that the taxpayers have to surpport.

: Culture is permanently changing.  Had mankind always tried to keep a  
: specific culture, most of us would still be living in feudalism or  
: cannibalism.  The change will come, the only question is if it will come  
: gradually or in a single step...

There is a difference between organic cultural change and cultural 
displacement.  What is happening in the US today isn't so much that
American culture is evolving as it is that American culture is being
displaced.  The culture of feudal Europe evolved.  The culture of
Tibet (for example) is being displaced.

: Have you ever thought about what made your country special?  It's not 
: your "European" heritage, it's your multi-cultural heritage!

Tell the families of the German tourists murdered in Florida how "special"
multi-culturalism is.


From hill@crl.com Wed Oct 25 22:49:26 PDT 1995
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Dan Day (dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com) wrote:
: You're a typical bigot, Evelyn; when something of which you don't approve
: is done by a member of your own group, you either fail to see it, excuse it,
: or write it off as the actions of an atypical few, but when it's done by a
: group you don't like, you say "that's typical of that sort of person, see,
: I was right".

Actually, that's what I used to think also.  I used to be a liberal.  
When I would notice anything to support the idea that different races 
are different, I would dismiss it with the very argument that you 
present above.  

One day I decided to try to be totally objective and see if I would 
notice any general differences between different races then.  It was 
a long and difficult process, but in the end I had to abandon my 
formerly non-racialist outlook.  Living in a very multi-racial area, 
and working directly with the general public certainly helped.  

It is also important to remember that when talking about racial 
differences, you are talking about what is generally true and about 
averages.  There are, of course, going to be any number of exceptions.
But these exceptions don't mean that racial differences don't exist or
that they aren't important.


From hill@crl.com Wed Oct 25 22:49:27 PDT 1995
Article: 11292 of can.politics
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
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Subject: Re: Erb Contradicts Census (Was: Diversity!  Was: Re: Nazis on the Net
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Helmut Schoenleber (helmut@shenhe.swb.de) wrote:
: No matter if you or anyone else wants it or not, it will eventually  
: happen.  It's a natural process that runs the entire universe, called  
: entropy.

The racial transformation of the United States is the product of 
human laws and not the laws of physics.  

If the 1965 immigration bill wasn't passed the US would be 
overwhelmingly White and our population would be stabilizing.  
Instead, California has a population growth rate similar to 
that of a 3rd world country and US population is increasing 
faster than any other country in the industrial world. 

With changes in immigration policy, etc.  These racial changes
could be reversed.  For example, women on welfare could be 
required to use Norplant to prevent them from having children
that the taxpayers have to surpport.

: Culture is permanently changing.  Had mankind always tried to keep a  
: specific culture, most of us would still be living in feudalism or  
: cannibalism.  The change will come, the only question is if it will come  
: gradually or in a single step...

There is a difference between organic cultural change and cultural 
displacement.  What is happening in the US today isn't so much that
American culture is evolving as it is that American culture is being
displaced.  The culture of feudal Europe evolved.  The culture of
Tibet (for example) is being displaced.

: Have you ever thought about what made your country special?  It's not 
: your "European" heritage, it's your multi-cultural heritage!

Tell the families of the German tourists murdered in Florida how "special"
multi-culturalism is.


From hill@crl.com Wed Oct 25 22:49:28 PDT 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
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Subject: Re: Tuberculosis' Resurgence in Canada
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Ian Parson (ianp@nudge.io.org) wrote:
: What is our government doing in allowing people with serious 
: easily communicable diseases to enter and stay in this country?

There has always been TB in Canada.  TB is a Canadian disease.  What's 
wrong with letting a few more carriers in?  Doesn't what Canada gains
in diversity make it worthwhile?  I think you're a racist.


From hill@crl.com Mon Oct 30 18:16:29 PST 1995
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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
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Subject: Re: Fred  "Goebbels lover" Taub is a Nazi asshole
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Fred Taub (ftaub@ncoast.org) wrote:
: I agree that Nazi's shoud go to hell,
: and while your there, say Hi to Evelyn Hill for me.

Hey!  I'm not dead yet!



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From: hill@crl.com (Evelyn Hill)
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Subject: Re: Jew Gun-Grabbers in Congress
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