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From jtoth@infobahnos.com Fri Nov  1 14:05:03 PST 1996
Article: 78140 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Virus Information from HipCat - this is NOT a virus!
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 19:02:28 GMT
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HipCat  wrote:

>This was e-mailed to me, and I wanted to pass it along.  Some old info
>(good times), but some new as well:

>IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT TWO MORE VIRUSES

> - READ NOW!!!

><1>  Please take note of this Internet virus.

>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If
>you receive an email message with the subject line "Good  Times",

>DO NOT  read the message, DELETE it immediately.

>Please read the messages below.

>Some miscreant is sending  email under the title "Good Times"
>nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It
>has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it.
> Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about.

>The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major
>importance to any regular user  of the Internet. Apparently a new
>computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that
>is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known
>viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in
>comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped
>mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the
>fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be
>infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the
>Internet.

>Once a Computer is infected, one of  several things can  happen. If the
>computer contains a hard drive, that  will most likely be destroyed. If
>the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in
>an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the
>processor if left running that way too long.

>Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is
>happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of
>detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always
>travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with the
>subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the
>file has been received simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the
>file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times"
>mainline program to
>initialize and execute.

>The program is highly intelligent- it will  send copies of itself to
>everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a
>sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the
>computer it is running on.

>The bottom line is:  - if you receive a file with the subject line
>"Good Times", delete it  immediately! Do not read it"  Rest assured
>that whoever's name was on the  "From" line was surely struck by the
>virus.  Warn your friends and  local system users of this newest threat
>to the Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money.


><2> DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION

>We work closely with the military and received this message from a very
>reliable source in DC this morning.

>A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the internet with the name
>PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a
>new version of the PKZIP software used to "ZIP" (compress) files.

>DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file under any circumstances!!! If you install or
>expand this file, the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect
>modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive virus and
>there is NOT yet a way of cleaning up this one.

>REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE
>EXTENSION.



>-- 
>Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/




From jtoth@infobahnos.com Fri Nov  1 16:38:53 PST 1996
Article: 78159 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Virus Information from HipCat - this is NOT a virus!
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 19:00:54 GMT
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HipCat  wrote:

>This was e-mailed to me, and I wanted to pass it along.  Some old info
>(good times), but some new as well:

>IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT TWO MORE VIRUSES

> - READ NOW!!!

><1>  Please take note of this Internet virus.

>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If
>you receive an email message with the subject line "Good  Times",

>DO NOT  read the message, DELETE it immediately.

>Please read the messages below.

>Some miscreant is sending  email under the title "Good Times"
>nationwide, if you get anything like this, DON'T DOWN LOAD THE FILE! It
>has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on it.
> Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about.

>The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major
>importance to any regular user  of the Internet. Apparently a new
>computer virus has been engineered by a user of AMERICA ON LINE that
>is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other more well-known
>viruses such as "Stoned", "Airwolf" and "Michaelangelo" pale in
>comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped
>mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the
>fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be
>infected. It can be spread through the existing email systems of the
>Internet.

>Once a Computer is infected, one of  several things can  happen. If the
>computer contains a hard drive, that  will most likely be destroyed. If
>the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in
>an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the
>processor if left running that way too long.

>Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is
>happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of
>detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always
>travels to new computers the same way in a text email message with the
>subject line reading "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the
>file has been received simply by NOT READING IT! The act of loading the
>file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times"
>mainline program to
>initialize and execute.

>The program is highly intelligent- it will  send copies of itself to
>everyone whose email address is contained in a receive-mail file or a
>sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the
>computer it is running on.

>The bottom line is:  - if you receive a file with the subject line
>"Good Times", delete it  immediately! Do not read it"  Rest assured
>that whoever's name was on the  "From" line was surely struck by the
>virus.  Warn your friends and  local system users of this newest threat
>to the Internet! It could save them a lot of time and money.


><2> DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE EXTENSION

>We work closely with the military and received this message from a very
>reliable source in DC this morning.

>A NEW Trojan Horse Virus has emerged on the internet with the name
>PKZIP300.ZIP, so named as to give the impression that this file is a
>new version of the PKZIP software used to "ZIP" (compress) files.

>DO NOT DOWNLOAD this file under any circumstances!!! If you install or
>expand this file, the virus WILL wipe your hard disk clean and affect
>modems at 14.4 and higher. This is an extremely destructive virus and
>there is NOT yet a way of cleaning up this one.

>REPEAT: DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY FILE NAMED PKZIP300 REGARDLESS OF THE
>EXTENSION.



>-- 
>Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/




From jtoth@infobahnos.com Fri Nov  1 18:21:26 PST 1996
Article: 78180 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Soviets were fighting Hitler in 1956 in Hungary?
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 05:54:10 GMT
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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>jtoth@infobahnos.com writes:
rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

Condoleezza Rice, *The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak army,
1948-1983: uncertain allegiance*. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton
University Press, 1984. Rice was President Bush's Soviet and East
European expert on the Nationa Security Council. Anyone with a serious
academic interest in the Hungarian situation is
encouraged to read the series of reports by the International
Commission of Jurists at The Hague. Any large University library
should have them.
	For people with a less serious interest in the subject, but who do not
actually drool (I'd hate to get any books dirty), the following was
recommended to me by an old professor who specializes in Eastern
Europe (I haven't read it myself):
	Felkay, Andrew. *Hungary and the USSR, 1956-1988: Kadar's political
 leadership*. New York: Greenwood Press, 1989.
Rothschild's *Return to Diversity* and his earlier books on Eastern
Europe, don't remember the title, are also quite good general surveys.
Oh, but he's got a Jewish name, sorry. I considered bumping followups
to talk.politics.soviet, but it looks like they're having serious
discussions over there. I'd hate to interrupt them
with this drivel. But if Judith thinks she has a point, by all means,
she should try to make it there.
-rich
>>--------------------
TOTH WROTE:<	RICH:<<from  their writings, ... but some of YOUR friends snipped it saying it
was "anti-zionist diatribe."
	It looks as though the name "David Irving" has the effect of red sheet
on you just like on  a Spanish bull! However, you don't have to accept
Mr. Irving's statements or sources on  the soviet soldiers in Hungary
in 1956 who did not know where they were or why they were there. Some
believed themselves in Berlin, fighting *Hitler's hordes again,* or on
the banks of the Suez Canal fighting the British." 

	RICH WROTE: <<
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My posting of Oct.25/96 under the title "Soviets were fighting Hitler
in 1956 in Hungary" was deleted and the message on my screen said:
***[Sorry.  This article is no longer available.]***
So here it is again in case somebody missed it...
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
	Yuri V. Andropov was one of the most refined Soviet officials. A
topranking NKVD officer as well as diplomat, he spoke many languages,
including excellent Hungarian. As he had been a port official
receiving wartime Allied convoys he also spoke good English...
	He had been at the Budapest embassy since 1953, was a close friend of
[today celebrated!-JT] prime minister Hegedus, and by 1956 had the
kind of position that gauleiters were assigned in occupied
countries.... Andropov was an apparatchik, a funky to whom the power
structure, rather than the Party's ideology, was all-important... [It
must be noted here that Mikhail Gorbacev was his protege, (!) his
pupil. Perhaps Andropov was the father of perestroyka?-JT]
	In Budapest, in October 1956, the young soldiers of General Batov,
General Larshenko and Yuri Andropov were dying. Many of them did not
know where they were or why they were there. Some believed themselves
in Berlin, fighting *Hitler's hordes again,* or on the banks of the
Suez Canal fighting the British. (...)[excerpts from UPRISING, by
David Irving. - Veritas Publ. Co. Pty.Ltd. Australia/ 1981]
Posted by Judit Toth
Reposted again on November 1st, 1996
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From jtoth@infobahnos.com Sat Nov  2 09:31:12 PST 1996
Article: 78216 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: MESSAGE: ***[Sorry.  This article is no longer available.]***
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My posting of October 23/96 under the title 
1956: THE BETRAYAL OF HUNGARY
was deleted by November 1st, 1996.
I hereby repost it in case someone missed it:
The MESSAGE on my screen says: 
***[Sorry. This article is no longer available.]***
-----------
1956: THE BETRAYAL OF HUNAGRY
	By the end of President Eisenhower's first term, concern about
communism was almost non-existent. Aroused by American
campaign oratory and Voice of America broadcasts about "rolling
back the Iron Curtain" and "freeing the captive peoples," the
Hungarians revolted and drove out their Russian captors.
	During their five days of freedom, [the Freedom Fighters] appealed
in vain for help. U.S. diplomatic recognition was requested. It was
never given. The U.S. announced that it "couldn't get involved."
The Hungarian affair was referred to the United Nations. Americans
sat up through the nights in early November 1956 listening to the
stirring oratory of Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge in the UN. They
didn't know that it had no real meaning.
	When President Eisenhower sent the Hungarian affair to the United
Nations, he was, in effect, telling the Soviet Union to do as it
pleased. [And it did just that!] The communists had the veto in the
UN Security Council and could stop any action. Finally, on
November 4, 1956, the Hungarian Freedom Fighter Radio Station
broadcast these last words:
	"People of the world, listen to our call. Help us not with words, but
with actions, with soldiers and arms. Please do not forget that this
wild attack of Bolshevism will not stop. You may be the next victim.
Save us... Our ship is sinking. The light vanishes. The shadows grow
darker from hour to hour. Listen to our cry. Start moving. Extend to
us your brotherly hands... God be with you and us."
	The Hungarian  Freedom Fighters conducted their rooftop vigils in
vain, watching and waiting for American planes... which never
came. Most Americans didn't understand what it meant when the United
States referred the Hungarian affair to the UN. Is it possible that
President Eisenhower and his State Department didn't know what
they were doing? They did know. They meant for the Hungarian
revolt to fail. After four years of silence, Congressman Michael
Feighan (D-Ohio) released the text of a State Department cablegram
to Tito, the communist dictator of Yugoslavia. Dispatched on
November 2, 1956. the telegram to Tito read:
	"The Government of the United States does not look with favor
upon governments unfriendly to the Soviet Union on the borders of
the Soviet union." [Congressional Record, Aug.31. 1960 /p.226./]
It was no accident, Congressman Feighan charged, that just 36 hours
later Soviet tanks re-invaded Hungary. The Kremlin butchered
Budapest, secure in the knowledge that America would not oppose
them. The U.S. State Department had given its approval!
Would aid to Hungary have provoked war? It is unlikely.
	Khrushchev and the Kremlin had one overriding fear, the
simultaneous revolt of the enslaved peoples. In November 1956, the
satellites were restless. Localizing rioting had erupted in Russia.
Some of the Red troops in Budapest deserted their offices and joined
the Freedom Fighters For this reason Khrushchev could not risk war.
He hesitated five days in Hungary. Finally, savage Mongolian troops
were imported from Asia to crush the uprising. Even these forces
were not commited until Khrushchev had tacit U.S. approval.
	Three years later in a speech in Budapest, Khrushchev himself
admitted the Kremlin's indecision on using force in Hungary. Had
the United States made a show of force, or even granted diplomatic
recognition, the Kremlin would have abandoned Hungary. The
United Nations, if the U.S. feared to intervene, could have sent
observers into Hungary the instant the Russians were driven out.
When the Hungarians were condemned to die alone, the hopes and
faith of millions of the world's most dedicated anti-communists died
with them. Our staunchest allies, the enslaved people behind the Iron
Curtain now believe they cannot expect help from America. If
Americans lose their freedom, the beginning of the end came in
Hungary.
	Any hope remaining behind the  Iron Curtain was ereased forever
when in July 1959 President Eisenhower invited the Butcher of
Budapest, Nikita Khrushchev to America... (...)"/John A. Stormer:
NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON, USA 1964. pp.47-49/
Posted by Judit Toth
Reposted again on November 1st, 1996
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From jtoth@infobahnos.com Sat Nov  2 09:31:12 PST 1996
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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My posting of October 26/96 titled "Communists and the Jewish
question" was deleted and the mesage on my screen says:
** [Sorry. This article is no longer available.]**
-----------------------------------------------
	Some people on alt.rev. -- for one reason or another -- don't like my
sources of quotation! Among many things they accuse me of living in
the past, being a member of the Birch Society and/or an atheist who
posts irrelevant subjects, uses nazi books instead of NIXKOR-approved
history books on the holocaust, and oh yes.... they snip-snip when I
post "anti-Zionist" diatribes from politically uncorrect Jews. They
just hate this one! And last but not least, they grab every chance to
use foul language in their replies unfit to print. What gives
folks?...
	Realizing that the data-base here is somewhat shallow in certain
fields of history, I would like to post excerpts from a book, so that
the reason for the 1956 Hungarian Uprising finally can become very
clear. 
	So then, "A note on Communists and the Jewish Question" is the title
of chapter 4. in **Hungary and the Soviet Bloc** by Charles Gati,
[Duke University Press, 1986.]  J.T.'s comments are in brackets
throughout the quotation. - If you don't know who Charles Gati is,
then ask around in the White House!
---
	Professor Charles Gati writes in his book on pages 99-102: 	
	<<<(...)people of Jewish origin led the Hungarian Communist party and
the notorious Communist-dominated political police for over a decade
after World War II.(...)
	That so many of the top leaders of the Hungarian Communist party were
of Jewish origin requires no documentation. Of course, they did not
observe religious holidays or Jewish traditions... Their adoption of
Hungaricized names also suggests the need to assume a new identity;
after all, Rakosi used to be Roth [sic! - his original name was
"Rosenkranz" -JT] Gero used to be Singer, Farkas used to be Wolf, Vas
- whose grandfather was a rabbi - used to be Weinberger, Gabor Peter,
the sadistic chief of the political police, [he died a few years ago
in Hungary, but lived like a king on fat pension until the very last
of his days! - JT] used to be Beno Auspitz, Sandor Nogradi used to be
Grunberger, Marton Horvath used to be Schiller, and so on. 
	That approximately 70 to 80 percent of the leadership of the political
police known by its dreaded acronyms AVO and then AVH - department
heads and other higher ups - was Jewish also symbolized a
psychological break with thousands of years of gentle Jewish tradition
- both compensating for the presumed weaknesses of their forefathers
and assuming a new identity.
	Jewish participation in the activities of the Hungarian Communist
movement and of the AVO stemmed from two sources. First, the appeal of
radicalism and of a harmonious society to Jewish intellectuals
everywhere, including Western Europe and North America, was apparently
of Hungarian history. As a result, many of the top leaders of the
Hungarian Communist movement were Jews. Of the fifteen member of the
first Central Committee of the Communists' party of Hungary, founded
in 1918, at least ten were Jewish. About three-fourths of the 200 high
officials of the 1919 Hungarian Soviet Republic or Commune were
Jewish. From Bela Kun [his original name Cohn-JT]  to Gero, every
secretary general of the Communist party was Jewish. [Although, the
Jewish minority in those days in Hungary numbered 900,000 out of the
total population of over 20 million, Bela Kun-Cohn appointed 22 out of
32 of his chief advisers from the Jewish community.-JT] 
	Thus, most of the reliable cadres available after 1944-45 were of
Jewish background, and this applied not only to the Muscovites but to
the home Communists as well. 
	Second, among Jews who joined the movement after WW II many did so
because of recent experiences in concentration camps and labour
battalions. They sought to REVENGE the recent past, believing that the
Soviet Union and the Hungarian Communist party, having distinguished
themselves in the struggle against Fascism in general and Nazi Germany
in particular, would support their claim for retribution. For Jews in
the middle echelons of the party and in the AVO, the unstated motto
seemed to be "Never Again!"(...)>>> [Is this not also the motto of the
Zionists of today?-JT]
	Is there any compensation or at least an apology for the tremendous
suffering of the politically uncorrect Hungarian  innocents who were
victims of Judeo-Communism in Hungary after WW II? No compensation, no
apology, ... indeed the subject is TABU to say the least, it's a
non-issue. 	
	Furthermore, when the subject comes up here on alt.rev. all we get is
NIXKOR's bulldozer-tactics, intimidation and verbal abuse! 
Judit Toth
Reposted on November 1st, 1996
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From jtoth@infobahnos.com Sun Nov  3 20:56:29 PST 1996
Article: 78388 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
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ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) wrote:

On Sat, 02 Nov 1996 09:44:28 GMT, jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
wrote:

My posting of Oct.25/96 under the title "Soviets were fighting Hitler
in 1956 in Hungary" was deleted and the message on my screen said:
***[Sorry.  This article is no longer available.]***
So here it is again in case somebody missed it...
[article snip]

Judith, Sara & Annie (+ others) told you what was happening and why u
were getting the " Sorry.....message "  a few weeks ago.
We all have ur posts in our computers, we also have all of the
responses.  And now we have them AGAIN.
This is my guess as to what is happening to you.
When you go ONLINE(in f-agent) I think you may be chosing " Get All
Headers In Selected Groups."
You should be chosing: " Get New Headers In Selected Groups."
ISP's need to flush their systems every few days to make room.
Don't be so paranoid.

This is a rough bar you're hanging around in. People have very
strongly held beliefs here. Both sides are always trying to beat the
crap out of each other. People who are here to learn, unfortunately,
have to sift thru tons tripe just to get one or two 'nuggets' of good
information.

You need to do two things:
	1.  Read carefully and digest.
	2.  Apologize and eat a large plate of crow.

Go find my response to your orig. post "1956: . . . "
BTW, I enjoy reading your stuff. 
Chris
-----------------------
November 3rd, 1996
TOTH ANSWERS:
	CHRIS CARPENTER lets me know once again, --  just like the rest of the
self-appointed "shopkeepers of alt.rev." -- that there is really
nothing wrong here as far as "snipping" articles is concerned, because
it's all in my head!!! .... besides that, I am such a "paranoid
newbie" who cannot tell the difference between a computer screen and
its keyboard.
 	So, in the "latest" cyberspace lesson Carpenter tells me to
"Get New Headers In Selected Groups." and that ..."ISP's need to flush
their systems every few days to make room."
	For your information, I have been using  the " Get New Headers In
Selected Groups"  for months now on all discussion groups!!! Same
button! How is it, that I only experience "snip-snip" on alt.rev???
	About flushing the system: I just went through all the headers on
*Free Agent*  dated after September 23, 1996. This is the oldest
article here on my screen. It took me 45 minutes to go through all
articles, I opened each one to see how many others have the message
"[Sorry.  This article is no longer available.]"

Between - Sept.23/96 and Nov.2/96  - ONLY these four articles have
just  titles and  the articles are not available anymore:
	1. Allied atrocities... (rblackmore) [Oct.20/96]
	2.1956: The Betrayal of Hungary - Judit Toth [ Oct.23./96]
	3. Soviets were fighting Hitler.... - Judit Toth [ Oct.25/96]
	4.Communists & the Jewish question - Judit Toth [Oct.26/96] 
	 
 	I can  see my headers, but the articles are gone! FLUSHED, you
say? Where to? And why only these four? Because of the subject?....
	So, if Free Agent likes to flush things once in awhile, how is it that
Daniel Kerens "Eyes they have but they cannot see" posting is still in
place from Sept.26/96???? It has 1110 lines!!! Huh??? 
	And of course there are others, much older postings, but my oneweek
old articles are GONE. Flushed............!
	For these four, the articles are missing on *Free Agent*, but the
headers still there. Is it because I happened to put the padlock on
them? Otherwise the headers would be gone too, just like the rest of
my postings - about a dozen or so - I have on list here? Oh yes, all
my postings are there... in a certain place, and I certainly  found
them. All of it. But when "flushed" on *Free Agent* after a few days,
they are out of sight. They are there, .... somewhere,....  but at the
same time they are not in public view!!!!.
	You know, dear shopkeepers, - or shall I call you *censors*, - the
activity  looks to me more like *filtering* rather than *flushing*!
	Shame on YOU! Go to the corner and repeat 50 times:
	"I must find a better explanation!"
Judit Toth
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From jtoth@infobahnos.com Mon Nov  4 15:39:37 PST 1996
Article: 78490 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MESSAGE: "[Sorry.  This article is no longer available.]"
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:52:19 GMT
Organization: Infobahn Online Services, Montreal, CANADA +1(514)481-2585
Lines: 76
Message-ID: <55lk1h$fbo@newsfeeder.total.net>
References: <55em39$eq9@newsfeeder.total.net> <327c165d.3179937@news.zippo.com> <55jd6u$nq8@newsfeeder.total.net> <55jn6c$294@atlas.uniserve.com>
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hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote:

>In <55jd6u$nq8@newsfeeder.total.net>, jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith
>Toth) wrote:

>[much deleted for brevity]

>>	You know, dear shopkeepers, - or shall I call you *censors*, - the
>>activity  looks to me more like *filtering* rather than *flushing*!
>>	Shame on YOU! Go to the corner and repeat 50 times:
>>	"I must find a better explanation!"
>>Judit Toth
>>------------

>Dear Ms. Toth,

>You may, of course, call us whatever your little heart desires.  But
>regardless of what you choose to call us (which, incidentally, will
>say far more about you than it ever will about any of us), you can
>spare yourself further embarrassment by reading the Help file that is
>part of your Free Agent program.  I would also sugget that you verify
>the settings for _each_ of the options you are empowered by the
>software to configure in accordance with _your_ preferences.  Because
>Free Agent is an off-line newsreader, it is these settings which
>determine _what_ is purged (deleted) from your computer and _when_.  

>Your current settings may well be configured so that article bodies
>you have retrieved and/or read are purged after x number of days but
>the headers are not purged until (x + y) days.  Any "locked" articles
>will not be affected by these settings until you remove the "lock"

>One more thing, if you are accessing the 'net via a workstation that
>is part of a network at your home, school, or place of employment,
>your difficulty in believing what others have told you regarding an
>ISP "flushing" news article from their server may stem from your
>mistaken assumption that the network server and the ISP server are one
>and the same.  They are not.

>I hope this helps.  (And it will, but only if you let it!)

>Posted/e-mailed

>hro


>=======================
>Hilary Ostrov
>e-mail: hostrov@uniserve.com
>http://users.uniserve.com/~hostrov/
>Co-Webmaster - The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org/
-----------------------------------
 TO HILARY OSTROV:--
	The addresses above prove, that I was right. You are the "shopkeepers"
of alt.rev.  after all. So this is why you and your friends from
NIZKOR step forward with *explanations* every time I complain about
deleting articles? Why?........ 
        You are painting yourselves into a corner so you continue to
use INTIMIDATION and BULLDOZER tactics against me?
         By making me look stupid and inadequate for computers, you or
your friends really NEVER answered what I wrote in alt.rev. You keep
writing about the "mistakes" I make, the navigation on *Free Agent* I
somehow just "don't understand" because of my "non-English
bakcground."         
        I really wanted an answer to my posting I wrote last night.
Why are you evading the subject? 
        Can't you understand that on my Free Agent **THERE ARE NO MORE
ARTICLES LEFT** even under the padlock? I never delete any articles
>from  Free Agent, because this is done automatically after 30 days. My
config. is set that way!
        Your very last explanations sent to me by E-mail is
unacceptable.  Nice try, but it won't work, honey!...
Judit Toth
November 4th, 1996
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From jtoth@infobahnos.com Wed Nov  6 07:53:35 PST 1996
Article: 78617 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: MESSAGE: "[Sorry.  This article is no longer available.]"
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 05:14:37 GMT
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"Leo G. Simonetta"  wrote:

>Judith Toth wrote:

>SNIP

>>  TO HILARY OSTROV:--
>>         The addresses above prove, that I was right. You are the "shopkeepers"
>> of alt.rev.  after all. So this is why you and your friends from
>> NIZKOR step forward with *explanations* every time I complain about
>> deleting articles? Why?........
>>         You are painting yourselves into a corner so you continue to
>> use INTIMIDATION and BULLDOZER tactics against me?
>>          By making me look stupid and inadequate for computers, you or
>> your friends really NEVER answered what I wrote in alt.rev. You keep
>> writing about the "mistakes" I make, the navigation on *Free Agent* I
>> somehow just "don't understand" because of my "non-English
>> bakcground."
>>         I really wanted an answer to my posting I wrote last night.
>> Why are you evading the subject?
>>         Can't you understand that on my Free Agent **THERE ARE NO MORE
>> ARTICLES LEFT** even under the padlock? I never delete any articles
>> from Free Agent, because this is done automatically after 30 days. My
>> config. is set that way!
>>         Your very last explanations sent to me by E-mail is
>> unacceptable.  Nice try, but it won't work, honey!...
>> Judit Toth
>> November 4th, 1996
>> -----------------------

>Ms Toth - I don't know you and I don't know Ms Ostrov.  
I am not affiliated with the "shopkeepers of alt.rev." 
I don't know much about USENET and little enough about
Free Agent.  But I do know this first a post cannot be 
deleted and second for a for a post to disappear from 
USENET one of two things has to happen:

1) Either the article expires (based on time) or
2) Someone cancels your article.

Either you or someone else can cancel your article, but 
for the article to be cancelled a cancel posting must 
appear in the USENET group control.
If you really think someone is cancelling your articles
I would suggest you first check control.
Leo (Net Scum) Simonetta              ARCLGS@LANGATE.GSU.EDU
This will soon be the "GruBoursy Net."
><519v1t$e24@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>
------------
ANSWER: A very compassionate reply from someone who doesn't know 
about USENET, or Free Agent or the "shopkeepers of alt.rev." but gives
and opinion anyway.  Thanks....
You tell me that two things happen:
1) Either the article expires (based on time) or
2) Someone cancels your article.
Now for your info.
1)The articles in question DID NOT expire based on time
2) Yes! You are right SOMEONE DID CANCEL  my articles leaving the
headers in place empty in Free Agent. This same person decided that
six articles must be "flushed". Who is it?

I get all kinds of really stupid answers here, sending me on a
guilt-trip but sofar nobody bothered to check the headers I listed
earlier if on THEIR Free Agent the articles are still there. And yes,
-- as I said before, -- I did go to Dejanews and USENET my articles
are intact all in there. I NEVER SAID that USENET DID NOT HAVE MY
POSTINGS! 

I have problems in Free Agent only: on alt.revisionism and
soc.culture.magyar. Both discussion groups for one reason or another
"flushed" my postings. I would like to know why and who is doing it.
I would appreciate if someone credible - other than agents from NIZKOR
would reply here A.S.A.P. Does anyone find postings with empty headers
on Free Agent with a message "[Sorry.  This article is no longer
available.]"?
Judit Toth
--------------------




From jtoth@infobahnos.com Sun Nov 10 06:53:44 PST 1996
Article: 79026 of alt.revisionism
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From: jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: On Conspiracy...
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 03:33:28 GMT
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beaton1@uwindsor.ca (Lorne Beaton) wrote:

>In article <55kkiv$npo@is05.micron.net>,
>Kurt Stele  wrote:
>>Keith Morrison  wrote:
>>
>>>Judith Toth wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> &&&
>>>> "Every thing secret degenerates... nothing is safe that does not show
>>>> how it can bear discussion and publicity," (Lord Acton)
>>
>>>So tell that to David Irving who doesn't want his speeches made
>>>public to a wider audience than attended his speech.
>>
>>Irving making a speech in public, at which even the Nizis are permitted to attend, is
>>hardly being "secretive" about anything.  

>And yet a member of the public, who attended that meeting, is forbidden 
>by the threat of legal action from publishing the text of that speech.

>But this is academic. The National Alliance makes no attempt to keep its 
>platform -- fascism, apartheid and extermination -- a secret. Just check 
>out their web site.
>-- 
>Lorne Beaton: beaton1@server.uwindsor.ca
>----------------------------------------
>"I am not Montel Williams.
> I AM NOT MONTEL WILLIAMS!" - John Munch
----------
ANSWER: Have you ever seen speeches, documents, political strategies
made public... whatever... from the  closed circle events of B'nai
B'rith, World Jewish Congress, Anti-Defamation League, Jewish
Defamation League, Alliance Israelite, Council on Foreign Relations,
Bilderberg Conferences, .... and so on?
JT
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