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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: HITLER'S FOLLOWERS
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 01:23:35 -0400
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
> >       To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history
> > consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin
> > naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of
> > heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was
> > far left, os how could they be related?
> 
> Labels like 'right' and 'left' are just classificatory devices. Lenin's
> New Economic plan ('One step backward in order to ge two steps forward')
> in the early 1920s gave tacit recognition to the fact that capitalism was
> more efficient and better able to serve the nascent Soviet Union than his
> hastily thrown together 'socialism'.


   I took a graduate course in Soviet Economics under Warren Nutter, one
of the leading experts in the field in the 1960's, so i am not entirely
unaware of the NEP.  It was, as you said, a temporary measure in an
emergency.  I don't see how it matters. 


 Indeed, on the scale of left to
> right, Lenin is very much a pragmatic, transitional figure to Stalin, the
> person who bears primary responsibility for the Soviet Union we all came
> to know and love ;-)

   This idea that Lenin was a pragmatic angel and Stalin the only real
figure of evil in the USSR is an old Politically Correct fable. 
Solzhenitsyn even believe in it, but, if you read his *Gulag
Archipelago*, you will see how he got over it with the facts.




 Hitler, on the other hand, named his party the
> National Socialist Party, and both monolithism and uniformity of thought
> and action, the kind of values many people associate with communism, were
> essential elements of his poltiics ('Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!').
> 
> >       But anyone with an education which includes history has
> > no trouble with it.
> >       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He
> > advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe,
> > and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he
> > lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open
>   *****************
> > society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
> 
> You certainly reveal a poor knowledge of history if you state such
> foolishness for all the word to read. Marx spent time doing research in
> London, but he never, ever, lived in the United States.

   For the third time, I will explain to you people who seem so
astonished that I could makje a factual error: Marx wrote for Greeley's
New York Tribune from 1851 to 1862, so I mistakenly thought he lived in
the US.  If you read the context, it's a very minor point.
    You don't seem to be able to deal with general ideas, so you
lecture.  This may impress the people you deal with, but not the people
I am speaking to and for.




> 
> While one might regard Marx's *Communist Manifesto* as a writing
> advocating class revolution in Europe, it is not typical of his writings.
> Marx was a political economist strongly influenced by Hegelian dialectic.
> Thus, what is arguably  his most important writing, *Das Kapital*, is a
> minute examination of economic realtions, their structure, and dynamics in
> societies. His compatriot, Friedrich Engels, Marx's central ideas into the
> theory known as "Dialectal Materialism". This is not, however, a
> prediction of class revolution in the sense you are implying, but rather,
> it was offered as a universal model of how contradictions inherent in one
> specific economic structure are resolved in the dynamic movement to the
> next one, which, too, will have contradictions. The work of Marx and
> Engels is not the heady stuff that rouses people to act. It is dry,
> academic writing aimed at elaborating a viable theory of the interaction
> between various patterns of economic relations and the societies that they
> serve.

I know.  Who cares?


> 
> >        For most literate people, this is belaboring the
> > obvious.
> 
> I don't like to dump on you more than I have to, Mr. Whitaker, but you are
> making it quite clear that you are writing about something you really
> don't know very much about.

      Oh, please, please don't worry yourself to death.  If you had read
what you snipped, you would find this was a very minor point in a
general discussion.  Your little lecture does not impress me at all. 



> SNIP
    So you've joined the clones in this censorship business.  Since it
is easier to leave quotes in than to take them out,  there must be a
reason for this snipping.  Since people can read and scan and they can
easily see what you have added versus what was already there, there must
be reason you do all that snipping.
    By definition, a Politically Correct person is a compulsive censor. 
Heresy must be minimized, right?




> 
> >         You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near
> > the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the
> > opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very
> > free with the label Communist.
> 
> On the level of street and bar room politics, yes. But people who take
> their politics seriously don't bandy these words about so loosely. What is
> Bill Clinton model 1996? What about model 1992? How does Bob Dole stack
> up? And what about Colin Powell? The ideological differences exist, but
> are words such as 'left', 'right', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'fascist',
> 'communist' appropriate to depict them accurately? Only of you're Joseph
> McCarthy.
> 
> >          This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies
> > itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
> >          So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin.
> >   In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
> >          The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that
> > the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with
> > Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict
> > that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period
> > would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an
> > excuse for suppressing all opposition.
> 
> The Soviet Union, which practiced ethnic dilution, genocide, and mass
> deportations in its efforts to Russify the territories which had come
> under Soviet rule was doing precisely the same thing Hitler was
> ('Lebensraum', 'Tod den Untermenschen!', 'Raus mit den Juden!') and a hell
> of lot more effectively. Tyranny and racism/ethnocentrism know no
> political home. We find them worldwide, and we should speak up when we see
> it.
>
   We should speak up when we see totalitariansim, like Hitler, Stalin,
or Political Correctness.  Whether the tytranny is based on an ideology
of income redistribution or racism makes no difference whatsoever.  This
is entirely different from what you said.




> >          If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate
> > followers will be anti-white.
> 
> Hitler was a pro-German ultranationalist. With the possible exception of
> Josef Stalin he did more harm to the White race (at least as I understand
> it, since I define White (no quotes) to include European Jews, Poles,
> Russians, Ukrainians, Turks, and assorted Albainans, Armenians, Bashkirs,
> Vodians, Vepsians, Kurds, Tatars, Gypsies, Ukrainians, Azeris, etc.), all
> of whom suffered inordinately as a consequence of Hitler's actions and
> programs.
> 
> >          Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who
> > opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> >
> 
> Unmitigated crap.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep  1 08:39:01 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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So what did the Politically Correct clones have to say on this
string?   Oddly enough, the clones said exactly waht they say about
everything else.  
   I made the point that Politicall Correctness( and its respectable
conservative echo) says that Hitler was the one big evil in the
twentieth century, and he would have been a good kid if he hadn't been a
racist.  I talked about how Hitler was just one of the vicious
totalitarian echoes inthe century: Lenin's horror followed the Czar's
horror and an echo of Lenin was that Hitler and the Reds managed to
destroy the Weimar Republic and that put Hitler in power.
      I pointed out that just as Hitler on the right qwas a natural
follower of Lenin on the left who naturally followed the Czar ont he
right.   Therefore, the true followers of Hitler, if we learn the lesson
of the twentieth centuiry, would be on the left.  A major legacy of
Hitler which freedom might not survive, for instance, are the Political
Correctness freaks.
   The Political Corretness freaks push the line, at public expense,
that all that caused Hitler was racism and antisemitism.  If Hitler
hadn't been a racist, they say, he would have been a really sweet kid,
and the reaction to the spread of Communism would not have been
fanaticism, but only Love and Truth.
   Hitler could just as well have been any kind of fanatical
anti-Communist, or anyone could have replaced him.  There are plenty of
things the reaction to the panic Lenin's rise caused that could have
produced a Hitler, and none of them were nice.  While they are using the
Holocaust to enforce Political Correctness, the real lesson of this sick
century is completely ignored.
   Political Corrrctness clones don't understnad concepts like this. 
Their only alternative is attack and censorship.  So they chopped up
what I said, screwing up the concepts up that they couldn't understand,
but also as a knee-jerk PC reaction: heresy must be burned.
   Then came the standard stuff, which they put into every string,
without discrimination.
   While this string was going on, Finsten, I'm not sure it was in this
particular string, but it's equally relevant everywhere, said she didn't
like my contributions to the political anthology I put together and
didn't bother to order my other book, and Brown, as always, called me a
liar.
    A note to Finsten and Brown and the other clones: all this
constructive personal criticism  you use can be much better expressed in
the old coutnry saying, "You're ugly, your feet stink, and you don't
love Jesus!" 
    Just as I routinely replace what you think are your subtle
Politically Correct inferences that I am merely Evil and motivated by
Hate with the good old "Whitaker's a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million
Jews", I think I'll use that more fun comment to describe it when you
tell me how awful I am.
    I made a dumbass comment( which just made Karl Marx seem a  lot more
intelligent than he actually was), and the clones -- to whom Karl Marx
is still a truly relevant figure -- hopped on that one paragraph to the
exclusion of all else.
    Good old Holman gave his usual lecture about everything under the
sun but the big concept.   Poor man ain't got a single idea in his head,
but he really is a nice guy.
    But in these talks, I can't say exchanges, I am the winner, because
the people who are worth addressing got over all that clone crap a long
time ago.  The clones' problem is that everything they say and shout has
been shouted and said hundreds of times to everybody who read this, at
taxpayers' expense and in all the media.   So anyone reading this has
either gotten past that crap or is hopeless anyway.
     As I said in my ignored discussion of my decades dealing with
Communism and socialism in the past, these clones wrapped themselves
then in their mantle of sophistocation to hide their silliness then as
now.   They said things like Communism is just an alternative imperfect
system, just like our own.  They said pointing at the machine guns and
the walls  Reds used to nail their people in was just simplistic.
      They said socialism was a  Great Intellectual Concept, and only an
antiintellectual would point out that it is just silly to say that if
the government owns everything, things will run efficiently.  That's
waht they all shouting at me then, and those were the messages the media
carried then and the professors pushed at public expense.  There are
many otehr absolutely ridiculous things that any unclouded mind rejects
when looked at straight at the things these clones have pushed during my
lifetime, all in the name of True Sophistocation, and they were all
shown to be as absurd as they looked once people were crazy enough to
try to put them into practice.
     Yes, Virginia, a million PhD's can be silly asses.  And if what
they pushing is Politically Correct, they almost certainly are being
asses. 
     Immigration and integration are policies meant exclusively for
white majority countries.  Asia is to remain Asiatic, Africa is to
remain black.  The clone's Solution to the Race problem, which they call
race-mixing, is really the Final Solution to the White Problem,
white-mixing.
      Naturally, the clones don't deal with this point at all.  They so
they do the old dance.  I say that by pushing the Final Solution to the
White Problem, the clones are being anti-white whites. 
     You should have seen them!  Their reply was, DUHH!   What's an
anti-white white?
      Naturally, I do not bother to reply to the old DUHH! tactic, so
they started shouting, "You're afraid to answer this deep and profound
question:  WHAT IS AN ANI-WHITE WHITE, WHITAKER?"
      They must have asked that one twenty times, while ignoring my
points, which is the point of the exercise, of course.  I've just been
in this game too long to fall for it.
       When their DUHH! is ignored, theses clones just get nastier and
nastier.  Since I was in hard-ball politics, this hardly tears me up,
but they try.   One of their usual things is to put quotes around
"white" when I am saying that whites did good things or whites should
not be subjected to this genocide.  But when they are saying nasty
things about whites, there are no quotes.  Bad whites to them are real
whites.  Good whites to them are "so-called whites".
     For clones, the white race exists all right, but only to be
vilified.  They then ask me how I dare call them anti-white whites, and
what on earth could those mysterious words refer to anyway?
      But Whitaker is too much of a coward and liar, ie, not fool
enough, to fall for that crap.
      Their latest DUHH! is "How can massive Third World Immigartion
possibly turn white countries brown?"  DUHH!   But they have a big
clincher: only an intellectual coward like me refuses to answer that
profound intellectual question.
       They want to tell me that whites won't be impinged on, because
there wil be some white blood in the brown raceless soup that it is
their live's dream to replace all white populations, so they'r not
actually exactly doing away with whitey.
       It's sort of like telling American whties should be thanked for
taking their women, because it was all just to help perpetuate their
black genes.  I don't think an American black would be stupid enough ot
fall for that,either.



        
Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> Eugene Holman wrote:
> >
> > In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >       To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history
> > > consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin
> > > naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of
> > > heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was
> > > far left, os how could they be related?
> >
> > Labels like 'right' and 'left' are just classificatory devices. Lenin's
> > New Economic plan ('One step backward in order to ge two steps forward')
> > in the early 1920s gave tacit recognition to the fact that capitalism was
> > more efficient and better able to serve the nascent Soviet Union than his
> > hastily thrown together 'socialism'.
> 
>    I took a graduate course in Soviet Economics under Warren Nutter, one
> of the leading experts in the field in the 1960's, so i am not entirely
> unaware of the NEP.  It was, as you said, a temporary measure in an
> emergency.  I don't see how it matters.
> 
>  Indeed, on the scale of left to
> > right, Lenin is very much a pragmatic, transitional figure to Stalin, the
> > person who bears primary responsibility for the Soviet Union we all came
> > to know and love ;-)
> 
>    This idea that Lenin was a pragmatic angel and Stalin the only real
> figure of evil in the USSR is an old Politically Correct fable.
> Solzhenitsyn even believe in it, but, if you read his *Gulag
> Archipelago*, you will see how he got over it with the facts.
> 
>  Hitler, on the other hand, named his party the
> > National Socialist Party, and both monolithism and uniformity of thought
> > and action, the kind of values many people associate with communism, were
> > essential elements of his poltiics ('Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!').
> >
> > >       But anyone with an education which includes history has
> > > no trouble with it.
> > >       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He
> > > advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe,
> > > and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he
> > > lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open
> >   *****************
> > > society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
> >
> > You certainly reveal a poor knowledge of history if you state such
> > foolishness for all the word to read. Marx spent time doing research in
> > London, but he never, ever, lived in the United States.
> 
>    For the third time, I will explain to you people who seem so
> astonished that I could makje a factual error: Marx wrote for Greeley's
> New York Tribune from 1851 to 1862, so I mistakenly thought he lived in
> the US.  If you read the context, it's a very minor point.
>     You don't seem to be able to deal with general ideas, so you
> lecture.  This may impress the people you deal with, but not the people
> I am speaking to and for.
> 
> >
> > While one might regard Marx's *Communist Manifesto* as a writing
> > advocating class revolution in Europe, it is not typical of his writings.
> > Marx was a political economist strongly influenced by Hegelian dialectic.
> > Thus, what is arguably  his most important writing, *Das Kapital*, is a
> > minute examination of economic realtions, their structure, and dynamics in
> > societies. His compatriot, Friedrich Engels, Marx's central ideas into the
> > theory known as "Dialectal Materialism". This is not, however, a
> > prediction of class revolution in the sense you are implying, but rather,
> > it was offered as a universal model of how contradictions inherent in one
> > specific economic structure are resolved in the dynamic movement to the
> > next one, which, too, will have contradictions. The work of Marx and
> > Engels is not the heady stuff that rouses people to act. It is dry,
> > academic writing aimed at elaborating a viable theory of the interaction
> > between various patterns of economic relations and the societies that they
> > serve.
> 
> I know.  Who cares?
> 
> >
> > >        For most literate people, this is belaboring the
> > > obvious.
> >
> > I don't like to dump on you more than I have to, Mr. Whitaker, but you are
> > making it quite clear that you are writing about something you really
> > don't know very much about.
> 
>       Oh, please, please don't worry yourself to death.  If you had read
> what you snipped, you would find this was a very minor point in a
> general discussion.  Your little lecture does not impress me at all.
> 
> > SNIP
>     So you've joined the clones in this censorship business.  Since it
> is easier to leave quotes in than to take them out,  there must be a
> reason for this snipping.  Since people can read and scan and they can
> easily see what you have added versus what was already there, there must
> be reason you do all that snipping.
>     By definition, a Politically Correct person is a compulsive censor.
> Heresy must be minimized, right?
> 
> >
> > >         You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near
> > > the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the
> > > opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very
> > > free with the label Communist.
> >
> > On the level of street and bar room politics, yes. But people who take
> > their politics seriously don't bandy these words about so loosely. What is
> > Bill Clinton model 1996? What about model 1992? How does Bob Dole stack
> > up? And what about Colin Powell? The ideological differences exist, but
> > are words such as 'left', 'right', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'fascist',
> > 'communist' appropriate to depict them accurately? Only of you're Joseph
> > McCarthy.
> >
> > >          This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies
> > > itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
> > >          So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin.
> > >   In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
> > >          The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that
> > > the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with
> > > Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict
> > > that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period
> > > would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an
> > > excuse for suppressing all opposition.
> >
> > The Soviet Union, which practiced ethnic dilution, genocide, and mass
> > deportations in its efforts to Russify the territories which had come
> > under Soviet rule was doing precisely the same thing Hitler was
> > ('Lebensraum', 'Tod den Untermenschen!', 'Raus mit den Juden!') and a hell
> > of lot more effectively. Tyranny and racism/ethnocentrism know no
> > political home. We find them worldwide, and we should speak up when we see
> > it.
> >
>    We should speak up when we see totalitariansim, like Hitler, Stalin,
> or Political Correctness.  Whether the tytranny is based on an ideology
> of income redistribution or racism makes no difference whatsoever.  This
> is entirely different from what you said.
> 
> > >          If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate
> > > followers will be anti-white.
> >
> > Hitler was a pro-German ultranationalist. With the possible exception of
> > Josef Stalin he did more harm to the White race (at least as I understand
> > it, since I define White (no quotes) to include European Jews, Poles,
> > Russians, Ukrainians, Turks, and assorted Albainans, Armenians, Bashkirs,
> > Vodians, Vepsians, Kurds, Tatars, Gypsies, Ukrainians, Azeris, etc.), all
> > of whom suffered inordinately as a consequence of Hitler's actions and
> > programs.
> >
> > >          Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who
> > > opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> > >
> >
> > Unmitigated crap.
> >
> > We have spoken.
> >
> > Eugene the Curly-headed
> > King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> > Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep  1 09:39:33 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
> >       To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history
> > consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin
> > naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of
> > heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was
> > far left, os how could they be related?
> 
> Labels like 'right' and 'left' are just classificatory devices. Lenin's
> New Economic plan ('One step backward in order to ge two steps forward')
> in the early 1920s gave tacit recognition to the fact that capitalism was
> more efficient and better able to serve the nascent Soviet Union than his
> hastily thrown together 'socialism'.


   I took a graduate course in Soviet Economics under Warren Nutter, one
of the leading experts in the field in the 1960's, so i am not entirely
unaware of the NEP.  It was, as you said, a temporary measure in an
emergency.  I don't see how it matters. 


 Indeed, on the scale of left to
> right, Lenin is very much a pragmatic, transitional figure to Stalin, the
> person who bears primary responsibility for the Soviet Union we all came
> to know and love ;-)

   This idea that Lenin was a pragmatic angel and Stalin the only real
figure of evil in the USSR is an old Politically Correct fable. 
Solzhenitsyn even believe in it, but, if you read his *Gulag
Archipelago*, you will see how he got over it with the facts.




 Hitler, on the other hand, named his party the
> National Socialist Party, and both monolithism and uniformity of thought
> and action, the kind of values many people associate with communism, were
> essential elements of his poltiics ('Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!').
> 
> >       But anyone with an education which includes history has
> > no trouble with it.
> >       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He
> > advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe,
> > and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he
> > lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open
>   *****************
> > society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
> 
> You certainly reveal a poor knowledge of history if you state such
> foolishness for all the word to read. Marx spent time doing research in
> London, but he never, ever, lived in the United States.

   For the third time, I will explain to you people who seem so
astonished that I could makje a factual error: Marx wrote for Greeley's
New York Tribune from 1851 to 1862, so I mistakenly thought he lived in
the US.  If you read the context, it's a very minor point.
    You don't seem to be able to deal with general ideas, so you
lecture.  This may impress the people you deal with, but not the people
I am speaking to and for.




> 
> While one might regard Marx's *Communist Manifesto* as a writing
> advocating class revolution in Europe, it is not typical of his writings.
> Marx was a political economist strongly influenced by Hegelian dialectic.
> Thus, what is arguably  his most important writing, *Das Kapital*, is a
> minute examination of economic realtions, their structure, and dynamics in
> societies. His compatriot, Friedrich Engels, Marx's central ideas into the
> theory known as "Dialectal Materialism". This is not, however, a
> prediction of class revolution in the sense you are implying, but rather,
> it was offered as a universal model of how contradictions inherent in one
> specific economic structure are resolved in the dynamic movement to the
> next one, which, too, will have contradictions. The work of Marx and
> Engels is not the heady stuff that rouses people to act. It is dry,
> academic writing aimed at elaborating a viable theory of the interaction
> between various patterns of economic relations and the societies that they
> serve.

I know.  Who cares?


> 
> >        For most literate people, this is belaboring the
> > obvious.
> 
> I don't like to dump on you more than I have to, Mr. Whitaker, but you are
> making it quite clear that you are writing about something you really
> don't know very much about.

      Oh, please, please don't worry yourself to death.  If you had read
what you snipped, you would find this was a very minor point in a
general discussion.  Your little lecture does not impress me at all. 



> SNIP
    So you've joined the clones in this censorship business.  Since it
is easier to leave quotes in than to take them out,  there must be a
reason for this snipping.  Since people can read and scan and they can
easily see what you have added versus what was already there, there must
be reason you do all that snipping.
    By definition, a Politically Correct person is a compulsive censor. 
Heresy must be minimized, right?




> 
> >         You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near
> > the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the
> > opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very
> > free with the label Communist.
> 
> On the level of street and bar room politics, yes. But people who take
> their politics seriously don't bandy these words about so loosely. What is
> Bill Clinton model 1996? What about model 1992? How does Bob Dole stack
> up? And what about Colin Powell? The ideological differences exist, but
> are words such as 'left', 'right', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'fascist',
> 'communist' appropriate to depict them accurately? Only of you're Joseph
> McCarthy.
> 
> >          This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies
> > itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
> >          So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin.
> >   In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
> >          The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that
> > the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with
> > Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict
> > that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period
> > would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an
> > excuse for suppressing all opposition.
> 
> The Soviet Union, which practiced ethnic dilution, genocide, and mass
> deportations in its efforts to Russify the territories which had come
> under Soviet rule was doing precisely the same thing Hitler was
> ('Lebensraum', 'Tod den Untermenschen!', 'Raus mit den Juden!') and a hell
> of lot more effectively. Tyranny and racism/ethnocentrism know no
> political home. We find them worldwide, and we should speak up when we see
> it.
>
   We should speak up when we see totalitariansim, like Hitler, Stalin,
or Political Correctness.  Whether the tytranny is based on an ideology
of income redistribution or racism makes no difference whatsoever.  This
is entirely different from what you said.




> >          If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate
> > followers will be anti-white.
> 
> Hitler was a pro-German ultranationalist. With the possible exception of
> Josef Stalin he did more harm to the White race (at least as I understand
> it, since I define White (no quotes) to include European Jews, Poles,
> Russians, Ukrainians, Turks, and assorted Albainans, Armenians, Bashkirs,
> Vodians, Vepsians, Kurds, Tatars, Gypsies, Ukrainians, Azeris, etc.), all
> of whom suffered inordinately as a consequence of Hitler's actions and
> programs.
> 
> >          Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who
> > opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> >
> 
> Unmitigated crap.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep  1 09:39:34 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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So what did the Politically Correct clones have to say on this
string?   Oddly enough, the clones said exactly waht they say about
everything else.  
   I made the point that Politicall Correctness( and its respectable
conservative echo) says that Hitler was the one big evil in the
twentieth century, and he would have been a good kid if he hadn't been a
racist.  I talked about how Hitler was just one of the vicious
totalitarian echoes inthe century: Lenin's horror followed the Czar's
horror and an echo of Lenin was that Hitler and the Reds managed to
destroy the Weimar Republic and that put Hitler in power.
      I pointed out that just as Hitler on the right qwas a natural
follower of Lenin on the left who naturally followed the Czar ont he
right.   Therefore, the true followers of Hitler, if we learn the lesson
of the twentieth centuiry, would be on the left.  A major legacy of
Hitler which freedom might not survive, for instance, are the Political
Correctness freaks.
   The Political Corretness freaks push the line, at public expense,
that all that caused Hitler was racism and antisemitism.  If Hitler
hadn't been a racist, they say, he would have been a really sweet kid,
and the reaction to the spread of Communism would not have been
fanaticism, but only Love and Truth.
   Hitler could just as well have been any kind of fanatical
anti-Communist, or anyone could have replaced him.  There are plenty of
things the reaction to the panic Lenin's rise caused that could have
produced a Hitler, and none of them were nice.  While they are using the
Holocaust to enforce Political Correctness, the real lesson of this sick
century is completely ignored.
   Political Corrrctness clones don't understnad concepts like this. 
Their only alternative is attack and censorship.  So they chopped up
what I said, screwing up the concepts up that they couldn't understand,
but also as a knee-jerk PC reaction: heresy must be burned.
   Then came the standard stuff, which they put into every string,
without discrimination.
   While this string was going on, Finsten, I'm not sure it was in this
particular string, but it's equally relevant everywhere, said she didn't
like my contributions to the political anthology I put together and
didn't bother to order my other book, and Brown, as always, called me a
liar.
    A note to Finsten and Brown and the other clones: all this
constructive personal criticism  you use can be much better expressed in
the old coutnry saying, "You're ugly, your feet stink, and you don't
love Jesus!" 
    Just as I routinely replace what you think are your subtle
Politically Correct inferences that I am merely Evil and motivated by
Hate with the good old "Whitaker's a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million
Jews", I think I'll use that more fun comment to describe it when you
tell me how awful I am.
    I made a dumbass comment( which just made Karl Marx seem a  lot more
intelligent than he actually was), and the clones -- to whom Karl Marx
is still a truly relevant figure -- hopped on that one paragraph to the
exclusion of all else.
    Good old Holman gave his usual lecture about everything under the
sun but the big concept.   Poor man ain't got a single idea in his head,
but he really is a nice guy.
    But in these talks, I can't say exchanges, I am the winner, because
the people who are worth addressing got over all that clone crap a long
time ago.  The clones' problem is that everything they say and shout has
been shouted and said hundreds of times to everybody who read this, at
taxpayers' expense and in all the media.   So anyone reading this has
either gotten past that crap or is hopeless anyway.
     As I said in my ignored discussion of my decades dealing with
Communism and socialism in the past, these clones wrapped themselves
then in their mantle of sophistocation to hide their silliness then as
now.   They said things like Communism is just an alternative imperfect
system, just like our own.  They said pointing at the machine guns and
the walls  Reds used to nail their people in was just simplistic.
      They said socialism was a  Great Intellectual Concept, and only an
antiintellectual would point out that it is just silly to say that if
the government owns everything, things will run efficiently.  That's
waht they all shouting at me then, and those were the messages the media
carried then and the professors pushed at public expense.  There are
many otehr absolutely ridiculous things that any unclouded mind rejects
when looked at straight at the things these clones have pushed during my
lifetime, all in the name of True Sophistocation, and they were all
shown to be as absurd as they looked once people were crazy enough to
try to put them into practice.
     Yes, Virginia, a million PhD's can be silly asses.  And if what
they pushing is Politically Correct, they almost certainly are being
asses. 
     Immigration and integration are policies meant exclusively for
white majority countries.  Asia is to remain Asiatic, Africa is to
remain black.  The clone's Solution to the Race problem, which they call
race-mixing, is really the Final Solution to the White Problem,
white-mixing.
      Naturally, the clones don't deal with this point at all.  They so
they do the old dance.  I say that by pushing the Final Solution to the
White Problem, the clones are being anti-white whites. 
     You should have seen them!  Their reply was, DUHH!   What's an
anti-white white?
      Naturally, I do not bother to reply to the old DUHH! tactic, so
they started shouting, "You're afraid to answer this deep and profound
question:  WHAT IS AN ANI-WHITE WHITE, WHITAKER?"
      They must have asked that one twenty times, while ignoring my
points, which is the point of the exercise, of course.  I've just been
in this game too long to fall for it.
       When their DUHH! is ignored, theses clones just get nastier and
nastier.  Since I was in hard-ball politics, this hardly tears me up,
but they try.   One of their usual things is to put quotes around
"white" when I am saying that whites did good things or whites should
not be subjected to this genocide.  But when they are saying nasty
things about whites, there are no quotes.  Bad whites to them are real
whites.  Good whites to them are "so-called whites".
     For clones, the white race exists all right, but only to be
vilified.  They then ask me how I dare call them anti-white whites, and
what on earth could those mysterious words refer to anyway?
      But Whitaker is too much of a coward and liar, ie, not fool
enough, to fall for that crap.
      Their latest DUHH! is "How can massive Third World Immigartion
possibly turn white countries brown?"  DUHH!   But they have a big
clincher: only an intellectual coward like me refuses to answer that
profound intellectual question.
       They want to tell me that whites won't be impinged on, because
there wil be some white blood in the brown raceless soup that it is
their live's dream to replace all white populations, so they'r not
actually exactly doing away with whitey.
       It's sort of like telling American whties should be thanked for
taking their women, because it was all just to help perpetuate their
black genes.  I don't think an American black would be stupid enough ot
fall for that,either.



        
Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> Eugene Holman wrote:
> >
> > In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >       To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history
> > > consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin
> > > naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of
> > > heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was
> > > far left, os how could they be related?
> >
> > Labels like 'right' and 'left' are just classificatory devices. Lenin's
> > New Economic plan ('One step backward in order to ge two steps forward')
> > in the early 1920s gave tacit recognition to the fact that capitalism was
> > more efficient and better able to serve the nascent Soviet Union than his
> > hastily thrown together 'socialism'.
> 
>    I took a graduate course in Soviet Economics under Warren Nutter, one
> of the leading experts in the field in the 1960's, so i am not entirely
> unaware of the NEP.  It was, as you said, a temporary measure in an
> emergency.  I don't see how it matters.
> 
>  Indeed, on the scale of left to
> > right, Lenin is very much a pragmatic, transitional figure to Stalin, the
> > person who bears primary responsibility for the Soviet Union we all came
> > to know and love ;-)
> 
>    This idea that Lenin was a pragmatic angel and Stalin the only real
> figure of evil in the USSR is an old Politically Correct fable.
> Solzhenitsyn even believe in it, but, if you read his *Gulag
> Archipelago*, you will see how he got over it with the facts.
> 
>  Hitler, on the other hand, named his party the
> > National Socialist Party, and both monolithism and uniformity of thought
> > and action, the kind of values many people associate with communism, were
> > essential elements of his poltiics ('Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!').
> >
> > >       But anyone with an education which includes history has
> > > no trouble with it.
> > >       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He
> > > advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe,
> > > and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he
> > > lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open
> >   *****************
> > > society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
> >
> > You certainly reveal a poor knowledge of history if you state such
> > foolishness for all the word to read. Marx spent time doing research in
> > London, but he never, ever, lived in the United States.
> 
>    For the third time, I will explain to you people who seem so
> astonished that I could makje a factual error: Marx wrote for Greeley's
> New York Tribune from 1851 to 1862, so I mistakenly thought he lived in
> the US.  If you read the context, it's a very minor point.
>     You don't seem to be able to deal with general ideas, so you
> lecture.  This may impress the people you deal with, but not the people
> I am speaking to and for.
> 
> >
> > While one might regard Marx's *Communist Manifesto* as a writing
> > advocating class revolution in Europe, it is not typical of his writings.
> > Marx was a political economist strongly influenced by Hegelian dialectic.
> > Thus, what is arguably  his most important writing, *Das Kapital*, is a
> > minute examination of economic realtions, their structure, and dynamics in
> > societies. His compatriot, Friedrich Engels, Marx's central ideas into the
> > theory known as "Dialectal Materialism". This is not, however, a
> > prediction of class revolution in the sense you are implying, but rather,
> > it was offered as a universal model of how contradictions inherent in one
> > specific economic structure are resolved in the dynamic movement to the
> > next one, which, too, will have contradictions. The work of Marx and
> > Engels is not the heady stuff that rouses people to act. It is dry,
> > academic writing aimed at elaborating a viable theory of the interaction
> > between various patterns of economic relations and the societies that they
> > serve.
> 
> I know.  Who cares?
> 
> >
> > >        For most literate people, this is belaboring the
> > > obvious.
> >
> > I don't like to dump on you more than I have to, Mr. Whitaker, but you are
> > making it quite clear that you are writing about something you really
> > don't know very much about.
> 
>       Oh, please, please don't worry yourself to death.  If you had read
> what you snipped, you would find this was a very minor point in a
> general discussion.  Your little lecture does not impress me at all.
> 
> > SNIP
>     So you've joined the clones in this censorship business.  Since it
> is easier to leave quotes in than to take them out,  there must be a
> reason for this snipping.  Since people can read and scan and they can
> easily see what you have added versus what was already there, there must
> be reason you do all that snipping.
>     By definition, a Politically Correct person is a compulsive censor.
> Heresy must be minimized, right?
> 
> >
> > >         You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near
> > > the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the
> > > opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very
> > > free with the label Communist.
> >
> > On the level of street and bar room politics, yes. But people who take
> > their politics seriously don't bandy these words about so loosely. What is
> > Bill Clinton model 1996? What about model 1992? How does Bob Dole stack
> > up? And what about Colin Powell? The ideological differences exist, but
> > are words such as 'left', 'right', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'fascist',
> > 'communist' appropriate to depict them accurately? Only of you're Joseph
> > McCarthy.
> >
> > >          This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies
> > > itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
> > >          So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin.
> > >   In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
> > >          The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that
> > > the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with
> > > Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict
> > > that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period
> > > would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an
> > > excuse for suppressing all opposition.
> >
> > The Soviet Union, which practiced ethnic dilution, genocide, and mass
> > deportations in its efforts to Russify the territories which had come
> > under Soviet rule was doing precisely the same thing Hitler was
> > ('Lebensraum', 'Tod den Untermenschen!', 'Raus mit den Juden!') and a hell
> > of lot more effectively. Tyranny and racism/ethnocentrism know no
> > political home. We find them worldwide, and we should speak up when we see
> > it.
> >
>    We should speak up when we see totalitariansim, like Hitler, Stalin,
> or Political Correctness.  Whether the tytranny is based on an ideology
> of income redistribution or racism makes no difference whatsoever.  This
> is entirely different from what you said.
> 
> > >          If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate
> > > followers will be anti-white.
> >
> > Hitler was a pro-German ultranationalist. With the possible exception of
> > Josef Stalin he did more harm to the White race (at least as I understand
> > it, since I define White (no quotes) to include European Jews, Poles,
> > Russians, Ukrainians, Turks, and assorted Albainans, Armenians, Bashkirs,
> > Vodians, Vepsians, Kurds, Tatars, Gypsies, Ukrainians, Azeris, etc.), all
> > of whom suffered inordinately as a consequence of Hitler's actions and
> > programs.
> >
> > >          Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who
> > > opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> > >
> >
> > Unmitigated crap.
> >
> > We have spoken.
> >
> > Eugene the Curly-headed
> > King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> > Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep  1 09:45:59 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
>  wrote:
> 
> >       To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history
> > consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin
> > naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of
> > heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was
> > far left, os how could they be related?
> 
> Labels like 'right' and 'left' are just classificatory devices. Lenin's
> New Economic plan ('One step backward in order to ge two steps forward')
> in the early 1920s gave tacit recognition to the fact that capitalism was
> more efficient and better able to serve the nascent Soviet Union than his
> hastily thrown together 'socialism'.


   I took a graduate course in Soviet Economics under Warren Nutter, one
of the leading experts in the field in the 1960's, so i am not entirely
unaware of the NEP.  It was, as you said, a temporary measure in an
emergency.  I don't see how it matters. 


 Indeed, on the scale of left to
> right, Lenin is very much a pragmatic, transitional figure to Stalin, the
> person who bears primary responsibility for the Soviet Union we all came
> to know and love ;-)

   This idea that Lenin was a pragmatic angel and Stalin the only real
figure of evil in the USSR is an old Politically Correct fable. 
Solzhenitsyn even believe in it, but, if you read his *Gulag
Archipelago*, you will see how he got over it with the facts.




 Hitler, on the other hand, named his party the
> National Socialist Party, and both monolithism and uniformity of thought
> and action, the kind of values many people associate with communism, were
> essential elements of his poltiics ('Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!').
> 
> >       But anyone with an education which includes history has
> > no trouble with it.
> >       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He
> > advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe,
> > and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he
> > lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open
>   *****************
> > society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
> 
> You certainly reveal a poor knowledge of history if you state such
> foolishness for all the word to read. Marx spent time doing research in
> London, but he never, ever, lived in the United States.

   For the third time, I will explain to you people who seem so
astonished that I could makje a factual error: Marx wrote for Greeley's
New York Tribune from 1851 to 1862, so I mistakenly thought he lived in
the US.  If you read the context, it's a very minor point.
    You don't seem to be able to deal with general ideas, so you
lecture.  This may impress the people you deal with, but not the people
I am speaking to and for.




> 
> While one might regard Marx's *Communist Manifesto* as a writing
> advocating class revolution in Europe, it is not typical of his writings.
> Marx was a political economist strongly influenced by Hegelian dialectic.
> Thus, what is arguably  his most important writing, *Das Kapital*, is a
> minute examination of economic realtions, their structure, and dynamics in
> societies. His compatriot, Friedrich Engels, Marx's central ideas into the
> theory known as "Dialectal Materialism". This is not, however, a
> prediction of class revolution in the sense you are implying, but rather,
> it was offered as a universal model of how contradictions inherent in one
> specific economic structure are resolved in the dynamic movement to the
> next one, which, too, will have contradictions. The work of Marx and
> Engels is not the heady stuff that rouses people to act. It is dry,
> academic writing aimed at elaborating a viable theory of the interaction
> between various patterns of economic relations and the societies that they
> serve.

I know.  Who cares?


> 
> >        For most literate people, this is belaboring the
> > obvious.
> 
> I don't like to dump on you more than I have to, Mr. Whitaker, but you are
> making it quite clear that you are writing about something you really
> don't know very much about.

      Oh, please, please don't worry yourself to death.  If you had read
what you snipped, you would find this was a very minor point in a
general discussion.  Your little lecture does not impress me at all. 



> SNIP
    So you've joined the clones in this censorship business.  Since it
is easier to leave quotes in than to take them out,  there must be a
reason for this snipping.  Since people can read and scan and they can
easily see what you have added versus what was already there, there must
be reason you do all that snipping.
    By definition, a Politically Correct person is a compulsive censor. 
Heresy must be minimized, right?




> 
> >         You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near
> > the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the
> > opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very
> > free with the label Communist.
> 
> On the level of street and bar room politics, yes. But people who take
> their politics seriously don't bandy these words about so loosely. What is
> Bill Clinton model 1996? What about model 1992? How does Bob Dole stack
> up? And what about Colin Powell? The ideological differences exist, but
> are words such as 'left', 'right', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'fascist',
> 'communist' appropriate to depict them accurately? Only of you're Joseph
> McCarthy.
> 
> >          This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies
> > itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
> >          So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin.
> >   In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
> >          The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that
> > the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with
> > Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict
> > that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period
> > would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an
> > excuse for suppressing all opposition.
> 
> The Soviet Union, which practiced ethnic dilution, genocide, and mass
> deportations in its efforts to Russify the territories which had come
> under Soviet rule was doing precisely the same thing Hitler was
> ('Lebensraum', 'Tod den Untermenschen!', 'Raus mit den Juden!') and a hell
> of lot more effectively. Tyranny and racism/ethnocentrism know no
> political home. We find them worldwide, and we should speak up when we see
> it.
>
   We should speak up when we see totalitariansim, like Hitler, Stalin,
or Political Correctness.  Whether the tytranny is based on an ideology
of income redistribution or racism makes no difference whatsoever.  This
is entirely different from what you said.




> >          If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate
> > followers will be anti-white.
> 
> Hitler was a pro-German ultranationalist. With the possible exception of
> Josef Stalin he did more harm to the White race (at least as I understand
> it, since I define White (no quotes) to include European Jews, Poles,
> Russians, Ukrainians, Turks, and assorted Albainans, Armenians, Bashkirs,
> Vodians, Vepsians, Kurds, Tatars, Gypsies, Ukrainians, Azeris, etc.), all
> of whom suffered inordinately as a consequence of Hitler's actions and
> programs.
> 
> >          Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who
> > opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> >
> 
> Unmitigated crap.
> 
> We have spoken.
> 
> Eugene the Curly-headed
> King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep  1 09:46:04 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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So what did the Politically Correct clones have to say on this
string?   Oddly enough, the clones said exactly waht they say about
everything else.  
   I made the point that Politicall Correctness( and its respectable
conservative echo) says that Hitler was the one big evil in the
twentieth century, and he would have been a good kid if he hadn't been a
racist.  I talked about how Hitler was just one of the vicious
totalitarian echoes inthe century: Lenin's horror followed the Czar's
horror and an echo of Lenin was that Hitler and the Reds managed to
destroy the Weimar Republic and that put Hitler in power.
      I pointed out that just as Hitler on the right qwas a natural
follower of Lenin on the left who naturally followed the Czar ont he
right.   Therefore, the true followers of Hitler, if we learn the lesson
of the twentieth centuiry, would be on the left.  A major legacy of
Hitler which freedom might not survive, for instance, are the Political
Correctness freaks.
   The Political Corretness freaks push the line, at public expense,
that all that caused Hitler was racism and antisemitism.  If Hitler
hadn't been a racist, they say, he would have been a really sweet kid,
and the reaction to the spread of Communism would not have been
fanaticism, but only Love and Truth.
   Hitler could just as well have been any kind of fanatical
anti-Communist, or anyone could have replaced him.  There are plenty of
things the reaction to the panic Lenin's rise caused that could have
produced a Hitler, and none of them were nice.  While they are using the
Holocaust to enforce Political Correctness, the real lesson of this sick
century is completely ignored.
   Political Corrrctness clones don't understnad concepts like this. 
Their only alternative is attack and censorship.  So they chopped up
what I said, screwing up the concepts up that they couldn't understand,
but also as a knee-jerk PC reaction: heresy must be burned.
   Then came the standard stuff, which they put into every string,
without discrimination.
   While this string was going on, Finsten, I'm not sure it was in this
particular string, but it's equally relevant everywhere, said she didn't
like my contributions to the political anthology I put together and
didn't bother to order my other book, and Brown, as always, called me a
liar.
    A note to Finsten and Brown and the other clones: all this
constructive personal criticism  you use can be much better expressed in
the old coutnry saying, "You're ugly, your feet stink, and you don't
love Jesus!" 
    Just as I routinely replace what you think are your subtle
Politically Correct inferences that I am merely Evil and motivated by
Hate with the good old "Whitaker's a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million
Jews", I think I'll use that more fun comment to describe it when you
tell me how awful I am.
    I made a dumbass comment( which just made Karl Marx seem a  lot more
intelligent than he actually was), and the clones -- to whom Karl Marx
is still a truly relevant figure -- hopped on that one paragraph to the
exclusion of all else.
    Good old Holman gave his usual lecture about everything under the
sun but the big concept.   Poor man ain't got a single idea in his head,
but he really is a nice guy.
    But in these talks, I can't say exchanges, I am the winner, because
the people who are worth addressing got over all that clone crap a long
time ago.  The clones' problem is that everything they say and shout has
been shouted and said hundreds of times to everybody who read this, at
taxpayers' expense and in all the media.   So anyone reading this has
either gotten past that crap or is hopeless anyway.
     As I said in my ignored discussion of my decades dealing with
Communism and socialism in the past, these clones wrapped themselves
then in their mantle of sophistocation to hide their silliness then as
now.   They said things like Communism is just an alternative imperfect
system, just like our own.  They said pointing at the machine guns and
the walls  Reds used to nail their people in was just simplistic.
      They said socialism was a  Great Intellectual Concept, and only an
antiintellectual would point out that it is just silly to say that if
the government owns everything, things will run efficiently.  That's
waht they all shouting at me then, and those were the messages the media
carried then and the professors pushed at public expense.  There are
many otehr absolutely ridiculous things that any unclouded mind rejects
when looked at straight at the things these clones have pushed during my
lifetime, all in the name of True Sophistocation, and they were all
shown to be as absurd as they looked once people were crazy enough to
try to put them into practice.
     Yes, Virginia, a million PhD's can be silly asses.  And if what
they pushing is Politically Correct, they almost certainly are being
asses. 
     Immigration and integration are policies meant exclusively for
white majority countries.  Asia is to remain Asiatic, Africa is to
remain black.  The clone's Solution to the Race problem, which they call
race-mixing, is really the Final Solution to the White Problem,
white-mixing.
      Naturally, the clones don't deal with this point at all.  They so
they do the old dance.  I say that by pushing the Final Solution to the
White Problem, the clones are being anti-white whites. 
     You should have seen them!  Their reply was, DUHH!   What's an
anti-white white?
      Naturally, I do not bother to reply to the old DUHH! tactic, so
they started shouting, "You're afraid to answer this deep and profound
question:  WHAT IS AN ANI-WHITE WHITE, WHITAKER?"
      They must have asked that one twenty times, while ignoring my
points, which is the point of the exercise, of course.  I've just been
in this game too long to fall for it.
       When their DUHH! is ignored, theses clones just get nastier and
nastier.  Since I was in hard-ball politics, this hardly tears me up,
but they try.   One of their usual things is to put quotes around
"white" when I am saying that whites did good things or whites should
not be subjected to this genocide.  But when they are saying nasty
things about whites, there are no quotes.  Bad whites to them are real
whites.  Good whites to them are "so-called whites".
     For clones, the white race exists all right, but only to be
vilified.  They then ask me how I dare call them anti-white whites, and
what on earth could those mysterious words refer to anyway?
      But Whitaker is too much of a coward and liar, ie, not fool
enough, to fall for that crap.
      Their latest DUHH! is "How can massive Third World Immigartion
possibly turn white countries brown?"  DUHH!   But they have a big
clincher: only an intellectual coward like me refuses to answer that
profound intellectual question.
       They want to tell me that whites won't be impinged on, because
there wil be some white blood in the brown raceless soup that it is
their live's dream to replace all white populations, so they'r not
actually exactly doing away with whitey.
       It's sort of like telling American whties should be thanked for
taking their women, because it was all just to help perpetuate their
black genes.  I don't think an American black would be stupid enough ot
fall for that,either.



        
Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> Eugene Holman wrote:
> >
> > In article <4vtgpl$a4e@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >       To a clone, or to anyone else whose knowledge of history
> > > consists of a Politically Correct drill, the idea that Lenin
> > > naturally followed the Czar seems like the beginnings of
> > > heresy.   After all, the Czar was on the right, and Lenin was
> > > far left, os how could they be related?
> >
> > Labels like 'right' and 'left' are just classificatory devices. Lenin's
> > New Economic plan ('One step backward in order to ge two steps forward')
> > in the early 1920s gave tacit recognition to the fact that capitalism was
> > more efficient and better able to serve the nascent Soviet Union than his
> > hastily thrown together 'socialism'.
> 
>    I took a graduate course in Soviet Economics under Warren Nutter, one
> of the leading experts in the field in the 1960's, so i am not entirely
> unaware of the NEP.  It was, as you said, a temporary measure in an
> emergency.  I don't see how it matters.
> 
>  Indeed, on the scale of left to
> > right, Lenin is very much a pragmatic, transitional figure to Stalin, the
> > person who bears primary responsibility for the Soviet Union we all came
> > to know and love ;-)
> 
>    This idea that Lenin was a pragmatic angel and Stalin the only real
> figure of evil in the USSR is an old Politically Correct fable.
> Solzhenitsyn even believe in it, but, if you read his *Gulag
> Archipelago*, you will see how he got over it with the facts.
> 
>  Hitler, on the other hand, named his party the
> > National Socialist Party, and both monolithism and uniformity of thought
> > and action, the kind of values many people associate with communism, were
> > essential elements of his poltiics ('Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!').
> >
> > >       But anyone with an education which includes history has
> > > no trouble with it.
> > >       Even Marx understood this simple lesson well enough.   He
> > > advocated and predicted violent class revolution for Europe,
> > > and certainly for the even more reactionary Russia, but he
> > > lived in America, and he and Engels agreed that its open
> >   *****************
> > > society would probably move into socialism by evolution.
> >
> > You certainly reveal a poor knowledge of history if you state such
> > foolishness for all the word to read. Marx spent time doing research in
> > London, but he never, ever, lived in the United States.
> 
>    For the third time, I will explain to you people who seem so
> astonished that I could makje a factual error: Marx wrote for Greeley's
> New York Tribune from 1851 to 1862, so I mistakenly thought he lived in
> the US.  If you read the context, it's a very minor point.
>     You don't seem to be able to deal with general ideas, so you
> lecture.  This may impress the people you deal with, but not the people
> I am speaking to and for.
> 
> >
> > While one might regard Marx's *Communist Manifesto* as a writing
> > advocating class revolution in Europe, it is not typical of his writings.
> > Marx was a political economist strongly influenced by Hegelian dialectic.
> > Thus, what is arguably  his most important writing, *Das Kapital*, is a
> > minute examination of economic realtions, their structure, and dynamics in
> > societies. His compatriot, Friedrich Engels, Marx's central ideas into the
> > theory known as "Dialectal Materialism". This is not, however, a
> > prediction of class revolution in the sense you are implying, but rather,
> > it was offered as a universal model of how contradictions inherent in one
> > specific economic structure are resolved in the dynamic movement to the
> > next one, which, too, will have contradictions. The work of Marx and
> > Engels is not the heady stuff that rouses people to act. It is dry,
> > academic writing aimed at elaborating a viable theory of the interaction
> > between various patterns of economic relations and the societies that they
> > serve.
> 
> I know.  Who cares?
> 
> >
> > >        For most literate people, this is belaboring the
> > > obvious.
> >
> > I don't like to dump on you more than I have to, Mr. Whitaker, but you are
> > making it quite clear that you are writing about something you really
> > don't know very much about.
> 
>       Oh, please, please don't worry yourself to death.  If you had read
> what you snipped, you would find this was a very minor point in a
> general discussion.  Your little lecture does not impress me at all.
> 
> > SNIP
>     So you've joined the clones in this censorship business.  Since it
> is easier to leave quotes in than to take them out,  there must be a
> reason for this snipping.  Since people can read and scan and they can
> easily see what you have added versus what was already there, there must
> be reason you do all that snipping.
>     By definition, a Politically Correct person is a compulsive censor.
> Heresy must be minimized, right?
> 
> >
> > >         You can usually tell how far left a group is, how near
> > > the totalitarian left, by how often they repeat that all the
> > > opposition is fascist.   Likewise, the far right is very, very
> > > free with the label Communist.
> >
> > On the level of street and bar room politics, yes. But people who take
> > their politics seriously don't bandy these words about so loosely. What is
> > Bill Clinton model 1996? What about model 1992? How does Bob Dole stack
> > up? And what about Colin Powell? The ideological differences exist, but
> > are words such as 'left', 'right', 'liberal', 'conservative', 'fascist',
> > 'communist' appropriate to depict them accurately? Only of you're Joseph
> > McCarthy.
> >
> > >          This is no accident.  Each potential despot justifies
> > > itself by the using hte other as an excuse.
> > >          So Lenin followed the Czar and Hitler followed Lenin.
> > >   In this hideous parade, who are the true followers of Hitler?
> > >          The drill we call Political Correctness tells us that
> > > the dangerous followers of hitler are on the right, with
> > > Hitler's racial ideas.   But an educated person would predict
> > > that the potential tyrants of the post-World War II period
> > > would come in reaction to Hitler, using him and his ideas as an
> > > excuse for suppressing all opposition.
> >
> > The Soviet Union, which practiced ethnic dilution, genocide, and mass
> > deportations in its efforts to Russify the territories which had come
> > under Soviet rule was doing precisely the same thing Hitler was
> > ('Lebensraum', 'Tod den Untermenschen!', 'Raus mit den Juden!') and a hell
> > of lot more effectively. Tyranny and racism/ethnocentrism know no
> > political home. We find them worldwide, and we should speak up when we see
> > it.
> >
>    We should speak up when we see totalitariansim, like Hitler, Stalin,
> or Political Correctness.  Whether the tytranny is based on an ideology
> of income redistribution or racism makes no difference whatsoever.  This
> is entirely different from what you said.
> 
> > >          If Hitler was a pro-white racist, his legitimate
> > > followers will be anti-white.
> >
> > Hitler was a pro-German ultranationalist. With the possible exception of
> > Josef Stalin he did more harm to the White race (at least as I understand
> > it, since I define White (no quotes) to include European Jews, Poles,
> > Russians, Ukrainians, Turks, and assorted Albainans, Armenians, Bashkirs,
> > Vodians, Vepsians, Kurds, Tatars, Gypsies, Ukrainians, Azeris, etc.), all
> > of whom suffered inordinately as a consequence of Hitler's actions and
> > programs.
> >
> > >          Hitler's true followers will tell us that anyone who
> > > opposes them is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> > >
> >
> > Unmitigated crap.
> >
> > We have spoken.
> >
> > Eugene the Curly-headed
> > King of alt.politics.white-power, Protector of our Aryan heritage,
> > Defender of the English language, etc. etc. etc.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep  1 10:21:37 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Strom, please remember that I warned you about how sily things 
get when you try to explain what everybody already knows to 
these clones.



atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:
>In article <3222B83A.5AB8@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> wrote:
>
>  :When dealing with chromatic differences (wavelength of light), a similar 
>  :lack of boundaries also applies, and yet it is still quite useful in a 
>  :number of different applications to distinguish between red, green, and 
>  :blue, et cetera. I think that the engineers at Sony Corporation would get 
>  :a good laugh if you informed them that the color-splitting (segregating!) 
>  :prisms in their video cameras were of no use whatever because, since 
>  :there is no clearly-defined boundary between green and blue, green and 
>  :blue really do not exist and no distinctions may legitimately be drawn 
>  :between them.
>
>Fine. If you are goint to draw such distinctions based on reflective
>qualities of skin, then post precise criteria. There are 16+ million
>variants on the scale from 000000 (black) to FFFFFF (white, expressed as
>RR GG BB in hexadecimal). Racial boundaries can be defined -- but those
>definitions are invariably subjective, and have invariably, in this forum,
>taken the "I know it when I see it" approach. That is unconscionably vague
>as a legal standard.
>
>
>  :The claim has been advanced that since human races grade into one another 
>  :at their peripheries, race as a concept is fundamentally useless. By 
>  :using the examples of colors and bodies of water, I showed that such a 
>  :claim has very little merit.
>
>Your 'bodies of water' analogy was weak and counterproductive from the
>get-go. The same H2O molecules pass from the Gulf of Mexico to the
>Carribean Sea to the Atlantic Ocean (and even to the Pacific and Indian
>oceans, via the Panama Canal) without any change in their essential
>nature. The waters are identical. The distinctions are geographic,
>temporary, and arbitrary. the differences in current, salinity, and
>temperature are entirely the product of environment. This analogy does
>more against your cause than for it.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
>   declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus




From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 10:22:12 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >    We have here clones who look at a Congo black and a Swedish
> >white, and say, "Race? I don't see no race."
> 
> Bobby, What's with this "clone" crap?  Get a grip man! You have been
> spewing that for months now (in every post - uh, guy, it's just plain
> wierd) and (sorry to have to break the news to you) everyone who reads
> your posts thinks your just a few beans shy of a bushel. You know,
> not playing with a full deck, lost an engine in flight, etc etc.
> 
> > They want obedient, so they
> >will simply scream "racist", which means A Nazi Who Wants To
> >Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Come on, Bob. This is another one of your little (let us say)
> quirks... that .. wellllll  Kind of makes people wonder if you sort of
> need a teency weency tiny bit of therapy.  Nothing drastic, rest
> assured, just , you know,  see a professional.
> 
> Best wishes to you, hope you feel better soon.
> John


    When it comes to insanity, I must bow to your expertise.


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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
> >Obviously dem Jewvens have gotden to yuer brain. Best de ya get some helpfe.
> 
> Uh...  Nobody? What did you say? Hmmm.  You might consider (if I may
> be so bold to suggest) a bit of schooling. I think you have a bit of a
> communication problem there. Hope that's not too bold of me to suggest
> such.
> 
> Best of luck to you,
> 
> John


    All you talk about is insanity and ignorance.  It's good to see
somebody stay on subjects he's familiar with.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 10:25:07 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >    We have here clones who look at a Congo black and a Swedish
> >white, and say, "Race? I don't see no race."
> 
> Bobby, What's with this "clone" crap?  Get a grip man! You have been
> spewing that for months now (in every post - uh, guy, it's just plain
> wierd) and (sorry to have to break the news to you) everyone who reads
> your posts thinks your just a few beans shy of a bushel. You know,
> not playing with a full deck, lost an engine in flight, etc etc.
> 
> > They want obedient, so they
> >will simply scream "racist", which means A Nazi Who Wants To
> >Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Come on, Bob. This is another one of your little (let us say)
> quirks... that .. wellllll  Kind of makes people wonder if you sort of
> need a teency weency tiny bit of therapy.  Nothing drastic, rest
> assured, just , you know,  see a professional.
> 
> Best wishes to you, hope you feel better soon.
> John


    When it comes to insanity, I must bow to your expertise.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 10:57:11 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 10:45:17 -0400
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Scott Erb wrote:
> 
> In article <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, zenoink@ix.netcom.co says...
> 
> >Joel Rosenberg:
> >
> >Are you saying that Gerhard Lauck DID something that led to his current
> >situation?  That is, something analogous to burning a cross on YOUR
> >lawn (as opposed to his own, with permit?)  Please post what that was.
> 
> I don't know what Joel would say, but I would say that Lauck certainly did
> deserve to be imprisoned because by sending Nazi propaganda to Germany he
> knowingly broke German law.  He knew the laws.  He knew where he was sending
> the pamphlets and the like.
> 
> >I, for one, do not like many of the things posted here, but would not
> >even consider the possiblity of promoting prison for expressing ideas
> >with which I disagree.  (There are PLENTY of those--the US would be
> >half-empty!)
> 
> OK, but each country has its own laws on such things.  You may not want
> German laws here, but the laws exist there, and Germany has the right to
> enforce them.  That right exists under international law (the concept of
> 'sovereignty'), and can only be abridged by the United Nations security
> council.
> 
> >It is far better that Lauck be allowed to talk and that his ideas be
> >shown up for what they are.  Suppression leads to martyrdom which can
> >help lead on to victory.
> 
> I'm an ACLU member and a firm believer of freedom of speech in this country.
> However, I'm not a German, and I understand why Germany has tough laws
> against neo-Nazi propaganda, and how it is spread. 


   Has anybody noticed how fanatically devoted Politically CVorrect
people have become to"Let's not criticise the laws of Sovereign States"
since the Hate Laws went into effect?  Anybody remember their having
this sort of reservation about apartheid?


 Whenever a U.S. citizen
> violates the laws of another country, and leaves this country, he or she is
> risking their freedom.  We can't very well impose American laws on the rest
> of the world!
> -scott


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 11:40:01 PDT 1996
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Scott Erb wrote:
> 
> In article <50agrb$17s@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, zenoink@ix.netcom.co says...
> 
> >Joel Rosenberg:
> >
> >Are you saying that Gerhard Lauck DID something that led to his current
> >situation?  That is, something analogous to burning a cross on YOUR
> >lawn (as opposed to his own, with permit?)  Please post what that was.
> 
> I don't know what Joel would say, but I would say that Lauck certainly did
> deserve to be imprisoned because by sending Nazi propaganda to Germany he
> knowingly broke German law.  He knew the laws.  He knew where he was sending
> the pamphlets and the like.
> 
> >I, for one, do not like many of the things posted here, but would not
> >even consider the possiblity of promoting prison for expressing ideas
> >with which I disagree.  (There are PLENTY of those--the US would be
> >half-empty!)
> 
> OK, but each country has its own laws on such things.  You may not want
> German laws here, but the laws exist there, and Germany has the right to
> enforce them.  That right exists under international law (the concept of
> 'sovereignty'), and can only be abridged by the United Nations security
> council.
> 
> >It is far better that Lauck be allowed to talk and that his ideas be
> >shown up for what they are.  Suppression leads to martyrdom which can
> >help lead on to victory.
> 
> I'm an ACLU member and a firm believer of freedom of speech in this country.
> However, I'm not a German, and I understand why Germany has tough laws
> against neo-Nazi propaganda, and how it is spread. 


   Has anybody noticed how fanatically devoted Politically CVorrect
people have become to"Let's not criticise the laws of Sovereign States"
since the Hate Laws went into effect?  Anybody remember their having
this sort of reservation about apartheid?


 Whenever a U.S. citizen
> violates the laws of another country, and leaves this country, he or she is
> risking their freedom.  We can't very well impose American laws on the rest
> of the world!
> -scott


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 13:36:08 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Conflicts in White Nationalist thought, Mr. Strom?
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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >    We have here clones who look at a Congo black and a Swedish
> >white, and say, "Race? I don't see no race."
> 
> Bobby, What's with this "clone" crap?  Get a grip man! You have been
> spewing that for months now (in every post - uh, guy, it's just plain
> wierd) and (sorry to have to break the news to you) everyone who reads
> your posts thinks your just a few beans shy of a bushel. You know,
> not playing with a full deck, lost an engine in flight, etc etc.
> 
> > They want obedient, so they
> >will simply scream "racist", which means A Nazi Who Wants To
> >Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Come on, Bob. This is another one of your little (let us say)
> quirks... that .. wellllll  Kind of makes people wonder if you sort of
> need a teency weency tiny bit of therapy.  Nothing drastic, rest
> assured, just , you know,  see a professional.
> 
> Best wishes to you, hope you feel better soon.
> John


    When it comes to insanity, I must bow to your expertise.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> >    We have here clones who look at a Congo black and a Swedish
> >white, and say, "Race? I don't see no race."
> 
> Bobby, What's with this "clone" crap?  Get a grip man! You have been
> spewing that for months now (in every post - uh, guy, it's just plain
> wierd) and (sorry to have to break the news to you) everyone who reads
> your posts thinks your just a few beans shy of a bushel. You know,
> not playing with a full deck, lost an engine in flight, etc etc.
> 
> > They want obedient, so they
> >will simply scream "racist", which means A Nazi Who Wants To
> >Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Come on, Bob. This is another one of your little (let us say)
> quirks... that .. wellllll  Kind of makes people wonder if you sort of
> need a teency weency tiny bit of therapy.  Nothing drastic, rest
> assured, just , you know,  see a professional.
> 
> Best wishes to you, hope you feel better soon.
> John


    When it comes to insanity, I must bow to your expertise.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 15:11:38 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> 
> In article , Dave Harman OBC  wrote:
> >In <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI> ronkanen@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo Ronkanen) writes:
> >!
> >! To me it seems that those who protect the Nazis' "right" to distribute their
> >! propaganda think the rights as some kind of a game as if when the Nazis
> >! take over one could just press some reset button and all things would be
> >! as they were. That is not the case, if the Nazis take over, everyone
> >! loses their rights, possibly for good. Therefore I view protecting the
> >! Rights of Nazis as either naive or willful support of their ideas.
> >
> >Anti-racists want the hundreds of ethnic groups that make up the white
> >race exterminated.  Needless to say, anti-racists are playing God.
> >Humanity cannot let them continue ruling the world keeping in mind their
> >absolute goal.
> 
> Do you have any point? Are you accusing me for wanting ethnic groups
> exterminated?
> 

    Why should you exterminate anybody?  You are succeeding in your
dream of doing away with white people by third world immigration and
integration.


> Osmo


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 16:17:41 PDT 1996
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Irene Whitfield wrote:
> 
>                           White ( English ) Nationalist.
> I have been given the sort of opportunity I can not resist, and it all
> come about when I was showing friends email I had received, quite a lot
> of it slagging me off for my turn of phrase, which I think would be called
> slanderous had it not been the truth, the fact is I now have free access
> to  the net, there is just one little catch I give my word I would only
> use language that is as pure as the driven snow, the truth is I am working
> with other people now who I admire very much so the change will be simple
> to make.
> For years I tried to get my political views across to other people, only
> to find on the mention of the word Nationalist, the barriers went up, It’s
> different now and not before time thanks to the Internet White Nationalist
> are speaking openly.
> I have been around long enough to have seen the way none whites have
> formed  themselves in National and religious groups, all demanding there
> own schools, Churches, Political leaders culture,  and the right to
> collect there own taxes, the list goes on and on, my advice to all Whites
> is take a leaf out of there book for once and do the same, it’s not the
> none Whites that are in the wrong, but the Whites for not having the
> courage to have done the same.
> Tomorrow’s politics will be formed on what you do today.
> So without a swear word in sight I will say T.T.F.N. and to the dolts of
> Westminster let me just say watch this space.
> Matt.


      You have the right spirit!
      The Internet is the beginning of hte end for the Politically
Correct clones, those loons who have only been ablet o push their crazy
ideas because they controlled all means of communication and have a
totalitarian grip on what is said at University.   
      They spent ages driving all rationalityy out of their spheres of
influence, and all of a sudden, erhe comes the aInternet and cable
television and otehr technology which breaks their grip
      At the same time, the crazy crap they've been pushing is actually
in practice, and the result is disastrous, our streets are jiungles, as
any free person predicted decades ago with their soft-on-crime policies,
education is in a state of collapse as their policies take hold, as
Europe follows New York into becoming a melting pot, it becomes the same
sort of total societal disaster New York is.
   Now the Politically Correct clones need absolute control of hte means
of communication to keep the people from reqalizing what's been done to
them.  And at this very moment, their absolute power over thoughts is
being broken by technology
   Accounts are on their way to being settled.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 16:17:43 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: EXPLAINING AMERICAN HISTORY IN JEWISH TERMS
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Some time back, someone mentioned a white homeland, and in the
process, they
pointed o ut that Jews had a homeland in Israel, why couldn't whites
have one.
        Finsten damn near had a stroke:  the  very idea of comparing a
white land to holy
Israel really upset her.
       This is a typical reaction of people schooled in our Politically
Correct age: they
consider anyone wanting to preserve the existence of whites to be the
embodiment of
Pure Evil, and the preservation of Jews to be the Ultimate Good.
       I have used this fact to explain American history to young
people.   The people who
came to America from Europe really had only one thing in common: they
were white.  
There were blacks who were brought in as slaves, and Indians they had to
fight.  In fact,
until this generation, it was routine to refer to the settling of
America from Europe as "a 
great racial  movement", like those of the Celts and later the Germans
into Northern
Europe in earlier times.   In our day, such an idea is complete heresy
and the essence of
Hate.
      This makes it hard for today's Americans to understand their
ancestors.   I have
bridged this gap by using Jews as an example.  When some people have
difficulty
thinking about America's earlier generations as being anything but pure
evil, I tell them to
try to understand that earlier Americans thought of their own race the
way modern
Americans think of Jews.
       This does, in fact, work.   American history is, in fact,
racist.  But if you explain it in
Jewish terms, even Politically Correct people can often have a new
understanding of
how Americans once thought without condemning them.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  2 19:06:07 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: MY NEW POLITICAL BOOK IS ONLINE.  NOW YOU CAN YELL AT THE AUTHOR!
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I have written two political books, both made *The Review of Reviews*
and on eof them,
*The New Right Papers* is, for sure, in your local library.
   But my new one is me, unplugged.  No editor, and you can talk
straight back to the writer. 
In short, it's on the Internet.
   I have been playing with titles. My favorite, which I could never use
in print, is *Diversity
Sucks, And Other Heresies*.
    I wrote it for fun, and I hope you'll read at least the first
chapter and tell me what you think.
   It is at http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep  3 08:10:48 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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I have written two political books, both made *The Review of Reviews*
and on eof them,
*The New Right Papers* is, for sure, in your local library.
   But my new one is me, unplugged.  No editor, and you can talk
straight back to the writer. 
In short, it's on the Internet.
   I have been playing with titles.  The one I like, but could never use
in print, is *Diversity Sucks, And Other Heresies*.
    I wrote it for fun, and I hope you'll read at least the first
chapter and tell me what you think.
   It is at http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep  3 08:10:48 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 20:09:08 -0400
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Ole Kreiberg wrote:
> 
> In article <504j05$d13@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  wrote:
> >      Ole, here we go again.  On the white power ng, these same
> >clones are insisting they never call anybody a Nazi, and that
> >there is no such thing as a traitor, since I call them race
> >traitors.
> >      As for this clown, Hitler died over half a century ago.
> >Traitors are people like you who call immigration and
> >integration the Final Solution to race problem.
> 
>  But a traitor to what? Certainly not my country or race.
> 
> >Since this
> >immigration and integration will only do away with one race,
> >the white race, it is the Final Solution to the White Problem.
    

     I certainly was not talking about you, Ole!
      


> --
> Ole Kreiberg
> 
> http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep  3 09:46:22 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: MY NEW POLITICAL BOOK IS ONLINE.  AT L AST YOU CAN YELL AT THE AUTHOR!
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I have written two political books, both made *The Review of Reviews*
and on eof them,
*The New Right Papers* is, for sure, in your local library.
   But my new one is me, unplugged.  No editor, and you can talk
straight back to the writer. 
In short, it's on the Internet.
   I have been playing with titles. My favorite, which I could never use
in print, is *Diversity
Sucks, And Other Heresies*.
    I wrote it for fun, and I hope you'll read at least the first
chapter and tell me what you think.
   It is at http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep  3 13:20:56 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laurinda Stryker wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> >    Has anybody noticed how fanatically devoted Politically CVorrect
> > people have become to"Let's not criticise the laws of Sovereign States"
> > since the Hate Laws went into effect?  Anybody remember their having
> > this sort of reservation about apartheid?
> 
> Has anybody noticed how fanatically devoted right-wing loonies become
> to 'let's allow complete freedom of speech' when their fellow loonies
> are prosecuted?  Anybody remember their taking this sort of position
> re: leftists imprisoned for advocating social and political reform in,
> say, Latin America?


    It is no news that there are hypocrites on the right, the national
press talks about it all the time, and they talk about it all the time
at universities.  
     The news is that the ACLU, and the rest of the left has such total,
open hypocrites who are never exposed.


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep  3 13:20:57 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Say, gang, guess what?  The clones have dredged up another old
> >tactic, and, by the most amazing coincidence, they're all using
> >it at the same time!
> >   Now isn't that a surprise, that clones would do the same
> >thing at the same time?
> >   It is the old Politically Correct tactic of censorhip.  I
> >almost invariably quote them completely, but they have taken to
> >chopping down my statements, and then demanding that I answer
> >points that were already covered in the statement.
> 
> And gosh golly gee whiz, Mr. Whitaker is such a strong proponent
> of free speech (and so totally oblivious to netiquette) that he
> even takes care not to censor himself!  Yessirree, he includes
> more than a hundred lines of a previous post and reply, even
> though what he is saying now "in response" to the replier (whose
> name and id are deleted), has absolutely nothing to do with what
> he wrote before!!
> 
> A couple of months ago, Mr. Whitaker was "censoring" all the folks
> he responded to by posting "replies" (I use that term loosely, since
> he doesn't reply in the usual meaning of the word as it is
> understood by most of speakers of English) with *nothing*,
> not a single word, of the post his knee was jerking
> instinctively to.  Hey, Mr. Whitaker, what made you decide
> in the last two months that "censorship" on usenet is a
> bad thing and to change your ways?
> understand the
> 
> [remainder censored, or see the original post, or the
> appropriate Dejanews record]
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


     I noticed you buddy clone quoted where I said you use quotes around
white, and then he quoted me as saying that it was flattery to call you
a traitor.  He "accidentally" left out the rest of my statement.
     I also pointed out that you put quotes around white when the
discussion is about something good about  whites or that the white race
should be preserved, and you leave out the quotes when condemning
whites.   
     For you , the white race exists, all right, but only when it is
being villified.  I said all that, and THEN I said it was flattery to
call you traitors.
     You tell me you NEVER censor, but these cuts seem to be in the
middle of my argument, and leave out what my argument is.  That is what
I would call censorship.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: MY NEW POLITICAL BOOK IS ONLINE!  TALK BACK TO THE AUTHOR!
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a002046 wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > I have written two political books, both made *The Review of Reviews*
> > and on eof them,
> > *The New Right Papers* is, for sure, in your local library.
> >    But my new one is me, unplugged.  No editor, and you can talk
> > straight back to the writer.
> > In short, it's on the Internet.
> >    I have been playing with titles.  The one I like, but could never use
> > in print, is *Diversity Sucks, And Other Heresies*.
> >     I wrote it for fun, and I hope you'll read at least the first
> > chapter and tell me what you think.
> >    It is at http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/
> 
> You describe an experience from graduate school of a newly hired dean who
> was a liberal who fired several conservatives, two of whom later win Nobel
> prizes.  It seems to me that their winning Nobel prizes confirms that
> there was considerable recognition of their academic worth, although not
> by the dean who fired them.  This happened in the '60s, when liberalism
> was coming into fashion, and it would be expected that liberal professors
> would displace some conservative professors.  In the '90s the now old liberal
> doctrines are being challenged, and a new balance will be found.  The process
> is slow, but it will get faster and better as improvements in information
> technology make it harder to suppress opposing views.  It will get harder
> for idealogues who are in fact wrong to get and keep power.


     Thank you for taking a look at my book!
     By the 1960's, liberalism had long since had a hammerlock on
adademia, which reamins iunchallenged today.  You will hear professors
say "Well, we can afford one conservative on the faculty."  But, as I
say, even those conservatives will be respectable, harmless,
conservatives.
    The Nobel Prizes were won in the 1980's.
    The professor who got fired, one of the Nbel-Prizxe winners, had his
building bomb at the next school he went to.
     The American left loves to whine about censorship, but doesn't knwo
waht the real thihngs is,.  If any professor like that on the left had
been fired for heresy, you would have seen it in the headlines.
     Thanks again.  I'll make that clearer in the text.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: GAS ALL RACIST FUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Night wrote:
> 
> Re-open the East German concentration camps and put all the racists in
> them.
> 
> THEN GAS ALL RACIST FUCKS
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> It will great for the German economny.

    Now here is true good boy.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: NO MORE JERRY FORDS!   NO MORE GEORGE BUSHES!  NO MORE BOB DOLES!
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Have we had enough defeats?  Is anybody on the right ready yet to
rebel against the parade of brain dead moderates?
    I was a leader of the New Right, which took the field against  the
Gerald Ford Republicans in the middle 1970's and was one of the main
forces which brought on the revolts of 1980 and 1984.  
    My book *The New Right Papers*, published in 1982 by St. Martin's,
described this successful revolt, and is in everybody's local library.
    But the Republican Party has gone back to the Jerry Ford syndrome
with Bob Dole and his pet "respectable" conservatives.
    We got kicked in the teeth when Jerry Ford ran as a moderate in
1976.  We got kicked in the teeth when George Bush ran as the real
George Bush in 1992, and we are going to get kicked in the teeth with
Bob Dole in 1996!
    HAS ANYBODY HAD ENOUGH YET?
    In November, we're going to have to start rebelling again, and
moving hard right.  My book is the battle cry, and it is on the
Internet:
http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/

Please take a look.  It's time we got started picking up the pieces from
another middle-of-the-road disaster.


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Brian Harmon wrote:
> 
> william c anderson wrote:
> >
> > Hawkman Harold (aviary@pigeon.com) wrote:
> 
> > : Diversity needs to be done away with. And it will. Because it's us or you.
> > : And, man, guess what? It's us. Sorry.
> >
> > Who's this "us," Harold?  You got a rat in your pocket?
> >
> > I got knews for you, son--the vast majority of white people think
> > you and your ilk are either laughable buffoons, twisted sickos, or
> > both.  Please don't attempt to speak for people you don't know.
> 
> And despite what the white power rangers think, many of these
>  pro-diversity whites are NOT pansies afraid of fighting.
> 
> Sure fellas, go right ahead and start a revolution or 'race war.'
>  We'll give you a decent burial, and the survivors will have
>  a day in court.
> 
> For many years i was a pacifist, and even now there are very, very
>  few wars i would actually consider enough of a threat that i'd actually
>  consider it worth fighting. If the white power rangers and their ilk
>  actually started a race war, i'd be first in line with a rifle to shoot
>  them dead.  And i know i'm not alone, as I've yet to meet someone who
>  doesn't consider the vision of these milita/white power groups to be
>  anything short of a twisted nightmare.
> 
> Present comapny excepted, of course.
> 
> > Bill
> 
> Brian Harmon
> ==========================
> brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu
    

We all know that traitors will fight against whites, and we all know
that leftist "pacifism" is only directed against other leftists..


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep  5 16:26:57 PDT 1996
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When I talk about white people, the clones always want to know what
this has to do with Jews.   So I thought I would relate something about
attitudes towards Jews -- since that seems to be the only group the
clones are interested in -- from my youth.
   A common term for a couple composed of a very blond girl and a very
black black man was "Jewish wet dream".   The first thing to understand
is, that "Jew" meant New York Jew, and from everything we could see on
TV and personally, a black guy and a blond girl constituted what New
York Jews lived for.
    You saw this sort of comment a lot in the 1960's, but I can quote
one case, where Elliott Gould told *Playboy* that his enemy had always
been the tall, blond Nordic.  To get Hitler back, they were going to
push integration and they loved intermarriage, so long as it did not
involve Jews.
     Local Jews had about as much use for this attitude as anybody else
locally.  I remember when I was in high school, a kid I was at lunch
with was calling Jews names I had never heard of, but which were clearly
nasty.   I thought he was being anti-semitic, but in fact it turned out
he was a Local Jew with a lot of New York Jews in his synagogue, which
he was describing in a way which made "damn yankee" a term of
endearment.
    So when the clones show their monomaniacal interest in Jews by
questioning me about them, I need to know which ones you're talking
about.  My attitude toward the politics of the general run of New York
Jews might seem extreme to Himmler.


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:

Kasiecki in his Northeastern University in boston arguing htat
non-whites don't really pour into white majorityy countries and are
bringing them down reminds me of the Boston "intellectuals" who used to
use just such endless and contorted and standardized arguments to show
simplistic people like me that all that barbed wire and all those guns
around Red countries didn't mean they were somehow BAD.
    Which reminds me, after i talked about all those ditches and mines
and guns I saw to kill anybody who tried to escape from the Red
countries, one of you clones made a cutesy joke about the Cincinnatti
Reds.  That's hilarious to the folks whose families got shot by the
Reds, of course, and i don't mind.  But Politically Correct people are
known for their lack of humor on racial issues, so this looks just a
little hypocritical.
   Anyway, the basic point with teh Reds was that, all bullshit aside,
they had to keep people in by force.  You can talk yourself purple, but
the fact is damnably few whites want to go to non-white countries, it's
almost entirely the other way around.  
    Sing you predictable little songs about how all that is really just
illusion.  It isn't.





> 
> In article ,
> Hawkman Harold (aviary@pigeon.com) wrote:
> : The anti-white movement is in full swing worldwide. The non-whites are
> : so jealous that they cannot be white themselves.
> 
>     What planet have you been living on, bud?
> 
> : Drawn to our wealth, intelligence, beauty, and science, they are sworn
> : to take us down, do us in, get rid of us.
> 
>     Bullshit.  They aren't drawn to us at all.  There are plenty of
> wealthy Blacks (outside of athletics, that is), I know quite a few
> Blacks who are very intelligent (hell, I'm surrounded by them at
> Northeastern), I'll touch on the beauty part in a moment, and unless
> you're on another planet, there is an increasing interest in science
> among Blacks, at least I've noticed it (could just be a Boston thing,
> for all I know).
>     Non-Whites drawn to our beauty?  I would argue the other way around.
> Could you explain the many White females who risk skin cancer by going
> tanning early each spring?  How about the fact that curvy bodies are now
> popular, which most Black women posess?  How about the fact that Black
> women, and I think even Hispanic women, have thick lips, which many
> White women would love to have?  How about the fact that most non-Whites
> have much more healthy attitudes regarding their bodies?
> 
> : This is a matter of killing the golden goose. Once gone, the golden eggs
> : of the world will disappear, provided the asians are taken out next. That
> : is the idea. Get the Euros first, then get the asians. Reduce the IQ of
> : the planet, so that the minorities will be the smartest.
> 
>     That is 1000% bullshit.
> 
> : This will allow them to operate without fear that the Jews and the Euros
> : and Asians will use them. Of course, what has happened is the opposite.
> : The whites have left them alone, given up colonialism, and invited them
> : inside their countries so that they, too, the whites I mean, can be
> : colonized by the colonials.
> 
>     Bullshit.  I'd love to see you prove this.
> 
> : The desire to bring us low is everywhere.
> 
>     Really?  Tell me about it, this is news to me.
> 
> : However, I have news. The whites have been around for a long time.
> 
>     Yeah.  So have non-Whites; in fact, Black people were the first
> people on this planet.
> 
> : So have our brothers, the chinese who share a land mass with us and
> : are closely related. You hate the two of us, because of our abilities.
> 
>     1000% bullshit.
> 
> : No problem. Our tolerance for you is ending rapidly.
> 
>     Speak for yourself.
> 
> : You will be history soon. Too bad. You screw up a good thing. You got
> : food, medicine, science, technology--all the things your own culture
> : would never have come up with,
> 
>     Where's your crystal ball?  How do you know that?
> 
> : but you misused it, overpopulating your lands, because you no longer
> : died pathetic deaths from the usual diseases, and all because of white
> : medicine, hygiene, and law.
> 
>     You know what's funny?  Haven't Jews made big contributions to the
> field of medicine?  Just a thought.
> 
> : As usual, your minds were too small to take advantage of what we gave
> : you, so now you come to get us.
> 
>     Small minds?  Pot, kettle, black...
> 
> : Diversity needs to be done away with. And it will. Because it's us or
> : you. And, man, guess what? It's us. Sorry.
> 
>     BULLSHIT you idiot.
>     Diversity needs to be embraced people.  The US is the most diverse
> nation in the world, but it is also racked with more bigotry than any
> other nation as well.  That is largely because there is so much fucking
> ignorance, and a refusal to embrace diversity and see that it is a good
> thing.  For some reason, it's now cool to be ignorant; it's a sad sign
> of the times, I guess...
> 
>         Phil "and by the way, it's us *and* you" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki           Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Hate soon consumes itself, because hate eats up oxygen
> and other life-giving properties.  Hate can't yield
> anything of worth or value, not for very long anyway."
> 
> "The price we've paid (for hate) is measured in big
> things--lost joy and unrealized understanding, and in
> our stupid refusal to see each other's beauty, or to
> detect each other's goodness and potential."
> 
> - both by Patricia Raybon, "My First White Friend"


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep  5 21:03:10 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Hawkman Harold (aviary@pigeon.com) wrote:
> : The anti-white movement is in full swing worldwide. The non-whites are
> : so jealous that they cannot be white themselves.
> 
>     What planet have you been living on, bud?
> 
> : Drawn to our wealth, intelligence, beauty, and science, they are sworn
> : to take us down, do us in, get rid of us.
> 
>     Bullshit.  They aren't drawn to us at all.  There are plenty of
> wealthy Blacks (outside of athletics, that is), I know quite a few
> Blacks who are very intelligent (hell, I'm surrounded by them at
> Northeastern), I'll touch on the beauty part in a moment, and unless
> you're on another planet, there is an increasing interest in science
> among Blacks, at least I've noticed it (could just be a Boston thing,
> for all I know).
>     Non-Whites drawn to our beauty?  I would argue the other way around.
> Could you explain the many White females who risk skin cancer by going
> tanning early each spring?  How about the fact that curvy bodies are now
> popular, which most Black women posess?  How about the fact that Black
> women, and I think even Hispanic women, have thick lips, which many
> White women would love to have?  How about the fact that most non-Whites
> have much more healthy attitudes regarding their bodies?
> 
> : This is a matter of killing the golden goose. Once gone, the golden eggs
> : of the world will disappear, provided the asians are taken out next. That
> : is the idea. Get the Euros first, then get the asians. Reduce the IQ of
> : the planet, so that the minorities will be the smartest.
> 
>     That is 1000% bullshit.
> 
> : This will allow them to operate without fear that the Jews and the Euros
> : and Asians will use them. Of course, what has happened is the opposite.
> : The whites have left them alone, given up colonialism, and invited them
> : inside their countries so that they, too, the whites I mean, can be
> : colonized by the colonials.
> 
>     Bullshit.  I'd love to see you prove this.
> 
> : The desire to bring us low is everywhere.
> 
>     Really?  Tell me about it, this is news to me.
> 
> : However, I have news. The whites have been around for a long time.
> 
>     Yeah.  So have non-Whites; in fact, Black people were the first
> people on this planet.
> 
> : So have our brothers, the chinese who share a land mass with us and
> : are closely related. You hate the two of us, because of our abilities.
> 
>     1000% bullshit.
> 
> : No problem. Our tolerance for you is ending rapidly.
> 
>     Speak for yourself.
> 
> : You will be history soon. Too bad. You screw up a good thing. You got
> : food, medicine, science, technology--all the things your own culture
> : would never have come up with,
> 
>     Where's your crystal ball?  How do you know that?
> 
> : but you misused it, overpopulating your lands, because you no longer
> : died pathetic deaths from the usual diseases, and all because of white
> : medicine, hygiene, and law.
> 
>     You know what's funny?  Haven't Jews made big contributions to the
> field of medicine?  Just a thought.
> 
> : As usual, your minds were too small to take advantage of what we gave
> : you, so now you come to get us.
> 
>     Small minds?  Pot, kettle, black...
> 
> : Diversity needs to be done away with. And it will. Because it's us or
> : you. And, man, guess what? It's us. Sorry.
> 
>     BULLSHIT you idiot.
>     Diversity needs to be embraced people.  The US is the most diverse
> nation in the world, but it is also racked with more bigotry than any
> other nation as well.  That is largely because there is so much fucking
> ignorance, and a refusal to embrace diversity and see that it is a good
> thing.  For some reason, it's now cool to be ignorant; it's a sad sign
> of the times, I guess...
> 
>         Phil "and by the way, it's us *and* you" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki           Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Hate 

   This clown is saying that everybody on the other side is just Nazis
Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews,  motivated only by Hate.  But she
says she herself is real sweet!
   This sounds like the sort of wisdom Kasiecki would like.


soon consumes itself, because hate eats up oxygen
> and other life-giving properties.  Hate can't yield
> anything of worth or value, not for very long anyway."
> 
> "The price we've paid (for hate) is measured in big
> things--lost joy and unrealized understanding, and in
> our stupid refusal to see each other's beauty, or to
> detect each other's goodness and potential."
> 
> - both by Patricia Raybon, "My First White Friend"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep  7 10:20:20 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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At Yalta, Churchill ran into a shock.   After six years of being
assured byu absolutely everybody on the left that he was the Bulwark of
the British Empire and the guarantor of British Power, he met with
Roosevelt and Stalin and got frozen out.
   What had happened was simply taht the left had used him, praised him,
and now dumped him.  Churchill will always be beloved and praised for
what he was: a rightist who crushed a rightist.   Actually, what he
fought for, the balance of power in Europe and the British Empire, were
exactly what he destroyed.  He is r3emembered for getting Hitler out of
the way of Roosevelt and Stalin that Churchill will always be bloved
for.
   Churchill was VERY confused at Yalta.  What he didn't realize was
that his job had been done.  He was now seen for what he was: the
representative of a pathetic bombed-out, bankrupt little island with a
titular claim to colonies it was about to be rousted out of fast.
   Churchill had been patted on the head by the left, but by the time of
Yalta, the game was over, and they wanted this little joke called
Britain out of the way.
    Afrikaaners had the glory and respect of the world's let just before
the referendum on white rule: they were promised all sorts of right,
their "progressive" members were patted on the head and there were all
sorts of hints of the future leadership jobs that would be given these
progressive elements who led South Africa into its great future.
     That's over.
     You did what was wanted, now get out of the way.
     The progressive Afrikaaners who are waiting for your reward, forget
it.  Like Churchill, your job is done.
     "'N Boer maak 'n plan", if I remember that right.  You made your
plan based on leftist patience with rightist fools.  You better make
another, fast.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep  8 08:43:08 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: MY NEW POLITICAL BOOK IS ONLINE!  TALK BACK TO THE AUTHOR!
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crward@netins.net wrote:
> 
> In <50lf9e$er2@orion.cybercom.net>, amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) writes:
> >In article <322B7C1B.4F5D@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >>I have written two political books, both made *The Review of Reviews*
> >>and on eof them,
> >>*The New Right Papers* is, for sure, in your local library.
> >>   But my new one is me, unplugged.  No editor, and you can talk
> >>straight back to the writer.
> >>In short, it's on the Internet.
> >>   I have been playing with titles.  The one I like, but could never use
> >>in print, is *Diversity Sucks, And Other Heresies*.
> >>    I wrote it for fun, and I hope you'll read at least the first
> >>chapter and tell me what you think.
> >>   It is at http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/
> >
> >
> >O.k., here's what I think of it.  I think it proves very nicely that you are
> >an idiot.  But then, anyone with more than an ounce of brains already knew
> >that.
> >
> >allan
> >
> >=================================================
> >            amatthews@cybercom.net
> >=================================================
> >A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
> >Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
> >=================================================
> >http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
> >=================================================
> Maybe Dr. Bob should go back to having an editor look over
> his material, before posting it.
> 
> I'm not a mind reader but it appears something is missing
> between the death of George Washington and the life of Dr.
> Semmelweis.
> 
> Charles R Ward


    I wondered if that break was too abrupt.
     Did you get beyond the second paragraph or so?
    I need this sort of basic comment.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  9 14:45:09 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <322F5C0C.114B@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> :    This clown is saying that everybody on the other side is just Nazis
> : Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews,  motivated only by Hate.  But she
> : says she herself is real sweet!
> :    This sounds like the sort of wisdom Kasiecki would like.
> 
>     Bob, let me give you some advice: READ THE BOOK!!  The book is
> excellent, in fact it's the best one I've read to this point in my young
> life.  It was very eye-opening and educational; these quotes caught my
> eye, and really touched me, so I felt it appropriate to include in my
> .signature.  So you're right, I do like the wisdom.  Just one thing- she
> is not at all saying what you think she is; you missed the target, never
> mind the bulls-eye, by a country mile.  That's why I say READ THE BOOK
> you idiot.
> 
>         Phil "he'll probably never do it" Kasiecki
>


  Any book that says "I am against Hate" with the implication that
others are for it is for intellectual non-functioners like you.  Someone
who has been in the real world has seen that kind of mindless crap in
action, and the results. 
    No wonder you don't think the Berlin Wall was any big deal!  



 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki           Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Hate soon consumes itself, because hate eats up oxygen
> and other life-giving properties.  Hate can't yield
> anything of worth or value, not for very long anyway."
> 
> "The price we've paid (for hate) is measured in big
> things--lost joy and unrealized understanding, and in
> our stupid refusal to see each other's beauty, or to
> detect each other's goodness and potential."
> 
> - both by Patricia Raybon, "My First White Friend"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  9 16:22:27 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: SOME ADVICE FOR THE PC CLONES
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This is the constant refrain of the Politically Correct clone:
    "A growing number of people say we're self-righteous and militantly
ignorant.   But that's just because everybody who disagrees with us is
ignorant, inbred trailer trash."
    Maybe you should stop comforting each other and take a look at
reality.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep  9 16:22:31 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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I have repeatedly expressed my concern that the so-called solution
to the race problem is really the Final Solution to the White Problem,
ie, massive third world immigration into and integration in all white
majority countries, and only in white majority countries.
   The predictable reply from the PC clones has been that the white race
does not exist, unless it is being blamed for something.  A PC will not
hesitate to declare that 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the
white race deserves its destruction for colonizing and exploiting other
countries.
    I cannot debate with people who tell me the white race does not
exist or they routinely talk to God.  
    PC clones are only interested in the preservation of one group in
Western society.  Their wide range of interests is summed up in
following typical questions:

1) What about the Jews?
2) What about the Jews?
3) What about the Jews?
4) What about the Jews?
5) What about the Jews?
and then, in a sudden deft move, they hit you with:

6) What about the Jews?


    As I said before, I was raised around a lot of Jews, but they were
not the kind whose every other sentence to a gentile began with, "Well,
I'm Jewish, and..."
    Some version of the latter line is what one hears endlessly from New
York City Jews, professional liberal Jews, and anyone on television who
seems to be convinced that everyone is as fascinated by their Jewishness
as Politically Correct people have to be.
    When an Official Jew opens with some version of his "I'm Jewish
and.." line, I am always reminded of a line from a TV show which is
popular with all us trailer trash, *Married With Children*.  When Peggy
says she has an idea, Al always says, hopelessly, "This isn't going to
be really, really STUPID, is it?"  
    Peg always says no, and of course it is.
    What sort of asinine comment requires one to put upa flag signalling
one's memberwhip in a Suffering Race before one can make it?   Listen to
the Official Jew, and you will know.
    Long before there was Political Correctness, there was the Official
Jewish Attitude.   Both PC and the OJA can be summed up as: "People
don't like me because I'm so wonderful, intelligen, and feeling.  I am
sanew.  The rest of the world is insane."
    It takes a particular kind of mind to believe that and not doubt
one's sanity.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> alt.skinheads removed. posted & emailed to call attention to the changed
> subject.
> 
> In article <50siqs$fui@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) wrote:
> 
> > I am assuming someone posted the excerpts from _the Turner Diaries_
> > directed at me as some sort of dark humor.
> 
> Good. Nice of Skippy to come to your defense, though, wasn't it?
> 
> > I am not afraid of any "movement" morons and nut-cases coming after me for
> > my statements of truth (which make them fear for their money-making
> > potential and the the cohesion of their infantile fantasy worlds), for my
> > "cause" is right and just.  Theirs is not.  As God could not bless
> > Hitler's "movement" decades ago, resulting in Germany's defeat by other
> > evil forces, God cannot bless the "movement" and the purposes of the
> > National Alliance or Resistance Records today.  They, too, will fail, and
> > as I made clear, I wish to be no part of their unholy "cause."
> 
> Don't take this personally, but since we're still in alt.revisionism, of
> course I disagree with the "Germany's defeat by other evil forces" bit. I
> simply do not buy this "Nazism v. Communism struggle" garbage. Hitler was
> an opportunist, not an anti-communist. He signed a pact with Stalin in
> 1939, ferchrissakes, and divided Poland with him. Yes, even in the early
> days, he ranted against Communist influence, but I see those as tactical
> moves. Nazi propaganda became more and more anti-Bolshevik over time as
> the battle raged on the Eastern Front -- an instrumental development, not
> an ideological development. Hitler was defeated by the folly of a land war
> in Asia, by *good* forces from the west, and, yes, in part by evil forces
> from the East (but by the time Germany was actually defeated, the Soviet
> army was arguably more Russian nationalist than Communist).
> 
> "Nazism v. Communism" was a historical accident, not the titanic struggle
> that Nazis like to believe it was (is). They are not fundamentally
> opposed, but both are fundamentally opposed to freedom and democracy.
> That's why most decent people in the West -- left, right, and center --
> set aside their differences to oppose both. And they defeated both.
> 
> -rich
>  http://www.c2.org/~rich/
   

   But what about the official line that Hitler was only bad because he
was a racist?  All I ever hear is that racist=Nazi, and that socialism
does not equal Communism.
   Since you do not insist that racism is Nazism, doesn't that make you
a Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews?


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Sep 11 13:10:06 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: THE PC ATTITUDE AND THE "OFFICIAL JEWISH ATTITUDE"
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John wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >I have repeatedly expressed my concern that the so-called solution
> >to the race problem is really the Final Solution to the White Problem,
> >ie, massive third world immigration into and integration in all white
> >majority countries, and only in white majority countries.
> >   The predictable reply from the PC clones has been that the white race
> >does not exist, unless it is being blamed for something.  A PC will not
> >hesitate to declare that 1) the white race does not exist and 2) the
> >white race deserves its destruction for colonizing and exploiting other
> >countries.
> >    I cannot debate with people who tell me the white race does not
> >exist or they routinely talk to God.
> >    PC clones are only interested in the preservation of one group in
> >Western society.  Their wide range of interests is summed up in
> >following typical questions:
> 
> >1) What about the Jews?
> >2) What about the Jews?
> >3) What about the Jews?
> >4) What about the Jews?
> >5) What about the Jews?
> >and then, in a sudden deft move, they hit you with:
> 
> >6) What about the Jews?
> 
> >    As I said before, I was raised around a lot of Jews, but they were
> >not the kind whose every other sentence to a gentile began with, "Well,
> >I'm Jewish, and..."
> >    Some version of the latter line is what one hears endlessly from New
> >York City Jews, professional liberal Jews, and anyone on television who
> >seems to be convinced that everyone is as fascinated by their Jewishness
> >as Politically Correct people have to be.
> >    When an Official Jew opens with some version of his "I'm Jewish
> >and.." line, I am always reminded of a line from a TV show which is
> >popular with all us trailer trash, *Married With Children*.  When Peggy
> >says she has an idea, Al always says, hopelessly, "This isn't going to
> >be really, really STUPID, is it?"
> >    Peg always says no, and of course it is.
> >    What sort of asinine comment requires one to put upa flag signalling
> >one's memberwhip in a Suffering Race before one can make it?   Listen to
> >the Official Jew, and you will know.
> >    Long before there was Political Correctness, there was the Official
> >Jewish Attitude.   Both PC and the OJA can be summed up as: "People
> >don't like me because I'm so wonderful, intelligen, and feeling.  I am
> >sanew.  The rest of the world is insane."
> >    It takes a particular kind of mind to believe that and not doubt
> >one's sanity.
> 
> Bobby,  what drivel. I see you have not taken the good hearted advice
> that you should visit a psychiatrist. Sad, Bobby,  sad.
> 
> Hope you feel better soon,
> 
> John


    And as I said before, you certainly know all there is to know about
insanity.


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Sep 11 13:53:58 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: What Mommy Professor Says Never WORKS!!!
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Well, we have the usual screams of "race isn't really there" that
I've been hearing for forty years. The problem is, while the screams are
always the same, the "authority" quoted is always different in every
five-year period. 
   In fact, today's quoters don't even know the earlier crap existed,
because they are so obviously silly.  These theories have a short
half-life, protected by academia from argument, and the fact aht anyone
who disagrees with liberal orthodoxy is declared to be A Nazi Who Wants
To Kill Six Million Jews, and argument is crushed for a while. 
   But the leftist theories pop like a bubble when exposed to air.
   The trick is to keep them from being exposed to air for as long as
possible.
   When I was in college, it was accepted among "intellectuals" that the
only truly EFFICIENT economy(Yes, Virginia, I said EFFICIENT) was one in
which the government owned all the industry.   The only thing that
finally popped this bubble was when Communism collapsed of its own
absurdity.  
    Mommy Professors were teaching the Glory of the Planned Economy
right up until its autopsy.
    Why are [professors such dolts and such tyrants?    Please read the
first chapter of my book at http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/
    An example we are all familiar with is Mommy Professor's Theory of
Crime.  Punishment doesn't work, you see.   All that works is giving
social scientists billions of dollars to address the Root Causes of
Crime.
    You know, if MD's ruled our social teachings at the university, and
every solution students quoted from Mommy Professor involved more money
and power for the medical profession, we might get a little suspicious.
   But Mommy professor's good boys and good girls quote them like the
Bible, and everyone else is just ignorant.
   It is when these dolts brings this crap into society and sell it, and
we actually try it out that we find out something it is time to take
notice of:
   The policies derived from this Porfesssor crap are ALWAYS costly
disasters.
    I only grew up after being a college professor myself.  I worked at
a prison, and saw how both the cons and the staff laughed at the new
prison psychologist, who took two years or more to get away from Mommy
Professor unmitigated crap long enough to realize that criminals lie.  
It's in the first chapter.
    Some people, of course, never grow up.  They come from a protected,
naive environment at home to an even more protected and naive
environment of social science professors, very few of whom could make it
out in reality.
    Social science professors know that.  They are always putting down
people who make it out in reality, and making jokes about how naive
everybody else is.  What is ironic is that "everybody else" is paying
them to do it.
     We have gone to schools run entirely on Mommy Professor's
educational theories, which always involved more money and more power
for the education establishment.  
    Our educational system is, of course, a disaster.
    Our disasters can mostly be traced back to Mommy professors and
their Good Little Boys and Girls.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 12 09:23:17 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: RACE has no Biological Meaning....
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:05:31 -0400
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <513t7k$lsc@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
> Jean A Robards (loki999@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : In <5137rv$dql@newsbf02.news.aol.com> alphachnl@aol.com (ALPHA CHNL)
> : writes:
> : >If you ignorant people had a clue you might realize that "race" isnt
> : >even a real biological trait. The very basis of your arguements is
> : >non-existant! Thank God no one actually takes you guys seriously!
> 
> :      Oh really? Could you please provide some back up?
> 
>     You must not know your basic biology; if you did, you wouldn't even
> ask that question, and look like such a fool.


    It used to be "basic anthroplogy", because they were the ones who
were charged with saying "all races have been proven equal".  Somebody
always has such a "proof", then they go down and won't even discuss how
silly their so-called "proof" was.
    Mommy Professor will tell you whatever you needd to hear, but the
fact is that you have to be a nut to believe that race isn't there.
    Ny brother is a doctor, and he'll be glad to explain that to you. 
Your "basic biology" only works when you are in a completely protected
politically Correct environment.  It doen't work among adults, i.e.,
outside of Mommy Professor's controlled area.


    
> 
> : Furthermore, why do you liberals always call racists IGNORANT?!
> 
>     Stupid question- racism *is* ignorant.  Plain and simple.

 
    What I like about Kasiecki is that he has no sense of shame
whatever.  He quotes Mommy Professor on everything and truly believes
he's sayijng something.



>     Better question: why do non-racist liberals and conservatives call
> racists ignorant?
> 
> : I have studied race, and thusly the only thing I MAY be "ignorant" (ie
> : lacking knowledge of) is nigger cock.
> 
>     WTFE.  You don't even know what you're talking about.
> 
>         Phil "doesn't surprise me in the least" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki           Electrical and Computer Engineering
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Hate soon consumes itself, because hate eats up oxygen
> and other life-giving properties.  Hate can't yield
> anything of worth or value, not for very long anyway."
> 
> "The price we've paid (for hate) is measured in big
> things--lost joy and unrealized understanding, and in
> our stupid refusal to see each other's beauty, or to
> detect each other's goodness and potential."
> 
> - both by Patricia Raybon, "My First White Friend"


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: What Mommy Professor Says Never WORKS!!!
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:00:57 -0400
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> 
> Well, we have the usual screams of "race isn't really there" that
> I've been hearing for forty years. The problem is, while the screams are
> always the same, the "authority" quoted is always different in every
> five-year period.
>    In fact, today's quoters don't even know the earlier crap existed,
> because they are so obviously silly.  These theories have a short
> half-life, protected by academia from argument, and the fact aht anyone
> who disagrees with liberal orthodoxy is declared to be A Nazi Who Wants
> To Kill Six Million Jews, and argument is crushed for a while.
>    But the leftist theories pop like a bubble when exposed to air.
>    The trick is to keep them from being exposed to air for as long as
> possible.
>    When I was in college, it was accepted among "intellectuals" that the
> only truly EFFICIENT economy(Yes, Virginia, I said EFFICIENT) was one in
> which the government owned all the industry.   The only thing that
> finally popped this bubble was when Communism collapsed of its own
> absurdity.
>     Mommy Professors were teaching the Glory of the Planned Economy
> right up until its autopsy.
>     Why are [professors such dolts and such tyrants?    Please read the
> first chapter of my book at http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/
>     An example we are all familiar with is Mommy Professor's Theory of
> Crime.  Punishment doesn't work, you see.   All that works is giving
> social scientists billions of dollars to address the Root Causes of
> Crime.
>     You know, if MD's ruled our social teachings at the university, and
> every solution students quoted from Mommy Professor involved more money
> and power for the medical profession, we might get a little suspicious.
>    But Mommy professor's good boys and good girls quote them like the
> Bible, and everyone else is just ignorant.
>    It is when these dolts brings this crap into society and sell it, and
> we actually try it out that we find out something it is time to take
> notice of:
>    The policies derived from this Professsor crap are ALWAYS costly
> disasters.
>     I only grew up after being a college professor myself.  I worked at
> a prison, and saw how both the cons and the staff laughed at the new
> prison psychologist, who took two years or more to get away from Mommy
> Professor unmitigated crap long enough to realize that criminals lie.
> It's in the first chapter.
>     Some people, of course, never grow up.  They come from a protected,
> naive environment at home to an even more protected and naive
> environment of social science professors, very few of whom could make it
> out in reality.
>     Social science professors know that.  They are always putting down
> people who make it out in reality, and making jokes about how naive
> everybody else is.  What is ironic is that "everybody else" is paying
> them to do it.
>      We have gone to schools run entirely on Mommy Professor's
> educational theories, which always involved more money and more power
> for the education establishment.
>     Our educational system is, of course, a disaster.
>     Our disasters can mostly be traced back to Mommy professors and
> their Good Little Boys and Girls.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> Andy Walton wrote:
> >
> > In article <3227ED18.457B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> >  wrote:
> >
> >   :Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color
> >   :at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of
> >   :biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged"
> >   :boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some
> >   :dispute.
> >
> > But when you turn a vague category into a legals standard, the boundaries
> > become all-important. We can all reach a vague consensus on whay colors
> > are "blue," but if you are going to jail people who wear blue, then the
> > lines between blue ans green and between blue and violet need to be
> > precisely defined.
> >
> 
> Something like the way current American laws define "intent" or
> "compelling interest" or "premeditated" or "pornography"? Many legal
> terms are open to various interpretations. That's why the shysters earn
> $250 per hour. If you know a way around this problem, please enlighten
> me. The definitional problems are real, but do not persuade me that we
> should drop "premeditated murder" as a category of crime.
> 
> I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
> pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
> all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
> 
> >   :Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are
> >   :"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space
> >   :dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have
> >   :produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is
> >   :the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact
> >   :that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F.
> >   :must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's
> >   :wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the
> >   :differences.
> >
> > But if you're going to legally define categories, you need precise
> > boundaries. The boundaries of any given body of water are precisely
> > deliniated, by law or by treaty. The National Weather Service issues small
> > craft advisories based on specific criteria. The steps between a category
> > 1 and category 5 hurricane are clearly defined.
> >
> > You and I may be able to look at a given person, call that person by one
> > race or another, and agree 99% of the time. That's not good enough for a
> > legal standard. If you would like to treat non-whites differently in the
> > eyes of the law -- the moral implications of that very idea aside -- your
> > terms must be clearly, objectively, and precisely defined, something white
> > nationalists have been singularly unable to do.
> >
> 
> Of course, the existence of an all-White state would absolutely preclude
> the possibility of Whites treating non-Whites differently there.
> Multiracialists and members of non-White races would have their own
> societies and their own laws, where they would be completely free to find
> their own destinies in any way they are able.
> 
> > Otherwise, you are championing a society in which the only relevant
> > standard is "you know what we mean," and the basis of the law is "trust
> > us." With such vague definitions, the person doing the classifying is
> > all-powerful. In the absence of clear standards, you are championing rule
> > of men, not of law.
> >
> 
> The philosophical and practical problem of men not adhering to their
> professed laws, constitutions, or principles, and covertly or openly
> abandoning the same with the intention of following a special interest or
> private agenda is a perennial one. Are you claiming that this problem
> does not exist now or that it would be unique to a White separatist
> state?
> 
> The fact that you state above that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent.
> of the time on racial classifications indicates to me that the
> definitional problem is a minor one, and that real disagreements on that
> subject would be far less ubiquitous than, say, current debate on whether
> or not human life begins at conception.
> 
> Even if we accept the most inclusive definition imaginable and build a
> new society on that basis, we will have made a huge and necessary step
> forward from any White separatist's point of view.
> 
> With all good  wishes,
>

     The essential problem leftists actually have with allowing racial
separation has nothing to do with their theories.  Their problem is
reality.
     From your point of view, why would they object to people setting up
their own territory based on race?   The answer is the painful
experience these guys have had with societies based on their theories as
opposed to allowing people to choose.
     They build a Workers' Paradise, and then they have to set up barbed
wire and machine guns to keep people in it. They build Ideally Racially
Balanced Schools, and the whites run.  They then have to get the whites'
tax money to build "low-cost housing" which "happens to be black" in the
suburbs, and soon those damned whites have escaped again, so the buses
roll and the low-cost housing is put in...
     As is the case with racial balance, if you leave whites with a
choice beetween an all-white society and a society made up of minorities
and the kind of whites who want to live with them, even thos whites
rapidly move out.
      If this is not the case, as some clone is going to say, why do
they insist that, in all this wide world, we can only live in a
community which includes non-whites?   
 
> --
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
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>                   I speak only for myself:
> 
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> 
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>             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
> 
>                 The Finest in European Art:
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> 
>                    Patriotic Resistance:
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Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> Andy Walton wrote:
> >
> > In article <3227ED18.457B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> >  wrote:
> >
> >   :Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color
> >   :at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of
> >   :biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged"
> >   :boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some
> >   :dispute.
> >
> > But when you turn a vague category into a legals standard, the boundaries
> > become all-important. We can all reach a vague consensus on whay colors
> > are "blue," but if you are going to jail people who wear blue, then the
> > lines between blue ans green and between blue and violet need to be
> > precisely defined.
> >
> 
> Something like the way current American laws define "intent" or
> "compelling interest" or "premeditated" or "pornography"? Many legal
> terms are open to various interpretations. That's why the shysters earn
> $250 per hour. If you know a way around this problem, please enlighten
> me. The definitional problems are real, but do not persuade me that we
> should drop "premeditated murder" as a category of crime.
> 
> I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
> pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
> all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
> 
> >   :Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are
> >   :"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space
> >   :dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have
> >   :produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is
> >   :the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact
> >   :that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F.
> >   :must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's
> >   :wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the
> >   :differences.
> >
> > But if you're going to legally define categories, you need precise
> > boundaries. The boundaries of any given body of water are precisely
> > deliniated, by law or by treaty. The National Weather Service issues small
> > craft advisories based on specific criteria. The steps between a category
> > 1 and category 5 hurricane are clearly defined.
> >
> > You and I may be able to look at a given person, call that person by one
> > race or another, and agree 99% of the time. That's not good enough for a
> > legal standard. If you would like to treat non-whites differently in the
> > eyes of the law -- the moral implications of that very idea aside -- your
> > terms must be clearly, objectively, and precisely defined, something white
> > nationalists have been singularly unable to do.
> >
> 
> Of course, the existence of an all-White state would absolutely preclude
> the possibility of Whites treating non-Whites differently there.
> Multiracialists and members of non-White races would have their own
> societies and their own laws, where they would be completely free to find
> their own destinies in any way they are able.
> 
> > Otherwise, you are championing a society in which the only relevant
> > standard is "you know what we mean," and the basis of the law is "trust
> > us." With such vague definitions, the person doing the classifying is
> > all-powerful. In the absence of clear standards, you are championing rule
> > of men, not of law.
> >
> 
> The philosophical and practical problem of men not adhering to their
> professed laws, constitutions, or principles, and covertly or openly
> abandoning the same with the intention of following a special interest or
> private agenda is a perennial one. Are you claiming that this problem
> does not exist now or that it would be unique to a White separatist
> state?
> 
> The fact that you state above that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent.
> of the time on racial classifications indicates to me that the
> definitional problem is a minor one, and that real disagreements on that
> subject would be far less ubiquitous than, say, current debate on whether
> or not human life begins at conception.
> 
> Even if we accept the most inclusive definition imaginable and build a
> new society on that basis, we will have made a huge and necessary step
> forward from any White separatist's point of view.
> 
> With all good  wishes,
>

     The essential problem leftists actually have with allowing racial
separation has nothing to do with their theories.  Their problem is
reality.
     From your point of view, why would they object to people setting up
their own territory based on race?   The answer is the painful
experience these guys have had with societies based on their theories as
opposed to allowing people to choose.
     They build a Workers' Paradise, and then they have to set up barbed
wire and machine guns to keep people in it. They build Ideally Racially
Balanced Schools, and the whites run.  They then have to get the whites'
tax money to build "low-cost housing" which "happens to be black" in the
suburbs, and soon those damned whites have escaped again, so the buses
roll and the low-cost housing is put in...
     As is the case with racial balance, if you leave whites with a
choice beetween an all-white society and a society made up of minorities
and the kind of whites who want to live with them, even thos whites
rapidly move out.
      If this is not the case, as some clone is going to say, why do
they insist that, in all this wide world, we can only live in a
community which includes non-whites?   
 
> --
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>                   I speak only for myself:
> 
>                  Occupied America Homepage:
>       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
> 
>      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
> 
>                 The Finest in European Art:
>       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
> 
>                    Patriotic Resistance:
>                   http://www.natvan.com/
>                   http://www.natall.com/


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 13 10:52:47 PDT 1996
Article: 53373 of alt.discrimination
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> 
> Andy Walton wrote:
> >
> > In article <3227ED18.457B@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> >  wrote:
> >
> >   :Of course, in this reference to color I was not talking about skin color
> >   :at all. I was talking about the absurdity of denying the reality of
> >   :biological race (or any category of things without "hard-edged"
> >   :boundaries) just because its definitional boundaries are subject to some
> >   :dispute.
> >
> > But when you turn a vague category into a legals standard, the boundaries
> > become all-important. We can all reach a vague consensus on whay colors
> > are "blue," but if you are going to jail people who wear blue, then the
> > lines between blue ans green and between blue and violet need to be
> > precisely defined.
> >
> 
> Something like the way current American laws define "intent" or
> "compelling interest" or "premeditated" or "pornography"? Many legal
> terms are open to various interpretations. That's why the shysters earn
> $250 per hour. If you know a way around this problem, please enlighten
> me. The definitional problems are real, but do not persuade me that we
> should drop "premeditated murder" as a category of crime.
> 
> I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
> pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
> all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
> 
> >   :Also, if you look at the long-term picture, virtually all species are
> >   :"geographic" and "temporary," and even "arbitrary" not only in the space
> >   :dimensions but also in the time dimension. (Could _homo erectus_ have
> >   :produced viable and fertile offspring with _homo neanderthalis_? Where is
> >   :the "boundary" between these two species?) None of this changes the fact
> >   :that water with a current of 100 knots and a temperature of 33 degrees F.
> >   :must be dealt with somewhat differently than the water in your daughter's
> >   :wading pool, and it is useful to have different names to convey the
> >   :differences.
> >
> > But if you're going to legally define categories, you need precise
> > boundaries. The boundaries of any given body of water are precisely
> > deliniated, by law or by treaty. The National Weather Service issues small
> > craft advisories based on specific criteria. The steps between a category
> > 1 and category 5 hurricane are clearly defined.
> >
> > You and I may be able to look at a given person, call that person by one
> > race or another, and agree 99% of the time. That's not good enough for a
> > legal standard. If you would like to treat non-whites differently in the
> > eyes of the law -- the moral implications of that very idea aside -- your
> > terms must be clearly, objectively, and precisely defined, something white
> > nationalists have been singularly unable to do.
> >
> 
> Of course, the existence of an all-White state would absolutely preclude
> the possibility of Whites treating non-Whites differently there.
> Multiracialists and members of non-White races would have their own
> societies and their own laws, where they would be completely free to find
> their own destinies in any way they are able.
> 
> > Otherwise, you are championing a society in which the only relevant
> > standard is "you know what we mean," and the basis of the law is "trust
> > us." With such vague definitions, the person doing the classifying is
> > all-powerful. In the absence of clear standards, you are championing rule
> > of men, not of law.
> >
> 
> The philosophical and practical problem of men not adhering to their
> professed laws, constitutions, or principles, and covertly or openly
> abandoning the same with the intention of following a special interest or
> private agenda is a perennial one. Are you claiming that this problem
> does not exist now or that it would be unique to a White separatist
> state?
> 
> The fact that you state above that you and I (!) might agree 99 per cent.
> of the time on racial classifications indicates to me that the
> definitional problem is a minor one, and that real disagreements on that
> subject would be far less ubiquitous than, say, current debate on whether
> or not human life begins at conception.
> 
> Even if we accept the most inclusive definition imaginable and build a
> new society on that basis, we will have made a huge and necessary step
> forward from any White separatist's point of view.
> 
> With all good  wishes,
>

     The essential problem leftists actually have with allowing racial
separation has nothing to do with their theories.  Their problem is
reality.
     From your point of view, why would they object to people setting up
their own territory based on race?   The answer is the painful
experience these guys have had with societies based on their theories as
opposed to allowing people to choose.
     They build a Workers' Paradise, and then they have to set up barbed
wire and machine guns to keep people in it. They build Ideally Racially
Balanced Schools, and the whites run.  They then have to get the whites'
tax money to build "low-cost housing" which "happens to be black" in the
suburbs, and soon those damned whites have escaped again, so the buses
roll and the low-cost housing is put in...
     As is the case with racial balance, if you leave whites with a
choice beetween an all-white society and a society made up of minorities
and the kind of whites who want to live with them, even thos whites
rapidly move out.
      If this is not the case, as some clone is going to say, why do
they insist that, in all this wide world, we can only live in a
community which includes non-whites?   
 
> --
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>       Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
>                   I speak only for myself:
> 
>                  Occupied America Homepage:
>       http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
> 
>      Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
>             http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
> 
>                 The Finest in European Art:
>       http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
> 
>                    Patriotic Resistance:
>                   http://www.natvan.com/
>                   http://www.natall.com/


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 14 14:18:52 PDT 1996
Article: 43227 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:10:22 -0400
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If someone says all blacks should be done away with, does anyone
think any of our clones would say it wasn't genocide, because the "black
race" doesn't exist?
   Of course not.
   But they do insist that what they call the "white" race has to prove
it meets some kind of definitional nonsense to claim its right to
exist.  Some racists try to prove we are inherently superior in order to
justify our existence.
  The fact remains a fact: non-blacks are not pouring into Africa,
non-Mongoloids are not pouring into China or Japan.  The destruction of
one race by immigration and integration is ongoing, and the race is what
everybody knows is the white race.  Yes, what "everybody knows" does
matter, otherwise no discussion is possible.  No rational discussion can
take place if every talk gets bogged down in arguements about the wave
length of "red" or how much bigger than means bigger than or some other
such theological nonsense.
     Genocide is a VERY serious business.  These clones are playing a
nasty little game.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 14 15:00:08 PDT 1996
Article: 65507 of alt.revisionism
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism (was Re: Milton Kleim)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 16:42:34 -0400
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :    But what about the official line that Hitler was only bad because he
> : was a racist?

Feel around you, Bill, maybe you're still in bed!
    You PC types do believe that you didn't say something you always did
say if it becomes inconvenient for you.  That's because, since you are
usually protected from disagreement at universities or in public
discussion, you just act liuke whatever you said, when it is challenged,
was never actually said.
   Mention race the wrong way, and you scream "Nazi"!   Everybody
reading this is familair with this.   You told them to forget it, but I
doubt the non-PPC types will obey you.




> 
> It's a figment of your imagination, Bob.  There is no such "official
> line".
> 
> : All I ever hear is that racist=Nazi,


 
> That's ridiculous, of course, and nobody ever says it.  There are many
> racists who aren't nazis--but racism is one component of the nazi
> ideology.


   Boy, you really have gone over the line in your own world!  Calling
racists Nazis is standard practice everywhere.  I would say "and you
know it" , but you PC types are creepy.  You actually may not believe it
if you don't want to.
   One of many examples: I ws going across the Hungarian border on a bus
in 1971, and some Peacenik types were int he bus with me.  There was the
usual ditch, guards with fully automatic weapons, and skull-signs that
said "mines".  These people really believed that only Nazis(racists)
were really evil, and the Reds were the same as the West.    I was
curious as to how they would deal with the evidence before them.
   It was creepy!   They both looked straight ahead in a self-induced
but genuine little coma until we got past the bad stuff.
    One thing you will never run into on campus is a thorough discussion
of how absolute this peacenik mentality was on college campuses.  It's
gone down your good old Memory Hole.  In the same way, all your "Nazi!"
screams go down the Memory Hole the minute they become inconvenient to
you.




> : and that socialism does not equal Communism.
> 
> Socialism does not equal communism, but communism is a form of
> socialism.

   Every university quickly and thoroughly teaches every student that
socialism is not necessarily Communism.  In fact, every university
teaches you how few socialists are actually Communists.  But calling all
racists Nazi is routine, and I have never heard any professor
specifically say that a racist is not necessarily a Nazi, even once.



> This is all pretty simple, Bob.


    The essence of the Big Lie technique is its simplicity.

 
> Bill


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 15 10:12:03 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Nazi clones say - "Agree with us or you're a Race Traitor"
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Ursus Major wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten  wrote:
> 
> >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
> >>Laura Finsten  wrote:
> >
> >>>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>>>That's your categorization of what they speak, then, and thus your
> >>>>re-categorization of the little you have read of my speech fits nicely
> >>>>into that as it is a solopsistic definition.
> >
> >>>No, that is a reasonable inference based on the *content* of what
> >>>they say, including the repeated use of generic terms like "you
> >>>clones", "you liberals", "you race traitors", "you anti-whites"
> >>>to describe everyone who disagrees with them.
> >
> >>Isn't it the same with "anti-Semite" and "fascist": i.e. anyone I
> >>oppose for any reason? (High school jocks, being neither political
> >>nor very bright, use the term "fag" for the same purpose.)
> >
> >Perhaps if one has an adolescent mind, those sorts of labels might
> >seem appropriate.  I reserve the terms antisemite and fascist for
> >people who have earned them.  Similarly, I reserve the label Nazi
> >for those who were members of the NSDAP and/or subscribed to its
> >racist political philosophy, and neo-Nazi for those today who
> >espouse and/or spout virtually identical views.
> >
> >>    It's merely practical Orwell: "us" vrs. "them" -- Don't be late
> >>for the Five-Minute Hate! The "enemy" is totally relavistic: that's
> >>why history has to be periodically rewritten--and entrenched interests
> >>do all they can to prevent that from occuring.
> >>   "Neo-Nazi" or "Nazi-clone" is--_mutatis mutandis_--the same as
> >>"fag" for the high school jock (or "Denier" for Big Debbie): the
> >>_goy_, the "infidel." If one remembers that the words host and hostile
> >>come from the same Latin root-word (_hostes_, meaning both stranger
> >>and enemy), he gets a much clearer picture as to how the psyche works.
> >
> >>Maybe one would prefer something else, but that "something else"
> >>wouldn't be human.
> >
> >Unlike you, I believe that humans are capable of seeing shades of grey,
> >and of seeing complexities and depth, and not just superficial and
> >simplistic categories.
> >
> >
> >"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
> >          Emma Goldman
> >
> Sweathard, you can kick up your heels to "Hava Hagila" any time,
>         and don't let THEM tell you otherwise!
> 
> (Whatever happened to the Jacobites? Nobody ever talks about the
>         Jacobites! Must have fallen down the Memory Hole.)


WHICH Jacobites?

 
> =================================================================
> 
> MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
>       "Ursus Major"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 15 10:14:18 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32352867.6A72@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Laura Finsten wrote:
>   :>
>   :> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>   :> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
>   :> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
>   :> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
>   :>
>   :> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
>   :> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
>   :> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
>   :> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?
>   :
>   :If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live
>   :in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement
>   :describing one's self as White, would one?
> 
> Again, this relies on a clear definition of white, which you have
> repeatedly failed to provide. If someone with one white and three black
> grandparents self-identifies as "white," he's in, right? And he could
> certainly, with a clear conscience, pledge to support the advancement of
> the "white race" of which he feels himself a part.
> 
> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
> Trust me."
> argument again, isn't it?
> 
> And since you resort to spelling flames below, it's "oneself," not "one's self".
> 
>   :>  I mean
>   :> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
>   :> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
>   :> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
>   :
>   :If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.
> 
> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
> 
> This is nothing more or less than a rewording of the "porn actors, et. al.
> aren't really white" argument Les Griswold tried to sell. It comes back
> once again to the "everybody knows" standard, and the end result is "give
> us absolute power, and we'll work out the details later."
> 
> No thanks. It's been tried, and it didn't work out too well.
    


    Oh, yes!   True clone originality.  He's talking about "It was tried
once-- in Nazi Germany."
    That means -- truly original -- that we who do not accept his
melting pot are all Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.


> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 15 10:14:19 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Ursus Major wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten  wrote:
> 
> >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
> >>Laura Finsten  wrote:
> >
> >>>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>>>That's your categorization of what they speak, then, and thus your
> >>>>re-categorization of the little you have read of my speech fits nicely
> >>>>into that as it is a solopsistic definition.
> >
> >>>No, that is a reasonable inference based on the *content* of what
> >>>they say, including the repeated use of generic terms like "you
> >>>clones", "you liberals", "you race traitors", "you anti-whites"
> >>>to describe everyone who disagrees with them.
> >
> >>Isn't it the same with "anti-Semite" and "fascist": i.e. anyone I
> >>oppose for any reason? (High school jocks, being neither political
> >>nor very bright, use the term "fag" for the same purpose.)
> >
> >Perhaps if one has an adolescent mind, those sorts of labels might
> >seem appropriate.  I reserve the terms antisemite and fascist for
> >people who have earned them.  Similarly, I reserve the label Nazi
> >for those who were members of the NSDAP and/or subscribed to its
> >racist political philosophy, and neo-Nazi for those today who
> >espouse and/or spout virtually identical views.
> >
> >>    It's merely practical Orwell: "us" vrs. "them" -- Don't be late
> >>for the Five-Minute Hate! The "enemy" is totally relavistic: that's
> >>why history has to be periodically rewritten--and entrenched interests
> >>do all they can to prevent that from occuring.
> >>   "Neo-Nazi" or "Nazi-clone" is--_mutatis mutandis_--the same as
> >>"fag" for the high school jock (or "Denier" for Big Debbie): the
> >>_goy_, the "infidel." If one remembers that the words host and hostile
> >>come from the same Latin root-word (_hostes_, meaning both stranger
> >>and enemy), he gets a much clearer picture as to how the psyche works.
> >
> >>Maybe one would prefer something else, but that "something else"
> >>wouldn't be human.
> >
> >Unlike you, I believe that humans are capable of seeing shades of grey,
> >and of seeing complexities and depth, and not just superficial and
> >simplistic categories.
> >
> >
> >"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
> >          Emma Goldman
> >
> Sweathard, you can kick up your heels to "Hava Hagila" any time,
>         and don't let THEM tell you otherwise!
> 
> (Whatever happened to the Jacobites? Nobody ever talks about the
>         Jacobites! Must have fallen down the Memory Hole.)


WHICH Jacobites?

 
> =================================================================
> 
> MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
>       "Ursus Major"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 15 10:14:20 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <323B031E.733F@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker  writes:
> > If someone says all blacks should be done away with, does anyone
> > think any of our clones would say it wasn't genocide, because the "black
> > race" doesn't exist?
> 
> There is no such thing as the "black race". Only the human race. What you're
> referring to is only an ethnic variation.
> 
> >    Of course not.
> >    But they do insist that what they call the "white" race has to prove
> > it meets some kind of definitional nonsense to claim its right to
> > exist.  Some racists try to prove we are inherently superior in order to
> > justify our existence.
> 
> Excuse me, but you're *not* one of these racists?
> 
> >   The fact remains a fact: non-blacks are not pouring into Africa,
> > non-Mongoloids are not pouring into China or Japan.  The destruction of
> > one race by immigration and integration is ongoing, and the race is what
> > everybody knows is the white race.
> 
> The human race is doing just fine, thank you. Where the various ethnic
> variations are concerned, well, ethnic groups come and go. If all the
> caucasians (for example) vanished as a result of interbreeding, so what? Some
> new ethnic group would emerge instead.
> 
>         [blipp]
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html



   You're a good boy, aren't you?


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32352867.6A72@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Laura Finsten wrote:
>   :>
>   :> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>   :> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
>   :> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
>   :> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
>   :>
>   :> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
>   :> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
>   :> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
>   :> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?
>   :
>   :If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live
>   :in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement
>   :describing one's self as White, would one?
> 
> Again, this relies on a clear definition of white, which you have
> repeatedly failed to provide. If someone with one white and three black
> grandparents self-identifies as "white," he's in, right? And he could
> certainly, with a clear conscience, pledge to support the advancement of
> the "white race" of which he feels himself a part.
> 
> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
> Trust me."
> argument again, isn't it?
> 
> And since you resort to spelling flames below, it's "oneself," not "one's self".
> 
>   :>  I mean
>   :> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
>   :> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
>   :> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
>   :
>   :If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.
> 
> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
> 
> This is nothing more or less than a rewording of the "porn actors, et. al.
> aren't really white" argument Les Griswold tried to sell. It comes back
> once again to the "everybody knows" standard, and the end result is "give
> us absolute power, and we'll work out the details later."
> 
> No thanks. It's been tried, and it didn't work out too well.
    


    Oh, yes!   True clone originality.  He's talking about "It was tried
once-- in Nazi Germany."
    That means -- truly original -- that we who do not accept his
melting pot are all Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.


> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <32352867.6A72@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
>   :Laura Finsten wrote:
>   :>
>   :> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>   :> >I have stated repeatedly that, in my opinion, self-description and a
>   :> >pledge to support the survival and advancement of our race ought to be
>   :> >all that is needed for residence in a future White state.
>   :>
>   :> And for full rights of citizenship, Mr. Strom?  Would the pledge to
>   :> "support the survival and advancement of [the "White"] race" entail
>   :> agreement to limit the number of children or submit to sterilisation
>   :> if one were not a member of the "White race", Mr. Strom?
>   :
>   :If one were not a member of the White race, one would hardly want to live
>   :in a White racial state or be able to truthfully sign a statement
>   :describing one's self as White, would one?
> 
> Again, this relies on a clear definition of white, which you have
> repeatedly failed to provide. If someone with one white and three black
> grandparents self-identifies as "white," he's in, right? And he could
> certainly, with a clear conscience, pledge to support the advancement of
> the "white race" of which he feels himself a part.
> 
> If you're going to override that self-identification, there must be some
> standard, right? This is coming back to the "I know it when I see it.
> Trust me."
> argument again, isn't it?
> 
> And since you resort to spelling flames below, it's "oneself," not "one's self".
> 
>   :>  I mean
>   :> really, what if my "self-description" went something like this:  I think
>   :> of myself as "white", but I am a member of a synogogue.  Or does
>   :> belonging to a synogogue "not support the advancement of the "White race"?
>   :
>   :If a synogogue is the same as a synagogue, certainly.
> 
> How so? Could it be that you're introducing another out to allow yourself
> to be as arbitrary as you wish? If you're forced to adopt a clear standard
> for whiteness, you've still got the out of declaring any behavior you
> don't like to be detrimental to the white race.
> 
> This is nothing more or less than a rewording of the "porn actors, et. al.
> aren't really white" argument Les Griswold tried to sell. It comes back
> once again to the "everybody knows" standard, and the end result is "give
> us absolute power, and we'll work out the details later."
> 
> No thanks. It's been tried, and it didn't work out too well.
    


    Oh, yes!   True clone originality.  He's talking about "It was tried
once-- in Nazi Germany."
    That means -- truly original -- that we who do not accept his
melting pot are all Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.


> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 15 20:30:31 PDT 1996
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J.W.Nielson wrote:
> 
> > >  Have you ever heard of Crispus Attucks? A free black, he was
> > > >: the first person killed in the American war for independence. The US has *NEVER* been anything even close to all white.
> > >         Yeah right...........Crispus Attucks is just another creation of revisionist history to give blacks another hero besides that guy that invented peanut butter.
> 
> Crispus Attucks was a black freeman shot March 5, 1770 during the Boston
> Massacre. Four others also died that day, so Attucks may not have been
> the 1st killed, but was, at least, one of the 1st five. 'struth.
>  Now back to our regularly scheduled program.


    Actually, the British soldiers were acquitted for shooting those
five great heroes because they were a nasty mob.  The man who defended
those soldiers was one John Adams, second president of the United
States.   The American Revolution was not just a nasty mob, nor was the
riot that brought on the Boston Massacre part of their struggle.


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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
> 
> David R. Hooper (dave@kathoderay.org) wrote:
> :    Does anybody who subscribes the "white power" movement have an IQ over 70?
> 
> : --
> : KATHODE RAY MUSIC -- Radio promotion for independent musicians.
> 
> :  http://www.kathoderay.org/ or info@kathoderay.org for details
> 
> To answer your question, probably.  However, maybe not over 80.



    Are you clones trying to reassure each other AGAIN?


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep 16 23:01:37 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
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None of these clones ever has the slightest trouble with defining white
when they are insulting or atttacking the white race.  If anyuone says
anything  good about it, it becomes the "so-called white race".
    If anyone defends the white race, the answer of ll of them, as
befits clones, is DUHHHH!!!   This particular DUHHH!!!  means "What is
this so-called white race?"  As I say, in case of insulting whites or
demanding reparations, they know exactly who whites are, no problem.
    



Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <51g36e$m87@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> > In article ,
> jeff_brown@pol.com says...
> 
> > > [...deletia...]
> 
> > >Which genes, specifically, determine skin color?
> > >
> > Check for the author Cavalli-Sforza, and no, it is not mentioned in the
> > book "History and Geography of Human Genes."
> 
> In other words, "Stone" either doesn't know, or prefers to remain vague in
> order to give himself room to maneuver.
> 
> > >> 2.  The skull shape is that of longhead of Mediterranean or Nordic stock.
> > >>     Appropriate facial angle, and within an acceptable cephalic index.
> > >>     Also includes the jaw shape, structure and teeth.
> > >
> > >What is an 'appropriate facial angle'?
> > >
> > >What is 'an acceptable cephalic index'?
> > >
> > >What 'jaw shape' is part of the 'White' definition?
> > >
> > All details I have given before in the dim past.
> >
> > Facial Angle: around 82 degrees.
> 
> "Stone's" vagueness continues, unabated.
> 
> > Cephalic Index:  check any pre-Boas and some modern anthropology texts.
> > Look for such terms as dolichocephalic or longhead.  These terms are still
> > used in modern (establishment) texts, e.g.,
> 
> "Stone" provides another evasion in response to another direct question.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > Jaw shape:  Either consult a non-liberal (need not be racist) dentist or
> > perhaps you can persuade yourself to read, "Nature", vol. 228, by W.G.
> > Kinsey, Department of Anthropology, University of California.
> 
> "Stone" provides another evasion in response to another direct question.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > >How is 'fine hair' defined?
> > >
> > >How does one quantify 'blonde, red and brunette'?
> > >
> > >How is hair classified as being between 'straight' and 'kinky'?
> > >
> > >How is 'reasonably hirsute' defined?
> > >
> >
> >                             *sigh*
> >
> > Here we go again on a recent argument about categories.
> >
> > Please feel free to investigate any physical anthropology book that uses
> > the term "race."
> 
> "Stone" provides another evasion in response to another direct question.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > >> 6.  Long nose.
> > >
> > >'Long' compared to what? 'Long' on what sort of scale?
> 
> "Stone" provides no answer at all, this time.
> 
> > >> 7.  Thinnish lips.
> > >
> > >'Thinnish'? Where does 'thinnish' leave off and 'thickish' begin?
> > >
> > Both details needing to be worked out to full definitions.  Drastic
> > contrasts can be easily identified between say an Englishman and an
> > Australian Aborigine discounting skin colour.  Fat lips and flat noses
> > are stereotypical of Negros, Polynesians, Melanesians and Australian
> > Aborigines.  Some half-breeds, such as Ethiopians, are classified as Negro
> > but lack these features (as a general rule).
> 
> "Stone" provides another evasion in response to another direct question.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > >> 8.  Highly developed frontal lobes and "wrinkling" of outer brain.
> > >
> > >How does one measure the 'development' of the frontal lobe? Which 'races'
> > >of man have a smooth outer brain?
> > >
> > The Negroid brain has quite a smooth outer brain and a retarded frontal
> > lobe (when compared to a White man).  It is quite easy to see the contrast.
> 
> What is quite easy to see is that "Stone" evaded completely the question
> of how one measures the 'development' of the frontal lobe. He also now
> injects the concept of a 'retarded frontal lobe' without bothering to
> define how one determine said 'retardedness'.
> 
> What is quite easy to see is the so-called "definition of the White race"
> disappearing under layer upon layer of vagueness and evasion.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > >> 9.  Other possibilities including: long fingers, fingerprints, earwax,
> > >> and proportions of the body, e.g., centre of gravity.
> > >
> > >'Other possibilites'? Apparently, "Stone's" definition of 'white' hasn't
> > >been completely worked out yet. How are we supposed to know whether
> > >someone is 'white' or not until it is determined how long their fingers
> > >have to be, what their fingerprints must look like, what color and
> > >viscosity of earwax they must have, and where their center of gravity has
> > >to be?
> > >
> > Please reconsider the title of the thread.  It does not say "Ourobouros'
> > precise definition of the White race" now does it?
> 
> No indeed -- and one wonders how "Stone" proposes to build the Great White
> State when he can't define with any precision whatsoever who he'll let in
> and who he'll lock out -- or worse.
> 
> > A lot of these points have been only briefly touched before, of more
> > recent has been the White Chinese mummy saga.  Mr. Mair who is in charge
> > of the archeological digs of these mummies mentions his regret of a
> > particular stone that had a fingerprint on it.  If they still had it they
> > could identify whether it was Caucasian or not.  Perhaps you delibrately
> > miss details like this?  -- a WWW site was given with the information.
> 
> That's nice -- but it doesn't tell us what a 'white' fingerprint looks
> like. Does "Stone" know?
> 
> > NZ (Rugby) Sports commentators are fond of mentioning the superiority of
> > the Polynesian in Rugby due to their lower centre of gravity.
> 
> That's nice -- but it doesn't tell us where one's center of gravity has to
> be for "Stone" to accept one as "white". Does "Stone" know?
> 
> > Les Griswold
> > has propounded (disliked and belittled) information on earwax before.
> 
> That's nice -- but it doesn't tell us what properties one's earwax has to
> possess before "Stone" will accept one as "white". Does "Stone" know?
> 
> > One may assume that there is more than skin colour in racial difference,
> > despite the typical liberal stance.
> 
> One may assume most anything, if one is willing to propose a racial
> "definition" as vague and evasive as that "Stone" has provided us with.
> 
> > >> 10.  At some point in the future genetic distance maps visibly
> > >> demonstrating the White gene pool, as has vaguely being done by Cavalli-
> > >> Sforza and his team in "History and Geography of Human Genes", 1994.  For
> > >> a person to be White they will have to be within the appropriate area.
> > >
> > >'At some point in the future'? '[T]he appropriate area'? It seems that the
> > >Great White State will have a potent means of getting rid of
> > >troublemakers, regardless of how well they fit into the extremely vague
> > >categories heretofore enumerated. Just change the definition of 'White'
> > >and hey presto! You're outta here!
> > >
> > The Human Genome project has not been completed yet.  Offshoots of the
> > research, such as the aforementioned book, have revealed that there is
> > genetic distances between the races.  More detail is pending on more
> > published research.
> 
> That's nice -- but it still lets "Stone" change the definition of "White"
> at will.
> 
> > >> 11.  No known mongrelisation, eg., no nigger in the woodpile.
> > >
> > >As determined by whom? Are all of these oh-so-scientific measurements
> > >going to be available for everyone's ancestors, as well?
> > >
> > I am sure various geneological centres (such as the Mormon church) maybe
> > able to help.
> 
> One wonders how said geneological resources will help one determine who is
> and isn't "white" without a usable definition of "whiteness".
> 
> > >The devil is in the details, it is said. Truly, we expected better of New
> > >Zealand's finest scientific mind.
> > >
> > I never promised details, Mr. Brown, and even then you'd never accept them.
> > You'd want to keep re-defining categories as I can almost guarantee you
> > could never accept that a *racist* could be right -- as shown in your
> > recent knee-jerk and ego-damaged posts.
> 
> That's nice -- but how, one wonders, does my reaction to "Stone's"
> definition relieve him of the responsibility to promulgate a usable
> definition?
> 
> > >"[T]his definition will be expanded and become more precise"? I should
> > >hope so. There's enough imprecision in it as it stands to drive the
> > >proverbial Mack truck through. Given that, I would say that "Stone"
> > >_still_ has not defined the 'white race'.
> > >
> > >Perhaps "Stone" can work out these little details and come back to us when
> > >his "definition" has not quite so many loose ends.
> > >
> > It is what I call a start.  Considering that all these newsgroups to which
> > this thread is posted are supposed to have more affiliation with me, it
> > should be you who should come back when you have a worthwhile argument.
> 
> Ah, a useful tactic -- decide that a newsgroup is "affiliated" with your
> point of view, and that said "affiliation" confers upon your adversaries a
> responsibility for creating "worthwhile" arguments, whilst relieving you
> of said responsibility.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep 16 23:01:38 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.black
Subject: Re: GAS ALL RACIST FUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:26:21 -0400
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zoller@fls.infi.net wrote:
> 
> Jason Job  wrote:
> 
> >Deary me, what an intolerant nature you have - just as bad as
> >the racists themselves, don't you think?
> 
> >Just to piss you off - fuck the niggers, wogs, jews, asians,
> >any other ethnic group you can think of...
> 
> >squigger hops again!
> 
> just to piss YOU off
> Kill Whitey
> and yes..i AM a white man.
> but i understand our atrocities..
> and feel the need to pick a few of the white trash off.
> So *BAM* you're dead.
> go back to alt.idiot.nazi.losers


    At least you openly express your hatred for the white race, unlike
the PC clones, who say they want us done away with "for our own good".


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep 17 13:08:40 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:59:04 -0400
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Bob Holland wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote in article
> <323B031E.733F@conterra.com>...
> | If someone says all blacks should be done away with, does anyone
> | think any of our clones would say it wasn't genocide, because the "black
> | race" doesn't exist?
> 
> I think the point is that as one goes about deciding who is black to
> genocide
> (to use your example), what if that person doesnt agree with you that they
> are
> black (or white)?  Who decides?  It is the same with the definition of
> "white".
> What if I think I am white and can prove it by looks, even though maybe
> there is
> black in my ancestry?  If there is, how much makes me black?  What if there
> was hispanic?
> Or Spanish (some castillian spaniards are whiter than anglos)?  Who
> decides?
> 
> |    Of course not.
> |    But they do insist that what they call the "white" race has to prove
> | it meets some kind of definitional nonsense to claim its right to
> | exist.  Some racists try to prove we are inherently superior in order to
> | justify our existence.
> 
> Who says that you have to meet some definition to justify your existence.
> As much as
> it pains me, I believe you exist.  Se the above point.  By who's definition
> do you define
> whites for distinction (or extinction, if you take it far enough) purposes?
>  And what if I dont
> agree with the category you have chosen for me?  Look at the details of
> aparteid if you dont
> believe that this can get to be ludicrous.  Japanese were honorary
> "whites", as well as visiting
> "black" performers.  Whatever the law said.
> 
> |   The fact remains a fact: non-blacks are not pouring into Africa,
> | non-Mongoloids are not pouring into China or Japan.  The destruction of
> | one race by immigration and integration is ongoing, and the race is what
> | everybody knows is the white race.  Yes, what "everybody knows" does
> | matter, otherwise no discussion is possible.
> 
> Do you figure that if you keep saying it, its going to get truer?
> 
> |No rational discussion can
> | take place if every talk gets bogged down in arguements about the wave
> | length of "red" or how much bigger than means bigger than or some other
> | such theological nonsense.
> |      Genocide is a VERY serious business.  These clones are playing a
> | nasty little game.
> 
> But if my life depends on the wavelength of red, you damn well better get
> it right.  No rule

> of thumb here.
> 
> BLH
> |


      You have presented a perfect example of the kind of crap I was
talking about.
      Your Mommy Professor taught you how to do a great job of mental
tapdancing, but white is still white, black is still black, and genocide
is still genocide.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Mongolian Asiatics have coarse and straight hair, unless of course you mean
> > an Asian to be Chinks/gooks,
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > The body odour is not the same between Europeans and Africans.  The famed
> > nigger smell would point to the complete opposite.
> 
> You know, you have to love someone who tries to make this impressive
> position with facts and so on and then throws "chinks" "gooks" and
> "niggers" in it.
> 
> Just screams of objectivity it does.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

     All traitors claim they are just being objective.  We racists are
not traitors.


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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Mongolian Asiatics have coarse and straight hair, unless of course you mean
> > an Asian to be Chinks/gooks,
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > The body odour is not the same between Europeans and Africans.  The famed
> > nigger smell would point to the complete opposite.
> 
> You know, you have to love someone who tries to make this impressive
> position with facts and so on and then throws "chinks" "gooks" and
> "niggers" in it.
> 
> Just screams of objectivity it does.
> 
> --
> Keith Morrison
> t08o@unb.ca

     All traitors claim they are just being objective.  We racists are
not traitors.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
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Remember that waht we are talking about is the fact that when so-called
anti0racists talk about solving the "race" problem, they mean solving
the white problem.  The only countries being massively invaded by
immigrants of another race are white majority countries.  
   No "anti-racist" insists that Asia ever be anything but Mongoloid or
that Africa ever be anything but black.  Their sole interest is that
white coutnries MUST become brown.
   There can be no choice for whites, because whites end up congregating
in as white an environment as possible.  
    Now, when we realize all this, Lund look as ridiculous as he is,
because he is implying that whites who are concerned about the white
race are dehumanizing everybody else and doing other awful things to
them.   He tells us they're human, too, and the like, as if we had
disputed this.
    We are concerned about the disappearance of our own race.  The only
way to discredit such a normal concern is to go hysterical, and to
broadly hint that anyone who shows such concern is A Nazi Who Wants To
Kill Six Million Jews.
    Lund is what I call a Good Boy.  He takes the only side which is
fully legal under his country's Hate Laws.  He repeats the line his
government pushes, the only allowable position which he knows has been
drummed into him .
    The problem with the Good Boy is that he is as obedient as this
under every regime.  If Hitler had won, he would be a Good Boy
Quisling.  Under Stalin, he would be all for massacreing the Class Enemy
Ukrainian peasants.  In 1970 East Germany, he would be obediently
reporting people who were trying to escape.
    A Good Boy is OK in the one case where his government happens to
really represent The Only True Faith.  Today, doing away with the white
race happens to be Lund's True Faith, and all challenge to that Truth is
Evil
    That is the attitude of every generation of Good Boys.  




Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <51hjgj$ihe@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros writes:
> > In article <51gnna$m2@gyda.ifi.uio.no>, christop@ifi.uio.no says...
> 
>         [snip]
> 
> > >Oh, there's been no end of definitions of "white". It's just that these
> > >definitions are vague and contradictionary. The latter because one racist's
> > >definition of "white" excludes other racists who concider themself to be
> > >"white".
> > >
> > Not to so many of you anti-racists.  It is a recurring theme that we have
> > given no definition of the White race.
> 
> No useful definitions, anyway.
> 
>         [snip]
> 
> > >> 2.  The skull shape is that of longhead of Mediterranean or Nordic stock.
> > >>     Appropriate facial angle, and within an acceptable cephalic index.
> > >>     Also includes the jaw shape, structure and teeth.
> > >
> > >So if you don't have a "longhead" skull, you're not "white". Very well. You've
> > >just excluded large portions of the European population. Including my youngest
> > >brother.
> > >
> > I am well aware of the European population, and no, the European race /=
> > White race.
> 
> So if you only have European ancestors, you're white?
> 
> > Unless your brother is a cripple or something like it, yes he is not white.
> 
> He is definitly not a cripple. But he is blond, has blue eyes, and does not
> stand out from the Norwegian population.
> 
> > It would also put serious doubts upon you as well.
> 
> Did it never dawned on you that Euros do not look all exactly alike? We're not
> clones, you know. Some Euros have "long" heads, like myself, others have
> "round" heads, like my brother.
> 
>         [snip]
> 
> > >> 6.  Long nose.
> > >
> > >As compared to what? I've seen Africans with longer noses than... say, some of
> > >the people in the same room I'm in. And I'm talking of the so-called "whites".
> > >
> > zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz
> 
> And what's that supposed to mean? Speaking of long noses; I thought a long nose
> was something one only found in the stereotypical Jew (*real* Jews are another
> thing)...
> 
> > >> 7.  Thinnish lips.
> > >
> > >Uh huh. That would be a surprise to many Northern Europeans. I guess I'm not
> > >"white" either. Mind you, I can trace my ancestry back to the late 1300's.
> > >Only Europeans there.
> > >Also, when I was in the army, I had to live with an extremely racistic moron
> > >for the better part of nine months. One of his favourite phantasies was
> > >chopping the head of each and every "nigger" in Africa. This guy had
> > >"thickish" lips. I wish I could have shown him your definition of "white".
> > >
> > These thick lips, do they come close to the stereotypical nigger?
> 
> The stereotypical "nigger" has lips remniscent of a folded bicycle tube dipped
> in red paint. I've never seen lips like that on a living being, human or non-.
> 
> But I don't care what the stereotypes are; this is about real humans.
> 
> > BTW, your above Negroes are most probably half-breeds, such as the
> > Ethiopians.
> 
> So how far south do you have to go before you get to the "purebreeds". Where
> do you draw the line between "half-bred" and "purebred"? I'm talking geography
> here, not Euros in the woodpile.
> 
> > >> 8.  Highly developed frontal lobes and "wrinkling" of outer brain.
> > >
> > >*All* humans are like that, except for some unfortunate individuals (of *any*
> > >ethnic group).
> > >
> > Consider the term "comparative."
> 
> Uh huh.
> 
> > A Chimpanzee has almost none, an Australian Aborigine has a bit more,
> > a African Negro has even more, but all are small and retarded compared to
> > the White man.
> 
> Do you have *any* evidence to support these claims? I think not. During WWII,
> the nazi doctors were trying to find conclusive evidence, proving once and for
> all, that the germanic "race" was supiriour to the others. They failed.
> 
> > Pathologists are supposed to be able to identify race on the brain, as
> > Enoch Powell forced a police pathologist to admit in the UK back in the
> > 70s.
> 
> But does this identification rely on the "development of the frontal lobes and
> wrinkling of the outer brain"? Or rather on skull shape due to ethnic
> variations?
> 
> > >> 9.  Other possibilities including: long fingers,
> > >
> > >I know many "whites" with short fingers.
> > >
> > Comparatively speaking.
> 
> So just how short do these fingers have to be? 3 cm? 2 cm?.
> 
> >  You must remember that I am contrasting a lot of
> > these definitions with the other races.  You should find an absence of
> > stubby, negro & polynesian fingers in the White race.
> 
>         [I make a quick scan of the room. Notice the hands of a "nigger"]
> 
> This guy's fingers are as long as mine. And mine are average when compared to
> others of the "white race".
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > >> 10.  At some point in the future genetic distance maps visibly
> > >> demonstrating the White gene pool,
> > >
> > >Or demonstrating how ridiculous the whole "race" debate is once and for all.
> > >
> > >> as has vaguely being done by Cavalli-
> > >> Sforza and his team in "History and Geography of Human Genes", 1994.  For
> > >> a person to be White they will have to be within the appropriate area.
> > >
> > >Phhhht.
> > >
> > BTW, Miss "Finsten" admires Cavalli-Sforza,
> 
> I noticed that Finsten made some very interesting comments on your above
> statement. I'll leave it at that.
> 
> > and you are?
> 
> Huh?
> 
> > >> 11.  No known mongrelisation, eg., no nigger in the woodpile.
> > >
> > >We all came out of Africa, you know...
> > >Dig deep enough in your own "woodpile", and you'll probably find a few
> > >"niggers" yourself.
> > >
> > Prove we came out of Africa.
> 
> May I refer you to a newsgroup called sci.bio.paleontology? They'll bury you
> in evidence. I'd give you a bunch of links to follow, but Metacrawler seems to
> be down at the moment, so the only link I can give you at the moment is:
> 
>         http://earth.ics.uci.edu:8080/
> 
> I'll call you back on this, if it's important you you.
> 
> Are you by any chance a Creationist?
> 
> >  And do explain how the Australian Aborigine
> > managed to get to Australia in your African theory/"proof."
> 
> Have you ever heard of boats?
> 
> > Ourobouros.
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Sep 18 20:03:41 PDT 1996
Article: 30088 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
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Ursus Major wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >
> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >
> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >
> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >rapidly.
> >
> >With all good wishes,
> >
> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >--
> >
> >
> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>         "Ursus Major"


     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
movement, which
has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
    The Southern League has a net page:
    http://www.dixienet.org/


From bwhit@conterra.com Wed Sep 18 20:04:05 PDT 1996
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Ursus Major wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >
> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >
> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >
> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >rapidly.
> >
> >With all good wishes,
> >
> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >--
> >
> >
> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>         "Ursus Major"


     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
movement, which
has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
    The Southern League has a net page:
    http://www.dixienet.org/


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 07:41:03 PDT 1996
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To: Stefan Schneider 

This Schneider is what I call a Good Boy.  He denounces Thought
Crimes today, as he has been taught to do.  In Hitler's Germany, he
would have been denouncing Jews, and under Stalin he would be informing
on people for the Gulag.  
     These Good Boys are among those Germans falling all over each other
to "forgive and forget" the past when East German guards were shooting
mere Germans and holding about fifteen million of them behind barbed
wire.  
      That's OK, Schneider doesn't give a damn about murdered Germans.  
After all, they told him that worrying about Germans would make him A
Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews, and he, being a Good Boy,
believes it.
      Neither Hitler nor Stalin nor any other mass murderer could have
done anything with these Good Boys.
      So now this Good Boy is denouncing Thought Criminals. The Good Boy
supports every tyranny,right or left, but he is consistent in being
always for the tyrant.  







Stefan Schneider wrote:
> 
> In article <51f5l6$prv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt
> Stele) wrote:
> >
> >s.schneider@rz.uni-sb.de (Stefan Schneider) wrote:
> [snip]
> >>Things are getting severe if that person tries to organize a political
> >>party that tries to install any kind of organization, that might be a
> >>threat to our constitutional status. It's exactly as you say: _MOST_
> >>people in germany easily understand the difference between political
> >>suppression and crime prevention. That's why there are only about 0.0125
> >>percent of the whole population, that ever had some trouble with that
> >>law. Consider that
> >
> >I doubt if the number is that small, Stefan.  If you obtained it from
> >the number of people who have been so far imprisoned for thoughtcrime,
> >you are misled. That a law is obeyed is no indication of its popularity.
> 
> Feel free to doubt whatever you like. That doesn't change reality.
> 
> >I would wager that more people than you would like to think find the
> >thoughtcrime laws in Germany are a disgrace and a hypocritical sham used
> >to protect the Jewish "Holocaust" a scrutiny it could not otherwise
> >withstand. Revisionism is spreading underground in Germany.
> 
> Right. Very few people that refuse to see the truth are dreaming their
> dream of a new rise of old times they refer to as having been glorious and
> golden. But they can't do that in public because of that law. That's
> great, because they can't molest me with their bullshit.
> 
> >If man Germans could have their way (i.e., vote on it), they would
> >probably do away with those laws altogether.  Lord knows the Germans are
> >sick and tired of paying more guilt-shekels to fatcat Jewboys.
> 
> You obviously dream that dream as well. What most people in germany think
> is in fact, that revisionists are assholes, that resist to accept simple
> facts. Goldhagen made a little tour through some german cities and joined
> public discussions about his book. He experienced lots of sympathy for his
> book from the people attending those discussions. That is the majority. It
> is very simple to explain that: As many of the revisionists often say,
> truth can't be withhold. That's why revisionism hasn't got the slightest
> chance to ever get anything other than a bunch of whining revisionist's
> 
> hobby.
> 
> Stefan Schneider
> --
>                   *s.schneider@rz.uni-sb.de*


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 07:59:20 PDT 1996
Article: 30159 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Bill Gates wrote:
> 
> Biil Gates wrote:
> 
> Liberalistics rule !!!!!

   The ultimate limousine liberal.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 07:59:51 PDT 1996
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Bill Gates wrote:
> 
> Biil Gates wrote:
> 
> Liberalistics rule !!!!!

   The ultimate limousine liberal.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 08:20:09 PDT 1996
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Ursus Major wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >
> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >
> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >
> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >rapidly.
> >
> >With all good wishes,
> >
> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >--
> >
> >
> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>         "Ursus Major"


     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
movement, which
has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
    The Southern League has a net page:
    http://www.dixienet.org/


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 08:20:10 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Bill Gates wrote:
> 
> Biil Gates wrote:
> 
> Liberalistics rule !!!!!

   The ultimate limousine liberal.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 08:22:34 PDT 1996
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Ursus Major wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >
> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >
> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >
> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >rapidly.
> >
> >With all good wishes,
> >
> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >--
> >
> >
> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>         "Ursus Major"


     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
movement, which
has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
    The Southern League has a net page:
    http://www.dixienet.org/


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 08:22:35 PDT 1996
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Bill Gates wrote:
> 
> Biil Gates wrote:
> 
> Liberalistics rule !!!!!

   The ultimate limousine liberal.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 19 16:41:09 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism (was Re: Milton Kleim)
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> > See Rosenburg's reply below, broadly implying, at least, that I'm
> > a Nazi.  It was written at about the same time you wrote your note.
> 
> Mr. Whitaker, my name is not Joel Rosenberg.  I guess you hadn't noticed
> that.
> 
> >        When you are called on it, you clones always deny you say anyone
> > who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Calling Joel Rosenberg does just that - it calls Joel Rosenberg on it.
> I find it strange, hypocritical and a few other things that you might
> want to discuss with your doctor that you feel perfectly comfortable
> ascribing the motives of one or two people to everyone here who has
> stated disagreement with you about anything WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
> professing utter horror at being associated with the ideologies of
> those with whom you yourself *have* expressed agreement, such as
> Les Griswold.  Now try to get your neurons fired up long enough to
> grasp that, Mr. Whitaker.  If you have a problem with Joel Rosenberg,
> take it up with him.
> 
> > Later you go right back to calling anyone you disagree with A Nazi Who
> > Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  But here you are denying it  and
> > Rosenburg is doing it at the same time.
> 
> Perhaps part of your confusion arises over the meaning of the pronoun
> "you" in this context.  Let me try to explain it to you.  Here, I presume
> by "you" you mean the singular, and are referring to me, individually.
> I am not Joel Rosenberg, Mr. Whitaker.  I have no control over what Joel
> Rosenberg says, thinks, writes, or posts.  Do you understand that, Mr.
> Whitaker?  *I* have not called you a Nazi.  I am not calling you a Nazi.
> I think you are a demented sot, but that is irrelevant, I suppose.
> 
> >        You could do the "I never say Nazi...you're a Nazi!" tapdance
> 
> Despite my signature, I'm not a very good dancer, and I never did take
> tap dance lessons (not that I ever wanted to, either).
> Let me paraphrase your quotation to make it more accurate:  Laura never says
> Nazi...Joel implies Bob Whitaker is a Nazi.  There are two different actors
> in that sentence.  You seem to think all the folks here who disagree with
> you are communicating with each other in order to work together against you.
> Are you perhaps a touch paranoid, Mr. Whitaker?  I have communicated only a
> couple of times with other current regular posters on this newsgroups,
> privately, and never about you.  Maybe all the rest of them are in cahoots,
> but if that's true, I'm not part of the caboodle.
> 
> > when you were in a Politically Correct environment and could control the
> > timing.  On the net, you clones are going  to have to coordinate better.
> 
> You are assuming that we "are coordinated", if perhaps poorly.

   No, I didn't say you were coordinated.   I said quite specifically
that you normally do not need to coordinate, since you anti-whitea re in
such absolute control of every means of communication and every academic
institution that you never have to fear being called on anything.   You
could say both "I never say Nazi" and "Nazi!" and no one is ever allowed
to point out your contraditions.  
   But this is the internet, and free speech exists not only in theory
as it does in your usual world, but in fact, because we have access. 
When you and Rosenburg say "I never say Nazi" and "Nazi!" at the same
time, and someone is not only allowed to call you on it, but has real
access to do so, then you clones have to stop depending on your control
and start coordinating.
   There is certainly no reason why a bunch of unquestioning clones
trained in our clone factories would normally need to coordinate
anything.  You will all chorus nicely without, as anyone can see reading
your comments.  You ARE hard to tell apart.
    Part of the Politically Correct clone training is to teach them to
say "I am a true individualist and all my opinions I thought of myself
and so did the others."  You for sure believe it, or you wouldn't be a
good PC clone.   With that and absolute control of the media, actual
coordination is not only unnecessary, it would damage you rdelusion that
you area some kind of free thinker.
    But on the net, you're going need some coordination.  Why don't you
call it "collective individuality"?  
   



  We aren't.
> That's part of the problem.  We're just individual folks who share some
> perspectives in common, and probably would disagree on a lot of things,
> not part of some collective.  Are you part of a collective, Mr. Whitaker?
> Do you belong to some organisation like the National Alliance?
> 
> >   Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> > > Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> > >
> > > >   But what about the official line that Hitler was only bad because he
> > > >was a racist?  All I ever hear is that racist=Nazi, and that socialism
> > > >does not equal Communism.
> > >
> > > This is all you hear because you haven't been taking your medication
> > > again, apparently, Mr. Whitaker and those voices in your head are
> > > making it impossible for you to read with comprehension the words
> > > of those you are "debating" with.
> > >
> > > >   Since you do not insist that racism is Nazism, doesn't that make you
> > > >a Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews?
> > >
> > > Only in your mind.
> > >
> > > "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
> > >           Emma Goldman
> >


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This idiot is saying taht we can sure as hell believe what this
German said, it was all true and like it was.  Why?  
    Because he wrote it in a Polish prison with uniformed Polish guards
standing by him.
    Is this guy a retard or what?




rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Chuck Ferree  writes:
> >  Chuck Ferree writes:
> >
> >  I said that Commandant Ho"ss wrote his memoris in the English
> >  language.
> >
> >  I was mistaken. I apologize to all for the error. Ho"ss wrote his
> >  memoris in German, just as Mark Van Alstine states.
> >
> >  This fact does nothing to change or diminish the value of the former
> >  commandant of Auschwitz writings, since they were written my him
> >  personally by hand while in a Polish prison. The translation was done
> >  by several qualified people, under the supervision of Polish State
> >  Officials. Ho'ss was executed by the Polish Government, but not
> >  immediately after he had completed his writings.
> >  No one has proven that Commandant Ho"ss lied or held anything back. He
> >  told it like it was. He told it like it happened, gassings and all.
> >  Chuck
> >  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>>>
> Just like he wrote of a mythical camp named "Wolzek" and gave a figure of 2.5 million
> gassed.  What's wrong with this picture?


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <323F3ABB.10B2@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :Remember that waht we are talking about is the fact that when so-called
>   :anti0racists talk about solving the "race" problem, they mean solving
>   :the white problem.
> 
> Remember that Whitaker has never, since his appearance in this group,
> argued with anyone but himself. He constructs ludicrous caricatures of
> opposing arguments, "refutes" them, and declares himself the winner. One
> wonders why he has to do this with the rest of us present.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


   You clones keep saying this, and I keep pointing out that I'm talking
over your heads to people capable of understanding what I am saying.
   Politically Correct clones, with whom I have been dealing for
decades, are absolutely unteachable.  They believe that they are the
only educated people, and everybody else is, as they put it, "inbred
trailer trash".   They are not only ignorant, but militantly ignorant.


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To: "Jeffrey G. Brown" 

You are the one who wants to make sure there is no piece of ground
anywhere on earth where a white person can live with other whites. 
After all, that preference does not have your approval, so it must be
crushed.
    It must be crushed because you know damn well that if people do what
they're allowed to do, whites will flock to white areas, despite all
your prattle about how everybody really NEEDS to live in your prescribed
multiracialism.  By "everybody", of course, you mean all white people.
    The only definition that matters here is what a person considers
white and with whom he wants to live.   Like all tyrants, you want to
give us "objective standards".  Tyrants, like traitors, always claim
that they are merely being objectve.
     The potential tyrant and the traitor always say they are only doing
something to us for our own good.
     You're both. 








Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <51lflq$db9@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> > In article ,
> jeff_brown@pol.com says...
> > >
> > >In article <51f7gp$cl4@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >The devil is in the details, it is said. Truly, we expected better of New
> > >Zealand's finest scientific mind.
> > >
> > >"[T]his definition will be expanded and become more precise"? I should
> > >hope so. There's enough imprecision in it as it stands to drive the
> > >proverbial Mack truck through. Given that, I would say that "Stone"
> > >_still_ has not defined the 'white race'.
> > >
> > >Perhaps "Stone" can work out these little details and come back to us when
> > >his "definition" has not quite so many loose ends.
> > >
> > Could you be precise about the proverbial Mack Truck, "Brown"?
> >
> > Just which proverbial Mack Truck is it?
> >
> > Where is the proverbial Mack Truck?
> >
> > The dimensions of the proverbial Mack Truck?
> >
> > Do be sure to cite references.  The devil is the details, it is said.
> >
> > Don't forget to give us a working definition of a New Zealand scientific
> > mind as well.
> 
> As "Stone" himself would say:
> 
>   "*sigh*  Is this worth a response?"
> 
> "Stone" has offered a "definition" of the "White" race that is vague,
> imprecise, and under which it would be impossible to determine the
> "Whiteness" of any given individual. Let someone point this out, however,
> and "Stone" merely whines that the arguments are "returning to... old and
> useless standards".
> 
> It is "Stone's" definition that is "useless".
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 10:06:38 PDT 1996
Article: 30320 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism (was Re: Milton Kleim)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:08:52 -0400
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See Rosenburg's reply below, broadly implying, at least, that I'm
a Nazi.  It was written at about the same time you wrote your note.
       When you are called on it, you clones always deny you say anyone
who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.   
Later you go right back to calling anyone you disagree with A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  But here you are denying it  and
Rosenburg is doing it at the same time.
       You could do the "I never say Nazi...you're a Nazi!" tapdance
when you were in a Politically Correct environment and could control the
timing.  On the net, you clones are going  to have to coordinate better.




  Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >   But what about the official line that Hitler was only bad because he
> >was a racist?  All I ever hear is that racist=Nazi, and that socialism
> >does not equal Communism.
> 
> This is all you hear because you haven't been taking your medication
> again, apparently, Mr. Whitaker and those voices in your head are
> making it impossible for you to read with comprehension the words
> of those you are "debating" with.
> 
> >   Since you do not insist that racism is Nazism, doesn't that make you
> >a Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews?
> 
> Only in your mind.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 10:53:44 PDT 1996
Article: 43870 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:03:59 -0400
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <324053EB.4297@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :Andy Walton wrote:
>   :> No. It means that people who want to forcibly remove people of different
>   :> races by means up to and including killing them, and who advocate an
>   :> absolutist government to accomplish this, are Nazis.
> 
>   :   I can't imagine anyone intelligent taking this piece of sophistry
>   :seriously.
> 
> Sophistry? Those who support the program of the National Socialist German
> Worker's Party (NDSAP) are Nazis. Could any standard be clearer? Could an
> appellation be fairer?
> 
> Absent a declaration that "I am a nazi," if I call anyone such, the burden
> is on me to justify the use of far-too-often-used term. I did so above.
> 
>   :We are concerned about the white race.  As I said, in order
>   :to denounce this natural concern, you clones have to go ballistic.
>   :   So when Strom denied your orthodoxy, part of your reply, as usual,
>   :was that he was advocating Nazism, which had been tried once.
> 
> He advocated the forcible removal of "undesirables," as defined by him.
> The parallels to National Socialist Germany are not only fair, but
> unavoidable.
> 
>    You are
>   :saying what you always say(until someone calls you on it, then y ou deny
>   :it, as above):
> 
> In response to your first post on this newsgroup, I made my criteria for
> calling someone a "Nazi" perfectly clear. I have not deviated from those
> criteria. Your tactic seems to be to advocate nazism, or to step in to
> defend someone who does, and then complain that you're being labelled a
> nazi.
> 
>   :anyone who expresses any concern about white people being
>   :immigrated and integrated out of existence is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill
>   :Six Million Jews.
> 
> Only if "expressing concern", by definition, means advocating the forcible
> deportation of anyone you don't like.
> 
>   :    Anyone who wants ANY whites to be allowed to escape your program of
>   :immigration and integration is, according to what you apparently
>   :actually consider to be shrew veiled inferences -- clones are not too
>   :sharp -- A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Nonsense. If all you want is to "escape," I won't hold you back. Don't let
> the door hit you in the ass on the way out. When you want to eliminate
> others from land you claim as "white land," you cross the line.
> 
>    That's nuts, but
>   :you always end of saying
> 
> In English, please.
> 
>   :     As I said, the reason you always end up saying this is because, in
>   :order to get all whites to accept your program against natural feelings,
>   :you have to use total control.  That means what you say has to end up
>   :being hysterical.
> 
> Hysterical? If you find this hysterical, you must consider Pat Boone to be
> heavy metal.
> 
>   :     That is because, if you are forced to talk about the real world in
>   :plain English, what you demanding is outrageous and vicious.
> 
> I oppose forcing people from their homes to satisfy an ill-defined,
> arbitrary notion of "racial purity." How much plainer can my English be?
> And which side of that argument is outrageous and vicious?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus

     Forcing people from their homes?  So if any whites on earth are
allowed to define themselves and lvie to themselves, even in wholly new
communities, that constitutes forcing nonwhites from their homes, which
means they're Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.
     Yea, sure.
     You have to trap whites, or they won't dwht you want them to.  It's
OK for Africa to be for Africans and Asia for Asians, but by God you
want Whitey chased down.  If he isn't chased down, it's now "driving
people from their home". and THAT is only advocated by A Nazi Who Wants
To Kill Six Million Jews.
     You used to have the same sort of argument in religion: let a few
people dissent on religion, and not only will they be damned, but they
will influence others to abandon the Truth.
     It's the standard tyrant's argument.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 10:53:45 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism (was Re: Milton Kleim)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:08:52 -0400
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See Rosenburg's reply below, broadly implying, at least, that I'm
a Nazi.  It was written at about the same time you wrote your note.
       When you are called on it, you clones always deny you say anyone
who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.   
Later you go right back to calling anyone you disagree with A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  But here you are denying it  and
Rosenburg is doing it at the same time.
       You could do the "I never say Nazi...you're a Nazi!" tapdance
when you were in a Politically Correct environment and could control the
timing.  On the net, you clones are going  to have to coordinate better.




  Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >   But what about the official line that Hitler was only bad because he
> >was a racist?  All I ever hear is that racist=Nazi, and that socialism
> >does not equal Communism.
> 
> This is all you hear because you haven't been taking your medication
> again, apparently, Mr. Whitaker and those voices in your head are
> making it impossible for you to read with comprehension the words
> of those you are "debating" with.
> 
> >   Since you do not insist that racism is Nazism, doesn't that make you
> >a Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews?
> 
> Only in your mind.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 10:56:48 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <324053EB.4297@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :Andy Walton wrote:
>   :> No. It means that people who want to forcibly remove people of different
>   :> races by means up to and including killing them, and who advocate an
>   :> absolutist government to accomplish this, are Nazis.
> 
>   :   I can't imagine anyone intelligent taking this piece of sophistry
>   :seriously.
> 
> Sophistry? Those who support the program of the National Socialist German
> Worker's Party (NDSAP) are Nazis. Could any standard be clearer? Could an
> appellation be fairer?
> 
> Absent a declaration that "I am a nazi," if I call anyone such, the burden
> is on me to justify the use of far-too-often-used term. I did so above.
> 
>   :We are concerned about the white race.  As I said, in order
>   :to denounce this natural concern, you clones have to go ballistic.
>   :   So when Strom denied your orthodoxy, part of your reply, as usual,
>   :was that he was advocating Nazism, which had been tried once.
> 
> He advocated the forcible removal of "undesirables," as defined by him.
> The parallels to National Socialist Germany are not only fair, but
> unavoidable.
> 
>    You are
>   :saying what you always say(until someone calls you on it, then y ou deny
>   :it, as above):
> 
> In response to your first post on this newsgroup, I made my criteria for
> calling someone a "Nazi" perfectly clear. I have not deviated from those
> criteria. Your tactic seems to be to advocate nazism, or to step in to
> defend someone who does, and then complain that you're being labelled a
> nazi.
> 
>   :anyone who expresses any concern about white people being
>   :immigrated and integrated out of existence is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill
>   :Six Million Jews.
> 
> Only if "expressing concern", by definition, means advocating the forcible
> deportation of anyone you don't like.
> 
>   :    Anyone who wants ANY whites to be allowed to escape your program of
>   :immigration and integration is, according to what you apparently
>   :actually consider to be shrew veiled inferences -- clones are not too
>   :sharp -- A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Nonsense. If all you want is to "escape," I won't hold you back. Don't let
> the door hit you in the ass on the way out. When you want to eliminate
> others from land you claim as "white land," you cross the line.
> 
>    That's nuts, but
>   :you always end of saying
> 
> In English, please.
> 
>   :     As I said, the reason you always end up saying this is because, in
>   :order to get all whites to accept your program against natural feelings,
>   :you have to use total control.  That means what you say has to end up
>   :being hysterical.
> 
> Hysterical? If you find this hysterical, you must consider Pat Boone to be
> heavy metal.
> 
>   :     That is because, if you are forced to talk about the real world in
>   :plain English, what you demanding is outrageous and vicious.
> 
> I oppose forcing people from their homes to satisfy an ill-defined,
> arbitrary notion of "racial purity." How much plainer can my English be?
> And which side of that argument is outrageous and vicious?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus

     Forcing people from their homes?  So if any whites on earth are
allowed to define themselves and lvie to themselves, even in wholly new
communities, that constitutes forcing nonwhites from their homes, which
means they're Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.
     Yea, sure.
     You have to trap whites, or they won't dwht you want them to.  It's
OK for Africa to be for Africans and Asia for Asians, but by God you
want Whitey chased down.  If he isn't chased down, it's now "driving
people from their home". and THAT is only advocated by A Nazi Who Wants
To Kill Six Million Jews.
     You used to have the same sort of argument in religion: let a few
people dissent on religion, and not only will they be damned, but they
will influence others to abandon the Truth.
     It's the standard tyrant's argument.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 11:46:36 PDT 1996
Article: 67082 of alt.revisionism
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism (was Re: Milton Kleim)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:08:52 -0400
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See Rosenburg's reply below, broadly implying, at least, that I'm
a Nazi.  It was written at about the same time you wrote your note.
       When you are called on it, you clones always deny you say anyone
who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.   
Later you go right back to calling anyone you disagree with A Nazi Who
Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  But here you are denying it  and
Rosenburg is doing it at the same time.
       You could do the "I never say Nazi...you're a Nazi!" tapdance
when you were in a Politically Correct environment and could control the
timing.  On the net, you clones are going  to have to coordinate better.




  Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >   But what about the official line that Hitler was only bad because he
> >was a racist?  All I ever hear is that racist=Nazi, and that socialism
> >does not equal Communism.
> 
> This is all you hear because you haven't been taking your medication
> again, apparently, Mr. Whitaker and those voices in your head are
> making it impossible for you to read with comprehension the words
> of those you are "debating" with.
> 
> >   Since you do not insist that racism is Nazism, doesn't that make you
> >a Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews?
> 
> Only in your mind.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 11:58:15 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: "PROVE THIS, OR WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GENOCIDE"
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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <323C110B.898@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker  writes:
> > Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <323B031E.733F@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker  writes:
> > > > If someone says all blacks should be done away with, does anyone
> 
>         [blipp]
> 
> >    You're a good boy, aren't you?
> 
> Don't you have *anything* original to say?
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


   How can one have  anything original to say to a mindless bunch of
clones who keep repeating waht we've all heard hundreds of times at
public expense?


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Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> 
> Dr. Bob has drooled in my mailbox again. I'm stocking up on plastic
> sheeting in case he starts lopping off his body parts and mailing them to
> me.
> 
> * Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:05:49 -0400
> * From: Bob Whitaker 
> * Reply-To: bwhit@conterra.com
> * MIME-Version: 1.0
> * Newsgroups:
> * alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
> * To: Jeanne Kowalewski 
> * Subject: Re: ?
> *
> * Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> * >
> * > Dr. Bob sent me the following e-mail today and, since I really don't want
> * > his spittle-laden rants filling my mailbox, I'll reply to him here.
> * >
> * > * Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:43:50 -0400
> * > * From: Bob Whitaker 
> * > * Reply-To: bwhit@conterra.com
> * > * MIME-Version: 1.0
> * > * To: Jeanne Kowalewski 
> * > * Subject: Re: ?
> * > *
> * > * Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> * > * >
> * > * > In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
> * > * wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> * > * > * The average age of initial parenthood is 15.  Whites can
> * > * > * accomplish that too.
> * > * >
> * > * > Yes. A skinhead with a swastika tattood on his head raped a
> * > * > thirteen year old girl in the restroom of a junior high
> * > * > school in Oregon last week. You must consider him to be
> * > * > quite a man, eh? After all, this attack could result in the
> * > * > birth of another white child.
> * > *
> * > *
> * > *
> * > *     I didn't see any quotes around white here.  Oh, I see.  It's an
> * > * insult to whites, of course.
> * > *     Thousands of blacks oout raping whites, but of course all you notice
> * > * is one blatant racist doing it.  Well, at least this is one rape of a
> * > * white girl you openly express your concern about.  That's a change.
> * >
> * > Listen here, you demented old fart: I mentioned an incident involving one
> * > skinhead rapist and one thirteen-year-old girl. I would be just as angry
> * > regardless of the ethic background of either party,
> *
> *
> *    Not a single person reading this actually believes you would denounce
> * a black raping a white girl -- a VERY common thing -- like you did this
> * swastikaed hood.
> 
> You wanna bet? I don't base my feelings regarding sexual predators and
> pedophiles on some fuzzy-assed theory, Dr. Bob. I know too many people who
> have survived assults by these animals, and they have to learn to live with
> the aftermath while not letting it destroy them. I would just as soon line
> 'em up against a wall whether they be black, white, or any shade between
> the two. In Oregon, the majority of our SOB's are white because the
> majority of the population is white.
> 
> * and I hope that the son
> * > of a bitch is lined up against a wall and shot after he's caught. When it
> * > comes to sexual predators and pedophiles, I part company with my liberal
> * > compadres, because I don't believe that they can be rehabilitated, that
> * > they deserve multiple opportunities via parole and probation, or that
> * > society benefits one iota by keeping these animals fed, clothed, and locked
> * > up until they're deemed sufficiently rehabilitated to turn them loose to
> * > stalk, terrorize and brutalize a new set of victims.
> * >
> * > As for the lack of quotes around white: I am white, so are my husband and
> * > my children. Big deal. We have done nothing to merit this characteristic,
> * > and we feel no special pride or sense of accomplishment because of our pale
> * > skin.
> *
> *
> *     You say here you have no feeeling for the white race.  That's not
> * true.  You want it immigrated and integrated out of existence.
> 
> BZZZZT! I said that my family has done nothing to merit our skin color and
> feel no special sense of pride or accomplishment because of our skin tone.
> I said nothing regarding immigration or integration in that paragraph, you
> lying old fool. I have an immense amount of pride in my ancestry (traced
> back to Scotland and England) and family that was in the US before the
> Revolutionary War. You see, Dr. Bob, I know who I am and where I came from,
> and *maybe* that's why I don't have to go around proclaming how white I am
> to give myself a sense of worth.

    And I keep saying that the existence of my race does not need to be
justified, by accomplishments or anything else.   You are still listing
the reasons why you can't really be what you are, an anti-white white. 
Forty-two granddaddies won't wash that away.
    Youre basic point is correct: an anti-white white is too sick an
idea to be real.  But you are real:
     You demand that every majority white country on earth provide for
immigration and integration of hordes of non-whties.   But only white
countries: Asia stays yellow, Africa stays black, and every single
white-najority goes brown.
     For decades I have listened to you people tell each in discussion
programs in the media or at universities that racial intermarriage is
the real solution to the race -- by which you mean the white --
problem.  Then when some racist says that you said that, all of you deny
it and back each other up.
      On the internet you can't do that without being called on it.  But
you have been advertising your Final Solution too long for people not to
know what it is.
     

> 
> *     I have run into this very strange argument of yours before: "How
> * could I be an anti-white when I'm white?  That's so sick nobody could be
> * like that!"
> 
> Ah, you're making up stuff again, Dr. Bob. You go from the "quotes around
> 'white'" rant to the "immigration and integration" rant and then segue
> right into your "anti-white white" rant. Were you an only child, Dr. Bob,
> who had to entertain himself for hours on end while locked in a closet? Did
> you take off your socks and use them as hand puppets to have someone to
> play and argue with in the darkness?
> 
> *     It's a really funny argument, since everything else you say is
> * anti-white and you say that the only mentally healthy whites are
> * anti-white.   When anyone dares say anything good about whites or
> * expresses concern for their existence, you clones reply with "whites" in
> * quotes.   When you say somethin nasty about whites i.e., when you
> * mention whites, there are not quotes.  For you , the white race exists
> * only when it is insulted.
> 
> I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want to
> deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the same way
> that they do. BTW, Dr. Bob, they have less tolerance for demented old farts
> than I do and would probably label you as a useless eater, euthanize you,
> and ship your lifeless carcass off to be turned into doggie treats for
> their Rotweilers.
> 
> *     I do agree it's very, very sick, and things like you shouldn't
> * exist, but you do.
> 
> Take your meds and stop making an ass out of yourself.
> 
> * We have managed to accomplish some real things in our lives, and I
> * > could not care less if my family tree turns up some colorful roots. This
> * > does not add to nor take away from who we are, what we've done, or what we
> * > believe.
> * >
> * > It's sad that people like you cling so tightly to your whiteness that you
> * > have lost your grip on reality. Take your medication and maybe those voices
> * > in your head will stop that keep calling you "a Nazi who wants to kill six
> * > million Jews."
> 
> [snip]
> 
> --
> Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
> Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
> http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
> 
> Prejudice, which sees what it pleases, cannot see what is plain.
> ‹ Aubrey T. de Vere


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 13:18:48 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:24:05 -0400
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:22:21 -0400
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 13:23:59 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 16:22:56 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:22:21 -0400
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 18:45:33 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: BOSNIA AND THE MIXERS
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:30:10 -0400
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <3240C5FC.6956@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > But the way you foil
> > the evil Nazi Whitaker is to paraphrase what the clones say about race,
> > "There is no Croat, no Moslem, no Serb in Bosnia.  They are all Bosnians
> > now."
> 
> You are lying again, Bobby. No one has said that.
> 
> >       Remember that letting the Croats and Serbs define themselves is
> > now the very definition of Nazism.
> 
> You are lying again, Bobby. No one has said that.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


      You clones have GOT to get your act together.  Walton said it
again even as you wrote this.
      Once again, the clones must understand this is not the university
or a major TV network, where a Politically Correct person can routinely
accuse the other sid eof being Nazis, then say they never use slurs, and
Mommy Professor or the commentator will protect them from getting called
on it.
      This is the internet, and if you are going to use this "Inever say
Nazi.....You're a Nazi!" routine, you are going to have to learn to be a
hell of alot more subtle about it, and time it better.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 20 18:58:05 PDT 1996
Article: 53549 of alt.discrimination
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:03:59 -0400
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <324053EB.4297@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :Andy Walton wrote:
>   :> No. It means that people who want to forcibly remove people of different
>   :> races by means up to and including killing them, and who advocate an
>   :> absolutist government to accomplish this, are Nazis.
> 
>   :   I can't imagine anyone intelligent taking this piece of sophistry
>   :seriously.
> 
> Sophistry? Those who support the program of the National Socialist German
> Worker's Party (NDSAP) are Nazis. Could any standard be clearer? Could an
> appellation be fairer?
> 
> Absent a declaration that "I am a nazi," if I call anyone such, the burden
> is on me to justify the use of far-too-often-used term. I did so above.
> 
>   :We are concerned about the white race.  As I said, in order
>   :to denounce this natural concern, you clones have to go ballistic.
>   :   So when Strom denied your orthodoxy, part of your reply, as usual,
>   :was that he was advocating Nazism, which had been tried once.
> 
> He advocated the forcible removal of "undesirables," as defined by him.
> The parallels to National Socialist Germany are not only fair, but
> unavoidable.
> 
>    You are
>   :saying what you always say(until someone calls you on it, then y ou deny
>   :it, as above):
> 
> In response to your first post on this newsgroup, I made my criteria for
> calling someone a "Nazi" perfectly clear. I have not deviated from those
> criteria. Your tactic seems to be to advocate nazism, or to step in to
> defend someone who does, and then complain that you're being labelled a
> nazi.
> 
>   :anyone who expresses any concern about white people being
>   :immigrated and integrated out of existence is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill
>   :Six Million Jews.
> 
> Only if "expressing concern", by definition, means advocating the forcible
> deportation of anyone you don't like.
> 
>   :    Anyone who wants ANY whites to be allowed to escape your program of
>   :immigration and integration is, according to what you apparently
>   :actually consider to be shrew veiled inferences -- clones are not too
>   :sharp -- A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> Nonsense. If all you want is to "escape," I won't hold you back. Don't let
> the door hit you in the ass on the way out. When you want to eliminate
> others from land you claim as "white land," you cross the line.
> 
>    That's nuts, but
>   :you always end of saying
> 
> In English, please.
> 
>   :     As I said, the reason you always end up saying this is because, in
>   :order to get all whites to accept your program against natural feelings,
>   :you have to use total control.  That means what you say has to end up
>   :being hysterical.
> 
> Hysterical? If you find this hysterical, you must consider Pat Boone to be
> heavy metal.
> 
>   :     That is because, if you are forced to talk about the real world in
>   :plain English, what you demanding is outrageous and vicious.
> 
> I oppose forcing people from their homes to satisfy an ill-defined,
> arbitrary notion of "racial purity." How much plainer can my English be?
> And which side of that argument is outrageous and vicious?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus

     Forcing people from their homes?  So if any whites on earth are
allowed to define themselves and lvie to themselves, even in wholly new
communities, that constitutes forcing nonwhites from their homes, which
means they're Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.
     Yea, sure.
     You have to trap whites, or they won't dwht you want them to.  It's
OK for Africa to be for Africans and Asia for Asians, but by God you
want Whitey chased down.  If he isn't chased down, it's now "driving
people from their home". and THAT is only advocated by A Nazi Who Wants
To Kill Six Million Jews.
     You used to have the same sort of argument in religion: let a few
people dissent on religion, and not only will they be damned, but they
will influence others to abandon the Truth.
     It's the standard tyrant's argument.


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Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <324050EE.79F8@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :Andy Walton wrote:
>   :> Remember that Whitaker has never, since his appearance in this group,
>   :> argued with anyone but himself. He constructs ludicrous caricatures of
>   :> opposing arguments, "refutes" them, and declares himself the winner. One
>   :> wonders why he has to do this with the rest of us present.
> 
>   :   You clones keep saying this, and I keep pointing out that I'm talking
>   :over your heads to people capable of understanding what I am saying.
> 
> People who are obviously too intelligent to be swayed by a rational
> argument, and who can only be impressed by rote repetition of pat phrases
> like "Politically Correct clones" and "Mommy Professor."
> 
> Just imagine the stunning intellect. These are probably the same people
> who find "Where's the Beef?" to be the height of wit, and who are thrilled
> beyond words by every opportunity to perform the Macarena. I must confess
> a complete lack of understanding of this sort of fetishistic repetition,
> and will have to resign myself to rational argument. Damn.



     Yes, sir, you and Mommy Professor really look down on all those
mere peasants, don't you?




> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> 
> Dr. Bob has drooled in my mailbox again. I'm stocking up on plastic
> sheeting in case he starts lopping off his body parts and mailing them to
> me.
> 
> * Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:05:49 -0400
> * From: Bob Whitaker 
> * Reply-To: bwhit@conterra.com
> * MIME-Version: 1.0
> * Newsgroups:
> * alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
> * To: Jeanne Kowalewski 
> * Subject: Re: ?
> *
> * Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> * >
> * > Dr. Bob sent me the following e-mail today and, since I really don't want
> * > his spittle-laden rants filling my mailbox, I'll reply to him here.
> * >
> * > * Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:43:50 -0400
> * > * From: Bob Whitaker 
> * > * Reply-To: bwhit@conterra.com
> * > * MIME-Version: 1.0
> * > * To: Jeanne Kowalewski 
> * > * Subject: Re: ?
> * > *
> * > * Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> * > * >
> * > * > In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC)
> * > * wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> * > * > * The average age of initial parenthood is 15.  Whites can
> * > * > * accomplish that too.
> * > * >
> * > * > Yes. A skinhead with a swastika tattood on his head raped a
> * > * > thirteen year old girl in the restroom of a junior high
> * > * > school in Oregon last week. You must consider him to be
> * > * > quite a man, eh? After all, this attack could result in the
> * > * > birth of another white child.
> * > *
> * > *
> * > *
> * > *     I didn't see any quotes around white here.  Oh, I see.  It's an
> * > * insult to whites, of course.
> * > *     Thousands of blacks oout raping whites, but of course all you notice
> * > * is one blatant racist doing it.  Well, at least this is one rape of a
> * > * white girl you openly express your concern about.  That's a change.
> * >
> * > Listen here, you demented old fart: I mentioned an incident involving one
> * > skinhead rapist and one thirteen-year-old girl. I would be just as angry
> * > regardless of the ethic background of either party,
> *
> *
> *    Not a single person reading this actually believes you would denounce
> * a black raping a white girl -- a VERY common thing -- like you did this
> * swastikaed hood.
> 
> You wanna bet? I don't base my feelings regarding sexual predators and
> pedophiles on some fuzzy-assed theory, Dr. Bob. I know too many people who
> have survived assults by these animals, and they have to learn to live with
> the aftermath while not letting it destroy them. I would just as soon line
> 'em up against a wall whether they be black, white, or any shade between
> the two. In Oregon, the majority of our SOB's are white because the
> majority of the population is white.
> 
> * and I hope that the son
> * > of a bitch is lined up against a wall and shot after he's caught. When it
> * > comes to sexual predators and pedophiles, I part company with my liberal
> * > compadres, because I don't believe that they can be rehabilitated, that
> * > they deserve multiple opportunities via parole and probation, or that
> * > society benefits one iota by keeping these animals fed, clothed, and locked
> * > up until they're deemed sufficiently rehabilitated to turn them loose to
> * > stalk, terrorize and brutalize a new set of victims.
> * >
> * > As for the lack of quotes around white: I am white, so are my husband and
> * > my children. Big deal. We have done nothing to merit this characteristic,
> * > and we feel no special pride or sense of accomplishment because of our pale
> * > skin.
> *
> *
> *     You say here you have no feeeling for the white race.  That's not
> * true.  You want it immigrated and integrated out of existence.
> 
> BZZZZT! I said that my family has done nothing to merit our skin color and
> feel no special sense of pride or accomplishment because of our skin tone.
> I said nothing regarding immigration or integration in that paragraph, you
> lying old fool. I have an immense amount of pride in my ancestry (traced
> back to Scotland and England) and family that was in the US before the
> Revolutionary War. You see, Dr. Bob, I know who I am and where I came from,
> and *maybe* that's why I don't have to go around proclaming how white I am
> to give myself a sense of worth.

 

 Oh, yes, we're at the part where the PC Clone gets that serious look on
his face, and says, in a somber tone, "I see that, to my infinite
sadness, that you disagree with me.  You must have a lot of self-hate."
    That ones so old and tired they make fun of it on comedy programs on
network TV.
    I like the "demented old fart" line better.  At least it doesn't
come off you PC tape.



> 
> *     I have run into this very strange argument of yours before: "How
> * could I be an anti-white when I'm white?  That's so sick nobody could be
> * like that!"
> 
> Ah, you're making up stuff again, Dr. Bob. You go from the "quotes around
> 'white'" rant to the "immigration and integration" rant and then segue
> right into your "anti-white white" rant. Were you an only child, Dr. Bob,
> who had to entertain himself for hours on end while locked in a closet? Did
> you take off your socks and use them as hand puppets to have someone to
> play and argue with in the darkness?
> 
> *     It's a really funny argument, since everything else you say is
> * anti-white and you say that the only mentally healthy whites are
> * anti-white.   When anyone dares say anything good about whites or
> * expresses concern for their existence, you clones reply with "whites" in
> * quotes.   When you say somethin nasty about whites i.e., when you
> * mention whites, there are not quotes.  For you , the white race exists
> * only when it is insulted.
> 
> I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want to
> deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the same way
> that they do. BTW, Dr. Bob, they have less tolerance for demented old farts
> than I do and would probably label you as a useless eater, euthanize you,
> and ship your lifeless carcass off to be turned into doggie treats for
> their Rotweilers.
> 
> *     I do agree it's very, very sick, and things like you shouldn't
> * exist, but you do.
> 
> Take your meds and stop making an ass out of yourself.
> 
> * We have managed to accomplish some real things in our lives, and I
> * > could not care less if my family tree turns up some colorful roots. This
> * > does not add to nor take away from who we are, what we've done, or what we
> * > believe.
> * >
> * > It's sad that people like you cling so tightly to your whiteness that you
> * > have lost your grip on reality. Take your medication and maybe those voices
> * > in your head will stop that keep calling you "a Nazi who wants to kill six
> * > million Jews."
> 
> [snip]
> 
> --
> Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
> Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
> http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
> 
> Prejudice, which sees what it pleases, cannot see what is plain.
> ‹ Aubrey T. de Vere


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 21 10:58:23 PDT 1996
Article: 44017 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: BOSNIA AND THE MIXERS
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:35:31 -0400
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In Bosnia,we have the natural extension of clone thought.  There
are three groups there who hate each other quite literally to death.  
     So what is the solution?   Unite them all under one flag.
     They're whining that the Croats in Bosnia want to join Croatia, and
the Serbs want to be part of what's left of Yugoslavia, ie, other
Serbs.   But with enough guns, outsiders will force both groups to be
part of the same country with Moslems.
     The one thing they must prevent is what  Americans were supposed to
have fought for in World War I: self-determination.
     On the subject of racfe in the United States, all this crap about
defininf race supposes that these clones should provide the definition. 
The point is, they can't allow people to make their own definition, and
live to themselves if they so choose.
     You mention that possibility, and they go ballistic, screaming 
that you're a Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  
Self-determination doesn't strike me as the essence of Hitlerism, but
with hisotry's largest and most concentrated brainwashing campaign, they
have managed to get people to say thatany white person who has the
"wrong" preferences is racist, which means he's a Nazi.
     I think people are growing of that nonsense, even in Europe.
     But the clones have to get everybody tied up defining race and
denying  they are Nazis in order to hide one simple fact:  if you let
people define race for themselves, they won't do what the clones want
them to do.
     Clones are, by now, aware that, however much they worship Mommy
Professor, nothing he says ends up working in the real world.  To get
the results he wants, they have to use hysteria, niggling over
definitions, anything but plain English.
     People can define race quite well for themselves, thank you.
     It will destroy this silly ass dream of an enforced multicultural
Bosnia, but we should do something everyody seems to consider a real
nightmare: let the Croats go to Croatia if they wish and let the Serbs
go to Serbia if they wish.
     Obviously only a Hitlerite  would suggest such a thing!
     And, Hitlerite Whitaker, HOW DO YOU DEFINE A CROAT!
     Gotcha!


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 21 10:58:23 PDT 1996
Article: 44048 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: RACE has no Biological Meaning....
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:37:47 -0400
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To: Joel Rosenberg 

Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article <51nmiu$225@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, Eggboe writes:
> > Thank you, thank you, a thousand times thank you!  The scales have finally
> > fallen from my eyes.  You are absolutely right.  There is no such thing as
> > "race"!  How could I have not seen that there are no such things as
> > whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics before your bolt of enlightenment?
> >
> > Therefore,  I am sure you won't hesitate in joining the rest of the
> > enlightened world in trying to end all affirmative action programs,
> > minority set asides,  and social groups organized along racial lines by
> > minority groups.  After all, if there is no such thing as race, there can
> > be no such thing as racial preferences, RIGHT?
> >
> 
> I don't understand what point you think you're making.  Accepting, for
> the moment, that race is fundamentally meaningless -- and it is -- that
> doesn't deny the existence of bigotry, or the social value in
> combatting it.  (Now, personally, I think what's normally referred to
> as "racial preferences" are a poor way to combat it, but that's another
> discussion.)


    What Rosenburg is trying to explain here is a propostion so basic to
his thinking that he is astonished you don't assume:  the white race
exists only when it is insulted or done away with.  If you say something
nice about it or are concerned about white survival, it becomes "the
white race".
    In short, Rosenburg's type sees the white race existing only to be
blamed and done away with.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 21 12:59:59 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:19:48 -0400
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> >> In article <323F3ABB.10B2@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> >>   :Remember that waht we are talking about is the fact that when so-called
> >>   :anti0racists talk about solving the "race" problem, they mean solving
> >>   :the white problem.
> 
> >> Remember that Whitaker has never, since his appearance in this group,
> >> argued with anyone but himself. He constructs ludicrous caricatures of
> >> opposing arguments, "refutes" them, and declares himself the winner. One
> >> wonders why he has to do this with the rest of us present.
> 
> >   You clones keep saying this, and I keep pointing out that I'm talking
> >over your heads to people capable of understanding what I am saying.
> 
> You haven't said anything that requires anything more sophisticated
> than the ability to unstick the record needle, Mr. Whitaker.
> 
> >   Politically Correct clones, with whom I have been dealing for
> >decades, are absolutely unteachable.  They believe that they are the
> >only educated people, and everybody else is, as they put it, "inbred
> >trailer trash".   They are not only ignorant, but militantly ignorant.
> 
> It is genuinely amusing how your descriptions of your critiques sound
> just like you.  That you, who uses the name of a science (genetics) as
> synonymous with a set of political conclusions you are comfortable with
> (racism) and thinks that a "stable genotype" is a desirable thing for
> any group of humans (when it is impossible), would describe anyone else
> as "unteachable" and "militantly ignorant" is laughable.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


     As Emma would say, it takes two to tango.  I respond to the
repeititous crap I hear.  You people have been going through the same
old routine that PC Clones have been going through for forty years. 
Predictably, Walton says he does that because he is just so intelligent,
and, of corse and above all, independent.  
     That is the illusion fostered by Mommy Professor:  that you are
uniquely intelligent, and that your routine is not a routine.  When you
make what you think is a really shrewd reference, like what I say "was
tried once", meaning Hitler, I simply speak English and say you are
saying I an A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     Mommy Professor told you this sort of reference was really shrewd,
and not hte same thing at all as using labels.  But it is exactly the
same things as the original label, and everybody but you knows it.  Your
use of long German terms was an obvious attempt -- of course truly high
class humor, not at all the same as peasant stuff -- to tie all your
opponents to Nazis.  
    You are laughingly calling people Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million
Jews, a true yuck if you do it, but God help me for my joke.
     In Mommy professor's realm and in the media, you can get away this
kind of crap, and all you will get is praise for how brilliant you are. 
You are not there now.
     All the crocodile tears and the attempt to get the discussion from
common sense to definitions, all those gambits are old, old, old.  So is
the "I'm a great intellectual pretense".   
     You keep calling people Nazis in what you  think is a "shrewd way",
and I will kepp saying in plain English that you are saying someone is A
Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.   You go through the same tired
old routine, and I go through my routine.     The fact is that while you
and Walton really believe you're just too intellectual for words, there
are a lot of people who see right exactly what you are doing better than
you do.  I'm talking to them.
     Say something worth hearing, and I'll talk to you.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 21 16:17:17 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: BOSNIA AND THE MIXERS
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:27:55 -0400
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To: Andy Walton 

Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3240C5FC.6956@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :      Remember that letting the Croats and Serbs define themselves is
>   :now the very definition of Nazism.
> 
> (Sigh.)
> 
> No. Letting the Serbs and Croats murder anyone they do not consider Serbs
> or Croats is the very definition of Nazism. Why is this so difficult for
> you to grasp?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


    I do wish you clones would get organized!   This mantra won't work.
    You PC clones, for forty years that I can remember, have always had
a mantra you would state and then shed crocodile tears over.  This one
is "driving people out of their homes"boo-hoo!
    Some of the people reading this have probably been driven out of
their homes, not by "ethnic cleansing", but by "ethnic balance".   You
know, the programs where  you use taxpayers' money and a judge's orders
to force"low-cost housing" into a comunity the community comes apart,
and working people sell their houses cheap.
    We're talkking about millions of people here.  But, of course, to a
PC Clone these are not people, they're just whites.  Like Hitler killed
six million Jews, bu, to be honest, damn few kinds ever heard at school
about Sralin's killing more, because he just Russians and Ukrainians and
stuff, so who cares?
    I know that on the media or at the university, no one would be
allowed to point this out, but, I remind you again, this is hte
internet.  For your mantra here, you are going to have crimes you have
not committed in the name of the Final Solution to the Race, ie, the
white, Problem.
    That's going to be rough.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Luminance, Chrominance, and Genocide
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 16:54:37 -0400
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To: "Jeffrey G. Brown" 

Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <32425172.3651@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > The case of a Black person claiming to be White is obviously in the
> > category of a kook case which (along with borderline cases or genuine
> > disputes), as I said, could safely be ignored or handled by the courts,
> > just as similar things are handled in all civilized countries.
> 
> In other words, you can describe yourself as "white" and receive the
> privileges that Strom et.al. would accord their "white" brethren only so
> long as Strom et.al. agree with you that you are "white" -- according to
> criteria that Strom et.al. seem strangely unable or unwilling to
> articulate.



     The "privilege" you are talking about is the right to live side by
side with thites, which you want ot enforce by law on every white.   It
is our right to define ourselves and live as we damn well please and
near whoever we damn well please.
    To you and Walton, this idea comes from Nazis Who Want To Kill Six
Million Jews.
    Tough.  


 
> > [...deletia..]
> 
> > I don't propose to deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property. I
> > propose to give each people the opportunity for self-determination which
> > the current multiracial "democracy" denies them. Those who prefer
> > multiracial "democracy" can keep it, too, though they would no longer be
> > able to prevent separatists from opting out of the system.
> 
> It is unclear what is keeping Strom from "opting out of the system" now.
> I'm sure there are many who know him who would be only too happy to help
> him pack.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> >>
> >> Dr. Bob sent me the following e-mail today and, since I really don't want
> >> his spittle-laden rants filling my mailbox, I'll reply to him here.
> >
> >> Listen here, you demented old fart: I mentioned an incident involving one
> >> skinhead rapist and one thirteen-year-old girl. I would be just as angry
> >> regardless of the ethic background of either party,
> >
> >
> >   Not a single person reading this actually believes you would denounce
> >a black raping a white girl -- a VERY common thing -- like you did this
> >swastikaed hood.
> >
> 
> You do not speak for every person reading this newsgroup.





   You're right.  I can't speak for the really dumb ones.




> 
> >
> >and I hope that the son
> >> of a bitch is lined up against a wall and shot after he's caught. When it
> >> comes to sexual predators and pedophiles, I part company with my liberal
> >> compadres, because I don't believe that they can be rehabilitated, that
> >> they deserve multiple opportunities via parole and probation, or that
> >> society benefits one iota by keeping these animals fed, clothed, and locked
> >> up until they're deemed sufficiently rehabilitated to turn them loose to
> >> stalk, terrorize and brutalize a new set of victims.
> >>
> >> As for the lack of quotes around white: I am white, so are my husband and
> >> my children. Big deal. We have done nothing to merit this characteristic,
> >> and we feel no special pride or sense of accomplishment because of our pale
> >> skin.
> >
> >
> >    You say here you have no feeeling for the white race.  That's not
> >true.  You want it immigrated and integrated out of existence.
> 
> She never said that in her post.



Then why does she keep advocating immigration and integration for every
white majority country as a final solution to race(white) problem?  And
why does she keep insisting that she has a right to do this because the
white race doesn't really exist?







> 
> >    I have run into this very strange argument of yours before: "How
> >could I be an anti-white when I'm white?  That's so sick nobody could be
> >like that!"
> 
> Yet again you are arguing with non-existent quotes by other people.
> 
> >    It's a really funny argument, since everything else you say is
> >anti-white and you say that the only mentally healthy whites are
> >anti-white.   When anyone dares say anything good about whites or
> >expresses concern for their existence, you clones reply with "whites" in
> >quotes.   When you say somethin nasty about whites i.e., when you
> >mention whites, there are not quotes.  For you , the white race exists
> >only when it is insulted.
> 
> >    I do agree it's very, very sick, and things like you shouldn't
> >exist, but you do.
> 
> Ah, another example of the wonderful humanity exhibited by the White
> fixationists.




   Yea.  I notice how deeply concerned you clones are about my feelings
or any white racial concerns.








> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> I know next to nothing about your political ideology, because you have
> >> been astonishingly close-mouthed for someone who professes to be the
> >> great "free" political thinker who has broken from the bonds of academia.
> 
> >   You're right.  You looked up a book I editted and contributed to on
> >my politics at the library, and you have looked at a book I wrote for
> >the net (http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/ and it's FREE, gang!), but
> >I'm really being sneaky.
> >      Your basic points is correct, though: I stil lknow more about your
> >politics than you do about mine.  I've been dealing with Politically
> >Correct Clones for decades.
> 
> No, Mr. Whitaker.  You think you do, because you have divided the world into
> two categories, and you see everyone in terms of your categories.  We all live
> in a reality of our own making, to some extent.  Yours is just much more
> binary and simplistic than are the worlds of most intelligent people.  Levi-
> Strauss would have a heyday with you.
> 
> >Whatever.  All I see is someone who confuses repetitive
> >> ranting with discussion and debate.
> 
> >    You clones keep telling me you can't understand what a professional
> >writer has written, so I should crawl off in shame.  I've published
> >books, lots of articles, and God knows how many political speeches I got
> >paid for.
> 
> Whoopee do.  Can't understand it?  Are you getting paid for your usenet
> contributions, Mr. Whitaker?  Dare I observe that your publications are
> somewhat more carefully written than the drivel you routinely offer up
> here as brilliant, carefully reasoned argumentation?
> 
> >    The fact you don't get it is the fault either of the "reador" or the
> >"readee".  Out of thousands of readers, including the uncertain number
> >who have read my effort on the net, only a few Politically Correct
> >Clones have said they have trouble understanding.  Lots disagree, but
> >they are not illiterate enough to be unable to understand.
> 
> Perhaps you are suffering from a little "illiteracy" yourself, Mr.
> Whitaker.  I have never claimed to have read carefully "The New Right
> Papers" (if you check, you will see that all I ever said about it was
> that I had quickly skimmed your chapter in the book), nor have I ever
> claimed to have read your website contribution (again, I've skimmed
> parts of it).  Once again, you are knocking down a strawman, Mr.
> Whitaker.
> 
> >    Once again, you are used to an environment set up from Mommy
> >professors' lessons.  In that world, you Politically Correct people are
> >the only intelligent people on earth, and if you say you don't
> >understand the writer is supposed to be condemned.
> >    This is the internet and you are talking to a paid, professional
> >writer.  That Mommy Professor crap doesn't work here.
> 
> Keep pointing out that you are a paid professional writer, Mr. Whitaker.
> Someone might actually think that means something about the quality of
> what you post.  I don't.
> 
> It really is amusing the way you call others "elitist", and then show
> yourself to be such an intellectual snob.  It is truly amusing, as well,
> the way you respond to those who point out that you are arguing only
> with yourself, as well as nauseatingly vacuous and repetitive, not by
> injecting any substance into what you write, but by telling everyone that
> you are paid to write it.  In other words, since someone pays you for this
> crap, it must be good!!!  But of course, in your world, because academics
> are paid for what they do, it must be bad!!!  You are all the things you
> despise in your detractors.  I find that very amusing, Mr. Whitaker.
> 
> [...remainder censored]
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman
> 
> ~~e-mail replies to usenet posts may be posted~~




       I don't care about Levi-Strauss.   The point is you never say
anything that is not a perfect charachature of Political Correctness.  A
one-dimenional discussion is all that is possible.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 22 08:19:31 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: BOSNIA AND THE MIXERS
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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3242F03B.7A54@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :Andy Walton wrote:
>   :> No. Letting the Serbs and Croats murder anyone they do not consider Serbs
>   :> or Croats is the very definition of Nazism. Why is this so difficult for
>   :> you to grasp?
> 
>   :    I do wish you clones would get organized!   This mantra won't work.
>   :    You PC clones, for forty years that I can remember, have always had
>   :a mantra you would state and then shed crocodile tears over.  This one
>   :is "driving people out of their homes"boo-hoo!
> 
> We're not talking about driving people out of their homes. We're talking
> about Bosnia.
> 
> Serbs murdered Croats and Muslims who were on "their" land. Are you
> disputing this?
> 
> Croats murdered Serbs and Muslims who were on "their" land. Are you
> disputing this?
> 
> Muslims murdered Croats and Serbs who were on "their" land. Are you
> disputing this?



   What do you mean "their" land?   According to you ethnic balancers,
it's all Bosnia, and if they don't like it, you're off 'em.




> 
> Murder is a bad thing. Murder in the name of "self-determination" is still
> a bad thing.  Are you disputing this?
> 
> This thread began because you proffered the Serbs as an example of white
> people opressed by political corectness, a vision you apparently found
> worthy of emulating. The Bosnian conflict wasn't about self-determination;
> it was abotu power and death. The international revulsion wasn't a
> reaction to ethnic pride; it was disgust at the carnage. Mass murder is
> wrong, committed by anyone, at any time. Simple. Clear. I apologize if
> that position is somehow "politically correct."
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


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Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3242D3AF.ED3@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :Andy Walton wrote:
>   :> No. Letting the Serbs and Croats murder anyone they do not consider Serbs
>   :> or Croats is the very definition of Nazism. Why is this so difficult for
>   :> you to grasp?
> 
>   :    (sigh) What you are saying is that Croat and Serbian nationalists in
>   :Bosnia are all Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.
> 
> No. I am saying that members of all three factions in Bosnia tried to kill
> thousands, if not millions, of other ethnic groups. My characterizations
> mean nothing. Their actions mean everything.
> 
> I don't need to say that they wanted to kill. They DID kill. Ruthlessly,
> efficiently, and indiscriminately. Or are you disputing that?
 

  

    No.  I am saying that your standard rememdy of jamming them all
together in one mutiethnic state is a means of increasing the killing.  
However, for you people, no price is too great for others to pay for
ethnic balance.

 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> >> I would comment that the sort of anti-intellectual rant that is one
> >> of Mr. Whitaker's favourite refrains has helped to contribute to
> >> the lack of respect for or interest in education, as well.
> 
> >    What a copout!
> 
> Oh, how ungenerous of me.  I forgot.  You consider yourself to be
> among the greatest intellectuals of all time, so of course your
> ranting against universities doesn't say anything about intellectuals.
> Only about those who don't publish primarily to make money from what
> they write.
>


   Your beloved Politically Correct academic bureaucrats are not
intellectuals.





> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman
> 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >    We're talkking about millions of people here.  But, of course, to a
> >PC Clone these are not people, they're just whites.  Like Hitler killed
> >six million Jews, bu, to be honest, damn few kinds ever heard at school
> >about Sralin's killing more, because he just Russians and Ukrainians and
> >stuff, so who cares?
> >    I know that on the media or at the university, no one would be
> >allowed to point this out, but, I remind you again, this is hte
> >internet.
> 
> Mr. Whitaker has never heard anyone teach about Stalinist Russia's
> mass killings, or read about them, so he assumes that it has never been
> mentioned in the mainstream media, is never discussed in courses on
> Russian or European 20th century history or politics, and is never
> written about in scholarly publications!.  In other words, if he is
> ignorant about something, it doesn't exist!!!  What a Renaissance man.



   I spent some years in academe and as minority oversight on the United
States House of Representatives Education and Labor Committes staff.  
Yes, I know they don't teach Stalin and they do teach Hitler.
   The facvt that it is mentioned in your precious media does not mean
the same as its being taught in the pub;lic schools.

 
> Burnt by the Sun.  excellent movie.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> Invasion is a forceful, military action.  Get real, you two.
> 
> >Invasion need not involve force or military action; it can be an entrance
> >into territory with the intent to occupy (have you ever read any
> >"Hispanic" literature on the subject of "la Raza" or "la Reconquista" or
> >"el Plan de Aztlan"?); or the intrusion of something hurtful or
> >disagreeable (have you ever been to Washington, DC?).
> 
> [...]
> 
> I am not familiar with the Hispanic literature you mention, nor do I know
> enough American history to understand the significance of your reference
> to Washington DC.  I've been there several times, but I don't know what
> you are talking about here.
> 
> So tell me, Mr. Strom, have all immigrants since the founding of the
> United States been "invaders"?  Would you describe the influx of British
> women following the second world war who came over as war brides "invaders"?
> Were the Africans brought by force to North America, beginning shortly after
> the first British settlement in what was to become the United States in
> the 17th century "invaders"?  Perhaps you could clarify for me when
> lawful immigration constitutes "invasion" and when it does not, Mr. Strom.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >Just because I do not wish to give my country to Mideasterners, it does
> >not necessarily follow that I wish them harm or that I am not outraged at
> >the horrors that "my" government perpetated against them, using money
> >extorted from me on the pretense of providing for "national defense."
> 
> >You really know little about me, and have no justification for making
> >such assumptions. Since you are impugning my morals, I will state for the
> >record that I abhor cruelty or the causing of any unnecessary harm or
> >pain to any sentient being. Even to insects and "liberals," neither of
> >which I will allow my sons to step on.
> 
> I apologise if my assumption that you feel as much contempt for Iraqis
> as you do for other "non-whites" was incorrect.  I may be confusing you
> with someone else who said that the real horror of the second world war
> was the death of so many "White men and women", rather than any alleged
> deaths of a couple of million civilian Jews or Gypsies.  If that is the
> case, the please accept my apology.
> 
> So you do not see "The Turner Diaries", written by your leader William
> Pierce", as in any was proscriptive, Mr. Strom?  You disagree with William
> Pierce that a couple of years of bloodshed are an acceptable price to
> pay to establish your "White nation"?  Are all living members of Homo
> sapiens "sentient beings" in your books?
> 
> >> >The "equality" ideologues and lickspittles, and their corporate and
> >> >foundation and bureaucrat friends, have arranged for an invasion of the
> >> >United States and virtually every White nation by many tens of millions
> >> >of alien races. They have dismantled the laws which formerly protected
> >> >the European genetic heritage of those nations, and have instituted new
> >> >laws criminalizing the natural, healthy reactions of Whites who oppose
> >> >the invasion. The engineers of the invasion know exactly what they are
> >> >doing, and expend huge sums justifying it in the media, the churches, and
> >> >the "educational" bureaucracy.
> 
> >> You really need to believe that your prejudices and stereotypes are
> >> "natural", don't you?




      Your heroes are spending so much money, time and effort to get us
to accept our own disappearance into a brown soup.   Natural or not,
it's clearly waht millions of us want, or you wouldn't have to devote
all that time and efort to your ethnic balance social engineering
program.






> 
> [...]
> 
> >It is really impossible to compose an answer to a rank speculation on
> >what you imagine my "need to believe" might be, except to say that such
> >speculation is not an argument for or against any position.
> 
> This comment is fair enough.  To an extent, I was responding to some of
> the accumulated nonsense I have read over the last week or two.  Your
> harkening to the "naturalness" of racism is a refrain that has been
> repeated several times recently by various people on this ng, including
> Bob Whitaker and your former colleague, Milton Kleim.  Kleim was defending
> this position about a week ago by equating racism with a preference for
> redheads or blondes.  Before I could get around to responding, though,
> Rich Graves had made the point I wanted to, so I didn't throw in my
> two cents worth (that's about 4 cents Canadian).  The equation of
> racism with "preference" is utterly erroneous, unless one is engaging
> in redefining racism.  And of course, that gets done, too.  Most people
> understand racism to entail assumptions about the relative, biologically
> rooted inferiority or superiority of those groups defined as racism,
> and so it goes far beyond "preference".  But not only that, to suggest
> that an emotionally based "preference" is either a good or a legitimate
> basis for state-building is truly bizarre, in my opinion.  Really, can
> you imagine anyone taking seriously the suggestion that we should form
> a state for redheads only?



   No redheads have asked for such a state.  If millions did, of
course.   That's a pretty obvious comment, but what people want never
occurs to you as being important in your fanaticism for ethnic balance.
    Ethnic balance in whtie majority countries only, of course.




> 
> I based my interpretation (what you describe as my "rank speculation")
> on your comment that racism is a "natural, healthy reactions ... to an
> invasion...".  Were the anti-Irish sentiments of WASPs in the nineteenth
> century also "natural, healthy reactions", Mr Strom?  I am asking this
> in order to understand better whether you think that the groups who
> may be perceived as "invaders" (whom I would define as "others", I guess,
> I'll have to think a little more about that) are necessarily racially
> distinct.  The case of the Irish intrigues me, Mr. Strom, because they
> were treated with the same contempt and hatred that you, Mr. Whitaker and
> others now direct at "non-white" immigrants (and their descendants, many
> of whom probably have longer histories in North America than your or
> Mr. Whitaker).  They were also viewed according to the same sorts of
> stereotypes that characterise racist views of "blacks" - as ignorant,
> uncivilised, lawless, stupid, lazy, dirty, etc. etc. etc.  Have you
> ever thought about that, Mr. Strom?

  


    You say I'm repetitious, but you never hear me.  I didn't say any of
the things Mommy professor told you that people like me all say: about
how I hate non-whites and call them lazy, etc.
     I don't object.  I understand you really don't know how to say
anything else in such a discussion.
    As I have said many, many times, and will say many, many times
again, my aim is solely to save my own race from your Final Solution.
    I'll keep repeating.
    You say I just keep on calling you clones.  How many times do you
repeat "Hate"?   I call you clones because you talking dolls are clones.





> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep 23 07:45:41 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >>
> >> > See Rosenburg's reply below, broadly implying, at least, that I'm
> >> > a Nazi.  It was written at about the same time you wrote your note.
> >>
> >> Mr. Whitaker, my name is not Joel Rosenberg.  I guess you hadn't noticed
> >> that.
> >>
> >> >        When you are called on it, you clones always deny you say anyone
> >> > who disagrees with you is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
> >>
> >> Calling Joel Rosenberg does just that - it calls Joel Rosenberg on it.
> >> I find it strange, hypocritical and a few other things that you might
> >> want to discuss with your doctor that you feel perfectly comfortable
> >> ascribing the motives of one or two people to everyone here who has
> >> stated disagreement with you about anything WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
> >> professing utter horror at being associated with the ideologies of
> >> those with whom you yourself *have* expressed agreement, such as
> >> Les Griswold.  Now try to get your neurons fired up long enough to
> >> grasp that, Mr. Whitaker.  If you have a problem with Joel Rosenberg,
> >> take it up with him.
> >>
> >> > Later you go right back to calling anyone you disagree with A Nazi Who
> >> > Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.  But here you are denying it  and
> >> > Rosenburg is doing it at the same time.
> >>
> >> Perhaps part of your confusion arises over the meaning of the pronoun
> >> "you" in this context.  Let me try to explain it to you.  Here, I presume
> >> by "you" you mean the singular, and are referring to me, individually.
> >> I am not Joel Rosenberg, Mr. Whitaker.  I have no control over what Joel
> >> Rosenberg says, thinks, writes, or posts.  Do you understand that, Mr.
> >> Whitaker?  *I* have not called you a Nazi.  I am not calling you a Nazi.
> >> I think you are a demented sot, but that is irrelevant, I suppose.
> >>
> >> >        You could do the "I never say Nazi...you're a Nazi!" tapdance
> >>
> >> Despite my signature, I'm not a very good dancer, and I never did take
> >> tap dance lessons (not that I ever wanted to, either).
> >> Let me paraphrase your quotation to make it more accurate:  Laura never says
> >> Nazi...Joel implies Bob Whitaker is a Nazi.  There are two different actors
> >> in that sentence.  You seem to think all the folks here who disagree with
> >> you are communicating with each other in order to work together against you.
> >> Are you perhaps a touch paranoid, Mr. Whitaker?  I have communicated only a
> >> couple of times with other current regular posters on this newsgroups,
> >> privately, and never about you.  Maybe all the rest of them are in cahoots,
> >> but if that's true, I'm not part of the caboodle.
> >>
> >> > when you were in a Politically Correct environment and could control the
> >> > timing.  On the net, you clones are going  to have to coordinate better.
> >>
> >> You are assuming that we "are coordinated", if perhaps poorly.



     As you say, quibble.
     you'r reaching hard.


> >
> >   No, I didn't say you were coordinated.
> 
> Okay, this is a minor semantic quibble, but since you brought the
> subject up: To say that these "clones" (whoever they are) need to
> coordinate "better" implies that they are already coordinated to some
> extent.
> 
> >I said quite specifically
> >that you normally do not need to coordinate, since you anti-whitea re in
> >such absolute control of every means of communication and every academic
> >institution that you never have to fear being called on anything.   You
> >could say both "I never say Nazi" and "Nazi!" and no one is ever allowed
> >to point out your contraditions.
> 
> You are quite free to point out any contradictions you think you've
> spotted. And btw, it would be interesting to see you substantiate the
> assertion that "anti-whites" (whatever that means) are in charge of
> every means of communication and academic institution.


   You're a new clone, and this standard clone bit has beent ried to
death here.  
   Let me tell you what I have had to tell each clone(which is why
they're clones, of course):


If you haven't noticed what philosophy controls the means of
communication and academia, when the latter has even finally gotten the
name Political Correctness, there isn't much point in talking to  you.
    So I talk over your head, to the people who can understand the
simple truth.
    Say something that a reasonable person would not consider and that I
have not heard said a hundred times at public expence, and there will be
some point in talking to you.
    If I'm talking to myself, what's your problem?
    You know damn well I'm talking to others who dare not speak for
themselves, that's why you want me shut up.
    As to anti-white, a person who joins the establishment in demanding
that vast numbers from the Third World be brough in and integrated in
each and every country which majority white, and only white majority
countries, tehy are anti-white.   Before you get called on it, you
freely refer to fracial intermarriage as "the solution to the race
problem", but this never means in Asia or in Africa, which are expected
to keep their present racial composition.  You're final solution to the
race problem is, in fact, your final solution to the white problem.
     I know you are going to say taht you never, never said
intermarriage was the Final Solution to the white problem, just as
Finsten now says she never hinted anybody was a Nazi.  Her first posts
to me referred to me in the sort of German words that made it clear
that, since I dissagreed iwth here, I was a Nazi.  
      But since I called her on it, she did the routine clone thing: she
stopped trying to scare me off with the Nazi label and claimed she had
never done such a thing.
      I know how you clones act before they're called on these things
>from  years of experienc with you.
      The other method is to say there is no such thing as whites. 
Which is your excuse for your Final Solution.
      But for you, whites do exist, but only to be insulted.  When you
are condemning whites, the word goes from "so-called whites" to whites.
      That's anti-white.





> 
> >   But this is the internet, and free speech exists not only in theory
> >as it does in your usual world, but in fact, because we have access.
> >When you and Rosenburg say "I never say Nazi" and "Nazi!" at the same
> >time, and someone is not only allowed to call you on it, but has real
> >access to do so, then you clones have to stop depending on your control
> >and start coordinating.
> 
> Clones, clones, clones. Is the repeating of this word meant to be a
> stand in for real thought processes on your part?
> 
> >   There is certainly no reason why a bunch of unquestioning clones
> >trained in our clone factories would normally need to coordinate
> >anything.  You will all chorus nicely without, as anyone can see reading
> >your comments.  You ARE hard to tell apart.
> 
> Wow, you're really getting carried away now: clone factories, where are
> these things and who runs them?
> 
> >    Part of the Politically Correct clone training is to teach them to
> >say "I am a true individualist and all my opinions I thought of myself
> >and so did the others."  You for sure believe it, or you wouldn't be a
> >good PC clone.   With that and absolute control of the media, actual
> >coordination is not only unnecessary, it would damage you rdelusion that
> >you area some kind of free thinker.
> 
> Oh I see, so anyone who counteracts your kind of bigotry and views is a
> brainwashed clone. I've heard it all now.
> 
> >    But on the net, you're going need some coordination.  Why don't you
> >call it "collective individuality"?
> 
> Er, because that'd be an oxymoron in the sense you appear to have in
> mind.
> 
> >
> >  We aren't.
> >> That's part of the problem.  We're just individual folks who share some
> >> perspectives in common, and probably would disagree on a lot of things,
> 
> Quite true. But then this Whitaker character wouldn't have much to
> witter on about if he accepted this, it'd negate the use of his
> favourite word "clone", that's for sure.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> I would comment that the sort of anti-intellectual rant that is one
> of Mr. Whitaker's favourite refrains has helped to contribute to
> the lack of respect for or interest in education, as well.
> 
> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


    What a copout!


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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"Dole, the ELECTABLE conservative", "the votes are in the middle of the
road".
   Republicans tried that with Ford and lost, they tried it when Bush
ran on his own in 1992, and failed, and guess what's happening again?
   Reagan won when he abandoned John Sears and became Reagn again in
1980.  
   Republicans have won two great victories in recent times: with the
"extremist" Reagan in 1980 and 1984, and with the "extremist" freshman
class of 1994.
     What does anybody want to bet that four years is enough for morons
to forget everything again, and the Republicans will try to "get shrewd"
and run another middle of the road( "the votes are in the middle of the
road" -- advice from our buddies, the national media)?
   PRINCIPLE PAYS!


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism
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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >Here is a message from a few months back which lends substance to Mr.
> >Whitaker's thesis:
> 
> >---begin quoted message from finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca---
> 
> >Subject:      Re: Where this old hate comes from?
> >From:         Laura Finsten 
> >Date:         1996/05/22
> >Message-Id:   <4nvu92$h76@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>
> >References:   <4np1gg$gkt@news.umbc.edu>
> ><4nrmkp$527@freenet-News.carleton.ca>
> > <4nts6c$uk@molokini.conterra.com>
> > <4nv9lq$2cm@molokini.conterra.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-Ascii
> >Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada (NewServer)
> >X-Url:        news:4nv9lq$2cm@molokini.conterra.com
> >Mime-Version: 1.0
> >Newsgroups:   alt.politics.white-Power
> >X-Mailer:     Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC)
> 
> >bob whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >[edit]
> 
> >>    Yousay anyone who opposes you is a Nazi, and then you don't
> >>want me to point out that this is the standard establishment crap?
> >>    Fat chance.
> 
> >You say that your ideological brethren like Les Griswold just
> >do the Nazi salute because their triceps don't get a good
> >enough workout during the course of their regular daily routines?
> >Fat chance, indeed.
> 
> >---begin quoted message from finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca---
> 
> >It seems that the accusation and the inference that Mr. Whitaker is
> >allied, attached, or somehow equivalent to "nazis" has indeed been used
> >as an argument against him.
> 
> >With happy equinox wishes,
> 
> >--
> 
> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> 
> Strom.  Please clarify this post.  You seem to have started a new
> thread without including proper  background context. As a result, the
> post is quite incoherent.
>




Does anybody else have the slightest difficulty understanding whar Strom
said.  I certainly.
   Here we have Strom pointing out an example of the clones just using
the "Nazi" inference, and here we have the good "DUHH!" tactic in
action.




> >-----------------------------------------------------------
> >      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
> >                  I speak only for myself:
> 
> >                 Occupied America Homepage:
> >      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/
> 
> >     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
> >            http://www.usaor.net/users/mckinney/
> 
> >                The Finest in European Art:
> >      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html
> 
> >                   Patriotic Resistance:
> >                  http://www.natvan.com/
> >                  http://www.natall.com/


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Alaskan Independence a view point.
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep 24 07:37:36 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> Lotsa luck, Lynn, I mean, Evelyn (sorry, the 'literation got to me). Free
> speech cuts both ways, dumbass. If the Alpha and GeoCities sites go down,
> I'm sure someone will post a new URL. Hey, maybe Dave Harman will post it
> to Usenet. How 'bout it, Dave?
> 
> Watch for translations of the Turner Diaries to other languages at:
> 
>  http://www.io.com/~arclight/National_Appliance/
> 
> Still looking for:
> 
> Prerelease draft of the National Vanguard magazine (we have the Bulletin).
> Bootleg copies of David Irving speeches. $200 reward for unedited audio
>  and video tape of the Oakland appearance.
> Digitized versions of chapters 10-17, 38-41 of _Goebbels_.
> Volunteers to sponsor "Race and Reason" and "Another Voice of Freedom" on
>  local public access cable systems.
> National Alliance financial report.
> Members for the Santa Clara Unit. :-) [Heh heh. Beavis, he said "Unit."]
> Bulk CD-ROM production facilities.
> 
> All active National Alliance members remember:
> 
> NO MORE TELEPHONE ORDERS
> 
>   The National Office will no longer
> accept telephone orders for books or
> other materials. Members who have
> been in the habit of telephoning the
> National Office and asking for a rush
> order of material to be sent to them in
> time for use at a gun show or other
> event, with the request that they be
> invoiced for the cost, will have to plan
> further ahead and get their orders WITH
> PAYMENT to the National Office by
> mail early enough to receive the mate-
> rial they want in time.
>   Special attention will still be given
> to orders marked "RUSH," and mem-
> bers may telephone with special in-
> structions for an order if they wish, but
> payment must be received before or-
> ders will be shipped. We have too
> many unpaid balances, and we can't
> afford to set up a credit-screening op-
> eration now. Usually the person at the
> National Office taking a telephone or-
> der doesn't know which members al-
> ways pay their bills promptly and
> which ones don't.
> 
> -rich




     Whoever came up with "Hate for Profit" saying is late in the game. 
"Hate Radio" has alsready been taken up to attack conservatives.  In
fact, the word "Hate" is as overused as the word.
     Then agaqin, who every got the slightest originality out a clone?  
     That's why they're clones.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: "Universalism" Verus Racism
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The last thing Universalism is is universal.
        When I was a child, the fact that the Inquisition was conducted
in the name of Love and Brotherhood came as a real surprise.  But as the
years passed and I learned more, I became very used to the fact that
politics tend to destroy each virtue in its own name. Far from
surprising, it is routine.
        Real mercy can be thrown away in the name of a Greater Mercy, as
was done in the Inquisition.  People who are fanatical about Tolerance
can be the most intolerant people you will ever meet.
        The trouble with Universalism is that all of the different
Universalist ideas divide the world more brutally than bigotry ever
could:  In the name of Universal Peace and Justice, Mao and Stalin
outdid Hitler.
        How many Universal faiths are there?   And within each
Universalism there are sects.   And every single one of these
Universalists is absolutely convinced that, among the thousands of
active Universal Truths, his particular Truth is the True One.
        Political Correctness is based on Universalism.  So instead of
calling blacks "niggers", it calls white working people "inbred trailer
trash".  The naked hate one sees routinely in the name of anti-racism
would be a surprise to a child, but an educated adult knows the
inevitability of it. 
	Hitler was a Universalist racist.  Just as Stalin and Lenin had their
Working Class for which all was to be sacrificed, Hitler had his
univerally superior Aryan Race.
Today's Polticial Correctness wants to "wipe out all traces of racism". 
To do that, the usual Universalist means are allowed.  As with Stalin's
Working Class and Hitler's Aryan Race, eventually any means justify the
end.   That is the nature of any Final and Universal Truth.
	To the Medieval Church, any form of disagreement was spawn of the
Devil.  For Political Correctness, Hitler has taken the place of
Satan.   Never, never do they want to discuss the totalitarian,
Universalist Truth outlook that Hitler shared with Lenin and Stalin the
Puritans and the Medieval Church.
        PC freaks talk instead about how all evil really comes from
racism and Hitler, and how they, being Universalist, are the salt of the
earth.  If people find out what Stalin and the Inquisition and the
Puritans and all had in common, they might look into the roots of
Political Correctness itself.


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eric sieferman wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Charles Fiterman   wrote:
> >
> >Actually Dole is a very attractive candidate who is doing well for
> >a Republican, just as Harry Browne is doing well for a Libertarian.
> 
> The Republican candidate has won five out of the last seven Presidential
> contests.  Bob Dole has the luxury of running for President at a time when
> his party showed strong popular momentum in the 1994 elections.  Yet,
> barring an unprecidented change in fortune, Dole will go down to the worst
> defeat suffered by a Republican Presidential candidate since 1964.  How
> exactly does this make Dole an "attractive candidate?"
> 
> I agree with you about Browne.  Just considering his prior popularity in
> non-libertarian circles I think he might get 1.5 - 2.0% of the popular
> vote.
> 
> >Here in Illinois, Dole is running about 35% in the polls. This means
> >the Dole campaign has given up TV advertising in this state. But most
> >Republicans are getting about 30% and Republicans like Al Salvi who
> >are closely connected to the hate cults are getting about 25%.
> 
> That's a serious problem for Illinois Republicans.  The party split in
> votes was always around 50%, with the urban Democrats paired almost
> equally with suburban and downstate Republicans.
> 
> >If you are getting 25% and the head of the ticket is getting 35%
> >you hang on to his coat tails, he can only pull you up. Harry Browne
> >is getting about 4% and Libertarians hang on to his coat tails.
> 
> Could be.  Unfortunately for all minor party candidates, people who
> express support for them in September often go back to the two major
> parties on election day.
> 
> >When I read the polls I'm a realist. When I place bets I'm a realist.
> >When I vote I follow my conscience and vote Libertarian. I don't expect
> >to win. I expect to keep my dignity and self respect. Thats better
> >than the Repbulicans can expect.
> 
> Good point.
> 
> --
> Quote of the Week: "I feel good. I'm confident. Sleep good. Work
> hard. I mean I like to work. I like to campaign. I like people. I was
> out there the other night with flashlights."  Bob Dole, NYTimes 9/2/96.


    Hey, gang, remember, "Bob Dole, the ELECTABLE conservative"?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was The Mainline opiinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunhc of loons at one
point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep 24 16:40:13 PDT 1996
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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Eric, Kelso wrote:
> 
> In article <32404FEA.666B@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker 
> writes:
> 
> >Ursus Major wrote:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
> >> >
> >> >Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve
> >> >their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the
> >> >concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
> >> >
> >> >They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism,
> >> >multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
> >> >
> >> >May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue --
> >> >rapidly.
> >> >
> >> >With all good wishes,
> >> >
> >> >Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Kevin Alfred Strom
> >>
> >> Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
> >> The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
> >> WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
> >> official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
> >> and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
> >>    The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
> >> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
> >>         "Ursus Major"
> >
> >
> >     There is a new and fast-growing Soutehrn(Yes SOUTHERN) independence
> >movement, which
> >has already been denounced on teh editorial page of the Wall Street
> >Journal and discussed with surprising friendliness, in a national column
> >by George Will.  It is the Southern League.
> >   The Southern League's leaders are mostly PhD's, harking back to the
> >ninteenth century when nationalist movements were led by that nation's
> >intellectuals.  That was before they became academic bureaucrats and
> >faceless, cookie-cutter leftists.
> >    The Southern League has a net page:
> >    http://www.dixienet.org/
> 
> Even here in Alabama, most people recognize the Southern League as a collection
> of Loons.


       What you mean is, of the vanishingly few people who have even
head of the Southern League, it is looked on as a bunch of loons.  
That's true in South Carolina, too.
     The other early secession movement had very little support, too.  
In fact, even when Nullification was THER mainline opinion in SC in
1930, the upstate formed militians to fight for the Union.   I imagine
the Quebec movement was also looked on as a bunch of loons by the
Quebecois at one point.  I don't read about a lot of movement that start
out on tops.
     The reason for my comment about the PhDs was becaus, to Politically
Correct people, a PhD is in exactly the same position as a medieval
priest was in his society.    Social science PhD's make up the faculty
of what amounts to our liberal seminaries.  Here are some who are
complete apostates, from the days when "intellegensia" actually meant
something besides "academic bureaucrat".


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> [snipped]
> >> She didn't say such things in her post, yet again you appear to be
> >> fighting strawmen.
> >
> 
> >See below
> >
> 
> I did and I'm not impressed by what you had to say.
> 
> >> >> >    I have run into this very strange argument of yours before: "How
> >> >> >could I be an anti-white when I'm white?  That's so sick nobody could be
> >> >> >like that!"
> >> >>
> >> >> Yet again you are arguing with non-existent quotes by other people.
> >
> 
> >I've been dealing with you clones over a generation,a nd I know what you
> >say when you aren't being called on it.  Finsten's been turning blue
> >insisting she never hinted I was a Nazi until I reminded here how, at
> >first before she got called on this, she referred to me and everybody
> >"obengrupenfuhrer"-type German names.
> 
> Wrong. As far as I recall she only referred to Les Griswold in such a
> manner, presumably because of his various rabid utterances somewhat
> reminiscent of Nazi hate.


Let me repeat this again: all socialists are not communists and all
racists are not Nazis.  You would never refer to a democratic socialist
as having "communist-like views".   Let me repeat that: you would never
say a democratic socialist had "communist-like views"
     But you freely refer to anyone who does not follow establishment
orthodoxy on race as having "Nazi-like views".   It is totalitarianism,
not establishment ideology, which determines whether a socialist is a
communist or a racist is a Nazi.
    You clones keep saying you understand that perfectly and then you go
back to your usual groove.



> If you think this a serious issue then you are, of course, able to
> search out on DejaNews any such post where she used German type names
> for anybody other than Les Griswold. Speaking of whom, does anyone know
> the reason for his departure from this newsgroup?



No way.  It was a big deal to the clones, I DONT BELIEVE YOU WROTE
BOOKS.  Then it was proven it and it didn't mean a thing.  Which it
doesn't.  This is part of the standard "DUHH!" business you people use. 
Mommy Professor told you it sounds smart but what it really does is to
keep you from dealing with simple reality.
DUHH! is not for grownups. 
DUHH! is not for grownups.
DUHH! is not for grownups.




 
> >   I you and Brown will say that was not a hint that we were Nazis.
> >   It was.
> 
> It was a hint that Les Griswold had Nazi style views.
> 
> >   Every quote I hear, I and probably everybody reading this has heard
> >endless times(you're never original AT ALL) in talks with PC clones.
> 
> The argument is not about the "originality" of one's views. What exactly
> is a "PC clone" that you keep accusing me of being, if it is someone who
> disagrees with you then I suppose I am one, but in that case the phrase
> has lost all meaning (assuming it ever had any in the first place).


    Clones like you who follow whatever is the establishment line are
the sort of people no true tyrant can do without.   It is very important
that you are a clone.  So were the Nazi Storm Troopers.  So was the KGB.
    In this society, I would be ashamed NOT to be called a racist.




If you don't know what PC is, or what "clone" means, or what the
combination means, there ain't a hell of a lot I can do for you.


     
> >We have also heard the flat denials you ever said it, Finsten's "I never
> >say Nazi....Nazi!" bit as above.
> >
> 
> Er, I'm not Laura Finsten, why are you throwing this statement at me?



YOu said she hadn't even hinted anyone was a Nazi, as she did.


 
> >> Yet again you spew forth the word "clone" as if it actually meant
> >> something. The only concern I have for your racial feelings is to
> >> dispute your arguments when you express and bigotry and hatred for those
> >> who you disagree with.
> >>
> >> I certainly have no white racial concerns, I do not share your fixation
> >> about "White" people.



Note the quotes.  That means one is concern For "whites".  When you are
accusing whites of being evil, they become whites, no quotes.
    Oh, you care about whites, all right.  Like Hitler cared for the
Jews.




> 
> >    Why do you bother to say that?  That's the public position of all
> >clones.
> 
> Why, because that is my view. Whether or not other people share my view
> is irrelevant to why I might say it. Are we to infer that you think any
> statement worthless just because some other people may share the same
> viewpoint?
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


From bwhit@conterra.com Tue Sep 24 23:07:48 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Anne Rice, Clones and Bigots
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:06:09 -0400
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Anne Rice, as all know, is from New Orleans.  She had a character in
one of her books, who was raised in New Orleans and lived in California,
say something like, "Sure we were bigots down there, but at least we
were individuals.  I can't belive it when I hear people in California
say things like, 'Aren't we boycotting grapes?'"
   The problem is that a person who throws his entire attention into not
being bigotted will always end up brainwashed.   We have an entire
society desperatly seeking Objective Opinions so they won't be called
racists or Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.
   They run around desperately calling blacks by whatever new name has
been come up with this year.   They are afraid to express any opinion,
for fear it might not be Objective.
   You can't do any of that and stay free.


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To: Andy Walton 

Andy Walton wrote:
> 
> In article <3240C5FC.6956@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
>   :      Remember that letting the Croats and Serbs define themselves is
>   :now the very definition of Nazism.
> 
> (Sigh.)
> 
> No. Letting the Serbs and Croats murder anyone they do not consider Serbs
> or Croats is the very definition of Nazism. Why is this so difficult for
> you to grasp?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals
>    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus
    

    (sigh) What you are saying is that Croat and Serbian nationalists in
Bosnia are all Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Dave Harman OBC  wrote:
> >In  ae494@freenet.durham.org (MICHAEL SMITH)
> >writes:
> >
> >! I'm curious, people here seem to have beliefs they are willing to defend
> >! and/or insult others who do not agree with, yet none of them properly
> >! explain why they believe what they believe.  Do they believe based
> >! on personal experiences of one sort or another, things they read,
> >! discusses and deduced by themselves, things they were taught or
> >! merely a desire to conform to their peers apparant beliefs.  I'm
> >! just curious, for my own information.  Could someone respond
> >! to this or Email, I don't care.  I would really like to know
> >! how individuals come to accept and believe certain ideologies.
> >
> >Anti-racists do it because of their lazy belief system that follows
> >the system wherever it goes.  Conformity, in other words.
> 
> The mental laziness here can actually be attributed to the likes of you
> and Bob Whitaker who constantly make such charges of conformity or "PC
> clones", apparently this is a substitute for any kind of thought or
> reasoned discourse on your part.
> 
> You are of course patently wrong and naive when you assert that anti-
> racists follow "the system wherever it goes", this sort of comment
> appears to be a device you use simply to oppose anti-racists without
> having to think or show that you are able to think.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/




     Let me repeat this yet again:  everything you say has been said
hundreds of times at public expense and everybody has heard it all many,
many, many times.
     If you want an original reply, say something original.
     I'll keep on repeating.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >      Your heroes are spending so much money, time and effort to get us
> >to accept our own disappearance into a brown soup.   Natural or not,
> >it's clearly waht millions of us want, or you wouldn't have to devote
> >all that time and efort to your ethnic balance social engineering
> >program.
> 
> Yeah, well there are probably "millions" who would like to see women
> out of the workforce and back into the kitchen, too.  That doesn't mean
> that it is "natural", or that it is consistent with your national
> ideology, or that it is consistent with justice.



    So if one does not have racial balance and massive immigration and
integration in all majoiority white coutnries, it's just hte same as
forcing women to work in the kitchen, eh?
    Well, at least to declare that I hate women is a variation on the A
Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews bit.



> 
> [...]
> 
> >   No redheads have asked for such a state.  If millions did, of
> >course.   That's a pretty obvious comment, but what people want never
> >occurs to you as being important in your fanaticism for ethnic balance.
> >    Ethnic balance in whtie majority countries only, of course.
> 
> And who, pray tell, has said anything about striving for "ethnic balance",
> if by that you mean a population in either your nation or mine which is,
> what, proportional the major nationalities extant in the world?  And if
> that isn't what you mean, what do you mean by "ethnic balance", Mr.
> Whitaker?  It isn't a term I've used.

   It's standard stuff for folks like you.  I have have heard clones ,
when they see a dozen white kids together, say with a sneer, "They're
all white!", as if it were a crime.  Your wanting lots of lots of Third
Worlders in Canada is the same sort of thing.  There just can't be any
white places in your world.




> 
> [...]
> 
> >    You say I'm repetitious, but you never hear me.  I didn't say any of
> >the things Mommy professor told you that people like me all say: about
> >how I hate non-whites and call them lazy, etc.
> 
> Just terrified that future bearers of your genes may have brown skin,
> Mr. Whitaker?  Why is that such a fearful prospect?  Because it isn't
> "natural"?
> 
> >     I don't object.  I understand you really don't know how to say
> >anything else in such a discussion.
> >    As I have said many, many times, and will say many, many times
> >again, my aim is solely to save my own race from your Final Solution.
> 
> Save "your race" from what, Mr. Whitaker?  If "your race" is more than
> "white skin", then what exactly is saved by instituting a "racially"
> homogeneous state?

   Once again, and again,  and again, and agian, and you complain and
don''t hear me , so I say it again:  this DUHH! crap doesn't work with
grownups.  We know exactly who whites are, and when you want to blame
Evil Whites, you never show any hesitation about who they are.
    DUHH! is not for grownups.
    DUHH! is not for grownups.
    DUHH! is not for grownups.
    I'll keep repeating.





> 
> I find your equation of integration with Hitler's Final Solution
> offensive beyond belief, but I'm sure you know that.  Integration does
> not *force* people to marry and/or have children with individuals whose
> skin colour, religion or ethnic background is a different from their own.
> Integration does not set out to actively exterminate entire groups of
> people because they are subhuman.
> You really could use a little perspective.  And/or a couple of sperm
> bottles to save your genes for posterity.

   


As I have have said over and over, you so-called "integration" is aimed
at imtegrating only race, and only in every single majority-white part
of the world.  It is aimed entirely at whites.   It is targetted and it
is genocide.





> 
> >    I'll keep repeating.
> >    You say I just keep on calling you clones.  How many times do you
> >repeat "Hate"?   I call you clones because you talking dolls are clones.
> 
> So what is it about "white skin" that means it must endure beyond all
> costs, Mr. Whitaker?  What is it about "white skin" that is more important
> than the ideals enshrined in your country's constitution?
>




DUHH! is not for grownups.
DUHH! is not for grownups.
DUHH! is not for grownups.





> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>      Emma Goldman


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: THE CLONES USED TO SCREAM "COMMIT", NOW THEY SCREAM "NAZI'
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In the 1920's, when the establishment in power was the capitalist
big-business group, workers tried to organize and ran slap bang into the
label "communist".   They felt they were being exploited, but that, they
were told, was only because they didn't Undrerstand the Scientific
Truth.
    The official Scientific Truth inthe 1920's, to which college
faculties slavishly adhered, was that the open market gave everybody his
due, period.  Anyone who tried to
challenge that Scientific Order endorsed by practically the entire
American  PhD priesthood, was sternly reminded of "what happened in
Russia".
    Today's Official Scientific Truth proceeds from the largest industry
in human history: the education-welfare esqablishment, of which today's
social scientiists are an integral part.   And guess what?  Today's
Scientific Truth just happens to be in line with that.
    There is nurture and there is nature, and what w call nurture is
also what the education-welfare establishment produces: education, child
care, nutrition programs, the whole bit.  It is an industry that makes
the Defense Department seem like peanuts, and the Defense Department
makes any of our Big Businesses look like peanuts.
    In the 1920's, the Politically Correct clone never referred to the
business establishment as an interest group.  After all, he would say,
those businesses are competing with each other, so how do you define
"interest group", etc., etc., etc.
    Sound familiar?
    And in the 1920's., the Politically Correct clones would say that
the position of workers merely represented the Scientific Truth of
Economics.
    And in the 1920's, the Politically Correct clone would hint or shout
taht anyone who challenged this Scientific Truth was a Bolshevik.  They
didn't actualy say that every labor union was made up of Communists Who
Wanted To Kill Ten Million Kulaks, but they were no more subtle than
today's clones in  indicating it.
    Anyone who is Politically Correct today has been taught that reforms
in the system saved capitalism.  It's pretty obvious that if people are
deeply concerned about something and all you do is tell them that the
PhD priesthod says they are fighting Scientific Truth and anyway they're
all Communists, you drive the workers into the Communist Party.  If that
stance had been maintained, every college graduate now knows, capitalism
would have been doomed.
    But they never think about the real lesson of this, the one we need
today.  Under this establishment, exactly, precisely the same tactics
are being used on  the now Politically Correct left.  And they simply
cannot understand why this society is becoming more and more divided on
us and them basis.
    There is no better way to make Communism popular than to insist that
any control over capitalism is Unscientific and Communist.  There is no
better way to make Nazism popular than to insist that any concern for
the white race is Nazi.
     This kind of crap works for a while, but it eventually destroys the
establishment that pushes it.  Then all the clones go to the other side,
insist on the new Scientific Truth, and shriek epithets for their new
masters.


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >> >Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dr. Bob sent me the following e-mail today and, since I really don't want
> >> >> his spittle-laden rants filling my mailbox, I'll reply to him here.
> >> >
> >> >> Listen here, you demented old fart: I mentioned an incident involving one
> >> >> skinhead rapist and one thirteen-year-old girl. I would be just as angry
> >> >> regardless of the ethic background of either party,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   Not a single person reading this actually believes you would denounce
> >> >a black raping a white girl -- a VERY common thing -- like you did this
> >> >swastikaed hood.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You do not speak for every person reading this newsgroup.
> >
> 
> >   You're right.  I can't speak for the really dumb ones.
> 
> And who are these "dumb ones" you refer to?
> 
> >
> >> >and I hope that the son
> >> >> of a bitch is lined up against a wall and shot after he's caught. When it
> >> >> comes to sexual predators and pedophiles, I part company with my liberal
> >> >> compadres, because I don't believe that they can be rehabilitated, that
> >> >> they deserve multiple opportunities via parole and probation, or that
> >> >> society benefits one iota by keeping these animals fed, clothed, and locked
> >> >> up until they're deemed sufficiently rehabilitated to turn them loose to
> >> >> stalk, terrorize and brutalize a new set of victims.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for the lack of quotes around white: I am white, so are my husband and
> >> >> my children. Big deal. We have done nothing to merit this characteristic,
> >> >> and we feel no special pride or sense of accomplishment because of our pale
> >> >> skin.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >    You say here you have no feeeling for the white race.  That's not
> >> >true.  You want it immigrated and integrated out of existence.
> >>
> >> She never said that in her post.
> >
> >Then why does she keep advocating immigration and integration for every
> >white majority country as a final solution to race(white) problem?  And
> >why does she keep insisting that she has a right to do this because the
> >white race doesn't really exist?
> 
> She didn't say such things in her post, yet again you appear to be
> fighting strawmen.



See below




> 
> >
> >> >    I have run into this very strange argument of yours before: "How
> >> >could I be an anti-white when I'm white?  That's so sick nobody could be
> >> >like that!"
> >>
> >> Yet again you are arguing with non-existent quotes by other people.




I've been dealing with you clones over a generation,a nd I know what you
say when you aren't being called on it.  Finsten's been turning blue
insisting she never hinted I was a Nazi until I reminded here how, at
first before she got called on this, she referred to me and everybody
"obengrupenfuhrer"-type German names.
   I you and Brown will say that was not a hint that we were Nazis.
   It was.
   Every quote I hear, I and probably everybody reading this has heard
endless times(you're never original AT ALL) in talks with PC clones.  
We have also heard the flat denials you ever said it, Finsten's "I never
say Nazi....Nazi!" bit as above.





> >>
> >> >    It's a really funny argument, since everything else you say is
> >> >anti-white and you say that the only mentally healthy whites are
> >> >anti-white.   When anyone dares say anything good about whites or
> >> >expresses concern for their existence, you clones reply with "whites" in
> >> >quotes.   When you say somethin nasty about whites i.e., when you
> >> >mention whites, there are not quotes.  For you , the white race exists
> >> >only when it is insulted.
> >>
> >> >    I do agree it's very, very sick, and things like you shouldn't
> >> >exist, but you do.
> >>
> >> Ah, another example of the wonderful humanity exhibited by the White
> >> fixationists.
> >
> >   Yea.  I notice how deeply concerned you clones are about my feelings
> >or any white racial concerns.
> 
> Yet again you spew forth the word "clone" as if it actually meant
> something. The only concern I have for your racial feelings is to
> dispute your arguments when you express and bigotry and hatred for those
> who you disagree with.
> 
> I certainly have no white racial concerns, I do not share your fixation
> about "White" people.
>


    Why do you bother to say that?  That's the public position of all
clones.


> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 26 14:44:38 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ?
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:38:30 -0400
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> In article , Dave Harman OBC 
> writes
> >In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne
> >Kowalewski) writes:
> >
> >! I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want to
> >! deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the same way



Good God!  A Politically Correct person isshedding crocodile tears
because someone is persecuting someone for BELIEVING differently?
    Teach your grandmother to suck eggs.



> >
> >Anti-racists want to kill me, you, your children, my children, and all of
> >the English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, Polish, Wallonians, Latvians,
> >Russians, and everyone else who makes up the hundreds of ethnic groups that
> >create the white race, as the entirety will die without internal support.
> 
> This is the most ridiculous diatribe I've seen on this newsgroup just
> recently.



Damn it, you clones are so promiscuous.  You were saying the same thing
about me.  Now all the other clones will take away my insult and give it
to Strom and all the rest of us.




> 
> >
> >Who cares whether our people die now or in 2100?
> 
> What the hell or you on about, and what is so special about the year
> 2100??




You really do have to spoon feed these clones, don't you?




> 
> >The result of global genocide is the same.
> 
> There is no genocide being perpetrated by anti-racists, I suggest you
> get a grip on reality and also use a dictionary when determining your
> choice of words.
    


      If you can keep repeating this crap, i'll keep repeating the
answer:
You clones are pushing your immigration, integration, and intermarriage
as "the final solution to the RACE problem".
      But you don't go crazy when Japan doesn't bring in immigrants,
only when the Unitged States or Britain or some other white-majority
country wants to cut back on Third World immigration.   
   I know, like al clones, you are going to deny what you say all the
time when you are called on it: "The real solution to the race problem
is racial intermarriage".
   But all this immigration and integration and intermarriage is ONLY to
take place in white majority countries.  It is nonviolent, but it is
targetted against one race.
   That means it's genocide.
   Would you like me to repeat that?




> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 26 14:44:39 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.censorship,alt.religion.scientology,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: ?
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:58:47 -0400
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Dave Harman OBC wrote:
> 
> In <3248dff4.496467@192.168.2.1> stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve A) writes:
> 
> ! How many female schoolteachers do you know carry sidearms in the
> ! US?
> 
> Some, not enough.
> 
> ! The only people on the scene were female schoolteachers.
> 
> And children.  Some children are taught shooting and responsibility at
> an age as young as five, and they have lower rates of accidents and
> crime than the firearm-deprived.



   A year ago, when concealed weapon permits were being considered in
many states, every single one of these gun-grabbers was shrieking, and I
mean shrieking:  "IT"LL BE DODGE CITY!!!   IT'LL BE SLAUGHTER IN THE
STREETS!"
   Now that 31 states have these permits, and crime has gone down
inevery one of them, these people are quietly arguing that it wasn't
actually the gun permits wthat caused the REDUCTION in violent crime.
   And absolutely everybody but me seems to have gforgotten all th at
screaming about slaughter in the streets they were doing.
    If you control the press, you can use the good old Orwellian Memory
Hole.


From bwhit@conterra.com Thu Sep 26 20:28:03 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why do you believe it???????????
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> The word according to tom moran:
> >ae494@freenet.durham.org (MICHAEL SMITH) wrote:
> >
> >>I'm curious, people here seem to have beliefs they are willing to defend
> >>and/or insult others who do not agree with, yet none of them properly
> >>explain why they believe what they believe.  Do they believe based
> >>on personal experiences of one sort or another, things they read,
> >>discusses and deduced by themselves, things they were taught or
> >>merely a desire to conform to their peers apparant beliefs.  I'm
> >>just curious, for my own information.  Could someone respond
> >>to this or Email, I don't care.  I would really like to know
> >>how individuals come to accept and believe certain ideologies.
> >>
> >>Thankyou, Mike
> >
> >       Humanity is such that there are those who believe whatever, and
> >those who come to question.
> 
> Simplistic drivel.
> 
> >       It is partially the cause from the evolutionary dynamics of the
> >universe. We all have a piece of each step. Nature is not fair. Some
> >get caught with more primitive genes than others. Thus the tribal
> >instinct is still with us.
> 
> ROTFL.
> 
> >       Blind acceptance is probably a genetically based propensity
> >common to many. Maybe to most.
> 
> ROTFL.
> 
> >       Thought itself is a evolutionary process. There are two basic
> >ways of thinking. One is the emotional and the other is the empirical.
> 
> This is rather simplistic claptrap.

Gosh, listen to all them new ideas of Babbington's!  Wow, what DEEP
thoughts!
    Good clone.

 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 27 08:57:33 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Hitler suicide? Not necessarily....
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:01:57 -0400
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> : >   libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
> : >  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> : >  : >   schwartz@infinet.com writes to Gordon McFee::
> : >
> : >  :   Thomas paints a very compelling picture of a Hitler in the bunker who was
> : >  : >  completely out of control, and was in fact, mrudered by his own men, who
> : >  : >  wanted to get the hell out of there.
> : >  :
> : >  : Funny it didn't happen that way.
> : >
> : >  Apparently, Mr. Belling was there.  We may finally have discovered
> : >  what happened to Martin Bormann...
> 
> : You're too clever.
> 
> Yes, I am.  Thank you.
> 
> Now, are you going to explain to us how you know what happened in
> Hitler's bunker?
> 
> Bill


      Hey, I understand Hitler is alive and somebody asked him how he's
going to take back over.
      Der Feuhrer replied, "I'm not sure.  But this time, no more Mister
Nice Guy."


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 27 10:30:46 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Anne Rice, Clones and Bigots
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:55:32 -0400
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> "Jeffrey G. Brown"  wrote:
> >In article <32483F31.1F87@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> >
> >> They are afraid to express any opinion, for fear it might not be Objective.
> >>    You can't do any of that and stay free.
> >
> >It is, however, possible to express opinions without lying about what
> >other people have said and done. You have lied about what others have said
> >and done, Whitaker, and it is your lies, rather than your opinions, that
> >are the most deserving of denunciation.
> 
> It suggests to me that Bob Whitaker is experiencing severe paranoid
> delusions.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/




   All your Great New Ideas consist of snotty little remarks.
     You're a good clone.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 27 17:23:23 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Anne Rice, Clones and Bigots
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:29:09 -0400
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To: evil Beavis 

evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > Anne Rice, as all know, is from New Orleans.  She had a character in
> > one of her books, who was raised in New Orleans and lived in California,
> > say something like, "Sure we were bigots down there, but at least we
> > were individuals.  I can't belive it when I hear people in California
> > say things like, 'Aren't we boycotting grapes?'"
> >    The problem is that a person who throws his entire attention into not
> > being bigotted will always end up brainwashed.   We have an entire
> > society desperatly seeking Objective Opinions so they won't be called
> > racists or Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.
> >    They run around desperately calling blacks by whatever new name has
> > been come up with this year.   They are afraid to express any opinion,
> > for fear it might not be Objective.
> >    You can't do any of that and stay free.
> 
> You're saying we cannot be courteous and respectful of other cultures
> and enjoy diversity without being free?!! You seem to know so VERY
> little about the world around you for your age Bob...!
> 
> eB


     Like all the clones, Little Beaver reacts to every concept with one
of Mommy Professors standard statements.  
     But this one was REALLY a reach?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: THE CLONES USED TO SCREAM "COMMIT", NOW THEY SCREAM "NAZI'
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Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> 
> In article <32495F99.747C@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> [drooling diatribe snipped]
>


   If it were a drooling diatribe, yoou would quote it to show how 
silly it was.  Anybody reading this knows that it's effective, or you
wouldn't snip it.




> Commit Dr. Bob, who thinks that he's called "A! Nazi! Who! Wants! To! Kill!
> Six! Million! Jews!!!"
> 
> BTW, didn't you mean to type "COMMIE" in the header, you delusional old fart?
> 
> --
> Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
> Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
> http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
> 
> "Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, I'm not an authority on jewish fairy-tales.  Guess I'll
> go hang my head in shame."
> -----Les Griswold


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 27 17:23:24 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: IT'S ALL BEEN HEARD, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S BECOMING DISCREDITTED
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It is true that clones live on a different planet from the rest of
us, but even out there there are some things that they cannot be
completely ignorant of.
    One of these is the simple fact that everybody in this ng has heard
every single thing they say dozens to hundreds of times at public
expense in school, not to mention as many times in the media.
    Kasiecki gave the standard litany about Evil Whites just now that we
have all heard at the very least hundreds of times.  He forgot to say
SIX Million Jews specificaly, or to bemoan the fate of the Native
Americans, but otherwise it was a pretty good tape replay.  We've all
heard that.
    The conclusion one normally draws from that repetition, the Final
Solution to the White Problem, is what I'm attacking.  That is what
racists are concerned about, bottom line.  But you think that, if you
can repeat all the standard stuff rapidly enough, you can avoid that
question.
    You don't want civil rights or anything else.  More and more people
are really becoming aware that you will settle for nothing less than a
nonviolent form of genocide.
When I bring up the Final Solution tot he White Problem, your response
is never "NO", it is always justification.
    Your justification means a resounding "Yes".  When you respond to my
concern by saying "the 'white race' doesn't exist", what you are saying
is you are looking to the Final Solution, but it's OK.   When you
respond by saying the white race generally and we personally are evil,
you are saying yes.
    And all the theoretical crap you use to justify this comes from the
same mill that every liberal-leftist program has come from.  It's turned
our streets into jungles and has made our public schools into a national
disaster.   In every area, these convenient justifications for expanding
the power of social planners has been a disaster.
    And then, in the most hilarious turn of all, you accuse ME of being
repetitious!
    Your problem is not that your garbage hasn't been heard, but that,
in action, it's been discreditted.


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> In article , Dave Harman OBC 
> writes
> >In  Dene Bebbington 
> >writes:
> >
> >! for anybody other than Les Griswold. Speaking of whom, does anyone know
> >! the reason for his departure from this newsgroup?
> >
> >Hopefully siring more white life.
> >
> 
> God help any child of Griswold's.
> 
> >! It was a hint that Les Griswold had Nazi style views.
> >
> >And you have Fascist style views, as the Fascists were anti-racist.
> 
> We could play semantic games here, but fascists are not necessarily
> either racist or anti-racist. By the generally accepted meaning of the
> word there is no way that I'm a facist.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com


    A Fascist is a person who believes in "one man, one vote", with the
man specified.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Thoughts on America then and now
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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:
> 
> >evil Beavis  wrote:
> 
> >*As this country is changing and its demographics transform, the
> >country
> >*will accomodate and incorporate the new impulses whether xenophobes
> >like
> >*you like it or not. America will indeed be a scary place to live for
> >*those poor sould who are afraid of everything they do not recognize
> >or
> >*understand! Have fun under you rock - America is moving forward with
> >or
> >*without you!!
> >*
> >*eB
> 
> >Ya sure, the >Swenske Troll< has spoken! Well, I can tell you, YOU
> >RACE-TRAITOR!, the descendents of those who endured unimaginable
> >hardships to blaze a trail from the Mississippi to the Oregon coast--
> >yes, with Swedes among the WHITE migration, suffering like the rest
> >(but Swedes of a different stock than scum like you)--are NOT throwing
> >in the towel, rolling over, and playing dead to accommodate swarms of
> >two-legged locust, who would still be eating each other, if the
> >Spaniards hadn't put a stop to their quaint custom (which ought to be
> >REVIVED). What you need is a one-way ticket to Nigeria--and I do mean
> >ONE way!
> 
> Good to see that the Big Dipper of El Toro is not just an anti-Semite,
> but a good ol'-fashioned racist as well.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> =================================================================
> 
> What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html
> 
> The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608
> 
> "Peyno derech Hashem"
> --Yeshayahu 40:3


   In this time of Political Correctness, what kingd of free person
would NOT be a racist? 
   As for the standard Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews bit,
Mathis is one of those people who find out he's a quarter Jewish or
Indians and decides to become a pro-  fessional victim.   That's OK at a
PC cocktail party but it's a little silly out here in reality.


From bwhit@conterra.com Fri Sep 27 20:03:37 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Thoughts on America then and now
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:10:22 -0400
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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:
> 
> >evil Beavis  wrote:
> 
> >*As this country is changing and its demographics transform, the
> >country
> >*will accomodate and incorporate the new impulses whether xenophobes
> >like
> >*you like it or not. America will indeed be a scary place to live for
> >*those poor sould who are afraid of everything they do not recognize
> >or
> >*understand! Have fun under you rock - America is moving forward with
> >or
> >*without you!!
> >*
> >*eB
> 
> >Ya sure, the >Swenske Troll< has spoken! Well, I can tell you, YOU
> >RACE-TRAITOR!, the descendents of those who endured unimaginable
> >hardships to blaze a trail from the Mississippi to the Oregon coast--
> >yes, with Swedes among the WHITE migration, suffering like the rest
> >(but Swedes of a different stock than scum like you)--are NOT throwing
> >in the towel, rolling over, and playing dead to accommodate swarms of
> >two-legged locust, who would still be eating each other, if the
> >Spaniards hadn't put a stop to their quaint custom (which ought to be
> >REVIVED). What you need is a one-way ticket to Nigeria--and I do mean
> >ONE way!
> 
> Good to see that the Big Dipper of El Toro is not just an anti-Semite,
> but a good ol'-fashioned racist as well.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> =================================================================
> 
> What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html
> 
> The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608
> 
> "Peyno derech Hashem"
> --Yeshayahu 40:3


   In this time of Political Correctness, what kingd of free person
would NOT be a racist? 
   As for the standard Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews bit,
Mathis is one of those people who find out he's a quarter Jewish or
Indians and decides to become a pro-  fessional victim.   That's OK at a
PC cocktail party but it's a little silly out here in reality.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 02:09:23 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why do you believe it???????????
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> The word according to tom moran:
> >
> >> >       Thought itself is a evolutionary process. There are two basic
> >> >ways of thinking. One is the emotional and the other is the empirical.
> >>
> >> This is rather simplistic claptrap.
> >
> >Gosh, listen to all them new ideas of Babbington's!  Wow, what DEEP
> >thoughts!
> 
> The facist clone in action again.
> 
> >    Good clone.
> 
> Oh wow Bob, what another really deep and well thought out response.
> 
> Bad facist clone. (Yeah Bob, isn't it easy to sloganise using your
> favourite word, doesn't mean much but you seem more comfortable with
> this sort of attempt at discourse.)
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


     You're still 100% snotty remarks.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> The word according to tom moran:
> >
> >> >       Thought itself is a evolutionary process. There are two basic
> >> >ways of thinking. One is the emotional and the other is the empirical.
> >>
> >> This is rather simplistic claptrap.
> >
> >Gosh, listen to all them new ideas of Babbington's!  Wow, what DEEP
> >thoughts!
> 
> The facist clone in action again.
> 
> >    Good clone.
> 
> Oh wow Bob, what another really deep and well thought out response.
> 
> Bad facist clone. (Yeah Bob, isn't it easy to sloganise using your
> favourite word, doesn't mean much but you seem more comfortable with
> this sort of attempt at discourse.)

   No problem.   Labels don't bother people who know they don't apply to
them.
   The reason the word clone bothers you clones so much is because all
of society now knows PC clones for what they are.  They know what you
are, and what hurts even more, so do you.



> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 02:09:25 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:43:50 -0400
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> In article <529dp6$1ct@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros  writes
> >In article <528eth$g9b@news1.ucsd.edu>, fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu says...
> >>
> >>Ourobouros wrote:
> >
> >>: True.  I suppose I will have to define at some stage a distance category.
> >>: Like the blue-blood test it is not perfect.  They do however help in
> >>: quickly determining half-breeds.
> >>
> >>Again, what is the purpose?
> >>
> >To determine halfbreeds which is what I stated.
> 
> Er, yes, but to what purpose, why on earth do you want to identify
> "half-breeds"??
> 
> Anyways, you haven't even provided any coherent and properly delimited
> definition of what a white person is, so it's unlikely you're going to
> be able to determine half-breeds.
> 
> >>: Do you have Negro fat lips?
> >>
> >>What are 'Negro fat lips'?
> >>
> >Lips that most Negroes has (exceptions being some halfbreeds).  This
> >should have been obvious.
> 
> And your source for this sweeping generalisation? Oh, and while you're
> at it perhaps you can define exactly what lip size defines "Negro fat
> lips".
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com
 


  Dene says "DUHH!"
  It's amazing how easy it is to define white when you clonesa are
saying something nasty about them.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 02:14:15 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: The Criminalization of Freedom of Association
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The Generalissimo wrote:
> 
> evil Beavis wrote:
> >
> > Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> > >
> > > Ken McVay writes in message :
> > >
> > > > What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being forced to ride
> > > > in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > > association;" being forced to use "coloured only" washrooms wasn't "the
> > > > criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to avoid "whites
> > > > only" "public" buildings wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > > association;" being forced to serve in segregated military units wasn't
> > > >"the criminalization of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid
> > > > the United States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> > > >
> > > > Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a
> > > > "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal muscle
> > > > to enforce existing voter registration legislation?
> > >
> > > It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if I
> > > do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two
> > > consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was to
> > > force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through the
> > > threat of fines and imprisonment.
> > >
> > > My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but I
> > > seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with one
> > > another had many opportunities to do so.
> >
> > It was made very hard beacuse of people like you. Not to mention
> > potentially very dangerous. We will never revert to the days when
> > cowardly bigots ran this country and killed and terrorized in the South
> > with impunity.
> >
> > eB
> 
> Wow, eb?  Long time no hear!  As factual a post as any you have made
> though.  Packed with non emotional fact.  Too bad you could not footnote
> those.  When you post, post who said it, and what was said, like the
> following:
> 
>  "I can maybe work with him, (The
> Slickster) but I now know who he is, and what he is.  There is nothing
> he won't do,
> he is immune to shame.  Move past all the nice posturing and get really
> down there
> in him you find absolutely nothing, nothing but an appetite."
> 
> The Rightous Reverend Jessie Jackson, speaking about the values of bill
> clinton.

   I remember segregation very well, and I have seen the version of it
Little Beaver is referring to on TV:
    a black man comes into a white restaurant asking to buy a loaf of
bread to his sick, starving wife, and the lynch mob forms.
    Little Beaver is saying, like all the clones, that he wants his
ethnic balance program and the Final Solution to the White Problem, and
all  of us know it.
    One of the biggest arguments of the integrationists was that sickos
who would stand for the disappearance of the white race into a brown
soup simply did not exist in the real world.   Well, that turned out to
be as true as everything else the libs said.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 02:14:16 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Am I a racist?
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:38:44 -0400
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <3249ED68.6AC9@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > If racism is acknowledging that races exist, and that there are
> > differences among the various races, and that those differences have a
> > profound effect upon society and the quality of human life, then racism
> > is good and any departure from it is also a departure from sanity.
> 
> The problem, of course, is that the racists assume that it is the
> differences _themselves_ that have profound effects upon society and the
> quality of human life, and not our assumptions about those differences.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


    And the problem with you clones is that everything you say amounts
to a demand that whites give up more and more to nonwhites, including
their lands and their very existence.
    It will be a long cold time in Purgatory before any of you ever say
anything good about whites.


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Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> In article <526ovf$3c0@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros writes:
> > In article <525m21$ai5@gyda.ifi.uio.no>, christop@ifi.uio.no says...
> 
>         [snip]
> 
> > >> I am suggesting that studies into human genetics concerning directly or
> > >> indirectly race have slowed down "for fear of discovering racial
> > >> differences."
> > >Because you're only *suggesting* instead of claiming, does that mean you don't
> > >have any evidence of this?
> > >Your conspiracy theory is nothing short of ridiculous.
> > Perhaps you could explain the almost dead discussion in science over
> > racial differences from the mid 80s to now?  The only books you'll
> > discover are books concerned with social implications.
> 
> If the scientific discussion in "racial" differences has nearly died after
> being active for a century or so, does not that indicate that there are no
> differences worth debating?
> 
> > Why the drop off?
> 
> Or are you claiming that there is a conspiracy out to silence those that do
> find any differences? Kind of like "Project Blue Book", eh? And Holden's
> paleontological conspiracy...





   Good God, you are a good boy!  
   The demand that any book which finds racial differences is made
openly all the time in your  "anti-racist"(antiwhite) circles.
    This is another "I never say Nazi...Nazi!" bit.
    Under the laws you support, a person can go to jail for it.
    Can't you clones come up with ANYTHING that isn't just a verbose
version of three or four cliches?






> 
>         [nyah nyah nyahs]
> 
> > >> If enough people believe in it, it becomes fact "Miss Finsten."  Whether
> > >> they such things are correct is another story entirely.
> > >Have you ever considered applying the above paragraph to your own racial
> > >theories, "nigger"?
> > Not enough people believe in it for a start.  This should have been obvious
> > to even the dimmest of people.  The media are completely opposed to us.
> 
> And so is everyone else.
> 
>         [snip]
> 
> > >How do you, a "white man", think of yourself regarding the Maories? Are you an
> > >invader? Or have you merely settled "uninhabited land"? Should all Euros Go
> > >Home?
> 
> > We settled uninhabited or waste land.
> 
> So where did the Maories come from?
> 
> > I don't mind if the Maori get all the land, so long as we get our weapons
> > back.  Since we developed the land for them, we should also get our
> > developed weapons at the same time.
> 
> So if the Maories give you all the guns they have, you'll climb into a boat
> and start rowing? Sounds like a good deal.
>


   OH, HORSESHIT!
   But there is NO WAY you clones will allow it.  Wherever whites go is
where nonwhites wants to be, and where you demand that they be.
    It is easy for you to say it's a good deal when you ar the one who
demands the laws that exist to prohibit whites to live separately
anywhere on earth.





> > Ourobouros.
> 
>         C. Lund, Oslo   http://www.ifi.uio.no/~christop/shame.html


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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> An addition to the world according to tom moran:
> >
> >Dene Bebbington's introduction to his emotional response:
> >>The word according to tom moran:
> >
> >>Moran:
> >>>       Humanity is such that there are those who believe whatever, and
> >>>those who come to question.
> >
> >Mr.Bebbington:
> >>Simplistic drivel.
> 
> If you feel so unemotionally about this then perhaps you can enlighten
> us to the reasons for thinking that humanity is such a simplistic
> dichotomy between those who believe whatever and those who come to
> question.
> 
> >
> >>Moran:
> >>>       It is partially the cause from the evolutionary dynamics of the
> >>>universe. We all have a piece of each step. Nature is not fair. Some
> >>>get caught with more primitive genes than others. Thus the tribal
> >>>instinct is still with us.
> >
> >Mr.Bebbington:
> >>ROTFL.
> 
> Perhaps you could therefore unemotionally present us with the grounds by
> which we should believe your simplistic view of human genetics.
> 
> >
> >>Moran:
> >>>       Blind acceptance is probably a genetically based propensity
> >>>common to many. Maybe to most.
> >
> >Mr.Bebbington:
> >>ROTFL.
> 
> Again I ask you to provide us with the scientific grounds for believing
> your simplistic view of human genetics.
> 
> >
> >>Moran:
> >>>       Thought itself is a evolutionary process. There are two basic
> >>>ways of thinking. One is the emotional and the other is the empirical.
> >
> >The end of Mr.Bebbington's emotional response.
> >
> 
> My "emotional" response was because I found your silly and uninformed
> views of human nature and genetics to be laughable at best. You are of
> course welcome to back up all your original statements with something
> more substantive and thought out.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


    Besides snotty remarks about how unintellectual the man is, you have
said absolutely nothing.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 09:32:23 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Careful: If You Disagree With Giwer, He Wants You Dead
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 05:27:37 -0400
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Daniel Keren wrote:
> 
>         Giwer wants to kill people who disagree
>             with him about historical facts
>         ---------------------------------------
> 
> Since my opinion about the attack on the USS Liberty,
> in the midst of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, differs from
> his (I believe the attack was an accident), Matt Giwer
> says I deserve to die, and he adds an explicit threat to
> kill me himself.
> 
> Score one for "revisionist support for freedom of speech".
> 
> Needless to say, no "revisionist" has denounced Giwer
> for all of this.
> 
>  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 09:07:00 EDT 1996
>  Article: 121220 of alt.revisionism
> 
> [Giwer writes to me]
> 
> # Were you at my back in combat I would turn and kill you
> # first as you can not be trusted to have loyalties to the
> # US above all others.
> 
>  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 17:58:06 EDT 1996
>  Article: 122260 of alt.revisionism
> 
> # Keren of course is an apologist liar for murdering jews and
> # a traitor because his loyalties are to Israel rather than to
> # the US.
> #
> # The curse is upon him.
> #
> # He and everyone like him has been formally reported to the US
> # Gov and they have no mroe chance of getting or retaining a
> # security clearance than Pollard and for the same reason, they
> # are no loyal Americans.
> #
> # They have all supported Isreali murders of Americans.
> #
> # Their fate should be death but the curse is now upon them.
> 
>  From mgiwer@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 18:10:17 EDT 1996
>  Article: 122347 of alt.revisionism
> 
> [Giwer writes to me]
> 
> # May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your
> # apart.  May you know death from drowning.
> 
> # And may you live to suffer all again and again until the
> # end of time and from then into eternity.
> 
> 
> 
> -Danny Keren.




     You poor, poor baby!   I bet you're SO worried!.
     Well, if Giwer makes threats, at least he makes his own threats,
instead of passing Hate Laws and letting the state do their intimidation
for them, the way "anti-racists", i.e., anti-whites do.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 09:32:24 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: ?
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> In article <32486AC9.3B40@conterra.com>, Bob Whitaker
>  writes
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >> [snipped]
> >> >> She didn't say such things in her post, yet again you appear to be
> >> >> fighting strawmen.



     You're damned right I'm fighting strawmen, and you clones are the
strawmen.




> >> >
> >>
> >> >See below
> >> >
> >>
> >> I did and I'm not impressed by what you had to say.
> >>
> >> >> >> >    I have run into this very strange argument of yours before: "How
> >> >> >> >could I be an anti-white when I'm white?  That's so sick nobody could
> >be
> >> >> >> >like that!"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yet again you are arguing with non-existent quotes by other people.
> >> >
> >>
> >> >I've been dealing with you clones over a generation,a nd I know what you
> >> >say when you aren't being called on it.  Finsten's been turning blue
> >> >insisting she never hinted I was a Nazi until I reminded here how, at
> >> >first before she got called on this, she referred to me and everybody
> >> >"obengrupenfuhrer"-type German names.
> >>
> >> Wrong. As far as I recall she only referred to Les Griswold in such a
> >> manner, presumably because of his various rabid utterances somewhat
> >> reminiscent of Nazi hate.
> >
> >
> >Let me repeat this again: all socialists are not communists and all
> >racists are not Nazis.  You would never refer to a democratic socialist
> >as having "communist-like views".   Let me repeat that: you would never
> >say a democratic socialist had "communist-like views"
> 
> >     But you freely refer to anyone who does not follow establishment
> >orthodoxy on race as having "Nazi-like views".   It is totalitarianism,
> >not establishment ideology, which determines whether a socialist is a
> >communist or a racist is a Nazi.
> 
> >    You clones keep saying you understand that perfectly and then you go
> >back to your usual groove.
> >
> >
> >
> >> If you think this a serious issue then you are, of course, able to
> >> search out on DejaNews any such post where she used German type names
> >> for anybody other than Les Griswold. Speaking of whom, does anyone know
> >> the reason for his departure from this newsgroup?
> >
> 
> >No way.
> 
> If you ain't interested in checking DejaNews to see whether you're
> accusations about Laura Finsten are grounded in fact then I would
> suggest you shut up instead on this matter.
> 
> >It was a big deal to the clones, I DONT BELIEVE YOU WROTE
> >BOOKS.
> 
> I'm absolutely lost here, what the heck has writing books got to do with
> what we are talking about?!



     " DUHH!"   I said you clones kept insisting it did, then I said:


> 
> >Then it was proven it and it didn't mean a thing.
> 
> What??!!


   You know, I'm beginning to believe that you are even denser than the
average clone.



> 
> > Which it doesn't.
> 
> Further bizarre comment with no apparent meaning.
> 
> >  This is part of the standard "DUHH!" business you people use.
> 
> What are you on about now, yet again setting up a strawman to fight
> with.
> 
> >Mommy Professor told you it sounds smart but what it really does is to
> >keep you from dealing with simple reality.
> 
> You are the one who has lost his grip on reality, have you ever visited
> the planet Earth at all Bob?! If you had you may have noticed that
> comments such as yours above is complete nonsense.
> 
> >DUHH! is not for grownups.
> >DUHH! is not for grownups.
> >DUHH! is not for grownups.
> 
> No, but mindless repitition of nonsense is for you.
> 
> >
> >> >   I you and Brown will say that was not a hint that we were Nazis.
> >> >   It was.
> >>
> >> It was a hint that Les Griswold had Nazi style views.
> >>
> >> >   Every quote I hear, I and probably everybody reading this has heard
> >> >endless times(you're never original AT ALL) in talks with PC clones.
> >>
> >> The argument is not about the "originality" of one's views. What exactly
> >> is a "PC clone" that you keep accusing me of being, if it is someone who
> >> disagrees with you then I suppose I am one, but in that case the phrase
> >> has lost all meaning (assuming it ever had any in the first place).
> >
> >
> >    Clones like you who follow whatever is the establishment line are
> >the sort of people no true tyrant can do without.
> 
> Yet again I tell you that you don't know what all my views and opinions
> are, you are therefore not in a position to say whether I follow the
> establishment line.
> 
> >It is very important that you are a clone.
> 
> On the contrary, it's important for you to think I'm a clone since this
> is your stock reply to anyone who disagrees with racist/bigotted views.
> 
> > So were the Nazi Storm Troopers.  So was the KGB.
> 
> More digressing drivel.
> 
> >    In this society, I would be ashamed NOT to be called a racist.
> 
> Somehow that doesn't surprise me one bit.
> 
> >
> >If you don't know what PC is, or what "clone" means, or what the
> >combination means, there ain't a hell of a lot I can do for you.
> 
> Of course I know what the words "PC" and "clone" mean, although I'm not
> sure what you mean by it because ostensibly not every anti-racist has
> the same views on everything. However, the phrase "PC clone" seems to be
> meaningless drivel you bandy about to give yourself the impression of
> having something to add to this newsgroup - which quite clearly you do
> not.
> 
> >
> >> >We have also heard the flat denials you ever said it, Finsten's "I never
> >> >say Nazi....Nazi!" bit as above.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Er, I'm not Laura Finsten, why are you throwing this statement at me?
> >
> >YOu said she hadn't even hinted anyone was a Nazi, as she did.
> >
> 
> If you actually bothered to check, you'd see that all I said was that
> she only used the German military like names when referring to Griswold.
> 
> >
> >> >> Yet again you spew forth the word "clone" as if it actually meant
> >> >> something. The only concern I have for your racial feelings is to
> >> >> dispute your arguments when you express and bigotry and hatred for those
> >> >> who you disagree with.
> >> >>
> >> >> I certainly have no white racial concerns, I do not share your fixation
> >> >> about "White" people.
> >
> >Note the quotes.  That means one is concern For "whites".  When you are
> >accusing whites of being evil, they become whites, no quotes.
> 
> The reason why I use quotes is because I'm unsure as to how you actually
> delimit and define this group of people you call "Whites".
> 
> >    Oh, you care about whites, all right.  Like Hitler cared for the
> >Jews.
> >
> 
> That comment is unadulterated nonsense, Hitler was employing genocide to
> kill the Jewish people, your analogy is disgraceful and cretinous in the
> extreme.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Nazism v. Communism (was Re: Milton Kleim)
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pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Laura Finsten wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> >   No, I didn't say you were coordinated.   I said quite specifically
> >> >that you normally do not need to coordinate, since you anti-whitea re in
> >> >such absolute control of every means of communication and every academic
> >> >institution that you never have to fear being called on anything.   You
> >> >could say both "I never say Nazi" and "Nazi!" and no one is ever allowed
> >> >to point out your contraditions.
> >>
> >> But I haven't, have I, Mr. Whitaker.  You seem to be confusing "free speech"
> >> with the ability to say whatever you want, lies, slander, mistruths and
> >> gross exaggerations, without ever being called on it.  That's something
> >> about usenet that you yourself might not have noticed Mr. Whitaker.
> >> You can say whatever you want, but don't expect the bullshit to go
> >> without remark.
> >>
> >> I know next to nothing about your political ideology, because you have
> >> been astonishingly close-mouthed for someone who professes to be the
> >> great "free" political thinker who has broken from the bonds of academia.
> 
> >   You're right.  You looked up a book I editted and contributed to on
> >my politics at the library, and you have looked at a book I wrote for
> >the net (http://hawaii.conterra.com/bwhit/ and it's FREE, gang!), but
> >I'm really being sneaky.
> >      Your basic points is correct, though: I stil lknow more about your
> >politics than you do about mine.  I've been dealing with Politically
> >Correct Clones for decades.
> 
> Bobby.  Starting the Clonedrivel[tm] already. and this post has just
> started. Shame on you.
> 
> >> Or was thrown out.
> 
> >    No, despite the best efforts of Politically Correct Clones, they
> >didn't manage to throw me out.  As you have noted, I'm a mean old
> >bastard.
> 
> Whew. Are you as paranoid about clones as well as baranoid about being
> called a "Nazi who wants to kill  6 megajews?"    What are these
> "Clones" you speak of?
> 
> >Whatever.  All I see is someone who confuses repetitive
> >> ranting with discussion and debate.
> 
> >    You clones keep telling me you can't understand what a professional
> >writer has written, so I should crawl off in shame.
> 
> Are you saying you are a professional writer?  Is your Web page book
> an example of your writing???
> 
> > I've published
> >books, lots of articles, and God knows how many political speeches I got
> >paid for.
> 
> well... we cannot dispute that one way or t'other. In any case,  tell
> us, Bobby, does bein' paid make it quality??? Think about that before
> you answer, laddy.
> 
> >    The fact you don't get it is the fault either of the "reador" or the
> >"readee".  Out of thousands of readers, including the uncertain number
> >who have read my effort on the net, only a few Politically Correct
> >Clones have said they have trouble understanding.
> 
> Sorry to tell you Bobby, Most if not all understand, few have bothered
> to let you know how *difficult*  it was to wade through the
> incoherence. Do a test, Bobby.  Take the web page to a professional
> editor and have it reviewed. Be honest with yourself on that. Don't
> publish the results on the net, just do it for yourself.
> 
> > Lots disagree, but
> >they are not illiterate enough to be unable to understand.
> 
> Wow. Poor Bobby. Again, Take the web page to a professional editor and
> have it reviewed. Be honest with yourself on that. Don't publish the
> results on the net, just do it for yourself.
> 
> >    Once again, you are used to an environment set up from Mommy
> >professors' lessons.
> 
> What's this Mommy Professor stuff, Bobby?  Give us a teency weency
> clue. Come on,  be a sport!
> 
> >In that world, you Politically Correct people are
> >the only intelligent people on earth, and if you say you don't
> >understand the writer is supposed to be condemned.
> 
> Bobby! You really *ARE* paranoid.
> 
> >    This is the internet and you are talking to a paid, professional
> >writer.  That Mommy Professor crap doesn't work here.
> 
> Arrogant too! You have published on the Internet, and judging from the
> material we have seen,  whoever is *paying* you to write is either a
> fool, or a racist.

   

Oh, great, now St. Martin's Press is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six
Million Jews!!




  We understand that the latter is the case, so what
> credibility does that lend to your "writings", eh Bobby? Perhaps Strom
> has published some of your works?  Why would you assume that the fact
> that you may be paid for writing something means anything?  Tupak
> Shakur was paid too.
> 
> > Who claims to want to debate, but
> >> then refuses to engage in discussion.  And who whimpers ad nauseum about
> >> being called names when he engages nothing more, literally, himself.
> >>
> >> No man, no thinking being, is an island, Mr. Whitaker, and that includes
> >> you.  I've never claimed to be doing original research on usenet, though,
> >> but it seems that you have.  Your great strength is your marginality,
> >> eh?  Well, some of history's best and most productive thinkers have
> >> arisen from society's margins.  And so have some of its worst despots
> >> and cranks.
> >>
> >> You say that all your protagonists here do not think but engage only in
> >> rote repetition of today's prevailing ideology.  Uh huh.  And just where
> >> does your ideology come from, Mr. Whitaker?  You accept the biological
> >> basis of your racist views like a fundamentalist embracing the literal
> >> word of the new testament.  Or haven't you ever noticed that?  And yet
> >> it is obviously that you know less about human biology than could be
> >> written on a pinhead.  I've offered to discuss human biology with you,
> >> and tried to explain how population genetics studies have blown away
> >> the old typological thinking that racism is founded on.  But you don't
> >> want to hear it.  You say the "ideology" has shaped the conclusions.
> >> I've asked you to tell me how gene frequencies have been shaped by
> >> ideology.  And you've never answered those questions.
> >>
> >> What I see is someone whose brain is more set than any of the folks
> >> here you call clones.  Shut like a rusted steel trap.  You are not
> >> so secure in your racism that you can even allow yourself to entertain
> >> the idea that maybe, just maybe, biological research doesn't support
> >> your prejudices.  And you don't even have the guts to call it prejudice.
> 
> >   Of course it's a prejudice that I don't want my race done away with.
> >What you want to get from that is prejudice=A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six
> >Million Jews.
> 
> Ooops Bobby, Letting your paranoia show here.
> 
> >   It's a drill every sesible person knows: all real loyalty involves
> >prejudice, all traitors claim they are merely being objective.
> 
> Because *Bobby says so*, EH?
> 
> >> You dress it up in all this fancy bullshit about "immigration" when
> >> what you are really talking about is racism.  You are a pitiful,
> >> marginal hypocrite.
> >>
> >> I don't know whether you are a "National Socialist" or a "Neo-Nazi",
> >> or a Republican or a Democrat.  And frankly, I don't care.  The labels
> >> don't concern me the way they do you.  I'm more interested in the
> >> content.  And all I see is more of the same old crap - racism dressed
> >> up as nationalism.  Yeah, you're a great thinker all right.  Just
> >> a half century or three too late.
> 
> >    Let me say modestly taht the best definition of the word "modern" is
> >the one I wrote for a magazine:  Modern -- becoming dated.
> 
> What magazine? Could you at least let us in on that, kid?




    Once again, you clones have GOT to get your act together.  This same
day, another clone insists no intelligent one of you would ask the exact
question you just asked.
    They're right, of course, but who calls you clones intelligent?




> 
> >    You are under the usual imprssion that, since you believe what the
> >establishment is pushing right now, it must be right.
> >    That's pitiful.
> 
> What are you talking about here, Bobby.......
> You're starting to get incoherent, Bobby.  Wonder how you will end
> this post....
> 
> >>
> >> >   But this is the internet, and free speech exists not only in theory
> >> >as it does in your usual world, but in fact, because we have access.
> >> >When you and Rosenburg say "I never say Nazi" and "Nazi!" at the same
> >> >time, and someone is not only allowed to call you on it, but has real
> >> >access to do so, then you clones have to stop depending on your control
> >> >and start coordinating.
> >> >   There is certainly no reason why a bunch of unquestioning clones
> >> >trained in our clone factories would normally need to coordinate
> >> >anything.  You will all chorus nicely without, as anyone can see reading
> >> >your comments.  You ARE hard to tell apart.
> >> >    Part of the Politically Correct clone training is to teach them to
> >> >say "I am a true individualist and all my opinions I thought of myself
> >> >and so did the others."  You for sure believe it, or you wouldn't be a
> >> >good PC clone.   With that and absolute control of the media, actual
> >> >coordination is not only unnecessary, it would damage you rdelusion that
> >> >you area some kind of free thinker.
> >> >    But on the net, you're going need some coordination.  Why don't you
> >> >call it "collective individuality"?
> >>
> >> "If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
> >>      Emma Goldman
> 
> Bobby sort of dropped out.
> 
> oh well.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 10:35:46 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Am I a racist?
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:38:44 -0400
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <3249ED68.6AC9@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  wrote:
> 
> > If racism is acknowledging that races exist, and that there are
> > differences among the various races, and that those differences have a
> > profound effect upon society and the quality of human life, then racism
> > is good and any departure from it is also a departure from sanity.
> 
> The problem, of course, is that the racists assume that it is the
> differences _themselves_ that have profound effects upon society and the
> quality of human life, and not our assumptions about those differences.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'


    And the problem with you clones is that everything you say amounts
to a demand that whites give up more and more to nonwhites, including
their lands and their very existence.
    It will be a long cold time in Purgatory before any of you ever say
anything good about whites.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 10:35:48 PDT 1996
Article: 53873 of alt.discrimination
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: The Criminalization of Freedom of Association
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:22:00 -0400
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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> >
> > Ken McVay writes in message :
> >
> > > What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being forced to ride
> > > in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > association;" being forced to use "coloured only" washrooms wasn't "the
> > > criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to avoid "whites
> > > only" "public" buildings wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > association;" being forced to serve in segregated military units wasn't
> > >"the criminalization of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid
> > > the United States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> > >
> > > Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a
> > > "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal muscle
> > > to enforce existing voter registration legislation?
> >
> > It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if I
> > do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two
> > consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was to
> > force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through the
> > threat of fines and imprisonment.
> >
> > My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but I
> > seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with one
> > another had many opportunities to do so.
> 
> It was made very hard beacuse of people like you. Not to mention
> potentially very dangerous. We will never revert to the days when
> cowardly bigots ran this country and killed and terrorized in the South
> with impunity.
> 
> eB



     Once again, at the mention of a single white community on earth
made up of people who want it, the clone has to go through the litany
which gives him the right ot destroy whitey, another version of A Nazi
Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
     The strength of the clones' argument is reflected in the fact that
the only thing they can do to reply is go ballistic like this.
     The panic is because, if whites aren't shouted and intimidated out
of setting up voluntary white communities, what the clones say will, as
you, fail to work.  They say white people would actually voluntarily do
what they want them to: accept massive immigration and integration in
all white majority countries and disappear into a brown soup.
     But they have to shriek because they know damn well if whites were
allowed a choice, their genocide would fail.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 16:04:35 PDT 1996
Article: 69658 of alt.revisionism
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Why do you believe it???????????
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Geoffrey E Brewster wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : Dene Bebbington wrote:
> : >
> : > Dave Harman OBC  wrote:
> : > >In  ae494@freenet.durham.org (MICHAEL SMITH)
> : > >writes:
> : > >
> : > >! I'm curious, people here seem to have beliefs they are willing to defend
> : > >! and/or insult others who do not agree with, yet none of them properly
> : > >! explain why they believe what they believe.  Do they believe based
> : > >! on personal experiences of one sort or another, things they read,
> : > >! discusses and deduced by themselves, things they were taught or
> : > >! merely a desire to conform to their peers apparant beliefs.  I'm
> : > >! just curious, for my own information.  Could someone respond
> : > >! to this or Email, I don't care.  I would really like to know
> : > >! how individuals come to accept and believe certain ideologies.
> : > >
> : > >Anti-racists do it because of their lazy belief system that follows
> : > >the system wherever it goes.  Conformity, in other words.
> : >
> : > The mental laziness here can actually be attributed to the likes of you
> : > and Bob Whitaker who constantly make such charges of conformity or "PC
> : > clones", apparently this is a substitute for any kind of thought or
> : > reasoned discourse on your part.
> : >
> : > You are of course patently wrong and naive when you assert that anti-
> : > racists follow "the system wherever it goes", this sort of comment
> : > appears to be a device you use simply to oppose anti-racists without
> : > having to think or show that you are able to think.
> : >
> : > --
> : > Dene Bebbington
> : >
> : > "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> : >
> : > Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/
> 
> :      Let me repeat this yet again:  everything you say has been said
> : hundreds of times at public expense and everybody has heard it all many,
> : many, many times.
> :      If you want an original reply, say something original.
> :      I'll keep on repeating.
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I really fail to see how you are any different from the people you
> believe exist that you call "PC clones"  (and BTW, the quotation marks
> are there because I am quoting you).  Everything you have said, has been
> said a hundred times by YOU. 



   Yes, but for decades any opposition was suppressed by your heroes'
control of the media.   I am using the net to say what millions have
wanted to say while you PC's repearted and repeated and repeated.  Here,
you keep repeating the same threee or four things, using a lot of words
to say the same thing over and over.
   I simply take what you say and reduce it to its essentials, which
makes you look pretty stupid.  How I look doesn't concern me.
    The difference is that what I am saying was totally suppressed by
you PC clones for decades.  That makes it very different from your
parroting what everybody has heard hundreds of times at public expense.
    Please note that you clones really can't deal with it, because I
have to keep repeating and you keep asking the same questions.
    I know Mommy Professor told you your statements were devastating and
are supposed to carry all before it, but that only seems to happen in
media you have a chokehold over.




 So, unless you can respond with something
> original, I will just keep on putting my two cents in and keep on making
> sense.  You just keep on spouting your drivel until everyone on this
> group gets tired of you and quits responding to your nonsense.  Have and
> nice day, and don't forget your electroshock appointment tomorrow.  (You
> see, there was something original--everyone else says you are on
> medication.  I think your insanity has progressed beyond the phase at
> which mere medication can help).

   Who the hell cares?




> 
> Geoffrey E. Brewster
> 
> P.S. I apologize for making a personal attack. I usually like to stick
> with the issues we are discussing.  However, Bob really does deserve it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 16:04:36 PDT 1996
Article: 69663 of alt.revisionism
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.jewish,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: ?
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:05:32 -0400
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> >Dene Bebbington wrote:
> >>
> >> In article , Dave Harman OBC 
> >> writes
> >> >In  jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne
> >> >Kowalewski) writes:
> >
> [an incoherent Bob comment snipped]
> >> >Who cares whether our people die now or in 2100?
> >>
> >> What the hell or you on about, and what is so special about the year
> >> 2100??
> >
> 
> >You really do have to spoon feed these clones, don't you?
> 
> Oh, so I'm meant to be telepathic now am I?? I've only started reading
> this newsgroup on a regular basis just recently, so if this mystical
> date of 2100 has been mentioned before perhaps you could enlighten me as
> to its relevance. That would certainly be more useful than juvenile
> comments about clones.
> 
> >
> >> >The result of global genocide is the same.
> >>
> >> There is no genocide being perpetrated by anti-racists, I suggest you
> >> get a grip on reality and also use a dictionary when determining your
> >> choice of words.
> >
> >      If you can keep repeating this crap, i'll keep repeating the
> >answer:
> >You clones are pushing your immigration, integration, and intermarriage
> >as "the final solution to the RACE problem".
> 
> Okay, some questions because I don't know what you are on about:
> 
> 1. What exactly is the race problem as you envisage it?



   As I have said many times before, and say here, your so-called
anti-racist Final Solution to he Race Problem is targetted entirely at
white majority countries.  It is targetted against one race and it is
genocide.
   Would you like me to repeat that?




> 2. What makes you think that I'm pushing immigration, integration, and
> intermarriage?


   I've had decades of experience with you clones, as I have said
repeatedly.  I have said repeatedly that it is standard practice for you
to deny what you say when you are challenged on it.
    Why in heavens name would you think that you Politically Correct
types would have any credibility left with anybody?


> 
> And btw, a real substantive answer would be nice as opposed to more
> bluster about me supposedly being a clone.
> 
> >      But you don't go crazy when Japan doesn't bring in immigrants,
> >only when the Unitged States or Britain or some other white-majority
> >country wants to cut back on Third World immigration.
> 
> What makes you think that I go crazy when America or Britain cut back on
> immigration? I don't know anything about Japan's immigration policy, and
> quite frankly don't care about it.


   I've had decades of experience with you clones, as I have said
repeatedly.  I have said repeatedly that it is standard practice for you
to deny what you say when you are challenged on it.



> 
> >   I know, like al clones, you are going to deny what you say all the
> >time when you are called on it: "The real solution to the race problem
> >is racial intermarriage".
> 
> See questions asked above.
> 
> >   But all this immigration and integration and intermarriage is ONLY to
> >take place in white majority countries.  It is nonviolent, but it is
> >targetted against one race.
> >   That means it's genocide.
> >
> 
> Again I tell you that you don't understand what genocide means, the
> suffix "cide" refers to murder/killing. Not by any stretch of the
> imagination could immigration or intermarriage be construed as genocide.



See the Genocide Treaty.




> If you believe that there is a danger of the "White race" disappearing
> then you'd do better to exhort White people to have more children. But
> in the meantime stop lying about issues to do with race in this context
> by using the word genocide.



    Destruction is always easier than construction.  Your entire
establishment is devoted to this genocide, and there is no way we could
produce whites fast eenough to take care of your third world assault.


> 
> >   Would you like me to repeat that?
> 
> I wouldn't want you to manifest your silliness again, why not save face
> and don't repeat it.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> 
> "... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"
> 
> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/


From bwhit@conterra.com Sat Sep 28 16:48:06 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: HONORARY CLONE
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:43:22 -0400
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When the first US satellite went up and took photos of the earth from
orbit, the American Embassy in London invited the head of the British
Flat Earth Society to come and look at them.   His response:
   "It is amazing how, to the untrained eye, the earth looks round."
   If he is still alive, I nominate that gentleman to the clones for
honorary membership
   Isn't it amazing how, to the untrained eye, the white race looks
real?
   Of course, he didn't expect to be taken seriously.   Anyone who
realizes when he is being ridiculous cannot be a full member of the
clone society.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 09:09:28 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Andrew Mathis wrote:
> 
> Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:
> 
> >dswan@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Daniel Swan) wrote:
> 
> >*Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) wrote:
> >*
> >*: Strong military w/expansionism (see Ethiopia), a desire toward
> >*: homogeneity in language and culture, dictatorial rule with a
> >*: personality cult, anti-democratic rule by decree.
> >*
> >*Thank you, Mr. Mathis, for an answer much along the lines I was
> >*seeking.  Does anyone have anything else to add to this?
> >*
> >*Can Fascism sans Racism make for a viable and stable government?
> >*
> >*--
> >Randy Andy's pronuciemento hardly describes Franco's regime, which
> >most would call "fascist." No military adventurism (which is more
> >along the lines of  "imperialist" than fascist).
> 
> Except for continuous hegemony over Portugal and the Basques...



> 
> >The cult of a Leader
> >is really the _sine qua non_ of fascism--following the dictum of
> >Thomas Carlyle: "Find the most qualified man, and make him _king_!"
> 
> >What a great deal of autonomy (incl. democratic methods) can exist at
> >the regional level, in a fascist state at the >national< level the
> >ultimate arbiter is the Leader. (In the US, it's nine black-robed
> >shamans.)
> 
> Don't forget that two of them are JOOOOOOS!




Oh, God, the old I-am-a-quarter-Jewish-and-you-are-persecuting me bit!
    Poor baby!



> 
> =================================================================
> 
> What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html
> 
> The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608
> 
> "Peyno derech Hashem"
> --Yeshayahu 40:3


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:10 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Dave Harman OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
> : In 
> : jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:
> : ! I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want
> : ! to deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the
> : ! same way
> 
> : Anti-racists want to kill me, you, your children, my children, and all
> : of the English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, Polish, Wallonians,
> : Latvians, Russians, and everyone else who makes up the hundreds of
> : ethnic groups that create the white race, as the entirety will die
> : without internal support.
> 
>     Bullshit.  *WHITE* *FOLKS* created the "White race".
>     And it's funny, I'm an anti-racist, but the only time I'd even think
> about killing someone is if that person comes after me, and I've got to
> defend myself to stay alive.
> 
> : Are you a racist or a coward?
> 
>     You're certainly a racist, and I don't know if I'd use coward;
> "paranoid freak" is more like it.
> 
> : Who cares whether our people die now or in 2100?
> 
>     Who's "our people", Dave?  "My people" are peopel whom I respect, and
> that goes beyond any kind of "racial" classification.
> 
> : The result of global genocide is the same.  Hate is called for.  Love
> : is called for.
> 
>     The latter is.  The former is only called for by ignorant people.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"



     My people is the people with whom I want to associate and whom I
want to preserve.   Your entire load of bullshit is aimed at destroying
my race and my ability to define and associate with it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:11 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Why do you believe it???????????
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> : Gosh, listen to all them new ideas of Babbington's!  Wow, what DEEP
> : thoughts!
> :     Good clone.
> 
> And thanks, too, for all your new ideas, Bob.
> 
> You forgot to say "Mommy Professor," though...


Truth hurts, don't it, good boy?


Everytime I do start a string and make a statement, you clones either
ignore it, censor it, or make a few snotty comments.   As Eric Hoffer
pointed out, you clones simply cannot think.  




> 
> Bill


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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: THE CLONES USED TO SCREAM "COMMIT", NOW THEY SCREAM "NAZI'
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Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> 
> In article <324C0F40.7164@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> * Jeanne Kowalewski wrote:
> * >
> * > In article <32495F99.747C@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> * >
> * > [drooling diatribe snipped]
> * >
> *
> *
> *    If it were a drooling diatribe, yoou would quote it to show how
> * silly it was.  Anybody reading this knows that it's effective, or you
> * wouldn't snip it.
> 
> It wasn't worth the bandwidth. If anyone really gives a rat's ass about
> what you wrote they can look it up on Dejanews. BTW, are your posts being
> archived at Nizkor, or are you just being ignored as another
> spittle-spewing old crank?


   Well, this has got the thousandth Politically Correct clone who has
tried to intimidate me by telling me I was being reported.
    Boy, am I ever terrified.





> [snip]
> 
> --
> Rev. Jeanne K.          |  SISTER JEANNE!
> Ordained Minister, ULC  |  Official Melchizedek Priest of McChurch
> http://ulc.org/ulc/     |  http://mcchurch.org
> 
> Not only do I pray for it, on the score of human dignity, but I can
> clearly forsee that nothing but the rooting out of slavery can
> perpetuate the existence of our union, by consolidating it in a
> common bond of principle.
> ‹ George Washington


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:55 PDT 1996
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Dave Harman OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
> : In 
> : jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:
> : ! I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want
> : ! to deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the
> : ! same way
> 
> : Anti-racists want to kill me, you, your children, my children, and all
> : of the English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, Polish, Wallonians,
> : Latvians, Russians, and everyone else who makes up the hundreds of
> : ethnic groups that create the white race, as the entirety will die
> : without internal support.
> 
>     Bullshit.  *WHITE* *FOLKS* created the "White race".
>     And it's funny, I'm an anti-racist, but the only time I'd even think
> about killing someone is if that person comes after me, and I've got to
> defend myself to stay alive.
> 
> : Are you a racist or a coward?
> 
>     You're certainly a racist, and I don't know if I'd use coward;
> "paranoid freak" is more like it.
> 
> : Who cares whether our people die now or in 2100?
> 
>     Who's "our people", Dave?  "My people" are peopel whom I respect, and
> that goes beyond any kind of "racial" classification.
> 
> : The result of global genocide is the same.  Hate is called for.  Love
> : is called for.
> 
>     The latter is.  The former is only called for by ignorant people.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"



     My people is the people with whom I want to associate and whom I
want to preserve.   Your entire load of bullshit is aimed at destroying
my race and my ability to define and associate with it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 09:39:56 PDT 1996
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> : Gosh, listen to all them new ideas of Babbington's!  Wow, what DEEP
> : thoughts!
> :     Good clone.
> 
> And thanks, too, for all your new ideas, Bob.
> 
> You forgot to say "Mommy Professor," though...


Truth hurts, don't it, good boy?


Everytime I do start a string and make a statement, you clones either
ignore it, censor it, or make a few snotty comments.   As Eric Hoffer
pointed out, you clones simply cannot think.  




> 
> Bill


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> : Gosh, listen to all them new ideas of Babbington's!  Wow, what DEEP
> : thoughts!
> :     Good clone.
> 
> And thanks, too, for all your new ideas, Bob.
> 
> You forgot to say "Mommy Professor," though...


Truth hurts, don't it, good boy?


Everytime I do start a string and make a statement, you clones either
ignore it, censor it, or make a few snotty comments.   As Eric Hoffer
pointed out, you clones simply cannot think.  




> 
> Bill


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 09:58:29 PDT 1996
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Dave Harman OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
> : In 
> : jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:
> : ! I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want
> : ! to deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the
> : ! same way
> 
> : Anti-racists want to kill me, you, your children, my children, and all
> : of the English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, Polish, Wallonians,
> : Latvians, Russians, and everyone else who makes up the hundreds of
> : ethnic groups that create the white race, as the entirety will die
> : without internal support.
> 
>     Bullshit.  *WHITE* *FOLKS* created the "White race".
>     And it's funny, I'm an anti-racist, but the only time I'd even think
> about killing someone is if that person comes after me, and I've got to
> defend myself to stay alive.
> 
> : Are you a racist or a coward?
> 
>     You're certainly a racist, and I don't know if I'd use coward;
> "paranoid freak" is more like it.
> 
> : Who cares whether our people die now or in 2100?
> 
>     Who's "our people", Dave?  "My people" are peopel whom I respect, and
> that goes beyond any kind of "racial" classification.
> 
> : The result of global genocide is the same.  Hate is called for.  Love
> : is called for.
> 
>     The latter is.  The former is only called for by ignorant people.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"



     My people is the people with whom I want to associate and whom I
want to preserve.   Your entire load of bullshit is aimed at destroying
my race and my ability to define and associate with it.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 11:33:02 PDT 1996
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


     "redneck" is clone code for any white man with balls.


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James Thomas wrote:
> 
> JML wrote:
> >
> > You people are all fuckin stupid and yuo can all lick my goddamn pussy you
> > fuckheads!  You white christian bastards fucking suck!! Black Panthers
> > baby!  FUCK YOU WHITE LOSERS WITH SMALL DICKS!!!!!
> >
> > JML!
> > blossom@deltanet.com
> >
> > p.s. don't even think about e-mailing me trailertrash honky unless you
> > want me to kick your white ass!!!!
> 
> PLEASE ignore the preceeding trash.  It is obviously written by someone
> preparing copy for a David Duke fund raised.


   Notice: you are not in a Politially Correct envirnment which you can
control.  That statement was made by oneof your boys and everybody can
see it.
    In your Politically Correct controlled envirnments in the media or
at the universities, you can declare that anyone who says nasty things
like that is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews and not be called
on it.
    But here, everybody can see that almost all the nasty laguage and
profanity is used by Politically Correct clones who have not been as
well trained as you have been.


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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


    Today, one of your fellow embarrassed anti-whites in this ng was
disclaiming this sort of attack on whites with filthy laguage.  
Naturally, he said it was really one of David Duke's boys, A Nazi Who
Wants to Kill Six Million Jews.
    Actually, the really foul language is used almost exclusively from
the anti-white side.


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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


     "redneck" is clone code for any white man with balls.


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Stephen Barnard wrote:
> 
> There is a proposal to include "multiracial" as a category in the US
> census.  As I understand it, African-American and Hispanic groups
> generally oppose this because it might erode their representation in the
> census.  But what is someone to do if, for example, they have immediate
> Jewish, Korean, and Phillipino ancestry?  Such cases are not unheard
> of.  (BTW, Jewish is not a racial category because it is "religious".)
> 
> There is a very strong tendency toward "outbreeding" in Asian and
> Hispanic communities, but much less so among African Americans.  Someone
> has suggested that the black/non-black distinction is the only racial
> categorization that "matters" in the US, so that should be the only
> categorization in the census.  I don't know if I agree with that, but I
> do think that the current form is pretty ridiculous.  About 45% of it is
> devoted to determining a racial classification in some way.  For
> example, if you are Hispanic then you are expected to distinguish
> between all sorts of subcategories, including (quaintly) "Spanish".
> 
> If race is a myth then it shouldn't be part of the census.  Even if it
> isn't a myth then a case can be made that it shouldn't be part of the
> census.
> 
>         Steve Barnard


    In case you hadn't noticed, the "anti-racists"(anti-whties) are
perfectly consistent about this: the white race exoists if they are
saying something nasty about it, it does not exist if someone is saying
something good about it.
    More generally, the "anti-racists" always insist that race exists
when they want quotas, integration, to to chase down whites who don't
want to associate with nonwhites with "low-cost" housing, or white
majority countries which want to restrict immigration. This is all
"white racism" and race is pushed by them to "cure" it.
    When it is pointed out that all their ethnic balance programs are
targetted at whites, suddenly the white race is impossible to define and
suddenly ceases to exist once again.
    I can't believe you hadn't noticed that.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 11:44:55 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: FUCK YOU WHITE CHRISTIAN DICKHEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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James Thomas wrote:
> 
> JML wrote:
> >
> > You people are all fuckin stupid and yuo can all lick my goddamn pussy you
> > fuckheads!  You white christian bastards fucking suck!! Black Panthers
> > baby!  FUCK YOU WHITE LOSERS WITH SMALL DICKS!!!!!
> >
> > JML!
> > blossom@deltanet.com
> >
> > p.s. don't even think about e-mailing me trailertrash honky unless you
> > want me to kick your white ass!!!!
> 
> PLEASE ignore the preceeding trash.  It is obviously written by someone
> preparing copy for a David Duke fund raised.


   Notice: you are not in a Politially Correct envirnment which you can
control.  That statement was made by oneof your boys and everybody can
see it.
    In your Politically Correct controlled envirnments in the media or
at the universities, you can declare that anyone who says nasty things
like that is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews and not be called
on it.
    But here, everybody can see that almost all the nasty laguage and
profanity is used by Politically Correct clones who have not been as
well trained as you have been.


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Subject: Re: Kill the redneck scum...
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


    Today, one of your fellow embarrassed anti-whites in this ng was
disclaiming this sort of attack on whites with filthy laguage.  
Naturally, he said it was really one of David Duke's boys, A Nazi Who
Wants to Kill Six Million Jews.
    Actually, the really foul language is used almost exclusively from
the anti-white side.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 11:51:39 PDT 1996
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Dave Harman OBC (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
> : In 
> : jeannek@rio.com (Jeanne Kowalewski) writes:
> : ! I say nasty things about white racists, especially the ones who want
> : ! to deport or execute people who don't look the same or believe the
> : ! same way
> 
> : Anti-racists want to kill me, you, your children, my children, and all
> : of the English, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Swedish, Polish, Wallonians,
> : Latvians, Russians, and everyone else who makes up the hundreds of
> : ethnic groups that create the white race, as the entirety will die
> : without internal support.
> 
>     Bullshit.  *WHITE* *FOLKS* created the "White race".
>     And it's funny, I'm an anti-racist, but the only time I'd even think
> about killing someone is if that person comes after me, and I've got to
> defend myself to stay alive.
> 
> : Are you a racist or a coward?
> 
>     You're certainly a racist, and I don't know if I'd use coward;
> "paranoid freak" is more like it.
> 
> : Who cares whether our people die now or in 2100?
> 
>     Who's "our people", Dave?  "My people" are peopel whom I respect, and
> that goes beyond any kind of "racial" classification.
> 
> : The result of global genocide is the same.  Hate is called for.  Love
> : is called for.
> 
>     The latter is.  The former is only called for by ignorant people.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"



     My people is the people with whom I want to associate and whom I
want to preserve.   Your entire load of bullshit is aimed at destroying
my race and my ability to define and associate with it.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> : Gosh, listen to all them new ideas of Babbington's!  Wow, what DEEP
> : thoughts!
> :     Good clone.
> 
> And thanks, too, for all your new ideas, Bob.
> 
> You forgot to say "Mommy Professor," though...


Truth hurts, don't it, good boy?


Everytime I do start a string and make a statement, you clones either
ignore it, censor it, or make a few snotty comments.   As Eric Hoffer
pointed out, you clones simply cannot think.  




> 
> Bill


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> 
> :      You're still 100% snotty remarks.
> 
> But, before he did, he forgot to delete his own quoted remarks
> above, the gist of which was:
> 
> : > >    Good clone.
> 
> What's this about "snotty remarks," Bob?
> 
> Oh, by the way--you forgot to say "Mommy Professor" again.  You're
> slipping, Bob.
> 
> Bill


    It's a repeat of something I have said many, many times, and even
you clones should know what I'm saying by now.  Are you begging me to go
through the whole drill again?


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Dave Harman OBC wrote:
> 
> In <526r08$2p2@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes:
> 
> !     The highest incidence of rape is a Black male raping a Black female.
> ! There is about equal incidence of White males raping Black females as
> ! Black males raping White females; the differences are negligible.  The
> ! smallest incidence is a White male raping a White female.
> !     In past decades, up until sometime in the seventies, the highest
> ! incidence of rape was (and by a good margin if my memory is on target) a
> ! White male raping a Black female.
> 
> Why do you say stuff like this?
> 
> ! Philip T. Kasiecki
> ! Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> Don't count on it.


    Dave, back when I actually went and looked up things for these
clones like they demanded, Little Beaver(evilBeavis) called me a child
molestor.  He said that because, he said, 98% of all child molestors
were white males.  Thereofore, he said, a white male is a child
molestor.
    I looked up the ONLY study made on the subject -- he didn't even
bother to misquote something, this one was from the Politically Correct
blue sky -- and he was, of course, dead wrong.
     When I said that, if American borders were open, a major part of
Asia would immigrate here, oneof the clones demanded that I show him a
public opinion survey of Asia or I was a liar.
     I don't look up their crap any more for them.


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Ourobouros wrote:
> >In article <52b8l1$l79@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura says...
> 
> [...]
> 
> >>>  It is a reasonable conclusion that they do not
> >>>want to discovery racial differences anymore.
> 
> >>You know, "Mr. Stone", I don't think you could find a single physical
> >>anthropology book that puts forward the idea that there *aren't* differences
> >>among humans in the alleles related to melanin content in the skin.  The
> >>quotation I used indicated that we don't know yet how many loci are directly
> >>related to this, nor do we know how many alleles there are.  Many have
> >>suggested four loci.  We don't know for sure.  When the Human Genome Project
> >>is complete, we'll know.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >It doesn't explain the furor over books that promote racial differences.
> 
> No, it doesn't.  That generally arises from lousy methodology including,
> among other things, a reliance on *socially identified* groups which are
> *assumed* to have a meaningful biological basis.
> 
> >Shouldn't the Human Genome Project have long since being completed?
> 
> Who am I to say?  The project hasn't been going on that long.  It was
> dependent on the development of technology and methods that make it
> possible to indentify individual genes, their precise positions on
> chromosomes, and their base-sequences.  This is a huge undertaking,
> when you think about the enormity of the task - something like 100,000
> genes.  It is costing megabucks and will take years to complete.
> 
> >>Meantime, the gene for diabetes has been located, a gene that is related
> >>to breast cancer, another to colon cancer, and more have been located.
> >>Hmmmmmm.  Why do you think that there might be a greater sense of urgency
> >>about those than there is about melanin content and skin colour?  Why do
> >>you think that there might be a lot more money for *medical research* in
> >>genetics than there is for anthropological research in genetics?
> 
> >If we can locate a diabetes gene then we can surely locate the genes
> >responsible for skin colour, skull shape and the rest.
> 
> I didn't say we couldn't.  I said that money and effort for identifying
> specific genes tend to be targeted at those that have immediacy in the
> realm of health care and medicine.
> 
> >Perhaps they can discover the skin cancer gene(s) alongside finding the
> >genes responsible for skin colour.  Afterall, we whites do suffer from it.
> 
> It is probably mutation in the gene(s) that control melanin content (and
> hence skin colour) that results in skin cancer.  I gather that skin cancer
> hasn't been targeted the way other cancers have because it is considered
> to be nearly 100 percent environmental - overexposure to the sun.  The
> easiest and surest cure is prevention.
> 
> >I understand too well how scientists pander to tune of the almighty
> >dollar.
> 
> My wasn't that an astute and insightful comment.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


     You clones claptrap about research being free would be a bit more
convincing if you hadn't passed Hate Laws all over the world which
imprison people for coming up with disagreeing with your orthodoxy.   
     In most of the US, you don't have your the laws yet, but any
professor who disagrees with your racial orthodoxy can kiss his academic
carrer goodbye, and everybody reading this knows it.
     So you quote your Mommy Professor as if he were selected in a free
environment.


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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :    I've had decades of experience with you clones, as I have said
> : repeatedly.  I have said repeatedly that it is standard practice for you
> : to deny what you say when you are challenged on it.
> :     Why in heavens name would you think that you Politically Correct
> : types would have any credibility left with anybody?
> 
> All of which is, of course, Bob's standard method of dodging any
> responsibility for supporting his case.
> 
> But he forgot to say "Mommy Professor".
> 
> Bill




    That Mommy Professor really gets to you, eh? Since you're at Emory
University, I'm probably attacking your meal ticket.
    What "case".  Everything I say can be seen for what it is.   The
only people who can live in this society and not know what I say is true
are mental retardation cases and really well-trained clones.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 11:51:44 PDT 1996
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william c anderson wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> 
> :     The difference is that what I am saying was totally suppressed by
> : you PC clones for decades.  That makes it very different from your
> : parroting what everybody has heard hundreds of times at public expense.
> :     Please note that you clones really can't deal with it, because I
> : have to keep repeating and you keep asking the same questions.
> :     I know Mommy Professor told you your statements were devastating and
> : are supposed to carry all before it, but that only seems to happen in
> : media you have a chokehold over.
> 
> You're not saying anything, Bob.  I don't believe I've ever seen
> you make even one substantive statement.  You claim that some
> mysterious force is trying to exterminate the white race through
> intermarriage, but whenever you're asked to support that statement,
> you post the same old bilge about how PC clones are trying to keep
> you from speaking out.



     Wrong sequence, but logic is certainly not a clone's strong point.
     I doubt there is one single person reading this who know know
damned well that Politically Correct people do routinely keep otehrs
>from  speaking out. 



> 
> It's nice to see you using the "Mommy Professor" insult again,
> though.
> 
> Bill
 


 Your sole real concern seems to be that I am attacking your Emory
University meal ticket.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 11:57:28 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Kill the redneck scum...
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


     "redneck" is clone code for any white man with balls.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 11:57:30 PDT 1996
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James Thomas wrote:
> 
> JML wrote:
> >
> > You people are all fuckin stupid and yuo can all lick my goddamn pussy you
> > fuckheads!  You white christian bastards fucking suck!! Black Panthers
> > baby!  FUCK YOU WHITE LOSERS WITH SMALL DICKS!!!!!
> >
> > JML!
> > blossom@deltanet.com
> >
> > p.s. don't even think about e-mailing me trailertrash honky unless you
> > want me to kick your white ass!!!!
> 
> PLEASE ignore the preceeding trash.  It is obviously written by someone
> preparing copy for a David Duke fund raised.


   Notice: you are not in a Politially Correct envirnment which you can
control.  That statement was made by oneof your boys and everybody can
see it.
    In your Politically Correct controlled envirnments in the media or
at the universities, you can declare that anyone who says nasty things
like that is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews and not be called
on it.
    But here, everybody can see that almost all the nasty laguage and
profanity is used by Politically Correct clones who have not been as
well trained as you have been.


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Subject: Re: Kill the redneck scum...
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


    Today, one of your fellow embarrassed anti-whites in this ng was
disclaiming this sort of attack on whites with filthy laguage.  
Naturally, he said it was really one of David Duke's boys, A Nazi Who
Wants to Kill Six Million Jews.
    Actually, the really foul language is used almost exclusively from
the anti-white side.


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Anne Rice, Clones and Bigots
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:48:34 -0400
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mgn0013@wvnet.edu wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker  wrote:
> 
> >Anne Rice, as all know, is from New Orleans.  She had a character in
> >one of her books, who was raised in New Orleans and lived in California,
> >say something like, "Sure we were bigots down there, but at least we
> >were individuals.  I can't belive it when I hear people in California
> >say things like, 'Aren't we boycotting grapes?'"
> >   The problem is that a person who throws his entire attention into not
> >being bigotted will always end up brainwashed.   We have an entire
> >society desperatly seeking Objective Opinions so they won't be called
> >racists or Nazis Who Want To Kill Six Million Jews.
> >   They run around desperately calling blacks by whatever new name has
> >been come up with this year.   They are afraid to express any opinion,
> >for fear it might not be Objective.
> >   You can't do any of that and stay free.
> 
> Oh Bobby. Are you trying to be cute again?
> 
> [sigh]
> 
> Anyway
> 
> Looks like we have a "Commitee" posting as Bobby.  Readers are invited
> to analyse the last 2 months or so of Bobby's posts here, and comment
> if you see a bit of difference in the poster's personality. Could
> there be 2 or more people posting as bwhit? The style of bwhit posts
> seems to vary quite a bit from day to day....Anyone else noticed it?
> Please comment.

   
   To repeat: you clones are now outside of an environment you control,
eg, the universities and the media.  You have got to get organized!
   The clone line now is that everything I say is pure repetition.  Youa
re saying I am two different people saying different things.
   Don't use Doublethink where you can be called on it.


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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


     "redneck" is clone code for any white man with balls.


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Stephen Barnard wrote:
> 
> There is a proposal to include "multiracial" as a category in the US
> census.  As I understand it, African-American and Hispanic groups
> generally oppose this because it might erode their representation in the
> census.  But what is someone to do if, for example, they have immediate
> Jewish, Korean, and Phillipino ancestry?  Such cases are not unheard
> of.  (BTW, Jewish is not a racial category because it is "religious".)
> 
> There is a very strong tendency toward "outbreeding" in Asian and
> Hispanic communities, but much less so among African Americans.  Someone
> has suggested that the black/non-black distinction is the only racial
> categorization that "matters" in the US, so that should be the only
> categorization in the census.  I don't know if I agree with that, but I
> do think that the current form is pretty ridiculous.  About 45% of it is
> devoted to determining a racial classification in some way.  For
> example, if you are Hispanic then you are expected to distinguish
> between all sorts of subcategories, including (quaintly) "Spanish".
> 
> If race is a myth then it shouldn't be part of the census.  Even if it
> isn't a myth then a case can be made that it shouldn't be part of the
> census.
> 
>         Steve Barnard


    In case you hadn't noticed, the "anti-racists"(anti-whties) are
perfectly consistent about this: the white race exoists if they are
saying something nasty about it, it does not exist if someone is saying
something good about it.
    More generally, the "anti-racists" always insist that race exists
when they want quotas, integration, to to chase down whites who don't
want to associate with nonwhites with "low-cost" housing, or white
majority countries which want to restrict immigration. This is all
"white racism" and race is pushed by them to "cure" it.
    When it is pointed out that all their ethnic balance programs are
targetted at whites, suddenly the white race is impossible to define and
suddenly ceases to exist once again.
    I can't believe you hadn't noticed that.


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James Thomas wrote:
> 
> JML wrote:
> >
> > You people are all fuckin stupid and yuo can all lick my goddamn pussy you
> > fuckheads!  You white christian bastards fucking suck!! Black Panthers
> > baby!  FUCK YOU WHITE LOSERS WITH SMALL DICKS!!!!!
> >
> > JML!
> > blossom@deltanet.com
> >
> > p.s. don't even think about e-mailing me trailertrash honky unless you
> > want me to kick your white ass!!!!
> 
> PLEASE ignore the preceeding trash.  It is obviously written by someone
> preparing copy for a David Duke fund raised.


   Notice: you are not in a Politially Correct envirnment which you can
control.  That statement was made by oneof your boys and everybody can
see it.
    In your Politically Correct controlled envirnments in the media or
at the universities, you can declare that anyone who says nasty things
like that is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews and not be called
on it.
    But here, everybody can see that almost all the nasty laguage and
profanity is used by Politically Correct clones who have not been as
well trained as you have been.


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <324713E0.6B4B@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : The last thing Universalism is is universal.
> :         When I was a child, the fact that the Inquisition was conducted
> : in the name of Love and Brotherhood came as a real surprise.  But as
> : the years passed and I learned more, I became very used to the fact
> : that politics tend to destroy each virtue in its own name. Far from
> : surprising, it is routine.
> :         Real mercy can be thrown away in the name of a Greater Mercy,
> : as was done in the Inquisition.  People who are fanatical about
> : Tolerance can be the most intolerant people you will ever meet.
> 
>     WTFE.  Bobby, did you overdose on your medication *AGAIN*?
> 
> :         The trouble with Universalism is that all of the different
> : Universalist ideas divide the world more brutally than bigotry ever
> : could:  In the name of Universal Peace and Justice, Mao and Stalin
> : outdid Hitler.
> 
>     WTFE.
> 
> :         How many Universal faiths are there?   And within each
> : Universalism there are sects.   And every single one of these
> : Universalists is absolutely convinced that, among the thousands of
> : active Universal Truths, his particular Truth is the True One.
> 
>     Not so, Bob.  Shows just how clueless you are.
> 
> :         Political Correctness is based on Universalism.  So instead of
> : calling blacks "niggers", it calls white working people "inbred trailer
> : trash".  The naked hate one sees routinely in the name of anti-racism
> : would be a surprise to a child, but an educated adult knows the
> : inevitability of it.
> 
>     Bobby... I'm gonna bust a few ribs in laughter at this drivel!!!
> 
> :       Hitler was a Universalist racist.  Just as Stalin and Lenin had
> : their Working Class for which all was to be sacrificed, Hitler had his
> : univerally superior Aryan Race.
> 
>     You mean, what "he thought" was his universally superior Aryan race.
> 
> :       Today's Polticial Correctness wants to "wipe out all traces of
> : racism".
> 
>     Bob, it's not "Today's Political Correctness".  It's the fact that
> racism is wrong, and inhuman.  So that I don't repeat myself, I'll come
> back to this below.
> 
> :         PC freaks talk instead about how all evil really comes from
> : racism and Hitler, and how they, being Universalist, are the salt of
> : the earth.  If people find out what Stalin and the Inquisition and the
> : Puritans and all had in common, they might look into the roots of
> : Political Correctness itself.
> 
>     Many of our social problems have a basis in prejudice of some sort.
> Not always "racial" prejudice, but racism is no doubt the biggest issue
> we face in today's society.  I'll quote Cornel West in his book "Race
> Matters", which I just recently read, on this:
> 
>         Race is the most explosive issue in American life precisely
>         because it forces us to confront the tragic facts of poverty and
>         paranoia, dispair and distrust. (156)
> 
>     Now, Bob, about why racism has to be done away with.  Let me just
> say that if you weren't so lucky and were born a Black man, you would
> understand.  Maybe I'd understand better than I already do, for that
> matter.  Again, I'll quote, this time, from the back cover of Martin
> Luther King, Jr.'s book "Why We Can't Wait", which I'm reading right now:
> 
>         Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging
>         darts of segregation to say, "Wait".
> 
>         But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and
>         fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim...
> 
>         When you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro
>         brothers smoldering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst
>         of an affluent society...
> 
>         When you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech
>         stammering as you seek to explain to your six-year-old daughter
>         why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been
>         advertised on television...
> 
>         When you are harried by day and haunted at night by the fact
>         that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never
>         quite knowing what to expect next...
> 
>         Then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait.
>         There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men
>         are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair.
> 
>     Bob, as White men, you and I will never truly understand that, at
> least certainly not to the level that a Black person can.  But I can
> learn about this, and empathize with people who are treated in inhumane
> ways everyday, and through it, find out one key thing: racism is wrong,
> and does not belong in this world.  I plan on doing some good while I'm
> alive, Bob.  I don't know about you.
> 
>          Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu that can get, howeveer 
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"




    I've lived in Africa, and I've seen how blacks live without the Evil
White Man.   No American black could understand how bad that can get.
    If you want a message from the Politically Correct, look for their
silence.  You notice you NEVER hear brags about how well Africa is doing
since the "whites"(I'm saying something good about whites, so I put in
the required quotation marks) lost control to the demands of your type
of person.
     The bad parts of Africa, which are huge and getting bigger, are in
a condition an American slave would not have traded his position for a
century and a half ago, much less a black America today.
     You clones claim to just love black folks to death, but you never
give the slightest thought to how most real blacks fare in the real
world, do you?
    And, boy, do you ever not mention it!


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 12:06:32 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:31:09 -0400
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <324CEB64.67C8@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > Or are you claiming that there is a conspiracy out to silence those that do
> > > find any differences? Kind of like "Project Blue Book", eh? And Holden's
> > > paleontological conspiracy...
> >
> >    Good God, you are a good boy!
> >    The demand that any book which finds racial differences is made
> > openly all the time in your  "anti-racist"(antiwhite) circles.
> >     This is another "I never say Nazi...Nazi!" bit.
> 
> This is another repetition of one of Whitaker's favorite lies.
> 
> >     Under the laws you support, a person can go to jail for it.
> 
> Which laws, liar? What can "a person can go to jail for"?
> 
> Do try to form complete, coherent thoughts. I know it's difficult with all
> those cliches and lies rattling around in that skull of yours, but this is
> Usenet. You can't expect to employ fuzzy thinking here and not get called
> on it, you know.
> 
> >     Can't you clones come up with ANYTHING that isn't just a verbose
> > version of three or four cliches?
> 
> Can't you support your arguments without lying?
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > So if the Maories give you all the guns they have, you'll climb into a boat
> > > and start rowing? Sounds like a good deal.
> >
> >    OH, HORSESHIT!
> >    But there is NO WAY you clones will allow it.  Wherever whites go is
> > where nonwhites wants to be, and where you demand that they be.
> 
> You're lying again, Bobby. You really should grow up.
> 
> >     It is easy for you to say it's a good deal when you ar the one who
> > demands the laws that exist to prohibit whites to live separately
> > anywhere on earth.
> 
> What's keeping you in Columbia, Bobby? If you need help packing, just say
> so. No one will object if you want to separate yourself from decent
> "white" folks. Most of them can't abide liars.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




    Yesterday, one of you clones told me I better watch it because I was
being Watched.  Now you look up where I live, and it is supposed to
bother me.
    When you clones are not allowed to use filthy language in print,
preferably at public expense, you whine and scream about "censorship". 
So you feel this sort of thing would be REALLY intimidating.
    Undeceive yourself.  Anyone who has stood on my side in academe,
politics, the bureaucracy, press conferences and other places takes open
threats as routine.  All those death threats you say your heroes receive
are the ones we really receive as a matter of course.
    When I was getting top secret clearance, I got to read the stuff
that had been reported on me.  It was entertaining, but not surprising.
    It is always funny for someone on the far right to hear what you
wimps on the left call "intimidation".  Usually it has to do with your
not being given enough tax money to do what you want to do.
    Stick with the "not taking his medicine" bit or something.  I've
been reported, I've been threatened, and a lot else, so your amateur
methods won't work.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 12:06:32 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Ourobouros' sample definition of the White race
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:59:51 -0400
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Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> 
> In article <324CEB64.67C8@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
> 
> > Christopher Henrik Lund wrote:
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > Or are you claiming that there is a conspiracy out to silence those that do
> > > find any differences? Kind of like "Project Blue Book", eh? And Holden's
> > > paleontological conspiracy...
> >
> >    Good God, you are a good boy!
> >    The demand that any book which finds racial differences is made
> > openly all the time in your  "anti-racist"(antiwhite) circles.
> >     This is another "I never say Nazi...Nazi!" bit.
> 
> This is another repetition of one of Whitaker's favorite lies.
> 
> >     Under the laws you support, a person can go to jail for it.
> 
> Which laws, liar? What can "a person can go to jail for"?
> 
> Do try to form complete, coherent thoughts. I know it's difficult with all
> those cliches and lies rattling around in that skull of yours, but this is
> Usenet. You can't expect to employ fuzzy thinking here and not get called
> on it, you know.
> 
> >     Can't you clones come up with ANYTHING that isn't just a verbose
> > version of three or four cliches?
> 
> Can't you support your arguments without lying?
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > So if the Maories give you all the guns they have, you'll climb into a boat
> > > and start rowing? Sounds like a good deal.
> >
> >    OH, HORSESHIT!
> >    But there is NO WAY you clones will allow it.  Wherever whites go is
> > where nonwhites wants to be, and where you demand that they be.
> 
> You're lying again, Bobby. You really should grow up.
> 
> >     It is easy for you to say it's a good deal when you ar the one who
> > demands the laws that exist to prohibit whites to live separately
> > anywhere on earth.
> 
> What's keeping you in Columbia, Bobby? If you need help packing, just say
> so. No one will object if you want to separate yourself from decent
> "white" folks. Most of them can't abide liars.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'




   You repeal the laws all this bullshit is intended to cover over that
require whites to  live by your nonwhites, and I'll be glad to move to
whee the other millions of whites would go.
   Here in Columbia, I was driving along, looking at a nice section of
town, and there, as always, they were building your so-called low-cost,
meaning black, housing at taxpayer expense to chase the whites down. 
You do that everywhere. 
   You do it in the name of your so-called ethinic balance, your version
of ethnic cleansing, which only applies to white-majority countries.
    It is targetted and it is genocide.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 12:06:33 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Kill the redneck scum...
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


    Today, one of your fellow embarrassed anti-whites in this ng was
disclaiming this sort of attack on whites with filthy laguage.  
Naturally, he said it was really one of David Duke's boys, A Nazi Who
Wants to Kill Six Million Jews.
    Actually, the really foul language is used almost exclusively from
the anti-white side.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 12:08:32 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Kill the redneck scum...
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:12:08 -0400
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


     "redneck" is clone code for any white man with balls.


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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


    Today, one of your fellow embarrassed anti-whites in this ng was
disclaiming this sort of attack on whites with filthy laguage.  
Naturally, he said it was really one of David Duke's boys, A Nazi Who
Wants to Kill Six Million Jews.
    Actually, the really foul language is used almost exclusively from
the anti-white side.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 12:30:08 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Kill the redneck scum...
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:12:08 -0400
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


     "redneck" is clone code for any white man with balls.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 12:30:10 PDT 1996
Article: 38474 of alt.skinheads
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Kill the redneck scum...
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:35:11 -0400
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Shayne O'Neill wrote:
> 
> For a start Asshole, there is NO SUCH THING as a "nigger". You apear
> to be refering to African Americans. Who are as respionsible, and
> converselly irresponsible as any human being. God is not white or
> black or green. If god exists, he or she's probably invisible.
>  (End of discussion)
> 
> Now for the race traitor bit.
> 
> If disagreeing with a simpleton tobacco chewin redneck like you
> makes me a race traitor then,
> 
> I'M A RACE TRAITOR AND FUCKING PROUD OF IT BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> But *no* . I ain't a race traitor, I'm a man on a mission.
> To end white bourgouise capitalism. By ballot or by force.
> 
> In simple speak, I am not a race traitor just because I chose
> to be a dissident. As a white, I empathise with African Americans
> because they have been hurt and oppressed by the real traitors
> in the white race. The upper and middle class capitalists.
> 
> Hey! Did I offend you?
> 
> Now fuck off.
> 
> By tradition only I depart with....
> 
> Peace (grrr)
> 
> Shayne.
> 
> --
> =-The obligiotary .sig-#3-----------------------------------------=
>  Shayne O'Neill   Murdoch University,  Media studies  &  Politics.
>  Aparently I have an opinion on everything? Hey, I cant help being
>  omnipotent!  Peace to all brothers and sisters. The revolution is
>  right around the corner.    *****SUBVERT THE DOMINANT PARDGYM****
> =-----------------------------------------------------------------=


    Today, one of your fellow embarrassed anti-whites in this ng was
disclaiming this sort of attack on whites with filthy laguage.  
Naturally, he said it was really one of David Duke's boys, A Nazi Who
Wants to Kill Six Million Jews.
    Actually, the really foul language is used almost exclusively from
the anti-white side.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 13:47:30 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: CLONE GOAL: WIPE OUT EVIL
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:19:52 -0400
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There is a fundamental difference in my thought and that of the
clones  and their progenitors.  To me, history is largely a series of
human action and human reaction.  To them, as with their Puritan
intellectual ancestors, history is a struggle between Pure Good and Pure
Evil.
    Take antisemitism.  The clone has been trained to say that every
people among whom Jews have lived in large numbers have just gotten out
of bed one morning and said to themselves, "I am now Evil, I am going to
hate Jews."  And t hat's where everything came from, according to
clones.
     All my life I have heard absolutely endless stories about how bad
Jews have been treated.  They are officially the only people on earth
who have Suffered, and it's all because everybody else is Evil
    Anybody who disagrees is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.
    Let us forget for a moment we're talking about history's only people
wqho have seuufered and talk about mere humans.  If a mere human group
of people caught a tenth of the crap Jews have, how would they react?
    They'd be pissed, big time.  Their whole culture would be hostile to
those around them.  That's how humans react.
    If they acted like mere human, Jewish culture would produce people
who werea t the haed of Communist and otehr movements which reflected
pure hatred for the people around them(in the name of love, of course).
    The reaction of the Official Jew to this treatment, and especially
to the Holocaust, could have been  that of human beings.  I know that's
blasphemy, but let's think about it a second.  From the point of view of
Official Jewish Doctrine in majority-white countries, the natural
revenge for the Holocaust is The Final Solution to the White Problem: to
demand massive immigration and integration for every white majority
country, and only white majority countries.    
     According to the clones, this is impossible, unintellectual, and a
product of Pure Evil.  The cure, says Dr. Clone, is suppress anyone who
says it as A Nazi Who Wants to Kill Six Million Jews, to ruin careers in
America and put them in prison in other countries.
     The solution from Dr. Bob is to call off the war.  The Official
Jewish Line, anyone who is concerned about the white race is A Nazi Who
Wants to Kill Six Million Jews, is a tit for a tat.   It is a natural
continuation of the old hate and counter hate as a result  of which Jews
have historically had so much fun with their neighbors.
     At this stage of the endless action and reaction war between the
Jewish people and their neighbors, the Jews have all the weapons.   This
is their chance to call off the war.


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 13:47:33 PDT 1996
Article: 45178 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: Bob Whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: "Universalism" Verus Racism
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:45:06 -0400
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <324713E0.6B4B@conterra.com>,
> Bob Whitaker (bwhit@conterra.com) wrote:
> : The last thing Universalism is is universal.
> :         When I was a child, the fact that the Inquisition was conducted
> : in the name of Love and Brotherhood came as a real surprise.  But as
> : the years passed and I learned more, I became very used to the fact
> : that politics tend to destroy each virtue in its own name. Far from
> : surprising, it is routine.
> :         Real mercy can be thrown away in the name of a Greater Mercy,
> : as was done in the Inquisition.  People who are fanatical about
> : Tolerance can be the most intolerant people you will ever meet.
> 
>     WTFE.  Bobby, did you overdose on your medication *AGAIN*?
> 
> :         The trouble with Universalism is that all of the different
> : Universalist ideas divide the world more brutally than bigotry ever
> : could:  In the name of Universal Peace and Justice, Mao and Stalin
> : outdid Hitler.
> 
>     WTFE.
> 
> :         How many Universal faiths are there?   And within each
> : Universalism there are sects.   And every single one of these
> : Universalists is absolutely convinced that, among the thousands of
> : active Universal Truths, his particular Truth is the True One.
> 
>     Not so, Bob.  Shows just how clueless you are.
> 
> :         Political Correctness is based on Universalism.  So instead of
> : calling blacks "niggers", it calls white working people "inbred trailer
> : trash".  The naked hate one sees routinely in the name of anti-racism
> : would be a surprise to a child, but an educated adult knows the
> : inevitability of it.
> 
>     Bobby... I'm gonna bust a few ribs in laughter at this drivel!!!
> 
> :       Hitler was a Universalist racist.  Just as Stalin and Lenin had
> : their Working Class for which all was to be sacrificed, Hitler had his
> : univerally superior Aryan Race.
> 
>     You mean, what "he thought" was his universally superior Aryan race.
> 
> :       Today's Polticial Correctness wants to "wipe out all traces of
> : racism".
> 
>     Bob, it's not "Today's Political Correctness".  It's the fact that
> racism is wrong, and inhuman.  So that I don't repeat myself, I'll come
> back to this below.
> 
> :         PC freaks talk instead about how all evil really comes from
> : racism and Hitler, and how they, being Universalist, are the salt of
> : the earth.  If people find out what Stalin and the Inquisition and the
> : Puritans and all had in common, they might look into the roots of
> : Political Correctness itself.
> 
>     Many of our social problems have a basis in prejudice of some sort.
> Not always "racial" prejudice, but racism is no doubt the biggest issue
> we face in today's society.

   It is certainly the basis of the program you Politically Correct
"Universalists" push for ethnic balance and insulting whites.  You are
conceding my point.
   You clones are always insisting I make statements.  When I do, all
you do is make snotty comments.
   You're a grteat bunch of thinkers, you are.


  I'll quote Cornel West in his book "Race
> Matters", which I just recently read, on this:
> 
>         Race is the most explosive issue in American life precisely
>         because it forces us to confront the tragic facts of poverty and
>         paranoia, dispair and distrust. (156)
> 
>     Now, Bob, about why racism has to be done away with.  Let me just
> say that if you weren't so lucky and were born a Black man, you would
> understand.  Maybe I'd understand better than I already do, for that
> matter.  Again, I'll quote, this time, from the back cover of Martin
> Luther King, Jr.'s book "Why We Can't Wait", which I'm reading right now:
> 
>         Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging
>         darts of segregation to say, "Wait".
> 
>         But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and
>         fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim...
> 
>         When you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro
>         brothers smoldering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst
>         of an affluent society...
> 
>         When you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech
>         stammering as you seek to explain to your six-year-old daughter
>         why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been
>         advertised on television...
> 
>         When you are harried by day and haunted at night by the fact
>         that you are a Negro, living constantly at tiptoe stance, never
>         quite knowing what to expect next...
> 
>         Then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait.
>         There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men
>         are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair.
> 
>     Bob, as White men, you and I will never truly understand that, at
> least certainly not to the level that a Black person can.  But I can
> learn about this, and empathize with people who are treated in inhumane
> ways everyday, and through it, find out one key thing: racism is wrong,
> and does not belong in this world.  I plan on doing some good while I'm
> alive, Bob.  I don't know about you.
> 
>          Phil Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Sun Sep 29 14:14:19 PDT 1996
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tom moran wrote:
> 
> Yes, I'm quite sure you will.  You're dull, Bob.
> 
> By the way--you forgot to say "Mommy Professor" again.  You really
> ought to see about these memory lapses.
> 
> Bill

   "Mommy Professor" relates to another of the grand total of four or
five basic statements all clones always make.


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep 30 12:24:19 PDT 1996
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Andrew Stephenson wrote:
> 
> In article <844034076snz@drmac.demon.co.uk>
>            Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk "Duncan R. MacMillan" writes:
> 
> > [...]
> >
> >         What the H*ll goes on these out-of-the-way ngs? The 'Net exists
> > primarily as a means of escaping people whose names rhyme with "putz" and I
> > just got feebly mailbombed by one, specifically, a "Wayne Lutz". Is he one of
> > "yours" too? He also threatened to report me to my ISP. F*ckhead, I *AM* the
> > ISP.
> >         I can see that I've got my work cut out for the next few posts,
> > bringing some much needed *DIVERSITY* into sadly deprived lives.
> 
> Anyone contemplating taking this further might care to know that
> his address shows him (like me) to be a client of Demon Internet
> Services, who try to run an orderly house.  Their Acceptable Use
> Policy is firm but fair.  So far he probably has not transgressed
> any serious terms, apart from use of obscenities.  However, Demon
> are one of the UK ISPs who are currently taking a _keen_ interest
> in cleaning up the Net, so at the very least I doubt if they'd be
> impressed by his attitude.  Try them if you tire of his babbling.
> 
> FWIW, the "drmac" in his address is his own choice, made when he
> joined Demon.  So don't let his gormless bluster put you off.  He
> isn't the ISP, unless that stands for "I'm Singularly Prattish".
> 
> HTH. :-)
> --
> Andrew Stephenson


     As Duncan said, what happened to all that wonderful *DIVERSITY*
British law requires?


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Andrew Stephenson wrote:
> 
> In article <844034076snz@drmac.demon.co.uk>
>            Duncan@drmac.demon.co.uk "Duncan R. MacMillan" writes:
> 
> > [...]
> >
> >         What the H*ll goes on these out-of-the-way ngs? The 'Net exists
> > primarily as a means of escaping people whose names rhyme with "putz" and I
> > just got feebly mailbombed by one, specifically, a "Wayne Lutz". Is he one of
> > "yours" too? He also threatened to report me to my ISP. F*ckhead, I *AM* the
> > ISP.
> >         I can see that I've got my work cut out for the next few posts,
> > bringing some much needed *DIVERSITY* into sadly deprived lives.
> 
> Anyone contemplating taking this further might care to know that
> his address shows him (like me) to be a client of Demon Internet
> Services, who try to run an orderly house.  Their Acceptable Use
> Policy is firm but fair.  So far he probably has not transgressed
> any serious terms, apart from use of obscenities.  However, Demon
> are one of the UK ISPs who are currently taking a _keen_ interest
> in cleaning up the Net, so at the very least I doubt if they'd be
> impressed by his attitude.  Try them if you tire of his babbling.
> 
> FWIW, the "drmac" in his address is his own choice, made when he
> joined Demon.  So don't let his gormless bluster put you off.  He
> isn't the ISP, unless that stands for "I'm Singularly Prattish".
> 
> HTH. :-)
> --
> Andrew Stephenson


     As Duncan said, what happened to all that wonderful *DIVERSITY*
British law requires?


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> From: Ourobouros
> 
> In article <52g83o$l3c@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura says...
> 
> >Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >>Considering that the point of McVay in specially marking said post was
> >>for a supposed fabrication of C-S.  "Finsten" claims that I said C-S
> >>makes mention of a White race, which is totally false.
> 
> >I made no such claim, "Mr. Stone".  I called you on the carpet for this
> >statement:
> 
> >     At some point in the future genetic distance maps visibly
> >     demonstrating the White gene pool, as has been vaguely done
> >     by Cavalli-Sforza and his team in "History and Geography of
> >     Human Genes", 1994.  For a person to be White they will have
> >     to be within the appropriate area. [reproduced from the
> >     offending Nizkor file]
> 
> "Mr. Stone" now whines:
> 
> +So this reply (of yours) is a figment of everybody's imagination? :
> 
> +  By the way, Cavalli-Sforza et al. have *not* identified, delimited or
> +  even *mentioned* a "White gene pool" in "The History and Geography of
> +  Human Genes".  "White" does not appear in the index of this book,
> +  which I have sitting right before me (Santa did indeed come early
> +  this year).  Or would you care to direct me to a specific page or
> +  quotation?
> 
> +These statements "...have *not* identified, delimited or even *mentioned*
> +a 'White gene pool'... 'White' does not appear in the index of this book
> +..." all imply the opposite of your claim.  If anything the offending file
> +should be called "finsten-fabricates" but McVay couldn't have that could
> +he?
> 
>     Pardon me?  Exactly how do the statements of mine you cite above imply
>     the opposite of my earlier claim?  You were attributing something to
>     these researchers that they have *not* done.  Cavalli-Sforza et al. have
>     *not* produced "genetic distance maps visibly demonstrating the White
>     gene pool", as you put it. Period.  I will discuss your "interpretation"
>     of their data in more detail below.  You were attempting to garner
>     credibility for your definition of the "White race" by implying
>     that their work supports your ideas.  Whether you now say that this
>     "support" is inadvertent on their part is irrelevant.  Whether you now
>     say that this reference to their work was not intended to mislead is
>     irrelevant.  The result is fabrication and misrepresentation by you.
>     I in fact suggested that it was as likely to have arisen from your
>     poor understanding of their research as anything else.
> 
> >You imply in this statement that Cavalli-Sforza et al. have visibly
> >demonstrated the existence and/or spatial distribution of "the
> >White gene pool", if vaguely.  They have done no such thing, vaguely
> >or clearly.  You, and you alone, are inferring the presence of an
> >identifiable "White gene pool" in a limited part of Europe, based
> >on a faulty understanding of their methodology and data.  What
> >percentage of the variation does the PC map you like so much account
> >for, "Mr. Stone"?  How do you explain the fact that more variation is
> >accounted for by other principal components that show quite different
> >geographic distributions?
> 
> +On p.269, fig. 5.5.2 is a two dimensional graph, no?
> 
> +Around England, Germany et al. is a seperation from *non-white*
> +populations.  C-S uses no such words as "white" or "non-white" just in
> +case you or Judd decide to try this stunt again.  It is vague because it
> 
>     You are absolutely right that they use no such language.  They
>     talk about northern, central and southern European populations.
>     Exactly which ones are you saying are "white" and "non-white",
>     "Mr. Stone"?  Only the northern European populations?  This
>     label, of course, comes from geographic position, not genetic
>     relatedness.  Genetic relatedness is somewhat more complex,
>     as I'm sure you noticed, even if you chose not to mention it.
> 
> +is concerned with geographical entities and I therefore only use to
> +demonstrate that distance from non-whites is feasible via genetics.  I
> +don't consider it the be-all and end-all.
> 
>     Well I'm really glad to see that you don't see genetics as the "be-all
>     and end-all", "Mr. Stone".  Gosh, why would anything in population
>     genetics be concerned with "geographical entities"?  It couldn't
>     possibly have anything to do with the fact that *populations* are
>     geographical entities, could it?
> 
>     Did you notice that this principal-component map places Finns
>     as outliers to the remaining European populations?  They are
>     quite literally off the map.  Are you prepared to abandon Finns
>     as members of the "White race", "Mr. Stone"?  And what of
>     the French, Belgians, and Austrians?  Interesting, isn't it,
>     how Austrians are farther removed from northern Europeans
>     than are the Portuguese, whom you have been calling "half black/
>     half white halfbreeds" for months.  In order to include Austrians
>     in the "White race", you'll have to take the Portuguese too.
>     And it seems that it would be very difficult to justify excluding
>     Poles unless you also exclude Belgians and French.  Or to include
>     Czechs unless you also include Spaniards.
> 
>     Please do explain in what way this constitutes a "vague" delineation
>     of your "White race", "Mr. Stone".
> 
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman




	Did you people know that EVERY SINGLE recognized authority on Marxism
in the Soviet Union in 1980 agreed that Marxism was right?
        Did you know that every recognized authority in America, or for
that matter anybody who keeps his job, only writes things that agree
with Finsten?


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > The Generalissimo wrote:
> > >
> > > evil Beavis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken McVay writes in message :
> > > > >
> > > > > > What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being forced to ride
> > > > > > in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > > > > association;" being forced to use "coloured only" washrooms wasn't "the
> > > > > > criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to avoid "whites
> > > > > > only" "public" buildings wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > > > > association;" being forced to serve in segregated military units wasn't
> > > > > >"the criminalization of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid
> > > > > > the United States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a
> > > > > > "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal muscle
> > > > > > to enforce existing voter registration legislation?
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if I
> > > > > do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two
> > > > > consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was to
> > > > > force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through the
> > > > > threat of fines and imprisonment.
> > > > >
> > > > > My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but I
> > > > > seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with one
> > > > > another had many opportunities to do so.
> > > >
> > > > It was made very hard beacuse of people like you. Not to mention
> > > > potentially very dangerous. We will never revert to the days when
> > > > cowardly bigots ran this country and killed and terrorized in the South
> > > > with impunity.
> > > >
> > > > eB
> > >
> > > Wow, eb?  Long time no hear!  As factual a post as any you have made
> > > though.  Packed with non emotional fact.  Too bad you could not footnote
> > > those.  When you post, post who said it, and what was said, like the
> > > following:
> > >
> > >  "I can maybe work with him, (The
> > > Slickster) but I now know who he is, and what he is.  There is nothing
> > > he won't do,
> > > he is immune to shame.  Move past all the nice posturing and get really
> > > down there
> > > in him you find absolutely nothing, nothing but an appetite."
> > >
> > > The Rightous Reverend Jessie Jackson, speaking about the values of bill
> > > clinton.
> >
> >    I remember segregation very well, and I have seen the version of it
> > Little Beaver is referring to on TV:
> >     a black man comes into a white restaurant asking to buy a loaf of
> > bread to his sick, starving wife, and the lynch mob forms.
> >     Little Beaver is saying, like all the clones, that he wants his
> > ethnic balance program and the Final Solution to the White Problem, and
> > all  of us know it.
> >     One of the biggest arguments of the integrationists was that sickos
> > who would stand for the disappearance of the white race into a brown
> > soup simply did not exist in the real world.   Well, that turned out to
> > be as true as everything else the libs said.
> 
> Did you just replace the phrase "establishment good boys" with "clones"?
> Now it seems genocide is the latest thing to fester upon your feeble
> mind.
> 
> eB





    You clones only make three or four points, total, and I reduce all
that verbiage to plain English and it drives you nuts.
    Yes, just as the destruction of any nonwhite race would upset you
terribly, I simply will not back down from attacking the destruction of
mine.


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evil Beavis wrote:
> 
> Bob Whitaker wrote:
> >
> > The Generalissimo wrote:
> > >
> > > evil Beavis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken McVay writes in message :
> > > > >
> > > > > > What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being forced to ride
> > > > > > in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > > > > association;" being forced to use "coloured only" washrooms wasn't "the
> > > > > > criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to avoid "whites
> > > > > > only" "public" buildings wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of
> > > > > > association;" being forced to serve in segregated military units wasn't
> > > > > >"the criminalization of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid
> > > > > > the United States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a
> > > > > > "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal muscle
> > > > > > to enforce existing voter registration legislation?
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if I
> > > > > do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two
> > > > > consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was to
> > > > > force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through the
> > > > > threat of fines and imprisonment.
> > > > >
> > > > > My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but I
> > > > > seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with one
> > > > > another had many opportunities to do so.
> > > >
> > > > It was made very hard beacuse of people like you. Not to mention
> > > > potentially very dangerous. We will never revert to the days when
> > > > cowardly bigots ran this country and killed and terrorized in the South
> > > > with impunity.
> > > >
> > > > eB
> > >
> > > Wow, eb?  Long time no hear!  As factual a post as any you have made
> > > though.  Packed with non emotional fact.  Too bad you could not footnote
> > > those.  When you post, post who said it, and what was said, like the
> > > following:
> > >
> > >  "I can maybe work with him, (The
> > > Slickster) but I now know who he is, and what he is.  There is nothing
> > > he won't do,
> > > he is immune to shame.  Move past all the nice posturing and get really
> > > down there
> > > in him you find absolutely nothing, nothing but an appetite."
> > >
> > > The Rightous Reverend Jessie Jackson, speaking about the values of bill
> > > clinton.
> >
> >    I remember segregation very well, and I have seen the version of it
> > Little Beaver is referring to on TV:
> >     a black man comes into a white restaurant asking to buy a loaf of
> > bread to his sick, starving wife, and the lynch mob forms.
> >     Little Beaver is saying, like all the clones, that he wants his
> > ethnic balance program and the Final Solution to the White Problem, and
> > all  of us know it.
> >     One of the biggest arguments of the integrationists was that sickos
> > who would stand for the disappearance of the white race into a brown
> > soup simply did not exist in the real world.   Well, that turned out to
> > be as true as everything else the libs said.
> 
> Did you just replace the phrase "establishment good boys" with "clones"?
> Now it seems genocide is the latest thing to fester upon your feeble
> mind.
> 
> eB





    You clones only make three or four points, total, and I reduce all
that verbiage to plain English and it drives you nuts.
    Yes, just as the destruction of any nonwhite race would upset you
terribly, I simply will not back down from attacking the destruction of
mine.


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <324B5F46.2E28@vegas.infi.net>,
> The Generalissimo (nich40@vegas.infi.net) wrote:
> : evil Beavis wrote:
> : > Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> : > > Ken McVay writes in message :
> : > > > What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being
> : > > > forced to ride in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization
> : > > > of freedom of association;" being forced to use "coloured only"
> : > > > washrooms wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of association;"
> : > > > being forced to avoid "whites only" "public" buildings wasn't
> : > > > "the criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to
> : > > > serve in segregated military units wasn't "the criminalization
> : > > > of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid the United
> : > > > States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> : > > >
> : > > > Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a
> : > > > "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal
> : > > > muscle to enforce existing voter registration legislation?
> 
> : > > It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if
> : > > I do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two
> : > > consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was
> : > > to force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through
> : > > the threat of fines and imprisonment.
> : > >
> : > > My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but
> : > > I seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with
> : > > one another had many opportunities to do so.
> 
> : > It was made very hard beacuse of people like you. Not to mention
> : > potentially very dangerous. We will never revert to the days when
> : > cowardly bigots ran this country and killed and terrorized in the
> : > South with impunity.
> 
> : Wow, eb?  Long time no hear!  As factual a post as any you have made
> : though.  Packed with non emotional fact.  Too bad you could not footnote
> : those.  When you post, post who said it, and what was said
> 
>     Idiot.  What he said is common knowledge, and if you had a clue,
> you'd know it.  I'll give you two things you can read that could give
> you some clue, though- "Why We Can't Wait" by Martin Luther King, Jr.,
> and "Racial Matters: The FBI's Secret File on Black America 1960-1972"
> by Kenneth O'Reilly.  The former is a better source for this particular
> topic; the latter is about the Civil Rights Movement in general.




   That was then, this is now.  The pendulum has swung so far that the
very existence of the white race is your target now.  This is justified,
as such things are, by shouting about how Evil white people are, and
Hitler was, etc.
   They use this to justify attacking whites, note the absence of
quotation marks when they are saying something nasty about whites, and
saying "whites" when anyone expresses a concern about the genetical
continuance of the race or says something good about it.
   All this so-called "integration" is demanded only in majority white
countries.  Their goal is a world in which Asia is Mongoloid, Africa is
Negroid, and every white majority of today is a nice,
ethnically-balanced brown.  This is targetted,a nd it is thereofre
genocide, and screaming about past injustices does not excuse.  In fact,
this has nothing to do with righting past injustices, but they shout
loud enough to keep people from noticing that. 







> 
>         Phil "another lame attempt at dodging the truth" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <324B5F46.2E28@vegas.infi.net>,
> The Generalissimo (nich40@vegas.infi.net) wrote:
> : evil Beavis wrote:
> : > Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
> : > > Ken McVay writes in message :
> : > > > What a fascinating sort of tunnel vision, Mr. Strom! Being
> : > > > forced to ride in the back of the bus wasn't "the criminalization
> : > > > of freedom of association;" being forced to use "coloured only"
> : > > > washrooms wasn't "the criminalization of freedom of association;"
> : > > > being forced to avoid "whites only" "public" buildings wasn't
> : > > > "the criminalization of freedom of association;" being forced to
> : > > > serve in segregated military units wasn't "the criminalization
> : > > > of freedom of association;" but passing laws to rid the United
> : > > > States of the blight of those perversions _was_?
> : > > >
> : > > > Tell me, Mr. Strom... was being denied the right to vote not a
> : > > > "criminalization," too? Or was the "criminalization" using federal
> : > > > muscle to enforce existing voter registration legislation?
> 
> : > > It is not "freedom of association" for you to come onto my property if
> : > > I do not want anything to do with you. Free association requires two
> : > > consenting parties; the purpose of the "civil rights" legislation was
> : > > to force the "consent" of certain individuals and institutions through
> : > > the threat of fines and imprisonment.
> : > >
> : > > My recollection of pre-1965 America may not be as good as yours, but
> : > > I seem to recall that Blacks and Whites who wanted to associate with
> : > > one another had many opportunities to do so.
> 
> : > It was made very hard beacuse of people like you. Not to mention
> : > potentially very dangerous. We will never revert to the days when
> : > cowardly bigots ran this country and killed and terrorized in the
> : > South with impunity.
> 
> : Wow, eb?  Long time no hear!  As factual a post as any you have made
> : though.  Packed with non emotional fact.  Too bad you could not footnote
> : those.  When you post, post who said it, and what was said
> 
>     Idiot.  What he said is common knowledge, and if you had a clue,
> you'd know it.  I'll give you two things you can read that could give
> you some clue, though- "Why We Can't Wait" by Martin Luther King, Jr.,
> and "Racial Matters: The FBI's Secret File on Black America 1960-1972"
> by Kenneth O'Reilly.  The former is a better source for this particular
> topic; the latter is about the Civil Rights Movement in general.




   That was then, this is now.  The pendulum has swung so far that the
very existence of the white race is your target now.  This is justified,
as such things are, by shouting about how Evil white people are, and
Hitler was, etc.
   They use this to justify attacking whites, note the absence of
quotation marks when they are saying something nasty about whites, and
saying "whites" when anyone expresses a concern about the genetical
continuance of the race or says something good about it.
   All this so-called "integration" is demanded only in majority white
countries.  Their goal is a world in which Asia is Mongoloid, Africa is
Negroid, and every white majority of today is a nice,
ethnically-balanced brown.  This is targetted,a nd it is thereofre
genocide, and screaming about past injustices does not excuse.  In fact,
this has nothing to do with righting past injustices, but they shout
loud enough to keep people from noticing that. 







> 
>         Phil "another lame attempt at dodging the truth" Kasiecki
> 
> --
> Philip T. Kasiecki                       Co-op: pkasieck@pictel.com
> Electrical and Computer Engineering      NU: pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu
> Northeastern University Class of 1999
> 
> "Life without meaning, hope, and love breeds a
> coldhearted, mean-spirited outlook that destroys
> both the individual and others."
> -Cornel West, "Race Matters"


From bwhit@conterra.com Mon Sep 30 19:38:18 PDT 1996
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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Subject: Bob Dole -- the ELECTABLE conservative
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Anybody remember that one?
   How about this one: "if they allow the public to have concealed
weapons permits, it'll be like Dodge City.  There'll be slaughter in the
streets."
   Anybody else remember any more Golden Oldies that have gone down the
Orwellian Memory Hole?


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From: Bob Whitaker 
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Mr. Whitaker, if you were right, there would be no Human Genome
> Project.
> 
> After reading Whitewolf's letter of resignation, I started thinking
> about your contribution to white supremacist/separatist causes.
> I'm beginning to think that you are actually a non-racist plant,
> whose role is to show the intellectual poverty of racism.
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman




     If you really thought that you wouldn't say it.
     God, It is pitiful watching you clones trying to be tricky!   You
clones have got to remember that your strong point is quotations, not
thinking.
    You have been provided with a society in which anyone who disagrees
with you one race is fired and, outside the US, often jailed.  No
recognized authority is going to contradict anything you  say, and any
argument for doing away with whitey gets instant money and attention.
     Isn't it wonderful that, unlike all the other clones in history,
you happen to have an estgablishment crushing all opposition for you
which also happens to represent Final and Absolute Truth?
     Gosh, you 're lucky!   And you , like all history's other clones,
believe it absolutely.



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