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From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Nov  2 09:31:13 PST 1996
Article: 78250 of alt.revisionism
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:

>: I have already posted the law by which Rabbis dictate who can be imprisoned for a
>: misdemeanor for selling improperly prepared kosher foods, 

>: in which a state law enforces a
>: religious standard which only Jews can determine.  

>Horse manure, Spiel.  You must really be dumber than a stump.  Evidence is
>taken by a court of law and the matter is decided either by a judge or a
>jury.  

A judge does not know what kosher is.  Even the Jews do not what kosher as they have
several conflicting definitions.  The law itself is vague as well as being an
unconstitutional entanglement of Church and State.  The Jews alone have state laws to
criminally prosecute violations of their religious customs according to standards they
alone dictate.  

Kurt Stele



From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Nov  2 12:28:39 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

># Nope!  There existed certain SS officers who were
># executed SOLEY on the basis of mistreating Jewish
># inmates alone.

Mr. Baron has already posted the evidence of SS being executed by Germans for anti-Jewish
excesses.  Also, Konrad Morgen testified over 200 Germans were convicted for mistreating
Jewish inmates, and a few commandants were even executed.  This totally gives the lie to
extermination.  Sorry, Keren.  You're little hoax is falling apart.  Maybe afterwards you
can fund the murders of Palestinian children with your OWN Jewish money, instead of using
that of Americans, no?

Kurt Stele

The Holocaust is a funny thing..
When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!







From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Nov  2 12:28:40 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month 4)]
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>  
>>  In my state nearly all Sundays laws have been struck down as a violation of 
>Church and
>>  State.  The only ones remaining are only because they are not challenged.  "God" 
>is a
>>  religious neutral reference accepted by virtually all religions.  Only JEWS get their
>>  specific religious laws enforced by state law in obvious violation of Church and 
>State.

>	Actually most "blue laws" have fallen because of Supreme Court case 
>known as the "Two Guys" (the name of the store that challenged it) Case.  It is the 
>only major Supreme Court case that came out of Lehigh County.   The local bar 
>association has a presentation on the case every few years.  All of the lawyers who 
>argued the case take part with one notable exception.  The Jewish lawyer who 
>represented "Two Guys" is not there.

>	As an ardent supporter of the National Alliance, perhaps "Stele" will tell us 
>why.


Oh!  Here's Yale the Liar!   Back so soon?   You want to tell MORE lies about the National
Alliance like the one you told that the convicted Freeman brothers were NA members?  Lying
to the goyim, eh?  Keeping up the ancient Jewish tradition!

Kurt Stele



From kurtstel@micron.net Sat Nov  2 12:28:41 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

><*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
><+[Re: Nazis: The Next Generation] [26 Oct 96 05:51][*][0]*>


> KS> If persecution justifies Jews concealing their names then the
> KS> same rule applies to revisionists.

>No.

Yes.

Kurt Stele



From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Nov  4 06:14:22 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: One More Time: Holocaust Proof
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Greg Raven  wrote:

>Interesting description of the introduction of gas in a delousing
>chamber, but unfortunately this contradicts so-called testimonies of how
>the Zyklon B was introduction into the alleged homicidal gas chambers.

>We know the delausing chambers existed, and we know how they functioned.
>We are still awaiting proof of the existence of a Nazi gas chamber for
>homicidal purposes.

You'll be waiting a long time then.  The Holofraud has made far too large of a cash
fortune to voluntarily show its hand to the public.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near  Auschwitz "in such a
way that there was no trace left of them." IMT  blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June
21, 1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Nov  4 09:23:26 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Stele's amazing recall of my posts from months ago...
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>> However, I have no apologies regarding Mrs. Ahlf's exaggerations regarding the original
>> Charles Lingbergh post in which Mrs. Ahlf claimed Hitler's goal was to "enslave and
>> destroy the other races"

>Well, since Hitler's _Mein Kampf_ doesn't illustrate Hitler's intentions
>to you, how 'bout another quote from a Hitler?  

>This time an Adolf Hitler speech:

>"Once I am really in power, my first and foremost task will be the
>annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will
>have gallows built in rows- at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example -as
>many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately,
>and they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As
>soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so
>on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated.
>Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all
>Germny has been completely cleansed of Jews."

Look at how stiff and robotic the quote is:  "When I get into power the first thing I am
going to do is annihilate Jews."   LOL!    At any rate, there is no paper trail for any
such order from Hitler.   Please provide one.   Surely, if this was Hitler's goal it would
have been in writing.  Also it would have been in the NDSAP platform.  

>Fleming, _Hitler and the Final Solution_, p.17.

Always "eyewitness testimony" testimony is given.  Never a credible document provided.

>Now, granted in this translation Hitler doesn't exactly use the word
>"destroy,"  but the "my first and foremest foremost task will be the
>annihilation of the Jews" phrase comes pretty close, wouldn't you say?
>I think most people would agree that a call for "annihilation" of a race 
>of people is about as close to calling for their destruction as one can
>get.  But what means are you going to deny the validity of this quote?
>You certainly can't soften the interpretation of "annihilate" as much as
>you tried to soften the interpretation of "by the sword" in my last
>quotation of Hitler.

Anyone can fabricate quotes, Mrs. Ahlf.  Please provide the documentary paper trail.  I'm
sure it will be no problem for you.

>> and that Germany was "an aggressive threat to the U.S" as she still has
>> not produced support for either of these points.

>As you have said, one of Hitler's stated goals was to 'unify the white
>race.'  By the time Germany declared war on the US, Germany had invaded
>virtually *all* of the 'white' nations of Europe.  About the only 'white'
>nations left for Hitler unify were located in North America. Germany
>and the US had been locked in open battle on the sea as Germany threatened
>and attacked our merchant ships resupplying our allies in England.  These
>facts are certainly *evidence* that Germany posed "an aggressive threat to
>the U.S", and your insistent denials do not constitute counter evidence. 

No more than the Soviet Union posed an aggressive threat to the U.S. by invading several
countries with the intent of occupying them indefinitely.  Hitler invaded to secure
military outposts against the Allies forces which were going to attack.   This does not
prove Germany was an aggressive threat to the U.S. 

>> Sure.  All I would have to prove is that Giwer won ONE argument.  See
>> how when you exaggerate you make an ass of yourself?  

>Go ahead, prove that "Giwer won ONE argument."  Even if you tried, I would
>most likely disagree and then we're back to square one.  This is an
>obviously insoluable issue, and that's the reason why your insistence that
>I "prove" this issue has made an "ass of yourself", and not out of me.

Asserting exaggerative opinions as facts only makes asses of the person stating it:  in
this case you.   

>> As I said be fore and say again Mrs. Ahlf:  You are the perfect
>> representative for the Lie of the Holocaust.    Low on facts and
>> evidence, high on schmaltz!!

>I may be "low" on facts and evidence, but you have been totally devoid of
>it so far in this debate.  Where's your evidence?  You've made some pretty
>broad statements in the past, but every time I press you for hard evidence
>you defer by saying that you owe me no evidence until I prove my own case
>to you.  If you had such evidence and chose not to use it, you'd be making
>a huge debating blunder.  On the other hand, if you do not have such
>evidence, you'd be doing the only thing you can by defering...

We can go into every claim one by one as soon as we resolve the first ones.  This is
logical and efficient.  

>> >You see, Mr. Stele, *I* have no faith in history so I interpret the
>> >historical record critically.  *You* on the other hand, have faith in your
>> >racist ideology so you interpret the historical record through the prism
>> >of your racist ideology.  
>> 
>> Crap! 

>Do you really believe these mono-syllabic exhortations add credibility to
>your argument?  I hope so  :-)

You make so many observations about my credibility.   You are evidently worried.  How
flattering!

>> The Holocaust either stands or falls on its own merits regardless of the
>> feelings, beliefs, or shoe size of anyone. 

>That is the holocaust is accepted by everyone as fact with the exception
>of the racist fringe, of which you are archetypal.

LOL!  Oh, how you wish that were true, Mrs. Ahlf!  Then again, as you are a typical
Holocauster yourself, doubting the Sacred Holocaust Lie is per se evidence of someone on
the "racist fringe!"  

How simplistic you are, Mrs. Ahlf.

>> There are holes in the  Holocaust you could march an army through. 

>I've been reading alt.revisionism for months now and so far the deniers
>have established no holes.  They are as non-existent as your marching
>army.

Cremating the number of bodies alleged by the Holocaust would have produced over 250
million pounds of ashes.  Where are those ashes, Mrs. Ahlf?  Since you have just asserted
the revisionists have uncovered NO HOLES (your words).  

>> That is why they have to ban revisionism in Germany and France (and soon
>> 3England).

>Yet here in America your ideology is tolerated and allowed, and you fair
>no better.  I can't speak for the censors in Europe, but the truth has
>nothing to fear for the untruths of which you speak.

LOL!   Yeah.  SURE.
 
>> Again the impotent recourse to newsreel footage. Masses of bodies a
>> Holocaust does not make, Mrs. Ahlf.  

>You admit there were "Masses of bodies."

WOAH!  Holocaust "sleuth" Kimberly Ahlf just cornered me!  I give up!  The Holocaust
happened!  Masses of bodies automatically proves "extermination by gassing"! (snicker)

>> There were huge epidemics of typhus as you know or should know. 

>"Huge epidemics" would certainly apply death on a very large scale.

How does this prove extermination by gassing?

>> There is no physical evidence for extermination by gassing.  

>I've never mentioned gassing.  The people knowledgible in the technical
>aspects of the holocaust are much more adept at exposing your falacies on
>the gassing issue than I could ever be, so I have deliberately left it out
>of my argument.  If you want to talk about it, go to the thread "Porrous
>Pillars..." etc..

READ:  I don't know what I'm talking about.  All I do is just gibber the same old
Holocaust Line like a Pavlovian dog.  

Gee!  What a wonderful way of refuting!   Supporting one's positions with references to
others inability to support the same position.   Kimberly Ahlf cites "holohugger" posts as
primary sources!!  LOL!

>> The entire fish tale has been spun out of the contradictory estimony of
>> so-called eyewitnesses and the completely worthless testimony of
>> tortured German prisoners.   

>What were all those millions of people doing in so many hundreds of camps.
>Labor?  I thought you said the nazis had no intention of "enslaving"
>peoples.

Yes, Labor.  Labor was adopted as a temporary measure for the further goal of eventually
settling Jews both to the East and in Palestine.  

>And why did they continue to transport people to the known locations of
>"huge typhus epidemics" and almost certain death ("destruction")?

The Germans attempted to keep typhus under control, and usually succeeded, through the use
of Zyklon B. 

>> Yeah, sure.  And that is why even LEFTIST papers in France are now 
>> admitting the Holocaust is a LIE.

>I don't really consider the Leftist and communist presses of Europe to be
>a reliable source of historical information.

Well, gosh, Mrs Ahlf I don't find typical, establishment sources containing the same old
Holocaust biases, as reliable sources of historical information either!
 
>Your answer to my assertion was that Lindbergh was duped by a
>Jewish-inspired "Lie."  That was assertion number two on this thread, and
>an assertion you have presented no evidence to support.

See Irving's _Hitler's War_ .   See Matt Giwer posts, 1995-1996 (snicker!)

>It would appear that your insistence that we provide evidence in the order
>of our respective assertions would indicate that I have presented evidence
>out of turn.  So, in the interest of following your rules of conduct, I
>should wait for you to present you direct evidence of this lie.

See above.
  
>> It reflects your continued exaggerating quite accurately.

>Opinion, opinion, opinion.  -  just doesn't carry a lot of thought...

Neither do your opinions.
 
>> >Your denials, on the other hand, are quite concrete.  You *say* newsreels
>> >or other documentary evidence is faked - so they are.  
>> 
>> No.  That is not what I said.  Please read it again.  

>I read it again.  You say the bulldozed bodies represent people killed in
>"huge typhus epidemics."  So you're not denying the camps were places of
>terrific death?

Not normally no.   They normally were NOT places of "terrific death"!

>Yeah, I've seen you try to defend your position that Hoes is the
>cornerstone of holocaust history.  I suggest anyone interested review the
>threads with "Hess" in their title.

Pfffft!!   Good one, Mrs Ahlf!  You really got me there!

>> The Wannsee Protocol.

>This isn't how evidence works.  You have to quote the passage that states
>that evacuation is "CLEARLY what was occurring," just like I did when I
>quoted Hitler's goal to "annihilate" the Jews at the top of this post.

See Matt Giwer's posts 1995-1996 (LOL!!!!)
 
>Let's see how your plea of coincidence stacks up to the record of the
>debate:

>Your comment appeared on this thread when it was titled "Re: Hero Charles
>Lindbergh [etc...]", posted to alt.rev on October 16th as follows:

>-----------

>[excerpted]

>> Sure.  Let's go back to that original thread.  You got a pen?  You can
>> begin writing down all the thing I asked from you that you have
>> imcompetently failed to produce, but your trip to the library.

>-----------

>No, your sentence got a little disjointed, but you are definitely
>referring to a previosly mentioned "trip to the library," not making some
>coincidental statement about libraries.  How could you have made this
>reference if you had not read the original post as you claim?

(Yawn).   I asked you to make a trip to the library because a library is a good place to
find stuff like books and sources, Mrs. Ahlf.

>What you are saying here is that you changed the question because when I
>answered it you decided you should have stuck with a different question.
>This is certainly a strange ethic.  The proper thing for you to have done
>would be to concede the point and then explain how you think it is
>irrelevant, *not* to misrepresent the point by altering the original
>question to one that you feel is more relevant.

Not really.   Asking more than one question for an issue is not uncommon at all.
 
>Yes, and that intuitively understood fraud is the attempt by
>ideologically-driven racists such as yourself to deny the facts in order
>to propogate your racist ideology.  Rest assured, everyone knows that you
>people try to deconstruct holocaust history not because of some commitment
>to historical accuracy, but rather because the Jewish holocaust is a very
>difficult obstacle for you to overcome in your endeavor to vilify the
>Jewish people and sanctify the 'white' race.

Turgid, self-righteous pablum!

>> You have no physical evidence for the Holocaust. 

>No, just photograph, films, German transportation records, concentration
>camp documents, live and recorded testimony from Jews, Gentiles and Nazis
>who were there.  True, I don't have this evidence in my possession, but I
>have been to the historical sites such as Dachau, personally talked with
>witnesses, viewed reproductions of the photographic and documentary
>evidence, and listened to the learned opinions of scholars.  The deniers
>can only offer the explanation that the gas chambers were really used
>exclusively for de-lousing and all the other evidence is part of a huge
>'world-wide jewish conspiracy' to misinterpret what was supposedly just an
>accident of disease and famine.

None of these provide physical evidence to prove extermination by gassing ever occurred.

>> It is a piece of lying bullshit.  Very plain.  Very simple.

>The above sentence is essentially the meat of 'denial' theory.

More of Kimberly Ahlf's wishful thinking!
  
>So the _Mein Kampf_ call to remove the Jews "by the sword" is too easily
>explained-away by you.  How do you explain-away the 1922 Hitler quote I
>provide at the top of this post in which Hitler calls for the
>"annihilation" of the Jews?  He suggest public hangings throught Europe on
>as many gallows as can be practically erected.  Is that close enough to
>the term "destroy?"

It isn't close at all if the quote was forged.  How easy is it to forge a quote?  Quite.
Please provide the ACTUAL document where this came from.

>> Bulldozing is what you present to prove extermination by gassing.

>Actually, I've never mentioned "gassing."  If Hitler chose to destroy the
>Jews by transporting millions of them to the location of known typhus
>epidemics it is destruction none-the-less.

The issue is at best debatable as Germans used Zyklon B for saving inmates lives, which
they would have let die had they wanted to exterminate them.  At any rate, transporting
Jews into labor camps does not prove "extermination by gassing."

>> Err, right.
>> 
>> >> Pathetic piece of garbage that it is.  
>> 
>> >Such statements as these, which you are prone to, have the strong
>> >appearance of "broad exaggerations."  Using the same standard of debate
>> >you have used with me in this Giwer-loses-every-debate issue, why don't
>> >you set about trying to prove these assertions of yours?  Are they just
>> >your opinion?

I notice you love to keep large passages of past exchanges between us in the next posts.
You probably like tp pad your line total for a post because it makes your post seem
bigger!   Dreadfully boring, however.

>> I have done so and will continue to do so.  

>Really  Where is your evidence, your citations or invocation of known
>historical events?  So far all you have cited is "the Wansee protocol"
>without actually quoting the excerpt from it that supports your claim that
>the Germans wanted merely to evacuate the Jews elsewhere.

See Matt Giwer's posts 1995-1996!   You give holohugger posts as proof, I can certainly
cite Giwer.   

>It was used as evidence.  I saw a transcript of it once a long time ago
>and it was obvious top me then, just as it was explained by Edeiken
>recently, that Jackson was ridiculing the fanciful statements of one of
>the witnesses.  The quote is true, your representation of it is a
>distortion.

I find it quite significant that the "Holocaust" witnesses which gave testimony on gassing
also gave testimony on evaporation devices, steaming, and electrocution:  all of which
have been quietly dropped.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Leave poor old Greg Raven alone. The guy is still in mourning
>over Hitler.

>See what he wrote about his hero on GEnie:

>much, as we can see>
> 
> Category 15,  Topic 4
> Message 33        Fri Mar 13, 1992
> G.RAVEN                      at 03:02 EST
> 
>My only concern is in going after the facts. As such, I am not 
>interested in defending Adolf Hitler to my dying breath. I will say,
>however, that he was a great man ... certainly greater than
>Churchill and FDR put together, and possibly the greatest leader of 
>our century, if not longer. This is not to say that he was perfect, 
>but he about the best thing that could have happened to Germany.

>

That is because Mr. Raven realizes the crappy little Hoax called the 'Holocaust" which
Jews promote for more $$$$ is a Lie, and has analyzed Hitler in light of facts not the
industry superstitions.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 





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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>Mr. Wolf,

>You have my deepest respect and admiration for openly posting your message
>in a forum that will very likely bring you scorn from many of the people
>who will read it here on the alt.revisionism newsgroup.

Whatever.  

>Rest assured, most of us who defend the true historical record of the
>holocaust against the 'holocaust-deniers' consider the Nazi's murder of 12
>million people to have been a 'human' crime that happened to have been
>committed mainly by Germans.  

Actually, the "Holocaust" Hoax is a lie perpetrated by Allies and the Jews which provided
a nice cash-cow for the Israeli state. 

>We recognize that whatever role German
>culture played in perpetrating that crime has been and is being rectified
>by Germans of today such as yourself.  We also know that every nation
>and every culture has perpetrated 'crimes against humanity' at some point
>in the past.  All nations and cultures remain capable of perpetrating
>such crimes in the future.  We all, not just the Germans, have a
>responsibility toward ensuring that whatever bigotries and ingnorance
>still exist in our national cultures are exposed and marginalized.

When the Holocaust Hoax is considered and the Germany slate is corrected, the Israelis
treat the Palestinians far worse.

>That is why most of us activly refute the holocaust deniers, neo-nazis and
>racists who populate our newsgroup.  That is why we, like you, hold our
>responsibilities to the 'human race' above all others.

You are a deluded liberal boob full of mindless and mushy brain-dead bullshit.

>For every one message you may get belittling your commitment to humanity,
>there are onehundred million souls who owe you a debt of gratitude.

Oh.  How righteous you are, Mrs Ahlf.   

One thing worse than a Hoax proponent:  one who self-indulgently waxes maudlin over it.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>>Why would these "corpses" be carried from 
>>one "morgue" to another, Mr. Allen? 
>    Leichenkeller 2 was a working room 
>where the corpses were undressed, searched.
>Leichenkeller 1 was kept cooler for dead storage.

Imagine Leichenkellers being used as Leichenkellers!    That COULDN'T have been so!  We
know everything the Germans did was only "code word" for something else.  (Those wily
Germans).  Why it had to have been so!  Otherwise, the Holofraud simply won't SURVIVE if
ordinary uses aren't replaced with extraordinary and irregular ones.  

Never mind there is no physical evidence for these irregular and patently absurd claims.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>Mark Van Alstine wrote 01 Nov 1996

>     HERDING PEOPLE INTO AN UNDERGROUND SHOWER

>>Not too hard when armed soldiers 
>>with attack dogs are doing the herding.

Why were "unacceptables" shipped and then "gassed."  Certainly they could have been shot
and processed on site and then the rest transported.  Shipping unaccaptables to be merely
gassed is ridiculously inefficient.  

> How do you reconcile your description which emphasizes
>force with the above actual survivor eyewitness accounts 
>which clearly state that the victims were tricked into the
>gaschamber?  

There is no HOPE of reconciling these contradictions.  Only a sleazeball Nizkor
jack-in-the-box like Van Alstine would even ATTEMPT such prevaricative contortions.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 

  




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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>    Mechanical systems break down, fan belts, rotors,
>widgets.  Especially new, untested ones.  Nobody would
>put a new expensive, untested system in when they
>had a working  existing system.
>D. Keren's suggestion of a barn with two or three doors
>is a simple logical idea which existed (SHM) at Birkenau
>prior to December 1942 in the form of "the Bunker".
>Do you remember that the Bunker could "handle"
>2,500 victims at a time?  More than Krema II.  
>Why build a SMALLER gaschamber, Mark?

Don't ask cogent questions to Mr. Van Alstine.  It will send him into yet another paroxysm
of pseudo-scientific rodomontade.  The poor pathetic chap has enough problems to worry
about keeping his story straight of all those self-contradictory "eyewitness" accounts
which also claimed Germans used steaming, electrocution, and vaporization devices to kill
Jews, all of which have proven too ridiculous to defend even for the likes of Mr. Van
Alstine.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
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DAN   wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>> 
>> Gee, do you think the Talmud causes the Israelis to torture Palestinians and shoot
>> Palestinian children in the head with Uzis?   Let's see how good Andrew Mathis' reading
>> comprehension is, shall we?

>Don't believe to arab propaganda,Kurt.
>I served in Gaza couple of years ago,and remember tens of 
>palestinians throwing bricks from 6-8 meters and my officer
>asking by walkie-talkie to use fucking shock-grenade(nobody even talked about 
>shooting).
>So stop talking about things you don't know nothing about.

Oh yes!  Your experience in the Gaza strip really refutes torture being used against
Palestians, "DAN."   I guess you "learned" just enough to be innoculated into an
ignoramus.

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time, shackling them
in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in tiny chairs or closet-like
cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in
their clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with
loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling those
held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."


[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]



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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>>Who is in charge of producing Kosher foil?  Can we sneak it into the
>>goyim foil stockpile?

>I was, but I got caught.  Foiled again!

You probably find kosher tin foil sensical.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 




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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:

>After YFE wrote:
>> lost when you complain.  Face it, Lyin' Al, you just like to use racist slurs 
>> because it makes you feel good.

>You're telling me I have no right to use what you term an "ethnic slur"? On
>whose authority you obnoxious little kike? What makes you so special that
>you can dictate what other people have a right to do? One reason I like that
>sort of strong language is because it sorts the wheat from the chaff. It's what
>is referred to as calling a spade a spade, and it is something that people of
>all races and backgrounds generally appreciate.

Get DOWN!

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>Very well saod, Mr. "Stele."
 
>Let's not forget what ELSE you've said:

>>I think the jewish claim about the pyramids is yet -another- hoax.
>>
>>The jewish aversion to manual labor is proverbial.
>>
>>The nazis tried to change that, in the labor camps.
>>
>>Maybe that is why the labor camps were melodramatically called "death
>>camps" by the -millions- of people who survived them:  the thought of
>>doing manual labor was simply horrifying to them.
>>
>>Kurt Stele

I do not mind you quoting some of my best stuff but you still have not refuted that Jewish
representation in manual labor and blue collars jobs is the lowest of any group.

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).



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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>>while Krema V's furnace was
>>modified and returned to service. 

>     Actually, this is an overstatement.  Pressac feels
>that the operation of Krema V is uncertain but
>makes a guess that 15,000 were cremated in it
>in 1943.  
>      Thus, there is a two or three month period in
>1943 when:
>    Krema I was abandoned, permenently 
>    Krema II was out of service,
>    Krema III was not yet complete,
>    Krema IV  was abandoned, permenently 
>    Krema V may or may not have been working.

>All this is very odd if your believe in Exterminationist
>theories.  It proves exactly what I have asked before,
>Why build millions of RM worth of crematoria which
>break down when you have the proven Treblinka 
>"pit method" to use for free????  

Van Alstine provides nothing but typical evasive dribbling on this point.  The point
remains as another refutation to the fraudulent claim of non-stop crematory use.
  
>    In the alternative, if Crematoria were so important,
>why abandon Krema I and IV?

>>According to Topf "it is not harmful to operate the 
>>incinerators day and night, if required, since the fire 
>>clay lasts longer when an even oven
>>temperature is maintained." 
>>(cf. Czech, _Auschwitz Chronicle_, >pp.71-72.)
>  
>Mark, please read what Pressac writes on page 379 of
>Technique about the summer of 1943:
>Kr.II had to be shut down with a damaged chimney,
>IV was completely out of service and V had its furnaces 
>and/or chimney burnt out.
>On page 386 Pressac writes: Krematoriam IV
>had been in operation for one or two weeks...
>1. The furnace was starting to crack.

Gee!   Well that throws the "night and day crematory operation" claim of the Holofraud
straight on its ass!

>In short, exactly what I said.  
>Czech and  _Auschwitz Chronicle_ is wrong. 
>Overuse of the
>Krema (not even continual use but 140 hours straight)
>will and did destroy the Krema.  It did it with THREE
>of the FOUR Kremas when they first started opperation.
>Were the Kremas REBUILT????  NOOOO.  
>Krema II and III were just operated according to 
>schedule, ie. shut down regularly.  

"The strain on the furnace was collosal!" at only 140 hours straight.   So much for
"endless crematory use."  And so much for the grandiose Holocaust claims about the
"non-stop use of ovens".  Poor "holocaust" dupes like Van Alstine can only attempt to
explain the irregular and the unlikely with naught more than baseless speculation.  No
sale.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 




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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <55kjvg$npo@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:
>> 
>> >The question boils down to how long can a furnace
>> >be run continually.  The Exterminationists MUST
>> >believe in long or continous runs-Revisionists 
>> >probably expect short runs of two days or less.
>> 
>> And if there are no long runs:  the Holocaust claims crumbles.  
>> 
>> >This argument avoids the basic point:
>> >The Leichenkeller are inherently a contradiction 
>> >to the idea of continous cremation (and therefore mass 
>> >extermination).  
>> 
>> Exactly.  This is an obvious point, one from which the public can draw
>the obvious conclusion.  You have adeptly used Mark Alstine's myriad of
>purely speculative polemics as mere soundboards for several revisionist
>points that an objective person can find compelling.   Excellent job, Mr.
>Allen.

>Indeed! A most excellent job! (And it _is_ Mr. Allen's job, it seems.)
>Truly, I would be hard pressed to find a better denier to match my wits
>against! Though, come to think of it, considering the "quality" of Mr.
>Allen's "arguments," I suppose the three-stooges could fill in....

Your posts are simply the same old lies with with slightly more pseudo-scientific
posturing, from the same old bogus sources, several layers of lies removed from the
original ones, and elaborated even beyond that.  You are continually given simple
questions which you try to drown out in a heap of pretentious rubbish, with your specious
charts and speculations to explain the idiotic.  You are a third rate hack, actually dumb
enough to believe your superficial twaddle can indefinitely prevent detection of the
immanent absurdities in the Holocaust Lie, those which your elaborate goobledy-gook
studiously fails to account for.  You try to make the Lie true through elaborate bluster,
making sculptures from horse manure.  Nice hoax ya got going there Van Alstine.

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time, shackling them
in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in tiny chairs or closet-like
cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in
their clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with
loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling those
held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."


[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]



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notthisis4@forgery.dot (NotThisis4 Aforgery) wrote:

>Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>>Thanks for your support, but I'd rather Mr. Stele continue with his
>>ludicrous insistence that I provide 'proof' of my opinion while he
>>continues to evade his promise to provide proof of his facts.

>>I claimed Matt Giwer lost every debate he ever engaged in.  I submit as
>>evidence the archived record of every debate Matt Giwer ever engaged in
>>(to conserve space I'll refer those wishing to review this evidence to
>>consult the Nizkor site which contains this archive.)  I hold that this
>>evidence "proves" my opinion.  Mr. Stele is free to indicate exactly where
>>this evidence does not support my opinion.  Granted, Mr. Stele and I are
>>highly unlikely to reach any consensus on the interpretation of this data.

>	So you are a llar.  So what else is new?  You have no value and no one loves
>you.  So what else is your problem?  

>	Jews hate you.  And you know that.  

Hah hah!

Kurt Stele

Read the information holohuggers fear
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE
Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information





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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:
> 
>>  >Actually, "kurt,"  all the law says is "if you claim it on your product it 
>>  >must be true."  So this "kosher" law is actually just a form of truth in 
>>  >advertising law, which has NOTHING to do with religion at all.  
>>  >For example, were we to package your brain for sale it would be illegal to 
>>  >label it "high grade" or "prime" because that would be lying.  
>  
>>  It is a state law enforcing a religious standard which Jews only may dictate the
>>  definition of.  Only Jews have specific state laws for their religion which they 
>control a
>>  subjective standard.

>	About time you learned the truth, Stonehead.  The majority of those who 
>keep kosher in the U.S. are not Jewish nor are kosher laws exclusively Jewish either 
>in their definition or application.

Doesn't matter.  The laws enforce specific Jewish religious laws under a vague standard,
both are unconstitutional and Jews get away with it, of course.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 



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A Gryn  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:
>> 
>> >Give us some evidence, you jackbooted liar.
>> 
>> >--
>> >Buddy K
>> 
>> Been posted.  Catch up!
>> 
>> Kurt Stele

>No it hasn't.

Look again, Alec G.  It's from the Maryland State Code.

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).




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A Gryn  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:
>> 
>> >Give us some evidence, you jackbooted liar.
>> 
>> >--
>> >Buddy K
>> 
>> Been posted.  Catch up!
>> 
>> Kurt Stele

>No it hasn't.

Look again, Alec G.  It's from the Maryland State Code.

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).




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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>	Of course the Germans are the prime wicked parties for the
>Holocaust story but the chief pro-dependents and postscript moralizers
>of the story have expanded the guilt for the alleged events on to
>apply to many others. It now applies to Americans, English, French,
>Hungarians, Canadians, Christians and just about everyone in the
>world. From this we can see that if the story is not true then the
>hate crime is against many.  Millions, hundreds of millions.

The "hate crime" is a Jewish-created definition.  The hate crimes report just came out and
reports that over 60% of all hate crimes are committed against Jews, as compiled by the
ADL.  The definition of a hate crime, however, includes anything considered to be
"offensive."   Since of course, Jews deliberately take offense more than any other people,
being the most vindictive people ("Never forget, Never forgive!), the hate crime stats
reflects Jews being "targetted" the most.

Tom, you should know that you are officially a "hate" criminal according to
ADL-KGB-OGPU-NKVD definitions.

Somebody should tell these Jews to get stuffed.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




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reverend@iinet.net.au (AgamemnoN) wrote:

>I search your archives constantly for some denouncement of NETANYAHU
>and his fascist policies, but alas i find nothing.

Silly goyim.  It is only Jews that count.  That is the essence of the Holofraud in the
nutshell.  That is why Jews get mad when someone uses the term "Holocaust" (TM) for any
other event.  Even the murders of over 20 million Russians isn't called a "Holocaust."  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <5566tf$mbh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>> Yes I have.  Four weeks of slave labor was not worth
>> the price of a train ride from Vilna to Crakow, let alone 
>> from Paris. Throw on the cost of the guards, the camp, 
>> the disinfectant, the security problems and you have 
>> a system that screams "red ink."  

>Really, Mr. Allen? Perchance you forgot to include the value of the
>victims' possesions that were stolen from them by the Nazis? Given your
>uninformed claim that the Nazi pogrom of genocide screamed "red ink," it
>appears so! To whit:

Typical "Van Alstine crap," failing to answer the question specifically of why any Jews
needed to be shipped when on-site gas chambers could have been built.   A lot of writing,
posturing, pseudo-intellectual garbage adding up to a nice flat ZERO.

>And I, Mr. Allen, expect you to do some rudimentary _research_ before you
>blather your idiocy across the 'Net! Obviously, you don't feel such
>obligations as to the _accuracy_ of your claims. Equally as obvious, you
>had no _intention_ of researching the issues in the least. Instead, you
>simply toss out your prejudices and propaganda like long-dead fish for
>sale and hope nobody will notice the stench. 

You're full of shit Van Alstine.  Most posturing, blustering, no substance.

>No. Mr. Allen, as usual, _you_ have "missed" the point:

>"The highest echelons of the SS once estimated the profit generated by the
>average concentration camp prisoner. Based on an average prisoner life
>expectancy of nine months, the profit totaled 1,431 RM (about $654) per
>prisoner after deducting costs of upkeep. The value of money, valuables,
>clothing, personal belongings, and teeth of precious metals reached 200 RM
>($91) after the costs of burning the body had been deducted. Thus
>according to calculations made by the Nazis themselves, the total average
>profit from one prisoner, not including the value of the victim's bones,
>totaled 1,631 RM ($745)." (Gutman, _Anatomy_, p.262.) 

All these still could have been obtained through on-site gas chambers, completely
eliminating the need for superfluous and expensive transportation.  Try again.

>No, Mr. Allen, Mr. McCarthy's "story" is _quite_ consistant. It is
>History. Historians have _consistantly_ agreed, based on the historical
>record, that the Holocaust happened and that some 1 million people, mostly
>Jews, were murdered at Auschwitz. I think you meant to say it is
>_unbelievable_, Mr. Allen. To that I would say as unbelievable as such an
>atrocity was, the evidence that the Holocaust happened, that some 12
>million people were murdered by the Nazis, cannot be refuted by those
>possessing an open mind and a moral conscience.

>Sadly to say, Mr. Allen, you possess neither. That is why you deny the
>Holocaust. 

He denies the Holocaust because it is a cheesy, hokey, contradictory, and nonsensical Lie
without any physical evidence for its claim of extermination by gassing.  No sale, Van
Alstine.    

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 





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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>³It often happened that when the doors were opened too early some of the
>people were still alive. Once, to the horror of the men in the
>_Sonderkommando_, a tiny baby was found still sucking at it¹s mother¹s
>breast. It had probably been sucking all the time and so had not inhaled
>the deadly fumes. S.S. man Wagner was furious. He snatched the baby away
>and threw it into a blazing oven.²

>Hart, _Return to Auschwitz_ (ISBN 0-689-70637-5), p.122-123.

>Mark

Yeeeeah.  Sure.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>>  There are two problems here. Will the Europeans countries be willing to
>> receive so many white Americans and will the white Americans be willing
>> to leave? 

>Which echos the same two problems into your similar racist proposals for
>Denmark.  Will the African nations be willing to accept so many 'blacks'
>and will the 'Black' Danes be willing to go?

Too bad.  What is most important for Whites is the survival of THEIR race.  Africans are
not in danger of being engulfed and eradicated through multiracialism.   White racial
destruction is occurring throughout the world as Whites are forced to live in close
proximity with non-Whites.  They are prevented from organizing as a race because the
Jewish media pumps self-hatred anti-White propaganda  -- of which the Holocaust Lie is the
foundation -- into Whites continually.  

Of course, the genocide of Whites is "OK" with liberal Mrs. Ahlf.  

>> Furthermore the Red Indians are too few to claim that huge territory.

>Actually, those 'red Indians' were perfectly content in this huge
>territory before the Europeans showed up, bringing 'ethnic heterogeniety'
>with them. 

But Israel invading Arab land is OK with you Mrs. Ahlf.  You appear nothing more than an
liberal, muddle-headed Jewish apologist.

>I live near Idaho, have relatives who live there, and have visited the
>state many times.  There are many beautiful people and sights to see
>in Idaho, but culturally, it is a sad lonely place compared to my exciting
>and cosmopolitan Seattle. 

Seattle and multiracial America is a cesspool and the White Northwest is a heaven.  I love
the Northwest.  I grew up in multiracial America.  Now I don't have to lock my doors, or
worry about my car being stolen by non-Whites, or having to pay huge amounts of largesse
to sub-human trash which multiplies at my expense and to the destruction of my way of life
and my descendants.  

I don't have to worry about the huge Black crime rate and living with non-Whites, and all
the problems and friction those entail.   Or having to deal with some snooty, lazy
"Affirmative Action special" up at the counter watching the clock tick by.   As the
result, the crime here is a FRACTION of the crime in non-White places.  And the place runs
smoothly and peacefully --- with efficiency and order.  Society functions many times more
smoothly in homogeny, as anyone with a half a brain and a shred of honesty will admit.   

Because I live among Whites I don't have to wake up reading about Black apes raping and
robbing or rioting nearby, what is typical in Black areas.  The people here are also
happier and healthier, more vibrant, and the place is nicer, than Whites found in
multiracialism.   Being in an all-White area is a pleasure and a privilege fewer can
experience nowadays.  

Kimberly Ahlf is another brain-dead liberal.  

Kurt Stele

"We don't believe in multinational states," said Israeli Labor Health Minister, Ephraim
Sneh. "It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is full of horrifying examples of what
happens in multinational states. Separation is the only way to build a reasonable
co-existence here." 

(Canada's Maclean's magazine for June 10, 1996.) 

Yet Jews and the Jewish media are in the forefront of multiracialism in White lands, a
movement which is destroying the White race.  Evidently, Jews want Whites to suffer racial
destruction, but not themselves. A very typical Jewish hypocrisy, and a deliberate act of
anti-White hatred. 








From kurtstel@micron.net Fri Nov  8 10:57:43 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>DAN (dzappa@netvision.net.il) wrote:
>: > Annie Alpert, OFB wrote:
>: > > 
>: > > I recently had the pleasure of attending a meeting of the National
>: > > Alliance on Sept 20, 1996 in the VFW Hall in Pompton Lakes, New Jersey.
>: > > David Irving was the featured speaker, but I am not allowed to post a
>: > > transcript of his speech on the internet (under pain of lawsuit, per Mr.
>: > > Irving.)  But I can post the transcription of the meeting, since it was
>: > > a public gathering.
>: > 
>: And you also can cram it into your ass.

>Ooooh!  These nazis are SO SMART!  What a stinging comeback!

>Take that, Annie!

It actually reflects the level of Nizkor "Holocaust" drivel quite eloquently.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Allan Matthews (amatthews@cybercom.net) wrote:
>: In article <55m0m3$3o2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>: >Mr. Smith is one person. He uses two userids. Nizkor has not
>: >said otherwise. Poor Mr. Smith... still has reading
>: >comprehension problems.
>: 
>: Where is your proof that Mr. Smith and Mr. Stele are the same person? 

>Mr. Smith screwed up and signed a post from his Smith userid with
>the Kurt Stele handle (see below).  How he can still claim not to
>be Kurt Stele is beyond me, but Nazis never seem to have any problem
>with a lie, no matter how ridiculous.

I told Yale to get an NA member to verify his lie that the Freeman brothers were NOT NA
members.  I did and I posted it.   As it turned out the Freeman brothers AREN'T NA and
Rich Graves and Yale are both lying as usual.

Kurt Stele





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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>The question boils down to how long can a furnace
>be run continually.  The Exterminationists MUST
>believe in long or continous runs-Revisionists 
>probably expect short runs of two days or less.

And if there are no long runs:  the Holocaust claims crumbles.  

>This argument avoids the basic point:
>The Leichenkeller are inherently a contradiction 
>to the idea of continous cremation (and therefore mass 
>extermination).  

Exactly.  This is an obvious point, one from which the public can draw the obvious
conclusion.  You have adeptly used Mark Alstine's myriad of purely speculative polemics as
mere soundboards for several revisionist points that an objective person can find
compelling.   Excellent job, Mr. Allen.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 






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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>> Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:
>> 
>> >> However, I have no apologies regarding Mrs. Ahlf's exaggerations regarding the original
>> >> Charles Lingbergh post in which Mrs. Ahlf claimed Hitler's goal was to "enslave and
>> >> destroy the other races"
>> 
>> >Well, since Hitler's _Mein Kampf_ doesn't illustrate Hitler's intentions
>> >to you, how 'bout another quote from a Hitler?  
>> 
>> >This time an Adolf Hitler speech:
>> 
>> >"Once I am really in power, my first and foremost task will be the
>> >annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will
>> >have gallows built in rows- at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example -as
>> >many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately,
>> >and they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As
>> >soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so
>> >on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated.
>> >Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all
>> >Germny has been completely cleansed of Jews."
>> 
>> Look at how stiff and robotic the quote is:  "When I get into power the
>> first thing I am going to do is annihilate Jews."   LOL!    At any
>> rate, there is no paper trail for any such order from Hitler.   Please
>> provide one.   Surely, if this was Hitler's goal it would have been in
>> writing.  Also it would have been in the NDSAP platform.  

>Note: Primary source is from Joseph Hell in _Aufzeichnung_, 1922, ZS 640,
>p. 5, Institut fu"r Zeitgeschicte.

Citing the "primary source" doesn't solve the problem, Mrs. Ahlf.   If Hitler's first goal
was to exterminate Jews this would have at least been in _Mein Kampf_, or in the NSDAP
platform or at least SOMEWHERE in writing.  Eyewitness testmony solves nothing because it
contradcts other statements and actions by Hitler.  Yet the first thing Hitler did when he
came to power was to begin negotiating with Jews to help them emigrate to Palestine or
Madascar.  Again, the lie of emigration is turned through Nizkook sleight-of hand into
"extermination."  
 
>> >Fleming, _Hitler and the Final Solution_, p.17.
>> 
>> Always "eyewitness testimony" testimony is given.  Never a credible
>> document provided.

>No, I actually quoted Hitler's own book earlier, but you decided that his
>call to "remove" the Jews "by the sword" wasn't a clear enough call to
>"destroy" the Jews, so I have now offered eyewitness testimony from one of
>his early political speeches.  In this speech he advocates the
>"annihilation" of the Jews, a phrase less prone to misinterpretation
>thean "by the sword." You'll notice Hitler's words were recorded
>by the observer in 1922, before any of Hitler's visions for the Jews came
>to pass.

And I noticed you omitted from your quote above Hitler's statement that the hand was "on
the throat."  Removing a hand from the throat is an act of self-defense.  And it is
telling the above quote is ALL you can produce for your claim "Hitler's goal was to
enslave and destroy the other races."    No documents, no orders, no writings.  Quite
shallow research I notice.  Instead you produce the most unreliable form of evidence
possible:   eyewitness testimony.  Eyewitness testimony is trumped by physical evidence or
lack thereof.

Either way, if Hitler's goal was extermination it would have been clearly outlined
somewhere in at least ONE credible document.  Please provide one such document, instead of
continually relying on "eyewitness testimony" the way all Holocaust claims do.  

>> Anyone can fabricate quotes, Mrs. Ahlf.  Please provide the documentary
>> paper trail.  I'm sure it will be no problem for you.

>I've cited the sources of my evidence, Mr. Stele.  You have yet to even
>cite evidence, let alone sources, for your assertions.  Your sole
>contribution to this debate has been to rephrase and reiterate your
>position that I am a "liar."  When will you produce evidence?

Your sole contribution to your position is a completely inconclusive quote from _Mein
Kampf_ and more of that good ole' "eyewitness testimony."  Hitler was also quoted as
saying when the Holocaust lie was first being circulated "Those Jews are lucky all I ask
>from  them is a little manual labor."   This quote completely refutes your quote.

Because the Holocaust has no physical evidence, all it can give is just "eyewitness
testimony" which solves nothing because it contradicts other eyewitness testimony.

If Hitler's intent was extermination of jews and enslavement and destruction of other
races than surely this would appear in a credible document written BY Hitler.  Please
produce ONE such document.

>> No more than the Soviet Union posed an aggressive threat to the U.S. by
>> invading several countries with the intent of occupying them
>> indefinitely. 

>I have not, nor will I, made any defense of the Soviet Union other than to
>point-out that facts that the US was allied with the USSR at the time in
>question, and that the US eventually did confront and defeat the USSR in a
>prolonged struggle known as "The Cold War."

This just proves that occupying other countries is not a per se an aggressive threat.  In
addition, Germany made overtures of peace to Europe offering it the most comprehensive
plan of peace in history.  But the Jewish-guided Allies were determined to crush Hitler
and rejected his overtures.  This has all been posted on "Fascist Continent."  Please
catch up with the forum, Mrs. Ahlf.  

>> Hitler invaded to secure  military outposts against the Allies forces
>> which were going to attack.   This does not prove Germany was an
>> aggressive threat to the U.S. 

>You're saying that Holland, Belgium, France, Denmark, Norway, Italy,
>Greece, etc... were just "outposts" for Hitler's defense?  All of
>these nations were already conquered by Germany when Hitler declared war
>on the US.

You evidently almost as little about WWII as you do the "Holocaust". However, I will give
you a hint:  note that Britain and France declared war on Germany first and Russia
attacked Finland.   Now, go to the library like a good girl and READ.   Note also that the
U.S. authorized its Navy to attack German vessels even before 1939, which they did.  The
U.S. also stationed its marines in Iceland and began full conscription, despite no that
the Germans had no designs on America.  The U.S. also passed the Lend-Lease Act to insure
over $7 BILLION in arms and aid to the Allies.  

>BTW- Germany *did* declare war on the US first.  By most people's
>recckoning, the declaration of war is probably a good signal of aggressive
>threat.

See above.  The U.S. attacked Germany first.  It doesn't matter who officially declared
war first, it is who attacked first.   

>> Asserting exaggerative opinions as facts only makes asses of the person
>> stating it:  in this case you.   

>When are you going to support your assertion that it is "well-known" that
>the Jews were responsible for starting WWI and WWII?

All of this has been posted on the threat Fascist continent in great detail.  Please go to
Deja News and in the future try to keep up.

>> We can go into every claim one by one as soon as we resolve the first
>> ones.  This is logical and efficient.  

>Then why don't we start with the first assertion:  The claim was made that
>Lindbergh was duped into supporting the allied war effort against the
>Germans by a big "Lie."  Where's your evidence of the big "lie?"

The same lie that the Germans were an "aggressive" threat which you espouse.  Either way,
Lindbergh opposed the war and was a racially loyal individual at the time of his quote.
That is all that is necessary for the Lindbergh quote to be valid.

>> >Do you really believe these mono-syllabic exhortations add credibility to
>> >your argument?  I hope so  :-)
>> 
>> You make so many observations about my credibility.   You are evidently
>> worried.  How flattering!

>It's ironic that you should comment on my observation of your own
>credibility, given the fact that you begin every third sentece to me with
>"LOL!," "Liar!", "Crap!" or some other such insightful observation of *my*
>credibility.

Mrs Ahlf, it quite obvious you choose to retain as many of my summary reactions in every
follow-up, in the belief that by doing so you will "make me look bad."  

However, I stand by every statement made above.  Your claim about Hitler and WWII are both
CRAP!  See:  C-R-A-P.  And you  are indeed a "liar" until you can provide some credible
support for your cliches.  There:   CRAP, and LIAR and CLICHES and two words (among
others, cliched-ridden boob, and exaggerator) which I find most applicable to your
assertions.  

Now, if you want to continue to quote me on these points go right ahead.  I will quote
EVERY TIME if you wish for you instead.  Either way.  It matters not to me.  Would you
like me to do that?  I suggest you make a sig. to save bandwidth.  Only a suggestion.   

>> LOL!  Oh, how you wish that were true, Mrs. Ahlf!  Then again, as you
>> are a typical Holocauster yourself, doubting the Sacred Holocaust Lie
>> is per se evidence of someone on the "racist fringe!"  

>Which came first, Mr. Stele- the revisionist's hatred of Jews or
>profession of doubts about the holocaust?

Well, Mrs. Ahlf, it's a long story.  Maybe we can discuss some time over coffee.  

POST the inevitable DECLINE and anti-"Nazi" condemnation HERE --->____________  

>> How simplistic you are, Mrs. Ahlf.

>And yet my simple mind sees right through to your rotten racist core with
>ease.  

Geez!  I guess there is little I can do to convince that I'm really a nice guy.  I guess
we probably can't do that cup of coffee after all.
 
>> Cremating the number of bodies alleged by the Holocaust would have
>> produced over 250 million pounds of ashes.  Where are those ashes, Mrs.
>> Ahlf?  Since you have just asserted the revisionists have uncovered NO
>> HOLES (your words).  

>I live in Washington State where Mt. St. Helens erupted fifteen years ago.
>It spewed several *billion tons* of ash over our state and over the
>region. Today there is hardly a trace to be found of that ash anywhere
>except in the area of the mountain or where piles were trucked in, these
>piles constituting a tiny fraction of the total ash spewed.  Does this
>lack of ash evidence mean that Mt. St. Helens didn't los its top?

No.  However, there is no physical evidence to contradict that Mt. St. Helens didn't lose
its top. The absence of ash is not sufficient as the geophysicist can see from first
glance of topography that a huge explosion took place and pin point the day or week with
accuracy.   In other words, there is physical evidence FOR (the Holocaust lack physical
evidence) and there is no physical evidence AGAINST (there is physical evidence AGAINST
the Holocaust).

By the way, we live fairly near each other.  

>> WOAH!  Holocaust "sleuth" Kimberly Ahlf just cornered me!  I give up!
>> The Holocaust happened!  Masses of bodies automatically proves
>> "extermination by gassing"! (snicker)

>I have never mentioned "extermination by gassing"! (snicker), and the fact
>that you keep mentioning it is yet another example of how you try to
>migrate this debate when the weaknesses of your claims are exposed.

That is good you did not mention "extermination by gassing" because there is no physical
evidence, certainly none which YOU Mrs. Ahlf is capable of marshalling.

>> How does this prove extermination by gassing?

>I don't need to prove ""extermination by gassing" because I've never
>brought that  issue into the debate.  I have, however, brought the issue
>of "destruction" of the Jews into the debate, and transporting millions of
>Jews to the known locations of huge typhus epidemeics (your words) will
>fit that bill just fine.

If that is all you claim that that is not enough.   For years the camps worked fine as
labor camps, fully equipped with hospital medical supplies, and food and water.  In
addition the Germans had thorough measures in place to prevent tyhpus.  If that is what
you claim is "extermination" it is at best "indirect" extermination for which their was no
government order to create and much effort expended to prevent.  Also, then Israel is
responsible for precisely the same behavior as well against Arabs in concentration camps,
and for a far longer period.

Believe me, Mrs Ahlf:  you NEED extermination by gassing if the "Holocaust" is going to
fly.   

>> Yes, Labor.  Labor was adopted as a temporary measure for the further
>> goal of eventually settling Jews both to the East and in Palestine.  
>> 

>So unless you have evidence that the Jews performed this labor willingly,
>then you yourself have just supported my assertion that one of Hitler's
>goals was to "enslave" people.

I never denied these Jews were prisoners.  However, YOU continue to deny the Germans'
avowed goal of ultimately repatriating the Jews to Palestine:  a program which was ongoing
and interrupted only by the War.   The German response was to evacuate them to the East.
The Nizkooks claims (as is typical) evacuation was only "code-word" for "extermination"
although they don't have a SHRED of evidence to prove this, and nothing to offset the
evidence indicating the Germans were not trying to exterminate (e.g., hospitals).   If you
want to reach a truce on enslavement, I have no problem conceding "temporary enslavement"
if you wish.   However, this was not Hitler's "goal" as you claimed.  His goal was
emigration of Jews out of Europe.  And NOWHERE do back up your claim that Hitler's goal
was "enslaving and DESTROYING other races."   

>> The Germans attempted to keep typhus under control, and usually
>> succeeded, through the use of Zyklon B. 

>Killing the hosts is a good method of keeping parasites under control.

Then why send them to hospitals?   

>> See Irving's _Hitler's War_ .   See Matt Giwer posts, 1995-1996 (snicker!)

>I've read many of Giwer's posts.  Like you, he rellies mainly on labelling
>his opponents "liars" or other terms (he gave me the title by which I am
>known, "DUMBBROAD") but rarely, or as in your case, never cites primary
>source evidence supporting any of his claims.  

Again, you make great use of :"quoting epithets," which your side uses with high
frequency, to try to discredit the SUBSTANCE of a statement.  It simply does not follow,
although you are obviously dead-set upon believeing this.  However, you haven't a moral
leg to stand as the Nizkooks throw scatalogical condemnations and other upon Giwer
continually, and worse.

>You're free to cite examples from your fellow holocaust denier,
>David Irving, but passages must include citation of primary sources.  Do
>you have a particular passage in mind to illustrate irrefutable evidence
>of the "Lie?"

I can give you the source from Irving that Hitler never ordered any extermination, which
is what I'm referring to, the point being that Hitler's "goal" was not extermination at
all.

>> >Opinion, opinion, opinion.  -  just doesn't carry a lot of thought...
>> 
>> Neither do your opinions.

>At least we've now established common ground  :-)

True.
  
>> >I read it again.  You say the bulldozed bodies represent people killed in
>> >"huge typhus epidemics."  So you're not denying the camps were places of
>> >terrific death?
>> 
>> Not normally no.   They normally were NOT places of "terrific death"!

>But during the "huge typhus epidemics" epidemics they were?

Perhaps although the Germans issued orders to "HALT" death in the camps "using every means
available"  (Himmler).  This is contra to the claim that the camps were intended for
extermination.

>> >Yeah, I've seen you try to defend your position that Hoes is the
>> >cornerstone of holocaust history.  I suggest anyone interested review the
>> >threads with "Hess" in their title.
>> 
>> Pfffft!!   Good one, Mrs Ahlf!  You really got me there!

>I see you did, however, delete your reference to Hoess :-)

Geez!  Never at a loss for accusing me of "deleting" something with ulterior motive, Mrs.
Ahlf.  You evidently want me to keep EVERY WORD of your past posts intact, even though you
often requote large sections of irrelevant dialogue.  By the way, I posted the excepts
about Hoess (and will repost soon) which reveals that Hoess was brutally tortured and even
admitted he was "assigned" to write his "memoirs."   Clarke boasted openly about his
torture of Hoess.  So big deal!  So the Allies tortured Hoess into signing detailed
confessions which didn't make any sense (Sonderkommando eating and drinking during body
removal).  Why are you fighting that  when it is so obvious Hoess' testimony was coerced.

The only answer:  you are a HOLOHUGGER.
 
>> >[excerpted]
>> 
>> >> Sure.  Let's go back to that original thread.  You got a pen?  You can
>> >> begin writing down all the thing I asked from you that you have
>> >> imcompetently failed to produce, but your trip to the library.

Note:  Why are you quoting these passages AGAIN?  Are you trying to pad your follow-up to
make it "look bigger" on the billboard?

[snip]
 
>> >-----------
>> 
>> >No, your sentence got a little disjointed, but you are definitely
>> >referring to a previosly mentioned "trip to the library," not making some
>> >coincidental statement about libraries.  How could you have made this
>> >reference if you had not read the original post as you claim?
>> 
>> (Yawn).   

>Feigning boredom when caught in a lie really draws on people's sympathies.

How dreadfully boring.  If I didn't see your post then why did I respond to it, Mrs. Ahfl?

>> I asked you to make a trip to the library because a library
>> is a good place to find stuff like books and sources, Mrs. Ahlf.

>You didn't *ask* me too go to the library, Mr. Stele, you refered to
>"...your trip to the library," a reference you could only have made
>through knowledge of the post which you claimed not to have read. If you
>want to claim this occurred due to an astounding coincidence, feel free,
>but don't rewrite your statements when they can be easily retreived from
>the original post.

You evidently are desperate to try to make me out to be a liar.  On God's green earth I
don't know what your are talking about.  But even if true, what does that prove?  That I
saw a post and ignored it?  What if I was busy?  My life is not alt.revisionism, Mrs.
Ahlf.  I have a business to run, and things to do.  

>> >What you are saying here is that you changed the question because when I
>> >answered it you decided you should have stuck with a different question.
>> >This is certainly a strange ethic.  The proper thing for you to have done
>> >would be to concede the point and then explain how you think it is
>> >irrelevant, *not* to misrepresent the point by altering the original
>> >question to one that you feel is more relevant.
>> 
>> Not really.   Asking more than one question for an issue is not
>> uncommon at all.

>Asking further questions is certainly acceptable, but that's not what you
>did.  You deleted your original question, reposted my evidence, posted a
>different question with my evidence and then insisted that my evidence was
>irrelevant to the question.  That's not debating in good faith, if not
>outright dishonesty.

You are the one who ABANDONED my question and I LET it go.  Now you are calling me a liar
for doing so.  Fine.  Next time I will hold you to EVERY assertion you make.   

Jesus, you're desperate for ANYTHING to make me dishonest.  Why don't you just stick to
the your historical assertions?  You have enough problems there as it is.   Again, the
inordinate amount of time you spend trying to attack my credibility is a great compliment
to me.  
 
>> >Yes, and that intuitively understood fraud is the attempt by
>> >ideologically-driven racists such as yourself to deny the facts in order
>> >to propogate your racist ideology.  Rest assured, everyone knows that you
>> >people try to deconstruct holocaust history not because of some commitment
>> >to historical accuracy, but rather because the Jewish holocaust is a very
>> >difficult obstacle for you to overcome in your endeavor to vilify the
>> >Jewish people and sanctify the 'white' race.
>> 
>> Turgid, self-righteous pablum!

>In your opinion, but I stand by the statement and invite any who read it
>to judge my pablum against yours.

Fine!  That is fine Mrs. Ahlf.   

>> >> You have no physical evidence for the Holocaust. 
>> 
>> >No, just photograph, films, German transportation records, concentration
>> >camp documents, live and recorded testimony from Jews, Gentiles and Nazis
>> >who were there.  True, I don't have this evidence in my possession, but I
>> >have been to the historical sites such as Dachau, personally talked with
>> >witnesses, viewed reproductions of the photographic and documentary
>> >evidence, and listened to the learned opinions of scholars.  The deniers
>> >can only offer the explanation that the gas chambers were really used
>> >exclusively for de-lousing and all the other evidence is part of a huge
>> >'world-wide jewish conspiracy' to misinterpret what was supposedly just an
>> >accident of disease and famine.
>> 
>> None of these provide physical evidence to prove extermination by
>> gassing ever occurred.

>Again, you are attempting to migrate the debate toward gassing.  Find a
>thread that discusses gassing, but please stop invoking it here - this
>thread is about your assertion that Linbergh was duped into supporting the
>allied cause.

You brought it up, as you claim in retrospect, because of the Holocaust, it is was a "good
thing" the U.S. attacked (first) and fought Germany.  This just begs the question of
gassing.

>> >> It is a piece of lying bullshit.  Very plain.  Very simple.
>> 
>> >The above sentence is essentially the meat of 'denial' theory.
>> 
>> More of Kimberly Ahlf's wishful thinking!

>My wish comes true every time you respond.  You offer no evidence, just
>invective and an undying insistence that I am somehow lying.

Again, you air your wishful hope that if an invective is used, that alone can undermine
substance.  If that is true, than the Nizkook position has been long discredited!
   
[big snip]

>I'm dying to see how your own evidence stands-up to your standards of
>evidence, should you ever actually offer any evidence.

The evidence of the U.S. superfluous entry into World War, along with the Jewish guiding
force behind it has all be posted on "Fascist Continent."  I made the mistake of believing
you had kept up with the forum.  Evidently not.  

>> The issue is at best debatable as Germans used Zyklon B for saving
>> inmates lives,

>Where's your documentary proof of this wild exaggeration?

Even Nizkooks admit that Zyklon B was used "also" for delousing.  You are way out on a
limb here, Mrs. Ahlf.  But like I said before, no revisionist will call you on it because
the things you say are typically full of similar turgid and presumptive statements:  what
anyone could find on any typical Holocaust movie or commercial.   You are cliche-ridden,
adding nothing more knee-jerk hackneyed condemnation of Germans, continually making
statements that assume the "holocaust" occurred, as if repeating it will make it so.  The
main issue of this newsgroup is whether the "Holocaust" of extermination by gassing
occurred.   For you to merely assert that unsupportedly adds nothing to your side.  You
are actually being a terrlble representative for the Tale, even saying that camp detention
alone warrants the conclusion of extermination.   The Nizkooks aren't much better.

>> I notice you love to keep large passages of past exchanges between us
>> in the next posts.

>That's because your own previous statements are usually more damning of
>your positions than anything I can possibly write about them.

As I said before I don't care how much you quote from me:  it is that your posts are
dreadfully boring to read.  Three fourths of every post you send is highlighted in Blue.
If I would respond in kind the post size would simply DOUBLE as you no intent of ever
using the delete because your belief that by doing so it "damns me."  Whenever I delete a
section you claim I am "concealing" something.

Look, I am going to delete whatever sections I find irrelevant.  If you claim I am
"concealing" something, YOU can requote it in full and then prove how my deletion of it
was an attempt to conceal.

However, I have already said I am willing to let you "damn me" with a long list of
statement all of which I stll stand by (you are a cliched-ridden boob, exaggerater etc).
As it stands your posts are excessively tedious to respond to.    

>> You probably like tp pad your line total for a post because it makes
>> your post seem bigger!   Dreadfully boring, however.

>This gripe seems a little trite, even for you.

See above!  The one who is being trite is you, who believes by quoting every passage of
every post that you can "damn me" to the lurker.  However, the lives of most lurkers have
time restrictions and lurkers just skip through posts to get to the "new material."  I
have always begun to avoid reading posts from posters, such as yourself, who include huge
sections of needless dialogue.  But by all means, pad your posts, Mrs Ahlf!   It just
gives me more opportunities to respond.

>> See Matt Giwer's posts 1995-1996!   You give holohugger posts as proof,
>> I can certainly cite Giwer.   

>I've never offered "holohugger" posts as proof.  I have suggested that you
>take your issues with Zyclon-B to other threads which discuss gassing
>rather than try to introduce the topic here.

Because you obviously can't defend it.

>What specific passage from Giwer's posts do you offer as proof that the
>Germans wanted merely to evacuate the Jews elsewhere?  Certainly, "See
>Matt Giwer's posts 1995-1996" aren't *all* on that one subject.

I gave a broad search range for someone doing a search on Deja News.  Don't worry I can
give you a post (or two, : ) ) from Giwer dealing with the issue of evacuating the Jews
elsewhere.

>> I find it quite significant that the "Holocaust" witnesses which gave
>> testimony on gassing also gave testimony on evaporation devices,
>> steaming, and electrocution:  all of which have been quietly dropped.
> 
>You're trying to say that the eyewitness testimony I have cited, from
>Joseph Hell, is given by a man who made claims for evaporative devices?
>No, of course you're not, but what you are doing is trying to insert yet
>another obfuscating issue to migrate this debate away from your original,
>unsubstantiated assertions.

No.  I am claiming that "Holocaust eyetwitnesses" gave tesimony on a wide array of absurd
and now dropped claims, from electrocution, and steaming, to ray guns.  And that there is
no more physical evidence for ray guns than there is for gassing.

>> At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
>> invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
>> that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
>> 1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 

>This debate started when Kurt Stele claimed that Charles Lindbergh had
>been duped into supporting the allied war effort by a big "Lie."

No, actually it started when YOU claimed that it was a good thing the U.S. fought Germans
because Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy other races" and "Germany was an
aggressive threat to the U.S."   Both of which you have yet to support.

>So far Mr. Stele has offered no proof of this "Lie."

See above. And refer to "Fascist Continent" demonstrated the needless U.S. involvement
under Jewish design (Roosevelt was a crypto-Jew anyway as his family true demonstrates) --
posts which Mrs. Ahlf never followed.

>He has, however, tried to migrate the debate into:

>Whether or not the US enterred the war to stop Germany's nucleart weapons
>program.

The 'additional question" I gave because you abandoned the first one and I let it go only
to have you call me a liar for doing so.

>Whether Matt Giwer is an effective debater.

Interesting Mrs. Ahlf. You cried uncle on your assertion "Giwer lost every debate" and I
dropped for your sake.  You wish to continue the "Giwer lost..." issue?

>Whether the Nazis gassed Jews in concentration camps.

Again, that is purpose of this forum.  

>Whether Nurembergh prosecutor Robert Jackson's reference to a "vaporizing"
>device is evidence of holocaust fantasy.

That and electrocution and steaming are all part of the Holocaust fantasy (well-put) which
all been quietly dropped.  The last part of the fantasy to go is now Extermination by
Gassing myth, supported only by the same quality of eyewitness testimony.

>Etc...  

Etc?  I guess everything else can just be conveniently classsified by Mrs. Ahlfas "etc."!

>At least he's stopped calling me a "cliched, lyting, boob..."

See above.

Kurt Stele

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
wars of politics and possession."  

Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, NotThisis4 Aforgery wrote:

>> Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:
>> >I claimed Matt Giwer lost every debate he ever engaged in.  I submit as
>> >evidence the archived record of every debate Matt Giwer ever engaged in
>> >(to conserve space I'll refer those wishing to review this evidence to
>> >consult the Nizkor site which contains this archive.)  I hold that this
>> >evidence "proves" my opinion.  Mr. Stele is free to indicate exactly where
>> >this evidence does not support my opinion.  Granted, Mr. Stele and I are
>> >highly unlikely to reach any consensus on the interpretation of this data.
>> 
>> 	So you are a llar.

>There is a strong tendency for neo-nazis to call people "liar" when they
>have no other idea how to respond.  They call people "liar" an awful
>lot...

You are indeed a liar.  You provided no proof for your assertions Hitler wanted to
"enslave and destroy other races." (your words).  

>>  So what else is new?  You have no value and no one loves you.  So what
>>  else is your problem?  

>I remember my childhood when my older sister, a child herself, would
>torment and taunt me by proclaiming, "nobody loves you!"  She grew up.

>I know of at least three people, one big and two small, who love me quite
>a lot.  Can you say the same?

Ahlf, asker of the smarmy question.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: THE FATE OF THE POLISH JEWS DURING WW2
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olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:

>Hm the USA was multiethnic right from it's inception. Denmark has always
>been homogenous. Denmark is the Danes and the Danes are Denmark. A few other
>closely related individuals slipped in through the centuries and became 
>totally assimilited or absorbed. That is all.

Actually, er no.  America had slaves and Indians but it WAS homogenous in that its
non-White population was marginalized and prohibited from participation.   The United was
created for Whites and by Whites.   Undoubtedly, George Washington did not fight Brits
just to hand over the land gratuitously to any invasions of third-world biped that drifts
onto an America shore.   

That result was brought about, against the intent of America's founders, through the
ubiquitous Liberal/Jewish coalition.  I imagine in Denmark, Jews there wield inordinate
power, dominate the media, and are pushing for more non-Whites immigration.  Is my guess
correct, Ole?

Kurt Stele

"We don't believe in multinational states," said Israeli Labor Health Minister, Ephraim
Sneh. "It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is full of horrifying examples of what
happens in multinational states. Separation is the only way to build a reasonable
co-existence here." 

(Canada's Maclean's magazine for June 10, 1996.) 

Yet Jews and the Jewish media are in the forefront of multiracialism in White lands, a
movement which is destroying the White race.  Evidently, Jews want Whites to suffer racial
destruction, but not themselves. A very typical Jewish hypocrisy, and a deliberate act of
anti-White hatred. 










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Article: 78931 of alt.revisionism
From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:

>>   There are many good white American patriots who are longing for ethnic
>>  homogeneity. It should be a human right for everyone to live in ethnic
>>  homogenous societies.

>	No, there are a few nutcase nazi wannabes.  They could hold a 
>convention in a phone booth.  If you put them all in Rhode Island, it would be the 
>most sparsely populated state.

Just a few, eh?  So THAT's why so many Jews are worried about the rise of White
nationalism as a response to the genocidal race-mixing the Jewish media so avidly
promotes!   (snicker)

Kurt Stele

"We don't believe in multinational states," said Israeli Labor Health Minister, Ephraim
Sneh. "It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is full of horrifying examples of what
happens in multinational states. Separation is the only way to build a reasonable
co-existence here." 

(Canada's Maclean's magazine for June 10, 1996.) 

Yet Jews and the Jewish media are in the forefront of multiracialism in White lands, a
movement which is destroying the White race.  Evidently, Jews want Whites to suffer racial
destruction, but not themselves. A very typical Jewish hypocrisy, and a deliberate act of
anti-White hatred. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Why won't any "revisionists" answer these questions?
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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>1.  Who, specifically, started this conspiracy?  When was is started?  Where 
>was it started?

The "Holocaust" started out as typical Allied and Jewish anti-German war propaganda.  Many
of these claims were heard by Germans during the war and it was investigated and found
false.   The Red Cross was also permitted to view the camps and they found no evidence of
the claims.  

After the war, it was parlayed into historical fact, as is the privilege of the victor,
and as act of anti-German hatred.  Only people now want the proof and it's nowhere to be
found.  Since then most of the claims have been quietly dropped or refuted (electrocution,
steaming, the 6 million number).   

There exists no greater physical evidence for extermination by gassing than there existed
for the claim of steaming:  both were supported virtually entirely by eyewitness testimony
(often contradicted by OTHER eyewitness testimony) and the creative use of one or two
words in a document.   Hardly an airtight case.  

However, establishment institutions such as the media and education, fully in accord with
Jewish interest, refuse with few exceptions to discuss or permit the large holes in the
theory to be widely publicized.   Any other theory had it revealed so many holes, would be
re-examined, but we're not talking about "any other theory":  we're talking about the
foundation of contemporary Jewish power.   The Jews aren't going to allow the truth to be
heard without a fight, and they will continue their movement to criminalize revisionism,
in Orwellian style, all the more, along with boycotting and blocking inquiry through
"legal means."  

>2.  How were individuals recruited into the conspiracy?  What sort of training
>or support did they receive upon recruitment?

Very little training.  The hoaxsters were actually pretty crude about it.   The Holocaust
appears the work of a very uneducated, rather unsophisticated effort.

>3.  Who, specifically, runs this conspiracy today?

Well, it's not so much a conspiracy as it is a political religion.  Jews are in the
forefront of continually agitating about the "Holocaust" because it gives them several
benefits. It provides them with persecution status and the moral privilege that entails.
It gives them carte blanche to continue, with U.S. money, their campaign of ethnically
"cleansing" the land of Arabs through means involving torture and the murder of civilians,
women, and children.  But most of all, it is a moral truncheon to bash Whites with,
whenever Whites try to organize for self-determination.  

>4.  Why has no participant in this huge conspiracy turned traitor and spilled 
>the beans?  How have its manipulations stayed so hidden?

Again, it is inaccurately described as a conspiracy.  Many Jews earnestly believe that the
Holofraud occurred (with certain exceptions like Keren and others too familiar with the
holofraud's  impossibiities and deficiencies to honestly claim otherwise)  Actually there
have been Jews who have testified adverse to the Holocaust, if that's what you're asking. 

Kurt Stele

"We don't believe in multinational states," said Israeli Labor Health Minister, Ephraim
Sneh. "It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is full of horrifying examples of what
happens in multinational states. Separation is the only way to build a reasonable
co-existence here." 

(Canada's Maclean's magazine for June 10, 1996.) 

Yet Jews and the Jewish media are in the forefront of multiracialism in White lands, a
movement which is destroying the White race.  Evidently, Jews want Whites to suffer racial
destruction, but not themselves. A very typical Jewish hypocrisy, and a deliberate act of
anti-White hatred. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Alec Grynspan  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> Doesn't matter.  The laws enforce specific Jewish religious laws under a vague standard,
>> both are unconstitutional and Jews get away with it, of course.
>> 
>> Kurt Stele
>> 

>Then post just one of these laws.

>So far you haven't even come up with one law.

The law I posted enforced Jewish religious laws.  Try again.

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time, shackling them
in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in tiny chairs or closet-like
cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in
their clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with
loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling those
held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."


[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]



From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Nov 10 06:53:47 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>  >	Further he has not demonstrated their connection to Judaism.  He is 
>>  >apparently unaware that a majority of those who keep the kosher laws for 
>religious 
>>  >reasons are not Jewish.
>  
>>  The state laws specifically enforce Jewish kosher laws.

>	You haven't yet  cited a single law that enforces "kosher" laws.  Now 
>you're telling us the laws specify "Jewish" kosher laws?

>	Go back to lying about your colleagues, the Freeman brothers.


You are a liar, Yale.  The Freeman brothers weren't NA.   If anything they were Zionists.

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time, shackling them
in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in tiny chairs or closet-like
cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in
their clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with
loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling those
held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."


[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Never In All Hisotry Has The Winning Side Ever Committed A War Crime
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varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote:

>Bob Whitaker  in <3278C38F.29B9@conterra.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.conterra.com!usenet at alt.revisionism wrote:

>> I am  interested: does anybody know an exception to this rule.
>>    Doesn't it say somthing about these precious "precedents" War Crimes
>> are tried on?

>I can't think of one.  In any case, the globalist "concern" with War Crimes
>is bogus.

How interesting that Jews were never put on trial for war crimes after Israelis liquidated
thousands of Egyptians.  How...  How suprising!

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time, shackling them
in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in tiny chairs or closet-like
cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in
their clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with
loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling those
held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."


[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]



From kurtstel@micron.net Sun Nov 10 06:53:49 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Allied atrocities--stainless Stele forgery?
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karlpov@access4.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>Bob Whitaker  writes:

>>Charles R.L. Power wrote:
>>> 
>>> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>> 
>>> >Truth be known the Allies were far more savage than the Germans were.
>>>
>>> Typical and predictable bullshit from a Hitler-sucking Nazi-wannabe.

>>   Oops. I forgot your last sentence.  The complete statement should
>>have been:
>>   To sum up, no one on the winning side has ever been convicted of a
>>war crime.  
>>   So anyone who says anyone on the winning side ever committed a war
>>crime is A Nazi Who Wants To Kill Six Million Jews.

>It's understandable that being another brain-dead little Hitler-sucking
>Nazi-wannabe, you would sum up what I said as something I didn't say at
>all. Comprehension disorder seems to be a required qualification for 
>getting into the denier club.

Charles is very discrminating.  He only sucks Jews.

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time, shackling them
in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in tiny chairs or closet-like
cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in
their clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with
loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling those
held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."


[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]



From kurtstel@micron.net Mon Nov 11 07:03:49 PST 1996
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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Is Kreiberg a Fake Dane?
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>  In article <55mfib$dsp@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:

>>   Yes it is Danish but not a very common name. If it were not Danish please
>>  answer your Danish friend where would it originate from then. The correct 
>>  answer is that it originates from a Danish village by the name Krejbjerg 
>>  (in Jutland on the Salling peninsular). Only the spelling has been 
>>  changed a little.

>	It's phony.

You're a lying sack of Jewish shit, Yale.  
  
>>  >If you nazi laws 
>>  >are put into effect, you might be one of those rounded up for a concentration 
>>  >camp.
>  
>>   You mean that I or my parents have got their citizensship after 1965 and
>>  that we ethnic and culturally originate from the third world. Negative
>>  lawyer-boy, negative.

>	That's *your* standard.  Others might have different ideas about 
>johnny-come-lately phony Danes like you.

You're a phony "American" as are Jews at large.  Your allegiance is to your fellow Jews
here and in Israel, not to America.   That's why Jonathan Pollard is considered a "hero"
by the Jewish establishment, and scores of Jewish action groups are trying to free him.   

How does it feel to be traitorous phony American, Jew Yale?

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 

 



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On Sat, 09 Nov 1996 11:21:17 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <19961109051900.AAA09882@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ceacaa@aol.com
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> If the Germans were in the forced labor business
>> for money and making an alleged net profit
>> of $75 per month per laborer why did they let
>> their laborer die after nine months?
>
>Because the Nazis wanted to kill Jews. 

This is Van Alstine's mantric explanation for the contradictory
idiocies of the Holocaust.  It is the 90's now, Van Smellstine:
people demand physical proof, not regurgitated propaganda.

>> Also, if labor is so valuable so as to take the
>> time and cost to set up the camp, guard system
>> and housing, along with expensive hospital,
>> saunas, and crematoria, why did they kill
>> 90% (SHM)  of the arriving workers?
>
>Because the Nazis wanted to kill Jews. 

Setting up hospitals to kill Jews.  With what:  hospitality?

>> Your rational of the extermination/labor
>> camps is that the Germans set them up to
>> make a profit but then you have them
>> killing off their labor supply and trained 
>> workers.
>
>Yup. The the Nazis wanted to kill Jews while making a profit.  They did
>too. A handsome profit.

Bullshit.

>> It really is a fantastic
>> document, Mark, please try explaining some of the
>> assumptions of the estimate.
>
>Simple: The Nazis wanted to kill Jews. Lot's of them. All of them. 

So that's why they set up hospitals to care for Jews.  It all makes
such sense now.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 





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On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:12:36 -0500, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>Oh, it isn't really Franz Suchomel on the tape.  I see.
>
>Please explain why the real Franz Suchomel has not denounced this
>interview as a forgery and sued the hell out of the filmmakers.

That Suchomel "didn't sue" is not necessarily determinative but nice
try.  Please explain how they could have hidden the camera.  

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On 9 Nov 1996 11:40:26 -0800, rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves)
wrote:

>Ingrid Rimland wrote:
>
>>The following was published in The Advertiser, (11-9-96) headlined "Prime
>>Minister's edict:  These men unfit for Australia":
>>
>>". . . (c)ontroversial historian David Irving and Sinn Fein leader Gerry
>>Adams were both told yesterday they were 'unfit' to visit Australia.
>>
>>In a surprisingly strong attack, the Prime Minister, Mr Howard, said Mr
>>Irving was a 'crackpot criminal' and Mr Adams was 'a mouthpiece for
>>terrorists.'. . .
>>
>>He also dismissed claims that yesterday's decision to deny the men visas
>>compromised his bid for a new era of free speech.
>>
>>Mr Howard's comments angered sections of the Irish community, which pointed
>>to Mr Adams's free access to the United States, and civil libertarians
>>accused him of unwarranted censorship.
>
>Someone should tell The Advertiser that "Mr. Adam's free access to the
>United States" is not. He has been denied visas before, and his activities
>during his latest controversial visit were closely watched. I'd also
>wonder whether Ingrid has any comment on the Cuban travel ban as a
>free-speech issue. As I recall, some years ago, the UN General Assembly
>had to move to Geneva because the US government refused to allow Fidel
>Castro into the US for a speech before the United Nations. Or for that
>matter, what is Ingrid's free-speech position on Zundel's campaign to ban
>historical documentaries about the Holocaust? 

What does it matter if Zundel was trying to get the government to
enforce the same law equally, and banning anti-German Jewish "hate"?
If the law cannot be overturned then it is only fair it is used both
ways.  Protesting to enforce the law both ways is not the same as
being in favor of that law.

> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/zundel-ernst/censorship/

>I think the decisions to deny visas to Adams, Irving, and Castro were all
>valid exercises of sovereign power. Restricting travel to one's own
>country is a good, nonviolent way to express moral opprobrium. Any attempt
>to impose restrictions on the content of speech crossing international
>borders, though, would be most troubling, reminiscent of Ingrid's
>preferred political system. To my knowledge, though, such measures have
>not been pursued by the governments of Australia and the US, though they
>have been pursued in "revisionist" and "Irish nationalist" circles and by
>the government of Cuba.

Then fine.  The Gemany as a sovereign power were fully justified in
deporting Jews from their country as well through the emigration
transfer agreement signed between Hitler and the Jews, since a
sovereign may determine who can or cannot have rights or stay in the
country.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On 12 Nov 1996 05:10:05 -0800, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:

>Question 1 [Aug 1996]
>---------------------
>
>      "To say the nazis were able to rip the breasts off living 
>      women and stomp babies for fun and laugh about it, and yet 
>      they couldn't shoot jews even..."(Stele, Which Jew Bankers)
>
>   We know that historians have written about the psychological problems 
>   which resulted when some Nazi troops were required to shoot Jews, 
>   Mr. Stele, but which historians have written that German soldiers 
>   could not shoot Jews? 
>
>Questions 2-31 [Aug 1996]
>-------------------------
>
>   In August of 1996, you asserted that Jews control the media, and that 
>   this control "...allows one to literally rewrite history virtually any 
>   way one wishes." (Stele, To The Generalissimo) 
>
>   As you have made this claim, I assume that you are now prepared to 
>   substatiate it by providing the answers to the questions which follow.
>   The answers to most of these questions are, by the way, readily 
>   available from the appropriate American and Canadian government 
>   agencies, so it is safe to assert that you will encounter no 
>   difficulty providing the data. Market data is published regularly by 
>   the media themselves.
>
>   How many newspaper publishers are there in North America?
>   How many are privately held?
>   How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>   How many are traded on the exchange?
>   How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?
>   How large is their market share?
>
>   How many magazine publishers are there in North America?
>   How many are privately held?
>   How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>   How many are traded on the exchange?
>   How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?
>   How large is their market share?
>
>   How many cable broadcasters are there in North America?
>   How many are privately held?
>   How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>   How many are traded on the exchange?
>   How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?
>   How large is their market share?
>
>   How many radio broadcasters are there in North America?
>   How many are privately held?
>   How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>   How many are traded on the exchange?
>   How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?
>   How large is their market share?
>
>   How many television broadcasters are there in North America?
>   How many are privately held?
>   How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
>   How many are traded on the exchange?
>   How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?
>   How large is their market share?
>
>   Stele, Kurt. UseNet alt.revisionism, Subject: "Re: Which Jew bankers 
>      run the Fed. Res.?," Aug. 23, 1996.  
>      Message-ID: 4vjqc7$r7s@newsbf02.news.aol.com

Many of the answers to the above can be found at:

http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML

It lists which Jews control or own which media company, and  discusses
publishing too:   quite informative.   As it turns out, Jews have a
veritable monopoly on the media, including motion pictures,
television, and newspapers.  As the result, the mass media's biases
reflect Jewish tastes, values, and agenda.   That is why the
"Holocaust" lie is given such high billing but Jewish atrocities
against Palestinians are typically downplayed.   They can't use the
old "What about Ted Turner!" ruse anymore since Turner now works for
Gerald Levin of Time-Warner.  

Happy reading!

Kurt Stele

"We don't believe in multinational states," said Israeli Labor Health
Minister, Ephraim Sneh. "It didn't work in Yugoslavia, and history is
full of horrifying examples of what happens in multinational states.
Separation is the only way to build a reasonable co-existence here." 

(Canada's Maclean's magazine for June 10, 1996.) 

Yet Jews and the Jewish media are in the forefront of multiracialism
in White lands -- the movement which is destroying the White race.
Evidently, Jews want Whites to suffer racial integration and
destruction, but not themselves. A very typical Jewish hypocrisy, and
a deliberate act of anti-White hatred. 




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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:51:51 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote:

>rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>E. Zundel Repost  wrote:
>
>>>Also, the Cracow (I called it Krakow) Report is available at Nizkor at
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/ It
>>>is a refutation of the Leuchter Report.  It basically agrees with the
>>>Leuchter findings, but draws from these findings a different conclusion.
>
>>Not true at all.  Either Ms. Rimland didn't understand this report or
>>she is not being entirely straightforward.  The line that it basically
>>agrees with Leuchter seems to be taken from Raven's dogma.  It was
>>untrue when Mr. Raven said it and it is equally untrue when Ms. Rimland
>>says it.
>
>>The Crackow team has demonstrated that HCN was present in the homicidal
>>gas chambers at levels above background.  Deniers have no explanation for 
>>the presence of HCN in a facility built after the typhoid epidemic at
>>levels above background.
>
>	As you are well aware and has been pointed out to you many, many times, no
>background level -- no baseline -- was established in that "study."  
>
>	One has to question the quality of doctoral candidates the universities are
>putting out these days if you can not see that.  	
>
>>If the barracks in which they measured no HCN were never fumigated, why did
>>they measure a higher level in the homicidal gas chambers?
>
>	"once or never" as you read and choose to ignore in your support of your
>favorite holocaust.  
>
>>If the barracks were fumigated, why did they measure a higher level in the
>>homicidal gas chambers?  
>
>	And of course you know (or prefer to mislead) that you are merely appealing to
>ignorance, a logical fallacy formally identified over two thousand years ago, by
>asking questions.  
>
>>It should be noted that the researchers used a calibrated method and that
>>they discriminated against Prussian blue whose origin is not clear.
>>Leuchter and Rudolf did not do so.  
>
>	And if you were really qualified in research chemistry you would be able to,
>after numerous requests, to explain exactly what that means in the context of
>your appeal to ignorance on this subject.  

Poor Richard Green -- his spurious "science" foiled again.

The Holofraud's pseudo-science can fool most of the people most of the
time.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




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On 10 Nov 1996 07:00:23 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
>>   So far the other Danish patriots have only asked whether I would 
>>  like to run as a candidate for the municipality- and county election next
>>  year. I have had several meetings with them and they have never mentioned 
>>  anything about my name.  
>
>	Perhaps this is more evidence of the basic stupidity of the neo-nazis 
>you hang around with.  I am sure, by the way, that Danish voters include in their 
>prayers every night a supplication that some scruffy little nazi with a racist 
>ideology repugnant to all that is decent in western civilization will run for office.  

What would you know about what is repugnant to Western Civilization,
Jew Yale?   I'll tell what has been repugnant to Western Civilization
>from  its beginning:   Jew scum like yourself. 

>Be sure to tell us how your speeches in which you advocate having vigilantes 
>round up those who you don't like and throw them in concentration camps or tell 
>the voters how nauseated you are whenever you hear of how the Jewish 
>population of Denmark was saved.  Or is throwing rotten fruit an American 
>custom?

>	--YFE

How are your brothers doing these days in Israel Yale?  Killed any
Palestinian children lately?  Shot any Arabs in the mouth just for
fun?  How are those Palestinians doing which Jews forced in
concentration camps on the West Bank?  

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a
time, shackling them in contorted or bent-over positions and confining
them in tiny chairs or closet-like cubicles. Routinely deprived of
sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in their
clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being
bombarded with loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture
is "hooding," compelling those held for questioning to wear
foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."  

[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]


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Nizkook acolyte and resident sewage engineer Mark Van Alstine wrote in
another impotent flurry:

>bone ash - A white ash consisting primarily of tribasic calcium phosphate
>obtained by burning bones in air; used in cleaning jewelry and in some
>pottery. 
>
>calcium phosphate - 1. Any phosphate of calcium. 2. Any of the following
>three calcium orthophosphates, all of which are white or colorless in pure
>form: Ca(H2PO4)2 is used as a fertilizer, as a plastics stabilizer, and in
>baking powder, and is also know as acid calcium phosphate, calcium
>dihydrogen phosphate, monobasic calcium phosphate, monocalcium phosphate;
>CaHPO4 is uded in pharmaceuticals, animal feeds, and toothpastes, and is
>also known as calcium hydrogen phosphate, dibasic calcium phosphate,
>dicalcium orthophosphate, dicalcium phosphate; Ca3(PO4)2 is used as a
>fertilizer, and is also known as tribasic calcium phosphate, tricalcium
>phosphate.
>
>_McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Chemical Terms_.

GOSH.  Look at all those big scientific words Van Smallstine just
quoted.  The Holofraud really must be true after all!  (snicker) 

Kurt Stele


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On 16 Nov 1996 04:12:59 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   *@*.* (* *) writes:
>>  klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>
>>  >Oh sure. Everyday you see any number of Zionists running around
>>  >with Swastika's tatooed on their necks.
>  
>>  	When did you make up the lie about the tattoos and why did you make it 
>up?  I
>>  mean, did you get some satisfaction in making it up?  
>
>	Not really.  Brian Freeman had a very ornate swastika on the right side of 
>his face.
>  
>>  >If Yale is lying, Kurt, it should prove very easy for you to
>>  >prove it. Your failure to do so, indeed, your failure to back up
>>  >any of your assertions, makes it evident who the liar is.
>
>>  	As easy as it will be for you to prove the tattoo claim, that is.  
>
>	It's very easy to prove.  The swastika tatoo was very much in evidence 
>when videotapes were made in Michigan and broadcast on CNN.
>
>	--YFE

Yale, for the sake of even what little credibility you don't have do
you want to retract your lie that the Freeman brothers were NA members
or not?

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).



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On 16 Nov 1996 05:03:10 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   *@*.* (* *) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>>  >	Let us not forget that paradigm of civility that you mailed to me and my 
>>  >family Matty poo:

>>  >	"I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."

Aw, poor little Yalie-poo.  Tsk tsk.  What are the damages?  The
emotional distress of having your own family laughing at you?
  
>>  >	Maybe somone was just speaking to you in a language you can 
>>  >understand.
>  
>>  	Finally the lying bastard shyster admits what he claimed was obscene.  It 
>is not
>>  as though this worthless piece of shit YFE is honest nor that he has integrity,
>>  he is a lawyer.  We need only talk best price for someone like this.
>
>	It is both obscene and actionable as such.

Do something about it, whining bluffing crybaby shit dirtbag Jew
lawyer.
  
>>  	What and "obscene" message this lying bastard was sent.  
>
>	Not only is it obscene under the law, but taken with the criminal Giwer's 
>others harassment, it constituted a hate crime.

Yale wants to prosecute "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" as a "hate
crime."    What a Jew.
  
>>  	And this clown pretends it was to his family?
>
>
>	Not pretends, states as a fact.
>  
>
>	The criminal Giwer remains a criminal.
>
>	--YFE

You remain only a bluffing whining stereotypical Jew lawyer.  

Take your Orwellian 'hate crime" and stick it straight up your crybaby
Jew-ass.  

Why don't you sue me for that one too, Yale?

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On 12 Nov 1996 04:54:42 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	One of the consistent claims of the "revisionists' is that they just want 
>everybody to examine the murder of millions of Jews just as any other historical 
>event is analyzed.  The problem is, of course, that they do not do so.  No clearer 
>example of this can be found than the Tom Moran, whose writings are redolent of 
>anti-Semitism.  Recently Moran, like most other scoundrels do eventually, wrapped 
>himself in the American flag and, dishing out his usual reeking stew of lies and 
>bigotry,  used the stay of the Continental Army at Valley Forge as a springboard for 
>his criticism of Jews.
>
>	The winter encampment at Valley Forge from December 1777 through 
>June 1778 is indeed a crucial event in American history.  According to 
>conventional historians it was there that the Continental Army finally took form as a 
>coherent fighting force.  Without that encampment the Revolution would have 
>failed.  It can be said that if it can be proved that the Valley Forge story is a lie, the 
>American War for Independence can be exposed as well as a lie.
>
>	The question is, therefore, did Moran use the same standards in 
>examining Valley Forge as he does when he makes his idiotic statements about 
>Auschwitz.  The answer is simple and obvious.  He does not.
>
>	Moran presented us with eye witness testimony about what happened at 
>Valley Forge.  After relating how someone stood around in ankle deep snow three 
>weeks *before* the first snow storm of the winter, Moran told us that over 3000 
>individuals died of the hardships inflicted by the mildest winter of that century.  We 
>already have reason to doubt that figure.  Although Valley Forge has been a park 
>(first state and now federal) for well over a century and has been extensively 
>examined by historians and archeologists, no burials have ever been found.  None. 
> Not a single grave.  3,000 dead men and not a single stray cranium or interred 
>pelvis has been found.  You cannot dig up a gas pipe on First Street in Bethlehem, 
>Pennsylvania and not find the grave of a soldier of the Revolution.  Yet at Valley 
>Forge where, Moran claims, over 3,000 died not a single femur has been found.
>
>	Moran admits this.  He has been challenged to show us some forensic 
>evidence of those deaths.  He has remained silent.  His silence can only be 
>interpreted as a confirmation.
>
>	Since we have established that there were no burials at Valley Forge let 
>us take a look at the numbers.  George Washington's army consisted of 1,550 
>officers and 8,808 enlisted men when he entered Valley Forge in December, 1777 
>(returns of the Continental Army reported in "The Sinews of Independence: 
>Monthly Strength Reports of the Continental Army"  Charles Lesser, Univ. of 
>Chicago, 1976).  These were young and healthy men hardened by over a year of a 
>tough military campaign.  The winter was mild; there was almost no snow and 
>the spring began early in late February.  Yet we are expected to believe that 1/3 of 
>those men perished of disease and privation.  Simple common sense reveals that 
>this number is ridiculous.  This is especially true when we look at the later returns.
>
>	Moran has been challenged to defend his silly numbers.  Will he remain 
>silent?  Having picked a fight will he, as usual, cut and run?
>
>	Sorry, l'il tommy.  This will not go away.  You are one  "revisionists" 
>whose hypocrisy will be exposed.  The more you remain silent, the worse it will 
>become. 
>
>	--YFE

Yale I encourage you to continue doubting any historical event which
you so choose.   It does absolutely nothing to help your Holocaust
Myth and actually only legitimates the scrutinizing of history:  which
is  -always- a good thing.

Kurt Stele

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On 10 Nov 1996 18:21:03 GMT, ceacaa@aol.com wrote:

>Since it is a translation of a German term 
>as written by an American writer the point 
>is not particularly powerful one way or the other.
>What is important is what happened to the
>assets.  It appears that they were held and
>managed with the intent that (after deductions
>of cost) the value of the assets would be 
>returned to the owners.
>     Your search for a definition of sequestered
>with a more sinister meaning didn't come up
>with much.  Let alone show you to be correct
>or me to be incorrect.
>Maybe you should try to make a few honest
>posting rather than claiming things like
>"the whole world wonders" or avoiding
>the common usage of a word.

The entire Holocaust Industry is completely premised on using key
words completely against their obvious and intended meaning, or
reading them as "German code words" with absolutely no proof for such
creative interpretations.   As the public becomes increasingly aware
of this fact they will throw the smelly Holocaust trash in the garbage
where it belongs.  Good riddance.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 
 


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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:47:46 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>> This is, I believe, only a partial list.  I invite other alt.revisionism
>> participants to post (and/or e-mail to me) other examples of Mr. Moran's many
>> "errs".

>A Sisyphean task indeed! Let me help out by adding a few more straws to
>the camel's creaking back:

Smallstine the Nizkook witch-doctor and his band of Holocaust Lie
proponents cannot produce the goods for their shoddy little Gassing
Farce, and so in turn they can only belch out more Nizkook URL's.   

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/behold-the-liar
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/hilberg-out-of-context
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/1996/what-moran-believes.9607
>
>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers, Jews play a very prominent part."


Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele


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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:06:12 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <56haqj$hqb@news3.gte.net>, *@*.* (* *) wrote:
>
>>jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>A guy dumb enough to belong to a neo-Nazi organization like the
>>>National Alliance believes in a crackpot theory that whitewashes the
>>>patron saint of his religion, Adolf Hitler.
>
>>>Go figure.
>
>>	Obviously the National Alliance has more truth on its side than the idiot, lying
>>holohuggers.  
>
>Matt Giwer hates Jews, denies the Holocaust, and thinks that the
>National Alliance has some truth on its side.
>
>Go figure.

Nice try holohugging shit.   Your gassing hoax is a lying piece of
filth.  The best you can do is to attack the messenger.  

Kurt Stele

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On 17 Nov 1996 00:51:44 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote:

>Memo to the Council of Thirteen:

[snip]

Nice try to make light of the Jewish control of the media.  

Lame.

http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
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On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:54:39 -0800, Kimberley Ahlf
 wrote:

>I lied, in a way.  I used my project as an excuse to leave
>alt.revisionism, but I don't really have to go away.  I could stay if I
>really wanted to, and continue investing the time and effort that it takes
>to meet irrationality with reason, to combat bigotry with truth.   But
>I've come to the realization that reading the racist spew on this
>newsgroup is just too hard on me personally.  It detracts from my life.

You never were a very good Holofraud apologist.  You yourself admitted
this.  Your belief in the gassing hoax is based only on hearsay, not
even on first hand knowledge of purported evidence for it.   How could
you honestly claim you even understand what you believe?

>Whenever these bastards mock the victims of the holocaust it breaks my
>heart.  Even though I know they are vile, lying racists and that whatever
>they say is immmediately dismissed by all rational people, I cannot help
>but view what they do as an absolute desecration of millions of graves.

You can't subject your preconceived falsehoods to the scrutiny of
evidence.   It is a holohugging problem.  

>I look at my own two boys and can't help but remember that hundreds
>of thousands of parents watched as their own children - children once
>filled with the same joys of discovery and life that mine now enjoy - were
>taken away from them and murdered.  It is the most hideous thing that I
>can imagine; to kill children.

You'll be happy to know that the extermination by gassing is a hoax
then.

>I would rather watch these racists stand over the graves of the children
>and spit, because it would at least be a more honest expression of the
>deniers' motivations than their false pretense of 'historical 
>investigation.'  What they do is nearly as reprehensible as the crimes of
>the nazis who undertook the holocaust against the Jews and others fifty
>years ago.  The crime lives on in them.

Tell you what, Kim, why you don't examine revisionism, and if you can
refute the following sites, I'll believe you:  

http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html
http://www.codoh.com/
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/
http://www.air-photo.com/
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html

Surely you will go through them, because you want the truth right?
And surely getting to the truth involves examining all sides, right?  

>When I read the lies of the holocaust deniers I see the murderers
>resurrected and rehabilitated, and the children, their victims, murdered
>once more.  In the months that I have been reading this newsgroup I have
>witnessed this crime of the spirit every day.  It cuts at my soul.

Interesting one could go through so many needless emotional
contortions for a lie.   You deserve it then.  You refuse to examine
both sides, not only incapable of refuting revisionism but incapable
of defending what you claim is true.

>I will always admire those of you who continue to fight these bigots,
>fight to maintain the sanctity of history and the graves of the
>victims, but for now I cannot witness these desecrations anymore. 
>
>The racists and neo-nazis will disparage me for the things that I have
>said here, just as they have disparaged me in the past.  I wear the scorn
>of bigots with pride.

You wear the laurels of ignorance and bigotry not only with pride but
with self-righteousness.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:13:50 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Smallstine) wrote:

>Mr. Giwer, 
>
>You are hearby notified (again) that I do _not_ wish to recieve any
>corrospondance whatsoever from you, and that any further unsolicited
>private corrospondance from you will be considered harrassment and dealt
>with accordingly. Furthermore, any e-mail that I recieve  will be made
>public at my discretion. 

Van Smallstine and other holohuggers continually send e-mail
unsoliticitously to revisionists.   As usual they dish out their feces
in spades but complain sanctimoniously when receiving.  

>The  gonadotoxic Giwer-swine (tm) is, as far as I can determine, a craven
>anti-Semitic and racist troller whose only interest is in slandering Jews
>and causing fights.  He has profusely and consistantly lied about what has
>been said in exchanges (while accusing others of lying); refused to
>document claims; pretended not to see posts which contain documented
>refutation of his claims (even when they have been emailed to him);
>engaged in actual libel; blatant and offensive anti-Semitism; Nazi
>apologia, crude sexism, prolifically abused the 'Net, sent e-mailbombs,
>and harrassed people via e-mail; forged posts; and has generally conducted
>himself with such a complete lack of moral, intellectual, and factual
>integrity that there seems to be no point in taking the time to read and
>respond to such a perverted animal.  For detailed and documented evidence
>of this, please refer to
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/giwer.html
>http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/
>
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/antisemite
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/lies
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/c-word
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/fatbroad
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/net-abuse
>http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/giwer.matt/email
>
>Mark

This is the best the Smallstine shaman can do.   And he thinks it
works.  The sad fool.

Kurt Stele

There's no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you're stealing

There's no business like Shoah business
It's like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can't you hear the rabbis when they're pleading
For more donations to their cause






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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:25:07 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <56gsou$mu4@camel4.mindspring.com>, jimkonen@atl.mindspring.com
>("Truth") wrote:
>
>>There is no greater power in the world today than that wielded by the
>>manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no
>>conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even
>>remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's
>>mass news and entertainment media. 
>
>Yeah, yeah. It's the Jews. Blah blah blah.

Then refute it you equivocating sod.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 




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On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:21:48 -0800, Kimberley Ahlf
 wrote:

>For the record, here is what has occurred in terms of the production of
>evidence on the threads in question as of this date:
>
>Evidence Ahlf has provided:
>
>1) Quote from Hitler's _Mein Kampf_, which Stele denies being relevant

Said one can only "remove the Jews' hand from the throat by the
sword."  You automatically assume in classic holohugger style that
this means extermination.  Nowhere does it say anywhere that Hitler's
goal was to "enslave and destroy other races."  

>2) Quote from Hitler's 1922 speech, which Stele denies being reliable

The speech quote you gave has Hitler saying the first I'm going to do
when coming to power is destroy all Jews.  Yet this is written not
even in _Mein Kampf_, not even in the NDSDAP platform and nowhere
else.  Just another infamous "speech quote" from Hitler.   Rather, one
of the first things Hitler did upon coming to power to sign the
transfer agreement with Jews for emigration of Jews to Palestine
allowing them to take their wealth out of Germany, even though the
World Jewish Congress boycottted Germany and declared Jewish intention
to destroy Germany.   And still Hitler did not attack Jews.

>3) Cited Roosevelt's committee to study atomic weaponry, which responded
>   to an irrelevant challenge for proof from Stele, but when this proof
>   was given Stele tried later to change the text of his challenge.

I asked you an additional and far easier question because you appeared
too lame to answer your intitial assertions.  You then assume this
answers them and accuse me of changing the challenge.

>4) Cited Einstein'd letter warning Roosevelt of Germany's potential nukes.
>   Stele ignored this evidence

Doesn't prove Hitler was an "aggressive" threat simply because he may
have developed nuclear capability.  The Soviets overtly declared their
intention of subverting America and burying it and the Soviets
developed nukes, and America did not declare war on them.  Yet there
is no support for a German intention to "invade" the U.S., not even
bogus Hitler quotes.  The only reason why the Allies declared war on
Hitler is because Hitler refused to participate in the international
finance (i.e., the gold standard) and his booming debt-free economy
would have caused the eventual collapse of international finance.
Sources from international financiers saying "Hitler's gotta go"
including the deal offered after the phony war where Hitler would be
given peace if he just returned to the gold standard, were posted on
Fascist Continent which you of course failed to read.

>5) Cited Hitler's conquest of France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, etc...
>   to provide evidence of Hitler's known aggressive threat.
>   Stele continues to belittle this evidence, insisting that these
>   occupied countries were not conquests, but rather, German "outposts."

You are so dumb you believe after Britain and France declared war on
Germany first you think Germany should leave open beach-heads for
Allied invasion, or invasion through other countries by Soviets.
Then I suppose the Allied invasion of other countries were wrong as
well.

>6) Cited Hitler's having declared war on the US prior to US
>   declaration of war on Germany.  Stele denied that a declaration of war
>   is a reliable indication of threat.  Ironically, in the very same post
>   Stele *faulted* Britain and France for declaring war on Germany.

Britain and France declared war on Germany first and you try to
downplay this.  The U.S. was sinking German vessels in the open seas
for years.  The US had already declared war on Germany first in deed.
Nice try.   

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 12:40:09 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

[B-I-G snip of more worthless unsubstantiated and fanciful eyewitness
testimony from sewage engineer Van Smellstine, i.e., more propaganda
devoid of physical evidence.

>In article <55r90b$f75@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>> My point is that if the Germans did rely on deception 
>> to lure people people to their death (as eyewitness 
>> testimony clearly states) then the layout of the so-called
>> gaschamber doesn't make sense. 
>
>A specious "point," Mr. Allen. You're begging the question. German
>deceptions were irrelevent to the design of the L.Kellers. Such deceptions
>were practiced at _all_ the homicidal gassing installations at Auschwitz. 

How interesting and predictable that Van Alstine excretes another
baleful of worthless, maudlin dung while failing to specifically
address Mr. Allen's point regarding the contradiction between the
testimonies of force versus deception.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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On 8 Nov 1996 03:08:44 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>  In article <55p2p7$41d@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>>  >       That's *your* standard.  Others might have different ideas about 
>>  >johnny-come-lately phony Danes like you.
>
>>    My standard is in line with other Danish patriots.
>
>	Considering that you have informed us that the nazi scum of the NA are 
>also "patriots," it probably a good supposition that the Danish "patriots" with which 
>you associate could hold a convention in a telephone booth and not fill it up.
>
>	My Danish informant tells me that that the tale about the origin of your 
>name is as phony as a three dollar bill.  Apparently it was quite common for 
>immigrants to adopt names like those to cover up their real heritage during some 
>local conflict in the middle of the 19th century.  Good luck waiting for "repatriation" 
>at the concentration camp when the other Danish "patriots" come for you.

Here's Yale with more hypocritical bluster.  Yale would sell America
out in a second for his Jewish buddies -- both here and in Israel.
Yale's another Jew-traitor, a worthless, pretentious dirtbag.  How's
your hero Jonathan Pollard doin' these days, Yale?

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:36:56 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <32943bac.5792939@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
>wrote:
>
>[Moranic (tm) drivel snipped]
>
>> It also shows to what extent Jewish organizations have to access
>> U.S. records and to what extent they have gone over them.  
>
>The Moran (tm)  is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in
>blatant and offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial.

You can determine only as far as your knee-jerk Pavlovian constipated
little Holohoax fantasies can take you.

>The Moran (tm) generally conducted himself with such a complete lack of
>intellectual and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in
>taking the time to read and respond.  For detailed and documented evidence
>of this, please refer to:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom

More Nizkor unauthorized use promoted by Van Smellstine.

>But what else should one expect from a lying anti-Semite who holds wacko
>beliefs, is intellectually depraved, hasn't the slightest clue regarding
>Supreme Court decisions, or what constitutes a dud at the  box-office? 

What's a dud at the box-office? That's easy.  Anything the Jews who
run Hollywood don't want.  

http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).





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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:54:43 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:06:24 +0000, Dene Bebbington
> wrote:
>
>>"E. Zundel Repost"  wrote:
>>>------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
>>>
>>>November 9, 1996
>>>
>>>Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
>>>
>>>The government of Australia announced to the world a few hours ago  that
>>>special interest groups have succeeded in halting David Irving's book tour
>>>- this after its Prime Minister had made a ringing speech about "Freedom of
>>>Speech" on his continent and the "Hanson Speech" caused a wave of
>>>overwhelming approbation showing clearly that Australia belonged to the
>>>will of the people and not to the Shrill Minority.
>>>
>>>The following was published in The Advertiser, (11-9-96) headlined "Prime
>>>Minister's edict:  These men unfit for Australia":
>>>
>>>". . . (c)ontroversial historian David Irving and Sinn Fein leader Gerry
>>>Adams were both told yesterday they were 'unfit' to visit Australia.
>>>
>>>In a surprisingly strong attack, the Prime Minister, Mr Howard, said Mr
>>>Irving was a 'crackpot criminal' and Mr Adams was 'a mouthpiece for
>>>terrorists.'. . .
>>
>>Only strong insofar as it is the truth, certainly regarding Gerry Adams.
>>
>>>
>>>He also dismissed claims that yesterday's decision to deny the men visas
>>>compromised his bid for a new era of free speech.
>>
>>Are we to infer that Zundel and his cohorts feel that the right of a
>>foreign citizen to go to another country and say whatever he/she wants,
>>is paramount, and that a country has no moral (or otherwise) right to
>>decide who enters its borders?
>
>	And what does this have to do with the Zionist minority determining
>who enters the country?  Considering that Irving's "crimes" consist of
>the exercise of free speech, it would appear that Australia also
>considers such speech to be a crime, confirming the law under which he
>was convicted.  That does not speak well of Australia.  

Notice how Dene  is always there to uphold the censorship of
revisionists, but yet he loves to morally prate against Germans.

Another putrid hypocritical Holocauster.  Typical.  

Kurt Stele

http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML


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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:47:27 GMT, *@*.* (* *) wrote:

>100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik) wrote:
>
>>dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
>>>Andrew Allen "ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa)" writes:
>
>>>Wood and petrol refuse were needed to burn the corpses
>>>in the ditches. It's hard to tell just how much was used,
>>>and, it is possible that this method was more efficient
>>>than cremations. But we know that the crematoriums, because
>>>of the continuous cremation, required a relatively small
>>>amount of coke (see
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/auschwitz/images/
>>>Coke_Consumption.jpg).
>
>>>It's hard to tell; maybe it was more efficient to use
>>>pyres in Auschwitz. So, it will prove that the SS wasn't
>>>absolutely and completely one-hundred-percent efficient.
>
>	Unfortunately you are making this up as you go along.  

Their stories make no sense and when asked about them:  "oh, the Nazis
were dumb.  Crazy.   Inefficient.  Yeah.  Yeah, that's it."

>>The hald-decomposed corpses burned without fuel or almost with only a
>>few. Then when the first graves were emptied, they alterned old and
>>fat corpses (not "old women".. what an ashaming misunderstanding) with
>>anothers.
>
>	Sorry but if the bodies are decomposing then they still have the water in them
>that requires the fuel.  Dehydration that would require less fuel would also
>stop the decomposition process.  
>
>>When the graves were empty, the situation became different. With
>>recent corpses, fuel, wood, became necessary. You have the same
>>difference in Birkenau. Before and after the building of the cremas.
>
>	A fallacious creation on your part and not in any part of the literature.  

"Holocausting":  the art of making up the story as one goes along.  So
much of what the Nizkooks write consists of this.  Some of it gets
quite creative.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:38:10 +0000, Dene Bebbington
 wrote:

>Indeed, Giwer doesn't seem keen on admitting his guilt, but then he
>isn't part of the group that could be described as "decent people".

Moral assessments are meaningless from an odious prig who actually
considers criminalizing revisionism a valid measure.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:40:51 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <3293c26e.945369@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> This is what Nizkor is all about. To perpetuate tales of ghoul
>> that other Holocaust authorities don't care to include in their sales
>> presentations - anymore. Soap and mattresses from hair. One of the
>> most known 'facts' of the immediate post war rumor mill. The utmost
>> played on rumor next to the "gas chamber" aspect. Whatever Nizkor is
>> presenting you won't be seeing others give. This is the job of the
>> well financed "$1,500,000" Nizkor, there to carry on the extinct,
>> deleted rumors, so the others can have the cake and deny it too.  
>
>Argumentum ad hominem. 
>
>I guess having Nizkor around to expose the Moran's (tm) lies really bugs
>him.... 

Sewage engineer and Nizkook commandant Van Smellstein cherishes even
the last particle of Holofraud feces with the utmost gusto and
gravity.  No lie too big, no testimony too contradictory,
exaggerative, or ridiculous to arouse the glands of the Nizkooks to
its defense. 

>> >As to the issue of the bones of the murdered victims and their being used
>> >for fertilizer:
>> >
>> >The bones of the victims were pulverized so they would not be recognized
>> >as bones. The reason for this, according to Ho"ss, was that shortly after
>> >Himmler's summer of 1942 visit to Auschwitz Himmler gave the order for the
>> >mass graves (which contained about 100,000 corpses) be opened and the
>> >corpses cremated. The order further stated that all the ashes be disposed
>> >of so that later it could not be determined how many victims were killed. 
>> >(_Death Dealer_, p.33.) Obviously, Himmlers orders were left standing 
>> >for the remainder of Auschwitz's operation.
>> 
>>         Mr. Ho'ss said all this? 
>
>Did the Moran (tm) read what Ho"ss wrote? (A rhetorical question!) 
>
>> Mr.Ho'ss the one who said over 3,000,000
>> people were killed at Auschwitz? 
>
>And who ammended this to 1.13 million. A remarkebly accurate estimate, btw.

Remarkably consistent with the hoax that Ho'ss torture-masters were
foisting.

>> Was he the same one who ordered the ashes to be scattered around on the camp 
>> paths to keep people from slipping? Is he the one who ordered the ashes to be 
>> put into the walls for insulation? Is he the one who ordered the ashes to be 
>> scattered out in the fields for fertilizer? Is he the one who ordered the 
>> ashes taken down to the rivers and thrown in? 
>
>Himmler's orders "further stated that all the ashes were to be disposed of
>in sucha way that later on there would be no way to determine the number
>of those cremated." (cf. Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_. p.33.) 
>
>> I realize that even some dedicated to the Holocaust story have a opinion 
>> Mr.Ho'ss was crazy
>
>Really? And who might these people be? 
>
>> and that his diary might say one thing and his testimony might say
>> another...
>
>Or they might say the same thing. Wow. What a "coincidense!"  

And such absurdities as Sondercommando eating and smoking while
removing bodies immediately afterwards.

>> and that some of his testimony is now commonly recognized
>> among all as somewhat fabricated...
>
>Indeed. When Ho"ss's memoirs concern his wife's knowledge of the gassings,
>he lied, saying she knew nothing about it. (Ho"ss confided to G. Martin
>Gilbrt at Nuremberg that he _did_ discuss the mass murder of the Jews with
>his wife on one occassion.) When Ho"ss wrote that he could not halt the
>barbarism on the part of the guards at Auschwitz, he lied, as he actively
>instigated it to set the prisoners against each other. (A fact born out in
>that after Ho"ss was transferred the new commandant, Leibehenschel,
>quickly stopped the random beatings of the prisoners.)

>But as to the extermination pogrom itself? No, Ho"ss didn't lie. Just the
>opposite, in fact. He told the damning truth. In great detail. 

In detail to the point which Ho'ss completely damns the holohoax to
hell as one could not be both detailed and absurd except to fabricate.

>> ...but he couldn't have been that much of a wild man with the ashes.  
>
>And why is this? Does Moran suggest that a person that would carry out a
>pogrom of the cold-blooded murder of over a million people could not order
>that their ashes be dumped in rivers, scattered across fields, etc.? 
> 
>> Perhaps all the tales of ashes are really only the figment of
>> multiple testimonies. 
>
>And perhaps such multiple testimonies are simply stating what took place.
>A much more likely conclusion than Moranic(tm) mass hallucination or
>collusion. 

Or the repetitively contradictory testimony of things never found
physically which would have been found everywhere but were not.

>> At Majdanek the ashes (and many bones) were hidden under manure
>> piles and dug into gardens.
>
>So? Just points out how disgusting the Nazis were. 

Or how contradictory is the testimony, i.e., how stupid Van Smallstine
is.

>> At other camps they were left in situ where the bodies were
>> burned.
>
>So? Just points out how disgusting the Nazis were. 

Or how stupid Van Smallstine is.

>> Why thanks, Mr.VanAlstine. You have reminded me of another aspect
>> of the Holocaust pot pourri story line.
>
>Translated: Be prepared for more Moranic (tm) lies.
> 
>[snip]
>
>> Now this last out of breath flurry of such things as "calcium
>> orthophosphates", "Ca3(PO4)2" and "tribasic calcium phosphate" really
>> is impressive.
>
>I thought so too. Especially as it shows that calcinated bone makes a
>great fertilizer. 
>
>> One should wonder, what with all these wonderful resources that
>> can be gotten from the crushed bone and ash, why the Germans would
>> have taken to scattering them around on the paths in the camp,
>> stuffing it into walls or taking it down to ponds or rivers to be
>> disposed of. I wonder if Mr. VanAlstine could come up with a rough
>> estimate of how much of the ash and bone was committed to the fields.

And the stuff is still missing, even though thousands of tons.
Amazing, miraculous:  and a testimony only to Van Smallstine infinite
credulity and ongoing insipidity.

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele


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On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:31:02 GMT, pj@o.rourke (Leprechaun) wrote:

>	As Marduk, the self identified jew, said on my phone today, I
>should be afraid for my son.  
>
>	What a Jew!  What a netcom canada employee.  
>
>	Are all jews really like this jew?  
>
>=====
>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html
>http://www.codoh.com/

Marduk is the sort of Jew which makes people wish the Holofraud was
true.

Kurt Stele




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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 08:19:30 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>Face it, Matt. You don't know nothing about anything. 

Leaving open the possibility of knowing something about anything or
something about something.

>Everything you say is wrong. 

Use hyperbole much?

>Live with it: you can't think, and you don't know nothing. 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Keren isn't known for his enlightenment.

>But this doesn't mean you can't be a "leading
>revisionist scholar". 

Have you received your "corporal" bars from Nizkook Command yet?  

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 
  


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On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:12:16 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <328d5923.18712727@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer posting as pj@o.rourke
>(Leprechaun) wrote:

>>	In fact it is so prevalent in holohuggery that it is the rational
>>first assumption in any matter regarding it.  
>
>Given that your reply is unresponsive to the issue under discussion, I
>can only assume that you mean simply to disrupt the conversation. Just
>remember, you have disrupted the discussion for everybody.

Go to hell asshole.  How's that for an interruption.

>Very good. You have demonstrated once again that "revisionists" are
>loudmouths who have no facts and no arguments, just wild accusations.
>You have demonstrated once again that, for Matt Giwer, free speech
>means only Matt Giwer and his opinions shall be heard.

Got to get rid of that free speech don't we.  Make it just like in
Germany and France where if you differ with another's (fraudulent)
view of history, you "get in trouble."  

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:28:47 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <56f6p7$f22@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:

>> And if you don't like an interview given by a crematory operator, you
>> tampered it and you invent a fictive canadian law?
>
>Sorry, but your lame insinuation that I lied about something does not
>erase the fact that you have invented a complete fantasy about
>Lanzmann using an actor to portray Suchomel in order to prove that the
>Holocaust happened. Most people would have been embarrased to say such
>a stupid thing. But not you. You are so desperate to find a reason to
>doubt the historicity of the Holocaust that you have to invent such
>fantasies all the time.

Hell, by now one could in all fairness just go ahead and -assume- that
any given "Holocaust" support is probably spurious.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On 17 Nov 96 10:19:45, alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

><*[*] [*] [Dene Bebbington] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
><+[Re: **************** G I W E R   R U L E S] [16 Nov 96 06:00][*][0]*>
>
> >> I have been doubly hated because I have worked against
> >> you holohuggers for attempting to pervert this conference into
> >> a holohugger preserve.  You holohuggers have no business here,
> >> period.  This is for revisionism only.
>
> DB> Really, since when were you appointed chief arbiter of this
> DB> newsgroup?
>
>Actually Matt has doelt the deniers use of this newsgroup a
>veritable death-blow.
>
>By his spamming, ignorance, paranoia and blatant psychological
>problems - he's embarassed any quasi-literate denier out of here.
>That means that the newbie who's still on the fence will see nothing
>here and go elsewhere.

Actually there is so much fuss made about Giwer it simply draws more
attention to his posts.  Considering that most of his posts expose the
Holohoax wonderfully, this is a boon.   

His other posts confront Jewish superstition, along with Jewish
pushiness, ethnocentrism, and arrogance -- traits which are being
increasingly noticed by a saturated public forced to pay the huge
bills for every kike demand and whine made for either Yidsrael or the
Holofraud.

>At Nizkor he'll see gobs of data. At CODOH he'll see rabid
>anti-semitism and more paranopia. He'll be reminded of what he saw
>here.

There are too many CODOH converts for that that lie to have any
credibility .  

>So Matt is our biggest ally, no matter how many aliases he uses.

Right Grynspam.

>In fact, by using multiple aliases, he helps that same newbie think
>that a larger number of deniers is equally deranged and frightens
>that fellow off from believing Matt's nonsense.

Or that more deniers exist which the Nizkooks are incapable of
answering.

Kurt Stele

The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish
inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not
killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and
that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86
percent -- were unable to work. 

(Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German
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On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:59:47 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) blathered forth:

>Ho hum, here we go again.... More Moranic(tm) Nazi apologia and knee-jerk
>bashing of the Allies. To suggest that the U.S. and Britain, who did not
>murder the 12 million people in the Holocaust, "might find themselves more
>responsible for the Holocaust than [Nazi] Germany" is the height of
>absurdity. 

In a pig's ass Nizkook.

http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
d'Holocauste (also in English)  
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 

[URL's archived by fraudulent criminal synagogue front-organization,
the Nizkooks, as posted by fecal enthusiast, and scatological
sculptor-in-residence, Mark Van Smellstink -- snipped]

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele



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On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:37:50 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <328d373d.10034413@news.gte.net>, pj@o.rourke wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:56:06 -0500, Hardwire
>>  wrote:
>> 
>
>> >When you decide that you'd like to come down from whatever drug you're
>> >taking and join the rest of us in the real world, please do so.  
>> 
>>         It it this quality of mind, this great discernment of evidence and
>> data the also believes in all that gassing and electrocution and
>> steaming and suffocation and the like.  
> 


>Hey, Mr. "O'Rourke,"
> 
>You got your insults mixed up.

Read it again.
 
>The peson you're insulting here is a revisionists, not a Holocaust defender.

Learn to read Sara aka "Perrfect."  Incompetent reading is anything
but perrrfect.
 
>I know it's hard to keep things straight without a score card, but it's
>pretty simple:
> 
>Those who refuse to use their real name (like "Hardwire" and "PJ O'Rourke")
>are usually liars and deniers.

Notice that McVay the grand Nizkook poobah hides behind a drop-box.  
 
Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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On 16 Nov 1996 20:42:49 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>  Yale wants to prosecute "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" as a "hate
>>  crime."    What a Jew.
>
>	Actually it was the e-mail addressed to "Dear Jerkoo Jew" that so 
>qualifies.

Boy you Jews love those Orwellian "hate crime" laws don't you?  Call
the polezei to put someone in jail for offensive speech.   The ADL
Jews must -love- you Yalie-poo.  Between your treatment and
exterminations of Arabs and your repression of speech looks like you
Jews can't claim superiority to even the fictional Nazis you love to
whine and moan about.

So far the Jewish-inspired "hate crime laws" have been struck down as
unconstitutional  when challenged.  Of course, the ADL and fellow Jews
are pushing to change all that.   But so far the Constitution has
somehow held even against swarms of stinking Jewish lawyers like
Yalie-poo.   
  
>>  Why don't you sue me for that one too, Yale?
>
>	Becasue you would  plead that you are too mentally incompetent to 
>stand trial.  P.S. Why don't you learn the difference between a criminal charge and 
>a civil matter.  What the criminal Giwer did was a crime.  That is, a breach of 
>peace and an offense against the state as a whole.  They would handle any 
>prosecution of the criminla Giwer.  All I would do would be sit in the back of the 
>courtroom and smirk as the criminal Giwer tried to weasel on the stand. 

Yale is a dirtbag crybaby Jew.  Hey Yale, why don't you call the
police and arrest me?  I just did a hate crime.   Yale?

Hey Yale:  "Jerkoo Jew."  

Hey, I just did again.   

"Yale is a cowardly scum-sucking Jew lawyer."

Hey -- another "hate crime"!  

"I don't give a damn about your filthy shitty lying Hollowcause."  

Four, nay, FIVE hate crimes.    Boy, you'd just -love- to put me in
jail for that, wouldn't you Jew-Yale?   (snicker)

Kurt Stele

Stick it up your Jew-ass.   (6 hate crimes in one message, plus I
confess an intent to do 2 more). 


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On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:37:49 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>Gentlemen:
> 
>I understand you dislike "Jews."

You criticize revisionists as anti-semites for doubting the shittiest
and stupidest Tale every conceived.  Typical Jewish ethnocentrism.
 
>I understand you dislike "Zionists."

I understand you hate Palestinians and wish to kill more of their
children using U.S. money for Israel.
 
>I understand you dislike those who do not dislike Jews or Zionists.

And you dislike anyone who knows about the Holofraud.
 
>You have all made that perfectly clear. To everyone who reads this newsgroup.
> 
>However, the topic of this group is "Revisionism." It isn't "Do the Jews
>rule the media/world/etc."

Some place you have to talk, hypocrite Nizkook.  If it is
"revisionism" then take your Nizkook drooling shit the hell out of
here, Nizkook.
 
>It isn't "Those Nasty Israelis and how they treat the Palestinians."

It is until you leave, hypocrite Nizkook.
 
>It isn't "Let's act like a bunch of racist idiots."

It is until you leave hypocrite Nizkook.
 
>It isn't "Here's some HTML pages to read."

It is until you leave hypocrite Nizkook.

>I suggest to you that there are a plethora of groups where the above topics
>are welcomed.

Kiss the collective unwiped ass, hypocrite.
 
>And I respectfully request that you limit your posts here to the subject at
>hand. To do otherwise simply shows that you have nothing of substance to
>offer here.

You wish hypocrite.
 
>To the readers of alt.revisionism, I propose that off-topic posts should
>not be responded to in this forum, but limited to e-mail and/or responses
>in the appropriate fora.

We're only beginning to warm up, hypocrite Nizkook.
 
>Respectfully submitted,
>Sara

Unrespectfully discarded.

Kurt Stele

>"I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy."
>                 Samuel Butler

You evidently also do not mind hypocrisy.

The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish
inmates at Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not
killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4,
1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS
Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and
that all of the remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86
percent -- were unable to work. 

(Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German
document No. 128, in: H.)



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On 20 Nov 1996 17:20:43 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote:

>In article <56v9b3$978@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu
>(william c anderson) wrote:
>
>> Treblinka Veggie Garden (himmel@strasse.org) wrote:
>> : On 20 Nov 1996 04:17:00 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote:
>> 
>> : >Silly Zog, tricks are for goys!
>> : 
>> :       If you should find the time, would you care to explain the Avi
>> : Shavit and the papers that carry him that there is no Zionist control
>> : of the US Government and media?  There's a good bubbie.
>> 
>> Geez, Matt--you really CAN'T read, can you?  ZOG Commander Carol 
>> isn't denying that JOOS dominate the media--he's exulting in it.
>> 
>> By the way, Andrew--I was promised the full mind-poisoning and 
>> cultural-genocide treatment months ago, with delivery in four to
>> six weeks. How am I gonna get my ethnic roots defoliated if you 
>> guys can't even stick to a delivery schedule?
>> 
>
>
>Please, please.  These things take time!  There are so many
>good people who we, like the rats and animals we are, must spoil
>and defile.  It's almost overwhelming.  ZOG Control has had
>to bring on extra help!
>
>All I can ask, is that everyone have patience and understand
>that this is our busiest time of year, what with what we've
>got going on in Canada, America, Bosnia, and Zaire.
>
>We have received reports from some Aryans that their Joo
>paperboy is not always getting the paper into the puddle.  We
>apologise for this.  It seems that we had a 'Good White Christian'
>paperboy infiltrate our operation.  He's since been 'dealt' with.
>
>BTW, will the owner of a dirty pickup truck, license plate "Bubba"
>please identify yourself to your nearest Joo secret agent.  Kindly
>pickup your phone and say "My name is Bubba".  Since we handle the
>phone tapping contract for all NWO plots we will hear you and
>deal with you.
>
>Thank you for your understanding....

http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML

Kurt Stele

>-- 
>Andrew Carol               "Could be worse.  Could be raining."
>carol1@apple.com         carol@woz.org



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On 20 Nov 1996 02:23:32 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote:

>In article
>,
> wrote:
>
>> It clearly showed the Jewish Congress creatures sitting at a table, with
>> the flag of ISRAEL, not the Canadain flag, while they commented on the
>> alleged nazi activities of the lieutenant-general of Quebec!!!
>
>Oh my God!
>
>They "commented" on his past!
>
>Will the crimes of these Joo's never come to light?
>
>The actually commented about him!!!!  That is an outrage!
>
>How long must we live with them taking over medical, financial,
>government and scientific jobs?  How long must we put up with their
>race mixing?  With their drinking the blood of the Christian
>babies?  With their refusing to speak english, like Jesus did
>in the Bible?
>
>How long?  I suppose until you learn Hebrew so you can _BEG_ us
>to stop!
>
>Too bad we have all the money!  

Actually Jews have more money per capita than any other group.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On 20 Nov 1996 16:32:15 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>    Mr. Blackmore and I were discussing evidence for the historicity of
>the euthanasia program.  Do you agree that the hand-signed Hitler order is
>valid physical evidence for the existence of a euthanasia program under
>the Nazi regime, or is there some revision of the accepted history which
>should be discussed?  If so, let us discuss it.  If not, please do not try
>to sidetrack the discussion onto matters outside the topic of this
>newsgroup.
>
>    Your cooperation is appreciated.

You must have missed the point.  What is in issue (not even) is only
whether the "Euthanasia program" Hitler adopted is any different at
all from any other humane Euthanasia program for the terminally ill.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:27:25 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>> And what happened to Mr. Hofmann?  Did he admit participating
>> in the gassing of people?  If so, what is his description of the process?
>
>And what happened to Herr Schwarzesel? Did "he" have a bit a "gender
>confusion" or what? And what happened to Frau"lien Schwarzesel, for that
>matter? 

You must have an interest in rb.  I guess being a Nizkook catamite is
still not satisfying your depraved "inner longings" for the male
anatomy. (snicker)

>Why did "she," after being soundly trounced, skulk off after her
>exposure as a juvienile (both literally and figuratively) lying scumbag
>Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier? One who's idea of "proof" is telling
>puerile lies and, when they are exposed, stamping "her" little feet and
>saying (in essence) "because I say so!"

As usual you can't provide anything to refute him Van Schmaltzstink.


>For those interested in proof of Frau"lien Schwarzesel scumbag Nazi
>apologia and lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization, tune
in any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of


"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele



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On 19 Nov 1996 04:16:35 GMT, Jean-Francois Beaulieu  

> I've bring several odd aspects, and I'll repeat:
>
> The claim of a hidden camera in a bag is ludicrous.
>
>  It is unlikely that someone could twist the bag, sometimes very quickly,
>  without the man discovering something odd. In the dialog, it is constant:
>  each time that Suchomel stand up, or that he show something on the map,
>  the camera rotate, sometimes very quickly. This appear to be from 2
>  different positions: one sitten position and one where the camera is
>  at Suchomel's shoulders level. It can be easily verified that the camera
>  is at this level 35 to 36 minutes after the begining of the cassette
>  when Lanzmann hand is rise up near the len. At the begining of the interview,
>  after the sentence 'on the ramp', the camera is very close to the extre-
>  mity of the stick. Then during 5 second the stick move on the right, left,
>  few inches up, and the camera follow it. Obviously a female assistant
>  who held a bag near the stick (few centimeters) wouldn't take the risk
>  to move it up-down left-right just to catch such ridiculous details if
>  she know that the man look at it. It's the reflex of a cameraman who is
>  accustom to see his target in the colimator who do that. The
>  samething happen 2 or 3 other times 35 minutes after the begining, again
>  the stick is followed meticulously in its slow motion at a short distance.
>  From 10 centimeters maximum.
>  Most of the time, when the man show an element on the map, EVEN above
>  his head, this element is focus correctly. It can be an element near the
>  word 'Treblinka' on the map, or an element 60 centimeters below, but
>  the camera will rotate quickly and spot it. Those elements are not
>  'details', because I'm not seeing this movie like you: to me, it is
>  not probable that a female assistant would take the risk to move her
>  bag constently up,down,right, left, it is impossible that she can
>  spot such details so easily and it is unbelievable that the other man
>  couldn't suspect anything. That make 3 things. Add also to that that
>  several times when the camera return to the face it miss it and then
>  the focus is readjust. There's no mark possible to guide her. She can't
>  know if the face is taken correctly. She would have both to take such
>  accurate views and to do those complex movement and also to take care
>  that the man doesn't notice anything? She's also supposed to take notes,
>  to sleep the mefiance of Suchomel, according to Miloslav first version.
>  Na,na,na! Lets inverse the things: if I have to follow the same gestures
>  than the 'female assistant' and give the same fantastic accuracy that she
>  get and you film me when I'm doing that, Just after 30 seconds it will
>  be obvious that I'm hidding something in my bag.

Hee hee!

Kurt Stele


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Subject: Re: Goebbels Talks About the Jews, II
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On 20 Nov 1996 02:13:19 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  The Goebbels [Reich propaganda Minister] Diaries, February 14 1942
>>  [The Goebbels Diaries 1942-1943 - L.P. Lochner, Doubleday & Co., 1948, 
>>  p. 86]
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>  World Jewry will suffer a great catastrophe at the same time as
>>  Bolshevism. The Fuehrer once more expressed his determination to
>>  clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish
>>  sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that
>>  has now overtaken them. Their destruction will now go hand in hand
>>  with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process
>>  with cold ruthlessness.
>>   
>>  
>>  
>>>>>
>And?  What is this supposed to prove even if it is accurate?

The depth of irrelevancy to which Holocausters must descend in order
to support their hoax given the complete absence of physical evidence.
Nothing more.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Hitler Talks About the Jews, I
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On 20 Nov 1996 02:31:38 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  Speech by Hitler, January 31, 1939
>>  [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
>>  Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol XIII, p. 131]
>>  ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>  Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers
>>  in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into
>>  a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth,
>>  and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in
>>  Europe!
>>  
>>  
>In that case he was a very poor prophet, as the jews are still here and
>apparently as numerous as ever.

And as obnoxious as ever.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 20 Nov 1996 10:37:10 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
Stein) wrote:

>In article <3292ddbd.27798091@news.gte.net>,
>Matt Giwer  wrote:
>>On 18 Nov 1996 11:16:11 -0500, mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P.
>>Stein) wrote:
>>
>>>    Here are two actual excerpts.  I did not make them up.
>>>
>
>[#1 snipped]
>
>
>>	Where did this come from?  Who said it?  What is the corraborating
>>testimony?  Who provided this "testimony" and in what form?  What was
>>the cross-examination?   
>
>    All perfectly good questions, and I will answer them after giving
>other people time to post their responses.  However, other revisionists I
>have run into have seldom asked those questions in similar situations; for
>the most part they have simply declared that the testimony was coerced if
>a confession, or a lie if by a survivor.
>
>
>>	What is the physical evidence?  Where is the gravesite and who dug
>>it up and what was the forsensic determination?  Please post the
>>results of the forensic examination.  
>
>    This will tell you if there were dead people with bullet holes.  But
>none of this will tell you if the "dramatic" part of the incident - the
>baby crawling and being picked up by the leg - actually happened.  You're
>almost certainly not going to get fingerprints off the leg.  The only
>physical evidence for that sort of thing is going to be a photo, movie, or
>video.  And murderers usually don't perform on camera.  Remember the
>Lipstadt quote?  This too looks like a case where reason ALONE won't tell
>you the truth. 

Actually this is a completely irrelevant example to Holocaust
revisionism.  The main issues include the extermination by gassing
claim and the question of whether there was a deliberate and
systematic attempt made by the Germans to wipe out Jews.
Overwhelmingly the answer to both appears to be No and No.  If the
answer to those claims are No, then the above story is likely untrue
or in the alternative an act by an individual German:  certainly no
more heinous than those done by Israelis to Palestinian infants or the
methods of torture used by Israelis which have been actually legalized
by Israel, or the bombing of Dresden by the Allies.   (As usual when
Israelis are compared to Nazis in inhuman brutality, the Israelis far
exceed them).  If the answers are No, then the Jews are stripped of
the special standing they ascribed themselves in the conflict as
special victims. 

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 20 Nov 1996 01:04:27 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  Testimony of Hans-Heintz Schutt, SS-officer at Sobibor
>>  [Quoted in "'The Good Old Days'" - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
>>  Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 240]
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------
>>  Getting the detainees into the gas chambers did not always proceed
>>  smoothly. The detainees would shout and weep and they often refused to 
>>  get inside. The guards helped them on by violence. These guards were
>>  Ukrainian volunteers who were under the authority of members of
>>  the SS Kommando. Members of the SS held key positions in the camp, i.e.
>>  one SS man oversaw the unloading, a further SS man led the detainees
>>  into the reception camp, a further SS man was responsible for leading
>>  the detainees to the undressing area, a further SS man oversaw the
>>  confiscation of valuables and a further member of the Kommando had
>>  to drive the detainees into the so-called tube which led to the
>>  extermination camp. Once they were inside the so-called tube, which
>>  led them from the hut to the extermination camp, there was no longer
>>  any escape.

The only thing the Holocausters can achieve through testimony in the
absence of physical evidence is to present contradictions to other
testimonies, merely leaving open the question of who is to be
believed, accomplishing nothing more.   As such the nonsensical Tale
remains unsupported.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:23:29 -0700, 
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Paul Rodgers wrote:
>
>The Globe and Mail, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA,
>Thursday, November 21, 1996. Page A23
>
>A few last reflections on the Roux affair; Anti-semitism/
>Canadians outside Quebec should not smugly enjoy that province's
>wrestling with ugly parts of its past.
>
>by: Professor Irving Abella, professor of history and Jewish studies
>at York University of Toronto.
>
>There was a sad irony to the spectacle of English Canadians sitting
>back after the resignation of Jean-Luois Roux as Lieutenant-Governor
>of Quebec, and smugly enjoying the sight of French-Canadians trying to
>come to terms with some genuine ugliness in their past.
>
>Without question, Qu=E9b=E9cois have to confront a sordic record of
>anti-semitism and racism in the years before and during the Second
>World War. It was real, it was palpable,. and for its victims it was
>cruel and painful.

I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about it.  The fact is that
Jews don't give a shit about anyone but themselves and never have.
They kill, cheat, and lie for their own interests and that of Israel.
Just ask any Palestinian.  They'll do anything to further their own
interests:  kill American servicemen (U.S.S Liberty), terrorism, (the
King David Hotel bombing), agent provocateuring (SS Patria), or the
knowingly allowing terrorism and refusing to warn Americans in order
to whip up anti-Arab sentiment (the terrorist bombing of U.S.
Marines), or involving American boys in WWI to gain land for Jews (the
Balfour declaration).   We goys exist precisely as their Talmud
states:  as fodder for them, as slaves for them to exploit and conform
us to their view of morality, as their collective "cash cow."

>But frankly, English Canada's record was not much better. And we too
>ought to be reminded of the same shameful period in our history.
>Though English Canadians did not participate in anti-conscription
>demonstrations, they were almost as avid in their anti-Semitism and
>racism as their Quebec neighbours.

All healthy Europeans peoples are anti-Semitic, as they resist the
domination by an alien, hateful, supremacist people who continually
exploit the host people for the Jewish interest while duplicitously
posing as "loyal citizens."

>A young Bora Laskin returning to Toronto after a brillant legal record
>at Harvard was rejected by every law firms and university he applied
>to because of his religion. The future chief justice of Canada made a
>living by writting head-notes for a legal publisher at 50 cents a
>note. The Jews who did get jobs often had to change their names, and
>live in perpetual fear of being unmasked.

And the anti-semites, relying on consistent past Jewish history, were
right.  Look what happened.  Now Jews have stranglehold influence over
the Canadian government, the Canadian purse, and they control the
media.  And those who disagree with the spurious Jewish view of
history are put on trial and attacked, and Jews perpetually push for
stricter thought regulation.   The anti-Semites were right.  The
Jewish will is to subversion, domination, suppression, and
exploitation of their host people, to conform them for Jewish rule
through media brainwashing.  When are the Canadian people going to get
it right?

>If Jews found it difficult to find a job or receive an education, it
>was perhaps even more difficult to find a suitable place to live or
>vacation. Many sections of our cities were closed to Jewish residents
>or tenants by restrictive covenants. Jews could not buy home or rent
>apartment in many parts of Canada's cities. Signs were posted on many
>of the country's beaches and in many resort hotels informing Jews that
>they were not welcome. Who will ever forget the sign on some Ontario's
>beaches, " NO JEWS or DOGS ALLOWED"?

I admire the Ontario leaders for caring enough about the health and
welfare of their people to protect them from the Jewish scourge that
now rules them and dictates their morality, only because the people of
Ontario (and America) were foolish enough to permit Jews free rein.

Kurt Stele

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charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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On 19 Nov 1996 21:26:40 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>All this quibbling!  Of course, the real issue at hand here is not
>whether "Umfallen" means "to die, or "collapse from exhaustion".
>In fact,  it means the latter, and the use of "gefallen" means that 
>someone has died in action.  The REAL issue at hand here is whether
>Himmler ever uttered the words attributed to him at Posen.  There
>are, in fact, two versions of the same speech given at Posen, and
>when comparing the two, one may see that there is a difference
>in style and delivery.  I recently heard the audio version of Himmler
>making this alleged speech, and I must say that I was thoroughly
>disappointed.  The quality is horrendous, and I can see why one of
>the SS officers allegedly present at this speech was incapable of
>determining whether the voice in question was actually that of Himmler.
>Oswald Pohl, who also claimed to be present at this speech, remarked 
>that he had no idea what Himmler was even talking about!
>
>This speech is a very poor source to rely on in an attempt to prove that
>the Nazis were methodically carrying out a program of deliberately calcu-
>lated mass murder.  Even if Himmler uttered these words, what makes this
>speech any different from Ilya Ehrenburg's exhortations to mass murder or
>the hateful proclamations of Henry Morgenthau and Theodore Kaufmann?
>People are always so quick to shout out evil personified when the subject
>happens to be a "Nazi", much as the Nazis attributed evil personified to
>the shadowy figure of the "Jew".  Since over 50 years have elapsed since 
>the end of hostilities between the Axis and the Allies, I would think that
>a more enlightened and non-biased approach to examining the historical
>records would be in good order.

rb, you know as well as I do, that the Self-Chosen can't just let
bygones be bygones like every other people.  Jews are unique in this
aspect:  they have a vested interest in constantly stirring the pot,
constantly agitating, constantly guilt-mongering.   They simply
receive too many financial and political benefits from the Holofraud
to just "let it go".   The "Holocaust" was their biggest cash cow
ever, the best thing ever to not happen to them.  It built Israel and
it helps secure the flowing river of money to their economy, the
weapons to their military, and whitewashes their atrocities against
Palestinian civilians.   

Since the "holocaust" is now being exposed it is actually to the Jews'
best interest at this point in time to let these hokey tales of
anti-German propaganda quitely fade away -- but they can't.  They
won't.   It is the classic Jewish lack of all  proportion.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:44:54 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <3291cb05.261388@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>>         I see there were three responses to my first version in the
>> thread before I posted a new improved version. Seeing how it was so
>> miscombulated, I'm wondering how they even came to make a comment
>> about "defense" and "sources". I mean when I read it later, I couldn't
>> even make anything out of it.
>
>Simply said, "we" have had plenty of practice "recombobulating" the
>Moran's (tm) "miscombulated" drivel and pointing out his lies and
>stupidities therein. 
>
>> Thanks to Mr.VanAlstine though, for his contribution of some of
>> Mr.Ho'ss' diary. 
>
>My pleasure. Really. I enjoy pointing out the Moran's (tm) lies and
>stupidities. 
>
>Too bad, though, that the Moran (tm), as usual, has nothing of substance
>to say about it. Typical denier. (I'd say tupical stupid lying denier, but
>that's be an oxymoron. [Oxymoran?]) 
>
>[Moranic (tm) drivel snipped] 

The Ho'ss testimony and diary are both completely full of
contradictions. The memoirs assert that the sonderkommando were
"eating and smoking" while removing bodies "immediately after
gassing."  Hoess also admits in his memoirs that he was "assigned" to
write them.   

Such are the dubious sources on which the sorry tale is based.  And
that is their "star" witness.  Poor little hoax.

>The Moran (tm)  is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in
>blatant and offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial.
>The Moran (tm) generally conducted himself with such a complete lack of
>intellectual and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in
>taking the time to read and respond.  For detailed and documented evidence
>of this, please refer to:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization, tune
in any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of


"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:50:48 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>Mr. Giwer quotes an entire thread to Harry Mazelto post these two
>sentences, and of course, his huge .sig.
> 
>Let's take a vote... Which of the two gentlemen involved in this discussion
>is *really* not welcome here?
> 
>Sara

YOU'RE not welcome here in alt.revisionism you presumptious Nizkook
freak.   Why don't you take your phony cheeseball Holocaust (tm) crap
and go to hell?

Kurt Stele

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charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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Subject: Re: More lies and tortured confessions?
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On 20 Nov 1996 02:47:07 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>       "[S]eeing a baby ... crawling away from a ditch already filled with
>>       dead and dying villagers, [he] seized the child by the leg, threw it
>>       back in the pit, and shot it."

Actually this is the kind of stuff Jews do to Palestinians. 

http://www.flinet.com/~politics/intifada/if-ind.htm

The Jews -actually- do that sort of stuff -- that is why they project
it on to others.  However, had the Germans actually wanted Jews dead,
today there definitely wouldn't be all these old Jews calling
themselves "Deathcamp survivors," whining about how bad Hitler was.
And there certainly would be a whole lot more Palestinians alive
today.  Given a choice between Jews and Palestinians, I definitely
prefer Palestinians.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:43:28 GMT, pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) wrote:

>On 20 Nov 1996 10:31:22 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>>>   John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) writes:
>>>  In <56taum$9t6@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>>>  
>(dkeren's citation snipped for brevity)  
>>>  [snip]
>>>  
>>>  >When and where did this man give this testimony and before whom?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  You have the reference. Look it up.
>>>  
>>>  --
>>>   John Morris                                
>>>   at University of Alberta  
>>>  -- 
>>>  The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
>>>  
>>>>>>
>>Thanks for that instructive piece of advice.  Funny how I never
>>thought of it.  When I post something in the future and you happen
>>to ask for the source, I will be sure to give you the same answer, so
>>don't whine like a baby like you usually do when you get the reply you
>>deserve.
>I would hope that you will at some point in your cyber life gain some
>knowledge, you have been given the source for the quotes, it is
>entirely up to you now to look up the citation and spend some of your
>time and effort, both of which are in short supply and hardly of even
>the most dubious of quality.

Sure.  I'll just take your word for it Nizkook.
              
>Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
>Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?  
>European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/

Services held at 10:00 A.M. this Saturday and every Saturday.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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On 20 Nov 1996 08:34:54 GMT, schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard
Schultz) wrote:

>Capt. Peter Peachfuzz (myshkin@shotehgamur.com) wrote:
>
>: 	Thus, given current events, lets us consider that Krystallnacht was
>: perpetrated by Jews, as that is most likely.
>
>[Backing away slowly]
>
>Whatever you say, Matt.  Whatever you say.  Everything's going to be just
>fine.  No one's going to hurt you.
>
>Now why is there never a strait jacket around when you really need one?

           Free Speech Directory || National Alliance Main Page

                            F R E E S P E E C H


Vol. II, No. 7

                           A-Hoaxing We Will Go

                    A Litany of Ersatz Racist Incidents


by Kevin Alfred Strom


For the information contained in this article I am indebted to the
many correspondents who have sent me news items through the mail and
on the Internet, to Laird Wilcox's published work The Hoaxer Project,
to fellow broadcaster Jim Floyd, to the Aryan News Agency, and to many
others who have contributed to my "hoax archive."

In the predominantly Jewish neighborhoods of Borough Park and Flatbush
in Brooklyn, New York, rocks were thrown through windows of eight
Jewish-owned shops. News media across the nation reacted with alarm,
comparing the incidents to "Nazi atrocities" and calling for increased
vigilance against "anti-Semitism." Jewish pressure groups demanded and
got increased police patrols in their neighborhoods. The Jewish mayor
of New York City at the time, Ed Koch, offered a $10,000 reward for
the perpetrator. The Jewish Community Relations Council offered a
$5,000 reward. Finally, the police made an arrest in the case, and
charged the suspect with 14 counts of felonies and misdemeanors
relating to this supposed "hate crime."

The arrestee was a 38-year-old Jew named Gary Dworkin. As in most such
cases, it was alleged by the Jewish community that Dworkin was
mentally ill and deserved more sympathy than punishment.

Cui bono? Who benefits?

In Hartford, Connecticut, suspicious fires occurred at two synagogues
and at the homes of Rabbi Solomon Krupka and Jewish State
Representative Joan Kemler. Again comparisons were made in the media
to "Nazi" terrorism against Jews in Germany.

All across the nation, legislatures were lobbied for passage of "hate
crime" laws, with the supposedly "anti-Semitic" fires in Hartford
being a focus of concern. Armed Jewish Defense League thugs patrolled
the streets of West Hartford. Police staked out whole square blocks
and waited for another incident to occur.

Finally, the police had their suspect and his confession to all four
arsons. The perpetrator was none other than Barry Dov Schuss, a
17-year-old Jewish student, who had confessed to Rabbi Krupka days
before he told the truth to police. If a real "anti-Semite" had been
apprehended and convicted, the total sentence could have amounted to
virtually life in prison. But Schuss was a good Jewish boy. Schuss
stated to all who would listen that he had been an avid reader of
literature on the "Holocaust," and freely admitted that he had set the
fires to awaken the public to the dangers of "anti-Semitism." Schuss
received a suspended sentence, probation, and the ubiquitous -- in
these cases -- psychiatric treatment.

Cui bono? Who benefits?

In New York City there is a large housing cooperative called Co-op
City. A few years ago the residents there were shocked to discover the
presence of "anti-Semitic" graffiti and swastikas "daubed" on the
doors and walls of 51different apartments.

Once again the "anti-racist" publicity machine went into action, and
the spray-painting incident was publicized widely as another incident
of "racism" and "hate." A $3,500 reward was offered for information
leading to the apprehension of the "racists."

Subsequently two Jewish youths were charged with the vandalism, after
it had been determined that they lied to police and had also tried to
collect the reward money by turning in someone else. According to
police, these same Jews are also suspected of several other "racist"
and "anti-Semitic" incidents which had been publicly attributed to
"racists."

Cui bono? Who benefits?

In Basel, Switzerland, local Jews were frightened by an ongoing
campaign of anti-Jewish graffiti, harassment, and death threats.
Police investigation revealed that the sole culprit in these incidents
was a 23-year-old Jewish medical student named Philip Gotchel, member
of a prominent Jewish family in the area. If Gotchel had not been
discovered, who would have been blamed for these incidents?

Cui bono? Who benefits?

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:37:15 GMT, hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal
OBE) wrote:

>Mr. Beaulieu pproposed a theory.  He was proven quite wrong.  Time to
>move on, as Mr. Morris so aptly put it.                          

Matzeltoff wants to "move on" (ahem!) now that Suchomel's "interview"
is revealed to be another hoax.  Not so fast.  Keren quoted this
Suchomel "interview" for months.  Revisionists and the public should
be given an apology for this latest fraud from the Nizkooks.  Of
course, such integrity won't be forthcoming.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 20 Nov 1996 00:39:59 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  Testimony of SS Oberscharfuehrer Erich Bauer
>>  [Quoted in "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - the Operation Reinhard 
>>  Death Camps", Indiana University Press - Yitzhak Arad, 1987, p. 77]
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>  Usually the undressing went smoothly. Subsequently, the Jews were
>>  taken through the "tube" to Camp III - the real extermination
>>  camp. The transfer through the "tube" proceeded as follows: one
>>  SS man was in the lead and five or six Ukrainian auxiliaries were
>>  at the back hastening the Jews along. The women were taken through a 
>>  barracks where their hair was cut off. In Camp III the Jews were
>>  received by an SS man... As I already mentioned, the motor was then
>>  switched on by Gotringer and one of the auxiliaries whose name I
>>  don't remember. Then the gassed Jews were taken out.
>>  
>>  
>>>>>
>Of course you have proof to support this man's story, other
>than more "eyewitness" testimonies?

Why of course not!  Are you implying that the entire Holohoax can't be
pieced together merely using a string of contradictory eyewitness
testimonies corroborated in circular fashion without physical
evidence?   Why, your questiion goes completely AGAINST the Standard
Holocaust Historical Method (U):  a special method which only the
Holocaust is privileged to use in order arrive at "irrefutable fact"
(snort)!

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:39:24 GMT, John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John
Morris) wrote:

>In <56tkhf$lko@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>>  Testimony of Hauptschrfuehrer Gustav Labs
>>>  [Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
>>>  Use of Poison gas, edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
>>>  A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 87]
>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>[snip]
>
>>SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Bothmann-who conveniently "hanged"
>>himslef while in British custody in Heide, 1946.  How curious it
>>is that most, if not all of the people who received eventual blame
>>for the "extermination" of the Jews, all disappeared mysteriously
>>or else "committed suicide" while in custody.  
>
>You mean like Stangl and Suchomel?

The illustrious Suchomel interview is a hoax, with the "hidden camera"
focusing in on Suchomel.  

>You will, of course, provide evidence of your assertion in the form of
>a list of all the people blamed for the extermination of Jews marking
>those who committed suicide in custody.

You will of course provide a list of every Jew who purportedly died in
the Holohoax, correct?

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: 'I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp'
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On 19 Nov 1996 22:12:13 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>  Professor Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Waffen-SS hygienist, on a gassing 
>  at Belzec
>  [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
>  Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 238-244]
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  When I am asked about executions of Jews I must confirm that on 19 August
>  1942 I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp. I
>  would like to describe how I came to be there. During my conversations
>  with SS-Brigadefuehrer Globocnik, he told me about the large
>  spinning-mills that he had set up in Belzec. He also mentioned that
>  work at this camp would considerably outstrip German production. When
>  I asked him where the spinning materials came from, he told me proudly>  that they had come from the 
>Jews. At this point he also mentioned the
>  extermination actions against the Jews, who for the most part were
>  killed at the the camp at Belzec...
>
>Well, this is curious in itself, as most of the Jews were allegedly killed
>at Auschwitz, not Belzec.  It makes me question his source.  At any rate,
>this is second had information.
>  
>  During this first visit I was taken to around by a certain
>  Polizieihauptmann named Wirth,
>
>Curiously, Wirth, disappeared from the pages of time, never to be
>found again.
>
> who also showed and explained to me the
>  extermination installations at the camp. He told me that the following
>  morning a new transport of about 500 Jews would be arriving at the
>  camp who would be channeled through these extermination chambers. He
>  asked me whether I would like to watch one of these extermination
>  actions, to which, after a great deal of reflection, I consented. I
>  planned to submit a report to the Reichsarzt-SS about the
>  extermination actions.
>
>Of course this report exists?
>
> In order to write a report I had, however,
>>  first to observe an action with my own eyes. I remained in the camp,
>>  spent the night there and was witness to the following events the next
>>  morning.
>>  
>>  A goods train traveled directly into the camp of Belzec, the freight
>>  cars were opened and Jews whom I believe were from the area of Romania
>>  or Hungary were unloaded. The cars were crammed fairly full. There
>>  were men, women and children of every age. They were ordered to get
>>  into line and then had to proceed to an assembly area and take off
>>  their shoes...
>
>Mr. Keren can confirm that Jews were deported from these areas in
>1942?
>>  
>>  After the Jews had removed their shoes they were separated by sex. The
>>  women went together with the children into a hut. There their hair was
>>  shorn and they had to get undressed... The men went into another hut,
>>  where they received the same treatment. I saw what happened in the
>>  women's hut with my own eyes. After they had undressed, the whole
>>  procedure went fairly quickly. They ran naked from the hut through a
>>  hedge into the actual extermination centre. The whole extermination
>>  centre looked just like a normal delousing institution. In front of
>>  the building there were pots of geraniums and a sign saying "Hackenholt
>>  Foundation", above which there was a star of David. The building was
>>  brightly and pleasantly painted so as not to suggest people would be
>>  killed here...
>>  
>>  Inside the buildings, the Jews had to enter chambers into which was
>>  channeled the exhaust of a [100(?)]-HP engine, located in the same
>>  building. In it there were six such extermination chambers. They were
>>  windowless, had electric lights and two doors. One door led outside so
>>  that the bodies could be removed.  People were led from a corridor
>>  into the chambers through an ordinary air-tight door with bolts. There
>>  was a glass peep-hole, as I recall, next to the door in the wall.
>>  Through this window one could watch what was happening inside the room
>>  but only when it was not too full of people. After a short time the
>>  glass became steamed up. When the people had been locked in the room
>>  the motor was switched on and then I suppose the stop-valves or vents
>>  to the chambers opened.  Whether they were stop-valves or vents I
>>  would not like to say. It is possible that the pipe led led directly
>>  to the chambers. Once the engine was running, the light in the
>>  chambers was switched off. This was followed by palpable disquiet in
>>  the chamber. In my view it was only then that the people sensed
>>  something else was in store for them. It seemed to me that behind the
>>  thick walls and door they were praying and shouting for help.
>>  
>>>>>Well, this sounds horrific, but can it be confirmed independently by
>evidence, as well as other statements by other witnesses?  Also, how did
>Pfannenstiel happen to make this statement?
>

The Holocaust Keren presents more "testimony" without physical
evidence.  Same old shit, different day.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:48:52 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <570g3q$tnf@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:
>
>> mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <56rcb3$uv1@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu 
>wrote:
>> > 
>> > [snip]
>> > 
>> > >  The claim of a hidden camera in a bag is ludicrous.
>> > 
>> > Not nearly as ludicrous as Mr. Beaulieu's claims that an actor played the
>> > part of Suchomel, etc.
>> > 
>> > Isn't it about time that this sad farce of Mr. Beaulieu's be put to rest? 

I think it's about time Suchomel bogus testimony be put to rest, and
thrown on the growing junkyard heap of worthless "eyewitness"
testimonies, where it belongs..

First explain the "hidden camera" of this "secret" interview.  

>>  I've see those minutes about the interview perhaps 20 or 25
>>  times. 
>
>And you _still_ can't figure it out? Pretty sad....

Surely Nizkook Snake oil salesman and synagogue (bodily) functionary
Van Schmalzstink would give a crack at the Suchomel farce, no?  What's
the matter Van Schmaltzstink, your Nizkook mail-drop masters forbade
you on the matter?

>[Mr. Beaulieu's drivel snipped]
>
>For those interested in Mr. Allen's prolific Holocaust denial and crackpot
>"theories," please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois/beaulieu-misrepresents-hoess
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois/shoah-suchomel-faked.01

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization, tune
in any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of


"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:02:19 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <56unqt$lbf@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>> For the record, I want to say that I was accused by Mike Curtis 
>> of distorting the text in the book, "The Belsen Trial".  This was
>> an out and out lie.  
>
>Yes, it was an out an lie. You should be ashamed of yourself for such
>blatant lies, Frau"lien Schwarzesel!

Sewage-guzzling Nizkook-apparatchik Marred Van Smellstein pops the
clutch and stalls AGAIN!

>For those interested in proof of Frau"lien Schwarzesel's increasingly
>irrelevent scumbag Nazi apologia and lies, please visit:

For those interested in the impotent scribblings of Holocaust Shaman
Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are foolish --  in an
amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up
with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic feces collector, tune in
any old day of the year to:

Alt.revisionism.   Look under any post of "Mark Van Alstine."

Bring both coffee and a bucket.

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele


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On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 05:54:35 GMT, ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete
spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:02:12 -0500, GOLEM	 
>wrote:
>
>In George Bailey's book, "GERMANS," he states that the many
>>Germans who were interviewed at the time of the Eichman trial,
>>who were over 40 years old, most said, the Jews brought the
>>"Final Solution" upon themselves because "they crucified our
>>Lord, Jesus Christ."
>
>Nazism is to Christianity what shit is to food.

You're actually correct, though precisely in reverse.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: 'I only gassed them'
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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:50:44 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>Erich Gnewuch testifies about gassings in Nazi-occupied USSR, 1942-3
>[Quoted in "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History of the
>Use of Poison Gas", edited by E. Kogon, H. Langbein, and
>A. Rueckerl, Yale University Press, 1993, p. 57-9]

^^^^^^

Another come-lately book with more "never heard before" testimony:
another gap-fill measure from exterminationists in response to the
gassing myth's deterioration.

Someday they may actually get around to presenting physical evidence
for this "irrefutable" (sic) Tale.   Until then all they'll ever have
is simply more uncorroborated "Holocaust" "eyewitness testimony":  the
kind anyone can now produce in the privacy of one's own home.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 









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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:33:30 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>Specifically, Frau"lien Schwarzesel puts forward a strawman argument in
>regard to the Soviet Extraordinary Commission's findings to poison the
>Polish Extraordinary Commission's findings by guilt from association. This
>all the while never offering any germane evidence to the issue for her
>allegations against the Soviet Extraordinary Commission as it relates to 
>Polish Extraordinary Commission's findings. To top it all off Frau"lien
>Schwarzesel then asks the reader to defer to her ersatz authority on the
>matter! 

It's all crap and you know it shit-guzzler.

>Such chutzpuh!

Such Smallstine idiocy.

>In summary, the list of arguable fallacies committed by Frau"lien
>Schwarzesel here is rather impressive for so brief a (false and
>misleading) statement:
>
>1. Straw Man.
>2. Ad Hominem Tu Quoque.
>3. Poisoning the Well.
>4. Guilt By Association.
>5. Appeal to Authority

Here's van Smallstein's:

1)  obfuscation
2)  quack pseudo-science
3)  ad hominem
4)  guilded dung
5)  delusion
6)  snake oil selling
7)  self-contradictory garbage

For those interested in the impotent scribblings of Holocaust Shaman
and Nizkook untergruppenfuhrer Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as
they are foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and
regurgitated offal presented with the flair of a seasoned and
enthusiastic feces sculptor, tune in any old day of the year to:

Alt.revisionism.   Look under any post of "Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, mace, a gas mask, and more diapers for van
Smellstein.  

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 'I witnessed an execution of Jews at Belzec extermination camp'
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:44:35 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <56tbbt$9t6@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Well, this is curious in itself, as most of the Jews were allegedly killed
>> at Auschwitz, not Belzec.  It makes me question his source.  At any rate,
>> this is second had information.
>
>The only curiosity here is Frau"lien Schwarzesel and her rampant
>ignorance. (But then, what can one _really_ expect from a juvenile
>denier?) 

Van Schmaltzstink continues to eructate his noxious prevarications
throughout the forum.   Not content to providing his body for the
satyric joys of his Nizkook masters in the Synagogue's inner sanctum
(and his own), he seeks further expression of his debased urges by
continually and openly propositioning rb, in self-abased hatred of Van
Schmaltzstink's own jealous sexual ambiguity.

>For those interested in proof of Frau"lien Schwarzesel's increasingly
>irrelevent scumbag Nazi apologia and lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization, tune
in any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of


"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:43:04 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>> Thanks for that instructive piece of advice.  Funny how I never
>> thought of it.  
>
>When one entertains the distinct possiblity that Frau"lien Schwarzesel is
>an empty-headed and anti-social teenager without any morals, such advice
>isn't funny at all.... (More like a _neccessity_.) 

You're a discredited dipshit Van Smellstein.

>[Frau"lien Schwarzesel's vapid and juvenile insults snipped]
>
>For those interested in proof of Frau"lien Schwarzesel's increasingly
>irrelevent scumbag Nazi apologia and lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and specious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor, tune in any old day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism.   Look
under any post of: 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, lysol, and pepto bismol.  

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele



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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:11:13 GMT, chief@rabbi.com (Nizkor's handler)
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:12:26 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
>Alstine) wrote:
>
>>> >Your nit-picking over Nyiszli's ommision of such minutae, for example,
>>> >makes one wonder as to your motivations. "nit-picking"?  Missing the lenght 
>>> > of the gas chamber by 450 feet is minutae?  
>>
>>Whining about the "iron ramp" is. Whining about the height of the ceiling
>>in the L.Keller is. Whining about Nysizli not mentioning the vestibule
>>between the L.Kellers is. 
>
>	Between the two LKs, right?  BETWEEN the two, as in LK I and LK II
>right?  
>
>	As in those two buildings that were behind KR II and KR III right? 
>
>	The same KR II and KR III that fact each other, right?  That face
>each other with two rail lines and a main road between them?  
>
>	That a hell of big AND DEEP and reinforced "vestibule" to connect
>them, don't you think?  But of course, that is an accurate
>description.  
>
>	What you call "whining" is clearly a person describing something he
>never saw and does not exist.  

Van Schmalzstink is whining because despite his pretentious posturings
and drooling apoplectic tantrums, the obvious contradictions and
ridiculous claims of the shoddy testimonies he must rely on to
compensate for the "holocaust"'s utter lack of physical evidence, did
not escape the notice of the goyim he is trying to fool.   Obviously
Van Schmalzstink's Nizkook Synagogue handlers wil not be happy to hear
of his failures.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.

>http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web 
>Pages of Zionism 
>http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
>http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
>http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
>http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
>http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
>http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The Leuchter Report
>http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
>http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (Bradley Smith) 
>http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
>http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
>d'Holocauste (also in English)  
>http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
>http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
>http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 



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On 23 Nov 1996 18:55:47 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>   mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:
>  In article <5767am$kof@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>  
>>  For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>>  Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
>For those interested in Mark's insipid drivel, refer to his past and present
>posts (Although I can't imagine why anyone would want to)

Tsk, tsk.   Poor Mark.  So much of his time invested into what turned
out to be just another run-of-the-mill propagandistic war hoax, and
quite a shoddy one at that.  

But since he joined himself up (in more ways than one) with the
Nizkook Synagogue, he can't seem to extract himself from it.
Religion can be quite captivating.  

Kurt Stele
 
"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Himmler Talks About the Jews, II
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On 20 Nov 1996 02:27:43 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  Speech by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler at Kharkow, April 1943
>>  [Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. 
>>  Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 572-574]
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------
>>  We have - I would say, as very consistent National Socialists,
>>  taken the question of blood as our starting point. We were the
>>  first really to solve the problem of blood by action, and in
>>  this connection, by problem of blood, we of course do not
>>  mean antisemitism. Antisemitism is exactly the same as delousing.
>>  Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology. It is a 
>>  matter of cleanliness.
>>   
>>  
>>  
>>>>>
>Compare Himmler's comments with those of the jewish publisher
>Theodore Kaufmann, who wrote:
>
>There is no longer any alternative:  Germany must perish!...This
>analagous linking of the people of Germany with savage beast 
>is no vulgar comparison.  I feel no more personal hatred for these
>people than I might feel for a herd of wild animals or a cluster of
>poisonous reptiles.....They are but beasts; they must be dealt with
>as such.......(the Germans serve as) "hypodermics through which
>the malignant bacilli of Germanism was being syringed into the 
>bloodstream....."
>
>Of course, Mr. Kaufmann really didn't MEAN what he said, did he?
>And his ideas were NEVER put into effect, were they?
>Think again, dear readers.
>
>Quotes from:  Germany Must Perish, by Theodore Kaufmann,
>N.J. 1941.

The Jewish MO:  lying about the atrocities of another to cover up
their own.  

Kurt Stele


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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:37:25 -0700, 
wrote:

>Southam News in Canada reports today, Saturday November 23 1996, in its'
>newspapers agross Canada that the Jews are again trying to close down the
>ZUNDELSITE on WWW.
>
>The ZUNDELSITE in fact is not even operating from Canada, but from the
>USA.
>
>Max Yalden, who is a Jew, and is the chief human rights commissioner in
>Canada is trying to act on the complaint of another JEW, Sabina Citron of
>Toronto.
>
>David Jones, president of Electronic Frontier Canada, an organisation
>concerned about Internet issues feels that the Canadian commission is
>exceeding its' legal mandate in trying to regulate the Internet. Further,
>Jones feels that the Canadian organisation has no jurisdiction over
>Zundel's Website, which is based in the USA.
>
>Jones, who is a professor at McMaster University in Hamilton,Canada
>supports freedom of speech. He is quoted as saying,"Should people be able
>to say offensive and racist things? Yes, that's what free speech is all
>about."
>
>Zundel is more forthright in his comments regarding this latest
>harrassment by the JEWS.
>
>Zundel states "It's basically more Jewish individuals abusing the power
>that they have thanks to the Canadian taxpayer in trying to shut up an
>uncomfortable critic."
>
>The ZUNDELSITE is a repository for historical revisionist reports, such as
>" Did Six Million Really Die?", as well as other reports questioning
>whether six million jews really died at the hands of the Nazis during
>WWII.
>
>Send support messages to Zundel, or Dr. Ingrid Rimland, at
>irimland@cts.com
>
>Support freedom of speech and expression.

Boy, those Jews are trying their darndest to prevent freedom of
expression and inquiry.  They'd shut down revisionism on the Internet
in a heartbeat if they could, in the way they have criminalized
revisionism in Germany and France, and are in the forefront of
Orwellian "hate crime" laws in England, Canada, and now the U.S.   

Those familiar with Jewish history and the Jewish ADL realize this
latest Jewish effort to shut down the Zundelsite is only par for the
course.

http://www.natvan.com/ADV/ADV052993.HTML

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Himmler Talks About the Jews, I
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:50:20 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <56tppq$lko@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Back to Posen again! 
>
>[Frau"lien Schwarzesel's Nazi apologia snipped]
>
>...That perhaps Mr. McVay would extend his cordial invititation to
>Frau"lien Schwarzesel? This would allow the juvenile Frau"lien Schwarzesel
>to back up her big mouth with her allowance. 

Van Schmaltzstink continues to eructate his noxious prevarications
throughout the forum.   Not content to providing his body for the
satyric joys of his Nizkook masters in the Synagogue's inner sanctum
(and his own), he seeks further expression of his debased urges by
continually and openly propositioning rb, in self-abased hatred of Van
Schmaltzstink's own jealous sexual ambiguity.

>For those interested in proof of Frau"lien Schwarzesel's increasingly
>irrelevent scumbag Nazi apologia and lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization, tune
in any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of


"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 





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On 23 Nov 96 21:52:07 GMT, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

> writes:
>
>>Southam News in Canada reports today, Saturday November 23 1996, in its'
>
>
>There is no such word as "its'", Grubby.

Joel the Wanna-be-Tolkien geek dishes out more gratuitous English
lessons as if anyone gives a shit.   That's evidently all he can do,
since his own pulp fantasies are so God-awful bad.  He apologizes for
this by asserting that he has sold numbers of his dreadfuls, as if
that in any indication of quality.  McDonald's boasts 20 Billion
served.  I'll post sections of this oaf's "writing" (sic).

What happened to your URL Joel, with that goofy picture of you?  Did
you remove it out of embarrassment?  I don't blame you.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 




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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:14:14 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
wrote:

>Chuck Ferree submits the following re the lil natsiewannabe turd.
>
>
>Nizkor FTP file: people/s/stele.kurt/false-and-justified
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>From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Subject: Jewish Allegiance is to Israel First
>Date: 9 Sep 1996 12:04:16 -0400
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>Annie Alpert  wrote:
>
>>Kurt Stele wrote:
>
>>> 34 dead, 171 casualties.  A massacre all the same.
>>> Where is the U.S.S. Liberty monument in Washington D.C.?  Where is the
>>> Shpielberg films about it?
>
>>For the record, the USS Liberty was engaged in spyiny against our ally
>>(whether you like to admit it or not).  The Liberty was a spy ship. 
>>Israel is our ally.  Read it and weep.  
>
>Annie Albert, et al. believes murdering Americans for Israel is OK.
>
>Annie Albert et al. says because Americans were spying on Israel, 34
>Americans deserved to die to protect Israel's interests.  Had the
>American's done the same to Israel Annie would be crying 
>"anti-semitism."
>
>In other words, Annie Albert's allegiance, like that of most other 
>jews,
>is not to America but to Israel.
>
>Jews whenever it comes down to it will choose Israel and their fellow 
>jews
>over the nation they inhabit. They are "a nation within a nation" as 
>they
>have always been.
>
>Is it any wonder why Jews are always considered "aliens" in every 
>nation
>they inhabit?  They erect the facade they are "Americans" or "French" 
>or
>"German" when in reality they are really "Jews" first. It is yet 
>another
>great hoax by history's greatest hoaxsters.
>
>Because of the Jewish false allegiance, the Geman regime was well
>justified in removing jews -- a group of people with disproportionate
>prominence, alien values, a subversive influence on the host 
>population,
>and allegiance only to themselves.  
>
>-Had- the nazis committed the Holocaust, they would have been 
>justified,
>because Annie said it is OK to murder another people in order to 
>further
>the interests of one's own.   
>
>Jews can't complain about the Holocaust, even if true.  Jews butcher 
>other
>people to further their own interest -- precisely what they accused 
>nazi's
>of. Annie says this is justified.  Therefore, Jews owe us back a 
>shitload
>of money they pilferred for a Holocaust that, aside from being false, 
>was
>justified.
>
>Jews have nothing to bitch about.
>
>Jews will probably respond to this post with claptrap about "jewish
>servicemen" who fought on the American side, and other claims the 
>jews'
>allegiance is really to their host country, and that they don't favor
>their own people first.  
>
>When it comes down to it however, jewish allegiance is to Israel and 
>their
>own.  They are an alien people who inhabit a host country, exploit it, 
>and
>fuck it up, but they have no allegiance to anyone except their own.
>
>They are hypocrites, liars, and destroyers.  They are utterly 
>impoverished
>in the creation of high art.  Schmaltz and kitsch lies deep in the 
>Jewish
>race soul. This explains the Holohoax.
>
>Kurt Stele
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
>To: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
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>Holocaust-denial in a nutshell.
>
>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>
>> Therefore, Jews owe us back a shitload
>> of money they pilferred for a Holocaust that, aside from being false, was
>> justified.
>
>Archived as
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/s/stele.kurt/false-and-justified
>
>Posted/emailed.
>-- 
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>From: kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>Subject: Re: Jewish Allegiance is to Israel First
>Date: 9 Sep 1996 18:11:17 -0400
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>I wrote:
>
>>Jews can't complain about the Holocaust, even if true.  Jews butcher
>other
>>people to further their own interest -- precisely what they accused
>nazi's
>>of. Annie says this is justified.  Therefore, Jews owe us back a shitload
>>of money they pilferred for a Holocaust that, aside from being false, was
>>justified.
>
>Yet jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
>
>>Holocaust-denial in a nutshell.
>
>>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>
>>> Therefore, Jews owe us back a shitload
>>> of money they pilferred for a Holocaust that, aside from being false,
>was
>>> justified.
>
>notice how he truncated the passage.
>
>Just like a holohugger.
>
>I could care less.  
>
>They are liars.  Their myth is crumbling.  That is what counts.
>
>Kurt Stele
>
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>kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>
>> notice how he truncated the passage.
>> 
>> Just like a holohugger.
>
>Notice how, in the archive on Nizkor, I included your whole article,
>so people could read every stinking, nasty word you wrote.
>
>Posted/emailed.
>
>--
> Jamie McCarthy          http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
> jamie@voyager.net        Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
> Hate mail will be posted.

(satisfied sigh).  That was like walking down memory lane.  It makes
me almost want to overlook the Nizkooks' ongoing copyright
infringements.  You chose good excerpts too.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

>                               [ people/s/stele.kurt ] 
>
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>webmaster@nizkor.org 
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On 24 Nov 1996 06:38:27 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon)
wrote:

>In article <3295c636.3302091@news.zippo.com>,
>Chris Carpenter  wrote:
>>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:21:01 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>>wrote:
>[snip]
>
>>>You suppose it could have had something to do with the
>>>fact that Germany was ruled by someone who wrote, a few
>>>years earlier, that Jews are vermin, etc, and expressed
>>>his desire to see Jews killed by poison gas?
>
>>Did Hitler throw the first punch when he said Jews were vermin?
>
>No.  Modern antisemitism often traces its roots back to 
>Martin Luther, who made some harsh statements abou Jews. 
>
>Additionally, German Political anti-semitism was an issue
>from time to time during the 10th century.
>
>I'm curious, are you hoping to lay the blame of anti-semitism
>on the Jews themselves? If not, i wonder why you would post
>these quotes of yours. 
>
>It's all a red herring, i'm afraid. I could just as easily 
>bring in quotes from klansman and National Alliance blockheads, 
>would you then conclude that all whites are hateful based on 
>these select few?  Jews are no more immune to hatred than anyone
>else, just because you found a few kooks and quoted them means
>nothing.
>
>Brian Harmon  
>------
>Human memory is the glue that bonds the massive
>physical evidence into a coherent and unified history. 
>
>

Anti-semitism is quite old and is the natural and healthy response of
the host population to the inevitable effort by Jews to dominate,
exploit, and/or subvert their host nation for Jewish interest
financially and/or spiritually.

Kurt Stele

"The Jewish Question exists wherever Jews live in perceptible numbers.
Where it does not exist, it is carried by Jews in their migrations.
Our presence produces persecution.  The Jewish Question is no more a
social than a religious one.  It is a national question which can only
be solved by makingit a political WORLD question."

Theodor Herzl, the father of modern Zionism (from _The Jewish State_,
written in 1895).  


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On 19 Nov 96 15:09:05 GMT, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>impoverished@shtetl.com (Swiss bank billions) writes:
>
>>On 18 Nov 1996 12:55:25 +0100, nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>
>>>Did Hitler Commit the Unforgivable Sin?
>>>
>>>No, not according to any generally accepted account of
>>>history and the Christian religion.  (See The Gospel.)
>
>>	Jews are not the forgiving type.  IT is not in their religion, only
>>vengence, blind, unyielding vengence.  
>
>Yeah, you murder a few million of their people and they don't
>forgive.  
>
>How durned unChristian, eh, nutsy?

That's funny:  Jews moaned about Russian anti-Semitism after Jewish
controlled Bolshevism wiped out millions of Russians, and Jews headed
Soviet secret police deathsquads.   I guess Russians have every right
to be anti-Semitic since Jews murdered more than a few of their
people.  So do Arabs.   

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On 22 Nov 1996 18:47:04 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  The following photos are in
>>  
>>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
>>  
>>  They are all scanned from "The Belsen Trial" - Edited by R. Phillips,
>>  William Hodge and Company, 1949.  
>>  
>>  belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.
>>  belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.
>>  belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.
>>  belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.
>>  belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.
>>           
>>  The following photos, of some of the SS staff in Belsen (and before
>>  that, in Auschwitz-Birkenau) are in:
>>         
>>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bormann.juana/images/
>>  
>>  Bormann.jpg: Juana Bormann, murderous SS-woman (served in Auschwitz 
>>               and Belsen). 
>>  
>>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hoessler.franz/images/
>>  
>>  Hoessler.jpg: SS-officer Franz Hoessler in front of a truckload of
>>                corpses in Belsen.
>>  
>>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kramer.joseph/images/
>>  
>>  Kramer.jpg:   Joseph Kramer, who served as commandant of Auschwitz
>>                II (Birkenau) and later Belsen.                       
>>  
>>  
>>  -Danny Keren.
>>  
>>>>>
>Her........er's Danny!  Once again reposting old trash that has
>been successfully rebutted time and time again.  Note his usual
>style-resource to photos which are prima facie horrendous-however,
>let's note the following in a brief recap-
>
>1.  His comment referring to fat SS women.
>Many of these SS women were employed by the administrative office 
>and had little or nothing to do with the detainees.  Also, these women fortunately
>did not become infected with typhus or the other dreadful diseases carried by
>a great number of camp inmates.  But Danny would clap his chubby little hands
>with glee if he had pictures of these same women dying or starving to death.
>What a sick little man, who apparently gets his thrills ogling over such
>horrible scenes.
>
>2.  Kramer-the kommandant was actually kommandant of Belsen for only
>THREE MONTHS, during which he sent a number of appeals for help
>to his superiors, which, aside from a brief visit to the camp by Oswald Pohl
>and Hoess, resulted in no tangible results, other than the construction of
>some new and desperately needed barracks.  Even this was turned against
>the doomed kommandant with the pre-ordained sentence.  A lying, perjuring
>"witness", one of thousands, later testified in court that these barracks were
>really "gas chambers"!  The problem with the conditions in the camp was
>aggravated by the inmates, who turned the camp into a huge trash disposal
>area, defecating and urinating whenever and wherever it happened to suit
>their fancy, thus facilitating the spread of infectious diseases.   Also, when
>Kramer was given the assignment as kommandant of Belsen, his superior,
>Pohl, misrepresented the situation.  He told Kramer that he was to be named
>kommandant over a camp which was to have served as a rest and rehabilitation
>center.  Consequently, Kramer thought he would have a relatively easy assignment.
>Little did he know that this assignment would lead to his death, though not before
>being grieviously mistreated and tortured by the British authorities.  In fact, Belsen
>did not live up to the promises made to Kramer by hios superiors.  The seriously ill
>were sent to Belsen by the THOUSANDS during the last 2 months of the war.  Many
>were infected with communicable diseases, which spread rapidly in the filth infested
>camp.  Curiously, camp two in Belsen remained unaffected by the epidemics.  Why?
>Because housed in camp two were the original inhabitants of the camp, who were not
>mixed with the new arrivals.  That is why one will see many people in the camp who 
>appear to be in good condition.  Finally, thanks to Kramer isolating the children from
>the adults, they were good health when the camp was handed over to the British
>authorities on instructions from Kramer himself, who clearly recognized his
>incapacity to deal with a catastrophic situation caused by the influx of ill prisoners
>whom he could not turn away in any case.  It is impossible to state how and why the
>child in the photo offered by Keren died.  What remains a fact is that the overwhelming majority
>of children were in good health.  Note that the British authorities were unable to prevent
>thousands of people from dying even with the best medical help available at the time.

Hardly the behavior of people trying to "exterminate" Jews is it?  

No.

It never ceases to amaze me that the Holocausters can persist in their
claims despite the fact that had the Nazis' intent been to exterminate
Jews there obviously wouldn't have been a single Jew left standing in
the camp at liberation.  The Germans had every opportunity to kill
them, and if the Holocaust theory is true, they had every reason to do
so as well.

Amazing the sheer idiocy of the Tale.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On 20 Nov 1996 00:15:50 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  Letter from Hoppner, higher SS and Police leader in the Warthegau, to
>>  SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Eichmann, July 16 1941
>>  [Documents of Destruction - R. Hilberg, Quadrangle Books, Chicago, 1971, 
>>  p. 87]
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  Enclosed is a memorandum on the results of various discussions held
>>  locally in the office of the Reich Governor...
>>   
>>  Subject: Solution of the Jewish question
>>   .
>>   .
>>   
>>  4) This winter there is a danger that not all of the Jews can be fed
>>     anymore. One might weigh honestly, if the most humane solution
>>     might not be to finish off those of the Jews who are not employable
>>     by means of some quick-working device. At any rate, that would be
>>     more pleasant than to let them starve to death.
>>  5) For the rest, the proposal was made that in this camp all the Jewish
>>     women, from whom one could still expect children, should be
>>     sterilized so that the Jewish problem may actually be solved
>>     completely with this generation.
>>   
>>  
>>  
>>>>>
>Perhaps Mr. Keren will now supply us with a copy of 
>Eichmann's reply from this alleged communication from
>a man who had no authority to implement policies and
>directed his letter to a minor official like Eichmann?

Keren just belches out the same old discredited nonsense without any
heed to context or accuracy, or reliability.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On 20 Nov 1996 02:18:34 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>Back to Posen again!  This is hardly conclusive evidence of an
>extermination plan.  There are, in fact, 2 versions of this alleged speech
>and both of them differ in content, tone, and style, even thought they were
>given only 2 days apart.  The recording said to have been made of this
>"secret speech" is unconvincing and does not correspond with Himmler's
>hand written notes of the same, which survived the war and may now be seen
>at the Smithsonian.  The "damaging" excerpts of a very POOR quality recording
>could be the work of a clever interpolater.  The circumstances under which
>these recordings were found are highly suspicious.  Many of the Generals
>who attended these speeches did not remember that himmler had even made
>such comments and others did not believe that the voice on the recording
>was that of Himmler.  So, back to the drawing board, Dan.

Dan-bot loves to spam out the same meaningless crap, doesn't he?

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:35:40 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <56um6c$lbf@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>> >  >>>>>
>> >  >And what is this supposed to prove?
>> >  
>> >  Are you really too stupid to figure that out?
>> >  
>> >>>>
>> Do you think I am?  
>
>Indeed I do, Frau"lien Schwarzesel. You continually evidence the
>intellectual vaccuity that only a brainless and gullible juvenile
>delinquent can. You are, in essence, the perfect cannon fodder for your
>Nazi handlers. 
>
>Pity you didn't take up something more constructive besides whoring for
>the professional Holocaust deniers. Like body piercing, for instance.... 

Van Schmaltzstink continues to eructate his noxious prevarications
throughout the forum.   Not content to providing his body for the
satyric joys of his Nizkook masters in the Synagogue's inner sanctum
(which is to say his own), he seeks further expression of his debased
urges by continually and openly propositioning rb, in self-abased
hatred of Van Schmaltzstink's own jealous sexual ambiguity.

>For those interested in proof of Frau"lien Schwarzesel's increasingly
>irrelevent scumbag Nazi apologia and lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization, tune
in any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of


"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:34:58 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

> "Today I will once more be a prophet:  If the international Jewish
>financiers inside and outside Europe should again succeed in plunging
>the nations into a world war, the result will be...the annhilation of
>the Jewish race throughout Europe."
>
>     - Adolf  Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag;  January 30, 1939.

Why did never issue any order to kill Jews if that was Hitler's
intent?   Oops!

Kurt Stele

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  



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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 02:38:27 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>Or could it be that Frau"lien Schwarzesel was simply being a juvenile
>deliquent and lying about such things? Could it be that Frau"lien
>Schwarzesel _hasn't_ the slightest clue as to what she posts? Could it be
>that Frau"lien Schwarzesel is nothing more than a vaccuous teenage puppet
>whose strings are pulled by others? 

Could it be that Van Smellstein is another Nizkook slimeball with
historical pretensions?   

>Ah, The Nazi Puppet Masters. (Fits right in there with Nazi UFOs at the
>South Pole, don't it?) How macabe.

It was amusing watching Mr. Allen clean your clock.   I don't think
those at Nizkook High Command (i.e., at the synagogue) are going to
appreciate you falling on you butt in so dramatic a public
humiliation.  You may end up being called down from Alt.Revisionism
and banished to mail-drop status like McOiVay was, by your Jewish
masters, Van Schmaltzstink. 

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor, tune in on any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism.   Look
under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele



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On 22 Nov 1996 20:10:59 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>I am a revisionist and I will say only this:  until we are provided with
>conclusive forensic evidence that masses of human beings were
>murdered at Treblinka, which has not been provided to date, anything
>Mr. Suchomel had to say on the subject is irrelevant.  People also
>confessed to being witches and licking the devils behind.  People can and
>do confess to almost everything, up to being abducted by aliens. 
>Mr, Lanzmann's film is a long and boring curiosity, filled with statements
>by eyewitnesses who miraculously lived to tell about alleged crimes
> which have never been proven by independent physical evidence.
>  If such were available the Soviets would have been the first to
> produce it after their embarrassment over the mass murders at Katyn
>. In a way, they still got their revenge without even having to prove
> their accusations against the Germans at the end of the war. Take it
> for what it is worth-little or next to nothing.

Well said.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  



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On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:39:28 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>These photos are to the Holocaust as fighter planes would be against the Indians. A
>copy of this book in the hands of many, along with some eye witness
>testimonies, and only the most corrupt and weak would be left
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>perpetuating or tolerating the story.

I think the Holocaust Industry/Religion is nearly already down to
precisely that sort of remnant (cf., The Nizkooks).  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On 15 Nov 1996 06:46:19 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote:

>In article <328BEE98.6773@conterra.com>, bwhit@conterra.com wrote:
>
>>     These clones always justify genocide against whites with a grand
>> total of two statements, 1) the white race does not exist and @) the
>> white race deserves it.  This is 2).
>
>
>Actually the genocide against the Whites hasn't started yet, and
>we have to apologize for the delay.
>
>If every White person will simply remain calm, we will get to you
>as soon as we can.  Of course, there will be some forms to fill
>out, but these forms are so we can better serve you and your
>genocidal needs.
>
>You will be asked by which means you desire to be destroyed by
>the Joos, please choose carefully, as you will not be able to
>change you mind once you have expressed your opinion.
>
>Chooses include:
>
>1) I desire to have my Christian blood used in dark rituals.
>
>2) I am a white woman and need to be defiled so that my pure
>Aryan blood can be mingled with the blood of the Joo.
>
>3) Joo's buying my company and firing me will do fine.
>
>4) I am content to have Joo or vaugely foreign names in important
>government positions pointed out to me.
>
>5) I would like to be rounded up and placed in huge camps
>which only true patriots seem to be able to see.  Camps which
>will be run by Germans and Russians who are today training on
>US soil for the Joo sponsored invasion from Cananda.
>
>
>We want to run a quality genocide.  If at any time you feel
>that you are not being treated as a valuble goy, please feel
>free to learn Hebrew and attempt to beg for assistance.

http://www.natall.com/WHORULES/WHORULES.HTML

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:15:05 +0000, Dene Bebbington
 wrote:

>Or maybe it says a lot about you who goes on about inconsistent and
>contradictory testimony, yet you don't even know the name one of the
>main revisionist organisations. But then accuracy or interest in the
>truth never was your forte was it.

Here's Dene "imprisoning revisionists is reasonable by me!" Bebbington
trying in vain to wax morally.   Quite sad

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 20 Nov 1996 03:11:44 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>I have to disagree with that one completely. 
>If it had been their intention to exterminate the Jews
>within their sphere of control, then there would not
>have been a survivor left.  The very fact that only
>25% of France's Jewish population was ever deported
>disproves your thesis.

Ah, but what is sense to a Nizkook?  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 19 Nov 1996 19:24:13 GMT, ivanpv@aol.com wrote:

>          An amazing article on Israeli justice appeared in the  
>"Washington Post," Nov. 19, 1996, p. A-15,  by Barton Gellman:
>
>	"An Israeli military court has convicted four soldiers of
>negligently shooting to death an 18-year-old Palestinian in the West Bank.
> Then it passed sentence:  one hour in jail, suspended, and a fine of one
>Israeli agora--just under one-third of a U.S. cent."
>	"It was not the first time that soldiers here got off lightly for
>killing an Arab in haste.  Independent investigators count 1,251 cases in
>which Israeli troops killed Palestinians during and after the 1987-93
>uprising in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, often acting in
>violation of army rules forbidding lethal force except under mortal
>threat.  Fourteen soldiers are known to have been convicted; 11 were given
>suspended sentences or ordered to perform community service."
>	"But something about Sunday's sentencing struck a nerve when the
>news was made public today.  The agora, one-hundredth of an Israeli
>shekel, is so meager a sum that merchants commonly refuse to bother with
>change of less than 100, and coins valued at less than 10 no longer exist.
> Human rights advocates, Israeli and Arab, saw a message in the precision
>of the fine."
>	"'One agora!' said Bassam Eid, founder of the Palestinian Human
>Rights Monitoring Group.  'It means the government wants to show how much
>a Palestinian person's life is worth.  Its message is very clear: 'This is
>how cheap you are for us'"

Ah, vhat the hell.  If the Self-Chosen of God kill a goyim, who cares?

More money for Israel to kill more Palestinians?  Yes sir, Mr. Jew.  

By all means Mr. Jew.

Kurt Stele




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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:49:23 -0500, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy)
wrote:

>tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>>         Talmud:
>> 
>>         "He who so ever sould save the life of a Jew, is as if he saved
>> the life of the whole world."
>> 
>>         Inversely, 'He who so ever saves the life of a goy, is as if he
>> saved nothing.'
>
>This has been debunked already.

Yeah?  Well this hasn't.

---------------begin-------------

This study is based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of
the Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. Every selection we cite is
documented directly from the text of the authoritative Soncino Talmud.
We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish
Talmud. Look them up for yourself. To verify the Talmud passages
cited, refer to the Soncino edition Talmud, which may be found in
large university and seminary libraries. The Soncino Talmud may also
be purchased from book dealers.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human
("Only ye are designated men"). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the
sub-head, "Oil of Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women
are designated animals ("she-asses").

Jews are Divine Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the
Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile
("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an
Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an
ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be
in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object
lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.
(Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to
an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost
article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a
Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals
>from  a Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies
("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are
animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from
birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a
worsened flavor to the food cooked in them?"

Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled "hot
excrement".

Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New
Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish
History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Yebamoth 63a . Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Genocide Advocated by Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10.
This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog
("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original
Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish
Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore
Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The
Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the
reading has been altered, The best among the Egyptians being generally
substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens"
(Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b]. Israelis annually take part in a
national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this
rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. ("Jewish Press" of
June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an
orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians,
including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein
was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view
of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS "60 Minutes",
"Kahane").

Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldsteins
philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence
against "goyim," a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26,
1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish
blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June
6, 1989, p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not
worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

------end text-------

Kurt Stele


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On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:49:37 GMT, hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov)
wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 05:56:46 GMT, in <32913e28.21872178@news.gte.net>,
>
>the troll from gte.net wrote:
>
>>Revisionism is a process, not a fact.  
>>
>
>Thank you for this acknowledgement that "revisionism" has nothing to
>do with facts (and therefore has nothing to do with history of the
>Holocaust.) 

(smacking hand against forehead).   What an idiot this lady is.

>hro
>=====================
>Hilary Ostrov
>E-mail: hostrov@uniserve.com
>WWW: http://users.uniserve.com/~hostrov/
>Co-Webmaster - The Nizkor Project  http://www.nizkor.org/

Oh.  No wonder.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:17:50 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>Testimony of Herta Ehlert, a member of the SS unit at Belsen
>("The Belsen Trial", p. 709)
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>The conditions in Belsen were a shame and a disgrace. I consider
>that the people chiefly responsible were Kramer the Kommandant,
>Dr. Horstmann, Untersturmfuehrer Klipp, who was for some time
>Kramer's second in command, and Haupsturfuehrer Vogler, who 
>worked in Kramer's office and was responsible for food supply.
>I say that Kramer was responsible for the conditions, among
>other reasons, because on one occasion when I complained of the
>increasing death rate to Kramer he replied, "let them die, why
>should you care?".
>

The Holocaust has no physical evidence:  only contradictory and
contrived "testimony."  

Kurt Stele


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On 24 Nov 1996 22:29:33 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>
>>  Lying Jew lawyer-shyster Yale Eideken continues asserting that an
>>  Giwer e-mail saying "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" constitutes a
>>  "hate crime" for which Giwer should be forced to serve time in jail,
>>  just  like those in Europe who dare to express difference to the
>>  (false) Jewish version history are thrown in jail.
>
>
>	Yes, criminal harassment is a crime in the U.S.
>
>  
>>  Yet Yale is an "officer of the court" sworn to uphold the laws of the
>>  U.S.   Yet he refuses to report Giwer's "crime" and uphold the laws of
>>  the U.S.  Although he claims there is no ethical duty to do so, yet he
>>  shows himself to be unethical by possessing evidence of law-breaking
>>  while doing nothing about it.  
>
>	There is no ethical duty to do so.  In facrt, under many circumstances it 
>is a violation of ethicxs to do so.  Moreover, I have reported the criminal Giwer to 
>each of his service providers who have, in turn, found it to be a crime and taken 
>the appropriate action.
>
>  
>>  Yale also claims Giwer's e-mail "was sent to Yale's family" although
>>  the e-mail never mentions Yale's family (typical Jewish "trumping
>>  up").   So therefore Yale's family is insulted and he has a duty to
>>  stand up for his own family which he also shirks.  
>
>	Again, I made a true statement.  The e-mail was made to me and my 
>family.  I am standing up for them by making sure that the criminal Giwer cannot 
>victimize others.  To date I have been very successful.	
>
>	In the interim "Stele" has yet to inform us whether his parents have 
>heard about the activities of his colleagues, the Brothers Freeman, and whether on 
>those rare occassions when you are allowed in the house they insist on a full body 
>cavity search or are content with a simple metal detectort?
>
>	--YFE

Yale, when you going to retract your continued lie that the Freeman
Brothers were NA?

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On 24 Nov 1996 21:36:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   The Criminal Giwer writes:
>
>>  	One would also suspect as there is a US organization accepting
>>  contributions that the IRS will be involved and that US residents
>>  participating in this nizkor adventure will come under IRS scrutiny.  
>  
>>  	Gee, I a brilliant and I do not even know it.  I do not need to
>>  involve Revenue Canada at all.  I can start the investigation in the
>>  US with the IRS by simply reporting the deception to the IRS regarding
>>  the US collection side.  
>  
>>  	It will all go downhill from there, AND I get a fraction of the
>>  recovered taxes.  Sounds great to me.  
>  
>>  	Does anyone see any problems with this?  
>
>
>	Yes.  Your charges are false and you are a liar.  
>
>]>  	How many are racing me to write the letter and claim the share of
>>  taxes reward first?   
>
>	Since your "reward" will be a horselaugh from the IRS, I am sure that you 
>will have lots of takers.  That drooling idiot Moran would be a likely candidate to help 
>you.
>
>	--YFE	

Yale when are you going to retract your lie that the Freeman Brothers
were NA members?

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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Subject: Re: Mass Murder in Belsen Camp, I
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On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 03:47:35 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <577ik8$idq@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>
>> 1.  The SS women appear healthy because they were.  They
>> were principally employed as administrative staff and had little
>> or nothing to do with the inmates.  
>
>Indeed. They weren't forced to live in the same putrid squalor and
>inhumane provation that the Nazis _forced_ their prisoners to live in. Not
>living in such conditions as the inmates lived in is sure to be a boon to
>one's health....

If the intent was 'extermination' as you claim then explain the German
order and efforts to lower the death using every possible measure they
could in a deteriorating situation, including the sequestering of
children for their health and safety in Belsen.

>> That they aren't emaciated is due to the fact that they were fortunate not to 
>> have contracted any of the life threatening illnesses brought into the camp by
>> the inmates during the final weeks of the war.
>
>Indeed. The SS personnel was indeed fortunate that they didn't "contract"
>the life-thratening "disease" called _starvation_. Of course, that's
>probably because _they_ had a plentiful supply oif food on hand. The
>prisoners had no such luck, as these very same svelt and well-fed SS
>personnel, made sure the inmates starved to death in droves by denying
>them even the minimal diet required to maintain any semblance of good
>health. 

So do you do you want to explain why there were healthy Jewish inmates
there who were not "starving" upon liberation?   

>Coupled with the dismal hygenic conditions inflictyed on the prioners by
>the Nazis, it is small wonder that disease, such as typhus, swept through
>camp and claimed thousands of lives. 

The inmates were using every room as an open latrine which facilitated
the spread of disease.  General Patton also complained of Jewish
"displaced persons" (i.e., Jews supposedly gassed but now running
around Germany) doing the same thing.

>> 2.  Kramer was commander of the camp for only 3 MONTHS....
>
>During which time some 20,000 sick women who managed to survive the death
>marches from Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Gross-Rosen and their sattelite camps
>arrived. And Kramer didn't lift a finger to help them. So they had no
>housing, went without water and food. Small wonder thyphus broke and
>decimated their ranks. Kramer made sure they had one foot in the grave. 

Which just begs the question of why they were alive at all if the
German intent was extermination.   Obviously, deteriorating conditions
would have given the Germans all the more reason to kill Jews if
anything to not have to deal with feeding them and housing them.   Try
again, Van Schmaltzstink.

>[Mr. Bellings shrill Nazi apologia of his Nazi hero snipped]
>
>For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 





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On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:33:21 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article , jstuart@tristar.org (Jim
>Stuart) wrote:
>
>> Thank you, comrade!  The clear, firm gaze of Adolf Hitler is
>> an inspiration to all Aryan men, to strive toward victory and
>> to battle each enemy with courage and quiet determination.  
>
>And then to take the coward's way out and commit suicide.
> 
>I suggest you widen your knowledge of your Fuehrer by reading some of the
>documents and interviews collected by the OSS during the war. Some of the
>wonderful things you'll discover are:

Oh yes.  The OSS.  The same guys who brought us the "Dachau gas
chambers."  Right.  
 
>Hitler got undressed and then asked Rene Mueller (an actress) to kick him,
>all the while crying that he "wasn't worthy" of her. She later "committed
>suicide."
> 
>Hitler forced Geli Raubel to stand over his naked body and urinate on him.
>She later "committed suicide" with Hitler's gun.

Sure.  If the OSS said anything about Hitler, I believe it  (snicker).


Kurt Stele
 
"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On 24 Nov 1996 02:01:08 GMT, carol1@apple.com (Andrew Carol) wrote:

>In article <5782bf$k94@thoth.nilenet.com>, tmw@nilenet.com (tmw) wrote:
>
>> New on the GOAL Resource Library Home Page:
>>    http://www.nilenet.com/~tmw/
>> 
>> Jewish Ritual Murder by Arnold Leese
>> 
>>                         INTRODUCTION 
>>    1.Human Sacrifice And Semitic Tradition 
>>    2.The Racial Urge 
>
>
>Ritual murder?  Ha!  We do it because the tender flesh of Christian
>babies is so succulent!!!!
>
>We enjoy dining on the flesh of your young and of your women.
>
>In fact many famous Jewish resturants have a 'secret' menu item which
>called "Gefilte Fish".  This is really the tender breast of a white
>virgin girl, in a light Christian babies blood sauce.  It's very
>popular, and is even available in a microwavable form for the up and
>coming single Jew on Wallstreet.
>
>Hmmmmmmm.  Tasty.
>
>
>BTW, did ou know that Christian girls are low in unsaturated fat which
>means they are part of a balanced diet?  How can something so tasty be
>so good for you?  (I like poached blonde).

	1911-13. Kiev,Russia. This is by far the most
              important proved ritual murder case of the 20th
              century and is generally known as the Beiliss Case. 

              In 1911, a 13-year-old boy's body was found at
              Kiev with curious wounds and drained of blood. A
              Jew named Beiliss was arrested on suspicion. 

              It was proved that the murder took place inside the
              premises of a Jewish brick factory to which only
              Jews had access. This factory contained a Jewish
              hospice with a secret synagogue attached. 

              After long-drawn-out preliminaries, Beiliss, who was
              proprietor of the factory, was tried; the jury found
              that there was no proof that he himself was the
              culprit, although half of them considered he was; the
              verdict therefore having to be unanimous, he was
              declared Not Guilty. But the jury agreed as to the
              cause of the boy's death; their verdict about this
              was as follows: 

              The boy "after being gagged, was wounded with a
              perforating instrument in the nape of the neck,
              temples and neck, which wounds severed the
              cerebral vein, the left temporal and jugular arteries,
              producing thus profuse hemorrhage; and
              afterwards, when Joutchinski (the boy's name) had
              lost about five glasses of blood. his body was
              pierced with the same instrument, lacerating thus the
              lungs, the liver, the right kidney and the heart, where
              the last wounds were inflicted, in all 47 wounds,
              causing acute suffering to the victim and the loss of
              practically all the blood of the body, and finally
              death." 

              Thus, although the murder could not be fixed upon
              any particular individual, its ritual character was
              quite certain, the boy being first bled and then killed.

              There were many strange features about this trial,
              viz.: 

              (1) On 17th October, 1913, the presiding Judge had
              to warn the Jewish pressmen against persisting in
              reporting perverted renderings of the evidence, and
              said that if they continued in this practice, then
              would be refused permission to attend the Court. 

              (2) Two children, Genia and Valentine Tcheberiak,
              who were important witnesses against Beiliss, died
              suddenly shortly after his arrest. This was after they
              had eaten sweetmeats given to them by a degraded
              police agent called Krassowsky. They were
              examined by two Jewish doctors at the hospital and
              were certified to be suffering from dysentery the
              bacilli of that disease having been found in them
              according to the report. 

              Next, it was discovered that their mother had been
              offered (and had refused) a bribe of 40,000 roubles
              by a Jew lawyer to take upon herself the guilt for the
              murder of the stabbed boy Joutchinski. 

              Finally, the Jews actually suggested she had
              poisoned the two children, the Jews having
              characteristically forgotten for the moment those
              dysentery bacilli that had been reported to have
              been discovered! 

              (3) Several important witnesses gave expert opinion
              that the Jews use Christian blood to mix with the
              unleavened bread at certain feasts, and that Christian
              children are killed by Jews for the purpose. 

              One of these was Father Pranaitis, theologian and
              Hebraist, who considered that the evidence showed
              every sign of it being a Jewish ritual murder. Father
              Pranaitis said that the Zohar, the cabbalistic book of
              the Chassidim sect of Jews, described the ritual of
              murder, prescribing thirteen stabs in the right temple
              seven in the left one, which is exactly how the head
              of the murdered boy had been treated. Another
              expert witness was Professor Sikorski of Kiev
              University, a medical psychologist, who also
              regarded the case as one of Ritual Murder. 

              After the Jewish Bolshevik revolution, the Cheka
              shot the Judge, the Public Prosecutor and many of
              the witnesses, including Father Pranaitis, the medical
              expert Kozoratov, and Professor Sikorski.
              Professor Pawlow, who was a witness for the
              defence, became a leading scientist in Bolshevik
              Russia! 

              The ex-General Alexandre Netchvoldov of the
              Russian Imperial Army, tells us the rest in an article,
              "La Russie et les Juifs," in Le Front Unique,
              published at Oran, 1927, p. 59: Quoting Evrijskaja
              Tribuna of 24th August, 1922, he says "that at a
              visit of the Rabbi of Moscow to Lenin, the first
              word Lenin said to his visitor was to ask him it the
              Jews were satisfied with the Soviet tribunal which
              had annulled, the Beiliss verdict, saying that
              Joutchinksy had been killed by a Christian!" 

              (4) A "British protest," published in The Times,
              dated 6th May, 1912, signed by the usual
              Archbishops and bishops, together with dukes
              (such as the late Duke of Norfolk who had been
              married to a Jewish woman), earls (such as
              Rosebery, married to a Rothschild), and people like
              the late Rt. Hon. A. J. Balfour, fulminated against
              the "revival" of the Ritual Murder charge; the
              "Blood Accusation" was described in this protest as
              "a relic of the days of witchcraft and black magic, a
              cruel and utterly baseless libel on Judaism." 

              Is it not amazing that where Jewish interests are
              concerned, Englishmen of standing will try to
              influence the course of justice by thus interfering
              before Beiliss had even been tried? 

              Beiliss died in America in 1934, and his funeral was
              made that of. Jewish national hero. 

              1928. Gladbeck, Germany. This occurred at the
              time of Purim; twenty-year-old lad called Helmuth
              Daube was found dead in front of his home, with
              his throat cut, his genital organs missing, whilst there
              were wounds on the hands and stabs in the
              abdomen. There was no blood about where the
              body was found and it was bloodless. Experts said
              in Court that the throat showed the Jewish ritual cut.
              The Jews set to work and eventually a young Gentile
              called Huszmann was accused of the murder,
              unnatural lust being alleged as a feature in the crime.
              The case was conducted against Huszmann by a
              Jew called Rosenbaum, and special police had been
              sent from Berlin to enquire about the circumstances;
              the President of the Police at Berlin was the Jew
              Bernhard Weiss. These special police did what they
              could to convince the Court that it was a
              "lust-murder," but Huszmann was acquitted. The
              Bochumer Abendblatt and Der Sturmer both gave
              their opinion that it was a Ritual Murder by Jews,
              and the latter paper was suppressed for a time, and
              its editor imprisoned. 

              1929. Manan, Germany. A five-year-old boy
              named Kessler disappeared on 17th March. The
              body was found in a wood, with throat cut from ear
              to ear superficially whilst there was a deep stab in
              the neck cutting the main vessels. The body was
              bloodless and there was no blood found near it. It
              was just before Passover, and the local Jewish
              butcher had suddenly disappeared. Dr. Burgel, the
              Court doctor, said it was a case of Ritual Murder.
              The Jew Money Power got to work to influence the
              authorities and public opinion. Before the official
              inquiry, the Public Prosecutor announced that it was
              not a case of Ritual Murder. The Judge decided the
              boy had met with an accidental stab from the branch
              of a tree or from an animal's horn, and the case was
              dropped. No one was ever arrested for the crime. 

              1932. Paderborn, Germany. Martha Kaspar was
              the Gentile servant in the household of a Jewish
              butcher named Meyer. This man had a son Kurt,
              and this Kurt had had sexual relations with the
              servant who became pregnant. She demanded that
              he should marry her, and the father and son
              promised that this should happen, but secretly
              decided to make away with the girl. On 18th March,
              near Purim, she disappeared. Two days later some
              human flesh was found on the road, and the Jewish
              Press began to spread the idea that there had been a
              "lust-murder." Investigation revealed blood on
              Kurt's clothes and in a hayloft of Meyer's, and both
              the Meyers were arrested. Dr. Frank, a Jewish
              lawyer, succeeded in getting the father certified as a
              lunatic and sent to an asylum, but he was soon freed
              and fled the country. The son, Kurt, said he had
              attempted to procure abortion, and that he had cut
              the girl's body up and distributed it in various
              places; a doctor told the Court that some litres of
              blood must have been taken. Later, Kurt said he had
              killed the girl in a fit of temper. The Court brought in
              a verdict of manslaughter, and sentenced Kurt
              Meyer to 15 years' imprisonment. The general
              newspapers did not report the case; Der Sturmer
              said it was Ritual Murder, and was suppressed for a
              time. These circumstances cause me to include this
              case among the "well-authenticated" ones. 

              It will be noted that the last three cases occurred at a
              time when the Jews were supreme in Germany just
              before the Hitler revolution, when it was easy to
              suppress all expression of opinion as to the true
              nature or the murders. 


Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:58:18 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <570gjq$tnf@Vir.com>, Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>   This is approximativelly how I remember this letter. 
>
>As usual, Mr. Beaulieu "remembers" wrong.
>
>According to the "Operating Instructions for Coke-Fired Topf Double-Muffle
>Incinerating Furnace" [PMO file 11/1, page 31]: 
>
>"...Once the cremation chamber (muffle) has been brought to a good red
>heat (aprproximately 800 C), the corpses can be introduced one after
>another in the cremation chambers." 
>
>"...After each incineration, the temperature rises in the furnace. For
>this reason, care must be taken that the internal temperature does not
>rise above 1100 C (white heat).

Only knee-jerk Nizkook Synagogue catamite and Medicine Shoah man Van
Schmaltzstink, would possibly even begin to defend the patently
impossible claim that several thousand inmates were cremated per day
at Auschwitz, even with the aid of the equally ridiculous but
necessary corollary that the crematory functioned night and day:  a
claim exposed to be a lie by aerial photos. 

>"This increase in temperature can be avoided by introducing additional
>fresh air. (_Technique_, p.136.) 
>
>So, the furnaces could operate up to 1100 C without problems.
>
>>  Oven today can support temperatures which are sometimes twice. 
>
>As usual, Mr. Beaulieu is wrong.
>
>As to the operating temperatures of modern crematory furnaces, according
>to the "Internet Cremation Society FAQ" the "temperature at which
>cremations are done vary based upon the retort manufacturer, but most
>machines operate between 1,500 to 1,900 degrees F." 
>
>Source: http://www.cremation.org:80/faq.shtml#At what temperature
>
>1500-1900 F is approximately 815-1037 C. The operating temperature of the
>Topf double muffle furnace was about 800-1100 C (1472-2012 F). There was
>no appreciable difference in operating temperatures. 
>
>> You are again playing with words.

You're playing with yourself.

>And Mr. Beaulieu is playing without a full deck of cards. Again.
>
>For those interested in Mr. Beaulieu's prolific Holocaust denial and
>crackpot "theories," please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois/beaulieu-misrepresents-hoess
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois/shoah-suchomel-faked.01

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish --  in an amusing and pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated
offal served up with the flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal
sculptor for the service of a sham synagogue-front organization, tune
in any day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of


"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Revisionism is Great!
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On 21 Nov 1996 12:31:07 GMT, cacst9+@pitt.edu (Cecelia A Clancy)
wrote:

>Revisionism is great.  Revisionism is wonderful.
>I like Revsionism.  Revisionism is neat.
>I am glad there is such a newsgroup as alt.revisionism.
>
>R E V I S I O N I S M  !!!!   Ooooohhh wow!  
>
>Isn't it fun to post posts about Revisionism.  
>
>Here is a silly Revisionist song:
>
>    The Holocaust is a Hoax,
>    The Holocaust is a Hoax,
>    The Holocaust Holocaust Holocaust Holocaust Holocaust is a Hoax.
>    It never ever haaaaaaaaapened,
>    It's just a big big Hoax!
>    The Holocaust Holocaust Holocaust Holocaust Holocaust is a Hoax.
>    The Holocaust is a Hoax.
>    The Holocaust is a Hoax.
>    The Holocasut is a Hoax.
>    The Hoooooolooooocaaaaaaust isssssssss a Hooooaaaaaaaxxxxxxxx!

This is lame.  But at least it is accurate.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:12:19 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <575crf$o9u@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU>, rjg@d31rz0.Stanford.EDU
>(Richard J. Green) wrote:
>
>> In article <3295ba06.721220@199.0.216.204>,
>> tom moran  wrote:
>> 
>
>[snip]
>
>> >       When you say "bash-Jews ..." are you complaining everything said
>> >is a lie, or are you admitting about truths not being relevant?
>> 
>> I can't parse this question.
>
>Don't worry, neither can the Moran(tm) -it's Moranic(tm)!
>
>Hmm. Sounds like the Moran (tm) is asking that if he were to say "cashews"
>that would he actually be claiming that Sadi, the Persian poet, is a liar
>and that this is not in any way relevant to some person name T. Ruth being
>admitted to wherever T. Ruth was admitted to?

There goes "Good the last drop" sewage-guzzling Van Schmalzstink again
with his fetishistic drive to defend each and every tale in the vast
lexicon of contradictory and absurd Holocaust mythology.   Van
Alstine's motto is:  "the more absurd, unsubstantiated, and
contradictory the testimony is, the better.  That way I can get
'creative' and use my 'wits' (sic) and rack up brownie with my Nizkook
master(baters) back at the Synagogue."  

>The Moran (tm)  is, as far as I can determine, an anti-Semite engaged in
>blatant and offensive anti-Semitism, Nazi apologia, and Holocaust denial.
>The Moran (tm) generally conducted himself with such a complete lack of
>intellectual and factual integrity that there seems to be no point in
>taking the time to read and respond.  For detailed and documented evidence
>of this, please refer to:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom
>
>But what else should one expect from a lying anti-Semite who holds wacko
>beliefs, is intellectually depraved, hasn't the slightest clue regarding
>Supreme Court decisions, or what constitutes a dud at the  box-office? For
>evidence of this please see:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/1996/what-moran-believes.9607
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/lies/hilberg-out-of-context
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-menorah-faq
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/m/moran.tom/moran-schindler-faq

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:49:05 +0000, Dene Bebbington
 wrote:

>Posting a Bunglegram "E. Zundel Repost" 
>wrote:
>>------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
>>
>>Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
>>
>>And I see that effect all over with other Revisionists AND Non-Revisionists
>>alike who have their own complaints against our opposition:  They are very
>>proud folk striving to add pride and substance to the cause.  They want to
>>stand up and be counted if they are assaulted with smears.
>>
>>Here is a mere smattering:
>>
>>*       Michael Hoffman II is going on the offensive.  He is building a
>>"Museum of the Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinian People".  Mike
>>writes:
>[snipped]
>
>Is this the same Mike Hoffman who wrote an essay called "Swindler's
>Mist", and who hasn't had the courtesy to respond to an email of mine
>pointing out a gross misleading mistake (or would it be more accurately
>described as a lie, I wonder) in his essay.

Yeah?  So what.

>>I practice OFFENSIVE not defensive revisionism.
>
>One cannot deny that Hoffman's revisionism is offensive.

You're as lame as ever Babblington.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 22 Nov 1996 05:30:04 GMT, ceacaa@aol.com wrote:

>>For those interested in proof...[snip Mark's gibbering]
>
>Now, now,Mark, you have posted stories of a 200 yard-long 
>gaschambers, of 3,000 people undressing in a 4,000 Square 
>foot room, of people going into halls which never existed,
>stories which omit inconvient rooms.  You admit that
>these elements of the stories are "incorrect" (your
>own word) but seem to get furious when other people
>question the accuracy of the stories.  

That's sewage guzzling "good to the last drop" Van Schmaltzstink, who
places a sentimental and fetishitic attachment to every last bit of
feces within the Holocaust Mythology, no matter how already
discredited or absurd.

>You post stories you know are incorrect: Does that 
>mean you are lying and duplicitious?  You keep telling 
>everyone that the events were incredible.  Well, some 
>people are incredulous.

Van Schmaltzstink himself being a simp of vast credulity.

>Anyway, why don't you try dealing with some valid 
>questions about the so-called "eyewitness" tesimony  you
>have such faith in. 

It is a part of Van Schmaltzstink's bizarre and lurid cult of
Holocaustomania, scatology, Jewish Kaballism and buggery:  all
elements of the Nizkook religion he avidly pursues behind closed door
at the Synagogue in B.C. 

>     Reflections of the 4,000,000 Story
>For example, these stories were usually recorded at
>a time when the claimed death count at Auschwitz was
>4,000,000.  By your own lights a 4 fold exaggeration.
>Did you notice that Nyiszli gave an approximately 4 fold exaggeration in
>the size of the Leichenkeller/gaschamber?
>Hoess "confession" also ties in with the 4,000,000
>figure, he claimed to have killed 2,500,000 before
>he left the camp in 1944.  You never replied when I
>asked you about Olga Lengyel's story entitled
>Five Chimneys.  She has stories of ladling boiling
>human fat and using babies as kindling and SHE
>claims 4,000,000 died at Auschwitz.

Van Schmalzstine uses the "shotgun method" of flailing feces:  hoping
some of it will stick, never mind that every eyewitless testimony
materially contradicts another.

>     Would it surprise you too much if the testimonies
>you have such faith in were adapted to accomodate
>the 4,000,000 figure?  Would it surprise you
>if Stalin's propaganda machine cranked out a
>few whoppers at the time? Or do you consider all
>testimony gospel-like "narratives"?

"Good the last drop" sewage-guzzling Van Alstine and his fetishistic
drive to defend each and every tale in the vast lexicon of
contradictory and absurd Holocaust mythology, will cherish and
impotently try to explain every last bit, -especially- those by the
Soviets.  Van Alstine's motto is:  "the most absurd and contradictory
the testimony is, the better.  That way I can get 'creative' and use
my 'wits' (sic) and rack up brownie with my Nizkook master(baters)
back at the Synagogue.  (snicker)

Kurt Stele


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On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:38:38 GMT, jimmy@jaimie.mcc (jimmy) wrote:

>On 22 Nov 1996 11:24:39 GMT, brainh@itsa.ucsf.edu (Brian Harmon)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <56tjm2$lko@juliana.sprynet.com>,   wrote:
>>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>>  SS-Untersturmfuehrer Oberhauser on the death camp at Belzec
>>>  [Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The 
>>>  Free Press, NY, 1988., p. 228-230]
>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Snip
>>>
>>>. Brack stated that the euthanasia
>>>>  programme had stopped and that the people from T4 would from now on be
>>>>  detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the
>>>>  Wannsee conference could be implemented. As it appeared that it would
>>>
>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>This is an obvious fake, as there is a reference to the Wannsee
>>>Conference, which had nothing to do with exterminating human
>>>beings.  Better luck next time.
>>
>>
>>Rubbish.  There are other documents discussing the Wansee
>>conference and they make full reference to exterminating 
>>the Jews and the Wansee conference.
>>
>>Hans Frank, The Governer-General of Poland, made explicit 
>>reference to both the extermination of Jews and the upcoming
>>Wansee conference in a speech on December 16th, 1941:
>>----------
>> ... One way or another, I will tell you that quite openly, 
>>we must finish off the Jews.
>>[..]
>>I will therefore, on principle, approach Jewish affairs in the
>>expectation that the Jews will disappear.  They must go. [..]
>>In January there will be a major conference on this question in
>>Berlin, to which I shall send State Secretary Dr. Beuhler.
>>[..]
>>...we will be able to take measures that will somehow lead to
>>successful destruction; and this in connection with the large
>>scale procedures which are to be discussed in the Reich.
>>-----
>>
>>The Januaray conference mentioned by Frank is none other
>>than the Wansee confernce.  The famous minutes from that 
>>conference were dated on January 20, 1942.
>
>	Working on the presumption that he is refering to the same meeting
>...
>
>	Which of course only indicates that he was completely wrong about
>what the conference would conclude.  So what else is new?  If this
>lower level type knew the conclusion then there would have been no
>need for the meeting.  
>
>	And if he knew the conclusion of the meeting before it was made, he
>was not the only one and  then there was clearly no reason for the
>document to have a limited distribution. 

And the meeting was supposedly held to decide the means of
'extermination' according to Standard Holocaust Mythology, yet the
minutes show no mention of extermination by gassing, or extermination
period.  Instead the Holocausters seize upon a single word
"evacuation" to creatively interpret.   A classic example of
"holocaust historicity."

Kurt Stele

http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web 
Pages of Zionism 
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the Holocaust
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et
d'Holocauste (also in English)  
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 



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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:53:47 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <32970dea.199377@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris
>Carpenter) wrote:
>
>>  "You've seen every single race besmirched, but you never saw
>> an unfavorable image  of a kike because the Jews are ever watchful for
>> that. They never allowed it to be shown on the screen!"
>> 
>> (Robert Mitchum, Playboy, Jan. 1979)
>> 
>
> "Today I will once more be a prophet:  If the international Jewish
>financiers inside and outside Europe should again succeed in plunging
>the nations into a world war, the result will be...the annhilation of
>the Jewish race throughout Europe."
>
>     - Adolf  Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag;  January 30, 1939.

 "Judea declares War on Germany." (Daily Express, March 24, 1934)

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:55:04 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <32970dc3.160106@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris
>Carpenter) wrote:
>
>>  "There is only one Power which really counts: The Power of
>> Political Pressure. We  Jews are the most powerful people on Earth,
>> because we have this power, and we know how to apply it."
>> 
>>  (Jewish Daily Bulletin, 7/27/1935)
>> 
>
> "Today I will once more be a prophet:  If the international Jewish
>financiers inside and outside Europe should again succeed in plunging
>the nations into a world war, the result will be...the annhilation of
>the Jewish race throughout Europe."
>
>     - Adolf  Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag;  January 30, 1939.

 "Judea declares War on Germany." (Daily Express, March 24, 1934)

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele


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On 22 Nov 1996 18:52:55 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  Letter from chief of institution for feeble-minded in Stetten to
>>  Reich Minister of justice Dr. Frank, September 6 1940
>>  [Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - 
>>  Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. I, p. 854]
>>  -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>  Dear Reich Minister,
>>  
>>  The measure being taken at present with mental patients of all
>>  kinds have caused a complete lack of confidence in justice among
>>  large groups of people. Without the consent of relatives and
>>  guardians, such patients are being transferred to different
>>  institutions. After a short time they are notified that the
>>  person concerned has died of some disease...
>>  
>>  If the state really wants to carry out the extermination of these
>>  or at least of some mental patients, shouldn't a law be
>>  promulgated, which can be justified before the people - a law
>>  that would give everyone the assurance od careful examination
>>  as to whether he is due to die or entitled to live and which
>>  would also give the relatives a chance to be heard, in a
>>  similar way, as provided by the law for the prevention of
>>  Hereditarily affected Progeny?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  -Danny Keren.
>>  
>>>>>
>It is not a matter of dispute that this program was legally implemented in
>Germany for a very short period, when the program was finally terminated
> by none other than Adolf Hitler himself.  The United States has legalized abortion,
>which is also highly controversial.  Two original sponsers for the abortion
>bill in New York in the 60's were Blum and Bella Abzug.  It is estimated that
>approximately 30,000,000 abortions have been carried out since it's confirmation
>by the Supreme Court.  It also should be noted that the United States appears
>to be just steps away from legalizing euthanasia as well.  

It must get boring at times exposing the same old lies of the Nizkooks
over and over.  Keep it up though. 

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  



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Subject: Lying Unethical Yale Continues to Shirk His Duty to Family and Justice
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Lying Jew lawyer-shyster Yale Eideken continues asserting that an
Giwer e-mail saying "I'm tired of your shit, fuck off" constitutes a
"hate crime" for which Giwer should be forced to serve time in jail,
just  like those in Europe who dare to express difference to the
(false) Jewish version history are thrown in jail.

Yet Yale is an "officer of the court" sworn to uphold the laws of the
U.S.   Yet he refuses to report Giwer's "crime" and uphold the laws of
the U.S.  Although he claims there is no ethical duty to do so, yet he
shows himself to be unethical by possessing evidence of law-breaking
while doing nothing about it.  

Yale also claims Giwer's e-mail "was sent to Yale's family" although
the e-mail never mentions Yale's family (typical Jewish "trumping
up").   So therefore Yale's family is insulted and he has a duty to
stand up for his own family which he also shirks.  

The fact is, Yale simply wants to whine about it like the crybaby he
is.  Yale is quite simply another distortive, wimpy, whining, shrill
Jewish lawyer without an ethnical bone in his body.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 23 Nov 1996 06:57:31 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   redux@perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>
>  
>>  Yale F. Edeiken
>>  >	I suggest you check the nizkor files in which a clear attempt at 
>>  >extortion was made.
>  
>>  Comparison to your suggestion.
>>  I hit you, and you call your family as judge and jury.
>
>	The text of the criminal Giwer's extortion attempt was printed there.


You are a typical exaggerative distortive lying Jew and lawyer. 

  
>> What if I swore at you in e-mails, would you
>>  consider me a criminal?
>
>	If you were asked not to: YES.


What a whining crybaby Jew lawyer.   And people wonder why the
judicial system which walks O.J. is so botched.  I think we've found
the problem.


>> Can the police be sent from Pennsylvania all
>>  the way to Florida to arrest Mr Giwer and bring him back to stand
>>  trial for his e-mails to you? 


>You are asking for a technical answer.  Under U.S. practice, the 
>Florida police would arrest the criminal Giwer and, after application to the 
>governor of Florida, he would be transported back.


Yes, I'm sure they're going to extradite Giwer because of an e-mail
which said "I'm sick of your shit, fuck off."  Only a Jew would even
think of such a thing.  But Jewish legalism is the reason why the
judicial system is botched.


>>  Under what SPECIFIC statute(s).
>
>
>	I posted both 18 Purdon's 5504 (criminal harassment) and 18 
>Purdon's 2710 (ethnic intimidation) which defines both the crime and, by setting 
>the degree of the crime, the punishment.  Was there anything you did not 
>understand in those statutes? 


We understood them perfectly:  more ADL/Jewish thoughtcrime laws.


>>  What are the penalties? 
>>  This is far too vague. Never mind the statutes, which we have every
>>  right to be given by you, have you any case law with which you can
>>  regale us? For all I know you are telling the truth, it just doesn't
>>  come across that way. Proof please.
>
>	I fail to see why the wording of the statutes, which I attached to the 
>post, are not clear to you.

In Russia when the Jews took over they gave anti-Semitism the death
penalty.  In Europe Jews have outlawed the expression of a version of
history which differs with their spurious one.  Jews looooove
Orwellian thoughtcrime laws.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.


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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:39:34 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) "said," i.e., bent over and eructated:

>For those interested in proof of Mr. Belling's increasingly irrelevant
>Nazi apologia, intellectual dishonesty, and outright lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: 'However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed'
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:19:51 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <5769ch$kof@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>
>>    mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:>  In article
><5758pb$igq@juliana.sprynet.com>, 
>> rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>>   
>>    Mark, you silly little clown....must you still make an ass
>>    of yourself in front of the whole world?  Mark would like
>>    the world to forget all the crimes of the world except for 
>>    those allegedly committed by the Nazis against one group
>>    of people-his benefactors.  I have never once read of this
>>    man having a word of compassion for the millions of German
>>    or any other civilians who died during and after the second
>>    world war.
>>   
>>   Probably because, Mr. Belling, the topic of alt.revision is about
>>   Holocaust denial.
>> 
>> 
>> Oh?  And "Holocaust" can only refer to Jews?  Is that what you
>> are telling us?
>
>Actually, that is what _Webster's New World Dictionary_ (Third College
>Edition) tells us: 
>
>"2 great or total destruction of life, esp. by fire [nuclear _holocaust_]
>-*the Holocaust [also the h-] the systematic destruction of over six
>million European Jews by the Nazis before and during World War II."

So Dresden and Hamburg were neither destruction by fire, nor a great
destruction of life?  

Poor Van Schmaltzstink, unable to fit into his atrophied and calcified
little bot-mind any extraneous fact which contradict that which his
Nizkook diaper-changers back at the Synagogue "pumped" into him (both
literally and figuratively).  

>Personally, I'm a bit more inclusive, considering the Holocaust [note the
>capital "H"] to include the murder of about 6 million gentiles- by the
>Nazis -as well. However, I'm afraid, Mr. Belling, that my _or_ Webster's
>definition of the Holocaust does _not_ include the German civilian
>casualties incurred from the Allied strategic bombing campaign. 

The "holocaust" deserves not only lower-case but quotation marks.  

For those interested in the archives containing more incidents of jb
exposing and refuting Van Schmaltzstink's perpetual myopia, deliberate
prevarications, and knee-jerk sputterings:

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 


>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:32:51 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

[more rabid impotent blather]

Van Schmaltzstink continues to eructate his noxious prevarications
throughout the forum.   Not content to providing his body for the
satyric joys of his Nizkook masters in the Synagogue's inner sanctum
(which is also to say that of his own), he seeks further expression of
his debased urges by continually and openly propositioning rb, in
self-abased hatred of Van Schmaltzstink's own jealous sexual
ambiguity.

>For those interested in proof of Frau"lien Schwarzesel's increasingly
>irrelevent scumbag Nazi apologia and lies, please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.0996
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/bellinger.joseph/1996/blackmore.1096

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 






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On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:14:59 -0700, the spiritually-blighted Nizkook
2nd-level alchemist Marred Van Schmaltzstank belched forth:

>A verbatim transcript please, Mr. Beaulieu. The clock is ticking and
>whatever is left of your "credibility" is swiftly running out.... 

There goes "Good the last drop" sewage-guzzling Van Schmalzstink again
with his fetishistic drive to defend each and every tale in the vast
lexicon of contradictory and absurd Holocaust mythology.   Van
Alstine's motto is:  "the more absurd, unsubstantiated, and
contradictory is the testimony, the better.  That way I can get
'creative' and use my 'wits' (sic) and rack up brownie with Nizkook
Command back at the Synagogue."

>For those interested in Mr. Beaulieu's prolific Holocaust denial and
>crackpot "theories," please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois/beaulieu-misrepresents-hoess
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/b/beaulieu.jean-francois/shoah-suchomel-faked.01

For those interested in the impotent and spurious scribblings of
Holocaust Shaman Marred Van Smellstein -- as furious as they are
foolish, as contrived as they are canned --  in an amusing and
pathetic flurry of lies and regurgitated offal served up with the
bot-like flair of a seasoned and enthusiastic fecal sculptor for the
service of a criminal synagogue-front sham organization, tune in any
day of the year to:  Alt.revisionism and look under any post of 

"Mark Van Alstine."

Bring coffee, a bucket, and a nose-clip (for the stench of Van
Schmaltzstink's odious drivel).

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele
 



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On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:45:28 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>Call me whatever names you like, Mr. Varange, but I am speaking the truth
>and you are not.

As a matter of fact you aren't speaking the truth.
 
>Karl Marx said quite clearly, "Religion is the opiate of the masses." He
>was opposed to ALL religions.

Are you saying the ungassed 6 million were all religious?
 
>You have provided NO facts to back your assertions, and began your entire
>premise with the lie that Gus Hall was Jewish.

Gus Hall's real name is Arvo Mike Halberg, son of Lithuanian Jewish
parents.  So what.

>That has been proven false. 

Where?  On the Nizkook-Synagogue site somewhere?

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:50:16 +0000, Dene Bebbington
 wrote:

>R  wrote:
>>On 25 Nov 1996 21:35:14 -0000, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
>>
>>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>
>>>Matt Giwer posting as Freddie@pizza.slice (Freddie) writes:
>>>>On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:48:33 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Further translation from Giwerbabble: I still won't answer the questions
>>>>>as per usual, but hey, I reckon I can deflect attention from these
>>>>>awkward questions by making accusations about supposed charity fraud.
>>
>>>>     It is good to see we agree that the synagogue screens McVay's phone
>>>>calls and runs the operation as a whole.  It was a good try as long as
>>>>it ran but it wa transparent from the start.  
>>
>>>      Matt, I suggest you read Dene's post *again*, he says nothing of the
>>>sort.
>>
>>       If course he does, otherwise there would be no need to comment upon
>>the subject.
>
>My reason for commenting upon the subject is totally separate from what
>you think my reason might have been.
>
>>  Besides, he  is just a limey.  
>
>Am I supposed to give a tinker's cuss about a name (not even an original
>one) coming from an obnoxious middle aged man who spends so much of his
>time coming up with childish pseudonyms, and spouting forth such anti-
>Jewish vitriol?

You are a limey, a stinking wimpy Jew-ruled Englishmen among the many
who don't even have the balls to own guns, on stand up for a right to
do so, relying instead on "our friend the government."   You are a
fool fit for slavery.  No wonder you favor the imprisoning of
revisionists for thoughtcrime.     

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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June 1, 1996: 

MIAMI -- A Jewish father and son team were convicted of staging hate
crimes by  defacing a Jewish school's buses to drum up repair work. 

Al and Steven Rubin arranged for two teenagers to vandalize school
buses and spray-paint anti-Semitic slogans and swastikas around Hillel
Community Day  School last year. 

     . . . Steven Rubin, the school's transportation director,
directed repair business to his  father, who owned Priority Car Care.
The son also was accused of faking work for his father, including $79
oil changes billed at $4,000. 

David Michael Brown, a mechanic who once worked for Al Rubin,
testified he acted as the middleman, paying the vandals $50. 

     . . . Steven Rubin was found guilty of nine counts of theft,
three counts of burglary, two counts of criminal mischief, and
burglary conspiracy. Al Rubin was convicted of nine
counts of theft. 

In this case, fellow Jews were the monetary victims of this
"hate-crime" hoax but had the real perpetrators never been caught, who
would have been blamed for these incidents? How many such
"racist" incidents, which make their way into the frightening "hate
crime" statistics that the Jewish lobby now requires our police
agencies to compile, are in reality as-yet-unexposed hoaxes? 

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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The Nizkooks continue to abuse and defile the forum.  They continue to
subvert the purpose of alt.revisionism.  

You are being asked to desist your spamming and leave at this time.  

You already have exclusive propaganda rights in the mass media, from
the "educational" system (sic), from Hollywood.   What's the matter?
You still can't hold it together?  (snarf)

This is a last call.  You're not welcome here.  Go play in the
projects.  Go do whatever you people do:  hound geriatric Germans,
concoct oblique ways to squeeze more money out of the Hollowcause,
apply more efforts to shut down Ernst Zundel's website or firebomb his
home, push for thoughtcrime laws in America as in Europe, and whine
for more money for Israel so they can kill and legally torture more
Palestinians.    

You will not be heard to complain about "off-topic" posts in the
future.  You are hereby expanding the purview of alt.revisionism to
indefinite bounds.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:56:05 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <32970d9e.123361@news.zippo.com>, ccarp@concept.net (Chris
>Carpenter) wrote:
>
>>  "The responsibility for the last World War [WW I] rests solely
>> upon the shoulders of  the international financiers. It is upon them
>> that rests the blood of millions of dead and millions  of dying."
>> 
>> (Congressional Record, 67th Congress, 4th Session, Senate Document No.
>> 346)
>> 
>
> "Today I will once more be a prophet:  If the international Jewish
>financiers inside and outside Europe should again succeed in plunging
>the nations into a world war, the result will be...the annhilation of
>the Jewish race throughout Europe."
>
>     - Adolf  Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag;  January 30, 1939.

 "Judea declares War on Germany." (Daily Express, March 24, 1934)

>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Those who are determined to see Solzhenitzsyn as an anti-Semite will
no doubt be reinforced in their prejudices by the fact that in his
rogues gallery of Gulag torturers Jews play a very prominent part.  

Leonard Shapiro, _The New York Review of Books_, November 13, 1975.

On page 79 of Gulag Two, Solzhenitzsyn gives us the photographs of the
six top administrators of the Soviet slave-labor system [ Aaron Solts,
Naftely Frankel, Yakov Rappaport, Matvei Berman, Lazar Kogan, Genrikh
Yagoda] -- the only six commissars portrayed in the book.   All six
are Jews.  

Kurt Stele


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On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:43:52 -0700, mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van
Alstine) wrote:

>In article <19961126050400.AAA01927@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ceacaa@aol.com
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> As I have said before: "Revisionist must  explain the best "witness"  account,
>> not simply point out the obvious frauds.
>
>Mr. Allen, what deniers must do, and what they have consistantly _failed_
>to do (yourself included), is to offer reasonable explinations for their
>assorted premises denying the Holocaust that incoprorates the known
>historical facts regarding the Holocaust.

Read:  "I, Van Schmaltzstank, cannot account for the unexplainable
contractions and fanciful claims of the witness which render his
testimony worthless."  

>This, of course, is why deniers instead resort to supporting their
>arguments with sophistry and quasi-religious dogma. 

Sure.

>Not to mention gratuitous anti-Semitism and outright lies. 

Not to mention obfuscative accusations of anti-Semitism.

>> I know next to nothing about Nyiszli other than
>> that his account is most remarkable and 
>> has the inaccuracies in it (as we have both agreed).
>
>That is obvious, Mr. Allen. What is equally as obvious is that you have
>studiously ignored the _accuracies_ in Nyiszli's most remarkable account.

It is a most remarkable account indeed.

>Accuracies, btw, that are supported by the remarkable accounts of several
>other eywitnesses as well as the physical and documentary evidence.

I guess saying it is the next best thing to having it.

>> Anyway, I think the inaccuarcies are important. You don't.  
>
>No, I think the innacuraies, as well as the accurracies, in Nyiszli's
>narrative should be carefully compared against other eyewitness testimony
>and physical and documentary evidence so that the salient facts in
>Nyiszli's and others' narratives may be revealed. 

Read:  "I, Van Schmaltzstank, cannot account for the unexplainable
contractions and fanciful claims of the witness which render his
testimony worthless."  

>By the simple fact, Mr. Allen, that _you_ have repeatedly ignored the many
>accurracies in Nyiszli's narrative evidences that _you_ are not interested
>in facts, but rather to dishonestly attempt to discredit Nyiszli's
>narrative. 

Nyiszli does quite a nice job of discrediting his own narrative
himself without Mr. Allen's help and despite Van Schmaltzstank's
ineffective whitewashing.

>> Once we have identified them, that is about as far as we can take this one. 
>
>No, Mr. Allen, it is not. One can also address the _entire_ narrative-
>warts and all -and compare it to the _entire_ known body of knowledge
>concerning homicidal operations at Auschwitz. 

Except that the "entire known body of knowledge" consists of testimony
of like quality and nothing more.

>For those interested in Mr. Allen's prolific Holocaust denial and crackpot
>"theories," please visit:
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/a/allen.andrew

For those interested in further verifying the pitiful depths of Van
Schmaltzstank's exasperated alchemy of lies and guilded dung, continue
reading his posts.  

[snip]

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On 30 Nov 1996 00:03:39 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>   ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) writes:
>  On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:33:21 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
>  Perrrfect) wrote:
>  
>  In article , jstuart@tristar.org (Jim
>  Stuart) wrote:
>  
>  Thank you, comrade!  The clear, firm gaze of Adolf Hitler is
>   an inspiration to all Aryan men, to strive toward victory and
>  to battle each enemy with courage and quiet determination.  
>  
>  And then to take the coward's way out and commit suicide.
>
>I would hardly refer to Hitler's suicide as cowardice.  Fact is, the man,
>whatever else he may have been, was not a coward, as his whole career
>and war record amply proves.  The allies were simply deprived of the pleasure
>of executing him publicly and later displaying his mummified head and sex
>organs in some museum in Tel Aviv.
>>  > 
>>  >I suggest you widen your knowledge of your Fuehrer by reading some of the
>>  >documents and interviews collected by the OSS during the war. Some of the
>>  >wonderful things you'll discover are:
>
>What is OSS-the Office of Stupid Shits?

Rather the Office of Soviet Stooges.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:03:52 GMT, rbs@arches.ogre (RBS) wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:53:44 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:
>
>>Affidavit of SS member Alois Hoellriegl, a guard in Mauthausen
>>[Quoted in "Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression" - Washington, U.S Govt. 
>>Print.  Off., 1946, Vol. VIII, p. 630]
>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Executions were carried out almost daily at Mauthausen. In the 
>>years preceding 1942 they were carried out by firing squads and
>>the bodies were burned in the camp incinerator which operated
>>almost daily. SS-guards made up the firing squads and were detailed
>>for the work in a routine manner the same as for other work details.
>>Victims executed by a firing squad were always shot singly by six
>>men using rifles. The number of executions varied daily. Sometimes 
>>they included persons brought by the Gestapo who were executed
>>immediately.
>>
>>In 1942 a gas chamber resembling a shower room was built next to
>>the incinerator. Gas executions were carried out in the gas chamber
>>approximately three times a week and the bodies were burned in the
>>adjoining incinerator. From my guard post I could hear the sound of
>>the victims pounding on the door when the gas was turned on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Testimony of Albert Tiefenbacher, political prisoner in Mauthausen
>>[Quoted in "Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the
>>International Military Tribunal", Vol. XXXIII, p. 226]
>
>	Lets see here.  Not gas poured in.  Not engines turned on but "gas
>turned on."  Little Danny Keren has discovered an entirely new means
>of gassing here.  Perhaps he can find some more information in his
>copious free time as to what this gas was and the method of
>administration?  
>
>	Of course not.  He is not bright enough to notice the discrepency.
>

It's the "all gassing stories are equally valid though contradictory"
line of reasoning.   Must be a Jewish thing.

Kurt Stele

http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages
of Zionism 
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust
http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust (mirror)
http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust
(mirror)
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 



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On 26 Nov 1996 05:02:27 GMT, ceacaa@aol.com wrote:

>Mark Van Alstine wrote 23 Nov 1996 

>>I _agreed_ with you that these
>>estimates were wrong. 
>>The _real_ issue here, Mr. Allen, is that _you_ assert 
>>that because a few
>>of the details of Nyiszli's narrative are wrong and that this >"proves"
>>that Nyiszli is an unreliable witness; that by 
>>implication _all_ the
>>details of his narrative are wrong; and by 
>>extension that homicidal
>>gassings _didn't_ take place at Krema II!
>
>"By implication"?  "extenstion" , I have not argued any
>of that.  You are projecting, Mark. 
>  As I have said before:
>"Revisionist must  explain the best "witness"  account,
>not simply point out the obvious frauds.
>I know next to nothing about Nyiszli other than
>that his account is most remarkable and 
>has the inaccuracies in it (as we have both agreed).
>    Nyiszli may have been at Birkenau or he may
>not really have existed.  I am not in a position to
>say.  It would make an interesting paper for
>some history student.
>
>Anyway, I think the inaccuarcies are important.
>You don't.  Once we have identified them, that is
>about as far as we can take this one.  So...

It is important also to get these discrepancies into the hands of the
public that they can make up their own minds, that the Holocaust they
are asked to believe consists of only such testimony.

>   To be fair, I should note that Mark VanAlstine 
>once posted that the distance from the tip of his 
>index finger to his wrist was 9 cm. 

Rather Mark was referring to the size of his own penis. 

>so maybe he wouldn't have a problem
>undressing in 1.5 sq. ft. 

>  As to the other  "few details", res ipsa locutor. 
>In this same posting you admit he is off by a factor
>of 400 percent: a gas chamber twice as large as a
>football field, etc. etc.   
>
>>> You post stories you know are incorrect....
>
>>No. I have no reason to disbelieve what Nyiszli wrote...
>     400 percent off?-200 yard gaschambers?
>      3,000 people undressing in a 4,000 sq. ft. room?      
>      You giggle it off with your "theories" it 
>      was a "coded message in regard that the Soviet 
>      claim of 4 million killed at Auschwitz incorrect":

>    You have an insouciance which is next to sick. 

And a dishonesty approaching the schizoid.

>For others who may not know it (and Mark the Hoaxter
>isn't about to point it out) Nyiszli claimed to have
>lived in Krema II, to have been a doctor and a trained 
>observer, an eyewitness to every major type of Nazi
>crime at Birkenau, an assistane to Mengele, and,
>a miraclous survivor.  As I said, an amazing story.

Besides the tortured Ho'ss, Nyiszli is his favorite witness.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 


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On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:14:23 -0500, Ephraim Nussbaum
 wrote:

>the pure evil Kurt Stele again lied:

Ooooh!  I'm pure evil.  

"Muah hah hah hah hah."

>>>At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
>>>charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
>>>"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
>>>trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
>>>1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale.
>
>  and no reputable historian ever did. neither is it true
>  that Robert Jackson ever made such a charge. Jackson
>  was questioning a witness (not making a charge) about 
>  a rumor, 

And why do prosecutors question witnesses in relation to charges?  

>which likely came from nazi propaganda.
  
Yeah.  Sure.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On 26 Nov 1996 14:03:30 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   Jean-Francois Beaulieu  writes:
>
>  
>>    Well, I don't know very much the Freeman brothers,
>
>	Then shut up.
>
>
>> but it sounds
>>   like an honest proposition which leave him a generous possibility
>>   to save the face :-)
>
>	How?  By acceding to dsoemthing that is demonstrably false.  Indeed not 
>only did the Freeman brothers claim in sworn statements to the court that they were 
>members of teh NA and whined to the court that the prosecutors were going to use 
>that as the motive for the murders.
>
>	The only reason that JFB has for believing otherwise is that a nazi says so. 
> But, then, that's always good enough for him.
>
>	--YFE

Yale continues to post his deliberate lies.  For those interested in
the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all (although
they had brief contact with Mark Thomas, a follower of Christian
Identity).  He will also verify that all the information is in the
public record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers
were -not- NA members.  In the future, I would suggest Yale at least
desist from his lies for the sake of integrity since he has been
discovered as a liar.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:38:24 -0800, zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E.
Zundel Repost) wrote:
>
>Here is another short and terse one not needing any comments.
>
>One reader wrote:  "Here is a little item I found on the AP wire . . . and
>we are supposed to be the bad guys. . . ?"
>
>This November 14 article, which has since been sent to me from several
>other sources, includes this footer:  "Copyright 1996 Associated Press. All
>rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten,
>or redistributed."
>
>How am I going to tell you, then, what it contains?  That Israel's secret
>police are allowed, according to an Israeli Supreme Court ruling, "to use
>force" to extract information from political prisoners who are "believed to
>have information that could prevent a terrorist attack. . . "?
>
>The criterion is "moderate physical force."
>
>Sleep deprivation is allowed, as is the practice of tying up a prisoner "in
>painful positions."  In cases where these tactics are not deemed
>sufficient, "the  interrogators are given greater leeway."
>
>That "leeway" might include "shaking detainees."  One prisoner has already
>been shaken to death, but this is not significant, according to Israeli's
>legislator Gideon Ezra, a former deputy chief of the Shin Bet, who praised
>the court's ruling.  "This is not to take revenge or to punish,'' claims
>Ezra. "It is to achieve results.''
>
>I have nothing to add.  You are left with your own thoughts on this one.
>
>Ingrid

Why of course.   And we should be accordingly grateful for the Israel
decision to use only "moderate physical force" during the torture of
Arabs. That was actually an act of Jewish kindness of sorts, given
that goyim life is worth only a fraction of a shekel anyway.   

There is also the additional rationale that since millions of Jews
died in a (fake) holocaust, this gives Israelis the right to torture
and murder Palestinian prisoners and civilians at will.  Did I lose
any of you there?   Not surprising, since it wasn't meant to be
logical.   

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a
time, shackling them in contorted or bent-over positions and confining
them in tiny chairs or closet-like cubicles. Routinely deprived of
sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in their
clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being
bombarded with loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture
is "hooding," compelling those held for questioning to wear
foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."  

[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:35:11 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

>On Nov 18 1996, one "revisionist", who happens to be
>very active on alt.revisionism, sent the following
>e-mail to my ISP, demanding to limit my postings.
>
>Note also the threat to mailbomb my ISP if he doesn't
>agree to meet this demand.
>
>
>
># Would you please ask your user to stop spamming the
># alt.revisionism conference with holocaust material?
># It would be much appreciated.  Although this is clearly
># an unmoderated conference, his spams are making it unusable
># for its intended purpose.  This is but one of many examples.
>#
># This has gone on for over a year now since I first started
># objecting to his spamming.  I have previously limited it to
># public posting in the newsgroup.  At this point I know that
># the patience of many of the users of the conference are losing
># patience with his spamming and have suggested returning his
># spams to his provider also.
>#
># Why not save yourself some hassle and try to slow him down?
># Just an attempt to help out here.
>#
>#       Thank you for your time.
>#
># [copy of one of my articles deleted]
>
>
>
>Will this "revisionist" come forward and explain how this
>request, and this threat, are consistent with fighting for
>"freedom of speech"?
>
>
>-Danny Keren.

Danny's fellow Jews in Europe and Canda are inflicting grave damage
upon the credibility of the Holocaust position by their criminalizing
of revisionism and their constant efforts to shut down free
communication on the internet.   Danny therefore would like to portray
revisionists as "against free speech" hoping the same can be inflicted
upon revisionists.   However, poor Danny's ruse is useless since it is
clear that no side wants open and free public discussion on the
Holocaust more than revisionists do.   It is only the Holocausters
whose views are cowardly shielded from disagreement by law.  Nowhere
is it "illegal" to express agreement with the Holocaust, yet in a
growing number of countries in Europe it is actually "illegal" (i.e.,
a "thoughtcrime") to express disagreement with the Holocaust. 

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a
time, shackling them in contorted or bent-over positions and confining
them in tiny chairs or closet-like cubicles. Routinely deprived of
sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in their
clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being
bombarded with loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture
is "hooding," compelling those held for questioning to wear
foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."  

[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]


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On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:21:50 GMT, rbs@arches.ogre (RBS) wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:54:08 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:

>>Oh, we all know what a humane, thoughtful chap "dvdthomas"
>>is. Question is, why doesn't he apply this type of "humor"
>>to testimonies about alleged atrocities committed against
>>Germans?
>
>	Good point, both are in the same category, no physical evidence.
>No ruptured testicles, no gassed bodies.  

If Danny wants to believe German prisoners were not tortured by
Allies, or that the Civil War never happened, or that Dresden never
occurred, that is his prerogative.  However, by doing so he does
nothing to help explain the contradictions and impossibilities of the
Holohoax, nor to account for its lack of physical evidence.

Poor Danny.  Having to stoop to such folly to try to wriggle out of
the Tale's falsehoods.

Kurt Stele

http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web Pages
of Zionism 
http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource Site
http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/holo/index.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust
http://www.demon.co.uk/natofeur/mgindex.html Reflections upon the
Holocaust (mirror)
http://netnow.micron.net/~kurtstel/">Reflections upon the Holocaust
(mirror)
http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html The
Leuchter Report
http://www.hoffman-info.com/ The Hoffman Report
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/ Greg Raven's Website
http://www.codoh.com/irving/irving.html David Irving
http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust
(Bradley Smith) 
http://www.pixi.com/~bewise/ Be Wise as Serpents
http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/index.html  L'Association des Anciens
Amateurs de Récits de Guerre et d'Holocauste (also in English)  
http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~abutz/ Arthur R. Butz 
http://www.air-photo.com/ Air Photo Evidence (John Ball)
http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html Adelaide Institute 



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On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:20:07 -0500, schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka
Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <329bc0d2.11317388@news.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt
>Stele) wrote:
>
>*yawn*
> 
>Give it up, Mr. "Stele," you've been proved wrong.
> 
>Live with it.
> 
>Sara

Er, no.  As anyone can verify with a single phonecall to Mr. Steinberg
(the prosecutor of the case), Yale is lying:  they were not NA members
and they never "swore in court' that they were.  Or you can pick up
the book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen about the Freeman Brothers and
read it for yourself.   The prosecutor of the Freeman Brothers case
has already stated they were not NA members.  Did you call him yet?  I
guess your buddy Yale has again been proven a liar.  Pity.  He made up
so many interesting details to further his lie too.  It was quite
elaborate.  Everytime I asked him about he spooled out more creative
details, all fabrications.  I gave him plenty enough rope to hang
himself.  

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.

END SIG.



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On 30 Nov 1996 08:03:47 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) writes:
>>  ceacaa@aol.com wrote:
>
>>  :     However, Nyiszli was a Ph.d, 
>  
>>  Really? 
>>  In what subject?
>>  From which university?
>
>	He was a pathologist.  "I spent three years at the Boroslo Institute of 
>Forensic Medicine, where I had a chance to study every possible form of suicide 
>under the supervision of Professor Strasseman."  (Page 35, Arcade Press edition).

>	--YFE

When are you going to retract your lie that the Freeman Brothers were
NA members?

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted the deliberate lie
that the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in
the verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.

END SIG.


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On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:05:30 -0800, zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E.
Zundel Repost) wrote:

>"On his own, Mr. Goldberg has already judged Ernst Zundel guilty, as has
>been revealed by internal memos by him obtained under the Freedom of
>Information Act.  I tell you here and now - our opposition will regret
>this.  This moves my struggle out of Canada to the world-wide stage of the
>Internet for global freedom of expression where a brisk wind is blowing."
>
>As has already happened twice before when Zionist-beholden factions tried
>to interfere in massive power grabs regarding content posted on the
>Zundelsite, this website is again becoming the focus for the global
>struggle for freedom of expression on the Net.

Once again the international Jewish establishment proves itself
committed to using any means, especially including imprisonment and
censorship, to suppress freedom of information and dissent.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 



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On 30 Nov 1996 12:13:56 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>"According to instructions issued by the German Commandant, all the school children
>were ordered to appear at the school at a given time.  On arrival, the 245 children,
>school books in hand, were sent to a factory school outside the town, allegedly for
>a walk.  There the cold and hungry infants were offered coffee and poisoned pies.  
>Since there was not enough coffee to go round, those who did not get any were 
>sent to the infirmary where a German orderly smeared their lips with a quick acting
>poison.  In a few minutes all the children were dead.  School children of the higher 
>grades were carried off in trucks and shot down by machine gun fire 8 kilometers
>outside of the town.  The bodies of the first batch of murdered children were brought
>to the same spot-a very large, very long, anti-tank ditch." Pg. 493.  IMT, Vol. VII.

And to think that to doubt this is a "hate crime."

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 


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On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 11:22:42 GMT, Leprechan@is.back (PJO) wrote:

>	What we have here is either an example of the eastern storyteller's
>art or someone who was never there fabricating a story.  In the former
>case there is no way to tell what else he is exaggerating in addition
>to the mountains of shoes and clothing.  In the latter case, the man
>is a baldfaced liar.  

Only the Holohoaxsters have the audacity to ask us, nay order us to
consider these obvious exaggerations with the same solemnity given to
Avogadro's number.  It is an almost incomprehensible audacity.  It is
a primitive and ancient audacity.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full
of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects,
overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be
lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New
York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65. 






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Subject: Re: Air Photo Evidence ?
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On 30 Nov 1996 01:44:13 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:
>  
>>  	Why wouldn't the prosecution have gone out and done the common
>>  recognized practice of obtaining photographic evidence for their
>>  position at the Holocaust trials? 
>
>	You are, once more, woefully ignorant of what was presented at the 
>Nuremberg trials.  There were, in fact, photogarphs and movies of Auschwitz 
>presented as evidence.
>
>>  	Air photo evidence, or any other kind of photographic evidence?
>>  None?
>
>	It was there.  Descriptions of the movies and the reaction to them can 
>be found in Taylor, "The Anatomy of the Nurmberg Trials" (pages 316-8 -- first 
>paperback edition 1992)
>  
>>  	Failure to obtain and present physical evidence means something.
>
>	Yes.  It means that, once more, you do not know what you are talking 
>about.  It must be a very common feeling for you.
>
>	--YFE

Yale, when are you going to retract your lie that the Freeman Brothers
were NA members?

Kurt Stele

On October 19th and thereafter, Yale Eideken posted several times, and
with wholly fabricated accompanying details, the deliberate lie that
the Freeman Brothers were "NA members."  For those interested in the
verifying the truth of the Freeman Case, please call Mr. Robert
Steinberg at 610-820-3100.  Mr. Steinberg is the district attorney who
prosecuted the Freeman brothers case.  Mr. Steinberg will verify that
not only were the Freeman brothers not NA members, but the Freeman
brothers were not members of a formal organization at all.  Mr.
Steinburg will also verify that all the information is in the public
record for one to verify that in fact, the Freeman Brothers were -not-
NA members.  Also, the recent book _Blood Crimes_ by Fred Rosen
reveals that the Freeman Brothers were not NA members.  In the future,
I would suggest Yale at least desist from his lies for the sake of
integrity since he has been discovered as a liar.





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On 30 Nov 1996 11:24:05 GMT, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>“The commandant of the Yanov Camp, Obersturmfuehrer Willhaus, 
>systematically shot with an automatic rifle from the balcony of his office 
>room the prisoners employed in the workshops, partly for sheer love of 
>sport and partly to amuse his wife and daughters.  He would then hand his 
>rifle to his wife and she too had a shot at the prisoners.  Sometimes, to 
>please his 9 year-old daughter, he had children between the ages of 2 and 4 
>tossed in the air and then took pot shots at them, while his daughter 
>applauded and shreiked  “Papa, do it again!; do it again, Papa!”  And he did 
>it again.”  (!!!)

More Adams family-type stuff.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans invented" a device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no
trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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