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From: Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM>
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>>6,000,000 are a tragedy, the other 6,000,000 a footnote.<<

6,000,000? Most "educated" holocausters have scrapped this 
ridiculous figure. Even the total death toll at 
Auschwitz-Birkenau is less than 1,000,000 nowadays. This includes 
all races, etc. This 6,000,000 figure was promoted by Zionists 
for political reasons as is the holocaust, which is a total hoax.

Cliff


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From: Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Re: #Publisher Decides not to Issue Book by Holocaust Denier
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>>Perhaps to YOU Irving is the leading Hitler historian, which
would explain your warped information.  If I had to guess among 
the leading historians of el Nazi Scumbags, I would guess the 
most widely read is William Shirer's book.<<

Shirer's book was one of the first I read concerning WW2. 
Assuming, at that time, that the holocaust was fact I was struck 
by the contents of this huge manuscript. However, if one is 
careful not to permit his political bias and emotions override 
his better judgement, he will discover that Shirer's book is a 
farce which has no other purpose than to deliver a yet another 
Marxist blow to National Socialism.

Cliff


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Message: #475314, S/14  Coffee Shop
Date:    Tue, 9 Apr, 1996 22:34:05
Subject: #473888-Russian Revolution
From:    Cliff Swiger 76053,707
To:      George Minde 70550,623 (received) (deletable)
Reply:   #475384 (1 reply)

George:

>>Thank you for providing the proper context for your quote. I didn't start
archiving messages on this thread until after I returned home from business,
and all I had to go on was one of my posts which included that part of your
sentence.<<

Don't you dare take this line with me. You gave a specific date when you
"edited" what I said in this particular post. You knew exactly what you wanted
to purvey. What you have done here provides a perfect example of just how low
people of your ilk will stoop. This is what I've been arguing all along, my
facts are straight and you well know it. When name calling tactics fizzle,
those , such as yourself, will go to any extreme to push your
multicultural/leftist/democrat/Jew agenda. Even if you have to scramble the
truth.

>>Please excuse me if I missed any context you provided implying that you
believed such questionable genetics to be complete and total balderdash.<<

Bullshi*!, on your part. You knew the date of the message I posted so you
certainly knew the context. Face it, I've caught you red-handed in an attempt
to convince others with your "slight of hand".

----insertion----
Here he is wrong--I hadn't archived the message, and gave an incorrect date for
his statement.
----end insertion----


>>But Cliff, I am hurt that you would stoop so low as to call me a <>
based on this one issue of context.<<

Hurt?!................... F--- you! Come clean, George, and admit you attempted
to deceive others by pulling something I said out of context. Everyone here
knows you did. How much longer are you going to live your LIE? 

>>You have several times misstated what you yourself have said, not to mention
<>. Yet I have not called you, master
distortionist that you appear to be, a <>.<<

Yet another lie by a liar. I've never taken something YOU said and tried to
contort it into something you didn't mean to say. You bast***, you have a lot
of nerve. I've consulted my sources, which were certainly subject to your
scrutiny and anyone elses'. But I've NEVER attempted what you have and you well
know it! I have my position and you have yours. And I would hope we could
debate our differences here in this forum without censorship. But, you have
displayed the uttermost contempt for honest debate by pulling and posting
something out of context like you did. You KNOW you're wrong! Now just admit it
and maybe some will continue to respect your jew beliefs! 

>> when involved in any topic even tangentally involving Jews or other
minorities. But don't worry, Cliff, I think others can see who the
distortionist and <> is here.<<

Listen, you son of a *****, I've never denied my National Socialist beliefs.
You can bet I believe Adolf Hitler was the best thing to happen in the 20th
century. I'll state my position and defend it in the face of all Jew
opposition. But one thing I'll never do is pull something out of context, like
you did, in an attempt to make someone look foolish. Go to ****! You've
demonstrated you ineptness to defend your Jew lover position by attempting such
a low down practice. But, I caught you red handed! 

Cliff

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From: Chuck Ferree 
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Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

Chuck Ferree writes:

Are we talking credibility here, Clifford? Or More of your simplistic 
bullshit?


 leading historians of el Nazi Scumbags, I would guess the 
>most widely read is William Shirer's book.<<

Still one of the most authoritative historical books ever written by 
anyone. The man lived "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." He was 
Jonny on the Spot. He witnessed history being made, while it was being 
made.
>
>Shirer's book was one of the first I read concerning WW2. 

clip

>, he will discover that Shirer's book is a 
>farce which has no other purpose than to deliver a yet another 
>Marxist blow to National Socialism.

Yeah, right, Cliffy. William L. Shirer was a rotten commy. He wasn't the 
great historian most people think he was. That's bullshit, I wrote it 
because that's the way you think. IMO
Cliffy, welcome to the game the BIG BOYS play. Buy some Kotex for your 
butt though, you'll bleed all over your stripped coveralls.

Chuck Ferree

>
>Cliff




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From: Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Re: The USSR did most to defeat Nazism
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>>Chuck Ferree writes:

This entire discussion is getting silly. It isn't about Stalin
and 
Hitler. It's about the simple fact that the Russions, (as we
called them 
back then) did fight very well against the Germans. I'm one
former GI 
who is glad they were fighting on our side.<<

For crying out loud, they had no choice! "Russians" who were 
captured by the Nazis feared their own government "liberating" 
them as they well knew they would be executed! I'm sure they 
fought like hell with the Jewish Bolsheviks standing behind them 
with a pistol pointed at the base of their skull!

Cliff  


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Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>To Chuck Ferree:
Chuck tries to reaso with Cliffy:

Come on, Clifford. That's not what I said, and you know it. You're 
beating a dead horse. I did say that the "Russians" did a number on the 
Germans, and that's what started this foolish continuous and silly 
argument in the first place. It doesn't matter whether the communists 
did any thing, if the subject matter is WW-II, and that's what it's 
about. So don't preach anti-communist crap to me. O.K. Cliff, stick with 
the subject matter. Maybe that way, you'll make some brownie points with 
someone.
Chuck 

>Cliff  




From 76053.707@CompuServe.COM Tue Apr 16 09:14:53 PDT 1996
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THE HOLOCAUST MYTH: AN EXPENSE TO U.S. TAXPAYERS

In 1945 a French bureau stated that 8 million deaths occurred at 
Auschwitz. The Soviet Auschwitz 
Commission said it was 5.5 million. Until 1990, the Polish 
government said it was 4 million but now says it 
was around 1 million for all causes of death. Then, the Jerusalem 
Post (9-30-89)  said "There never were 4 
million victims at Auschwitz." French researcher Georges Wellers 
gives a figure of about 1.6 million. Not to 
be out done, the Jewish newspaper Aufbau wrote on 8-3-90 that the 
total death count was 1.1 million 
including 900,000 Jews. Even the "famed" Jean Claude Pressac 
(backed by the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation) 
was forced to accept figures ranging from 631,000 to 711,000. The 
question is: "HOW LOW CAN YOU GO?" 
and still perpetuate a myth?

Conjuring up legend and lore really isn't all that harmful but 
this one has become an expensive one for U.S. 
taxpayers with respect to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. 
According to the 1995 federal budget, $26.6 
million was alloted for the "museum". Another $28.7 million is 
expected to be appropriated for 1996.  


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Chuck Ferree writes to Clifford:

See below, Clifford, I still can't figure out these stupid computers. 
Gonna take up sky-diving or something!


Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>THE HOLOCAUST MYTH: AN EXPENSE TO U.S. TAXPAYERS
>
Chuck Ferree writes to Cliffy:

Clifford, I thought I told you to go to your room and stay there until I 
tell you to come out. You little shit, you don't mind worth a 
dam%$#*&*&^%$%@@#$#@^%$#&*^%#$%#++**&*&^+%^%$#@#??!!%#$*&^*#$@#@!!! You 
just wait 'till my boyfriend gets home, he'll tan your hide. You're a 
bad boy, Clfford, you'l never amount to a thing. Wouldn't surprise me if 
you end up behind bars.


Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>THE HOLOCAUST MYTH: AN EXPENSE TO U.S. TAXPAYERS

All Good, loyal Americans are proud to pay their taxes. 
Cliffy cheats on his, and the IRS knows about it too.
Chuck




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From: Cliff Swiger <76053.707@CompuServe.COM>
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Hi Matt:

And this from the Jew, Kurt Tucholsky, on the German people:

"May the gas creep into the play-rooms of your children. They 
should drop dead
slowly, the little dolls. I'd like to see the wife of the 
churchwarden and the editor-
in-chief and the mother of the sculptor and the sister of the 
banker die a bitter,
excruciating death, all of them, together." Die Weltbuhne,XXIII, 
Nr.30 (July 30,
1927), pp. 152f

Cliff



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