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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <3249E808.5CC7@ix.netcom.com>,
> Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:...
> : Washington, DC, which used to be one of the most beautiful cities on
> : this planet, has become something more closely resembling Port-au-Prince
> : (complete with "papa doc" clone Mayor-for-life Marion S. Barry) as the
> : result of the intrusion of something hurtful or disagreeable.
> 
> : I freely admit that "hurtful" and "disagreeable" are subjective terms
> : and that there are individuals who find dead bodies littering the
> : streets on a daily basis, crack houses, public urination and defecation,
> : completely open "fencing" of stolen property and drug distribution,
> : astronomical rates of violent crime and AIDS, and a government which
> : has given new and more extreme meanings to the terms "corruption,"
> : "incompetence," and "comic opera" an improvement over the safe, White
> : and beautiful city of the past.                                 ^^^^^
> 
>     Okay.  Washington, DC is a predominately Black city population wise,
> with about 2/3 of the people being Black.  What I want to know is, what
> does the difference in the state of the city have to do with the color
> of anyone's skin?
> 


Washington is far more than 66.6 per cent. Black. Try 85 per cent. Most 
areas are nearly free of Whites, except for the Federal enclave, 
homo-trendy-elite Georgetown, embassy row, and the small Palisades 
section.

I agree completely that the "color of anyone's skin" has nothing to do 
with the savagery and lawlessness that Negro rule has brought to that 
city. If the Congoids' skin were bleached, they would remain what they 
are and Washington would change not a whit.

Had the former White residents of Washington, DC, had their skins tanned 
dark brown by the application of a UV lamp or other device, the inherited 
civilization-building characteristics of the European race would not have 
changed at all, though a slight increase in the skin cancer rate might 
have affected the average lifespan.

Skin color is only one of many differences between the races, and since 
it is mutable to some extent by the environment, it is far from the most 
important and can hardly be regarded as defining.

The race which evolved closest to the equator does seem quite different, 
physically and mentally, from the other races; and these differences 
would be, if anything, more obvious than ever if their skin color was 
made identical to ours. Take any color graphics program, and modify a 
picture of a typical African Negro so that his skin color approximates 
that of a European. Then ask yourself if that picture could ever be 
mistaken for a depiction of a White person.



....
> 
>     And just how are more exclusive areas "necessarily safer",
> especially since the vast majority of all crimes are intraracial?
> 


Your question contains a non-sequitur. The proportion of crime that is 
intraracial has nothing to do with the safeness of a particular area. 
Most of Washington, DC is unsafe day and night, and the vast majority of 
the crimes there are intraracial, largely because most Whites moved away 
years ago and stay away out of fear.

In answer to your question: exclusive areas are necessarily safer because 
of the types of people that are excluded from them.



....
> 
> : Most states in history have been based, at least to some extent, upon
> : kinship, which is at least as much felt as it is measured or measurable.
> 
> : I propose that kinship-based states are the natural form of human
> : organization and government, and are better than multinational empires
> : on almost every count.
> 
>     Maybe.  But are these kinships based on the color of people's skin?
> In other words, does "same 'race'" = automatic compatibilty and kinship?
> 


When people are of similar genetic backgrounds, characteristics including 
(but not limited to) skin color tend to be similar also.

"Same race" definitely equals kinship. It does not necessarily equal 
"automatic compatibility," whatever that is. I do think that 
compatibility and harmony are much higher in monoracial/monocultural 
societies than in multiracial/multicultural societies.



....
> : I don't consider the Irish to have been invaders at all; and if the
> : Emerald Isle is overpopulated and facing a choice between fewer
> : beautiful Irish boys and girls or emigration, I say bring them here!
> 
>     How convenient.
> 
> : "Lazy," "lawless," "stupid," "dirty," et cetera, are of course just terms
> : that may be applied to individuals -- and group averages -- with degrees
> : of accuracy ranging from exact to zero.
> 
>     Those terms can only be applied to individuals with any degree of
> accuracy.  Anyone who has a clue knows that.  That's because people are
> people.  There are plenty of differences within every "group" you can
> think of.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> ...


Of course there are differences within every group. But just because 
Fords and Rolls-Royces have many similarities, and there is quite a bit 
of variation in models within each marque, does not mean that there are 
no meaningful differences between a Silver Shadow and an Escort.

Happy October,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Subject: Re: "Universalism" Versus Racism
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Bob Whitaker wrote:

> ...
> > : The last thing Universalism is is universal.
> > :         When I was a child, the fact that the Inquisition was conducted
> > : in the name of Love and Brotherhood came as a real surprise.  But as
> > : the years passed and I learned more, I became very used to the fact
> > : that politics tend to destroy each virtue in its own name. Far from
> > : surprising, it is routine.
> > :         Real mercy can be thrown away in the name of a Greater Mercy,
> > : as was done in the Inquisition.  People who are fanatical about
> > : Tolerance can be the most intolerant people you will ever meet.
> >...
> > :         How many Universal faiths are there?   And within each
> > : Universalism there are sects.   And every single one of these
> > : Universalists is absolutely convinced that, among the thousands of
> > : active Universal Truths, his particular Truth is the True One.
> >...



Universalism is the direct or indirect cause of much confusion, injury, 
death, and misery on this planet.

Universalism insists that there be one morality for all; when even a 
child can perceive that the morality of the wolf must necessarily be 
different from that of the sheep; the morality of the slave different 
>from  that of the master. We live in a universe of matter and energy, 
totally devoid of moral values -- except the ones we create for 
ourselves. These should be created with a purpose in mind and with 
respect for Nature's laws.

Universalism, in one of its loonier incarnations, posits that the 
shell-game for the boobs that is currently called "democracy" in the 
United States is morally and practically superior to all previous forms 
of government devised by the peoples of the Earth, and that it is the 
duty of our young men to kill and possibly to die for the imposition of 
this system wherever and whenever our rulers declare it to be absent.

Peoples of many races, alone and afraid in a universe not of their 
making, invented Gods that inspired, comforted, or taught them through 
stories which are often quite revealing of the inner spirit of each 
people. Each pantheon was the possession and creation of a particular 
nation, and reflected the needs and character of that nation.

That is, until the advent of universal religions which essentially 
amounted to the proposition: "Accept my tribe's God as the only God, and 
follow his commandments." A nation of successful salvation-salesmen would 
quickly discover that this approach allowed them, without a sword being 
unsheathed, to dominate if not enslave competing peoples dim enough to 
take the bait.

The rule of the credulous by the crafty has long been a characteristic of 
relations between individuals and groups of _homo sapiens_, of course, 
but the universalist religions organized it on a spurious moral -- and a 
very real practical -- basis.

With happy October wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <3249E808.5CC7@ix.netcom.com>,
> Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:...
> : Washington, DC, which used to be one of the most beautiful cities on
> : this planet, has become something more closely resembling Port-au-Prince
> : (complete with "papa doc" clone Mayor-for-life Marion S. Barry) as the
> : result of the intrusion of something hurtful or disagreeable.
> 
> : I freely admit that "hurtful" and "disagreeable" are subjective terms
> : and that there are individuals who find dead bodies littering the
> : streets on a daily basis, crack houses, public urination and defecation,
> : completely open "fencing" of stolen property and drug distribution,
> : astronomical rates of violent crime and AIDS, and a government which
> : has given new and more extreme meanings to the terms "corruption,"
> : "incompetence," and "comic opera" an improvement over the safe, White
> : and beautiful city of the past.                                 ^^^^^
> 
>     Okay.  Washington, DC is a predominately Black city population wise,
> with about 2/3 of the people being Black.  What I want to know is, what
> does the difference in the state of the city have to do with the color
> of anyone's skin?
> 


Washington is far more than 66.6 per cent. Black. Try 85 per cent. Most 
areas are nearly free of Whites, except for the Federal enclave, 
homo-trendy-elite Georgetown, embassy row, and the small Palisades 
section.

I agree completely that the "color of anyone's skin" has nothing to do 
with the savagery and lawlessness that Negro rule has brought to that 
city. If the Congoids' skin were bleached, they would remain what they 
are and Washington would change not a whit.

Had the former White residents of Washington, DC, had their skins tanned 
dark brown by the application of a UV lamp or other device, the inherited 
civilization-building characteristics of the European race would not have 
changed at all, though a slight increase in the skin cancer rate might 
have affected the average lifespan.

Skin color is only one of many differences between the races, and since 
it is mutable to some extent by the environment, it is far from the most 
important and can hardly be regarded as defining.

The race which evolved closest to the equator does seem quite different, 
physically and mentally, from the other races; and these differences 
would be, if anything, more obvious than ever if their skin color was 
made identical to ours. Take any color graphics program, and modify a 
picture of a typical African Negro so that his skin color approximates 
that of a European. Then ask yourself if that picture could ever be 
mistaken for a depiction of a White person.



....
> 
>     And just how are more exclusive areas "necessarily safer",
> especially since the vast majority of all crimes are intraracial?
> 


Your question contains a non-sequitur. The proportion of crime that is 
intraracial has nothing to do with the safeness of a particular area. 
Most of Washington, DC is unsafe day and night, and the vast majority of 
the crimes there are intraracial, largely because most Whites moved away 
years ago and stay away out of fear.

In answer to your question: exclusive areas are necessarily safer because 
of the types of people that are excluded from them.



....
> 
> : Most states in history have been based, at least to some extent, upon
> : kinship, which is at least as much felt as it is measured or measurable.
> 
> : I propose that kinship-based states are the natural form of human
> : organization and government, and are better than multinational empires
> : on almost every count.
> 
>     Maybe.  But are these kinships based on the color of people's skin?
> In other words, does "same 'race'" = automatic compatibilty and kinship?
> 


When people are of similar genetic backgrounds, characteristics including 
(but not limited to) skin color tend to be similar also.

"Same race" definitely equals kinship. It does not necessarily equal 
"automatic compatibility," whatever that is. I do think that 
compatibility and harmony are much higher in monoracial/monocultural 
societies than in multiracial/multicultural societies.



....
> : I don't consider the Irish to have been invaders at all; and if the
> : Emerald Isle is overpopulated and facing a choice between fewer
> : beautiful Irish boys and girls or emigration, I say bring them here!
> 
>     How convenient.
> 
> : "Lazy," "lawless," "stupid," "dirty," et cetera, are of course just terms
> : that may be applied to individuals -- and group averages -- with degrees
> : of accuracy ranging from exact to zero.
> 
>     Those terms can only be applied to individuals with any degree of
> accuracy.  Anyone who has a clue knows that.  That's because people are
> people.  There are plenty of differences within every "group" you can
> think of.
> 
>         Phil Kasiecki
> ...


Of course there are differences within every group. But just because 
Fords and Rolls-Royces have many similarities, and there is quite a bit 
of variation in models within each marque, does not mean that there are 
no meaningful differences between a Silver Shadow and an Escort.

Happy October,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
      Resource list; not all are affiliated with me;
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     Information on Amateur Radio Operations on 3950 kHz:
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                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Bob Whitaker wrote:

> ...
> > : The last thing Universalism is is universal.
> > :         When I was a child, the fact that the Inquisition was conducted
> > : in the name of Love and Brotherhood came as a real surprise.  But as
> > : the years passed and I learned more, I became very used to the fact
> > : that politics tend to destroy each virtue in its own name. Far from
> > : surprising, it is routine.
> > :         Real mercy can be thrown away in the name of a Greater Mercy,
> > : as was done in the Inquisition.  People who are fanatical about
> > : Tolerance can be the most intolerant people you will ever meet.
> >...
> > :         How many Universal faiths are there?   And within each
> > : Universalism there are sects.   And every single one of these
> > : Universalists is absolutely convinced that, among the thousands of
> > : active Universal Truths, his particular Truth is the True One.
> >...



Universalism is the direct or indirect cause of much confusion, injury, 
death, and misery on this planet.

Universalism insists that there be one morality for all; when even a 
child can perceive that the morality of the wolf must necessarily be 
different from that of the sheep; the morality of the slave different 
>from  that of the master. We live in a universe of matter and energy, 
totally devoid of moral values -- except the ones we create for 
ourselves. These should be created with a purpose in mind and with 
respect for Nature's laws.

Universalism, in one of its loonier incarnations, posits that the 
shell-game for the boobs that is currently called "democracy" in the 
United States is morally and practically superior to all previous forms 
of government devised by the peoples of the Earth, and that it is the 
duty of our young men to kill and possibly to die for the imposition of 
this system wherever and whenever our rulers declare it to be absent.

Peoples of many races, alone and afraid in a universe not of their 
making, invented Gods that inspired, comforted, or taught them through 
stories which are often quite revealing of the inner spirit of each 
people. Each pantheon was the possession and creation of a particular 
nation, and reflected the needs and character of that nation.

That is, until the advent of universal religions which essentially 
amounted to the proposition: "Accept my tribe's God as the only God, and 
follow his commandments." A nation of successful salvation-salesmen would 
quickly discover that this approach allowed them, without a sword being 
unsheathed, to dominate if not enslave competing peoples dim enough to 
take the bait.

The rule of the credulous by the crafty has long been a characteristic of 
relations between individuals and groups of _homo sapiens_, of course, 
but the universalist religions organized it on a spurious moral -- and a 
very real practical -- basis.

With happy October wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                The Finest in European Art:
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                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Oct  4 07:42:41 PDT 1996
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From: Kevin Alfred Strom 
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:...
> >Universalism is the direct or indirect cause of much confusion, injury,
> >death, and misery on this planet.
> >
> >Universalism insists that there be one morality for all; when even a
> >child can perceive that the morality of the wolf must necessarily be
> >different from that of the sheep; the morality of the slave different
> >from that of the master. We live in a universe of matter and energy,
> >totally devoid of moral values -- except the ones we create for
> >ourselves. These should be created with a purpose in mind and with
> >respect for Nature's laws.
> [snipped for brevity]
> 
> I'm not too sure that there are many who seriously believe in a
> Universalism as posited here, it was Bob who first mentioned this term
> in another one of his demented arguments with an opponent of his own
> imagining.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> ...


First: the only imagining taking place is yours; and neither Mr. Whitaker 
nor his arguments are demented.

Most sects of the "great" monotheistic religions can properly be called 
universal, as can the ersatz religion that might describe itself as 
"humanistic democracy," as can Marxism, as can the "diversity" cult now 
contaminating our country.

I cannot remember his name, but an Oriental gentleman resident in the 
West published, two or three years back, a serious "intellectual" article 
declaring that with the putative triumph of America over the Soviet Bloc 
in the Cold War, that "history was at an end."

As far as I could tell, he was perfectly sincere in his belief that 
welfare-state capitalism and the three-card monte called "democracy" were 
perfect social systems destined to rule unchallenged forevermore and to 
spread their benificent rule over the entire planet, whose grateful 
residents would hosanna to the skies now that they could vote for the 
candidate of their choice and buy a wide variety of consumer items at 
discount prices while at the same time qualifying for many valuable 
prizes.

Hubris like this may seem foolishly innocent, but it often precedes the 
use of deadly force against those who choose to live or believe 
differently.

Whites -- including both the suckers who accept current dogma, and those 
who prefer to live and work among their own kind as have their fathers 
and grandfathers before them for countless generations -- are destined 
for elimination by a world-wide system of mass "democracy," unrestricted 
flow of labor and capital across national borders, and massive population 
transfers which help to ensure that racial loyalty will not coalesce into 
an effective political force again.

Those who would construct an alternative society more conducive to our 
survival, or even those who opt out of the system on an individual basis, 
usually at great cost to themselves, are treated approximately as 
religous heretics were treated in the years prior to widespread 
acceptance of the scientific method. Some are killed or imprisoned; most 
are ostracized or punished in one way or another.

In many ways, and quite rightly, nationalism and racialism are seen as 
the antithesis to the current establishment that presumes to rule the 
world in the name of the pee-pul. So the adherents of the temporarily 
triumphant and interlinked "democracy" and "diversity" cults vilify and 
attack all nationalist and racialist regimes, and magnify their real and 
imagined faults into metaphors for "evil." Currently, pre-1965 America 
and National Socialist Germany are the two main targets of the 
demonization process; but anyone who questions multiracialism is in the 
zone of fire.

I propose that parts of the planet be set aside for the continuation of 
kinship-based societies; and that Whites wishing to escape the feeding 
and breeding zone that used to deserve the name America be allowed to 
escape, if they so choose, into a new society founded on a racial basis 
even firmer than that which undergirded the Republic of the founders.

The fact that such a choice would be extremely popular is the main reason 
why the current universalist establishment will not permit it. 
Universalists can't allow alternatives or real dissent from their 
"perfect" ideology, and given the power to suppress or to kill usually 
use it.

Of course, if Quakers or Bob Tilton believers had their hands on the 
levers of power, I think it would be quite likely that they'd abuse it 
too, maybe just as much as the current crop of miscreants.

And I freely admit that some or even many of the kinship-based societies 
I would like to see might come under the spell of some kind of 
universalism. That is probably the nature of man, including and perhaps 
especially European man. I don't know what we can do about that in the 
short term, though eugenics holds out some hope in the long term.

The best we can do, I think, is to ensure that alternative societies, 
especially including traditional racially homogeneous societies, become 
available for dissenters from the current would-be world system.

Happy October,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Oct  4 07:42:43 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >It is not a "human right" for you to come onto my property if I do not
> >want you there.
> 
> >It is not a "human right" to force me to hire you if I would prefer not
> >to do so.
> 
> >Why any honorable person of any race would want to intrude where he was
> >not wanted is a subject I will leave to your imagination.
> 
> But why limit this to "race", Mr. Strom?  Why should men or women intrude
> where they are "not wanted"?  Why should folks of German descent intrude
> where they are "not wanted"?  Why should the guy with the zits and the
> goofy front teeth intrude where he is "not wanted"?  Like a classroom,
> a pharmacy, a grocery store...  And "not wanted" according to whom?  One
> other person present?  Two?  It sounds more like a basis for high school
> social cliques than for a modern society.
> 
> It seems that the criteria for exclusion are potentially infinite as are
> the contexts in which individuals might feel that such exclusionary choices
> are justifiable.  I've always thought, for example, that it would be cool
> to live in a society where nobody was taller than 5'7", so I would always
> be able to see the screen at movie theatres, no matter who sat in front of
> me.
> 
> What you have not done is provide a credible or legitimate argument for
> extending high school mentality cliquishness, along the lines
> of "race", to society at large.  In other words, you are still talking
> about "racism" as if it were nothing more than a "preference", as in
> "gentlemen prefer blondes".
> 
> [...]
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


It seems to me that yours is a pretty weak argument for jailing or fining 
people who exercise freedom of association.

To answer your objections:

How many people are needed to articulate an objection to a proposed 
association? One.

If you, just for an example, wanted nothing to do with Americans, then I 
firmly believe that no law should compel you to accept them into your 
home or business or church or association you may have formed with 
like-minded people; nor should any law prevent you from forming such 
associations including schools, clubs, apartment complexes, et cetera. 
Furthermore, no law should prevent you from freely contracting with 
others as a means of exercising your freedom of association, including 
the writing of deeds, wills, and business agreements.

Yes, as you stated, the potential criteria for exclusion are almost 
infinite, and always have been, as are the possibilities for inclusion.

That's one of the nice things about freedom -- especially the freedom we 
lost when the "civil rights" laws and decrees were imposed.

The ability to discriminate (a demonized word which means to choose) 
racially is more important than other forms of freedom of association, 
since it is an absolute necessity for the survival of each subspecies, 
but the other forms of this freedom are also precious in themselves.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                  http://www.natall.com/


From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Fri Oct  4 18:24:30 PDT 1996
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Dene Bebbington wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:...
> >Universalism is the direct or indirect cause of much confusion, injury,
> >death, and misery on this planet.
> >
> >Universalism insists that there be one morality for all; when even a
> >child can perceive that the morality of the wolf must necessarily be
> >different from that of the sheep; the morality of the slave different
> >from that of the master. We live in a universe of matter and energy,
> >totally devoid of moral values -- except the ones we create for
> >ourselves. These should be created with a purpose in mind and with
> >respect for Nature's laws.
> [snipped for brevity]
> 
> I'm not too sure that there are many who seriously believe in a
> Universalism as posited here, it was Bob who first mentioned this term
> in another one of his demented arguments with an opponent of his own
> imagining.
> 
> --
> Dene Bebbington
> ...


First: the only imagining taking place is yours; and neither Mr. Whitaker 
nor his arguments are demented.

Most sects of the "great" monotheistic religions can properly be called 
universal, as can the ersatz religion that might describe itself as 
"humanistic democracy," as can Marxism, as can the "diversity" cult now 
contaminating our country.

I cannot remember his name, but an Oriental gentleman resident in the 
West published, two or three years back, a serious "intellectual" article 
declaring that with the putative triumph of America over the Soviet Bloc 
in the Cold War, that "history was at an end."

As far as I could tell, he was perfectly sincere in his belief that 
welfare-state capitalism and the three-card monte called "democracy" were 
perfect social systems destined to rule unchallenged forevermore and to 
spread their benificent rule over the entire planet, whose grateful 
residents would hosanna to the skies now that they could vote for the 
candidate of their choice and buy a wide variety of consumer items at 
discount prices while at the same time qualifying for many valuable 
prizes.

Hubris like this may seem foolishly innocent, but it often precedes the 
use of deadly force against those who choose to live or believe 
differently.

Whites -- including both the suckers who accept current dogma, and those 
who prefer to live and work among their own kind as have their fathers 
and grandfathers before them for countless generations -- are destined 
for elimination by a world-wide system of mass "democracy," unrestricted 
flow of labor and capital across national borders, and massive population 
transfers which help to ensure that racial loyalty will not coalesce into 
an effective political force again.

Those who would construct an alternative society more conducive to our 
survival, or even those who opt out of the system on an individual basis, 
usually at great cost to themselves, are treated approximately as 
religous heretics were treated in the years prior to widespread 
acceptance of the scientific method. Some are killed or imprisoned; most 
are ostracized or punished in one way or another.

In many ways, and quite rightly, nationalism and racialism are seen as 
the antithesis to the current establishment that presumes to rule the 
world in the name of the pee-pul. So the adherents of the temporarily 
triumphant and interlinked "democracy" and "diversity" cults vilify and 
attack all nationalist and racialist regimes, and magnify their real and 
imagined faults into metaphors for "evil." Currently, pre-1965 America 
and National Socialist Germany are the two main targets of the 
demonization process; but anyone who questions multiracialism is in the 
zone of fire.

I propose that parts of the planet be set aside for the continuation of 
kinship-based societies; and that Whites wishing to escape the feeding 
and breeding zone that used to deserve the name America be allowed to 
escape, if they so choose, into a new society founded on a racial basis 
even firmer than that which undergirded the Republic of the founders.

The fact that such a choice would be extremely popular is the main reason 
why the current universalist establishment will not permit it. 
Universalists can't allow alternatives or real dissent from their 
"perfect" ideology, and given the power to suppress or to kill usually 
use it.

Of course, if Quakers or Bob Tilton believers had their hands on the 
levers of power, I think it would be quite likely that they'd abuse it 
too, maybe just as much as the current crop of miscreants.

And I freely admit that some or even many of the kinship-based societies 
I would like to see might come under the spell of some kind of 
universalism. That is probably the nature of man, including and perhaps 
especially European man. I don't know what we can do about that in the 
short term, though eugenics holds out some hope in the long term.

The best we can do, I think, is to ensure that alternative societies, 
especially including traditional racially homogeneous societies, become 
available for dissenters from the current would-be world system.

Happy October,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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                  I speak only for myself:

                 Occupied America Homepage:
      http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

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                The Finest in European Art:
      http://www.telecall.co.uk/~synergy/gframing/cat2.html

                   Patriotic Resistance:
                  http://www.natvan.com/
                  http://www.natall.com/


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Laura Finsten wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> 
> >It is not a "human right" for you to come onto my property if I do not
> >want you there.
> 
> >It is not a "human right" to force me to hire you if I would prefer not
> >to do so.
> 
> >Why any honorable person of any race would want to intrude where he was
> >not wanted is a subject I will leave to your imagination.
> 
> But why limit this to "race", Mr. Strom?  Why should men or women intrude
> where they are "not wanted"?  Why should folks of German descent intrude
> where they are "not wanted"?  Why should the guy with the zits and the
> goofy front teeth intrude where he is "not wanted"?  Like a classroom,
> a pharmacy, a grocery store...  And "not wanted" according to whom?  One
> other person present?  Two?  It sounds more like a basis for high school
> social cliques than for a modern society.
> 
> It seems that the criteria for exclusion are potentially infinite as are
> the contexts in which individuals might feel that such exclusionary choices
> are justifiable.  I've always thought, for example, that it would be cool
> to live in a society where nobody was taller than 5'7", so I would always
> be able to see the screen at movie theatres, no matter who sat in front of
> me.
> 
> What you have not done is provide a credible or legitimate argument for
> extending high school mentality cliquishness, along the lines
> of "race", to society at large.  In other words, you are still talking
> about "racism" as if it were nothing more than a "preference", as in
> "gentlemen prefer blondes".
> 
> [...]
> 
> "If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>           Emma Goldman


It seems to me that yours is a pretty weak argument for jailing or fining 
people who exercise freedom of association.

To answer your objections:

How many people are needed to articulate an objection to a proposed 
association? One.

If you, just for an example, wanted nothing to do with Americans, then I 
firmly believe that no law should compel you to accept them into your 
home or business or church or association you may have formed with 
like-minded people; nor should any law prevent you from forming such 
associations including schools, clubs, apartment complexes, et cetera. 
Furthermore, no law should prevent you from freely contracting with 
others as a means of exercising your freedom of association, including 
the writing of deeds, wills, and business agreements.

Yes, as you stated, the potential criteria for exclusion are almost 
infinite, and always have been, as are the possibilities for inclusion.

That's one of the nice things about freedom -- especially the freedom we 
lost when the "civil rights" laws and decrees were imposed.

The ability to discriminate (a demonized word which means to choose) 
racially is more important than other forms of freedom of association, 
since it is an absolute necessity for the survival of each subspecies, 
but the other forms of this freedom are also precious in themselves.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Sat Oct  5 09:52:45 PDT 1996
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <3252429F.5D0D@ix.netcom.com>,
> Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:...
> 
> : It is not a "human right" to force me to hire you if I would prefer not
> : to do so.
> 
>     If you prefer not to hire someone simply because of their "race",
> then you are denying that person the right to work.


Wrong. If I refuse to marry a particular woman, am I denying her the 
right to companionship and children? She is free to go elsewhere and has 
no claims upon me that I do not choose to voluntarily enter into.

If I was never born, or chose not to start a business, the result would 
be the same. A person's "right to work" is not dependent on my -- or 
anyone's -- decision or ability to hire him.

My business is no different than my home: it is mine and no one may enter 
there without my consent. I am not required to contract or trade with 
anyone unless I give my free consent. Anything else is slavery.


>  If you prefer not
> to hire them because they are not the most qualified, then there's
> nothing wrong.  And, assuming you support capitalism, how can you not
> hire the best person for the job.
> 


Since "affirmative action" and "equal employment opportunity" became part 
of the increasingly Leninesque landscape in the United States, it is now 
positively illegal in many cases to "hire the best person for the job."



....
> 
> : Many White people preferred and still prefer to live and work among
> : their own kind.
> 
>     That doesn't justify "racial" disrimination.
> 


Discrimination merely means to choose. This right to choose preexisted 
governments and in fact preexisted the evolution of humans on planet 
Earth. It doesn't need to be "justified." What needs to be justified is 
the taking away of this right -- what needs to be justified is the 
forcing of people to associate and contract in manners not of their 
choosing, and their punishment by fines or imprisonment if they refuse.



....
> : I might add that these laws are enforced very selectively, meaning
> : _primarily against White men and women_.
> 
>     Yeah.  Funny how even today, lip service is still given to civil
> rights legislation...
> 
> : I have some experience in broadcasting, and can testify to the fact
> : that White-owned radio stations live in constant fear of the "EEO"
> : ("equal employment opportunity") requirements, and must dot every "i"
> : and cross every "t" to prove they have not "discriminated."
> 
>     That's an interesting discussion, because I've never been convinced
> that numbers alone prove discrimination.
> 
> : But Black-owned and operated radio stations often employ not a single
> : White man or woman, and openly refer to themselves as Black
> : institutions, and no one complains or files suit or levies fines
> : against them.
> 
>     Can you provide evidence that any White people try to gain
> employment there?  I ask because many White people would not do such a
> thing....


You are right in that I am sure few Whites would make such an attempt to 
go where they are not wanted.

But, in terms of the "EEO" regulations, that is not relevant.

The regulations require that radio stations actively recruit and hire 
"minorities," with stiff penalties if they do not meet the 
constantly-shifting standards of the Federal Commissars in this regard. 
There is no requirement that anyone recruit and hire Whites. Whites have 
no standing whatsoever in this patronage system.

I suggest you subscribe to _Radio World_ newspaper, 1527 Columbia Pike, 
Falls Church, Virginia 22041, to keep up to date on the industry. Every 
six months or so the "EEO" secret police have a new revolutionary decree 
that all station owners must obey, and the paper usually covers it, 
albeit in a slavish "what must we do now to obey our masters?" manner.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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Philip Kasiecki wrote:
> 
> In article <3252429F.5D0D@ix.netcom.com>,
> Kevin Alfred Strom (ka_strom@ix.netcom.com) wrote:...
> 
> : It is not a "human right" to force me to hire you if I would prefer not
> : to do so.
> 
>     If you prefer not to hire someone simply because of their "race",
> then you are denying that person the right to work.


Wrong. If I refuse to marry a particular woman, am I denying her the 
right to companionship and children? She is free to go elsewhere and has 
no claims upon me that I do not choose to voluntarily enter into.

If I was never born, or chose not to start a business, the result would 
be the same. A person's "right to work" is not dependent on my -- or 
anyone's -- decision or ability to hire him.

My business is no different than my home: it is mine and no one may enter 
there without my consent. I am not required to contract or trade with 
anyone unless I give my free consent. Anything else is slavery.


>  If you prefer not
> to hire them because they are not the most qualified, then there's
> nothing wrong.  And, assuming you support capitalism, how can you not
> hire the best person for the job.
> 


Since "affirmative action" and "equal employment opportunity" became part 
of the increasingly Leninesque landscape in the United States, it is now 
positively illegal in many cases to "hire the best person for the job."



....
> 
> : Many White people preferred and still prefer to live and work among
> : their own kind.
> 
>     That doesn't justify "racial" disrimination.
> 


Discrimination merely means to choose. This right to choose preexisted 
governments and in fact preexisted the evolution of humans on planet 
Earth. It doesn't need to be "justified." What needs to be justified is 
the taking away of this right -- what needs to be justified is the 
forcing of people to associate and contract in manners not of their 
choosing, and their punishment by fines or imprisonment if they refuse.



....
> : I might add that these laws are enforced very selectively, meaning
> : _primarily against White men and women_.
> 
>     Yeah.  Funny how even today, lip service is still given to civil
> rights legislation...
> 
> : I have some experience in broadcasting, and can testify to the fact
> : that White-owned radio stations live in constant fear of the "EEO"
> : ("equal employment opportunity") requirements, and must dot every "i"
> : and cross every "t" to prove they have not "discriminated."
> 
>     That's an interesting discussion, because I've never been convinced
> that numbers alone prove discrimination.
> 
> : But Black-owned and operated radio stations often employ not a single
> : White man or woman, and openly refer to themselves as Black
> : institutions, and no one complains or files suit or levies fines
> : against them.
> 
>     Can you provide evidence that any White people try to gain
> employment there?  I ask because many White people would not do such a
> thing....


You are right in that I am sure few Whites would make such an attempt to 
go where they are not wanted.

But, in terms of the "EEO" regulations, that is not relevant.

The regulations require that radio stations actively recruit and hire 
"minorities," with stiff penalties if they do not meet the 
constantly-shifting standards of the Federal Commissars in this regard. 
There is no requirement that anyone recruit and hire Whites. Whites have 
no standing whatsoever in this patronage system.

I suggest you subscribe to _Radio World_ newspaper, 1527 Columbia Pike, 
Falls Church, Virginia 22041, to keep up to date on the industry. Every 
six months or so the "EEO" secret police have a new revolutionary decree 
that all station owners must obey, and the paper usually covers it, 
albeit in a slavish "what must we do now to obey our masters?" manner.

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AHABIZ wrote:
> 
> In article <844218184$29170@atype.com>, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike
> S. Medintz) writes:
> >[the Bok wrote]
> >>Shouldn't we consider the consiquences of becoming a minority in what
> >>has been for over 200 years, a majority White nation?
> >
> >Consequences? The only consequence that I see here in the Midwest is that
> >becoming a Klan member will be a source of public humiliation.
> 
> hmm, where I grew up in the midwest (Wisconsin and Iowa) klan membership
> was considered to reflect badly on the entire family of the member...and
> *that* was 20 years ago....
> 
> >And as a white male midwesterner, I look forward to that. I welcome the
> day
> >that racists are exposed as the ignorant losers that they are.
> 
> It should also be pointed out that there is no such thing as a caucasian
> 'culture' thus the simple fact that the initial makeup of the
> post-revolutionary United States included a majority of folks with
> relatively low melanin (?sp?) levels in their skin doesn't mean much.
> Also, considering that most of our formerly european ancestors who ended
> up over here did so because they were forced out, thrown out, or otherwise
> encouraged to leave from their varied countries of origin doesn't exactly
> lend itself to the myth that there was some sort of 'superior' culture
> transmitted by them to this continent.
> 
> Arlin H. Adams


Medintz and Adams are united in their callous disregard for the European 
heritage that made America what it once was: a heritage of freedom 
unparalleled in history; a heritage of excellence in science and art; a 
heritage of unheard-of prosperity; a heritage of racial integrity; a 
heritage which gave us the will and power to become the first people to 
actualize European man's dream of flight to other worlds.

As America becomes more and more Third World in genetic composition, so 
our culture and our politics come to resemble the chaos of Haiti or 
Rwanda. The streets of our largest cities, now largely abandoned by 
Euro-Americans, have become killing fields where violent gangs of 
non-Whites rule and bodies wait stinking for the ever-later cleanup crews 
that, for some reason or other, are still called "homicide 
investigators."

Is this what the integrationists promised us? Now, they not only want 
"inclusion" but also "integration" of the races at the level of sperm and 
egg? For this, we gave up our traditions and our future?

What the Americans stupidly failed to see was that the goal of the 
integrationists was never "fairness" or "equality," which were only 
snares to fool the suckers, but rather the destruction of the biological 
basis of the American nation. A "nation" composed of fifty or one hundred 
warring cultures and peoples is unlikely to coalesce to resist the noose 
of world government.

With my best wishes,

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Mike S. Medintz wrote:
> ...
> 
> By the time H. sapiens spread out of Africa and to the rest of the world,
> it was more or less what it is today.


The "Out of Africa" theory of human origins is still hotly debated among 
scientists. It is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

In any case, it is irrelevant to the fact that Europeans evolved some 
noticeable differences from their distant cousins who "stayed behind," in 
more ways than one, in Equatorial Africa.


> The physical characteristics of
> race-skin pigmentation and hair texture-were pretty much all that had to
> change. It wasn't millions of years ago, but tens of thousands. IIRC,
> Homo sapiens sapiens (us) happened withing the last 30,000 years. In
> evolutionary terms, that's the blink of an eye. In that time, minor
> morphological traits may evolve naturally....


Of course, one may consider larger brain size, higher facial angle, 
smaller jaws and teeth, reduced skull thickness, reduced limb-to-body 
length ratio, and greater sulcation of the brain surface to be "minor 
morphological traits," but it is interesting to note that the Congoid 
stands somewhere on the scale between the European and most non-human 
primates for every one of the traits listed -- and there are others.

This by no means that Blacks are inherently inferior to Whites. Despite 
their deficiency in some frontal-lobe functions, no Black nation has, as 
far as I know, exhibited the stupidity commonplace among Whites who not 
only give away their nation and its wealth to anyone who can scramble 
across an imaginary border-line, but actually make a "moral" fetish out 
of it, attacking as "evil" anyone who wants their nation or race to 
survive.

The "anti-racists" seem to be making the argument that all the subspecies 
of man are exactly equal, at least in behavioral traits and mental 
capacity. It really would be a remarkable anomaly if this were true. Is 
that really your position?

With all good wishes,

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Ian McKinney wrote:
> 
> In message <844412588$8281@atype.com> - juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps) wr
> ites:
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>Everyone who opposes gun control can say, "Hitler agrees with us".  I
> :>can just see them lining up to say this.
> 
> Why not emphasize the doubtless outlawing of gun ownership by the Commies,
> instead of promoting the nonsense that Hitler "grabbed the guns?" It doesn't
> make sense unless there's a reason for doing it. I'm convinced that outfits
> like JFPO (Jews For the Preservation of Firearm Ownership) do it because
> there were very disproportionate number of Jews involved in the Communist
> controlled countries, and they don't want that fact known. So they concoct
> this nonsense about Hitler being a big gun-grabber.
> 


There has never been a government on planet Earth that could receive 
unqualified endorsement from me, or probably from any reasonable man.

But learning from history is important, and it is interesting to study 
various regimes from as objective an outlook as possible. This becomes 
very difficult when a government or its leader or its people have become 
demonized or turned into a metaphor for "evil."

This demonization process is currently being used against Iraq, but in 
recent years it has also been used against Iran, Libya, and the 
Palestinians, among others.

How can you discuss Iraq objectively when speaking to a group of morons 
wearing "I'd walk a mile to smoke a camel (picture of Arab on camel in 
gunsight)" t-shirts? Such individuals, many of whom probably could not 
locate Iraq on a map and were not even aware of that nation's existence 
prior to 1991, have allowed themselves to be whipped into a frenzy of 
hatred by mass media propaganda, which comes these days mainly from the 
appropriately-named "boob tube."

Another heavily-demonized regime is the Old America, which I would define 
roughly as pre-1965 America, or Euro-America. (Exempt from demonization, 
of course, are New World Order change-agents like the Marxist profligate 
"Martin Luther" King and the unspeakable Franklin Roosevelt, who were 
doing their best to destroy the Old America and everything it stood for. 
They are not demonized, but are regarded as heroes if not saints!) Hardly 
a day goes by that the Red networks or the liepapers don't torment us 
with a documentary "proving" the evil "racism" and "oppression" that was 
omnipresent in what anyone over 40 can remember was a much freer, safer, 
more cultured, prosperous, and optimistic nation.

The National Socialist regime in Germany between 1933 and 1945 has been 
demonized probably even more than the Old America, and has become a 
metaphor for "evil" used by almost all political factions in the insane 
asylum that still goes by the name "United States of America."

Thus we have the looney CDR/Morris Dees left accusing militias of being 
dangerous "nazis," while some right-wing patriot groups accuse the 
Clintonistas and their enforcers of being "nazis," "fascist," 
"stormtroopers," et cetera.

"Nazi" has become a word that one attaches to any form of government 
power, or rebellion against government power, that is thought to be 
illegitimate or that one disapproves of. For all practical purposes, the 
word has ceased to have any actual meaning.

But like the word "witch" in the 16th century, the smear word "nazi" 
still has the power to instill fear of ostracism or punishment, so 
cowards of many political stripes do all sorts of mental and verbal 
gymnastics to avoid the feared appellation.

The really interesting thing to note is that National Socialist Germany 
is not demonized by the establishment for its possible faults -- but 
rather for one of its virtues. After all, many regimes of today and 
yesterday have far less personal freedom than was allowed citizens there, 
far less press freedom, far more regimentation, far higher taxation, far 
more government regulation, far more hostility toward their own citizens, 
and all the rest of it.

The real reason, and in fact the only reason, National Socialist Germany 
is demonized is the same reason that pre-1965 America is demonized: both 
had governments which favored the survival of the White race. This is a 
crime that the New World Order cannot forgive.

Read _Germany Is Our Problem_ by Treasury Secretary and New World Order 
operative Henry Morgenthau, Jr., and you will find in the introduction to 
this book, written during World War II, a clear statement that the war 
was between the "United Nations" and the nations which opposed the 
"United Nations" -- that exact terminology was used.

At any rate, Germany under the National Socialists was in the process of 
repealing many of the restrictions on gun ownership which had been 
imposed by the former "liberal" regime there, and, though its gun laws 
were not as good as, say, Switzerland's, they had a situation roughly 
analogous to the United States before the 1960s with the exception that 
Communists and minority gangs were forbidden the use of weapons.

With all good wishes,

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AHABIZ wrote:
> ...
> 
> The other point that ian has continuously evaded in this issue is the fact
> that he misuses the term 'race' to *imply* the term 'species'.  Of course
> this is nonsense - since racial characteristics have absolutely nothing to
> do with whether one is a member of homo sapiens sapiens - we all are,
> regardless of ethinic variations.  One easy way to demonstrate this (and
> something all of the white supremacists hate to acknowledge) is that
> people from different races can interbreed successfully.  Now the racists
> have a real problem here, because if different races were different
> species inter-racial couples would either be unable to have children, or
> the children which would be produced would be sterile.  Neither is the
> case.
> 
> Arlin H. Adams


Whether the races constitute separate species is debatable, but they 
definitely qualify for subspecies status. No other mammal with geographic 
variations as substantial as man's is not divided into subspecies; and 
several different subspecific classification systems have been proposed. 
In fact, some mammal subspecies are so designated on the basis of 
differences invisible to the human eye at distance of five feet.

Also, it is not true that different species cannot mate and produce 
fertile offspring. Examples include platties and guppies, dogs and 
wolves, tigers and lions, bison and cattle.

To further your education on this subject, I suggest you read:

http://www.cptigers.org/subspec1.html

and

http://sydney.dialix.oz.au/~pp/biclsspc.html

and

http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/nir/alex/misc/chimphuman.mail/4


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Kaa Byington wrote:
> ...
> >
> 
> Furthermore, now that the molecular biologists can map DNA, they've
> proved that the genetic differences between individuals of the same
> "race" are GREATER than the genetic differences between individuals of
> different "races."  Which means that an "Aryan" is much more likely to be
> genetically closer to an "African" than he is to another "Aryan."
> 


Dear Kaa: It means nothing of the kind. Your teachers got the science 
wrong, but made sure you got the PC message "right."

Even if we accept your nonsensical statement that "the genetic 
differences between individuals of the same 'race' are GREATER than the 
genetic differences between individuals of different 'races'" as true; it 
does not follow that a European would be "much more likely" to be 
"genetically closer" to an African than to another European. Even if the 
nonsensical statement was true, we would merely have to state that we 
would have no way of predicting the degree of genetic similarity.

For an obvious example, I am genetically similar to my brother to a 
greater degree than to an average African and probably to any African. 
The same is true of my other family relations, and it is generally true 
also of the extended family which constitutes the European race.

What your mommy professor was probably trying to relate was the fact that 
the bell curves describing the distribution of various characteristics 
within each race do overlap, and that the distance from one extreme to 
the other on each curve is often greater than the average distance 
between the curves. This is as true for genes as for measured 
characteristics above the cellular level.

So, since the bell curve describing White IQ goes from, say 50 on the 
extreme low end, to say 250 on the extreme high end; and since the Black 
IQ curve is "only" 15 points below the White curve on average; it is 
therefore true to say that the maximum difference possible between White 
IQs (200 points) is much greater than the average difference between 
Blacks and Whites (15 points).

But that statement is a little deceptive, unless you at the same time 
relate that living in a society with a tenth of the geniuses and ten 
times more borderline morons is vastly different from living in a White 
society.

The same statement (that the _range_ of all differences is greater than 
the _average_ differences between the groups being compared) can be said 
of most racial differences, or even species differences.

The range in blossom color and shape among all roses may be greater than 
the average differences in the same characters between roses and violets. 
But that does not mean that there are not important differences between 
roses and violets, or that they ought to be regarded as "equal."



> >> I find it hard to believe that you and the others posting here truly
> >>believe that all races are equal in abilities. Every group has
> >>specialized to their unique needs. Not al groups created in by Nature
> >>are viable. You seem to be arguing from the notion of universal human
> >>equality, which, if I remember correctly, was the ideal that Marxism
> >>was bases on.
> 
> No, not Marx, Thomas Jefferson:  All men are created equal. If they sink
> into the cesspool of Naziism or rise to greatness from there, it's
> because this country believes that everyone should have a level playing
> field to start out on and what happens after that is their own
> responsibility.


By your standards, Jefferson and the founding fathers would all be 
classified as "nazis."

Jefferson, along with Madison, Monroe, Francis Scott Key, and Lincoln, 
among many other notables of the early Republic, was in favor not only of 
racial separation, but of the permanent removal of Africans from North 
America and their humane repatriation to the continent of Africa. If you 
like I will provide supporting quotations.

With all good wishes,

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goo wrote:
> 
>                     Refuse the Politics of Cruelty!
>                           Build Ten Days of Truth
>                       October 21st - November 1st
> 
>                           It's All One Attack...
> 
>         ...and it is coming down in a landscape where forces like Newt
> Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, and the Christian Coalition are not just
> tolerated
> as sane, but actually set the terms of debate. Their platform includes
> gutting affirmative action


If only it were true!


> , slashing funds for education, 


Considering the red agenda of the NEA and AFT, and the preponderance of 
swarthy anti-Americans on "our" campuses expatiating on the wonders of 
Marxism and the happy day when White people will become extinct, I think 
it is reasonable to ask if any education at all is being accomplished 
with these "funds."

It is sad that our enemies have taken over our educational establishment; 
but it is a fact and we are merely indulging in a dangerous illusion if 
we pretend otherwise.

Despite the fact that all American parents are forced to pay for the 
definitely harmful and possibly fatal "liberal" brainwashing of other 
people's children, many of them are opting out of the system and 
homeschooling, thereby proving that they have not lost the essential 
mammalian survival skill of protection of their offspring.


> gay-bashing,



Do you mean restoring and enforcing the laws against the disgusting 
practice of homosexual sodomy (the primary means for the transmission of 
the deadly AIDS virus) which were part and parcel of the Republic of the 
founders?



> passing anti-immigrant legislation,


Do you mean like the pre-1965 laws which protected America from the 
onslaught of the Third World, from the invasion of our nation by aliens, 
and which protected America's European genetic and cultural heritage?

Do you mean that the laws which criminal politicians like Emanuel Celler 
and Edward Kennedy managed to get repealed in 1965, beginning the 
biological destruction of our wonderful country, are going to be 
restored?

I can hardly wait!


> building prisons,


The building of prisons, while regrettable perhaps in some philosophical 
sense, is absolutely necessary in any civilized society contaminated by 
savages, communists, anarchists, and alien subversives. The trouble is 
that these societal detritus have more and more influence in American 
society (witness the Clinton regime) and there is a very real danger that 
they, with their soiled paws on the levers of power, will start to kill 
the rest of us or put us in jail (witness Ruby Ridge).

A society in which prisons or the equivalent are unnecessary has never 
been known, to my knowledge, and the only chance of such a thing 
occurring is if the upper end of the intelligence curve were to 
contribute virtually all of the genetic material in the next few 
generations, and "goo" and his comperes virtually none. Even then, I have 
my doubts.


> ending welfare,


If we quite subsidizing our internal enemies and aliens within our 
borders, we would have a much easier time helping those of our people who 
really deserve it.



> ,censoring the arts and media,


If you mean stopping the involuntary taxpayer subsidies of sodomite 
soft-porn, bottles of urine containing crucifixes, American flags on the 
floor with a sign instructing viewers to masturbate into it, and similar 
alleged "art," that is hardly censorship.


> and criminalizing African American
> youth.
> ...


For the most part, they "criminalize" themselves. I, for one, would be 
willing to let the Africans have their own society with any rules they 
choose. Let them sort out their own crime problem; it is obvious that 
meddling White "liberals" and "let's get tough" conservatives can't do 
it.

With happy October wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 10 13:25:54 PDT 1996
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Delores Niedrich wrote:
> 
> What you say about Bob Dole being the last of his generation is correct.
> 
> However, there is no indication that the new politicians will be so
> abruptly liberal as you would like. Liberalism has brought America to the
> brink of bankruptcy. When the baby boomers reach retirement, or shortly
> sooner, the liberal ball of wax will reap its whirlwind.
> 
> When the bad economic times come, there is every likelihood that the
> liberal charade will be over once and for all. Both the Republican and
> Democratic Parties are responsible for what has been done to destroy our
> nation.
> 
> In the future, I foresee the end of immigration, integration, and
> pandering to criminals. Every time has its time, and YOUR time is also
> coming to an end. Usually, history has a way of overturning every
> civilization, the result of bad decisions, such as the decision to spend
> our country into the ground.
> 
> Your message here points out the changing guard of the old timers, but it
> doesn't point that the same thing is building up for your own little
> two-bit heroes, as well.
> 
> Liberalism has failed. Integration has failed. Immigration has failed. The
> churches have failed. What is new will be different. Failures are cast
> aside. Always.
> ...


Very well said. I would only add that what is called "liberalism" has 
another weakness or two.

For one, "liberalism" is a bizarre accretion of various unrelated 
lunacies, patched together over many decades in a purely pragmatic effort 
to keep the boobs happy about their dispossession.

As such, it has no organic unity or instinctual basis, and will survive 
about as long as a house of straw in a hurricane once it loses its powers 
to brainwash and to punish. These it will surely lose soon.

The economic denouement of "liberalism" is coming, in which, if we are 
lucky, the trading stamps that pass for money today will no longer be 
able to buy the acquiescence and labor of the surviving Americans, and 
healthier and more natural values will then be able to reassert 
themselves.

Of course, certain revered religious writings also consist of a diverse, 
strange, and inconsistent patchwork. But the "meaning" of these writings 
evolves as quickly as fruit flies, they have been constantly 
reinterpreted over the generations, and they are not attached to one 
particular political agenda. So they will probably continue to live on 
and on despite their multiform irrationality.

I should add in passing that "liberalism" is primarily a mental state 
peculiar to White people. No non-White nation, to my knowledge, has ever 
been stupid enough to import and subsidize its natural enemies; and I 
believe that all adherence of our domestic enemies to "liberalism" is 
merely a form of anti-White solidarity and not due to any mental defects 
on the part of the non-Whites. The defects which manifest themselves as 
"liberalism" are virtually limited to Whites.

Secondly, if "liberalism" survives long enough, it will probably act as a 
kind of biological selection mechanism.

Groups which promote and practice self-sterilizing behavior, such as 
homosexual sodomy, the slaying of healthy children in the womb, 
childlessness among women as an ideal, interracial mating, adoption of 
aliens as a replacement for bearing children, sexual relations as a 
consequence-free recreation, et cetera, are in fact ensuring that each 
passing generation will contain fewer and fewer of the genes which cause 
or allow such mental aberrations to take hold.

They can therefore increase their numbers only, like the perverts, by 
recruiting; and by contaminating the minds of the young through the 
"education" system they captured decades ago. But since they are now 
committed to not only making America into a multiracial feeding and 
breeding zone, but also to extending that insanity worldwide, they have 
now guaranteed their own failure. By attempting the impossible -- no 
multiracial empire has ever succeeded in the long term and monoracial 
kinship-based states tend to emerge from the ashes -- they are ensuring 
that, at least in some areas, they will eventually lose the power to 
indoctrinate and to recruit.

So we can confidently look forward to a future in which White "liberals" 
no longer exist. The real question is whether or not they will take the 
rest of us with them when their self-hatred and death-wish reach their 
inevitable, inescapable, and permanent conclusion.

The brightest hope we have is that, when stronger hands arrive in North 
America to pick up the pieces, they will be of our race, and that they 
will be sagacious enough to prevent the cycle from repeating.

With my very best wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 10 13:47:20 PDT 1996
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Delores Niedrich wrote:
> 
> What you say about Bob Dole being the last of his generation is correct.
> 
> However, there is no indication that the new politicians will be so
> abruptly liberal as you would like. Liberalism has brought America to the
> brink of bankruptcy. When the baby boomers reach retirement, or shortly
> sooner, the liberal ball of wax will reap its whirlwind.
> 
> When the bad economic times come, there is every likelihood that the
> liberal charade will be over once and for all. Both the Republican and
> Democratic Parties are responsible for what has been done to destroy our
> nation.
> 
> In the future, I foresee the end of immigration, integration, and
> pandering to criminals. Every time has its time, and YOUR time is also
> coming to an end. Usually, history has a way of overturning every
> civilization, the result of bad decisions, such as the decision to spend
> our country into the ground.
> 
> Your message here points out the changing guard of the old timers, but it
> doesn't point that the same thing is building up for your own little
> two-bit heroes, as well.
> 
> Liberalism has failed. Integration has failed. Immigration has failed. The
> churches have failed. What is new will be different. Failures are cast
> aside. Always.
> ...


Very well said. I would only add that what is called "liberalism" has 
another weakness or two.

For one, "liberalism" is a bizarre accretion of various unrelated 
lunacies, patched together over many decades in a purely pragmatic effort 
to keep the boobs happy about their dispossession.

As such, it has no organic unity or instinctual basis, and will survive 
about as long as a house of straw in a hurricane once it loses its powers 
to brainwash and to punish. These it will surely lose soon.

The economic denouement of "liberalism" is coming, in which, if we are 
lucky, the trading stamps that pass for money today will no longer be 
able to buy the acquiescence and labor of the surviving Americans, and 
healthier and more natural values will then be able to reassert 
themselves.

Of course, certain revered religious writings also consist of a diverse, 
strange, and inconsistent patchwork. But the "meaning" of these writings 
evolves as quickly as fruit flies, they have been constantly 
reinterpreted over the generations, and they are not attached to one 
particular political agenda. So they will probably continue to live on 
and on despite their multiform irrationality.

I should add in passing that "liberalism" is primarily a mental state 
peculiar to White people. No non-White nation, to my knowledge, has ever 
been stupid enough to import and subsidize its natural enemies; and I 
believe that all adherence of our domestic enemies to "liberalism" is 
merely a form of anti-White solidarity and not due to any mental defects 
on the part of the non-Whites. The defects which manifest themselves as 
"liberalism" are virtually limited to Whites.

Secondly, if "liberalism" survives long enough, it will probably act as a 
kind of biological selection mechanism.

Groups which promote and practice self-sterilizing behavior, such as 
homosexual sodomy, the slaying of healthy children in the womb, 
childlessness among women as an ideal, interracial mating, adoption of 
aliens as a replacement for bearing children, sexual relations as a 
consequence-free recreation, et cetera, are in fact ensuring that each 
passing generation will contain fewer and fewer of the genes which cause 
or allow such mental aberrations to take hold.

They can therefore increase their numbers only, like the perverts, by 
recruiting; and by contaminating the minds of the young through the 
"education" system they captured decades ago. But since they are now 
committed to not only making America into a multiracial feeding and 
breeding zone, but also to extending that insanity worldwide, they have 
now guaranteed their own failure. By attempting the impossible -- no 
multiracial empire has ever succeeded in the long term and monoracial 
kinship-based states tend to emerge from the ashes -- they are ensuring 
that, at least in some areas, they will eventually lose the power to 
indoctrinate and to recruit.

So we can confidently look forward to a future in which White "liberals" 
no longer exist. The real question is whether or not they will take the 
rest of us with them when their self-hatred and death-wish reach their 
inevitable, inescapable, and permanent conclusion.

The brightest hope we have is that, when stronger hands arrive in North 
America to pick up the pieces, they will be of our race, and that they 
will be sagacious enough to prevent the cycle from repeating.

With my very best wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

-----------------------------------------------------------
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Delores Niedrich wrote:
> 
> What you say about Bob Dole being the last of his generation is correct.
> 
> However, there is no indication that the new politicians will be so
> abruptly liberal as you would like. Liberalism has brought America to the
> brink of bankruptcy. When the baby boomers reach retirement, or shortly
> sooner, the liberal ball of wax will reap its whirlwind.
> 
> When the bad economic times come, there is every likelihood that the
> liberal charade will be over once and for all. Both the Republican and
> Democratic Parties are responsible for what has been done to destroy our
> nation.
> 
> In the future, I foresee the end of immigration, integration, and
> pandering to criminals. Every time has its time, and YOUR time is also
> coming to an end. Usually, history has a way of overturning every
> civilization, the result of bad decisions, such as the decision to spend
> our country into the ground.
> 
> Your message here points out the changing guard of the old timers, but it
> doesn't point that the same thing is building up for your own little
> two-bit heroes, as well.
> 
> Liberalism has failed. Integration has failed. Immigration has failed. The
> churches have failed. What is new will be different. Failures are cast
> aside. Always.
> ...


Very well said. I would only add that what is called "liberalism" has 
another weakness or two.

For one, "liberalism" is a bizarre accretion of various unrelated 
lunacies, patched together over many decades in a purely pragmatic effort 
to keep the boobs happy about their dispossession.

As such, it has no organic unity or instinctual basis, and will survive 
about as long as a house of straw in a hurricane once it loses its powers 
to brainwash and to punish. These it will surely lose soon.

The economic denouement of "liberalism" is coming, in which, if we are 
lucky, the trading stamps that pass for money today will no longer be 
able to buy the acquiescence and labor of the surviving Americans, and 
healthier and more natural values will then be able to reassert 
themselves.

Of course, certain revered religious writings also consist of a diverse, 
strange, and inconsistent patchwork. But the "meaning" of these writings 
evolves as quickly as fruit flies, they have been constantly 
reinterpreted over the generations, and they are not attached to one 
particular political agenda. So they will probably continue to live on 
and on despite their multiform irrationality.

I should add in passing that "liberalism" is primarily a mental state 
peculiar to White people. No non-White nation, to my knowledge, has ever 
been stupid enough to import and subsidize its natural enemies; and I 
believe that all adherence of our domestic enemies to "liberalism" is 
merely a form of anti-White solidarity and not due to any mental defects 
on the part of the non-Whites. The defects which manifest themselves as 
"liberalism" are virtually limited to Whites.

Secondly, if "liberalism" survives long enough, it will probably act as a 
kind of biological selection mechanism.

Groups which promote and practice self-sterilizing behavior, such as 
homosexual sodomy, the slaying of healthy children in the womb, 
childlessness among women as an ideal, interracial mating, adoption of 
aliens as a replacement for bearing children, sexual relations as a 
consequence-free recreation, et cetera, are in fact ensuring that each 
passing generation will contain fewer and fewer of the genes which cause 
or allow such mental aberrations to take hold.

They can therefore increase their numbers only, like the perverts, by 
recruiting; and by contaminating the minds of the young through the 
"education" system they captured decades ago. But since they are now 
committed to not only making America into a multiracial feeding and 
breeding zone, but also to extending that insanity worldwide, they have 
now guaranteed their own failure. By attempting the impossible -- no 
multiracial empire has ever succeeded in the long term and monoracial 
kinship-based states tend to emerge from the ashes -- they are ensuring 
that, at least in some areas, they will eventually lose the power to 
indoctrinate and to recruit.

So we can confidently look forward to a future in which White "liberals" 
no longer exist. The real question is whether or not they will take the 
rest of us with them when their self-hatred and death-wish reach their 
inevitable, inescapable, and permanent conclusion.

The brightest hope we have is that, when stronger hands arrive in North 
America to pick up the pieces, they will be of our race, and that they 
will be sagacious enough to prevent the cycle from repeating.

With my very best wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 10 16:43:31 PDT 1996
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Bob Casanova wrote:
> 
> In article <53e99s$9i1@news.usaor.net>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
....
> 
>  Everybody
> >knows what a White person is and how to identify one. It's the same with any
> >other race.
> 
> Really? How would you classify, say, an inhabitant of India? How about someone
> from Tahiti? Sudan? New Orleans? (The former) Yugoslavia?...


Of course, the fact that there is a dispute about the boundary of the 
Republic of Argentina, or that the boundary of the Pacific Ocean is 
somewhat diffuse at its periphery, is not an argument that Argentina or 
the Pacific do not exist.

The operant category that has determined human history, and will in all 
likelihood continue to do so, is the identity that human groups _assign 
to themselves_. These voluntary and natural divisions are usually 
referred to as "peoples," as in the French people, the Russian people, 
the Japanese people, et cetera.

They seldom cross racial lines, and are usually a subset of race or 
subspecies. They may in fact be one cause contributing to the ongoing 
speciation of human beings.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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From ka_strom@ix.netcom.com Thu Oct 10 16:44:14 PDT 1996
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Bob Casanova wrote:
> 
> In article <53e99s$9i1@news.usaor.net>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
....
> 
>  Everybody
> >knows what a White person is and how to identify one. It's the same with any
> >other race.
> 
> Really? How would you classify, say, an inhabitant of India? How about someone
> from Tahiti? Sudan? New Orleans? (The former) Yugoslavia?...


Of course, the fact that there is a dispute about the boundary of the 
Republic of Argentina, or that the boundary of the Pacific Ocean is 
somewhat diffuse at its periphery, is not an argument that Argentina or 
the Pacific do not exist.

The operant category that has determined human history, and will in all 
likelihood continue to do so, is the identity that human groups _assign 
to themselves_. These voluntary and natural divisions are usually 
referred to as "peoples," as in the French people, the Russian people, 
the Japanese people, et cetera.

They seldom cross racial lines, and are usually a subset of race or 
subspecies. They may in fact be one cause contributing to the ongoing 
speciation of human beings.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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                  http://www.natall.com/


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Bob Casanova wrote:
> 
> In article <53e99s$9i1@news.usaor.net>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
....
> 
>  Everybody
> >knows what a White person is and how to identify one. It's the same with any
> >other race.
> 
> Really? How would you classify, say, an inhabitant of India? How about someone
> from Tahiti? Sudan? New Orleans? (The former) Yugoslavia?...


Of course, the fact that there is a dispute about the boundary of the 
Republic of Argentina, or that the boundary of the Pacific Ocean is 
somewhat diffuse at its periphery, is not an argument that Argentina or 
the Pacific do not exist.

The operant category that has determined human history, and will in all 
likelihood continue to do so, is the identity that human groups _assign 
to themselves_. These voluntary and natural divisions are usually 
referred to as "peoples," as in the French people, the Russian people, 
the Japanese people, et cetera.

They seldom cross racial lines, and are usually a subset of race or 
subspecies. They may in fact be one cause contributing to the ongoing 
speciation of human beings.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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                  http://www.natall.com/


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Bob Casanova wrote:
> 
> In article <53e99s$9i1@news.usaor.net>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
....
> 
>  Everybody
> >knows what a White person is and how to identify one. It's the same with any
> >other race.
> 
> Really? How would you classify, say, an inhabitant of India? How about someone
> from Tahiti? Sudan? New Orleans? (The former) Yugoslavia?...


Of course, the fact that there is a dispute about the boundary of the 
Republic of Argentina, or that the boundary of the Pacific Ocean is 
somewhat diffuse at its periphery, is not an argument that Argentina or 
the Pacific do not exist.

The operant category that has determined human history, and will in all 
likelihood continue to do so, is the identity that human groups _assign 
to themselves_. These voluntary and natural divisions are usually 
referred to as "peoples," as in the French people, the Russian people, 
the Japanese people, et cetera.

They seldom cross racial lines, and are usually a subset of race or 
subspecies. They may in fact be one cause contributing to the ongoing 
speciation of human beings.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Robert Ireland wrote:
> 
> The Bok wrote:...
> > Mr. Medintz,
> >
> >  Intellectual understanding is certianly a way to solve problems.
> > There is unfortunately a lack of understanding between you and I which
> > causes you to use name-calling and adhominem attacks in place of sound
> > speculation and higher reasoning. This could be solved by dropping
> > your hatreds and looking at the world and this discussionin
> > particular, with an analytical mind.
> >
> >  To answer your question about my nickname: The Bok. It is all very
> > simple.
> >
> > The Bearer Of Knowledge
> >
> > Best Regards
> 
> --
> Where did this nazi idiot come from?  Hasn't anyone told him to take his
> Jew hating shit and go entertain in alt.skinhead.assholes?  Geeze!  Go
> away for a couple of weeks to bag a deer and when I get back we have
> nazi slime in the parlor.  What gives?
> 
> Robert Ireland
> aircav@zapcom.net
> 
> "Liberty is not free, it must be fought for every day."


Dear Mr. Ireland:

I fail to see any validity in your insult of the Bok. He has offered 
documentation, facts, and opinions which one may challenge or 
corroborate, or with which one may agree or disagree; but merely to call 
him names, as you have done, is to imply that you have no answer to his 
statements.

Is this the impression you are trying to give?

Actually, I have discovered that, in modern America, merely to hold 
certain opinions which were held by the founding fathers of America is 
sufficient to get yourself called a "nazi" by the Red Guards of the media 
and the government.

The founding fathers certainly believed in racial separation. The 
founding fathers certainly believed that our constitutional republic was 
a government fitted mainly for White Europeans and their posterity. The 
founding fathers certainly opposed the practice and the promotion of 
homosexual sodomy. The founding fathers certainly opposed interracial 
mating.

And the laws of America -- when it was still America -- reflected those 
beliefs, which were also in harmony with the ancient traditions of our 
people. The overturning of those laws was for decades the task of the 
heavily-Jewish ADL, ACLU, NAACP, and Communist power structures.

I have been involved in patriot circles for more than two decades, and I 
can tell you that these things are well known, commonplace 
understandings.

There are some genuine patriots, with whom I am personally acquainted and 
whose names you would no doubt recognize, who soft-pedal the racial 
truths; but that is a tactical move which occasionally allows them to 
slip their program or advertising onto the controlled media. It in no way 
implies that they are unaware of the anti-White nature of the New World 
Order we all oppose.

Those who make "anti-racism" one of the centerpieces of their "patriot" 
activities are possibly either agents of our enemies, or in the orbit of 
one who is. Certainly we may at least note that they oppose the founding 
father's vision of America, and endorse the ADL/Communist vision.

As for Jews, a few of them do indeed repudiate the actions of their 
leadership, and expose the Jewish establishment's anti-Americanism for 
all to see. I am happy to note this, but it does not change the facts 
about what the Jewish media and Jewish establishment are doing to our 
country.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Bill K. wrote:
> 
> Ian McKinney goosestepped:
> >
> > I'll say that at least 80% of the Whites I have work with oppose
> > race-mixing. That's not just my guess - that estimate comes from their
> > unsolicited statements or from my personally asking them about it. One
> > co-worker told me that he has warned all three of his daughters that if they
> > choose to mate with a non-white they will be disowned and forbidden to ever
> 
> OK, you have proven you hang out with strange, semi-literate xenophobes.
> ...

Any nation that intends to survive must have ways of preventing racial 
mixing. Until a mostly-Red Supreme Court struck down our ancient laws on 
the subject in the last few decades (they were never repudiated by the 
people), America was no exception.

You have shown us no evidence of the level of literacy of Mr. McKinney's 
lunch-time acquaintances. You assume, wrongly, that all White persons who 
deplore interracial mating are low in intelligence, education, and 
attainment. Yours is a level of stereotyping that makes minstrel shows 
look like scientific analysis by comparison. Your insult, of course, does 
not constitute a refutation of Mr. McKinney's statements, and might lead 
an objective reader to conclude that you cannot refute them.

Mr. McKinney's experience parallels mine, and I have a wide circle of 
acquaintances and friends, including medical professionals, broadcast 
executives and engineers, government bureaucrats, university professors, 
business owners, and many others. I would say that, approximately, a 
majority of Whites deplore racial mixing to the extent they are willing 
to talk in private about it, but are intimidated by the government and 
media into keeping quiet in public. As one man put it not too long ago: 
"It's damn near illegal to be White in this country." A typical White 
American response when the subject of race comes up in conversation is a 
quick look over the shoulder to determine who might be within earshot.

It is even possible that some who post here, in stridently Politically 
Correct "anti-racist" tones, privately believe otherwise -- as did the 
millions of Louisianans who voted for David Duke but did not admit it to 
the pollsters.

Of course, opposition to racial mixing is normal for any people or nation 
which has not lost its survival instinct.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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AHABIZ wrote:
> 
> In article <845103819$9373@atype.com>, "Ken P."  writes:
> 
> >Hydrogen cyanide *was* the compound with which Nazis are accused of
> >using at Auschwitz-Birkenau and other camps.  Zyclon-B is a pesticide
> >based on hydrogen cyanide.  Other names are prussic or hydrocyanic acid.
> >So, how am I trying to mislead people?  By the way, my name is Ken, or
> >in the typography that you seem to prefer, "ken."
> 
> wow!  revisionist chemistry! a.  Zyklon-B was a nerve agent, I have no
> idea who told you otherwise, but I can imagine... ...


According to a pro-"Holocaust" resource at:

http://nizkor.almanac.bc.ca/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-06.html

"Zyklon-B is a powerful insecticide which serves as a carrier for the gas 
Hydrocyanic acid, or HCN. It usually comes in the shape of small pellets 
or disks. (See Breitman, 203, for more detail about the early use of the 
gas at Auschwitz) HCN is the cause of death following the application of 
Zyklon-B."

According to another anti-revisionist resource at:

http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/cyanide/cyanide.001

" As mentioned above in the technical data section, hydrogen 
cyanide is often used as a fumigant for ships, warehouses, and 
dwellings.  Cyanide can be used to kill vermin and insects, 
but it will not kill bacteria {11}.  It is therefore useless 
for disinfecting anything, but it will eliminate vermin that 
harbor pathogens.   

    For fumigation purposes, a German firm called Degesch made 
a product called Zyklon B.  Zyklon B consisted of liquid HCN 
adsorbed onto a carrier -- "wood fiber disks, dia gravel, or 
small blue cubes [sic]" {12}.  Although toxic, cyanide was 
hard to detect alone, so an irritant was added to the Zyklon 
to warn people of exposure." 

Another resource, this time a revisionist one, states at:

http://www3.stormfront.org/revision/ff5zyklonb.html

"Note to educators and students: This Fact File presents background and 
technical information regarding Zyklon B. Zyklon B or in English, Cyclone 
B was a trade name of the German firm Degesch which supervised the 
distribution of this product during World War II. The product was 
designed as a fumigant for the purpose of pest and vermin control. Zyklon 
B was a special preparation which contained hydrocyanic acid (HCN). HCN 
was used as a fumigant even prior to World War I by the United States. 
Zyklon B was HCN absorbed in a carrier, typically wood pulp or 
diatomaceous earth."

So it seems that both revisionists and anti-revisionists agree on the 
established fact that Zyklon B was a specialized commercial preparation 
of hydrocyanic acid.

"Arlin H. Adams" is wrong again. I am sure that even his real employers 
would be displeased to discover that he was making up his "facts" as he 
went along. "John Doe Times" readers, please note.

Of course, "Arlin H. Adams" may be sincere and repeating a falsehood that 
originated with someone else. The "Holocaust" mythos is filled with 
contradictory claims and counterclaims. Care to give us your source for 
the "fact" that Zyklon B was a "nerve agent," Arlin?

With good wishes to all,

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AHABIZ wrote:
> 
> In article <845095683$8988@atype.com>, knbell 
> writes:
> 
> >I wonder what position you hold in the Militia movement. You pontificate
> >as though you hold a very high position. Please elaborate.
> 
> Hmm, actually I hold a couple, but to answer your question as directly as
> operational security allows, I advise various unit leaders on issues
> related to political, intelligence, and security issues, as well as
> coordinating a special support unit in the southeastern United States.
> 


God help those whom you so "advise."



> >Frankly your remarks on Race appear to go directly counter to the
> >position held by the Founding Fathers of our Republic. Many considered
> >slavery ill-advised for many reasons, but none contended that the
> >black slave was "equal" mentally or any other way to the White.
> 
> My position and remarks accurately reflect the highest ideals espoused in
> the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.


You mean the ones you, and your employers, have selected as useful for 
your purposes. You ignore the others.



>  To attempt to excuse your racism based on the shortcomings of the
> Founding Fathers is merely to attempt to cover yourself with a tissue of
> the ignorance of the times in which they lived...as futile as if you were
> to claim that quantum mechanics did not matter because no one had heard of
> it when this country was formed.
> 
> Arlin H. Adams


Mr. Adams, if that is his real name, who in e-mail to me has admitted 
that he espouses not the _actual_ principles and beliefs of the founding 
fathers, but a new, "ideal" version of them, here admits practically the 
same thing again.

The "new" "ideal" version espoused by Mr. Adams is almost 
indistinguishable from the "new" "ideal" version promulgated by Earl 
Warren, Alger Hiss, Franklin Roosevelt, George Bush, Bill Clinton, and 
all the rest of the change-agent operatives of the New World Order.

Let me quote from Mr. Adams' letter:

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY.  not, as you would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied through
the prejudices and mistakes of the founders, BUT in it's clear and ideal
form, carried forward these two hundred and twenty years and
incorporating all that has been learned in that time."

It could have been written by the Ad Council, though they might have 
caught the typographical errors.

Mr. Adams also admitted in his letter that his former employment was in 
the intelligence field.

With happy October wishes,

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Kaa Byington wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >
> >Kaa Byington wrote:
> >> ...
> >> >
> >>
> >> Furthermore, now that the molecular biologists can map DNA, they've
> >> proved that the genetic differences between individuals of the same
> >> "race" are GREATER than the genetic differences between individuals of
> >> different "races."  Which means that an "Aryan" is much more likely to be
> >> genetically closer to an "African" than he is to another "Aryan."
> >>
> >
> >
> >Dear Kaa: It means nothing of the kind. Your teachers got the science
> >wrong, but made sure you got the PC message "right."
> 
> Well, that's funny, because "my teachers" were a couple of the
> geneticists at the Stanford Human Genome project--I took a couple of
> genetics courses there a couple of years ago.  The top people in the
> world.  I could direct you to some  reading on it, scientific papers, but
> your pre-DNA "genetics" are so ignorant that you wouldn't understand
> them.  The Human Genome Project, since I'm sure you don't know what it
> is, is a worldwide effort to map all the DNA--the genetic code--in the
> human body.
> 


You assume incorrectly, Miss Byington. I am quite hopeful that the 
Project will expand our knowledge of this most important of all subjects, 
and in a happier future will allow us to make more informed decisions 
about the conscious direction of our evolution.

The fact that PC mommy professor was working on the Project is troubling, 
of course, but I have faith that the truth will prevail even if political 
considerations delay its appearance until the passing of the 
delusionary "equality" religion from the planet.



> >
> >Even if we accept your nonsensical statement that "the genetic
> >differences between individuals of the same 'race' are GREATER than the
> >genetic differences between individuals of different 'races'" as true; it
> >does not follow that a European would be "much more likely" to be
> >"genetically closer" to an African than to another European.
> 
> Yes, I'm afraid it does follow: it's been proven. Within "group"
> variation is greater.  They've tested enough people to know this. 


You write in broad, inaccurate brushstrokes, and seem incapable of 
grasping the meaning of your own words. You stated:

"the genetic differences between individuals of the same 'race' are 
GREATER than the genetic differences between individuals of different 
'races'"

You did _not_ say that the genetic differences between _some_ members of 
the same race _could be_ greater than their differences with a member of 
another race (a true statement) -- you said they _are_ greater. Your 
statement effectively means: "Take _any_ two White people. They will be 
more similar, genetically, to _any_ Black than they are to each other." I 
suspect that is not what you meant to say; but if it is, please supply a 
quote from any geneticist which supports your view.


> "Race"
> is only something in the eye of the beholder--the genes themselves show
> that nature has divided people differently than on skin color.  Or
> related them to each other.  It may be that everyone who has a certain
> lobe on his liver is much more closely related--but you can't see that.
> 


It is certainly true that human groupings exist based on characters 
invisible to the naked eye: liver lobes, affinity for Mozart, milk 
tolerance, favorite Jeopardy categories, et cetera; and it is also true, 
as you say, that some of these groupings have a genetic basis that 
overlaps racial categories.

However, races are still evolutionarily significant units -- much more so 
than liver lobes. This is true because races, subraces, and peoples are 
the means by which human beings voluntarily organize themselves into the 
largely endogamous biological entities that are the actors on the stage 
of history. Thus it has always been.

The high forehead, light skin, and noble cast of features associated with 
some groups, for example, are not so much valued for themselves but for 
what they tell the observer about the other, invisible, characteristics 
that usually accompany them. The red feathers and crest of the cardinal 
do not, of course, _determine_ its behavior; but their presence tells us 
much about the bird's genetic inheritance -- and that _does_ tell us a 
great deal about its behavior.

Liver lobes may be evolutionarily significant, though invisible; but far 
more significant is the kinship-feeling of a shared history and destiny 
which corresponds with an identifiable physical type.

In this sense, every successful nation is "racist." The beautiful and 
incomparable sculpture of ancient Greece is therefore profoundly racist 
since it elevates its vision of our race's perfected physical structure 
to an aesthetic ideal. So too, are the artistic visions of John William 
Waterhouse, William Draper, and Dante Gabriel Rossetti also profoundly 
racist, and for the same reason.

Such works of art define the ideal of that people -- and by implication, 
the degree of deviation from it.



...
> 
> >What your mommy professor was probably trying to relate was the fact that
> >the bell curves describing the distribution of various characteristics
> >within each race do overlap, and that the distance from one extreme to
> >the other on each curve is often greater than the average distance
> >between the curves. This is as true for genes as for measured
> >characteristics above the cellular level.
> 
> No, the Bell Curve doesn't work in this study.  The Bell Curve is central
> limit theory, averages, and you can't average DNA.


You are confusing a book, _The Bell Curve_, which I was not referring to, 
to bell curves in general.

And secondly, your statement "you can't average DNA" is totally 
nonsensical. You can't _literally_ average hair or melanin molecules 
either, but it is perfectly legitimate to ascertain averages of different 
hair-forms or skin colors among different populations.

I find it difficult to believe that you passed the courses in question, 
unless you have become impaired in some manner since then, or standards 
at the universities have drastically fallen.


>  They use probability
> theory.  There are no measured characteristics above the cellular level,
> my friend. 


Again, you have made a nonsensical statement. "Measured characteristics 
above the cellular level" means characteristics like height, weight, 
strength, intelligence, interorbital distance, iris color, skin color, 
facial angle, number and formation of dentition, and thousands of other 
things. Are you stating that these characteristics do not exist, or that 
they cannot be measured?


> There is no way you can look at anyone's genes and tell what
> they look like on the outside, beyond male-female.   Well, only if the
> gene is faulty--that produces some noticeable characteristics.
> Huntington's disease, diabetes, etc.
> 


Since the physical form of every organ, absent injury or deprivation of 
some kind, is determined by the genetic code, a full understanding of the 
genetic code would allow us to know a great deal about what the 
individual looked "like on the outside" and many other things besides.

Of course, we don't have such complete knowledge -- yet. But the Human 
Genome Project is an important step in that direction.



...
> 
> But what is white?  Looking at the genes themselves, you can't
> distinguish them from "black" or "green" or whatever.  The Genome Project
> has made studies like those reported in The Bell Curve into a joke.
> What you just said is meaningless: those tests aren't measuring anything.
> 


You yourself admitted, in a recent message to earl@NeoSoft.com on this 
newsgroup:

"We're 99.9 percent alike, and they have to
map that first before we can find differences."

I assure you, those differences will be found. And, assuming your 
percentage figure is correct, those two million base pairs (out of two 
billion) of proteins that _are_ different will prove to be very 
significant indeed; just as the two per cent. which distinguish human 
beings from chimpanzees are very significant as well.

Racial differences are genetically determined, and a full understanding 
of the human genome will allow us to understand precisely the mechanism 
which produces those differences. Just because, as you state, no gene has 
been found which is absent in "all Whites" or "all Blacks" means little 
except that the races intergrade at their peripheries.



...
> 
> The advances in molecular biology are absolutely mind-bending.  Right now
> they are working on gene therapy: replacing faulty genes in the living
> human being.  They send in new DNA on a virus.  Theoretically, someday
> they can locate all those little bits of protein that in some combination
> or other produce what we call "intelligence"--if ever it can be
> defined--and turns morons into geniuses as they wait.  Gonna mess up your
> eugenics program A LOT, my friend.
> ...


No indeed, it will facilitate a eugenics program the likes of which this 
planet has never seen.

If such a program is voluntary, as I hope, I believe that almost everyone 
will choose advanced intelligence, as perfect a body as possible, and 
noble features as defined by their racial group as characteristics to be 
passed on to the next generation. This will serve the cause of evolution 
on this planet.

With best wishes,

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Mike S. Medintz wrote:
> 
> Whilst completely naked, Kevin Alfred Strom said unto us:
> 
> >Whether the races constitute separate species is debatable, but they
> >definitely qualify for subspecies status.
> 
> Wrong. Methinks it's time for Kevin to re-take Fundamentals of Evolutionary
> Biology.
> 
> The only two subspecies of Homo sapiens are H.sapiens Neanderthal, now
> extinct, abd H.sapiens sapiens, IOW us.
> 
> >No other mammal with geographic
> >variations as substantial as man's is not divided into subspecies; and
> >several different subspecific classification systems have been proposed.
> 
> Proposed but not accepted.


Proposed by highly qualified scientists, I might add. The idea of 
subspecific classification of humans is still very much open to debate, 
except among the Politically Correct, to whom the idea is anathema for 
essentially religious reasons.

It is commonplace knowledge that race, subspecies, and variety are 
synonyms.


> Also, no other single species within class Mammalia
> has the same dispersal mechanisms available as humans.
> 


I assume you refer to ships and aircraft, which are recent developments. 
Since there is no reason to limit our discussion to mammals, I might add 
that birds have had far more efficient dispersal mechanisms than man for 
a very, very long time. They have speciated quite nicely.



> The differences between one region and the next are cultural, not inherent,
> and therefore not a question of biology.
> 



I see. So the steatopygia of the Capoid is "cultural" in origin? As is 
the prognathism of the Congoid? As is the eye-fold of the Mongoloid?

Even a child can see that all of these things are very much a question of 
biology.


> >In fact, some mammal subspecies are so designated on the basis of
> >differences invisible to the human eye at distance of five feet.
> 
> As a matter of fact, subspecies variations are more often made on the basis
> of factors that can't be seen with the naked eye at all. Blood chemistry,
> genetic sequence, and so on.
> 


If the same standards for subspecific division were applied to man as to 
many other species, there is no doubt that man would be divided into 
several geographic subspecies. The resistance to this is largely 
religious/philosophical in nature, and is partly based on fear of 
violating one of modern society's most powerful taboos.

A recent debate on sci.anthropology covered this very topic. Here's an 
excerpt, which is archived presently at

http://www.anatomy.su.oz.au/danny/anthropology/sci.anthropology/archive/september-1995/0294.html

and connected links:

---begin quoted message---

Homo Sapiens needs to be classified in
sub species.

Jong (jong@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk)
1 Sep 1995 23:00:55 GMT

      
The genetic and phenotypic differences between so called
races maybe big enough to sub classify the human species.
While we subdivide various other species into sub species,
due to political and social worries, anthropologists are failing
to do it. As there is inconsistency in making subspecies
due to real difficulty and simple lack of coordination between
classifiers the issue does not necessarily mean people tabooed
it. Also, the population seems to be more open to interethnic
marriage due to recent geographical and socioeconomical factors.
Even so, anthropology should be able to provide information
on the differences between group's people.

Jong.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
7 Sep 1995 13:28:10 -0700

 

In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn)
writes:

> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on
>this I would like to know.

To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
together our history, this is vital data.

It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about
the
possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.
Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
there are human subspecies. Attempting to enforce an ideological
gag-order
on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
their science straight.

I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand
what
a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
racist notions of superiority/inferiority. But however noble your goal
may
be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be
racist.
The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner
we
can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Gerold Firl (geroldf@sdd.hp.com)
8 Sep 1995 13:16:09 -0700

      

In article <42nt4r$lbc@access1.digex.net> huston@access.digex.net writes:
>In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>,
>Gerold Firl  wrote:
>}Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>}there are human subspecies.

>What are their Latin names?

A fair question - no scientific consensus has ever emerged regarding the
appropriate level of differentiation between races, and thus races do not
have commonly accepted linnean designations.

In the case of other species, say, pocket gophers, the first biologist
who
came along with sufficient interest and time to classify the regional
varieties could apply whatever level of differentiation seemed
appropriate.
It might eventually provoke a counter, if someone else felt that the
analysis was flawed, and cared enough to take the time, but such disputes
are carried-on at the leisurely pace of scholarly debate. The human case
is
different.

Many classification proposals have been suggested. There are those who
will
passionately proclaim that "there is only one human race - the human
race!". That is one extreme, the ultimate lump. A popular, and still
overly
lumpy, in my opinion, classification uses three races: negroid,
caucasian,
and mongoloid. I seem to recall an attempt to more finely split h.
sapiens
into 33 races; that is pretty far out on the extreme end of the lumper-
splitter continuum, but is by no means unjustified. Many other species
have
been classified to similar levels of sub-speciation; the pocket gopher,
for
example.

So, I am saying that anyone with an understanding of evolutionary biology
(unless they have an ideological axe to grind!) can easily see that human
subspecies exist. The african pygmies are the clearest example of that.
The
question then is where and how would the divisions be drawn; what level
of
differentiation is appropriate? Again, a fair question. It depends on
what
you're interested in. Anthropology, the science of man, which examines
all
aspects of the human condition, benefits from an understanding of even
subtle differences between human populations. As we see from evolutionary
biology, over long periods of time, even subtle differences can produce
significant divergance. Thus I would argue that shying away from the
issue
of human race is an act of abdication, a retreat from a legitimate aspect
of
study as a result of political pressure. I support the idea of an ethical
foundation to work; anthropologists must follow their conscience, as must
all of us. I'm saying that this should not be an "ethical" issue; race is
a
biological fact, and must be treated as such. I don't like the idea of
race
being used as a political tool, either, but that is a different issue
entirely. Pretending that race doesn't exist simply won't help anything.

---begin next quoted message---

Re: Homo Sapiens needs to be classified
in sub species.

Scott Sellers (sds@crash.cts.com)
Wed, 13 Sep 1995 03:45:57 GMT



In article <42nkkqINNfmj@hpsdlmc1.sdd.hp.com>, geroldf@sdd.hp.com says...
>
>In article <428o9d$6u0@sun.lclark.edu> adunn@sun.lclark.edu (Allan Dunn) writes:
>
>> I wonder why it would be useful at all? If anyone has insight on
>>this I would like to know.
>
>To me, the most useful information which could be gained by a thorough
>understanding of human races (where race is synonomous with biological
>subspecies) is the resulting insight into our evolutionary past. The
>current pattern of human races (muddied as it is by massive mixing) is a
>map of both gene flow and the movement of peoples. In trying to piece
>together our history, this is vital data.
>

It seems odd to speak of "our" evolutionary past while at the same time
attempting to
divide humans along evolutionary lines. If the focus is upon the
differentiation of
human subspecies, wouldn't differentiated terms be more appropriate? Of
course, that
would be part of the task. And can we really speak of "our" history if we
are divided
into unmuddied (pure?) races? How about, say, "our" history and "their"
history.

>It's good that people have a social conscience, and are concerned about the
>possible misuse of knowledge. But I think that attempting to claim that
>race among humans is purely a social fiction is an absurd over-reaction.

I agree. Race is not "purely" a social fiction. However, I'd say the
preponderance of
the uses of "race" as a category in human history, past AND present, have
been, and
are, social fiction.

>Anyone with any knowledge of evolutionary biology can clearly see that
>there are human subspecies.

So can anyone with any racist theory.

>Attempting to enforce an ideological gag-order
>on such people is orwellian doublethink. On the other hand, telling
>xenophobic racists that their mania has no scientific basis is equally
>futile; anyone who uses race as a primary classification tool for their
>interactions with other individuals will not be concerned about getting
>their science straight.

Again, I agree. Right-thinking xenophobic racists' usually rely directly
upon the Word
of God to back their positions. Not that they will pass on the odd bit of
science,
psuedo or otherwise. Hitler claimed a sound scientific basis for his
racial theories.
Even if your "pure science" approach arrives at a conclusion that is
value neutral
regarding the various "subspecies," just think how certain scholars will
misinterpret,
amplify, or flat out misrepresent it.

>
>I suppose this ideological campaign is really aimed at the people in the
>middle, those who don't have enough evolutionary biology to understand what
>a subspecies is, and who are not mired in an ideology which depends on
>racist notions of superiority/inferiority.

I'd say most people would not limit their conception of human subspecies
to the hard
biological science you might come up with. Probably enough people to make
a plurality
in, say, the U.S.A. today. And while the "people in the middle" may not
currently be
"mired" in racist ideology, I wouldn't consider them unsusceptible to
such. See
Germany, 1930's-40's, or the Deep South, Slavery era, or the former
Yugoslavia today.

>But however noble your goal may
>be, using disinformation to sway the debate will be counterproductive in
>the long run. Race does exist, but that doesn't mean we have to be racist.
>The sooner we can drain the emotional rancor from ths debate, the sooner we
>can get back to the more pleasant task of pursueing the science of man.

Noble? I'd say pragmatic. I wish I shared your faith that science will
somehow out in
the "long run." I don't. I think that people are profoundly ideological
animals,
science be hanged. The theory you espouse, while perhaps having some
value in the
pursuit of truth, would, I'm afraid, be far more significant as fodder
for ideologies
which reach far beyond the scope of science, into the realm of politics
and power.
But, go ahead. Tack up your thesis. Just watch out who yanks it down and
runs with
it. But, I guess that's not really your concern. Here's to pleasant
pursuits.

---end quoted messages---


In the last post, Mr. Sellers, while acknowledging the utility of
subspecific classes for humans, advises against their use because they
might give credence to "racism," which he deplores.

Most illuminating.




> >Also, it is not true that different species cannot mate and produce
> >fertile offspring. Examples include platties and guppies, dogs and
> >wolves, tigers and lions, bison and cattle.
> 
> If you'd like to document the guppies and felines, we'd sure appreciate it.
> 


My sources indicate that the guppy/platty hybrids are infertile, so I 
misspoke on that count.

As for lion/tiger hybrids:

"Generations of lions have been bred in zoos and never known the freedom 
of the plains.  Also, man being the meddler he is, lions have been 
induced to mate many times with other large members of the cat family.  
The best known are "ligers" (lion x tigress) and "tigons" (tiger x 
lioness).  As is often the case with hybrids, they are usually bigger 
than their parents."

Taken from:     Denis, Armand
                       Cats of the World
                       Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1964.
                       p.29


In addition http://198.150.8.9/jtiger.html states:

"Tigers and lions are capable of inter-breeding, their offspring are 
called tions or ligers. There are few tions or ligers in existence 
because lions live in Africa and tigers in Asia so the two rarely meet."

If that is the only reason for their rarity, then the offspring must at 
least sometimes be fertile.

At http://www.5tigers.org/bibrepro.htm the following reference is given:

"Seifert, S., and W. Grummt. 1982. Brood of a tigon from two different 
species of parents. Zool. Gart. N. F. 52(5/6):361-4. In German."

Lastly, a recent article in the _Spokesman-Review_ indicated concern that 
the animals liberated by the police from something called "Ligertown" 
were breeding in their holding camp, something the authorities were not 
prepared for.

In addition, polar bears and brown bears can interbreed and produce 
fertile offspring, as can many species of cichlids. In addition, two 
birds known to produce fertile hybrids are now classified as separate 
species: Bullock's oriole and the northern oriole.




> Dogs and wolves are the same species, BTW. Canis lupus, although some
> biologists put dogs into a separate subspecies (C. l. familaris).
> 


That decision was made in 1993 by certain bodies (and political motives 
were not entirely absent, such as the desire of some to have _canis 
lupus_ removed from threatened and endangered lists), and it is not 
universally accepted. Many still regard _canis familiaris_ as a separate 
species, especially considering that some of its female members cannot 
conceive with _canis lupus_ without death of the female.



> BTW, the test is that ALL healthy members of species A will mate to produce
> fertile offspring with ALL healthy members of species B, and that the
> offspring will be genetically fertile on a consistent basis. If that's the
> 


Please finish your truncated sentence.

Even after decades of interracial propaganda, something within the vast 
majority of humans causes them to prefer members of their own subspecies 
as mates. This is true for many animals, not just man.

Certain species of prairie chicken hybridize rarely, but the mongrel 
offspring have the _appearance_ of one species and the _mating dance_ of 
the other. Thus they behave repellently to the opposite sex that they 
attact visually, and seldom if ever mate successfully. (Observations on 
PBS television program _Wild America_ with Marty Stouffer.) Black sexual 
behavior is often repellent to White women.

With good wishes to all,

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Scott MacEachern wrote:
> 
> thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:
> 
> > You are correct in the fact that there is no "single" indentical
> >Aryan culture. But, the cultures created by these people are similar,
> >distinctly European and apart from the cultures created in the Orient
> >or Black Africa.
> 
> Where do you fit Armenian? Syrian? Spanish (did Iberia become
> 'African' for a few hundred years and then change back)? Afghan?
> Hunnish? Amhara? Berber? Arabic? Basque? Hsiung-nu? Ottoman? Shall we
> continue?
> 


Your examples aren't relevant to the question of the existence of 
European culture. Non-Western people I have met all happily acknowledge 
the existence of the culture of the Occident, and view it, quite 
correctly, as a racial/cultural whole.

Some of the cultures you mentioned are the creations of peoples partially 
of European stock, others entirely so. My position is that every people 
which _considers itself to be a people_ deserves self-determination and 
independence. This is now denied to White Americans, who are required by 
unconstitutional laws to share their land and their labor with others.



> >Europe. He asserts that adaptation to life during the Ice Ages
> >produced a more select stock of Huminoid which needed more advanced
> >cognitive abilities to survive. He also asserts that group behavior
> >was modified to allow groups to work together more effectively. Any
> >weak or unstable member of the group was weeded out by the extreme
> >environment. Interesting reading.
> 
> This is the same bullshit that Rushton uses. There's no particular
> evidence that, say, a sub-Arctic environment is more 'extreme' than a
> tropical desert or tropical rain-forest. One way, you get
> hyperthermia, the other way hypothermia. Both cases, you get all sorts
> of problems and opportunities. Again, if that was all there was to it,
> classic West European Neanderthals would be the only hominids on the
> planet.
> ...


Let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that the "Out of Africa" model 
of human origins is correct. It would then be reasonable to suppose that 
humans who had travelled the greatest distance from their putative point 
of origin, Africa, and who had therefore been exposed to a wider variety 
of environments and a greater number of perils, might be more highly 
evolved than those who stayed behind.

That this idea is generally true can be seen in the fact that when 
Eurasian species are placed (usually through introduction by man, 
something I deplore) in competition with American or Australian species 
occupying the same ecological niche, the Eurasian species (that is, the 
one which has had the greatest variety of environments -- the largest 
continent -- as its home) usually prospers at the expense of the others.

With all good wishes,

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Hummer wrote:
> ...
> The very
> best way to show everyone how much superior your point of view and information
> is would be to show us all how easily you can solve the problem you present and
> how much better off we would all be once you had done so.  Just tell us what
> you propose should be done about it and then everyone can start to decide
> whether or not the solution you propose is something that fits into the ideas
> of freedom and justice that they hold.  Maybe everyone would feel that your
> proposed solution is just fine, harms no one, and so would just think "OK, to
> each his own".


Your questions are fair ones. I will attempt to answer them.



>      What part of the existing system keeps you from living the way you want to
> ?


The main problem is this: the takeover of the American government by 
those who have successfully converted it from an instrument of the 
American people into an instrument of the internationalists who wish to 
impose world government upon us. Some call this world 
government-in-the-making "the New World Order."

The internationalists have their disagreements of course, they have their 
Marxist wing and their finance-capital wing, but they are united in their 
ideal of world government and an end to national sovereignty. They see 
national sovereignty (and the related idea of the nation as a _biological 
entity_) as an impediment to the free flow of labor and capital to 
maximize profits, and a stumbling-block to levelling schemes by which 
some attempt to impose "equality" on their betters.

These forces have been building for more than a century, but they did not 
get their dirty paws on the levers of power in this country until 1933, 
with the accession to power of the malodorous traitor Franklin Roosevelt 
and his appalling gang of Communists, criminals, and alien subversives.

Joseph McCarthy made a last-ditch effort to expose the subversion; but he 
was defeated, his reputation was sullied by the media liars, and since 
then there has been no effective opposition to the internationalists from 
within the United States government.

See

http://www.natvan.com/NATVAN/MCCART.HTML

and

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/ww.htm

and

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/ww2.htm

for further information.

The Old America received another blow when the regime in Washington, in 
cooperation with Communist operatives like "Martin Luther King" (see 
http://www.natvan.com/ADV/ADV011594.HTML) changed the fundamental idea of 
America from a nation of free men of the stock of Europe (the idea held 
by the founding fathers) to a "nation" composed of anyone who happened to 
be standing on the correct side of an artificial line drawn on a map.

The criminals in Washington repealed, sometimes even without benefit or 
pretense of legislation, all the laws which protected the White gene pool 
in this country, including immigration laws, anti-miscegenation statutes, 
and many other things.

Biological kinship is the great bond that gives birth to nations, and 
helps them survive when persecuted by tyrants. By rewriting the 
definition of "American" so that biological kinship (race) was no longer 
a factor, the elite was able to engineer an invasion of aliens who would 
allow an unending "balance of power" game in which the founding American 
stock would always lose. They also created and promoted a new moral 
paradigm in which to defend the survival of the White race is defined as 
the ultimate in "evil" and advocacy of racial equality and mixing is 
defined as the ultimate in "good." Such a notion would have been 
considered absolutely spurious and noxious by America's founding fathers.

A nation composed of a unified people with similar values, one language, 
and one culture is unlikely to be snookered into "world government" or 
into giving up its hard-won rights. A "nation" composed of fifteen or 
fifty different nationalities, as many languages and cultures, and unable 
to agree on what constitutes right and wrong in even the simplest cases, 
is unlikely to coalesce into an effective force for any purpose -- except 
maybe self-destruction. The internationalists were smart enough to know 
that in 1933, and began their once-subtle (but no longer so) program to 
bring "diversity" to America.


>  Why is it important to control how others interact with one another in order
> for you to be happy ?


My ideal is a far more limited government than we endure today, so it is 
hardly fair to state that I want to control how others interact. I would 
decriminalize the right of free association.


>  How does respecting the rights of others limit your
> rights ?


I advocate racial separatism. Every man and woman has a right to live in 
a country of his own people, run by his own people, and for his own 
people; with full self-determination and independence for that people.

That, of course, also means freedom and self-determination for other 
races than my own.

I further advocate that those who want to stay with multiracialism be 
allowed their own state where they may continue indulging in their 
terminal obsession without killing or infecting my children.


>  What country has existed in history that is closer to your ideals
> than the US ?  


A few European and European-derived countries come close, but not 
consistently so; though I would say that, left to themselves, Europeans 
tend to devise societies relatively congenial to Europeans; Africans to 
Africans, and so on.

On the whole, I prefer the Old America, before she was destroyed by the 
"liberals" and their employers. I would amend the Constitution, though, 
to render the present ongoing subversion impossible in the future.


> The militia movement began as a movement to solve perceived
> problems and to defend against an overbearing government.  Would the solution
> you propose require major changes in the government and would those changes
> make the government more or less overbearing ?


Racial disagreements and conflicts and parasitism fill our newspapers 
>from  front to back every day, and are the driving force behind much 
unconstitutional government action. By allowing each race its own 
government, governmental intrusion into our lives would decrease overall, 
especially considering the fact that the European race invented and seems 
particularly skilled at self-government. Non-Whites, with vanishingly 
small exceptions, have existed in perpetual tyranny.


>  You have gone to great lengths
> in several posts to let us all know that you see race as a major problem.  How
> about telling us in the same amount of detail about your proposed solution ?
> 
>         Hummer
> ...


I believe I have done that. My first action would be to re-legalize 
freedom of association in employment, education, neighborhoods, and 
businesses. Thus would the races peacefully re-segregate themselves, 
voluntarily, as they do everywhere they still can legally today, such as 
in school lunchrooms.

For those who have attempted to submerge our race and nation in their New 
World Order, I call for a fair trial.

With all good wishes,

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PGISSource wrote:
> 
> In article <845103791$9317@atype.com>, "Ken P."  writes:
> 
> >Dogs are Canis familiaris.  Wolves are C.
> >lupus of northern regions, or C. rufus or C. niger of
> >southwestern North America.  All are different species.
> 
> No ... dogs and wolves have come to be scientifically regarded by many
> (and like much in science, not by all) as the same species distinguished
> only by geographic or reproductive isolation. It will take a tad longer
> for the taxonomic names, though, to be universally agreed upon and
> changed. Until then, it remains a confusing issue. Keep in mind that with
> groups like the Humane Society arguing that they are distinctly different
> species in order to eliminate hybrid breeding (thus also furthering the
> economic goals of their professional breeder "sponsors") confusion in the
> eye of the public will be politically desired on their part for as long as
> possible.
> 
> That aside, you might make a claim for a nominal subspecies status on the
> order of Canis lupus lupus, Canis lupus rufus, Canis lupus
> familiaris/domesticas, or such based on functional reproductive isolation.
> The California Least Tern and Gulf Coast Least Tern, for example, were
> distinguished as different subspecies using that type of logic ... even
> though they were apparently near identical in genetics (and now in terms
> of endangerment). Even there, though, politics often is as important as
> biology in how some groupings occur. At the height of the endangerment
> debate, only browni (California) was endangered so folks argued that they
> were the same so that coastal development would not be hindered. Now that
> both groups are impacted, many of the same folks want them seen as
> separate subspecies so that what happens in California won't impact the
> Gulf region and vice versa. Politics, Ken, politics.
> 
> Just to make life more interesting on the topic, though, we may also need
> to combine coyotes in with the wolf/dog debate since interbreeding of the
> Red Wolf and coyote (not to mention feral dogs and coyotes) has become
> quite a problem thus indicating a very close genetic match there too. It
> will be interesting to see what politics shakes out of that bit of
> zoological trivia!
> 
> But we really are starting to drift into a bit much of an
> alt.biology.taxonomic debate here rather than the more proper
> militia-related topics ... the only real tie apparently being the politics
> of subspecification, not the biological reality. Ah ... but it was -also-
> politics not biology that was the basis for trying to divide people by
> sub-species, wasn't it? Hmmmmm ....
> 
> Mr. Wizard


Yours is one of the very few rational entries in this debate; and I am 
glad to see that you acknowledge that scientists 1) disagree on species 
and subspecies boundaries at times, and 2) often are politically 
motivated or pressured when making such decisions.

Having said that, I acknowledge that there is debate on the subspecific 
division of humans, and that sheer numbers probably favor the "we're all 
one race" side. But considering the political taboos now operant, that is 
hardly surprising.

But there is no doubt that by using exactly the same standards that have 
been used to divide other species into subspecies, man would also be so 
subdivided into several geographic varieties.

And it is also indisputable that the words race, variety, and subspecies 
are synonyms in the present context.

The reality is that humans, like most organisms, are in the process of 
speciation. But unlike most organisms, we are aware of it and can do 
something about it.

The only real question here, which transcends politics, is: Should we 
permit/encourage this process of speciation to continue, or should we 
stop it?

Since sovereign nations, free of the chains of multinational empires or 
world government, are the entities through which the speciation process 
expresses itself; and since the militias are potentially a factor in 
reclaiming American sovereignty; the question is quite appropriate here.

With happy October wishes,

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Scott MacEachern wrote:
> ...
> 
> >http://www.cptigers.org/subspec1.html
> 
> Just out of curiousity, have _you_ read this, especially the paragraph
> that says...
> 
> >The most important phrase in this definition is inhabiting a geographical subdivision of the range of that species .... As Mayr says, 
No
> >non-arbitrary criterion is available to define the subspecies, nor is the subspecies a unit of evolution except where it happens to coincide 
with a
> >geographic or other genetic isolate. To drive home this point, Mayr states that when an author reports several subspecies of one species 
from
> >the same locality, it strongly indicates an incorrect use of the term. It is apparent from this discussion that the only legitimate 
criterion for
> >dividing species into subspecies is geographical separation. Taxonomists have therefore applied very little division into subspecies 
to those
> >species that have significant proclivities to wander and migrate, such as migratory birds, whales, and humans.
> 
> Kind of blows what you've written out of the water, doesn't it?
> 
> Scott...


Of course I read the entire article, including the extract you cite 
above. Mayr's opinion is an important one, though far from the only one, 
in the ongoing scientific debate on subspecific classification.

My purpose in citing that excellent web page (with which I am not 
associated in any way) and the others was merely to bring the debate here 
to a higher level than "you're a nazi," and also to encourage the reader 
to gain an understanding of exactly how scientists have made these 
sometimes difficult decisions, and why they sometimes disagree.

It is my contention that, using precisely the same criteria that have 
been and are used in the cases of other species, man would be divided 
into several subspecies. (This has in fact been done, by Linnaeus and 
Coon and Baker, among others.) I believe that a full understanding of the 
cited works lends credence to my thesis.

With all good wishes,

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Mike Chapman wrote:
> 
> This Ian is obviously not only a total moron, but paranoid/delusional.
> How strange to find this in juxtaposition with violent racism and
> national socialism.  Well, er, anyway, we need to implement the common
> law ban - don't respond any more.  Let every thread die.
> 
> I suspect he'll just go away.  If not, we can ban him and his friends
> by the charter.
> 
> These matters really are beneath discussion, he might as well be
> flooding the newsgroup with any other sort of putrid garbage or pure
> noise.
> 
> If you must respond to Ian or the other racists, let me suggest doing
> a short, concise form-letter response.
> 
> " is obviously a danger to himself and society.  Allowing
> him to post here lets us keep tabs on his mental state.  Please do not
> respond to , and certainly do not taunt him.
> 
> "Please see  for information on what you can do to combat racial
> hatred and National Socialism."
> 
> Of course, Arlin could send similar messages about me, and I could
> reciprocate.  Hell we can all go to auto-posting brief demonizations
> of each other.  Anyway...
> ----...


A more perfect admission that Mr. Chapman has lost the debate cannot be 
imagined.

With happy October wishes,

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John C. Stephens III wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised at you people.  All the talk about arming against
> hypothetical and probably imaginary evil conspiracies, but when the
> real thing comes along, you want to push them out of sight.  I've got a
> better suggestion.  Every time one of these bozos raises his pointy
> little head, DUMP ON HIM.  And that means everybody.  Pros, antis,
> lurkers and givashits.
> 
> This will accomplish three things, all good:
> 
> 1.  It will provide documentary evidence that Militias are NOT nazis.
> 
> 2.  It will provide common ground between the pro and anti factions on
> this newsgroup, hopefully leading to more civilized behavior.
> 
> 3.  If by chance there are people reading this group who are ignorant
> enough to buy off on nazi propaganda, this will provide a last chance
> to educate themselves.
> 
> Agreed, their crap does make tedious reading.  But this newsgroup is
> supposed to be about defending liberty.  In the war against Evil, the
> battles don't come any easier than this.
> 
> John

It is indeed curious that a self-described advocate of "civilized 
behavior" advocates "dumping on" anyone accused of being a "nazi," a term 
which is conveniently left undefined so that it may be applied at will.

Of course "nazis" includes anyone who supports the racial views of the 
founding fathers of the United States of America. And "evil" consists of 
favoring the continued survival of the European race.

Most readers will see Mr. Stephens' agitation for what it is. It's a 
wonderful world.

With all good wishes,

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AHABIZ wrote:
> 
> In article <845318884$22542@atype.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
>  writes:
> ...
> 
> > Until a mostly-Red Supreme Court struck down our ancient laws on
> >the subject in the last few decades (they were never repudiated by the
> >people), America was no exception.
> 
>  I take it you missed the entire time period from 1963 to 1975 when the
> American people did in fact repudiate the archaic racist nonsense which
> had remained in law up to that time?
> 


Please elucidate for me, with citations, exactly when the American people 
were ever asked about or gave their support to 1) the gutting of our 
immigration laws, 2) the repeal of the anti-miscegenation and anti-sodomy 
statutes, and 3) the forced integration of neighborhoods and schools.

I will ignore, for now, your gross insults against my person (which do 
not constitute an argument for or against my or any position, of course) 
except to note that getting so emotional, as you have done, is probably 
not what your employers had in mind.

With pleasant Autumn wishes,

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The "partially disabled" person, who has no visible means of support 
except "odd jobs" "here and there," and who has an "intelligence" 
background, who somehow has the spare time to "educate" and steer an 
existing political movement in a certain direction which just happens to 
be favorable to the ideology of an establishment which he claims to 
oppose, and who seems to have instant access to ADL file material on his 
opponents (his postings contain the same errors)... seems to me to be 
worthy of note at the very least. These things, while not conclusive by 
themselves, do fit a certain profile.

With all good wishes,

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Bonnie Bucqueroux wrote:
> ...
> Questions:
> Whites are not the original inhabitants, or "race", in North America. Therefore,
> how can you lay claim to an all-white US of A? The Indians weren't given the
> option of race-purification. 


I don't lay claim to the entire territory of the United States; I merely 
ask that the European race must have an exclusive territory if it is to 
survive. Since Europeans are largely responsible for America as we know 
her, and since White Americans are a distinct people with a culture of 
their own, I think we deserve a viable portion of North America.

Having said that, I also advocate self-determination for Amerinds and 
even for race-mixers. They deserve self-determination, too.


> Plus, how can you deny the re-entry, legal or not,
> of Mexicans into the Southwest, their original stomping grounds? 


I would prefer to see negotiations rather than invasions.


> And lastly:
> Is a country not a country if it has more than one race? This is an anal
> fixation similiar to that of using plates with food compartments on them, so
> that the food won't mix and therefore be kept "pure".


All nations are, at least at their beginnings, the political expression 
of a particular people. Some grow to become multiracial, multicultural 
empires, as did Rome, the Soviet Union, and India. All such constructs 
eventually self-destruct and kinship-based nations take their place.

With all good wishes,

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Kaa Byington wrote:
> 
> Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
> >...
> >
> >You write in broad, inaccurate brushstrokes, and seem incapable of
> >grasping the meaning of your own words. You stated:
> >
> >"the genetic differences between individuals of the same 'race' are
> >GREATER than the genetic differences between individuals of different
> >'races'"
> >
> >You did _not_ say that the genetic differences between _some_ members of
> >the same race _could be_ greater than their differences with a member of
> >another race (a true statement) -- you said they _are_ greater. Your
> >statement effectively means: "Take _any_ two White people. They will be
> >more similar, genetically, to _any_ Black than they are to each other." I
> >suspect that is not what you meant to say; but if it is, please supply a
> >quote from any geneticist which supports your view.
> >
> It is what I meant to say.
> 
> Genetecists:  Lewontin, R.C. The Apportionment of human diversity, in
> Evolutionary Biology 6:381-398  Conclusion: "Demographic structure
> (translation: division into ethnic groupings) does not imply genetic
> diversity BETWEEN populations."
> 


This is mildly interesting, but does not support the claim that Africans 
must be more similar to Europeans than Europeans are to each other, 
genetically speaking.



> McElfrsh, Vining-Forde and Balazs:  DNA-based Identity Testing in
> Forensic Science  BioScience  43:3 149  ". . .not only has data been
> developed on the major ethnic groups of the human population, but data
> has also been collection on populations tht are consider small and
> isolated, e.g. Australian aborigines.  The results show that for all
> populations examined thus far, there is no population that is monomorphic
> for a VNTR locus and the major allelic classes are generally the same..
> These data show that, although populations may be deomographically
> structured, there is virtually no evidence for this structuring at the
> level of VNTRs."  (VNTR = Variable Number Tandem Repeat loci= an allele
> cluster)
> 


Again, somewhat interesting and even tangentially relevant to our 
discussion, but it does not in any way support your nonsensical assertion 
that Africans must be more genetically similar to Europeans than any two 
Europeans are to each other.



> As for why the probability that two random whites are less like each
> other than a randomly chosen black, I won't bother to try.  You don't
> understand probability theory, obviously.
> 


"As for why the probability"? I can see why you "won't bother to try."

Not only can you not write clear English sentences, but you fail to 
understand what you yourself have written.

You are a perfect example of what I meant when I titled this thread 
"Mommy Professor Drops the Ball." You got the PC message right -- but 
almost everything else wrong.



> Literally hundreds of journal articles:
> 
> American Journal of Human Genetics
> Genetics
> Nature
> Science
> Heredity
> Human Biology
> Journal of Forensic Science
> Genomics
> Journal of Molecular Biology
> 
> To name a few. . .
> ...


The titles of these journals are endlessly fascinating, of course, but 
they do not constitute an argument for your nonsensical statement about 
genetics. Neither do any of your poorly transcribed quotations provide an 
iota of support for your absurd contention.

I again challenge you to provide a single quotation from a reputable 
source which validates your absurd claim.




> >The high forehead, light skin, and noble cast of features associated with
> >some groups, for example, are not so much valued for themselves but for
> >what they tell the observer about the other, invisible, characteristics
> >that usually accompany them. The red feathers and crest of the cardinal
> >do not, of course, _determine_ its behavior; but their presence tells us
> >much about the bird's genetic inheritance -- and that _does_ tell us a
> >great deal about its behavior.
> 
> Again, do you know what you said here?  I certainly don't. What does the
> crest of a cardinal tell you about his genetic inheritance?  What does
> that in turn tell you about his behavior.
> ...


The red crest is one method by which you may ascertain that the creature 
is a cardinal. Once you know he is a cardinal, you know a great deal 
about him indeed. You know his mating habits, his diet, his range, his 
migratory tendencies if any, his average lifespan, the diseases he is 
susceptible to, and a thousand other things.

The rest of your post consisted mainly of claims that those who agree 
with me are sexually frustrated "nazis" with acne who spout "gibberish"; 
claims which illustrate that you have, perhaps unwittingly, embraced the 
demonization and dehumanization of a group -- something you claim to 
abhor. The group in question, of course, is White people who want their 
people to survive.

With happy Autumn wishes,

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Delores Niedrich wrote:
> 
> What you say about Bob Dole being the last of his generation is correct.
> 
> However, there is no indication that the new politicians will be so
> abruptly liberal as you would like. Liberalism has brought America to the
> brink of bankruptcy. When the baby boomers reach retirement, or shortly
> sooner, the liberal ball of wax will reap its whirlwind.
> 
> When the bad economic times come, there is every likelihood that the
> liberal charade will be over once and for all. Both the Republican and
> Democratic Parties are responsible for what has been done to destroy our
> nation.
> 
> In the future, I foresee the end of immigration, integration, and
> pandering to criminals. Every time has its time, and YOUR time is also
> coming to an end. Usually, history has a way of overturning every
> civilization, the result of bad decisions, such as the decision to spend
> our country into the ground.
> 
> Your message here points out the changing guard of the old timers, but it
> doesn't point that the same thing is building up for your own little
> two-bit heroes, as well.
> 
> Liberalism has failed. Integration has failed. Immigration has failed. The
> churches have failed. What is new will be different. Failures are cast
> aside. Always.
> ...


Very well said. I would only add that what is called "liberalism" has 
another weakness or two.

For one, "liberalism" is a bizarre accretion of various unrelated 
lunacies, patched together over many decades in a purely pragmatic effort 
to keep the boobs happy about their dispossession.

As such, it has no organic unity or instinctual basis, and will survive 
about as long as a house of straw in a hurricane once it loses its powers 
to brainwash and to punish. These it will surely lose soon.

The economic denouement of "liberalism" is coming, in which, if we are 
lucky, the trading stamps that pass for money today will no longer be 
able to buy the acquiescence and labor of the surviving Americans, and 
healthier and more natural values will then be able to reassert 
themselves.

Of course, certain revered religious writings also consist of a diverse, 
strange, and inconsistent patchwork. But the "meaning" of these writings 
evolves as quickly as fruit flies, they have been constantly 
reinterpreted over the generations, and they are not attached to one 
particular political agenda. So they will probably continue to live on 
and on despite their multiform irrationality.

I should add in passing that "liberalism" is primarily a mental state 
peculiar to White people. No non-White nation, to my knowledge, has ever 
been stupid enough to import and subsidize its natural enemies; and I 
believe that all adherence of our domestic enemies to "liberalism" is 
merely a form of anti-White solidarity and not due to any mental defects 
on the part of the non-Whites. The defects which manifest themselves as 
"liberalism" are virtually limited to Whites.

Secondly, if "liberalism" survives long enough, it will probably act as a 
kind of biological selection mechanism.

Groups which promote and practice self-sterilizing behavior, such as 
homosexual sodomy, the slaying of healthy children in the womb, 
childlessness among women as an ideal, interracial mating, adoption of 
aliens as a replacement for bearing children, sexual relations as a 
consequence-free recreation, et cetera, are in fact ensuring that each 
passing generation will contain fewer and fewer of the genes which cause 
or allow such mental aberrations to take hold.

They can therefore increase their numbers only, like the perverts, by 
recruiting; and by contaminating the minds of the young through the 
"education" system they captured decades ago. But since they are now 
committed to not only making America into a multiracial feeding and 
breeding zone, but also to extending that insanity worldwide, they have 
now guaranteed their own failure. By attempting the impossible -- no 
multiracial empire has ever succeeded in the long term and monoracial 
kinship-based states tend to emerge from the ashes -- they are ensuring 
that, at least in some areas, they will eventually lose the power to 
indoctrinate and to recruit.

So we can confidently look forward to a future in which White "liberals" 
no longer exist. The real question is whether or not they will take the 
rest of us with them when their self-hatred and death-wish reach their 
inevitable, inescapable, and permanent conclusion.

The brightest hope we have is that, when stronger hands arrive in North 
America to pick up the pieces, they will be of our race, and that they 
will be sagacious enough to prevent the cycle from repeating.

With my very best wishes,

-- 


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Bob Casanova wrote:
> 
> In article <53e99s$9i1@news.usaor.net>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
....
> 
>  Everybody
> >knows what a White person is and how to identify one. It's the same with any
> >other race.
> 
> Really? How would you classify, say, an inhabitant of India? How about someone
> from Tahiti? Sudan? New Orleans? (The former) Yugoslavia?...


Of course, the fact that there is a dispute about the boundary of the 
Republic of Argentina, or that the boundary of the Pacific Ocean is 
somewhat diffuse at its periphery, is not an argument that Argentina or 
the Pacific do not exist.

The operant category that has determined human history, and will in all 
likelihood continue to do so, is the identity that human groups _assign 
to themselves_. These voluntary and natural divisions are usually 
referred to as "peoples," as in the French people, the Russian people, 
the Japanese people, et cetera.

They seldom cross racial lines, and are usually a subset of race or 
subspecies. They may in fact be one cause contributing to the ongoing 
speciation of human beings.

With all good wishes,

-- 


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"Oy Vey, Vhat a Country"

by Kevin Alfred Strom

The August 5 issue of _Business Week_ carried a story about a
little tribe of stock-exchange raiders calling itself the "Scattered
Corporation." Scattered Corporation is headed by a Leon A.
Greenblatt and, if photographs are still evidence in this digital age,
both Greenblatt and his principal lieutenant appear to be members
of the shrewd minority.

Listeners may be familiar with the stock-market technique called
"selling short," which means to sell stock that you are "short of" --
in other words, selling stock that you do not have. This is
perfectly legal, and essentially constitutes a bet that the shares of
the company you have "sold short" will fall in value, at which
time you will replace the shares that you borrowed when you
sold them. The difference between your short sale proceeds and
the price at which you replace them is your profit for being so
smart.

Short selling is a risky business, since share prices go up more
often than they go down, and since there is no limit to how far
they may rise though they can obviously fall no more than 100
per cent.

These risks don't bother Greenblatt and company too much,
though, since they have special dispensation from the courts.

Greenblatt's company specializes in a special kind of raid called
"bankruptcy arbitrage," the exact details of which Greenblatt and
his henchmen regard as proprietary. According to _Business Week_, 
Greenblatt "makes a fetish of secrecy" and won't reveal how the 
strategy works.

In schematic form, though, it basically consists of selling short the 
shares of a company about to emerge from bankruptcy proceedings, and then 
replacing the shares with cheap warrants issued by the reorganized 
company.

Greenblatt is known for playing fast and loose with the law.
_Business Week_ calls it "creative interpretation of the rules." He
routinely ignores the securities regulation requiring short sellers to
deposit funds backing their sales within three days. He claims that
what he is doing is acting as a "market maker," and so he is
exempt from that rule, but that's no more valid than claiming that
you are an employee of the sanitation department if you pick up a
gum wrapper on the streetcorner. And Greenblatt gets away with
it, betting millions with other people's money, and then cashing
out without a dime of his own being risked. If you and I tried that,
it would be called "free riding" and could land us in jail. But, of
course, our name isn't Greenblatt.

And that's not all.

In 1993 Greenblatt and his fellow vultures at Scattered
Corporation had descended upon the wounded body of LTV
Incorporated, a troubled steelmaker involved in bankruptcy.
Grabbing for the main chance, Greenblatt sold short 180 million
shares of LTV. The trouble was, there were only 122 million
shares in existence, and not all of them were available for
borrowing. Greenblatt had sold 58 million more shares of LTV
than existed. In the process, he pocketed $27 million in 22 days
of "work." Nice work if you can get it.

Now, the shareholders of LTV weren't too happy about this, nor
was the Chicago Stock Exchange. Greenblatt was fined $6 million, leaving 
him only a paltry $21 million on the deal. But our hero wasn't about to 
let an injustice like that stand. Like his Pharisee forebears, he had the 
qualities of audaciousness and persistence. He finally found his prince 
in Appellate Judge Richard A. Posner, who may have shared some of 
Greenblatt's forebears. Posner overturned the fine in a Talmudically 
tortuous legal decision.

Posner stated that while Greenblatt and his raiders may be
"reckless gamblers, sharpies, wise guys, exploiters of loopholes,
even violators of the letter or spirit of the rules," they nevertheless
play a valuable role in the marketplace and can keep their ill-gotten
gains and do it again if they feel like it.

"Oy vey, vhat a country is this place America!"

Orwell, you were right. Some animals _are_ more equal than others.

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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sheldon sheps wrote:
> 
> posted to mam and emailed to fish.
> 
> Fish  wrote:
> >
> >sheldon sheps wrote:
> >>
> >> October 23, 1996.
> >> Posted to: misc.activism.militia
> >> and emailed to: David Hollingsworth, operator of moderation robot,
> >>                 misc.activism.militia
> >>
> >> Re:  Ban the Hatemongers, Really.
> >>
> >> 
> >
> >> I hereby call for the maximum  banning possible of the following, no
> >> matter where and how  they  post for:
> >>
> >> Kevin Alfred Strom  
> >> Ken P. 
> >> mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
> >> sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
> >> brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) - this is Brian Smith again
> >> knbell@top.monad.net
> >> thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
> >> cutter001@aol.com (Cutter 001)
> >>
> >> And anyone advocating in their .sig or elsewhere in their postings
> >> that individual visit the following web sites:
> >> www.natall.com
> >>



After perusing your anti-patriotic and anti-militia web page, I would 
like to say that I am very happy to be at the very top of the list of 
those you would ban.

Assuming what is very unlikely, that you do get your index of thought 
criminals, you will have just made yourself a new problem. The number of 
persons holding prohibited opinions numbers in the tens of millions and 
is growing. Many of these people have computers, and your index will grow 
exponentially if in fact you have the time to maintain it. The length of 
time that each new truth-teller will be able to post before the axe of 
censorship falls will continually increase.

You may have some chance of success if you automate the process, 
automatically killing all posts which contain certain forbidden words; 
but the end result of that would be merely to make you infamous.

In the meantime, the truth will out dspite your efforts to suppress it.

With my best wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Bill K. wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me why the BATF should not be indicted under this statute?
> 
> BTW, notice the wording "right or privilege".  Even if the courts think
> gun ownership is a privilege, the BATmen are screwed, no?
> 
> USC, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 13:
> 
>  241. Conspiracy against rights
> 
> If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any inhabitant of any
> State, Territory, or District in the free
> exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the
> United States, or because of his
> having so exercised the same; or
> 
> If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to
> prevent or hinder his free exercise
> or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured -
> 
> They shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death
> results, they shall be subject
> to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.
> ...


Of course, the BATF _should_ be indicted under this provision of the 
United States Code.

In addition, the Department of Education should be indicted for violating 
the Constitution and multiple statutes of federal law.

In addition, the National Endowment for the Arts should be indicted for 
violating the Constitution and multiple statutes of federal law.

In addition, the current occupants of the White House should be indicted 
for violating the Constitution and multiple statutes of federal law.

In addition, the Internal Revenue Service should be indicted for 
violations of the Constitution and multiple statutes of federal law.

In addition, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission should be 
indicted for violations of the cited statute, the Constitution, and 
multiple statutes of federal law.

In addition, Clinton's Justice Department should be indicted for 
violations of the cited statute, the Constitution, and multiple statutes 
of federal law.

Need I go on?

The power structure in this country routinely, regularly, and knowingly 
violates not only our ancient and legitimate laws, but even their own 
edicts whenever it suits their purposes. Since they control the mass 
media, the courts, and the law enforcement apparatus, with only trivial 
exceptions -- and since the boobs are too busy with moronic ball games, 
porno CD-ROMs, or the equivalent -- they get away with it.

With best wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Nate wrote:
> ...
> 
> Please define modern advancement or the need for it in an area where one
> could live harmoniously with nature.  This harmony is diametrically
> opposed to the course set for the destruction (modern advancement) of
> nature (ozone layer depletion, pollution, deforestation, etc.).  Has
> this modern advanced society done anything more in the long term than
> assure its own demise through its rape of nature in the name of modern
> advancement?  I know, your high level genes will solve the problem soon.


No one questions that high intelligence can often cause as many problems 
as it solves. But advance we have, and Nature has fitted us to touch the 
stars and raise our lives at least an inch or two above the savagery of 
Africa. "Equalizing" our genes with those of Africans may well bring us 
down that crucial inch, and make us infinitely further from the stars.

Speaking of Africa, I hear that in Leopoldville, the grand hotels built 
by the Belgians are crumbling into dust and occupied by squatters both 
animal and arguably human, and the wide boulevards are somewhat spoiled 
by trees erupting from the concrete.

The Africans are returning to their natural "harmony," and it is a 
different harmony indeed from that which obtains in Helsinki or Venice.



> 
> Why do so many people ride on the coat-tails of brilliant white people?
> After all, there is one and two standard deviations under YOUR heralded
> mean.  Half of you fall on the righ side of the mean.  That's
> mathematically inevitable.


Of course, the definition of White utilized by the testers may be 
slightly more inclusive than the traditional one, but your statement is 
essentially correct.

The crucial fact is that even a slight upward shift in the curve means 
vastly greater numbers of geniuses, and greatly reduced numbers of the 
feeble-minded. That is the real significance of the IQ difference between 
the races, and the cause of the dramatically different societies they 
create for themselves.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> ...
> 
> I agree! Let's find some witches and burn them!
> ...and let's not, under any circumstances, strive to love our neighbors as
> ourselves.... our multicultural neighbors. Let's round them up
> and kill them, eh?
> ...


Mr. McVay, lacking an argument as usual, was the first and only person to 
suggest: "Let's round them up and kill them, eh?"

As you browse the thread in DejaNews or on your newsreader, remember 
that -- for it is quite easy to lose track of who said it when preceded 
by a deep flurry of quotation carets.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Rome began as a unified ethnic state, renowned for its martial skills, 
strict morality, and unique religion.

Rome ended as a polyglot multicultural dung heap, ruled by Syrians and 
other former slaves, defended by paid killers so that the dessicated 
remains of the aristocracy could stay at home and play with their 
catamites, and in which the practice of the original Roman religion was 
discouraged where it was not forbidden or forgotten.

But, when the final collapse came, at least the conquerers of Rome were 
men of our race who were able over long centuries to reconstitute a new 
and healthier nation.

America may not be so lucky.

With good wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR wrote:
> ...
> 
> The problem is you Nazis are moral and intellectual excrement.  You've
> always been moral and intellectual excrement and you will never be
> anything other than moral and intellectual excrement....


Since no one on this newsgroup, to my knowledge, is a member of any 
organization calling itself "nazi," and since no alternative 
explantion has been offered, we must interpret the term "nazi" as used by 
Mr. Vanderboegh by its context.

It is used, as far as I have been able to determine, as a smear word to 
denigrate any and all White people who favor the survival of their race, 
no matter what their political persuasion.

By such a standard, Charles Lindbergh, Theodore Roosevelt, Alexander 
Graham Bell, Edgar Poe, Henry Ford, Henry Fairfield Osborne, George 
Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Francis Scott Key, James Madison, James 
Monroe, Abraham Lincoln, among many others, would all also be "nazis."

In fact, by the standards used by Mr. Vanderboegh, virtually every framer 
of the Constitution of the United States would be a "nazi."

Further, the "interpretation" of the Constitution voided upon this 
newsgroup by Vanderboegh and his co-conspirators is nearly identical to 
the "interpretation" promulgated by the Warren Supreme Court and its 
heirs, and is the exact opposite of the ideas of the founders of this 
Republic.

Whether Vanderboegh himself knows this or not it is impossible to say. He 
may just be a fool with a few guns and a big mouth who would make violent 
threats at whomever or whatever he was taught was "bad" in our largely 
Red public schools; or he may be something else entirely. In either case, 
the practical effect is the same.

With happy October wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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AHABIZ wrote:
> 
> In article <846401648$17277@atype.com>, BurningMan@The.Door (The Burning
> Man) writes:
> 
> >Dave Kuehne  wrote:
> >
> >ADL: MILITIAS TAKE AIM AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
> 
> Yo! Burning! did you notice how dated this material is?  y'know other than
> the usual deesblather, I don't think I've seen anything this rabidly
> antimilitia in a while now...I wonder why?
> 
> Arlin Adams


When it comes to the Jewish establishment, which is typified by the 
"ADL," the operant factor in their hatred of the militias is the same one 
that motivates their love for "gun control" legislation: fear of an armed 
and racially homogeneous population.

They feel much more secure among a disarmed -- and "diverse" and 
disunited -- people. They expend huge sums in pursuance of both aims.

Happy Internetting,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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se127pp wrote:
> ...
> 
> On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Brian Smith wrote:
> 
> > se127pp  wrote:
> >
> > >On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> > >> In article <846104625$23565@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Sorry Lissa!  Jews are not "doing better" than me in media.  JEWS
> > >> >CONTROL THE MEDIA!!   And you haven't REFUTED that one bit, NOR CAN
> > >> >YOU!!  All you are doing is just CONFIRMING that Jews control the
> > >> >media!  Jewish control of the media is TOTALLY incompatible with White
> > >> >survival.
> > >>
> > >> You have yet to prove your case, Mr. Smith. It is easy to do,
> > >> of course - all you have to do is answer a few simple
> > >> questions:
> > >>
> > >>    How many newspaper publishers are there in North America?
> >
> > Only 412 (25 per cent) of the 1,640 publications are independently
> > owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only 121 of the
> > total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only
> > a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs
> > outside their own communities; the rest must depend on these few for
> > all of their national and international news.
> 
> Again, it seems, my message is obscured; my response to Mr. McVay was that
> to look at the newspaper ownership during the time of the Warren supreme
> court, the Johnson administration, the civil rights marches and black
> rioting of the 1960s. The ownership was quite different and readership
> much greater, with a more diverse offering than today. I don't have the
> figures, but polls indicate that in the past, a much smaller percent of
> the public got its news from TV than newspapers.


The illiterati were a _smaller_ percentage of the population in 1960 
perhaps, but still probably a plurality. 

The television and radio networks, ABC, CBS, and NBC were at that time 
still run by their founders: Goldenson, Paley, and Sarnoff -- all Jews.

The New York Times, Washington Post, and their subsidiary publications 
were also by that time in Jewish hands.

Jewish author Benjamin Freedman admitted at the time that the Jews held a 
controlling influence over the news media.

And that is to say nothing of Hollywood, whose Jewishness is so well 
known that the Jews seldom attempt to deny it.


> Jewish media control as
> you define it has actually coincided with the greatest conservative swing
> this country has had (1980-1994)....


Once the "civil rights" revolution was complete, and the anti-White 
paradigm established in law as well as in the money/power structure of 
this country, why shouldn't they become more "conservative" and preserve 
their gains? Once you've made your pile in the futures markets, you'd be 
stupid to bet it all on one more copper play. You'd buy General Electric 
and Chevron shares.

Such a conservatism is "conservative" only in the sense that Stalinists 
are now called by that name in Russia today.

With my best wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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Dear Mr. Wizard:

I had thought that you were one of the more rational members of this 
newsgroup, which I realize may not be a very strong statement in your 
favor, though it still has _some_ significance.

But now you are wailing about how Mr. McKinney (!) is somehow a 
Communist. Please give us the quotes from Mr. McKinney, with verifiable 
citations, to support what seems to me to be an extremely unlikely claim.

Everything I have ever read of Mr. McKinney's indicates quite the 
opposite.

With my best wishes,

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Kevin Alfred Strom

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After reading the documented evidence in this thread, showing beyond any 
peradventure of doubt that the Bolshevik revolution was an operation of 
the Jewish subversive apparatus, AHABIZ and his political ally Ken 
McVeigh (who imagines himself the mystagogue of alt.revisionism) respond 
with one-liner insults somewhat lower in creativity and intelligence than 
that which prevails in the third grade.

McVay and Arlin clearly have a low opinion of the intelligence of the 
average reader, as their "debating" strategy is that of the crude 
heckler, a technique which does appeal to a certain kind of mind. But the 
individuals that I wish to address, the existence of which my daily 
e-mail confirms, will only smile at the antics of this cozy pair.

With good wishes to all,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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TroyLaws wrote:
> 
> The impression that I have gotten from the Media is that most militia
> groups are composed of covert White supremacists ( here I use
> the Media's interpretation of the word "supremacists", which
> lumps together both White Nationalists - those Whites who seek
> a separate nation for themselves - and true White supremacists
> who seek to rule over other peoples while still living in the same
> nation as their subject races.)
> 
> I can see from this newsgroup, however, that my Media-acquired
> opinions were wrong. There are really only 2 types of militias:
> multiracial, and White Nationalist. ( The White supremacists don't
> need a militia because they are already in power.)
> 
> It is the goals and motives of the multiracial militias which intrigue
> me the most, because those of the White Nationalists are self-
> evident.
> 
> For example: both types of militias believe that there is a NWO, yet
> the multiracial militia spokesmen clearly harbor great hatred for the
> White Nationalists, perhaps even more than they do for the NWO!
> But if they both have the same enemy, why is this so? Why can't they
> cooperate just long enough to remove their common enemy from
> power before they then go their separate ways?
> 
> Look: whether the multiracial militia's definition of the NWO is
> correct, or the White Nationalist's is, things here in America will
> only keep getting worse until a breaking point is eventually reached.
> 
> Perhaps Bill Clinton's re-election will be the impetus needed to bring
> the two militias together for a common purpose.


Excellent questions.

There is no reason at all for the militia members attracted to the 
terminal philosophy of multiracialism to feel threatened by those with 
racialist views, such as myself.

After all, achieving freedom from faceless world government entities and 
their alien agendas motivates sincere parties on both sides. A freedom 
>from  the international empire of our rulers _should_ allow separatists of 
all stripes -- those with differing views from our current rulers and 
>from  each other -- the freedom to build their own societies. It is my 
hope that one of those societies will embody the values of the Old 
America, while avoiding the mistakes that led to our nation's current 
decline.

I feel reasonably certain that the drooling hatred I have encountered 
>from  Vanderboegh and Adams, among others, on this newsgroup, and the 
fantastic lies they have invented or repeated about anyone who dares to 
question the ADL line on race, is not typical of militia members.

With all good wishes,

-- 


Kevin Alfred Strom

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                The Finest in European Art:
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