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Hungarian confronted with evidence of his role in WWII atrocity
Sept. 30, 2006, 10:31PM
Hungarian confronted with evidence of his role in WWII atrocity
Court document shows he took part in Serbia massacre of 1,000 people


By NICHOLAS WOOD and IVANA SEKULARAC
New York Times

BUDAPEST, HUNGARY - The past caught up with Sandor Kepiro, 92, on
Thursday, when the Simon Wiesenthal Center identified him as a junior
police officer who was twice found guilty of participating in one of
the worst atrocities committed by Hungarian forces during World War II.

At a news conference at a synagogue opposite Kepiro's apartment here,
members of the Simon Wiesenthal Center ended what for him had been 60
years of relative anonymity as they issued copies of a recently
rediscovered wartime court verdict. It shows Kepiro was charged and
found guilty along with 14 other Hungarian army and paramilitary police
officers of taking part in the Novi Sad massacre in northern Serbia in
January 1942, in which more than 1,000 people, mostly Jews, were
killed.

In an extraordinary scene, Kepiro returned home shortly after the news
conference and discovered reporters outside his apartment building.
Over the next hour, he took questions from reporters at his front door,
acknowledging that he had helped round up people before the massacre
but denying that he had killed anyone.

The massacre, which is known in Serbian history books as the Racija,
based on the Serbian word for raid, took place over three days.
Hungarian forces, who occupied Novi Sad after their German allies
conquered Yugoslavia in 1941, rounded up hundreds of families and
eventually mowed them down with machine-gun fire on the shores of the
Danube. The bodies were then dumped into the icy waters, which had to
be broken up by artillery fire.

Although found guilty and sentenced to 10 years in prison, Kepiro never
served his sentence - he was freed by Hungary's fascist leadership
shortly after his trial by a previous government in Budapest in 1944
and fled to Argentina after the war. He was convicted again, in
absentia, in 1946 by the new communist government in Hungary. He
returned to Budapest in 1996, after the communists fell, after
consulting with Hungarian Embassy officials in Argentina who said he
could come back, he said.

Kepiro has not been arrested, and it is not clear whether he will face
prosecution.

Speaking to reporters in Budapest, Efraim Zuroff, director of the
Wiesenthal Center's Jerusalem office, listed Kepiro, a former lawyer,
as one of four leading suspects he said he hoped would be tried with
Nazi-era crimes.

The other three suspects are Milovoj Aser, a former Croatian police
commander, accused of persecuting Jews; Charles Zentai, a Hungarian
accused of killing an 18-year-old Jew in Budapest, and Aribert Heim, a
doctor accused of conducting medical experiments on inmates at the
Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria.

All of the suspects are in their early 90s. According to the Wiesenthal
Center, Zentai lives in Australia, where he is fighting an extradition
request by Hungary, and Aser lives in Austria. Heim's location is
unknown.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4227259.html


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Protagonist wrote:
> Hungarian confronted with evidence of his role in WWII atrocity
> Sept. 30, 2006, 10:31PM
> Hungarian confronted with evidence of his role in WWII atrocity
> Court document shows he took part in Serbia massacre of 1,000 people
> 
> 
> By NICHOLAS WOOD and IVANA SEKULARAC
> New York Times
> 
> BUDAPEST, HUNGARY - The past caught up with Sandor Kepiro, 92, on
> Thursday, when the Simon Wiesenthal Center identified him as a junior
> police officer who was twice found guilty of participating in one of
> the worst atrocities committed by Hungarian forces during World War II.
> 
> At a news conference at a synagogue opposite Kepiro's apartment here,
> members of the Simon Wiesenthal Center ended what for him had been 60
> years of relative anonymity as they issued copies of a recently
> rediscovered wartime court verdict. It shows Kepiro was charged and
> found guilty along with 14 other Hungarian army and paramilitary police
> officers of taking part in the Novi Sad massacre in northern Serbia in
> January 1942, in which more than 1,000 people, mostly Jews, were
> killed.

Here we go ass hole Jews and Jewish Tito partisans!

 >>>VOJVODINA in 1944, when the Serbians brutally massacred about 40,000 
Hungarian civilians, the overwhelming majority of them innocent beyond 
any doubt, in revenge of the execution of 3,000 suspected Szerbian 
partisans.<<<
JS


  At the end of World War I, the southern part of the thousand year old 
historical Hungary was occupied by Serbian troops. Under the terms of 
the Paris Peace Treaty in 1921 it was annexed to the 
Serbo-Croat-Slovenian Kingdom, that later became Yugoslavia. The new 
name of this territory, situated to the east of present Croatia, was 
VOJVODINA (also spelled Voivodina or Voyvodina). Its former Hungarian 
name had been Bacska and Banat.

During World War II, in 1941, Germany occupied Yugoslavia. At the same 
time, Hungary took possession of and re-annexed VOJVODINA from divided 
Yugoslavia. At the end of 1944, the Serbs reoccupied Bacska, which has 
belonged to Serbia ever since.

During the German occupation, a strong Serbian partisan movement 
developed with Communist leadership, which also spread over to Bacska, 
reannexed to Hungary at the time. The Hungarian military leadership 
organized anti-partisan raids and summary courts-martial against the 
participants in and sympathizers with the partisan movement. The biggest 
anti-partisan campaign took place in and around Novi Sad, in Hungarian, 
Ujvidek, where several hundred individuals suspected to be partisans, 
among them innocent people as well, were arrested and executed in the 
course of a three-day raid in January 1942. Although the army of every 
country treats partisans the same way, law-abiding Hungarian public 
opinion condemned the military leadership for the harsh action. Miklos 
Horthy, regent of Hungary, ordered an investigation against the 
organizers of the campaign. It is probably a unique incident in world 
history that a belligerent nation calls its own army to account for 
transgressions against the enemy. In my novel Cold Days, written in 
1960, I related the story of the atrocities committed in Novi Sad in 
order to clear our consciences by sincerely revealing our own mistakes.

The three "Cold Days" were followed by "freezing weeks" in the whole 
territory of VOJVODINA in 1944, when the Serbians brutally massacred 
about 40,000 Hungarian civilians, the overwhelming majority of them 
innocent beyond any doubt, in revenge of the execution of 3,000 
suspected Szerbian partisans.

. The commander-in-chief of the partisan army, Marshal Tito, as far as 
we know, did not give any expressed written command to butcher the 
Hungarians in Bacska. He did condon and apparently orally directed his 
partisans in the whole territory of Yugoslavia - including Vojvodina - 
to revenge all "injustices" suffered by partisans and Serbians during 
the four years of the war. In other words, where a stream of blood 
flowed in 1942, a torrent of blood should gush in 1944.

In the course of the partisans three-year struggle for self-defence 
against the Nazis, but mainly against royalist chetniks and independence 
seeking Croats, homicidal traditions smouldering under the ashes ever 
since the Middle Ages were revived, enriching the various manners of 
death with numerous cruel novelties. While the Hungarian military 
justice executed the condemned one by one, the Serbian partisans bound 
ten or fifteen people with wire and killed them with a round of

firearms. They had lined them up in front of the previously dug common 
graves so that they would only have to bury them with the earth that 
they themselves had dug from the pit. Whereas the sentence of Hungarian 
summary courts was hanging or shooting, the Serbian partisans killed 
their victims after various forms of torture. Sometimes they bound 
together ten or more men in a circle around a straw or hay stack, then 
set fire to the stack. The victims dragged each other into the flames, 
they all burnt alive. Elsewhere, the captives were tortured before 
execution by walking barefoot over a carpet of glowing embers several 
metres long. Where the captors had enough time, they tore off all twenty 
nails of the victims with pliers. The enjoyment of seeing them suffer 
was enhanced if they went to a nearby smithy to make the tools red hot 
on the forge. Wherever they were able to find coal, they took the 
opportunity of roasting the victims alive. When they skinned somebody 
alive - usually prominent people who had to be punished prominently, a 
well-to-do burgomaster, lawyer or physician -, even some of the partisan 
women were on the verge of fainting, as numerous women also took part in 
these brutalities.

They were especially cruel to priests and monks. In most cases, they 
stripped them naked and cut a strap in the shape of a cross from their 
backs. Then, for the sake of the toughest partisan women, they started 
to deal with their genitals, tearing their testicles with pliers, 
cutting off the penis. If there was a forge nearby, they burnt the penis 
of clergymen with red hot iron, repeating the torture for several days. 
Modern sawmills also gave ideas for new methods of killing.

-11-

Mutilation of the hands or feet with large circular saws was an example 
of murder with long and excruciating pain. Once the guiltless owner of 
the sawmill stayed home with all of his family. The troop, punishing 
without formal sentence, bound all the family to the sawing-bench, and 
started the machine that cut the man, the woman and the children into two.

Here we should stop to rest after enumerating these horrors, but we must 
mention another method of killing, the medieval or even older tradition 
of impalement. The last recorded instance of impalement took place in 
1907 in Rumania. That is how Rumanian royal law punished the leaders of 
the peasant's uprising. Serbia was the only place that still had some 
"experts" in the art even in 1944. These experts were impaling 
executioners who preserved the "tradition" of the form of execution 
causing the greatest possible suffering, as described below:

A pale more than three meters long must be peeled smooth. It must have 
an iron tip and it should be made slippery with grease. The victim is 
laid flat on his belly and his torturers step on his shoulders and his 
bottom so that he would not be able to move. They put a loop on both of 
his ankles and the two executioner's assistants pull his legs in 
opposite directions. The chief executioner cuts the trousers on the 
thighs with his sharp knife, not sparing live flesh. Then he fits the 
tip of the pale covered with iron into the anus, paying attention to set 
it in a way that the pale goes along the spine, not touching the heart, 
so that the victim will suffer long enough. Then he takes a club and 
hammers the pale in the marked direction, while his aids pull the body 
onto the pale by the ankles. The tip of the pale should come out behind 
the clavicle. At this moment, they put the paled man into the formerly 
dug ditch and it is the triumph of the executioner and the delighted 
audience if the man groans on the pale for several hours...

http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/cseres/cseres01.htm


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> In about 1942 the Serb resistance fighters captured about 500 German 
> soldiers and locked them into a cave. The cave entrance was then covered 
> with concrete and the Germans were starved to death. When the Germans re 
> captured this area the did execute the terrorists. You will most likely read 
> what the Germans did but will never find out all the facts about the whole 
> incident.
> 
> Kurt Knoll

That's why I posted this article, because Jews all ways show only one 
side of the coin, even after 60 years.
While the 3000? partisans massacred by Hungarian army were ordered for 
investigation by Miklos Horty, the 40,000 Hungarians revenge killed in 
44' brutally by the Serb was not and kept secret.
Now after 60 years, Jews are only after the Hungarians and not the Serbs.
Funny, eh??
JS


 >>>>>The biggest anti-partisan  campaign took place in and around Novi 
Sad, in Hungarian, Ujvidek, where several hundred individuals suspected 
to be partisans, among them innocent people as well, were arrested and 
executed in the course of a three-day  raid in January 1942. Although 
the army of every country treats partisans the same way, law-abiding 
Hungarian public opinion condemned the military leadership for the harsh 
action. Miklos Horthy, regent of Hungary, ordered an investigation 
against the organizers of the campaign. It is probably a unique incident 
in world history that a belligerent nation calls its own army to account 
for transgressions against the enemy.<<<

> 
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:6YSdnWEk_-T03L7YnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Protagonist wrote:
>>> Hungarian confronted with evidence of his role in WWII atrocity
>>> Sept. 30, 2006, 10:31PM
>>> Hungarian confronted with evidence of his role in WWII atrocity
>>> Court document shows he took part in Serbia massacre of 1,000 people
>>>
>>>
>>> By NICHOLAS WOOD and IVANA SEKULARAC
>>> New York Times
>>>
>>> BUDAPEST, HUNGARY - The past caught up with Sandor Kepiro, 92, on
>>> Thursday, when the Simon Wiesenthal Center identified him as a junior
>>> police officer who was twice found guilty of participating in one of
>>> the worst atrocities committed by Hungarian forces during World War II.
>>>
>>> At a news conference at a synagogue opposite Kepiro's apartment here,
>>> members of the Simon Wiesenthal Center ended what for him had been 60
>>> years of relative anonymity as they issued copies of a recently
>>> rediscovered wartime court verdict. It shows Kepiro was charged and
>>> found guilty along with 14 other Hungarian army and paramilitary police
>>> officers of taking part in the Novi Sad massacre in northern Serbia in
>>> January 1942, in which more than 1,000 people, mostly Jews, were
>>> killed.
>> Here we go ass hole Jews and Jewish Tito partisans!
>>
>>>>> VOJVODINA in 1944, when the Serbians brutally massacred about 40,000
>> Hungarian civilians, the overwhelming majority of them innocent beyond any 
>> doubt, in revenge of the execution of 3,000 suspected Szerbian 
>> partisans.<<<
>> JS
>>
>>
>>  At the end of World War I, the southern part of the thousand year old 
>> historical Hungary was occupied by Serbian troops. Under the terms of the 
>> Paris Peace Treaty in 1921 it was annexed to the Serbo-Croat-Slovenian 
>> Kingdom, that later became Yugoslavia. The new name of this territory, 
>> situated to the east of present Croatia, was VOJVODINA (also spelled 
>> Voivodina or Voyvodina). Its former Hungarian name had been Bacska and 
>> Banat.
>>
>> During World War II, in 1941, Germany occupied Yugoslavia. At the same 
>> time, Hungary took possession of and re-annexed VOJVODINA from divided 
>> Yugoslavia. At the end of 1944, the Serbs reoccupied Bacska, which has 
>> belonged to Serbia ever since.
>>
>> During the German occupation, a strong Serbian partisan movement developed 
>> with Communist leadership, which also spread over to Bacska, reannexed to 
>> Hungary at the time. The Hungarian military leadership organized 
>> anti-partisan raids and summary courts-martial against the participants in 
>> and sympathizers with the partisan movement. The biggest anti-partisan 
>> campaign took place in and around Novi Sad, in Hungarian, Ujvidek, where 
>> several hundred individuals suspected to be partisans, among them innocent 
>> people as well, were arrested and executed in the course of a three-day 
>> raid in January 1942. Although the army of every country treats partisans 
>> the same way, law-abiding Hungarian public opinion condemned the military 
>> leadership for the harsh action. Miklos Horthy, regent of Hungary, ordered 
>> an investigation against the organizers of the campaign. It is probably a 
>> unique incident in world history that a belligerent nation calls its own 
>> army to account for transgressions against the enemy. In my novel Cold 
>> Days, written in 1960, I related the story of the atrocities committed in 
>> Novi Sad in order to clear our consciences by sincerely revealing our own 
>> mistakes.
>>
>> The three "Cold Days" were followed by "freezing weeks" in the whole 
>> territory of VOJVODINA in 1944, when the Serbians brutally massacred about 
>> 40,000 Hungarian civilians, the overwhelming majority of them innocent 
>> beyond any doubt, in revenge of the execution of 3,000 suspected Szerbian 
>> partisans.
>>
>> . The commander-in-chief of the partisan army, Marshal Tito, as far as we 
>> know, did not give any expressed written command to butcher the Hungarians 
>> in Bacska. He did condon and apparently orally directed his partisans in 
>> the whole territory of Yugoslavia - including Vojvodina - to revenge all 
>> "injustices" suffered by partisans and Serbians during the four years of 
>> the war. In other words, where a stream of blood flowed in 1942, a torrent 
>> of blood should gush in 1944.
>>
>> In the course of the partisans three-year struggle for self-defence 
>> against the Nazis, but mainly against royalist chetniks and independence 
>> seeking Croats, homicidal traditions smouldering under the ashes ever 
>> since the Middle Ages were revived, enriching the various manners of death 
>> with numerous cruel novelties. While the Hungarian military justice 
>> executed the condemned one by one, the Serbian partisans bound ten or 
>> fifteen people with wire and killed them with a round of
>>
>> firearms. They had lined them up in front of the previously dug common 
>> graves so that they would only have to bury them with the earth that they 
>> themselves had dug from the pit. Whereas the sentence of Hungarian summary 
>> courts was hanging or shooting, the Serbian partisans killed their victims 
>> after various forms of torture. Sometimes they bound together ten or more 
>> men in a circle around a straw or hay stack, then set fire to the stack. 
>> The victims dragged each other into the flames, they all burnt alive. 
>> Elsewhere, the captives were tortured before execution by walking barefoot 
>> over a carpet of glowing embers several metres long. Where the captors had 
>> enough time, they tore off all twenty nails of the victims with pliers. 
>> The enjoyment of seeing them suffer was enhanced if they went to a nearby 
>> smithy to make the tools red hot on the forge. Wherever they were able to 
>> find coal, they took the opportunity of roasting the victims alive. When 
>> they skinned somebody alive - usually prominent people who had to be 
>> punished prominently, a well-to-do burgomaster, lawyer or physician -, 
>> even some of the partisan women were on the verge of fainting, as numerous 
>> women also took part in these brutalities.
>>
>> They were especially cruel to priests and monks. In most cases, they 
>> stripped them naked and cut a strap in the shape of a cross from their 
>> backs. Then, for the sake of the toughest partisan women, they started to 
>> deal with their genitals, tearing their testicles with pliers, cutting off 
>> the penis. If there was a forge nearby, they burnt the penis of clergymen 
>> with red hot iron, repeating the torture for several days. Modern sawmills 
>> also gave ideas for new methods of killing.
>>
>> -11-
>>
>> Mutilation of the hands or feet with large circular saws was an example of 
>> murder with long and excruciating pain. Once the guiltless owner of the 
>> sawmill stayed home with all of his family. The troop, punishing without 
>> formal sentence, bound all the family to the sawing-bench, and started the 
>> machine that cut the man, the woman and the children into two.
>>
>> Here we should stop to rest after enumerating these horrors, but we must 
>> mention another method of killing, the medieval or even older tradition of 
>> impalement. The last recorded instance of impalement took place in 1907 in 
>> Rumania. That is how Rumanian royal law punished the leaders of the 
>> peasant's uprising. Serbia was the only place that still had some 
>> "experts" in the art even in 1944. These experts were impaling 
>> executioners who preserved the "tradition" of the form of execution 
>> causing the greatest possible suffering, as described below:
>>
>> A pale more than three meters long must be peeled smooth. It must have an 
>> iron tip and it should be made slippery with grease. The victim is laid 
>> flat on his belly and his torturers step on his shoulders and his bottom 
>> so that he would not be able to move. They put a loop on both of his 
>> ankles and the two executioner's assistants pull his legs in opposite 
>> directions. The chief executioner cuts the trousers on the thighs with his 
>> sharp knife, not sparing live flesh. Then he fits the tip of the pale 
>> covered with iron into the anus, paying attention to set it in a way that 
>> the pale goes along the spine, not touching the heart, so that the victim 
>> will suffer long enough. Then he takes a club and hammers the pale in the 
>> marked direction, while his aids pull the body onto the pale by the 
>> ankles. The tip of the pale should come out behind the clavicle. At this 
>> moment, they put the paled man into the formerly dug ditch and it is the 
>> triumph of the executioner and the delighted audience if the man groans on 
>> the pale for several hours...
>>
>> http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/cseres/cseres01.htm 
> 
> 


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 >>The "Freezing Weeks" were the revenge of Tito´s partizans, when they 
brutally massacred 40.000 hungarian civilians in 1944/45<<

Places and times of some massacres in Vajdaság together with the number 
of the Hungarian victims:

BEZDÁN 3 November 1944. The Hungarian male inhabitants of the village in 
the age of between l6 and 5O years were driven to a sports ground. 118 
men were shot down by machine pistol to the Danube. 2830 Serbian 
communist partisans who made the murder belonged to the udarna brigade 
No. 12 in the division No. 51. It is strange but the Soviet officers 
were also horrified at the massacre because they were who stopped 
swearing further executions. ZOMBOR (Sombor) 6 December 1944. The 
Serbian partisans first had one part of their captives dug up to the 
neck into the earth by other captives then they had them trampled to 
death by tank. The first impalement happened here, too. The executions 
in the villages of Bácska Vajdaság were directed by a Serbian communist 
partisan woman called Julka who was wounded mortally in the fights 
later. At the moment there is a thirty meter high granite monument on 
the mount of Batina and on the top of this monument there is the statue 
of this woman executioner.

UJVIDÉK (Novi Sad) 23 October 1944. In the early morning hours the 
Serbian partisans under the leadership of Todor Gavrilovics Rilc, 
political commissioner marched in the ancient Hungarian town, in Novi 
Sad (Újvidék). From the first day they already carried off the Hungarian 
inhabitants to the former winterport of the Danube. This was the center 
of the massacre. Until the execution men were held in prison for weeks. 
Among the captured and executed people there were a lot of 14-15 year 
old boys
as "dangerous fascists". Executions started on 25th October. A drunken 
partisan officer read off 300 names. In a short time only the rattle of 
the machine pistols sounded. Farewell cries of the executed Hungarians 
were suppressed by the racing of the lorries' engine. The Hungarian 
captives got some water and bread only on the fifth day. During the 
first week about 1500 Hungarians were shot down into the Danube: One 
part of the corpses was either burnt or put into common graves in 
several rows. Around 1970 a new highway was built but because of the 
common graves in the Feketics forest the track of the highway was led in 
other way. All the Hungarian students captured in Novi Sad and its 
surroundings were shot down.

The - Cold Days - of 1944 in Vojvodina 	

The torture, the killings and massacres

These are some of the execution forms, that the Serbs "chetnik" ultra 
nationalists used:

· 10-20 people were executed by firearms.
· People were lined up in front of a grave and shout down into the grave.
· People stood in a circle around a haystack and were burned alive.
· Their nails were taken of with hot pliers.
· There were put in coal and were roasted alive.
· The victims were skinned alive.
· Arson.


SZENTTAMÁS (Srbobran Turja) In October of 1944 3,000 inhabitants of 
Hungarian nationality were executed by the Serbian communist partisans 
>from the village of 18,000 inhabitants. In the old Serbian cemetery the 
tomb was dug by the persons to be executed and the Hungarians were 
executed in groups of 150-200. An 8-year-old girl was the witness of the 
massacres by chance and unnoticed. The Serbian people next door 
overheard her story and denounced the little girl. Next day the Serbian 
partisans took away the innocent girl and executed her.

SZIVÁC (Sivac) 1st November I944. Seventy-five Hungarian men completely 
undressed were accompanied to the cemetery where they were executed by 
command of Brano Bikicskics Serbian main communist from Szivác.

ADORJÁN (Nadrljan) On 3d December 1944. 56 Hungarian citizens were 
executed on the bank of Tisza.

KANIZSA (St. Kanjiza) On 7th October 1944 Serbian partisan executioners 
arrived following the Soviet troops. In this village the names of the 
offenders entirely remained. First of all every Hungarian women were 
ravished. 300 Hungarians were collected in the village and they were 
closed in the cellar of the town hall, majority of them was beaten to 
death there. The corpses were carried on cart by nights to the island of 
Tisza where they were lying covered by lime for days. Let the names of 
the Serbian communist partisan killers be listed here: Niklo Radovics, 
Szvetozár Knezevics, Alexander Oluski, Dusan Ugranov.

OBECSE (Stari Becej) Killing of the Hungarians began on 9th October 
I944. First Ferenc Petrányi 65 year old catholic abbot was arrested by 
some young communist Serbian partisan girls. A11 parts of his face and 
body were mashed. A partisan woman from Zombor, called Zorka was the 
most brutal. He was bound on a plank by her and then they jumped to his 
belly chest and sexual organ from the table. Zorka and her partisan 
comrades in laced boots practically disemboweled his internal organs. 
When he died on l4th October they threw him out of the window to the 
stone block yard so that his death should seem to be a suicide. 
SZENTFÜLOP (B.Gracac) was a pure Hungarian village from the age of the 
Arpads. On 25th November 1944 its whole male population between the age 
of I8-60 years was exterminated. In total 212 men were killed.

TEMERIN (Temerin) October of 1944. Several hundreds people fell victims 
of the Serbian carnage. A Soviet officer prevented the extirpation of 
the whole Hungarian population of the village. Hungarian human loss of 
the village was 480 people. In MOHOL from October of 1944 the 
extirpation of the Hungarians went on systematically. More than 800 
Hungarians were collected and from this number 760 were executed. Not 
only men were killed but also 16-20 year old girls were executed. It is 
strange that in this village the communist Serbian partisans close 
cropped the people going to death. Then they were taken to the side of 
Tisza and they were shot by machine gun to the river there.

In CSUROG (Curog) from 23 October the Hungarian inhabitants had been 
exterminated continuously. In 1941 the Serbian partisans in Csurog 
killed a whole gendarme patrol some of them were impaled. Because of 
this as revenge 765 5erbian inhabitants were executed in 1944. 2,000 
people the whole Hungarian population of the village was exterminated.

ZABLYA (Zabalj) in 1942 the Serbian killed 11 Hungarian soldiers in the 
village. Because of this 581 Serbians were executed. Because of the 
extreme revenge, just as it happened in Csurog the competent Hungarian 
commanders were tried by court-marital. The Serbian partisans of Tito 
started to revenge at once after their marching in, in October of 1944. 
The wealthier Hungarians were drowned into the manure of the back house. 
Even 13 year old Hungarian boys were killed, too. In total 2,000 
Hungarian citizens were killed.

In the city of ZOMBOR in October of 1944 the murdering of the Hungarians 
started at once on the basis of the death-list previously made. First 
two Hungarian Carmelite fraters were captured and executed. They were 
frater Gellér Sztancsics and Illés Hollós. The Hungarians were taken to 
the Palace of Kronich. Next to the race-course the common graves were 
dug in which 2,500 Hungarisns were buried. Several other common graves 
can be found in the outside districts of the city. The inhabitants of 
the Hungarian city were fully exterminated. In total 5,650 Hungarians 
were executed.



The "Freezing Weeks" were the revenge of Tito´s partizans, when they 
brutally massacred 40.000 hungarian civilians in 1944/45

According to data collected by the Roman catholic pastors, Márton Szűcs 
and József Kovács in. the strictest confidence; during the months of 
October, November and December of 1944. 34 491 Hungarians were killed in 
South Hungary in the territory of Bácska and Vajdasag. As the statistics 
were made several years ago according to the data which have been 
discovered since that time the number of the victims exceeds 40,000 per- 
sons. Because of the continuity of the discovering works this number is 
increasing day by day. It is also completed by the number of the 
Hungarian martyrs who lost their life because of the atrocity of 
Serbians after the decay of the Yugoslav communist regime.


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Methods of Holocaust

The "Freezing Weeks"

While the Germans and the Hungarians executed the partisans one by one 
in accordance with the international articles of war that ambushed and 
attacked the Hungarian and German soldiers from lofts, the Serbian 
partisans broke with the long procedures the people to be executed were 
10 times more.

The torture, the killings and massacres

Their victims were bound with wire by tens or by twenties. The 
Hungarians were lined up in front of a common grave dug in advance. Then 
they were shot down by machine pistol or by machine gun from the back. 
This was easier solution that the Hungarians - with death wound on their 
napes - should fall in their final tomb at once. Then it was necessary 
only to cover them with soil.

It seems that the Serbians had plenty of wires. They spared their 
munitions. 15-2O Hungarian men were bound. They were lined up around a 
straw-stack last two men in the right and left sides of the line were 
strongly bound with wire. When the ring was fixed the straw-Stack was 
lit. The bound men impeded each other in escape. All of them were burnt 
away. Where they had enough time, the Serbian communist partisans 
deprived the selected Hungarian victims from all their twenty finger 
nails with pinchers- Their thirst of revenge was better filled if they 
heated previously the pinchers in a near smithery. It also happened that 
in the smithies the Serbian farriers drove horseshoes into the naked 
sole of the Hungarians. Not every Serbian could endure the horrible 
sights. Some of them vomited themselves during forced fulfilment of the 
command.


The "Freezing Weeks" were The revenge of Tito´s partizans, when they 
brutally massacred 40.000 hungarian civilians in 1944/45

Partisan women took part in these atrocities in large numbers. Hungarian 
Roman Catholic priests and friars who got into their hands received 
particular attention! In most cases they were undressed. First a 
cross-shaped strap was cut out from the-skin of their back. For the sake 
of more hardened partisan women the sexual organs of the priests were 
taken care. Mostly their testicles were torn by pinchers. There was such 
a woman in these partisan units who stamped on these naked catholic 
reverends, mashed their loins.

The "Art of Execution"
In one of the villages, in Bezdan, Hungarian men, driven to a sport 
ground were searched in order to find guns. In the pocket of a boy who 
was 11 years old an empty cartridge was found. The ,,guilty" boy was 
placed to the middle of the empty ground. A touching mine was fixed to 
his leg. The explosive cartridge bound to the leg of the child was shot 
until it exploded and tore the owner of the legs and the cartridge.

The sawmills also gave possibility to use new methods of killing the 
Hungarians. Hands and legs were cut by sawing - machine and the tortured 
Hungarians died as martyrs with violent and long pain! It also happened 
that chopping trunks into firewood gave the sample for the execution. It 
happened that whole family of the Hungarian owner of the sawmill was 
bound in front of the saw-blade and the members of the family were torn 
in two by the sawing-machine started.

Impalement (palo inponere) was used not only in the Roman Empire but 
also appeared in penal practice of the 17th century. It was introduced 
again in the extirpation of the Hungarians by the Serbian partisans to 
Vajdaság and Bácska under the protection of the Soviet Army. In order to 
see clearly the inhuman and bestial revenge, let's study the method of 
impalement used by the Serbian partisans: The bark of the 3 meter long 
oak a pale was removed. If there was enough time a sharp iron was fixed 
by smithies to its pointed tip. The naked pale was made greasy by oil. 
Well in advance a narrow hole was dug into which the “Fitted" pale would 
be placed. A stick with short halve was the part of the preparations1 too.

The Hungarian to be executed was got down into prone position. A loop of 
rope was cast on both of his ankles and two partisans were pulling his 
feet in two directions. The executioner fitted the tip of the iron-bound 
stake into the anus of the unlucky fellow, then he gripped the stake and 
started to hammer the end of the stake to the aimed direction first with 
gentle hits then more and more strongly. Initial screaming of the 
Hungarian turned into creaking when the stake reached the level of 
shoulder blades. At that time the executioner directed the stake a 
little bit to the right so that the tip should come out from the body of 
the unlucky man bursting the skin of the collar-bone. At this moment the 
thick bottom of the pale was placed into the hole. It was the triumph of 
the Serbian crowd of spectators enjoying the execution if the miserable 
impaled person was sighing for hours and the desperate beatings of his 
heart would be seen on his chest while the dug earth absorbed the blood 
running from his body.

According to the memory vitéz Ferenc Szombathelyi, the chief of staff of 
the Hungarian royal army was executed in this manner who was delivered 
to the Yugoslavian communist government under communist pressure by 
Zoltán Tildy, reformed priest who was the Prime minister collaborating 
with the communists from the Small-holders' party and who was called 
"murderer in cloak" by the Hungarian people.

The - Cold Days - of 1944 in Vojvodina 	

The "Cold Days"

According to Hungarian statements, the number of Serbian loses caused by 
Hungarian forces and ultra nationalist fascist "nyilas" forces, were 
approximately about, 300 persons. Among them were mostly Serb 
communists, nationalists, including Jews.

Some of these Hungarian "nyilas" forces, were later, "punished" (see 
executed) by the Serbs. Those days are known and called as the "Cold Days".

"Cold Days", has been followed, by the "Freezing Weeks".... and these 
were longer, much longer...

http://www.hunsor.se/freezingweeks/frsecond.html



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Jeff Rainer wrote:
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:YKqdnfMUEP_GObnYnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Methods of Holocaust
>>
>>
>> The sawmills also gave possibility to use new methods of killing the 
>> Hungarians.
> My Grandfather(who served in the Heer during WWII)told me the story of an 
> ex-German soldier who made the mistake of going back to his home villiage 
> after the war.  The villiage was now populated with Serbs instead of ethnic 
> Germans.  The Serbs put him on a table and proceeded to hand saw him in 
> half.

Yep! I believe it!
  Partizans were all ways much more brutal than regular army, bind by 
regulations.
Partizans even among them self were murderers, used any method to cleans 
them self from spy's or questionable members.
JS



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Ron Jacobson wrote:
>    http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=131784®ion=3
> 
>    SOAP MADE FROM HUMAN REMAINS
>    7.10.2006. 10:52:34
> 
>    The Nazis used human fat to make soap during the Second World War
> in a medical academy located in what is now the Polish Baltic
> sea port city of Gdansk, Polish war crimes prosecutors confirmed
> today.
> 
>    Officials with Poland's Institute for National Remembrance (IPN)
> based their findings on a laboratory analysis of a piece of soap
> found in 1945 in the medical academy which was run by German
> Professor Rudolf Spanner.
> 
>    A new laboratory analysis of the soap revealed human fat was one
> of its components, spokesperson for IPN Paulina Szumera told Deutsche
> Presse-Agentur in a telephone interview.
> 
>    Human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been
> brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and the Stutthof Nazi German
> concentration camp located about 30 km from Gdansk.
> 
>    The IPN investigation found that the soap in question was used to
> clean operating and autopsy rooms.
> 
>    The piece of soap was used as evidence in the post-WWII Nuremburg
> Trials where prominent German Nazis were prosecuted for crimes against
> humanity.
> 
>    At the time, prosecutors lacked the technology to determine
> whether the soap contained human tissue.
> 
>    
> 
> RJ.

Ronny, how you get fat out of those bone skinny dead bodies?
Must be some new technology?!
JS


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Get real Ron I did read this pulshit before. It is a known fact soap is mad 
> out of bones. So why tell us would the Germans experiment with something 
> they already know. Get yourself a girlfriend and screw yourself to death It 
> will make you sweat for sure if it helps you I do not know.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> 
> "Ron Jacobson"  wrote in message 
> news:egmgv2$p6u$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>   http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=131784®ion=3
>>
>>   SOAP MADE FROM HUMAN REMAINS
>>   7.10.2006. 10:52:34
>>
>>   The Nazis used human fat to make soap during the Second World War
>> in a medical academy located in what is now the Polish Baltic
>> sea port city of Gdansk, Polish war crimes prosecutors confirmed
>> today.
>>
>>   Officials with Poland's Institute for National Remembrance (IPN)
>> based their findings on a laboratory analysis of a piece of soap
>> found in 1945 in the medical academy which was run by German
>> Professor Rudolf Spanner.
>>
>>   A new laboratory analysis of the soap revealed human fat was one
>> of its components, spokesperson for IPN Paulina Szumera told Deutsche
>> Presse-Agentur in a telephone interview.
>>
>>   Human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been
>> brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and the Stutthof Nazi German
>> concentration camp located about 30 km from Gdansk.
>>
>>   The IPN investigation found that the soap in question was used to
>> clean operating and autopsy rooms.
>>
>>   The piece of soap was used as evidence in the post-WWII Nuremburg
>> Trials where prominent German Nazis were prosecuted for crimes against
>> humanity.
>>
>>   At the time, prosecutors lacked the technology to determine
>> whether the soap contained human tissue.
>>
>>   
>>
>> RJ. 
> 
> 

Here we go! From the mouth of Jews!

 >>Aaron Breitbart, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, 
agrees that the evidence is thin. "The leading scholars of the Holocaust 
are of the opinion that the Nazis did not make soap," he says. "It was a 
cruel rumor at the camps...."<<

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/soap.html


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Ron Jacobson wrote:
>    http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=131784®ion=3
> 
>    SOAP MADE FROM HUMAN REMAINS
>    7.10.2006. 10:52:34
> 
>    The Nazis used human fat to make soap during the Second World War
> in a medical academy located in what is now the Polish Baltic
> sea port city of Gdansk, Polish war crimes prosecutors confirmed
> today.
> 
>    Officials with Poland's Institute for National Remembrance (IPN)
> based their findings on a laboratory analysis of a piece of soap
> found in 1945 in the medical academy which was run by German
> Professor Rudolf Spanner.
> 
>    A new laboratory analysis of the soap revealed human fat was one
> of its components, spokesperson for IPN Paulina Szumera told Deutsche
> Presse-Agentur in a telephone interview.
> 
>    Human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been
> brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and the Stutthof Nazi German
> concentration camp located about 30 km from Gdansk.
> 
>    The IPN investigation found that the soap in question was used to
> clean operating and autopsy rooms.
> 
>    The piece of soap was used as evidence in the post-WWII Nuremburg
> Trials where prominent German Nazis were prosecuted for crimes against
> humanity.
> 
>    At the time, prosecutors lacked the technology to determine
> whether the soap contained human tissue.
> 
>    
> 
> RJ.

Another hoax, Ronny????

http://palestineblogs.com/archives/category/hoax/
Soap said made from Jews in Holocaust found in Israel (NOT)
posted by Palestinian @ Thursday February 17th 2005, 12:26 am
Filed under: Israel, Zionist, Holocaust, Hoax

Another hoax falls into the dust-bin of history.

     Sources at Yad Vashem expressed disappointment at the radio report, 
calling the story a “pure invention that was given a stage by the 
media.” A Yad Vashem spokeswoman said there is no proof the Nazis made 
soap from human bodies during the Holocaust. The sources said similar 
claims have been made in the past regarding soap made from Jewish 
bodies, including soap found last year in the Nahariya cemetery. In that 
case the soap was determined not to have been made from human remains. 
In 1990 samples from several soaps claimed to have been made from Jews 
were sent for DNA testing at Tel Aviv University. Likewise, those tests 
determined the soaps did not contain human fats.


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Get real Ron I did read this pulshit before. It is a known fact soap is mad 
>>> out of bones. So why tell us would the Germans experiment with something 
>>> they already know. Get yourself a girlfriend and screw yourself to death It 
>>> will make you sweat for sure if it helps you I do not know.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>> "Ron Jacobson"  wrote in message 
>>> news:egmgv2$p6u$1@pcls4.std.com...
>>>>   http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=131784®ion=3
>>>>
>>>>   SOAP MADE FROM HUMAN REMAINS
>>>>   7.10.2006. 10:52:34
>>>>
>>>>   The Nazis used human fat to make soap during the Second World War
>>>> in a medical academy located in what is now the Polish Baltic
>>>> sea port city of Gdansk, Polish war crimes prosecutors confirmed
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>   Officials with Poland's Institute for National Remembrance (IPN)
>>>> based their findings on a laboratory analysis of a piece of soap
>>>> found in 1945 in the medical academy which was run by German
>>>> Professor Rudolf Spanner.
>>>>
>>>>   A new laboratory analysis of the soap revealed human fat was one
>>>> of its components, spokesperson for IPN Paulina Szumera told Deutsche
>>>> Presse-Agentur in a telephone interview.
>>>>
>>>>   Human remains used to make the soap were believed to have been
>>>> brought from Kaliningrad, Bydgoszcz and the Stutthof Nazi German
>>>> concentration camp located about 30 km from Gdansk.
>>>>
>>>>   The IPN investigation found that the soap in question was used to
>>>> clean operating and autopsy rooms.
>>>>
>>>>   The piece of soap was used as evidence in the post-WWII Nuremburg
>>>> Trials where prominent German Nazis were prosecuted for crimes against
>>>> humanity.
>>>>
>>>>   At the time, prosecutors lacked the technology to determine
>>>> whether the soap contained human tissue.
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> RJ. 
>>>
>> Here we go! From the mouth of Jews!
>>
>>>> Aaron Breitbart, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, 
>> agrees that the evidence is thin. "The leading scholars of the Holocaust 
>> are of the opinion that the Nazis did not make soap," he says. "It was a 
>> cruel rumor at the camps...."<<
>>
>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/soap.html
> 
> Different soap story - you really need to learn something about such things. Perhaps if
> you did, you wouldn't have those feet in your mouth quite so often...
> 
> http://nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/soap-01.html
> 

Here we go again!
 >>>"The leading scholars of the Holocaust are of the opinion that the 
Nazis did not make soap,"
"It was a cruel rumor at the camps...."<<


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Excellent video, clearly shows controlled demolition and not the 
airplanes brought down WTC building!
JS

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=911+mysteries 


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061015/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_president

JERUSALEM - Police recommended Sunday that Israeli President Moshe 
Katsav be charged with rape, sexual assault and fraud, the most serious 
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The recommendation came at a meeting between police investigators and 
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He does not have a deadline for making his decision and is expected to 
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Katsav has denied all wrongdoing. In a statement released by his office, 
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A police statement issued Sunday said the complaints were filed by 
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The statement also said police found basis for charges of illegal 
wiretapping, and fraud and malfeasance in office in the case of pardons 
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Investigations into a

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