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From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  1 10:13:06 PST 1996
Article: 34681 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Diversity  does NOT means defeat of any race
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:08:27 -0500
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <32764C0E.69DC@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> ::    Actually, all the conquistadors and Columbus were very, very white
> ::indeed.  It was that which confused the Aztecs into thinking Cortez was
> ::their ancietn white god returned.  Don't you libs know ANYTHING?
> 
> I don't know who the "libs" are, but I can comment on behalf of myself.
> 
> In alt.politics.immigration, where I post, some racists have opposed
> immigration on racist grounds (exclude "blacks", "Hispanics", include
> "Whites"). In this context they always call for immigration from "White
> European" countries, and oppose immigration from Latin America.
> 
> For my part, I enjoy pointing out the logical inconsistencies involved (if
> Spainish people are "White Europeans" how come "Hispanics" are "Non-White"?).
> IMHO, people are people are people are people .....
> 
> I am the opposite of a racist. IMHO, there is only one race, the human race.
> 
> FYI, in my experience, racism is distributed more or less equally throughout
> the political spectrum with a SLIGHT preponderance of racists among
> conservatives (who tend to be "old-fashioned" in their thinking).
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]



That is the standard PC line, of course.  But while you claim you don't
notice race, it is always every white majority country you want
immigrated and miscegenated, and ONLY white majority countries.
    Every single time you justify this, all the words boil down to two
statements: 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white race
deserves it.
    Usually the two statements are made together, in good old Good Boy
Doublethink.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  1 10:13:08 PST 1996
Article: 34685 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:35:54 -0500
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Ron Kephart wrote:
> >>
> >> frank@clark.net () wrote:
> >>
> >> > Now if you'll just tell me what you mean by "meaningful," you'll have
> >> > answered the original question, "What are the race deniers denying?"
> >>
> >> By "biologically meaningful" I meant genetically determined traits
> >> which cluster together within a given population and which do not
> >> occur in other populations.  Let's say that all humans with very light-brown
> >> skin, blue eyes, and straight blonde hair also had type O blood, and
> >> they all happened to live on Iceland.  Let's say further that they
> >> had lived there for maybe 10,000 years with no gene flow between them
> >> and any other human population.  Maybe you could make a good case for
> >> this being a "race"; what do the real biologists think?
> >
> >
> >      Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> 
> Actually Bob, if you'd have put your brain into gear before typing, you
> would have noticed that he was actually asking a question.
> 
> >      Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> >are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> >thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> 
> Huh. And the evidence for this assertion is?
> 
> Lets see, Christopher Brand author of "The g factor" says races are
> innately different, as does Richard Lynn, they both live in Europe - so
> have they been locked up for 5 years and fined 60,000 dollars (or maybe
> Ecu's would be more appropriate for the non-US centric readers of this
> newsgroup!).
> 
> [snipped]
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


   And at the same time, all the authorities agree with you, but now
they don't, right?
   Good old good boy Doublethink!


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:35:54 -0500
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Ron Kephart wrote:
> >>
> >> frank@clark.net () wrote:
> >>
> >> > Now if you'll just tell me what you mean by "meaningful," you'll have
> >> > answered the original question, "What are the race deniers denying?"
> >>
> >> By "biologically meaningful" I meant genetically determined traits
> >> which cluster together within a given population and which do not
> >> occur in other populations.  Let's say that all humans with very light-brown
> >> skin, blue eyes, and straight blonde hair also had type O blood, and
> >> they all happened to live on Iceland.  Let's say further that they
> >> had lived there for maybe 10,000 years with no gene flow between them
> >> and any other human population.  Maybe you could make a good case for
> >> this being a "race"; what do the real biologists think?
> >
> >
> >      Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> 
> Actually Bob, if you'd have put your brain into gear before typing, you
> would have noticed that he was actually asking a question.
> 
> >      Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> >are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> >thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> 
> Huh. And the evidence for this assertion is?
> 
> Lets see, Christopher Brand author of "The g factor" says races are
> innately different, as does Richard Lynn, they both live in Europe - so
> have they been locked up for 5 years and fined 60,000 dollars (or maybe
> Ecu's would be more appropriate for the non-US centric readers of this
> newsgroup!).
> 
> [snipped]
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


   And at the same time, all the authorities agree with you, but now
they don't, right?
   Good old good boy Doublethink!


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  1 10:23:50 PST 1996
Article: 105700 of alt.conspiracy
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: 14 YEAR OLD GA HONOR STUDENT ARRESTED AT MCDONALD'S
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T. Hobbes wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >     And in the real world, only white majority countries are being
> > immigrated and integratd out of existence.  In the real world, blacks DO
> > commit more crimes, etc.  If a white person describes the real world, he
> > is a racist.
> 
> In the real world, left handers DO commit more crimes, etc.
> (I have no idea if this is true, but it's just a guess.)
> What are we really looking at here?  In the real world,
> *poor* people commit more crimes. Why? Because if he needs
> a $1000 right away, it's a lot easier for a poor person
> to knock off a liquor store than for him to pull a little
> semi-insider-trading deal or just fudge his expense report
> a little.  In the real world, blacks just happen to be
> poor.  Why?  Because they started poor immediately after
> the Civil War and are still fighting their way up.
> 
> Let's go to a parellel world where by some freak phenomenon,
> blacks had the same average salaries as whites in this
> country.  Who do you think will be committing the most
> crimes in this world?  Blacks? Whites?  Nope...poor people.
> Because hey, if I'm rich, blowing $50 on a pair of jeans
> is no problem.


   Everybody here has heard all those excuses a thousand times.


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Brian Smith wrote:
> 
> hmcom@eskimo.com (company account) wrote:
> 
> >You should know that the Nazis executed even other white germans who
> >dared to speak out against Hitler and the Nazis.  There once was a pair
> >of college kids (brother and sister) who dared to write something on their
> >campus against the Nazis.  They were executed without trial.  What kind of
> >low life scum is afraid of college kids voicing opposition 


   I don't know what world you've been living in, but do you have any
idea what happens to a European student who refuses to be orthodox in
his racial views?  He goes to prison.
   Here in the 'States, we just ruin his career for him if he is not
Politically Correct on racial issues.
   But, of course, you were bravely protesting a dictator who died fifty
years ago, so please go ahead.







-- and to the
> >point of murdering them?  Low life scum like you, Ian.
> 
> >-McDaniel
> 
> Please post proof of this typical bit of anti-German propagandistic
> nonsense!
> 
> Brian Smith
> www.natall.com


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
> 
> >In article <846613097$2197@atype.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> >writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >>      Further, we re all aware that HITLER believed in races.  So anyone who
> >>believes that races exist is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> >no, no, little bobnazi - politics are politics and racism is racism they
> >are two totally distinct categories.  The Constitutional Militias support
> >equal rights under the Constitution for *all* Americans.  We also
> >encourage our membership to vote and remain active in their communities.
> >What do you little nazi types do besides sit around and harangue each
> >other, anyway?
> 
> Bob Whitaker likes to tell antisemitic jokes on alt.tasteless.jokes and
> then scream "censorship" if someone mentions them in another newsgroup.
> Bob Whitaker calls everyone who disagrees with him a "PC clone" and more.
> One of his favourite whines on alt.politics.white-power has been this
> nonsense about people calling him "A Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million
> Jews".  He just goes on and on and on repeating this mantra, the PC clone
> bit, etc. ad nauseum.  Now that you've called him a nazi, Arlin, you're
> never gonna hear the end of it.


    Not that consistency could possibly concern a clone, but you just
told Arkin he called me a Nazi, and you keep saying your folks NEVER
said Nazi.  



> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  1 12:25:43 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Lester John Ness wrote:
> 
>         I think that the national parties have reached the state that they
> have long had in Cincinnati.  Democrats are the sorts of people
> Republicans traditionally were most places, while Republicans are
> authoritarian fanatics -- nazis, fascists, what have you.
> 
> --
> Lester Ness     lness@indiana.edu


     Anyone who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six
Million Jews, right?
     Boy, I am definitely a Politically Correct Intellectual now!


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Ron Kephart wrote:
> >>
> >> frank@clark.net () wrote:
> >>
> >> > Now if you'll just tell me what you mean by "meaningful," you'll have
> >> > answered the original question, "What are the race deniers denying?"
> >>
> >> By "biologically meaningful" I meant genetically determined traits
> >> which cluster together within a given population and which do not
> >> occur in other populations.  Let's say that all humans with very light-brown
> >> skin, blue eyes, and straight blonde hair also had type O blood, and
> >> they all happened to live on Iceland.  Let's say further that they
> >> had lived there for maybe 10,000 years with no gene flow between them
> >> and any other human population.  Maybe you could make a good case for
> >> this being a "race"; what do the real biologists think?
> >
> >
> >      Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> 
> Actually Bob, if you'd have put your brain into gear before typing, you
> would have noticed that he was actually asking a question.
> 
> >      Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> >are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> >thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> 
> Huh. And the evidence for this assertion is?
> 
> Lets see, Christopher Brand author of "The g factor" says races are
> innately different, as does Richard Lynn, they both live in Europe - so
> have they been locked up for 5 years and fined 60,000 dollars (or maybe
> Ecu's would be more appropriate for the non-US centric readers of this
> newsgroup!).
> 
> [snipped]
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


   And at the same time, all the authorities agree with you, but now
they don't, right?
   Good old good boy Doublethink!


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AgamemnoN wrote:
> 
> dswan@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Daniel Swan) wrote:
> 
> >Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
> >: All of them, of course. It was part of a Joosh Plot to
> >: stop the Secret Nazi UFO Scientists That Kindly Unkie Ernst
> >: Would Someday Meet from designing thier Secret Nazi UFO
> >: Weapon Hidden To This Day In Anarctica By Hitler Who By The
> 
> >Mr. McVay, have you no better weapon in your arsenal than
> >mockful rhetoric?
> 
> No, he thinks the magic letters 'OBC' will fill us with awe. How can
> we compete against such a highly respected and honoured man?!?
> 
> Whats that stand for - Order of the British Crown???  Isn't  this the
> same Crown that sent convicts to Australia for stealing loaves of
> bread and then killed heaps of Aborigines??? Yup - sure is.
> 
> If Kenny was around 50 years ago, he'd no doubt be parading his Iron
> Cross (if he had the guts to earn one!!)
> 
> He wears the badge of another country with pride, and yet he has the
> gall to sneer at patriots.
> 
> >.............................................................................
> >   "And if you want to Swan, one to one...  kid, we don't need a pond."
> >                             -Prefab Sprout
> 
> >       Dan Swan at U of Calgary.       http://www.ucalgary.ca/~dswan
> >               Standard Disclaimers Apply, Finger for PGP.
> >.............................................................................
> >


    When people put PhD or OBC or "Colonel" on the net, they are more to
be pitied htan censured.  They can't argue their case, so they put up
their credentials.
    Don't knock it, it's all the poor bastard's got.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  1 18:21:24 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you need to take a holiday, Ken.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


   Finsten, please, please, just once, use another line.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  1 18:23:10 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:22:48 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> >> :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> >> : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> >> : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> >>
> >> May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> >> cases?
> >>
> >> :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> >> : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> >> : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> >>
> >> :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> >> : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> >> : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> >> : know it.
> >>
> >> Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> >> provide it.
> >>
> >> :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> >> : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> >> :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> >> : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> >> : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> >>
> >> Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> >>
> >> :       And a bully.
> >>
> >> In what way?
> >
> >
> >    In other words, "DUHH!"
> 
> In other words, Bob cannot provide the evidence for his assertions. Not
> that anyone is expected to be surprised at such a situation.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  1 18:23:11 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:20:01 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



jrs wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <3276A857.6C90@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Paul Gallagher wrote:
> >>
> >> > [...deletia...]
> >>
> >> > > The tendency in modern systematics is to reject the recognition of
> >> > > subspecies altogether for all species, because the definition of
> >> > > subspecies is arbitrary and "subspecies," however they are defined,
> >> > > have only a transitory existence as separate entities.
> >> >
> >> >    You know damned well that anybody who disagrees with that loses his
> >> > job.
> >>
> >> I challenge Whitaker to provide a single documented instance of anyone who
> >> lost his job specifically because he publicly disagreed with Mr.
> >> Gallagher's statement concerning subspecies.
> >>
> >> JGB
> >>
> >> =====================================================================
> >> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> >>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'
> 
> >       If anybody out there doesn't know you that in Europe you get imprisoned
> >for disagreeing with racial orthodoxy, please raise your hands.
> >       If anybody out there doesn't know you get fired at American
> >universities for challenging racial orthodoxy, raist your hands.
> >       Brown, I think you're alone.
> 
> Bobby. We wondered if, during your recent absence from apwp, if you
> had gone into therapy. We see that is not the case.
> 
> Still harboring those old paranoia, eh, Bobby?
> 
> One thing. You forgot the line about people accusing you of being a
> "nazi who wants to kill six million jews."  Oh, can't forget the good
> 'ol "clone" paranoia either, can we?  This is really out of character
> for you, Bobby. Of course, we are sure it was just a minor oversight
> on your part.
> 
> Looking forward to your entertaining posts,
> 
> as always,
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> jrs


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> >> :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> >> : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> >> : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> >>
> >> May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> >> cases?
> >>
> >> :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> >> : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> >> : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> >>
> >> :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> >> : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> >> : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> >> : know it.
> >>
> >> Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> >> provide it.
> >>
> >> :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> >> : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> >> :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> >> : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> >> : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> >>
> >> Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> >>
> >> :       And a bully.
> >>
> >> In what way?
> >
> >
> >    In other words, "DUHH!"
> 
> In other words, Bob cannot provide the evidence for his assertions. Not
> that anyone is expected to be surprised at such a situation.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



jrs wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <3276A857.6C90@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Paul Gallagher wrote:
> >>
> >> > [...deletia...]
> >>
> >> > > The tendency in modern systematics is to reject the recognition of
> >> > > subspecies altogether for all species, because the definition of
> >> > > subspecies is arbitrary and "subspecies," however they are defined,
> >> > > have only a transitory existence as separate entities.
> >> >
> >> >    You know damned well that anybody who disagrees with that loses his
> >> > job.
> >>
> >> I challenge Whitaker to provide a single documented instance of anyone who
> >> lost his job specifically because he publicly disagreed with Mr.
> >> Gallagher's statement concerning subspecies.
> >>
> >> JGB
> >>
> >> =====================================================================
> >> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> >>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'
> 
> >       If anybody out there doesn't know you that in Europe you get imprisoned
> >for disagreeing with racial orthodoxy, please raise your hands.
> >       If anybody out there doesn't know you get fired at American
> >universities for challenging racial orthodoxy, raist your hands.
> >       Brown, I think you're alone.
> 
> Bobby. We wondered if, during your recent absence from apwp, if you
> had gone into therapy. We see that is not the case.
> 
> Still harboring those old paranoia, eh, Bobby?
> 
> One thing. You forgot the line about people accusing you of being a
> "nazi who wants to kill six million jews."  Oh, can't forget the good
> 'ol "clone" paranoia either, can we?  This is really out of character
> for you, Bobby. Of course, we are sure it was just a minor oversight
> on your part.
> 
> Looking forward to your entertaining posts,
> 
> as always,
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> jrs


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 10:20:06 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:21:56 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Thomas Yu wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <555rct$g6q@news.sdd.hp.com>,
> >> Gerold Firl  wrote:
> >> >In article <553ake$2nl@pelican.unf.edu>, Ron Kephart
> > writes:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >If you choose to willfully deny the existance of race in humans, then
> >> >you will compromise your ability to understand how we got to be where
> >> >we are. Of course, the political benefits of such denial may make it
> >> >worth your while; you'll have to be the judge of that.
> >>
> >> Many race deniers claim that race can not be classified do
> >> to it's anologue distribution. Which means the NAZI racialist
> >> must agree on an absolute definition of what being white is.
> >>
> >> The best and the most solid definition of a white person is
> >> some one who can not tan. No matter how long they lay out in the
> >> sun, they just turn red, and their skins peal off and they become
> >> white again. Thus this is where the term "red neck" came from.
> >>
> >> With this definition, we have an absolute dividing line between
> >> where one race ends, and another race begins.
> >> If you can NOT tan what so ever, then you are part of the white
> >> race.
> >> If you can tan, then you are not part of the white race.
> >> You are most likely a "Mongolian rape trash", or
> >> an "Arabic rape trash".
> >>
> >> Are all you Aryans willing to agree on this definition?
> >> If not, you are trying to blurr the racial lines again,
> >> which is just the amo that the race denyiers need to claim that
> >> race doesn't exist.
> >
> >
> >      Yu is being a good racist.  After all, no one is demanding
> >immigration into Asia or racial balance there.
> 
> So?
> 
> >  He and his ilk are
> >demanding massive immigration and racial balance only into white
> >majority countries: each and every white majority country, no
> >exceptions, and nothing but white majority countries.
> 
> Hmmm, come on Bob, let's see the evidence that he has demanded
> immigration into each and every white majority country, and nothing but
> white majority countries.
> 
> >  What he calls
> >white racism means that there will still be white majority countries in
> >the future.
> >       In Yu's ideal world, Asia will  be Asian, Africa black, and all white
> >majority countries brown.
> 
> Where has he said that, come on Bob, one thing some of us will demand is
> that you provide evidence to back up your assertions.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 10:20:08 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:24:34 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> : >
> : > Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : >
> : > :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> : > :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> : > : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> : > : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> : >
> : > May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> : > cases?
> : >
> : > :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> : > : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> : > : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> : >
> : > Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> : >
> : > :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> : > : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> : > : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> : > : know it.
> : >
> : > Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> : > provide it.
> : >
> : > :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> : > : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> : > :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> : > : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> : > : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> : >
> : > Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> : >
> : > :       And a bully.
> : >
> : > In what way?
> 
> :     In other words, "DUHH!"
> 
> Or, in other words, Whitaker is a liar. Thanks for admitting it.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 10:22:31 PST 1996
Article: 48225 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:21:56 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Thomas Yu wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <555rct$g6q@news.sdd.hp.com>,
> >> Gerold Firl  wrote:
> >> >In article <553ake$2nl@pelican.unf.edu>, Ron Kephart
> > writes:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >If you choose to willfully deny the existance of race in humans, then
> >> >you will compromise your ability to understand how we got to be where
> >> >we are. Of course, the political benefits of such denial may make it
> >> >worth your while; you'll have to be the judge of that.
> >>
> >> Many race deniers claim that race can not be classified do
> >> to it's anologue distribution. Which means the NAZI racialist
> >> must agree on an absolute definition of what being white is.
> >>
> >> The best and the most solid definition of a white person is
> >> some one who can not tan. No matter how long they lay out in the
> >> sun, they just turn red, and their skins peal off and they become
> >> white again. Thus this is where the term "red neck" came from.
> >>
> >> With this definition, we have an absolute dividing line between
> >> where one race ends, and another race begins.
> >> If you can NOT tan what so ever, then you are part of the white
> >> race.
> >> If you can tan, then you are not part of the white race.
> >> You are most likely a "Mongolian rape trash", or
> >> an "Arabic rape trash".
> >>
> >> Are all you Aryans willing to agree on this definition?
> >> If not, you are trying to blurr the racial lines again,
> >> which is just the amo that the race denyiers need to claim that
> >> race doesn't exist.
> >
> >
> >      Yu is being a good racist.  After all, no one is demanding
> >immigration into Asia or racial balance there.
> 
> So?
> 
> >  He and his ilk are
> >demanding massive immigration and racial balance only into white
> >majority countries: each and every white majority country, no
> >exceptions, and nothing but white majority countries.
> 
> Hmmm, come on Bob, let's see the evidence that he has demanded
> immigration into each and every white majority country, and nothing but
> white majority countries.
> 
> >  What he calls
> >white racism means that there will still be white majority countries in
> >the future.
> >       In Yu's ideal world, Asia will  be Asian, Africa black, and all white
> >majority countries brown.
> 
> Where has he said that, come on Bob, one thing some of us will demand is
> that you provide evidence to back up your assertions.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 10:22:32 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:24:34 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> : >
> : > Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : >
> : > :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> : > :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> : > : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> : > : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> : >
> : > May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> : > cases?
> : >
> : > :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> : > : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> : > : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> : >
> : > Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> : >
> : > :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> : > : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> : > : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> : > : know it.
> : >
> : > Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> : > provide it.
> : >
> : > :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> : > : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> : > :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> : > : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> : > : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> : >
> : > Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> : >
> : > :       And a bully.
> : >
> : > In what way?
> 
> :     In other words, "DUHH!"
> 
> Or, in other words, Whitaker is a liar. Thanks for admitting it.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 10:22:33 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Diversity  does NOT means defeat of any race
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 11:42:55 -0500
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) wrote:
> : In article <3278C0EB.F76@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> : > That is the standard PC line, of course.
> 
> :   Whitaker, please, please, just once, use another line.
> 
>     While you're at it, please, please don't make things up.
> 
> : > But while you claim you don't notice race, it is always every white
> : > majority country you want immigrated and miscegenated, and ONLY
> : > white majority countries.
> 
> :   Whitaker, please, please, just once, use another line.


    Answer what I say and I won't repeat it.  You clones do everything
but deal with the points I keep repeating.

 
>     While you're at it, please, please don't make things up.
> 
> : >     Every single time you justify this, all the words boil down to
> : > two statements: 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white
> : > race deserves it.
> 
> :   Whitaker, please, please, just once, use another line.


    Oncew again, try to answer it.  You keep telling me how I amn
offending you and Mommy Professor by bringing these things up and
demanding more information, but it is all a method of avoiding dealing
with the basic point.

 
>     While you're at it, please, please don't make things up.
> 
> : >     Usually the two statements are made together, in good old Good
> : > Boy Doublethink.
> 
> :   Whitaker, please, please, just once, use another line.


      Repeating what I said does not constitute anything but evasion.

 
>     While you're at it, please, please don't make things up.
> 
>         Phil "got it? good" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 10:23:19 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.rights.human,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.activism,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: 14 YEAR OLD GA HONOR STUDENT ARRESTED AT MCDONALD'S
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Philip Kremer wrote:
> 
> In article <32783E5D.C5F@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >    And in the real world, only white majority countries are being argument, which 
> >immigrated and integratd out of existence.
> 
> Hmmm...  can you give us an example?
> 
> Meanwhile, I will point out some non-white majority CONTINENTS that were
> immigrated almost (not quite totally) out of existence:  Australia, most
> of North America, ...


       The last paragraph is part of your standard Politically Correct
reply to the obvious fact that you push immigration and integration for
all white majority countries, and only for white majority countries,
never Asia or Africa.
        Your routine reply to this is 1) there is no such thing as a
white race and 2) the white race deserves it, which is the point you
made above.
	You forgot to add the statement that the race which deserves it does
not exist, but we've all heard this crap hundreds of times, so you don't
need to.
	Your aim is a world where the are blacks in Africa, Asians in Asia, and
uniform brown in all white-majority countries.   That is the destination
to which your every argument leads.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 12:27:14 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:22:48 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> >>
> >> :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> >> :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> >> : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> >> : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> >>
> >> May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> >> cases?
> >>
> >> :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> >> : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> >> : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> >>
> >> :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> >> : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> >> : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> >> : know it.
> >>
> >> Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> >> provide it.
> >>
> >> :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> >> : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> >> :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> >> : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> >> : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> >>
> >> Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> >>
> >> :       And a bully.
> >>
> >> In what way?
> >
> >
> >    In other words, "DUHH!"
> 
> In other words, Bob cannot provide the evidence for his assertions. Not
> that anyone is expected to be surprised at such a situation.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 12:27:15 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:20:01 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



jrs wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <3276A857.6C90@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Paul Gallagher wrote:
> >>
> >> > [...deletia...]
> >>
> >> > > The tendency in modern systematics is to reject the recognition of
> >> > > subspecies altogether for all species, because the definition of
> >> > > subspecies is arbitrary and "subspecies," however they are defined,
> >> > > have only a transitory existence as separate entities.
> >> >
> >> >    You know damned well that anybody who disagrees with that loses his
> >> > job.
> >>
> >> I challenge Whitaker to provide a single documented instance of anyone who
> >> lost his job specifically because he publicly disagreed with Mr.
> >> Gallagher's statement concerning subspecies.
> >>
> >> JGB
> >>
> >> =====================================================================
> >> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
> >>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'
> 
> >       If anybody out there doesn't know you that in Europe you get imprisoned
> >for disagreeing with racial orthodoxy, please raise your hands.
> >       If anybody out there doesn't know you get fired at American
> >universities for challenging racial orthodoxy, raist your hands.
> >       Brown, I think you're alone.
> 
> Bobby. We wondered if, during your recent absence from apwp, if you
> had gone into therapy. We see that is not the case.
> 
> Still harboring those old paranoia, eh, Bobby?
> 
> One thing. You forgot the line about people accusing you of being a
> "nazi who wants to kill six million jews."  Oh, can't forget the good
> 'ol "clone" paranoia either, can we?  This is really out of character
> for you, Bobby. Of course, we are sure it was just a minor oversight
> on your part.
> 
> Looking forward to your entertaining posts,
> 
> as always,
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> jrs


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 12:27:17 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 16:21:56 -0500
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Thomas Yu wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <555rct$g6q@news.sdd.hp.com>,
> >> Gerold Firl  wrote:
> >> >In article <553ake$2nl@pelican.unf.edu>, Ron Kephart
> > writes:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >If you choose to willfully deny the existance of race in humans, then
> >> >you will compromise your ability to understand how we got to be where
> >> >we are. Of course, the political benefits of such denial may make it
> >> >worth your while; you'll have to be the judge of that.
> >>
> >> Many race deniers claim that race can not be classified do
> >> to it's anologue distribution. Which means the NAZI racialist
> >> must agree on an absolute definition of what being white is.
> >>
> >> The best and the most solid definition of a white person is
> >> some one who can not tan. No matter how long they lay out in the
> >> sun, they just turn red, and their skins peal off and they become
> >> white again. Thus this is where the term "red neck" came from.
> >>
> >> With this definition, we have an absolute dividing line between
> >> where one race ends, and another race begins.
> >> If you can NOT tan what so ever, then you are part of the white
> >> race.
> >> If you can tan, then you are not part of the white race.
> >> You are most likely a "Mongolian rape trash", or
> >> an "Arabic rape trash".
> >>
> >> Are all you Aryans willing to agree on this definition?
> >> If not, you are trying to blurr the racial lines again,
> >> which is just the amo that the race denyiers need to claim that
> >> race doesn't exist.
> >
> >
> >      Yu is being a good racist.  After all, no one is demanding
> >immigration into Asia or racial balance there.
> 
> So?
> 
> >  He and his ilk are
> >demanding massive immigration and racial balance only into white
> >majority countries: each and every white majority country, no
> >exceptions, and nothing but white majority countries.
> 
> Hmmm, come on Bob, let's see the evidence that he has demanded
> immigration into each and every white majority country, and nothing but
> white majority countries.
> 
> >  What he calls
> >white racism means that there will still be white majority countries in
> >the future.
> >       In Yu's ideal world, Asia will  be Asian, Africa black, and all white
> >majority countries brown.
> 
> Where has he said that, come on Bob, one thing some of us will demand is
> that you provide evidence to back up your assertions.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
just repeat mine.
	You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you 
can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
majority countries.
	What I am saying is know to all.  Kasiecki-Brown has announced that
this is no argument, but the fact is that I grant you full custody of
anybody who doesnít know these things.
	Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
moron, and youíre welcome to them.   You are also more than welcome to
the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
	You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.  The left-wing
noise is always loud and well-coordinated, but in real politics, they
get no following. 
	There are some of you who  really do believe this Politically Correct
crap, but you are few and you are hopeless.
	Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
out here in reality.
	



Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> : >
> : > Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : >
> : > :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> : > :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> : > : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> : > : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> : >
> : > May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> : > cases?
> : >
> : > :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> : > : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> : > : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> : >
> : > Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> : >
> : > :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> : > : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> : > : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> : > : know it.
> : >
> : > Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> : > provide it.
> : >
> : > :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> : > : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> : > :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> : > : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> : > : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> : >
> : > Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> : >
> : > :       And a bully.
> : >
> : > In what way?
> 
> :     In other words, "DUHH!"
> 
> Or, in other words, Whitaker is a liar. Thanks for admitting it.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov  2 14:26:04 PST 1996
Article: 78285 of alt.revisionism
From: Bob Whitaker 
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scooter@taranaki.ac.nz wrote:
> 
> Paul Frederick Schnellbecher  wrote:
> 
> >: What a joke!
> 
> >Seems to me the joke's on you.  What do ordinary "white" people think of
> >you when you go round in your brown shirt or your shaved head.  I bet
> >they regard you with the same contempt with which you regard blacks and
> >others.
> 
> I don't see how you will be able to tell if Bubba has a shaven head or a
> brown shirt, he will be the one wearing the white, (grey actually )sheet
> with spoo and skid marks because he is too cowardly to show his face.
> 
> I could never work out how tough the kkk were supposed to be, 



   Actually, the one test of this I know was when some of you heroic
lefties challenged the Klan to come out and fight some years back in
North Carolina.  It was a gunfight, and you got shot to pieces, and
nobody in the Klan even got nicked.
   This next bit about raping little black girls sounds like something
some lefty kook out there in New Zealand would make up for himself.
   I'm not pro-Klan, but I am pretty sick of listening to pathetic
little leftists like you pound their little chests and lie without
anybody saying anything.


 
I mean they
> were too gutless to show their faces and their practice of them raping
> little black girls of  3 or 4 seemed to be at variance with their views on
> racial pollution
> >: They should all stay in their areas of the world. Of
> >: course, the white race being technically, socially, and genetically
> >: superior have the right to occupy any part of the world chosen.
> 
> >More claims without proof.  Your little white relatives didn't stay in
> >their own part of the world, either.  They colonised all the other
> >continents.  Why didn't they take your advice and stay home?
> 
> Bubbas home used to have wheels on it but he sold the tyres for a few pints
> of EverClear.
> 
> Scooter


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :     In dealing with you brain-dead Politically Correct types, I am
> : repetitious because you always say the same three or four things in
> : different words.  I know it's tiresome, because you  are so very
> : tiresome.
> 
> Ah.  I see.  So you act like a brain-dead idiot and refuse to make
> any rational arguments whatsoever because... well, because THEY DID
> IT FIRST!  I get it.  Real smart, Bob.
> 
> :      The problem is that Finsten, like the rest of you, thinks you're
> : being original with the "take a holiday" or "you're not taking your
> : medicine", etc., though each of you says this to everybody on the other
> : side over, and over, and over and over.
> 
> No, I've never said that to you, Bob.  I don't think you're insane--
> I just think you're a tiresome old crank.
> 
> :     You keep repeating the same old crap everybody reading this has
> : heard hundreds of times, usually at public expense, and you think you're
> : being novel or witty or whatever Mommy Professor told you you were
> : being.
> 
> Glad you were able to get the "Mommy Professor" bit in there, Bob.
> 
> :     You can't really vary your routine because you don't know anything
> : else, and Mommy Professor told you not to think of anything else, but
> : you could  at least not repeat waht another clone just said to someone
> : else.  Just a little variation, please.
> :     I would love to vary what I say, but you human tape recorders never
> : give me any encouragement.
> 
> Bob, in all the time you've been posting your drech to alt.revisionism,
> I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU MAKE AN ARGUMENT.  The closest you ever come is
> when you start spewing that same old tired line about how we're all
> encouraging the genocide of the white race by not forcing Japan to let
> in white people; you never present any evidence for it at all, though,
> and anybody who tries to ask for evidence or debate with you in any
> way is immediately greeted by silly cries of "Mommy Professor, Politically
> Correct Clone," and anybody who denies taking the strawman positions
> you posit is informed that you know what they're really thinking, since
> you've been dealing with them for decades and decades.  You don't debate,
> Bob--you just assert, and then you greet any argument to your assertions
> with insults.  It makes you look like a fool, Bob.
> 
> Bill


    Actually, when Brown-Kasiecki or any of you other clones make the
same old three or four statements again, and then demand that I go prove
up is up and down is down, I leave it at that.
    I am perfectly willing for any reader who thinks you are saying
something to be absolutely convinced by you.  When you demand proof that
Asians want ot move to America, and demand that that proof be inthe form
of some kind of panAsian public opinion poll, you are perfectly
serious,a nd I think it's a yuck.
   To take today's output, if Brown-Kasiecki wants me to name people who
are in prison under Austrian Hate Laws, I say he can go screw hiimself. 
Nobody takes that sort of demand seriously except you other PC freaks. 
    Anyone who does not think it's a yuck is beyond help anyway.
    Likewise, people out here in reality are fully aware of what happens
to the academic career of anyone seeking tenure while saying anything
you consider heretical on race.   You say stating that makes me look
foolish to your crowd.  I think you look like an idiot to anyone
residing out here in reality.  I'm perfectly willing to leave it at
that.
     Anyone who has lived in reality clearly sees that you only demand
the integration of white people, and immigration into white majority
countries, and only into white majority countries.  Your reply is to
deny it, which is bullshit.  Again, I am perfectly willing to give you
everybody who hasn't noticed this, and welcome to them.
      Your answer to this simple statement of fact comes in three parts:
1) you deny it, 2) you say the white race does not exist and so it's OK,
and 3) you say the white race deserves it.  If I ned to point out to
someone that these are mutually exclusive statements, they are the kind
of people you are more than welcome to.
   The biggest mistake people make with you and your Mommy Professors is
taking you seriously, acting as if, because of the degrees your
bureaucracy holds, you are saying something that needs be taken
seriously.
   Actually, like any other primitive field, social science is pushing
absolute crap, jsut as primitive medicine did in the case of bleeding
and so forth.  But one cannot deal with this crap by treating as if
PhD's make simple nonsense somehow smart.   Bleding had the full support
of medical academia for a long, long time.  And the only answer was that
it didn't work, it was silly.  Their MD's were effective in stopping
this crap from being called what it was, just as your academic
bureaucracy's PhD's make you take pure crap seriously now.
     In the sixteenth century, Louis XIV's physician was denouncing the
bacteriologica theory of that disease, which was in fact brought up, by
saying that no Authority approved of it.  He was perfectly correct.
     Primitive fields routinely make this mistake, but social scientists
would never learn anything this obvious from history.
      The bottom line is that your Political Correctness is silly, and
the only way to deal with it is to call it that.


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Thomas Yu wrote:
> 
> In article <555rct$g6q@news.sdd.hp.com>,
> Gerold Firl  wrote:
> >In article <553ake$2nl@pelican.unf.edu>, Ron Kephart  writes:
> >
> >
> >If you choose to willfully deny the existance of race in humans, then
> >you will compromise your ability to understand how we got to be where
> >we are. Of course, the political benefits of such denial may make it
> >worth your while; you'll have to be the judge of that.
> 
> Many race deniers claim that race can not be classified do
> to it's anologue distribution. Which means the NAZI racialist
> must agree on an absolute definition of what being white is.
> 
> The best and the most solid definition of a white person is
> some one who can not tan. No matter how long they lay out in the
> sun, they just turn red, and their skins peal off and they become
> white again. Thus this is where the term "red neck" came from.
> 
> With this definition, we have an absolute dividing line between
> where one race ends, and another race begins.
> If you can NOT tan what so ever, then you are part of the white
> race.
> If you can tan, then you are not part of the white race.
> You are most likely a "Mongolian rape trash", or
> an "Arabic rape trash".
> 
> Are all you Aryans willing to agree on this definition?
> If not, you are trying to blurr the racial lines again,
> which is just the amo that the race denyiers need to claim that
> race doesn't exist.


      Yu is being a good racist.  After all, no one is demanding
immigration into Asia or racial balance there.  He and his ilk are
demanding massive immigration and racial balance only into white
majority countries: each and every white majority country, no
exceptions, and nothing but white majority countries.  What he calls
white racism means that there will still be white majority countries in
the future.
	In Yu's ideal world, Asia will  be Asian, Africa black, and all white
majority countries brown.  You don't have to sghoot anybody to be an
imperialist, especially an Asiatic racial imperialist.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> 
> May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> cases?
> 
> :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> 
> Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> 
> :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> : know it.
> 
> Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> provide it.
> 
> :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> 
> Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> 
> :       And a bully.
> 
> In what way?
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


    In other words, "DUHH!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 06:14:17 PST 1996
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Don't sweat Kasiecki or Brown, whichever this is.  Mommy Professor
told him there's no such thing as a white race.  He also prpobably
doesn't believe there are Democratic or Republcian Parties or
Argentina.  He wouldn't believe in them if Mommy Professor told him not
to.   


Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <01bbc153$42177320$aa96b1cd@fbrock>,
> Aryan (aryan@whitepower.com) wrote:
> :      What in the hell is going on with all of this politically correct
> : bull shit when it comes to racism?
> 
>     Wrong question.  Should be "What in the hell is going on with all of
> this racist bullshit?"
> 
> : Every white person has the right to be racist and detest what is
> : happening to the western world which was created by the white race.
> 
>     Everyone has the right to be ignorant, yes... and let me remind you-
> the "White race" is just a figment of your imagination.  If you said it
> was created by people of predominately European descent, or by people
> who had white skin, then that's better- but you didn't.
> 
> : We have the right to stick up for white rights...the world has too
> : many uncivilized colored savages that threaten all that the white race
> : has achieved.
> 
>     There are also too many uncivilized "uncolored" savages... as in, on
> this newsgroup, including the poster I'm responding to.
> 
> : They over breed....far beyond the capacity of their homeland to offer
> : a reasonable quality of life....so they infest other areas of the
> : world that the white race has made prosperous.
> 
>     WTFE.
> 
> : First they come in form of cheap labor, but once they get their foot
> : in the door.........  Germany, the most racist country in history is
> : now infested with the dark plague from Turkey.
> 
>     Bullshit.  The United States is the most racist country in the
> world.  The US may be the world's greatest nation, but it is tops in
> many negative areas as well...
> 
> : Britain is the Middle East of Northern Europe, and France an extension
> : of North Africa.  The U.S. is fast becoming the swamp juice of the
> : world.... what a foul taste!
> 
>     Can't be nearly as bad as the one your post is leaving...
> 
> : It seemed as though the problem was solved for us, that is until the
> : Negroes were brought in.  They should all have been sent back to
> : Africa....as a rare, few, wise politicians suggested.
> 
>     Nah... the wise idea would be to send ignorant people like you back
> to the unknown solar system you came from.  Get with the program, man!!
> 
> : But the white race is inherently self destructive because of the
> : bleeding white liberals that exist within our race, like some kind of
> : virus.
> 
>     *LAUGH*
> 
> : Look at the problems in southern California....it used to such a nice
> : place....now a putrid Taco Town, infested with greasy salsa slurping
> : sister fucking spics.
> 
>     So I guess that would make you an "inbred cracker".  Is that right?
>     I don't use such terms, because I despise the use of such hateful
> words, but frankly, that was foul.  And others can throw words back at
> you.  The ones I gave are an example; I'm not calling you either,
> because I'm too respectful to do that, but think about what it would be
> like to called hurtful names.
> 
> : These bleeding heart arm chair sick white liberals should move to East
> : L.A.  Just see how their twisted views of reality will change, in fact
> : it would most likely drive them to seek KKK memberships.
> 
>     My home city sounds a little like the area you describe.  I've lived
> here for 20 years, and I'm not about to seek a KKK membership.  Not on
> your life!!!!
> 
> : In 500 years from now there will be no such thing as the white race.
> 
>     Sorry to burst your proverbial bubble, but there already is no such
> thing as the "White race".  The "White race" is merely an artificial
> construct.  Just like there is no "Black race", or "Asian race", or what
> have you.
> 
> : We will be diluted out of existence.... become some kind of light
> : colored Spick Chink Nigger thing with black hair and slitty eyes.
> 
>     Not necessarily.  Genetics ain't that simple!!!
> 
> :      This political crap about speaking out....How many times have you
> : or your friends made private racist remarks, or felt that strange
> : feeling when in the company of Negroes, East Indians, Asians, etc.
> 
>     What "strange feeling"?  I'm frequently around them, but I never get
> any "strange feelings" unless something puzzles me.
> 
> : How many white people call Negroes Niggers?
> 
>     I don't, and my friends don't, either.
> 
> : It is only natural.
> 
>     No, it's not.
> 
> : Negroes are the lowest form of human life, they simply can not adjust
> : to modern society.
> 
>     Pot, kettle, black... big time
> 
> : Over 50% of all American Negroes have been through the penal system.
> : Even O.J. conducts typical niggardly acts.
> 
>     What's your point?  What are "typical niggardly acts"?
> 
> : What a joke!  They should all stay in their areas of the world.
> 
>     You don't like it, why don't *you* go to your area of the world, and
> relieve us of your whining?
> 
> : Of course, the white race being technically, socially, and genetically
> : superior have the right to occupy any part of the world chosen.
> 
>     Bullshit.
> 
> : If it wasn't for the white race all dark people would still be living
> : in mud huts and Asians in paper/bamboo houses to this day.  They have
> : only advanced because of the charity from the white race or stealing
> : technology created by the white race.
> 
>     Bullshit.  Do you call enslaving them "charity"?  Do you call subtle
> slavery for over 100 years after slavery was abolished, "charity"?  Do
> you call treating them as second-class citizens just because of the
> color of their skin, "charity"?  Do you call senseless killings of
> Blacks, and acquitting the guilty, "charity"?  Gimme a fuckin break.
> 
> : The Asians, apart from a few simple inventions, were nothing but
> : savage peasants while Europe became of the Industrial Age.
> 
>     I notice you're really into using the word "savage".  Wonder if the
> poster has any experience as one....
> 
> : The Negroes were like creatures at the beginning of 2001 A Space
> : Odyssey, and North American Indians were still cutting apart dead
> : animals with stone knives as did their ancestors 30,000 years ago.
> 
>     Oh yeah, the same Indians that Whites came and killed off, that's
> right...
> 
> :      There is a province in Canada called Newfoundland.  Years ago the
> : government decided to exterminate the Native Indian savages and even
> : paid a bounty on every one of the creatures shot. The province is far
> : better off with regards to its native problem because of that wise
> : decision made so many years ago.
> 
>     How so?  What did that have to do with the people being Native Indian?
> 
> : All of those nice Caribbean countries should belong to the U.S. and
> : populated by white people, not misfit run away slave savages.
> 
>     "Misfits"?  Pot, kettle, black...
> 
> :      It is time these sick politicians wake up and see what is happening.
> 
>     You must be one of those sick politicians...
> 
> : These savages come here and make no attempt to assimilate to our way
> : of life.
> 
>     EXCUSE ME, who said they *HAVE* to assimilate into our way of life?
> Besides, a good many actually do just that.
> 
> : They do not populate new areas, but crowd our already overpopulated
> : cities.  They bring their language, behavior, smelly cooking, crime,
> : and perverted religions with them.
> 
>     Excuse me, but who are you to judge religions???  Same with cooking?
> Maybe they think *your* cooking is smelly.  And don't even try the crime
> route, 'cause you'll only get roasted.
> 
> : They infest our neighborhoods, speak their chatter put up signs in
> : their own barbed wire printing and end up teaching in public schools
> : in their twisted tongue.
> 
>     WTFE.
> 
> : and crossbreed with previously pure white women.
> 
>     Sorry to burst your bubble again, but those "pure" White women
> probably were not "pure" before that.  And if you're gonna talk this
> shit about interracial couples, maybe you can say something about the
> many White men who are with Asian women?  How about the growing number
> of White men with Black women?  What do you say about those, hotshot??
> 
> : The various Negro politicians elected in the U.S. are sort of taking
> : it easy right now, but as their numbers grow with other savage races,
> : the Spicks and Asians,  they will all then stick it to Whitey.
> 
>     Don't bet on that.
> 
> :      The Arab Moslem filth is already beginning to make it's mark on US
> : soil.  Beware, these are the most twisted, backward, savage, violent
> : creatures on the face of this Earth.
> 
>     First you say this about Blacks, now about Arab Moslems; make up
> your fucked-up mind already!!!
> 
> : These Sand Niggers have mentalities on par with what was prevalent in
> : the Middle ages, they are totally backward in their thinking and have
> : absolutely no control over their insane bursts of hatred for one
> : another.
> 
>     Another case of the pot calling the kettle black...
> 
> : It makes no difference to them....they all think they will go meet
> : Allah.  What a useless religion, praying 5 times a day....these
> : savages are insane!  Mohammed was a butt fucking fag anyway.
> 
>     You sick bastard!!  Who are you to make such a judgement??  Well, at
> least your bigotry is out in the open, rather than closeted...
> 
> :      When will the white race finally realize what is happening,
> 
>     I don't know; many don't realize how racism is tearing this country
> apart, as well as many other issues.
> 
> : pull their thumbs out and do something about it??????????  We must....
> : otherwise we will all end up looking like some kind of Slitty Eyed
> : Bumble Bee dog boy things....Spic Niggers that is!
> 
>     Bullshit.
> 
>         Phil "can't believe I responded to this shit... I definitely
> have too much time on my hands" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 06:30:51 PST 1996
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> 
> May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> cases?
> 
> :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> 
> Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> 
> :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> : know it.
> 
> Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> provide it.
> 
> :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> 
> Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> 
> :       And a bully.
> 
> In what way?
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


    In other words, "DUHH!"


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :       Good God, man, don't be such an intellectual slave!
> :       Under French and other European law, if a person merely says races
> : are really different, they face five years in prison and a sixty
> : thousand dollar fine. This is enforced.
> 
> May we have a citation of the relevant law(s)? Citations of relevant
> cases?
> 
> :       The president of the American physical anthropologists'
> : association, Carleton S. Coon, was forced to resign way back in 1962 for
> : denying your racial orthodoxy.
> 
> Perhaps you should provide more detail.
> 
> :       You and I both know that anyone who denies your politically correct
> : orthodoxy on campus loses his job.  I've watched it happen.  Your
> : so-called real bilogists toe the line or are fired, and you damned well
> : know it.
> 
> Again, some evidence would be helpful. Would you be so kind as to
> provide it.
> 
> :       So like a good little authoritarian, you quote those who are under
> : your intellectual tyranny as authority.
> :       Every recognized Soviet university expert on Marxism in 1980 was a
> : Marxist.  Every prfessor who keeps his job agrees with you.  That doen't
> : make you right, it just makes you the establishment's good boy.
> 
> Analogy is not truth. Try again.
> 
> :       And a bully.
> 
> In what way?
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


    In other words, "DUHH!"


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Mr. Whitaker has now begun to do what Matt Giwer was doing several
> months ago on alt.revisionism.  Rather than respond to posts, he
> merely attaches the same (or in Giwer's case one from a limited menu)
> mantra to everything directed at him.  I suggest that we just leave
> Mr. Whitaker to play with himself.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


        Your claim to be "thinking" is based on repeating three or four
silly politically Correct statements over and over in different words. 
I have given examples: when you acvoid addressing my statement that you
so-called nonracists are only interested in immigration to and
integration in majority-white countries, everything you say boils down
to 1)there is no white race and 2) the white race deserves it.
	This is called intellectual masterbation, and Mommy Professor has
taught you it's as smart as you need to get.
	What it is is repetition, and my repetitive response addresses your
intellectual masterbation.
	If you chhose to do what you normally do, join your Politically Correct
brethren in intellectual masterbation and ignore all opposition, it
certainly costs me nothing.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 08:22:51 PST 1996
Article: 55527 of alt.discrimination
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.rights.human,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.activism,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: 14 YEAR OLD GA HONOR STUDENT ARRESTED AT MCDONALD'S
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 14:22:46 -0500
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Gary Clark wrote:
> 
> Kaiju wrote:
> >
> > Randy Rowell  wrote:
> >
> > >Jahfree I Kupendua wrote:
> > >>
> > >> FORWARDED MESSAGE
> > >> =======================
> >
> > >I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion
> > >that you were arrested for speaking up.  It
> > >sounds like you were arrested because you
> > >didn't leave.
> >
> > >I don't know how you conclude your rights were violated.
> > >McDonalds is private property and they can institute
> > >a policy of "eat or leave" if they think it's in their
> > >best interest.  It doesn't sound like they are repressing
> > >any of your speech though.  I can't see how the first
> > >ammendment applies.
> >
> > You *did* notice the part of this sick tale where the young lady said she was
> > eating when she was arrested, didn't you.  RIF.
> 
> I've been following this thread since the first posting.
> 
> In my opinion, there's no question the kid WAS being discriminated against.
> 
> Buy WHY do so many of you seem to think it had anything to do with race.
> 
> I remember growing up white in an all white area. I also remember myself and
> many other teenagers undergoing the same sort of treatment as this kid described.
> 
> It came from adults who were white, aimed at kids who were white.
> 
> To me it's OBVIOUS TO THE MOST CASUAL OBSERVER that this kid was being discriminated
> against BECAUSE OF BEING A TEENAGER in a circumstance in which the management of the
> business in question had become fed up with too many teenagers hanging around on
> Friday and Saturday nights.
> 
> The cop/security gard was picking on this particular kid because he/she was a kid,
> not because he/she was black, brown, white, orange, purple or any other color.
> 
> Gary Clark


    You have an excellent point, but I still think thatif she is right,
whether she was discriminated against because of race or age or whatever
the excuse, I still think what she was dealing with was basically an
officious jerk, not an ideologue.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 08:34:11 PST 1996
Article: 34905 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Mr. Whitaker has now begun to do what Matt Giwer was doing several
> months ago on alt.revisionism.  Rather than respond to posts, he
> merely attaches the same (or in Giwer's case one from a limited menu)
> mantra to everything directed at him.  I suggest that we just leave
> Mr. Whitaker to play with himself.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


        Your claim to be "thinking" is based on repeating three or four
silly politically Correct statements over and over in different words. 
I have given examples: when you acvoid addressing my statement that you
so-called nonracists are only interested in immigration to and
integration in majority-white countries, everything you say boils down
to 1)there is no white race and 2) the white race deserves it.
	This is called intellectual masterbation, and Mommy Professor has
taught you it's as smart as you need to get.
	What it is is repetition, and my repetitive response addresses your
intellectual masterbation.
	If you chhose to do what you normally do, join your Politically Correct
brethren in intellectual masterbation and ignore all opposition, it
certainly costs me nothing.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 08:34:13 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Dene Bebbington   wrote:
> >Lets see, Christopher Brand author of "The g factor" says races are
> >innately different, as does Richard Lynn, they both live in Europe - so
> >have they been locked up for 5 years and fined 60,000 dollars (or maybe
> >Ecu's would be more appropriate for the non-US centric readers of this
> >newsgroup!).
> 
> It would seem to me that the most reasonable answer is that ol' Bob has
> absolutely no idea of the status of current academic research whatsoever,
> preferring instead to substitue his usual blather about cloning and
> mommy professors ad infinitum. Such a view would also appear to explain
> his "surprise" at seeing a listing of those scholars whose views are, at
> present, controversial - he's so utterly outta the loop that he's got
> no idea who those folks are. Almost none of the anthro folks here seemed
> too surprised to see those names, I note. Looks like their "clone" status
> is somewhat more complex that Bob would like us to believe. I hope you'll
> excuse me if I don't feign surprise; I'm saving all that up for the day
> when Bob manages to do something resembling backing an assertion....
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html



   Actually, i am dealing with you Politically Coirrect types on your
own very, very superficial level.  
    Your clones predictably insisted that all true authorities in
academia agreed that all races do not exist, that all racies are equal,
taht all races are absolutely anything Political Correctness requires,
when it requires it.  I explained that since it is regular policy to
deny tenure to young professors who commit heresy inthese areas, and to
actually imprison people in Europe for racial heresy, this was no
surprise.
     Clones cannot answer that, so in ordeer to argue it they had to
come up with authorities who disagreed with Political Correctness,
assuming their original contention would thereforeew be consigned to the
Memory Hole, as it is in your Politically Correct circles. In short, you
are not used to being called on things, and you get to forget anything
that is inconvenient.
      Having said that all the authorities, when told by Politically
Correct people to jump, only asked "How high?", you now start giving me
authorities who defy them.  If I had palyed your usual game of competing
with you in quoting your captive authorities, I would not have gotten
this clear self-contradiction from you.
       You are now appealing to those who cannot see this
contradiction.  IO say screw it, you're welcome to them.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Mr. Whitaker has now begun to do what Matt Giwer was doing several
> months ago on alt.revisionism.  Rather than respond to posts, he
> merely attaches the same (or in Giwer's case one from a limited menu)
> mantra to everything directed at him.  I suggest that we just leave
> Mr. Whitaker to play with himself.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


        Your claim to be "thinking" is based on repeating three or four
silly politically Correct statements over and over in different words. 
I have given examples: when you acvoid addressing my statement that you
so-called nonracists are only interested in immigration to and
integration in majority-white countries, everything you say boils down
to 1)there is no white race and 2) the white race deserves it.
	This is called intellectual masterbation, and Mommy Professor has
taught you it's as smart as you need to get.
	What it is is repetition, and my repetitive response addresses your
intellectual masterbation.
	If you chhose to do what you normally do, join your Politically Correct
brethren in intellectual masterbation and ignore all opposition, it
certainly costs me nothing.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Dene Bebbington   wrote:
> >Lets see, Christopher Brand author of "The g factor" says races are
> >innately different, as does Richard Lynn, they both live in Europe - so
> >have they been locked up for 5 years and fined 60,000 dollars (or maybe
> >Ecu's would be more appropriate for the non-US centric readers of this
> >newsgroup!).
> 
> It would seem to me that the most reasonable answer is that ol' Bob has
> absolutely no idea of the status of current academic research whatsoever,
> preferring instead to substitue his usual blather about cloning and
> mommy professors ad infinitum. Such a view would also appear to explain
> his "surprise" at seeing a listing of those scholars whose views are, at
> present, controversial - he's so utterly outta the loop that he's got
> no idea who those folks are. Almost none of the anthro folks here seemed
> too surprised to see those names, I note. Looks like their "clone" status
> is somewhat more complex that Bob would like us to believe. I hope you'll
> excuse me if I don't feign surprise; I'm saving all that up for the day
> when Bob manages to do something resembling backing an assertion....
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html



   Actually, i am dealing with you Politically Coirrect types on your
own very, very superficial level.  
    Your clones predictably insisted that all true authorities in
academia agreed that all races do not exist, that all racies are equal,
taht all races are absolutely anything Political Correctness requires,
when it requires it.  I explained that since it is regular policy to
deny tenure to young professors who commit heresy inthese areas, and to
actually imprison people in Europe for racial heresy, this was no
surprise.
     Clones cannot answer that, so in ordeer to argue it they had to
come up with authorities who disagreed with Political Correctness,
assuming their original contention would thereforeew be consigned to the
Memory Hole, as it is in your Politically Correct circles. In short, you
are not used to being called on things, and you get to forget anything
that is inconvenient.
      Having said that all the authorities, when told by Politically
Correct people to jump, only asked "How high?", you now start giving me
authorities who defy them.  If I had palyed your usual game of competing
with you in quoting your captive authorities, I would not have gotten
this clear self-contradiction from you.
       You are now appealing to those who cannot see this
contradiction.  IO say screw it, you're welcome to them.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 09:32:31 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
> >just repeat mine.
> 
> But that's all you ever do is repeat, and repeat, and repeat ad nauseum.
> 
> >       You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you
> >can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
> >integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
> >majority countries.
> 
> No, you're the only one who thinks he can fool people into believing the
> motives you impute to those who disagree with you.
> 
> >       Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
> >because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
> >moron, and youíre welcome to them.
> 
> In other words, you haven't been able to provide any evidence for your
> assertion.
> 
> >   You are also more than welcome to
> >the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
> 
> As opposed to the morons who only see the world through a race oriented
> outlook?
> 
> >       You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
> >have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.
 
> This "serious politics" must be in your mind only, judging by your
> singular inability to engage in a reasoned dialogue.

   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
right if you're going to make a living that way.   Your so-called
"reasoned dialogue" is pure repetition and intellectual masturbation.   
    I made my living in academia and poltiics, and your Politically
Correct bs for what it is.




 
> >       Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
> >out here in reality.
> 
> But you have no remarks of any substance to make.

   You clones never say anything except that I am evil for not falling
into your game with you.


> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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H.V wrote:
> 
> In article <559lal$a5e@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net says...
> >
> > (`~=x[silvermask]x*=~`) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>HEY!
> >
> >>If you are referring to the military might as THE qualification for
> SUPER
> >>POWER,  let me ask you then:  WHY AREN'T THE ROMANS RULING THE WORLD
> TODAY?
> >>And if technology was the key to social prosperity and a guarantee
> for the
> >>seat in the cockpit of power, let me ask you then:  WHY ISN'T HITLER
> RULING
> >>THE UNIVERSE?
> >
> >As far as the Romans were concerned, they went the road of
> >multiracialism and went straight downhill, as one would expect.  They
> >were invaded by Germanic and civilization was rebuilt.
> >
> 
> Oh really? I thought the germanic Invasions were the start of the DARK
> ages ! During that time the arts and litteracy were almost unheard of,
> except in monasteries..Charlemagne himself barely knew how to read !
> Civilization came back to Europe through trade and CONTACT with the
> islamic world, who themselves had had contact with the previous
> hellenistic world. Do you really call the Europe of the 8th century a
> civilized place ? compared the the Roman Empire ?
> You're a joke.
> 
> >As far as the Germans in WWII go, they were overwhelmed numerically by
> >Russians and Americans, even though they were superior
> >technologically.
> 
> I guess the germans were the ones who invented radar ? right ??
> 
>  There is a point where slightly superior technology
> >can be edged by inferior technology wedded with overwhelming numbers.
> >
> >Brian Smith
> >www.natall.com
> >


     As a matter of fact, the Germanic barbarians developed the horse
collar and the plow, both of which make more difference than all the
paperwork you are talking about.  They did this without any exposure to
your precious ancient wisdom.  i think all so-called Great Civilizations
were essentially slave-pits, using inventions which came to them from
the outside.  
	Certainly your Great Egyptian Civilization got the wheel from its being
rolled over them from the outside.  They got horses that way.  They got
iron that way.  Rome got soap from the "barbarians" of Gaul.  These are
just instances where they actually admit where they got what they use. 
I think your great slave pits, that you call Great Civilizations of
History, are essntially stagnant.  Brown people make excellent slaves
for them.
	Historians like history that emphasizes the importance of historians,
ie, scribes, but I think free people do more.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 12:47:43 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
> >just repeat mine.
> 
> But that's all you ever do is repeat, and repeat, and repeat ad nauseum.
> 
> >       You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you
> >can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
> >integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
> >majority countries.
> 
> No, you're the only one who thinks he can fool people into believing the
> motives you impute to those who disagree with you.
> 
> >       Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
> >because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
> >moron, and youíre welcome to them.
> 
> In other words, you haven't been able to provide any evidence for your
> assertion.
> 
> >   You are also more than welcome to
> >the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
> 
> As opposed to the morons who only see the world through a race oriented
> outlook?
> 
> >       You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
> >have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.
 
> This "serious politics" must be in your mind only, judging by your
> singular inability to engage in a reasoned dialogue.

   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
right if you're going to make a living that way.   Your so-called
"reasoned dialogue" is pure repetition and intellectual masturbation.   
    I made my living in academia and poltiics, and your Politically
Correct bs for what it is.




 
> >       Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
> >out here in reality.
> 
> But you have no remarks of any substance to make.

   You clones never say anything except that I am evil for not falling
into your game with you.


> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 16:11:52 PST 1996
Article: 48440 of alt.politics.white-power
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John Mitchell wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith wrote:
> >
> > hvlcrt@axess.com (H.V) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <559lal$a5e@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net says...
> > >>
> > >>As far as the Romans were concerned, they went the road of
> > >>multiracialism and went straight downhill, as one would expect.  They
> > >>were invaded by Germanic and civilization was rebuilt.
> > >>
> >
> > >Oh really? I thought the germanic Invasions were the start of the DARK
> > >ages ! During that time the arts and litteracy were almost unheard of,
> > >except in monasteries..Charlemagne himself barely knew how to read !
> > >Civilization came back to Europe through trade and CONTACT with the
> > >islamic world, who themselves had had contact with the previous
> > >hellenistic world. Do you really call the Europe of the 8th century a
> > >civilized place ? compared the the Roman Empire ?
> > >You're a joke.
> >
> > What put Europe in a "Dark Age" was the rise and proliferation of
> > Christianity.  Either way, when you are referring to the Roman Empire
> > you are still referring to civilization built predominantly by Nordics
> > and semi-Nordics.   Eventually the civilizations these White men built
> > were over-run by non-Whites because the Roman Empire foolishly adopted
> > multiracialism.  The Empire decayed.  The Germanics were hired as
> > elite bodyguards and soldiers.
> >
> > When the Germanic tribes invaded they gave the decaying Roman Empire a
> > huge infusion of Nordic blood again.   Rome was far the better for it.
> > There are very few indispensable contributions made by Islamics to the
> > Western world.  Even the problems of calculus and alegebra were
> > developed by Archimedes and the ancient Greeks (who were Nordics, as
> > shown by their scultures).  Arabic translations of Archimedes did come
> > in handy, however, after the originals had been destroyed.
> >
> > >>As far as the Germans in WWII go, they were overwhelmed numerically by
> > >>Russians and Americans, even though they were superior
> > >>technologically.
> >
> > >I guess the germans were the ones who invented radar ? right ??
> >
> > The basic concepts of radar are based on the laws of radio-wave
> > reflection, which are inherent in the equations governing the behavior
> > of electromagnetic waves developed by the British physicist James
> > Clerk Maxwell in 1864. These principles were first demonstrated in
> > 1886 in experiments by the German physicist Heinrich Hertz. The German
> > engineer Christian HŁlsmeyer was the first to propose the use of radio
> > echoes in a detecting device designed to avoid collisions in marine
> > navigation. A similar device was suggested in 1922 by the Italian
> > inventor Guglielmo Marconi.
> >
> > Once again, it is the White race which pioneered and invented the
> > advanced technology we possess today, which most non-Whites then
> > adopted or copied (except Africans).
> 
> You might try reading reading Stephen Jay Gould's "Mismeasure of Man" and
> Steve Jones's "The Language of Genes". The so called races have no
> scientific basis. Anyways, the achievements of individual scientists and
> mathematicians belong soley to themselves and not to their so called
> "races", religion or whatever.
> 
> >
> > Brian Smith
> > www.natall.com


    What you say is Politically Correct, and anyone who disagrees with
it inside a university is in deep, deep trouble.  This not only doesn't
mean it's true, a free man would doubt it all the more for that reason.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov  4 16:24:35 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Dene Bebbington   wrote:
> >Lets see, Christopher Brand author of "The g factor" says races are
> >innately different, as does Richard Lynn, they both live in Europe - so
> >have they been locked up for 5 years and fined 60,000 dollars (or maybe
> >Ecu's would be more appropriate for the non-US centric readers of this
> >newsgroup!).
> 
> It would seem to me that the most reasonable answer is that ol' Bob has
> absolutely no idea of the status of current academic research whatsoever,
> preferring instead to substitue his usual blather about cloning and
> mommy professors ad infinitum. Such a view would also appear to explain
> his "surprise" at seeing a listing of those scholars whose views are, at
> present, controversial - he's so utterly outta the loop that he's got
> no idea who those folks are. Almost none of the anthro folks here seemed
> too surprised to see those names, I note. Looks like their "clone" status
> is somewhat more complex that Bob would like us to believe. I hope you'll
> excuse me if I don't feign surprise; I'm saving all that up for the day
> when Bob manages to do something resembling backing an assertion....
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html



   Actually, i am dealing with you Politically Coirrect types on your
own very, very superficial level.  
    Your clones predictably insisted that all true authorities in
academia agreed that all races do not exist, that all racies are equal,
taht all races are absolutely anything Political Correctness requires,
when it requires it.  I explained that since it is regular policy to
deny tenure to young professors who commit heresy inthese areas, and to
actually imprison people in Europe for racial heresy, this was no
surprise.
     Clones cannot answer that, so in ordeer to argue it they had to
come up with authorities who disagreed with Political Correctness,
assuming their original contention would thereforeew be consigned to the
Memory Hole, as it is in your Politically Correct circles. In short, you
are not used to being called on things, and you get to forget anything
that is inconvenient.
      Having said that all the authorities, when told by Politically
Correct people to jump, only asked "How high?", you now start giving me
authorities who defy them.  If I had palyed your usual game of competing
with you in quoting your captive authorities, I would not have gotten
this clear self-contradiction from you.
       You are now appealing to those who cannot see this
contradiction.  IO say screw it, you're welcome to them.


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >I think Iíll do what you guys do, and just repeat otherís remarks.  Iíll
> >just repeat mine.
> 
> But that's all you ever do is repeat, and repeat, and repeat ad nauseum.
> 
> >       You clones are, as always unanimously, the only ones who  think you
> >can fool people into thinking you are not demanding immigration and
> >integration for all white majority countries, and only for white
> >majority countries.
> 
> No, you're the only one who thinks he can fool people into believing the
> motives you impute to those who disagree with you.
> 
> >       Any clown who doubts people are in prison under European Hate Laws
> >because I donít name their names , like Kasiecki-Brown, is your kind of
> >moron, and youíre welcome to them.
> 
> In other words, you haven't been able to provide any evidence for your
> assertion.
> 
> >   You are also more than welcome to
> >the morons who are willing to believe that race isnít really there.
> 
> As opposed to the morons who only see the world through a race oriented
> outlook?
> 
> >       You try to increase your apparent numbers by singing in chorus, but I
> >have been in serious politics too long to be fooled.
 
> This "serious politics" must be in your mind only, judging by your
> singular inability to engage in a reasoned dialogue.

   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
right if you're going to make a living that way.   Your so-called
"reasoned dialogue" is pure repetition and intellectual masturbation.   
    I made my living in academia and poltiics, and your Politically
Correct bs for what it is.




 
> >       Meanwhile, I will continue to address my remarks to people who reside
> >out here in reality.
> 
> But you have no remarks of any substance to make.

   You clones never say anything except that I am evil for not falling
into your game with you.


> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov  5 17:44:55 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Allied atrocities--stainless Stele forgery?
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Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> 
> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
> 
> >This Charles Power is a real winner.  FIrst he doubts the quotes of the
>  Soviet Jew
> >Ehrenberg who extorted Soviets to kill and rape German women with glee,
>  instigating the
> >largest mass rape in world history.
> 
> Of course I doubted it. That particular quote is a well-known forgery.
> No one has ever found a reliable source for it--any publication by
> Ehrenburg or anyone who ever heard him say it or anything like it.
> 
> >                        Then Charles claims van Roden's quote about Germans
> >being tortured and getting nearly all their testicles crushed, is a fake or
>  forgery.  Then
> >when presented with proof it wasn't a forgery, Charles then claims the
>  quote wasn't
> >reliable enough.
> 
> I'm saying that if the evidence for the Holocaust were as thin as that
> for all this testicle-crushing--some alleged report of an alleged speech
> at a Rotary Club--I would be a denier myself.
> 
> Oh, and Kurt? There's *still* no Sunday edition of the WASHINGTON DAILY
> NEWS. That cite, which you posted, remains bogus.
> 
> >He's evidently still trying to cling the old thoroughly discredited
> >"good boy" image of the Allies.   What a joke.  Charles should grow
>   up and get real.
> >Truth be known the Allies were far more savage than the Germans were.
> 
> Typical and predictable bullshit from a Hitler-sucking Nazi-wannabe.


     To sum all this up: no person on the winning side has ever been
convicted of a war crime.   So they must not commit any.
     Next question?


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Charles R.L. Power wrote:
> 
> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
> 
> >This Charles Power is a real winner.  FIrst he doubts the quotes of the
>  Soviet Jew
> >Ehrenberg who extorted Soviets to kill and rape German women with glee,
>  instigating the
> >largest mass rape in world history.
> 
> Of course I doubted it. That particular quote is a well-known forgery.
> No one has ever found a reliable source for it--any publication by
> Ehrenburg or anyone who ever heard him say it or anything like it.
> 
> >                        Then Charles claims van Roden's quote about Germans
> >being tortured and getting nearly all their testicles crushed, is a fake or
>  forgery.  Then
> >when presented with proof it wasn't a forgery, Charles then claims the
>  quote wasn't
> >reliable enough.
> 
> I'm saying that if the evidence for the Holocaust were as thin as that
> for all this testicle-crushing--some alleged report of an alleged speech
> at a Rotary Club--I would be a denier myself.
> 
> Oh, and Kurt? There's *still* no Sunday edition of the WASHINGTON DAILY
> NEWS. That cite, which you posted, remains bogus.
> 
> >He's evidently still trying to cling the old thoroughly discredited
> >"good boy" image of the Allies.   What a joke.  Charles should grow
>   up and get real.
> >Truth be known the Allies were far more savage than the Germans were.
>
> Typical and predictable bullshit from a Hitler-sucking Nazi-wannabe.


   Oops. I forgot your last sentence.  The complete statement should
have been:
   To sum up, no one on the winning side has ever been convicted of a
war crime.  
   So anyone who says anyone on the winning side ever committed a war
crime is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> AgamemnoN (reverend@iinet.net.au) wrote:
> 
> : Please Ken. I encourage you once again. Please present the attrocities
> : which lie behind the establishment of Israel.
> :
> : I search your archives constantly for some denouncement of NETANYAHU
> : and his fascist policies, but alas i find nothing.
> 
> Shockingly enough, the Nizkor archives also include no denouncement
> of the atrocities of Pol Pot, Idi Amin or Attila the Hun.  The Race
> Traitor McVay will try to excuse this by claiming are outside the
> scope of the site, but we all know it's really part of a JOOISH
> Konspiracy.


   As you say, anyone who mentions Pol Pot or Stalin in the same breath
with persecution of the Jews, the only people who have Truly Suffered,
is A Nazi Who Wans To Kill Six Million Jews.



 
> Bill
> 
> ps--I also searched the Nizkor site in vain for information about
> restringing my five-string banjo.  Does your duplicity know no
> bounds, McVayStein?


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  8 10:57:31 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Ursus Major  wrote:
> >Your whole premise is, "Prove The Holocaust(tm) Didn't Happen!"
> >A unique approach to jurisprudence, but SOP for the Holohuggers.
> 
> You can believe what the hell you like. But I assume from this and other
> comments of yours that you will not believe any commonly accepted
> historical event until it is conclusively proved to you? Or is it just
> possible that you pick out the Holocaust for special attention for
> reasons other than historical verismilitude?
> 
> Let's see, since you're so fond of forensic evidence, what forensic
> evidence do you have that George Washington was actually a president of
> the United States. Until you provide it, by your logic we cannot accept
> the proposition that he was a president of the US.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


   What you are saying, in yor terribly sophistocated and subtle way, is
that anyone who  questions anything about the Holocaust is A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews, right?


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov  8 10:57:32 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Robin Halligan wrote:
> 
> A Face appared on my screen looking like Paul Frederick Schnellbecher and said:
> 
> >: on 110% of the land mass of British Columbia, there are similar problems
> >: in New Zealand and Australia.  South Africa is ruined now, in fact most of
> 
> >Does a Canadian colleague care to jump in here?
> 
> Well i will jump in here as a K1W1 and answer for New Zealand
>   (Hi Paul haven't E-mailed you in some time must get back to it)
> We do have some race prob's over here but most are caused b a
> few radicals and they are the cause of all the trouble.
> If they kept there fucking noses out of things then the government might be
> able to sort out things and we would be away from the trouble.
> the scareyist thing about this whole thing is, You might be serious.
> Take my advice watch a few hours of barnie the
> Big Purple Prehistoric Pedifile.
> 
> >Queen of Tastelessness
> 
> All hail on the Queen
> (or is that all hale the Queen)
> 
> --
> starman@crash.wanganui.gen.nz  (Robin Halligan)
> Amigans Public Access UUCP Node Wanganui New Zealand
> 
> People have believed for hundreds of years that newts in a well mean that the
> water's fresh and drinkable, and in all that time never asked themselves
> whether the newts got out to go to the lavatory.
>                                                 Terry Pratchett  Reaper man
> 
> --
> starman@crash.wanganui.gen.nz  (Robin Halligan)
> Amigans Public Access UUCP Node Wanganui New Zealand
> 
> First aid!  First aid!  What's the procedure for someone who's just cut their
> finger off?" (Richie)
> Ummmm-I think they bleed to death in half an hour." Eddie



       Bottom


    This clown's precious Government imprisons people who write anything
about race that is not polticially correct.   That is indeed, a Final
Solution which appears moderate to the Politically Correct.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> syd (syd@iquest.net) wrote:
> 
> : Niggers are the only problem white's have.
> 
> Well, I'm white, and I don't have any problems I can blame on blacks,
> so I'm not real interested in this conversation.  I am curious, though--
> in your particular case, how to you contrive to blame blacks for your
> hydrocephalia, swollen gums and rickets?
> 
> Bill


   anders is a semiprofessional anti-white white.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >AgamemnoN wrote:
> 
> >> No, he thinks the magic letters 'OBC' will fill us with awe. How can
> >> we compete against such a highly respected and honoured man?!?
> >>
> >> Whats that stand for - Order of the British Crown???  Isn't  this the
> >> same Crown that sent convicts to Australia for stealing loaves of
> >> bread and then killed heaps of Aborigines??? Yup - sure is.
> 
> Uh no, Peter, OBC stands for Order of British Columbia.  British
> Columbia is a province in Canada.
> 
> >    When people put PhD or OBC or "Colonel" on the net, they are more to
> >be pitied htan censured.  They can't argue their case, so they put up
> >their credentials.
> 
> Gee, Mr. Whit, that must be why you made it widely known in May, when
> someone flamed you on your lousy writing, that you are a PhD.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman
   

     What in the hell is some ego cripple doing on the net putting PhD
or MD or OBC aft er his name?  Who gives a flying horsehockey?


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M. Luther wrote:
> 
> Warrl kyree Tale'sedrin wrote:
> > >> > Let's go to a parellel world where by some freak phenomenon,
> > >> > blacks had the same average salaries as whites in this
> > >> > country.  Who do you think will be committing the most
> > >> > crimes in this world?  Blacks? Whites?  Nope...poor people.
> > >> > Because hey, if I'm rich, blowing $50 on a pair of jeans
> > >> > is no problem.
> >
> > Hm, then I guess the Depression must have been a real crime spree
> > then.  Right?
> 
> There's a difference between once having it all and never
> having anything at all.  In the first case, there's hope...
> you were there once, and can be again...besides, if everyone
> else is in the same boat, there's no resentment. Just like
> a hurricane might pull people together.
> 
> But if my parents were poor, their grandparents poor, and I'm
> poor, and I have never tasted any rewards for legitimate hard
> work, there's a point when I stop trying to play the way "the
> system" wants me to play.  Trial and error -- if all my
> older relatives have tried real jobs and gotten nowhere, maybe
> it's time I tried something less legal.


    The simple fact is, we all all heard that excuse so many times,
usually at public expense, that the world is divided into those who
believe it and are incapable of believing anything else, and those who
do not believe it.
    It's silly.


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Per I. Mathisen wrote:
> 
> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> >Eventually the civilizations these White men built
> >were over-run by non-Whites because the Roman Empire foolishly adopted
> >multiracialism.
> 
> Ah, Brian... so you have overturned all the different, mutually
> inclusive theories explaining the fall of the Roman empire and
> replaced them all with *one* grand theory! How smart of you! You must
> really be a historian or something!
> 
> I mean, a stupid fellow like me would have believed that it was a
> multitude of factors like heavy taxes, lots and lots of opressed
> peoples wanting to revolt, corruption among the upper classes, the
> start of feudal relations on the countryside and mighty armies pushing
> on its borders that made the Roman empire fall apart.
> 
> These are usually called centrifugal effects and have affected every
> empire in history. In fact, the greatest and most long lasting empire
> in history have been the Ottoman, while the largest was the Mongol...
> 
> >When the Germanic tribes invaded they gave the decaying Roman Empire a
> >huge infusion of Nordic blood again.   Rome was far the better for it.
> 
> Huh? Were they vampires??
> 
> >Arabic translations of Archimedes did come
> >in handy, however, after the originals had been destroyed.
> 
> In fact, the noble Arabic saved the manuscripts of the great Greek
> philosophers from the barbaric western "whites" who wanted to burn
> them, and made ground-breaking astronomical work, and when we
> Europeans started to throw of the yoke of Christendom, reintroduced
> classical philosophy and science and introduced to the western world a
> numerical system that transformed the way we do maths (such as the
> introduction of the zero).
> 
> Now, who burned the great library of Alexandria, killed Archimedes and
> through crushing of the city-state democracy, ended the fertile,
> classical age of philosophy and science ...
> 
> - Per


       You guys always make a perfectly good statement pretending not to
be Politically Correct, then, as your last paragraph, you always show
your colors with some Kill Whitey rhetoric.
	Anyway, the Moslems knew how to use racial differences.  Both the
successful Janissaries and the successful Mamelukes who finally drove
out the Crusader kingdoms were recruited at birth from "Christian"
families and taught to fight for the Islamic faith. 
	Nowadays, the Islamic faith only has the brown Islamic people as
cannon-fodder, and the results speak for themselves.
	All your manuscripts were not worth anything like the horse collar and
the plow and stirrups, all invented in Northern Europe during the
so-called Dark Ages.  Not the Middle Ages, mind you, but the Dark Ages
before them.


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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 18:29:26 -0500, Bob Whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
> >     There's still some little hope.  I was a professor myself, but I
> >grew out of it.
> 
> Didn't get tenure, eh?


   Please read my reply to  your Ledgister clone.


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : william c anderson wrote:
> : >
> : > Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : >
> : > :      This is the first time I have been informed that Finsten makes her
> : > : living pushing this Politically Correct crap.
> : >
> : > Yes, that's right, Bob--Ms Finsten IS Mommy Professor.  You've
> : > uncovered the awful truth at last.
> : >
> : > Tremble in fear, Mortal, before She Who Must Be Obeyed...
> : >
> : > Bill
> 
> :      There's still some little hope.  I was a professor myself, but I
> : grew out of it.
> 
> Or you didn't  publish enough to get tenure.
> 
> k--
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


     Most of my publications were not financed by taxpayers.  If you
want to join the Writers' Guild, for example, academic publications do
not count.  This is because your work must be published by someone whose
own money is at risk, i.e., out in reality.
     When Arthur Jensen, at the request of an academic publication at
Harvard, came out with his original heresy for them, they suspended all
publication of it.  This was hardly noticed, because academe is expected
to censor heresy.
     If you can get the academic bureaucracy happy, you can publish,
always at the expense of taxpayers, via direct subsidy and tax
deductible status.  But out here in reality, you have to publish what
people will pay to read.
     Academics resent people who make it in the real world.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Nov 10 06:53:31 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 14:18:39 -0500
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Kimberley Ahlf wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Ole Kreiberg wrote:
> 
> > In article , Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >I hope his beloved (and tiny) Denmark and the rest of Europe are prepared
> > >to accept the millions ethnic Danes and Europeans who, under such a
> > >scheme, will be repatriated back to Europe from the United States in order
> > >to return North America to the ethnic descendents of its first
> > >inhabitants.
> >
> >  This solution may not be practicable in regard to the USA. The USA should
> > be divided into several independent ethnic countries which gradually should
> > be made ethnic homogenous. (Through the exchange of the population)
> 
> Don't dilute your ideology, Mr. Kreiberg.  If a nation's lands belong to
> the ethnic descendents of its original inhabitants, we should send
> everyone else back to their ethnic 'homelands', as you advocate.  Why
> should we in the USA Balkanize the Americas when we can just send 250
> million or-so Europeans back to Europe, just as you advocate sending the
> ethnic 'Africans' back to Africa from Denmark?
> 
> The point is, the logic behind your racist ideology leads to very silly
> conclusions when applied to the real world.  In the real world nations
> cope just fine with multiple' races' once the ideologies of racism can be
> overcome.  Adopting different ethnic mixes into our national culture here
> in the USA has resulted in some of the finest industry, science, music,
> sport and art in the world.  Our nation would be just another bland
> economic colony of Europe without the contributions of people descended
> from Europeans, Africans, Chinese, Japanese, Jews, Indians, Native
> Americans, etc...  Why anyone would want to curse their own nation with
> ethnic homogeniety is beyond belief.
> 
> -ODB


     This is the net, not a Politically Correct environemtn where you
can get away with that kind of crap without cheallenge.  What country is
coping with a melting pot and doing it decently.
      Out here in reality, your wishful thinking does not constitute
fact.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 14:12:35 -0500
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Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> >   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> >  In article <55jhlo$kvk@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> >  >       They are Danish citizens.  "Repatriating" them means sending them
> >  >back to Denmark.
> 
> >  Hm the USA was multiethnic right from it's inception. Denmark has always
> >  been homogenous. Denmark is the Danes and the Danes are Denmark. A few
> other
> >  closely related individuals slipped in through the centuries and became
> >  totally assimilited or absorbed. That is all.
> 
>         Still no answer.  And not even true.  By the way nazi boy, a Danish
> friend of has pointed out that Krieberg is not really a Danish name.  If you nazi laws
> are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration
> camp.
> 
>         --YFE


   When I call you Politically Correct types on using the Nazi label,
you always deny you do it.  You say you know all socialists are not
Commmunists, and all racists are not Nazis.  Then  you go back to it.
   Oh, well, with the establishment on your side, neither you, nor the
1930's Hitler Youth had to be logically consistent.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :      *Papers* passes your muster because it was written for a New York
> : City publisher.
> 
> Papers passed my muster because, although I disagreed with almost
> everything in it, it was composed of serious, reasoned arguments.
> What you post here, by contrast, consist almost entirely of barely
> coherent personal attacks and paranoid ranting.
> 
> I must confess, though, to a certain disappointment in not running
> across the term "Mommy Professor" in the book.
> 
> Bill


   Boy, you really get pissed when I make the point everybody is aware
of, that what yousay is simply a clonish repetition of what Mommy
professor told you!
   Per your request, I'll keep it up.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Nov 10 06:53:33 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 01:29:16 -0500
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Daniel Swan wrote:
> >
> > Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
> > : All of them, of course. It was part of a Joosh Plot to
> > : stop the Secret Nazi UFO Scientists That Kindly Unkie Ernst
> > : Would Someday Meet from designing thier Secret Nazi UFO
> > : Weapon Hidden To This Day In Anarctica By Hitler Who By The
> >
> > Mr. McVay, have you no better weapon in your arsenal than
> > mockful rhetoric?
> 
> Well, he has truth.  He could have talked about how some people
> who believe in an International Jewish Conspiracy also try to
> raise money for an expedition to the South Pole to investigate
> an alledged UFO base constructed by the Nazis who escaped
> capture at the end of WW2...
> 
> Oh wait.  That was what he was doing.  Silly me.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca
> http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/keithm.html


   Do you mean that someone who calls every opponent A Nazi Who Wants To
Kill Six Million Jews is calling other people silly?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:11:21 -0500, Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >AgamemnoN wrote:
> 
> >> dswan@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Daniel Swan) wrote:
> 
> >> >Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
> >> >: All of them, of course. It was part of a Joosh Plot to
> >> >: stop the Secret Nazi UFO Scientists That Kindly Unkie Ernst
> >> >: Would Someday Meet from designing thier Secret Nazi UFO
> >> >: Weapon Hidden To This Day In Anarctica By Hitler Who By The
> 
> >> >Mr. McVay, have you no better weapon in your arsenal than
> >> >mockful rhetoric?
> 
> >> No, he thinks the magic letters 'OBC' will fill us with awe. How can
> >> we compete against such a highly respected and honoured man?!?
> 
> >> Whats that stand for - Order of the British Crown???  Isn't  this the
> >> same Crown that sent convicts to Australia for stealing loaves of
> >> bread and then killed heaps of Aborigines??? Yup - sure is.
> 
> >> If Kenny was around 50 years ago, he'd no doubt be parading his Iron
> >> Cross (if he had the guts to earn one!!)
> 
> >> He wears the badge of another country with pride, and yet he has the
> >> gall to sneer at patriots.
> 
> >    When people put PhD or OBC or "Colonel" on the net, they are more to
> >be pitied htan censured.  They can't argue their case, so they put up
> >their credentials.
> >    Don't knock it, it's all the poor bastard's got.
> 
>  Boy, that was sure an intellectual and useful comment!

    You mean you actually approve of some clown putting PhD or OBC after
his name on the net to impress people?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In message <328270D6.5CB6@conterra.com> - Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> :>
> :>william c anderson wrote:
> :>>
> :>> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> :>>
> :>> :      This is the first time I have been informed that Finsten makes her
> :>> : living pushing this Politically Correct crap.
> :>>
> :>> Yes, that's right, Bob--Ms Finsten IS Mommy Professor.  You've
> :>> uncovered the awful truth at last.
> :>>
> :>> Tremble in fear, Mortal, before She Who Must Be Obeyed...
> :>>
> :>> Bill
> :>
> :>
> :>     There's still some little hope.  I was a professor myself, but I
> :>grew out of it.
> 
> Voluntarily?
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time


   Please read my reply to the other two clones who said that.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <327D0EB1.4FD7@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
> >right if you're going to make a living that way.
> 
> Given that you're almost always wrong I doubt this is how you actually make
> your "living."  Just what political consulting firm do you work for?  What
> is your area of expertise?  Who are some of your clients?  What political
> experience and education do you have?  Its clear to me that anybody who would
> actually pay you for your "advice" would have to be at least as big a fool as
> you are.
> 
> > Your so-called "reasoned dialogue" is pure repetition and intellectual
> >masturbation.
> 
> ROTFL!!  This from Bobby the political hotshot and "academic."  One wonders
> about his constant references to masturbation.  Perhaps this is how he
> actually spends his time.  I just hope he doesn't bill his clients for it.
> 
> >    I made my living in academia and poltiics, and your Politically
> >Correct bs for what it is.
> 
> Aside from the fact that this sentence makes no sense (as usual), I highly
> doubt that you have anything to do with academia or politics (outside of your
> wacko little white-power world).  As one academic to another, Bobby, just what
> Mommy Professors do you work with?  What are your academic credentials?  Do
> you have tenure?  What discipline do you work in?  To what professional or
> academic societies do you belong?  What peer-reviewed journals have you
> published in?  Perhaps you could post a copy of your CV for all of us to
> marvel at (if you even know what a CV is).   Your answers, if they ever come,
> should be good for a few laughs to those of us who really are academics and
> political consultants.
> 
> >   You clones never say anything except that I am evil for not falling
> >into your game with you.
> 
> ROTFL!  Reality isn't your strongest suit, is it?  Just answer my above
> questions or be shown to be a liar once again.
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


     Many of you get paid for pushing Political Correctness and never
look anything up, but keep insisting I do, free of sharge.  You can't
even look inside the dust jacket of abook in your own local library.
     I'm literally an open book.


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <327D0BE8.3A68@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >   Actually, i am dealing with you Politically Coirrect types on your
> >own very, very superficial level.
> >    Your clones predictably insisted that all true authorities in
> >academia agreed that all races do not exist, that all racies are equal,
> >taht all races are absolutely anything Political Correctness requires,
> >when it requires it.  I explained that since it is regular policy to
> >deny tenure to young professors who commit heresy inthese areas, and to
> >actually imprison people in Europe for racial heresy, this was no
> >surprise.
> >     Clones cannot answer that, so in ordeer to argue it they had to
> >come up with authorities who disagreed with Political Correctness,
> >assuming their original contention would thereforeew be consigned to the
> >Memory Hole, as it is in your Politically Correct circles. In short, you
> >are not used to being called on things, and you get to forget anything
> >that is inconvenient.
> >      Having said that all the authorities, when told by Politically
> >Correct people to jump, only asked "How high?", you now start giving me
> >authorities who defy them.  If I had palyed your usual game of competing
> >with you in quoting your captive authorities, I would not have gotten
> >this clear self-contradiction from you.
> >       You are now appealing to those who cannot see this
> >contradiction.  IO say screw it, you're welcome to them.
> 
> OK, lets tally them up...
> 
> Political Correctness or some variation: 5
> Clone(s): 3
> Politically Correct Clones:  0!!
> Mommy Professors: 0!!!  (what a letdown!)
> 
> And all this in only 8 "sentences"...
> 
> The lack of any "Mommy Professors," however, when the inclusion of at least
> one might actually have been "relevant" to his "critique" shows that Bobby
> here is starting to slip.  His posts are becoming less entertaining without
> become more coherent - how sad.  Of course nothing he says is supported with
> any actual evidence, but then Bobby's never seen the need to support his
> assertions in the past so why should he start now?
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


    Gosh, I really am worried to death about some clone's statement that
I'm not living up to his standards.


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Drew Beck wrote:
> 
> Could someone tell me the definition of "white"?  Are some "white" people
> "whiter" than other "white" people?  I mean, for instance, are Germans
> "whiter" than Irish?  What about some of those darker looking Germans I've
> seen; you know, the ones with dark brown hair and eyes?  How "white" are
> they?
> 
> Who decides this "whiteness" question?  Is there a "whiteness" scale I
> could see?  Who developed it?  Is there a commission or board
> somewhere that defines it?  What does God have to say about all this?  Did
> He screw up when He made different kinds of "white" people?  Was He having
> a bad day or something when He made some of the people less "white" (like
> those Mediterranean types mentioned in that stuff about Rome)?
> 
> Who are the "whitest" people on the planet?  Why is that?  How come
> "white" folks burn so easily in the sun?  Isn't that counterproductive,
> not being able to hang out in one's natural environment without getting
> burned & ending up with skin cancer?  What about someone with freckles?
> Does that make them less white?
> 
> Gee, this really opens up a lot of questions.  Enquiring minds want to
> know.
> 
> Actually, do the rest of us a favor and go climb into a cave somewhere and
> let the human race progress without your "superior" white genetics.
> 
> Drew (who looks "white" in the mirror but apparently doesn't "think
> white").


    You seem to think you have said something.  What you are bringing up
is the same old, old clone line that if there is any question about the
borders, a race does not exist.  Please check with your clones to see if
the old stuff has already been used before you bring it up.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 12:56:31 -0500
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Would you like to discuss the evidence that human "races" are (or are not)
> monophyletic, Mr. Whit?  Or compare heterozygosity and mtDNA maximum
> divergence among human "races" and among subspecies of other primates?



    Nobody's impressed.  Are you going to start signing your stuff,
"PhD" now?



> 
> Or perhaps you would care to explain how you confuse immigration and
> integration the way you do?
> 
> Or maybe you'll tell me what currently unclaimed and uninhabited piece
> of the world you and your fellow racists think you could take over as
> a "white homeland"?
> 
> Nah.  It'll be more politically correct blah blah mommy professor
> blah blah blah clones blah blah Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million
> Jews blah blah blah.
> 
> By the way, are you a member of the National Alliance?
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman



Boy, you really have sunk to the bottom, haven't you?


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Grey wrote:
> 
> In article <3283b576.2895591@news.cc.utexas.edu>,
> aaron.evans@mail.utexas.edu says...
> 
> When I watched Talk Back Live, there was not ONE single refference to any
> part of the law as it was written, I truly believe that the opposition
> wants to ignore facts.... Here it is again, and it will be in ALL my
> posts on this issue...  so any of you opponents can point out to me what
> part of this law is racist.
> 
> Grey
> 
> Prop. 209 - Civil rights - SUPPORT
> 
>      "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential
> treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color,
> ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment,
> public education, or public contracting."
> 
> > faeros@earthlink.net (Grey) wrote:
> >
> > >The preceeding is the controversial Proposition 209.  It is 37 words
> > >long, and I challenge anyone to show me what part of it is racist.
> >
> > Don't hold your breathe.
> >
> > Today in the newspaper (Austin-American Statesman 11/8), a pro-AA
> > editorial refused to even acknowledge the opposing point of view
> > except to say that AA opponents think that (and I kid you not) the
> > appointment of Clarence Thomas to the supreme court has righted the
> > wrongs of the past 200 years.  What difference should reality (in this
> > case, the fact that no AA opponent i've heard ever made that
> > arguement) make when you can just call people names?
> >
> > My point is that a lot of 'these' people (liberals or AA supporters or
> > whoever) don't want to address your opposition.
> >


     Hadn't you heard?  Anyone who opposes Political Correctness if A
Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk ("Duncan R. MacMillan") wrote:
> >
> >       I get the impression that a lot of people who rubbish "The Bell Curve"
> > seem to think that IQ was used to assign the subjects to their racial groups,
> > instead of the other way round.
> 
> No, that's not the problem.  The problem with the Bell Curve and other
> pseudo scientific attempts to correlate "race" and "IQ" is that people
> are assigned to "races" based on the US folk racial taxonomy, and then
> differences (real or otherwise) between these groups are projected
> onto their biology.  The groups are NOT biological, but CULTURAL
> constructs, and thus the conclusion that differences in "IQ" reflect
> differences in genetics is wrong, wrong, wrong.
> 
> Of course, there is also a problem with the whole concept of "IQ" and
> the notion that it represents anything more than performance on a test
> which happens to be called an "IQ Test."  The idea that the number
> arrived at by analyzing performance on one of these tests represents
> a genetically coded for "thing" inside the heads of people is also
> wrong, wrong, wrong.
> 
> Ron Kephart
> University of North Florida


   That's all Politically Correct, but has nothing to do with the facts.
    Intelligence is so obvious that even some idiot psychologist has to
be able to find it.  higher IQ's correlate with better health, height,
and about everything else.
   My brother, a neurologist, found a very practical use for this. You
can find the shortest  two percent of a group of children of a given
age, and half of them ar in the lowest two percent of IQ.
    So you have declared intelligence non-existent, whichis perfect
Political Correctness, but silly.
    From your PC point of view, these facts are wrong, wrong, wrong. 
But, of course, from the PC point of view, most facts are.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <327D0EB1.4FD7@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
> >right if you're going to make a living that way.
> 
> Given that you're almost always wrong I doubt this is how you actually make
> your "living."  Just what political consulting firm do you work for?  What
> is your area of expertise?  Who are some of your clients?  What political
> experience and education do you have?  Its clear to me that anybody who would
> actually pay you for your "advice" would have to be at least as big a fool as
> you are.
> 
> > Your so-called "reasoned dialogue" is pure repetition and intellectual
> >masturbation.
> 
> ROTFL!!  This from Bobby the political hotshot and "academic."  One wonders
> about his constant references to masturbation.  Perhaps this is how he
> actually spends his time.  I just hope he doesn't bill his clients for it.
> 
> >    I made my living in academia and poltiics, and your Politically
> >Correct bs for what it is.
> 
> Aside from the fact that this sentence makes no sense (as usual), I highly
> doubt that you have anything to do with academia or politics (outside of your
> wacko little white-power world).  As one academic to another, Bobby, just what
> Mommy Professors do you work with?  What are your academic credentials?  Do
> you have tenure?  What discipline do you work in?  To what professional or
> academic societies do you belong?  What peer-reviewed journals have you
> published in?  Perhaps you could post a copy of your CV for all of us to
> marvel at (if you even know what a CV is).   Your answers, if they ever come,
> should be good for a few laughs to those of us who really are academics and
> political consultants.
> 
> >   You clones never say anything except that I am evil for not falling
> >into your game with you.
> 
> ROTFL!  Reality isn't your strongest suit, is it?  Just answer my above
> questions or be shown to be a liar once again.
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


     Many of you get paid for pushing Political Correctness and never
look anything up, but keep insisting I do, free of sharge.  You can't
even look inside the dust jacket of abook in your own local library.
     I'm literally an open book.


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Joseph Clark wrote:
> 
> In article <55milc$a6b@noc.van.hookup.net>, schmidt@deepcove.com (Terry
> Schmidt) wrote:
> 
> > Brian Smith is right. A second viking wave would clear up who
> > belongs in what country. The germanic tribes will win, now that the
> > eyes of many are opened. Just keep insulting us, we are  gathering
> > strength.
> 
> Hay Terry,
> 
> Are you psycho? I mean, really nuts? You are talking about genocide, as if
> white people everywhere would join in your little military action if you
> just stood up and waved some kind of banner.  Or maybe you mean that the
> armies of certain white-majority countries might someday be willing to
> wipe out the "inferior" races. (as if America's army wasn't made up of a
> significant proportion of blacks and other minorities.)  And, do you
> really think that any such thing as a 'pure' germanic person exists
> today?  If so, do you think that all two hundred of them in the world feel
> similarly and would love to help you kill everyone else?
> 
> Brian Smith is a hate-monger and an ignorant bastard, but you are really
> insane, and should be locked up.
> 
> I hope you were joking...
> 
> holding onto my sanity,
> -Joseph Clark


        You clones are always preaching genocide.   You demand masive
third world immigration into every majority white country and only into
white majority countries,
and racial balance inside each white majority country.
	The real lesson of Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany is that just
because you are with the ruling establishment doesn't mean that what you
are doing is not a crime.


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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <327D0BE8.3A68@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >   Actually, i am dealing with you Politically Coirrect types on your
> >own very, very superficial level.
> >    Your clones predictably insisted that all true authorities in
> >academia agreed that all races do not exist, that all racies are equal,
> >taht all races are absolutely anything Political Correctness requires,
> >when it requires it.  I explained that since it is regular policy to
> >deny tenure to young professors who commit heresy inthese areas, and to
> >actually imprison people in Europe for racial heresy, this was no
> >surprise.
> >     Clones cannot answer that, so in ordeer to argue it they had to
> >come up with authorities who disagreed with Political Correctness,
> >assuming their original contention would thereforeew be consigned to the
> >Memory Hole, as it is in your Politically Correct circles. In short, you
> >are not used to being called on things, and you get to forget anything
> >that is inconvenient.
> >      Having said that all the authorities, when told by Politically
> >Correct people to jump, only asked "How high?", you now start giving me
> >authorities who defy them.  If I had palyed your usual game of competing
> >with you in quoting your captive authorities, I would not have gotten
> >this clear self-contradiction from you.
> >       You are now appealing to those who cannot see this
> >contradiction.  IO say screw it, you're welcome to them.
> 
> OK, lets tally them up...
> 
> Political Correctness or some variation: 5
> Clone(s): 3
> Politically Correct Clones:  0!!
> Mommy Professors: 0!!!  (what a letdown!)
> 
> And all this in only 8 "sentences"...
> 
> The lack of any "Mommy Professors," however, when the inclusion of at least
> one might actually have been "relevant" to his "critique" shows that Bobby
> here is starting to slip.  His posts are becoming less entertaining without
> become more coherent - how sad.  Of course nothing he says is supported with
> any actual evidence, but then Bobby's never seen the need to support his
> assertions in the past so why should he start now?
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


    Gosh, I really am worried to death about some clone's statement that
I'm not living up to his standards.


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Stephen Johnston wrote:
> 
> gimp@interstat.net (fuckup) wrote:
> 
> >Jared See  wrote:
> 
> >>Aaron wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In article <54hco6$lnp@scratchy.mosquito.com>, gimp@interstat.net says...
> >>> >
> >>> >"Hitler was just an in-tune guy that wanted to level the karma of the
> >>> >Jews."
> >>> >
> >>> >- Charles Manson
> >>> >
> >>> >Charlie is right about this.  The Jews did have too much power before
> >>> >Hitler took over and he wanted to set shit straight.  I'm not a
> >>> >holocaust denier, but I know that six million didn't die.  Hitler did
> >>> >have a bunch of the dirty bastards exterminated and I'm not sure if he
> >>> >was right for doing it.  I often wonder why he fell.  I wonder if he
> >>> >got it in the ass for what he did the the Jews?  I doubt it though
> >>> >because everyone knows that God hates the Jews.  Maybe he just fucked
> >>> >up, but I doubt it.  I think something beyond his control made him
> >>> >fuck up.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> God hates the Jews??? Gee, I guess you never knew that the Jews were the
> >>> first race to believe in the idea of one god. I guess that also means you
> >>> never knew that Christianity and Islam are derived from the the beliefs of
> >>> Judaism. I hope you do know that Jesus Christ lived and died as a Jew. It
> >>> wasn't until years later that the Europeans decided to start a religion under
> >>> his name. Get your facts straight before you end up looking foolish. You're a
> >>> fuckin' redneck.
> 
> >>Yeah, I agree, this guy is a redneck. However, if you read your Old
> >>Testament carefully, you will find that Judaism (at least according to
> >>the Bible) is the practice of monolatry rather than monotheism. In the
> >>scriptures, the Israelites believe that other gods exist and have power,
> >>but that their covenant is with YHWH alone. Read Deuteronomy if you don't
> >>believe me. I don't have the line and verse in front of me right now, but
> >>if anyone cares I will find it and post it later...
> 
> >>                                              FESTER
> 
> >I'm a redneck?  How do you figure?  I always thought rednecks were
> >poor white people from the south who talked kinda funny.  Please
> >define redneck.
> 
> A redneck is an ignorant piece of shit, regardless of where they come
> from or what the color of their skin may be
> Stephen Johnston
> Sr. Editor/Page Layout Designer
> GAINSAY e-zine
> http://www.gainsay.com


   Redneck is what Politically Correct peole call any white man with
balls.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Nov 10 07:01:37 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Would you like to discuss the evidence that human "races" are (or are not)
> monophyletic, Mr. Whit?  Or compare heterozygosity and mtDNA maximum
> divergence among human "races" and among subspecies of other primates?



    Nobody's impressed.  Are you going to start signing your stuff,
"PhD" now?



> 
> Or perhaps you would care to explain how you confuse immigration and
> integration the way you do?
> 
> Or maybe you'll tell me what currently unclaimed and uninhabited piece
> of the world you and your fellow racists think you could take over as
> a "white homeland"?
> 
> Nah.  It'll be more politically correct blah blah mommy professor
> blah blah blah clones blah blah Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million
> Jews blah blah blah.
> 
> By the way, are you a member of the National Alliance?
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman



Boy, you really have sunk to the bottom, haven't you?


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John C. Stephens III wrote:
> 
> I notice that Ann Daltyn never made it on the list of candidates for
> the Order of the Boot.  Should we start a new ban proposal or keep her
> around as a war trophy?
> 
> John


    Your fellow Politically Correct clones have been insisting that they
know all socialists are not Communists and all racists are not Nazis. 
That was after I called them on it, of course.
    They claim you never say Nazi like this.


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Mike S. Medintz wrote:
> 
> Whilst completely naked, John C. Stephens III said unto us:
> 
> >I notice that Ann Daltyn never made it on the list of candidates for
> >the Order of the Boot.  Should we start a new ban proposal or keep her
> >around as a war trophy?

John C. Stephens III wrote:
> 
> I notice that Ann Daltyn never made it on the list of candidates for
> the Order of the Boot.  Should we start a new ban proposal or keep her
> around as a war trophy?
> 
> John


    Your fellow Politically Correct clones have been insisting that they
know all socialists are not Communists and all racists are not Nazis. 
That was after I called them on it, of course.
    They claim you never say Nazi like this.



> 
> Let's show her the door. If my GF sound that I was keeping nazoids as pets,
> she'd be pissed.
> 
> --
> Mike S. Medintz :"And the good lord giveth, and he taketh away,
>                 : and the restless shall go, and the faithful shall stay
> KB9ODS          :...and the rain came down."-Steve Earle, poet.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Nov 10 12:06:54 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
> 
> >   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
> 
> >   This solution may not be practicable in regard to the USA. The USA should
> >  be divided into several independent ethnic countries which gradually should
> >  be made ethnic homogenous. (Through the exchange of the population)
> 
>         You are an amazing little animal, nazi boy.  This might come as a schock
> to you but, by and large, Americans are quite happy with out country.
> 
>         Please do your nazi routine about your own country.
> 
>         --YFE


    You do love to scream Nazi at everybody, don't you?
    Did you ever read the story about The Boy Who Cried Wolf?


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
> 
> :  This solution may not be practicable in regard to the USA. The USA should
> : be divided into several independent ethnic countries which gradually should
> : be made ethnic homogenous. (Through the exchange of the population)
> 
> Sorry, Ole; we're not into that here.
> 
> So--you gonna come conquer us?
> 
> Bill


   Anderson is a Politically Correct anti-white white, and therefore
presumes to speak for everybody.  He doesn't mind ethnic separation for
anyone but whites: Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, and all
white majority countries for everybody.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Nov 10 12:13:27 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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KarenX wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > Philip Kremer wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <32783E5D.C5F@conterra.com>,
> > > Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> > > >    And in the real world, only white majority countries are being argument, which
> > > >immigrated and integratd out of existence.
> > >
> > > Hmmm...  can you give us an example?
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, I will point out some non-white majority CONTINENTS that were
> > > immigrated almost (not quite totally) out of existence:  Australia, most
> > > of North America, ...
> >
> >        The last paragraph is part of your standard Politically Correct
> > reply to the obvious fact that you push immigration and integration for
> > all white majority countries...
> 
> 
> 
> Bob...you made a statement that you were not able to substantiate, but
> when clear evidence of the OPPOSITE of your statement was offered...you
> start ranting about immigration and PC, etc.  Where is the evidence of
> what you claim as truth?


     The nice thing about being Politically Correct is that you can
believe exactly what you want to.  So  you can demand that every white
majority country accept endless third world immigration, and demand that
only white majority countries do it, and then sincerely say you never
heard of such a thing.
      You folks can insist that no one was ever imprisoned for saying
the wrong things under Hate Laws throughout the world, and you can
sincerely say that a professor who pronounces anything about race that
is heresy to Political Correctness has no problem at all.  You have
insisted all these things.
     That is your reality.  I am talking to people who live in the same
reality I do, where all this is unmitigated crap.


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Karriem O. Lateef wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :     And in the real world, only white majority countries are being
> : immigrated and integratd out of existence.
> 
> The United States was a Native American majority country before white
> people immigrated and integrated and raped, murdered, killed and poisoned
> them out of existence.
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Karriem O. Lateef
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> klateef@mail.sas.upenn.edu                    |
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------


     That is half of the Politicallly Correct argument.  You Politically
Correct people argue that the white race deserves being destroyed by you
because 1) there is no white race and 2) the white race deserves it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Nov 10 12:53:58 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> More fulminations from the fevered neronal clump named Bob Whitaker:
> 
> >Actually, i am dealing with you Politically Coirrect types on your
> >own very, very superficial level.
> 
> Actually, a really clever person might well have concluded that there's
> little evidence for much agreement by the persons discussing race and
> genetics here beyond a possible agreement that you've demonstrated no
> familiarity with any of the issues being discussed, and that you've got
> this tendency to use phrases like "Politically Coirrect" [sic] when you
> have nothing of substance to say.
> 
> >Your clones predictably insisted that all true authorities in
> >academia agreed that all races do not exist, that all racies are equal,
> >taht all races are absolutely anything Political Correctness requires,
> >when it requires it.  I explained that since it is regular policy to
> >deny tenure to young professors who commit heresy inthese areas, and to
> >actually imprison people in Europe for racial heresy, this was no
> >surprise.
> 
> Your reading comprehension seems a trifle lacking here. For those of us
> not living on Planet Bob, what seems apparent is that you've made both
> claims and not come with a single bit of evidence to support that view.
> Zip. Nada. Zilch.
> 
> >Clones cannot answer that, so in ordeer to argue it they had to
> >come up with authorities who disagreed with Political Correctness,
> >assuming their original contention would thereforeew be consigned to the
> >Memory Hole, as it is in your Politically Correct circles. In short, you
> >are not used to being called on things, and you get to forget anything
> >that is inconvenient.
> 
> I'm sure that there are folks who'd *love* to be challenged. You may have
> noticef that several of the interlocuters have done exactly *that.* But
> (and here's the secret part, Bob) in order to *do* that, one must be
> prepared to back the assertions you make. You've not done so. I'm really
> curious about why that should be so difficult. All you have to do is to
> give us the *name* of one of your authorities "fired" for their views on
> race. Of course, your assertion will be a little tougher to prove since
> a couple of folks here have actually given *you* the names of folks whose
> views *are* considered questionable who have *not* been fired. You getting
> the hang of this, Bob? Remember that sequence: Assertion-Evidence-Rebuttal.
> 

   What I did was what I normally do: use your own Doublethink against
you.  Your clones' argument was originally that all authorities agreed
with them.  Knowing how you think, which is always predictable, I got
you to name authorities who did not.
   You are used to a Politically Correct environment, where such
Doublethink never gets challenged, so now you think you can forget you
ever claimed everybody agree with you there is no such thin as race, all
race are equal, and all the other stuff you repeat.
    You want me to deal with you as if you were actually saying
something logical and original, instead of just regurgitating Political
Coorectness, and I won't do it.



> You've forgotten 2 and 3.
> 
> >Having said that all the authorities, when told by Politically
> >Correct people to jump, only asked "How high?", you now start giving me
> >authorities who defy them.  If I had palyed your usual game of competing
> >with you in quoting your captive authorities, I would not have gotten
> >this clear self-contradiction from you.
> 
> The pesky business for you here is that the "authorities who deny them" refutes
> your claim that anyone who holds a controversial view is fired. Since those
> folks still have their jobs, your initial claim has been shown to be false.
> Those things around your ankles are your pants, oh Whitless one. Would you
> care to either modify your initial claim (i.e. "Some persons who hold
> unpopular views have been fired) and name some names? I thought not
> 
> >You are now appealing to those who cannot see this
> >contradiction.  IO say screw it, you're welcome to them.
> 
> What sort of academic *were* you supposed to be, anyhow? It sure can't
> have been anything that required a grasp of logic, rhetoric, or grammar....
> 
> Rejoice always,
> Gregory
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


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Peter Nosko wrote:
> 
> frank@clark.net wrote in article <5629u0$2ng@clarknet.clark.net>...
> > Ron Kephart (rkephart@osprey.unf.edu) wrote:
> > : Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk ("Duncan R. MacMillan") wrote:
> > : >
> > : >   I get the impression that a lot of people who rubbish "The Bell
> Curve"
> > : > seem to think that IQ was used to assign the subjects to their racial
> groups,
> > : > instead of the other way round.
> > :
> > : No, that's not the problem.  The problem with the Bell Curve and other
> > : pseudo scientific attempts to correlate "race" and "IQ" is that people
> > : are assigned to "races" based on the US folk racial taxonomy, and then
> > : differences (real or otherwise) between these groups are projected
> > : onto their biology.  The groups are NOT biological, but CULTURAL
> > : constructs, and thus the conclusion that differences in "IQ" reflect
> > : differences in genetics is wrong, wrong, wrong.
> >
> > We seem to be getting no closer in finding out what the race deniers
> > are denying than before. But even if we do find out, folk races differ
> > from one another genetically, even if they do not precisely correspond to
> > races, whatever they are, as biologists might define them. If we were to
> > define the race of Evens as those who have even Social Security numbers
> > and Odds with Social Security numbers, these races would indeed have
> > nothing to do with genetics. And the average IQs would not differ
> > significantly either.
> >
> > I do wish you would answer the basic question of what it is that the race
> > deniers are denying *before* you make the denial!
> 
> Frank, you either haven't been paying enough attention to the thread or
> joined it late.  Ron did in fact already answer "the basic question" back
> on 10/21.  For your benefit, here it is again.
> 
> Ron Kephart  wrote in article
> <54fpph$a9m@pelican.unf.edu>...
> > hegeman@wchat.on.ca (Toby Cockcroft) wrote:
> >
> > > What are the race deniers denying is your question and the answer is
> the
> > > whole notion of 'race'.
> >
> > Let me come in here with one important qualification to the above.
> > We, as anthropologists, are denying that it is possible to
> > organize the present world-wide population of Homo sapiens sapiens
> > into discrete "racial" categories in any scientific and biologically
> > meaningful way.  For us a much more interesting and biologically
> > meaningful question is "In what ways does this world-wide population
> > vary, and what are the adaptive advantages for that variation, if
> > any?"
> 
> [Ron-- not that you aren't capable of handling this; you are one of the few
> involved in this thread making good use of the bandwidth.  I just happened
> to have your prior post handy.]
> 
> --
> Peter Nosko
> pete@technologist.com
> Race is a Pigment of the Imagination


       Isn't it nice that all anthropologists -- he does claim to be
speaking for all anthropologists here -- just happen to be Politically
Correct.
	Isn't it nice that anthropologists are always fortunate in that their
"science" always happes to be Politically Correct?  Under Stalin, their
"science" was for Lysencko, in Nazi Germany, for Hitler's theories, good
white racists in the '20's, and 100% simon-pure Poltiical Correctness
today.
        Anthropologists sure are a lucky bunch o f objective scientists!


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 11 07:08:17 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article , mross@goldengate.net wrote:
> 
> *Kamikazes were not desperate???  On what planet?  They were only used
> *at the end of the war and only out of complete desperation.  And they
> *were _not_ very effective at all.
> 
> They were used during the Pearl Harbor attack, and one of the reasons
> (given by the U.S. government at the time, so it is questionable, but I'll
> mention it anyway) for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was because
> they felt that Japan, given the fact that men willingly and happily went
> to their deaths as Kamikazes (thanks for the spelling correction) meant
> that there was no way U.S. ground forces could win the war -- it had to be
> complete devestation from the air.  It has been my understanding that
> Kamikazes were not desperate, that they willingly accepted their fates for
> the "greater good," and were effective, especially and most frighteningly
> evident at Pearl Harbor.
> 
> *> It has to do with the mindset of the
> *>people.  The fact is, the Palestinians and the Israelis do it to each
> *>other.  Niether is the innocent victim, and neither is the hero.
> *
> *Well, you're right about that, though.
> 
> Thank you!!  Finally... someone with some actual knowledge!!
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."


   Kamikazis were not used at Pearl Harbor


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Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> Another amusing article which only PC bigots can bring:
> 
> In article <55rlt9$6et@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net bringing
> all his reasoning power together, says...
> >
> >In article , holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> >>In article <55n3p5$aom@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan
> >>Matthews) wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <327D0EB1.4FD7@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>> >   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
> >>> >right if you're going to make a living that way.
> >>>
> >>> Given that you're almost always wrong I doubt this is how you actually make
> >>> your "living."
> >>
> >>Notice that he used the *past* tense.
> >
> >Ok, you're right; he did.  So just look at my questions as asking about his
> >past and not his present.   Or can't your mighty Aryan brain handle that?
> >The fact the Booby has remained silent on his politcal and academic
> >experiences only lends credence to my supposition that his has none to speak of



    This is aimed at whoever wrote the quoted line above.
    I didn't see the original of this string, so I am answering this
particular absurdity here.   
    Go to your local library, take out *The New Right Papers*, look at
the dust jacket, and you will see all you need to know about me as to my
qualifications.
    Oh, I forgot, only the Politically Correct types are allowed to
demand people look up things.       


     
> >
> Dissension in the ranks again?
> 
> You have just harangued a possible ally.
> 
> >>We have spoken.
> >
> >So that's what the smell is.  I thought you'd farted.  Its hard to tell the
> >difference.  Besides, what's this 'we' stuff - you got more than one
> >personality banging around inside your empty skull?
> >
> >>Eugene the Curly-headed
> >>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> >>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.
> >
> >ROTFL!  The "king" of a newsgroup, etc, etc?  What an inflated opinion of
> >himself this white power ranger has!  And just what have you done to "protect"
> >us white folk and "defend" the English language?
> >
> It's sarcasm, but not that someone with a vacant mind would know.
> 
> >BTW, there are some Aryans around here who would say your hair disqualifies
> >you from membership is their "exclusive" little group.
> >
> Eugene Holman is Black.
> 
> Who has egg on their face?
> 
> Thanks for the laugh at your expense again.
> 
> Ourobouros.


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John Mitchell wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith wrote:
> >
> > John Mitchell  wrote:
> >
> > >You might try reading reading Stephen Jay Gould's "Mismeasure of Man" and
> > >Steve Jones's "The Language of Genes". The so called races have no
> > >scientific basis. Anyways, the achievements of individual scientists and
> > >mathematicians belong soley to themselves and not to their so called
> > >"races", religion or whatever.
> >
> > You should read Dr. Baker's _Race_ and distinguished Harvard
> > geneticist Ruggles _Pedigrees of Negro Families_.  The liberal myth
> > that races do not exist is a great canard of political correctness.
> > The differences are both obvious to the naked eye and inheres in
> > various genetic markers and disease immunities.
> 
> There is no widespread acceptance of Dr Baker's or Mr Ruggles's theories.
> Even famous scientists have to convince fellow scientists of the validity
> of their claims.
> 
> >
> > Brian Smith
> > www.natall.com


     There was no widespread argument with Lysencko's theories in
Stalinist Russia, either.   What's your point?


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Ron Kephart wrote:
> 
> Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk ("Duncan R. MacMillan") wrote:
> 
> >       However, I might add, that once it is established that any attribute
> > (e.g. IQ) has different means for different races, however these races are
> > defined, then this attribute (e.g. IQ) can itself be used as another racial
> > marker for these same race groups, should you so desire.
> 
> No, it cannot, because the assumption that the attribute of "IQ" is a
> "racial" i.e. genetically coded for attribute is not proven.
> 
> In other words, it is probably true, as claimed in the Bell Curve,
> that people who are identified (or identify themselves) as belonging
> to black, white, and asian "races" perform differently on "IQ" tests.
> However, these "racial" groups are not biologically valid, so the
> "IQ" differences cannot be attributed to biology.  The differences
> can be explained entirely by sociocultural factors.
> 
> Suppose you found a significant difference in the attribute "height"
> between two "races".  Does that mean that height can be considered a
> "racial" attribute for these two groups?  Not if you discover that
> one of the groups, as it happens the one with the lower mean height,
> has on average lower income, and therefore poorer nutrition, medical
> care, etc., than the "taller race".  In this (hypothetical) case the
> difference in mean height between the two groups is explained by
> sociocultural factors.
> 
> Actually, it's not that hypothetical.  Franz Boaz published a study on
> European immigrants and their children living in New York way back
> about 1911, I think, in which he showed that the children born in New
> York of immigrants born in Europe changed "races" due to different
> diets, etc.  I can't recall the exact title right now, and the ref is
> in my office, but it shouldn't be too hard to find.
> 
> The sad thing is that Boaz knew this in 1911, but we are still mired
> in trying to get the message out to people who apparently cannot
> live without the folk taxonomy.  Sort of like the creation-evolution
> debate, isn't it?
> 
> Ron Kephart
> University of North Florida


    If you will check a phenomenon called mean regression, you will find
that IQ difference is in fact part of the RACIAL difference between
blacks and whites.
   Franz Boas' theory that a raceless animal called Modern Man pospped
up 30,000 years ago is a joke.


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carl skutsch wrote:
> 
> IQ tests do not measure intelligence, rather, they measure how well one
> can do on an IQ test.  Many people show a remarkably naive faith in the
> ability of learned men in white lab coats to determine what intelligence
> is thru an arbitrary set of questions.  I do very well on standarized
> tests, this does not mean that I am intelligent (although, of course, I
> am); it does mean that I feel relaxed in a testing environment, that I'm
> well educated, and perhaps that I have some basic 'extra' degree of smarts.
> I'm not saying there is no such thing as intelligence, I am merely
> suggesting that it is a much more complex entity than many people seem
> to think, and that we are far from being able to accurately quantify it.
> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
> http://members.aol.com/zenfrycook/carl.html


    OH, HORSESHIT!
    None of the clones who insist IQ is  meaningless would let anybody
try for one of their precious PhD's who did not have an IQ of at least
120.
    Get off it!


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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <3284C5CF.240D@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >Boy, you really have sunk to the bottom, haven't you?
> 
> Fortunately, Booby, you and the other white power scum occupy that position.
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


    You mean I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews?
    How original!


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frank@clark.net wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> : Would you like to discuss the evidence that human "races" are (or are not)
> : monophyletic, Mr. Whit?  Or compare heterozygosity and mtDNA maximum
> : divergence among human "races" and among subspecies of other primates?
> 
> Don't know about Mr. Bob, but *I* would certainly like to discuss these
> things. That's why I started the thread in the first place.


      I notice you're not doing so


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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> More fulminations from the fevered neronal clump named Bob Whitaker:
> 
> >Actually, i am dealing with you Politically Coirrect types on your
> >own very, very superficial level.
> 
> Actually, a really clever person might well have concluded that there's
> little evidence for much agreement by the persons discussing race and
> genetics here beyond a possible agreement that you've demonstrated no
> familiarity with any of the issues being discussed, and that you've got
> this tendency to use phrases like "Politically Coirrect" [sic] when you
> have nothing of substance to say.
> 
> >Your clones predictably insisted that all true authorities in
> >academia agreed that all races do not exist, that all racies are equal,
> >taht all races are absolutely anything Political Correctness requires,
> >when it requires it.  I explained that since it is regular policy to
> >deny tenure to young professors who commit heresy inthese areas, and to
> >actually imprison people in Europe for racial heresy, this was no
> >surprise.
> 
> Your reading comprehension seems a trifle lacking here. For those of us
> not living on Planet Bob, what seems apparent is that you've made both
> claims and not come with a single bit of evidence to support that view.
> Zip. Nada. Zilch.
> 
> >Clones cannot answer that, so in ordeer to argue it they had to
> >come up with authorities who disagreed with Political Correctness,
> >assuming their original contention would thereforeew be consigned to the
> >Memory Hole, as it is in your Politically Correct circles. In short, you
> >are not used to being called on things, and you get to forget anything
> >that is inconvenient.
> 
> I'm sure that there are folks who'd *love* to be challenged. You may have
> noticef that several of the interlocuters have done exactly *that.* But
> (and here's the secret part, Bob) in order to *do* that, one must be
> prepared to back the assertions you make. You've not done so. I'm really
> curious about why that should be so difficult. All you have to do is to
> give us the *name* of one of your authorities "fired" for their views on
> race. Of course, your assertion will be a little tougher to prove since
> a couple of folks here have actually given *you* the names of folks whose
> views *are* considered questionable who have *not* been fired. You getting
> the hang of this, Bob? Remember that sequence: Assertion-Evidence-Rebuttal.
> 

   What I did was what I normally do: use your own Doublethink against
you.  Your clones' argument was originally that all authorities agreed
with them.  Knowing how you think, which is always predictable, I got
you to name authorities who did not.
   You are used to a Politically Correct environment, where such
Doublethink never gets challenged, so now you think you can forget you
ever claimed everybody agree with you there is no such thin as race, all
race are equal, and all the other stuff you repeat.
    You want me to deal with you as if you were actually saying
something logical and original, instead of just regurgitating Political
Coorectness, and I won't do it.



> You've forgotten 2 and 3.
> 
> >Having said that all the authorities, when told by Politically
> >Correct people to jump, only asked "How high?", you now start giving me
> >authorities who defy them.  If I had palyed your usual game of competing
> >with you in quoting your captive authorities, I would not have gotten
> >this clear self-contradiction from you.
> 
> The pesky business for you here is that the "authorities who deny them" refutes
> your claim that anyone who holds a controversial view is fired. Since those
> folks still have their jobs, your initial claim has been shown to be false.
> Those things around your ankles are your pants, oh Whitless one. Would you
> care to either modify your initial claim (i.e. "Some persons who hold
> unpopular views have been fired) and name some names? I thought not
> 
> >You are now appealing to those who cannot see this
> >contradiction.  IO say screw it, you're welcome to them.
> 
> What sort of academic *were* you supposed to be, anyhow? It sure can't
> have been anything that required a grasp of logic, rhetoric, or grammar....
> 
> Rejoice always,
> Gregory
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 11 10:10:56 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
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Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> Another amusing article which only PC bigots can bring:
> 
> In article <55rlt9$6et@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net bringing
> all his reasoning power together, says...
> >
> >In article , holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> >>In article <55n3p5$aom@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan
> >>Matthews) wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <327D0EB1.4FD7@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>> >   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
> >>> >right if you're going to make a living that way.
> >>>
> >>> Given that you're almost always wrong I doubt this is how you actually make
> >>> your "living."
> >>
> >>Notice that he used the *past* tense.
> >
> >Ok, you're right; he did.  So just look at my questions as asking about his
> >past and not his present.   Or can't your mighty Aryan brain handle that?
> >The fact the Booby has remained silent on his politcal and academic
> >experiences only lends credence to my supposition that his has none to speak of



    This is aimed at whoever wrote the quoted line above.
    I didn't see the original of this string, so I am answering this
particular absurdity here.   
    Go to your local library, take out *The New Right Papers*, look at
the dust jacket, and you will see all you need to know about me as to my
qualifications.
    Oh, I forgot, only the Politically Correct types are allowed to
demand people look up things.       


     
> >
> Dissension in the ranks again?
> 
> You have just harangued a possible ally.
> 
> >>We have spoken.
> >
> >So that's what the smell is.  I thought you'd farted.  Its hard to tell the
> >difference.  Besides, what's this 'we' stuff - you got more than one
> >personality banging around inside your empty skull?
> >
> >>Eugene the Curly-headed
> >>King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> >>Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.
> >
> >ROTFL!  The "king" of a newsgroup, etc, etc?  What an inflated opinion of
> >himself this white power ranger has!  And just what have you done to "protect"
> >us white folk and "defend" the English language?
> >
> It's sarcasm, but not that someone with a vacant mind would know.
> 
> >BTW, there are some Aryans around here who would say your hair disqualifies
> >you from membership is their "exclusive" little group.
> >
> Eugene Holman is Black.
> 
> Who has egg on their face?
> 
> Thanks for the laugh at your expense again.
> 
> Ourobouros.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <3284C5CF.240D@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >Boy, you really have sunk to the bottom, haven't you?
> 
> Fortunately, Booby, you and the other white power scum occupy that position.
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


    You mean I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews?
    How original!


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frank@clark.net wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> : Would you like to discuss the evidence that human "races" are (or are not)
> : monophyletic, Mr. Whit?  Or compare heterozygosity and mtDNA maximum
> : divergence among human "races" and among subspecies of other primates?
> 
> Don't know about Mr. Bob, but *I* would certainly like to discuss these
> things. That's why I started the thread in the first place.


      I notice you're not doing so


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 13 06:27:48 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Fergus McClelland  wrote:
> >schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
> >>Are you implying that gassing is an appropriate method to deal with people
> >>who notify others of law-breakers?
> >I do not think so, but, as you well know, there are many that do.
> >
> >> Careful, Mr. McClelland, your white
> >>sheet is showing.
> >I don't know what you mean, In England we sleep on sheets, please
> >elucidate.
> 
> Are you just ignorant of the reference Sara makes, or is this a pathetic
> attempt at humour? Maybe your hopelessness has something to do with that
> school you attended which you keep harping on about.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


     The sheets reference accuses you of being a member of the Ku Klux
Klan, which is another version of their accusing you of being A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  It's a standard Politically Correct
clone statement they use against pretty well everybody.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:34:58 -0500
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> [snipped]
> >> Ouch! (Do you Stephen Leacock's story about being beaten to the pun
> >> ch by a Doctor of Divinity?)
> >>
> >> Cheeres,
> >> Fragano
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> >> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu
> >
> >
> >     A general question one deals with is nature versus nurture, or
> >heredity versus environment.   "Nurture" includes all the social
> >sciences, education, psychology, psychiatry, and everything which tries
> >to shape the human animal beyond genes and congenital characteristics.
> >     "Nurture"is the biggest industry on earth.  Hundreds of billions of
> >dollars, iof not trillions, are spent on it.   Every teacher is a full
> >time provider of services whose importance is directly related to the
> >importance of nurture versus nature.
> 
> Since we can influence nurture much more than nature (by which I assume
> you mean the genotype) then this isn't really surprising is it?
> 
> >     Oddly enough, every university is a stronghold of nurture over
> >nature.  Political Correctness declares heresity to be a creature of
> >Hitler.
> 
> That's right, there are no Universities researching nature (=genetics?).
> 
> Pretty obsessed with Hitler and Nazi's aren't you Bob, you hardly ever
> make a post without mentioning them.
> 
> >     No one here would expect most doctors to be fair in their
> >assessment of socialized medicine, yet they act as if social scientists
> >and teachers would be objective about heredity versus environment.
> >     But if one makes his or her living from curture, it is eomthing I
> >would like to know, because there is no way for such a person to be
> >objective.
> 
> Wow, from an ex-professor, is this the best he can do regarding a look
> at science.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


   I've seen it up close: environment determines the importance of
social sciences, and social sciences are fanatically for nurture over
nature.
    All university departments dealing with the question of heredity
versus environment, such as anthropology or bilogy, is required to be
absolutely Politically Correct  on heredity versus environment.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Brian Smith is Kurt Stele??
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> In message <55n5si$aom@orion.cybercom.net> - amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan
> Matthews)Tue, 05 Nov 96 10:45:36 GMT writes:
> :>
> :>In article <55m0m3$3o2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> :>>In article <55lkue$3m2@is05.micron.net>,
> :>>sbrian@micron.net (Brian "Kurt Stele"  Smith) wrote:
> :>>>LOL!  I love it when Nizkor accuses you of being 2 people!
> :>>
> :>>Mr. Smith is one person. He uses two userids. Nizkor has not
> :>>said otherwise. Poor Mr. Smith... still has reading
> :>>comprehension problems.
> :>
> :>Where is your proof that Mr. Smith and Mr. Stele are the same person?  If I
> :>rememer correctly, you also accused Mr. Stele of being Matt Giwer.  So, which
> :>is it?  You didn't provide any proof for your previous "Kurt Stele"
> :>identification.  Why should we believe you are correct this time?  Please post
> :>your evidence or publicly retract this assertion and admit its baselessness.
> 
> Rich Graves has already posted some of the evidence, along with a reference to
> DejaNews for an example of Brian posting under Kurt's ID.  One further
> clarification.  I believe it was I who accused Stele of being Giwer.  Mr.
> McVay has never made that accusation, as far as I am aware; in fact, he and
> several others disagreed with me when I made my post.
> 
> :>Of course, now that I've criticized you, the next thing I know you'll be
> :>accusing me of being Kurt Stele or the Giwer-Swine or Ol' Burro's Ass or...
> 
> Nope.  I suspect you are Allan Matthews.  :-)
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time


      I see you are using the old tactic of avoiding dealing with any
points that have been made by talking about personalities.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <327E2097.8B0@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> ::John Mitchell wrote:
> 
> ::> You might try reading reading Stephen Jay Gould's "Mismeasure of Man" and
> ::> Steve Jones's "The Language of Genes". The so called races have no
> ::> scientific basis. Anyways, the achievements of individual scientists and
> ::> mathematicians belong soley to themselves and not to their so called
> ::> "races", religion or whatever.
> ::
> ::What you say is Politically Correct, and anyone who disagrees with
> ::it inside a university is in deep, deep trouble.  This not only doesn't
> ::mean it's true, a free man would doubt it all the more for that reason.
> 
> Well, what free man (person?) is afraid that open expression of their opinions
> might cause others to express disagreement? The universities are places where
> ideas are debated and challenged with other ideas. Someone who is afraid that
> their opinions might be challenged is already in deep, deep trouble.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


     You are actually stating that Politically Correct university
faculties are really devoted to freedom of expression and open debate.
	You probably believed that Communist governments were dedicated to
Peace and freedom too, eh?


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 13 06:58:53 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What does Brian Smith want that is different from what Hitler wanted?
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Brian Smith wrote:
> 
> jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh) wrote:
> 
> >In article <55hphb$4nb@is05.micron.net>,
> >   sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> >::The Jews immediately claim "that's what Hitler
> >::wanted!" in order to marginalize and neutralize any resistance to
> >::non-White immigration.
> >::
> >::Brian Smith
> >::www.natall.com
> 
> >As a non-Jew who has accused you of wanting what Hitler wanted, I have
> >repeated invited you to list everything Hitler did which in your opinion was
> >immoral or otherwise wrong.
> 
> The historical figure of Hitler has been so deluged by a flood of
> dinsinformation, rumor, and lies, that your question is almost per se
> worthless.  A better question would be:
> 
> What does the White Nationalist movement want?
> 
> We want a separate White homeland to halt the ongoing eradication of
> Whites by non-White engulfment and miscegenation.  We believe the
> races are different and that the original races were molded by
> evolutionary forces, which impacted differently on the races according
> to geography and the consequent challenges each race faced. As a
> result, the White race developed unique racial characteristics and
> unique racial identity and the Black race its own as well.   White
> nationalists value their race and do not wish its unique identity and
> abilities to be destroyed, which will occur if the White race is mixed
> with non-Whites.
> 
> Brian Smith
> www.natall.com


     All socialists are not communists, and all racists are not nazis.  
     When I made that point, all the clones said of course they knew
that and they never call people nazis just because they're racists. 
Which, as usual, is not true.  
     In a little time, the dog returns to his vomit and the sow returns
to her mire, and the Politically Correct types go back to saying anyone
who disagrees with them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 13 06:58:54 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Diversity  does NOT means defeat of any race
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Brian Smith wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >John Mitchell wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian Smith wrote:
> >> >
> >> > John Mitchell  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >You might try reading reading Stephen Jay Gould's "Mismeasure of Man" and
> >> > >Steve Jones's "The Language of Genes". The so called races have no
> >> > >scientific basis. Anyways, the achievements of individual scientists and
> >> > >mathematicians belong soley to themselves and not to their so called
> >> > >"races", religion or whatever.
> >> >
> >> > You should read Dr. Baker's _Race_ and distinguished Harvard
> >> > geneticist Ruggles _Pedigrees of Negro Families_.  The liberal myth
> >> > that races do not exist is a great canard of political correctness.
> >> > The differences are both obvious to the naked eye and inheres in
> >> > various genetic markers and disease immunities.
> >>
> >> There is no widespread acceptance of Dr Baker's or Mr Ruggles's theories.
> >> Even famous scientists have to convince fellow scientists of the validity
> >> of their claims.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Brian Smith
> >> > www.natall.com
> 
> >     There was no widespread argument with Lysencko's theories in
> >Stalinist Russia, either.   What's your point?
> 
> Liberals evidently think if something is widely accepted by the
> politically correct academic establishment, that this is somehow per
> se evidence of its truth.
> 
> Brian Smith
> www.natall.com




     I doubt is any adult who is not mentally retarded actually BELIEVES
that, but you're right, that's what they say they believe.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <5629u0$2ng@clarknet.clark.net>, frank@clark.net () wrote:
> > Ron Kephart (rkephart@osprey.unf.edu) wrote:
> >
> > : Of course, there is also a problem with the whole concept of "IQ" and
> > : the notion that it represents anything more than performance on a test
> > : which happens to be called an "IQ Test."
> >
> > May I ask you why anyone would administer these tests if they had
> > *nothing* to do with anything beyond the tests themselves?
> 
> Because we like to split people into meaningless little categories?
> Because the people that decides to administer the tests in the first place
> enjoyed the idea of creating a limited time "test" that could easily turn
> individuals with creative abilities into numbers on a scale based on their
> ability to answer highly specific and ethnocentric questions?
> Maybe?
> :)
> Cynthia


    OH, HORSESHIT!
    Please see my reply to this same crap to the Matthews clone above.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Well, I posted this weeks ago, and it was a response to your
> excitement when I posted a list of names of people who are
> tenured university faculty engaged in and publishing racist
> science and/or philosophy.  If you want to track it backwards,
> try Dejanews.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Mommy Professor
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    Just resist your habit of cutting everything out, and there won't be
any confusion.


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John Mitchell wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > John Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > John Mitchell  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >You might try reading reading Stephen Jay Gould's "Mismeasure of Man" and
> > > > >Steve Jones's "The Language of Genes". The so called races have no
> > > > >scientific basis. Anyways, the achievements of individual scientists and
> > > > >mathematicians belong soley to themselves and not to their so called
> > > > >"races", religion or whatever.
> > > >
> > > > You should read Dr. Baker's _Race_ and distinguished Harvard
> > > > geneticist Ruggles _Pedigrees of Negro Families_.  The liberal myth
> > > > that races do not exist is a great canard of political correctness.
> > > > The differences are both obvious to the naked eye and inheres in
> > > > various genetic markers and disease immunities.
> > >
> > > There is no widespread acceptance of Dr Baker's or Mr Ruggles's theories.
> > > Even famous scientists have to convince fellow scientists of the validity
> > > of their claims.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Brian Smith
> > > > www.natall.com
> >
> >      There was no widespread argument with Lysencko's theories in
> > Stalinist Russia, either.   What's your point?
> 
> Maybe for a short time. It was discredited in the rest of the world.
> 
> Brian Smith's argument seems to be as follows:
> 
> 1. Einstein was a genius.
> 2. Einstein was white
> 3. His conclusion: All whites are geniuses.
> 
> He must feel so inadequate that he has to steal the laurels of others to
> prove the superiority of himself.

  That line has been used to death.   Everybody who disagreees with
Political Correctness has an inferiority complex and hundreds of other
evil things, including halitosis and tired blood.
   It feels a lot better to say that than to admit you're backing an
intellectual tyranny, doesn't it?


> 
> If the history of US immigration is studied dispassionately you will see
> at various times Catholics, Italians, Irish, Polish, Jewish, etc. were
> all considered inferior and were considered to lower the tone of US
> population.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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an_american wrote:
> 
> Bless you Kate for your strength and for standing up for truth and
> justice: two great American traditions.
> 
> As for the blood sucking Smith and his fellow subhuman garbage:
> If only we could transport YOU back in time to Auschwitz and make YOU the tortured
> and emaciated prisoner with YOUR family dying in the chambers.... then
> I think you might think twice about all this.
> 
> -an_american
> 
> In article 1111960126410001@198.68.190.10, kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) writes:
> > In article <56393i$aho@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> >
> > *In other words, she has no qualms about responding to other viewpoints
> > *with embittered and irrational ad hominem.
> >
> > In other words, you insult me, my family, my friends, and would just as
> > soon spit on the graves (if there were any graves for them) of my
> > grandfather's family who all... every last one of them still in Hungary...
> > were killed in the nazi death camps.  In other words, you do not simply
> > have "another viewpoint," you are filled with hate and wish to spread that
> > hate to all you meet.  I'm glad you're so proud of your ignorance... but
> > I, for one, think it is truly pathetic.
> >
> > *There is no physical evidence for the Holocaust.  Also, the existence
> > *physical evidence that DOES exist, contradicts the Holocaust.  (For
> > *example, why were there hospitals at the so-called "death camps" if
> > *the Germans were supposedly trying to exterminate?)
> >
> > Bullshit.  There is TONS of physcial evidence, some of which I have
> > repeatedly posted here and it has (not surprisingly) been repeatedly
> > ignored.  Death camps are still standing, mass graves were identified and
> > examined, ghettos were examined and still exist, and I could go on.  The
> > hospitals, obviously, were used for the nazi camp guards and comendants
> > and were also used for the medical experiments on living Jews and
> > physically and mentally diabled people that were interred there.
> >
> >
> > *The amount of gas traces found in the so-called gas chambers, as found
> > *in the Rudolph and Leuchter report, indicate that Zyklon B was only
> > *used as an insecticide:  precisely as it was designed.   However,
> > *truth was in short commodity at the end of WWII where the Allies could
> > *do whatever they wished with their captive German prisoners:
> > *including framing them at the Nuremberg kangaroo court of "justice".
> >
> > You really love the term "kangaroo court," don't you?  Have you ever seen
> > the trials at Nuremburg?  Have you ever seen Goering calmly admitting to
> > the plan to exterminate the Jews and the horrendous treatment of French
> > prisoners of war and civilians?  Have you seen the film footage shown at
> > the trial, so disturbing that one nazi got sick and had to leave the
> > room?  No... I didn't think so.
> >
> > *The eyewitnesses of the Holocaust are hopelessly contradictory.  Many
> > *claims fanciful claims, no long discredited, that Germans were trying
> > *to kill them by electrocution and steaming.   Neither had any physical
> > *evidence.   Neither does extermination by gassing.
> >
> > The eyewitness testimony of the Holocaust, including that of the
> > Survivors, liberators (including Gen. Douglas McArthur) and nazis are
> > corroborative.  You pick up any little inconsistancy (which any testimony
> > of living witnesses will have) and decide that the entire event should be
> > questioned.  REAL historians notice that every eyewitness says they saw
> > the event, they saw people killed, that Jews were the target, that there
> > were mass graves containing emaciated corpses, that there were gas
> > chambers designed to kill large numbers of people at one time, and that
> > the event took place.  We have hundreds of eyewitness testimony from all
> > across the world... how could everyone of those people... including Gen.
> > Douglas McArthur and the liberators... all have gotten together to
> > formulate their answers?  The answer:  it is blatently impossible.  The
> > eyewitness testimony corroborates.  Sorry that is contradictory to your
> > lies.
> >
> > *The so-called "documentation" for the Holocaust is threadbare and all
> > *rely on interpreting a couple of keywords creatively and as
> > *"codewords" -- for which there is no other evidence for such creative
> > *interpretations.
> >
> > Actually, you're wrong on this point, too (as usual).  The documentation
> > on the Holocaust includes blueprints for the death camps (the notes from
> > which I have posted numerous times on this newsgroup and they have been,
> > not surprisingly, completely ignored), plans for liquidation of the
> > ghettos, the plans for the ghettos themselves, and, among many many other
> > things, Hitler's own words in "Mein Kampf" expressing his extreme hatred
> > for the Jews and his belief that WWI could have been avoided were it for
> > someone killing off all of them.  I have printed this cite from "Mein
> > Kampf," also, and that, too, was completely ignored.
> >
> > *Absurd.  There is full documentation for the Revolutionary War and
> > *there is no reason to doubt the Revolutionary War.  There is MUCH
> > *reason to doubt the Holocaust.   Additionally, you may doubt the
> > *Revolutionary War with impunity all you want -- but if you dare doubt
> > *the Holy Holocaust you are met with censure and villification.  They
> > *seem to be hiding something.
> >
> > Do we have any pictures, film footage, living eyewitness testimony or
> > physical evidence?  No?  Do we have all of these things PLUS full
> > documentation of the Holocaust?  Yes?  So why do you not doubt for a
> > second the occurance of the Revolutionary war or the plague that raged
> > through Europe in the late 14th century, yet you doubt the existence of
> > the Holocaust?  You're the one screaming about lack of evidence for the
> > Holocaust.  There is much less to prove that the Revolutionary War or the
> > plague occured.  So why do you, without even thinking about it, believe
> > that those two events occured?  The answer, of course, is that you hate
> > Jews because of your incredible insecurity, immaturity and need to feel
> > like you belong... even if it is with the national alliance.  Get a life,
> > fool.
> >
> > --
> > kate@accessone.com
> >
> > "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
> >           -Headline from "The Onion."


    Here we go again:  anyone who disagrees with this guy is A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 13 06:58:59 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <32875874.697@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : carl skutsch wrote:
> : > IQ tests do not measure intelligence, rather, they measure how well
> : > one can do on an IQ test.  Many people show a remarkably naive faith
> : > in the ability of learned men in white lab coats to determine what
> : > intelligence is thru an arbitrary set of questions.  I do very well
> : > on standarized tests, this does not mean that I am intelligent
> : > (although, of course, I am); it does mean that I feel relaxed in a
> : > testing environment, that I'm well educated, and perhaps that I
> : > have some basic 'extra' degree of smarts.  I'm not saying there is
> : > no such thing as intelligence, I am merely suggesting that it is a
> : > much more complex entity than many people seem to think, and that we
> : > are far from being able to accurately quantify it.
> 
> :     OH, HORSESHIT!
> :     None of the clones who insist IQ is  meaningless would let anybody
> : try for one of their precious PhD's who did not have an IQ of at least
> : 120.
> :     Get off it!
> 
>     Bull shit, Bob.
>     It's really funny how you think a Ph.D is meaningless, but an IQ
> test shows everything, yet they're similar in some regard.  Personally,
> I think a Ph.D. is a better thing than an IQ of, say, 140.  Just like
> four years of straight As in high school is a lot better than a 1500+
> SAT score.


   Why?



>     I've never heard of any case where an IQ test score meant the
> difference between being admitted to a Ph.D. program; maybe you can cite
> one for us, though.
>     Until then: get off it.

   I still think it's cute how little Kasiecki-Brown thinks he can give
me orders.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 13 06:58:59 PST 1996
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Grey wrote:
> 
> >    I think Lincoln put it better.  He said that the white and black
> > races could not be together except in a position of superior and
> > inferior.  He concluded with, "I, as much as any other man, am in favor
> > of assigning the superior position to the white race."
> >       Politically Correct whites, of course, assign the superior position to
> > the non-white races.
> >
> 
> So it's about who is superior to you?  I know why you and David Duke
> support Prop 209, it's not out of any belief in the spirit of the law,
> it's to creat Strife, further separate and polarize americans, and
> establish your view that Blonde, Blue Eyed people are god's highest
> creation...
> 
> Thank you for showing us all the truth about your sub-human nature.
> 
> Grey


    Oh, yes, everybody who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wantsw To
Kill Six Million Jews.
    I've heard that one before.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 13 06:59:00 PST 1996
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Public Account wrote:
> 
> Bob, racial cateogies are determined by the government, and not by
> people.  For example, Lena Horne and Vanessa Williams are considered
> black in the US, but in Latin America or the Caribbean they'd be
> considered mulatto or white.   The Bell Curve used Us, based racial
> classifications, which like the classifiiacations of other countries,
> are political and social cultural. If we took the entire spectrum of
> human color from blackest to whitest and asked different people to pick
> out thwere black eneded and white began, there's no way we could get
> different people to agree, as my example with Lean and Vanessa
> illistrate.  So then, how can you say that IQ is race based when
> everyone is so mixed,  Most of the established families in America(as in
> the entire Western hemisphere) are some blend of white, black, and
> Indian. And people in other parts of the world are equaaly mixed, I know
> amy black/whites mixtures that could easily pass for Italian or Grteek,
> and some lok perfectly white. A case comes to mind in which a medical
> student I know said a white patient in the lab he works in went
> hysterical when he found out he had suckle cell anemia, a disorder
> associated with certain parts of West Africa.  This means someone in his
> family was West African.  The genes responisble for skin color number
> somewhere form 3 to 8.  Their are millions of genes on a chromosone.  So
> this man could have gotten the genes for skin color from the white side
> of his family, and most other genes could have come from the black side
> of his family.  My point is there is no genetic basis for race, it's a
> socio-cultural phenomena that varies from country to country.  It would
> make just as much sense to classify Masai, and nothern Europeans in the
> same race, because htier bodies produce lactose, an enzyme which breaks
> down lactose, and souther Europeans and everyone else in the same race,
> because their body lacks this enzyme.  The difference in pigemnt between
> races has to do with their enviroments, dark skinned people produce
> melanin(one simple chemical, like lactose, only melanin is visible),
> because thye live enviroments were they need the extra protection.
> 
> And you are confuding phenotype with genotype.  it's possible for Pat
> Buchanan to be genetically cloer to Nelson Mandela than Bill Clinton,
> because as I said early, only a hand full of genes are resposible for
> skin color.
> 
> I'd like to hear your response.


    The white race is important to me because it is my race, not because
it is some kind of objective master race.  If you do not know what I
mean by white race, I think you are using sophistry in a very serious
situation.
    Human identity, racial, national, etc., has always been at least as
important a  matter as economics in history.
     With the defeat of Nazi Germany, the US and the USSR engaged in a
world wide struggle which gave economic theory a wildly inflated place
in the world.   All direct reference to human identity was declared to
be Hitlerite, The Enemy, The Devil of both East and West.  All racial,
ethnic, and national struggles were explained by both sides in terms of
economic theory.  This was as true of rightest libertarians as of
leftist Marxists.
     Now that the Communist-West struggle is over, we have been
suppressing the reality of human identity for fifty years.  It's coming
back with a rush, and all the standard left and right theorists have to
deal with it is a theory that it's all just economics.      In
capitalist theory and leftist theory, there is no place for the white
race.  The white race happens to occupy lands which happen to be the
West.  These lands are all to become melting pots, because Hitler was
bad.
	Many times in my life I have pointed out simple, fundamental
absurdities, and this logic that doing away with whites is good b ecause
1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it, is
just one more.
        Genocide, even against whites, is a deadly serious business.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Aryan Dating Page Attracts Attention
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Andrew Hall wrote:
> 
> >>>>> joebuck  writes:
> y
>    joebuck> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) wrote:
>    >> Aryan Dating Page (adp@geocities.com) wrote:
>    >>> The Aryan Dating Page(ADP), located on the Alphasite, has had
>    >>> good response from the racialist community.
> 
>    >> This is sad...
> 
>    >>> Or, browse through our on-line profiles of racialist Whites who want
>    >>> friendship and love.
> 
>    >> Anyone who puts an ad on this page is not looking for love, but for
>    >> more hate in the world.  The least this ad could do is be honest...
> 
>    joebuck>   Look, what's the difference between an "Arayan Dating Service" and
>    joebuck> long-established groups such as, say, "Jewish Singles"?
> 
> Do the people that sponsor the Jewish Singles groups advocate
> expelling all non-Jews from the country?
> 
>    joebuck>   I've never seen "Jewish Singles" or other, similar groups thusly
>    criticized> demonized -- nor should they be. If Jewish singles wish to
>    meet> date others of their own heritage, why not?
>    joebuck>   In fact, I recall having read, in past years, a couple of glowing
>    joebuck> newspaper articles about the traditional position of "matchmaker" (I
>    joebuck> forget the Yiddish term for it) still active in the Jewish community,
>    joebuck> in which Jewish singles are willing to pay hefty fees to the
>    joebuck> "matchmakers" to introduce them solely to other specifically-Jewish
>    joebuck> singles.
>    joebuck>   I don't have a problem with that. Do YOU?
>    joebuck>   Moreover, it sometimes seems I can't open the classified advertising
>    joebuck> sections of even "mainstream" liberal newspapers and magazines without
>    joebuck> encountering a multiplicity of ads for homosexual, sado-masochistic,
>    joebuck> trans-sexual and other such dating services.
>    joebuck>   Are *those* matchmaking organizations ok, but the "Aryan Dating
>    joebuck> Page" is "hateful"?
> 
> Yes, it is.  It is done for racists, by racists and in order
> t try to breed more racists.  It is hateful.

   In other words, only whites are evil, only whites are racists, and
whites breeding is evil.  Boy, that's the most racist statement I've
ever read!


> 
> ah
> (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 13 07:21:24 PST 1996
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Goo_Roo wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:56:33 -0500, Bob Whitaker 
> wrote:
> 
> >Jahfree I Kupendua wrote:
> >>
> [snip]
> 
> >      Since all the Politically Correct people say if I disagree with
> >them I'm a racist, I am proud to call myself a racist.  But, as Joe
> >Sobran pointed out, you should NEVER confuse the term "racist" with the
> >term "jerk".  What you were dealing with was a group of run-in-the-mill
> >officious jerks.
> 
> Who just happened to be "racist", no?
> 
> >      They would have been just as happy to kick you around for being an
> >"inbred white trash racist"  if you had been young and white and they
> >felt like throwing their weight around.
> 
> Notta chance! Bud!  While it may be true that some of those "inbred"s
> would have in fact thrown their weight around, they _would not_ have
> *arrested* and jailed another "inbred".
> 
> >      As you travel around the world, you are going to find officious
> >jerks are absolutely everywhere.  Only their excuses differ.
> 
> This works...
> 
> >      When I entered college at 16, I was worried about the future of my
> >race.   Since I  am white, the officious jerks with their PhD's treated
> >me like a hated minority group they chose to call "racist".   When the
> >Thought Police on campus get after a young student with the label
> >"racist", nobody, absolutely nobody has the courage to come to your
> >defense.
>
   There are always people like Roo here who back up the tyrants in the
name of Love and Brotherhood.  Roo is one of the bullies.


 
> Oh, please,..."Thought Police"?  Where did this come from? Or are you
> really into 1984. Hummm..lessee...that's about 12 years ago, right!?!?
> 
> >       The jerks on campus call themselves Politically Correct
> >Intellectuals, but they're exactly the same breed you ran into.
> >       I got hurt by these jerks when I was young and impressionable,
> >but I hope I have resisted those who urged me to get back at the college
> >jerks by being mean to black people.  Don't let the jerks convert you to
> >one of their own.
> 
> So... you're *NOT* mean to black people?  Why call yourself a
> "racist"?
> 
> As I've posted here and other places before, NOW is the time for all
> GOOD people, of ALL races to gather and DEFEND the weak and down
> trodden!!
> 
> This means EXPOSING these individuals who EXPLOIT their endowed
> abilities, no not NATURAL abilities but rather abilities GIVEN to them
> by others, to the world!!
> 
> What will this accomplish?  For one thing it will help others who have
> BEEN in situations like this before to be able to voice a NO vote when
> these certain ENDOWED individuals show up in THEIR town looking for
> more ENDOWMENT...
> 
> RACIST behavior MUST BE STOPPED NOW!!! PERIOD!!!
> 
> EOL
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M. Luther wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> > > But if my parents were poor, their grandparents poor, and I'm
> > > poor, and I have never tasted any rewards for legitimate hard
> > > work, there's a point when I stop trying to play the way "the
> > > system" wants me to play.  Trial and error -- if all my
> > > older relatives have tried real jobs and gotten nowhere, maybe
> > > it's time I tried something less legal.
> >
> >     The simple fact is, we all all heard that excuse so many times,
> > usually at public expense, that the world is divided into those who
> > believe it and are incapable of believing anything else, and those who
> > do not believe it.
> >     It's silly.
> 
> And the world is also filled with those who hang desperately
> on to racial superiority theories (while blindly turning their
> heads away from the real causes of society's problems) all
> to make up for their own sense of insecurity and pitifully
> unsatisfied need to feel wanted.


   Oh, boy!  Another Polticially Correct Golden Oldie.


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Peter Nosko wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker, Master of Double-Speak  wrote in article
> <3285653C.B58@conterra.com>...
> > Karriem O. Lateef wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > :     And in the real world, only white majority countries are being
> > > : immigrated and integratd out of existence.
> > >
> > > The United States was a Native American majority country before white
> > > people immigrated and integrated and raped, murdered, killed and
> poisoned
> > > them out of existence.
> > > --
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> > > Karriem O. Lateef
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> > > klateef@mail.sas.upenn.edu                    |
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> >
> >      That is half of the Politicallly Correct argument.  You Politically
> > Correct people argue that the white race deserves being destroyed by you
> > because 1) there is no white race and 2) the white race deserves it.
> 
> More double-speak.  Do you deny the truth of Karriem's statement?  Yes or
> No, please.


      The purpose of the statement is to justify genocide against the
white race.   I disagree with that.   A Politically Correct white would
agree with it, but surely you've noticed I'm not PC.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Nov 14 08:00:51 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Kenneth Hunt wrote:
> 
> Troy Varange  wrote in article
> <55grj3$t35@crl11.crl.com>...
> > In article <55d379$h54@news.tamu.edu>, Shadow  
> wrote:
> > > syd ever thought of the entertainment industry ?  Do you know
> > > the numero uno export from the US ? It's the music and arts industry.
> > > All the resistance to the early black music, and now it is
> > > contributing significantly to the national economy.  Wow, bigotry also
> costs.
> >
> > It's a worthwhile investment.  The entertainment industry is hurting our
> > nation's image abroad, what with it's constant anti-patriotic themes.
> >
> > The exports of Hollywood should be banned, to protect America's image
> abroad,
> > as well as to depress the profits of the industry, a particularly
> malicious
> > enterprise.  We've got to recover from the practice of "trade for the
> sake
> > of trade."
> >
> 
> Huh? Depress the profits of the industry? Great idea stupid. Lets show
> those movie people and thier multi-billion dollar industry! Who cares if
> it's one of the most prosperous industries in a country which has less and
> less every day. And lets stop that "trade" stuff too. Forget that it's the
> lifes blood of the nation and determines how well we ALL do, lets fuck it
> up!!!!
> 
> Idiot...


   "Less and less every day"?  Is that what's America's got.  But you
progressives keep telling us it's the ninties, and we have "grown" in
your Progressive way.   
    Could your "progress" have something to do with our having less and
less?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : > >their credentials.
> : >
> : > Gee, Mr. Whit, that must be why you made it widely known in May, when
> : > someone flamed you on your lousy writing, that you are a PhD.
> : >
> : > "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
> : >           Emma Goldman
> :
> 
> :      What in the hell is some ego cripple doing on the net putting PhD
> : or MD or OBC aft er his name?  Who gives a flying horsehockey?
> 
> You do, apparently.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


       The only reason my PhD came up was because some clown put PhD
after HIS name on the net, and I flamed him for it.  I pointed out that
hundreds of thousands of people have one, hell, even I have one.  
	This REALLY upset you Politically Correct types, because to you a PhD
is in exactly the same position as a priest to a Medieval peasant.  You
clones went to pieces,  shouting this horrible thing could not be.  
	I said, over and over, who gave a flying horsehockey who has a PhD?  It
was you who made a huge thing of it.
	I repeat, it takes a real ego cripple to put PhD or OBC or MD or
anything else after his name on the net.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Nov 14 08:08:34 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Racism and Law.... Please Explain this to me....
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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> g*rd*n:
> | > That remains to be seen.  Affirmative Action was a kind of
> | > treaty:  "Protect us a bit, and we won't make trouble." The
> | > use of boycotts and the like mean that people are going to
> | > engage in conflict; and I can't see employers as welcoming
> | > conflict with and between their employees and customers,
> | > because no one knows how far a conflict is going to go.
> 
> faeros@earthlink.net (Grey):
> | I cannot believe this.  You don't think the black community would be
> | justified in Boycotting Texaco?   ...
> 
> They would be _justified_ in doing so.  The question
> is whether it would work.  The other question, which I
> was trying to get at above, unsuccessfully I guess, is
> whether rightists or conservatives who have fought
> against Affirmative Action are going to like the
> alternative, which is likely to be explicit class and/or
> race conflict.  Privilege isn't worth much if you have
> to fight for it every day.
> 
> By the way, what Texaco is almost certain to do (if
> something like a boycott occurs) is to hire one of
> those crisis management outfits, who will have them roll
> a few heads and run big ads in the newspapers and on TV
> about how they know they did wrong but [sob] they've
> repented and now they're going to do the right thing.
> Drop a few mill here and there where it'll be seen.
> Back at the ranch, of course, it'll be pretty much
> business as usual.  Is this a satisfactory outcome?
> Maybe it is.
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


    Oh, yea.  After all, the present system is working so well.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <32875874.697@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >     OH, HORSESHIT!
> >     None of the clones who insist IQ is  meaningless would let anybody
> > try for one of their precious PhD's who did not have an IQ of at least
> > 120.
> >     Get off it!
> 
> I disagree with your statment completely.  Since when was IQ ever a
> pre-requisit for a PhD? And are you saying that having a PhD is a direct
> indicator of high intelligence?
> 
> Just wondering,
> Cynthia


    Good point.
    But the PhD worshipping politially Correct types would disagree with
you.


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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Huw Jones wrote:
> 
> cynthia gage wrote:
> >
> > In article <32875874.697@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> > >     OH, HORSESHIT!
> > >     None of the clones who insist IQ is  meaningless would let anybody
> > > try for one of their precious PhD's who did not have an IQ of at least
> > > 120.
> > >     Get off it!
> >
> > I disagree with your statment completely.  Since when was IQ ever a
> > pre-requisit for a PhD? And are you saying that having a PhD is a direct
> > indicator of high intelligence?
> >
> > Just wondering,
> > Cynthia
> 
> Why waste you time wondering over someone who's 'apparently' incapable
> of recognising the difference between reasoned argument and abuse? Do
> you seriously expect an intelligent reply? Remember, you're dealing with
> someone who posts up the same vacuous abuse to two (maybe more)
> thoughtful posts.
> 
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Huw Jones
> International Centre for Research on Assessment
> Institute of Education
> 20 Bedford Way
> London UK
> WC1H 0AL
> 
> Tel: +44 (0)171 612 6447
> Fax: +44 (0)171 612 6256
> ------------------------------------------------------------------


    And he is objective!   He gets paid to push Political Correctness,
so you can count on this boy!


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:57:41 -0500
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jrs wrote:
> 
> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> 
> >In article <55n3p5$aom@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan
> >Matthews) wrote:
> 
> >> In article <327D0EB1.4FD7@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >> >   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
> >> >right if you're going to make a living that way.
> >>
> >> Given that you're almost always wrong I doubt this is how you actually make
> >> your "living."
> 
> >Notice that he used the *past* tense.
> 
> KingGene,
> 
> Although as a rule it is most difficult to decipher Whitaker's
> ramblings, We think that Bobby has expressed that he was run out of
> academia and politics because of his racist views (Bobby, please
> correct me if I am wrong). He seems to be quite bitter about it.
> 
> JRS
> 
> >We have spoken.
> 
> >Eugene the Curly-headed
> >King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> >Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


    No.  They sure tried, but no.


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Drew Beck wrote:
> 
> Somebody else wrote:
> 
> >> He must feel so inadequate that he has to steal the laurels of others >>to  prove the superiority of himself.
> 
> Then Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >  That line has been used to death.   Everybody who disagreees with
> >Political Correctness has an inferiority complex and hundreds of other
> >evil things, including halitosis and tired blood.
> >   It feels a lot better to say that than to admit you're backing an
> >intellectual tyranny, doesn't it?
> 
> Of course, the whole concept of "intellectual tyranny" on the part of the
> "politically correct establishment" is becoming a bit worn by now, too.
> That's the problem with generalizing every argument into an us VS. them
> approach; it all quickly becomes empty rhetoric.
> 
> Drew


    Then I fit right in with you Poltiically Correct clones, don't I?


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Nov 14 08:08:39 PST 1996
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Chuck--- wrote:
> 
> On 12 Nov 1996 00:39:26 GMT, "Aryan"  wrote:
> 
> >intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote in article
> ><5665pu$dbc@news.sas.ab.ca>...
> >>
> >> THIS IS HORRIBLE BUT TRUE.
> >>
> >> Social and economic policies of government will exterminate the white
> >> people of this country.  Fact: (Vital Statistics) the birth rate of white
> >> people is about 1.4.  Fact: This means total extinction in about 70
> >> years, a sustained 2.2 birthrate maintains population.  This genocide is
> >> due to the most comprehensive policy of government ever devised in
> >> history.  Most "Western countries" have adopted or are implementing
> >> these policies.
> >>
> >> 1. Economic Policy.  In Canada, white people are only allowed a mere
> >> 10% of all government grants and bank loans, although they represent
> >> nearly 80% of the population.  Foreigners, immigrants, and other races
> >> receive 90% of all funding.  Affirmative Actions Programs such as that
> >> of the City of Edmonton, disbarred all white males from the 1996 fire-
> >> fighter employment.  Unemployment for young white males is at least
> >> 30%, three times higher than normal.
> >>
> >> 2.  Social Policy.  Since young white men are discriminated against in
> >> employment, it will be very difficult to court, marry or raise families.
> >
> >> Young women will be forced to marry coloured men to sire their children.
> >> There are far more coloured men marrying white women than white men
> >> marrying coloured women.  Clearly white men, and coloured women
> >> are severely discriminated against.  In advertising, media and educat-
> >> ional materials white to white parings are disturbingly rare.
> >>
> >> 3.  Homosexuals.  To ensure further reductions of births FEMINAZIS
> >> are encouraged and financed by our government.  In schoolbooks there
> >> is little or no reference to raising a family.  A satanic approach to the
> >> pursuit of money is all that matters.  A woman's role as mother is
> >> defiled, and the seed of life destroyed.  Families have no rights, but
> >> homosexuals have legal rights, protections,guarantees and protection.
> >> Taxpayers are subsidizing perverted lifestyles which would lead to the
> >> extermination of our race.
> >>
> >> 4.  Criminals.  It is no accident that the Immigration Department imports
> >> thousands of criminals into Canada every year.  Drug dealers and pimps,
> >> most immigrant and visible minorities, are encouraged to come to
> >> Canada, with welcome arms from the Government.  If ordered deported
> >> by the courts, the Immigration Department will often stay the order.
> >> If convicted, jail terms are lightly served in our hotel -prisons.  This
> >is
> >> obscene compared to the vicious punishment these scum inflict on their
> >> victims, mostly young white people.  Almost 50% of battered women
> >> who go to shelters in Canada are turned away.  Every dirty little
> >> immigrant who says he is a refugee is immediately given two years of
> >> hotels, heath care, lawyers, appeals, food allowances, training and
> >> support.  We spend 2 billion dollars on these scum, our own people
> >> get cutbacks or nothing at all.
> >>
> >>
> Sounds like the 80% white racers want it this way by either voting for
> these benefits  - or - finding them objectionable, but permitting it
> by not voting. Which?
> Chuck---


      The Politically Correct argument for doing away with whites comes
int two pwrts: 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white race
deserves it.  This is an example of 2).


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Nov 14 08:08:40 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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carl skutsch wrote:
> 
> To Bob Whitaker:
> 
> What horseshit are you talking?  There are no IQ tests for PhD candidates.
> Never have been.
> 
> Carl Skutsch


   So why don't we have a nice affirmative action program where PhD's
are awarded equally to people by their IQ?  It would probably improve
the academic bureaucracy no end.
    Hey, folks, back here in reality, you would go to pieces if you
found a person was awarded one of your precious PhD's and scored 80 on
an IQ test.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Nov 14 08:11:38 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
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jrs wrote:
> 
> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> 
> >In article <55n3p5$aom@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan
> >Matthews) wrote:
> 
> >> In article <327D0EB1.4FD7@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >> >   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
> >> >right if you're going to make a living that way.
> >>
> >> Given that you're almost always wrong I doubt this is how you actually make
> >> your "living."
> 
> >Notice that he used the *past* tense.
> 
> KingGene,
> 
> Although as a rule it is most difficult to decipher Whitaker's
> ramblings, We think that Bobby has expressed that he was run out of
> academia and politics because of his racist views (Bobby, please
> correct me if I am wrong). He seems to be quite bitter about it.
> 
> JRS
> 
> >We have spoken.
> 
> >Eugene the Curly-headed
> >King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> >Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


    No.  They sure tried, but no.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Nov 14 08:41:56 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: !!I'm betting on Dole!!
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Eric Kelso wrote:
> 
> Well, judging from what I have seen here in Alabama it is about 50-50. Oddly
> enough all the Clinton voters are women and the Dole voters are men. I don't
> know if that means anything as my experiences are hardly an 'official' poll or
> whatever. Just what I have observed. I am the only person I know who is voting
> for Harry Browne. That probably will be the only vote cast in my county for
> him. :-)
> 
> > I don't know anybody who is voting for Clinton.  Who are these folks.  I
> > know a lot of soccer moms and dads.  All Dolites.
> >


     Actually, I'm a conservative who baked Buchanan, and I voted for
Clinton,a nd I know lots of others who did. Remember, you shut us out of
the convention and said you'd do better without us?
      I'm sick of conservatives going to the Republican Convention,
getting kicked in the teeth, and coming up smiling.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Nov 14 11:10:14 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Racism and Law.... Please Explain this to me....
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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> bwhit@conterra.com:
> |    I think Lincoln put it better.  He said that the white and black
> | races could not be together except in a position of superior and
> | inferior.  He concluded with, "I, as much as any other man, am in favor
> | of assigning the superior position to the white race."
> 
> That's pretty silly.  But Lincoln was a politician, not a
> philosopher or a scientist, so we'll have to forgive him.
> 
> |       Politically Correct whites, of course, assign the superior position to
> | the non-white races.
> 
> The _really_ politically correct Whites deny that races
> exist, except as social artifices.  So they'd have a hard
> time assigning a superior position to one.
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


      Not at all.   Anyone who reads newsgroups sees that comments from
the Politically Correct fall into two categories:  1) the white race
does not exist, and 2) the white race is evil.
       Doublethink is the nature of PC.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Racism and Law.... Please Explain this to me....
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Grey wrote:
> 
> > Remember, you cannot right social wrongs by violating the rights of
> > others.  Government cannot solve social problems: government is force.
> > If you want to change the world, don't put a gun (the government) to
> > the heads of others.... use persuasion.  If persuasion is exercise,
> > coercion is a steroid: empty and inferior to real exercise. Please
> > work for real change.
> >
> 
> You know that Malcome X was perhaps the first person to realize this?
> After he came back from Mecca, he sat down with Mike Wallace (someone who
> seemed to think Macarthy had the right idea) and admitted he had been
> wrong to dis the white man so strongly.  (As far as I know he was the
> only American leader to ever do that).
> 
> From then on, he started to work for real change, and the lost favour
> with the Nation of Islam for not toeing the party line, and he died for
> that.  Had he lived, the black community would probably be in a lot
> better shape than it is today.
> 
> Grey


     I believe Eldridge Cleaver came to the same sort of conclusion
after dealing with the Algerians.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    I never accused you of "bragging" about your PhD.
> 
> Well Mr. Whit, since I've never put those letters behind my name, or a Dr.
> in front of it in 10 months of posting here, why would I start now?
> I have never referred to my degrees here, period.  You have always said
> that degrees themselves are irrelevant.  I agree with you on that point,
> and I think the fact that I haven't made an issue of them indicates that.
> You are the one who is now making an issue of my doctorate.  Why are you
> doing that, Mr. Whitaker?
> 
> >    I never trotted out my degrees.  As you well know, I made fun of a
> >guy who had PhD after his name, and your crowd got terribly upset at the
> >very concept i would have such a thing.
> 
> What I recall is that someone flamed you for your lousy writing while you
> were ridiculing another poster for that.  Your response made it very clear
> that you have a PhD, too.  I don't recall anybody being upset about that.
> I do remember you becoming very upset when I called you "Dr. Whitaker" in
> the next post addressed to you, though.
> 
> >     I've made the latter point every time you people have said this,
> >but of course I'll have to repeat it for each of you.
> 
> All kinds of wingnuts have PhDs, Mr. Whitaker.  You're living proof of
> that.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Mommy Professor
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    You got it backwards, of course.  You live in a world where PhD's
are the priests to the superstitious PC peasants, so you're trying to be
modest about it.
     I guess this is the first time you've ever dealt with somebody who
is truly not only not impressed, but quite the opposite.  I was offended
that you get paid full time to push this Politically Coorect crap and
didn't admit it up front.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> >> Would you like to discuss the evidence that human "races" are (or are not)
> >> monophyletic, Mr. Whit?  Or compare heterozygosity and mtDNA maximum
> >> divergence among human "races" and among subspecies of other primates?
> 
> >    Nobody's impressed.  Are you going to start signing your stuff,
> >"PhD" now?
> 
> I thought not.
> 
> No, and I have never "bragged" about having a PhD, Mr. Whit.  If you care
> to do a Dejanews search, you'll find that I have mentioned it in only in the
> context of some jokes about pizza.  Some people got the double meaning when
> I talked about my pizza homing device with the acronym PhD, and some didn't.
> 
> I've been flamed for incompetence and ignorance, and never once trotted out
> my degrees as a defence, unlike you.  Unlike you, as well, I let my posts
> stand on the quality of my arguments.  But you don't have that option.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    I never accused you of "bragging" about your PhD.  
    I never trotted out my degrees.  As you well know, I made fun of a
guy who had PhD after his name, and your crowd got terribly upset at the
very concept i would have such a thing.
     I've made the latter point every time you people have said this,
but of course I'll have to repeat it for each of you.


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Messiah wrote:
> 
> Curiously, Bob, you didn't anwser the part of all of the white groups
> which were considered racially inferior in the past.  What's your take
> on that?


   Restate, please.


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Lorne Beaton wrote:
> 
> In article <3288C93F.48E5@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >cynthia gage wrote:
> >>
> >> I disagree with your statment completely.  Since when was IQ ever a
> >> pre-requisit for a PhD? And are you saying that having a PhD is a direct
> >> indicator of high intelligence?
> >
> >    Good point.
> >    But the PhD worshipping politially Correct types would disagree with
> >you.
> 
> Assuming a Ph.D. means anything, it's an indicator of achievement. I
> would have more respect for someone with a Ph.D. from a reputable
> university, but with IQ scores between 90 and 100, than I would for
> a member of the Mega Society who's also a high-school dropout.
> 
> I don't have a Ph.D. (although I am working on an M.A.). I once looked
> into joining Mensa, but decided that anyone who would pay their
> exorbitant entrance fee should be automatically barred from joining. :-)
> --
> Lorne Beaton: beaton1@server.uwindsor.ca
> ----------------------------------------
> "I am not Montel Williams.
>  I AM NOT MONTEL WILLIAMS!" - John Munch


     That has nothing to do with the point I was making.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov 15 07:05:22 PST 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    I never accused you of "bragging" about your PhD.
> 
> Well Mr. Whit, since I've never put those letters behind my name, or a Dr.
> in front of it in 10 months of posting here, why would I start now?
> I have never referred to my degrees here, period.  You have always said
> that degrees themselves are irrelevant.  I agree with you on that point,
> and I think the fact that I haven't made an issue of them indicates that.
> You are the one who is now making an issue of my doctorate.  Why are you
> doing that, Mr. Whitaker?
> 
> >    I never trotted out my degrees.  As you well know, I made fun of a
> >guy who had PhD after his name, and your crowd got terribly upset at the
> >very concept i would have such a thing.
> 
> What I recall is that someone flamed you for your lousy writing while you
> were ridiculing another poster for that.  Your response made it very clear
> that you have a PhD, too.  I don't recall anybody being upset about that.
> I do remember you becoming very upset when I called you "Dr. Whitaker" in
> the next post addressed to you, though.
> 
> >     I've made the latter point every time you people have said this,
> >but of course I'll have to repeat it for each of you.
> 
> All kinds of wingnuts have PhDs, Mr. Whitaker.  You're living proof of
> that.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Mommy Professor
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    You got it backwards, of course.  You live in a world where PhD's
are the priests to the superstitious PC peasants, so you're trying to be
modest about it.
     I guess this is the first time you've ever dealt with somebody who
is truly not only not impressed, but quite the opposite.  I was offended
that you get paid full time to push this Politically Coorect crap and
didn't admit it up front.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> >> Would you like to discuss the evidence that human "races" are (or are not)
> >> monophyletic, Mr. Whit?  Or compare heterozygosity and mtDNA maximum
> >> divergence among human "races" and among subspecies of other primates?
> 
> >    Nobody's impressed.  Are you going to start signing your stuff,
> >"PhD" now?
> 
> I thought not.
> 
> No, and I have never "bragged" about having a PhD, Mr. Whit.  If you care
> to do a Dejanews search, you'll find that I have mentioned it in only in the
> context of some jokes about pizza.  Some people got the double meaning when
> I talked about my pizza homing device with the acronym PhD, and some didn't.
> 
> I've been flamed for incompetence and ignorance, and never once trotted out
> my degrees as a defence, unlike you.  Unlike you, as well, I let my posts
> stand on the quality of my arguments.  But you don't have that option.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    I never accused you of "bragging" about your PhD.  
    I never trotted out my degrees.  As you well know, I made fun of a
guy who had PhD after his name, and your crowd got terribly upset at the
very concept i would have such a thing.
     I've made the latter point every time you people have said this,
but of course I'll have to repeat it for each of you.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Nov 15 07:17:50 PST 1996
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J. Lennon wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >      The nice thing about being Politically Correct is that you can
> > believe exactly what you want to.  So  you can demand that every white
> > majority country accept endless third world immigration, and demand that
> > only white majority countries do it, and then sincerely say you never
> > heard of such a thing.
> 
> I suppose nowhere along your family line has anybody ever emigrated
> to any country.  And what is your fear of immigrants anyway? Afraid
> they're just better than you?  Afraid they'll take over your land,
> kill your buffalo, and wipe out your race with foreign diseases?
> Or is it jobs?  If they don't take your job here because they work
> cheaper and harder than you do, then companies here will move
> there, just because there is so much cheap labor in underdeveloped
> countries that companies will have their pick of the cream of the
> crop.  Either way, there's nothing you can do about your own
> inferiority without actually trying to improve yourself.


    Three Golden Oldies: genocide is fine if practiced against whites
because 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves
it.
    The third one, that anyone who disagrees with Political Correctness
feels inferior and self-hate is so old they've been making fun of it in
situation comedies for years.


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From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov 16 06:57:59 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote:
> 
> On 11 Nov 1996 23:57:13 GMT, Laura Finsten 
> wrote:
> 
> >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>: >(Para mas carcajadas debes leer los escritos de un cierto gusano
> >>: >comecola.)
> >
> >>: Sea posible que nuestro gusanon favorito excede de Leacock en la cantidad
> >>: de carcajadas por palabra, pero es claro que Leacock gana en la calidad.
> >
> >
> >>Estoy completamente de acuerdo contigo.
> >
> >Hay que considerar que el gusano grandote gana lo mas carcajadas con las
> >palabras "serias", en su mente (si sea posible describir una cavidad vacia
> >del craneo asi).
> 
> Algunos gusanos al menos tienen alguna esperanza de transformarse en
> mariposas. Lamentablemente nuestro mundo esta poblado de seres
> quasi-humanos  indistinguibles de los gusanos.  Estas lombrices
> bipedas mueren a la luz de la verdad. Matemos algunas!
> 
> Harry W. Mazal OBE
> 
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       My God, he has an OBE and he speaks Spanish!
       Is everybody deeply, deeply impressed?


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov 16 07:07:34 PST 1996
Article: 35848 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <3288BEA1.1957@ioe.ac.uk>, jhwdccn@ioe.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> > cynthia gage wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <32875874.697@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> > > >     OH, HORSESHIT!
> > > >     None of the clones who insist IQ is  meaningless would let anybody
> > > > try for one of their precious PhD's who did not have an IQ of at least
> > > > 120.
> > > >     Get off it!
> > >
> > > I disagree with your statment completely.  Since when was IQ ever a
> > > pre-requisit for a PhD? And are you saying that having a PhD is a direct
> > > indicator of high intelligence?
> > >
> > > Just wondering,
> > > Cynthia
> >
> > Why waste you time wondering over someone who's 'apparently' incapable
> > of recognising the difference between reasoned argument and abuse? Do
> > you seriously expect an intelligent reply? Remember, you're dealing with
> > someone who posts up the same vacuous abuse to two (maybe more)
> > thoughtful posts.
> 
> Thank you for the thoughtful reminder.  As an undergraduate in
> Anthropology (and feminist and gender studies) I was beginning to get
> rather frustrated by the some of the narrow and intolerant things I've
> been reading.
> 
> :)
> Cynthia


    You've made a great start in becoming a Great Anthropologist:
recognizing heresy and condemning it.
    When the establishment was pro-Nordic, Scientific Anthropolgy proved
Nordics were superior.  In the 1930's, Franz Boas' theories that race
didn't matter were a bit of a joke in your field.   
     Everything changed in six years, 1939-1945.  About 1945, Boas
became the Founding Father of True Scientific Anthropology.  You
probably didn't notice, but that happened to be the very moment Boaz'
theories became official political doctrine.  Scientific Anthropologists
have always been lucky that way.
      You just learn to say this to the moneybags when you find out what
they want: "Oh, you are so right, and I've proved it.  You are so so
Idealistic and so Scientific..."  There's more, but there are plenty of
Politically Correct people here to teach yo the whole drill.


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Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote:
> 
> On 11 Nov 1996 23:57:13 GMT, Laura Finsten 
> wrote:
> 
> >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>: >(Para mas carcajadas debes leer los escritos de un cierto gusano
> >>: >comecola.)
> >
> >>: Sea posible que nuestro gusanon favorito excede de Leacock en la cantidad
> >>: de carcajadas por palabra, pero es claro que Leacock gana en la calidad.
> >
> >
> >>Estoy completamente de acuerdo contigo.
> >
> >Hay que considerar que el gusano grandote gana lo mas carcajadas con las
> >palabras "serias", en su mente (si sea posible describir una cavidad vacia
> >del craneo asi).
> 
> Algunos gusanos al menos tienen alguna esperanza de transformarse en
> mariposas. Lamentablemente nuestro mundo esta poblado de seres
> quasi-humanos  indistinguibles de los gusanos.  Estas lombrices
> bipedas mueren a la luz de la verdad. Matemos algunas!
> 
> Harry W. Mazal OBE
> 
> Nizkor (USA)  An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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       My God, he has an OBE and he speaks Spanish!
       Is everybody deeply, deeply impressed?


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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <328BEB9E.2C11@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >    We object to PC because we've heard it all a thousand times, we've
> > had to live under it all our lives, and not a damned bit of it ever
> > WORKS.
> 
> I'm sorry, but it seems to me that the only place I've heard "PC" is from
> you. What is the "it" that "not a damned bit of ever WORKS"?  Instead of
> talking in generalized fad acronyms why don't you talk about what you
> think composes the so-called "PC" ideas or better yet, specifically what
> you think is not working and what you think would work instead?
> :)
> Cynthia




         What we call academe today is a multi-billion-dollar,
self-perpetuating, self-selected bureaucracy.
          The difference between the academic bureaucracy and any other
self-selecting bureaucracy is that academe claims, as its sole product,
objective, unbiassed, balanced truth.   It has no other reason for
existence.
           Is the academic bureaucracy actually the first self-selecting
bureaucracy in history to produce anything approaching objectivity, or
is its product simply a predictable result of its biasses?
            Start with the big question: nurture versus nature.  
Academe produces solutions for our social ills in the form of social
theories which lead to massive social programs spending hundreds of
billions each year.
             To conclude that a problem is a result of genetics is to
put the problem to
beyond the reach of social programs.   The predictable result in the
case of a self-
selecting bureaucracy would be a solid and fanatical resistance to
anything that smacked of favoring nature over nurture.   
	By an amazing coincidence, the Politically Correct position is that any
attempt to blame a problem on heredity  makes one anti-intellectual. 
	Remember that the academic bureaucracy does claim to be objective. 
That is why we give them money and the right to indoctrinate our young
people.   Their reaction is that of any bureacracy, but their claim is
that they are unique. 
	Over and over, the PC types insist that all points of view are present
in academe.   But what I have seen is that Politically Correct positions
are spo predictable in terms of academic interests that no one would
fort a second claim any other bureaucracy would be objective in pushing
them.
	The reaction against Political Correctness( so strong that now even the
most Politically Correct insist they aren't) comes from a growing
recognition that today's acadmic bureaucracy has become just one more
bureaucracy.  They use the cry of academic freedom and billions in
public money and control over young minds to provide what amounts to a
system of religious seminaries pushing their favorite doctrines.   The
PhD's and claims of objective intellectuality intimidates an ever
smaller group of people.
	All bureaucracies claim to be objective, of course.  Most doctors will
tellyou their position on socialized medicine is objective, and tehy
believe it.  Businessmen also claim to be objective, and they believe
it.  But the difference is that other groups exist to provide us with
services, such as medicine or, in the case of business, with goods nad
services.
	But the academic bureaucracy exists only to provide us with
objectivity.  It could admit it is a self-perpetuating and examine
itseelf mercilessly in this light, or it could do what any
self-selecting bureaucracy would do its case: use its claim of
objectivity and intellectualism to push its interests.  They believe the
former, they are doing the latter.
	If anyone bothers to comment on this, please include some reason why
you think this particular bureaucracy has performed the unique result of
being objective.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov 16 07:07:37 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <55u3v2$ggu@is05.micron.net>,
>    sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> ::What does the White Nationalist movement want?
> ::
> ::We want a separate White homeland to halt the ongoing eradication of
> ::Whites by non-White engulfment and miscegenation.
> 
> This is fine with me. Buy an island and start your "White homeland". Until and
> unless your desires are the desires of a clear majority of Americans (i.e.,
> until Hell freezes over), you will not be able to achieve your goal in the
> USA.
> 
> ::  We believe the
> ::races are different and that the original races were molded by
> ::evolutionary forces, which impacted differently on the races according
> ::to geography and the consequent challenges each race faced. As a
> ::result, the White race developed unique racial characteristics and
> ::unique racial identity and the Black race its own as well.
> 
> Believe what you will, the facts are otherwise.
> 
> ::   White
> ::nationalists value their race and do not wish its unique identity and
> ::abilities to be destroyed, which will occur if the White race is mixed
> ::with non-Whites.
> 
> So, don't marry a "non-White". It's none of my business whom you "mix" with.
> It is also none of your business whom I and the rest of the world "mix" with.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


	Trying to say something ot a clone is like pushing toothpaste back into
a tube.
	Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
statement.  But the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial
balance in ALL white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority
countries.  They would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to
themselves, anywhere on earth,a nd they have said so repeatedly.
	So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They 
would crush us fast.
	And for reason.  We all know what happens when whites are temporarily
allowed to set up their own communities.  The Politically Correct get
racial balance and busing, and out go the whites.  So the PC then use
their money to set up "low-cost"(black) housing in the escapee
communities, and busing again.   And the cycle repeats.
	The one thing Politically Correct people can never subject their
policies to is the criterion of whether they actually WORK or not.  They
also cannot allow it to matter whether any of hteir victims WANT what
they are pushing or not.  Those tests always fail.
	As a result, the invariable result of Poltiically Correct policy, from
busing to the Berlin Wall, is always a major effort at blocking any
escape attempt.
	I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <3284C3C3.12@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> ::You seem to think you have said something.  What you are bringing up
> ::is the same old, old clone line that if there is any question about the
> ::borders, a race does not exist.
> 
> Nope. He went farther than to say the borders are fuzzy. He said that there is
> no definition of the core meaning. The word "white" has no biologically
> defensible meaning.
> 
> BTW, one of your cohorts, Bryan Smith says that "white" birth rates are zero
> or negative. Here is more accuracte information (not about "whites", since no
> one has defined this term; but about Europeans -- a category which also fuzzy
> boundaries, but at least has a core meaning):
> 
> In 1995, the EU countries had 290,000 more births than deaths (a positive
> rate, albeit a low one). And where are the birth rates increasing?
> Scandanavia. Italians and Spaniards have the fewest babies of EU countries.
> Now, let me ask you, "What is the definition of 'white'"? Do you agree that
> "white" birth rates are zero or negative?
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


    I understand that some 25% of the births in France are to resident
Arabs.  That should make you very happy.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov 16 07:07:39 PST 1996
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Drew Beck wrote:
> 
> Somebody else wrote:
> 
> >> He must feel so inadequate that he has to steal the laurels of others >>to  prove the superiority of himself.
> 
> Then Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >  That line has been used to death.   Everybody who disagreees with
> >Political Correctness has an inferiority complex and hundreds of other
> >evil things, including halitosis and tired blood.
> >   It feels a lot better to say that than to admit you're backing an
> >intellectual tyranny, doesn't it?
> 
> Of course, the whole concept of "intellectual tyranny" on the part of the
> "politically correct establishment" is becoming a bit worn by now, too.
> That's the problem with generalizing every argument into an us VS. them
> approach; it all quickly becomes empty rhetoric.
> 
> Drew


    Then I fit right in with you Poltiically Correct clones, don't I?


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Nov 16 07:07:40 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Messiah wrote:
> 
> Quite true, race is determined but mutliple atributes, but it's
> completely arbitary which attributes are considered.  Anthroplogists
> claiisfy East Indians has white, but I've seen Dravidians as black as
> skillets!  I am certain the average white person doesn't think of
> Dravidians as white.  Anthropologist say that because they have straight
> hair and thin lips they're white, but one can find Africans with thin
> lips and noses.  People will belive what they want to, theuir opinions
> have been shaped by pasty experiences.  Depeneding on who the taxonimst
> is, their are between one(the human race)race, to three races(white,
> black and oriental) to three hundred races or more.  You can find
> multiple differences between Nigerians and Ethiopians, does that mean
> tha tthey are in different races?  You can find multiple differecnes
> between Irish and Ukranians, does that mean they're different races? You
> can finf multiple differeces between Mogolians and Japanese, does that
> meaan their different races?  You can always find something different
> about people. I consider Jews white, but some people don't. Some
> historians condier todays Jews the descendants of Europeans who
> converted to Judaism, which makes Judaism a religion, not a faith.(there
> are black Jews, some Ethiopians, who like their European counterparts,
> converted to Judaism) So this means there isn't a Jewish race, but to
> some people there is. Different peple see things differently.  This
> means, that Jews, share the same ancestry as other whites(actually, all
> humans share the same ancestry, if we go back far enough).

     You're right of course, anything which is hard to define at the
borders is nonexistent.  I have been trying to persuade Argentina of
this.  It is the Politically Correct position that, because race is
fuzzy at the edges, race does not exist.   Anyone who disagrees with
this, of course, is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
      I have tried to explain this to Argentinians, but they keep saying
Argentina exists.  That is probably a violation of the Genocide Treaty.
      We all knwo there is a dispute as to whether the Falkland Islands
are part of Argentina or not.  The border of Argentina, in short, is
fuzzy at the edges.  Therefore, accoring to the PC version of the
Genocide Treay, there is no Argentina.
      You must join me in my battle to persuade Argentina that it does
not exist.


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Lorne Beaton wrote:
> 
> In article <3285741B.3C9C@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >
> >   That's all Politically Correct, but has nothing to do with the facts.
> 
> A statement can be perfectly Politically Correct and still be true. If
> your worst enemy said the sky was blue, would you insist it was green
> just to spite him?
> 
> >    Intelligence is so obvious that even some idiot psychologist has to
> >be able to find it.  higher IQ's correlate with better health, height,
> >and about everything else.
> >   My brother, a neurologist, found a very practical use for this. You
> >can find the shortest  two percent of a group of children of a given
> >age, and half of them ar in the lowest two percent of IQ.
> 
> This sounds plausible, albeit anecdotal. If someone undertook an empirical
> study of those children, would they also find that low IQ and shortness
> also correlate with, say, malnutrition or early childhood illness? What
> does any of this have to do with race?
> --
> Lorne Beaton: beaton1@server.uwindsor.ca
> ----------------------------------------
> "I am not Montel Williams.
>  I AM NOT MONTEL WILLIAMS!" - John Munch


   Not in the same classes, and not to that extreme extent.  
   But that is what you want to believe, so that is what you'll believe.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Messiah wrote:
> 
> I think you misuderstood what he was saying.  There are as many races as
> the taxonimist wants them to be.  I think that  Jews are white, however,
> some peole do not considere the white. I've laso heard people speak of
> the English race ,the German race, etc.  And I belive you're forgetting
> that since humans are all thesame species, interbreeding has occurred
> quite commonly over the ages.  For instance, Pat Buchanan, as white as
> he is, could have black ancestry.  Durting the occuptaion of the western
> Hemipshere, white men sired many children with Indian women, during
> slavery in the western Hemiphere, white masters sired many children with
> black misttresses. To escape discrimination, those light enough to pass
> for white denied the blacks sides of their families, and passes into the
> white race.  ALl the established families from America(Meaning the
> entire hemisphere) are mixed.  So how does that fit into your all humans
> are a meber of three racuial groups.  The classifications you use are
> old, modern anthropologists certainly don't agree on them anyway.  Many
> of your white freinds have black and Indian ancestry and may ort may not
> even know about it, because of rther passing.  Perhaps you, too, aren't
> as pure as you want to believe.



    Please see my reply to your clone Lorne Beaton above.
    The title of this string is very revealing: "Diversity does not men
the defeat of ANY race."  Now we all know that only one race is
threatened by diversity, but you keep the pretense up that you are
talking about ANY race.
     Your verbiage is anti-racist, your program is anti-white.


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J. Iscariot wrote:
> 
> J. Iscariot wrote:
> > Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> > >     Oh, yes, everybody who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wantsw To
> > > Kill Six Million Jews.
> > >     I've heard that one before.
> >
> > Take a look at:
> > http://xp8.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=bwhit@conterra.com
> > and what do you see?
> >
> > AUTHOR PROFILE: bwhit@conterra.com
> >      1327 articles posted between 1996/01/18 and 1996/11/13.
> >      87 % of these articles were followups.
> >      Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups (slightly skewed
> > by cross-postings):
> >           496 alt.politics.white-power
> >           128 alt.tv.mwc
> >           83 alt.politics.nationalism.white
> >           49 alt.revisionism
> >           47 sci.cryonics
> >           45 alt.tasteless.jokes
> >           35 alt.nuke.the.USA
> >           31 alt.society.conservatism
> >           30 soc.culture.malaysia
> >           29 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
> >
> > Our fearless leader just loves that alt.politics.white-power newsgroup.
> > Why doesn't that surprise me?
> 
> And more gems from Mr. Morality:
> 
> Subject:      Re: Request:  JEW Jokes
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/05/19
> What do you call a Jewish burial site?
> A Jewish plot
> 
> Subject:      Jew Joke
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/05/30
>    The Bible is the best-selling book of all time.   If Jews
> are such terrific businessmen, why isn't it copyrighted?
> 
> Subject:      Nuclear Holocaust Joke
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/08/09
>     Is atomic war permanent, or was it just a flash in Japan?
> 
> Subject:      Re: jew joke
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/08/10
>      Jehovah was trying to get somebody to take his
> Commandments.  He'd been to Babylon, and they didn't want them.
> He went to Egypt, and they turned him down.   Then, wandering
> in the desert, he found Moses.
>      Jehovah said, "I have these Commandments..."
>      "How much are they?", asked Mo.
>      "They're free."
>      "I'll take ten."




          Those were all in alt.tasteless-jokes.  You are still a
second-cleass McCarthyite, though.  Those are some of my milder jokes in
alt.tasteless.  The one Finsten looked up and reported on me was far
more damning.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> : see you are using the old tactic of avoiding dealing with any
> : points that have been made by talking about personalities.
> 
> This from a man who's never posted _anything_ substantive on usenet,
> and who's response to anything directed at him is without exception
> some variation on "Mommy Professor told you to say that, you politically
> correct clone."
> 
> Your chutzpah is showing, Bob.
> 
> Bill


   I attack your lack of ideas, not you personally.


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Subject: Re: Never In All Hisotry Has The Winning Side Ever Committed  A War Crime
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Michael P. Stein wrote:
> 
> >     There was a movie, Breaker Morant, about one such incident during the
> > Boer War.  Though I suppose technically you could claim he wasn't on the
> > winning side, Lt. William Calley (though not his superiors, who were
> > strongly suspected of complicity) was at least tried by his own side.
> > There are a couple of Canadians on the Somalian peacekeeping mission who
> > got into hot water as well; don't know what the state of their prosecution
> > is.
> 
> Corporal Brown is currently serving time in the military prison in Edmonton.
> (There is some indication that he was the fall guy for the entire mess.)
> The noncom who actually killed the boy who started the whole thing tried
> to commit suicide but only succeeded enough to suffer brain damage and
> was thus incapable of standing trial.
> 
> Several officers have been court-martialled although I can't give their
> status off the top of my head.  However it is worth noting that the
> incident has resulted in a massive PR disaster for NDHQ.  While many
> of the senior officers may not be convicted they are considered as
> guilty as sin by just about everyone.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca
> http://www.dmmw.com/lonewolf/keithm.html


    It's just a detail, of course, but I didn't know teh US won the
Vietnam War.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 06:43:42 PST 1996
Article: 80017 of alt.revisionism
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:48:30 -0500, Bob Whitaker 
> wrote:
> 
> >Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11 Nov 1996 23:57:13 GMT, Laura Finsten 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >> >>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> 
> >       My God, he has an OBE and he speaks Spanish!
> >       Is everybody deeply, deeply impressed?
> 
> Mr. Whitaker is simply envious. As one who is barely cogent in English
> he fears those who have acquired honours and languages. How very
> pitiful [to use his own word.].
> 
> Harry W. Mazal OBE
> 
> Nizkor (USA)  An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org
> Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)


    "Oh, you're just jealous!"
    How original.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Ursus Major  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington  wrote:
> >
> >*Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >*>Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >*>>
> >*>> Ursus Major  wrote:
> >*>> >Your whole premise is, "Prove The Holocaust(tm) Didn't Happen!"
> >*>> >A unique approach to jurisprudence, but SOP for the Holohuggers.
> >*>>
> >*>> You can believe what the hell you like. But I assume from this and other
> >*>> comments of yours that you will not believe any commonly accepted
> >*>> historical event until it is conclusively proved to you? Or is it just
> >*>> possible that you pick out the Holocaust for special attention for
> >*>> reasons other than historical verismilitude?
> >*>>
> >*>> Let's see, since you're so fond of forensic evidence, what forensic
> >*>> evidence do you have that George Washington was actually a president of
> >*>> the United States. Until you provide it, by your logic we cannot accept
> >*>> the proposition that he was a president of the US.
> >*>>
> >*>> --
> >*>> Dene Bebbington
> >*>>
> >*>> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> >*>
> >*>
> >*>   What you are saying, in yor terribly sophistocated and subtle way, is
> >*>that anyone who  questions anything about the Holocaust is A Nazi Who
> >*>Wants To Kill Six Million Jews, right?
> >*
> >*Why Bob, complimenting me on my sophistication and subtlety, you're too
> >*kind.
> >*
> >*Anyway Bob, what I'm actually trying to point out is that I suspect
> >*Ursus Major (and doubtless some other revisionists) are less interested
> >*in historical verisimilitude generally, but rather have their own
> >*motivations regarding the Holocaust. Of course anyone is entitled to
> >*question historical knowledge, I just wonder why the likes of Ursus pick
> >*out one particular event for a level of scrutiny which I suspect they
> >*don't apply elsewhere.
> >*
> >*--
> >*Dene Bebbington
> >*
> >*"... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> >*
> [snipped]
> >    Your opening bluster is a perfect example of your Orwellian
> >response pattern, Dene; because the person stating "George Washington
> >was the first president of the United States!" is indeed encumbered
> >with the burden of proof;
> 
> A point of accuracy, I didn't say the first president, just a president.
> What were you saying about Orwellian response patterns?
> 
> > and his critic claiming "Prove it!" is quite
> >within his rights--for George Washington was NOT the first president
> >of The United States of America. The first president of The United
> >States of America was one John Hanson (1721-1783), who served as first
> >President of The United States of America under The Articles of Con-
> >federation, which served as the initial Constitution, until replaced
> >by the often amended (and more often abused) current one, which went
> >into effect in 1789. George Washington was the first President of The
> >United States of America >under it's current Constitution 
> Might well be true, but irrelevant.
> 
> >   So the Affirmer with the burden of proof placed upon him is shown
> >to be FALSE ... as is the case with the "Affirmers" of the Holo-hoax!
> 
> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> evidence.
> 
> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"



    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
in favor of the fact.   Further, there are no laws requiring that I
believe it, and I will not be ruined career-wise for daring to question
it.
	This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things you
people demand that I believe.  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.  In most
countries, it is illegal to deny the exact number of Jews killed which
those who have this interest insist on.
	I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
different category from other historical statements.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <328BEB9E.2C11@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >    We object to PC because we've heard it all a thousand times, we've
> > had to live under it all our lives, and not a damned bit of it ever
> > WORKS.
> 
> I'm sorry, but it seems to me that the only place I've heard "PC" is from
> you. What is the "it" that "not a damned bit of ever WORKS"?  Instead of
> talking in generalized fad acronyms why don't you talk about what you
> think composes the so-called "PC" ideas or better yet, specifically what
> you think is not working and what you think would work instead?
> :)
> Cynthia


   Sorry, I can't give you an indstant education.  And they obviuously
arent' doing that in the academic bureaucracy either.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:04 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: What If Bob Whitaker Is An Awful, Awful, AWFUL Man?
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Who cares?
         The anti-whites who call themselves anti-racists try to hide
behind my personality, my history, and all the rest to try to avoid
being challenged on the fact hat their verbiage is anti-racist, but
their program is anti-white.
	 Their other attempts to avoid this reality included demanding that I
look up everything they said and prove they are anti-wthie.  I simply
replied gthat I was stating simple facts, and anybody who believed their
made-up excuses was welacome not to be convinced by me.
	The anti-whites would insist that they never actually said that their
program is  massive third world immigration into white countries and
ONLY into white majority countries, and total integration in white
countries and ONLY white majority countries, and  they demand I find
them saying thsoe words.  Of course they don't use those words, which is
why I have to use them.   
	I said that if anybody did not that  their program of"solving the race
problem" was always aimed only at white majority countries, they were
welcome to them.  I am trying to convince people who hear what they
actually say, all the time.
	I say that anyone who opposes Polticial Correctness is routinly called
A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.   They shout they never even
hint such a thing.  You be the judge.
	Once again, who I am, what I am, or how evil I am is of no importance
whatever.   If you think anything about me changes the truth of what I
am saying, then the anti-white "anti-racists" are more than welcome to
you.


J. Iscariot wrote:
> 
> J. Iscariot wrote:
> > Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> > >     Oh, yes, everybody who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wantsw To
> > > Kill Six Million Jews.
> > >     I've heard that one before.
> >
> > Take a look at:
> > http://xp8.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=bwhit@conterra.com
> > and what do you see?
> >
> > AUTHOR PROFILE: bwhit@conterra.com
> >      1327 articles posted between 1996/01/18 and 1996/11/13.
> >      87 % of these articles were followups.
> >      Number of articles posted to individual newsgroups (slightly skewed
> > by cross-postings):
> >           496 alt.politics.white-power
> >           128 alt.tv.mwc
> >           83 alt.politics.nationalism.white
> >           49 alt.revisionism
> >           47 sci.cryonics
> >           45 alt.tasteless.jokes
> >           35 alt.nuke.the.USA
> >           31 alt.society.conservatism
> >           30 soc.culture.malaysia
> >           29 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
> >
> > Our fearless leader just loves that alt.politics.white-power newsgroup.
> > Why doesn't that surprise me?
> 
> And more gems from Mr. Morality:
> 
> Subject:      Re: Request:  JEW Jokes
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/05/19
> What do you call a Jewish burial site?
> A Jewish plot
> 
> Subject:      Jew Joke
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/05/30
>    The Bible is the best-selling book of all time.   If Jews
> are such terrific businessmen, why isn't it copyrighted?
> 
> Subject:      Nuclear Holocaust Joke
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/08/09
>     Is atomic war permanent, or was it just a flash in Japan?
> 
> Subject:      Re: jew joke
> From:         bob whitaker 
> Date:         1996/08/10
>      Jehovah was trying to get somebody to take his
> Commandments.  He'd been to Babylon, and they didn't want them.
> He went to Egypt, and they turned him down.   Then, wandering
> in the desert, he found Moses.
>      Jehovah said, "I have these Commandments..."
>      "How much are they?", asked Mo.
>      "They're free."
>      "I'll take ten."


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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <328CB097.497E@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > cynthia gage wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <328BEB9E.2C11@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >    We object to PC because we've heard it all a thousand times, we've
> > > > had to live under it all our lives, and not a damned bit of it ever
> > > > WORKS.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but it seems to me that the only place I've heard "PC" is from
> > > you. What is the "it" that "not a damned bit of ever WORKS"?  Instead of
> > > talking in generalized fad acronyms why don't you talk about what you
> > > think composes the so-called "PC" ideas or better yet, specifically what
> > > you think is not working and what you think would work instead?
> > > :)
> > > Cynthia
> >
> >
> >    Sorry, I can't give you an indstant education.  And they obviuously
> > arent' doing that in the academic bureaucracy either.
> 
> I would never want an instant education.  If you re-read my post you'll
> see I'm only interested in why you choose to use "PC" so often but refuse
> to explain what that term means to you and why you are so bitterly opposed
> to those things. I have some questions regarding the educational system in
> the US as well.
> :)
> Cynthia


        Anybody your age who doesn't know what Political Correctness is
is beyond redemption.  Maybe you have so totally accepted it you don't
know what it is.   I doubt you've ever heard anything else.
	Laura Finsten started out  with your kind of fake sincerity and
friendliness.   It is the same old tactic Mommy Professor teaches you,
and which you always think you thought of: get me to quibbling so I'll
stop talking plain English.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <5638eg$aho@is05.micron.net>,
>    sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> ::Liberals evidently think if something is widely accepted by the
> ::politically correct academic establishment, that this is somehow per
> ::se evidence of its truth.
> 
> Brian Smith on the other hand thinks that if virtually no one but himself
> believes something that this is evidence of its truth.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


    You would be surprised how many people out here in reality suspet
that what Smith says is true.  You believe beause no one is allowed to
say it, no one believes it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:07 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,sci.bio.misc,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker and Brian Smith, you gutless pieces of garbage.
> Ok, now that I have your attention.
> 
> Mr. Whitaker you, and I assume your friend Mr. Smith agrees, have
> argued that the white race is targeted for genocide.  Ok.  I disagree
> with you, and yet, I'm a white guy.  PC.  A liberal.  The whole nine
> yards.  (And a Christian.)  So why would I want my own race exterminated?
> And why would all the other white people who think you two are evil
> idiots?  I don't get it.  Are we suicidal?
> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
> http://members.aol.com/zenfrycook/carl.html


 
   Why do think that one more PC clone screaming insults would get our
attention?
   Yours is another standard argument, like all your PC arguments.  I
will, for at least the fifth time, repeat my answer here.
    An anti-white white is a very sick thing  to be.  So is a KGB agent
or a Gestapo officer.  Eventually you get around to arguing that
something that sick simply cannot be.  
    How could one human being put another through the totures of the
Inquisition and all the horrors since?  Don't know, but they did.  How
can someone be sick enough to fight for the disappearance of his own
race?   Can a thing like you be real?
    Regretably but clearly, the answer is yes.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:08 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Drew Beck wrote:
> 
> Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.  See news.admin.net-abuse.announce
> for further information.
> 
> Somebody else wrote:
> 
> >> He must feel so inadequate that he has to steal the laurels of others >>to  prove the superiority of himself.
> 
> Then Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >  That line has been used to death.   Everybody who disagreees with
> >Political Correctness has an inferiority complex and hundreds of other
> >evil things, including halitosis and tired blood.
> >   It feels a lot better to say that than to admit you're backing an
> >intellectual tyranny, doesn't it?
> 
> Of course, the whole concept of "intellectual tyranny" on the part of the
> "politically correct establishment" is becoming a bit worn by now, too.
> That's the problem with generalizing every argument into an us VS. them
> approach; it all quickly becomes empty rhetoric.
> 
> Drew


    Us versus them, eh?  But I am the one you criticize, not the dozen
clones sniping at me.   Oh, well, you're on the right side to get your
brownie points.
    Once again: I keep repeating in simple straight English, while the
clojnes repeat in different words, but it's all repetition.  They have
been taught that if they use other words, it becomes a new thought.  It
doesn't, and that is what my repetition is designed to show.  The same
phrases answer their so-called "different" arguments.
     I'll keep repeating this until all you clones hear it.
     Get over with your PC buddies and stop trying to sound netural and
reasonable.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,sci.bio.misc,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker blathered:
> >We object to PC because we've heard it all a thousand times, we've
> >had to live under it all our lives, and not a damned bit of it ever
> >WORKS.
> 
> I've got a problem here, Bob. Unless that t-shirted chipmunk whose
> mug adorns your web page is a GenXer who's aged *very* badly, you
> look like an older cuss [and, If you are what remains of the Robert
> Whitaker who edited "The New Right Papers", you *would* be an old
> guy]. Am I supposed to take your claim about "living under it all
> our lives" at *all* seriously? How do we explain the existence of those
> "Colored Only" drinking fountains and washrooms at the bus station?
> Nixon's bombing of Cambodia (which was not, I think, Politically
> Correct)?



	I'm so glad you brought that up.  It gives me a chance to talk about
the good old Politically Correct Memory Hole in action.
	We are constantly reminded of those separate drikling fountains, but
every leftist outrage and absurdity if forgotten.
	They were performed by PC people who were exactly like you Politically
Correct types today.  They said that Scientific Economics  showed
socialism made sense.  That is, they said that if the government owned
the whole economy, it would be efficient.  Anyone who called this pure
crap pure crap was looked down on, just as anyone who calls crap crap
today is looked down on.
	 Anyone who said that Castro was a Communist before Castro did was
considered totally unspohistocated among your kind.   
	While Mao was killing people by the million, you were decrying Hitler
and talking up Mao.     As for Stalin, while Solzhenitsyn was in in his
death camps with millions of others, your kind was saying how
unsphistocated it was to say thet he was an evil dictator or that
innocent little Stalinists would want expansionaism.  It was insane.
	I remember an article in an economics journal in the early 1960's
called, "How To Make A Burden Out Of  The Public Debt".  It stated the
standard and accepted sophistocated, scientific economics position of
the time: that since we owed it to ourselves, the national debt was in
no way
a burden.   Back then, debt was  used to finanace Politically Correct
programs    When it started financing tax xuts, it abruptly was
recognized as a burden.
	The examples go on and on.   But suffice it to say they have all been
conveniently forgotten.



 

 And, on a more contemporary note, how do you explain all
> those different kinds of folks [mixed by race, national origin, class,
> sexual orientation] living up and down the block from me?


    The law.  When busing or low cost housing is pushed in, you
anti-whites follow the other whites out of the community.   If separate
communities wer not chased down, all the whites would end up I them.
    That is your jsutification for chasing down white escapees with low
cost housing and  busing, and on that point you are dead right.   Your
policies require chasing fugitives down,from busing to the Berlin Wall.  


> 
> If you're going to be at all credible as a spokesweasel for the White
> Power Rangers, I think you'll need to appear just a teensy bit less
> braindead - While Brian "I'm not Kurt" Smith shows every evidence of
> also being afflicted by the swelling and itching of painful ignoroidal
> tissues, at least he reads a bit less like a PERL script sitting on
> top of an autoresponder. It would be a shame to plummet from your once
> exalted position in academia [whatever *that* was] at such a precipitous
> rate that you're replaced by Brian Smith. This kind of idiocy, combined
> with that "no one gets a science Ph.D. without an IQ of 120" howler
> is pinning the CRANK-o-meter even more than usual.
> 
> Just a thought....
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:12:19 -0500
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> AgamemnoN  wrote:
> >If Mr Whitaker was to actually tell you who his clients are, its not
> >as if you wouldn't try and contact them or anything??
> 
> Actually, I think that the problem is that almost anyone who's had
> any "interchange" with the Whitless one would be amazed to learn
> what sort of job it actually *was.* Based on the level of analysis
> and critical reasoning [to say nothing of his grasp of simple notions
> like "evidence"] I've seen here and on Bob's web page "book," I can't
> imagine what sort of properly accredited institution would grant him
> a *undergraduate* degree, let stand anything higher. If William Anderson's
> comments on his having edited this book on the "New Right" here are right,
> I'm left with an equally wierd conundrum. The edit job seems reasonably work-
> manlike, so how do we explain that this work was done by the ranting kook
> we behold here in the present? Is the editor Bob somehow "in drag" as
> a man capable of mounting a reasonable argument, and the Bob who delights
> us here is his "real self" [he's discussed dissembling in print in his early
> posts, after all, so it's reasonable to entertain that that's the case]?
> Perhaps there's some intervening bits we know little about (that's my guess).
> If so, the time line on the guy who edited this book to bwhit is a
> journey of tragic proportions; G*d save us all from such a fate.
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html



     I am mortally wounded!
     As you all know, I live and die by the opinion of brain-dead PC
types.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <3288F620.4A70@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >Jacques Mirelle wrote:
> >> * Literally, are you "A Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews"? Yes or
> >> no?
> >
> >   No.
> >
> >>
> >> * Do you think that Hitler murdered millions of Jews? Don't equivocate
> >> by talking about the alleged "propaganda campaign" and lack of real
> >> evidence -- just say exactly what you believe.
> >
> >      I believe lots of Jews were killed by Nazis.  Unlike you, I do not
> >believe in anything which smacks of required internal consent.
> 
> "Required internal consent?"  What, exactly, do you mean by that little
> phrase, Booby?   Trying to shift, minimize or avoid the blame?
> 
> > I have no idea how many Jews died under Hitler, but I am willing to bet the
> >official figure is wrong.
> 
> Why is that?  Especially since there are no "official" figures, just how many
> Jews do YOU think the Nazis killed?
> 
> >      I have faith in offical figures.
> 
> An odd statement given what you said about the Holocaust's "official"
> figures...
> 
> >        Either there is something basically wrong with the official Jewish
> >approach to the world, or everybody is crazy but the Jews.
> 
> Ok, so at least you're making it clear that you're an anti-semite.   BTW, just
> what, exactly, do you think the "official" Jewish approach to the world is?
> Also, why do you see things as the Jews vs. everybody else?  Why so black and
> white about it?  Academics have to be able to see the shades of grey in
> things.  No wonder you're a failed academic.
> 
> >That is why I say your approach insists that Jews are angels every bit as
> >strongly as the Nazis insist Jews are devils.
> 
> This idea of yours is not clearly presented here.  Care to give us a little
> more detail on why disagreeing with you is saying "Jews are angels?"
> 
> >> * Do American blacks people have an inherent right to live in the same
> >> cities as white people?
> >
> >    I do not understand the term "inherent" as used here.
> 
> Big surprise.  How about just leaving out the word "inherent" in the above
> question then?  Afterall, the term "inherent right" is redundent.  All rights
> are inherent or they'd be privileges.  So, Booby, do American black people
> have the right to live in the same cities as American white people?
> 
> >Attend the same colleges?
> >
> >        No.
> 
> Why not?  At least you're finally coming clear about being a racist fool.  It
> also makes it clearer why academia and you have parted company.
> 
> >>Live in the same neighborhoods?
> 
> > No.
> 
> Again, why not?
> 
> >Marry a blond-haired blue-eyed 18-year-old virgin named Schmidt?
> >
> >        Absolutely not.
> 
> Oh heavens no!  We have to protect our women folk!  ROTFL!  Bobby's probably
> starts seathing with jealousy at the very thought of a black guy diddling a
> fine white maiden.
> 
> >   We now get to your basic interest.  All white majority countries must
> >be immigrated into and integrated and intermarried, as your final
> >solution to the white problem.  Everybody else has homelands of their
> >own, but not whitey.
> >   Your reasons are 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white
> >race deserves it.     I am not so naive as to suppose any of you will
> >ever address any of this.  I say it over your heads to those who do want
> >it answered.
> >    You're just static.
> 
> Odd, I don't see the question as pointing to this "basic interest" at all.
> Its a big leap to go from saying you think its ok for whites and blacks to
> marry to saying that someone's out to destroy the white race.  Why do you see
> things in such stark terms?  What are you so worried about and why?  Have you
> gotten so used to creating strawmen to attack that you can't see things any
> other way?
> 
> >> * Are blacks capable of success in modern industrial society?
> >
> >   Please go back to your Mommy Professor and get an update.  "Modern
> >industrial society" is a cliche from a generation ago.  This is a
> >post-industrial third wave society.
> 
> Oh, how very chic.  "Third wave" indeed.  Pick up any more of Newt's favorite
> buzz words lately?   Instead of dodging the question, perhaps you'd favor us
> with an answer.  Perhaps if I reworded it for you.  How about:  Are blacks
> capable of success in our current society?
> 
> >        I think that with enough whites to carry them, a black minority can
> >do wonderfully for themselves,
> 
> Just like those who work for Texaco, right?  Or had to live in Soweto?  And
> just why didn't you emigrate to South Africa or Rhodesia when the getting was
> good?  Just why do blacks need whites to carry them?  Where have whites
> "carried" blacks in the past?
> 
> Allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


   Now, you said if+ I would dare answer these questions, you would
suddnely have all this great respect, etc. -- the old PC crap.  Now you
just bitch, as you clones always do when someone actually answers your
questions.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <32930a08.13643714@news.wco.com>,
>    lbo@ortcloud.net (L B Olson) wrote:
> ::jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh) wrote:
> ::>The universities are places where ideas are debated and challenged with
> ::>other ideas.
> ::
> ::So then, you haven't been to college.
> 
> I received my BA in history from the U of Washington (Seattle, Washington) in
> 1965 and my Juris Doctor from the U of W School of Law in 1973.
> 
> ::In Taiwan with your parents?
> 
> Nope. My parents live on Mercer Island. BTW, where are your folks, now?
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]



       You're Poltiically Correct.  No one cares about your background.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:13 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Standard first reply from a PC.  I'm at the University of London,
isn't everybody impressed?  We make light of you peasants, etc.


Huw Jones wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > Huw Jones wrote:
> > >
> > > cynthia gage wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <32875874.697@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> > > > >     OH, HORSESHIT!
> > > > >     None of the clones who insist IQ is  meaningless would let anybody
> > > > > try for one of their precious PhD's who did not have an IQ of at least
> > > > > 120.
> > > > >     Get off it!
> > > >
> > > > I disagree with your statment completely.  Since when was IQ ever a
> > > > pre-requisit for a PhD? And are you saying that having a PhD is a direct
> > > > indicator of high intelligence?
> > > >
> > > > Just wondering,
> > > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > Why waste you time wondering over someone who's 'apparently' incapable
> > > of recognising the difference between reasoned argument and abuse? Do
> > > you seriously expect an intelligent reply? Remember, you're dealing with
> > > someone who posts up the same vacuous abuse to two (maybe more)
> > > thoughtful posts.
> > >
> >
> >     And he is objective!   He gets paid to push Political Correctness,
> > so you can count on this boy!
> 
> Well Bob, I have to admit that you gave me a great laugh when I read
> your post. You should be on  TV, enlightening a grateful public with
> your penetrating insights and delighting them with such incisive,
> caustic wit.
> 
> So, I'm paid to "push Political Correctness" eh? Well, I've got my job
> description right here and, you know Bob, my superiors at the University
> of London Kremlin (or Senate House, as we unthinking peasants refer to
> it) have photographically altered it to remove all traces of the dreaded
> "PC words" -  amazing! - but then again, maybe I just don't have your
> capacity to discern what goes on 'beneath the surface', right? I was
> almost too trapped within my ideological prison to recognise a 'great
> man', even when he responded with such thoughtfullness, wisdom and
> evident concern for the facts. Gee Bob, thanks for showing us dimwits
> the way...
> 
> Look, nothing personal right? - but I can only assume that the cause of
> all this mindless (if amusing) venom is that you've had some dreadful
> experience(s) in you educational career, and now see fit to take revenge
> via the internet on "precious PhD's" (incidentally, your somewhat
> limited capacity to write good English leaves it unclear if you are
> objecting to doctorates per se, or those who possess them.) Who knows
> though, maybe you're like this with everyone...
> 
> I really, really wish that there was some substance in your otherwise
> completely juvenile replies that could be addressed properly, but you
> seem unwilling (or should I say unable) to articulate a coherent
> argument.
> 
> You have reinforced the point I made to Cynthia. In the meantime I await
> further enlightenment, O Great  One, handkerchief ready to wipe away the
> tears of laughter as my mind is taken to a higher plane...
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Huw Jones
> International Centre for Research on Assessment
> Institute of Education
> 20 Bedford Way
> London UK
> WC1H 0AL
> 
> Tel: +44 (0)171 612 6447
> Fax: +44 (0)171 612 6256
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> "People know what they do. They frequently know why they do what they
> do. What they don't know is what what they do does"  Michel Foucault.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:14 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <328AA954.64DD@akamail.com>, rdunsheath@akamail.com wrote:
> 
> > cynthia gage wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you for the thoughtful reminder.  As an undergraduate in
> > > Anthropology (and feminist and gender studies) I was beginning to get
> > > rather frustrated by the some of the narrow and intolerant things I've
> > > been reading.
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Cynthia
> >
> > Poor little thing.  Better haul your ass back to
> > Momma Professor, so she can pat you on the
> > head and tell you everything going to be
> > PC.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rich
> 
> Thanks Rich.  You're comment was very informative, now I know to expect
> from you the common yell of PC to anything you don't agree with but don't
> care to explain why.
> 
> Take care,
> Cynthia


   We object to PC because we've heard it all a thousand times, we've
had to live under it all our lives, and not a damned bit of it ever
WORKS.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Diane Carlisle wrote:
> 
> >>> None of the clones who insist IQ is  meaningless would let anybody
> >>> try for one of their precious PhD's who did not have an IQ of at least
> >>> 120.
> 
> No one asked me my IQ when I applied to (or upon being accepted to) a Ph.D.
> program in the sciences.
> 
> --
>  ******************************************************************************
>      I don't suffer from insanity.  I enjoy every minute of it.
>                 All opinions expressed are my own!


   Nobody gets a science PhD without a testable IQ above 120.  Period.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:16 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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The Seeker wrote:
> 
> Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.  See news.admin.net-abuse.announce
> for further information.
> 
> Aryan wrote:
> >
> > intphase@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote in article
> > <5665pu$dbc@news.sas.ab.ca>...
> > >
> > > THIS IS HORRIBLE BUT TRUE.
> > >
> > > Social and economic policies of government will exterminate the white
> > > people of this country.  Fact: (Vital Statistics) the birth rate of white
> > > people is about 1.4.  Fact: This means total extinction in about 70
> > > years, a sustained 2.2 birthrate maintains population.  This genocide is
> > > due to the most comprehensive policy of government ever devised in
> > > history.  Most "Western countries" have adopted or are implementing
> > > these policies.
> > >
> > > 1. Economic Policy.  In Canada, white people are only allowed a mere
> > > 10% of all government grants and bank loans, although they represent
> > > nearly 80% of the population.  Foreigners, immigrants, and other races
> > > receive 90% of all funding.  Affirmative Actions Programs such as that
> > > of the City of Edmonton, disbarred all white males from the 1996 fire-
> > > fighter employment.  Unemployment for young white males is at least
> > > 30%, three times higher than normal.
> > >
> > > 2.  Social Policy.  Since young white men are discriminated against in
> > > employment, it will be very difficult to court, marry or raise families.
> >
> > > Young women will be forced to marry coloured men to sire their children.
> > > There are far more coloured men marrying white women than white men
> > > marrying coloured women.  Clearly white men, and coloured women
> > > are severely discriminated against.  In advertising, media and educat-
> > > ional materials white to white parings are disturbingly rare.
> > >
> > > 3.  Homosexuals.  To ensure further reductions of births FEMINAZIS
> > > are encouraged and financed by our government.  In schoolbooks there
> > > is little or no reference to raising a family.  A satanic approach to the
> > > pursuit of money is all that matters.  A woman's role as mother is
> > > defiled, and the seed of life destroyed.  Families have no rights, but
> > > homosexuals have legal rights, protections,guarantees and protection.
> > > Taxpayers are subsidizing perverted lifestyles which would lead to the
> > > extermination of our race.
> > >
> > > 4.  Criminals.  It is no accident that the Immigration Department imports
> > > thousands of criminals into Canada every year.  Drug dealers and pimps,
> > > most immigrant and visible minorities, are encouraged to come to
> > > Canada, with welcome arms from the Government.  If ordered deported
> > > by the courts, the Immigration Department will often stay the order.
> > > If convicted, jail terms are lightly served in our hotel -prisons.  This
> > is
> > > obscene compared to the vicious punishment these scum inflict on their
> > > victims, mostly young white people.  Almost 50% of battered women
> > > who go to shelters in Canada are turned away.  Every dirty little
> > > immigrant who says he is a refugee is immediately given two years of
> > > hotels, heath care, lawyers, appeals, food allowances, training and
> > > support.  We spend 2 billion dollars on these scum, our own people
> > > get cutbacks or nothing at all.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> Thanks for the joke.  It was pretty funny.


   Of course,if anybody said that about the Holocaust, this PC clone
would go ballistic.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:17 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Lorne Beaton wrote:
> 
> In article <3288FA79.CCB@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >
> >    The white race is important to me because it is my race, not because
> >it is some kind of objective master race.  If you do not know what I
> >mean by white race, I think you are using sophistry in a very serious
> >situation.
> 
> That's your opinion.
> 
> >    Human identity, racial, national, etc., has always been at least as
> >important a  matter as economics in history.
> 
> Quite true. The problem comes in when people choose race as the basis of
> their own identity or that of others. As has been reiterated on many
> occasions, race is not an appropriate basis for classifying humans, at
> least scientifically. It *is* appropriate _insofar as people define
> themselves by race_, but scientifically, race is not an inherent facet of
> human identity.
> 
> Mr. Whitaker, I'd like to ask you to do something that you may be
> reluctant to do: Put your race aside for a moment. By this, I mean stop
> thinking of your skin/hair/eye colour, racial/national descent, etc., as
> an index to your identity. (I realize that you probably consider these
> aspects central to your identity, but if you can, try to make the leap.)
> Think about things like the language you speak, the food you like to eat,
> etc.; what your hopes and dreams are, for you and for your children if you
> have any. Ask yourself:
> 
> * How many non-whites speak the same language you do? (English is
>   already almost a universal language.)
> * Could you live on the same food non-whites do?
> * Isn't that what everyone wants, for themselves and their children?
> 
> >       Many times in my life I have pointed out simple, fundamental
> >absurdities, and this logic that doing away with whites is good b ecause
> >1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white race deserves it, is
> >just one more.
> >        Genocide, even against whites, is a deadly serious business.
> 
> No one wants to do away with the white race in any way. What *must* be
> done away with, though, is white-skin privilege, or any kind of racial
> privilege. It is evil, and it cannot be justified. You should check out a
> journal called _Race Traitor_. I don't recall the URL, but they do have a
> web site. Try Alta Vista. Even if you think I'm full of shit, you should
> know about this.
> --
> Lorne Beaton: beaton1@server.uwindsor.ca
> ----------------------------------------
> "I am not Montel Williams.
>  I AM NOT MONTEL WILLIAMS!" - John Munch


    The only countries targetted for your precious immigration and
integration progranm are majority-white countries.  Your program
includes every single majority-white country.  That's genocide.
    Every time you discuss "solving the race problem", it is always
doing away with the white race you are talkling about.  As always
happens, past injustice is now being used to justify present genocide,
which will lead to a nasty reaction.  And so on, ad infinitem.
    If today's reaction against past white injustice were in fact
limited, as you keep claiming, merely to doing away with injustice, it
would be the first time in history such a reaction ever stayed within
such rational bounds.
    The fact is, you are no such exception.  Your words are antiracist,
your program is invariably anti-white.
    That is why you cannot see the difference between my concern over
the disappearance of my own race and chattel slavery.  This is typical
of people like you who adhere to the fashionable fanaticism of the
moment.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <328CDDBA.0@vegas.infi.net>,
>    The Generalissimo  wrote:
> ::CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> ::>
> ::> Just curious, what do you race-defining types consider Indian Indians?
> ::> Their features are 'caucasoid' but their skin tone is often extremely
> ::> dark?  What little category should those 800 million people be slotted
> ::> under?
> ::>
> ::> Carl Skutsch
> ::> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
> ::> http://members.aol.com/zenfrycook/carl.html
> ::
> ::
> ::I've wondered that too untill mahatma patel (the Mac Gangsta) cleared it
> ::up for me.  He informed us that HIS people were slaves in the south
> ::prior to the civil war.  So indians must be black.
> 
> Of course this is meant as a joke. But it reveals, indirectly, the
> intellectual emptiness of the "racist" model.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


   Yes.  The "intellectuals" accuse anybody who talks about the white
race of being A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.   Very, very
intellectual indeed!


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <328b9ba8.15615726@news.idsonline.com>, marshall@haverford.edu wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:11:58 -0800, kate@accessone.com (Kathleen
> > Mulhern) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <328a8223.32600184@news2.cais.com>, marshall@haverford.edu wrote:
> > >
> 
> > >
> > >And the caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid people have all been mixing since
> > >the beginning of time.
> > >... There is no such thing as a "pure" race, and thank God.  Only
> > >intermixing can ensure a strong population.  "Pure" races, as seen, for
> > >instance, in dogs, would eventually involve inbreeding, physical
> > >anomolies, weakness, and finally the dying off of that race.  Most pure
> > >bred dalmations, because they have been inbred for so many years, have
> > >skin diseases, eye diseases and hip dysplasia.
> > >
> >
> > Kathleen, if your argument were at all consistent then you'd be
> > agitating for white people to go to Asia and Africa and mix their
> > genes with the native populations, which you have just now stated are
> > inferior.
> 
> She doesn't have to argue for this because it's already been done. Study
> the history of caravans, exploration, maritime trade, colonialism,
> warfare, prostitution, slavery, and tourism and find out how horny
> soldiers, traders, slavemasters, and travellers have eased their sexal
> tensions when far away from home. Anyone following the news knows that
> interethnic rape in warfare, military brothels, sex tourism, mail-order
> brides, immigration, gross income disparities, and prostitution, all
> provide ample opportunities for gene mixing in which representatives of
> every 'race' on the globe participate.
> 
> Kathleen said that the three 'races' "have all been mixing since
> the beginning of time". She also stated, quite correctly, that all races
> have evolved from a population which originated in Africa, for which
> reason she sees human racial evolution as a complex interplay between
> mixing and differentiation.
> 
> > Most of the people in those places haven't had the benefit
> > of your vaunted "race-mixing".
> 
> Get a hold of a textbook on physical anthropology and compare the features
> of a Moor, a Fulani, a Hottentot, a Watusi, a Malagasy, and a Somali to
> see what nonsense you are writing. The evidence of millennia of mixture
> with neighboring peoples is amply evident in their noticeably different
> physical characteristics.
> 
> > Look at Japan, for instance, which has
> > an extreme degree of race-consciousness.  Are they inferior?
> 
> This 'race-consciousness' is but a recent and temporary historical phase
> in the history of the Japanese people. Anyone with an understanding of the
> ethnogenesis of the Japanese people knows that it involved at least two
> major inputs from Asia, one very early which resulted in the Caucasoid
> Ainu of Hokkaido, and a later one which resulted in the people of more
> Mongolian appearance of northern and western Japan, as well as a third
> one, resulting in the people of more Polynesian appearance which have
> historically dominated in southern and eastern Japan. Over the course of
> several millennia, and with significant inputs at various times from China
> and Korea, the Japanese people eventually amalgamated from these racially
> diverse elements, but the 'typical' inhabitant of northerly Hokkaido is
> still strikingly different from the 'typical' inhabitant of southernmost
> Kyushu.
> 
> > Or can
> > it be that you think only white people should have their genes mixed
> > with other races?
> 
> What Kathleen was emphasizing is that 'race mixing' is as natural and
> inseparable an element of human history as race differentiation. The
> 'Birds of a feather flock together' aspect of human social and racial
> development has always been complemented by the 'Grass is greener on the
> other side of the fence' aspect.


    Your policy only makes the grass is greener legal.  Anybody who is
more compfortable with their own, if they are white, must be chased
down.


 We would add that our ovewrall
> understanding of history shows that people have generally used more
> important criteria than shared skin color or hair texture as the basis for
> establishing trading and the other types of relationships, including
> sexual liaisons, which arise when people are in close and constant contact
> with one another.
> 
> >
> > Finally, Kathleen, MOST of us don't carry canine genes mixed in with
> > our human genes.  I think you've been doing a little bit too much
> > research.  Experimenting on yourself is a no-no.
> >
> 
> Kathleen's use of the inbreeding of Dalmations was a fine example of the
> dangers of 'racial' purity.



    Hilarious!   Once again we're back to the old, old PC argument, of
the total of three or four, that a gene poll of several hundred million
constitutes inbreeding.




 Your reading into it a suggestion that canine
> and human genes are intermixed only reveals something about either your
> reading skills or, we prefer to think, your sense of humor. The dangers of
> inbreeding are well known to anyone who has studied physically and/or
> socially isolated human populations such as the Amish of Pennsyvania or
> the rural population of northern Karelia in Finland.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:21 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> Ok Bobby, I'll put it to you this way.  I have blue eyes.  If tomorrow
> they discovered a way to turn everyone's eyes brown, and parents all over
> the world started giving birth to brown eyed babies, this wouldn't affect
> my eyes.  Even if I could foresee a world without any blue-eyed people,
> I'd still be ok.  And I wouldn't mind.  Likewise whiteness.  I'm white.
> So are you (I assume).  If the white race disappears (unlikely, but I'll
> grant it for the sake of argument) 100 years from now, we'd still be here
> today.  Nobody is trying to kill you or me (well, not me).  The existance
> of a white race or  blue eyed people in the future is something beyond
> my control or interest.  The Human species evolved.  In the past there
> probably we'ren't any "whites" at all.  In the future there may not be.
> Whiteness is a product of living in sun-starved climates.  In case you
> don't take my word for it, you can take the quote of my correspondant
> Eugene Holman of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan
> Heritage:
> >Since homo sapiens originated in the tropical regions of Africa it
> >would be more correct to state that the people living in non-tropical
> >sun-starved climates tend to get lighter coloration over many generations.
> 
> So, your fellow Aryan says that we used to be black.  In the future, if
> we all move south, we may be again.  Why should this matter to you and I?
> The "white race" is not a person, you can't kill it.  Kill me, I'll
> object.  Predict that whiteness will go out of style in a few thousand
> years, and I'll yawn.
> 
> Carl Skutsch (White Guy)
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu


      I think we all know where you stand.
      You have to be white to be an anti-white white.   Each of you
clones in turn think you're saying something new.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why do Republicans want assault weapons?
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:24:28 -0500
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Harvey Harte wrote:
> 
> Laura Carlson wrote:
> >
> > In article <562slg$1sju@news.gate.net>, publius@gate.net (Publius) wrote:
> >
> > > Laura Carlson (lc901@cyb.com) wrote:
> > > : Why?
> > > :
> > > :I suppose it is because they want weapons as good as those possessed
> > >  by their enemies.  PUBLIUS
> > >
> > > : Laura
> >
> > Why not have better law enforcement?  Or is law enforcement our enemy?
> >
> > Laura
> L,
>         Yes.
> --
>                 Harvey E Harte
>         (free speech proponent)
>         Victoria, Canada
>         homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~harv


    I wish you limp-wristed morons would stop calling semiautomatics
"assault weapons".


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:23 PST 1996
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HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR. wrote:
> 
> Rad (gconrad@sprynet.com) wrote:
> : This is biologically possible.
> 
> You are proof positive.
> 
> : Then, the idiotic left would have to decide if it had human rights and
> : should be allowed to vote, fuck white girls and go on welfare. The
> : Judeo-Christians would have to decide if it had a soul.
> 
> : Since I believe in neither souls nor human rights, I would face no dilemma
> : at all. What fun.
> 
> So the issue has already been decided.  Tell us what it's like.
> 
> --
> Buddy K


    Goodness!  What a scientific reply!


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> marshall@haverford.edu (Pete Marshall) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >Classic strategy: you don't like the message?  Attack the messenger.
> 
> Which describes perfectly the only  form of "debate" Bob Whitaker
> has ever engaged in here.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


        I don't attack you, I attack your lack of ideas and your blind
establishmentarianism.
        By the way, as a Great Professional Scientific Anthropologist, I
wonder why YOu didn't bring up what frank@clark.net above did, about the
white skull the Indians buried so they wouldn't have to deal with early
Caucasoids here.  Also his point taht noboyd, but nobody, among the
scientists involved brought up t his crap about there is no such thing
as race or race couldn't be determined from a skull.
	Actually, I don't wonder.  It's not Poltically Correct, of course.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <56jft3$6o@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> ::Actually the "deathcamps" were cordoned off by the Soviets, preventing
> ::anyone from taking pictures or investigating the charges.
> 
> This is a further example of the 'big lie' technique. B. Smith knows this to
> be false but by lying "with a straight face", he expects to fool some people.
> 
> ::Dresden had no strategic
> ::significance whatsoever and was done at the end of the war simply to
> ::kill as many German women, children, and injured as possible.
> 
> The fire bombing of Dresden was a war crime, plain and simple. Those
> responsible (American and British) should have been prosecuted.




   Yes, right.  I'm sure you've been demanding that for a long, long
time.   Oh, I forgot, you only demand prosecution for the Politically
Incorrect, right?
   What hypocritical horseshit.




> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:
> >Rad (gconrad@sprynet.com) wrote:
> 
> >: Laura Finsten  wrote in article
> >: <56kq6g$ocg@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>...
> 
> >: > Reading your posts makes me think it's already been done.
> 
> >: You know what they said about a chimp and a typewriter (now word
> >: processor). He could write Hamlet given enough time.
> 
> >Keep posting, J. Fred.  You'll get Hamlet out within the next century or
> >two.
> 
> I think that's overly optimistic.  But even if a chimp were to succeed,
> the crucial difference is that the chimp would have no idea what he
> had created.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    Yes, but by that time a statement like that would be Speciesism(a
real word, you know).  You Scientific Anthropologists would have
dutifully proved that there is no real difference between a chimp and a
human, and anybody who says there is would be A Nazi Who Wanted To Kill
Six Million Jews.
    And, of course, Anti-Intellectual.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >        By the way, as a Great Professional Scientific Anthropologist, I
> >wonder why YOu didn't bring up what frank@clark.net above did, about the
> >white skull the Indians buried so they wouldn't have to deal with early
> >Caucasoids here.
> 
> Well, Bob, apparently like you, I don't read everything posted on this
> newsgroup.  I didn't see it.  I have heard a little bit about that case
> on CBC radio, though I was unaware that it had already been reburied.
> I've been waiting to see a scientific report on the case.  The dating
> has not been established through geophysical methods, if I remember
> correctly.  The other problem, too, is that whatever Bonnichsen says,
> you can't make a "racial determination" based on skeletal remains that
> is 100 percent certain.  Would you like to me to post references about
> the whole process of making such determinations, about the margins of
> error, and that stuff?
> 
> Interesting that you are accusing the natives of trying to hide the
> "nasty truth".  Course, in this case, the scientists involved are
> real upset about the native decision, so you can't accuse them of
> trying to hide some big bad politically incorrrect truth, can you.
> 
> >Also his point taht noboyd, but nobody, among the
> >scientists involved brought up t his crap about there is no such thing
> >as race or race couldn't be determined from a skull.
> 
> No Bob, there is a bunch of literature on this.  It is a matter of
> probabilities, not certainties.  I don't have a great deal of respect
> for the one scientist I know of who is involved in this project,
> although I might be misjudging him.  He did some work about 20 years
> ago arguing for 200,000 year old tools made out of mammoth bone.
> When the only piece that was clearly the product of human manufacture
> was finally radiocarbon dated, using AMS, it turned out to be about
> 2500 years old (it was made of caribou, rather than mammoth, bone).
> 
> >       Actually, I don't wonder.  It's not Poltically Correct, of course.
> 
> No, there isn't much you wonder about.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


     Gosh, what a shock!   Your scientific Anthropology comes to its
100,000th consecutive Politically Correct conclusion.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:28 PST 1996
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TJ Colvin wrote:
> 
> Let's get real. NO private citizen needs a gun. If no one had guns but
> the national army, and if the people actually voiced their opinions
> and demanded certain reforms, we could get the guns off the streets.
> Face it, we don't need to form any militias any more, so lets just get
> rid of them.
> 
> TJ Colvin


	Yea, and the next time you get mugged, call a hippy.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:29 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <56grhv$1vh@is05.micron.net>,
>    sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> ::Let's just "give it up" and let the White race go down
> ::the sewage drainpipe of history.  No big loss, right?
> 
> Well let's see. If the "white" race (which you still are unable to define) is
> "superior", then there is nothing to worry about, right? If it is not, then
> who cares? Since the "white" race is a figment of your imagination, it can not
> either survive or be destroyed. It has never existed.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


    Stalin and Hitler used a similar logic.  Hitler said Poland did not
exist because Poles were slavs.  Stalin said it didn't exist because it
was capitalist.  Poland itself made no claim to superiority.
     So, according to you, Polands' destruction made no difference.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:21:30 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Peter Nosko wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote in article
> <328F778F.7542@conterra.com>...
> > frank@clark.net wrote:
> > >
> > > I moved this over from a thread called "Whites...the NEW native
> > > Americans."
> > >
> > > Allan Matthews (amatthews@cybercom.net) wrote:
> > > : In article
> ,
> Maverick  wrote:
> > > : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> > > : >>
> > > : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier
> rightful place
> > > : > as
> > > : >> native americans.
> > > : >
> > > : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a
> 10,000+yr
> > > : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European
> genetically
> > > : >rather than the Asian-Indian...
> > > : >
> > > : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration
> here.
> > > : >
> > > : >looks like I'll have to start marking that native American section.
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > : Gee, you'd think that something like this would be big news.  Just
> where did
> > > : you find this little piece of information?  Not that I think you're
> making
> > > : this up or anything...
> > >
> > > It was big news, as least in the scientific community. What happened is
> > > that an archeologist dug up a skull in North America that looked quite
> > > Caucasoid to him and dated it very early, but not earlier than the
> first
> > > Indian migrations. It was in the _New Yrok Times_.
> > >
> > > However, Federal law appears to let Indians keep their ancestor's
> remains
> > > and rebury them if they wish. So the tribe in question (which had only
> > > lived in the region for 500 years) claimed that this skeleton was one
> of
> > > "their" ancestors. Upshot: whatever Federal agency is responsible for
> > > interpreting the law ordered that the tribe could rebury the skull and
> did
> > > not have to allow any further scientific testing to corroborate the
> > > skull's race and to more precisely date it. As I recall the margin of
> > > error of the preliminary dating was a factor of two.
> > >
> > > A couple of weeks later the Tuesday "Science News" section of the NYT
> had
> > > a major article on the Indian Fundamentalists, which is exactly the
> word
> > > used. I looked in my pile of clippings for the piece, since I know I
> saved
> > > it, but it wasn't in that particular pile.
> > >
> > > Oddly enough, at least in terms of what gets said on this thread, there
> > > was no one saying that races don't exist, that race cannot be inferred
> > > from a skull, and other such things. Anyhow, it is an exciting
> discovery,
> > > and I hope the archeologist snipped off some hair or whatever for DNA
> > > testing.
> > >
> > > Frank Forman
> > > frank@clark.net
> > > "It is a far, far better thing to be firmly
> > > anchored in nonsense than to put out on the
> > > troubled seas of thought" - John Kenneth Galbraith
> > > --
> >
> >
> >    One of the ng's here is anthropolgy.  Isn't it a surprise that not
> > one single Scientifi Anthropologist Who Proves Race Don't Exist even
> > mentioned this at all.
> >     Is anybody surprised?
> >
> 
> Yeah, right.  Sounds just like a fish story--  "It was
> <----------this---------> big, but I threw it back."
> 
> Anyone got the name of the Anthropologist that dug it up?
> 
> --
> Peter Nosko
> pete@technologist.com
> Race is a Pigment of the Imagination


   Finsten, after not bringing the subject up at all, since it was
un-PC, did name the anthropologist after she was called on it by
Forman.  To our unanimous surprise, she declared he was untrustworthy,
thereby producing the 100,000the consecutive politically Correct
statement of Scientific Anthropoly.
	You clones must now go drom "it didn't happen" to "it didn't matter". 
As usual.


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Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote:
> 
> On 11 Nov 1996 23:57:13 GMT, Laura Finsten 
> wrote:
> 
> >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>: >(Para mas carcajadas debes leer los escritos de un cierto gusano
> >>: >comecola.)
> >
> >>: Sea posible que nuestro gusanon favorito excede de Leacock en la cantidad
> >>: de carcajadas por palabra, pero es claro que Leacock gana en la calidad.
> >
> >
> >>Estoy completamente de acuerdo contigo.
> >
> >Hay que considerar que el gusano grandote gana lo mas carcajadas con las
> >palabras "serias", en su mente (si sea posible describir una cavidad vacia
> >del craneo asi).
> 
> Algunos gusanos al menos tienen alguna esperanza de transformarse en
> mariposas. Lamentablemente nuestro mundo esta poblado de seres
> quasi-humanos  indistinguibles de los gusanos.  Estas lombrices
> bipedas mueren a la luz de la verdad. Matemos algunas!
> 
> Harry W. Mazal OBE
> 
> Nizkor (USA)  An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
> Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org
> Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)


       My God, he has an OBE and he speaks Spanish!
       Is everybody deeply, deeply impressed?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> AgamemnoN  wrote:
> >If Mr Whitaker was to actually tell you who his clients are, its not
> >as if you wouldn't try and contact them or anything??
> 
> Actually, I think that the problem is that almost anyone who's had
> any "interchange" with the Whitless one would be amazed to learn
> what sort of job it actually *was.* Based on the level of analysis
> and critical reasoning [to say nothing of his grasp of simple notions
> like "evidence"] I've seen here and on Bob's web page "book," I can't
> imagine what sort of properly accredited institution would grant him
> a *undergraduate* degree, let stand anything higher. If William Anderson's
> comments on his having edited this book on the "New Right" here are right,
> I'm left with an equally wierd conundrum. The edit job seems reasonably work-
> manlike, so how do we explain that this work was done by the ranting kook
> we behold here in the present? Is the editor Bob somehow "in drag" as
> a man capable of mounting a reasonable argument, and the Bob who delights
> us here is his "real self" [he's discussed dissembling in print in his early
> posts, after all, so it's reasonable to entertain that that's the case]?
> Perhaps there's some intervening bits we know little about (that's my guess).
> If so, the time line on the guy who edited this book to bwhit is a
> journey of tragic proportions; G*d save us all from such a fate.
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html



     I am mortally wounded!
     As you all know, I live and die by the opinion of brain-dead PC
types.


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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <3288F620.4A70@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >Jacques Mirelle wrote:
> >> * Literally, are you "A Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews"? Yes or
> >> no?
> >
> >   No.
> >
> >>
> >> * Do you think that Hitler murdered millions of Jews? Don't equivocate
> >> by talking about the alleged "propaganda campaign" and lack of real
> >> evidence -- just say exactly what you believe.
> >
> >      I believe lots of Jews were killed by Nazis.  Unlike you, I do not
> >believe in anything which smacks of required internal consent.
> 
> "Required internal consent?"  What, exactly, do you mean by that little
> phrase, Booby?   Trying to shift, minimize or avoid the blame?
> 
> > I have no idea how many Jews died under Hitler, but I am willing to bet the
> >official figure is wrong.
> 
> Why is that?  Especially since there are no "official" figures, just how many
> Jews do YOU think the Nazis killed?
> 
> >      I have faith in offical figures.
> 
> An odd statement given what you said about the Holocaust's "official"
> figures...
> 
> >        Either there is something basically wrong with the official Jewish
> >approach to the world, or everybody is crazy but the Jews.
> 
> Ok, so at least you're making it clear that you're an anti-semite.   BTW, just
> what, exactly, do you think the "official" Jewish approach to the world is?
> Also, why do you see things as the Jews vs. everybody else?  Why so black and
> white about it?  Academics have to be able to see the shades of grey in
> things.  No wonder you're a failed academic.
> 
> >That is why I say your approach insists that Jews are angels every bit as
> >strongly as the Nazis insist Jews are devils.
> 
> This idea of yours is not clearly presented here.  Care to give us a little
> more detail on why disagreeing with you is saying "Jews are angels?"
> 
> >> * Do American blacks people have an inherent right to live in the same
> >> cities as white people?
> >
> >    I do not understand the term "inherent" as used here.
> 
> Big surprise.  How about just leaving out the word "inherent" in the above
> question then?  Afterall, the term "inherent right" is redundent.  All rights
> are inherent or they'd be privileges.  So, Booby, do American black people
> have the right to live in the same cities as American white people?
> 
> >Attend the same colleges?
> >
> >        No.
> 
> Why not?  At least you're finally coming clear about being a racist fool.  It
> also makes it clearer why academia and you have parted company.
> 
> >>Live in the same neighborhoods?
> 
> > No.
> 
> Again, why not?
> 
> >Marry a blond-haired blue-eyed 18-year-old virgin named Schmidt?
> >
> >        Absolutely not.
> 
> Oh heavens no!  We have to protect our women folk!  ROTFL!  Bobby's probably
> starts seathing with jealousy at the very thought of a black guy diddling a
> fine white maiden.
> 
> >   We now get to your basic interest.  All white majority countries must
> >be immigrated into and integrated and intermarried, as your final
> >solution to the white problem.  Everybody else has homelands of their
> >own, but not whitey.
> >   Your reasons are 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white
> >race deserves it.     I am not so naive as to suppose any of you will
> >ever address any of this.  I say it over your heads to those who do want
> >it answered.
> >    You're just static.
> 
> Odd, I don't see the question as pointing to this "basic interest" at all.
> Its a big leap to go from saying you think its ok for whites and blacks to
> marry to saying that someone's out to destroy the white race.  Why do you see
> things in such stark terms?  What are you so worried about and why?  Have you
> gotten so used to creating strawmen to attack that you can't see things any
> other way?
> 
> >> * Are blacks capable of success in modern industrial society?
> >
> >   Please go back to your Mommy Professor and get an update.  "Modern
> >industrial society" is a cliche from a generation ago.  This is a
> >post-industrial third wave society.
> 
> Oh, how very chic.  "Third wave" indeed.  Pick up any more of Newt's favorite
> buzz words lately?   Instead of dodging the question, perhaps you'd favor us
> with an answer.  Perhaps if I reworded it for you.  How about:  Are blacks
> capable of success in our current society?
> 
> >        I think that with enough whites to carry them, a black minority can
> >do wonderfully for themselves,
> 
> Just like those who work for Texaco, right?  Or had to live in Soweto?  And
> just why didn't you emigrate to South Africa or Rhodesia when the getting was
> good?  Just why do blacks need whites to carry them?  Where have whites
> "carried" blacks in the past?
> 
> Allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


   Now, you said if+ I would dare answer these questions, you would
suddnely have all this great respect, etc. -- the old PC crap.  Now you
just bitch, as you clones always do when someone actually answers your
questions.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:41:18 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,sci.bio.misc,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nation
Subject: Re: What Would Happen If the Academic Bureaucracy Levelled With Itself?
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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >cynthia gage wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <328BEB9E.2C11@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >    We object to PC because we've heard it all a thousand times, we've
> >> > had to live under it all our lives, and not a damned bit of it ever
> >> > WORKS.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but it seems to me that the only place I've heard "PC" is from
> >> you. What is the "it" that "not a damned bit of ever WORKS"?  Instead of
> >> talking in generalized fad acronyms why don't you talk about what you
> >> think composes the so-called "PC" ideas or better yet, specifically what
> >> you think is not working and what you think would work instead?
> >> :)
> >> Cynthia
> 
> >         What we call academe today is a multi-billion-dollar,
> >self-perpetuating, self-selected bureaucracy.
> >          The difference between the academic bureaucracy and any other
> >self-selecting bureaucracy is that academe claims, as its sole product,
> >objective, unbiassed, balanced truth.   It has no other reason for
> >existence.
> >           Is the academic bureaucracy actually the first self-selecting
> >bureaucracy in history to produce anything approaching objectivity, or
> >is its product simply a predictable result of its biasses?
> >            Start with the big question: nurture versus nature.
> >Academe produces solutions for our social ills in the form of social
> >theories which lead to massive social programs spending hundreds of
> >billions each year.
> >             To conclude that a problem is a result of genetics is to
> >put the problem to
> >beyond the reach of social programs.   The predictable result in the
> >case of a self-
> >selecting bureaucracy would be a solid and fanatical resistance to
> >anything that smacked of favoring nature over nurture.
> >       By an amazing coincidence, the Politically Correct position is that any
> >attempt to blame a problem on heredity  makes one anti-intellectual.
> >       Remember that the academic bureaucracy does claim to be objective.
> >That is why we give them money and the right to indoctrinate our young
> >people.   Their reaction is that of any bureacracy, but their claim is
> >that they are unique.
> >       Over and over, the PC types insist that all points of view are present
> >in academe.   But what I have seen is that Politically Correct positions
> >are spo predictable in terms of academic interests that no one would
> >fort a second claim any other bureaucracy would be objective in pushing
> >them.
> >       The reaction against Political Correctness( so strong that now even the
> >most Politically Correct insist they aren't) comes from a growing
> >recognition that today's acadmic bureaucracy has become just one more
> >bureaucracy.  They use the cry of academic freedom and billions in
> >public money and control over young minds to provide what amounts to a
> >system of religious seminaries pushing their favorite doctrines.   The
> >PhD's and claims of objective intellectuality intimidates an ever
> >smaller group of people.
> >       All bureaucracies claim to be objective, of course.  Most doctors will
> >tellyou their position on socialized medicine is objective, and tehy
> >believe it.  Businessmen also claim to be objective, and they believe
> >it.  But the difference is that other groups exist to provide us with
> >services, such as medicine or, in the case of business, with goods nad
> >services.
> >       But the academic bureaucracy exists only to provide us with
> >objectivity.  It could admit it is a self-perpetuating and examine
> >itseelf mercilessly in this light, or it could do what any
> >self-selecting bureaucracy would do its case: use its claim of
> >objectivity and intellectualism to push its interests.  They believe the
> >former, they are doing the latter.
> >       If anyone bothers to comment on this, please include some reason why
> >you think this particular bureaucracy has performed the unique result of
> >being objective.
> 
> Mygod, Bobby.
> Is this post of you have written supposed to be intelligible?
> Try repeating to yourself, Bobby, (you do have a *thing* for
> repetition, so perhaps this technique will be effective)
> 
>    "Bobby must strive to write coherently"
> 
>    "Bobby must strive to write coherently"
> 
>     "Bobby must strive to write coherently"
> 
> Anyway,  in reference to the subject line of this  post,
> 
> What would happen if Bobby Whitaker levelled with us.
> 
> Are you a member of the infamous national alliance or NOT?
> 
> Be a man. Level with the readers!
> 
> Hoping you feel better soon,
> 
> JRS


    Anything that isn't one of your Mommy Professor's well-worn cliches
is incomprehensible to you.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:41:19 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.feminazis,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Let's cross an ape with a human
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HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR. wrote:
> 
> Rad (gconrad@sprynet.com) wrote:
> : This is biologically possible.
> 
> You are proof positive.
> 
> : Then, the idiotic left would have to decide if it had human rights and
> : should be allowed to vote, fuck white girls and go on welfare. The
> : Judeo-Christians would have to decide if it had a soul.
> 
> : Since I believe in neither souls nor human rights, I would face no dilemma
> : at all. What fun.
> 
> So the issue has already been decided.  Tell us what it's like.
> 
> --
> Buddy K


    Goodness!  What a scientific reply!


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.feminazis,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Let's cross an ape with a human
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:
> >Rad (gconrad@sprynet.com) wrote:
> 
> >: Laura Finsten  wrote in article
> >: <56kq6g$ocg@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>...
> 
> >: > Reading your posts makes me think it's already been done.
> 
> >: You know what they said about a chimp and a typewriter (now word
> >: processor). He could write Hamlet given enough time.
> 
> >Keep posting, J. Fred.  You'll get Hamlet out within the next century or
> >two.
> 
> I think that's overly optimistic.  But even if a chimp were to succeed,
> the crucial difference is that the chimp would have no idea what he
> had created.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    Yes, but by that time a statement like that would be Speciesism(a
real word, you know).  You Scientific Anthropologists would have
dutifully proved that there is no real difference between a chimp and a
human, and anybody who says there is would be A Nazi Who Wanted To Kill
Six Million Jews.
    And, of course, Anti-Intellectual.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 19 07:41:21 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Peter Nosko wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote in article
> <328F778F.7542@conterra.com>...
> > frank@clark.net wrote:
> > >
> > > I moved this over from a thread called "Whites...the NEW native
> > > Americans."
> > >
> > > Allan Matthews (amatthews@cybercom.net) wrote:
> > > : In article
> ,
> Maverick  wrote:
> > > : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> > > : >>
> > > : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier
> rightful place
> > > : > as
> > > : >> native americans.
> > > : >
> > > : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a
> 10,000+yr
> > > : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European
> genetically
> > > : >rather than the Asian-Indian...
> > > : >
> > > : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration
> here.
> > > : >
> > > : >looks like I'll have to start marking that native American section.
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > : Gee, you'd think that something like this would be big news.  Just
> where did
> > > : you find this little piece of information?  Not that I think you're
> making
> > > : this up or anything...
> > >
> > > It was big news, as least in the scientific community. What happened is
> > > that an archeologist dug up a skull in North America that looked quite
> > > Caucasoid to him and dated it very early, but not earlier than the
> first
> > > Indian migrations. It was in the _New Yrok Times_.
> > >
> > > However, Federal law appears to let Indians keep their ancestor's
> remains
> > > and rebury them if they wish. So the tribe in question (which had only
> > > lived in the region for 500 years) claimed that this skeleton was one
> of
> > > "their" ancestors. Upshot: whatever Federal agency is responsible for
> > > interpreting the law ordered that the tribe could rebury the skull and
> did
> > > not have to allow any further scientific testing to corroborate the
> > > skull's race and to more precisely date it. As I recall the margin of
> > > error of the preliminary dating was a factor of two.
> > >
> > > A couple of weeks later the Tuesday "Science News" section of the NYT
> had
> > > a major article on the Indian Fundamentalists, which is exactly the
> word
> > > used. I looked in my pile of clippings for the piece, since I know I
> saved
> > > it, but it wasn't in that particular pile.
> > >
> > > Oddly enough, at least in terms of what gets said on this thread, there
> > > was no one saying that races don't exist, that race cannot be inferred
> > > from a skull, and other such things. Anyhow, it is an exciting
> discovery,
> > > and I hope the archeologist snipped off some hair or whatever for DNA
> > > testing.
> > >
> > > Frank Forman
> > > frank@clark.net
> > > "It is a far, far better thing to be firmly
> > > anchored in nonsense than to put out on the
> > > troubled seas of thought" - John Kenneth Galbraith
> > > --
> >
> >
> >    One of the ng's here is anthropolgy.  Isn't it a surprise that not
> > one single Scientifi Anthropologist Who Proves Race Don't Exist even
> > mentioned this at all.
> >     Is anybody surprised?
> >
> 
> Yeah, right.  Sounds just like a fish story--  "It was
> <----------this---------> big, but I threw it back."
> 
> Anyone got the name of the Anthropologist that dug it up?
> 
> --
> Peter Nosko
> pete@technologist.com
> Race is a Pigment of the Imagination


   Finsten, after not bringing the subject up at all, since it was
un-PC, did name the anthropologist after she was called on it by
Forman.  To our unanimous surprise, she declared he was untrustworthy,
thereby producing the 100,000the consecutive politically Correct
statement of Scientific Anthropoly.
	You clones must now go drom "it didn't happen" to "it didn't matter". 
As usual.


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Harry W. Mazal OBE wrote:
> 
> On 11 Nov 1996 23:57:13 GMT, Laura Finsten 
> wrote:
> 
> >fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>: >(Para mas carcajadas debes leer los escritos de un cierto gusano
> >>: >comecola.)
> >
> >>: Sea posible que nuestro gusanon favorito excede de Leacock en la cantidad
> >>: de carcajadas por palabra, pero es claro que Leacock gana en la calidad.
> >
> >
> >>Estoy completamente de acuerdo contigo.
> >
> >Hay que considerar que el gusano grandote gana lo mas carcajadas con las
> >palabras "serias", en su mente (si sea posible describir una cavidad vacia
> >del craneo asi).
> 
> Algunos gusanos al menos tienen alguna esperanza de transformarse en
> mariposas. Lamentablemente nuestro mundo esta poblado de seres
> quasi-humanos  indistinguibles de los gusanos.  Estas lombrices
> bipedas mueren a la luz de la verdad. Matemos algunas!
> 
> Harry W. Mazal OBE
> 
> Nizkor (USA)  An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
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       My God, he has an OBE and he speaks Spanish!
       Is everybody deeply, deeply impressed?


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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <3288F620.4A70@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >Jacques Mirelle wrote:
> >> * Literally, are you "A Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews"? Yes or
> >> no?
> >
> >   No.
> >
> >>
> >> * Do you think that Hitler murdered millions of Jews? Don't equivocate
> >> by talking about the alleged "propaganda campaign" and lack of real
> >> evidence -- just say exactly what you believe.
> >
> >      I believe lots of Jews were killed by Nazis.  Unlike you, I do not
> >believe in anything which smacks of required internal consent.
> 
> "Required internal consent?"  What, exactly, do you mean by that little
> phrase, Booby?   Trying to shift, minimize or avoid the blame?
> 
> > I have no idea how many Jews died under Hitler, but I am willing to bet the
> >official figure is wrong.
> 
> Why is that?  Especially since there are no "official" figures, just how many
> Jews do YOU think the Nazis killed?
> 
> >      I have faith in offical figures.
> 
> An odd statement given what you said about the Holocaust's "official"
> figures...
> 
> >        Either there is something basically wrong with the official Jewish
> >approach to the world, or everybody is crazy but the Jews.
> 
> Ok, so at least you're making it clear that you're an anti-semite.   BTW, just
> what, exactly, do you think the "official" Jewish approach to the world is?
> Also, why do you see things as the Jews vs. everybody else?  Why so black and
> white about it?  Academics have to be able to see the shades of grey in
> things.  No wonder you're a failed academic.
> 
> >That is why I say your approach insists that Jews are angels every bit as
> >strongly as the Nazis insist Jews are devils.
> 
> This idea of yours is not clearly presented here.  Care to give us a little
> more detail on why disagreeing with you is saying "Jews are angels?"
> 
> >> * Do American blacks people have an inherent right to live in the same
> >> cities as white people?
> >
> >    I do not understand the term "inherent" as used here.
> 
> Big surprise.  How about just leaving out the word "inherent" in the above
> question then?  Afterall, the term "inherent right" is redundent.  All rights
> are inherent or they'd be privileges.  So, Booby, do American black people
> have the right to live in the same cities as American white people?
> 
> >Attend the same colleges?
> >
> >        No.
> 
> Why not?  At least you're finally coming clear about being a racist fool.  It
> also makes it clearer why academia and you have parted company.
> 
> >>Live in the same neighborhoods?
> 
> > No.
> 
> Again, why not?
> 
> >Marry a blond-haired blue-eyed 18-year-old virgin named Schmidt?
> >
> >        Absolutely not.
> 
> Oh heavens no!  We have to protect our women folk!  ROTFL!  Bobby's probably
> starts seathing with jealousy at the very thought of a black guy diddling a
> fine white maiden.
> 
> >   We now get to your basic interest.  All white majority countries must
> >be immigrated into and integrated and intermarried, as your final
> >solution to the white problem.  Everybody else has homelands of their
> >own, but not whitey.
> >   Your reasons are 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white
> >race deserves it.     I am not so naive as to suppose any of you will
> >ever address any of this.  I say it over your heads to those who do want
> >it answered.
> >    You're just static.
> 
> Odd, I don't see the question as pointing to this "basic interest" at all.
> Its a big leap to go from saying you think its ok for whites and blacks to
> marry to saying that someone's out to destroy the white race.  Why do you see
> things in such stark terms?  What are you so worried about and why?  Have you
> gotten so used to creating strawmen to attack that you can't see things any
> other way?
> 
> >> * Are blacks capable of success in modern industrial society?
> >
> >   Please go back to your Mommy Professor and get an update.  "Modern
> >industrial society" is a cliche from a generation ago.  This is a
> >post-industrial third wave society.
> 
> Oh, how very chic.  "Third wave" indeed.  Pick up any more of Newt's favorite
> buzz words lately?   Instead of dodging the question, perhaps you'd favor us
> with an answer.  Perhaps if I reworded it for you.  How about:  Are blacks
> capable of success in our current society?
> 
> >        I think that with enough whites to carry them, a black minority can
> >do wonderfully for themselves,
> 
> Just like those who work for Texaco, right?  Or had to live in Soweto?  And
> just why didn't you emigrate to South Africa or Rhodesia when the getting was
> good?  Just why do blacks need whites to carry them?  Where have whites
> "carried" blacks in the past?
> 
> Allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


   Now, you said if+ I would dare answer these questions, you would
suddnely have all this great respect, etc. -- the old PC crap.  Now you
just bitch, as you clones always do when someone actually answers your
questions.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 20 06:17:06 PST 1996
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> Bob, you claim that all Politically Correct people think like clones.
> You say that I am Politically Correct.  Yet why do I not share all the
> views that you claim are part of Political Correctness?  (For example,
> I am not a rabid defender of Israel, I support the right of the
> Palestinian people to independant statehood.)  You seem to like putting
> people in simplistic categories (Blacks are this way, Whites are that way,
> PC people are the other way), when the truth is we are all a lot more
> complicated than that.  Even your online enemies probably dislike your
> views for a variety of reasons.
> 
> So, are you still afraid to confront reality?  Will you explain how I,
> an alleged PC person, do not support the PC agenda as you've described it?
> Nah, you'll just mutter about how we're all PC white liberal race
> traitors, and then hunch back to your computer cave.  You are such an
> intellectual coward.  I assume you don't put your ideas up for open
> debate because deep down you realize how wrong they are.
> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu


Politically Correct people always claim they're not these days.


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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <328F5655.6230@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> > > cynthia gage wrote:
> > > > If you re-read my post you'll
> > > > see I'm only interested in why you choose to use "PC" so often but refuse
> > > > to explain what that term means to you and why you are so bitterly opposed
> > > > to those things.
> > >
> > >
> > >         Anybody your age who doesn't know what Political Correctness is
> > > is beyond redemption.  Maybe you have so totally accepted it you don't
> > > know what it is.   I doubt you've ever heard anything else.
> > >         Laura Finsten started out  with your kind of fake sincerity and
> > > friendliness.   It is the same old tactic Mommy Professor teaches you,
> > > and which you always think you thought of: get me to quibbling so I'll
> > > stop talking plain English.
> >
> 
> > > Of coarse I've heard various definitions of PC...but that's the thing -
> > > they vary.  I was asking for YOUR definition of what PC means.  Re-read my
> > > question AGAIN...it asks what "the term means to you".  If defining what
> > > it means to you means you'll "stop talking plain English" ....hmmm.....
> > > :)
> > > Cynthia
> >
> >
> >     I notice you're cut out the earlier communication, where you
> > informed me that the only person you ever heard about PC from was me.
> > That was why, you said, you needed me to explain it to you.  When called
> > on it, you now say of course you've heard of it, you just to quibble
> > about it.
> 
> OK...you got me Bob...I should have explained that what I meant in my
> earlier post was that the only person I was hearing "PC" from ON THIS
> NEWSGROUP was YOU.  You've once again completely avoided answering my
> question so I'll ask one more time if you'll re-read my post.  What does
> "PC" mean to you, what is YOUR definition.  Why do you insist I'm trying
> to trick you?  I've now asked you the same question three times and you've
> yet to answer it.  Perhaps the answer lies in your silence on the issue?
> Perhaps there is no "PC"?
> Still wondering :)
> Cynthia


    Try something novel:  actualy read what I said, hold back the
knee-jerk PC reaction a second, and you will see that I already answered
you.


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Duncan R. MacMillan wrote:
> 
>         Because of the mounting security risk posed by South Africa's crime
> wave, President Mandela will now be travelling to Robben Island each evening
> in order to get a decent night's rest.
>         However, as a mark of confidence in the new South Africa, the
> President will continue sleeping in his office during the day.
> 
> ---
> D. MacMillan
>              Gossip columnist.


	Baie Goed!


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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jrs wrote:
> 
> cgage@haverford.edu (cynthia gage) wrote:
> 
> >In article <32907C2C.38DF@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >> cynthia gage wrote:
> >> > What does
> >> > "PC" mean to you, what is YOUR definition.  Why do you insist I'm trying
> >> > to trick you?  I've now asked you the same question three times and you've
> >> > yet to answer it.  Perhaps the answer lies in your silence on the issue?
> >> > Perhaps there is no "PC"?
> >> > Still wondering :)
> >> > Cynthia
> 
> >
> >>     Try something novel:  actualy read what I said, hold back the
> >> knee-jerk PC reaction a second, and you will see that I already answered
> >> you.
> 
> >I'm trying, I really am.  I can't find where you've answered my question.
> >Can you give me a hint as to where the answer may lay? -- Maybe I missed
> >that post...  Actually, I'd also really appreciate it if you stopped
> >replying to all my questions by claiming they are themselves "PC" until
> >you cleary explain what that means.  I haven't been naming you as part of
> >any category -- defined or not, why do you insist on putting me in one?
> >Thanks :)
> >Cynthia
> 
> Cynthia,
> 
> You probably will not get an answer from Bobby. You see, He seems to
> have a bit of a *problem* if you get my drift.
> 
> Bobby often expresses the beleif that many people  believe he is a
> "Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews" .  These people are referred
> to as "clones" in Bobby's terminology. At this very moment, we surmise
> that Bobby  is sitting in his chair, silently,  ruminating about how
> that new Cynthia Clone is plotting against him.
> 
> Although it's hard to get the straight story from Bobby hiumself, we
> *think* (or perhaps "gather" is a better term) that he was run out of
> politics and academia due to his blatant racism, and he seems to be
> *quite bitter* about the whole sordid episode, hence his presence
> here.
> 
> There is also speculation that Bobby is a member of the infamous
> national alliance,  but Bobby will not say whether this is true or
> not.

   I already answered previous clones on this point.  I don't know
anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.  So what?
	I have to answer the same thing from each clone every time -- each of
you thinks he thought of the same old line -- and you accuse me of
repeitition.
	Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?


> 
> You'll get to know Bobby better after you are here awhile. He's
> actually quite entertaining most of the time, poor soul.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 20 06:17:10 PST 1996
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Joseph Clark wrote:
> 
> In article <328CC988.664B@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >         Each clone comes up with this "well, set up  your own country",
> > statement.  But the fact is that the entire PC proggram is for racial
> > balance in ALL white majority countries, and ONLY in white majority
> > countries.  They would not tolerate any whites being allowed to live to
> > themselves, anywhere on earth,a nd they have said so repeatedly.
> >         So this challenge for us to set up our own country is bullshit.  They
> > would crush us fast.
> 
>   There is a BIG difference between a majority-white country and an
> all-white country.  America is a majority-white country but is comprised
> of many people of many different cultures, some of whom have been here
> almost as long, or longer, than people of European descent have been here.
>    Your problem is that you want to make THIS country all-white,
> eliminating a huge chunk of our population. Where would you send them,
> "Bob"? Africa? Mexico? Concentration camps, maybe?
>    If you nazis want to go found your own country on some uninhabited
> island, I could care less.  But you don't want to do that. It would be too
> much trouble or something.  You'd rather just stick around the states and
> whine all the time about how you aren't happy with this country.
>    I'm sick of hearing about how the Nazional Alliance wants its own
> homeland for whites only, when you aren't actually going to take action to
> found this homeland.  When you guys actually *try* to start your own
> country and get "crushed", then start whining about your rights.  Until
> then, go home and be quiet. You bother me.
> 
> -joe


	About the title question.  What does any socialist want that Stalin did
not want?  All of you clones keep insisting you know that a social
democrat is not a Comumunist, and by the smae token,w hen called on it,
you insist you know that all racists are not Nazis.   But only when
called on it.  Then you go back to this crap, where all racists are
Nazis.  Then, as I go through the same old crap with each one of you,
you called me repetitive.
	I repeat, if whites set up their own country anywhere, you clones would
be all over them like flies on a dunghill.    Anywhere there is an
all-white population, you  will go after it with your racial balance.  
You will shriek for immigration of third worlders, as you always, I
repeat always, and let me repeat always, do.  Then you will enforce your
racial busing and black,, aka, low-cost housing to chase us down inside
the country, as you always, repeat always, repeat always, do.


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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <32907C2C.38DF@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > cynthia gage wrote:
> > > What does
> > > "PC" mean to you, what is YOUR definition.  Why do you insist I'm trying
> > > to trick you?  I've now asked you the same question three times and you've
> > > yet to answer it.  Perhaps the answer lies in your silence on the issue?
> > > Perhaps there is no "PC"?
> > > Still wondering :)
> > > Cynthia
> 
> 
> >     Try something novel:  actualy read what I said, hold back the
> > knee-jerk PC reaction a second, and you will see that I already answered
> > you.
> 
> I'm trying, I really am.  I can't find where you've answered my question.
> Can you give me a hint as to where the answer may lay? -- Maybe I missed
> that post...  Actually, I'd also really appreciate it if you stopped
> replying to all my questions by claiming they are themselves "PC" until
> you cleary explain what that means.  I haven't been naming you as part of
> any category -- defined or not, why do you insist on putting me in one?
> Thanks :)
> Cynthia


    Your original comment classified you very nicely.  You told another
PC how great he was, remember?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: blood sucking BRIAN SMITH and BOB WHITAKER
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:17:01 -0500
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James E. Walsh wrote:
> 
> AgamemnoN (reverend@iinet.net.au) wrote:
> 
> : Its a funny thing these 'mixers', for all their
> : pro-lets-mix-with-all-races-hey-they're-just-like-u-and-me,
> : you'll never find them investing money in property where the 'ones
> : they love lurk!!
> 
> Another example of the "big lie" technique. Of course I and other rational
> people invest without regard to race. I would be an idiot to invest any
> other way.
> 
> BTW, do you consider Bill Gates to be "white"? Is he a "race traitor",
> too?
> 
> --
>                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. In Newsgroups, I often correct English mistakes in quoted material
> without any intention of changing the meaning.]


   I think Gates is aproud race traitor.  He's proud of being a liberal.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 20 06:17:12 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <328BECEE.3D31@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> ::You would be surprised how many people out here in reality suspet
> ::that what Smith says is true.  You believe beause no one is allowed to
> ::say it, no one believes it.
> 
> Since what Brian Smith says is foolish nonsense, I am surprised when I meet
> someone who believes what he says. On the other hand, human beings are often
> so ignorant, that I am not surprised what any of them might think.
> 

Gosh, "everybody who is not Polticially Correct is Ignorant."  What a
novel statement!



>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Nov 20 09:22:04 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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jrs wrote:
> 
> cgage@haverford.edu (cynthia gage) wrote:
> 
> >In article <32907C2C.38DF@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >> cynthia gage wrote:
> >> > What does
> >> > "PC" mean to you, what is YOUR definition.  Why do you insist I'm trying
> >> > to trick you?  I've now asked you the same question three times and you've
> >> > yet to answer it.  Perhaps the answer lies in your silence on the issue?
> >> > Perhaps there is no "PC"?
> >> > Still wondering :)
> >> > Cynthia
> 
> >
> >>     Try something novel:  actualy read what I said, hold back the
> >> knee-jerk PC reaction a second, and you will see that I already answered
> >> you.
> 
> >I'm trying, I really am.  I can't find where you've answered my question.
> >Can you give me a hint as to where the answer may lay? -- Maybe I missed
> >that post...  Actually, I'd also really appreciate it if you stopped
> >replying to all my questions by claiming they are themselves "PC" until
> >you cleary explain what that means.  I haven't been naming you as part of
> >any category -- defined or not, why do you insist on putting me in one?
> >Thanks :)
> >Cynthia
> 
> Cynthia,
> 
> You probably will not get an answer from Bobby. You see, He seems to
> have a bit of a *problem* if you get my drift.
> 
> Bobby often expresses the beleif that many people  believe he is a
> "Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews" .  These people are referred
> to as "clones" in Bobby's terminology. At this very moment, we surmise
> that Bobby  is sitting in his chair, silently,  ruminating about how
> that new Cynthia Clone is plotting against him.
> 
> Although it's hard to get the straight story from Bobby hiumself, we
> *think* (or perhaps "gather" is a better term) that he was run out of
> politics and academia due to his blatant racism, and he seems to be
> *quite bitter* about the whole sordid episode, hence his presence
> here.
> 
> There is also speculation that Bobby is a member of the infamous
> national alliance,  but Bobby will not say whether this is true or
> not.

   I already answered previous clones on this point.  I don't know
anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.  So what?
	I have to answer the same thing from each clone every time -- each of
you thinks he thought of the same old line -- and you accuse me of
repeitition.
	Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?


> 
> You'll get to know Bobby better after you are here awhile. He's
> actually quite entertaining most of the time, poor soul.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:22:42 PST 1996
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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <56jglf$6o@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> *Non-Whites try to flood into White countries wherever they are found,
> *because White nations have higher standards of living and typically
> *more advanced societies, with more opportunities.   However, Whites
> *are not knocking down the door to emigrate to Bang-your-dish
> *(Bangledesh), India, or Uganda.  Whites need to learn they have no
> *obligation to anyone but themselves, and that liberal guilt is fatal
> *to their existence and future on this planet.
> 
> I know, of course, that you can't answer this because you lack any
> knowledge of the subject, but please inform us all as to what, exactly,
> consititutes a "white race."  I and many others have asked you to answer
> this SO many times, and, surprise surprise, you have not responded to one
> of our requests.  Guess why?  BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!!!
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."


    The white race is my race and you have no right to destroy it.


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <3293B71D.6160@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> ::The white race is my race and you have no right to destroy it.
> 
> Hey pal, mellow out.
> 
> 1. The "white race" is a figment of your imagination. Imagine that it is
> thriving and you will feel better.
> 2. You are the one who has imagined the facts which make your imaginary race
> in danger. Why don't you decide (for example) that the children of the members
> of the "white" race and a "non-white" race are "white" instead of "non-white".
> That would make your "white" race the biggest and most rapidly growing race in
> the world. And wouldn't you feel great then? Why imagine a "white" race under
> terms that put it in danger of being destroyed? Do you like feeling
> persecuted? Maybe you had better check with your doctor. Maybe your medicine
> needs to be changed.
> 3. Since your "white" race doesn't exist and never has existed, there is
> nothing that I (or you) can do to destroy it.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


     Pure sophism.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:22:44 PST 1996
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Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 22 Nov 96 22:36:08 GMT, jimwalsh@transend.com.tw (Jim Walsh)
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <3293B71D.6160@conterra.com>,
> >   Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >::The white race is my race and you have no right to destroy it.
> >
> >Hey pal, mellow out.
> >
> >1. The "white race" is a figment of your imagination. Imagine that it is
> >thriving and you will feel better.
> >2. You are the one who has imagined the facts which make your imaginary race
> >in danger. Why don't you decide (for example) that the children of the members
> >of the "white" race and a "non-white" race are "white" instead of "non-white".
> 
> That's the problem, and the *danger* of this crap: they view "race
> mixing" as something akin to mixing clean water and dirty water (which
> will always result in dirty water).
> 
> Based on that faulty premise (AKA "the big lie") they begin spouting
> their nonsense.

	As I explain to each of you clones in turn, my problem with your
so-called "mixing" is that you are only interested in doing it in white
majority countries.  You demand massive third world immigration into
EVERY white majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries. 
You demand your so-called "race" mixing, which is  actually only *white*
mixing, and you use public moneyt for busing and "low-cost"(black)
housing to chase down any white excapees.
	Your so-called solution to the race problem is always only the final
solution to the white problem. 
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
clones has heard it.




> 
> >That would make your "white" race the biggest and most rapidly growing race in
> >the world. And wouldn't you feel great then? Why imagine a "white" race under
> >terms that put it in danger of being destroyed? Do you like feeling
> >persecuted? Maybe you had better check with your doctor. Maybe your medicine
> >needs to be changed.
> >3. Since your "white" race doesn't exist and never has existed, there is
> >nothing that I (or you) can do to destroy it.
> 
> Sadly, they *are* capable of destroying the lives of countless others.


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A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
threats.



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> evidence.
> >>
> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.


    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  
Only PC's like you are truly objective.  Now where could I have heard
that one before?



> >>
> >
> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >in favor of the fact.
> 
> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> victim would have a demonstrable bias?

	As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
position.





> 
> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things you
> >people demand that I believe.
> 
> I don't demand you believe anything.

	Actually, you do.  


> 
> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> 
> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> 
> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >different category from other historical statements.
> 
> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.

      Now what was the this supposed to mean?   Obviously, that if I
question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?




> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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James E. Walsh wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : Read _Racial Realities in Europe_ by Dr. Hans Gunther.  He gives more
> : than sufficient descriptions.
> 
> In other words, you cannot answer the question as to what constitutes the
> supposed "white" race.
> 
> : Obviously race must exist since Texaco
> : just got sued for several millions for discriminating against a race.
> 
> Texaco employees wrongly believe that there is a race and discriminate
> against humans who they (wrongly) believe are of a different race. That
> is why Texaco got sued, and that why Texaco's Chairman just agreed to a
> large settlement.

   Good God!   What a mass of Newspeak!
   



> 
> : Are you saying race doesn't exist?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> : Are you telling Black people their race is non-existent?
> 
> Yes, of course.
> 
> : I think that highly racist of you, trying to pretend Black
> : people don't exist!
> 
> Of course "black" people don't exist. People exist. The idea of their
> "blackness" is a figment of your imagination; and of the imagination of
> certain now unemployed Texaco executives.
> 
> --
>                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. In Newsgroups, I often correct English mistakes in quoted material
> without any intention of changing the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:22:47 PST 1996
Article: 81427 of alt.revisionism
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: hardcore rap band sentenced to jail  !!!!
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:35:07 -0500
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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Scott E. Hayes wrote:
> >
> > dredd wrote:
> > >
> > > IN AN ASTONISHING DECISION, THE FRENCH COURT OF JUSTICE HAVE
> >
> > good, rap is shit....
> 
> Undoubtedly many people think you are shit too, but we can't ban you
> just because of it...
> 
> eB


      This is funny.   You are fighting the usual Politically Corret
battle for filth for teenagers, while your ellow PC Finsten is screaming
bloody murder because innocent PhD's in anthropology are being exposed
to some prono stuff in a book by a scientist.  The scientist,
surprisingly enough, is not PC, so it just so happens Scientific
Anthropologists are jumping all over him.
	You PC types certainly are consistent.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
> >threats.
> 
> I never made any threats. And anyway, I don't need to pretend to be
> nice, since (even if I do say so myself) I am not an unpleasant person
> by nature.
> 
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> >> evidence.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.
> >
> >
> >    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> No, I did not say any such thing.
> 
> >Only PC's like you are truly objective.
> 
> How kind of you to say so.
> 
> >  Now where could I have heard
> >that one before?
> 
> In your own mind.
> 
> >> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >> >in favor of the fact.
> >>
> >> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> >> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> >> victim would have a demonstrable bias?
> >
> >       As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
> >criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
> >you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
> >Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
> >position.
> 
> Not necessarily, it may just reflect the fact that the legislators of
> some countries believe this is the appropriate way to deal with
> Holocaust deniers.
> 
> Someone has a sig which quotes from that old idiot Auberon Waugh who
> asks something along the lines of "what kind of truth is it that needs
> protection?". Whereas I'm not convinced that public denial of the
> Holocaust should be a crime, I do think that Waugh is naive to assume
> that truth can always win out simply by being the truth. When there are
> people who seem determined to cast doubt on well documented history by
> various (mainly disingenuous) methods then truth won't necessarily win
> out in the minds of everyone.



	I have never heard a dictatorship that said anything even slightly
different from what you just said.  Remember "Scientific Socialism" in
the USSR?



> 
> >> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things
> >you
> >> >people demand that I believe.
> >>
> >> I don't demand you believe anything.
> >
> >       Actually, you do.
> 
> Actually I don't.



	You just got through saying that, for your truth to win out, it might
be agood idea to enforce it.


> 
> Even if I did demand such a thing it would be pointless, since there is
> no way that anyone can make you believe something against your will.
> 
> >> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> >>
> >> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> >>
> >> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >> >different category from other historical statements.
> >>
> >> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.
> >
> >      Now what was the this supposed to mean?
> 
> I was simply remarking that the Holocaust is a sensitive subject due to
> what happened in that period of history.
> 
> >   Obviously, that if I
> >question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?
> 
> No. Although I find the concept of your ass in a sling to be somewhat
> odd, this implies some pretty clever contortionist abilities on your


	In between all the bullshit, you ahve alrady admitted actual intent,
even in a piece intended to give just the opposite impression.   In your
protected PC envirnment, I'm sure you're a great deal more direct.
> part.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:22:48 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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ibokor wrote:
> 
> Kathleen Mulhern (kate@accessone.com) wrote:
> : In article <3294FBCC.6322@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> :
> : *        As I explain to one PC clone at a time
> :
> : Let's just stop right here.  What in God's name does the nonsense term
> : "Politically Correct" have to do with simple anthropology?
> 
> I thought a PC clone was an IBM compatible desktop computer
> (or maybe a tower model) not manufcatured by or under licence
> from IBM.
> 
> What does that have to do with anthropology?
> 
> d.A.



	You are trying to convince me that you Politically Correct clones are
stupid.  You don't need to.
	Scientific Anthropolgy is ALWAYS Politically Correct.  When Nordic
supremacy
was Politically Correct, Scientific Anthropoly proved Aryan Spupremacy. 
In 1939, Fanz
Boas was a bit of a joke among Scientific Anthropologists.   In 1945,
Boas' doctrine that there was no real difference between races was the
Only True Faith, and Boas' group
became the Only True Scientific Anthropologists.
	Now what happened between 1939 and 1945 to change Scientific
Anthropology's
mind?  You are saying you're too stupid to know what happened bewteen
1939 and 1945.
	I believe you.


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Subject: Re: hardcore rap band sentenced to jail  !!!!
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Cliff Evans wrote:
> 
> Scott E. Hayes wrote:
> >
> > dredd wrote:
> > >
> > > IN AN ASTONISHING DECISION, THE FRENCH COURT OF JUSTICE HAVE
> >
> > good, rap is shit....
> 
> Yadda yadda yadda, when they came for rap I said okay, blah blah blah,
> when they came for techno I said okay, et cetera et cetera, when they
> came for me there was nobody left to speak for me.
> If it can happen to them, it can and will to us.
> --
> BoZo23
> "The chief enemy of creativity is 'good' taste."
> -Pablo Picasso


	All the Politically Correct types tell us that they have no right to be
concerned about Euroopean Hate Speech laws, because that' none of their
business, even though they claim to disapprove of them.
	I'd be willing to bet the PC's are raising hell about rap pornography
being banned in France, though.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> reverend@iinet.net.au (AgamemnoN) wrote:
> 
> >The only thing different between Brian Smith and Jim Walsh is that
> >Brian Smith has the ability to QUESTION and Jimbo has has the ability
> >to CONSUME!!!
> 
> >It is quite and absolutely irrelevant whether All Brian's facts are
> >100% correct, but by his true nature, he willl constantly revise these
> >facts untill a finite conclusion is obtained. If presented with
> >another revised factsheet of statistics he will no doubt honestly
> >present these.
> 
> I've been following a discussion between "Brian Smith" and an
> Africanist archaeologist over on misc.activism.militia.  Among
> other things, they've been talking about African colonial history
> and prehistory.  The Africanist has been doing research in Africa
> for, oh I'm not sure, 10 or 15 year.  Discovering new facts, in
> other words.  He is also extremely knowledgeable about African
> history and, because he has spent so much time living Africa while
> he does his research there, has considerable first-hand experience
> of African people, and contemporary African societies and culture.
> 
> It is pretty obvious, though, that Brian's brain, if he has one,
> is closed shut as tight as a rusted steel trap.  He knows nothing
> about African history or Africans except what he has read in
> racist propaganda rags.  And he clearly isn't interested in learning.
> He doesn't argue positions, he denies their veracity based on
> nothing more than his scant "knowledge" and prejudices.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    Here we go again, the old PC refrain, "All the professionals agree
with me, everybody else is ignorant."
     Nobody make sit in Afriican archeology if he doesn't toe the PC
line.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:42 PST 1996
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Bruce Houck wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > Drew Beck wrote:
> > >
> > > Could someone tell me the definition of "white"?  Are some "white" people
> > > "whiter" than other "white" people?  I mean, for instance, are Germans
> > > "whiter" than Irish?  What about some of those darker looking Germans I've
> > > seen; you know, the ones with dark brown hair and eyes?  How "white" are
> > > they?
> > >
> > > Who decides this "whiteness" question?  Is there a "whiteness" scale I
> > > could see?  Who developed it?  Is there a commission or board
> > > somewhere that defines it?  What does God have to say about all this?  Did
> > > He screw up when He made different kinds of "white" people?  Was He having
> > > a bad day or something when He made some of the people less "white" (like
> > > those Mediterranean types mentioned in that stuff about Rome)?
> > >
> > > Who are the "whitest" people on the planet?  Why is that?  How come
> > > "white" folks burn so easily in the sun?  Isn't that counterproductive,
> > > not being able to hang out in one's natural environment without getting
> > > burned & ending up with skin cancer?  What about someone with freckles?
> > > Does that make them less white?
> > >
> > > Gee, this really opens up a lot of questions.  Enquiring minds want to
> > > know.
> > >
> > > Actually, do the rest of us a favor and go climb into a cave somewhere and
> > > let the human race progress without your "superior" white genetics.
> > >
> > > Drew (who looks "white" in the mirror but apparently doesn't "think
> > > white").
> >
> >     You seem to think you have said something.  What you are bringing up
> > is the same old, old clone line that if there is any question about the
> > borders, a race does not exist.  Please check with your clones to see if
> > the old stuff has already been used before you bring it up.
> 
> I believe you forgot your Haldol. If you are going to argue leave your
> paranoia at home. I too am paranoid about the current state of affairs.
> However instead of creating more problems by spouting problems I am
> attempting a solution. Use logic and facts to educate (make sure the
> facts are real) Insults do nothing but antagonize if you want a fight
> that is okay. However if you want a discussion it sucks royal donkey
> dicks.


    I want all you PC clones to note that here's another one who though
he came up with this line.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:43 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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jrs wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >jrs wrote:
> 
> [..]
> 
> >> There is also speculation that Bobby is a member of the infamous
> >> national alliance,  but Bobby will not say whether this is true or
> >> not.
> 
> >   I already answered previous clones on this point.
> 
> Aha!  Which previous clone did you answer? Also, since you answered a
> "previous" clone, what happened to that clone? We'd *all" like an
> answer to that one, Dr. Moriarty!
> 
> > I don't know anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.
> 
> A likely story!
> 
> >So what?
> 
> We care! We care!  (dual care's there)
> 
> >       I have to answer the same thing from each clone every time
> 
> Yea, Just *when* did you answer each clone? Answer that one, Bobby
> Professor! AND! Did you answer the VERY SAME THING???????



   This is unusual even for one of you brain-dead clones.  In the next
letter, you quote what I said to your fellow clone.  
	



 
> HuHHHHH????
> 
> >-- each of you thinks he thought of the same old line
>      ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I beg your pardon! *You*  may have multiple personalities professor,
> but I can  ASSURE you that there is only ONE of me!
> 
> >-- and you accuse me of repeitition.
> 
> No, I do not *accuse* you of repetition.  It is simply *observed*.
> 
> >       Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?
> 
> Oh, so you didn't like the Beatles, eh?
> 
> (that's a joke, for you bland intellects out there (brian?)) (I know
> it's McCartney)


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:44 PST 1996
Article: 36414 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <56vqko$d97@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> *White lands are being deliberately flooded with hordes of faster
> *breeding non-Whites which are engulfing the  White race.  Whites will
> *be a minority as soon as the year 2030 or sooner.   Whites are denied
> *the self-determination they need to secure their survival as a people.
> *This is the destruction of a people.  This is genocide.
> *
> *Also, the Jewish media and the politically correct education system is
> *pumping race-mixing propaganda into Whites, deliberately encouraging
> *them to mix their genes and permanently destroy their existence as a
> *people.  This is genocide as well.
> *
> *http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML
> *
> *Whites are targetted for genocide and being systematically destroyed.
> *However, because it is "only Whites" being destroyed and not Jews or
> *non-Whites, Mrs. "Finsten" isn't wringing her hypocritical hands, but
> *rather nodding her liberal head in approval.
> 
> Please define "white race" here: _____________.
> 
> I'm STILL waiting.
> 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."


    Why?


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:45 PST 1996
Article: 36427 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Joseph Clark wrote:
> 
> In article <32925417.4002@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > All of you clones. . . insist you know that all racists are not Nazis.
> > But only when called on it.  Then you go back to this crap, where all
> racists > are Nazis.
> 
> Not all racists are Nazis, but all Nazis are racists. There are lots of
> racists, and not a single one is excusable. I no more support the Israeli
> assaults on Palestinians than I support your white supremacist movement.
> Nor do I believe in any of the various "ethnic cleansing" wars going on
> around the world in Bosnia, Rwanda, etc. They all suck and they all suck a
> lot.
> 
> > I repeat, if [NAZIS] 

   Above, you said you knew the different between Nazis and other
racists.  Now you contradict yourself.  Standard PC Doublethink.

set up their own country anywhere, you clones would
> > be all over them like flies on a dunghill.
> 
> I find this dunghill analogy particularly amusing. I just had to share
> that. *snicker*
> 
> -joe


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:46 PST 1996
Article: 36431 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> In article <328E3D21.2F32@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > cynthia gage wrote:
> 
> > > If you re-read my post you'll
> > > see I'm only interested in why you choose to use "PC" so often but refuse
> > > to explain what that term means to you and why you are so bitterly opposed
> > > to those things. I have some questions regarding the educational system in
> > > the US as well.
> > > :)
> > > Cynthia
> >
> >
> >         Anybody your age who doesn't know what Political Correctness is
> > is beyond redemption.  Maybe you have so totally accepted it you don't
> > know what it is.   I doubt you've ever heard anything else.
> >         Laura Finsten started out  with your kind of fake sincerity and
> > friendliness.   It is the same old tactic Mommy Professor teaches you,
> > and which you always think you thought of: get me to quibbling so I'll
> > stop talking plain English.
> 
> Of coarse I've heard various definitions of PC...but that's the thing -
> they vary.  I was asking for YOUR definition of what PC means.  Re-read my
> question AGAIN...it asks what "the term means to you".  If defining what
> it means to you means you'll "stop talking plain English" ....hmmm.....
> :)
> Cynthia


    I notice you're cut out the earlier communication, where you
informed me that the only person you ever heard about PC from was me.  
That was why, you said, you needed me to explain it to you.  When called
on it, you now say of course you've heard of it, you just to quibble
about it.
     This reminds me of my dialogue with Finsten.  She kept implying
that every authority today agrees with her on race.
	I've been out of this game for a while, but I remembered that a friend
of mine, Carleton Coon, was "persuaded" to resign from his chairmanship
of a if  if not the big national anthropological association because he
commited heresy on race.   As I told  you, anthropology changes its
stand on race pretty regularly, but it's always Politically Correct.  I
figured Finsten might be right: by now all the heretics had been weeded
out.
	So I started pointing how this could have happened.   I pointed out how
all the heretics could have crushed by now.  When she was called on
this, Finsten popped up with a list of names of authorities who did NOT
agree with her. But if she hadn't been called on it, she would have
stayed hiddne behind the "all authorities agree" stuff you PC's have
used for two generations now.
	Everything you people say involves some form of Doublethink, as
anything must which is to remain Politically Correct.  I dig for that
Doublethink and I don't get pulled off into blind alleys and quibbles.
	I leave it to the reader to see what's going on.


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Michael Zarlenga wrote:
> 
> TJ Colvin (socialist@pipeline.com) wrote:
> : I meant to say that no one should have use of guns except the military
> : and only then in training exercises and times of war. If no one had
> : access to the use of guns, and I mean no one, how could they be used
> : for criminal purposes?
> 
> And just how would you accomplish that?
> 
> : than the management. Our class structure is so lopsided, 2 or 3
> : members from the upper class have a combined wealth equal to that of
> : more than 90 people from the lower class. Ralph Nader mentioned this
> 
> Socialist Russia (the ultimate wealth redistribution society) was
> better?  There 2 or 3 politicians had the wealth of more than 90
> people from society (allegedly no lower class in a socialist state).
> 
> --
> -- Mike Zarlenga
>    finger zarlenga@conan.ids.net  for PGP public key
>    Don't blame me, I voted for Harry Browne.
> 
>        "Are you freer today than you were 4 years ago?"


	His argument is perfectly consistent: turn all weapons over to the
government, turn the entire economy over to the government, and you'll
be free.


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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <328CB097.497E@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >   Sorry, I can't give you an indstant education.  And they obviuously
> >arent' doing that in the academic bureaucracy either.
> 
> Let's just have a look at this particular Ph.D.'s education...
> 
> "indstant"  "obviuously"  "arent'"
> 
> At the very least he obviously didn't do too well when it came to learning
> typing...
> 
> And no, booby, the academic bureaucracy certainly doesn't hand out "instant
> education."  I've yet to see any portion of it claim it does.
> 
> You always claim to be trying to teach all us "clones" something.  Yet I've
> never been able to see anything worth learning in your posts.   And, besides
> that, you almost never reply to direct questions with anything besides the
> same old tired crap like "clone," "politically correct," "mommy professor" or
> some reference to your favorite hobby, masturbation.
> 
> For starters, why don't you tell us why you're against the following:
> 
> 1.  blacks going to school with whites
> 2.  blacks and whites living in the same towns together
> 3.  blacks and whites marrying
     

	The last is the only one you are interested in.  PC's demand massive
third world  immigration into white majority countries, and ONLY into
white majority countries.  They demand racial balance in white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They use busing and
low-cost houses to chase us down.  After all this, intermarriage is the
final solution to the white probelm.   This is what you call
"anti-racism".
	I'm surprised you didn't notice I had sais this before.
	Don't worry.  I'll keep repeating it until you hear me.


> 
> Its really not enough for a great and overlooked academic like yourself to
> just say "I'm against it" to us clones and call it education.   Only mommies
> try to get by with "because I said so, that's why."
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


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frank@clark.net wrote:
> 
> I moved this over from a thread called "Whites...the NEW native
> Americans."
> 
> Allan Matthews (amatthews@cybercom.net) wrote:
> : In article , Maverick  wrote:
> : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> : >>
> : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier rightful place
> : > as
> : >> native americans.
> : >
> : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a 10,000+yr
> : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European genetically
> : >rather than the Asian-Indian...
> : >
> : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration here.
> : >
> : >looks like I'll have to start marking that native American section.
> : >
> :
> : Gee, you'd think that something like this would be big news.  Just where did
> : you find this little piece of information?  Not that I think you're making
> : this up or anything...
> 
> It was big news, as least in the scientific community. What happened is
> that an archeologist dug up a skull in North America that looked quite
> Caucasoid to him and dated it very early, but not earlier than the first
> Indian migrations. It was in the _New Yrok Times_.
> 
> However, Federal law appears to let Indians keep their ancestor's remains
> and rebury them if they wish. So the tribe in question (which had only
> lived in the region for 500 years) claimed that this skeleton was one of
> "their" ancestors. Upshot: whatever Federal agency is responsible for
> interpreting the law ordered that the tribe could rebury the skull and did
> not have to allow any further scientific testing to corroborate the
> skull's race and to more precisely date it. As I recall the margin of
> error of the preliminary dating was a factor of two.
> 
> A couple of weeks later the Tuesday "Science News" section of the NYT had
> a major article on the Indian Fundamentalists, which is exactly the word
> used. I looked in my pile of clippings for the piece, since I know I saved
> it, but it wasn't in that particular pile.
> 
> Oddly enough, at least in terms of what gets said on this thread, there
> was no one saying that races don't exist, that race cannot be inferred
> from a skull, and other such things. Anyhow, it is an exciting discovery,
> and I hope the archeologist snipped off some hair or whatever for DNA
> testing.
> 
> Frank Forman
> frank@clark.net
> "It is a far, far better thing to be firmly
> anchored in nonsense than to put out on the
> troubled seas of thought" - John Kenneth Galbraith
> --


   One of the ng's here is anthropolgy.  Isn't it a surprise that not
one single Scientifi Anthropologist Who Proves Race Don't Exist even
mentioned this at all.
    Is anybody surprised?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:21:43 -0500
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> : >
> : > Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> : > keeps getting stuck.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> : > richard.hanson@gecm.com
> : > GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> : > Speaking for myself, of course!
> 
> :         You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
> : to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
> 
> Might we have some citations of the relevant laws (complete with
> regnal years) and of cases brought under them so that the essential
> veracity of your statement can be judged by all.
> 
> :       As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
> : the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
> : told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
> : points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
> : around to make your three or points sound new.
> 
> And not from the fact that you really have no arguments to defend
> your prejudices?
> 
> :       The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
> : Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
> : repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
> : abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
> : viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
> : tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
> : than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
> : something new.
> 
> In one word: huh?

aka, DUHH!



> 
> :       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
> : hear me.
> 
> We hear you, Bobby baby, we just can't bring ourselves to believe
> that your brains were replaced by rocks.   But you're doing a
> wonderful job persuading all of us.
> 
> ,.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:50 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:12:46 -0500
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Ross Archer wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote this:
> >    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
> >on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
> >record of PC consistency that discredits you.
> 
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Fascinating logic.  Dissecting this tangled  mess of
> fuzzy logic into its constituent underlying nonsense
> premises:
> 
> 1.    "PC" (still an undefined term) equals a tyranny (which is
> an oppressive form of governance.)  [ Funny, there was no "PC Party"
> on my ballot this November.]
> 
> 2.    Evidently, the plausibility of an argument has nothing to do
> with its quality, logic  or appeal.   No, instead plausibility results
> directly from the large number of people making the argument --
> that's why public opinion can never shift or change away from the
> majority opinion to a minority opinion, and why we all believe the
> Earth to be flat and the center of the Universe to this very day.]
> 
> 3.   If the arguments from a lot of people are consistent with
> each other, this casts doubt on the arguments.  If  a set of
> arguments are perfectly consistent, why, then they
> are impeached of credibility.  [The alert reader may note that
> this is exactly  how  science doesn't  work.]
> 
> Such pure horseshit could only emerge from a pure [fill in the rest
> yourself].


        Arguments which are consistent with each other and enforced by
ruining careers and by law are invariably false and tyrannical.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:51 PST 1996
Article: 36475 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: blood sucking BRIAN SMITH and BOB WHITAKER
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >That's right.  Let's just "give it up" and let the White race go down
> >the sewage drainpipe of history.  No big loss, right?
> 
> Brian, you and your ilk, including the NSDAP cretins you admire so
> much, *are* the sewage drainpipe of history.  No loss.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


    Gosh, waht a direct answer!  No wonder you keep demanding that I
give straight answers like this!


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:52 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    Here we go again:  anyone who disagrees with this guy is A Nazi Who
> >Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Looks like you're coming out of the closet as a Holocaust denier,
> Bob.  No wonder you don't get it about "jokes" about Jews and ovens.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman



     As I have told you many times, I believe Jews were killed by Nazis,
but I doubt any "fact" which is backed by laws and ruined professions.  
It is illegal to question the number six million in too many countries
for me to belive it's true.  As the implied threat here makes it clear,
you will do your best to destropy anyone who denies the six million
figure or anything else you decide is holy to PC.
	I will continue to put what I damn well please in alt.tasteless.jokes.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >I already answered previous clones on this point.  I don't know
> >anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.  So what?
> 
> >Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?
> 
> I can't speak for everyone here, but some of us may be asking you
> about your possible ties with the National Alliance (let's see - if
> my Plausibledeniabilityspeak is still working properly, not claiming
> to "know* anybody who belongs to the National Alliance is not, strictly
> speaking, an answer to the question - it merely says something about
> your acquaintances - without defining what you might mean by acquaintance.
> The proper end-all answer would be "I am not nor have I ever been a
> either a member of or in the employ of the National Alliance."



I am not nor have I ever been a either a member of or in the employ of
the National Alliance.
Now go screw yourself.


 Being an
> ex-Capital Hill guy as you claim, I'd think you'd know that.) because
> we're



   "we"?   That's funny, you clones claim to be absolutely unconnected
Independent Thinkers whom only a mind-reder would be able to speak for
in a group when I refer to you as "clones".  Now it's "we"
    Good old Politically Correct Doublethink!




 a trifle curious about just what sort of folks in DeeCee *would*
> put you on a payroll.

    As I tell each of you clones in turn, look at the dust jacket of my
book.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating it until each ofyou hears me.



 My guess is that you were either working on the
> Hill in in the days before your Rant-O-Meter got pinned on the redline,
> or that you were "in drag" as something other than a lunatic racist, *or*
> that you were drawing a paycheck from someone like, say, Willis Carto
> (which *would* go some distance toward explaining how quickly you came up
> with that line about being "A Nazi Who Wants to etc. etc. etc." which no
> one has ever been shown to have accused you of. Perhaps our curiousity
> has been picqued by the growing suspicion that you are, in fact, actually
> *incapable* of handing simple tasks like stating your positions clearly and
> defending them with cogently marshalled evidence. If that's the case, then
> we're all left wondering who on earth would want to hire a "researcher"
> who demonstrates your evident lack of cognitive skills.

	  Please look at the above paragraph.  He is saying, once again, that I
am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews while he is denying that he
and his clones say that I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
	Good old Politically Correct Doublethink.
	I have had the highest level of security clearance available to a
civilian.  My background has been checked.   That makes it really hard
on you left-wing McCarthites, but it won't keep you from making the same
old accusations, clone by clone.




> 
> Hope this helps clear things up for you.
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> 
> Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> keeps getting stuck.
> 
> --
> Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> richard.hanson@gecm.com
> GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> Speaking for myself, of course!


        You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
	As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
around to make your three or points sound new.
	The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
something new.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
hear me.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >   This is one of the clones who shrieks foul over and over when I say
> >they routinely accuse anyone who disagrees of being A Nazi Who Wants To
> >Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Perhaps you could try a valium, Bob, if the lithium isn't working.
> 
> >       Finsten kept insisting she knew all socialists are not communists, all
> >racists are not nazis, the means of dictatorwhip is the biug
> >difference.  Now I'm a raciwst fascist, ie, a Nazi, and her wild
> >protestants ("You're LYING about me!") are down the old Politically
> >Correct Memory Hole
> >       PC Doublethink, as usual.
> 
> Are you claiming that the National Alliance is not a fascist organisation
> with a racist political agenda, Bob?

    In your duets with others accusing the National Alliance of being
Nazi, you never dsitance yourself from them, so one must assume you
agree that it is a Nazi organization.  I know the only reason a
left-wing social democrat is not a communist is because he does not
favor totalitariansim, and you claimed you knew the same thing about 
racists versus Nazis, but I still have seen no sign of it whatsoever.


> 
> [...]
> >    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
> >on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
> >record of PC consistency that discredits you.
> 
> So you are calling me a liar.  


	That assumes that a totally Politically Correct clone like you
understands that what she says is not the truth.  To you, this is The
Truth.



Well, Bob, you're wrong.  As I said, I've
> heard very little about the case in question.  I was unaware that a judge
> had agreed that the bones should be reburied.  You want to know how PC I
> am on the general subject of repatriation and reburial of skeletal remains,
> Bob?  Except where direct lineal ancestry can be determined, I am
> against it.  But I imagine you'll call me a liar about this too.  As if
> you have any way of knowing. 



	You PC clones keep insisting that a whole population that has lived and
been educated under your brain-dead tyranny has to be psychic to know
what you're thinking.  What you have to say is said over and over and
over and over at public expense.
	We know you. 


 
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <56gmat$1vh@is05.micron.net>,
>    sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote (in a futile attempt to avoid my
> request for a biologically legitimate defintion of the "white" race"):
> 
> ::Yeah.  There's no difference between a Chinaman and an African pygmy.
> ::And there is no difference between a greyhound and a poodle.
> 
> There are differences between any two members of a species. Some of these
> differences are big, some are small. But all members of the species (absent
> some individual fertility problems) can produce fertile young with the other
> members (of the opposite sex). A sterotypical Chinese and a sterotypical pygmy
> can produce fertile young, showing that they are members of the same "race":
> the human race.
> 
> BTW, do you consider what you define as "Jews" to be "white"?
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


	There is still no proof apes are not part of your "race".


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:55:57 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.islam
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <56jglf$6o@is05.micron.net>,
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : However, Whites are not knocking down the door to emigrate to
> : Bang-your-dish (Bangledesh)
> 
>     You're a sick and fucked-up "man", Brian.  A sorry excuse for a
> human being if I've ever encountered it.
> 
> : Whites need to learn they have no obligation to anyone but themselves,
> : and that liberal guilt is fatal to their existence and future on this
> : planet.
> 
>     Whites, like all other human beings, have an obligation to all of
> humanity.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


	It just happens that each time Kasiecki-Brown feels such an
"obligation', it's always against whites.


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <56vqko$d97@is05.micron.net>,
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : Laura Finsten  wrote:
> : >Brian, find yourself a good dictionary and look up the word "genocide".
> : >Then come back and explain to me exactly how "Whites" are the object
> : >of genocide.
> 
> : White lands are being deliberately flooded with hordes of faster
> : breeding non-Whites which are engulfing the White race.
> 
>     There is no "White race" in this context.
> 
> : Whites will be a minority as soon as the year 2030 or sooner.
> 
>     I've got news for you- Whites are the global minority already, if
> you break it down to simply Whites and non-Whites.
> 
> : Whites are denied the self-determination they need to secure their
> : survival as a people.
> 
>     Bullshit.
> 
> : Also, the Jewish media and the politically correct education system is
> : pumping race-mixing propaganda into Whites, deliberately encouraging
> : them to mix their genes and permanently destroy their existence as a
> : people.  This is genocide as well.
> 
>     It's also bullshit.  I don't see any encouragement to "race-mix".
> There is still a great opposition to interracial relationships of all
> sorts in this country.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


	To say there is no white race is to admit that you are out to destroy
it, and that is your excuse.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    In your duets with others accusing the National Alliance of being
> >Nazi, you never dsitance yourself from them, so one must assume you
> >agree that it is a Nazi organization.  I know the only reason a
> >left-wing social democrat is not a communist is because he does not
> >favor totalitariansim, and you claimed you knew the same thing about
> >racists versus Nazis, but I still have seen no sign of it whatsoever.
> 
> I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Bob.  Are you saying that the
> only thing of note about the National Alliance is its racism?  Are
> you saying that it does not otherwise have a totalitarian agenda?
> I know a lot of people who call organisations like the National
> Alliance and the Aryan Nations "Nazi" organisations.  Others use
> the term "neo-Nazi".  I've heard people say that there is no need
> to call them "neo-" since the only difference is that Hitler ain't
> head of the group any more.  I frankly don't think the name matters.
> It is the content.  So are you saying that the National Alliance
> is just like any other political party except for its racist platform?
> 
> >> So you are calling me a liar.
> 
> >       That assumes that a totally Politically Correct clone like you
> >understands that what she says is not the truth.  To you, this is The
> >Truth.
> 
> Oh, I see.  You're calling me an idiot.  You are claiming that I don't
> know enough about problematic archaeological contexts, skeletal
> identification, and radiometric dating to have a sense of when caution
> should be exercised in evaluating partial evidence.  So what do you
> know about these things, Bob, that leads you to think you can judge
> this better than me?  Did you study that in graduate economics
> seminars, Bob?  Or while you were writing your great "theoretical"
> contributions, did you do some human osteology on the side, maybe
> make decisions about which samples to submit for radiocarbon dating
> and then interpret the dates when you got them back from the lab?
> Have you followed the literature on forensic skeletal identification,
> Bob?
> 
> [...]
> 
> >       You PC clones keep insisting that a whole population that has lived and
> >been educated under your brain-dead tyranny has to be psychic to know
> >what you're thinking.  What you have to say is said over and over and
> >over and over at public expense.
> >       We know you.
> 
> Sure you do, Bob.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


	You can jargon yourself blue, but the simple fact is that in every case
you always come down on  the Poltiically Correct side in every
discussion.   Your pattern is in perfect accord with your training.
	That's pitiful.


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Real Name . wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>      I agreed with you completely, assuming you were talking politics.
> 
>      But evolution is simply not open to challenge by honest people.
> 
>      Just take the time to study the plum tree.
> 
>      Just take the time to go out to a dinosaur site.
> 
> Ken.


	I agree with yo on evolution.  But someone who agrees with us doesnot
belive in evolution.  That's fine with us, since we are not Politically
Correct clones, so disagreement is expected.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <56ln0k$101@pul,
> stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name .) writes:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >     I have a little problem with that Germany declared war first.
> >
> >     Roosevelt was sending war materials to England on American transports,
> and
> >with American escort warships.
> >
> >     The US/British "special relationship" meant that the US was spying for
> the
> >Allies all along, before the war, and after.
> >
> >     He sold the Brits mothballed warships at scrap metal prices, while he
> withheld
> >strategically valuable resources from Germany.
> >
> >     He sold modern warplanes to Canada under the insultingly thin excuse that
> it
> >wasn't England.
> >
> >     Highly trained personnel, such as Interceptor Pilots (Fighter Pilots
> >now-a-days) were encouraged to take leaves of absence to enlist in countries
> >opposing the Axis powers (RAF, Flying Tigers, mostly RCAF.)
> >
> >     The entire US went on a war economy footing, just as soon as Roosevelt
> could
> >railroad it through congress.  Long before our words matched our deeds against
> >Germany.
> >
> >There's more.
> >Ken.
> >
> >
> And what's the bad part? The totalitarian state created by the Nazi party was a
> rabid dog that needed to be put out of its misery. Score two big points for
> FDR, by me. Hell, even Newt gives FDR his due, so why can't you?


	And Hitler had attacked the Ideological Homeland under Comrade Stalin,
too.  He had to be destroyed when he did that.   Comrade Stalin's judges
presided over the Nuremburg Trials, a fact of which every American
should be proud.
	Robert Taft had the guts to condemn htose so-called "trials", which no
modern conservative would have the dare to do.
	But Hitler's declaration of war against the US was an insane move.


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A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
threats.



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> evidence.
> >>
> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.


    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  
Only PC's like you are truly objective.  Now where could I have heard
that one before?



> >>
> >
> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >in favor of the fact.
> 
> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> victim would have a demonstrable bias?

	As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
position.





> 
> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things you
> >people demand that I believe.
> 
> I don't demand you believe anything.

	Actually, you do.  


> 
> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> 
> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> 
> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >different category from other historical statements.
> 
> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.

      Now what was the this supposed to mean?   Obviously, that if I
question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?




> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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> William Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Laura Finsten wrote:
> > >
> > > William Wilson  wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > >But the fact is races are subspecies and not species thus
> > > >they are not entirely distinct one from the other.  Whites can be grouped
> > > >and identified only in the realm of probabilities.  Whites differ from other
> > > >races in degree and not necessarily in kind. There's not enough room here to
> > > >catalog all of these differences so I would suggest reading J.P. Rushton's
> > > >Race, Evolution and Behavior for in depth detail (but they include
> > > >intelligence, health, tendencies to violence, testosterone sensitivity, etc.).
> > >
> > > Yeah, and such scientifically collected data as how far adolescent males
> > > can ejaculate, by asking kids at the Toronto Eaton Centre to fill in a
> > > questionnaire, or how large penises are by taking "data" from a piece
> > > of late 19th century French pornography.
> > >
> >
> > [Ms. Finsten, thank you for bringing up this issue which so freely finds
> > its way, so often without obstruction or contradiction, into print and the
> > Internet.  The following comes from the Pioneer Fund website . . .]
> >
> > False Charge #7: Dr. Philippe Rushton, who was funded by Pioneer,
> > equates penis size (or gonad size) to intelligence, and he stands
> > in shopping malls asking men how far they can ejaculate.
> >
> > These falsehoods, which are childish attempts at ridicule, have been
> > repeated in several variations. Professor Rushton is a Guggenheim
> > Fellow, holds two doctorates from the University of London, and is
> > the author of five books and about 150 articles in scholarly
> > publications. In his book Race, Evolution and Behavior Rushton
> > considers over 60 variables in which Orientals, whites and blacks
> > always rank in the same order, notably including brain size and
> > intelligence. In a chapter on gamete production and sexual behavior,
> > Rushton gives official data on differences in condom size (used for
> > the prevention of AIDS) as determined by both the World Health
> > Organization and the United Nations International Organization for
> > Standardization. He merely recites the available statistics, taking
> > only about 2 pages for this purpose out of the 334 pages in the book.
> > This might be compared to the 34 pages on racial differences in brain
> > size and intelligence. He did not question men in a shopping mall, as
> > falsely claimed. When one reads in the media that Rushton is obsessed
> > with peni, one might fairly ask whether the dishonest writer himself is
> > not the one so obsessed.
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving!
> > Wm. Wilson


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:56:03 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to argue with either
> Bobby Whitaker or Brian Smith.  Neither one has any intention of answering
> any questions seriously.  They simply label anyone who disagrees with the
> race traitors (Smith) or PC clones (Whitaker) and refuse to address their
> real points.  Hardly surprising, but sad.  They realize that their
> disgusting ideology can't survive the light of real debate, so they hide
> under the rocks of half-truths and lies.  Rather pitiful.
> 
> But still, I'll try one more time.
> 
> The idea of race.  What is this thing race you speak of?  Is it skin tone?
> But didn't the human race originate in Africa, and its only the movement to
> northern sun-starved climates that turned some of us (like me) pale.  What
> does that skin color adaptation have to do with making pale people better/
> smarter, whatever, than everyone else.  And how do you explain Indians
> (in India) who have caucasoid features but skin ranging from light to very
> dark brown?

	Standard clone statement I've answered many, many times.  I will repeat
the same reply for you as for the other clones, and I'll keep repeating
until  you hear me.
	You clones say the white race does not exist, but only when that can be
used against the white race.  For your insults and attacks and demands
for reparations, the white race definitely exist.   You arguments for
genocide against whites are two: 1) the white race does not exist and 2)
the whtie race deserves it.
	When it comes to your program, the white race exists, for sure.  You
demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority
country, and ONLY into white majority countries.  Quite a coincidence
for anyone wo insists he doesn't know what white is.
	You demand integration in every single white majority country, and only
in white majority countries, complete with racial busing to chase down
escapee white children and tax-paid black "low cost" housing to chase
down escaping families.




> 
> Now, about the superiority of the white race.  If you are going to use
> IQ tests to display our superiority, how do you deal with the fact that,
> according to the Bell Curve, jews and asians score higher than whites on
> IQ tests.

	Standard clone statement.   As I have explained to each of you clones
in turn, my objection to the destruction iof my race is not because it
is superior, but because it is my race you are targetting.



> 
> Now about this Jewish conspiracy.  Why don't any of my Jewish friends tell
> me about it?  Are they holding out on me?  Or is it just an "in" group
> which knows the truth?  If so, they're pretty damn competant, to keep this
> conspiracy going for thousands of years.  And what is their goal?  World
> domination?  Sounds like a lot of white guys I know (Hitler, Stalin,
> Napoleon, Bob Dole).  Why do you think the Jewish race is so united, when
> the white race is obviously so divided (if only because they don't follow
> your racial view of the world).




	Standard Politically Correct crap.   As I have explained to each clone
in turn, I think the problem with Jews has nothing to do with any
conspiracy.  I think Judaism has become a culture based entirely on
self-pity.  The mostly Eastern European Jews who came over after the
Civil War brought all their old hates and revenge feeling with them. 	I
certainly have no trouble with the ideas of Judah P. Benjamin,
Confederate Secretary of the Treasury, or the father of Barnard Baruch,
who was Deputy head of the Confederate Medical Corps, or his Jewish
boss.
	As I have said to each clone, and wil have to say to each new one, it
is that your idea that Jews can have been mistreated throughout the ages
and have no grudges at all in return is nuts.   Your idea that this
revengeful attitude in what is now the official "I am Jewish, so..."
attitude in America simply does not exist is post-World War II
orthodoxy, but it is the swing of the same pendulum Hitler was part of.
	I think Jews are people, with the nastiness and hatred left in.
Anti-semites think Jews are devils, you think Jews are angels. 



> 
> Now about this Politically Correct thing.  How do you explain that I
> disagree with Bob Whitaker, therefore qualifying as a clone, yet I do not
> believe the things he says I ought to believe.  For example, I do not
> support the repression of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel.



	Good for you.  But you don't mind the official Jewish attitude opf
hostility to whites.  As for Poltiical Correctness, on this issue you
agree with the standing position for decades of the Communist Party,
USA, and you disagree with Jerry Falwell, so this really has nothing to
do with Political Correctness.  If you disagree with PC about the
treatment of groups which are not officially persecuted minorities, it
would be worth listening to.



> So if I'm different, how do you have the gall to call me a clone?
> (I think it's because racists love to put things in simple categories,
> even if the world is much more complex than that.  In their world, they'd
> prefer to only have McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendies; they'd deny the
> existance of KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hutt: the weasels.)
> 
> Finally, my beliefs.  I believe in judging people on who they are,
> what they do, and what they say.  I don't care about color, religion,
> or favorite ice-cream flavor.  I've known my share of nasty blacks,
> jews, and whites.  And I've known plenty of generous, honest, good
> people in those categories.  Race doesn't matter.  Humanity matters.



	Standard insincere clone statement.   As I said above, you ahev all
these virtuous feelings where it can be used to destroy whites.


> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu



	Don't worry.  I'll keep repeating this until you hear me.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:56:04 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article , bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> In answer to Jim Walsh's posting that:
> > >
> > > In 1995, the EU countries had 290,000 more births than deaths (a positive
> > > rate, albeit a low one). And where are the birth rates increasing?
> > > Scandanavia. Italians and Spaniards have the fewest babies of EU countries.
> > > Now, let me ask you, "What is the definition of 'white'"? Do you agree that
> > > "white" birth rates are zero or negative?
> > >
> 
> >
> >     I understand that some 25% of the births in France are to resident
> > Arabs.  That should make you very happy.
> 
> But, by your three-race model of the universe most Arabs are Caucasians,
> thus white, thus you should be rejoicing in this fact. Or is it that
> people like Sadam Hussein, Ghaddafi, Arafat, King Hussein, Hosni Mubarak
> are white but not White, or belong to some other race defined by their
> language or religion? You can't have it both ways.

	They are certainly not white.  Theya re the ugly mixes you want
everybody in white majority countries to be.



> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <56vqko$d97@is05.micron.net>,
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : Laura Finsten  wrote:
> : >Brian, find yourself a good dictionary and look up the word "genocide".
> : >Then come back and explain to me exactly how "Whites" are the object
> : >of genocide.
> 
> : White lands are being deliberately flooded with hordes of faster
> : breeding non-Whites which are engulfing the White race.
> 
>     There is no "White race" in this context.
> 
> : Whites will be a minority as soon as the year 2030 or sooner.
> 
>     I've got news for you- Whites are the global minority already, if
> you break it down to simply Whites and non-Whites.
> 
> : Whites are denied the self-determination they need to secure their
> : survival as a people.
> 
>     Bullshit.
> 
> : Also, the Jewish media and the politically correct education system is
> : pumping race-mixing propaganda into Whites, deliberately encouraging
> : them to mix their genes and permanently destroy their existence as a
> : people.  This is genocide as well.
> 
>     It's also bullshit.  I don't see any encouragement to "race-mix".
> There is still a great opposition to interracial relationships of all
> sorts in this country.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


	And your only interest is in pushing your precious interracial
relationships only in majority-white countries, and in EVERY
majority-white country.   The white race sure as hell exists when you PC
clones are slecting your victims.


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Terry Hallinan wrote:
> 
> +@+.+ (G*rd*n) wrote:
> 
> -
> >Whether race has biological meaning or not is not a result
> >of race being a social construction.  There's no doubt that
> >it's a social construction; this doesn't prevent it from
> >being biological, but doesn't require it either.
> 
> But, of course, this is pure gobbledegook.  Race is a biological
> concept.  The "social construct" is baseless prejudice.  When you
> remove the scientific underpinnings there is nothing left but
> superstition and lies.
> 
> >|                                                    And I have tried
> >| to find out what the race deniers would count as a meaningfully biological
> >| race. That thread has degenerated into attacks on Bob Whitaker.
> 
> >...By the way, some anthropologists have used the
> >term "race" to denote various biologically-based groupings.
> 
> You should be a little careful.  The "biological groupings" are based
> on physical characteristics that do attempt to trace migration and
> heritage.  The longheads vs. broadheads is a notable example.  But it
> is only poorly related to genetic heritage which is the basis of the
> race fallacy.
> 
> >The problem is not that one can't define "races" but that
> >there isn't a biological definition which corresponds to the
> >social definition, especially in North America, where the
> >issue is so exciting.
> 
> >| But let me just ask this: how many cultures are there in the world?
> 
> >It depends on what you call "a culture."  It's usually
> >a vague term whose meaning has to be taken from context.
> >--
> >   }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{
> 
> Best,   Terry
> 
> "Lawyer - One skilled in circumvention of the law"
>                                     - The Devil's Dictionary


    Not to worry, for you as with all PC's, the white race definitely
exists when you want to say something nasty about it.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> :         Arguments which are consistent with each other and enforced by
> : ruining careers and by law are invariably false and tyrannical.
> 
> From this we can conclude that laws prohibiting murder, rape, theft,
> &c. which are ethically and logically consistent  must therefore be
> false and tyrannical.
> 
> Bobby, boyo, to call you 'shit-for-brains' would be an insult to
> shit.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


	I'm SO glad you brought that up!   It is perfectly legal to argue that
murder, rape, theft, etc., are OK things.  Being a PC clone, you would
not recognize the critical difference to a free person, but you have to
ban all DISCUSSION of race which displeases you.
	You admit this by saying that for teh Thought Police to allow such
Politically Incorrect thoughts is the same as permitting murder, rape,
theft, etc.


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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Peter Nosko wrote:
> 
> frank@clark.net wrote in article <572hcs$mjp@clarknet.clark.net>...
> > Peter wants to know the name of the anthropologist who dug up the
> skeleton
> > found by the Columbia Rive in Washington state. I can't place my hands on
> > the Oct. 11 issue of _Science_, but last week's issue (Nov. 15) says that
> > on Oct. 19 the Army Corps of Engineers, who have jurisdiction over these
> > matters, told the anthropologists at UC at Davis to stop their work and
> > hand over the sliver of a bone they took and their lab notes. I recall
> > reading that one anthropologist thought the skull looked quite distinctly
> > Caucasoid but wanted to *confirm* it with DNA analysis. Anyhow a date of
> > 9300 years old is what the Nov. 15 _Science_ says. It also reports the
> > Davis lab director as saying, "the results are inconclusive until we can
> > do [at least] another sample."
> 
> Hmmm.  Interesting how "facts" seem to change.  Here's the article to which
> I responded.
> 
> > : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> > : >>
> > : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier
> rightful place
> > : > as
> > : >> native americans.
> > : >
> > : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a
> 10,000+yr
> > : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European
> genetically
> > : >rather than the Asian-Indian...

	

	You know damned well you're quoting an entirely different person.   I
just thought I would tell everyone else that you are.




> > : >
> > : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration here.
> 
> So we go from a 10,000+ body found in Nevada and "genetically" determined
> to be European, to it being found in Washington, younger, and apparently
> subjected to only a visual inspection.  This anthropologist must have good
> eyes to have made this genetic determination.  Perhaps that's why the
> results became "inconclusive?"
> 
> So let's assume every statement you claim in your version turns out to be
> true.  What does determining the geographical origin of someone's remains
> have to do with attempting to prove that ::race:: is a scientifically
> meaningful concept?
> 
> > Some good news: "Last month, anthropologists won a court order blocking
> > the corps from returning the skeleton before scientists can argue for a
> > chance to study it."
> 
> By all means, keep us posted on their findings.
> 
> > Now may we please stop all the attacks on Bob and get back to the subject
> > of this thread. Even if the argument "Bob Whitaker is a bad man;
> therefore
> > racists do not exist" were valid, we would still not know what it is that
> > does not exist!
> 
> I might have missed some articles in this thread, but I never saw anyone
> deny that race exists.  One look at the racism that runs rampant in the USA
> (my point of reference), and one can see that the concept of race-- the
> underlying basis of racism, is alive and doing well.  I believe the race
> deniers are denying that race is anything more that a social concept based
> on insignificant physical attributes.
> 
> Re: Bob; if you're tired of seeing Bob get shot at all the time, you might
> want to ask him to stop providing the ammo.

	I cewrtainly don't mind getting attacked by you PC clones.  A man is
known by the enemies he makes, and I'm proud of your enmity.  
	I've been taking that crap for decades.  You Politically Correct clones
seem to think that  proving I'm bad is important to proving your
political ideas.





> 
> --
> Peter Nosko
> pete@technologist.com
> Race is a Pigment of the Imagination
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Be advised; I will discuss/debate only via
> the newsgroups.  All replies emailed to me
> will be promptly posted.
> ---------------------------------------------------------


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:56:09 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >       You can jargon yourself blue, but the simple fact is that in every case
> >you always come down on  the Poltiically Correct side in every
> >discussion.   Your pattern is in perfect accord with your training.
> 
> And in your mind, Bob, the "right" thing to do is to offer an opinion
> before you have any facts???
> 
> >       That's pitiful.
> 
> That is indeed pitiful.  But it does seem to be your stock in trade.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman



	Your absolutely perfect PC stance really went too far this week.  See
my comment on it in a new string: "Finsten Really Gets Filthy..."
	A scientist with a hell of a lot better credentials than you disagrees
with PC, so you accuse him of child molesting.
	Lord knows, you ARE consistent!


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :     As I have said many times, I consider the degenerate, self-selected
> : and rotten acadmic bureaucracy to be one of America's premier disasters.
> :       Don't worry.   I'll keep repeating it until you hear me.
> 
> Presumably the vibrant, meritocratic and sturdy academic bureaucracy
> is one of America's best claims to excellence.

	I've never seen a rotting bureaucracy say anything else about itself.

 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >     Gosh, what a shock!   Your scientific Anthropology comes to its
> >100,000th consecutive Politically Correct conclusion.
> 
> I realise that telling you I don't follow your drift here (if you have
> one) will merely confirm in your mind (if you have one) your belief
> that your incisive thinking goes over my fluffy head.
> 
> Are you commenting on the AMS radiocarbon date on the
> aribou flesher?  If so, could you explain to me how a date that
> contradicts an argument for human entry into the western hemisphere
> via Beringia 200,000 years ago is "Politically Correct"?  You've lost
> me on this one, Bob.
> 
> If you are referring to the tentative anthropological "diagnosis",
> can you explain to me how it qualifies as "Politically Correct"?
> 
> If you are referring to my skepticism until the facts are all in
> on this (assuming that they ever will be), can you explain how
> my unwillingness to accept a date based on poor context, in the
> absence of an absolute, geophyiscally determined age assessment is
> "Politcally Correct"?  I've always thought of such caution as not
> jumping to conclusions, and as a reasonable check against shoddy
> science.  But you like to have your conclusions before your horse,
> don't you, Bob.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


	You're right, "DUHH!" won't do it, even if you jargon yourself blue.


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <56mote$ib3@is05.micron.net>,
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:
> : >I know, of course, that you can't answer this because you lack any
> : >knowledge of the subject, but please inform us all as to what,
> : >exactly, consititutes a "white race."  I and many others have asked
> : >you to answer this SO many times, and, surprise surprise, you have
> : >not responded to one of our requests.  Guess why?  BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!!!
> 
> : Obviously race must exist since Texaco just got sued for several
> : millions for discriminating against a race.  Are you saying race
> : doesn't exist?   Are you telling Black people their race is non-
> : existent?
> 
>     "Race" among humans is a *SOCIAL* construct.  It has *NO* biological
> basis, and you almost always speak of it in a biological context.  The
> "White race" and the "Black race" exist only in social terms.  They are
> not biological.  I am not biologically White.  I am a human being of
> predominately European descent.  "Race" among humans does not exist
> biologically, but socially.
> 
> : I think that highly racist of you, trying to pretend Black people
> : don't exist!   How racist of you Kate.
> 
>     Shut your dam trap, you ignorant idiot.
> 
> : I don't think your fanciful opinions would go over too well certain
> : parts of certain cities, if you know what I mean.
> 
>     What?  Your home area?
> 
>         Phil "where's that clue bus, I heard it was offering lessons in
> context this week?" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki
> Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "None of us alone can save the nation or the
> world.  But each of us can make a positive
> difference if we commit ourselves to do so."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


	He didn't say you don't have always have an excuse for coming our
against whites in every situation, he just says you do.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >   Finsten, after not bringing the subject up at all, since it was
> >un-PC, did name the anthropologist after she was called on it by
> >Forman.
> 
> I still haven't seen Forman's post on this subject, but I do believe
> you are telling lies about me again, Bob.  You've got a mighty funny
> habit for someone who gets all hot under the collar when asked a simple
> question about whether you are a member of a lunatic, racist fascist
> organisation.  Given that you give every appearance here of being a
> lunatic, racist fascist, it doesn't seem to me to be an ureasonable
> question. 

   This is one of the clones who shrieks foul over and over when I say
they routinely accuse anyone who disagrees of being A Nazi Who Wants To
Kill Six Million Jews.
	Finsten kept insisting she knew all socialists are not communists, all
racists are not nazis, the means of dictatorwhip is the biug
difference.  Now I'm a raciwst fascist, ie, a Nazi, and her wild
protestants ("You're LYING about me!") are down the old Politically
Correct Memory Hole
	PC Doublethink, as usual.

 By the way, Bob, if you think I wanted to try to "bury"
> this thing with the burial, do you think I would just ignore it?
> Don't you think a better strategy would be to attempt to discredit
> it?  And why do you accuse me of lying about not having read Frank's
> post on this?  Nobody accused you of lying when you said that you
> didn't know I'm Mommy Professor.
> 
> >To our unanimous surprise, she declared he was untrustworthy,
> >thereby producing the 100,000the consecutive politically Correct
> >statement of Scientific Anthropoly.
> 
> Ah, so this is what you meant by that statement.  I didn't say that
> he was "untrustworthy".  I did say that, given that he's made some
> pretty glaring errors in the past (and I'd be happy to point you to
> the references that trace the history of the particularly enormous
> blunder that I mentioned), I'd prefer to see something other than
> a 2 inch newspaper column, or something posted to usenet, before
> expressing an opinion on the matter.  Geez, Bob, learn to read.
>

    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
record of PC consistency that discredits you.


  
> >       You clones must now go drom "it didn't happen" to "it didn't matter".
> >As usual.
> 
> No Bob, what I said wasn't "it isn't clear at this point what
> *did* happen".  Oops, forgot, your brain only allows two options.
> Did you let Levi-Strauss do experiments on your head in the late
> 1960s or something?
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


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Bruce Houck wrote:
> 
> Joseph Clark wrote:
> >
> > In article <96314.144654CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>, carl skutsch
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Mr. Smith, you are correct.  'Whites' are outnumbered by non-Whites, and
> > > may very well disappear as a seperate racial category.  And I, a white guy,
> > > could care less.  I don't care if blacks, whites, hispanics, asians or
> > > native americans are the most numerous ethnic group in the world.  As long
> > > as it's a world filled decent people (apart from a few Mr. Smiths), I don't
> > > give a damn what color they are.  My personal concerns are about as follows:
> > > My friends
> > > My family
> > > My community
> > > My country
> > > My world
> > > Race doesn't play a factor.  Perhaps I should put my world first, but I tend
> > > to be biased towards the people I know and see regularly.  So I'd definately
> > > defend the rights of a black or jewish friend over those of some white
> > > racist in the wilds of America.
> > >
> > > Carl Skutsch
> > > cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
> > > http://members.aol.com/zenfrycook/carl.html
> >
> >    Thank you! Thank you for finally putting into words what I haven't been
> > able to. I totally agree with you and am glad somebody finally said this.
> > I have already seen BS reply to this, and he did exactly what I knew he
> > would, calling you a race traitor and accusing you of wanting
> > self-extinction.
> >    As somebody said to me on a different thread, you're beating a dead
> > horse, but that's no reason to stop.  As long as there are idiots like
> > brian and the Nazional Alliance out there, keep beating that horse!
> >
> >    -Joseph Clark
> >    josephcl@scf.usc.edu
> 
> You must live a pretty protected enviro to be able to be so magnanamous.
> I have observed the news and such and the only perception I get is that
> the blacks are trying to obtain positions of power the easy way. The
> people I see raising the most fuss about Discrimination are those who
> have attitudes and think they should be promoted just because. This is
> not restricted to the blacks, I realize, however they jump on the Whitey
> is prejudice bandwagon to further their cause. I for one witnessed this
> in the military.  The same guy whining about promotion is the guy who
> was too good to do police call or get dirty.  They did/do a disservice
> to the many blacks who work hard and get promoted because they earned
> it. The successes such as Mr Bill Cosby are then berated as Uncle Toms
> or Tobys. If you want a laugh I watched a talk show with a black woman
> who claimed that black men wear gold chains around their neck because of
> post traumatic stress from slavery. When another black attempted to
> disagree she refered to him as Toby. 'splain it to me?


	Their so-called "antiracism" is consistently anti-white.  You bet your
ass the anti-white white quoted first cares a LOT about race: he is only
interested in WHITE majority countries imprting the thrid world, ane he
wants racial balance and black, so-called low-cost, housing to chase
down any escaping white population.
	Both of those clones are saying that they are white, so they couldn't
possibly be anti-white.  They infer that's something too sick to
imagine.   It's sick, all right, but history is full of ths kind of
sickness.


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James E. Walsh wrote:
> 
> Brian Smith (sbrian@micron.net) wrote:
> : Non-Whites try to flood into White countries wherever they are found,
> : because White nations have higher standards of living and typically
> : more advanced societies, with more opportunities.
> : Brian Smith
> 
> Since you have failed to answer my question about the definition of
> "whites", this claim is not "falsifiable". In other words, it is
> nonsense. Stop ducking the issue and admit that the "white" race cannot
> be biologically defined.

	

To say there is no white race is to admit you are out to destroy it, and
that is your excuse.   You are admitting that anyone who belives there
is a white race is justified in accusing you of genocide.   You admit
that you do demand massive third world immigration into ALL white
majority countries, and ONLY into white majority countries.    
	You demand racial balance in EVERY white majority country, and ONLY in
white-majority countries.  If whites try to escape, you demand busing
and black ("low-cost") housing to chase them
down.	
	Quite a coincidence, if  the white race doesn't exist.
	Your excuse is your admission.




> 
> BTW, how do you explain the fact that both Japan and Taiwan have serious
> problems with people trying to sneak in illegally?

	Obviously because the third world wants into rich countries.  But you
only demand that they be allowed in huge numbers into each white
majority country, and ONLY into white majority countries.  That's wquite
a coincidence for someone who says the whtie race doesn't exist.




>                 Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. In Newsgroups, I often correct English mistakes in quoted material
> without any intention of changing the meaning.]


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:56:16 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> | > correctly.  The other problem, too, is that whatever Bonnichsen says,
> | > you can't make a "racial determination" based on skeletal remains that
> | > is 100 percent certain
> 
> faeros@earthlink.net (Grey):
> | Uh.... wrong... you can.
> |
> | If you have a whole skull, you can deturmine almost exactly what that
> | person looked like, as the skull is the frame upon which the face is
> | constructed.  Anthropologists have been doing it for years, they used
> | this method to reconstruct the deformed face of the man found in the peat
> | in England, who's skull had been flattened over the ages.
> 
> I'm curious as to what a racial determination that is 100%
> certain could possibly mean, inasmuch as "race", as the
> word is most often used, is a loose social construction
> rather than a biological category.  In the case you give,
> we don't know what the man originally looked like, so we
> can't tell how good the reconstruction was.
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


     PC Doublethink.  In this case, circular logic:  PC says race can't
be there, so you can't tell what race somebody is, so taht proves race
isn't there.


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G*rd*n wrote:
> 
> smathesn@lis.ab.ca:
> |And whatever do you mean by this?  Even to the eye, it's plainly obvious that races
> |exist in a biological sense, unless you deny that people indigineous to certain
> |areas often have different physical appearences and different physiologies (eg.
> Race is widely used as a social concept in North America,
> but the number of pure-blooded indigenes here is something
> like one or two percent of the whole population at most --
> some isolated Indian tribes.  So if you're talking about
> "races" in a biological sense, and referring to genetically
> isolated groups, you might have a useful concept, but it
> wouldn't apply here, and it wouldn't correspond to the
> social construction -- which is what I said before.  The
> fact that people even try to apply the term "race" in the
> Americas proves that they aren't talking about biology or
> genetics except in some mythical sense.
> --
>    }"{    G*rd*n   }"{  gcf @ panix.com  }"{


	I never get suckered into this crap of "defining" races.  When it suits
your political purposes, you know exactly race is, and so does everybody
else.


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David Arno wrote:
> 
> In article <32920A56.6B2C@se-iowa.net>, Bruce Houck  iowa.net> writes
> >
> >WAKEUP.... If they outlaw guns then what would you do when the govt
> >declares Martial Law because of a race war or some other trumped up
> >excuse. There is a Govt within the Govt which cares nothing about
> >democracy or What our forefathers died for. All they care about is power
> >and the fleeting ego boost it gives them. I for one Love my Country ,
> >the Constitution and the Flag of the United States Of America.. The
> >Greatest Country in the world and we need to insure it stays that way.
> >If our forefathers did not think we should all be armed it would not
> >have been one of the first Articles.
> Yes you are right, it is essencial that 'The Greatest Country in the
> world' be allowed to carry on letting 30,000+ people a year die from gun
> related incidents.
> 
> To try and reduce this figure would be an insult to freedom, liberty,
> democracy and other uniquely American things!
> David Arno
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gary L. Francione: professor, AR supporter and advocate of genocide
> of all 'domesticated' species and any disabled human.
> 
> A genius or a total idiot? You decide...
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------


	One of the reasons the words "liberal" and "Politically Correct' have
become so discreditted is because libs and PC's declare repeatedly taht
there is absolutely no difference between a person who defends himself
and an armed thug.


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christopher marks wrote:
> 
> In  David Arno
>  writes:
> >
> >In article <32920A56.6B2C@se-iowa.net>, Bruce Houck  >iowa.net> writes
> >>
> >>WAKEUP.... If they outlaw guns then what would you do when the govt
> >>declares Martial Law because of a race war or some other trumped up
> >>excuse. There is a Govt within the Govt which cares nothing about
> >>democracy or What our forefathers died for. All they care about is
> power
> >>and the fleeting ego boost it gives them. I for one Love my Country ,
> >>the Constitution and the Flag of the United States Of America.. The
> >>Greatest Country in the world and we need to insure it stays that
> way.
> >>If our forefathers did not think we should all be armed it would not
> >>have been one of the first Articles.
> >Yes you are right, it is essencial that 'The Greatest Country in the
> >world' be allowed to carry on letting 30,000+ people a year die from
> gun
> >related incidents.
> >
> >To try and reduce this figure would be an insult to freedom, liberty,
> >democracy and other uniquely American things!
> >David Arno
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Gary L. Francione: professor, AR supporter and advocate of genocide
> >of all 'domesticated' species and any disabled human.
> >
> >A genius or a total idiot? You decide...
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> To try to seperate the issue of guns from the larger question of the
> true nature of American culture is a mistake. The reason why we have so
> many guns in this country is not just because there was a second
> Amendment but because it is an expression of a culture that values
> freedom above everything - even personal security. The only real way to
> get rid of all the guns is to change the balance  of the culture itself
> on the issue of the value of freedom. Unfortunetly if this is
> accomplished there are more important things that will change than just
> the situation with guns. This is not to say that I don't agree myself
> that this preoccupation with personal liberty doesn't lead to some bad
> results but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that I intend to
> work to change it.


	Excellent point.  There is no such thing as costless freedom.


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Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply wrote:
> 
> Brian "BS" Smith is really the ghost of Serdar Argic!
> 
> On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:05:17 GMT, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
> wrote:
> 
> >kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:
> >
> >>In article <571qo0$di2@news.internetmci.com>, dfinn@telis.org (David F) wrote:
> >
> >>{snip}
> >
> >>*The Nuremburg trials  prosucted men for war crimes, and their crimes
> >>*were?? Jaywalking ??
> >
> >>{snip}
> >
> >>Careful!  brian will use the phrase "kangaroo court" again!  He loves that
> >>term -- "kangaroo court."   I don't think he knows what it means, but he
> >>likes the way it sounds and looks on the screen.
> >
> >Nuremberg was a kangaroo court if there ever was one.   The witnesses
> >were never even cross-examined.   The German witnesses submitted to
> >threats and brutal torture.  The defeated was put on trial by the
> >victors.  And that you find Nuremberg somehow "fair" is quite
> >ludicrous.   Several claims such as electrocution and steaming have
> >already been quietly dropped by the Holocaust industry for lack of
> >evidence.  The extermination by gassing myth is no different, as there
> >never existed any physical evidence for it.
> >
> >>See... brian thinks that
> >>the international committee who convicted the nazi criminals at Nuremburg
> >>were LYING when they showed the film, taken by nazis themselves, of
> >>concentration camps and enslaved French POWs and citizens.  See... brian
> >>doesn't believe the stories of the decorated soldiers like your relative
> >>and Gen. McArthur when they say they liberated the camps filled with dead
> >>or dying Jewish prisoners.  See... brian doesn't believe his own eyes when
> >>he sees the film footage of the camps, of the starving, emaciated
> >>prisoners, of the gas chambers, of the crematoriums, of the mass graves.
> >
> >The Red Cross visited the camps in the middle of the war and found
> >excellent conditions.  The SS executed German officers for mistreating
> >inmates.  Himmler issued an order demanding that deaths in the camps
> >be reduced at all costs.  The "deathcamps" had hospitals and various
> >amenities.   Aerial photos reveal the crematoria were not operating
> >according to the rates the Holocaust Tale requires for it to be true.
> >All of these (and much more) completely contradict the "holocaust" as
> >nothing more than anti-German propaganda, which is the rule in modern
> >war:
> >
> >http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
> >http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
> >http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
> >http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
> >http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
> >http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
> >http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
> >Leuchter Report
> >http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
> >http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
> >http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
> >http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
> >(Bradley Smith)
> >http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
> >http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
> >Amateurs de Rťcits de Guerre et
> >d'Holocauste (also in English)
> >http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz
> >http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
> >http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute
> >
> >>See... brian doesn't believe the corroborating stories of the liberators,
> >>Survivors and the nazis themselves when they attest to the events that
> >>occurred in those death camps.  I guess the bottom line is:  brian doesn't
> >>believe anything unless it comes from the bowels of his beloved little
> >>tree house club, the national alliance.  Does that clear anything up for
> >>you?
> >
> >Go to the above sites and expose your preconceived myths to refutation
> >-- if you dare.
> >
> >Brian Smith
> >www.natall.com
> >


	How could anyone say the Nuremburg Trials were a kangaroo court when
the Defenders of Peace and Justice, sent by Stalin, were judges there?
	And, of course, the representatives of the people who ordered the
bombing of Dresden.


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Toby Cockcroft wrote:
> 
> In article <329500CA.1E3E@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >Real Name . wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>      I agreed with you completely, assuming you were talking politics.
> >>      But evolution is simply not open to challenge by honest people.
> >>      Just take the time to study the plum tree.
> >>      Just take the time to go out to a dinosaur site.
> >> Ken.
> 
> >        I agree with yo on evolution.  But someone who agrees with us doesnot
> >belive in evolution.  That's fine with us, since we are not Politically
> >Correct clones, so disagreement is expected.
> 
> Wron again Bob.  My you are a foolish little child aren't you ... yes you
> are.  I disagree with you constantly yet I beleive in the theory of
> evolution.  What you beleive in isn't evolution it is social Darwinism.
> If you don't know the difference why don't you try going back to school.
> 
> Toby


    All you've proven is that you don't know what not being a clone
means.


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
> >threats.
> 
> I never made any threats. And anyway, I don't need to pretend to be
> nice, since (even if I do say so myself) I am not an unpleasant person
> by nature.
> 
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> >> evidence.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.
> >
> >
> >    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> No, I did not say any such thing.
> 
> >Only PC's like you are truly objective.
> 
> How kind of you to say so.
> 
> >  Now where could I have heard
> >that one before?
> 
> In your own mind.
> 
> >> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >> >in favor of the fact.
> >>
> >> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> >> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> >> victim would have a demonstrable bias?
> >
> >       As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
> >criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
> >you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
> >Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
> >position.
> 
> Not necessarily, it may just reflect the fact that the legislators of
> some countries believe this is the appropriate way to deal with
> Holocaust deniers.
> 
> Someone has a sig which quotes from that old idiot Auberon Waugh who
> asks something along the lines of "what kind of truth is it that needs
> protection?". Whereas I'm not convinced that public denial of the
> Holocaust should be a crime, I do think that Waugh is naive to assume
> that truth can always win out simply by being the truth. When there are
> people who seem determined to cast doubt on well documented history by
> various (mainly disingenuous) methods then truth won't necessarily win
> out in the minds of everyone.



	I have never heard a dictatorship that said anything even slightly
different from what you just said.  Remember "Scientific Socialism" in
the USSR?



> 
> >> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things
> >you
> >> >people demand that I believe.
> >>
> >> I don't demand you believe anything.
> >
> >       Actually, you do.
> 
> Actually I don't.



	You just got through saying that, for your truth to win out, it might
be agood idea to enforce it.


> 
> Even if I did demand such a thing it would be pointless, since there is
> no way that anyone can make you believe something against your will.
> 
> >> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> >>
> >> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> >>
> >> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >> >different category from other historical statements.
> >>
> >> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.
> >
> >      Now what was the this supposed to mean?
> 
> I was simply remarking that the Holocaust is a sensitive subject due to
> what happened in that period of history.
> 
> >   Obviously, that if I
> >question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?
> 
> No. Although I find the concept of your ass in a sling to be somewhat
> odd, this implies some pretty clever contortionist abilities on your


	In between all the bullshit, you ahve alrady admitted actual intent,
even in a piece intended to give just the opposite impression.   In your
protected PC envirnment, I'm sure you're a great deal more direct.
> part.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 06:56:22 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:53:43 -0500
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Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> 
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> >: Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> >: >
> >: > Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> >: > keeps getting stuck.
> >: >
> >: > --
> >: > Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> >: > richard.hanson@gecm.com
> >: > GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> >: > Speaking for myself, of course!
> >
> >
> >:         You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
> >: to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
> >
> >Might we have some citations of the relevant laws (complete with
> >regnal years) and of cases brought under them so that the essential
> >veracity of your statement can be judged by all.
> >
> >:      As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
> >: the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
> >: told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
> >: points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
> >: around to make your three or points sound new.
> >
> >And not from the fact that you really have no arguments to defend
> >your prejudices?
> 
> What prejudices do you think I have then, smartarse? I wasn't going to
> get rude, but when someone bases such an in-depth assessment on me
> based on two messages accusing that someone of repetition, then I have
> to conclude that their brain has something seriously wrong with it.
> 
> >:      The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
> >: Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
> >: repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
> >: abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
> >: viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
> >: tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
> >: than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
> >: something new.
> >
> >In one word: huh?
> 
> This to Mr Whitaker, not Mr Ledgister: Excuse me dickbrain - I haven't given
> *any* arguments in this thread, merely poked fun at your repetition.
> 
> The only thing I can think of that you class as a hate law are the laws
> which prevent people from inciting racial tension - a law which applies
> equally to non-whites as to whites. Try living over here and be surprised
> at the relatively low level of inter-racial tension - it certainly exists
> in places, and is propagated by many people in *all* races.
> 
> What it seems to me is you have a chip on your shoulder about academia.
> But that's what it seems - you never explicitly state your viewpoint.
> 
> >:      Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
> >: hear me.
> >
> >We hear you, Bobby baby, we just can't bring ourselves to believe
> >that your brains were replaced by rocks.   But you're doing a
> >wonderful job persuading all of us.
> 
> Don't insult rocks!
> 
> What amuses me is he has already classed me as a PC clone, even
> though I came into this thread less than a week ago, posted two
> messages poking fun at his repetition. Apparently that makes me
> PC. Interesting logic. I certainly don't consider myself PC -
> I merely believe in an equal chance for everybody based on merit
> and ability and not skin colour or genital apparatus, and I also
> therefore think an idea such as 'positive discrimination' is a
> contradiction in terms. I don't believe in petty language
> censoring, such as banning the word 'blackboard' (interesting
> ban that - personaly, I would have though 'blackboard' had
> positive connotations since they are generally a good tool
> in education).
> 
> There, I've stated my position, at least partitially. Something
> I haven't seen from Mr Whitaker. Perhaps he lives under an old
> wooden bridge and eats billy goats?
> 
> --
> Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> richard.hanson@gecm.com
> GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> Speaking for myself, of course!



	As I keep telling you clones, you seem to think that people who have
spent decades under the ryule of Political Correctness and gone to
school under it  have trouble recognizing you for what you are.
	At least you had the imagination to come up with one or two safe things
you could say you were against that Politically Correct t ypes push.  I
have a strong suspicion this is the first time you ever decided you
would say those were bad, but at least you have a few brain-waves left.
	Your fellow PC's here don't even provide themselves that much cover.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,sci.bio.misc,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >Politically Correct people always claim they're not these days.
> 
> Can we then conclude that *you're* Politically Correct since you've
> claimed not bo be PC? It would seem that your litmus test has some
> problems, I think.
> 
> Amused,
> Gregory
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


	Amusing point.
	I thought it was obvious that I was PC.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,sci.bio.misc,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >Politically Correct people always claim they're not these days.
> 
> Can we then conclude that *you're* Politically Correct since you've
> claimed not bo be PC? It would seem that your litmus test has some
> problems, I think.
> 
> Amused,
> Gregory
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


	Speaking as an official PC, I must say that WE are just AWFUL!


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Subject: Mean Regression
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The one basic question about race would be, of course, whether high-IQ
blacks regress to the black mena or the Universal Human Mean.
I leave it to the reader to imagine what would happen to anybody who
provided evidence of the former in academia.


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Tale Of Two "Buts"
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Someone sent me a letter tearing my flat statement that you had to
have an IQ of 120 to get a PhD to pieces.  He won the argument.  But, in
doing so, he lsot sight of the point at issue.
	Politically Correct doctrine holds that, since IQ tests don't give the
proper results for minority groups, they must be invalid.   They used to
argue that everybody was equal, but that has gotten so now so silly they
have to argue that intellgience isn't really there.
	The letter cutting me up was explaining how one scientist was said to
have a low IQ *but*, to make up for it, had a productive mental
pattern.  But the point is the "but".  It wouldn't be important if IQ,
to this person's mind, was *really* meaningless.  	Her second statement
was that "I have known dumb and dumber grad students who got science
Ph.D.s through pertinacity only."   Another "they had low IQ's but.."
which ratifies the fact that, if the person is thinking about beating me
in an argument, they expose the fact that they are like everybody else:
they know damned well that intelligence is real and that tests do
*CORRELATE* with a very real thing.
	It reminds of Finsten who kept leaving the usual Politically Correct
implication that all the experts agree with her.  When I explained why
experts on campus had damned well better agree with her, she wanted to
win the argument, so she named authorities who did not agree with her.  
	Political Correctness always involves concentrated Doublethink.  If yo
let them win the arguments, they expose their own fundamental
absurdities.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: blood sucking Brian Smith
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> reverend@iinet.net.au (AgamemnoN) wrote:
> 
> >The only thing different between Brian Smith and Jim Walsh is that
> >Brian Smith has the ability to QUESTION and Jimbo has has the ability
> >to CONSUME!!!
> 
> >It is quite and absolutely irrelevant whether All Brian's facts are
> >100% correct, but by his true nature, he willl constantly revise these
> >facts untill a finite conclusion is obtained. If presented with
> >another revised factsheet of statistics he will no doubt honestly
> >present these.
> 
> I've been following a discussion between "Brian Smith" and an
> Africanist archaeologist over on misc.activism.militia.  Among
> other things, they've been talking about African colonial history
> and prehistory.  The Africanist has been doing research in Africa
> for, oh I'm not sure, 10 or 15 year.  Discovering new facts, in
> other words.  He is also extremely knowledgeable about African
> history and, because he has spent so much time living Africa while
> he does his research there, has considerable first-hand experience
> of African people, and contemporary African societies and culture.
> 
> It is pretty obvious, though, that Brian's brain, if he has one,
> is closed shut as tight as a rusted steel trap.  He knows nothing
> about African history or Africans except what he has read in
> racist propaganda rags.  And he clearly isn't interested in learning.
> He doesn't argue positions, he denies their veracity based on
> nothing more than his scant "knowledge" and prejudices.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    Here we go again, the old PC refrain, "All the professionals agree
with me, everybody else is ignorant."
     Nobody make sit in Afriican archeology if he doesn't toe the PC
line.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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jrs wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >jrs wrote:
> 
> [..]
> 
> >> There is also speculation that Bobby is a member of the infamous
> >> national alliance,  but Bobby will not say whether this is true or
> >> not.
> 
> >   I already answered previous clones on this point.
> 
> Aha!  Which previous clone did you answer? Also, since you answered a
> "previous" clone, what happened to that clone? We'd *all" like an
> answer to that one, Dr. Moriarty!
> 
> > I don't know anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.
> 
> A likely story!
> 
> >So what?
> 
> We care! We care!  (dual care's there)
> 
> >       I have to answer the same thing from each clone every time
> 
> Yea, Just *when* did you answer each clone? Answer that one, Bobby
> Professor! AND! Did you answer the VERY SAME THING???????



   This is unusual even for one of you brain-dead clones.  In the next
letter, you quote what I said to your fellow clone.  
	



 
> HuHHHHH????
> 
> >-- each of you thinks he thought of the same old line
>      ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I beg your pardon! *You*  may have multiple personalities professor,
> but I can  ASSURE you that there is only ONE of me!
> 
> >-- and you accuse me of repeitition.
> 
> No, I do not *accuse* you of repetition.  It is simply *observed*.
> 
> >       Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?
> 
> Oh, so you didn't like the Beatles, eh?
> 
> (that's a joke, for you bland intellects out there (brian?)) (I know
> it's McCartney)


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Bruce Houck wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > blakpower@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > So you're saying that because white people are using birth control, their
> > > numbers are dwindling?
> > >
> > > ARe you saying that because women are working, the number of childbirths
> > > is shrinking?
> > >
> > > Are you saying that because white people are so self-indulgent, they don't
> > > have time to raise children, and therefore they might die out?
> >
> >     These clones always justify genocide against whites with a grand
> > total of two statements, 1) the white race does not exist and @) the
> > white race deserves it.  This is 2).
> 
> Forgive them they have been brainwashed to believe whatever the powers
> that be want them to believe. The only ones who want the srife of racial
> hatred are the Govt.  When we are too busy fighting each other we will
> not pull together and start taking this country back For the people By
> the people and of the people.


    Which god are you praying to, blakpower?


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 07:02:21 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <328CB097.497E@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >   Sorry, I can't give you an indstant education.  And they obviuously
> >arent' doing that in the academic bureaucracy either.
> 
> Let's just have a look at this particular Ph.D.'s education...
> 
> "indstant"  "obviuously"  "arent'"
> 
> At the very least he obviously didn't do too well when it came to learning
> typing...
> 
> And no, booby, the academic bureaucracy certainly doesn't hand out "instant
> education."  I've yet to see any portion of it claim it does.
> 
> You always claim to be trying to teach all us "clones" something.  Yet I've
> never been able to see anything worth learning in your posts.   And, besides
> that, you almost never reply to direct questions with anything besides the
> same old tired crap like "clone," "politically correct," "mommy professor" or
> some reference to your favorite hobby, masturbation.
> 
> For starters, why don't you tell us why you're against the following:
> 
> 1.  blacks going to school with whites
> 2.  blacks and whites living in the same towns together
> 3.  blacks and whites marrying
     

	The last is the only one you are interested in.  PC's demand massive
third world  immigration into white majority countries, and ONLY into
white majority countries.  They demand racial balance in white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They use busing and
low-cost houses to chase us down.  After all this, intermarriage is the
final solution to the white probelm.   This is what you call
"anti-racism".
	I'm surprised you didn't notice I had sais this before.
	Don't worry.  I'll keep repeating it until you hear me.


> 
> Its really not enough for a great and overlooked academic like yourself to
> just say "I'm against it" to us clones and call it education.   Only mommies
> try to get by with "because I said so, that's why."
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 07:02:21 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:37:35 -0500
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frank@clark.net wrote:
> 
> I moved this over from a thread called "Whites...the NEW native
> Americans."
> 
> Allan Matthews (amatthews@cybercom.net) wrote:
> : In article , Maverick  wrote:
> : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> : >>
> : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier rightful place
> : > as
> : >> native americans.
> : >
> : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a 10,000+yr
> : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European genetically
> : >rather than the Asian-Indian...
> : >
> : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration here.
> : >
> : >looks like I'll have to start marking that native American section.
> : >
> :
> : Gee, you'd think that something like this would be big news.  Just where did
> : you find this little piece of information?  Not that I think you're making
> : this up or anything...
> 
> It was big news, as least in the scientific community. What happened is
> that an archeologist dug up a skull in North America that looked quite
> Caucasoid to him and dated it very early, but not earlier than the first
> Indian migrations. It was in the _New Yrok Times_.
> 
> However, Federal law appears to let Indians keep their ancestor's remains
> and rebury them if they wish. So the tribe in question (which had only
> lived in the region for 500 years) claimed that this skeleton was one of
> "their" ancestors. Upshot: whatever Federal agency is responsible for
> interpreting the law ordered that the tribe could rebury the skull and did
> not have to allow any further scientific testing to corroborate the
> skull's race and to more precisely date it. As I recall the margin of
> error of the preliminary dating was a factor of two.
> 
> A couple of weeks later the Tuesday "Science News" section of the NYT had
> a major article on the Indian Fundamentalists, which is exactly the word
> used. I looked in my pile of clippings for the piece, since I know I saved
> it, but it wasn't in that particular pile.
> 
> Oddly enough, at least in terms of what gets said on this thread, there
> was no one saying that races don't exist, that race cannot be inferred
> from a skull, and other such things. Anyhow, it is an exciting discovery,
> and I hope the archeologist snipped off some hair or whatever for DNA
> testing.
> 
> Frank Forman
> frank@clark.net
> "It is a far, far better thing to be firmly
> anchored in nonsense than to put out on the
> troubled seas of thought" - John Kenneth Galbraith
> --


   One of the ng's here is anthropolgy.  Isn't it a surprise that not
one single Scientifi Anthropologist Who Proves Race Don't Exist even
mentioned this at all.
    Is anybody surprised?


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> : >
> : > Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> : > keeps getting stuck.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> : > richard.hanson@gecm.com
> : > GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> : > Speaking for myself, of course!
> 
> :         You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
> : to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
> 
> Might we have some citations of the relevant laws (complete with
> regnal years) and of cases brought under them so that the essential
> veracity of your statement can be judged by all.
> 
> :       As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
> : the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
> : told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
> : points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
> : around to make your three or points sound new.
> 
> And not from the fact that you really have no arguments to defend
> your prejudices?
> 
> :       The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
> : Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
> : repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
> : abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
> : viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
> : tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
> : than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
> : something new.
> 
> In one word: huh?

aka, DUHH!



> 
> :       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
> : hear me.
> 
> We hear you, Bobby baby, we just can't bring ourselves to believe
> that your brains were replaced by rocks.   But you're doing a
> wonderful job persuading all of us.
> 
> ,.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Ross Archer wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote this:
> >    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
> >on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
> >record of PC consistency that discredits you.
> 
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Fascinating logic.  Dissecting this tangled  mess of
> fuzzy logic into its constituent underlying nonsense
> premises:
> 
> 1.    "PC" (still an undefined term) equals a tyranny (which is
> an oppressive form of governance.)  [ Funny, there was no "PC Party"
> on my ballot this November.]
> 
> 2.    Evidently, the plausibility of an argument has nothing to do
> with its quality, logic  or appeal.   No, instead plausibility results
> directly from the large number of people making the argument --
> that's why public opinion can never shift or change away from the
> majority opinion to a minority opinion, and why we all believe the
> Earth to be flat and the center of the Universe to this very day.]
> 
> 3.   If the arguments from a lot of people are consistent with
> each other, this casts doubt on the arguments.  If  a set of
> arguments are perfectly consistent, why, then they
> are impeached of credibility.  [The alert reader may note that
> this is exactly  how  science doesn't  work.]
> 
> Such pure horseshit could only emerge from a pure [fill in the rest
> yourself].


        Arguments which are consistent with each other and enforced by
ruining careers and by law are invariably false and tyrannical.


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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >I already answered previous clones on this point.  I don't know
> >anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.  So what?
> 
> >Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?
> 
> I can't speak for everyone here, but some of us may be asking you
> about your possible ties with the National Alliance (let's see - if
> my Plausibledeniabilityspeak is still working properly, not claiming
> to "know* anybody who belongs to the National Alliance is not, strictly
> speaking, an answer to the question - it merely says something about
> your acquaintances - without defining what you might mean by acquaintance.
> The proper end-all answer would be "I am not nor have I ever been a
> either a member of or in the employ of the National Alliance."



I am not nor have I ever been a either a member of or in the employ of
the National Alliance.
Now go screw yourself.


 Being an
> ex-Capital Hill guy as you claim, I'd think you'd know that.) because
> we're



   "we"?   That's funny, you clones claim to be absolutely unconnected
Independent Thinkers whom only a mind-reder would be able to speak for
in a group when I refer to you as "clones".  Now it's "we"
    Good old Politically Correct Doublethink!




 a trifle curious about just what sort of folks in DeeCee *would*
> put you on a payroll.

    As I tell each of you clones in turn, look at the dust jacket of my
book.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating it until each ofyou hears me.



 My guess is that you were either working on the
> Hill in in the days before your Rant-O-Meter got pinned on the redline,
> or that you were "in drag" as something other than a lunatic racist, *or*
> that you were drawing a paycheck from someone like, say, Willis Carto
> (which *would* go some distance toward explaining how quickly you came up
> with that line about being "A Nazi Who Wants to etc. etc. etc." which no
> one has ever been shown to have accused you of. Perhaps our curiousity
> has been picqued by the growing suspicion that you are, in fact, actually
> *incapable* of handing simple tasks like stating your positions clearly and
> defending them with cogently marshalled evidence. If that's the case, then
> we're all left wondering who on earth would want to hire a "researcher"
> who demonstrates your evident lack of cognitive skills.

	  Please look at the above paragraph.  He is saying, once again, that I
am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews while he is denying that he
and his clones say that I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
	Good old Politically Correct Doublethink.
	I have had the highest level of security clearance available to a
civilian.  My background has been checked.   That makes it really hard
on you left-wing McCarthites, but it won't keep you from making the same
old accusations, clone by clone.




> 
> Hope this helps clear things up for you.
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


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Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> 
> Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> keeps getting stuck.
> 
> --
> Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> richard.hanson@gecm.com
> GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> Speaking for myself, of course!


        You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
	As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
around to make your three or points sound new.
	The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
something new.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
hear me.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >   This is one of the clones who shrieks foul over and over when I say
> >they routinely accuse anyone who disagrees of being A Nazi Who Wants To
> >Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Perhaps you could try a valium, Bob, if the lithium isn't working.
> 
> >       Finsten kept insisting she knew all socialists are not communists, all
> >racists are not nazis, the means of dictatorwhip is the biug
> >difference.  Now I'm a raciwst fascist, ie, a Nazi, and her wild
> >protestants ("You're LYING about me!") are down the old Politically
> >Correct Memory Hole
> >       PC Doublethink, as usual.
> 
> Are you claiming that the National Alliance is not a fascist organisation
> with a racist political agenda, Bob?

    In your duets with others accusing the National Alliance of being
Nazi, you never dsitance yourself from them, so one must assume you
agree that it is a Nazi organization.  I know the only reason a
left-wing social democrat is not a communist is because he does not
favor totalitariansim, and you claimed you knew the same thing about 
racists versus Nazis, but I still have seen no sign of it whatsoever.


> 
> [...]
> >    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
> >on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
> >record of PC consistency that discredits you.
> 
> So you are calling me a liar.  


	That assumes that a totally Politically Correct clone like you
understands that what she says is not the truth.  To you, this is The
Truth.



Well, Bob, you're wrong.  As I said, I've
> heard very little about the case in question.  I was unaware that a judge
> had agreed that the bones should be reburied.  You want to know how PC I
> am on the general subject of repatriation and reburial of skeletal remains,
> Bob?  Except where direct lineal ancestry can be determined, I am
> against it.  But I imagine you'll call me a liar about this too.  As if
> you have any way of knowing. 



	You PC clones keep insisting that a whole population that has lived and
been educated under your brain-dead tyranny has to be psychic to know
what you're thinking.  What you have to say is said over and over and
over and over at public expense.
	We know you. 


 
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    In your duets with others accusing the National Alliance of being
> >Nazi, you never dsitance yourself from them, so one must assume you
> >agree that it is a Nazi organization.  I know the only reason a
> >left-wing social democrat is not a communist is because he does not
> >favor totalitariansim, and you claimed you knew the same thing about
> >racists versus Nazis, but I still have seen no sign of it whatsoever.
> 
> I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Bob.  Are you saying that the
> only thing of note about the National Alliance is its racism?  Are
> you saying that it does not otherwise have a totalitarian agenda?
> I know a lot of people who call organisations like the National
> Alliance and the Aryan Nations "Nazi" organisations.  Others use
> the term "neo-Nazi".  I've heard people say that there is no need
> to call them "neo-" since the only difference is that Hitler ain't
> head of the group any more.  I frankly don't think the name matters.
> It is the content.  So are you saying that the National Alliance
> is just like any other political party except for its racist platform?
> 
> >> So you are calling me a liar.
> 
> >       That assumes that a totally Politically Correct clone like you
> >understands that what she says is not the truth.  To you, this is The
> >Truth.
> 
> Oh, I see.  You're calling me an idiot.  You are claiming that I don't
> know enough about problematic archaeological contexts, skeletal
> identification, and radiometric dating to have a sense of when caution
> should be exercised in evaluating partial evidence.  So what do you
> know about these things, Bob, that leads you to think you can judge
> this better than me?  Did you study that in graduate economics
> seminars, Bob?  Or while you were writing your great "theoretical"
> contributions, did you do some human osteology on the side, maybe
> make decisions about which samples to submit for radiocarbon dating
> and then interpret the dates when you got them back from the lab?
> Have you followed the literature on forensic skeletal identification,
> Bob?
> 
> [...]
> 
> >       You PC clones keep insisting that a whole population that has lived and
> >been educated under your brain-dead tyranny has to be psychic to know
> >what you're thinking.  What you have to say is said over and over and
> >over and over at public expense.
> >       We know you.
> 
> Sure you do, Bob.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


	You can jargon yourself blue, but the simple fact is that in every case
you always come down on  the Poltiically Correct side in every
discussion.   Your pattern is in perfect accord with your training.
	That's pitiful.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.feminazis,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <56ln0k$101@pul,
> stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name .) writes:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >     I have a little problem with that Germany declared war first.
> >
> >     Roosevelt was sending war materials to England on American transports,
> and
> >with American escort warships.
> >
> >     The US/British "special relationship" meant that the US was spying for
> the
> >Allies all along, before the war, and after.
> >
> >     He sold the Brits mothballed warships at scrap metal prices, while he
> withheld
> >strategically valuable resources from Germany.
> >
> >     He sold modern warplanes to Canada under the insultingly thin excuse that
> it
> >wasn't England.
> >
> >     Highly trained personnel, such as Interceptor Pilots (Fighter Pilots
> >now-a-days) were encouraged to take leaves of absence to enlist in countries
> >opposing the Axis powers (RAF, Flying Tigers, mostly RCAF.)
> >
> >     The entire US went on a war economy footing, just as soon as Roosevelt
> could
> >railroad it through congress.  Long before our words matched our deeds against
> >Germany.
> >
> >There's more.
> >Ken.
> >
> >
> And what's the bad part? The totalitarian state created by the Nazi party was a
> rabid dog that needed to be put out of its misery. Score two big points for
> FDR, by me. Hell, even Newt gives FDR his due, so why can't you?


	And Hitler had attacked the Ideological Homeland under Comrade Stalin,
too.  He had to be destroyed when he did that.   Comrade Stalin's judges
presided over the Nuremburg Trials, a fact of which every American
should be proud.
	Robert Taft had the guts to condemn htose so-called "trials", which no
modern conservative would have the dare to do.
	But Hitler's declaration of war against the US was an insane move.


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A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
threats.



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> evidence.
> >>
> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.


    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  
Only PC's like you are truly objective.  Now where could I have heard
that one before?



> >>
> >
> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >in favor of the fact.
> 
> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> victim would have a demonstrable bias?

	As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
position.





> 
> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things you
> >people demand that I believe.
> 
> I don't demand you believe anything.

	Actually, you do.  


> 
> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> 
> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> 
> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >different category from other historical statements.
> 
> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.

      Now what was the this supposed to mean?   Obviously, that if I
question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?




> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Finsten Really Gets Filthy In Her Battle  Battle For Political Correctness
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> William Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Laura Finsten wrote:
> > >
> > > William Wilson  wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > >But the fact is races are subspecies and not species thus
> > > >they are not entirely distinct one from the other.  Whites can be grouped
> > > >and identified only in the realm of probabilities.  Whites differ from other
> > > >races in degree and not necessarily in kind. There's not enough room here to
> > > >catalog all of these differences so I would suggest reading J.P. Rushton's
> > > >Race, Evolution and Behavior for in depth detail (but they include
> > > >intelligence, health, tendencies to violence, testosterone sensitivity, etc.).
> > >
> > > Yeah, and such scientifically collected data as how far adolescent males
> > > can ejaculate, by asking kids at the Toronto Eaton Centre to fill in a
> > > questionnaire, or how large penises are by taking "data" from a piece
> > > of late 19th century French pornography.
> > >
> >
> > [Ms. Finsten, thank you for bringing up this issue which so freely finds
> > its way, so often without obstruction or contradiction, into print and the
> > Internet.  The following comes from the Pioneer Fund website . . .]
> >
> > False Charge #7: Dr. Philippe Rushton, who was funded by Pioneer,
> > equates penis size (or gonad size) to intelligence, and he stands
> > in shopping malls asking men how far they can ejaculate.
> >
> > These falsehoods, which are childish attempts at ridicule, have been
> > repeated in several variations. Professor Rushton is a Guggenheim
> > Fellow, holds two doctorates from the University of London, and is
> > the author of five books and about 150 articles in scholarly
> > publications. In his book Race, Evolution and Behavior Rushton
> > considers over 60 variables in which Orientals, whites and blacks
> > always rank in the same order, notably including brain size and
> > intelligence. In a chapter on gamete production and sexual behavior,
> > Rushton gives official data on differences in condom size (used for
> > the prevention of AIDS) as determined by both the World Health
> > Organization and the United Nations International Organization for
> > Standardization. He merely recites the available statistics, taking
> > only about 2 pages for this purpose out of the 334 pages in the book.
> > This might be compared to the 34 pages on racial differences in brain
> > size and intelligence. He did not question men in a shopping mall, as
> > falsely claimed. When one reads in the media that Rushton is obsessed
> > with peni, one might fairly ask whether the dishonest writer himself is
> > not the one so obsessed.
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving!
> > Wm. Wilson


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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to argue with either
> Bobby Whitaker or Brian Smith.  Neither one has any intention of answering
> any questions seriously.  They simply label anyone who disagrees with the
> race traitors (Smith) or PC clones (Whitaker) and refuse to address their
> real points.  Hardly surprising, but sad.  They realize that their
> disgusting ideology can't survive the light of real debate, so they hide
> under the rocks of half-truths and lies.  Rather pitiful.
> 
> But still, I'll try one more time.
> 
> The idea of race.  What is this thing race you speak of?  Is it skin tone?
> But didn't the human race originate in Africa, and its only the movement to
> northern sun-starved climates that turned some of us (like me) pale.  What
> does that skin color adaptation have to do with making pale people better/
> smarter, whatever, than everyone else.  And how do you explain Indians
> (in India) who have caucasoid features but skin ranging from light to very
> dark brown?

	Standard clone statement I've answered many, many times.  I will repeat
the same reply for you as for the other clones, and I'll keep repeating
until  you hear me.
	You clones say the white race does not exist, but only when that can be
used against the white race.  For your insults and attacks and demands
for reparations, the white race definitely exist.   You arguments for
genocide against whites are two: 1) the white race does not exist and 2)
the whtie race deserves it.
	When it comes to your program, the white race exists, for sure.  You
demand massive third world immigration into EVERY white majority
country, and ONLY into white majority countries.  Quite a coincidence
for anyone wo insists he doesn't know what white is.
	You demand integration in every single white majority country, and only
in white majority countries, complete with racial busing to chase down
escapee white children and tax-paid black "low cost" housing to chase
down escaping families.




> 
> Now, about the superiority of the white race.  If you are going to use
> IQ tests to display our superiority, how do you deal with the fact that,
> according to the Bell Curve, jews and asians score higher than whites on
> IQ tests.

	Standard clone statement.   As I have explained to each of you clones
in turn, my objection to the destruction iof my race is not because it
is superior, but because it is my race you are targetting.



> 
> Now about this Jewish conspiracy.  Why don't any of my Jewish friends tell
> me about it?  Are they holding out on me?  Or is it just an "in" group
> which knows the truth?  If so, they're pretty damn competant, to keep this
> conspiracy going for thousands of years.  And what is their goal?  World
> domination?  Sounds like a lot of white guys I know (Hitler, Stalin,
> Napoleon, Bob Dole).  Why do you think the Jewish race is so united, when
> the white race is obviously so divided (if only because they don't follow
> your racial view of the world).




	Standard Politically Correct crap.   As I have explained to each clone
in turn, I think the problem with Jews has nothing to do with any
conspiracy.  I think Judaism has become a culture based entirely on
self-pity.  The mostly Eastern European Jews who came over after the
Civil War brought all their old hates and revenge feeling with them. 	I
certainly have no trouble with the ideas of Judah P. Benjamin,
Confederate Secretary of the Treasury, or the father of Barnard Baruch,
who was Deputy head of the Confederate Medical Corps, or his Jewish
boss.
	As I have said to each clone, and wil have to say to each new one, it
is that your idea that Jews can have been mistreated throughout the ages
and have no grudges at all in return is nuts.   Your idea that this
revengeful attitude in what is now the official "I am Jewish, so..."
attitude in America simply does not exist is post-World War II
orthodoxy, but it is the swing of the same pendulum Hitler was part of.
	I think Jews are people, with the nastiness and hatred left in.
Anti-semites think Jews are devils, you think Jews are angels. 



> 
> Now about this Politically Correct thing.  How do you explain that I
> disagree with Bob Whitaker, therefore qualifying as a clone, yet I do not
> believe the things he says I ought to believe.  For example, I do not
> support the repression of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel.



	Good for you.  But you don't mind the official Jewish attitude opf
hostility to whites.  As for Poltiical Correctness, on this issue you
agree with the standing position for decades of the Communist Party,
USA, and you disagree with Jerry Falwell, so this really has nothing to
do with Political Correctness.  If you disagree with PC about the
treatment of groups which are not officially persecuted minorities, it
would be worth listening to.



> So if I'm different, how do you have the gall to call me a clone?
> (I think it's because racists love to put things in simple categories,
> even if the world is much more complex than that.  In their world, they'd
> prefer to only have McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendies; they'd deny the
> existance of KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hutt: the weasels.)
> 
> Finally, my beliefs.  I believe in judging people on who they are,
> what they do, and what they say.  I don't care about color, religion,
> or favorite ice-cream flavor.  I've known my share of nasty blacks,
> jews, and whites.  And I've known plenty of generous, honest, good
> people in those categories.  Race doesn't matter.  Humanity matters.



	Standard insincere clone statement.   As I said above, you ahev all
these virtuous feelings where it can be used to destroy whites.


> 
> Carl Skutsch
> cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu



	Don't worry.  I'll keep repeating this until you hear me.


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> :         Arguments which are consistent with each other and enforced by
> : ruining careers and by law are invariably false and tyrannical.
> 
> From this we can conclude that laws prohibiting murder, rape, theft,
> &c. which are ethically and logically consistent  must therefore be
> false and tyrannical.
> 
> Bobby, boyo, to call you 'shit-for-brains' would be an insult to
> shit.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


	I'm SO glad you brought that up!   It is perfectly legal to argue that
murder, rape, theft, etc., are OK things.  Being a PC clone, you would
not recognize the critical difference to a free person, but you have to
ban all DISCUSSION of race which displeases you.
	You admit this by saying that for teh Thought Police to allow such
Politically Incorrect thoughts is the same as permitting murder, rape,
theft, etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 07:02:32 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Peter Nosko wrote:
> 
> frank@clark.net wrote in article <572hcs$mjp@clarknet.clark.net>...
> > Peter wants to know the name of the anthropologist who dug up the
> skeleton
> > found by the Columbia Rive in Washington state. I can't place my hands on
> > the Oct. 11 issue of _Science_, but last week's issue (Nov. 15) says that
> > on Oct. 19 the Army Corps of Engineers, who have jurisdiction over these
> > matters, told the anthropologists at UC at Davis to stop their work and
> > hand over the sliver of a bone they took and their lab notes. I recall
> > reading that one anthropologist thought the skull looked quite distinctly
> > Caucasoid but wanted to *confirm* it with DNA analysis. Anyhow a date of
> > 9300 years old is what the Nov. 15 _Science_ says. It also reports the
> > Davis lab director as saying, "the results are inconclusive until we can
> > do [at least] another sample."
> 
> Hmmm.  Interesting how "facts" seem to change.  Here's the article to which
> I responded.
> 
> > : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> > : >>
> > : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier
> rightful place
> > : > as
> > : >> native americans.
> > : >
> > : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a
> 10,000+yr
> > : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European
> genetically
> > : >rather than the Asian-Indian...

	

	You know damned well you're quoting an entirely different person.   I
just thought I would tell everyone else that you are.




> > : >
> > : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration here.
> 
> So we go from a 10,000+ body found in Nevada and "genetically" determined
> to be European, to it being found in Washington, younger, and apparently
> subjected to only a visual inspection.  This anthropologist must have good
> eyes to have made this genetic determination.  Perhaps that's why the
> results became "inconclusive?"
> 
> So let's assume every statement you claim in your version turns out to be
> true.  What does determining the geographical origin of someone's remains
> have to do with attempting to prove that ::race:: is a scientifically
> meaningful concept?
> 
> > Some good news: "Last month, anthropologists won a court order blocking
> > the corps from returning the skeleton before scientists can argue for a
> > chance to study it."
> 
> By all means, keep us posted on their findings.
> 
> > Now may we please stop all the attacks on Bob and get back to the subject
> > of this thread. Even if the argument "Bob Whitaker is a bad man;
> therefore
> > racists do not exist" were valid, we would still not know what it is that
> > does not exist!
> 
> I might have missed some articles in this thread, but I never saw anyone
> deny that race exists.  One look at the racism that runs rampant in the USA
> (my point of reference), and one can see that the concept of race-- the
> underlying basis of racism, is alive and doing well.  I believe the race
> deniers are denying that race is anything more that a social concept based
> on insignificant physical attributes.
> 
> Re: Bob; if you're tired of seeing Bob get shot at all the time, you might
> want to ask him to stop providing the ammo.

	I cewrtainly don't mind getting attacked by you PC clones.  A man is
known by the enemies he makes, and I'm proud of your enmity.  
	I've been taking that crap for decades.  You Politically Correct clones
seem to think that  proving I'm bad is important to proving your
political ideas.





> 
> --
> Peter Nosko
> pete@technologist.com
> Race is a Pigment of the Imagination
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Be advised; I will discuss/debate only via
> the newsgroups.  All replies emailed to me
> will be promptly posted.
> ---------------------------------------------------------


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >       You can jargon yourself blue, but the simple fact is that in every case
> >you always come down on  the Poltiically Correct side in every
> >discussion.   Your pattern is in perfect accord with your training.
> 
> And in your mind, Bob, the "right" thing to do is to offer an opinion
> before you have any facts???
> 
> >       That's pitiful.
> 
> That is indeed pitiful.  But it does seem to be your stock in trade.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman



	Your absolutely perfect PC stance really went too far this week.  See
my comment on it in a new string: "Finsten Really Gets Filthy..."
	A scientist with a hell of a lot better credentials than you disagrees
with PC, so you accuse him of child molesting.
	Lord knows, you ARE consistent!


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :     As I have said many times, I consider the degenerate, self-selected
> : and rotten acadmic bureaucracy to be one of America's premier disasters.
> :       Don't worry.   I'll keep repeating it until you hear me.
> 
> Presumably the vibrant, meritocratic and sturdy academic bureaucracy
> is one of America's best claims to excellence.

	I've never seen a rotting bureaucracy say anything else about itself.

 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >   Finsten, after not bringing the subject up at all, since it was
> >un-PC, did name the anthropologist after she was called on it by
> >Forman.
> 
> I still haven't seen Forman's post on this subject, but I do believe
> you are telling lies about me again, Bob.  You've got a mighty funny
> habit for someone who gets all hot under the collar when asked a simple
> question about whether you are a member of a lunatic, racist fascist
> organisation.  Given that you give every appearance here of being a
> lunatic, racist fascist, it doesn't seem to me to be an ureasonable
> question. 

   This is one of the clones who shrieks foul over and over when I say
they routinely accuse anyone who disagrees of being A Nazi Who Wants To
Kill Six Million Jews.
	Finsten kept insisting she knew all socialists are not communists, all
racists are not nazis, the means of dictatorwhip is the biug
difference.  Now I'm a raciwst fascist, ie, a Nazi, and her wild
protestants ("You're LYING about me!") are down the old Politically
Correct Memory Hole
	PC Doublethink, as usual.

 By the way, Bob, if you think I wanted to try to "bury"
> this thing with the burial, do you think I would just ignore it?
> Don't you think a better strategy would be to attempt to discredit
> it?  And why do you accuse me of lying about not having read Frank's
> post on this?  Nobody accused you of lying when you said that you
> didn't know I'm Mommy Professor.
> 
> >To our unanimous surprise, she declared he was untrustworthy,
> >thereby producing the 100,000the consecutive politically Correct
> >statement of Scientific Anthropoly.
> 
> Ah, so this is what you meant by that statement.  I didn't say that
> he was "untrustworthy".  I did say that, given that he's made some
> pretty glaring errors in the past (and I'd be happy to point you to
> the references that trace the history of the particularly enormous
> blunder that I mentioned), I'd prefer to see something other than
> a 2 inch newspaper column, or something posted to usenet, before
> expressing an opinion on the matter.  Geez, Bob, learn to read.
>

    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
record of PC consistency that discredits you.


  
> >       You clones must now go drom "it didn't happen" to "it didn't matter".
> >As usual.
> 
> No Bob, what I said wasn't "it isn't clear at this point what
> *did* happen".  Oops, forgot, your brain only allows two options.
> Did you let Levi-Strauss do experiments on your head in the late
> 1960s or something?
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Bruce Houck wrote:
> 
> Joseph Clark wrote:
> >
> > In article <96314.144654CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>, carl skutsch
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Mr. Smith, you are correct.  'Whites' are outnumbered by non-Whites, and
> > > may very well disappear as a seperate racial category.  And I, a white guy,
> > > could care less.  I don't care if blacks, whites, hispanics, asians or
> > > native americans are the most numerous ethnic group in the world.  As long
> > > as it's a world filled decent people (apart from a few Mr. Smiths), I don't
> > > give a damn what color they are.  My personal concerns are about as follows:
> > > My friends
> > > My family
> > > My community
> > > My country
> > > My world
> > > Race doesn't play a factor.  Perhaps I should put my world first, but I tend
> > > to be biased towards the people I know and see regularly.  So I'd definately
> > > defend the rights of a black or jewish friend over those of some white
> > > racist in the wilds of America.
> > >
> > > Carl Skutsch
> > > cskbb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
> > > http://members.aol.com/zenfrycook/carl.html
> >
> >    Thank you! Thank you for finally putting into words what I haven't been
> > able to. I totally agree with you and am glad somebody finally said this.
> > I have already seen BS reply to this, and he did exactly what I knew he
> > would, calling you a race traitor and accusing you of wanting
> > self-extinction.
> >    As somebody said to me on a different thread, you're beating a dead
> > horse, but that's no reason to stop.  As long as there are idiots like
> > brian and the Nazional Alliance out there, keep beating that horse!
> >
> >    -Joseph Clark
> >    josephcl@scf.usc.edu
> 
> You must live a pretty protected enviro to be able to be so magnanamous.
> I have observed the news and such and the only perception I get is that
> the blacks are trying to obtain positions of power the easy way. The
> people I see raising the most fuss about Discrimination are those who
> have attitudes and think they should be promoted just because. This is
> not restricted to the blacks, I realize, however they jump on the Whitey
> is prejudice bandwagon to further their cause. I for one witnessed this
> in the military.  The same guy whining about promotion is the guy who
> was too good to do police call or get dirty.  They did/do a disservice
> to the many blacks who work hard and get promoted because they earned
> it. The successes such as Mr Bill Cosby are then berated as Uncle Toms
> or Tobys. If you want a laugh I watched a talk show with a black woman
> who claimed that black men wear gold chains around their neck because of
> post traumatic stress from slavery. When another black attempted to
> disagree she refered to him as Toby. 'splain it to me?


	Their so-called "antiracism" is consistently anti-white.  You bet your
ass the anti-white white quoted first cares a LOT about race: he is only
interested in WHITE majority countries imprting the thrid world, ane he
wants racial balance and black, so-called low-cost, housing to chase
down any escaping white population.
	Both of those clones are saying that they are white, so they couldn't
possibly be anti-white.  They infer that's something too sick to
imagine.   It's sick, all right, but history is full of ths kind of
sickness.


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> 
> > In article <3287806A.49AB@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >
> > >      In a little time, the dog returns to his vomit and the sow returns
> > > to her mire, and the Politically Correct types go back to saying anyone
> > > who disagrees with them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> >
> > ...and Whitaker goes back to lying about what others have said and done.
> >
> > No one on these newsgroups has ever called Whitaker "A Nazi Who Wants To
> > Kill Six Million Jews". The only person to have used that phrase to refer
> > to Whitaker is Whitaker himself.
> >
> 
> He needs to be corrected, too, because recently declassified documents now
> seem to indicate that the number should be revised upward to seven
> million.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


    Hey, gand, let's be really Progressive and say twelve.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
> >threats.
> 
> I never made any threats. And anyway, I don't need to pretend to be
> nice, since (even if I do say so myself) I am not an unpleasant person
> by nature.
> 
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> >> evidence.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.
> >
> >
> >    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> No, I did not say any such thing.
> 
> >Only PC's like you are truly objective.
> 
> How kind of you to say so.
> 
> >  Now where could I have heard
> >that one before?
> 
> In your own mind.
> 
> >> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >> >in favor of the fact.
> >>
> >> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> >> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> >> victim would have a demonstrable bias?
> >
> >       As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
> >criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
> >you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
> >Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
> >position.
> 
> Not necessarily, it may just reflect the fact that the legislators of
> some countries believe this is the appropriate way to deal with
> Holocaust deniers.
> 
> Someone has a sig which quotes from that old idiot Auberon Waugh who
> asks something along the lines of "what kind of truth is it that needs
> protection?". Whereas I'm not convinced that public denial of the
> Holocaust should be a crime, I do think that Waugh is naive to assume
> that truth can always win out simply by being the truth. When there are
> people who seem determined to cast doubt on well documented history by
> various (mainly disingenuous) methods then truth won't necessarily win
> out in the minds of everyone.



	I have never heard a dictatorship that said anything even slightly
different from what you just said.  Remember "Scientific Socialism" in
the USSR?



> 
> >> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things
> >you
> >> >people demand that I believe.
> >>
> >> I don't demand you believe anything.
> >
> >       Actually, you do.
> 
> Actually I don't.



	You just got through saying that, for your truth to win out, it might
be agood idea to enforce it.


> 
> Even if I did demand such a thing it would be pointless, since there is
> no way that anyone can make you believe something against your will.
> 
> >> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> >>
> >> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> >>
> >> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >> >different category from other historical statements.
> >>
> >> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.
> >
> >      Now what was the this supposed to mean?
> 
> I was simply remarking that the Holocaust is a sensitive subject due to
> what happened in that period of history.
> 
> >   Obviously, that if I
> >question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?
> 
> No. Although I find the concept of your ass in a sling to be somewhat
> odd, this implies some pretty clever contortionist abilities on your


	In between all the bullshit, you ahve alrady admitted actual intent,
even in a piece intended to give just the opposite impression.   In your
protected PC envirnment, I'm sure you're a great deal more direct.
> part.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 07:02:38 PST 1996
Article: 50287 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:53:43 -0500
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Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> 
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
> >Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> >: Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> >: >
> >: > Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> >: > keeps getting stuck.
> >: >
> >: > --
> >: > Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> >: > richard.hanson@gecm.com
> >: > GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> >: > Speaking for myself, of course!
> >
> >
> >:         You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
> >: to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
> >
> >Might we have some citations of the relevant laws (complete with
> >regnal years) and of cases brought under them so that the essential
> >veracity of your statement can be judged by all.
> >
> >:      As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
> >: the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
> >: told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
> >: points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
> >: around to make your three or points sound new.
> >
> >And not from the fact that you really have no arguments to defend
> >your prejudices?
> 
> What prejudices do you think I have then, smartarse? I wasn't going to
> get rude, but when someone bases such an in-depth assessment on me
> based on two messages accusing that someone of repetition, then I have
> to conclude that their brain has something seriously wrong with it.
> 
> >:      The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
> >: Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
> >: repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
> >: abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
> >: viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
> >: tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
> >: than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
> >: something new.
> >
> >In one word: huh?
> 
> This to Mr Whitaker, not Mr Ledgister: Excuse me dickbrain - I haven't given
> *any* arguments in this thread, merely poked fun at your repetition.
> 
> The only thing I can think of that you class as a hate law are the laws
> which prevent people from inciting racial tension - a law which applies
> equally to non-whites as to whites. Try living over here and be surprised
> at the relatively low level of inter-racial tension - it certainly exists
> in places, and is propagated by many people in *all* races.
> 
> What it seems to me is you have a chip on your shoulder about academia.
> But that's what it seems - you never explicitly state your viewpoint.
> 
> >:      Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
> >: hear me.
> >
> >We hear you, Bobby baby, we just can't bring ourselves to believe
> >that your brains were replaced by rocks.   But you're doing a
> >wonderful job persuading all of us.
> 
> Don't insult rocks!
> 
> What amuses me is he has already classed me as a PC clone, even
> though I came into this thread less than a week ago, posted two
> messages poking fun at his repetition. Apparently that makes me
> PC. Interesting logic. I certainly don't consider myself PC -
> I merely believe in an equal chance for everybody based on merit
> and ability and not skin colour or genital apparatus, and I also
> therefore think an idea such as 'positive discrimination' is a
> contradiction in terms. I don't believe in petty language
> censoring, such as banning the word 'blackboard' (interesting
> ban that - personaly, I would have though 'blackboard' had
> positive connotations since they are generally a good tool
> in education).
> 
> There, I've stated my position, at least partitially. Something
> I haven't seen from Mr Whitaker. Perhaps he lives under an old
> wooden bridge and eats billy goats?
> 
> --
> Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> richard.hanson@gecm.com
> GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> Speaking for myself, of course!



	As I keep telling you clones, you seem to think that people who have
spent decades under the ryule of Political Correctness and gone to
school under it  have trouble recognizing you for what you are.
	At least you had the imagination to come up with one or two safe things
you could say you were against that Politically Correct t ypes push.  I
have a strong suspicion this is the first time you ever decided you
would say those were bad, but at least you have a few brain-waves left.
	Your fellow PC's here don't even provide themselves that much cover.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Nov 25 07:16:24 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
threats.



Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> evidence.
> >>
> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.


    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  
Only PC's like you are truly objective.  Now where could I have heard
that one before?



> >>
> >
> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >in favor of the fact.
> 
> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> victim would have a demonstrable bias?

	As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
position.





> 
> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things you
> >people demand that I believe.
> 
> I don't demand you believe anything.

	Actually, you do.  


> 
> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> 
> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> 
> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >different category from other historical statements.
> 
> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.

      Now what was the this supposed to mean?   Obviously, that if I
question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?




> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Her Majesty has been advised...
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >A usual PC reply: the usual pretense at niceness with the implied
> >threats.
> 
> I never made any threats. And anyway, I don't need to pretend to be
> nice, since (even if I do say so myself) I am not an unpleasant person
> by nature.
> 
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> >> You didn't of course answer the question about what forensic evidence
> >> >> you have for Washington having been a president of the US. Are you going
> >> >> to tell us whether you accept any other historical events without having
> >> >> researched the forensic evidence? Because, as previously stated I
> >> >> believe that historical verisimilitude is not important to you as a
> >> >> general issue, but mainly regarding one particular event. You can of
> >> >> course prove me wrong my telling me that you will not accept any other
> >> >> accounts of history without being made fully aware of the forensic
> >> >> evidence.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not trying to say that everything should be accepted without
> >> >> question, but I believe that the motivation for you is not really
> >> >> anything to do with a general principle regarding history.
> >
> >
> >    I know.  You say I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> No, I did not say any such thing.
> 
> >Only PC's like you are truly objective.
> 
> How kind of you to say so.
> 
> >  Now where could I have heard
> >that one before?
> 
> In your own mind.
> 
> >> >    I have no problem accepting Washington's presidency as historical
> >> >fact because it has been stated by people who have no demonstrable bias
> >> >in favor of the fact.
> >>
> >> Much as we need to be aware of possible bias, this doesn't in itself
> >> make it untrue. Would you always not believe a crime report because the
> >> victim would have a demonstrable bias?
> >
> >       As a matter of fact, motivation is a prime consideration in any
> >criiminal trial.  Intent is about everything in crimnal law.   The fact
> >you have to ruin people or jail them if they disagree wiuth your
> >Holocaust pronouncements casts a hell of a lot of doubt on your
> >position.
> 
> Not necessarily, it may just reflect the fact that the legislators of
> some countries believe this is the appropriate way to deal with
> Holocaust deniers.
> 
> Someone has a sig which quotes from that old idiot Auberon Waugh who
> asks something along the lines of "what kind of truth is it that needs
> protection?". Whereas I'm not convinced that public denial of the
> Holocaust should be a crime, I do think that Waugh is naive to assume
> that truth can always win out simply by being the truth. When there are
> people who seem determined to cast doubt on well documented history by
> various (mainly disingenuous) methods then truth won't necessarily win
> out in the minds of everyone.



	I have never heard a dictatorship that said anything even slightly
different from what you just said.  Remember "Scientific Socialism" in
the USSR?



> 
> >> >       This is my problem with the Holocaust, as with so many other things
> >you
> >> >people demand that I believe.
> >>
> >> I don't demand you believe anything.
> >
> >       Actually, you do.
> 
> Actually I don't.



	You just got through saying that, for your truth to win out, it might
be agood idea to enforce it.


> 
> Even if I did demand such a thing it would be pointless, since there is
> no way that anyone can make you believe something against your will.
> 
> >> >  The Holocaust is a multi-billion-dollar
> >> >industry.  It's worth billions a year just to Israel.
> >>
> >> Really, perhaps you could elaborate on this?
> >>
> >> >       I do not deny the Holocaust, but all this puts it in an entirely
> >> >different category from other historical statements.
> >>
> >> Yes, a partciularly sensitive category.
> >
> >      Now what was the this supposed to mean?
> 
> I was simply remarking that the Holocaust is a sensitive subject due to
> what happened in that period of history.
> 
> >   Obviously, that if I
> >question your statemetns on this issue, my ass is in a sling, right?
> 
> No. Although I find the concept of your ass in a sling to be somewhat
> odd, this implies some pretty clever contortionist abilities on your


	In between all the bullshit, you ahve alrady admitted actual intent,
even in a piece intended to give just the opposite impression.   In your
protected PC envirnment, I'm sure you're a great deal more direct.
> part.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >      This is funny.   You are fighting the usual Politically Corret
> >battle for filth for teenagers, while your ellow PC Finsten is screaming
> >bloody murder because innocent PhD's in anthropology are being exposed
> >to some prono stuff in a book by a scientist.  The scientist,
> >surprisingly enough, is not PC, so it just so happens Scientific
> >Anthropologists are jumping all over him.
> >       You PC types certainly are consistent.
> 
> And you, it seems, are consistently unable to read with anything
> approaching comprehension.  The "scientist" is *using* late nineteenth
> century "anthropological" pornography as evidence, Bob, and that is
> what I object to.  J. Phillippe "it's a trade-off: more brains or more
> penis.  You can't have everything" Rushton has shoddy standards of
> evidence.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


	You are saying that is all there is in the entire book?


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 26 06:24:33 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Definition Of White Race
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 23:03:07 -0500
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aAnt_(I)-Rus*!H~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ wrote:
> 
> Upon 25 Nov 1996 16:10:36 -0800, varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) You
> Said...:
> 
> >Nizkor's handler  writing [ 4377] bytes in <32946e47.129719008@news.gte.net> from nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.llv.com!news.probe.net!news.maxrnd.com!news.keyway.net!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.charm.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet said:
> >
> >> >in da mean time, down on ya knees and kiss my superior circuncision.
> >> >
> >> >Shalom on me und I pee on thee...
> >>
> >>      Rather it is like post WW I Germany where they bribed their way
> >> into positions of power and influence.  So to today, they are
> >> unofficially given preference in the schools and in the media and in
> >> Hollywood.  As there are a mere seven IQ points difference in the mean
> >> and the mean IQ of these professions is not all that high, there is
> >> little else to account for the over representation.
> >
> >       Intelligence tests have shown Jews to be the most
> >       intellectually challenged people of Europe, right below
> >       the Gypsies.
> 
> "Gypsies" is not ,never has been, and never ever will be a "RACE".
> Also, a JEW is a JEW by choice due to religious belief...
> Yes,Yes I know....Your mother has to be a jew in order for one to be a
> jew...BUT  A person still chooses to be a practicing jew...
> 
> White is white, you do not CHOOSE to be white...
> You can also deny being white, yet still be white...
> Same goes for any other "Color" of person..
> 
> I know people who were BORN A JEW, and changed religion in their
> adulthood.
> I know NO ONE who was born white that changed to another color upon
> adulthood...
> 
> Some people have no concept of what RACE really means...
> Black is a color..
> White is a color...
> 
> European is a "Place from which people come from"
> European is NOT a race!
> German, which for the challenged, is part of Europe...
> German is a RACE OF PEOPLE...
> French is a RACE...
> African is NOT, and never will be, a race...
> Nigerian, south african, lybian are Countries in Africa...
> They , nigerian, lybian, south african, are RACES!

Recent geographical lines produce races? 
That's even sillier than most PC's. 



> 
> To follow the logic that some people seem to have let's try this for
> size...
> 
> Resistor's have "Color codes"
> I've never , ever , heard anyone say, "What's the value of that
> resistor"....."Well, you can tell the OHM value by looking at the RACE
> CODE"
> 
> By The Way, What "RACE" of shirt do you wear ?
> Confused yet?
> "I wanted a red car, but the dealer didn't have any of that RACE in
> stock..."
> "Why do banannas start out GREEN RACE?"
> 
> Children listen up, name the colors RACES of the rainbow in the
> sky...
> 
> "Which wire do I cut to stop the bomb?!!!,  Cut the RED RACE WIRE"
> 
> ONE MORE THING!!!
> 
> A "racist" is a person who judges other people based on their "Nation
> Of Origin".... So..... Being biased against "Black People" or "White
> People" would be a colorist...
> 
> The KKK are COLORIST... not racists...
> You people SUCK!


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 26 06:36:17 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jim Walsh wrote:
> 
> In article <3295ED38.7E95@conterra.com>,
>    Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> ::And your only interest is in pushing your precious interracial
> ::relationships only in majority-white countries, and in EVERY
> ::majority-white country.
> 
> Nonsense. I favor marriage whenever and where-ever two people are that wish to
> make a life together. The last wedding I attended was between a Canadian and
> citizen of the Republic of China. The last marriage ceremony that I attended
> occurred here in Taiwan (which is definitely NOT a majority-white country by
> your definition, is it?). Bigots here who are your mirror-image opposed the
> wedding because the Canadian was not Chinese. I supported it because both
> bride and groom loved and honored each other.
> 
>      Love, Jim Walsh
> 
> [P.S. I sometimes correct spelling and grammar in quoted material without intending to modify the meaning.]


	The only countries you demand massive third world immigration into are
white majority countries, you demand it for ALL white majority
countries.  Your big "integration" program is aimed solely at
white-majority countries.
	This crap about one weddig in China doesn't change reality.


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Kathleen Mulhern wrote:
> 
> In article <55qs1s$9l5@is05.micron.net>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> 
> *(yawn)  No, Jim, my intention is not to create ANY genocides -- either
> *real or faked.   The goal of White nationalists is a separate White
> *homeland for the preservation of our people, to prevent them a certain
> *and repulsive extinction in a sea of mud.  however, if you supposedly
> *value diversity and tolerance so much, than surely you will not mind a
> *number of Whites "opting out" of your "multicultural paradise" (gag!)
> *to preserve their own unique kind?
> 
> O.K.... STILL waiting for a definition of a "pure white race."  Please
> post it... if you have it.  Oh... you CAN'T post a definition of a "pure
> white race?"  But why ever not?  OH!!  BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING!!  I
> understand now.






    Brian, don't get bogged down in sophism with these clowns. When they
say there is no white race, they are tacitly admitting that they are
interested in immigration and integration in ALL white Majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  The only way they can
claim this pattern is not genocide is to say there is no white race.  
        But don't get drawn into this definitional sophism. 
Concentrate  on
the admission behind it.





 
> --
> kate@accessone.com
> 
> "Phillip Morris Denies Cigarettes Are Cylindrical."
>           -Headline from "The Onion."


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >     As I have told you many times, I believe Jews were killed by Nazis,
> >but I doubt any "fact" which is backed by laws and ruined professions.
> >It is illegal to question the number six million in too many countries
> >for me to belive it's true.
> 
> You know, maybe you just don't understand the difference between real
> historical revisionism, which is being done by genuine Holocaust
> historians, and Holocaust denial, which masquerades (badly) as
> historical revisionism and has as its underlying agenda the cleansing
> of fascism.  There is a big difference between the two.
> 
> The number is debated and revised, and is currently undergoing
> discussion with the release of new documents from a variety of
> sources. I don't see the folks doing this being harassed, charged,
> or imprisoned in any country.
> 
> [...]
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman

	


	You're a good PC, you don't see anything you don't want to.  If you
will check, it's a felony in France and Germany(that I know of) to deny
the nuymber six million -- unless of course, you go up on.  It is
probably so in many other European countries.  So much for this "I don't
see anyone being harrasses crap".  
	It reminds me of a libeal returning from the USSR in the 1930's who was
asked about the killing of kulaks.  "I saw no dead peasants", he said.
	No, I won't go look up the case law for you.  If I did, you would just
justify the imprisonment of people for saying less than six million, and
you would INSTANTLY forget you ever denied the fact.   It's a waste of
time.


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Some time back, the newsgroups were buzzing with news of a major study
which revealed that concealed weapons permits led directly to a decrease
in violent crime where they have been tried.  I don't have the reference
to that study and I need it BADLY>


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rarpol@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In article <848546283$5858@atype.com>, "Aryan" 
> writes:
> 
> >WHITE ARYAN RESISTANCE
> >
> >           WAR
> >       P.O. Box 65
> >      Fallbrook, Ca
> >          92088
> >
> >  http://www.resist.com
> >
> >  EMAIL TOM METZGER:  metzger@resist.com
> >
> >
> 
> I thought we got rid of this scum.
> 
> Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)


	Who the hel is this "we", you pathetic little Politically Correct types
who hide behind Mommy Professors' skirts?


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Daniel Kuehne  wrote:
> 
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> >> It's also
> >> interesting the way, not much more than a century ago, African-
> >> Americans were only considered to 3/5 human.
> 
> >Actually, Laura, the thing about blacks (sorry for not using a politically-correct term
> >here, but "African-Americans" is far too cumbersome) being considered only "3/5 human"
> >is a liberal myth. First off, it only applied to black *slaves*. Secondly, as you know,
> >the Constitutional debate involved a compromise between the northern and southern states
> >regarding representation in the House of Representatives. It had absolutely NOTHING to
> >do with anybody considering slaves to be only "3/5 human." But, I must say, thank you
> >much for pointing out this *excellent* example of liberal historical revisionism.
> 
> Well, you know, not being American, and having somehow gotten this far in life without
> every studying American history, I can concede the error.
> 
> However, the error, if indeed it is one, is trivial next the implications of slavery
> for those enslaved.  They had none of the rights of citizens, but instead were
> treated much like domesticated animals.  So whether there was a formula or not, they
> clearly were not considered to be "human" in any meaningful sense of the term.  And
> one can see that the legacy of this ideology, whether it was ever explicitly expressed
> arithmetically, lives on in the minds of many Americans.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


	Finsten is *always* Politically Correct.


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Some time back, the newsgroups were buzzing with news of a major study
which revealed that concealed weapons permits led directly to a decrease
in violent crime where they have been tried.  I don't have the reference
to that study and I need it BADLY!
        Can someone please give it to me?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Diversity  does NOT means defeat of any race
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:24:06 -0500
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <328a2890.9711893@news2.cais.com>, marshall@haverford.edu wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:16:38 -0800, Messiah  wrote:
> >
> 
> >
> > The classifications are based on origins.  No one has said that the
> > races cannot mix.  (Although one or two have said they "shouldn't".)
> >
> 
> What is the 'origin' of a person who is the product of a biracial
> coupling? The problem with the classifications is that they are not used
> only taxonomically, but also exclusionarily. Thus, for example, a person
> who has three 'white' grandparents and one 'black' one is usually regarded
> as 'black', indeed, as long as any trace of 'non-whiteness' is
> discernable, the descendants of such a person will be regarded as non-white.
> The idea that the classifications are based on origins is a fallacious
> illusion, as is the idea that human beings could be neatly classified into
> a handful of pigeonholes with respect to their putative 'origin'.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, Scourge of racial purity, etc. etc. etc.


	Horseshit!  You're not talking about "the races".   You're talking
about how to integrate all white majority countries and get rid of
whitey.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 26 07:43:52 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:57:41 -0500
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jrs wrote:
> 
> holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> 
> >In article <55n3p5$aom@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan
> >Matthews) wrote:
> 
> >> In article <327D0EB1.4FD7@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >> >   No way.  I made my living with political advice, and you better be
> >> >right if you're going to make a living that way.
> >>
> >> Given that you're almost always wrong I doubt this is how you actually make
> >> your "living."
> 
> >Notice that he used the *past* tense.
> 
> KingGene,
> 
> Although as a rule it is most difficult to decipher Whitaker's
> ramblings, We think that Bobby has expressed that he was run out of
> academia and politics because of his racist views (Bobby, please
> correct me if I am wrong). He seems to be quite bitter about it.
> 
> JRS
> 
> >We have spoken.
> 
> >Eugene the Curly-headed
> >King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> >Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


    No.  They sure tried, but no.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 26 07:43:53 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:55:04 -0500
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    I never accused you of "bragging" about your PhD.
> 
> Well Mr. Whit, since I've never put those letters behind my name, or a Dr.
> in front of it in 10 months of posting here, why would I start now?
> I have never referred to my degrees here, period.  You have always said
> that degrees themselves are irrelevant.  I agree with you on that point,
> and I think the fact that I haven't made an issue of them indicates that.
> You are the one who is now making an issue of my doctorate.  Why are you
> doing that, Mr. Whitaker?
> 
> >    I never trotted out my degrees.  As you well know, I made fun of a
> >guy who had PhD after his name, and your crowd got terribly upset at the
> >very concept i would have such a thing.
> 
> What I recall is that someone flamed you for your lousy writing while you
> were ridiculing another poster for that.  Your response made it very clear
> that you have a PhD, too.  I don't recall anybody being upset about that.
> I do remember you becoming very upset when I called you "Dr. Whitaker" in
> the next post addressed to you, though.
> 
> >     I've made the latter point every time you people have said this,
> >but of course I'll have to repeat it for each of you.
> 
> All kinds of wingnuts have PhDs, Mr. Whitaker.  You're living proof of
> that.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Mommy Professor
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    You got it backwards, of course.  You live in a world where PhD's
are the priests to the superstitious PC peasants, so you're trying to be
modest about it.
     I guess this is the first time you've ever dealt with somebody who
is truly not only not impressed, but quite the opposite.  I was offended
that you get paid full time to push this Politically Coorect crap and
didn't admit it up front.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 26 07:43:53 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> >> Would you like to discuss the evidence that human "races" are (or are not)
> >> monophyletic, Mr. Whit?  Or compare heterozygosity and mtDNA maximum
> >> divergence among human "races" and among subspecies of other primates?
> 
> >    Nobody's impressed.  Are you going to start signing your stuff,
> >"PhD" now?
> 
> I thought not.
> 
> No, and I have never "bragged" about having a PhD, Mr. Whit.  If you care
> to do a Dejanews search, you'll find that I have mentioned it in only in the
> context of some jokes about pizza.  Some people got the double meaning when
> I talked about my pizza homing device with the acronym PhD, and some didn't.
> 
> I've been flamed for incompetence and ignorance, and never once trotted out
> my degrees as a defence, unlike you.  Unlike you, as well, I let my posts
> stand on the quality of my arguments.  But you don't have that option.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    I never accused you of "bragging" about your PhD.  
    I never trotted out my degrees.  As you well know, I made fun of a
guy who had PhD after his name, and your crowd got terribly upset at the
very concept i would have such a thing.
     I've made the latter point every time you people have said this,
but of course I'll have to repeat it for each of you.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Booby Whitaker - political advisor and academic or just a white power liar?
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:12:19 -0500
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> AgamemnoN  wrote:
> >If Mr Whitaker was to actually tell you who his clients are, its not
> >as if you wouldn't try and contact them or anything??
> 
> Actually, I think that the problem is that almost anyone who's had
> any "interchange" with the Whitless one would be amazed to learn
> what sort of job it actually *was.* Based on the level of analysis
> and critical reasoning [to say nothing of his grasp of simple notions
> like "evidence"] I've seen here and on Bob's web page "book," I can't
> imagine what sort of properly accredited institution would grant him
> a *undergraduate* degree, let stand anything higher. If William Anderson's
> comments on his having edited this book on the "New Right" here are right,
> I'm left with an equally wierd conundrum. The edit job seems reasonably work-
> manlike, so how do we explain that this work was done by the ranting kook
> we behold here in the present? Is the editor Bob somehow "in drag" as
> a man capable of mounting a reasonable argument, and the Bob who delights
> us here is his "real self" [he's discussed dissembling in print in his early
> posts, after all, so it's reasonable to entertain that that's the case]?
> Perhaps there's some intervening bits we know little about (that's my guess).
> If so, the time line on the guy who edited this book to bwhit is a
> journey of tragic proportions; G*d save us all from such a fate.
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html



     I am mortally wounded!
     As you all know, I live and die by the opinion of brain-dead PC
types.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Bob Whitaker: Warrior or Whiner?
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <3288F620.4A70@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >Jacques Mirelle wrote:
> >> * Literally, are you "A Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews"? Yes or
> >> no?
> >
> >   No.
> >
> >>
> >> * Do you think that Hitler murdered millions of Jews? Don't equivocate
> >> by talking about the alleged "propaganda campaign" and lack of real
> >> evidence -- just say exactly what you believe.
> >
> >      I believe lots of Jews were killed by Nazis.  Unlike you, I do not
> >believe in anything which smacks of required internal consent.
> 
> "Required internal consent?"  What, exactly, do you mean by that little
> phrase, Booby?   Trying to shift, minimize or avoid the blame?
> 
> > I have no idea how many Jews died under Hitler, but I am willing to bet the
> >official figure is wrong.
> 
> Why is that?  Especially since there are no "official" figures, just how many
> Jews do YOU think the Nazis killed?
> 
> >      I have faith in offical figures.
> 
> An odd statement given what you said about the Holocaust's "official"
> figures...
> 
> >        Either there is something basically wrong with the official Jewish
> >approach to the world, or everybody is crazy but the Jews.
> 
> Ok, so at least you're making it clear that you're an anti-semite.   BTW, just
> what, exactly, do you think the "official" Jewish approach to the world is?
> Also, why do you see things as the Jews vs. everybody else?  Why so black and
> white about it?  Academics have to be able to see the shades of grey in
> things.  No wonder you're a failed academic.
> 
> >That is why I say your approach insists that Jews are angels every bit as
> >strongly as the Nazis insist Jews are devils.
> 
> This idea of yours is not clearly presented here.  Care to give us a little
> more detail on why disagreeing with you is saying "Jews are angels?"
> 
> >> * Do American blacks people have an inherent right to live in the same
> >> cities as white people?
> >
> >    I do not understand the term "inherent" as used here.
> 
> Big surprise.  How about just leaving out the word "inherent" in the above
> question then?  Afterall, the term "inherent right" is redundent.  All rights
> are inherent or they'd be privileges.  So, Booby, do American black people
> have the right to live in the same cities as American white people?
> 
> >Attend the same colleges?
> >
> >        No.
> 
> Why not?  At least you're finally coming clear about being a racist fool.  It
> also makes it clearer why academia and you have parted company.
> 
> >>Live in the same neighborhoods?
> 
> > No.
> 
> Again, why not?
> 
> >Marry a blond-haired blue-eyed 18-year-old virgin named Schmidt?
> >
> >        Absolutely not.
> 
> Oh heavens no!  We have to protect our women folk!  ROTFL!  Bobby's probably
> starts seathing with jealousy at the very thought of a black guy diddling a
> fine white maiden.
> 
> >   We now get to your basic interest.  All white majority countries must
> >be immigrated into and integrated and intermarried, as your final
> >solution to the white problem.  Everybody else has homelands of their
> >own, but not whitey.
> >   Your reasons are 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the white
> >race deserves it.     I am not so naive as to suppose any of you will
> >ever address any of this.  I say it over your heads to those who do want
> >it answered.
> >    You're just static.
> 
> Odd, I don't see the question as pointing to this "basic interest" at all.
> Its a big leap to go from saying you think its ok for whites and blacks to
> marry to saying that someone's out to destroy the white race.  Why do you see
> things in such stark terms?  What are you so worried about and why?  Have you
> gotten so used to creating strawmen to attack that you can't see things any
> other way?
> 
> >> * Are blacks capable of success in modern industrial society?
> >
> >   Please go back to your Mommy Professor and get an update.  "Modern
> >industrial society" is a cliche from a generation ago.  This is a
> >post-industrial third wave society.
> 
> Oh, how very chic.  "Third wave" indeed.  Pick up any more of Newt's favorite
> buzz words lately?   Instead of dodging the question, perhaps you'd favor us
> with an answer.  Perhaps if I reworded it for you.  How about:  Are blacks
> capable of success in our current society?
> 
> >        I think that with enough whites to carry them, a black minority can
> >do wonderfully for themselves,
> 
> Just like those who work for Texaco, right?  Or had to live in Soweto?  And
> just why didn't you emigrate to South Africa or Rhodesia when the getting was
> good?  Just why do blacks need whites to carry them?  Where have whites
> "carried" blacks in the past?
> 
> Allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


   Now, you said if+ I would dare answer these questions, you would
suddnely have all this great respect, etc. -- the old PC crap.  Now you
just bitch, as you clones always do when someone actually answers your
questions.


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Peter Nosko wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote in article
> <328F778F.7542@conterra.com>...
> > frank@clark.net wrote:
> > >
> > > I moved this over from a thread called "Whites...the NEW native
> > > Americans."
> > >
> > > Allan Matthews (amatthews@cybercom.net) wrote:
> > > : In article
> ,
> Maverick  wrote:
> > > : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> > > : >>
> > > : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier
> rightful place
> > > : > as
> > > : >> native americans.
> > > : >
> > > : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a
> 10,000+yr
> > > : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European
> genetically
> > > : >rather than the Asian-Indian...
> > > : >
> > > : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration
> here.
> > > : >
> > > : >looks like I'll have to start marking that native American section.
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > : Gee, you'd think that something like this would be big news.  Just
> where did
> > > : you find this little piece of information?  Not that I think you're
> making
> > > : this up or anything...
> > >
> > > It was big news, as least in the scientific community. What happened is
> > > that an archeologist dug up a skull in North America that looked quite
> > > Caucasoid to him and dated it very early, but not earlier than the
> first
> > > Indian migrations. It was in the _New Yrok Times_.
> > >
> > > However, Federal law appears to let Indians keep their ancestor's
> remains
> > > and rebury them if they wish. So the tribe in question (which had only
> > > lived in the region for 500 years) claimed that this skeleton was one
> of
> > > "their" ancestors. Upshot: whatever Federal agency is responsible for
> > > interpreting the law ordered that the tribe could rebury the skull and
> did
> > > not have to allow any further scientific testing to corroborate the
> > > skull's race and to more precisely date it. As I recall the margin of
> > > error of the preliminary dating was a factor of two.
> > >
> > > A couple of weeks later the Tuesday "Science News" section of the NYT
> had
> > > a major article on the Indian Fundamentalists, which is exactly the
> word
> > > used. I looked in my pile of clippings for the piece, since I know I
> saved
> > > it, but it wasn't in that particular pile.
> > >
> > > Oddly enough, at least in terms of what gets said on this thread, there
> > > was no one saying that races don't exist, that race cannot be inferred
> > > from a skull, and other such things. Anyhow, it is an exciting
> discovery,
> > > and I hope the archeologist snipped off some hair or whatever for DNA
> > > testing.
> > >
> > > Frank Forman
> > > frank@clark.net
> > > "It is a far, far better thing to be firmly
> > > anchored in nonsense than to put out on the
> > > troubled seas of thought" - John Kenneth Galbraith
> > > --
> >
> >
> >    One of the ng's here is anthropolgy.  Isn't it a surprise that not
> > one single Scientifi Anthropologist Who Proves Race Don't Exist even
> > mentioned this at all.
> >     Is anybody surprised?
> >
> 
> Yeah, right.  Sounds just like a fish story--  "It was
> <----------this---------> big, but I threw it back."
> 
> Anyone got the name of the Anthropologist that dug it up?
> 
> --
> Peter Nosko
> pete@technologist.com
> Race is a Pigment of the Imagination


   Finsten, after not bringing the subject up at all, since it was
un-PC, did name the anthropologist after she was called on it by
Forman.  To our unanimous surprise, she declared he was untrustworthy,
thereby producing the 100,000the consecutive politically Correct
statement of Scientific Anthropoly.
	You clones must now go drom "it didn't happen" to "it didn't matter". 
As usual.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:28:43 -0500
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jrs wrote:
> 
> cgage@haverford.edu (cynthia gage) wrote:
> 
> >In article <32907C2C.38DF@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >> cynthia gage wrote:
> >> > What does
> >> > "PC" mean to you, what is YOUR definition.  Why do you insist I'm trying
> >> > to trick you?  I've now asked you the same question three times and you've
> >> > yet to answer it.  Perhaps the answer lies in your silence on the issue?
> >> > Perhaps there is no "PC"?
> >> > Still wondering :)
> >> > Cynthia
> 
> >
> >>     Try something novel:  actualy read what I said, hold back the
> >> knee-jerk PC reaction a second, and you will see that I already answered
> >> you.
> 
> >I'm trying, I really am.  I can't find where you've answered my question.
> >Can you give me a hint as to where the answer may lay? -- Maybe I missed
> >that post...  Actually, I'd also really appreciate it if you stopped
> >replying to all my questions by claiming they are themselves "PC" until
> >you cleary explain what that means.  I haven't been naming you as part of
> >any category -- defined or not, why do you insist on putting me in one?
> >Thanks :)
> >Cynthia
> 
> Cynthia,
> 
> You probably will not get an answer from Bobby. You see, He seems to
> have a bit of a *problem* if you get my drift.
> 
> Bobby often expresses the beleif that many people  believe he is a
> "Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews" .  These people are referred
> to as "clones" in Bobby's terminology. At this very moment, we surmise
> that Bobby  is sitting in his chair, silently,  ruminating about how
> that new Cynthia Clone is plotting against him.
> 
> Although it's hard to get the straight story from Bobby hiumself, we
> *think* (or perhaps "gather" is a better term) that he was run out of
> politics and academia due to his blatant racism, and he seems to be
> *quite bitter* about the whole sordid episode, hence his presence
> here.
> 
> There is also speculation that Bobby is a member of the infamous
> national alliance,  but Bobby will not say whether this is true or
> not.

   I already answered previous clones on this point.  I don't know
anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.  So what?
	I have to answer the same thing from each clone every time -- each of
you thinks he thought of the same old line -- and you accuse me of
repeitition.
	Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?


> 
> You'll get to know Bobby better after you are here awhile. He's
> actually quite entertaining most of the time, poor soul.


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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration
Subject: Re: blood sucking Brian Smith
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:10:45 -0500
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> reverend@iinet.net.au (AgamemnoN) wrote:
> 
> >The only thing different between Brian Smith and Jim Walsh is that
> >Brian Smith has the ability to QUESTION and Jimbo has has the ability
> >to CONSUME!!!
> 
> >It is quite and absolutely irrelevant whether All Brian's facts are
> >100% correct, but by his true nature, he willl constantly revise these
> >facts untill a finite conclusion is obtained. If presented with
> >another revised factsheet of statistics he will no doubt honestly
> >present these.
> 
> I've been following a discussion between "Brian Smith" and an
> Africanist archaeologist over on misc.activism.militia.  Among
> other things, they've been talking about African colonial history
> and prehistory.  The Africanist has been doing research in Africa
> for, oh I'm not sure, 10 or 15 year.  Discovering new facts, in
> other words.  He is also extremely knowledgeable about African
> history and, because he has spent so much time living Africa while
> he does his research there, has considerable first-hand experience
> of African people, and contemporary African societies and culture.
> 
> It is pretty obvious, though, that Brian's brain, if he has one,
> is closed shut as tight as a rusted steel trap.  He knows nothing
> about African history or Africans except what he has read in
> racist propaganda rags.  And he clearly isn't interested in learning.
> He doesn't argue positions, he denies their veracity based on
> nothing more than his scant "knowledge" and prejudices.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


    Here we go again, the old PC refrain, "All the professionals agree
with me, everybody else is ignorant."
     Nobody make sit in Afriican archeology if he doesn't toe the PC
line.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
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jrs wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >jrs wrote:
> 
> [..]
> 
> >> There is also speculation that Bobby is a member of the infamous
> >> national alliance,  but Bobby will not say whether this is true or
> >> not.
> 
> >   I already answered previous clones on this point.
> 
> Aha!  Which previous clone did you answer? Also, since you answered a
> "previous" clone, what happened to that clone? We'd *all" like an
> answer to that one, Dr. Moriarty!
> 
> > I don't know anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.
> 
> A likely story!
> 
> >So what?
> 
> We care! We care!  (dual care's there)
> 
> >       I have to answer the same thing from each clone every time
> 
> Yea, Just *when* did you answer each clone? Answer that one, Bobby
> Professor! AND! Did you answer the VERY SAME THING???????



   This is unusual even for one of you brain-dead clones.  In the next
letter, you quote what I said to your fellow clone.  
	



 
> HuHHHHH????
> 
> >-- each of you thinks he thought of the same old line
>      ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I beg your pardon! *You*  may have multiple personalities professor,
> but I can  ASSURE you that there is only ONE of me!
> 
> >-- and you accuse me of repeitition.
> 
> No, I do not *accuse* you of repetition.  It is simply *observed*.
> 
> >       Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?
> 
> Oh, so you didn't like the Beatles, eh?
> 
> (that's a joke, for you bland intellects out there (brian?)) (I know
> it's McCartney)


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Allan Matthews wrote:
> 
> In article <328CB097.497E@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >   Sorry, I can't give you an indstant education.  And they obviuously
> >arent' doing that in the academic bureaucracy either.
> 
> Let's just have a look at this particular Ph.D.'s education...
> 
> "indstant"  "obviuously"  "arent'"
> 
> At the very least he obviously didn't do too well when it came to learning
> typing...
> 
> And no, booby, the academic bureaucracy certainly doesn't hand out "instant
> education."  I've yet to see any portion of it claim it does.
> 
> You always claim to be trying to teach all us "clones" something.  Yet I've
> never been able to see anything worth learning in your posts.   And, besides
> that, you almost never reply to direct questions with anything besides the
> same old tired crap like "clone," "politically correct," "mommy professor" or
> some reference to your favorite hobby, masturbation.
> 
> For starters, why don't you tell us why you're against the following:
> 
> 1.  blacks going to school with whites
> 2.  blacks and whites living in the same towns together
> 3.  blacks and whites marrying
     

	The last is the only one you are interested in.  PC's demand massive
third world  immigration into white majority countries, and ONLY into
white majority countries.  They demand racial balance in white majority
countries, and ONLY in white majority countries.  They use busing and
low-cost houses to chase us down.  After all this, intermarriage is the
final solution to the white probelm.   This is what you call
"anti-racism".
	I'm surprised you didn't notice I had sais this before.
	Don't worry.  I'll keep repeating it until you hear me.


> 
> Its really not enough for a great and overlooked academic like yourself to
> just say "I'm against it" to us clones and call it education.   Only mommies
> try to get by with "because I said so, that's why."
> 
> allan
> 
> =================================================
>             amatthews@cybercom.net
> =================================================
> A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> =================================================
> http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> =================================================


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frank@clark.net wrote:
> 
> I moved this over from a thread called "Whites...the NEW native
> Americans."
> 
> Allan Matthews (amatthews@cybercom.net) wrote:
> : In article , Maverick  wrote:
> : >On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 flashm19@mail.idt.net wrote:
> : >>
> : >> I believe it is time for the whites in america to take thier rightful place
> : > as
> : >> native americans.
> : >
> : >funny you should say that.  In Nevada, they recently dug up a 10,000+yr
> : >old body of a native American and it turned out to be European genetically
> : >rather than the Asian-Indian...
> : >
> : >The scientists said that this body predated the Indian migration here.
> : >
> : >looks like I'll have to start marking that native American section.
> : >
> :
> : Gee, you'd think that something like this would be big news.  Just where did
> : you find this little piece of information?  Not that I think you're making
> : this up or anything...
> 
> It was big news, as least in the scientific community. What happened is
> that an archeologist dug up a skull in North America that looked quite
> Caucasoid to him and dated it very early, but not earlier than the first
> Indian migrations. It was in the _New Yrok Times_.
> 
> However, Federal law appears to let Indians keep their ancestor's remains
> and rebury them if they wish. So the tribe in question (which had only
> lived in the region for 500 years) claimed that this skeleton was one of
> "their" ancestors. Upshot: whatever Federal agency is responsible for
> interpreting the law ordered that the tribe could rebury the skull and did
> not have to allow any further scientific testing to corroborate the
> skull's race and to more precisely date it. As I recall the margin of
> error of the preliminary dating was a factor of two.
> 
> A couple of weeks later the Tuesday "Science News" section of the NYT had
> a major article on the Indian Fundamentalists, which is exactly the word
> used. I looked in my pile of clippings for the piece, since I know I saved
> it, but it wasn't in that particular pile.
> 
> Oddly enough, at least in terms of what gets said on this thread, there
> was no one saying that races don't exist, that race cannot be inferred
> from a skull, and other such things. Anyhow, it is an exciting discovery,
> and I hope the archeologist snipped off some hair or whatever for DNA
> testing.
> 
> Frank Forman
> frank@clark.net
> "It is a far, far better thing to be firmly
> anchored in nonsense than to put out on the
> troubled seas of thought" - John Kenneth Galbraith
> --


   One of the ng's here is anthropolgy.  Isn't it a surprise that not
one single Scientifi Anthropologist Who Proves Race Don't Exist even
mentioned this at all.
    Is anybody surprised?


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Fragano Ledgister wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> : >
> : > Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> : > keeps getting stuck.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> : > richard.hanson@gecm.com
> : > GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> : > Speaking for myself, of course!
> 
> :         You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
> : to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
> 
> Might we have some citations of the relevant laws (complete with
> regnal years) and of cases brought under them so that the essential
> veracity of your statement can be judged by all.
> 
> :       As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
> : the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
> : told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
> : points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
> : around to make your three or points sound new.
> 
> And not from the fact that you really have no arguments to defend
> your prejudices?
> 
> :       The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
> : Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
> : repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
> : abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
> : viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
> : tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
> : than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
> : something new.
> 
> In one word: huh?

aka, DUHH!



> 
> :       Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
> : hear me.
> 
> We hear you, Bobby baby, we just can't bring ourselves to believe
> that your brains were replaced by rocks.   But you're doing a
> wonderful job persuading all of us.
> 
> ,.
> 
> --
> Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
> She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Nov 26 07:44:03 PST 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:12:46 -0500
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Ross Archer wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote this:
> >    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
> >on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
> >record of PC consistency that discredits you.
> 
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Fascinating logic.  Dissecting this tangled  mess of
> fuzzy logic into its constituent underlying nonsense
> premises:
> 
> 1.    "PC" (still an undefined term) equals a tyranny (which is
> an oppressive form of governance.)  [ Funny, there was no "PC Party"
> on my ballot this November.]
> 
> 2.    Evidently, the plausibility of an argument has nothing to do
> with its quality, logic  or appeal.   No, instead plausibility results
> directly from the large number of people making the argument --
> that's why public opinion can never shift or change away from the
> majority opinion to a minority opinion, and why we all believe the
> Earth to be flat and the center of the Universe to this very day.]
> 
> 3.   If the arguments from a lot of people are consistent with
> each other, this casts doubt on the arguments.  If  a set of
> arguments are perfectly consistent, why, then they
> are impeached of credibility.  [The alert reader may note that
> this is exactly  how  science doesn't  work.]
> 
> Such pure horseshit could only emerge from a pure [fill in the rest
> yourself].


        Arguments which are consistent with each other and enforced by
ruining careers and by law are invariably false and tyrannical.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination,sci.anthropology,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
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Gregory Taylor wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> >I already answered previous clones on this point.  I don't know
> >anybody who belongs to the National Alliance.  So what?
> 
> >Why this McCarthyite kick, anyway?
> 
> I can't speak for everyone here, but some of us may be asking you
> about your possible ties with the National Alliance (let's see - if
> my Plausibledeniabilityspeak is still working properly, not claiming
> to "know* anybody who belongs to the National Alliance is not, strictly
> speaking, an answer to the question - it merely says something about
> your acquaintances - without defining what you might mean by acquaintance.
> The proper end-all answer would be "I am not nor have I ever been a
> either a member of or in the employ of the National Alliance."



I am not nor have I ever been a either a member of or in the employ of
the National Alliance.
Now go screw yourself.


 Being an
> ex-Capital Hill guy as you claim, I'd think you'd know that.) because
> we're



   "we"?   That's funny, you clones claim to be absolutely unconnected
Independent Thinkers whom only a mind-reder would be able to speak for
in a group when I refer to you as "clones".  Now it's "we"
    Good old Politically Correct Doublethink!




 a trifle curious about just what sort of folks in DeeCee *would*
> put you on a payroll.

    As I tell each of you clones in turn, look at the dust jacket of my
book.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating it until each ofyou hears me.



 My guess is that you were either working on the
> Hill in in the days before your Rant-O-Meter got pinned on the redline,
> or that you were "in drag" as something other than a lunatic racist, *or*
> that you were drawing a paycheck from someone like, say, Willis Carto
> (which *would* go some distance toward explaining how quickly you came up
> with that line about being "A Nazi Who Wants to etc. etc. etc." which no
> one has ever been shown to have accused you of. Perhaps our curiousity
> has been picqued by the growing suspicion that you are, in fact, actually
> *incapable* of handing simple tasks like stating your positions clearly and
> defending them with cogently marshalled evidence. If that's the case, then
> we're all left wondering who on earth would want to hire a "researcher"
> who demonstrates your evident lack of cognitive skills.

	  Please look at the above paragraph.  He is saying, once again, that I
am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews while he is denying that he
and his clones say that I am A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
	Good old Politically Correct Doublethink.
	I have had the highest level of security clearance available to a
civilian.  My background has been checked.   That makes it really hard
on you left-wing McCarthites, but it won't keep you from making the same
old accusations, clone by clone.




> 
> Hope this helps clear things up for you.
> 
> --
> The arts are the field on which we place our own dreams, thoughts, and desires
> alongside those of others, so that solitudes can meet, to their joy sometimes,
> or to their surprise, and sometimes to their disgust.(R. Hughes) Gregory Taylor
> WORT-FM 89.9 Madison, Wisconsin http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/RTQE.html


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Richard P. Hanson wrote:
> 
> Can someone please jog that record player, that Bob Whitaker record
> keeps getting stuck.
> 
> --
> Rich Hanson, Software Engineer, +44 (0)1634 844400 x4937
> richard.hanson@gecm.com
> GEC Marconi Avionics Limited, Rochester, Kent, ENGLAND
> Speaking for myself, of course!


        You are speaking fro the land where "the truth is no excuse" not
to go to prison for speach banned under your Hate Laws.
	As I tell you clones, one at a time, my repetition comes directly from
the fact that you only make two or three points, but Mommy Professor
told you that if you put them in different words, they are different
points.  I have to use the same exact arguments on all your weaving
around to make your three or points sound new.
	The force of your argument is in ruining people for violating Political
Correctness and in your Hate Laws, so your arguments remain hopeless
repetitions of crap that wouldn't last five minutes iif you didn't have
abosolute unquestioned control over academia(can you imagine any leftist
viewpoint, no matter how kooky, that couldn't get plenty of backing from
tax-paid lefty academics?).  I just repeat in the same words.  rather
than pretending, as a "respectable" rightist would, that you are saying
something new.
	Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this to each of you clones until you
hear me.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >   This is one of the clones who shrieks foul over and over when I say
> >they routinely accuse anyone who disagrees of being A Nazi Who Wants To
> >Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Perhaps you could try a valium, Bob, if the lithium isn't working.
> 
> >       Finsten kept insisting she knew all socialists are not communists, all
> >racists are not nazis, the means of dictatorwhip is the biug
> >difference.  Now I'm a raciwst fascist, ie, a Nazi, and her wild
> >protestants ("You're LYING about me!") are down the old Politically
> >Correct Memory Hole
> >       PC Doublethink, as usual.
> 
> Are you claiming that the National Alliance is not a fascist organisation
> with a racist political agenda, Bob?

    In your duets with others accusing the National Alliance of being
Nazi, you never dsitance yourself from them, so one must assume you
agree that it is a Nazi organization.  I know the only reason a
left-wing social democrat is not a communist is because he does not
favor totalitariansim, and you claimed you knew the same thing about 
racists versus Nazis, but I still have seen no sign of it whatsoever.


> 
> [...]
> >    PC has thousands of people like yo to come up with plusible attacks
> >on all opposition.   All tyrannies do.  It is your absolutely perfect
> >record of PC consistency that discredits you.
> 
> So you are calling me a liar.  


	That assumes that a totally Politically Correct clone like you
understands that what she says is not the truth.  To you, this is The
Truth.



Well, Bob, you're wrong.  As I said, I've
> heard very little about the case in question.  I was unaware that a judge
> had agreed that the bones should be reburied.  You want to know how PC I
> am on the general subject of repatriation and reburial of skeletal remains,
> Bob?  Except where direct lineal ancestry can be determined, I am
> against it.  But I imagine you'll call me a liar about this too.  As if
> you have any way of knowing. 



	You PC clones keep insisting that a whole population that has lived and
been educated under your brain-dead tyranny has to be psychic to know
what you're thinking.  What you have to say is said over and over and
over and over at public expense.
	We know you. 


 
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    In your duets with others accusing the National Alliance of being
> >Nazi, you never dsitance yourself from them, so one must assume you
> >agree that it is a Nazi organization.  I know the only reason a
> >left-wing social democrat is not a communist is because he does not
> >favor totalitariansim, and you claimed you knew the same thing about
> >racists versus Nazis, but I still have seen no sign of it whatsoever.
> 
> I'm not quite sure I follow you here, Bob.  Are you saying that the
> only thing of note about the National Alliance is its racism?  Are
> you saying that it does not otherwise have a totalitarian agenda?
> I know a lot of people who call organisations like the National
> Alliance and the Aryan Nations "Nazi" organisations.  Others use
> the term "neo-Nazi".  I've heard people say that there is no need
> to call them "neo-" since the only difference is that Hitler ain't
> head of the group any more.  I frankly don't think the name matters.
> It is the content.  So are you saying that the National Alliance
> is just like any other political party except for its racist platform?
> 
> >> So you are calling me a liar.
> 
> >       That assumes that a totally Politically Correct clone like you
> >understands that what she says is not the truth.  To you, this is The
> >Truth.
> 
> Oh, I see.  You're calling me an idiot.  You are claiming that I don't
> know enough about problematic archaeological contexts, skeletal
> identification, and radiometric dating to have a sense of when caution
> should be exercised in evaluating partial evidence.  So what do you
> know about these things, Bob, that leads you to think you can judge
> this better than me?  Did you study that in graduate economics
> seminars, Bob?  Or while you were writing your great "theoretical"
> contributions, did you do some human osteology on the side, maybe
> make decisions about which samples to submit for radiocarbon dating
> and then interpret the dates when you got them back from the lab?
> Have you followed the literature on forensic skeletal identification,
> Bob?
> 
> [...]
> 
> >       You PC clones keep insisting that a whole population that has lived and
> >been educated under your brain-dead tyranny has to be psychic to know
> >what you're thinking.  What you have to say is said over and over and
> >over and over at public expense.
> >       We know you.
> 
> Sure you do, Bob.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


	You can jargon yourself blue, but the simple fact is that in every case
you always come down on  the Poltiically Correct side in every
discussion.   Your pattern is in perfect accord with your training.
	That's pitiful.


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> William Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Laura Finsten wrote:
> > >
> > > William Wilson  wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > >But the fact is races are subspecies and not species thus
> > > >they are not entirely distinct one from the other.  Whites can be grouped
> > > >and identified only in the realm of probabilities.  Whites differ from other
> > > >races in degree and not necessarily in kind. There's not enough room here to
> > > >catalog all of these differences so I would suggest reading J.P. Rushton's
> > > >Race, Evolution and Behavior for in depth detail (but they include
> > > >intelligence, health, tendencies to violence, testosterone sensitivity, etc.).
> > >
> > > Yeah, and such scientifically collected data as how far adolescent males
> > > can ejaculate, by asking kids at the Toronto Eaton Centre to fill in a
> > > questionnaire, or how large penises are by taking "data" from a piece
> > > of late 19th century French pornography.
> > >
> >
> > [Ms. Finsten, thank you for bringing up this issue which so freely finds
> > its way, so often without obstruction or contradiction, into print and the
> > Internet.  The following comes from the Pioneer Fund website . . .]
> >
> > False Charge #7: Dr. Philippe Rushton, who was funded by Pioneer,
> > equates penis size (or gonad size) to intelligence, and he stands
> > in shopping malls asking men how far they can ejaculate.
> >
> > These falsehoods, which are childish attempts at ridicule, have been
> > repeated in several variations. Professor Rushton is a Guggenheim
> > Fellow, holds two doctorates from the University of London, and is
> > the author of five books and about 150 articles in scholarly
> > publications. In his book Race, Evolution and Behavior Rushton
> > considers over 60 variables in which Orientals, whites and blacks
> > always rank in the same order, notably including brain size and
> > intelligence. In a chapter on gamete production and sexual behavior,
> > Rushton gives official data on differences in condom size (used for
> > the prevention of AIDS) as determined by both the World Health
> > Organization and the United Nations International Organization for
> > Standardization. He merely recites the available statistics, taking
> > only about 2 pages for this purpose out of the 334 pages in the book.
> > This might be compared to the 34 pages on racial differences in brain
> > size and intelligence. He did not question men in a shopping mall, as
> > falsely claimed. When one reads in the media that Rushton is obsessed
> > with peni, one might fairly ask whether the dishonest writer himself is
> > not the one so obsessed.
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving!
> > Wm. Wilson


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CSKBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote:
> 
> I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to argue with either
> Bobby Whitaker or Brian Smith.  Neither one has any intention of answering
> any questions seriously.  They simply label anyone who disagrees with the
> race traitors (Smith) or PC clones (Whitaker) and refuse to address their
> real points.  Hardly surprising, but sad.  They realize that their
> disgusting ideology can't survive the light of real debate, so they hide
> under the rocks of half-truths and lies.  Rather pitiful.
> 
> But still, I'll try one more time.
> 
> The idea of race.  What is this thing race you speak of?  Is it skin tone?
> But didn't the human race originate in Africa, and its only the movement to
> northern sun-starved climates that turned some of us (like me) pale.  What
> does that skin color adaptation have to do with making pale people better/
> smarter, whatever, than everyone else.  And how do you explain Indians
> (in India) who have caucasoid features but skin ranging from light to very
> dark brown?

	Standard clone statement I've answered many, many times.  I will repeat
the same reply for you as for the other clones, and I'll keep repeating
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