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"Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
> news:catamont-CDD8AE.06004831082007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> In article <7p6dnbKQaK6HQ0rbnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> "Benjamin Cramer"  wrote:
>>
>>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>>> news:catamont-F4C90E.23130630082007@news-40.giganews.com...
>>> > In article ,
>>> > "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:39:16 -0500
>>> >> Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > "One of my friends [sic[ uncle." Great research skills you have
>>> >> > there, Baby.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I LIVED in Amsterdam. Your "friends uncle" is an idiot, just like 
>>> >> > you!
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Fist, you're a lying cunt!
>>> >
>>> > Do you kiss your Mother with that mouth, Baby?
>>> >
>>> > I never said your "friends [sic] uncle" was a liar. I said he is an
>>> > IDIOT, just like you.
>>> >
>>> > [Little Baby's unattributed travel guide snipped]
>>> >
>>> > Too bad you'll never get there to see for yourself. A whiny sucky baby
>>> > who thinks he knows more about running a business than the majority of
>>> > businesspeople in the US, steals his Mommy's liquor, and is so
>>> > unutterably stupid wo't ever have the kind of money it takes to 
>>> > travel.
>>> > You'll spend your pathetic little life watching "Youtube."
>>>
>>> You stinky yids must spend a considerable time watching youtube, fat 
>>> slag.
>>>
>>> ALL the video clips critical of the stinky yids I had in my youtube
>>> favourites folder, have disappeared.
>>>
>>> Probably done by that anti-free speech bunch of cunts, CAMERA (read 
>>> Hasbara
>>> Project)
>>
>> Uh huh. Those mean old Jews are ruining your YouTube viewing, aren't
>> they?
>
> They are indeed, fat slag. They are indeed.
>

Sara had only seen Amsterdam through the window, until she got her passport 
back. 



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Subject: The burning of the Talmud occurs every two or three centuries
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 The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion
Oxford University Press 1997

The burning of the Talmud occurs every two or three centuries

The Burning of the Talmud.   In the year 1240, the apostate Nicholas Donin
laid a charge before the authorities in Northern France that the Talmud
contained blasphemies against Jesus.  The Jews were compelled to surrender
their copies of the Talmud pending clarification of the charge;  this took
the form  of the Disputation of Paris, at the end of which Louis IX ordered
that all copies of the Talmud be confiscated and burned.   Twenty-four
cartloads were consigned to the flames in 1242.  The occasion was
commemorated in R. Me'ir ben Barukh of Rothernburg's dirge Sha'ali Serufah
be-'Esh, which was subsequently included in the dirge of the Ashkenazi rite
recited on 9 Av.

The precedent of 1242 was followed in later centuries; instances of Talmud
burning are recorded in Italy, Poland, and elsewhere.  After 1242 the popes
continued to advocate burning the Talmud. In general, although censored, the
Talmud was not burned on a large scale until a renewed order in 1552 by Pope
Julius III led to a big bonfire in Rome (commemorated thereafter by an
annual fast among the Jews of Rome), followed by many others in Italy under
the instructions of the Inquisition.  It was reported that in Venice over a
thousand copies of the Talmud and other sacred literature were burned.   The
last such public burning was held in Kamieniec-Podolski in Poland in 1757,
when a thousand copies were put into a pit and burned following a
disputation between the Jews and the Frankists (see Frank, Ya'aqov), who
played a leading role in hunting down copies of the Talmud for incineration.




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>
>
> He hasn't shown up in a while.Vacation?
>
>
> Michael Ragland
>

Mafia hit 



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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> order wrote:
>> If Germans convert to Judaism, would the Jews leave them alone?
>
> Nice dream, eh?
> Jews should all move to Israel!
> They have a country now!
> JS
>
>

There is no money in ISRAEL. Jews are cheap. they won't buy anything. No 
market, no demand. no money. Americans in other hand are 'trained' to be 
material and will buy anything at any price. Jews like that. 



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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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> RJ11 wrote:
>>    Hi there.
>>
>>    1.  Just what did you mean when you posted the following:
>>
>>    "You keep pushing your Holohax lies, RJ!
>> One they you'll have to be responsible for it, I'll make sure of that.
>> You Jews never learn!" (Message-ID: 
>> ).
>>
>>    2.  Is your real name "Julius Szakacs"?
>>
>>    3.  Are you 50 years old?
>>
>>    4.  Did you work,  and do you work now, as a machinist?
>>
>>    5.  Do you think you have the right to threaten people
>>        whose opinions differ from yours?
>
> In the above posts, I don't see any threats!
> 2: Name is wrong
> 3: Age 50 is close
> 4: I'm not a machinist
>
> May I Google/search your ID, if that's the game you want to play?
>
> Let me remined you RJ, this is a Public forum, any insults or threats 
> posted here don't stick in US courts.
> If you don't like Da TV channel, change it.
> Same here, on the NG!
> Use Da kill file, ignoramus!
> JS

RJ11 loves doing searches on other people, but what would you expect from a 
fat slab who has no life outside virtual world of internet, Google, and his 
friends from AOL instant messenger. He probably is still a virgin and spends 
lots of time watching internet smut. The only sex he gets is cybersex. 
LOOSER with a big L 



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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:14:49 -0400


"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:28:12 -0500
>> Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> >  Protagonist  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Sara Salzman wrote:
>> > > > In article ,
>> > > >  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:39:16 -0500
>> > > >> Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> "One of my friends [sic[ uncle." Great research skills you have
>> > > >>> there, Baby.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> I LIVED in Amsterdam. Your "friends uncle" is an idiot, just
>> > > >>> like you!
>> > > >>>
>> > > >> Fist, you're a lying cunt!
>> > > >
>> > > > Do you kiss your Mother with that mouth, Baby?
>> > > >
>> > > > I never said your "friends [sic] uncle" was a liar. I said he is
>> > > > an IDIOT, just like you.
>> > > >
>> > > > [Little Baby's unattributed travel guide snipped]
>> > > >
>> > > > Too bad you'll never get there to see for yourself. A whiny sucky
>> > > > baby who thinks he knows more about running a business than the
>> > > > majority of businesspeople in the US,
>> > >
>> > > Well, of course Sara Suckman is an expert in high flying Jewish
>> > > businesses, like buying and reselling blood diamonds and screaming
>> > > to FREE Sierra Leone to have more hands in cheap raw diamonds for
>> > > the Jewish state.
>> >
>> >
>> > What the hell are you babbling about, you lunatic? I don't own any
>> > diamonds, nor have I ever. Never bought one, never sold one, never
>> > owned one.
>> >
>>
>> That tells the real story of what your husbands really thought of you
>> Fist, you ain't worth a diamond.
>
> So you APPROVE of blood-diamonds, little Baby? Most of us with things
> like consciences (look it up) would rather purchase stones mined in
> AMERICA by AMERICANS.
>


Yeah right! you cheap jew, would buy anything that is cheap and bargain even 
more and you don't care how its produced.



> Sorry to disappoint you, Baby, but this one fell flat. Very, very flat.
>
> Sara
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:18:10 -0400


"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:36:39 -0500
>> Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> >  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:28:12 -0500
>> > > Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > In article ,
>> > > >  Protagonist  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Sara Salzman wrote:
>> > > > > > In article ,
>> > > > > >  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:39:16 -0500
>> > > > > >> Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>> "One of my friends [sic[ uncle." Great research skills you
>> > > > > >>> have there, Baby.
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> I LIVED in Amsterdam. Your "friends uncle" is an idiot, just
>> > > > > >>> like you!
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >> Fist, you're a lying cunt!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Do you kiss your Mother with that mouth, Baby?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I never said your "friends [sic] uncle" was a liar. I said he
>> > > > > > is an IDIOT, just like you.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > [Little Baby's unattributed travel guide snipped]
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Too bad you'll never get there to see for yourself. A whiny
>> > > > > > sucky baby who thinks he knows more about running a business
>> > > > > > than the majority of businesspeople in the US,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, of course Sara Suckman is an expert in high flying Jewish
>> > > > > businesses, like buying and reselling blood diamonds and
>> > > > > screaming to FREE Sierra Leone to have more hands in cheap raw
>> > > > > diamonds for the Jewish state.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > What the hell are you babbling about, you lunatic? I don't own
>> > > > any diamonds, nor have I ever. Never bought one, never sold one,
>> > > > never owned one.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > That tells the real story of what your husbands really thought of
>> > > you Fist, you ain't worth a diamond.
>> >
>> > So you APPROVE of blood-diamonds, little Baby? Most of us with things
>> > like consciences (look it up) would rather purchase stones mined in
>> > AMERICA by AMERICANS.
>> >
>> > Sorry to disappoint you, Baby, but this one fell flat. Very, very
>> > flat.
>>
>> Not ALL DIAMONDS are BLOOD DIAMONDS.
>
> And NOT EVERYONE GIVES DIAMONDS to their spouses, Asshole.
>

Actually every proffessional respected male buys a diamond to his 
significant love, unless you one of those people who has no manners.
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:25:27 -0400


"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:43:54 -0500
>> Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> >  "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:30:03 -0500
>> > > Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > In article ,
>> > > >  "Benjamin Cramer"  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>> > > > > news:catamont-5B88DE.21391530082007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > > > > > In article ,
>> > > > > > "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:12:45 -0700
>> > > > > >> ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> > I don't care whether you think I called the Hungarian
>> > > > > >> > Embassy or not. The white slave trade needs to be
>> > > > > >> > dealt with more severely and the Israeli government should
>> > > > > >> > take steps to make that possible.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> So, are you going to call the Israeli embassy?
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> >But they
>> > > > > >> > probably consider it there tourism industry.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> A tourism industry my ass! These women are considered nothing
>> > > > > >> more than 'Shiksa' a piece of meat for Jews to use. If you
>> > > > > >> want to travel abroad and seek out hookers you go to
>> > > > > >> Amsterdam. One of my friends uncle went to Amsterdam and
>> > > > > >> told us all about the red-light district. If your aim is to
>> > > > > >> party with hookers you don't go to Israel -- these Gentile
>> > > > > >> women are for Jews that live in Israel.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "One of my friends [sic[ uncle." Great research skills you
>> > > > > > have there, Baby.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I LIVED in Amsterdam. Your "friends uncle" is an idiot, just
>> > > > > > like you!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Is that where you learned to wedge your fist up your twat, fat
>> > > > > slag?
>> > > >
>> > > > Excellent job at one absolutely vile, foul-mouthed, gutter-lie
>> > > > and content-free post, Mr Cramer.
>> > >
>> > > He's vile? Uh, it was you that wrote the infamous "Sara The Fist
>> > > Salzman" story.
>> >
>> > Uh, no it wasn't.
>>
>> Yes, it was, You were posting under Sara Swartz. Bradbury found the
>> post and made it available to the readers of alt.rev
>
> Uh, no I wasn't. I have never posted under the name of Sara Swartz,
> little boy.

Actually it ws RJ11 who found out that Sara Swartz and Sara Salzman is the 
same person. Same e-mail account and same IP address. That's what RJ11 does 
the best, google research and trolling.

>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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"Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
> news:catamont-B56C2A.16435401092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> In article ,
>> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:30:03 -0500
>>> Sara Salzman  wrote:
>>>
>>> > In article ,
>>> >  "Benjamin Cramer"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>>> > > news:catamont-5B88DE.21391530082007@news-40.giganews.com...
>>> > > > In article ,
>>> > > > "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:12:45 -0700
>>> > > >> ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > I don't care whether you think I called the Hungarian Embassy
>>> > > >> > or not. The white slave trade needs to be
>>> > > >> > dealt with more severely and the Israeli government should
>>> > > >> > take steps to make that possible.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> So, are you going to call the Israeli embassy?
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> >But they
>>> > > >> > probably consider it there tourism industry.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> A tourism industry my ass! These women are considered nothing
>>> > > >> more than 'Shiksa' a piece of meat for Jews to use. If you want
>>> > > >> to travel abroad and seek out hookers you go to Amsterdam. One
>>> > > >> of my friends uncle went to Amsterdam and told us all about the
>>> > > >> red-light district. If your aim is to party with hookers you
>>> > > >> don't go to Israel -- these Gentile women are for Jews that live
>>> > > >> in Israel.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > "One of my friends [sic[ uncle." Great research skills you have
>>> > > > there, Baby.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I LIVED in Amsterdam. Your "friends uncle" is an idiot, just like
>>> > > > you!
>>> > >
>>> > > Is that where you learned to wedge your fist up your twat, fat slag?
>>> >
>>> > Excellent job at one absolutely vile, foul-mouthed, gutter-lie and
>>> > content-free post, Mr Cramer.
>>>
>>> He's vile? Uh, it was you that wrote the infamous "Sara The Fist
>>> Salzman" story.
>>
>> Uh, no it wasn't.
>
> Really?
>
>
>> In article <3hg9a1$iel_at_newsbf02.news.aol.com>, xxxxxxxxx_at_aol.com (x
>> xxxxxxxx) wrote:
>>>Perhaps you should read the messages before responding.  If you read 
>>> >>all of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" 
>>> >>position all fingers together.  What I (and xxx) was responding to was
>>>the suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position.  Of course,
>>> >>you go on to say *exactly that*.
>
>>
>> In fact, xxxxx, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position.
>> I just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
>> I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that
>> fist fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted
>> to impart my own (limited) experience. 
>
>
> From: Sara "The Fist Salzman
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Fist Fucking
> :
> By the way... Elbow Grease IS WATER SOLUABLE.
> Says so right on the label.
> We've found for MANY things, it is "wetter" and slicker than KY.
> Your mileage may, of course, vary.
> Perrrfect
> -- 
> It never rains under my umbrella
>                     ~~End~~
> From: Sara "The Fist" Salzman
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
> Subject: Re: Fist fucking (1)
> In article <3hg9a1$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, lanton...@aol.com (L
> Antoniou) wrote:
>> Perhaps you should read the messages before responding.  If you read all
>> of mine, you will see that eventually I do suggest the "duck" position -
>> all fingers together.  What I (and Elf) was responding to was the
>> suggestion that one *begin* fisting in that position.  Of course, you go
>> on to say *exactly that*.
>
>  In fact, Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
> just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve.
>  I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that 
> fist
> fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted to
> impart my own (limited) experience. 
>        Imagine the person in these photos assuming the "duck" position
>        and "fisting" herself!
>        http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/2/image.gif
>        http://www.westword.com/issues/11209/4/image.gif
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=s70dcvgs3eucqd31n81gqo5e21uj7...
> Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman - A Compilation of Her Better Known 
> Literary
> Works and Opinions
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:49 -0500
> Message-ID: 
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k13kevcj90g42mifth1ghve92udgg...
> Subject: Jews Spitting on Jesus During Aleinu (In Their Own Words Series)
> Message-ID: 
> Date: 13 Jun 2003 17:34:27 GMT
>
>>
>> -- 
>> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>> -Lenny Bruce
>

She was trying to be slick by changing newsgroups username but she forgot to 
change the email address and an IP number. Check her posts out at 
alt.sex.gay. do a search. 



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 wrote in message 
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> On Aug 31, 2:25 am, "Benjamin Cramer" 
> wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1188523551.631484.113640@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 30, 6:16 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> >> raglan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Aug 30, 5:26 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> >> >> Da Hungarian Jewish leader lied!!!!
>>
>> >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvGVDLMJHGA&mode=related&search=
>> >> >> JS
>>
>> >> >> m_raglan...@comcast.net wrote:
>> >> >>>  Number to Hungarian Embassy Consulate
>> >> >>> You may also call 202-362-6730/ext. 212 1 between 9 a.m. and 1 
>> >> >>> p.m.
>>
>> >> > There is no question the current Hungarian Prime Minister is deeply
>> >> > cynical and I would say stupid and a liar who doesn't care about his
>> >> > nation. He is part of the problem of the resurgence of neo-fascism.
>>
>> >> > Michael Ragland
>>
>> >> Yes, Ragland!
>> >> Only way out is this!
>>
>> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pAwXAnyR5M&mode=related&search=
>>
>> >> JS- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Not by a long shot; Hitler's voice coming from Hungarian Prime
>> > Minister. Hungary's government
>> > is currently inefficient;
>>
>> Because it's run by a hebe, Michael m'dear.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Assuming that is accurate (and I don't want to waste my time
> researching it)
> I think it is folly to blame a Jewish leader with a backlash of
> antisemitism.
> That occurred in the Weimar Republic where the Free Corps probably
> assasinated
> Kurt Eisner. Don't you people ever control yourselves morally? The
> answer
> throughout history is "no". As Lomenzo pointed out there is the
> unsalvegable rotten.
>
> Michael Ragland
>

You are right, Morality is a sin in Jewish tradition. That's why the Jewish 
race are disliked by many races. 



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Welcome to VQR

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About Jack R. Fischel
Jack R. Fischel is the author of The Holocaust (Greenwood, 1998) and
Historical Dictionary of the Holocaust (Rowman & Littlefield, 1999)
and coauthor of The Holocaust and Its Religious Impact (Praeger,
2004). He is Professor of History Emeritus at Millersville University
in Pennsylvania where he taught for thirty-seven years.


    The New Anti-Semitic Axis:Holocaust Denial, Black Nationalism, and
the Crisis on Our College Campuse
Jack R. Fischel
The fall of communism in Eastern Europe has led to a revival of anti-
Semitism in many of the former Iron-Curtain countries. Officially
prohibited in many of these countries since the end of the Second
World War, the emergence of xenophobic nationalism has witnessed the
emergence of "patriotic" political parties which blame not only
communism but also poor economic conditions on the Jews. For example,
in Russia, Pamyat peddles the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as proof
of the world Jewish conspiracy to strangle the economies of the lands
of the former Soviet Union. In the Ukraine, neo-Nazi parties have
arisen who subscribe to a credo in which citizenship is based on
"blood" and openly preach hatred against Jews. In Poland, before the
economy recently improved, the poor state of affairs was blamed on
Jews in a country where Jews, after the Holocaust, are almost
invisible in numbers. Germany has witnessed a revival of neo-Nazism
and even the reemergence of a Hitler cult. Skinheads target Jews and
"foreigners" for beatings and openly-although against the law-
celebrate ideas of racial purity. One can find this growing phenomena
in almost every European country.

The United States has not been exempt from this new wave of hatred of
the Jews. In fact, in America anti-Semites have linked up with their
German and French counterparts to create their own unique contribution
to the new anti-Semitism, Holocaust denial. In denying what is
probably the most documented instance of state-condoned mass murder,
Holocaust deniers have devised a strategy that appears reasonable to
audiences who know little history and are conditioned to believe that
there is always more than one side to an argument.

On many of the nation's college campuses, black nationalist speakers
have been invited to share their animus toward White America and, in
particular, their hatred of Jews. Recent events at Wellesley College,
Kean College, Trenton State College and C.U.N.Y., indicate that
audiences consisting primarily of black students and faculty are
receptive to the message of anti-Semitism. For example, at the
Philadelphia Community College of Philadelphia, Kwame Ture (the former
Stokely Carmichael) stated that "the Zionists joined with the Nazis in
murdering Jews." How is this phenomenon to be understood? Why are
Jews, former allies in the battle for the civil rights, now subjected
to the venom of anti-Semitism? Why are some black nationalists
becoming neo-deniers by diminishing the significance of the Holocaust?

In the case of Holocaust denial, how do we explain that 50 years after
the most barbaric destruction of a people in history and with survivor
testimony available to bring witness to the Shoah, Holocaust deniers
have been able to gain some measure of respectability for their
canards? Why are students and some faculty willing to listen to this
rhetoric of hate? Part of the answer lies in the clever packaging of
the "new anti-Semitism" in ways that disguise the real agenda of the
deniers and black nationalists who, in fact, continue the legacy of
centuries of "Jew-hatred."

Anti-Jewishness (the term anti-Semitism was first coined in 1879) has
been prevalent throughout the history of Western Christian
civilization, which inherited many of the negative stereotypes about
Jews from the ancient world. The scientific revolution and the
Enlightenment presented the possibility that images of Jews, which had
been forged in Christian tradition, would disappear with the secular
emphasis on reason and logic as the source of our understanding of
reality.

In fact, in much of Western Europe, religious truth was superseded by
the use of the scientific method as the mark of an educated person.
Despite Kant and the Romantics, education based on the rules of logic
and reason relegated other forms of knowledge, intuitive and
religious, to the sphere of the personal. The religious-minded person
might credit God with the parting of the Red Sea but attributing the
causes of the French Revolution to God's will would quickly result in
a failing grade in any secular-or for that matter-religious
institution of learning.

This revolutionary change in understanding truth was not necessarily
shared by the great mass of European society. By the end of the 18th
century, the ideas of the Enlightenment had been absorbed by some of
the intellectual class of Eastern Europe, but religious authority
continued to determine the content of education. Similarly, despite
the scientific revolution in the West, faith and belief in the
miraculous and the supernatural continued to inform large numbers of
Europeans in terms of explaining extraordinary phenomena. In the
struggle to bring about modernity, as symbolized by the French
Revolution, many of those who opposed the Revolution appealed to
religion and tradition to oppose the new emerging order based on
political and economic liberalism. In its appeal to those uprooted by
modernity, political reactionaries explained the great upheavals in
terms and images that were familiar to the masses. The catastrophe
brought about by the French Revolution and the Napoleonic era was
blamed on conspiratorial forces that had plotted and directed the
upheavals of 1789.In particular, Jews and Masons were singled out as
the villains, and it was easy to argue that the great long-term
beneficiaries of the Revolution were the Jews who, by the end of the
19th century, had been emancipated and allowed to assimilate into the
mainstream of European society. As for the Masons, they were
identified as the plotters who had destroyed Christian institutions
and had subordinated religion to the power of the state. Meeting in
secret and communicating with one another through signs that only they
understood, the Masons were accused of attempting to destroy
Christianity and replacing it with a religion based on reason and
natural law.

As for the Jews, it was not difficult to feed on centuries of
Christian teaching that taught that the Jews represented the feared
and hated "other." A list of negative sterotypes about Jews which
encompasses the period of Christian religious hegemony over Europe and
was readily familiar to the ear of Europeans would include;

The Jew as the anti-Christ
The Jew poisoned the wells of Europe
Jews engaged in ritual murder
The synagogue was the house of Satan
The Jews were the agents of the Devil
The Jew as Devil (his skullcap covering his horns)
Jews desecrate the Host on their holidays
Jews were usurers
Jews as Christ-killers
The Jew as bent on the destruction of Christianity



That many Europeans were receptive to the image of the Jew as the
enemy of Christianity meant that it was easier for racists and anti-
Semites in the 19th and 20th centuries to transfer these stereotypes
into the modern idea that the Jew was the enemy of the state. Thus, in
its modern form, was born the Jewish conspiracy theory of history. As
both much of Western Europe and the United States in the 19th century
moved from an agrarian to an industrialized society, the changes also
brought about many cultural and intellectual innovations which
collectively we call modernity. The new cultural and intellectual
elites formed by secular modern Europe and America included many Jews,
who gained fame, wealth, and positions of influence disproportionate
to their overall numbers in society as a whole. For a growing number
of political and cultural anti-Semites, the prominent position of Jews
in industrialized Europe was evidence that the volatile changes
brought about by the French Revolution were the work of the Jewish
Conspiracy and their Masonic- now read liberal bourgeois-allies.

Russian reactionaries during the Czarist period, Volkisch intellectual
in Germany, anti-Dreyfussards in France, and segments of the Populist
movement in the United States, focused on Jews as part of the
Conspiracy that was responsible for the excesses of industrialization.
In the 20th century, the Jewish conspiracy theory was fostered not
only by the Nazis but also by Josef Stalin. The so-called "doctor's
plot" which almost led to a massive pogrom against Jews in the Soviet
Union was based on Stalin's paranoia that Jewish doctors, who were his
attendants, were part of a Jewish conspiracy to assassinate him.

During the Middle Ages, the idea of a Jewish Conspiracy was the work
of the medieval imagination. But in the post-Enlightenment era, the
myth was reinforced with "hard evidence" in the form of the Protocols
of the Elders of Zion. First published in Czarist Russia during the
reign of Nicholas II, the Protocols claimed to be an eyewitness
account of a meeting of Jews in a Prague cemetery where a rabbi
ostensibly outlined the strategy that would lead to the Jew's conquest
of the world. The Protocols entered Germany via Russian émigrés who
had escaped the Bolshevik Revolution and attracted the attention of
Adolf Hitler and his volkisch comrades. For Hitler, the account was a
convincing explanation for the rise of Bolshevism and, at the same
time, the perceived dominance of the Jews over the world's credit and
banking institutions.

Both the Nazis and Henry Ford were among the most notorious
disseminators of the fraudulent Protocol, although Ford was later to
apologize for publishing the forgery in his Dearborn Independent. For
Baltic German émigrés such as Alfred Rosenberg, the Bolshevik
Revolution and its disproportionate number of Jewish leaders were
proof that the Revolution was the product of the world Jewish
Conspiracy. Rosenberg converted Hitler to this view of history and, in
turn, Hitler merged the conspiracy theory with his racial views.

Borrowing from an eclectic number of social thinkers of the 19th
century, Hitler accepted as fact that Germany was involved in a life-
and-death struggle with the Jews. Influenced, in particular, by 19th-
century racial theorist Houston Stewart Chamberlain's ideas, Hitler
believed that all of history was shaped by the struggle between Aryans
and Semites. Chamberlain believed and Hitler accepted the argument
that genetic pools express themselves not only in different physical
characteristics but also in different mental, social, and cultural
characteristics. Aryans and Semites not only looked different but also
manufactured culture differently. Thus, for Hitler, the nation was
defined as a population that comes out of a particular social heritage
with all of its ethnic, linguistic, cultural, and genetic
implications. The German nation was an Aryan nation and the Jews were
Semites. Throughout history the Aryans had confronted the Semites and
had always proved superior. The Hittites (Aryans) had conquered the
Egyptians (Semites), the Aryan Persians had defeated the Semitic
Babylonians and the Greeks had conquered much of the Middle East.
Further-more, Aryans had the most developed language (Indo European)
and stunning physiques, whereas Semites possessed ugly physical
characteristics, were genetically inferior and a mongrel people as a
result of race-breeding between Africans, Egyptians, Canaanites, and
Phoenicians. Hitler subscribed to the view that these two races were
in eternal conflict and that the Aryan race was intrinsically
superior. As for Christianity, it came down to one of two choices;
claiming that either the great figures of the Bible from Abraham to
Jesus were Aryan transplants, or Christianity, as Judaism, was a
Semitic religion and thus inappropriate for true Aryans.

Inasmuch as Jews were Semites, they represented a threat to the Aryan
blood-lines. Once Jews were emancipated and then attempted to
assimilate into German life, especially through intermarriage, they
represented a threat to German physiology and destiny. For Hitler, the
Protocols represented the Jewish strategy to conquer the Aryan
peoples. Thus, he fused the conspiracy theory with racial anti-
Semitism and the result was, in the words of Lucy Dawidowicz, a war
against the Jews. The Holocaust should be viewed from this
perspective, that the Nazis sought to weed out an alien species that
threatened to destroy the purity of the German race. Hitler also
believed that democracy, as Bolshevism, was a Jewish invention and
that the allied nations that opposed him during WWII were, in fact,
agents of the conspiracy. Jews, therefore, were viewed as the primary
obstacle to the fulfillment of the Nazi promise of a thousand year
Reich, Drawing on a medieval symbol, the Jews became the dragon to
Hitler's St. George. Hitler was determined to destroy the Jewish
conspiracy and, once the war started, it became his obsession,
believing that the destruction of European Jewry would constitute a
victory for the Aryan race even if Germany lost the conventional war
to the Allies.

The defeat of Nazism, however, did not discredit the belief in the
Jewish conspiracy, nor did the myth of Aryan supremacy disappear.
Rather, these ideas went underground and generally were associated
with the "lunatic right." So long as the Holocaust claimed the moral
conscience of the world, Nazi racial ideas had little chance of
gaining an audience; at least this was the case until the last few
years.

II
The resurgence of anti-Semitism in recent years can be attributed to
many factors. As the excesses of Nazi atrocities continued to unfold
and researchers uncovered different facets of the extermination
policy, it became difficult for anti-Semites to speak out publicly
against Jews. In the United States, the language of civility prevented
the type of crude anti-Semitism that characterized public discourse
until the end of WWII.The public "Jew-Daiting" of a Senator Theodore
Bilbo of Mississippi or Georgia's populist leader Tom Watson was out
of a place in a country that formed a consensus that anti-Semitism in
public discourse was unacceptable. In Europe, except for the Soviet
Union and Eastern Europe, there also existed a moratorium on anti-
Semitism. Criticism of Israel, however, become a different matter.
After the Six-day War, the image of Israel as a David fighting against
Goliath began to change. As the cause of the Palestinians began to
receive a sympathetic hearing in Europe, anti-Semites seized the
opportunity to renew their war against Jews in the guise of anti-
Israel rhetoric. Thus, in addition to the legitimate type of criticism
that was made against Israel's policy in the occupied territories,
there were also those who challenged Israel's right to exist.

In continuing Hitler's racial war against the Jews, through its attack
on Israel's legitimacy, anti-Semites in both the United States and
Europe realized that to be successful they must overcome the link the
public made between the Holocaust and the subsequent creation of
Israel. Thus the strategy began incrementally by first questioning the
number of Jews killed by the Nazis, and it soon escalated to a denial
of the Holocaust in general. The tactics used by the deniers served
three objectives: to rehabilitate Adolf Hitler and Nazism, to rescue
Nazi racial doctrine from its stenched association with the Holocaust,
and to undermine the moral support for Israel as a result of the
world's revulsion to the Shook.

Hitler has remained a hero among anti-Semites. For example in the
Holocaust-denying Christian Identity Movement, with a "church"
membership of more than 60,000, Hitler is viewed as a prophet sent to
combat the Jews who are believed to be the offspring of the union
between Eve and Satan that produced Cain. In the Christian Identity
Church and its allied hate groups, such as the White Aryan Resistance,
the negative religious stereotype is merged with Nazi social doctrine
to produce images of Jews as the head of the conspiracy to weaken
White Aryan America through the process of supporting integration, gay
rights, the Women's Movement, and other objectives on the liberal
agenda. Hitler, in these circles, is viewed as a great leader who
sacrificed his life to defend the purity of the Aryan race. They see
the Holocaust as the barrier that prevents Hitler's rehabilitation, a
necessary step if Americans are ever to realize that race-mixing is
the greatest threat to America's survival. This is the theme of the
Turner Diaries, the "Bible" of the neo-Nazi movement which refers to
the United States government as ZOG or the Zionist Occupation
Government. Similarly, by creating doubt about the Holocaust, in hopes
of undermining the moral standing of Israel in the world community,
the deniers have inadvertently received support from an unexpected
source, the Nation of Islam and other black nationalist groups. Black
nationalist groups in their attempts to separate American blacks from
their traditional allies in the white community have, in particular,
focused on black-Jewish relations. For example, the Nation of Islam
does not deny the facts of the Holocaust but does diminish its
significance when it compares it to the "African Holocaust" of the
Atlantic Slave Trade. The intent is to diminish the argument that Jews
and blacks have a common bond because of a shared history of
suffering. Rather, the rhetoric of black nationalism, like its white
anti-Semitic counterparts, emphasizes the image of the Jew as a
victimizer of blacks. Deborah Lipstadt, in her book, Denying the
Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory, points out,

The central assertion for the deniers is that Jews are not victims but
victimizers. They "stole" billions in reparations, destroyed Germany's
good name by spreading the "myth" of the Holocaust and want
international sympathy because of what they claimed had been done to
them ... they used the world's sympathy to "displace" another people
so that the state of Israel could be established.


If Professor Lipstadt were to change a few words and instead
substituted the lies spread about Jewish involvement in the slave
trade, there would be little difference between the remarks of Khalil
Muhammed, Louis Farrakhan, and the Holocaust deniers. It is also true,
that black nationalists such as Farakhan, would share with Holocaust
deniers the view that sympathy for the victims of the Holocaust led to
the support of the creation of the State of Israel. It is no
coincidence that the Nation of Islam continues to distribute the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Black nationalists, similar to
Holocaust deniers, have a strong animus toward the Jewish state.

In this context, Holocaust denial strategy focuses on college campuses
where it hopes to find an audience receptive to its message. Its
promoters count on reaching future generations of college students
whose knowledge of the Holocaust is distant insofar as they have any
direct contact with Holocaust survivors or even an interest in the
subject. Further-more, Holocaust deniers believe that time is on their
side. As witnesses to the Holocaust pass on and the memory of the
Shook recedes in memory, the deniers count on presenting their case as
simply another point of view, one well within the scholarly tradition
of historical revisionism.

In their efforts at gaining respectability, Holocaust deniers have not
only hidden their agenda but veiled their associations. Holocaust
denial, as a serious enterprise, was founded by Willis Carto, founder
of the anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby and the Institute for Historical
Review, which publishes the Journal of Historical Review. The
publication presents itself as a scholarly journal and frequently
publishes articles unrelated to the Holocaust. Historians, such as
David Irving and, on occasion, John Toland, have lent their names to
the periodical although most reputable historians have distanced
themselves from the publication. Carto, as Irving, has links to many
neo-Nazi movements in this country and abroad. Under Carto, the
institute has become a clearing-house for Holocaust denying material
for the use of anti-Semitic organizations and groups which share the
objective of spreading doubt concerning the facts of the Holocaust.

III
That Holocaust deniers see the Holocaust as the product of the Jewish
conspiratorial imagination is undeniable. It is also true that they
subscribe to Nazi racial doctrine and view the Jews as guiding an
international conspiracy, centered in Israel, which has as its
objective the control of the industrialized world. More recently, the
Tri-Lateral Commission was charged with being a front for the Jewish
conspiracy.

Thus the racist and conspiratorial ideas of the Nazis remain alive and
are attempting to undo the results of the Nazi defeat by "proving"
that the Holocaust was a myth perpetrated by the Jews' objectives
first outlined in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In their
attempt to deconstruct the Holocaust, the deniers focus on three
aspects of the Shoah: first, they claim that the Nazis never had a
policy or program to exterminate the Jews. David Irving has argued
that nowhere is there a "smoking gun," that is an order issued by
Hitler to implement the destruction of European Jewry. Second, they
deny that the gas chambers were used for the purpose of murdering
Jews. They admit that Jews died in concentration camps but attribute
the bulk of these deaths to typhoid. Thirdly, they question whether
millions of Jews-let alone six million-were killed by the Nazis or
anyone else. Instead, they contend that at a maximum, about 200, 000
Jews were killed and have even argued that the number of Jews still
alive after WWII was actually larger than before the war. They further
state that the number of Jewish dead included many who were killed by
allied bombing attacks.

In light of all the evidence: Nazi documents, the disclosures at the
Nuremberg Trials, Nazi photos and films, survivor accounts,
confessions of Nazi leaders, memoirs, etc., how is it possible that
any intelligent person could possibly doubt the authenticity of the
Holocaust, possibly one of the most documented events in history?
There are several reasons why Holocaust denial arguments have slowly
intruded into the mainstream. They include: acceptance of their ads by
some college newspapers, appearances on radio talk shows and sensation-
seeking television shows, such as Phil Donahue and Geraldo Rivera, the
use of computer bulletin boards and hosting their own cable talk shows
through the use of public free-access cable.

Furthermore, in a controversial recent poll which showed that about 20
percent of the population may be willing to believe that the Holocaust
did not occur, that a percentage of the population believes that the
moon-landing was staged in a Hollywood studio, and that Kennedy
conspiracy theorists have created an industry, the Holocaust deniers
believe they have found a potential audience. Holocaust deniers have
discovered that there is a receptiveness on the part of a large
segment of the public to believe in conspiracy theory as an alternate
to the explanations of professional scholars. This propensity to
believe conspiracy theory has always existed alongside an educational
system that places reason, logic, and the rules of evidence as the
core of our understanding of reality. Holocaust deniers feed on an
audience's willingness to accept conspiracy theory much in the same
way that people during the Middle Ages accepted the reality of witches
and the devil. Historian Marvin Perry describes this as a thought
process rooted in myth-making,

Myth-making was humanities first way of thinking. Appealing primarily
to the imagination and emotions, not to reason ... The myth-making
mind proclaims a truth that is emotionally satisfying, not one that
has been arrived at through intellectual analysis and synthesis.


Despite evidence of a growing rate of literacy and formal education, a
large number of people often associate reality with the irrational and
are willing to accept conspiratorial explanations for complex events
of history (Yalta, "Who lost China?"). The popularity of Senator
Joseph McCarthy can be explained in this context inasmuch as he
displayed a visceral understanding of how to play on the public's
disposition to accept his conspiratorial explanation of the Cold War.

A current survey of anti-Semitic statements about Jews shows that
Holocaust deniers have a huge arsenal on which to draw in their
efforts to undermine the public's acceptance of the Holocaust. The
deniers continue to perpetrate the canards of the new anti-Semitism
such as,

The Holocaust is a hoax, and gas chambers did not exist The Diary of
Anne Frank is a forgery and is promoted by Jews to win sympathy for
Israel


they can expect to draw on the support of those who continue to
perpetrate or believe the following about Jews:

Jews control the Federal Reserve System
Jews owned 75 percent of Southern slaves
Jewish Hollywood created negative stereotypes of blacks
Jewish doctors infected blacks with AIDS
Jewish teachers intentionally miseducated black children through the
public school system
Lubavitch Hasidim in Russia engaged in the ritual murder of several
Christian priests
Jews control the media in the United States and dominate it in Russia
Israel is a "Nazi" state
Zionism is racism
Israel's Law of Return is an example of racism
African-Americans are the real Jews and the so-called Jew
is an imposter
Jews and blacks are the Mud People
Jews are the worst of the Ice People



As absurd as these lies are, there is, nevertheless, a propensity to
believe that "where there is smoke, there is fire."

Possibly, Perry is right in asserting that the myth-making way of
perceiving reality is so fixed in the Western tradition that there is
little Jews can do to exculpate themselves from their enemies. There
appears to be a link that connects the medieval view of Jews with the
anti-Semitism of our own time. The religious sensibility may have been
replaced by secular ones, but this had made little difference in
regard to depicting Jews in mythical terms. Holocaust deniers realize
that there is a potentially large audience which, under the right
circumstance, will be receptive to their message.

Further reasons for denier optimism about their message getting
through has, inadvertently, to do with the popularization of a current
fashion in academic criticism known as deconstruction. Brought to the
nation's attention by the case of Paul de Man (himself an apparent
Nazi sympathizer in his native Belgium), deconstruction questions not
only the reliability of text but also that of memory which is viewed
with suspicion as a reliable recreation of the past. Thus in an
environment where the subjective agenda of the author becomes the
focus of study, Holocaust deniers can reach an audience by challenging
the objectivity of the many scholarly works on the Shoah, written
primarily by Jewish academics and therefore suspect, as well as the
reliability of survivor testimony. Thus, in marketing Holocaust
denial, the deniers shrewdly mask their crude anti-Semitism and use
the language of the public square where all ideas have equal value and
feed on the relativistic view that history is merely a matter of
perspective.

Here is Bradly Smith, the media project director for the JHR on an ad
he attempted to place in a college newspaper,

No subject enrages campus thought police more than Holocaust
Revisionism. We debate every other great historical issue as a matter
of course, but influential pressure groups with private agendas have
made the Holocaust an exception.... Students should be encouraged to
investigate the Holocaust story the same way they are encouraged to
investigate every other historical event.


To students and faculty unfamiliar with the deceitful tactics of the
deniers, their arguments may well be persuasive. It is framed in the
language of moderation and, after all, who can be against listening
"to another point of view." The advent of Holocaust denial ads in
college newspapers-admittedly often accompanied by an editorial
denouncing the deniers -is still viewed as a triumph because they have
reached an audience unimaginable only a few years ago.

The abuse of multicultural programs has also indirectly played a role
in denial strategy. On some college campuses, the conspiracy theory of
history with the Jews at its center is taught as fact. At Wellesley,
one professor uses the Nation of Islam's distortion, The Secret
Relationship Between Blacks and Jews as a textbook. When accused of
perpetuating bigotry in the name of history, the same professor
published The Jewish Onslaught, an attack on his critics most of whom,
he perceived to be Jewish. At Kean College, Khallid Muhammad, a
disciple of Louis Farrakhan, denounced Jews, Catholics, and gays and
accused Jews of being "bloodsuckers" and engaging in a conspiracy
against blacks. At City University of New York, Leonard Jeffries
teaches in his Afro-Centric course that the white man was originally
the cold and heartless Iceman who came to Africa to subjugate the
Africans. He singles out Jews as the worst of the Icemen in their
exploitation of blacks. Rap musician Professor Griff charged at
Southern Connecticut State University, that Jewish doctors have
injected black babies with AIDS.At Howard University, a law student,
Malik Zulu Shabazz, attacked Jews for their control over blacks in the
cultural and economic spheres of American life. The Washington Post
reported the following from Shabazz's anti-Semitic rhetoric,

Each time Shabazz noted one of those (areas of Jewish control) he
paused to ask the crowd (of mostly students) who controlled it, and
the crowd shouted back: "Jews"


It was these Howard students who successfully intimidated the
university to postpone a lecture by Professor David Brion Davis of
Yale University, a leading authority on the history of slavery. Davis,
who is Jewish, won the Pulitzer Prize in 1967 for his book The Problem
of Slavery in Western Culture and was invited by the university to
give a presentation on the Haitian Revolution. Instead, Howard
University officials capitulated to a small and unrepresentative group
of students because of their fear that Davis would be verbally
assaulted by the same element that applauds the anti-Semitic rhetoric
of black nationalism and angrily shout that the "real Holocaust" was
the Atlantic slave trade.

IV
All of these now familiar scandals on college campuses occurred in
programs which had as their objective the fostering of multicultural
understanding. In reality, Khallid Muhammad, Leonard Jeffries, and
other purveyors of bigotry have used the campus to create the
atmosphere for both anti-Semitism and the acceptance of Holocaust
denial theory. After all, if a Tony Martin at Wellesley can use a text
that accuses Jews of conspiring in the African-Slave trade, then why
can't Holocaust deniers share their view of a Jewish conspiracy behind
the "Holocaust hoax?" The appearance of denier ads in college
newspapers and the presence of black nationalist speakers on college
campuses is not coincidental. What is happening-and it has been going
on for some time-is the slow erosion of "faith" in the rules of
evidence and logic on many campuses. It may be too harsh a judgment to
blame it on the popularization of deconstruction or historical
relativism, but it does appear that there no longer exists a consensus
on what constitutes truth and reality. The potential appeal of the
deniers is to the same constituency that applauds black nationalists
insofar as that they both provide an emotionally satisfying message
that satisfies, what Perry calls, the myth-making aspect of our brain
seeking facile answers to difficult questions.

As the new anti-Semitism in the form of Holocaust denial and black
nationalism intrudes its message on college campuses, the question
arises: what can be done? For starters, multicultural programs must
not be allowed to fall into the hands of bigots and charlatans. Timid
administrators must not hide behind the arguments of free-speech in
shirking their responsibility to guard the campus against
uncredentialed and bigoted spokesmen who are invited to campus for the
express purpose of spreading their message of hate. On too many
campuses bigotry and anti-Semitism masquerade under the banner of
diversity, while their real objective is to confuse and divide rather
than to bring together students of different ethnic backgrounds. We
must not ignore multicultural programs but monitor them.

Similarly, we must resist the siren-song of popularized deconstruction
theory and reassert the primacy of reason and logic. Holocaust deniers
and black nationalists represent an irrational approach to history,
and irrational methods of understanding knowledge have no place in
academia.

Finally, it is surprising that historians have not made a stronger
connection between those who deny the Holocaust and the threat this
attack makes on the profession. If, with all of the evidence that
envelopes our knowledge of the Holocaust, deniers can still reach an
audience, does it not follow that any period or event of history can
similarly be challenged? Is there really more documentation on the
fall of the Roman Empire than the Holocaust? On the history of the
Atlantic Slave trade? On the genocidal treatment of Native Americans?
The denial of the Holocaust is, in the last analysis, not only a new
form of anti-Semitism but also an attack on the craft of history.
Historians must become more vocal in combatting the deniers, if only
to protect the profession from liars who view history from the
perspective of bigotry.


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Great article although has pro Jewish bias. The subject of the article was 
'if anti-Semitism is on the rise'. Haven't provided any read statistical 
data that the anti-Semitism is in fact on the rise.  I like how the writer 
spent top 2 paragraphs to state his subject then give bogus information that 
most is irrelevant to the subject at hand. The history of anti-Semitism is 
inaccurate and takes up half of the article. Second half is the holocaust. 
The article even states the data when the name anti-Semitism was coined. The 
truth is that anti-Semitism existed since biblical times, at least. Also 
anti-Semitism was never prohibited in countries behind iron curtains that 
were communist.  As a matter of fact Jews seem to be disliked, at least in 
Poland, as most Poles believed and still do that Jews had very large 
influence on the War World II that for Poland ended in defeat.
I do believe that anti-Semitism is on the rise. There are new anti-Semitic 
websites showing up every week. At least I keep finding a new one to read 
every week.  Who is to blame for such negative feelings towards Jews but the 
Jews themselves and their hostility towards Palestinians, Arabs and Moslems 
in general.  Also the stereotype of money grabbing Jews seems to prove 
itself as there is more information available about powerful Jews who have 
the power to manipulate government into war with Iran.  Seems that Jewish 
community best defense is to go into offense and attack with smearing and 
labeling as anti-Semitism.  Also Holocaust must be mentioned of course for 
the shock value.

Show me some data from couple of sources that anti-Semitism is in fact on 
the rise! 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Protagonist   wrote:
>>>> http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/GALL31R/85600.HTM
>>>> Fat, double chin from 300 calories a day?
>>>>
>>>> These kids look healty! How many calories they ate, McVay?
>>>> http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/GALL31R/66935a.HTM
>>>>
>>>> Official Holocau$t story states, old woman , children, unfit to work
>>>> were gassed immediately!
>>>> Where they come from, hole barrack full of old woman?
>>>> http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/GALL31R/31450.HTM
>>>> http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/GALL31R/31450b.HTM
>>>>
>>>> They look healty!
>>>> http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_ph.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005189&MediaId=832
>>>
>>> Who said all prisoners, everywhere, received a 300 calorie diet, Moron 
>>> of Pleasanton?
>>> That was the Monowitz diet - prisoners in some camps received even less 
>>> than that.
>>
>>You are full of BS, retard. No one can live on 300 calories a day for
>>longer period of time.
>
> Thank you for admitting it, Dimwit the Szaki, and thus proving my case, 
> that
> the NAZIS deliberately subjected their victims to certain death by 
> providing a diet
> designed to kill them.
>


So you expect that during war the prisoners will be given hamburgers and 
milkshakes. But they did have a kitchen with some plan on how many calories. 
That seems to be very professional to have daily calories established. 
Something a death camp wouldn't do. Why would a death camp had professional 
kitchen with planning if the prisoners were to be sent to death. Just makes 
no sense.

Admit that the holocaust is very exaggerated and is turned into business to 
manipulate the governments for the good of the Izraelis and Jews. Most of 
the holocaust information available at this time doesn't hold water and is 
full of misinformation. There is only a few of actually shows evidence of 
the deaths of Jews during War World II and tell the truth with out all the 
holocaust marketing. If you look at Holocaust written material, most of the 
books source each other and there is only a handful of books that are the 
original sources. Even the original sources are being questioned and are 
discredited. For example Wiesel's testimony for years had been used as a 
source of many books, recently his story was proven to be very exaggerated 
with incorrect information. His statement of "geysers of blood" from the 
buried children comes to mind.

Now tell me why a DEATH camps had a professional kitchen services with 
planning if the camp was designed to get rid of people, exterminate in the 
fastest time apparently. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Moron Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot of Kitimat,
>  wrote:
>>And the Jews wonder why the Germans hatred then even more. All the 
>>rhetoric
>>and hatred against the Germans that did take place from that time can not 
>>be
>>re Printed in German news paper again
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Laughing Stock of UseNet, is 
> changing his
> tune, now that his incessant lies about post-WWI media have been exposed. 
> Now he claims
> that they cannot be "reprinted."

I always found your post laughable so that would make you the laughing stock 
of usenet. I am sure others laugh at your posts also. And if not at the 
posts, everybody is laughing looking at your picture
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

ROFL, nice bling fag. buahahha


>
> Poor old Village Idiot, his tribe is really, REALLY stupid.
>
> -- 
> "My name is not 'Fatbury Scumbag' you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name
> call is all a pathetic loser like you has!  You have yet to prove me
> wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!" (Scott Bradbury, The Leading
> Revisionist Scholar of Bellville, Texas) 



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"Ed Conrad"  wrote in message 
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> <
> http://huizen.daxis.nl/~henkt/plaatjes/bush-bin-laden.jpg
> <
> Can YOU identify this terrorist? If so, post to talk.origins NOW.
> <
> Thia nation owes a debt of gratitude to David Iain Greig,
> moderator, and all posters to the talk.origins news group
> for proving they have enormous testicles. In fact, they were
> kind enough to supply a picture.
> <
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Scrotum_by_David_Shankbone.jpg
> <
> "All posters to talk.origins have balls,
> even our women."
>              -- David Iain Greig, moderator
> <
> SMOKING GUN Discovered by talk.origins
> http://www.911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
> <
> What do you mean you need MORE proof, you freakin' moron?
> <
> http://www.piratenews.org/bush-911-jetfuel-wtc-laff.jpg
> http://rense.com/1.imagesH/bushisms.jpg
> www.leftybrown.com/alex-ross_bush-liberty.jpg
> http://rense.com/1.imagesH/resign.jpg
> http://rense.com/1.imagesH/lincoln_bush.jpg
> Http://rense.com/1.imagesH/alie.JPG
> http://rense.com/1.imagesH/bushboys.jpg
> <
>

It must be scaring the administration that such theories exist about 9/11. 
There even was a show on HISTORY CHANEL about 9/11 Theories. From the 
internet to the Cable HISTORY CHANNEL. 



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51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.

By Lenni Brenner

Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
movement
collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given the subsequent
Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be surprised and
appalled
that a political movement, which supposedly supported Jewish liberation,
was
prepared to collaborate with the most anti-semitic of regimes.

Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous OStern Gang
Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir
offers
to join in WWII on Othe side of the German Reich¹. There is also the
embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the Nazis as fellow
nationalists and were thus sympathetic to OGerman national renewal¹, the
memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine as the guest of the Zionist
movement for 6 months.

These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe of
the
Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour establishment
when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a willing paid
informer of
the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of the architects of the Final
Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also travelled to Palestine to liaise with
the
Zionists.

These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the history
of
the political movement which founded the state of Israel is not quite what
it
seems.

They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their precious
political movement, even if it means sacrificing several million Jews in
the
process, then exploiting their suffering to secure the greater goal of a
Zionist State.




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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:52:58 -0400


"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>

It would be unfair not to mention that there shouldn't be a coma after 
unfair. Is it possible that your education is at middle school level. Also 
your pedophile tendencies should be mentioned. 



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 wrote in message 
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> On 4 sept, 09:53, "snow"  wrote:
>
>> I always found your post laughable so that would make you the laughing 
>> stock
>> of usenet. I am sure others laugh at your posts also. And if not at the
>> posts, everybody is laughing looking at your 
>> picturehttp://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McV...
>>
>> ROFL, nice bling fag. buahahha
>
> Laugh as much as you can, but answer first those questions Mr.Vay has
> sent to you numerous times.
>
> --
> Wotan
>

Actually his questioned are the most laughable together with his picture. 



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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:59:47 -0400


 wrote in message 
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> On 4 syys, 09:51, "snow"  wrote:
>
>> Admit that the holocaust is very exaggerated
>
> No it isn't. Prove your claim.
>
>>and is turned into business to manipulate the governments for the good of 
>>the Izraelis and Jews.
>
> This is one of the basic arguments of holocaust "deniers". All of the
> are more or less right-wing extremists, neo-nazis, anti-semites or all
> of them. The argument is based on prejudice and lies and it has
> nothing to do with the historical fact.
>
> --
> Wotan
>
Looking at any other Wars, Holocaust and Exterminations, seems that War 
World II imprisonment of Jews gets the most attention. Somehow it seems that 
it is more important than the extermination if native Americans or Africans, 
Christians were also prosecuted. Not only that, but ADL even tried to 
downplay Armenian genocide.

But the question is why would a death camp consists of professional kitchen 
with planning if the prisoners were sent to such camps for extermination? 



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"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 5, 7:37 am, "Chris C. Larson" 
> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 9:14 am, Tree  wrote:
>>
>> > THE IDENTITY CHALLENGE
>>
>> > By the ECRCI
>>
>> > A STATEMENT ADDRESSED TO CHRISTIAN ISRAEL IN AMERICA AND AROUND THE
>> > WORLD
>>
>> > (The Man of Sin Will Be Revealed)
>>
>> And the man is ???????
>>
>> > To all Christians who love the Truth and who love Jesus Christ, this
>> > message is for you.  The Ecclesiastical Council for the Restoration of
>> > Covenant Israel is issuing this challenge to all of those Bible
>> > believers who have been taught that the Jews are "God's Chosen
>> > People."   The ECRCI takes the position that this teaching is a
>> > historical lie; and we also know that the rabbis of Judaism, although
>> > they have been teaching this doctrine for 2,000 years, also know that
>> > it is a lie.
>>
>> According to who? Barry Hackney?
>>
>> > Who Is the Anti-Christ?
>>
>> Scott Bradbury
>>
>> And we're still waiting for the explanation of how "the Jews stole
>> Yahweh". Midnight burglary perhaps? Were the authorities called?
>
>
>
> The word "Chosen" only refers to the assigned mission to spread the
> word of God.(It meant the Torah, including the Ten Commandments).
>
> It doesn't mean that Jews are superior to others. It means they have,
> according to scripture, a special job to do.
>

'chosen' is taken out of context. As old testament favors the Jews, the new 
testament tells us that Jews were whoring in Babylon. The Jews went as 
immoral in Babylon as they are going in USA. Even old testament has 
negativity towards jews. They were only chosen because God wanted to bring 
them into separate place and teach them about the 'ways of GOD and what one 
needs to do to achieve ways of God. The Jews wandered the desert for 40 
years. by themselves. Without any other races with them, jews by themselves 
couldn't find the way. Many of them didn't trust Moses, there was mistrust, 
usury, immorality. Its all in the Bible. Without a victim to pick on and the 
Jews started to deceive each other.
I'd agree that Jews had been chosen.What they were chosen for is the 
question that often is omitted from discussions
The Bible says they were chosen to leave someone else's land and territory, 
and establish their own piece of land. In which they had very difficult time 
because of mistrust and deceiving and manipulation

Read the bible and prove me wrong.



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> On 4 sep, 21:59, "snow"  wrote:
>
>> Looking at any other Wars, Holocaust and Exterminations, seems that War
>> World II imprisonment of Jews gets the most attention. Somehow it seems 
>> that
>> it is more important than the extermination if native Americans or 
>> Africans..
>
> First, it wasn't "imprisonement". It was a systematical mass murder in
> a scale never been before. It was mechanic, planned and the killing
> itself became the main target. It was the first time in history to
> carry out genocide in that way. That's why it has an unique place in
> history.
>
> It has nothing to with importance. Every genocide is a tragedy. But in
> holocaust the method, the way and the idea was unique.
>
> --
> Wotan
>

That is the exactly the exaggeration I am talking about. If it wasn't 
imprisonment then it was a death camp. So why would a death camp had a 
kitchen. They are all going to die. so why feed them even.
The food supply was low. It was a war. Why feed the people whose going to 
die. They were imprisoned for security reasons, Just like Zionist imprison 
Moslems now in Abu Grab. Looks like Zionists learned something for their 
imprisonment during WWII.
During war times, receiving 300 hundred calories a day was a god send. 
People ate dogs and cats. Many starved to death. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot
> of Kitimat,  wrote:
>>Kenneth what are these documentet lies. Please post them here for
>>verification.
>
> You will find them below, moron.
>

Your so called facts are nothing but links to nizkor website. Nizkor website 
is your own institution, established by you, and you yourself nominated as 
director (nice title). Your institution is a joke, has no popular support, 
is never sourced and you are just a failure. Do you even know what it takes 
to run a proper institution? Probably NOT, because if you did, you would run 
one. If your institution was credited you would engage in real holocaust 
debates and arguments with well known historians and proffessors, instead 
you choose to debate on some newsgroup (that's why you are a laughing stock 
of usenet) and you choose to debate or should I say attack innocent people 
who choose to stumple into this newsgroup to post a question about 
holocaust.
McVay you are a joke and a traitor to your country. Instead of standing up 
for United States, where you were born, instead you chose to abonden your 
homeland. Canadians also don't want you to be representing them since you 
are not canadian, so you choose to all of the sudden protect Jews, even 
though you are not one. Jews can stand up for themselves and don't need 
traitors like you representing them. You are laughed at by all three races, 
Besides you are an idiot, not a scholar. you never went to any known school, 
or even graduated with honors from any school. YOU ARE A JOKE AND LAUGHING 
STOCK OF USENET


>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:13dsi8i23grko88@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Kurt Knoll, the Village Idiot of
>>> Kitimat,  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Kenneth Nobody lies better than the Jews. It has been proven over
>>>>millenniums.
>>>
>>> And yet Leading Revisionist Scholar snow refuses to account for his
>>> DOCUMENTED lies.
>>>
>>> Funny, that.
>>>
>>> Now climb up on that Idiots' Wall and dive into the pavement again, Herr
>>> Knoll. The SS
>>> Tutu looks cute on you.
>>>
>>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>>news:13drd6vevees3e@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laugh as much as you can, but answer first those questions Mr.Vay 
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> sent to you numerous times.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually his questioned are the most laughable together with his
>>>>>>picture.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only laughable matter here is your cowardice, Leading Revisionist
>>>>> Liar
>>>>> snow. First
>>>>> you lie, then you run from having to account for your lies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Coward AND liar... you must be a Leading Revisionist Scholar!
>>>>>
>>>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
>>>>> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
>>>>> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
>>>>> with documentary evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 1:
>>>>>
>>>>> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>>>>> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>>>>>   so called liberation."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please document your claims.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
>>>>> gassings are a "myth."
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 3:
>>>>>
>>>>> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
>>>>> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
>>>>> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please document these claims.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 4:
>>>>>
>>>>> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
>>>>> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically 
>>>>> anti-Semite."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
>>>>> I made such a statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 5:
>>>>>
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free
>>>>> speech
>>>>> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent
>>>>> the
>>>>> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
>>>>> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by 
>>>>> Jews"
>>>>> as
>>>>> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
>>>>> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
>>>>> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
>>>>> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
>>>>> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
>>>>> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
>>>>> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
>>>>> Queen's Bench.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
>>>>> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
>>>>> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
>>>>> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
>>>>> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
>>>>> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
>>>>> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
>>>>> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
>>>>> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
>>>>> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
>>>>> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
>>>>> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
>>>>> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
>>>>> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
>>>>> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
>>>>> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
>>>>> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
>>>>> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
>>>>> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
>>>>> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
>>>>> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
>>>>> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
>>>>> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
>>>>> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>>>>>
>>>>>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
>>>>> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
>>>>> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
>>>>> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
>>>>> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
>>>>> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
>>>>> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
>>>>> legislation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 6:
>>>>>
>>>>> In article , you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are
>>>>> written
>>>>> by
>>>>> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all
>>>>> "Holocaust
>>>>> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the 
>>>>> authors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 7:
>>>>>
>>>>> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
>>>>> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
>>>>> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
>>>>> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
>>>>> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
>>>>> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
>>>>> owners."
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 8:
>>>>>
>>>>> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust
>>>>> supporting
>>>>> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include 
>>>>> a
>>>>> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their
>>>>> authors,
>>>>> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
>>>>> Jewish organizations."
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 9:
>>>>>
>>>>> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
>>>>> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
>>>>> the forefront of such edits."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
>>>>> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 10:
>>>>>
>>>>> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>>>>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and...
>>>>>
>>>>>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>>>>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could
>>>>>>cash
>>>>>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools 
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>propaganda)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what
>>>>> we
>>>>> find, shall we?
>>>>>
>>>>> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find
>>>>> the
>>>>> Polish
>>>>> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
>>>>> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
>>>>> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
>>>>> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
>>>>> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
>>>>> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
>>>>> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
>>>>> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
>>>>> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>>>>>
>>>>> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what
>>>>> "Nizkor
>>>>> says."
>>>>>
>>>>> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 
>>>>> we
>>>>> find
>>>>> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944
>>>>> about
>>>>> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>>>>>
>>>>> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about
>>>>> what "Nizkor
>>>>> says."
>>>>>
>>>>> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
>>>>> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
>>>>> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>>>>>
>>>>> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
>>>>> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
>>>>> he was lying - again.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar 
>>>>> (500,000
>>>>> dead), while the
>>>>> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on 
>>>>> Majdanek
>>>>> written by
>>>>> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000
>>>>> passed
>>>>> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 
>>>>> died,
>>>>> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing,
>>>>> hanging,
>>>>> or being shot."
>>>>>
>>>>> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the 
>>>>> victims
>>>>> were Jews.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this
>>>>> article
>>>>> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
>>>>> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to
>>>>> determine
>>>>> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>>>>>
>>>>>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>>>>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could
>>>>>>cash
>>>>>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools 
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>propaganda)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
>>>>> now that they have been exposed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 11:
>>>>>
>>>>> In article , on August
>>>>> 15,
>>>>> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
>>>>> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Please document when and where any of my children have
>>>>> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question 12:
>>>>>
>>>>> In article , posted on
>>>>> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>>>>>
>>>>> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>>>>>
>>>>> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract 
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
>>>>> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
>>>>> itself, a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> "People want to know all the facts whatever they are true
>>>>> or not." (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat's Leading Revisionist Scholar
>>>>> and all-round moron.)
>>>>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> "My name is not Fatboy you stupid Kike Swine!"
>>> (Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>>> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -  An electronic Holocaust educational resource
> David Irving,  Holocaust denial, and his connections to  Right-Wing
>             Extremists and Neo-Nazism in Germany:
>       http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/f/funke-hajo/ 



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"Duwop"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 4, 12:42 pm, RJ11  wrote:
>> In article ,
>>
>> snow  wrote:
>>
>>    (some drivel snipped)
>>
>>    Injected something good lately,  nazi vermin?
>>
>>    "I am a heroin addict but will do 'free' coke anytime. Usually
>> If I over do it with heroin I will go out of my way to get coke.  If
>> I choose to do coke I always have couple bags of dope otherwise
>> coming down is a bitch" -- Posted by the "revisinionist" "snow
>> ",  Message-ID:
>> ).
>>
>
> Posit:
> snow believes that Jews always lie.
> snow always lies.
>
> Does this mean that Snow believes himself to be Jewish?
>
I just might be but we know for sure McVay isn't Jewish, he didn't even 
convert to Judaism. The second he dies, he will be forgotten. I doubt its 
even going to make the news that McVay is dead. I am pretty sure nobody will 
cry after him or miss him either. 



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 wrote in message 
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>
>
>
>
> Brainwashed Prussian Blue Twins
>
> http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=1256834677424104633
>

Brainwashed by the Holocaust propaganda. Jews see Nazism everywhere even 
though its been long dead. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Protagonist   wrote:
>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar Protagonist, the Village
>>> Idiot of Pleasanton,   wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> So you think McVay, Da idiot of Vancuver, in todays US prisons, guards
>>>
>>> I do not live in Vancouver, dimwitted szaki. Never have, never will.
>>>
>>>> receive the same food, what prisoners receive?
>>>> If Monowitz only gave 300 cal/day per prisoner, prisoners had to get
>>>> food from some where else, outside or were rewarded with coupons for
>>>> hard work to buy more food with it.
>>>
>>> No, dimwit the szaki, they simply starved to death in 3-4 months.
>>
>>It doesn't work that way, idiot.
>
> It does, and it did, Leading Revisionist Scholar szaki. You can stomp your 
> cowardly
> little feet all day long, but you cannot make it go away.
>
>>You starve masses, they will riot.
>
> Not when they are constantly brutalized.
>
>>You can only push people so far.
>>It didn't happen in Auschwitz, Monowitz or any where.
>
> Prove it, Leading Revisionist Scholar szaki. PROVE that all the historians 
> are wrong, all
> the perpetrators are wrong, and all the victims are wrong.
>
>>You are and your Holohoax stories are  paranoid delusions.
>
> Prove it - and quit stomping your feet.
>

What are you talking about homo. Make up your mind. Was it a death camp or 
prison. Concentration camps are nothing more than  Abu Grab jail. Every 
report says that it was structured as prison with kitchens, outdoor area. 
sleeping barracks. Every idiot knows that if you want to kill someone you 
don't provide the prisoners with such accomodies. Sounds more like a refugee 
camp than deathcamp.





> Question 1:
> -----------
>
> On June 13, 2005, you wrote:
>
> "Although a final figure of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen has never 
> been
> presented, the most extreme estimates by Yad Vashem and others say that
> between 900,000 and 1.25 million people - Jews and others - were killed by
> the special action units."
>
> "This figure is without doubt a gross exaggeration, considering that the
> Einsatzgruppen never had more than 3,000 men in total serving in its units
> at any one time, and furthermore spent most of their time fighting
> partisans."
>
> "But even if this grossly exaggerated figure is accurate - and all 
> evidence
> is that it is not - this grandiose figure is still nowhere near the 5
> million Jews the Nazis estimated were in the Soviet Union's territory."
>
> (Szaki, UseNet alt.revisionism, Message ID
> 6oadnbn35bIiozDfRVn-1Q@comcast.com)
>
> Please document your claim that the figure 1.2 million is a gross 
> exaggeration,
> and then produce the "all evidence" mentioned in your third paragraph.
>
> Include the name of publications containing this "all evidence,", the 
> pages
> upon which this "all evidence" can be found, the publisher and publication
> date, and the author's name.
>
> Question 2:
> -----------
>
> On June 15, 2005, in response to the publication of document PS-2615 
> (First
> Nurnberg Tribunal), in which Wilhelm Hoettl explained that he had been
> told that 6 million Jews had died, you wrote:
>
> "Sworn testimony, after torture! Nice try, moron!" (Szaki. UseNet 
> alt.revisionism,
> Message ID X46dneLExIw3ajLfRVn-sg@comcast.com)
>
> Please provide evidence that Herr Hoettl was, in fact, tortured.
>
> Question 3:
> -----------
>
> In article , on June 18, 2005, you
> asserted that Sgt. Ragene Farris, who served in the 329th Medical 
> Battalion and
> described the horrors American troops had to face during the liberation of
> the "Boelcke Kazerne" in Nordhausen concentration camp provided a 
> fictional
> account. You wrote:
>
> "Thank you JJ, this story of courage of Sergeant Ragene Farris really made 
> me
> cry, very nice, heart breaking fictional tale."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence which proves that condtions were not
> as Sgt. Farris described them.
>
> Question 4:
> -----------
> On August 19, 2005, in article , you 
> wrote:
>
> "Why don't you talk about your stupid, boring, Nizkor website, all the
> cut/paste, fake stories and pictures."
>
> Which pictures and stories, precisely, are "fake?" Please provide your 
> evidence
> that specific pictures and/or stories are fake.
>
> Question 5:
> -----------
>
> On September 24th, 2005, you wrote:
>
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>
>>> http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/nca/ftp.py?imt/nca/nca-05/nca-05-2615-ps
>
>>*You're using Nizkor fake information, Brum-Brum-Bruno!
>
> Please produce documentary evidence that Hoettl's sworn statement, which
> constituted document 2615-PS for the First Nurnberg Tribunal, is "fake
> information."
>
> Please demonstrate, again with documentary evidence, that Nizkor's copy of
> this document is not an textually exact rendering of 2615-PS.
>
> Question 6:
> -----------
>
> On October 1, 2005, you wrote the following of the statement of Dr. 
> Sigmund Rascher:
>
> In article ,
> szaki   wrote:
>>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher1.jpg
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?people/r/rascher.sigmund//images/Rascher2.jpg
>
> [...]
>
>>*Nice forgeries, like the 4 million death at Auschwitz and any thing
>>else about the Holocau$t!
>
> Please produce documented evidence that the Rascher statement, as shown on
> two Nizkor Project images, are forgeries.
>
> Please list the Western historians who cited the 4-Million figure as 
> valid.
>
> Question 7
> ----------
>
> On October 2, 2005, in article ,
> you made the following claim:
>
> "First, EG report was way inflated about numbers executed. EG all ways
> reported at least twice as much back to Germany, to make them self look
> good"
>
> Please produce documented evidence that the Einsatzgruppen reports used 
> inflated numbers.
> Cite the name of the report in question, and document your claim with 
> respect to that
> report.
>
> Question 8
> ----------
>
> On October 23, 2005, in article 
> ,
> you wrote:
>
>>Running a website for profit, so called Nizkor, cashing in on other
>>people misfortune and misery!
>
> Please present evidence that Nizkor is run for a profit.
>
> -- 
> "I did never anyone say this you must be living in your hologram."
> (Kurt Knoll, Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar,
> )
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>>  wrote in message
>> news:1188999400.326919.177560@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> > On 4 sep, 21:59, "snow"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Looking at any other Wars, Holocaust and Exterminations, seems that 
>> >> War
>> >> World II imprisonment of Jews gets the most attention. Somehow it 
>> >> seems
>> >> that
>> >> it is more important than the extermination if native Americans or
>> >> Africans..
>> >
>> > First, it wasn't "imprisonement". It was a systematical mass murder in
>> > a scale never been before. It was mechanic, planned and the killing
>> > itself became the main target. It was the first time in history to
>> > carry out genocide in that way. That's why it has an unique place in
>> > history.
>> >
>> > It has nothing to with importance. Every genocide is a tragedy. But in
>> > holocaust the method, the way and the idea was unique.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Wotan
>> >
>>
>> That is the exactly the exaggeration I am talking about. If it wasn't
>> imprisonment then it was a death camp. So why would a death camp had a
>> kitchen. They are all going to die. so why feed them even.
>> The food supply was low. It was a war. Why feed the people whose going to
>> die. They were imprisoned for security reasons, Just like Zionist 
>> imprison
>> Moslems now in Abu Grab. Looks like Zionists learned something for their
>> imprisonment during WWII.
>> During war times, receiving 300 hundred calories a day was a god send.
>> People ate dogs and cats. Many starved to death.
>
> Do you know how idiotic you sound?
>
> Apparently not, or you wouldn't post this moronic stuff in the first
> place.
>
> I suggest you do something unusual: read a book. Here's one that will
> answer ALL your idiotic questions:

You are an ugly fat slab who has not life outside internet. You should get 
on the 300 calories diet. Maybe you could loose that second chin of yours 
and hotdog neck.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/Salzman.html

>
> Auschwitz by Deborah Dwork and Robert Jan Van Pelt
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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"Joe Bruno"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 5, 5:30 pm, "Chris C. Larson" 
> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 11:49 am, "snow"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
>>
>> >news:1189006479.211299.263490@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > On Sep 5, 7:37 am, "Chris C. Larson" 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >> On Sep 5, 9:14 am, Tree  wrote:
>>
>> > >> > THE IDENTITY CHALLENGE
>>
>> > >> > By the ECRCI
>>
>> > >> > A STATEMENT ADDRESSED TO CHRISTIAN ISRAEL IN AMERICA AND AROUND 
>> > >> > THE
>> > >> > WORLD
>>
>> > >> > (The Man of Sin Will Be Revealed)
>>
>> > >> And the man is ???????
>>
>> > >> > To all Christians who love the Truth and who love Jesus Christ, 
>> > >> > this
>> > >> > message is for you.  The Ecclesiastical Council for the 
>> > >> > Restoration of
>> > >> > Covenant Israel is issuing this challenge to all of those Bible
>> > >> > believers who have been taught that the Jews are "God's Chosen
>> > >> > People."   The ECRCI takes the position that this teaching is a
>> > >> > historical lie; and we also know that the rabbis of Judaism, 
>> > >> > although
>> > >> > they have been teaching this doctrine for 2,000 years, also know 
>> > >> > that
>> > >> > it is a lie.
>>
>> > >> According to who? Barry Hackney?
>>
>> > >> > Who Is the Anti-Christ?
>>
>> > >> Scott Bradbury
>>
>> > >> And we're still waiting for the explanation of how "the Jews stole
>> > >> Yahweh". Midnight burglary perhaps? Were the authorities called?
>>
>> > > The word "Chosen" only refers to the assigned mission to spread the
>> > > word of God.(It meant the Torah, including the Ten Commandments).
>>
>> > > It doesn't mean that Jews are superior to others. It means they have,
>> > > according to scripture, a special job to do.
>>
>> > 'chosen' is taken out of context. As old testament favors the Jews, the 
>> > new
>> > testament tells us that Jews were whoring in Babylon. The Jews went as
>> > immoral in Babylon as they are going in USA. Even old testament has
>> > negativity towards jews. They were only chosen because God wanted to 
>> > bring
>> > them into separate place and teach them about the 'ways of GOD and what 
>> > one
>> > needs to do to achieve ways of God. The Jews wandered the desert for 40
>> > years. by themselves. Without any other races with them, jews by 
>> > themselves
>> > couldn't find the way. Many of them didn't trust Moses, there was 
>> > mistrust,
>> > usury, immorality. Its all in the Bible. Without a victim to pick on 
>> > and the
>> > Jews started to deceive each other.
>> > I'd agree that Jews had been chosen.What they were chosen for is the
>> > question that often is omitted from discussions
>> > The Bible says they were chosen to leave someone else's land and 
>> > territory,
>> > and establish their own piece of land. In which they had very difficult 
>> > time
>> > because of mistrust and deceiving and manipulation
>>
>> > Read the bible and prove me wrong.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Oh great, just what we need- another dime store interpreation of the
>> bible.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> The idiot snow can't even write proper English and now he is
> teeling us what the Bible means? What a crock.
>

You can read on what the bible means here http://www.slate.com/id/2154876/ 
written by people way more intelligent than you. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Archive/File: holocaust/poland/lublin lublin.001
> Last-Modified: 1995/01/09
>
>   Mark Weber, whose connections to the German neo-nazi political
>   movement were firmly established by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre
>   (Los Angeles) in the Spring of 1993, has this to say about
>   Auschwitz:
>
>      Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and
>      engineers have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz
>      story.  These "revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact
>      that large numbers of Jews were deported to the camp, or that
>      many died there, particularly of typhus and other diseases.  But
>      the compelling evidence they present shows that Auschwitz was
>      not an extermination center and that the story of mass killings
>      in "gas chambers" is a myth. (Raven, Auschwitz)
>
>   Theodore O'Keefe, an editor with the Institute for Historical
>   Review, echoed this "typhus excuse" in his article entitled "The
>   Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies":
>
>                         Typhus, Not Poison Gas
>
>      If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
>      Buchenwald, and Bergen- Belsen perish?  Were they tortured to
>      death?  Deliberately starved?  The answers to these questions
>      are known as well.  As Dr.  Larson and other Allied medical men
>      discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the
>      other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old and terrible
>      scourge of mankind which until recently flourished in places
>      where populations were crowded together in circumstances where
>      public health measures were unknown or had broken down.  Such
>      was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at
>      war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing,
>      quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual
>      collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems
>      led to catastrophe. (Raven, Liberation)
>
>   In light of such assertions, which attempt to whitewash the
>   deliberate murder of millions, it might be worthwhile to consider
>   the following incident, which took place near Lublin, in Poland, in
>   early 1940:
>
>   "On January 14 a group of former soldiers in the Polish army, 880
>   Jews in all, were taken from the prisoner-of-war camp in Lublin and
>   told that they were to be marched to the Soviet border where, as
>   Jews born east of the new Nazi-Soviet demarcation line, they would
>   be transferred to Soviet authority.
>
>   The 880 prisoners were escorted on the march by SS men armed with
>   rifles and machine guns.  Just before the town of Lubartow, the SS
>   men opened fire, and more than a hundred of the prisoners-of-war
>   were killed.  'The invalids were the first to be shot at,' one of
>   the [prisoners], Avraham Buchman, later recalled, 'because they
>   were too weak to walk.  There was one man who was shot in the
>   lung.'<7>
>
>   The [prisoners] thought seriously of rebelling; there were only
>   thirteen guards, albeit armed.  But, as Ringelblum [Archival note:
>   Emanuel Ringelblum was a young historian who began recording Nazi
>   actions against Jews in 1933.  He was executed by the Nazis in
>   1944, after three days of savage beatings.  His diaries survived.
>   knm] later learned, the guards told them that if any tried to
>   escape 'that would be a great catastrophe for all the Jews of
>   Poland'.  Some twenty prisoners-of-war did manage to escape.  But
>   the retaliation was immediate: three men were killed 'with one
>   bullet', while the cruellest of the guards 'wantonly killed people
>   walking along the road'.<8>
>
>   That night the [prisoners] were locked in an abandoned stable, and
>   in the local synagogue.  One the following day, between Lubartow
>   and Parczew, a second massacre took place: only 400 of the 880
>   reached the outskirts of Parczew alive.  There, Arieh Helfgot, one
>   of the survivors, later recalled, 'a delegation of Jews came out to
>   meet us in order to conduct negotiations with our murderers.  We
>   were astonished at their courage, as they could quite easily have
>   died together with us.'
>
>   These local Jews gave the SS men money, in return for permission to
>   provide the [prisoners] with food.  That night the [prisoners]
>   were again locked in the local synagogue.  But during the night,
>   with the help of the same local Jews who had come so bravely to
>   intercede for them, forty of the prisoners managed to escape.  The
>   local Jews then found them civilian clothers, and hiding places.
>
>   On the following morning the remaining 360 [prisoners] were again
>   marched off, and once more subjected to bursts of machine-gun fire;
>   less than two hundred survived, to be imprisoned in another
>   prisoner-of-war camp, at Biala Podlaska. The transfer to Soviet
>   territory never took place. At Biala Podlaska, refused medical
>   attention, most of the survivors of the march died of typhus.<9>"
>   (Gilbert, 110-111)
>
>   When Mr. O'Keefe and Mr. Weber, therefore, speak casually (and
>   callously, I might add) of "deaths from typhus," one would be well
>   advised to consider the reality, as outlined above. One need not
>   research the era a great deal to realize that the conditions which
>   led directly to tens of thousands of deaths from disease and
>   starvation were deliberately and systematically encouraged by the
>   Nazi legions.
>
>   Gilbert's Notes:
>
>   <7> Testimony of Avraham Buchman: Eichmann Trial, 2 June 1961,
>       session 63.
>   <8> Ringelblum notes, 6 March 1940: Jacob Sloan (editor), Notes
>       from the Warsaw Ghetto: the Journal of Emanuel Ringelblum, New
>       York 1958, page 25.
>   <9> Testimonies of Arieh Helfgot, Nachum Perelman and Joseph
>       Grosfeld, Yad Vashem archive: Krakowski, 'The Fate of Jewish
>       Prisoners of War in the 1939 Campaign,' Yad Vashem Studies,
>       XII, Jerusalem 1977, pages 316-17.
>
>                           Work Cited
>
>   Gilbert, Martin. The Holocaust: A History of the Jews of Europe
>   during the Second World War. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
>   1985
>
>   Raven, Greg.  UseNet alt.revisionism.  Subject: "Auschwitz Myths
>   and Facts," December 18, 1994.  Message-ID:
>   
>
>   -----------.  UseNet alt.revisionism.  Subject: "Liberation of the
>   Camps: Facts vs.  Lies," December 20, 1994.  Message-ID:
>   
>
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
>      http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit


The Targeting of Polish Officials and Civilians


Numerous testimonies attest to the prominent role played by Jews in the 
militias and "revolutionary committees" that sprung up both spontaneously 
and at Soviet urging. These entities often played a decisive part in getting 
the new regime and its machinery of repression off the ground. Their 
activities were buttressed by large numbers of individual collaborators 
acting on their own initiative in furtherance of the Soviet cause.







The Bandits Took Charge

Throughout Eastern Poland, local Jewish, Belorussian and Ukrainian 
communists formed militias and "revolutionary committees". With the blessing 
of the Soviet invaders, they apprehended, robbed, and even murdered Polish 
officials, policemen, teachers, politicians, community leaders, landowners, 
and "colonists" (i.e. interwar settlers) - the so-called enemies of the 
people. They also plundered and set fire to Polish property and destroyed 
Polish national and religious monuments. Scores of murders of individuals 
and groups have been recorded.

Robbery of Polish property took on massive proportions with the spoils 
enriching the collaborators' families and their communities.

One of the earliest and most hideous crimes was the murder of almost as many 
as fifty Poles in the village of Brzostowica Mala, near Grodno around 
September 20, before the Soviets were installed in the area.









 Vicious Jews Killed A Polish Countess

A pro-communist band with red armbands and armed with blades and axes, led 
by a Jewish trader by the name of Ajzik, entered the village, dragged people 
out of their houses screaming, and cruelly massacred the entire Polish 
population. The victims included Count Antoni Wolkowicki and his wife 
Ludwika, his brother-in-law Zygmunt Woynicz-Sianozecki, the county reeve and 
his secretary, the accountant, the mailman, and the local teacher. The 
victims of this orgy of violence were tortured, tied with barbed wire, 
pummelled with sticks, forced to swallow quicklime, thrown into a ditch and 
buried alive.

The paralyzed Countess Ludwika Wolkowicka was dragged to the execution site 
by her hair. The murder was ordered by Zak Motyl, a Jew who headed the 
"revolutionary committee" - composed of Jews and Belorussians - in 
Brzostowica Wielka.





 Typically, the culprits were never punished. On the contrary, the NKVD 
officers praised them for their "class-conscious" actions, and Ajzik was 
made the president of the local cooperative. The racist aspect of the crime, 
however, is undeniable - only members of the Polish minority perished at the 
hands of their non-Polish neighbours.

Janusz Brochowicz-Lewinski, an officer cadet who attained the rank of 
corporal in 1939, was captured by the Soviets near Stolpce. He was one of 
fifteen Poles, among them a judge, a pastor, a chaplain, a teacher, and 
several civil servants, taken before an NKVD tribunal in groups of five and 
sentenced to death. Fortunately, his group managed to escape while being 
transported to their unknown execution site. The other ten condemned Poles 
were executed by firing squad.

Judges, Policemen, Teachers Were All Killed

While Brochowicz-Lewinski was imprisoned in Stolpce, an NKVD officer made 
the rounds in the company of his aide, a local Jew who identified the 
members of the Polish educated class, now the so-called enemies of the 
people, among whom he had lived for years, by their occupation: judge, 
teacher, policeman, civil servant, forest-ranger, landowner.









 Killed Catholic Priests

Equally despicable were the murders of Catholic clergymen carried out by 
roving gangs of Jews and Belorussians such as that of Rev. Bronislaw 
Fedorowicz, the pastor of Skrundzie near Slonim, and those of Rev. Antoni 
Twardowski, pastor of Juraciszki, near Wolozyn, and the latter's cleric, the 
Jesuit Stanislaw Zuziak.

A rabble of pro-Soviet Jews and Belorussians came to apprehend Rev. Jozef 
Bajko, the pastor of Naliboki near Stolpce, intending either to hand him 
over to the Soviet authorities or to possibly lynch him (as had been done in 
other localities). A large gathering of parishioners foiled these plans, 
allowing Rev. Bajko to escape before the arrival of the NKVD.






Henryk Poszwinski, the prewar mayor of Zdzieciol, a town near Nowogrodek, 
described the new order in his town:

... In Zdzieciol, a Jewish woman by the name of Josielewicz stood at the 
head of the revolutionary committee which was organized even before the 
arrival of the Soviet army.









 Jews Executed Polish Police

The local police left town just after the Red Army had crossed the border. 
On the evening of September 17, I was informed that a band of criminals 
released from jail was getting ready to rob some stores. I called a meeting 
of the fire brigade and civilian guard and these two organizations began to 
provide security in our town. The stores were spared but the [criminal] 
bands attacked the defenceless civilians, who were escaping eastward from 
the Germans. The culprits stripped them of their clothes, shoes and anything 
else they had on them. Those, who resisted, were cruelly killed on the spot. 
Outside the town, roadside ditches were strewn with dead people.



... The revolutionary committee, which soon disarmed the fire brigade and 
civilian guard, stood by idly while all this was taking place.
In the morning hours of September 18, a small detachment of the Polish army 
still traversed Zdzieciol. It was a field hospital team transported in a 
dozen or so horse-drawn carriages. The convoy consisted of thirty soldiers 
led by a sergeant. The revolutionary committee attempted to stop and disarm 
them. The soldiers discharged a volley of gunfire into the air. The 
revolutionary committee ran out of town in a stampede and hid in the 
thickets of the municipal cemetery.
... In the afternoon hours of September 18, the Soviet army entered 
Nowogrodek. That evening the first three Soviet tanks arrived in Zdzieciol. 
The entire revolutionary committee, headed by Josielewicz, came out to greet 
the invaders shouting: 'Long live the great Stalin!' After a short stop the 
tanks moved toward Slonim. The revolutionary committee ordered owners to 
display red flags from their houses. The Poles cried like children as they 
tore the white portion off the [white and red] Polish flags.
... In the morning hours of September 19, a Jew from the revolutionary 
committee came to the town hall and advised me that I was being summoned by 
the committee to attend a meeting concerning an epidemic of foot-and-mouth 
disease which had broken out among some cattle that had been brought to 
Zdzieciol. Believing what I had been told to be true, I immediately got up 
>from my desk and accompanied that man to the headquarters of the committee 
located at the other end of town. I had to wait about an hour before I was 
taken to the chairwoman's office. During that time I observed the true 
picture of the "revolution". Hundreds of people surrounded the committee 
premises; most of them were women who had broken out in tears and were 
wailing. 'Return our stolen property!' they cried. 'Release our husbands and 
fathers of our children!'
... People who had been badly beaten occupied the corners of the room; most 
of them were refugees fleeing the Germans. The committee members, who were 
dressed in civilian clothes with red armbands and had Soviet stars on their 
hats, carried rifles or revolvers in their hands and competed with each 
other in brutally mistreating these people. It was a sight that I had 
difficulty countenancing.
After about an hour's wait the door was thrown open and I was summoned into 
the chairwoman's office. When I entered I noticed three rifle barrels 
pointed at me. One of the bandits yelled, 'Hands up!' I raised my hands and 
turned to the chairwoman. 'What have I done wrong? Why are you treating me 
like this?' Although she knew Polish well, Josielewicz replied in Russian, 
'You will find out in due course'.
After being searched [and stripped of all my personal effects] I was 
instructed to move toward the table occupied by Josielewicz, the chairwoman, 
and by a Soviet NKVD officer. The officer removed a form from his bag and 
started to complete it. ... The last portion of the form asked for the 
reason for my arrest and imprisonment. Before filling it out, the NKVD 
officer turned to the chairwoman and asked what to enter. The chairwoman 
replied, 'He's a Polish officer, a Polish patriot, the former mayor of the 
town. That's probably reason enough'. The NKVD officer wrote in this 
portion: 'Dangerous element'.
After filling out this form, three committee members escorted me to police 
detention. In a small detention room built to hold no more than four people 
for a short period, there were twenty-three people who had been arrested. 
Unable to sit down in that crowded place, we had to stand one next to 
another the whole time. People fainted from lack of air and had to relieve 
themselves on the spot. Among those arrested were school principals, county 
reeves, village administrators, officials and various other people who had 
escaped eastward from the Germans, as well as a priest who often repeated 
under his breath, 'Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do'.
We spent almost an entire day in this place of detention. Finally, on 
September 20, we were put in a truck and taken to the jail in Nowogrodek. 
During the entire journey, which lasted more than an hour, we were lying on 
the floor of the truck used to transport coal while four Jews from the 
revolutionary committee watched over us with rifles in their hands. Every 
now and then one of them would warn us, 'Don't lift your heads, or you'll 
get a bullet in your skull'.
Along the road over which the truck moved slowly we encountered in many 
places Soviet artillery going in the opposite direction. Soviet soldiers 
would approach our vehicle during the stops and ask, 'Who are you carrying 
and where are you going?'
'We're taking Poles to the jail', the guards would answer.
'What have they done wrong?'
'They haven't done anything. It's enough that they're Poles!'
 



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news:1189117003.371637.3200@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 3, 2:11?pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>>  From the mouth of the horse!
>>
>>  >>The anti-Hitler protest movement culminated in a gigantic rally at
>> Madison Square Garden on March 27, 1933, organized by Rabbi Wise and the
>> American Jewish Congress. More than 55,000 protesters crammed into the
>> Garden and surrounding streets. Simultaneous rallies were held in 70
>> other metropolitan areas in the U.S. and in Europe.<<
>> JS
>>
>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Black.html
>>
>> Just weeks after Hitler assumed power on January 30, 1933, a patchwork
>> of competing Jewish forces, led by American Jewish Congress president
>> Rabbi Stephen Wise, civil rights crusader Louis Untermeyer, and the
>> combative Jewish War Veterans, initiated a highly effective boycott of
>> German goods and services. Each advanced the boycott in its own way, but
>> sought to build a united anti-Nazi coalition that could deliver an
>> economic deathblow to the Nazi party, which had based its political
>> ascent almost entirely on promises to rebuild the strapped German 
>> economy.
>>
>> The boycotters were encouraged by the early successes of their loud,
>> boisterous campaign, complete with nationwide protest meetings, picket
>> signs, and open threats to destroy Germany's economy if the Reich's
>> anti-Jewish actions persisted. Skilled organizing from unions, political
>> groups, and commercial trade associations carried the boycott's message
>> to every facet of American society and abroad. Depression-wracked
>> nations around the world quickly began to shift their buying habits from
>> the entrenched German market to less expensive, alternative goods.
>> *         *         *
>>
>> The anti-Hitler protest movement culminated in a gigantic rally at
>> Madison Square Garden on March 27, 1933, organized by Rabbi Wise and the
>> American Jewish Congress. More than 55,000 protesters crammed into the
>> Garden and surrounding streets. Simultaneous rallies were held in 70
>> other metropolitan areas in the U.S. and in Europe. Radio hookups
>> broadcast the New York event to hundreds of cities throughout the world.
>>
>> The boycott unnerved the Nazis, who believed that Jews wielded
>> supernatural international economic power. They knew that in the past
>> Jews had used boycotts effectively against Russian Czar Nicholas II to
>> combat his persecution of Jews, and automaker Henry Ford to halt his
>> anti-Semitic campaign. Whether or not this new boycott actually
>> possessed the punishing power to crush the Reich economy was irrelevant;
>> what mattered was that Germany perceived the Jewish-led boycott as the
>> greatest threat to its survival--and reacted accordingly.
>>
>> Relentless in exploiting the Nazis' vulnerability, Rabbi Wise and the
>> other boycott leaders were determined to form one cohesive international
>> movement under the banner "Starve Germany into submission this winter."
>> But Hitler succeeded in averting this scenario by exploiting divisions
>> within world Jewry.
>>
>> The Nazi counteroffensive was launched at a secret meeting in Berlin,
>> just six months after the Nazis took power and at the height of the
>> anti-German boycott.
>
>
> Jesus Fuckin Christ, how many times does this shit get posted on here;
> unplug
> your head from your asshole JS. The bottom line is that what Hitler
> planned
> and "did" to the Jews in Europe goes beyond "wrong"; there isn't a
> word in
> language I think that describes what the Germans did to the Jews of
> Europe.
> Systematic extermination and schaudenfreude are obvious. But the pain,
> horror,
> terror and sufferring. Nothing can describe it. Not even Elie Wiesel.
> The
> bottom line was the boycott was not effective and it didn't stop
> Hitler and
> Nazi Germany from discriminating and persecuting them as well as
> forcing
> them to migrate and finally systematically killing them. But you're
> such
> a dull thick gutterhead you refuse to acknowledge the Holocaust.
>
> Michael Ragland
>

The Targeting of Polish Officials and Civilians


Numerous testimonies attest to the prominent role played by Jews in the 
militias and "revolutionary committees" that sprung up both spontaneously 
and at Soviet urging. These entities often played a decisive part in getting 
the new regime and its machinery of repression off the ground. Their 
activities were buttressed by large numbers of individual collaborators 
acting on their own initiative in furtherance of the Soviet cause.







The Bandits Took Charge

Throughout Eastern Poland, local Jewish, Belorussian and Ukrainian 
communists formed militias and "revolutionary committees". With the blessing 
of the Soviet invaders, they apprehended, robbed, and even murdered Polish 
officials, policemen, teachers, politicians, community leaders, landowners, 
and "colonists" (i.e. interwar settlers) - the so-called enemies of the 
people. They also plundered and set fire to Polish property and destroyed 
Polish national and religious monuments. Scores of murders of individuals 
and groups have been recorded.

Robbery of Polish property took on massive proportions with the spoils 
enriching the collaborators' families and their communities.

One of the earliest and most hideous crimes was the murder of almost as many 
as fifty Poles in the village of Brzostowica Mala, near Grodno around 
September 20, before the Soviets were installed in the area.









 Vicious Jews Killed A Polish Countess

A pro-communist band with red armbands and armed with blades and axes, led 
by a Jewish trader by the name of Ajzik, entered the village, dragged people 
out of their houses screaming, and cruelly massacred the entire Polish 
population. The victims included Count Antoni Wolkowicki and his wife 
Ludwika, his brother-in-law Zygmunt Woynicz-Sianozecki, the county reeve and 
his secretary, the accountant, the mailman, and the local teacher. The 
victims of this orgy of violence were tortured, tied with barbed wire, 
pummelled with sticks, forced to swallow quicklime, thrown into a ditch and 
buried alive.

The paralyzed Countess Ludwika Wolkowicka was dragged to the execution site 
by her hair. The murder was ordered by Zak Motyl, a Jew who headed the 
"revolutionary committee" - composed of Jews and Belorussians - in 
Brzostowica Wielka.





 Typically, the culprits were never punished. On the contrary, the NKVD 
officers praised them for their "class-conscious" actions, and Ajzik was 
made the president of the local cooperative. The racist aspect of the crime, 
however, is undeniable - only members of the Polish minority perished at the 
hands of their non-Polish neighbours.

Janusz Brochowicz-Lewinski, an officer cadet who attained the rank of 
corporal in 1939, was captured by the Soviets near Stolpce. He was one of 
fifteen Poles, among them a judge, a pastor, a chaplain, a teacher, and 
several civil servants, taken before an NKVD tribunal in groups of five and 
sentenced to death. Fortunately, his group managed to escape while being 
transported to their unknown execution site. The other ten condemned Poles 
were executed by firing squad.

Judges, Policemen, Teachers Were All Killed

While Brochowicz-Lewinski was imprisoned in Stolpce, an NKVD officer made 
the rounds in the company of his aide, a local Jew who identified the 
members of the Polish educated class, now the so-called enemies of the 
people, among whom he had lived for years, by their occupation: judge, 
teacher, policeman, civil servant, forest-ranger, landowner.









 Killed Catholic Priests

Equally despicable were the murders of Catholic clergymen carried out by 
roving gangs of Jews and Belorussians such as that of Rev. Bronislaw 
Fedorowicz, the pastor of Skrundzie near Slonim, and those of Rev. Antoni 
Twardowski, pastor of Juraciszki, near Wolozyn, and the latter's cleric, the 
Jesuit Stanislaw Zuziak.

A rabble of pro-Soviet Jews and Belorussians came to apprehend Rev. Jozef 
Bajko, the pastor of Naliboki near Stolpce, intending either to hand him 
over to the Soviet authorities or to possibly lynch him (as had been done in 
other localities). A large gathering of parishioners foiled these plans, 
allowing Rev. Bajko to escape before the arrival of the NKVD.






Henryk Poszwinski, the prewar mayor of Zdzieciol, a town near Nowogrodek, 
described the new order in his town:

... In Zdzieciol, a Jewish woman by the name of Josielewicz stood at the 
head of the revolutionary committee which was organized even before the 
arrival of the Soviet army.









 Jews Executed Polish Police

The local police left town just after the Red Army had crossed the border. 
On the evening of September 17, I was informed that a band of criminals 
released from jail was getting ready to rob some stores. I called a meeting 
of the fire brigade and civilian guard and these two organizations began to 
provide security in our town. The stores were spared but the [criminal] 
bands attacked the defenceless civilians, who were escaping eastward from 
the Germans. The culprits stripped them of their clothes, shoes and anything 
else they had on them. Those, who resisted, were cruelly killed on the spot. 
Outside the town, roadside ditches were strewn with dead people.



... The revolutionary committee, which soon disarmed the fire brigade and 
civilian guard, stood by idly while all this was taking place.
In the morning hours of September 18, a small detachment of the Polish army 
still traversed Zdzieciol. It was a field hospital team transported in a 
dozen or so horse-drawn carriages. The convoy consisted of thirty soldiers 
led by a sergeant. The revolutionary committee attempted to stop and disarm 
them. The soldiers discharged a volley of gunfire into the air. The 
revolutionary committee ran out of town in a stampede and hid in the 
thickets of the municipal cemetery.
... In the afternoon hours of September 18, the Soviet army entered 
Nowogrodek. That evening the first three Soviet tanks arrived in Zdzieciol. 
The entire revolutionary committee, headed by Josielewicz, came out to greet 
the invaders shouting: 'Long live the great Stalin!' After a short stop the 
tanks moved toward Slonim. The revolutionary committee ordered owners to 
display red flags from their houses. The Poles cried like children as they 
tore the white portion off the [white and red] Polish flags.
... In the morning hours of September 19, a Jew from the revolutionary 
committee came to the town hall and advised me that I was being summoned by 
the committee to attend a meeting concerning an epidemic of foot-and-mouth 
disease which had broken out among some cattle that had been brought to 
Zdzieciol. Believing what I had been told to be true, I immediately got up 
>from my desk and accompanied that man to the headquarters of the committee 
located at the other end of town. I had to wait about an hour before I was 
taken to the chairwoman's office. During that time I observed the true 
picture of the "revolution". Hundreds of people surrounded the committee 
premises; most of them were women who had broken out in tears and were 
wailing. 'Return our stolen property!' they cried. 'Release our husbands and 
fathers of our children!'
... People who had been badly beaten occupied the corners of the room; most 
of them were refugees fleeing the Germans. The committee members, who were 
dressed in civilian clothes with red armbands and had Soviet stars on their 
hats, carried rifles or revolvers in their hands and competed with each 
other in brutally mistreating these people. It was a sight that I had 
difficulty countenancing.
After about an hour's wait the door was thrown open and I was summoned into 
the chairwoman's office. When I entered I noticed three rifle barrels 
pointed at me. One of the bandits yelled, 'Hands up!' I raised my hands and 
turned to the chairwoman. 'What have I done wrong? Why are you treating me 
like this?' Although she knew Polish well, Josielewicz replied in Russian, 
'You will find out in due course'.
After being searched [and stripped of all my personal effects] I was 
instructed to move toward the table occupied by Josielewicz, the chairwoman, 
and by a Soviet NKVD officer. The officer removed a form from his bag and 
started to complete it. ... The last portion of the form asked for the 
reason for my arrest and imprisonment. Before filling it out, the NKVD 
officer turned to the chairwoman and asked what to enter. The chairwoman 
replied, 'He's a Polish officer, a Polish patriot, the former mayor of the 
town. That's probably reason enough'. The NKVD officer wrote in this 
portion: 'Dangerous element'.
After filling out this form, three committee members escorted me to police 
detention. In a small detention room built to hold no more than four people 
for a short period, there were twenty-three people who had been arrested. 
Unable to sit down in that crowded place, we had to stand one next to 
another the whole time. People fainted from lack of air and had to relieve 
themselves on the spot. Among those arrested were school principals, county 
reeves, village administrators, officials and various other people who had 
escaped eastward from the Germans, as well as a priest who often repeated 
under his breath, 'Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do'.
We spent almost an entire day in this place of detention. Finally, on 
September 20, we were put in a truck and taken to the jail in Nowogrodek. 
During the entire journey, which lasted more than an hour, we were lying on 
the floor of the truck used to transport coal while four Jews from the 
revolutionary committee watched over us with rifles in their hands. Every 
now and then one of them would warn us, 'Don't lift your heads, or you'll 
get a bullet in your skull'.
Along the road over which the truck moved slowly we encountered in many 
places Soviet artillery going in the opposite direction. Soviet soldiers 
would approach our vehicle during the stops and ask, 'Who are you carrying 
and where are you going?'
'We're taking Poles to the jail', the guards would answer.
'What have they done wrong?'
'They haven't done anything. It's enough that they're Poles!'
 



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 wrote in message 
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> On Sep 4, 12:19 am, "snow"  wrote:
>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.
>>
>> By Lenni Brenner
>>
>> Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>> movement
>> collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given the subsequent
>> Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be surprised and
>> appalled
>> that a political movement, which supposedly supported Jewish liberation,
>> was
>> prepared to collaborate with the most anti-semitic of regimes.
>>
>> Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous OStern Gang
>> Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir
>> offers
>> to join in WWII on Othe side of the German Reich¹. There is also the
>> embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the Nazis as fellow
>> nationalists and were thus sympathetic to OGerman national renewal¹, the
>> memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine as the guest of the 
>> Zionist
>> movement for 6 months.
>>
>> These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe of
>> the
>> Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour 
>> establishment
>> when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a willing paid
>> informer of
>> the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of the architects of the Final
>> Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also travelled to Palestine to liaise with
>> the
>> Zionists.
>>
>> These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the 
>> history
>> of
>> the political movement which founded the state of Israel is not quite 
>> what
>> it
>> seems.
>>
>> They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their 
>> precious
>> political movement, even if it means sacrificing several million Jews in
>> the
>> process, then exploiting their suffering to secure the greater goal of a
>> Zionist State.
>
>
> What's the source? Holman has already conceded the basic principle the
> article
> points out; the Nazis did collaborate with the Zionists for a while
> but that
> broke down. Now I want you to think very delicately and seriously "why
> are you
> here on alt.revision"? I'm not argiung it's not your right. I'm just
> curious
> why are you here?
>
> Michael Ragland
>

I agree that Zionists collaborated with Nazis but you make it sound that 
such evidence is insignificant, which is incorrect.  This is very important 
information. because World Bank who financed Hitler was in Zionists control 
and Zionists very significant influence over Hitler and wwII. 



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 wrote in message 
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> On Sep 6, 11:45 pm, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Is Ragland your new soldier McVay?
>> JS
>
> Ragland: You made unsubstantiated claims regarding the Holocaust and
> Jews. McVay went to
> to ask ask you to provide evidence and defend himself. Thus far you've
> failed too. I don't work
> for McVay; I'm not part of Nizkor team. I would also like you to
> answer the
> questions.

I had answered them numerous times and each time great scholar Ken McVay 
shined his light of wisdom and discredited my answers, which was expected 
>from someone of McVay's character.
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/914db84f279f16a4?as_umsgid=1100362628.KFN3aN/sOS61bJhFvmMJlw@teranews
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/browse_thread/thread/b721ceb098bfc379/914db84f279f16a4?#914db84f279f16a4

>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>> > In article <5yXDi.13371$3x.13...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> > snow  wrote:
>>
>> > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
>> > inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
>> > the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
>> > with documentary evidence.
>>
>> > Question 1:
>>
>> > On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>>
>> > 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>> > 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>> >    so called liberation."

http://www.geniebusters.org/915/04g_gas.html

>>
>> > Please document your claims.
>>
>> > Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> > "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>>
>> > Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
>> > gassings are a "myth."
>>

http://www.geniebusters.org/915/04g_gas.html

>> > Question 3:
>>
>> > On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
>> > could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
>> > whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>>
>> > Please document these claims.
>>
>> > Question 4:
>>
>> > On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
>> > that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically 
>> > anti-Semite."
>>
>> > Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
>> > I made such a statement.
>>
>> > Question 5:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> > you wrote:
>>
>> > "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
>> > speech
>> > rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent 
>> > the
>> > teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
>> > "Revisionism" -- and won."
>>
>> > Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by 
>> > Jews" as
>> > you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>>
>> >    Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
>> > Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
>> > In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
>> > 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
>> > hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
>> > anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
>> > a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
>> > Queen's Bench.
>>
>> >    Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
>> > qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
>> > ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
>> > ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
>> > taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
>> > Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
>> > chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
>> > ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
>> > to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
>> > deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
>> > expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
>> > and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>>
>> >    Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
>> > Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
>> > a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
>> > the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
>> > expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
>> > the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
>> > defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
>> > the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
>> > dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
>> > tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
>> > Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
>> > The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
>> > it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>>
>> >    The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
>> > Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
>> > Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
>> > Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
>> > (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
>> > Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
>> > intervened in support of striking down the impugned
>> > legislation.
>>
>> > Question 6:
>>
>> > In article , you wrote:
>>
>> > "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are 
>> > written by
>> > Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>
>> > Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
>> > "Holocaust
>> > supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>>
>> > Question 7:
>>
>> > On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> > "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
>> > Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
>> > deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>>
>> > "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
>> > companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
>> > didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>>
>> > Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
>> > involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
>> > owners."
>>
>> > Question 8:
>>
>> > On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
>> > supporting
>> > articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>>
>> > Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include 
>> > a
>> > comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
>> > authors,
>> > and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
>> > Jewish organizations."
>>
>> > Question 9:
>>
>> > On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
>> > who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
>> > the forefront of such edits."
>>
>> > Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
>> > being in the "forefront of such edits."
>>
>> > Question 10:
>>
>> > On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>>
>> >> Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>> >>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>>
>> > ...and...
>>
>> >> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>> >> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could 
>> >> cash
>> >> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools 
>> >> of
>> >> propaganda)
>>
>> > Let's visithttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/and see what we
>> > find, shall we?
>>
>> > Inhttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find 
>> > the Polish
>> > Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
>> > Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
>> > Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
>> > their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
>> > and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
>> > hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
>> > the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
>> > as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
>> > Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>>
>> > Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what 
>> > "Nizkor says."
>>
>> > In the filehttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02we 
>> > find
>> > Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
>> > about
>> > half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>>
>> > Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
>> > what "Nizkor
>> > says."
>>
>> > In the filehttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
>> > Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
>> > estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>>
>> > (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
>> > notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
>> > he was lying - again.)
>>
>> > The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
>> > dead), while the
>> > IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>>
>> > The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
>> > written by
>> > Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 
>> > passed
>> > through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
>> > sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
>> > hanging,
>> > or being shot."
>>
>> > Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the 
>> > victims were Jews.
>>
>> > Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>>
>> > "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this 
>> > article
>> > (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of 
>> > the
>> > transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
>> > appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
>> > determine
>> > if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>>
>> >> KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>> >> associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could 
>> >> cash
>> >> in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools 
>> >> of
>> >> propaganda)
>>
>> > Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
>> > now that they have been exposed.
>>
>> > Question 11:
>>
>> > In article , on August 
>> > 15,
>> > 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
>> > pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>>
>> > Please document when and where any of my children have
>> > made such statements or admit you cannot.
>>
>> > Question 12:
>>
>> > In article , posted on
>> > August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>>
>> > "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."- 
>> > Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -...
>>
>> read more »
>
>
> 


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>
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
> news:V1BEi.138302$fJ5.91008@pd7urf1no...
>>
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:G7OdnUOZmfgAT3_bnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4iAEi.140204$rX4.63337@pd7urf2no..
>>> .
>>>> There you go Matty. Truth does not need protection but you lies do.
>>>
>>> No, the truth of history does not need protection.
>>
>> You are right Holocaust Fabrications need protections.
>
> The only Holocaust fabrications I know of come from deniers, old fool
>
>> It would be a total disaster if anyone finds out all the facts.
>
> People already know the facts, stupid. And they certainly wouldn't get 
> them from an old Nazi like you.
>
> --
> Philip Mathews

There aren't many facts. All you have for your holohaux is couple of eye 
witnesses and survivors who managed to write books full of myths and 
fantasy, while hundreds others who survived were silenced and never got to 
do any interviews or write books. Also you have beaten testimony of Rudolf 
Hoess. These are all the facts that Holoaux supporters use while it is a 
needle in the haystack and majority of documents are locked by the 
governments and then by the pro-holocaux institutions.

You said it yourself that anti-semitism is on the rise. I am not sure if the 
figure includes anti-zionism and anti-israelim but people see through Jewish 
mentality and manipulations, especially the young generations are able to 
see that the holocaux myth is build on lies and deception and then is used 
to put Jews in the good light and as the victims. 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>
>> There you go sucker what is your real name.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
> I believe it's "Richard Warren," old Nazi.

Richard Warren is not an old Nazi, today we call them neonazis so Richard 
Warren is a neonazi.

>
>
>>
>> "Richard Warren"  wrote in message
>> news:1pJEi.1611$Ic3.1461@trndny09...
>> >
>> > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
>> > news:oeFEi.139917$fJ5.113883@pd7urf1no...
>> >> The guy exists look it up here. And it is also affect that he fired 
>> >> some
>> >> his editors because they did not obey his orders not to print anything
>> >> that buts Israel into a bad light.
>> >>
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzy_Asper
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The village idiot of Kitimat , judging by his response, cannot read for
>> > comprehension (no suprise there).  The village idiot of Kitimat also
>> > doesn't know what "citation needed" means.
>> > Of course, the village idiot of Kitimat has never used a documented
>> > citation because all his "facts" are pure b.s.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Kurt Knoll.
>> >> Where exactly do I lie.
>> >>
>> >> "george"  wrote in message
>> >> news:1189283875.081742.24260@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> On Sep 9, 3:59 am, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here is what and how some of things work. We have here a Ozzie Asper
>> >>>> Who own
>> >>>> most of the Canadian major news papers and also television networks. 
>> >>>> He
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> profound Jewish an will do anything to protect Israel. A few years 
>> >>>> ago
>> >>>> he
>> >>>> did issue a directive to all his news paper editors "Not to print
>> >>>> anything
>> >>>> that could but Israel into a bad light. As the editors fired by him 
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> being politically correct. Now use your lyrics and see if you can
>> >>>> change
>> >>>> this facts. Your brain is already fucket up and you are beyond 
>> >>>> healing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Utter BS kurtsie.
>> >>> Completely and utterly racist and wrong.
>> >>> Can I refer you to the incident where Israeli agents were using
>> >>> Canadian passports.
>> >>> The uproar throughout the Canadian media was total and immediate...
>> >>>
>> >>> You cannot get away with your lies and nazi 'fact' sheets in here..
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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 wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>>  wrote in message 
>> news:1189057703.796922.158950@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 4, 12:19 am, "snow"  wrote:
>>>> 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.
>>>>
>>>> By Lenni Brenner
>>>>
>>>> Lenni Brenner has collated documents that relate to how the Zionist
>>>> movement
>>>> collaborated with German Nazism and Italian Fascism. Given the 
>>>> subsequent
>>>> Holocaust against the Jews by the Nazis, many will be surprised and
>>>> appalled
>>>> that a political movement, which supposedly supported Jewish 
>>>> liberation,
>>>> was
>>>> prepared to collaborate with the most anti-semitic of regimes.
>>>>
>>>> Among the documents is the relatively well known and infamous OStern 
>>>> Gang
>>>> Proposal¹ in which the organisation of future Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir
>>>> offers
>>>> to join in WWII on Othe side of the German Reich¹. There is also the
>>>> embarrassing documents of the German Zionists who saw the Nazis as 
>>>> fellow
>>>> nationalists and were thus sympathetic to OGerman national renewal¹, 
>>>> the
>>>> memoirs of an SS officer who stays in Palestine as the guest of the 
>>>> Zionist
>>>> movement for 6 months.
>>>>
>>>> These acts of collaboration were not limited to the right wing fringe 
>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>> Zionist movement but went to the heart of the Zionist Labour 
>>>> establishment
>>>> when the head of the Haganah, Feival Polkes, became a willing paid
>>>> informer of
>>>> the Gestapo. He was even handled by one of the architects of the Final
>>>> Solution, Adolf Eichmann, who also travelled to Palestine to liaise 
>>>> with
>>>> the
>>>> Zionists.
>>>>
>>>> These shocking historical documents will make you realise that the 
>>>> history
>>>> of
>>>> the political movement which founded the state of Israel is not quite 
>>>> what
>>>> it
>>>> seems.
>>>>
>>>> They also prove that Zionists will do *anything* to protect their 
>>>> precious
>>>> political movement, even if it means sacrificing several million Jews 
>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>> process, then exploiting their suffering to secure the greater goal of 
>>>> a
>>>> Zionist State.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's the source? Holman has already conceded the basic principle the
>>> article
>>> points out; the Nazis did collaborate with the Zionists for a while
>>> but that
>>> broke down. Now I want you to think very delicately and seriously "why
>>> are you
>>> here on alt.revision"? I'm not argiung it's not your right. I'm just
>>> curious
>>> why are you here?
>
>> I agree that Zionists collaborated with Nazis but you make it sound that 
>> such evidence is insignificant, which is incorrect.
>
> No, the fact is insignificant because only "some" Zionist organizations 
> worked with the Nazis and that was merely to secure the emigration rights 
> of German Jews to rescue them from the Nazis.
>
> This hardly constitutes "collaboration" as anyone who understands the term 
> would know.
>
> --
> Philip Mathews

If you were a little bit more intelligent you would know that you need money 
to go to war and Germany wasn't much different. Hitler's Germany secured 
loans from central and world banks. These banks were privately owned by 
Jews.
So another question would be, why would Jews sponsor Hitler when Hitler 
committed such acts on the Jews.? I believe 50 facts about Nazis and 
Zionists working together would constitute COLLABORATION. 



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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:53:43 -0400

The Radical Homosexual Movement Is Run By Jews
Here is an exhaustive list proving, once and for all, that the radical 
homosexual movement in the United States is a Jewish movement. Jews created 
it and run it from top to bottom. They are pushing the perversion and 
degeneracy that is spreading disease, sin and sickness through America like 
a wildfire.


Larry Kramer -- co-founder of "Act Up," a homosexual/AIDS activist 
organization; co-founder of the Gay Men's Health Crisis

Alan Klein -- co-founder of group ACT UP, co-founder of group Queer Nation, 
National Communications Director and chief spokesperson for the Gay & 
Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD]. Klein also co-founded the 
successful multimedia campaign STOPDRLAURA.COM

Arnie Kantrowitz -- co-founder of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against 
Defamation [GLAAD].

Jonathan D. Katz -- founded and chairs the Harvey Milk Institute, the 
largest queer studies institute in the world. A long time queer political 
activist, was a co-founder of Queer Nation, [the key San Francisco branch].

Harvey Fierstein -- film actor [Mrs. Doubtfire]; well-known gay activist.

Moisés Kaufman -- playwright and film director [The Laramie Project].

Israel Fishman -- founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus in 1970 [now known as 
the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered Round Table of the American 
Library Association], the world's first gay professional organization.

Bella Abzug and Edward Koch -- both Jewish -- the first members of the U.S. 
House of Representatives to introduce legislation banning discrimination 
based on sexual orientation [1974].

Winnie Stachelberg -- political director, Human Rights Campaign [HRC]

Michael S. Aronowitz, The New York Log Cabin Republicans.

Tony Kushner -- gay activist; Tony and 1993 Pulitzer Prize-winning 
playwright [for Angels in America, 1992].

Len Hirsch -- president of the GLBT federal government employees group, 
GLOBE.

Meg Moritz, Ph.D. -- a Director and member of the Executive Committee of 
GLAAD.
Barbara Raab -- an NBC-TV producer; a "Jewish lesbian feminist journalist, 
writer."

Charles Kaiser [?] -- author & founding member of National Lesbian and Gay 
Journalists Association [NLGJA].

David Goodstein -- owner/publisher of the gay magazine The Advocate 
[1975-1985]; co-founder of the National Gay Rights Lobby.

Judy Wieder -- Editor-in-chief, The Advocate gay magazine.

Alison Bechdel [?] -- cartoonist creator and author of the bi-weekly comic 
strip "Dykes to Watch Out For."

Kevin Koffler -- Editor-in-chief, Genre gay magazine.

Garrett Glaser -- National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association [NLGJA] 
national board member.

Ronald Gold -- reporter for Variety; a leader in the fight to overturn the 
American Psychiatric Association's policy that homosexuality is an illness.

Magnus Hirschfeld [d. 1935], early gay rights activist in Germany; founded 
one of the first gay rights organizations, the Scientific Humanitarian 
Committee; coined the term "transvestism"; fled Nazi Germany.

Fred Hochberg -- deputy administrator, U.S. Small Business Administration; 
co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign [HRC].

Michael Berman -- member, Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors. Mitchell 
Gold -- HRC Board Marty Lieberman -- HRC BoardAndy Linsky -- HRC BoardDana 
Perlman -- HRC BoardAbby Rubenfeld -- HRC Board Andrew Tobias -- HRC Board 
Lara Schwartz -- Senior Counsel, HRC Heather Wellman -- HRC Field 
Coordinator Dan Furmansky -- HRC Senior Field Organizer, West Sally Green --  
HRC Associate Field Director

Rick Rosendall [?] -- President, Gay & Lesbian Activists Alliance of 
Washington, DC.

Barney Frank -- member of U.S. Congress; helped create non-discriminatory 
employment policies in all U.S. federal agencies

Kerry Lobel -- executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task 
Force.

Robin Margolis, American coordinator of the Bi Women's Cultural Alliance and 
author [Bisexuality: A Practical Guide].

Evan Wolfson, Senior Staff Attorney, Lambda Legal Defense and Education 
Fund -- and -- the executive director of Freedom to Marry.

Jennifer Einhorn -- Communications Director, Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against 
Defamation [GLAAD] Nancy Alpert [?] -- Treasurer, GLAAD Judy Gluckstern --  
Board of Directors, GLAAD.Stephen M. Jacoby -- Board of Directors, 
GLAAD.Matt Riklin -- Board, GLAADCarol Rosenfeld -- Board, GLAAD.William 
Weinberger -- Board, GLAAD Tanya Wexler -- Board, GLAAD. David Huebner --  
GLAAD Counsel.

Richard Goldstein -- Village Voice writer on gay culture and politics

Ron Schlittler -- Director of Field & Policy, Parents and Friends of 
Lesbians and Gays [PFLAG].

Craig Ziskin -- Deputy Director of Development, PFLAG.

Debra Weill -- Senior Field & Policy Coordinator, PFLAG.

Dody Goldstein -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

David Horowitz -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Shawn Frank -- Board of Directors, PFLAG.

Leon Weinstein -- Chair, Nominating Committee, PFLAG.

Kate Kendell [?], National Center for Lesbian Rights.

Gayle Rubin -- lesbian author/activist.

Hilary Rosen -- a founding member of the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund; 
former board co-chair of the Human Rights Campaign.

Roz Richter, American attorney and activist.

Bob Kunst -- long-time activist in gay and Jewish causes.

"Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network" [GLSEN]. Board co-chairs: Marty 
Seldman, president

"National Gay & Lesbian Task Force" [NGLTF]. Board co-chairs: ..... Rachel 
Rosen in Santa Fe, N.M Dave Fleischer -- Director of Training [political 
training], NGLTF. Craig Hoffman -- Board of Directors, NGLTF. Beth Zemsky --  
Board, NGLTF. Marsha C. Botzer -- Treasurer, NGLTF. Jeff Levi -- first, Levi 
was NGTF's lobbyist, early 1980s [NGTF became NGLTF in 1985]. Later, he was 
NGLTF executive director.

Bill Rubenstein, J.D. '86, developed the ACLU Lesbian and Gay Rights Project

Martin Duberman -- author/historian; founded the Center for Lesbian and Gay 
Studies at the City University of New York.

Ben Schatz '81, J.D. '85, is executive director of the Gay and Lesbian 
Medical Foundation.

Kevin Schaub, American; Executive Director and Dean of the Harvey Milk 
Institute in San Francisco, the world's largest center for queer studies.

Sarah Schulman [1958- ], American playwright, novelist, and activist [one of 
the founders of the Lesbian Avengers, a direct-action lesbian rights 
organization].

Susan Spielman -- principal/head of Common Ground, an education/consulting 
firm specializing in workplace sexual orientation education; her company has 
worked with hundreds of U.S. organizations, helping them to implement 
domestic partner benefits plans; co-author of the book Straight Talk About 
Gays in the Workplace.

Gertrude Stein -- wrote the first openly lesbian novel, "Q.E.D.," in 1903, 
but it was only published posthumously in 1950.

Rikki Streicher (1925-1994), American activist and businesswoman.

Michael Goff -- founded Out magazine in 1992.

Paulette Goodman -- founder of local chapter [Washington D.C.] of PFLAG and 
served as President of the National PFLAG organization from 1988-1992.

Jeffrey Newman, American, president and COO of the Gay Financial Network; 
president and CEO of out.com.

Jim Levin -- New York gay historian.

Barrett Brick -- GLAA [Gay and Lesbian Activists Alliance] Treasurer.

Robin Tyler -- American comedian [born Arlene Chernick] who was the first 
openly gay comic in North America; Tyler is also an activist who was the 
stage producer for the first three gay marches on Washington and the 
national protest coordinator for the "Stop Dr. Laura" campaign; she produces 
women's comedy and music festivals, and operates a lesbian travel-tour 
company.

Dr. Bruce Voeller [1935?-1994] [?] American gay rights activist, molecular 
biologist, physiologist, and AIDS researcher (pioneer in the use of 
nonoxynol-9 as a spermicide); cofounder and first executive director of the 
National Gay Task Force; creator of the Mariposa Foundation [an AIDS 
prevention research organization].

Mark Elderkin [?] -- co-founded Gay.com.

Leroy Aarons -- American professor, journalist, and founder of the National 
Gay and Lesbian Journalists Association (1990).

Dr. Donald I. Abrams -- American physician, HIV expert, medical marijuana 
researcher, and past president of the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association.

Johnny Abush (1952-2000) -- [Canadian]; archivist of the International 
Jewish GBLT Archives.

Roberta Achtenberg [1950- ]; civil rights lawyer and federal official; 
appointed as Assistant Secretary for Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity by 
President Bill Clinton in 1993.

Miriam Ben-Shalom [1948- ], American Army Reserves drill sergeant and gay 
activist; in 1986 she won a ten-year legal battle with the Reserves when a 
court ordered her reinstatement; founder of the Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual 
Veterans Association [GLBVA] in 1990, serving as its first president.

Larry Brinkin, American gay activist who brought the first domestic 
partnership lawsuit [against Southern Pacific Railroad, 1982].

Rob Eichberg, American psychologist, co-creator of National Coming Out Day 
[October 11th].

Scott Evertz, American; in April 2001, President Bush appointed him to serve 
as the Director of the White House Office of National AIDS Policy [ONAP].

Gene Falk [?, Jewish name], American business executive; Senior Vice 
President of the Showtime Digital Media Group; part of the team that 
launched and marketed the U.S. TV series Queer as Folk; Chair of the Board 
of Directors of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Surina Kahn -- American lesbian activist.

Larry Kessler -- founding director in 1983 of the AIDS Action Committee of 
Massachusetts, the largest AIDS support organization in New England.

Kathy Levinson -- American investor and philanthropist; serves on the board 
of PlanetOut; also on NGLTF Board of Directors.

Judith Light -- actress, activist for gay causes.

David Mixner -- gay activist, political consultant; co-founder of the 
Municipal Elections Committee of Los Angeles [MECLA], a group of wealthy 
gays and lesbians who became influential in local politics; president Bill 
Clinton's Special Liaison to the Gay-Lesbian Community.

Dan Savage -- American author of gay-themed books [The Kid: What Happened 
After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant; Skipping Towards 
Gomorrah: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Pursuit of Happiness in America] and 
gay-themed- sex-advice columnist [Savage Love].

Susan Schuman, American executive vice-president and general manager of the 
Planet Out gay and lesbian online service.

Scott Seomin, American entertainment media coordinator for the Gay & Lesbian 
Alliance Against Defamation [GLAAD].

Jason Serinus [Jay Guy Nassberg] -- founder and coordinator of the Lavender 
Healing Network; a former gay activist with the New York chapter of the Gay 
Liberation Front.

David Sine [?] -- American CEO of C1TV, the first U.S. gay and lesbian cable 
TV network.

Rex Wockner -- longtime gay, American journalist who has reported news for 
the gay press since 1985.

Jack Fritscher -- became Editor in Chief of Drummer gay magazine [1977].

Leslie Feinberg [1949- ], American trade unionist, transgender activist and 
author [Transgender Warriors: Making History from Joan of Arc to RuPaul].

Allan Ginsburg - late Jewish poet and leading member of North American Man 
Boy Love Association
 



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How the Anti-Defamation League
Controls its Opposition

Case History: 2004 Duke University Palestine Solidarity Conference

By Charles E. Carlson

The Anti-Defamation League is one of the most aggressive protectors of 
Jewish and Israeli interests.  Its name is an oxymoron, for the ADL does its 
work almost exclusively through the practice of defamation and intimidation. 
Oddly, its seems bent on protecting tens of millions of professing 
Christians from finding out that they are actually practicing secular 
Judaism, or Pharisaism, as Christ called it.  They irrationally support 
Israel's occupation and prison wall agenda in Palestine.  We Hold These 
Truths and this writer have recently found ourselves a front row center 
target of an Anti-Defamation League attack. (Link1)  It defamed us to 
obscure our message from the students, why Judaized Christians are Israel's 
most radical cheerleaders.

"Christian Zionism" (Judaized Christianity) was to be one of the workshop 
offerings at the Palestine Solidarity Movement Conference at Duke 
University, and this writer was asked to be a primary presenter.  But a week 
before the conference was to take place, the ADL became involved, whereupon 
the student leaders removed "Christian Zionism" from the agenda and withdrew 
their invitation for Carlson to participate in the conference.

There is evidence that the ADL manipulated and probably intimidated the 
student committees through the Anti-Racist-Action Network (ARA) to remove 
the one topic that would expose Judaized Christianity, the ADL's primary 
sacred cow, and the handmaiden of world Zionism.  WHTT's program reveals how 
self-defeating it is for professing Christians to carry out world Zionist 
aims.  This is a good reason for the ADL not to like it.

The purpose of this paper is to help our friends learn how to identify their 
allies and keep others at arm's length.  It is an object lesson for 
Palestinians and indeed for all Muslims, and for anyone else who considers 
it a moral imperative to save the lives of the remaining Philistines, and 
tear down the obscene wall, paid for with our own money.  Your author is a 
friend of the Philistines, the truly pro-Palestine students, and Duke 
University, because all are the underdogs, and all need our support.  This 
paper is not a criticism of any of these parties or their efforts.In order 
to remove Christian Zionism as a workshop topic, the ADL chose to defame We 
Hold These Truths and its founder.  It is no surprise to be targeted by the 
Anti-Defamation League; in fact, we're surprised it took them so long to put 
WHTT on their front page.  The ADL has mentioned us on its website from time 
to time; the last time was when we wrote in support of Mel Gibson's film, 
"The Passion."  ADL President Abe Foxman used to be on our weekly mailing 
list (we do not know how he got there), but he removed himself some months 
ago, we are sorry to say.This writer's first experience with the ADL came 
almost six years ago.  It proved to be a height of arrogance I had not seen 
before in my years.  I was seated at the head table at a small luncheon and 
could not help but notice a man across from me, who, during most of the 
speech, ignored the speaker and even his own lunch, while reading from one 
of several Journals I had written.  He read intently with undisguised signs 
of agitation.  I learned from others he was a local lawyer who had signed in 
under the name of Friedman.   A few nights later, to my surprise, the same 
Friedman called me at home and introduced himself, explaining he was a 
volunteer for a national organization whose task it was to watch over the 
actions of a list of organizations that included newly formed We Hold These 
Truths.  Friedman identified Grand Canyon University as another of the 
organizations he monitored, and over which he said, proudly, he had 
considerable influence, even though he was a Jew and they were a Baptist 
college.  Friedman then referred to my various articles featured in the 
Journals he had digested and made this amazing statement that I could never 
forget:"We can not allow you to continue to print this kind of thing."

Friedman was talking about hard copy articles, all of which are still 
available today on our website.  In them, I had written critically about 
those who are now called "Christian Zionists" (a term that did not exist 
then), and U S Foreign aid to Israel.  One was entitled Using Christians to 
Make War.  Another was The Warmakers' Attack on Religious Fundamentalism 
("Warmakers" being a synonym then for what are today's Neo-Cons).  Others 
were America's First War of Aggression (Iraq 1991), Missionaries, 
Mercenaries, Missiles and Money, the Untold Story of the War on the Children 
of Sudan, and One Nation Under Israel, an exposé of Israeli influence over 
our Congress.

Friedman's words made it clear that by "we," he meant the unnamed 
organization that I learned the next day was the Anti-Defamation League, and 
that his manner meant he considered it within his power to prevent me from 
writing, though he never suggested how.  He seemed to fully expect me to 
comply with his suggestion, and repeated more than once, "We can not allow 
you to continue to print this kind of thing."

I offered to make factual corrections of any untrue statements Mr. Friedman 
or his organization could find but told him I did not feel like giving up my 
work, as he suggested.  Mr. Friedman responded that they had no interest in 
editing my work.  He even called a second time, again at night, to see if I 
had changed my mind.  This is terrorism, ADL style.  Surveillance and 
confrontation followed by veiled intimidation, is how it starts.  The ADL's 
audacious demand elevated the value of my work in my own eyes, and Mr. 
Friedman's arrogance convinced me I would need a new media to distribute any 
ideas worth their salt.  Our Board decided a printed journal could not go 
far enough, due to established censors like the ADL and the controlled 
press.  Instead, WHTT began to reach out on the infant Internet, which we 
have used ever since.Looking back at my first writings, I can see why the 
ADL operative might want to censor titles like The Warmaker's Attack on 
Religious Fundamentalism and Attacking Islam.  While these said little 
directly about Israel or Jews or Zionists, much was said about Judaized 
Christians.  These articles began an exposure of Israel's surrogate 
Enablers -- the Judaized Christian Church -- who supported and made possible 
the implementation of Israel's entire public policy.Sadly, the students at 
Duke allowed their program to be diluted.  This became inevitable when they 
first allowed Jewish anti-Zionist members into their decision-making 
committees; no doubt they did so to avoid the label "anti-Semitic" and to 
add respectability.  It is a formula that usually backfires.The ADL has also 
defamed the Palestine Solidarity Movement (PSM) members, whom it manipulated 
into transforming their conference into a seminar on "divesture."  In a 
future issue we will discuss divesture as a winning or losing tactic. 
However, divesture is a financial solution to a moral problem, therefore it 
has limited value.   Not everyone with moral values has money to withdraw 
>from Israel.  Israel will obtain its entire budget to build a $9 billion 
prison wall around the West Bank Palestinians from the American taxpayer, 
via the Bush Administration in just one year.  This is the money that must 
be divested, and everyone has an interest in it.  The Judaized Christian 
vote keeps Israel afloat.We applaud and support the few mainline churches 
including the Presbyterians (PCUSA) who have denounced Israeli treatment of 
the Palestinians.  Theirs is a giant and courageous step forward in the name 
of Christian values.  The Anti Defamation League is cranking up the pressure 
on the PCUSA in response.  National Director Abraham Foxman went into orbit 
when on October 21, 2004, when the Presbyterian leaders listened to 
Hizbullah's side of the story in Palestine.  This is exactly what Christians 
should do, seek the truth and hear all sides. But The ADL is attempting to 
paint the PCUSA as "terrorist" sympathizers because they talked to 
Palestinian resistance leaders.  Again, we see the ADL tactics repeated. 
(link2)  The ADL used its well-known system of observe, infiltrate, and 
intimidate, and finally divide and control. The students yielded to the ADL's 
smear of Carlson.  PSM affiliates were also responding to pressure from a 
second radical "anti-racist" group known for its violence--Anti-Racist 
Action--a member of the PSM. (link 3)  The ARA repeated almost the exact 
words the ADL in denouncing this writer, and the students accepted its 
judgment.When one considers Mr. Friedman's boldness and understands that 
intimidation and defamation are the ADL's methods of preventing any speech 
that is negative toward Jews, Israel, or Zionism, or any of their allies, 
however truthful it might be, then it is not hard to see why 21-year old 
students--especially Arab students, might yield to pressure from the likes 
of Mr. Friedman and his Anti-Defamation League.  These students are already 
profiled as likely or potential terrorists and have reason to fear based on 
what they have seen and heard.Not only did the Palestine Solidarity Movement 
withdraw their invitation to Carlson... they removed entirely the most 
important agenda item on their schedule -- Christian Zionism. Unless one 
understands Christian Zionism, there is no way to understand the power 
structure that has made and will continue to make life and peace for the 
Palestinians impossible.  Without understanding it, it will not be changed, 
which is what the ADL wants.

STUDENTS ARE DISCREDITED BY ADL

As soon as the student leaders helped discredit Carlson they found 
themselves examined by the ADL for signs of "terrorists."  In an article 
entitled Duke University: Next Target of Anti-Israel Activists, (Link 1) 
the ADL profiled each Arab leader of PSM, quoting minutiae from their own 
writings, shaded in terrorist tones.  Groping for anything, they even quoted 
>from letters to the editor.  One dangerous "anti-Zionist" Jewish student 
gained his stripes by throwing a pie at an Israeli leader.

Curiously, the same article failed to quote a single word from WHTT.org or 
Carlson.  You would think we had never written anything!  The WHTT website 
contains over 100 articles by Carlson, with no less than 21 specifically 
referencing the Anti-Defamation League and many more making references to 
Israel and Zionism.  There is even a four-part series on the so-called 
suicide bombings!  Surely the ADL could have found something there to quote 
>from the WHTT.org website.  As Mr. Freidman let me know years before, the 
ADL does not want people to go there.  Here are some of the ADL 
denunciations in its statements on October 5th:

"Charles E. Carlson, co-founder of We Hold These Truths, an Arizona-based, 
conspiracy-oriented anti-Semitic group"

"Carlson's group also arranges anti-Israel protests and demonstrations in 
the Southwest."

(Project Strait Gate is a mission activity that holds vigils for peace at 
some of the largest Judaized Christian churches and meetings from coast to 
coast, which the ADL could have pointed out, is detailed on the WHTT 
website...but they didn't.)

"[Carlson] has spoken at white supremacist gatherings organized by groups 
ranging from the neo-Nazi National Alliance to the Holocaust-denying 
Institute for Historical Review."

The ADL made no mention of what Carlson said at these alleged gatherings. 
The Institute for Historical Review posted Carlson's speech for anyone who 
wants to listen to it.  Surely if this speech was such a crime, the ADL 
should have been able to find something juicy to quote from it.  But no, 
they didn't quote a phrase.  That speech contains the same material to be 
presented at the Duke seminar. (Link 4)

The students, especially the Palestinians probably knew enough not to be 
influenced by the ADL.  I suspect they were influenced instead by the two 
Jewish "anti-Zionists" on their Board.  It is one thing for Jewish students 
to resist the wanton killing of Palestinians and it is another to defy the 
Rabbi or the ADL.

To further discredit the students and Duke University, on October 12 the 
Israeli "Hate BUS 19" (link 5) was driven onto the Duke campus and parked in 
front of the University Chapel.  The purpose of this bombed-out hideously 
decorated gift from Israel is to graphically portray every Palestinian who 
resists Israel as a maniacal advocate of child-killing.  Anti-Palestinian 
organizers then brought on Neo-Con Daniel Pipes to further discredit the 
Palestinians in a story entitled Duke University's Weekend Hate Fest. (link 
6)

LESSON FOR SURVIVAL

American Palestinians and all Muslims need to learn to identify their 
friends from their enemies based on logical objectives and moral values. 
Jesus was referring to Pharisee leaders when he warned, "be not unequally 
yoked with disbelievers."  Until Palestinians learn this lesson, their 
people will perish by American-made weapons.

We remind anyone who is foolish enough to judge WHTT based on who we talk to 
instead of what we say, that Jesus was twice recorded giving major lectures 
to prostitutes.  WHTT is a group of mostly Christ followers that has a 
message for everyone, especially non-Christians.  Time and money permitting, 
we talk to any organization that gives us a fair audience.  The "notorious" 
Institute of Historical Review was quite constructive to this speaker, and 
most listeners seemed to absorb every word.  Several ended up helping us.  I 
am grateful that they recorded my speech because it exposes the ADL for what 
it is - - a practicing word-terrorist group that resorts to lies and 
intimidation to advance its plot to liquidate Palestinians and any other 
group that stands in their way.

The students sadly have no idea what it means to allow the ADL axis to 
dictate who can and who cannot speak to their group.  They fail to realize 
the anti-skinhead, Anti-Racist-Action Network, which talks and acts like 
Bolsheviks, is closer to the ADL than it is to themselves.  The PSM has its 
"Mr. Friedman" inside their group, planted there to wreck
its agenda.  American Palestinians need to know this.

WHAT WHTT IS DOING TO HELP

Many have sent letters to the students trying to warn them.  I will be 
posting some of these wonderful and insightful letters, which should be 
helpful to the PSM.

We have e-mailed our report, Israeli Hate-Bus Tours Churches, which we have 
studied in detail, to 9000 Duke University students and faculty, local 
pastors, religious leaders, media and others in Durham, NC.  All the 
addresses were collected by volunteers.

A follow up broadcast will be made of the article Judeo-Christians' Role --  
Mr. Sharon's Final Solution. (link 5)  Later we will send this article and 
others about Judaized Christianity (one at a time) to many additional 
leaders worldwide.

We have decided to make a Power Point presentation over the Internet.  The 
Source of our War Problems: Why Judaized Christians Cannot Demand Peace, 
will soon be available to anyone worldwide who want to see it.  A year old 
version of "Chuck's Speech" can be heard in audio on our homepage.

Our efforts have been made possible by individual gifts.  We thank those who 
have helped.  Let us know if you can help with money or work.  Cash is 
faster; labor is more permanent; we need both, and will use them well.

Links to articles:

Duke University: Next Target of Anti-Israel Activists

Church group meets Hizbullah

Anti-Racist-Action Network (ARA)

Carlson audio on Judaized Christianity

Israeli Hate-Bus Tours Churches

Judeo-Christians' Role-- Mr. Sharon's Final Solution

 



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One Less Than
Six Million

by Mark Glenn



It was the event of the 20th century, at least according to the history as 
written by the conquerors. It has pervaded Western thinking and morals for 
over 50 years now, and those in the West (particularly in America) are not 
spared a day wherein they are not reminded of its importance. It is the 
subject of literally hundreds of films, from Schindler's List to Sophie's 
Choice to the obligatory programs appearing on public television. It has 
been raised in the consciousness of the Christian West as the ultimate act 
of savagery and brutality, an act that has never and will never be surpassed 
in its inhumanity. It has become the grain of sand around which the black 
pearl of collective guilt has been formed, and it is the weapon whose 
brandishment elicits the Pavlovian response of a conditioned populace whose 
sentiments are used for the furtherance of public policy. It has become the 
new religion for many, a blank check for a few, a slavemaster to others, and 
it is known as the Holocaust.

Not since the 2,000 years following the Crucifixion of Christ has such 
infamy been placed on a single event. Whereas the murder of Christ by the 
leadership of Israel formed the basis around which the religion of 
Christianity would be formed, now the murder of the decendants of those 
leaders at the hands of those professing to be Christians has supplanted 
what was the religion which helped to create Western Civilization. In some 
countries it is illegal to challenge the dogmas of this new religion, and in 
other countries where it may still be legal, an individual engaging in any 
scholarly study that wanders outside the parameters which have been rigidly 
established by the High Priests of Holocaustism is sure to be victim to an 
inquisition of sorts. It may result in something as dramatic as losing one's 
livlihood or even losing one's life. One thing is for certain though, which 
is that there will be Hell to pay for the individual who jeapordizes the 
ground which the bludgeon of Holocaustism has gained for Israel and for the 
interests of Marxist Zionism. To lessen the seriousness of the crime, to 
cause others to forget what plight and tragedy happened to its victims is to 
commit a capital offense which will be avenged at any cost. To bring it into 
relative terms, showing its diminutive stature in comparison to the 
Holocausts authored by the other siblings within the Marxist family results 
in one being branded an enemy of the people. To cause others to deflect 
their attention towards the plight of others, to cause them to shift their 
gaze towards injustices wrought against someone else is a mortal sin of the 
highest order. To reduce its size by even one less than six million will 
result in organized fits of apoplexy of the most maniacal version, and 
understandably so, particularly when it becomes apparent what is to be 
gained and what is to be lost because of it. It is the goose which lays the 
golden egg, the key which locks and unlocks all gates to the centers of 
power for those who brandish it, and it is as feared in intellectual circles 
today as was a knock on the door in the middle of the night in Stalin's 
Russia. Presidents, kings, writers, academicians and all others who occupy 
some position of importance in the effluent society of the formerly 
Christian West today bow their intellects reverently, if not fearfully, 
towards this golden calf, dutifully acknowledging in the process that they 
owe their lives and livlihoods to his good graces. But in all respects, the 
entire process is wrought with hypocrisy, which is the only genuine article 
that can be found in the whole sordid affair.

The ugliness of this particular brand of hypocrisy can be said to be such 
not only in its inherent sense of dishonesty, but also due to the contempt 
with which it holds its victims. In its application it betrays the fact that 
the perpetrators consider the rest of humanity to be so stupid as to be 
easily fooled by their sense of false values by which they have gained their 
ascendency and respectability. Clearly, for Christians, this discussion 
should have particular importance, particularly when considered within the 
context of the dramatic events which surrounded their Messiah and the 
Pharisaical hypocrisy which he so clearly condemned. And if today's world 
can be said to be infected in a full blown way with this particular 
virulency known as hypocrisy, then verily it reveals itself in the religion 
that has been formed around the suffering of Hitler's victims, (and in 
particular the Jews) during the Holocaust. Even its title, Holocaust 
(meaning sacrifice) carries with it the implication that the crime of 
murdering the Ashkenazim lambs of Europe serves as a replacement and 
anti-type to the murder of the Lamb of God around whom the religion of 
Christianity has been formed. In essence, the final solution which the 
proselytizers of the new religion of Holocaustism have sought and nearly 
accomplished has been the replacement and reconfiguring of Western morality 
so as to be in allignment with the agenda of Israel, as well as in silencing 
dissent towards her actions. There are several tragedies which are 
associated with this new religion, one of which is that those who were 
Hitler's victims, who suffered and deserve what is a rightly earned sense of 
compassion from history and from humanity have been made showpieces in a 
spectacle which has defiled and degraded the solemnity and seriousness of 
their plight. The badge of honor which they earned by virtue of the 
nightmare that was inflicted upon them, a badge which they justly deserve to 
wear has been, due to the adventurism and ambitiousness of the more 
profligate among them, tarnished and made to appear cheap. The other victim 
of this tragedy, and probably the most serious aspect of the whole affair, 
can be said to be the assault on the intellectual process which formulates 
public policy, and in particular in America. The daily reminder to American 
Christianity concerning what is alleged to be its collective guilt is like 
the proverbial salt rubbed into the wound of American intellectualism, and 
as such has rendered her without the ability to think reasonably as regards 
her policies in the Middle East, and in particular Palestine. The results 
are, needless to say, tragic on several levels.

In the first case, the suffering of the Palestinian people, now almost a 
century long in its duration, has been completely cast aside as a necessary 
evil in redressing the crime committed by the National Socialists of 
Hitler's Germany. In such a way, the pimps of Holocaustism (manifested in 
the out-in-front/in your face stance of those who shape American sentiments 
towards Israel and by default public policy) have revealed what are the 
undeniable dogmas upon which their new religion is founded. For them, the 
fact that the murder of six million, or six thousand, or sixty million, or 
whatever number in actuality it is, takes on a more sober, somber, serious 
tone when it happens to fall upon their particular group reveals in and of 
itself what are the racist, exclusivist, self-absorbed sentiments which form 
the operating ideologies of their agenda. In their insistance, (particularly 
with regards to the Holocaust of Nazi Germany) to focus only on the 
suffering of the Jewish people, grabbing the limelight as it were from the 
others who proportionally suffered more (including those who were Christian 
and who have received little if any attention) exemplifies what is on their 
part an irrational mindset which forms the philosophical underpinnings of an 
agenda which they attempt to masquerade as a religion of morals. The fact 
that hundreds of movies have been made by an entertainment industry (for 
decades now firmly in the hands of Zionist interests) and as of yet there 
have been few if any movies made which depict the horrors of Stalin's death 
camps or what was endured by the Christians at the hands of Jewish 
Bolshevism in relatively the same time period exemplifies what are 
sentiments rooted in self-absorbed racial narcissism of Titanic proportions. 
The message which is constantly pounded into the conscious and subconscious 
intellect of Western (and in particular American) Christianity is one of 
shameful reflection, which amidst all the films, lectures, books, museums 
and whatnot all revolve around a set of fixed questions:

How could you do this? How could you let this terrible thing happen? Where 
are your morals? Where is your sense of compassion? Where is your decency? 
If this event, the killing of six million Jews at the hands of Christians is 
but the logical outcome of a religion which is anti-Semitic in its essence, 
perhaps then you should abandon such a religion, and choose instead to work 
out your penance for such an infamous act by raising up our suffering as the 
ultimate act of inhumanity, and consider no other for all eternity.

If these individuals, the pimps and whores who worship the golden calf of 
the Israeli state and her agenda were truly the humanitarian individuals 
they pretend to be (a pretension which they effect by their condemnation of 
Hitler's atrocitites) they would not single out those instances in which 
they suffered, but would instead condemn all human suffering, including 
those Holocausts which they or their kin have authored. How conspiculously 
silent are their voices when a discussion takes place concerning the 
holocaust of 50 million Russians at the hands of Jewish Bolsheviks, as well 
as the Holocausts which they have effected against the peoples of the Middle 
East. Were the the peddlers of Holocaustism genuine in their sentiments, if 
they were truly possessed of the humanity which they have accused the rest 
of the world of not having, then they would abandon what has been the 
welfare system of human sentimentality, a process of exploiting in a 
parasitical way the good will of American Christianity and its willingness 
to make reparations for the suffering of Hitler's victims. For the rest of 
the world not under their spell, the real lesson of all the Holocausts of 
the 20th Century has not been lost. To the rest of the world not held under 
the spell of the magicians of Holocaustism, the lesson learned has been that 
irrespective of whether atrocities were committed by Marxist Christians in 
Germany or by Marxist Jews in Russia does not matter, but rather that the 
blood of humanity which has been rendered so worthless does not appreciate 
or depreciate in value in accordance with its racial origin. As such, for 
the gangsters at the ADL, JDL, AIPAC, JINSA, and all the other crime 
families of Marxist Zionism whose job it is to elevate the Jewish blood shed 
in WWII to a level of superiority over all others, (and in particular over 
that blood which their cousins in Israel shed in Palestine) betrays what are 
the detestable traits found in the practitioners of master race ideology, an 
ideology which they in perfect hypocritical fashion condemn in others who 
oppose their agenda. And as sickening as such convoluted and contradictory 
logic is, it is worse when considered that many of the individuals who make 
the pretense of fighting for the interests of their people, individuals who 
have been inflicted with what is best termed racial narcissism have 
themselves been willing participants in bringing to bear the same Holocaust 
whose historical importance they now use as a vehicle for their own 
enrichment and empowerment.

"The antisemites will become our most loyal friends, the antisemites nations 
will become our allies." (One Palestine Complete, p. 47)

For those who have been given an extra sized serving of Holocaust History 
over the period of the last 4 decades, the above quote would appear to have 
originated with Hitler or one of his fellow travellers. In its initial 
appearances, one can imagine a group of Nazi thugs whispering amidst winks 
and nods to each other about the "Final Solution" that would rid them of all 
their problems and fulfill all their sick, racist daydreams. The reality of 
the matter, however, is that its origin resides with the godfather of the 
Zionist movement, Theodore Herzl.

The reader should not be surprised to see that Herzl, (considered by many in 
modern Jewry to be a greater savior of the Jewish people than Moses himself) 
would author such sentiments. His statement reveals what has historically 
been a secretly nursed hatred for the Jewish people which has been 
entertained by those occupying positions in their leadership for the last 
2,000 years. Historically, they are individuals who have schemed and plotted 
for their own benefit, using those under them as stepping stones in their 
ascent to power. Whether their leadership has been religious or secular in 
nature, they have over the centuries of the Diaspora planted the seeds of 
suffering which would later blossom into the same anti-semitic presecutions 
by which they have advanced their power. Tragically, those who have drunk 
>from the poisoned well of Zionist Marxism and who have elevated men like 
Herzl and others to positions of sainthood and respectability do not realize 
what an injustice they are doing to themselves and those who follow after 
them. If the members of modern day Jewry were truly concerned with isolating 
what have been the root causes of their persecutions and suffering, they 
would then come to the undeniable conclusion that it has been their 
leadership which has been the source of their suffering for the last 2 
milleniae. From the Pharisees of the Sanhedrin to the Pharisees at the ADL, 
it has been the racist, exclusivist mindset entertained by those in 
leadership positions which have been the cause of friction between Jew and 
Gentile which has led to anti-Semitism. Being that, historically speaking, 
persecution of the Jewish people has been good for business for the likes of 
Herzl and others, therefore it should come as no surprise to find them 
rubbing their hands greedily in expectation of what has been for them a 
reliable source of enrichment and propagandistic revenue. And as diabolocal 
as such scheming appears to be when it exists merely in the theoretical 
stages, more so is it when it is moved from the drawing table to the 
production line, for in addition to those who theorized, such as Herzl, 
there are those as well who were directly responsible for the same suffering 
and persecution which has become the lifeblood of the Holocaust religion. 
Besides those ardent Zionists who helped finance Hitler's rise to power 
(exemplified by Jewish banking interests, including those of the Warburgs, 
Rothshields, and others) more dastardly is the history of those who refused 
to help those Jews who were suffering under the Holocaust as it was 
occurring.

"About the cries coming from your country, we should know that all the 
Allied nations are spilling much of their blood, and if we do not sacrifice 
any blood, by what right shall we merit coming before the bargaining table 
when they divide nations and lands at the war's end? For only with blood 
shall we get the land."

The cold, calculating, ambitious words of the above quote illustrate what 
was the willingness of Zionist Marxism to participate in the suffering of 
the Jews for the purpose of furthering their cause. These demonic sentiments 
are none other than those which were annunciated by representatives of the 
World Zionist Congress, the most powerful Zionist group in the world at the 
time. It was a response sent to Michael Ben Weissmandl, a Rabbi who, after 
being taken prisoner by the Nazis in Slovakia, worked out an arraingement 
with his captors for the release of tens of thousands of Jews upon payment 
in the amount of $50,000.00 to officials of the Third Reich. The response he 
received from Nathan Shwalb, representative of the World Zionist Congress, 
clearly shows what was a deliberate effort on the part of Marxist Zionism to 
participate in the suffering of European Jewry for the purposes of 
increasing their leverage and power. In addition to this, it has been 
chronicled with equal clarity the cooperation that took place between the 
Third Reich and the leaders of the Zionist movement for the transfer of 
almost 1 million Jews to the now infamous death camps in return for the 
release of a few thousand who were ardent followers of Zionism and 
considered to be good prospects for the future state of Israel. In addition 
to these and other nauseating depictions of betrayal and duplicity, the 
history of the event also reveals what was the involvement of Zionism in 
acts of terrorism and murder, manifested in bombings of Synagogues and 
assassinations against anti-Zionist Jews, acts which were then exploited for 
their propagandistic value in driving Jews into the protective, loving arms 
of Zionism.

The instances of Jewish leaders executing violence and subterfuge against 
their own for the purposes of furthering the interests of Zionism are too 
numerous in number to discount. And as surely as Hitler's remaining henchmen 
were rounded up and subjected to the justice of the Nuremburg Trials, so too 
should have been those individuals who held the seats of power in the 
Zionist organizations and who (for the purposes of consolidating power among 
themselves) conspired to subject world Jewry to the now infamous instances 
of inhumanity and suffering. And yet, these historical accounts and many 
others of similar stripe are conspicuously not mentioned when the ghouls who 
operate the ADL, JDL, and other organs of espionage and propaganda for 
Israel's benefit maintain what has become a state of hightened hysteria 
concerning the ever looming spectre of anti-Semitism and its history. And if 
a seldom mentioned history has now indicted those individuals who have acted 
as cannibals upon the suffering of their own people, reducing their victims 
to a state of sub-humanity who are of no worth outside of that which brings 
political power, it should then be easy to see how the same individuals 
would be willing to inflict misery upon those not of their own family as 
well.

It is within this context therefore one comes to grasp what is the 
sickeningly apparent reality concerning the peddlersof Holocaustism and the 
disciples over whom they hold sway. The picture which is fleshed out in 
clearly discernable images is one of duplicity, avariciousness, and 
hypocrisy of Apocalyptic proportions. The truth is that the lessons of the 
Holocaust have been lost on these individuals, and their presence in the 
dialogue concerning human rights and persecution is as out of place as would 
be the presence of the Klu Klux Klan in a forum concerning the civil rights 
of African Americans. As such, society must conclude that all their public 
displays of outrage over inhumanity and suffering are nothing more than 
scripted words that have no sincerity behind them, which is revealed not 
only in the history of what they have done to their own, but as well in the 
racial hatred they have nurtured against the Palestinians whom they view as 
impediments to their ascent to power.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." --Rabbi Yaacov 
Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994

"May the Holy Name visit retribution on the Arab heads, and cause their seed 
to be lost, and annihilate them." It is forbidden to have pity on them. We 
must give them missiles with relish, annihilate them. Evil ones, damnable 
ones." During a sermon preceding the 2001 Passover holiday by the 
influential Israeli Rabbi Ovadia Yosef: Ha'aretz April 12, 2001

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs." Israeli Prime Minister 
Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, New Statesman, June 25,1982.

"...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be 
Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already 
reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my 
diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. 
>From "Israel: an Apartheid State" by Uri Davis, p. 5.

"The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder 
and their life is preferable." Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever 
Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus. He was later quoted in praise 
of the infamous machine-gunning to death of 40 Palestinian worshippers by 
Baruch Goldstein, that it was "a fulfillment of a number of commands of 
Jewish religious law...Among Goldstein's good deeds, as enumerated, 
are...taking revenge on non-Jews, extermination of the non-Jews who are from 
the seed of Amalek...and the sanctification of the Holy Name."

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came 
and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." Golda Meir, 
in a statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June 1969.

In the post Holocaust age of sensitivity to political speech that even 
whiffs slightly of what is the ugliness of racist sentiments, the fact that 
members of Israel's ruling classes are and have been able to utter such 
abominations and not be called to account for them betrays what is the 
hypocrisy which flows like rivers through the veins of today's Zionist 
organizations. More outrageous is the fact that these same individuals who 
have brought themselves to the centers of political power by riding atop the 
waves of condemnation for the inhumanity of Nazi racism are willing to 
embrace the very same Beast which they now make a show of despising. In the 
above quotes, (which are but a small sample of what exists) a simple 
rearraingement of the wording to indicate that the authors were Germans 
talking about Jews would have resulted in world-wide condemnation by the 
very same Zionist organizations who today have enshrined and lionized those 
among them who were bold and brash enough to voice the same sentiments in 
public. To simply designate this as hypocracy is not sufficient, for in 
reality it is criminal, and on the scale that deserves the same condemnation 
>from history as was showered upon those who were the infamous henchmen of 
the Third Reich.

The statements, as ugly as they and the sentiments which they betray are, 
can be said to be merely the tip of the iceberg when compared to the actions 
which have accompanied them since the birth of Zionism. The list of war 
crimes perpetrated by the New Third Reich, Israel, wrought against the 
peoples of the Middle East are crimes which date back to the early years 
immediately following the Balfour Declaration up to the present, and are 
clear examples of a nation and its people who are afflicted with the same 
poison of race-conscious Marxism as existed in Nazi Germany. In the same 
manner as the deluded people of Germany sat back and justified the actions 
taken by their government with regard to the extermination of the state's 
enemies, in like manner so do the citizens of Israel and her supporters 
abroad in their justification of Israel's extermination of the Arab peoples 
who dare to sit on the land which was given to them by divine mandate 2000 
years ago. Today's disciples of Zionist butchery, who have made as a pillar 
in their discipleship the condemnation of the defense given by the German 
people following WWII that "if only we had known, something would have been 
done," cannot make the same claim concerning the plight of the Palestinians 
whose concentration camp existence is visible for all to see today. In 
allowing the men, women and children of Palestine to be degraded to the 
status of untermenschen as were many of the present inhabitants of Israel in 
WWII Europe, they have ignored what were the lessons which history has 
painstakingly sought to impart upon humanity concerning racism and the 
persecution which inevitably accompanies it. In such a manner, by 
facilitating the extermination of the "cockroaches" and "beasts" of 
Palestine as well as subjecting them in the meantime to a daily life of 
sickness, starvation, violence and fear, they spit on the graves of all 
those who perished in the Holocaust at the hands of thugs who worked in 
concert for the furtherance of bloody Marxism, whether it was in the form of 
Nazism or Zionism.

Those who today are riding atop the Beast known as Marxist Zionism, and who 
imagine themselves as occupying a place of such power that is impervious to 
defeat should think again. This hypocricy which manifests itself by those 
who are forced and pretend to worship Israel and her people, (as personified 
by those nations of non-Jewish lackeys who today bow reverently before the 
history of their suffering) is a tenuous and transitory condition. With this 
in mind, everyone involved who has, for the purposes of furthering the 
interests of Israel, exploited the event known as the Holocaust and the 
infamy that it represents should recognize that at some point the clock will 
run out on them, and along with that their luck. Being that everyone 
involved has by virtue of their self interested motives long ago shed any 
sense of honesty or integrety, (be it in their words, deeds, or sentiments) 
it can be therefore safely said that their sentiments are unreliable at 
best. Given that today's policies which are propped up by what is in reality 
a forced sentimentality towards the people of Israel and her suffering means 
that at some point the world will abandon those sentiments which are not 
rooted in genuine concern. As such, the wider the war becomes between Israel 
and her enemies, the more havoc which is wrought upon the world as a result 
of her beligerent behavior, the less willing will her supporters in gentile 
nations be willing to run to her defense. And with this in mind, those who 
use the charge of anti-Semitism and the suffering of the victims of the 
Holocaust as a bludgeon to silence critics of Israel should recognize that 
inevitably the value of their currency, (the charge of anti-Semitism) will 
eventually lose all its purchasing power, at which point they will then be 
left to the tender mercies of those whom they have bullied now for 5 decades 
with its use.

Let the world hear no more from the mouths of the Zionist organizations who 
bewail the death of six million Jews and at the same time cheer the 
Holocaust of the Arabs in the Middle East. They have demonstrated themselves 
by such contradictory sentiments to be the dregs of humanity, without an 
ounce of the same decency which they accuse their critics of not having, an 
absence of which they attempt to conceal by their pretended condemnation of 
Hitler's atrocities. In truth the tears they pretend to shed over the murder 
of millions in WWII might as well be tears of joy for all the sincerity that 
is behind them. In their insistance upon elevating the suffering and 
well-being of their cousins in Israel over the rest of the peoples in the 
Middle East (and in the rest of the world, for that matter), they have 
revealed themselves to be vampires and ghouls without an ounce of soul left 
in them, dispossessed of the qualities of compassion and justice which 
separate man from beast. In their insistance upon sanctifying the violence 
and duplicity with which the humanity of the Middle Eastern peoples is 
violated, denying in the process the existence of their suffering and 
misery, the High Priests of Marxist Zionism have become carbon copies of the 
same Holocaust deniers whom they castigate today through their effective 
infrastructures of propaganda. In the meantime, the world might as well 
prepare itself for the new era which is quickly approaching as a result of 
Zionism's hatred for mankind, an era in which will be asked the same 
questions concerning the Holocaust of the Arabs (Muslim and Christian) as 
were asked concerning the Holocaust of the Jews:

How could you? How could you just sit by and do nothing? Where is your 
humanity? Where is your decency?

At which point the world, condemned by its foolishness in allowing the 
vampires of Marxist Zionism to again drown humanity in its own blood will 
have to sit there, unable to say anything in its defense other than "I was 
just following orders." If it should be said that the lessons of the 
Holocaust should be reduced to one, all encompassing, non-discriminating 
dictum, it is that human suffering at the hands of a group of thugs who 
stand to gain by such suffering is a crime. The type of blood which flows in 
the veins of brutality's victims should not have an exchange rate attached 
to it by virtue of which race it designates. The one truth that should be 
enshrined forever in monuments and movies should be that misery which has 
been authored by racism or political ambition is a crime anywhere and at 
anytime. And with this in mind, those who would raise the importance of 
Jewish suffering over the suffering of others should be seen as the frauds 
that they are, and therefore let the world disregard without hesitation all 
the feigned sentimentality that they make in their passionate yet 
disingenuous condemnation of crimes against humanity.

As for the rest of the world, it should begin the long overdue abandonment 
of the system of weights and measures which it has adopted with regards to 
human suffering. Such a system is nothing more than a convoluted violation 
of the laws of decency, a backwards attempt to quantify and qualify human 
suffering through the use of maniacal formulae, genetic calculations and 
other methods of junk science. The followers of such a system, despite their 
perceived power and respectability, are by definition nothing more than 
academecians in the now defunct Flat-Earth Society who deserve neither 
consideration no respect. Amidst their outrageous exhortations for the 
execution of violence upon all those whom they have deemed to be "beasts 
walking on two legs," instead let what remains of humanity understand that 
blood is red everywhere, without any respect paid to the veins which carry 
it.

As such, let the world finally rid itself of the sickness of racism which 
has been the author of so much suffering. Let humanity once and for all 
drive a wooden stake into the heart of all political thought which embraces 
the heresy of master-race ideology, and let mankind finally grasp the 
reality that all holocausts and institutions of human suffering are vile, 
even those which bear the distinction of being one less than six million.
 



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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:29:07 -0400

The more I read about you, the more of an asshole you seem to be. Simple 
search on Google with your name will get all the dirt on you. There was one 
positive information I found, It was your age. It seems that you are in you 
are in your late 60s which means death is around the corner for you. We all 
hope you will die peacefully and soon.
BTW, do you have Alzheimer  because you seem to forget a lot of information 
and keep repeating same old crap day after day?

"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13e7a0252mr1ib4@corp.supernews.com...
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
>      http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>

Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
>from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
>from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32  showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect  that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are set
out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that the
few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absence
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"

Professional holocaust believers have admitted that the "gas chamber"
which is shown to the tourists at Auschwitz was actually built by the
allies after the war was over. This is what they wrote:
Brian Harmon  wrote in article
<080620000051136373%harmon@msg.ucsf.edu>...
"You're confusing Krema I with Kremas II-V.  Krema I is a
reconstruction,  this has never been a secret.  Kremas II-V are in
their demolished state as they were left."
Charles Don Hall  wrote in article
<8F4CB71B7NukuNuku@news.erols.com>...
"Certainly not! The word "fake" implies a deliberate attempt to
deceive.
"The staff of the Auschwitz museum will readily explain that the Nazis
tried to destroy the gas chambers in a futile attempt to conceal their
crimes. And they'll tell you that reconstruction was done later on. So
it would be dishonest for me to call it a "fake". I'll cheerfully
admit that it's a "reconstruction" if that makes you happy."
They admit that the "gas chamber" shown to the tourists at Auschwitz
was built by the allies after the war was over. There is no physical
evidence that the Germans had gas chambers.  No bodies of people who
died from gas have been found. The Communists were the first to enter
the camps. How do the other allies know the Communists didn't blow up
the buildings? Then they could claim that these demolished buildings
used to be gas chambers.






> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
>      http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit 



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Answers
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/914db84f279f16a4?as_umsgid=1100362628.KFN3aN/sOS61bJhFvmMJlw@teranews
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/browse_thread/thread/b721ceb098bfc379/914db84f279f16a4?#914db84f279f16a4

"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
>      http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit 



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>
>
>
> SWC News Items
>
> August 20, 2007
>
> WIESENTHAL CENTER PRAISES SENIOR POLISH MEP FOR CANCELING DELEGATION'S
> PARTICIPATION IN ANTI-ISRAEL CONFERENCE
>
> Center says other European Parliamentarians should "refuse to be part
> of this one-sided travesty that serves the forces of hate, not peace."
>
> The Simon Wiesenthal Center today praised Bronislaw Geremek, President
> Emeritus of the Polish Parliament and a current member of the European
> Parliament, for pulling the Polish delegation from the United Nations
> International Conference of Civil Society in Support of Israeli-
> Palestinian Peace to be held next week at the Parliament headquarters
> in Brussels. Despite its title, the Conference has no representation
> from Israel or Jewish NGOs.
>
> In a letter to Gorembek, Dr. Shimon Samuels, Director for
> International Relations for the Wiesenthal Center, praised the Polish
> delegation's decision saying the conference organizers only seek the
> European Parliament's endorsement for what he says is "a campaign of
> vilification and the ultimate elimination of the State of Israel."
>
> "The hatemongers and antisemites behind this conference deserve the
> total contempt of the European community," said Samuels. He urged Mr.
> Garembek and his Polish colleagues to help convince other members of
> the 28-state body to join the boycott.
>
> "Other European Parliamentarians should follow the lead of the Polish
> delegation and refuse to be a part of this one-sided travesty that
> serves the forces of hate, not peace," concluded Samuels.
>
> The Simon Wiesenthal Center is one of the largest international Jewish
> human rights organizations with over 400,000 member families in the
> United States. It is an NGO at international agencies including the
> United Nations, UNESCO, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe.
> For more information, contact the Center's Public Relations
> department, 310-553-9036.
>
>
>
> SWC News Items
>
> August 14, 2007
>
>
>     REACTING TO LATEST CARNAGE IN IRAQ, WIESENTHAL CENTER CALLS ON
> WORLD COMMUNITY TO DECLARE SUICIDE TERROR 'A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY'
>
> Center says, "International community must apply the full weight of
> international law to hold accountable all those who promote, validate
> and abet suicide terror."
>
> In wake of the latest suicide bombing attacks today that killed at
> least 175 and wounded hundreds more in northern Iraq, the Simon
> Wiesenthal Center renewed its call to the international community to
> declare all suicide terror as crimes against humanity. "The
> international community must apply the full weight of international
> law to hold accountable all those who promote, validate and abet
> suicide terror," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the
> Center. "Today's mass murder is appalling, but we can only expect the
> casualty rate among targeted innocent civilians to exponentially
> increase as terrorists increase their access to better technology and
> weaponry," he added.
>
> Since 2003, the Simon Wiesenthal Center has led a campaign to have
> suicide bombings declared a 'Crime Against Humanity'. The goal of the
> campaign is to create a legal tool for victims to go after sponsors
> and those who inspire this deadly culture of mass murder worldwide.
> Since the campaign's launch, Center officials have sifted through the
> bombed-out remains of synagogues with Turkey's Chief Rabbi in
> Istanbul, conferred with His Holiness Pope John Paul II at the
> Vatican, lobbied the European Union and Foreign Ministers from Madrid,
> to Ottawa, to Buenos Aires.
>
> "So long as religious figures can promote such behavior with impunity,
> innocent people of all faiths will continue to pay the price of the
> scourge of our time," Cooper concluded.
>
>
> The Simon Wiesenthal Center is one of the largest international Jewish
> human rights organizations with over 400,000 member families in the
> United States. It is an NGO at international agencies including the
> United Nations, UNESCO, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe.
>

Wesenthal Center is a pro-jewish institution spitting pro-jewish propaganda.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Wiesenthal/Argentina_defeat.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-4_SWC.html
http://www.codoh.com/info/infoihr/ihr9Vfraudwiesen.html

 



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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:02:02 -0700
> ragland31@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> SWC News Items
>>
> Polish Prime Minister Kaczynski stands up for truth telling Radio
> Maryja director. Oy Vey!!!
>
> EJP Updated: 04/Sep/2007 17:13
>
> http://www.ejpress.org/article/19777
>
> Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynsk said Radio Maryja “reinforced the 
> Church of Poland and Polish Catholicism.”
>
>
>
>
> WARSAW (EJP)---Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski stood up on 
> Tuesday for the fundamentalist and anti-Semitic Catholic Radio Maryja, 
> contradicting the archbishop of Krakow, Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, who 
> called for a change at the top of this influential station.
>
> Speaking to the press, Kaczynski hailed the role of the radio which, he 
> said, “reinforced the Church of Poland and Polish Catholicism.”
> He also defended the founder and manager of the radio, Father Tadeusz 
> Rydzyk.
>
> “This radio, it is one single man. Remove this man and it doesn’t exist 
> anymore,” he added.
> Father Tadeusz Rydzyk, director of Radio Maryja.
>
> Cardinal Dziwisz, who was the former secretary of Pope John II, has called 
> for a change at the top of Radio Maryja, saying that the controversial 
> anti-Semitic broadcaster threatens the unity of Polish Catholicism.
>
> His call, made in an address delivered end August at a meeting of the 
> Polish hierarchy, was published this week by the Catholic weekly Tygodnik 
> Powszechny.
>
> The cardinal said that Radio Maryja is part of a worrisome trend in which 
> the work of the Catholic Church is "gradually slipping out of the bishops’ 
> control." Radio Maryja claims some three million listeners, which is only 
> a fraction of the more than 90 percent of Poland’s 38.2 million people who 
> say they are Catholic.
>
> But it wields considerable political influence in Poland and has 
> campaigned openly for the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party, even though 
> it has begun sniping at Poland’s conservative leaders for allegedly going 
> soft. The Radio Maryja media empire also includes a television station.
>
>
>
> Cardinal Dziwisz urged the replacement of Father Tadeusz Rydzyk, the 
> Redemptorist priest who founded Radio Maryja, with a new director whose 
> guidance of the station would be more in line with the wishes of the 
> Polish hierarchy.
>
> Father Rydzyk has been under heavy criticism for making anti-Semitic 
> remarks.
>
> Earlier this year, Rydzyk criticized Polish President Kaczynski for bowing 
> to pressure to compensate people — some of them Jews — for property 
> nationalized by the postwar communist government, and for donating land 
> for a future Jewish museum when Kaczynski was Warsaw’s mayor.
>
> "You know that it’s about Poland giving 65 billion dollars" to the Jews, 
> Rydzyk purportedly said in a recording that surfaced this summer.
>
> They will come to you and say: give me your coat. Take off your pants. 
> Give me your shoes."
>
> Rydzyk also referred to the leading Polish daily, Gazeta Wyborcza, whose 
> founder Adam Michnik has Jewish roots, as a "Talmudic" publication.
>
> According to the Zycie Warszawy newspaper, at the meeting of the Polish 
> hierarchy, which took place in Czestochowa, Cardinal Dziwisz’s suggestions 
> drew support from the Polish primate Cardinal Jozef Glemp and Archbishop 
> Kazimierz Kazimierz Nycz of Warsaw.
>
> However, the hierarchy was not unanimous, the newspaper said.
>
> The bishops decided against taking any public action on the issue.
>
> Father Joszef Kloch, the bishops’ spokesman, observed that any
> disciplinary action against Father Rydzyk should be taken by his
> superiors in the Redemptorist order rather than by the bishops

So easy to label someone anti-Semitic without explaining what did actually 
Rydzyk said about Jews. All he did was to point out that Jews are coming 
>from Israel and are claiming properties in Poland which were seized by 
communist government.  Most often the actual owners died and their children 
are now claiming the ownership rights to properties. The problem is that you 
need to prove that you were actual owner of property and provide necessary 
documents and many of the documents provided to Polish government are either 
falsified or counter fit.  That is all Rydzyk said and Jewish institutions 
in Poland and then in English speaking countries are quick to label him 
anti-Semitic. 



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 wrote in message 
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>
> "snow"  wrote in message 
> news:3HWEi.2122$ZA5.1472@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>> One Less Than
>> Six Million
>
>> by Mark Glenn
>
>> It was the event of the 20th century, at least according to the history 
>> as written by the conquerors.
>
> It wasn't written by the conquerors, stupid. It was written by historians 
> from all nations.
>
> History hasn't been written by conquerors only for a couple of centuries!
>
> --
> Philip Mathews

Actually you are wrong. Conquerors write the history.
Good example, native Americans, have you seen any history books written by 
them.
Actually English and American histories are widely advertised through the 
media and are generally accepted in other European countries. Do you think 
they teach how Hitler was a hero in Germany. Remember USSR and their view of 
history when they attacked Poland. Their history says they were liberators 
of Poland.
So what we have here is history written by American and English historians 
that is pushed into our faces through mass media, even though the real 
history if somewhat more complicated. 



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"Protagonist"  wrote in message 
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>  JERUSALEM - In a case that would seem unthinkable in the Jewish state, 
> police said Sunday they have cracked a cell of young Israeli neo-Nazis 
> accused in a string of attacks on foreign workers, religious Jews, drug 
> addicts and gays.
> ADVERTISEMENT
>
> Eight immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been arrested in recent 
> days in connection with at least 15 attacks, and a ninth fled the country, 
> police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, in the first such known cell to be 
> discovered in Israel.
>
> All the suspects are in their late teens or early 20s and have Israeli 
> citizenship, Rosenfeld said.
>
> "The level of violence was outrageous," Maj. Revital Almog, who 
> investigated the case, told Israel's Army Radio.
>
> A court decided Sunday to keep the young men in custody. They covered 
> their faces with their shirts during the hearing, revealing their tattooed 
> arms, and did not comment.
>
> News of the arrests came as a shock in Israel, which was founded nearly 60 
> years ago as a refuge for Jews in the wake of the Nazi Holocaust and 
> remains a most sensitive subject. Any forms of anti-Semitism around the 
> world outrage Israelis, and the discovery of such violence in the 
> country's midst made the front pages of newspapers and dominated talk on 
> morning radio shows.
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_neo_nazis

Of course, every country has a right wing youth movement.  I like how the 
article mentions they are from former soviet union. Does it have hidden 
message? Are people from former Soviet Union bad and all anti-semitic?
Good to see YAHOO News carry such news article. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>>The more I read about you, the more of an asshole you seem to be. Simple
>
> Does this mean you are going to run away from accounting for your lies 
> again,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow?
>
>>search on Google with your name will get all the dirt on you. There was 
>>one
>>positive information I found, It was your age. It seems that you are in 
>>you
>>are in your late 60s which means death is around the corner for you. We 
>>all
>>hope you will die peacefully and soon.
>>BTW, do you have Alzheimer  because you seem to forget a lot of 
>>information
>>and keep repeating same old crap day after day?
>
> So long as Leading Revisionist Scholar snow chooses to run away from 
> accountablility, I
> will remind the world of his lies and his cowardice.
>
> Your call, moron. Answer the questions, document your assertions, or admit 
> you lied.
>
> (Roll over, snow, you're done.)

In 10 years you will be gone and everyone will forget about your lies and 
your face.

>
> -- 
> "Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust
> Fairydale book I will not your naivety holding against
> you." (K. Knoll, Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> snow  wrote:
>>Answers
>>http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/914db84f279f16a4?as_umsgid=1100362628.KFN3aN/sOS61bJhFvmMJlw@teranews
>>http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/browse_thread/thread/b721ceb098bfc379/914db84f279f16a4?#914db84f279f16a4
>
> So sorry, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, but you have not provided the 
> DOCUMENTATION
> needed to support your cowardly assertions.  It would be unfair, not to 
> mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.

The links are above. Are you so dumb that you can't find right information 
with the links provided. Alzheimer's is kicking in slowly for you. Better 
take those medications you ve been hesitant to take.  One of the side 
effects must be lowering of IQ because with every post you seem to be dumber 
and dumber.



>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "But I was not diagnosed as 'morbidly obese' you evil
> kike and you are perpetuating a lie started by your
> fellow filthy kike hook nosed vermin named ..."
> (Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar) 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>>How the Anti-Defamation League
>>Controls its Opposition
>
> How Leading Revisionist Scholar snow lies through his teeth, then
> tucks his yellow tail between his legs and runs away:

Get lost homo. Its Mr. Snow to you peasant.


>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "I am not stressed out since I can analyze
> your holohoax in my urine." (Kurt Knoll,
> Kitimat, B.C.'s Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:26:45 -0400



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13e905sf4hgbqf0@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> snow  wrote:
>>
>>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:13e7a0252mr1ib4@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
>>> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
>>> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
>>> with documentary evidence.
>>>
>>> Question 1:
>>>
>>> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>>>
>>> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
>>> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>>>   so called liberation."
>>>
>>> Please document your claims.
>>>
>>
>>Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
>
> There's your first problem, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow - Leuchter 
> has been so
> thoroughly discredited that only brain-deficient rookie deniers much like 
> yourself even
> bring him up.
>
> He has no expertise.

He has more expertise than you and I am sure he actually graduated school 
and has a diploma unlike you. I rather believe him than you. You got caught 
lying several times plus you had drug problem and problem with the law.



> He lied under oath in a Canadian court.
>
> Like you, Leuchter is a liar.
>
> Please DO try again.
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> 'I fully accept this, it's a fact. The discussion on Auschwitz, the gas
> chambers and the Holocaust is finished ... it's useless to dispute it'.
> (David Irving on Holocaust denial, as quoted by his Austrian lawyer)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:19:51 -0400



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow  wrote:
>>The Radical Homosexual Movement Is Run By Jews
>>Here is an exhaustive list proving, once and for all, that the radical
>>homosexual movement in the United States is a Jewish movement. Jews 
>>created
>>it and run it from top to bottom. They are pushing the perversion and
>>degeneracy that is spreading disease, sin and sickness through America 
>>like
>>a wildfire.
>
> Why don't you tell us how you really feel about Jews, Leading Revisionist 
> Scholar snow?
>
> Perhaps after you answer these questions, which you seem to fear so much:

FEAR?!. You would love me to fear you or your questions but the reality is 
that you are a joke and nobody wants to reply (at least not me) to your 
posts. Also you are an rude asshole that betrayed your own friends.
Simple google search for ken mcvay bring up all kinds of dirt on you so why 
don't you crawl back to your little hole and STFU.

>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Perhaps hanging you up on a meat hook like a swine ready to be butchered
> would be better than using piano wire and instead of just cremating you
> I would cover your carcass in swine feces as a tribute to your kind and
> then incinerate your remains." (Scott Bradbury, Revisionist Scholar) 



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 wrote in message 
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>
> "snow"  wrote in message 
> news:ssWEi.2120$ZA5.1545@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>> The Radical Homosexual Movement Is Run By Jews
>
> LOL!
>
> A rock has more intelligence than you.

That would be still more than you with your family will ever have.


>
> --
> Philip Mathews
>
>
>
> 


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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:01:45 -0400



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
news:13ebg7u8dklaje5@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a liar and coward,
>  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>Wesenthal Center is a pro-jewish institution spitting pro-jewish 
>>propaganda.
>
> There is no "Wesenthal" Center, moron.
>
>>http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Wiesenthal/Argentina_defeat.html
>
> David "See you, sue you" Irving is your source? A man determined in a 
> court
> of law to be an antisemite and racist, not to mention a liar, much like
> yourself?
>
> The same David Irving caught lying under oath by more than one court?
> (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david)
>
> THAT David Irving?

David Irving is more intelligent than you with your family will ever be.


>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>
>>http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-4_SWC.html
>
> The IHR? The IHR started by the notorious antisemite and racist Willis 
> Carto?
> The same IHR that employs former National Alliance pimp Mark "Honest, I'm
> not really a NAZI" Weber?

They are not as racist as the asshole who owns www.nizkor.com


>
> THAT IHR? (http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/ihr)
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>
>>http://www.codoh.com/info/infoihr/ihr9Vfraudwiesen.html
>
> CODOH? The same CODOH that censors opposing viewpoints on its "open" 
> forum?
>
> THAT CODOH?
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> -- 
> "Since all you knowledge is coming out of your holocaust
> Fairydale book I will not your naivety holding against
> you." (K. Knoll, Leading Revisionist Scholar)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:01:45 -0400
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>> news:13ebg7u8dklaje5@corp.supernews.com...
>> > In article ,
>> > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a liar and coward,
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>
> Snow, wanna see Ken shut up? Post this in response when he accuses you
> of lying and watch him run, he use to try to debunk the first part but
> fails miserabley and wont even acknowledge the rest. Just keep this
> post handy.
>
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>
> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.

Grandpa McVay took the site down. Just shows how creditable and reliable 
NIZKOR.com is.



>
> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
>
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these 
> rules
> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken just 
> as
> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice 
> take
> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more
> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions at 
> the
> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time at
> Birkenau."
>
> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of 
> that
> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much too
> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both 
> Jews
> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 74,000,
> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of the
> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, 
> which
> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
> figure in the first place.
>
> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a while
> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not take
> up as much room as people would. But the Holocaust fiction requires that
> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps 
> several
> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do so,
> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron in 
> the
> bricks of the building.
>
> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case however
> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would certainly
> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' barracks
> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the alleged
> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in buildings
> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that 
> Nizkor
> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
>
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue stains
> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas 
> chambers
> would have had the same staining."
>
> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on 
> the
> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the 
> delousing
> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue on
> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= Prussian
> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
>
> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of 
> the
> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside the
> guards' barracks.
>
> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that sounds
> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of the
> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest of 
> us.
> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher than
> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces of
> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, one
> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you 
> is
> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you began
> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of cyanide
> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
> fumigations.
>
> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is not
> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may 
> vary
> considerably under different circumstances."
>
> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it 
> =does=
> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an atmosphere
> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the 
> rate
> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. 
> That
> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue 
> formation
> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable 
> gas
> chamber scenario.
>
> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark when 
> he
> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue.  "Apparently," my
> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by Alpha
> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation for
> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again and
> again.
>
> Jerry Abbot. 



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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:24:08 -0400
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message
>> news:XYednRozCqJ4uXnbnZ2dnUVZ_h6vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >  JERUSALEM - In a case that would seem unthinkable in the Jewish
>> > state, police said Sunday they have cracked a cell of young Israeli
>> > neo-Nazis accused in a string of attacks on foreign workers,
>> > religious Jews, drug addicts and gays.
>> > ADVERTISEMENT
>> >
>> > Eight immigrants from the former Soviet Union have been arrested in
>> > recent days in connection with at least 15 attacks, and a ninth
>> > fled the country, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said, in the
>> > first such known cell to be discovered in Israel.
>> >
>> > All the suspects are in their late teens or early 20s and have
>> > Israeli citizenship, Rosenfeld said.
>> >
>> > "The level of violence was outrageous," Maj. Revital Almog, who
>> > investigated the case, told Israel's Army Radio.
>> >
>> > A court decided Sunday to keep the young men in custody. They
>> > covered their faces with their shirts during the hearing, revealing
>> > their tattooed arms, and did not comment.
>> >
>> > News of the arrests came as a shock in Israel, which was founded
>> > nearly 60 years ago as a refuge for Jews in the wake of the Nazi
>> > Holocaust and remains a most sensitive subject. Any forms of
>> > anti-Semitism around the world outrage Israelis, and the discovery
>> > of such violence in the country's midst made the front pages of
>> > newspapers and dominated talk on morning radio shows.
>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_neo_nazis
>>
>> Of course, every country has a right wing youth movement.  I like how
>> the article mentions they are from former soviet union. Does it have
>> hidden message? Are people from former Soviet Union bad and all
>> anti-semitic? Good to see YAHOO News carry such news article.
>>
>
> From some of the articles that I've read - the Soviets are defiantly
> wising up to the 'Jewish Problem' facing mankind.

You are right. Putin is not bending to the Jewish influence. Tsar became new 
Russian icon and Russians can't forget what jews did to them. Israel must be 
feeling very uncomfortable that Russia is friendly with USA and a partner in 
war on terror. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, proven liar and coward,
>  wrote:
>
>>>>Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
>>>
>>> There's your first problem, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow - Leuchter
>>> has been so thoroughly discredited that only brain-deficient rookie
>>> deniers much like yourself even bring him up.
>>>
>>> He has no expertise.
>
>>He has more expertise than you and I am sure he actually graduated school
>>and has a diploma unlike you. I rather believe him than you. You got 
>>caught
>>lying several times plus you had drug problem and problem with the law.
>
> Alas, Leading Revisionist Moron snow, his degree is in HISTORY, not 
> physics, engineering
> or chemistry.
>
> You, of course, are too stupid to understand what a buffoon Leuchter is, 
> so you
> prattle the denier line because you lack the mental acuity to do anything 
> else.
>
> I am embarrassed for you.

You don't have to be embarrassed for me, being embarrassed by your own 
actions such as lies and distortion of facts should be enough for you. Your 
daughter seems to be embarrassed by you also.


>
> -- 
>                "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
>            at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
>                                      (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
>                               The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org 



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"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
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>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:01:45 -0400
>>> "snow"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>> news:13ebg7u8dklaje5@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> > In article ,
>>>> > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a liar and coward,
>>>> >  wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > [...]
>>>
>>> Snow, wanna see Ken shut up? Post this in response when he accuses you
>>> of lying and watch him run, he use to try to debunk the first part but
>>> fails miserabley and wont even acknowledge the rest. Just keep this
>>> post handy.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>>>
>>> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
>>> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
>>> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
>>> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than
>>> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
>>> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
>>
>> Grandpa McVay took the site down.
>
> No, it's there as it has been for some time.
>
> Your problem is that neither you or Tommy noticed that the URL is 
> truncated in Tommy's post.
>
> Tommy posted an incorrect URL, and you didn't notice and couldn't  figure 
> out how to find the right one.
>
>
>> Just shows how creditable and reliable NIZKOR.com is.
>
> And so, since *you both got the URL wrong*, your browser can't find the 
> page.
>
> This is an excellent demonstration of your own lack of abilities and 
> attention, and says nothing bad about Nizkor or Mr. McVay.
>
> The full URL ends with ".html".
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
>
> Hope this helps.
> -pk

Thanks, got it.
So Grandpa McVay tells us that there are two approaches to science. One 
scientific method, the proper one, that scholar and scientists used to prove 
once and for all that gas chambers did not exist. And there is McVay science 
method which says that even though science proved gas chambers didn't exist, 
one needs to add some myth into the scientific method and then draw the 
conclusions.  Whoever wrote that article must be an idiot. High School kids 
could write better articles. 



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>
>
>
>
>
> "Terrorism Targeting Jews Today
> Will Not Stop There."
>
>
> Interview with Professor Robert S. Wistrich
>
> Yediot Aharonot (19 November 2003)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Prof. Robert S. Wistrich, head of the Vidal Sassoon International
> Center for the Study of Antisemitism at the Hebrew University of
> Jerusalem, says Istanbul bombings are a classic combination of anti-
> Israelism and antisemitism. = He warns of a new strain of
> antisemitism, which likens Israel to a Nazi state. = "Extreme views
> that used to be strictly limited to Arabs and Neo-Nazis have recently
> become European mainstream." = "Israel", says Prof. Wistrich, "must
> take action, but cautiously, since overly muscular diplomatic activity
> could, again, be distorted as a Jewish attempt to silence legitimate
> criticism.

Could it be because Israel policies towards other races especially Moslems 
is very similar to Germany policies during WWII. Zionists, Nazis and 
Zionazis are exactly the same in their policies to control the world.


>
> Ariela Ringel-Hoffman talked to Prof. Wistrich this week:
>
>
>
> "I do not believe we can isolate the phenomenon of antisemitism from
> current global trends. On the other hand, antisemitism cannot be
> simply explained by globalization or any single cause," says Prof.
> Robert Wistrich, historian and Director of the Vidal Sassoon
> International Center for the Study of Antisemitism, at the Hebrew
> University of Jerusalem.
>
>
>
> Prof. Wistrich had been asked if what we have here is not an anti-
> Israel trend escalating in the world in response to Israel's policy
> regarding the territories, which upsets the Western world. "The
> Istanbul bombings last week are a classic combination of anti-
> Israelism and antisemitism. Terrorism that is targeting Jews today
> will not stop there. Severe criticism of Israel is not necessarily
> antisemitism," he says, "but what is striking is the methods, the
> techniques of defamation and the type of expressions used. This is a
> new strain of antisemitism, when people compare Israel to a Nazi
> state, inherently criminal, a systematic violator of human-rights. A
> "rogue state" that recklessly disregards international law. Israel is
> treated as being even worse than countries like North Korea, Iran or
> Saddam's Iraq by many Europeans and virtually all Arabs. This
> exaggerated and false image creates a dangerous myth. Having studied
> the phenomenon for many years, I believe this to be one of the basic
> characteristics of antisemitism: the difference between reality and
> public image, which creates the negative myth."
>
>
>
> But still, I insisted, they talk about Israeli rather than Jewish
> "madness".
>
>
>
>          "I think," Prof. Wistrich said, "that there is a real
> anxiety in Europe, the concern that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
> could start World War III or that it provokes global terror. Yet this
> fear is exaggerated, disproportionate. There are dangerous conflicts
> worldwide that could lead to such results, which have nothing to do
> with Israel - such as the Indian-Pakistani conflict. So with all due
> respect to the [Palestinian] conflict and its influence, the bottom
> line is that we are still dealing with distorted perceptions that
> smack of antisemitism, and not just anti-Israel feelings. It is Jewish
> institutions and symbols that have been targeted: synagogues, Jewish
> cemeteries, Jewish schools. Jewish teachers and students are being
> harassed. The targets are not Israeli. It has become impossible to
> teach Jewish-related subjects, such as the Holocaust.  None of this
> has anything to do with Israeli occupation. There is an antisemitism
> emerging world wide, especially in the Middle East and Western Europe,
> which is a mutation of pre-Holocaust antisemitism. Before World War
> II, when Fascists and Nazis were in power, antisemitic propaganda
> branded the Jews as "warmongers". It was claimed in both Britain and
> France that the Jews were trying to push Europe into a war against
> Nazi Germany.  That view was shared by the isolationists in the U.S.
> To oppose Hitler supposedly served some shadowy Jewish interest.
> Today, once again, Israel (along with the USA) is seen as provoking
> war for sinister motives".
>
>
>
> Cabal behind the Scenes
>
> Next week Prof. Wistrich will be addressing MPs in the British House
> of Commons. Robert Wistrich, an internationally renowned expert on
> antisemitism, has been invited to present the findings of his research
> concerning the Muslim and European antisemitism as well as the
> attitude of the British media towards Israel, not just in the context
> of the Middle East conflict, but through examining the style and
> content of public discourse about Israel.
>
>
>
> There are plenty of examples, he points out. "One antisemitic image
> par exellence is that of the "cabal", a term borrowed from the
> mystical doctrines of the Kabala. According to this idea, there is a
> secret ring of Jewish conspirators working behind the scenes to seize
> control of the levers of power. Recently we heard a long-time member
> of the British Labour Party, Tam Dalyell, say that Tony Blair was a
> puppet controlled by a Jewish "cabal": he referred to several advisors
> whom he claimed had a strong influence on Blair; Foreign Secretary
> Jack Straw, who is not Jewish himself, but had a Jewish grandfather;
> Peter Mandelson, the former Northern Ireland Secretary, a bright man
> whose father was a Jew but who does not identify himself as one; and
> special envoy to the Middle East, Lord Levy. Dalyell uses a very
> familiar motif, searching for Jewish origins to explain why certain
> British and American politicians favored the war in Iraq. Not only
> Sharon, Israel and the Likud but World Jewry supposedly dictates
> American and global policy. Dalyell claims that "the Jews" are not
> only behind Blair; more importantly, they design the policy of George
> W. Bush."
>
>
>
>
>
> Q:      And how did the British react to these accusations?
>
>
>
> A:      "The British response was very casual. Those who chose to
> criticize Dalyell merely called him eccentric. Those who shared his
> views said that he was right, and hinted that it was dangerous that
> the Jews were too involved with British foreign affairs."
>
>
>
>          Wistrich will be presenting more examples from his research.
> "Take prominent left-wing crusading journalist John Pilger, who made a
> documentary for Carlton TV demonizing Israel as a brutal police state,
> or Oxford Professor of Poetry, Tom Paulin, who alleges that whenever
> they are criticized, Jews pull out the 'antisemitic card', imagining
> that the 'dumb goyim' (as Paulin puts it) have not yet figured out
> this trick. Referring to the Zionist project, Paulin rejects the idea
> it was about securing the freedom of persecuted Jews. No, it was about
> robbing the Palestinian people of their lands and cutting them off
> from their roots in order to create an exclusively Jewish foundation
> of strength and power. Then, at the time of the 'Defensive Shield'
> military operation in April 2002, the British media feasted themselves
> on gory tales of Israeli 'massacres', atrocities and even 'genocide'
> in Jenin. A reporter from The Times said that she had been all over
> the world, and not even in Chechnya or Bosnia had she seen such
> atrocities!! In fact, there were about 80 dead in Jenin, compared to
> 250,000 in the ex-Yugoslavia.
>
>
>
>          "There is another, more immediate point. I believe that you
> cannot separate global terrorism from antisemitism. This is evident
> when you consider what just happened in Turkey. Antisemitism, along
> with global terrorism, is part of a long-term war of Al-Qaeda against
> the Jews, Israel and the 'Crusader West'. Turkey as a secular, pro-
> Western, pro-Israel Muslim country was an obvious target."
>
>
>
> "Progressive" Hostility
>
> A distressing new trend emerges from his current research into
> antisemitism. Prof. Wistrich maintains that it is within "progressive"
> circles that much of the present hostility towards Israel and the Jews
> originates. "It is those who have a tolerant, so-called progressive
> image," he says, "academics, thinkers, intellectuals and artists who
> hate Israel the most. In the recent EU opinion poll - which labeled
> Israel the most dangerous threat to global peace - 66% of the voters
> across Europe who supported this view were revealed to be college
> graduates".
>
>
>
> "More and more voices in the academic world, in the media, amongst
> liberal politicians and in the clergy, are questioning the moral right
> of a Jewish state (that allegedly "threatens world peace") to even
> exist. What was still taboo three years ago, he says, is now being
> said out loud. What used to be limited to Arabs, Trotskyists and Neo-
> Nazis has become part of the European mainstream. These views are
> expressed either overtly or covertly. The Greek composer, Theodorakis,
> for example, recently said that Jews were the source of all evil; The
> Nobel-Prize-winning Portuguese writer Jose Saramago declared that
> Ramallah is like Auschwitz; the popular French Catholic priest, Abbe
> Pierre, suggested that Jews behaved towards Palestinians like the
> Nazis had done towards themselves. He defended his good friend, the
> Holocaust denier, Roger Garaudy, whose falsifications are all the rage
> in the Arab world, where he is a culture-hero.
>
>
>
> Conspiracy theories, according to Wistrich, are once again
> flourishing. The bond between Israel and the U.S., for instance, is
> twisted into a diabolical plot by wealthy Jews to achieve global
> domination.
>
>
>
> Q:      Some of the criticism is also heard within Israel. We, too,
> talk against the ongoing occupation and intolerable violations of
> human rights. We, too, wonder what motivated the American invasion of
> Iraq, especially when it became clear that what they had set out to
> find, was not there?
>
>
>
> A:      "Fair enough. It is legitimate to criticize Israel. But you
> have to wonder, after the deaths of 100 thousand Chechnyans, for
> example, why the Russians are not condemned so harshly? Something is
> surely wrong here..."
>
>
>
> Q:      Perhaps we are dealing with double standards rather than
> antisemitism. And besides, what the Russians do, does not in any way
> justify what is going on here in Israel.
>
>
>
> A:      "There are certainly double standards.  But it is not just
> that whatever Israel does is scrutinized under a magnifying glass:
> antisemitism means demonising the whole Jewish nation. The image of
> Israel in the world has become that of an oppressive, criminal state,
> with no moral or humane restraints, aggressive and interested only in
> taking over other people's land. This is false, a gross caricature."
>
>
>
> Q:      Is this not anti-Israeli, rather than anti-Jewish, discourse?
>
>
>
> A:      "That is what many people want to believe. But the distinction
> between Jewish and Israeli became opaque a long time ago. A British
> journalist (Richard Ingrams), who regularly attacks Israel was
> recently quoted as saying that when he receives a letter signed with a
> Jewish-sounding name, he automatically throws it into the rubbish bin.
> This means that to him, there is no difference between Israelis and
> Jews. A third of all Italians polled, also believe there is little
> difference. Many do not even consider the Jews of Italy to be Italian.
> Recent surveys also show that a third of all Europeans believe that
> Jews exploit the Shoah.  A similar number believe that Jews have too
> much influence.  But the fact is that we are far from being the
> Superpower that antisemites and anti-Zionists like to depict. We are
> not omnipotent and we cannot manipulate the U.S.A. These are
> antisemitic  fantasies."
>
>
>
> Q:      What if Israel's policy in the territories changes? For
> instance, what if we accepted the Geneva Accord?
>
>
>
> A: "It could calm down some of the hate and resentment for a while. It
> might temporarily confuse those who believe us to be the epitome of
> evil. But these attitudes will stay alive. They will always find a
> reason or pretext. The myth of Jewish financial power or Jewish
> manipulation of governments, control of the media, or of  Hollywood,
> is endemic in modern antisemitism. Europeans also hate American
> Christian fundamentalism, which they perceive as 'messianic',
> threatening and allied to right-wing Zionism. They are much more
> tolerant about Islam."
>
>
>
>          "Even in the Netherlands, where there have been cases of
> violence and incitement against the Jews originating from the local
> Muslim population (mostly Moroccan immigrants), there is a veil of
> silence over this aspect.  The same is even more the case in France
> and also Belgium. However, 74% of the Dutch regard Israel as the great
> threat to world peace. Just think about that! This shows how ignorant,
> blind and deluded they (along with many other Europeans) have become
> regarding what really threatens them. As if the little State of Israel
> were a threat to Europe...
>
>
>
> Q:      In other words, it does not matter what we do.
>
>
>
> A:      "It does matter, but treating superficial symptoms will not
> cure the disease. Look what happened to Ehud Barak - he should have
> been a hero by European standards, given the huge concessions he was
> ready to make. But the moment the Palestinian intifada started,
> Barak's efforts were in vain. Israel became the bad guy. It was Israel
> which was blamed for the Intifada, not Arafat."
>
>
>
> Q:      And where does it all lead?
>
>
>
> A:      "All these trends may get worse. But despite everything, I
> believe that this is a good opportunity to fight back. People are more
> aware today of the phenomenon of antisemitism, and the danger to peace
> that goes with it. In recent months even the Israeli government has
> become more involved with this issue. Let us not forget that Israelis
> also kept saying what the whole world has been repeating: that
> antisemitism is marginal, that it appears only in backward areas, that
> it expresses protest and rebellion against oppression in general and
> the plight of the Palestinians in particular. This issue has not been
> adequately addressed in Israel's political agenda.  No strategy was
> developed to deal with it. If anything, Israel was just going through
> the motions. In July 2003, Minister Sharansky did organize a
> convention of Jewish representatives from all over the world, to
> address the issue of antisemitism that was a step forward. A month or
> two earlier, a conference was held in Vienna by the OSCE (Organization
> for Security and Cooperation in Europe), with participants from the
> U.S., Canada, Russia, as well as the EU. I spoke there and called on
> delegates to recognize the specificity and seriousness of
> antisemitism. The conference was the first ever in the OSCE's history
> to be dedicated to antisemitism. One of the more important conclusions
> was that antisemitism constitutes a major violation of human rights."
>
>
>
> Israel must act firmly yet with caution, says Prof. Wistrich. Overly
> muscular diplomatic activity could boomerang and be seen as Jewish
> manipulation and a deliberate attempt to silence criticism.
>
>
>
>          Following Jewish and foreign protest, says Wistrich,
> President Jacques Chirac convened the cabinet to discuss antisemitism
> in France, as a special item on the agenda. "I think this is an
> indication of change," he says, "I suppose it was the sharp personal
> criticism that made him do this. He is very aware that his anti-
> American foreign policy and opposition to the war in the Gulf was very
> damaging to him in the U.S.; as, of course, were the reports about
> antisemitic violence in France itself. Americans began to boycott the
> French wine and cheese industry. American tourism declined. He needed
> to act."
>
>
>
> Q:      There are about 600 thousand Jews living in France, and 6
> million Muslims, mainly from North Africa. How come the French hate
> the Jews and not the Muslims?
>
>
>
> A:      "There are strong anti-Arab sentiments in France as well as
> antisemitism. Le Pen's National Front is hostile to Muslims. But
> still, Jews are currently being harassed more frequently than Muslims,
> and it is Arabs who are the perpetrators."
>
>
>
> Q:      And how do you explain that?
>
>
>
> A:      "Most of the Arabs come from North Africa (especially Algeria)
> and they brought with them a tradition of hostility towards the
> Sephardic Jews, exacerbated by the Middle East conflict. The younger,
> marginalized Maghrebin Arabs also project their anger towards France,
> against the Jews, who are seen as controlling the media and politics.
> As for the French elites including the media and the intellectuals,
> they have created a strongly anti-Israel atmosphere which has spilled
> over into hostility towards Jews. These same elites were silent for a
> long time about the Muslim attacks on Jews."
>
>
>
> A Long Term Struggle
>
> Islamic Judeophobia, according to Wistrich, is the most dangerous
> current strain of antisemitism. It is inseparable from the general
> crusade against Israel. Jihad, he says, is inextricably linked today
> with an anti-Jewish ideology which is also anti-American. Israelis and
> the rest of the world must comprehend that political or ceasefire
> agreements will not solve the problem overnight. We may be facing this
> problem for a long time. Iran and al-Qaeda have their own agenda.
> There is a global Jihad. The attempted Islamicization of Palestine is
> the prologue to a much broader revolutionary goal directed against the
> so-called "Crusaders" and western civilization itself.
>
>
>
> Q:      Do you anticipate an increase in the number of Jews making
> Aliya following the acceleration of antisemitism in the world?
>
>
>
> A:      "The present economic and security situation in Israel does
> not really encourage significant Aliya. If there is any movement at
> all, my estimation is that apart from France it may gradually emerge
> from the Anglo-Saxon countries. That is the largest reservoir."
>
>
>
> Q:      And more mixed marriages in the Diaspora?
>
>
>
> A:      "Not necessarily.  Antisemitism could even limit the number of
> mixed marriages. Young Jews in Europe today are asking themselves
> whether this is the type of society into which they would like to
> integrate."
>
>
>
> Q:      Do you see a growing Ultra-Orthodox trend?
>
>
>
> A:      "Perhaps, but not a mass movement."
>
>
>
> Q:      And in the meantime?
>
>
>
> A:      "Apart from the Palestinians and Muslim antisemitism, we
> should focus on the European front. We must fight against European
> tolerance for antisemitic tendencies. There should be no compromise
> about that. If the Chief Rabbi in France has to advise Jews in Paris
> or Strasbourg or Marseilles to refrain from wearing a Kippa in public,
> that is a shocking signal. The same is true about London, Brussels,
> Amsterdam or Berlin. It shows how intimidated Jews have become.
> Muslims are free to wear their traditional garments in the street,
> while Jews are advised to leave their Kippot at home. Synagogues are
> being turned into fortresses. And still there are Israelis and Jews,
> as well as self-interested anti-Zionist Gentiles who pretend there is
> no problem! How blind can one be?
>
>
>
>          "Antisemitism today is concealed under a humanist mask. It
> is full of shallow rhetoric, blindly identifying with the "victim",
> with the oppressed and the poor, irrespective of the atrocities that
> are committed in their name.  This is deeply immoral. We have to
> condemn and expose this hollowness. It is intolerable that the
> Holocaust cannot be taught at schools in France, the Netherlands,
> Belgium or other European countries without abuse being showered on
> the teachers.  We cannot permit a situation where the Jewish voice is
> simply
> ignored."
> 


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"Eddie Irwin"  wrote in message 
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>  wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 11:50 pm, Über Mench Führer Der Stürmer 
>> wrote:
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> > rik  schrieb:
>> >
>> > Monocultural societies like Nazi Germany are for more preferable.
>> >
>>
>> Oh dear.  That was one of the problems with Germany - it WASN'T
>> monocultural!!!!!!!
>>
>> Clearly you are one of the pawns who buy into this nonsense (e.g.
>> young naive hippie-types & dumb old hippies).
>>
> Looks like we have another senile old fuck on our hands.
>
>
> You're clearly another pair of brainless old idealist fucktards or simply
> yet another couple of drooling right wing buffoons who are too stupid and
> narrow minded to look thing up on your own.
>
> Don't let a little truth get in the way of your idealist fantasy world,
> fairy tales and ignorant fables.
>
> http://www.unic.or.jp/new/pr05-057-E.htm
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4671687.stm
> http://www.imadr.org/geneva/2006/G0610396.pdf
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_Japan#_note-0

Multiculturism was one of the reasons Roman Empire fell. Also it is very big 
in United States as USA is a new country and it is very easy to market equal 
rights as multiculturalism when in actuality black people still make less 
money per dollar than white people, even women still make less per dollar 
than white men. Yet you have countries in Europe that are very proud of 
their heritage and want to preserve it. Didn't we just discussed Hungary and 
how the right movement wants to preserve Hungary for Hungarians, yet 
Zionists are yelling Anti-Semitism because it is easier for Zionists to 
control multicultural race of people who do not have a lot in common. 



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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:17:44 GMT

Embattled US professor who accused Jews of using Holocaust to stifle
criticism agrees to resign

The Associated Press
Wednesday, September 5, 2007
CHICAGO: A Chicago university professor who has drawn criticism for
accusing some Jews of improperly using the legacy of the Holocaust
agreed Wednesday to resign immediately "for everybody's sake."

DePaul University officials and political science professor Norman
Finkelstein issued a joint statement announcing the resignation, which
came as about a hundred protesters gathered outside the dean's office
to support him.

Finkelstein, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, was denied tenure
in June after spending six years on DePaul's faculty. His remaining
class was cut by DePaul last month.

His most recent book, "Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism
and the Abuse of History," is largely an attack on Harvard law
professor Alan Dershowitz's "The Case for Israel." In his book,
Finkelstein argues that Israel uses perceived anti-Semitism as a
weapon to stifle criticism.

Dershowitz, who threatened to sue Finkelstein's publisher for libel,
urged DePaul officials to reject Finkelstein's tenure bid.

Finkelstein said in the statement that he believes the tenure decision
was "tainted" by external pressures, but praised the university's
"honorable role of providing a scholarly haven for me the past six
years."

The school denied that outside parties influenced the decision to deny
Finkelstein tenure. The school's portion of the statement called
Finkelstein "a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher."

Finkelstein called that acknowledgment the most important part of the
statement.

"I felt finally I had gotten what was my due and that maybe it was
time, for everybody's sake, that I move on," he said at a news
conference that followed a morning rally staged by students and
faculty who carried signs and chanted "stop the witch hunt."

Finkelstein said "DePaul students rose to dazzling spiritual heights
in my defense that should be the envy of and an example for every
university in the United States."

The professor would not discuss financial terms of the resignation
agreement, which he said was confidential, but noted that it does not
bar him from speaking out about issues that concern him, including
"the unfairness of the tenure process."

He also said he does not know what he will do next, but came to
realize before Wednesday "that the atmosphere had become so poisoned
that it was virtually impossible for me to carry on at DePaul."

"The least I could hope for is to leave DePaul with my head up high
and my reputation intact."

Dershowitz was critical of the school. "DePaul looks like they caved
into pressure," he said in a telephone interview. "The idea of
describing him as a scholar trades truth for convenience. He's a man
who is a propagandist and is not a scholar."

Still, Dershowitz said, "I'm happy he's out of academia. Let him do
his ranting on street corners." 


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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:20:11 GMT



"Richard Warren"  wrote in message 
news:J1yFi.3594$Ic3.3551@trndny09...
>
> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
> news:WvWdnRypgKCnqXvbnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>> Some German Tourists coming here to British Columbia dolt me there is a 
>>> sing outside the Dachau Gate saying there were never any gassings done 
>>> in Dachau.
>>
>> Please, stop drinking Kurt for a moment and read what I was posting!
>> They were delousing/disinfecting clothing and personal items aiding the 
>> processor by using hot air blowers and not hair dryers.
>> JS
>
>
>
>
> Kurt stop drinking?  That's about as likely as Julius ceasing his Nazi 
> apologetics.  Not gonna happen.  At any rate, is there anything more 
> amusing than watching a couple of uneducated louts trying to argue in 
> pidgin English?
>

Not as amusing as having DICK as a first name
Isn't it right, Dick! BUAHAHHA
Your parents must have had a sense of humour.

>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The sign definitely sets the record straight accusation must have been 
>>> made before. Then we have the Pictures of the Dachau inmates where they 
>>> only show the worst. There are plenty of Photographs out there that 
>>> showing a different picture. When I did return to Nuremberg in April 
>>> 1945 as a kid. The first issue of the Nuremberger Zeiting said. " 
>>> Sämtliches wach personal in Dach wuden von den Häftlingen umgebracht. 
>>> Ich sagte damals zu meinem mutter wo keine augezeugen überlebten gibt es 
>>> auch keinen richter.
>>>
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>> news:Y-GdnWmN4MppvHvbnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>>>> Do you have any proof that gassings were done in Dachau ??.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>>> Who's talking about gassing?
>>>> Modern delousing chambers.
>>>> http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html
>>>> http://www.nazigassings.com/zyklondelousing.html
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Protagonist"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:BsidnUZLc7LJnnvbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
>>>>>>> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
>>>>>>> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every 
>>>>>>> criticism
>>>>>>> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather 
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
>>>>>>> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>>>> "When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of 
>>>>>>> these rules
>>>>>>> are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken 
>>>>>>> just as
>>>>>>> much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; 
>>>>>>> lice take
>>>>>>> much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a 
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>> longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal 
>>>>>>> conditions at the
>>>>>>> peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire 
>>>>>>> time at
>>>>>>> Birkenau."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in 
>>>>>>> Auschwitz
>>>>>>> alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility 
>>>>>>> of that
>>>>>>> figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still 
>>>>>>> much too
>>>>>>> high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, 
>>>>>>> both Jews
>>>>>>> and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 
>>>>>>> 74,000,
>>>>>>> according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most 
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of 
>>>>>>> lice, which
>>>>>>> is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder 
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 
>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>> figure in the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed 
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a 
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would 
>>>>>>> not take
>>>>>>> up as much room as people would.
>>>>>> Also, needs to be said, HCN or Zyklon-B has a gassing out temperature 
>>>>>> of 25C deg, that's why in Dachau, I think, Germans built a modern 
>>>>>> delousing chamber with hot air blower.
>>>>>> Auschwitz, so called gas chambers (morgues) were underground, all 
>>>>>> ways cooler, winter time even worst, colder. HCN would have a hard 
>>>>>> time for gassing out properly and kill people in masses.
>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  But the Holocaust fiction requires that
>>>>>>> millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas 
>>>>>>> chambers,
>>>>>>> meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps 
>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>> hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to 
>>>>>>> do so,
>>>>>>> and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the 
>>>>>>> iron in the
>>>>>>> bricks of the building.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal 
>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>> chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the 
>>>>>>> delousing
>>>>>>> chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case 
>>>>>>> however
>>>>>>> eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would 
>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>> show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' 
>>>>>>> barracks
>>>>>>> does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the 
>>>>>>> alleged
>>>>>>> extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in 
>>>>>>> buildings
>>>>>>> that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that 
>>>>>>> Nizkor
>>>>>>> neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>>>> "Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue 
>>>>>>> stains
>>>>>>> (apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas 
>>>>>>> chambers
>>>>>>> would have had the same staining."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue 
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the 
>>>>>>> delousing
>>>>>>> chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
>>>>>>> returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian 
>>>>>>> blue on
>>>>>>> the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the 
>>>>>>> delousing
>>>>>>> chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= 
>>>>>>> Prussian
>>>>>>> blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of 
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal 
>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>> chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the 
>>>>>>> guards'
>>>>>>> barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel 
>>>>>>> when he
>>>>>>> returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside 
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level 
>>>>>>> inside the
>>>>>>> guards' barracks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that 
>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>> like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest 
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the 
>>>>>>> rest of us.
>>>>>>> One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher 
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the 
>>>>>>> traces of
>>>>>>> cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new 
>>>>>>> house, one
>>>>>>> that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling 
>>>>>>> you is
>>>>>>> that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, 
>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>> nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you 
>>>>>>> began
>>>>>>> using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did 
>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>> Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of 
>>>>>>> cyanide
>>>>>>> compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
>>>>>>> fumigations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>>>>>>> "In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, 
>>>>>>> may vary
>>>>>>> considerably under different circumstances."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that 
>>>>>>> it =does=
>>>>>>> form.  And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an 
>>>>>>> atmosphere
>>>>>>> of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure 
>>>>>>> the rate
>>>>>>> of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
>>>>>>> experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> different rates that Prussian blue forms under different 
>>>>>>> circumstances. That
>>>>>>> way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue 
>>>>>>> formation
>>>>>>> with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
>>>>>>> least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any 
>>>>>>> reasonable gas
>>>>>>> chamber scenario.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark 
>>>>>>> when he
>>>>>>> said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
>>>>>>> "apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue. 
>>>>>>> "Apparently," my
>>>>>>> ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by 
>>>>>>> Alpha
>>>>>>> Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by 
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an 
>>>>>>> appreciation for
>>>>>>> the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, 
>>>>>>> again and
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerry Abbot.
>>>
>
> 


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"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:13ee3bea0hfpl51@news.supernews.com...
>>> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
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>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:01:45 -0400
>>>>> "snow"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:13ebg7u8dklaje5@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>> > In article ,
>>>>>> > Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, a liar and coward,
>>>>>> >  wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Snow, wanna see Ken shut up? Post this in response when he accuses you
>>>>> of lying and watch him run, he use to try to debunk the first part but
>>>>> fails miserabley and wont even acknowledge the rest. Just keep this
>>>>> post handy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nizkor as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever
>>>>> deception, replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for
>>>>> doing what, in actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism
>>>>> made on that page should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather 
>>>>> than
>>>>> to Revisionism, including the claims about underhanded motives, a
>>>>> priori assumptions, and questionable procedures.
>>>>
>>>> Grandpa McVay took the site down.
>>>
>>> No, it's there as it has been for some time.
>>>
>>> Your problem is that neither you or Tommy noticed that the URL is 
>>> truncated in Tommy's post.
>>>
>>> Tommy posted an incorrect URL, and you didn't notice and couldn't 
>>> figure out how to find the right one.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just shows how creditable and reliable NIZKOR.com is.
>>>
>>> And so, since *you both got the URL wrong*, your browser can't find the 
>>> page.
>>>
>>> This is an excellent demonstration of your own lack of abilities and 
>>> attention, and says nothing bad about Nizkor or Mr. McVay.
>>>
>>> The full URL ends with ".html".
>>>
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> -pk
>>
>> Thanks, got it.
>> So Grandpa McVay tells us that there are two approaches to science.
>
> And where, exactly, is this said?
>
>> One scientific method, the proper one, that scholar and scientists used 
>> to prove once and for all that gas chambers did not exist.
>
> You have it backwards.   The Scientific Method does *not* prove that gas 
> chambers did not exist.
>
> If you think that it does, identify the specific studies and what details 
> in them support your claim.
>
>> And there is McVay science method which says that even though science 
>> proved gas chambers didn't exist,
>
> Sorry, but once again you are setting forth something that you don't 
> understand as factual.
>
> Science *does* support the historical account of the gas chambers.
>
>> one needs to add some myth into the scientific method and then draw the 
>> conclusions.  Whoever wrote that article must be an idiot. High School 
>> kids could write better articles.
>
> People who have taken the effort  to become familar with the facts and 
> science realize that the "revisionist" and denier accounts are generally 
> false.
>
> It's too bad for you that you have decided to speak from ignorance rather 
> than finding the facts *first*.
>
> Hope this helps.
> -pk
>

Didn't just Forensic Institute in Krakow proved it once again using science 
and scientific method that gas chambers did not exist.  Yet we rely on 
witness accounts and not the scientific method that gas chambers did exist. 
Now as far as so called holocaust witness' goes,  Most of the ones that were 
screaming fault the loudest were discredited. 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article <1189810136.299167.163610@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> LIBERATOR  wrote:
>
>> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>>
>> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>>
>> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>>
>> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would have
>> won the war.
>>
>> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>> cultures in the name of Communism.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-8507820#r
>> eader-link
>>
>> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
>
> No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists
> didn't develop amazing things.
>
> Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country
> who helped design and build the atomic bomb....

I never heard of it. Do you have any proof that Hitler administration threw 
out Jews who were helping and designing the atomic bomb?

>
> Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but
> they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but
> slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler
> rushed into war.
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Archive/File: holocaust/poland plac.zgody
> Last-modified: 1993/03/07
>
> "One Sunday morning before dawn, a policeman came to Lily's door. ... She
> was asked to take her child out of bed and follow the policeman to Plac
> Zgody where several women were already standing with their little ones.
> Some held their babies in their arms, others let the children hold onto
> their skirts.
> ...
>
> Lily looked up at the windows of the houses surrounding the Plac Zgody, 
> but
> neither outside nor inside the ghetto was there any sign that anyone
> noticed what was taking place in that early dawn.
> ...
>
> A quick, unexpected movement of the guards startled them. Mothers with
> infants in their arms, babies who were at the age when they had just begun
> to crawl, and children who were mostly under eight years of age were
> pressed towards the inner wall of the ghetto. In front of them an
> impenetrable gray wall of stone -- in back of them another insurmountable
> green wall of armed men.
>
> `Lassen Sie de Kinder stehen!' (Let the children stand by themselves!) the
> Germans shouted, trying to pull the mothers away.
>
> Lily held her small daughter tightly in her arms. One of the soldiers
> struggled to take the child away from her and furiously thrust her to
> ground, pulling the child free with a final wrench. Dashing headlong, 
> after
> she had managed to spring to her feet, Lily reached for the little one. 
> The
> thundering tra-ta-ta-ta-a struck the child before her mother could shield
> her. The young child looked like a little angel with her cherubic mouth
> slightly open and her eyes turned towards heaven, only this angel was
> motionless. Lily's screams were quelled in an instant by other bullets
> which pierced her head and heart. Other babies were merely smashed against
> the stone wall by the raging madmen who decided to save their bullets."
>
> Excerpted from----------------------------------------------------------
> "The Survivor in Us All - A Memoir of the Holocaust," Erna F. Rubinstein
> (Hamden, Connecticut: Archon Books, 1983) ISBN 0-208-02025-X   pp. 61-62
> ------------------------The Old Frog's Almanac--------------------------

Is this Erna Rubinstein's own experience or is it just another 'poetic' 
interpretation on how it would have happened if it actually did happen? 



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"Captain Compassion"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:27:44 -0400, SPPI Expert 
> wrote:
>
>>Joe S.  wrote:
>>>
>>> The "Science and Public Policy Institute" is an arm of the far-right 
>>> Hudson
>>> Institute.  The following is a quote from their website:
>>>
>>> QUOTE
>>> Science and public policy institute seeks to find the ultimate truth 
>>> behinds
>>> some of the myths surrounding Global Warming.
>>> END QUOTE
>>>
>>> Now, tell me, if an organization says that its mission is to "find the
>>> ultimate truth behind come of the myths surrounding global warming," 
>>> just
>>> exactly how unbiased do you expect them to be??
>>>
>>> Just another in a long line of rightwingers trying to masquerade as 
>>> "fair
>>> and balanced."
>>>
>>>
>>Limbaugh has declared man made global warming to be a big socialist hoax;
>>great conspiracy by the communists, NASA, the UN and Al Gore.   His 
>>opinion
>>is fair and balanced.  Most right wing think tanks agree.
>
> "No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral
> evironmental benefits.... Climate change [provides] the greatest
> chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."
> -- Christine Stewart, Minister of the Environment of Canada
>
> The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property
> and production for human need. A socialist world would place an
> enormous priority an alternative energy sources. This is what
> ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time
> now." -- Louis Proyect, Columbia University
>
> "Structural change to the economy, behaviour change and culture change
> - those have to be elements in a world of decarbonisation." -- Tony
> Juniper (Friends of the Earth executive director)
>
> "Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized nations
> collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" -- Maurice
> Strong

One thing is for sure that former communist countries are one of the most 
polluted ones. China is still very polluted, as a matter of fact I had read 
an article that average police officer's life span is 43 years old because 
of the pollution.  Therefore to claim that Global Warming is a communist 
ideology is absurd.




>
>
> -- 
> The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
> escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius
>
> Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
> on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
> with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
> are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
> me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
>
> Joseph R. Darancette
> daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net 



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Just check out www.zhids.com and you can read about all the atrocities Jews 
committed in china. 



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Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and after WW2, arrest 
many Polish Intellectuals and sent them to Gulags? 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>Didn't just Forensic Institute in Krakow proved it once again using 
>>science
>>and scientific method that gas chambers did not exist.  Yet we rely on
>
> No, that is not what they proved. They proved Fred Leuchter was
> a bumbling, incompetent fool.
>
> See
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/final-remarks.html
> to reduce your abject ignorance, cowardly liar snow.


It looks like you wrote that article yourself. It is easy to tell because I 
can't seem to find any words that would have more than three syllables. I 
could understand myself not being able to write proper English as English is 
my second language, but you being born and raised in United States, being 
such a scholar and educator, should be able to write proper English.  Either 
way, the content of article is also misleading. You claim that after 50 
years the sample has traces of cyanide so the mass gassing of jews took 
place, when in reality the study suggests that the sample doesn't have 
enough cyanide to kill even one human and if indeed such gassing took place 
then the amount of cyanide in the sample would be much greater (100x). 
Somehow you managed not to mention that part in your article.


>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> Tax someone has committed such an offense, by all means report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
>
> -- 
> "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
> scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the
> most basic requirements of honest and competent historical
> research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70) 



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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fchcl9$orn$1@pcls4.std.com...
> In article ,
> Benjamin Cramer  wrote:
>
>> The yids created bolshevism, Snow.
>
>   Did they,  troll?
>
>   On the persecution of Jews by the Communists:
>
>   
>
>   In August 1919, all Jewish religious communities [in the Communist
> USSR] were dissolved, their property confiscated and the overwhelming
> majority of synagogues shut for ever.  The study of Hebrew and the
> publication of secular works in Hebrew were banned.  Yiddish printing
> was permitted, but only in phonetic transcription, and Yiddish
> culture, though tolerated for a time, was placed under careful
> supervision.
>
>   
>
>
> RJ.

http://www.electronicmuseum.ca/Poland-WW2/ethnic_minorities_occupation/jews_foreword.html


Mark Paul is a contributing author of: "Kielce - July 4, 1946 - Background, 
Context and Events" [1996] and "The Story of Two Shtetls - Bransk and 
Ejszyszki" [1998]; he compiled: "Wartime Rescue of Jews by the Polish 
Catholic Clergy - The Testimony of Survivors" [forthcoming; the internet 
version is posted at www.savingjews.org]; his most recent (in progress) 
works are: "Neighbours on the Eve of the Holocaust - Polish-Jewish Relations 
in Soviet-Occupied Eastern Poland, 1939-1941" [the internet edition posted 
here is an abridged version of a forthcoming publication under the same 
title. The copious annotations to the printed edition have not been included 
in the internet version] and "A Tangled Web - Polish-Jewish Relations in 
Wartime Norteastern Poland and the Aftermath"

* * *

Foreword

On August 23, 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union entered into a 
Nonaggression Pact (the so-called Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact) which paved the 
way for the imminent invasion of Poland. A Secret Protocol to that Pact 
provided for the partition of Poland, as well as for Soviet domination of 
the Baltic States and Bessarabia. Germany attacked Poland on September 1, 
while the Soviet strike was delayed until September 17. Polish forces 
continued to fight pitched battles with the Germans until early October 1939 
(the last large battle was fought at Kock on October 5), after which the 
struggle went underground.

After overrunning Poland, the Nazis and Soviets agreed, under the terms of a 
Secret Supplementary Protocol to the German-Soviet Boundary and Friendship 
Treaty of the 28 of September 1939, to a redrawn common border. Each side 
seized roughly half of Poland, thus ensuring that the country was once again 
wiped off the face of Europe. They also undertook a common struggle against 
the Polish independence movement - to suppress "all beginnings" of "Polish 
agitation" and to keep each other informed of their progress. In fact, this 
ushered in a period of close cooperation between the NKVD and the Gestapo. 
Contacts between the two organizations intensified and conferences were held 
to discuss how best to combat Polish resistance and eradicate Polish 
national existence. A joint instructional centre for officers of the NKVD 
and the Gestapo was opened at Zakopane in December 1939. The decision to 
massacre Polish officers at Katyn was taken concurrently with a conference 
of high officials of the Gestapo and NKVD convened in Zakopane on February 
20, 1940. While the Soviets had undertaken the extermination of captured 
Polish officers, the Germans carried out (starting March 31) a parallel 
"Operation AB" aimed at destroying Poland's elites.

This partnership did not remain a secret for long. On September 19, Pravda 
published a Soviet-German communique confirming the joint role of Hitler's 
and Stalin's armies in the invasion of Poland. On September 30, Pravda 
proudly announced to millions of its readers that: ... German-Soviet 
friendship is now established forever. In a speech delivered before the 
Supreme Soviet on October 31, Vyacheslav Molotov, Chairman of the Council of 
People's Commissars, openly applauded the destruction of Poland:

    ... A short blow at Poland from the German Army, followed by one from 
the Red Army was enough to reduce to nothing this monster child of the 
Treaty of Versailles... . One may like or dislike Hitlerism, but every sane 
person will understand that that ideology cannot be destroyed by force. It 
is, therefore, not only nonsensical, but also criminal to pursue a war for 
the destruction of Hitlerism.

The Nazi-Soviet alliance lasted for over a year and a half - until the 22 of 
June 1941, when Germany turned on its erstwhile ally. During this time, the 
Soviet Union was the principal supplier of much needed raw materials for the 
German war machine which, in the meantime, occupied Denmark, Norway, the 
Netherlands, Belgium, much of France, and smashed the Western allies.

The Soviet invaders struck a major blow not only to Polish statehood, but 
also to Polish institutions, cultural and religious life, state officials 
and military officers, as well as the civilian population. As the evidence 
gathered here shows, in addition to a "class" component which struck at the 
"enemies" of the people (i.e., the Soviet state), the assault also had a 
marked anti-Polish dimension. It was exacerbated by a calculated fueling of 
ethnic tensions which pitted Ukrainians, Belorussians, and Jews against 
ethnic Poles. According to historian Anna Cienciala,

    ... As in German-occupied Poland, Soviet policy was to liquidate the 
educated Poles. At first, Soviet authorities called on the peasants, who 
were predominantly Ukrainian or Belorussian, to "settle accounts" with 
Polish landlords and take what they wanted. This led to a short, but brutal 
period of murder and robbery perpetrated by the worst elements. At the same 
time, Soviet NKVD (security) officers shot many Polish landowners, officers, 
teachers, priests, judges, administrators, policemen, border guards, etc., 
out of hand, according to lists prepared beforehand... . While most of the 
Jewish population of eastern Poland was politically passive, some Jews, 
especially young men and women with communist sympathies, cooperated with 
the Soviets. They became prominent in the new local militia and helped 
Soviet authorities in hunting down Polish political leaders and 
administrators. Although these pro-communist Jews made up a very small 
minority of the total Jewish population, they were highly visible in 
oppressing the Poles.

Thousands of Poles, for the most part civilians and soldiers, perished not 
at the Soviet invaders, but of their fellow citizens in the bloody month of 
September 1939 alone. A particularly heinous crime occurred in Brzostowica 
Mala, near Grodno, where neighbour-on-neighbour violence, which would 
escalate dramatically during the war, was pioneered. As many as fifty Poles 
were tortured and butchered in a paroxysm of violence by a Jewish-led band 
of local pro-communist Jews and Belorussians even BEFORE the arrival of the 
Red Army. Moreover, the tragedy that befell the Poles at the hands of their 
non-Polish neighbours in the Eastern Borderlands in September 1939, where 
crimes were not only tolerated, but incited by the Soviets (and therefore 
carried out with impunity), was a precursor to the events that ensued, when 
those territories were seized by Nazi Germany in June and July 1941. Astute 
observers of the situation on the ground, the Germans actively supported a 
similar policy, this time directing it against communist collaborators and 
Jews.

It is widely recognized by historians that the portrait of Polish-Jewish 
relations, presented in Holocaust historiography, is seriously flawed. 
Writing in The New York Review of Books, Columbia University historian, 
Istvan Deak stated authoritatively:

    ... No issue in Holocaust literature is more burdened by 
misunderstanding, mendacity, and sheer racial prejudice than that of 
Polish-Jewish relations during World War II.

This is doubly compounded in the case of the eastern half of Poland, which 
was occupied by the Soviet Union in 1939-1941 and where the tone of 
Jewish-Polish relations was set by the Jews.

For fifty years it was impossible in communist Poland to write objectively 
about the Soviet invasion, and silence surrounded the fate of the Polish 
population under Soviet rule. Abroad, Polish political emigres were consumed 
with more pressing matters and focused on the deeds of the principal 
perpetrators of Poland's wartime tragedy - the Germans and Soviets. Except 
for memoirs and archival records, most of which were unpublished, the deeds 
of local collaborators were rarely mentioned. Even with the political 
changes that took place in Poland in 1989, no concerted effort was made to 
collect and publish such materials.

This state of affairs played into the hands of Holocaust historians who, 
preoccupied with Jewish victimization under the Nazi regime, ignored, 
glossed over or simply denied the fact of Jewish collaboration with the 
Soviet invaders of Poland both, in 1939-1941 and again, from 1944 onward. 
Indeed, in recent years we have witnessed a concerted effort to relegate 
Jewish misconduct to the realm of unfounded perception on the part of the 
Poles that has no, or little, basis in fact. Thus a serious void or, worse 
still, denial about these thorny issues permeates Western scholarship - at 
most we find apologetics. The most recent, and disturbing, trend in that 
scholarship has been to focus on the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 
June 1941 and play down to the point of dismissing or obscuring the brutal 
Soviet occupation that preceded that event.

Even compelling reports of Jewish collaboration with the Soviet occupiers, 
found in key documents from that period, are ignored or discounted out of 
hand, such as the charge levelled by the legendary Polish courier, Jan 
Karski, who was made an Honorary Citizen of Israel for his role in warning 
the West about the Holocaust and cannot be accused of harbouring hostility 
toward the Jews. Writing in early 1940, at a time when the mass deportations 
of Poles were not yet underway, Karski reported:

    ... The Jews have taken over the majority of the political and 
administrative positions. But what is worse, they are denouncing Poles, 
especially students and politicians (to the secret police), are directing 
the work of the (communist) militia from behind the scenes, are unjustly 
denigrating conditions in Poland before the war. Unfortunately, one must say 
that these incidents are very frequent, and more common than incidents which 
demonstrate loyalty toward Poles or sentiment toward Poland.

A Jewish woman from Wilno concurred with that assessment, when she wrote 
during the war:

    ... Under Bolshevik rule an anti-Jewish current grew significantly. In 
large measure, the Jews themselves were responsible for this... . At every 
turn they mocked Poles, yelled out that their Poland was no more... . The 
Jewish communists dallied with the patriotic sentiments of Poles, denounced 
their illegal conversations, pointed out Polish officers and former 
government officials, freely worked for the NKVD, and took part in 
arrests... . The Bolsheviks on the whole treated Jews favourably, had 
complete faith in them and were confident of their devoted sympathy and 
trust. For that reason they put Jews in all of the leading and influential 
positions which they would not entrust to Poles, who formerly occupied them.

Soon thereafter Jewish collaborators, in their positions as local officials, 
police, and NKVD agents, played a key role in populating the Gulag with 
their Polish neighbours. They identified them and put them on lists of 
"class enemies"; they arrested them and evicted them from their homes; and 
they helped to dispatch them by cattle car to the far reaches of the Soviet 
Union. While certainly not universal, this was by no means a marginal 
phenomenon, and, given the lack of condemnation of such activities by Jewish 
leaders, Poles were entitled to assume that in fact it reflected a 
widespread attitude.

This book argues that the role of Soviet collaborators was analogous to that 
played by the German "fifth column". Indeed, as we shall see, the 
similarities are many and striking. The role of Jews as collaborators and, 
more frequently, as bystanders to the tragedy of Poles, however, was never 
mentioned in Western literature. This notion is widely held to be 
incompatible with the entrenched and comforting view that the Jews were the 
primary victims of the war and could only be victims. The fact that the 
deeds of the Soviets were overshadowed by the incomparable Holocaust 
perpetrated by the Nazi regime, about which there is an enormous awareness, 
also played a large part in shaping our view of the historical record.

Another factor that came into play was that in the West, for a variety of 
reasons, the crimes of communism were downplayed or shrugged off as less 
important than those of the Nazi regime. There was nothing remotely similar 
to the vast array of historical works, memoirs, popular literature, 
journalistic writings, documentaries, films, educational programs, and even 
institutions that deal with the Holocaust. A fuller appreciation of the 
enormity of communist crimes is just beginning to make inroads into the 
consciousness of the West with the publication of books such as The Black 
Book of Communism. And, as in the case of Nazi German crimes, Soviet crimes 
could not have taken place without large numbers of collaborators coming 
forward in the conquered nations.

The present work draws on, but is not restricted to, the efforts of 
scholars, who have treated the topic of Jewish-Polish relations under the 
Soviet occupation. These include: Jan Tomasz Gross, Norman Davies, Antony 
Polonsky, Ben-Cion Pinchuk, Dov Levin, Keith Sword, Ryszard Szawlowski, 
Tadeusz Piotrowski, Bogdan Musial, Marek Wierzbicki, Tomasz Strzembosz, 
Jerzy Robert Nowak, and Andrzej Zbikowski. Altogether, more than eight 
hundred accounts - a significant number of them Jewish - provide the 
evidentiary basis for the conclusions contained in this study. These 
accounts are representative of what occurred in hundreds of cities and towns 
in Eastern Poland.

While the gathering of accounts is still in its infancy, like many aspects 
of wartime Polish-Jewish relations, a fairly clear outline emerges of some 
aspects of Jewish conduct vis-a-vis Poles under Soviet rule. It is an 
immensely important story that has never before been told and one that 
redefines the history of wartime Polish-Jewish relations. There is 
overwhelming evidence that Jews played an important, at times pivotal, role 
in arresting hundreds of Polish officers and officials in the aftermath of 
the September 1939 campaign and in deporting thousands of Poles to the 
Gulag. Collaboration in the destruction of the Polish State and in the 
killing of its officials and military, constituted de facto collaboration 
and treason on behalf of a foreign power and aided, both directly and 
indirectly, the two totalitarian powers - Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, 
which shared a common, criminal purpose and agenda in 1939-1945. As such, it 
is an integral and important aspect of the study of wartime collaboration.

In some respects, Jewish conduct under the Soviet regime mirrored and at 
times foreshadowed and even provoked similar conduct toward Jews on the part 
of some Poles vis-a-vis the Jews under German rule - a point that is 
repeatedly stressed throughout this publication. It is important, however, 
to bear in mind that such collaboration, although a force to be reckoned 
with, was unrepresentative of the overall behaviour of both communities. It 
was the work of a small minority, but given the dire consequences, one 
cannot turn a blind eye to this phenomenon. Apart from collaborators drawn 
>from the margins of society, there were also Jews who assisted Poles (many 
examples of such help are also cited in the annotations), and, far more 
often, those who stood by for various reasons (fear, helplessness, 
indifference, etc.) - the so-called bystanders. Neither the Poles nor the 
Jews as a collective can be charged with complicity in the atrocities 
designed and carried out by the Nazi and Soviet regimes.

Hopefully, Neighbours on the Eve of the Holocaust will help to reinforce the 
gradual and painstaking evolution that has been taking place among some 
probing scholars in recent years in assessing wartime Polish-Jewish 
relations in a much more balanced way. As noted by Istvan Deak,

    ... The Polish Jews were killed by the Germans and not by the Poles, and 
several million Poles were also killed, in their case by both Germany and 
the Soviet Union. It is true that some Poles made life very difficult for 
Jews in the interwar era, and that some Polish people helped the German 
Nazis to hunt down Jews or hunted them down on their own. But it is also 
true that, between 1939 and 1941 in Soviet-occupied Eastern Poland as well 
as after 1944 in all of Poland, some Jews in Soviet or Polish communist 
police uniform hunted down Christian Poles. Poles accused and often still 
accuse the Jews of being communists at the service of a monstrous foreign 
power; Jews accused and often still accuse the Poles of being anti-Semites 
and fascists. Yet the criminals in both camps were only a minority; most 
people were victims. It is wrong to strictly separate the two groups and 
view them as opposed to each other when thousands of Jews served in the 
Polish army, and when many Jews considered themselves both good Poles and 
good Jews.

With the publication of Neighbours on the Eve of the Holocaust, the history 
of Polish-Jewish relations during the Second World War can never again 
revert to the simplistic patterns of the past, which focused exclusively on 
Polish conduct against the backdrop of Jewish victimization. It is safe to 
say, however, that there will be no improvement in understanding 
Polish-Jewish wartime relations until the events that occurred in Eastern 
Poland under the occupation of Hitler's erstwhile ally, the Soviet Union, 
become part of the Holocaust and World War II curriculum in North American 
schools. 



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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fchcjt$1ho$1@pcls6.std.com...
> In article <9dNGi.8120$z_5.6940@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> snow  wrote:
>
>> Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and after WW2
>
>   They were not,  you crazed drug addict.

It is a FACT that they did, I just would like to know why?
You don't know anything on the subject so you need to stuff your fat face 
looser. Let people that do know the subject answer. Besides you are a 
Zionazi who would love for Jews to kill all Muslims. 



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"William Daffer"  wrote in message 
news:NeSdnYQnA4rexHHbnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "snow"  writes:
>
>> Just check out www.zhids.com and you can read about all the atrocities
>> Jews committed in china.
>
>  And you're going use the above to prove that your Holocaust denial
>  isn't entirely a matter of your anti-semitism exactly how?

I do not deny holocaust but I think it is wrong to promote such idea while 
denying Armenian Holocaust. Also history needs to be looked with context to 
better understand the subject and I believe holocaust is taken out of the 
context and unjustly promoted while WW2 had many other victims.


>
>
> whd
> -- 
> David E. Michael comments on the attacks of Sept 11, 2001, where
> Islamic fundamentalists hijacked 4 airlines and crashed them, complete
> with crew and passengers, two into the two World Trade Center's and
> one into the Pentagon, the fourth crashing after the passengers had
> been informed of their fate and decided to risk death to save innocent
> civilisans. These four attacks had a combined death toll of over 3000
> civilians. He writes, approvingly:
>
>
> "It was not a terrorist attack. It was an extremely well-targeted military
> operation in which there were unfortunate civilian casualties. And if that
> operation makes the American government think twice about sponsoring 
> murder
> and oppression overseas then it may indeed save lives in the long run."
>
>
> David E. Michael's idea of a 'military operation.'
>
>
> The full post is:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7%24-_-_-%24%24__%25_-%24%24%25%24%40news.noc.cabal.int&oe=ISO-8859-1 



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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:05:36 -0400



"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fchcg1$5d9$1@pcls6.std.com...
> In article <4vMGi.8116$z_5.4753@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> snow  wrote:
>
>   (snip "Holocaust revisionism" drivel)
>
>   "snow",  why did your beloved Nazis kill these people?
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen01.jpg
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//bergen-belsen/images/belsen02.jpg
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//ohrdruf/images/ohrdruf-02.jpg
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//nordhausen/images/nordhausen-01.jpg
> http://www.chorale-populaire-de-paris.com/IMG/jpg/dachau.jpg
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp.py?camps//buchenwald/images/buchenwald01.jpg
>
> RJ.

These people died because of disease and hunger brought to them by the war. 
But so called witness accounts  are based on hearsay that was mostly 
propaganda. Do you remember how the allies dropped leaflets on peasants to 
turn them against Nazis 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>
>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>news:13elrcneverj599@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>Didn't just Forensic Institute in Krakow proved it once again using
>>>>science
>>>>and scientific method that gas chambers did not exist.  Yet we rely on
>>>
>>> No, that is not what they proved. They proved Fred Leuchter was
>>> a bumbling, incompetent fool.
>>>
>>> See
>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/final-remarks.html
>>> to reduce your abject ignorance, cowardly liar snow.
>
>>It looks like you wrote that article yourself. It is easy to tell because 
>>I
>
> Sorry, Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow, but the article is an accurate 
> OCR-produced
> copy of the original.

The article you have written and consider a copy of the original has two 
paragraphs HTML written. It would look more reliable if you had an image 
copy or PDF copy. I would swear the original article had more than two 
paragraphs and was professionally written by someone who studied english.




>
> Leading Revisionist Scholar snow, it would be unfair, not to mention
> inconsiderate, for anyone to label you as a liar without giving you
> the opportunity to respond by supporting your specious assertions
> with documentary evidence.
>
> Question 1:
>
> On July 25, 2007, you made two claims, to wit:
>
> 1. That no one was gassed at Auschwitz or Majdanek
> 2. That the "gas chamber in aushwitz were build by russians after the
>   so called liberation."
>
> Please document your claims.
>
> Question 2: On July 26, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "I am still having a problem with the myth of gassing the jews."
>
> Please support your assertion with documentary evidence that homocidal
> gassings are a "myth."
>
> Question 3:
>
> On July 26, 2007, you claimed that, "jews come out with awards so they
> could award other jews and it is all based on how much you paid and to
> whom and actually has very little to do with achievements."
>
> Please document these claims.
>
> Question 4:
>
> On July 29, 2007, you claimed, "...McVay in one of the threads stated
> that 'if you question holocaust then you are automatically anti-Semite."
>
> Please provide an exact Google Groups link to any article in which
> I made such a statement.
>
> Question 5:
>
> In article ,
> you wrote:
>
> "In 1931 Stromberg v. California, the Jews defended Communists' free 
> speech
> rights. Six decades later, in R. v. Keegstra, the Jews sued to prevent the
> teaching of an alternative to the Exterminationist theory known as
> "Revisionism" -- and won."
>
> Please provide documentary evidence that Mr. Keegstra was "sued by Jews" 
> as
> you claim, and show how the Supreme Court of Canada lied when it said:
>
>   Mr. James Keegstra was a high school teacher in Eckville,
> Alberta, from the early 1970's until his dismissal in 1982.
> In 1984, Mr. Keegstra was charged under s. 319(2) (then
> 281.2(2)) of the Criminal Code with unlawfully promoting
> hatred against an identifiable group by communicating
> anti-Semitic statements to his students. He was convicted by
> a jury in a trial before McKenzie J. of the Alberta Court of
> Queen's Bench.
>
>   Mr. Keegstra's teachings attributed various evil
> qualities to Jews. He thus described Jews to his pupils as
> ''treacherous'', ''subversive'', ''sadistic'',
> ''money-loving'', ''power hungry'' and ''child killers''. He
> taught his classes that Jewish people seek to destroy
> Christianity and are responsible for depressions, anarchy,
> chaos, wars and revolution. According to Mr. Keegstra, Jews
> ''created the Holocaust to gain sympathy'' and, in contrast
> to the open and honest Christians, were said to be
> deceptive, secretive and inherently evil. Mr. Keegstra
> expected his students to reproduce his teachings in class
> and on exams. If they failed to do so, their marks suffered.
>
>   Prior to his trial, Mr. Keegstra applied to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Alberta for an order quashing the charge on
> a number of grounds, the primary one being that s. 319(2) of
> the Criminal Code unjustifiably infringed his freedom of
> expression as guaranteed by s. 2(b) of the Charter. Among
> the other grounds of appeal was the allegation that the
> defence of truth found in s. 319(3)(a) of the Code violates
> the Charter's presumption of innocence. The application was
> dismissed by Quigley J., and Mr. Keegstra was thereafter
> tried and convicted. He then appealed his conviction to the
> Alberta Court of Appeal, raising the same Charter issues.
> The Court of Appeal unanimously accepted his argument, and
> it is from this judgment that the Crown appeals.
>
>   The Attorneys-General of Canada, Quebec, Ontario,
> Manitoba and New Brunswick, the Canadian Jewish Congress,
> Interamicus, the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith,
> Canada, and the Women's Legal Education and Action Fund
> (L.E.A.F.) have intervened in this appeal in support of the
> Crown. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has
> intervened in support of striking down the impugned
> legislation.
>
> Question 6:
>
> In article , you wrote:
>
> "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust supporting articles are written 
> by
> Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please prove your claim by providing data which supports it. List all 
> "Holocaust
> supporting" articles and document the Jewish background of the authors.
>
>
> Question 7:
>
> On July 30, 2007, you wrote:
>
> "...it was actually American Jews that sold iron and oil to Nazi
> Germany by using Sweden as a proxy since American jews couldn't
> deal directly with Nazi Germany.
>
> "Sweden banks that financed it were run by Jews, as well as proxy
> companies that were setup by jewish bank owners. Swedish people
> didn't have a clue what was being done behind their backs."
>
> Please document these assertions, naming the "American Jews"
> involved and the Swedish banks that were "setup by Jewish bank
> owners."
>
> Question 8:
>
> On July 31, 2007, you asked, "Why is it that most if not all Holocaust 
> supporting
> articles are written by Jews or are sponsored by Jewish organization."
>
> Please provide the data upon which you based these assertions. Include a
> comprehensive list of "Holocaust supporting articles " and their 
> authors,
> and show how each article is either written by a Jew or "sponsored by
> Jewish organizations."
>
> Question 9:
>
> On August 1, 2007, you wrote, "[Wikipedia] is edited by members
> who choose to exaggerate their own race or religion, and jews are
> the forefront of such edits."
>
> Please document your claims - particularly the one about the Jews
> being in the "forefront of such edits."
>
>
> Question 10:
>
> On August 5, 2007, you wrote:
>
>>Ken's website on Majdanek says 1.5 jews killed
>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/camps/maidanek/
>
> ...and...
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Let's visit http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/ and see what we
> find, shall we?
>
> In http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/commission-07, we find the 
> Polish
> Commission (not Nizkor) saying, "The Polish-Soviet Extraordinary
> Commission finds that during the four years the Majdanek Extermination
> Camp was in existence the Hitlerite butchers, on thc direct orders of
> their criminal government, exterminated by means of wholesalc shooting
> and wholesale asphyxiation in gas chambers of about one million five
> hundred thousand persons-Soviet prisoners of war, prisoners of war of
> the former Polish army, and civilians of different nationalities, such
> as Poles, Frenchmen, Italians, Belgians, Netherlanders, Czechs, Serbs,
> Greeks, Croatians and a vast number of Jews."
>
> Gosh, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about what "Nizkor 
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.02 we 
> find
> Nizkor quoting Sachar, who said, "Between February 1942 and July 1944 
> about
> half a million Jews were destroyed there by gassing and by shooting."
>
> Gosh! It seems Leading Revisionist Scholar snow has lied (again) about 
> what "Nizkor
> says."
>
> In the file http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/maidanek/maidanek.03,
> Nizkor cites several sources, including Snyder, who wrote, ""It is
> estimated that 1.5 million inmates were gassed at Maidanek."
>
> (Snyder does NOT, the assertions of Leading Revisionist Scholar snow
> notwithstanding, claim that all the victims were Jewish - that is,
> he was lying - again.)
>
> The same article quotes Davidowitz (1,380,000 dead) and Sachar (500,000 
> dead), while the
> IFZ is quoted as saying that 50,000 *Jews* were murdered there.
>
> The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust is then cited, in a piece on Majdanek 
> written by
> Lublin University's Zygmunt Mankowski, who wrote "close to 500,000 passed
> through. Of those, according to current (1990) estimates, 360,000 died,
> sixty percent from camp conditions, and forty percent from gassing, 
> hanging,
> or being shot."
>
> Mankowski does not, contrary to your blather, claim that all the victims 
> were Jews.
>
> Now we get to the spot where NIZKOR says something, to wit:
>
> "I suspect it may be impossible to determine the numbers, but this article
> (EoH) struck me as reasonable, if for no other reason its mention of the
> transport records and the trials, plus the bibliographic data. I'd
> appreciate it if someone would check the earlier sources cited to 
> determine
> if any orignial source is offered, and get back to us."
>
>>KEN IS LYING!!! to put the holocaust in the best light so people would
>>associate the word HOLOCAUST with the JEWS and WW2 so then JEWS could cash
>>in on HOLOCAUST by producing books, interviews, movies (all are tools of
>>propaganda)
>
> Please retract your lies, Leading Revisionist Scholar snow,
> now that they have been exposed.
>
> Question 11:
>
> In article , on August 15,
> 2007, you authored an article which claimed, quote, "Kenneth McVay a
> pedophile and a child molester who molested his own daughter..."
>
> Please document when and where any of my children have
> made such statements or admit you cannot.
>
> Question 12:
>
> In article , posted on
> August 15, 2007, you made the following allegation:
>
> "NIZKOR's self appointed director Ken McVay involved in tax fraud."
>
> Document your allegation that I am involved in tax fraud, or retract it.
>
> If someone has committed such an offense, you *must* report
> to the federal authorites post haste. Not doing so is, in and of
> itself, a crime.
>
> Are you a criminal AND a liar, Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow?
>
>
> -- 
> 'I fully accept this, it's a fact. The discussion on Auschwitz, the gas
> chambers and the Holocaust is finished ... it's useless to dispute it'.
> (David Irving on Holocaust denial, as quoted by his Austrian lawyer)
> The Nizkor Project:                    http://www.nizkor.org/ 



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Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:56:06 -0400



"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> We will never know for sure, therefore you are entitled to believe
> whatever you are inclined to. Jews and Zionazis have so much invested
> in Einstein that they will attack anyone who would question his
> accomplishments and credentials. Those on the other side are just as
> closed to an open debate about Einstein being a plagiarist. You have a
> right to question because there are some very suspicious things about
> his work and if he did what they claim, he did or not.
>
> Have a nice vegetarian day!

Einstein is so big in USA because Jewish media exaggerated him to be this 
super scientists. On one side you can't blame the Jews because Einstein was 
Jewish so obviously it was a big event in Jewish community.  If Poles had 
the access to American Mass Media then perhaps Copernicus would be a famous 
scientists in USA.  It is really a shame that we idealize a scientist who 
had a lot to do in WMDs when there are many scientists from different ethnic 
background who had done more for human race than Einstein. Seems like Jewish 
ethnicity will get you on first page in American Mass Media.


>
>
> On Sep 16, 12:54 am, Protagonist  wrote:
>> Einstein was also a  strong Zionist supporter, even was offered the
>> presidency of Israel.
>> JS
>>
>> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/einstein.htm
>>
>>   ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as "a rare genius," who drastically changed
>> the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as
>> 'The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,' he has been made an idol to young
>> people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.
>>
>> THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept and moronic
>> person, who could not even tie his own shoelaces; he contributed NOTHING
>> ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On
>> the contrary -- he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled
>> media made him a 'hero.'
> 
> 


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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> ZioNazis murder Palestinians.
> ZioNazis torture Palestinians.
> ZioNazis crush the bones of Palestinian children.
> ZioNazis use Palestinian children as human shields on military
> patrols.
> ZioNazis terrorize them to chase them away from their homes.
> ZioNazis bulldoze Palestinian homes.
> ZioNazis steal Palestinian lands.
>
> ZioNazis are evil.
>
> Nazi Israel should confirm to UN resolution 242 and return ALL the
> Arab lands taken illegally.
>
> ZioNazis want to keep stolen Arab lands.
>
> Palestinian Land Losses
> http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6761/palastinianlandloss8tz.gif
>
> Have a steal Palestinian lands zionazi day!
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 6:05 am, Ken McVay  wrote:
>> [Follow-ups set]
>>
>> September 17
>>
>> 1940
>>
>> Goering signs the order to seize the property of Polish Jews. (NCA II, 
>> 450)
>>
>> September 17-19
>>
>> 1943
>>
>> Jews put up armed resistance to German liquidation of the
>> Lida ghetto in Byelorussia, but only a few manage to escape,
>> and most of the inhabitants are deported to Majdanek. (USHMM 1993, 44)
>>
>> 1944
>>
>> Thirty-six hundred Jewish prisoners are evacuated from
>> Borski Rudnik labor camp in Yugoslavia and moved to
>> Crevenka. During the transfer approximately seven hundred
>> prisoners die. (USHMM 1994, 60)

If holocaust was about systematic killing of jews why didn't Nazis kill 
thirty-six hundred Jewish prisoners, and instead evacuated them from Rudnik, 
Poland to Yugoslavia.
You are not careful McVay, you keep goofing like that and B'nai Brith will 
cut you off.



>>
>>                          Work Cited
>>
>> NCA II. Office of the United States Chief of Counsel for
>> Prosecution of Axis Criminality. Nazi Conspiracy and
>> Aggression, Volume II. Washington: United States Government
>> Printing Office, 1946
>>
>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>    Years Ago: Revolt Amid the Darkness: Days of Remembrance,
>>    April 18-25, 1993. Washington, D.C.: 1993
>>
>> USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
>>    Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
>>    3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
>> --
>> "But I was not diagnosed as 'morbidly obese' you evil
>> kike and you are perpetuating a lie started by your
>> fellow filthy kike hook nosed vermin named ..."
>> (Scott Bradbury, Bellville's Leading Revisionist Scholar)
>
> 


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"Curly C"  wrote in message 
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> I hate Jews as much as holohoaxers hate Germans for killing all those
> poor Jews. Admit it holohoaxers, you hate nazi's, skinheads,
> revisionists, Germans, Italians, etc, etc.
>

Add Poles, Jews hate Poland and Poles and do everything in their power to 
present Poles in negative light and miss present Poland and history.  I 
think it is because Jews want to cover up their conspiring against Poles 
before WW2 and subsequently killing many Poles during Soviet occupation. 



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"Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
> news:13erfh8auj4td50@news.supernews.com...
>> "snow"  wrote in message 
>> news:xEhHi.8318$z_5.4088@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1189921978.265274.115090@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>> We will never know for sure, therefore you are entitled to believe
>>>> whatever you are inclined to. Jews and Zionazis have so much invested
>>>> in Einstein that they will attack anyone who would question his
>>>> accomplishments and credentials. Those on the other side are just as
>>>> closed to an open debate about Einstein being a plagiarist. You have a
>>>> right to question because there are some very suspicious things about
>>>> his work and if he did what they claim, he did or not.
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice vegetarian day!
>>>
>>> Einstein is so big in USA because
>>
>> Because so much of his work has proven to be reliable and usable.
>
> "His" work, keenan?


Einstein worked with Alfred Kleiner and Kleiner was a lead scientists yet 
Einstein is credited not Kleiner who is not too happy with it and. Paul 
Drude was also another scientist that Einstein managed to screw.  Also 
remember that during that time Germany had many more famous scientists such 
as Heinrich Hertz.
In USA the educational system teaches students about scientists but mass 
media only mentions' Einstein and Benjamin Franklin so adult Americans can 
only name those two scientists. One is pure American  BENJAMIN FRANKLIN and 
the second one Jewish EINSTEIN. 



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 wrote in message 
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> On 15 sept, 12:02, "snow"  wrote:
>
> Why so many poles including Soviet Secret police founder Felix
> Dzerzisnky joined the bolshevik party?
>
> --
> Wotan
>

Felix Dzierzynki was involved in communist movement. I understand that when 
Soviet Army occupied Eastern Poland, communists took the opportunity for a 
take over and did so by eliminating opponents.  If you take that Jews and 
Poles both could join Communist Party and both ethnic groups did the 
killings of non-communist Poles.
So the question is why so many JEWS got involved with communism? 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>> "RJ11"  wrote in message 
>> news:fchcjt$1ho$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> > In article <9dNGi.8120$z_5.6940@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> > snow  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and after WW2
>> >
>> >   They were not,  you crazed drug addict.
>>
>> It is a FACT that they did, I just would like to know why?
>
> The "why" is that ... they did NOT.
>
>> You don't know anything on the subject so you need to stuff your fat face
>> looser. Let people that do know the subject answer. Besides you are a
>> Zionazi who would love for Jews to kill all Muslims.
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce


I recently found your picture searching on google.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/month/0104.html&h=129&w=150&sz=3&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-7qKguKUokoy5M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSara%2BSalzman%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

 Did you loose any weight since? Obesity is not healty
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=9860

 



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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:12:47 -0400



"Alan Jones"  wrote in message 
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>
> In article <1190007205.648403.250700@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
> TurkeyBoy   wrote:
>
>> ZioNazis murder Palestinians.
>
> Yeh,  yeh,  yeh.  Last time I saw the news,  the "ZioNazis" gave
> Gaza to the Palestinians,  only to have the latter use it as
> a launch pad to fire rockets at Israeli cities.
>
> Not to mention that the peaceful,  benevolent Palestinians murdered
> well over a 100 of their "brothers" during the recent Hamas takeover.
>
> You're an idiot,  dude.  Wake the fuck up.  And your "have a (whatever)
> day" puns are as funny as a train wreck.


You live in the world of fantasy. The professional violence from Israelis 
does more damage than Palestinian freedom fighters. Israelis have all kinds 
of weaponry given to them by USA while Palestinians don't even have running 
water and electricity.  Israel also controls the trade routes to Palestine.
Palestinians didn't commit suicide bombing since Israel promised to leave 
Gaza strip alone but yet Palestinians are still being abused because they 
voted Hamas.
Instead of watching CNN and FOX news and repeating their propaganda, you 
seem to be intelligent enough to do your own research. It almost sounds like 
you are supporting Neo-conservatives and it has nothing to do with suffering 
of people on both sides of the conflict. 



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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:37 -0400

This is great. You have given us all kinds of data for a change.
Why is that this data given below we (you) consider credible but the data 
>from work camps such as Auschwitz you don't consider credible.  How do you 
choose and pick the credibility of data. What is it based on?
Let us not forget the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943 where usually 
nonviolent Jews actually took arms against Nazis. Some facts about uprising.
April 23, 1943 ghetto Jews posted posters all over Warsaw asking non jews to 
help. Note how the posters distinguished between Jews and gentiles.
May 5th, 1943 Gen. Wladyslaw Sikorsky in his radio speech asked Poles to 
help Warsaw ghetto jews.
May 13, 1943 In London, Shmul Zygielbojm poured gasoline on himself and lit 
himself on fire in protest against the world not condemning Nazis actions in 
Warsaw.
May 16, 1943 Considered last day of uprising when Jurgen Stroop ordered to 
blow up synagogue on Tlomackie street.
7000 Jews died fighting, 50,000 deported to Treblinka.

"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Archive/File: holocaust/poland warsaw.01
> Last-modified: 1993/04/18
>
> 'In late September 1939... Heydrich began to place all Polish Jews in
> ghettos, where they could slowly die of hunger and disease. The Warsaw
> ghetto was the largest of these segregated areas established by the
> Nazis in Poland.
>
> In the summer of 1940 Heydrich, using the excuse that the spread of
> typhus had to be contained, set up a special section 11 miles in
> circumference enclosed by a brick wall 10 feet high.
>
> In September 1940 more than 80,000 gentile Poles living in the
> "infected area" were ordered to leave, and the next month about
> 140,000 Jews living elsewhere in the city were moved in with the
> 240,000 still in the ghetto. Some 360,000 Jews, a third of Warsaw's
> population, were herded into a 3.5-square-mile area. 300 to 400 died
> daily... More than 43,000 starved to death during the first year, and
> 37,000 in the first nine months of 1942.
>
> ...Mass deportations to the gas chambers at Treblinka began. In two
> months 300,000 Jews were eliminated.
>
> ...Fewer than 100 escaped, and of those, only a handful survived the
> war.' (Encyclopedia of the Third Reich, by Dr. Louis L. Snyder, Professor 
> of
> History, The City College and The City University of New York. Paragon
> House, New York, 1989. ISBN 1-55778-144-3)
>
> Mary Berg left us this record of the atmosphere in the Warsaw Ghetto, 
> which
> she wrote on January 10, 1941:
>
> "Last night we went through several hours of mortal terror. At about 11:00
> P.M. a group of Nazi gendarmes broke into the room where our house 
> committee
> was holding a meeting. The Nazis searched the men, took away whatever 
> money
> they found, and then ordered the women to strip, hoping to find concealed
> diamonds. Our subtenant, Mrs. R., who happened to be there, courageously
> protested, declaring that she would not undress in the presence of men. 
> For
> this she received a resounding slap on the face and was searched even more
> harshly than the other women. The women were kept naked for more than two
> hours while the Nazis put their revolvers to their breats and private 
> parts
> and threatened to shoot them all if they did not disgorge dollars or
> diamonds. The beasts did not leave until 2:00 A.M., carrying a scanty loot
> of a few watches, some paltry rings, and a small sum in Polish zlotys. 
> They
> did not find either diamonds or dollars. The inhabitants of the ghetto
> expect such attacks every night, but this does not stop the meetings of 
> the
> house committees." (Berg, Mary. Warsaw Ghetto: A Diary. pseud. Mary
> Wattenberg. Trans. Sylvia Glass and Norbert Guterman. New York: Fisher,
> 1945)
>
> To feel some of the pain and terror associated with the life of the Warsaw
> Ghetto, we need only consider the following, and ask ourselves what it 
> must
> have been like living there....
>
>        Deportations to Treblinka - The District of Warsaw
>
> Date of Deportation Town Number of Deportees
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Warsaw County
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> July 22-Aug. 28, 1942 Warsaw       199,500
> September 3-12        52,000
> September 21         2,200
> Jan. 18-22, 1943         6,000
> April 19 - May 15        15,000
>
> (In the ghetto there were over 100,000 Jews expelled from the counties
> of Grojec, Lowicz, Skierniewice, and Sochaczew-Blonie in
> February-March 1941.)
>
> August 19-20, 1942 Falenica 6,500
> Otwock 7,000
> Rembertow 1,800
> Ludwisin 3,000
> Radzymin 3,000
> Wolomin 2,200
> Jadow   700
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Garwolin County
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> September 27 Laskarzew 1,240
> October 2 Parysow 3,440
>         Sobienie-Jeziory 3,680
>         Sobolew 1,640
>         Zelechow        10,000
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Minsk-Mazowiecki County
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> August 21-22 Minsk-Mazowiecki 6,120
> September 15-27 Kaluszyn 6,000
> Kolbiel 1,000
> Mrozy Kuflew 1,000
> Siennica   700
> Stanislawow   700
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Siedlce County
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> August 22-24, September 26,
> November 30 Siedlce        11,700
> August 22 Losice 5,500
> Mordy 3,800
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sokolow-Wegrow County
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> September 22-25 Sokolow-Podlaski 5,800
> Wegrow 8,300
> Kosow-Lacki 1,100
> Sterdyn 1,100
> Stoczek 2,000
>
> Excerpted from....----------------------------------------------
> BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard Death Camps
> Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987. ISBN 0-253-3429-7
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Files used for these news posts are available to anyone upon request.
> Send email to kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca and request oneb-txt.zip or
> oneb-txt.tar.Z - it will be uuencoded and sent to you as soon as I
> can get around to it.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Other Warsaw reference works from our bibliography include:
>
> Czerniakow. `The Warsaw Diary of Adam Czerniakow', R. Hilberg, S. Staron,
> Friedman, Philip (ed). "Martyrs and Fighters: The Epic of the Warsaw 
> Ghetto"
> Gutman, Yisrael. `The Jews of Warsaw 1939-1943,' Tel Aviv, 1977
> Kurzman, Dan. "The Bravest Battle: The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising"
> Ringelblum, Emmanuel. "Notes From the Warsaw Ghetto" New York: McGraw 
> Hill, 1958
> CZERNIAKOW, Adam, 1880-1942.    The Warsaw diary of Adam... 1979
> GUTMAN, Israel.                 The Jews of Warsaw, 1939-1943 :... 1982
> KAPLAN, Chaim Aron, 1880-       Scroll of agony; the Warsaw diary... 1965
> KAPLAN, Chaim Aron, 1880-       The Warsaw diary of Chaim A. Kaplan. 1973
> KORCZAK, Janusz, 1878-1942.     The Warsaw Ghetto memoirs of... 1979
> RINGELBLUM, Emanuel, 1900-      Notes from the Warsaw ghetto; the... 1958
> The Warsaw ghetto in photographs : 206 views made in 1941.
> (Please obtain our bibliography for complete listings)
>
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:41:44 -0400



"Snoogens Murphy"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 15, 2:06 pm, Mattias Kern 
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:34:41 -0700, "Joe Bruno"  
>> wrote:
>> >"Asterix"  wrote in message
>> >news:su6092tke1c0atqgj5lbpui866uufegdn7@4ax.com...
>> >> Now that the Canadian tax department have a new $30 million task force
>> >> to catch TAX FRAUDS like McVay/Bnai Brith, why not contact the head
>> >> of criminal prosecutions directly?
>> >> If you really want to nail them for tax fraud, send info to
>> >> Head of Criminal prosecutions CRA, attention of :
>> >> Richard Lebelle, phone#: 613-957-9420
>> >Nizkor is a non-profit organization, so all this BS about tax fraud is
>> >nonsense.
>> >Non-profits don't pay income tax.
>>
>> According to officials with CRA [ Canadian IRS], Nizkor is NOT a
>> registered non-profit organisation in Canada!! Feel free to check
>> yourself with Mr.Lebelle of CRA.

I have called. Richard Lebelle wasn't too happy about it, apparently he 
already received many calls about Nizkor.  He said he would get back to me 
but I doubt it. I encourage others to call.  Let's fight scam artists and 
their websites together.


>>
>> It is actually a one-person BUSINESS, out to scam people and
>> swindle  the tax department!!
>
> Why must you turn this newsgroup into a WEB OF LIES?
> 


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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> At its most swollen, the ghetto housed 445,000 Jews, and was the
> largest concentration of Jews and Jewish workers in Poland. The
> ghetto's living conditions would have been irrational if the Germans' 
> designs
> for Polish Jews had accorded any significant place for them to work
> productively; the Germans' policies, in fact, form a textbook plan of how 
> to
> turn healthy, able workers quickly into shadows of human beings, into 
> decrepit
> living skeletons, or real ones. The Warsaw ghetto contained 30 percent of
> Warsaw's population in 2.4 percent of its area, making for a population 
> density
> of 200,000 per square mile. It had a housing density of over 9 people per 
> ROOM
> in every apartment. Water, heating, and sewage were catastrophically
> inadequate. The unbearable overpopulation of the ghetto together with the
> unhealful hygienic conditions were alone bound to produce illness and 
> disease.
> Yet the food situation, which amounted to a policy of planned starvation, 
> made
> these other inhuman conditions, by comparison, seem livable. The official 
> daily
> food ration for Jews of the Warsaw ghetto was 300 calories. For Poles it 
> was
> 634 calories, and for Germans it was 2310. The Jews did not even receive 
> all of
> this pitiful, offical allotment. The predictable, expected consequences of 
> this
> policy occured. The inhabitants of the ghetto quickly reached a permanent 
> state
> of semi-starvation, producing a dangerously weakened population unsuitable 
> for
> sustained work, let alone for physically taxing employment. The number of
> deaths in the ghetto, mainly due to starvation and its attendant 
> afflictions,
> was staggering, averaging about 4,650 Jews per month between May 1941 and 
> May
> 1942, which was over 1 percent of the population each month, or 12 percent 
> a
> year.
>
>                                  Work Cited
>
> Goldhagen, Dr. Daniel. "Hitler's Willing Executioners," Alfred A. Knopf, 
> New York,
> 1996. 289.

Funny how McVay is going to teach us Polish History.

Check out this link for the real history of ghetto. It is in Polish so you 
can either just look at the tables or have babble fish translate for you.  I 
already see that the calories data differs and frankly I myself rather trust 
Polish historians on history of Poland before I trust anyone else.
http://www.dws.xip.pl/reich/zaglada/getto6.html





>
>
> -- 
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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0400



"Mattias Kern"  wrote in message 
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> And never forget the prominente ZYD KOLLABORACI, such as KASTNER,
> RUMKOWSKI, AND WIESENTHAL!!
>
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:25:22 +1000, "Benja'min"  
> wrote:
>
>>Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization
>>in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning
>>the Solution of the Jewish Question
>>in Europe and
>>the Participation of the NMO in the War
>>on the Side of Germany
>>(1941)
>
>>From Lenni Brenner: The Iron Wall, London 1984, pp.195-197.
>
>>Transcribed and marked up by Einde O'Callaghan for REDS - Die Roten.
>
>>It is often stated in the speeches and utterances of the leading statesmen
>>of National Socialist Germany that a prerequisite of the New Order in 
>>Europe
>>requires the radical solution of the Jewish question through evacuation
>>("Jew-free Europe").
>
>>The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for
>>solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and 
>>complete
>>through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people,
>>Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historic
>>boundaries.
>
>>The solving in this manner of the Jewish problem, thus bringing with it 
>>once
>>and for all the liberation of the Jewish people, is the objective of the
>>political activity and the years-long struggle of the Israeli freedom
>>movement, the National Military Organization (Irgun Zvai Leumi) in
>>Palestine.
>
>>The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich
>>government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and
>>towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:
>
>>Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in
>>Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national
>>aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.
>>Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national 
>>Hebraium
>>would be possible and,
>>The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in 
>>the
>>interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power 
>>in
>>the Near East.
>>Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the
>>condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom
>>movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to 
>>actively
>>lake part in the war on Germany's side.
>
>>This offer by the NMO, covering activity in the military, political and
>>information fields, in Palestine and, according to our determined
>>preparations, outside Palestine, would be connected to the military 
>>training
>>and organizing of Jewish manpower in Europe, under the leadership and
>>command of the NMO. These military units would take part in the fight to
>>conquer Palestine, should such a front be decided upon.
>
>>The indirect participation of the Israeli freedom movement in the New 
>>Order
>>in Europe, already in the preparatory stage, would be linked with a
>>positive-radical solution of the European Jewish problem in conformity 
>>with
>>the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Jewish people. This would
>>extraordinarily strengthen the moral basis of the New Order in the eyes of
>>all humanity.
>
>>The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be along the
>>lines of one of the last speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which
>>Herr Hitler emphasized that he would utilize every combination and 
>>coalition
>>in order to isolate and defeat England.
>
>>A brief general view of the formation, essence, and activity of the NMO in
>>Palestine:
>
>>The NMO developed partly out of the Jewish self-defense in Palestine and 
>>the
>>Revisionist movement (New Zionist Organization), with which the NMO was
>>loosely connected through the person of Mr. V. Jabotinsky until his death.
>
>>The pro-English attitude of the Revisionist Organization in Palestine, 
>>which
>>prevented the renewal of the personal union, led in the autumn of this 
>>year
>>to a complete break between it and the NMO as well as to a thereupon
>>following split in the Revisionist movement.
>
>>The goal of the NMO is the establishment of the Jewish state within its
>>historic borders.
>
>>The NMO, in contrast to all Zionist trends, rejects colonizatory
>>infiltration as the only means of making accessible and gradually taking
>>possession of the fatherland and practices its slogan, the struggle and 
>>the
>>sacrifice, as the only true means for the conquest and liberation of
>>Palestine.
>
>>On account of its militant character and its anti-English disposition the
>>NMO is forced, under constant persecutions by the English administration, 
>>to
>>exercise its political activity and the military training of its members 
>>in
>>Palestine in secret.
>
>>The NMO, whose terrorist activities began as early as the autumn of the 
>>year
>>1936, became, after the publication of the British White Papers, 
>>especially
>>prominent in the summer of 1939 through successful intensification of its
>>terroristic activity and sabotage of English properly. At that lime these
>>activities, as well as daily secret radio broadcasts, were noticed and
>>discussed by virtually the entire world press.
>
>>The NMO maintained independent political offices in Warsaw, Paris. London
>>and New York until the beginning of the war.
>
>>The office in Warsaw was mainly concerned with the military organization 
>>and
>>training of the national Zionist youth and was closely connected with the
>>Jewish masseswho, especially in Poland, sustained and enthusiastically
>>supported, in every manner, the fight of the NMO in Palestine. Two
>>newspapers were published in Warsaw (The Deed and Liberated Jerusalem):
>>these were organs of the NMO.
>
>>The office in Warsaw maintained close relations with the former Polish
>>government and those military circles, who brought greatest sympathy and
>>understanding towards the aims of the NMO. Thus, in the year 1939 selected
>>groups of NMO members were sent from Palestine to Poland, where their
>>military training was completed in barracks by Polish officers.
>
>>The negotiations, for the purpose of activating and concertizing their 
>>aid,
>>took place between the NMO and the Polish government in Warsaw - the
>>evidence of which can easily be found in the archives of the former Polish
>>government - were terminated because of the beginning of the war.
>
>>The NMO is closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in its
>>ideology and structure.
>
>>The fighting capacity of the NMO could never be paralyzed or seriously
>>weakened, neither through strong defensive measures by the English
>>administration and the Arabs, nor by those of the Jewish socialists.
>

WIESENTHAL now cashes in by marketing holocaust and taking donations. That 
is one two-faced Jew and there are many more of them. 



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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:08:48 -0400



"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>> news:catamont-5B9B3F.16182216092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > In article ,
>> > "snow"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>> >> news:fchcjt$1ho$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> >> > In article <9dNGi.8120$z_5.6940@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> >> > snow  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and after WW2
>> >> >
>> >> >   They were not,  you crazed drug addict.
>> >>
>> >> It is a FACT that they did, I just would like to know why?
>> >
>> > The "why" is that ... they did NOT.
>> >
>> >> You don't know anything on the subject so you need to stuff your fat 
>> >> face
>> >> looser. Let people that do know the subject answer. Besides you are a
>> >> Zionazi who would love for Jews to kill all Muslims.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>> > -Lenny Bruce
>>
>>
>> I recently found your picture searching on google.
>
> And why, pray tell, were you searching for my picture on Google?
>>
>> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR25/
>
> Ah, the Irving attempt to smear me by reproducing a copyrighted
> photograph without permission. He's a lovely fellow, isn't he?
>
>
>> images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/month/0104.h
>> tml&h=129&w=150&sz=3&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-7qKguKUokoy5M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=96&
>> prev=/images%3Fq%3DSara%2BSalzman%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Df
>> irefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
>>
>>  Did you loose any weight since? Obesity is not healty
>
> As a matter of fact, that picture was taken more than 10 years ago and I
> did "loose" weight since then. About 150 pounds of it. Since you seem so
> fascinated in what I look like, I weight 135 pounds and am a size 8.
>
> Hope that helps.
> Sara

That's great news Sara. I am proud of you.  :)

 http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=9860
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:16:34 -0400



"Philip Mathews"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 15, 5:02 am, "snow"  wrote:
>> Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and after WW2, 
>> arrest
>> many Polish Intellectuals and sent them to Gulags?
>
> Why is the same true for a far greater number of Gentiles, dear boy?
>
> --
> Philip Mathews

Now I agree that gentiles joined communist forces. I am not sure if they did 
it in far greater numbers than Jews.  I actually know of Poles that joined 
communism such as Felix Dzierzynki mentioned by oneeyewotan but the number 
of Poles that joined communism is very small comparing to Jews and perhaps 
eastern European ethnicities (Ukrainians, Belarus, Latvia, Estonia).
If you study history closely you know that Bolsheviks were the majority and 
somehow Jews thought that by joining them they could achieve something.
Now I want to know what the Jews tried to achieve. Was it that Bolsheviks 
promised the Jews their own land?  I could see how a nation or ethnic group 
or religion, however you want to categorize Jews, could want to join up with 
some majority government for some reason.  What was the reason that Jews 
massively joined Communism? I also know that at some point there were plans 
for JudeoPolonia which would divide Poland and give a piece of Poland to the 
Jews. 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>> news:catamont-BC7DE9.18200614092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > In article <1189810136.299167.163610@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>> > LIBERATOR  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Todays Steallth bomber was stolen from Hitler/Goering.
>> >>
>> >> The books you all ought to find and study are Luftwaffe Secret
>> >> Projects Strategic Bombers 1935-1946 - Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode,
>> >> of which the Stealth Bomber as you know it today was fully drawn and
>> >> designed and semi-produced by Goering, before 1945.
>> >>
>> >> THe other book is Luftwaffe Secret Projects Strategic Fighters - by
>> >> Walter Schick and Ingolf Meyer.
>> >>
>> >> Had Germany had 1 more year advanced their technology, they would have
>> >> won the war.
>> >>
>> >> Good thing Steven Spielberg exists, he's going to fix history and
>> >> vindicate Hitler, and show how the Jews steal and murder from other
>> >> cultures in the name of Communism.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1857800923/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5926820-850782
>> >> 0#r
>> >> eader-link
>> >>
>> >> http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/512X4G8WHPL._SS500_.jpg
>> >
>> > No one ever said the Luftwaffe wasn't smart, or that German scientists
>> > didn't develop amazing things.
>> >
>> > Of course, it was the Jewish scientists they threw out of the country
>> > who helped design and build the atomic bomb....
>>
>> I never heard of it. Do you have any proof that Hitler administration 
>> threw
>> out Jews who were helping and designing the atomic bomb?
>
> That's not what I said (or at least not what I meant). I meant Jewish
> scientists who were thrown out of Germany later helped the US design and
> build the atomic bomb.

You are still off Sara.  You just rephrased your sentence from Hitler threw 
Jewish scientists out to Jewish scientists who were thrown out. Still means 
the same. Actually these scientists left Germany on their own because of the 
war and Hitler's radical policy. You can read about Manhattan Project on the 
web and find out that many German scientists also left Germany at that time 
and immigrated to USA and UK on special government issued VISA so they could 
help develop nuclear fusion but a lot of science was already done in 
Germany. As a matter of fact most basics were already discovered.  All that 
was left to be done was to establish a process to manufacture nuclear fusion 
and nuclear weapon.
>>
>> >
>> > Germany could have had lots of time to advance their technology, but
>> > they were led by a madman who wasn't interested in anything but
>> > slaughter. The failure was not of the Luftwaffe, it was because Hitler
>> > rushed into war.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>> > -Lenny Bruce
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in message 
> news:MkgHi.3540$3Y1.809@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>> news:13eo1qjl8l8er69@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article ,
>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>>news:13elrcneverj599@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>>Didn't just Forensic Institute in Krakow proved it once again using
>>>>>>science
>>>>>>and scientific method that gas chambers did not exist.  Yet we rely on
>>>>>
>>>>> No, that is not what they proved. They proved Fred Leuchter was
>>>>> a bumbling, incompetent fool.
>>>>>
>>>>> See
>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/final-remarks.html
>>>>> to reduce your abject ignorance, cowardly liar snow.
>>>
>>>>It looks like you wrote that article yourself. It is easy to tell 
>>>>because I
>>>
>>> Sorry, Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow, but the article is an 
>>> accurate OCR-produced
>>> copy of the original.
>>
>> The article you have written
>
> Copied, you mean.   Mr. McVay makes  no claim to authorship.   In fact, 
> he's quite clear that the text is copied.
>
>> and consider a copy of the original has two paragraphs HTML written.
>
> Is that the total of your objection?
>
> After all, you *are* looking at a webpage.
>
> Apparently HTML is helpful when you need to provide hyperlinks to 
> footnotes and references.
>
> You will find that a plain-text version is also available.
>
>> It would look more reliable if you had an image copy or PDF copy.
>
> You could probably find this yourself, or produce it from the orginal text 
> which is also available elsewhere.
>
> But if you want a PDF of the original, you're going to need to read 
> Polish, don't you think?
>
>> I would swear the original article
>
> The orginal "article" was not an article.   It is a scientific report.
>
> And why exactly would you swear?
>
> Here is your task:
>
> If you are certain that what is at that link is not an accurate 
> reproduction of the final remarks section of the Krakow report,  show how.
>
> And remember, your work *will* be checked for accuracy.  What you "swear" 
> is simply not sufficient.
>
>> had more than two paragraphs
>
> The report certainly does have more than two paragraphs.
>
> The link provided, however, refers only to the "final remarks" section of 
> the report.   And that section is, apparently, only two paragraphs.
>
> If you think it's an inaccurate rendering, by all means, go compare that 
> section with what you find as the original.
>
>> and was professionally written
>
> It was written by professionals, yes.   Professional scientists, who are 
> natives of Poland, and whose first language is Polish.
>
>> by someone who studied english.
>
> How often do you speak and correspond with people whose first language is 
> not English?
>
> Can you speak and write Polish?   Do native Polish speakers and readers 
> accept your written output as perfectly formed?
>
> What exactly makes you think that people whose first language is not 
> English will produce everything to the style of English you are accustomed 
> to?
>
> And remember - you are an American, and there are a number of  English 
> language standards.    Some are rather higher than what you are used to.
>
> In some employment circumstances requiring people with a strong command of 
> the English language, those who have only passed through the American 
> educational system are at a significant disadvantage.   Their English 
> simply isn't good enough.
>
> One might note that some of  your comments don't exactly look like they 
> come from someone who has studied English, or whose first language is 
> English. So what are you complaining about?
>
> Now.   If you have real objections to the accuracy of the rendering, let's 
> see what you can come up with.
>
> HTH
> -pk

Well I would think since NIZKOR is a nonprofit pro-holocaust website it is 
burden of NIZKOR to provide us with accurate information in forms of copies, 
references and copyrights.
And I do read and speak Polish and I did read the original document that was 
written in Polish. As I mentioned above the original document is much longer 
than 2 paragraphs. Also it would very professional if Nizkor could tell us 
who translated the document from Polish to English.
Right now it looks like NIZKOR document is quickly written English version 
not based on the original Polish work but based on hearsay and what mcvay 
thinks they original should read.
The version on NIZKOR in inaccurate summary of the original. 



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"Eugene Holman"  wrote in message 
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> In article , ZULU  wrote:
>
>> Philip Mathews wrote:
>> > On Sep 10, 11:55 am, ZULU  wrote:
>
> 
>> >
>> > Because the decision to stop the mass killing by gassing has nothing
>> > to do with cremation capacity, stupid.
>>
>> So, explain to us why the nazis decided suddenly to stop killing the few 
>> jews
>> remaining at Birkenau
>
> You've got it wrong. Deportations of Jews to Auschwitz continued until
> mid-January, 1945, but the last gassing took place on October 30, 1944
> for reasons that are explained below. Unexpected contingencies that
> arose during the final months of 1944 resulted in Germany, more
> precisely Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, the second most powerful man
> in the Reich and increasingly credible as an alternative to the fading
> Hitler, deciding that it was no longer in Germany's interests to kill or
> be overly abusive toward Jews, even if detentions, confiscations,
> deportations, and incarcerations in concentration camps continued.
> Trainloads of Jews were arriving at Auschwitz every week, neither were
> those found to be uncapable of work being routinely gassed, as had been
> the policy since early 1942.
>
>> despite the "high capacity" they had to do so very
>> quickly...
>
> It's not merely a problem of throughput.
>
> Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler had realized by mid 1944 that Germany
> could not win the war.
>
> Jews, who up until then had been more valuable to Germany dead than
> alive, suddenly became more valuable to it alive than dead.
>
> Himmler got the bright idea that Jews could be used as bargaining chips
> and swapped for sorely needed fuel and vehicles that could be used in
> winter conditions.
>
> When Himmler's negotiations with the Western allies and even with
> international Jewish organizations to pull off such a swap fell through,
> circumstances developed that forced him to devise a different strategy.
>
> On October 7, 1944 the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz-Birkenau revolted,
> and they completely destroyed Krema IV. This news got out and made
> headlines. Policy at Auschwitz was reviewed, and a few weeks later,
> October 30, 1944, the gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau were used for
> the last time. On November 25, 1944, Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmer
> ordered that the four gas chamber plus crematorium complexes there be
> decommissioned and destroyed.
>
> Why? Because the war was going increasingly badly for Germany, and by
> destroying the evidence of massive crimes against humanity at Auschwitz
> Germany, in Himmler's opinion, could go into plausible denial or at
> least demonstrate that it had gone through a change of heart. During
> this period Himmler, whose power was on the ascent while Hitler was
> becoming increasingly divorced from reality, was exploring the
> possibility of having Germany persuade the Western allies to join it in
> the struggle against the Soviet Union. This possibility could not even
> be considered if the systematic destruction of the Jews continued.  When
> the Allies refused to consider this option, and with the Nazi state
> collapsing around him, the desperate Himmler proposed that he and his
> cronies be allowed safe passage out of Germany, asylum in some neutral
> country, and immunity from charges of war crimes. This offer was also
> refused. Finally, in March, 1945, Himmler's Finnish masseur, Felix
> Kersten, was able to use his contacts in Scandinavia to negotiate a deal
> between Himmler and Folke Bernadotte of the Swedish Red Cross to
> evacuate more than 20,000 detainees, several thousand of them Jews, in
> concentration camps located in northern Germany, to Sweden. This
> humanitarian operation did not gain Himmler any friends or respect among
> the Western allies, but it did contribute to alleviating what had become
> a catastrophic situation in Germany by freeing accommodations, food, and
> other resources for the millions of refugees fleeing into the western
> part of Germany before the rapidly advancing Red Army.
>
> You have to understand that in a war situations change rapidly and in
> unexpected directions. Policies that once made sense suddenly become
> completely counterproductive. On January 1, 1944, exterminating Jews
> whose output did not justify their upkeep made good economic sense for
> the Reich, no matter how morally repulsive the policy was. A year later,
> those who could still think rationally were aware of the fact that the
> Reich could not win the war and was soon going to be at the mercy of the
> victors. They understood that it would be best for defeated Germany to
> have the best possible relationship with the Western allies in the post
> war environment to help offset the fury of the Soviets, by far the
> country that had suffered most from Hitler's perfidy. One step towards
> generating the necessary good will was a revision of the policy towards
> the Jews in Nazi captivity. They were far more valuable to Germany as a
> resource for generating the necessary good will if they were alive and
> healthy than if they were corpses, sick, or emaciated.
>
> For information on Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich Himmler's various secret
> negotiations to swap rather than kill Jews, see e.g.
> http://www.orbisenterprises.com/Holoc-1/Holoc-2/holoc-2.html.
>
> For information on the successful rescue operation negotiated between
> Himmler and the Swedish Red Cross, see
> http://www.jstor.org/view/00220094/ap010108/01a00030/0 .
>
> To understand what kind of a person Heinrich Himmler was, and how he
> became Hitler's rival and enemy during the final months of WW II, read
> Peter Padfield's meticulously documented biography:
> http://www.amazon.com/Himmler-Reichs-Fuhrer-SS-Peter-Padfield/dp/03043583
> 98
>
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

Fantastic explanation.  Do you watch a lot of science fiction movies.
Since when RED CROSS would trade and pay for Jews. The reality is that RED 
CROSS was always involved in work camps and did regular check up and visits 
to such work camps.
It is way easier to understand that the work camp had never gassed anyone 
and all deaths were from disease and later starvation and the Jews that 
survived were the ones who didn't get sick and were strong enough to take 
food portions away from the weak. 



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We all know that each country has its own history and each country teach 
their own history. United States being one of the youngest countries also 
has some great history that is being thought.
Israel as being THE YOUNGEST country must also teach history. Since Israel 
was established 60 years ago I would like to know what kind of history do 
they teach in Israel and does Israel's history teaches about Biblical Jews 
and movement and influence of Jews in the world before establishment of 
Israel? 



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"Neil Harrington"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
> news:13e2mb1qhoebf3a@corp.supernews.com...
>> Archive/File: holocaust/poland/lublin lublin.001
>> Last-Modified: 1995/01/09
>>
>>   Mark Weber, whose connections to the German neo-nazi political
>>   movement were firmly established by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre
>>   (Los Angeles) in the Spring of 1993, has this to say about
>>   Auschwitz:
>>
>>      Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and
>>      engineers have been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz
>>      story.  These "revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact
>>      that large numbers of Jews were deported to the camp, or that
>>      many died there, particularly of typhus and other diseases.  But
>>      the compelling evidence they present shows that Auschwitz was
>>      not an extermination center and that the story of mass killings
>>      in "gas chambers" is a myth. (Raven, Auschwitz)
>>
>>   Theodore O'Keefe, an editor with the Institute for Historical
>>   Review, echoed this "typhus excuse" in his article entitled "The
>>   Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies":
>>
>>                         Typhus, Not Poison Gas
>>
>>      If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
>>      Buchenwald, and Bergen- Belsen perish?  Were they tortured to
>>      death?  Deliberately starved?  The answers to these questions
>>      are known as well.  As Dr.  Larson and other Allied medical men
>>      discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the
>>      other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old and terrible
>>      scourge of mankind which until recently flourished in places
>>      where populations were crowded together in circumstances where
>>      public health measures were unknown or had broken down.  Such
>>      was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at
>>      war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing,
>>      quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual
>>      collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems
>>      led to catastrophe. (Raven, Liberation)
>>
>>   In light of such assertions, which attempt to whitewash the
>>   deliberate murder of millions, it might be worthwhile to consider
>>   the following incident, which took place near Lublin, in Poland, in
>>   early 1940:
>>
>>   "On January 14 a group of former soldiers in the Polish army, 880
>>   Jews in all, were taken from the prisoner-of-war camp in Lublin and
>>   told that they were to be marched to the Soviet border where, as
>>   Jews born east of the new Nazi-Soviet demarcation line, they would
>>   be transferred to Soviet authority.
>>
>>   The 880 prisoners were escorted on the march by SS men armed with
>>   rifles and machine guns.  Just before the town of Lubartow, the SS
>>   men opened fire, and more than a hundred of the prisoners-of-war
>>   were killed.  'The invalids were the first to be shot at,' one of
>>   the [prisoners], Avraham Buchman, later recalled, 'because they
>>   were too weak to walk.  There was one man who was shot in the
>>   lung.'<7>
>>
>>   The [prisoners] thought seriously of rebelling; there were only
>>   thirteen guards, albeit armed.  But, as Ringelblum [Archival note:
>>   Emanuel Ringelblum was a young historian who began recording Nazi
>>   actions against Jews in 1933.  He was executed by the Nazis in
>>   1944, after three days of savage beatings.  His diaries survived.
>>   knm] later learned, the guards told them that if any tried to
>>   escape 'that would be a great catastrophe for all the Jews of
>>   Poland'.  Some twenty prisoners-of-war did manage to escape.  But
>>   the retaliation was immediate: three men were killed 'with one
>>   bullet', while the cruellest of the guards 'wantonly killed people
>>   walking along the road'.<8>
>>
>>   That night the [prisoners] were locked in an abandoned stable, and
>>   in the local synagogue.  One the following day, between Lubartow
>>   and Parczew, a second massacre took place: only 400 of the 880
>>   reached the outskirts of Parczew alive.  There, Arieh Helfgot, one
>>   of the survivors, later recalled, 'a delegation of Jews came out to
>>   meet us in order to conduct negotiations with our murderers.  We
>>   were astonished at their courage, as they could quite easily have
>>   died together with us.'
>>
>>   These local Jews gave the SS men money, in return for permission to
>>   provide the [prisoners] with food.  That night the [prisoners]
>>   were again locked in the local synagogue.  But during the night,
>>   with the help of the same local Jews who had come so bravely to
>>   intercede for them, forty of the prisoners managed to escape.  The
>>   local Jews then found them civilian clothers, and hiding places.
>>
>>   On the following morning the remaining 360 [prisoners] were again
>>   marched off, and once more subjected to bursts of machine-gun fire;
>>   less than two hundred survived, to be imprisoned in another
>>   prisoner-of-war camp, at Biala Podlaska. The transfer to Soviet
>>   territory never took place. At Biala Podlaska, refused medical
>>   attention, most of the survivors of the march died of typhus.<9>"
>>   (Gilbert, 110-111)
>>
>>   When Mr. O'Keefe and Mr. Weber, therefore, speak casually (and
>>   callously, I might add) of "deaths from typhus," one would be well
>>   advised to consider the reality, as outlined above. One need not
>>   research the era a great deal to realize that the conditions which
>>   led directly to tens of thousands of deaths from disease and
>>   starvation were deliberately and systematically encouraged by the
>>   Nazi legions.
>
> Interesting story. Assuming for the sake of argument that it's all true, 
> what on earth does any of it have to do with O'Keefe's comments about 
> typhus in the camps being the chief cause of death in the camps?
>
> Even after the camps were liberated by American, British and Russian 
> forces, many thousands of the inmates continued to die for weeks or months 
> afterward, isn't that so? And this despite the fact that after liberation, 
> the camps no longer had the desperate problems of resupply (from Allied 
> destruction of German transport) that had made proper care of the inmates 
> impossible during the last weeks of the war.
>
> If all these continuing deaths were not from typhus, how do you explain 
> them? Do you believe that the Allies were putting the Jews in gas chambers 
> too?

The work camps located in Poland were liberated by Soviet Soldiers who 
themselves didn't receive supplies.  Once soviets came through eastern 
Poland they just left the work camp prisoners be. It was up to the human 
organization such as RED CROSS to help the prisoners, unfortunately soviet 
forces did not allow any humanitarian aid or help to reach the prisoners. 
The freed prisoners were taken care off by Polish peasants from surrounding 
villages.  Many prisoners died because of disease soon after soviet 
liberation. 



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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fcpb3s$6ua$1@pcls4.std.com...
>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>
>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>
>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>
>   
>
>   A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
> conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists,  headed by
> Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland,  who is the
> author of more than 130 papers on archaeology.  The team studied the site
> of the death camp,  drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
> samples.  The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
> "BELZEC.  THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
> Excavations 1997-1999".  ISBN 83-905590-6-4).  The study has recovered
> human remains over a very large area,  to a depth of up to six meters.
> The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
>
> RJ.

Have you read that report because I have and it seems like you missed the 
important part which is that the excavation didn't take place to identify 
the bodies. The team drilled holes so they could identify possible location 
of such mass graves so when the memorial was build, it wouldn't be build 
over any graves.  It is very difficult to determine an ethnicity through 
core samples and drilling. The mass graves could as well be of Poles killed 
by NKVD or Nazis or it could be just some old cemetery  United States 
Holocaust Memorial Museum sponsored the investigation so it could build the 
memorial. I guess US Holocaust Memorial Museum was too cheap to sponsor the 
excavation and exhume and identify the bodies., but I am sure they have 
enough money to build a nice Memorial and then charge the visitors. So the 
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum didn't really care about the dead 
and bodies, all they wanted to do is make sure they don't build a building 
or a statue on the mass graves. 



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Israel wouldn't release Salomon Morel to Poland for his crimes against 
humanity so I don't really expect Israel to release Icek Arad to Lithuania.


http://www.interfax-news.com/3/312115/news.aspx

  VILNIUS.  Sept  11  (Interfax)  -  Lithuania has requested that the
Israeli  authorities  facilitate  the questioning of prominent historian
and Holocaust researcher Yitzhak Arad regarding his partisan past during
World War  II  and  his  supposed subsequent service for the Soviet NKVD
security police.
     "The pretrial investigation documents of this criminal case include
enough data to assume that the suspect Yitzhak Arad might have committed
criminal deeds in Lithuania," the Lithuanian Prosecutor General's Office
said in a press release.
     According  to the Lithuanian prosecution authorities, Arad joined a
Soviet partisan  squad  while Lithuania was occupied by Nazi Germany and
then served  with the NKVD. He is suspected of involvement in executions
of Lithuanian  civilians  and  members  of  the  anti-Soviet  resistance
movement, the statement says.
     Following  WWII,  Arad  served for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)
and was  promoted  to  brigadier  general.  After retirement in 1972, he
became a  historian  and  a Holocaust researcher. He was the director of
Yad Vashem,  the  Israeli  Holocaust Remembrance Authority, for 21 years
>from 1972 to 1991. 



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"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>> news:catamont-993E4A.19505617092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > In article ,
>> > "snow"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>> >> news:catamont-5B9B3F.16182216092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> >> > In article ,
>> >> > "snow"  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>> >> >> news:fchcjt$1ho$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> >> >> > In article <9dNGi.8120$z_5.6940@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> >> >> > snow  wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and after 
>> >> >> >> WW2
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >   They were not,  you crazed drug addict.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It is a FACT that they did, I just would like to know why?
>> >> >
>> >> > The "why" is that ... they did NOT.
>> >> >
>> >> >> You don't know anything on the subject so you need to stuff your 
>> >> >> fat
>> >> >> face
>> >> >> looser. Let people that do know the subject answer. Besides you are 
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> Zionazi who would love for Jews to kill all Muslims.
>> >> >
>> >> > -- 
>> >> > Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>> >> > -Lenny Bruce
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I recently found your picture searching on google.
>> >
>> > And why, pray tell, were you searching for my picture on Google?
>> >>
>> >> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR
>> >> 25/
>> >
>> > Ah, the Irving attempt to smear me by reproducing a copyrighted
>> > photograph without permission. He's a lovely fellow, isn't he?
>> >
>> >
>> >> images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/month/010
>> >> 4.h
>> >> tml&h=129&w=150&sz=3&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-7qKguKUokoy5M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=
>> >> 96&
>> >> prev=/images%3Fq%3DSara%2BSalzman%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%
>> >> 3Df
>> >> irefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
>> >>
>> >>  Did you loose any weight since? Obesity is not healty
>> >
>> > As a matter of fact, that picture was taken more than 10 years ago and 
>> > I
>> > did "loose" weight since then. About 150 pounds of it. Since you seem 
>> > so
>> > fascinated in what I look like, I weight 135 pounds and am a size 8.
>> >
>> > Hope that helps.
>> > Sara
>>
>> That's great news Sara. I am proud of you.  :)
>
> And yet you haven't answered why you were searching for my picture on
> Google.

Actually I came across some link in some old post that I clicked on and 
there you were. I am going to leave Google research to RJ11

>
>>
>>  http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=9860
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>> > -Lenny Bruce
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce 



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"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
>> news:13eraeu8kkgu236@news.supernews.com...
>>> "snow"  wrote in message 
>>> news:MkgHi.3540$3Y1.809@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:13eo1qjl8l8er69@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> In article ,
>>>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:13elrcneverj599@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Didn't just Forensic Institute in Krakow proved it once again using
>>>>>>>>science
>>>>>>>>and scientific method that gas chambers did not exist.  Yet we rely 
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, that is not what they proved. They proved Fred Leuchter was
>>>>>>> a bumbling, incompetent fool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/final-remarks.html
>>>>>>> to reduce your abject ignorance, cowardly liar snow.
>>>>>
>>>>>>It looks like you wrote that article yourself. It is easy to tell 
>>>>>>because I
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow, but the article is an 
>>>>> accurate OCR-produced
>>>>> copy of the original.
>>>>
>>>> The article you have written
>>>
>>> Copied, you mean.   Mr. McVay makes  no claim to authorship.   In fact, 
>>> he's quite clear that the text is copied.
>>>
>>>> and consider a copy of the original has two paragraphs HTML written.
>>>
>>> Is that the total of your objection?
>>>
>>> After all, you *are* looking at a webpage.
>>>
>>> Apparently HTML is helpful when you need to provide hyperlinks to 
>>> footnotes and references.
>>>
>>> You will find that a plain-text version is also available.
>>>
>>>> It would look more reliable if you had an image copy or PDF copy.
>>>
>>> You could probably find this yourself, or produce it from the orginal 
>>> text which is also available elsewhere.
>>>
>>> But if you want a PDF of the original, you're going to need to read 
>>> Polish, don't you think?
>>>
>>>> I would swear the original article
>>>
>>> The orginal "article" was not an article.   It is a scientific report.
>>>
>>> And why exactly would you swear?
>>>
>>> Here is your task:
>>>
>>> If you are certain that what is at that link is not an accurate 
>>> reproduction of the final remarks section of the Krakow report,  show 
>>> how.
>>>
>>> And remember, your work *will* be checked for accuracy.  What you 
>>> "swear" is simply not sufficient.
>>>
>>>> had more than two paragraphs
>>>
>>> The report certainly does have more than two paragraphs.
>>>
>>> The link provided, however, refers only to the "final remarks" section 
>>> of the report.   And that section is, apparently, only two paragraphs.
>>>
>>> If you think it's an inaccurate rendering, by all means, go compare that 
>>> section with what you find as the original.
>>>
>>>> and was professionally written
>>>
>>> It was written by professionals, yes.   Professional scientists, who are 
>>> natives of Poland, and whose first language is Polish.
>>>
>>>> by someone who studied english.
>>>
>>> How often do you speak and correspond with people whose first language 
>>> is not English?
>>>
>>> Can you speak and write Polish?   Do native Polish speakers and readers 
>>> accept your written output as perfectly formed?
>>>
>>> What exactly makes you think that people whose first language is not 
>>> English will produce everything to the style of English you are 
>>> accustomed to?
>>>
>>> And remember - you are an American, and there are a number of  English 
>>> language standards.    Some are rather higher than what you are used to.
>>>
>>> In some employment circumstances requiring people with a strong command 
>>> of the English language, those who have only passed through the American 
>>> educational system are at a significant disadvantage.   Their English 
>>> simply isn't good enough.
>>>
>>> One might note that some of  your comments don't exactly look like they 
>>> come from someone who has studied English, or whose first language is 
>>> English. So what are you complaining about?
>>>
>>> Now.   If you have real objections to the accuracy of the rendering, 
>>> let's see what you can come up with.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> -pk
>>
>> Well I would think since NIZKOR is a nonprofit pro-holocaust website it 
>> is burden of NIZKOR to provide us with accurate information in forms of 
>> copies, references and copyrights.
>
> References and copyrights are there.
>
> If you want them to host images, feel free to donate so that they can buy 
> the hardware and do the work.
>
>> And I do read and speak Polish and I did read the original document that 
>> was written in Polish. As I mentioned above the original document is much 
>> longer than 2 paragraphs.
>
> Yes.   It's only the final remarks, which are on the page you cited.
>
> Other pages have the rest of the document.
>
>> Also it would very professional if Nizkor could tell us who translated 
>> the document from Polish to English.
>> Right now it looks like NIZKOR document is quickly written English 
>> version not based on the original Polish work but based on hearsay and 
>> what mcvay thinks they original should read.
>> The version on NIZKOR in inaccurate summary of the original.
>
> Are you sure you actually read the correct pages?
>
> If you think it is inaccurate, post your own translation.
>
> -pk
>
Thanks for the offer but it is not my business to do any translations for 
any institutions. I just merely wanted to let others know that the NIZKOR 
copy is not really a full copy but a summary very poorly translated from the 
original. 



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C'mon grandpa McVay, you are a joke and laughing example of what Holocaust 
shouldn't be about.  Even Jewish community doesn't think much of you.  Many 
REAL historians and by real I mean people who actually WENT to school and 
studied also don't think much of you.
The only couple people who might actually care about you are just a few 
people from this newsgroup.
Do a search on your name on each of the search engines and all you get is 
people making fun at your expanse. Hundreds of web pages from many 
individuals as well as known institutions. Perhaps different language 
between individuals like myself and institutions but the message is the 
same.
You Are A JOKE.



"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> In article <6WVHi.4811$7P7.4789@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>Well I would think since NIZKOR is a nonprofit pro-holocaust website it is
>>burden of NIZKOR to provide us with accurate information in forms of 
>>copies,
>>references and copyrights.
>>And I do read and speak Polish and I did read the original document that 
>>was
>>written in Polish. As I mentioned above the original document is much 
>>longer
>>than 2 paragraphs. Also it would very professional if Nizkor could tell us
>>who translated the document from Polish to English.
>>Right now it looks like NIZKOR document is quickly written English version
>>not based on the original Polish work but based on hearsay and what mcvay
>>thinks they original should read.
>>The version on NIZKOR in inaccurate summary of the original.
>
> The version on NIZKOR was scanned from an ENGLISH LANGUAGE copy of the 
> report
> published by the Krakow Forensics Institute, Leading Revisionist Moron 
> snow.
>
> I suggest you contact them and request your own copy, then point out how 
> badly
> they speak English. I am certain they will appreciate hearing from a 
> racist
> twit like you.
>
> -- 
> "My name is not 'Fatbury Scumbag' you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name
> call is all a pathetic loser like you has!  You have yet to prove me
> wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!" (Scott Bradbury, The Leading
> Revisionist Scholar of Bellville, Texas) 



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"Chris C. Larson"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 10, 7:47 pm, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>> Straighten out your own house first. Holocaust eye witnesses new are
>> conflicting at times. For more than 60 years we only see your version. 
>> The
>> question now is there another one ?
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
> You piece of shit- there you again lying!  You had your saviour,
> Leuchter out digging around over there awhile back. So, you don't
> "count" him anymore?  Has the embarrassment of him having written his
> "report" before he even left on his trip kind of got you
> disillusioned?
>
> I knew a camp survivor. So you can stop your game now, Knoll-unless
> you still wish to serve as the newsgroup joke. Still "sticking your
> penis in your ear", by the way?


I knew of holocaust survivor also. Salomon Morel aka Shlomo Homo Morel.
 



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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fcpbet$k8n$1@pcls6.std.com...
> In article ,
> snow  wrote:
>
>   (snip)
>
>   "That we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die of hunger should be
> noted only marginally" -- Hans Frank,  the Governor-General of the
> "Generalgouvernement" (part of Nazi-occupied Poland),  speaking about
> the Jews under his jurisdiction,  on 24 August 1942.  Source:  "Nazi
> Conspiracy and Aggression",  Vol. IV,  page 900.
>
> RJ.

Does RJ stand for Retarded Jew?  Hans Frank didn't speak English you dumb 
retard.  Also there are over two million Iraqis that died of starvation in 
past 5 years of US occupation of IRAQ, so what, war is war, you don't see 
anything major going on right now because there are 2 million Iraqis dead. 
So what do you think war was 60 years ago. 



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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 18, 2:50 am, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> In article ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  "snow"  wrote:
>> > "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>> >news:catamont-5B9B3F.16182216092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> > > In article ,
>> > > "snow"  wrote:
>>
>> > >> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>> > >>news:fchcjt$1ho$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> > >> > In article <9dNGi.8120$z_5.6...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> > >> > snow  wrote:
>>
>> > >> >> Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and after 
>> > >> >> WW2
>>
>> > >> >   They were not,  you crazed drug addict.
>>
>> > >> It is a FACT that they did, I just would like to know why?
>>
>> > > The "why" is that ... they did NOT.
>>
>> > >> You don't know anything on the subject so you need to stuff your fat 
>> > >> face
>> > >> looser. Let people that do know the subject answer. Besides you are 
>> > >> a
>> > >> Zionazi who would love for Jews to kill all Muslims.
>>
>> > > --
>> > > Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>> > > -Lenny Bruce
>>
>> > I recently found your picture searching on google.
>>
>> And why, pray tell, were you searching for my picture on Google?
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionRep...
>>
>> Ah, the Irving attempt to smear me by reproducing a copyrighted
>> photograph without permission. He's a lovely fellow, isn't he?
>>
>> > images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/month/0104.h
>> > tml&h=129&w=150&sz=3&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-7qKguKUokoy5M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=­96&
>> > prev=/images%3Fq%3DSara%2BSalzman%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%­3Df
>> > irefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
>>
>> >  Did you loose any weight since? Obesity is not healty
>>
>> As a matter of fact, that picture was taken more than 10 years ago and I
>> did "loose" weight since then. About 150 pounds of it. Since you seem so
>> fascinated in what I look like, I weight 135 pounds and am a size 8.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>> Sara
>
> It does not explain, "Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and
> NKVD and after WW2, arrest many Polish Intellectuals and sent them to
> Gulags".
>
> I also find it hard to believe that you took off 150 pounds and kept
> it off. Medical research shows that eating disorders are the most
> difficult to control and obese people have a much higher rate of
> failure than heroin addicts and alcoholics. Obesity is a difficult
> thing to deal with especially for people with serious emotional and
> mental problems. It does not mean that you should not try to control
> your obesity but you should never feel that you have overcome it
> either.
>
> Have a nice coconut cream pie day!
>

Would be great if someone intelligent could give me an answer. I can only 
think of one reason and that is JudeoPolonia which is Poland divided once 
again but this time some established as Jewish Land.
Instead The Allies won the war and established biblical Israel on 
Palestinian grounds for the Jews and it looks like jews are trying to make 
the best out of it and are keeping Muslims in checks. I am afraid of that 
the Jews never really gave up the idea of JudeoPolonia that is why now they 
are coming down with all kinds of property claims toward Poland.
But I would like to know what was so attractive that many Jews joined 
communism (some Poles did also) but to join NKVD and to commit such acts, it's 
a little too much. There had to be a reason. 



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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 19, 8:06 am, "snow"  wrote:
>> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1190179848.595591.267130@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 18, 2:50 am, Sara Salzman  wrote:
>> >> In article ,
>>
>> >>  "snow"  wrote:
>> >> > "Sara Salzman"  wrote in message
>> >> >news:catamont-5B9B3F.16182216092007@news-40.giganews.com...
>> >> > > In article ,
>> >> > > "snow"  wrote:
>>
>> >> > >> "RJ11"  wrote in message
>> >> > >>news:fchcjt$1ho$1@pcls6.std.com...
>> >> > >> > In article <9dNGi.8120$z_5.6...@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> >> > >> > snow  wrote:
>>
>> >> > >> >> Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and NKVD and 
>> >> > >> >> after
>> >> > >> >> WW2
>>
>> >> > >> >   They were not,  you crazed drug addict.
>>
>> >> > >> It is a FACT that they did, I just would like to know why?
>>
>> >> > > The "why" is that ... they did NOT.
>>
>> >> > >> You don't know anything on the subject so you need to stuff your 
>> >> > >> fat
>> >> > >> face
>> >> > >> looser. Let people that do know the subject answer. Besides you 
>> >> > >> are
>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> Zionazi who would love for Jews to kill all Muslims.
>>
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
>> >> > > -Lenny Bruce
>>
>> >> > I recently found your picture searching on google.
>>
>> >> And why, pray tell, were you searching for my picture on Google?
>>
>> >> >http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionRep...
>>
>> >> Ah, the Irving attempt to smear me by reproducing a copyrighted
>> >> photograph without permission. He's a lovely fellow, isn't he?
>>
>> >> > images/Sara_Salzman_150.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/month/0104.h
>> >> > tml&h=129&w=150&sz=3&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=-7qKguKUokoy5M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=­­96&
>> >> > prev=/images%3Fq%3DSara%2BSalzman%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%­­3Df
>> >> > irefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
>>
>> >> >  Did you loose any weight since? Obesity is not healty
>>
>> >> As a matter of fact, that picture was taken more than 10 years ago and 
>> >> I
>> >> did "loose" weight since then. About 150 pounds of it. Since you seem 
>> >> so
>> >> fascinated in what I look like, I weight 135 pounds and am a size 8.
>>
>> >> Hope that helps.
>> >> Sara
>>
>> > It does not explain, "Why did Jews were so eager to join Communism and
>> > NKVD and after WW2, arrest many Polish Intellectuals and sent them to
>> > Gulags".
>>
>> > I also find it hard to believe that you took off 150 pounds and kept
>> > it off. Medical research shows that eating disorders are the most
>> > difficult to control and obese people have a much higher rate of
>> > failure than heroin addicts and alcoholics. Obesity is a difficult
>> > thing to deal with especially for people with serious emotional and
>> > mental problems. It does not mean that you should not try to control
>> > your obesity but you should never feel that you have overcome it
>> > either.
>>
>> > Have a nice coconut cream pie day!
>>
>> Would be great if someone intelligent could give me an answer. I can only
>> think of one reason and that is JudeoPolonia which is Poland divided once
>> again but this time some established as Jewish Land.
>> Instead The Allies won the war and established biblical Israel on
>> Palestinian grounds for the Jews and it looks like jews are trying to 
>> make
>> the best out of it and are keeping Muslims in checks. I am afraid of that
>> the Jews never really gave up the idea of JudeoPolonia that is why now 
>> they
>> are coming down with all kinds of property claims toward Poland.
>> But I would like to know what was so attractive that many Jews joined
>> communism (some Poles did also) but to join NKVD and to commit such acts, 
>> it's
>> a little too much. There had to be a reason.
>
> It is about power and exploitation. There were so many Jewish
> Communists during the Soviet era because it allowed them power over
> others. If Hitler was not so adverse to Jews, I am sure that Jews
> would have joined the Nazis in throngs also. It is a mistake to assume
> that Jews follow any ideology because they do not. Today, Jews gained
> control of US foreign policy and using it to terrorize millions of
> people. What is the difference between the Zionazis of today and
> Stalin's Jewish Communists? I see no real difference, just different
> opportunities for exploitation and power.
>
> Look at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians did not
> declare war on Israel but the zionazis stole their land and continue
> to steal their land regardless. Most Palestinians are tired of
> conflict and would gladly settle for the 1947 UN partition. If you
> followed my exchange with Salzman, these zionazis want no part of a
> just peace. They want to keep the Arab lands and complain about Arab
> violence. What do they expect?
>
> Jews can be very smart but also very stupid. Their conduct has caused
> people to dislike them to the point that when someone like Hitler
> decided to go after them, they found that they had very few friends to
> stand by them. The periodic tragedies that Jews suffer could be
> avoided if they would only be smart enough not take too much advantage
> of others but instead get along with their neighbors.
>
> Finding out that Jews were part of Young Turks responsible for the
> Armenian Holocaust makes me wonder about fate. It seems that what goes
> around comes around.
>
> Have a nice vegetarian day!
>

I am thinking that since Jews didn't have their own land for so many 
centuries somewhere amongst Jewish leaders the idea of having own land had 
to originate. I mean, I look at history of Poland and it has more to do with 
Jews than anything else.  Jews settled in Poland throughout the centuries 
without any restrictions. At some point 10% of population of Poland 
considered themselves of Jewish religion.
I found this about Poland and Jews http://www.cyberroad.com/poland/jews.html 
but the website has no sources and gives general information. 



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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:08:25 -0400

Most Americans don't study history of Poland, American education system 
barely touches on History of Europe until one chooses to take such class in 
college and even there the focus is more on American influence on Europe 
than on relationship of European countries on each other.
Perhaps that's one of the reasons why Holocaust in United States is so 
bloated and over-marketed.

A great start to learn about Jewish-Polish relationship would be by reading 
Mike Rosenzweig's website http://members.core.com/~mikerose/ 



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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:20:25 -0400



"Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
> news:13f0b567759b11e@news.supernews.com...
>
>
>>>
>>> Well I would think since NIZKOR is a nonprofit pro-holocaust website it 
>>> is burden of NIZKOR to provide us with accurate information in forms of 
>>> copies, references and copyrights.
>>
>> References and copyrights are there.
>
> Yeah!  Right!
>>
>> If you want them to host images, feel free to donate so that they can buy 
>> the hardware and do the work.
>
> McFey receives more than enough money from the yid industry to be able to 
> post images, keenan.
>>
>>> And I do read and speak Polish and I did read the original document that 
>>> was written in Polish. As I mentioned above the original document is 
>>> much longer than 2 paragraphs.
>>
>> Yes.   It's only the final remarks, which are on the page you cited.
>>
>> Other pages have the rest of the document.
>>
>>> Also it would very professional if Nizkor could tell us who translated 
>>> the document from Polish to English.
>>> Right now it looks like NIZKOR document is quickly written English 
>>> version not based on the original Polish work but based on hearsay and 
>>> what mcvay thinks they original should read.
>>> The version on NIZKOR in inaccurate summary of the original.
>>
>> Are you sure you actually read the correct pages?
>>
>> If you think it is inaccurate, post your own translation.
>
> You speak Polish now, keenan?
>
> Such an expert, on everything, you.
>
> Never mind - You're not long for this world. Another miserable old fart 
> about to meet his maker.
>

People in senior years often have health problems, some mild, some severe. 
Alzheimer is one the severe diseases that strikes our beloved seniors. 
Sclerosis is another severe disease that may strike a senior citizen. 
Medications and disease have adverse effects on our senior community, some 
seniors lose their memory, some remember things that never happened, yet 
some think they know other languages and some even try to speak other 
languages.  I encourage anyone to visit senior citizen house and volunteer, 
if you can not volunteer, I am sure they will donations.  Instead donating 
to McVay so he could buy his Alzheimer's medicine, donate to senior citizen 
center so you would help many senior citizens, not just one. 



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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:28:40 -0400



"Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in message 
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>> C'mon grandpa McVay, you are a joke and laughing example of what 
>> Holocaust shouldn't be about.  Even Jewish community doesn't think much 
>> of you. Many REAL historians and by real I mean people who actually WENT 
>> to school and studied also don't think much of you.
>> The only couple people who might actually care about you are just a few 
>> people from this newsgroup.
>> Do a search on your name on each of the search engines and all you get is 
>> people making fun at your expanse. Hundreds of web pages from many 
>> individuals as well as known institutions. Perhaps different language 
>> between individuals like myself and institutions but the message is the 
>> same.
>> You Are A JOKE.
>
> He is one of the yid industry's most productive useful idiots.
>
> He's too fucking thick to see he's being, and has been, used.

You are so right, except perhaps he is not too thick but he knows what he is 
doing but it pays car payment and pays house mortgage and McVay still has 
enough left to live in luxury and health insurance so he continues with his 
crap. I mean, he can't have an intelligent argument. All he does is 
cross-posts and auto posts  somebody else's work to many newsgroups. 
Download Auto Poster Pro and you can do the same.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
>> news:13f147tbhhi5na8@corp.supernews.com...
>>> In article <6WVHi.4811$7P7.4789@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>Well I would think since NIZKOR is a nonprofit pro-holocaust website it 
>>>>is
>>>>burden of NIZKOR to provide us with accurate information in forms of 
>>>>copies,
>>>>references and copyrights.
>>>>And I do read and speak Polish and I did read the original document that 
>>>>was
>>>>written in Polish. As I mentioned above the original document is much 
>>>>longer
>>>>than 2 paragraphs. Also it would very professional if Nizkor could tell 
>>>>us
>>>>who translated the document from Polish to English.
>>>>Right now it looks like NIZKOR document is quickly written English 
>>>>version
>>>>not based on the original Polish work but based on hearsay and what 
>>>>mcvay
>>>>thinks they original should read.
>>>>The version on NIZKOR in inaccurate summary of the original.
>>>
>>> The version on NIZKOR was scanned from an ENGLISH LANGUAGE copy of the 
>>> report
>>> published by the Krakow Forensics Institute, Leading Revisionist Moron 
>>> snow.
>>>
>>> I suggest you contact them and request your own copy, then point out how 
>>> badly
>>> they speak English. I am certain they will appreciate hearing from a 
>>> racist
>>> twit like you.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> "My name is not 'Fatbury Scumbag' you stupid lying Jew bastard. Name
>>> call is all a pathetic loser like you has!  You have yet to prove me
>>> wrong you dirty filthy lying Jew bastard!" (Scott Bradbury, The Leading
>>> Revisionist Scholar of Bellville, Texas)
>>
> 


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"snow"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Chris C. Larson"  wrote in message 
> news:1190170328.176006.40200@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 10, 7:47 pm, "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
>>> Straighten out your own house first. Holocaust eye witnesses new are
>>> conflicting at times. For more than 60 years we only see your version. 
>>> The
>>> question now is there another one ?
>>> Kurt Knoll.
>>
>> You piece of shit- there you again lying!  You had your saviour,
>> Leuchter out digging around over there awhile back. So, you don't
>> "count" him anymore?  Has the embarrassment of him having written his
>> "report" before he even left on his trip kind of got you
>> disillusioned?
>>
>> I knew a camp survivor. So you can stop your game now, Knoll-unless
>> you still wish to serve as the newsgroup joke. Still "sticking your
>> penis in your ear", by the way?
>
>
> I knew of holocaust survivor also. Salomon Morel aka Shlomo Homo Morel.
>
>
http://www.interfax-news.com/3/312115/news.aspx

  VILNIUS.  Sept  11  (Interfax)  -  Lithuania has requested that the
Israeli  authorities  facilitate  the questioning of prominent historian
and Holocaust researcher Yitzhak Arad regarding his partisan past during
World War  II  and  his  supposed subsequent service for the Soviet NKVD
security police.
     "The pretrial investigation documents of this criminal case include
enough data to assume that the suspect Yitzhak Arad might have committed
criminal deeds in Lithuania," the Lithuanian Prosecutor General's Office
said in a press release.
     According  to the Lithuanian prosecution authorities, Arad joined a
Soviet partisan  squad  while Lithuania was occupied by Nazi Germany and
then served  with the NKVD. He is suspected of involvement in executions
of Lithuanian  civilians  and  members  of  the  anti-Soviet  resistance
movement, the statement says.
     Following  WWII,  Arad  served for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)
and was  promoted  to  brigadier  general.  After retirement in 1972, he
became a  historian  and  a Holocaust researcher. He was the director of
Yad Vashem,  the  Israeli  Holocaust Remembrance Authority, for 21 years
>from 1972 to 1991. 



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"Ken McVay"  wrote in message 
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> Archive/File: places/poland/ab.aktion
> Last-Modified: 1993/10/24
>
> AB AKTION (Ausserordentliche Befriedungsaktion; Extraordinary
> Pacification Action). Code name for the liquidation of Polish
> intellectuals and leaders after the German invasion of Poland in 1939.
> The task was entrusted to Hans Frank as Governor-General and to his
> deputy, Artur Seyss-Inquart (qq.v). More than 2,000 Polish men and
> women were apprehended from September 1939 to June 1940 and summarily
> executed. A ruthless killer, Frank kept thorough records of his work
> in a forty-two-volume journal. Many Jews were among his victims.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Encyclopedia of the Third Reich, by Dr. Louis L. Snyder, Professor of
> History, The City College and The City University of New York. Paragon
> House, New York, 1989. ISBN 1-55778-144-3
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
>      http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit

You need to update this to the recent figure. I agree that Hans Frank was in 
charge of Poland's territory behind the front lines and yes he was in charge 
of getting rid of Polish intellectuals and intelligentsia.  but the count I 
came across was 20,000 not 2,000.  He also imprisoned and killed many Jews 
that were involved. 



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Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:59:22 -0400



"Sara Salzman"  wrote in message 
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> In article ,
> "snow"  wrote:
>
>> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
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>> > "snow"  wrote in message
>> > news:6WVHi.4811$7P7.4789@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>> >> news:13eraeu8kkgu236@news.supernews.com...
>> >>> "snow"  wrote in message
>> >>> news:MkgHi.3540$3Y1.809@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>> >>>> news:13eo1qjl8l8er69@corp.supernews.com...
>> >>>>> In article ,
>> >>>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message
>> >>>>>>news:13elrcneverj599@corp.supernews.com...
>> >>>>>>> In article ,
>> >>>>>>> Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow  
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> [...]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Didn't just Forensic Institute in Krakow proved it once again 
>> >>>>>>>>using
>> >>>>>>>>science
>> >>>>>>>>and scientific method that gas chambers did not exist.  Yet we 
>> >>>>>>>>rely
>> >>>>>>>>on
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> No, that is not what they proved. They proved Fred Leuchter was
>> >>>>>>> a bumbling, incompetent fool.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> See
>> >>>>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research
>> >>>>>>> /final-remarks.html
>> >>>>>>> to reduce your abject ignorance, cowardly liar snow.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>It looks like you wrote that article yourself. It is easy to tell
>> >>>>>>because I
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sorry, Leading Revisionist Ignoramus snow, but the article is an
>> >>>>> accurate OCR-produced
>> >>>>> copy of the original.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The article you have written
>> >>>
>> >>> Copied, you mean.   Mr. McVay makes  no claim to authorship.   In 
>> >>> fact,
>> >>> he's quite clear that the text is copied.
>> >>>
>> >>>> and consider a copy of the original has two paragraphs HTML written.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is that the total of your objection?
>> >>>
>> >>> After all, you *are* looking at a webpage.
>> >>>
>> >>> Apparently HTML is helpful when you need to provide hyperlinks to
>> >>> footnotes and references.
>> >>>
>> >>> You will find that a plain-text version is also available.
>> >>>
>> >>>> It would look more reliable if you had an image copy or PDF copy.
>> >>>
>> >>> You could probably find this yourself, or produce it from the orginal
>> >>> text which is also available elsewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> But if you want a PDF of the original, you're going to need to read
>> >>> Polish, don't you think?
>> >>>
>> >>>> I would swear the original article
>> >>>
>> >>> The orginal "article" was not an article.   It is a scientific 
>> >>> report.
>> >>>
>> >>> And why exactly would you swear?
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is your task:
>> >>>
>> >>> If you are certain that what is at that link is not an accurate
>> >>> reproduction of the final remarks section of the Krakow report,  show
>> >>> how.
>> >>>
>> >>> And remember, your work *will* be checked for accuracy.  What you
>> >>> "swear" is simply not sufficient.
>> >>>
>> >>>> had more than two paragraphs
>> >>>
>> >>> The report certainly does have more than two paragraphs.
>> >>>
>> >>> The link provided, however, refers only to the "final remarks" 
>> >>> section
>> >>> of the report.   And that section is, apparently, only two 
>> >>> paragraphs.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you think it's an inaccurate rendering, by all means, go compare 
>> >>> that
>> >>> section with what you find as the original.
>> >>>
>> >>>> and was professionally written
>> >>>
>> >>> It was written by professionals, yes.   Professional scientists, who 
>> >>> are
>> >>> natives of Poland, and whose first language is Polish.
>> >>>
>> >>>> by someone who studied english.
>> >>>
>> >>> How often do you speak and correspond with people whose first 
>> >>> language
>> >>> is not English?
>> >>>
>> >>> Can you speak and write Polish?   Do native Polish speakers and 
>> >>> readers
>> >>> accept your written output as perfectly formed?
>> >>>
>> >>> What exactly makes you think that people whose first language is not
>> >>> English will produce everything to the style of English you are
>> >>> accustomed to?
>> >>>
>> >>> And remember - you are an American, and there are a number of 
>> >>> English
>> >>> language standards.    Some are rather higher than what you are used 
>> >>> to.
>> >>>
>> >>> In some employment circumstances requiring people with a strong 
>> >>> command
>> >>> of the English language, those who have only passed through the 
>> >>> American
>> >>> educational system are at a significant disadvantage.   Their English
>> >>> simply isn't good enough.
>> >>>
>> >>> One might note that some of  your comments don't exactly look like 
>> >>> they
>> >>> come from someone who has studied English, or whose first language is
>> >>> English. So what are you complaining about?
>> >>>
>> >>> Now.   If you have real objections to the accuracy of the rendering,
>> >>> let's see what you can come up with.
>> >>>
>> >>> HTH
>> >>> -pk
>> >>
>> >> Well I would think since NIZKOR is a nonprofit pro-holocaust website 
>> >> it
>> >> is burden of NIZKOR to provide us with accurate information in forms 
>> >> of
>> >> copies, references and copyrights.
>> >
>> > References and copyrights are there.
>> >
>> > If you want them to host images, feel free to donate so that they can 
>> > buy
>> > the hardware and do the work.
>> >
>> >> And I do read and speak Polish and I did read the original document 
>> >> that
>> >> was written in Polish. As I mentioned above the original document is 
>> >> much
>> >> longer than 2 paragraphs.
>> >
>> > Yes.   It's only the final remarks, which are on the page you cited.
>> >
>> > Other pages have the rest of the document.
>> >
>> >> Also it would very professional if Nizkor could tell us who translated
>> >> the document from Polish to English.
>> >> Right now it looks like NIZKOR document is quickly written English
>> >> version not based on the original Polish work but based on hearsay and
>> >> what mcvay thinks they original should read.
>> >> The version on NIZKOR in inaccurate summary of the original.
>> >
>> > Are you sure you actually read the correct pages?
>> >
>> > If you think it is inaccurate, post your own translation.
>> >
>> > -pk
>> >
>> Thanks for the offer but it is not my business to do any translations for
>> any institutions. I just merely wanted to let others know that the NIZKOR
>> copy is not really a full copy but a summary very poorly translated from 
>> the
>> original.
>
> But you won't prove it by offering an alternative. Why is that? Afraid
> you'll find out you're wrong?
>
> -- 
> Profanity is the last refuge of the inarticulate prick.
> -Lenny Bruce

I would sweet cake, but their archive took it down and starts from No.3 in 
95  and the original was release in 94 I believe.
http://kms.cm-uj.krakow.pl/ArchMedSadKrym/english/a_home.htm

I am wondering why did they took it down and then in other hand it is so 
controversial that the were probably tired of all the action around it.
As the files seem to be PDF just like I said they were, Mr. McVay should 
have a full PDF copy available. I mean how much web space does it take to 
add a PDF file or the full article. I have an idea. why doesn't he host the 
PDF file on free hosting at GEOCITIES and just link from NIZKOR. That could 
save him a buck. 



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"TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
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> On Sep 19, 6:40 am, "snow"  wrote:
>> Israel wouldn't release Salomon Morel to Poland for his crimes against
>> humanity so I don't really expect Israel to release Icek Arad to 
>> Lithuania.
>>
>> http://www.interfax-news.com/3/312115/news.aspx
>>
>>   VILNIUS.  Sept  11  (Interfax)  -  Lithuania has requested that the
>> Israeli  authorities  facilitate  the questioning of prominent historian
>> and Holocaust researcher Yitzhak Arad regarding his partisan past during
>> World War  II  and  his  supposed subsequent service for the Soviet NKVD
>> security police.
>>      "The pretrial investigation documents of this criminal case include
>> enough data to assume that the suspect Yitzhak Arad might have committed
>> criminal deeds in Lithuania," the Lithuanian Prosecutor General's Office
>> said in a press release.
>>      According  to the Lithuanian prosecution authorities, Arad joined a
>> Soviet partisan  squad  while Lithuania was occupied by Nazi Germany and
>> then served  with the NKVD. He is suspected of involvement in executions
>> of Lithuanian  civilians  and  members  of  the  anti-Soviet  resistance
>> movement, the statement says.
>>      Following  WWII,  Arad  served for the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF)
>> and was  promoted  to  brigadier  general.  After retirement in 1972, he
>> became a  historian  and  a Holocaust researcher. He was the director of
>> Yad Vashem,  the  Israeli  Holocaust Remembrance Authority, for 21 years
>> from 1972 to 1991.
>
> It gets old that when people bring up the crimes of Stalin's Jewish
> Communists the standard zionazi response is to deny everything.
>
> Very few people from the former Soviet block do not know about the
> horrible crimes of Stalin's Jewish Communists. These criminals go
> unpunished and their crimes are denied by the Zionazis.
>
> Many of these Communist murderers gained admission to America by
> claiming religious persecution in Russia. Religious persecution, my
> foot! These people are despised by the Russians because they were
> murdered a lot of innocent people under Communist rule. Many of these
> murderers go to Israel where they continue their murdering but the
> victims are no longer Russians or Ukrainians but Arabs.
>
> Does anyone still want to know what a zionazi is?
>
> Have a nice vegetarian day!
>
But why wouldn't Israel release them once they learn that these people are 
charged with committing crimes against humanity. I remember that Salomon 
Morel case was very huge in Europe and still Israel wouldn't release 
Salomon.  By release I mean extradition. 



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"Dr. Jal Maharaj"  wrote in message 
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> Shri Shaun Kran ji, thank you for the invite and these enlightening
> words. I have a few questions:
>
> Will everyone be strip searched so we may catch those who are
> circumsized and hence not pure - Aryan religion forbids bodily
> mutilation. Anyone who is circumsized at this gathering must be
> beaten
> with kodas.
>
>
> Do I need to bring my own beer or will beverages be served by the
> organizers.
>
>
> Have the local hotels held out blocks for the Fest so we can get
> cheap
> rooms - if so what is the deadline.
>
>
> I will be bringing my mandali of Aryans with me - are there
> louspeakers to broadcast the bhajans every morning and Aarti in the
> evening?
>
>
> I will be making my presentation using Powerpoint and will need a
> good
> DLP overhead and laser pointer.
>
>
> Will dental/medical emergency teams be available for those who are
> hurt.
>
>
> Dhanyavad
>
>
> -=Hare Om Baba Hare Om=-
> http://kutte.ki.aulad
> http://tinyurl.suar.ka.baccha
> http://heeramundi.kin.paydaish
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2:55 pm, Shaun.Kran...@gmail.com wrote

This is funny. I think dental teams will be available and equipped with 
bricks. It surely will knock teeth out.  I don't think strip searching is 
necessary,  Nose measurements should sufficient. Dropped Penny test also 
seems to work.  Dropped Quarter may not. I am assuming people who come to 
such fests are usually of lower income crowd.
> 


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"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
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> On 9/18/2007 2:41 PM, snow wrote:
>
>>
>> "Snoogens Murphy"  wrote in message 
>> news:1189947843.808447.279300@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 15, 2:06 pm, Mattias Kern  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:34:41 -0700, "Joe Bruno"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> "Asterix"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:su6092tke1c0atqgj5lbpui866uufegdn7@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Now that the Canadian tax department have a new $30 million
>>>>>> task force to catch TAX FRAUDS like McVay/Bnai Brith, why not
>>>>>> contact the head of criminal prosecutions directly? If you
>>>>>> really want to nail them for tax fraud, send info to Head of
>>>>>> Criminal prosecutions CRA, attention of : Richard Lebelle,
>>>>>> phone#: 613-957-9420
>>>>> Nizkor is a non-profit organization, so all this BS about tax
>>>>> fraud is nonsense. Non-profits don't pay income tax.
>>>> According to officials with CRA [ Canadian IRS], Nizkor is NOT a 
>>>> registered non-profit organisation in Canada!! Feel free to check
>>>>  yourself with Mr.Lebelle of CRA.
>>
>> I have called. Richard Lebelle wasn't too happy about it, apparently
>> he already received many calls about Nizkor.  He said he would get
>> back to me but I doubt it.
>
> So do I since there is no such person in the Government of Canada, let
> alone in CRA.  Moron.
>
> -- 
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
>
> Visit the Holocaust History Project
> http://www.ihr.org

That could be perhaps Richard got so many calls. Did you ask for him. You 
have to ask for him three times and then knock on wood two times and spin 5 
times while saying 'roses are red, violets blue. I am an idiot, that is so 
true".
When you done Richard should be on the phone. 



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"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
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> "snow"  wrote in message 
> news:xEhHi.8318$z_5.4088@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>> "TurkeyBoy"  wrote in message 
>> news:1189921978.265274.115090@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> We will never know for sure, therefore you are entitled to believe
>>> whatever you are inclined to. Jews and Zionazis have so much invested
>>> in Einstein that they will attack anyone who would question his
>>> accomplishments and credentials. Those on the other side are just as
>>> closed to an open debate about Einstein being a plagiarist. You have a
>>> right to question because there are some very suspicious things about
>>> his work and if he did what they claim, he did or not.
>>>
>>> Have a nice vegetarian day!
>>
>> Einstein is so big in USA because
>
> Because so much of his work has proven to be reliable and usable.

You can't apply reliability to a scientific method because it's a process 
and you shouldn't rely on anything. As far as usability, yes it is being 
used today to study everything from atoms to cosmology. Also most of the 
work Einstein wrote about was already studied and wrote about by Newton.
I always thought that Einstein was autistic. He surely looked it, and if you 
read of his habits, they sound autistic.

>
> Rather unlike what you write.
>
>> Jewish media exaggerated him to be this super scientists. On one side you 
>> can't blame the Jews because Einstein was Jewish so obviously it was a 
>> big event in Jewish community.  If Poles had the access to American Mass 
>> Media then perhaps Copernicus would be a famous scientists in USA.  It is 
>> really a shame that we idealize a scientist who had a lot to do in WMDs
>
> One might note that Einstein was not part of any team that actually 
> developed nuclear weapons.
>
>

Right, but do you agree that science is a team sport and most science 
experiments are done within certain people. Just like McVay has others do 
the research for NIZKOR. It's the whole team but we only associate McVay 
with NIZKOR. What would happen if Sara Saltzman (lets say she is Mexican), 
went to Mexico and declared that she did all the NIZKOR work and NIZKOR is 
her project. 



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Sounds like Einstein was autistic. more than genius although both could go 
together.

"Gord McFee"  wrote in message 
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> Ben C'ramer wrote:
>> "Joe Bruno"  wrote in message
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>> >
>> > This article has references:
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Mathematicians/Einstein.html
>>
>>One of the great Jewish myths of the 20th century is
>>Albert Einstein.
>>
>>Albert Einstein is held up by the Jewish liars
>
> Who apparently conspired with the scientific community, every
> physicist
> on earth, to elevate someone you claim is a dolt to near-deity level.
>
>>as a rare genius who drastically changed the field of
>>theoretical physics. As such, he is made an idol to
>>young people and his very name has become synonymous
>>with genius.
>
> And it doesn't take an Einstein to see why.
>
>>The truth, however, is very different. The reality is
>>that Einstein was an inept, moronic Jew who could not
>>even tie his own shoelaces;
>
> Jew, yes.  Inept, no; moronic, definitely not.
>
> Admittedly, Einstein was a little odd by most people's standards: he
> had closets full of identical clothing (he said that he didn't want
> to waste any mental effort deciding what to wear), his hair always
> looked rather unkempt, but never anywhere have I heard that he
> couldn't tie his shoelaces.
>
> As if that were a measure of intelligence.  Stephen Hawking is
> undeniably unable to tie his shoelaces, but even his harshest critics
> would not describe him as unintelligent (most agree, however, that
> he's no Einstein).
>
>>he contributed nothing original to the field of
>>quantum mechanics or any other science, but on the
>>contrary he stole the ideas of other men and the
>>Jewish media made him a hero.
>
> With the possible exception of Newton, Einstein did more to advance
> the
> science of physics than any other man or woman before or since, so
> it's
> not terribly surprising that the scientific community worships him.
> Strangely enough, the author of this paper, rather than celebrating
> that fact, chooses to ridicule and trivialize it.  I find it difficult
> to believe that this would have been written if Einstein weren't
> Jewish, but I'm not judging.
>
> This sentence represents the author's thesis statement, and it will
> be shown over the following paragraphs that the author has no clue
> what
> he's talking about.  Well, either that or he knows exactly what
> he's talking about, but is practicing what I like to call voluntary
> ignorance.
>
> In short, to say that Einstein contributed nothing original to the
> field of quantum mechanics or any other science is absurd, and it will
> be shown just how absurd the author's position is as this essay
> continues.
>
>>When we actually examine the life of Albert Einstein,
>
> We realize just how devoid of truthful statements this essay is.
>
>>we find that his only brilliance lies in his ability
>>to plagiarize and steal other people's ideas, passing
>>them off as his own.
>
> This is what the author will attempt to prove throughout this
> discourse, and fail miserably.
>
>>Einstein's education, or lack thereof,
>
> We're just over one sentence into the "meat" of this essay, and
> already
> the author has lied twice.
>
> It is inaccurate (to say the least) to say that Einstein lacked an
> education.  In fact, Einstein would receive a PhD in Physics for his
> work on Brownian Motion.  Before that, he graduated from ETH, quite
> possibly one of the top engineering schools in Europe.
>
> The author, of course, never actually mentions this, choosing instead
> to attempt to lead the reader to believe that Einstein just barely
> scraped through high school and stopped there.
>
>>is an important part of this story.
>
> Not to mention, the part of the story you conveniently forget many
> pertinent details of, such as the fact that Einstein had a PhD,
> therefore, an education.
>
>>The Encyclopedia Britannica says of Einstein's early
>>education that he "showed little scholastic ability."
>>It also says that at the age of 15, "with poor grades
>>in history, geography, and languages, he left school
>>with no diploma."
>
> Technically true, but not in the way you're trying to imply.  Einstein
> left High School because his family moved out of Munich.  He would
> later enter another High School in Arau and graduate in 1896.
>
> History was really not Einstein's strong suit, nor was geography or
> languages.  When he applied to ETH, mentioned below, he would fail the
> section of the exam in French.
>
> It's worth mentioning that his teacher in High school commented that
> his mathematical abilities were well above his age group.
>
> Furthermore, I daresay that if we were all judged by our performance
> in
> high school, I strongly doubt many of us would have made it far.
>
>>Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of his "lack
>>of imagination and practical ability."
>
> I should mention at this point that the author made a tactical error
> in
> quoting one of Einstein's most famous statements incompletely in the
> hopes that the naive reader would take it out of context.  The full
> statement reads thus:
>
> "I imagine myself becoming a teacher in those branches of the natural
> sciences, choosing the theoretical part of them. Here are the reasons
> which lead me to this plan. Above all, it is my disposition for
> abstract and mathematical thought, and my lack of imagination and
> practical ability."
>
> Basically, he doesn't think he'll make a very good engineer or an
> artist, but considers math and science to be his future.  We all have
> our aptitudes.  I'm a lousy painter, and I can't dance to save my
> life.  Neither makes me a bad physicist.
>
> It's also noted that the complete quote shows that Einstein is far
> away from suggesting that he is mathematically or scientifically inept
> as you imply here.
>
>>In 1895, Einstein failed a simple entrance exam to an
>>engineering school in Zurich.
>
> The internationally-recognized ETH.  And it wasn't a "simple" entrance
> exam.  The majority of those who took the exam failed it.
>
>>This exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems,
>
> Nope.  Einstein only failed the section in french.  Languages were
> never his strong suit.
>
>>and Einstein showed himself to be mathematically inept
>>in this exam.
>
> Nope.  The math and physics portions of the exam, he passed (which is
> something of an impressive feat since this exam is normally reserved
> for those who had completed secondary school; Einstein was still a
> year
> away from graduating).  The part of the exam he failed was in french.
>
>>He then entered a lesser school
>
> It's worth mentioning that he was 16 at the time.  The application to
> ETH was an attempt to skip secondary school.  The "Lesser School"
> was actually his high school in Arau.
>
>>hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the
>>engineering school he could not get into,
>
> Not so much a stepping stone as a fall-back position.  Einstein was
> trying to get into ETH over a year before he technically should have
> (a
> feat which is practically unheard of; the fact that he passed the math
> and physics portions of the exam over a year before he would graduate
> is rather amazing), so it's not terribly surprising that he didn't
> make it in.  He had to return to Arau to finish high school.
>
>>but after graduating in 1900, he still could not get a
>>position at the engineering school!
>
> Oh boy, this one's going to be fun to respond to...
>
> Actually, he would graduate from his high school in Arau in 1896 (I
> point out that you "forgot" to mention that particular graduation,
> leading the reader to believe that he never graduated from high
> school), then he would apply for a position at the ETH, successfully
> this time.
>
> His 1900 graduation was from exactly the school you claim he was
> unable
> to get into!
>
>>Unable to go to the school as he had wanted,
>
> Liar.
>
>>he got a job (with the help of a friend)
>
> The "Friend" was Marcel Grossman, a buddy of his from ETH, the
> internationally-recognized school you insist he wasn't able to get
> into.
>
>>at the patent office in Bern.
>
> After working a few months as a math teacher.  The degree for which he
> earned at ETH, the school you insist he wasn't able to get into.
>
>>He was to be a technical expert third class, which
>>meant that he was too incompetent for a higher
>>qualified position.
>
> No, it meant that he was a "technical ***expert***" at an
> entry-level position.
>
> He became qualified as a "technical ***expert***" at ETH, the
> internationally-recognized school that you insist he wasn't able to
> get into.
>
> This one sentence is one of the most delectable contradictions in this
> entire essay: you're trying to argue that the man was incompetent,
> but practically in the same proverbial breath, you're trying to claim
> that he was so smart that the first position he would hold at a patent
> office would be the top position.
>
>>Even after publishing his so-called groundbreaking
>>papers of 1905 and after working in the patent office
>>for six years, he was only elevated to a second class
>>standing.
>
> One has nothing to do with the other.  In fact, you're about to
> explain why he never advanced farther than 2nd class.
>
>>Remember, the work he was doing at the patent office,
>>for which he was only rated third class, was not
>>quantum mechanics or theoretical physics,
>
> Ah.  So his work at the patent office had absolutely nothing to do
> with
> his academic work...  So why do you suggest in the previous paragraph
> that there is some sort of link between his advancement in the patent
> office and his academic publications?
>
>>but was reviewing technical documents for patents of
>>every day things;
>
> The unfortunate truth is that graduate students don't make much money
> just being graduate students.  Most seek employment elsewhere to make
> ends meet.  The other side of the coin is that in their alternative
> employment, they have practically no chance of advancement due to the
> fact that their employer knows that they have no desire to continue in
> their employ for any longer than is necessary to complete their
> degree.
>
> Given this, it's hardly surprising that Einstein didn't advance far
> as a patent clerk: he didn't need to.  His salary there was
> sufficient to finance his education.
>
>>yet he was barely qualified.
>
> He would go on to invent and patent the electric refrigerator with Leo
> Szilard.  You have yet to present any evidence that he was barely
> qualified for the position.
>
>>He would work at the patent office until 1909, all the
>>while continuously trying to get a position at a
>>university, but without success.
>
> Not entirely correct.  Or more accurately: downright wrong.  He was
> awarded a PhD in 1905 for his work in Brownian Motion.  Given that
> doctorate degrees are generally awarded by univesities, it would seem
> to contradict your claim that Einstein was "without success" in
> getting a position at one.
>
> It's also worth mentioning that the author made a clerical error.
> Einstein left the patent office in 1908.
>
>>All of these facts are true,
>
> Only if you exclude the false ones.  You've also conveniently
> "forgotten" a number of facts, and blatantly lied about others.
> You've also expressed facts which are technically true in such a way
> as to give the reader the wrong impression (for example, the fact that
> he "left high school without a diploma" is technically true, but
> neglecting to mention that he later re-entered high school in Arau and
> graduated in 1896 gives this true statement a very false impression).
> It's notable that the facts you've "forgotten" to mention, in
> all cases, are the ones which directly oppose your thesis.  Not
> exactly
> the mark of an honest scholar, is it?
>
>>but now begins the Jewish myth.
>
> The implication throughout this entire essay (which is not explicitly
> spelled out for obvious reasons: if the author did spell it out
> explicitly, it would show how absurd his position was) is that "the
> Jews" were somehow able to conspire with every single physicist on
> Earth to elevate an incompetent to the level of a genius.  What they
> neglect to mention is the fact that if "the Jews" wanted to elevate
> a Jewish person to the level of genius, there are a number of
> physicists whom they could have so elevated.
>
> For example:
>
> Albert A. Michelson
> Max Born
> Niels Bohr
> Richard Feynman
> Wolfgang Pauli
> Steven Weinberg
> Heinrich Hertz
> Marcel Grossman
> Hans Bethe
> Tullio Levi-Civita
> Leonard Mandel
> Karl Schwartzschild
>
> I could go on, but I'll stop there.  I could point out that a number
> of
> these physicists are actually applauded by the author of this essay.
> He never actually admits that they're Jewish, of course...
>
> Even if this were a myth (which you're going to fail miserably to
> prove in the following paragraphs), it cannot, by any stretch of the
> imagination be described as a "Jewish Myth."  Einstein's exploits
> and insights are most often applauded by the scientific community
> itself, very few of whom are Jewish.
>
> For example, a recent survey went out to 250 of the most prominent
> physicists worldwide in 1999, in which one of the questions asked was
> "Name the Five Physicists who have made the most important
> contributions to Physics."
>
> It came as no surprise to anyone that the single most-voted physicist
> was Albert Einstein, with 119 votes (out of 130 people who actually
> replied).
>
> If Einstein were a plagiarist and a fraud, those who would be most
> likely to know about it would be the physicists themselves, those who
> are applying Einstein's principles.  Not one Physicist, either when
> Einstein was alive, or now, has ever come forward to claim that he was
> a fraud.  Naturally, you have the odd crackpot that comes forward to
> say that Einstein was in fact an incompetent moron, but not one of
> them
> has yet provided any evidence supporting it.
>
> The survey can be found here:
> http://physicsweb.org/article/world/12/12/14/1
>
>>Supposedly, while working a full time job,
>
> To be honest, I'm not sure what Einstein's hours at the patent
> office were, but I've never seen anybody describe them as full-time.
>
>>without the aid of university colleagues, a staff of
>>graduate students, a laboratory, or any of the things
>>normally associated with an academic setting,
>
> He was, at the time, working towards his PhD in physics.  In other
> words, he had access to university colleagues, a staff of graduate
> students, a laboratory (even though, as I'll point out later, it was
> completely useless for the type of work he was doing), and all the
> things normally associated with an academic setting.
>
>>Einstein in his spare time wrote four ground-breaking
>>essays in the field of theoretical physics and quantum
>>mechanics that were published in 1905.
>
> It wasn't "in his spare time."  Publishing papers is what PhD
> students do.  At least in Science.  Granted, very few of us manage to
> put out as many ground breaking works as he did, but we can't all be
> Einsteins.
>
> Of course, you can't say that, because saying so would mean that you
> had to admit that Einstein was seeking a PhD in physics.
>
> Runs kinda contrary to your assertion that Einstein was an uneducated
> moron, doesn't it?
>
>>Many people have recognized the impossibility of such
>>a feat, including Einstein himself,
>
> Yep.  There's a reason "Einstein" is synonymous with
> "Genius," and you've just stated it.
>
>>and therefore Einstein has led people to believe that
>>many of these ideas came to him in his sleep, out of
>>the blue, because indeed that is the only logical
>>explanation of how an admittedly inept moron
>
> The day that you can come up with Special Relativity is the day that
> you can call Einstein an "inept moron."  I'll wait.
>
>>could have written such documents at the age of 26
>>without any real education.
>
> How someone who was pursuing (and who would eventually get) a PhD can
> be described as having no "real education" is beyond me.  The
> author never explains the logic underlying this conclusion.
>
> So, as if it wasn't bad enough that you're re-writing Einstein's
> own personal history, now you're claiming that those with PhDs are
> uneducated.
>
>>However, a simpler explanation exists: he stole the
>>ideas and plagiarized the papers.
>
> Your "simpler explanation" rests upon the assumption of the
> existence of an unknown, unnamed group of conspirators (for which, I
> might add, you provide absolutely no evidence) which managed to
> manipulate some of the most prominent and reputable organizations in
> the world (not to mention public opinion) into believing that an
> incompetent moron is actually a genius.
>
> In a recent debate, David Gehrig who has far more eloquence than I do
> on the matter phrased it this way:
>
> Message ID: 
>
> "=2E..you seem quite willing to postulate some grand conspiracy among
> physicists to celebrate someone they would think is a dolt.  That's
> far more ridiculous a stance than that of a lone genius recasting the
> Laws of motion, which were themselves the work of a lone genius."
>
>>Therefore, we will look at each of these ideas and
>>discover the source of each....
>
> .=2E.And discover that it was Einstein, himself...
>
>>It should be remembered that these ideas are presented
>>by Einstein's worshippers as totally new and
>>completely different, each of which would change the
>>landscape of science.
>
> The fact that they are presented by Einstein's worshippers as totally
> new and completely different, each of which would change the landscape
> of science is largely related to the fact that that the ideas were
> totally new and completely different, each of which has changed the
> landscape of science.
>
>>These four papers dealt with the following four ideas,
>>respectively:
>>
>>1. The foundation of the photon theory of light;
>>2. The equivalence of energy and mass;
>>3. The explanation of Brownian motion in liquids;
>>4. The special theory of relativity.
>>
>>Let us first look at the last of these theories, the
>>theory of relativity. This is perhaps the most famous
>>idea falsely attributed to Einstein.
>
> Which you're going to fail miserably to show is falsely attributed to
> him.
>
>>Specifically, this 1905 paper dealt with what Einstein
>>called the Special Theory of Relativity (the General
>>Theory would come in 1915).
>
> Close to accurate.  He didn't actually call it the special theory of
> relativity until he started working on his general theory.
>
>>This theory contradicted
>>the traditional Newtonian mechanics and was based upon
>>two premises:
>
> Actually, no.  If it contradicted Newtonian mechanics, then the
> universe would be a really screwy place.  In fact, one of the
> fundamental assumptions that makes Special Relativity work is that
> Newton's laws hold true in all inertial reference frames, including
> those that travel close to the speed of light.  Einstein merely
> generalized Newtonian mechanics to all inertial reference frames.  At
> velocities v< mechanics, which it does.
>
> Do your homework a little better next time.
>
>>1) in the absence of acceleration, the laws of nature
>>are the same for all observers;
>
> Including Newton's Laws, which you just said were contradicted by
> relativity.
>
> Do your homework a little better next time.
>
>>and 2) since the speed of light is independent of the
>>motion of its source, then the time interval between
>>two events is longer for an observer in whose frame of
>>reference the events occur at different places than
>>for an observer in whose frame of reference the events
>>occur in the same place. This is basically the idea
>>that time passes more slowly as one's velocity
>>approaches the speed of light, relative to slower
>>velocities where time would pass faster.
>
> It's out of sheer mercy that I'm not going to tear this paragraph into
> tiny little pieces.  It's close enough to truthful that I'll just let
> it pass.  Suffice it to say, the author has omitted a number of
> details
> here, but nothing remotely on the scale of "forgetting" that Einstein
> had a PhD.
>
>>This theory has been validated by modern experiments
>>and is the basis for modern physics. But these two
>>premises are far from being originally Einstein's.
>>First of all, the idea that the speed of light was a
>>constant and was independent of the motion of its
>>source was not Einstein's at all, but was proposed by
>>the Scottish scientist James Maxwell. Maxwell studied
>>the phenomenon of light extensively and first proposed
>>that it was electromagnetic in nature. He wrote an
>>article to this effect for the 1878 edition of the
>>Encyclopedia Britannica.
>
> Here, we come to the author's second tactical error, and this is a
> biggie.  First he claims that Einstein's work is plagiarized, the
> goes on to attribute the originals to some of the most famous
> physicists ever to grace the pages of textbooks worldwide.  If (s)he
> were intent on making this crap work any longer than it takes for the
> reader to dust off their old high school physics text, (s)he should
> have chosen papers that were so obscure nobody would ever be able to
> find them. Instead, it took me less than 20 minutes to find to just
> what level the author is full of it.
>
> We'll see in the upcoming passages that the author of this paper will
> not only claim Einstein was somehow able to steal the ideas of some of
> the most prominent pre-Einstein physicists without anybody noticing
> (which brings up the question of how they got to be the most prominent
> pre-Einstein physicists in the first place if it was such a trivial
> matter to steal their works), but he's going to do it over, and over,
> and over again.  That Einstein was capable of so pulling the wool over
> the eyes of some very intelligent men is one of the fundamental
> (although unspoken) assumptions of this essay.  The implication (which
> is not explicitly spelled out, for spelling it out would reveal how
> ridiculous the author's stance is) is that the scientific community
> (which includes the authors that Einstein was supposedly plagiarizing)
> is so dumb that they are incapable of recognizing some of the defining
> works of modern physics, and the authors thereof.
>
> The extent to which the author is full of crap is nicely summarized by
> looking at one of the opening sentences of this paragraph: "First of
> all, the idea that the speed of light was a constant and was
> independent of the motion of its source was not Einstein's at all,
> but was proposed by the Scottish scientist James Maxwell."
>
> Now, ignoring the fact that Maxwell went by the name James Clerk
> Maxwell rather than James Maxwell, this one sentence is the
> combination
> of a truth and a lie.  Yes, Maxwell suggested that the speed of light
> was a constant, but no, he did not suggest that it was independent of
> the motion of its source.
>
> In fact, the motion of the source is given no consideration whatsoever
> in Maxwell's work.  By contrast, relativity is specifically a study
> of how the motion of the source affects an observation.
>
> In other words, Maxwell's equations embody a completely different
> physical principle from relativity.  Ergo, no plagiarism.
>
> At this point, I feel it necessary to point out that all of Maxwell's
> equations; the entire basis for electrodynamics, and the equations
> which allowed him to draw the conclusion that the speed of light is a
> constant already existed in the form of Gauss' law, Ampere's law,
> Faraday's law, and an unnamed equation.  Maxwell's actual
> contribution to what we call "Maxwell's Equations" is a single
> mathematical expression at the end of Ampere's law.  So if we follow
> through with the author's logic, we are left with the inevitable
> conclusion that Maxwell as guilty as (and very possibly more guilty
> than) Einstein of Plagiarism.
>
> Yet, the author of this piece applauds Maxwell as a genius, but
> condemns Einstein as a plagiarist.
>
> I bring this up primarily to point out the blatant double-standard the
> author demonstrates throughout this essay.  This double standard will
> become the norm rather than the exception as this essay progresses.
>
>>His ideas prompted much debate, and by 1887, as a
>>result of his work and the ensuing debate, the
>>scientific community, particularly Lorentz, Michelson,
>>and Morley reached the conclusion that the velocity of
>>light was independent of the velocity of the observer.
>>Thus, this piece of the Special Theory of Relativity
>>was known 27 years before Einstein wrote his paper.
>
> Which was really why Einstein wrote it in the first place.  What the
> author completely ignores is what science is.  Scientific research, by
> its very definition, is a journey.  Your measure as a scientist lies
> in
> how far you carry that journey.  If every scientist had started from
> scratch, scientific thought would go nowhere.  Every scientific
> discovery or conclusion (not just Einstein's) is built upon the work
> of others.  That's the whole reason for having a reference section in
> a scientific publication.
>
> The challenge, of course, is to carry that journey as far as possible
> without having to throw out the work that others did.
>
>>This debate over the nature of light also led
>>Michelson and Morley to conduct an important
>>experiment, the results of which could not be
>>explained by Newtonian mechanics. They observed a
>>phenomenon caused by relativity
>
> Um, no.  They observed a consequence of the absence of a medium
> through
> which light traveled.  Nowhere in their publications do Michelson &
> Morley ever discuss inertial reference frames, relative motion, time
> dilation, length contraction, or any of the other benchmarks of
> Special
> Relativity.
>
> Where's the plagiarism?
>
> Incidentally, to believe that the only reason for Einstein's fame was
> because he was Jewish, one would have to wonder why Michelson isn't
> equally famous.  He, too, was Jewish.
>
>>but they did not understand relativity.
>
> Which they can hardly be blamed for, since Einstein hadn't published
> it yet.
>
>>They had attempted to detect the motion of the earth
>>through ether, which was a medium thought to be
>>necessary for the propagation of light.
>
> The experiment employed a Michelson Interferometer in the hopes of
> studying velocity of the Ether Wind relative to that of the earth.
> They came up with a rather shocking conclusion: there is no ether.
>
> This, while fascinating, has absolutely nothing to do with Einstein.
> In fact, the Ether (whose velocity Michelson and Morley were
> attempting
> to measure) is only mentioned very superficially by Einstein in his
> "Electrodynamics of Moving bodies," when he says that:
>
> "The introduction of a 'luminiferous ether' will prove to be
> superfluous inasmuch as the view here to be developed will not require
> an 'absolutely stationary space' provided with special properties,
> nor assign a velocity-vector to a point of the empty space in which
> electromagnetic processes take place."
>
> This is the only time at which the "luminiferous ether" Maxwell
> proposed, and Michelson and Morley attempted to measure is ever
> mentioned in Einstein's work.  Note that he specifically debunks the
> very concept you claim he was copying from Michelson and Morley's
> experiment.
>
> In other words, Einstein's work embodies a completely different
> concept from Michelson and Morley's.
>
> I should also mention, for completeness' sake, that it has been
> extensively argued whether Einstein would have published "The
> Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" (More commonly known as Special
> Relativity) had the Michelson-Morley experiment not occurred.  Most
> agree that he would have gone ahead and done it anyway... Special
> Relativity stands nicely on its own feet, without the assistance of
> the
> M-M experiment.  If the M-M experiment had measured something other
> than a null result, we might think differently, but it didn't.
>
>>In response to this problem, in 1889, the Irish
>>physicist George FitzGerald, who had also first
>>proposed a mechanism for producing radio waves, wrote
>>a paper which stated that the results of the
>>Michelson-Morley experiment could be explained if,
>>"... the length of material bodies changes, according
>>as they are moving through the ether or across it, by
>>an amount depending on the square of the ratio of
>>their velocities to that of light."
>>
>>This is the theory of relativity, 13 years before
>>Einstein's paper!
>
> The minor flaw in this argument being that this is *not* the theory of
> relativity.  Even if Lorentz and Fitzgerald had known anything about
> Relativity (which they didn't, and I'll explain why in a moment), this
> is not the theory of relativity.  This is one of the *consequences* of
> relativity.  There's a difference.
>
> Like the M-M experiment, Fitzgerald and Lorentz had absolutely no idea
> that they'd stumbled upon a relativistic phenomenon.  This equation
> was an attempt by the two scientists to keep the Ether alive, and
> explain the completely unexpected result from the M-M experiment.
> Basically, the mathematical equivalent of a band-aid.  Einstein, on
> the
> other hand, started from the governing principles, and derived his way
> all the way to the same result Lorentz and Fitzgerald got to.  Lorentz
> and Fitzgerald didn't do that, ergo, no plagiarism.  It's also worth
> mentioning that most people agree that Einstein was likely unaware of
> Lorentz' and Fitzgerald's work (not surprising, considering that it
> wasn't really taken seriously until Einstein managed to derive it from
> first principles), since he could have referred to it as evidence that
> his special theory of relativity was correct.  That, by the way, would
> not be plagiarism either.
>
> It is important to note here (and observant readers will find that
> this
> is a rather constant theme in this pseudo-intellectual exercise) that
> the author seems convinced that the fact that two works finished at
> the
> same end result is enough to conclude plagiarism.  This is, of course,
> bullshit.  If this were true, Newton (who, next to Einstein is
> probably
> the most prominent physicist in history) plagiarized Kepler.  Kepler
> knew the equations of planetary motion many years before Newton
> figured
> out what made them work.  Snell plagiarized whoever looked up and
> first
> saw a rainbow.
>
> But it is the governing principles that we give Newton and Snell
> credit
> for, in the same way that we give Einstein credit for the governing
> principles behind relativity.
>
>>Furthermore, in 1892, Hendrik Lorentz, from The
>>Netherlands, proposed the same solution and began to
>>greatly expand the idea.
>
> NOTE: The author has just labeled Lorentz as a plagiarist, if we apply
> the same standard to Lorentz as (s)he has applied to Einstein.
>
>>All throughout the 1890's, both Lorentz and FitzGerald
>>worked on these ideas and wrote articles strangely
>>similar to Einstein's Special Theory detailing what is
>>now known as the Lorentz-FitzGerald Contraction.
>
> Also known as the Lorentz transformations.  They were still dealing
> with the propagation of electromagnetic waves through the Ether.  It
> was Einstein who realized that when their transformations were applied
> to his special relativity, the ether became superfluous.
>
> In other words, they weren't "strangely similar to Einstein's
> Special Theory" because they dealt with the end result of the special
> theory, whereas Einstein dealt with the root cause thereof.
>
>>In 1898, the Irishman Joseph Larmor wrote down
>>equations explaining the Lorentz-FitzGerald
>>contraction and its relativistic consequences, 7 years
>>before Einstein's paper. By 1904, Lorentz
>>transformations, the series of equations explaining
>>relativity, were published by Lorentz. They describe
>>the increase of mass, the shortening of length, and
>>the time dilation of a body moving at speeds close to
>>the velocity of light. In short, by 1904, everything
>>in Einstein's paper regarding the Special Theory of
>>Relativity had already been published.
>
> Except for the theory itself.
>
> Again, Lorentz-Fitzgerald transformations are not the special theory
> of
> relativity.  They are just the consequences of it.  And they were
> working from a flawed assumption: that the Ether exists.  Einstein
> showed a) that the ether is superfluous, and b) derived all of the
> transformations from first principles, and developed the physics on
> which relativity is based.  Lorentz and Fitzgerald didn't do either
> of these.
>
> Where's the plagiarism?
>
> It's also worth mentioning that any physics textbook refers to
> Einstein's application of Lorentz transformations as just that:
> Lorentz transformations.  It's not like it's some kind of dirty
> secret that someone's been trying to hush up.  It's also generally
> agreed that Einstein was unaware of Lorentz' work.  Not terribly
> surprising when it is considered that nobody really gave much thought
> to Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction *until* Einstein proposed a
> mechanism
> by which it could occur.
>
> However, after Special Relativity was published, Einstein became very
> vocal in his praise of Lorentz when he realized that the two had
> stumbled on the same results from different angles.
>
> He also refers to Maxwell's equations as "Maxwell's Equations."
> If you're plagiarizing, it makes very little sense to identify the
> people you're supposedly plagiarizing by name.
>
> So, not only are you claiming that the scientists themselves were so
> dumb that they didn't realize that their own works were being
> plagiarized, but that the scientific community was so dumb that they
> didn't realize that Einstein was plagiarizing when he identified the
> authors you claim that he was copying by name.
>
>>The Frenchman Poincar=E9 had, in 1898, written a paper
>>unifying many of these ideas. He stated seven years
>>before Einstein's paper that,
>>
>>"... we have no direct intuition about the equality of
>>two time intervals. The simultaneity of two events or
>>the order of their succession, as well as the equality
>>of two time intervals, must be defined in such a way
>>that the statements of the natural laws be as simple
>>as possible."
>
> Which is merely another piece of the puzzle.  The author has a nasty
> habit of mistaking the parts for the whole.  Anybody else notice that?
>
> It should also be mentioned, for completeness sake, that while
> Poincar=E9 may have had the insight to see the trailhead, what he did
> not do was follow the path where it led.  Poincar=E9 never formulated
> relativity.
>
> What Einstein managed to do was quite beautifully tie together what
> appeared to be conflicting (or more accurately, crackpot) theories
> about the nature of the universe, and show that they weren't
> conflicting (or crack-pottish) after all.
>
> That's what he gets, and deserves, the credit for.
>
>>Anyone who has read Einstein's 1905 paper
>
> Ah, yes, the "everybody knows I'm right" line of evidence.  With
> the minor flaw that not everybody knows that you're right.
>
>>will immediately recognize the similarity and the lack
>>of originality on the part of Einstein.
>
> Um, no.  Anybody who actually takes the time to Read "The
> Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" and compare it to Maxwell's,
> Fitzgerald's, Lorentz and Michelson & Morley's work, will in fact
> realize that Einstein was the first to draw together all the pieces
> that formed relativity.  Many scientists may have seen the proverbial
> tip of the iceberg, but Einstein was indisputably the first to dive
> below the surface and see its entire expanse.
>
>>Thus we see that the only thing original about the
>>paper was the term "Special Theory of Relativity."
>
> That's a rather impressive conclusion, since "On the
> Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" (the paper which later became known
> as "Special Relativity") doesn't actually have the term
> "Special Theory of Relativity," or "Special Relativity," or for
> that matter, any term with both of the words "Special" and
> "Relativity" in it.
>
> In fact, the word "special" only actually appears once in the whole
> paper, and is not in any way associated with the word "relativity."
>
> In fact, it wasn't until Einstein started work on his General
> Relativity that he started using the term "Special Theory of
> Relativity."
>
> For someone who spouts this bullshit claiming to have "examine[d] the
> life of Albert Einstein," you seem remarkably ignorant of the content
> of his works.
>
>>Everything else was plagiarized.
>
> Well, at least you were consistent in your utter failure to prove it.
>
>>Over the next few years, Poincar=E9 became one of the
>>most important lecturers and writers regarding
>>relativity, but he never, in any of his papers or
>>speeches, mentioned Albert Einstein.
>
> The reasons behind this have always been something of a mystery, and
> nobody seems to have an answer.  And nobody denies that he came
> awfully
> close to having formulated Relativity in his paper "Sur le Dynamique
> de
> L'=E9lectron."  Likewise, nobody denies that Einstein truly deserves
> the
> credit for Relativity.
>
> However, it's important to ask here, regardless of Poincar=E9's
> reasons
> for remaining silent with respect to Einstein, does it make any sense
> at all for him to have remained silent if he felt that Einstein was
> fraudulently using his work?
>
>>Thus, while Poincar=E9 was busy bringing the rest of the
>>academic world up to speed regarding relativity,
>>Einstein was still working in the patent office in
>>Bern
>
> And, don't forget, he was also completing a PhD in physics.
>
>>and no one in the academic community thought it
>>necessary to give much credence or mention to
>>Einstein's work. Most of these early physicists knew
>>that he was a fraud.
>
> Okay.  Please produce, say, one example of a physicist stating or even
> implying that Einstein was a fraud, and produce supporting evidence
> that they in fact said so.
>
> Here you have claimed that Einstein pilfered the works of some of the
> greatest physicists who have ever lived.   Strangely enough, you make
> no mention of the fact that no physicist ever came forward to claim
> that Einstein stole their results (all of the ones you've named
> except for Maxwell and Fitzgerald were alive and kicking when Special
> Relativity came out). Lorentz never came forward to say that he
> deserved all the credit for Special Relativity.  Larmor never said:
> "Hey, Al, that's my work you're profiting off of."  Poincar=E9
> never announced to the world that Einstein had pilfered his ideas.
> This would be the equivalent of my publishing Hawking's work on
> radiating black holes as my own, and nobody noticing.  Even if the
> scientific community never caught on to it, you can be damn sure
> Hawking would, and I guarantee he would raise holy hell for it.
>
> So, please provide the name of the physicist who took all these
> conflicting theories, and tied them together with a beautiful, elegant
> theory.
>
> I'll give you a hint: his last name is "Einstein."
>
> Of course, pieces that ultimately led Einstein to formulate Relativity
> existed already.  Why else would he have formulated it?  If no
> unexpected observation has been made, there's really no point in
> attempting to formulate a theory which explains it, is there?  As
> I've mentioned before, this is the way that science works.  An
> observation is made, and a theory is modified to explain that
> observation.
>
>>This brings us to the explanation of Brownian motion,
>>the subject of another of Einstein's 1905 papers.
>>Brownian motion describes the irregular motion of a
>>body arising from the thermal energy of the molecules
>>of the material in which the body is immersed. The
>>movement had first been observed by the Scottish
>>botanist Robert Brown in 1827.
>
> Hence the name "Brownian Motion."
>
> The title of Einstein's work is "Investigations on the Theory of
> Brownian Movement."
>
> So you would have us believe that Einstein would plagiarize someone,
> then identify the person he plagiarized by name *in the title of his
> thesis*?
>
> Not only that, but you would have us believe that his PhD committee
> (which you fail to mention, because doing so would require you to
> mention that Einstein got a PhD for this work) was too stupid to
> realize that he was plagiarizing his work on Brownian motion in spite
> of the fact that he identified the people you claim he was
> plagiarizing
> by name.
>
>>The explanation of this phenomenon has to do with the
>>Kinetic Theory of Matter, and it was the American
>>Josiah Gibbs and the Austrian Ludwig Boltzmann who
>>first explained this occurrence, not Albert Einstein.
>
> Gibbs and Boltzmann are credited with creating what would become
> Statistical Thermal Physics.  Namely, using statistical methods to
> bridge the microscopic world with the macroscopic.
>
> Why does this make Einstein a plagiarist?  If I use Newton's
> equations of motion to calculate the trajectory of a satellite, am I
> plagiarizing Newton?  Of course not.
>
> And again, you would have us believe that his PhD committee would be
> so
> dumb as to not notice that he was plagiarizing what are still today
> considered the definitive works in Statistical Thermal Physics.
>
>>In fact, the mathematical equation describing the
>>motion contains the famous Boltzmann constant, k.
>
> Not only does it have the Boltzmann constant, it has the whole
> Boltzmann equation in it.
>
> And not only that, but Einstein refers to it as the Boltzmann
> equation!
>
> So, are you really suggesting that the Boltzmann equation, one of the
> most fundamental equations in statistical physics, was unrecognizable
> by Einstein's PhD committee, even when he identifies it by name!?
>
>>Between these two men, they had explained by the 1890s
>>everything in Einstein's 1905 paper regarding Brownian
>>motion.
>
> Except the experiment Einstein did, which was to statistically analyze
> the momenta of gas molecules based upon the movement of soot.
>
> What made this paper ground-breaking (and a fact you omit) is that
> this
> was the first experimental evidence of the existence of molecules, as
> well as data on their size.
>
> Again, you're suspiciously tight-lipped about the fact that this
> paper earned Einstein a PhD.
>
> And again, you claim that Einstein stole the results of two of the
> leading scientists of the pre-Einstein age without anybody so much as
> batting an eyelash.
>
> It is worth noting that after bullshitting your way, at length,
> through
> Special Relativity, Einstein's work on Brownian Motion barely gets a
> token few paragraphs in your pile of cra-, I mean, essay.
>
> This may well be related to the fact that if you spoke much longer
> about it, you would have to admit that Einstein had a PhD in Physics
> from the University of Zurich for this work.  Somewhat contrary to
> your
> insistence that Einstein was an uneducated moron, isn't it?
>
> And you would have had to explain why Einstein's PhD committee
> didn't realize that he was plagiarizing some of the most prominent
> physicists of the pre-Einstein era.
>
>>The subject of the equivalence of mass and energy was
>>contained in a third paper published by Einstein in
>>1905.  This concept is expressed by the famous
>>equation E=3Dmc2. Einstein's biographers categorize this
>>as "his most famous and most spectacular conclusion."
>>Even though this idea is an obvious conclusion of
>>Einstein's earlier relativity paper,
>
> This "obvious conclusion" takes up the better part of four pages in
> "Modern Physics" by Serway, Moses and Moyer, 2nd edition (and
> that's when they skip a lot of the technical details).  And given
> that he was able to go from electrodynamics to the conclusion that
> matter and energy are interchangeable quantities, I'd say that this
> is a pretty spectacular conclusion, especially considering that it
> holds together under scrutiny.
>
> This principle is also the basis for nuclear power; which, while we
> can
> argue until we're blue in the face as to whether it's something we
> should be using, is still a pretty incredible discovery from a
> physical
> perspective.
>
>>it was not included in that paper but was published as
>>an afterthought later in the year. Still, the idea of
>>energy-mass equivalence was not original with
>>Einstein.
>
> Yes, it was.  You're about to (again) fail miserably to show that it
> was not.
>
>>That there was an equivalence between mass and energy
>>had been shown in the laboratory in the 1890s by both
>>J.J. Thomson
>
> This is gonna be another of my favorite responses.
>
> The experiment the author refers to above is the infamous "Thomson
> Experiment," performed in 1897.
>
> However, the value Thomson (whose major claim to fame is the discovery
> of the electron) measured represented nothing close to mass-energy
> equivalence...
>
> Thomson forced a beam of electrons through opposing electrical and
> magnetic fields and measured the ratio of the electron's charge (not
> its rest energy) to its mass.
>
> In fact, the only similarity between Einstein's work and Thomson's
> is that the end results both have the letters "e" and "m" in
> them.  Unfortunately (for you) Thomson's "e" represents charge
> (and not just any old charge either, specifically the charge of an
> electron), whereas Einstein's "E" represents rest energy (for any
> matter).  Likewise Thomson's "m" represents mass (and not just
> any old mass either, specifically the mass of an electron), and
> Einstein's "m" represents mass (for any matter).
>
> Didn't think anybody would catch on to that, didja?
>
> Now, in fairness, Thomson did suggest once that matter arose from an
> energy field, but he never was able to provide any supporting evidence
> thereof; either theoretical or experimental.  What you, sir, need to
> recognize is that saying: "maybe this is happening" is very
> different from saying "here's my evidence that this is
> happening."  The former is what Thomson did, the latter was
> Einstein's work.
>
>>of Cambridge and by W. Kaufmann in G=F6ttingen.
>
> If you're trying to establish plagiarism here, Kaufmann really should
> be mentioned in the section on Special Relativity.  Kaufmann, in an
> experiment similar to Thomson's (which, by your logic, also makes
> Kaufmann a plagiarist), stumbled on the fact that the inertial mass of
> an electron increases with its velocity in 1901.
>
> He succeeded in neither formulating, nor explaining the phenomenon,
> and
> to the best of anybody's knowledge, Einstein was unaware of his work.
> If he were, he would have referred to his work as evidence that his
> Special Theory of Relativity was correct (which, by the way, isn't
> plagiarism either).
>
> It is also important to note that this has absolutely nothing to do
> with mass-energy equivalence, since the E=3Dmc^2 refers to the
> object's
> rest mass, not its inertial mass.
>
>>In 1900, Poincar=E9 had shown that there was a mass
>>relationship for all forms of energy, not just
>>electromagnetic energy.
>
> Which means nothing.  Einstein actually determined what that
> relationship is.  Saying that a relationship exists, and actually
> determining what that relationship is are two different things.
>
> Furthermore, what Einstein is given credit for is the fact that he was
> able to bind this conclusion to his special relativity, which in turn,
> he was able to bind to electrodynamics.
>
> In other words, he created a chain of knowledge from Maxwell's
> Equations to Special Relativity to Mass-energy equivalence.
>
> Poincar=E9 didn't do that.  Thomson and Kaufmann, I've already
> established, had absolutely nothing to do with mass-energy
> equivalence.
>
> Where's the plagiarism?
>
>>Yet, the most probable source of Einstein's plagiarism
>>was Friedrich Hasen=F6hrl, one of the most brilliant,
>>yet unappreciated physicists of the era. Hasen=F6hrl was
>>the teacher of many of the German scientists who would
>>later become famous for a variety of topics.
>
> Indeed.  One of his major claims to fame is that he had Schr=F6dinger
> as
> a pupil.
>
>>He had worked on the idea of the equivalence of mass
>>and energy for many years and had published a paper on
>>the topic in 1904 in the very same journal which
>>Einstein would publish his plagiarized version in
>>1905.
>
> And somehow the Journal reviewers managed to miss the fact that it was
> plagiarized, in spite of the fact that the article he was supposedly
> plagiarizing had been published less than a year before in the exact
> same journal.
>
> You are aware that there's a process called "peer review" when a paper
> is submitted, right?
>
>>
>>For his brilliant work in this area, Hasen=F6rhl had
>>received in 1904 a prize from the prestigious Vienna
>>Academy of Sciences.
>
> Actually, the first attempt to replace Einstein's name with
> Hasen=F6hrl was by Lenard in 1930.  Lenard had had his nose bloodied
> by
> the fact that Einstein had beaten him to Photoelectricity.  Lenard was
> an open and unabashed antisemite and an avid supporter of the Nazi
> party.  This does not, in and of itself dismiss his allegations, but I
> point it out merely to demonstrate that Lenard's opinions on Einstein
> may have been somewhat, shall we say, colored.  Lenard was not only
> openly opposed to all things Jewish (he was one of the physicists who
> openly condemned "Jewish Physics" in Nazi Germany), but anything
> that wasn't German.  For example, he insisted that all instruments
> which measured current in Amperes (named for a Frenchman) changed to
> measure current in Webers (Named for German Wilhelm Weber).
>
> Lenard spent several years trying to either find logical
> contradictions
> in Einstein's work, or to experimentally disprove them.  He failed,
> so he started a smear campaign against Einstein, in an attempt to
> rewrite history, giving Hasen=F6hrl credit for mass-energy equivalence
>
> Hasen=F6hrl observed an increase in mass which was associated with a
> cavity flooded with energy radiation.  First, it is important to note
> that his formulation was in error, and was later corrected by
> Hasen=F6hrl (after Einstein published his works).  Second, it is very
> important to note that Hasen=F6hrl himself never contested Einstein's
> claims.  He was certainly aware of Einstein's work.  In fact, he was
> a great admirer of it (which, ultimately, is why Lenard's smear
> campaign failed: Hasen=F6hrl objected to being used in such a way).
> But
> he never once stepped forward to contest it.
>
>>Furthermore, the mathematical relationship of mass and
>>energy was a simple deduction from the already
>>well-known equations of Scottish physicist James
>>Maxwell.
>
> Or even James Clerk Maxwell.
>
> To go from Maxwell to E=3Dmc^2 took close to a chapter in Serway,
> Moses &
> Moyer (all three are quite admirable physicists in their own rights),
> and even they needed Einistein to see it.
>
>>Scientists long understood that the mathematical
>>relationship expressed by the equation E=3Dmc2 was the
>>logical result of Maxwell's work, they just did not
>>believe it.
>
> Um, no.  Actually, Einstein was the first to realize that E=3Dmc^2 was
> the logical end result of Maxwell's work.  So far, you've found a
> grand total of zero (0) people who realized it before him.
>
>>Thus, the experiments of Thomson,
>
> What the hell does the charge to mass ratio of an electron have to do
> with E=3Dmc^2?
>
>>Kaufmann,
>
> What the hell does an increase in the inertial mass of an electron
> have
> to do with E=3Dmc^2?
>
>>and finally, and most importantly, Hasen=F6rhl,
>
> Who, of these three is the only one whose work was actually in a
> similar area to Einstein's work, yet in no way resembles it.
>
> Hasen=F6hrl himself never accused Einstein of Plagiarism.
>
>>confirmed Maxwell's work.
>
> With the minor problem that Maxwell's work has absolutely nothing to
> do with mass-energy equivalence.
>
>>It is ludicrous to believe that Einstein developed
>>this postulate, particularly in light of the fact that
>>Einstein did not have the laboratory necessary to
>>conduct the appropriate experiments.
>
> Which is what ***theoretical*** physics is.  Your laboratory is your
> brain, a pencil, and a pad of paper.  And if it's Einstein's brain
> you're working with, that's one hell of a well-equipped laboratory.
>
> Remember, this was about 50 years pre-Sputnik.  We couldn't get an
> object moving fast enough to get it into orbit, much less travelling
> at
> a non-negligible fraction of the speed of light.
>
> In fact, it took a Solar Eclipse for one of Einstein's theories to be
> experimentally verified.  Even today, we haven't managed to reproduce
> a solar eclipse in a laboratory.
>
> Later, studies of the orbit of Mercury substantiated more of
> Einstein's claims.  Even today, we haven't managed to reproduce
> Mercury's orbit in a laboratory setting either.
>
> On December 2nd, 1942 (over 37 years after Einstein published his work
> on mass-energy equivalence), Fermi managed to sustain a nuclear chain
> reaction (which is a direct application of mass-energy equivalence).
> He
> did it on a volleyball court, and a greater understanding of the
> properties of Uranium (unavailable in when Einstein published his
> papers) was necessary prior to the creation of this sustained
> reaction.
>
> More recently, some of the most accurate radiotelescopes on earth were
> employed to measure the "speed of gravity," which Einstein
> predicted would be equal to c.  These radiotelescopes were not
> available to Einstein.  They hadn't been built yet.
>
> In other words, not only did Einstein lack the laboratory to perform
> the "appropriate experiments," but he lacked the "appropriate
> experiments" themselves.  He was dealing with quantities for which it
> was (and in some cases, still is) impossible to make any experimental
> measurements.  A laboratory was not only unnecessary for the studies
> he
> was doing, but it would have been completely useless for them.
>
>>In this same plagiarized article of Einstein's, he
>>suggested to the scientific community, "Perhaps it
>>will prove possible to test this theory using bodies
>>whose energy content is variable to a high degree
>>(e.g., salts of radium)." This remark demonstrates how
>>little Einstein understood about science, for this was
>>truly an outlandish remark.
>
> No, actually this experiment is perfectly possible on paper and would,
> in principle, work.  However, equipment capable of measuring such a
> small change in mass is still unavailable.
>
>>By saying this, Einstein showed that he really did not
>>understand basic scientific principles and that he was
>>writing about a topic that he did not understand.
>
> No, in your own quote, Einstein is speaking theoretically.  He's
> suggesting that in the future (he doesn't specify when) that such a
> correlation may be directly observable, as indeed it would be, if we
> had equipment which could measure a change in mass that small.
>
>>In fact, in response to this article, J. Precht
>>remarked that such an experiment "lies beyond the
>>realm of possible experience."
>
> And it does, right now.  A hundred years down the road?  Who knows?
> The catch is that we cannot measure a change in mass that small.
>
> Think about it, the change in mass is proportional to the energy
> emitted divided by the square of the speed of light (a value of about
> 9=2E0x10^16 m^2/s^2... That's a 9 followed by 16 zeroes).  This gives
> a
> tiny number, unless the amount of energy is absolutely gargantuan. For
> a more concrete example, the amount of mass transformed into energy in
> Fat Man and Little Boy was of the order of about a gram, yet you've
> seen the devastation caused to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Try to picture
> measuring the reverse when the amount of energy released is a
> miniscule
> fraction of that released by those detonations.  It's entirely
> possible that equipment sensitive enough to measure such a small
> change
> in mass will someday become available, and if it were to become
> available, a correlation between energy release and change in mass
> would be observable (ie, measure the amount of energy thrown off, then
> correlate it with the loss of mass).  We just can't do it now.
>
>>The last subject dealt with in Einstein's 1905 papers
>>was the foundation of the photon theory of light.
>>
>>Einstein wrote about the photoelectric effect. The
>>photoelectric effect is the release of electrons from
>>certain metals or semiconductors by the action of
>>light. This area of research is particularly important
>>to the Einstein myth because it was for this topic
>>that he unjustly received his 1922 Nobel Prize.
>
> 1: It was 1921, unless you want to explain to Niels Bohr why you've
> just awarded his Nobel Prize to Einstein.
>
> 2: Are you honestly attempting to argue that the Nobel Committee
> couldn't spot a plagiarism which you are again about to attribute to
> two of the most celebrated physicists of all time?
>
> I believe it's worth mentioning that someone who had actually done
> any real research into Einstein's life would have at least got the
> year he won the Nobel Prize right.
>
>>But again, it is not Einstein, but Wilhelm Wien and
>>Max Planck who deserve the credit.
>
> It should also be mentioned that if you follow the author's logic
> through to conclusion; Planck, who combined the formulae of Raleigh
> and
> Wein to come up with his principle, is also a plagiarist.
>
> Not to mention that Planck's derivations are a direct application of
> the Boltzmann equation, which you claim that Einstein stole in a
> previous paragraph.
>
> The same double-standard rears its head yet again.
>
> At least when the author was writing about Special Relativity, he used
> scientists who were working in the same (broad) area as Einstein.
>
> Now, he's going to claim that Einstein plagiarized from scientists
> who were working in a completely different field, namely Black Body
> Radiation.
>
>>The main point of Einstein's paper, and the point for
>>which he is given credit, is that light is emitted and
>>absorbed in finite packets called quanta. This was the
>>explanation for the photoelectric effect. The
>>photoelectric effect had been explained by Heinrich
>>Hertz in 1888.
>
> Hertz concluded his paper with the words: "... I confine myself at
> present to communicating the results obtained, without attempting any
> theory respecting the manner in which the observed phenomena are
> brought about."
>
> This is, put simply, what separates Hertz' work from Einstein's.
> Hertz concentrated on what happened, whereas Einstein's work
> concentrated on how it happened.  There's a difference.  Hertz'
> work never included the theory that light is emitted and absorbed in
> finite packets, which was the central point of Einstein's work.
>
> Where's the plagiarism?
>
> It also, again, raises the question that if Einstein were truly a
> fraud, and he is worshipped so because he was Jewish, why Hertz isn't
> equally worshipped.  He, too, was Jewish.
>
>>Hertz and others, including Philipp Lenard, worked on
>>understanding this phenomenon. Lenard was the first to
>>show that the energy of the electrons released in the
>>photoelectric effect was not governed by the intensity
>>of the light but by the frequency of the light. This
>>was an important breakthrough.
>
> True, technically, but Lenard failed to explain the phenomenon.  He
> was
> unable to come up with a sound theory which explained his observation.
> This is where Einstein came in.
>
> Einstein possessed theoretical insight that Lenard lacked, and
> succeeded in explaining and formulating the photoelectric effect.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, Lenard never forgave Einstein for beating
> him to Photoelectricity, but he never once contested Einstein's claim
> to it.
>
> In fact, he would spend years trying to disprove Einstein's theory,
> either experimentally or by showing a logical fallacy in his work.  He
> would ultimately fail, and resorted to a smear campaign.  This would
> ultimately fail because the person he was attempting to give credit
> for
> Einstein's work (Hasen=F6hrl) told him to stop.
>
>>Wien and Planck were colleagues and they were the
>>fathers of modern day quantum theory.
>
> Which I don't believe anybody seriously denies, including those who
> think Einstein is pretty cool.
>
>>By 1900, Max Planck, based upon his and Wien's work,
>>had shown that radiated energy was absorbed and
>>emitted in finite units called quanta.
>
> However, they discovered this in relation to Black Bodies (which, for
> those of you who care about such things, is something of a misnomer.
> "Black Bodies" don't necessarily need to be black.  For that
> matter, they don't necessarily need to be bodies).  Planck came up
> with the theory that energy exists in quantized amounts to explain
> what
> was known as the "Ultraviolet Catastrophe."  This had absolutely
> nothing to do with photoelectricity.
>
>>The only difference in his work of 1900 and Einstein's
>>work of 1905
>
> .=2E.apart from the fact that they dealt with completely different
> physical concepts...
>
>>was that Einstein limited himself to talking about one
>>particular type of energy - light energy.
>
> Photoelectric: Photo=3Dlight, electric=3Dself-explanatory.
>
> If he'd meant to study another form of energy, he would have called
> it something else.
>
>>But the principles and equations governing the process
>>in general had been deduced by Planck in 1900.
>
> Um, no.  To those of us who actually learned to read, Planck's work
> and derivations look nothing whatsoever like Einstein's.
>
> In fact, Black Body radiation is governed by completely different
> equations from photoelectricity.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Nice try, though.
>
>>Einstein himself admitted that the obvious conclusion
>>of Planck's work was that light also existed in
>>discrete packets of energy.
>
> But nobody had considered the possibility before Einstein came along.
>
> And more importantly, nobody had considered the consequences of it.
>
>>Thus, nothing in this paper of Einstein's was
>>original.
>
> Please provide the name of the scientist who formulated
> photoelectricity (what Einstein is credited with) before Einstein.
> I'll wait.
>
>>After the 1905 papers of Einstein were published, the
>>scientific community took little notice and Einstein
>>continued his job at the patent office until 1909 when
>>it was arranged for him to take a position at a school
>>by World Jewry.
>
> Sieg Heil.
>
>>Still, it was not until a 1919 newspaper headline that
>>he gained any notoriety.
>
> And that headline is suspiciously absent here.  It, of course,
> announced that direct observation had substantiated Einstein's
> postulates.
>
>>With Einstein's academic appointment in 1909,
>
> And you don't mention how he managed that when you insist that up to
> this point, he was "without success" in getting a position at a
> university.
>
> Academic appointments generally aren't given to people who lack at
> least one degree.
>
>>he was placed in a position where he could begin to
>>use other people's work as his own more openly.
>
> He probably could have.  What you have not established, and do not
> establish, is that he did.
>
>>He engaged many of his students to look for ways to
>>prove the theories he had supposedly developed,
>
> This is possibly the closest to a truthful statement in the entire
> essay.  All you need to do is remove the word "supposedly" in the
> sentence above, and you have a completely true statement.
>
>>or ways to apply those theories, and then he could
>>present the research as his own or at least take
>>partial credit.
>
> And you have yet to cast any doubt whatsoever on whether he was
> perfectly right to do so.
>
>>In this vein, in 1912, he began to try and express his
>>gravitational research in terms of a new, recently
>>developed calculus,
>
> The tensor calculus developed by Levi-Civita.  Also, by the way,
> Jewish.
>
>>which was conducive to understanding relativity. This
>>was the beginning of his General Theory of Relativity,
>>which he would publish in 1915.
>
> True.
>
>>But the mathematical work was not done by Einstein -
>>he was incapable of it.
>
> He wasn't the only one.  Even today, people who can are few and far
> between.  He would, however, learn to do it.
>
>>Instead, it was performed by the mathematician Marcel
>>Grossmann,
>
> Einstein's buddy from ETH, the internationally-recognized school you
> insist he wasn't able to get into.
>
> Grossman was also, incidentally, Jewish.
>
>>who in turn used the mathematical principles developed
>>by Berhard Riemann, who was the first to develop a
>>sound non-Euclidean geometry, which is the basis of
>>all mathematics used to describe relativity.
>
> I am going to make something of a revelation here to the author:
>
> Mathematics and Physics are separate disciplines.
>
> The application of a mathematical concept to a physical principle does
> not equate to plagiarism.  For example: Gauss' Divergence Theorem is
> one of the most-often used mathematical principles in electrodynamics.
> Yet, if applying this theorem equated to plagiarism, it should be
> noted
> that the author of this piece has in previous paragraphs applauded as
> a
> genius someone who should be a plagiarist: James Clerk Maxwell.
>
> In fact, if we follow the author's logic through to conclusion,
> Riemann plagiarized his work as well: he applied the mathematical
> principles of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division;
> concepts he did not invent.
>
>>The General Theory of Relativity applied the
>>principles of relativity to the universe; that is, to
>>the gravitational pull of planets and their orbits,
>>and the general principle that light rays bend as they
>>pass by a massive object. Einstein published an
>>initial paper in 1913 based upon the work which
>>Grossmann did, adapting the math of Riemann to
>>Relativity.
>
> Throughout this passage, you would have us believe that the
> application
> of a mathematical principle is sufficient grounds to assume
> plagiarism.
>
> This is, of course, bullshit.
>
>>But this paper was filled with errors and the
>>conclusions were incorrect.
>
> Which, far from establishing plagiarism, only goes to show that even
> Einstein doesn't always get it exactly right on his first try.
>
> It also brings up a rather interesting question... If the only reason
> for Einstein's fame is the fact that he was Jewish, as you would have
> us believe; why didn't the unidentified conspirators (for which, I
> might add, the author provides absolutely no evidence) bury his faulty
> 1913 paper?
>
>>It appears that Grossmann was not smart enough to
>>figure it out for Einstein.  So Einstein was forced to
>>look elsewhere to plagiarize his General Theory.
>>
>>Einstein published his correct General Theory of
>>Relativity in 1915, and said prior to its publication
>>that he, "...completely succeeded in convincing
>>Hilbert and Klein." He is referring to David Hilbert,
>>perhaps the most brilliant mathematician of the 20th
>>century, and Felix Klein, another mathematician who
>>had been instrumental in the development of the area
>>of calculus that Grossmann had used to develop the
>>General Theory of Relativity for Einstein.
>
> Except that Grossmann developed the math that Einstein used to
> formulate General Relativity, not relativity itself.  There's a
> difference.
>
> For example, I'm not plagiarizing whoever invented multiplication if
> I employ a formula that uses it, am I?
>
> If one of my derivations happens to include Pythagoras' theorem, am I
> plagiarizing Pythagoras?
>
>>Einstein's statement regarding the two men would lead
>>the reader to believe that Einstein had changed
>>Hilbert's and Klein's opinions regarding General
>>Relativity, and that he had influenced them in their
>>thinking. However, the exact opposite is true.
>>Einstein stole the majority of his General Relativity
>>work from these two men, the rest being taken from
>>Grossmann.
>
> See, the author has basically two strategies at his disposal:
>
> 1) Twist the facts so that they fit your agenda.
>
> or
>
> 2) When you don't have any facts that can be made to fit your agenda,
> make some up.  Most civilized people call this lying.
>
> Basically, this whole paragraph is one completely unfounded
> allegation.
>
>>Hilbert submitted for publication, a week before
>>Einstein completed his work, a paper which contained
>>the correct field equations of General Relativity.
>>What this means is that Hilbert wrote basically the
>>exact same paper, with the same conclusions, before
>>Einstein did.
>
> No, what this means is that Hilbert published a paper which included
> field equations which were also used in General Relativity. They're
> far from being all of it.  Indeed, Hilbert saw a small piece of the
> greater puzzle that was General Relativity.
>
> Of course, the fact that Hilbert's work involves Tensor calculus, and
> mathematical concepts that he did not invent, renders Hilbert's work
> plagiarized as well, according to the author of this piece.
>
> For those of you keeping score, I've pointed out four prominent
> scientists named in this essay: Planck, Hilbert, Lorentz, and Maxwell.
>
> I have pointed out that the author's logic leads to the conclusion
> that each one was a plagiarist.  Yet, the author does not denounce
> even
> one as a fraud.  I wonder why.
>
>>Einstein would have had an opportunity to know of
>>Hilbert's work all along, because there were Jewish
>>friends of his working for Hilbert.
>
> Sieg Heil.
>
>>Yet, even this was not necessary, for Einstein had
>>seen Hilbert's paper in advance of publishing his own.
>
> Which begs the obvious question: if Einstein didn't need friends to
> collect Hilbert's work (ignoring for the moment that you provide no
> evidence that he had such friends available to obtain Hilbert's work
> for him), why do you even bother mentioning it?
>
>>Both of these papers were, before being printed,
>>delivered in the form of a lecture.
>>
>>Einstein presented his paper on November 25, 1915 in
>>Berlin and Hilbert had presented his paper on November
>>20 in G=F6ttingen. On November 18, Hilbert received a
>>letter from Einstein thanking him for sending him a
>>draft of the treatise Hilbert was to deliver on the
>>20th. So, in fact, Hilbert had sent a copy of his work
>>at least two weeks in advance to Einstein before
>>either of the two men delivered their lectures, but
>>Einstein did not send Hilbert an advance copy of his.
>>Therefore, this serves as incontrovertible proof that
>>Einstein quickly plagiarized the work and then
>>presented it, hoping to beat Hilbert to the punch.
>
> In the printed version of his paper, Hilbert wrote:
>
> "The differential equations of gravitation that result are, as it
> seems to me, in agreement with the magnificent theory of general
> relativity ***established by Einstein in his later papers.***"
> (***Emphasis*** mine)
>
> Among scientists, this constitutes a concession of the priority of
> Einstein's work.  A very nice paper putting to rest the question of
> priority between Einstein and Hilbert can be found in "Science"
> Volume 278 (Nov. 14, 1997) pages 1270-1273.  The title of the article
> is "Belated Decision on the Hilbert-Einstein priority dispute" and
> is written by L Corry, J Renn and J Stachel.
>
> It would seem that I've just contested your "incontrovertible
> proof."  If Hilbert felt he was being plagiarized, why on Earth did
> he go out of his way to concede priority for General Relativity to
> Einstein?
>
>>Also, at the same time, Einstein publicly began to
>>belittle Hilbert, even though in the previous summer
>>he had praised him in an effort to get Hilbert to
>>share his work with him.
>>
>>Hilbert made the mistake of sending Einstein this
>>draft copy, but still he delivered his work first.
>
> Whether he delivered it first or not, you fail to explain why he
> conceded priority for General Relativity to Einstein.
>
>>Not only did Hilbert publish his work first, but it
>>was of much higher quality than Einstein's. It is
>>known today that there are many problems with
>>assumptions made in Einstein's General Theory paper.
>>We know today that Hilbert was much closer to the
>>truth.
>
> Not on General Relativity, no.
>
>>Hilbert's paper is the forerunner of the unified field
>>theory of gravitation and electromagnetism and of the
>>work of Erwin Schr=F6dinger, whose work is the basis of
>>all modern day quantum mechanics.
>
> You do realize that Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are two different
> things, right?
>
> And note, applying the same standard to Schr=F6dinger as the author
> has
> to Einstein, the author has him/herself described Schr=F6dinger as a
> plagiarist.
>
>>That the group of men discussed so far were the actual
>>originators of the ideas claimed by Einstein was known
>>by the scientific community all along. In 1940, a
>>group of German physicists meeting in Austria declared
>>that "before Einstein, Aryan scientists like Lorentz,
>>Hasen=F6hrl, Poincar=E9, etc., had created the foundations
>>of the theory of relativity..."
>
> Hold that thought for just a moment...
>
>>However, the Jewish media did not promote the work of
>>these men. The Jewish media did not promote the work
>>of David Hilbert, but instead they promoted the work
>>of the Jew Albert Einstein.
>
> Don't you think it's just slightly hypocritical to accuse the media
> of biased promotion of Einstein because he was Jewish in the same
> proverbial breath as you quoted scientists from Nazi Germany (during
> the time when "Jewish Physics" was being openly and publicly
> condemned) to support your thesis that Einstein was a dolt?
>
>>As we mentioned earlier, this General Theory, as
>>postulated by Hilbert first and in plagiarized form by
>>Einstein second, stated that light rays should bend
>>when they pass by a massive object.
>
> Actually, Einstein first suggested that light would bend around a
> massive object in a paper in 1907, four years before Hilbert and
> Einstein would publish their papers on General Relativity.
>
>>In 1919, during the eclipse of the Sun, light from
>>distant stars passing close to the Sun was observed to
>>bend according to the theory. This evidence supported
>>the General Theory of Relativity, and the
>>Jewish-controlled media immediately seized upon the
>>opportunity to prop up Einstein as a hero, at the
>>expense of the true genius, David Hilbert.
>
> If you're looking for someone to blame for the credit given to
> Einstein, blame Hilbert.  I point out that he himself conceded
> priority
> for General Relativity to Einstein, as demonstrated above.
>
>>On November 7th, 1919, the London Times ran an
>>article, the headline of which proclaimed, "Revolution
>>in science - New theory of the Universe - Newtonian
>>ideas overthrown." This was the beginning of the
>>force-feeding of the Einstein myth to the masses. In
>>the following years, Einstein's earlier 1905 papers
>>were propagandized and Einstein was heralded as the
>>originator of all the ideas he had stolen.
>
> With the minor flaw in your logic being that he hadn't stolen his
> ideas.  So far you've established that exactly zero (0) of his ideas
> were stolen.
>
>>Because of this push by the Jewish media, in 1922, ...
>
> .=2E.1921, actually...
>
>>=2E..Einstein received the Nobel Prize for the work he
>>had stolen in 1905 regarding the photoelectric effect.
>
> And work you failed to establish was, in fact, stolen.
>
>>The establishment of the Einstein farce between 1919
>>and 1922 was an important coup for world Zionism and
>>Jewry. As soon as Einstein had been established as an
>>idol to the popular masses of England and America, his
>>image was promoted as the rare genius that he is
>>erroneously believed to be today.
>
> Indeed, he is probably a greater genius than he is erroneously
> believed
> to be today, as more and more of his postulates are being supported by
> experimentation which he could not have performed during his lifetime.
>
>>As such, he immediately began his work as a tool for
>>World Zionism. The masses bought into the idea that if
>>someone was so brilliant as to change our fundamental
>>understanding of the universe, then certainly we ought
>>to listen to his opinions regarding political and
>>social issues. This is exactly what World Jewry wanted
>>to establish in its ongoing effort of social
>>engineering.
>>
>>They certainly did not want someone like David Hilbert
>>to be recognized as rare genius. After all, this
>>physicist
>
> Hilbert was really far more of a mathematician than a physicist.
>
>>had come from a strong German, Christian background.
>>His grandfather's two middle names were "F=FCrchtegott
>>Leberecht" or "Fear God, Live Right."
>
> I'd like to hear your explanation of exactly what Hilbert's
> Grandfater's middle names have to do with anything.
>
> What's the next irrelevant detail you're going to bring up, the
> maiden name of Hilbert's second cousin, four times removed's
> chiropractor's aunt?
>
>>In August of 1934, the day before a vote was to be
>>taken regarding installing Adolf Hitler as President
>>of the Reich, Hilbert signed a proclamation in support
>>of Adolf Hitler, along with other leading German
>>scientists, that was published in the German
>>newspapers. So the Jews certainly did not want David
>>Hilbert receiving the credit he deserved.
>
> Hilbert, admittedly, never won a Nobel Prize.  This is largely a
> consequence of the fact that none is offered in mathematics.
>
> He did, however, receive many honors throughout his career, and is
> still viewed by those who care about such things as one of the most
> brilliant mathematicians of the 20th century.
>
> If the Jews didn't want him getting any credit, they did a really
> lousy job of keeping it away from him.
>
>>The Jews did not want Max Planck receiving the credit
>>he deserved either. This German's grandfather and
>>great-grandfather had been important German
>>theologians, and during World War II he would stay in
>>Germany throughout the war, supporting his fatherland
>>the best he could.
>
> Planck got the Nobel Prize in Physics for his work in Blackbody
> Radiation in 1918...  Three years before Einstein, and is today
> regarded as one of the most brilliant physicists ever to have lived;
> looked upon with nearly as much reverence as Einstein himself.
>
> If the Jews didn't want him receiving any credit, they did a crappy
> job of keeping it away from him, too.
>
> It's also worth mentioning that Planck wasn't as supportive of his
> "fatherland" as you're making it sound here.  His son was executed for
> a plot to assasinate Hitler, and for a time he both praised Einstein
> (in direct opposition to the Nazis who were openly condemning "Jewish
> Physics"), and publicly denounced the actions of the Nazis,
> intervening
> on behalf of Jewish scientists.  He even met with Hitler in an attempt
> to stop actions against Jewish scientists and when that ultimately
> failed, he resigned his position as president at the Kaiser Wilhelm
> Institute in 1937 in protest.  He had held the position since 1930.
>
> Many people, Jews and non-Jews view Planck as a hero.
>
>>The Jews certainly did not want the up-and-coming
>>Erwin Schr=F6dinger to be heralded as a genius to the
>>masses.
>
> Schr=F6dinger won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1933... Twelve years
> after Einstein.
>
> He, also, is considered one of the most brilliant physicists who ever
> lived.  The infamous "Schr=F6dinger Equation" is one of the greatest
> discoveries in the history of physics, and is perhaps second only to
> E=3Dmc2 as the single most famous equation in modern physics.
>
> So far, the Jews are zero for three keeping credit away from prominent
> scientists.
>
>>This Austrian physicist would go on to teach at Adolf
>>Hitler University in Austria, and he wrote a public
>>letter expressing his support for the Third Reich.
>
> Not exactly.  It wasn't actually Adolf Hitler University while
> Schr=F6dinger started teaching there. Schr=F6dinger left Germany in
> 1933
> specifically because he felt he could not live in a country where the
> persecution of Jews had become national policy.  He ended up in Graz
> where he taught until 1938.  He would be dismissed from his post on
> August 26, 1938 for "political unreliability."  He would work in
> conjunction with Alexander Lindemann to arrange positions in England
> for Jewish scientists.
>
> Not exactly the kind of guy that the Jews would want to condemn,
> frankly.
>
>>This Austrian's work on the unified field theory was a
>>forerunner of modern physics, even though it had been
>>criticized by Einstein, who apparently could not
>>understand it.
>
> On the contrary, he understood it well enough to punch what was
> thought
> for years to be a gigantic hole in it, known as the
> Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox.
>
>>The Jews did not want to have Werner Heisenberg
>>promoted as a rare genius,
>
> Heisenberg won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1932, and his famous
> "Uncertainty Principle" is still the benchmark of modern Quantum
> Mechanics.
>
> In the past few paragraphs, you've named three prominent physicists,
> and one prominent mathematician (Namely Planck, Heisenberg, Hilbert
> and
> Schrodinger), claiming that each was denied credit for their work
> because of "the Jews."
>
> Planck, Heisenberg, and Schr=F6dinger (all Nobel Prize winners), are
> among the most celebrated physicists of all time.  Among those of us
> who actually study physics (if not the general public), their names
> are
> spoken with almost the same level of reverence reserved for Einstein.
> Hilbert, for those who care about such things, is considered one of
> the
> greatest, if not the greatest mathematician who ever lived (with the
> possible exceptions of Gauss or Euler).
>
>>even though he would go on to solidify quantum theory
>>and contribute to it greatly, as well as develop his
>>famous uncertainty principle, in addition to
>>describing the modern  atom and nucleus and the
>>binding energies that are essential to modern
>>chemistry.  No, the Jews did not want Heisenberg
>>promoted as a genius because he would go on to head
>>the German atomic bomb project and serve prison time
>>after the war for his involvement with the Third
>>Reich.
>
> Heisenberg had his appointment as professor of theoretical physics at
> Munich blocked several times by the Third Reich, because he was
> working
> in an area of physics that was deemed "Jewish."  He refused on several
> occasions, and with the possibility of very serious consequences, and
> under constant attacks from the press for his area of research, to
> change his area of research.  Not exactly the kind of guy that the
> Jews
> would have an interest in condemning.
>
> The reason why Planck, Heisenberg and Schr=F6dinger are not terribly
> close to people's minds is because they chose an area of physics
> people find difficult to understand.  Not to mention one that isn't
> terribly elegant (QM tends to be big and ugly).  Einstein, on the
> other
> hand, formulated something concrete, observable, and elegant in its
> simplicity.  Something the general population could get a grip on.
> Relativity is a lot easier to get a grasp of than Quantum Mechanics,
> especially if you don't have to do the math behind either one.  Even
> in qualitative terms, many have trouble grasping (as Einstein did)
> that
> a particle has no definite quantities until you measure them.
>
> Not to mention the fact that Relativity is still the best blueprint we
> have so far of the universe.
>
> Nevertheless, among those who care about such things (if not the
> general public), Planck, Heisenberg and Schr=F6dinger are still among
> the most celebrated physicists of all time.  Second only, perhaps, to
> Einstein himself.
>
>>No, the Jews did not want to give credit to any of a
>>number of white Germans,
>
> Um, not to point out the obvious, but Einstein ***was*** a white
> German.
>
>>Austrians, Irishmen, Frenchmen, Scotsmen, Englishmen,
>>and even Americans who had contributed to the body of
>>knowledge and evidence from which Einstein plagiarized
>>and stole his work.
>
> And, strangely enough, you've failed miserably to show that the work
> is plagiarized.
>
>>Instead, they needed to erect Einstein as their golden
>>calf, even though he repeatedly and often embarrassed
>>himself with his nonfactual or nearsighted comments
>>regarding the work he had supposedly done. For
>>example, in 1934, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ran a
>>front page article in which Einstein gave an "emphatic
>>denial" regarding the idea of practical applications
>>for the "energy of the atom."
>
> In which he doesn't actually deny the applications of the energy of
> the atom, merely that this is a power that he doesn't trust human
> beings to wield.  We detonated the first atomic bomb in Hiroshima.
> We've been trying to atone for it ever since.
>
>>The article says, "But the 'energy of the atom' is
>>something else again. If you believe that man will
>>someday be able to harness this boundless energy-to
>>drive a great steamship across the ocean on a pint of
>>water, for instance-then, according to Einstein, you
>>are wrong..."
>
> No... According to Einstein, the energy of the Atom is something that
> shouldn't be used, not something that can't.  There's an
> important distinction there.
>
> I also point out that nobody has managed yet to derive any substantial
> quantity of energy from a pint of water.  Pons and Fleischmann claim
> that they've managed to do it, but so far their experiment has never
> been reproduced.
>
>>Again, Einstein clearly did not understand the branch
>>of physics he had supposedly founded,
>
> On the contrary, he understood it so well that he realized how
> terrifyingly powerful the technology was.  Considering that the first
> application of this technology was to flatten two cities, I'd say
> that his concerns were quite well founded.
>
>>though elsewhere in the world at the time theoretical
>>research was underway that would lead to the atomic
>>bomb and nuclear energy. But after Einstein was
>>promoted as a god in 1919, he made no real attempts to
>>plagiarize any other work.
>
> And, while we're on the subject, he made no such attempts before
> then, either.
>
>>Rather, he began his real purpose - evangelizing for
>>the cause of Zionism and World Jewry.
>
> If his "real purpose" was "evangelizing for the cause of Zionism
> and World Jewry" (whatever the heck that is), how do you explain the
> fact that the human population at large views Einstein as a brilliant
> physicist?  Either he did a really lousy job at it, or that wasn't
> his "real purpose."
>
> Actually, try an experiment.  Go out into the street and ask the first
> 100 people you meet who Albert Einstein was.  Count the number of
> times
> you receive the answer "Albert Einstein was an evangelist for Zionism
> and World Jewry."  Then compare it to the number of times you get the
> answer "Albert Einstein was a physicist," or "Albert Einstein is
> the guy who came up with the theory of relativity," or something
> similar.
>
>>Though he did publish other articles after this time,
>>all of them were co-authored by at least one other
>>person,
>
> Try an experiment sometime: go through a peer-reviewed scientific
> journal (any peer-reviewed scientific journal), and count the number
> of
> articles which have only one author.  Such a thing, believe me, is
> extremely uncommon.
>
>>and in each instance, Einstein had little if anything
>>to do with the research that led to the articles; he
>>was merely recruited by the co-authors in order to
>>lend credence to their work. Thus freed of the
>>pretense of academia,
>
> Einstein was never truly freed from academia.  He would continue in
> his
> attempts to bridge the quantum universe with the relativistic universe
> until he died.
>
>>Einstein began his assault for World Zionism.
>
> Sieg Heil.
>
>>In 1921,
>
> The same year he won the Nobel Prize... one year before you say he
> did.
>
>>Einstein made his first visit to the United States on
>>a fund-raising tour for the Hebrew University in
>>Jerusalem and to promote Zionism. In April of 1922,
>
> The year you claim he won the Nobel Prize...  Let me know when Bohr
> calls you, asking in which direction you'd like him to roll over in
> his grave.
>
>>Einstein used his status to gain membership in a
>>Commission of the League of Nations. In February of
>>1923, Einstein visits Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. In June
>>of 1923, he becomes a founding member of the
>>Association of Friends of the New Russia. In 1926,
>>Einstein took a break from his Communist and Zionistic
>>activities to again embarrass himself scientifically
>>by criticizing the work of Schr=F6dinger and Heisenberg.
>
> And for a time (nearly 30 years) it looked as though he was right to
> do
> so.  He found what appeared to be a gigantic hole in quantum theory
> which the quantum theorists, try as they might, couldn't patch up.
>
>>Following a brief illness, he resumes his Zionistic
>>agenda, wanting an independent Israel and at the same
>>time a World Government.
>>
>>In the 1930s he actively campaigns against all forms
>>of war, although he would reverse this position during
>>World War II when he advocated war against Germany and
>>the creation of the atomic bomb, which he thought was
>>impossible to build.
>
> Actually, this is a completely false statement.
>
> Einstein never once said, nor even implied that the atom bomb was
> impossible to make.
>
> In fact, he wrote a letter to Roosevelt saying specifically that such
> a
> weapon could be built.
>
> I have quoted the first few paragraphs of his letter (dated August 2,
> 1939) below:
>
> Sir:
>
> Some recent work by E. Fermi and L. Szilard, which has been
> communicated to me in a manuscript, leads me to expect that the
> element
> uranium may be turned into a new and important source of energy in the
> immediate future.  Certain aspects of the situation which has arisen
> seem to call for watchfulness and, if necessary, quick action on the
> part of the Administration.  I believe therefore that it is my duty to
> bring to your attention the following facts and recommendations.
>
> In the course of the last four months it has been made probable -
> through the work of Joliot in France as well as Fermi and Szilard in
> America - that it may become possible to set up a nuclear chain
> reaction in a large mass of uranium, by which vast amounts of power
> and
> large quantities of new radium-like elements would be generated.  Now
> it appears almost certain that this could be achieved in the immediate
> future.
>
> This new phenomenon would also lead to the construction of bombs, and
> it is conceivable - though much less certain - that extremely
> powerful bombs of a new type, may thus be constructed. A single bomb
> of
> this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well
> destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding
> territory.
> However, such bombs might very well prove to be too heavy for
> transportation by air.
>
> [=2E..]
>
> Note that Einstein predicts, with somewhat eerie accuracy, what an
> atomic bomb is capable of.
>
> However, while he knew that such a weapon was possible, he didn't
> feel that one should be used.  His final letter to Roosevelt (which,
> sadly, did not arrive before Roosevelt's death) detailed his concern
> over the possible applications of this technology.
>
> The fact that something can be done doesn't necessarily mean that it
> should.
>
>>In 1939 and 1940, Einstein, at the request of other
>>Jews, wrote two letters to Roosevelt urging an
>>American program to develop an atomic bomb
>
> Actually, he wrote four letters to Roosevelt, but none of them were
> "urging the production of an atomic bomb."
>
> All of them concerned the applications of atomic energy.
>
> The first three (between August 1939, and May 1940) mentioned that
> Germany was pursuing research into Uranium as an energy source.  The
> fourth (drafted in 1945), voiced his concern over the separation
> between the physicists who developed the technology, and the people
> who
> would actually be using it.  The former wanted a new energy source.
> The latter wanted bombs.
>
>>to be used on Germany - not Japan.
>
> Not one single letter ever mentions the United States using a bomb on
> anybody.  His concern was the fact that Germany could be developing
> atomic technology when the United States wasn't.
>
> Never once did he advocate the actual use of such an atomic weapon. In
> fact he was very publicly vocal on his opposition of the use of such a
> weapon.
>
> All four letters Einstein wrote to Roosevelt can be found here:
> http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/einstein.shtml#first
>
> Readers will note the complete absence of the words "Bomb Germany
> back into the stone age."
>
>>Einstein would have no part in the actual construction
>>of the bomb, theoretical or practical,
>
> This is not entirely true.
>
> Vannevar Bush, the "man behind the scenes" of the atom bomb,
> approached Einstein in December 1941 to ask for his help with regards
> to separating fissionable material by gaseous diffusion.
>
> But for a large part, Einstein was kept out of it.
>
>>because he lacked the skills for either.
>
> And this is entirely false.
>
> Bush later specifically excluded Einstein from the construction of the
> atomic bomb.  Not because Einstein was incompetent, but because, in
> his
> words:
>
> "I am not at all sure... [Einstein] would not discuss it in a way
> that it should not be discussed."
>
> Einstein had openly said that he opposed the use of such a weapon,
> Bush
> likely feared that his statements about it would carry some weight if
> he knew more about how it was built.
>
> For example, if Einstein had known how Louis P. Slotin died during the
> construction of the first bomb at Los Alamos, he may well have been
> able to bolster the support necessary to halt construction of Fat Man
> and Little Boy.
>
>>In December of 1946, Einstein rekindles his efforts
>>for a World Government,
>
> To the best of my knowledge, nothing Einstein ever wrote has the words
> "World Government" in it.
>
> To date, I have never seen any evidence that he ever actually used the
> words "World Government," at least not in the context that you're
> attempting to create.
>
>>with Israel apparently being the only autonomous
>>nation. This push continues through the rest of the
>>1940s. In 1952, Einstein, who had been instrumental in
>>the creation of the State of Israel, both politically
>>and economically, is offered the presidency of Israel.
>>He declines.
>
> This would prove to be something of an embarrassment to Einstein.  It
> was difficult to decline the offer without giving offence.
>
> It also brings up another obvious question: Why would he turn down a
> position which would aid in his quest for a "World Government" if
> that was what he was seeking?
>
>>In 1953, he spends his time attacking the McCarthy
>>Committee,
>
> And rightly so: McCarthy was on a witch hunt, plain and simple.
>
>>and he supports Communists such as J. Robert
>>Oppenheimer.
>
> The fact of the matter is that no credible evidence has ever been
> produced that Oppenheimer was a communist.  His mistress was, but
> that's a completely different matter.
>
>>He encourages civil disobedience in response to the
>>McCarthy trials.
>
> And rightly so, for the same reasons stated above.  The House
> UnAmerican Activities Committee was, ironically, among the most
> un-American activities ever taken on American soil.  As Americans, it
> is not only our right, but our duty to raise our voices against those
> in power when we feel that power is being abused.
>
>>Finally, on April 18, 1955, this filthy Jewish
>>demagogue dies.
>
> Wow.  You actually got the date of his death correct.  I'm officially
> impressed.
>
> However, while his hair was often quite unkempt, I think it's
> something of an exaggeration to describe him as "filthy."
>
>>Dead, the Jews no longer had to worry about Einstein
>>making stupid statements.
>
> "Where the world ceases to be the scene of our personal hopes and
> wishes, where we face it as free beings, admiring, asking and
> observing, there we enter the realm of art and science."
> A. Einstein
>
> "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
> A. Einstein
>
> "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from
> mediocre minds."
> A. Einstein
>
> "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
> War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
> A. Einstein
>
> "The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of
> thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind.
> If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
> A. Einstein
>
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.  It is
> the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is
> a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe,
> is
> as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
> A. Einstein
>
>>His death was just the beginning of his usage and
>>exploitation by World Jewry. The Jewish-controlled
>>media continued to promote the myth of this Super-Jew
>>long after his death, and as more and more of the men
>>who knew better died off,
>
> Translation:  We have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anybody
> at
> all knew that Einstein was a fraud, but since they're dead, we can
> claim that they did without fear of contradiction.
>
>>the Jews were more and more able to aggrandize his
>>myth and lie more boldly. This brazen lying has
>>culminated in the Jew controlled Time magazine naming
>>Einstein "The Person of the Century" at the close of
>>1999. It may be demonstrated that the Jewish lies have
>>become more bold with the passage of time because
>>Einstein was never named "Man of the Year" while he
>>was alive, but now, over forty years after his death,
>>he is named "Person of the Century."
>
> and deservedly so.
>
>>Einstein was given this title in spite of the
>>clear-cut choice for the "Person of the Century,"
>>Adolf Hitler.
>
> Sieg Heil.
>
>>Hitler was indeed named "Man of the Year" while he was
>>still living by Time magazine,
>
> You realize that being "Man of the Year," doesn't necessarily make you
> a good person, right?
>
>>and according to a
>>December 27, 1999, article in the USA Today, Einstein
>>was chosen over Adolf Hitler because of the perceived
>>"nasty public relations fallout" that would accompany
>>that choice;
>
> Or maybe they wanted to start the century on a positive note.
>
>>yet in internet polling by Time, Hitler
>>finished third and was the top serious candidate.
>>Still the issue of Time magazine dedicated to
>>Einstein, which has articles by men with names like
>>Isaacson, Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt,
>>is interesting to read. For one, they found it
>>necessary to include an article rationalizing why they
>>did not pick the obvious choice, Adolf Hitler.
>
> Obvious, why?
>
>>But more interesting is the article by Stephen Hawking
>>which purports to be a history of the theory of
>>relativity. In it, Hawking admits many of the things
>>in this article, such as the fact that Hilbert
>>published the General Theory of Relativity before
>>Einstein and that FitzGerald and Lorentz deduced the
>>concept of relativity long before Einstein.
>
> Note, you don't actually quote Hawking here, largely because if you
> did, you'd find that you were misrepresenting (to be kind) his words.
>
> Instead, you lie about what Hawking says, and hope that nobody
> notices.
>
> To those of us who learned to read in kindergarten, Hawking's words
> actually support what I've presented in this refutation.
>
> You can find the actual article, entitled "A Brief History of
> Relativity" here:
> http://www.time.com/time/time100/poc/magazine/a_brief_history_of_rela6a.html
>
> Hawking's own words refute this bullshit much more effectively than I
> can.
>
> It is also worth mentioning that Hawking works with Einstein's theory
> of Relativity more closely than most people.  Never once in any of his
> publications, speeches, or lectures, has Hawking ever claimed the
> Einstein was a plagiarist.
>
>>Hawking also writes,
>>
>>"Einstein...was deeply disturbed by the work of Werner
>>Heisenberg in Copenhagen, Paul Dirac in Cambridge and
>>Erwin Schr=F6dinger in Zurich, who developed a new
>>picture of reality called quantum mechanics. ...
>>Einstein was horrified by this ... Most scientists,
>>however, accepted the validity of the new quantum laws
>>because they showed excellent agreement with
>>observations ... They are the basis of modern
>>developments in chemistry, molecular biology and
>>electronics and the foundation of the technology that
>>has transformed the world in the past half-century."
>
> And when you actually do quote Hawking, you've sliced 'n' diced
> what he actually wrote, removing the most relevant details:
>
> 
>
> Einstein continued to work on the quantum idea into the 1920s but was
> deeply disturbed by the work of Werner Heisenberg in Copenhagen, Paul
> Dirac in Cambridge and Erwin Schrodinger in Zurich, who developed a
> new
> picture of reality called quantum mechanics. No longer did tiny
> particles have a definite position and speed. On the contrary, the
> more
> accurately you determined the particle's position, the less
> accurately you could determine its speed, and vice versa.
>
> Einstein was horrified by this random, unpredictable element in the
> basic laws and never fully accepted quantum mechanics. His feelings
> were expressed in his famous God-does-not-play-dice dictum. Most other
> scientists, however, accepted the validity of the new quantum laws
> because they showed excellent agreement with observations and because
> they seemed to explain a whole range of previously unaccounted-for
> phenomena. They are the basis of modern developments in chemistry,
> molecular biology and electronics and the foundation of the technology
> that has transformed the world in the past half-century.
>
> 
>
> To your credit, you did mark the points you sliced and diced from the
> passage above.  However it is quite clear that you selected the words
> you actually quoted very carefully to give the impression that
> Einstein
> was a dolt, and to suggest that Hawking supports this position.  In
> other words, while the words themselves may be Hawking's, you have
> radically changed their meaning by selectively removing that which is
> important in the passage.
>
> What Einstein opposed wasn't Quantum Mechanics as such, but the
> element of randomness incorporated in it.  He didn't like the idea
> that the properties of a particle cannot be determined exactly.  And,
> for a time (nearly 30 years, in fact), it looked as though he was able
> to completely reject this principle on theoretical grounds.
>
> More on that later.
>
>>This is all very true,
>
> .=2E.If you exclude all the false parts...  but if you did that, you
> wouldn't have much left of your essay.
>
>>yet the same magazine credits Einstein with all of the
>>modern developments that Hawking names,
>
> And even Hawking himself credits Einstein with all of the modern
> developments that Hawking names; your griping notwithstanding.
>
> Why, exactly, do you think that is?
>
>>even through Einstein was so stupid
>
> The day you can come up with something as ground-breaking as
> relativity
> is the day you can describe Einstein as "stupid."
>
>>as to be vehemently against the most important idea of
>>modern science,
>
> Again, he didn't oppose Quantum Mechanics, he felt that there was
> something fundamental to it that Heisenberg and Schr=F6dinger were
> missing.
>
> More on that later.
>
> Furthermore, it's somewhat arguable that Quantum Mechanics is "the
> most important idea of modern science."
>
>>just as he opposed Schr=F6dinger's work in unified field
>>theory which was far ahead of its time.
>
> Um, scientists are still trying to develop a Unified Field Theory.
>
>>The same magazine admits that "success eluded"
>>Einstein in the field of explaining the contradictions
>>between relativity and quantum mechanics.
>
> Considering that in the 50 years since his death, we're still not
> that much closer to explaining the contradictions between relativity
> and quantum mechanics, that's hardly a basis to conclude he's
> incompetent.
>
> The first attempt was made to make QM consistent with relativity by
> Dirac.  Quantum Field theory works quite nicely at the subatomic
> level.
> However, when you try to apply it to Solar System-sized systems, it
> falls apart.  The Graviton is represented by a divergent series, which
> is bad.
>
>>Today, these contradictions are explained by the
>>unified field theory,
>
> How can something which does not yet exist explain anything?  What you
> probably mean is Quantum Field Theory, which doesn't yet explain the
> contradictions between relativity and quantum mechanics.  There are
> also a number of physicists who think they're on to something with
> string theory, but it'll be a while before it's really stapled
> down.
>
> Moreover, care to guess who it was that discovered that Quantum
> Mechanics and Relativity are inconsistent with each other?
>
> I'll give you a hint: his last name begins with an "E-" and ends
> with "-instein."
>
>>but Einstein, who proves himself to be one of the
>>least intelligent of 20th century scientists, refused
>>to believe in either quantum theory
>
> Einstein is famous for his statement: "God Does not play dice."
>
> Basically, Einstein's opposition wasn't of Quantum Mechanics per se
> (actually, he was a strong advocate of it), but the orthodox view of
> quantum mechanics.  He felt that Quantum mechanics, such that it was,
> was "correct," but that there was a lot more to the story.
>
> Let me explain that.
>
> Suppose, in a time-independent system (and before you ask: yes, there
> are such systems that exist in Quantum Mechanics), we measure the
> position of a particle, and we find that it is at position b.
>
> The positions on Quantum Mechanics can be neatly summarized by one
> question: where was the particle just before you measured it?  There
> are, in essence, three different viewpoints.
>
> 1) The particle really wasn't anywhere.  By making the measurement,
> we forced the particle to "take a stand" (why and how it settled on
> position b, we dare not ask).  It's also worth mentioning that if this
> is the "correct" position, then there's something fundamental about
> the
> act of measuring that we still don't fully understand.  Therefore, the
> best we can do is determine what the probability distribution of the
> particle's position is.  Basically, playing dice.  This is known as
> the orthodox viewpoint (the one advocated by Schrodinger and
> Heisenberg).  It is also worth noting that if this is correct, then
> there is something very fundamental about the very act of measuring
> which many years of science have done little to illuminate.
>
> 2) The particle was at position b, we just didn't know it.  This is
> the position that Einstein advocated.  It should be mentioned that if
> this is correct, then Quantum Mechanics is incomplete, because the
> particle really was at b, but QM was unable to tell us so.  So,
> corrections are necessary to QM before it is a complete theory.  This
> is what Einstein called "the hidden variable."
>
> 3) The agnostic viewpoint.  Basically: "Who cares?" It is
> completely senseless to worry about what the particle was doing before
> you measured it when the only way you can determine whether you were
> right is by measuring it.  It's just as sensible to ponder the number
> of angels which can dance on the head of a pin.
>
> For a long time, the most common procedure among Quantum-Theorists was
> to adopt position #1, then when that started faltering, switch to
> position #3, then change the subject.
>
> What led Einstein to adopt his position on Quantum Mechanics was a
> thought experiment which found what appeared for almost 30 years to be
> a gigantic hole in QM.  It's called the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen, or
> EPR paradox.
>
> The argument goes something like this:
>
> 1=2E all particles have a property called "spin."
> 2=2E electrons can "spin up" or "spin down."
> 3=2E in Quantum Mechnics, it is always possible to couple two
> electrons
> together so that one spins up and one spins down, but until you
> actually measure the spin of one of the particles you do not know
> which
> is which.
> 4=2E according to Quantum Mechanics, as long as these two electrons
> are
> isolated from all other particles in the universe, the distance
> between
> them does not matter (it can be two feet, to yards, or two light
> years,
> and it would not change the Quantum Mechanical properties of the
> coupling).
> 5=2E according to Quantum Mechanics, as long as we have not measured
> the
> spin of a electron after they are coupled, then neither particle has
> "selected" a spin direction.
> 6=2E suppose we now measure the spin of electron #1, and we find it to
> spin up.
> 7=2E I reiterate: by the orthodox viewpoint of QM, the electron wasn't
> spinning up or down before now, it was spinning up *and* down with
> equal probabilities.  It wasn't until you measured it that you made
> the electron spin up.
> 8=2E by the orthodox viewpoint of Quantum Mechanics, electron #2
> (which
> may be light years from electron #1, as long as the two electrons
> remain isolated from all particles in the universe) must now spin
> down.
> 9=2E by the orthodox viewpoint of Quantum Mechanics, if there is any
> time
> lag between the measurement of the spin of electron #1, and electron
> #2
> spinning down, conservation of angular momentum is violated.
> 10. Therefore, somehow information was passed from electron #1 to
> electron #2 faster than the speed of light (electron #1 had to
> "tell" electron #2 to start spinning down).
> 11. This is a direct violation of relativity.
> 12. Therefore, he concluded, the orthodox position cannot be correct,
> because it is inconsistent with relativity.  Electron #2 must have
> already been spinning down, but we simply did know enough about the
> system to determine that it was spinning down.  He called this unknown
> information "the hidden variable."
>
> (NB: this argument works with any property of two coupled particles,
> but I've used spin here because it's the simplest to follow.)
>
> The EPR paradox was studiously ignored by quantum physicists
> everywhere, largely because nobody could figure out how to put it to
> rest.
>
> It wasn't until 1964 that Bell dealt the EPR paradox what is
> considered a death blow, by developing formalisms which can be
> experimentally verified.  In the past 30-or-so years, we've been
> slowly gathering evidence.  It's still somewhat hazy as to whether
> Einstein was right or not.
>
> It is worth mentioning that if Einstein was correct, then all of
> Quantum Mechanics (and that which flows from it) will have to be
> abandoned.  Bell also established that if Einstein was correct, and
> the
> EPR paradox is truly paradoxical, then QM is not only incomplete,
> it's downright wrong.  No combination of variables will ever render
> QM into a complete theory.  So, if Einstein was correct, we're going
> to see a lot of physicists jumping out of windows and trying to slit
> their wrists with butter knives.
>
>>or the unified field theory.
>
> Of course Einstein didn't believe in unified field theory... It
> doesn't exist yet.
>
>>To name Einstein as "The Person of the Century" is one
>>of the most ludicrous and absurd lies of all time,
>
> He was named as "The Person of the Century."  Just ask Time
> Magazine.
>
>>yet it has been successfully pulled off by Isaacson,
>>Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt and the
>>Jewish owners of Time magazine.
>
> Sieg Heil
>
>>If the Jews at Time wanted to give the title to an
>>inventor or scientist, then the most obvious choice
>>would have been men like Hilbert, Planck, or
>>Heisenberg. If they wanted to give it to the scientist
>>who most fundamentally changed the landscape of 20th
>>century science, then the obvious choice would be
>>William Shockley. This Nobel Prize winning scientist
>>invented the transistor, which is the basis of all
>>modern electronic devices and computers, everything
>>from modern cars and telephones, VCRs and watches, to
>>the amazing computers which have allowed
>>incomprehensible advances in all fields of science.
>
> Which they felt (and rightly so, in my humble opinion) was secondary
> to
> the best blueprint we have so far of the universe.
>
>>Without the transistor, all forms of science today
>>would be basically in the same place that they were in
>>the late 1940s.
>
> Rhetoric.
>
>>However, the Jews cannot allow the due credit to go to
>>William Shockley because he spent the majority of his
>>scientific career demonstrating the genetic and mental
>>inferiority of non-whites and arguing for their
>>sterilization.
>
> Sieg Heil
>
>>His scientific, genetic views led the Jews to
>>financially destroy Shockley who founded the first
>>company in the Silicon Valley, his hometown, to
>>develop computer chips.  The Jews hired away his
>>entire staff and used them to start Fairchild
>>semiconductor, the company that today is known as
>>Intel.
>
> What the hell does this have to do with Einstein?
>
>>No the Jews could not let any of the truly great
>>geniuses of our time be recognized,
>
> They *did* recognize one of the truly great geniuses of our time: his
> name was Einstein.
>
>>not the anti-Semite Henry Ford, not the great German
>>scientists who helped the National Socialists in
>>Germany,
>
> Such as?
>
>>not Charles Lindbergh, who was sympathetic to
>>National Socialist causes, and certainly not William
>>Shockley, one of  the most brilliant physicists and
>>geneticists of our time.  Instead, the Jews propped up
>>the Zionist, Communist Albert Einstein
>
> Einstein was not a communist.  He supported one's right to be a
> communist.  There's a difference.
>
>>who hated everything white.
>
> Um, Einstein *was* white.  Are you trying to claim that he was full of
> self-loathing?
>
>>After World War II, Einstein demonstrated his hatred
>>of the White Race and of the Germans in particular in
>>the following statements. He was asked what he thought
>>about Germany and about re-educating the Germans after
>>the war and said,
>>
>>"The nation has been on the decline mentally and
>>morally since 1870...Behind the Nazi party stands the
>>German people, who elected Hitler after he had in his
>>book and in his speeches made his shameful intentions
>>clear beyond the possibility of misunderstanding. ...
>>The Germans can be killed or constrained after the
>>war, but they cannot be re-educated to a democratic
>>way of thinking and acting..."
>>
>>Einstein here is advocating the murder of Germans,
>
> I have only been able to find the first sentence in your quote above,
> in an interview Einstein gave in 1935.  The only source I have been
> able to find which includes the part about Germans being killed or
> constrained after the war, or for that matter, anything after your
> first "..." above, is in other copies of this document.
>
> In fact, I've found absolutely nothing that is independently
> verifiable that Einstein, in fact, said the latter two thirds of this
> quote.
>
> If you provide me with a link to the complete quote, without your
> selective clippings, as you've already demonstrated that you're
> both capable and willing to clip quotes in such a manner as to
> radically change the context, then I can respond to it.
>
>>because he feels that this is the only way that they
>>can be kept in check. He is right about one thing, the
>>Germans did knowingly support the cause of National
>>Socialism, but what Einstein is attacking is
>>Christianity, because it was Christianity that led the
>>German people to overwhelmingly support National
>>Socialism.
>
> Nope.  Even if Einstein said what you say he said (which I have found
> absolutely no corroborating evidence of), Christianity is never
> mentioned in your quotation.  He specifically condemns Nazism.
>
>>It was the German Christian Faith Movement and the
>>Christian Social Party of men like Karl Lueger that
>>led the German people to their understanding of  Jews.
>>The Jew Daniel Goldhagen has recently shown the
>>Christian basis of National Socialism in his book,
>>Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and
>>the Holocaust, and the book Why The Jews? by Prager
>>and Telushkin similarly proves the Christian origins
>>of what the Jews call 'anti-Semitism.' Einstein
>>understood this and Einstein, like all Jews, hated
>>Christians
>
> Please provide evidence that all Jews hate Christians.  You must
> conclusively establish that not one Jew exists who does not harbor
> hatred for Christianity.
>
>>So what Einstein was really advocating was the killing
>>and constraining of all true Christians, not just
>>German Christians.
>
> Out of curiosity, exactly how do you type when both hands are busy
> stuffing words in Einstein's mouth?
>
> Ignoring, for the moment, that I have been unable to find any
> corroborating evidence that he ever said anything like what you quote
> him as saying above (and considering how vocal he was as a pacifist, I
> find it unlikely that he did), you've taken what you claim he said,
> and somehow came to the conclusion that he said something completely
> different from what you quote him as saying.
>
>>This is the true purpose and intent of Zionism and the
>>demagogue Einstein was merely a tool of World Zionism
>>and Jewry towards this end.
>>
>>Zionistic Jews understand that true, primitive
>>Christianity is the mortal enemy of mongrel Judaism.
>>This is why the Jews, like Einstein, hated Nazi
>>Germany so much,
>
> Frankly, I find it more likely that the Jews hated Nazi Germany
> because
> the regime had made it its mission to exterminate them.  But I'm just
> guessing.
>
>>for National Socialist Germany advocated primitive,
>>positive Christianity in the 24th point of its Party
>>Platform.
>
> And more rhetoric.
>
> In short, the author of this piece had no understanding of the way
> science works.  By his logic, no biologist has ever written an
> unplagiarized paper because they involve cells, a theory they did not
> advance.  No mathematician has ever published an unplagiarized paper,
> because the basic building blocks; addition, subtraction,
> multiplication and division; have been available for centuries.  No
> physicist since Newton has ever written a paper on Mechanics...
>
> In fact, if you follow this through to conclusion, there has never
> been
> any original discovery in science, because the very methodology, the
> scientific method, was established in ancient Greece.  Exactly who
> came
> up with it is somewhat open to debate, but if the author's right,
> we're all plagiarizing him or her.
>
> Science, by its very nature is built upon the accomplishments of
> others.  The average human lifetime being as short as it is, we'd
> never get anywhere if it wasn't.  Einstein was no different.  His
> theories were based upon the discoveries being made at the time, but
> that does not invalidate them, on the contrary, it strengthens them,
> for they were the first to truly explain the incomprehensible results
> with a single, central insight.
>
> --Drew
>
>
> -- 
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
>
> Visit the Holocaust History Project
> http://www.holocaust-history.org 



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"Ken McVay"  wrote in message 
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> Archive/File: places/poland/ab.aktion
> Last-Modified: 1993/10/24
>
> AB AKTION (Ausserordentliche Befriedungsaktion; Extraordinary
> Pacification Action). Code name for the liquidation of Polish
> intellectuals and leaders after the German invasion of Poland in 1939.
> The task was entrusted to Hans Frank as Governor-General and to his
> deputy, Artur Seyss-Inquart (qq.v). More than 2,000 Polish men and
> women were apprehended from September 1939 to June 1940 and summarily
> executed. A ruthless killer, Frank kept thorough records of his work
> in a forty-two-volume journal. Many Jews were among his victims.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Encyclopedia of the Third Reich, by Dr. Louis L. Snyder, Professor of
> History, The City College and The City University of New York. Paragon
> House, New York, 1989. ISBN 1-55778-144-3
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
>      http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit


Hans Frank's son Niklas wrote couple of books about his father. I mean the 
kid spent his childhood with his father in Krakow at the times when his 
father was surrounded by his fellow coworkers who used violent means to get 
control of Poland.  I would recommend that anyone interested in Holocaust 
read them. Perhaps Mr. McVay could ask Sara to read it for him so then he 
could post more quotes from the books with the name "Jew" in them.  If get 
your hands on e-book of PDF file you could probably just search for the word 
"Jew" and then copy and pasted whole paragraphs into NIZKOR.  Sara you can 
start by searching for Niklas Frank on Google 
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=80P&q=niklas+frank&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wp 



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 wrote in message 
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>
>
>
>
>
> Denying Israel's Right to Exist and Anticipating its Destruction
> Written and Compiled by Itamar Marcus
> (Except where indicated)
> Palestinian Media Watch research has long demonstrated a clear and
> unified world-view within the Palestinian leadership, in its speeches
> to the nation, in educational programs, and through school textbooks
> published by the Palestinian Authority.
>
 
>
> This is why the Palestinians are celebrating
>

This has nothing to do with Jewish Holocaust or History of Jews in Poland or 
even Europe.  I compare Palestinians in Israel to Puerto Ricans in United 
States except that the level of violence in Israel is much higher and more 
violent.  Unless you want to have a dialog for the Palestinian Holocaust, 
this post should be in soc.culture.palestinian and soc.culture.israel.
You are not too bright, are you buddy. 



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"LIBERATOR"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.ganges.com/Did_Adolf_hitler_really_kill_himself_v1040330/
>
> Amazing video proves Hitler didn't die.
>
> Hitler didn't die, so where did he go?
>
> Spain or Argentina?
>
> And why didn't that dummy take the advanced airplane drawings with him
> so the allies couldn't get them?
>

That sounds like fantasy.  But it was the soviet red army that surrounded 
the building and supposedly found Hitler's body, and you can never believe 
Soviet Union, so who knows. Many Nazi leadership indeed left for South 
America. That is another whole subject on how and why  Nazis were allowed to 
leave for South America. 



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"snow"  wrote in message 
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> Most Americans don't study history of Poland, American education system 
> barely touches on History of Europe until one chooses to take such class 
> in college and even there the focus is more on American influence on 
> Europe than on relationship of European countries on each other.
> Perhaps that's one of the reasons why Holocaust in United States is so 
> bloated and over-marketed.
>
> A great start to learn about Jewish-Polish relationship would be by 
> reading Mike Rosenzweig's website http://members.core.com/~mikerose/

German view on the WW2.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html
The article reeks of antipolonism and mostly discusses Polish sentiments 
towards germany, but it is very different from most historic documents and 
shines some light on moments history forgot. 



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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fcs1bo$lvd$1@pcls6.std.com...
> In article ,
> Benjamin Cramer  wrote:
>
>   (snip)
>
>   In a memo written on September 8 1942,  Kurt Prufer of the
> firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
> satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
> and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible":
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
>
>   Why wasn't a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day
> enough for one camp?
>
>
>   The work assignment reports from the summer and autumn
> of 1944 list up to 900 workers manning the camp's crematoriums
> in full day and night shifts:
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/labor-force/19440728/
>
>   Why were 900 workers required to dispose of corpses in
> one camp?
>
>
> RJ.

Ever heard of the word EPIDEMIC as with DISEASE EPIDEMIC.
Ever heard of TYPHUS as with EPIDEMIC TYPHUS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus

Quote from wiki as of 9/19/07 shows that typhus epidemics killed inmates in 
concentration camps, there are even infamous pictures that RJ11 posted on 
this message board

"During World War II typhus struck the German army as it invaded Russia in 
1941.[5] In 1942 and 1943 typhus hit French North Africa, Egypt and Iran 
particularly hard.[12] Typhus epidemics killed inmates in the Nazi Germany 
concentration camps, infamous pictures of typhus victims' mass graves could 
be seen in footage shot at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.[5] Thousands of 
prisoners held in appalling conditions in Nazi concentration camps such 
Theresienstadt and Bergen-Belsen also died of typhus during World War II[5], 
including Anne Frank and her sister Margot. "

 



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"RJ11"  wrote in message news:fcruvg$85m$1@pcls4.std.com...
> In article <480Ii.9092$z_5.2127@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> snow  wrote:
>
>>>   Mass graves found at Nazi camp
>>> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
>>> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>>>
>>>   The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
>>> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
>>> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>   A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
>>> conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists,  headed by
>>> Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland,  who is the
>>> author of more than 130 papers on archaeology.  The team studied the 
>>> site
>>> of the death camp,  drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
>>> samples.  The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
>>> "BELZEC.  THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
>>> Excavations 1997-1999".  ISBN 83-905590-6-4).  The study has recovered
>>> human remains over a very large area,  to a depth of up to six meters.
>>> The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
>
>>  The mass graves could as well be of Poles killed
>> by NKVD or Nazis
>
>   If you have evidence of (non-Jewish) Poles being killed in huge
> numbers in these locations,  burned,  and the ashes being buried 20
> feet deep,  do post it.
>
> RJ.

 A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists,  headed by
Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland,  who is the
author of more than 130 papers on archaeology.  The team studied the site
of the death camp,  drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
samples.  The results are summarized in an 84 page report  ISBN 
83-905590-6-4).  The study has recovered
human remains over a very large area,  to a depth of up to six meters.
The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters. 



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"Kenneth McVay OBC"  wrote in message 
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> Archive/File: holocaust/poland zwodau.02
> Last-modified: 1993/03/27
>
> "We left the gate. The tought of freedom crossed my mind, but there was no
> time to make an escape. We were told to move faster, faster. Running in 
> the
> dark, in the cold, in the quiet of the night. Where are we going? The
> question crossed my mind. We were inside a wall. A cemetery wall. We were
> standing around a big hole. That is what the cemetery commando had been
> digging all day. We knew now.
>
> A mass grave for whom? For us? Twenty Jewish girls from fourteen to
> twenty-four. Enemies of the German Reich who will be shot to death on this
> day of 18 April 1945, and buried in this unknown cemetery where no one 
> will
> ever be able to find them. But why, why now, when the Americans were only 
> a
> few miles away. Tears were rolling down our cheeks, and Janka broke into
> spasmodic sobs. `Mother, Mother, please help me.'
>
> `I shall never see my parents again,' another girl cried.
>
> Tola begged: `Girls, girls, let's die with honor; let's not show them we
> are weak.'
>
> `Die with honor,' Pola returned. `For what? What have we done to anybody?
> Why? Why?' she cried. But Anna could only moan in a low voice `I'll never
> eat a hot potato again.' Poor Anna, how hungry she must have been. I'll
> never forget her last wish before she was to be shot. (To this day,
> whenever I cook potatos, I dig into the pot for the one hot potato that 
> she
> dreamed of on that cold, dark night in April.)
>
> `Why don't they get it over with? What are they waiting for?' another girl
> cried. It seemed for a moment that everything was in utter confusion, even
> the guards seemed behildered. They whispered among themselves as we stood
> there around the grave, surrounded by their guns. All the while, far in 
> the
> distance we could hear the beautiful sounds of the American artillery.
>
> I looked at my sisters and couldn't say anything. Could it be that only
> three days ago, on my birthday, our hopes had been so high, and freedom so
> near? What could we do now? Twenty young girls between the grave and the
> guns? If they would only get it over with. Oh, Lord, please help me. Let
> the first shot kill me instantly. I couldn't stand to see my sisters being
> shot. I couldn't. Let it be me first. Will I have to jump into the hole
> while they shoot? Or ---- A tremendous roar came from nearby. For a moment
> it felt as though the ground was shaking beneath us. One girl cried:
>
> `The Americans are coming!'
>
> `Shma Israel,' cried another.
>
> `Don't you hear? The Americans are coming!' Gienia yelled to the guard. He
> hit her over the head with his gun and she lay sprawled on the ground,
> looking blankly around.
>
> `If you shoot us, they will shoot you,' I uttered to the SS woman next to
> me. And Mania quickly added: `If you save us, we shall tell the Americans
> and they will save you too.'
>
> The guards started talking to each other.
>
> `If they don't want to shoot you,' one SS woman pointed to the guards,
> `then I shall shoot all of you with this machine gun.'
>
> She was only a young girl. Her belly was big; she was expecting a baby. 
> For
> the Fuehrer no doubt. The Fuehrer said to have babies; she had babies. The
> Fuehrer said, shoot the Jews; she was going to shoot the Jews. How 
> poisoned
> was this poor soul.
>
> How could she give birth to a new life after she had killed twenty 
> innocent
> young girls? It seemed like an eternity standing there waiting to be
> killed.
>
> Suddenly, with quick movements, they told us to go back to camp. They
> chased us and we ran. We ran as fast as our feet would carry us. The gate
> opened in the middle of that dark, cold night on 18 April 1945, we 
> returned
> from our grave into the camp of Zwodau."
>
> Excerpted from----------------------------------------------------------
> "The Survivor in Us All - A Memoir of the Holocaust," Erna F. Rubinstein
> (Hamden, Connecticut: Archon Books, 1983) ISBN 0-208-02025-X
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project  -   An electronic Holocaust educational resource
>    David Irving vrs. Deborah Lipstadt & Penguin Books Ltd: Judgment
> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
>      http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/libel.suit

This is not a biography, this is a fiction novel.  Erna Rubinstein is known 
for writing melodramatic fiction stories. Even if the girls were to be shot 
I really doubt German Special Unit soldiers were so close to the The Allies 
front line.  Front line would be swarming with soldiers either running away 
for preparing for defense. And if you assume that would happen then I really 
doubt the action happened with The Allies right around the corner, if 
anything it would make SS guards do their job more swiftly. Nevertheless 
Erna's novel are breathtaking and engaging. 



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"Chris C. Larson"  wrote in message 
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> OK, here's a tough one:
>
> Name 1 (not 900, 6 or 2- JUST 1), denier, anti-semitic, white-
> nationalist type who is NOT a  proven bald faced liar.
>

would be way easier to name 1 just based on denier and anti-Semitic status 
because with white-nationalist type, we might offend people who are not 
Caucasian. This newsgroup is not only in USA and Europe but also worldwide. 
Shalom 



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"Benjamin Cramer"  wrote in message 
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> By Martin H. Glynn
> (Former Governor of the State of N.Y.)
>
> The American Hebrew
> October 31, 1919
> Pages 582 & 601
>
>
> From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and 
> eight
> hundred thousand little children cry for bread.
>
> These children, these men and women are our fellow-members of the human
> family, with the same claim on life as we, the same susceptibility to the
> winter's cold, the same propensity to death before the fangs of hunger.
> Within them reside the illimitable possibilities for the advancement of 
> the
> human race as naturally would reside in six million human beings. We may 
> not
> be their keepers but we ought to be their helpers.
>
> In the face of death, in the throes of starvation there is no place for
> mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical differentiations of
> race. In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled
> toward the grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic
> promptings of human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.
>
> Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessaries of life;
> eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them
> through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God
> or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish
> blood.
>
> In this threatened holocaust of human life, forgotten are the niceties of
> philosophical distinction, forgotten are the differences of historical
> interpretation; and the determination to help the helpless, to shelter the
> homeless, to clothe the naked and to feed the hungry becomes a religion at
> whose altar men of every race can worship and women of every creed can
> kneel. In this calamity the temporalities of man's fashionings fall away
> before the eternal verities of life, and we awaken to the fact that from 
> the
> hands of one God we all come and before the tribunal of one God we all 
> must
> stand on the day of final reckoning. And when that reckoning comes mere
> profession of lips will not weigh a pennyweight; but deeds, mere 
> intangible
> deeds, deeds that dry the tear of sorrow and allay the pain of anguish,
> deeds that with the spirit of the Good Samaritan pour oil and wine in 
> wounds
> and find sustenance and shelter for the suffering and the stricken, will
> outweigh all the stars in the heavens, all the waters in the seas, all the
> rocks and metals in all the celestian globes that revolve in the firmament
> around us.
>
> Race is a matter of accident; creed, partly a matter of inheritance, 
> partly
> a matter of environment, partly one's method of ratiocination; but our
> physical wants and corporeal needs are implanted in all of us by the hand 
> of
> God, and the man or woman who can, and will not, hear the cry of the
> starving; who can, and will not, take heed of the wail of the dying; who
> can, and will not, stretch forth a helping hand to those who sink beneath
> the waves of adversity is an assassin of nature's finest instincts, a
> traitor to the cause of the human family and an abjurer of the natural law
> written upon the tablets of every human heart by the finger of God 
> himself.
>
> And so in the spirit that turned the poor widow's votive offering of 
> copper
> into silver, and the silver into gold when placed upon God's altar, the
> people of this country are called upon to sanctify their money by giving
> $35,000,000 in the name of the humanity of Moses to six million famished 
> men
> and women.
>
> Six million men and women are dying -- eight hundred thousand little
> children are crying for bread.
>
> And why?
>
> Because of a war to lay Autocracy in the dust and give Democracy the 
> sceptre
> of the Just.
>
> And in that war for democracy 200,000 Jewish lads from the United States
> fought beneath the Stars and Stripes. In the 77th Division alone there 
> were
> 14,000 of them, and in Argonne Forest this division captured 54 German 
> guns.
> This shows that at Argonne the Jewish boys from the United States fought 
> for
> democracy as Joshua fought against the Amalekites on the plains of 
> Abraham.
> In an address on the so-called "Lost Battalion," led by Colonel Whittlesey
> of Pittsfield, Major-General Alexander shows the fighting stuff these 
> Jewish
> boys were made of. In some way or another Whittlesey's command was
> surrounded. They were short of rations. They tried to get word back to the
> rear telling of their plight. They tried and they tried, but their men 
> never
> got through. Paralysis and stupefaction and despair were in the air. And
> when the hour was darkest and all seemed lost, a soldier lad stepped
> forward, and said to Col. Whittlesey: "I will try to get through." He 
> tried,
> he was wounded, he had to creep and crawl, but he got through. To-day he
> wears the Distinguished Service Cross and his name is
>
> ABRAHAM KROTOSHINSKY.
> Because of this war for Democracy six million Jewish men and women are
> starving across the seas; eight hundred thousand Jewish babies are crying
> for bread.
>
> (Continued from page 582)
>
> In the name of Abraham Krotoshinsky who saved the "Lost Battalion," in the
> name of the one hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred and
> ninety-nine other Jewish boys who fought for Democracy beneath the Stars 
> and
> Stripes won't you give copper, or silver, or gold, to keep life in the 
> heart
> of these men and these women; to keep blood in the bodies of these babies?
>
> The Jew Has Helped Everybody But The Jew.
> In the world war the Jew has helped everybody but the Jew. "Over there" he
> helped in camp, in council and in conflict. "Over here" he helped the Red
> Cross, the Y.M.C.A., the Knights of Columbus, the Masons, the Salvation 
> Army
> and everybody else. So now is the time for everybody to help the Jew, and
> God knows now is the time he needs it.
>
> From out of the gloom of this war every other race, save one or two, has
> snatched a ray of sunshine. But amid the encircling gloom there is no 
> light
> for the Jew "to lead thou me on." The war is over for everyone, but the 
> Jew.
> The knife is still at his throat and an unreasoning and unreasonable
> century-old lust for Jewish blood opens his veins. The Jew in Roumania,
> Poland and Ukrainia is being made the scapegoat of the war. Since the
> armistice has been signed thousands of Jews in Ukrainia has been offered 
> up
> as living sacrifices to diabolical greed and fanatical passion -- their
> throats cut, their bodies rended limb from limb by assassin bands and 
> rabid
> soldiery. In the city of Proskunoff one day a few weeks ago the dawn saw 
> the
> door of every house wherein lived a Jew marked as a shambles for 
> slaughter.
> For four days, from sunrise to sunset, fanatics plied the dagger like 
> demons
> from hell, stopping only to teat with hands adrip with the blood of Jewish
> victims. They killed the men; they were less merciful to women. These they
> violated, and then they killed. From a purpose to a fury, from a fury to a
> habit ran this killing of the Jews, until within four days the streets of
> Proskunoff ran red with blood like gutters of a slaughter house, until its
> homes became a morgue for thousands of slaughtered human beings whose 
> gaping
> wounds cried out for vengeance and whose eyes had turned to stone at the
> horrors they had seen. As Hon. Simon W. Rosendale, aptly paraphrasing 
> Bobby
> Burns' thought, in his speech not long ago, said it is the age-old story 
> of
> "man's inhumanity to man that makes countless thousands mourn." For as it
> has been at Proskunoff, so has it been in a hundred other places. The 
> bloody
> tale hath repetition ad nauseum. It is the same tear-stained story -- the
> same old stain upon the escutcheon of humanity. Verily, Byron was right 
> when
> he wrote:
>
>  Tribes of the wandering feet and weary breast
>  Whither shall ye flee to be at rest?
>  The wild dove hath her nest, the fox his cave,
>  Mankind their countries, Israel but the grave.
>
> But Israel is entitled to a place in the sun, and the crucifixion of Jews
> must stop. We repeat the war is over for everybody, but the Jew. Like 
> Isaac
> the knife is at his throat, but unlike Isaac no power seems able to stop 
> the
> steel from thirsting for his blood. But some power the world must raise up
> to prevent this decimation of a deserving race. For the peace of the world 
> a
> League of Nations let us have by all means; but for the Humanity of the
> World, to give justice to the Jew and other oppressed peoples on earth, 
> let
> us have a Truce of God! -- Albany Times Union.
>

Great marketing idea starts early. The idea of 6 million came to Europe from 
United States.  Soviets tried giving a number but because of their own 
atrocities, failed. The factual numbers that can be accounted for are way 
lower. Remember the so called extermination took place last year of the war. 
First few years Jewish community was limited to living in ghettos. 




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