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Article: 59426 of alt.revisionism
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From: Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann)
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Subject: Re: Here We Go Again (Re: Evil Holocaust Revisionism)
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Subject: Re: Here We Go Again (Re: Evil Holocaust Revisionism)

Dkeren writes:
>Once again: the claim "why would they have used up 
>resources in transporting the Jews" is void, because
>they *did* transport them. "Revisionists" claim they
>were transported deep into the USSR, which would
>have wasted *more* resources than transporting them
>to the death camps, which were closer.

I assume by the statement: "Revisionists" claim they were 
transported deep into the USSR..." that you mean revisionists have 
claimed that THE NAZI'S made transports "deep into the USSR."

Can you please cite a revisionist book or article which makes this 
claim.  Please don't bother citing comments made on this newsgroup.

Thanks.




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From Widmann@gnn.com Sat Aug 24 18:44:30 PDT 1996
Article: 59630 of alt.revisionism
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From: Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann)
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Subject: Re: Required Amount Of Zyklon (Re: I am still waiting)
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Subject: Re: Required Amount Of Zyklon (Re: I am still waiting)

Dkeren writes:

>10 ppm = 11 mg/m^3
>
>300 ppm = 330 mg/m^3 (causes immediate death).
>
>Multiply by volume of largest gas chamber:
>
>(330 mg)*500 = 165 grams.
>
>Multiply by a factor of 3 for gross weight of Zyklon:
>
>165*3 aprrox. half of a Kg.
>
>At least 1/6 evaporates in the first 10 minutes (this is
>a definite lower bound), so multiply the (half of a Kg) 
>by 6 to get 3 Kg.
>
>To achieve quicker death, they could have used, say,
>8 Kg, that's 2 Kg per person.
> You're still claiming they
>couldn't carry such an amount up the ladder?

A couple of minor points.  First according to the English edition 
of the Rudolf Report, approximately 10% of Zyklon B is given off in 

10 minutes at 20 degree Centigrade.  -Graph 2 in the report shows 
distribution ver time.  Temperature should not be forgotten during 
these calculations.

The important element regarding the amount of Zyklon is not how 
much can be carried up a ladder, (let's stay serious!)
The issue is how much Zyklon must be used for the execution of 
humans versus a simple delousing.

To enable a relatively fast execution, Rudolf has calculated that 
the quantities of Zyklon B used must have been at least 
correspondingly comparable to those used in technical delousing.


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From Widmann@gnn.com Sun Aug 25 16:00:15 PDT 1996
Article: 59852 of alt.revisionism
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From: Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann)
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Subject: Re: Required Amount Of Zyklon (Re: I am still waiting)
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In article  Daniel Keren wrote:
># To enable a relatively fast execution, Rudolf has 
># calculated that the quantities of Zyklon B used must have 
># been at least correspondingly comparable to those used in 
># technical delousing.
>
>That's 4 Kg to kill 2,000 people in 15-20 minutes. I
>recall Rudolph gives 4.5 Kg. Now convince "kurt stele" 
>and Giwer.

The importance of these calculations is really in regard to the 
Cyanide concentrations found during the various samples and 
chemical analysis that were conducted.

According to Table 1. (of the Rudolf Report) entitled: "Cyanide 
concentrations in the masonry of "gas chambers" and/or delousing 
chambers; data in mg cyanide (CN-) per kg brick, mortar, cement and 
/or plaster.

The report specifies:
"Table 1 shows the principal findings of the materials samples 
analyses.  The first part of the table shows samples from the 
"alleged gas chambers."  The second part shows samples from the 
delousing chambers.  The third part shows the analysis results for 
samples associated with neither the "gas chambers" nor the 
delousing chambers.  By means of control smaples, Rudolf has shown 
that -- depending on the type of material -- analytical values 
under 10 mg/kg are unreliable, and should be entered as null 
values.  The conclusion which follows is that the levels of cyanide 
in the alleged "gas chambers" are so low as to be comparable to any 
other building selected at random, that is: no detectable trace 
residues.  In contrast to these findings, cyanide levels in the 
delousing chambers range between 1,000 and 10,000 mg/kg, which 
means that the walls consist 0.1 to 1% of cyanides."

Samples labeledL1-7 from C II, morgue 1 (gas chamber) 0.0
        labeledL8   from C III, morgue 1 (gas chamber) 1.9
               L9   from C III, morgue 1 (gas chamber) 6.7
             L10,11 from C III, morgue 1 (gas chamber) 0.0

(There are various additional samples listed in the table - I have 
taken the first four lines dealing with Crematorium II and III)

Sample R5 - Inmate barracks,    0.6
       R6 - Inmate barracks,    <0.1
       R7 - Inmate barracks,    0.3
       R8 - Inmate barracks,    2.7/ 0.0

(Again I have only listed the first four of these "control" 
samples.  Those interested in the complete analysis should read the 
Rudolf Report (in German).

A comparison of these to the delousing chambers (in which 
approximately the same amount of Zyklon must have been used - even 
by your calculations yields quite a different result)

 Sample  R9  - Delousing chamber B1a BW 5a, Inside   11,000.0
         R11 - "                                 "   2640.0/1430.0
         R12 -  "                               "    2900.0
         R13 - "                                "    3000.0


 
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                              Richard Widmann
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From Widmann@gnn.com Tue Aug 27 13:00:14 PDT 1996
Article: 60332 of alt.revisionism
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From: Widmann@gnn.com (Richard Widmann)
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Subject: Re: Required Amount Of Zyklon
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In article  Daniel Keren wrote:
># The importance of these calculations is really in regard to 
># the Cyanide concentrations found during the various samples 
># and chemical analysis that were conducted.
>
>I thought we've been through this, many times.
>
>The required exposure time for delousing is very long
>(many hours). Homicidal gassing with the same concentration
>kills within minutes.

Well, here we disagree.  See the complete Rudolf Report for a 
detailed analysis of this question.

In brief: 1)The unheated cellars (gas chambers) in K II and III had 
moist walls, in contrast to the heated delousing chambers on the 
ground fall.  The tendency of the moist walls to become enrichened 
by hydrocyanic acid would demonstrably have been at least 10 times 
greater than that of the dry walls in the delousing chambers.
2)  To explain the differences in cyanide values between the gas 
chambers and the delousing chamber (by a factor of 100 to 1,000), 
the product of the factors (concentration x gassing times) in the 
case of gassing of human beings must also have been 1,000 to 10,000 
times lower, if not less, in order to compensate for the higher 
rate of HCN absorption by the damp cellar walls.  If, therefore, 
the normal quantity of hydrocyanic acid allegedly used to gas human 
beings was only 1/10th as much as in delousing, the procedure must 
also have lasted 1/100th or 1/1000th as long.  Generously 
calculating a delousing period of 12 hours, this would mean 0.7 to 
7 minutes for a mass killing of human beings.  After that period of 
time, there could not have been any more gas in the chamber, that 
is, it must have been successfully ventilated.

As we know, Zyklon B continues to give off hydrocyanic acid for 
over 2 hours.  

>
>Because of that, the walls of the homicidal gas chambers
>were exposed to the gas for a much shorter time than
>those of the delousing chambers.
>
>Moreover, the delousing chambers are intact, the gas
>chambers destroyed and left in ruins for 50 years
>before Rudolph took his samples; during those 50 years,
>they were exposed to rain, acid rain etc, which 
>washed  away some of the cyanide compounds.
>
Again from the Rudolf Report, "Fortunately, however, the "gas 
chamber" in Crematorium II has remained largely intact.  Not only 
are the materials indisputably original (apart from the holes in 
the roof - we'll leave this for another day) and free from 
manipulation, but large parts of it lie in areas protected from 
weathering by the roof.  

Also to address your very criticism, Rudolf wrote: "The question 
then arises as to why[ the compounds] survived for 50 years in the 
delousing barracks both in locations protected from weathering and 
in other locations subject to weathering for 50 years.  Since the 
walls of the "gas chambers" of CREMATORIA II WERE LARGELY PROTECTED 
FROM WEATHERING, this last escape attempt was also doomed to 
failure."  Allso note study showing that pigment is NOT destroyed 
even when exposed to weathering in superficial applications. (cited 
in RR)

># A comparison of these to the delousing chambers (in which 
># approximately the same amount of Zyklon must have been used)
>
>Sigh. Same concentration, but far shorter exposure time.
>
>We've been through this a zillion times. Isn't enough, enough?
>

See my brief comments above and read the Rudolf Report.  Preferably 
the complete (banned) German edition.

>Lastly, aren't Rudolph's findings in the homicidal chambers
>much smaller than what other chemists found?
>
No, where did you get this?  They all appear to be in exactly the 
sample range.  The lowest sample value that I see is 0.0, the 
highest 7.2 mg per kg.  Rudolf turned in the 7.2 sample actually.
>
I suggest, even if you can't read German to check out the tables in 
Rudolf's article at http://codoh.com/inter/intgaskamm.html.


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