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A collection of posts to the white-separatist/National-Socialist mailing
list "Stormfront," concerning Jared Taylor and his organization American
Renaissance.  (All posts in April and May 1996 with the words "Jared,"
"Taylor," or "Renaissance" are archived here.)



Subject:     Re: SF: "Jewishness"
Sent:        4/5/96 4:51 AM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:51:39 -0800
Subject: Re: SF: "Jewishness"
 
 
On Mon,  1 Apr 1996, semidas@svlhp8.scs.philips.com 
(Semidas@svlhp8.scs.philips.com) wrote:
>From: semidas@svlhp8.scs.philips.com
>Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 9:56:35 PST
>Subject: SF: "Jewishness"
 
I don't mean for this to be taken too personally by anyone, but some
general points are intended for consideration here by everyone.
 
'Beowulf', who hugely enjoys continually waving his Jewish ancestry
in our faces but who resents being labeled as a 'Jew', must be amused
by the repeated calls by many here who have asked that the subject be
dropped and that we move on to other things more important.  As it
gradually dies down, he just re-introduces it.  So be it.
 
This 'part'-Jew, 'Beowulf', continues his attacks on the National Alliance
and on serious, committed racialists.  This time around he has the help
of a certain monitor of this list who periodically privately contacts
Stormfront subscribers with pointers and hints in his intention to sow
dissension and damage racialist credibility.  To protect his identity,
I will not mention his name although numerous Stormfronters, and Don,
are very much aware of his presence.  Urgings to introduce NS Germany's
race-laws and legalities into this discussion emanated from this source.
 
My own refusal to co-operate with that was not matched by Beowulf,
who may perhaps have different goals in mind.  I don't know.  But
I'm not really surprised.  No doubt 'Beowulf' will receive further
guidance from this enemy of our people.
 
We may now examine the Jewish 'Beowulf's latest remarks.
 
>There appears to be some confusions that I would like to dispel.
>Most pointedly regarding the definition of Jew.
 
We understand, 'Beowulf'.  Jews should only be identified as Jews when
expedient, when it pleases them, when convenient.  And identified as
'Whites' when expedient, pleasing, convenient.  When Jews do good,
then they are 'Jews'.  When committing their crimes, they are suddenly
'Whites' and 'White liberals'.  The Jewish mass media follows this
policy in all reporting and portrayals involving Jews.
 
An excellent example of this is the 'Russian mafia' that has been
a scourge in Russia and which now has firm tentacles and bases
established in the United States and elsewhere in the White world.
The Jewish media is careful to frequently use the word 'Russian'
in describing it, but equally careful in avoiding mention of the
fact that this 'mafia' is composed almost exclusively of Jews.
In fact, 'Jew' is almost never mentioned in connection with this
'Russian mafia'.
 
But I digress.
 
What irritates me so much is to see fellow racialists falling into this
sickening trap also.  'American Renaissance' is a racialist publication
that routinely identifies all sorts of Jews as 'White liberals'.  Yet
the tiny numbers of Jews who embrace, or appear to embrace, racialism
[i.e. their peculiarly Jewish slant or distortion of it], are suddenly
Jews again, in that publication.  The racialists here who welcome Jews
amongst us are usually the Christian-types - in which disease Jews are
always paramount in importance in one form or another anyway.
 
It also annoys me to see this Jewish poison continually seeping into
a listserv of racialists, from a person who vowed to leave when offered
the possibility of damage his presence could do, but who then blithely
ignored same when presented.  His personal choice made in this regard
I think has clarified what his actual intentions are, vis-a-vis the
welfare of the racialist movement that he pretends to desire to serve.
 
>Some take the position that ANY portion of Jewish ancestry makes that person
>Jewish.  There is something to say for such a position.  It is simple.
>However, like most simple answers to complex issues it fails on other points.
>An example of those who hold to this model would be the National Alliance.
 
Criticising and disputing various points with the National Alliance is
legitimate when coming from a genuine Aryan racialist who has different
ideas on strategy, tactics, and outlook.  But when coming from a Jew,
and on a racialist listserv, it is somehow obscene.
 
>An alternate position is the one taken by the National Socialist regime
>of Adolf Hitler's Germany which was to proactively regenerate the several
>races of society.  This was outlined in the Reichscitizenship Law...
 

 
Under the 'mischlinge' definitions, 'Beowulf', who has a Jewish
grandmother, would be a 'Mixed Blood of the Second Degree'.  These
strict legal definitions are studied by Alan Abrams in his excllent
book "SPECIAL TREATMENT" [Lyle Stuart, 1985], along with various
case studies and the actual social experience of individuals who
were 'mischlinge' like 'Beowulf' in NS Germany.
 
In 'Beowulf's case, the following [from the 'Reich Citizenship Law'
issued by the Reich Interior Ministry on 14th November 1935,
and addendum thereto] would apply -
 
:   2) Treatment of Persons of Mixed Blood of the Second Degree
:   
:   Persons of mixed blood of the second degree will be treated
:   fundamentally as persons of German blood,
 
This meant persons with one Jewish grandparent [no differentiation
between paternal or maternal sides, in contrst to the Jew 'Beowulf's
statement in an earlier post].  'Persons of Mixed Blood [Mischlinge]
of the First Degree' meant persons with =two= Jewish grandparents.
 
So, 'Beowulf' is an Aryan just like us, as he keeps claiming?  Let's read
further.  And then let's look at the practical reality for 'part'-Jews
in the social life of NS Germany, amongst the =genuine= Aryan citizenry.
 
:   with the exception of the following cases, in which the persons of
:   mixed blood of the second degree will be considered as Jews: ...
:
:   b) The person of mixed blood of the second degree has a racially
:   especially undesirable appearance that marks him outwardly as a Jew.
 
I don't know what 'Beowulf' looks like, and in view of his past deception
here, I certainly wouldn't trust any description he would give us.  Note
that if he has a Jewish appearance, he would be classified as a 'Jew' in
NS Germany.
 
:   c) The person of mixed blood of the second degree has a particularly
:   bad police and political record that shows that he feels and behaves
:   like a Jew.
 
My own view, and that held by several others here, is that 'Beowulf'
has most definitely behaved like a Jew, in his deceptive behaviour,
his misrepresentations, his lying denial of his past statements in
postings, and his general sophistry.
 
I don't know if 'Beowulf' has a police record or not, but I will assume
not.  Political record?  No such records are kept here in North America,
except on the 'politically incorrect'.  But I would say that the deception
of 'Beowulf' about his ancestry, if not other misrepresentations, such as
his misleading presentation of the NS race-laws classifications, along with
his general attacks on National Alliance and on serious racialists here,
would clearly place him in this category.  In NS Germany he would probably
be ranked as a political offender - this would earn him a bunk in one of
the concentration camps and special little sleeve chevrons on his pajama
striped uniform that would identify him as a 'Jew' and a 'political'
[the book "THE PINK TRIANGLE" by Richard Plant has an excellent illustration
of these chevrons on the d.j.'s back flyleaf].
 
In National Socialist Germany, if you were a 'part'-Jew and kept your
nose clean, you were legally identified as a 'German' although your actual
life was lived under constant suspicion and mistrust.  You were correctly
regarded by virtually everyone you came in contact with as a Jew who could
not be trusted, who should not be overly associated with.  On your military
papers was the stamp 'nicht verwenden' ['not useful'] as an affirmation of
your Jewish identity and suspiciousness, and as an advisement to military
authorities to not place such a 'mischlinge' in a too-sensitive position.
 
Back to the legal definitions -
 
:   Also in these cases exemptions should not be made if the person of
:   mixed blood of the second degree has married a person of German
:   blood.
 
I don't know anything about the spouse of 'Beowulf', and, again, I could
not trust anything he would have to say on the matter.  He has already
deceived us about his Jewish ancestry, so why should he be trusted to
be truthful about it either?  Note, however, that if 'Beowulf' the
'part'-Jew does have a Jewish spouse, then he would have been classified
as a 'Jew' in legal terms and treated accordingly.
 
To reiterate -
 
For a Jew who with one parent or grandparent who was Jewish, legally
and technically he was classified as 'German', subject to several
'exceptions' which if fulfilled would change that classification to
one of 'Jew'.  In practical terms, the societal ostracism and the
suspicion was =quite rightly and justly= experienced by these persons.
Thus, even if the 'exceptions' were =not= fulfilled, the reality
was that these 'part'-Jews were treated and considered as 'Jews'
in many or most cases.
 
'Nicht verwenden!'
 
In a race-based society such as NS Germany, in this society in which
the Volk had at long last become aware of the Jewish menace and the
Jewish poison, the life of Jews/'part'-Jews often became impossible.
 
'Nicht verwenden!'
 
Again, I recommend "SPECIAL TREATMENT" by Alan Abrams as an excellent
study of the situation of these 'mischlinge' who lived twilight-zone
lives of legal status in absolute conflict with social status.
 
Beowulf, who has already misled us here about his ancestry [and who
knows what else] presently intends to 'inform' us that Hitler and
the National Socialists in Germany would have welcomed him as an
Aryan like themselves.  This of course would be an absolute lie,
but who would reasonably expect otherwise from a Jew/'part'-Jew?
 
I think that once again, we see here an intent to deceive and to
misrepresent, as seen in the selective way in which 'Beowulf' has
distorted and selectively presented the legal definitions as they
appeared in NS Germany.  Jewish is as Jewish does?  Apparently so.
 
>...The National Alliance and some others here consider me Jewish.
 
Yes, that is right.  Isn't that shocking?  Chilling perhaps?
 
>National Socialist Germany would consider me a mixed race to be
>treated as non-Jewish.  If you don't like it, talk to Adolf.
 
A mixed-race, yes.  To be legally/technically identified as 'German'
as a 'solution' to the gray-area identification problem; or if certain
exceptional conditions were met to be identified as a JEW.  Treatment?
To be =treated= as a JEW.  If such a 'mischlinge' behaved as a Jew,
engaged in the activities Jews routinely engage in [lying, theft,
anti-Aryan genocide, immorality, etc.], physically appeared to be
Jewish, or had a Jewish spouse, then to be identified as a JEW.
 
In short, in NS Germany 'Beowulf', in view of his general lying
and deception, would have found at about 3am one morning, his front
door being smashed in and his worthless Jewish hide hauled out and
hurled into an SS van, possibly or hopefully accompanied by severe
body blows, teeth being knocked out, kicks, punches, insults, abuse,
savage Alsatian lunges, and so forth.  This Jewish deceiver would then
have found himself thrown into a concentration camp where he would
be made to do some actual physical labour - instead of spending his
life lying and deceiving - for the duration.  And possibly may
have died of typhus or typhoid in the general breakdown towards
the end of the war.
 
I mention all this for the legitimate reason that I am merely stating
the likely fate of this Jewish interloper in NS Germany.  'Beowulf'
is lying at us that he would have been an 'Aryan' who is invited to
frequent tea-parties at the Berghof, when in reality he would have
been wearing a pajama-striped uniform with brown stains all over
the back of it.
 
All I can say, 'Beowulf'/Jew, is that if such a fate displeases
you, then talk to Adolf.  But somehow I don't think he had the
time to listen to Jewish lies and deceptions.
 
 

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Subject:     SF: Infiltration
Sent:        4/18/96 3:17 AM
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From:        Mckinney@usaor.com, mckinney@usaor.com
To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: Ian McKinney 
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 21:17:17 -0600
Subject: SF: Infiltration

        In the never-ending quest of saving our lost brethren, one idea
keeps going around in my head: infiltrating the Republicans. Of course,
there are many times when I discard the proposal as a waste of time, but I
keep thinking about how successful our enemies have been in using the same
strategy in taking-over the leftist Democrat party.( Look at how many
marxists and radical leftists are in the Clinton regime). Although there is
probably little hope in salvaging any of the neo-cons, (thoroughly Jewified
"conservatives), but perhaps some of the paleo-conservatives could be
brought over. Especially since their hero, Pat, has been so thoroughly
ravaged by the Self-Chosen. I think it would be hard for them to avoid
noticing. Also these people are becoming persona non-grata in the neo-con
dominated Republican party and are likely becoming fed-up with the whole
Gingrich/Bennett/Limbaugh operation.

        The main problem that I see is that many of these paleos like to
play the game of "good Jews and bad Jews". In other words, if a Jew spouts
conservative rhetoric, blends in a little racism, and waves the flag, then
he's a "good Jew." This attitude is put into practice by outfits like
American Renaissance and Chronicles magazine. Both more or less racial when
you boil-down their message, but they avoid the Jewish Question like the
plague and go out of their way to distance themselves from anything
connected with Uncle Adolf and NS. I often wonder where their minds are
really at, and whether they just think they are clever by putting up the PC
front.

        Secondary, is my perception that 99% of all conservatives are
cowards and go along with more of the liberal agenda than they would like to
admit. After all, I think there are many people that are racial in the old
wing of the Republicans, but do not have the guts to break out of the
playground. That is not the kind of people we necessarily want, is it?

Antway, I would be interested in hearing comments and especially some
experiences on this question

Ian McKinney

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Subject:     SF: "All forms of racism are immoral." -- Pat Buchanan
Sent:        4/26/96 11:12 PM
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From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:12:56 -0700
Subject: SF: "All forms of racism are immoral." -- Pat Buchanan
 
 
On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, john.andrew.mason@stormfront.org (John Andrew Mason) wrote
:
>From: john.andrew.mason@stormfront.org (John Andrew Mason)
>Date: Mon, April 22 1995
>Subj: Re: SF: "All forms of racism are immoral." -- Pat Buchanan
 
[John replying to AryanGar's =accurate= comments about Buchanan:]
>I'm having a difficult time believing that all these "smarter-than-thou"
>Aryans are having so much trouble understanding my basic premise.  If
>you do not want to work within the system, THEN WHAT IS YOUR PLAN?
>LET'S HEAR IT!  I personally am dying to be "enlightened" by this great
>revelation I'm obviously missing.
 
We crave enlightenment too: some months ago you proudly informed us
that the Jewish-dominated 'American Renaissance' of Jared Taylor was
poised on the brink of a massive 'breakthrough'.  In nail-biting
suspense we awaited the blockbuster news, but it never came.
 
I still have yet to see AR on any newstand.  There is little or no
mention of it in the Jewish mass media.  Taylor has not become a
national leader of the White Race [I would have said Aryandom, but
his deep love affair with Jews precludes this].  There is no visible
'breakthrough' so far as I can see, although you did promise it to
us.  Your explanation at the time was that such a stupendous event
would be a direct consequence of his 'moderation', careful avoidance
of the 'extremists' in the movement, and ready acceptance of Jews
in his publication and at his small Southern gatherings.
 
From the date of your dazzling 'breakthrough' announcement, there
has been a deafening silence.  Tell us please, the rich rewards
that have accrued from the compromise, 'moderation', and continual
cozying to Jews, as displayed by Taylor and his AR.
 
If such 'tactics' really do result in racial salvation for our
people, I have yet to see it.
 
But back to =your= 'plan'.  Is it that Pat will help us?  He
couldn't even win the primary, as myself and several others have
accurately forecast [and not for the first time either].  He
will fight at the Republican convention, but in the end will
close ranks with Dull and participate in the usual sellout of
white americans.  He will wind up urging Americans to vote for
Dull and to support the Republican party in November.
 
Would you say that this prediction is on the mark, or off it?
 
>Yes, Buchanan is not our savior, and no one--not even I-- have made
>such an assertion.  I said he is the closest thing to come down the
>pike in the last fifty years; and that he most certainly is.
 
Repeatedly, many of us have been asking you in this forum for some proof,
=any= proof, that Pat Buchanan is a racialist and is 'on our side'.  You
have come up with absolutely nothing other than an observation about the
'glint in his eye' that you've caught now and then at his talks, or your
own interpretive analysis of his words.  Let's try it out -
 
'All forms of racism are immoral' becomes a clarion call for white
resistance.
 
Expulsions from his election campaigns of 'exposed' racialists are
re-interpreted as loyalty to the racialists who have worked so hard
for him in his campaigns.
 
Buchanan's calls to ban abortion - and to save the half-ape offspring of
white women who have been raped by subhuman black savages - are a secret
call for eugenics.
 
>You all fail to understand that our country was not taken over in one night,
>but over the last one hundred and fifty-odd years.  It's a big ship, boys,
>and it's going to take a huge, concerted and painfully slow effort to stop
>it and turn it around.
 
So by continuing to support the sellout of white america by 'conservative'
politicians at Republican conventions, and I include Pat Buchanan, every
four years, we are going to 'take over' our country again?  I'm sorry,
but I just don't understand the logic of this at all.  I must be one of
the incredibly obtuse Aryans you earlier made reference to.  Or should
this reference be applied to the foolish dreamers waving their little
'go Pat go' signs?
 
>Pat Buchanan "not a racialist?"  In Europe the media has labeled Buchanan
>the "new Hitler."  In this country his supporters have been likened to
>"Brown-shirts."  He personally is a foaming "anti-Semite."  He
>characterizes Mexicans as "Jose."  He is most certainly a racialist;
>not as radical as you or I, but a racialist nevertheless.
 
So the media smears of Buchanan illustrate his 'racialism'?  The media
has also smeared Marlon Brando as an 'anti-Semite' and 'tool' of the
neo-nazis for his recent Hollywood-owned-by-Jews comments, in spite of
the fact that he has devoted virtually his entire life to anti-white
causes, the Amerian Indian Movement, and other filth.  So presumably
Brando is one of 'us' too?  The Jewish mass media branded Ronald Reagan
as a 'fascist' and 'racist', as they did to Richard Nixon earlier, yet
both presidents presided over the school-busing campaigns and the
enactment of affirmative action, quotas, and set asides.
 
In spite of Buchanan's repeated condemnations of racialism and racialists,
and the expulsion from his election campaigns of white racialists, you
still prefer the media smear as an accurate reflection of the 'true' Pat,
is that right?
 
You neglected to mention the frantic denials issued by the Buchanan
campaign to each smear, by way of example I can refer to the one posted
here on SF some months ago in which his staffers outlined the endless
efforts made by 'anti-Semite'/'new Hitler' Buchanan on behalf of Israel
over the years.
 
>WE MUST BEGIN SOMEWHERE!!  We must take advantage of every crack and crevice.
>In the beginning, NO ONE will be our ideal candidate.  BUT WE MUST BEGIN
>SOMEWHERE, GENTLEMEN.
 
This is the 'beginning'?  White americans have been propping up conservative
sellouts for nearly half-a-century, such sellouts and chameleons siphoning
off millions of white votes and millions of dollars and the energy and
efforts of decent and well-meaning white racialists, to absolutely no
positive purpose or result whatsoever.  Even those functionaries of the
system such as Pat Buchanan, even if elected, =instantly= reverse
themselves and break every promise and assurance they made to the white
electorate.
 
Your 'plan' is evidently for all of us to continue along this same path
that we've been stumbling along for so many decades already, in the exact
same meaningless and destination-less dead-end as before?
 
When you say 'work within the system' [as frequently admonished by the
fat blowhard Rush Limbaugh, although even =he= is currently so disgusted
that he now refuses to call himself a Republican], I think that what you
=really= mean is work =FOR= the system - keep it alive - prop it up in
any possible way - retain it as the functional and effective tool it now
is, that destroys our people's future and potential.  You may not directly
intend that yourself, but inevitably that is the only practical effect.
 
You ask what the alternative is.  Here is one -
 
The 'plan' of serious, committed racialists is to completely opt out
of the system.  The only involvement in it is to support anything and
everything that speeds up the decay and breakdown in our degenerate
society: Vote for Clinton.  Smile approvingly at each new Jew appearing
on our Supreme Court.  Whoop with joy at the acquittals of black criminals
by black juries and liberal judges.  Encourage integration, pornography,
crime, disorder.  Grin at every new federal intrusion and oppression.
 
=THESE= are the things that disaffect our racial brothers and sisters,
that propel them to seek solutions =outside= the system.  The Pat
Buchanans who exploit these aroused feelings with their phony and
worthless 'conservative' and bible-thumping stupidities, are only
the false hopes distracting our people and siphoning off the energies
and resources that =should= be going into a more radicalised movement.
 
The repeated failures of the Buchanans, or their volte-faces when
elected, only further this disaffection, and it is good.
 
 

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Subject:     SF: '96 AR conference
Sent:        5/5/96 6:12 PM
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From: ken@sgi.net (Ken P.)
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 18:12:12 -0400
Subject: SF: '96 AR conference

Is anyone out there going to the American Renaissance conference in
Louisville over Memorial Day weekend?  Perhaps we could meet for a late
lunch before the program begins on Saturday (May 25) evening.

Ken

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Subject:     SF: AR conference
Sent:        5/12/96 2:23 PM
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From: ken@sgi.net (Ken P.)
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 14:23:59 -0400
Subject: SF: AR conference
 
>Is anyone out there going to the American Renaissance conference in
Louisville over 
>Memorial Day weekend?  Perhaps we could meet for a late lunch before the
program 
>begins on Saturday (May 25) evening.
 
Since posting the above, I have been questioned as to what this is all about.
 
The conference will address racial issues from a White racialist
perspective.  Speakers and topics will include:
 
     J. Phillippe Rushton -- "The American Dilemma in World Perspective"
     Samuel Francis -- "The Importance of Racial Consciousness"
     Michael Levin -- "Current Fallacies About Race"
     Mayer Schiller -- "Jews Gentiles, and the American Racial Dilemma"
     Michael Hart -- "Racial Partition of the United States"
     Jared Taylor -- "The Ways of Our People: What We are Fighting For"
     Lawrence Auster -- (topic not specified, but probably about immigration)
     Fr. James Thorton -- "A Christian Perspective on the Racial Dilemma"
 
The conference starts at 5:00 pm on Saturday (May 25) night at Louisville's
swanky Seelbach Hotel and ends at noon on Monday (May 27).  Registration fee
is $100 per person.  Hotel room rate is $69 per night.  (No extra charge for
double occupance.)
 
For more information or to register, call American Renaissance at 502-637-3242.
The Seelbach Hotel can be reached at 1-800-333-3399.
 
It's getting late, so if anyone is interested in this, you had better act
quickly
 
Ken
 

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Subject:     Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
Sent:        5/14/96 11:30 AM
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From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:30:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election

>Overall, Buchanan serves our purposes, mostly by being a lightning rod for
>important issues that the conventional system politicians want to avoid. He
>serves best by losing, thus polarizing and frustrating his supporters. The
>tip-off for any major swing is when we see Jews moving into what is either
>set-up or utilized as a pseudo-nationalist operation that's purpose is to
>contain and subvert the backlash. I see that happening now in serveral
>areas. That tells me that the system recognizes a threat from
>nationalists-racialists.

This is true:  it is better that Buchanan runs and loses than if he did not
run at all. As far as the Jews moving to contain the white racial backlash
through organizational subversion, the Jews have been extremely successful
in one organization I can think of known as the "The American Renaissance."
This organization, headed by Jared Taylor, has twice invited a Jewish rabbi
to speak at its national conference.  Such undermining is reminiscent of
what the Jews did to the John Birch society, a group founded to rescue
America from communist subversion.  After Jewish pressure was applied to its
founder, the John Birch Society prohibited anyone from speaking out against
Jews.  Another threat of racial nationalism was thus successfully neutralized.


I asked a member of the American Renaissance why it allowed a rabbi to speak
at its meetings.  "Well" he said "otherwise we wouldn't be allowed to stay
at the good hotels and we have to hold our national conference at Lum's
Eatery.  You see, the rabbi is good cover for our organization, allowing us
to function without the burden of being considered anti-semitic.  Don't
worry--we know about the jews" he added with a conspiratorial whisper.

How can we win a war when we cannot identify the enemy?

At the very least, A.R. is an ultimately ineffective organization, being
incapable of openly identifying the real causes of America's decline, and at
the worst it is confusing patriots of goodwill as to who their real enemy is.

For an organization that is less kosher, I suggest examining the ideology of
the National Alliance.

"What we must have, however, is a thorough ROOTING OUT of Semitic and other
non-Aryan values and customs everywhere. We must once again provide the sort
of social and spiritual environment in which our own nature can express
itself in music, in art and architecture, in literature, in philosophy and
scholarship, in the mass media, and in the life-styles of the people."
From "What is the National Alliance?"  (Emphasis added.)

Brian Smith

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Subject:     Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
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From: Ian McKinney 
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:48:24 -0500
Subject: Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
 
At 03:30 PM 5/14/96 GMT, you wrote:
 
>This is true:  it is better that Buchanan runs and loses than if he did not
>run at all. As far as the Jews moving to contain the white racial backlash
>through organizational subversion, the Jews have been extremely successful
>in one organization I can think of known as the "The American Renaissance."
>This organization, headed by Jared Taylor, has twice invited a Jewish rabbi
>to speak at its national conference.  Such undermining is reminiscent of
>what the Jews did to the John Birch society, a group founded to rescue
>America from communist subversion.  After Jewish pressure was applied to its
>founder, the John Birch Society prohibited anyone from speaking out against
>Jews.  Another threat of racial nationalism was thus successfully neutralized.
>
Ian McKinney replies:
 
Actually, if you read "America's Decline:The Education of a Conservative" by
Dr. Revilo Oliver, you will find that the Birch Society was controlled by a
group of Jews. Keep in mind that Dr. Oliver was an Birch insider for 12
years and a founding member. He was also the editor of their flagship
publication, American Opinion. The Jew's frontman, Robert Welch, even tried
to bribe Oliver when he resigned, since he knew it would damage the JBS's
image to have a well-respected, prominant member sever ties. It also goes to
show that even a genius can be fooled, at least for a time, by a clever
anti-Aryan operation
 
Nonetheless, It was probably one of their most successful Jewish subversion
operations. The JBS wasted vast amounts of Aryan money and energy. 
 
Beware of any so-called "patriotic organization" that does not deal
forthrightly with both the race issue and the Jewish situation. I can only
assume that any organization that practices that policy does it for one of
three reasons: first, it is set-up by our enemies and operates for the same
purpose as the JBS - waste money and resources. Secondly, it is made-up of
persons of insufficient moral courage that know the truth, but instead
prefer to play games. Frankly, if someone doesn't have the guts to say
outright that the racial problem is the foremost danger we face and that the
Jewish power structure is at least 99% behind  bringing about conditions
that will cause our extinction, then what value can they be when censorship
and attacks become more strident? And lastly, it is a worthless, made-up of
fools and idiots, and thus not worth the time of day.
 
 
>I asked a member of the American Renaissance why it allowed a rabbi to speak
>at its meetings.  "Well" he said "otherwise we wouldn't be allowed to stay
>at the good hotels and we have to hold our national conference at Lum's
>Eatery.  You see, the rabbi is good cover for our organization, allowing us
>to function without the burden of being considered anti-semitic.  Don't
>worry--we know about the jews" he added with a conspiratorial whisper.
>
If Jared Taylor really wanted to put his Jews to work, then they should be
attacking and exposing all the rotten activities of the Jewish power
structure. He could then tactically avoid the "anti-semitic" label by saying
that these are "good" Jews exposing "bad" Jews. Ben Freidman, obviously a
Jew, could no longer stand the rotteness, and devoted the rest of his life
and wealth in telling people what the Jews have been up to. Now that's a Jew
that I can take seriously. If these Jews like Rabbi Schiller really wanted
to be of service, then they should carry-out unremitting attacks on
Hollywood, Zionism, and Communism; exposing the essential Jewish power
behind these things and their destructive effects.
 
 
>For an organization that is less kosher, I suggest examining the ideology of
>the National Alliance.
>
Nuf said.
 
Ian McKinney
 

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Subject:     Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
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From:        Whitewil@nando.net, whitewil@nando.net
To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: whitewil@nando.net
Date: Wed, 15 May 96 06:48:00 PDT
Subject: Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
 
 
Brian Smith wrote:
__________________
 
As far as the Jews moving to contain the white racial backlash
through organizational subversion, the Jews have been extremely successful
in one organization I can think of known as the "The American Renaissance."
This organization, headed by Jared Taylor, has twice invited a Jewish rabbi
to speak at its national conference.  Such undermining is reminiscent of
what the Jews did to the John Birch society, a group founded to rescue
America from communist subversion.  After Jewish pressure was applied to its
founder, the John Birch Society prohibited anyone from speaking out against
Jews.  Another threat of racial nationalism was thus successfully 
neutralized.
 
Taylor's book, Paved With Good Intentions, is an excellent chronicling of the 
failed "Civil Rights Movement." How can the man who wrote this scholarly work 
not understand the eternal struggle between Jew and Gentile? Is he trying to 
out-Jew the Jew? I subscribed to AR a couple of years back, but dropped it 
when, month after month, I noticed Jew after Jew contributing to "our" debate 
between its covers. I heard that at least SIX (6) Jews were at the last AR 
get-together. It's a cinch that talk of "THE DAY OF THE ROPE" didn't come up 
much during the weekend of schmoozing with the Jews. A kinder, gentler 
approach perhaps, but doomed to failure, because some of us will never allow 
such crap!  
 
I asked a member of the American Renaissance why it allowed a rabbi to speak
at its meetings.  "Well" he said "otherwise we wouldn't be allowed to stay
at the good hotels and we have to hold our national conference at Lum's
Eatery.  You see, the rabbi is good cover for our organization, allowing us
to function without the burden of being considered anti-semitic.  Don't
worry--we know about the jews" he added with a conspiratorial whisper.
 
How can we win a war when we cannot identify the enemy?
 
I was told once that the second stupidest person on Earth is one who doesn't 
know who his and his peoples' enemies are. Of course that begged the 
question: who is the stupidest? The stupidest person on Earth is one who 
knows exactly who his enemies are, but does not fight them -- and even 
collaborates with them in the destruction of his own people. Now, that *is* 
stupid, isn't it?
 
Those of you going to the AR thing should vow to keep 'em honest. The 
following bears repeating:
 
At the very least, A.R. is an ultimately ineffective organization, being
incapable of openly identifying the real causes of America's decline, and at
the worst it is confusing patriots of goodwill as to who their real enemy is.
 
For an organization that is less kosher, I suggest examining the ideology of
the National Alliance.
 
"What we must have, however, is a thorough ROOTING OUT of Semitic and other
non-Aryan values and customs everywhere. We must once again provide the sort
of social and spiritual environment in which our own nature can express
itself in music, in art and architecture, in literature, in philosophy and
scholarship, in the mass media, and in the life-styles of the people."
>From "What is the National Alliance?"  (Emphasis added.)
 
Brian Smith
                                                                Amen,\|/
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Subject:     SF: AR conference
Sent:        5/16/96 12:12 AM
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From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 21:12:54 -0700
Subject: SF: AR conference
 
 
On Sun, 12 May 1996, ken@sgi.net (Ken@sgi.net) wrote:
>From: ken@sgi.net (Ken P.)
>Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 14:23:59 -0400
>Subject: SF: AR conference
>
>...The conference will address racial issues from a White racialist
>perspective.  Speakers and topics will include:
> 
>     J. Phillippe Rushton -- "The American Dilemma in World Perspective"
>     Samuel Francis -- "The Importance of Racial Consciousness"
>     Michael Levin -- "Current Fallacies About Race"
>     Mayer Schiller -- "Jews Gentiles, and the American Racial Dilemma"
>     Michael Hart -- "Racial Partition of the United States"
>     Jared Taylor -- "The Ways of Our People: What We are Fighting For"
>     Lawrence Auster -- (topic not specified, but probably about immigration)
>     Fr. James Thorton -- "A Christian Perspective on the Racial Dilemma"
 
From the speakers list, at least three are Jews that I know of for certain -
[Prof.] Levin, [Rabbi] Schiller, and Auster; also, it should be anticipated
that the audience will be peppered with numerous yarmulkes.  For many racialist
s
who are aware of the Jewish menace and the danger of Jews entering/controlling/
manipulating/neutralising our movement, these are important considerations.
 
Francis is the hugely fat and heavily acneed slug-like creature that flees
in terror from National Alliance members [I am told].
 
Rushton is the author of the excellent "RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOUR".
Hart and Thorton I know little about, positive or negative.
 
AMERICAN RENAISSANCE is a high-quality, informative magazine.  It has numerous
and well-written essays on race relations, racial differentiation, and book
reviews on relevant topics.  It blasts white liberalism, but fails to identify
the Jewish role in our racial dispossession - anti-white Jews are labeled as
'white' liberals and Jews are rarely, if ever, critically mentioned in that
publication at all.  This renders ludicrous the AR masthead logo announcing
the Jefferson quote "There is not a truth existing which I fear, or would
wish unknown to the whole world."  Obviously Jared Taylor and AR fear the
truth of the Jewish dimension and wish it unknown to the world, which is
a major detraction from an otherwise good publication.
 
Still, I recommend AR as something worth subscribing to.  But I recommend
INSTAURATION as a more serious, fearless, and of somewhat higher intellectual
quality, publication for Aryan racialists.  In fact, I think that racialists
ought to read both.
 
AR has a Southern slant, and its editor, Jared Taylor [author of the book
"PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS"], appears to have a fixation on his Confederate
heritage [a common problem with many Southerners when taken to its extreme].
In this respect AR is perhaps more of a Southern cultural publication than
a periodical representing our wider racial interests.  This is further
amplified by the strange and bizarre incident at the 1994 AR conference,
in which Jews and Southerners consumed cocktails together in a hotel suite
adorned with a giant Confederate battle flag.
 
David Duke desired and attempted to attend the 1994 conference, but was
turned away by Jared Taylor.  This puzzled or angered many of those present.
 
The typical welcomed attendee is a genteel suit-and-tied Southern conservative
who pursues respectability, social acceptance, and prosperity.  Some of us
here feel that this mind-set has been the bane of the conservative or racialist
movement for half-a-century, and is long past due to be jettisoned in favour
of a more serious and radicalised Jew-free movement.
 
I attended the 1994 conference and was, frankly, disgusted.  Our racial
dilemma was couched in moralistic hand-wringing Jew-pleasing dimensions,
and proffered 'solutions' included letters to the editor, contacting one's
congressman, and even a return of the monarchy.
 
If one can handle rubbing shoulders with Jews and put up with Jew-pleasing
rhetoric from the podium [I can't], the AR conference remains an option.
 
 

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Subject:     SF: White Nationalism and the Election
Sent:        5/17/96 12:49 AM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:49:12 -0700
Subject: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
 
 
On Tue, 14 May 1996, sbrian@primenet.com (Sbrian@primenet.com) wrote:
>From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
>Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 08:30:26 -0700 (MST)
>Subject: Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
>
>...As far as the Jews moving to contain the white racial backlash
>through organizational subversion, the Jews have been extremely successful
>in one organization I can think of known as the "The American Renaissance."
>This organization, headed by Jared Taylor, has twice invited a Jewish rabbi
>to speak at its national conference.
 
This is correct.  And not just the rabbi.  At the 1994 conference, three
other Jewish speakers were at the podium - Eugene Valberg, Larry Auster,
and Michael Levin.  Nearly =HALF= the speaker slots were thus filled by
Jews, which is bizarre considering that the conference purported to be
a white racialist gathering.  A similar Jewish presence, in spite of a
great deal of racialist criticism directed at AR on this issue since
the last conference, is already planned for this year's meet.
 
What bothers me is the apparent acceptance on the part of so many white
racialists in this movement of this.  Within our movement there is a
definite apathy in the face of this Jewish co-opting of part of the
movement.  There is also a trend in which it is frowned upon to mention
the Jewish dimension in our white racial dispossession, and still another
trend to regard Jews as 'whites' and to open the door to them.
 
These trends and this apathy coordinate into an effective political suicide
for this movement.
 
>Such undermining is reminiscent of what the Jews did to the John Birch society
,
>a group founded to rescue America from communist subversion.  After Jewish
>pressure was applied to its founder, the John Birch Society prohibited anyone
>from speaking out against Jews.  Another threat of racial nationalism was thus
>successfully neutralized.
 
When I was a teenager, I went to a JBS meeting in my area some years ago,
to consider the value of it and whether or not it was worth supporting.
The speaker was in fact a Jew, and the focus of his talk was the 'danger'
of 'totalitarianism' in the form of National Socialism and Fascism.  Not a
syllable was critically uttered about communism or any of the other myriad
Jewish-inspired threats against our people.  I was unimaginably disgusted.
 
The JBS is still around, and still attracting and neutralising a fair number
of idealistic and patriotic white americans.  It was an effective political
organisation in the 1950s and early 1960s, but after opening its doors to
Jews it quickly declined into its present sorry state.
 
>I asked a member of the American Renaissance why it allowed a rabbi to speak
>at its meetings.  "Well" he said "otherwise we wouldn't be allowed to stay
>at the good hotels and we have to hold our national conference at Lum's
>Eatery.  You see, the rabbi is good cover for our organization, allowing us
>to function without the burden of being considered anti-semitic.  Don't
>worry--we know about the jews" he added with a conspiratorial whisper.
 
That is the kind of stupidity that appalls me: 'We mustn't be considered
anti-Semitic!'  The next easy step, of course, is to fret over the
possibility of being branded a 'racist' - which is precisely what much
of the hand-wringing from Jews and Christians at the 1994 AR Conference
revolved around.  The fret was: 'is it =moral= to be a racialist?'
 
Our entire race is facing global extinction, and we witness a 'white'
organisation obviously dominated by Jews, that still cannot clearly
and forthrightly embrace white racialism.
 
>How can we win a war when we cannot identify the enemy?
 
The simple answer is that we cannot.  Therefore time, money, and energy
that would otherwise be siphoned off and wasted on a Jewish-dominated
organisation, should be directed towards more worthy efforts.
 
>At the very least, A.R. is an ultimately ineffective organization, being
>incapable of openly identifying the real causes of America's decline, and at
>the worst it is confusing patriots of goodwill as to who their real enemy is.
 
Precisely right.
 
>For an organization that is less kosher, I suggest examining the ideology of
>the National Alliance.
>
>"What we must have, however, is a thorough ROOTING OUT of Semitic and other
>non-Aryan values and customs everywhere. We must once again provide the sort
>of social and spiritual environment in which our own nature can express
>itself in music, in art and architecture, in literature, in philosophy and
>scholarship, in the mass media, and in the life-styles of the people."
>>From "What is the National Alliance?"  (Emphasis added.)
 
Those are words of wisdom.  We ignore them at our peril.
 
 

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Subject:     Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
Sent:        5/18/96 12:58 AM
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From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 21:58:22 -0700
Subject: Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
 
 
On Wed, 15 May 1996, mckinney@usaor.net (Mckinney@usaor.net) wrote:
>From: Ian McKinney 
>Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:48:24 -0500
>Subject: Re: SF: White Nationalism and the Election
> 
>At 03:30 PM 5/14/96 GMT, you wrote:
 
[re Jewish entry involvement with the John Birch Society:]
>...Nonetheless, It was probably one of their most successful Jewish
>subversion operations. The JBS wasted vast amounts of Aryan money and
>energy.
 
My feeling is that Jewish entry into the JBS is but one front of many,
or one level of many.  Today's 'neo-conservative' phenomenon is almost
entirely Jewish also.  In fact the heavy involvement of Jews with the
Republican Party itself has shifted this entire spectrum to the left,
or at least towards 'center'.  What has become paramount in all these
presently Jewish-dominated 'movements' and 'isms' is a deeper concern
for Israel and Israeli interests, a more profound respect for Jews
and Jewish opinion, and a general contemptuous rejection of racialism
or nationalism based upon Race.
 
Virtually every opinion or policy or statement, emanating from the
neo-conservative and Republican ranks, is first vetted by Jews and
filtered by Jews.  The question is never 'is it good for America?'.
The [concealed] question is always 'is it good for the Jews?'  And
of course the biggest sham of all is the juxtaposition of the two
together, in the increasing prevalence of the Jewish-inspired false
belief that 'what is good for Jews is good for America'.
 
>Beware of any so-called "patriotic organization" that does not deal
>forthrightly with both the race issue and the Jewish situation. I can only
>assume that any organization that practices that policy does it for one of
>three reasons: first, it is set-up by our enemies and operates for the same
>purpose as the JBS - waste money and resources. Secondly, it is made-up of
>persons of insufficient moral courage that know the truth, but instead
>prefer to play games. Frankly, if someone doesn't have the guts to say
>outright that the racial problem is the foremost danger we face and that the
>Jewish power structure is at least 99% behind  bringing about conditions
>that will cause our extinction, then what value can they be when censorship
>and attacks become more strident? And lastly, it is a worthless, made-up of
>fools and idiots, and thus not worth the time of day.
 
American Renaissance I think falls within categories [2] and [3] as you
outlined them.  The leadership in the former, and much of the rank and file
in the latter.  I don't know how else to categorise AR supporters who believe
that writing letters to the editor and contacting their congressmen will
retrieve our racial destiny.
 
>If Jared Taylor really wanted to put his Jews to work, then they should
>be attacking and exposing all the rotten activities of the Jewish power
>structure. He could then tactically avoid the "anti-semitic" label by
>saying that these are "good" Jews exposing "bad" Jews.
 
This is almost word-for-word what I suggested some months ago when AR was
under discussion.  My point then was that an excellent method of testing
the sincerity of these Jews was to challenge them to expose their fellow
Jews' nefarious anti-white genocide against our people.  After all, as Jews
they could do it without being rejected as 'anti-Semites' [they would be
labeled 'self-hating Jews' instead, an infinitely safer position than that
of the 'anti-Semite'].
 
To a certain extent, Professor Levin is willing to speak out =and= to a
certain extent he is not.  As for the other Jews involved with AR, they don't
really want to speak out at all about the actions of their fellow Jews; they
prefer to retain AR's policy of labelling all such anti-white Jews as 'white
liberals' and to conceal their Jewishness at all costs.
 
>Ben Freidman, obviously a
>Jew, could no longer stand the rotteness, and devoted the rest of his life
>and wealth in telling people what the Jews have been up to. Now that's a Jew
>that I can take seriously. If these Jews like Rabbi Schiller really wanted
>to be of service, then they should carry-out unremitting attacks on
>Hollywood, Zionism, and Communism; exposing the essential Jewish power
>behind these things and their destructive effects...
 
I agree.  We are talking about the concept of the 'righteous Jew', i.e.
the Jew that rejects all the evil and filth of his fellow Jews, and who
stands for truth and decency instead.  Do such 'righteous Jews' really
exist?  I think that there are =some=, yes, but they are incredibly rare.
 
It is important that as a people we assess other peoples on a group basis.
It would be the height of insanity to judge Jewry on the basis of the
actions of this or that 'righteous Jew'.  Jewry has to be assessed with
regard to that entire people's =group= impact on our racial destiny.
A certain percentile of Jews ['religious' or otherwise] are violently
and genocidally anti-white and stretch every fibre of their beings to
destroy us.  The vast bulk of Jewry actively or passively supports them
in this, in the belief that this is a survival mechanism: 'all goyim
are real or potential anti-Semites; even the best of the goyim must be
killed' is the [hidden/unspoken but clearly taught by Talmud] refrain.
 
The minute number of 'righteous Jews' who break ranks with the overwhelming
majority of their fellow Jews, are ostracised and persecuted by them.  Some
of them then conform, while others continue to speak out.  Jews have arrogantly
assumed the role of 'police' in that they 'police' the actions, writings,
and even thoughts of the goyim ['cattle'] world-wide.  But before 'policing'
the goyim, they police their fellow Jews first.
 
The sad thing is that solutions to our racial dilemma will have to include
a solution to this Jewish problem of dramatic dimensions, and that the very
few 'innocent' or 'righteous' Jews will undoubtedly share the deserved fate
of their people as a whole.  No one is to blame but the Jews themselves,
in their actions.
 
 

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Subject:     Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: john.andrew.mason@stormfront.org (John Andrew Mason)
Date: Sun May 19 1995
Subj: Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms

-> From: an385886@anon.penet.fi (Brian Richardson)
-> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:23:22 -0800
-> Subject: Re: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
->
-> American Renaissance is a Kosher Conservative organisation that had
-> Jews as speakers during a conference.  Some people on this list have
-> been suportive of their aims.  Not me.


American Renaissance NOT OT  "Kosher  Conservative" as you assert.  You
do not understand the true meaning of the word.  Rush Limbaugh is Kosher
conservative.  Not only will you not find a pundit like him at the
upcoming AR conference, but he will side with his Zionist controllers
and denounce the AR conference.  The fact that Jews support the edicts
of AR is simply because there are a good number of non-Zionist Jews who
have like-minded thoughts on White racialism and the survival of Western
culture.  The assertion that AR is a tool of Zionist Jews is totally
baseless and smacks of a very narrow mind indeed.

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Subject:     SF: American Renaissance and Kosher Konservative
Sent:        5/20/96 7:23 AM
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From:        Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca, bn946@freenet.carleton.ca
To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 07:23:44 -0400
Subject: SF: American Renaissance and Kosher Konservative
 
>
>From: john.andrew.mason@stormfront.org (John Andrew Mason)
>Date: Sun May 19 1995
>Subj: Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
>
>-> From: an385886@anon.penet.fi (Brian Richardson)
>-> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:23:22 -0800
>-> Subject: Re: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
>->
>-> American Renaissance is a Kosher Conservative organisation that had
>-> Jews as speakers during a conference.  Some people on this list have
>-> been suportive of their aims.  Not me.
>
>
>American Renaissance NOT OT  "Kosher  Conservative" as you assert.  You
>do not understand the true meaning of the word.  Rush Limbaugh is Kosher
>conservative.  Not only will you not find a pundit like him at the
>upcoming AR conference, but he will side with his Zionist controllers
>and denounce the AR conference.  The fact that Jews support the edicts
>of AR is simply because there are a good number of non-Zionist Jews who
>have like-minded thoughts on White racialism and the survival of Western
>culture.  The assertion that AR is a tool of Zionist Jews is totally
>baseless and smacks of a very narrow mind indeed.
 
AR IS indeed a Kosher Kon(artist)servative organization.  It doesn't take
rocket science to see that.
 
Les
 

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Subject:     Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
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From: Ian McKinney 
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:47:00 -0500
Subject: Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
 
At 06:39 PM 5/19/96 GMT, you wrote:
>From: john.andrew.mason@stormfront.org (John Andrew Mason)
>Date: Sun May 19 1995
>Subj: Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
 
>American Renaissance NOT OT  "Kosher  Conservative" as you assert.  You
>do not understand the true meaning of the word.  Rush Limbaugh is Kosher
>conservative.  Not only will you not find a pundit like him at the
>upcoming AR conference, but he will side with his Zionist controllers
>and denounce the AR conference.  The fact that Jews support the edicts
>of AR is simply because there are a good number of non-Zionist Jews who
>have like-minded thoughts on White racialism and the survival of Western
>culture.  The assertion that AR is a tool of Zionist Jews is totally
>baseless and smacks of a very narrow mind indeed.
 
        Kosher Conservative = Any so-called "conservative" organization,
group, club, doctrine, philosophy, etc., that does not deal forthrightly
with the Jewish Question. Pure and simple. AR does not do that. That does
not mean that I disagree or denegrate EVERYTHING they do. AR has a
reasonable newsletter that has some good articles, as far as it goes.
Taylor's book, Paved With Good Intentions, is good. However, I don't think
any serious patriotic Aryan could ever chose AR over the National Alliance.
In other words, why waste time and money?         
        Again, that doesn't mean that reading their newsletter is a waste,
but that supporting them in lieu of a REAL organization, that doesn't play
kosher games and unabashedly deals straight-out with the Jewish situation,
seems to me ridiculous. It's the Birch con all over : waste valuable Aryan
time and money while trying to play the sneaky race/Jew game. Look, if your
worried about being called nasty names by the fools, you're going to get
that even if you say you support Pat Buchanan. When they call you names,
make it mean something.
 
Ian McKinney
 

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From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:55:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: The American Renaissance

>American Renaissance NOT a "Kosher  Conservative" as you assert.
>This has always been my pet peeve:  the fact that Whites have lost the
>racial (tribal) cohesion which holds the Jews and other races together.
>The Jews must be congratulated, even admired, for brilliantly using this
>to their great advantage.  Instead of constantly harping about HOW they
>use it, we should be doing all we can to emulate it.  There is a
>wonderful article by Joseph Sobran in this months Journal of Historical
>Review which details Jewish power and White pussilanimity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I agree.  Let's emulate the Jews in their racial cohesion.  After all, they
of all people know how to survive.  Let's see what the Jews do to create
that cohesion.

1)  THE JEWS EXCLUDE THE GOYIM FROM MEDDLING IN THEIR AFFAIRS.  No Jewish
organization dedicated to Jewish racial and cultural matters, (e.g., the
ADL) would ever DREAM of inviting racially-conscious Whites to so much as
even ATTEND their conventions, much less give headnote SPEECHES.  The very
thought of the latter would be preposterous and laughable to any sensical
Jew.  And their prohibition against goy attendance would be all-the-more
enforced if the Jews faced the racial emergency Whites face.  However, the
American Renaissance, an organization purportedly dedicated to Western race
and culture, invites Jews to LEAD their discussions!

2.  THE JEWS VIEW OTHER RACES COLLECTIVELY.  The Jews know that racial
survival is too serious a business to screw around with talk of "good
Germans" and "bad Germans."  Generalization avoidance destroys a race's
ability to deal effectively with its enemies. The Jews know that the
survival of a race depends on its ability to identify and deal with its
racial enemies in collective terms.  The Jews know that any race that cannot
enact collective measures against other races cannot survive.  Any people
that is too "civilized," "enlightened," or squeamish to view another race as
an "enemy" is fit only for "the dungheap" as the Talmud says.  The Jews know
far better than many of us that we are locked in a death-struggle for
mastery of this planet, of which there will emerge only one victor:  either
the White man will finally destroy the Jews or the Jews will utterly destroy
him. But the American Renaissance is instead bent on playing the "good
jew/bad jew" game and thwarting any attempt to view the Jews as a collective
entity, thus thwarting effective action.

3)  THE JEWS DESTROY THEIR ENEMIES.  A race's enemies are those racial
groups that threaten and have traditionally had a destructive impact on the
race.  The Jews know that playing patty-cake with one's enemy is a fools
game.  No, the Jewish method of dealing with their enemies, as demonstrated
once again in the recent Lebanon shellings, is to attack them collectively
without drawing distinctions between "good" and "bad."

4)  THE JEWS HAVE AN "US AGAINST THEM" MINDSET.  The Jews' collective
orientation to their enemies also creates an "us against them" mentality
without which there can be no racial cohesion. The ends of Jewish
advancement, which is always to say White decline, are far better served
with Jews in the AR than if those Jews were excluded, because even assuming
the motivations of the Jews in AR are beyond reproach, their presence still
blocks the indispensable "us against them" mindset from taking root.

I am all for Whites having the racial cohesion of the Jews. And I also can
safely say that the approach of the American Renaissance will not create
White racial cohesion but rather will prevent it.

Brian Smith

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Subject:     SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
Sent:        5/20/96 11:31 PM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: an385886@anon.penet.fi (Brian Richardson)
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:31:47 -0700
Subject: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
 
 
>John Andrew Mason reponds to my posting
>
>American Renaissance NOT OT  "Kosher  Conservative" as you assert.  You
>do not understand the true meaning of the word.  Rush Limbaugh is Kosher
>conservative.  Not only will you not find a pundit like him at the
>upcoming AR conference, but he will side with his Zionist controllers
>and denounce the AR conference.  The fact that Jews support the edicts
>of AR is simply because there are a good number of non-Zionist Jews who
>have like-minded thoughts on White racialism and the survival of Western
>culture.  The assertion that AR is a tool of Zionist Jews is totally
>baseless and smacks of a very narrow mind indeed.
 
Say hello to the Rabbi for me Mr. Mason.  Anyone who can sit and listen to a
Jew discuss the decline of Western civilization (read: Aryan civilization),
without becoming nauseous does not have a healthy understanding of our
problem.  If you start playing 'good Jew bad Jew' you are Kosher
Conservative, and I stand by my description of AR as a Kosher Conservative
organization.  
 
14 Words!
 
Brian 
 

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Subject:     Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: Loudish@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:37:27 -0400
Subject: Re: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
 
John Mason wrote: 
>
>American Renaissance NOT OT  "Kosher  Conservative" as you assert.  You
>do not understand the true meaning of the word.  Rush Limbaugh is Kosher
>conservative.  Not only will you not find a pundit like him at the
>upcoming AR conference, but he will side with his Zionist controllers
>and denounce the AR conference.  The fact that Jews support the edicts
>of AR is simply because there are a good number of non-Zionist Jews who
>have like-minded thoughts on White racialism and the survival of Western
>culture.  The assertion that AR is a tool of Zionist Jews is totally
>baseless and smacks of a very narrow mind indeed.
>
 
What is a non-Zionist Jew? Is there really such an animal?
 
I suppose the point that needs to be reiterated is that Jews have
infiltrated our society and usurped our power. They have consistently
done this to other societies throughout their history. 
 
Pavlov proved that if an animal is shocked it will modify it's
behavior to avoid the source of the shock. 
 
My view is 'narrow-minded'.  Perhaps that is the price of vigilance. 

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Subject:     Re: SF: The American Renaissance
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From: Ralph Johnson 
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:52:30 -0700
Subject: Re: SF: The American Renaissance
 
At 01:55 AM 5/21/96 GMT, Sbrian@primenet.com wrote:
>  The Jews know
>far better than many of us that we are locked in a death-struggle for
>mastery of this planet, of which there will emerge only one victor:  either
>the White man will finally destroy the Jews or the Jews will utterly destroy
>him. 
 
Friends,  the Jews already own the planet.  The struggle is over.  It is not
in the future.  While it's trotted out that we are in a fight or it is in
the future the Jews already own the planet.  It is just that there is a
missconception about what this really means. Just like the Christians who
are chasing the idea that Jesus is coming back to rule for a thousand years
the Jews already rule.  They own the money of the planet.  They know they
can not have a Jew in Jerusalem cracking a dictatorial whip over the whole
world.  That would be too open.  That  would give the rest of the world
something to aim at. That is why the Jews always rule behind the scenes.
That is what I mean when I say they are where they want to be.  There are
not enough Jews to physically rule over the whole earth.  Just get the goy
vassels to do it for them.  That is what is going on now. There is no point
to stopping their future  actions.  The object is to remove their influence
where it now is. The idea that the ordinary Jew is to head a physical
political organization  over the whole earth is nonsense.  The Jew leaders
think nothing more of their religion than they do for the Christian
religion. The Jew with the money is not religious at all.  He is only
interested in power.  -+Money is their God
 

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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 21:08:05 -0400
Subject: Re: SF: The American Renaissance
 
>
>From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
>Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:55:05 -0700 (MST)
>Subject: Re: The American Renaissance
 
(snip- - agonizing over American Renaissance being called Kosher Konservative)
 
>I agree.  Let's emulate the Jews in their racial cohesion.  After all, they
>of all people know how to survive.  Let's see what the Jews do to create
>that cohesion.
 
We know what they do to create their cohesion.  They lie.  They cheat.  If
it's un-Aryan, they do it.  You want to become like them?
 
Les
 

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Subject:     SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:39:07 -0700
Subject: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
 
 
On Tue, 21 May 1996, an385886@anon.penet.fi (An385886@anon.penet.fi) wrote:
>From: an385886@anon.penet.fi (Brian Richardson)
>Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:31:47 -0700
>Subject: SF: American Renaissance and race/cultural terms
>
[Brian addressing himself to John Andrew Mason re the AR conference:]
>
>Say hello to the Rabbi for me Mr. Mason.  Anyone who can sit and listen to a
>Jew discuss the decline of Western civilization (read: Aryan civilization),
>without becoming nauseous does not have a healthy understanding of our
>problem.  If you start playing 'good Jew bad Jew' you are Kosher
>Conservative, and I stand by my description of AR as a Kosher Conservative
>organization.
 
I sat through it all at the 1994 AR conference.  I knew that Levin was going
to be there, that he was a Jew, and I thought I could handle =one= Jew at a
white racial conference even though I didn't like it.  I didn't know about
the rabbi, about Auster, about Valberg, or about the other Jews in the audience
.
The presense of the rabbi as a speaker was deliberately kept a secret by Jared
Taylor until the last minute.  The Jewishness of Auster and Valberg was also
concealed.  My feeling is that Mr Taylor engaged in a deception of the
attendees by concealing the heavy Jewish presense, before the conference.
 
When listening to the Jewish spin on racialism and white civilisaiton, a spin
that re-images everything and distorts things in a manner pleasing to Jews
and Jewish designs, I was sickened.  I literally did indeed feel nauseous
at several points.  Above all I had a strong impulse to check out of the
hotel, and head back to the airport, but I stuck it out.  I shouldn't have.
 
With the air fare, hotel accomodation, meals, and registration fee,
the whole thing set me back many hundreds of dollars.  I feel bad that
I didn't just stay home and donate that money to a =REAL= white racialist
organisation, such as National Alliance.
 
I think of all the money being wasted on this thing in Kentucky, and how
much good those funds could do if placed in more responsible hands.  Then
I think of how much money and energy have been wasted on other organisations
purporting to represent our people, that have been or are still dominated
by Jews, such as JBS and 'neo-conservatism'.
 
It is very possible that there are enough white racialists out there,
and enough money and energy, to really turn things around in this country.
The problem is that irresponsible white 'leaders' facilitate Jewish entry
and domination of these organisations, and their neutralisation/waste.
 
The irony is that these same 'leaders' verbalise mightily about the
phenomena of white treason, white sellouts, and white suicide.
 
Appalling.
 
 

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Subject:     SF: Fighting Jews by becoming Jews?
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From: murungu@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:39:19 -0700
Subject: SF: Fighting Jews by becoming Jews?
 
 
On Mon, 20 May 1996, bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Bn946@freenet.carleton.ca) 
wrote:
>From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
>Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:54:07 -0400
>Subject: SF: Fighting jews by becoming jews
> 
>> This has always been my pet peeve:  the fact that Whites have lost the
>> racial (tribal) cohesion which holds the Jews and other races together.
> 
>That's my pet peeve too.  Actually, more of a major piss-off.
 
Actually, this business of attributing to Jews racial cohesion and a pursuit
of their racial interests is mostly true, but it is also true to state that
=ALL= peoples of the earth have invariably held such healthy values.  Many
peoples have now lost such values, particularly our own people in this century,
but also some many non-Aryan peoples in Africa and Asia.  The period of
colonialism affords numerous examples of native peoples abandoning their
own cultures and values in favour of those of the [white] invader/settler.
 
What I am saying is that this phenomenon of a people appearing to commit
collective genetic suicide is =NOT= restricted to Aryandom.  I am very
tired of the voices suggesting that this 'disease' is an Aryan one and
that we as a people somehow 'deserve' our fate in consequence.
 
Even amongst Jews, there have been numerous examples of Jews and Jewish
organisations throughout Europe and elsewhere that have made serious
moves to abandon Jewish religion and Jewish culture, and to seriously
assimilate with and embrace the Aryan host populations.  Each time,
the rabbis have managed to bring the deviators to heel and to maintain
Jewish unity and exclusivity - usually on the basis of 'threats' and
perceived threats from the host peoples, manufactured or otherwise.
 
One point of interest is that Jews fanatically denounce racial values when
held by non-Jews, and viciously attack each and every formation of any
embodiment of racial consciousness on the part of Aryan peoples, yet
hypocritically practice such values themselves within their own Jewish
communities.  'Interfaith' marriages are usually frowned upon, Jews are
exhorted to have large numbers of children, marriage and family more
generally are held to be sacrosanct, and each and every phenomena is
subjected to the 'is it good for the Jews?' critical examination.
 
>> The Jews must be congratulated, even admired, for brilliantly using this
>> to their great advantage.  Instead of constantly harping about HOW they
>> use it, we should be doing all we can to emulate it.  
> 
>EXCUSE ME?!?  Become like jews to fight them?  I don't think so.  YOU
>might see nothing wrong with adopting jewish tactics and values, but I do...
 
Les is right.  To embrace the mind-set or values of an alien people, as a
move to safeguard/protect =our= racial community, is a serious error.
Each people's approach to racial values is tailored to the needs of that
community.  The Jews are particularly unique in that they have had a
diaspora experience and have usually been a minority population amongst
non-Jewish host populations.  Therefore their survival strategies have
always been somewhat different from otherwise similar strategies employed
by the Aryan peoples historically.
 
>Jews have *no place* in any pro-White organization WHATSOEVER.  While I am
>willing to allow that ther may indeed be jews who are honestly embarrassed
>by the routine excesses of their racial brethren, I am NOT willing to
>concede any position of leadership or responsibility to them.
 
Ironically, the glassy-eyed ones who aspire to emulation of Jews are the
same ones who readily admit Jews to 'white racial' conferences, such as
those held by AR in which half the speaker slots are turned over to Jews.
 
The 'irony' here is that =NO= Jewish effort to ensure the survival and
protection of Jews and Jewish culture would allow for non-Jews to assume
leadership or spokesman roles in such efforts.  Jews jealously guard such
roles for themselves only and rigorously exclude non-Jews.  Which is logical,
since if Jewish destiny is being decided then surely it is Jews who should
be deciding it.
 
Naturally, this clear principle applies to all peoples.  Aryan racialists
seeking control of our racial destiny very naturally require the rigid
exclusion of non-Aryans in such roles as leadership, thinking, writing,
and representation in any form.  We don't want or need a Chinese telling
us what Aryan culture is.  We don't want or need a Negro explaining our
history to us.  Above all, we most certainly don't require a Jew [the
very people so vigorous in pursuing our racial/cultural destruction
historically] to formulate our survival strategy and tactics.
 
Yet we have 'American Renaissance' happily allowing for a heavy Jewish
presence to discuss our [white] racial destiny and steps to be taken
to protect/preserve it.  This is a direct contradiction of the stand
taken by many short-sighted 'racialists' who advocate adoption of
the Jewish survival strategy.
 
 

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Subject:     Re: SF: The American Renaissance
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:07:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: SF: The American Renaissance
 
>From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
> 
>I agree.  Let's emulate the Jews in their racial cohesion.  After all, they
>of all people know how to survive.  Let's see what the Jews do to create
>that cohesion.
 
 
>>>We know what they do to create their cohesion.  They lie.  They cheat.  If
>>>it's un-Aryan, they do it.  You want to become like them?
>>> 
>>>Les
 
REPLY---------------------
 
 
No.  And your point is well taken.  To be more accurate I should have said
"let's emulate the survival skills in the Jew, but the ones which do not
violate our values."  Because I do believe we must maintain our Aryan values.
 
But we must also do what is necessary to survive and advance.  While it may
not be necessary for White survival that we adopt all of the Jews' tactics,
I do believe we could learn a few tactics about survival from the Jews,
tactics which do not contravene our values.  
 
These tactics are 1)  to exclude Jews from participating in any racial
organization (including the AR), just as they exclude us, because this is
what is best for our race. 2)  to view the Jews as a monolithic racial
entity for the sake of convenience 3)  to foster the "us against them"
mentality that is essential for the racial cohesion of any people 4)  to
view the struggle between Aryan and Jew as one ultimately implacable.  
 
These are survival tactics we can employ without compromising our Aryan
ideal of forthrightness.  These four tactics do not involve lying and
cheating, but rather, common sense and realism.  What is more, they are
necessary.
 
But the question of the Aryan survival values is another matter.  My point
is that we must adhere to our knightly ways--IF WE CAN.  But is it not true
that we must do WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to survive?  Are we "too good" to kill
innocents if that is what is necessary?  Are we "too good" to lie and cheat
is that is what is called for? Was not SS Commando Otto Skorzeny's tactic of
dressing up in American uniforms and wreaking havocs behind enemy lines a
SUBTERFUGE?  Were the "by any means necessary" methods used in the Turner
Diaries un-Aryan?
 
Is not SURVIVAL the supreme value?  
 
Whether lying and cheating are wrong depends on to what ends those means are
being applied.  What decides whether an action is moral or immoral is the
extent to which the action serves or confounds the One Purpose of advancing
our race along its Path.  
 
Doing whatever it takes to survive should be the guide for our actions, not
whether it befits knighthood or whether it "looks Jewish."  Our race's
values of altruism, valor, intrepidness, chivalry, fairness, sympathy, and
objectivity make us the world's most noble and advanced race.  But these
qualities must be directed to and reserved for OUR RACE ONLY. If those
qualities are directed towards other races, they will become weapons to
destroy us.  
 
Brian Smith
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: Ian McKinney 
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:38:41 -0500
Subject: Re: SF: The American Renaissance
 
At 07:52 PM 5/21/96 GMT, you wrote:
>From: Ralph Johnson 
>Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:52:30 -0700
>Subject: Re: SF: The American Renaissance
> 
  The Jew leaders
>think nothing more of their religion than they do for the Christian
>religion. The Jew with the money is not religious at all.  He is only
>interested in power.  -+Money is their God
 
 
They all may not believe in a "God", but they are imbued with the philosophy
of the Talmud and it's contempt for the rest of humanity. In that sense
almost all these Jews are "religious" - at least with regard to the
fundamentals of THEIR religion. 
 
All things eventually come to an end, and so will the so-called "Jewish
Century".
 
Ian McKinney
 

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Subject:     SF: Survival (was: The American Renaissance)
Sent:        5/24/96 2:53 PM
Received:    5/25/96 1:14 PM
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From: bn946@freenet.carleton.ca (Les Griswold)
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:53:45 -0400
Subject: SF: Survival (was: The American Renaissance)
 
>
>From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
>Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:07:40 -0700 (MST)
>Subject: Re: SF: The American Renaissance
> 
>>From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
>> 
>>>I agree.  Let's emulate the Jews in their racial cohesion.  After all, they
>>>of all people know how to survive.  Let's see what the Jews do to create
>>>that cohesion.
> 
>>We know what they do to create their cohesion.  They lie.  They cheat.  If
>>it's un-Aryan, they do it.  You want to become like them?
> 
>No.  And your point is well taken.  To be more accurate I should have said
>"let's emulate the survival skills in the Jew, but the ones which do not
>violate our values."  Because I do believe we must maintain our Aryan values.
 
That's a whole different kettle of fish, then.
 
>But we must also do what is necessary to survive and advance.  While it may
>not be necessary for White survival that we adopt all of the Jews' tactics,
>I do believe we could learn a few tactics about survival from the Jews,
>tactics which do not contravene our values.  
> 
>These tactics are 1)  to exclude Jews from participating in any racial
>organization (including the AR), just as they exclude us, because this is
>what is best for our race. 2)  to view the Jews as a monolithic racial
>entity for the sake of convenience 3)  to foster the "us against them"
>mentality that is essential for the racial cohesion of any people 4)  to
>view the struggle between Aryan and Jew as one ultimately implacable.  
 
There's no "convenience" in viewing the jews as a "monolithic racial
entity".  The jews ARE a monolithic racial entity, and the occaisional jew
who CLAIMS not to be part of this does not invalidate the conclusion.
 
>These are survival tactics we can employ without compromising our Aryan
>ideal of forthrightness.  These four tactics do not involve lying and
>cheating, but rather, common sense and realism.  What is more, they are
>necessary.
> 
>But the question of the Aryan survival values is another matter.  My point
>is that we must adhere to our knightly ways--IF WE CAN.  But is it not true
>that we must do WHATEVER IS NECESSARY to survive?  Are we "too good" to kill
>innocents if that is what is necessary?  Are we "too good" to lie and cheat
>is that is what is called for? Was not SS Commando Otto Skorzeny's tactic of
>dressing up in American uniforms and wreaking havocs behind enemy lines a
>SUBTERFUGE?  Were the "by any means necessary" methods used in the Turner
>Diaries un-Aryan?
 
Deception has merit as a tool in fighting the enemy.  But all too many
so-called "white nationalists" hide behind the noble concept of
"deception" when the plain truth is, they're too chicken-shit to tell it
like it is.  The B'Nai B'irch is like this; so too, apparently, is AR.
 
>Is not SURVIVAL the supreme value?  
 
No.  QUALIFIED survival is.  
 
Les

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Subject:     Re: SF: Survival
Sent:        5/25/96 12:00 PM
Received:    5/27/96 10:28 PM
From:        Sbrian@primenet.com, sbrian@primenet.com
To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: sbrian@primenet.com (XXXX)
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 09:00:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: SF: Survival


>Deception has merit as a tool in fighting the enemy.  But all too many
>so-called "white nationalists" hide behind the noble concept of
>"deception" when the plain truth is, they're too chicken-shit to tell it
>like it is.  The B'Nai B'irch is like this; so too, apparently, is AR.


And it seems the American Renaissance members I talked to have actually
succeeded in kidding themselves that AR's fainthearted and ineffective
strategy of "deception" is sheer genius and a viable plan for "pulling one
over" on the Jews.  The rareness of self-honesty makes it natural to conceal
one's own cowardice with self-congratulation.


>>Is not SURVIVAL the supreme value?
>No.  QUALIFIED survival is.


Les, I'm not sure what is meant by qualified survival.  Please explain further

Brian Smith

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Subject:     SF: Qualified Survival
Sent:        5/27/96 11:21 PM
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To:          jamie@voyager.net

From: fenix@smartnet.net (Dennis Nix)
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 22:21:16 -0500
Subject: SF: Qualified Survival
 
Brian Smith said: "Les, I'm not sure what is meant by qualified survival.
Please explain further..."  I propose this answer: Qualified survival today
is: "Please, Solly, let me eat the crumbs that fall from your table..."
 
If we're too weak to win now, we can at least survive and continue to
prosyletize as best we can until the time is ripe - and I don't mean
survive by hiding in the woods like Randy Weaver.  Basically that is what
Pierce said on 60 minutes.  Of course, Pierce thinks it will take a
revolution and is preparing people for it.
 
Jared Taylor thinks we might be able to gain adherents and build strength
through established means.  Taylor has his plan, and maybe in the position
he is (and we are) in it, it's not a bad one.  The fact is Jews can say
things and get quoted more fairly than he (or we) can.  I've noticed that
neither Pierce nor Taylor hide behind pseudonyms.  Whenever he gets a
chance, Taylor speaks before college groups, racially-oriented groups like
the CofCC and American Nationalist Union, and on TV and radio.  I
understand that he talks forthrightly about race, or at least that's what
I've heard.  He certainly does in his AR newsletter.  There are some blacks
and a few Jews who are willing to work with us for separation.  No need to
alienate them needlessly.  Taylor may be right or he may be wrong.  He may
succeeed or fail.  But he's doing something.  Let's don't do anything to
hurt his effort.  Work your own angle, if you don't like his.
 
A point of curiousity: At this weekend's AR conference, what proportion of
speakers were Jewish and what proportion of attendees were Jewish?  If
someone attended, please give us a report.
 
Pierce and Taylor are both doing something in their own way.  What are you
doing?
 
I'm new to this BBS.  Is it a circle jerk, or a forum to discuss events,
develop a network, etc.?   What are you doing to educate or motivate people
that I can help with?
 
 

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