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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 30 Nov 1996 09:32:31 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>  For those interested in the verifying the facts of the Freeman Case,
>>  please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is
>>  the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  If he
>>  is not there, leave a message with Sue, his secretary (a very nice
>>  lady) or perhaps you can speak briefly on the matter with Mr. Pete
>>  Richards, the Assistant District Attorney (Mr. Steinberg being of
>>  course the far more informative one on the matter).  Mr. Steinberg
>>  will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members,
>>  but the Freeman brothers were not members of ANY known organization
>>  (although they had brief contact with Mark Thomas, a follower of
>>  Christian Identity).  Mr. Steinberg will also verify that all the
>>  information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact,
>>  the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members.
>
>	While you are there ask about the Motion in Limine filed by the Freeman 
>brothers in which they stated that they were members of the NA.  Perhaps "Stele" will 
>also tell us about the NA material found in their house and the connection of Mark 
>Thomas with the NA.

You repeatedly claimed the Freeman Brothers were  NA members.  You are
a liar as usual Yale.
  
>>  Also, one is in luck.  There is a book just released (1996) about the
>>  Freeman Brothers case called _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen, which I
>>  just read (available at Borders).  Nowhere does the book mention The
>>  National Alliance, and in fact indicates that the Freeman Brothers
>>  were unaffiliated skinheads, who attended a few skinhead concerts and
>>  possessed a bit of movement reading material (none of which were NA)
>>  but otherwise had no were not part of any formal organization.
>>  Although the book is sensationally written, had the Freeman Brothers
>>  been NA member it would have been only sensationalized further, since
>>  the book goes out of its way to mention every group remotely tied to
>>  the Freeman Brothers.
>
>	Sorry.  Check with Wally Worth, the lawyer for one of the brothers or 
>Richard Makoul who defended the cousin.  Describing the three as "skinheads" is 
>probably inaccurate.  They shaved their heads and wore the gear but they had no 
>attachment to the music.  Moreover the Freemans had more than passing familiarity 
>with "movement reading material."  They *were* loners and,as such, were not known 
>to local skinheads.  They *did* have a connection to Mark Thomas and the fact that 
>they were noticed at some of his parties is, therefore, significant.

You claimed they were NA members who testified in court that they
were.  You are a liar as usual Yale.

>>  Here Yale mentions "the Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County," a
>>  highly specific title which will induce the reader to think Yale knows
>>  what he is talking about, when precisely the contrary is true.  Yale
>>  here even claims to possess such exact knowledge as to the nature and
>>  details of the pleadings and affidavits themselves-- facts which
>>  almost noone but the actual prosecutor could know, or someone who
>>  studied the case closely.
>
>	Or someone who took the time to walk 1/2 block to the Clerk of Courts 
>(Criminal) and asked for the file.  All of which were public record.    
>
>>  Yale here gets even more specific.  He mentions the Freeman brothers
>>  filed a "Motion in Limine" and then goes on to explain what it means.
>>  Yale is now using his legal knowledge as a front for more bluffing,
>>  giving the definition of "motion in limine."  He specifically mentions
>>  the motion in limine was done for the express purpose of barring the
>>  prosecution "from mentioning their membership in the NA"(!)an
>>  assertion we know is impossible.  
>
>	The Motion is a public document.  So are the memoranda of law.  So is the 
>ruling that J. Brenner made on it.  Again, these are easily verifiable statements.

You claimed they were NA members who testified in court that they
were.  You are a liar as usual Yale.
  
>>  Yale then proceeds to add dramatic and "realistic" details to this
>>  completely fictional motion, claiming "the prosecution fought the
>>  motion" and gave the ground for opposition:  that "their NA membership
>>  was one of the factors in the conflict with their parents."  It is
>>  clear at this point that Yale is simply shooting from the hip, and
>>  extrapolating from whole cloth.  Since Yale is (purportedly) a
>>  practicing attorney in the state of Pennsylvania, he evidently thought
>>  himself in an ideal position to "pull off" this lie.  Yale even
>>  mentions the name "Judge Larry Brenner", an individual Yale may have
>>  appeared before at some point, or is simply a Jewish Judge who
>>  presides in the state of Pennsylvania which whom Yale knows of or is
>>  acquainted with.  Regardless, the elaborate legal yarn is false and is
>>  completely woven by Yale.
>
>	Larry Brenner (past president of the local Knights of Columbus) is the judge 
>who handled the case; note "Stele" anti-Semitic slur put in for no reason other than 
>his anti-Semitism.  The Motion is Limine and the arguments about it were widely 
>reported.  The bluff that "Stele" is running becomes obvious at this point.  That J. 
>Brenner handled the case and the filing of the Motion in Limine are easliy verfiable as 
>fact.  It was perhaps inappropriate for me to refer to Judge Lawrence Brenner as 
>"Larry" but he became a judge less than five years ago.  I have been dealing with him 
>for the decade before that as "Larry." 

You claimed in detailed they were NA members who testified in court
that they were.  You are a liar as usual Yale.


>>  Further reiterating his lie, Yale attacks Giwer as a "liar" for an
>>  understandable mix-up between the Montana Freemans and the
>>  Pennsylvania ones.  Yale then goes so far as to claim the Freemans
>>  were "arrested and interrogated with videotape," creating the
>>  impression Yale has actual knowledge of this.  Yale also again
>>  mentions "The Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County", seeking to
>>  establish further spurious credibility, and concludes "the decision
>>  accepted as fact the claim of the brothers Freeman that they were
>>  members of the NA:"  an outright whopper.
>
>
>	The mental confusion of the criminal Giwer was understandable only to 
>those who understand the mental operations of the criminal Giwer.  There are very 
>few of those.
>
>	Again the vidoetape was played in court.  I was there and saw it.  It was 
>widely reported in the local press.  The tape is currently the subject of a lawsuit by 
>CNN.  J. Brenner had it sealed ruling that it was not a public document.  They are 
>trying to obtain a copy.  The fact that "Stele" intimates that there was no such tape is 
>another indication of how his bluff is being run.

Anyone who calls up Mr. Steinburg, the prosecutor who prosecuted the
case, can find out the facts for themselves.  (610-820-3100).  In
addition the book _Blood Crimes_ available in Waldenbooks reveals that
the Freeman brothers were not NA members as you claimed.  

You claimed they the Freeman brothers were NA members.  You gave
detailed information to this end.  You are a liar of course.  But what
more can one expect from a Jewish lawyer?

When will you retract your lie that the Freeman Brothers were NA
members?

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted the deliberate lie
that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in
the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.

END SIG.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 1 Dec 1996 08:18:11 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote:

>Human memory is the glue that bonds

It's about the consistency and strength of Elmer's.  Utterly
unreliable as the contradictory and many patently absurd accounts
demonstrate, along with the notorious limits and tricks of the
human.memory.

>the massive physical evidence

(sic).  A major problem is the lack of physical evidence.  

>into a coherent and unified history. 

The "Holocaust" story is anything BUT coherent and unified, and this
is what greatly  undermines the only support the story has:
"eyewitness accounts" --  a flimsy foundation if there ever was one.  

Listen to what Jewish History Mr. Gringauz has to say about your
"infallible" eyewitness testimony 

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Thu, 28 Nov 1996 17:42:10 GMT, klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>Testimony of Richard Glazer, survivor of Treblinka
>
>"It was at the end of 1942. They chased us away from our work and
>back to our barracks. Suddenly, from the part of the camp cqalled
>the death camp, flames shot up. Very high. In a flash, the whole
>countryside, the whole camp, seemed ablaze. It was already dark.
>We went into our barracks and ate. 
                                                          ^^^^

You mean they fed you in "deathcamps"?  

>And from the window, we kept
>on watching the fantastic backdrop of flames of every imaginable
>color: red, yellow, green, purple. And suddenly one of us stood
>up. We knew...he'd been an opera singer in Warsaw. His name was
>Salve, and facing that curtain of fire, he began chanting a song
>I didn't know:
>
>	'My God, my God,
>	why hast Thou forsaken us?
>
>	We have been thrust into the fire before,
>	but we have never denied Thy Holy Law.'
>
>He sang in Yiddish, while behind him blazed the pyres on which
>they had begun then, in November 1942, to burn the bodies in
>Treblinka. That was the first time it happened. We knew that
>night that the dead would no longer be buried, they'd be burned.
>
>		Work cited:

Yes.  Please cite the author of this theatrical piece. 

>Lanzmann, Claude. Shoah: The Complete Text of the Acclaimed
>Holocaust Film. New York: De Capo Press. 1995 pp. 9-10

I think we know the full value of this film by now.  Replete with
phony interviews with Suchomel, et al. 

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Mon, 02 Dec 1996 15:17:09 GMT, PJO@is.back (Leprechan) wrote:

>>>On 1 Dec 1996 08:18:11 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote:

>	Although Ball has a tendency to overstate his position, he does
>clearly show by considering the time between the two pictures that if
>it is people, they are moving at a healthy jog, not walking or
>marching.  
>
>	Beyond that, if you look on page 40, you will plainly see the
>Kremas at the top of the picture and that "column of prisoners" headed
>towards the bottom of the picture, that is, AWAY from the Kremas.  But
>don't let that stand in the way of the story you want to tell.  After
>all, it is only a nasty bit of physical evidence that should be
>ignored.  

Harmon was never one known to let such as physical evidence stand in
his way.

Kurt Stele

http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages
of Zionism 
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust
http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust (mirror)
http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust
(mirror)
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
>http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) 
>http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
>http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
>http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
>http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 



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On 1 Dec 1996 18:51:08 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>
>>  When are you going to retract your lie that the Freeman Brothers were
>>  NA members?
>
>	You have been told several times.  It is no lie.
>
>	--YFE

You made elaborate claims regarding your lie.  You continued to post
them.  Everyone can now verify that you a liar with a single phonecall
to Bob Steinberg, 610-820-3100, the Prosecutor of the case.  Yet even
now you persist in your lie.  Anything but tell the truth, eh?  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On Mon, 02 Dec 1996 23:59:10 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <57udiu$ano@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>> Try this one:  
 
>> There is no forensic evidence to prove that people 
>> were gassed by the Nazis.
>
>But there is, Mr. Belling. 

Van Schmaltzstank loves to pretends there exists forensic evidence for
extermination by gassing.   Alas it is one of his more pitiable though
grandiose delusions.  

>> Anyway, how is it possible to take a photograph of an
>> event that in all likelihood never happened?
>
>You're begging the question, Mr. Belling. You (nor any denier) has ever
>offered a shred of credible evidence that would indicate that the
>Holocaust, "in all likelihood never happened."

It's actually far beyond that.  It is impossible for it to have
happened.  

>Pretty lame, Mr. Belling. Even for you. 
>
>For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 03:35:40 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>Mr. Belling's descent into the Cesspit Of The Giwer-swine is nearly
>complete. Now not only is Mr. Belling a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, but
>a budding anti-Semite as well. (I'd say "Oh, how the mighty have fallen,"
>but in truth Mr. Belling was never mighty, nor did he have very far to
>fall....) 

"Good the last drop" sewage-guzzling Van Schmalzstink again with his
fetishistic drive to defend each and every tale in the vast lexicon of
contradictory and absurd Holocaust mythology.   Van Alstine's motto
is:  "the more absurd, unsubstantiated, and contradictory the
testimony is, the better.  That way I can get 'creative' and use my
'wits' (sic) and rack up brownie with my Nizkook masters back at the
Synagogue."  

>For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On 1 Dec 1996 17:28:49 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) wrote:

>Human memory is the glue that bonds

It's about the consistency and strength of Elmer's as several
contradictory, absurd, and plainly impossible testimonies demonstrate.
The human memory is notoriously and infamously unreliable. 

>the massive physical evidence

(sic).  A major problem is the "Holocaust"'s lack of physical
evidence.  

>into a coherent and unified history. 

The "Holocaust" story is anything BUT coherent and unified, and this
is what greatly  undermines the only support the story has:
"eyewitness accounts" --  a flimsy foundation if there ever was one.  

Listen to what Jewish History Mr. Gringauz has to say about your
"infallible" eyewitness testimony: 

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 03:25:02 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <57njlm$8q0@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>> I kissed the devils ass.-Accused witch at Salem Trials.
>
>Bad "analogy," Mr. Belling. As can be seen in the attribution to the
>above, Kremer's account of the gassing of the women came from his _diary_
>which he kept _during_ his tenure at Auschwitz. Lest we forget, that means
>Kremer wrote this passage (and others) whithout being coerced, or placed
>under duress, and that he witnessed (and took part in) such atrocities
>while Auschwitz was under Nazi control.

The only time Kremer mentions gassing is in his September 1, 1942
entry:  "This afternoon at gassing of barracks block with Zyklon B for
lice" verifying what Zyklon B was in fact used for.   Kremer's diaries
mentioned "Sonderaktions" (special actions) which Dr. Kremer testified
the term meant "gassing of people" only to retract it 10 years later
after being released from Polish prison.  Like several other Germans
who "cooperated" with the Allies at trial, it didn't do him all that
much good at verdict time (although his life was spared).  

>This, of course, is a far cry from some poor women being accused of being
>a witch at the Salem Witch Trials. But you knew that. It's just that
>implying that eyewitness accounts of homicidal gassings somehow equates to
>"confessions" of kissing the Devil's ass are _so_ appealing to lying
>scumbag Nazi aplogists....

Kremer's calling his Sonderaktions "homicidal gassings" at the
inquisitions of Allied victors is precisely the same as the Salem
witch confessing to having kissed Satan's ass.

>For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 1 Dec 1996 19:02:06 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   Chuck Ferree  writes:
>
>>  stele the liar of all liars, has the hueveos to cal Mr. Edeiken a liar 
>>  about sixty times in this one post. 
>
>	It should be noted that in his "expose" "Stele" made the following errors 
>:
>
>	1.  He did not know the name of the district attorney who actually 
>handled the case.
>
>	2.   He did not know the name of the court in which the proceedings 
>took place.
>
>	3.  He did not know the name of the judge handling the case.
>
>	4.  He did not know of the Motions in Limine filed by the Freeman 
>brothers (and, in fact, denied that that there was one).
>
>	5.  He did know of the videotaped interrogation of the brothers made in 
>Michigan or that it was played in open court (and, in fact, denied that this ever 
>happened).
>
>	6.  He did not know of the testimony taken from school authorities in 
>open court during the supression hearing (and, in fact, denied that there was such 
>testimony).
>
>	7.  He has refused to elucidate the connection of Mark thomas (a/k/a 
>"the Longswamp Nazi") to the Freeman brothers or the NA.
>
>	8.  He has not presented anything from the defense attoneys involved in 
>the case who have knowledge not available to the district attorney (including 
>detailed psychiatric evaluations) and which has never been made public.
>
>	All "Stele" has is his denials.
>
>	Given the source, they are not worth much at all.
>
>	--YFE

Amazing.  Yale is making up even more lies.   Even when Yale is caught
red-handed Yale excretes another baleful.

The prosecutor who handled the case (i.e., the one who would have had
to have been the one filing all the motion Yale completely made up,
hoping we would just "trust him" and not check on it) was Mr. Robert
Steinberg.   

Call the following number:  610-820-3100 in Pennsylvania (the number
to the County Prosecutor who handled the case).   You can also talk to
the assistant prosecutor Mr. Pete Richards and he will also verify as
well.  Then read the book on the Freeman Brothers _Blood Crimes_ by
Fred Rosen and it also verifies Mr. Steinberg was the prosecutor and
the Freeman brothers were not NA members.    

Yale repeatedly lied the Freeman Brothers were "NA members" and that
they "testified in court" that they were.  Now Yale is again revealed
as a liar.  Tsk tsk, Yale.  It's unfortunate your mother never brought
you up to admit the truth, even after you are caught lying.  It must
be often convenient having no sense of guilt.  I know of several of
your ilk who lack the trait as well, which is perhaps why they are so
adept at peddling it  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.

END SIG.



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On 2 Dec 1996 14:17:16 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	Sorry.  The responses so far of those who have made the assertion that 
>the tape is a forgery (and as both of us have noted, you are not of that number) 
>make two points very obvious.  First, they have no intention of having their lies 
>tested by reliable scientific methods and, second, they are afraid of that being 
>done.

>	--YFE

If the tape was legit the cowardly Jewish Holohoax Industry would have
already tested it by now.  They haven't and won't.   Just like they
won't permit the public to discover the huge holes in the Hollowhoax
over mass media airwaves.   Just like the cowards have to resort to
imprisoning revisionists and censoring websites to keep the public
>from  finding out about it.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.






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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 1 Dec 1996 18:42:03 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	You have been offered a simple sceintific test whichj, if the 
>"revisionist" contentions (I note that you, yourself, make no claim that the 
>tape of the Posen speech is a forgery) which, if they are correct, would be done 
>at no cost to them.  If this offer was given in the context of litigation, there is not 
>a single lawyer who would no leap at the opportunity.
>
>	--YFE

Then test the doctored tape coward.  

Kurt Stele 

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.



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On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 16:43:14 +0100, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
wrote:

>  Today our obnoxious neighbour country, Germany wants to have Danish 
>citizens who express views on nazism that are not sanctioned by the German 
>authorities, incarcarated - like in 1940 - 45. In this case history is 
>repeating itselfs. Germany gives billions of dollars to Israel every year 
>because of WW2 while Germany has still not paid Denmark a cent of those 
>loans they got from the Danish central bank during WW2. So much for the 
>respect of Germany for Denmark.

Don't hold it against the Germans yet, Ole.  They never got a chance
to repay the Danes after WWII since the Allies immediately installed
the current illegitimate puppet regime in Germany which along with the
U.S. is nothing more than another Israeli slave state.  

The Germans will rightly pay Denmark's money back eventually after
some racial accounts are first settled, a government for the
preservation and true interests of the German people reinstalled, and
the future and freedoms of the Europeans peoples are first made secure
-- the underlying purpose of Hitler Germany's cause which he began but
as yet remains uncompleted.   The European peoples have bigger
problems right now -- namely, hordes of non-Whites invading and
breeding like flies in their formerly-White countries, invasions which
-never- would have occurred had Hitler won, of course.  As you
verified, Denmark is being invaded by hordes of non-Whites as well.
There's no time for petty nationalism right now. All people of
European descent need to band together right now if we are to survive
the coming battle for our existence.  

Racial Regards,

Kurt Stele

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English,
French, and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our
mutual destruction.   Let us not dissipate our strength, or help
Europe to dissipate hers in these wars of politics and possession."  

Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.





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On Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:15:30 -0700, Marty Kelley
 wrote:

>For some time, "Kurt Stele" has been using the following quote as his
>.signature file:
>> 
>> "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
>> of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
>> overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
>> lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  
>> 
>> Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
>> York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 
>
>This 1950 issue of _JSS_ is devoted to problems of research related to the
>Holocaust, or as the writers in the journal called it at the time, the
>"recent catastrophe" of Jews in Europe. Right before Gringauz's
>article, there's also a fine article by Hannah Arendt on the implications
>of the concentration camps for doing sociological research. It is
>important to note that research on the history of the Holocaust was, at
>the time this article was published, an academic field which was only
>beginning to establish itself, and this issue of _JSS_ was devoted to
>defining and exploring the possible ground rules for doing research in
>that emerging field.

To the contrary it is even more remarkable that Mr. Gringauz was able
to discern the unreliable nature of the Holocaust testimony only 5
years after WWII long before revisionism began, before several IMT
claims such as steaming and electrocution were dropped and proven
false.  

>Even though he quotes and cites mostly accurately, "Stele" still has a
>couple of important details wrong. For one thing, Gringauz is writing as a
>_sociologist_, not a historian, which is significant since he's
>addressing problems of doing sociology about the ghettos (and not about
>the Holocaust as a whole--another misleading aspect of "Stele's" use of
>the quote). 

His point about the exaggeration of the Holocaust testimonies he read
stands either way.   That is the problem of basing the Holocaust
solely on testimony without physical evidence.  The claims such as
electrocution and steaming and the unreliability of the human memory
and the fact most of it was from adverse witnesses, makes the body of
Holocaust testimony as a whole always suspicious.

>More significantly, the passage does not refer to _all_
>Holocaust survivors, but specifically to popular first-person accounts of
>individual survivors published immediately after the war.  This isn't a
>trivial distinction, because Gringauz is only condemning some types of
>survivor memoirs, not the testimony of all survivors, as "Stele's" use
>of the quote implies.

His criticism of most of the eyewitness testimony is even more damning
since the testimonies were issued right after the war when the facts
would clearest and most accurate in the minds of the witnesses, and
yet still contained obvious exaggerations, memory distortions, and
claims later proven false.   

>The biggest problem with "Stele's" use of this quote is that Gringauz goes
>on to put this problem--the subjectivity inherent in any first-person
>account of any event--into the context of doing valid sociological work.
>Gringauz asks "whether participants in such a world-shaking epoch can at
>all be its historians and whether the time has already come when valid
>hisoric judgment, free of partisanship, vindictiveness, and ulterior
>motives, is possible" (65-66).   

What is most relevant is Gringauz's observation of the testimonies as
exaggerative.   Considering so many claims of the holocaust, which
were claimed in great detail such as steaming and electrocution have
already been dropped, Gringauz was certainly correct.

>In other words, he's asking basic
>questions about what counts as valid history and sociology--he is most
>certainly not dismissing all survivor accounts out of hand.  Indeed,
>Gringauz's opinion is that "survivors of the great catastrophe can make an
>important contribution to the exploration of the problem" and that "the
>most satisfactory basis for sound research in these problems is to be
>found in the co-operation of scientists who have had personal experience
>with scientists who have not" (66).  He closes his introduction to the
>article by stating that "the establishment of methodological directives
>for research are immediate urgent tasks" (66).

In other words he's saying "these testimonies are exaggerative, and it
is urgent we get some physical evidence and science to back up this
tale, and fast, because this testimony is preposterous, hopelessly
contradictory and over-dramatized."   Unfortunately nothing in the way
of hard evidence ever turned up even 40 years later, and several of
the accounts have already imploded.  

>So, when we look at the quote in context, it becomes clear that Gringauz
>is not simply dismissing survivor accounts out of hand.  Rather, he is
>pointing out the flaws in some published first-person accounts
>(especially those that appeared immediately after the war), and
>calling upon social scientists to make appropriate use of such accounts.

The only problem is that the same criticism of exaggeration, lyricism,
and preposterous claims in the testimony he read also apply to all
sorts of other testimony as well, making the Holocaust's foundation of
solely eyewitness testimony tenous at best.

>Gringauz is simply repeating one of the most basic tenets of sociological
>research: first-hand observations of participants in events may be flawed
>by several factors, and any academic study using such sources must
>acknowledge those possible flaws.  This holds as true for first-person
>accounts of the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights movement, the American
>revolution, and the Teapot Dome scandal as it does for the Holocaust, and
>to imply, as "Stele" does, that Holocaust survivors are _more_ prone to
>such errors of subjectivity than other witnesses to historical events, is
>a deliberate twisting of Gringauz's purpose.

All Gringauz is saying that the testimony he read sucks, is
exagerative and preposterous, so c'mon guys let's get some real
physical evidence here guys:  I mean really.   It doesn't speak well
for holocaust testimony.

>I would like to thank Mr. "Stele" for giving me the opportunity to read an
>interesting series of articles that reflects the early state of Holocaust
>research.   

You're welcome.

>I would also invite him to read the entire Gringauz article
>and ask himself if he is using the quote honestly.

The answer is an obvious yes.  His criticism applies to several
accounts of Holocaust eyewitness testimony.  Gringauz's commentary on
the unreliability of the testimony he read is just as applicable to
any number of eyewitness accounts, which are all just as absurd, just
as exaggerative, just as lacking in physical evidence.   His
commentary provides an apt summary on Holocaust testimony in general.
Nizkor oftens posts testimonies and they read like a cheesy maudlin
B-movie scripts.  Gringauz's criticism is actually understated.   

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:52:38 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article , alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>
>> <*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
>> <+[Re: ihr7] [17 Nov 96 07:38][*][0]*>
>> 
>>  H> Were the corpses disposed of with a method that did not use
>>  H> conventional fuel, or was Wirth, or whoever quoted Wirth at the
>>  H> time, lying or misinformed?
>> 
>> Wood was not considered a "conventional fuel". There were very few
>> vehicles that used it and that was what a country at war considered
>> "real" fuel.
>> 
>> But anyone not totally ignorant knew that.
>
>Indeed. However, to expand on this a bit:
>
>"...[I]n June 1942, SS _Gruppenfu"hrer_ Heinrich Mu"ller, the head of the
>Gestapo, formally appointed [SS _Standartenfu"hrer Paul] Blobel the task
>of covering up the traces of the mass executions carried out by the
>_Einsatzgruppen_ in the East. This task was top secret, and Blobe.l was
>ordered that no written corrospondance should apeear on the subject. The
>operation was given the code name '_Sonderaktion 1005.' Blobel's duty was
>to find the proper technical means and system for destroying the victims'
>bodies, to coordinate and supervidse the entire operation, and to issue
>the verbal orders for its implemantation.
>
>"After his appointment, Blobel, along with a small staff of three or four
>men, began experimanting with systems for burning bodies. The place chosen
>for these experiments was Chelmno, the first death camp that had been
>established and had been operating since the end of 1941. At the same
>time, tens of thousands of Jews from the Lodz area had already been killed
>there; they were buried in pits in a wooded area. The pits were opened,
>and the first experiments were carried out. Incendiary bombs were tried,
>but these caused large fired in the surrounding woods. Then they started
>to cremate the bodies on wood in open fireplaces. The bones that remained
>were destroyed by a special bone-crushing machine. The ashes of the bodies
>were small fragments of bones were buried in the pits from which the
>bodies had been removed. At the conclusion of these successful
>experiments, the SS had found a simple and efficient way to erase their
>crimes. 
>
>"Following these experiments, the burning of the corspes of the victims
>murdered in Chelmno and in Auschwitz was begun. this as early as the last
>months of 1942. The results of Blobels' experiments were sent to Globocnik
>so that he could introduce cremation of the corpses in the Operation
>Reinhard camps...." 

>(Arad, _Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: the Operation
>Reinhard death camps_, pp.170-171.) 

What does quoting large passages from a worthless partisan source do
for you?  (hint:  nothing)

>As to Wirth using wood to cremate the victims' corpses:
>
>"_Unterscharfu"hrer_ Becher Warner, who served as a driver in Sobibor from
>August through November 1942, testified at the Sobibor trial" 'The corpses
>were taken out from the gas chambers and cremated on a specially prepared
>roaster.                                                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^

Haw haw haw!  

>The ashes and remains of the bodies were biried in a specially
>designated place, and later a forest was planted there....As I have
>already said, I used to bring foodstuffs to the camp and also wood for
>cremating the killed...." 

Gee.  No need for crematoria.  How novel.

>The  gonadotoxic Giwer-swine (tm) is, as far as I can determine, a craven
>anti-Semitic and racist troller whose only interest is in slandering Jews
>and causing fights.  He has profusely and consistantly lied about what has
>been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying); refused to
>document claims; pretended not to see posts which contain documented
>refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him);
>engaged in actual libel; blatant and offensive anti-Semitism; Nazi
>apologia, crude sexism, prolifically abused the 'Net, sent e-mailbombs,
>and harrassed people via e-mail; forged posts; and has generally conducted
>himself with such a complete lack of moral, intellectual, and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond to such a perverted animal.  For detailed and documented evidence
>of this, please refer to
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/giwer.html
>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
>
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/antisemite
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/c-word
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/fatbroad
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/email

There goes infamous grave-digger and seasoned necrophiliac Marred Van
Alstank with his favorite past-time: interring dead and
already-rotting, already-discredited Holocaust canards for his own
dark adulation and fetishitic pleasures.  

Mark's notorious modus operandi is to inter and abscond away with the
corpse in the dead of night to his home (the basement of Nizkor
Synagogue, B.C.), prop up its gory, liquified remains in a chair with
a drip-tray underneath and a bib around its "neck", wine and dine the
rotting cadaver with candles, still-frozen hot dogs, and Mad Dog
20/20, make goo-goo eyes at the creature's motionless, unidentifiable
"face," and Mark then proceeds to "make love" to the wet,
maggot-ridden object of desire.  Mark's motto is "the more decomposed
and odiferous, the more exquisite."

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele



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On 5 Dec 1996 16:24:37 GMT, moonlite@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>WAHRHEIT (Wahrheit@cris.com) wrote:
>[rest of barking deleted]
>: He even objected to this week's international news story, that HITLER SO
>: LIKED JEWS, he had many Jews in the Army, including a JEWISH FIELD
>: MARSHALL!!
>	Bollocks to the part about Hitler liking Jews.  Those particular
>Jews were declared to be non-Jews, partly because they had serviced the
>German army well, even long before the Nazis took over.  Goering (or some
>other guy) said that he decided who was Jewish and who wasn't.  Besides,
>how do you sully your hero's name  by proclaiming that he liked
>the very people that you're bigotted against?  Besides, I thought the
>purpose of your Holocaust denial was to make your hero Hitler look good? 

Rather the purpose of the Holofraud is to make Germans, European
nationalism, and White loyalists look bad and while making Jews look
saintly and per$ecuted.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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On Thu, 05 Dec 1996 10:49:17 +0800, Bjorn Vang Jensen
 wrote:

>So William Grosvenor is back, using his Wahrheit address after Freenet
>kicked him off. Everyone, please start copying postmaster@concentric.net
>on all replies to Mr. Grosvenor's posts.

Your response is to suppress.  You're a holohugging dick, a
Jew-sucking coward.  

>Mr./Ms. Postmaster, please pay attention to Mr. Grosvenor's posts on
>Usenet newsgroups, he has just been kicked off the net by
>postmaster@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca for hatemongering. You can read all
>about him on
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/grosvenor.william/background-grosvenor.
>I strongly suggest you do so, as he is the subject of several ongoing
>police investigations, as well as a convicted criminal. 

What was his "crime"?  Anti-semitism or something else?

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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On Wed, 04 Dec 1996 23:16:13 -0800, gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
Gandhi) wrote:

>I believe nothing on faith. The facts are clear. The Holocaust did happen.

Not.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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On 3 Dec 1996 02:35:43 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	The truth is the criminal Giwer claimed the tape was a forgery.  When 
>challenged to put his assertion to a scientific test, he shut up like a clam.  The 
>exchange is preserved in its entirety on Nizkor.  This, of course, is another reason 
>that the criminal Giwer goes into a paranoid rage whenever he hears the URL 
>which exposes his lies so thoroughly:
>
>	http://www.nizkor.org
>
>	--YFE

Yale you're a goofball.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.



>
>	



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On 3 Dec 1996 13:53:04 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 1 Dec 1996 19:02:06 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>  >	It should be noted that in his "expose" "Stele" made the following 
>errors 
>
>>  >	1.  He did not know the name of the district attorney who actually 
>>  >handled the case.
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>
>>  >	2.   He did not know the name of the court in which the proceedings 
>>  >took place.
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>
>>  >	3.  He did not know the name of the judge handling the case.
>
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>
>>  >	4.  He did not know of the Motions in Limine filed by the Freeman 
>>  >brothers (and, in fact, denied that that there was one).
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>
>>  >	5.  He did know of the videotaped interrogation of the brothers made 
>in 
>>  >Michigan or that it was played in open court (and, in fact, denied that this 
>ever 
>>  >happened).
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>
>>  >	6.  He did not know of the testimony taken from school authorities in 
>>  >open court during the supression hearing (and, in fact, denied that there was 
>such 
>>  >testimony).
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>
>>  >	7.  He has refused to elucidate the connection of Mark thomas (a/k/a 
>>  >"the Longswamp Nazi") to the Freeman brothers or the NA.
>
>	Stele won't tell us about this connection.
>
>>  >	8.  He has not presented anything from the defense attoneys involved 
>in 
>>  >the case who have knowledge not available to the district attorney 
>(including 
>>  >detailed psychiatric evaluations) and which has never been made public.
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>
>>  >	All "Stele" has is his denials.
>
>>  >	Given the source, they are not worth much at all.
>
>>  Amazing.  Yale is making up even more lies.   Even when Yale is caught
>>  red-handed Yale excretes another baleful.
>
>	Stele does not explain his ignorance.
>  
>>  The prosecutor who handled the case (i.e., the one who would have had
>>  to have been the one filing all the motion Yale completely made up,
>>  hoping we would just "trust him" and not check on it) was Mr. Robert
>>  Steinberg.   
>
>	Douglas Reichley made all appearances in court for the DAs office.  
>Moreover,  anybody with half a brain would know that the prosecutor would not 
>file a motion filed by the defense attorneys.
>
>	More proof that Stele is sending up a smokescreen.
>
>	--YFE

This is incredible.  Even Mark Van Alstine has already called up
Robert Steinberg in Allentown at 610-820-3100 and verified that your
claims that the Freeman Brothers were NA members are false.  You
appended several related details to your claim, in other words,
deliberate elaborations on the original lie, in order to give it
further credence.  Then you tried to say that Mr. Steinberg wasn't the
prosecutor of the case.  Yale you are slithery one, aren't you?
You've already been found out.  I would concede at this point, Yale.
It's actually getting embarrassing.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On 3 Dec 1996 02:41:26 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>  
>>  	What is there to put up?  The very existance of the challenge is an
>>  admission that the speaker has not been identified.  
>
>	Nope.  The existence of the challenge exposes the basic dishonesty of 
>the "revisionists."  The speaker is identified as Himmler.  It has always been so.

You're only begging the question.  Identified by who?  By you -- a
well-established liar?  

>>  	Therefore, until you folks can substantiate the identity of the
>>  speaker, please refrain from using it as evidence.  
>	The question is not the identification of the speaker.  The speaker has 
>been identified as Himmler.  The question is the claim by a few clowns that the 
>speech is a forgery.  You have made that assertion.
>
>	You have refused to put that assertion to a scientific test.  A tacit 
>admission that your claim that the speech is phony was fraudulent.
>
>	--YFE

Knowing the shenanigans of the "holocaust" the tape is probably a
forgery.  All you have is a tape that hasn't been authenticated.  In
other words you don't have anything.  If you want to authenticate the
tape and turn otherwise worthless evidence into something authentic
then the burden is on you.  Until you authenticate it will rightfully
be considered worthless and just another probable forgery.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On Tue, 03 Dec 1996 14:30:02 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>Harmon:
>>Matt, there are _four_ columns of prisoners in that 
>>photo.  Two of which are standing in formation, and the 
>>other two are marching.  
>>
>>I notice you don't mention which column. why is that?
>
>	Actually there are more like 6 columns, the three that are broken
>up into three inky black blocks, three of which are standing on the
>roof of a building, two smaller columns for "disinfection", and the
>one one that is identified as moving.
>
>     Since it appears you have the book before you, your question, "I
>notice you don't mention which column. why is that?" is dishonest,
>since the one supposed to be on the move is identified and discussed
>in the book.

The aerial photo evidence drives them to desperation like no other
kind does it not.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Fri, 06 Dec 1996 10:27:45 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <587egm$528@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>> I have attempted to repost this response so it can be read.
>> Hope I succeeded.
>> 
>>  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

>>  Care to answer the question, Mr. Belling? How were the Jews responsible
>>  for a war started by Nazi Germany? 
>>   
>>     Ask your friends at the synagogue.  Why ask me?  BTW, who declared
>>     war first-England and France, or Germany?
>>   
>>   Which nation, without first formally declaring war, invaded another
>>   sovereign nation Mr. Belling?
>> 
>> Russia?  When it invaded Finland?  
>
>The Soviets invaded Finland on November 30, 1939, Mr. Belling. That's
>nearly three months _after_ Germany invaded Poland and Britain and France
>declared war on Germany. (cf. Dupoy, _The Harper Encyclopedia of Military
>History_, p.1154.) 
>
>Strike one. 

The Allies never attacked the Soviets for its invasion of Finland.
Only Germany.

>> Poland, when it annexed Tschen?
>
>Poland occupied Teschen on October 2, 1938, Mr. Belling. That's nearly a
>year _before_ WWII commenced with the invasion of Poland by Germany and
>the subsequent declaration of war on Germay by France and Britian. (cf.
>Ibid. p.1136.) 
>
>This, of course, occured nearly a month _after_ the German annexation of
>the Sudenten (cf. Ibid. p.1133). So, Mr. Belling, if your are suggesting
>events almost a year _prior_ to what historians for decades have agreed to
>be the start of WWII, then by _your_ own "logic" Germany _still_
>instigated WWII.... 

The Allies never attack Poland for its invasion.  Only Germany.

>Strike two, Mr.Belling. 
>
>> Russia?  When it invaded Poland? 
>
>The Soviets invaded Poland on September 17, 1939, Mr. Belling. That's over
>two weeks _after_ Germany invaded Poland and Britain and France declared
>war on Germany(Ibid., p.1151.) 
>
>Strike three. Thanks for playing, Mr. Belling.... 

The Allies never attacked the Soviet Union for its mutual invasion of
Poland.  Only Germany.

>>      I'm asking _you_, Mr. Belling because _you_ made the (inane) claim that
>>      "the Nazis claimed it was the Jews who were responsible for the war."
>>      Capisce?

The Jews were the primary movers for WWII same as in WWI:  

"The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by
every Jewish  community, on every conference, in all labor
unions and by every single Jew in the world. There  are
reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is
of general importance. We shall start  a spiritual and
material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is
striving to become  once again a great nation, and to
recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But
our  Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of
Germany..." (Valadimir Jabotinsky, in  Mascha Rjetsch,
January, 1934)

"The forces of reaction are being mobilized. A
combination of England, France and  Russia will sooner or
later bar the triumphal march of the crazed Fuhrer. Either
by accident or  design, a Jews has come into the position of
the foremost importance in each of these nations.  In the
hands of nonAryans, lie the very lives of millions...and
when the smoke of battle clears,  and the trumpets blare no
more, and the bullets cease to blast! Then will be presented
a tableau  showing the man who played. God, the swastika
Christus, being lowered none too gently into  a hole in the
ground, as a trio of nonAryans, in tone a ramified requiem,
that sounds  suspiciously like a medley of Marseillaise, God
Save the King, and the international; blending  in the grand
finale, into a militant, proud arrangement of Eile! Elie!
[This is the traditional  Jewish cry of triumph]. (The
American Hebrew, New York City, June 3, 1938)

"...This weakness of the President [Roosevelt]
frequently results in failure on the part  of the White
House to report all the facts to the Senate and the
Congress; its [The Administration] description of the
prevailing situation is not always absolutely correct and in 
conformity with the truth...When I lived in America, I
learned that Jewish personalities  most  of them rich donors
for the parties  had easy access to the President. They used
to contact him  over the head of the Foreign Secretary and
the representative at the United Nations and other 
officials. They were often in a position to alter the entire
political line by a single telephone  conversation...Stephen
Wise...occupied a unique position, not only within American
Jewry, but  also generally in America...He was a close
friend of Wilson...he was also an intimate friend of 
Roosevelt and had permanent access to him, a factor which
naturally affected his relations to  other members of the
American Administration...Directly after this, the
President's car stopped  in front of the veranda, and before
we could exchange greetings, Roosevelt remarked: 'How 
interesting! Sam Roseman, Stephen Wise and Nahum Goldman are
sitting there discussing what  order they should give the
President of the United States. Just imagine what amount of
money  the Nazis would pay to obtain a photo of this scene.'
We began to stammer to the effect that  there was an urgent
message from Europe to be discussed by us, which Rosenman
would submit  to him on Monday. Roosevelt dismissed him with
the words: 'This is quite all right, on Monday  I shall hear
>from  Sam what I have to do,' and he drove on." (USA, Europe,
Israel, Nahum  Goldmann, pp. 53, 6667, 116).

>You, Mr. Belling, to suggest otherwise, have a terribly perverse
>world-view. One might even say an _anti-Semitic_ world-view.... 

boo hoo, (sniffles).   "A Nizkook called me anti-Semitic.   Imagine
that."  (wiping the tears....)

>>   I know no such thing, Mr. Belling. You have defended Kramer, who was
>>   convicted of crimes against humanity. You have defended Goe"ring, who was
>>   convicted of crimes against humanity. You have defended Streicher, who was
>>   convicted of crimes against humanity. These crimanls, Mr. Belling, took
>>   part in the _proven_ murder of quite a few defenseless human beings, Mr.
>>   Belling, and were convicted and executed for it. And you have defended
>>   them. 
>> 
>> And I will continue to defend them because their sentence was
>> a travesty of justice.  
>
>Condemned by your own words. Thank you. 

No victor was ever accused of a crime against humanity.  What a
coincidence.   

>>    C'mon, Mr. Belling! A little _research_ won't hurt you. Much. 
>>  
>>  Nor will it hurt you.  Provide these reports and the media will taut you
>>  as a great researcher.  You will achieve fame.

>Indeed. And I will endeavor to provide an _exact_ citation as well, Have
>little doubt of that. _My_ committment, unlike yours, to providing
>accurate citations can hardly be doubted -as both Nizkor and DejaNews will
>verify.

You mean you hav not done so yet?  More unsubstantiated assertions by
Van Smallstein.

>Of course. I make no bones about my disgust for such people and I will
>certainly not pretend otherwise. 

Oh the righteousness.  

>>   If I am to provide _you_ a full citation for Dr. Larsen's report, you can
>>   hardly  deny _me_ the quid quo pro of providing the _full_ citations for
>>   _your_ claims! 
>>   
>>   That, is, of course, unless you are a shameless hypocrite? 
>> 
>> You have yet to provide the reports.
>
>And you somehow see this as a prerequisite to you fullfilling _your_
>obligations? How odd. 

Provide the Larsen reports already.  It's going to be Springtime soon.


>>   German babes are German nationals, Mr. Belling. 
>> 
>>  Oh.  Well, by your own logic you have justified the shooting
>>  of the the children of Jewish partisans.
>>   
>>  Hardly, Mr. Belling. The killing of non-combatants in occupied
>>   territorries, by the occupying power, in retaliation for partisan
>>   activities is strictly forbidden by the Hague Convention (IV), Article 50
>>   specifically. 
>> 
>>  The killing of defenseless civilians anywhere can be said to be the same.
>>   
>>   Would you care to name the specific internatinal treaty that prohibits the
>>   aerial bombardment of military targets (means of production of production
>>   inclusive)?
>> 
>> Are you really this pathetic, Mark?  And you call me an apologist for
>> murderers!  
>
>Indeed I do so call you, Mr Belling. You are an apologist for murderers.
>For malignant and evil baby killers.  

You are hypocrite scum.  According to Marred Van Smallstein's logic
It's OK to kill German civilians but not Jewish civilians.  A classic
Nizkook syllogism.

>>  Please support you claim, Mr. Bellinger. Which ethnic groups did the
>>   Allies externimate in Allied occupied territories? Please be sure to
>>   provide full citations in support of your claim. 

The deliberate incineration of ethnic Germans at Hamburg, Dresden, et
al.  Deliberate starvation of thousands of ethnic German civilians
after the war, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of German POW's.
Of course, that's 'OK' with the bent Marred Van Smellstein.  
 
>For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

So writes the infamous grave-digger and seasoned necrophiliac Marred
Van Alstank, well-known for his favorite past-time of interring dead
and already-rotting, already-discredited Holocaust canards for his own
dark adulation and fetishitic pleasures.  

Mark's notorious modus operandi is to inter and abscond away with the
corpse in the dead of night to his home (the basement of Nizkor
Synagogue, B.C.), prop up its gory, liquified remains in a chair with
a drip-tray underneath and a bib around its "neck", wine and dine the
rotting cadaver with candles, still-frozen hot dogs, and Mad Dog
20/20, make goo-goo eyes at the creature's motionless, unidentifiable
"face," and Mark then proceeds to "make love" to the cold, wet,
maggot-ridden object of desire.  Mark's motto is "the more decomposed
and odiferous, the more exquisite."

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele



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_Do Jews Run Hollywood?:   You Bet They Do -- And What of It?_

by Ben Stein

A few days after Marlon Brando scandalized the  airwaves by referring
to the Jews who worked in  Hollywood as "kikes," I got a call from an
editor  at 60 Minutes. The woman wanted to know how I felt  about
Brando's use of words and his allegation  that Hollywood is "run by
Jews." She suggested the desired answer by noting that her researchers
had conclusively proven that Jews do not run Hollywood. 

Crafty 60 Minutes had studied the top slots in  town. Their research
showed that "only" about 60 percent of the most important positions in
Hollywood were run by Jews. What did I think? 

I managed to disqualify myself by saying that while Hollywood was not
really "run" by anyone (it's far too chaotic for that), if Jews were
about 2.5 percent of the population and were about 60 percent of
Hollywood, they might well be said to be extremely predominant in that
sector. 

That was far too logical and un-PC an answer, and I never heard from
her again. 

But Jews are a big part of my thoughts (as they are of every Jew's
thoughts). Plus, I live and struggle in Hollywood, so the combination
intrigues me. What exactly is the role of the Jew  in Hollywood? More
to the point, what does it signify, if anything, if Jews have a big
role? And, most interesting of all, why do we care? 

First, it is extremely clear to anyone in Hollywood that Jews are, so
to speak, "in charge" in Hollywood in a way that is not duplicated in
any other large business, except maybe garments or scrap metal or
folding boxes. 

At mighty Paramount, the controlling stockholder is Sumner Redstone.
Head of the studio is Jon Dolgen. Head of production is Sherry
Lansing--all members of the tribe. 

At titanic Disney, the  CEO is Michael Eisner, the world's most
assimilated Jew, who might as well be a Presbyterian. Deputy head is
Michael Ovitz, karate champ but also a Jew. Head of the  studio is Joe
Roth. 

At newly energized ICM, the top dogs are Jeff Berg and Jim Wiatt. At
still overwhelming CAA, Jack Rapke and other members of my faith
predominate. At William Morris, Jon Burnham and other Jews are, by and
large, in the power positions. 

This has always been true in Hollywood. The ex-furriers who created
Hollywood were Eastern European Jewish immigrants, and all of the
great edifice of fantasy-making in Hollywood is their handiwork. Names
like Zukor and Lasky and Goldwyn and Cohn are the foundation of mass
culture in America and the world. 
                      
There is a much quoted note that it took all these Eastern European
Yiddish-speaking Jews to create the lasting, worldwide image of
America and what America is--the mass culture mirror that America
likes to hold up to its face. 

This thought is made concrete by the simple line at the beginning of
Gone with the Wind that it is "A David O. Selznick Production." It
took a Selznick, married to the daughter of a Louis B. Mayer, working
with a Thalberg, to create the ultimate vision of romantic
America--the antebellum South. 

It took a Jew--Leslie Howard--to play Ashley Wilkes, the bedrock image
of what a perfect American gentleman is supposed to be. 
                      
Thus, the fact of Hollywood's being very largely Jewish is not exactly
news. The news is that Hollywood is rapidly becoming ethnically far
more diverse than it was only a couple of decades ago, when I first
arrived here. 

You can take it from the studio level, where probably the most
powerful man in town is of the Australian faith--one Rupert Murdoch by
name.  Murdoch, no one's idea of a Jew, controls a major studio, a
major broadcast network and the largest aggregation of TV stations in
America. 

The head of programming at ABC is a full-on gentile, Ted Harbert. The
owner and head of production of what has become the Tiffany studio,
MGM, are Kirk Kerkorian and Frank Mancuso, alsonot members of Temple
Israel.  And on and on. 

It is certainly true that there have always been goyim in Hollywood.
But there are more gentiles in  the Industry now, and there has formed
a whole new route to Hollywood. 

No longer do young men and women work their way up solely by being
mailroom clerks or nephews of producers or offspring of men in the
linen-supply business. 

The standard route to Hollywood now is through Harvard and Yale.
Sitcom writers and producers, movie scriptwriters and producers now
come from the Ivy League far more than from the streets of Brooklyn.
Most of the writing staff of the powerhouse Seinfeld is from the
Harvard Lampoon. 

So are many of the writers on Married...with Children, Friends and
other stalwarts of the box.  The route from Harvard Square to
Hollywood is now hallowed by success and money. In fact, the
agencies now beg and plead for Harvard Lampoon grads the way they once
cried for the writers of The Jack Benny Radio Program. 

This change from borscht-belt origins to the halls of Harvard as a
prime source of writing talent in Hollywood is a quantum shift. Many
of the Harvard and Yale alums are, to be sure, Jews, but many are not.


Now, this is interesting to those of us who work here.  But it is of
no significance at all to the 99.9 percent of Americans who do not.
The only possible significance of whether Hollywood is run by Jews or
not must have to do with whether or not the product comes out
"Jewish," or in  some way different from the way it would if it were
made solely by gentiles. 

Really, the point is even a little uglier than that. The only real
reason why the question of  whether Jews "run" Hollywood is at all
interesting is because there is some residual thought--apparently as
was in the mind of Marlon Brando--that Jews are sinister and alien. 

Kike is a low Polish word meaning the nastiest, most alien connotation
of Jew. That would mean that the Jewish product of Jewish Hollywood
would be somehow subversive in some way. This would be  akin to
Wagner's notion that Jews had polluted and ruined German music with
their innately subversive sensibility. 

This is a thought so bizarre and even comical to anyone familiar with
Hollywood that it merits laughter more than fear. Yes, of course, the
Hollywood product is made mostly by Jews. But these Jews are in love
with America. These are Jews who want to play polo, not davvinn in
shul. These  are Jews whose children play soccer and learn horseback
riding in Malibu. 

These Jews, as soon as they have two million to rub together, buy
farms in South Carolina (Joel    Silver) or vast spreads in Colorado
(Peter Guber).

"From Poland to polo in one generation," some wag said about Darryl
Zanuck, and it makes the point. It was the Jews of the '30s and '40s
who gave us the vision of America the Good, where money did not
count--only goodness. Think of the works of William Wyler (maker of
the ultimate pro-American heartstrings movie, The Best Years of Our
Lives), or of MGM and its celebration of the swinging good life of
Ginger and Fred. 
                      
Where does the idea come from of the perfect American family,
occasionally quarreling mildly but ultimately working it all out in
love and affection? From Ozzie and Harriet and Leave It to     Beaver
and I Love Lucy, with their largely Jewish writers and producers. 

Where does the idea come from that parents and children, as polarized
asthey might be, will ultimately love each other? From Norman Lear and
his factory for grinding out funny and touching affirmations of
domestic life in America. 

Where does the idea that blacks can be funny and endearing as
millionaires and not just as servants and wide-eyed fools fleeing
ghosts? Again, from Norman Lear and The Jeffersons. Hollywood's
current product occasionally repels  and even sickens me. I am truly
disgusted with its language, its violence, its endless attacks on
businessmen and military officers. (On the other hand, it never can
attack the CIA enough for me.) 

But these are eddies and ripples in the vast tide of Hollywood
messages that encourage and hearten us in our daily struggle. Many
Americans get this message far more from Hollywood than from worship,
and these are by no means subversive messages. 

So now, as the shrinks say, we may perhaps to begin. If any overall
view of the Hollywood product shows it has been a wholesome influence
on American life, why is Hollywood itself still so not trusted? 

Why can a Marlon Brando attack it so explicitly for its Jewishness and
a Dan Quayle and even a Bob Dole and even a Bill Clinton attack it on
an ongoing basis for its alleged sinister quality? 

I marvel that when people criticize the auto industry for making
trucks that catch fire when they are struck and cars that turn over on
a turn, no one ever says "the gentile auto industry." No one calls the
pharmaceutical industry sinister or attacks it as alien even though it
turns out a lot of pills that addict people.                       

As far as I can recall, Hollywood, and only Hollywood, gets the
treatment as being somehow sinister and alien. 

Other industries are bad--like big tobacco--but only Hollywood is
un-American, even though its   product kills a lot fewer Americans.
It's hard to resist the thought that there are  only two explanations
for this:                    

--Envy. Life in Hollywood is thought to be fun, well-paid, glamorous
and sexy. Naturally, many people sitting in cheerless offices in D.C.
or elsewhere want to be in the seat where the mighty of Hollywood sit.
Because they have no idea of how  to get there, they express envy and
criticism of the people who are there. 

--Plain old primitive anti-Semitism. About two years ago, as I was
having lunch at the Spokane airport, an obviously somewhat off
waitress recognized me from my modest acting work and said she had
once seen "that Jewish woman with the big nose and the great voice"
and did I know her? 

"Do you mean Barbra Streisand?" I asked

Without missing a beat, she asked, "Say, do the Japanese control
Hollywood, or do you people still run it?" 

It's fear and racism at that level that motivates the issue of
Hollywood as sinister and alien.   Maybe it's so basic when it comes
to Jews that it just will never go away. Or maybe it will take so long
to go away that Hollywood will be Korean by then. 

For now, Hollywood, in many ways the most successful cultural
enterprise of all time and the most potent messenger of American
values of all time, is changing, but it is still largely Jewish.   And
a very angry voice in my curly head makes me add, "What the hell of
it?" 

==========

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Dr. Muench Testifies About Auschwitz
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On Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:56:52 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>dvdthomas@aol.com writes:
>
># Well, I can agree with a question asked in the post--why
># indeed would sick people designated for execution be
># transported anywhere at the considerable time and expense
># involved instead of being dispatched with a five cent bullet
># at the place of their decline from usefullness?
>
>Hardly a "considerable time and expense", as they were rather
>close to Auschwitz anyway. That's also where the cremation
>furnaces were, which allowed the SS to efficiently dispose
>of the corpses.

The Nazis could have built Treblinka-style "fuel pits" for cremation
on site instead of trucking these people over hell's half acre at
great expense and trouble for no reason.

># It just don't make sense.
>
>Of course it does.

Bullshit.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Sat, 07 Dec 1996 14:58:53 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>(Willy the Grossvendor prattleth)
>>
>>>If you feel that CENSHORSHIP should not be tolerated, then contact
>>>postmaster@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca, as well as the Auditor General of
>>>Canada, the Edmonton Journal,and other Canadian media.
>>
>>Postmaster, Edmonton FreeNet:
>>
>>Congratulations on your strong demonstration regarding adherance
>>to EFN's Terms of Service. Mr. Grosvenor showed little interest in
>>obeying the terms he accepted as a freenet user, and your patience
>>was commendible. In the end, however, ISPs have no other option
>>than enforcement of their terms. The alternative is chaos.
>>
>>Kenneth McVay
>>The Nizkor Project
>
>	Hilary, is that you? What have you done with McVay?
>
>	Anyway, Nizkor boasts it's for freedom of speech and yet here we
>have applause for someone getting thrown off some service.

This is the typical Nizkook ingenuous reasoning.  They "support" free
speech.  (sic)  Then when someone in Germany is thrown into jail for
disbelieving a patently idiotic Jewish historical scam, or cut-off
>from  an ISP for political incorrectness based on forged, trumped-up,
false allegations, the Nizkooks priggishly assert:  "he didn't obey
the law" or "he violated the ISP contract."    Yeah.  These guys are
regular champions for "free speech" (U) alright.   

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On 7 Dec 1996 16:54:26 GMT, gbobkiew@gpu4.srv.ualberta.ca (Greg
Bobkiewicz) wrote:

>tom moran (tm@pacificnet.net) wrote:
>: 	Anyway, Nizkor boasts it's for freedom of speech and yet here we
>: have applause for someone getting thrown off some service.

>	Bullshit. Grosvenazi was harrassing people, 

Because the Jewish definition of "harrassment" is notoriously broad
and known to encompass all inconvenient facts concerning the
"Holocaust", Jewish media control, criticism of Israel's atrocities
against Palestinians, and criticism of Jews in general, the
highly-influential Jewish establishment is the most dangerous threat
to Western free speech in existence.

>so he was punished accordingly.  

Right.

>Besides, anti-semites are usually the same type of people who would 
>censor other peoples freedom of speech.

I get it.   "Pre-emptive" censoring is OK.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 8 Dec 1996 02:09:45 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   the criminal Giwer blows it again:
>>  On 6 Dec 1996 03:57:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>  >	The cost estimated by a reputable laboratory (used by the NJ State 
>>  >Police) was under $2000.   The deal was, as well, that Nizkor would pay all costs 
>>  >if it turned out not to be Himmler.
>
>>  >	Put up or shut up.
>  
>>  	As the tape is in the custody of a US government agency and since
>>  the FBI laboratories are a short one hour drive away, it is unclear
>>  why this has not been done already.  
>
>	It is only unclear to you.  The voice was identified as Himmler's only a few 
>kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.

The tape is a likely forgery like so much else in the Holohoax.  

>>  	But since it has not been done, it is inadmissable as evidence.
>
>
>	You are absolutely wrong.  Which, given your utter ignorance of Rules 
>of Evidence is no surprise.  The voice was identified.  That is all that is required.  To 
>use one of your favorite analogies, the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson being 
>attacked by O.J. was admitted into evidence although it was never subjected to a 
>voice print.  It is the burden of those making the objection to provide such material.

The defense can challenge foundation otherwise anyone can produce a
any tape saying anything and have it admitted without the need for any
testing whatsoever.   Revisionists challenge the tape and it would not
be permitted without authentication.  

Considering that the legal system most consists of lying scum like
yourself and since OJ walked free how conclusive is a legal
determination anyway. 

>>  But then of course the chain of custody would also have to be
>>  establihsed.  
>
>	A piece of cake.  Especially in a U.S. federal court.  You call the archivist 
>of the National Archives (where the tape resides).  Put him on the stand for fivve 
>minutes then, if a civil trial, make a motionto the judge for attorney's and witness fees 
>for frivolously requiring proof.  He grants it without hesitation.
>
>	--YFE

Considering the trickery and falsehood associated with the Holocaust
and questionable circumstances surrounding the tape no judge worth his
robe would permit the tape to be admitted without further testing.
The tape is inadmissible.  Too bad your little Himmler tape is
worthless.  Care to authenticate?

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.



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On 8 Dec 1996 02:41:24 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   the criminal Giwer makes an ass of himself:
>>  On 5 Dec 1996 20:34:15 -0500, karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L.
>>  Power) wrote:
>
>>  >WhoKnows@dot.tod (Elevated) writes:
>
>>  >>	However in a fair trial such a question would be impermissable and
>>  >>would be striken from the record.  
>
>>  >Oh yeah, right. Then addle-pated loons like yourself would talk
>>  >about a conspiracy to hide what went on at Nuremburg. You'll pardon
>>  >me if I don't look to you as a source of legal advice, Matt, since
>>  >you've already proven yourself incompetent about so many other
>>  >subjects, including some in which you allegedly once held professional
>>  >qualifications.
>  
>>  	Objection, the question lacks foundation.
>
>	Overrules.  This is *cross-examination* you idiot.

Please provide support that it was "cross-examination" rather than
direct examination, slithering Yalie-poo.  Hint:  this may be a
set-up.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 16:40:54 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>
>	Identifying or verifying mass graves from the existing photos of
>Treblinka taken in 1944 is not possible. In fact the photos suggest
>nothing was buried there.
>
>	Well known to the world of botany is the fact that certain plants
>prefer certain kinds of soil. This means they would thrive better in
>one kind than another, and it would be noticeable. Try growing a patch
>of tomatoes say, in sandy clay and another in highly organic humus
>soil and you will get two very distinct results. 
>
>	Geologic studies clearly show that soils in any particular area
>have a sequential composition from the surface on down to lower
>depths. The surface layer of soil over bedrock is known as regolith.
>Thus we could have a sandy composition near the surface with it
>changing to clay as we dig down. Whatever the local composition, it
>will be one thing at the surface and something lower down. Even if we
>had sand going down the 20 feet, the sand at the surface would be
>modified by the growing and dying of vegetation. Thus, if we took a
>quantity of soil from the surface and a quantity from say 20 feet down
>and then grew the same kind of plants in it, we would get a different
>results from one to the other. Thusly too, if we dug a trench and then
>filled it back in, the sequences would be mixed and that at the
>surface would now be different from the adjacent area. 
>
>	Aerial photographs of Treblinka show agriculture having been
>expanded around the area identified as the camp, with some it
>extending right into the area. Not only this, the expansion has taken
>place right over some of where the mass graves were said to have been.
>
>	In the case of the aerial photographs of Treblinka we can not see
>any signs of difference in the encroaching agriculture over the grave
>site area and the field it extends from. The part over the alleged
>grave sites that has not been cultivated tends to be homogeneous with
>the rest in the immediate proximity.  

Poor little Holocaust.   "Is it dead yet?"  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 9 Dec 1996 01:09:00 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>  >	You are absolutely wrong.  Which, given your utter ignorance of Rules 
>>  >of Evidence is no surprise.  The voice was identified.  That is all that is 
>required.  To 
>>  >use one of your favorite analogies, the 911 tape of Nicole Brown Simpson 
>being 
>>  >attacked by O.J. was admitted into evidence although it was never subjected 
>to a 
>>  >voice print.  It is the burden of those making the objection to provide such 
>material.
>  
>>  The defense can challenge foundation otherwise anyone can produce a
>>  any tape saying anything and have it admitted without the need for any
>>  testing whatsoever.   Revisionists challenge the tape and it would not
>>  be permitted without authentication.  
>
>	Not on cross-examination.  Foundation comes after the denial.  Second 
>all that is required is that of the archivist.  Once that is done the burden rests on 
>the objector to demonstrate that it not authentic.  That is the point where we are 
>now.

The current point is a tape that is unauthenticated and therefore
worthless, the Holocausters being too cowardly to authenticate.  If it
was genuine it would be tested in a heartbeat, the Holocausters being
desperate for anything even remotely resembling physical evidence.
If the Holocaust Industry hasn't authenticated yet one can rest
assured it is indeed most likely worthless.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.




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On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 00:13:58 -0600, civil@anet-stl.com (Parker
Beatley) wrote:

>Guess what? The Jews in Israel? They hate immigrants, too. Read on....
>
>
>Bjt,0907 Israelis Alarmed as Foreign Workers Sink Roots in Holy Land AP
>Photo TLV102 Mon 12/02/96 02:55:25 pm
>
>By DAN PERRY Associated Press Writer
>
>
>TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) - It's a balmy fall afternoon in south Tel Aviv.
>Romanian construction workers drink cheap beer. Africans stroll toward a
>basement church. Polish laborers watch a TV broadcast from Warsaw.
>
>The bustling neighborhood of Neve Sha'anan, around an abandoned bus
>station, has become a symbol of a new wave of foreigners sinking roots in
>the holy land, much to the dismay of many Israelis.
>
>The foreigners bring with them a variety of tastes, ethnicities and
>religions. And in nation built on immigration - by Jews, that is - the
>non-Jewish influx has prompted proposals for a mass expulsion.
>
>Yossi Unger, for one, is none too happy with his new, non-Jewish
>neighbors. ``Look at these East Europeans, drinking barrels of beer and
>urinating on the sidewalk,'' sniffed Unger, a Neve Sha'anan resident who
>himself immigrated from Hungary after World War II.

Aw.  Poor little Jews.  I guess Jews like to have Europe and America
flooded with foreign immigrants who do a lot more than piss on
sidewalks, but Jews don't want it in "their" country.  

They can sure dish it out but they can't take it.

>The worst thing, Unger said, was foreigners like his Indian neighbor
>establishing pre-schools for Israelis and ``educating our children in a
>different culture.''

Oooh.  If someone expressed the same sentiment the consensus of Jews
in America would consider that "racist".  Yet Jews can moan about
"their" country being invaded."  Oi vey what god-awful hypocrites.

>Interior Ministry official Batya Carmon said that without a crackdown,
>``all the foreigners will get married and stay in Israel, and it will be a
>catastrophe.''

Really?  You mean a catastrophe like what happened in America after
Jewish influence and Jewish media control effected massive foreign
immgration?    You mean a catastrophe of "precious Israel" being
turned into the same third-world sewer American cities are turning
into under Jewish influence? 

"It was only after World War II that immigration law was drastically 
changed....In one of the first pieces of evidence of its political 
coming-of-age, the Jewish community has a leadership role in effecting
those changes." Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, July 23, 1993.

"The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American 
population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all
be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a
Nazi-Aryan party  will be able to prevail in this country." Earl Raab,
Jewish Bulletin, February 19, 1993.

>Some residents of Neve Sha'anan complain not only that their new neighbors
>are non-Jews but also that they make the neighborhood dangerous. Haim
>Barazani gestures to syringes strewn in his backyard. The foreigners, he
>says, ``attract brothels, which leads to crime and drug addicts roaming
>the area.''

Poor Jew, suffering a little from wonderful "diversity" his ilk so
ardently promotes in -other- nations.   But these Jewish complaints
about foreign immigrants -aren't- racism.  I got it.

>Zeev Friedman, director of the city's welfare department, blamed the
>central government for not improving conditions. ``They have no health
>insurance or vaccination, so they can spread diseases,'' he said. ``Their
>living conditions are a disgrace to humanity.''

Your people's hypocrisy is a disgrace to humanity.

>Labor Minister Eli Yishai called for rounding up unauthorized workers into
>camps to await deportation, drawing protests from Israelis for whom such
>references conjured up images of the Holocaust.

I guess it didn't matter when Israelis did that and far worse to
Palestinians.   

>For their part, foreign workers complain that contractors fail to pay them
>or provide livable accommodations.
>
>``I wasn't paid for six months,'' said Grigore Tit, a 29-year-old
>mechanical engineer from Romania who was dolefully drinking beer with a
>dozen colleagues. ``The contractors just laugh at us. They know there is
>no justice for Romanians in Israel.''

No matter what happens, nothing is going to threaten the billions in
aid every year to Israel.  Butchering civilians through shelling
didn't threaten that.   The U.S. Congress sucks the toejamb of the
Jew.   So what.  

>Hannah Zohar, who heads a labor lobby called ``A Hand for the Worker,''
>said at least half these contract workers are treated unfairly. The
>problem: contract workers are authorized to work only for one employer,
>``creating a sort of enslavement,'' Zohar said.
>
>``If the employer doesn't pay, or beats the workers or makes them live in
>inhuman conditions, and they want to leave, they are branded `illegal.'
>It's sick,'' she said.
>
>``Society tolerates it simply because these people are not Jews.''

And the U.S. funds Israel's atrocities because those people -are-
Jews.  What else is new.

Kurt Stele

"We don't believe in multinational states," said Israeli Labor Health
Minister, Ephraim Sneh. "It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is
full of horrifying examples of what happens in multinational states.
Separation is the only way to build a reasonable co-existence here." 

(Canada's Maclean's magazine for June 10, 1996.) 

Yet Jews and the Jewish media are in the forefront of multiracialism
in White lands -- the movement which is destroying the White race.
Evidently, Jews want White homelands to be subjected to racial
integration and but not "their country."


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: kurt stele and his nuremberg "cite"
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On 8 Dec 1996 02:27:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   the Criminal Giwer shows his ignorance of the law again:
>>  On 6 Dec 1996 20:41:49 -0500, karlpov@access1.digex.net (Charles R.L.
>>  Power) wrote:
>
>>  >Just to bend over backward, I'll say that it isn't clear to me
>>  >whether, when he started the questioning, Jackson did or didn't
>>  >believe in the machine, or whether the rumors might have some
>>  >basis in reality. However, it's crystal-clear that he didn't 
>>  >charge anyone with using such a device, so it would seem to any
>>  >reasonable observer that at worst, he accepted Speer's representation
>>  >that the rumors were fantasies and abandoned any plans he may 
>>  >have had to make such charges.
>
>>  >(Or our torturers failed to adequately instruct Speer that he was
>>  >supposed to back up the reports so we could persecute more innocent
>>  >Germans.... Why didn't we pull off a couple of the sumbitch's fingers,
>>  >anyhow?)
>  
>>  	Rather to point out again, the question was without foundation and
>>  as such would be inadmissable in a fair trial.  
>  
>>  	But under those rules, they would have had to provide a foundation
>>  for the mass execution witness testimony also.  That would have ruined
>>  everything.
>
>	It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool.  Foundation is presented 
>*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the 
>assertion.  Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated as 
>propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go further.
>
>	If you wnat to write about law, stop getting your legal ideas from Perry 
>Mason reruns.
>
>	--YFE

Jackson clearly did not "ask" if the story was circulated as
propaganda.   Jackson presented it as a true event and Jackson even
said he had evidence indicating the story was true.  

Still trying dazzle 'em with lies wrapped in legalese, eh Yale?
Putting your law degree to good work I see. 

Kurt Stele   

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 9 Dec 1996 01:21:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 8 Dec 1996 02:27:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  >	It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool.  Foundation is presented 
>>  >*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the 
>>  >assertion.  Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated as 
>>  >propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go further.
>>  >
>>  >	If you wnat to write about law, stop getting your legal ideas from Perry 
>>  >Mason reruns.
>
>>  Jackson clearly did not "ask" if the story was circulated as
>>  propaganda.   Jackson presented it as a true event and Jackson even
>>  said he had evidence indicating the story was true.  
>
>	Yes, dummy. That's how cross examination works.  For example, if Giwer 
>was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:

>	"I have a document in front of me that state  that Hebrew is not the 
>official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah.  Is that true or 
>false?"
>
>	The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of the 
>document.

>JACKSON:  Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, 
>of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would 
>like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.  

Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
detail about the claim.   

>The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete 
>way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of 
>shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, 
>and this is the experiment, as I am advised.  A village, a small 
>village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and 
>in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put.  By means of this 
>newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people  
>were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way 
>that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive 
>developed, temperatures of  from 400o to 500o centigrade and 
>destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.  

>Do you know about that experiment?

Jackson asks Speer whether or not Speer knew of this "experiment."
That Jackson was seriously questioning Speer about a Nazi evaporation
device reveals the depth of absurdity in the Nuremberg Show Trial,
along with the quality of the "information" presented there (sic).  

>>  Still trying dazzle 'em with lies wrapped in legalese, eh Yale?
>>  Putting your law degree to good work I see. 
>
>	No just trying to explain to some rather stupid and dishonest people how 
>you lied.
>
>	--YFE

Yale likes to rely on his law degree to help foist his whoppers.  Too
bad Yale Eideken's already proved himself a bald-faced liar.  Tsk tsk,
Yale:  still no shame?

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 8 Dec 1996 20:00:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   dvdthomas@aol.com writes:
>>  Ken McVay writes:
>
>>  >As Mr. Blackmore/Bellinger has shown himself to be a strong
>>  >supporter of Mr. Irving, and his veracity, he would seem to have
>>  >hoisted himself to rather dismal heights with this business of the
>>  >Himmler tape.
>  
>>  How does one hoist himself to any heights at all over an anthill?
>>  Guess it depends on your perspective.
>
>	Actually blackmore's reponses have risen to a certain height.  
>Collected under one heading they would represent an almost encyclopedic 
>conpendium of weaseling.  About the only one he has missed in his frantic 
>squirmings has been "I never said that."
>
>	--YFE

Yale, I don't think very many can top you as a weasel.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 21:44:42 GMT, minesweeper@navy.water (Force)
wrote:

>On 9 Dec 1996 05:30:31 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>>   The Criminal Giwer one more demonstrates his ignorance of the IMT:
>>>  On 8 Dec 1996 02:18:16 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>
>>>  >	Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,  each 
>>of 
>>>  >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being 
>>subject 
>>>  >to cross-examination.  Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.  
>>None made 
>>>  >the claim that the Holocaust was a "manufactured event."
>>  
>>>  	More specific to your statement, perhaps you can explain why Goring
>>>  was not permitted to make his statement?  
>>
>>	I find it impossible to explain.  I am in this position becasue I can find 
>>no indication that he was prevented from doing so.  In fact, Telford Taylor in 
>>"The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials" states;
>>
>>	A guard holding a pole with a microphone moved it within Goering's 
>>reach and he rose to speak:
>>
>>	"The prosecution in the final speeches, has treated the defendants 
>>and their testimony as completely worthless.  The statements made under oath 
>>by the defendants were accepted as absolutely true when when they could 
>>serve to support the Indictment, but conversely the statements were 
>>characterized as perjurt when they refuted the Indictment.  That is very 
>>elementary, but it is not a convincing basis for demonstration of proof."
>>
>>	Those who may have expected that Goering would say something 
>>remarkable were surely disappointed.  The flat denial that he had knowledge of 
>>the "terrible mass murders" which he condemned and "cannot understand" was 
>>followed with claims that he "did not want a war" and did not "bring it about."  
>>Only at the end of a short and very dull speech did Goering speak of his country: 
>>"the only motive which guided me was my ardent love for my people, its 
>>happiness, its freedom and its life.  And for this I call on the Almighty and my 
>>German people to witness."
>>
>>	But such words from such a man did not ring true.  Papen was beside 
>>himself and at the luncheon break furiously attacked Goering: "Who in the world 
>>is responsible for all this destruction if not you? . . . You haven't taken the 
>>resposibility for anything!  All you do is make bombastic speeches.  It is 
>>disgraceful!"  Goering laughed at him, but nobody joined in, and Goering won no 
>>praise for his effort."
>>
>>	--pages 535-6 (First Paperback Edition)
>>
>>	Now you can go tell your handlers that they have, once more, 
>>misinformed you.
>
>	I was referring to his attempted reading of an opening statement as
>follows.  
>
>	"As Reichsmarschall of the Greater German Reich, I assume political
>resonsibility for my own acts.  Although answerable for these acts
>only to the German people and to the Germany courts, I am nevertheless
>willing without recognizing the jurisdiction of this Tribunal, to
>provide it with any explanations that are desired and to speak the
>whole truth.  I do however refuse to accept responsibility for acts
>committed by others -- acts of which I was unaware and which I would
>not have approved of or been able to prevent had I known of them."
>
>	Sir Geoffrey Lawrence refused to let him read this statement.
>
>	Now that you know the pretense that he did not object to the
>jursidiction of the IMT is over.  

Oh yes.  At Nuremberg the German defendants were given every
imaginable right afforded to all defendants in American courts today
(sic).   Poor Yale.  He's committed to having to defend the Nuremberg
Kangaroo Court as a "fair trial."   Of course, being a liar, it all
comes quite naturally to him.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.



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On 9 Dec 1996 01:13:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>  In article <58d8h8$o1t@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>>  >       Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,  each of 
>>  >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without being 
>subject 
>>  >to cross-examination.  Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.  None 
>made 
>>  >the claim that the Holocaust was a "manufactured event."
>
>>  But it was not allowed to question whether the holocaust had happened in
>>  the first place.
>
>	You are lying.  Please cite me a section of the Charter, a ruling by the 
>Tribunal, or any objection to such evidence that was sustained on general 
>grounds.
>
>	Sory, nazi boy, no limits whatsoever were placed upon the *content* of 
>the statements of the defendants.
>
>	--YFE

No limits whatsoever.  Just several swift kicks in the nuts.  That's
all.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.



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On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:44:31 GMT, minesweeper@navy.water (Force)
wrote:

>	Gee, what was done but to point out that this 200,000 claim is
>absurd? ridiculous? something rational person would not take
>seriously?  
>
>	Since when is pointing out the obvious part of the definition of
>"neo-nazi"?  Does that make the boy who pointed out the emperor had no
>clothes a "proto-nazi"?  
>
>	Rathere why do you ignorant assholes stand against expression of
>the obvious truths.  Can't stand them?  Why?  

Because truth threatens the $ and privileged status the Holohoax
confers, of course.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:52:34 GMT, minesweeper@navy.water (Force)
wrote:

>On 12 Dec 1996 05:28:05 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>
>>Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>>Distribution: 
>>
>>Force (minesweeper@navy.water) wrote:
>>
>>: 	Who rattled your cage?  Would you care to post an address and phone
>>: number so that it can be verified that a Jason Kodish actually exists?
>>
>>
>>You have all the verification you need.  
>
>	Precisely, none at all.  
>
>>: 	But it is good to see you have such blood lust.  Does that mean you
>>
>>Your kind will never kill us again, nazi. Never. You will die first.
>
>	Six million?  We should have been so lucky.

It is awesome to witness the chain-effect of a lie in action; the
belief of the lie, the consequent paranoia from the lie, and the
consequent braggadocio never to let the lie happen again.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 





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On 10 Dec 1996 23:30:05 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Force (minesweeper@navy.water) wrote:
>
>: 	Why would anyone honor a bunch of losers?  
>
>: 	And the more people who know the truth, the fewer fools there will
>
>Just remember this, you nazi pile of dung. Next time your kind wants to be
>trying another holocost, we'll be waiting with nuclear weapons to
>exterminate you once and for all.

Actually you Jews already owe us several truckloads of money plied
>from  the fake holocaust.   Do you think we're going to just forget
about all that?

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44) . 



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On 12 Dec 1996 05:26:30 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Force (minesweeper@navy.water) wrote:
>: On 11 Dec 1996 15:13:16 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>
>
>: 	And given that their weapons are in the 20-60 kT range it will be
>: interesting to compare the effects of the exchange when 20MTonners are
>: assigned to Israeli targets.  
>
>
>Oh, don't worry, pustulant little nazi. Your kind will be killed by
>Americans fighting for freedom on American soil.
>Yeah, Matt Gibber, you can laugh as American soldiers riddle your nazi ass
>with bullets and give you the horrible agonizing death you so rightly
>deserve.
>You think we'll march to the concentration camps so willingly?
>We'll take you down, blood for blood.

Actually Jews would be nothing without parasitism on the goyim.  It
must be hard being a parasite at times.  Your triumph is always
incomplete.  You want to gloat about your victory yet you can't do it
loudly lest the goyim throw the Jews out again as has been done
repeatedly throughout history.  You think yourself invincible?  

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44).  



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On 12 Dec 1996 05:23:58 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Force (minesweeper@navy.water) wrote:
>
>
>: lucky to be saying anything at this point.  When Israel attacked the
>: Liberty, two nuke armed planes were targeted on Israel.  It is
>: unfortunate the response was not made at the time.       
>
>
>Huh? I don't recall Israel ever attacking any American ships. More of your
>delusions?

Ignorant sod.

>: 	And if you folks succeed in drawing the US into a war in the middle
>: east for the support of Israel, remember just which nation has about a
>
>The United States government fought against nazis like you in WWII.
>You were slaughtered. If so, the States and all the Free world will stand
>again to exterminate your kind forever.

You'll be facing several factions this time including hundreds of
millions of Arabs.  You think you can keep nukes out of Islamic hands
forever?  

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44).  



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On 12 Dec 1996 03:52:02 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   the criminal Giwer charges:
>>  On 10 Dec 1996 22:44:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>  >>      We know that Matt Giwer has no assets worth pursuing in a libel
>>  >>  action.  How about you? 
>
>>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
>  
>>  	A typical kike shyster suggesting a harrassing lawsuit knowing full
>>  well he is making another jew terrorist suggestion.  
>
>	NO!   I am suggesting that a person who you have, with malice, lied 
>about consider a a legal action against one of the parties responsible for that 
>tortious act.  Of course, you do not like it.  It would interfer with your deliberate and 
>illegal harassment of others.
>
>	--YFE

What a kike shyster.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 12 Dec 1996 05:49:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) writes:
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  chuckf2323@aol.com writes
>
>>  > I'm looking for your follow-ups to the original thread. Since Giwer has
>>  > goaded you to take what I wrote out of context, and now accuse me of 
>being
>>  > a war criminal who should be sent to Germany for trial, I think you both
>>  > need to double check your own writing, and exactly what I wrote in
>>  > context, in order for your lies to be corrected. Whether an apology is
>>  > issued, makes no difference to me, although I do believe one is in order,
>>  > but being labeled a war criminal is pretty harsh business.
>>  > Chuck Ferree
>  
>>  Chuck, my old files show the following quote from one of your old
>>  posts, dated prior to 27 Nov, 1996:
>  
>>  > Sure the RAF bombed civilians, the US Air Force bombed civilians, The
>>  > German-Austrians bombed civilians, before any one else...in Spain and
>>  > Ethiopia. Japan bombed civilians, hell every one with airplanes bombed
>>  > civilians. I personally bombed civilians and strafed them too. It was
>>  > a war, man!
>
>>  According to this, you stated that you personally bombed civilians and
>>  strafed them too.  So:
>  
>>  If you did knowingly and intentionally bomb and strafe civilians,
>>  then yes, Chuck, I believe that your actions would fall within
>>  the definition of a war crime.  The conclusion about your particular
>>  status would follow from that.
>
>	Your definition is incomplete.  You are, unfortunately, leaving 
>something out of the equation.  Specifically the phrase "of no military 
>significance."  There is nothing "criminal" about attacking civilians contributing 
>to the war effort.  

Then the Nazi systematic extermination of Jewish civiliians, had it
actually happened, is justified according to your reasoning.   Jews
had declared war on Germany in 1933 and were heavily involved in
partisan effort.  

>>  So you see, Chuck;  we Nazi's aren't so evil after all, are we?  And
>>  we never were.  The government lied to you about us, and about Adolf
>>  Hitler.  If you only knew the brilliance of the Fuhrer's vision;
>>  if you would only open your eyes to the truth of Mein Kampf, you
>>  would see that National Socialism is the best hope for the future
>>  of the world!  
>
>	Unless, of course, if you are a gypsy, a Jew, A Pole, A Slovak, a 
>Czech, a Slovene, a Slav, a "useless life" or any other member of a group that 
>your heros considered inferior.  In that case, you "best hope" would be a quick 
>death.  The alternative was slavery or slow starvation.
>
>	--YFE

Still spouting the same old discredited propaganda while
simultaneously justifying the actual genocide of Germans through
carpet bombings.  Ah you're a "good Jew" Yale.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.




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On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:13:15 GMT, minesweeper@navy.water (Force)
wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Dec 1996 18:35:38 GMT, syegul@ix.netcom.com (Serdar
>Yegulalp) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 7 Dec 1996 11:24:54 -0800, zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel
>>Repost) wrote:
>>
>>>"I guess I don't understand the problem of "judging men for their
>>>actions...using subsequent knowledge gained 40+ years after the fact." What
>>>choice do we have when knowledge (truth) is suppressed for decades? When
>>>the truth finally comes out, we judge people based on it. What else is
>>>there to do? If you live your life based on certain assumptions, and then
>>>years later the assumptions turn out to have been wrong, what do you do?
>>>Stick to them, or adapt to the new reality?
>>
>>And she wonders why people bother to try and track down Nazi fugitives.
>>
>>>We shouldn't be fascinated merely with the details of the war, the battles,
>>>the weapons, the personalities. As Americans we should be more interested
>>>in US policy which got us into that war, and especially the US policy which
>>>was enunciated and put into concrete at Yalta, with our Soviet and British
>>>allies. This US-UK-USSR policy condemned hundreds of millions of people,
>>>from Germany to China, to slavery, torture and death, starting immediately
>>>with the US Army's OPERATION KEELHAUL and the British Army's OPERATION
>>>EASTWIND, in which millions of Russians, Cossacks, Ukrainians, Germans and
>>>other Europeans were rounded up, put in boxcars and sent into the gulags to
>>>die.
>>
>>How is this in any way supposed to absolve Nazi Germany of its own crimes?
>>
>>Isn't moral relativism fun? All you have to do to remove blame for one
>>group's actions is to say someone else did the same thing, and poof! you're
>>scot-free.
>
>	Rather perhaps the most dispicable human trait is hypocrisy.  It is
>not absolution of one but pointing out the equally guilty condemned
>the other in victory.  
>
>	Quite honestly, what did the Nazis have to gain or lose by fighting
>a clean or dirty war?  If they won, it would not matter.  If they
>lost, it would not matter.  
>
>	With this kind of example victor's justice, why should any future
>war be fought in any but the dirtiest manner?  
>
>>>Thought for the Day (found on page 140 by opening the "The New American
>>>Man" at random):
>>>
>>>"So, where did the six million figure come from?  From thin air."
>>
>>You only wish.
>
>	If you are interested in a short discussion of the number read this
>one.  
>
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/6holo.html

Go there are read about how the 6 million number was not taken out of
thin air but rather from the same hoax-claim made as early as 1919
and thereafter.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
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On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:03:27 -0500, "Michael H. Klein"
 wrote:

>     O.K., Mr. McKinney.  Let's put you to the test.  Quote your
>Talmudic sources.  Give  the mesechta and blatt (such as Kiddushin 12b)
>where they are located.  Then I'll believe you.
>
>     One more question:  When you learn gemara, do you learn with
>Rishonim or only with Rashi and Tosfos?
>
>
>								Michael Klein

Read the Jewish professor Shahak on the Talmud yourself.  Don't try to
hide the Talmud.  It's well-known the perversion and pathological
anti-goy hatred it contains.  That is most interesting in light of the
fact it is considered the Holiest Jewish book.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human
("Only ye are designated men"). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the
sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women
are designated animals ("she-asses").

Jews are Divine Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the
Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile
("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an
Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an
ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be
in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object
lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.
(Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to
an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost
article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a
Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals
>from  a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies
("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are
animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from
birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a
worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"

Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled "hot
excrement".

Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New
Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish
History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Yebamoth 63a . Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Genocide Advocated by Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10.
This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog
("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original
Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish
Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore
Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The
Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the
reading has been altered, The best among the Egyptians being generally
substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens"
(Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b]. Israelis annually take part in a
national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this
rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. ("Jewish Press" of
June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an
orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians,
including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein
was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view
of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS "60 Minutes",
"Kahane").

Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldsteins
philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence
against "goyim," a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26,
1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish
blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June
6, 1989, p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not
worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

------end text-------

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44) 


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On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:04:39, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <199612120033.QAA01666@mailmasher.com> Seneca  writes:
>
>
>>>And he is an immense coward.  Afraid to show his blockhead anywhere near a
>>>place where public debate can take place.
>
>>If he's as crazy as all of the Holocaust (TM) Fanatics claim, why is he so
>>near the top of the Zionist terrorist gangs' lists?  And as you well know,
>
>Used to be that Pravda would start any of its traditional lies with, "As is 
>well known."  I guess you wouldn't want that tradition to die, would you?
>
>>it's McVay who avoids debate.
>
>Then tell your asshole buddy Zundel that McVay and a bunch of other amateurs 
>are here, and are prepared to begin the debate, say, now...
>
>... and watch him cower.  

Yeah, that's what they said last time.  I at least credit the Nizkor
Synagogue with the brains to realize that McVay is worthless to defend
the Hollowcause in public debate and would do it far more harm than
good.  The Holocausters can only be ever in a state of permanent
retreat, indefinitely in "damage control" mode.    

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 10 Dec 1996 22:56:06 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 9 Dec 1996 01:21:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> 
>>  >>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  >>  On 8 Dec 1996 02:27:57 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) 
>wrote:
>
>>  >>  >	It was *cross-examination* you ignorant fool.  Foundation is presented 
>>  >>  >*after* the question and then only when the witness denies the truth f the 
>>  >>  >assertion.  Since the follow-up question asked if the story was circulated 
>as 
>>  >>  >propaganda and Speer stated that it was, there was no need to go 
>further.
>
>>  >>  Jackson clearly did not "ask" if the story was circulated as
>>  >>  propaganda.   Jackson presented it as a true event and Jackson even
>>  >>  said he had evidence indicating the story was true.  
>
>>  >	Yes, dummy. That's how cross examination works.  For example, if 
>Giwer 
>>  >was being cross-examined it would be acceptable to ask:
>  
>>  >	"I have a document in front of me that state  that Hebrew is not the 
>>  >official language of Israel but used only for reading the Torah.  Is that true or 
>>  >false?"
>
>>  >	The question neither states nor implies that I believe the contents of 
>the 
>>  >document.
>  
>>  >JACKSON:  Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, 
>>  >of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would 
>>  >like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.  
>  
>>  Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
>>  detail about the claim.   
>
>	Not when you read the question and the follow-up questions which 
>clearly indicate that it was cross-examination on the propaganda stories 
>circulated.

Jackson didn't ask Speer if it was a propaganda story.  Instead
Jackson presented the facts associated with it as true. 
  
>>  >The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete 
>>  >way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of 
>>  >shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, 
>>  >and this is the experiment, as I am advised.  A village, a small 
>>  >village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and 
>>  >in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put.  By means of this 
>>  >newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people  
>>  >were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way 
>>  >that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive 
>>  >developed, temperatures of  from 400o to 500o centigrade and 
>>  >destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.  
>  
>>  >Do you know about that experiment?
>  
>>  Jackson asks Speer whether or not Speer knew of this "experiment."
>>  That Jackson was seriously questioning Speer about a Nazi evaporation
>>  device reveals the depth of absurdity in the Nuremberg Show Trial,
>>  along with the quality of the "information" presented there (sic).  
>
>
>	Since Speer admitted that such stories were circulated, Jackson's 
>cross seems to be dead on.  

If Jackson wanted to ask Speer about the veracity of the story or the
use of propaganda Jackson would have.  Jackson didn't.  

>Now post the follow-up questions.  And while you're 
>at it, post something that shows this something other than cross-examination as 
>you have claimed.

You have never posted it was direct or cross-examination as you have
been asked to do.   If the excerpt is cross-examination you have yet
to prove it and if you do it still does not help.   Jackson presented
it as a serious claim and one that actually happened.  U.S Prosecutors
were thus inquiring into "Jew vaporization devices" at Nuremberg.  So
much for the "credibility" (sic) of the Nuremberg trials. 

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.




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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:29:21 GMT, rchason@smart.net.NO.SPAM.PLEASE
(Lee Jackson Beauregard) wrote:

>jstuart@tristar.org (Jim Stuart) wrote:
>
>>Chuck, I firmly believe that the negative image that people have of
>>Nazi's is more an externalization of the adverse aspects of their own
>>personalities than anything done by National Socialists.
>
>Excellent!  Silence your opponent by flinging psychobabble at him.
>
>>Did the
>>allies do a lot of cruel, destructive things?  Sure they did;  that
>>is the role of armed services, after all.  They must kill people and
>>break things.  But don't start claiming that one side is all good,
>>and the other all bad.  And when a person on one side starts taking
>>pride in killing off civilians;  well, Chuck, I put the question to
>>you.  What would YOU call a person who brags about killing civilians?
>
>Answer me this:  who wanted war?
>
>Britain?  France?  They were willing to sell out Czechoslovakia for peace.

Britain and France declared war on Germany.

>The USA?  The USA didn't even *enter* the war until 1941!

The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to
provoke Hitler into a war.

>Who wanted war?  The *NAZISCHWEIN* wanted war!  The Nazischwein attacked
>Poland, with no provocation whatsoever.

The Soviets attacked Finland and Poland invaded nearby territory as
well.  And there was no declaration of war against them but only
against Germany.

>>So you see, Chuck;  we Nazi's aren't so evil after all, are we?  And
>>we never were.
>
>Then why the massacre of the Jews?  Why did the Nazischwein attack Poland?  If
>the Nazischwein were such angels, there would have been no war in Europe!

War in Europe was inevitable because of Versailles.  Versailles was
precipitated by the last-second defeat of Germany made possible only
through a  timely revolution staged by Jews in Germany (under Rosa
Luxembourg) to ensure Allied victory according to plan (The Balfour
Declaration struck between Jews and Britain to give the Jews
Palestine.).  There was never extermination of Jews by gassing or any
Reich plan ordered to exterminate Jews.   Had that been true the
Allies would have found no Jews left alive in the "deathcamps" upon
liberation.  

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44).  



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On 12 Dec 1996 01:44:34 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   the criminal Giwer, writing under an alias, his dishonest methodology:
>
>>  >:>On 8 Dec 1996 02:09:45 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  >:>>	It is only unclear to you.  The voice was identified as Himmler's only a 
>few 
>>  >:>>kooks like you have claimed it is a forgery.
>
>	To which the criminal Giwer engaged in his usual defamation and 
>invasion of pivacy:

Has Giwer been tried in a court of law as a "criminal"?  He hasn't
because you don't have the balls you whining wimpy Jew.    You're
labelling him as a "criminal" is slander and premature.   He isn't a
criminal unless found in a court of law.  Innocent until proven
guilty.  Didn't they teach you anything in law school besides how to
lie with a straight face, Yalie-poo?  I'm sure you were near the head
of your class.  Call it an "ethnic advantage."

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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The following article by Jack Killey recounts what happened to Ohio's
independent newsweekly, _The Gateway Press_, after the newspaper had
the audacity to question President Clinton's 2000% disproportionate
appointment of Jews to government positions, after Clinton promised
that his appointments would be "a reflection of the diversity of
America."  The  newspaper was viciously smeared and boycotted by
Cleveland area Jews and forced out of business.  The article
demonstrates that Jewish boycott can be as powerful a means of media
control as Jewish media ownership.  


                    F R E E S P E E C H

Vol. II, No. 7 

                      Media Control Close-up 

by Jack Killey 

Question: Do you really believe the Jews own the media? 

Answer: Most of it, yes. But they don't have to own it to control it. 

An object lesson in this distinction was the downfall of northeastern
Ohio's The Gateway Press, a general interest newsweekly to which I
devoted seven years of part-time work. A fierce smear campaign and
unremitting advertising boycott by Cleveland-area Jews -- many not
even in our circulation region -- caused the forced sale of a
newspaper that many readers trusted to deliver at least an
approximation of the truth about events in their communities. 

Until I wrote and my editor published a commentary casting a gimlet
eye on President Clinton's many Jewish appointees, I suppose most Jews
in the area, like our general readership, slotted us somewhere between
the kitty litter box and the refrigerator door. We had our admirers
and detractors, but no one accused The Gateway of being docile or
tepid in its coverage of local elections, proposed tax or school levy
issues, or other events that hit our readers where they lived. 

People bought our competitor, the daily flagship of a much larger
chain (who, ironically enough, later bought us out), to see who died
and whose kid made Little League player of the week. They read
Gateway, however, to see why cabals of doctors were fighting over the
location of a new medical center, or who was behind the push for
pro-homosexual curricula in their kids' schools, or which
city council had violated the "sunshine law" in a secret meeting last
week and why. If we had a news philosophy it was probably on the order
of a thorough libertarianism, and we tried as often as
possible to deliver both sides of any given story. 

But only 850 words on Clinton's appointments reduced our county, after
twelve years of an alternative, to its former bland diet of
one-newspaper pabulum. A barely measurable percentage of
our readership, none of whom ever refuted the commentary on its
particulars, managed to deprive some 48,000 readers of a reliable news
source in their communities. The Jews' "persecuted minority" mantle
is, I suppose, apropos for a race that showed a gift for the
theatrical long before they created Broadway and Hollywood. 

"You know, I never considered myself an anti-Semite until now," mused
one staffer, after another day of being cursed at by local shopkeepers
suddenly outraged by their advertising vehicle's callous
treatment of the Chosen Ones. "But I think they've made me one." 

I did not harbor any particular dislike of the Jews, racially or
religiously, when I composed the piece in question. I don't care much
for the ACLU-style leftist politics of most secular Jews in the United
States, and haven't since my turn towards social conservatism about 12
years ago. Strangely enough, I cut my teeth on the sort of activist
liberalism found in Jewish intellectual organs like The New Republic
and The Nation (and was even published in the latter), and spent more
of my college days than I care to remember trotting off to antiwar
rallies. I steeped myself in liberal ideas and methodology and, for a
variety of reasons, found them wanting. But I can't say that I began
to examine the woof and warp of liberalism's ideological crazy quilt
for specifically Jewish threads until I witnessed firsthand the rabid
response to a little article in a little paper. 

The commentary in question was published, as all my many commentaries
were, as my personal opinion, not as the editorial position of the
newspaper. The piece can be easily synopsized. I pointed out the high
percentage of Jews among Clinton's appointees, hardly representative
of his stated goal to have an administration that "looks like
America." I wondered how this might affect American foreign policy
towards Israel, and (this was the part that brought in the big guns
against us) ventured the opinion that this facet of the Clinton
administration was being deliberately obscured by a Jewish-dominated
American media establishment. 

You'd think I'd written a glowing reconsideration of Mein Kampf. My
editor's phone started jumping off her desk. Sales reps were screamed
at and thrown from premises by red-faced merchants who had previously
described us as an asset to the community. One of the more prominent
Jewish businessmen in the area wrote the editor a venomous letter
(specifying, of course, that it was not for publication) telling her,
"You can't say whether or not you're an anti-Semite. Only we can
decide that." 

Do you think the surrounding media establishment came to the defense
of one of their own embattled members as the pot began to boil beyond
the boundaries of Portage County, Ohio? Do you suppose that perhaps
they'd defend the First Amendment right of a 12-year-old mainstream
newspaper to publish controversial opinion articles? Think again. 

It took the Newhouse-owned Cleveland Plain Dealer about ten working
days to run a lead editorial titled "One For the Fish," written by
Plain Dealer staffer Carolyn Davis, a Jewess who in a personal whine
piece once stated her wish that every gun be wiped off the face of the
Earth (no liberal bias here). 

Carolyn was mad, and maybe a little jealous that I could write circles
around her.  She at least quoted the commentary's best sentence, which
was that Clinton "seated enough white European males to ensure that
America will be ruined in a competent, intelligent, and well-organized
fashion." Otherwise it was the stock denunciation of "anti-Semitic . .
. crap," seething with horrified disbelief that anyone could suggest
that Jews control America's media. Let's see, a Jewess writer for
Ohio's largest -- and Jew-owned --newspaper attacks a rural
Gentile-owned weekly in a lead editorial . . . doesn't sound like
control to me. 

The Cleveland Jewish News was even more generous, allotting a full
page to editor Cynthia Dettelbach herself rather than an underling. An
equally unexceptional attack it was, bristling with weasel words and
broad smears, but contradicting none of the commentary's content with
opposing facts regarding Clinton's appointees. I imagine the Jewish
News, like most of the other Jewish organs in the country, ran
bannered praise of Clinton's favoritism towards Jews in his
administration.  I guess it's only impolitic for Gentile publications
to notice it, another point I made in the commentary. 

This sort of notice by large media organs goes beyond "coverage" of a
hot topic. Neither publication took any interest in the community
served by The Gateway and probably cared even less who we,
the paper covering it, were. 

The Newhouse-owned Akron Beacon Journal ran no editorial hate pieces,
but they stayed on top of the unfolding events around that
"anti-Semitic" newspaper in Streetsboro. The Plain Dealer
nominally covered our county, but we beat them regularly in an area
they usually assigned to worn-out hacks in their Summit County bureau.
The point is, the sudden interest and overbearing coverage of a
heretofore unnoticed region of their circulation area was looking
mighty selective. We had touched on a topic that was . . .
unpermitted. A Jewish topic. And they were going to make
sure that the publication impertinent enough to raise the thorny issue
of Jewish power in the American oval office and the American media
wouldn't publish for long. 

The point man in the effort -- the visible one, anyway -- was Jerry
Brodsky, a Jewish principal in the largest and most affluent public
school district in our county. His most recent claim to fame had
been his opposition to the display of a Christmas tree at the
predominantly Gentile school he governed. 

Also an attorney and a resident of Beachwood, a heavily-Jewish and
affluent Cleveland bedroom suburb, "Jerry the Jew," as he became
less-than-affectionately known in the Gateway office, mounted a
secondary advertising boycott against us, sending high-minded letters
to many of our advertisers warning them of the business to be lost if
they continued to advertise with us. He wrote the letters under his
legal letterhead, though he took care to remind recipients this wasn't
official business (although he did remind them of his important
position in the school district). 

I don't think Jerry the Jew really scared anyone off, but he kept up
the momentum; the big advertisers who dropped us did so on their own
hoof. Jewish Rite Aid CEO Alex Grass suddenly took a personal interest
in the ad account of his rundown shop fifteen miles from us and pulled
their ads, declaring his offense at the article in a letter to us; Jew
Albert Klaben of Klaben Auto Stores, one of the region's
biggest-volume auto-supply chains, was equally miffed and yanked his
ads. Both were important accounts. Several smaller but regular
advertisers pulled one by one, and a large Cleveland-area grocery
chain, Gentile-owned but with stores in heavily Jewish Cleveland
suburbs, began shuffling their feet and "reconsidering" their account
in phone calls and letters to my editor. Nervous local Gentile bankers
and realtors called with weak offers of continuing support, but
whined about all the "bad publicity" we were getting. 

We kept the boycott on the front page and started asking questions
about the fine line between Jerry Brodsky's personal tastes in reading
and his duties as a public administrator. Was he using his position in
the community to bolster the get-the- Gateway pogrom? Was he tapping
out these letters on school time, or on school equipment? Word had it
the school board and superintendent weren't too crazy about Jerry's
crusade, and eventually he faded into the background. 

But apparently he had replacements lined up. Dan Dyer, an English
teacher at Brodsky's school, and Dyer's wife began firing off
similarly outraged letters to our advertisers. It seemed a bit clubby
at the very least that the next person in the community to pick up the
torch happened to work for Jerry (who had also done some legal work
for Dyer's wife). 

Anyway, why some of Dan's and the Mrs.’s letters were in Jerry's house
still flummoxes me. (How do I know they were? Call it intuition.) I
don't route my correspondence through my boss's house.
Maybe it's a Jewish thing. Mrs. Dyer didn't know why either when I
called to ask her, stammering, "Uh, uh, you'd, uh, better ask Dan
that." I tried, but Dan never called back. At least Jerry called me
once, but I don't say anything of substance into speaker phones when I
don't know who else -- maybe a better lawyer than Jerry -- is in the
room. (He said it was the only way the phone worked.)

I can't give Brodsky and company full credit for sinking The Gateway
Press, much as they'd probably enjoy it. We were used to a rather
anemic income and the usual weekly calamities that await any small
enterprise, especially one competing for ads and readership in what is
probably called in the trade a "minor media market." But as we found
out, no market is too minor to manipulate when Jewish sensibilities
are involved. The persistent strain of the boycott and attendant
pressures on an already precarious balance-sheet took their toll. We
cycled through ad reps and other personnel even faster than usual as
commissions and morale sagged. 

My editor/publisher, a woman with 25 years in the business and a
well-deserved reputation for personal tenacity and a take-no-prisoners
journalism style, did what she could to hold things together. But even
the tough get tired. While not fully in agreement with me on the topic
of Jewish media control, she refused my offer of resignation early on
and continued to publicly defend her publication of my piece citing
her long-standing commitment to print cogently argued, if unpopular
opinions of every stripe. But I don't think even she, experienced in
the business as she was expected the virulent response my article
generated. 

When she called us into her office for the news of the sale to our
competitor I thought back to a mysterious anonymous caller, a
not-unfriendly and apparently Gentile woman with a patrician accent
who contacted me early in the fray. She calmly told me the history of
"the boycott," meaning not the current one against us but the
historical prototype of it, and said, "Your paper will be out of
business in eighteen months." It took, I think, fourteen. 

What I found significant throughout this process was the outsized
influence wielded by a small clique, and a clique who would normally
have had no special interest in our paper or in our region, which is
largely rural and probably 99 percent Gentile. Even had a genuine
boycott been carried out its effect would have been negligible. Bad
publicity seems to have been the boycott's purpose; since
the largest advertisers who pulled were Jews, a phone call to them
>from  Brodsky or the Jewish News or the Cleveland ADL probably would
have sufficed. 

Another feature of the boycott that struck me was the powerlessness of
our Gentile readers, many of whom were outraged by the attack on us.
We weren't lacking in support from our readership, some of whom were
courageous enough to register their agreement with the commentary in
our letters column. I found encouraging the number of readers who told
me privately their feelings on Jewish power in U.S. politics.
Unfortunately, they didn't wield the power the Jews do among U.S.
merchandisers, bankers, car dealers, and realtors, the people whose ad
dollars support small (and large) newspapers. It shouldn't have
surprised me. 

I had to laugh at Carloyn Davis's description of "Jewish media power"
in the Plain Dealer editorial as a "bigoted buzz phrase that goes back
decades." One doesn't have to sample overtly "racist" writings to
encounter references to Jewish media control, and they date back much
farther than decades. When I see past allusions to Jewish press power
>from  the pens of such august and "establishment" figures as historian
W.E.H. Lecky, Winston Churchill, Hillaire Belloc, or Sir Richard
Burton (among many others), two things cross my mind. 

One is the casual manner of its mention, as though these writers are
noting that the sky is blue. Lecky, for example, in his late
nineteenth-century masterpiece "Democracy and Liberty," devotes a
paragraph or two to Jewish domination of the Russian press under the
Czars (he attributes at least some of the resentment the average
Russian felt for the Jews during the pogroms to this influence).
No earnest attempt is made to convince the reader of a doubtful
precept, no long lists of proofs are proffered: not because they
couldn't be produced, one senses, but because it simply isn't
necessary to document what appears to have been a commonly-known fact
among the less-numerous, but better-informed, literate members of
earlier generations. 

A more troubling thought that strikes me about this situation is that
contemporary authors of comparative standing could not publish similar
observations, or at least not without sudden relegation to vanity
presses and maybe community college jobs. Probably only the eminence
and the solid corpus of work produced by earlier authors, and perhaps
less fear among Gentile publishers, allowed them to make such
references without destroying their careers. 

At any rate, Jewish press control is hardly a malicious myth that's
been propagated for decades (centuries?) by anti-Semites; it is rather
a truth that has been relentlessly obscured by increasingly powerful
Jewish interests within and outside the press. No one who has closely
studied the pertinent history at any length can convincingly argue
otherwise, even if the student limits himself to "permitted" books and
authors rather than documents some find inherently questionable (i.e.,
the Protocols. ) The extent to which an offending author is pushed to
the margins or isolated from the public by a self-interested Jewish
minority probably depends on a variety of factors, but one thing is
certain: he won't emerge from the process quite intact. 

So what has this to do with the experiences of a small-time writer for
a little newspaper in Streetsboro, Ohio? Only that I saw firsthand
what happens and has happened to many writers who dare to write and
publish on the fact of Jewish media and political influence. It was in
one sense a privilege to be in courageous company living and dead: to
be allocated the ire bestowed on people like Hillaire Belloc, G. K.
Chesterton, William Pierce, Douglas Reed, and Wilmot Robertson was a
badge of honor of sorts. 

In other senses, not least the sacrifice of a good newspaper on the
altar of Jewish sensibilities, it was a tragedy. But not for me.
Although it's virtually certain that despite fifteen years of some
pretty good journalism on my part, I'll never work again for a
"respectable" journal, given the litmus tests and the rules imposed by
such publications, who would want to? If anything my experience in
fifteen years in the field has been one of progressive distaste for
the media, and in that sentiment at least I join a growing number of
Americans. 

Unfortunately, most readers and television viewers will probably
continue to be guided by a thirst for entertainment and stimulation
despite their stated disgust for the mainstream media. But there's
no doubt that awareness of the true nature and agenda of America's
"mainstream," i.e., Jewish, media is growing, and perhaps we can take
a page from the Chosen Ones themselves when it comes to the
retribution a committed and aligned minority can impose. 

For further information write to National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330,
Hillsboro WV 24946 USA. E-mail address nvb@ix.netcom.com 

=======

Free Speech Directory || National Alliance Main Page 
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On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:53:08 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>	Eyewitness testimony has it that the Germans had put up
>intertwining branches in the barbed wire fences to obstruct any
>viewing of the thousands a day being led off down the tracks to the
>cremas. This is the eyewitness testimony. A number of photos show
>something else - the reverse in fact. New arrivals on the platform
>with the barbed wire fence around the women's compound in the back
>ground, with absolutely no obstructions and a clear view of the
>barracks, meaning the view was vice versa. 

Dangit.  You mean the physical evidence contradicts a Holocaust
"eyewitness testimony"?  AGAIN?

You revisionists better quit it.  You're liable to upset a billion
dollar guilt-industry.  How dare you you not grovel in obeisance and
fork over more  money to the Self-Chosen?   Why, are you not aware of
your role in life?  :-)

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44) 


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THE PALM BEACH POST SATURDAY, JULY 27, 1996 15A

Security agent's admission renews Shin Bet scandal 

The agent admitted crushing the skulls of captors, leading to
calls for legislation to regulate Shin Bet.

Los Angeles Times 

JERUSALEM -- The security agent's two prisoners had already been
beaten when he took what he now calls a simple step. He picked up a
rock and battered their skulls until they were dead. He was just
following orders, he says. He has no regrets. He has no remorse that
he lied about the incident a dozen years ago to shift the blame. He
doesn't think it was a problem that the army commander on
the scene was disgraced, though ultimately exonerated. 

But now, on the verge of retirement after a career as one of this
country's senior warriors against terrorism, Ehud Yatom is the subject
of a wave of criticism and recriminations for his revelations
about his life in the Shin Bet, Israel's legendary security service. 

His chilling, relaxed attitudes toward a key and scandalous incident
involving the agency have set off alarms among civil rights activists
in Israel, renewing calls for legislation to set standards for the
conduct of the Shin Bet. 

The admissions center on "Bus 300 Incident" of April 1984. In an
interview with the Yediot Aharonot newspaper, Yatom admitted this week
for the first time that he was the Shin Bet official who killed the
two Palestinian bus hijackers after they had been taken into custody. 

Most shocking to Israeli public opinion was how he did it: The
prisoners had already been beaten after their capture, he recounted.
They were injured, bleeding and could not stand. Yatom
described them as "two sacks of potatoes. 

"We put them in our van and then I received instructions from (Shin
Bet chief) Avraham Shalom to kill them, so I killed them," said Yatom,
who was then was the 36-yearold head of the agency's
operations branch and the top Shin Bet agent on the scene. 

Taking a big stone, "I crushed their skulls," he recalled. "Believe
me, there was no need for too much of an effort. They were already
finished." 

"People are surprised, even astonished, that he made these
revelations," said Yossi Melman, an Israeli journalist who has written
extensively about the Bus 300 case. Dedi Zucker, a member of
Parliament from the liberal Meretz Party, said of Yatom's description
of the killings: "It looks so savage. The man in the street would say
that's too much." 

The current leadership of Shin Bet reportedly is studying whether
Yatom violated secrecy rules with his disclosures. "What Yatom did is
a betrayal of the organization as a whole," said a former senior
agency official quoted by Yediot Aharonot. 

==========

Kurt Stele


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On 11 Dec 1996 14:44:22 GMT, chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall)
wrote:

>In article <58l886$gg2@news.usaor.net>,
>Ian McKinney  wrote:
>>In message <58cbrr$p9e@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken
>> McVay OBC) writes:
>
>
>>Well, that's really funny coming from Ken "Maildrop" McVay. It's funny, 
>>recently Ernst Zundel tried to track-down the esteemed McVay only to find a 
>>maildrop. Upon further investigation, he found the backtrail lead to a Jew 
>>Temple. Regardless, he looked everywhere, but couldn't find him. Everywhere 
>>Zundel looked ended in a blind alley. Evidently, Mr. McVay is so far 
>>undercover he never sees daylight.
>>
>>Jeez, and all ol' Ernst wanted was to discuss the "holocaust."
>
>I cried when I read this message. Poor Ernst!
>
>Well, who needs Ken McVay, anyway! If nobody else will discuss
>the Holocaust with poor Mr. Zundel, then I'll be glad to
>volunteer. That'll show everyone!

Volunteer.  Get your ass kicked.  It will be amusing.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44)  



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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:55:16 GMT, destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)
wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:41:33 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John
>Morris) wrote:
>
>>In <32b0817a.7380656@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) posing
>>as minesweeper@navy.water (Force) wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>	Have it your way, neither Stalin's murders or the Holocaust
>>>happened.  It is very clear from your line of reasoning. 
>>
>>Actually, according to your poor excuse for reasoning. No one here is
>>denying Soviet atrocities. But you accept that Stalin murdered
>>millions on the basis of evidence qualitatively inferior to the
>>evidence for the Holocaust. You have just demonstrated that you can
>>produce no such evidence, and yet you believe it.
>
>	My acceptance or rejection of the Stalin stories is immaterial to
>the discussion.  I am not an "authority" nor does my belief structure
>imply anything about either claim.  ONLY physical evidence matters in
>BOTH cases. 
>
>	Keren insists there is none regarding Stalin and I insist there is
>none regarding Hitler.  That makes them equal, neither happened.  
>
>	Or do you insist for some strange reason that my acceptance matters
>in some way?  If so, in which way?  
>
>>>	BTW:  There is still no physical evidence of your holocaust
>>>regardless of your silly game playing.  
>>
>>Thank you for admitting your double standard. Thank you for admitting
>>that you have no reason for believing that Stalin murdered anyone. And
>>thank you, once again, for demonstrating what an ignorant ass you are.
>
>	First you make an issue over my AGREEMENT that the lack of physical
>evidence means they are both fake and then you make a point of my
>reiterating that claim.  What is your point here?  
>
>	DK is the one creating this line of "reasoning."  I am simply
>agreeing with him.  

Danny fancies that by denying the occurrence of the Civil War or
Dresden that Danny is thereby "getting revenge" on revisionists.  The
response:  who cares.   Danny doesn't help fill the Schmuckocaust's
evidentiary void one iota by his doubts.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44) . 



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On 12 Dec 1996 02:23:52 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>>  In message  - olk@login.dknet.dk 
>(Ole
>>  Kreiberg)Sun, 08 Dec 1996 22:06:02 +0100 writes:
>
>>  :>But it was not allowed to question whether the holocaust had happened in
>>  :>the first place.
>  
>>  Wrong.  There were no limits on what the defendants could say in their
>>  statements to the court.
>
>	Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements 
>were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution.  Not only were the 
>defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution was not 
>permitted to respond to any of the statements.

Entirely worthless concessions considering the Allied Kangaroo court
completely dispensed with hearsay rules and German "witnesses" e.g.,
Hoess were tortured.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On 10 Dec 1996 22:48:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 9 Dec 1996 01:13:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  >>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>  >>  In article <58d8h8$o1t@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>>  >>  >       Then perhaps you will explain why, contrary to general practice,  
>each of 
>>  >>  >the defendants was allowed to make a statement to the Court without 
>being 
>>  >subject 
>>  >>  >to cross-examination.  Each was allowed to state whatever he wanted.  
>None 
>>  >made 
>>  >>  >the claim that the Holocaust was a "manufactured event."
>>  >
>>  >>  But it was not allowed to question whether the holocaust had happened in
>>  >>  the first place.
>
>>  >	You are lying.  Please cite me a section of the Charter, a ruling by the 
>>  >Tribunal, or any objection to such evidence that was sustained on general 
>>  >grounds.
>
>>  >	Sory, nazi boy, no limits whatsoever were placed upon the *content* 
>of 
>>  >the statements of the defendants.
>
>  
>>  No limits whatsoever.  Just several swift kicks in the nuts.  That's
>>  all.  
>
>	More lies from "Stele."  Please name a single defendant at Nuremberg 
>who was physically abused in any way whatsoever.
>
>	--YFE

American Judge Van Roden comments on the methods used to "question"
German prisoners: 

"Posturing as priests to hear confessions and give absolution; torture
with burning matches driven under the fingernails, knocking out teeth
and breaking jaws; solitary confinement and near starvation rations...
The statements which were admitted as evidence were from men who had
first been in solitary confinement for three, four and five months...
the investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head and
then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him anbd beat him
with rubber hoses...  All but two of the Germans in the 139 cases we
investigated, had been been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.
This was STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE with our American
investigators."  

_The Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.  

So much for your lies again, Yale.  But what can one expect from
someone who continually claims that Nuremberg was a "fair trial"?
(snarf).

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On 12 Dec 1996 03:08:16 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   "Thomas Stedham"  writes:
>>  Semitic semantics! Now they are saying that nobody claimed 4 million JEWS
>>  were killed at Auschwitz, so that doesn't lower the jew body count...
>
>	That is correct.  The claim was never made.  The Poles claimed that 
>4,000,000 PEOPLE were murdered there.

The ALLIES charged that 4 million were murdered there Yalie-poo.

>>  My question is this: if, before 1990, 6 million jews had been killed in the
>>  holocaust, how many were counted as coming from Auschwitz?
>
>	1.0 to 1.5 million.
>
>
>> It seems to me
>>  that if you drop that overall Auschwitz total from 4 million to 1.5
>>  million, it is reasonable to assume that you would lose a few jews, too.
>
>	That is not how the number was calculated.

In other words they have shifted the number again, just like they
shifted the brunt to Auschwitz upon finding out that Belsen and Dachau
and other camps weren't "extermnation camps."  After shifting
everything to Auschwitz now they must shift again.  And you still
think the "holocaust" should be given credibility.  

>>  But not according to "Brian McVay" from Nizkor and other deluded persons
>>  who wrote me. No, according to all of them, miraculously, the total jewish
>>  body count remains at, surprise, 6 MILLION!! So, I guess they had the right
>>  count all along, and just didn't want to share it with anyone.
>
>	Since the accurate figures have been presented by every historian 
>since 1950, the unwillingness "to share" was only with the lazy or the illiterate 
>who refused to read their books.

You're a well-establshed liar Yale.  

>>  So, how many jews did the jews say were killed at Auschwitz, BEFORE
>>  relentless pressure from revisionists forced them to lower their count?
>>  That's the key. Because if they used a figure that doesn't jibe with the
>>  above tally, then it is just plain wrong, according to one of their own
>>  leading "experts."
>
>	The figure since Reitlinger wrote the first serious history of the 
>Holocaust (most likely before you were born) is 1.0 to 1.5 million.

So much for the original Allied figures first given credence, and
Hoess testimony, and Gilbert's figure of 4,000,000 in 1981.  So much
for the credibility of your wonderful hoax (tm).  The shell game
continues.  

>> Where does this holy 6 million figure come from?
>
>	There have been various methods for computing the number that 
>were murdered by the nazis.  *None* used the figures you suggest.  If you wish 
>to examine the methods used by one respected historian, read Appendix A: 
>"The Fate of the Jews in Hitler's Europe by Country" in "The War Against the 
>Jews: 1933-1945)  by Lucy Dawidowicz written in 1975.  If you just want open 
>your mouth and spout anti_semitc bullshit don't bother.  The facts will just 
>confuse you.

The only thing confusing is for one to take the Holocaust claims
seriously and at face value as they are constantly being shifted to
keep the racket alive.  
  
>>  Jewish math, semitic semantics, it's all cover for the same thing: protect
>>  the holocaust story at all costs, no matter how absurd...
>
>	Apparently it's the latter.

No business like Shoah business.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On 10 Dec 1996 22:44:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:
>
>>      Perhaps, Mr. Whitaker, you would be so good as to tell us where Mr.
>>  Ferree "bragged" that he strafed civilians?
>  
>  
>>  
>  
>>  Subject:      Re: A Nazi replies to a War Criminal
>>  From:         Chuck Ferree 
>>  Date:         1996/12/09
>>  Message-Id:   <32AC0E46.66A@rio.com>
>
>>  flew fighter planes, completed 67 missions in the ETO. If any
>                                                         ^^^^^^
>>  civilians were strafed by me or any pilot in my flight, it wasn't
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  because we sought out civilian targets. As opposed to your Hitler Nazi
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  
>>  
>
>>      We know that Matt Giwer has no assets worth pursuing in a libel
>>  action.  How about you? 
>
>	Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
>
>	--YFE

Prove that Giwer has been adjudicated a "criminal."    Innocent until
proven guilty, Yalie-poo.  I thought you were a lawyer?  Maybe you
lied about that one too.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 10 Dec 1996 23:11:48 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>  Oh yes.  At Nuremberg the German defendants were given every
>>  imaginable right afforded to all defendants in American courts today
>>  (sic).   Poor Yale.  He's committed to having to defend the Nuremberg
>>  Kangaroo Court as a "fair trial."   Of course, being a liar, it all
>>  comes quite naturally to him.
>
>	They were not tried in an American court.  They were  given certain 
>rights which, in fact, are greater than the rights currently given in either French or 
>German courts.  They were also given all rights considered basic to a fiar trial in 
>the U.S. today including:
>
>	1.  the guarantee of counsel (which was *not* part of U.S. practice 
>until "Gideon v. Wainwright" in 1964).
>
>	2.  the right to challenge evidence;
>
>	3.  the right of cross-examination;
>
>	4.  the right to present evidence;
>
>	5. the right to testify in their case (not a right in the U.K. until about 
>1930; until then the defendant was prohibited from testifying)
>
>	6.  the right to have counsel address the triers of fact;
>
>	7.  the right to examine all documents presented in evidence against 
>them at the expense of the prosecution;
>
>	8.  the right of subpoena ad testifcandum and subpeona duces tecum.

Look at the shyster go.  Doing the "razzle-dazzle" with legalese.  

>	Additionally they were given:
>
>	9.  the right to make statements not subject to cross-examination or 
>response in any manner whatsoever (please inform me of any court in the U.S. 
>that would permit this procedure)
>
>	They did not have the right to a jury trial.  But this right is *not* 
>recognized except in Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence.  It is *not* part of the law of any 
>country in Europe.
>
>	In short, you do nothing but make your usual wild and inaccurate 
>statements unsupported by anything other than your lying mouth.
>
>	--YFE

Hearsay evidence was allowed and that German witnesses tortured.  Oh
yes.  The Nuremberg kangaroos court was just a paragon of
jurisprudence.   

Leave it up to Yale to try to defend the Nuremberg Court as a "fair
trial." (sic).    Yale sees nothing wrong with the victors putting the
vanquished on trial based on ex post facto law.  

Here's some excerpts from this "wonderfully fair and just trial" Yale
Eideken so glowingly praises:

IMT VIt was common practice to remove the skin from dead prisoners. I
was commanded to do this on many occasions. Dr. Rascher and Dr. Wolter
in particular asked for this human skin from human backs and chests.
It was chemically treated and placed in the sun to dry. After that it
was cut into various sizes for use as saddles, riding breeches,
gloves, house slippers, and ladies' handbags. 

IMT XXXIIThe second building [at Treblinka] consists of three chambers
and a boiler room. The steam generated in the boilers is led by means
of pipes to the chambers. There are terracota floors in the chambers
which become very slippery when wet ... All victims had to strip off
their clothes and shoes, which were collected afterwards, whereupon
all victims, women and children first, were driven into the death
chambers. Those too slow or too weak to move quickly were driven on by
rifle butts, by whipping and kicking...Many slipped and fell, the next
victims pressed forward and stumbled over them. Small children were
simply thrown inside. After being filled up to capacity the
chambers were hermetically closed and steam was let in. In a few
minutes all was over. 

IMT VI Balachowsky: I saw SS men come out of Block 2 [ at Buchenwald],
the Pathological Block, carrying tanned skins under their arms. I
know, from my comrades who worked in Pathological Block 2, that there
were orders for skins; and these tanned skins were given as gifts to
certain guards and to certain visitors, who used them to bind books. 

IMT VIIIn the autumn of 1941, in Katyn Forest, the German occupational
authorities carried out mass shootings of the Polish prisoners of war
>from  the above mentioned camps. The German occupational authorities,
with a view to provoking incidents, undertook a whole series of
measures to ascribe their own misdeeds to organizations of the Soviet
authorities, in order to make mischief between the Russians and the
Poles. 

IMT VII It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical
appliances were built in for mass extermination of people. Under the
pretext that the people were being led to the bathhouse, the
doomed were undressed and then driven to the building where the floor
was electrified in a special way; there they were killed. 

IMT VIIIn this small room [at Sachsenhausen] there was a slot in the
wall, approximately 50 centimeters in length. The prisoner of war
stood with the back of his head against the slot and a sniper shot at
him from behind the slot. In practice this arrangement did not prove
satisfactory, since the sniper often missed the prisoner. After 8 days
a new arrangement was made. The prisoner, as before, was placed
against the wall; an iron plate was then slowly lowered onto his head.
The prisoner was under the impression that he was being measured for
height. The iron plate contained a ramrod which shot out suddenly and
poleaxed the prisoner with a blow on the back of the head. He
dropped dead. The iron plate was operated by a foot lever in a corner
of the room. 

IMT VIII boiled the soap out of the bodies of women and men. The
process of boiling alone took several days from 3 to 7. During two
manufacturing processes, in which I directly participated, more
than 25 kilograms of soap were produced. The amount of human fat
necessary for these two processes was 70 to 80 kilograms collected
>from  some 40 bodies ... I used this human soap for my personal needs,
for toilet and for laundering. 

IMT XXXIIIRudolf Hoess: I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December, 1943,
and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and
exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half
million succumbed to starvation and disease making a total dead of
about 3,000,000. 

IMT XXXInside the showerbath [at Dachau] the gas vents. On the ceiling
the dummy shower heads. In the engineers' room the intake and outlet
pipes. Push buttons to control inflow and outtake of gas. A hand valve
to regulate pressure. Cyanide powder was used to generate the lethal
smoke. From the gas chamber, the bodies were removed to the crematory.


IMT VIIIn August 1942 the prisoners were ordered by the German staff
of the camp to have all their hair removed from their armpits and
around their genitals, as otherwise they would be shot. Not one
prisoner received a razor from the Germans, though the Germans knew
well that they had none. The prisoners spent the whole of the night
plucking out their hair with their hands and assisting
one another. 

IMT VII The SS forced [women] to wash the stairs leading from the
seven entrances to the four story house, with their tongues and lips.
After those stairways were washed, the same people were
forced to collect garbage in the courtyard with their lips. All
garbage had to be transferred to one
place in the courtyard. 

IMT VII They invented the following method of murder: Several Soviet
prisoners would be forced to climb a tree and others had to saw it
down. The prisoners would fall together with the tree and be
killed. 

Here are some personalities commenting on Yale's favorate trial:  the
"wonderfully fair" Kangaroo Court at Nuremberg:  

The Nuremberg Trials ...had been popular throughout the world and
particularly in the United States. Equally popular was the sentence
already announced by the high tribunal: death. But what
kind of trial was this? ...The Constitution was not a collection of
loosely given political promises subject to broad interpretation. It
was not a list of pleasing platitudes to be set lightly aside when
expediency required it. It was the foundation of the American system
of law and justice and [Robert Taft} was repelled by the picture of
his country discarding those Constitutional precepts in order to
punish a vanquished enemy.

U.S. President, John F. Kennedy 

No matter how many books are written or briefs filed, no matter how
finely the lawyers analyzed it, the crime for which the Nazis were
tried had never been formalized as a crime with the definiteness
required by our legal standards, nor outlawed with a death penalty by
the international community. By our standards that crime arose under
an ex post facto law. Goering et al deserved severe punishment. But
their guilt did not justify us in substituting power for principle.

U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas 

About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and
vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the eleven men convicted
will be a blot on the American record which we shall long
regret. 

U.S. Senator Robert A. Taft 

It was clear from the outset that a death sentence would be pronounced
against me, as I have always regarded the trial as a purely political
act by the victors, but I wanted to see this trial through for my
people's sake and I did at least expect that I should not be denied a
soldier's death. Before God, my country, and my conscience I feel
myself free of the blame that an enemy tribunal has
attached to me. 

Reichsmarschall Herman Göring 

This kangaroo court at Nuremburg was officially known as the
'International Military Tribunal.' That name is a libel on the
military profession. The tribunal was not a military one in any sense.
The only military men among the judges were the Russians.... At
Nuremberg, mankind and our present civilization were on trial, with
men whose own hands were bloody sitting on the judges' seats. One
of the judges came from the country which committed the Katyn Forest
massacre and produced an array of witnesses to swear at Nuremberg that
the Germans had done it.

Rear Admiral, U.S.N. Dan V. Gallery 

I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the
world...I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the
lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not
attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their
position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were
guilty...This action is contrary to the fundamental laws under
which this country has lived for many hundreds of years, and I think
cannot be justified by any line of reasoning. I think the Israeli
trial of Adolf Eichmann is exactly in the same category as the
Nuremberg trials. As a lawyer, it has always been my view that a crime
must be defined before you can be guilty of committing it. That has
not occurred in either of the trials I refer to herein. 

Edgar N. Eisenhower, American Attorney, brother of President Dwight D.
Eisenhower 

My opinion always has been that the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials were
acts of vengeance. War is a political and not a legal act, and if at
the termination of a war, should it be considered that certain
of the enemy's leaders are politically too dangerous to be left at
large, then, as Napoleon was, they should be banished to some island.
To bring them to trial under post facto law, concocted to convict
them, is a piece of hideous hypocrisy and humbug.

Major General J.F.C. Fuller, C.B., C.B.E., D.S.O. 

To me the Nuremberg trials have always been totally inexcusable and a
horrible travesty on justice.  This is especially true when such
trials are used to punish the men of the military services who were
directing those services in time of war, and thus giving nothing more
than an expression of the basic purposes of their whole adult life. In
the execution of their wartime duties, these officers naturally
carried out, to the letter, the orders and directions which they
received fromt he head of their government. If an officer... should
ever, for one instant, consider disregard or disobedience to his
government's orders, all cohesion in the military services would fail,
>from  that moment, and the military sevices would fail in the one
reason for their existence-the waging of successful war in the
interests of their country.

Rear Admiral Robert A. Theobald, U.S.N. 

I am quite clear that any trial of defeated foes by their victors is a
mistake and a precedent which should not be followed among what are
commonly described as civilised nations.

Dr. George Peabody Gooch, C.H., British historian and author 

[The Nuremberg] war-crimes trials were based upon a complete disregard
of sound legal precedents, principles and procedures. The court had no
real jurisdiction over the accused or their offenses; it invented ex
post facto crimes; it permitted the accusers to act as prosecutors,
judges, jury and executioners; and it admitted to the group of
prosecutors those who had been guilty of crimes as numerous and
atrocious as those with which the accused were charged. Hence, it is
not surprising that these trials degraded international jurisprudence
as never before in human experience.

Professor Harry Elmer Barnes, Ph.D.

The Tribunal claimed in theory the right - it certainly had the power
- to declare any act a war-crime. But it interpreted Article 6 of the
Charter creating it, as excluding from its consideration any act
committed by the victorious powers. As a consequence any act proved to
have been committed by the victorious powers could not be declared by
the Tribunal a war-crime. For this reason, the indiscriminate bombing
of civilians which had indisputably been initiated by Great Britain
was excluded from consideration as a war crime by the Tribunal.

F.J.P. Veale, English jurist and author

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 12 Dec 1996 05:10:06 -0800, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:

>
>Question 1 [Aug 1996]
>---------------------
>
>      "To say the nazis were able to rip the breasts off living 
>      women and stomp babies for fun and laugh about it, and yet 
>      they couldn't shoot jews even..."(Stele, Which Jew Bankers)
>
>   We know that historians have written about the psychological problems 
>   which resulted when some Nazi troops were required to shoot Jews, 
>   Mr. Stele, but which historians have written that German soldiers 
>   could not shoot Jews? 

Not surprisingly the context of the thread has been hacked.   The
question remains if the Nazis had such trouble executing Jews using a
gun then why were they able to supposedly kill millions in this way?
And if they were too squeamish to use a gun then how come they were
able to rip babies apart and rip the breasts off of live women?   And
if the camps were supposedly deathcamps how come Soviets liberating
the Auschwitz camp found thousands of Jews left alive by the
retreating Germans?   Now I know why the Nizkor Synagogue doesn't let
you out at night Ken.

>Questions 2-31 [Aug 1996]
>-------------------------
>
>   In August of 1996, you asserted that Jews control the media, and that 
>   this control "...allows one to literally rewrite history virtually any 
>   way one wishes." (Stele, To The Generalissimo) 
>
>   As you have made this claim, I assume that you are now prepared to 
>   substatiate it by providing the answers to the questions which follow.
>   The answers to most of these questions are, by the way, readily 
>   available from the appropriate American and Canadian government 
>   agencies, so it is safe to assert that you will encounter no 
>   difficulty providing the data. Market data is published regularly by 
>   the media themselves.

>   How many newspaper publishers are there in North America?

Only 412 (25 per cent) of the 1,640 publications are independently
owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only about 120 of
the total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only
a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs
outside their own communities; the rest must depend on these few for
all of their national and international news. 

Jews own and run the top 3 newspapers which set the trends for every
other paper.   You ask a bad question as it just reveals Jewish power
even more.

>>    How many are privately held?

See above.

>>    How many of those are held by Jewish investors?

Every major newspaper chain is owned or run by Jews.  And also these
operations are staffed with Jews from top to bottom as well.  They,
not the stockholders, make the decisions.  

>>    How many are traded on the exchange?

I don't see the relevance of this question but all the top
multi-newspaper chains are part of corporations traded on the
exchange.

>>    How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

I don't know every detail of ownership.  SEVERAL Jews own large
portions of their media companies.  For example, Sumner Redstone owns
76% of Viacom ($3 billion) outright, which produces MTV.  Katherine
Meyer Graham is the principal stockholder of the Washington Post.  And
so on.  But even Jewish CEO's which don't own majority shares
obviously have GREAT influence on the decision-making process.  

>>    How large is their market share?

See above.
 
>>    How many magazine publishers are there in North America?

Every major magazine is owned by one of the Jewish controlled media
conglomerates.  _Newsweek_ is published by Jewess Katherine Meyer
Graham.  The other two most popular news weeklies are Time (Gerald
Levin -  Jew) and  U.S. News and world Report (owned and edited by
Mortimer Zuckerman -- a Jew).   All of these are traded on the open
market.  

>>    How many are privately held?

See above.

>>    How many of those are held by Jewish investors?

See above.

>>    How many are traded on the exchange?

See above.

>>    How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?

See above.

>>    How large is their market share?

See above.

http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML 

>Nizkor Canada          | http://www.nizkor.org
>-----------------------| Remember John Hron
>                       |--------------------------------------
>     http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/

That synagogue-front organization.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 00:54:05 GMT, minesweeper@navy.water (Force)
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:33:59 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:
>
>>[Followup = alt.revisionism]
>>
>>seneca  writes:
>>
>># Ernst Zundel must be the most courageous man on Earth.
>>
>>Ernst Zundel called to ban the TV series "Holocaust".
>>
>>Ernst Zundel called to ban the movie "Schindler's List".
>>
>>Yet, he claims to support free speech.
>>
>>In addition to denying the Holocaust, Ernst Zundel also
>>claims that the Nazi leadership fled the collapsing Reich
>>using "secret UFO's", and that they flew them into the
>>center of the earth via a "hole in the South-Pole".
>>
>>He also wrote that he met some of the "German scientists"
>>who "designed and built" the UFO's.
>>
>>He asked people to give him money, to support an
>>expedition to find the UFO base.
>>
>>All this is well-documented. You can find it all, in
>>Zundel's own publications, in Nizkor's site.
>
>	Has it ever occurred to you that UFOs and the holocaust have equal
>factual basis including people there have been on board UFOs and
>people who have been in death camps?  

Actually the UFO story has much more credence than the Holocaust.
There is not have as many claims that have been actually verified as
technically and circumstantially impossible and the UFO witnesses are
far more in accord.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44).  




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13 die, 35 hurt in Lebanon strike by Israeli
jets on guerrilla base

Post Wire Services 

SIDON, Lebanon -- Israeli war jets blasted Palestinian guerrilla bases
near this southern port city Friday, killing 13 people and wounding 35
in their heaviest air raid this year, police said. 

Six guerrilla command posts belonging to the three main factions of
Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization were destroyed in
the 55-minute attack on Sidon's refugee camps of Ein
el-Hilweh and Mieh Mieh, police said. 

A PLO spokesman said six fighters and seven civilians were killed.
"Among them were two children less than 4 years of age," he said,
speaking on condition of anonymity. 

It was the highest toll of Israel's 12 air raids this year. In Israel,
an army statement said all planes returned safely. 

In another development, Norwegian and U.S. sources said Friday that
Israel is balking at a request from Norway to inspect 20 tons of heavy
water the Scandinavian country sold in 1959 and which may have been
used in the production of nuclear weapons. 

U.S. government officials declined to comment for the record on the
Norwegian request. But one administration source who follows nuclear
non-proliferation matters said Israel consistently refuses
to allow international inspection of the Dimona nuclear reactor, where
heavy water is used and where Israel is believed to manufacture
weapons-grade plutonium. 

Norway inspected the heavy water in 1961, then allowed the practice to
lapse until February, following disclosures that the Jewish state was
processing enough plutonium to have produced as many as 200 atomic
weapons. 

4 Palestinians killed

JERUSALEM -- Israeli security forces killed four Palestinians in the
occupied territories Thursday and wounded 18, including a 3 year-old
whose skull was shattered, Arabs and the army reported. 

The shrapnel-riddled body of another Palestinian was taken to Ramallah
hospital in the West Bank.   Israel radio said he apparently was
killed while preparing a bomb.

======

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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THE PALM BEACH POST TUESDAY DECEMBER 26, 1989

Palestinian's autopsy shows he died of blows

Palm Beach Post Wire Services 

JERUSALEM -- A New York doctor said Monday that an autopsy on a
Palestinian who died in the interrogation room of an Israeli prison
showed that he was killed by blows to the abdomen. 

In the occupied Gaza Strip, security sources said Israeli troops were
on alert for renewed street protests in memory of Khalid al-Sheikh
Ali, 27, a Palestinian activist who died Dec. 19 in Gaza prison. 

His family accused interrogators for Israel's Shin Bet secret police
of torturing him to death. Palestinians said he was the third prisoner
in six months to die in the Gaza interrogation center they
call the "slaughter room." 

"We both agree that he died of multiple blows to the abdomen causing
internal bleeding," said Dr. Michael Baden, forensic sciences director
for New York State Police, who took part in the autopsy by Dr. Jehuda
Hiss, Israel's chief medical examiner. 

Baden, former acting chief medical examiner of New York City, said
there also was evidence of injuries to the legs, back and testicles. 

Palestinians have widely accused Shin Bet of torturing prisoners in
its efforts to suppress the 2 year-old Palestinian uprising in the
occupied territories. 

Baden said he and Hiss interviewed Sheikh Ali's interrogators in Gaza
after the 6 hour autopsy Sunday. They said he became ill during
questioning but denied using force. 

Baden, recruited on behalf of the family the Boston-based Physicians
for Human Rights and the Arab human rights group al-Haq, said state
prosecutors would investigate the case; Also, Monday, the army ordered
the court martial of Col. Yehuda Meir, accused of telling troops to
break the bones of 20 bound and gagged Palestinian prisoners.

============

[Israel has now passed a law euphemistically called " Prevention of
torture " which legalizes the use of force in interrogating prisoners]

Kurt Stele


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By ANTHONY LEWIS 

They blindfolded him and handcuffed his hands behind his back.
Soldiers whispered in his ear, "You are a dog." 

After putting a cloth in his mouth to keep him from screaming, they
burned him with a cigarette on his ear and hand. Then they took him
into a bathroom and made him lie on the floor. 

"One soldier ... stepped on my lead, my chest and my hands. The
soldier began to jump on me. This went on for approximately 10
minutes, and I felt I was going to die ... 

"Blood was dripping from my mouth. The soldiers removed the blindfold
>from  my eyes and cut off the plastic handcuffs. I tried to stand but
was shoved to the ground by a soldier using his rifle. Blood
was dripping from my back, face, nose, shoulder, chest." Those
statements are taken from an affidavit sworn by Shawan Jabarin, a
Palestinian human rights worker. Israeli forces took him from
his home, near Hebron in he West Bank, on Oct. 10. He is still being
held. 

An Israeli official, the legal adviser to the military government of
the West Bank, confirmed that Mr. Jabarin had been beaten while in
custody. He did so in a phone conversation Oct. 12 with the
director of the West Bank human-rights organization Al-Haq, Mr.
Jabarin's employer. 

The legal adviser also confirmed that Mr. Jabarin had been taken to
the Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem for examination. 

Why was Shawan Jabarin beaten? Why was he arrested in the first place?
To ask those questions is to look again at the Kafkaesque reality of
life in the territories occupied by Israel. 

Mr. Jabarin is 29, so respected as a human-rights worker that he was
recently nominated for the 1989 Reebok Human Rights Award, given to
young people who have contributed to freedom of
expression and human rights. 

Last year he was detained for nine months, without trial, in the
Ketziot prison in the Negev Desert. Israeli officials said he was
connected with the outlawed Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestine, but he was never charged with such an offense. 

Since he left the detention camp he has had health problems, notably a
heart condition marked by breathing difficulty. 

On Oct. 4, soldiers came to Mr. Jabarin's house while he was away. He
said they broke the door and two windows, smashed mirrors, threw
clothes on the floor. They took away photographs and
affidavits he had taken for Al-Haq. 

Mr. Jabarin was asleep when soldiers came again on Oct. 10. His wife,
who is in her ninth month of pregnancy, woke him. The soldiers took
him away without letting him dress. 

An Israeli lawyer, Leah Tsemel, was allowed to see Mr. Jabarin for 10
minutes on Oct. 18. His head was still visibly swollen, she said. She
took his affidavit in as much detail as the time allowed. 

The case of Shawan Jabarin raises questions for Israel to answer: Why
was he arrested? What legal action will be taken against those who
beat him? 

Israel's friends and supporters resent it when attention is called to
brutality in the occupation. They argue that the press focuses too
much on Israel when there other, worse violators of human rights. 

Yes, many governments in the world violate human rights, but none of
them receive $3 billion year in U.S. foreign aid.  [Make that 5
billion. KS.]

=========

Kurt Stele




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On 12 Dec 1996 12:46:31 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon)
wrote:

>Brian Harmon  
>------
>Human memory is the glue that bonds 

>the massive physical evidence 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Haw haw haw!

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:15:01 GMT, minesweeper@navy.water (Force)
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:18:29 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:
>
>>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>>
>># No. There was no rebellion. There were no buildings.
>>
>>So, that's the new "revisionist breakthrough"?
>>
>>First, to claim that there was a camp, but that it was
>>a "transit camp"; and next, to claim there was nothing
>>at all?
>>
>>Incredible, I tell you, incredible.
>
>	Look at the pictures.  Carry them on Nizkor.  Yes, what is claimed
>for Treblinka is quite incredible.  
>
>># Nizkor "treblinka .02" quotes from the "Old Frogs
>># Almanac" - "When the Russians took over the Treblinka
>># complex and the nearly dead survivors ... there was no
>># lack of physical evidence".
>>
>>If your quote is accurate, this is, indeed, a mistake
>>on the part of the person who wrote this for Nizkor.
>
>	When a lie is exposed, say someone else made a mistake.  How many
>more "mistakes" does Nizkor deliberately carry?  This is this item,
>the lies regarding pictures of people burned to death ..., it is such
>a long list, perhaps later.  

The Nizkooks will automatically attribute any error by a revisionist
as a "lie."  Yet when their Nizkor propaganda is exposed as bogus they
claim "oh, it was a mistake."  The Nizkooks are indeed a slimy lot.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.



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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 04:24:46 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <58ove9$b11@itssrv1.ucsf.edu>, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon)
>wrote:
>
>[re: Matt Giwer's motives]
>
>>In other words, becuase you dislike these people, you 
>>will lie to get at them.
>
>Goodness, you just defined Holocaust denial.

Oh yes, that is why the Jew David Coleman is also a revisionist.
Rather your brand of Holocaustomania is to unscrupulously paint all
revisionists as simply anti-semitic and nothing more.  Lame argument.
No sale, John, no sale.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


>--
> John Morris                                
> at University of Alberta  
>-- 
>The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/



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On 12 Dec 1996 02:10:06 -0800, nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor
Canada) wrote:

>Archive/File: places/germany/program.06
>Last-Modified: 1994/06/02
>
>I could not help but consider, while reading the following selection from
>Helen Fein's "Accounting for Genocide", of how vociferously those who deny 
>the Holocaust reject the existence of any cohesive Nazi plan to
>exterminate the Jews. I recommend Fein's work to anyone with a serious
>interest in the topic.
>
>"THE CHAIN OF JEWISH VICTIMIZATION AND THE GERMAN STRATEGY OF ENTRAPMENT"
>
>"In previous attempts to understand the extensiveness of Jewish
>victimization, much attention has been paid to what happened to Jews who
>became victims rather than to _how_ they became victims. Hilberg analyzed
>the process first: from `definition' (including registration) to
>`expropriation' to `concentration' (usually equated with ghettoization)
>prior to deportation. <8> I believe it is useful to label the second stage
>`stripping' to denote its function: this included stripping Jews of social
>roles, rights, and claims for respect within society as well as stripping
>them of material goods and legal rights. 

Hmph.  Interesting.  Kind of reminds me of what Israelis do to
Palestinians.  

>Hilberg failed to observe that
>concentration included two functions that inherently coincided with
>ghettoization but might preface it: segregation and isolation. Segregation
>ordinances banning Jews from mingling with non-Jews, communicating with
>them, and moving outside a prescribed radius were enforceable only if the
>stigmata of the yellow star could be successfully enforced. Therefore,
>states are classified [in Fein's research. knm] as unsegregated when the
>star was not introduced or its use was not extended, with the order
>withdrawn or widespread nonobservance reported. 

Hmph.  Interesting.  Kind of reminds of the "anti-semite" scarlet
brand Jews love to stick on anybody that dares to doubt a patently
idiotic tale known as the "holocaust." (tm) (UKosher)

>Although the star insignia
>was designed both to enable the police to catch Jews and to induce others
>to shun them, responses to wearers of the yellow star varied widely. ...
>The responses to, and the ultimate consequences of, stigmatization were not
>anticipated by many Jews when these orders were first promulgated. In some
>states, the star marked the victims whom many citizens had already shown
>they were eager to exploit; in others, it aroused awe of and detachment
>from the wearers; and in other states, it prompted ridicule. 

Hmph.  Kind of reminds me of the tactics of that modern-day Jewish
Cheka the ADL. 

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44)  



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On 11 Dec 1996 04:03:20 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>
>>  Post war photos of Typhus victims having nothing to do with any
>>  "exterminations".
>
>	You can diagnose typhus from photographs?
>
>	I really hope that you are going to write up this technique and submit it 
>to a medical journal or two.

Alongside your article that one can diagnose gassing from photos,
especially bodies which appear emaciated and sickly, the common state
of bodies after typhus or starvation.  

You can also throw in autopsy reports, none of which reveal a single
body killed by gassing.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44)  

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.






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THE PALM BEACH POST WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 1988

Two 13-year-olds killed in West Bank

New York Times News Service 

JERUSALEM -- Two 13-year-old Palestinians, a boy and a girl, were shot
and killed as protests continued Tuesday in the Israeli-occupied West
Bank and Gaza Strip. 

As international criticism and internal debate continued over the
Israeli army's use of beatings to put down the disturbances,
Palestinian lawyers in Gaza said they had evidence of a second case in
which soldiers had buried Palestinians alive. An army official said
Tuesday an investigation had been ordered. 

At dawn, the army closed off and entered the West Bank village of
Yamun. An army official said the troops were met with barrages of
rocks, firebombs, metal bars and potatoes that had been
studded with nails. 

The soldiers fired, and a 13-year-old boy, Mamoud Hoshiyeh, was
killed. Two Palestinians were wounded. 

In a clash that apparently involved Jewish settlers, Rawda Lutfi
Najib, a 13-year-old girl, was shot in the West Bank village of Baqa
al Sharqiya. A military official said an Israeli civilian had been
detained for questioning. 

Earlier this month, Israeli soldiers were reported to have dumped dirt
>from  a bulldozer over four Palestinians in the village of Salim.
Tuesday, the army announced that Sgt. Maj. Charlie Danino,
assigned to the West Bank Civil Administration, had been charged in
the case.  

Saying a similar incident had occurred in the %aza Strip, the Gaza
Attorneys' Association said Tuesday Adel Ali Massoud, 18, was taken by
the army from his home in Khan Yunis Feb. 14 and
brought with another young Palestinian to a beach outside the town. 

"There they tied me to a jeep and dragged me while driving fast.
Afterward they beat me again, and buried me in the sand, filling my
mouth with the sand," Massoud said in a sworn affidavit given to
the lawyers' association. 

===========

Kurt Stele


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Reuters 

GAZA, Israeli-occupied territories - Israeli troops forced their way
into a U.N, clinic Monday and tried to arrest a Palestinian receiving
emergency treatment for a gunshot wound, a U.N.
spokeswoman said. 

The soldiers also beat two employees at the clinic in the Bureij
refugee camp, U.N. Relief and Works Agency spokeswoman Claire Grimes
said. 

The 18 year old youth, identified by Palestinians as Mohammed Hlsham
Nasser, was brought to the clinic suffering from a bullet wound in the
upper arm that had severed an artery, Grimes said. 

She said the soldiers forced their way into the clinic and attempted
to arrest the youth, who was bleeding profusely. 

"The soldiers were trying to off the emergency bed." 

A foreign member of the largely Palestinian UNRWA staff convinced the
soldiers to leave, but when the youth was later being transferred to
the hospital, the soldiers detained the ambulance for 10 minutes,
Grimes said. 

The incident occurred on the same day that UNRWA opened a ninth clinic
in the Gaza Strip. 

The earlier death of a 21year old Palestinian raised the toll in the
23 month-old revolt against Israeli Occupation of the Gaza Strip and
West Bank to 581 Arabs killed. 

Bassam Mohammed Erada al-Shaar, from the Gaza Strip, died in a
Cairo-hospital more than seven months after he was shot by Israeli
troops, Arab sources said. 

=======

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Israeli Atrocities and Relevance to Alt.Revisionism
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It will likely be complained by the Nizkor side that Israeli
atrocities have nothing to do with the Holocaust.  Please note a few
things:

1)  The name of this conference is alt.revisionism, not alt.Nizkook,
or alt.holocaust.  All veritable history traditionally suppressed or
in need of accurate revising is consistent with the program.   

2)  Since holocausters have repeatedly refused to observe or respect
the purpose of the forum they certainly are in no position to now
complain of "off-topic" posts.  Pot-kettle-black.  

3)   The brutal treatment of Palestinians is comparable to similar
atrocities allegedly committed by Nazis against Jews.  The latter are
universally condemned as "war crimes", denounced with ubiquitous
propaganda, and punished with perpetual reparations.  
Yet Israeli atrocities are responded to with a continuation of
-billions- of dollars in U.S. taxpayer dollars being sent to Israel
virtually uncontestedly.   

The same Jewish political influences which safeguard an unchecked flow
of money from the U.S. to Israel were also highly influential on
foreign policy at the time of WWII, and were in position to foist a
hoax against Germany and upon the world.  The behavior of the U.S.
government towards Israeli in contrast to its behavior towards Germany
for the same crimes is highly relevant to determining the extent of
this powerful influence.  

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44). 



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On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:15:10 GMT, minesweeper@navy.water (Force)
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:31:16 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal
>OBE) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Dec 1996 20:59:42 GMT, somewhere@sometime.soon (Real soon!)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:30:42 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dr. Theodor Friedrich Leidig, testifying about one of the first 
>>>>gassings in Sachsenhausen, in which Soviet POW's were murdered
>>>>[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
>>>>Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
>>>>A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 54]
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>	Nine million people had been shot and they were looking for a way
>>>to deal with three million more?  How strange ... 
>>
>>Strange?  Not at all. If the man with the gimpy   giwerdian   mind
>>would spend an hour or two perusing the books of his local high 
>>school, he might find one or two citations by the head perpetrators 
>>of this heinous crime . They clearly  request  a method for  killing 
>>(particularly  women and children)  that is not as demoralizing to
>>the troops as shooting is.
>
>	Demoralizing?  Nine million murders are demoralizing and yet an
>entirely different and hugely more expensive system is introduced to
>deal with 1/3 as many.  Just how does one explain that?  1/3 more
>demoralizing is too much?  Are you suggesting they were so demoralized
>that they were no longer shooting people?  If not, just what form did
>this "demoralization" take?
>
>	Please describe the "demoralization" from official german
>documents.  

That is one thing the Holohoaxsters haven't presented yet.:  the
documented evidence of demoralization of German troops.  Which would
still not explain the ascribed uses of the Einsatzgruppen who used
shootings.  In the near future look for some 1997 book or documentary
in the manner of Suchomel with testimony saying "it was terrible.  We
couldn't take the shootings.  We -had- to use gas."   The hoaxsters
have not yet presented even so much as that sort of claptrap.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 10 Dec 1996 22:39:52 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>  The current point is a tape that is unauthenticated and therefore
>>  worthless, the Holocausters being too cowardly to authenticate.
>
>	Unfortunately ity has been authenticated.  Persons familiar with 
>Himmler's voice have stated it is him speaking, several persons at the speech 
>have stated that he made it, and his notes for the speeches are known.

So what.  Persons "familiar" with Belsen claimed it was an
"extermination camp" and that was a lie.  The tape's genuineness has
not been subjected to testing.  Since most of the claims for the
"holocaust" and several numerical exaggerations have already been
exposed as false the tape is probably bogus as well.  Being untested
for its genuineness it is worthless.

>>>  If it
>>  was genuine it would be tested in a heartbeat, the Holocausters being
>>  desperate for anything even remotely resembling physical evidence.
>>  If the Holocaust Industry hasn't authenticated yet one can rest
>>  assured it is indeed most likely worthless.
>
>	You have, contrary to the opinion of the National Archives, stated that 
>it is a forgery.  "He who asserts must prove."

The tape is scientifically untested as yet.  Untested = worthless.
Considering the "holocaust" has so little physical evidence in its
favor it would be to the benefit of the Holocaust Industry (tm) to
test it.  However, the cowards will not no more then they will allow
the public to be told the huge gaps in the "holocaust" evidentiary
record.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 12 Dec 1996 01:36:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   the criminal Giwer shows his ignorance:
>>  On 11 Dec 1996 04:59:34 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>  >	Wrong again.  No chain of custody is required for a court record.
>>  
>>  	OJ's criminal defense attornies should have been told that.  They
>>  wasted weeks challenging what was not required in the first place.
>>  You do remember trying to show a time when Det. VanAtter might have
>>  had access to the blood samples?  
>
>	I do not recall a single court record introduced in the O.J. trial.
>
>
>>  	You truly have no compunction against lying when it suits you even
>>  though literally millions watched the court case on TV know a chain of
>>  custody is a requirement.  
>
>	Not of a matter that is an exhibit in a court record.  No such exhibits were 
>introduced in the O.J. trial; all questions as to chain of custody were concerned 
>with physical evidence held by the police.
>
>  
>>  	Is that what is called chutzpah?  
>
>	No.  It's what's called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real 
>meaning of a technical term.  To recap:
>
>	1.  The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the stand 
>the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the tape.  In 
>order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the National 
>Archives.
>
>	2.  The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.
>
>	3.  No further testimony is required.
>
>	4.  Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for 
>questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to have a snit 
>becasue you wasted his time.  (Note:  O.J.'s attorneys presented hard evidence 
>that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not been 
>followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the physical 
>evidence).
>
>	5.  Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on 
>your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the technical 
>requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported opinion of the 
>IMT.
>
>	--YFE

Untested = worthless.  Someday your little Himmler tape may be tested.
If it is proved genuine at that point the discussion can then move to
debunking the one single word on the tape that the Holocausters can
ascribe sinister meaning to without basis, which again fails short of
specifically mentioning anything about extermination by gassing.  I
guess such desperation can be expected from a hoax already full of
discredited canards and exaggerations that has no physical evidence in
its favor.   Tsk tsk.  Poor little hoax.   And poor little Yalie-poo.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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American Palestinian boy tortured, slain; is
this not terror?

JOSEPH SOBRAN 

Another American has fallen victim to terrorism in the Middle East,
but this time the United States is being careful not to overreact. The
president hasn't interrupted his vacation to fly back to Washington
for consultation with his top advisers. The airwaves aren't full of
blustering congressmen demanding retaliation. In all likelihood, the
killers will go unpunished. They may even be rewarded. 

The dead man this time is a 14-year-old boy, Amjad Hussein Jibril. He
grew up in Colorado. Three years ago, his parents took him back to
Palestine -- the West Bank, Judea-Samaria, whatever you want to call
it. A few days ago he turned up dead, his, body showing signs that he
was tortured and murdered. 

A dispatch from Agence France Presse, published in The Washington
Times on Aug. 21, reported a sequence of events as follows: Amjad left
his family on the evening of Wednesday, Aug. 16, to attend prayer
services at a mosque in the town where his family now lives, El Bireh.
After the service, there was a demonstration. Israeli troops fired on
it, and Amjad was among a group of youths who fled. 

"What happened to him during the next 48 hours," writes the reporter,
Marius Schattner, "remains a mystery." Some witnesses said Amjad was
later seen in an Israeli army jeep. His mother went to Israeli
occupation administrators to find him but was told Amjad was not among
those who had been arrested. She didn't believe them. She then went to
the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, since Amjad was a U.S. citizen, and
asked officials there to help find her son. They have asked Israeli
authorities to investigate the matter. 

Amjad's body was found Aug. 18. It was identified by his cousin, Dr.
Walid Tawil, also a U.S. citizen. 

"According to Dr. Tawil, a Vietnam veteran," the reporter writes,
"Amjad's teeth had been smashed, his skull had been fractured, his
body was covered with cigarette burns, and his left eye was missing."
The Times adds, in brackets, that "Reuters news agency, in a censored
dispatch, quoted unnamed Israeli military officials as saying that
Palestinian activists might have killed the boy to incite anti-Israeli
unrest." 

This explanation is, to put it very mildly, implausible. At a time
when Israeli forces disguised as tourists are killing Palestinians,
the idea that Palestinians would not only murder a Palestinian boy for
propaganda advantage but also torture and mutilate him first, is so
hard to believe that the man who said it probably didn't believe it
himself. 

You may note the disparity in moral indignation between the murder of
Lt. Col. William Higgins and the murder of Amjad Jibril. Col. Higgins'
death caused our politicians and pundits to call for an all-out "war
on terrorism," preferably a war against "the source," presumed to be
Iran. Amjad's even crueler murder has evoked almost no public
reaction, certainly no calls for retaliation -- because any
retaliation would most likely have to be directed against our
"reliable ally" and fellow champion of "democratic values," Israel.
Few of our congressmen even have the nerve to suggest that the United
States should distance itself from Israel. 

The critic of Israel knows what to expect. The columnist Patrick
Buchanan is being assailed as anti-Israel and anti Semitic for asking
bluntly just what benefits the U.S. is getting from this costly
alliance. Those who revile him have no answer except personal abuse. 

Not only abuse, but peculiarly baseless abuse. Mr. Buchanan has never
suggested that Israel has no right to exist, or that Jews should enjoy
fewer rights than other people. On the contrary, he is applying a
single moral criterion to everyone. 

The charge ought to be turned around. Anyone who defends Israel's
present laws pertaining to non-Jews and especially its treatment of
non-Jews in the occupied territories ought to be asked whether he
would approve the similar treatment of Jews anywhere. 

To ask the question is to answer it. Any such abuse of Jews would
instantly get the infamy it deserved. A torture-murder like that of
young Jibril would result in a flood of speeches, articles,
probably a book and a movie, not to speak of military reprisal. 

And what does our fellow citizen, Amjad Jibril get ? As far as I know,
one newspaper column, which will probably cause more anger here than
his wicked killers.

=======

Kurt Stele


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On 14 Dec 1996 02:30:16 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
>
>: loudly lest the goyim throw the Jews out again as has been done
>: repeatedly throughout history.  You think yourself invincible?  
>
>Say what you what, nazi puke. We won WWII. You lost,. As fascsists like
>you will always do. Real Americans believe in freedom regardless of race,
>or belief. Your kind has no power, cannot intimidate and has no brains.

Right.

>Try another holocost, and you will die.

Actually it would be the first of its kind, and your mispelling is
very apt.  

>That's not a threat, that's a fact.

All power the international Jew possesses depends on his parasitism of
the goyim.  Reawaken the goyim and you'll be back to selling old
clothes.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44).  



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On 14 Dec 1996 01:51:50 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
>
>>  Well done Ian. I want to know why Talmuds aren't readily available for
>>  all to read. I can get a Bible at Wal-Mart, a Koran at a book store, the
>>  Hare Krishnas will provide you with anything you want when you encounter
>>  them, Jehovah's Witnesses will knock at your door and very willing to
>>  supply you with all of their publications but why such a dearth when it
>>  comes to the Talmud? 
>
>	Have you checked your local bookstore?
>
>	Locally the following chains carry (or will order) the Talmud:
>
>	Border's (both the Seinsaltz and Soncino translations)
>
>	Barnes & Noble (Soncino tranlation)
>
>	Encore (Seinsaltz tranlation)
>
>	On the other hand, not a single local supermarket or drugstore has a 
>copy.
>
>	--YFE

The Jewish Professor Shahak and other Jews have commented extensively
on the vicious anti-Goyim sentiment and perversion expressed in the
original Talmud.   Sorry Yalie but your fellow Jews already spilled
the beans on this one.  Are you now going to try to to deny it,
Yalie-poo?   

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 14 Dec 1996 05:26:46 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  >>  >JACKSON:  Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my 
>hands, 
>>  >>  >of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would 
>>  >>  >like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it.  
>  
>>  >>  Jackson presents it as a serious claim, and then goes into great
>>  >>  detail about the claim.   
>
>>  >	Not when you read the question and the follow-up questions which 
>>  >clearly indicate that it was cross-examination on the propaganda stories 
>>  >circulated.
>  
>>  Jackson didn't ask Speer if it was a propaganda story.  Instead
>>  Jackson presented the facts associated with it as true. 
>
>	No,  He asked whether Speer knew about it or heard about it.  His 
>follow up question is very clear.

Clear indeed.   Jackson asked Speer whether Speer knew or heard about
the experiment Jackson presented as a factual occurrence in great
detail.

>>  If Jackson wanted to ask Speer about the veracity of the story or the
>>  use of propaganda Jackson would have.  Jackson didn't.  
>
>	Wrong.  He used a standard technique of cross-examination.


Jackson presented the claim as true and then asked Speer whether Speer
knew about the event.   


>>  You have never posted it was direct or cross-examination as you have
>>  been asked to do.   If the excerpt is cross-examination you have yet
>>  to prove it and if you do it still does not help.
>
>	Only a lying ignoramus like you would be confused as to whether a 
>prosecutor examining a defendant is cross-examining him.  Even if Jackson 
>would have called him to the stand (he didn't) it would be cross-examination.

Only a shyster kike lawyer like yourself resorts to legalese to try to
obscure that Jackson clearly presented it as a factual claim.

>>   Jackson presented
>>  it as a serious claim and one that actually happened.  U.S Prosecutors
>>  were thus inquiring into "Jew vaporization devices" at Nuremberg.  So
>>  much for the "credibility" (sic) of the Nuremberg trials. 

>	That is your misinterpretation.  It should be noted that it comes from 
>someone who needs proof that when a prosecutor examines a defendant it is 
>cross-examination.
>
>	--YFE

There is also something called direct examination of a hostile
witness.  You really shouldn't try pulling legalese to cover for lies
when half of America is now versed in trial law.  But I don't blame
you so much for trying to obscure it since Jackson's presenting a
vaporization gun story as true doesn't bode well for the credibility
your beloved Nuremberg Trial, Yalie.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Who cares who declared war?
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On 14 Dec 1996 02:36:43 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>The Allies conveniently forgave the land-grab made by Poland.  Call it
>>selective sympathies.
>
>Call it whatever you like. As I tried to get across before (though
>perhaps the thought was too complex for you), I suspect the Allies
>were motivated by the purely practical consideration that Germany
>was demonstrating an insatiable appetite and had built up a military
>to act upon that appetite. Poland presented less of a threat.

And the thought made amply clear to you was that the Allies were
acting out of a bias towards Germany led by the same coterie of
international string-pullers which admittedly led the U.S. into a WWI
simply for the interest of gaining Palestine for itself.   

>>The Soviet military analyst under Stalin and defector Suvorov already
>>admitted Stalin were going to roll into Europe and had amassed a huge
>>force to do so, but it was obvious anyway.
>
>The difference being that Germany was already taking the lead in
>invading.

And the fact that Stalin was himself preparing to invade Europe means
nothing to you.  

>>                                                Hitler's wise and
>>necessary preemptive strike prevented Stalin from doing so until 1945
>>and from taking most if not all of Europe.
>
>Hitler's stupidity set up a situation in which Stalin was able to
>grab Eastern Europe. Stalin was prevented from going further by
>American guns, not Hitler's sagacity.

Rather the Jew-lackey American force prevented Germany from crushing
Stalin and then stood there and picked its ass while Stalin grabbed
huge portions for communism, Patton expressly forbidden to roll back
the Soviets.   The U.S did simply a splendid for dear old "Uncle Joe."


>>millions.  The Allies made Europe safe for Soviet take-over per the
>>desires of the degenerate pinko Jew-lackey FDR (himself a crypto-Jew).
>
>What, pray tell, is a crypto-Jew? 

Roosevelt was from a Jewish family and downplayed his Jewishness.

>I would hold Truman responsible for
>sitting by and letting Uncle Joe grab large portions of Europe, BTW.
>His advisers told Truman to treat Stalin like a big-city ward-boss,
>and Stalin and Gromyko perfected a good cop/bad cop routine.

Whatever the reason, the U.S. made Europe safe for the takeover by
your Soviet heroes.

>Congratulations Charles on having chosen the "right side" (sic).
>
>No congratulations to you, dimwit, for sucking up to Nazis.

The enemies of your Soviet heroes.  

>>The U.S. was sinking German ships on the high seas since before 1939
>>in an attempt to provoke war.  Attacking naval vessels in a causus
>>belli as you well know.   The U.S. had already declared its intent for
>>war with Germany first and was giving huge amounts of aid to the
>>Allies, who also waged war on Hitler first.  
>
>I'm not going to get into the above nonsense except to observe
>that you seem to agree that who formally declared war first is
>beside the point.

Sort of like saying A bombs B, B declares war, so therefore B is the
aggressor.  You've always been sort of dense Charles.  

>>At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
>>charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
>>"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
>>trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
>>1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.
>
>No reputable historian accepts that Jackson made any such charges,
>either.

No historian who doubts the dumb hoax is reputable in your knee-jerk
mind.  So what.

Kurt Stele

The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish
inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not
killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and
that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86
percent -- were unable to work. 

(Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German
document No. 128, in: H.)


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On 14 Dec 1996 04:41:26 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 12 Dec 1996 03:52:02 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>
>>  >>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
>  
>>  >>  	A typical kike shyster suggesting a harrassing lawsuit knowing full
>>  >>  well he is making another jew terrorist suggestion.  
>
>>  >	NO!   I am suggesting that a person who you have, with malice, lied 
>>  >about consider a a legal action against one of the parties responsible for that 
>>  >tortious act.  Of course, you do not like it.  It would interfer with your deliberate 
>and 
>>  >illegal harassment of others.
>
>>  What a kike shyster.
>
>	In other words, you beleive that people should not seek redress when a 
>liar like the criminal Giwer lies about them in public.  Thank you for the 
>endorsement of of the American system.
>
>	--YFE

Rather I condemn the legalism of your ilk and its impact on the U.S.
"Justice System" (sic) as well as your gutless whining. 

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:52:32 GMT, destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)
wrote:

>>The remainder of your discussion is irrelevant as no photographs were
>>taken of the site during the period Treblinka's operation.
>
>	There is no evidence that it was ever in operation.  So what is
>your point?  
>
>	There are plenty of pictures of Birkenau when it was supposed to be
>in the peak of its operation and there is no sign of anything unusual
>either.  That means there are no signs of any gassing there either.
>
>	It is clear from the pictures there is no place to put thousands of
>people out of sight of the rest of the camp.  Everyone would have seen
>the "gassees" lined up around the block waiting for their chance to
>inhale.  
>
>	Why is it you folks persist in this obvious nonsense?  

It's called "holohuggery."

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.



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On 14 Dec 1996 04:33:19 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 12 Dec 1996 01:44:34 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>  
>>  >>   the criminal Giwer, writing under an alias, his dishonest methodology:
>
>>  >	To which the criminal Giwer engaged in his usual defamation and 
>>  >invasion of pivacy:
>>  
>>  Has Giwer been tried in a court of law as a "criminal"?  He hasn't
>>  because you don't have the balls you whining wimpy Jew.
>
>	The criminal Giwer has admitted his criminal harassment.

Oh.  I see.  So you're slandering again.  Giwer has not been convicted
or even formally charged.   

>>    You're
>>  labelling him as a "criminal" is slander and premature.
>
>	He has violated the criminal laws.  He is a criminal.  He he objects, he 
>may sue.  He hasn't got the balls.

Giwer doesn't complain about slander   You are complaining about a
crime.  Yet -you- haven't got the balls Yalie-poo to file what you are
claiming is a crime.  Given your well-established record for brazen
lying and your consideration of the Nuremberg Kangaroo Court as a
paragon of justice, your legal opinion appears worthless.  

>>   He isn't a
>>  criminal unless found in a court of law.  Innocent until proven
>>  guilty.  Didn't they teach you anything in law school besides how to
>>  lie with a straight face, Yalie-poo?  I'm sure you were near the head
>>  of your class.  Call it an "ethnic advantage."
>
>	He's a criminal at the moment he violated the criminal laws.  He did so.

In lyin' Yalie-poo's worthless and gutless opinion.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:44:04 +0100, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
wrote:

>In article <58suqh$m12@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>
>
>>       Since, apaprently you are an ethnic German your comment is silly.
>>  
>I am not an ethnic German. You are lying and slandering again.
>
>
>>       No, nazi boy, *all* of their territory.  Their annouced program, as 
>>demonstrated, was to enslave and/or exterminate the locals.  Nor was this 
>>restricted to the places you named. 
>>
> So sure about that. In which way did they exterminate Bulgarians, Croats and
>Slovaks? Give me some concrete examples.
>>
>>>  The Earth was created only for the sake of the Jews. (Vayikra Rabba 36)
>>
>>
>>       Nazi boy Kreiberg responds to an attack on his beloved nazis with a 
>>burst of foot stomping anti-Semitism.  Apparently his bigotry is compounded 
>>by ignorance.  Anybody who has read the Talmud know that the citation he 
>>gives for the supposed "quotations"  are fraudulent.  Will nazi boy go back 
>>and tell his handlers they misinformed him again.  Don't bet on it.  
>>
> I have the quotes from a translation from 1892 by the Russian professor of 
>Hebrew I.B. Pranaitis. I have not heard that there should be anything 
>fraudulent here. Have you? Or are just lying again?

Oh, Yale's lying again.  But that's "jus' Yale!"  

> Take a look in the Jewish Encyclopedia page 617. Here you can read that
>the expression "The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed" is genuine 
>from the Talmud. In Hebrew it is "Tob shebe-goyim harog". This encyclopedia 
>is trying to explain it away in the following way: "This utterance has been
>felt by the Jews to be due to an exaggerated antipathy on the part of a 
>fanatic whose life experiences may furnish an explanation for his animosity;
>hence in the various versions the reading has been altered, "the best among 
>the Egyptians" being general substituted." [Perhaps in the latest versions 
>Egyptians have been substituted with Palestinians ;-) ]

That's one of the better Jewish spins on it I've seen.

>Let me take another interesting quote from the Talmud:
>
> "All Israelites will have a part in the future world... The Goyim [Non-Jews],  
>at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent down
>to hell." (Toldoth Noah and Lekh-Lekha)
>
>or what about this one: 

>"A Goy [Non-Jew] who pries into the Talmud is condemned to death, for it is 
>written, it is our inheritance, not theirs. (Sanhedrin 59a) 

hee hee.

>or this one is even better:
>
>To communicate anything to a Goy [Non-Jew] about our religious relations 
>would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim [Non-Jews] knew
>what we teach about them, they will kill us openly. (Libbre David 37)
>--
>Ole Kreiberg  http://login.dknet.dk/~olk

I guess Yale is going to explain away that one too as a "forgery."
Remember Yale's slogan:  "there ain't no lie too big to tell."   But
what more can one expect from someone considers the Nuremberg Court a
"fair trial"?  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.  


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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:04:14 GMT, msb@netcom.com (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:

>So Killey *is* a thoroughgoing antisemite, and the boycott 
>against the newspaper that published and stood by his work 
>was totally justified.

I note you do not refute Killey's article recounting the Jewish
boycott as yet another aspect of Jewish media control.  It is already
known that according to contemporary Newthink (Ukosher) even pointing
out Jewish media control is per se anti-semitic and a "hate crime." 

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers.
Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and needs. We will forever
destroy because we want a world of our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish
Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).



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On 14 Dec 1996 04:28:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 12 Dec 1996 01:36:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  >	No.  It's what's called educating an ignoramus (you) about the real 
>>  >meaning of a technical term.  To recap:
>
>>  >	1.  The chain of custody of the tape is established by calling to the stand 
>>  >the official at the National Archives supervising the maintanance of the tape.  In 
>>  >order to establish that custody he may utilize the business records of the 
>National 
>>  >Archives.
>
>>  >	2.  The prior history is established by the certified record of the IMT.
>
>>  >	3.  No further testimony is required.
>
>>  >	4.  Unless you present the court with a reasonable grounds for 
>>  >questioning the tape (i.e. some hard evidence) the judge is going to have a snit 
>>  >becasue you wasted his time.  (Note:  O.J.'s attorneys presented hard evidence 
>>  >that the required police procedures as to preserving evidence had not been 
>>  >followed and expert tetimony that indicated tampering with some of the physical 
>>  >evidence).
>
>>  >	5.  Your claim that the chain of evidence is not complete is based on 
>>  >your speculation that the tape is a forgery, your ignorance of the technical 
>>  >requirements of proving a chain of evidence, and your unsupported opinion of 
>the 
>>  >IMT.
>
>>  Untested = worthless.
>
>	Wrong.  You are lying again.  The question is not "testing" but 
>"identification."  It has been identified.


When are you going to submit your worthless tape to testing Yalie?
C'mon Yale, you should do it.  It's the closest thing you have to
physical evidence for the sorry little hoax.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:00:00 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <32b1ef6f.711314581@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:
>
>
>> Prove that Giwer has been adjudicated a "criminal."    Innocent until
>> proven guilty, Yalie-poo.  I thought you were a lawyer?  Maybe you
>> lied about that one too.
>
>First YOU admit that Chuck Ferree is not a war criminal, Mr. "I'm afraid to
>use my real name Stele."

For one I didn't call Chuck a "war criminal" as  I don't deal in
Orwellian phraseologogy.    Leave that for the Nizkooks and other
Allied atrocity apologists.
 
>Sara

So says Sara "Schwartz" of the ilk most famous for concealing and
changing their names for their own benefit.  

>"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
>Christian religion."
>       George Washington, 1796

Since neither was the government of the U.S. founded on Judaism why
are Jews permitted to control the media, an organ with more power than
the government?

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44)  


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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:13:39 -0800, "bochum26" 
wrote:

>
>
>Kurt Stele  wrote in article
><32b1f0a2.143438@news.micron.net>...
>> On 12 Dec 1996 05:23:58 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>> 
>> >Force (minesweeper@navy.water) wrote:
>>
> 
>> >
>> >The United States government fought against nazis like you in WWII.
>> >You were slaughtered. If so, the States and all the Free world will
>stand
>
>Lets' not give the americans to much credit for the defeat of the nazis. 
>the russians were the major force to bring down the nazis and suffered more
>losses than anybody in ww11.  

Which is why the Soviets were so instrumental in helping foist the
holohoax.   Soviet hoax ability was revealed by Katyn Woods to be
incompetent.   The holocaust is of no better quality.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44) 



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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:19:47 -0700, Patrick Lepine
 wrote:

>Force wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:32:50 GMT, bathroom@iglou1.iglou.com (Tim
>> Brown) wrote:
>> 
>> >minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:
>> >
>> >>      But rather, unless you have missed it, it is always jewish
>> >>organizations who lobby for laws to make it a crime to question or
>> >>challenge anything about the holocaust.  That alone makes them valid
>> >>targets in any free country.
>> >
>> >The entire Kentucky school system is run by morons who question the
>> >existence of the Holocaust, but I don't see anyone going to jail for it,
>> >as you claim is happening.
>> 
>>         I said "lobbying for" laws I did not say there were such laws as
>> yet.  But they get a "sense of Congress" resolution last year,
>> condemning anyone who questions the holocaust.  That is always a
>> useful first step.
>> 
>>         But the point remains, any lobbying against rights that pre-existed
>> the government is a valid target.
>> 
>> If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
>
>Mr Force:
>
>Having read several of your posts, I have noted that your grammar,
>diction, and spelling are atrocious.  You write stupid things like
>"sense of Congress" while trying to write "censure Congress."  Stop
>posting until you learn how to write the english language properly.
>
>Patrick Lepine@Pale

Maybe you should give up gratuitous wanna-be composition instruction
until after you first pass the junior high level course in reading
interpretation.   By all accounts do not quit your day job.   

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44) 


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On 16 Dec 1996 04:14:58 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>Arleigh Burke (destroyer@navy.water) wrote:
>
>: 	Danny boy, I am running a special on lives this week.  They are a
>: bargain due to an inadvertant overstock.  But two and I will throw in
>: a third for free.  
>
>Why? You offering yourself and your alter egos up for blood sacrifice?
>Sure. Kill yourself as many times as neccessary fascist freak.

Haw haw!  It's fun seeing you get rattled over a hoax.  Sort of like
prodding a fundie, or even a monkie in a cage.   

Don't worry about it.  If the "Holocaust" happens again all it means
is you'll have to do a bit of manual labor.   Jews then were given
theatre, orchestra, heated barracks and a swimming pool.  You'll
probably get cable and a whole lot more. 

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 06:36:40 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes:
>
># Six million?  We should have been so lucky.
>
>Matt, even if all the Jews were dead, you would still
>be the stupid, drunk, unemployed slob from Tampa, FL,
>that you are now.
>
>Wake up, Matt. It's not the Jews' fault. It's your
>fault.
>
>If all the Jews were dead, you'd simply have to look
>for someone else to hate and to blame for the sorry,
>pathetic joke which is your life.

Yeah yeah, OK Danny -- get back to work on the Schmuckocaust.  You're
not getting paid to keep prop up this Fairy Tale for nothing.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:32:20 GMT, destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)
wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:13:44 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:
>
>>On 12 Dec 1996 05:23:58 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:
>>
>>>Force (minesweeper@navy.water) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>: lucky to be saying anything at this point.  When Israel attacked the
>>>: Liberty, two nuke armed planes were targeted on Israel.  It is
>>>: unfortunate the response was not made at the time.       
>>>
>>>
>>>Huh? I don't recall Israel ever attacking any American ships. More of your
>>>delusions?
>>
>>Ignorant sod.
>
>	He isn't even brigth enough to know the party line to deny the
>truth.  
>
>>>: 	And if you folks succeed in drawing the US into a war in the middle
>>>: east for the support of Israel, remember just which nation has about a
>>>
>>>The United States government fought against nazis like you in WWII.
>>>You were slaughtered. If so, the States and all the Free world will stand
>>>again to exterminate your kind forever.
>>
>>You'll be facing several factions this time including hundreds of
>>millions of Arabs.  You think you can keep nukes out of Islamic hands
>>forever?  
>
>	It would appear in the interests of fairness and honesty that the
>Arabs should be sold nuclear weapons to restore the balance of power
>in the Middle East.  We really can't have Israel continuing to nuke
>Iraq like they did last time.  
>
>	BTW:  Did you know their nukes have no fail safe equipment?  They
>are no more safeties than any conventional bomb.  Can you imagine
>anything so reckless?  

Despicable.  But actually not surprising.

Kurt Stele

=====
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On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 18:15:51 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>>"
>>CATHEDRAL CUTS HYMNS 'OFFENSIVE TO JEWS'
>>
>>A LEADING Anglican cathedral has dropped verses from some of the 
>>Church's best-known Christmas hymns because they are deemed to be 
>>anti-Jewish.
>>
>>In a move criticised as "stretching political correctness", officials 
>>at York Minster have cut verses from the Advent hymns Lo! He comes 
>>with clouds descending  and  The advent of our God.
>>
>>The censored verses refer to the judgment of those who set Jesus "at 
>>naught", and the "faithless heart" of the "Daughter of Sion". Canon 
>>Paul Ferguson, the cathedral's Precentor, said the verses could be 
>>interpreted as anti-Semitic.
>>
>>... The Rev Clive Calver, director-general of the influential 
>>Evangelical Alliance, said: "It is terrifying. Soon we will find that 
>>the Cross is offensive, Jesus is offensive and the Resurrection is 
>>offensive, and we will have nothing left."
>
>	The Cross has already been deemed offensive here in the U.S. By
>the Jews of course.

The Israelis demonstrated how much "religious respect" they have for
the Islamic faith of Palestinians by deliberately trying to build a
tunnel underneath their holy land.  Their original unedited Talmud
calls Mary a whore and says Jesus is being boiled alive in hot
excrement.  

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 




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On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:57:37 GMT, destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)
wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 01:13:53 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:03:27 -0500, "Michael H. Klein"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>     O.K., Mr. McKinney.  Let's put you to the test.  Quote your
>>>Talmudic sources.  Give  the mesechta and blatt (such as Kiddushin 12b)
>>>where they are located.  Then I'll believe you.
>>>
>>>     One more question:  When you learn gemara, do you learn with
>>>Rishonim or only with Rashi and Tosfos?
>>>
>>>
>>>								Michael Klein
>>
>>Read the Jewish professor Shahak on the Talmud yourself.  Don't try to
>>hide the Talmud.  It's well-known the perversion and pathological
>>anti-goy hatred it contains.  That is most interesting in light of the
>>fact it is considered the Holiest Jewish book.
>
>	Speaking of which, what do you think those Talmud scholars do with
>those young boys all day and night long besides teaching them the
>Talmud?  Do you imagine it is anything like priests and altar boys?  

I imagine it's much the very same.  Since the original Talmud
authorizes the violation of young gentile children I'd say it's
probably considered kosher.

Kurt Stele

=====
If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.



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On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:46:25 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
># There was never extermination of Jews by gassing or any
># Reich plan ordered to exterminate Jews.   Had that been
># true the Allies would have found no Jews left alive in
># the "deathcamps" upon liberation.
>
>Please look at the following photos and tell me: just
>how many of the people in them are alive?
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
>
>belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
>belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
>belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
>belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses
>              in Belsen.
>belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave
>              in Belsen.

Please post the chain of custody and sources for these photographs,
Danny.  Then demonstrate how they evince extermination by gassing.
Then explain why there were Jewish inmates left behind and still alive
by the retreating Germans, some under the medical care of Germans,
since the purported intent was "extermination."  

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 03:13:01 GMT, destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)
wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 15:35:47 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>>>On 14 Dec 1996, Brian Harmon wrote:
>
>>>I wonder if that's anything like Mr. Moran's little errors about the
>>>"secular menorah" or how _Schindler's List_ was a bomb.  It's clear to me
>>>that Mr. Moran's claims on those two topics were a mix of error AND
>>>deliberate falsification... 
>>
>>	"Schindler's List" was a flop. A bomb. Splat.
>
>	Perhaps it should rather be referred to as a B movie with a big
>budget as that is all Spielberg has ever produced?  Except for his
>first while still in school, THX 11??, which was a B movie with next
>to no budget.  

They might as well cite Swindler's List itself as a "primary source."
The stuff they post here isn't forensically any different.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:10:27 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>^ 2. "The Jews are human beings , but the nations of the world are not human
>beings but       ^ beasts."-
>^ -Baba Mecia 114, 6 [i.e.: 114b].    
>
>Apparently a deliberate mistranslation. The passage deals with the technical
>rules of corpse-impurity which, according to the author of this text, apply to
>Jews and not to gentiles. In this connection Ezekiel 34:31 is cited: "And ye My
>sheep [referring to Israel], the sheep of My pasture, are _men [Hebrew:
>"adam"]_, and I am your God, saith the Lord God." From a careful midrashic
>reading of this Biblical verse, Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai deduced "Only "ye" [i.e.,
>Israel, not other nations] are designated "adam," in the sense that only Jewish
>corpses and graves generate impurity according to Numbers 19:14: "This is the
>law: when a _man ['adam']_ dieth in a tent, every one that cometh into the
>tent...shall be unclean seven days..."  The passage is legal and exegetical, not
>theological. If anything, it seems to put Jews on a lower footing than non-Jews.
>Typically, the words "but beasts" were added on by whoever put this list
>together. They do not appear in the original. 

And your proof that they were not part of the original is...?

How about this one, with a reference to Ezekiel

"How can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goy one is free from
punishment, since a Goy is also man?  But this is not true for it is
written:  Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men. [Ezekiel
34, 31).  You are thus called men, but the Goyim are not called men."


>^ 3. "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would 
>^     not have to be served by beasts.
>^     The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and commanded 
>^     to serve the Jew day and night."-
>^ -Midrasch Talpioth, p225-L. 
>
>I was unable to check this reference in my extensive Judaica library. The book
>"Midrash Talpiyyot" is appparently an obscure eighteenth-century Kabbalistic
>work that is little known and carries no authority whatsoever. 

How about this one Sara from Hilkhoth Akum, which has a reference to
Deuteronomy:

"Do not have any pity for the goyim, for it is said [Deuteronomy 7,
2]:  Show no mercy unto them.  Therefore if you see a goy in
difficulty or drowning, do not go to his help.  And if he is in danger
of death, do not save him from death."

I guess both that passage and Deuteronomy were the work of early,
"eeeevil neo-Nazis" acting in secret, right.  

How about this one:

"Even the best of the Goyim should be killed."  Abhodah Zarah (26b,
Tosephoth). 

Considering that there are anti-goyim quotations from nearly every
major section of the Talmud and even in the Old Testament as well, and
that Jewish Professor Shahak has recently commented on the anti-Goyim
hatred of the Talmud in depth, I wouldn't try to conceal it, Sara.

>By the way, I should note that not all the citations pulled out by our neo-Nazi
>friends are as easy to refute as this one. The Talmudic Rabbis, and some of
>their medieval successors, were creatures of their non-pluralistic times, and
>the Talmud said some really nasty things about their Roman occupiers--generally
>these were the "gentiles" referred to in ancient sources, depicted as utterly
>depraved heathens (a characterization that is not completely off the mark, if
>one reads Suetonius, Petronius and other contemporaries).

Then a German's dislike for Jewish occupation of their land is
justified as well.

>The Talmud is a mixed bag. It is a collection of many contradictory
>opinions, and not everything in it has been accepted as valid by posterity.

Read:  "Let's all just forget about those nasty little passages of
anti-Goyim hatred.   Rather everybody let's get our focus back on
condemning what should be of a higher concern:  anti-semitism."

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).



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On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 06:45:46 GMT, destroyer@navy.water (Halsey) wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 06:11:19 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:
>>
>># Mr. Giwer is a sad, sick old man who really does deserve
>># more pity than anything else.  The trouble is that his
>># illness makes him behave so badly that it's very difficult
>># to pity him.
>>#
>># But, again:  go to his web page and look at that face.
>># And if you can't find pity in your heart for that poor
>># loser, then look some more.
>>
>>Mr. Rosenberg, I could post some info about Giwer which
>>would make you pity him even more.
>>
>>He does deserve pity, I agree. He's a frustrated failure,
>>a zero, a 15-year-old punk in the body of a 50-year-old
>>man. A sorry clown who claims to have an IQ of 163, and
>>who could not find a job for the last 5 years.
>>
>>However, this is no excuse for his behavior. And, I believe,
>>his behavior indicates that it's not only his failure in
>>life which has made him what he is. He would have probably
>>been a revolting, disgusting swine, even if his life would
>>have been a success.
>
>	Since you have made the statement several times and thus pose as an
>expert, what is a "success" in life?  And when will you deem yourself
>a success?  When you have the obligatory 2.2 children, the house with
>the picket fence and the two car garage?  
>
>	What is a "success in life"?  I am certain the world is awaiting an
>answer to this question.  So take all the screens you need to answer
>the question.  

Danny's very much hung up over the fact he still has to show up at
work and "look busy" like the rest of the working world, unlike the
happily, early-retired Giwer.  But you'd think working for the
Nizkooks would be an easy enough job for Danny.  All he has to do is
push the macro button sending the same worthless packets of contrived
"SS testimony" and spurious "photo evidence" every now and again over
the line.   

Kurt Stele

"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as
being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer


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On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 08:00:33 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
>[Alleged racist "quotes" from Jewish sources]
>
>My, my. Good old nazi-boy here, the same one who
>wants to arrest, torture and deport Danish citizens
>because he doesn't like the color of their skin [1],
>now spews forth some rubbish he must have collected
>on some Nazi web-site...
>
>These quotes were posted here, many times. People
>have invariably commented on them, saying either
>the sources don't exist, or that the translation
>is false.
>
>So, nazi-boy, here's a challenge. Verify these "quotes"
>yourself, and post them, in the original language.
>
>That's a fair request, nazi-boy. How about it? it's
>your big chance to prove you're not a low-life, nazi,
>lying scum. Go for it.
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
>
>[1]
>
>
>
> From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 13 15:02:39 EDT 1996
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>
># Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some
># people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer
># qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been
># granted a residence permit they will have their status changed
># to illegal aliens and then treated accordingly.
>
> From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 20 14:57:46 EDT 1996
> Article: 113212 of alt.revisionism
>
># However, these camps are supposed to inspire it's inmates
># to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they
># should of course not be too attractive.
>
>

Oh now, come come Danny-boy.  A little morally indignant are we?  You
still have yet to provide the moral rationalization for your people's
"cleansing" the land of Palestinians.  There evidently is one rule for
the goose and another for the goyim.   Shall I post some quicktime
movies for you as well?   Pictures?   There is one of Palestinians
cleaning up the parts of dead Palestinian children after an
"accidental" Israeli shelling.   I'm sure that shelling was
'accidental' like everything else the Israelis have done to those
people for decades no doubt.   Since American dollars paid for the
shelling maybe you could provide us with an explanation for your
people's behavior.

Kurt Stele

"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as
being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer


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On 17 Dec 1996 00:48:22 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   destroyer@navy.water (Halsey) writes:
>>  On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 07:09:41 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>>  wrote:
>
>>  >"Some of the illegal settlers", in this case, were
>>  >a 12-year-old child and his 42-year-old mother.
>>  
>>  	Tought shit.  The mother is an adult and if the kid had his / her
>>  mitzah so was he.  That makes them all adults.  At the very least it
>>  makes the mother responsible for the child.  The mother then involved
>>  the child in a known dangerous process of stealing Palestinian land.  
>  
>>  	Blame her at the least and of mitzvahed blame the kid for his own
>>  stupidity in staying.  
>
>	Res ipsa loquitor.  It's ok. to kill 12-years old children as long as the 
>murder victim is a Jew.  There is no other way to read the statements of the 
>criminal Giwer.
>
>	--YFE

According to the logic of Nizkooks the carpet-bombing of Dresden was
justified because the unarmed civilians and women and children were
"helping the war effort."  Giwer's statement only dishes back the same
logic.   You don't like that though, do you, little criminal lying
Yalie-poo.

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 16 Dec 1996 07:52:58 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <32b4fc0d.1392019@news.gte.net>,
>Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) under the name
>Halsey  wrote:
>>On Sun, 15 Dec 96 16:40:35 PDT, Mike Cullinan 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I was brought in here following one of Giwer's trolls, so I guess I'll
>>>stick around and watch for a while.
>>
>>	Please do.  The more the merrier.
>>	
>>	And as a newcomer, you will be amazed as to what you are required
>>to believe as a full fledged holobuggerer.
>
>    It is not nearly as amazing as what is required in order to believe
>the lies of Matt Giwer.
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html

Let's look at this "Nizkor cite" closely:

From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism 
Subject: Re: Mauving right along 
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 03:03:11 GMT 
Message-ID: <4t1ff2$al0@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> 

>>>          [Giwer] "It was recently observed that when the holohugger story  
>>>          changes it is those on the other side who are accused of changing." 

>>[Grynspan] "Matt, you changed your story about Dahlman and his provider 
>>so many times that it must have worn out the phosphor on at least one screen. 

>[Giwer] "Because I have no intention of leading him to exactly what he did wrong 
>that caused it to be shut down. It is very simple and straightfoward. It is also very 
>easy to overlook. He continues to overlook the reason." 

To which Michael Stein replies: 

>"In other words, you openly admit you deliberately lied at least two out of the three 
>times. Now that we have your completely candid admission that you are a wilful liar, 
>the only question is how many other lies you have told, including about your scientific 
>knowledge. 

Stein's commentary does not follow necessarily.  Giwer did not
necessarily "lie" as his reply "because I have no intention..." could
very well be (and probably is) Giwer's interpretation of Grynspan's
comment as a misunderstanding on the latter's part, or an
interpretation of Grynspan as having misunderstood the intention of
Giwer not specifying "what [the person] did wrong."   At any rate,
Giwer is not "openly admitting" to having lied about anything.  

To that Stein draws the sweeping conclusion:

>"Obviously nothing at all you say can be trusted, since you have now 
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>revealed your willingness to lie when it suits your purposes." 

In that thread Stein, in a leap of grade-school quality, seized a
questionable discrepancy to try to discredit the entire sum -all- of
Giwer's writing.  Stein now posts a Nizkor URL that claims "Giwer lies
openly."  

Kurt Stele

"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as
being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer 





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On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 02:10:09 -0700, Patrick Lepine
 wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> On 12 Dec 1996 05:26:30 GMT, jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

>> >We'll take you down, blood for blood.
>> 
>> Actually Jews would be nothing without parasitism on the goyim.  It
>> must be hard being a parasite at times.  Your triumph is always
>> incomplete.  You want to gloat about your victory yet you can't do it
>> loudly lest the goyim throw the Jews out again as has been done
>> repeatedly throughout history.  You think yourself invincible?
>> 
>> Kurt Stele
>
>Interesting how these Anti-semitic types always pretend to be Christian.
>Jesus Christ, according to the novel, was a jew much longer than he was
>not.  Interesting how they could hate the religion that fathered their
>own.  Self-loathing?  

>Patrick Lepine@Pale

Now you find evidence of "Christianity" in my writing?  For the sake
of your God-forsaken students please take the junior high reading
comprehension course again.  Otherwise you have no business teaching
composition.    

Kurt Stele

"All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as
being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer 



From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 18 08:18:32 PST 1996
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On 16 Dec 1996 00:53:50 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  >On 14 Dec 1996 04:39:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  Yale Edeiken:
>  
>>  >>	No. 
>>  It is really hard to believe that you are conected to law in any way
>>  whatsoever.
>  
>>  >> I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal 
>>  >>laws.
>  
>>  This is true. But it must - by sheer definition - be proved in a court
>>  of law. As a close friend and leading UK barrister said to me
>>  yesterday, "One can CONSIDER someone to have committed a criminal act,
>>  but he is NOT a criminal until he be so JUDGED."
>
>	In this case, I and my family are the victims of the crimes committed by 
>the criminal Giwer.  I will continue to so describe him in the future.
>
>  
>>  >  he has done so.  He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are violation 
>>  >>of the criminal laws.  
>  
>>  You may say this, but he has not been so judged in a court of law.
>>  I think it very important for you to remember, and I cannot emphasise
>>  this too strongly, that you saying that Mr Giwer is a criminal is NOT
>>  the same as a judge or a jury FINDING him a criminal AFTER A TRIAL.
>
>	You are correct.  It is not the same thing.  It is , however, true.
>
>>  There has been no such trial, therefore, strictly speaking he is NOT a
>>  criminal. And for you to say so, is silly or at best an opinion, of no
>>  greater objective value than, say, Mr Stele's when he says that Mr
>>  Giwer is not.
>
>	It is neither silly or an opinion.  It is a statement of fact.  The criminal 
>Giwer has, in fact, admitted committing the acts.  You have been provided the 
>text of the statute involved.
>
>  
>>  But you keep saying that Mr Giwer has committed criminal acts against
>>  you, yet you have not filed a complaint. Is that not the same?
>
>	And your basis for saying that is?
>
>	--YFE

Show your hand you lying stooge.  Are you now saying you -have- filed
a complaint you boozing coward?

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 17 Dec 1996 00:44:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:32:54 GMT, the criminal Giwer wrote:
>
>>  
>>  >On 14 Dec 1996 04:47:43 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  >>>  >	Not only were there no restrictions on content but the statements 
>>  >>>  >were given *after* the closing arguments of the prosecution.  Not only 
>were the 
>>  >>>  >defendants not cross-examined on their statements but the prosecution 
>was not 
>>  >>>  >permitted to respond to any of the statements.
>>  >>	Another idiot heard from:
>
>>  >>	1.  Please name a jurisdiction using anglo-american law where a 
>>  >>defendant may make a statement to the finder of fact without 
>cross-examination or 
>>  >>rebuttal.
>
>>  >>	2.  Please name a single item of evidence entered into evidence by the 
>>  >>Tribunal that does not conform to Rule 803 or Rule 804 of the U.S. Code of 
>>  >>Evidence.
>
>>  >	I thought you would never get around to mentioning evidence.  Who
>>  >issued the search warrants under which the evidence was collected?  Or
>>  >did they just go busting into the imagined crime scene without
>>  >probable cause?  
>  
>>  Oh Yalie-poo, where are you?  
>
>	Laughing too hard to compose an answer.  Not only have the criminal 
>Giwer and his little dog Stele failed to account for the expansive rights given the 
>nazi defendants at Nuremberg but now they think that Amendment IV applies to 
>the archives of foreign governments during wartime.  If it were not for the fact that 
>it is the criminal Giwer and and the schnauzer posting, it would be pathetic.

Side-stepping the issue I see.

>	The funny thing is that thy are propably starting to believe the nonsense 
>they make up.

The criminal lying Yalie-poo thought he could get away with it.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:42:09, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
wrote:

>In article <32b5d31c.68439318@news.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>The Israelis demonstrated how much "religious respect" they have for
>>the Islamic faith of Palestinians by deliberately trying to build a
>>tunnel underneath their holy land.  
>
>What's fascinating about Kurt/Brian's rantings is how rarely he's right, even 
>by accident.  
>
>The riots weren't caused by the "building" of a tunnel -- or the excavation of 
>one -- but by quite deliberate lies from Arafat's PA, after the Israeli 
>government opened the other end of a tunnel that had already been there, that 
>was already being used, and that -- of all the holy sites in Jerusalem -- was 
>adjacent to only a Jewish one:  the Western Wall.  
>
>Facts, as Dan Quayle said, are stupid things -- but not as stupid as 
>Kurt/Brian.  

Yeah.  I've heard this one before.  The Palestinian's protests about
the tunnel were much ado about "nothing" and the Palestinians always
shoot first.  

Right.

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a
time, shackling them in contorted or bent-over positions and confining
them in tiny chairs or closet-like cubicles. Routinely deprived of
sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in their
clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being
bombarded with loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture
is "hooding," compelling those held for questioning to wear
foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."  

[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]




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On Sun, 15 Dec 1996 02:32:45 GMT, destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke)
wrote:

>On 13 Dec 1996 15:07:36 -0500, karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L.
>Power) wrote:
>
>>destroyer@navy.water (Arleigh Burke) writes:
>
>>>	And AS YOU IMPLY the numbers of deaths from each cause added up to
>>>6 million before the revision.  But you folks have never agreed as to
>>>which cause was increased by 3 million.  All you folks do is pretend
>>>it added up before and after and refuse to deal with that being
>>>impossible.  
>>
>>As is not unusual with this line of reasoning, your words are rather
>>incoherent. What you are trying to say is (correct me if I'm wrong):
>>
>>If the figure of six million Jewish victims included four million
>>Auschwitz victims, how can it remain six million if the true Auschwitz
>>figure for Jewish deaths is now agreed to be one million or so?
>
>	That is NOT and IF.  The six million DID include four million from
>Auschwitz. 
>
>>The problem here is that you are assuming that the figure 6,000,000
>>ever included the aforementioned 4,000,000 as a component. Please
>>quote an orthodox historical source which does this. No one has ever
>>done this on this newsgroup, to my knowledge. 
>
>	Your pretensions are amusing but ... the three million reduction
>was BEFORE the newsgroup started.  As for orthodox historical source
>gee, which of the two are you referring to?  Writers, me boy, writers.
>It means just where did the total come from if not from adding up the
>component parts? 
>
>	Or are you agreeing with me that six million was made up then and
>is still an invented number?  You do appear to be agreeing with me
>that the six million number has no basis in fact either then or now.  
>
>	It is good that you have gotten into this as it allows me to point
>out that the numbers did not add up then and do not add up now.  In
>other words, six million was pulled out of some jewish numerologer's
>ass.  

I would like to see just for my own amusement the six million number
added up again -- this time including the four million deduction.  It
will no doubt rival the 24-hour a-day-3-bodies-to-a-muffle,
balls-to-the-wall never-cooled-down-once crematoria calculation to
make the numbers A-B numbers add up.   But this I've gotta see.   Who
will be the medicine showman on this occasion?   Danny?  Von
Smallstein?   Somebody get a Nizkook in here.  It's showtime.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44) .




>>The usual method for calculating Jewish victims of the Third Reich is
>>through before-and-after population figures in the various countries of
>>origin. There are obvious flaws inherent in this method, but it's 
>>probably as good as can be done. 
>
>	Obvious flaws?  Off the top of my head there are two critical ones.
>
>
>	1)	There were no immediate pre and immediate post war census taken.
>
>	2)	There are no causes of failing to show up on the latter census
>included.  
>
>	Thus there is no basis whatsoever for considering the difference to
>have anything to do with the war much less a particular aspect of
>those years.  
>
>>>	The US had every choice in the world to let the SU fall to the
>>>Germans.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the Nazis showed no sign that they would be satisfied
>>with the SU, nor with any finite amount of conquests. Hitler kept
>>getting "peace in our time" with his "just this one last little bit of
>>territory" routine; eventually even the most moronic of those in
>>endangered countries stopped falling for it.
>
>	Excuse me but the Soviet Union, in all of the time it existed never
>showed any sign that it would be satisfied with control of Eastern
>Europe.  I fail to see the difference.  And besides, the controlled
>more of Europe than Germany ever dreamed of controlling. 
>
>=====
>If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.



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On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 16:56:19 GMT, memory@cts.com (M.M.) wrote:

>>Thus spake Indigo Jo (mts5@aber.ac.uk):
>
>>  Who created Jordan and Kuwait? who installed their dictators? who
>>comes running when thier oil production is threated yet ignores genocide
>>in europe 2 years later? 
>
>The United States, along with the rest of the world came running, and
>kicked the hell out of a wacko Islamic fundamentalist dictator. 
>
>Randy

U.S. lackeys whooping up on countries for the military interest of
Israel is something that evidently excites your glands.

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44).  



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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:48:32 GMT, fresh@scscomm.com (Andrew Mathis)
wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>>>Answer me this:  who wanted war?
>>>
>>>Britain?  France?  They were willing to sell out Czechoslovakia for peace.
>
>>Britain and France declared war on Germany.
>
>After Germany invaded their ally Poland.

But letting Poland invade other lands was OK with the Allies, as well
as the Soviet's invasion of Finland and Poland.   Polish and Soviet
aggression was "OK" with Allies but not German.  The Allies'
hypocritical and selective sympathies once again.  

>>>The USA?  The USA didn't even *enter* the war until 1941!
>
>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to
>>provoke Hitler into a war.
>
>Uh, no.  The UK was destroying German vessels with US hardware, but
>this was *after* the war began.

Wrong.  

>>>Who wanted war?  The *NAZISCHWEIN* wanted war!  The Nazischwein attacked
>>>Poland, with no provocation whatsoever.
>
>>The Soviets attacked Finland and Poland invaded nearby territory as
>>well.  And there was no declaration of war against them but only
>>against Germany.
>
>That's because the allies weren't fool enough to fight Russia in a
>war.

Russia was highly vulnerable at that point as they could hardly defeat
Finland at first.   After the war the U.S. also refused to force the
U.S.S.R give up Soviet-occupied territory, even though the Soviets
were easily defeatable at that point as well.  The U.S. had just
fought to destroy "Nazi Agression" but let the U.S.S.R. keep several
countries under its rule and to liquidate millions of people -- with
the U.S.'s help of course.  It is no wonder WWII was referred to as
the Crusade to Save the Soviet.

>>>>So you see, Chuck;  we Nazi's aren't so evil after all, are we?  And
>>>>we never were.
>>>
>>>Then why the massacre of the Jews?  Why did the Nazischwein attack Poland?  If
>>>the Nazischwein were such angels, there would have been no war in Europe!
>
>>War in Europe was inevitable because of Versailles.  Versailles was
>>precipitated by the last-second defeat of Germany made possible only
>>through a  timely revolution staged by Jews in Germany (under Rosa
>>Luxembourg) to ensure Allied victory according to plan (The Balfour
>>Declaration struck between Jews and Britain to give the Jews
>>Palestine.).  There was never extermination of Jews by gassing or any
>>Reich plan ordered to exterminate Jews.   Had that been true the
>>Allies would have found no Jews left alive in the "deathcamps" upon
>>liberation.  
>
>Yawn.  The Nazis had plenty of time before January 1945, when
>Auschwitz became inactive, to kill off several thousand Jews before
>bugging out for Germany, where the remaining inmates wereinterned at
>Buchenwald, unless they had typhus or were shot along the way.

Your response doesn't even begin to explain how -any- Jews, much less
thousands of Jews, were left alive in camps by the retreating Germans.
or that Germans also retreated with Jews whom they did not
"exterminate" either.   These completely refute the extermination
thesis.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On 14 Dec 1996 19:13:37 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net wrote:

>Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> writes:
>
>>Source of info on Jew traitor Pollard- They Dared to Speak Out by former
>>Rep. Findlay of Illinois. You can find out more about Pollard if you
>>would turn off your MTV and do research. 
>
>I rather imagine any participant who has been literate for the last
>five or six years knows enough about Pollard. What I find fascinating
>is how certain assholes have a fixation on this case. Didn't you read
>recently about the case of a South Korean immigrant who did virtually
>the same thing--turned over sensitive U.S. intelligence to another
>government (the Republic of Korea) toward which he felt loyalty? This
>story came and went, and for the life of me I don't even remember the
>guy's name, but we hear endlessly about Pollard.

We do not give South Korea 5.5 billion dollars a year.  And we do hear
endlessly about the fake holocaust.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On 17 Dec 1996 06:01:20 GMT, "Thomas Stedham" 
wrote:

>Dude, you misunderstood. The writer, Jack Kelley, did not post the article
>or the follow-up. The NATIONAL ALLIANCE, admittedly a pro-Nazi, anti-jew
>organization, obtained copies and posted them. It was the NATIONAL ALLIANCE
>who directed readers to contact the National Alliance, not the writer.
>Freespeech is a National Alliance publication, which simply reprinted the
>article and the writer's commentary on it, which he did _not_ submit to the
>National Alliance.
>
>I have originals of both, and the writer NEVER contacted the National
>Alliance. Anyone can post articles, letters, etc. If I post a mildly
>anti-Israeli article from say, Time, (not that we would ever see one...)
>but if I did post something like that and then I directed readers to
>contact the KKK, obviously it doesn't mean that _Time_ magazine is
>directing readers to the KKK.
>
>Think about the internet, and how easy it is to publish information before
>you go off next time....
>
>And, I'm not sure what your definition of an antisemite is, but to me,
>anyone who merely points out statistical facts, such as the enormously
>disproportionate amount of Clinton jewish appointees, is not a
>"thoroughgoing (is that a word?) antisemite", merely a concerned and
>observant LOYAL American citizen.  Since our nation gives $billions in aid
>(our tax money!) to Israel, it is of interest to American tax-payers to
>know people's backgrounds, and where there loyalties lie.

Surely, revealing the facts about Clinton's 2000% disproprortionate
appointment of Jews is, according to its indefinitely elastic
definition, "anti-semitic."

Kurt Stele

"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel:
$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October
Issue, page 44)    


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On 14 Dec 1996 04:39:12 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 10 Dec 1996 22:44:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  >	Perhaps the criminal Giwer does not, but his ISP does.
>
>>  Prove that Giwer has been adjudicated a "criminal."    Innocent until
>>  proven guilty, Yalie-poo.  I thought you were a lawyer?  Maybe you
>>  lied about that one too.
>
>	No.  I need only prove that the criminal Giwer has violated the criminal 
>laws.  he has done so.  He has, in fact, admitted to the acts which are violation 
>of the criminal laws.  I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the criminal 
>Giwer.  You know, the bum who hasn't even the guts to file suit against against 
>someone he claims is defaming him.  He, at least, is smart enough to know that 
>truth would be a defense.

Giwer hasn't broken -any- laws, lying shyster.   

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.


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On 16 Dec 1996 21:37:30 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <19961212195400.OAA12467@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>Tutu101  wrote:
>>Re:  "The Big Mistake"--To think that there are people and agencies
>>seeking to stifle free inquiry into this historical event!  Here is yet
>>another example among hundreds, perhaps thousands, as to why the Holocaust
>>should be subjected to detailed analysis, to determine the accuracy and
>>truthfulness of the claims.
>
>    And just what does that have to do with so much of what gets posted
>here by "revisionists?"  E.g., "The Himmler Posen speech tape was
>doctored" is neither an analysis nor an inquiry.  It is an assertion based
>on no evidence at all.

An assertion no less based on evidence than the assumption that the
tape is undoctored.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 






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On 14 Dec 1996 05:38:00 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  On 11 Dec 1996 04:03:20 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>  
>>  >>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>
>>  >>  Post war photos of Typhus victims having nothing to do with any
>>  >>  "exterminations".
>
>>  >	You can diagnose typhus from photographs?
>
>>  >	I really hope that you are going to write up this technique and submit it 
>>  >to a medical journal or two.
>  
>>  Alongside your article that one can diagnose gassing from photos,
>>  especially bodies which appear emaciated and sickly, the common state
>>  of bodies after typhus or starvation.  
>
>	Of course, no one has made this statement,  Stele is lying again.
>
>	--YFE

I'll bite my tongue on this one.   

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:07:20 -0600, Doc Tavish
<"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> wrote:

>pgroff wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:56:43 -0600, Doc Tavish
>> <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >If you would only read Lucy S. Dawidowicz's book THE WAR AGAINST THE
>> >JEWS 1933-1945 by Bantam Books Incorporated (#13084-6, 1979 ed). The book's
>> 
>> Not only have I read the book, but I possess it within my library, so
>> lets just see how accuratly you quoted from the book
>> 
>> >"Acknowledgements" starts with: "This book had its genesis
>> >in a course I developed at the suggestion of Rabbi David Mirsky, Dean of
>> >Stern College for Women, Yeshiva University (New York, New York 10033-3201).
>> I already have problem with your quote, since "(New York, New York
>> 10033-3201)" dosen't appear in the text of the book.
>> 
>> >...I am indebted to the Yivo Institute for Jewish Research, the Blaustein
>> >Library of the American Jewish Committee..." On page xxvi Ms.
>> 
>> Again I have a problem with the above quote, the Original quote should
>> read, "I am indebted to Miss Dian Abramowicz, librarian of the YIVO
>> Institute for Jewish Research, and to Mr. Harry J. Alderman, head of
>> the Blaustein Library of the American Jewish Committee..."
>> 
>> >Dawidowicz declares: "Consistently, I have used Jewish sources
>> >as the lenses through which to view the Jewish community and to analyze
>> >Jewish behavior." This serious research project does not use any pro
>> >Nazi literature, it only uses what Jews themselves wrote. You must
>> >keep this in mind as you read the following material. All material will
>> >be from the one book by Ms. Dawidowicz unless otherwise noted!

>> > >> The above so-called quote is nothing more then an invention. Notice >> that in each instance "doc tavish" changes the quote from the book and >> author in question, while each one is small, the third is a >> fabrication. What should this tell people?? that this person isn't >> telling the truth. Now if I have found three errors, two minor, one a >> serious fabrication, how much more has this person twisted and lied >> about the rest of what it posts?? >> >> Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource >> Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/ >> Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi? >> European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/ >> | >> In Memory of Pooh.Bah > >Alright sports fans. First I did put the address in when it wasn't >listed, I put it in parenthesis so anyone can make a contact. Second my >edition shows the names as I have quoted and third and most important >Nizkor has not refuted any of my submission because you know well that >it is the work of Dawidowicz! If I would have misspelled a word or put a >quotation mark in the wrong place would that have been used as a proof >that I submitted a twisted document also? I am going to submit a text >version of the same document and I will let the readers of the postings >decide who is twisting the truth. I ahve zero respect for your group and >I have read the new file you have started in my honor. If you quote this >post you need to quote it in every word. Hear this all truth seekers I >have issued a challenge for all. Nizkor will not refute the content and >they do not want you to know- read yourselves- decide for yourselves. > Doc Tavish (Just quote me right) >P.S. I will keep on submitting the same said document too! Are you going >to get Mossad to snuff me to shut me up? Jews have succeeded in establishing "thoughtcrime" in several European countries. Not surprisingly the ADL is the guiding spirit behind Orwellian "hate crime" legislation in America. There is little doubt the Jewish establishment would like America to possess laws criminalizing holocaust denial that have been passed in Germany. Kurt Stele Who ever knew truth to be put to the worse in a free and open encounter -- Milton From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 20 07:02:51 PST 1996 Article: 86953 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!trellis.wwnet.com!news.thenet.net!news1.best.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed' Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:09:21 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <32b5d376.68529080@news.micron.net> References: <589ahq$m28@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <32aee191.28033445@news.gte.net> <32b0817a.7380656@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi031p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:25:48 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >minesweeper@navy.water (Force) writes: > ># Have it your way, neither Stalin's murders or the ># Holocaust happened. > >No, clown. YOUR argument was "since you can't produce >6 million corpses, the Holocaust is a hoax". Applying >YOUR "logic", since no one can produce the alleged 10 >million corpses of Stalin's persecutions, or the >alleged 70,000 corpses of Dresden's bombing, these >events are also a "hoax". Rather because the Holocausters can't produce physical evidence. The corpse problem is only one of your worries. >How stupid can you be? I am not stating my opinion, >but applying YOUR argument. > >According to YOUR "logic", Stalin never killed anyone, >and Dresden was never bombed. Only if the amount of physical evidence for the Holocaust and Dresden were the same, which exists only in your holohugger mind and the fifth dimension. >Is it FINALLY clear? I know you are very stupid, but >even you should be able to understand this. You should be able to be honest about the lack of forensic evidence but you cannot because your holohugger religion reflects your biases. Just like anything else. Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 20 07:02:51 PST 1996 Article: 86990 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: The Destruction of Joe McCarthy (Part 2) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 03:13:50 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 419 Message-ID: <32b76129.99973156@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi033p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Under pressure from influential Jewish columnist George Sokolsky and the Jewish president of the Hearst Corporation, Richard Berlin, both purported anti-Communists, McCarthy announced on January 2, 1953, that 26-year-old Roy Cohn would be the chief counsel of the Investigations Subcommittee. Cohn, the son of New York Supreme Court Judge Albert Cohn, had been well served by his Jewish connections in the past, having been hired as an assistant U.S. attorney immediately after passing the New York bar examination. Cohn himself later admitted that he was hired by McCarthy primarily because he was a Jew: "There was a growing slander abroad in the land . . that McCarthy was a Jew-hater . . . and he wanted to deflect it. I was the obvious answer, and the alternative -- [Robert Kennedy,] the son of the well-known, well-documented anti-Semite Joseph P. Kennedy, the former pro-Hitler ambassador to the Court of St. James -- was the last person McCarthy needed to head his committee." It probably need not be stressed that the Jews themselves were the source of this "slander" that McCarthy felt obliged to counter. Thus, McCarthy was stuck with Cohn; privately he expressed the fear that if Cohn resigned for any reason the charge of "anti-Semitism" immediately would be raised against him again. Furthermore, with most of the news media already solidly against him, McCarthy was desperate for some favorable press coverage. Illinois Republican Senator Everett Dirksen commented, "Cohn was put on the Committee by the Hearst press, and Joe doesn't dare lose that support." Cohn, who died of AIDS in 1986, was a homosexual, and rumor of the perversion became widespread after Cohn had brought another young Jew, G. David Schine, onto McCarthy's staff. According to Cohn himself in his autobiography, Cohn and Schine were then rumored to be "Jack and Jill." This rumor was undoubtedly a great embarrassment to McCarthy, since the controlled media had not yet succeeded in making homosexuality fashionable, and homosexuals were among the security risks to be investigated. At Cohn's insistence, Schine was accepted as an unpaid "chief consultant" on Communism. Schine's credentials for this position were that he had authored a pamphlet, "Definition of Communism," which his wealthy parents had allowed him to distribute in their hotel chain. This pamphlet gave incorrect dates for the Russian Revolution and the founding of the Communist Party, confused Marx with Lenin, Stalin with Trotsky, and Kerensky with Prince Lvov, and got Lenin's name wrong. The Jewish millionaire-playboy was thus highly qualified, in Cohn's view, to be a consultant. McCarthy hoped that he could save himself from accusations of "anti-Semitism" with Roy Cohn, and if necessary, with Dave Schine. But the day McCarthy accepted these two Jews as his assistants was the day his downfall really began. As the son of a Jewish multi-millionaire, Schine had avoided the draft for the Korean War by getting himself classified 4-F. As soon as he became a staff member of McCarthy's committee, however, at the instigation of left-wing journalist Drew Pearson the Army reclassified Schine 1-A and drafted him. Thus, the stage was set for Roy Cohn to involve McCarthy in a dispute with the United States Army. It is clear that McCarthy was dragged into this dispute against his will. Army lawyer John Adams relates: "Senator McCarthy spoke out quite freely about his irritation over Schine. He told me that the individual is of absolutely no help to the committee, was interested in nothing but the photographers and getting his picture in the papers, and that things had reached the point where he was a complete pest. McCarthy stated to me quite emphatically that he was anxious to see this individual drafted, and . . . he hoped . . . we would send him as far away as possible "to get him out of [his] hair." . . . "Send him wherever you can, as far away as possible. Korea is too close." Cohn raised hell with the Army, first threatening revenge for the drafting of Schine, then agitating for special treatment for his putative boyfriend. John Adams stated in a January 21, 1954, meeting in Attorney General Herbert Brownell's office that demands for the names of Army loyalty-board members usually were preceded by flare-ups over the reassignment of Schine. McCarthy was not happy about this behavior, and he privately complained that Cohn was indeed carrying out a vendetta against the Army on account of Schine. McCarthy had instructed Adams on December 17, 1953, that, having learned the extent of the interference Cohn and Schine were causing for the commanding general of Fort Dix, he wished the Army to discontinue all special treatment for Schine. Subsequently, the alleged anti-Communist Jew, columnist George Sokolsky, contacted Adams repeatedly, continuing to urge special treatment for Schine. On February 12, 1954, Sokolsky went so far as to tell Adams that he, Sokolsky, would "get them to drop all this stuff they are planning for the Army [i.e., McCarthy's investigation of Communist subversion in the Army]," if a special assignment were arranged for Schine. It seemed that Sokolsky was more concerned about the comfort and convenience of one fellow Jew than about the national security of the United States -- or he was deliberately exacerbating the animosity between the Army and McCarthy. Meanwhile, in late January 1954 a story in the New York Post featured Fort Dix recruits complaining that Schine lived among them like a visiting dignitary -- and Joseph McCarthy was taking the blame. Secretary of the Army Robert Stevens said that he was wary about "discriminating against" Schine, because Schine was a Jew. Likewise, McCarthy said that he was afraid to fire Cohn, "because [I] might be accused of being anti-Semitic." Here we have the Secretary of the Army and the chairman of a Senate committee, both paralyzed by fear of being called "anti-Semitic," allowing 26-year-old Roy Cohn and the utterly inconsequential G. David Schine to walk all over them. It was not only the fact that McCarthy had felt the wrath of the Jews when he had spoken out against the barbarous treatment of German prisoners five years earlier that made him wary of offending them again. His investigations into Communist subversion were turning up a vastly disproportionate number of Jewish Communists, and he was afraid that the Jews would believe he was hunting Jews rather than Communists. By using the threat of investigation as a weapon to coerce the Army into giving special treatment to his friend Schine, Cohn had tainted the legitimacy of McCarthy's patriotic work. Cohn was creating exactly the impression of reckless disregard for fairness and propriety that McCarthy had wished to avoid. McCarthy had apparently hoped that the alleged anti-Communist Jews with whom he dealt were what they claimed to be. With their involvement, however, all his efforts met with grief. If the Senator had taken account of Jewish traits -- especially their bent for deception, which goes far beyond anything encountered in the Gentile world -- then perhaps he would have braved the charges of "anti-Semitism" rather than tolerate Jews on his staff. The anti-Communist credentials of Jewish columnist George Sokolsky, for example, who had recommended Roy Cohn, were invented rather late in life. In 1917, at the age of 24, Sokolsky had gone to Russia with a large number of other Jews, filled with ardor for the prospect of world Communism and hoping to lend a hand to the Bolsheviks in fastening the Communist yoke on the Russians. For a while he edited the English-language Communist newspaper Daily News in Petrograd; then he left for China to practice his journalistic skills on behalf of the revolutionary leader Sun Yat-sen, who was working to set up a Communist government in China and was receiving aid from the Soviets. In 1931, claiming disillusionment with the methods of Bolshevism, he returned to the United States, where he used different methods. As a right-wing columnist for the Hearst newspapers, Sokolsky was well-placed to accomplish much for the Jewish obsession with the New World Order by misdirecting the anti-Communist movement into blind alleys, false hopes, and confusion -- and away from the truth. Considering these facts, are we justified in believing his claim that he had completely changed his ideals and in the 1950s was fervently against what he had been fervently for earlier in Russia and China? A clue may be provided by Sokolsky's 1935 book, We Jews, in which he lamented the fact that Jews are not even more cohesive than they are. Certainly, no race-conscious Jew could have genuinely supported McCarthy's efforts to root Communists out of positions of influence in American life, since he would have understood that exposing Communism meant exposing Jews. Similarly, Roy Cohn, who called Sokolsky his "rabbi," was another member of the far left who claimed a miraculous conversion: as late as 1949 he was openly calling anti-Communism a "witch-hunt" and said that Alger Hiss was a victim of a "right-wing conspiracy." Given the legendary cohesiveness of the Jewish people and the Jewishness of Communism, one is justified in viewing these overnight conversions with suspicion. There is more than Roy Cohn's youthful attachment to leftist causes to make us suspicious of his motives: his father Albert Cohn had been the first judge appointed by Franklin Roosevelt after the latter became governor of New York. Thus, the Cohns were firmly attached to the very clique that had fostered what McCarthy called "twenty years of treason." It looks very much as if McCarthy, who wished so much to avoid crossing the Jews, allowed himself to be swindled in the age-old game of Good Jew/Bad Jew. The man whom Eisenhower had appointed Secretary of the Army, Robert Stevens, head of the J.P. Stevens textiles business, was staunchly anti-Communist, having witnessed the pernicious influence of Communists in exacerbating labor disputes. Stevens was even distrustful of New Deal supporters. He was thus appointed not as a member of the New World Order clique around Ike, but merely as a valuable (if misguided) Republican booster. Stevens had apparently taken Eisenhower's anti-Communist campaign rhetoric at face value. Upon assuming office in February 1953, Stevens requested a briefing on the Army's Loyalty and Security Program: "The presentation should set forth what steps are to be taken to prevent disloyal and subversive persons from infiltrating the Army, and what steps have been taken to discover and remove such persons who may have found their way into the Army Establishment." So concerned was Stevens about combatting subversion that he asked advice from J. Edgar Hoover, director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Finally, when Stevens heard that McCarthy was concerned about security risks in the Army, he rushed a telegram to him, offering his assistance in the investigation. McCarthy's staff announced on September 10, 1953, that there was very serious evidence of espionage at Fort Monmouth. The evidence was an extract of a report from J. Edgar Hoover to the head of Army Intelligence. The document mentioned 35 Fort Monmouth employees as security risks, most of them Jews of Russian origin who had been in contact with the atom-bomb spies, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Stevens instructed the commanding general at Fort Monmouth: "Cooperate! See to it that they interview anyone they wish to." During the investigation at Fort Monmouth, however, attention was diverted to nearby Camp Kilmer. This was the case of the Jewish Communist Irving Peress. Peress, an Army dentist who was proved to be not only a member but an organizer of Communist groups, had sworn a false oath upon receiving his officer's commission. Worse, when the matter was exposed Peress was promoted and later given an honorable discharge, thus escaping the jeopardy of a court-martial. The Peress case was a tremendous embarrassment to the Army, because it showed that security in the Army was a mere formality which was easily circumvented. McCarthy's confidential informant on the Peress case was General Ralph Zwicker. A hearing in New York City was arranged, and General Zwicker was called to testify as to the identity of the Pentagon official who had ordered Peress' honorable discharge. On the very morning of the hearing, however, Zwicker received an order from John Adams not to reveal the official's name. McCarthy did all he could to persuade Zwicker to talk in spite of the order, but he failed. Thereafter the press made a great fuss over McCarthy's rough treatment of Zwicker and the "insult to the uniform." It was alleged that McCarthy had without cause accused Zwicker of shielding subversives. Secretary Stevens decided not to allow General Zwicker or other Army officers to testify further. Says William Ewald, a Department of Defense official at the time: "A cheer went up: from anti-McCarthyites within the Administration itself, from editorial writers far and wide, >from liberals coast to coast." Especially noteworthy was a telephone call to Stevens from Marshall Plan administrator Paul Hoffman in California -- at whose residence Eisenhower was then vacationing. This congratulation was inferred to represent the attitude of that champion McCarthy-hater, President Ike. Eisenhower's friend Hoffman was married to Anna Rosenberg, who had been Truman's Jewish Assistant Secretary of Defense in 1950 and had been diligent in promoting liberal programs in the Army and the other armed services. She, more than anyone else, had forced full racial integration on the services. Unlike Ike, however, Secretary Stevens was not an implacable foe of McCarthy and anti-Communism. Although he thought Roy Cohn was awful, he said he saw McCarthy as a "reasonable" man. In a conference with the majority members of McCarthy's subcommittee, an agreement was reached and Stevens signed a document that stated this accord. The anti-McCarthy interpretation of this event has been that Secretary Stevens did not understand what he was doing. More likely, Stevens did not understand what Eisenhower was doing. Nor did the American people understand! Stevens said of the media's explosively hostile reaction to his reconciliation with McCarthy, "I think I have been absolutely crucified. . . ." Furthermore, he showed naivete by saying that he thought the press had "misunderstood" the agreement. Eisenhower decided to have Secretary Stevens "admit an administrative error" and renege on the agreement. A repudiation of Stevens' agreement with McCarthy was composed, and Stevens was made to read it publicly. Meanwhile, President Eisenhower's staff, without Stevens' knowledge, had instructed Stevens' subordinate John Adams to compile a written record of Cohn's and Schine's behavior. Adams, a holdover from the Truman administration, apparently was considered more politically reliable than the conservative Stevens. On March 8, 1954, when Secretary Stevens was asked about the record of improper pressure by Cohn and Schine (which John Adams had leaked to the press a few days earlier) he said, "I personally think that anything in that line would prove to be very much exaggerated. . . . I am the Secretary, and I have had some talks with the committee and the chairman . . . and by and large as far as the treatment of me is concerned, I have no personal complaints . . . ." On March 10, although Stevens had not even been aware of the Schine chronology two days earlier, he was pressured into approving a version heavily "revised" by Defense Department attorney Struve Hensel. It was called the "Stevens-Adams chronology," although Stevens had only just learned of it. Under pressure, the Secretary of the Army was now lending his name to a document that he had said would be "very much exaggerated." In late April 1954 the Army-McCarthy hearings began. The Army had accused McCarthy and Roy Cohn of using improper pressure, evidence of this being the so-called "Stevens-Adams chronology." McCarthy counter-charged that the Army was trying to discredit his committee and stop its investigation of the Army. During the hearings Stevens was the Army's "star witness." He "stonewalled" the subcommittee, giving vague, unresponsive, and often self-contradictory testimony. It became clear to McCarthy that Stevens was acting under orders from Eisenhower's staff. The Army's case, however, already had been blown sky-high, and McCarthy essentially vindicated, when Senator Everett Dirksen, a member of the McCarthy Subcommittee, testified that the Army's counsel John Adams and Eisenhower's administrative assistant Gerald Morgan had approached him on January 22, 1954, seeking to stifle part of McCarthy's investigation of the Army. Dirksen testified that Adams had mentioned the Army's file on Cohn and Schine, dropping a "hint" that these files might be very damaging if they were "issued and ventilated on the front pages" of newspapers. At this point, John Adams, not wishing to be the lone scapegoat for Eisenhower, and, furthermore, living under the possibility of a prosecution for perjury, revealed that he had been told to compile the chronology on Cohn and Schine by members of Eisenhower's staff in a secret meeting in the Attorney General's office the day before approaching Dirksen. The White House was now clearly implicated in a conspiracy to shield subversion in the government. On May 17 Eisenhower, in an obvious attempt to prevent his own role from being investigated further, issued what became known as the "iron curtain" order. Eisenhower claimed that it was a Constitutional principle that the President could forbid his subordinates from revealing any information to the Congress. On May 27, after several more days of vague, unresponsive, and sometimes conflicting testimony from Stevens, McCarthy responded in exasperation to Eisenhower's gag order: "The oath which every person in this government takes, to protect and defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that oath towers far above any presidential security directive." He urged federal employees to come forward with any information they might have about corruption and subversion in government. The next day Eisenhower had his press secretary convey to the media a statement that likened McCarthy to Hitler: a comparison that was not meant to flatter McCarthy. Edward R. Murrow and other media figures took their cue and began echoing that line. McCarthy, however, was expressing essentially the same idea which Theodore Roosevelt had expressed half a century earlier, when the latter said: "It is patriotic to support [the President] insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. . . . In any event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth -- whether about the President or anyone else." And of course, the truth was exactly what Ike feared. Was this not the Eisenhower who had carried out Operation Keelhaul after the Second World War, in which anti-Communist Russians, Hungarians, and others were forcibly repatriated to a certain death under Communism? Was this not the Eisenhower who deliberately starved to death over a million German prisoners of war? And was this not the same Eisenhower who later sent paratroopers into Little Rock to enforce racial integration with bayonets? Regardless of the legal result, biased media coverage made the Army-McCarthy hearings a propaganda victory for the pro-Communists. Army counsel Joseph Welch, through hyperbole and histrionics, managed to convince a large portion of the public that a few peripheral issues he raised during the hearings were serious embarrassments to McCarthy. For example, Welch insisted for the television cameras that part of an FBI report listing subversives at Fort Monmouth was "a carbon copy of precisely nothing" and "a perfect phoney," even though FBI Director Hoover said that he had written it. Similarly, Welch dramatically accused McCarthy of introducing a "doctored" photograph into evidence: it was a quite genuine photograph, which merely had been cropped and enlarged for the sake of clarity. The media played up Welch's accusations and ignored McCarthy's explanations. Welch was much more an actor than a lawyer: later, in 1959, he starred in a major Hollywood production, Anatomy of a Murder, alongside Jimmy Stewart and Lee Remick. In any event, during the Army-McCarthy hearings the Senate hearing room was his stage, and he played his role to the hilt. When McCarthy pointed out that a member of Welch's own law firm, Fred Fischer, had been a member of the National Lawyers' Guild, an organization cited as a Communist front by the Attorney General, Welch waxed maudlin and sobbed the famous line, "Have you no sense of decency at long last?" Later, outside the hearing room, Welch wept again for the benefit of the news photographers. As reported by the media, Welch was a man of great humanity who was shocked that McCarthy would be so ignoble as to attempt to ruin Fischer's career with his accusation, while McCarthy was a heel for even raising the matter. The fact that McCarthy's charge was perfectly accurate seemed to make no difference at all to the media. And so it was with other episodes in the hearings. One contemporary observer, Harold Varney, noted in the American Mercury: "Unfortunately, the anti-McCarthy press was not honest enough to admit publicly that the Senator had been vindicated. The smearers continued to parrot the smears, just as if the disproof were not before the country." The masters of the controlled media were determined to "get" McCarthy, and they did. They had not directed as much hatred on any public figure since Adolf Hitler. By September many of his supporters in the Congress, ever sensitive to the direction of the political wind, had thrown in the towel. McCarthy's Senate colleagues stripped him of his committee chair in November. On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted 67-22 to condemn him for "conduct contrary to Senatorial traditions." The condemnation permanently ended his effectiveness as a legislator. =========end article=============== This article appeared in issue number 114 of National Vanguard magazine. For further information, write National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA. www.natall.com. ====== Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 20 07:02:52 PST 1996 Article: 86995 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!snunews.snu.ac.kr!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: DIE NAZI SCUM!!! Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:09:32 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 84 Message-ID: <32b5d4f0.68907341@news.micron.net> References: <32A5E11A.1B6F@rand.nidlink.com> <58s4ig$bn0$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <58s5dp$gck@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <32b2e94d.5141419@news.gte.net> <5910kk$kf7@access4.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi031p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Dec 1996 09:06:12 -0500, mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <32b2e94d.5141419@news.gte.net>, >Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) under the name >Arleigh Burke wrote: >>On 13 Dec 1996 17:57:13 GMT, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c >>anderson) wrote: >> >>>Doc Tavish ("tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net) wrote: >>>: Simply put can the majority of the world's >>>: population throughout thousands of years of history been wrong >>> >>>Uh... yeah, Doc. Constantly, in almost every era and on almost every >>>issue, the vast majority of the world's population have been wrong. >>>Don't you read history? >> >>>: and only the Jews been right? >>> >>>No, they've usually been wrong, too. >> >> You appear to be agreeing that Jews have done things to earn the >>treatment they have received over the centuries. Honesty is the >>beginning of wisdom. > > I guess Matt Giwer must agree that he has done things to earn the >treatment he has received over the past year, which includes being booted >from combase.com, Netcom, gate.net, and att.net. But he certainly has no >wisdom. His documented record of lying (including his open confession of >it) may be found at > >http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html Let's look at this "Nizkor cite" closely: From: mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Mauving right along Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 03:03:11 GMT Message-ID: <4t1ff2$al0@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> >>> [Giwer] "It was recently observed that when the holohugger story >>> changes it is those on the other side who are accused of changing." >>[Grynspan] "Matt, you changed your story about Dahlman and his provider >>so many times that it must have worn out the phosphor on at least one screen. >[Giwer] "Because I have no intention of leading him to exactly what he did wrong >that caused it to be shut down. It is very simple and straightfoward. It is also very >easy to overlook. He continues to overlook the reason." To which Michael Stein replies: >"In other words, you openly admit you deliberately lied at least two out of the three >times. Now that we have your completely candid admission that you are a wilful liar, >the only question is how many other lies you have told, including about your scientific >knowledge. Stein's commentary does not follow necessarily. Giwer did not necessarily "lie" as his reply "because I have no intention..." could very well be (and probably is) Giwer's interpretation of Grynspan's comment as a misunderstanding on the latter's part, or an interpretation of Grynspan as having misunderstood the intention of Giwer not specifying at once "what [the person] did wrong." At any rate, Giwer is not "openly admitting" to having lied about anything. Then Stein draws the following sweeping conclusion: >"Obviously nothing at all you say can be trusted, since you have now ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >revealed your willingness to lie when it suits your purposes." In that thread Stein in a leap of grade-school logic seized a questionable discrepancy to try to discredit the entire sum -all- of Giwer's writing. Stein now posts a Nizkor URL that claims "Giwer lies openly." Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 20 15:40:27 PST 1996 Article: 87054 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!news.abs.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news1.best.com!news.thenet.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!206.229.87.25!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:09:25 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <32b5d3ac.68583547@news.micron.net> References: <32b2f62a.1025504@news.gte.net> <58vpob$cjo@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi031p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 15 Dec 1996 03:02:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> the criminal Giwer writes: >> On 14 Dec 1996 04:33:19 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> A a typical lying, boozing Jew coward AFRAID, shitting in his pants >> afraid to report the crime. > >> Come on, Jew coward, report the crime. > > This particular actionable tort has been reported to one of the parties >legally responsible: gte.com. > > --YFE Just like a coward shyster to tattle-tale to the ISP to try to get Giwer kicked off again and censor opposing views. No wonder Jews have the reputation as censors of free speech. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 20 22:01:18 PST 1996 Article: 87112 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!amberjack.netrunner.net!news2.agis.net!agis!newsgod1.agis.net!agis!news1.agis.net!agis!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ix.netcom.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Bagels Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:03:50 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <32b5105b.18574923@news.micron.net> References: <589jpd$9pr@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <58bq78$id@juliana.sprynet.com> <58reu2$6sm$2@gruvel.une.edu.au> <32b68e40.59853581@news.srv.ualberta.ca> <58ujha$q71@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi022p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 14 Dec 1996 08:10:18 -0800, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >In article <32b68e40.59853581@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, >John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) wrote: > >>>4 kilogrammes of New York bagels, >>>3 kilogrammes of smoked Atlantic salmon, >>>16 loaves of seeded rye, >>>4 kilogrammes of solet, >>>1 bottle of manischewitz white wine, >>>3 virgin Christians for ritual slaughter >>>2 tickets to Spielberg's latest film. > >>Cream cheese. You forgot the cream cheese again. The really soft kind. >>Not that "Philadelphia" crap. > >New York bagels? No way, Jose. Gryfe bagels, Toronto... don't try >slipping (schlepping?) in those Montreal hockey pucks, either. > >>And *3* kilos of smoked salmon?! I knew ZOG had money, but *3* kilos!? > >This is Canada, old son... we sell by the ton. What is this ridiculous "old son" affectation you've adopted Synagogue-boy. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 20 23:02:29 PST 1996 Article: 87121 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 03:13:42 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <32b76092.99822630@news.micron.net> References: <32b62990.42349811@news.gte.net> <595auq$s57@news.enter.net> <32b6c311.15627865@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi033p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 15:59:41 GMT, bull@halsey.mil (Halsey) wrote: >On 17 Dec 1996 05:26:50 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> bull@halsey.mil (Halsey) writes: >>> On 16 Dec 1996 23:45:09 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> >>> > No, just nailing the criminal Giwer on how he fabricates his >>> >arguments, changing his statements when they are exposed for the fraudulent >>> >lies that they are. >> >>> > Apparently you wish to join him. >> >>> Hey folks gather around, look at the intimidated ethnic. Hear it >>> sqeal. >> >> The one who is squealing here is you. You are squealing because you >>were caught in another lie. Now give your pet, "Stele" another dog biscuit. >> >> Say hello to those nice people at gte.net for me. > > Look how intimidated the ethnic is. > > "Look! I'm being intimidated! Come see the intimidation of the >ethnics!" > > For the rest see, Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Not suprisingly Jews are the guiding force behind hate-crime legislation (as well as gun control legislation). By criminalizing thoughs and speech, that way anyone who criticizes Jewish behavior or expresses doubt about the Great Jewish Hoax can be immediately silenced and/or incarcerated. Of course the criminal lying gutless Yalie-poo will try to invoke law to silence those he finds offensive. What a kike. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 21 11:18:56 PST 1996 Article: 87182 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: The Great Debate Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:31:07 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 75 Message-ID: <32bbbbdf.106006444@news.micron.net> References: <199612120033.QAA01666@mailmasher.com> <5972s1$p2f@lex.zippo.com> <59ad1g$a11@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> <59aubi$4n2@lex.zippo.com> <59cf44$sld@access5.digex.net> <59clb5$a6m@lex.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi022p16.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:87182 alt.censorship:112835 alt.politics.nationalism.white:39827 alt.politics.white-power:52780 On 19 Dec 1996 16:07:01 -0800, Ourobouros wrote: >In article <59cf44$sld@access5.digex.net>, mstein@access5.digex.net says... >> >>In article <59aubi$4n2@lex.zippo.com>, wrote: >>>In article <59ad1g$a11@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>, Laura says... >>>> >>>>Ourobouros wrote: >>>> >>>>[...] >>>> >>>>>As I said earlier, USENET doesn't offer Zundel true freedom of speech, >>>>>something I tried, but probably failed, to explain to Laura Finsten. Part >>>>>of freedom of speech is being able to have your research accepted into >>>>>mainstream, not in the looney bin, as the media always reinforces[...] >>>> >>>>So if something is on TV it must be true? Like Chariots of the Gods? >>>>Research (in contrast to sensationalist pap) is accepted (or not) into >>>>the *scholarly* mainstream based on the quality of the scholarship upon >>>>which it is based, something you seem unable to grasp. >>>> >>>Interesting deduction. I said popular and accepted, not popular or >>>accepted. >>> >>>Scholarship refuses to accept a true contrary position, and derides any >>>attempt for that contrary position to gain ascendence. In other words, >>>scholarship has become a religion. >>> >>>That is something you seem unable to grasp. >> >> What you seem to be unable to grasp is that you have now ruled out >>scholarship as a worthwhile forum (contradicting your previously stated >>reason for Zundel to avoid Usenet, by the way); ruled out Usenet; and >>apparently ruled out mass media because they reinforce the loony bin >>aspect. I find it hard to see what's left. >> >The entire system is corrupt and rigged. The only thing mass media could >offer is to bring to the attention of the population is holocaust >revisionism, and let them decide. > >> Another thing you seem unable to grasp is that you are quite wrong >>about freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does NOT entail any right to >>have your research _accepted_ into the mainstream. All it entails is the >>right to _try_ to _present_ your message to the mainstream. >> >One thing you seem unable to grasp is freedom of speech is part and parcel >with the freedom to be heard. Mr. Zundel is not permitted the freedom to >be heard. I dare say, yelling what you like in the middle of the bush has >always been available, and hence your definition of free speech is >worthless. > >> The mainstream also has freedom of speech, and part of that freedom is >>the freedom to say back to you, "We reject your message" - or even the >>freedom to ignore you. > >To an extent, but mainstream refuses to even hear it in the first place. Mike Stein is a real beauty. He thinks "freedom of speech" should be nothing more than the freedom of Jewish media bosses to censor what they wish from the airwaves. The Holocausters won't defend their theories over the airwaves or allow the public to make up their own minds. The Holocauster-industry consists of cowards, charlatans, and money-grubbers. The whole "Holocaust" Myth (tm) is simply a prop for Jewish influence and a carte blanche for Israel. And as if censoring revisionism from the airwaves isn't bad enough they're even trying to shut down websites in their campaign of suppression. These guys are real winners. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 21 11:18:57 PST 1996 Article: 87271 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore embraces his lies and libels in the same putrid breath .... Re: Questions rblackmore@juno.com (jbelling@sprynet.net) refuses to answer...Gandhi is an imbecile. Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:23:39 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <32b7391e.89720377@news.micron.net> References: <19961206103400.FAA18629@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p02.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 6 Dec 1996 10:34:41 GMT, tutu101@aol.com wrote: >Gandhi is an imbecile. Indeed. Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 21 11:18:58 PST 1996 Article: 87272 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Matt "Revisionists never insult" Giwer Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:24:15 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <32b739a5.89855961@news.micron.net> References: <32b1ef6f.711314581@news.micron.net> <58tb1g$po1@news.enter.net> <32b34551.20652349@news.gte.net> <5929m3$dvm$10@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <594chh$6o9@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p02.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Giwer's position is still true that most Holocausters (and an even higher percentage of the Nizkooks) generally use insult far more often than do most revisionists. On 16 Dec 1996 12:47:45 -0800, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay >Nizkor Canada | http://www.nizkor.org >-----------------------| Remember John Hron > |-------------------------------------- > http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/ >From the head maildrop/synagogue step-n-fetchit. Kurt Stele Who ever knew truth to be put to the worse in a free and open encounter -- Milton From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 21 11:18:58 PST 1996 Article: 87278 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:23:24 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <32b73698.89074259@news.micron.net> References: <593e5s$o8e@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p02.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 16 Dec 1996 12:09:32 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >Summing up, it is clear that Irma Grese did not deserve the death > penalty, as the prosecution failed to live up to the burden of proof >which would be required in any impartial court today. Clearly Miss >Grese was guilty of striking prisoners on occasion, but this was >usually for some offense or infraction of one sort or another,. As > usual, the professional witnesses and “survivors” failed to get their > stories straight and their testimony differed considerably from their > written affadavits. It was hardly necessary for an allied court to try > Miss Grese on charges of mistreating prisoners in a detention camp, > which was legally instituted by the legitimate government of Germany. > Such offenses as beating prisoners could easily have been handled >by the German authorities themselves. However, it WAS necessary > that examples be made in 1945-46. Thus, Miss Grese was convicted > and sentenced to death. Neither her youth nor the truth saved her life > from being terminated by some stuffy old English Judge faithfully fulfilling > the orders and expectations of his own government. Under the guise > of legality, Irma Grese was lynched. Another example of shrill neurotic Jewish vixens hating the little fraulein for her prettiness. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 22 10:06:23 PST 1996 Article: 87547 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:16:47 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <32bbb87d.105140255@news.micron.net> References: <59b9dv$9tu@morgana.netcom.net.uk> <59d1sd$1c8@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi022p16.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 20 Dec 1996 03:41:01 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> amcl@netcomuk.co.uk (Angus M. McLellan) writes: >> In article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net> >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele/Brian Smith) "willettsed": >> >>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to >> >>>provoke Hitler into a war. > >> >>Uh, no. The UK was destroying German vessels with US hardware, but >> >>this was *after* the war began. > >> >Wrong. > >> Is another revisionist triumph in the offing ? The USA sinking German >> shipping pre-1939 ? Please, do tell us more. > Just more wind from an idiot who thinks Rueben James was a trumpet >player with some big band or other. > > --YFE Are you saying the U.S. Navy didn't sink German ships in 1939 Yalie-poo? What will it be, shyster: yes or no? Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 22 10:06:24 PST 1996 Article: 87548 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!eru.mt.luth.se!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:14:09 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 104 Message-ID: <32bbb47d.104115726@news.micron.net> References: <19961211054600.AAA13161@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32b103b2.11320646@news.alt.net> <32b212ff.8941781@news.micron.net> <58uafn$csn@news.nyu.edu> <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net> <59b9dv$9tu@morgana.netcom.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi022p16.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:40:52 GMT, amcl@netcomuk.co.uk (Angus M. McLellan) wrote: >In article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net> >kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele/Brian Smith) "willettsed": > > > >>On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:48:32 GMT, fresh@scscomm.com (Andrew Mathis) >>wrote: > >>>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: >>>>>Answer me this: who wanted war? >>>>> >>>>>Britain? France? They were willing to sell out Czechoslovakia for peace. >>> >>>>Britain and France declared war on Germany. >>> >>>After Germany invaded their ally Poland. > >>But letting Poland invade other lands was OK with the Allies, as well >>as the Soviet's invasion of Finland and Poland. Polish and Soviet >>aggression was "OK" with Allies but not German. The Allies' >>hypocritical and selective sympathies once again. > >Which "other lands" did Poland invade ? (I'll give you Lithuania and >the soon-to-be USSR after WWI, but that was nearly twenty years >before). > >Since Brian hasn't a clue about the agreements between Britain, France >and Poland, I should note that the British guarantee offered to Poland >in 1939 specifically covered only a putative German attack. While this >might have had something to do with Germanophobia in Britain, it's >likely to have had as much or more to do with :- >(a) British and French ongoing efforts to agree an alliance with the >USSR and >(b) the fact that Germany had, by the time the guarantee was issued, >invaded two of it's neighbours in the previous year or so (the USSR's >score at that point being zero invaded neighbours) >and >(c) last and least, the fact that the Germans invaded first. > >So much for hypocritical selectiveness (again). > >>>>>The USA? The USA didn't even *enter* the war until 1941! >>> >>>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to >>>>provoke Hitler into a war. >>> >>>Uh, no. The UK was destroying German vessels with US hardware, but >>>this was *after* the war began. > >>Wrong. > >Is another revisionist triumph in the offing ? The USA sinking German >shipping pre-1939 ? Please, do tell us more. Read: "All I know if what my politically-correct mommy professors taught me. Nothing more." >>>>>Who wanted war? The *NAZISCHWEIN* wanted war! The Nazischwein attacked >>>>>Poland, with no provocation whatsoever. >>> >>>>The Soviets attacked Finland and Poland invaded nearby territory as >>>>well. And there was no declaration of war against them but only >>>>against Germany. > >>>That's because the allies weren't fool enough to fight Russia in a >>>war. > >>Russia was highly vulnerable at that point as they could hardly defeat >>Finland at first. After the war the U.S. also refused to force the >>U.S.S.R give up Soviet-occupied territory, even though the Soviets >>were easily defeatable at that point as well. The U.S. had just >>fought to destroy "Nazi Agression" but let the U.S.S.R. keep several >>countries under its rule and to liquidate millions of people -- with >>the U.S.'s help of course. It is no wonder WWII was referred to as >>the Crusade to Save the Soviet. > >It's that Revisionazi time machine again.... The Winter War between >the USSR and Finland didn't begin until after Poland was conquered; >it's relevance to events occuring months beforehand is debatable. The >only fighting the USSR had recently been involved in when Hitler's >Armies invaded Poland was in Manchuria, where the Red Army had been >extremely successful against the Japanese Kwantung Army. Read: "I can't come up with a good reason for why the Allies made such a stink about German invasions while they let the Soviets invade, occupy, and permanently subjugate several countries while liquidating millions of anti-communists. In other words, I can't come up with a good reason for Allied hypocrisy and the unexplained bias against Germany. I certainly am not allowed to conclude the anti-German bias had anything at all to do with the same international clique which drew the U.S. into WWI in order to gain Palestine. All I know is that the Allies fought the Nasties and the Nasties are eeevil so therefore the Allies can't be bad." (finger up nose). Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 22 16:37:59 PST 1996 Article: 87667 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!freenet.unbc.edu!news.scn.org!news.abs.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.christnet,uk.misc,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kurt Stele/Brian Smith: Idiot or Doofus? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:34 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 61 Message-ID: <32bdb6ed.235832534@news.micron.net> References: <199612151726.MAA18003@nym.alias.net> <32c64021.16570378@199.0.216.204> <32b5d31c.68439318@news.micron.net> <32b735ab.88837289@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.christnet:136029 alt.religion.islam:36901 alt.revisionism:87667 On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:12:55 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <32b735ab.88837289@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: > > >> Yeah. I've heard this one before. The Palestinian's protests about >> the tunnel were much ado about "nothing" and the Palestinians always >> shoot first. >> >> Right. >> > >Let's ask that Jewish mother and her 12-year-old child about it, eh? > >Ooops. We can't ask them, can we? They were shot first. > >Sara That's right Sara. Palestinians -always- shoot first, revisionists are always anti-semites, Nazis always laugh like B-movie horror villians. The primitive, histrionic world of Jewish absolutes is very convenient in its simplicity. Maybe someday they'll revise the Old Testament to be in accord with such minor considerations as historical truth. >"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the >Christian religion." > George Washington, 1796 The government certainly was in no manner founded to permit Jews to use the government to enforce the dietary laws of the Jewish religion as is currently being done, a clear violation of Church and State. Jews, not Christians, are the most flagrant violators of Church and state today. What do you think about this quote from the _Maxims of George Washington_ , A. A. Appleton & Co. 1971: "They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." Today, Jews in various countries are guiding force behind legislation that criminalizes certain thoughts and ideas offensive to the Jewish interest. Jewish groups in the U.S. are also heavily involved in pushing through legislation to increase the police power of dissident-spying agencies. Finally, the Jewish establishment enforces a code of political correct censorship in the media though the overwhelmingly disproportionate Jewish presence in media ownership, media staffing, and the Jewish power of economic boycott. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 22 17:10:18 PST 1996 Article: 87694 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!freenet.unbc.edu!news.scn.org!news.abs.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!news.magmacom.com!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.rel.christian,alt.religion.islam Subject: Re: Nazi Atrocities? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:44 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <32bc7c41.155263594@news.micron.net> References: <594sos$s6k$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <597b3d$b9j@news.nyu.edu> <597ikg$430@lex.zippo.com> <59aecc$nnf$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <59aru4$3t2@lex.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:87694 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40140 alt.politics.white-power:53037 alt.religion.islam:36918 On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 13:36:08 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <59aru4$3t2@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros wrote: >> Starvation is hardly new -- sieges come to mind. > >Indeed. But the Nazis didn't lay siege to the POW and concentration camps >they built and manned- and the the prisoners they starved to death there. Prove starvation was done deliberately. >And, of course, they also murdered millions in them (i.e. the >extermination camps) via homicidal gassings. That, at least, _was_ >something horrifyingly new. Prove extermination by gassing, Von Smallstank. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 22 18:00:29 PST 1996 Article: 87708 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belling sees trap, dives in Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:48 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 73 Message-ID: <32bd167a.194751213@news.micron.net> References: <597llt$195k$7@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <59g5tj$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:13:12 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <59g5tj$30v@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> > gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: >> >> >> > >> > [end quote] >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Gord McFee >> > I'll write no line before its time >> > >> > >> >>>> >> Yawn. It's getting old, Gord. It really is.--rb > >Not nearly as old as that dead rodent up your butt, Mr. Belling..... Van Schmaltzstink continues to eructate his noxious prevarications throughout the forum. >For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant >Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit: > >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996 >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096 >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196 For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are foolish, as contrived as they are canned -- in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the service of a synagogue-front sham organization (Nizkor), tune in any day of the year to alt.revisionism and look under any post of "Mark Van Alstine." Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van Schmaltzstink's odious drivel). >Mark > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >right through every human heart--and all human hearts." > >-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six are Jews. Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Dec 23 07:53:40 PST 1996 Article: 87736 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: From the Same Folks Who Brought You "Homicidal Gas Chambers" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 23:46:00 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <32bdc822.240237873@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi052p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 At the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1946 it was found that "the policy pursued [by the German government] resulted in the killing of six million Jews of which four million were killed in extermination institutions." IMT blue series, Vol. I, pp. 252-253. Kurt Stele The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. (Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.) From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Dec 23 07:53:42 PST 1996 Article: 87797 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!amberjack.netrunner.net!news1.agis.net!agis!news.minn.net!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 03:13:37 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 67 Message-ID: <32b75fe1.99645695@news.micron.net> References: <5961lv$sof@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi033p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:15:41 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <5961lv$sof@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> Yes--these womwn were undoubtedly suffering from dysentery and had been >> brought to the sauna or disinfection and treatment building. > >Er, no. If Mr. Belling weren't such a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, he >would have the honesty to acknowledge that these "Moslem" women, according >to Kremer, were murdered with poison gas in one of the bunkers. (cf. >Czech, _KL Auschwitz_, p.215fn.) So writes infamous grave-digger and seasoned necrophiliac Marred Van Alstank, well-known for his favorite past-time of interring dead and already-rotting, already-discredited Holocaust canards for his own dark adulation and fetishitic pleasures. Mark's notorious modus operandi is to inter and abscond away with the corpse in the dead of night to his home (the basement of Nizkor Synagogue, B.C.), prop up its gory, liquified remains in a chair with a drip-tray underneath and a bib around its "neck", wine and dine the rotting cadaver with candles, still-frozen hot dogs, and Mad Dog 20/20, make goo-goo eyes at the creature's motionless, unidentifiable "face," and Mark then proceeds to "make love" to the cold, wet, maggot-ridden object of desire. Mark's motto is "the more decomposed and odiferous, the more exquisite." For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are foolish, as contrived as they are canned -- in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization tune in any day of the year to: Alt.revisionism and look under any post of "Mark Van Alstine." Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van Schmaltzstink's odious drivel). >Mark > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >right through every human heart--and all human hearts." > >-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six are Jews. Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Dec 23 07:53:43 PST 1996 Article: 87798 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!amberjack.netrunner.net!news1.agis.net!agis!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The trouble with Tooter Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 03:13:40 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <32b7608b.99815633@news.micron.net> References: <5956os$ou6$19@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi033p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Dec 1996 04:15:24 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message ><19961216131500.IAA09453@ladder01.news.aol.com><58db9h$s0k$10@news-s01.ca.us.i >bm.net> - tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101)16 Dec 1996 13:16:06 GMTgmcfee@ibm.net >(Gord McFee)8 Dec 1996 03:05:21 GMT writes: >:> >:>In message - dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel >:>Keren)Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:36:03 GMT writes: >:>:> >:>:>tutu101@aol.com writes: >:>:> >:>:># I find it curious that the more effective a person's post >:>:># is, the more they are insulted. >:>:> >:>:>You are a very nice person and we all love you. >:>:> >:>:> :-) >:> >:>Dammit Dr. Keren. You beat me! > >:>Golly! I never would have imagined that you and Keren were >:>into S & M. > >Yes, Tooter, we are. S for stupid people and M for morons, both of which >describe your contributions to this newsgroup, regardless which alias you are >using. What a devastatingly clever reply. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Dec 23 07:53:44 PST 1996 Article: 87799 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!amberjack.netrunner.net!news1.agis.net!agis!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 03:13:38 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 136 Message-ID: <32b76030.99723921@news.micron.net> References: <5963ch$sof@juliana.sprynet.com> <596i23$qcf@access5.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi033p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Dec 1996 11:34:11 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <5963ch$sof@juliana.sprynet.com>, wrote: >> mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes: >> In article <593e5s$o8e@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >[snip] > >> In the case of Irma Grese, one should simply reflect on the fact that >> it is not easy to manage 20-30,000 inmates. Auschwitz was a detention >> center, where criminals were freely interspersed among those simply being >> held in “protective custody”. >> >> Mr. Belling is being quite disingenuous here in calling Auschwitz a >> "detention center." Auschwitz I and III (Monowitz) were slave labor camps. >> Auschwitz-II Birkenau was unquestionably an extermination camp. The >> prisoners held there in "protective custody" were either slated for >> extermination from being worked to death; through privation, starvation, >> and disease; and/or in the gas chambers at Birkenau. >> >>Mark Van Alstine Propagandizing Again.-rb > > Mr. Bellinger making empty assertions again. > > You know, if Auschwitz was meant to hold people in "protective >custody," the Nazis certainly did a piss-poor job. Given the death rate, >the people being "protected" would have been safer in Berlin during the >final days of the Third Reich. Given the assertion the intent purportedly was "extermination" the Germans certainly did a piss-poor job. >>Don't you realize how ridiculous you sound by posting this nonsense?--rb > > Gee, you don't realize how ridiculous you sound posting your juvenile >one-liners and evidence-free assertions about events you did not witness >and the thoughts of people you never met. Certainly no less "evidence-free" than the assertion the Auschwitz death-books listing 70,000 or so Jews dead at Auschwitz for all causes is not by and large comprehensive. >>> "The design of the wash barracks and the privies was, in fact, lethal.... >>> Architects and bureucrats are to blame: the design was inadequate, and not >>> enough material and financial resources were allocated for the camp's >>> construction. Whether the architects designed to degrade the prisoner's or >>> not, the result was the same: with the latrines submerged in excrement, >>> with very little water to be had at very few points, and with mud ev >>> erywhere, what remained was an inmate population without the means to >>> preserve any outward sign of human dignity. As Des Pres asked, 'How much >>> self-esteem can one maintain, how readily can one respond to the needs of >>> another, if both stink, if both are caked with mud and feces?' >> > >>Er---this hardly answers the question. > > What question is it that you think Mr. Van Alstine has failed to >answer? Whether or not Irma Grese was responsible for the accusations against her charged at the Nuremberg Kangaroo Court. >>And indeed what I wrote was the truth. > > BECAUSE! I! SAY! SO! Stein would rather believe it if the Nuremberger Kangaroo Court said so, or if any eyewitness said so. Presumably Mike Stein still also believes electrocution, steaming, and tilting floors were used. > Were you there? Why should anyone believe you? Pot-kettle-black. >>The same foulness repeated itself at belsen, where the new inmates turned the >>camp into a veritable pigsty.--rb > > Let me lock you in a room with no toilet facilities. I guarantee you >that sooner or later, you will wet and soil yourself. Then by your rules >I can blame you for urinating and defecating "whenever the urge struck >you." What total idiocy. Assuming eyewitness testimony is true -- always a hazard when it comes to former captives testifying against former captors, especially if Eastern European. >>Kremer was referring to people who were ill from typhus and dysentery. they >>were covered with excrement due to their illnesses. That is why he uses the >>term "Anus Mundi". > > Because! I! Say! So! > Gee, did you talk to Kremer and get that explanation from him >personally? If not, when did you acquire the ability to read the minds of >dead people? When did you gain the ability to verify the eyewitness testimony of a pool of witnesses which created such wonderful canards as electrocution and steaming? Rather when did you obtain your credulity? >>The sewage for Auschwitz was always inadequately built, >>thus "backing up" and creating a foul stench throughout the camp, which many >>prisoners imagined was the stench of burning bodies.--rb > > Because! I! Say! So! > Were you there, that you know what smell they smelled and what really >generated it? Do you claim the ability to read the minds of dead people? Do you claim the ability to view what actually happened? >Why should anyone believe you? Pot-kettle-black. > And all you can do is assert without evidence, and then claim that you >have won the argument. He brings evidence to the table from people who >were there. You simply assert on your own nonexistent authority what >people were thinking and why, with ZERO evidence. Anyone familiar with >high school debate knows you would lose _automatically_. And all you can do is defend more worthless trash considered "testimony: (sic) at the Nuremberg court of victor's vanquish. There is nothing more to your claim. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Dec 23 07:53:45 PST 1996 Article: 87800 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!ocean.netrover.com!amberjack.netrunner.net!news1.agis.net!agis!news.minn.net!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Great Debate Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 03:13:33 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <32b75fae.99593955@news.micron.net> References: <199612120033.QAA01666@mailmasher.com> <591k14$3o8@lex.zippo.com> <5951tn$2oj@access5.digex.net> <595bc6$iru@lex.zippo.com> <596u3f$7gp@access5.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi033p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 17 Dec 1996 14:59:43 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: > Don't blame me, blame Ingrid. She makes both points. I just pointed >out how bizarre it is to claim simultaneously that > > a) Zundel is so open and committed to the truth that he is > willing to brave firebombs, and > > b) Zundel will not debate in a forum where someone might use > naughty language. It is the public at large Zundel wishes to reach, not the relative few reading alt.revisionism. What Zundel wants is a free, public, and open debate about the Holocaust on TV and radio -- something the cowardly Jewish lobby won't permit because they don't want the counter-evidence to the hoax to be discovered by the public. They're (correctly) afraid the public will disbelieve the "holocaust" upon hearing both sides. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Tue Dec 24 08:25:02 PST 1996 Article: 87935 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!zenox.com!news2.insinc.net!news.insinc.net!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: The Great Debate Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:23:36 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <32b73890.89579073@news.micron.net> References: <199612120033.QAA01666@mailmasher.com> <58t4s6$2qm@lex.zippo.com> <58vour$1a9e$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <591k14$3o8@lex.zippo.com> <5951tn$2oj@access5.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p02.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:87935 alt.censorship:112975 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40287 alt.politics.white-power:53168 On 16 Dec 1996 21:52:39 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <591k14$3o8@lex.zippo.com>, wrote: >>In article <58vour$1a9e$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net says... >>No. While you can try and claim that here we have freedom of speech, there >>is no intellectual outcome of it. The conclusions wrought here are >>meaningless on accepted scholarship. USENET does not offer this extremely >>important aspect. You (pl.) only want Zundel to debate here to pump your >>own egos. > > So tell me how what Zundel says on TV or radio (which appears to be >where he wants to debate) is any less "meaningless on accepted >scholarship" (whatever that clumsy phrase means)? Indeed, because the >nature of the medium with its time constraints means it cannot be >subjected to the same careful critical review as the written word, TV and >radio offer even _less_ of what you claim is the important aspect than >what is written here. It would appear that Zundel only wants to debate as >a way of gaining publicity, and will only do it in a forum where there is >not enough time to refute any errors or outright lies he might tell. > > Your attempt to defend Zundel's avoidance of this forum doesn't get >off the ground with a Saturn V booster to help it. Even Ingrid Rimland's >poor excuse (that the man who makes much of the fact that he is willing to >endure firebomb attacks for his beliefs can't tolerate some namecalling) >was more believable. Usenet is nothing compared with the reach of the mass media. The media will not allow revisionism to be heard over the airwaves because they are cowards and they know the hoax and holocaust industry and special status would immediately wither. Neither is revisionism permitted at large in academe for the same reason: jewish power and intimidation. Ernst will debate "where it counts" in the mass media and in full public -- not behind a computer with a relatively small audience -- but the cowardly Holocaust lobby won't permit such a debate to take place. The media won't permit the public to make up its own mind regarding whether the Holocaust ever happened. It is a classic cover-up. Do you think all the Jewish money and power in the world can keep the counter-evidence against the "holocaust" out of the hands of the public forever? (snarf) Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Tue Dec 24 08:25:03 PST 1996 Article: 88063 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in2.uu.net!205.252.116.190!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:53 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 97 Message-ID: <32bd16a5.194793828@news.micron.net> References: <59b9dv$9tu@morgana.netcom.net.uk> <59d1sd$1c8@news.enter.net> <32bbb87d.105140255@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 14:04:28 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <32bbb87d.105140255@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: > >> On 20 Dec 1996 03:41:01 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> >> >> amcl@netcomuk.co.uk (Angus M. McLellan) writes: >> >> In article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net> >> >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele/Brian Smith) "willettsed": >> >> >>>The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to >> >> >>>provoke Hitler into a war. >> > >> >> >>Uh, no. The UK was destroying German vessels with US hardware, but >> >> >>this was *after* the war began. >> > >> >> >Wrong. >> > >> >> Is another revisionist triumph in the offing ? The USA sinking German >> >> shipping pre-1939 ? Please, do tell us more. >> > Just more wind from an idiot who thinks Rueben James was a trumpet >> >player with some big band or other. >> > >> > --YFE >> >> Are you saying the U.S. Navy didn't sink German ships in 1939 >> Yalie-poo? What will it be, shyster: yes or no? > >No. > >Now, would Mr. Smith care to wager a small sum, say $100, in regard to his >claim that "the US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before >1939 to provoke Hitler into a war?" The U.S. was sinking German ships before December 11, 1942, per Roosevelt's orders. >I say that Mr. Smith, as usual, is dribbling shit down his chin and cannot >cite _one_ authoritative source to support his claim that the U.S. was >sinking ships under the flag of Nazi Germany _prior_ to 1939. Will Mr. >Smith rise to this challenge? Hmmm? I said -in- 1939, billious toad. >Or will our brave Nazi, knowing he lied, tuck his tail and run away once more? You Nizkook strumpet with smeared lipstick on your face. >What will it be, lying scumbag Nazi apologist: yes or no? > >For those interested in proof of National Alliance member Brian Smith's >(aka "Kurt Stele") rabid anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, and >that he possses an IQ of a fence post (not to mention a sewer mouth) >please visit: > >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/stele.kurt >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/smith.brian.r So writes "Good the last drop" sewage-guzzling Van Schmalzstink again, a rather droll creature known for the fetishistic drive to defend each and every tale in the vast absurd lexicon of Holocaust mythology no matter how contradictory, thoroughly discredited, or patently ridiculous. Van Alstine's motto is: "the more absurd, unsubstantiated, and contradictory the tale is, the better. That way I can get 'creative' and use my 'wits' (sic) to inter some of these decomposing old canards, thereby racking up brownie with my Nizkook masters at the old Synagogue back in B.C.." >Mark > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >right through every human heart--and all human hearts." > >-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six are Jews. Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Tue Dec 24 08:25:04 PST 1996 Article: 88064 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in2.uu.net!205.252.116.190!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi's "handle" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:56 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <32bd16e7.194860030@news.micron.net> References: <59gcth$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 21 Dec 1996 10:07:45 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes: > > > > How about you answer this one, Mr. Belling: how does it come to be that, > just a few short months after showing up here posing as an objective > truth-seeker, you were spotted exchanging antisemitic nursery rhymes with > Harold Covington of the National Socialist White People's Party? How > difficult was it to fake indignation at being called "Nazi-boy," knowing > all along that you were indeed a Nazi, in the literal sense of the term? > And lastly: do you have any shame at all? > >Did I exchange rhymes? where are the others? Am I a member of the NSWPP or >any other right wing organization? No. Don't you have any shame for all your lies, >gross distortions, and slanders? Of course you don't. is that how your mother raised >you to be?--rb > > > > >> >> And Mr. Belling's "niece" was trying to pick-up teenage boys over the >> Internet too. > >You're just a filthy minded pig, Mark. Do you even HAVE a girl friend or a wife? >How could they tolerate the hateful likes of you? >> >> Uh-huh. And pigs have wings. > >What was it that turned you against the world and placed a chip on your >shoulder mark? You ought to seek pyschological couseling, and I am >serious about this. You are a sick man.--rb >> > >For those interested in Marks steady decline into the depths of insanity, >read his hate-filled posts. And to think that Mark Van Alstine is supposed to one of Nizkor's "heavy-hitters." Geez. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Tue Dec 24 08:25:05 PST 1996 Article: 88065 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Truehe Runs Into Technical Difficulties Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:51 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 78 Message-ID: <32bd169c.194784681@news.micron.net> References: <598o78$ike$3@gruvel.une.edu.au> <59gl7i$dd9@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:33:37 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <59gl7i$dd9@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> > ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes: >> > : >> > : I find it equally interesting that people would be "rushing to the >> > : rear." Would that be to get away from the exhaust inlet? Does that >> > : mean that there was from the exhaust pipe at the rear of the truck all >> > : the way back up to the front of the truck? >> > : >> > >> > I would expect that those seeking to escape would >> > move towards the only exit --- the door --- and try >> > to force it open, irrespective of where the gas was >> > introduced. The door was at the rear of the vans. >> > >> > But someone with an IQ of 163 would certainly have >> > found a better solution. >> > >> > d.A. >> > >> >>>> >> Someone with an IQ of 90 would have thought up a better lie.--rb > >Why? You never do. Van Alstine himself being a simp of vast credulity. >For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant >Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit: > >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996 >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096 >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196 For those interested in the impotent and specious scribblings of Holocaust shaman and seasoned fecal sculptor Mark Van Alstine, as furious as they are foolish, as contrived as they are canned, in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal presented for the service of a synagogue-front organization, tune in any day of the year to alt.revisionism and look under any post of "Mark Van Alstine." Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van Schmaltzstink's odious drivel). >Mark > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >right through every human heart--and all human hearts." > >-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six are Jews. Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Tue Dec 24 08:25:05 PST 1996 Article: 88066 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.71.0.48!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.test Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Puts His Foot in it Again Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:32 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 65 Message-ID: <32bc7cde.155420478@news.micron.net> References: <32b736a7.89089339@news.micron.net> <597pad$fh3@news.enter.net> <32b97000.8075512@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:88066 alt.test:184988 On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:40:52 GMT, octagon@septa.gon (Up front) wrote: >On 18 Dec 1996 03:44:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: >>> On 16 Dec 1996 23:14:18 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> > > > >> >>> Giwer has broken no law except in Yale's cowardly gutless mind. >>> However, according to Yale, one's opinion is all that is needed to >>> judge criminality. >> >> The statutes were posted. The criminal Giwer clearly violated them. >> >> >>> I think Yale is a criminal as well: guilty of sending harrassing >>> e-mail to Giwer to begin with. Yale evidently is a criminal in >>> addition to being a well-established liar. >> >> I sent no harassing e-mail to the criminal Giwer. >> >> For those unfamiliar with his criminal acts: After eceiving several of >>his obnoxious screeds as e-mail; an event as appealing as finding half of a >>cockroach in the stew, I sent the criminal Giwer, in one case at the direction of >>his ISP, an order than he cease sending me e-mail. His first response was that >>his e-mail was being forged by Grynspan. When my request was repeated the >>criminal Giwer's response was: "I'm tired of your shit. Fuck off." To confirm >>that the meaning was that he intended to continue his criminal harassment >>whenever the spirit moved him, the criminal Giwer then sent more of his fould >>spew which included the anti-Semitic ditty he used as sig line. Looks like the deluded self-soiled shyster is still imagining his naked opinions mean anything more than sidewalk detritus. No court has ever adjudicated criminality. Innocent until proven guilty Yalie-poo. >> I repeat. The criminal Giwer is a criminal. > > The boozing, lying kike shyster misrepresents events one more time. >But then, what else is expected from an intimidated ethnic. They lose >all control when intimidated. Interesting in the nations Jews have pushed through "thoughtcrime" legislation there are no protests from Jewish interest groups. Jews are known to be capable of protesting. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Tue Dec 24 08:25:06 PST 1996 Article: 88068 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!uunet!in2.uu.net!205.252.116.190!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Nazi asks about the Talmud (Sara?) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:57 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <32bd1853.195224275@news.micron.net> References: <32BB17B5.3C8@phoenix.net> <59gnac$dd9@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 21 Dec 1996 13:05:16 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> Doc Tavish writes: >> Michael P. Stein wrote: > > >> >> > Until the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt, that's not a law we need to >> > worry about. >> > >> > Posted/emailed. >> > -- >> > Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth. >> > POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official >> > Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer. >> >>>>> >If, as you say, Judaism does not discriminate in its acceptance of converts, >is there a difference in policy between America and Israel? i ask this because >I read in the publication "Jewish Currents" that all converts entering Israel are >required to have their passports stamped with the equivalent of a large "C" >for convert. > >Also, what of this incident, again reported in the Jewish Currents, of a woman >from eastern europe who emigrated to Israel, died there and was buried in a >Jewish cemetary. When the rabbis learned that the woman's mother was not >Jewish (The father was), they invaded the cemetary, dug up the dead woman's >coffin, and threw it into the street, much to the horror of the poor woman's >daughter. Does this sound tolerant to you?--rb The line given to the goyim is that Jews are not an ethnic group but only a a poor, benevolent, and persecuted religion. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:16 PST 1996 Article: 88149 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!pith.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.rel.christian,alt.polics.white.nationalism,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: Judaism is not Religion of U.S. government either! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:36 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 61 Message-ID: <32bc7bd8.155159240@news.micron.net> References: <594tto$sc5$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <32bb5f4f.3770043@news.demon.co.uk> <59ci66$2s0$2@uhura.phoenix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:88149 alt.politics.white-power:53243 On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:08:01 -0600, Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> wrote: >Fergus McClelland wrote: >> >> Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> wrote: >> >> >How many times do we have to see such anti-Christ drivel as this? If >> >someone is critical of Jews then they are automatically branded as >> >anti-Semites so- going by the same fair ground rules reciprocated we can >> >only assume the following is anti-Christ drivel. >> > >> >"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on >> >the >> >Christian religion." >> > George Washington, 1796 >> > >> >Let me elaborate: >> > >> >"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on >> >the >> >Jewish religion of Judaism however it was founded by people of the >> >Christian religion and the oath of office is not taken with a hand on a >> >Talmud volume." >> > Doc Tavish, 1996 >> > >> >> Doc, I have posted on this very quote before. It is NOT correctly >> attributed to George Washington. It is, in fact, from a book called >> "Treaty With Tripoli" published in 1796 and the author is unknown. >> >> Incidentally, the regular user of the incorrectly attributed quote >> above, previously used another incorrect attribution to her old sig. >> file. >> She quoted Samuel Butler as having said: >> "I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." >> Now this seems very plausible, until you discover the fact that Samuel >> Butler quoted it in one of his books, "Notebooks, Truth and >> Convenience. Falsehood IV." In other words, he was quoting someone >> unnamed, he did NOT say it himself. Such is the way of "Monica the >> Monitor", alias Sara Schwartz. >> >> Fergus McClelland >> >> > >Thank you most kind sir for your observations- Ibow in your direction in >honor and humility in the British tradition of chivlary. Kudos to >Fergus. > >Doc Tavish I guess Sara Schwartz may have to revise her signature or find a new one. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44) . From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:17 PST 1996 Article: 88150 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: CENSORSHIP - SIMON SAYS AGAIN Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:41 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <32bc7c17.155221665@news.micron.net> References: <32c59d66.1920562@199.0.216.204> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:17:28 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > [repost] > > New York Times > Jan. 10, 1996 > > "Jewish Rights Group Urges Ban > Of All Hate Messages on Internet" > > "Citing '"the rapidly expanding presence of organized hate groups >on the Internet,"' a leading Jewish human rights group yesterday began >sending letters to hundreds of Internet access providers and >universities asking them to refuse to carry messages that '"promote >racism, anti-Semitism, mayhem and violence"'. > The letter from the Simon Weisenthal Center, a 425,000-member >organization ... is the latest in a growing effort by legislators and >private interest groups to censor offensive material ... which now >connects millions of computer users worldwide. > '"Internet providers have a First Amendment right and a moral >obligation not to provide these groups a platform for their >destructive propaganda,"' Rabbi Abraham Cooper, .... wrote in the >letter ... The Jewish penchant for censorship and authoritarian repression knows no bounds. Not content with censoring revisionism from the airwaves to conceal inconvenient facts from the public they wish to censor the internet as well. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:17 PST 1996 Article: 88151 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The twelve year grace period Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:58 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32bd18af.195316351@news.micron.net> References: <32be9d10.1834440@199.0.216.204> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:16:02 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: > > The Twelve Year Grace Period > ============================== > In with the new books, away with the old. > > Random House Dictionary, > "grace" - "6. favor shown in granting a delay or temporary immunity". > >======================================================================== > > A pathetically corrupt state of affairs. This post is an oldie but a goodie. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:18 PST 1996 Article: 88152 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: CHARGES Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:45 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <32bc7c4e.155276963@news.micron.net> References: <32c39d59.1906886@199.0.216.204> <59ggmp$sfi@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 21 Dec 1996 11:12:25 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes: > >> What should one make of it if someone makes charges of >> anti-Semitism, neo-Nazism and/or racism and can't or refuses to follow >> up with an argument for proof? > > But l'il tommy knows that this is not the case. I am very willing to prove >the charge of anti-Semitism before an impartial tribunal. To this offer l'il tommy has, >when he has not lied about, refused to respond. l'il tommy, who frequently wraps >himself in the American flag when he parades his bigotry, apparently does not believe >in that most basic of American values, the fair trial. > > When l'il tommy reads this statement he will, as usual, run for cover. > > Where could l'il tommy be hiding this time? > > Could it be behind the drapes in the dining room? > > --YFE Rather Moran has little inclination or need to defend against your promiscuous, Pavlovian, and predictable "revisionism=anti-Semitism" charges Yalie-poo. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:19 PST 1996 Article: 88153 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kurt's trying to pull a Giwer!!! Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:42 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 51 Message-ID: <32bc7c1e.155228615@news.micron.net> References: <32b62990.42349811@news.gte.net> <595auq$s57@news.enter.net> <32b6c311.15627865@news.gte.net> <32b76092.99822630@news.micron.net> <59c1ll$1kg@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Dec 1996 18:31:17 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > By "pulling a Giwer" I mean repeatedly hoisting oneself by one's own >petard, a feat taken to new heights (depths?) by Matt Giwer. > >kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: >>On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and >>with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that >>the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." > > According to a Motion in Limine filed by them they were - in fact >their membership was an important factor in the crime. > > You could also check with the "Court of Common Pleas of Lehigh County" >and the nearby Clerk of Courts(Criminal). > > It's all public record. > >>For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, >>please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg >>is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. > > It would be interesting to contact W.Worth and B.J. Collins, the >_defence_ lawyers to hear what they had to say. (I alas, have no contacts >for these lawyers.) Call up the phone number to Mr. Steinberg. Robert Steinberg, the prosecutor of the case, fully investigated the Freeman Brothers' history, looking for organizational links to pursue. He found the Freemans were not members of the National Alliance nor members of any organization. Yale made those claims up entirely, along with detailed pleadings and several detailed claims besides. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:20 PST 1996 Article: 88154 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Khatyn? Katyn? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:46 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <32bc917f.160702625@news.micron.net> References: <851107279.546635@mn8> <32c1eded.2764391@news.inetport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:28:32 GMT, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote: >dan.berner@mailbox.swipnet.se (Dan Berner) wrote: > >>There seems to be some confusion about these places. As far as I have >>figured, >> >>in _Katyn_, the German army discovered a mass grave of 4 000-something >>Polish officers and men in 1943. These had been murdered by the Russians >>in 1940 or 1941. The Russians, after retaking Katyn, appointed an >>International tribunal or court which sentenced some German officers >>(seven, as I remember it - right or wrong?) to death. This verdict was >>not in any way contested by the Nuremberg Trials' verdict. >> > >Absolutely incorrect. The Russians tried to add this to the Nuremberg >indictment and managed to do so. They also tried to inflate the number >10-fold I believe. To the disappointment none of the allied judges or >prosecutors were moved enough to base any judgement on the Katyn >Massacre. The evidence against the Germans for the Holocaust and Katyn woods is categorically no different. That Soviet credibility per the Holocaust would not be at all tarnished by the earlier hoax is very interesting. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:20 PST 1996 Article: 88187 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:30 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <32c0387e.36443564@news.micron.net> References: <32bc7be4.155171147@news.micron.net> <59l2if$23h@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 23 Dec 1996 04:41:51 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: >> On 19 Dec 1996 02:00:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >> I see. So if a person's e-mail saying "Fuck off" offends you one >> should be able to prosecute them under criminal law. Like I said, >> what a kike. > > After being directed not send me further e-mail: absolutely. > > >> >The criminal Giwer decided to use criminal harassment as one of his >weapons. That >> >he is being brought to book for those acts is my privilege as a victim of those >> >crimes. > >> Giwer has never been "brought to book" because you are too much of a >> cowardly, whining, gutless shyster Yale to charge him. > > And your basis for saying this is? > > --YFE You're too much of a gutless twerp to file charges, lying shyster. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:21 PST 1996 Article: 88287 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.alfred.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Another Interesting Aspect Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 23:46:02 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <32bdc82f.240250453@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi052p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 The Judge's opinion at the Auschwitz Trial quotes from the "Guidelines for the Treatment of Prisoners" laid down by Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler, which were binding for all the concentration camps, the following pledge of honor which every SS member detached to Auschwitz had to sign: "Life and death of an enemy of the State is decided by the Fuhrer. Hence no National Socialist has a right to lay a hand on an enemy or physically abuse him. Any punishment of an inmate is administered only under orders from the Commandant." Opinion, p. 53. The Court quoted the above excerpt was quoted to establish "criminal intent", based on the theory that the German gassing program was carried out "against orders." Later on in the opinion, it is pointed out that corporal punishment of inmates required permission from the Inspector of Concentration Camps, SS-Gruppenfuhrer Richard Glucks, and could be carried out only in the presence of a physician, who had the right to examine the physical condition of the prisoner beforehand. The Court notes on page 52 of the opinion that is was an unspoken law that an SS man did not strike or shove an inmate, indeed, even so much as touch him. All this seems rather paradoxical for an "extermination camp." If the Germans were allegedly and programatically "exterminating" Jews than why was the SS ordered not to physically abuse inmates? Kurt Stele The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. (Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.) From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:22 PST 1996 Article: 88372 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!nntp.uio.no!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:21 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <32c037c9.36262481@news.micron.net> References: <32bca1bf.17599233@news.gte.net> <59kt9q$23h@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 23 Dec 1996 03:11:54 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> the criminal Giwer writes: >> On 21 Dec 1996 12:11:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >> > "The Talmud was alsosubjected to government and xhurch censorship, >> >and most present-day editions contain a number of changes and omissions >> >introduced by censorship. Indeed, almost every passage dealing with non-Jews >> >must be suspected of having undergone some change." (Steinstaltz "The >> >Talmud: a Reference Guide." Page 50) > >> Sounds like something a revisionist would say. > the difference of course is that Steinsaltz has considerable evidence >(including partial Talmuds from *before* the fiting was done and the papal decrees >that set the process in motion. Steinsaltz's comments are, therefore, conclusions >based on the evidence. This cannot be said of the "revisionists." You have yet to >produce a single bit of evidence for any of your flatulent fabrications and, rather >than being based on analysis of the evidence, they frequently are -- yours for >example -- silly speculations based on ignorance and bigotry. Toi cite one example >who can forget your ignorant misconception that head lice transmit typhus and th >world of fabrication you built on that crap. To cite another you started in this >newsgroup with the announcements that the Himmler speech at Posen was a >forgery becasue tape recorders had not been invented yet and that another >statement by Eichmann (?) was a fraud because it referred to the "United Nations." > > Steinsaltz would not make stupid mistakes liek that. There are Jewish professors disgusted at the perverted and hateful filth of the Talmud. Are you going to try to cover up that one too Yalie-poo? Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:23 PST 1996 Article: 88384 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belling sees trap, dives in Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:18 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <32c037a2.36223430@news.micron.net> References: <597llt$195k$7@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <59g5tj$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> <597llt$195k$7@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <59g5tj$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> <32bd167a.194751213@news.micron.net> <59nlsf$mc2$3@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 04:23:43 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <32bd167a.194751213@news.micron.net> - kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) writes: >:> >:>On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:13:12 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >:>Alstine) wrote: >:> >:>>In article <59g5tj$30v@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >:>>> Yawn. It's getting old, Gord. It really is.--rb >:>> >:>>Not nearly as old as that dead rodent up your butt, Mr. Belling..... >:> >:>Van Schmaltzstink continues to eructate his noxious prevarications >:>throughout the forum. > >Tell me Mr. Smith, how are the Freeman brothers making out at the National >Alliance meetings? Last post when I gave you the number to of Mr. Robert Steinberg, Allentown prosecutor of the case, as to the falsity of the claim (610-820-3100), I remarked it would be interesting to see whether you would continue to mouth the lie or responsibly seek out the facts. Predictably you did the former but what's one more lie Gord McFee? >Gord McFee I'll write no lie before its time ^^^ Sig. revised for accuracy. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:23 PST 1996 Article: 88385 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Of Course Blackmore Doesn't call folks names Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:27 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <32c0385d.36410569@news.micron.net> References: <32be22a5.115423624@news.gte.net> <59m5lt$d95@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 23 Dec 1996 14:41:01 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> the criminal Giwer vomits: >> On 23 Dec 1996 04:02:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >> >> >> tutu101@aol.com (Tutu101) writes: >> >> >> Could this classify as another insult? Is this how you respond to a >> >> >> person who indicates a willingness to discuss matters peacefully. >Ken >> >> >> Lewis words are highly provocative as well as insulting. From what I >have >> >> >> read these many months, this is a typical response from Holocaust >> >> >> believers. Your use of insults and name calling will not win you many >> >> >> converts. > >> > Well "tutu" now that you have been given a sample of the criminal >> >Giwer's ranting and raving, I repeat my question: have you told the criminal >> >Giwer? > >> Only communists repeat the holocaust claims the communists >created. >> That makes you not only a lying boozing kike but a murdering >> communist. What does a slime murderer like you do looking in a >> mirror? > > Well "tutu" you now have two examples of the criminal Giwer's >technique. > > Why ae you keeping silent? > > --YFE Giwer's not a criminal, Yalie-poo. Opinions don't determine criminality, courts do. But I thought you said you knew how courts work, shyster-man? Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:24 PST 1996 Article: 88386 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi's "handle" Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:28 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32c03868.36421350@news.micron.net> References: <59gcth$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> <59hfam$igj@explorer2.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 21 Dec 1996 14:55:02 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) wrote: >rblackmore@juno.com writes: > >>Did I exchange rhymes? where are the others? Am I a member of the NSWPP or >>any other right wing organization? No. Don't you have any shame for all your lies, >>gross distortions, and slanders? Of course you don't. is that how your mother raised >>you to be?--rb > >You're quite right, Joe. Van Alstine should be ashamed of himself. >All we have is evidence that *you* are an antisemite--we shouldn't >slander the leader of the National Socialist White People's Party. Then prove it. And don't say "because he's a revisionist!" in typical knee-jerk fashion. Kurt Stele "All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:25 PST 1996 Article: 88387 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:22 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 74 Message-ID: <32c037c3.36256425@news.micron.net> References: <59iqjh$bp8@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:24:01 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <59iqjh$bp8@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: > >> > mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes: >> > In article <59gbnk$30v@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> > >> > > > fresh@scscomm.com (Andrew Mathis) writes: >> > > >> > > snip >> > > > >> > > >>>> >> > > How many times in history was the talmud ordered confiscated and >> > > burned by authorities throughout the world and why would they do that? >> > >> > How many priests did the Nazi murder and why did they do _that?_ --MVA >> > >[Mr. Belling's "evidence" of Jewish ritual murder snipped.] > >Ah, Mr. Belling, I see you as you are unable to answer the question you >resort to anti-Semitic slander like your stretched-neck Nazi idol Julius >Streicher. Why is that, Mr. Belling? Could it be because not only are you >a lying scumbag Nazi apologist, but a despicable anti-Semite as well? >This seems all too likely given your anti-Semitic "corrospondance" with >the notorius Mr. Covington. Isn't there at least -one- Nizkook out there that doesn't lie and slander as a matter of course? It must a Jewish thing. >For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant >Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit: > >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996 >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096 >http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1196 Van Schmaltzstink continues to eructate his noxious prevarications throughout the forum. Not satisfied with providing his body for the satyric joys of his Nizkook masters in the Synagogue's inner sanctum (and his own) he seeks further expression of his debased urges through defending what is already a thoroughly discredited and poorly-fabricated hoax. >Mark > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >right through every human heart--and all human hearts." > >-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six are Jews. Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:26 PST 1996 Article: 88388 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:23 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 79 Message-ID: <32c03817.36340124@news.micron.net> References: <59b9dv$9tu@morgana.netcom.net.uk> <59d1sd$1c8@news.enter.net> <32bbb87d.105140255@news.micron.net> <32bd16a5.194793828@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 03:00:05 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <32bd16a5.194793828@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: > >[snip] > >> >I say that Mr. Smith, as usual, is dribbling shit down his chin and cannot >> >cite _one_ authoritative source to support his claim that the U.S. was >> >sinking ships under the flag of Nazi Germany _prior_ to 1939. Will Mr. >> >Smith rise to this challenge? Hmmm? >> >> I said -in- 1939, billious toad. > >No, you lying little Nazi shit, you did not say _in_ 1939. Mr. Smith, as >plain as day, you wrote in article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net> >kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele): > >"The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to >provoke Hitler into a war." Why do you now quote a different post entirely? >And you have repeated this same lie several times. Now, Mr. Smith, I take >it that your furious backpeddaling and lying about what you wrote is your >way of admitting that you _are_ indeed a cowardly little Nazi shit who is >running away from my challange to you? I quoted it from memory. So what? Either 1939 or pre-1939 it was still the U.S who attacked Germany first which was the point of discussion. The year-change doesn't change that one bit. You're a lame one Von Smallstein. >How typical. See above. >For those interested in proof of National Alliance member Brian Smith's >(aka "Kurt Stele") rabid anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, >puerile lies, and that he possses an IQ of a fence post (not to mention a >sewer mouth) please visit: > >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/stele.kurt >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/smith.brian.r > >"In Jerusalem there is a memorial site for the six million Jews murdered >by the Nazi's during World War 2. It is called Yad Vashem and was raised >1953. An avenue called "The Avenue of the Righteous" runs through this >site. The wind whispers continuously through the several hundred trees >planted there. Each and every tree has been planted to honor a non-Jewish >person risking his or her life to save Jews from the Nazi murderers." Classic Von Smallstein cornball. >Mark > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >right through every human heart--and all human hearts." > >-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six are Jews. Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:27 PST 1996 Article: 88389 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.rel.christian,alt.religion.islam Subject: Re: Nazi Atrocities? Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:31 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <32c03884.36449778@news.micron.net> References: <594sos$s6k$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <597vc4$iua@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <32b80d7f.5743836@news.sure.net> <59ibdh$dv8@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <32be25b4.14883741@news.sure.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:88389 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40460 alt.politics.white-power:53303 alt.religion.islam:37130 On Mon, 23 Dec 1996 06:31:08 GMT, Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote: >libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: > >*Ursus Major (Ursus@sure.net) wrote: >* >*: Also you'd have to let us know if you were a believer in a religion >*: which ENSHRINES divinely mandated GENOCIDE! Yep, it's right there in >*: every Torah ever rolled: Deuteronomy xx 15-17. Know of any other >*: religion, whose God MANDATED genocide? Past or present? None that I'm >*: aware of. >* >*Well, let's see--first, there would be the two other religions that >*accept Deuteronomy as scripture--Christianity and Islam. After that, >*you've got quite a few of your various Germanic pagan religions, who's >*God's demanded the sacrifice of prisoners of war. We could go down the >*list, and we'd probably end up with every religion except Buddhism >*and Taoism. >* >*But you knew that. >* >Prisoners of war are not 2 year old children, are they? >Deuteronomy xx 15-17 DEMANDS the EXTERMINATION of ALL THAT BREATHES: >GENOCIDE, ORDER BY "GOD"! (Christiany and Islam are merely Export >Models of Judaism: as you well know.) > >So, come up with a RELIGION WITH A SINGLE DIETY WHO ORDERS THE TOTAL >EXTERMINATION OF WHOLE POPULATIONS ... all: ALL THAT BREATHS! > >YOU CAN'T! IT'S A JEWISH EXCLUSIVE!!! That's why Jews are always projecting the genocide rap onto other peoples. You could say it's a Freudian slip. Kurt Stele The International Red Cross put the "Loss of victims of persecution because of politics, race or religion who died in prisons and concentration camps between 1939 and 1945" at 300,000. _Die Tat_ of Zurich Switzerland, January 19th, 1955. However, a total of 2,050,000 German civilians were killed in Allied air raids adn forced repatriation after the war. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:27 PST 1996 Article: 88390 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Fuhrer's Gaze (Thank You, ourhero!) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:29 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <32c0386f.36428395@news.micron.net> References: <59j2l1$hr6@juliana.sprynet.com> <59l2dp$23h@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 23 Dec 1996 04:39:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> rblackmore@juno.com writes: >> > yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes: >> > > rblackmore@juno.com writes: > >> > > You're barking up the wrong tree, Rover. As I said many times over, >> > > I am not anti-Semitic. > >> > "I am not a crook." Richard M. Nixon > >> > > Just by your implying it does not make it so. > >> > No but posting anti-Semitic drivel you have written makes a fairly >> > conclusive argument -- especially when you have refused to address the >issue. > >> Adress what issue, Yale? What is it you would like me to address to >> assauge your suspicions? > > Perhaps I missed it. Gord McFee has frequently posted anti-Semitic >comments and doggerel you sent to Harold Covington. To date the only >response I have seen from you has been flippant one-liners. > > --YFE Prove that rb "sent it" to Harold Covington as opposed to Harold taking it from usenet. You wouldn't be just -assuming- this to try to smear rb as "anti-semitic" (tm) would you? You would never do a thing like that, would you Yalie-poo. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:28 PST 1996 Article: 88391 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:24 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 88 Message-ID: <32c0383a.36375357@news.micron.net> References: <19961211054600.AAA13161@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32b103b2.11320646@news.alt.net> <32b212ff.8941781@news.micron.net> <32bf4390.57794556@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 03:04:57 GMT, 10@11.12 (John Bigboote) wrote: >On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:08:47 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >Alstine) wrote: > >>In article <32b212ff.8941781@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >>Stele) wrote: >> >>[snip] >> >>> The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to >>> provoke Hitler into a war. >> >>This, of course, is a provable lie. I have pointed this to Mr. Smith >>several times already and challenged him to substantiate his claim. Mr. >>Smith, being such a "brave" Nazi has instead chosen to tuck his tail and >>run each time. >> >>Will Mr. Smith refer to the historical record and cite a (credible) source >>that shows the United States Navy was "destroying German vessels on the >>high seas before 1939 to provoke Hitler into a war?" > > Let us clarify this. Does the issue hang upon the date or that FDR >was attempting to provoke a war with Germany? And if the latter, does >it hang upon the method of that provocation? > > Clearly there is no question that the US, under the orders of FDR, >was violating its neutrality by supporting England. That in and of >itself was a sufficient provocation of war with Germany. > > So it is a given that FDR was provoking war with Germany as he did >with Japan by interdicting oil shipments from Malaysia. > > That out of the way we are down to the year and a secondary means >of provocation in addition to the violation of neutrality. I can not >say that I remember the years but the US shipments to England that >were the primary war provocation were by armed merchant ships, in >violation of international law at the time. > > At the moment I can not give citations, I can only say that it was >an interesting documentary on The History Channel one night. It also >mentioned that prior to Germany finally being provoked into the >declaration of war that US Naval vessels provided escorts for merchant >ships. Have a little patience here and I will get around to proper >citations. You are correct. In July, U.S. Marines were stationed in Iceland, which had been occupied by the British in May 1940, and thereafter the U.S. Navy took over the task of escorting convoys in the waters west of Iceland. In September 1940 President Franklin D. Roosevelt then authorized ships on convoy duty to attack Axis war vessels. He had been conducted a covert naval war against the Germans since -at least- 1939. In March 1941 the U.S. Congress passed the Lend-Lease Act and appropriated an initial $7 billion to lend or lease weapons and other aid to any countries the president might designate, i.e. the Allies. > In the mean time you may remember that German submarines were >spotted off of the US coast and in international waters prior to the >declaration of war. You will also remember that those submarines were >in fact attacked when they attempted to, VERY LEGALLY, sink merchant >ships in support of their enemy. > > Now if you are down to the distinction between ships and boats I >will suggest you are being cute but not clever. > > Yes there was clearly US provocation of war with Germany by a >violation of neutrality. Yes the US did protect its merchant ships >that were engaged in violating that neutrality. And in protecting >them it did sink Germany submarines. > > At first the US only provided escort to Nova Scotia where the >British fleet took over. Later there were so many losses that the US >fleet continued with them to Britain. > > Am I losing you some place here or are you making your entire issue >on pre-1939 and are willing to concede 1939 through 1942? Indeed a red herring. Kurt Stele ===== If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised. -- Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 14:31:29 PST 1996 Article: 88432 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!solace!nntp.uio.no!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Which Only Begs the Question.. Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:10:23 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <32c04c6b.41544619@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi043p09.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 "The Holocaust was the murder of six million Jews, including two million children. Holocaust denial is a second murder of those same six million. First their lives were extinguished; then their deaths. A person who denies the Holocaust becomes part of the crime of the Holocaust itself." David Matas, Senior Counsel for the "League for Human Rights" of the Zionist B'nai B'rith organization, _Globe and Mail_ (Toronto), Jan. 22, 1992. ====== Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 20:49:03 PST 1996 Article: 40544 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: The Great Debate Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:42 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <32c0c809.73196375@news.micron.net> References: <199612120033.QAA01666@mailmasher.com> <59cf44$sld@access5.digex.net> <59clb5$a6m@lex.zippo.com> <32bbbbdf.106006444@news.micron.net> <59i2me$10q@access1.digex.net> <32bf61b5.19787170@news2.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:88640 alt.censorship:113089 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40544 alt.politics.white-power:53376 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:54:37 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote: >I disagree. We must silence the deniers otherwise they will try to >convince America's children of their positions which are simply lies >and propaganda. This country can only be truly free when "deniers" >are denied their voice. Their hatred must be stopped at all costs. > >Thanks, > >Mark Lemme guess. You're Jewish? Kurt Stele The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. (Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.) From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 20:49:05 PST 1996 Article: 40545 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.censorship,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: The Great Debate Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:43 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <32c0c822.73220841@news.micron.net> References: <199612120033.QAA01666@mailmasher.com> <59cf44$sld@access5.digex.net> <59clb5$a6m@lex.zippo.com> <32bbbbdf.106006444@news.micron.net> <59i2me$10q@access1.digex.net> <32bf61b5.19787170@news2.cais.com> <32c02bef.10086536@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:88641 alt.censorship:113090 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40545 alt.politics.white-power:53377 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 13:26:01, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: >In article <32c02bef.10086536@news.gte.net> 10@11.12 (Doc Benway) writes: >>From: 10@11.12 (Doc Benway) >>Subject: Re: The Great Debate >>Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 19:18:59 GMT > >>On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:54:37 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote: > >>>I disagree. We must silence the deniers otherwise they will try to >>>convince America's children of their positions which are simply lies >>>and propaganda. This country can only be truly free when "deniers" >>>are denied their voice. Their hatred must be stopped at all costs. > >> In the United States there is both a first and a second amendment >>to the Constitution. Don't even think about it. > >Ooo... are you threatening to shoot somebody again? > >Could you save me some effort and trouble and just fax your threats directly >to the FBI this time? > >Thanks much. Kike dirtbag. Kurt Stele The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. (Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.) From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 20:52:34 PST 1996 Article: 53375 of alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.nstn.ca!tor.istar!east.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.rel.christian,alt.polics.white.nationalism,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: Judaism is not Religion of U.S. government either! Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:47 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 84 Message-ID: <32c0c938.73498703@news.micron.net> References: <594tto$sc5$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <32bb5f4f.3770043@news.demon.co.uk> <59ci66$2s0$2@uhura.phoenix.net> <32bc7bd8.155159240@news.micron.net> <32bf6343.20185321@news2.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:88634 alt.politics.white-power:53375 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 05:00:14 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote: >On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:36 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) >wrote: > >>On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:08:01 -0600, Doc Tavish >><"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> wrote: >> >>>Fergus McClelland wrote: >>>> >>>> Doc Tavish <"tavish@phoenix.net"@phoenix.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >How many times do we have to see such anti-Christ drivel as this? If >>>> >someone is critical of Jews then they are automatically branded as >>>> >anti-Semites so- going by the same fair ground rules reciprocated we can >>>> >only assume the following is anti-Christ drivel. >>>> > >>>> >"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on >>>> >the >>>> >Christian religion." >>>> > George Washington, 1796 >>>> > >>>> >Let me elaborate: >>>> > >>>> >"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on >>>> >the >>>> >Jewish religion of Judaism however it was founded by people of the >>>> >Christian religion and the oath of office is not taken with a hand on a >>>> >Talmud volume." >>>> > Doc Tavish, 1996 >>>> > >>>> >>>> Doc, I have posted on this very quote before. It is NOT correctly >>>> attributed to George Washington. It is, in fact, from a book called >>>> "Treaty With Tripoli" published in 1796 and the author is unknown. >>>> >>>> Incidentally, the regular user of the incorrectly attributed quote >>>> above, previously used another incorrect attribution to her old sig. >>>> file. >>>> She quoted Samuel Butler as having said: >>>> "I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." >>>> Now this seems very plausible, until you discover the fact that Samuel >>>> Butler quoted it in one of his books, "Notebooks, Truth and >>>> Convenience. Falsehood IV." In other words, he was quoting someone >>>> unnamed, he did NOT say it himself. Such is the way of "Monica the >>>> Monitor", alias Sara Schwartz. >>>> >>>> Fergus McClelland >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Thank you most kind sir for your observations- Ibow in your direction in >>>honor and humility in the British tradition of chivlary. Kudos to >>>Fergus. >>> >>>Doc Tavish >> >>I guess Sara Schwartz may have to revise her signature or find a new >>one. >> >>Kurt Stele >> >>"Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: >>$5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October >>Issue, page 44) . >> > >It doesn't matter who said what. What matters is that you NAZIS get >silenced as you should be. You better censor Nazis. Nazis can do anything. Nazis can suspend the laws of science. The Nazis know where you live. You better watch out kikeboy or you'll wake turned into a lampshade sooner than you know it by the Nazis. Or maybe just your feet and hands. Yeah, just your feet and hands. Ever seen a grown man with appendages that terminate in lampshades? Watch your back kike-boy. Yes YOU, the one looking around. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:20 PST 1996 Article: 88635 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.nstn.ca!tor.istar!east.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:49 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 80 Message-ID: <32c0c95e.73537391@news.micron.net> References: <32bc7be4.155171147@news.micron.net> <59l2if$23h@news.enter.net> <32c0387e.36443564@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 25 Dec 1996 01:30:51 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote: >In article <32c0387e.36443564@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: > >[snip] > >> You're too much of a gutless twerp to file charges, lying shyster. > >Speaking of gutless twerps, Mr. Smith.... Are _you_ going to accept my >challenge to you in regard to your patently false claim that you made in >article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele): > >"The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to >provoke Hitler into a war." > >You have repeated this same lie several times. Now, Mr. Smith, I take it >that your furious backpeddaling and lying about what you wrote is your way >of admitting that you _are_ indeed a cowardly little Nazi shit who is >running away from my challange to you? (yawn). Oh Van Smallstein. It matters not if the Germans were being attacked in 1939, 1932, or 1940, it was still the U.S. that attacked first. You lose either way. You win on the error and lose the argument but you're too dense to realize that of course. >For those interested in proof of National Alliance member Brian Smith's >(aka "Kurt Stele") rabid anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, >puerile lies, and that he possses an IQ of a fence post (not to mention a >sewer mouth) please visit: > >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/stele.kurt >http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/smith.brian.r For those interested in a good laugh time and again, tune in to alt.revisionism and read Nizkook moppet Mark Van Alstine's furious and impotent scrawlings to preserve the crumbling facade of the Holocaust hoax, which include frantically defending even the most ridiculous and untenable of the Holocaust claims and testimonies, all in the absence of any physical evidence as usual. >"In Jerusalem there is a memorial site for the six million Jews murdered >by the Nazi's during World War 2. It is called Yad Vashem and was raised >1953. An avenue called "The Avenue of the Righteous" runs through this >site. The wind whispers continuously through the several hundred trees >planted there. Each and every tree has been planted to honor a non-Jewish >person risking his or her life to save Jews from the Nazi murderers." The cheesiest bit of maudlin falderal you've dredged up yet, Marred. >Mark > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes >not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but >right through every human heart--and all human hearts." > >-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago" >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part. Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975. On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts, Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book. All six are Jews. Kurt Stele From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:21 PST 1996 Article: 88636 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.nstn.ca!tor.istar!east.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?' Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:53 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <32c0c9f6.73688520@news.micron.net> References: <59pj3l$cjv@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 21:48:37 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes: >> rblackmore@juno.com writes: >> >> # Diseases--such as typhus, dysentery, etc. The inability >> # of the camp administration to provide enough sustenance >> # for the thousands of people transferred to this camp >> # during the last two minths of the war undoubtedly contributed >> # to their illness. >> >> This is tired old rubbish, Mr. Boger. The death rate in >> the "work camps" was about 10 percent per month - PER >> MONTH - as early as 1942. Moreover, even towards the >> end of the war, there was surely plenty of food for the >> SS-men and women and the civilians living near the camps. >> >> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images >> >> belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal >> corpses in Belsen. >> >> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images >> >> buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg: >> Emaciated corpses of the inmates. >> >> buchenwald04.jpg: >> German civilians living near the camp, after the American troops >> have taken them to Buchenwald to witness the horrors. Notice how >> well-dressed and well-fed they are. >> >> >> -Danny Keren. >> >> >>>>> >The German civilians had nothing to do with the running of the camp. >Why do you criticize them if they are nicly dressed? Are you envious? >Note that many SS members also died from the epiidemics. That is why the >staff was frightened of the inmates. The desperate and unscrupulous conjecture they draw from the photos reveals how very lacking they are for any real evidence supporting their favorite hoax. They're pathetic, just pathetic. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:21 PST 1996 Article: 88637 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.nstn.ca!tor.istar!east.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:56 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 65 Message-ID: <32c0ca5e.73792997@news.micron.net> References: <59m3o5$hhs@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <59pkgm$cjv@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 22:12:38 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon) writes: > > >> >>>>> >> The british found the water in the river to be potable >> and supplied the camp with it using the camp's own equipment. >> [that they first supplied the camp by any other means >> is not important, as they may not have known about the >> pumping equipment until some time after they initially >> arrived.] >> Nothing prevented the camp staff from doing the same >> thing many months before the camp was liberated by >> the british. > >Comment: The camp was not without water for months. >Perhaps Kramer and his staff simply were incompetent when >it came to engineering and so forth, and that is why he hurried >the process of turning the camp over to the British. he had a >catastrophe on his hands and he knew it.--rb > > Unless, of course, you can provide a single shred >> of evidence that the river water had to be _filtered_ >> before it was potable, and that the nazis did not >> have these filters you talk about. > >Comment: I do not believe proof is necessary here. We cannot >travel back in time. One could perhaps attempt to locate information >on the river which ran near the camp and then attempt to find out if >this water is indeed potable today without any need for filtering. I think >that the answer is a foregone conclusion, however.--rb > > Since Mr. Giwer did not produce any documentatin >> for his 'filtering' claims either, i suspect he made >> it up. >> >> So, what about these mythical filters, mr. Blackmore? > >I believ mr. Giwer was using good old common sense when he posted >his reply. I happen to agree with him. Read a few manuals on camping >and water filtering and purification. Perhaps you can find a few old or >recent army field manuals. they should provide you with all the info you >seek.--rb Perhaps the most ridiculous aspect of all of this is how the Germans did not at that point in time simply kill all Jews all at once. It is a foregone conclusion the alleged goal was extermination. The Soviets would exterminate prisoners just for the sake of convenience. Yet the Germans even for convenience did not wipe out these Jewish inmates. Game over, "holocaust". Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:22 PST 1996 Article: 88638 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.nstn.ca!tor.istar!east.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'Let them die, why should you care?' Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:55 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <32c0ca45.73767914@news.micron.net> References: <32be3581.120251421@news.gte.net> <59njtl$q1f@news.enter.net> <32bf7309.69947866@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 06:07:50 GMT, 10@11.12 (Doc Benway) wrote: >On 24 Dec 1996 03:50:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> the Criminal Giwer gives a sample of his lack of rational thought: >>> On 23 Dec 1996 05:10:11 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> >>> > I have the relevant pages of Clay's autobiography in front of me. (Page >>> >254) He makes no such statement complaining only: "Perhaps I erred in >>judgment >>> >[in commuting Koch's sentence] but no one can share the responsibility of a >>> >reviewing officer. Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized this >>> >action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record before >>me. >>> > I could only take action on that record." >> >>> > So much for "blackmore's' statement. >> >> To which the criminal Giwer decided to take time out from anonymusly >>harassing strangers: >> >>> Poor widdle intimidated ethnic speaks up when he hopes his mother >>> is protecting him. >> >> And then makes the laughable statement: >> >>> Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures. >> >> Perhaps the criminal Giwer will tell us what "facts" he relied upon for this. >> >> Perhaps he had better figure something out quickly. Juries don't like it >>when you lie, Matty poo. > > Po widdle intimidate etnic. Everybody say AHHHHHHHHH! The only criminal here is you lyin' Yalie-poo: complicity in the hoax of robbing the American public of millions of dollars for a criminal fraud, the Holocaust. At the very least you are aiding and abetting. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:23 PST 1996 Article: 88639 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Clearing the air about Posen Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:38 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <32c0c7b7.73113981@news.micron.net> References: <59mic3$t85@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <59pk2o$cjv@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 22:05:12 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes: >> rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> >> : No, Mr. Anderson-I never regarded this speech as particularly significant. >> >> Sorry, Mr. Belling--I'm just going by what you said. >> >> : My contention is that an attempt is being made to read more into it than >> : is actually suggested. Himmler's words, if accurate, are no more inciting >> : than those of Ilya Ehrenburg or Henry Morgenthau. >> >> The point is not that Himmler's words are "inciting," Mr. Belling. >> The point is that Himmler's words are an open admission of the Nazi >> extermination policy. >> >> Bill >> >>>>> >Himmler did not set policy. And if it was indeed the policy, why is it that >so many Generals and officers had NO idea what he was even talking about? >Himmler, as you may know, in a meeting with a Jewish Representative, Masur, >in 1945, explicitly stated that extermination was NOT the policy. Himmler also stated to >Hans Lammers that the only people being executed were insurgents and partisans,--rb Such a BIG policy as "extermination" and yet so few leaders knew about it. What a load of bunk the Holocaust two-step is. Kurt Stele "All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:23 PST 1996 Article: 88642 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Belling sees trap, dives in Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:40 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <32c0c7dd.73152332@news.micron.net> References: <59pjc0$cjv@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 21:53:04 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes: > >(filth) >> >>>>> >You need professional help Mark. Go get it, before all that shit inside of you comes oozing out through >your nostrils. LOL! If you continue to debunk his mental defecations he's liable to pop a blood vessel soon. Kurt Stele "Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race can go to Palestine and stew in their own juice. The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings." _Literary Digest_, October 12, 1932. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:24 PST 1996 Article: 88643 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Puts His Foot in it Again Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:45 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <32c0c8b8.73371236@news.micron.net> References: <32bca90e.19470637@news.gte.net> <59l1tc$23h@news.enter.net><32bca90e.19470637@news.gte.net> <59l1tc$23h@news.enter.net> <32be31b4.119278260@news.gte.net> <59pn8i$tv8$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 22:59:30 GMT, gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote: >In message <32be31b4.119278260@news.gte.net> - unterdreckenfuehrer@nizkook.org >(Inveigh the kenneth) writes: >:> AWWWW! It wooks so intimidated. Wook at snookums whine. Isn't it >:>so cute? > >Ladies and gentlemen, above you read the wit and wisdom of Matt Giwer, the >worst enemy "revisionists" ever had. They think he is on their side, but they >are wrong. He is not on anyone's side. He is simply an evil troll, who >affects whatever position he senses will offend the most decent people. The >reason for this is his total failure in life as a professional, husband, >father, and person. He hates the world, especially all decent people (because >he secretly wishes he were one), and thus must strike out at them, in a >desperate and unsuccessful attempt to bring them down to his level. As he >slides deeper and deeper into the bottle, he is reduced more and more to >incoherent ravings like what you read above. Were he not such an evil >bastard, it would be pathetic. He sure does a good job of exposing the Holohoax. >Gord McFee >I'll write no line before its time Your sig. sounds like that of an adolescent, Gord. Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Wed Dec 25 21:12:25 PST 1996 Article: 88644 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:44 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <32c0c838.73242739@news.micron.net> References: <59kvvk$b1g$8@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> <59pnvk$fqr@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 23:11:48 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote: >> gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: >> In message <59ht98$fco@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com21 Dec 1996 >> 23:53:12 GMT writes: >> :> >> >> [deleted] >> >> :>Well, this will be easy. Miss Grese clearly testified that she had >> :>never seen any "gas chambers" and was told of their existence >> :>by rumors spread by the prisoners themselves. More of your nonsense >> :>easily refuted. Good-by, Gracie.--rb >> >> Miss Grese also testified that *everyone* in the camp, presumably including >> her, knew that Sonderbehandlung (special action) meant gassing. Eichmann said >> the same thing in his interrogations, and I doubt he ever heard of Fraeulein >> Grese. Isn't that a bit coincidental? >> >> >> >> -- >> Gord McFee >> I'll write no line before its time >> >> >>>>> >I don't know what you mean by significance. i for one find it odd that >all the camp could "know: that SB meant gassing yet none of them had >ever been told of gas chambers by their superiors or subordinates and none >of them had actually seen the infamous chambers themselves, though alleged >suriviors--men and women, all claimed to have seen them and much more. I have >no reason to disbelieve Miss Grese, as I found no damaging contradictions in her >testimony, as I did with many of the "survivors". i think my post "Juana Bormann and >her Big Bad Wolf" explains it much better. As to SB it could mean a number of things-- >execution was one of them--but so was preferred treatment. it could hardly have been >left to the individual to determine which standard would apply.--rb Tsk tsk. In the absence of physical evidence and credible testimony the holocausters must resort to ascribing sinister meanings to certain words without any basis in fact for doing so. The public doesn't know that of course. Instead the majority of Holocaust believers are under the blind impression that what they believe is supported by indisputable fact. The Holocaust industry knows that of course. It's quite a charade they've going. And on top of such brazen deception they have the gall to move for the suppression of free speech simply to perpetuate the facade. Freedom of speech is to be subordinated to the preservation of lies. Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Thu Dec 26 09:02:29 PST 1996 Article: 88705 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!pith.uoregon.edu!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Big "Mistake" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:30 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <32bc7ccd.155403901@news.micron.net> References: <32b52f51.4486548@199.0.216.204> <19961212195400.OAA12467@ladder01.news.aol.com> <59511a$272@access5.digex.net> <32b73909.89699481@news.micron.net> <59a15a$36t@access5.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 18 Dec 1996 19:10:18 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <32b73909.89699481@news.micron.net>, >Kurt Stele wrote: >>On 16 Dec 1996 21:37:30 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. >>Stein) wrote: >> >>>In article <19961212195400.OAA12467@ladder01.news.aol.com>, >>>Tutu101 wrote: >>>>Re: "The Big Mistake"--To think that there are people and agencies >>>>seeking to stifle free inquiry into this historical event! Here is yet >>>>another example among hundreds, perhaps thousands, as to why the Holocaust >>>>should be subjected to detailed analysis, to determine the accuracy and >>>>truthfulness of the claims. >>> >>> And just what does that have to do with so much of what gets posted >>>here by "revisionists?" E.g., "The Himmler Posen speech tape was >>>doctored" is neither an analysis nor an inquiry. It is an assertion based >>>on no evidence at all. >> >>An assertion no less based on evidence than the assumption that the >>tape is undoctored. > > Wrong again. The voice was identified by a listener, and there were >notes for the speech in Himmler's handwriting, and we have other >confirmation that he gave a speech that day. So there are some positive >reasons to think the tape is real. You can listen to it yourself if you >have RealAudio capability - check Nizkor. > > But if there is any charge of forgery, the claimant bears the burden >of bringing forward evidence that there was such forgery. Remember, the >tapes were found by Americans, not Soviets. > > Still, if you're so sure the tapes are doctored, why aren't you >jumping at the chance to both embarrass Nizkor and make all of us take a >collective $2,000 bath? The offer is still on the table. Or are you not >as sure as you would like people to think? There exists no reason to disprove a tape untested for doctoring and genuineness and consequently worthless. Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Thu Dec 26 09:02:31 PST 1996 Article: 88728 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Giwer Criminal is Caught Again Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:39 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <32bc7be4.155171147@news.micron.net> References: <32b76092.99822630@news.micron.net> <59a7jl$6d0@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 19 Dec 1996 02:00:21 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: > >> Of course the criminal lying gutless Yalie-poo will try to invoke law >> to silence those he finds offensive. What a kike. > > Like it or not, your freedom of speech ends at my front door. I see. So if a person's e-mail saying "Fuck off" offends you one should be able to prosecute them under criminal law. Like I said, what a kike. >The criminal Giwer decided to use criminal harassment as one of his weapons. That >he is being brought to book for those acts is my privilege as a victim of those >crimes. Giwer has never been "brought to book" because you are too much of a cowardly, whining, gutless shyster Yale to charge him. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Thu Dec 26 09:02:32 PST 1996 Article: 88729 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism,alt.religion.christian,alt.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:49 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <32bd1694.194776688@news.micron.net> References: <32a8c370.110136825@news.micron.net> <58d7bk$3jd$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <58dri5$13m@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <32b52bdd.64691104@199.0.216.204> <01bbe79b$fc85e0c0$e5809710@sheldon.ako.dec.com> <58nj6v$iut@sf18.dseg.ti.com> <32b362cb.27789962@news.gte.net> <58vqj8$vh6@news.nyu.edu> <32b61b4e.38700319@news.gte.net> <596109$udc@news.nyu.edu> <32b6cde2.18330230@news.gte.net> <32b72f00.43192745@news.gte.net> <59a5mb$m9k$2@uhura.phoenix.net> <32B9E3B7.3B69@fdr.sum> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi051p03.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.discrimination:59142 alt.politics.white-power:53400 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40580 alt.conspiracy:124390 alt.religion.islam:37198 alt.revisionism:88729 alt.religion.christian:162367 alt.rush-limbaugh:124227 On Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:54:15 -0800, Martin Tolmer wrote: >Doc Tavish wrote: >> >> Attention Lurkers: The same old Kremlin Operative line- discredit the >> opposition with abusive name calling and constant repetition of party >> line phrases especially those that attack the religion of the country >> being infiltrated with subversion. Pay attention to how many days and >> nights you see this "person" and how everytime this "person" is in the >> attack mode. Reminds you of the Clinton Administration's Damage Control >> Squad doesn't it? Their MOs never change. Judaism is religion >> politicized and this is what our subversives wish to push on us. Wake up >> America from your too long sleep. Turn off your TV and pay close >> attention to what is going on around you- it is not too late! >> Doc Tavish > >What i don't undestand is why Israel gets so much money from the U.S.? You don't know the half of it. Kurt Stele Who ever knew truth to be put to the worse in a free and open encounter -- Milton From kurtstel@micron.net Thu Dec 26 09:02:33 PST 1996 Article: 88744 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nova.thezone.net!hookup!news.join.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!sinfony-news01!news01.so-net.or.jp!news.sainet.or.jp!nedsv.!newssvt.tk!newssvt02.tk!news-stock.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,tnn.religion.catholic Subject: Re: Beware of j*w Infiltrators Of Christian Newsgroups Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:57 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <32c0caa7.73865799@news.micron.net> References: <199612241955.LAA23542@mailmasher.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:40591 alt.politics.white-power:53411 alt.revisionism:88744 On 24 Dec 1996 22:09:59 GMT, moo@midtown.net (Bryan Cowan) wrote: >And it's all from antisemites who want to blame everything on Jews. Got >fired from your gas station attendant job? Blame it on the Jews. Can't get >a job? Blame it on the Jews. Stuck living in a trailer with a lousy wife >and six kids? Blame it on the Jews. You get the idea. It is not the unfair holding of Jews resonsible as much as it is the Jewish refusal to accept responsibility for their actions. When Arab civilians in Qana are shelled into fresh hamburger meat by Israelis the story is: "it was all an accident." When the Israelis deliberately murder 34 American servicemen on the U.S.S. Liberty to conceal an imminent invasion of the Golan Heights: "it was all an accident." When it is pointed out that Jews predominantly run or own the 3 largest media companies in the world: "that's all just a coincidence." When it is pointed that all three directors of the Federal Reserve are Jews (Grynspan, Rivlin, Meyer, and runner-up Felix Rohatyn): "that's just a coincidence." When Clinton elects 2000% Jews for government positions "it's just a coincidence." When the media suppresses revisionism from the airwaves while flooding the public with the Holocaust as indisputable fact: "it's just a coincidence." You get the idea. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Thu Dec 26 09:02:34 PST 1996 Article: 88764 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!utcsri!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish Subject: Re: Jews in Israel Hate Immigrants Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:19 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <32c037aa.36230929@news.micron.net> References: <32a8c370.110136825@news.micron.net> <58d7bk$3jd$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <58dri5$13m@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <32b52bdd.64691104@199.0.216.204> <32af2817.6727049@news.gte.net> <32AF891E.359F@columbia.edu> <32b3651b.28382054@news.gte.net> <58vtn1$v8f@news.nyu.edu> <32b6209d.40058560@news.gte.net> <596ogg$4pq@news.nyu.edu> <597oef$bkj$2@uhura.phoenix.net> <5995hh$vdh@news.nyu.edu> <01bbe93a$08eac840$6b3784cd@java.cns.net> <01bbf051$9d918ec0$03f8cbc7@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.clinton:345742 alt.discrimination:59150 alt.politics.white-power:53421 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40604 alt.skinheads:46497 alt.conspiracy:124448 alt.religion.islam:37205 alt.revisionism:88764 soc.culture.jewish:102850 On 22 Dec 1996 21:46:40 GMT, "dan" wrote: > > >Watcher wrote in article ><01bbe93a$08eac840$6b3784cd@java.cns.net>... >> >> >> Reminding the world that Jews are cowards >> Watcher >And they cowardly won six wars? It is not that they are cowards so much as they love to send the goyim in to fight their wars and spill their blood for Jewish interest, unless of course the "war" consists of shelling civilians, torturing Palestinian prisoners, shooting children, or otherwise beating up on militarily disadvantaged countries via U.S. aid and weaponry. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 02:14:49 PST 1996 Article: 88831 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!tezcat!news-out.internetmci.com!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Undoubtedly it Will be for the Sake of the Children. Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:17 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <32c0379f.36220100@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Says Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Wiesenthal Center: It may be time for the FCC to place a cop on the information superhighway. --Home Office Computing, November, 1994, p. 18. ====== Kurt Stele The International Red Cross put the "Loss of victims of persecution because of politics, race or religion who died in prisons and concentration camps between 1939 and 1945" at 300,000. _Die Tat_ of Zurich Switzerland, January 19th, 1955. However, a total of 2,050,000 German civilians were killed in Allied air raids adn forced repatriation after the war. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:05 PST 1996 Article: 88906 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Big "Mistake" Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:25 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 62 Message-ID: <32c03851.36398175@news.micron.net> References: <32bc7ccd.155403901@news.micron.net> <59l1ie$23h@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 23 Dec 1996 04:24:46 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: >> On 18 Dec 1996 19:10:18 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. >> Stein) wrote: > > >> > Wrong again. The voice was identified by a listener, and there were >> >notes for the speech in Himmler's handwriting, and we have other >> >confirmation that he gave a speech that day. So there are some positive >> >reasons to think the tape is real. You can listen to it yourself if you >> >have RealAudio capability - check Nizkor. > >> > But if there is any charge of forgery, the claimant bears the burden >> >of bringing forward evidence that there was such forgery. Remember, the >> >tapes were found by Americans, not Soviets. > >> > Still, if you're so sure the tapes are doctored, why aren't you >> >jumping at the chance to both embarrass Nizkor and make all of us take a >> >collective $2,000 bath? The offer is still on the table. Or are you not >> >as sure as you would like people to think? > >> There exists no reason to disprove a tape untested for doctoring and >> genuineness and consequently worthless. > > Wrong again, "Stele." > > The standards for the admission of a tape recording into evidence can >be found in U.S. v. Starks 515 F.2d 112 (3rd Circuit; 1975). According to that >case the identity of the speaker may be established through the testimony of a >witness who recognizes the voice on the tape. (Commonwealth v. Johnson 450 >Pa. 575, 301 A.2d 632, 634 (1973) There is, as anybody can see from reading >those cases, no reason exists for a proponent to test "For doctoring." That >burden lies on the person challenging the evidence. > > Once more we discover that the little dog Stele has made the mistake >of believing his master's voice (good doggie). Does he ever get tired of making a >fool of himself? > > --YFE When are you going to test the tape Yalie-poo to see if you can convert a recording that is currently worthless into something that is merely inconsequential? Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:06 PST 1996 Article: 88943 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nol.net!df.lth.se!news.lth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jewish Media Control: Close-Up Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:51 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <32c0c9d7.73658437@news.micron.net> References: <32b214c6.9396478@news.micron.net> <32b5103d.18544813@news.micron.net> <597qei$br6$3@uhura.phoenix.net> <32b9fd24.14872739@news.pipeline.com> <59ek3p$bks$4@uhura.phoenix.net> <32BB2CB9.2427@nbnet.nb.ca> <59foin$9v3@netaxs.com> <01bbefb0$39492c80$4ed823c7@prefferc> <59id9o$kh4@ratty.wolfe.net> <32bf639d.20275344@news2.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.activism:107527 alt.conspiracy:124658 alt.discrimination:59181 alt.politics.white-power:53508 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40707 alt.skinheads:46547 alt.religion.islam:37240 alt.revisionism:88943 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 05:02:00 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote: >On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:26:50 GMT, dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) >wrote: > >>"Netcroozer" wrote: >> >> >>>Let's clearify this. When you cyber-SS say "The jews control the media", it >>> doesn't mean that _all_ jews have a hand running it like some lower east side bagelry. >>>It means that the media is and can be controlled by jews only, even if it is only a >>>handful of them. >>>And that is why Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch, Mr. Sony (Columbia), the >>>comparable media moguls of France, Germany, Russia etc. are all jews whether they were born >>>jew or not. Now since GM, Siemens, Mitsubishi, and Texaco etc all sponsor, financially >>>underwrite, big television events such as the Super Bowl, as well as network news, they are >>>all kosher too. In fact, if you look closely at the Texaco star while waiting for your next >>>gas sale to pull in, you can see how it and the star of David are both stars, so Texaco has to >>>be jewish. Ist Wunderbar! >> >>The local Sheriff deputies wear stars too. Oh God they're >>Jooooooos!!!!! >> >> >> >> > >This is a very good point. There are a lot of non-Jewish people in >the media, but only Jews get blamed for whatever the media does. > >This must not be allowed to continue. Word has it the Jews in Canada need a new volunteer to firebomb Ernst Zundel's house again. You seem well-suited for the job. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:07 PST 1996 Article: 88989 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: DIE NAZI SCUM!!! Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:10 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <32c03791.36206593@news.micron.net> References: <32A5E11A.1B6F@rand.nidlink.com> <585j1b$i3n@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <58d63e$84q$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <58dq7c$13m@lendl.cc.emory.edu> <58fmet$crj$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <58n7ue$an8@snow.btinternet.com> <32AF6728.4098@nbnet.nb.ca> <58pblk$3er$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <32b47f39.74109350@206.98.16.3> <32b0d785.14258969@news.gte.net> <32b78aa9.142583768@news.nethawk.net> <591qks$sgn@snow.btinternet.com> <32bf6066.19452183@news2.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:88989 alt.politics.white-power:53536 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40738 alt.conspiracy:124759 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:48:04 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote: >This is just more anti-semitism. It should not be allowed on the Net. Ever thought of working for the Simon Wiesenthal Center? I hear they're taking applications. And you sound totalitarian enough to be Jewish. Kurt Stele "It may be time for the FCC to place a cop on the information superhighway." Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Wiesenthal Center: --Home Office Computing, November, 1994, p. 18. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:08 PST 1996 Article: 88993 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM THE FREEDOM-SITE Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:09 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <32c03570.35661073@news.micron.net> References: <59lbn3$qej@news.interlog.com> <19961223235700.SAA24490@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32bf56a9.62683430@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:06:30 GMT, 10@11.12 (Doc Benway) wrote: >On 23 Dec 1996 23:58:42 GMT, aviatorp47@aol.com (Aviatorp47) wrote: > >>Aviator writes: >> >>Freedom-Site always with their hand out begging for money. Same with all >>the pro-Nazi folks. They are not in it out of conviction, but out of >>greed. > >>The Holocaust Happened, Get Used to It !!! > > And you get used to defending the occurance of something for which >there is no physical evidence. The truth is getting out about Holocaust lies at an exponential rate. I personally think they're fucked. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:08 PST 1996 Article: 88994 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Dresden Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:11 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <32c03796.36211592@news.micron.net> References: <32c0f460.817749@news.demon.co.uk> <59nndb$q1f@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 04:49:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes: > >> Restored paragraph: >> >>I suggest you consult a real lawyer instead of the criminal >> >>Giwer. You know, the bum who hasn't even the guts to file suit against >against >> >>someone he claims is defaming him. >> >> But you keep saying that Mr Giwer has committed criminal acts against > >> >> you, yet you have not filed a complaint. Is that not the same? >> Mr Edeiken > >> > And your basis for saying that is? > >> You should not have edited out your own previous paragraph, that way >> you would have understood what I was saying. > > I understood the question perfectly: > > And your basis for saying that is? Quit bluffing gutless lying shyster. You haven't filed a thing and you know it. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:09 PST 1996 Article: 89015 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!nntp.uio.no!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Victims of the Kosher Thought Police Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:10:13 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 570 Message-ID: <32c0379c.36217051@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p05.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Ernst Zundel, who was tried twice in Toronto and imprisoned in Canada and Germany for publishing the book Did Six Million Really Die? (For an account of his prosecution cf. the book, The Great Holocaust Trial by Michael A. Hoffman II. Available from Wiswell Ruffin House for U.S.$14.95). To contact Mr. Zundel directly write:Samisdat Publications, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario M5A 2L1, Canada. David Irving, who was imprisoned in Canada and then permanently banned from that country for writing revisionist history books and giving revisionist speeches. (He is also banned from entering Australia and Germany). Jim Keegstra: fired from his teaching post and prosecuted in two Canadian state show trials for telling his students about the Controversy of Zion. Revisionist writer Prof. Robert Faurisson, nearly beaten to death by three Khazars from the terror group "Sons of Memory" because of his writings. (Cf. The Globe and Mail, Sept. 18, 1989, p. A-5). Auschwitz forensic researcher Ditlieb Felderer, imprisoned in Sweden because of his writings. The Institute for Historical Review, set ablaze in July of 1984; its entire inventory of revisionist history books destroyed by arson. (Cf. The Nation, March 20, 1989). Gerd Hosnik sentenced to 18 months imprisonment in Austria "for denying the Holocaust"(cf. Jewish Chronicle, May 8, 1992). Arsenio Hall, a talk-show host, targeted by Rabbi Abraham Cooper for having as his TV guest, Louis Farrakhan. "We do not believe that an entertainer hosting an entertainment program should provide Louis Farrakhan a comfortable, cozy and legitimizing platform" said Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which investigates anti-Semitic activity. Rabbi Cooper asked television stations not to broadcast the program...- N.Y. Times, Feb. 27, 1994. Not long after Mr. Hall defied Rabbi Cooper, his television program was canceled. Barry Farber of WABC in New York urged a ban on revisionist historians in all media outlets in a speech the Jewish Telegraph Agency titled, _National Radio Talk-Show Host Bars Revisionist Historians_. (IHR Newsletter #75, Oct. 1990, p. 6). Gunter A. Deckert, sentenced to one year in prison for translating into German a speech given by the American revisionist Fred Leutcher. The sentence was suspended. (N.Y. Times, Aug. 10, 1994). Revisionist historian Ernst Nolte banned from speaking at Wolfson College after having been invited to lecture at the college by its academic policy committee. Censored: The Story of Kufur Shamma, a play about a Palestinian mans 40 year search for his family after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. Canceled by Joseph Papp, an impressario of international stature who controlled New York Citys prestigious Public Theatre. Papp said the cancellation was "not a First Amendment issue" and that he would present the play as soon as he found an Israeli play to counter it with. However Papp never allowed The Story of Kufur Shamma to be produced. Papp told John I. Patches of International Performing Arts Consultants that "he had come under a great deal of pressure and that he could not jeopardize his theatre because he needed the support of the Jewish community." (Cf. Philadelphia Inquirer, June 30, 1989 and the N.Y. Times, July 15, 1989). Mariette Paschoud banned from teaching history in Switzerland after she expressed doubts about the existence of Nazi homicidal gas chambers in World War Two. Paschoud had been a lecturer in history at the Gymnase de la Cite in Lausanne. She had previously served as a captain in the Swiss Army and as a Swiss Military Judge. (N.Y. Times, Dec. 7, 1986, p. 15). Revisionist publisher Pierre Guillaume and revisionist historian Henri Roques were barred from Switzerland for three years for holding a revisionist news conference in Geneva. (N.Y. Times, Dec. 7, 1986, p. 15). Israelis support censorship. The most recent (Israeli) opinion poll shows substantial majorities favor censorship for reasons of...image preservation...This propensity includes a willingness to accept censorship in order to preserve Israels image...In the Israeli-Diaspora Institute poll, fully 63 percent of the respondents agreed that reports or pictures depicting (Israeli) soldiers mistreating residents of the territories should be banned because they harm Israels image. (Canadian Jewish News, March 15, 1990, p. 8). T-shirt ban: Jewish groups are applauding a decision by the Scarborough board of education that a student may not wear a T-shirt in school emblazoned with a flag of Palestine along with the words, "We Fight for Our Right". (Canadian Jewish News, July 26, 1990, p. 28). Revisionist Video store raided by Canadian police: History Buff Video of Hamilton was raided by the special Hate Crimes Unit, Project H, of the Ontario Provincial Police. Police had been told that proprietor Jerry Neumann was selling anti-Jewish videos. Videos were confiscated in the raid. (Canadian Jewish News, Nov. 23, 1989, p. 7). Bernard Notin, senior lecturer at Frances Lyon University was suspended from teaching for one year and fined the equivalent of U.S.$4,000 for publishing an article in the universitys sociological journal claiming gas chambers were a figment of popular imagination. A Paris court found Notin guilty of causing "needless pain to...the Jewish community." (Canadian Jewish News, July 26, 1990, p. 16). Alain Guionnet, was sentenced in France to nine months in jail and fined the equivalent of U.S.$13,500 for the crime of editing a revisionist history magazine. (Jewish Press, July 20, 1990, p. 1). All books by the childrens author Roald Dahl have been banned from a Toronto bookstore. The store, which is called The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe has banned Dahl books due to the late authors statement that the Israelis slaughtered 22,000 Lebanese civilians during the Israeli air force bombardment of Beirut in 1982. (Bookstore Bans Works of Anti-Semitic Author, Canadian Jewish News, July 12, 1990, p. 2). Meanwhile Michele Landsberg, author of Michelle Landsbergs Guide to Childrens Books, has announced that she has detected in the Roald Dahl story, Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory a sadistic reference to Auschwitz. Landsberg, who calls Dahl "a monstrous personality," has "excoriated the book Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory for a scene in which the misbehaving child is sent to an incinerator. "This is an Auschwitz image", Landsberg said." (Canadian Jewish News, Dec. 20, 1990, p. 18). A U.S. Judge banned a book by Victor Ostrovsky which gives an account of the murders committed by the Israeli Mossad secret police, after the government of Israel sought a ban on the book in America. N.Y. State Supreme Court Judge Michael Dontzin ordered St. Martins Press to stop the publication. The book, By Way of Deception:A Devastating Insiders Portrait of the Mossad was also banned by a Canadian judge who issued a gag order forbidding Ostrovsky from discussing his book. The author was in hiding, in fear for his life, after having been visited by two senior Mossad officers who told Ostrovsky "it would be for his own good" if he withdrew the book. They also told him, "money would be no object" if he decided to stop publication of the book. A spokesman for the Israeli consulate, Yuval Rotem, confirmed that Israel was seeking to suppress the book. A leading First Amendment lawyer said that this was the first time that any foreign state had sought or obtained a prior restraint against the publication of a book in the U.S. (N.Y. Times, Sept. 13, 1990). Two days after the government of Israel sought to ban Victor Ostrovskys book, By Way of Deception, the offices of his Canadian publisher were burglarized and ransacked. "The burglars concentrated on files pertaining to foreign rights, information about employees and the executive who was responsible for bringing the book to us," said Angel Guerra, a spokesman for the Toronto-based Stoddart Publishing Co. Canadian police confirmed Guerras account. (Village Voice, Oct. 2, 1990, p. 35). A novel based on the life of William Joyce, a radio broadcaster who worked for the Nazis during World War Two, was seized by British police and banned as obscene by a British court. The book, Lord Horror, written by David Britton, was declared "likely to deprave and corrupt" under section three of Britains Obscene Publications Act. Copies of the book have been ordered destroyed by Judge Derrick Fairclough. The author said he saw Joyce, whose nickname was Lord Haw Haw, as a "Bertie Wooster type." The court ruled the book anti-Semitic. (Sunday Telegraph, Sept. 8, 1991). School-teacher Malcolm Ross was ordered removed from his teaching position immediately by a human rights board of inquiry. Inquiry chairman Brian Bruce, a University of New Brunswick law professor, said that Ross may be appointed to a non-teaching position. Ross was dismissed from his teaching post for writing books alleging the existence of a Zionist conspiracy. No evidence was presented that he had ever taught such views in his classroom. (Ross Ordered Removed as Teacher, Canadian Jewish News, Sept. 5, 1991, p. 4). Book sellers license revoked: The mayor of a town in New Brunswick, Canada has revoked a vending license issued to a woman selling copies of books authored by school-teacher Malcolm Ross. Fredericton Mayor Brad Woodside received numerous complaints from people opposed to the sale of the books. The mayor said the license was revoked because sale of books authored by Ross, "posed a threat to public peace and safety." (Canadian Jewish News, Aug. 15, 1991, p. 5). 80 year old Jane Birdwood of London, England was sentenced to a three month suspended jail term and fined the equivalent of U.S.$1,000 for publishing a book critical of the Talmud, a collection of writings sacred to the Pharisees. The book Birdwood printed, The Longest Hatred was seized from her flat by British police and destroyed. This was Birdwoods second prosecution for violating Britains Public Order Act by publishing dissident literature. The Home Secretary, Mr. Kenneth Baker, has banned Fred Leutcher, author of a report that claims there were no homicidal gas chambers at the Nazi death camps, from entering Britain. Mr. Baker said he had decided to keep Mr. Leutcher out because his "deeply repugnant views" were "an offense to British Jews and his presence here would not be conducive to the public good." (Jewish Chronicle, Oct. 4, 1991). Leutcher was subsequently arrested by British police in the course of giving a lecture at a hall in Britain. The Canadian Waterloo County Board of Education has banned the teaching of The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare after Jewish parents complained the play contained unsympathetic portrayals of Jewish characters. Mona Zenter, a Kitchener parent, leads the drive against the teaching of The Merchant of Venice. Zenter heads a lobby group, Citizens Against Bigotry. Complaints were also received about the book Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens. (Canadian Jewish News, Jan. 31, 1991, p. 33). Censored: The New Lexicon Websters Dictionary of the English Language (2nd Encyclopedic edition). The entry on Pontius Pilate is to be "revised." It had previously read, "He gave Christ up to the Jews to be crucified, in order to conciliate the Sanhedrin, though possibly against his own desire." In response to concerns expressed by Jewish groups, Bernard Cayne, vice-president and editorial director for the dictionary, told the Khazars "We will be revising the entry Pontius Pilate to remove the objections you pointed out." (Canadian Jewish News, May 25, 1989, p. 20). Rabbis Ban Childrens Cartoon From American TV: The animated New Testament, a series produced by the Christian Family Entertainment Network was banned from the airwaves by three television stations, acceding to the demands of rabbis at the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Rabbi Marvin Hier and Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the center said the videos about the life of Christ, "reinforce negative and dangerous stereotypes about the Jewish people..." They "asked television stations to stop carrying the half-hour >infomercial,< a commercial presented as a program with excerpts from the videos and interviews with parents and young viewers...Television stations in Los Angeles, Minneapolis and San Diego have stopped showing the current commercial broadcast, Wiesenthal Center officials said." (N.Y. Times, Sept. 5, 1991). Danish-based Publisher Sought for Prosecution in Germany: Associated Press, Nov. 2, 1994. KOLLUND, Denmark -- In his haven across the Flensborg fiord from Germany, Thies Christophersen has been quietly publishing magazines and books for years denying that the Holocaust ever happened...Protesters (communists-Ed.) have staged at least two violent rallies (riots-Ed.) to demand that Denmark tighten its liberal press freedoms law, a backlash that has put the government in the position of defending the right of Nazis to speak out. Christophersen came to Denmark to avoid charges (imprisonment-Ed.) in Germany in 1986. Denmark has turned down Germany's requests to extradite Christophersen because he holds a Danish residency permit. His work is protected by Denmark's press law. In recent years, Christophersen has held meetings with leading European right-wing figures. The Copenhagen newspaper Det Fri Aktuelt said Christophersen printed the neo-Nazi publication Liberty Bell for distribution in the United States. Christophersen prints a quarterly called Die Bauernschaft, which means "The Peasantry," in German. Under the name Nordwind publishing, he has produced his own book, The Auschwitz Lie, and other publications denying that Germany exterminated millions of Jews during World War II. The Danish government has been reluctant to take harsh action. Legislators have promised to review the law on racism, but stress that freedom of speech is sacrosanct in Denmark. Germany repeatedly has asked its northern neighbor to tighten its legislation, saying neo-Nazis produce hate propaganda in Denmark and then export it to Germany and other countries. Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal appealed to Danish consciences... "These neo-Nazis do things which are against the Danish peoples sentiments," Wiesenthal told Danish news media. The following documentation was provided by World War Two German army veteran Hans Schmidt and is excerpted from Mr. Schmidts GANPACBrief No. 145 (Nov. 1994). [To subscribe to GANPAC for 12 issues, send U.S.$50. Contact: GANPAC, P.O. Box 11124, Pensacola, Florida 32524]. Former German Wehrmacht General Otto-Ernst Remer sentenced to 22 months in prison for questioning WWII accusations against the Germans in his publication, Remer-Depesche. As a result, the sickly 82-year old sought political asylum in Spain, where he is currently living. Germar Rudolf, a young German chemist, formerly with the prestigious Max-Planck-lnstitute, came to doubt the "gas chamber" claims, and on his own went to Auschwitz to take samples of the insides of the alleged gas chambers, and also of known fumigation chambers for clothes. The results of his research was devastating for the missionaries of the new Holocaust religion. Therefore, the "heretic" Rudolf was made to pay the price. He lost his job, his chance to complete his doctorate, and is now under indictment for "defamation." Erhard Kemper, a German agricultural expert, and freelance journalist, attacks the lies upon which the West German state is founded, one of which is the Holocaust claim. He is currently in jail (for an as yet indeterminate time) for his numerous transgressions. Thies Christophersen is also an agricultural expert and a publisher. During WW II he was stationed near the Auschwitz concentration camp, and employed concentration camp inmates on his research farm. Decades ago he wrote a book claiming that, had gas chambers existed at Auschwitz, he would have known about them. For this he is under indictment. Before trial, he fled to political exile in Denmark, where he is still living today. Christophersen is willing to stand trial in Germany if the system there allows him to select and present expert witnesses of his choosing. So far German courts have not had the courage to allow such witnesses. Dr. Wilhelm Staglich was an anti-aircraft officer stationed at Auschwitz. He wrote a book (DER AUSCHWITZ MYTHOS) denying that mass murder on the claimed scale could have taken place there, or that homicidal gas chambers were used. A former judge and the holder of an earned doctorate, he was nevertheless persecuted for his beliefs and, using a law signed by Hitler, "they" eventually took away his doctorate because he was telling the truth as he saw it. His book was prohibited, all unsold copies were burned and even the printing plates were destroyed by order of the court. Helmut Grimm, a German intellectual holding doctorates in both medicine and jurisprudence, wrote letters about the Holocaust, to high officials and the judiciary. Recently, while he was absent, a large team of government goons searched his home without a search warrant, and confiscated nearly everything movable. He is now in political asylum in Denmark. Udo Walendy, a German publisher delving critically into matters of history, has been in constant troubles with German authorities, and has been heavily fined. Tiudar Rudolph, (age 82) questions all allied accusations against Germany, and provides proof that some of the allegations are nothing but a continuation of the war propaganda. Recently, he was jailed. Joachim Sigerist, a writer and publisher, is currently incarcerated. Walter Ochensberger, an Austrian citizen and publisher was convicted in criminal court. Ochensberger fled before he could be jailed. On a sea trip from a Baltic country to Denmark, the ferry he was on "inexplicably" had to enter a German harbor. There he was arrested (remember, for a strictly political offense), and against his protestations and without proper extradition, sent to Austria, where he is now in prison. Dr. Max Wahl, a Swiss citizen and publisher, was sentenced by a German court to pay nearly DM 40,000 (U.S. $25,000) for publicly questioning many of the allied war claims, among them the Holocaust accusations, and for stating that Germany's former enemies are using these accusations to blackmail Germany into still paying tribute (in the form of reparations) to other countries, and especially to Jews and Israel, a half century after the war's end. Gerd Honsik, an Austrian publisher, wrote several books delving into historical matters, one of them exposing Simon Wiesenthals actions. He was sentenced to fines and jail, and is currently in exile in Spain. Andreas Thierry (24) and Adolf Schatzmay (22), received jail sentences of 18 and 15 months by a court in Klagenfurt, Austria, because they had publicly defended the historical record of the Waffen-SS. Gert Sudholt, well-known German book publisher, was put in jail for writing and publishing books and articles about matters that are "verboten" in Germany. Christian Worch, (28), spent three years in jail (1980 to 1983) for the following: "Volksverhetzung, veffassungsfeindliche Propaganda, Beleidigung von lebenden und toten Juden! Teilnahme an nicht genehmigten Demonstrationen etc." (he never advocated violence)," (creating hate; disseminating propaganda which is directed against the constitution; insulting living and dead Jews, and participation in illegal demonstrations). Unlike real criminals, Worch was kept in prison for the entire sentence. Since then (for more than 10 years) he is on indeterminate parole, and has to report monthly to a parole officer. Max Albrechtskirchinger, was fined DM 4,000 (U.S. $2,500) for the following: He had written a letter to the small magazine of one of the editors mentioned above, quoting without commentary these sentences from the testimony of Jewish-German defense witness Josef Burg at the 1988 trial of Ernst Zundel in Canada: "I am working for the reconciliation of Jews and Germans. My presence here proves that among thousands of bad Jews there are some who do not accuse the Germans of the Holocaust. I am convinced that there was never a German plan to exterminate all the Jews, and no Jews were killed in gas chambers." The court held that Albrechtskirchinger, by quoting this Jewish gentleman, proved that he agreed with the testimony and therefore transgressed against German laws. Dr. Waldemar Schneider, is a German expert on Oriental culture and religion. In 1992 he wrote for a German-language newsletter a book review of a Japanese book that was a bestseller in Japan but had been castigated by the N.Y. Times for alleged anti-Jewish statements. Soon thereafter, Simon Wiesenthal, the "Nazi hunter," accused Dr. Schneider in a German court of "creating hate" and demanded that he be prosecuted. Jurgen Graf, a young Swiss teacher is very interested in World War II history. He became fascinated by the Holocaust allegations, and especially the incongruities. Graf wrote a revisionist book about World War Two. Soon after publication, he received an official letter from a German court, signed by a zealot in Mannheim named Staatsanwalt Heiko Klein, announcing that a criminal investigation had begun, and that he will be compelled to answer for his writings. Franz Ruby, (85) was fined $4,000 for publicly stating that Germany should remain populated mainly by Germans. Markus Privenau, age 22, placed adhesive stickers commemorating the name of Rudolf Hess, on a street sign in Germany. He was sentenced to three months imprisonment. [End GANPAC documentation researched by Hans Schmidt]. Associated Press. Nov. 7, 1994: Neo-Nazi Faces Holocaust Charges. MUNICH, Germany -- Bela Ewald Althans went on trial on Nov. 7 in Germany on charges of glorifying Adolf Hitler and denying the Holocaust occurred. Prosecutors say Althans has been feeding young Fascists beliefs by producing video cassettes that insist the Nazis did not kill 6 million Jews. He is also accused of distributing anti-Semitic films produced during the Nazi era. Althans "German Educational Works" has been distributing the propaganda, prosecutor Werner Fuegemann told the Munich state court. Althans does not just distribute movies. He also stars in one, a documentary about his life called "Career: Neo-Nazi." There was a huge controversy last year over the film, in which Althans voiced his admiration of Hitler. The documentarys leftist distributors said the film was intended to expose the falsehoods of neo-Nazis' claims. But critics said because the documentary lacked commentary, it could encourage young neo-Nazis. Many movie theaters have refused to show the film. A Berlin court is trying Althans for statements he made in "Career: Neo-Nazi." =========== Kurt Stele "All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 11:37:11 PST 1996 Article: 89050 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.christnet,uk.misc,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kurt Stele/Brian Smith: Idiot or Doofus? Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:46 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <32c0c915.73463566@news.micron.net> References: <199612151726.MAA18003@nym.alias.net> <32c64021.16570378@199.0.216.204> <32b5d31c.68439318@news.micron.net> <32b735ab.88837289@news.micron.net> <32bdb6ed.235832534@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.christnet:137112 alt.religion.islam:37287 alt.revisionism:89050 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 07:28:47 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <32bdb6ed.235832534@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: > > >> The government certainly was in no manner founded to permit Jews to >> use the government to enforce the dietary laws of the Jewish religion >> as is currently being done, a clear violation of Church and State. >> Jews, not Christians, are the most flagrant violators of Church and >> state today. > >Please tell me the last time you were FOCREd to observe jewish dietary laws? You miss the point of course. The state is enforcing Jewish dietary laws as such. The state has specific laws for the enforcement of kosher laws. Sunday closing laws not yet repealed do not mention or make reference to Christian law. Only Jews have the state specifically and expressly enforcing violations of its religious laws per se and according to definitions which only a religious group can determine. There is no reason that regular fraud law should not suffice. No other "religion" is afforded such special treatment. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 16:44:28 PST 1996 Article: 89307 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Jewish Media Control: Close-Up Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:50 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 73 Message-ID: <32c45f89.308623417@news.micron.net> References: <32b214c6.9396478@news.micron.net> <32b5103d.18544813@news.micron.net> <597qei$br6$3@uhura.phoenix.net> <32b9fd24.14872739@news.pipeline.com> <59ek3p$bks$4@uhura.phoenix.net> <32BB2CB9.2427@nbnet.nb.ca> <59foin$9v3@netaxs.com> <01bbefb0$39492c80$4ed823c7@prefferc> <59id9o$kh4@ratty.wolfe.net> <32bf639d.20275344@news2.cais.com> <32c0c9d7.73658437@news.micron.net> <32C2B613.384F@tax.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.activism:107796 alt.conspiracy:125165 alt.discrimination:59260 alt.politics.white-power:53711 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40947 alt.skinheads:46683 alt.religion.islam:37369 alt.revisionism:89307 On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 09:29:55 -0800, Bob Wells wrote: >Kurt Stele wrote: >> >> On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 05:02:00 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote: >> >> >On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:26:50 GMT, dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) >> >wrote: >> > >> >>"Netcroozer" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Let's clearify this. When you cyber-SS say "The jews control the media", it >> >>> doesn't mean that _all_ jews have a hand running it like some lower east side bagelry. >> >>>It means that the media is and can be controlled by jews only, even if it is only a >> >>>handful of them. >> >>>And that is why Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch, Mr. Sony (Columbia), the >> >>>comparable media moguls of France, Germany, Russia etc. are all jews whether they were born >> >>>jew or not. Now since GM, Siemens, Mitsubishi, and Texaco etc all sponsor, financially >> >>>underwrite, big television events such as the Super Bowl, as well as network news, they are >> >>>all kosher too. In fact, if you look closely at the Texaco star while waiting for your next >> >>>gas sale to pull in, you can see how it and the star of David are both stars, so Texaco has to >> >>>be jewish. Ist Wunderbar! >> >> >> >>The local Sheriff deputies wear stars too. Oh God they're >> >>Jooooooos!!!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >This is a very good point. There are a lot of non-Jewish people in >> >the media, but only Jews get blamed for whatever the media does. >> > >> >This must not be allowed to continue. >> >> Word has it the Jews in Canada need a new volunteer to firebomb Ernst >> Zundel's house again. You seem well-suited for the job. >> >> Kurt Stele >> >> At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson >> charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously >> "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no >> trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, >> 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. >And what does that prove? "It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical appliances were built in for mass extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were being led to the bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the building where the floor was electrified in a special way; there they were killed." IMT VII - p.576-577. "IMT", International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg Trials. Kurt Stele The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. (Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.). From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Dec 27 17:35:23 PST 1996 Article: 89308 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.christnet,uk.misc,alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Kurt Stele/Brian Smith: Idiot or Doofus? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:28 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <32c45f82.308616743@news.micron.net> References: <199612151726.MAA18003@nym.alias.net> <32c64021.16570378@199.0.216.204> <32b5d31c.68439318@news.micron.net> <32b735ab.88837289@news.micron.net> <32bdb6ed.235832534@news.micron.net> <32c0c915.73463566@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.christnet:137360 alt.religion.islam:37370 alt.revisionism:89308 On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 10:01:02 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote: >In article <32c0c915.73463566@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >Stele) wrote: > > >> You miss the point of course. The state is enforcing Jewish dietary >> laws as such. The state has specific laws for the enforcement of >> kosher laws. > >That is a lie, and you know it, Mr. "Stele/Smith" Not. >All the "State" does is make sure that there is truth is advertising. THe >so-called law you keep quoting merely states that if you CALL something >kosher, it must BE kosher. No other religion has state law to specifically enforce their religious laws in which the religious group alone decides the definition of the law. >That's no different than saying if you call something fat-free, it must BE >fat-free. >Gee... my bank was closed yesterday for CHRISTMAS. Christians do not have special state squads and laws to specifically enforce Christmas in a certain way and criminally prosecute according to how Christians want Christman to be done. Only Jews are granted such unconstitutional privileges. Kurt Stele "[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:35 PST 1996 Article: 89329 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: imt follies Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:53:05 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <32c46110.309014257@news.micron.net> References: <32c1e746.123559444@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 02:48:27 GMT, Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) wrote: > > THIS IS YOUR IMT: Let Them Make Bricks WIthout Straw > > *And Pharaoh commanded the same day ... saying, Ye shall no more give >the people straw to make brick, as heretofore; let them gather straw >for themselves* > [Exodus, V:6-7] > > in August, 1942, the prisoners were ordered by the German >staff of the camp to have all of their hair removed from their armpits >and around their genitals, as otherwise they would be shot. Not one >prisoner received a razor from the Germans, though the Germans knew >well that they had none. The prisoners spent the whole night plucking >out their hair with their hands and assisting one another. However, >in the morning the guards killed four prisoners and wounded three by >rifle fire. > > IMT VII, p. 433 This stuff is GREAT! Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:36 PST 1996 Article: 89330 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 'Grabner Ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening' Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:53:11 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <32c460bb.308929336@news.micron.net> References: <32c430e7.1422996@199.0.216.204> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Wed, 25 Dec 1996 14:02:46 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote: >> From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz: >>[Quoted in "'The Good Old Days'" - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The >>Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 255]. >>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>At another, later gassing -- also in autumn 1941 -- Grabner* ordered >>me to pour Zyklon B ....... > > >> * Maximillian Grabner, Head of Political Department, Auschwitz > > This testimony shows to what extremes the takers of the >'confessions' had to resort to. > > Here we have a book keeper giving his 'confession'. > > As it goes, he says that he was called on becasue some of the >others didn't show up for work. Now we must wonder why Grabner didn't >call on one of the many SS and other Germans who over saw the camp of >100,000 instead of opting to have a book keeper help him. > > And what about Grabner himself? "Head of the Political >Department". > > Idiotic. Thats Holocaust testimony for you. With some lurkers all that is required to them up to what is rotten in Holocaust-Land is debunking ONE ridiculous testimony. Within others the seed of doubt is planted. Kurt Stele Who ever knew truth to be put to the worse in a free and open encounter -- Milton From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:37 PST 1996 Article: 89381 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!nntp.portal.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.conservatism Subject: Re: Paranoiac Rage ( was Re: Laughter is the Best Medicine ) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 03:21:51 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 136 Message-ID: <32c4920e.321558022@news.micron.net> References: <199612100622.WAA28462@mailmasher.com> <58j86v$jrb@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <58q2qs$l9b$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <58rrgk$jo0$6@gryphon.phoenix.net> <32B70B4B.4 <32BE4F9F.7119@cais.com> <59ounp$278@explorer2.clark.net> <32C29421.4BB7@cais.com> <59v8vh$g76@explorer2.clark.net> <32C3CB28.1E6A@cais.com> <5a1ldk$fds@explorer2.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi042p04.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:53747 alt.revisionism:89381 alt.politics.nationalism.white:40999 soc.culture.usa:102379 alt.conspiracy:125267 alt.society.conservatism:66388 On 27 Dec 1996 18:17:08 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) wrote: >The evasive crybaby Mark Raven , in ><32C3CB28.1E6A@cais.com>, writes: > >MR>In a classic, dishonest UseNet cut-and paste, Charles Power evades > every point and every >MR>question I raised, whilst claiming I did the same. Now that I have > become familiar with his >MRreputation, I am not surprised. Everything he didn't want to respond > to got edited out. > >Mark, I use quotes in a response to establish context and >clarify what's going on for other participants. If something >in the message to which I'm responding strikes me as empty, >incoherent, posturing verbiage, not worth responding to, of >course I get rid of it. This is called "editing." You should >learn about it sometime. (You and a hell of a lot of others >on this and other newsgroups. One excellent moderated >newsgroup automatically rejects any post in which there is >more quoted than new material.) > >MR> He >MR>fills in with his characteristic insult and vitriol. > >Oh, believe me, you haven't even begun to become acquainted >with my reserves of insult and vitriol. I've been handling >you with kid gloves. > >MR>For any interested party, I have reproduced a speech entitled > "Preserving The Third Temple >MR>Commonwealth; Israel's Nuclear Strategy" By Louis Rene Beres, > Professor of Political Science >MR>and International Law, Purdue University, that may answer some of your > questions. See my >MR>concurrent post entitled "Israel's Nuclear Strategy". > >Hasn't turned up on my server yet. Sure you posted it? Anyone >else see this? (BTW, your promise to post this turns up twice >in your message. Learn to edit.) > >MR> Of course you already know everything >MR>in that post, and your questions are insincere. > >You have a remarkably high opinion of my knowledge, Mark, but >the fact is that I'm no Mideast specialist. I'm sure I have >much to learn. Regrettably, I learn very little from Israel- >bashers on this newsgroup, since, like you, what they post is >dubious and unsubstantiated. (Longtime participants will >understand what I mean in saying that sometimes I'm >positively nostalgic for Wayne McGuire.) > >Now you have made three dubious assertions in this thread >which come to mind offhand: > >1) Israel possesses 300 nuclaer warheads (not that I'd deny > that this might be true, but I'd like to know where you > get the figure); > >2) Israel lies about the above; > >3) the United States contravenes its own law in giving > (non-nuclear) military aid to Israel, because Israel is > a non-signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. > >Now, if I'm misrepresenting what you wrote, please let me >know. > >What, OTOH, have I asserted? I told you that I understood >that Israel has a nuclear weapons program and that it neither >confirms nor denies this. You ask where I get this >understanding, and frankly, I don't have a specific answer-- >it's just some of the general furniture in my brain, picked >up from news reports, books, television, and, indeed, BBS and >Internet messages. > >I don't understand the point of your question. Surely you >don't intend to contest that Israel has nuclear weaponry. And >I certainly can't prove that it keeps quiet about it, since >I don't have an exhaustive database of every official Israeli >statement ever made. > >It's up to you to show that Israel has denied having nuclear >weapons at a time when it did have them. That would be a lie. >You haven't. You haven't even tried. You prefer to whine >about the fact that I've edited away some of the >inconsequential flab from your messages. > >If you're going to continue in this crybaby mode, the hell >with you. > >MR>More prevarication. Vanunu's interest was to prevent nuclear > conflagration; Pollard's was to >MR>facilitate it. And Pollard was PAID for it. > >Could you demonstrate that Pollard financially benefited? >Getting reimbursed for the expenses of his spying wouldn't >count. My understanding is that Pollard didn't get any money >at all from Israel, though. I could be wrong. > >In any case, how do you know Pollard's motives? Seems to me >that the simplest explanation (absent big bucks motivation) >is that Pollard was concerned with Israel's security, and >believed that the United States was failing on its own >commitments to share information vital to Israel's security. >(I'm not going to argue whether he was right about this, or >whether such a situation, even if it existed, justified >Pollard's betrayal of confidence. I'm just saying that I see >no reason to doubt that these were his motives.) What >interest do you think Pollard would have had in causing a >nuclear conflagration, since you now assert that this was not >just a possible consequence but an actual motive for his >actions? > >BTW, are you asserting that Vanunu got no financial >compensation for his betrayal of his country's secrets, as >seems implicit in your attempt above to contrast him with >Pollard? > >The rest of your message has been edited out as >inconsequential, flabby, bug-brained, unsubstantiated, fuzzy, >jackass crapola. If you want to continue this exchange, start >by answering the three numbered points above, and for bonus >points, answer my questions about Pollard. Pollard was Jew traitor. Any other questions you want answered traitor-apologist? Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:39 PST 1996 Article: 89391 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!wesley.videotron.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!news.micron.net!news From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.rel.christian,alt.religion.islam Subject: Re: Nazi Atrocities? Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 06:38:50 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <32c0ca33.73749593@news.micron.net> References: <594sos$s6k$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <597b3d$b9j@news.nyu.edu> <597ikg$430@lex.zippo.com> <59aecc$nnf$1@uhura.phoenix.net> <59aru4$3t2@lex.zippo.com> <32bc7c41.155263594@news.micron.net> <32bf6258.19950023@news2.cais.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi013p01.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:89391 alt.politics.nationalism.white:41008 alt.politics.white-power:53757 alt.religion.islam:37411 On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 04:57:05 GMT, Mark@worldcom.com (Mark) wrote: >On Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:35:44 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) >wrote: > >>On Sat, 21 Dec 1996 13:36:08 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >>Alstine) wrote: >> >>>In article <59aru4$3t2@lex.zippo.com>, Ourobouros wrote: >> >>>> Starvation is hardly new -- sieges come to mind. >>> >>>Indeed. But the Nazis didn't lay siege to the POW and concentration camps >>>they built and manned- and the the prisoners they starved to death there. >> >>Prove starvation was done deliberately. >> >>>And, of course, they also murdered millions in them (i.e. the >>>extermination camps) via homicidal gassings. That, at least, _was_ >>>something horrifyingly new. >> >>Prove extermination by gassing, Von Smallstank. >> >>Kurt Stele >> >>At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson >>charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously >>"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no >>trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, >>1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. >> > >We do not have to prove anything because the Holocaust is FACT. It's >about time you Nazis quit trying to deny it. You will never win >this argument, you should just quit trying to spread your filthy >LIES!!! > >NAZIS ARE ALL LIARS!!! Ken? Is that you under there, Ken? Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:39 PST 1996 Article: 89430 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.fdt.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.229.87.25!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Blackmore vs. Blackmore Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 02:53:49 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <32c48b99.319904811@news.micron.net> References: <59i4k0$nmu$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> <59mru0$33r@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi042p04.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 24 Dec 1996 13:58:47 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) wrote: >rblackmore@juno.com writes: > >> Mr. Power writes: > >No, I didn't. You are having serious problems figuring out who >said what. I may have been involved in the thread, but I did not >write the words to which you were replying. Do try to figure out >to whose mail you are replying. > >And yes, you are an asshole. Tsk tsk. Poor Chuckie-cheese. Becoming unglued along with his favorite Holocaust. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:40 PST 1996 Article: 89431 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!news.fdt.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!206.229.87.25!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Matt Giwer: is he a felon? I dunno. Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 03:21:20 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 54 Message-ID: <32c491fb.321539228@news.micron.net> References: <32c455c4.9096843@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi042p04.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:41:26, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: >In article <32c455c4.9096843@news.gte.net> premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor) writes: >>From: premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor) >>Subject: Joel Rosenberg (???) >>Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:06:11 GMT > >> A person claiming to be an SF author, fantasy at best, author of >>this name has threatened to post what he claims to be an anonymous >>email as his own. > >You're losing it again, Matt; you're incoherent. And that's "offered to", >not threatened. > >And no, I've not offered to post it "as my own." It's not "my own". In fact, >it contains some allegations about you -- about a conviction and some >restraining orders -- that I have no idea about the truth of. It also >contains the names and addresses and phone numbers of supposed relatives of >yours that supposedly have had restraining orders issued against you. > >I don't have the slightest idea if any of that's true -- although I was able >to verify your father's address via Switchboard -- but invite you to admit it, >if so. > >If there's any truth at all in the more serious allegation, I'm very sure you >know what I'm talking about. (And, if true, it would explain much about >why you are such a sad and lonely old lunatic.) > >> Mr. Rosenberg should know that there are very many SF, fantasy and >>related usenet groups of readers who may or may not know his name. In >>any event, revealing the true nature of JR in all of those groups >>would certainly be a labor of love. > >Whatever you're threatening, just go ahead and do it and get it off your >chest, okay? Feel free to spew wherever you wish, Matt; I know you will, >anyways. Kike this, and fatbroad that, and gibber here and drool there. Big >fat hairy deal. (But, at least you're not making bogus lawsuit threats -- who >says you can't teach an old lunatic new tricks, eh?) > >Now, would you like it posted, or not? I'll be happy to copy you on it -- but >you'll have to request it publicly. What a kike. Kike is the name. Smear is the game. Kurt Stele At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946). No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:41 PST 1996 Article: 89520 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: This is your IMT at work for justice Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:53:02 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <32c4603f.308805008@news.micron.net> References: <32c1e5fc.123229565@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 02:43:18 GMT, Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) wrote: > >THIS IS YOUR IMT: The Provenance of Documents > > > >DR STAHMER: I must object to the use of this document, since I cannot >recognize that it is genuine. I have not yet seen the original, and >the doubts as to its being genuine are due to the fact that >expressions are used which are most unusual in the German language. >[....] For example, the expression *Gerichtlichkeiten* is used. This >is an expression completely unusual and unknown in the German language >and I cannot imagine that an official document originating from a >Gauleiter could contain such a word. > >[....] > >SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: This is a file copy which, to the best of my >knowledge, was captured at the office of the Gau Leader. It was sent >to us by the British Army of the Rhine. I shall make inquiries about >it, but it purports to be a file copy [....] > >The PRESIDENT: Dr. Stahmer, I have the original document in my hands >now, together with the certificate of an officer of the British Army >stating that the document was delivered to him in the above capacity, >in the ordinary course of official business, as the original of a >document found in German records of files captured by military forces >under the command of the Supreme Commander. Under these circumstances >it is in exactly the same position as all the other captured >documents. > > > >IMT IX, p. 610 The requirements for a document at Nuremberg to be accepted into court was indeed a high standard: an "I! SAID! SO!" and a wink from Allied victors to each other. Hoo boy, Nuremberg was a fair trial alright. (holding nose) Kurt Stele "All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." --- Arthur Schopenhauer From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:42 PST 1996 Article: 89521 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: a normal fair trial Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:53:00 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 69 Message-ID: <32c45fa4.308650142@news.micron.net> References: <32c1e5bf.123168598@news.gte.net> <59st75$5ro@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 26 Dec 1996 03:59:33 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> the Criminal Giwer writes: > >> FROM YOUR IMT: > >> > >> DR SEIDL: When the witness was heard here I had no opportunity to >> cross-examine him, and for that reason .... > >> PRESIDENT: Why did you have no opportunity to cross examine him? > >> DR SEIDL: Because I did not know beforehand that he would be called by >> the Prosecution as a witness and had no opportunity to speak to the >> Defendant Frank about the questions which might have been put to the >> witness. > >> [....] > >> DR SEIDL: May I perhaps add something to this point? The difficulty >> of cross examination is just this, that we do not learn of the >> intended calling of a witness by the Prosecution until the witness is >> led into the courtroom, and we do not know the subject of the evidence >> until the Prosecution start to examine the witness. > >> > >> Just like in any regular trial. >> Source: IMT, VIII, p. 521 > > Yes. The defense attorney made an objection. > > No ruling of the Court is reported. > > No argument by the Prosecution is reported. > > All the criminal Giwser presents is the fact that a defense attorney made >some sort of objection. > > The criminal Giwer apparently believes that the fact that a defense >attorney makes an objection is proof that no fair trial was had. > > `--YFE Yalie-poo the shyster in true form defends the Nuremberg Court as a "fair trial in all aspects" even where the Prosecution calls witnesses without the defense knowing beforehand, a Perry Mason tactic. But what can one expect from a man of such thorough disrepute? Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:43 PST 1996 Article: 89522 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Shaw's THE DEVIL'S DISCIPLE Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:56 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <32c45f8f.308629831@news.micron.net> References: <59s10a$oe1@explorer2.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 25 Dec 1996 14:58:02 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) wrote: >The lying, senile coward Matt Giwer, posting as octagon@septa.gon >(Up front), writes is <32b86b96.4571462@news.gte.net>: > >> It leaves other conclusions. One is the opinion George Bernard >>Shaw which is presented for your consideration. > >The well-known Stalinist George Bernard Shaw, who never faltered >in his devotion to the Soviet Union? Is he your font of wisdom? The knee-jerk Soviet atrocity apologist spouts his pap for the edification of the audience. Kurt Stele The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. (Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.) From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:44 PST 1996 Article: 89523 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Now Playing....Irma Grese Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:24 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <32c45f7d.308611387@news.micron.net> References: <59iga4$ro1@explorer2.clark.net> <59j2rk$hr6@juliana.sprynet.com> <59s09d$ng2@explorer2.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 25 Dec 1996 14:45:49 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) wrote: >Joe Belling, hiding under the pseudonym rblackmore@juno.com >(which he allegedly shares with his teenage niece), writes >in <59j2rk$hr6@juliana.sprynet.com>: > >>> And that she correctly evaluated those "rumors" to be correct, and >>> continued in her selections with that knowledge. >> >>Really? When did she tell you this? > >In the testimony which has been posted to this newsgroup about a >dozen times, Joe. Did you miss it? Or are you just too stupid to >understand it? That is the best the knee-jerk Soviet atrocity apologist Flower can do. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:45 PST 1996 Article: 89524 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Mr. Gandhi's "handle" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:21 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <32c45f78.308606669@news.micron.net> References: <59gcth$30v@juliana.sprynet.com> <59hfam$igj@explorer2.clark.net> <32c03868.36421350@news.micron.net> <59s01v$mu3@explorer2.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 25 Dec 1996 14:41:51 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) wrote: >A pathetic little coward named Brian Smith, hiding under the >Aryan Superman pseudonym kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele), >responds to me in <32c03868.36421350@news.micron.net>: > >>>You're quite right, Joe. Van Alstine should be ashamed of himself. >>>All we have is evidence that *you* are an antisemite--we shouldn't >>>slander the leader of the National Socialist White People's Party. >> >>Then prove it. And don't say "because he's a revisionist!" in >>typical knee-jerk fashion. > >Don't have to, Brian. Your friend Joe has proven it himself, to >the satisfaction of anyone with any sense. Knee-jerk Soviet propagandist and atrocity apologist Charles Power shows the world what he can do. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:46 PST 1996 Article: 89525 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: No SS Man Was Ever Punished? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:53:08 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <32c4604b.308817766@news.micron.net> References: <59hhsn$al@explorer2.clark.net> <59hsni$fco@juliana.sprynet.com> <59s0mg$nvg@explorer2.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 25 Dec 1996 14:52:48 -0500, karlpov@explorer2.clark.net (Charles Power) wrote: >Joe Belling, hiding under the pseudonym rblackmore@juno.com >(which he allegedly shares with his teenage niece), writes >in <59hsni$fco@juliana.sprynet.com>: > >>Mr. Power, people would respect you more if you wouldn't play them for > fools by >>distorting comments they are capable of reading for themselves. > >The people whose opinion means anything to me are sufficiently >intelligent to see that I am distorting nothing. >> And you still refer >>to me as a liar about the paques although this issue was settled ages ago. > >The weird thing is that you admitted (as ungraciously as possible) >that you were wrong, and then proceeded to repeat the falsehood. >The issue which you've settled is that you're a liar. > >> The Sack book was indeed 100% accurate in that he faithfully recorded >>the admissions of his subjects. Is that too difficult for you to understand > without >>twisting it any further? > >OK, we'll go over this one more time. > >1) If by saying that AN EYE FOR AN EYE was "100% accurate" you > meant that it "faithfully recorded the admissions of his > subjects", how do you know that it did? You can only assume > that his recording was accurate. I would largely make the same > assumption absent clear proof of the contrary, but I wouldn't > make any assertions about the book's accuracy. So if this was > what you meant, what is your specific evidence that Sack's > narrative faithfully reflected what he was told? Hi. My name is Charles Power. If any sources -against- the Holocaust are presented I immediately discount them as a matter of course. However, should any testimony in favor of the Holocaust be presented before me, no matter how inexplicable or idiotic, I will immediately and reflexively lap it up like a stray dog licking standing water -- but especially all the more so if that testimony comes from the Soviets. (hmm, hmm, good). My approach is ever so simple; in fact it is all I can handle. It also serves me in good stead. That way I can continue to proceed down the merry row of life without the inconvenience or possibility of being considered "politically incorrect" or questioning my preconceived, calcified, and hoary old fallacies. Conveniently, Chucky "Cheese" Power, knee-jerk Soviet atrocity apologist in residence. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:46 PST 1996 Article: 89526 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:06 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 55 Message-ID: <32c45f08.308494014@news.micron.net> References: <59m3o5$hhs@itssrv1.ucsf.edu> <59pkgm$cjv@juliana.sprynet.com> <32c0ca5e.73792997@news.micron.net> <59rrvd$756@access2.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 25 Dec 1996 13:32:13 -0500, mstein@access2.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <32c0ca5e.73792997@news.micron.net>, >Kurt Stele wrote: >>Perhaps the most ridiculous aspect of all of this is how the Germans >>did not at that point in time [the end of the war] simply kill all Jews >>all at once. It is a foregone conclusion the alleged goal was >>extermination. > > My foregone conclusion is that no matter what the goal might have been >in 1941, at the end of the war the actual goal was saving one's own ass. > > One of the most ridiculous aspects of Holocaust deniers is their >one-dimensional view of people's motives. If someone has extermination as >a goal, they can never have any other goal which in any way conflicts with >that goal. Going food shopping in the one hour of free time I have today >"proves" (using "revisionist" logic) that I cannot really want to get a >haircut, because if I had getting a haircut as a goal I would not have >gone food shopping. And similarly, they take the Nazi's desire to use the >Jews as slave labor as proof they did not desire to kill off the Jews. >Another tenet of "revisionist logic" is that if someone has extermination >as a goal at time X, that is their goal forever after and it cannot be >changed. Mike Stein, failing even to reach the threshold of "nice try," gives his best shot at trying to explain why Germans supposedly trying to exterminate Jews would insead keep them alive and even under medical care. Praise the Holohoax! >>The >>Soviets would exterminate prisoners just for the sake of convenience. >>Yet the Germans even for convenience did not wipe out these Jewish >>inmates. > > "The Germans" did not have wiping out the Jews as their goal. Certain >Nazi leaders held that goal. According to Kurt Becher, Himmler ordered >the end of gassing in Auschwitz in late 1944, when it was apparent the end >was inevitable. It would appear that saving ass became the goal of higher >priority. That's funny. The Nazis never referred to extermination by gassing in documents even when it was clear that the "end was not near" and there was no reason not to do so. Since the Nazis supposedly murdered millions of Jews already any surcease would not have "saved their ass" one bit any more than continuing the fictitious program. Looks like you'll have to rest your religion back on eyewitness testimony in contradiction of the weight and absence of physical evidence again. It will be nothing new of course. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:47 PST 1996 Article: 89527 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Yoo hoo, Mike Stein: Care to add up the Holocaust 6 Million Please? Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:04 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <32c45b7f.307589000@news.micron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Mike Stein has repeatedly claimed that despite a 3 million person reduction in the Auschwitz number of Jews allegedly killed, this does not affect the total number of the sacred 6 million. Mr. Stein, please add up the figures. Show the world how the 6 million number is true. I'm waiting... Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:48 PST 1996 Article: 89528 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: incompetant defense council Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:52:58 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 119 Message-ID: <32c45f9c.308642081@news.micron.net> References: <32c1e4ee.122959499@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 02:40:24 GMT, Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) wrote: > Deliberately so. > >======== >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism >Subject: Re: A question for revisionists re: defenses at N'burg >From: ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606) >Date: 26 Jun 1996 20:08:02 -0400 > >In article <4qsd4a$30k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sf924@aol.com (SF924) >writes: > >> >>I am a lawyer and I have a question for revisionists that I have not seen >>answered satisfactorily. This is my first post to this group so please >>excuse me if my comments seem elementary or I misspell names. >> >> At the Nuremburg Trial, 23 (I believe that was the number) high ranking >>Nazi officials were tried including Frank (the head of the general >>government in Poland), Kaltenbrunner, Seyss Inquart ansd Salcal (sic) >>Frank was also alleged to have participated in the Wannsee Conference of >>January, 1942 and the "alleged" exterminations were to take place on >>territory within his jurisdiction. . >> >>All of these men were represented by counsel. How come none of them, not >>even Goring the most defiant of the defendants, alleged that the gas >>chambers were a hoax or concoction of the allies in conjunction with >>Jewish interests. None of these men raised this as a defense. As I >>understand it, the defense of all the defendants was either lack of >>knowledge or fear of disobeying orders. >> >>As a lawyer, if my client was Frank, and I knew the gas chambers were a >>hoax, that fact of that hoax would have been my lead defense. I would >>have aggressively attacked all of the physical evidence as a forgery. I >>would have argued that Zyklon B couldn't kill anyone. I would have >>challenged the photographs. I would have grilled Rudolph Hoess, the >>Auscwitz commandant on cross examination. In short, I would have >argued >>that "It is a hoax!! There were no gas chambers!!" After all, my client >>would have been on trial for his life. >> >>It is extremely telling that this defense was never raised. >> >>As a lawyer, I find it surprising that these principal defendants, on >>trial for their lives, with the most intimate knowledge of the facts and >>within one year or two of the alleged incidents, never even alleged the >>existence of this hoax. Not a single one of them. >> >> > >This is an excellent post and you raise an excellent question. The >fact of the matter is that the defendants generally believed the >stories. (Ref. GM Gilbert, *Nuremberg Diary* > >The introduction of extermination evidence came in several phases. >First, there was the showing of the atrocity film, 11/29/45. (p. 45) >The defendants were shocked, outraged, and claimed no knowledge. On >12/14/45, there was testimony and documents -- including the Stroop >Report -- on extermination in Poland. Again, there was generally no >questioning of the truth of this evidence (which included the >*steaming* to death evidence.) (p. 69f) In January, there was >evidence of mass shootings. No one questioned it then, and no one >does now. When the Russians presented their case, 2/8/46, there was a >change in mood. Namely, skepticism. (p. 135ff) > >At one point, Gilbert, conversing with Goering said, *You can't shrug >off 6 million murders!* -- To which Goering responded, *Well, I doubt >if it was 6 million, but as I have always said, it is sufficient if >only 5 per cent of it is true ...* > >The reaction to the _Soviet_ atrocity film was markedly different. >Goering, for one, considered it phony, with the parts of the corpses >probably played by German soldiers. (p. 162.) > >February 27 and 28 gave the balance of Soviet testimony, namely, on >Auschwitz and Treblinka. (p. 174ff) There is a revealing episode >here. During a break, Dr. Kranzbuhler, Doenitz' attorney, asked him, >*Didn't _anybody_ know _anything_ about _any_ of these things?* > Doentiz shook his head and shrugged sadly. Goering turned >around, *Of course not ...* > >On April 15 there was a climax of sorts when Rudolf Hoess testified. >(p. 264ff) There was initial disbelief, but no one seems to have >thought that he might not be telling the truth. Of course, at that >time, Hoess testified to the gassing of 2.5 million. > >To sum up, the defendants generally believed the testimony. But there >was no point in cross examining because no one at Nuremberg was >convicted on the basis of atrocity stories alone. No one hanged >because of Auschwitz. As a matter of fact, Hoess was only at >Nuremberg to testify in Kaltenbrunner's defense. Bad move. > >The defendants were shown the same film of inmates dead of disease and >malnutrition, and then accepted the rest without question. As have >most of us, most of the time. Because, in the final analysis, Goering >was right. Even if only 5% were true.... > >As Bradley F. Smith points out, *Reaching Judgment at Nuremberg*, the >German lawyers seemed content on focussing on rebutting the accusation >of the Katyn Forest massacre. (p. 107) > >One final point. The defendants in all of these trials were out to >save their lives. They were subject to a number of discovery >restrictions which would not apply in a normal case. They could cross >examine witnesses, but they could not dispute every affidavit. Gee. That doesn't sound like a "fair trial" does it? Kurt Stele >-- Doc Benway > >===== >If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised. >--- >Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures. From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Dec 28 09:13:49 PST 1996 Article: 89529 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!thor.atcon.com!pumpkin.pangea.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Dresden Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 23:53:10 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <32c4609d.308899137@news.micron.net> References: <32c03796.36211592@news.micron.net> <59q2jr$f7b@news.enter.net> <32c20baa.132874834@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p15.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 05:23:20 GMT, Buckaroo@bonsai.organic (Doc Savage) wrote: >On 25 Dec 1996 02:13:15 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: > >>> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes: >>> On 24 Dec 1996 04:49:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >>> > And your basis for saying that is? >> >>> Quit bluffing gutless lying shyster. You haven't filed a thing and >>> you know it. >> >> Are you really telling me the criminal Giwer hasn't told you? >> >> Another sucker heard from. > > You ain'f filed a thing, lying kike shyster. Yale Eideken the criminal kike shyster should be disbarred for his crimes of aiding and abetting criminal fraud. A criminal indeed. Kurt Stele On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members." For those interested in the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert Steinberg at 610-820-3100. Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who prosecuted the Freeman brothers case. Mr. Steinberg will verify that not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman brothers were not members of a formal organization at all. Mr. Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not- NA members. Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members. In the future, I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been discovered as a liar. From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 29 02:12:33 PST 1996 Article: 89686 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: A Nazi discusses war crimes (And response to Chuck) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 05:41:42 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <32c6041c.416306412@news.micron.net> References: <19961211054600.AAA13161@ladder01.news.aol.com> <32b103b2.11320646@news.alt.net> <32b212ff.8941781@news.micron.net> <32b5d61e.69210122@news.micron.net> <32b7a103.6364654@news.alt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p12.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.society.conservatism:66591 alt.politics.usa.constitution:109274 alt.politics.nationalism.white:41167 alt.revisionism:89686 alt.politics.white-power:53883 soc.culture.usa:102485 alt.conspiracy:125587 talk.politics.misc:530885 alt.politics.correct:168394 On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 07:49:08 GMT, rchason@smart.net.NO.SPAM.PLEASE (Lee Jackson Beauregard) wrote: >kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote: > >>Please post the chain of custody and sources for these photographs, >>Danny. Then demonstrate how they evince extermination by gassing. >>Then explain why there were Jewish inmates left behind and still alive >>by the retreating Germans, some under the medical care of Germans, >>since the purported intent was "extermination." > >1) Oh, I see. The Nazischwein left a few Jews alive, so they aren't >responsible for killing all the rest! > >2) What does it matter whether extermination was by gassing, starvation, >overwork, or what have you? > >3) What were the Jews doing in the camps in the first place? What'd they do? > >### NAZISCHWEIN MODE ON ### > >Japanese-Americans yada yada yada... > >### NAZISCHWEIN MODE OFF ### > >"So's your old man" and "I know you are but what am I?" don't cut it. I suppose you also believe the following holocaust canard as well: "It was in 1942 [at Belsen] that the special electrical appliances were built in for mass extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were being led to the bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the building where the floor was electrified in a special way; there they were killed." IMT VII - p.576-577. How does it feel to be among the mighty throng of the duped? Kurt Stele The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. (Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.) From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 29 02:12:34 PST 1996 Article: 89687 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Criminal Giwer Starts to See the Light Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 05:42:09 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <32c60463.416377620@news.micron.net> References: <32c22235.138646353@news.gte.net> <5a2ekn$j98@news.enter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p12.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 28 Dec 1996 06:27:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> the Criminal Giwer fools himself: >> On 25 Dec 1996 02:08:35 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote: >> > The Criminal Giwer having criminally harassed me and my family and >> >lied about consistently, asks for "forgiveness." > >> > Sorry, criminal, when has there even been an apology. > >> Still harrassing GTE? > > No. I'm still putting them on notice of your criminal activities and your >activities and your violations of the user agreement you signed with them. Just like a kike to silence others by trumped-up false charges. > Are you still sending anonymus hate mail to enter.net. > >> When are they going to contact me? > >> I really do want to have that conversation. > > No. You don't. You are just fooling yourself. > > > --YFE The gutless criminal shyster blows more hot air. Kurt Stele "It may be time for the FCC to place a cop on the information superhighway." Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Wiesenthal Center: --Home Office Computing, November, 1994, p. 18. From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 29 02:12:35 PST 1996 Article: 89689 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: For Doc Tavish--Kramer III Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 05:41:54 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <32c6045a.416368625@news.micron.net> References: <59rrvd$756@access2.digex.net> <19961228143500.JAA10900@ladder01.news.aol.com> <5a4jlr$9qu@access1.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p12.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 On 28 Dec 1996 21:05:47 -0500, mstein@access1.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote: >In article <19961228143500.JAA10900@ladder01.news.aol.com>, >Fafner13 wrote: >>"The Germans" did not have wiping out the Jews as their goal. Certain >>Nazi leaders held that goal. According to Kurt Becher, Himmler ordered >>the end of gassing in Auschwitz in late 1944, when it was apparent the end >>was inevitable. It would appear that saving ass became the goal of higher >>priority. >> >>According to Kurt becher? Why should we believe him? > > Other than the fact that he was there, and you were not, no particular >reason. According to the testimony of the Jewess Ben Noud, who converted to Christianity, an old Gentile man in Tripoli was tied up by 4 or 5 jews and hanged from an orange tree by his toes. At the moment when the old man was close to death the Jews cut his throat with a butcher knife and let the body hang until all the blood had been collected into a bowl. (Henri Desportes, Le myst. du sang 91) 1747--- > You believe what "revisionists" write, do you not? Why do you believe >them, despite the fact that they tell so many proven lies (e.g., the >Lachout document)? The discovery of the body of a Christian during the spring thaw in a nearby village was the base of a ritual murder trial in the town of Zaslav in Volhynia. A peasant informed the authorities that the Jews of Zaslav had been praying and feasting the whole night. The Bernardine monks decided thar they were celebrating the murder. The community elders were charged and, (allegedly) under torture, one confessed. The leaders were then executed.....An uninterrupted string of ritual murder charges followed the Zaslav case; for the next 15 years they were an annual occurance." (Anti-Semitisim-Causes and Effects) Philosophical Library, 1983. Kurt Stele "Total 1996 grants, interest and loan guarantees for Israel: $5,505,300.000" (The Washington Report on Middle East Affair, October Issue, page 44). From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Dec 29 02:12:36 PST 1996 Article: 89690 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.micron.net!not-for-mail From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.conservatism Subject: Re: Paranoiac Rage ( was Re: Laughter is the Best Medicine ) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 05:42:15 GMT Organization: Micron Internet Services Lines: 65 Message-ID: <32c60474.416394451@news.micron.net> References: <199612100622.WAA28462@mailmasher.com> <58j86v$jrb@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <58q2qs$l9b$1@gryphon.phoenix.net> <58rrgk$jo0$6@gryphon.phoenix.net> <32B70B4B.4 <32BE4F9F.7119@cais.com> <59ounp$278@explorer2.clark.net> <32C29421.4BB7@cais.com> <59v8vh$g76@explorer2.clark.net> <32C3CB28.1E6A@cais.com> <5a1ldk$fds@explorer2.clark.net> <32c4920e.321558022@news.micron.net> <32c4b069.32301831@news.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cboi032p12.boi.micron.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:53884 alt.revisionism:89690 alt.politics.nationalism.white:41168 soc.culture.usa:102486 alt.conspiracy:125588 alt.society.conservatism:66592 On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 05:33:58 GMT, premed@itated.ued (Doc Tor) wrote: >On Sat, 28 Dec 1996 09:25:45 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van >Alstine) wrote: > >>In article <32c4920e.321558022@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt >>Stele) wrote: >> >>[Stuff about the convicted spy Pollard snipped] >> >>> Pollard was Jew traitor. Any other questions you want answered >>> traitor-apologist? >>> >>> Kurt Stele >> >>I'm _so_ glad you asked, Mr Smith! To whit: >> >>Mr. Smith, as plain as day, in article <32b737e5.89408064@news.micron.net> >>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) you wrote: >> >>"The US was destroying German vessels on the high seas before 1939 to >>provoke Hitler into a war." >> >>You have subsequently repeated this very same lie on several occasions and >>I have repeatedly challenged you to a little wager to substantiate it. Of >>course you, having a yellow streak a mile wide running down your >>backsides, have refused. In fact, you have blatantly (and badly) lied >>about making your (above) assertion while furiously backpeddaling away >>from it. >> >>Now, Mr. Smith, my question to you is: >> >>I take it that your furious backpeddaling and lying about what you wrote >>is your way of admitting that you _are_ indeed a cowardly little Nazi shit >>who is running away from my challange to you? >> >>For those interested in proof of National Alliance member Brian Smith's >>(aka "Kurt Stele") rabid anti-Semitism, pathological Nazi apologia, >>puerile lies, and that he possses an IQ of a fence post (not to mention a >>sewer mouth) please visit: > > It is good to see that kike-mouth agrees that between 1939 and 1942 >FDR was provoking war with Germany despite his public statements >during his 1940 re-election campaign that he was intent upon keeping >the US out of the war. > > Saw ian interersting documentary yesterday covering the >construction of an plant for the manufacture of munitions for the >British in1940 Pennsylvania. There is no more clear violation of >neutrality than that. > > > >-- Doc Tor I do hope Von Alstink continues to confirm further how the U.S. sought war with Germany before 1940. Kurt Stele ===== If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised. --- Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.

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