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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Jason P"  wrote in message 
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>>  wrote in message 
>> news:EbednY-P_tHQRUDbnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> "Jason P"  wrote in message 
>>> news:13dr3mrn0lgid86@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> Surly you don't expect McVay to be honest and write anything 
>>>> remotely resembling the truth.
>>> And how would you know what the truth is?
> 
>> I know McVayby is deceptive and dishonest
> 
> No you don't.
> 
> It's merely an idiotic, reflexive comment by a typical denier.
> 
> Show us evidence.
> 
>>> I doubt you're even capable of reading a book of history.
> 
>> That so...? Well that's insightful!
> 
> It takes no insight to note that someone who posts the content you 
> post is likely an uneducated halfwit, with no knowledge at all of the 
> history he denies.
> 
> Tough shit!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
Philty, you are the biggest shit around, posting cartoons as real photos 
for proof of the Holohoax.
Js


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Dimwitted Szaki aka Protagonist, the Moron of Monrovia,   wrote:
>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Leading Revisionist Moron Protagonist, aka Dimwit the Szaki,
>>>>> the Village Idiot of Pleasanton,   wrote:
>>>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Szaki the Proctagonist, the Village
>>>>>>> Idiot of Pleasanton,   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish my work place would be this clean!
>>>>>>>> All on 300 calories/day!
>>>>>>>> http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_ph.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005189&MediaId=653
>>>>>>> I don't see the part where the Monowitz prisoners are mentioned, Dimwitted Szaki. Is
>>>>>>> there some reason you chose not to provide such a link?
>>>>>> Was there Siemens  factory in Birkenau, idiot?
>>>>> Evasion noted, Dimwit the Szaki.
>>>> What evasion, Holohoax salesman?
>>> Dimwit the Szaki did not provide a link to Buna Soup. As always, he evaded, tucked yellow
>>> tail, and ran for the hills.
>>>
>>>>> We are not concerned with where the Siemens factory was, we are concerned with the Buna
>>>>> factory at Monowitz, dimwitted saki.
>>>> Psycho hippi, you asked me for the link!!!
>>> Yet Dimwit the Szaki did not provide it!
>>>
>>>>>> I don't see the part where the Monowitz prisoners are mentioned, 
>>>> Dimwitted Szaki.
>>>> Is there some reason you chose not to provide such a link?<<
>>> Evasion noted, Dimwit the Szaki - as always, when confronted with evidence of your
>>> cowardice, you tuck tail and run.
>>>
>>> "Chickensh*t," isn't the the Hungarian word for szaki?
>> Chickensh*t is the word for idiot Holohoax salesman like you!
> 
> Translation: "I. Dimwit the Szaki, concede that I failed to provide a link which
> addressed the Buna Soup Monowitz Diet. I lied when I claimed I had. I ALWAYS lie."
> 
> You're welcome, Village Idiot of Pleasanton.

You've been eating too much Buna soup perhaps, Holohoax salesman!
JS

On April 15, 1946, Rudolf Hoess, the infamous Commandant of the 
Auschwitz death camp testified at the Nuremberg International Military 
Tribunal about the conditions that were found in the camps by the 
American liberators:

The following quote is from the trial transcript of the Nuremberg 
International Military Tribunal:

DR. KAUFFMANN: To what do you attribute the particularly bad and 
shameful conditions, which were ascertained by the entering Allied 
troops, and which to a certain extent were photographed and filmed?
HOESS: The catastrophic situation at the end of the war was due to the 
fact that, as a result of the destruction of the railway network and of 
the continuous bombing of the industrial plants, care for these 
masses--I am thinking of Auschwitz with its 140,000 internees--could no 
longer be assured. Improvised measures, truck columns, and everything 
else tried by the commanders to improve the situation were of little or 
no avail; it was no longer possible. The number of the sick became 
immense. There were next to no medical supplies; epidemics raged 
everywhere. Internees who were capable of work were used over and over 
again. By order of the Reichsführer, even half-sick people had to be 
used wherever possible in industry. As a result every bit of space in 
the concentration camps which could possibly be used for lodging was 
overcrowded with sick and dying prisoners.

When the American liberators arrived at Dachau on April 29, 1945, they 
found 30,000 inmates crowded into a camp that had been built for 5,000. 
Half of those 30,000 prisoners had been in the Dachau camp for two weeks 
or less. They had been brought from other camps that were evacuated in 
the last days of the war. When the Americans set up War Crimes Enclosure 
No. I, the capacity of the prison was set at 30,000 men and women.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/NaziPrison.html


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article <4392-46DE336D-594@storefull-3153.bay.webtv.net>,
> Curly C  wrote:
> 
>> The Jews And The Concentration Camps:
>> A Factual Appraisal By The Red Cross. 
> 
>    The Red Cross never made any such "Factual Appraisal":
> 
>    "Consequently the ICRC considers it must make clear the fact that
> it has never published -- or even compiled -- statistics of this kind
> which are being falsely attributed to it. The work of the ICRC is to
> help war victims, not to count them. In any case, how could its
> delegates have obtained data for such statistics? They were able to
> enter only a few concentration camps, and then only in the final days
> of the war."
> 
>    Source:  Bulletin No. 25 of the International Committee of the Red
> Cross,  1 February 1978.
> 
> RJ.

We should all believe to a Swede Jew, don't we?
JS


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On April 15, 1946, Rudolf Hoess, the infamous Commandant of the 
Auschwitz death camp testified at the Nuremberg International Military 
Tribunal about the conditions that were found in the camps by the 
American liberators:

The following quote is from the trial transcript of the Nuremberg 
International Military Tribunal:

DR. KAUFFMANN: To what do you attribute the particularly bad and 
shameful conditions, which were ascertained by the entering Allied 
troops, and which to a certain extent were photographed and filmed?
HOESS: The catastrophic situation at the end of the war was due to the 
fact that, as a result of the destruction of the railway network and of 
the continuous bombing of the industrial plants, care for these 
masses--I am thinking of Auschwitz with its 140,000 internees--could no 
longer be assured. Improvised measures, truck columns, and everything 
else tried by the commanders to improve the situation were of little or 
no avail; it was no longer possible. The number of the sick became 
immense. There were next to no medical supplies; epidemics raged 
everywhere. Internees who were capable of work were used over and over 
again. By order of the Reichsführer, even half-sick people had to be 
used wherever possible in industry. As a result every bit of space in 
the concentration camps which could possibly be used for lodging was 
overcrowded with sick and dying prisoners.

When the American liberators arrived at Dachau on April 29, 1945, they 
found 30,000 inmates crowded into a camp that had been built for 5,000. 
Half of those 30,000 prisoners had been in the Dachau camp for two weeks 
or less. They had been brought from other camps that were evacuated in 
the last days of the war. When the Americans set up War Crimes Enclosure 
No. I, the capacity of the prison was set at 30,000 men and women.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/NaziPrison.html


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US and Israel should be jealous , how clean the work place were in 
Auschwitz!
Now days, USIsrael multi-billion $$$ companies don't even provide health 
care for it's workers.
In California, out of 35 million inhabitance, 9 million don't have 
health insurance and from the 9 million, 5 million has jobs.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_ph.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005189&MediaId=653
JS


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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Brainwashed Prussian Blue Twins
> 
> http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=1256834677424104633
> 

Holocau$t Brain washed Ragland, thinks others are brainwashed, not him.
JS



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http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=107
This photo shows the contrast between healthy and sick survivors.

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=61
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=31
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=40
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=57
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=59
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=80
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=87

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=110

Typhus cases!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=111
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=114

Typhus victim!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=115

Healthy!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=119
JS



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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> That is the exactly the exaggeration I am talking about. If it wasn't 
>> imprisonment then it was a death camp. So why would a death camp had a 
>> kitchen. They are all going to die. so why feed them even.
>> The food supply was low. It was a war. Why feed the people whose going to 
>> die. They were imprisoned for security reasons, Just like Zionist imprison 
>> Moslems now in Abu Grab. Looks like Zionists learned something for their 
>> imprisonment during WWII.
> 
> There were many camps - over 10,000 - and they were established for many
> purposes. Some, like the Aktion Reinhard camps, were pure death camps. Others, like the
> Auschwitz camp complex, contained slave labour installations (Monowitz), death camps
> (Birkenau) and agricultural camps.
> 
> The question about kitchens is specious.
> 
>> During war times, receiving 300 hundred calories a day was a god send. 
>> People ate dogs and cats. Many starved to death. 
> 
> Bullshit. The NAZI guards did not receive 300 calories a day - they were well fed and
> healthy. 

So you think McVay, Da idiot of Vancuver, in todays US prisons, guards 
receive the same food, what prisoners receive?
If Monowitz only gave 300 cal/day per prisoner, prisoners had to get 
food from some where else, outside or were rewarded with coupons for 
hard work to buy more food with it.
It's called the reward system, I've been in similar one for a short 
time, long time ago.
I'm sure many prisoners were trying to avoid work, so food had to be earned.
JS



Slave labourers at Monowitz were fed 300 calories a day in a deliberate 
move to
> cause starvation and death within 3 months. Other camps fed their inmates even less, and
> some more, but the evidence is quite clear that deliberate starvation was a NAZI policy.
> 
> Now let's address your lies, and your cowardice in refusing to be held accountable for
> them, shall we?
> 
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims. 
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 
> Question 8:
> 
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
> 
> Question 9:
> 
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members 
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
> 
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
> 
> 
> Question 10:
> 
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
> 
>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
> 
> ...and...
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we 
> find, shall we?
> 
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary 
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination 
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of 
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting 
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five 
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of 
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such 
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs, 
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about 
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
> 
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
> says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03, 
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is 
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." 
> 
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, 
> he was lying - again.)
> 
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
> 
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
> or being shot."
> 
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
> 
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: 
> 
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, 
> now that they have been exposed.
> 
> Question 11:
> 
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a 
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
> 
> Please document when and where any of my children have 
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
> 
> Question 12:
> 
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
> 
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
> 
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
> 
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
> 


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Protagonist wrote:
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=107
> This photo shows the contrast between healthy and sick survivors.
> 
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=61
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=31
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=40
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=57
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=59
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=80
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=87
> 
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=110
> 
> Typhus cases!
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=111
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=114
> 
> Typhus victim!
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=115
> 
> Healthy!
> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=119
> JS
> 

 >>The working inmates received a daily ration even throughout 1943 and 
1944 of not less than 2750 calories, <<

 >>The regular diet thus described was frequently supplemented both on 
outside work and in the camps. <<

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=21
JS


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Protagonist, the Village
> Idiot of Pleasanton,   wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> So you think McVay, Da idiot of Vancuver, in todays US prisons, guards 
> 
> I do not live in Vancouver, dimwitted szaki. Never have, never will.
> 
>> receive the same food, what prisoners receive?
>> If Monowitz only gave 300 cal/day per prisoner, prisoners had to get 
>> food from some where else, outside or were rewarded with coupons for 
>> hard work to buy more food with it.
> 
> No, dimwit the szaki, they simply starved to death in 3-4 months.

It doesn't work that way, idiot.
You starve masses, they will riot.
You can only push people so far.
It didn't happen in Auschwitz, Monowitz or any where.
You are and your Holohoax stories are  paranoid delusions.
Auschwitz was a major manufacturing complex for the Germans, with many 
sub-camps.
They also needed many skilled laborers.
To run a mfg. operation, you don't just kill off skilled labors, since 
it takes time to train new ones.
Try to run a big corporation, employing thousands of people, but every 
2-3 months your employee gets killed off and have to be replaced.
Some sub-camps built aircraft parts, ammunitions, high tech stuff etc... 
need trained people!
I'm sure all the thousands of people brought in many were criminals, 
political prisoners, people for some reason considered particularly 
dangerous to the Third Reich, prisoners found guilty of breaking camp 
discipline, or those who were thought to be participating in the camp's 
or outside underground movement or planning to escape, I'm sure these 
weren't pampered by the guards.
JS







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So many children survivors!
According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to 
work were gassed upon arrival!
What happened?
See the video:
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_fi.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005131&MediaId=174
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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 5, 8:49 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Protagonist wrote:
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> This photo shows the contrast between healthy and sick survivors.
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> Typhus cases!
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> Typhus victim!
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> Healthy!
>>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>>> JS
>>  >>The working inmates received a daily ration even throughout 1943 and
>> 1944 of not less than 2750 calories, <<
>>
>>  >>The regular diet thus described was frequently supplemented both on
>> outside work and in the camps. <<
>>
>> http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?inde...
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> Who don't you answer McVAy; you made these allegations. Can you prove
> them?
> You are like Snow.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 
Are you talking to me?
JS


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Are you sure Holman, Auschwitz children didn't escape and live with wolfs?
http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
JS

Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> So many children survivors!
>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to 
>> work were gassed upon arrival!
> 
> Unh, no. 
> € the cut-off age was, as a rule, 14.
> € all gassings were ordered stopped in November, 1944.
> € deportations to Auschwitz continued until mid January, 1945.
> 
>> What happened?
> 
> Circumstances changed. 
> 
> Jewish children and adults unfit to work more valuable to the Nazis dead 
> than alive for most of the war. 
> 
> When it became obvious to those in the know that Germany could not win 
> the war, this becoming increasingly clear in early 1944 as the Wehrmacht 
> was retreating from the USSR with the Red Army in their wake, 
> Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler in particular, began to understand that 
> he could use Jews as bargaining chips, and he opened secret negotiations 
> with the Western Allies to exchange them for fuel, trucks, a separate 
> peace, or safe passage for him and his confederates. Jewish children and 
> adults unfit to work were suddenly more valuable to the Nazis alive than 
> dead, because they could be exchanged for things that Germany needed. 
> 
> None of these plans came to anything, but in March, 1945 Himmler did 
> succeed in negotiating a deal with Folke Bernadotte of the Swedish Red 
> cross that resulted in over more than 20,000 detainees in concentration 
> camps in northern Germany, among whom a few thousand were Jews, being 
> handed over to the Swedish Red Cross and evacuated to Sweden. This at 
> least freed space and resources in concentration camps, and allowed 
> Germany, by then a society in chaos and disintegration, to use these 
> resources to accommodate some of the millions of displaced persons from 
> bombed out cities and refugees pouring into the country in front of the 
> advancing Red Army. For details about this often forgotten but important 
> rescue operation, see the article at 
> http://www.jstor.org/view/00220094/ap010108/01a00030/0.
> 
> Most cynically, the sudden discovery of thousands of abandoned women, 
> children, infirm, and elderly people at concentration camps would mean 
> that the advancing Red Army would be confronted with an unexpected 
> humanitarian disaster and have to devote time, energy, and resources to 
> taking care of them, thus enabling Germany to buy time. This is 
> precisely what happened at Auschwitz, where the Red Army was forced to 
> temporarily halt its advance westward because it was simply unable to 
> ignore the thousands of abandoned detainees that it found there. 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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Philty, if there were no gas chambers, how they killed all those children?
Escaped and Lived with wolfs?
http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
JS


Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Sep 6, 2:17 am, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> So many children survivors!
>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to
>> work were gassed upon arrival!
> 
> Nope, not what the history says at all.
> 
>> What happened?
> 
> Ah, you're a stupid liar, Julius.
> 
> (quote)
> 
> The total number of Jewish children deported to and murdered in
> Auschwitz is impossible to determine.  However, one is able to shed
> light on the
> scale of the deportations by analyzing the preserved transport lists
> that
> include the ages of the deportees.
> 
> For France, the lists of names of Jews transported from the transit
> camp at Drancy and other localities have been preserved almost
> entirely.  Deportation of French Jews began on March 27, 1942, and
> ended on August 11, 1944.  A total of 71 transports comprised 69,119
> persons, including at least 9,820 children and juveniles under the age
> of 17.  Of these youngsters, 7,368 were under age 14.  The largest
> number of children arrived in 1942 during July, August, and September.
>  For example, in the August 19 transport, more than half (582) of the
> 1,000 deportees were children.  In the August 26 transport, 552 of the
> 1,057 deportees were children.
> 
> The lists of names of Jewish deportees from Belgium also have been
> preserved almost entirely.  Deportations from Belgium commenced in
> 1942 and continued until 1944.  Among the 24,906 Belgian Jews deported
> to Auschwitz in 27 transports, there were 4,654 children and juveniles
> under age 16.
> 
> Documents pertaining to the transports of Jews from Germany and
> Austria to Auschwitz also have been preserved.  Nearly all these
> transports were supervised by the Berlin Gestapo.  Among the 20,000
> deportees shipped to Auschwitz from 1942 to 1945, more than 2,500 were
> children and juveniles.
> 
> Beginning in July 1942, transports of Jews from the Netherlands began
> arriving in large numbers, mainly via the transit camp at Westerbork.
>>From 1942 through 1944, the total number of Jewish deportees from
> Holland reached about 60,000 persons in 68 transports. Of the 31,662
> deportees in 36 transports analyzed statistically by the Dutch Red
> Cross, 4,903 were children and juveniles under age 17.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Nearly completely preserved transport lists enable us to conclude that
> in 1942-1944, 46,099 persons were deported to Auschwitz from Terezin,
> including at least 6,460 children and juveniles under age 17 and 5,067
> children under 14.
> 
> Deportations of Jews from Greece began in the middle of March 1943.
> Most of the transports originated in Salonika.  During 1944, three
> transports carrying Jews originated in Athens and Rhodes.  From March
> 15 to August 7, 1943, 48,633 Greek Jews from Salonika arrived at
> Auschwitz; only 11,747 of them were placed in the camp after
> selections were made.  The remainder, who constituted nearly 80
> percent of the deportees, were put to death in the gas chambers,
> including about 12,000 children.  In 1944, about 6,000 more Jews from
> Athens and the islands of Corfu and Rhodes were deported to Auschwitz;
> a considerable number of them were children.
> 
> Auschwitz-bound transports of Italian Jews also carried children.
> Deportations of the Jewish population from Italy began in the second
> half of 1943 and reached its peak in 1944.  The first transport,
> carrying 1,030 Jews from Rome, reached Auschwitz on October 23, 1944.
> Aboard were 296 children and juveniles under age 17.  One hundred
> ninety-three of the children were under 10 years old, and 20 were
> infants less than a year old.  Except for the first transport from
> Rome, no documents exist to indicate the number of children among the
> Jewish-Italian deportees.
> 
> [...]
> 
> These estimates allow us to conclude that at least 43,000 of the
> children and juveniles under age 17 who perished in Auschwitz had
> arrived in transports from France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany,
> Austria, Norway, Greece, the Terezin ghetto, Italy and the Soviet
> Union.  However, no figures are available that pertain to the largest
> groups of Jewish children-those sent to Auschwitz with their families
> from Hungary (438,000 persons) and Poland (300,000). Similarly, no
> data are available on the number of children who were among the Jewish
> deportees from Slovakia and Yugoslavia.  But we can conclude that
> children and juveniles constituted roughly 20 percent of these
> arrivals, or 185,000.
> 
> (end quote)
> 
> Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp
> Kubica
> p. 414-417
> 
> That's 228,000 children transported to Auschwitz. According to Kubica,
> only 940 children under the age of 14 remainded in the camp just a few
> days
> before the final evacuation.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Her is one thing most people do not know who it works. I have been at one 
> time involved in freelance Photography. But the principal is always the 
> same, The photographer take the picture and the decision what we will see is 
> taken by someone else. We will only see what the people in charge want us to 
> see. Take a good look at the Auschwitz and Birkenau picture and you will 
> only the worst kind of scenario to promote the holocaust but not any normal 
> photographs.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

Of course!
It is called Holohoax propaganda!
After WW2, Allies locked up all the documents of labor camps!
Since than  only shown to the public, what they want you to see and 
supports the Holocau$t propaganda.
JS

> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:ZtmdnS4hI43qN33bnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Are you sure Holman, Auschwitz children didn't escape and live with wolfs?
>> http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
>> JS
>>
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So many children survivors!
>>>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to 
>>>> work were gassed upon arrival!
>>> Unh, no. € the cut-off age was, as a rule, 14.
>>> € all gassings were ordered stopped in November, 1944.
>>> € deportations to Auschwitz continued until mid January, 1945.
>>>
>>>> What happened?
>>> Circumstances changed. Jewish children and adults unfit to work more 
>>> valuable to the Nazis dead than alive for most of the war. When it became 
>>> obvious to those in the know that Germany could not win the war, this 
>>> becoming increasingly clear in early 1944 as the Wehrmacht was retreating 
>>> from the USSR with the Red Army in their wake, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich 
>>> Himmler in particular, began to understand that he could use Jews as 
>>> bargaining chips, and he opened secret negotiations with the Western 
>>> Allies to exchange them for fuel, trucks, a separate peace, or safe 
>>> passage for him and his confederates. Jewish children and adults unfit to 
>>> work were suddenly more valuable to the Nazis alive than dead, because 
>>> they could be exchanged for things that Germany needed. None of these 
>>> plans came to anything, but in March, 1945 Himmler did succeed in 
>>> negotiating a deal with Folke Bernadotte of the Swedish Red cross that 
>>> resulted in over more than 20,000 detainees in concentration camps in 
>>> northern Germany, among whom a few thousand were Jews, being handed over 
>>> to the Swedish Red Cross and evacuated to Sweden. This at least freed 
>>> space and resources in concentration camps, and allowed Germany, by then 
>>> a society in chaos and disintegration, to use these resources to 
>>> accommodate some of the millions of displaced persons from bombed out 
>>> cities and refugees pouring into the country in front of the advancing 
>>> Red Army. For details about this often forgotten but important rescue 
>>> operation, see the article at 
>>> http://www.jstor.org/view/00220094/ap010108/01a00030/0.
>>>
>>> Most cynically, the sudden discovery of thousands of abandoned women, 
>>> children, infirm, and elderly people at concentration camps would mean 
>>> that the advancing Red Army would be confronted with an unexpected 
>>> humanitarian disaster and have to devote time, energy, and resources to 
>>> taking care of them, thus enabling Germany to buy time. This is precisely 
>>> what happened at Auschwitz, where the Red Army was forced to temporarily 
>>> halt its advance westward because it was simply unable to ignore the 
>>> thousands of abandoned detainees that it found there. 
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman 
> 
> 


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar szaki the Proctagonist   wrote:
>> RJ11 wrote:
>>> In article <2eCdneZLd9MtVkHbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>
>>>> British army video shows diseased inmates, moron.
>>>    Lt. Col. Johnston,  of the Royal Army Medical Corps,  had this to say
>>> after his inspection of the Belsen camp:  "There was obvious evidence of
>>> extreme and systematic starvation both in the living and the dead" (source:
>>> "The Belsen Trial",  page 46).
>> By whom, Allies?
>> Bombing all the transportation!
> 
> And yet the SS and local townsfolk were fat, healthy and sassy at the end of the war,
> while the inmates died like flies.
> 
> And yet, the British located 90 TONS of SS gourmet foodstuffs a few kilometers from
> Bergen-Belsen, Leading Revisionist Scholar Szaki the Dimwit.
> 
> Funny how those wascally Allies, "bombing all the transportation," didn't seem to have
> any impact whatsoever on GERMAN food supplies.

...and yet, most inmates were healthy and well fed also!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=107
This photo shows the contrast between healthy and sick survivors.

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=61
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=31
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=40
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=57
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=59
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=80
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=87

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=110

Typhus cases!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=111
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=114

Typhus victim!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=115

Healthy!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=119
JS


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Sep 5, 12:12 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> philipmath...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message
>>> news:2eCdneZLd9MtVkHbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Protagonist, the Village Idiot of
>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasanton,   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Typhus  and other diseases claimed most of deaths.
>>>>>>>>>>> Deliberately subjecting captives to conditions of starvation
>>>>>>>>>>> and disease
>>>>>>>>>>> is murder. Period.
>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't deliberate murder, McVay! At the end of war there
>>>>>>>>>> were cramped conditions in the overflown camps. Lack of food
>>>>>>>>>> and medicine!
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it was, Village Idiot of Pleasanton. Live with it - then
>>>>>>>>> explain how it was that SS
>>>>>>>>> camp staff and local citizens near the camps were healthy, fat
>>>>>>>>> and sassy while camp
>>>>>>>>> victims were starving, moron.
>>>>>>>>> I'll wait.
>>>>>>>> SS camp staff was only a few hundred, compare to tens of
>>>>>>>> thousands of inmates. Big difference.
>>>>>>> Not at all - they're all human beings.
>>>>>>>> SS staff and locals didn't have to eat the same food as inmates.
>>>>>>> And why is that, dimwitted szaki?
>>>>>>>> Even if they would share it wouldn't be enough for all inmates.
>>>>>>> It wouldn't do to share real food with untermensch, eh?
>>>>>>>> Auschwitz had over 100 thousand inmates at any time, takes lot
>>>>>>>> of food to feed them all, also managed them, don't you think?
>>>>>>> Sure did, and it was readily available;
>>>>>> Than, can you explain, why on photos most survivors look healthy,
>>>>>> moron of Vancouver?
>>>>> I do not live in Vancouver, Village Idiot of Pleasanton.
>>>>>> Even in Bergen-Belsen?
>>>>>> Did they eat only 300 calories a day, lying McVay, idiot of
>>>>>> Nizkor?
>>>>> Prisoners at Monowitz received 300 calories a day, dimwitted szaki.
>>>>> Those at
>>>>> Bergen-Belsen didn't get that much, as the British Army's
>>>>> liberation film clearly shows:
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/bergen-belsen/
>>>> British army video shows diseased inmates, moron.
>>>> Thousands died in typhus infections, not starvation moron.
>>> Nope, thousands died of starvation.
>>> When you starve someone, they more easily contract many infectious
>>> diseases.
>> No kidding, Philty!
> 
> Ah, it learned something!
> 
>> If a lice crawls up to your ass and infects you with typhus, than bye-bye!
> 
> Hardly, stupid. Typhus is easily treated. The US Army eradicated it in
> Belsen after two weeks.

Right!
By bulldozing all the dead into mass grave!

> 
> Poor health and nutrition makes it more likely you'll contract typhus.

Death from typhus is 60% in poor health and nutrition, 20% for the healthy!
JS

> 
> Are you really so stupid that you think offering whatever nonsense
> comes into that vacuum you call a mind is the same as people who know
> what they're talking about offering information?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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Click on the address below, statistical data in the Ukrainian Archives 
in the USA:

http://www.ukar.org/

What was the membership of this NKVD that we see above being so 
repeatedly blamed for the massacre of Ukrainians in the days before 
occupation by German forces? In my analysis [of statistical data in the 
Ukrainian Archives in the USA] presented by Yuri Shapoval, I arrive at 
the conclusion that the senior membership in Ukraine of the organization 
one of whose names became the NKVD was as follows:

Out of every 10 senior members of the Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine:

     * 6 were Jewish,
     * 2 were Russian,
     * 1 was Ukrainian, and
     * 1 was other.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR15/KGB_Jewish.html
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 7, 5:56 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Her is one thing most people do not know who it works. I have been at one
>>> time involved in freelance Photography. But the principal is always the
>>> same, The photographer take the picture and the decision what we will see is
>>> taken by someone else. We will only see what the people in charge want us to
>>> see. Take a good look at the Auschwitz and Birkenau picture and you will
>>> only the worst kind of scenario to promote the holocaust but not any normal
>>> photographs.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>> Of course!
>> It is called Holohoax propaganda!
>> After WW2, Allies locked up all the documents of labor camps!
>> Since than  only shown to the public, what they want you to see and
>> supports the Holocau$t propaganda.
>> JS
> 
> Why do you care one way or another?

I grew up on the Holohoax BS and I know it's a lie or half truth!
Last few years, since  the communist came back to power in Hungary, we 
have an expensive Holohoax museum (we never had one, even under 
communism) and praising the Jews, like never been before.
Even Israeli solders came to Hungary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRHczkdT1ls

Do you have Israeli solders parading in the US?
JS


> 
> The Jews are milking the Germans for some things that may or may not
> have happened.
> 
> You say you are a Hungarian.
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> What did the Jews do for the Hungarians other than sticking it to
> them?
> 
> What did the Germans do for the Hungarians other than sticking it to
> them?
> 
> Why are you not as concerned about Stalin's Jewish Communists who
> murdered thousands of your people instead of getting into the pro-
> hollo and anti-hollo argument?
> 
> Did you read Irving's book on the Hungarian Uprising or at least the
> first chapter in the book?
> 
> How do you know for sure if the holohustlers or if the deniers are
> telling the truth or lying?
> 
> What is it to you?
> 
> Have a nice vegetarian day!
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message
>>> news:ZtmdnS4hI43qN33bnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Are you sure Holman, Auschwitz children didn't escape and live with wolfs?
>>>> http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
>>>> JS
>>>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>> So many children survivors!
>>>>>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to
>>>>>> work were gassed upon arrival!
>>>>> Unh, no. € the cut-off age was, as a rule, 14.
>>>>> € all gassings were ordered stopped in November, 1944.
>>>>> € deportations to Auschwitz continued until mid January, 1945.
>>>>>> What happened?
>>>>> Circumstances changed. Jewish children and adults unfit to work more
>>>>> valuable to the Nazis dead than alive for most of the war. When it became
>>>>> obvious to those in the know that Germany could not win the war, this
>>>>> becoming increasingly clear in early 1944 as the Wehrmacht was retreating
>>>>> from the USSR with the Red Army in their wake, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich
>>>>> Himmler in particular, began to understand that he could use Jews as
>>>>> bargaining chips, and he opened secret negotiations with the Western
>>>>> Allies to exchange them for fuel, trucks, a separate peace, or safe
>>>>> passage for him and his confederates. Jewish children and adults unfit to
>>>>> work were suddenly more valuable to the Nazis alive than dead, because
>>>>> they could be exchanged for things that Germany needed. None of these
>>>>> plans came to anything, but in March, 1945 Himmler did succeed in
>>>>> negotiating a deal with Folke Bernadotte of the Swedish Red cross that
>>>>> resulted in over more than 20,000 detainees in concentration camps in
>>>>> northern Germany, among whom a few thousand were Jews, being handed over
>>>>> to the Swedish Red Cross and evacuated to Sweden. This at least freed
>>>>> space and resources in concentration camps, and allowed Germany, by then
>>>>> a society in chaos and disintegration, to use these resources to
>>>>> accommodate some of the millions of displaced persons from bombed out
>>>>> cities and refugees pouring into the country in front of the advancing
>>>>> Red Army. For details about this often forgotten but important rescue
>>>>> operation, see the article at
>>>>> http://www.jstor.org/view/00220094/ap010108/01a00030/0.
>>>>> Most cynically, the sudden discovery of thousands of abandoned women,
>>>>> children, infirm, and elderly people at concentration camps would mean
>>>>> that the advancing Red Army would be confronted with an unexpected
>>>>> humanitarian disaster and have to devote time, energy, and resources to
>>>>> taking care of them, thus enabling Germany to buy time. This is precisely
>>>>> what happened at Auschwitz, where the Red Army was forced to temporarily
>>>>> halt its advance westward because it was simply unable to ignore the
>>>>> thousands of abandoned detainees that it found there. 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Eugene Holman- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> 


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Is Ragland your new soldier McVay?
JS

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <5yXDi.13371$3x.13270@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> snow  wrote:
> 
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims. 
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 
> Question 8:
> 
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
> 
> Question 9:
> 
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members 
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
> 
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
> 
> 
> Question 10:
> 
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
> 
>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
> 
> ...and...
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we 
> find, shall we?
> 
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary 
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination 
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of 
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting 
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five 
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of 
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such 
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs, 
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about 
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
> 
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
> says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03, 
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is 
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." 
> 
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, 
> he was lying - again.)
> 
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
> 
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
> or being shot."
> 
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
> 
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: 
> 
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, 
> now that they have been exposed.
> 
> Question 11:
> 
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a 
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
> 
> Please document when and where any of my children have 
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
> 
> Question 12:
> 
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
> 
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
> 
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
> 
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
> 


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Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans and 
Vietnam.
Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any where 
in the world.
I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che guevara( 
very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, cars, bumper stickers.
But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every where, 
in some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or Germany.
I've never seen any one walking on the street with a Swastika or any 
other Nazi symbols on his T-shirt, any where.
What do they afraid of, after 60 years?
JS





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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> 
>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans 
>> and Vietnam.
> 
>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
> 
> Actually, the death toll from the so-called cold war was quite minor.

Right!
 >>Documents declassified by the Vietnamese government in 1995 revealed 
that 5.1 million people died during the Hanoi's conflict with the United 
States. Four million civilians died in the North and South. Total 
military casualties were put at 1.1 million and 600,000 wounded. Hanoi 
concealed the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the 
population.[125]<<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Casualties

North Korea and South Korea are still in a "state of aggression", in 
2007 - a peace treaty was never signed.
Estimated 4,000,000 Korean casualties, a majority being civilians.
U.S. lost estimated 36,570,100,000 wounded, cost $20-22 billion.
Cease-fire line was at the battle line.
Communism was "contained" in Korea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Korean_War_Massacre.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Americanexecuted1950korea.jpg

> 
>> Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any 
>> where in the world.
> 
> Since most of those countries have endured no pain from communism, why 
> is that surprising?

No pain from communism, Philty?
World commemorate the Holohoax every year, but quiet about the Soviet 
Gulags, ran till '89!
Grab yourself!
> 
>> I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che 
>> guevara( very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, cars, 
>> bumper stickers.
>> But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every 
>> where, in some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or 
>> Germany.
> 
> It is not banned everywhere. It is banned in countries, as the two you 
> named, which experienced the consequences of Nazism.

Officially, but in many countries it is a taboo.

> 
> Why is that so difficult to understand?

Seems, your the one not understanding any thing!
JS

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> 
>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:wuednRzEaI-F-H7bnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
> 
>>>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>>>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans 
>>>> and Vietnam.
>>>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of 
>>>> money.
>>> Actually, the death toll from the so-called cold war was quite 
>>> minor.
>> Right!
> 
> I know!
> 
>>>> Documents declassified by the Vietnamese government in 1995 
>>>> revealed
>> that 5.1 million people died during the Hanoi's conflict with the 
>> United States.
> 
>> North Korea and South Korea are still in a "state of aggression", in 
>> 2007 - a peace treaty was never signed.
>> Estimated 4,000,000 Korean casualties, a majority being civilians.
>> U.S. lost estimated 36,570,100,000 wounded, cost $20-22 billion.
>> Cease-fire line was at the battle line.
>> Communism was "contained" in Korea.
> 
> Is that the best you can do?
> 
> Clearly the Cold War was one of the least deadly of 20th century wars!

You forget, after WW2 plenty of nuclear weapons were stockpiled to avoid 
any major conflict.
Till the end WW2, there was no such mass destructive power.
Thanks for the Jews, now we have.

> 
> Thanks for confirming what I said.

You're only confirming your stupidity.
> 
>>>> Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any 
>>>> where in the world.
>>> Since most of those countries have endured no pain from communism, 
>>> why is that surprising?
>> No pain from communism, Philty?
> 
> Read what I wrote, stupid.
> 
> Since most counties have experienced no pain from communism, why 
> should they enact laws?

No laws against communism, because it's a Jewish invention.
It collapsed than just faded away.
Jews don't kill each other, eh?

> 
>>>> I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che 
>>>> guevara( very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, 
>>>> cars, bumper stickers.
>>>> But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every 
>>>> where, in some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or 
>>>> Germany.
>>> It is not banned everywhere. It is banned in countries, as the two 
>>> you named, which experienced the consequences of Nazism.
>> Officially, but in many countries it is a taboo.
> 
> No, it is taboo in countries with an intimacy of the horrors of a 
> despicable ideology.

Da horror is only the invention of Jews, like your self to make $$$$$!



> 
>>> Why is that so difficult to understand?
>> Seems, your the one not understanding any thing!
> 
> Why is that, stupid?

Look in the mirror some time!
JS

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:CJudnWDCzLEo6n7bnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com...
>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:wuednRzEaI-F-H7bnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>>>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans and 
>>>> Vietnam.
>>>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
>>> Actually, the death toll from the so-called cold war was quite minor.
>> Right!
>>>> Documents declassified by the Vietnamese government in 1995 revealed
>> that 5.1 million people died during the Hanoi's conflict with the United 
>> States. Four million civilians died in the North and South. Total military 
>> casualties were put at 1.1 million and 600,000 wounded. Hanoi concealed 
>> the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the population.[125]<<
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Casualties
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The village idiot of Pleasanton obviously doesn't know the difference 
> between the Cold War and war.  Fortunately for Julius Foolius, he cannot be 
> fired from his position in Pleasanton for being TOO stupid.

Single cell brain, McVay puppet, Rich, throwing insults around.
How much Mcvay paying you to , to vomit insults around on AR, Rich Da mouse?
JS




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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Proctagonist", the village idiot of Pleasanton,
> 
>   wrote in message 
> news:wuednRzEaI-F-H7bnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans and 
>> Vietnam.
>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
>> Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any where in 
>> the world.
>> I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che guevara( 
>> very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, cars, bumper 
>> stickers.
>> But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every where, in 
>> some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or Germany.
>> I've never seen any one walking on the street with a Swastika or any other 
>> Nazi symbols on his T-shirt, any where.
>> What do they afraid of, after 60 years?
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They're probably afraid of, at best, being ridiculed, or, at worst, of being 
> punched in the mouth.  Do you walk around with swastikas on your shirt, 
> Julie? 

Looks like, Jewish Holohoax, paralyzing peoples brain!


  Are you afraid to wear it?
No need, I'm not associated with the them.
Do you wear the star of David on your T-shirt at work, moron Zionist?
> 
> 



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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
> news:13e3uhbjpunra7d@corp.supernews.com...
>> On 9/7/2007 1:01 PM, Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what and how some of things work. We have here a Ozzie Asper
>> No Kurt.  There is no Ozzie Asper.  There is an Ozzie Osbourne, but that
>> is a different person completely.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> Well, since Ozzie Osbourne's wife is a jew, he must be part of the 
> conspiracy.

Her father Don Arden, was such a nice Jew asshole, though!

Don Arden
 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Don Arden (born Harry Levy, 4 January 1926, Manchester, England – died 
21 July 2007, Los Angeles) was an English music manager, agent and 
businessman, best known for overseeing the careers of rock groups The 
Small Faces, Electric Light Orchestra and Black Sabbath.

He achieved notoriety in England for his aggressive, sometimes illegal 
business tactics. He was the father of Sharon Osbourne (father-in-law of 
Ozzy Osbourne) and David Levy, by his wife, Hope Shaw, a former ballet 
dancer/teacher, who predeceased him, dying in 1998. [1]

Arden's success story turned sour when his violent 'negotiating' methods 
and questionable accounting caught up with him, and he became estranged 
>from members of his own family.

Estrangement from Sharon Osbourne

In 1979, one of Arden's successes Black Sabbath sacked their vocalist 
Ozzy Osbourne. Arden's daughter Sharon began to date Ozzy, and took over 
his management from her father.[5] Arden was livid. Reportedly, the next 
time Sharon visited Don, his vicious pet dogs savaged her.[7] She was 
pregnant, and lost the child.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Arden
JS

> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org 
> 
> 


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http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-faces.htm
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 9, 1:28 pm, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
> 
>> I'm paid $1,000,000 each month.  What does a village idiot get paid by
>> Pleasanton, Julius Foolius?
> 
> Holohustlering pays that good?
> 
> Have a nice holohustlering village idiot zionazi day!
> 
> 

McVay bangs him in the ass every day!
JS


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: places/poland/minsk minsk.001
> Last-Modified: 1993/12/03
> 
> Belarus remembers World War Two Jewish ghetto           
> By Larisa Sayenko 
> 
> MINSK, Belarus, Oct 20 (Reuter) - Leaders of the former Soviet
> republic of Belarus on Wednesday marked the 50th anniversary of the
> destruction of a Nazi ghetto in Minsk with visits to memorials and
> sites where Jews were shot en masse.
> 
> Commemorations of the ghetto, in which 100,000 died before the area
> was levelled in October 1943, entered the second of four days,
> attended by ministers anxious to demonstrate that relations between
> Belarussians and Jews were generally good.
> 
> "It is time to tell the truth -- that the Minsk ghetto was as big a
> symbol of Jewish genocide as Babi Yar and the Warsaw ghetto," Foreign
> Minister Pyotr Kravchenko said earlier this week, referring to Nazi
> atrocities in Ukraine and Poland.
> 
> The ghetto set up by Nazi occupiers had an inner area reserved for
> tens of thousands of Jews brought to Minsk by train from Hamburg.
> Large numbers of deportees were brought from France, Holland, Poland
> and Czechoslovakia.
> 
> The war had a devastating effect on Belarus as a whole -- two million
> people, or one in three residents, were killed and the country was
> left in ruins.
> 
> Before the outbreak of the war, there were 400,000 Jews in Belarus,
> many having settled there because they were banned from living in much
> of tsarist Russia.  Yiddish was declared one of four state languages
> in a 1920s Soviet-era constitution
> 

Of course they celebrate the Holohoax.
That's one of the condition (in fine print) to secure large loans from 
Jew run IMF and World Bank.
Hungry received large loans through Israel, now the country has Israeli 
solders parading there.
Last year, when riots broke out in Budapest, Israeli solders were 
brought in, to protect Jewish centers, synagogues, new Holohoax center.
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 6, 11:45 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Is Ragland your new soldier McVay?
>> JS
> 
> Ragland: You made unsubstantiated claims regarding the Holocaust and
> Jews. McVay went to
> to ask ask you to provide evidence and defend himself. Thus far you've
> failed too. I don't work
> for McVay; I'm not part of Nizkor team. I would also like you to
> answer the
> questions.

Are you one of them?
JS

 >>>Backed by a volunteer team of 65 sympathetic computer activists 
around the world, <<<
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.htm

> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>
>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article <5yXDi.13371$3x.13...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> snow  wrote:
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
>>> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
>>> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
>>> with documentary evidence.
>>> Question 1:
>>> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>>> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>>> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>>>    so called liberation."
>>> Please document your claims.
>>> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>>> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>>> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
>>> gassings are a "myth."
>>> Question 3:
>>> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
>>> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
>>> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>>> Please document these claims.
>>> Question 4:
>>> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
>>> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>>> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
>>> I made such a statement.
>>> Question 5:
>>> In article ,
>>> you wrote:
>>> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
>>> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
>>> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
>>> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>>> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
>>> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>>>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
>>> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
>>> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
>>> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
>>> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
>>> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
>>> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
>>> Queen's Bench.
>>>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
>>> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
>>> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
>>> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
>>> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
>>> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
>>> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
>>> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
>>> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
>>> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
>>> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
>>> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>>>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
>>> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
>>> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
>>> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
>>> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
>>> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
>>> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
>>> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
>>> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
>>> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
>>> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
>>> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
>>> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>>>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
>>> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
>>> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
>>> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
>>> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
>>> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
>>> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
>>> legislation.
>>> Question 6:
>>> In article , you wrote:
>>> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
>>> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
>>> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>>> Question 7:
>>> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>>> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
>>> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
>>> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>>> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
>>> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
>>> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>>> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
>>> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
>>> owners."
>>> Question 8:
>>> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
>>> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
>>> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
>>> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
>>> Jewish organizations."
>>> Question 9:
>>> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
>>> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
>>> the forefront of such edits."
>>> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
>>> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>>> Question 10:
>>> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>>>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>>> ...and...
>>>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>>> propaganda)
>>> Let's visithttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/and see what we
>>> find, shall we?
>>> Inhttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
>>> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
>>> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
>>> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
>>> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
>>> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
>>> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
>>> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
>>> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
>>> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>>> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
>>> In the filehttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02we find
>>> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about
>>> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>>> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
>>> says."
>>> In the filehttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
>>> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
>>> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>>> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
>>> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
>>> he was lying - again.)
>>> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
>>> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>>> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
>>> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
>>> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
>>> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
>>> or being shot."
>>> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
>>> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>>> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
>>> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
>>> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
>>> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
>>> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>>>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>>> propaganda)
>>> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
>>> now that they have been exposed.
>>> Question 11:
>>> In article , on August 15,
>>> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
>>> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>>> Please document when and where any of my children have
>>> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>>> Question 12:
>>> In article , posted on
>>> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>>> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -...
>>
>> read more »
> 
> 
> 


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 9, 5:51 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>> On Sep 9, 1:28 pm, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
>>>> I'm paid $1,000,000 each month.  What does a village idiot get paid by
>>>> Pleasanton, Julius Foolius?
>>> Holohustlering pays that good?
>>> Have a nice holohustlering village idiot zionazi day!
>> McVay bangs him in the ass every day!
>> JS
> 
> I do not like dirty talk.
> 

Get use to it, virginal boy!
JS


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  JERUSALEM - In a case that would seem unthinkable in the Jewish state, 
police said Sunday they have cracked a cell of young Israeli neo-Nazis 
accused in a string of attacks on foreign workers, religious Jews, drug 
addicts and gays.
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Eight immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been arrested in 
recent days in connection with at least 15 attacks, and a ninth fled the 
country, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, in the first such known 
cell to be discovered in Israel.

All the suspects are in their late teens or early 20s and have Israeli 
citizenship, Rosenfeld said.

"The level of violence was outrageous," Maj. Revital Almog, who 
investigated the case, told Israel's Army Radio.

A court decided Sunday to keep the young men in custody. They covered 
their faces with their shirts during the hearing, revealing their 
tattooed arms, and did not comment.

News of the arrests came as a shock in Israel, which was founded nearly 
60 years ago as a refuge for Jews in the wake of the Nazi Holocaust and 
remains a most sensitive subject. Any forms of anti-Semitism around the 
world outrage Israelis, and the discovery of such violence in the 
country's midst made the front pages of newspapers and dominated talk on 
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Zionist News
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Nice poster! (o:
JS

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Protagonist wrote:
> Nice poster! (o:
> JS
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/xy0110/Misc/photo#5108349632359386514

McVay can print it out, pin it on his bedroom wall!
JS



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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
> 
> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
> 
> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
> 
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these rules
> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken just as
> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice take
> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more
> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions at the
> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time at
> Birkenau."
> 
> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of that
> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much too
> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both Jews
> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 74,000,
> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of the
> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, which
> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
> figure in the first place.
> 
> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a while
> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not take
> up as much room as people would.

Also, needs to be said, HCN or Zyklon-B has a gassing out temperature of 
25C deg, that's why in Dachau, I think, Germans built a modern delousing 
chamber with hot air blower.
Auschwitz, so called gas chambers (morgues) were underground, all ways 
cooler, winter time even worst, colder. HCN would have a hard time for 
gassing out properly and kill people in masses.
JS


  But the Holocaust fiction requires that
> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps several
> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do so,
> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron in the
> bricks of the building.
> 
> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case however
> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would certainly
> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' barracks
> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the alleged
> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in buildings
> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that Nizkor
> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
> 
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue stains
> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas chambers
> would have had the same staining."
> 
> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on the
> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the delousing
> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue on
> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= Prussian
> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
> 
> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of the
> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside the
> guards' barracks.
> 
> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that sounds
> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of the
> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest of us.
> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher than
> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces of
> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, one
> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you is
> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you began
> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of cyanide
> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
> fumigations.
> 
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is not
> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may vary
> considerably under different circumstances."
> 
> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it =does=
> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an atmosphere
> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the rate
> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. That
> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue formation
> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable gas
> chamber scenario.
> 
> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark when he
> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.  "Apparently," my
> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by Alpha
> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation for
> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again and
> again.
> 
> Jerry Abbot. 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

Who's talking about gassing?
Modern delousing chambers.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html
http://www.nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html

JS


> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:BsidnUZLc7LJnnvbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>>>
>>> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
>>> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
>>> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
>>> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
>>> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
>>> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
>>>
>>> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
>>>
>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these 
>>> rules
>>> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken just 
>>> as
>>> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice 
>>> take
>>> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
>>> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more
>>> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions at 
>>> the
>>> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time at
>>> Birkenau."
>>>
>>> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
>>> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of 
>>> that
>>> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much 
>>> too
>>> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both 
>>> Jews
>>> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 
>>> 74,000,
>>> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of 
>>> the
>>> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, 
>>> which
>>> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
>>> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
>>> figure in the first place.
>>>
>>> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
>>> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a 
>>> while
>>> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not 
>>> take
>>> up as much room as people would.
>> Also, needs to be said, HCN or Zyklon-B has a gassing out temperature of 
>> 25C deg, that's why in Dachau, I think, Germans built a modern delousing 
>> chamber with hot air blower.
>> Auschwitz, so called gas chambers (morgues) were underground, all ways 
>> cooler, winter time even worst, colder. HCN would have a hard time for 
>> gassing out properly and kill people in masses.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>  But the Holocaust fiction requires that
>>> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
>>> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps 
>>> several
>>> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do 
>>> so,
>>> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron in 
>>> the
>>> bricks of the building.
>>>
>>> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
>>> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
>>> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case however
>>> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would 
>>> certainly
>>> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' barracks
>>> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the alleged
>>> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in 
>>> buildings
>>> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that 
>>> Nizkor
>>> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue stains
>>> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas 
>>> chambers
>>> would have had the same staining."
>>>
>>> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on 
>>> the
>>> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the 
>>> delousing
>>> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
>>> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue 
>>> on
>>> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
>>> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= Prussian
>>> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
>>>
>>> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
>>> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
>>> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
>>> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when 
>>> he
>>> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of 
>>> the
>>> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside 
>>> the
>>> guards' barracks.
>>>
>>> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that sounds
>>> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
>>> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of the
>>> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest of 
>>> us.
>>> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
>>> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher than
>>> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces of
>>> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, 
>>> one
>>> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you 
>>> is
>>> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
>>> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
>>> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you 
>>> began
>>> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
>>> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of cyanide
>>> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
>>> fumigations.
>>>
>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is not
>>> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may 
>>> vary
>>> considerably under different circumstances."
>>>
>>> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it 
>>> =does=
>>> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an 
>>> atmosphere
>>> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the 
>>> rate
>>> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
>>> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
>>> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. 
>>> That
>>> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue 
>>> formation
>>> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
>>> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable 
>>> gas
>>> chamber scenario.
>>>
>>> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark when 
>>> he
>>> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
>>> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.  "Apparently," 
>>> my
>>> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by Alpha
>>> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
>>> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation 
>>> for
>>> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again 
>>> and
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Jerry Abbot. 
> 
> 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Whatever it was claimed by the Jews or not some statements were made.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> 
> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
> news:Y_oFi.4996$eX2.1043@newsfe03.lga...
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:58:37 GMT
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>> I think he's suggesting that "Jews Claim That Gassing Were Done In
>> Dachau" 
> 
> 

Hey Kurt!
Read what I said!
Delousing or disinfection chambers, with hot air blowers!
JS


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Explains, why Americans massacred the German guard at Dachau?
Read at the end!
JS


http://www.codoh.com/answer/ansdachau.html

Gas Chambers at Dachau?



Dear AnswerMan,

I understand that it is now conceded by the Promoters that there were no 
homicidal gas chambers at Dachau although that information hasn't made 
it to all concerned. John Cardinal O'Connor of New York has recently 
spoken about "seeing" the gas chambers at Dachau, I'm sorry to say.

   I expect that he is referring to the Potemkin Village "shower head 
gas chamber" which I understand is on display at Dachau - with the claim 
that the Germans were thinking about using it. I have not visited Dachau 
and have not seen this display.

   My question, Anz, is what evidence do we have that the "shower head" 
display is a post-war construction, in short, a phony? I expect I'll 
need this in my campaign to inform the Cardinal.

A. Doyle



AnswerMan!AnswerMan Replies:

AN IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER about Dachau, as far as motive is 
concerned, is that when the US Army took the camp they immediately lined 
up several hundred German soldiers found there and machine gunned them 
to death. This is all laid out in grisly detail in Col. Howard A. 
Buechner's "Dachau: The Hour of the Avenger", which also makes it clear 
that this war crime was committed by American GI's after discovering 
what they thought was a "gas chambers" in the crematorium at the camp.

   The second important thing you have to keep in mind is that the 
Germans were very efficient in materials and the use of buildings. 
Crematoria were isolated from the general camp, for obvious reasons of 
morale. They generated heat. The Germans used that thermal energy to 
make hot water for showers in several camps.

   Every German camp also had to have delousing and disinfestation 
facilities to clean the clothing and persons of incoming arrivals. These 
were also usually isolated from the rest of the camp, to defeat the 
spread of disease.

   The point is that the Germans appear to have used their crematoria 
for more than one purpose: cremation, but also delousing and 
disinfestation. This is clearly shown by the fact that the Dachau 
crematorium has four standard delousing and disinfestation "gas 
chambers" of about 10 cubic meters each. These rooms would be used to 
disinfest the clothing of new arrivals, often using the insecticide 
Zyklon B. Next to such facilities one would expect to find showers: 
these would be used for the new arrivals to wash.

   Of course, since the crematorium also handled dead bodies one should 
also expect that the showers were used by corpse handlers and the "gas 
chambers" were used to disinfest the garments of the dead.

   Now there was a third purpose to which such delousing and 
disinfestation facilities could be used, which was first pointed out by 
CODOH associate Samuel Crowell: air raid shelters and decontamination 
centers in the event of an (aerial) poison gas attack. The Germans were 
very concerned about mustard gas attacks, and the standard treatment for 
such attacks was to clean the clothes and shower the bodies of the 
victims. Crowell has found that laundries and municipal baths were 
appropriated throughout Germany for this purpose, and it stands to 
reason that the showers at the Dachau crematorium would have been 
similarly adapted.

   Indeed, the proof of this contention is shown by the alterations to 
the crematorium that at first glance appear out of place: the gas-tight 
steel door to the shower room, the peephole in the wall adjacent to it, 
the window apertures with gas-tight shutters, and so on.

   In other words, the crematorium at Dachau, like the crematoria at 
Birkenau, had a potentially threefold function: cremation, delousing and 
disinfestation, and gas protection and decontamination in the event of a 
poison gas attack. Recognition of these three facts explains nearly all 
of the design features of the Dachau crematorium, as well as the 
Birkenau crematoria.

   However, something was done to the crematorium after the American 
massacre of April 29, 1945. It seems that the overhead pipes -- 
described in earlier reports -- were removed, and phony tin cones for 
"showerheads" were inserted into some of the remaining holes. The reason 
why this was done appears to have been a strictly local canard: the 
Americans had to try to explain why they had murdered so many Germans on 
the camp's liberation.

   But the fakery did not take root, and already by the end of 1945 the 
myth of Dachau gassings had been pretty much abandoned. Although the 
myth continues to linger, for the simple reason that the shower room in 
the crematorium continues to be described as a "gas chamber." But no one 
seriously claims that anyone was gassed there.


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Could he been used as Hair dryers.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

You are out of your mined!
Next time read what I'm posting!
JS

> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:Y-GdnWiN4MrPv3vbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Whatever it was claimed by the Jews or not some statements were made.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
>>> news:Y_oFi.4996$eX2.1043@newsfe03.lga...
>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:58:37 GMT
>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>> I think he's suggesting that "Jews Claim That Gassing Were Done In
>>>> Dachau"
>>>
>> Hey Kurt!
>> Read what I said!
>> Delousing or disinfection chambers, with hot air blowers!
>> JS 
> 
> 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Some German Tourists coming here to British Columbia dolt me there is a sing 
> outside the Dachau Gate saying there were never any gassings done in Dachau.

Please, stop drinking Kurt for a moment and read what I was posting!
They were delousing/disinfecting clothing and personal items aiding the 
processor by using hot air blowers and not hair dryers.
JS



> The sign definitely sets the record straight accusation must have been made 
> before. Then we have the Pictures of the Dachau inmates where they only show 
> the worst. There are plenty of Photographs out there that showing a 
> different picture. When I did return to Nuremberg in April 1945 as a kid. 
> The first issue of the Nuremberger Zeiting said. " Sämtliches wach personal 
> in Dach wuden von den Häftlingen umgebracht. Ich sagte damals zu meinem 
> mutter wo keine augezeugen überlebten gibt es auch keinen richter.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> 
> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:Y-GdnWmN4MppvHvbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>> Who's talking about gassing?
>> Modern delousing chambers.
>> http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html
>> http://www.nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html
>>
>> JS
>>
>>
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:BsidnUZLc7LJnnvbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
>>>>> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
>>>>> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
>>>>> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
>>>>> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
>>>>> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
>>>>>
>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these 
>>>>> rules
>>>>> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken 
>>>>> just as
>>>>> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice 
>>>>> take
>>>>> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
>>>>> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much 
>>>>> more
>>>>> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions 
>>>>> at the
>>>>> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time 
>>>>> at
>>>>> Birkenau."
>>>>>
>>>>> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
>>>>> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of 
>>>>> that
>>>>> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much 
>>>>> too
>>>>> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both 
>>>>> Jews
>>>>> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 
>>>>> 74,000,
>>>>> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, 
>>>>> which
>>>>> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder 
>>>>> what
>>>>> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
>>>>> figure in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
>>>>> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a 
>>>>> while
>>>>> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not 
>>>>> take
>>>>> up as much room as people would.
>>>> Also, needs to be said, HCN or Zyklon-B has a gassing out temperature of 
>>>> 25C deg, that's why in Dachau, I think, Germans built a modern delousing 
>>>> chamber with hot air blower.
>>>> Auschwitz, so called gas chambers (morgues) were underground, all ways 
>>>> cooler, winter time even worst, colder. HCN would have a hard time for 
>>>> gassing out properly and kill people in masses.
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  But the Holocaust fiction requires that
>>>>> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
>>>>> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps 
>>>>> several
>>>>> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do 
>>>>> so,
>>>>> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron 
>>>>> in the
>>>>> bricks of the building.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
>>>>> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
>>>>> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case 
>>>>> however
>>>>> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would 
>>>>> certainly
>>>>> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' 
>>>>> barracks
>>>>> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the 
>>>>> alleged
>>>>> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in 
>>>>> buildings
>>>>> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that 
>>>>> Nizkor
>>>>> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue 
>>>>> stains
>>>>> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas 
>>>>> chambers
>>>>> would have had the same staining."
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on 
>>>>> the
>>>>> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the 
>>>>> delousing
>>>>> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
>>>>> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue 
>>>>> on
>>>>> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
>>>>> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= 
>>>>> Prussian
>>>>> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
>>>>> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
>>>>> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
>>>>> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when 
>>>>> he
>>>>> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside 
>>>>> the
>>>>> guards' barracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that 
>>>>> sounds
>>>>> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
>>>>> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest 
>>>>> of us.
>>>>> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
>>>>> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher 
>>>>> than
>>>>> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces 
>>>>> of
>>>>> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, 
>>>>> one
>>>>> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling 
>>>>> you is
>>>>> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
>>>>> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
>>>>> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you 
>>>>> began
>>>>> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
>>>>> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of 
>>>>> cyanide
>>>>> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
>>>>> fumigations.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is 
>>>>> not
>>>>> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may 
>>>>> vary
>>>>> considerably under different circumstances."
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it 
>>>>> =does=
>>>>> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an 
>>>>> atmosphere
>>>>> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the 
>>>>> rate
>>>>> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
>>>>> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
>>>>> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. 
>>>>> That
>>>>> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue 
>>>>> formation
>>>>> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
>>>>> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any 
>>>>> reasonable gas
>>>>> chamber scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark 
>>>>> when he
>>>>> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
>>>>> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.  "Apparently," 
>>>>> my
>>>>> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by 
>>>>> Alpha
>>>>> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
>>>>> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation 
>>>>> for
>>>>> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again 
>>>>> and
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Abbot.
> 


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Got to see this one!
If ever makes it to main stream!
http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml
http://www.ihr.org/rounduparchive/0706.shtml

JS


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snow wrote:
> 
> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>  JERUSALEM - In a case that would seem unthinkable in the Jewish 
>> state, police said Sunday they have cracked a cell of young Israeli 
>> neo-Nazis accused in a string of attacks on foreign workers, religious 
>> Jews, drug addicts and gays.
>> ADVERTISEMENT
>>
>> Eight immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been arrested in 
>> recent days in connection with at least 15 attacks, and a ninth fled 
>> the country, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, in the first such 
>> known cell to be discovered in Israel.
>>
>> All the suspects are in their late teens or early 20s and have Israeli 
>> citizenship, Rosenfeld said.
>>
>> "The level of violence was outrageous," Maj. Revital Almog, who 
>> investigated the case, told Israel's Army Radio.
>>
>> A court decided Sunday to keep the young men in custody. They covered 
>> their faces with their shirts during the hearing, revealing their 
>> tattooed arms, and did not comment.
>>
>> News of the arrests came as a shock in Israel, which was founded 
>> nearly 60 years ago as a refuge for Jews in the wake of the Nazi 
>> Holocaust and remains a most sensitive subject. Any forms of 
>> anti-Semitism around the world outrage Israelis, and the discovery of 
>> such violence in the country's midst made the front pages of 
>> newspapers and dominated talk on morning radio shows.
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_neo_nazis
> 
> Of course, every country has a right wing youth movement.  I like how 
> the article mentions they are from former soviet union. Does it have 
> hidden message? Are people from former Soviet Union bad and all 
> anti-semitic?
> Good to see YAHOO News carry such news article.

I think, these Russians with Jewish background, immigrated to Israel, 
later they've seen what a piece of crap country is it, realized Hitler 
was right, so turned into Neo-Nazis.
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1189576634.526840.303840@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> 
> That's MR. Holman to you, you disrespectful hypocrite.
> 
> Sara
> 
Holman is a Balfasz, in Hungarian!
Lofasz a fulebe!
JS



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Got to see this one!
If ever makes it to main stream!
http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml
http://www.ihr.org/rounduparchive/0706.shtml

JS


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raglander@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 13, 1:09 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo"  wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:08:32 -0700, cccccdfgdfgdgdfg wrote:
>>> Before the official story of Islamic hijackers was fed to the press,
>>> witnesses on the day in New York describe what they saw on 9/11:
>> Kook.
>>
>> 
>>
>> --
>> Mark K. Bilbo                a.a. #1423
>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
>> because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
>> - Mussolini
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, a kook but only this 911/conspiracy campaign isn't believed by
> its own leaders; its a purposeful
> disinformation campaign playing on people's fears, hatreds, paranoia
> and gullibility. It's dangerous and
> definitely is denial.The goal or one of the goals is to not trust the
> government and its official 9/11
> story. Arguably, there are still some things we don't know that relate
> to 9/11 but the conspiracy
> makes the most outragous untruthful claims. There are at least two or
> more kooks who post this
> bullshit on here. The Far Right is behind it.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

But you believe the Holocau$t?
Makes you a kook your self!
JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1189810136.299167.163610@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>  LIBERATOR  wrote:
> 
>> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>>
>> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>>
>> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>>
>> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would have
>> won the war.
>>
>> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>> cultures in the name of Communism.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-8507820#r
>> eader-link
>>
>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
> 
> No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists 
> didn't develop amazing things.
> 
> Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country 
> who helped design and build the atomic bomb....

Uh! Sara Shitman, Jewish scientist educated in Germany, like Einstein Da 
plagiarists?
While the US developed the A-bomb in full steam at huge cost through out 
the war, (wonder why?) Hitler had the A-bomb project put on back-burner 
after 1941, because the success of the war.
It became priority after 1943 for the Germans, when it was clear they 
were loosing the war.
Using heavy water is a much better way to control chain reaction, but 
was slower to develop than using pure graphite blocks, US way.
There is also a question, if the US were able to make enough nuclear 
material for 3 bombs?
Even Japan worked on the A-bomb, you think with using Jewish scientist?
So much for the Jewish scientist myth propaganda!
JS



> 
> Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but 
> they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but 
> slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler 
> rushed into war.
> 


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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Joe Sullivan"  wrote in message 
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>> Don't try to engage LIBERATOR in conversation, he's a schizophrenic
>> asshole.
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>> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Are you sure he's schizophrenic?

Rich, with the single cell brain, throws in another dumb one liner! (o:
JS


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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Proctagonist", the village idiot of Pleasanton
> 
>   wrote in message 
> news:7oadnRExoKd9BnbbnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Richard Warren wrote:
>>> "Joe Sullivan"  wrote in message 
>>> news:Xns99ABC2F3FFE56nospamjoesullivanhot@216.196.97.136...
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>>>> asshole.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you sure he's schizophrenic?
>> Rich, with the single cell brain, throws in another dumb one liner! (o:
>> JS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And yet the village idiot of Pleasanton is constrained to remark on it.  Go 
> run your machine, Julius, but be careful you don't hurt yourself. 
> 
> 

Single brain cell Warren can only insult and threat others.
Go crawl back to your little dark cave, little man!
JS



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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 14, 8:29 pm, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
>> "Joe Sullivan"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:Xns99ABC2F3FFE56nospamjoesullivanhot@216.196.97.136...
>>
>>> Don't try to engage LIBERATOR in conversation, he's a schizophrenic
>>> asshole.
>>> Joe
>> Are you sure he's schizophrenic?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sara Salzman  wrote in
>>> news:catamont-BC7DE9.18200614092007@news-40.giganews.com:
>>>> In article <1189810136.299167.163...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>  LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>>>> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>>>>> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>>>>> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>>>>> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>>>>> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>>>>> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>>>>> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>>>>> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would
>>>>> have won the war.
>>>>> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>>>>> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>>>>> cultures in the name of Communism.
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-
>>> 8
>>>>> 507820#r eader-link
>>>>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
>>>> No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists
>>>> didn't develop amazing things.
>>>> Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country
>>>> who helped design and build the atomic bomb....
>>>> Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but
>>>> they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but
>>>> slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler
>>>> rushed into war.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Einstein was not a scientist but a truck driver they hired and said he
> was Jewish, and it was the work of 10 men both Jews and gentiles
> compiled, of which the intellectual property of other men by contract
> with a corporation, was owned by the Jews, of which they then said the
> hired model Einstein did it all. The atomic bomb was stolen from
> Hitler, he didn't want to do it because of its inhumane results.
> 

Only Jews can create such an evil weapon and use it too!
Hitler never had a priority on the A-bomb till the end of the war, but 
than it was too late.
JS



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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2:44 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article <1189810136.299167.163...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>  LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>>> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>>>> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>>>> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>>>> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>>>> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>>>> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>>>> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>>>> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would have
>>>> won the war.
>>>> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>>>> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>>>> cultures in the name of Communism.
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-...
>>>> eader-link
>>>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
>>> No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists
>>> didn't develop amazing things.
>>> Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country
>>> who helped design and build the atomic bomb....
>> Uh! Sara Shitman, Jewish scientist educated in Germany, like Einstein Da
>> plagiarists?
>> While the US developed the A-bomb in full steam at huge cost through out
>> the war, (wonder why?) Hitler had the A-bomb project put on back-burner
>> after 1941, because the success of the war.
>> It became priority after 1943 for the Germans, when it was clear they
>> were loosing the war.
>> Using heavy water is a much better way to control chain reaction, but
>> was slower to develop than using pure graphite blocks, US way.
>> There is also a question, if the US were able to make enough nuclear
>> material for 3 bombs?
>> Even Japan worked on the A-bomb, you think with using Jewish scientist?
>> So much for the Jewish scientist myth propaganda!
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but
>>> they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but
>>> slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler
>>> rushed into war.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> I think Hitler didn't want to proceed the atomic bomb because it was
> inhumane and uncontrollable and too many innocent civilians would be
> murdered, thus he put it on the back burner. And I am willing to bet
> no Jews developed it, they stole it from Hitler.
> 
> Einstein was not educated, he was a model hired to be a professor, the
> Jews liked his appearance and thought "we could hire him and make him
> a Jewish professor with world renown status just because of his
> appearance", of which at least 10 professors Jewish and non-Jewish
> compiled their work, and then they all agreed that they'd allow the
> person you know as "Einstein" to be the professor that developed it.
> The person you know as Einstein isn't educated beyond a truck driver,
> and he was OSS intelligence work.
> 

Einstein is the Big Mac for todays Jew media controlled science industry.
He was a theorist, not a practical scientist.
His Serb wife Malena, non-Jew, whom Einstein betrayed with his 3 
children, was a very smart mathematicians, worked out many problems for 
her idiot husband.
They published many scientific work together, while their marriage was 
happy.
Einstein's most famous for the relativity formula E=m x C sqr, but there 
was nothing new in it, even Newton had a similar formula.
He received his  Nobel prize for his photo-electric work in 1921, not 
the others.
There are lot of fraud in the science business, stealing from each 
other, claiming i did it first.
JS





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Here's Da real stuff!
No Jewish name stuck this puppy!
http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-nazi-stealth/
JS


LIBERATOR wrote:
> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
> 
> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
> bridge.
> 
> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
> 
> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
> provisions.
> 
> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
> 
> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
> there will be unity spirit.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.
> 


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
> 
>    (some insane drivel snipped)
> 
>> Einstein's most famous for the relativity formula E=m x C sqr, but
>> there was nothing new in it, even Newton had a similar formula.
> 
>    What "similar formula" was that,  Julius?
> 
>    (some further insane drivel snipped)
> 
> 
> RJ.

Newton's general relativity, idiotsky!

Was Einstein a plagiarist?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/15/einstein_relativity/


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Here's Da real stuff!
>> No Jewish name stuck this puppy!http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-naz...
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
>>> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
>>> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
>>> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
>>> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
>>> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
>>> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
>>> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
>>> bridge.
>>> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
>>> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
>>> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
>>> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
>>> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
>>> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
>>> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
>>> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
>>> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
>>> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
>>> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
>>> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
>>> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
>>> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
>>> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
>>> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
>>> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
>>> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
>>> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
>>> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
>>> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
>>> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
>>> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
>>> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
>>> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
>>> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
>>> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
>>> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
>>> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
>>> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
>>> provisions.
>>> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
>>> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
>>> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
>>> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
>>> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
>>> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
>>> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
>>> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
>>> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
>>> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
>>> there will be unity spirit.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
>>> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
>>> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
>>> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Thank you excellent work!
> 
> Proof they had working protoypes of every drawing, and the allies are
> again proven evil, in that the allies took possession after
> discovering these magnificent feats, and did not reveal them to the
> public, they tricked into the war, by telling them Hitler was trying
> to rule the world.
> 
> Had the Allied governments been legit to themselves being good & pure,
> they would have shared the discoveries they made of the German genious
> aircraft designers. Instead they stold it and said it's their
> craftsmanship.
> 

If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500 
tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US 
some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one 
year, than Germany through the hole war.
Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
They were ready!
JS


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Einstein was also a  strong Zionist supporter, even was offered the 
presidency of Israel.
JS

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstein.htm

  ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as "a rare genius," who drastically changed 
the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as 
'The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,' he has been made an idol to young 
people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.

THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept and moronic 
person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces; he contributed NOTHING 
ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On 
the contrary -- he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled 
media made him a 'hero.'

When we actually examine the life of Albert Einstein, we find that his 
only 'brilliance' was in his ability to PLAGIARIZE and STEAL OTHER 
PEOPLE'S IDEAS, PASSING THEM OFF AS HIS OWN. Einstein's education, or 
lack thereof, is an important part of this story.

The Encyclopedia Britannica says of Einstein's early education that he 
"showed little scholastic ability." It also says that at the age of 15, 
"with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left school 
with no diploma." Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of his "lack 
of imagination and practical ability." In 1895, Einstein failed a simple 
entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich.

This exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems, and Einstein showed 
himself to be mathematically inept in this exam. He then entered a 
lesser school hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the engineering 
school he could not get into, but after graduating in 1900, he still 
could not get a position at the engineering school!

Unable to go to the school as he had wanted, he got a job (with the help 
of a friend) at the patent office in Bern. He was to be a technical 
expert third class, which meant that he was not competent to hold a 
higher qualified position. Even after publishing his so-called 
ground-breaking papers of 1905 and after working in the patent office 
for six years, he was only elevated to a second class standing. 
Remember, the work he was doing at the patent office, for which he was 
only rated third class, was not quantum mechanics or theoretical 
physics, but was reviewing technical documents for patents of every day 
things; yet he was barely qualified.

He would work at the patent office until 1909, all the while 
continuously trying to get a position at a university, but without 
success. All of these facts are true, but now begins the myth.

Supposedly, while working a full time job, without the aid of university 
colleagues, a staff of graduate students, a laboratory, or any of the 
things normally associated with an academic setting, Einstein in his 
spare time wrote four ground-breaking essays in the field of theoretical 
physics and quantum mechanics that were published in 1905.

Many people have recognized the impossibility of such a feat, including 
Einstein himself, and therefore Einstein has led people to believe that 
many of these ideas came to him in his sleep, out of the blue, because 
indeed that is the only logical explanation of how an admittedly inept 
moron could have written such documents at the age of 26 without any 
real education. THE TRUTH IS: HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS.

Therefore, we will look at each of these ideas and discover the source 
of each. It should be remembered that these ideas are presented by 
Einstein's worshipers as totally new and completely different, each of 
which would change the landscape of science. These four papers dealt 
with the following four ideas, respectively:

    1. The foundation of the photon theory of light;
    2. The equivalence of energy and mass;
    3. The explanation of Brownian motion in liquids;
    4. The special theory of relativity.

Let us first look at the last of these theories, the theory of 
relativity. This is perhaps the most famous idea falsely attributed to 
Einstein. Specifically, this 1905 paper dealt with what Einstein called 
the Special Theory of Relativity (the General Theory would come in 1915).

This theory contradicted the traditional Newtonian mechanics and was 
based upon two premises:

    1. In the absence of acceleration, the laws of nature are the same 
for all observers; and
    2. Since the speed of light is independent of the motion of its 
source, then the time interval between two events is longer for an 
observer in whose frame of reference the events occur at different 
places than for an observer in whose frame of reference the events occur 
in the same place.

This is basically the idea that time passes more slowly as one's 
velocity approaches the speed of light, relative to slower velocities 
where time would pass faster.

This theory has been validated by modern experiments and is the basis 
for modern physics. But these two premises are far from being originally 
Einstein's. FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT WAS A 
CONSTANT AND WAS INDEPENDENT OF THE MOTION OF ITS SOURCE WAS NOT 
EINSTEIN'S AT ALL, BUT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SCOTTISH SCIENTIST JAMES 
MAXWELL in 1878.

Maxwell studied the phenomenon of light extensively and first proposed 
that it was electromagnetic in nature.

James Maxwell wrote an article to this effect for the 1878 edition of 
the Encyclopedia Britannica. His ideas prompted much debate, and by 
1887, as a result of his work and the ensuing debate, the scientific 
community, particularly Lorentz, Michelson, and Morley reached the 
conclusion that the velocity of light was independent of the velocity of 
the observer. Thus, this piece of the Special Theory of Relativity was 
known 27 years before Einstein wrote his paper.

This debate over the nature of light also led Michelson and Morley to 
conduct an important experiment, the results of which could not be 
explained by Newtonian mechanics. They observed a phenomenon caused by 
relativity but they did not understand relativity.

They had attempted to detect the motion of the earth through ether, 
which was a medium thought to be necessary for the propagation of light. 
In response to this problem, in 1880, the Irish physicist George 
Fitzgerald, who had also first proposed a mechanism for producing radio 
waves, wrote a paper which stated that the results of the Michelson 
Morley experiment could be explained if, ". . . the length of material 
bodies change, according as they are moving through the either or across 
it by an amount depending on the square of the ratio of their velocities 
to that of light."

THIS IS THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY, 13 YEARS BEFORE EINSTEIN'S PAPER!

FURTHER . . . IN 1892, HENDRIK LORENTZ, of the Netherlands, proposed the 
same solution and began to greatly expand the idea. All throughout the 
1890's, both Lorentz and Fitzgerald worked on these ideas and wrote 
articles strangely similar to Einstein's Special Theory detailing what 
is now known as the Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction.

In 1898, the Irishman Joseph Larmor wrote down equations explaining the 
Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction and its relativistic consequences, 7 
years before Einstein's paper. By 1904, "Lorentz transformations," the 
series of equations explaining relativity, were published by Lorentz. 
They describe the increase of mass, the shortening of length, and the 
time dilation of a body moving at speeds close to the velocity of light. 
In short, by 1904, everything in "Einstein's paper" regarding the 
Special Theory of Relativity had already been published.

The Frenchman Poincaré‚ had, in 1898, written a paper unifying many of 
these ideas. He stated seven years before Einstein's paper: ". . . we 
have no direct intuition about the equality of two time intervals. The 
simultaneity of two events or the order of their succession, as well as 
the equality of two time intervals, must be defined in such a way that 
the statements of the natural laws be as simple as possible."

Professor Umberto Bartocci, a mathematical historian, of the University 
of Perugia claims that Olinto De Pretto, an industrialist from Vicenza, 
published the equation E=mc^2 in a scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903. 
Einstein allegedly used De Pretto's insight in a major paper published 
in 1905, but De Pretto was never acclaimed.

De Pretto had stumbled on the equation, but not the theory of 
relativity, while speculating about ether in the life of the universe, 
said Prof Bartocci. It was republished in 1904 by Veneto's Royal Science 
Institute, but the equation's significance was not understood.

According to Professor Bartocci, a Swiss Italian named Michele Besso 
alerted Einstein to the research and in 1905 Einstein published his own 
work. It took years for his breakthrough to be grasped. When the penny 
finally dropped, De Pretto's contribution was overlooked while Einstein 
went on to become the century's most famous scientist. De Pretto died in 
1921.

"De Pretto did not discover relativity but there is no doubt that he was 
the first to use the equation. That is hugely significant. I also 
believe, though it's impossible to prove, that Einstein used De Pretto's 
research," said Professor Bartocci, who has written a book on the 
subject. ( The Guardian Unlimited).

Anyone who has read Einstein's 1905 paper will immediately recognize the 
similarity and the lack of originality on the part of Einstein.

Thus, we see that the only thing original about the paper was the term 
'Special Theory of Relativity.' EVERYTHING ELSE WAS PLAGIARIZED. Over 
the next few years, Poincaré‚ became one of the most important lecturers 
and writers regarding relativity, but he never, in any of his papers or 
speeches, mentioned Albert Einstein.

Thus while Poincaré‚ was busy bringing the rest of the academic world up 
to speed regarding relativity, Einstein was still working in the patent 
office in Bern and no one in the academic community thought it necessary 
to give much credence or mention to Einstein's work. Most of these early 
physicists knew that he was a fraud.

This brings us to the explanation of Brownian motion, the subject of 
another of Einstein's 1905 papers. Brownian motion describes the 
irregular motion of a body arising from the thermal energy of the 
molecules of the material in which the body is immersed. The movement 
had first been observed by the Scottish botanist Robert Brown in 1827.

The explanation of this phenomenon has to do with the Kinetic Theory of 
Matter, and it was the American Josiah Gibbs and the Austrian Ludwig 
Boltzmann who first explained this occurrence, not Albert Einstein. In 
fact, the mathematical equation describing the motion contains the 
famous Boltzmann constant, k. Between these two men, they had explained 
by the 1890s everything in Einstein's 1905 paper regarding Brownian motion.

The subject of the equivalence of mass and energy was contained in a 
third paper published by Einstein in 1905. This concept is expressed by 
the famous equation E=mc2. Einstein's biographers categorize this as 
"his most famous and most spectacular conclusion." Even though this idea 
is an obvious conclusion of Einstein's earlier relativity paper, it was 
not included in that paper but was published as an afterthought later in 
the year. Still, the idea of energy-mass equivalence was not original 
with Einstein.

That there was an equivalence between mass and energy had been shown in 
the laboratory in the 1890s by both J. J. Thomsom of Cambridge and by W. 
Kaufmann in Göttingen. In 1900, Poincaré‚ had shown that there was a 
mass relationship for all forms of energy, not just electromagnetic 
energy. Yet, the most probable source of Einstein's plagiarism was 
Friedrich Hasenöhrl, one of the most brilliant, yet unappreciated 
physicists of the era.

Hasenöhrl was the teacher of many of the German scientists who would 
later become famous for a variety of topics. He had worked on the idea 
of the equivalence of mass and energy for many years and had published a 
paper on the topic in 1904 in the very same journal which Einstein would 
publish his plagiarized version in 1905. For his brilliant work in this 
area, Hasenöhrl had received in 1904 a prize from the prestigious Vienna 
Academy of Sciences.

Furthermore, the mathematical relationship of mass and energy was a 
simple deduction from the already well-known equations of Scottish 
physicist James Maxwell. Scientists long understood that the 
mathematical relationship expressed by the equation E=mc2 was the 
logical result of Maxwell's work, they just did not believe it.

THUS, THE EXPERIMENTS OF THOMSON, KAUFMANN, AND FINALLY, AND MOST 
IMPORTANTLY, HASENÖRHL, CONFIRMED MAXWELL'S WORK. IT IS LUDICROUS TO 
BELIEVE THAT EINSTEIN DEVELOPED THIS POSTULATE , particularly in light 
of the fact that Einstein did not have the laboratory necessary to 
conduct the appropriate experiments.

In this same plagiarized article of Einstein's, he suggested to the 
scientific community, "Perhaps it will prove possible to test this 
theory using bodies whose energy content is variable to a high degree 
(e.g., salts of radium)."

This remark demonstrates how little Einstein understood about science, 
for this was truly an outlandish remark. By saying this, Einstein showed 
that he really did not understand basic scientific principles, and that 
he was writing about a topic that he did not understand. In fact, in 
response to this article, J. Precht remarked that such an experiment 
"lies beyond the realm of possible experience."

The last subject dealt with in Einstein's 1905 papers was the foundation 
of the photon theory of light. Einstein wrote about the photoelectric 
effect. The photoelectric effect is the release of electrons from 
certain metals or semiconductors by the action of light. This area of 
research is particularly important to the Einstein myth because it was 
for this topic that he UNJUSTLY received his 1922 Nobel Prize.

But AGAIN IT IS NOT EINSTEIN, BUT WILHELM WIEN AND MAX PLANCK WHO 
DESERVE THE CREDIT. The main point of Einstein's paper, and the point 
for which he is given credit, is that light is emitted and absorbed in 
finite packets called quanta. This was the explanation for the 
photoelectric effect. The photoelectric effect had been explained by 
Heinrich Hertz in 1888. Hertz and others, including Philipp Lenard, 
worked on understanding this phenomenon.

Lenard was the first to show that the energy of the electrons released 
in the photoelectric effect was not governed by the intensity of the 
light but by the frequency of the light. This was an important breakthrough.

Wien and Planck were colleagues and they were the fathers of modern day 
quantum theory. By 1900, Max Planck, based upon his and Wien's work, had 
shown that radiated energy was absorbed and emitted in finite units 
called quanta. The only difference in his work of 1900 and Einstein's 
work of 1905 was that Einstein limited himself to talking about one 
particular type of energy -- light energy. But the principles and 
equations governing the process in general had been deduced by Planck in 
1900. Einstein himself admitted that the obvious conclusion of Planck's 
work was that light also existed in discrete packets of energy. Thus, 
nothing in this paper of Einstein's was original.

After the 1905 papers of Einstein were published, the scientific 
community took little notice and Einstein continued his job at the 
patent office until 1909 when it was arranged by World Jewry for him to 
take a position at a school.

Still, it was not until a 1919 A Jewish newspaper headline that he 
gained any notoriety. With Einstein's academic appointment in 1909, he 
was placed in a position where he could begin to use other people's work 
as his own more openly.

He engaged many of his students to look for ways to prove the theories 
he had supposedly developed, or ways to apply those theories, and then 
he could present the research as his own or at least take partial credit.

In this vein, in 1912, he began to try and express his gravitational 
research in terms of a new, recently developed calculus, which was 
conducive to understanding relativity. This was the beginning of his 
General Theory of Relativity, which he would publish in 1915.

BUT THE MATHEMATICAL WORK WAS NOT DONE BY EINSTEIN -- HE WAS INCAPABLE 
OF IT. Instead, it was performed by the mathematician Marcel Grossmann, 
who in turn used the mathematical principles developed by Berhard 
Riemann, who was the first to develop a sound non-Euclidean geometry, 
which is the basis of all mathematics used to describe relativity.

The General Theory of Relativity applied the principles of relativity to 
the universe; that is, to the gravitational pull of planets and their 
orbits, and the general principle that light rays bend as they pass by a 
massive object. Einstein published an initial paper in 1913 based upon 
the work which Grossmann did, adapting the math of Riemann to 
Relativity. But this paper was filled with errors and the conclusions 
were incorrect.

It appears that Grossmann was not smart enough to figure it out for 
Einstein. So Einstein was forced to look elsewhere to plagiarize his 
General Theory. Einstein published his correct General Theory of 
Relativity in 1915, and said prior to its publication that he, 
"completely succeeded in convincing Hilbert and Klein." He is referring 
to David Hilbert, perhaps the most brilliant mathematician of the 20th 
century, and Felix Klein, another mathematician who had been 
instrumental in the development of the area of calculus that Grossmann 
had used to develop the General Theory of Relativity for Einstein.

Einstein's statement regarding the two men would lead the reader to 
believe that Einstein had changed Hilbert's and Klein's opinions 
regarding General Relativity, and that he had influenced them in their 
thinking.

However, the exact opposite is true. EINSTEIN STOLE THE MAJORITY OF HIS 
GENERAL RELATIVITY WORK FROM THESE TWO MEN, THE REST BEING TAKEN FROM 
GROSSMANN. HILBERT SUBMITTED FOR PUBLICATION, A WEEK BEFORE EINSTEIN 
COMPLETED HIS WORK, A PAPER WHICH CONTAINED THE CORRECT FIELD EQUATIONS, 
OF GENERAL RELATIVITY.

What this means is that Hilbert wrote basically the exact same paper, 
with the same conclusions, before Einstein did. Einstein would have had 
an opportunity to know of Hilbert's work all along, because there were 
friends of his working for Hilbert. Yet, even this was not necessary, 
for Einstein had seen Hilbert's paper in advance of publishing his own. 
Both of these papers were, before being printed, delivered in the form 
of a lecture.

Einstein presented his paper on November 25, 1915 in Berlin and Hilbert 
had presented his paper on November 20 in Göttingen. On November 18, 
Hilbert received a letter from Einstein thanking him for sending him a 
draft of the treatise Hilbert was to deliver on the 20th. So, in fact, 
Hilbert had sent a copy of his work at least two weeks in advance to 
Einstein before either of the two men delivered their lectures, but 
Einstein did not send Hilbert an advance copy of his.

Therefore, THIS SERVES AS INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF THAT EINSTEIN QUICKLY 
PLAGIARIZED THE WORK AND THEN PRESENTED IT, HOPING TO BEAT HILBERT TO 
THE PUNCH. Also, at the same time, Einstein publicly began to belittle 
Hilbert, even though in the previous summer he had praised him in an 
effort to get Hilbert to share his work with him. Hilbert made the 
mistake of sending Einstein this draft copy, but still he delivered his 
work first.

Not only did Hilbert publish his work first, but it was of much higher 
quality than Einstein's. It is known today that there are many problems 
with assumptions made in Einstein's General Theory paper. We know today 
that Hilbert was much closer to the truth. Hilbert's paper is the 
forerunner of the unified field theory of gravitation and 
electromagnetism and of the work of Erwin Schrödinger, whose work is the 
basis of all modern day quantum mechanics.

That the group of men discussed so far were the actual originators of 
the ideas claimed by Einstein was known by the scientific community all 
along. In 1940, a group of German physicists meeting in Austria declared 
that "before Einstein, Aryan scientists like Lorentz, Hasenöhrl, 
Poincaré, etc., had created the foundations of the theory of 
relativity." However the Jewish media did not promote the work of these 
men. The Jewish media did not promote the work of David Hilbert, but 
instead they promoted the work of the Jew Albert Einstein.

As we mentioned earlier, this General Theory, as postulated by Hilbert 
first and in plagiarized form by Einstein second, stated that light rays 
should bend when they pass by a massive object. In 1919, during the 
eclipse of the Sun, light from distant stars passing close to the Sun 
was observed to bend according to the theory. This evidence supported 
the General Theory of Relativity, and the Jew-controlled media 
immediately seized upon the opportunity to prop up Einstein as a hero, 
at the expense of the true genius, David Hilbert.

On November 7th, 1919, the London Times ran an article, the headline of 
which proclaimed, "Revolution in science -- New theory of the Universe 
-- Newtonian ideas overthrown." This was the beginning of the force- 
feeding of the Einstein myth to the masses. In the following years, 
Einstein's earlier 1905 papers were propagandized and Einstein was 
heralded as the originator of all the ideas he had stolen. Because of 
this push by the Jewish media, in 1922, EINSTEIN RECEIVED THE NOBEL 
PRIZE FOR THE WORK HE HAD STOLEN IN 1905 REGARDING THE PHOTOELECTRIC EFFECT.

The establishment of the Einstein farce between 1919 and 1922 was an 
important coup for world Zionism and Jewry. As soon as Einstein had been 
established as an idol to the popular masses of England and America, his 
image was promoted as the rare genius that he is erroneously believed to 
be today.

As such, he immediately began his work as a tool for World Zionism. The 
masses bought into the idea that if someone was so brilliant as to 
change our fundamental understanding of the universe, then certainly we 
ought to listen to his opinions regarding political and social issues.

This is exactly what World Jewry wanted to establish in its ongoing 
effort of social engineering. They certainly did not want someone like 
David Hilbert to be recognized as rare genius. After all, this physicist 
had come from a strong German, Christian background. His grandfather's 
two middle names were 'Fürchtegott Leberecht' or 'Fear God, Live Right.' 
In August of 1934, the day before a vote was to be taken regarding 
installing Adolf Hitler as President of the Reich, Hilbert signed a 
proclamation in support of Adolf Hitler, along with other leading German 
scientists, that was published in the German newspapers. So the Jews 
certainly did not want David Hilbert receiving the credit he deserved.

The Jews did not want Max Planck receiving the credit he deserved 
either. This German's grandfather and great-grandfather had been 
important German theologians, and during World War II he would stay in 
Germany throughout the war, supporting his fatherland the best he could.

The Jews certainly did not want the up-and-coming Erwin Schrödinger to 
be heralded as a genius to the masses. This Austrian physicist would go 
on to teach at Adolf Hitler University in Austria, and he wrote a public 
letter expressing his support for the Third Reich. This Austrian's work 
on the unified field theory was a forerunner of modern physics, even 
though it had been criticized by Einstein, who apparently could not 
understand it.

T he Jews did not want to have Werner Heisenberg promoted as a rare 
genius, even though he would go on to solidify quantum theory and 
contribute to it greatly, as well as develop his famous uncertainty 
principle, in addition to describing the modern atom and nucleus and the 
binding energies that are essential to modern chemistry.

NO, THE JEWS DID NOT WANT HEISENBERG PROMOTED AS A GENIUS BECAUSE HE 
WOULD GO ON TO HEAD THE GERMAN ATOMIC BOMB PROJECT AND SERVE PRISON TIME 
AFTER THE WAR FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE THIRD REICH.

No, the Jews did not want to give credit to any of a number of Germans, 
Austrians, Irishmen, Frenchmen, Scotsmen, Englishmen, and even Americans 
who had contributed to the body of knowledge and evidence from which 
Einstein plagiarized and stole his work.

Instead, they needed to erect Einstein as their golden calf, even though 
he repeatedly and often embarrassed himself with his nonfactual or 
nearsighted comments regarding the work he had supposedly done. For 
example, in 1934, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ran a front page article 
in which Einstein gave an "emphatic denial" regarding the idea of 
practical applications for the "energy of the atom." The article says, 
"But the 'energy of the atom' is something else again. If you believe 
that man will someday be able to harness this boundless energy-to drive 
a great steamship across the ocean on a pint of water, for instance - 
then, according to Einstein, you are wrong"

Again, Einstein clearly did not understand the branch of physics he had 
supposedly founded, though elsewhere in the world at the time 
theoretical research was underway that would lead to the atomic bomb and 
nuclear energy.

But after Einstein was promoted as a god in 1919, he made no real 
attempts to plagiarize any other work. Rather, he began his real purpose 
- evangelizing for the cause of Zionism and World Jewry. Though he did 
publish other articles after this time, all of them were co- authored by 
at least one other person, and in each instance, Einstein had little if 
anything to do with the research that led to the articles; he was merely 
recruited by the co-authors in order to lend credence to their work. 
Thus freed of the pretense of academia, Einstein began his assault for 
World Zionism.

In 1921, Einstein made his first visit to the United States on a fund- 
raising tour for the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and to promote 
Zionism. In April of 1922, Einstein used his status to gain membership 
in a Commission of the League of Nations. In February of 1923, Einstein 
visited Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. In June of 1923, he became a founding 
member of the Association of Friends of the New Russia. In 1926, 
Einstein took a break from his Communist and Zionistic activities to 
again embarrass himself scientifically by criticizing the work of 
Schr”dinger and Heisenberg. Following a brief illness, he resumed his 
Zionistic agenda, wanting an independent Israel and at the same time a 
World Government.

In the 1930s he actively campaigns against all forms of war, although he 
would reverse this position during World War II when he advocated war 
against Germany and the creation of the atomic bomb, which he thought 
was impossible to build. In 1939 and 1940, Einstein, at the request of 
other Jews, wrote two letters to Roosevelt urging an American program to 
develop an atomic bomb to be used on Germany - not Japan. Einstein would 
have no part in the actual construction of the bomb, theoretical or 
practical, because he lacked the skills for either.

In December of 1946, Einstein rekindled his efforts for a World 
Government, with Israel apparently being the only autonomous nation. 
This push continued through the rest of the 1940s. In 1952, Einstein, 
who had been instrumental in the creation of the State of Israel, both 
politically and economically, was offered the presidency of Israel. He 
declined. In 1953, he spent his time attacking the McCarthy Committee, 
and he supported Communists such as J. Robert Oppenheimer. He encouraged 
civil disobedience in response to the McCarthy trials. Finally, on April 
18, 1955, this Jewish demagogue died.

Dead, the Jews no longer had to worry about Einstein making stupid 
statements. His death was just the beginning of his usage and 
exploitation by World Jewry. The Jewish-controlled media continued to 
promote the myth of this Super-Jew long after his death, and as more and 
more of the men who knew better died off, the Jews were more and more 
able to aggrandize his myth and lie more boldly. This brazen lying has 
culminated in the Jew-controlled Time Magazine naming Einstein "The 
Person of the Century".

Einstein was given this title in spite of the clear-cut choice for the 
"Person of the Century," Adolf Hitler. Hitler was indeed named "Man of 
the Year" while he was still living by Time Magazine, and according to a 
December 27, 1999, article in the USA Today, Einstein was chosen over 
Adolf Hitler because of the perceived "nasty public relations fallout" 
that would accompany that choice; yet in internet polling by Time, 
Hitler finished third and was the top serious candidate. Still the issue 
of Time Magazine dedicated to Einstein, which has articles by men with 
names like Isaacson, Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt, is 
interesting to read. For one, they found it necessary to include an 
article rationalizing why they did not pick the obvious choice, Adolf 
Hitler. But more interesting is the article by Stephen Hawking which 
purports to be a history of the theory of relativity. In it, Hawking 
admits many things in this article, such as the fact that Hilbert 
published the General Theory of Relativity before Einstein and that 
FitzGerald and Lorentz deduced the concept of relativity long before 
Einstein. Hawking also writes:

"Einstein was deeply disturbed by the work of Werner Heisenberg in 
Copenhagen, Paul Dirac in Cambridge and Erwin Schr”dinger in Zurich, who 
developed a new picture of reality called quantum mechanics. Einstein 
was horrified by this. Most scientists, however, accepted the validity 
of the new quantum laws because they showed excellent agreement with 
observations. They are the basis of modern developments in chemistry, 
molecular biology and electronics and the foundation of the technology 
that has transformed the world in the past half- century".

This is all very true, yet the same magazine credits Einstein with all 
of the modern developments that Hawking names, even through Einstein was 
so stupid as to be vehemently against the most important idea of modern 
science, just as he opposed Schr”dinger's work in unified field theory 
which was far ahead of its time. The same magazine admits that "success 
eluded" Einstein in the field of explaining the contradictions between 
relativity and quantum mechanics. Today, these contradictions are 
explained by the unified field theory, but Einstein, who proved himself 
to be one of the least intelligent of 20th century scientists, refused 
to believe in either quantum theory or the unified field theory.

To name Einstein as "The Person of the Century" is one of the most 
ludicrous and absurd lies of all time, yet it has been successfully 
pulled off by Isaacson, Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt and 
the Jewish owners of Time Magazine. If the Jews at Time wanted to give 
the title to an inventor or scientist, then the most obvious choice 
would have been men like Hilbert, Planck, or Heisenberg. If they wanted 
to give it to the scientist who most fundamentally changed the lands 
20th century science, then the obvious choice would be William Shockley. 
This Nobel prize winning scientist invented the transistor, which is the 
basis of all modern electronic devices and computers, everything from 
modern cars and telephones, VCRs and watches, to the amazing computers 
which have allowed incomprehensible advances in all fields of science. 
Without the transistor, all forms of science today would be basically in 
the same place that they were in the late 1940s.

However, the Jews cannot allow the due credit to go to William Shockley 
because he spent the majority of his scientific career demonstrating the 
genetic and mental inferiority of non-whites and arguing for their 
sterilization. His scientific, genetic views led the Jews to financially 
destroy Shockley who founded Shockley Semiconductor the first company in 
Silicon Valley, his hometown, to develop computer chips. The Jews hired 
away his entire staff and used them to start Fairchild semiconductor in 
1957 (co-founded by the "Traitorous Eight": Julius Blank, Victor 
Grinich, Jean Hoerni, Gene Kleiner, Jay Last, Gordon Moore, Robert Noyce 
and Sheldon Roberts. Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore left Fairchild in 
1968 to found Intelco . Many other Fairchild employees later the company 
- later called Intel.

No the Jews could not let any of the truly great geniuses of our time be 
recognized, not Henry Ford, not the great German scientists who helped 
the National Socialists in Germany, not Charles Lindbergh, who was 
sympathetic to National Socialist causes, and certainly not William 
Shockley, one of the most brilliant physicists and geneticists of our 
time. Instead, the Jews propped up the Zionist, Communist Albert 
Einstein who hated everything white.

After World War II, Einstein demonstrated his hatred of the White Race 
and of the Germans in particular in the following statements. He was 
asked what he thought about Germany and about re-educating the Germans 
after the war and said:

"The nation has been on the decline mentally and morally since 1870. 
Behind the Nazi party stands the German people, who elected Hitler after 
he had in his book and in his speeches made his shameful intentions 
clear beyond the possibility of misunderstanding. The Germans can be 
killed or constrained after the war, but they cannot be re-educated to a 
democratic way of thinking and acting".

Einstein here is advocating the murder of Germans, because he feels that 
this is the only way that they can be kept in check. He is right about 
one thing, the Germans did knowingly support the cause of National 
Socialism, but what Einstein is attacking is Christianity, because it 
was Christianity that led the German people to overwhelmingly support 
National Socialism. It was the German Christian Faith Movement and the 
Christian Social Party of men like Karl Lueger that led the German 
people to their understanding of Jews. The Jew Daniel Goldhagen has 
recently shown the Christian basis of National Socialism in his book, 
Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, and 
the book Why The Jews? by Prager and Telushkin similarly proves the 
Christian origins of what the Jews call 'anti-Semitism.' Einstein 
understood this and Einstein, like all Jews, hated Christianity. So what 
Einstein was really advocating was the killing and constraining of all 
true Christians, not just Germans Christians. This is the true purpose 
and intent of Zionism and the demagogue Einstein was merely a tool of 
World Zionism and Jewry towards this end.

Zionistic Jews understand that true, primitive Christianity is the 
mortal enemy of mongrel Judaism. This is why the Jews, like Einstein, 
hated Nazi Germany so much, for National Socialist Germany advocated 
primitive, positive Christianity in the 24th point of its Party Platform.

Lewis L. Strauss, the Zionist Chairman of the US Atomic Commission, must 
have had in mind storing the world stock of A and H bombs in the neutral 
country of Israel (also chosen for the United Nations' permanent 
headquarters) for safekeeping to 'satisfy Russian demands,' when, as 
reported in the London Jewish Chronicle of 11th December, 1953, he 
'assisted' President Eisenhower in writing the speech in which 
Eisenhower told the UN General Assembly that the USA would be prepared 
to ease international tension by handing over her Atom and Hydrogen 
weapons to UNO. Eisenhower does not hesitate to accept the advice of 
Strauss, although this Zionist financier is senior partner in the New 
York International Banking firm of Kuhn, Loeb and Co. which in 1917, 
under the direction of Jacob Schiff, then the acknowledged leader of 
world Jewry, financed the Bolshevist revolutionary Trotsky to the extent 
of 20 million dollars.

Albert Einstein, the Zionist scientist, (described by Pravda as one of 
the ten best friends of the Soviet Union in the USA) was also thinking 
along the same lines when he persuaded Roosevelt (Redfield) to authorize 
research into nuclear fission, and recommended the employment of other 
Zionist scientists, who were later to pass the result of the researches 
to the Soviet Union.

Oppenheimer, the chief Einstein appointee, now in disgrace for Communist 
sympathies, and holding up production of the hydrogen bombs until Russia 
came into possession of its secrets: Pontecorvo, the entire host of 
Zionist scientists and agents working for Communism in the notorious spy 
rings of America, Canada, Australia and Great Britain: all have 
obviously been striving to bring about the present situation.

It is this overriding ambition which drives Zionists, even the most 
wealthy, to support Communism, either openly or secretly, only to bring 
the world to a point where it would seem it must accept their long 
envisaged 'peace plan.' "One of the major reasons for my visit to the 
United States," said the mayor of Jerusalem, according to the South 
African Jewish Times of 14th March, 1952, "is to interest Americans in 
the beautification of Jerusalem, the Capital of the World, no less than 
the Capital of Israel."

It all has been decided as described above. Why has so little been heard 
about it? For the simple reason that IT HAS BEEN DECIDED. The matter 
will not be thrown open for Gentile discussion in the popular (?) press 
UNTIL the Nations are browbeaten to the point where they are ready to 
acknowledge the Zionists' "International Super-Government, and WITH 
SUBMISSIVENESS".

(Note: On November 21, 1954, Czecho-Slovakia called upon the Western 
Powers to delay signing the Paris Agreement regarding the re-armament of 
West Germany, until they had discussed with the Russian bloc an 
agreement which might eventually result in a United States of Europe. A 
'United States of Europe' was the aim of Trotsky stated in Bolshevism 
and World Peace, published in 1918. "The task of the proletariat is to 
create a still more powerful fatherland with a far greater power of 
resistance - the Republican United States of Europe, as the foundation 
of the United States of the World").

Jews have been heavily overrepresented among the ranks of theoretical 
physicists. This conclusion remains true even though Einstein, the 
leading figure among Jewish physicists, was a strongly motivated Zionist 
(F”lsing 1997, 494505), opposed assimilation as a contemptible form of 
mimicry (p. 490), preferred to mix with other Jews whom he referred to 
as his tribal companions (p. 489), embraced the uncritical support for 
the Bolshevik regime in Russia typical of so many Jews during the 1920s 
and 1930s, including persistent apology for the Moscow show trials in 
the 1930s (pp. 6445), and switched from a high-minded pacifism during 
World War I, when Jewish interests were not at stake, to advocating the 
building of atomic bombs to defeat Hitler. From his teenage years he 
disliked the Germans and in later life criticized Jewish colleagues for 
converting to Christianity and acting like Prussians. He especially 
disliked Prussians, who were the elite ethnic group in Germany. 
Reviewing his life at age 73, Einstein declared his ethnic affiliation 
in no uncertain terms: 'My relationship with Jewry had become my 
strongest human tie once I achieved complete clarity about our 
precarious position among the nations' (in F”lsing 1997, 488). According 
to F”lsing, Einstein had begun developing this clarity from an early 
age, but did not acknowledge it until much later, a form of 
self-deception: As a young man with bourgeois-liberal views and a belief 
in enlightenment, he had refused to acknowledge it until much later, a 
form of self-deception: As a young man with bourgeois-liberal views and 
a belief in enlightenment, he had refused to acknowledge [his Jewish 
identity] (in F”lsing 1997, 488).

Fire from the Sky
By One Who Knows
(www.subversiveelement.com/firefromsky29.html)

Albert Einstein is a good example of another deception and hoax involved 
with the atomic bomb program. When many people think of the atomic bomb 
they think of Einstein. He was presented as the world's greatest 
scientist, and a hero of the atomic bomb program. Upon closer 
inspection, you will find that his major contributions were his use of 
his influence to obtain President Roosevelt's support for the bomb and 
he was the one personally responsible for bringing the major Communist 
atomic spy Klaus Fuchs into the Program. The Russians know nothing about 
the atomic bomb until Fuchs brought it to their attention in 1942. 
(*Heisenberg's War,* p. 524).

Thanks to Fuchs, (and to a massive amount of Secret material illegally 
shipped through Lend-Lease) they were able to explode their own bomb in 
1949. Einstein was a communist cell member with Fuchs. Fuchs was the top 
scientist on the Manhattan Project and he gave the atomic secrets to the 
Soviets. (Jordan, George Recey, *From Major Jordan's Diaries,* Harcourt, 
Brace and Co., New York, 1952.)

We are taught that Einstein is the author of the Theory of Relativity, 
yet evidence has come for the proving that the real author was Mileva 
Maric, Einstein's first wife.

Einstein had a reputation at the Swiss Polytechnic Institute in Zurich 
of being a man with poor work habits and was often reprimanded for 
laziness during all his school years, including the University. He 
developed a romance with classmate Mileva who helped him with his math. 
His autobiography says "In my work participated a Serbian student Mileva 
Maric who I married later." She had an illegitimate daughter in 1902, 
which they gave up for adoption. They got married in 1903, separated in 
1912 and divorced in 1919. This is when Einstein married his cousin 
Elsa. The original manuscript of the *The Theory of Relativity* 
submitted for publication had Maric's name on it as co-author.

For more proof, see the article "Theory of Relativity - Who is its Real 
Author?" by Dr. Rastko Maglic and J. W. McGinnis, President, 
International Tesla Society, in the Jul/Aug 1994 issue of *Extraordinary 
Science* magazine, which contains references for further documentation.

Einstein was a hoax and fraud saddled on the scientific community to 
prevent them from learning too much and to promote Jews as being 
superior, sort of Nazism in reverse.

Einstein's famous equation "E=MC squared" is WRONG, or at best only 
partially correct. His definition of energy is WRONG, his definition of 
mass is WRONG, C is defined as the top speed possible for anything, then 
it is squared, which would be even faster and thus contradicts the 
definition. Light is described as a constant, which is WRONG as defined. 
In a higher understanding, light does not move, our perception of the 
speed of light is WRONG.

Those who REALLY understand, and who can prove it by creating matter out 
of "nothing" for instance, say that the original WHITE LIGHT is 
invisible and still. Read books by Walter Russell for more information.

Einstein was a Zionist with membership in at least 16 Communist front 
organizations such as Friends of the Soviet. Einstein was head of the 
Jewish Black Book Committee, which was listed as a Communist front in 
the 1947 House Un-American Activities Committee Report.

The correct science being discovered and revealed by such as Nikola 
Tesla, Walter Russell, Tom Bearden, Andrija Puharich, etc., was 
suppressed to prevent humanity from achieving energy independence (and 
thus political and military independence) from the 
Rockefeller/Rothschild oil/nuclear energy barons. This same technology 
leads to understanding of good health, and thus independence from the 
drug/medical crowd, who happen to be the same oil crowd crooks. einstein.htm

Also see Albert Einstein: A Jewish Myth, Italian Published E=mc2 Two 
Years Before Einstein and The Eclipse of 1919  Albert Einstein: 
Plagiarist of the Century?  Nexus Magazine, vol.11 #1, Dec-Jan.,2004 
Albert Einstein:The Incorrigible Plagiarist  The Secret History of the 
Atomic Bomb  The Manufacture and Sale of Einstein by Christopher Jon 
Bjerknes


Commentary from a Reader with some scientific background (melundbe@mtu.edu):

Hi, I came across your little webpage about how Einstein was not a 
brilliant physicist. I'm sure you don't want glaring holes in the 
quality of your writings, so I'd like to inform you of a few problems 
with your article's logic.

Almost your entire article surrounds the idea of "HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND 
PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS", but this not a valid argument for a few 
reasons. Everyone steals ideas in science, it's called learning things. 
The whole of a science is more than the sum of its parts, it is also how 
the parts connect.

No scientist works in a vacuum. Legend has it Newton himself said "If I 
have seen farther than other men, it was by standing on the shoulders of 
giants". He acknowledged the great thinkers before him. What you're 
missing is that it's the same for Einstein. What he brought to physics 
wasn't a bunch of new stuff, it was more like bringing a method for the 
madness.

Lorentz had the math worked out (it's likely Einstein's wife did much of 
the math, but it is not unusual for scientists to have other people do 
part of the work), Maxwell figured out what light was, Planck got us 
stuck with quantum theory, and Newton supplied his well-established 
classical theory of mechanics. What Einstein did was read these papers, 
sit back in his patent-office seat, and ask himself "What sort of 
assumptions can I make that results in physical behavior like this?", 
and he boiled it down to just two short sentences. " Physical Laws are 
invariant in inertial reference frames", and "Speed of Light radiation 
in a vacuum is constant".

Using this and the previous theories I mentioned, physicists were able 
to rederive their science, but this time with understanding. There's a 
world of difference between finding a law and understanding the 
underlying theory. This has allowed them to progress further. Relativity 
explains mass-energy equivalence, and suggests avenues to explore the 
reason inertial mass and gravitational mass are the same. Connecting the 
dots is a very important thing in science, and the ones that do it are 
usually hailed as great men (germ theory, gene theory, etc).

It had been shown that for most cases on Earth and in the Solar System, 
classical mechanics equations and the law of gravity work very well. 
That means any new theories had to agree with with Newton in these 
realms. Special Relativity agrees in most cases we observe (which is why 
engineers study Classical Mechanics), and solves some problems for us in 
more exotic locales and situations. What Mercury showed us wasn't just 
gravitational lensing, its orbit is also a little too fast for Newton's 
laws.

While some of the weirdness in the orbit can be explained by an 
invisible planet, Relativity calculates Mercury's observed orbit 
perfectly. Since Mercury, there have been uncounted more detailed 
observations in astronomy and in high-energy particle experiments that 
validates this theory. Actually, this makes it one of the "truest" 
descriptions of reality.

The dots connected by the Brownian motion paper are less far-reaching, 
but still significant enough for anyone to be proud of. In this paper 
(which I haven't read, to be honest), Einstein puts some quantum theory 
in with statistical mechanics type stuff, and out comes a reason for the 
odd behavior exhibited by Brownian motion. It's very math-intensive, 
which is why I never got into it, but it served a great use at the time 
in establishing quantum theory.

Finally, the photoelectric effect. This demonstrates wave-particle 
duality of light. Since Newton, wave theory of light was very popular 
again(but not universally accepted), and Einstein helped swing the 
pendulum firmly to the middle, where it belongs. Also, physicists were 
now able to control electrons better, which was good for experimental 
reasons.

In conclusion, I just want to say that all of Einstein's theories would 
have been discovered by other people. He just got there first, by coming 
>from outside the establishment and looking at it with a new perspective. 
His findings were very important, of this there can be no doubt. And he 
was intelligent. How else can you explain how he could constantly hang 
out with so many incredibly smart men?


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 3:43 pm, RJ11  wrote:
>> In article <1189891475.417979.72...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> LIBERATOR   wrote:
>>
>>    (some drivel given the snip)
>>
>>    Speaking of Nazi technology:
>>
>>    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/CrematoriumII.jpg
>>    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/CrematoriumIV.jpg
>>    http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Furnace.jpg
>>
>> RJ.
> 
> You're one of those liars? Or one who believes allied intelligence
> staged stratagems?
> 
> You don't really believe any of this holocaust crap do you?
> 

RJ Da Swede Jew, been posting this same crappy picture of typhus victims
last few years here.
He's like a broken record.
JS


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article <1189893543.311783.194710@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> LIBERATOR   wrote:
> 
>    ("Holocaust revisionism" drivel snipped)
> 
>    Just deal with the evidence,  please.
> 
>    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
> 
>    Mass graves found at Nazi camp
> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
> 
>    The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
> 
>    
> 
> 
> RJ.

Date is 2001, ever since than Da Jews couldn't afford shovels to dig  up 
those dead horses.
JS


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Here's Da real stuff!
>> No Jewish name stuck this puppy!http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-naz...
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
>>> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
>>> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
>>> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
>>> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
>>> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
>>> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
>>> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
>>> bridge.
>>> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
>>> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
>>> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
>>> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
>>> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
>>> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
>>> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
>>> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
>>> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
>>> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
>>> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
>>> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
>>> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
>>> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
>>> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
>>> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
>>> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
>>> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
>>> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
>>> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
>>> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
>>> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
>>> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
>>> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
>>> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
>>> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
>>> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
>>> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
>>> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
>>> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
>>> provisions.
>>> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
>>> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
>>> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
>>> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
>>> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
>>> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
>>> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
>>> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
>>> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
>>> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
>>> there will be unity spirit.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
>>> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
>>> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
>>> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Thank you excellent work!
> 
> Proof they had working protoypes of every drawing, and the allies are
> again proven evil, in that the allies took possession after
> discovering these magnificent feats, and did not reveal them to the
> public, they tricked into the war, by telling them Hitler was trying
> to rule the world.
> 
> Had the Allied governments been legit to themselves being good & pure,
> they would have shared the discoveries they made of the German genious
> aircraft designers. Instead they stold it and said it's their
> craftsmanship.
> 

Dornier Do 335 was push/pull prop piston driven fighter plane, faster 
than any similar planes the Allies had.
JS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_335
 >>In his book The Big Show, French ace Pierre Clostermann claims the 
first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a 
flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern 
Germany, he intercepted by chance a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed 
at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot 
reversed course to evade. In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed, 
the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position.

[edit] Survivors
The only surviving Do 335 (VG+PH) at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center 
near Washington, DC
The only surviving Do 335 (VG+PH) at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center 
near Washington, DC

Only one Do 335 survives today. The aircraft was the second 
preproduction Do 335 A-0, designated A-02, with construction number 
(Werknummer) 240102, and factory radio code registration, or 
Stammkennzeichen, of VG+PH. The aircraft was assembled at Dornier's 
plant in Oberpfaffenhofen (southern Germany) on April 16, 1945. It was 
captured by allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. The aircraft 
was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to 
Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51's. The Do 335 was easily 
able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 
minutes before the P-51's. VG+PH was one of two Do 335's to be shipped 
to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS Reaper, along with 
other captured German aircraft, to be used for testing and evaluation 
under a USAAF program called "Operation Sea Horse." One Do 335, with 
registration FE-1012, went to the USAAF and was tested in early 1946 at 
Freeman Field, Indiana. Its fate is a mystery.<<


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Steve Hix wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500 
>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US 
>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one 
>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>> They were ready!
>> JS
> 
> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded 
> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
> 
> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.

read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
JS


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 5:35 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Steve Hix wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500
>>>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US
>>>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>>> They were ready!
>>>> JS
> 
> Pro, America had a skeleton of an Army compared to the 1939 forces of
> Germany.  Try again.

Right! Also, the largest Navy next to the British!
Why the US need a large Army, surrounded by 2 Oceans and no serious 
outside threats.
It's easier to build up an Army than a Battle ship or Aircraft carrier.



> 
>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>
>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Quoting Viktor Suvorov?  Now THERE'S a credible guy.  I have a hard
> time believing anyone that needs an alias...

I heard the same Icebreaker story, from other sources also.
Hitler was built up at first against the Soviets gaining power in the 
East and became a serious threat to Europe.
latter Hitler took the matter to his own hand and used it for Germany's 
gains and became a bigger threat to the West than the Soviets.

JS

> 
> Gordon
> 


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Dan wrote:
> Protagonist wrote:
>> Steve Hix wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 
>>>> 13,500 tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and 
>>>> the US some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one 
>>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>>> They were ready!
>>>> JS
>>>
>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded 
>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>>
>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>>
>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>
>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>> JS
> 
>   Wow, Stalin made Hitler invade Poland against his will? Amazing, 
> absolutely amazing. Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?
> 
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

There was a secret agreement with the Soviets during the Hitler/Stalin 
pact, in case Germany invade Poland.
Hitler would've been happier if Poland returns territories gained after 
WW1 and sides with the Germans, rather than the half and half partition.
Hitler negotiated with the Poles till the last day for the return of the 
Gdansk corridor and alignment with Germany.
Polish response was to mobilize their army, some 750,000!

Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?

Japan and Russia had a major naval conflict in 1905, Japan won.
Growing Soviet power was a threat to Japan, occupying Manjuria by 
Japanese forces created a buffer zone between Japan and Russia.
At the end of WW2 Soviets did try to take Manjuria.
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/glantz.html


JS






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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus Dimwit the Szaki, aka
> Proctagonist   wrote:
> 
> [nothing worth repeating]
> 
> In response to your question, Dimwitted Szaki, "No, no and no."

Stick with your Buna soup, idiot of Vancouver.
JS

> 
> 
> Question 1:
> -----------
> 
> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never been 
>  presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say that 
>  between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were killed by 
>  the special action units."
> 
> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the 
>  Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its units 
>  at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting 
>  partisans." 
> 
> "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - and all evidence 
>  is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still nowhere near the 5 
>  million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet Union's territory." 
> 
> (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID 
>  6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
> 
> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross exaggeration,
> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
> 
> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the pages
> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and publication
> date, and the author's name.
> 
> Question 2:
> -----------
> 
> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 (First
> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
> 
> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet alt.revisionism,
> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
> 
> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
> 
> Question 3:
> -----------
> 
> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical Battalion and
> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation of 
> the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a fictional
> account. You wrote:
> 
> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really made me
> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
> as Sgt. Farris described them.
> 
> Question 4:
> -----------
> On August 19, 2005, in article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
> 
> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your evidence
> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
> 
> Question 5:
> -----------
> 
> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
> 
>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>  
>> *You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
> 
> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake 
> information."
> 
> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy of
> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
> 
> Question 6:
> -----------
> 
> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. Sigmund Rascher:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
> 
> [...]
>  
>> *Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing 
>> else about the Holocau$t!
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown on 
> two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
> 
> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as valid.
> 
> Question 7
> ----------
> 
> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
> you made the following claim:
> 
> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
> good"
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used inflated numbers.
> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with respect to that
> report.
> 
> Question 8
> ----------
> 
> On October 23, 2005, in article ,
> you wrote:
> 
>> Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other 
>> people misfortune and misery!
> 
> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit. 
> 
> 


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 7:03 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>>> Pro, America had a skeleton of an Army compared to the 1939 forces of
>>> Germany.  Try again.
>> Right! Also, the largest Navy next to the British!
> 
> Your comment was about _tanks_ and our pre-war Navy was not the
> modern, offensive force the Kriegsmarine was in 39. 

Of course idiot, Kreigsmarine wasn't even a match to the British Navy, 
consisted mostly  of pocket cruisers.
U-boats were the backbone of the German navy against Allie shippings.
Germans had no aircraft carrier either, like the US had 3 or 4, I think 
by WW2.
Far as land armies goes, the "Enterprise" aircraft carrier took 5 years 
to build, from 1933-1938 and can be sunk in an hour, if it's out of luck.
 >>1933-1940 Chronology
Navy Contract Awarded to Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co.
Aug 3, 1933
Enterprise Keel Laid
July 16, 1934
Enterprise Launched
Oct 3, 1936
Enterprise Commissioned
May 12, 1938
Shake-down Cruise to Rio de Janeiro
Summer 1938
Caribbean Sea Maneuvers
Winter 1938
Enterprise Joins Pacific Fleet
April 1939<<



.
  Our aircraft
> carriers were carrying short-ranged biplanes at the time and were
> hardly a threat to anyone - the same could not be said of the KMs
> submarine and battlecruiser fleet.

Hmm! Look it all those biplanes!
http://ehistory.osu.edu/wwii/pic_data.cfm?id=3953
They really kicked the Japs ass!


> 
>> Why the US need a large Army, surrounded by 2 Oceans and no serious
>> outside threats.
> 
> To... uhhhh, threaten peace-loving countries like Germany and
> Japan....?

Well, of course putting oil embargo on Japan and moving the US fleet to 
Hawaii for bait, created all the peace in the specific.
> 
>> It's easier to build up an Army than a Battle ship or Aircraft carrier.
> 
> Building a vessel is far easier than making 10,000 men into a combat-
> capable division, then getting them 3,000 miles away and inserting
> them into your enemy's territory.

oh sure!
All it takes is 10,000 rifles and 3 months basic training.
Soviets didn't even bother supplying uniforms for some of his soldiers.

> 
>>>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>>>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>>>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>>>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Quoting Viktor Suvorov?  Now THERE'S a credible guy.  I have a hard
>>> time believing anyone that needs an alias...
>> I heard the same Icebreaker story, from other sources also.
> 
> You heard it, or read it on the internet?

I read it from an online article, Hungarian general interviewed by a 
major newspaper.
> 
>> Hitler was built up at first against the Soviets gaining power in the
>> East and became a serious threat to Europe.
> 
> That's why he attacked Poland, with assistance from the Soviet Union?
> Your logic is _faschinating_.
> 
>> latter Hitler took the matter to his own hand and used it for Germany's
>> gains and became a bigger threat to the West than the Soviets.
> 
> Why do you consider Poland to be "the West"?

What?
Who's talking about Poland?
JS



> 
> Gordon
> 


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Dan wrote:
> Protagonist wrote:
> 
>> Well, of course putting oil embargo on Japan and moving the US fleet 
>> to Hawaii for bait, created all the peace in the specific.
>>>
> 
>   Not to put too fine a point on things but the fleet was there 
> partially as a response to Japan's aggression. 

Of course Japans aggression came from hot air, as a resource starved 
island country, size of California!



The strategic materials
> embargo was put into force because Japan was using said materials in its 
> war of aggression in China.

Of course the British has the right to be aggressive against China some 
20,000 miles away from the mother country, annex Hong Kong etc.., Japan 
is not.

  Remember the slaughter at Nanking? Japan's
> behaviour was barbaric at best. Did you expect the Allies to sit back 
> and do nothing?

Of course, they were just waiting for it, to step in as heroes!

 >>The Japanese military faced a particular tactical problem in that 
certain critical raw materials--especially oil and rubber--were not 
available within the Japanese sphere of influence. Instead, Japan 
received most of its oil from the United States and rubber from British 
Malaya, the very two Western nations trying to restrict Japan's 
expansion. U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt's embargo of oil exports 
to Japan pressured the Japanese navy, which had stocks for only about 
six months of operations.

The Japanese army, for its part, was originally concerned with fighting 
the Soviet Union, because of the army's preoccupation with Manchuria and 
China. The Japanese army governed Manchuria indirectly through the 
"puppet" state of Manchuria and developed heavy industry there under its 
favorite agencies, disliking and distrusting the zaibatsu (large 
Japanese corporations). But the Soviet army's resistance to Japanese 
attacks was sufficient to discourage northern expansion.

Meanwhile in 1937, the intensification of Chinese resistance to the 
pressure of the Japanese military drew Japan into a draining war in the 
vast reaches of China proper, and in 1940 into operations in French 
Indochina, far to the south. Thus, when the navy pressed for a 
"southern" strategy of attacking Dutch Indonesia to get its oil and 
British Malaya to control its rubber, the army agreed.

While it seems that economic factors were important in Japanese 
expansion in East Asia, it would be too much to say that colonialism, 
trade protection, and the American embargo compelled Japan to take this 
course. Domestic politics, ideology and racism also played a role.<<
> 
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 7:23 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>> Protagonist wrote:
>>>> Steve Hix wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some
>>>>>> 13,500 tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and
>>>>>> the US some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>>>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>>>>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>>>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>>>>> They were ready!
>>>>>> JS
>>>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>>>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>>>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>>>> JS
>>>   Wow, Stalin made Hitler invade Poland against his will? Amazing,
>>> absolutely amazing. Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>> There was a secret agreement with the Soviets during the Hitler/Stalin
>> pact, in case Germany invade Poland.
>> Hitler would've been happier if Poland returns territories gained after
>> WW1 and sides with the Germans, rather than the half and half partition.
>> Hitler negotiated with the Poles till the last day for the return of the
>> Gdansk corridor and alignment with Germany.
>> Polish response was to mobilize their army, some 750,000!
> 
> It is to LAUGH.  Hitler and his mouthpieces made loud and constant
> demands for the corridor, along with several other concessions that
> would have made Poland's national borders a joke.  They were demands
> that no country could agree to, and Hitler knew it.

Lot of BS!
Gdansk corridor was part of Germany before!
Also, when interest comes:
Poland Joined Hitler in Dismembering Czechoslovakia
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/08/16/200109.php
 >>"As Article 1 of the [Munich] agreement put it, 'when the question of 
the Polish and Hungarian minorities in Czechoslovakia has been settled, 
Germany and Italy will each give a similar guarantee to Czechoslovakia'. 
Poland had been first to share in the spoils. After an ultimatum from 
Warsaw on September 27, 1938, Czechoslovakia had ceded to Poland the 
district of Tesin (Teschen) — an area of some 625 square miles with a 
population of 230,000 people."<<
> 
>> Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?
>> Japan and Russia had a major naval conflict in 1905, Japan won.
> 
> What growing power?  Stalin was too busy murdering his own officer
> corps to be seen as a threat to anyone.  Decapitating your army is a
> _great_ way to scare the neighbors.

Acting, like you don't know!
Soviets had a large army, large industrial out put, building modern 
weapons, tanks, rapid forces, even German military were in the Soviet 
Union for example paratrooper training.
JS

> 
>> Growing Soviet power was a threat to Japan, occupying Manjuria by
>> Japanese forces created a buffer zone between Japan and Russia.
>> At the end of WW2 Soviets did try to take Manjuria.http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/glantz.html
> 
> Yeah, but that was 14 years after Japan moved into Manchuria.
> 
> 


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> We will never know for sure, therefore you are entitled to believe
> whatever you are inclined to. Jews and Zionazis have so much invested
> in Einstein that they will attack anyone who would question his
> accomplishments and credentials. Those on the other side are just as
> closed to an open debate about Einstein being a plagiarist. You have a
> right to question because there are some very suspicious things about
> his work and if he did what they claim, he did or not.
> 
> Have a nice vegetarian day!

i know, you all ways play the double standard game!
Make up your mined and take side.
JS

> 
> On Sep 16, 12:54 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Einstein was also a  strong Zionist supporter, even was offered the
>> presidency of Israel.
>> JS
>>
>> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstein.htm
>>
>>   ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as "a rare genius," who drastically changed
>> the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as
>> 'The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,' he has been made an idol to young
>> people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.
>>
>> THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept and moronic
>> person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces; he contributed NOTHING
>> ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On
>> the contrary -- he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled
>> media made him a 'hero.'
> 
> 


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 9:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> On Sep 15, 7:03 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>> Pro, America had a skeleton of an Army compared to the 1939 forces of
>>>>> Germany.  Try again.
>>>> Right! Also, the largest Navy next to the British!
>>> Your comment was about _tanks_ and our pre-war Navy was not the
>>> modern, offensive force the Kriegsmarine was in 39.
>> Of course idiot, Kreigsmarine wasn't even a match to the British Navy,
>> consisted mostly  of pocket cruisers.
> 
> Now, now, shitforbrains.  I won't call you names if you will afford me
> the same courtesy.
> 
> First off, you neglected to respond to the fact that my response was
> to your comment concerning tanks.  Suddenly, you switch to Navy, and
> use insults instead of debating points.  Bad form, sirrah.
> 
> The pocket cruisers of the KM were more than a match for any unit in
> the RN, as the Bismarck proved in direct confrontation with the Hood.

German navy had only one aircraft carrier, the  Graf Zeppelin, but never 
seen action.
Bismarck and the Tirpitz was the 2 largest battle ships of Germany.
Sinking the Hood, was may be just a lucky shot of the Bismarck.
But the Bismarck, was sunk not long after, by British biplanes.

> The fact that the KM and RN essentially check-mated each other for the
> first year of the war proves your point wrong.
> 
>> U-boats were the backbone of the German navy against Allie shippings.
>> Germans had no aircraft carrier either, like the US had 3 or 4, I think
>> by WW2.
> 
> That was their choice - instead, they were creating dozens or army
> divisions with which to attack their neighbors.  We never used
> aircraft carriers to attack ours.

Because you don't have aggressive neighbors, just lapdogs, like Canada 
and Mexico.
Also, US is 10x? larger land wise, some 4 x more populous than Germany 
with plenty of resources to go around.
US didn't have to pay war reparation like Germany had to, kicking into 
many billions.
Versaille treaty forbid for Germany to build even a simple machine gun 
untill Hitler came into power.
Don't forget, wall street financed Hitler and American large companies 
like IBM, Ford, GE etc... were doing business with him.
In Hitlers office, on his coffee table Fords picture was displayed.




> 
>> Far as land armies goes, the "Enterprise" aircraft carrier took 5 years
>> to build, from 1933-1938 and can be sunk in an hour, if it's out of luck.
>>  >>1933-1940 Chronology
>> Navy Contract Awarded to Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co.
>> Aug 3, 1933
>> Enterprise Keel Laid
>> July 16, 1934
>> Enterprise Launched
>> Oct 3, 1936
>> Enterprise Commissioned
>> May 12, 1938
>> Shake-down Cruise to Rio de Janeiro
>> Summer 1938
>> Caribbean Sea Maneuvers
>> Winter 1938
>> Enterprise Joins Pacific Fleet
>> April 1939<<
> 
> Carrying what combat aircraft?  I.E., were they modern monoplane
> fighters and bombers, or were they obsolete biplanes?

May be these?
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95314.jpg



> 
>>> Our aircraft carriers were carrying short-ranged biplanes at the time and were
>>> hardly a threat to anyone - the same could not be said of the KMs
>>> submarine and battlecruiser fleet.
>> Hmm! Look it all those biplanes!http://ehistory.osu.edu/wwii/pic_data.cfm?id=3953
>> They really kicked the Japs ass!
> 
> I specifically said _1939_, and you show a photo of the Enterprise
> from 1943?  Going back to _1939_, what planes in that photo were
> available to the USN?

Douglas TBD-1 "Devastator" Torpedo Planes were the first US Navy mono 
planes.
First flew in 1935, 129 delivered by 1939.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95314.jpg
> 
>>>> Why the US need a large Army, surrounded by 2 Oceans and no serious
>>>> outside threats.
>>> To... uhhhh, threaten peace-loving countries like Germany and
>>> Japan....?
>> Well, of course putting oil embargo on Japan and moving the US fleet to
>> Hawaii for bait, created all the peace in the specific.
> 
> We attacked no-one.  December 7th, Japan attacked four other countries
> - we are to blame for this?  We embargo'd them AFTER they attacked
> China and did things like bombing neutral ships in Chinese rivers.

Japan want it to get his own resources and not controlled by the US or 
the Soviets.
Why don't you use your head.
> 
>>>> It's easier to build up an Army than a Battle ship or Aircraft carrier.
>>> Building a vessel is far easier than making 10,000 men into a combat-
>>> capable division, then getting them 3,000 miles away and inserting
>>> them into your enemy's territory.
>> oh sure!
>> All it takes is 10,000 rifles and 3 months basic training.
>> Soviets didn't even bother supplying uniforms for some of his soldiers.
> 
> Again, the conversation here is about prewar Germany and America.
> That is not the manner that either Germany or America created an
> Army.  You have a hard time staying in the conversation, don't you?

Germany created a powerful land Army, no way they had a Navy to project 
offensively on the Oceans.
German Navy couldn't even control a Mediterranean Sea, Rommel had a hard 
time to get supplies to Africa. RN sunk them.
Italy, member of the Axis had a large Navy, but also no match to the RN.
As history shown, it was trashed by the RN.


> 
>>>> Hitler was built up at first against the Soviets gaining power in the
>>>> East and became a serious threat to Europe.
>>> That's why he attacked Poland, with assistance from the Soviet Union?
>>> Your logic is _faschinating_.
>>>> latter Hitler took the matter to his own hand and used it for Germany's
>>>> gains and became a bigger threat to the West than the Soviets.
>>> Why do you consider Poland to be "the West"?
>> What?
>> Who's talking about Poland?
> 
> You were talking about how Hitler switched from building an army to
> confront the Soviets to being a threat to the West, somehow forgetting
> that he used those forces to attack a country that was neither the
> Soviet Union, or a country in the West.  You seemed to forget the
> Poles and Hitler's attack on them.

Hitler took France in 3 weeks, a super power of those days, really 
showed German military power. What a modern army can do!
What I said, first Hitler was appeased by the Western powers,  Wall 
street financed him and he was was built up against the communist, the 
Soviets.
No capitalist countries of those days wanted communism in Europe.
Turned out, Germany became a bigger threat than the Soviets.
That's why the West made alliance with the hated Stalin.
JS


> 
> Gordon
> 


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 11:03 pm, Gordon  wrote:
> 
>>> Hmm! Look it all those biplanes!http://ehistory.osu.edu/wwii/pic_data.cfm?id=3953
>>> They really kicked the Japs ass!
>> I specifically said _1939_, and you show a photo of the Enterprise
>> from 1943?  Going back to _1939_, what planes in that photo were
>> available to the USN?
> 
> My mistake - that's Essex, not Enterprise, which you started off given
> the data for, before you decided to insert this link to the Essex (not
> sure why - that certainly isn't a 1939 photo or a 1939 carrier).
> 
> Gordon
> 

Are those biplanes to you with folded wings?
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020682.jpg
USS Enterprise off Puerto Rico, July 23, 1938.

Here's a photo with some biplanes in 1939!
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020603.jpg

Don't forget, RN biplanes torpedoed the Bismark with great success, 
jammed it's rudder.
Slow flying prevented to shoot them down. Bismark's anti aircraft guns 
had an automatic settings, it was calibrated to faster planes, could not 
track slow ones.
JS


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> order wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
>>  >
>>  > On August 12, the Emperor informed the imperial family of his decision
>>  > to surrender.
>>  > Hirohito recorded on August 14 his capitulation announcement which
>>  > was broadcast to the Japanese nation the next day
>>  > despite a short rebellion by fanatic militarists opposed to the
>>  > surrender.
> 
>> What if this rebellion was successful and the war dragged on. What 
>> would be different today?
> 
>     Nothing really credible comes to mind.
> 
> 1) Nukes are dropped once a month 

Haha! Go and grab your self!
US had only 3 A-bombs and it would've take another year or two produce 
another one.
JS


until there is surrender as that was
> the production rate in August 1945. I presume the production rate would 
> increase over time. Eventually there comes a point where the cost of the 
> bomb is greater than the value of the target.
> 
> 2) Russia decides to take the entire nation so the US either stops the 
> bombing in areas they take or does not. You can do 2a, 2b, 2c ... 2z 
> from here.
> 
> 3) The US invades leading to
> 
>     3a) a long and bloody guerrilla war
>     3b) please kill that SOB emperor
>     3c) they kill the SOB emperor themselves
>     3d) civilians meet them politely and offer tea as though there had 
> never been a war
> 


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Hiroshima Facts wrote:
> On Sep 9, 10:18 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
> wrote:
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>>> What if this rebellion was successful and the war dragged on. What would
>>> be different today?
>> This is silly speculation. Japan was defeated with or without the
>> American use of nuclear weapons against civilians.
> 
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military targets.

They were peace full cities, non of them were military targets. US 
picked them for it's natural mountain surroundings, perfect place to 
drop A-bombs and contain radiation.
JS


> 
> 
> 
> 
>> There is nobody
>> more militaristic than the Americans, so describing somebody else as a
>> "fanatic militarist" is hypocrisy.
>>
>> At most, it would have produced a delay of a few weeks. Japan was
>> militarily exhausted.
> 
> Yet for all their exhaustion they were preparing nearly a million
> troops (and thousands of Kamikazes) on southern Kyushu to repel our
> invasion.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> The nuclear bombs were the usual American racism.
> 
> Nah.  We just wanted Japan to surrender.
> 


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Chairman Mao says: wrote:
> Also they wanted to study the damage of the bomb.
> 
> If it had been already bombed out they could not study what was caused by 
> previous bombing and from the bomb.
> 
> 
> The major point is this:
> 
> 1. It finally forced a fanatical country to surrender saving millions of 
> lives (on both sides)

No! Japan did not surrender after the two A-bombed dropped.
They knew the US had no more bombs.
Japan surrendered, because the US excepted Japan conditions to end the 
war, vs. unconditional surrender,
Soviets declaring war on Japan and attacking Manchuria, pressured the US 
to end the war quick.
JS


> 
> 
> Political Correctness and liberalism-leftist ideas were not considered in 
> those days.
> 
> Bill Clinton wasn't the president (Thank God)
> 
> 
> 
> "Hiroshima Facts"  wrote in message 
> news:1189912749.208195.3010@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 15, 10:09 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:18:42 -0700, Hiroshima Facts 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hiroshima was Japan's largest military town.
>>> Explain then why it was never attacked until the last week of the war.
>> Because it was being preserved as a pristine target for the A-bombs,
>> so Japan would see definitively just how powerful the A-bombs really
>> were.
>>
> 
> 


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Gee! Do you make up this stuff, when you having sex with your boyfriend, 
McVay?
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: holocaust/poland plac.zgody.2
> Last-modified: 1993/03/07
> 
> Holocaust denial often asserts that the only
> Jews who died in the camps and elsewhere died from disease. It is because
> of that assertion that I include the following brief quote from Erna
> Rubinstein's book. Clearly, the Nazis had a different concept of "disease
> control" than Mr. Gannon and friends would have you believe...
> 
> "The Germans had discovered that typhus and typhoid fever were spreading in
> the ghetto. On Sunday, 14 March, 1943, a military attachment of SS men
> headed by the ghetto Commanders Get and Haas marched into the ghetto. At
> their command, two thousand people were assembled on Plac Zgody and the
> surrounding streets. Troops were sent into the hospital to select those who
> perhaps wouldn't recover soon enough to go to work, and another commando
> was sent to the hospital for communicable diseases; everyone including the
> nurses and doctors were shot to death. An additional seven hundred
> inhabitants of the ghetto were executed on Plac Zgody. Two thousand others
> were shipped to Auschwitz. An overpowering dread spread through the ghetto
> when the streets strewn with dead bodies and the walls covered with human
> blood were discovered the next morning."
> 
> Excerpted from----------------------------------------------------------
> "The Survivor in Us All - A Memoir of the Holocaust," Erna F. Rubinstein
> (Hamden, Connecticut: Archon Books, 1983) ISBN 0-208-02025-X       p. 72
> ------------------------The Old Frog's Almanac--------------------------
> 


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 6:05 pm, Steve Hix 
> wrote:
>> In article ,
>>
>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>
>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500
>>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US
>>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>> They were ready!
>>> JS
>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>
>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
> 
> That's not entirely true. Russia invaded Finland way before WW2
> started,

Well, if the beginning of WW2 is counted from, when Germany attacked 
Poland sept 1 1939, than you are wrong.
Soviets attacked Finland on November 30, 1939.
JS


  both Britain and the USA were in war production breaking the
> treaty of Versailles before war started. So the USSR, USA, and Britain
> were building and exceeding the agreed amount of war materials
> violating the treaty of Versailles, before Hitler and Germany was.
> 


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:51 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>> On Sep 15, 4:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> Here's Da real stuff!
>>>> No Jewish name stuck this puppy!http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-naz...
>>>> JS
>>>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>>>> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
>>>>> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
>>>>> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
>>>>> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
>>>>> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
>>>>> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
>>>>> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
>>>>> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
>>>>> bridge.
>>>>> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
>>>>> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
>>>>> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
>>>>> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
>>>>> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
>>>>> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
>>>>> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
>>>>> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
>>>>> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
>>>>> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
>>>>> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
>>>>> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
>>>>> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
>>>>> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
>>>>> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
>>>>> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
>>>>> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
>>>>> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
>>>>> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
>>>>> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
>>>>> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
>>>>> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
>>>>> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
>>>>> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
>>>>> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
>>>>> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
>>>>> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
>>>>> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
>>>>> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
>>>>> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
>>>>> provisions.
>>>>> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
>>>>> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
>>>>> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
>>>>> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
>>>>> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
>>>>> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
>>>>> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
>>>>> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
>>>>> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
>>>>> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
>>>>> there will be unity spirit.
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
>>>>> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
>>>>> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
>>>>> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Thank you excellent work!
>>> Proof they had working protoypes of every drawing, and the allies are
>>> again proven evil, in that the allies took possession after
>>> discovering these magnificent feats, and did not reveal them to the
>>> public, they tricked into the war, by telling them Hitler was trying
>>> to rule the world.
>>> Had the Allied governments been legit to themselves being good & pure,
>>> they would have shared the discoveries they made of the German genious
>>> aircraft designers. Instead they stold it and said it's their
>>> craftsmanship.
>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500
>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US
>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>> They were ready!
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> That's amazing, I didn't know that. Then simply there were no errors
> by Adolf in the military decision realm, he just was overwhelmed by
> numbers. And the 200 tanks destroyed by 12th Panzer SS, of which they
> only lost 6 men, wasn't enough as demonstrated by the numbers you gave
> me. It would have had to been 800 tanks destroyed by 200 Panzer SS
> men, to the loss of their 6 men. So no matter what right decisions
> Hitler made, he still couldn't have won, do you agree?
> 

He got very close though! He failed to capture vital resources, like the 
oil fields in Russia (actually he did, but was blown up and would've 
taken over a year to rebuild it)  or in N-Africa.
Germans lost about 3500 tanks through the war, while the Russians lost 
some 12000? tanks or more, don't remember the exact numbers.
It took 3-4 Sherman or T-34 to take out a Tiger tank in tank to tank 
combat. But than, only some 1000+ Tiger was produced and many were taken 
out from the air easily.
German military was geared for high tech, fast moving wars, rather 
quality than quantity.
Axis didn't have the resources, material to fight a long drawn out war.
That's why needed labor camps, where all the loose canons, like the 
Jews, Gypsies of Europe were gathered for war production.
JS


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Now McVay, I'm going to cry for 2 weeks and it is your fault!!!!!
By the way, how much money Jew Rubinstein made on this BS story?
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: places/poland zwodau.01
> Last-Modified: 1994/02/15
> 
> "Finally the truck came to a stop in the grey-green winter snow. We entered
> the gate of a camp. We were counted and recounted again. When we had gotten
> off the truck, we could hardly stand on our frozen feet. The whole world
> seemed to be dominated by the cold glow of the winter sun. Barely noticing
> anything, a few tumbled to the ground. ...
> 
> A group of women took charge of us. Well, the Germans were running out of
> men, we hoped. We were taken to a barrack where two hundred women were
> sleeping. There was a completely different atmosphere here, and the place
> itself was entirely different from any concentration camp we had seen
> before, but we didn't know why. First, we realized that the bunks which
> were three stories high were single. That frightened me a little, for I
> always like to have my sisters near me. But this place was somehow
> different. ... The most important discovery, however, was that none of
> these inmates was Jewish.
> 
> They all surrounded us asking out of curiosity where we had come from, why
> we had been arrested. When we explained that we were there because we were
> Jewish, they couldn't understand and insisted that we must have done
> something against the law, for this particular camp was for criminals only.
> 
> ... There was a group of so-called politicals. They were from Poland. They
> had participated in the Warsaw undergound, and the Germans had caught them
> and imprisoned them. ...
> 
> Soon, we learned something else about Zwodau. There were two thousand
> women, and nearly all of the food was running out. At first, we received a
> slice of bread in the morning and a pot of cold black liquid that looked
> like coffee. In the evening, we each were given a bowl of soup. Very soon,
> the bread disappeared, and after that, we had only the bowl of soup, once a
> day, that is, if we were lucky. All day long, we waited for the soup. We
> rushed to get into line. If we got lucky in front then we ended up with a
> bowl of warm water with nothing it it. The next time, we tried to stand at
> the end of the line; perhaps the soup would be thickest there. But by the
> time our turn came, there was no soup left. The supervisor rolled the
> barrel over; we reached for it with our hands; we tried to find something
> there, some little piece of potato, anything to stop our hunger. We licked
> our fingers, but there was nothing there. Of course, when it was one only
> of the four of us who managed to receive some morsel, we would share
> whatever we had with each other. But what of those others?
> 
> Hunger pains kept us awake at night; and in the morning, when the whistle
> blew and we had to go to the factory to work, we rolled off our beds and
> went to work automatically. Day by day, we were getting weaker. Something I
> had never experienced before was coming clear to me now. How did people die
> of starvation? How did it feel, and how could one possibly live without
> food?
> 
> Was it just a physical agony or did the body and soul die together? I know
> now that is was something nobody could understand without experiencing
> fully to comprehend the anguish one is subjected to. The death which comes
> by starvation is a prolonged death of unutterable torment. 
> 
> ...
> 
> How did we live through this death? Was it because we were young, or was it
> because we were determined to survive? Was it simply a miracle? To the four
> of us it was all these things and even more. It was a feeling of
> togetherness, of belonging, and of the great love we had for each other,
> and an even greater love of life."
> 
> Excerpted from----------------------------------------------------------
> "The Survivor in Us All - A Memoir of the Holocaust," Erna F. Rubinstein
> (Hamden, Connecticut: Archon Books, 1983) ISBN 0-208-02025-X  pp.164-165
> 
>                                 ===
> 
> Helen Fein's "Accounting for Genocide" includes an extensive bibliography,
> including ten citations which deal specifically with the effects of
> extermination and concentration camps on survivors. Those interested in
> this subject are invited to examine Fein, page 420, for sources of study.
> 


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> http://www.ganges.com/Did_Adolf_hitler_really_kill_himself_v1040330/
> 
> Amazing video proves Hitler didn't die.
> 
> Hitler didn't die, so where did he go?
> 
> Spain or Argentina?
> 
> And why didn't that dummy take the advanced airplane drawings with him
> so the allies couldn't get them?
> 

I think you right!
  Hitler took all the Jews with them to Antarctica or to the inner 
Earth, that's why they can't be accounted for, so the left behind Jews 
blaming him with the Holohoax.
Even in the Jewish movie "The Matrix" there is a part, Neo asking:
Where is Zion?
Response: Deep inside Earth, where all ways warm and every one happy!
(o:
JS




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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: orgs/german/farben.ig farben.002
> Last-modified: 1993/10/24
> See Also: holocaust diet.01
> 
>    I.G. Auschwitz: I.G. Farben's Buna (synthetic rubber) division, built
>    near the site of the Auschwitz I and Auschwitz II concentration
>    camps. (Farben eventually built their own corporate concentration
>    camp at the site, to eliminate the need to march prisoners several
>    miles to and from the Buna plant every day, as had been the practice.
>    It was known as Monowitz, and had a sign over the gate which read
>    "Arbeit Macht Frei.")
> 
> [Editor's note: I understand that the "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign can be seen
> today over the gate at Auschwitz I - this raises the question of whether or
> not there were more than one, or if the one the author mentions was moved to
> Auschwitz I at a later date, or if the author was simply incorrect. knm]
> 
>    "Starvation was a permanent guest at Auschwitz.  The diet fed to I.G.
>    Auschwitz inmates, which included the famous 'Buna Soup' - a
>    nutritional aid not available to other prisoners - resulted in an
>    average weight loss for each individual of about six and a half to
>    nine pounds a week.  At the end of a month, the change in the
>    prisoner's appearance was marked; at the end of two months, the
>    inmates were not recognizable except as caricatures formed of skin,
>    bones, and practically no flesh; after three months, they were either
>    dead or so unfit for work that they were marked for release to the
>    gas chambers at Birkenau.  Two physicians who studied the effect of
>    the I.G.  diet on the inmates noticed that 'the normally nourished
>    prisoner at Buna could make up the deficiency by his own body for a
>    period of three months....The prisoners were condemned to burn up
>    their own body weight while working and, providing no infections
>    occurred, finally died of exhaustion.'"    others - typical SS Auschwitz punishment reports> (Borkin, 125)
> 
> 
>                             Work Cited
> 
>    Borkin, Joseph. The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. New York: 
>    The Free Press, 1978, and London: Macmillan Publishing Company. 
> 
> Followups to alt.revisionism
> 

Very lovely story McVay! I must admit, cried all night.
You should suggest Buna soup as a diet plan for Janny Craig  diet center.
http://www.jennycraig.com/Offer/Ads/default3.asp?leadsrc=2100&trm=jenny+craig&gclid=CKuru_Hr1Y4CFR-YYAodzFH_Sg
It can be a winner! Can you imagine it, millions of $$$$ for your bank 
account, McVay.
No massing around with Nizkor any more, rich and wealthy for the rest of 
your life, the hole Mcvay family.
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 22, 5:54 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> [paid zionazi hate propaganda flushed]
>> Question 1:
>>
> 
> Why should anyone answer any zionazi questions?
> 
> As soon as you answer a zionazi question, the zionazi comes back
> asking the same question you just answered. It seems that zionazis can
> do that repeatedly until anyone gullible enough to have tried to
> answer a zionazi's question is exhausted.
> 
> After you get tired of going around in circles with the zionazi asking
> the same question repeatedly and ignoring your responses, the zionazi
> will declare victory.
> 
> That is the zionazi way.
> 
> Did anyone notice that zionazis only ask questions but never answer
> them?
> 
> Have a nice zionazi day!
> 
> 
> 
> 

Why? Because Jews and their cronies after WW2, collected all the 
documents, media and information about the Holohoax and locked it up.
Last 60 years, they only release what "they" want you to know and used 
for propaganda purposes.
Revisionist just gasping for air of left overs, bits of informations.
We just found out, Germans recorded every thing about the concentration 
camps, even the size of lice, but it's not released to the public.
Not in the soon future.
Until people like Mcvay, cashing in on the Holohoax, baiting every one 
with his Holocau$t lies.
JS






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RJ11 wrote:.
> In article <_9OdnfFueOxB62jbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Neil Harrington  wrote:
> 
>    (snip)
> 
>    The most amusing thing about Harrington is that -- on a
> DIFFERENT newsgroup -- he was all too happy to admit that
> Hitler murdered a vast number of people.
> 
>    Have a look at Message-ID:
> 
> 
>    It's a post by Neil Harrington,  using his "seneca" alias.
> 
>    As you will note,  Harrington agreed that Hitler,  Stalin,
> and Mao,  were all "murderers of millions".
> 
>    He also wrote that the number of Pol Pot's victims -- which
> he estimates at close to two million -- is "not nearly in volume"
> compared to the number of Hitler's,  or Stalin's,  or Mao's
> victims.
> 
> RJ.

RJ, How much Mcvay paying you to spend most of your life here on a.r?
JS



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That's correct McVay!
....and don't try to lie to us, that 4 million were killed in Auschwitz 
either.

 >>1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
    so called liberation."<<
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Liar snow, forging the identity 
> "Nizkor Project " wrote:
> 
> ...nothing worth repeating.
> 
> Leading Revisionist Liar snow, you will have to do more than pretend
> to be the Nizkor Project to overcome your well-deserved reputation
> as a liar.
> 
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims. 
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 
> Question 8:
> 
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
> 
> Question 9:
> 
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members 
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
> 
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
> 
> 
> Question 10:
> 
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
> 
>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
> 
> ...and...
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we 
> find, shall we?
> 
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary 
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination 
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of 
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting 
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five 
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of 
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such 
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs, 
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about 
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
> 
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
> says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03, 
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is 
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." 
> 
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, 
> he was lying - again.)
> 
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
> 
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
> or being shot."
> 
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
> 
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: 
> 
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, 
> now that they have been exposed.
> 
> Question 11:
> 
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a 
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
> 
> Please document when and where any of my children have 
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
> 
> Question 12:
> 
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
> 
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
> 
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
> 
> If someone has committed such an offense, you *must* report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
> 
> Are you a criminal AND a liar, Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow?
> 
> 


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Are you sure Holman, Auschwitz children didn't escape and live with wolfs?
http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
JS

Eugene Holman wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> So many children survivors!
>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to 
>> work were gassed upon arrival!
> 
> Unh, no. 
> € the cut-off age was, as a rule, 14.
> € all gassings were ordered stopped in November, 1944.
> € deportations to Auschwitz continued until mid January, 1945.
> 
>> What happened?
> 
> Circumstances changed. 
> 
> Jewish children and adults unfit to work more valuable to the Nazis dead 
> than alive for most of the war. 
> 
> When it became obvious to those in the know that Germany could not win 
> the war, this becoming increasingly clear in early 1944 as the Wehrmacht 
> was retreating from the USSR with the Red Army in their wake, 
> Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler in particular, began to understand that 
> he could use Jews as bargaining chips, and he opened secret negotiations 
> with the Western Allies to exchange them for fuel, trucks, a separate 
> peace, or safe passage for him and his confederates. Jewish children and 
> adults unfit to work were suddenly more valuable to the Nazis alive than 
> dead, because they could be exchanged for things that Germany needed. 
> 
> None of these plans came to anything, but in March, 1945 Himmler did 
> succeed in negotiating a deal with Folke Bernadotte of the Swedish Red 
> cross that resulted in over more than 20,000 detainees in concentration 
> camps in northern Germany, among whom a few thousand were Jews, being 
> handed over to the Swedish Red Cross and evacuated to Sweden. This at 
> least freed space and resources in concentration camps, and allowed 
> Germany, by then a society in chaos and disintegration, to use these 
> resources to accommodate some of the millions of displaced persons from 
> bombed out cities and refugees pouring into the country in front of the 
> advancing Red Army. For details about this often forgotten but important 
> rescue operation, see the article at 
> http://www.jstor.org/view/00220094/ap010108/01a00030/0.
> 
> Most cynically, the sudden discovery of thousands of abandoned women, 
> children, infirm, and elderly people at concentration camps would mean 
> that the advancing Red Army would be confronted with an unexpected 
> humanitarian disaster and have to devote time, energy, and resources to 
> taking care of them, thus enabling Germany to buy time. This is 
> precisely what happened at Auschwitz, where the Red Army was forced to 
> temporarily halt its advance westward because it was simply unable to 
> ignore the thousands of abandoned detainees that it found there. 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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Philty, if there were no gas chambers, how they killed all those children?
Escaped and Lived with wolfs?
http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
JS


Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Sep 6, 2:17 am, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> So many children survivors!
>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to
>> work were gassed upon arrival!
> 
> Nope, not what the history says at all.
> 
>> What happened?
> 
> Ah, you're a stupid liar, Julius.
> 
> (quote)
> 
> The total number of Jewish children deported to and murdered in
> Auschwitz is impossible to determine.  However, one is able to shed
> light on the
> scale of the deportations by analyzing the preserved transport lists
> that
> include the ages of the deportees.
> 
> For France, the lists of names of Jews transported from the transit
> camp at Drancy and other localities have been preserved almost
> entirely.  Deportation of French Jews began on March 27, 1942, and
> ended on August 11, 1944.  A total of 71 transports comprised 69,119
> persons, including at least 9,820 children and juveniles under the age
> of 17.  Of these youngsters, 7,368 were under age 14.  The largest
> number of children arrived in 1942 during July, August, and September.
>  For example, in the August 19 transport, more than half (582) of the
> 1,000 deportees were children.  In the August 26 transport, 552 of the
> 1,057 deportees were children.
> 
> The lists of names of Jewish deportees from Belgium also have been
> preserved almost entirely.  Deportations from Belgium commenced in
> 1942 and continued until 1944.  Among the 24,906 Belgian Jews deported
> to Auschwitz in 27 transports, there were 4,654 children and juveniles
> under age 16.
> 
> Documents pertaining to the transports of Jews from Germany and
> Austria to Auschwitz also have been preserved.  Nearly all these
> transports were supervised by the Berlin Gestapo.  Among the 20,000
> deportees shipped to Auschwitz from 1942 to 1945, more than 2,500 were
> children and juveniles.
> 
> Beginning in July 1942, transports of Jews from the Netherlands began
> arriving in large numbers, mainly via the transit camp at Westerbork.
>>From 1942 through 1944, the total number of Jewish deportees from
> Holland reached about 60,000 persons in 68 transports. Of the 31,662
> deportees in 36 transports analyzed statistically by the Dutch Red
> Cross, 4,903 were children and juveniles under age 17.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Nearly completely preserved transport lists enable us to conclude that
> in 1942-1944, 46,099 persons were deported to Auschwitz from Terezin,
> including at least 6,460 children and juveniles under age 17 and 5,067
> children under 14.
> 
> Deportations of Jews from Greece began in the middle of March 1943.
> Most of the transports originated in Salonika.  During 1944, three
> transports carrying Jews originated in Athens and Rhodes.  From March
> 15 to August 7, 1943, 48,633 Greek Jews from Salonika arrived at
> Auschwitz; only 11,747 of them were placed in the camp after
> selections were made.  The remainder, who constituted nearly 80
> percent of the deportees, were put to death in the gas chambers,
> including about 12,000 children.  In 1944, about 6,000 more Jews from
> Athens and the islands of Corfu and Rhodes were deported to Auschwitz;
> a considerable number of them were children.
> 
> Auschwitz-bound transports of Italian Jews also carried children.
> Deportations of the Jewish population from Italy began in the second
> half of 1943 and reached its peak in 1944.  The first transport,
> carrying 1,030 Jews from Rome, reached Auschwitz on October 23, 1944.
> Aboard were 296 children and juveniles under age 17.  One hundred
> ninety-three of the children were under 10 years old, and 20 were
> infants less than a year old.  Except for the first transport from
> Rome, no documents exist to indicate the number of children among the
> Jewish-Italian deportees.
> 
> [...]
> 
> These estimates allow us to conclude that at least 43,000 of the
> children and juveniles under age 17 who perished in Auschwitz had
> arrived in transports from France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany,
> Austria, Norway, Greece, the Terezin ghetto, Italy and the Soviet
> Union.  However, no figures are available that pertain to the largest
> groups of Jewish children-those sent to Auschwitz with their families
> from Hungary (438,000 persons) and Poland (300,000). Similarly, no
> data are available on the number of children who were among the Jewish
> deportees from Slovakia and Yugoslavia.  But we can conclude that
> children and juveniles constituted roughly 20 percent of these
> arrivals, or 185,000.
> 
> (end quote)
> 
> Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp
> Kubica
> p. 414-417
> 
> That's 228,000 children transported to Auschwitz. According to Kubica,
> only 940 children under the age of 14 remainded in the camp just a few
> days
> before the final evacuation.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Her is one thing most people do not know who it works. I have been at one 
> time involved in freelance Photography. But the principal is always the 
> same, The photographer take the picture and the decision what we will see is 
> taken by someone else. We will only see what the people in charge want us to 
> see. Take a good look at the Auschwitz and Birkenau picture and you will 
> only the worst kind of scenario to promote the holocaust but not any normal 
> photographs.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

Of course!
It is called Holohoax propaganda!
After WW2, Allies locked up all the documents of labor camps!
Since than  only shown to the public, what they want you to see and 
supports the Holocau$t propaganda.
JS

> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:ZtmdnS4hI43qN33bnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Are you sure Holman, Auschwitz children didn't escape and live with wolfs?
>> http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
>> JS
>>
>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> So many children survivors!
>>>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to 
>>>> work were gassed upon arrival!
>>> Unh, no. € the cut-off age was, as a rule, 14.
>>> € all gassings were ordered stopped in November, 1944.
>>> € deportations to Auschwitz continued until mid January, 1945.
>>>
>>>> What happened?
>>> Circumstances changed. Jewish children and adults unfit to work more 
>>> valuable to the Nazis dead than alive for most of the war. When it became 
>>> obvious to those in the know that Germany could not win the war, this 
>>> becoming increasingly clear in early 1944 as the Wehrmacht was retreating 
>>> from the USSR with the Red Army in their wake, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich 
>>> Himmler in particular, began to understand that he could use Jews as 
>>> bargaining chips, and he opened secret negotiations with the Western 
>>> Allies to exchange them for fuel, trucks, a separate peace, or safe 
>>> passage for him and his confederates. Jewish children and adults unfit to 
>>> work were suddenly more valuable to the Nazis alive than dead, because 
>>> they could be exchanged for things that Germany needed. None of these 
>>> plans came to anything, but in March, 1945 Himmler did succeed in 
>>> negotiating a deal with Folke Bernadotte of the Swedish Red cross that 
>>> resulted in over more than 20,000 detainees in concentration camps in 
>>> northern Germany, among whom a few thousand were Jews, being handed over 
>>> to the Swedish Red Cross and evacuated to Sweden. This at least freed 
>>> space and resources in concentration camps, and allowed Germany, by then 
>>> a society in chaos and disintegration, to use these resources to 
>>> accommodate some of the millions of displaced persons from bombed out 
>>> cities and refugees pouring into the country in front of the advancing 
>>> Red Army. For details about this often forgotten but important rescue 
>>> operation, see the article at 
>>> http://www.jstor.org/view/00220094/ap010108/01a00030/0.
>>>
>>> Most cynically, the sudden discovery of thousands of abandoned women, 
>>> children, infirm, and elderly people at concentration camps would mean 
>>> that the advancing Red Army would be confronted with an unexpected 
>>> humanitarian disaster and have to devote time, energy, and resources to 
>>> taking care of them, thus enabling Germany to buy time. This is precisely 
>>> what happened at Auschwitz, where the Red Army was forced to temporarily 
>>> halt its advance westward because it was simply unable to ignore the 
>>> thousands of abandoned detainees that it found there. 
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Eugene Holman 
> 
> 


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar szaki the Proctagonist   wrote:
>> RJ11 wrote:
>>> In article <2eCdneZLd9MtVkHbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>
>>>> British army video shows diseased inmates, moron.
>>>    Lt. Col. Johnston,  of the Royal Army Medical Corps,  had this to say
>>> after his inspection of the Belsen camp:  "There was obvious evidence of
>>> extreme and systematic starvation both in the living and the dead" (source:
>>> "The Belsen Trial",  page 46).
>> By whom, Allies?
>> Bombing all the transportation!
> 
> And yet the SS and local townsfolk were fat, healthy and sassy at the end of the war,
> while the inmates died like flies.
> 
> And yet, the British located 90 TONS of SS gourmet foodstuffs a few kilometers from
> Bergen-Belsen, Leading Revisionist Scholar Szaki the Dimwit.
> 
> Funny how those wascally Allies, "bombing all the transportation," didn't seem to have
> any impact whatsoever on GERMAN food supplies.

...and yet, most inmates were healthy and well fed also!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=107
This photo shows the contrast between healthy and sick survivors.

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=61
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=31
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=40
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=57
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=59
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=80
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=87

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=110

Typhus cases!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=111
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=114

Typhus victim!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=115

Healthy!
http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/pages/Database/SurvivorsPhotos.asp?index=119
JS


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> On Sep 5, 12:12 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> philipmath...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message
>>> news:2eCdneZLd9MtVkHbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Protagonist, the Village Idiot of
>>>>>>>>>>> Pleasanton,   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Typhus  and other diseases claimed most of deaths.
>>>>>>>>>>> Deliberately subjecting captives to conditions of starvation
>>>>>>>>>>> and disease
>>>>>>>>>>> is murder. Period.
>>>>>>>>>> It wasn't deliberate murder, McVay! At the end of war there
>>>>>>>>>> were cramped conditions in the overflown camps. Lack of food
>>>>>>>>>> and medicine!
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it was, Village Idiot of Pleasanton. Live with it - then
>>>>>>>>> explain how it was that SS
>>>>>>>>> camp staff and local citizens near the camps were healthy, fat
>>>>>>>>> and sassy while camp
>>>>>>>>> victims were starving, moron.
>>>>>>>>> I'll wait.
>>>>>>>> SS camp staff was only a few hundred, compare to tens of
>>>>>>>> thousands of inmates. Big difference.
>>>>>>> Not at all - they're all human beings.
>>>>>>>> SS staff and locals didn't have to eat the same food as inmates.
>>>>>>> And why is that, dimwitted szaki?
>>>>>>>> Even if they would share it wouldn't be enough for all inmates.
>>>>>>> It wouldn't do to share real food with untermensch, eh?
>>>>>>>> Auschwitz had over 100 thousand inmates at any time, takes lot
>>>>>>>> of food to feed them all, also managed them, don't you think?
>>>>>>> Sure did, and it was readily available;
>>>>>> Than, can you explain, why on photos most survivors look healthy,
>>>>>> moron of Vancouver?
>>>>> I do not live in Vancouver, Village Idiot of Pleasanton.
>>>>>> Even in Bergen-Belsen?
>>>>>> Did they eat only 300 calories a day, lying McVay, idiot of
>>>>>> Nizkor?
>>>>> Prisoners at Monowitz received 300 calories a day, dimwitted szaki.
>>>>> Those at
>>>>> Bergen-Belsen didn't get that much, as the British Army's
>>>>> liberation film clearly shows:
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/bergen-belsen/
>>>> British army video shows diseased inmates, moron.
>>>> Thousands died in typhus infections, not starvation moron.
>>> Nope, thousands died of starvation.
>>> When you starve someone, they more easily contract many infectious
>>> diseases.
>> No kidding, Philty!
> 
> Ah, it learned something!
> 
>> If a lice crawls up to your ass and infects you with typhus, than bye-bye!
> 
> Hardly, stupid. Typhus is easily treated. The US Army eradicated it in
> Belsen after two weeks.

Right!
By bulldozing all the dead into mass grave!

> 
> Poor health and nutrition makes it more likely you'll contract typhus.

Death from typhus is 60% in poor health and nutrition, 20% for the healthy!
JS

> 
> Are you really so stupid that you think offering whatever nonsense
> comes into that vacuum you call a mind is the same as people who know
> what they're talking about offering information?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 


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Click on the address below, statistical data in the Ukrainian Archives 
in the USA:

http://www.ukar.org/

What was the membership of this NKVD that we see above being so 
repeatedly blamed for the massacre of Ukrainians in the days before 
occupation by German forces? In my analysis [of statistical data in the 
Ukrainian Archives in the USA] presented by Yuri Shapoval, I arrive at 
the conclusion that the senior membership in Ukraine of the organization 
one of whose names became the NKVD was as follows:

Out of every 10 senior members of the Cheka-GPU-NKVD in Ukraine:

     * 6 were Jewish,
     * 2 were Russian,
     * 1 was Ukrainian, and
     * 1 was other.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR15/KGB_Jewish.html
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 7, 5:56 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Her is one thing most people do not know who it works. I have been at one
>>> time involved in freelance Photography. But the principal is always the
>>> same, The photographer take the picture and the decision what we will see is
>>> taken by someone else. We will only see what the people in charge want us to
>>> see. Take a good look at the Auschwitz and Birkenau picture and you will
>>> only the worst kind of scenario to promote the holocaust but not any normal
>>> photographs.
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>> Of course!
>> It is called Holohoax propaganda!
>> After WW2, Allies locked up all the documents of labor camps!
>> Since than  only shown to the public, what they want you to see and
>> supports the Holocau$t propaganda.
>> JS
> 
> Why do you care one way or another?

I grew up on the Holohoax BS and I know it's a lie or half truth!
Last few years, since  the communist came back to power in Hungary, we 
have an expensive Holohoax museum (we never had one, even under 
communism) and praising the Jews, like never been before.
Even Israeli solders came to Hungary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRHczkdT1ls

Do you have Israeli solders parading in the US?
JS


> 
> The Jews are milking the Germans for some things that may or may not
> have happened.
> 
> You say you are a Hungarian.
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> What did the Jews do for the Hungarians other than sticking it to
> them?
> 
> What did the Germans do for the Hungarians other than sticking it to
> them?
> 
> Why are you not as concerned about Stalin's Jewish Communists who
> murdered thousands of your people instead of getting into the pro-
> hollo and anti-hollo argument?
> 
> Did you read Irving's book on the Hungarian Uprising or at least the
> first chapter in the book?
> 
> How do you know for sure if the holohustlers or if the deniers are
> telling the truth or lying?
> 
> What is it to you?
> 
> Have a nice vegetarian day!
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message
>>> news:ZtmdnS4hI43qN33bnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Are you sure Holman, Auschwitz children didn't escape and live with wolfs?
>>>> http://judicial-inc.biz/wolfboy_of_Auschwitz.htm
>>>> JS
>>>> Eugene Holman wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>> So many children survivors!
>>>>>> According to official Holohoax stories, all children and old unfit to
>>>>>> work were gassed upon arrival!
>>>>> Unh, no. € the cut-off age was, as a rule, 14.
>>>>> € all gassings were ordered stopped in November, 1944.
>>>>> € deportations to Auschwitz continued until mid January, 1945.
>>>>>> What happened?
>>>>> Circumstances changed. Jewish children and adults unfit to work more
>>>>> valuable to the Nazis dead than alive for most of the war. When it became
>>>>> obvious to those in the know that Germany could not win the war, this
>>>>> becoming increasingly clear in early 1944 as the Wehrmacht was retreating
>>>>> from the USSR with the Red Army in their wake, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich
>>>>> Himmler in particular, began to understand that he could use Jews as
>>>>> bargaining chips, and he opened secret negotiations with the Western
>>>>> Allies to exchange them for fuel, trucks, a separate peace, or safe
>>>>> passage for him and his confederates. Jewish children and adults unfit to
>>>>> work were suddenly more valuable to the Nazis alive than dead, because
>>>>> they could be exchanged for things that Germany needed. None of these
>>>>> plans came to anything, but in March, 1945 Himmler did succeed in
>>>>> negotiating a deal with Folke Bernadotte of the Swedish Red cross that
>>>>> resulted in over more than 20,000 detainees in concentration camps in
>>>>> northern Germany, among whom a few thousand were Jews, being handed over
>>>>> to the Swedish Red Cross and evacuated to Sweden. This at least freed
>>>>> space and resources in concentration camps, and allowed Germany, by then
>>>>> a society in chaos and disintegration, to use these resources to
>>>>> accommodate some of the millions of displaced persons from bombed out
>>>>> cities and refugees pouring into the country in front of the advancing
>>>>> Red Army. For details about this often forgotten but important rescue
>>>>> operation, see the article at
>>>>> http://www.jstor.org/view/00220094/ap010108/01a00030/0.
>>>>> Most cynically, the sudden discovery of thousands of abandoned women,
>>>>> children, infirm, and elderly people at concentration camps would mean
>>>>> that the advancing Red Army would be confronted with an unexpected
>>>>> humanitarian disaster and have to devote time, energy, and resources to
>>>>> taking care of them, thus enabling Germany to buy time. This is precisely
>>>>> what happened at Auschwitz, where the Red Army was forced to temporarily
>>>>> halt its advance westward because it was simply unable to ignore the
>>>>> thousands of abandoned detainees that it found there. 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Eugene Holman- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> 


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Is Ragland your new soldier McVay?
JS

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <5yXDi.13371$3x.13270@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> snow  wrote:
> 
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims. 
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 
> Question 8:
> 
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
> 
> Question 9:
> 
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members 
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
> 
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
> 
> 
> Question 10:
> 
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
> 
>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
> 
> ...and...
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we 
> find, shall we?
> 
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary 
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination 
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of 
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting 
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five 
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of 
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such 
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs, 
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about 
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
> 
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
> says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03, 
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is 
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." 
> 
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, 
> he was lying - again.)
> 
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
> 
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
> or being shot."
> 
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
> 
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: 
> 
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, 
> now that they have been exposed.
> 
> Question 11:
> 
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a 
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
> 
> Please document when and where any of my children have 
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
> 
> Question 12:
> 
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
> 
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
> 
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
> 
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
> 


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Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans and 
Vietnam.
Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any where 
in the world.
I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che guevara( 
very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, cars, bumper stickers.
But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every where, 
in some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or Germany.
I've never seen any one walking on the street with a Swastika or any 
other Nazi symbols on his T-shirt, any where.
What do they afraid of, after 60 years?
JS





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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:wuednRzEaI-F-H7bnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
> 
>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans 
>> and Vietnam.
> 
>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
> 
> Actually, the death toll from the so-called cold war was quite minor.

Right!
 >>Documents declassified by the Vietnamese government in 1995 revealed 
that 5.1 million people died during the Hanoi's conflict with the United 
States. Four million civilians died in the North and South. Total 
military casualties were put at 1.1 million and 600,000 wounded. Hanoi 
concealed the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the 
population.[125]<<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Casualties

North Korea and South Korea are still in a "state of aggression", in 
2007 - a peace treaty was never signed.
Estimated 4,000,000 Korean casualties, a majority being civilians.
U.S. lost estimated 36,570,100,000 wounded, cost $20-22 billion.
Cease-fire line was at the battle line.
Communism was "contained" in Korea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Korean_War_Massacre.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Americanexecuted1950korea.jpg

> 
>> Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any 
>> where in the world.
> 
> Since most of those countries have endured no pain from communism, why 
> is that surprising?

No pain from communism, Philty?
World commemorate the Holohoax every year, but quiet about the Soviet 
Gulags, ran till '89!
Grab yourself!
> 
>> I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che 
>> guevara( very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, cars, 
>> bumper stickers.
>> But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every 
>> where, in some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or 
>> Germany.
> 
> It is not banned everywhere. It is banned in countries, as the two you 
> named, which experienced the consequences of Nazism.

Officially, but in many countries it is a taboo.

> 
> Why is that so difficult to understand?

Seems, your the one not understanding any thing!
JS

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> 
>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:wuednRzEaI-F-H7bnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
> 
>>>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>>>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans 
>>>> and Vietnam.
>>>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of 
>>>> money.
>>> Actually, the death toll from the so-called cold war was quite 
>>> minor.
>> Right!
> 
> I know!
> 
>>>> Documents declassified by the Vietnamese government in 1995 
>>>> revealed
>> that 5.1 million people died during the Hanoi's conflict with the 
>> United States.
> 
>> North Korea and South Korea are still in a "state of aggression", in 
>> 2007 - a peace treaty was never signed.
>> Estimated 4,000,000 Korean casualties, a majority being civilians.
>> U.S. lost estimated 36,570,100,000 wounded, cost $20-22 billion.
>> Cease-fire line was at the battle line.
>> Communism was "contained" in Korea.
> 
> Is that the best you can do?
> 
> Clearly the Cold War was one of the least deadly of 20th century wars!

You forget, after WW2 plenty of nuclear weapons were stockpiled to avoid 
any major conflict.
Till the end WW2, there was no such mass destructive power.
Thanks for the Jews, now we have.

> 
> Thanks for confirming what I said.

You're only confirming your stupidity.
> 
>>>> Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any 
>>>> where in the world.
>>> Since most of those countries have endured no pain from communism, 
>>> why is that surprising?
>> No pain from communism, Philty?
> 
> Read what I wrote, stupid.
> 
> Since most counties have experienced no pain from communism, why 
> should they enact laws?

No laws against communism, because it's a Jewish invention.
It collapsed than just faded away.
Jews don't kill each other, eh?

> 
>>>> I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che 
>>>> guevara( very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, 
>>>> cars, bumper stickers.
>>>> But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every 
>>>> where, in some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or 
>>>> Germany.
>>> It is not banned everywhere. It is banned in countries, as the two 
>>> you named, which experienced the consequences of Nazism.
>> Officially, but in many countries it is a taboo.
> 
> No, it is taboo in countries with an intimacy of the horrors of a 
> despicable ideology.

Da horror is only the invention of Jews, like your self to make $$$$$!



> 
>>> Why is that so difficult to understand?
>> Seems, your the one not understanding any thing!
> 
> Why is that, stupid?

Look in the mirror some time!
JS

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> 


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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:CJudnWDCzLEo6n7bnZ2dnUVZ_vKunZ2d@comcast.com...
>> philipmathews@comcast.net wrote:
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:wuednRzEaI-F-H7bnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>>>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans and 
>>>> Vietnam.
>>>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
>>> Actually, the death toll from the so-called cold war was quite minor.
>> Right!
>>>> Documents declassified by the Vietnamese government in 1995 revealed
>> that 5.1 million people died during the Hanoi's conflict with the United 
>> States. Four million civilians died in the North and South. Total military 
>> casualties were put at 1.1 million and 600,000 wounded. Hanoi concealed 
>> the figures during the war to avoid demoralizing the population.[125]<<
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Casualties
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The village idiot of Pleasanton obviously doesn't know the difference 
> between the Cold War and war.  Fortunately for Julius Foolius, he cannot be 
> fired from his position in Pleasanton for being TOO stupid.

Single cell brain, McVay puppet, Rich, throwing insults around.
How much Mcvay paying you to , to vomit insults around on AR, Rich Da mouse?
JS




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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Proctagonist", the village idiot of Pleasanton,
> 
>   wrote in message 
> news:wuednRzEaI-F-H7bnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Cold war lasted 50 years, West fighting East, Capitalism against 
>> Communism, including few larger, but limited wars like the Koreans and 
>> Vietnam.
>> Causing countless death, misery, destruction, huge amount of money.
>> Today displaying communist symbols is OK, no laws against it any where in 
>> the world.
>> I've seen young people wearing  Red star, hammer& sickle, Che guevara( 
>> very popular in S-America) etc... symbols on T-shirt, cars, bumper 
>> stickers.
>> But, when it comes to Nazi or Fascist symbols, it is band every where, in 
>> some countries fined with jail, like in Austria or Germany.
>> I've never seen any one walking on the street with a Swastika or any other 
>> Nazi symbols on his T-shirt, any where.
>> What do they afraid of, after 60 years?
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They're probably afraid of, at best, being ridiculed, or, at worst, of being 
> punched in the mouth.  Do you walk around with swastikas on your shirt, 
> Julie? 

Looks like, Jewish Holohoax, paralyzing peoples brain!


  Are you afraid to wear it?
No need, I'm not associated with the them.
Do you wear the star of David on your T-shirt at work, moron Zionist?
> 
> 



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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
> news:13e3uhbjpunra7d@corp.supernews.com...
>> On 9/7/2007 1:01 PM, Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what and how some of things work. We have here a Ozzie Asper
>> No Kurt.  There is no Ozzie Asper.  There is an Ozzie Osbourne, but that
>> is a different person completely.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> Well, since Ozzie Osbourne's wife is a jew, he must be part of the 
> conspiracy.

Her father Don Arden, was such a nice Jew asshole, though!

Don Arden
 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Don Arden (born Harry Levy, 4 January 1926, Manchester, England – died 
21 July 2007, Los Angeles) was an English music manager, agent and 
businessman, best known for overseeing the careers of rock groups The 
Small Faces, Electric Light Orchestra and Black Sabbath.

He achieved notoriety in England for his aggressive, sometimes illegal 
business tactics. He was the father of Sharon Osbourne (father-in-law of 
Ozzy Osbourne) and David Levy, by his wife, Hope Shaw, a former ballet 
dancer/teacher, who predeceased him, dying in 1998. [1]

Arden's success story turned sour when his violent 'negotiating' methods 
and questionable accounting caught up with him, and he became estranged 
>from members of his own family.

Estrangement from Sharon Osbourne

In 1979, one of Arden's successes Black Sabbath sacked their vocalist 
Ozzy Osbourne. Arden's daughter Sharon began to date Ozzy, and took over 
his management from her father.[5] Arden was livid. Reportedly, the next 
time Sharon visited Don, his vicious pet dogs savaged her.[7] She was 
pregnant, and lost the child.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Arden
JS

> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>>
>> Visit the Holocaust History Project
>> http://www.holocaust-history.org 
> 
> 


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http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-faces.htm
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 9, 1:28 pm, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
> 
>> I'm paid $1,000,000 each month.  What does a village idiot get paid by
>> Pleasanton, Julius Foolius?
> 
> Holohustlering pays that good?
> 
> Have a nice holohustlering village idiot zionazi day!
> 
> 

McVay bangs him in the ass every day!
JS


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: places/poland/minsk minsk.001
> Last-Modified: 1993/12/03
> 
> Belarus remembers World War Two Jewish ghetto           
> By Larisa Sayenko 
> 
> MINSK, Belarus, Oct 20 (Reuter) - Leaders of the former Soviet
> republic of Belarus on Wednesday marked the 50th anniversary of the
> destruction of a Nazi ghetto in Minsk with visits to memorials and
> sites where Jews were shot en masse.
> 
> Commemorations of the ghetto, in which 100,000 died before the area
> was levelled in October 1943, entered the second of four days,
> attended by ministers anxious to demonstrate that relations between
> Belarussians and Jews were generally good.
> 
> "It is time to tell the truth -- that the Minsk ghetto was as big a
> symbol of Jewish genocide as Babi Yar and the Warsaw ghetto," Foreign
> Minister Pyotr Kravchenko said earlier this week, referring to Nazi
> atrocities in Ukraine and Poland.
> 
> The ghetto set up by Nazi occupiers had an inner area reserved for
> tens of thousands of Jews brought to Minsk by train from Hamburg.
> Large numbers of deportees were brought from France, Holland, Poland
> and Czechoslovakia.
> 
> The war had a devastating effect on Belarus as a whole -- two million
> people, or one in three residents, were killed and the country was
> left in ruins.
> 
> Before the outbreak of the war, there were 400,000 Jews in Belarus,
> many having settled there because they were banned from living in much
> of tsarist Russia.  Yiddish was declared one of four state languages
> in a 1920s Soviet-era constitution
> 

Of course they celebrate the Holohoax.
That's one of the condition (in fine print) to secure large loans from 
Jew run IMF and World Bank.
Hungry received large loans through Israel, now the country has Israeli 
solders parading there.
Last year, when riots broke out in Budapest, Israeli solders were 
brought in, to protect Jewish centers, synagogues, new Holohoax center.
JS



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ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 6, 11:45 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Is Ragland your new soldier McVay?
>> JS
> 
> Ragland: You made unsubstantiated claims regarding the Holocaust and
> Jews. McVay went to
> to ask ask you to provide evidence and defend himself. Thus far you've
> failed too. I don't work
> for McVay; I'm not part of Nizkor team. I would also like you to
> answer the
> questions.

Are you one of them?
JS

 >>>Backed by a volunteer team of 65 sympathetic computer activists 
around the world, <<<
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.htm

> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>
>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article <5yXDi.13371$3x.13...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> snow  wrote:
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
>>> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
>>> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
>>> with documentary evidence.
>>> Question 1:
>>> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>>> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>>> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>>>    so called liberation."
>>> Please document your claims.
>>> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>>> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>>> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
>>> gassings are a "myth."
>>> Question 3:
>>> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
>>> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
>>> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>>> Please document these claims.
>>> Question 4:
>>> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
>>> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>>> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
>>> I made such a statement.
>>> Question 5:
>>> In article ,
>>> you wrote:
>>> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
>>> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
>>> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
>>> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>>> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
>>> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>>>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
>>> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
>>> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
>>> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
>>> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
>>> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
>>> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
>>> Queen's Bench.
>>>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
>>> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
>>> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
>>> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
>>> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
>>> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
>>> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
>>> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
>>> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
>>> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
>>> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
>>> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>>>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
>>> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
>>> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
>>> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
>>> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
>>> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
>>> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
>>> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
>>> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
>>> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
>>> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
>>> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
>>> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>>>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
>>> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
>>> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
>>> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
>>> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
>>> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
>>> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
>>> legislation.
>>> Question 6:
>>> In article , you wrote:
>>> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
>>> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
>>> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>>> Question 7:
>>> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>>> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
>>> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
>>> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>>> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
>>> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
>>> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>>> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
>>> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
>>> owners."
>>> Question 8:
>>> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
>>> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
>>> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
>>> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
>>> Jewish organizations."
>>> Question 9:
>>> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
>>> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
>>> the forefront of such edits."
>>> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
>>> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>>> Question 10:
>>> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>>>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>>> ...and...
>>>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>>> propaganda)
>>> Let's visithttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/and see what we
>>> find, shall we?
>>> Inhttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
>>> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
>>> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
>>> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
>>> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
>>> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
>>> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
>>> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
>>> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
>>> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>>> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
>>> In the filehttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02we find
>>> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about
>>> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>>> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
>>> says."
>>> In the filehttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
>>> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
>>> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>>> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
>>> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
>>> he was lying - again.)
>>> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
>>> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>>> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
>>> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
>>> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
>>> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
>>> or being shot."
>>> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
>>> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>>> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
>>> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
>>> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
>>> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
>>> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>>>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>>> propaganda)
>>> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
>>> now that they have been exposed.
>>> Question 11:
>>> In article , on August 15,
>>> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
>>> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>>> Please document when and where any of my children have
>>> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>>> Question 12:
>>> In article , posted on
>>> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>>> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -...
>>
>> read more »
> 
> 
> 


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 9, 5:51 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> TurkeyBoy wrote:
>>> On Sep 9, 1:28 pm, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
>>>> I'm paid $1,000,000 each month.  What does a village idiot get paid by
>>>> Pleasanton, Julius Foolius?
>>> Holohustlering pays that good?
>>> Have a nice holohustlering village idiot zionazi day!
>> McVay bangs him in the ass every day!
>> JS
> 
> I do not like dirty talk.
> 

Get use to it, virginal boy!
JS


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  JERUSALEM - In a case that would seem unthinkable in the Jewish state, 
police said Sunday they have cracked a cell of young Israeli neo-Nazis 
accused in a string of attacks on foreign workers, religious Jews, drug 
addicts and gays.
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Eight immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been arrested in 
recent days in connection with at least 15 attacks, and a ninth fled the 
country, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, in the first such known 
cell to be discovered in Israel.

All the suspects are in their late teens or early 20s and have Israeli 
citizenship, Rosenfeld said.

"The level of violence was outrageous," Maj. Revital Almog, who 
investigated the case, told Israel's Army Radio.

A court decided Sunday to keep the young men in custody. They covered 
their faces with their shirts during the hearing, revealing their 
tattooed arms, and did not comment.

News of the arrests came as a shock in Israel, which was founded nearly 
60 years ago as a refuge for Jews in the wake of the Nazi Holocaust and 
remains a most sensitive subject. Any forms of anti-Semitism around the 
world outrage Israelis, and the discovery of such violence in the 
country's midst made the front pages of newspapers and dominated talk on 
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Zionist News
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Nice poster! (o:
JS

http://picasaweb.google.com/xy0110/Misc/photo#5108349632359386514


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Protagonist wrote:
> Nice poster! (o:
> JS
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/xy0110/Misc/photo#5108349632359386514

McVay can print it out, pin it on his bedroom wall!
JS



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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
> 
> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
> 
> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
> 
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these rules
> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken just as
> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice take
> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more
> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions at the
> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time at
> Birkenau."
> 
> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of that
> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much too
> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both Jews
> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 74,000,
> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of the
> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, which
> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
> figure in the first place.
> 
> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a while
> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not take
> up as much room as people would.

Also, needs to be said, HCN or Zyklon-B has a gassing out temperature of 
25C deg, that's why in Dachau, I think, Germans built a modern delousing 
chamber with hot air blower.
Auschwitz, so called gas chambers (morgues) were underground, all ways 
cooler, winter time even worst, colder. HCN would have a hard time for 
gassing out properly and kill people in masses.
JS


  But the Holocaust fiction requires that
> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps several
> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do so,
> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron in the
> bricks of the building.
> 
> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case however
> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would certainly
> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' barracks
> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the alleged
> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in buildings
> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that Nizkor
> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
> 
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue stains
> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas chambers
> would have had the same staining."
> 
> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on the
> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the delousing
> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue on
> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= Prussian
> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
> 
> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of the
> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside the
> guards' barracks.
> 
> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that sounds
> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of the
> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest of us.
> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher than
> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces of
> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, one
> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you is
> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you began
> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of cyanide
> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
> fumigations.
> 
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is not
> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may vary
> considerably under different circumstances."
> 
> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it =does=
> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an atmosphere
> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the rate
> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. That
> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue formation
> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable gas
> chamber scenario.
> 
> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark when he
> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.  "Apparently," my
> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by Alpha
> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation for
> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again and
> again.
> 
> Jerry Abbot. 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

Who's talking about gassing?
Modern delousing chambers.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html
http://www.nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html

JS


> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:BsidnUZLc7LJnnvbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>>>
>>> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
>>> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
>>> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
>>> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
>>> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
>>> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
>>>
>>> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
>>>
>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these 
>>> rules
>>> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken just 
>>> as
>>> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice 
>>> take
>>> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
>>> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more
>>> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions at 
>>> the
>>> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time at
>>> Birkenau."
>>>
>>> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
>>> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of 
>>> that
>>> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much 
>>> too
>>> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both 
>>> Jews
>>> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 
>>> 74,000,
>>> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of 
>>> the
>>> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, 
>>> which
>>> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
>>> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
>>> figure in the first place.
>>>
>>> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
>>> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a 
>>> while
>>> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not 
>>> take
>>> up as much room as people would.
>> Also, needs to be said, HCN or Zyklon-B has a gassing out temperature of 
>> 25C deg, that's why in Dachau, I think, Germans built a modern delousing 
>> chamber with hot air blower.
>> Auschwitz, so called gas chambers (morgues) were underground, all ways 
>> cooler, winter time even worst, colder. HCN would have a hard time for 
>> gassing out properly and kill people in masses.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>  But the Holocaust fiction requires that
>>> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
>>> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps 
>>> several
>>> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do 
>>> so,
>>> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron in 
>>> the
>>> bricks of the building.
>>>
>>> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
>>> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
>>> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case however
>>> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would 
>>> certainly
>>> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' barracks
>>> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the alleged
>>> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in 
>>> buildings
>>> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that 
>>> Nizkor
>>> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue stains
>>> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas 
>>> chambers
>>> would have had the same staining."
>>>
>>> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on 
>>> the
>>> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the 
>>> delousing
>>> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
>>> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue 
>>> on
>>> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
>>> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= Prussian
>>> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
>>>
>>> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
>>> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
>>> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
>>> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when 
>>> he
>>> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of 
>>> the
>>> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside 
>>> the
>>> guards' barracks.
>>>
>>> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that sounds
>>> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
>>> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of the
>>> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest of 
>>> us.
>>> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
>>> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher than
>>> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces of
>>> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, 
>>> one
>>> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you 
>>> is
>>> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
>>> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
>>> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you 
>>> began
>>> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
>>> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of cyanide
>>> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
>>> fumigations.
>>>
>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is not
>>> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may 
>>> vary
>>> considerably under different circumstances."
>>>
>>> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it 
>>> =does=
>>> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an 
>>> atmosphere
>>> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the 
>>> rate
>>> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
>>> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
>>> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. 
>>> That
>>> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue 
>>> formation
>>> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
>>> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable 
>>> gas
>>> chamber scenario.
>>>
>>> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark when 
>>> he
>>> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
>>> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.  "Apparently," 
>>> my
>>> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by Alpha
>>> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
>>> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation 
>>> for
>>> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again 
>>> and
>>> again.
>>>
>>> Jerry Abbot. 
> 
> 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Whatever it was claimed by the Jews or not some statements were made.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> 
> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
> news:Y_oFi.4996$eX2.1043@newsfe03.lga...
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:58:37 GMT
>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>> I think he's suggesting that "Jews Claim That Gassing Were Done In
>> Dachau" 
> 
> 

Hey Kurt!
Read what I said!
Delousing or disinfection chambers, with hot air blowers!
JS


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Explains, why Americans massacred the German guard at Dachau?
Read at the end!
JS


http://www.codoh.com/answer/ansdachau.html

Gas Chambers at Dachau?



Dear AnswerMan,

I understand that it is now conceded by the Promoters that there were no 
homicidal gas chambers at Dachau although that information hasn't made 
it to all concerned. John Cardinal O'Connor of New York has recently 
spoken about "seeing" the gas chambers at Dachau, I'm sorry to say.

   I expect that he is referring to the Potemkin Village "shower head 
gas chamber" which I understand is on display at Dachau - with the claim 
that the Germans were thinking about using it. I have not visited Dachau 
and have not seen this display.

   My question, Anz, is what evidence do we have that the "shower head" 
display is a post-war construction, in short, a phony? I expect I'll 
need this in my campaign to inform the Cardinal.

A. Doyle



AnswerMan!AnswerMan Replies:

AN IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER about Dachau, as far as motive is 
concerned, is that when the US Army took the camp they immediately lined 
up several hundred German soldiers found there and machine gunned them 
to death. This is all laid out in grisly detail in Col. Howard A. 
Buechner's "Dachau: The Hour of the Avenger", which also makes it clear 
that this war crime was committed by American GI's after discovering 
what they thought was a "gas chambers" in the crematorium at the camp.

   The second important thing you have to keep in mind is that the 
Germans were very efficient in materials and the use of buildings. 
Crematoria were isolated from the general camp, for obvious reasons of 
morale. They generated heat. The Germans used that thermal energy to 
make hot water for showers in several camps.

   Every German camp also had to have delousing and disinfestation 
facilities to clean the clothing and persons of incoming arrivals. These 
were also usually isolated from the rest of the camp, to defeat the 
spread of disease.

   The point is that the Germans appear to have used their crematoria 
for more than one purpose: cremation, but also delousing and 
disinfestation. This is clearly shown by the fact that the Dachau 
crematorium has four standard delousing and disinfestation "gas 
chambers" of about 10 cubic meters each. These rooms would be used to 
disinfest the clothing of new arrivals, often using the insecticide 
Zyklon B. Next to such facilities one would expect to find showers: 
these would be used for the new arrivals to wash.

   Of course, since the crematorium also handled dead bodies one should 
also expect that the showers were used by corpse handlers and the "gas 
chambers" were used to disinfest the garments of the dead.

   Now there was a third purpose to which such delousing and 
disinfestation facilities could be used, which was first pointed out by 
CODOH associate Samuel Crowell: air raid shelters and decontamination 
centers in the event of an (aerial) poison gas attack. The Germans were 
very concerned about mustard gas attacks, and the standard treatment for 
such attacks was to clean the clothes and shower the bodies of the 
victims. Crowell has found that laundries and municipal baths were 
appropriated throughout Germany for this purpose, and it stands to 
reason that the showers at the Dachau crematorium would have been 
similarly adapted.

   Indeed, the proof of this contention is shown by the alterations to 
the crematorium that at first glance appear out of place: the gas-tight 
steel door to the shower room, the peephole in the wall adjacent to it, 
the window apertures with gas-tight shutters, and so on.

   In other words, the crematorium at Dachau, like the crematoria at 
Birkenau, had a potentially threefold function: cremation, delousing and 
disinfestation, and gas protection and decontamination in the event of a 
poison gas attack. Recognition of these three facts explains nearly all 
of the design features of the Dachau crematorium, as well as the 
Birkenau crematoria.

   However, something was done to the crematorium after the American 
massacre of April 29, 1945. It seems that the overhead pipes -- 
described in earlier reports -- were removed, and phony tin cones for 
"showerheads" were inserted into some of the remaining holes. The reason 
why this was done appears to have been a strictly local canard: the 
Americans had to try to explain why they had murdered so many Germans on 
the camp's liberation.

   But the fakery did not take root, and already by the end of 1945 the 
myth of Dachau gassings had been pretty much abandoned. Although the 
myth continues to linger, for the simple reason that the shower room in 
the crematorium continues to be described as a "gas chamber." But no one 
seriously claims that anyone was gassed there.


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Could he been used as Hair dryers.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.

You are out of your mined!
Next time read what I'm posting!
JS

> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:Y-GdnWiN4MrPv3vbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Whatever it was claimed by the Jews or not some statements were made.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
>>> news:Y_oFi.4996$eX2.1043@newsfe03.lga...
>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:58:37 GMT
>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>>>
>>>> I think he's suggesting that "Jews Claim That Gassing Were Done In
>>>> Dachau"
>>>
>> Hey Kurt!
>> Read what I said!
>> Delousing or disinfection chambers, with hot air blowers!
>> JS 
> 
> 


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Some German Tourists coming here to British Columbia dolt me there is a sing 
> outside the Dachau Gate saying there were never any gassings done in Dachau.

Please, stop drinking Kurt for a moment and read what I was posting!
They were delousing/disinfecting clothing and personal items aiding the 
processor by using hot air blowers and not hair dryers.
JS



> The sign definitely sets the record straight accusation must have been made 
> before. Then we have the Pictures of the Dachau inmates where they only show 
> the worst. There are plenty of Photographs out there that showing a 
> different picture. When I did return to Nuremberg in April 1945 as a kid. 
> The first issue of the Nuremberger Zeiting said. " Sämtliches wach personal 
> in Dach wuden von den Häftlingen umgebracht. Ich sagte damals zu meinem 
> mutter wo keine augezeugen überlebten gibt es auch keinen richter.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> 
> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:Y-GdnWmN4MppvHvbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>> Who's talking about gassing?
>> Modern delousing chambers.
>> http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html
>> http://www.nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html
>>
>> JS
>>
>>
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:BsidnUZLc7LJnnvbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
>>>>> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
>>>>> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
>>>>> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
>>>>> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
>>>>> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
>>>>>
>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these 
>>>>> rules
>>>>> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken 
>>>>> just as
>>>>> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice 
>>>>> take
>>>>> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
>>>>> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much 
>>>>> more
>>>>> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions 
>>>>> at the
>>>>> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time 
>>>>> at
>>>>> Birkenau."
>>>>>
>>>>> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
>>>>> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of 
>>>>> that
>>>>> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much 
>>>>> too
>>>>> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both 
>>>>> Jews
>>>>> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 
>>>>> 74,000,
>>>>> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, 
>>>>> which
>>>>> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder 
>>>>> what
>>>>> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
>>>>> figure in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
>>>>> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a 
>>>>> while
>>>>> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not 
>>>>> take
>>>>> up as much room as people would.
>>>> Also, needs to be said, HCN or Zyklon-B has a gassing out temperature of 
>>>> 25C deg, that's why in Dachau, I think, Germans built a modern delousing 
>>>> chamber with hot air blower.
>>>> Auschwitz, so called gas chambers (morgues) were underground, all ways 
>>>> cooler, winter time even worst, colder. HCN would have a hard time for 
>>>> gassing out properly and kill people in masses.
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  But the Holocaust fiction requires that
>>>>> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
>>>>> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps 
>>>>> several
>>>>> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do 
>>>>> so,
>>>>> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron 
>>>>> in the
>>>>> bricks of the building.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
>>>>> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
>>>>> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case 
>>>>> however
>>>>> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would 
>>>>> certainly
>>>>> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' 
>>>>> barracks
>>>>> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the 
>>>>> alleged
>>>>> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in 
>>>>> buildings
>>>>> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that 
>>>>> Nizkor
>>>>> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue 
>>>>> stains
>>>>> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas 
>>>>> chambers
>>>>> would have had the same staining."
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on 
>>>>> the
>>>>> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the 
>>>>> delousing
>>>>> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
>>>>> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue 
>>>>> on
>>>>> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
>>>>> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= 
>>>>> Prussian
>>>>> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
>>>>> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
>>>>> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
>>>>> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when 
>>>>> he
>>>>> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside 
>>>>> the
>>>>> guards' barracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that 
>>>>> sounds
>>>>> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
>>>>> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest 
>>>>> of us.
>>>>> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
>>>>> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher 
>>>>> than
>>>>> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces 
>>>>> of
>>>>> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, 
>>>>> one
>>>>> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling 
>>>>> you is
>>>>> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
>>>>> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
>>>>> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you 
>>>>> began
>>>>> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
>>>>> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of 
>>>>> cyanide
>>>>> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
>>>>> fumigations.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is 
>>>>> not
>>>>> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may 
>>>>> vary
>>>>> considerably under different circumstances."
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it 
>>>>> =does=
>>>>> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an 
>>>>> atmosphere
>>>>> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the 
>>>>> rate
>>>>> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
>>>>> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
>>>>> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. 
>>>>> That
>>>>> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue 
>>>>> formation
>>>>> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
>>>>> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any 
>>>>> reasonable gas
>>>>> chamber scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark 
>>>>> when he
>>>>> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
>>>>> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.  "Apparently," 
>>>>> my
>>>>> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by 
>>>>> Alpha
>>>>> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
>>>>> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation 
>>>>> for
>>>>> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again 
>>>>> and
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Abbot.
> 


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Got to see this one!
If ever makes it to main stream!
http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml
http://www.ihr.org/rounduparchive/0706.shtml

JS


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snow wrote:
> 
> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>>  JERUSALEM - In a case that would seem unthinkable in the Jewish 
>> state, police said Sunday they have cracked a cell of young Israeli 
>> neo-Nazis accused in a string of attacks on foreign workers, religious 
>> Jews, drug addicts and gays.
>> ADVERTISEMENT
>>
>> Eight immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been arrested in 
>> recent days in connection with at least 15 attacks, and a ninth fled 
>> the country, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, in the first such 
>> known cell to be discovered in Israel.
>>
>> All the suspects are in their late teens or early 20s and have Israeli 
>> citizenship, Rosenfeld said.
>>
>> "The level of violence was outrageous," Maj. Revital Almog, who 
>> investigated the case, told Israel's Army Radio.
>>
>> A court decided Sunday to keep the young men in custody. They covered 
>> their faces with their shirts during the hearing, revealing their 
>> tattooed arms, and did not comment.
>>
>> News of the arrests came as a shock in Israel, which was founded 
>> nearly 60 years ago as a refuge for Jews in the wake of the Nazi 
>> Holocaust and remains a most sensitive subject. Any forms of 
>> anti-Semitism around the world outrage Israelis, and the discovery of 
>> such violence in the country's midst made the front pages of 
>> newspapers and dominated talk on morning radio shows.
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_neo_nazis
> 
> Of course, every country has a right wing youth movement.  I like how 
> the article mentions they are from former soviet union. Does it have 
> hidden message? Are people from former Soviet Union bad and all 
> anti-semitic?
> Good to see YAHOO News carry such news article.

I think, these Russians with Jewish background, immigrated to Israel, 
later they've seen what a piece of crap country is it, realized Hitler 
was right, so turned into Neo-Nazis.
JS



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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1189576634.526840.303840@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>  TurkeyBoy  wrote:
> 
> That's MR. Holman to you, you disrespectful hypocrite.
> 
> Sara
> 
Holman is a Balfasz, in Hungarian!
Lofasz a fulebe!
JS



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Got to see this one!
If ever makes it to main stream!
http://www.codoh.com/index.shtml
http://www.ihr.org/rounduparchive/0706.shtml

JS


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raglander@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 13, 1:09 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo"  wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:08:32 -0700, cccccdfgdfgdgdfg wrote:
>>> Before the official story of Islamic hijackers was fed to the press,
>>> witnesses on the day in New York describe what they saw on 9/11:
>> Kook.
>>
>> 
>>
>> --
>> Mark K. Bilbo                a.a. #1423
>> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
>> because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
>> - Mussolini
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, a kook but only this 911/conspiracy campaign isn't believed by
> its own leaders; its a purposeful
> disinformation campaign playing on people's fears, hatreds, paranoia
> and gullibility. It's dangerous and
> definitely is denial.The goal or one of the goals is to not trust the
> government and its official 9/11
> story. Arguably, there are still some things we don't know that relate
> to 9/11 but the conspiracy
> makes the most outragous untruthful claims. There are at least two or
> more kooks who post this
> bullshit on here. The Far Right is behind it.
> 
> Michael Ragland
> 

But you believe the Holocau$t?
Makes you a kook your self!
JS


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Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1189810136.299167.163610@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>  LIBERATOR  wrote:
> 
>> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>>
>> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>>
>> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>>
>> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would have
>> won the war.
>>
>> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>> cultures in the name of Communism.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-8507820#r
>> eader-link
>>
>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
> 
> No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists 
> didn't develop amazing things.
> 
> Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country 
> who helped design and build the atomic bomb....

Uh! Sara Shitman, Jewish scientist educated in Germany, like Einstein Da 
plagiarists?
While the US developed the A-bomb in full steam at huge cost through out 
the war, (wonder why?) Hitler had the A-bomb project put on back-burner 
after 1941, because the success of the war.
It became priority after 1943 for the Germans, when it was clear they 
were loosing the war.
Using heavy water is a much better way to control chain reaction, but 
was slower to develop than using pure graphite blocks, US way.
There is also a question, if the US were able to make enough nuclear 
material for 3 bombs?
Even Japan worked on the A-bomb, you think with using Jewish scientist?
So much for the Jewish scientist myth propaganda!
JS



> 
> Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but 
> they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but 
> slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler 
> rushed into war.
> 


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Richard Warren wrote:
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> Are you sure he's schizophrenic?

Rich, with the single cell brain, throws in another dumb one liner! (o:
JS


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Richard Warren wrote:
> "Proctagonist", the village idiot of Pleasanton
> 
>   wrote in message 
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>> Richard Warren wrote:
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>>>> asshole.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you sure he's schizophrenic?
>> Rich, with the single cell brain, throws in another dumb one liner! (o:
>> JS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And yet the village idiot of Pleasanton is constrained to remark on it.  Go 
> run your machine, Julius, but be careful you don't hurt yourself. 
> 
> 

Single brain cell Warren can only insult and threat others.
Go crawl back to your little dark cave, little man!
JS



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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 14, 8:29 pm, "Richard Warren"  wrote:
>> "Joe Sullivan"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:Xns99ABC2F3FFE56nospamjoesullivanhot@216.196.97.136...
>>
>>> Don't try to engage LIBERATOR in conversation, he's a schizophrenic
>>> asshole.
>>> Joe
>> Are you sure he's schizophrenic?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sara Salzman  wrote in
>>> news:catamont-BC7DE9.18200614092007@news-40.giganews.com:
>>>> In article <1189810136.299167.163...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>  LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>>>> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>>>>> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>>>>> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>>>>> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>>>>> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>>>>> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>>>>> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>>>>> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would
>>>>> have won the war.
>>>>> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>>>>> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>>>>> cultures in the name of Communism.
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-
>>> 8
>>>>> 507820#r eader-link
>>>>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
>>>> No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists
>>>> didn't develop amazing things.
>>>> Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country
>>>> who helped design and build the atomic bomb....
>>>> Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but
>>>> they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but
>>>> slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler
>>>> rushed into war.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Einstein was not a scientist but a truck driver they hired and said he
> was Jewish, and it was the work of 10 men both Jews and gentiles
> compiled, of which the intellectual property of other men by contract
> with a corporation, was owned by the Jews, of which they then said the
> hired model Einstein did it all. The atomic bomb was stolen from
> Hitler, he didn't want to do it because of its inhumane results.
> 

Only Jews can create such an evil weapon and use it too!
Hitler never had a priority on the A-bomb till the end of the war, but 
than it was too late.
JS



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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2:44 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Sara Salzman wrote:
>>> In article <1189810136.299167.163...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>>  LIBERATOR  wrote:
>>>> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>>>> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>>>> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>>>> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>>>> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>>>> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>>>> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>>>> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would have
>>>> won the war.
>>>> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>>>> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>>>> cultures in the name of Communism.
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-...
>>>> eader-link
>>>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
>>> No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists
>>> didn't develop amazing things.
>>> Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country
>>> who helped design and build the atomic bomb....
>> Uh! Sara Shitman, Jewish scientist educated in Germany, like Einstein Da
>> plagiarists?
>> While the US developed the A-bomb in full steam at huge cost through out
>> the war, (wonder why?) Hitler had the A-bomb project put on back-burner
>> after 1941, because the success of the war.
>> It became priority after 1943 for the Germans, when it was clear they
>> were loosing the war.
>> Using heavy water is a much better way to control chain reaction, but
>> was slower to develop than using pure graphite blocks, US way.
>> There is also a question, if the US were able to make enough nuclear
>> material for 3 bombs?
>> Even Japan worked on the A-bomb, you think with using Jewish scientist?
>> So much for the Jewish scientist myth propaganda!
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but
>>> they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but
>>> slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler
>>> rushed into war.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> I think Hitler didn't want to proceed the atomic bomb because it was
> inhumane and uncontrollable and too many innocent civilians would be
> murdered, thus he put it on the back burner. And I am willing to bet
> no Jews developed it, they stole it from Hitler.
> 
> Einstein was not educated, he was a model hired to be a professor, the
> Jews liked his appearance and thought "we could hire him and make him
> a Jewish professor with world renown status just because of his
> appearance", of which at least 10 professors Jewish and non-Jewish
> compiled their work, and then they all agreed that they'd allow the
> person you know as "Einstein" to be the professor that developed it.
> The person you know as Einstein isn't educated beyond a truck driver,
> and he was OSS intelligence work.
> 

Einstein is the Big Mac for todays Jew media controlled science industry.
He was a theorist, not a practical scientist.
His Serb wife Malena, non-Jew, whom Einstein betrayed with his 3 
children, was a very smart mathematicians, worked out many problems for 
her idiot husband.
They published many scientific work together, while their marriage was 
happy.
Einstein's most famous for the relativity formula E=m x C sqr, but there 
was nothing new in it, even Newton had a similar formula.
He received his  Nobel prize for his photo-electric work in 1921, not 
the others.
There are lot of fraud in the science business, stealing from each 
other, claiming i did it first.
JS





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Here's Da real stuff!
No Jewish name stuck this puppy!
http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-nazi-stealth/
JS


LIBERATOR wrote:
> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
> 
> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
> bridge.
> 
> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
> 
> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
> provisions.
> 
> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
> 
> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
> there will be unity spirit.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.
> 


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
> 
>    (some insane drivel snipped)
> 
>> Einstein's most famous for the relativity formula E=m x C sqr, but
>> there was nothing new in it, even Newton had a similar formula.
> 
>    What "similar formula" was that,  Julius?
> 
>    (some further insane drivel snipped)
> 
> 
> RJ.

Newton's general relativity, idiotsky!

Was Einstein a plagiarist?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/15/einstein_relativity/


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Here's Da real stuff!
>> No Jewish name stuck this puppy!http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-naz...
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
>>> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
>>> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
>>> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
>>> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
>>> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
>>> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
>>> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
>>> bridge.
>>> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
>>> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
>>> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
>>> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
>>> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
>>> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
>>> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
>>> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
>>> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
>>> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
>>> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
>>> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
>>> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
>>> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
>>> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
>>> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
>>> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
>>> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
>>> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
>>> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
>>> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
>>> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
>>> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
>>> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
>>> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
>>> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
>>> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
>>> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
>>> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
>>> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
>>> provisions.
>>> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
>>> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
>>> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
>>> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
>>> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
>>> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
>>> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
>>> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
>>> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
>>> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
>>> there will be unity spirit.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
>>> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
>>> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
>>> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Thank you excellent work!
> 
> Proof they had working protoypes of every drawing, and the allies are
> again proven evil, in that the allies took possession after
> discovering these magnificent feats, and did not reveal them to the
> public, they tricked into the war, by telling them Hitler was trying
> to rule the world.
> 
> Had the Allied governments been legit to themselves being good & pure,
> they would have shared the discoveries they made of the German genious
> aircraft designers. Instead they stold it and said it's their
> craftsmanship.
> 

If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500 
tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US 
some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one 
year, than Germany through the hole war.
Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
They were ready!
JS


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Einstein was also a  strong Zionist supporter, even was offered the 
presidency of Israel.
JS

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstein.htm

  ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as "a rare genius," who drastically changed 
the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as 
'The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,' he has been made an idol to young 
people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.

THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept and moronic 
person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces; he contributed NOTHING 
ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On 
the contrary -- he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled 
media made him a 'hero.'

When we actually examine the life of Albert Einstein, we find that his 
only 'brilliance' was in his ability to PLAGIARIZE and STEAL OTHER 
PEOPLE'S IDEAS, PASSING THEM OFF AS HIS OWN. Einstein's education, or 
lack thereof, is an important part of this story.

The Encyclopedia Britannica says of Einstein's early education that he 
"showed little scholastic ability." It also says that at the age of 15, 
"with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left school 
with no diploma." Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of his "lack 
of imagination and practical ability." In 1895, Einstein failed a simple 
entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich.

This exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems, and Einstein showed 
himself to be mathematically inept in this exam. He then entered a 
lesser school hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the engineering 
school he could not get into, but after graduating in 1900, he still 
could not get a position at the engineering school!

Unable to go to the school as he had wanted, he got a job (with the help 
of a friend) at the patent office in Bern. He was to be a technical 
expert third class, which meant that he was not competent to hold a 
higher qualified position. Even after publishing his so-called 
ground-breaking papers of 1905 and after working in the patent office 
for six years, he was only elevated to a second class standing. 
Remember, the work he was doing at the patent office, for which he was 
only rated third class, was not quantum mechanics or theoretical 
physics, but was reviewing technical documents for patents of every day 
things; yet he was barely qualified.

He would work at the patent office until 1909, all the while 
continuously trying to get a position at a university, but without 
success. All of these facts are true, but now begins the myth.

Supposedly, while working a full time job, without the aid of university 
colleagues, a staff of graduate students, a laboratory, or any of the 
things normally associated with an academic setting, Einstein in his 
spare time wrote four ground-breaking essays in the field of theoretical 
physics and quantum mechanics that were published in 1905.

Many people have recognized the impossibility of such a feat, including 
Einstein himself, and therefore Einstein has led people to believe that 
many of these ideas came to him in his sleep, out of the blue, because 
indeed that is the only logical explanation of how an admittedly inept 
moron could have written such documents at the age of 26 without any 
real education. THE TRUTH IS: HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS.

Therefore, we will look at each of these ideas and discover the source 
of each. It should be remembered that these ideas are presented by 
Einstein's worshipers as totally new and completely different, each of 
which would change the landscape of science. These four papers dealt 
with the following four ideas, respectively:

    1. The foundation of the photon theory of light;
    2. The equivalence of energy and mass;
    3. The explanation of Brownian motion in liquids;
    4. The special theory of relativity.

Let us first look at the last of these theories, the theory of 
relativity. This is perhaps the most famous idea falsely attributed to 
Einstein. Specifically, this 1905 paper dealt with what Einstein called 
the Special Theory of Relativity (the General Theory would come in 1915).

This theory contradicted the traditional Newtonian mechanics and was 
based upon two premises:

    1. In the absence of acceleration, the laws of nature are the same 
for all observers; and
    2. Since the speed of light is independent of the motion of its 
source, then the time interval between two events is longer for an 
observer in whose frame of reference the events occur at different 
places than for an observer in whose frame of reference the events occur 
in the same place.

This is basically the idea that time passes more slowly as one's 
velocity approaches the speed of light, relative to slower velocities 
where time would pass faster.

This theory has been validated by modern experiments and is the basis 
for modern physics. But these two premises are far from being originally 
Einstein's. FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT WAS A 
CONSTANT AND WAS INDEPENDENT OF THE MOTION OF ITS SOURCE WAS NOT 
EINSTEIN'S AT ALL, BUT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SCOTTISH SCIENTIST JAMES 
MAXWELL in 1878.

Maxwell studied the phenomenon of light extensively and first proposed 
that it was electromagnetic in nature.

James Maxwell wrote an article to this effect for the 1878 edition of 
the Encyclopedia Britannica. His ideas prompted much debate, and by 
1887, as a result of his work and the ensuing debate, the scientific 
community, particularly Lorentz, Michelson, and Morley reached the 
conclusion that the velocity of light was independent of the velocity of 
the observer. Thus, this piece of the Special Theory of Relativity was 
known 27 years before Einstein wrote his paper.

This debate over the nature of light also led Michelson and Morley to 
conduct an important experiment, the results of which could not be 
explained by Newtonian mechanics. They observed a phenomenon caused by 
relativity but they did not understand relativity.

They had attempted to detect the motion of the earth through ether, 
which was a medium thought to be necessary for the propagation of light. 
In response to this problem, in 1880, the Irish physicist George 
Fitzgerald, who had also first proposed a mechanism for producing radio 
waves, wrote a paper which stated that the results of the Michelson 
Morley experiment could be explained if, ". . . the length of material 
bodies change, according as they are moving through the either or across 
it by an amount depending on the square of the ratio of their velocities 
to that of light."

THIS IS THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY, 13 YEARS BEFORE EINSTEIN'S PAPER!

FURTHER . . . IN 1892, HENDRIK LORENTZ, of the Netherlands, proposed the 
same solution and began to greatly expand the idea. All throughout the 
1890's, both Lorentz and Fitzgerald worked on these ideas and wrote 
articles strangely similar to Einstein's Special Theory detailing what 
is now known as the Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction.

In 1898, the Irishman Joseph Larmor wrote down equations explaining the 
Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction and its relativistic consequences, 7 
years before Einstein's paper. By 1904, "Lorentz transformations," the 
series of equations explaining relativity, were published by Lorentz. 
They describe the increase of mass, the shortening of length, and the 
time dilation of a body moving at speeds close to the velocity of light. 
In short, by 1904, everything in "Einstein's paper" regarding the 
Special Theory of Relativity had already been published.

The Frenchman Poincaré‚ had, in 1898, written a paper unifying many of 
these ideas. He stated seven years before Einstein's paper: ". . . we 
have no direct intuition about the equality of two time intervals. The 
simultaneity of two events or the order of their succession, as well as 
the equality of two time intervals, must be defined in such a way that 
the statements of the natural laws be as simple as possible."

Professor Umberto Bartocci, a mathematical historian, of the University 
of Perugia claims that Olinto De Pretto, an industrialist from Vicenza, 
published the equation E=mc^2 in a scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903. 
Einstein allegedly used De Pretto's insight in a major paper published 
in 1905, but De Pretto was never acclaimed.

De Pretto had stumbled on the equation, but not the theory of 
relativity, while speculating about ether in the life of the universe, 
said Prof Bartocci. It was republished in 1904 by Veneto's Royal Science 
Institute, but the equation's significance was not understood.

According to Professor Bartocci, a Swiss Italian named Michele Besso 
alerted Einstein to the research and in 1905 Einstein published his own 
work. It took years for his breakthrough to be grasped. When the penny 
finally dropped, De Pretto's contribution was overlooked while Einstein 
went on to become the century's most famous scientist. De Pretto died in 
1921.

"De Pretto did not discover relativity but there is no doubt that he was 
the first to use the equation. That is hugely significant. I also 
believe, though it's impossible to prove, that Einstein used De Pretto's 
research," said Professor Bartocci, who has written a book on the 
subject. ( The Guardian Unlimited).

Anyone who has read Einstein's 1905 paper will immediately recognize the 
similarity and the lack of originality on the part of Einstein.

Thus, we see that the only thing original about the paper was the term 
'Special Theory of Relativity.' EVERYTHING ELSE WAS PLAGIARIZED. Over 
the next few years, Poincaré‚ became one of the most important lecturers 
and writers regarding relativity, but he never, in any of his papers or 
speeches, mentioned Albert Einstein.

Thus while Poincaré‚ was busy bringing the rest of the academic world up 
to speed regarding relativity, Einstein was still working in the patent 
office in Bern and no one in the academic community thought it necessary 
to give much credence or mention to Einstein's work. Most of these early 
physicists knew that he was a fraud.

This brings us to the explanation of Brownian motion, the subject of 
another of Einstein's 1905 papers. Brownian motion describes the 
irregular motion of a body arising from the thermal energy of the 
molecules of the material in which the body is immersed. The movement 
had first been observed by the Scottish botanist Robert Brown in 1827.

The explanation of this phenomenon has to do with the Kinetic Theory of 
Matter, and it was the American Josiah Gibbs and the Austrian Ludwig 
Boltzmann who first explained this occurrence, not Albert Einstein. In 
fact, the mathematical equation describing the motion contains the 
famous Boltzmann constant, k. Between these two men, they had explained 
by the 1890s everything in Einstein's 1905 paper regarding Brownian motion.

The subject of the equivalence of mass and energy was contained in a 
third paper published by Einstein in 1905. This concept is expressed by 
the famous equation E=mc2. Einstein's biographers categorize this as 
"his most famous and most spectacular conclusion." Even though this idea 
is an obvious conclusion of Einstein's earlier relativity paper, it was 
not included in that paper but was published as an afterthought later in 
the year. Still, the idea of energy-mass equivalence was not original 
with Einstein.

That there was an equivalence between mass and energy had been shown in 
the laboratory in the 1890s by both J. J. Thomsom of Cambridge and by W. 
Kaufmann in Göttingen. In 1900, Poincaré‚ had shown that there was a 
mass relationship for all forms of energy, not just electromagnetic 
energy. Yet, the most probable source of Einstein's plagiarism was 
Friedrich Hasenöhrl, one of the most brilliant, yet unappreciated 
physicists of the era.

Hasenöhrl was the teacher of many of the German scientists who would 
later become famous for a variety of topics. He had worked on the idea 
of the equivalence of mass and energy for many years and had published a 
paper on the topic in 1904 in the very same journal which Einstein would 
publish his plagiarized version in 1905. For his brilliant work in this 
area, Hasenöhrl had received in 1904 a prize from the prestigious Vienna 
Academy of Sciences.

Furthermore, the mathematical relationship of mass and energy was a 
simple deduction from the already well-known equations of Scottish 
physicist James Maxwell. Scientists long understood that the 
mathematical relationship expressed by the equation E=mc2 was the 
logical result of Maxwell's work, they just did not believe it.

THUS, THE EXPERIMENTS OF THOMSON, KAUFMANN, AND FINALLY, AND MOST 
IMPORTANTLY, HASENÖRHL, CONFIRMED MAXWELL'S WORK. IT IS LUDICROUS TO 
BELIEVE THAT EINSTEIN DEVELOPED THIS POSTULATE , particularly in light 
of the fact that Einstein did not have the laboratory necessary to 
conduct the appropriate experiments.

In this same plagiarized article of Einstein's, he suggested to the 
scientific community, "Perhaps it will prove possible to test this 
theory using bodies whose energy content is variable to a high degree 
(e.g., salts of radium)."

This remark demonstrates how little Einstein understood about science, 
for this was truly an outlandish remark. By saying this, Einstein showed 
that he really did not understand basic scientific principles, and that 
he was writing about a topic that he did not understand. In fact, in 
response to this article, J. Precht remarked that such an experiment 
"lies beyond the realm of possible experience."

The last subject dealt with in Einstein's 1905 papers was the foundation 
of the photon theory of light. Einstein wrote about the photoelectric 
effect. The photoelectric effect is the release of electrons from 
certain metals or semiconductors by the action of light. This area of 
research is particularly important to the Einstein myth because it was 
for this topic that he UNJUSTLY received his 1922 Nobel Prize.

But AGAIN IT IS NOT EINSTEIN, BUT WILHELM WIEN AND MAX PLANCK WHO 
DESERVE THE CREDIT. The main point of Einstein's paper, and the point 
for which he is given credit, is that light is emitted and absorbed in 
finite packets called quanta. This was the explanation for the 
photoelectric effect. The photoelectric effect had been explained by 
Heinrich Hertz in 1888. Hertz and others, including Philipp Lenard, 
worked on understanding this phenomenon.

Lenard was the first to show that the energy of the electrons released 
in the photoelectric effect was not governed by the intensity of the 
light but by the frequency of the light. This was an important breakthrough.

Wien and Planck were colleagues and they were the fathers of modern day 
quantum theory. By 1900, Max Planck, based upon his and Wien's work, had 
shown that radiated energy was absorbed and emitted in finite units 
called quanta. The only difference in his work of 1900 and Einstein's 
work of 1905 was that Einstein limited himself to talking about one 
particular type of energy -- light energy. But the principles and 
equations governing the process in general had been deduced by Planck in 
1900. Einstein himself admitted that the obvious conclusion of Planck's 
work was that light also existed in discrete packets of energy. Thus, 
nothing in this paper of Einstein's was original.

After the 1905 papers of Einstein were published, the scientific 
community took little notice and Einstein continued his job at the 
patent office until 1909 when it was arranged by World Jewry for him to 
take a position at a school.

Still, it was not until a 1919 A Jewish newspaper headline that he 
gained any notoriety. With Einstein's academic appointment in 1909, he 
was placed in a position where he could begin to use other people's work 
as his own more openly.

He engaged many of his students to look for ways to prove the theories 
he had supposedly developed, or ways to apply those theories, and then 
he could present the research as his own or at least take partial credit.

In this vein, in 1912, he began to try and express his gravitational 
research in terms of a new, recently developed calculus, which was 
conducive to understanding relativity. This was the beginning of his 
General Theory of Relativity, which he would publish in 1915.

BUT THE MATHEMATICAL WORK WAS NOT DONE BY EINSTEIN -- HE WAS INCAPABLE 
OF IT. Instead, it was performed by the mathematician Marcel Grossmann, 
who in turn used the mathematical principles developed by Berhard 
Riemann, who was the first to develop a sound non-Euclidean geometry, 
which is the basis of all mathematics used to describe relativity.

The General Theory of Relativity applied the principles of relativity to 
the universe; that is, to the gravitational pull of planets and their 
orbits, and the general principle that light rays bend as they pass by a 
massive object. Einstein published an initial paper in 1913 based upon 
the work which Grossmann did, adapting the math of Riemann to 
Relativity. But this paper was filled with errors and the conclusions 
were incorrect.

It appears that Grossmann was not smart enough to figure it out for 
Einstein. So Einstein was forced to look elsewhere to plagiarize his 
General Theory. Einstein published his correct General Theory of 
Relativity in 1915, and said prior to its publication that he, 
"completely succeeded in convincing Hilbert and Klein." He is referring 
to David Hilbert, perhaps the most brilliant mathematician of the 20th 
century, and Felix Klein, another mathematician who had been 
instrumental in the development of the area of calculus that Grossmann 
had used to develop the General Theory of Relativity for Einstein.

Einstein's statement regarding the two men would lead the reader to 
believe that Einstein had changed Hilbert's and Klein's opinions 
regarding General Relativity, and that he had influenced them in their 
thinking.

However, the exact opposite is true. EINSTEIN STOLE THE MAJORITY OF HIS 
GENERAL RELATIVITY WORK FROM THESE TWO MEN, THE REST BEING TAKEN FROM 
GROSSMANN. HILBERT SUBMITTED FOR PUBLICATION, A WEEK BEFORE EINSTEIN 
COMPLETED HIS WORK, A PAPER WHICH CONTAINED THE CORRECT FIELD EQUATIONS, 
OF GENERAL RELATIVITY.

What this means is that Hilbert wrote basically the exact same paper, 
with the same conclusions, before Einstein did. Einstein would have had 
an opportunity to know of Hilbert's work all along, because there were 
friends of his working for Hilbert. Yet, even this was not necessary, 
for Einstein had seen Hilbert's paper in advance of publishing his own. 
Both of these papers were, before being printed, delivered in the form 
of a lecture.

Einstein presented his paper on November 25, 1915 in Berlin and Hilbert 
had presented his paper on November 20 in Göttingen. On November 18, 
Hilbert received a letter from Einstein thanking him for sending him a 
draft of the treatise Hilbert was to deliver on the 20th. So, in fact, 
Hilbert had sent a copy of his work at least two weeks in advance to 
Einstein before either of the two men delivered their lectures, but 
Einstein did not send Hilbert an advance copy of his.

Therefore, THIS SERVES AS INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF THAT EINSTEIN QUICKLY 
PLAGIARIZED THE WORK AND THEN PRESENTED IT, HOPING TO BEAT HILBERT TO 
THE PUNCH. Also, at the same time, Einstein publicly began to belittle 
Hilbert, even though in the previous summer he had praised him in an 
effort to get Hilbert to share his work with him. Hilbert made the 
mistake of sending Einstein this draft copy, but still he delivered his 
work first.

Not only did Hilbert publish his work first, but it was of much higher 
quality than Einstein's. It is known today that there are many problems 
with assumptions made in Einstein's General Theory paper. We know today 
that Hilbert was much closer to the truth. Hilbert's paper is the 
forerunner of the unified field theory of gravitation and 
electromagnetism and of the work of Erwin Schrödinger, whose work is the 
basis of all modern day quantum mechanics.

That the group of men discussed so far were the actual originators of 
the ideas claimed by Einstein was known by the scientific community all 
along. In 1940, a group of German physicists meeting in Austria declared 
that "before Einstein, Aryan scientists like Lorentz, Hasenöhrl, 
Poincaré, etc., had created the foundations of the theory of 
relativity." However the Jewish media did not promote the work of these 
men. The Jewish media did not promote the work of David Hilbert, but 
instead they promoted the work of the Jew Albert Einstein.

As we mentioned earlier, this General Theory, as postulated by Hilbert 
first and in plagiarized form by Einstein second, stated that light rays 
should bend when they pass by a massive object. In 1919, during the 
eclipse of the Sun, light from distant stars passing close to the Sun 
was observed to bend according to the theory. This evidence supported 
the General Theory of Relativity, and the Jew-controlled media 
immediately seized upon the opportunity to prop up Einstein as a hero, 
at the expense of the true genius, David Hilbert.

On November 7th, 1919, the London Times ran an article, the headline of 
which proclaimed, "Revolution in science -- New theory of the Universe 
-- Newtonian ideas overthrown." This was the beginning of the force- 
feeding of the Einstein myth to the masses. In the following years, 
Einstein's earlier 1905 papers were propagandized and Einstein was 
heralded as the originator of all the ideas he had stolen. Because of 
this push by the Jewish media, in 1922, EINSTEIN RECEIVED THE NOBEL 
PRIZE FOR THE WORK HE HAD STOLEN IN 1905 REGARDING THE PHOTOELECTRIC EFFECT.

The establishment of the Einstein farce between 1919 and 1922 was an 
important coup for world Zionism and Jewry. As soon as Einstein had been 
established as an idol to the popular masses of England and America, his 
image was promoted as the rare genius that he is erroneously believed to 
be today.

As such, he immediately began his work as a tool for World Zionism. The 
masses bought into the idea that if someone was so brilliant as to 
change our fundamental understanding of the universe, then certainly we 
ought to listen to his opinions regarding political and social issues.

This is exactly what World Jewry wanted to establish in its ongoing 
effort of social engineering. They certainly did not want someone like 
David Hilbert to be recognized as rare genius. After all, this physicist 
had come from a strong German, Christian background. His grandfather's 
two middle names were 'Fürchtegott Leberecht' or 'Fear God, Live Right.' 
In August of 1934, the day before a vote was to be taken regarding 
installing Adolf Hitler as President of the Reich, Hilbert signed a 
proclamation in support of Adolf Hitler, along with other leading German 
scientists, that was published in the German newspapers. So the Jews 
certainly did not want David Hilbert receiving the credit he deserved.

The Jews did not want Max Planck receiving the credit he deserved 
either. This German's grandfather and great-grandfather had been 
important German theologians, and during World War II he would stay in 
Germany throughout the war, supporting his fatherland the best he could.

The Jews certainly did not want the up-and-coming Erwin Schrödinger to 
be heralded as a genius to the masses. This Austrian physicist would go 
on to teach at Adolf Hitler University in Austria, and he wrote a public 
letter expressing his support for the Third Reich. This Austrian's work 
on the unified field theory was a forerunner of modern physics, even 
though it had been criticized by Einstein, who apparently could not 
understand it.

T he Jews did not want to have Werner Heisenberg promoted as a rare 
genius, even though he would go on to solidify quantum theory and 
contribute to it greatly, as well as develop his famous uncertainty 
principle, in addition to describing the modern atom and nucleus and the 
binding energies that are essential to modern chemistry.

NO, THE JEWS DID NOT WANT HEISENBERG PROMOTED AS A GENIUS BECAUSE HE 
WOULD GO ON TO HEAD THE GERMAN ATOMIC BOMB PROJECT AND SERVE PRISON TIME 
AFTER THE WAR FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE THIRD REICH.

No, the Jews did not want to give credit to any of a number of Germans, 
Austrians, Irishmen, Frenchmen, Scotsmen, Englishmen, and even Americans 
who had contributed to the body of knowledge and evidence from which 
Einstein plagiarized and stole his work.

Instead, they needed to erect Einstein as their golden calf, even though 
he repeatedly and often embarrassed himself with his nonfactual or 
nearsighted comments regarding the work he had supposedly done. For 
example, in 1934, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ran a front page article 
in which Einstein gave an "emphatic denial" regarding the idea of 
practical applications for the "energy of the atom." The article says, 
"But the 'energy of the atom' is something else again. If you believe 
that man will someday be able to harness this boundless energy-to drive 
a great steamship across the ocean on a pint of water, for instance - 
then, according to Einstein, you are wrong"

Again, Einstein clearly did not understand the branch of physics he had 
supposedly founded, though elsewhere in the world at the time 
theoretical research was underway that would lead to the atomic bomb and 
nuclear energy.

But after Einstein was promoted as a god in 1919, he made no real 
attempts to plagiarize any other work. Rather, he began his real purpose 
- evangelizing for the cause of Zionism and World Jewry. Though he did 
publish other articles after this time, all of them were co- authored by 
at least one other person, and in each instance, Einstein had little if 
anything to do with the research that led to the articles; he was merely 
recruited by the co-authors in order to lend credence to their work. 
Thus freed of the pretense of academia, Einstein began his assault for 
World Zionism.

In 1921, Einstein made his first visit to the United States on a fund- 
raising tour for the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and to promote 
Zionism. In April of 1922, Einstein used his status to gain membership 
in a Commission of the League of Nations. In February of 1923, Einstein 
visited Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. In June of 1923, he became a founding 
member of the Association of Friends of the New Russia. In 1926, 
Einstein took a break from his Communist and Zionistic activities to 
again embarrass himself scientifically by criticizing the work of 
Schr”dinger and Heisenberg. Following a brief illness, he resumed his 
Zionistic agenda, wanting an independent Israel and at the same time a 
World Government.

In the 1930s he actively campaigns against all forms of war, although he 
would reverse this position during World War II when he advocated war 
against Germany and the creation of the atomic bomb, which he thought 
was impossible to build. In 1939 and 1940, Einstein, at the request of 
other Jews, wrote two letters to Roosevelt urging an American program to 
develop an atomic bomb to be used on Germany - not Japan. Einstein would 
have no part in the actual construction of the bomb, theoretical or 
practical, because he lacked the skills for either.

In December of 1946, Einstein rekindled his efforts for a World 
Government, with Israel apparently being the only autonomous nation. 
This push continued through the rest of the 1940s. In 1952, Einstein, 
who had been instrumental in the creation of the State of Israel, both 
politically and economically, was offered the presidency of Israel. He 
declined. In 1953, he spent his time attacking the McCarthy Committee, 
and he supported Communists such as J. Robert Oppenheimer. He encouraged 
civil disobedience in response to the McCarthy trials. Finally, on April 
18, 1955, this Jewish demagogue died.

Dead, the Jews no longer had to worry about Einstein making stupid 
statements. His death was just the beginning of his usage and 
exploitation by World Jewry. The Jewish-controlled media continued to 
promote the myth of this Super-Jew long after his death, and as more and 
more of the men who knew better died off, the Jews were more and more 
able to aggrandize his myth and lie more boldly. This brazen lying has 
culminated in the Jew-controlled Time Magazine naming Einstein "The 
Person of the Century".

Einstein was given this title in spite of the clear-cut choice for the 
"Person of the Century," Adolf Hitler. Hitler was indeed named "Man of 
the Year" while he was still living by Time Magazine, and according to a 
December 27, 1999, article in the USA Today, Einstein was chosen over 
Adolf Hitler because of the perceived "nasty public relations fallout" 
that would accompany that choice; yet in internet polling by Time, 
Hitler finished third and was the top serious candidate. Still the issue 
of Time Magazine dedicated to Einstein, which has articles by men with 
names like Isaacson, Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt, is 
interesting to read. For one, they found it necessary to include an 
article rationalizing why they did not pick the obvious choice, Adolf 
Hitler. But more interesting is the article by Stephen Hawking which 
purports to be a history of the theory of relativity. In it, Hawking 
admits many things in this article, such as the fact that Hilbert 
published the General Theory of Relativity before Einstein and that 
FitzGerald and Lorentz deduced the concept of relativity long before 
Einstein. Hawking also writes:

"Einstein was deeply disturbed by the work of Werner Heisenberg in 
Copenhagen, Paul Dirac in Cambridge and Erwin Schr”dinger in Zurich, who 
developed a new picture of reality called quantum mechanics. Einstein 
was horrified by this. Most scientists, however, accepted the validity 
of the new quantum laws because they showed excellent agreement with 
observations. They are the basis of modern developments in chemistry, 
molecular biology and electronics and the foundation of the technology 
that has transformed the world in the past half- century".

This is all very true, yet the same magazine credits Einstein with all 
of the modern developments that Hawking names, even through Einstein was 
so stupid as to be vehemently against the most important idea of modern 
science, just as he opposed Schr”dinger's work in unified field theory 
which was far ahead of its time. The same magazine admits that "success 
eluded" Einstein in the field of explaining the contradictions between 
relativity and quantum mechanics. Today, these contradictions are 
explained by the unified field theory, but Einstein, who proved himself 
to be one of the least intelligent of 20th century scientists, refused 
to believe in either quantum theory or the unified field theory.

To name Einstein as "The Person of the Century" is one of the most 
ludicrous and absurd lies of all time, yet it has been successfully 
pulled off by Isaacson, Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt and 
the Jewish owners of Time Magazine. If the Jews at Time wanted to give 
the title to an inventor or scientist, then the most obvious choice 
would have been men like Hilbert, Planck, or Heisenberg. If they wanted 
to give it to the scientist who most fundamentally changed the lands 
20th century science, then the obvious choice would be William Shockley. 
This Nobel prize winning scientist invented the transistor, which is the 
basis of all modern electronic devices and computers, everything from 
modern cars and telephones, VCRs and watches, to the amazing computers 
which have allowed incomprehensible advances in all fields of science. 
Without the transistor, all forms of science today would be basically in 
the same place that they were in the late 1940s.

However, the Jews cannot allow the due credit to go to William Shockley 
because he spent the majority of his scientific career demonstrating the 
genetic and mental inferiority of non-whites and arguing for their 
sterilization. His scientific, genetic views led the Jews to financially 
destroy Shockley who founded Shockley Semiconductor the first company in 
Silicon Valley, his hometown, to develop computer chips. The Jews hired 
away his entire staff and used them to start Fairchild semiconductor in 
1957 (co-founded by the "Traitorous Eight": Julius Blank, Victor 
Grinich, Jean Hoerni, Gene Kleiner, Jay Last, Gordon Moore, Robert Noyce 
and Sheldon Roberts. Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore left Fairchild in 
1968 to found Intelco . Many other Fairchild employees later the company 
- later called Intel.

No the Jews could not let any of the truly great geniuses of our time be 
recognized, not Henry Ford, not the great German scientists who helped 
the National Socialists in Germany, not Charles Lindbergh, who was 
sympathetic to National Socialist causes, and certainly not William 
Shockley, one of the most brilliant physicists and geneticists of our 
time. Instead, the Jews propped up the Zionist, Communist Albert 
Einstein who hated everything white.

After World War II, Einstein demonstrated his hatred of the White Race 
and of the Germans in particular in the following statements. He was 
asked what he thought about Germany and about re-educating the Germans 
after the war and said:

"The nation has been on the decline mentally and morally since 1870. 
Behind the Nazi party stands the German people, who elected Hitler after 
he had in his book and in his speeches made his shameful intentions 
clear beyond the possibility of misunderstanding. The Germans can be 
killed or constrained after the war, but they cannot be re-educated to a 
democratic way of thinking and acting".

Einstein here is advocating the murder of Germans, because he feels that 
this is the only way that they can be kept in check. He is right about 
one thing, the Germans did knowingly support the cause of National 
Socialism, but what Einstein is attacking is Christianity, because it 
was Christianity that led the German people to overwhelmingly support 
National Socialism. It was the German Christian Faith Movement and the 
Christian Social Party of men like Karl Lueger that led the German 
people to their understanding of Jews. The Jew Daniel Goldhagen has 
recently shown the Christian basis of National Socialism in his book, 
Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, and 
the book Why The Jews? by Prager and Telushkin similarly proves the 
Christian origins of what the Jews call 'anti-Semitism.' Einstein 
understood this and Einstein, like all Jews, hated Christianity. So what 
Einstein was really advocating was the killing and constraining of all 
true Christians, not just Germans Christians. This is the true purpose 
and intent of Zionism and the demagogue Einstein was merely a tool of 
World Zionism and Jewry towards this end.

Zionistic Jews understand that true, primitive Christianity is the 
mortal enemy of mongrel Judaism. This is why the Jews, like Einstein, 
hated Nazi Germany so much, for National Socialist Germany advocated 
primitive, positive Christianity in the 24th point of its Party Platform.

Lewis L. Strauss, the Zionist Chairman of the US Atomic Commission, must 
have had in mind storing the world stock of A and H bombs in the neutral 
country of Israel (also chosen for the United Nations' permanent 
headquarters) for safekeeping to 'satisfy Russian demands,' when, as 
reported in the London Jewish Chronicle of 11th December, 1953, he 
'assisted' President Eisenhower in writing the speech in which 
Eisenhower told the UN General Assembly that the USA would be prepared 
to ease international tension by handing over her Atom and Hydrogen 
weapons to UNO. Eisenhower does not hesitate to accept the advice of 
Strauss, although this Zionist financier is senior partner in the New 
York International Banking firm of Kuhn, Loeb and Co. which in 1917, 
under the direction of Jacob Schiff, then the acknowledged leader of 
world Jewry, financed the Bolshevist revolutionary Trotsky to the extent 
of 20 million dollars.

Albert Einstein, the Zionist scientist, (described by Pravda as one of 
the ten best friends of the Soviet Union in the USA) was also thinking 
along the same lines when he persuaded Roosevelt (Redfield) to authorize 
research into nuclear fission, and recommended the employment of other 
Zionist scientists, who were later to pass the result of the researches 
to the Soviet Union.

Oppenheimer, the chief Einstein appointee, now in disgrace for Communist 
sympathies, and holding up production of the hydrogen bombs until Russia 
came into possession of its secrets: Pontecorvo, the entire host of 
Zionist scientists and agents working for Communism in the notorious spy 
rings of America, Canada, Australia and Great Britain: all have 
obviously been striving to bring about the present situation.

It is this overriding ambition which drives Zionists, even the most 
wealthy, to support Communism, either openly or secretly, only to bring 
the world to a point where it would seem it must accept their long 
envisaged 'peace plan.' "One of the major reasons for my visit to the 
United States," said the mayor of Jerusalem, according to the South 
African Jewish Times of 14th March, 1952, "is to interest Americans in 
the beautification of Jerusalem, the Capital of the World, no less than 
the Capital of Israel."

It all has been decided as described above. Why has so little been heard 
about it? For the simple reason that IT HAS BEEN DECIDED. The matter 
will not be thrown open for Gentile discussion in the popular (?) press 
UNTIL the Nations are browbeaten to the point where they are ready to 
acknowledge the Zionists' "International Super-Government, and WITH 
SUBMISSIVENESS".

(Note: On November 21, 1954, Czecho-Slovakia called upon the Western 
Powers to delay signing the Paris Agreement regarding the re-armament of 
West Germany, until they had discussed with the Russian bloc an 
agreement which might eventually result in a United States of Europe. A 
'United States of Europe' was the aim of Trotsky stated in Bolshevism 
and World Peace, published in 1918. "The task of the proletariat is to 
create a still more powerful fatherland with a far greater power of 
resistance - the Republican United States of Europe, as the foundation 
of the United States of the World").

Jews have been heavily overrepresented among the ranks of theoretical 
physicists. This conclusion remains true even though Einstein, the 
leading figure among Jewish physicists, was a strongly motivated Zionist 
(F”lsing 1997, 494505), opposed assimilation as a contemptible form of 
mimicry (p. 490), preferred to mix with other Jews whom he referred to 
as his tribal companions (p. 489), embraced the uncritical support for 
the Bolshevik regime in Russia typical of so many Jews during the 1920s 
and 1930s, including persistent apology for the Moscow show trials in 
the 1930s (pp. 6445), and switched from a high-minded pacifism during 
World War I, when Jewish interests were not at stake, to advocating the 
building of atomic bombs to defeat Hitler. From his teenage years he 
disliked the Germans and in later life criticized Jewish colleagues for 
converting to Christianity and acting like Prussians. He especially 
disliked Prussians, who were the elite ethnic group in Germany. 
Reviewing his life at age 73, Einstein declared his ethnic affiliation 
in no uncertain terms: 'My relationship with Jewry had become my 
strongest human tie once I achieved complete clarity about our 
precarious position among the nations' (in F”lsing 1997, 488). According 
to F”lsing, Einstein had begun developing this clarity from an early 
age, but did not acknowledge it until much later, a form of 
self-deception: As a young man with bourgeois-liberal views and a belief 
in enlightenment, he had refused to acknowledge it until much later, a 
form of self-deception: As a young man with bourgeois-liberal views and 
a belief in enlightenment, he had refused to acknowledge [his Jewish 
identity] (in F”lsing 1997, 488).

Fire from the Sky
By One Who Knows
(www.subversiveelement.com/firefromsky29.html)

Albert Einstein is a good example of another deception and hoax involved 
with the atomic bomb program. When many people think of the atomic bomb 
they think of Einstein. He was presented as the world's greatest 
scientist, and a hero of the atomic bomb program. Upon closer 
inspection, you will find that his major contributions were his use of 
his influence to obtain President Roosevelt's support for the bomb and 
he was the one personally responsible for bringing the major Communist 
atomic spy Klaus Fuchs into the Program. The Russians know nothing about 
the atomic bomb until Fuchs brought it to their attention in 1942. 
(*Heisenberg's War,* p. 524).

Thanks to Fuchs, (and to a massive amount of Secret material illegally 
shipped through Lend-Lease) they were able to explode their own bomb in 
1949. Einstein was a communist cell member with Fuchs. Fuchs was the top 
scientist on the Manhattan Project and he gave the atomic secrets to the 
Soviets. (Jordan, George Recey, *From Major Jordan's Diaries,* Harcourt, 
Brace and Co., New York, 1952.)

We are taught that Einstein is the author of the Theory of Relativity, 
yet evidence has come for the proving that the real author was Mileva 
Maric, Einstein's first wife.

Einstein had a reputation at the Swiss Polytechnic Institute in Zurich 
of being a man with poor work habits and was often reprimanded for 
laziness during all his school years, including the University. He 
developed a romance with classmate Mileva who helped him with his math. 
His autobiography says "In my work participated a Serbian student Mileva 
Maric who I married later." She had an illegitimate daughter in 1902, 
which they gave up for adoption. They got married in 1903, separated in 
1912 and divorced in 1919. This is when Einstein married his cousin 
Elsa. The original manuscript of the *The Theory of Relativity* 
submitted for publication had Maric's name on it as co-author.

For more proof, see the article "Theory of Relativity - Who is its Real 
Author?" by Dr. Rastko Maglic and J. W. McGinnis, President, 
International Tesla Society, in the Jul/Aug 1994 issue of *Extraordinary 
Science* magazine, which contains references for further documentation.

Einstein was a hoax and fraud saddled on the scientific community to 
prevent them from learning too much and to promote Jews as being 
superior, sort of Nazism in reverse.

Einstein's famous equation "E=MC squared" is WRONG, or at best only 
partially correct. His definition of energy is WRONG, his definition of 
mass is WRONG, C is defined as the top speed possible for anything, then 
it is squared, which would be even faster and thus contradicts the 
definition. Light is described as a constant, which is WRONG as defined. 
In a higher understanding, light does not move, our perception of the 
speed of light is WRONG.

Those who REALLY understand, and who can prove it by creating matter out 
of "nothing" for instance, say that the original WHITE LIGHT is 
invisible and still. Read books by Walter Russell for more information.

Einstein was a Zionist with membership in at least 16 Communist front 
organizations such as Friends of the Soviet. Einstein was head of the 
Jewish Black Book Committee, which was listed as a Communist front in 
the 1947 House Un-American Activities Committee Report.

The correct science being discovered and revealed by such as Nikola 
Tesla, Walter Russell, Tom Bearden, Andrija Puharich, etc., was 
suppressed to prevent humanity from achieving energy independence (and 
thus political and military independence) from the 
Rockefeller/Rothschild oil/nuclear energy barons. This same technology 
leads to understanding of good health, and thus independence from the 
drug/medical crowd, who happen to be the same oil crowd crooks. einstein.htm

Also see Albert Einstein: A Jewish Myth, Italian Published E=mc2 Two 
Years Before Einstein and The Eclipse of 1919  Albert Einstein: 
Plagiarist of the Century?  Nexus Magazine, vol.11 #1, Dec-Jan.,2004 
Albert Einstein:The Incorrigible Plagiarist  The Secret History of the 
Atomic Bomb  The Manufacture and Sale of Einstein by Christopher Jon 
Bjerknes


Commentary from a Reader with some scientific background (melundbe@mtu.edu):

Hi, I came across your little webpage about how Einstein was not a 
brilliant physicist. I'm sure you don't want glaring holes in the 
quality of your writings, so I'd like to inform you of a few problems 
with your article's logic.

Almost your entire article surrounds the idea of "HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND 
PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS", but this not a valid argument for a few 
reasons. Everyone steals ideas in science, it's called learning things. 
The whole of a science is more than the sum of its parts, it is also how 
the parts connect.

No scientist works in a vacuum. Legend has it Newton himself said "If I 
have seen farther than other men, it was by standing on the shoulders of 
giants". He acknowledged the great thinkers before him. What you're 
missing is that it's the same for Einstein. What he brought to physics 
wasn't a bunch of new stuff, it was more like bringing a method for the 
madness.

Lorentz had the math worked out (it's likely Einstein's wife did much of 
the math, but it is not unusual for scientists to have other people do 
part of the work), Maxwell figured out what light was, Planck got us 
stuck with quantum theory, and Newton supplied his well-established 
classical theory of mechanics. What Einstein did was read these papers, 
sit back in his patent-office seat, and ask himself "What sort of 
assumptions can I make that results in physical behavior like this?", 
and he boiled it down to just two short sentences. " Physical Laws are 
invariant in inertial reference frames", and "Speed of Light radiation 
in a vacuum is constant".

Using this and the previous theories I mentioned, physicists were able 
to rederive their science, but this time with understanding. There's a 
world of difference between finding a law and understanding the 
underlying theory. This has allowed them to progress further. Relativity 
explains mass-energy equivalence, and suggests avenues to explore the 
reason inertial mass and gravitational mass are the same. Connecting the 
dots is a very important thing in science, and the ones that do it are 
usually hailed as great men (germ theory, gene theory, etc).

It had been shown that for most cases on Earth and in the Solar System, 
classical mechanics equations and the law of gravity work very well. 
That means any new theories had to agree with with Newton in these 
realms. Special Relativity agrees in most cases we observe (which is why 
engineers study Classical Mechanics), and solves some problems for us in 
more exotic locales and situations. What Mercury showed us wasn't just 
gravitational lensing, its orbit is also a little too fast for Newton's 
laws.

While some of the weirdness in the orbit can be explained by an 
invisible planet, Relativity calculates Mercury's observed orbit 
perfectly. Since Mercury, there have been uncounted more detailed 
observations in astronomy and in high-energy particle experiments that 
validates this theory. Actually, this makes it one of the "truest" 
descriptions of reality.

The dots connected by the Brownian motion paper are less far-reaching, 
but still significant enough for anyone to be proud of. In this paper 
(which I haven't read, to be honest), Einstein puts some quantum theory 
in with statistical mechanics type stuff, and out comes a reason for the 
odd behavior exhibited by Brownian motion. It's very math-intensive, 
which is why I never got into it, but it served a great use at the time 
in establishing quantum theory.

Finally, the photoelectric effect. This demonstrates wave-particle 
duality of light. Since Newton, wave theory of light was very popular 
again(but not universally accepted), and Einstein helped swing the 
pendulum firmly to the middle, where it belongs. Also, physicists were 
now able to control electrons better, which was good for experimental 
reasons.

In conclusion, I just want to say that all of Einstein's theories would 
have been discovered by other people. He just got there first, by coming 
>from outside the establishment and looking at it with a new perspective. 
His findings were very important, of this there can be no doubt. And he 
was intelligent. How else can you explain how he could constantly hang 
out with so many incredibly smart men?


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 3:43 pm, RJ11  wrote:
>> In article <1189891475.417979.72...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> LIBERATOR   wrote:
>>
>>    (some drivel given the snip)
>>
>>    Speaking of Nazi technology:
>>
>>    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/CrematoriumII.jpg
>>    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Birkenau/CrematoriumIV.jpg
>>    http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Furnace.jpg
>>
>> RJ.
> 
> You're one of those liars? Or one who believes allied intelligence
> staged stratagems?
> 
> You don't really believe any of this holocaust crap do you?
> 

RJ Da Swede Jew, been posting this same crappy picture of typhus victims
last few years here.
He's like a broken record.
JS


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RJ11 wrote:
> In article <1189893543.311783.194710@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> LIBERATOR   wrote:
> 
>    ("Holocaust revisionism" drivel snipped)
> 
>    Just deal with the evidence,  please.
> 
>    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
> 
>    Mass graves found at Nazi camp
> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
> 
>    The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
> 
>    
> 
> 
> RJ.

Date is 2001, ever since than Da Jews couldn't afford shovels to dig  up 
those dead horses.
JS


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Here's Da real stuff!
>> No Jewish name stuck this puppy!http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-naz...
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
>>> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
>>> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
>>> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
>>> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
>>> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
>>> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
>>> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
>>> bridge.
>>> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
>>> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
>>> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
>>> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
>>> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
>>> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
>>> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
>>> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
>>> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
>>> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
>>> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
>>> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
>>> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
>>> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
>>> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
>>> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
>>> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
>>> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
>>> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
>>> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
>>> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
>>> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
>>> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
>>> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
>>> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
>>> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
>>> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
>>> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
>>> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
>>> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
>>> provisions.
>>> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
>>> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
>>> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
>>> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
>>> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
>>> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
>>> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
>>> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
>>> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
>>> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
>>> there will be unity spirit.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
>>> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
>>> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
>>> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Thank you excellent work!
> 
> Proof they had working protoypes of every drawing, and the allies are
> again proven evil, in that the allies took possession after
> discovering these magnificent feats, and did not reveal them to the
> public, they tricked into the war, by telling them Hitler was trying
> to rule the world.
> 
> Had the Allied governments been legit to themselves being good & pure,
> they would have shared the discoveries they made of the German genious
> aircraft designers. Instead they stold it and said it's their
> craftsmanship.
> 

Dornier Do 335 was push/pull prop piston driven fighter plane, faster 
than any similar planes the Allies had.
JS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornier_Do_335
 >>In his book The Big Show, French ace Pierre Clostermann claims the 
first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a 
flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern 
Germany, he intercepted by chance a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed 
at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot 
reversed course to evade. In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed, 
the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position.

[edit] Survivors
The only surviving Do 335 (VG+PH) at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center 
near Washington, DC
The only surviving Do 335 (VG+PH) at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center 
near Washington, DC

Only one Do 335 survives today. The aircraft was the second 
preproduction Do 335 A-0, designated A-02, with construction number 
(Werknummer) 240102, and factory radio code registration, or 
Stammkennzeichen, of VG+PH. The aircraft was assembled at Dornier's 
plant in Oberpfaffenhofen (southern Germany) on April 16, 1945. It was 
captured by allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. The aircraft 
was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to 
Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51's. The Do 335 was easily 
able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 
minutes before the P-51's. VG+PH was one of two Do 335's to be shipped 
to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS Reaper, along with 
other captured German aircraft, to be used for testing and evaluation 
under a USAAF program called "Operation Sea Horse." One Do 335, with 
registration FE-1012, went to the USAAF and was tested in early 1946 at 
Freeman Field, Indiana. Its fate is a mystery.<<


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Steve Hix wrote:
> In article ,
>  Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500 
>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US 
>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one 
>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>> They were ready!
>> JS
> 
> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded 
> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
> 
> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.

read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?

http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
JS


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 5:35 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Steve Hix wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500
>>>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US
>>>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>>> They were ready!
>>>> JS
> 
> Pro, America had a skeleton of an Army compared to the 1939 forces of
> Germany.  Try again.

Right! Also, the largest Navy next to the British!
Why the US need a large Army, surrounded by 2 Oceans and no serious 
outside threats.
It's easier to build up an Army than a Battle ship or Aircraft carrier.



> 
>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>
>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Quoting Viktor Suvorov?  Now THERE'S a credible guy.  I have a hard
> time believing anyone that needs an alias...

I heard the same Icebreaker story, from other sources also.
Hitler was built up at first against the Soviets gaining power in the 
East and became a serious threat to Europe.
latter Hitler took the matter to his own hand and used it for Germany's 
gains and became a bigger threat to the West than the Soviets.

JS

> 
> Gordon
> 


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Dan wrote:
> Protagonist wrote:
>> Steve Hix wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 
>>>> 13,500 tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and 
>>>> the US some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one 
>>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>>> They were ready!
>>>> JS
>>>
>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded 
>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>>
>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>>
>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>
>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>> JS
> 
>   Wow, Stalin made Hitler invade Poland against his will? Amazing, 
> absolutely amazing. Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?
> 
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

There was a secret agreement with the Soviets during the Hitler/Stalin 
pact, in case Germany invade Poland.
Hitler would've been happier if Poland returns territories gained after 
WW1 and sides with the Germans, rather than the half and half partition.
Hitler negotiated with the Poles till the last day for the return of the 
Gdansk corridor and alignment with Germany.
Polish response was to mobilize their army, some 750,000!

Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?

Japan and Russia had a major naval conflict in 1905, Japan won.
Growing Soviet power was a threat to Japan, occupying Manjuria by 
Japanese forces created a buffer zone between Japan and Russia.
At the end of WW2 Soviets did try to take Manjuria.
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/glantz.html


JS






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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus Dimwit the Szaki, aka
> Proctagonist   wrote:
> 
> [nothing worth repeating]
> 
> In response to your question, Dimwitted Szaki, "No, no and no."

Stick with your Buna soup, idiot of Vancouver.
JS

> 
> 
> Question 1:
> -----------
> 
> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never been 
>  presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say that 
>  between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were killed by 
>  the special action units."
> 
> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the 
>  Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its units 
>  at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting 
>  partisans." 
> 
> "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - and all evidence 
>  is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still nowhere near the 5 
>  million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet Union's territory." 
> 
> (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID 
>  6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
> 
> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross exaggeration,
> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
> 
> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the pages
> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and publication
> date, and the author's name.
> 
> Question 2:
> -----------
> 
> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 (First
> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
> 
> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet alt.revisionism,
> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
> 
> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
> 
> Question 3:
> -----------
> 
> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical Battalion and
> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation of 
> the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a fictional
> account. You wrote:
> 
> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really made me
> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
> as Sgt. Farris described them.
> 
> Question 4:
> -----------
> On August 19, 2005, in article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
> 
> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your evidence
> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
> 
> Question 5:
> -----------
> 
> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
> 
>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>  
>> *You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
> 
> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake 
> information."
> 
> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy of
> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
> 
> Question 6:
> -----------
> 
> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. Sigmund Rascher:
> 
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>> Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
> 
> [...]
>  
>> *Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing 
>> else about the Holocau$t!
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown on 
> two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
> 
> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as valid.
> 
> Question 7
> ----------
> 
> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
> you made the following claim:
> 
> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
> good"
> 
> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used inflated numbers.
> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with respect to that
> report.
> 
> Question 8
> ----------
> 
> On October 23, 2005, in article ,
> you wrote:
> 
>> Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other 
>> people misfortune and misery!
> 
> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit. 
> 
> 


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 7:03 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
> 
>>> Pro, America had a skeleton of an Army compared to the 1939 forces of
>>> Germany.  Try again.
>> Right! Also, the largest Navy next to the British!
> 
> Your comment was about _tanks_ and our pre-war Navy was not the
> modern, offensive force the Kriegsmarine was in 39. 

Of course idiot, Kreigsmarine wasn't even a match to the British Navy, 
consisted mostly  of pocket cruisers.
U-boats were the backbone of the German navy against Allie shippings.
Germans had no aircraft carrier either, like the US had 3 or 4, I think 
by WW2.
Far as land armies goes, the "Enterprise" aircraft carrier took 5 years 
to build, from 1933-1938 and can be sunk in an hour, if it's out of luck.
 >>1933-1940 Chronology
Navy Contract Awarded to Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co.
Aug 3, 1933
Enterprise Keel Laid
July 16, 1934
Enterprise Launched
Oct 3, 1936
Enterprise Commissioned
May 12, 1938
Shake-down Cruise to Rio de Janeiro
Summer 1938
Caribbean Sea Maneuvers
Winter 1938
Enterprise Joins Pacific Fleet
April 1939<<



.
  Our aircraft
> carriers were carrying short-ranged biplanes at the time and were
> hardly a threat to anyone - the same could not be said of the KMs
> submarine and battlecruiser fleet.

Hmm! Look it all those biplanes!
http://ehistory.osu.edu/wwii/pic_data.cfm?id=3953
They really kicked the Japs ass!


> 
>> Why the US need a large Army, surrounded by 2 Oceans and no serious
>> outside threats.
> 
> To... uhhhh, threaten peace-loving countries like Germany and
> Japan....?

Well, of course putting oil embargo on Japan and moving the US fleet to 
Hawaii for bait, created all the peace in the specific.
> 
>> It's easier to build up an Army than a Battle ship or Aircraft carrier.
> 
> Building a vessel is far easier than making 10,000 men into a combat-
> capable division, then getting them 3,000 miles away and inserting
> them into your enemy's territory.

oh sure!
All it takes is 10,000 rifles and 3 months basic training.
Soviets didn't even bother supplying uniforms for some of his soldiers.

> 
>>>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>>>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>>>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>>>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Quoting Viktor Suvorov?  Now THERE'S a credible guy.  I have a hard
>>> time believing anyone that needs an alias...
>> I heard the same Icebreaker story, from other sources also.
> 
> You heard it, or read it on the internet?

I read it from an online article, Hungarian general interviewed by a 
major newspaper.
> 
>> Hitler was built up at first against the Soviets gaining power in the
>> East and became a serious threat to Europe.
> 
> That's why he attacked Poland, with assistance from the Soviet Union?
> Your logic is _faschinating_.
> 
>> latter Hitler took the matter to his own hand and used it for Germany's
>> gains and became a bigger threat to the West than the Soviets.
> 
> Why do you consider Poland to be "the West"?

What?
Who's talking about Poland?
JS



> 
> Gordon
> 


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Dan wrote:
> Protagonist wrote:
> 
>> Well, of course putting oil embargo on Japan and moving the US fleet 
>> to Hawaii for bait, created all the peace in the specific.
>>>
> 
>   Not to put too fine a point on things but the fleet was there 
> partially as a response to Japan's aggression. 

Of course Japans aggression came from hot air, as a resource starved 
island country, size of California!



The strategic materials
> embargo was put into force because Japan was using said materials in its 
> war of aggression in China.

Of course the British has the right to be aggressive against China some 
20,000 miles away from the mother country, annex Hong Kong etc.., Japan 
is not.

  Remember the slaughter at Nanking? Japan's
> behaviour was barbaric at best. Did you expect the Allies to sit back 
> and do nothing?

Of course, they were just waiting for it, to step in as heroes!

 >>The Japanese military faced a particular tactical problem in that 
certain critical raw materials--especially oil and rubber--were not 
available within the Japanese sphere of influence. Instead, Japan 
received most of its oil from the United States and rubber from British 
Malaya, the very two Western nations trying to restrict Japan's 
expansion. U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt's embargo of oil exports 
to Japan pressured the Japanese navy, which had stocks for only about 
six months of operations.

The Japanese army, for its part, was originally concerned with fighting 
the Soviet Union, because of the army's preoccupation with Manchuria and 
China. The Japanese army governed Manchuria indirectly through the 
"puppet" state of Manchuria and developed heavy industry there under its 
favorite agencies, disliking and distrusting the zaibatsu (large 
Japanese corporations). But the Soviet army's resistance to Japanese 
attacks was sufficient to discourage northern expansion.

Meanwhile in 1937, the intensification of Chinese resistance to the 
pressure of the Japanese military drew Japan into a draining war in the 
vast reaches of China proper, and in 1940 into operations in French 
Indochina, far to the south. Thus, when the navy pressed for a 
"southern" strategy of attacking Dutch Indonesia to get its oil and 
British Malaya to control its rubber, the army agreed.

While it seems that economic factors were important in Japanese 
expansion in East Asia, it would be too much to say that colonialism, 
trade protection, and the American embargo compelled Japan to take this 
course. Domestic politics, ideology and racism also played a role.<<
> 
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 7:23 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>> Protagonist wrote:
>>>> Steve Hix wrote:
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some
>>>>>> 13,500 tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and
>>>>>> the US some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>>>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>>>>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>>>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>>>>> They were ready!
>>>>>> JS
>>>>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>>>>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>>>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
>>>> read Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?
>>>> http://www.fff.org/freedom/1191d.asp
>>>> JS
>>>   Wow, Stalin made Hitler invade Poland against his will? Amazing,
>>> absolutely amazing. Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?
>>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>> There was a secret agreement with the Soviets during the Hitler/Stalin
>> pact, in case Germany invade Poland.
>> Hitler would've been happier if Poland returns territories gained after
>> WW1 and sides with the Germans, rather than the half and half partition.
>> Hitler negotiated with the Poles till the last day for the return of the
>> Gdansk corridor and alignment with Germany.
>> Polish response was to mobilize their army, some 750,000!
> 
> It is to LAUGH.  Hitler and his mouthpieces made loud and constant
> demands for the corridor, along with several other concessions that
> would have made Poland's national borders a joke.  They were demands
> that no country could agree to, and Hitler knew it.

Lot of BS!
Gdansk corridor was part of Germany before!
Also, when interest comes:
Poland Joined Hitler in Dismembering Czechoslovakia
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/08/16/200109.php
 >>"As Article 1 of the [Munich] agreement put it, 'when the question of 
the Polish and Hungarian minorities in Czechoslovakia has been settled, 
Germany and Italy will each give a similar guarantee to Czechoslovakia'. 
Poland had been first to share in the spoils. After an ultimatum from 
Warsaw on September 27, 1938, Czechoslovakia had ceded to Poland the 
district of Tesin (Teschen) — an area of some 625 square miles with a 
population of 230,000 people."<<
> 
>> Did Stalin also make Japan invade China too?
>> Japan and Russia had a major naval conflict in 1905, Japan won.
> 
> What growing power?  Stalin was too busy murdering his own officer
> corps to be seen as a threat to anyone.  Decapitating your army is a
> _great_ way to scare the neighbors.

Acting, like you don't know!
Soviets had a large army, large industrial out put, building modern 
weapons, tanks, rapid forces, even German military were in the Soviet 
Union for example paratrooper training.
JS

> 
>> Growing Soviet power was a threat to Japan, occupying Manjuria by
>> Japanese forces created a buffer zone between Japan and Russia.
>> At the end of WW2 Soviets did try to take Manjuria.http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/glantz.html
> 
> Yeah, but that was 14 years after Japan moved into Manchuria.
> 
> 


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> We will never know for sure, therefore you are entitled to believe
> whatever you are inclined to. Jews and Zionazis have so much invested
> in Einstein that they will attack anyone who would question his
> accomplishments and credentials. Those on the other side are just as
> closed to an open debate about Einstein being a plagiarist. You have a
> right to question because there are some very suspicious things about
> his work and if he did what they claim, he did or not.
> 
> Have a nice vegetarian day!

i know, you all ways play the double standard game!
Make up your mined and take side.
JS

> 
> On Sep 16, 12:54 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Einstein was also a  strong Zionist supporter, even was offered the
>> presidency of Israel.
>> JS
>>
>> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstein.htm
>>
>>   ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as "a rare genius," who drastically changed
>> the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as
>> 'The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,' he has been made an idol to young
>> people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.
>>
>> THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept and moronic
>> person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces; he contributed NOTHING
>> ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On
>> the contrary -- he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled
>> media made him a 'hero.'
> 
> 


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 9:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> On Sep 15, 7:03 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>>> Pro, America had a skeleton of an Army compared to the 1939 forces of
>>>>> Germany.  Try again.
>>>> Right! Also, the largest Navy next to the British!
>>> Your comment was about _tanks_ and our pre-war Navy was not the
>>> modern, offensive force the Kriegsmarine was in 39.
>> Of course idiot, Kreigsmarine wasn't even a match to the British Navy,
>> consisted mostly  of pocket cruisers.
> 
> Now, now, shitforbrains.  I won't call you names if you will afford me
> the same courtesy.
> 
> First off, you neglected to respond to the fact that my response was
> to your comment concerning tanks.  Suddenly, you switch to Navy, and
> use insults instead of debating points.  Bad form, sirrah.
> 
> The pocket cruisers of the KM were more than a match for any unit in
> the RN, as the Bismarck proved in direct confrontation with the Hood.

German navy had only one aircraft carrier, the  Graf Zeppelin, but never 
seen action.
Bismarck and the Tirpitz was the 2 largest battle ships of Germany.
Sinking the Hood, was may be just a lucky shot of the Bismarck.
But the Bismarck, was sunk not long after, by British biplanes.

> The fact that the KM and RN essentially check-mated each other for the
> first year of the war proves your point wrong.
> 
>> U-boats were the backbone of the German navy against Allie shippings.
>> Germans had no aircraft carrier either, like the US had 3 or 4, I think
>> by WW2.
> 
> That was their choice - instead, they were creating dozens or army
> divisions with which to attack their neighbors.  We never used
> aircraft carriers to attack ours.

Because you don't have aggressive neighbors, just lapdogs, like Canada 
and Mexico.
Also, US is 10x? larger land wise, some 4 x more populous than Germany 
with plenty of resources to go around.
US didn't have to pay war reparation like Germany had to, kicking into 
many billions.
Versaille treaty forbid for Germany to build even a simple machine gun 
untill Hitler came into power.
Don't forget, wall street financed Hitler and American large companies 
like IBM, Ford, GE etc... were doing business with him.
In Hitlers office, on his coffee table Fords picture was displayed.




> 
>> Far as land armies goes, the "Enterprise" aircraft carrier took 5 years
>> to build, from 1933-1938 and can be sunk in an hour, if it's out of luck.
>>  >>1933-1940 Chronology
>> Navy Contract Awarded to Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co.
>> Aug 3, 1933
>> Enterprise Keel Laid
>> July 16, 1934
>> Enterprise Launched
>> Oct 3, 1936
>> Enterprise Commissioned
>> May 12, 1938
>> Shake-down Cruise to Rio de Janeiro
>> Summer 1938
>> Caribbean Sea Maneuvers
>> Winter 1938
>> Enterprise Joins Pacific Fleet
>> April 1939<<
> 
> Carrying what combat aircraft?  I.E., were they modern monoplane
> fighters and bombers, or were they obsolete biplanes?

May be these?
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95314.jpg



> 
>>> Our aircraft carriers were carrying short-ranged biplanes at the time and were
>>> hardly a threat to anyone - the same could not be said of the KMs
>>> submarine and battlecruiser fleet.
>> Hmm! Look it all those biplanes!http://ehistory.osu.edu/wwii/pic_data.cfm?id=3953
>> They really kicked the Japs ass!
> 
> I specifically said _1939_, and you show a photo of the Enterprise
> from 1943?  Going back to _1939_, what planes in that photo were
> available to the USN?

Douglas TBD-1 "Devastator" Torpedo Planes were the first US Navy mono 
planes.
First flew in 1935, 129 delivered by 1939.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h95000/h95314.jpg
> 
>>>> Why the US need a large Army, surrounded by 2 Oceans and no serious
>>>> outside threats.
>>> To... uhhhh, threaten peace-loving countries like Germany and
>>> Japan....?
>> Well, of course putting oil embargo on Japan and moving the US fleet to
>> Hawaii for bait, created all the peace in the specific.
> 
> We attacked no-one.  December 7th, Japan attacked four other countries
> - we are to blame for this?  We embargo'd them AFTER they attacked
> China and did things like bombing neutral ships in Chinese rivers.

Japan want it to get his own resources and not controlled by the US or 
the Soviets.
Why don't you use your head.
> 
>>>> It's easier to build up an Army than a Battle ship or Aircraft carrier.
>>> Building a vessel is far easier than making 10,000 men into a combat-
>>> capable division, then getting them 3,000 miles away and inserting
>>> them into your enemy's territory.
>> oh sure!
>> All it takes is 10,000 rifles and 3 months basic training.
>> Soviets didn't even bother supplying uniforms for some of his soldiers.
> 
> Again, the conversation here is about prewar Germany and America.
> That is not the manner that either Germany or America created an
> Army.  You have a hard time staying in the conversation, don't you?

Germany created a powerful land Army, no way they had a Navy to project 
offensively on the Oceans.
German Navy couldn't even control a Mediterranean Sea, Rommel had a hard 
time to get supplies to Africa. RN sunk them.
Italy, member of the Axis had a large Navy, but also no match to the RN.
As history shown, it was trashed by the RN.


> 
>>>> Hitler was built up at first against the Soviets gaining power in the
>>>> East and became a serious threat to Europe.
>>> That's why he attacked Poland, with assistance from the Soviet Union?
>>> Your logic is _faschinating_.
>>>> latter Hitler took the matter to his own hand and used it for Germany's
>>>> gains and became a bigger threat to the West than the Soviets.
>>> Why do you consider Poland to be "the West"?
>> What?
>> Who's talking about Poland?
> 
> You were talking about how Hitler switched from building an army to
> confront the Soviets to being a threat to the West, somehow forgetting
> that he used those forces to attack a country that was neither the
> Soviet Union, or a country in the West.  You seemed to forget the
> Poles and Hitler's attack on them.

Hitler took France in 3 weeks, a super power of those days, really 
showed German military power. What a modern army can do!
What I said, first Hitler was appeased by the Western powers,  Wall 
street financed him and he was was built up against the communist, the 
Soviets.
No capitalist countries of those days wanted communism in Europe.
Turned out, Germany became a bigger threat than the Soviets.
That's why the West made alliance with the hated Stalin.
JS


> 
> Gordon
> 


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Gordon wrote:
> On Sep 15, 11:03 pm, Gordon  wrote:
> 
>>> Hmm! Look it all those biplanes!http://ehistory.osu.edu/wwii/pic_data.cfm?id=3953
>>> They really kicked the Japs ass!
>> I specifically said _1939_, and you show a photo of the Enterprise
>> from 1943?  Going back to _1939_, what planes in that photo were
>> available to the USN?
> 
> My mistake - that's Essex, not Enterprise, which you started off given
> the data for, before you decided to insert this link to the Essex (not
> sure why - that certainly isn't a 1939 photo or a 1939 carrier).
> 
> Gordon
> 

Are those biplanes to you with folded wings?
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020682.jpg
USS Enterprise off Puerto Rico, July 23, 1938.

Here's a photo with some biplanes in 1939!
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020603.jpg

Don't forget, RN biplanes torpedoed the Bismark with great success, 
jammed it's rudder.
Slow flying prevented to shoot them down. Bismark's anti aircraft guns 
had an automatic settings, it was calibrated to faster planes, could not 
track slow ones.
JS


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> order wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
>>  >
>>  > On August 12, the Emperor informed the imperial family of his decision
>>  > to surrender.
>>  > Hirohito recorded on August 14 his capitulation announcement which
>>  > was broadcast to the Japanese nation the next day
>>  > despite a short rebellion by fanatic militarists opposed to the
>>  > surrender.
> 
>> What if this rebellion was successful and the war dragged on. What 
>> would be different today?
> 
>     Nothing really credible comes to mind.
> 
> 1) Nukes are dropped once a month 

Haha! Go and grab your self!
US had only 3 A-bombs and it would've take another year or two produce 
another one.
JS


until there is surrender as that was
> the production rate in August 1945. I presume the production rate would 
> increase over time. Eventually there comes a point where the cost of the 
> bomb is greater than the value of the target.
> 
> 2) Russia decides to take the entire nation so the US either stops the 
> bombing in areas they take or does not. You can do 2a, 2b, 2c ... 2z 
> from here.
> 
> 3) The US invades leading to
> 
>     3a) a long and bloody guerrilla war
>     3b) please kill that SOB emperor
>     3c) they kill the SOB emperor themselves
>     3d) civilians meet them politely and offer tea as though there had 
> never been a war
> 


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Hiroshima Facts wrote:
> On Sep 9, 10:18 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:12:58 -0700, order  wrote:
>>> What if this rebellion was successful and the war dragged on. What would
>>> be different today?
>> This is silly speculation. Japan was defeated with or without the
>> American use of nuclear weapons against civilians.
> 
> Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military targets.

They were peace full cities, non of them were military targets. US 
picked them for it's natural mountain surroundings, perfect place to 
drop A-bombs and contain radiation.
JS


> 
> 
> 
> 
>> There is nobody
>> more militaristic than the Americans, so describing somebody else as a
>> "fanatic militarist" is hypocrisy.
>>
>> At most, it would have produced a delay of a few weeks. Japan was
>> militarily exhausted.
> 
> Yet for all their exhaustion they were preparing nearly a million
> troops (and thousands of Kamikazes) on southern Kyushu to repel our
> invasion.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> The nuclear bombs were the usual American racism.
> 
> Nah.  We just wanted Japan to surrender.
> 


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Chairman Mao says: wrote:
> Also they wanted to study the damage of the bomb.
> 
> If it had been already bombed out they could not study what was caused by 
> previous bombing and from the bomb.
> 
> 
> The major point is this:
> 
> 1. It finally forced a fanatical country to surrender saving millions of 
> lives (on both sides)

No! Japan did not surrender after the two A-bombed dropped.
They knew the US had no more bombs.
Japan surrendered, because the US excepted Japan conditions to end the 
war, vs. unconditional surrender,
Soviets declaring war on Japan and attacking Manchuria, pressured the US 
to end the war quick.
JS


> 
> 
> Political Correctness and liberalism-leftist ideas were not considered in 
> those days.
> 
> Bill Clinton wasn't the president (Thank God)
> 
> 
> 
> "Hiroshima Facts"  wrote in message 
> news:1189912749.208195.3010@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 15, 10:09 am, Johannes von Ebersdorf 
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:18:42 -0700, Hiroshima Facts 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hiroshima was Japan's largest military town.
>>> Explain then why it was never attacked until the last week of the war.
>> Because it was being preserved as a pristine target for the A-bombs,
>> so Japan would see definitively just how powerful the A-bombs really
>> were.
>>
> 
> 


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Gee! Do you make up this stuff, when you having sex with your boyfriend, 
McVay?
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: holocaust/poland plac.zgody.2
> Last-modified: 1993/03/07
> 
> Holocaust denial often asserts that the only
> Jews who died in the camps and elsewhere died from disease. It is because
> of that assertion that I include the following brief quote from Erna
> Rubinstein's book. Clearly, the Nazis had a different concept of "disease
> control" than Mr. Gannon and friends would have you believe...
> 
> "The Germans had discovered that typhus and typhoid fever were spreading in
> the ghetto. On Sunday, 14 March, 1943, a military attachment of SS men
> headed by the ghetto Commanders Get and Haas marched into the ghetto. At
> their command, two thousand people were assembled on Plac Zgody and the
> surrounding streets. Troops were sent into the hospital to select those who
> perhaps wouldn't recover soon enough to go to work, and another commando
> was sent to the hospital for communicable diseases; everyone including the
> nurses and doctors were shot to death. An additional seven hundred
> inhabitants of the ghetto were executed on Plac Zgody. Two thousand others
> were shipped to Auschwitz. An overpowering dread spread through the ghetto
> when the streets strewn with dead bodies and the walls covered with human
> blood were discovered the next morning."
> 
> Excerpted from----------------------------------------------------------
> "The Survivor in Us All - A Memoir of the Holocaust," Erna F. Rubinstein
> (Hamden, Connecticut: Archon Books, 1983) ISBN 0-208-02025-X       p. 72
> ------------------------The Old Frog's Almanac--------------------------
> 


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 6:05 pm, Steve Hix 
> wrote:
>> In article ,
>>
>>  Protagonist  wrote:
>>
>>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500
>>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US
>>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>>> They were ready!
>>> JS
>> Neat trick that, building most of those tanks *after* Germany invaded
>> Russia, and well after they had begun fighting the other Allies.
>>
>> Preparation after the fact. Great idea.
> 
> That's not entirely true. Russia invaded Finland way before WW2
> started,

Well, if the beginning of WW2 is counted from, when Germany attacked 
Poland sept 1 1939, than you are wrong.
Soviets attacked Finland on November 30, 1939.
JS


  both Britain and the USA were in war production breaking the
> treaty of Versailles before war started. So the USSR, USA, and Britain
> were building and exceeding the agreed amount of war materials
> violating the treaty of Versailles, before Hitler and Germany was.
> 


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> On Sep 15, 4:51 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>> On Sep 15, 4:01 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>>> Here's Da real stuff!
>>>> No Jewish name stuck this puppy!http://www.coderkeitaro.com/2006/04/26/horten-ho229-vs-b-2-spirit-naz...
>>>> JS
>>>> LIBERATOR wrote:
>>>>> I made a mistake in my other posting about Heinkel and Horton. Heinkel
>>>>> did not design the Horton aircraft, duh, the Horton brothers did, who
>>>>> were active pilots in the Luftwaffe.
>>>>> Is what you dummies should realize, is that Hitlers government was
>>>>> participatory to the fullest ability. When he designed bridges, as
>>>>> shown here:http://www.adolfthegreat.com/Trails-Talent/autobahn.html,
>>>>> where anyone from the public could submit designs for bridges, in fact
>>>>> a contest was held for the public to participate and design the best
>>>>> bridge.
>>>>> The same was done by Adolf for the entire technological spectrum of
>>>>> all things that existed, including aircraft. There were over 30
>>>>> designers, many non-professors but experienced pilots, who were given
>>>>> priority, their freedom of spirit and identity was enabled, not
>>>>> repelled, by Adolf Hitler. All citizens were enabled by the Reich and
>>>>> Hitler to participate in all processes of government and society,
>>>>> namely technology. The Horton Brothers designed numerous aircraft and
>>>>> they were only pilots not professors. They did have to qualify by a
>>>>> professor, but still all citizens were given full access (full
>>>>> provision of funding and full current achievements available)  to
>>>>> resources based on actual ability to design and invent. No bias or
>>>>> prejudices or government conspiracy or political obstructions blocked
>>>>> men of talent, as in all other countrys controlled by Jews, as
>>>>> demonstrated by Ayn Rands books, the men with talent are obstructed
>>>>> due to politics of group power fearing losing their power, thus don't
>>>>> allow those with talents to use them, or enable them.
>>>>> The false stereotypes produced by the Jews to make you all hate
>>>>> Hitler, and Germans, was that he created an authoritarian state, which
>>>>> forced conformity, of which you were simply a cog in the chain,
>>>>> without any personal freedom or free spirit to do as you want. That is
>>>>> totally false and opposite of what Hitler did. What he created
>>>>> economically, was so that each individual could develop to his/her
>>>>> fullest potential in any profession he/she chose, and this was a
>>>>> reality. Jobs were available in every industry and no job shortages
>>>>> existed, so the best of the best was the constant in Germany. Everyone
>>>>> was able to do as they wished and live their dream, but their work
>>>>> would only be used if it was actually the best. So this motivated each
>>>>> individual to perform to his/her fullest potential. In many cases
>>>>> there was no competition, such as the Horton brothers, developed a new
>>>>> style of jet, thus they had an express pass to use all the governments
>>>>> provisions.
>>>>> The only way one was stopped from having his creativity or identity
>>>>> celebrated was if there were mistakes or errors in his/her designs.
>>>>> The evidence of what I say is that all the products, airplanes, cars,
>>>>> and so on, were given the name of the person who invented them.
>>>>> Messerschmitt, Porsche, Focke Wolf, Henschel Maybach (partners in
>>>>> automotive design), and all navy ships as well, were named with the
>>>>> inventers name. Not like in the USA, or other Jewish controlled
>>>>> countrys, they want to take the technology, give you money, but erase
>>>>> your identity from the product, because they are racists, and if
>>>>> celebrating a person by a product he designs by giving his name, then
>>>>> there will be unity spirit.
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387519983/in/photostream/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388434956/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388402034/in/photostream/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1387492977/in/photostream/
>>>>> This one was one of 5 they were planning to use to bomb the USA, it
>>>>> had a range of 3000 miles without refueling.
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564404/
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/9347249@N08/1388564418/in/photostream/
>>>>> I really like this one. This would have been very advanced technology.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Thank you excellent work!
>>> Proof they had working protoypes of every drawing, and the allies are
>>> again proven evil, in that the allies took possession after
>>> discovering these magnificent feats, and did not reveal them to the
>>> public, they tricked into the war, by telling them Hitler was trying
>>> to rule the world.
>>> Had the Allied governments been legit to themselves being good & pure,
>>> they would have shared the discoveries they made of the German genious
>>> aircraft designers. Instead they stold it and said it's their
>>> craftsmanship.
>> If you think about it, Germany through the hole war built some 13,500
>> tanks over all, Allies like the Soviets built 40,000 T-34 and the US
>> some 50,000 Sherman tanks.
>> One of the largest Soviet tank factory turned out more tanks in one
>> year, than Germany through the hole war.
>> Who was the aggressor, by building so much weapons?
>> They were ready!
>> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> That's amazing, I didn't know that. Then simply there were no errors
> by Adolf in the military decision realm, he just was overwhelmed by
> numbers. And the 200 tanks destroyed by 12th Panzer SS, of which they
> only lost 6 men, wasn't enough as demonstrated by the numbers you gave
> me. It would have had to been 800 tanks destroyed by 200 Panzer SS
> men, to the loss of their 6 men. So no matter what right decisions
> Hitler made, he still couldn't have won, do you agree?
> 

He got very close though! He failed to capture vital resources, like the 
oil fields in Russia (actually he did, but was blown up and would've 
taken over a year to rebuild it)  or in N-Africa.
Germans lost about 3500 tanks through the war, while the Russians lost 
some 12000? tanks or more, don't remember the exact numbers.
It took 3-4 Sherman or T-34 to take out a Tiger tank in tank to tank 
combat. But than, only some 1000+ Tiger was produced and many were taken 
out from the air easily.
German military was geared for high tech, fast moving wars, rather 
quality than quantity.
Axis didn't have the resources, material to fight a long drawn out war.
That's why needed labor camps, where all the loose canons, like the 
Jews, Gypsies of Europe were gathered for war production.
JS


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Now McVay, I'm going to cry for 2 weeks and it is your fault!!!!!
By the way, how much money Jew Rubinstein made on this BS story?
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: places/poland zwodau.01
> Last-Modified: 1994/02/15
> 
> "Finally the truck came to a stop in the grey-green winter snow. We entered
> the gate of a camp. We were counted and recounted again. When we had gotten
> off the truck, we could hardly stand on our frozen feet. The whole world
> seemed to be dominated by the cold glow of the winter sun. Barely noticing
> anything, a few tumbled to the ground. ...
> 
> A group of women took charge of us. Well, the Germans were running out of
> men, we hoped. We were taken to a barrack where two hundred women were
> sleeping. There was a completely different atmosphere here, and the place
> itself was entirely different from any concentration camp we had seen
> before, but we didn't know why. First, we realized that the bunks which
> were three stories high were single. That frightened me a little, for I
> always like to have my sisters near me. But this place was somehow
> different. ... The most important discovery, however, was that none of
> these inmates was Jewish.
> 
> They all surrounded us asking out of curiosity where we had come from, why
> we had been arrested. When we explained that we were there because we were
> Jewish, they couldn't understand and insisted that we must have done
> something against the law, for this particular camp was for criminals only.
> 
> ... There was a group of so-called politicals. They were from Poland. They
> had participated in the Warsaw undergound, and the Germans had caught them
> and imprisoned them. ...
> 
> Soon, we learned something else about Zwodau. There were two thousand
> women, and nearly all of the food was running out. At first, we received a
> slice of bread in the morning and a pot of cold black liquid that looked
> like coffee. In the evening, we each were given a bowl of soup. Very soon,
> the bread disappeared, and after that, we had only the bowl of soup, once a
> day, that is, if we were lucky. All day long, we waited for the soup. We
> rushed to get into line. If we got lucky in front then we ended up with a
> bowl of warm water with nothing it it. The next time, we tried to stand at
> the end of the line; perhaps the soup would be thickest there. But by the
> time our turn came, there was no soup left. The supervisor rolled the
> barrel over; we reached for it with our hands; we tried to find something
> there, some little piece of potato, anything to stop our hunger. We licked
> our fingers, but there was nothing there. Of course, when it was one only
> of the four of us who managed to receive some morsel, we would share
> whatever we had with each other. But what of those others?
> 
> Hunger pains kept us awake at night; and in the morning, when the whistle
> blew and we had to go to the factory to work, we rolled off our beds and
> went to work automatically. Day by day, we were getting weaker. Something I
> had never experienced before was coming clear to me now. How did people die
> of starvation? How did it feel, and how could one possibly live without
> food?
> 
> Was it just a physical agony or did the body and soul die together? I know
> now that is was something nobody could understand without experiencing
> fully to comprehend the anguish one is subjected to. The death which comes
> by starvation is a prolonged death of unutterable torment. 
> 
> ...
> 
> How did we live through this death? Was it because we were young, or was it
> because we were determined to survive? Was it simply a miracle? To the four
> of us it was all these things and even more. It was a feeling of
> togetherness, of belonging, and of the great love we had for each other,
> and an even greater love of life."
> 
> Excerpted from----------------------------------------------------------
> "The Survivor in Us All - A Memoir of the Holocaust," Erna F. Rubinstein
> (Hamden, Connecticut: Archon Books, 1983) ISBN 0-208-02025-X  pp.164-165
> 
>                                 ===
> 
> Helen Fein's "Accounting for Genocide" includes an extensive bibliography,
> including ten citations which deal specifically with the effects of
> extermination and concentration camps on survivors. Those interested in
> this subject are invited to examine Fein, page 420, for sources of study.
> 


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LIBERATOR wrote:
> http://www.ganges.com/Did_Adolf_hitler_really_kill_himself_v1040330/
> 
> Amazing video proves Hitler didn't die.
> 
> Hitler didn't die, so where did he go?
> 
> Spain or Argentina?
> 
> And why didn't that dummy take the advanced airplane drawings with him
> so the allies couldn't get them?
> 

I think you right!
  Hitler took all the Jews with them to Antarctica or to the inner 
Earth, that's why they can't be accounted for, so the left behind Jews 
blaming him with the Holohoax.
Even in the Jewish movie "The Matrix" there is a part, Neo asking:
Where is Zion?
Response: Deep inside Earth, where all ways warm and every one happy!
(o:
JS




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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> Archive/File: orgs/german/farben.ig farben.002
> Last-modified: 1993/10/24
> See Also: holocaust diet.01
> 
>    I.G. Auschwitz: I.G. Farben's Buna (synthetic rubber) division, built
>    near the site of the Auschwitz I and Auschwitz II concentration
>    camps. (Farben eventually built their own corporate concentration
>    camp at the site, to eliminate the need to march prisoners several
>    miles to and from the Buna plant every day, as had been the practice.
>    It was known as Monowitz, and had a sign over the gate which read
>    "Arbeit Macht Frei.")
> 
> [Editor's note: I understand that the "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign can be seen
> today over the gate at Auschwitz I - this raises the question of whether or
> not there were more than one, or if the one the author mentions was moved to
> Auschwitz I at a later date, or if the author was simply incorrect. knm]
> 
>    "Starvation was a permanent guest at Auschwitz.  The diet fed to I.G.
>    Auschwitz inmates, which included the famous 'Buna Soup' - a
>    nutritional aid not available to other prisoners - resulted in an
>    average weight loss for each individual of about six and a half to
>    nine pounds a week.  At the end of a month, the change in the
>    prisoner's appearance was marked; at the end of two months, the
>    inmates were not recognizable except as caricatures formed of skin,
>    bones, and practically no flesh; after three months, they were either
>    dead or so unfit for work that they were marked for release to the
>    gas chambers at Birkenau.  Two physicians who studied the effect of
>    the I.G.  diet on the inmates noticed that 'the normally nourished
>    prisoner at Buna could make up the deficiency by his own body for a
>    period of three months....The prisoners were condemned to burn up
>    their own body weight while working and, providing no infections
>    occurred, finally died of exhaustion.'"    others - typical SS Auschwitz punishment reports> (Borkin, 125)
> 
> 
>                             Work Cited
> 
>    Borkin, Joseph. The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. New York: 
>    The Free Press, 1978, and London: Macmillan Publishing Company. 
> 
> Followups to alt.revisionism
> 

Very lovely story McVay! I must admit, cried all night.
You should suggest Buna soup as a diet plan for Janny Craig  diet center.
http://www.jennycraig.com/Offer/Ads/default3.asp?leadsrc=2100&trm=jenny+craig&gclid=CKuru_Hr1Y4CFR-YYAodzFH_Sg
It can be a winner! Can you imagine it, millions of $$$$ for your bank 
account, McVay.
No massing around with Nizkor any more, rich and wealthy for the rest of 
your life, the hole Mcvay family.
JS


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TurkeyBoy wrote:
> On Sep 22, 5:54 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> [paid zionazi hate propaganda flushed]
>> Question 1:
>>
> 
> Why should anyone answer any zionazi questions?
> 
> As soon as you answer a zionazi question, the zionazi comes back
> asking the same question you just answered. It seems that zionazis can
> do that repeatedly until anyone gullible enough to have tried to
> answer a zionazi's question is exhausted.
> 
> After you get tired of going around in circles with the zionazi asking
> the same question repeatedly and ignoring your responses, the zionazi
> will declare victory.
> 
> That is the zionazi way.
> 
> Did anyone notice that zionazis only ask questions but never answer
> them?
> 
> Have a nice zionazi day!
> 
> 
> 
> 

Why? Because Jews and their cronies after WW2, collected all the 
documents, media and information about the Holohoax and locked it up.
Last 60 years, they only release what "they" want you to know and used 
for propaganda purposes.
Revisionist just gasping for air of left overs, bits of informations.
We just found out, Germans recorded every thing about the concentration 
camps, even the size of lice, but it's not released to the public.
Not in the soon future.
Until people like Mcvay, cashing in on the Holohoax, baiting every one 
with his Holocau$t lies.
JS






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RJ11 wrote:.
> In article <_9OdnfFueOxB62jbnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Neil Harrington  wrote:
> 
>    (snip)
> 
>    The most amusing thing about Harrington is that -- on a
> DIFFERENT newsgroup -- he was all too happy to admit that
> Hitler murdered a vast number of people.
> 
>    Have a look at Message-ID:
> 
> 
>    It's a post by Neil Harrington,  using his "seneca" alias.
> 
>    As you will note,  Harrington agreed that Hitler,  Stalin,
> and Mao,  were all "murderers of millions".
> 
>    He also wrote that the number of Pol Pot's victims -- which
> he estimates at close to two million -- is "not nearly in volume"
> compared to the number of Hitler's,  or Stalin's,  or Mao's
> victims.
> 
> RJ.

RJ, How much Mcvay paying you to spend most of your life here on a.r?
JS



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That's correct McVay!
....and don't try to lie to us, that 4 million were killed in Auschwitz 
either.

 >>1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
    so called liberation."<<
JS


Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Liar snow, forging the identity 
> "Nizkor Project " wrote:
> 
> ...nothing worth repeating.
> 
> Leading Revisionist Liar snow, you will have to do more than pretend
> to be the Nizkor Project to overcome your well-deserved reputation
> as a liar.
> 
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
> 
> Question 1:
> 
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
> 
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>    so called liberation."
> 
> Please document your claims. 
> 
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
> 
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they 
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
> 
> Please document these claims.
> 
> Question 4:
> 
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated 
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
> 
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
> 
> Question 5:
> 
> In article ,
> you wrote:
> 
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
> 
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
> 
>    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,  
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.  
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then  
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting  
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating  
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by  
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of  
> Queen's Bench. 
>   
>    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil  
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as  
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',  
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He  
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy  
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,  
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews  
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast  
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be  
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra  
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class  
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered. 
>   
>    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of  
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on  
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of  
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of  
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among  
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the  
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates  
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was  
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter  
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the  
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.  
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and  
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals. 
>   
>    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,  
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,  
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,  
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund  
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the  
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has  
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned  
> legislation. 
>   
> Question 6:
> 
> In article , you wrote:
> 
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
> 
> 
> Question 7:
> 
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
> 
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi 
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't 
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
> 
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy 
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people 
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
> 
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
> 
> Question 8:
> 
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
> 
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
> 
> Question 9:
> 
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members 
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
> 
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
> 
> 
> Question 10:
> 
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
> 
>> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
> 
> ...and...
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we 
> find, shall we?
> 
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary 
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination 
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of 
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting 
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five 
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of 
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such 
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs, 
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
> 
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 about 
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
> 
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor
> says."
> 
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03, 
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is 
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek." 
> 
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is, 
> he was lying - again.)
> 
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
> 
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, hanging,
> or being shot."
> 
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims were Jews.
> 
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit: 
> 
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
> 
>> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would 
>> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash 
>> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of 
>> propaganda)
> 
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, 
> now that they have been exposed.
> 
> Question 11:
> 
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a 
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
> 
> Please document when and where any of my children have 
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
> 
> Question 12:
> 
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
> 
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
> 
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
> 
> If someone has committed such an offense, you *must* report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
> 
> Are you a criminal AND a liar, Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow?
> 
> 



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