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From Sun Aug 27 13:11:48 PDT 1995
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I will be documenting the various cases of persecution and actions taken
against Revisionists for perpetration of thoughtcrimes.  In this I need
your HELP.

My THOUGHTCRIME ARCHIVES will be designed as a cooperative effort to aid
and assist the Revisionist community by reporting acts of censorship,
violence, and other outrages perpetrated against revisionists.  

If you know of any such situations or have been a victim yourself, please
report the details to : (Richard Widmann).

My immediate goal is to report all recent acts taken against revisionists.
 As a long term goal I would like to go back and collect the major acts
taken against revisionists through the years.  It will be my goal to have
the entire THOUGHTCRIMES ARCHIVE live on the World Wide Web as a major
resource for all who are interested in issues of freedom of speech.

"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime IS death."  George

From Sun Aug 27 13:13:43 PDT 1995
Article: 4900 of alt.revisionism
From: (Widmann)
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Subject: Re: Nuremberg & the Katyn indictment
Date: 27 Aug 1995 12:57:16 -0400
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>from  IMT VII
p. 425-427

I should now like to turn to the brutalities committed by the Hitlerites
towards members of the Czechoslovakian, Polish, and Yugoslavian Armies. 
We find, in the Indictment, that one of the most important criminal acts
for which the major war criminals are responsible was the mass execution
of Polish prisoners of war, shot in the Katyn Forest near Smolensk by the
German facist invaders.

I submit to the Tribunal, as a proof of this crime, official documents of
the special commission for the establishment and the investigation of the
circumstances which attended the executions.  The commission acted in
accordance with a directive of the Extraordinary State Commission of the
Soviet Union....

It woul take too long to read into the record that precise and detailed
document which I now submit to you as Exhibit Numer USSR-54 (Document
Number USSR-54), which is a result of the investigation.  I shall read
into the record only a few comparatively short excerpts.  On Page 2 of the
document, which is Page 223 in your document book, we read- this passage
is marked in your file:

"According to the estimates of medico-legal experts, the total number of
bodies amounts to over 11,000.  The medico-legal experts carried out a
thorough examination of the bodies exhumed, and of the documents and
material evidence found on the bodies and in the graves.  During the
exhumation and examination of the corpses, the commission questioned many
witnesses among the local inhabitants.  Their testimony permitted the
determination of the exact time and circumstances of the crimes committed
by the German invaders."

...You will find the lines read into the record on Page 43 of Exhibit
Number USSR-54 if you turn to the original document, or on Page 264 of
your document book:

"General Conclusions:
On perusal of all the material at the disposal of the special commission,
that is, the depositions of over 100 witnesses questioned, the data of the
medico-legal experts, the documents and material evidence and belongings
taken from the graves in Katyn Forest, we can arrive at the following
definite conclusions:

1. The Polish prisoners of war imprisoned in the three camps west of
Smolensk and engaged in railway construction before the war, remained
there after the occupation of Smolensk by the Germans, right up to
September 1941.

2. In the autumn of 1941, in Katyn Forest, the German occupational
authorities carried out mass shootings of the Polish prisoners of war from
the above-mentioned camps.

3. Mass shootings of Polish prisoners of war in Katyn Forest were carried
out by German military organizations disguised under the specific name,
'Staff 537, Engineer Construction Battalion,' commanded by Oberleutnant
Arnes and his colleagues, Oberleutnant Rex and Leutnant Hott.

4. In connection with the deterioration, for Germany, of the general
military and political machinery at the beginning of 1943, the German
occupational authorities, with a view to provoking incidents, undertook a
whole series of measure to ascribe their own misdeeds to organizations of
the Soviet authorities, in order to make mischief between the Russians and

5. For these purposes:
a. The German fascist invaders, by persuasion, attempts at bribery,
threats, and by barbarous tortures, endeavored to find 'witnesses' among
the Soviet citizens from whom they obtained false testimony, alleging that
the Polish prisoners of war had been shot by organizations of the Soviet
authorities in the spring of 1940.
b. The German occupational authorities, in the spring of 1943, brought
>from  other places the bodies of Polish prisoners of war whom they had
shot, and laid them in the turned up graves of Katyn Forest with the dual
purpose of covering up the traces of their own atrocities and of
increasing the numbers of 'victims of Bolshevist atrocities' in Katyn
c. While preparing their provocative measures, the German occupational
authorities employed up to 500 Russian prisoners of war for the task of
digging up the graves in Katyn Forest.  Once the graves had been dug, the
Russian prisoners of war were shot by the Germans in order to destroy thus
all proof and material evidence on the matter.

6. The date of the legal and medical examination determined, without any
shadow of doubt:
a. That the time of shooting was autumn 1941.
b. The application by the German executioners, when shooting Polish
prisoners of war, of the identical method - a pistol shot in the nape of
the neck - as used by them in mass murders of the Soviet citizens in other
towns, especially in Orel, Voronetz, Krasnodar and in Smolensk itself."

THE PRESIDENT: The Tribunal will now recess.

[The Tribunal recessed until 1400 hours.]

"Having heard with admirable patience what the Soviet prosecutor had to
say about the Katyn Massacre, the Tribuanl passed without comment to the
consideration of other matters.  No later comment on the subject was made
at Nuernberg.  The judgment of the Tribunal when delivered was found to
contain no reference to the Katyn Massacre.

...By leaving the charge undecided, the Tribunal was complying with the
limitation of its jurisdiction impsed by the Charter to crimes 'ommitted
in the interests of the European Axis countries.'  If the Germans were
guilty, the crime of Katyn had been committed in the interests of an Axis
country... and the Tribunal had jurisdiction to punish it.  But if the
Germans were innocent, the Russians were guilty, in which case the
jurisdiction of the Tribunal to discuss the matter, much less to come to
any decision about it, instantly ceased.

It is unfortunately true that as a result of this solution of the
difficulty, manking was deprived of the benefit of hearing what the
International Military Tribunal thought about the Katyn Massacre.  Still,
in view of the Tribunal's decisions on other matters, perhaps the loss to
mankind may not be so very great."

F.J.P. Veale, Crimes Discreetly Veiled, (Institute for Historical Review
P.O. Box 1306 Torrance  Ca. 90505).

         "Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime IS death." 

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