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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
Date: 27 May 1996 21:31:52 GMT
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   There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
others, we took it from them. 



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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  Your statement that 98% of successful blacks marry black 
reminds me of the toehr statistics you PC types sdome up wiith. 
 I think it was Little Beaver who came up with a statistic that 
 98% of child molestors were white males.  I looked it up and 
it was of course bullshit.  When I worked on Capitol Hill, that 
was something I did regularly.  I got paid to shoot down that 
crap.  Actually, I honestly cannot remember a single statistic 
that you libs ever stated correctly if everyone didn't know 
waht it actually was.



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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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  Your statement that 98% of successful blacks marry black 
reminds me of the toehr statistics you PC types sdome up wiith. 
 I think it was Little Beaver who came up with a statistic that 
 98% of child molestors were white males.  I looked it up and 
it was of course bullshit.  When I worked on Capitol Hill, that 
was something I did regularly.  I got paid to shoot down that 
crap.  Actually, I honestly cannot remember a single statistic 
that you libs ever stated correctly if everyone didn't know 
waht it actually was.



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue May 28 14:05:32 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: What is this group about?
Date: 28 May 1996 17:48:43 GMT
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timmac@halcyon.com (Tim McNair) wrote:
>Mr Whitaker,
>Regargless of what document all men are created equal appeared in,
>the fact is that this idea holds true. None of you hatemonger assholes
>have told me what makes you better than me because I am Jewish. Also,
>you have given no proof of your paranoid Oh Shit!!! The Jews are
>taking over the world, stealing our money, raping our women, and
>killing our first born male children! 
>
>Bob, since Im assuming that you have a gun, seeing how right-wing you
>are, please go shoot yourself.
>
>Andrew McNair
>timmac@halcyon.com


    On, no!  The old poor-me-I'm-Jewish-so-I'll-have-a-tantrum 
bit.  



From bwhit@conterra.com Tue May 28 15:55:57 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: 'pure' races would become inbred
Date: 28 May 1996 19:18:21 GMT
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>   About the great apes, there is no evidence that we cannot 
>>interbreed with them.  I am sure that twenty Bruce Parsons, PhD 
>>can be called on to declare authoritiatively that such 
>>interbreeding is or is not possible, depending on which side 
>>says what, but in fact we simply have no experimental evidence.
>
>What was your point in introducing great apes into the discussion
>of the human gene pool, Mr. Whitaker?  Your train of thought, if
>I may call it that, is very difficult to follow.
>
>>    As to alleles and breeding the master race, when you are 
>>speaking of a gene pool, it is like anything else in life, 
>>there is inbreeding and there is crossbredding to the point 
>>where one is not suited to the environment.  Black skin died in 
>>Sweden, white skin dies in Nigeria.  It is a matter 
>>experimentation and return on it.
>
>You appear to be making the error of equating selective breeding
>with natural evolutionary forces.  Selective breeding *reduces*
>genetic variation in order to promote particular desired
>characteristics.  But in nature, genetic variation - the *number*
>of alleles, or different variants of a gene - is *not* reduced; 
>rather the relative *predominance* of alleles changes.  
>
>The term "cross-breeding" is not appropriate within the human
>species, because the genetic differences *between* the groups most 
>folks call "races" are less that the differences between 
>populations *within* such groups. 

     Some 97% percent of great ape genes are likewise the same.
You simply cannot seem to understand that something is not true 
simply because you announce that it is Politically Correct.  
Your annouincement that when races are mixed it isn't to be 
called interbreding is not new, nor does it carry any 
authority.



 A more appropriate term would
>be "gene flow", which is characteristic of all but rare, highly
>isolated populations.
>
>A difference, of course, between humans and other species is
>that we have culture and technology.  Many environmental
>limitations can now be overcome.  Vitamin D supplements overcome
>the problems that may be posed by higher melanin content at
>higher latitudes, and sunscreen, hats and suitable clothing
>can overcome the problems posed by high UV radiation at lower
>latitudes.  Or are you suggesting that all those California
>blondes are an abomination of nature?    
>
>
>I do not think a cross 
>>betweeen man and monkey, which the Japanese apparently did 
>>discuss a decade or so ago, would be a good idea for the 
>>man-monkey or for society in general.
>
>What is your point with this?  Monkeys are a different and much 
>more distantly related group of primates than are the great apes.
>I have no idea why you introduced the "idea" of interspecific
>breeding within the family of primates, and what point you may
>be attempting to make with this rather strange red herring.
> 
>>    Now according to your orthodoxy, no race is better adapted 
>>than any other today for anything.  There are literally 
>>hundreds of thousands of John Doe, PhDs who  wil testify to 
>>this.  You can also see them lining up in the 1950's to swear 
>>Stalinism was just "liberalism in a hurry".  Once again, Oliver 
>>Hardy spoke a very important truth: "There is nothing dumber 
>>than a dumb man who thinks he's smart."  Someone whose 
>>ignorance is justified by PC is truly hopeless. the well known 
>>"ignorance of the intellectual". 
>
>Do tell me what you have divined my "orthodoxy" to constitute,
>since such a vague and nebulous remark is impossible to 
>respond to.

   What I mean by "orthodoxy" is this.  Several of you have 
told me how boring I am in comparison with Grisworld.  You tell 
Griswold much the same thing, of course.  But the point is, it 
isn't difficult to tell it is me who is doing the writing.  In 
your case, I honestly do not believe anyone could tell whether 
it was you, Little Beaver, aka, evilBeavis, Caesar the 
Rreverend Sister, or some other of your group who was doing the 
writing without looking at the signature below.  I am talking 
to an intellectual blob, and it's tiresome.
    Take this string, for instance.  The title says that if a 
race is not mixed it is inbred.   That's silly.  It says that a 
 gene pool of hundreds of millions is inbred.   I don't 
remember which of you started this nonsense because it is a 
standard argument you foks put out and then back off of in the 
few instances where an open challenge cannot be prevented, eg, 
off campus and out of the general media.
     That is the position you are now arguing.  If not, please 
start a new string and tell me what you are saying.

>And if you are suggesting that I am ignorant, I wish you would
>be more specific, rather than merely tossing out these gauzy
>ad hominems, and capping them with a little more of your usual
>rant about "PC".  In Canada, where I am posting from, by the
>way, "PC" refers to the "Progressive Conservative" party.
>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Tue May 28 15:55:58 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
Date: 28 May 1996 20:55:33 GMT
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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <4od708$fpe@molokini.conterra.com>
>           bwhit@conterra.com "bob whitaker" writes:
>
>>    There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>> others, we took it from them. 
>> 
>> 
>
>Who did the Native Americans take the land from then?
>
>Enlighten us.
>
>
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>from Caesar
>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
>"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero
>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>---------------------------------------------------------------


     It's hopeless with Caesar, but for the benefit of you who 
can read, I will repeat what I have said several times here:  
There is no such thing as a Native America.  There were waves 
of diffferent groups, each pushing the next southward.  Some of 
them are in freezing Tierra del Fuego, where they have actually 
evolved a high metabolism to deal with the hideous conditions 
by generating internal heat.  They came in through what is now 
the US many thousands of years ago,a ndt ehy would not be in 
that hellish place if they had not been driven south by a group 
which was driven south by the next group which was driven south 
by the next group.
    Apparently, from the fact that I have been asked this 
several times in this string, these poor brain-paralyzed 
Poltiically Correct types actually can't assimilate a concept 
that complicated.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 06:02:17 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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  Boy, Little Beaver, are YOU somebody to be talking other 
people making things up!



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From: bob whitaker 
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jholley@galaxy.galstar.com (Patrick Holley) wrote:
>Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) wrote:
>: flash@flash.net wrote:
>: : >"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about
>: : >in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races - that
>: : >I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor
>: : >of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will
>: : >say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and
>: : >black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on
>: : >terms of social and political equality." 
>: : >
>: : >Abraham Lincoln, Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858 
>
>: : Point please.
>
>: Abe Lincoln was not the "Great Emancipator" that people make him to be.
>: He only signed the Emancipation Proclamation to scare the rebs into re-
>: joining the Union.  He said "If I can keep the Union without freeing
>: one slave, I would do it" or something similar to that.  However, he
>: did see the way that the Black soldiers fought the Civil War and decided
>: to offer them 40 acres and a mule.  He still did not believe in the
>: racial equality that we believe in now; he wanted them to go back to Af-
>: rica.  If I were living in that era, I would be lynched faster than you
>: can say Radical Republican (back then the Republicans were the liberal
>: party.)
>
>Lincoln signed the Emacipation proclamation to keep Europe from
>joining and/or helping the South during the war. he was against
>slavery from the beginning (that's why the South threatened to leave if 
>he was elected), but if it took keeping slavery to end the war and
>reform the union, he would accept it.

    You folks always talk about looking things up and reading 
things, but you never do.  Read the Repulican platform of 1860. 
 It practically went nuts insisting that it was NOT against 
slavery itself, but merely its expansion into the West, and 
reiterated its support of the Fugitive Slave Act.
     
    
  
>
>: --
>: Brendan John Francis Scallon    When it comes to the net, I'm
>: scallon@pyrotechnics.com     similar to the thrilla in Manila
>: Race: Other__Celtic__    http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~scallon
>: "Greener than a trillion rainforests"              -C'est moi




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From: bob whitaker 
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jholley@galaxy.galstar.com (Patrick Holley) wrote:
>Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) wrote:
>: flash@flash.net wrote:
>: : >"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about
>: : >in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races - that
>: : >I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor
>: : >of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will
>: : >say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and
>: : >black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on
>: : >terms of social and political equality." 
>: : >
>: : >Abraham Lincoln, Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858 
>
>: : Point please.
>
>: Abe Lincoln was not the "Great Emancipator" that people make him to be.
>: He only signed the Emancipation Proclamation to scare the rebs into re-
>: joining the Union.  He said "If I can keep the Union without freeing
>: one slave, I would do it" or something similar to that.  However, he
>: did see the way that the Black soldiers fought the Civil War and decided
>: to offer them 40 acres and a mule.  He still did not believe in the
>: racial equality that we believe in now; he wanted them to go back to Af-
>: rica.  If I were living in that era, I would be lynched faster than you
>: can say Radical Republican (back then the Republicans were the liberal
>: party.)
>
>Lincoln signed the Emacipation proclamation to keep Europe from
>joining and/or helping the South during the war. he was against
>slavery from the beginning (that's why the South threatened to leave if 
>he was elected), but if it took keeping slavery to end the war and
>reform the union, he would accept it.

    You folks always talk about looking things up and reading 
things, but you never do.  Read the Repulican platform of 1860. 
 It practically went nuts insisting that it was NOT against 
slavery itself, but merely its expansion into the West, and 
reiterated its support of the Fugitive Slave Act.
     
    
  
>
>: --
>: Brendan John Francis Scallon    When it comes to the net, I'm
>: scallon@pyrotechnics.com     similar to the thrilla in Manila
>: Race: Other__Celtic__    http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~scallon
>: "Greener than a trillion rainforests"              -C'est moi




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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>   There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>>others, we took it from them. 
>
>Who did they take it from, Mr. Whitaker?  Funny stance for 
>an anti-immigrationist.
>
>


Not at all.  It's simple realism.  Your crowd's position is, as 
usual, straight Orwellian Doublethink:

!)   White Americans' forebears were Evil land takers and 
killers without an ounce of Idealism and so we should be 
overrun and have no right to be here;
and:
2) White Americans' forebears were total and complete Idealists 
who wanted everybody on earth to have America, just pour on in, 
 they said.

    The fact is we took it from those who took it, as did every 
other people on every other piece of ground on earth.  It is up 
to us to hold it, and includes keeping immigration down to 
where it strictly helps US.




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 10:58:10 PDT 1996
Article: 21109 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>In article <4ofdq4$69p@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>   Your statement that 98% of successful blacks marry black 
>> reminds me of the toehr statistics you PC types sdome up wiith. 
>
>Demonstrate to the world your contrary evidence. References please.
>
>>  I think it was Little Beaver who came up with a statistic that 
>>  98% of child molestors were white males.  I looked it up and 
>> it was of course bullshit. 
>
>Where did you look it up - cite your references.
>
> When I worked on Capitol Hill, that 
>> was something I did regularly.  I got paid to shoot down that 
>> crap.  
>
>Then you will have no problem citing your references.
>
>> Actually, I honestly cannot remember a single statistic 
>> that you libs ever stated correctly if everyone didn't know 
>> waht it actually was.
>
>Demonstrate to the world the plethora of minsinformation that the 'libs'
>spread ? By the way, liberal is not a bad word.


     Liberal is not a bad word for a racist of your type.  
White liberals want to open the borders of all white majority 
countries to coloreds, while nobody is immigrating into colored 
lands.  White liberals are for everybody else's race and poison 
got their own.  Of course you love them dearly!



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 10:58:13 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
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anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>In article <4ofdq4$69p@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker
> wrote:
>
>>   Your statement that 98% of successful blacks marry black 
>> reminds me of the toehr statistics you PC types sdome up wiith. 
>
>Demonstrate to the world your contrary evidence. References please.
>
>>  I think it was Little Beaver who came up with a statistic that 
>>  98% of child molestors were white males.  I looked it up and 
>> it was of course bullshit. 
>
>Where did you look it up - cite your references.
>
> When I worked on Capitol Hill, that 
>> was something I did regularly.  I got paid to shoot down that 
>> crap.  
>
>Then you will have no problem citing your references.
>
>> Actually, I honestly cannot remember a single statistic 
>> that you libs ever stated correctly if everyone didn't know 
>> waht it actually was.
>
>Demonstrate to the world the plethora of minsinformation that the 'libs'
>spread ? By the way, liberal is not a bad word.


    Absolutely no one believes that 98% figure your buddy made 
up of successful blacks marrying blacks. He made it up on the 
spur of the moment, as you people feel so free to do.   I 
exposed the old " only seven percent of families are 
traditional families" the gay lobby pushed for so long.  As 
soon as i did, it disappeared like smoke, like the other stats 
you make up
    I hardly need to say any more, since the fellow you are 
defending just made up his number off the top of his  head, and 
everybody knows it.
    I will say this for you, though unlike a white liberal, you 
are fighting for your own race.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 11:01:00 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Ashamed to be human
Date: 28 May 1996 19:59:10 GMT
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henk@netbistro.com (Henk) wrote:
>It's really bad when people are ashamed to be human because of a few sick
>individuals that have such a low IQ that they hate everything thats not 
>exactly like them. I learned in live that if I don't like something I had
>better learn more about it and therefore understand it better, But I guess
>all these hate mongers have an IQ below 50 (moron level) that they can't
>grasp that simple consept.

    Actually, a moron has an IQ between 50 and 70.  If you 
spend as much time arguing with politically correct people as i 
do, you naturally readup on retards so as to know your enemy.


>
>If you can't love some one different then you that tells me you don't like 
>or love yourself. Basic human nature is hate that what's different how 
>ever we are supposed to be intelegent and better ourselfs by educating 
>our minds. Human compassion thank God is still alive in the majority of 
>us its to bad that people that don't have any compasion for others don't
>have any fore themselves. Take a look at yourselfs and you might find
>a little humanity left in you which will allow you to change.
>
>Some of you will think I must be black or jewish or what ever well I'm
>a white hetrosexual male who does not judge someone by there exterior 
>appearance but by what they live by.
>
>May God have mercy on those of you that condone this hate crap. 




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 11:01:02 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Liberals Will Be Killed in The Coming American Civil War Two
Date: 28 May 1996 19:56:05 GMT
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   Good old Caesar, predictable as always.  His two-line 
response is to a long article complete with references, some of 
them on-line.  The Caesars and Anonymou s and Little Beaver and 
Finsten and Reverend Sister group always ask for statistics and 
references, but never give any.  They ask for definitions, and 
never give any.  Finsten just bragged that she hadn't heard 
about anational-known academic scandal.  She seems to think 
that'll show me.  She also tells us constantly how muchg she 
reads and how she's up with things.   If you're Politically 
Correct, you're used to getting away with that sort of thing.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 15:01:59 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: test, pls igniore
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   You wouldn't have to hop out and defend the Reverend Sister 
if she didn't do gratuitous insults.  
   Your own don't help.



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 20:34:42 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Separation of Race and State
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   You PC types use the word "lie" very freely, because to you 
a lie is not a big thing.  Care to name a lie I have ever been 
caught in?
    



From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 20:34:43 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Separation of Race and State
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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 23 May 1996 23:43:33 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>bparsons@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Parsons, Ph.D. ) wrote:
>>>In <31a499e3.70857696@news.concentric.net> clambert@cris.com (Craig
>>>Lambert) writes: 
>>>>
>>>>On 22 May 1996 19:07:29 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>>>>>>On 19 May 1996 04:50:24 -0400, cat71@aol.com (Cat71) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was going to enumerate the various points in which you are wholly
>>>>>>>incorrect, but that would take far too long.  I will instead simply say,
>>>>>>>that you are a lying sack of shit, and that if you'd care to atually cite
>>>>>>>the case you claim exist, I'll be more than happy to debate you on
>>>>>>>them. Also apparently, you have never heard of the 13th and 14th
>>>>>>>amendments. Try reading them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim Dugan
>>>>>>Being exposed as a liar, fraud and idiot is of no matter to
>>>>>>Civil/Sybil.  Its world is hermetically sealed, except for a
>>>>>>phoneline connecting to the internet and the Enclyclopedia Brittanica online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>>>Predestination: its not just dogma, its the law.
>>>>>>Or will be, someday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     The PC argument about the 14th amendment has been 
>>>>>regurgitated again, so I'll ask a non-PC question:  if the 14th 
>>>>>amendment required the treatment of everybody equally 
>>>>>regardless of race, why is there a fifteenth amendment.
>>>>>     The answer is "You're an evil Nazi!"
>>>>>
>>>>You question might better have been directed at the previous poster,
>>>>Jim Dugan (Cat71@aol.com) who raised the issue of the two amendments.
>>>>I was making a sardonic comment on Frank/Sybil (civil@inet.com) and
>>>>his unwillingness to respond, for instance to a previous refutation of
>>>>his points I posted on this thread. 
>>>>
>>>>However, in my endless quest to disappoint your expectations, Bob,
>>>>I'll take a stab at answering your question by saying on the face of
>>>>it, it would appear that some States were evading the intent of the
>>>>14th amendment by forbidding citizens, apparently ex-slaves, from
>>>>voting on some grounds connected with their previous condition of
>>>>servitude, despite "all persons born or naturalized in the United
>>>>States" having been granted equal status as US citizens in the 14th.
>>
>>   BULLSHIT!   Why don't you read the damned amendment?  The 
>>fourteenth amendment has a provision in it that states which 
>>deny voting to non-whites lost representation accordingly.  
>>They knew about that and provided for it.
>I did and have read it.  If you knew your American history, you'd know
>that that and much stronger measures failed to win most blacks the
>actual, effective right to vote in the south.  Methods used included
>Grandfather clauses, Poll taxes, whites-only primaries, selectively
>applied literacy tests, and other means.
>
>I've put together a list of the court cases, Constitutional
>Amendments, and Civil Rights and Voting acts required EVEN AFTER the
>15th Amendment was passed, and the 15th Amendment CLEARLY requires and
>intends to require that blacks be given the vote.  The ingenuity
>expended in the south in dodging the 15th and subsequent laws and
>court decisions is both impressive and depressing.  Keeping blacks
>from voting has clearly long been a priority in the south, XIV and XV
>Amendments notwithstanding.
>
>Anyway, if you want to see the cases & so on, say the word.  Your
>point is absurd in the light of the historical facts.
>
>I don't expect bigots to have much of a grasp of history, or much
>willingness to discuss it honestly.  You "rise" to the occasion once
>again, "Doc".
>
>>  You now say the 
>>states started doing that and therefore they pased the 
>>amendment.  Dead wrong, and, as I say, obvious if you will just 
>>read the fourteenth amendment.
>>
>"Doc, blacks were being denied the right to vote right through the
>1960's.  That's 90 years after the 15th Amendment was passed.  Yet you
>in your wisdom say the 14th was sufficient.  Bullshit back to you.


    YOU SIMPLY CANNOT READ!

     You said the fifteenth amendment weas passed becauwse they 
were caught by surprise after the fourteenth because balcks 
were not allowed to ovte.  I said bullshit, they knew very well 
states would deny blacks the right to vote, as a READING, 
repeat READING of the amendment will show.     You then changed 
your arguemtn and said they tried to keep baclsk from voitng 
fate the fifteenth amendment.  Like your informing me of the 
twentieth amendment, I reallly didn't need that, nor does any 
literate person.
     What you said was that they passed the fifteenth amendment 
because they thought the fourteenth gave blacks the right to 
vote.  That is wrong.  The fourteenth amendment, as it states, 
was not intended to give blacks equal rights, it simply gave 
them equal protection, a very different thing.
     You said something stupid, and you're covering it with the 
usual Politically Correct creap about all the looking up of 
stuff you've done.  I am the only person in this newsgroup whio 
ever actualy cites swources rather than just talking about how 
educated I am as a PC.
       You're wrong, but I don't tthink you're smart enough to 
know it: "There's nothing  dumber than a dumb man who thinbks 
he's smart."  You and Bruce Parsons, PhD make an appropriate 
pair.




>>
>>>>
>>>>The 15th Amendment closed this loophole by explicitly granting the
>>>>right to vote to ex-slaves.  (Also women are no longer excluded from
>>>>voting by the US Constitution due to this amendment, although it is
>>>>not until the 19th is ratified in 1920 that women's suffrage is made
>>>>(pardon) mandatory.)
>>>>
>>>>So the short answer is that a loophole in the 14th was closed in the
>>>>15th.
>>>>
>>>>Now what, in your view, does the 14th amendment require, if not the
>>>>"treatment of everybody equally regardless of race"?
>>>>
>>>>Bob, you may or may not be a Nazi.  Frankly you rarely post anything
>>>>of substance, hardly ever produce any verifiable facts, routinely call
>>>>names as the sum total of your argument, and make extravagant claims
>>>>of supposed credentials that impress no-one.  You make nonsensical
>>>>claims about history, pretend to a knowledge of biology that upon
>>>>examination is feigned, and like to spice your arguments with specious
>>>>bits of economic jargon.
>>>
>>>I concur. He is obviously a frustrated, poorly educated, and
>>>unintelligent man.
>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah, and you despise blacks and jews.
>>>>What you are is pretty clear, and clearly you'd fit right into a Nazi
>>>>regime as far as your talents and tactics, but I've seen no evidence
>>>>you follow the tenets of National Socialism or its modern offshoots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>>>>1865: you lost
>>>>1945: you lost
>>>>1996: still losers
>>>
>>>Mr. Lambert,
>>>You hit the nail right on the head.
>>
>>
>




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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 23 May 1996 23:43:33 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>bparsons@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Parsons, Ph.D. ) wrote:
>>>In <31a499e3.70857696@news.concentric.net> clambert@cris.com (Craig
>>>Lambert) writes: 
>>>>
>>>>On 22 May 1996 19:07:29 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>>>>>>On 19 May 1996 04:50:24 -0400, cat71@aol.com (Cat71) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was going to enumerate the various points in which you are wholly
>>>>>>>incorrect, but that would take far too long.  I will instead simply say,
>>>>>>>that you are a lying sack of shit, and that if you'd care to atually cite
>>>>>>>the case you claim exist, I'll be more than happy to debate you on
>>>>>>>them. Also apparently, you have never heard of the 13th and 14th
>>>>>>>amendments. Try reading them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim Dugan
>>>>>>Being exposed as a liar, fraud and idiot is of no matter to
>>>>>>Civil/Sybil.  Its world is hermetically sealed, except for a
>>>>>>phoneline connecting to the internet and the Enclyclopedia Brittanica online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>>>Predestination: its not just dogma, its the law.
>>>>>>Or will be, someday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     The PC argument about the 14th amendment has been 
>>>>>regurgitated again, so I'll ask a non-PC question:  if the 14th 
>>>>>amendment required the treatment of everybody equally 
>>>>>regardless of race, why is there a fifteenth amendment.
>>>>>     The answer is "You're an evil Nazi!"
>>>>>
>>>>You question might better have been directed at the previous poster,
>>>>Jim Dugan (Cat71@aol.com) who raised the issue of the two amendments.
>>>>I was making a sardonic comment on Frank/Sybil (civil@inet.com) and
>>>>his unwillingness to respond, for instance to a previous refutation of
>>>>his points I posted on this thread. 
>>>>
>>>>However, in my endless quest to disappoint your expectations, Bob,
>>>>I'll take a stab at answering your question by saying on the face of
>>>>it, it would appear that some States were evading the intent of the
>>>>14th amendment by forbidding citizens, apparently ex-slaves, from
>>>>voting on some grounds connected with their previous condition of
>>>>servitude, despite "all persons born or naturalized in the United
>>>>States" having been granted equal status as US citizens in the 14th.
>>
>>   BULLSHIT!   Why don't you read the damned amendment?  The 
>>fourteenth amendment has a provision in it that states which 
>>deny voting to non-whites lost representation accordingly.  
>>They knew about that and provided for it.
>I did and have read it.  If you knew your American history, you'd know
>that that and much stronger measures failed to win most blacks the
>actual, effective right to vote in the south.  Methods used included
>Grandfather clauses, Poll taxes, whites-only primaries, selectively
>applied literacy tests, and other means.
>
>I've put together a list of the court cases, Constitutional
>Amendments, and Civil Rights and Voting acts required EVEN AFTER the
>15th Amendment was passed, and the 15th Amendment CLEARLY requires and
>intends to require that blacks be given the vote.  The ingenuity
>expended in the south in dodging the 15th and subsequent laws and
>court decisions is both impressive and depressing.  Keeping blacks
>from voting has clearly long been a priority in the south, XIV and XV
>Amendments notwithstanding.
>
>Anyway, if you want to see the cases & so on, say the word.  Your
>point is absurd in the light of the historical facts.
>
>I don't expect bigots to have much of a grasp of history, or much
>willingness to discuss it honestly.  You "rise" to the occasion once
>again, "Doc".
>
>>  You now say the 
>>states started doing that and therefore they pased the 
>>amendment.  Dead wrong, and, as I say, obvious if you will just 
>>read the fourteenth amendment.
>>
>"Doc, blacks were being denied the right to vote right through the
>1960's.  That's 90 years after the 15th Amendment was passed.  Yet you
>in your wisdom say the 14th was sufficient.  Bullshit back to you.


    YOU SIMPLY CANNOT READ!

     You said the fifteenth amendment weas passed becauwse they 
were caught by surprise after the fourteenth because balcks 
were not allowed to ovte.  I said bullshit, they knew very well 
states would deny blacks the right to vote, as a READING, 
repeat READING of the amendment will show.     You then changed 
your arguemtn and said they tried to keep baclsk from voitng 
fate the fifteenth amendment.  Like your informing me of the 
twentieth amendment, I reallly didn't need that, nor does any 
literate person.
     What you said was that they passed the fifteenth amendment 
because they thought the fourteenth gave blacks the right to 
vote.  That is wrong.  The fourteenth amendment, as it states, 
was not intended to give blacks equal rights, it simply gave 
them equal protection, a very different thing.
     You said something stupid, and you're covering it with the 
usual Politically Correct creap about all the looking up of 
stuff you've done.  I am the only person in this newsgroup whio 
ever actualy cites swources rather than just talking about how 
educated I am as a PC.
       You're wrong, but I don't tthink you're smart enough to 
know it: "There's nothing  dumber than a dumb man who thinbks 
he's smart."  You and Bruce Parsons, PhD make an appropriate 
pair.




>>
>>>>
>>>>The 15th Amendment closed this loophole by explicitly granting the
>>>>right to vote to ex-slaves.  (Also women are no longer excluded from
>>>>voting by the US Constitution due to this amendment, although it is
>>>>not until the 19th is ratified in 1920 that women's suffrage is made
>>>>(pardon) mandatory.)
>>>>
>>>>So the short answer is that a loophole in the 14th was closed in the
>>>>15th.
>>>>
>>>>Now what, in your view, does the 14th amendment require, if not the
>>>>"treatment of everybody equally regardless of race"?
>>>>
>>>>Bob, you may or may not be a Nazi.  Frankly you rarely post anything
>>>>of substance, hardly ever produce any verifiable facts, routinely call
>>>>names as the sum total of your argument, and make extravagant claims
>>>>of supposed credentials that impress no-one.  You make nonsensical
>>>>claims about history, pretend to a knowledge of biology that upon
>>>>examination is feigned, and like to spice your arguments with specious
>>>>bits of economic jargon.
>>>
>>>I concur. He is obviously a frustrated, poorly educated, and
>>>unintelligent man.
>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah, and you despise blacks and jews.
>>>>What you are is pretty clear, and clearly you'd fit right into a Nazi
>>>>regime as far as your talents and tactics, but I've seen no evidence
>>>>you follow the tenets of National Socialism or its modern offshoots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>>>>1865: you lost
>>>>1945: you lost
>>>>1996: still losers
>>>
>>>Mr. Lambert,
>>>You hit the nail right on the head.
>>
>>
>




From bwhit@conterra.com Wed May 29 20:34:45 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Separation of Race and State
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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 23 May 1996 23:43:33 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>bparsons@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Parsons, Ph.D. ) wrote:
>>>In <31a499e3.70857696@news.concentric.net> clambert@cris.com (Craig
>>>Lambert) writes: 
>>>>
>>>>On 22 May 1996 19:07:29 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>>>>>>On 19 May 1996 04:50:24 -0400, cat71@aol.com (Cat71) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was going to enumerate the various points in which you are wholly
>>>>>>>incorrect, but that would take far too long.  I will instead simply say,
>>>>>>>that you are a lying sack of shit, and that if you'd care to atually cite
>>>>>>>the case you claim exist, I'll be more than happy to debate you on
>>>>>>>them. Also apparently, you have never heard of the 13th and 14th
>>>>>>>amendments. Try reading them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim Dugan
>>>>>>Being exposed as a liar, fraud and idiot is of no matter to
>>>>>>Civil/Sybil.  Its world is hermetically sealed, except for a
>>>>>>phoneline connecting to the internet and the Enclyclopedia Brittanica online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>>>Predestination: its not just dogma, its the law.
>>>>>>Or will be, someday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     The PC argument about the 14th amendment has been 
>>>>>regurgitated again, so I'll ask a non-PC question:  if the 14th 
>>>>>amendment required the treatment of everybody equally 
>>>>>regardless of race, why is there a fifteenth amendment.
>>>>>     The answer is "You're an evil Nazi!"
>>>>>
>>>>You question might better have been directed at the previous poster,
>>>>Jim Dugan (Cat71@aol.com) who raised the issue of the two amendments.
>>>>I was making a sardonic comment on Frank/Sybil (civil@inet.com) and
>>>>his unwillingness to respond, for instance to a previous refutation of
>>>>his points I posted on this thread. 
>>>>
>>>>However, in my endless quest to disappoint your expectations, Bob,
>>>>I'll take a stab at answering your question by saying on the face of
>>>>it, it would appear that some States were evading the intent of the
>>>>14th amendment by forbidding citizens, apparently ex-slaves, from
>>>>voting on some grounds connected with their previous condition of
>>>>servitude, despite "all persons born or naturalized in the United
>>>>States" having been granted equal status as US citizens in the 14th.
>>
>>   BULLSHIT!   Why don't you read the damned amendment?  The 
>>fourteenth amendment has a provision in it that states which 
>>deny voting to non-whites lost representation accordingly.  
>>They knew about that and provided for it.
>I did and have read it.  If you knew your American history, you'd know
>that that and much stronger measures failed to win most blacks the
>actual, effective right to vote in the south.  Methods used included
>Grandfather clauses, Poll taxes, whites-only primaries, selectively
>applied literacy tests, and other means.
>
>I've put together a list of the court cases, Constitutional
>Amendments, and Civil Rights and Voting acts required EVEN AFTER the
>15th Amendment was passed, and the 15th Amendment CLEARLY requires and
>intends to require that blacks be given the vote.  The ingenuity
>expended in the south in dodging the 15th and subsequent laws and
>court decisions is both impressive and depressing.  Keeping blacks
>from voting has clearly long been a priority in the south, XIV and XV
>Amendments notwithstanding.
>
>Anyway, if you want to see the cases & so on, say the word.  Your
>point is absurd in the light of the historical facts.
>
>I don't expect bigots to have much of a grasp of history, or much
>willingness to discuss it honestly.  You "rise" to the occasion once
>again, "Doc".
>
>>  You now say the 
>>states started doing that and therefore they pased the 
>>amendment.  Dead wrong, and, as I say, obvious if you will just 
>>read the fourteenth amendment.
>>
>"Doc, blacks were being denied the right to vote right through the
>1960's.  That's 90 years after the 15th Amendment was passed.  Yet you
>in your wisdom say the 14th was sufficient.  Bullshit back to you.


    YOU SIMPLY CANNOT READ!

     You said the fifteenth amendment weas passed becauwse they 
were caught by surprise after the fourteenth because balcks 
were not allowed to ovte.  I said bullshit, they knew very well 
states would deny blacks the right to vote, as a READING, 
repeat READING of the amendment will show.     You then changed 
your arguemtn and said they tried to keep baclsk from voitng 
fate the fifteenth amendment.  Like your informing me of the 
twentieth amendment, I reallly didn't need that, nor does any 
literate person.
     What you said was that they passed the fifteenth amendment 
because they thought the fourteenth gave blacks the right to 
vote.  That is wrong.  The fourteenth amendment, as it states, 
was not intended to give blacks equal rights, it simply gave 
them equal protection, a very different thing.
     You said something stupid, and you're covering it with the 
usual Politically Correct creap about all the looking up of 
stuff you've done.  I am the only person in this newsgroup whio 
ever actualy cites swources rather than just talking about how 
educated I am as a PC.
       You're wrong, but I don't tthink you're smart enough to 
know it: "There's nothing  dumber than a dumb man who thinbks 
he's smart."  You and Bruce Parsons, PhD make an appropriate 
pair.




>>
>>>>
>>>>The 15th Amendment closed this loophole by explicitly granting the
>>>>right to vote to ex-slaves.  (Also women are no longer excluded from
>>>>voting by the US Constitution due to this amendment, although it is
>>>>not until the 19th is ratified in 1920 that women's suffrage is made
>>>>(pardon) mandatory.)
>>>>
>>>>So the short answer is that a loophole in the 14th was closed in the
>>>>15th.
>>>>
>>>>Now what, in your view, does the 14th amendment require, if not the
>>>>"treatment of everybody equally regardless of race"?
>>>>
>>>>Bob, you may or may not be a Nazi.  Frankly you rarely post anything
>>>>of substance, hardly ever produce any verifiable facts, routinely call
>>>>names as the sum total of your argument, and make extravagant claims
>>>>of supposed credentials that impress no-one.  You make nonsensical
>>>>claims about history, pretend to a knowledge of biology that upon
>>>>examination is feigned, and like to spice your arguments with specious
>>>>bits of economic jargon.
>>>
>>>I concur. He is obviously a frustrated, poorly educated, and
>>>unintelligent man.
>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah, and you despise blacks and jews.
>>>>What you are is pretty clear, and clearly you'd fit right into a Nazi
>>>>regime as far as your talents and tactics, but I've seen no evidence
>>>>you follow the tenets of National Socialism or its modern offshoots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>>>>1865: you lost
>>>>1945: you lost
>>>>1996: still losers
>>>
>>>Mr. Lambert,
>>>You hit the nail right on the head.
>>
>>
>




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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,alt.politics.white-power
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clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>On 23 May 1996 23:43:33 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>bparsons@ix.netcom.com(Bruce Parsons, Ph.D. ) wrote:
>>>In <31a499e3.70857696@news.concentric.net> clambert@cris.com (Craig
>>>Lambert) writes: 
>>>>
>>>>On 22 May 1996 19:07:29 GMT, bob whitaker  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) wrote:
>>>>>>On 19 May 1996 04:50:24 -0400, cat71@aol.com (Cat71) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was going to enumerate the various points in which you are wholly
>>>>>>>incorrect, but that would take far too long.  I will instead simply say,
>>>>>>>that you are a lying sack of shit, and that if you'd care to atually cite
>>>>>>>the case you claim exist, I'll be more than happy to debate you on
>>>>>>>them. Also apparently, you have never heard of the 13th and 14th
>>>>>>>amendments. Try reading them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jim Dugan
>>>>>>Being exposed as a liar, fraud and idiot is of no matter to
>>>>>>Civil/Sybil.  Its world is hermetically sealed, except for a
>>>>>>phoneline connecting to the internet and the Enclyclopedia Brittanica online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>>>Predestination: its not just dogma, its the law.
>>>>>>Or will be, someday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     The PC argument about the 14th amendment has been 
>>>>>regurgitated again, so I'll ask a non-PC question:  if the 14th 
>>>>>amendment required the treatment of everybody equally 
>>>>>regardless of race, why is there a fifteenth amendment.
>>>>>     The answer is "You're an evil Nazi!"
>>>>>
>>>>You question might better have been directed at the previous poster,
>>>>Jim Dugan (Cat71@aol.com) who raised the issue of the two amendments.
>>>>I was making a sardonic comment on Frank/Sybil (civil@inet.com) and
>>>>his unwillingness to respond, for instance to a previous refutation of
>>>>his points I posted on this thread. 
>>>>
>>>>However, in my endless quest to disappoint your expectations, Bob,
>>>>I'll take a stab at answering your question by saying on the face of
>>>>it, it would appear that some States were evading the intent of the
>>>>14th amendment by forbidding citizens, apparently ex-slaves, from
>>>>voting on some grounds connected with their previous condition of
>>>>servitude, despite "all persons born or naturalized in the United
>>>>States" having been granted equal status as US citizens in the 14th.
>>
>>   BULLSHIT!   Why don't you read the damned amendment?  The 
>>fourteenth amendment has a provision in it that states which 
>>deny voting to non-whites lost representation accordingly.  
>>They knew about that and provided for it.
>I did and have read it.  If you knew your American history, you'd know
>that that and much stronger measures failed to win most blacks the
>actual, effective right to vote in the south.  Methods used included
>Grandfather clauses, Poll taxes, whites-only primaries, selectively
>applied literacy tests, and other means.
>
>I've put together a list of the court cases, Constitutional
>Amendments, and Civil Rights and Voting acts required EVEN AFTER the
>15th Amendment was passed, and the 15th Amendment CLEARLY requires and
>intends to require that blacks be given the vote.  The ingenuity
>expended in the south in dodging the 15th and subsequent laws and
>court decisions is both impressive and depressing.  Keeping blacks
>from voting has clearly long been a priority in the south, XIV and XV
>Amendments notwithstanding.
>
>Anyway, if you want to see the cases & so on, say the word.  Your
>point is absurd in the light of the historical facts.
>
>I don't expect bigots to have much of a grasp of history, or much
>willingness to discuss it honestly.  You "rise" to the occasion once
>again, "Doc".
>
>>  You now say the 
>>states started doing that and therefore they pased the 
>>amendment.  Dead wrong, and, as I say, obvious if you will just 
>>read the fourteenth amendment.
>>
>"Doc, blacks were being denied the right to vote right through the
>1960's.  That's 90 years after the 15th Amendment was passed.  Yet you
>in your wisdom say the 14th was sufficient.  Bullshit back to you.


    YOU SIMPLY CANNOT READ!

     You said the fifteenth amendment weas passed becauwse they 
were caught by surprise after the fourteenth because balcks 
were not allowed to ovte.  I said bullshit, they knew very well 
states would deny blacks the right to vote, as a READING, 
repeat READING of the amendment will show.     You then changed 
your arguemtn and said they tried to keep baclsk from voitng 
fate the fifteenth amendment.  Like your informing me of the 
twentieth amendment, I reallly didn't need that, nor does any 
literate person.
     What you said was that they passed the fifteenth amendment 
because they thought the fourteenth gave blacks the right to 
vote.  That is wrong.  The fourteenth amendment, as it states, 
was not intended to give blacks equal rights, it simply gave 
them equal protection, a very different thing.
     You said something stupid, and you're covering it with the 
usual Politically Correct creap about all the looking up of 
stuff you've done.  I am the only person in this newsgroup whio 
ever actualy cites swources rather than just talking about how 
educated I am as a PC.
       You're wrong, but I don't tthink you're smart enough to 
know it: "There's nothing  dumber than a dumb man who thinbks 
he's smart."  You and Bruce Parsons, PhD make an appropriate 
pair.




>>
>>>>
>>>>The 15th Amendment closed this loophole by explicitly granting the
>>>>right to vote to ex-slaves.  (Also women are no longer excluded from
>>>>voting by the US Constitution due to this amendment, although it is
>>>>not until the 19th is ratified in 1920 that women's suffrage is made
>>>>(pardon) mandatory.)
>>>>
>>>>So the short answer is that a loophole in the 14th was closed in the
>>>>15th.
>>>>
>>>>Now what, in your view, does the 14th amendment require, if not the
>>>>"treatment of everybody equally regardless of race"?
>>>>
>>>>Bob, you may or may not be a Nazi.  Frankly you rarely post anything
>>>>of substance, hardly ever produce any verifiable facts, routinely call
>>>>names as the sum total of your argument, and make extravagant claims
>>>>of supposed credentials that impress no-one.  You make nonsensical
>>>>claims about history, pretend to a knowledge of biology that upon
>>>>examination is feigned, and like to spice your arguments with specious
>>>>bits of economic jargon.
>>>
>>>I concur. He is obviously a frustrated, poorly educated, and
>>>unintelligent man.
>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah, and you despise blacks and jews.
>>>>What you are is pretty clear, and clearly you'd fit right into a Nazi
>>>>regime as far as your talents and tactics, but I've seen no evidence
>>>>you follow the tenets of National Socialism or its modern offshoots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Craig Lambert
>>>>White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, Klannies, Aryans, Racist Skins et al:
>>>>1865: you lost
>>>>1945: you lost
>>>>1996: still losers
>>>
>>>Mr. Lambert,
>>>You hit the nail right on the head.
>>
>>
>




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rag@airmail.net (Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon) wrote:
>Paul Peitzmeier  wrote:
>
>>> Child molestors don't need reasons, and porn is a common excuse (one
>>> that fails commonly, might I add).  If you don't want your kids to
>>> find porn, police them, don't police me.
>
>>Just like children not knowing the difference between right and wrong, 
>>rules and laws must be put in place and enforced until you can show that 
>>you can act responsibly on your own.  Support the laws and demand 
>>quicker enforcement.
>
>>until the Nightly News has all Good news.
>
>I'm sorry, I thought I was innocent until proven guilty in this
>country.

     Not victims.


  Silly me.
>
>
>Kestrel
>The Fairly Decent Dragon
>


Love the name.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu May 30 08:04:48 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: 'pure' races would become inbred
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>>>   About the great apes, there is no evidence that we cannot 
>>>>interbreed with them.  I am sure that twenty Bruce Parsons, PhD 
>>>>can be called on to declare authoritiatively that such 
>>>>interbreeding is or is not possible, depending on which side 
>>>>says what, but in fact we simply have no experimental evidence.

    Younow proceed below to list a set of Bruce Parsons, PhDs 
to give as Authorities.  You can get any number you want to say 
whatever you want for a PC psotiion.  I have often heard PhDs 
in bilogy take two diametricaly opposed psotiions on different 
days when called upon to do so for political orthodoxy.


>>>What was your point in introducing great apes into the discussion
>>>of the human gene pool, Mr. Whitaker?  Your train of thought, if
>>>I may call it that, is very difficult to follow.
>
>>>>    As to alleles and breeding the master race, when you are 
>>>>speaking of a gene pool, it is like anything else in life, 
>>>>there is inbreeding and there is crossbredding to the point 
>>>>where one is not suited to the environment.  Black skin died in 
>>>>Sweden, white skin dies in Nigeria.  It is a matter 
>>>>experimentation and return on it.
>
>>>You appear to be making the error of equating selective breeding
>>>with natural evolutionary forces.  Selective breeding *reduces*
>>>genetic variation in order to promote particular desired
>>>characteristics.  But in nature, genetic variation - the *number*
>>>of alleles, or different variants of a gene - is *not* reduced; 
>>>rather the relative *predominance* of alleles changes.  
>
>>>The term "cross-breeding" is not appropriate within the human
>>>species, because the genetic differences *between* the groups most 
>>>folks call "races" are less that the differences between 
>>>populations *within* such groups. 
>
>>     Some 97% percent of great ape genes are likewise the same.
>>You simply cannot seem to understand that something is not true 
>>simply because you announce that it is Politically Correct.  
>>Your annouincement that when races are mixed it isn't to be 
>>called interbreding is not new, nor does it carry any 
>>authority.
>
>I am aware that the human species shares a great deal of genetic
>material with the great apes.  The figure cited in one source
>for the human-chimpanzee relationship is closer to 99% (T.D. Price
>and G.M. Feinman, 1994, Images of the Past.  Mayfield Publishers).
>
>Gee, Mr. Whitaker, I *know* that things are not true just because
>I say so.  That's why I read, and study, and think.  You seem to
>be confusing me with Herr Griswold, who has never backed up a 
>single assertion he has made.
>
>Since you seem to think that my statement that "interracial
>marriage" among humans does *not* constitute the sort of 
>interbreeding that biologists would call hybridisation is 
>nothing more than the figment of a "politically correct",
>"lib" imagination, let me provide you with the names of a
>few of the many human biologists who all agree on the following
>point:
>
>(1) all living humans of whatever "race" belong to a single
>*subspecies*:  Homo sapiens sapiens.
>
>A *small* sample of human biologists who agree with this
>statement includes L.L. Cavalli-Sforza, J. Marks, G. Harrison,
>C. Jolly, D. Gentry Steele, D. Ubelaker, A. Weiss, R. Jurmain,
>H. Nelson, W. Turnbaugh, E.J.E. Szathmary, S. Molnar.  One could
>add to this a large number of palaeoanthropologists, as well.
>Would you like some names here, too?
 
    More ;like thousands.  No academic who wanted to keep his 
job would dare dispute this proposition, and you know it.
 
>
>Now please note here, Mr. Whitaker, that hybridisation is the
>result of reproduction *among* subspecific *variants* of a 
>species.  Since all humans are members of a single subspecies, 
>the concept of hybridisation to describe resultant offspring of
>any human mating is inappropriate.

   None of this helps demonstrate your collective propositiuon 
that a single race of several hundred milion people constitutes 
inbreeding.  This is still your group project, and it's too 
silly for grownups to deal with seriously.


>
>[edited for brevity]
>
>>>I do not think a cross 
>>>>betweeen man and monkey, which the Japanese apparently did 
>>>>discuss a decade or so ago, would be a good idea for the 
>>>>man-monkey or for society in general.
>
>>>What is your point with this?  Monkeys are a different and much 
>>>more distantly related group of primates than are the great apes.
>>>I have no idea why you introduced the "idea" of interspecific
>>>breeding within the family of primates, and what point you may
>>>be attempting to make with this rather strange red herring.
> 
>>>>    Now according to your orthodoxy, no race is better adapted 
>>>>than any other today for anything.  There are literally 
>>>>hundreds of thousands of John Doe, PhDs who  wil testify to 
>>>>this.  You can also see them lining up in the 1950's to swear 
>>>>Stalinism was just "liberalism in a hurry".  Once again, Oliver 
>>>>Hardy spoke a very important truth: "There is nothing dumber 
>>>>than a dumb man who thinks he's smart."  Someone whose 
>>>>ignorance is justified by PC is truly hopeless. the well known 
>>>>"ignorance of the intellectual". 
>
>>>Do tell me what you have divined my "orthodoxy" to constitute,
>>>since such a vague and nebulous remark is impossible to 
>>>respond to.
>
>>   What I mean by "orthodoxy" is this.  Several of you have 
>>told me how boring I am in comparison with Grisworld.  You tell 
>>Griswold much the same thing, of course.  But the point is, it 
>>isn't difficult to tell it is me who is doing the writing.  In 
>>your case, I honestly do not believe anyone could tell whether 
>>it was you, Little Beaver, aka, evilBeavis, Caesar the 
>>Rreverend Sister, or some other of your group who was doing the 
>>writing without looking at the signature below.  I am talking 
>>to an intellectual blob, and it's tiresome.
>
>Here you go again with the "several of you" routine.  From my
>own perspective, Herr Griswold's bluster about the "evils of
>miscegenation", those wily Joooos and their ZOG conspiracy,
>and his constant litany of hate about anyone who is not "white"
>is indeed tiresome.

   But I don't say any of that.  Youc an tell who's writing 
without my signature.


  So too is his refusal and/or inability to
>answer questions, or to ever provide sources for his so-called
>"facts".  I think that it is worth a shred of bandwidth to
>point out his lies, distortions and evasions.  
>
>Now we can add to the string of ad hominems you have for the
>"lib clones" "intellectual blob".  My how enlightening.
>
>>    Take this string, for instance.  The title says that if a 
>>race is not mixed it is inbred.   That's silly.  It says that a 
>> gene pool of hundreds of millions is inbred.   I don't 
>>remember which of you started this nonsense because it is a 
>>standard argument you foks put out and then back off of in the 
>>few instances where an open challenge cannot be prevented, eg, 
>>off campus and out of the general media.
>
>You haven't been here very long if you actually think that the
>title of a string necessarily has anything to do with its content.
>
>As I recall, I was not the one to introduce into this string
>inaccurate and undefined phrases like "stable genotype" to 
>describe the presumed outcome of Herr Griswold's programme of
>eugenics and selective breeding.  Nor was I the one who
>introduced the inaccurate and biologically inappropriate
>concept of "hybridisation" to describe the outcome of 
>"miscegenation" among members of the human species who have
>skin of varying colours.


    Nontheless, you are still arguing the same dumb proposition 
your idiot colleague started.  Wiggle your toes or be accepted 
as one more intellectual corpse.


>>     That is the position you are now arguing.  If not, please 
>>start a new string and tell me what you are saying.
>
>I've told you what I'm saying.  Try reading it again.
>
>[edit]
>
>
      Well, you've told me all sorts of things to prove that a 
single race means inbreeding, none of it relevant.
       The white race has more members than the entire human 
race ever had before about 1700.  If whites marrying whites 
constitutes inbreeding, the human race is a product of 
inbreeding.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu May 30 08:04:48 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Liberals Will Be Killed in The Coming American Civil War Two
Date: 30 May 1996 03:21:20 GMT
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>   Good old Caesar, predictable as always.  His two-line 
>>response is to a long article complete with references, some of 
>>them on-line.  The Caesars and Anonymou s and Little Beaver and 
>>Finsten and Reverend Sister group always ask for statistics and 
>>references, but never give any.  They ask for definitions, and 
>>never give any.  Finsten just bragged that she hadn't heard 
>>about anational-known academic scandal.  She seems to think 
>>that'll show me.  She also tells us constantly how muchg she 
>>reads and how she's up with things.   If you're Politically 
>>Correct, you're used to getting away with that sort of thing.
>
>
>Bragged, Mr. Whitaker?  I merely stated that I had not heard of 
>it.  Perhaps I haven't heard of it because the "national-known
>academic scandal" occurred in a nation other than the one in 
>which I live.
>
>I went to the library yesterday afternoon and took "The New
>Right Papers" off the shelf.  I read your introduction to the
>book, and skimmed your brief contribution as well.  Funny, it
>is the first time I have seen an "academic" book with papers
>that had not a single citation or footnote with references.
>
>
     I told you who I was by personal email because you were 
actually putting forward some effort to find out and were 
showing interest.  Your announcement of it is not appreciated, 
but was to be expected.  A sense of honor is too old-fashioned 
for you PC types.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu May 30 08:23:57 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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rag@airmail.net (Kestrel the Fairly Decent Dragon) wrote:
>Paul Peitzmeier  wrote:
>
>>> Child molestors don't need reasons, and porn is a common excuse (one
>>> that fails commonly, might I add).  If you don't want your kids to
>>> find porn, police them, don't police me.
>
>>Just like children not knowing the difference between right and wrong, 
>>rules and laws must be put in place and enforced until you can show that 
>>you can act responsibly on your own.  Support the laws and demand 
>>quicker enforcement.
>
>>until the Nightly News has all Good news.
>
>I'm sorry, I thought I was innocent until proven guilty in this
>country.

     Not victims.


  Silly me.
>
>
>Kestrel
>The Fairly Decent Dragon
>


Love the name.



From bwhit@conterra.com Thu May 30 13:16:16 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
Date: 29 May 1996 19:27:20 GMT
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>>>bob whitaker  wrote:
>
>>>>   There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>>>>others, we took it from them. 
>
>>>Who did they take it from, Mr. Whitaker?  Funny stance for 
>>>an anti-immigrationist.
>
>
>>Not at all.  It's simple realism.  Your crowd's position is, as 
>>usual, straight Orwellian Doublethink:
>
>>!)   White Americans' forebears were Evil land takers and 
>>killers without an ounce of Idealism and so we should be 
>>overrun and have no right to be here;
>>and:
>
>>2) White Americans' forebears were total and complete Idealists 
>>who wanted everybody on earth to have America, just pour on in, 
>> they said.
>
>>    The fact is we took it from those who took it, as did every 
>>other people on every other piece of ground on earth.  It is up 
>>to us to hold it, and includes keeping immigration down to 
>>where it strictly helps US.
>
>Let's try that one more time, Mr. Whitaker.  The question was:
>Who did they [Native Americans] take it [the land of the Americas]
>from?  Hints:  more blustering crap about "my crowd's position"
>is irrelevant here.  This has nothing to do with Orwellian or
>any other kind of "Doublethink".  This is a simple, straight-
>forward empirical question.  Now think about it and see if you
>can do better the second time.
>
>

     Good God, you're dense!   One group of what you call 
Native Americans ten thousand years ago was driven out by 
another group of what you call Native Americans, who in turn 
were driven out by another group of what you call Native 
Americans.  
     Your so-called Native Americans is an invention to push 
white guilt.  There is no such thing as a group one could call 
Native Americans.
       Caesar couldn't understand this either.  I guess the old 
"DUHH!" argument is pretty deeply embedded in your 
indoctrination, eh?



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Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
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Laura Finsten  wrote:
>bob whitaker  wrote:
>>Caesar  wrote:
>>>In article <4od708$fpe@molokini.conterra.com>
>>>           bwhit@conterra.com "bob whitaker" writes:
>
>>>>    There are no Native Americans, twit.  They took it from 
>>>> others, we took it from them. 
>
>>>Who did the Native Americans take the land from then?
>
>[edit]
>
>>     It's hopeless with Caesar, but for the benefit of you who 
>>can read, I will repeat what I have said several times here:  
>>There is no such thing as a Native America.  There were waves 
>>of diffferent groups, each pushing the next southward.  Some of 
>>them are in freezing Tierra del Fuego, where they have actually 
>>evolved a high metabolism to deal with the hideous conditions 
>>by generating internal heat.  They came in through what is now 
>>the US many thousands of years ago,a ndt ehy would not be in 
>>that hellish place if they had not been driven south by a group 
>>which was driven south by the next group which was driven south 
>>by the next group.
>
>Well, I'll see if I can get my poor paralysed brain around this
>bit of brilliant enlightenment and ask a couple of questions for
>clarification and elaboration.
>
>What is the evidence to support your contention that the
>indigenous inhabitants of Tierra del Fuego were forcibly driven
>into that territory?  And who did *they* steal the land from,
>Mr. Whitaker?

     No, they just floated over from Asia on a raft.
    
>What were the climatic conditions at the time that people first
>occupied Tierra del Fuego?

    Learn to read and look it up.

>Let us take another example, though, to try to make this more
>relevant to the discussion of North America.  What is the 
>evidence to suggest that those indigenous people inhabiting
>California at the time of the Spanish conquest had not been
>there many thousands of years, some of them, at least, probably
>since the first human occupation of that area?

     For once in your miserable lives, why don't one of you 
Politically Correct types stop talking about how you have 
thousands of unspecified facts and actually go look something 
up for yourself?

>By extension and/or analogy, are their no "real" Europeans?
>One might describe much of northern and western Europe as a
>pretty hostile and unpleasant climate, certainly no better
>than Tierra del Fuego. 

   As every literate person who has not committed PC mental 
suicide knows, there is no Native anything.   It was a concept 
invented to give you  anti-whites something to shriek about, 
and you can be trusted not to think it over.   Nobody evolved 
>from  ooze to humanity on the ground he now occupies.  You 
really have to be sincerely brain-dead not to know THAT.
    Immigration created every nation, immigration destroys 
every nation.  Which shows how brain-dead a people have to be 
to accept the cliche, "A Nation of Immigrants" as if it meant 
anything.


 So would this then mean that Europeans,
>Airyens, if you like, are a miserable, hopeless folk who
>had to settle for a crummy, cold climate because they got
>driven out of better climes by a "superior" folk?


    Actually, whites have the least natural protection against 
the weather conditions, no eye folds, no generalized horned 
skin, no costly sickle cell protection against malaria.  One 
concludes that they have consistently evolved in congenial 
territory.  Europe is very good compared to the rest of the 
world.   The Basques one group that was driven out.
     You didn't understand a word of that, did you?


>>    Apparently, from the fact that I have been asked this 
>>several times in this string, these poor brain-paralyzed 
>>Poltiically Correct types actually can't assimilate a concept 
>>that complicated.
>
>Is ad hominem attack your specialty, Mr. Whitaker?
>
>
       It was ad hominem.  It was descriptive and, as your 
reply shows, predictive. 



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From: bob whitaker 
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    Reverend Sister, I am afraid that writing so you would 
understand it wold be a challenge that is beyond me.  Pc is not 
my language of choice.



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From: bob whitaker 
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    You are usingthe old tactic of throwing everything 
including the kitchen sink at the simple fact taht everything 
you h ave said was wrong..
   You said there was no law against anti-semitism under 
Stalin.  You were wrong, so you shout that I am evil for saying 
it.
   You said the fourteenth amendment was passed to give balcks 
equal rights, including the right to vote.  You were wrong, as 
anyone who reads the amendment knows.  Your shouts about blacks 
being denied the nvote later has nothing to do with the crap 
you stated which was simply nonsense.
   You're shouting, which works fine if you have the 
establishment behind you and no one is allowed to talk back.  
But this is the internet, and it won't work.



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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <4ofmr5$b7b@molokini.conterra.com>
>           bwhit@conterra.com "bob whitaker" writes:
>
>> jholley@galaxy.galstar.com (Patrick Holley) wrote:
>> >Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) wrote:
>> >: flash@flash.net wrote:
>> >: : >"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing
>>  about
>> >: : >in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races
>>  - that
>> >: : >I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of
>>  negroes, nor
>> >: : >of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people;
>>  and I will
>> >: : >say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the
>>  white and
>> >: : >black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living
>>  together on
>> >: : >terms of social and political equality." 
>> >: : >
>> >: : >Abraham Lincoln, Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858 
>> >
>> >: : Point please.
>> >
>> >: Abe Lincoln was not the "Great Emancipator" that people make him to be.
>> >: He only signed the Emancipation Proclamation to scare the rebs into re-
>> >: joining the Union.  He said "If I can keep the Union without freeing
>> >: one slave, I would do it" or something similar to that.  However, he
>> >: did see the way that the Black soldiers fought the Civil War and decided
>> >: to offer them 40 acres and a mule.  He still did not believe in the
>> >: racial equality that we believe in now; he wanted them to go back to Af-
>> >: rica.  If I were living in that era, I would be lynched faster than you
>> >: can say Radical Republican (back then the Republicans were the liberal
>> >: party.)
>> >
>> >Lincoln signed the Emacipation proclamation to keep Europe from
>> >joining and/or helping the South during the war. he was against
>> >slavery from the beginning (that's why the South threatened to leave if 
>> >he was elected), but if it took keeping slavery to end the war and
>> >reform the union, he would accept it.
>> 
>>     You folks always talk about looking things up and reading 
>> things, but you never do.  Read the Repulican platform of 1860. 
>>  It practically went nuts insisting that it was NOT against 
>> slavery itself, but merely its expansion into the West, and 
>> reiterated its support of the Fugitive Slave Act.
>
>
>However, it seems the Republican platform wasn't believed by
>the South, otherwise they wouldn't have seceeded, would they?
>
    God, You're so DENSE!  Ther South was *for* the expansion 
of slavery.


>>      
>>     
>>   
>> >
>> >: --
>> >: Brendan John Francis Scallon    When it comes to the net, I'm
>> >: scallon@pyrotechnics.com     similar to the thrilla in Manila
>> >: Race: Other__Celtic__    http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~scallon
>> >: "Greener than a trillion rainforests"              -C'est moi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>from Caesar
>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
>"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero
>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>"Apathy is the greatest enemy of democracy" - Anon
>---------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Thu May 30 15:30:02 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Abraham Lincoln was a "Racist"?
Date: 29 May 1996 20:55:56 GMT
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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <4ofmr5$b7b@molokini.conterra.com>
>           bwhit@conterra.com "bob whitaker" writes:
>
>> jholley@galaxy.galstar.com (Patrick Holley) wrote:
>> >Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) wrote:
>> >: flash@flash.net wrote:
>> >: : >"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing
>>  about
>> >: : >in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races
>>  - that
>> >: : >I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of
>>  negroes, nor
>> >: : >of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people;
>>  and I will
>> >: : >say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the
>>  white and
>> >: : >black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living
>>  together on
>> >: : >terms of social and political equality." 
>> >: : >
>> >: : >Abraham Lincoln, Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858 
>> >
>> >: : Point please.
>> >
>> >: Abe Lincoln was not the "Great Emancipator" that people make him to be.
>> >: He only signed the Emancipation Proclamation to scare the rebs into re-
>> >: joining the Union.  He said "If I can keep the Union without freeing
>> >: one slave, I would do it" or something similar to that.  However, he
>> >: did see the way that the Black soldiers fought the Civil War and decided
>> >: to offer them 40 acres and a mule.  He still did not believe in the
>> >: racial equality that we believe in now; he wanted them to go back to Af-
>> >: rica.  If I were living in that era, I would be lynched faster than you
>> >: can say Radical Republican (back then the Republicans were the liberal
>> >: party.)
>> >
>> >Lincoln signed the Emacipation proclamation to keep Europe from
>> >joining and/or helping the South during the war. he was against
>> >slavery from the beginning (that's why the South threatened to leave if 
>> >he was elected), but if it took keeping slavery to end the war and
>> >reform the union, he would accept it.
>> 
>>     You folks always talk about looking things up and reading 
>> things, but you never do.  Read the Repulican platform of 1860. 
>>  It practically went nuts insisting that it was NOT against 
>> slavery itself, but merely its expansion into the West, and 
>> reiterated its support of the Fugitive Slave Act.
>
>
>However, it seems the Republican platform wasn't believed by
>the South, otherwise they wouldn't have seceeded, would they?
>
    God, You're so DENSE!  Ther South was *for* the expansion 
of slavery.


>>      
>>     
>>   
>> >
>> >: --
>> >: Brendan John Francis Scallon    When it comes to the net, I'm
>> >: scallon@pyrotechnics.com     similar to the thrilla in Manila
>> >: Race: Other__Celtic__    http://www.pyrotechnics.com/~scallon
>> >: "Greener than a trillion rainforests"              -C'est moi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>from Caesar
>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
>"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero
>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>"Apathy is the greatest enemy of democracy" - Anon
>---------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri May 31 07:08:01 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Racial Feelings Are Natural and Good
Date: 30 May 1996 05:39:16 GMT
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  Lack of knowledge, eh?  Well, of course, you would know all 
about it, as you say.



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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Racial Feelings Are Natural and Good
Date: 30 May 1996 21:46:47 GMT
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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <31ABF28D.72E3@ix.netcom.com>
>           ka_strom@ix.netcom.com "Kevin Alfred Strom" writes:
>
>> "Caesar" wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> > Live with the fact that racism is dying.
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> As long as there are races there will be "racism." It is inborn, has an 
>> evolutionary purpose and survival value, and is even present in non-human 
>> species. Racial feelings are about as likely to disappear as are sexual 
>> feelings.
>
>Humans of all skin colours are the *same* species.

   And all academics agree.  Any scientist who didn't a with 
that statement when asked to would be fired on the spot from 
any academic post.  Not only that, but anyone who disagrees 
would be subject to British Hate Laws,
    So it must be true.


>
>> 
>> Actually, racism is good and necessary for the continued branching off of 
>> new types of human beings from the existing stocks. Evolution, so far as 
>> we know, operates primarily by such branching, and racial feelings are an 
>> important part of what keeps the branches apart. At some point, homo 
>> sapiens sapiens refused to breed with the sub-men around him.
>> 
>> Mallards and wood ducks can interbreed, and may even do so under certain 
>> freak conditions, but the mentality of the ducks, even when they live in 
>> the same territory, makes them shun the other type. The branches, once 
>> one, are now separate for all time. Most Whites -- even most liberal 
>> Whites -- instinctively shun Blacks as neighbors, school mates, and bed 
>> mates. This is good and natural and really has nothing at all to do with 
>> the emotion of hate.
>> 
>> Evolution, branching and separation have brought about all the wonderful 
>> diversity of creation that we see around us. It is Nature's way.
>> 
>> With good wishes to all,
>> 
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>from Caesar
>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
>"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero
>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>"Apathy is the greatest enemy of democracy" - Anon
>---------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri May 31 07:08:04 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Genocide 101
Date: 30 May 1996 21:55:33 GMT
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   It has occurred to me that those who wish to destroy a 
people declare two things about that peope: 1) They are the 
root of all evil, and 2) They don't actually exist.  To Hitler, 
the Untermenschen did not exist, except as pure Evil.  To the 
Soviets, everyone was part of their subject world, the world of 
the universal proletariat, and any group outside did not exist 
and was evil. 
    Those who aim to destroy the white race are, foc ourse, the 
clearest kind of example.  They argue taht the white race does 
not exist, so it can be done away with, but that it is the root 
of all evil, so it owed vast reparations.
     Any comments?



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri May 31 07:08:04 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Whites can't be proud or it's racism.
Date: 30 May 1996 21:59:01 GMT
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Caesar  wrote:
>In article <4oiego$4on@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
>           griffenbd@aol.com "Griffenbd" writes:
>
>> In the world today it is ok for the Blacks, Jews, Middle Easterners, and
>> other minorities to be in support of their own causes. For us whites if we
>> want to be proud or to reach for the advancement of our race it is called
>> such things as Naziism of Southern KKK racism when it is not. the legacy
>> of Adolf Hitler has left such a negative conotation, that even to this day
>> it is very difficult to be white and and pro-white. There is no stigma to
>> blacks being pro-black, jewish people being pro-jew.... It is just unfair
>> that we as whites cannot be pround and seek the advancement of our own
>> people with out being labelled a racist. Even to me the word racist is a
>> terrible word. it has been shown that the caucasian race has consistantly
>> been able to acheive more and we cannot be proud. we need to get away from
>> thinking pro-white is alligned with Adolph. Adolph Hitler is the reson we
>> are unable to be proud now. There is a huge stigma and guilt the whites
>> feel and we need to do away with this. Who causes most of the problems in
>> society. We are the worlds largest Homeogeneous society in the world and
>> the Homeogeneousness is the reason for our countries moral decline.
>> 
>
>Its okay to be proud of your culture, but you shouldn't attack
>others of a different culture/skin colour.


   These anti-white clones say that regularly, like a Party 
Line, but all such anti-white white ever say about thir own 
race is pure hatred worthy of Dr. Goebbels on Jews.
>-- 
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>from Caesar
>Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk
>An anti-fascist
>"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero
>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>"Apathy is the greatest enemy of democracy" - Anon
>---------------------------------------------------------------




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri May 31 15:57:25 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Black beauties... (was: Once again, ...)
Date: 30 May 1996 02:55:08 GMT
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    It is kind of interesting to note that PC types, who are so 
worshipful of PhD's and social expertise, never hesitate to 
claim instant expertise in psychiatry when they are faced with 
political opposition.  As soon as someone expresses a 
politically incorrect opinion, they insist that person must be, 
not to put too fine a point on it, insane.
     PC, for all its pretensions to modernity, is the direct 
and legitimate descendant of the Inquisition.   Since PC claims 
to be modern, it cannot openly express its conviction that all 
opposition comes straight from Satan.. Its form of demonization 
is psychiatric:  disagreement can only come from a sickness of 
the soul.
      As usual, those doing the demonizing tell us very little 
about the people they are trying to demonize, but a great deal 
about themselves.  



From bwhit@conterra.com Fri May 31 15:57:27 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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Subject: Re: 'pure' races would become inbred
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   I am not going to talk to someone who says a gene pool of 
several hundred million if inbred.  Period.  Start a new string 
and state your proposition of rfoget it.  I've had it with this 
one.



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Liberals Will Be Killed in The Coming American Civil War Two
Date: 30 May 1996 03:01:52 GMT
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   I did not mention it was originally an academic paper 
because in the real world of serious politics, that would seem 
silly and pretentious.  It has to stand on its own merits.  
Grownups simply do not announce their name swith a PhD 
afterwards.  




From bwhit@conterra.com Fri May 31 16:34:58 PDT 1996
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From: bob whitaker 
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   Once again, you and your clones always say "DUHH! What dat?" 
or else "References!"  But you never give any.  Since 
everything you give is Politically Correct and we're all heard 
it hundreds of time, you assume we accept it.  On the contrary, 
we've heard it hundreds of times and it's simply not true.
   Clone Finsten weas saying that no one publically disagreed 
with a proposition with which public disagreement would cost 
them their jobs.  She is certainly right.   I have heard 
plenty of private disagreement with your assertions, but you, 
like all intellectual authoritarians, impose agreement dn then 
quote that agreement as evidence.  Politically Correct people 
do it, Communists did it, Nazis did it, and so forth.
    I can tell you from personal experience that anyone who is 
not Politically Correct down to his core is going to have an 
almost impossible time getting a PhD, and an even harder time 
getting tenure, in today's academe.  Watch old Lambert.  He 
actually monitored my jokes in alt.tasteless.jokes for 
violations of PC>  That sort of thought policing is standard.  
It would never occur to you or Lambert  that it was creepy.
    Please note that not one of you clones, for all your 
protestations of Free Speech, said a word against Lambert's 
Thought Police work.  (I'll say this for Caesar, at least he 
doesn't claim to be for Free Speech).
    On campus, such Thought Policing of every word for its 
implications is routine.  Damn few people survive the process 
who are not true clones.  



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From: bob whitaker 
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   Is it true that the writer of *The Turner Diaries* has PhD 
in Physics?
    All you PC types seem to think that's terribly important.



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   Yea, right.  Your announcement to the world is very 
convincing.  When you apologized by email I thought you were 
being sincere.  I see you aren't.
    Minimizing personal information is a good idea.  I note 
that none of you clones have objected to Craig Lambert's 
actually censporing alt.tasteless.jokes for violations of 
Political Correctness.  I f someone had told me that would be 
done, even I would have said the idea was paranoid.
    I felt safe in giving personal info to the extent I did 
because you folks always talk about references, but you never 
do any work on it.  I had to give you my exact name for you to 
find me in the library, on the ridiculous assumption that a PC 
person would hide anything from her clones.
     



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Subject: Re: Asian Invasion of England!
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   Good God, you actually did some work.  Excellent!  I still 
don't agree with your thesis that the Americans Indians were 
all that peaceful and lovely and noble and never drove anybody 
out of anywhere.  That's what you need to condemn whites.  But 
I am deeply impressed by your work.
   One Politically Correct gambit is to take things that are 
perfectly true, like the term "race traitor", and say them 
with a sneet. That's agreat tactic for scaring off repectab;le 
conservatives, but I am not a respectable conservative.  The 
label says because it fits.
   The idea I am attacking is that your so-called Native 
Americans -- even you admitted there weere at least three waves 
of them, and I think more -- were very careful only to tak land 
which was uninhabitted, so whitey is uniquely evil.  Your point 
that not all of them were driven to where they went was a good 
one.  I didn't realize Tierra del Fuego was ever a 
semi-tropical paradise.  Unlike PC's, I learn a lot by being 
wrong and admitting it.
   There is one thing you said in an earlier note that I would 
like to refute, though I usually don't respong to personal 
attacks.  You said I don't have the courage to say what I say 
here in print. Actually I have said it all in print. The only 
exception would be things I can't publish.  I have also lied  
about my position in poltical writing a number of times.  
Others would call it stretching the truth, but I consider any 
intentional misstatemetn of fact to be a lie.   In politics, 
only Politically Correct people ever absolutely never lie, 
right?
    Good job!




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