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From Fri Jul  5 14:56:10 PDT 1996
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	As the first seconds of July 4, 1996 ticked away, the Bradley 
R. Smith / CODOH (Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust) 
website was shutdown from the World Wide Web.  The Bradley R. Smith 
Website was dedicated to the cause of Free Speech and especially 
encouraged open debate on the topic of the Holocaust.

	Bradley R. Smith had received uninterrupted service from 
Valleynet Communications, his web provider.  Valleynet was recently 
purchased by an eastern company, ProtoSource Corporation.  For 
various reasons the Valleynet name was being dropped and changed to 
ProtoSource Network.  On the morning of July 4th, ProtoSource 
Network shut down the Bradley Smith Website and discontinued 
Smith's email account without notice or explanation.  ProtoSource 
Network's homepage can be accessed at

	The Bradley R. Smith website had been instrumental in 
battling censorship of politically incorrect ideas.  The website 
ran a large Censorship page which featured numerous articles on the 
topic of Internet Censorship.  The website was part of the 
Internet's Blue Ribbon Free Speech Campaign.  The website also 
featured the unique ThoughtCrimes Archive which documented 
persecution and hate crimes directed against historical 

	The Website received national attention recently by 
combatting censorship in the United States by posting the 
introduction to British historian, David Irving's controversial 
volume, Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich.  The publication 
of this volume was cancelled by St. Martin's Press after having 
received numerous threats.

	Bradley Smith was also instrumental in making Roger Garaudy's 
maligned volume, The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics available 
for all to read in its original French.  The Bradley R. Smith 
website had just begun the posting of this important work in 
English, the only place in the world where this translation was 
available.  Garaudy is currently under investigation in France for 
having written this volume.

	The latest project to combat international censorship was the 
posting of  Grundlagen zur Zeitgeschichte.  Grundlagen is a 
collaboration by the world's leading revisionists featuring 
scientific documentation which casts doubt on the traditional 
holocaust story.  The editor of this volume was sentenced to 15 
months imprisonment in Germany and a judge recently ruled (June 6, 
1996) that all copies of this book be burned.

	Bradley Smith has been a long time advocate of free speech.  
In 1960-61 he was arrested and convicted for selling Henry Miller's 
Topic of Cancer.


The THOUGHTCRIMES ARCHIVE is a series designed as a cooperative 
effort to aid and assist the entire community by reporting acts of 
censorship, violence, and other outrages perpetrated against 
individuals with unpopular or revisionist views.  If you know of 
any such situations or have been a victim yourself, please report 
the details to: (Richard Widmann).

"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime IS death."  
George Orwell

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                                     Richard Widmann
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From Mon Jul  8 08:50:13 PDT 1996
Article: 49003 of alt.revisionism
From: (Richard Widmann)
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Regarding your query - this is borrowed from the website of Greg 
Raven :


Regarding an Allied radio broadcast announcement that the Jews were 
being exterminated:
"Really, the Jews should be grateful to me for wanting nothing more 
than a bit of hard work from them."
-Adolf Hitler quoted in: David Irving, Hitler's War (London: Focal 
Point, 1991), p.427.

"In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn 
the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who been destroyed by 
disease.  We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this 
account they are knotting a noose for us."
-Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler quoted in: Arthur Butz, The Hoax 
of the Twentieth Century (California: Institute for Historical 
Review, 1985), p.240. See also: Gerald Reitlinger, The Final 
Solution (London: Jason Aronson, 1987), p.480.

"Well, I knew they were being transported to the East, and 
understood that they were being set up in camps with their own 
administration, and eventually would settle somewhere in the East. 
- I don't know. - I had no idea that it would lead to extermination 
in any literal sense.  We just wanted to take them out of German 
political life."
-Alfred Rosenberg - leading Nazi theoretician quoted in: G.M. 
Gilbert, Nuremberg Diary (New York: Signet, 1961), p.71. 

"I was never so close to Hitler as to have him express himself to 
me on [Nazi extermination camps] .  I always thought that 
[concentration camps] were places where people were put to useful 
work.  Those pictures that you showed me yesterday [of Dachau] must 
depict things that happend in the final few days."
-Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering quoted in: David Irving, Goering : 
A Biography (New York: William Morrow and Co., 1989), p.469.

After being shown films of Buchenwald:
"I don't belive it!"
-Deputy of the Fuehrer  Rudolf Hess quoted in: Gilbert, Nuremberg 
Diary, p.47. 

"They refuse to believe me when I tell them that I have never even 
seen a concentration camp.  I add that if excesses have been 
committed they are regrettable and reprehensible, and the real 
culprits should be punished.  I point out that such cruelties have 
been perpetrated not only by our people, but by all peoples in 
every age.  I remind them of the Boer War.  Therefore these 
excesses must be judged by the same criterion.  I cannot imagine 
that the mounds of corpses depicted in the photographs were taken 
in concentration camps.  I tell them that we have seen such sights, 
not on film, but in fact, after the air attacks on Dresden and 
Hamburg and other cities when Allied four-engined bombers deluged 
them indiscriminately with phosphorus and high explosive bombs and 
countless women and children were massacred."
-Hans Ulrich Rudel, Stuka Pilot (California: Noontide Press, 1990) 

"How can they accuse me of knowing of such things?  They ask why I 
didn't go to Himmler to check on the concentration camps.  Why 
that's preposterous!  He would have kicked me out just as I would 
have kicked him out if he came to investigate the navy!  What in 
God's name did I have to do with these things?"
-Grand Admiral Karl Doenitz quoted in: Gilbert, Nuremberg Diary, 

"If I had known it I would have told my son, I'd rather shoot you 
than let you join the SS.  But I didn't know."
-Field-Marshal Wilhelm Keitel quoted in: Gilbert, Nuremberg Diary, 

"Hitler couldn't even have looked at such a film [documentary film 
on Nazi concentration camps as they were found by American troops] 
himself.  I don't understand.  I don't even think that Himmler 
could have ordered such things."
-Joachim von Ribbentrop, Foreign Minister quoted in: Gilbert, 
Nuremberg Diary, pp. 49-50. 

"Do you think I had the slightest notion about gas wagons and such 
-Wilhelm Funk, Finance Minister quoted in: Gilbert, Nuremberg 
Diary, p.73. 

"The indictment knocked me on the head.  First of all, I had no 
idea at all about 90 per cent of the accusations in it.  The crimes 
are horrible beyond belief, if they are true... The guilt for 
atrocities in the East is suddenly reversed.  How can the Russians 
sit in judgment on us for barbaric measures against Eastern 
-General Alfred Jodl quoted in: Gilbert, Nuremberg Diary, p.31-32. 

"I never found out anything about any of this... [It] is because of 
newspaper propaganda.  I told you when I saw the newspaper headline 
'Gas Chamber Expert Captured' and  an American lieutenant explained 
it to me, I was pale with amazement.  How can they say such things 
about me?  I told you I was only in charge of the Intelligence 
Service from 1943 on.  The British even admitted that they tried to 
assassinate me because of that- not because of having anything to 
do with atrocities, you can be sure of that."
-Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Chief of Police quoted in: Gilbert, Nuremberg 
Diary, p.234-235. 

"But for millions of non-Germans, the Germans are brutes, capable 
of anything.  That summary judgement, born of invented horrors laid 
to the Germans in 1914, has remained in the subconscious of the 
public.  Let the occasion arise again, and that mentality is reborn 
at once, as we saw in 1940-1945.  Anything at all will be believed 
if it is charged to the Germans.  Whether it's a question of gas 
chambers in which, to believe the figures of the accusers, the 
victims would have to have been crowded together thirty-two persons 
per square meter twenty-four hours a day; or whether a description 
is being given to you of the crematory furnaces which, if they had 
to burn up all the bodies assigned to them by the Jewish 
propaganda, would still be working at full capacity in the year 
2050, or even 2080.  When it's a matter of denigrating Germans, 
nothing need be verified."
-General Leon Degrelle, Hitler: Born at Versailles (California: 
Institute for Historical Review, 1987), p. 141.


                                    C E N S O R E D ! ! !
                                     Richard Widmann
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From Mon Jul  8 19:56:45 PDT 1996
Article: 49045 of alt.revisionism
From: (Richard Widmann)
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Subject: Re: No gas chamber in the old reich, sorry!
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In article  Daniel Keren wrote:
>This is a common "revisionist" lie. Dr. Broszat didn't say
>that there were no gas chambers in the "Old Reich".
Actually if you read the article below you will see that Broszat 
doesn't say that there were no gas chambers in the Old Reich but 
that there were no gassings.

Please check Dr. Martin Broszat's letter in the Hamburg weekly Die 
Zeit under the headline "Keine Vergasung in Dachau" ("No Gassing in 
Dachau").  It appeared in the German edition of August 19, 1960 and 
in the US edition of August 26, 1960 (p.14).

The article in its entirety will be available on the NEW CODOH 
site.  I'll let you know the URL as soon as we get back on line.  
For now here's the excerpt in question - (that mentioning "the Old 

"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews 
or other prisoners gassed.  The gas chamber in Dachau was never 
entirely finished or put 'into operation.'  Hundreds of thousands 
of prisoners who perished in Dachau and other concentration camps 
in the Old Reich were victims, above all, of the catastrophic 
hygienic and provisioning conditions: according to official SS 
statistics, during the twelve months ffrom July 1942 through June 
1943 alone, 110,812 persons died of disease and hunger in all of 
the concentration camps of the Reich.  The mass exterminations of 
the Jews by gassing began in 1941-1942 and occurred exclusively in 
a few facilities selected and equipped with appropriate technical 
installations, above all in the occupied Polish territory (but at 
no place in the Old Reich): in Auschwitz-Birkenau, in Sobibor on 
the Bug, in Treblinka, Chelmno and Belzec."

The original German in the parenthesis' reads :"(aber nirgends im 

                                    C E N S O R E D ! ! !
                                     Richard Widmann
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From Tue Jul  9 11:52:17 PDT 1996
Article: 49179 of alt.revisionism
From: (Richard Widmann)
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Subject: Another word on Dachau
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In the Sunday, January 24, 1993 edition of the Stars and Stripes, 
(note: four years after the volume cited by Mr. McCarthy in a 
recent post.) Mr. Simon Wiesenthal commented on the Dachau gas 

Now, before I reproduce (a portion) of that quote, I will merely 
point out the Mr. Wiesenthal made a similar comment in 1975 which 
was published in Books and Bookmen.  Wiesenthal later (May 1986) 
repudiated his claim.

All that aside this is the latest comments by Wiesenthal regarding 
Dachau and a few other camps.  I quote it partially.  Those 
interested int eh entire letter should check "The Stars and Stripes 
of Jan. 24, 1993) or Mr. McCarthy should check his copy of "The 
Journal of Historical Review, Vol. XIII, Number 3, May/June 1993.  


"It is true that there were no extermination camps on German soil 
and thus no mass gassings such as those that took place at 
Auschwitz, Treblinka and other camps.  A gas chamber was in the 
process of being built at Dachau, but it was never completed."


                                    C E N S O R E D ! ! !
                                     Richard Widmann
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