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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 18:55:40 GMT
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	The next step is to establish your case.  Again, the denier efforts fail to 
>do this.  Remember the burden is upon you to present the evidence.  Look at 
>another concrete example.  You have charged that Hoess' confession was 
>coerced by physical torture.  When asked for your evidence, your response was 
>that you had "a reasonable suspicion."  Sorry, sonny boy, there isn't a judge in 
>the United States who would listen to that argument.  Please note, I am not 
>saying "believe" the argument.  You would not even get that far.

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele

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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month 4)
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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>Economies of scale being what they are, it's much cheaper for large food
>companies to produce only one type of food.  Since in many cases a large
>part of producing kosher food is the entire factory itself and its
>condition, producing _non_ kosher food would require going to extra
>effort to build an entirely new factory!

>And since the insignificant expenditure to get the kosher certification
>opens up a market to millions more people, it actually _decreases_ the
>cost to the consumer.

This simply begs the question of how much the food would otherwise cost if nearly every
company didn't -have- to kowtow to Kosher food standards?

There is then the added cost of the municipal Kosher official, whose salary is paid by
tax-payer money, along with fees extorted from food companies to have "kosher inspectors"
"certify" kosher food.

Considering that kosher food tax is imposed on virtually the entire food market, the
amount of money extorted for "kosher certification" adds up to several millions of dollars
every year.

It is even more ridiculous when observes that even among the 2% of the population that is
Jewish only a relative minority are religious anyway.  

98% are forced to pay out for the religious demands of 2% of the people.

It become further scandalous when one sees the Kosher symbol on non-food products such as
tinfoil. The operation is an obvious scam.

What other group forces the rest of the nation to pay out large sums of money to observe
its superstitious customs, and has the power to force compliance to such a blanket
regulation?   

If Christians forced every food product to be blessed by a priest or bear the mark of the
cross Jews would quickly challenge it in court and it would immediately struck down as
violating "Church and State."  

Christians comprise a far greater percentage of the population than Jews do, yet they are
not permitted to force the entire food industry to observe religious standards.

The Kosher Food Racket is another testimony to the inordinate and grossly disproportionate
power Jews possess and to the special treatment they receive.

When people protest the special treatment Jews receive, as in the $1 million handout given
from taxpayer money to multimillionaire director Steven Spielberg, or the several millions
extracted each year for the Holocaust Tabernacle, or the $10 billion dollars a year given
to Israel mostly to maintain up their socialist economy, the Jews always shrug it off and
claim "ah, vat the hell.  Vhat's a few million dollars distributed over 250 million
people?"  

Besides being consummately arrogant, it completely obfuscates the point that Jews -do-
receive special privileges no other group receives.  The point is that Jews receive
special privileges, and always at the expense of the population at large.  That is why
Jews have had the reputation as parasites in every nation they have ever inhabited.

Kurt Stele

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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Israeli Use of Torture to Interrogate Palestinians (II)
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III. THE VICTIMS
    
'Abd al-Ra'uf Ghabin 

'Abd al-Ra'uf Ghabin was accused of being involved in the
printing and distributions of leaflets of the Popular Front
for the Liberation of Palestine and was arrested in August
1990.  He was initially interrogated but was then placed in
administrative detention without charge or trial until
August 1991.  He denied the accusations and said in an
affidavit in September 1990 that after his arrest he was
deprived of sleep for three weeks, with breaks at week-ends
and for one other period of two hours: 

    "I was interrogated every day, Saturdays excepted,
    starting on 30 August 1990 until 18 September 1990...
    During the interrogation I was beaten four to six times
    -- on my head, abdomen, genitals -- usually with a
    fist."

Nader Qumsieh

Nader Qumsieh was arrested between 3 and 4 May 1993,
apparently by the IDF.  He sustained an injury to his
scrotum while under interrogation in the Dhahiriyyah
detention centre, as evident from his medical records.  One
medical report claims that Nader Qumsieh said he had fallen
down stairs, whereas he has repeatedly stated that he was
injured as a result of torture.  He said he was beaten on
his face, stomach and testicles and repeatedly confined
into a closet-size cell.  This is how he described the last
interrogation session on 11 May:

    "I was handcuffed and kneeling.  'Amir' [one of the
    interrogators] told me that I was organizing and
    active, I told him I was not.  At this point he
    told me to stand up.  Suddenly he began to kick me
    on my testicles and stomach.  At 11.00 a soldier
    came and took me to the khazana [the closet-size
    cell]."  

B.  Deaths in custody

Since the beginning of the Palestinian intifada in December
1987, some 16 Palestinians are reported to have died after
punitive beatings at the time of or shortly after arrest by
Israeli forces.  At least eight others died in detention
centres and one died shortly after release in circumstances
relating to their treatment while under interrogation. 
Torture and ill-treatment, together with medical
negligence, appear to have been the cause of or a
contributory factor to their deaths.  

    In the five cases outlined below, the detainees were
aged between 22 and 35 and all died within days of their
arrest.  Official autopsies were carried out in all cases
by Dr Yehuda Hiss, Director of the Leon Greenberg Institute
of Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir.  Foreign pathologists
acting on behalf of the victim's family were able to attend
the official autopsies with the exception of the first
case.  In this instance the autopsy report and other
relevant documents were reviewed at length by a British
forensic pathologist.

Mahmud al-Masri

Mahmud al-Masri, aged 32, died in Gaza prison on 6 March
1989, three days after his arrest.  He was held under
interrogation by the GSS on suspicion of belonging to an
illegal organization and providing weapons to people
apparently involved in the killing of Palestinians
suspected of collaborating with the Israeli authorities. 
According to statements of interrogators and prison
personnel, he was hooded, handcuffed and forced to sit for
prolonged periods on a chair in a corridor.

    Dr Yehuda Hiss, who performed the autopsy, found that
Mahmud al-Masri had died as a result of peritonitis due to
perforation of a chronic stomach ulcer.  According to the
Israeli authorities, he described the death as the result
of a chronic natural illness, not attributable to an
injury, and indicated that there were no signs of violence
on the detainee's body.  Professor Derrick Pounder, Head of
the Department of Forensic Medicine at Dundee Royal
Infirmary, reviewed the autopsy report and other
documentation, including statements of interrogators and
prison personnel.  He considered that "the psychological
and physical stress of the sudden arrest, intense
interrogation over two days, and physical violence,
precipitated the perforation of the stomach ulcer and
indirectly caused the death".  The autopsy report recorded
24 injuries of different ages but all sustained during
detention, indicating in his opinion that Mahmud al-Masri
"was subjected to repeated physical violence".  

    The autopsy evidence proves that the stomach ulcer
perforated about 24 hours prior to Mahmud al-Masri's death. 
No effective medical treatment was provided during this
period although he was visibly ill.  On the evidence of
interrogators and prison personnel he vomited on a few
occasions and at least once vomited blood, was moaning and
writhing in pain, unable to walk upright and complaining
about stomach pains.  Furthermore, in the 24-hour period in
which he was dying from the perforated ulcer, Mahmud al-
Masri was subjected to two further interrogation session. 
Professor Derrick Pounder noted that "[m]edical treatment
during this time would have likely saved his life but none
was given."  Professor Derrick Pounder also noted that
"[t]he statements of prison guards, the paramedic and Shin
Bet members make it clear that control over the movement,
care and availability of medical treatment for prisoners in
the General Security Service Wing of Gaza Prison lies, in
practice, exclusively with the Shin Bet".

    As a result of the official investigation, the GSS
interrogators involved were disciplined for "their lack of
coordination with the Prison Service Personnel" and because
"al-Masri's medical condition had been neglected".  The
nature of the disciplinary measure was not disclosed.  A
medic was punished by 10 days of actual imprisonment, a
reduction in rank and a severe reprimand "for negligence
and unbecoming behavior."

Khaled Shaikh 'Ali

Khaled Shaikh 'Ali, aged 27, died on 19 December 1989 also
in Gaza prison, 12 days after he had been arrested on
suspicion of belonging to an illegal organization and
possession of weapons.  One month earlier, two soldiers had
been killed in an armed attack.  According to the Israeli
authorities, "Ali disclosed the location of some weapons,
which were hidden in his courtyard" and included two sub-
machine guns and a hand grenade.  However, "[d]espite
information from other sources that additional weapons,
including the murder weapon, were in Ali's possession, he
refused to furnish the interrogators with any further
information or to hand over the weapons."  The Israeli
authorities have not provided Amnesty International with
the results of the official autopsy.  Dr Michael Baden,
Director of Forensic Sciences for the New York State
Police, observed the official autopsy and concluded that
Khaled Shaikh 'Ali died "from internal bleeding as a result
of blows to the abdomen".  

    As a result of the official investigation, two members
of the GSS were brought to trial and found guilty of
"causing death by negligence", under Article 304 of the
Penal Law which prescribes a penalty of up to three years'
imprisonment.  They were sentenced to six months'
imprisonment and suspended from their employment in the
GSS.  Their appeal against their sentence was rejected. 
According to the Israeli authorities:

    "The opinion of the judge of the Jerusalem District
    Court stated that the goal of the interrogators had
    been to obtain vital information regarding the
    whereabouts of the remaining weapons in Ali's
    possession in order to prevent the carrying out of
    additional murders.  The opinion also stated that the
    interrogators did not intend to bring about Ali's
    death."

Mustafa 'Akkawi

Mustafa 'Akkawi, aged 35, died in the early hours of 4
February 1992 in Hebron (al-Khalil) prison, while under
interrogation by the GSS.  He had been arrested on 22
January on suspicion of belonging to the Popular Front for
the Liberation of Palestine.  Israeli officials reportedly
admitted that during interrogation they kept him in
freezing temperatures and subjected him at various times to hooding,
sleep deprivation (while tied hands and feet to a chair)
and to forms of "shaking".  At a remand hearing on 3
February the judge extended his detention but ordered a
medical examination after hearing Mustafa Akkawi
complaining of beatings and noting the presence of bruises
on his arms and shoulders.  However, Mustafa 'Akkawi was
taken back into interrogation and held in similar
conditions.  He complained of feeling ill but received no
adequate treatment before he died.

    The official autopsy report determined that Mustafa
'Akkawi's death was caused by heart failure due to coronary
artery arteriosclerosis, a preexisting condition not
detected by the medical examination conducted after arrest
and apparently unknown to the detainee himself.  According
to the Israeli authorities, Dr Yehuda Hiss concluded that
Mustafa 'Akkawi's death was "definitely not the result of
physical pressure, although the conditions of his detention
and the circumstances preceding his death may have affected
the onset of his heart failure".  According to Dr Michael
Baden, who observed the official autopsy on behalf of the
Boston-based Physicians for Human Rights, Mustafa 'Akkawi
"died of a heart attack precipitated by the emotional
pressure, physical exertion, and freezing temperatures he
was forced to withstand, along with lack of proper medical
care".  His body showed evidence of multiple injuries
sustained while in custody.

Mustafa Barakat 

Mustafa Barakat, aged 23, died on 4 August 1992 in the
Tulkarem detention centre, some 36 hours after arrest.  He
had suffered asthma attacks in earlier years and because of
this took an inhaler with him when detained.  He was
apparently nevertheless subjected to hooding and suffered
an asthma attack, from which he recovered using his
inhaler.  A prison doctor who visited him in the morning of
4 August, after the asthma attack, is said to have
recommended that an additional inhaler be kept available. 
Although it appears that hooding was then discontinued,
Mustafa Barakat reportedly underwent a further
interrogation session that afternoon.  He died shortly
after being taken back to a detention cell. 

Ayman Nassar

Ayman Nassar, aged 22, died on 2 April 1992 in Barzalai
hospital 13 days after his arrest during a military
operation in Deir al-Balah in which a "smoke bomb" was used
to force him out of a hide-out.  Witnesses say that he was
coughing when he came out and was beaten immediately after
arrest on 20 March.  Three other men arrested with him
complained of having again been beaten in Ashkelon prison
and subjected to hooding, prolonged shackling and sleep
deprivation.  Ayman Nassar was taken back to Deir al-Balah
on 23 March, apparently to reveal a weapons cache, and
witnesses described him as unable to walk or talk properly
and as having fallen to the ground.  He was hospitalized
that same day.

    The official autopsy report indicated that he died of
"acute respiratory distress syndrome".  According to
Professor Jorgen Dalgaard of the Institute of Forensic
Medicine of the University of Aarhus, who observed the
autopsy on behalf of Physicians for Human Rights --
Denmark, Ayman Nassar died from "pneumonia due to ruptured
lung blisters ... presumably due to irritating smoke ...
and possibly influenced through beating on the chest".  The
pathologist believes that Ayman Nassar might have survived
had adequate medical treatment been provided earlier.  The
Israeli authorities have told Amnesty International in
February 1994 that a coroner's inquest had been initiated.



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	blackmore lies again.  The reference was, of course, to his 
>unsupported allegation that the Hoess confession was extracted by torture.  
>Please note the dishonest editing of my post.  Please note as well that the 
>original blackmore allegation was that there was no water available to Kramer 
>to supply the inmates he tortured by thirst.  If blackmore has proved anything 
>ten times over, it is that he was in error.

>	--YFE

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>>
>>	I have yet to see a claim that all confessions were obtained under torture
>>any more than anyonc claims all confessions by witches were obtained under
>>torture.  

>Huh? Which witches where? What particualr cases are you speaking about
>and what are the specific dates? 


Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele

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Subject: Re: Einsatzgruppen Reports - OSR USSR #45
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <5343fh$38q@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com4 Oct 1996
>22:35:29 GMT writes:
>:>I will refer the reader to my many posts both here and at Dejanews.  THEY can
>:>decide whether I have met the burden of proof or not.

>Please read again (or for the first time, as one of your colleagues would say)
>the post above.  Your posts have not proved anything--they are simply your
>opinions and speculations.

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele

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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: THE MANY-FACED ILYA EHRENBURG
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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

>>dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

Judith,

You are of course, correct.  Stalin's chief propagandist, the Jew Ehrenberg, incited
Soviets to the largest mass rape in the history of the world.  Ehrenberg, however, was
never tried for any war crimes because Allied atrocities were done to Germans, and "we
-want- German women to be raped" so the thinking goes.

It's standard operating hypocrisy by the Exterminationist side to denounce alleged Nazi
atrocities (allegations that contradict each other and make little sense on the face of
them and have little proof, e.g., "gas chambers"), and then to deny the occurrence of the
atrocities which their beloved "can do no wrong" Allies committed on German women and
children.

But don't worry.  Their bedraggled, hokey, trounced-upon piece of filth known as the
"Holocaust', which has secured the Jews so much largesse in the past 50 years, is finally
being revealed as the shoddy, vicious little Hoax that it is.   

I guess when that happens Dr. Keren will have to find himself a real job, no?

Kurt Stele

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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Is there a jewish political agenda?
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>	It is often ridiculed that there is a jewish political agenda in this
>country or in this world for that matter.  

>	But at the same time it is taken as a given that the fundie christians (who
>are by polling data 63% registered democrats) have a political agenda.  

>	What is it that makes jews so strange at not to have a political agenda
>when they (again by the polls) are 90% registered democrats and vote 83%
>for democrat candidates as an average across elections.  Why are they no
>different from every other identifiable group such as the blacks with a
>similar registration and voting pattern?  

>	Just what is the problem with pointing out that as a whole jews will vote
>in favor of the pro-Israel part of their agenda as much a christian fundies
>will vote in favor of banning abortion as part of their agenda?

Races also vote according to race.  In the recent mayoral election in Miami, over 90% of
the Black voters for the Black candidate, about 85% Hispanic voted for the Hispanic
candidate.  The only people that do not consistently vote according to race are White
people, which demolishes the common belief that Whites are the most racist (the opposite
is true, of course).    

The least racist people in the society will always be the most criticized for their racism
while the most racist people (Jews) will always be the least criticized for their racism.
This is because only a relatively non-racist people will put up with perpetual attacks on
their racism.  

Jews don't want  people to know about their racism because Jews want Whites to believe
racism is the greatest evil, because that suits the Jewish agenda.

Kurt Stele

>=====
>Read the information holohuggers fear
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
>http://www.alquds.org.80/www/zionism/zionism.html



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is there a jewish political agenda?
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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>	There are certainly some fundamentalist Christians who have an agenda:
>the Moral Majority had an agenda. There is the Institute for Creation research,
>which has a pro-creationism agenda.

>	These are organisations that are no secret and have existed. I know of
>no Jewish organisation of a similar nature.

Ever heard of the B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the JDL, just to name two?

Kurt Stele



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Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele

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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Kramer on the half-shell
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>	It appears that all of the "guilt" of Kramer at Bergen-Belsen rests totally
>and completely upon the British claim that the Brits were able to do
>something in five days that Kramer did not try to do in the last thirty
>days.  

>	Is there some other point upon which his "guilt" lies?  

jblackmore already gave the Holocausters' silly claims about Kramer a thorough drubbing.

Kurt Stele

>=====
>Read the information holohuggers fear
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
>http://www.alquds.org.80/www/zionism/zionism.html



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The Kosher Food Racket:  Another Scam
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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>Economies of scale being what they are, it's much cheaper for large food
>companies to produce only one type of food.  Since in many cases a large
>part of producing kosher food is the entire factory itself and its
>condition, producing _non_ kosher food would require going to extra
>effort to build an entirely new factory!

>And since the insignificant expenditure to get the kosher certification
>opens up a market to millions more people, it actually _decreases_ the
>cost to the consumer.

This simply begs the question of how much the food would otherwise cost if nearly every
company didn't -have- to kowtow to Kosher food standards?

There is then the added cost of the municipal Kosher official, whose salary is paid by
tax-payer money, along with fees extorted from food companies to have "kosher inspectors"
"certify" kosher food.

Considering that kosher food tax is imposed on virtually the entire food market, the
amount of money extorted for "kosher certification" adds up to several millions of dollars
every year.

It is even more ridiculous when observes that even among the 2% of the population that is
Jewish only a relative minority are religious anyway.  

98% are forced to pay out for the religious demands of 2% of the people.

It become further scandalous when one sees the Kosher symbol on non-food products such as
tinfoil. The operation is an obvious scam.

What other group forces the rest of the nation to pay out large sums of money to observe
its superstitious customs, and has the power to force compliance to such a blanket
regulation?   

If Christians forced every food product to be blessed by a priest or bear the mark of the
cross Jews would quickly challenge it in court and it would immediately struck down as
violating "Church and State."  

Christians comprise a far greater percentage of the population than Jews do, yet they are
not permitted to force the entire food industry to observe religious standards.

The Kosher Food Racket is another testimony to the inordinate and grossly disproportionate
power Jews possess and to the special treatment they receive.

When people protest the special treatment Jews receive, as in the $1 million handout given
from taxpayer money to multimillionaire director Steven Spielberg, or the several millions
extracted each year for the Holocaust Tabernacle, or the $10 billion dollars a year given
to Israel mostly to maintain up their socialist economy, the Jews always shrug it off and
claim "ah, vat the hell.  Vhat's a few million dollars distributed over 250 million
people?"  

Besides being consummately arrogant, it completely obfuscates the point that Jews -do-
receive special privileges no other group receives.  The point is that Jews receive
special privileges, and always at the expense of the population at large.  That is why
Jews have had the reputation as parasites in every nation they have ever inhabited.

Kurt Stele


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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: SHOAH Uses ONLY Primary Sources
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kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:

>Read a book or two, and take a class or two.  Perhaps visting the
>Holocaust Museum, either in Washington, D.C. or Israel, would be
>beneficial.  Stop posting lies and actually research what you are talking
>about.  Back up some of your ignorant and wrong claims.  YOU ARE WRONG, 
>IT HAS BEEN PROVEN.  Hitler proved it.  Weisel proved it.  Countless
>others proved it, and you know it, you bigoted ass.  Now shoo.  You're
>rantings will no longer be indulged.

"Wiesel" proved it....

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Kurt Stele



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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>> Complains
>>  were done. Judge Van Roden and Simpson backed the claim

>	They most certainly did not.  

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: YFE and oaths
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:03:36 GMT
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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>	Now Yale F. Ediken is a self proclaimed attorney practicing before the
>courts in Pennsylvania.  

>	He has also publically stated that I have committed a crime.

>	He has also reported this "crime" to my service proivider, Worldnet, with
>the claim that he is an attorney.  

>	However, as an officer of the court under his oath before the bar, he has
>REFUSED to report my "crime" even after a week of my publically demanding
>that he report me.  

>	Mr. Ediken has promoted his lies to both NETCOM and AT&T and still refuses
>to report this crime to law enforcement authorities as is his SWORN duty as
>an officer of the court.  
>	
>	It is clear that Mr. Ediken is either 

>	1) not an attorney

>	or 

>	2) is lying.

Yale has already proven himself a liar before. 

I hope that helps to explain the situation.

Kurt Stele

>=====
>Read the information holohuggers fear
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
>http://www.alquds.org.80/www/zionism/zionism.html



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	You have failed to present a single fact indicating that Hoess was tortured 
>into giving a confession.

>	--YFE

Judge Edward L. van Roden reveals the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

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appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele

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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: antisemitism
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <53c9ne$13@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>, 
>cjsaunde@netcom.ca (Christopher Saunders) wrote:

>>The word "anti-Semite" is an insult.  When someone criticizes Jews,
>>they are labelled an "anti-Semite."  What if this person has reasonble

>Tilt. Sorry, that answer is incorrect. I have criticized Jews,

[snip]

Chris,

When addressing Nizkor-ites, every sentence uttered has to be hypertechnically drawn.

You are of course, correct, that when someone criticizes Jews, they are labelled an
"anti-Semite."   Your sentence is written in everyday, normal language, and is fine. 

But you have to speak a slightly different language to Nizkor-people (they are a bit 
strange).   Let me rephrase the sentence into the language for you:

"Whenever a goyim criticizes Jews, and -also- is not known as a friend/lackey of the Jews,
her or she or it is called an "anti-semite."  

See the difference?   There really isn't any, and that is why there is no need to rephrase
your entire sentence to suit the strangeness of Nizkor-people.  For normal people who know
the score, of course, your sentence needs no revision and is describes perfectly the
reality which you refer to.  

Noone bothers to address Nizkor-ites seriously on this conference.  They are almost never
the "target group" of any post (that would be a waste of time) but rather the objective,
reachable lurker is.

Kurt Stele

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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>cjsaunde@netcom.ca (Christopher Saunders) writes:

>>I disagree.  The only way Zundel can be CONCLUSIVELY refuted is in a
>>face-to-face debate.  There are limits as to the amount of debating
>>that can be done via the Internet.  

>There are greater limits in a realtime (face-to-face) debate. Don't
>you ever watch arguments on television? One earns points by lying
>convincingly. That doesn't work so well on a newsgroup, because others
>can spend a few hours looking up the facts and posting them, with
>references for anyone who cares to check. Deniers resent this, of 
>course, and (with some exceptions) whine endlessly about being asked
>to provide sources to prove various outrageous assertions--look at
>various posts from Giwer and Moran for examples. They would prefer
>to bluff unchallenged, which is usually pretty safe in a realtime
>environment, when no one calls timeout to slog off to the library
>to check a point.

>Frankly, face-to-face debate with unscrupulous adversaries is a
>complete waste of time. This is why the deniers are so keen on it.

We can rest assured that Exterminationists would debate face-to-face if it they could gain
from it. 

The fact is, they can't.  They could only lose (and lose badly) and so they cowardly
refuse to do so.

Kurt Stele

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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:

>  The NO-1257 is described as a 'certified copy' of Pohl's letter. I don't
> know if it is genuine or not. Most of the other documents (15 or 20) that
> appear in the next pages are genuine documents that have often a handwritten
> signature of Himmler's handwritten annotations on a page. But for this 'certi-
> fied copy' this is another matter. I don't know. But let's take a look at the
> contain:

>First, this document deal exclusivelly with the Auschwitz complex (as described
>in the green series, not in your text) and the Lublin camp. Since the action
>Reinhardt was depriving Jews of their properties I'm not surprised to see clothes,
>shirts, and so on...: they were carrying luggages and a part of their possesions
>were grab on the way to eastern ghettos. Also, since this document concern
>Auschwitz and Lublin, we may expect in february 1943 not only clothes but also
>shoes from deceased people. Contrarely to Treblinka Auschwitz wasn't a transit
>camp only and dozens of thousands of people were working there, few dozens of
>thousands had died from typhus in the previous year (I think it was 45,000
>plus about 120,000 alleged 'gassed jews'). If I'm taking in account that this
>document concern also Madjaneck, the 31,000 men's shoes do account for appro-
>ximativelly the number of men who died from natural causes (about 2/3 of the
>inmates were men). If I'm considering now women's shoes, 111,000 is hight.
>However, women have often more shoes or clothes than men. On a first glance,
>such a document do not proove that women who were deprived of one of their 2
>or 3 pairs of shoes were killed. If we consider the number of people allegedly
>exterminated in those 2 camps, more than half of the men's shoes are missing.
>Does it sound to you like if they were not killed?

In other words, Keren's  posted "document" about clothes and shoes doesn't prove shit.

Yeah, Keren does stuff like that.

Kurt Stele

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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>In article <538jkt$t4u@bluto.accesscomm.net>, dleonik@accesscomm.net (Dan
>Leonik) wrote:

>>In the interests of diversity of opinion, and in freedom of thought
>>and expression, I forward this document to the thinking people of
>>Houston:

>[October 5th ZGram snipped]

>In other words, the neo-Nazi organization I work with, the National
>Alliance, loses every argument in every open forum, so let's try to lie
>about Nizkor and spam neo-Nazi propaganda where maybe they won't notice.
>Followups set to alt.fan..ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism, where anyone
>interested in "diversity of opinion" can look any day. Some "diverse" web
>sites in this vein include http://www.c2.org/~bs-org/ , where you can
>learn about the Conspiracy of International Jewry to induce Mad-Cow
>Disease via Aspartame (NutraSweet), and http://www.hoffman-info.com/ ,
>which sells the kookiest videos ever produced (and I've seen the Subgenius
>video). For the archives of the most prolific "Holocaust Revisionist" on
>the net today, see http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

>Parental guidance suggested.

>References:

> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/leonik.dan

>Recent articles in alt.revisionism and comp.org.eff.talk:

> 
> 
> <531okg$gdv@Networking.Stanford.EDU>
> <536snf$7nv@infinity.c2.net>

>Hope this helps.

>-rich

Several exterminationist seek to support their shoddy, slapdash, shredded, and throroughly
discredited "Holocaust" theory impugning revisionists.  

Of course, as the intelligent realize, none of the personal attacks have ANYTHING to do
with the lack of the evidence for the "Holocaust," or the fact that the "holocaust" number
has changed drastically from 6 million to 34,000, or the fact that there was not enough
coal to run the crematoria according to "Holocaust" claims, or the fact that Nazis were
tortured at Nuremberg as the American Judge van Roden fully admitted, nor does it have
anything to do with a -host- of other impossibilities in the "Holocaust."

All it means is:  that is virtually all exterminationists currently have to respond to the
revisionist arguments which have disemboweled their precious Hoax.  

What an embarrassment it is to have one's Lies exposed, no?   I have to hand it to the
Arabian countries as they far ahead of the U.S.:  they already know the "Holocaust" is a
hoax.  That fact is common knowledge over there.

We're getting there, though.   Slowly but surely...

Kurt Stele

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From: yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken)
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Subject: Re: Nazi "Confessions" Given Under Torture
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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>  Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" 
were secured:
>  British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily 
News_,
>  January 9th, 1949, 

	Written before the public release of the Simpson Report.  The quoted 
statements are found nowhere in the report.
  
>  Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army 
Commission subseqently
>  appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

	The Simpson Report found that the allegations of physical brutality 
against the Malmedy defendants (and the investigation was limited to those trials) 
were unfounded.  No medical evidence of such torture was found when the 
persons making those allegations were examined.

	--YFE

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>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

  
>  Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis 
"admissions" were secured:


>  Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army 
Commission subseqently
>  appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

	And the commission found that the allegations of physical brutality 
were not true.  Van Roden signed off on the report.  The report was made public 
during Congressional investigations in the early 1950's.  I note that you citer 
neither the report or any story from anyone who read the report.

	--YFE
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               ISRAEL AND THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES

Torture and ill-treatment
of political detainees

I.  INTRODUCTION

Thousands are arrested and held on security grounds every
year in Israel and the Occupied Territories, while the
Palestinian intifada which began in December 1987 and the
peace process initiated in Madrid in 1991 continue.  Many
of those in custody are subjected to methods of
interrogation amounting to torture or ill-treatment,
possibly in implementation of secret guidelines for
interrogation endorsing the use of "a moderate measure of
physical pressure".  The official investigations of
allegations of torture or ill-treatment have so far been
inadequate, a factor that may discourage the reporting of,
and the taking of legal action against, torture.

II. THE INTERROGATION OF POLITICAL DETAINEES

Role of confessions

Confessions and other statements obtained during prolonged
incommunicado detention are often the main evidence against
detainees brought before the military courts operating in
the Occupied Territories.  Although defendants may retract
their confessions in court, prosecutors and judges often
put pressure on them to accept a plea-bargain rather than
ask for an investigation of allegations of torture or ill-
treatment and continue with a full trial.  In addition to
prolonged incommunicado detention, these shortcomings of
the military justice system, discussed in detail in the
report published by Amnesty International in July 1991,
clearly facilitate torture or ill-treatment.    

B.  Methods of interrogation and agencies involved 

Methods of interrogation

Political detainees held by the Israeli authorities are
systematically subjected to methods of interrogation
amounting to torture or ill-treatment.  Virtually every
security detainee brought into custody is hooded with dirty
and sometimes wet sacks, which disorient and hamper
respiration.  Detainees are then usually held in solitary
confinement and most commonly subjected to prolonged sleep
deprivation, usually achieved by subjecting them to various
forms of "position abuse".  For example, they are tied up
to a child-size chair or forced to stand hand-cuffed to a
wall (shabah) or tied up in some other painful position
(like the "banana", in which the body is bent backwards by
tying up hands to feet) for prolonged periods.  The Israeli
authorities have not denied that such methods are in use.

    Other methods most commonly reported include beatings
all over the body, sometimes concentrated on sensitive
areas such as the genitals, and prolonged confinement into
closet-sized dark cells.  Some of these cells have been
reported as being particularly cold or hot.  Occasionally
detainees have complained of loud music being played for
prolonged periods in the area where they were being held. 
Palestinian "collaborators" placed in detention cells are
known to have been used to obtain information from other
detainees, including by torture or ill-treatment. 

Role of the security forces and medical personnel

    The Israeli police also detains and interrogates
political detainees.  In December 1991 the Palestine Human
Rights Information Centre published evidence of torture by
a police unit operating since 1990 in the West Bank.  The
unit was said to have specialized in interrogating
Palestinian detainees at night with methods including
severe beatings with wooden sticks and electric shocks.  In
an interview to the Hadashot newspaper in February 1992, a
security source is quoted describing an interrogation room
after its use by this unit:

    "... broken wooden clubs, ropes, blood, an absolute
    mess.  They would crush the prisoners ... turning them
    into lumps of meat.  Several times I saw prisoners
    crawling back to the  [detention cell].  They simply
    could not walk".  

    Medical personnel have apparently cooperated with
practices of torture or ill-treatment.  Israeli physicians
and other medical personnel are said to have been involved
in certifying detainees' fitness to undergo at least some
of the methods of interrogation used by the Israeli
authorities; in examining and providing treatment to
victims before allowing them to be returned to
interrogation; and in covering up abuses by interrogators. 

    In May 1993 a "medical fitness form" to be used in
interrogation centres was made public by the Davar
newspaper.  The form required doctors to certify whether a
detainee may withstand methods of interrogation including
solitary confinement, tying up, hooding and prolonged
standing.  After protests including by local human rights
groups, the Israeli Medical Association instructed 
physicians not to use the form.  The Israeli authorities
suggested the form had been a mistake.  For further details
see the report, Israel and the Occupied Territories: Doctor
and interrogation practices: the case of Nader Qumsieh (AI
Index: MDE 15/09/93) published by Amnesty International in
August 1993.

---------------------------------

Kurt Stele



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joebuck@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>  After reading the allegation [in"Beth Dailey's" (Dave Braun's?)
>recently-posted expose of the kosher-certification racket] that
>nowadays even aluminum foil receives expensive koher certification by
>rabbis, I checked the generic foil in my cupboard.
>  This allegation I had found hard to believe. 
>  But I checked anyway.
>  It *IS* kosher!
>  I never knew aluminum foil contained pork! :-)

We have to pay extra "Jew" tax so aluminum foil can be considered kosher???

I suppose that tax isn't any different an outrage than having to pay 10 billion a year to
Israel, so they can maintain an otherwise insolvent socialist state.  Or millions of our
taxes every year to "Holocaust upkeep."

When is the Goy finally going to tell the Jew to get goosed?

Relatively speaking, it won't be long now.  

Kurt Stele



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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>In article <538jkt$t4u@bluto.accesscomm.net>, dleonik@accesscomm.net (Dan
>Leonik) wrote:

>>In the interests of diversity of opinion, and in freedom of thought
>>and expression, I forward this document to the thinking people of
>>Houston:

>[October 5th ZGram snipped]

>In other words, the neo-Nazi organization I work with, the National
>Alliance, loses every argument in every open forum, so let's try to lie
>about Nizkor and spam neo-Nazi propaganda where maybe they won't notice.
>Followups set to alt.fan..ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism, where anyone
>interested in "diversity of opinion" can look any day. Some "diverse" web
>sites in this vein include http://www.c2.org/~bs-org/ , where you can
>learn about the Conspiracy of International Jewry to induce Mad-Cow
>Disease via Aspartame (NutraSweet), and http://www.hoffman-info.com/ ,
>which sells the kookiest videos ever produced (and I've seen the Subgenius
>video). For the archives of the most prolific "Holocaust Revisionist" on
>the net today, see http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/

>Parental guidance suggested.

>References:

> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/leonik.dan

>Recent articles in alt.revisionism and comp.org.eff.talk:

> 
> 
> <531okg$gdv@Networking.Stanford.EDU>
> <536snf$7nv@infinity.c2.net>

>Hope this helps.

>-rich

Several exterminationist seek to support their shoddy, slapdash, shredded, and throroughly
discredited "Holocaust" theory impugning revisionists.  

Of course, as the intelligent realize, none of the personal attacks have ANYTHING to do
with the lack of the evidence for the "Holocaust," or the fact that the "holocaust" number
has changed drastically from 6 million to 34,000, or the fact that there was not enough
coal to run the crematoria according to "Holocaust" claims, or the fact that Nazis were
tortured at Nuremberg as the American Judge van Roden fully admitted, nor does it have
anything to do with a -host- of other impossibilities in the "Holocaust."

All it means is:  that is virtually all exterminationists currently have to respond to the
revisionist arguments which have disemboweled their precious Hoax.  

What an embarrassment it is to have one's Lies exposed, no?   I have to hand it to the
Arabian countries as they far ahead of the U.S.:  they already know the "Holocaust" is a
hoax.  That fact is common knowledge over there.

We're getting there, though.   Slowly but surely...

Kurt Stele



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               ISRAEL AND THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES

Torture and ill-treatment
of political detainees

I.  INTRODUCTION

Thousands are arrested and held on security grounds every
year in Israel and the Occupied Territories, while the
Palestinian intifada which began in December 1987 and the
peace process initiated in Madrid in 1991 continue.  Many
of those in custody are subjected to methods of
interrogation amounting to torture or ill-treatment,
possibly in implementation of secret guidelines for
interrogation endorsing the use of "a moderate measure of
physical pressure".  The official investigations of
allegations of torture or ill-treatment have so far been
inadequate, a factor that may discourage the reporting of,
and the taking of legal action against, torture.

II. THE INTERROGATION OF POLITICAL DETAINEES

Role of confessions

Confessions and other statements obtained during prolonged
incommunicado detention are often the main evidence against
detainees brought before the military courts operating in
the Occupied Territories.  Although defendants may retract
their confessions in court, prosecutors and judges often
put pressure on them to accept a plea-bargain rather than
ask for an investigation of allegations of torture or ill-
treatment and continue with a full trial.  In addition to
prolonged incommunicado detention, these shortcomings of
the military justice system, discussed in detail in the
report published by Amnesty International in July 1991,
clearly facilitate torture or ill-treatment.    

B.  Methods of interrogation and agencies involved 

Methods of interrogation

Political detainees held by the Israeli authorities are
systematically subjected to methods of interrogation
amounting to torture or ill-treatment.  Virtually every
security detainee brought into custody is hooded with dirty
and sometimes wet sacks, which disorient and hamper
respiration.  Detainees are then usually held in solitary
confinement and most commonly subjected to prolonged sleep
deprivation, usually achieved by subjecting them to various
forms of "position abuse".  For example, they are tied up
to a child-size chair or forced to stand hand-cuffed to a
wall (shabah) or tied up in some other painful position
(like the "banana", in which the body is bent backwards by
tying up hands to feet) for prolonged periods.  The Israeli
authorities have not denied that such methods are in use.

    Other methods most commonly reported include beatings
all over the body, sometimes concentrated on sensitive
areas such as the genitals, and prolonged confinement into
closet-sized dark cells.  Some of these cells have been
reported as being particularly cold or hot.  Occasionally
detainees have complained of loud music being played for
prolonged periods in the area where they were being held. 
Palestinian "collaborators" placed in detention cells are
known to have been used to obtain information from other
detainees, including by torture or ill-treatment. 

Role of the security forces and medical personnel

    The Israeli police also detains and interrogates
political detainees.  In December 1991 the Palestine Human
Rights Information Centre published evidence of torture by
a police unit operating since 1990 in the West Bank.  The
unit was said to have specialized in interrogating
Palestinian detainees at night with methods including
severe beatings with wooden sticks and electric shocks.  In
an interview to the Hadashot newspaper in February 1992, a
security source is quoted describing an interrogation room
after its use by this unit:

    "... broken wooden clubs, ropes, blood, an absolute
    mess.  They would crush the prisoners ... turning them
    into lumps of meat.  Several times I saw prisoners
    crawling back to the  [detention cell].  They simply
    could not walk".  

    Medical personnel have apparently cooperated with
practices of torture or ill-treatment.  Israeli physicians
and other medical personnel are said to have been involved
in certifying detainees' fitness to undergo at least some
of the methods of interrogation used by the Israeli
authorities; in examining and providing treatment to
victims before allowing them to be returned to
interrogation; and in covering up abuses by interrogators. 

    In May 1993 a "medical fitness form" to be used in
interrogation centres was made public by the Davar
newspaper.  The form required doctors to certify whether a
detainee may withstand methods of interrogation including
solitary confinement, tying up, hooding and prolonged
standing.  After protests including by local human rights
groups, the Israeli Medical Association instructed 
physicians not to use the form.  The Israeli authorities
suggested the form had been a mistake.  For further details
see the report, Israel and the Occupied Territories: Doctor
and interrogation practices: the case of Nader Qumsieh (AI
Index: MDE 15/09/93) published by Amnesty International in
August 1993.

---------------------------------

Kurt Stele





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romana@azstarnet.com wrote:

>george  wrote:

>*hey all you fucking niggers, white trash, jews, spics gooks
>*nips, japs  ALL OF YOU EAT MY ARABIAN DICK!! SO GO TO HELLL 
>*MOTHERFUCKER!!!
>************************************************************************************************
>I see you are quite the scatologist.

Undoubtedly a Jewish troller.

Kurt Stele



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zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink) wrote:

>The fact seems to be that Irving has a bad reputation and no one is
>very clear about exactly why.  However, having pointed him out as a
>target no one is willing to back off (certainly Irving himself does not
>make it easy to do so.)

>All this just makes me, as a student of social movements, that much
>more interested in understanding exactly how this reputation developed.

>If readers do know something more about the origins of Irving's
>disrepute I would appreciate your sharing it.   

>Kay

That is how the shell-games and slander attacks of the exterminationists back-fire on
them.  

They call David Irving a fascist (even though he denies this) and other personal attacks
not going to the merits of the man's work, and then post Nizkor URL's like they are some
sort of definitive and unbiased authority, and act as if that settles it.   All it does it
pique people's curiosity about Irving even more.

They censor Zundel material from German sites.  The result?  People flock to Zundel's
sites in increasing numbers.

I love it.  I love it.

I hope they continue these tactics.  These are old Jewish protocol tacs that worked
wonders in the old days, and still do with the press public, but they are far behind the
times for the internet crowd.

But given their position they really have no other choice.  They cannot defend their
position on the merits.  They are therefore required to resort to underhandedness.

Kurt Stele




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Colonel Backhouse: Gertrud Diament [a survivor] in her 
>deposition said that your favorite habit was to beat women
>until they fell to the ground and then kick them as hard
>as you could with your heavy boots?

>Grese: That is a lie. Perhaps it is her habit to lie.

>

>So, an accused Nazi calling the survivors, and a senior
>member of the British counsel for the prosecution, "liars".

>Gee. And our "revisionist scholars" have been telling us
>all along that these were "show trials", in which the accused
>Nazis were "told what to say", bla-bla.

>"Revisionists". What a bunch of low-life Nazi liars.

>-Danny Keren.

The fact that -some- truth got through during the trials doesn't mean the trials as a
whole weren't show-trials, and overwhelmingly determined by coercion.  -That- they were.

Keren is notorious for grabbing a string here or there and weaving an entire blanket out
of it -- which, not coincidentially, is also a method used repeatedly throughout the
"Holocaust" theory.  

Keren is therefore an apt spokesman for the Great Myth.

Kurt Stele



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>  --
>>  Gord McFee
>>  I'll write no line before its time
>>  
>>  
>>>>>
>This is hilarious.  You can't answer my arguments so you
>yap about what my name is.....keep up the good work...
>a clear admission of impending defeat.....

After throughly drubbing their arguments, now you want to take away their ad hominem toys,
too?  Have you no mercy for the defeated Mr. JBelling?   ; )

Kurt Stele



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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   Christie produced an article in The Progressive written by Judge Edward L.
>>   Van Roden in February of 1949 eentitled "American Atrocities in Germany"
>>   where van Roden had written: American investigators at the U.S. Court in
>>   Dachau, Germany, used the following methods to obtain confessions: 
>Beatings
>>   and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials.
>>   Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual
>>   deprivation. Promises of acquittal. Complaints concerning these third degree
>>   methods were received by Secretary of the Army Kenneth
>>   Royall last Spring.

>	Van Roden signed off on the Simpson Report in which all such 
>brutalities were denied.

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele



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cjsaunde@netcom.ca (Christopher Saunders) wrote:

>ivanpv@aol.com (IVANPV) wrote:

>>Definition of "Hate" 
>>Obviously, saying negative things about Jews or expressing views
>>that might de-emphasize collective Jewish suffering  always constitutes
>>"hate."

>The word "hate" is a smear word to discredit anything the liberals
>don't like.  They don't like someone asking honest questions about the
>"Holocaust," so they call it "hate."

>Another word that bothers me is "anti-Semitism."  It simply means
>being hostile or critical of Semitic people.  There is an argument
>that Arabs are also Semites, so could Jews be considered
>"anti-Semitic?"  Anyway, for the sake of argument, let's assume that
>the word "Semitic" refers to Jews.

>The word "anti-Semite" is an insult.  When someone criticizes Jews,
>they are labelled an "anti-Semite."  What if this person has reasonble
>arguments against the Jews?  Should he not be allowed to publicly
>communicate to others his complaint regarding the Jews?  Are the Jews
>so holy and righteous that they have never, and are physically
>incapable of committing any wrongdoing?  I don't think so.

Bingo.

Kurt Stele



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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>A ZIONIST HERO

Of course a Jew that spies on the U.S. for Jews is considered by other Jews as a hero.
The gullible goyim in the U.S. are stupid enough to believe that Jews' allegiance isn't to
their own first.   Hello!  

>     To many Israelis and Jewish Americans, Pollard is a
>Zionist hero who has been sold short by Israeli politicians
>and his former intelligence officers.  Various pro-Israel
>groups in the U.S. and abroad have lobbied for Pollard's
>release and routinely run full-page ads in major U.S.
>newspapers.  These groups have also raised millions of
>dollars to cover Pollard's legal expenses.  The fund-raising
>effort is being led by the Israeli Public Committee for the
>Release of Jonathan Pollard.

And Jews don't stick together?  Sheesh..

Just why Jews feel the need to spy on the U.S. when we give them whatever they want anyway
as soon as they ask for it, is beyond me.   What more do they want?  We already given them
10 billion dollars a year.  Is that not enough?

>     The Israeli government is banking Pollard's $5,000
>monthly salary, 

Of course the Israeli government paid Pollard's monthly salary.  Jews look out for their
own.  So much for "Israel" our ally.  

Yet when Israel thought the U.S.S. Liberty was spying on them (which it wasn't) they
deliberately blasted it to hell, along with 34 American boys on board.

The upshot:  it's OK for Israel to do the spying, but it is not OK for the goyim to ever
spy on Israel.  

>     Soon after it was established, the Israeli Public
>Committee began urging Israel to formally demand Pollard's
>release.  

Now the Jews want their boy back.   Who cares if Pollard spied on the U.S., "that's what a
good Jew does."

>     Thomas Powers, a reporter for the Los Angeles Times,
>writes that the CIA`s "working relationship with Israeli
>intelligence [the Mossad] is one of the agency's oldest and
>closest, rivaled only by its ties to the British Secret
>Intelligence Service."  What made the relationship between
>the CIA and Mossad unique, say intelligence service insiders,
>was the tacit mutual understanding that the two countries
>would not spy on each other.

So the CIA and the Mossad are in bed with each other.  We knew that.  The top CIA brass is
Jewish -- Clinton made sure of that.  

And people still claim the U.S. interest is not dominated by the Jewish interest?  

>     Israeli spying activities in the United States were siad
>to have been ongoing for "years" 

And Jewish spying is -still- going on, of course.  "Whatever the Jews want, let 'em have
it" is the congressional mantra.    

And people still believe a democracy with Jews at the helm isn't anything but a sham?.

>     According to George Carver's assessment of the documents
>stolen by Pollard, "sanitization" would be difficult.  "[The
>documents were in] such detail," said Carver in 1985, "that a
>professional analyst could discern what U.S. collection
>systems must have been used to acquire these data, the
>capabilities and limitations of those systems, and even, in
>some cases, likely identities of human agents."

Why don't we just assume that the Israelis have info on all our collection systems and go
on from there, OK?

Kurt Stele




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Nizkor wrote:

> "No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment.  Some Allied soldiers were so shocked
>with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence, but this is not a serious
>factor in the overall picture."  

Note that Nizkor does admit the "mistreatment" of Nazi captives.  We know the Allied
"mistreatment" of Nazis involved several instances of torture. 

A Conclusion:  "If Nazis were 'mistreated' by the Allies there is no reason to believe
that Nazis were not also 'mistreated' at trial."  

There is certainly no reason to think otherwise, and every reason to think it did occur,
especially since Nazi false testimony was very helpful, if not necessary, to the
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Kurt Stele




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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Matt Giwer writes:

># Read the information holohuggers fear
># http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg

>Web site of Hitler admirer, who wrote (on GEnie) that 
>"Hitler was a great man", and "the best thing that could 
>have happened to Germany"

Keren is trying (in vain) to prevent people from visiting the revisionist websites because
if people do, they too will realize the impossibilities of the "Holocaust", for which
Keren and his fellows have no explanation.

There can be no mistake about it at this point:  

The Holocaust is a piece of vicious, lying BULLSHIT and the greatest and most lucrative
hoax that has -ever- been foisted onto the people of Europe.  

Visit the sites, and see for yourself.  Happy surfing!

Kurt Stele

http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg 
http://www.codoh.com/ 
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ 



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ivanpv@aol.com (IVANPV) wrote:

>Definition of "Hate" 

>	 I am trying to come up with a better  understanding of this term
>so as not to use it improperly.
>    
>	Obviously, saying negative things about Jews or expressing views
>that might de-emphasize collective Jewish suffering  always constitutes
>"hate."

>	 Israel's  bombing of Lebanese civilians in refugee camps and 
>machine gunning Palestinian rock throwers definitely does not constitute
>"hate."   Should these Israeli actions be called "love?"   

No, that is called in Yiddish "self-defense."   You know, kind of like a huge man smashing
a woman repeatedly in the face while saying to her "stop hitting me Madam."

Kurt Stele



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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>>	Yet the Allies all sat at the Nuremberg trials with the liars as
>>judges!...You don't think there is anything wrong with this? 

>Sure. There was a lot wrong with it. I would prefer for us to have won
>WW2 without Soviet help and to have marched onto Moscow from Berlin as
>Patton supposedly wanted. But I don't know that this was practically 
>possible. Do you?

Patton could have easily walked into Moscow at that point.  But the "cabal" didn't want
that to happen.  The "cabal" is who had their lap-dog "Ike" knowingly betray millions of
anti-communist Europeans over to the Soviets, for their starvation, enslavement, and
butchery in "Operation Keelhaul."  The "cabal" then immediatley demobilized a substantial
part of the U.S. Army:

Patton told Secretary of War Robert Patterson  (_The Patton Papers_, Houghton Mifflin,
1974):

"I understand the situation. The Soviet supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a
serious action such as I could put them.  They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the
hoof -- that's their supply system.  They could probably maintain themselves in the type
of fighting I could give them for five days.  After that it would make no difference how
many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow I could give it to you.  They lived
on the land coming down.  There is insuffcient left for them to maintain themselves going
back.  Let's not give them time to build up their supplies.  If we do then we have had a
victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but have failed in the liberation of Europe;
we have lost the war!"

Kurt Stele



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Jeffrey  wrote:

>"Carlo Mattogno is working on a detailed study of the
>German camp crematories, to be published in 1996 in Italy, as well as on
>a specialized treatment of the "gas chambers," which he hopes to publish
>in 1997."

>Presumbly it will appear in the study of the crematories. However, I
>will look into this matter.

Ooh goody!  I can't wait.  More debunking of that filthy piece of lying, Jewish excrement
known as the "Holocaust."   I can't wait until 1997.  Fun, fun!  

Does this mean the Jews can't get more $$$$$ for more holoschmaltz?  Gosh, I hope that
doesn't happen.  That would be terrible, wouldn't it?  

Kurt Stele

Don't forget:

>CHECK OUT THESE WEB SITES
>CODOH        http://www.codoh.com/
>GREG RAVEN   http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg
>ERNST ZUNDEL http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english
>             
>THOUGHTCRIME ARCHIVES http://www.codoh.com/thoughtcrimes/thoughtcrimes.html
>ADELAIDE INSTITUTE http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins.html
>*
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jeff Roberts
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Let your love towards life, be love towards your highest hope:
>and let your highest hope be the highest idea of life. 
>Friedrich Nietzsche 1844 - 1900
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

># What about the Jewish truthseeker's (Cole's) questions?

>What questions? All I know about Cole is that he's a 25-year-old
>highschool dropout, who parrots "revisionist" crapola. Again, be
>more specific.

What Keren doesn't realize is that people on the internet can see through ad hominem to
ask:  

"Who cares whether he is a high-school drop-out or not?  The only relevant question is
what he is saying about the 'Holocaust' TRUE or FALSE?"

># One last note: I've read the Revisionist material and compared it
># to the Nizkorite et al. material. The Holocaust lobby and its
># minions are the real and true-blooded haters: NOT Zundel and his
># fellow Revisionists.

> "May napalm burn you skin.  May cannon fire tear your apart.  May
>  you know death from drowning".

>Matt Giwer, "leading revisionist" on the net, to me. Just one
>example.

What Keren fails to tell you is that this was said -after- Keren defended his fellow Jews'
premeditated slaughter of American boys on the USS Liberty as "an accident" (sic) even
though Israel monitored the ship for hours, and there is no possibility it could have been
misidentified, as the Secretary of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, and other
pointed out -- which was obvious anyway.

># NIzkor drips with Talmudic venom

>Define "Talmudic venom", and give an example of Nizkor using it.

>Don't just parrot your fuehrers like a silly little Goebbels wannabe.

Keren just provided another example of Talmudic venom -- now he is calling you a Nazi for
questioning the "Holocaust." 

Don't worry about Keren, though.  He defends such "reliable" Holocaust tales as people
could hear the sound of "maniacal laughter" of pilots over the sound of machine guns in
planes flying overhead, and that Nazis cooked up poisonous cookies for children.   

In other words, he is a liar of the first rank, of course.

In all fairness, Keren -is- discriminating, in a manner of speaking.  That is:   he'll
defend -anything- said by anyone, at any time, no matter how  patently ludicrous or false,
as long as the person is 1)  a Jew or   2)   it helps the "Holocaust."   

Kurt Stele



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_Israel Wants More Military Aid From US_   (Gee I wonder if they'll get it?)

Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai said in an interview today
 that he would like an increase in the $1.8 billion annual military aid his country
receives from the US.  He told the _Jerusalem Post_: "Against the threats facing us today,
I wish we could increase it because the need is growing, the weapons are more
sophisticated and much more expensive."  Israel also receives and annual economic aid of
$1.2 billion from the US, bringing the total amount of US aid for Israel to $3 billion.
In July Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu told the US Congress that "In the next four
years, we are going to begin the long-term process of gradually reducing the level of your
generous economic assistance." Mordechai will be visiting Washington next week.

  =====

Kurt Stele




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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>I'm curious... Nazism may not be the most popular political 
>>philosophy, but that's all it is: a political philosophy. I 
>>see it spoken of as if it's a crime to be a nazi. All 
>>political points of view have their place in the forum of 
>>thought.

>Nazism isn't a crime; it's a massive display of hate and stupidity.
>And no, Nazism has no place in the forum of civilized thought.

>At all.

You see, the dictatorial Jew is going to decide for everyone else what ideas should be
"allowed" and which shouldn't in the "democratic" forum.  That's his self-appointed job,
being the "Chosen One" and all.  After all, it is Talmudic that us goyim-cattle are too
stupid to decide "the right thoughts" for ourselves.  

We should be grateful that we have the "Chosen" to decide which thoughts are OK, along
with permitted us the honorable opportunity to donate more billions to whatever the
"Chosen" ones see fit, whether it be another "Holocaust" museum or another 10 billion for
Yidsrael.  Controlling the media, of course, helps them carry out their noble and
unimpeachably righteous endeavors, and for that we should also be grateful.

It should be obvious the "Chosen" ones are the most civilized:  that should be obvious by
their history of treatment towards Arabs.   Have you read the Amnesty report on Israel's
methods of torturing Palestinians?  Why, it is a veritable paragon of civility!

Have a nice day, and don't forget to thank your lucky stars you have the "Chosen" watching
over you, benevolently suppressing the "wrong thoughts" lest you hear any evil.

Kurt Stele




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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/bergen-belsen/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/dachau/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/natzweiler/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/nordhausen/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/ohrdruf/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/thekla/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/maidanek/images
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/images


>-Danny Keren.

Noone believes in the Holocaust anymore.

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

> How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claims that confession
> were never extracted from the Germans by coercion or torture!

You should have written:

"How absurd and ignorant it is for Nizkor to claim that torture was 'not a serious factor
in the overall picture'!"

All one's assertions have to be reconfigured into the Nizkor-hypertechnical language if
you would discourse with these strange people.  

Now, look at what Nizkor wrote:

> "No doubt there were some cases of mistreatment.  Some Allied soldiers were so shocked
>with what they saw in the camps that they reacted with violence, but this is not a serious
>factor in the overall picture.  This is a long way from a POLICY of torture inflicted to
>extract confessions."

1)   Notice that Nizkor DOES admit to "mistreatment" of Nazis.   (thank you for admitting
the Allies brutalized Germans, Nizkor)

2)    Belling posted what this "mistreatment" involved:  torture.

3)    Yet Nizkor would have us believe that Allied acts of mistreatment of Nazis did not
reach or signicantly affect any Nazi witnesses in the trials?   (They must think we were
born yesterday)

4)     Then Nizkor further says:  "This is a long way from a POLICY of torture inflicted
to extract confessions."  

But torture does need a  "POLICY" to be used regularly.   It can be done regularly without
a policy.  The Nizkor requirement of a "POLICY" is erroneous and ridiculous.  

And at any rate, Judge van Roden admitted that is WAS the American's unspoken policy to
torture German captives into confession.  It was "standard  operating procedure":

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

This is big progress, though.  Nizkor fully admits brutality against Germans.  Once
brutality introduced there is no reason to assume it wasn't used uniformly, and used at
the "trials" too.

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karlpov@access2.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>>	"BITCH," you say? Nice, gentlemanly expression, especially when
>>talking with a woman.

>I'm no gentleman when writing to a bitch who accuses me of
>hypocrisy and insinuates that I am a communist sympathizer, all
>utterly without foundation.

This fool wants to discount the quotes of Ehrenburg even though Ehrenberg was the top
Jewish anti-war propagandist for Stalin, even though Ehrenberg's JOB was to stir up
anti-German blood lust.   Yet he is willing to believe in the idiocies of the
"extermination" claims of the Holohoax, despite having no physical evidence, despite no
paper trail, and despite that Germans retreated westward from the Soviets taking Jewish
prisoners with them, or leaving them behind unshot -- knowing full well the prisoners
could then testify against the Germans when the Soviets entered the camps.  

Yep, that sounds like an Army trying to "exterminate" the Jews, alright. 

Horseshit.

Kurt Stele





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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>Please tell me where I can find these "millions of crimes"
>enumerated. I am aware that Germans suffered after the war. When
>a government launches an aggressive, unprovoked, treaty-breaking
>war, its people can expect to suffer somewhere down the line,
>whether they deserve it or not. Considering how little resistance
>the Nazi government encountered from the German people, frankly,
>I'm afraid that in large part they did deserve it.

The "German people" deserved it.  

By the same token:

Considering how little resistance the Jewish World Congress' economic boycott encountered
from the Jewish people (or to any other destructive acts of Jews), then, yes, the Jews
deserved to be punished by the Nazis by deportation and workcamps.   

Thank you Charles!  

You admit that Jews are a -group- ("Ordinary Jews") are responsible for the many
destructive acts Jews commited against Germany.  Certainly no people were more destructive
to Germany than the Jews, between economic boycotts, selling Germany out at the end of WWI
and the buying up bankrupt's German property piecemeal afterwards, and communist
organizing.  

Well, I most -wholeheartedly- agree with you that Jews as a -group- ("Ordinary Jews") are
responsible for the action of other Jews.     

Since Ordinary Jews are responsible for the actions of other Jews, then given the
destruction they wrought on Germany, or even the destruction wrought by a -single- Jew
(Ehrenburg) in inciting Soviets to rape German children, I would say the Holocaust had it
occurred would have been more than justified.  MORE than justified.

Kurt Stele  




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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>	Thank you for the clear forgery.  

>On 10 Oct 1996 20:20:01 GMT, klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>>The Chief of the Security Police        Berlin, July 26, 1941
>>  and the SD
>>                                    41 copies
>>                                    ---------
>>                                    (29th copy)


>>OPERATIONAL SITUATION REPORT USSR No. 34

>>............

>>Einsatzgruppe B:
>>Location: Orsha
>>Reports:

>>Einsatzkommando 9 is in Vileyka and Molodencho, though a rear
>>Kommando is still in Vilnius. 

>	Only the Soviet Union considered Vilnius to be part of the Soviet Union at
>the time of this report.  

The Einsatzgruppen OSR-USSR #24 is a forgery.  

One cannot claim the hoaxsters don't try hard enough, though...

Kurt Stele



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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

>>However, Jews who commit  or committed crimes, atrocities  against
>>other fellow human beings (nations!) should be brought to Justice and
>>publicly denounced by  some organization which represents every single
>>Jew on the planet. 

>Well, the first problem is that there is no organization which represents
>every single Jew on the planet.

>The second problem is that you are quite selective in your demands. Do you
>demand that the Roman Catholic Church, which does in fact represent every
>Roman Catholic on the planet (by definition) publicly denounce every Roman
>Catholic criminal? For example, the numerous priests who have committed
>child molestation? (I am not saying that this conduct is typical of
>priests. It is, however, a significant moral and indeed financial problem
>of the Church, as has come ever more frequently to light in recent
>decades.)

Charles has already asserted that ordinary Germans should be punished for other Germans;
he is therefore logically committed to the position that Ordinary Jews should be punished
for the actions of other Jews.   

And if ever there was a people whose members have committed atrocities, treachery, and
bold-faced lying it is the Jews, for several centuries.    

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On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:47:34 -0800, kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern)
wrote:

>LOOK EVERYONE!!!  See the Giwer get defensive!  See the Giwer hurl
>unbased, silly, childish insults at people he doesn't know because he can
>think of nothing better to say!!  See the Giwer realizing he's wrong,
>after being proven wrong for the millionth time, and get all pissy about
>it!  Look everyone!  It's so much fun to bait a dim bulb like Giwer.  
>C'mon everyone!!  Join in the fun!  Post your own rebuttles proving
>Giwer's ignorance, and watch the troll squirm!  Yay!

Kate actually sounds much better after she declaredly abandoned her woeful attempts to
refute Giwer.   She is now engaging in posts that suit her much better, as they require no
use of her vaunted "intellect" (sic).

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>By "revisionist" standards, you have to supply very strong
>physical and documentary evidence for this claim. For instance,
>they demand to see 6 million corpses of Jews as a proof for the
>Holocaust.

Revisionists do not "demand to see 6 million corpses" (what a lying Jew) but simply some
straightforward physical evidence that there was a plan to exterminate Jews by gas
chambers, which the exterminationists so far have failed to produced.  The
exterminationsts never  produced a single gas chamber, or an order by Nazis to exterminate
Jews by gassing, both of which would have been easy to produce had the "gassing plan"
existed in actuality.   

Not only have exterminationists failed miserably to produce what should have been there,
had their theory been true, but they have so far failed to account for what -was- there
and shouldn't have been.

[Keren's remaining insipid drivel deleted]

Kurt Stele





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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>>  >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>>  >  	The request was to post his comments in the Simpson Report or 
>>  >  testimony under oath.  You have not even quoted him directly.  You gave a 
>>  >  hearsay account of a speech before a Rotary Club.

>>  >>His speech was quoted verbatim.  Live with it.>>

>	In other words, hearsay.  Pure and simple.

>	There is an official report of Van Roden's investigations.  He also gave 
>testimony under oath.  They both contradict what your secondary source claims 
>he said.  Live with that.

That's funny.   van Roden's words were quoted both in London and in Washington.

I guess it was just a big conspiracy to make look van Roden look like a liar, eh?

I guess the media was trying to twist his words to make van Roden look like he was
admitting that the Americans tortured the Germans for their confessions, to make him lie
into saying it was "standard operating procedure."  

We know the press is -really- biased against the Holocaust right?  (not) and that they
major newspapers in Washington and London would lie about it right? (not)

We know the Allied powers would -NEVER- even think of torturing Germans into confessions,
that they were perfect angels, right?  

Horse-dung.

Kurt Stele 



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>"Jeffrey", quoting Bradley Smith:

>Treblinka survivor Abraham Bomba is talking about the 
>early gas chambers in the camp:

># Bomba: It was not a big room, around twelve feet by
># twelve feet.

>[...]

>And poor old Smith goes on to write later:

># You might think that Claude Lanzmann is about to express
># some doubt about how Bomba is blocking out this scene for
># him. Sixty to seventy naked women in the 12-square-foot room.

>Of course, it's 144 = 12*12, not 12. But why should a "leading
>revisionist scholar" know third-grade arithmetic?

Look at the trivial point Keren is making.  Keren has NOTHING to say in response to
Bomba's absurd tale of a "Barber shop in a gas chamber" with 16 barbers, plus 140 inmates,
plus some benches in a space that was only 16 square meter wide!  It was a miracle the
barbers could get the inmates hair cut in time for the next scheduled gassing which
according to St. Bomba was EVERY FIVE MINUTES!   Keren's zeroes in on a nothing, ad
hominem point, hoping the lurker isn't going to read Bomba's testimony in full.   

"Bomba's barber shop" !  The Holocaust is definitely the biggest bullshit Tale that ever
came down the pike, and that's no joke!

>Odd. Unlike the other "major" CODOH figure, David Cole, Smith
>did graduate from highschool, did he not?

Who cares, Keren?  Your education obviously didn't taught you the difference between your
ass and your elbow.

Kurt Stele





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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 100 to 0, The Jewish Preference for Odds
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>HOLOCAUST AWARENESS MUSEUM 

I like this one.  They just come right out and state what the purpose is:  indoctrination.


>>HOLOCAUST CHILD SURVIVORS OF CONNECTICUT, INC. 

"Inc." indeed..

>>HOLOCAUST DOCUMENTATION AND EDUCATION CENTER, INC. 

The actual documentation takes up a whole folder.

>>HOLOCAUST EDUCATION CENTER HIROSHIMA, JAPAN 

The Japanese published a big Holocaust expose a while back; my guess is the Japanese are
on to the hoax also..

>>NEVADA GOVERNOR'S ADVISORY COUNCIL ON EDUCATION RELATING TO THE
>>HOLOCAUST 

They have an entire advisory council for the teaching of the "Holocaust" alone, for the
Nevada Governor?   The Nevada Governor knows who rules America..

>>THE JULIUS AND DOROTHY KOPPELMAN HOLOCAUST/GENOCIDE RESOURCE CENTER

Contains not a bit on Palestinians either..

>>THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC CENTER FOR HOLOCAUST EDUCATION 

They got the Bible-boobs doin' the Holocaust Hop...  That goes without saying.  

Kurt Stele




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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mstein@access3.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>    Burg, of course, was never in Auschwitz, or Treblinka, or Belzec, or
>Sobibor.

Burg visited there.  Read the transcript.  He saw gassing used:   to kill lice.

>    And I am sure I can find a thousand Germans who were never in the
>camps who believe the Nazis were guilty.  So are you now convinced that it
>did happen, since Burg is now outnumbered a thousand to one by Germans who
>(as we all know) never lie?  (Or is it that they never lie when they are
>denying criminal activity, but all testimony of war crimes are lies
>produced by torture even when uttered thirty years after the war?) 

Look.  Just produce the physical evidence and these hopelessly inconclusive "eyewitness
testimonies" will be resolved forever.....  

Oh.  You haven't any physical evidence..

Sorry.  I forgot.   

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>You've documented the "torture" of Hoess--the Allies made him sit
>in a courtroom festooned with U.S. flags. If you have better 
>references, don't hesitate to post them. In the meantime, perhaps
>you will refrain from pontificating on what "must be clearly
>understood".

Well, since Charles also wrote:

"Fine. One should be skeptical of hearsay. OTOH, sometimes hearsay is all
you've got. That's true of Soviet history as well as Holocaust history,
isn't it? So does one dismiss hearsay testimony altogether as historically
valueless, or does one recognize that the standards of some courts of law
are not necessarily those one should apply in evaluating information
outside a courtroom?"

Then here's something interesting on Hoess:  

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele



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"SHANE C. RESEWEHR"  wrote:

> Who cares, you little weasel! Do you have any idea what a Nazi 
>sympathizer stands for? NO!  YOU DON`T!  So do not condemn what you cannot 
>comprehend!								

Giwer is no Nazi.  He is a man who wants the truth, and like other revisionists will not
be intimidated into silence by the evasive slanders, ignoble shadow-tactics, and the
disgraceful light-blocking of the exterminationist side.

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>belsen01.jpg: A Mass grave in Belsen camp.

doesn't prove extermination by gassing.

>belsen02.jpg: A bulldozer being used to bury corpses in Belsen.

doesn't prove extermination by gassing.

>belsen03.jpg: Emaciated corpses in Belsen.

doesn't prove extermination by gassing.

>belsen04.jpg: Plump, overweight SS-women bury skeletal corpses in Belsen.

doesn't prove extermination by gassing.

>belsen05.jpg: The corpse of a child is thrown into a mass grave in Belsen.

doesn't prove extermination by gassing.

Kurt Stele
         







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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Keren:  Exterminationist by Religion
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Fergus McClelland  wrote:

[another scathing dismemberment of Keren's superstitions]

Fergus,

Keren is what one calls "a true believer."  Long after Simon Weisenthal has thrown in the
towel and the establishment has been forced to retract most of the Holocaust's obvious and
ridiculous Lies, and even after the History are set aright, Keren will still be sitting
behind his keyboard typing away madly in defense of the most idiotic of the "Holocaust"'s
fish tales.  

You see, there are exterminationists and there are exterminationists.  Several
exterminationists, such as Deborah Lipschtadt, have been forced, lest the entire Holocaust
lose all credibility from patented sheer idiocy, to retract the most absurd of the
Holocaust's unsubstantiated claims such as the  "soap" hoax.   But there will are
exterminationists, as there will always be, who will defend  every last -inch- of the
"Holocaust."  

Keren is one such exterminationist..  

So far, Keren has defended the following stories.  I don't mean "argued their
possibility."  I  mean he has -defended- them as TRUE:

1)  That German fighter pilots' maniacal laughter could be heard over the sound of machine
gun fire; 

2)  That Germans gave poisonous cookies to children, and then smeared poisonous cookies on
their lips to finish the job.

3)  Every "Holocaust" story that has ever been presented from IMT annals.

Keren also claims that the Israelis, after flying recon planes over the USS Liberty for
hours before, and strafing the USS Liberty several times, and aiming at and blasting away
its American flag, that the Israelis "didn't know" it was an American ship;  Keren
persists in this assertion even though his Jewish brothers have long since shrugged their
shoulders and admitted the obvious that the USS Liberty was attacked deliberately, that
the attack was made because the IDF thought (incorrectly) that it was a "spying on
Israel."

Keren is the most religious of all the exterminationists.  

Despite your well-written and scathing deconstruction of Keren's ludicrous assertions, you
may rest assured that he will persist in defending far more ridiculous than the ones you
elucidated.  It was a valiant effort to shed light onto a fool's writing, but "a dog
always returns to his vomit" as I think the Yiddish proverb says.  Wiping away mildew
unfortunately is no preventative for it recurrence.

Keren's belief in the "Holocaust" is religious, and religion has never respected such
"minor details" as scientific laws and empirical evidence.  Keren thinks he is doing the
"Holocaust" a favor by furiously defending each and every one of its silly tales, but by
doing so he is and inadvertently exposing "Holocaust" as a Lie, and himself a fool. 

Your valiant effort is commended though.

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>> "Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
>> It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
>> follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
>> race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
>> our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
>> and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
>> Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
>> wars of politics and possession."  
>> 
>> Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.
>> 
>> Kurt Stele
>> 
>It should be noted that as mistaken as Mr. Lindbergh was in equating race
>with national purpose, 

Race IS (was) the national purpose.  Do you think the English founded and cleared America
so Jew parasite could then come in and dominate it, and extract billions from the
citizenry for a Lie, or so that alien policies such as non-White immigration flooding
could then hand the country back over to non-Whites?  Obviously, Race was the national
purpose otherwise there was no point in founding a new country, moron.  

>he was quick to redeem himself later when he became
>an official adviser to allied flyers on matters of aviation technique,
>contributing as much as he could to the destruction of the evil German 
>Nazi and Imperial Japanese regimes.  Even he could see the virtue in
>defeating the Nazis.

He did so reluctantly, and according to the Lie told him that Hitler wanted to take over
the world.   Americans weren't in the slightest danger of losing their freedom to the
Germans.  The war, as usual, was fought for Jewish interest -- precisely the same reason
WWI had be fought.  

Hitler maintained if Whites didn't forcibly assert themselves and throw off the Jewish
yoke then Whites would be mongrelized, enslaved, debased, and utterly destroyed.   As it
turned out Hitler's was right, if one bothers to look at the shitter America is heading
into, and the extinction Whites Americans now face.  

>Ironically, the allied effort he contributed to did in fact ensure the
>preservsavation of the races represented in the UNited States: German,
>English, French, Japanese, Chinese, African, Native American, Italian,
>etc, etc, etc...

Saving other races -wasn't- Lindberg's wish.  "It is the European race we must preserve."
Those are Lindberg's words, moron.   What is ironic, however, is the European race is NOT
being preserved but is being destroyed by the same forces that pushed the US to destroy
Germany, and by the same forces that controled the media then, and does so now.....  

JEWISH!    

Kurt Stele




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: BUCHENWALD: LEGEND AND REALITY
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?camps/buchenwald/images
>>  
>>  buchenwald01.jpg, buchenwald03.jpg:
>>  Emaciated corpses of the inmates.
>>  
>>  buchenwald02.jpg:
>>  Artifacts made from corpses of inmates.
>>  
>>  shrunken.jpg: 
>>  The shrunken head of an inmate.
>>  
>>  buchenwald04.jpg: 

>Danny and his photo collection again.  Shrunken heads,
>artifacts made from diseased corpses, emaciated inmates
>suffering from disease......I feel sorry for you Danny.  Oh,
>I almost forgot the civilians-shall we discuss what happened
>to many of them when the allies released hordes of criminals
>from the camps to rape, plunder, and murder?  Danny might
>enjoy seeing their heads shrunken, or artifacts made from their
>bones, or emaciated by disease--Danny are you sure you don't
>have the situations reversed?

Whenever revisionist Jeffrey repeats his mass-posting on alt.revisionism, Keren always
fails miserably to counter them.   All Keren can do is post a few lame Nizkor URL's as if
that helps anything.   

I have to admit, though, Keren has a tough job in defending the "Holocaust" Lie in the
nineties.   The myth has degenerated more today than ever before.  Rays of blinding
sunlight are now streaming into the vampire's lair.  The vampire is screaming, melting.  

And to makes matters worse, the old Holocauster tactic of "smear and run" doesn't help
very much on the Internet, where people now can laugh at these hitherto "lethal"
obfuscations.  

Ah, noone believes in the Holocaust anymore.  

Kurt Stele



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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>>karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>>"Please tell me where I can find these "millions of crimes"
>>enumerated. I am aware that Germans suffered after the war. When
>>a government launches an aggressive, unprovoked, treaty-breaking
>>war, its people can expect to suffer somewhere down the line,
>>whether they deserve it or not. Considering how little resistance
>>the Nazi government encountered from the German people, frankly,
>>I'm afraid that in large part they did deserve it."
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>They deserved it, eh? 

>What part of "in large part" don't you understand, Kurtzi?

Ohhh.  So the Germans "deserved" it "IN LARGE PART."  Well, that changes everything. 

So "only" 9 out of 10 of every German slaughtered, starved, raped, and tortured deserved
it.  Oh, let's make that 8 out of 10, or 7 out of 10.   Or that each German deserved 80%
percent of what each individually received.  The German woman mass-raped by 30 Allied
soldiers only deserved to be penetrated by "only" 7 out of 10 Allied soldiers.

That really changes your position significantly, Charles. (not)

Kurt Stele



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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>Indeed there were. The Nazis actually tended to bridle their brutality
>within the confines of the Altreich, and on one occasion a protest by
>"Aryan" wives of Jews who were about to be deported resulted in those
>Jews' release, and subsequently their survival. Just goes to show that
>if "ordinary Germans", as Browning or Goldhagen would put it, had
>reacted more forcibly to the genocide, it may never have reached the
>proportions it did. (Bulgaria, a nominal Axis ally, did resist, and 
>virtually none of its Jews were deported or murdered--the Jewish
>population actually grew during the war.)

"Ordinary Germans".

Let noone claim again that the vicious Lie of the "Holocaust" does not slander the German
people as whole.

Let Jews as a whole be held accountable for the destructive actions of other Jews.

Kurt Stele



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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:

>  When someone run across the transcript of those trials, what is
>  amazing is to see how there's thousands of letters written by
>  different people were the jewish question is mentionned. Most
>  of those letters are handwritten or bear a handwritten signature.
>  What is amazing is to see that hundreds of people talks about
>  jewish labor in Auschwitz, miscellaneous questions related to Jews
>  and so on. However, the words 'gas chamber', 'gassing' and so on
>  should be expect many times. But this is not what happen. In 99%
>  of those letters there's no mention of that. It was supposed to be
>  the main feature of the extermination camps, and in the internal correspondance
>  of the Nazis we should expect a good proportion in the signed letters,
>  or the handwritten letters, of such references. I'm not saying that
>  all the letters that talks about liquidations of Jews are necessarelly
>  falses, but the Brack letter clearly refer to a mass liquidation
>  program. I'm making a difference between a report that talk about
>  the liquidation of x hundreds of jews in a represail action and that
>  kind of stuff. There's a huge amount of internal correspondance
>  that was seased, a huge amount of signed letters also. In a normal
>  world, we should expect frequent references to mass gassing or extermi-
>  nations in those signed letters. There's not. The number of signed
>  documents that speaks about mass extermination is ridicoulously
>  low: a handfull. Over thousands of letters that deal with the jewish
>  question. Now, we know also that this war was a butchery for the 
>  germans: they lost millions of soldiers. A very large number of SS
>  were killed, and a couple of them escaped in South America.
>  Brack, like Wetzel, survived to the war. An interesting feature for
>  those letters is that they excuse, in a way or another, the man who
>  wrote it and can be use in court to diminush his responsability
>  and excuse him in a way or another. Those trials were not normal
>  trials. Many member of the staff protested about it years after
>  or resigned and explained why. Now, we have, indeed, few letters
>  signed by those guys but who were captured and what
>  we are told is that it is impossible that they were offered a deal
>  in exhange of immunity or a lighter sentence, or either that they
>  were tortured to get such collaboration.  It was impossible to
>  forge thousands of handwritten letters. It was impossible to get
>  the collaboration of decesed people. I'm just saying something:
>  if I'm present let say 1,600 handwritten letters, with a half and
>  half mix of people who were captured and people who where not,
>  letters that do not talk about an extermination policy or gas
>  chambers, and then 500 typewritten letters, with 200 that talks
>  about an extermination policy, and finally 10 incriminating letters 
>  , signed letters, but all signed by people who were captured, letters
>  who excuse in a way or another the person most of the times, than
>  I find it strange statistically speaking.

> http://www.codoh.com/

The Holocausters want us to believe -typewritten- documents of dubious origin, presented
at "trial," rather than the thousands of Nazi handwritten letters that couldn't have
possibly been forged, and none of which mention extermination by gassing?

The Holocausters are a -ridiculous- bunch of people if there every were.

Just goes to show what $$$$$$$ will motivate one to do.  And so far, the "Holocaust" story
has paid off  BIG TIME.

Gee, it would be 'terrible' if the Holocaust party had to end.  That would be a pity,
wouldn't it?

Kurt Stele





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Kneeland  wrote:

>that when one debates a holocaust promoter, one is debates a fundie. The
>fundie changes the topic, uses circuitous reasoning and repeats the same
>trash. 

>	So, I checked out the air-photo site and it is pretty good. What
>do you holocaust promoters give as a rebuttal to those aerial photos? What
>about the Jewish truthseeker's (Cole's) questions? Why is there more
>zyklon B contamination in offices than in 'gas chambers'?

They have no explanation for those minor details of course.

Poor bastards.

Kurt Stele




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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>Isn't it funny that whenever anyone suggests the idea of Jews acting in
>>concert, certain people immediately dismiss it as absurd, wacko, and beyond
>>the realm of possibility, or try to make light of it?

>	Because Jews are a politically heterogenous group of people.

Yes, Jews are so "heterogeneous" which is why 90% vote Democratic.  

Yes, so heterogenous....  

Horseshit.

Jews may be heterogeneous from a Jewish standpoint, but not from a White standpoint.

Kurt Stele



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Moshe@worldnet.att.net (Just Moshe) wrote:

>>Giwer is no Nazi.  He is a man who wants the truth, and like other revisionists will not
>>be intimidated into silence by the evasive slanders, ignoble shadow-tactics, and the
>>disgraceful light-blocking of the exterminationist side.

>	You should not be so harsh.  

>	The Nazis cooperated with Zionism to encourage emigration to Israel.

>	The Nazis dealt with Zionism before Israel was restored trading us much
>needed farm equipment.  

>	The Nazis codified our custom into law and forbade intermarriage with the
>other races.  

>	They were our friends in many ways.  

>	There is no evil so great that does not contain its portion of good.  

Dear "Moshe":

Number One:  my saying "Giwer is no Nazi" was not intended to disparage the German regime.


Number Two:  If you're so interested in setting the record straight, why don't you tell
your fellow Jews who are propagating the "Holocaust" Lie, the truth about what really
happened?  Be a modern-day Benjamin Friedman..

Kurt Stele





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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
>>>	These are organisations that are no secret and have existed. I know of
>>>no Jewish organisation of a similar nature.
>>Ever heard of the B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the JDL, just to name two?

>	Go on, tell the whole newsgroup what you think the agenda of these two
>organisations is.

>	I'm waiting.

Enforcing the jewish interest of course.

Kurt Stele



>-- 
>Derek Bell  dbell@maths.tcd.ie  WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html
>	"Donuts - is there _anything_ they can't do?" - Homer Simpson




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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>Yale has already proven himself a liar before. 
>>I hope that helps to explain the situation.

>	I challenge you to prove that.

YFE claims Giwer is a criminal.  He omits that Giwer's e-mail was sent in reply to YFE's
unsolicited e-mail.  Omission is lying.  

Kurt Stele





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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Democracy and Nazism are non-compatible ideas.  In a democratic forum,
>why should totalitarian ideas get a say?  Republicans, Democrats,
>Libertarians, Socialists (not Marxists) all believe in majority rule
>by all the people.  Nazism does notl.

And democracy is rule by the people?   What a joke.  How many people "voted" for giving
Israel no less than 5 billion dollars a year?  How many people "voted" for letting in
millions of non-White immigrants, and granting certain "Chosen" among them interest-free
loans, or privileges and social welfare which are denied to, but paid for by a
mostly-White tax-base?   

How many people "voted" to give Shpielberg a million dollars for more Holocaust [tm]
Shtick, Lies, and Bullshit?

Democracy is a sham.  It subsists on deceiving those it purports to represent.  That's why
voter participication is below 50%.   

This democracy is a "Jewish Democracy" which is to say, an oligarchy.   It doesn't matter
who's is in power  -- anybody in power is going to have to kiss the ass of Jews or they're
not going to stay in power.  It doesn't matter who wins this election:  "Bill" or "Bob,"
tweedle-dum or tweedle-dee.  Neither one of them will dare challenge the Jewish society
and agenda that is destroying the White race, their norms, their way of life, their
values, their health as a people  -- and has already destroyed their community.  

Hitler was indeed right that Whites cannot survive as a people under Jewish domination,
and if the White race does not mobilize and forcibly throw off the Jewish yoke, Whites
would be destroyed.  That was his goal and purpose.  Neither will that purpose ever abate
as long the White race exists, and especially more so because of his struggle. 

The greatest enemy of Whites, beside their own decadence, is the Jew.   And Jews have a
lot to do with their decadence, just like Jews have a lot to do with the browning,
debasement, and destruction of their former-nation.  

But that is nothing new.  Jews have always been the "nation-wreckers."   Whites should
have never let Jews get anywhere near a newspaper, far less a television.   Now Jews
control the media, have for a while now, and they are using their media control to
-destroy- the White race.

>When has there ever been an outlaying by the US of $10 billion to
>Israel in one shot?  Huh?  I'm waiting...

Who knows how many billions we've given that little shit-state?   At no less than 5
billion a year, for nearly two decades, and then billions before that..  And when did the
American people ever vote on -that-?

So much for democracy -- the Jews request huge sums of money and the Jew step-'n-fetchits
in Congress only ask  "how much, Mr. Jew, sir, master?"

Kurt Stele




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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>Every time I read the claims of strong ideological links between
>Judaism or Zionism and Soviet communism, I fail to understand one
>thing.

>If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist
>USSR, for many years, supplied numerous amounts of weapons, as well
>as military training, to Arab countries and organizations which
>fought many bitter wars with Israel, and vowed - again and
>again - to erase it from the face of the earth?

>If such a strong link existed, how can one explain that communist
>USSR, for years, ruthlessly persecuted Jews and Zionists?

>Can any "revisionist scholar" explain this?

What happened is simple, and what always happens after Jews rouse the goyim rabble to
overthrow a power.  

Jews replace the goyim power with a blood-thirsty regime, staffed heavily by Jews (Yagoda,
Kaganovich) far more monstrous than anything that existed before (The Czar punished
political dissent with brief Siberian exiles, [Stalin was exiled 4 times] the Soviets
outlawed dissent with, er, well, read Orwell's _1984_.)   

The goyim that work their way into power realize Jews' allegiance is to themselves, and
therefore Jews naturally can't be trusted to be loyal.  The goyim then exclude Jews.  Then
Jews are forced to find a new host.  (Cf. French Revolution)

However, Jews are running out of hosts..  After ruining the Soviet Union with their
Marxism, they are all coming over to America now.   America too, will soon be in shambles.
Where will the wandering "Chosen" tribe travel to next?  

Maybe China?

Kurt Stele





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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Dear Idiot:

>1) You are addressing Giwer, moron.
>2) Benny Freedman converted.

>Andrew Mathis

Dear Dickhead,

What on earth are you referring to?

Kurt Stele





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jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>Try to pay attention. Matt Giwer is playing a new trolling game by
>pretending to be a Jew posting from idirect.com. I suppose the trick
>was meant to show that Jews will not attack another Jew no matter how
>repugnant his statements. Unfortunately, the only people to get upset
>so far have been people like you.

Where is your proof of this, oh omnipotent one?

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

># jblackmore already gave the Holocausters' silly claims
># about Kramer a thorough drubbing.

>Not really, kurtzi. But there's even a bigger problem for
>you here. You see, "rblackmore" relies heavily on his claim
>that Kramer was a reliable and truthful witness. But Kramer
>also testified about the gassings in Birkenau and Natzweiler.

Any given claim by a witness can be proven false.  So what is your point?

>BTW - sorry for having forgot to post your famous quote,
>when replying to your previous articles.

I was wondering when you were going to quote that.   

Kurt Stele

># The Holocaust is a funny thing..
># When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
># When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
># Kurt Stele





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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>	"Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism".

>	If this means complaining about the Jews killing children,
>bombing civilians in Lebanon and all the rest of the ugly Zionist
>history, then, so be it.

Yes, that's exactly what it means.  They've set up the word "anti-semitism" [tm] to
encompass any and all opposition to any actions by Jews that is expressed by anyone who is
not known to be non-threatening to Jews.

You are not known to be non-threatening Jews -- therefore you do not fit under the
anti-semitic exception  "Jew lackey."

But this is the internet.  Their patented label has no teeth.   Jews can't shut people up
with that tactic, try as they may, although that smear tactic works for them like a charm
in all other venues, and has for many years.  

Guess they'll just have to keep working to censoring the internet, like they censor other
media;  the Jewish Simon Weisenthal Center is working for that, of course.  

First they'll say:  "Hate has no place in the marketplace of ideas" and revisionism by
extension "furthers Hate."   They'll equate revisionism with "child pornography."  Rated
XXXXXXXX.  

Jews in Germany already perfected this method of censorship.

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
># Kneeland  wrote:

>## Why is there more zyklon B contamination in offices than
>## in 'gas chambers'?

># They have no explanation for those minor details of course.

>kurtzi, the explanation not only exists, not only was it
>posted a zillion times, it is simple enough even for someone
>like you to understand. The "offices" are delousing chambers,
>and delousing requires far more time than homicidal gassing
>(many hours as compared to 10-15 minutes). Since the delousing
>chambers were exposed for a far longer time to the HCN (and
>not Zyklon-B as the other clown wrote), there are more traces
>on their walls.

According to the "Holocaust" tale they gassed people every 5  - 20 minutes.  If this is
true there STILL was far more gas used to gas people than to gas lice.  Insecticide traces
would have shown up more in the so-called "gas chambers" than in the delousing chambers,
but the evidence demonstrates the reverse, of course.  

The old "it takes longer to delouse than to gas Jews" position is Nizkor's attempted
retort to the Leuchter report.   It's a pretty lame attempt.  

Kurt Sele

># The Holocaust is a funny thing..
># When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
># When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
># Kurt Stele




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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>So the fact that Hitler had invaded nearly the entire land mass of Europe,
>forayed into Africa, and sunk US shipping in the Gulf of Mexico did not
>signify Hitler's determination to dominate the world, whether directly or
>through an axis alliance?  This, not to mention Hitler's nuclear and
>rocket programs did not constitute a threat to the US's well-being?

So what?  The Soviets had obvious aims for nuclear weapons; and yet the U.S. allied
themselves with the Soviets.  What's your point?  That no other country besides the U.S.
(and Israel of course -- they have the same rulers anyway) should be allowed to have
nuclear weapons?  

Please post the evidence that the U.S. went to war with Germany because of the "German
nuclear program".

I'll wait your evidence.  Apparently, you are an "expert" (sic) in these matters.

>So you equate Lindbergh's wish to preserve his own racial heritage with
>Adolf Hitler's stated goal of enslaving and destroying the other races?
>Could you please provide the Lindbergh quote that illustrates his desire
>to see the Jews annihilated as "our part in [our race's] protection"?

Please post Adolf Hitler's plans and goals to "enslave and destroy other races."  

I'll be waiting for your posts on this.  Don't forget it.

My, you are truly are an "expert" (sic) in these matters.  (not)

Then you can post proof of a world Hitlerian design which you claim Hitler had, one that
even included the U.S., far less all of Europe.  

You are as cliched-filled as any boob on the street

>Again, you drive your point home deftly.  I myself am almost convinced by 
>this cogent point.

Actually after reading your latest post I realize this was an understatement:  see below

>I never understand why racists such as yourself feel an unending need to
>both *justify* Hitler's reasons for killing the Jews and to *deny* that he
>actually almost succeeded.  Why is this?

Because of the FACTS.  Because extermination by gassing never happened.  Is a that good
enough reason for you?

>In the interest of debate, I will grant that Lindbergh, a great aviator
>(like Goering), was a pernicious, virulent racist.  So, I would say, was
>one of our great presidents, Teddy Roosevelt.  I would also say that these
>lapses in moral character make them victims of their culture and times, 
>and detract only slightly from their other great accomplishments.  Hitler,
>by the same token a victim of his culture and times, should be similarly
>measured by his accomplishments, such as instigating the most brutal war
>in history and the murder of 12,000 men, women and children.

(12,000?) 

No, Jews instigated World War II because Germany wisely refused Jews participation in its
economy and state for the health and benefit of the German people.  Jews were
war-mongering long before WWII began and pulling every string to get the U.S. in the war.
The U.S. had no legimitate interest in a local European border dispute.   

Jews also instigated WWI as is well-known  

>Just as well, maybe you can explain how an ability to navigate, fly, and
>maintain alertness for 30-odd hours in an airplane qualifies Lindbergh as
>and expert on geopolitics, national policy, and morality.

Oh yes.  Where can I get my "morality" certificate?  At the Simon Weisenthal School for
Morality?  Gee, I wish I was certified in morality.  If someone asks me if it is wrong for
Jews to lie about the Holocaust, I guess I can't answer the question because I don't have
my morality "certificate."  

According to "Kimberly Ahlf" one must be "certified" to know that if the White race
engages in internecine wars for Jewish interest then they will weaken and destroy their
race.  I guess you have to be "certified" to understand that one, too.  

Yours the dumbest assertion I have heard (aside from Keren's "Holocaust" stories, of
course) in quite some time.   People don't need "certificates" to hold valid opinions,
although I would agree that "Kimberly Ahlf" has proven herself unqualified to express an
opinion on several topics.

Kurt Stele





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karlpov@access5.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>I do not advocate rape as punishment for any crime. I do not advocate
>the death penalty for relatively passive support of the Nazi regime.
>But I do not mind a whole lot if many Germans went hungry for a little 
>while after the war, considering that they allowed Jews to starve to
>death while they had the upper hand.

"Went hungry for a while"?  That's not what happened.  Millions were deliberately starved
to death.  

YOU just told me they deserved their punishment "In large part".  Those are your exact
words.   I guess the only "brainless" action taken was accepting your words at face value
before you waffled on them.

>I note with interest your indignation over alleged misconduct by 
>Allied troops, and wonder if you have similar indignation for German
>mistreatment of Allied prisoners and noncombatant populations during 
>the war....

The German were the most humane combatants in the conflict, both in the standards of
sanitation and overall prisoner treatment.   The disasters which befelled the camps at
war's end, and which have been nefariously parlayed by a clever and greedy people into a
multi-billion dollar hoax-enterprise, were of the Allies' own making after they severed
German supply lines.  All the same, the Germans did the best they could, and had they
wanted to exterminate Jews, they would have shot all of them dead at least at that point,
as they had nothing to lose by doing so, and everything to gain, if anything to destroy
potential witnesses.  Considering this, it is a -lie- to claim the Nazis were trying to
exterminate Jews.  

Given the good conditions the International Red Cross described in the camps, it would the
ultimate absurdity to claim that Nazis were trying to exterminate Jews.  Those conditions
are not the sort one would find had Nazis been trying to "exterminate" Jews.

The  "Holocaust" Lie is a Hoax, a monstrous deception, a deliberate deceit of unparalled
proportions.  It has been exposed, and ultimately it will be exposed to the masses.     

Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>Ah, Herr Wankermeister! Back for more ridcule and abuse for your rabid
>anti-Semitism and ignorant Holocaust denialism, I see. Such masochism! 

You don't have jack-shit, neither does any other Holocauster. 

>Herr Wankermeister, the reason for Ho"ss's revising his estimate given in
>earlier interrogations, and at Kaltenbrunner's trial, is self-evident in
>his memoirs: 

>"During my earlier interrogations I gave the number of 2.5 million Jews
>who arrived at Auschwitz to be exterminated. This figure was given to me
>by Eichmann, who had given this figure to my superior, SS General Glu"cks,

>"I can only remember the figures involved in the larger actions, which
>were repeated to me by Eichmann or his deputies.

>[The total the individual special actions Ho"ss recalls can be summed up
>to 1,130,000.] 

>"...I can no longert remember the figures for the smaller actions, but
>they were insignificant by comparison with the numbers given above.

>"I regard a total of 2.5 million far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits
>to its destructive capabilities.

You are saying Hoess' first estimate, which was given to him by Eichmann was wrong, yet
another estimate, also given by Eichmann, was right.  If the first one is wrong, what
basis does Hoess have for disbelieving it, and if wrong what basis does Hoess or anyone
else have for believing Eichmann's "new" figure?  

Sounds like arbitrary, and highly suspicious, revising to me, alright..

Kurt Stele

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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>COVER-UP.

A most succinct and accurate description of not only the U.S. "investigation" into the
torture of Germans, but of the "Holocaust" in general.

Kurt Stele



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Fergus McClelland  wrote:

[another scathing dismemberment of Keren's superstitions]

Fergus,

Keren is what one calls "a true believer."  Long after Simon Weisenthal has thrown in the
towel and the establishment has been forced to retract most of the Holocaust's obvious and
ridiculous Lies, and even after the History are set aright, Keren will still be sitting
behind his keyboard typing away madly in defense of the most idiotic of the "Holocaust"'s
fish tales.  

You see, there are exterminationists and there are exterminationists.  Several
exterminationists, such as Deborah Lipschtadt, have been forced, lest the entire Holocaust
lose all credibility from patented sheer idiocy, to retract the most absurd of the
Holocaust's unsubstantiated claims such as the  "soap" hoax.   But there will are
exterminationists, as there will always be, who will defend  every last -inch- of the
"Holocaust."  

Keren is one such exterminationist..  

So far, Keren has defended the following stories.  I don't mean "argued their
possibility."  I  mean he has -defended- them as TRUE:

1)  That German fighter pilots' maniacal laughter could be heard over the sound of machine
gun fire; 

2)  That Germans gave poisonous cookies to children, and then smeared poisonous cookies on
their lips to finish the job.

3)  Every "Holocaust" story that has ever been presented from IMT annals.

Keren also claims that the Israelis, after flying recon planes over the USS Liberty for
hours before, and strafing the USS Liberty several times, and aiming at and blasting away
its American flag, that the Israelis "didn't know" it was an American ship;  Keren
persists in this assertion even though his Jewish brothers have long since shrugged their
shoulders and admitted the obvious that the USS Liberty was attacked deliberately, that
the attack was made because the IDF thought (incorrectly) that it was a "spying on
Israel."

Keren is the most religious of all the exterminationists.  

Despite your well-written and scathing deconstruction of Keren's ludicrous assertions, you
may rest assured that he will persist in defending far more ridiculous than the ones you
elucidated.  It was a valiant effort to shed light onto a fool's writing, but "a dog
always returns to his vomit" as I think the Yiddish proverb says.  Wiping away mildew
unfortunately is no preventative for it recurrence.

Keren's belief in the "Holocaust" is religious, and religion has never respected such
"minor details" as scientific laws and empirical evidence.  Keren thinks he is doing the
"Holocaust" a favor by furiously defending each and every one of its silly tales, but by
doing so he is and inadvertently exposing "Holocaust" as a Lie, and himself a fool. 

Your valiant effort is commended though.

Kurt Stele



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"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
wars of politics and possession."  

Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.

Kurt Stele




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Swiss Banks Sued by Holocaust Victims
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(Reuter):

NEW YORK (Oct 4, 1996 5:30 p.m. EDT) - A $20 billion class action suit has
been filed on behalf of Nazi Holocaust survivors against Swiss banks for
allegedly refusing to return victims' money, jewelry and other assets.

The suit, filed Thursday in Brooklyn federal court, seeks $20 billion in
actual damages, unspecified punitive damages and a full accounting of what
became of the accounts and personal property deposited by the survivors and
their families.

The exact number of the potential class is unknown, the suit stated.

Defendants in the case are Union Bank of Switzerland, Swiss Bank
Corporation, which is also known as Swiss National Bank, and more than 100
unnamed banking institutions and individuals.

The case was brought by Holocaust survivor Gizella Weisshaus of Romania.
Weisshaus, who now lives in Brooklyn, filed the case on behalf of all
Holocaust victims and survivors who had deposited money and property in
various Swiss banks for safe keeping until after the Second World War.

The Nazis also stripped class members of personal property including the
gold from their teeth, the suit stated.

The suit alleged that the banks took control of, bought, converted, or
transferred these assets through transactions or agreements with the Nazi
government during the war.

It states a New York federal court would have jurisdiction because the
defendants do business within New York State, the alleged wrongdoings
violate U.S. treaties, affect the U.S. economy and violate international
banking laws.

In addition to monetary damages, the suit seeks an an accounting including
specific identification and disclosure of all dormant accounts and safety
deposit boxes established between 1933 and 1945. It seeks information on
transactions through which gold bullion, currency, jewels, gold taken from
teeth and other items of value were deposited and transferred through
agreements with the Nazi government.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Nicholas Burns said the United
States would study the "retrieval and disbursement" of Nazi gold and other
assets after the war.

He said the study would look into what the U.S. government of the time knew
about the dispersal of Nazi assets and U.S. contacts with the Swiss
government at the time.

Burns said the study of U.S. archives, to be carried out by State Department
historians, would last several months and its results would be made public.

Republican SenAlfonse D'Amato, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee,
last month called for the State Department to investigate what he called "50
years of deception" by Switzerland over the amount of funds deposited by the
Nazis.

Burns said his department was responding to requests by D'Amato and the
World Jewish Congress about "what the U.S. government knew about the
disposition of Nazi assets at that time (and) whether or not we had
diplomatic contact with the Swiss government..."

On Wednesday D'Amato asked the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and the
Tripartite Commission for information about gold looted by the Nazis.

The letters from D'Amato, R-New York, were part of his committee's
investigation into assets taken by the Nazis from Holocaust victims,
including an accounting of any funds in Swiss bank accounts.

D'Amato also asked the Brussels-based Tripartite Commission for the
Restitution of Monetary Gold how much gold it had sent to the New York Fed,
the Bank of England and other central banks since it was created in 1946 to
resolve the issue of assets stolen by the Nazis.

On Sept. 30, Switzerland's lower house of parliament voted for a sweeping
study of Swiss financial dealings with Nazi Germany and the fate of Jewish
wealth deposited before, during and after the Second World War.




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jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) wrote:

>	 You state that  the "revisionists reject the reality of Nazi crimes,"
>well,  you --  the  number one apologist for  Soviets, --   don't seem
>to be bothered to much with  Soviet  crimes, are you now? 

Of course Jew-Keren doesn't give one hoot about the rape against German children.  Don't
you understand, such "insignificant" events steal the thunder from Shoah business?  The
only thing that counts in the WWII was how many JEWS died, and nevermind how
unsubstantiated and preposterous those claims are.  

40 million goyim die?  Ah who cares.  No need for a "holocaust" museum because they
weren't Jews.  

If an event doesn't glorify the Jewish persecution concept the Holocaust was designed to
propagate, it simply doesn't count.   They don't like you recounting Allied atrocities.
not so much becauase it makes Allies look bad, but rather because it increases the supply,
saturating the market, thereby lowering the market value of gore, decreasing the shock
value of atrocities in general, threatening the $$$$$$$.  

Business is all about supply and demand, you know.

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>They voted for the reps, Senators and President who approved this aid,
>which btw, does not total $5 billion a year (yes i have the figures
>and a source, unlike you)

Alright, how much does you source say it added up to?  I'm waiting...

Kurt Stele





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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <53psmf$pc6@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> "Went hungry for a while"?  That's not what happened.  Millions were 
>> deliberately starved to death.  

>You evidence for this is where ? Who deliberately starved millions of
>Germans to death ?

Senator Homer E. Capehart of Indiana in an address before the U.S. Senate, February 5,
1946:  

"The fact can no longer be suppressed, namely, the fact that it has been and continues to
be, the deliberate policy of a confidential and conspiratorial clique within the
policy-making circles of this government [gee, I wonder who that included. K.S.] to draw
and quarter a nation now reduced to abject misery.

For nine months now this administration has been carrying on a deliberate policy of mass
starvation without any distinction between the innocent and the helpless and the guilty
alike."

From the Chicago Daily Tribune, May 8, 1946:

"On the contrary the starvation is the product of foresight.  It was deliberately planned
at Yalta by Roosevelt, Stalin, and Churchill, and the program in all its brutality was
later confirmed by Truman, Attlee, and Stalin."  

From Victor Gollanz' _Leaving them to their Fate_:

"Stocks of food and feeding stuffs in this country owned and controlled by the minister of
food, exclusive of stocks on farms or held by secondary wholesalers and manufacturers, was
estimated to total on the last day of March  no less than 4,000,000 tons."  

Ample food stocks nearer to Germany even than those in England existed while the Germans
starved.  On the same page on a newspaper in the autumn of 1945, two articles appeared
under the following headlines:

(1)  "WEST GERMANS FACE HARD FIGHT AGAINST FAMINE."

(2)  "COME AND GET IT, DENMARK TELLS HUNGRY EUROPE."

The article under the latter reads:

"The exhausted Danish farming industry succeeded in increasing pigs to nearly two million,
60 per cent of the prewar stock, and last week 45,000 live cattle were offered for
slaughtering, of which 32, 000 had to be refused as the warehouses are filled to capacity
and no shipping was available.  Denmark has in vain drawn the attention of Britain, the
U.S. and UNRRA to the facts, at the same time forwarding proposals, but no reply has been
received so far.  The huge cold storage facilities in north Germany are not being
utilized, and refrigerator ships are lying idle in north German harbors." 

>You're misrepresenting what Mr. Power said, and I think you know that. Mr.
>Power said that the German people, in large part, deserved their
>punishment. That is to say that the majority of the German people deserved
>punishment, not that they deserved to be tortured. While I can't say that I
>agree that the German people deserved punishment, you at the least could
>try to be truthful about what another person says in a public conference,
>since your lies are easily detected.

Misrepresenting, my ass.  The man said Germans deserved their punishment "in large part."
That punishment included mass starvation, rape, mass killings, besides torture.  Read his
post again bullshitter.

>[Posted/Emailed. At my discretion, e-mail may be treated as having been
>placed in the public domain.]

Okay lawyer-boy.  

Kurt Stele



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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>You can provide no evidence that Hoess was tortured or mistreated in any way
>at Nuremberg. Thus, your assertion is as full of shit as you are.

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."


British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele



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Dene Bebbington  wrote:

>>"Emmanual Goldstein" has been replaced by any number of figures:
>>Adolf Hitler is Emmanual Goldstein, any and all "racisists" are
>>Emmanual Goldstein, "Holocaust Deniers" are Emmanual Goldstein,
>>"filthy Jews" are Emmanual Goldstein, "red-neck KKK scum" are Emmanual
>>Goldstein ... anything which can produce The Five Minute Hate is
>>Emmanual Goldstein.

>Your analogy is both silly and disgraceful. The Two Minute Hate was
>designed to give the people an imaginary and demonised enemy to focus
>their anger on, and strengthen their loyalty to the Party and Big
>Brother. The replacements for Goldstein that you mention above such as
>Hitler, Holocaust Deniers, and KKK members are all real and dangerous.

Ooooh those Holocaust Deniers (sandwiched in between eeee-vil Adolf and the KKK!  That was
a sly one) sure are "dangerous" people.  

Gee, shouldn't "dangerous" people be locked up?  

Isn't that what they did in Orwell's _1984_?  

Isn't that what "democratic" (sic) Germany is doing today?  

Sounds to me like the revisionist is indeed the new object of the five-minute hate. 

Kurt Stele



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jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>Karl Kluge  wrote:

>[re: well "re" what? Giwer couldn't seem to make up his mind whether
>torture was used in witchcraft trials]

>>Bzzzt. Sorry, but thank you for playing. Some of the accused were tortured in
>>the Salem Witch Trials. See the article on the Salem Trials in Rossell Hope
>>Robbins' _Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology_. In any case, (and rather
>>atypically) since the only people accused of witchcraft who were executed in
>>the Salem trials were those who refused to confess, the confessions were
>>clearly coerced.

>Before Giwer comes back with some typically ignorant statement about
>Hope Robbins' academic credentials, I will note that Hope Robbins' was
>among the most respected scholars in medieval studies in the last
>generation. His most famous work, and still the standard reference
>work on the subject, is his monumental Index of Middle English Verse.

This does not refute the phenomenon Giwer explained whereby accused's confess without
coercion to crimes they did not commit.

Kurt Stele




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fatbroad@veritas.nizkor.org (Fatbroad! (OFB)) wrote:

>             In loving memory of Stephanie Brumlik

>        "THE 'STATE' OF IDAHO: THE CASE FOR OPEN DEBATE

>"If you would ask any schoolchild how many states there are in the 
>United States, you will get the same answer: 50. Fifty states in 
>the Union. It is simply an accepted 'fact.' If you would disagree 
>with this supposed 'fact,' you would be branded insane or worse.

>"However, mounting evidence shows that there are in fact only 49 
>states in the US, and the 'state' of Idaho is a baseless myth.

>"We have been trying to distribute and publish this information for 
>over *two years*, but our scholarship has not been given any respect. 
>We have been censored, vilified, ridiculed and spat upon by the 
>'traditional' geographers and historians, but WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED! 

>"All we ask is that the existence of the state of Idaho be debated, as 
>every other historical and geographic 'fact' can be debated. Time 
>after time, our opponents have refused to debate us on the FACTS. This 
>alone should tell you something about the people who support the 
>'existence' of this '43rd state.'

>"Please read the following evidence VERY CAREFULLY, and you will be 
>astonished at the veracity of our cause. 

>"THE POPULATION MYTH

>"Do you know anybody from Idaho? Do you know anybody *who knows anybody* 
>from Idaho? According to the 1990 'census,' there are over one million 
>(1,000,000, or 1 x 10^6) people living in Idaho. But if there are so 
>many Idahoers, where are they?

>"Some people have come forward and claimed that they were born and raised 
>in 'Idaho.' But *every single person* who made this claim have been 
>shown to be frauds and charlatans. These 'Idahoan wannabes' are 
>invariably inconsistent with each other about the  size (in square 
>miles or square kilometers) of 'Idaho,' about various town and village 
>names, and even about the names of 'Idaho's mighty rivers.' 

>"THE SIZE FARCE

>"According to traditional geographic sources (created entirely by people 
>who believe in the existence of Idaho, and probably the Tooth Fairy, 
>also) the 'State' of Idaho is more than twice the size of Maine, 
>Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,  Connecticut and Massachusetts 
>*combined.* Isn't it strange that a state with such vast land resources 
>has so few people?  And even of you look at a map (created by the 
>Idaho-centric  cartographers) the 'State' of 'Idaho' is dwarfed by its 
>much larger neighbor, Montana. 

>"SATELLITE EVIDENCE

>"Recently declassified weather satellite information, showing the entire 
>continental United States, shows absolutely *no evidence* that there is 
>any state where 'Idaho' is supposedly located. Noted experts in the 
>field of interpreting these pictures unanimously agree that, from outer 
>space, it is impossible to determine the borders of this elusive 
>'state.' Yet meteorologists and cartographers routinely overlay these 
>satellite pictures with the outline of states that would seem to 
>indicate Idaho's existence.

>"PHOTOGRAPHIC 'EVIDENCE'

>"Many people, skeptical of the clear evidence that Idaho does not and 
>never did exist, point to photographs that they've seen in 
>encyclopedias and postcards seeming to show parts of the  state of 
>Idaho. 

>"It is important to note that a photograph without a caption is often 
>meaningless. A picture of people in boats surrounded by mountains could 
>have been taken in Colorado or Nevada,  but when the holy *caption* 
>says that this is a picture of the 'Salmon River' in 'Idaho,' gullible 
>readers tend to swallow this information whole *without any further 
>examination.*

>"We have examined literally hundreds of these 'photographs,' and the 
>ones that are not outright fakes are all clearly taken in other parts 
>of the nation.

>"ASK THE JAPANESE

>"It is well known that Americans are woefully ignorant about geography, 
>which is one reason why it is so easy to fake an entire state here. Not 
>surprisingly, most of the effort to create the illusion of Idaho has 
>been expended in the USA.

>"But if you would ask a typical Japanese or French schoolchild about what 
>he/she knows about Idaho, you will usually get a blank stare. People who 
>are much better at geography than  Americans have never heard of this 
>'great state.' 

>"THE POTATO MYTH 

>"Any given supermarket in the United States has sacks of potatoes clearly 
>marked 'Idaho Potatoes.' People make the assumption, that when they are 
>buying these potatoes, that they were *grown* in the 'state' of 'Idaho.' 

>"Actually, 'Idaho' is a type of potato, just like 'McIntosh' is a type of 
>apple. The FACT is that *many* states have potato crops, as well as 
>foreign countries, and potatoes that say 'Idaho' on them are no more 
>from Idaho than Baltimore Orioles all come  from Maryland.

>"SO, WHAT'S THERE?

>"Nothing. THERE IS NOTHING THERE. We have been so brainwashed by the 
>traditional mapmaking community to think that if Idaho doesn't exist, 
>then there must be some sort of vacuum there instead. This is nonsense.

>"The very shapes and positions of the states, and indeed of every 
>nation on the planet, is only known through 'information' provided by 
>cartographers.  It is akin to asking 'if Santa's house isn't at the 
>North Pole, then what's there instead?'

>"THE CARTOGRAPHER CONSPIRACY

>"The *only evidence* that there is a state called Idaho comes from maps.  
>Everybody has maps, in almanacs, in encyclopedias, and on the walls of 
>every elementary school classroom in America.

>"Astonishingly, *over 99%* of all maps are created by *cartographers!* 
>If any clearly defined set of people would control any other important 
>industry to that degree, everybody would be up in arms about the undue 
>influence given to a meager few. However, for some reason, 
>Cartographers are immune to such criticism. Any mention about the 
>Cartographer influence over the mapmaking industry (and, as a natural 
>extension, OUR VERY THOUGHTS!) is  dismissed as 'lunacy.' 

>"As an indication of how insidious is this influence, just think: have 
>you ever questioned a map? Maps, being graphical objects, require much 
>less effort to assimilate into our very psyches.  Behavioral studies 
>show that people can much more readily understand maps than printed 
>descriptions of geographical areas; in fact, the images on maps tend 
>to go directly into the subconsciousness of Man (Homo Sapiens) without 
>the critical thinking that accompanies reading. In a very real way, 
>Cartographers are the *real* Thought Police. 

>"But they do not work in a vacuum. There are much too few of them  to 
>do their real damage unaided. Mapmakers have conspired with the 
>editors of almanacs and encyclopedias to create a fantastic illusion 
>of space where there is none, people where there aren't any, and  ski 
>resorts where none exist. 

>"ONLY THE BEGINNING

>"This is only the tip of the iceberg. We have much more material on this 
>conspiracy, and we have yet to uncover one iota of evidence that Idaho 
>has ever existed. All of the so-called 'evidence' is a mixture of 
>falsifications, coersions, lies and exaggerations.

>"The Cartographers would like nothing better than to silence us. If you 
>do not see any more postings on this subject, then you  have clear 
>evidence that their Conspiracy of Silence on Idaho  has succeeded, and 
>that Freedom of Speech has been curtailed by the Cartographical Thought 
>Police. 

>"What can you do? All we ask is that you be open minded. Of course, you 
>cannot trust any of the second-hand evidence that you would find in 
>libraries, maps (!), airline schedules or street signs. All you can 
>trust is what we have written here. We are confident that once you 
>evaluate all of the valid evidence, you will be angered by this 
>conspiracy, and motivated to do something about the scum who 
>perpetated this hoax."

The problem with the satire is that the Holocaust not only fails to present positive
evidence for its occurrence, but that it also fails to account for events that occurred
that would not have had the "holocaust" been true.  The latter deficiency is more
damaging.

Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>Herr Schwarzesel's scumbag Nazi apologia, rather. It is obvious that
>Kramer, by his perverse cruelty and inaction, killed thousands of inmates
>at Bergen-Belsen. Equally obvious is that he surrendered Bergen-Belsen
>because he had no viable alternative with the British Army at the gates.
>As to not having to explain his actions to Klein? What is to explain?
>Kramer murdered thousands by depriving them of food and water and forcing
>them to live in horrid conditions until they died. 

That "Holocaust" claim has been pretty soundly debunked if you were paying attention

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 wrote:

>Also, don't forget that the murderous CHEKA, predecessor to the KGB was
>established by the POLISH JEW Dzerzhinski, together with his Jewish
>associates.

>It was the JEWISH RUN secret police that assisted Stalin in the mass
>murders of the Ukraine in 1933,known as genocide.

>It was the Jewish run NKVD that murdered the Polish officers at KATYN.
>Remember???

>It was the JEWS running the secret police that set up all the
>gulags.Remember??

>Who can forget all the JEWS in the USA who betrayed their new country to
>the Soviet Union, starting with the Rosenbergs and others uncovered by the
>McCarthy hearings?

From The Reverend George E. Simons, who as the Superintendent 
of the Methodist Episcopal Church in Petrograd from 1907 to 1918 was an 
eyewitness to the Bolshevik Revolution. He testified before the United 
States Senate and his statement can be found in Volume III of United 
States Senate Document No. 62, 66th Congress, First Session: 

"Out of 388 members of the new Russian government, only 16 happened to be 
Russians. One was an American Black. All the rest, 371, were Jews. Of 
these 371 Jewish Bolshevik leaders, no less than 265 of them were from 
the Lower East Side of New York City."

Can you say "cabal" kiddies?

Kurt Stele





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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

>>  	You are incorrect.  Nysli was known to other physicians at Auschwitz.  
>>  Further he gave a deposition in 1945.

>Gave a deposition to whom?  Where did he testify?
>BTW that is not the proof I asked for.  Similarly I 
>asked for the toxicological test results from the
>alleged gassing victims at Dachau and you refer
>me to someone's "testimony".

Come on, you know these Holocausters can't produce any physical evidence?  If they had it,
they would give it.  But they don't of course.  Their Hoax is propped up on that
time-honored pillar of "eyewitness testimony" -- you know, the kind which claims that
Nazis used steaming to kill people, and that Nazis tore live babies apart with their bare
hands, and was able to hear maniaclal laughter over the sound of machine guns  -- real
"reliable" stuff like that.  

>>  >  I haven't made criminal accusations against people.
>>  
>>  
>>  	You most certainly have.  As one example you have, falsely, accused  
>>  the investigators of the Malmedy massacre of phsyically torturing German soldiers to 
>>  extract confessions.

Judge Edward L. van Roden revealed the methods by which Nazis "admissions" were secured:

"Posturing as priests to hear  confessions and give absolution; torture with burning
matches driven under prisoners fingernails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws;
solitary confinement and near starvation rations.

"The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been
kept in solitary confinement for three, four and  five months. . . . The investigators
would put a black hood over the accused's head and punch him in the face with brass
knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses . . . .  All but two of the Germans in
the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.  This was
standard operating procedure with our American investigators.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their
prosecutors."

British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily News_,
January 9th, 1949, 

Judge Edward L. van Roden was one of the three-member Simpson Army Commission subseqently
appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials.  

Kurt Stele





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mgiwer@worldnet.att.net (Matt  Giwer) wrote:


>Thank you for your inquiry about the conference.  The call for papers 
>is included in this message, and the conference announcement will be 
>sent via e-mail to you in November.  The deadline for the call for 
>papers has been extended to October 22 for those learning about the 
>conference late.   If you prefer to receive a conference brochure, 
>please send your name, complete mailing address and fax number to me 
>at my e-mail address. 
>Laura Ellenburg

>===

>Presentation proposals are being accepted for the 27th Annual 
>Scholars' Conference on the Holocaust and the Churches to be held 
>March 2-4, 1997 in Tampa, Florida.  The conference is sponsored by the 
>University of South Florida in cooperation with the Tampa Bay 
>Holocaust Memorial Museum and Educational Center and Eckerd 
>College. 

These gatherings are about to be rendered anachronistic, kind of like going to Flat Earth
Society meetings.  One should go and grab a piece of history while you still can.

It won't be around for very much longer.

Kurt Stele

>=====
>Read the information holohuggers fear
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
>http://www.alquds.org.80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side





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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>:>They have no further evidence.

>Bullshit.  Former SS admitted that a Sonderaktion was a codeword for killing. 
>Eichmann admitted it; I would assume he would know.  Franz Suchomel admitted
>it--he was an SS guard.

Oh yeah, Franz Suchomel; gave another "come-lately" interview on some Jewish documentary.
He said special action meant "gassing."  And other SS guards said the word didn't mean
gassing.  Once again, another inconclusive contradiction.  Once again, no physical
evidence to resolve it.  That speaks volumes.

>:>Consider that "vergassungkeller" was used openly, and by a nobody, and the
>:>exterminationists claim this meant "gas chamber" too.

>It means a "gassing cellar", as anyone who knows German knows.

The word specifically means in German "carburation celler" -- the space in which the
primary fuel is converted into combustible gas before being fed into the hearth.  A gas
chamber in German would be "Gaskammer."  

At any rate, since Bischoff's letter of January 29, 1943 is the only known document from
the Auschwitz camp files in which the word "Vergasung" is used in connection with the
crematoria, there is no documentary evidence for the allegation the chambers for killing
people by means of lethal gas were part of the crematoria.

But you knew that.

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com writes:

># Also, in Soviet hands, Hoess must have fared
># much worse treatment,

>Absolute rubbish. Hoess wrote in his memoirs some things that
>infuriated his Soviet and Polish captors:

>1) That 1.3 million died in Auschwitz, as opposed to their
>   estimate of 4 million. Moreover, he mocks the higher
>   estimates as "figments of the imagination", which "lack
>   any foundation".

Where does it say "it infuriated" his Soviet and Polish captors?  I'm waiting.

>Are you indeed such a poor, retarded little Nazi that you
>cannot understand that it doesn't make any sense that, had
>they "tortured him into saying what they wanted", they would
>NOT have told him to write this?

Another Kerenian leap.  

Obviously 4 million was such a ridiculous figure even the hoaxsters had to retract it.
The figure was then re-set to 1.13 (not 1.3).   

Hoess commentary about "figments of the imagination" isn't evidence of an "independent"
hand (!) -- nothing Hoess asserted ever challenged the Allied's claim of gassing by
extermination.  Nothing he said ever threatened the Allies theory.  There is no evidence
he was writing "independently" of Allied coercion, assuming he -did- write those memoirs
(doubtful).

As it turned out, the death registers of Auschwitz reveal that 1.13 was a huge figment of
imagination also.  

>2) That the Soviet POW's behaved like animals, killing each
>   other for a piece of bread, and practiced cannibalism.

>Can you tell us, nazi-boy, WHY the Soviets would have "forced"
>him to write this?

Why not?  It makes the Germans appear worse than they were.  

>3) That the Polish inmates were bitterly fighting among themselves,
>   and killing each other, in battles for a higher position in
>   the inmate hierarchy.

>Mr. Van-Alstine is kind to you. Calling you a "scumbag Nazi apologist"
>is a serious overestimate. You're much lower.

Keren is a low-life scumbag jew-traitor and a filthy liar. 

Here, Keren is claiming that just because -every- section of Hoess' memoirs "wasn't
pro-Ally" that therefore Hoess'  wasn't coerced in large part to repeat the Allied hoax of
extermination by gassing.  Sorry, it doesn't follow.  It was in the Allied best interest
for the memoirs to appear somewhat credible.

In addition the trial was a kangaroo court, the victors putting the defeated on trial, and
van Roden admitted torturing was "standard operating procedure."  The whole thing stinks
to high heaven.

There are making huge leaps to try to make up for the deficiencies of physical evidence.  

Kurt Stele



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>Well, we won't be looking YOUR way if we are interested
>in the truth.

Just wait until David Irving presents the letter from Hoess to his family fully admitting
the torture he received.  

Coming right up!

Kurt Stele



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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>They voted for the reps, Senators and President who approved this aid,
>>which btw, does not total $5 billion a year (yes i have the figures
>>and a source, unlike you)

>Alright, how much does you source say it added up to?  I'm waiting...

>Kurt Stele

Andrew Mathis won't give the figure of U.S. aid to Israel because he knows the figure adds
up to BILLIONS every year.  

"Yes sir, Mr. Jew.  You would like yet another BILLION from US tax-dollars?  By all means,
Mr. Jew sir, at once."

The Jewish gravy train:  looks like the "Holocaust" hoax paid off in spades.

Kurt Stele






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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>They voted for the reps, Senators and President who approved this aid,
>>which btw, does not total $5 billion a year (yes i have the figures
>>and a source, unlike you)

>Alright, how much does you source say it added up to?  I'm waiting...

>Kurt Stele

Andrew Mathis won't give the figure of U.S. aid to Israel because he knows the figure adds
up to BILLIONS every year.  

"Yes sir, Mr. Jew.  You would like yet another BILLION from US tax-dollars?  By all means,
Mr. Jew sir, at once."

The Jewish gravy train:  looks like the "Holocaust" hoax paid off in spades.

Kurt Stele






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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>The Nazi regime had no love for anything Jewish long before these events
>happened. In any event, while the events you relate are horiffic, it hardly
>justifies genocide of an entire ethnic group.

This statement begs the question of whether "genocide of an entire group" in fact occurred
or was even a goal.

The answer to both inquiries, which revisionists are currently publicizing to greater
numbers of people today than ever before, is: 

"NO."

Kurt Stele





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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>	
>>	If it can't be proven, ban the question.
>>	Storm the libraries. Storm the book stores.
>>     Burn the books.
>>
>>	England: Oct. 1996
>>
>>LABOUR PLEDGE TO LEGISLATE AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL


>>The announcement, made at the party's Blackpool conference, was the 
>>culmination of a lengthy campaign by Jewish groups including the Board
>>of Deputies, the Holocaust Education Trust and Poale Zion.

>>Labour Friends of Israel fringe meeting: "For two years, there has 
>>been a debate over whether to make it a crime to deny the Holocaust. 
>>Now Jack Straw has made it clear that we will.

>	A "lengthy" campaign. "For two years, ...".

>What has happened here is the submission to the Jewish tenacity to
>have their way by way of 'harrassment' and the child mind process of
>"chutzpah".

Chalk yet another one up for the Jewish Big Brother.

Kurt Stele




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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>	And what about the Holocaust. You can bet they are adamant about
>having it forced on our young minds in our school system by state
>legislation. The reason they are so fanatical for this is because the
>Holocaust is a propaganda tool to incite acceptance for the U.S.
>support of the Jewish state of Israel.

>	And what about the ADL views on Holocaust denial? Should it be
>banned? Yes, yes, yes, yes. "Hate", "hate", "hate". "Anti-Semitic",
>anti-Semitic", "anti-Semitic". 

>	He who says Israel is not a religious based state shoves doo doo
>to your mouth and tells you it is honey. 

The ADL whines about the eroding separation of Church and State yet:

1)  U.S. citizens are forced to pay Jewish kosher food tax;
2)  U.S. citizens are forced to subsidize the Jewish State to the tune of several BILLION
dollars every year.

It must be nice to have it both ways like Jews do.  

It appears they have all their bases covered.  State Legislation pumps the Holocaust Lie
into the little kids' brains every year while the Jewish media keep any and all
counter-evidence to the Lie off of the airwaves (even off local AM stations, Zundel's
nixing).  Then the Jewish ADL enforces compliance to the Jewish agenda by threatening and
intimidating book publishing houses to cancel book contracts.  (e.g., David Irving's)  

Talk about coordinated efforts on several fronts.  The 20th century will most certainly
considered "the Jewish century".  Never has Jewish influence and control been so pervasive
before. 

The Internet is of course the next target for thought-suppression.  They correctly surmise
that no matter how much they suppress thoughts elsewhere and actively propagate the Lie in
all quarters of education, (elementary school, college, Armed forces)  they still have a
gaping wound where their Lie-feblood is still spurting out at unprecedented levels:  the
Internet.   

As long as such a huge medium as the Internet exists for disseminating revisionism, no
amount of Jewish brainwashing can halt its spread.  Kids can immediately flip to
revisionist websites in youthful rebellion against "what is forbidden", and will be drawn
to see the "prohibited."   And the "prohibited" is only a mouse-click away.   Yee hah!

This is going to be interesting.

Kurt Stele



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Joel Rosenberg  wrote:

>Tommy, of course, thinks it ought to be safe to throw rocks at Jews.
>Guess he'll be disappointed again.

And Jews think it ought to be safe to kill thousands of Arabs and force hundreds of
thousands out of their lands so Arabs can steal them, and to bulldoze Arab homes, and to
torture Arab prisoners, and to deface Arab religious ground "for tourism" -- and not face
(at least) rock-throwing.   

Kurt Stele

"The 'questioning' comprises making Palestinian stand for days at a time, shackling them
in contorted or bent-over positions and confining them in tiny chairs or closet-like
cubicles. Routinely deprived of sleep, the detainees are forced to relieve themselves in
their clothing and are exposed to extremes of heat and cold while being bombarded with
loud, nonstop music.  One of the worst forms of torture is "hooding," compelling those
held for questioning to wear foul-smelling canvas sacks over their heads for days on end."


[Chicago Tribune, June 15, 1994]




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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>Herr Wankermeister, DO try and keep up. Perhaps if you were to stop
>fondling your genitals once on a while you would have noticed that Butz,
>the person who origionally fabricated the this completely specious
>"definition" of vergassungkeller in regards to the homicidal gas chambers
>of Kremas II and III, has retracted:

>"In my 1976 book The Hoax of the Twentieth Century I offered that this was
>a part of the crematorium building devoted to generating a combustible gas
>for the ovens... By 1989 Robert Faurisson realized that my original
>interpretation was wrong and later in 1989 Pressac conclusively showed
>that it was wrong, based on the design of the cremation ovens...."

You (conveniently) left out the rest:  

---------------------------------------------------

"The purpose of this note is to offer another interpretation which I now believe is more
plausible than any earlier offered by me or anybody else. Before I do that I should remark
that the problem here is what the Vergasungskeller was, not whether it was a homicidal gas
chamber. Those who claim it was a homicidal gas chamber focus their attention entirely on
that one word in the document. If they would instead focus on what the document says, they
would realize that it is impossible to make that interpretation work. The document shows
that in January 1943 the Germans were in a great rush to use the building as an ordinary
crematorium.

"As Faurisson discussed earlier [8], during World War II the combatants paid great heed
that new structures be considered, if possible, as air raid shelters. There were two
principal dangers that such shelters were to provide protection against: bombs and gas
attacks. On account of World War I experiences, the possibilities of the latter were taken
very seriously. Indeed many simply assumed that gas would be used, despite treaties
outlawing its use. Typically, a gas shelter was conceived of as a bomb shelter, preferably
underground and very strong structurally, with some features added to make it secure
against gas; a gas shelter had to be gas tight but allow people to breathe [9]. Since in
many cases it was not economic to provide such structures for at most only occasional use,
it was recognized that such shelters could exist in the form of embellishments to
structures that exist for other purposes. However the number of suitable such structures
was limited. For example, the typical underground cellar belongs to a building with
several stories; the collapse of these in an air raid could prevent people from leaving
the cellar.

"My proposal is that the Vergasungskeller was a gas shelter. It need not have been located
within Crematorium II but I believe it most likely was, on account of the fact that
Crematoria II and III, with their large concrete cellars, were obviously ideal for
adaptation as air raid shelters. Indeed when this problem is looked at from the point of
view of defense against air raids it seems there was no better choice at Auschwitz. The
German authorities responsible for providing air raid shelters would have insisted that
the necessary embellishments be made to these structures. My reading of some of
the relevant chemical warfare literature convinces me that Crematoria II and III were
conceived of by the Germans as having this additional role....

"If this theory is correct then we should view all three cellars in Crematorium II as air
raid shelters, with only one being provided with the additional measures to make it
effective as a gas shelter. That could only be LK 1, since NO-4473 implies it is not LK 2,
LK 3 was very small and, conclusively, because LK 1 was the only one of the three provided
with a gas-tight door [12]. Moreover while all parts of the building had motor driven air
extraction systems, it appears that only LK 1 had a motor driven air intake system [13].

"Pressac also believes the Vergasungskeller was LK 1; under my theory he is then right on
location but wrong on function. LK 1 had the basic features of a gas shelter. Pressac
admits that the air exhaust (at the bottom) and air intake (near the top) systems of LK 1
were misplaced for a gas chamber employing HCN [14]. Although HCN is only slightly lighter
than air, there are various practical reasons why gas chambers employing it normally expel
the gas from the top when the gassing process is completed [15]. Carbon dioxide, by
contrast, is much heavier than air and is most naturally expelled from the bottom of the
relevant space.

"Why would the author of NO-4473 not refer to a Leichenkeller as a Leichenkeller? I don't
think a slip is involved. We normally do not consider ourselves bound to use only formal
designations. More commonly, we refer to things according to their function or in any case
the function that happens to be in mind at the time. The gas shelter features of LK 1 were
its principal structural distinction from LK 2 and those features were being taken into
account in the construction at the time. It was natural that LK 1 might be referred to as
the gas shelter.

"As another example of a use of terminology suggested by function, the engineers Jährling
and Messing referred to LK 2 of Crematoria II and III, during construction, via the terms
"Auskleideraum" and "Auskleidekeller" (undressing room or cellar)...."

---------------------------------------------

Pressac admits that LKI is the dreaded "Vergasungkeller."  But even Pressac admits that
LKI had its vents assbackwards.  It could not have functioned as a gas chamber.

Zyklon B (lighter than air) would have required air exhausts at the top, not the bottom.
But what a coincidence -- bomb shelters use air exhaust at the bottom, carbon dioxide
being heavier than air.   And exhausts at the bottom is what existed in LKI.

It was a bomb shelter, not a gas chamber.

Kurt Stele

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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>   Try dealing with some real questions:
>1. the fact that Leichenkeller 1 was built WITHOUT 
>any vent holes at all.  
>2.  Or that there are no holes on the roof that could
>have been vent holes.  
>3.  Or that the so-called  "porous pillars" could 
>not have been attached at the roof level.
>4.  Or that there were no bars or locks on either
>   Crema II or III to confine the "Sondercommandos".

>CEACAA

The exterminationists just don't have the answers for why the so-called "gas chambers"
couldn't have been real gas chambers.  

Poor little hoax. (tsk tsk)

Kurt Stele    



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kate@accessone.com (Kathleen Mulhern) wrote:

>In article <53j2sc$hob@surz03fi.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE>,
>abels@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de (Nele Abels-Ludwig) wrote:

>*Wow, what a whipping. Pity only that it comes from a neurotic, unemployed
>drunkard who
>*is a self-confessed liar and the laughing stock of everbody.

Everybody?  Or to other Jews like yourself

>I know.  It is sad, isn't it?  And I was going to use the above Giwer gem
>as a .sig, seeing as how it's so... uh... earnest.  But alas, I wouldn't
>want to get the Giwer all excited... excited enough to call me a
>"FATBROAD" again.  I just know he gets all foamy at the mouth and his face
>gets all red and his hands start shaking when people REPEATEDLY prove him
>wrong and then laugh at the spectacle he's made of himself.  

I DOUBT it.  But he might turn red laughing his ass off at your feeble and idiotic
attempts to engage him in a serious debate.

Kurt Stele

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Dene Bebbington  wrote:

>Yes they are dangerous, because whatever their motivations they make it
>easier for history to repeat such atrocities by advocating the position
>that the Nazi brand of fascism was less dangerous and insidious than it
>really was. And btw, there was no slyness on my part, because in the
>original post I replied to Holocaust deniers were in fact sandwiched
>between Hitler and the KKK. The slyness appears to be on your part.

Yeah, let's not reveal the TRUTH about the Lie of the "Holocaust" because that might make
the Nazis look less evil.  Why, we might even have to revise our demonology. 

>>Gee, shouldn't "dangerous" people be locked up?  

>I'm not entirely sure whether Holocaust deniers should be imprisoned,
>but their filthy lies should certainly not be allowed to get away
>unchallenged.

He's not "entirely sure" Holocaust deniers should be imprisoned.  So why shouldn't they be
imprisoned?   Why the "moral dilemma"?  Why not lock revisionists in a dungeon and throw
away the key?  Gee, -that- would make them less dangerous, wouldn't it?  

And this hypocrite-fool claims moral superiority.

>>Sounds to me like the revisionist is indeed the new object of the five-minute 
>>hate. 

>Hardly. But even if they were in some respects it might actually be
>deserved, Orwell's Two Minute Hate was directed at a non-existent enemy
>whereas these people are insidious and very dangerous.

Classic.  The exterminationists love to cite _1984_ for their position, and pontificate
about the evils of Nazi suppression, yet Exterminationists IMPRISON people for the mere
expression of a THOUGHT, a DOUBT, like Dark-Age religious fanatics.   When it comes to
using Orwellian tactics like imprisoning for "thoughtcrime" and the using Two-Minute Hate,
exterminationists glibly rationalize them:   

"I'm not sure if isn't OK to imprison revisionists; I mean, I'm not sure  -- after all,
they're really dangerous" and "in some respects the Two-Minute is OK against revisionists.
Really, it's OK."

Kurt Stele



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Dene Bebbington  wrote:

>Hmmmm, maybe we should give any adherents of Nazism, Fascism or any
>other system that would not provide free speech and democratic rights a
>taste of their own medicine by preventing their free speech and rights,
>since if that is the kind of system they want then they should feel
>comfortable with it. Oh but I forgot, they [Nazis/Fascists] want someone
>else to have the right to free speech removed, not them!

What are you talking about Hypocrite-Man?  Germans don't have rights to choose their own
form of government, except the ones that are "correct" to choose.  They don't have the
freedom to express doubt about that patently fabricated piece of shit known as the
"Holocaust".  And all this takes place in "democratic" (sic) Germany.  Democracy, my ass.
There is no need to contemplate denying them free speech rights -- it's already been DONE,
hypocrite.  YOU are the one who said "well, I'm not sure if we should throw revisionists
in jail or not."  You can't even decide whether or not it's OK to imprison revisionists
for their doubts, jerk-off.  Obviously, the current puppet-regime which throws Lie
doubters into prison and exterminationists like yourself who pretend to be morally
superior than Nazis are double-standard prigs and moral poseurs.

Kurt Stele

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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>Big Deal?  And, no, I do not believe that over
>a million people died at Auschwitz and I will post why 
>eventually.

Ha HA!

Kurt Stele



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jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>mstein@access3.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>>>    Burg, of course, was never in Auschwitz, or Treblinka, or Belzec, or
>>>Sobibor.
>>
>>Burg visited there.  Read the transcript.  He saw gassing used:   to kill lice.

>Read the transcript. Joseph Burg visited Auschwitz after the war and
>didn't see poison gas used for anything.

>Ain't the sharpest tack in the box, are you?

Dumb-ass read below.  He did visit Auschwitz.  He never saw ANY gas chambers at Auschwitz.
In the camp Maindenak that used gas, he saw it used for delousing, not gassing:  

Christie: When you visited Auschwitz in the fall of 1945, did you
specifically look for gas chambers?

Yes, said Burg, "although at that time gassings were not in fashion. Not
yet. But I did look for them. I searched for them and I didn't find
anything."

Christie: And did you find any evidence of gas chambers in 1945 at
Maidanek?

Burg: Yes.

Christie: And what were these gas chambers in Maidanek?

Burg:   They were to liquidate lice, fleas, et cetera. Bugs which caused
epidemics.

The Germans were super-bureaucrats, said Burg. "It can't be that after
all these years not a document can be found. I talked to hundreds of people who serviced
and operated the crematoria," he continued, "but the people who operated gas chambers were
impossible to find The literature was all completely contradictory.
Why? Because it's all made up."

--------------------------------------------------

Even -Jews- are now admitting the "Holocaust" is a hoax.  And you still believe that crap
about "gas chambers"?

Tsk tsk.

Kurt Stele





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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>I am not making this up.

So what?  Is her claim not another good example of how "holocaust" eyewitnesses constantly
exaggerate?  I too seriously doubt the story that a dog ate another man "alive" just like
I doubt the stories about Nazis ripping the breasts off live women with their hands,
forcing Jewish women to lick stairways with their tonges, Nazis ripping apart babies with
their hands, and Jews hearing the maniacal laughter of fighter pilots over the sound of
the engines.  Yet these tales were admitted at trial as "evidence"!   There's so much
bullshit in the "Holocaust" Tale that hardly any of it appears credible.  Revisionists
mostly address the most egregious of the lies like "extermination by gassing" and leave
the ludricrous stuff to be disbelieved by people with more than one brain cell in their
head.

Kurt Stele



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Jews receive BILLIONS of dollars from falsified claims of "Holocaust" torture and death.

And  what do Palestinians receive from the Israelis for their REAL claims?  BILLIONS?  No.
MILLIONS?  No.  Any money at all?  No.   A movie, at least a monument?  No.  

Then what do they get then?

More torture and death.

Those hy-po-crit-ical Jews...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rabin wins support for torture, by Ohad Gozani in Tel Aviv, 
published in the Daily Telegraph, August 25, 1995, page 12.

THE Israeli opposition lent support yesterday to Yitzhak Rabin, 
the Prime Minister, in a row over authorisation to torture sus-
pected terrorists during interrogation. 

The debate flared again after allegations that the bombing of a 
bus in Jerusalem on Monday could have been averted had harsher 
interrogation methods been used against one suspect, who was 
already in custody. 

Five people were killed, including the Palestinian bomber, and 
more than 130 injured in the blast. 

"The Shin Bet [internal security service] must be given a free 
hand in its war against terror," - said Benjamin Netanyahu, head 
of the Right-wing opposition Likud party. Since the wave of 
suicide bombings by Islamic militants began last April, Shin Bet 
has been allowed to resort to methods other than "moderate physi-
cal pressure" to thwart attacks. 

But the authorisation must be extended periodically. Mr Rabin is 
understood to back Shin Bet's demands for a free hand during 
interrogation, something which is opposed by two dovish ministers 
and the government's chief legal adviser. 

The issue is under discussion by a committe [sic]. 

The Shin Bet chief told reporters that the suspected planner of 
the Jerusalem attack was captured two days before the blast. 

He said the man revealed the plan when interrogators were allowed 
to resort to aggressive methods. The suspect also admitted plan-
ning a bus bombing in Tel Aviv on July 24 that killed six people 
and injured 31.

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Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>Rather, Herr Schwarzesel, why don't we discuss why you lied about the
>Discovery Channel, your specious and disingenous use of _The Belsen Trial_
>in support of your lies that the British did not supply the camp with
>water from the river nearby with the equippment on-hand at the camp; your
>lies regarding that the defendants at the Malmedy trial were tortured; and
>your Nazi apologia in regards to Streicher, Pohl, Go"ring, and Ho"ss? 

>Or would that scare the crap out of a lying Nazi apologist like you, Herr
>Schwarzesel?

Oh yes, this is the same Mark Van Alstine who couldn't give shit for an explanation for
how LKI, the cornerstone of the Auschwitz gas chamber myth, could not have operated as a
gas chamber since it wasn't built with any vent holes in it.  Yet when queried by CECEAA
the pussilanimous Van Alstine fled with his tail between his legs and is still evading the
point to this day.  He won't admit he has no explanation for that anymore than he can
refute Blackmore on the torture of Germans or anything else.  The only thing Van Alstine
is good for is hurling the same old dull, banal epithets which doesn't succeed in
achieving anything but making himself look more stupid, of course.  Apparently he gets
some kind of charge out of it even though it is evident he is completely impotent to
explain anything significant about the "Holocaust"'s myriad impossibilities. 

Kurt Stele

(sig. used by an exterminationist desecrating the memory of Solzhenitsyn who knowingly
suffered under a different Jewish Lie, Marxism, deleted)



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ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>>        And who should we assume is and has been feeding this government
>>computer base with the names of people with "terrorist traits"?

>>        The ADL, The Simon Wiesenthal Center, The World Jewish Congress,
>>Mossad, and well ... all the rest.

>That would be very nice; we'd all be much safer.

It would be safer for you and the rest of your Jewish ilk, perhaps..

Kurt Stele



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Under the new merger Gerald Levin with be Ted Turner's new boss.

The old, inadequate refutation to Jewish media control, "what about Ted Turner!" now
cannot be used anymore.

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NEW YORK  - Shareholders of Time Warner Inc. Thursday approved 
the corporation's proposed merger with Turner Broadcasting Systems.

Turner's shareholders were scheduled to vote later in the day.

The merger, first announced a year ago, would create the world's largest 
media company, combining Time Warner's entertainment, news and information, 
and telecommunications operations, with the entertainment and cable broadcasting 
holdings of Turner.

Time Warner shares gained 50 cents to $41.625 in early trading on the New 
York Stock Exchange. Turner's shares were up 50 cents at $31.25 on the American 
Stock Exchange.

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Kurt Stele 
   



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Hoess Memoirs
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:06:35 GMT
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>The Soviets and Poles claimed 4 million deaths at Auschwitz,
>while Hoess gives in his memoirs a rather accurate estimate
>of about 1.3 million. Moreover, he mocks the higher estimates,
>saying they are fruit of wild imagination, etc.

>Can you see how stupid the "revisionist" claim is?

It's called adjusting the Tale further for the sake of credibility.  

Hoess at Nuremberg testified that the number of Jews gassed at Auschwitz was 2.5 million.
IMT XI, 458, XXXIII, 275.  Yet, in his Cracow memoirs the number was arbitrarily reduced
to 1.13 million (not 1.3).   

But we know now even the 1.13 million figure is grossly inflated.  German researcher
Tjudar Rudolf (who is fluent in German, English, French, Yiddish and Polish and
understands most Slavic names and languages) went over all the Soviet/Auschwitz death
register books and totaled the number of Jewish deaths according to name and religion -
even allowing for slavicized names.   He found the total to be slightly over 30,000 Jewish
dead in Auschwitz. 

Can you see how stupid the "Holocaust" claim is?

>Also, can any "revisionist" explain why the Soviets and the 
>Poles would have told Hoess to write that the Soviet POW's
>behaved like a horde of animals, killing each other for a
>piece of bread, practicing cannibalism, etc? 

Let Hoess testify to the heavens about Soviet POW's fighting over bread:  those are still
anti-German stories of course.  

Kurt Stele





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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Is there a jewish political agenda?
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article <53bf6j$a9t@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, 
>dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>These are organisations that are no secret and have existed. I know of
>>no Jewish organisation of a similar nature.

>Untrue. Zionist Israeli Grampas (ZIG) are out to get Giwerundea, and 
>plot its overthrow by cutting off the Cherry Jack transports heading for 
>Tampa Bay... these will be diverted to Edmonton, for obvious reasons.

Isn't it funny that whenever anyone suggests the idea of Jews acting in concert, certain
people immediately dismiss it as absurd, wacko, and beyond the realm of possibility, or
try to make light of it?

Most interesting. 

Yet they want us to believe the story that Nazis concocted a huge gassing/extermination
campaign (with no written orders) against Jews, containing the most caricature and
sinister Hollywood-gothic portrayals of conspiracy.    

Kurt Stele





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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: What if again (despite the fat topic cop)
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <537kg8$n0r@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> "Ordinary Germans".
>> 
>> Let noone claim again that the vicious Lie of the "Holocaust" does not
>slander the German
>> people as whole.
>> 
>> Let Jews as a whole be held accountable for the destructive actions of
>other Jews.
>> 
>> Kurt Stele
> 
>The same genius who wrote:
> 
>-I think the jewish claim about the pyramids is yet -another- hoax.
>-
>-The jewish aversion to manual labor is proverbial.
>-
>-The nazis tried to change that, in the labor camps.
>-
>-Maybe that is why the labor camps were melodramatically called "death
>-camps" by the -millions- of people who survived them:  the thought of
>-doing manual labor was simply horrifying to them.
>-
>-Kurt Stele

Jews have the lowest representation among blue collars trades of any group.  Are you going
to refute the statement?

I thought not..

Kurt Stele





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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>>  # dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
>>  
>>  ## Don't evade the question. You have accepted Kramer's testimony
>>  ## about Belsen. That means you believe he's a reliable witness.
>>  
>>  # I believe he told the truth, and his statements were
>>  # proved by other evidence.  I still insist he was a
>>  # victim of circumstances beyond his contol.
>>  
>>  "rblackmore" agrees that Kramer is a reliable witness. He
>>  must agree, then, that what Kramer said about the murders
>>  in the Natzweiler and Birkenau gas chamebrs is also true.
>>  
>>  
>>  -Danny Keren.
>>  
>>  
>>>>>
>Ah, Danny thinks he has cleverly tricked me into
>admitting that Kramer admits of gassings at
>Brikenau and Natzweiler.  However, what I wrote
>was that I believed that he told the truth in regard
>to BELSEN, AND his statements were PROVED BY
> OTHER EVIDENCE.

>Now, addressing the gas chamber issue, the "other
>evidence" is lacking, unless Danny wants to admit
>that Kramer was tortured by the British...which he
>was, by the way.  Better luck next time, Danny.

Keren makes the dumbest little leaps.

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>Please post even one scintilla of proof for this incorrect statement.  Not a
>single defendant at Nuremberg ever claimed to have been tortured, with the
>exception of Streicher, who even his lawyer thought was deranged.  Why do you
>suppose that all these defendants, when they had been convicted and sentenced,
>and therefore, were safe from recrimination, never claimed to have been
>tortured?  Not one.

That's interesting.  There is also few complaints of coercion from the "witches" tried at
Salem, who "confessed" (sic) to witchcraft.

If Hoess would have complained, the Allies would have sent his family to hell.  A real
threat to family tends to produce most anything you want.

Kurt Stele





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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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aryangar@aol.com (AryanGar) wrote:

>U R a fool Graves (not his real name) U R an idiot...  & U R a Nizcor
>hobbyist.. & nothing more...  your lies, your misrepresentations seem to
>give U a purpose...  how pathetic.   Get a pet, grow up & leave the
>reality of the truth that U so want to hide to those intelligent enough to
>handle it..   Your lie & tricks hold a mirror to your shallowness.

I think it's pretty clear that someone like "Rich Graves" who lies and says he is a
reporter when he isn't, is hardly in any position to attack someone else's credibility.
"Rich Graves" evidently IS a liar and his posts should be considered accordingly.

Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>> You don't have jack-shit, neither does any other Holocauster. 

>So sayeth the Wankermeister. Best you go back to playing with yourself,
>you're completely out of your league here. 

You're a poser who can't prove shit to anyone.

>Obviously, Ho"ss, when thinking about the death toll at Auschwitz while in
>Poland, could not reconcile the 2.5 million figure given to him by
>Eichmann with the figures from the individual major actions at Auschwitz
>also given to him by Eichmann. When considering both figures, and having
>first-hand knowledge of the extermination capacity of Auschwitz, Ho"ss
>realized that Auschwitz _couldn't_ have exterminated 2.5 million in the
>allotted time-span. Ergo, he gave a new, lower, figure based on his
>personal recollections. 

Obviously you have no source or basis WHATSOEVER to corroborate Hoess' revision other than
an arbitrary number drawn out of the blue from Hoess' tortured brain, given to his by his
Allied captors, to make the Hoax more credible.  It was an arbitrary redrawing of the
original figure, and even the new number is far too high.

>So sayeth the Wankermeister. Best you go back to playing with yourself,
>you're completely out of your league here. 

With the likes of you, what -league- is that?  Little league?

Kurt Stele

[cretin's quote of Solzhenitsyn snipped out of respect for the Jew-persecuted Russian]



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aryangar@aol.com (AryanGar) wrote:

>>Gee: "I wonder why"

>>Kurt Stele

>Because it would not suit Graves or the fairytale/profitable Holohoaxters
>in any way to deal with reality, they R far to busy with damage control to
>their beloved & created Holomyth. The myth that has earned the jews power,
>control & money from around the world through trying to guilt out the
>weak-minded.

The only thing Rich Graves contributes to alt.revisionism is moral aspersion cast upon
revisionists like David Irving, in the obvious attempt to discredit his work by personal
smear.   

Yet it is interesting that Rich Graves shows up at the David Irving meeting posing as a
"reporter."  I think we know who the liar is here.

It is both sad, and highly telling, that their primary focus is not on proving their case,
but rather in personally smearing those who have exposed the "Holocaust" as the Lie that
it is.  

Kurt Stele



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Dene "Imprisoning revisionists MIGHT be Okay" Bebbington  wrote:

>It may be news to a troller like you but some of us like to think things
>through somewhat before arriving at a definite viewpoint. Whether
>Holocaust deniers should be imprisoned or not isn't something I've given
>much thought to so far.

The fact that you have to "think about" about whether or not revisionists should be thrown
into jail for doubting the Holocaust says it all.    

Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>> # If this is true there STILL was far more gas used to gas
>> # people than to gas lice.
>> 
>> But it's not true.

>Indeed it is not. Herr Wankermeister, being the dim-bulb he is, failed to
>consider that for every transport of deportees (~1,000 people) murdered in
>the the gas chamber it took about 4 kg of Zyklon B (6 kg for 1,500
>people). However, in addition to delousing the clothes of the _registered_

On one hand you say Zyklon-B was used to kill people (no documentation or physical
evidence just conjecture and "eyewitness testimony")  then you show copious real evidence
it was used to save people.  Obviously, if the Nazis were trying to kill Jews they
wouldn't be delousing to save them.  (duh)  The Holocaust is such bullshit (!)

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Um, I gave the figure the source and the page.

>World Almanac 1995, c. 2.8 billion in 1993, I forget the page.

>I'm not your fucking librarian.  Get me?

OHHH.  You mean ONLY $2.8 BILLION?  (This does not count the money paid to Egypt and other
countries pursuant to Mid-East treaties for Israel.)  

$2.8 BILLION!

Why?  Why should American taxpayers be forced to give Yidsrael $2.8 BILLION?  When did
anybody vote on that?

Never, is the answer.

Kurt Stele



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"Annie Alpert, OFB"  wrote:

>Hey, Brainiac!  In 1945, after the war, the gas chambers at Birkenau
>(although you say Burg said Auschwitz, which is another place
>altogether) were destroyed.  Of course he didn't see anything. He's not
>a  witness.  This is a load of tripe. 

Christie: And what were these gas chambers in Maidanek?

Burg:   They were to liquidate lice, fleas, et cetera. Bugs which caused
epidemics.

Are you going to tell me he wasn't a witness at Maidanek?

Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>Actually, Herr Wankermeister, if you weren't so busy playing with yourself
>you would have noticed that the thread in question is a _very_ long
>running one.* In fact it predates _your_ coming to a.r. by a goodly amount
>of time. Also, if you weren't so busy playing with yourself, you would
>have noticed that I have had over 100 posts, many that go into great
>detail and that required a fair amount of research, to this thread
>addressing the false "issues" the deniers, of which Mr. Allen is but one,
>have tried to pass off. In _every_ instance, Herr Wankermeister, I have
>rebuutted their claims and THEY then CHANGED the subject. 

>Some "running away," eh, Herr Wankermeister? Perhaps it _is_ best that you
>go back to playing with yourself. It seems to be the _only_ thing you're
>remotely good at.... 

So you got your ass kicked pretty soundly, eh Van Schmaltzstine?  Hurts I would imagine.

It's OK.  Your fellow exterminationists will forgive you.  Religious faith never dies.

Kurt Stele



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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>    I seriously doubt that the witness meant the words literally.

>    If you think otherwise, perhaps you should also complain to the
>sportswriters who said that Atlanta annihilated, shellacked, destroyed,
>murdered, etc. St. Louis last night.  After all, the city is still there,
>the players are still alive, and they don't even have a coat of varnish on
>their skin.

yeah, and baseball players were never put on trial on the strength of the same eyewitness
testimony that falsely claimed steaming, electrocution, ripping the breasts of women, and
a thousand other ridiculous tales without any evidence.  Obviously, they took the
ridiculous accounts SERIOUSLY.  And now you say they should be considered metaphorical.  I
agree.  The "Holocaust" is metaphorical crap, and the lack of evidence attests to that.

Kurt Stele



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Jews say they are "heterogeneous" and they don't stick together.   Yet notice how many
Jewish organizations are supporting Jonathan Pollard, a spy for Israel against the U.S.

Notice:  there is not ONE single Jewish group opposing the freeing of Pollard.  

So much for "heterogeneity" (not)

The truth, of course, is that Jews stick together, as is obvious.  Jews' allegiance, now,
as always, is to their own.  Their "citizenship" is any given host country is a(nother)
hoax.

Kurt Stele

-------forward-------------

The following organizations are now on record for having lined up behind
this American traitor and spy for Israel for a commutation of his sentence
- a man who has been described as having hurt America as much as did the
atomic spies of late '40s, the Rosenbergs, who were dispatched to their
reward - over noisy Jewish-Marxist protests.

Today I simply want to let the evidence speak for itself without any
additional editorial wisdom from me.  The following organizations have
issued statements calling for the commutation of Jonathan Pollard's
sentence:

Last update: June 20th 1995:

A.D.L. Irvine, CA. Regional Board
Avocats Sans Fronti=E8res - (France)
Agudath Israel of America
Aish HaTorah - (Toronto)
American Association of Rabbis
American Jewish Committee National *
American Jewish Congress National *
American Jewish League for Israel
Americans For A Safe Israel (A.F.S.l.)
Americans For Progressive Israel
American Sephardi Federation
American Zionist Movement
Amit Women
Archbishops of San Francisco and Boston
Ascent Institute (Israel)
Association of Children of Holocaust Survivors
Association of Soviet Jewry of Canada
Atlanta Rabbinical Association
Atlantic Jewish Council of Eastern Canada
Baltimore Board of Rabbis *
Baltimore Jewish Council *
Bergen County Board of Rabbis
Beit Halochem (Canada)
Beth Din-Rabbinical Court of Greater Philadelphia
B'nai B'rith Canada
B'nai B'rith International
B'nai Brith Women - Greater Philadelphia Council
B'nai Zion
Board of Deputies of British Jews
Board of Jewish Ministers of Greater Montreal
Board of Rabbis of Greater Philadelphia
Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix
Board of Rabbis of Southern California
Bridgeport Board of Rabbis (CT)
B'rith Sholom
Brooklyn Board of Rabbis
Buffalo Board of Rabbis
Calgary Rabbinical Council - (Alberta Canada)
Canadian Association of Ethiopian Jews
Canadian Council of Reform Zionists (Kadima)
Canadian Friends of the International Christian Embassy - Jerusalem
Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association
Canadian Jewish Congress
Canadian Society for Yad Vashem
Canadian Volunteers For Israel
Canadian Zionist Federation
Cantors Assembly
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Central Council of The Jewish Communities in Sweden
Chabad Lubavitch of Markham Ontario
Chabad Lubavitch of Southern Ontario
Chicago Board of Rabbis
Chicago Rabbinical Council
Chief Rabbi of Denmark - R Bent Melchior
Chief Rabbi of Haifa Israel- R S.Y. Cohen
Chief Rabbi of France - R J. Sitruk
Chief Rabbis of Israel- R A. Shapira R M. Eliahu
Chief Rabbi of South Africa- R Cyril Harris
Child Survivors of The Holocaust- Delaware Valley
Christian Broadcasting Network Inc. - (CBN/ Rev. Pat Robertson)
Cincinnati Board of Rabbis
CIPAC- (Christian Israel Political Action Committee)

City Councils of:
Albany, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Miami Beach, Beverly Hills, W.
Hollywood

Cleveland Board of Rabbis
Columbus Board of Rabbis
Comit=E9 de Coordination des Organisations Juives de Belgique
Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations *
Conseil Repr=E9sentatif des Institutions Juives de France (CRIF)
Coop=E9ration F=E9minine - France
Council of Jewish Organizations of Boro Park
Council of Reform & Liberal Rabbis - U.K.
Dayton Synagogue Forum (OH)
Decalogue Society of Lawyers - Chicago, Ill
Democrats Abroad - (Israel)
East Bay Council of Rabbis (California)
Emunah Women of America
Eternal Life - Hemshesh, Atlanta, Georgia
European Jewish Congress - Mr. Jean Kahn
European Parliament
Evangelical Leadership Campaign to Free Jonathan Pollard
Executive Council of Austrian Jewry
=46ederation of Jewish Men's Clubs Inc.
=46ederation of Jewish Men's Clubs - N Y. Metro Region
=46ederation of Polish Jews of The United States Inc.
=46ellowship of Traditional Orthodox Rabbis
Golden Rule Society Inc.
Greater Orlando Board of Rabbis (Florida)
Hadassah WIZO Organization of Canada
Hadassah - Women's Zionist Organization of America
Herut Likud of Great Britain
Hineni Heritage Center - N.Y.C.
Houston Rabbinical Association - TX
Institute of Woman Today
Interfaith Resources, Inc.
International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists
International Christian Embassy of Israel
Jersey Federation of Temple Youth (J.F.T.Y.)
Jewish Action Initiative (Toronto, Canada)
Jewish Action Alliance
Jewish Civil Right Educational Foundation of Canada
Jewish Community Center on the Palisades (NJ)
Jewish Community Council of Pelham Pkwy, N.Y.
Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council - National (N.J.C.R.A.C.)

Jewish Community Relations Committees of:
Metro West, NJ
The Jewish Federation of Greater Buffalo, N.Y.
The Jewish Federation of Greater Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
The Jewish Federation of Greater Houston (Texas)

Jewish Community Relations Councils of:
(In addition to National resolution)
Atlantic & May Counties, N.J.
Bergen County, N.J.
Broome County, N.Y.
Broward County, Fla.
Boston, Mass.
Central N.J.
Charleston, S.C.
Chicago, Ill
Dayton, Ohio
Detroit Michigan
Dutchess County, - N.Y.
El Paso, Tx.
=46lint, Michigan
Greater Middlesex County, N.J.
Greater Philadelphia, PA. *
Greater San Jose, CA.
Honolulu, HI.
Kingston, N.Y.
Los Angeles, CA.
Mercer County, N.J.
Minneapolis/St. Paul. Minn. (ADL)
New York City
Northeastern New York
Oaklahoma City, OK
Ottawa, Canada
Palo Alto, CA.
Pittsburgh. PA.
Portland, Oregon
Qeens, N.Y.
Rhode Island
Richmond, Va.
Rockland County, N.Y.
Sacramento Region, CA.
Saint Joseph Valley, IN.
San Fransisco, The Peninsula, Marin, and Sonoma Counties
Sarasota Fla.
Scranton, Lackawanna, PA.
Southern Arizona
Southern, N.J.
Springfield, Ill.
St. Louis, MO.
Toledo, OH
Trenton, N.J.
Ulster County, N.Y.
Youngstown Area Jewish Federation, OH

The Jewish Federations of:
Atlanta, GA.
Augusta, C.A.
Berkshires, Mass.
Calgary, Canada
Champaign-Urbana, Ill.
Chicago - Young Leadership Division
Columbus, GA.
Columbus, Ohio
Delaware
Denver & Colorado
Des Moines, Iowa
=46ort Wayne, IN.
Galveston Cnty., TX
Greater Charlotte, No. Carolina
Greater Clifton/Passaic, N.J.
Greater Monmouth County - N.J.
Greater New Haven, CT
Greater Orlando, MA **
Greater Rochester, N.Y.
Greater Rockford, Ill.
Greater Springfield, Mass.
Greater Toronto
Greater Vancouver, Canada
Greater Wilkes Barre, PA.
Greenwich, CT
Halifax, Nova Scotla, Canada
Jacksonville, Fla
Jewish Charities of Lafayette, Ind.
Las Vegas, Nevada
Lee County, Fla
Lincoln, Nebraska
London, Ontario - Canada
Memphis, Tenn.
Michigan City United Jewish Welfare Fund
Montreal, Canada
Northwest, Ind.
Orange County, CA
Palm Beach County, Fla
Peoria, Illinois
Portland Maine *
San Diego, CA.
Sarasota/Manatee, Fla
Shreveport, LA.
Sioux City, Iowa
Sioux Falls, S.Dakota
So. Illinois, S.E. Missouri & W. Kentucky
So. Palm Beach County, Fla
Springfield, Mass
Steubenville, Ohio
Syracuse, N.Y.
The Quad Cities (Ill./Iowa)
The Jewish United Fund of Metropolitan Chicago
Volusia & Flagler Counties, Fla.
Waco & Central TX
Washington DC
Windsor, Ont.
Worcestet, Mass.

Jewish Labor Committee
Jewish Lawyer Guild
Jewish National Fund
Jewish Political Caucus
Jewish Teachers Association- Morim (New York)
Jewish War Veterans of Canada
Jews for Judaism, Canada
Joshua Circle
Judiska Forsamlingen, G=F6teborg - Sweden
Knesset of Israel - 80 Members
Kollel Avreichim -Toronto, Canada
Labor Zionist Alliance of Chicago
Labor Zionist Alliance of New York
Likud Herut of Great Britain
Long Island Board of Rabbis
Long Island Committee for Soviet Jewry
Louis D. Brandeis Society of Zionist Lawyers
Massachusetts Board of Rabbis
Mazal Project - Monsey, N.Y.
Michigan Board of Rabbis
Minnesota Rabbinical Association
Mizrahi Organization of Great Britain
Morris/Sussex County Board of Rabbis (N.J.)
NA'AMAT USA
National Committee for Furtherance of Jewish Education of Nassau County
National Council of Jewish Women of Canada (Toronto Section)
National Council of Young Israel
National Jewish Civil Service Employees Inc. - Chesapeake Regional Chapter
National Jewish Legal Defense Fund Inc.
New Fraternal Jewish Association (Canada)
New Haven Board of Rabbis (CT)
New Jersey State Assembly
New York Association of Reform Rabbis **
New York Board of Rabbis
New York State Assembly - 50 Members
North American Jewish Student Network
North Broward Board of Rabbis (Florida)
North Shore Rabbinical Association - Mass.
North Suburban Synagogue Council (Chicago)
Northern California Board of Rabbis
Notre Dame Law School - Notre Dame, Ind.
Operation Esther- Czech Republic
Oregon Board of Rabbis
Orthodox Rabbinical Council of Cleveland
Orthodox Rabbinical Council of San Francisco
Orthodox Rabbinical Council of South Florida
Rabbinic Fellowship of Greater Pittsburgh
Rabbinical Alliance of America
Rabbinical Assembly
Rabbinical Association of Delaware
Rabbinical Association of Greater Dallas
Rabbinical Association of Greater Kansas City
Rabbinical Association of Greater Miami
Rabbinical Association of Ottawa, Ont., Canada
Rabbinical Association of Vancouver/ Victoria
Rabbinical Board of The Bronx
Rabbinical College of Australia & New Zealand
Rabbinical Council of America
Rabbinical Council of California
Rabbinical Council of Canada, Eastern Region
Rabbinical Council of Far Rockaway & Lawrence, N.Y.
Rabbinical Council of Greater Baltimore
Rabbinical Council of Greater Washington, D.C.
Rabbinical Council of London UK
Rabbinical Council of Greater Manchester, UK
Rabbinical Council of Massachusetts
Rabbinical Council of Ontario
Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
Reform Synagogues of Great Britain
Religious Roundtable/ Ed McAteer- Executive Director
Religous Zionists of America
Rhode Island Board of Rabbis
Rhode Island Federation of Orthodox Jewish Organizations
Rochester Board of Rabbis (New York)
Rockland County Board of Rabbis - (New York)
Rocky Mountain Rabbinical Council
San Diego Rabbinical Association
Second Generation Kol Israel of Cleveland, Ohio
Sephardic Society of Manhattan
Silverthorn Ministerial Association - (Canada)
Simon Wiesenthal Center
Soci=E9t=E9 Civile Professionnelle d'Avocats - (France)
Society For Retired Attorneys Inc., Florida
South Palm Beach Board of Rabbis
St. Louis Rabbinical Association
Suffolk County Bar Association, Mass.
Synagogue Council of America
Tau Epsilon Rho
The Shaarit Haplaytah - Detroit
The Board of Deputies of British Jews
Toronto Board of Rabbis
Toronto Zionist Council
Toronto-Mississigua Regional Multifaith Committee on Spiritual and Religious
Services
Touro College Law Center
Union of American Hebrew Cong. U.A.H.C.
Union County Board of Rabbis (New Jersey)
Union des Etudiants Juifs de Belgique
Union for Traditional Judaism
Union of Council for Soviet Jews
Union of Orthodox Synagogues of South Africa
Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregation of America - (Orthodox Union)
Union of Orthodox Rabbis of The United States and Canada
United Hebrew Congregation of Johannesburg
United Synagogues of America (New York Metropolitan Region)
United Synagogues of Great Britain
Vaad Harabonim of Far Rockaway & Lawrence, N.Y.
Vaad Harabonim of Flatbush, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Vaad Harabonim of Queens
Vaad Harabonim of Toronto
Vaad Hoeir of St. Louis
Vancouver Holocaust Center Society
Washington D.C., Board of Rabbis
Washington State Board of Rabbis
Winnipeg Council of Rabbis (Canada)
Wisconsin Council of Congregation Rabbis
World Jewish Congress - American Section
World Union for Progressive Judaism
World Zionist Congress - 32nd Session
Zionist Organization of America









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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	So Moran demonstrated his bigotry:

And you continue to demonstrate your stupidity.

>	Only to a bigot like you.  

You support the Jewish state, the most bigotted, openly-racist nation on the planet. 

Kurt Stele






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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:

>In article  dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:

>> kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>> 
>> # Ooh goody!  I can't wait.  More debunking of that filthy
>> # piece of lying, Jewish excrement known as the "Holocaust."
>> # I can't wait until 1997.  Fun, fun!
>> 
>> Someone willing to help this person? He seems to be in
>> serious trouble. 

>I think you'd better have a word with his paymaster at ADL HQ.

And who pays your salary, Mr. Baron?  The Shoah Foundation? 

Kurt Stele



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

># Obviously 4 million was such a ridiculous figure even the hoaxsters
># had to retract it. The figure was then re-set to 1.13 (not 1.3).

>You still don't get it, do you.

>The Soviets and the Poles did support the 4 million figure. Why
>would they, then, "dictate" to Hoess a figure of 1.3 million to
>write in his memoirs? Why would they "tell him" to mock and
>ridicule the higher figures?

To make the number seem more credible.  Cre-di-ble.  The word starts with a "C" and ends
with an "E".  Are you too stupid to understand that despite several repetitions?
Obviously.  But anyone who peddles such patently idiotic tales such as hearing maniacal
laughter of Nazis over the sound of machine guns evidently isn't too bright.  Then again
it doesn't take too many brain cells to believe the idiotic and impossible, and is a
unmistakable sign of a lack thereof.  

Kurt Stele





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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>Since you make the claim the onus is upon you. 

Oh bullshit lawyer-boy.  The "onus" is on who is asserting that an event is true, not
untrue.  There is no physical evidence of the "holocaust".  You haven't moved your burden
one bit.  You haven't PROVED the "holocaust" to begin with.  

>What in particular about the
>eyewitness testimonies and the physicial evidence do you find 'absurd',
>that lead you to the erroneous conclusion that more than 6 million jews,
>gypsies, political prisoners, homosexuals, and others were not killed ?

Lack of physical evidence for one.  

Kurt Stele




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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	Face it, sonny boy, you just can't stand the truth.

Face it "sonny boy"  your Holocaust is lying piece of Jewish filth, which is why Jews must
cowardly censor the counter-evidence to it.

Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>> >>>>
>> Are you saying that Germans who suffered as
>> much or worse than some Jews are not deserving
>> of equal compassion?

>I though my meaning was was quite Herr Schwarzesel:

>That you, when confronted with the graphic evidence of Nazi murder by
>brutality, privation, starvation, and disease at Bergen-Belsen, have tried
>to white-wash said Nazi crimes, vindicate those Nazis in charge, and
>implicity and/or explicity blame the British for the deaths of the victims
>of Nazi persecution there. 

Blackmore proved that Kramer did the best he could.  And you have yet to disprove this
assertion, van Schmaltzstine.  

>To put it more bluntly, Herr Schwarzesel: 

>You are a lying scumbag Nazi apologist.

And you are another lying, lowlife Nizkorite who can't produce anything to prove a shitty
little hoax.  

Kurt Stele





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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <53rvfm$18a@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>[snip]

>> After researching the article, it mentions 4 million people...I
>> believe you will agree that Jews are people, and that the
>> overwhelming majority of alleged fatalities at Auschwitz were
>> Jewish?  

>Irrespective of this fact, you have LIED again, this time about the
>Auschwitz Museum. Add this to your lies about the Simon Wisenthal Center,
>your lies about the motives of the Discovery Channel, and your credibility,
>which was not great to begin with, is now beyond non-existent.

Nice try.  You haven't disproved blackmore on anything, lawyer-boy.  At best, it is still
an open question as to whether the Simon Wiesalthal Center knowingly lied or not.  They
probably did since they were still harping the same lies in 1989 that was revised in 1980.
Of course they knew about it.  Any asshole with half a brain can see this.  You are indeed
an asshole, but the brain requirement is still not met.

>You've yet to establish:

>(1) That there is some sort of conspiracy, Joosh (tm) or otherwise, that
>intends to propagate an incorrect figure.
>(2) That this figure negates thet FACT that more than six million people
>were killed, and the FACT that the Holocaust happened.

Look at this fool.  He still holds fast to the "Six Million" figure.  

Kurt Stele

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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) writes:

># But let us turn the question around. Would you be willing
># to accept anti-German crimes if Gentiles would accept
># Nazi atrocities?

>What the hell is this? "I'll give you 200,000 more in
>Auschwitz if you'll give me 150,000 more in Dresden"?

This is same Danny Keren who tried to set up the deal before.  He threatened that he
wouldn't believe in Dresden (as if anyone cared) if revisionists didn't relent on their
requirement for physical evidence.  All the fool did was just drive the point home with
painful clarity that there exists -no- physical evidence for that shoddy, ramshackle,
patently-ridiculous, and unsubstantiated Jewish $$$$ hoax known as the "Holocaust."  

Keren just falls on his ass and keeps going.  But it's kind of fun to watch.

Kurt Stele





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CSCAO@lusta.latrobe.edu.au (Oz,aydin) wrote:


>	the 'adl' is a terrorist organization,


>        here in australia we have the 'ethnic rights committie'
>	who are a bunch of high profile jews who claim to represent
>	the whole ethnic community of australia.
>        yet no ethnic leader reconises (sp?) their leadership.
>	
>	these organizations are in fact a front for zionists who
>	spread their propaganda to the peoples of the countries 
>	they are in.

>--
>-=-J4Z-=-

Yes, the Jewish problem is bad in all White nations, especially bad in England where they
just outlawed Holocaust denial.  Orwell's Thoughtcrime lives on.  Noone can claim Nazis
ever imprisoned for denying a fact.   Of course, these people are worse than any Nazis.
They wrote the book on the "Nazis" of popular fiction, merely imputing to the Nazis their
own tactics and attitudes.  But take heart, good man.  The good fight is to be fought
again.  

Kurt Stele





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Jeffrey  wrote:

>Start Quote:


>LABOUR PLEDGE TO LEGISLATE AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL

>A Labour government will act to make Holocaust denial a criminal 
>offence, Opposition leaders pledged this week.

>The announcement, made at the party's Blackpool conference, was the 
>culmination of a lengthy campaign by Jewish groups including the Board

>of Deputies, the Holocaust Education Trust and Poale Zion.

>Shadow Home Secretary Jack Straw confirmed that a motion committing a 
>Labour government to such a law - due to be discussed yesterday - had 
>the backing of the entire leadership.

>This was underlined by Shadow Foreign Secretary Robin cook, who told a

>Labour Friends of Israel fringe meeting: "For two years, there has 
>been a debate over whether to make it a crime to deny the Holocaust. 
>Now Jack Straw has made it clear that we will.

>"The way to make sure it [a Holocaust] never happens again is to make 
>sure we never forget it."

>Mr. Straw described the prospective legislation as a "much-needed 
>measure" in a conference discussion with Ivan Lewis, the Labour 
>candidate for Bury South. 

>Labour's intended law would reverse the Tory government's policy. Home

>Secretary Michael Howard has repeatedly turned down calls to introduce

>such legislation, arguing it would restrict freedom of speech and 
>could increase racial tension.

>The Blackpool conference continued the party's courting of the Jewish 
>community. Tony Blair led almost the entire Shadow Cabinet at LFI's 
>fringe meeting, which drew more than 500 people.

>In his address, Mr Blair said the Jewish community's principles were 
>"precisely those things for which Labour stands today... The renewal 
>of our ties with the communties is one of the best things that has 
>happened to us."
>"

>(Source: (UK) Jewish Chronicle, No. 6650, October 4, 1996).

>End Quote:

Yep.  Now England has Jewish thoughtcrime laws.  Chalk yet -another- one up for the Jewish
Big Brother.  

The Jews have criminalized Holocaust denial in a few places now.  I was actually wondering
when they were going to finally make it a thoughtcrime to doubt the Holocaust in England,
given that Jewish power in England is actually more uncontested there than anywhere else.
The Jews want to do the same here, and would do it in a heartbeat if they could, of
course, but first they have to do a small matter of some precedent-settting.  You know,
changing First Amendment constructs and premises and things like that.  But it really
shouldn't be a difficult task.  

Kurt Stele



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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <53vhob$aih@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>> The day I fear your "evidence" is the day I will stop posting.

>I'll tell you why: It contradicts your scumbag Nazi apologia.

>Yes, you _do_ indeed fear such evidence. You, being a lying scumbag Nazi
>apologist, always have and always will.

You are a lying Nizkor sack-of-shit and your "Holocaust" doesn't add up to anything but a
series of chessy, tacky, corn-ball, self-contradictory, Jewish self-indulgent persecution
fantasies. And you've signed your name to that pablum.  You pathetic fool.

Kurt Stele





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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>From:  The Belsen Trial, pg. 68.

>Comment:  So, here our witness states that after
>two days, (The caps were mine-rb)  she was sent
>to the gas chambers with others to retrieve blankets
>from the victims.  I wonder how she was told-did 
>someone say, "Go to the gas chamber and get
>the blankets the murdered victims left behind?"
>Coincidentally, she happens to "meet" a man
>who came from her own town.  he is in the gas
>chamber doing heaven knows what.. While
>there she claims to have seen as SS man who was
>a member of the "Red Cross"-what he was doing
>and why he happened to be there, she doesn't state,
>nor does she state how she knew he was from the
>Red Cross.  Then she tells us how she was TOLD
>that this was a gas chamber and was led into a massive shower
>room, which she says anyone would notice that there
>were no drains.....but if SHE saw it, then so would 
>anyone else entering into that room....Then she refers
>to the crematorium and says that she did not see
>the "stove", nor did she see the people being gassed or
>burned, and this was in the summer of 1944, when thousands
>of victims allegedly had to be burned in open pits.....then,
>those two pipes which she said contained the gas.......Its
>a good thing we have the original blueprints for this area....

Another ridiculous Holocaust "eyewitness account" bites the dust.  I guess that's what
happens when the only thing to prop a hoax is eyewitness testimony.  

Sure has been an expensive hoax, though.

Kurt Stele



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In an interview with a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921, the
great industrialist and patriot Henry Ford stated as follows:

"It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct
relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went
out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very
prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went
into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled
the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic
materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so
long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they
believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it
as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it
could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn
the ship back."




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 wrote:

>Actually, PBS recently carried a documentary on the JEWS of Holland. It
>detailed how the Jews from Spain, fleeeing the Spanish Inquisition, set up
>the slavery business, based in Holland, as a way to make quick fortunes.

>It detailed how the Dutch Jews arranged to ship the slaves from Africa to
>all over North America. It even praised them for finding better ways to
>ship more slaves with less losses.

Another dirty little secret Jews don't want you to know is that they dominated slave trade
in the early European colonies.  Wouldn't that be funny if the Blacks found out about
that?  Heh heh.  Actually, a good bit of them do know it in the Nation of Islam.  But my
Jews have kept that little secret under wraps, no?   

EVERYTHING will be brought in the light of day, in due time.  Surely, the Jews didn't
think us stupid goyim would simply put up with their Big Lies forever, and just lay down
without a fight?  My, we are a little contemptuous of goyim credulity, and will, aren't
we. . . . 

Kurt Stele



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 wrote:


>This story reports in detail, regarding registered charities in Canada
>that funnel money to settlers in ISRAELI-OCCUPIED PALESTINE. 

>Revenue Canada earlier this year revoked the charitable registration of
>THE TORONTO ZIONIST COUNCIL after it confirmed that money was sent to
>Jewish settlements in occupied Palestine.

>Finally, the Canadian Tax Department is acting in accord with the United
>Nations and Canadian Government accord, regarding the Jewish settlements
>in the occupied West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights.

>These occupations of Palestine by the Israeli Jews was ruled " to be
>contrary to international law and unhelpful to the peace process",
>according to published reports and Revenue Canada correspondence.

>This is another example of abuse of Canadian Tax laws, just like the
>BRONFMAN situation, where more than 2.2 BILLION dollars was illegally
>moved out of Quebec, and Canada, without paying their taxes!!!

So Jews were lying about their "Charity" activities, funneling the money to Israel,
cheating the taxman.  Yawn.  So tell me something new, eh?  Even their actual charitable
foundations for the "Holocaust" are of course based on a Lie.  And these charities do not
include the "involuntary charity" of forcing the goyim to pay more $$$$ for Jewish
interests like "Holocaust" and billions more for Yidsrael, without asking the lowly goyim
whether or not they wish to do so.  Isn't that the meaning of a Jewish democracy?  We only
"vote" for those we are allowed to vote on, to avoid the danger of us casting the  "wrong"
vote.   

Kurt Stele



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 "We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to
preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European
blood."

 -- Col. Charles A. Lindbergh




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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <541e28$hqp@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> You're a poser who can't prove shit to anyone.

>Such a lame, wanker-jerking, Nazi scumbag is more like it! ROTFL! 

You're another lying sleazeball Nizkorite who eats Jewish shit for breakfast 

>On pages 109-111.

>An interesting dialogue, to say the least, eh, Herr Wankermeister? 

>Eichmann gives a "apocolyptic speech" to his officers at the end of the
>war, a speech where he gives an inexact figure regarding the number of
>Jews killed. Eichmann then says no lists of Jews killed was kept, No
>reports on how many were murdered. Yet, when caught in his lies over this,
>admits that _comprehensive_ lists _were_ made, but that _he_ never had
>such lists. 

And were any lists ever found?  

Didn't think so...

>So, by Eichmann own admission he gave an "apocolyptic speech" to his
>officers at the end of the war where he stated a figure that was "a kind
>of cloud" in his  "mind's eye." By Eichmann own admission, there _were_
>comprehensive lists regarding the number of Jews killed- but _he_ never
>had them. 

The only "cloud" is in your head.  This doesn't prove a thing.  When are you going to get
some genuine, old-fashioned -physical- evidence for your Tale other than "apocalyptic"
speculating?   You sound like a fundamentalist reading the book of Revelations for
evidence of the Holocaust.   Fucking moron  

>And how does this fit in with what Ho"ss wrote? Ho"ss wrote that it was
>Eichmann that gave him the 2.5 million figure. Yet Eichmann admits giving
>a "cloudy" figure to his officers. Could it not be that Ho"ss too recieved
>a "cloudy" figure from Eichmann? Furthermore, Ho"ss also wrote that his
>revised figure of 1.13 million killed came from his recollection of the
>individual major special actions which were given to him by Eichmann or
>his _deputies_.  Eichmann _confirms_ that "comprehensive lists" of Jews
>killed were kept but the _he_ didn't have them. Notice that Eichmann
>_didn't_ say that his _deputies_ (his officers) didn't have them. Just
>that _he_ didn't have them. Could it not be that Eichmann's deputies had
>access to the "comprehensive lists" of Jews killed in the individual major
>actions Ho"ss summarized? That _they_ told Ho"ss? 

Hoess forgot the overall number earlier but then suddenly "remembered" the very numbers of
individuals actions to create 1.13?  How could he have forgotten the figures, and then
have remembered them later, and specifically to create a precise 1.135 million?  That is
like forgetting the score to a baseball game and then later being able to recall the score
in each inning.     Preposterous.

And this is the same "eyewitness" who said the Sonderkommandos worked "immediately" to
remove corpses from the "gas chambers" (no airing out?) and were smoking and eating during
the removal of bodies?  And these claims are the very -foundation- of the Holocaust Lie.


Get a real hoax.

Kurt Stele



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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Oct 1996 02:38:53 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:


>>And Jews think it ought to be safe to kill thousands of Arabs and force hundreds of
>>thousands out of their lands so Arabs can steal them, and to bulldoze Arab homes, and to

>The Israelis want to force Arabs from their homes so other Arabs can steal
>them? 

>Untermench, I _knew_ you had a warped sence of history and current events
>but this one is beyond me.

You skipped my erratus posted afterwards.  Or do you know how to operate a newsreader?

Dumbass.

Kurt Stele



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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>Kurtzi, your ignorance is astounding. Could you possibly be as stupid as
>the Giwer-Troll ? Oh wait, you're hi - never mind. It is a basic precept
>that the person who makes an assertion bears the burden of proving that
>assertion. That burden does not (in most cases) shift to the opposite
>party, irrespective of the claim being made. For example, I assert that
>your parents were brother and sister.  In that case the onus would be on me
>to prove the fact. The standard of proof would normally be, in non criminal
>matters, on a balance of the probabilities. That is, I would be required to
>prove, that given a preponderance of the evidence, it is the case that on a
>balance of the probabilities that your parents were brother and sister.

Look ASSHOLE.  It's very simple.  The "Holocaust" lobby is pulling billions out of the ass
of the goyim for Holocaust crap of every kind.  If you're going to extract billions of
dollars from taxpayers and imprison people for doubting your schmaltzy unsubstantiated,
cheeseball tale, then certainly the burden is on YOU to prove it.     DUH.  

>In this case, you are asserting that there is a Joosh (tm) conspiracy to
>extort billions of dollars from governments across the globe, and that in
>support of that aim, this Joosh (tm) collective is using the hoax of the
>Holocaust as a guilt mechanism. Since it is your assertions, it is your
>burden to prove that:

I'm not extracting BILLIONS of dollars for my claims so I don't have to prove shit 

>>There is no physical evidence of the "holocaust".  You haven't moved your
>burden
>> one bit.  You haven't PROVED the "holocaust" to begin with.  

>(1) Physical evidence survives, and abounds.

Your biggest lie yet lawyer-boy.

Kurt Stele

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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:


>>  >	That's a lie and you know it.  Your anti-Semitism has been proved time 
>>  >and time again by your bigotry and your lies.

>>  	What's a "lie"?
>  
>>  (This one?) > "Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism".

>	In your case: yes.    You are a a blatent anti-Semite who covers his 
>bigotry by claiming to be "anti-Zionist."  Sorry Moran your numerous lies about 
>"the Jews" (that is the term *you* habitually use) prove otherwise.

You are only confirming his point fool.  He posts truths about the  "Holocaust" [tm] and
Jews and you call him anti-semite for that reason.

Keep calling him that.  Keep confirming his point.

Kurt Stele






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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <53s0jf$18a@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com14 Oct 1996
>00:13:35 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>:>>  :>
>:>>  :>"rblackmore" agrees that Kramer is a reliable witness. He
>:>>  :>must agree, then, that what Kramer said about the murders
>:>>  :>in the Natzweiler and Birkenau gas chamebrs is also true.
>:>>  
>:>>  Hehehe.
>:>>  
>:>>  I will be watching for the answer to this one.
>:>>  

>:>It is posted, but I think you will be disappointed with
>:>what Danny thought was a clever stratagem.

>I am only disappointed that I momentarily thought you were serious about civil
>and inquiring debate.  Your non-answer to Dr. Keren did not disappoint me at
>all--it is what I expected.

I think you made the mistake of thinking -Keren- was interesting in civil and inquiring
debate.

Kurt Stele





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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>Chuck Ferree wrote:

>A typical rbl non-response, and the turkey must believe that people 
>buy his stupidity.
>Chuck

Chuck, shouldn't you be looking for your keys or something?

Kurt Stele




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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>rblackmore@juno.com writes:

># Hoess was a fabricator and a liar just like many of
># your survivors.

>In other words, the "Soviets and Poles told Hoess what to
>write in his memoirs" is out, and "Hoess was a fabricator and
>a liar" is in.

>Why would Hoess write, out of his own free will, all these
>"lies"? Only "rblackmore" knows. Same question for each
>and every SS-men who was in the camps.

Are you aware of the fact that the "translation" of Hoess' memoirs was made from sheets of
many pencil-written pages (any specific part could be easy to forge, erase, augment) and
it inexplicably took ten years for this translation to appear?  

On p. 63 Hoess ADMITS he was "assigned" to write the diaries.  

Obviously, his diary could be partially or entirely forged, partially or entirely coerced.


Your quoted portions from Hoess do not contradict the Holocaust so they obviously were
permitted.

But you knew that.

Kurt Stele



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>Well, now, in what year did Kaufman write his extermination
>diatribe against the German people?  In case you don't know,
>I will lsupply the information.  Before Streicher ever wrote the
>inciting words quoted above, a Jewish author in America,
>Theodore N. Kaufman, wrote a hateful book entitled "Germany
>Must Perish" in 1941!  Here is a sample opf what he wrote:

>"There is, in fine, nno other solution except one:  That
>Germany must perish from this earth!  And fortunately,
>as we shall now come to see, that is no longer impossible
>of accomplishment.  (1941 edition)  In the preface of the
>book, the following was written:

>"This dynamic volume outlines a comprehensive plan
>for the extinction of the German nation and the total
>eradication from the earth, of all her people."

>Hmmm, sounds like a "final solution" for the "German
>Problem", doesn't it?
>Streicher, who never had any love for the Jews in
>any case, had read this book, as it was widely
>distributed, and the above was his reply.  Now, what
>is good for the goose is also good for the gander, as
>they say.
>rb 

It's interesting that the Jew Kaufmann calls for the complete extermination of the German
people, and in Old Testament style:  every man, woman, and child.  Yet hardly anyone knows
about books such as Kauffman's.   

Furthermore, Kauffman is never called a "hater" by his fellow Jews, and neither did his
fellows Jews at the time denounce him, or even criticize him for "anti-Germanism". (cf.
"anti-semitism").  

Is it any wonder why the Jews falsely imputed "extermination" to their Nazi captives?
They only projected onto the Germans what THE JEWS wanted to do to the Germans.

Kurt Stele



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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBE) wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:03:38 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:

>>And, indeed, "gaskammer" (gas chamber) and "gasraum" (gas room)
>>are mentioned in the construction documents for Krema V in
>>Birkenau and for the Natzweiler gas chamber.

>	But NEVER for A-B while a delousing chamber for LK I is prominent.  

>	And of course the aerial photos of Krema V in Birkenau show no either LK
>nor undressing room and the close building make them impossible.

>	Other than that, nice fable of good against evil.  

Want to try to explain why the vents in LKI were configured for a bomb shelter but not for
a gas chamber?   First let me get a nice space on the floor to roll around when I begin to
laugh.  

Kurt Stele



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dkeren-@world.std.com (Danial Keren) wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:24:14 GMT, dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:

>>rblackmore@juno.com writes:
>> 
>>Poor old "rblackmore" cannot say anything intelligent about the
>>clear and obvious fact that Hoess was *not* told by the Poles
>>and Soviets what to write in his memoirs. In desperation, he
>>whines:
>> 
>># Now, where is the proof that anyone
>># was gassed at Auschwitz?  Are you relying on Hoess?
>> 
>>The proof is in the documents, witnesses, and forensic evidence.
>>Hoess is one witness. 

>	No forensic evidence was presented, but I know that.  

Look, Danny.   I give up my posting against the Holocaust beginning right now.   Because
all I wanted was for you to just admit the truth about something for once.  

Cheers Danny and see you on 'net!

Kurt Stele



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"Annie Alpert, OFB"  wrote:

>My personal theory is that these kind of guys tend to have
>extraordinarily small penises (or think they do) which cripples their
>emotional growth.  Because they're afraid to meet live women, (because
>they're afraid their little weenies will be laughed at) they choose to
>grow big cyber-penises.  Kind of sad, really.

Sorry.  Your theory doesn't apply in my case.  You'll have to come up with something else.


And besides, Freudian "small penis" theories are for Jews, not goyim, as the distinguished
Psychologist and IQ studies pioneer Dr. Han Eysenck reveals in his _Fall of the Freudian
Empire_ .  (See also Jung's commentaries on the matter.)   

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>I agree.  A great, non-anti-Semitic, anti-totalitarian piece of
>literature.

Actually, it is indirectly very anti-Semitic.  Jews continue to use Orwellian tactics in
suppressing those who doubt their Hoax, imprisoning them, along with using "educational
conditioning" methods to instill "Holocaust" guilt.  Both are straight out of 1984.  Also,
the novel was written after Orwell's disillusionment with communism, and the the novel is
based on the tactics of the early Communist regime -- an operation founded, and dominated
during the 1930's by JEWS.  

Kurt Stele



>=================================================================

>Shining a flashlight on the ugly underside of the 'net: http://www.webmagazine.com/Features/Hate/splash.html

>What's new with Frente?  http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html

>The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous: http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608

>"Panu derech Hashem"
>--Yeshayahu 40:3





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Dene Bebbington  wrote:


>Hmmmm, yes, it says that I'm not too sure just how we should deal with
>these dangerous cretins.

If you consider imprisoning people for merely DOUBTING an alleged event, which is
something Nazis never did, then obviously you are totalitarian yourself, far morally
inferior to Nazis, far more dangerous, a hypocrite and a despicable scoundrel, as you
deceitfully hide your despotic, Orwellian supression behind "democratic" pretensions. 

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billiejeff@WHITE.com (Billie Jeff Clinton) wrote:

>On 14 Oct 1996 00:46:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>>  dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>  
>>>  YFE claims Giwer is a criminal.  He omits that Giwer's e-mail was sent in reply to 
>>YFE's
>>>  unsolicited e-mail.  Omission is lying.  

>>	That is a lie, Matty poo,  I requested that you stop sending me e-mail.  
>>The response was "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  It was followed by another 
>>bit of your anti-Semitic venom.  That's one of the reasons why Netcom suspended 
>>you.

>>	You criminally harassed me and my family, Matty poo.  You a criminal.

>	Another professional victim.  We all know you must be a victim because you
>pretend to be a Yid.  You are impressive in pretending to be a cocksnipper
>but it is not good for your race to do so.

I resent your anti-semitism, Mr. Clinton.    I am going to resign from this newsgroup
starting NOW.

Kurt Stele




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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net writes:
>>Yep.  Now England has Jewish thoughtcrime laws.  Chalk yet -another- one
>>up for the Jewish Big Brother.  

>Um... Kurtzi? Jeffy was quoting an article mentioning a campaign promise.
>Not a law; not even a bill. Since we have no text to look at, how do you
>know the law that doesn't exist punishes "thoughtcrimes"?

The Jewish Secretary Robin Cook just said England is going to criminalize Holocaust
denial.    

Only cretins like yourself could rationalize that the outlawing of Holocaust denial
-isn't- thoughtcrime law.    

Nobody's fooled Rich.

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chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) wrote:

>Here's part of an article that appeared in the October 15, 1996
>edition of the _Washington_Post_, Page B-3.

>   "Prince George's County police arrested two 13-year-olds from
>    Riverdale yesterday on charges that they spray-painted
>    swastikas and other markings on a Hyattsville elementary
>    school during the weekend.

>    [...]

>   "The two juveniles, one black and the other white, were charged
>    with violating the state's hate crime statute as well as 
>    destruction of property. They were to be released into the
>    custody of their parents."

Actually, I'm surprised these incidents weren't done by Jewish or non-White agent
provocateurs, although a 13-year old and a multiracial team of juveniles can hardly be
considered "Nazi agents," except according to the most Rich Gravian definitions.  I think
you jumped the gun a little too quickly on your Pavlovian eagerness to whip up anti-Nazi
fear.  The Jew-created connotations now attached to the swastika is why it is now used
everywhere in Hollywood and on book covers for attention purposes.  It is also easily
seized by youth for a number of purposes having nothing to do with Germany's or  Europe's
20th century struggle to emancipate itself from the always destructive and subversive
presence of Jews.  

You should read _Crying Wolf:   Hate Crime Hoaxes in America_.  More times than not,
"swastika incidents" are done by Jews or non-Whites to create anti-White sentiment.  Of
course, people like Charles Power have been conditioned to automatically presume,  in
knee-jerk fashion, that "NAZIS DID IT!" and find in it evidence of an imminent Nazi
takeover.  Just like the recent Black Church burnings were called the work of "White
Supremacists" when nearly all of them were found to be the work of Blacks trying to
collect insurance money.

Kurt Stele



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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net quoted Henry Ford:

>> On the peace ship were two very
>> prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
>> telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
>> world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
>> the Jew could end the war.

>Sounds like two Jewish folks had discovered the concept of trolling,
>only seventy years before our friend Matt Giwer did.

The problem is, however, that as soon as Henry Ford returned home he immediately verified
everything the Jews told him, and then dedicated the rest of his life to publicizing the
truths about Jewish international and domestic power.  He enlisted crack journalists from
the Detroit Free Press for this purpose.  Their findings are located, among other places,
in the multi-volume _The International Jew_.  (There also is an abridged version
available)  The work lists everything about Jewish involvement in WWI:   names, dates,
places, documents, admissions -- it's all there.  

As it turned out, as Henry Ford's investigator's revealed, those Jews WEREN'T trollling.
The Jew Ben Friedman also revealed that those Jews weren't trolling about their
controlling of the causes and progression of WWI.  

Kurt Stele




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billiejeff@WHITE.com (Billie Jeff Clinton) wrote:

>On 14 Oct 1996 00:46:27 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>>  dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>  
>>>  YFE claims Giwer is a criminal.  He omits that Giwer's e-mail was sent in reply to 
>>YFE's
>>>  unsolicited e-mail.  Omission is lying.  

>>	That is a lie, Matty poo,  I requested that you stop sending me e-mail.  
>>The response was "I am tired of your shit.  Fuck off."  It was followed by another 
>>bit of your anti-Semitic venom.  That's one of the reasons why Netcom suspended 
>>you.

>>	You criminally harassed me and my family, Matty poo.  You a criminal.

>	Another professional victim.  We all know you must be a victim because you
>pretend to be a Yid.  You are impressive in pretending to be a cocksnipper
>but it is not good for your race to do so.

I resent your anti-semitism, Mr. Clinton.    I am going to resign from this newsgroup
starting NOW.

Kurt Stele




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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net writes:
>>Yep.  Now England has Jewish thoughtcrime laws.  Chalk yet -another- one
>>up for the Jewish Big Brother.  

>Um... Kurtzi? Jeffy was quoting an article mentioning a campaign promise.
>Not a law; not even a bill. Since we have no text to look at, how do you
>know the law that doesn't exist punishes "thoughtcrimes"?

The Jewish Secretary Robin Cook just said England is going to criminalize Holocaust
denial.    

Only cretins like yourself could rationalize that the outlawing of Holocaust denial
-isn't- thoughtcrime law.    

Nobody's fooled Rich.

Kurt Stele



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chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) wrote:

>Here's part of an article that appeared in the October 15, 1996
>edition of the _Washington_Post_, Page B-3.

>   "Prince George's County police arrested two 13-year-olds from
>    Riverdale yesterday on charges that they spray-painted
>    swastikas and other markings on a Hyattsville elementary
>    school during the weekend.

>    [...]

>   "The two juveniles, one black and the other white, were charged
>    with violating the state's hate crime statute as well as 
>    destruction of property. They were to be released into the
>    custody of their parents."

Actually, I'm surprised these incidents weren't done by Jewish or non-White agent
provocateurs, although a 13-year old and a multiracial team of juveniles can hardly be
considered "Nazi agents," except according to the most Rich Gravian definitions.  I think
you jumped the gun a little too quickly on your Pavlovian eagerness to whip up anti-Nazi
fear.  The Jew-created connotations now attached to the swastika is why it is now used
everywhere in Hollywood and on book covers for attention purposes.  It is also easily
seized by youth for a number of purposes having nothing to do with Germany's or  Europe's
20th century struggle to emancipate itself from the always destructive and subversive
presence of Jews.  

You should read _Crying Wolf:   Hate Crime Hoaxes in America_.  More times than not,
"swastika incidents" are done by Jews or non-Whites to create anti-White sentiment.  Of
course, people like Charles Power have been conditioned to automatically presume,  in
knee-jerk fashion, that "NAZIS DID IT!" and find in it evidence of an imminent Nazi
takeover.  Just like the recent Black Church burnings were called the work of "White
Supremacists" when nearly all of them were found to be the work of Blacks trying to
collect insurance money.

Kurt Stele



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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net quoted Henry Ford:

>> On the peace ship were two very
>> prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
>> telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
>> world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
>> the Jew could end the war.

>Sounds like two Jewish folks had discovered the concept of trolling,
>only seventy years before our friend Matt Giwer did.

The problem is, however, that as soon as Henry Ford returned home he immediately verified
everything the Jews told him, and then dedicated the rest of his life to publicizing the
truths about Jewish international and domestic power.  He enlisted crack journalists from
the Detroit Free Press for this purpose.  Their findings are located, among other places,
in the multi-volume _The International Jew_.  (There also is an abridged version
available)  The work lists everything about Jewish involvement in WWI:   names, dates,
places, documents, admissions -- it's all there.  

As it turned out, as Henry Ford's investigator's revealed, those Jews WEREN'T trollling.
The Jew Ben Friedman also revealed that those Jews weren't trolling about their
controlling of the causes and progression of WWI.  

Kurt Stele




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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>[To mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)]

># You are a lying Nizkor sack-of-shit

>kurtzi is upset. After all, he did already express his support
>for the mass murder of Jews (see below). The fact that he was
>born too late, and missed all the fun, is driving him crazy.

Actually I was merely stating an objective fact.

Cherio,

Kurt Stele

># The Holocaust is a funny thing..
># When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
># When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
># Kurt Stele





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_Hungary Establishes Compensation Foundation_ 

The parliament of Hungary voted today (10/16/96) to set up a foundation to
compensate the country's "holocaust survivors."  The foundation will be set
up with assets including property, antiques, cash and compensation coupons
worth $45 million.  The compensation coupons can be exchanged for life
annuity policies.  The foundation will be comprised of members of the
Jewish community, government and leading public figures.  Hungary's
government agreed to form the foundation this past July after talking with
the World Jewish Congress, but it needed approval from parliament.

-------------------------------

Jews SURE are an "International" people.  They find a way to propagate lies in several
different languages, and claim citizenship in several different countries.  And in ALL of
them Jews enforce the same kinds of parasitism on the host population.  

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Kurt Stele



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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>>The only thing Rich Graves contributes to alt.revisionism is moral
>>aspersion cast upon revisionists like David Irving, in the obvious
>>attempt to discredit his work by personal smear.

>You're projecting again, Kurtzi.

>The very endpapers of the Focal Point edition of Goebbels identify the IHR
>as the US distributor of the book. Since this contradicts a central claim
>of Mr. Irving's that his book is not available in the US because of Jewish
>censorship, I believe I am justified in calling his claims lies.

Number One:  who is to say he currently has a PUBLISHER for the book?  Are you sure he
has?  Why are you going around trying to smear Irving instead of contacting him DIRECTLY
on these claims yourself?   He can be reached by e-mail, or indirectly thereby.  I'm sure
he'd be glad to clear up any misconceptions you have and would rather do so than to have
another smear-artist running about.  I'm sure if you would do your investigative work
thoroughly instead of always relying on conjecture you yourself would have a bit more
credibility.  Your methods aren't thorough, you haven't checked with Irving on MOST if not
all of your smears against him.  He has denied some of them outright, and yet you refuse
to cross-reference a PRIMARY source:  Irving himself!  You are hardly one to talk for
questionable research methodology.

>The foreword to Goebbels accurately identifies the western researcher who
>first used the Goebbels diaries in Russia, directly contradicting his
>claim that he was the first and only to use them. Therefor, I believe I am
>justified in calling his claims lies.

Maybe Irving didn't KNOW this at the time.  Where did he say he was the First?  In what
CONTEXT did he speak this?  At most you have the possibility for a lie, but what is more
likely, a mere error.  And yet you are asserting that David Irving LIED.   Quite a leap,
and very indicative that you refuse to give any benefit of the doubt.   It appears once
again you are highly biased against Irving to begin with, which makes your efforts to
castigate him that much more suspect.

>I have read the Time review of Kaufman and the Gordon Craig review of
>Goebbels. I do not see how any fair reader could interpret them the way
>Irving does. Mr. Irving has established a record, over the decades, of
>being grossly unfair and dishonest in his use and representation of
>sources. I posted an article from the Journal of Modern History that
>described some early misrepresentations; Nizkor has a review of Hitler's
>War by a real accredited historian (Mr. Irving, on the other hand, has no
>college degree). Therefore, I believe I am justified in calling his claims
>lies.

Again, he has spoken for his side of the case.  One case was settled where he clearly was
in the right and settled the case for monetary reasons:  not an admission of guilt.
Another, he lost by the narrowest margin on appeal, and it could have gone either way.
Based on what I've read, my own assessment is the appeal court got it wrong.   And you are
parlaying these events stripped of their context for Rich Graves' personal crusade to
smear David Irving.

>The biographical note in the beginning of the Focal Point edition of
>Gobbels presents a picture of Mr. Irving's academic background that is at
>best highly misleading. As a support for Mr. Irving's contention that he
>is a real historian, I would call this part and parcel of a pattern of
>lies. 

Highly misleading?  And you want to call Irving a liar again.  It probably said he
attended college.  He did attend college.  That is not false.  It seems you are extremely
eager to call Irving a liar at every possible chance.

>>Yet it is interesting that Rich Graves shows up at the David Irving
>>meeting posing as a "reporter."  I think we know who the liar is here.

>Yes. Neo-Nazi activist "AryanGar." I maintain that I did not misidentify
>myself. If "AryanGar" wishes to substantiate her fantasy, then she should
>release the uncut tape. At the very least, she could put a .wav file of
>the alleged lie online. If and when she fails to do so, what will be your
>response, Kurtzi?

Once again, all that creates is a conflict between stories.  I could just easily make the
equally valid alternate assumption that "AryanGar" is telling the truth and YOU are lying.
Your established and overt bias against Irving does not hold well in your favor, however.

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"Annie Alpert, OFB"  wrote:


>Geez, Kaufmann was just responding in anger to a book that called for
>killing Jews (Germnay Must Live, Roth).  While The Jews didn't have a
>chance to act out any of Kaufmann's projections, Germany actually
>carried out a good deal of Mr. Roths.  

First of all, are you SURE you aren't confused with yet another confessional anti-goyim
book called "Jews Must Live" by a Samuel Roth?  (Otherwise just a coincidence and
nevermind).

Secondly, I'm going to post that it was the intent by the Jews of POWER to destroy
Germany, that sentiments expressed by several Jews such as Kaufmann weren't idle
diatribes.

Kurt Stele
 





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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <543kv7$f0l@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>[snip]

>> On p. 63 Hoess ADMITS he was "assigned" to write the diaries.  

>Herr Wankermeister, on page 63 of what book? In _KL Auschwitz_? Sorry, I
>don't find any mention of this. Or was it in _Death Dealer_? Sorry, but I
>don't find mention of this either. 

Kommandant in Auschwitz:  Autobiographical Notes by Rudolf Ho'ss, with an introduction and
commentary by Dr. Martin Broszat.   p. 63.

Check that one out, Nizkor pederast.  

Kurt Stele





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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:

>Whereupon Jamie McCarthy of Nizkor drew himself up to full height and
>delivered himself of the following:

>". . . that sort of thing" makes a confounded judge in a Canadian court
>suggest that "creative legislation" may need to be passed to shut a
>lightweight up?

Jamie might honestly be one of the many gullible goyim-exterminationists who don't realize
what is on the line here for the Jews if the "Holocaust"crumbles.  It literally means the
end of -everything-.

The Jews' long gravy train of billions for Israel and the "Holocaust" is slowly pulling
into the station.  And long awaited.    

Alt.revisionism counts.  Alt.revisionism matters.

>German researcher Tjudar Rudolf, who is fluent in German, English, French,
>Yiddish and Polish and understands most Slavic names and languages, has
>painstakingly gone over all these Soviet/Auschwitz death register books and
>totaled the number of Jewish deaths according to name and religion - even
>allowing for slavicized names.

>The end result?

>Slightly over 30,000 Jewish dead in Auschwitz.  Five to ten times as many
>are believed to have perished in just one fire storm called Dresden!

Amazing.   Four million Jews did NOT die at Auschwitz, but 30,000.   What a hoax!

Revisionists and others suspected as much.  

>It is about a shadow tribe, entrenched in every government, especially in
>the United States and Germany, that counts us for their fools.  They want
>to hang onto their Holocaust.  It makes a lot of us susceptible to ever
>new, thinly disguised blackmail schemes which have extorted over 100
>Billion DM out of Ernst Zundel's Germany alone for the Holocaust Lobbyists
>and members of their tribe, institutions and organizations - not to forget
>the State of Israel.

The Jew is not as smart as he thinks he is or even as many goyim believe him to be.  I
always thought the Jew's worst attribute is his shrillness.   Essentially, they are
spazzes and tend to overplay their hand.   Kind of like the old anti-Arab C.A.M.E.R.A ads
printed in the New Yorker before they got a more savvy PR man:  really self-indulgent,
hysterical stuff.

It's kind of ironic, because the goyim are quite gullible, and there is plenty credulity
there if one plays it right.  But Jews often miscalculate and over-estimate even goyim
credulity, going way beyonds the bounds of belief.  That is miscalculating, pure and
simple.

I think this recent gold search in Switzerland could backfire on the Jews in a big way,
the same way putting Ernst Zundel on trial backfired on them.  

>Ernst Zundel's German people have a right to all the facts.  The Holocaust
>Promotion Lobby is brazenly misrepresenting their "facts" to fit their
>agenda of intolerance toward all those who would question its
>unconsciounable, underhanded methods and goals, employing secret agents,
>slush funds, boycotts, threats, assassination by hit squads, home
>torchings, parcel bombs - the works!

Definitely.  These people have absolutely no scruples. Real Mossad-type stuff.  

It is a dark versus light conflict because on the "Holocaust" side are the forces of
suppression, intimidation, extortion, and Lies.  It's really quite evil if you think about
it.

Kurt Stele









>________
>________
>________  Zundelsite:  http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/


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ivanpv@aol.com (IVANPV) wrote:

>      In my earlier posting (10/12),  I claimed a double-standard existed
>regarding Gentiles and Jews and cited as proof criticisms of Christianity
>by Holocaust writers.  In a critical response (10/14), Ms Laurinda Stryker
>maintains that Christians are not a group, so they can be criticized.  It
>is, of course,  impermissible-- anti-Semitic--to criticize Jews because
>they are a group.  Being a simple goy (not a derogatory term according to
>many on this news group), I cannot see the distinction.  It actually seems
>that Ms.Stryker is saying that it is acceptable to criticize Christians
>because they really are a hateful group; scholars are merely pointing out
>the existence of hatred in Christianity.  This "not hostility but truth"
>approach is not allowed, however, when applied to the  Jews.  For example,
>in A. M. Rosenthal's fulmination against Minister Louis Farrakhan  ("Kemp
>and Farrakhan," NY Times, Oct. 15, 1996) , he points out that Farrakhan
>often "adds that he is not anti-Semitic, just telling the truth about
>Jews."  Criticism of Jews is, ipso facto, "anti-Semitic."  Again,  is this
>not a double-standard?

Most certainly it is.  Jews evidently bash Christians hard for the Holocaust Lie and smear
Christians AS A GROUP.  Yet any little criticism will draw the patented
"anti-semitism"[tm] [all rights reserved]  smear, prepared for the purpose of silencing
anyone who has valid criticism of them.


>	Ms Stryker points out that it is regarded as perfectly appropriate
>in scholarly circles to hold that anti-Semitic ideals in "Christian dogma"
>set  the stage for the Holocaust.  She implies a distinction between
>criticism of  a religion and criticism of a group.   But again claims that
>the Talmud and Judaism embody hatred, are, ipso facto, declared to be
>anti-Semitic.  The "not allowed to criticize religious beliefs" standard
>is used to shield Judaism from the type of criticism that is regularly
>applied to Christianity.  One is allowed to say that Christianity is a
>religion of hate; it is anti-Semitic (and therefore unacceptable) to say
>the same thing about Judaism.  If this is not a double-standard, what is?

True again.  They want to claim -religious- status to avoid the label of Hate from the
anti-Gentile venom the Talmud so obviously spews, (even though they cast the label of
"hatred" at Christians for their doctrine alone); then, lo and behold,  Jews claim -group-
status when it is most convenient for receiving persecution privileges.  They've been
playing that little shellgame for as long as they've been in Europe, no?   

>	Ms. Stryker finally points out that the "Facing History and
>Ourselves"   Holocaust curriculum  praises some Gentiles, who, presumably
>violating "Christian dogma," aided Jews during the Holocaust.  According
>to Ms Stryker,  this is evidence that the curriculum is not 
>anti-Gentile--that it does not condemn "Gentiles qua Gentiles."   If
>praising some Gentiles is sufficient to prevent one from being
>anti-Gentile, then, by the same standard, praising some Jews should
>preclude one from being anti-Semitic.  Empirical evidence would show that
>almost all groups and individuals who criticize Jews praise certain
>individual Jews who are Holocaust revisionists or anti-Zionist.  For
>example,  IHR features Jewish Holocaust revisionist David Cole. 
>Therefore,   IHR does not condemn "Jews qua Jews."  By this "praise
>certain individuals" standard, there are virtually no anti-Semites.

Why, that's very true.  A definite double standard here.   Jews impugn Christians as a
whole, then claim they aren't anti-Christian.  Yet Jews condemn IHR for "attacking Jews."
The truth is however, IHR doesn't condemn as Jews but condemns the Jewish Lie of the
"Holocaust."  However, will all due credit to IHR they also feel obligated to point out
the obvious Jewish political interest in the matters, and admirably the IHR does so
unapologetically.


>	 To summarize, Ms. Stryker has unwittingly  underscored the
>Jewish/Gentile double-standard.  It is perfectly valid in scholarly
>circles to criticize Gentile groups and Gentile religious beliefs in ways
>that would be considered anti-Semitic if applied to Jews and Judaism.
 
Definitely.  Well thought-out.

Kurt Stele



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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>In article <541fin$hqp@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>> 
>> >Um, I gave the figure the source and the page.
>> 
>> >World Almanac 1995, c. 2.8 billion in 1993, I forget the page.
>> 
>> >I'm not your fucking librarian.  Get me?
>> 
>> OHHH.  You mean ONLY $2.8 BILLION?  (This does not count the money paid
>to Egypt and other
>> countries pursuant to Mid-East treaties for Israel.) 

>Hate to burst you bubble you twit, but Egypt is largely an arab country. No
>Joos (tm) running that collective.

Are you not aware of the deal struck with certain Arab countries by the U.S. to literally
pay them not to attack Israel?

Kurt Stele




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an321@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Angus) wrote:


>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) writes:
>> Another dirty little secret Jews don't want you to know is that they dominated slave trade
>> in the early European colonies.  Wouldn't that be funny if the Blacks found out about
>> that?  Heh heh.  Actually, a good bit of them do know it in the Nation of Islam.  But my
>> Jews have kept that little secret under wraps, no?   

>Let me guess - you eat dirt, right?

It depends.  Here the dirt is forcing millions of goyim to pay millions of dollars in
homage to the dirt.  

Kurt Stele



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From:

Legions of Death
Rupert Butler
Hamyln Publishing Group, Ltd.
1983 Edition

In the introduction to the book are listed the author's acknowledgements,
among which is to be found:

"Great kinfness was extended by Gertrud Mosonyi, courageous survivor of
Auschwitz-Birkenau, and by Bernard Clarke, who captured Auschwitz
Commandant Rudolf Hoess."

Now, referring to the book itself, we read:

"Bernard Clarke, a British Jew and a sergeant in 92 Field Security
Section who had already been involved in a fruitless search for the
elusive Nazi Party Secretary Martin Bormann and is today a successful
businessman working in the south of England, explains:

"We knew that Frau Hannah Hoess, her son and daughter had an upstairs
apartment in this block, furthermore that Hoess was in the habit of
sneaking in once a month to see them.  A round-the-clock watch, however,
produced not so much as a shadow of him.

"Nonetheless, Hoess had somehow got in and seen his family.  The news
came from the army of informers at out disposal-wretched Germans who were
keen to keep on the right side of the Occupation Authorities and were
quite prepared to betray neighbours and friends for a few tins of
bully-beef and a packet of cigarettes.

   "The time to act had finally arrived....."

At 5 pm on 11 March 1946, Frau Hoess opened her front door to six
intelligence specialists in British uniform, most of them tall and
menacing and all of them practised in the more sophisticated techniques
of sustained and merciless investigation.

No physical violence was used on the family: it was scarcely necessary. 
Wife and children were separated and guarded.  Clarkes tone was
deliberately low-key and guarded.  

He began mildly:  "I understand your husband came to see you as recently
as last night."

Frau Hoess merely replied:  "I haven't seen him since he absconded months
ago."

Clarke tried once more, saying gently but with a tone of reproach:  "You
know that isn't true."  Then all at once his manner had changed and he
was shouting:  "If you don't tell us we'll turn you over to the Russians
and they'll put you before a firing squad.  Your son will go to Sibiria."

It proved more than enough.  Eventually, a broken Frau Hoess betrayed the
whereabouts of the former Auschwitz Kommandant, the man who now called
himself Franz Lang.  Suitable intimidation of the son and daughter
produced identical information."

Page 236.

Of course Mr. Butler attempted to prtray this incident in the best
possible light for Clarke and his thugs.  However, he failed to interview
Mrs. Hoess or her children to hear THEIR version of the story, which, as
one might readily imagine, is quite different from the bully Clarke's. 
Notice how in the last line quote Clarke writes:

"Suitable intimidation of the son and daughter produced identical
information.:

Which brings us to the question:

How did this "suitable intimidation" take form?

In view of the fact that Hoess's children are still living, we may yet
obtain the answers to that question soon.  In the meantime, part two of
this post will show how "suitable intimidation" was used to force a false
confession out of Hoess himself.

Stay tuned.

Hoess' testimony is crucial to the Holocaust Hoax.   The goofy Holocausters keep claiming
"he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured."   

Lie after lie, after lie, after lie, after....

Kurt Stele







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mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) wrote:

>In article <543nnk$f0l@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>[snip]

>> He enlisted crack journalists from the Detroit Free Press for this purpose. 

>Uh, Herr Wankermeister, Henry Ford, _owned_ the _Dearborn Independant_. He
>published the _Protocols_ in the _Dearborn Independant_. 

Dear Nizkor pederast, you overlook they switched from the D.F.P. to the Dearborn.  Reseach
harder next time.

>> As it turned out, as Henry Ford's investigator's revealed, those Jews WEREN'T 
>> trollling.

>Really? Then why did Henry Ford apologize for publishing the _Protocols_? 

Pederast his apology happened after his mysterious "accident" pederast.  A moment of
weakness created by scumbag Jews who tried to kill him, only injuring him.

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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>Earlier I gave you the benifit of the doubt in assuming you hadn't read my
>October 13th post. I assumed you didn't know that I had already responded
>to your questions.

>After rereading your above paragraph (which includes a reference to
>a "trip to the library" which you could only have known about had
>you read my October 13th post) I realize that I have been too charitable.
>In fact you *did* read my post and chose to ignore it, did you not?

Wrong again.  I don't know what your talking about.  Look, if you want to post it again
then post it.  I don't remember any quote from _Mein Kampf_, p. 651, if that's what
you're asking, no.  I'll debate it as soon as I see it.  I returned to the thread October
12, and you responded on October 12th, but nothing after that.   It could be a simple
miscue.  

Post it if you like.  Otherwise you can feel free to desist from your silly sophomorics
about me "not wanting to answer your questions."  If YOU ever want to debate it, I'm
waiting.   I'm waiting for your illustrious "October 13th" post.  E-mail me when you post
it again.  I'm here.  Waiting.........

Kurt Stele




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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:

>The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism
>daily, unedited. The opinions expressed do not represent the views of the
>poster, who is not the author. See X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good
>place to start is http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if you're in Europe,
>http://www1.de.nizkor.org/nizkor/

>------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------


>*       Minister Alfred Rosenberg followed, taking 10 minutes to die.

>*       Hans Frank was next, dying after 10.5 torturous minutes.

>*       Wilhelm Frick strangled at the end of the rope for 12 minutes.

>*       Streicher is said to have entered the (gymnasium) in "blazing
>defiance."  When asked his name, he refused to answer.  While climbing the
>stairs, he was the only martyr to shout "Heil Hitler!"



YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!




>Upon reaching the platform, he spat in Wood's face and said:  "The
>Bolsheviks will hang you one day."  He was the only one not given time for
>a final statement - they wanted to begin the slow strangulation of
>Streicher as quickly as possible.  He shouted "Purim festival, 1946!" a
>reference to the Jewish celebration of their slaughter of 70,000 Gentiles
>in the Book of Esther.  As Woods pulled the hood over his head, Streicher's
>last earthly words were "I am now by God my father.  Adele, my dear wife .
>. . "  Streicher died after a long 14 minute strangulation.

So much for your earlier squabble with Hitler, no?   You died well, good man.  You will be
avenged.  You are immortal now..

Kurt Stele



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Jeffrey  wrote:


>Free music lessons. What's wrong with that?

>Franz Suchomel - that's the same guy who mentioned "Wolsec" in his
>"confession" as posted by dan keren. Rudi Hoess, the Auschwitz
>commander, also mentioned "wolsek". Of course when caught out Dan Keren,
>pathetically tried to pass it off as Belzec. 

>Another person mentions a non-existant camp, correlating Hoess's
>"confession".

>Hoess voluntarily confessed to gassing 2 million jews to the British.
>Hoess then confessed to the Yankees to gassing millions of Jews at 3
>camps, in 1941, which he signed.

>[In reality, the facts are as follows, 
>Hoess 'voluntarily' confession to the british was the result of almost
>being beaten to death. In the 'confession' to the yankees, the numbers
>are totally wrong, the Camp "Wolsek" is non-existant, the year is wrong,
>and he spelt his own name in the English idiom.] 

>Par for the course.

they eagled this one.

Kurt Stele

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Jeffrey  wrote:

>Tom, this means there could be 2 explanations of the black marks on top
>of the morgue next to Krema III on the September 13th 1944, air photo.

>Explanation No 1) John Ball, an air photo interpreter.
>Something drawn on the photos to appear as vents by holocaust hate
>propagandists, but are far too wide, inconsistent with that on the
>ground etc 

>The logical inference from Chuck's article. No 2) 

>The black marks on the roof of the morgue next to Krema III are actually
>'Skid marks' caused by the Germans landing their Jets on the morgues to
>drown out the screams of the jews, who are being "gassed" to death by
>the Nazis, who have thrown a commonly used fumigant, through solid
>concrete.

>Does this mean that the Nazis had run out of Wagner records?

Giwer shreds it good also but GodDAMN you're hard on the Holocaust.   Whew!  Poor Nizkor
buggers.  They keep having their ass handed to them time and again.

Kurt Stele

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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>A large part of the claims that the Germans
>murdered millions of people by poison gas
>is centered on two buildings at the southwestern
>corner of Birkenau Camp in Poland: Crema II and
>Crema III.  
>The physical remains of the so-called gaschambers
>still exists but, thanks to M. Pressac,
>we also know that almost the entire record of the
>construction and operation of the Cremas still
>exists too.
>    From the record and from photographs taken during
>the construction process, we know that Crema II and
>III were not designed or built as "gaschambers" but,
>according to Pressac, were modified sometime after
>January 1943 or even later.  In the records is a 
>picture of the concrete slab of the roof of 
>Leichenkeller 1 Crema II.  See Pressac Technique
>at pg.  373  Document 34.  The roof was built
>WITHOUT the vent holes.  These vent holes were
>a vital part of the story that Zyclon was dropped
>through the holes.
>      
>       According to Standard Holocaust Mythology (SHM)
>the Germans had a gas chamber in use in the summer and
>winter of 1942- the so-called "Bunker".  This building
>could (SHM) be used to kill 2,800 people at a time-
>the same number as Crema II.  The "Bunker" according
>to the story was convenient, isolated, right next to 
>burning pits.  The question becomes, why abandon its
>use and go to the vast expense (millions of marks)
>of converting  Crema II into another gaschamber?
>This is particularly true when Exterminationist stories
>about reducing the size of the Crema II gaschamber 
>are considered.  
>Any answers out there from Exterminationists?

It doesn't appear as yet the exterminationists want to debate you about the real points of
the Holocaust.  Evidently they are too busy trying to smear revisionists.  I guess it's
easier and more enjoyable to them to personally attack revisionists than defend a soundly
debunked, thoroughly discredited, and indefensible HOAX.

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karlpov@access1.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>>British Newspaper _Sunday Pictorial_, January 23rd, 1949.    _Washington Daily
> News_,
>>January 9th, 1949, 

>Y'know, this really is too damned weird.

>The WASHINGTON DAILY NEWS appeared six days a week--Monday 
>through Saturday.

>January 9, 1949, was a Sunday.

>I suddenly wonder whether this whole thing is an unusually clumsy 
>forgery. Anyone on the other side of the pond have access to this 
>SUNDAY PICTORIAL also cited?

Shitlock Holmes, get a copy of January 9th, 1949 and then prove to me the Washington
"DAILY"  News wasn't Sunday-issued in 1949.
 ^^^^^^^                                                             ^^^^^^^^

Then obtain a copy of the SUNDAY PICTORIAL and eat your words asshole.

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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:
>Gandhi's vomit trashed
>>  
>>  Since you are the one who claims that more than 6 million innocents were
>>  not destroyed in the Nazi effort to fulfill Hitler's agenda, the onus lies
>>  upon you to support your claims.

>No it isn't.  Prove that six million died.

All Gunga Din contributes to a.r. are mantric chants of "the 6 million died.  The 6
million died," as if that helps or proves anything.

I guess he's relying to the old "if you say something long enough...."  principle.  
But alt.revisionism just isn't the place to be repeating "Six Million Died" without at
least adding the minimum standard Holocaust pseudo-evidence appended thereto.

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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes:

>.
>>  
>>  [snip]
>>  
>>  -------------------
>>  When you arise in the morning, give thanks for the morning light, for your
>>  life and your strength. Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living.
>>  If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself.
>>  
>>>>>
>When you arise in the morning, you ought to go straight
>back to bed....saves you the humiliations you're bound
>to encounter during the day.......Mr. "Gandhi", the Guru
>of lies.

If I were him I'd give up by  now.

Kurt Stele



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Nobody  wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>>
>>>I agree.  A great, non-anti-Semitic, anti-totalitarian piece of
>>>literature.
>>
>>Actually, it is indirectly very anti-Semitic.  Jews continue to use Orwellian tactics in
>>suppressing those who doubt their Hoax, imprisoning them, along with using "educational
>>conditioning" methods to instill "Holocaust" guilt.  Both are straight out of 1984.  Also,
>>the novel was written after Orwell's disillusionment with communism, and the the novel is
>>based on the tactics of the early Communist regime -- an operation founded, and dominated
>>during the 1930's by JEWS.  
>>
>>Kurt Stele

>OK, time to supress this guy.  After all we do have that power.  He says so himself.

Jews at SWC are trying and would do so if they could.  Just a matter of passing "laws."  

But Jews are quite good at that, so just give them time.

Kurt Stele





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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>[..]
>> Here, Keren is claiming that just because -every- section of Hoess' memoirs "wasn't
>> pro-Ally" that therefore Hoess'  wasn't coerced in large part to repeat the Allied hoax of
>> extermination by gassing.  Sorry, it doesn't follow.  It was in the Allied best interest
>> for the memoirs to appear somewhat credible.

>I like how you shift the parameters of your little conspiracy
>theory whenever the facts don't suit you.

>First you say Hoess is a fabricating liar who did whatever his captors
>told him.

>When it is pointed out to you that Hoess did _not_ blindly 
>parrot the Soviet line, and spoke in disparaging terms about
>the Soviet POWs, you change course and claim those details
>were added by the allies to make his memoirs appear credible.

Wrong again.  I claim that obviously his memoirs could have been coerced or doctored at
any point.   On page 63 he admits he was ASSIGNED to write the memoirs.  Everything about
Hoess is suspect since it is known he was tortured anyway.   

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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   "Annie Alpert, OFB"  writes:
>> 

>>  > 
>>  
>>  Geez, Kaufmann was just responding in anger to a book that called for
>>  killing Jews (Germnay Must Live, Roth).  While The Jews didn't have a
>>  chance to act out any of Kaufmann's projections, Germany actually
>>  carried out a good deal of Mr. Roths.  

>Can we have some quotes from Mr. Roth?  Also, this gives
>Kaufman no pretext for calling for the extermination of the
>German people, and I would say that the allies carried
>out a good deal of Kaufman, Morganthaum and Ehrenburg's
>incitations as well.  Geez, Streicher was only responding to
>Kaufman........
>rb

Several Jews in power used their power to destroy Germany and wipe out as many Germans as
possible.   They weren't "bluffing" or "trolling."  They committed ACTUAL acts of genocide
against Germans.  Ehrenburg incitations to rape children and kills all Germans.
Morganthau's extermination plan.  And even the Jewish Secretary in England conceived the
plan for bombing open German cities.

Jews tried to exterminate Germans in Old Testament Jewish style -- man, woman, and child.
That is why they blamed Germans for extermination.

Kurt Stele



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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>>Number One:  who is to say he currently has a PUBLISHER for the book?

>Mr. Irving. The Library of Congress. Moi.

>>Are you sure he has?

>Yes.

Who is his publisher?

>>Why are you going around trying to smear Irving instead of contacting him
>>DIRECTLY on these claims yourself?

>He handed me his book personally. You want I should post a GIF?

Who is his publisher?

>>He can be reached by e-mail, or indirectly thereby.

>Can not. He's afraid of the net.

Is that why there are excerpts posted from his "diary" on the net?

>>Your methods aren't thorough, you haven't checked with Irving on MOST if
>>not all of your smears against him.

>It's all on the audio and videotapes held by Irving's friends. I didn't
>have a tape recorder, and if I had one, he would threaten legal action for
>copyright infringement, as he has threatened Annie.

You said your conversation with him was on tape.   

>>He has denied some of them outright

>Specifically? Please do tell.

The accusation that he called himself a "moderate fascist."

>>and yet you refuse to cross-reference a PRIMARY source:  Irving himself!

>On the contrary, I've cited his book _Goebbels_ quite accurately. See
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/graves.rich

Why didn't you ask him when you spoke with him in person if interested in finding out the
answers DIRECTLY?

>>You are hardly one to talk for questionable research methodology.

>Unlike Mr. Irving, I have a college degree, and I have read the Time
>Magazine review of the Kaufman book that he so badly misrepresents. It is
>available at
>http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/k/kaufman.theodore.nathan/press

As Irving said, what does not having a college degree have to do with it?  The famous
historian Gibbon never "had a degree."  Many "degree'd" people lack the writing ability,
intelligence, and insight of a David Irving -- none of which is conferred by "college
degree."

>>>The foreword to Goebbels accurately identifies the western researcher who
>>>first used the Goebbels diaries in Russia, directly contradicting his
>>>claim that he was the first and only to use them. Therefor, I believe I am
>>>justified in calling his claims lies.
>>
>>Maybe Irving didn't KNOW this at the time.

>No, he did, as he immediately retracted himself.
>http://www.codoh.com/graphics/goebdiaries.GIF

Which still doesn't prove he KNEW of earlier user at the time, which makes it an "error"
instead of a "LIE!"

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Nobody  wrote:

>Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:

>Lot's of snip.

>>
>>Revisionism is "Crimethink"! The Tarantula Thought Police scurry along
>>the Web, to spin cocoons around the Crimethink-Graffitti. But it isn't
>>working! In jerkwater Pullman, WA students devise the most impressive
>>Revisionist site going! Their material may come from more mature
>>writers, but the mastery of technology is all their own.
>>
>>http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling
>>
>>Another site to give Big Debbie a major >halish>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>>        "Ursus Major"

>Another one for our thought police.  After all, aren't we so all powerful 
>that we can supress anything that we don't like.

No.  You can suppress anyone on the MEDIA, which is pretty much anybody.  Jews as Simon
Wieselthal, however, ARE working on getting "hate" banned from the Internet.   Jews
control the media in Europe as well of course do the same.   They also have succeded in
passing thoughtcrime laws to imprison revisionists.  Orwell(berg) LIVES! 

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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>[..]
>> The only thing Rich Graves contributes to alt.revisionism is moral aspersion cast upon
>> revisionists like David Irving, in the obvious attempt to discredit his work by personal
>> smear.
>> 
>> Yet it is interesting that Rich Graves shows up at the David Irving meeting posing as a
>> "reporter."  I think we know who the liar is here.

>Having met Mr. Graves in person, i can assure you that he does
>more worthwhile things in a single day that you have done in your
>entire hateful and wasted life.

>Remeber when the German government tried to prevent people from
>accessing Zundel's site?

>Mr. Graves _mirrored_ the site himself rather than allow Zundel
>to be censored, simply because he believes that Mr. Zundel's right to 
>free expression should not be infringed, regardless of his message.

>Rather than applaud his censorship-fighting efforts, you and your ilk spew
>bile and lies about him.

>More than anything, your slander underscores the differences between 
>people like him and people like you.  

Rich Graves refuses to confirm detracting assertions regarding David Irving directly, even
though, Graves said he spoke with Irving, choosing instead to "assume" David Irving lies.

Kurt Stele





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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
>>>   aryangar@aol.com (AryanGar) writes:
>>
>>>  read the Bulletins U claim to get.  I have been a member for many years &
>>>  have attended many formal meetings, Unit meetings, functions, social
>>>  events, fund-raisers, book club meetings, protests, group literature
>>>  distributions, etc...  I have met many many NA members from not only all
>>>  over North America but from around the globe.  I am always impressed with
>>>  the cadre the NA has.  Repeating your silly lies about the NA many times
>>>  will not ever make them true.  
>>
>>	They must be very proud of the Freeman brothers.

>[A couple of NA members who killed their parents because they didn't want
>them involved with neo-Nazis.]

>Is any documentation of this case available online?

As it turns out, Rich, the "NA members who killed their parents" weren't NA members.

Who lying now?

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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:


>> For a summary of the "revisionist" position, look at what
>> Nazi propagandist and "revisionist", Kurt Stele, wrote:
>> 
>>  From:         kurtstele@aol.com (Kurt Stele)
>>  Message-Id:   <4ut4ht$p8i@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
>> 
>> # The Holocaust is a funny thing..
>> # When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
>> # When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!
>> # Kurt Stele
> 
>And let's not for get this gem, Dr. Keren:


>-I think the jewish claim about the pyramids is yet -another- hoax.
>-
>-The jewish aversion to manual labor is proverbial.
>-
>-The nazis tried to change that, in the labor camps.
>-
>-Maybe that is why the labor camps were melodramatically called "death
>-camps" by the -millions- of people who survived them:  the thought of
>-doing manual labor was simply horrifying to them.
>-
>-Kurt Stele

You still do not refute the lowest representation of Jews in any group are blue collar
professions

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and tell him!
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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>> 
>> >Um, I gave the figure the source and the page.
>> 
>> >World Almanac 1995, c. 2.8 billion in 1993, I forget the page.
>> 
>> >I'm not your fucking librarian.  Get me?
>> 
>> OHHH.  You mean ONLY $2.8 BILLION?  (This does not count the money paid to Egypt and other
>> countries pursuant to Mid-East treaties for Israel.)

>Seeing as how you were jumping up and down that it was 
>five billion a year, it certainly shows that you're a 
>lying weasel who doesn't care about facts.

It's probably OVER 5 BILLION all Holocaust perks included.  Who KNOWS how much they give
that shitty little state and aren't telling us.   They never hold votes on any of it and
the average person isn't told a thing about it.

Kurt Stele





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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: JEW ADMIRES ZUNDELS COURAGE
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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
>> 
>> >kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>> 
>> >>mstein@access3.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>> 
>> >>>    Burg, of course, was never in Auschwitz, or Treblinka, or Belzec, or
>> >>>Sobibor.
>> >>
>> >>Burg visited there.  Read the transcript.  He saw gassing used:   to kill lice.
>> 
>> >Read the transcript. Joseph Burg visited Auschwitz after the war and
>> >didn't see poison gas used for anything.
>> 
>> >Ain't the sharpest tack in the box, are you?
>> 
>> Dumb-ass read below.  He did visit Auschwitz.  He never saw ANY gas chambers at Auschwitz.
>> In the camp Maindenak that used gas, he saw it used for delousing, not gassing:

>Ahhh yes. Isn't this the same Kurt Stele who once claimed that
>'revisionist scholars' never resort to insults?

>The point is, Kurt, that Burg did not visit any of these camps
>until AFTER THE WAR.  Why in heaven's  name would he expect to
>see _gassings_ then?

>> Christie: When you visited Auschwitz in the fall of 1945, did you
>> specifically look for gas chambers?

>Fall of 1945.  You do realize that the Nazis surrendered in May of 1945, 
>don't you?

The Jew Burg at Mandanek saw Zyklon B used to delouse and nothing more.

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: How much of one could the other really eat?
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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>>yeah, and baseball players were never put on trial on the strength of the
>>same eyewitness testimony that falsely claimed steaming, electrocution,
>>ripping the breasts of women, and a thousand other ridiculous tales
>>without any evidence.  Obviously, they took the ridiculous accounts
>>SERIOUSLY.  And now you say they should be considered metaphorical.

>    I said ONE line should be considered a figure of speech (not
>metaphorical, please learn what the word means).  "Eating alive" is a
>reasonably common expression in English.  "We went camping and the
>mosquitos ate us alive!"  It's also used in a sports setting, as when one
>athlete says to another before a game, "I'm going to eat you alive." 
>(Also: "I'm going to eat you for lunch.")

It is obvious they took the ridiculous metaphors and lies of eyewitness seriously and
hanged several on there basis alone

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: U.S. Gives Israel BILLIONS every year from taxpayer-$$$$
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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>[..]
>> 
>> Andrew Mathis won't give the figure of U.S. aid to Israel because he knows the figure adds
>> up to BILLIONS every year.
>> 
>> "Yes sir, Mr. Jew.  You would like yet another BILLION from US tax-dollars?  By all means,
>> Mr. Jew sir, at once."

>Simple Question:  Has US aid to Israel gone up or down
>in recent years?

Misleading.  It is adjusted according to how much the gullible goyim can pay.

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Hooray For Matt Giwer!
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Pomegranate wrote:

>Matt Giwer and Tom Moran are the main reasons to read this group.

I second that.   Blackmore is certainly right among them and Jeffrey's posts shred the
Hoax quite well.

Kurt Stele



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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>> So what?  The Soviets had obvious aims for nuclear weapons; and yet the
>> U.S. allied
>> themselves with the Soviets.  What's your point?  That no other country
>> besides the U.S. (and Israel of course -- they have the same rulers
>> anyway) should be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

>Ah, thank you.  You see, you were trying to make the point that the US
>actually had nothing to fear from Hitler's Germany, and thus Lindbergh, in
>hindsight, had been tricked into supporting the allied cause.  As you
>know, we ended up having plenty to fear from the Soviets and their nuclear
>arsenal, and yet we had far fewer clues as to their potential
>agressiveness than we had with Nazi Germany's overt agressiveness and
>imperial ambitions (Hitler had, after all, announced no limits to
>Germany's required 'living space.')

WRONG again.  My point was that the U.S. at the TIME of -entering- WWII did not enter the
war for the sake of any "German Nuclear Program."   That is what you asserted and you've
presented NOTHING to support it.    Now, go to the library and present some EVIDENCE of
your assertion that the war against Germany was fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a Nuclear
danger.   

BTW you won't find anything to help your point but going to the library may teach you how
to read.

>> Please post the evidence that the U.S. went to war with Germany because
>> of the "German nuclear program".

>I don't need to post, nor does there exist, evidence that the US went to
>war with Germany because of Germany's nuclear potential.  The nuclear
>threat of Germany was raised because you inferred that in hindsight 
>Lindbergh had been tricked into fighting against 'unthreatening' Nazi
>Germany.  To which I respond, in hindsight an undefeated Nazi Germany
>would have been a highly agressive nuclear power and the gravest threat.

Once again, you have FAILED to post proof that Germany would have "been a highly agressive
nuclear power and the gravest threat."  

Once again, more cliches.  Once again -- no evidence.   

>Actually, I have no expertise, but it requires none to clear this fog of
>your making.

I realize you have NO EXPERTISE.  That is painfully and tediously obvious.

>My, you *do* want me to spend time in the library, don't you?  You see, I
>am not an "expert", even a (sic) one, and consequently do not have an
>extensive library at my immediate disposal from which to glean the
>mountains of evidence describing Hitler's racial policies.

Read:  "I don't know what I'm talking about.  All I do is spout bullshit cliches for which
I have no support.  Then I make specious and idiotic attacks on others as not being
"experts" but then I apologize for not being an expert myself."    

Again, no evidence.

>But, since I have at least a passing familiarity with Hitler's program (If
>you need more I suggest you visit the Cybrary of the Holocaust or Nizkor)
>I can at least quote Hitler's statement about what Germany must do
>to rid themselves of the 'evil' Jews:

Again, no evidence is presented.   Just cliches.

>"... it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over
>nations.  No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the
>sword."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler, Houghton Mifflin, p651

The removal of the hand from the throat is a defensive act.    And there is no talk of
enslaving or eradicating other peoples.  You have more evidence I would assume, right?

>That seems like a pretty clear call to arms against the Jewish race, and
>from a pretty good source for divining Hitler's program: his own book.

WHAT???  You've proven NOTHING!   You make these sweeping allegations and then you post a
defensive general quote to prove Hitler wanted to "enslave" and "WIPE OUT" entire
peoples??  Geez...  Why did I even bother to respond to this.

>Actually, if you go back and reread what I have said you will notice that
>I stated that in hindsight there was ample evidence of threat and
>potential, but did not state that the US necessarily had any precognition
>or access to Hitler's plans in advance.

Here's what you wrote:

=================================
Myself:
> He did so reluctantly, and according to the Lie told him that Hitler wanted to take over
> the world.   Americans weren't in the slightest danger of losing their freedom to the
> Germans.  The war, as usual, was fought for Jewish interest -- precisely the same reason
> WWI had be fought.  

YOU:
So the fact that Hitler had invaded nearly the entire land mass of Europe,
forayed into Africa, and sunk US shipping in the Gulf of Mexico did not
signify Hitler's determination to dominate the world, whether directly or
through an axis alliance?  This, not to mention Hitler's nuclear and
rocket programs did not constitute a threat to the US's well-being?

===========================================

Obviously, the topic was WHY the U.S. entered the war.  And you responded that Hitler's
nuclear and rocket programs "constituted a threat to the U.S.'s well-being."  
To support  your wild assertion you have so far produced:       NOTHING.

And now you are trying to say you were really speaking in "retrospect."  Yet it is obvious
the present reason for the U.S.'s involvement was under discussion.    But even for your
"retrospect" position you have so far produced:              NOTHING.

In answer to your cliche that Hitler was "determined to enslave and destroy other peoples"
you produced a defensive quote removing Jews from the throat of Aryans.  That is ALL.  You
make wild assertions you cannot support.   

You are a cliche-ridden boob who cannot back up her assertions.  

Support  your assertions and I will respond to them.

Kurt Stele

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
wars of politics and possession."  

Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.



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Dene Bebbington  wrote:

>If only most Holocaust deniers were only doubting, instead it seems to
>be part of a larger mosaic of neo-Fascism (for want of a better
>expression) which aims to deny the atrocities of the German Nazi's
>during the 1930s and 1940s. I suspect that often the motivation is to
>make such Fascist systems as Nazism appear less malign and dangerous
>than they really are.

Right.  And let's imprison Revisionists lest  facts be revealed which make the Nazis look
LESS bad.   Remember, making sure the Nazis look bad is the top priority.   Got to make
sure that happens at all costs.

>I fail to see how my having doubts about whether it is wrong to imprison
>deniers can in any way be equated to the actions of the Nazis. 

The man considers throwing people into jail for doubting an alleged event and that's 'OK'
and then he condemns Nazis who never did that.  

>And why bother throwing in the word Orwellian? I could just as easily
>accuse you of Orwellian tactics. As for a point of accuracy, if it were
>really Orwellian then the deniers wouldn't even have anything to work on
>at all, you know, in 1984 they actually obliterated all evidence from
>the past that might contradict the prevailing ideology.

You are Orwellian as you consider imprisoning people who doubt an alleged event.

Kurt Stele



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Subject: The Hoess Testimony BITES THE DUST!!!!
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Quoting further from the "interogation" of Rudolf Hoess:

"Clarke recalls vividly:

"He was lying on top of a three-tier bunker wearing a new pair of silk pyjamas.  We
discovered later that he had lost the cyanide pill most of them carried.  Not that he
would have had much chance to use it because we rammed a torch into his mouth.".......

"Clake yelled:  "What is your name?"

With each answer of "Franz Lang", Clarke's hand crashed into the face of his prisoner.
The fourth time that happened, Hoess broke and admitted who he was.

The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of the Jewish sergeants  in the arresting
party whose parents  had died in Auschwitz following an order signed by Hoess.

The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body.  He was then
dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and
screams were endless.

Eventually, the Medical officer urged the Captain:  "Call them off, unless you want a
corpse on your hands."

A blanket was thrown over Hoess and he was dragged to Clarke's car, where the sergeant
poured a substantial slug of whiskey down his throat.  Then Hoess tried to sleep.

Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered in German:  "Keep your
pig eyes open, you swine."............

The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning.  The snow was swirling still,
but the blanket was torn from Hoess and he was made to walk completely nude through the
prison yard to his cell.

It took three days to get a coherent statement out of him."

Legions of Death by Rupert Butler
Hamyln House Ltd.
Middlesex, England, 1983, pg. 236,237.

So, it took "three days" to get a "coherent" statement out of him.  I suppose that was due
to the tea and biscuits he was continually given by his compassionate warders.  No, it
wasn't, as the following will reveal.  On October 17, 1986, Clarke's admissions were fully
corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in an article appearing in the Wrexham Leader:

"Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery stationed at Heide
in Schleswig-Holstein.  "They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over
questioning about his activities during the war.  He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was
put in a small jail cell in the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones.  Two other soldiers were
detailed with mr. Jones to join hoess in his cell to help break him down for
interrogation.  "We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles.  Our
job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance," said Mr.
Jones.  When Hoess was taken out for nights without sleep, Hoess finally broke down and
made a full confession to the authorities."

Finally, we have the testimony of Mortiz von Schirmeister:

During the war, von Schirmeister had been the personal press attache' of Joesph Goebbels.
On March 31,-April 1, he was taken by british authorities to testify at Nuremberg, along
with Rudolf Hoess.  While en route to Nuremberg, Hoess told von Schirmeister:

"Certainly I signed a statement that I killed two and a half million Jews.  But I could
just as well have said that it was five million Jews.  There are certain methods by which
any confession can be obtained,  whether it is true or not."

It is also curious to note that the Jewish sergeant attempted to justify their bludgeoning
by remarking that "Hoess signed an order" for their parents to be murdered.   

It seems that Jews were everywhere extracting statments from the former Kommandant, as
well as from many other accused as well, and their interrogation methods were all the
same:  intimidation, threats to the family, vicious beatens, and multifold physical and
psychological abuse and torment.

Compare the above with Hoess's version of his capture and "interrogation":

"When I was first roused from sleep.....I was maltreated lby the Field Security
Police......I was taken to Heide.......At my first interrogation evidence was obtained by
beating me.  I do not know what is in the record, although I signed it.  Alcohol and the
whip were too much for me. The whip was my own, which by chance had got into my wife's
luggage.  It had hardly ever touched my horse, far less the prisoners.  Nevertheless,
one of  my interrogators was convinced that I had perpetually used it for flogging the
prisoners.  

After some days I was taken to Minden-on-the-Weser, the main investigation centre in the
British Zone.  There I received further rough treatment at the hands of the English Public
Prosecutor, a major.

THE CONDITIONS IN PRISON ACCORDED WITH THIS BEHAVIOR. (Caps mine. K.S.)

After three weeks, to my surprise, I was shaved and had my hair cut and I was allowed to
wash.  My handcuffs had not previously been removed since my arrest........

I was always pointed out as an especially interesting animal......

"I was in Nuremberg because Kaltenbrunner's counsel had demanded me as a witness for his
defence......the interrogations were extremely unpleasant, not so much physically, but far
more because of their strong psychological effects.  (As noted by other defendants at
Nuremberg-K.S.)  I cannot really blame the interrogators-they were all Jews.  (G.M.
Gilbert was one of these men Hoess refers to.  He was the author of "Nuremberg Diary".)

Psychologically, I was almost cut in pieces.  They wanted to know all about everything,
and this was also done by Jews.  They left me in no doubt whatsoever as to the fate that
was in store for me. 

On 25 May, my wedding anniversary, as it happened, I was driven with von Burgsdorff and
Buehler to the aerodrom and there handed over to Polish officers.  We flew in an American
plane via Berlin to Warsaw.  Although we were treated very politely during our journey, I
feared the worst when I remembered my experiences in the British Zone and the tales I had
heard about the way people were being treated in the East.

(Commandant in Auschwitz-Introduction by Lord Russell of Liverpool, 1959,
p. 173, 175.)

-------------------------------------------------------

So there you have it.  So much for the Hoess "confessions" on which the "Holocaust" is
built almost entirely on.  

The alleged "Holocaust" of extermination by gassing has no physical evidence.  All it has
is a series of conflicting, exaggerative, and unsubstantiated "eyewitness testimony."   

And the most relied upon witness for the "Holocaust" Tale, Rudolph Hoess, was brutally
tortured by his captors to produce his "confessions."    

The Holocaust is a vicious Lie and the enemy of integrity.   We spread it at our own
peril.  We suppress its doubters of it at greater peril.  The entire Western World has
been taught the most central event in history is the "Holocaust."  And as one should have
suspected by the looks of such an ambitious and imperious ideology, it was a Lie.  

Kurt Stele
  








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_Germany Says Scientologists Insulted Jews_ 

The German government said today (10/18/96) that the Church of Scientology
was insulting millions of Jews by levelling charges that Bonn uses "Nazi
tactics" against Scientology's followers.  Yesterday the _New York Times_
ran a full-page ad from the Scientologists, which was headlined "Practising
Religious Intolerance" and "Germany Then and Now."  The ad compared
contemporary German attitudes to Scientology to "the persecution of the
Jewish people."  German Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Erdmann said "By
comparing its treatment in Germany with Nazi crimes against the Jews,
Scientology is falsifying history.  What is worse, it's also insulting the
feelings of the victims of the Nazi regime and their relatives."
Scientology is not classed as a church in Germany and many officials want
it placed under surveillance, saying it exploits the weak.

------------------------------

The Jews want all condemnation of Nazis to be used ONLY in reference to Jews.   They want
sole control of "Nazi" castigation to ensure the "Holocaust" remains an  exclusively
"anti-Jewish" affair.    

I guess the other "6 million" of alleged goyim who supposedly died are indeed "just a
footnote" and those goyim dogs have no right to even criticize Nazis without Jewish
permission.  

These Jews sure are an arrogant and controlling lot -- not to mention some of the most
brazen liars who ever walked.   If I was the White race at large, I would tell these Jews
to take their Lies, their money-grubbing demands, and their "poor-Jew" persecution
whining, and get FUCKED.    But who knows?   That might just happen yet!  

Have a good day,

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>I'm just going to stop responding to every hollow insult you throw at me,
>but I don't want you to feel that they are no longer welcome.  But I'm
>just going to focus on this small part to show anyone who might be reading
>this thread exactly where you are migrating the debate away from the
>original subject:

You are a cliched boob and a liar.

>Myself:
>> He did so reluctantly, and according to the Lie told him that Hitler
>> wanted to take over the world.   Americans weren't in the slightest
>> danger of losing their freedom to the Germans.

>You present this as fact but it is only, and can only be, an opinion
>because Hitler was defeated before it could be born out.

>The fact is, Hitler possessed the *potential* to threaten the US as
>evidenced by his nuclear and missile programs which were
>concretely revealed as the war progressed (and suspected before the war.)
>The are undeniable *facts* and they disprove your assertion that the US
>was in no danger from the Germans.  Whether Hitler ever intended to use
>them against the US is only a matter of speculation and, as I have said
>repeatedly, not an issue that I will attempt to support nor do I need to
>support in the course of this debate.

Now you are simply reducing your argument to him having the potential to do something.
You reduce your argument back to nothing, which is good.  The USSR had the potential to
destroy the US and the US did not attack and destroy the USSR.    India has nuclear
abilities and the US does not attack India.

You provide no evidence for any of your cliche-filled assertions:

1)  That the US entered the war to destroy a "German Nuclear Program"

2)  That Germany had they possessed nuclear ability would have been an "
aggressive threat against the U.S." despite Hitler avowed goal of White unity;

3)   That Hitler "determined goal" was the "enslavement and eradication of other peoples"

Once again you provide NOTHING to support your positions.

>This entire issue, however, is tangential because the focus of this thread
>is why are Lindbergh's mistaken proto-fascist, racist notions any more
>valid than the vapid opinions of other, undistinguished protofascist
>racists such as yourself?

Only a cliche-filled moronic liar as yourself could claim it requires more than 2 brain
cells to understand America was founded for its Founding people, its founding race, that
White settlers did not fight and clear the land of non-Whites simply hand the country over
a gratis to any biped who float into US waters.  Lindbergh understood this of course.  

Nor does it even one brain cell to see the obvious that if Whites destroy each other
through internecine wars for Jewish interest they will weaken and eradicate themselves.
That is precisely what happened as White homelands darkened after WWII, vindicating
Hitler.

You are too stupid to see the obvious Lindbergh saw and claim one must be an expert to see
the obvious.  

You are cliche-filled boob who still fails to substantiate your original assertions,
reducing them to nothing later.

You claimed Hitler wanted to "eradicate and destroy" other peoples.  You presented no
evidence for this.   You are only a liar of course. 

You have presented no support for your cliches.   

You are a liar.  Come back when you have at least a least made token efforts to support
your lies.

Kurt Stele



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Subject: Re: "Der Stuermer"-Hitler's Favorite Mag?
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   Gene  writes:
>> 
>  Kurt, Kurt, Kurt.  Was Kaufman gonna do this all by himself?  He was so
>>  far out there that he was mostly ignored.  Striecher, on the other hand
>>  had the MEANS to follow through, which the Nazis did.  What was "the
>>  Jew" Kaufman gonna do, bombard them with bagels?
>>  
>>>>>
>Gee, who was Roosevelts closest advisor?

>Bernie Baruch

>Who in Roosevelt's cabinet called for what
>amounted to  the entire
> extirpation
>of the entire German race?

>Morgenthau.

>Who was Great Britain's Minister of War?

>Hore Belisha.

>How many Jews fought against Germany
>during the war?

>1.5 million.  And they weren't armed with Bagels.....


Once again Jews lie and deny their acts of mass destruction.  Here Jews are claiming Jews
"were just bluffing" and didn't use their Jewish power to murder and exterminate Germans.


It's the old "Jews can do no wrong"  lie.

They're getting a really bad reputation for lying.  

Kurt Stele



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roberson@zeno.ibd.nrc.ca (Walter Roberson) wrote:

>I for one know of no such situation. What I -have- read about is that
>trust money, rumoured to belong to the Bronfmans, was *legally* moved
>out of Canada after a Revenue Canada Advance Tax Ruling ruled that the
>trust money could be moved without being taxed. An Advance Tax Ruling
>is an explicit and authoritative statement from Revenue Canada as to
>what it would consider tax implications of a hypothetical situation to
>be.  The money was not moved until the tax ruling was received okaying
>it. I have no reason to believe that the mover of the money would not have
>paid any taxes Revenue Canada had decided would be owed.

It was moved by Jews under the bogus rubric of Charity

>Who-ever it was that moved the money did so perfectly legally, and did
>not evade taxes because it was legally determined that no taxes were
>owed for the situation! In other words, they found a perfectly valid
>but quite embarassing loophole in the tax laws, and were fully entitled
>to take advantage of it.

Jews were swindling Canada out of millions of dollars by moving money to Israel under the
false rubric of charity.  

Kurt Stele



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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Rich, why did you say the convicted Freeman brothers were NA members?

Are deliberate lies what you resort to in order to smear people and organizations which
you hate?

Kurt Stele



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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:

>  Since we know in advance that this document is a forgery I've not to be worry
>so much about it, but for the new readers: my definition of a genuine document
>is a document either a) which make sense either b) which would support the exter-
>mination claim but which is signed by a SS who didn't fall in the hand of the
>allieds or especially the soviets. There's a lot of those people. This is the
>only one I wasn't able to locate but you know Dan? I know in advance that this
>one is a typewritten document that bears no signature or a typewritten signature.
>In some very rare cases I consider that a SS (like Wetzel ) made a deal in exchan-
>ge of immunity for such a post-war collaboration but most of the time, such
>kind of incriminating documents are just 'certified copies'. Why are you throwing
>such scrap on the net if you know in advance that you havn't anything serious
>in the hands? A genuine document written by Globocnik 6 months later don't
>mention gold teeths for the Reinhard action. I'll try toi check this reference
>but there's no suspense when I know in advance how the document will be descri-
>bed...

There's Keren again posting knowingly false documents on the net, trying to deceive the
goyim.  

Poor little hoax.

Kurt Stele



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alec@tor250.org   (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>>This is just blatent racism.
>>
>>How did the question of their race become important? I will bet you
>>dollars to donuts that other families have used the same or different
>>loopholes.

>Actually it didn't even involve any special loophole. Bronfman moved it
>out before any taxes would have come into effect.

>Did it result in lost taxes for Quebec? Only if Bronfman hadn't done
>like so many others and gotten it out while the getting was good.

>My wife and I got out in 1981.

>Was it good for the province that we left?

>Who cares? It's not a requirement.

>DuPont of Canada quietly left even earlier. They, MOST DEFINITELY,
>aren't Jewish!

>Sun Life left.

>The Bank of Montreal left.

>Has this hurt Quebec?

>I hope so.

>Enough hurts like that and they may wake up to what they're doing TO
>THEMSELVES.

Go Quebec!  Hooray for QUEBEC!

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Jew "Moshe" Defends Torture of Palestinians as "Necessary"
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Moshe@idirect.com (Just Moshe) wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 21:41:52 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>III. THE VICTIMS
>>    
>>'Abd al-Ra'uf Ghabin 

>>'Abd al-Ra'uf Ghabin was accused of being involved in the
>>printing and distributions of leaflets of the Popular Front
>>for the Liberation of Palestine and was arrested in August
>>1990.  He was initially interrogated but was then placed in
>>administrative detention without charge or trial until
>>August 1991.  He denied the accusations and said in an
>>affidavit in September 1990 that after his arrest he was
>>deprived of sleep for three weeks, with breaks at week-ends
>>and for one other period of two hours: 

>	You do not understand how necessary this all is.  
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now watch -- the Jews on alt.revisionism will be crowing "Bwwaawk!  he's a troller!  He's
a troller!  Bwwaawk!  No Jew could possibly ever do THAT!  Bwwaawk!"  

Really?  Is that why the Israelis torture Palestinians?

Bye Bye.

Kurt Stele

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
wars of politics and possession."  

Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.





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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:

>In article <543n9q$f0l@is05.micron.net> kurtstel@micron.net "Kurt Stele" writes:

>> The Jewish Secretary Robin Cook just said England is going to criminalize
>>  Holocaust
>> denial.    

>Robin Cook is not a Jew.

I stand corrected.  -HOWARD- is the prominent Jew responsible for the confiscation of
"undesirable" manuscripts in merry Orwellian England, where Jews have outlawed "hate."
You are right.

Kurt Stele




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Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) wrote:

>Dene Bebbington  wrote:

>----------------------

>*"... after all, who'd notice another madman around here?!"

>Depends on who the madman is, if it's that loony Exterminationist Dene
>Bebbington, he'd notice himself. Seems to forget the following list of
>irrefutable FACTS:

>1)  Jean-Clause Pressac, a French provicial pharamicist was hired by
>the Karsfeld Foundation, professional Nazi-hunters to write the
>definative refutation of Revisionism. M. Pressac ended up with his
>foot in his mouth! Not only did he take the already 80% reduction in
>the number of inmates who died >of all causes< at Auschwitz---the
>Polish Government had reduced it from 4 million to 1 million (despite
>the "irrefutable proof" presented at the Nuremberg Kangaroo Court that
>4 million PLUS had perished at Auschwitz)--Pressac reduced it another
>30%! Huh? When the rest of his "factual" presentation began to fall
>apart, poor Jean-Claude was reduced to tears: "Well it don't know how
>it [The Holocaust-TM] happened. I just know it HAD to happen!"

[snipped for time]

I'm saving this one.  This is one of Ursus' best.

Kurt Stele



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alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>The costs of kosher meat are borne by the buyers - Jews.

ALL consumers are forced to foot the bill liar.

> KS> It's only cost effective compared to other ways of providing the
> KS> same special Jewish privilege.  Not cost effective compared to
> KS> doing away with this superstitious, Jewish rivilege altogther,

>Cost effective as in it lowers the cost below that of not doing it.

Oh yes.   Having to pay extra for kosher tin-foil is cost-effective for everybody!

Kurt Stele



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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>Not that it's relevant, but since you keep insisting thast it is:


>	Washington, D.C. October 21, 1939
>	A newly appointed Advisory Committee on Uranium met here to consider
>	the possibility of building weapons of almost unlimited
>	destructive power. The committee was created by President 
>	Roosevelt after he received a letter from Albert Einstein saying
>	that "vast amounts of power" could be released by setting up 
>	nuclear chain reactions in a large mass of uranium.  There are
>	indications that German scientists are already working on such a
>	uranium bomb, the Einstein letter warned.

>	-Chronicle of America, Chronicle Publications p 686


How does this in any way PROVE Germany was an AGGRESSIVE threat to the United States?   

It DOESN'T!

Hitler's goal was White unity not White eradication.    DUH!

ONCE AGAIN, you provide no evidence for any of your cliche-filled assertions:

1)  That the US entered the war to destroy a "German Nuclear Program"

2)  That Germany had they possessed nuclear ability would have been an "
aggressive threat against the U.S." despite Hitler avowed goal of White unity;

3)   That Hitler "determined goal" was the "enslavement and eradication of other peoples"

ONCE AGAIN, you provide NOTHING to support your positions.

Here's Kimberly Ahlf claiming that Hitler stated his goal was "enslaving and destroying
other races":  

>So you equate Lindbergh's wish to preserve his own racial heritage with
>Adolf Hitler's stated goal of enslaving and destroying the other races?

Here's what Kimberly Ahlf PRESENTS to "prove" (sic) her claim that Hitler "stated his GOAL
was enslaving and destroying the other races": 

>" it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over
>nations.  No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the
>sword."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler, Houghton Mifflin, p651

Where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and eradicating the other races"?  

NOWHERE!

You are a cliche-filled lying boob and a moron.   You cannot and have not support your
weak assertions.   Try again.

Kurt Stele

 "Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
 It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
 follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
 race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
 our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
 and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
 Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
 wars of politics and possession."  
 
 Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.
 
[snip!] 




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>	Holocaust revisionism questions the accuracy of a historical
>event.

>	The Christians seem to be able to take it with a certain grace. 

>	For those who are dependent on the Holocaust story, it's "Hate",
>"neo-Nazi", "Racist" - "anti-Semitism".
> 	 	 	       
>	There is something really different between reactions.
>	
>	Something disproportionate.
>     
>	Something quite unaesthetic.

>	Something ugly.

>	Something weak.	

It is the brash, brazen Jewish way you are referring to.  It is distinct and to the
relative European gentility and modesty it is ODIOUS.

I am not Christian.   However, you can revise Christ as a homosexual, a pedophile, say he
slept with Mary, and the most you will receive is a motion picture boycott from
Christians.   

But revise the Holocaust Lie?   --- ho, ho!  We're talking "Thoughtcrime" laws, supression
by the Jew-controlled mass media, imprisonment, and character assassination. 

Kurt Stele



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Dene Bebbington  wrote:

>I never actually said it was OK to imprison people for publicly denying
>the Holocaust, just that I hadn't decided for sure. As for Nazi's not
>doing that, they committed far worse and heinous acts than imprisoning
>people. But in your moral landscape starting major land wars, invading
>surrounding countries, and comitting mass murder seem to be merely
>insignificant points of history not to be condemned or bothered about.

"Starting major land wars."  You obviously only know as much about WWII as your mommy
professor taught you.  The Allies were trying for YEARS to get Hitler into a war, as
international finance hated him for refusing their gold system, and succeeding.   Read
about Roosevelt's Naval War against Hitler, attacking and sinking German seagoing vessels
on the high seas to lure Hitler into a war before 1939.   Yet Hitler refused.   It is
Britain who first began bombing open German cities.   Invading surrounding territories?
Terrorities carved up at Versailles which had huge German constituencies in them?  Taking
back what was stolen from them and deliberately truncated from the German people to divide
them and punish them?    

Yet undoubtedly you would bend over backwards and kiss your own ass to defend the Israeli
takeover of Arab lands, places that had NO Jewish constituency living in them.  

>>You are Orwellian as you consider imprisoning people who doubt an alleged event.

>Sloganeering.

You consider imprisoning doubters a "viable" option and are far worse than a totalitarian
as you dress-up your censorship in contemptible "tolerance" pablum.  

Kurt Stele





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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>Mr. Stele, on the last thread you started on the subject of Lindbergh,
>which I challenged, I answered and explained all of your questions and
>challenges to me. But to date you have produced none of the evidence
>requested of you, whereas I have either produced and cited evidence, or
>expained how the evidence you requested was an irrelevant obfuscation of
>the debate.

>Now you have started a new thread on this same subject.

>This time do you intend to extend the same courtesy in responding to my
>questions that I have extended to you in the past, or are you going to
>hold fast to your belief that you need only exclaim "moron!" or "Jewish!"
>in order to fulfill your obligations when challenged in honest debate?

>Let me know.

Sure.  Let's go back to that original thread.  You got a pen?  You can begin writing down
all the thing I asked from you that you have imcompetently failed to produce, but your
trip to the library.  I wll mark the several places you have failed to produce anything
but air-headed drivel to support your assertions, as ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n, OK?   Let's begin:

-------------begin---------------

Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>So the fact that Hitler had invaded nearly the entire land mass of Europe,
>forayed into Africa, and sunk US shipping in the Gulf of Mexico did not
>signify Hitler's determination to dominate the world, whether directly or
>through an axis alliance?  This, not to mention Hitler's nuclear and
>rocket programs did not constitute a threat to the US's well-being?

So what?  The Soviets had obvious aims for nuclear weapons; and yet the U.S. allied
themselves with the Soviets.  What's your point?  That no other country besides the U.S.
(and Israel of course -- they have the same rulers anyway) should be allowed to have
nuclear weapons?  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^#1


Please post the evidence that the U.S. went to war with Germany because of the "German
nuclear program".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  #2


I'll wait your evidence.  Apparently, you are an "expert" (sic) in these matters.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So you equate Lindbergh's wish to preserve his own racial heritage with
>Adolf Hitler's stated goal of enslaving and destroying the other races?
>Could you please provide the Lindbergh quote that illustrates his desire
>to see the Jews annihilated as "our part in [our race's] protection"?

Please post Adolf Hitler's plans and goals to "enslave and destroy other races."  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^#3

I'll be waiting for your posts on this.  Don't forget it.
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
My, you are truly are an "expert" (sic) in these matters.  (not)

Then you can post proof of a world Hitlerian design which you claim Hitler had, one that
even included the U.S., far less all of Europe.  

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^#4
You are as cliched-filled as any boob on the street

>In the interest of debate, I will grant that Lindbergh, a great aviator
>(like Goering), was a pernicious, virulent racist.  So, I would say, was
>one of our great presidents, Teddy Roosevelt.  I would also say that these
>lapses in moral character make them victims of their culture and times, 
>and detract only slightly from their other great accomplishments.  Hitler,
>by the same token a victim of his culture and times, should be similarly
>measured by his accomplishments, such as instigating the most brutal war
>in history and the murder of 12,000 men, women and children.

(12,000?) 

No, Jews instigated World War II because Germany wisely refused Jews participation in its
economy and state for the health and benefit of the German people.  Jews were
war-mongering long before WWII began and pulling every string to get the U.S. in the war.
The U.S. had no legimitate interest in a local European border dispute.   

Jews also instigated WWI as is well-known.   (Please post proof refuting Ben Friedman's
expose revealing Jewish control of WWI).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^#5  

-----------end-----------------

Obviously, I requested evidence for your hysterical, cliche-filled, sweeping
generalization and you studiously chose to ignore these requests.  Then you have the
ovaries to claim that -I- was evading the argument?  It's fairly clear now WHO is evading
the arguments.

My, we certainly have our work cut out for us, don't we!   Supporting one's cliched
generalizations can a bitch, can't it?  

Waiting to hear from you soon,

Kurt Stele



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CyberGuy  wrote:

>First - not that it matters - I am not Jewish.  Just a baby boomer.

>I read this pathetic crap by obvious psychotics who would deny
>historical FACT.  

>So you slimy NAZI scum - HOW MANY DID YOU BUTCHER IN YOUR LAST LIFE THAT
>YOU NOW HAVE TO DENY IT EVER HAPPENED TO MAINTAIN YOUR STATE OF AMNESIA?

>Either that, or get some guts and face what happened to YOU.  If you
>went to the ovens, it would not have been pleasant, but it was only a
>body.  The spirit is immortal and can not be killed.  You can only
>counterfeit death by pretending you never lived before.

>Do your research.  The NAZIs pushed a RELIGION.  They thought that the
>earth had been subject to a great cataclysm and that the races pre and
>post cataclysm were different.  Pre cataclysm were somehow not "really"
>people.  What a load of crap.  The soul has no colour or race.  There
>was even an off planet connection.  Mein Kamph was put on the alters of
>looted churches.  Elite SS fucked the best german babes on the coffins
>of old Teutonic knights to entice the souls back to new bodies for the
>Reich.  

>In 1879 in Leipzig - Wilhelm Wundt proposed that he could develope a
>'SCIENCE" which could be used to bend conquored populations to the will
>of Bismark.  It posited that man was only an animal and was inherently
>self centered and evil and had to be controlled or would commit criminal
>antisocial acts and that the soul - the ACTUAL "life" which animates the
>body did not exist at all.  They must have been looking into the burned
>out cinders of their own souls and their own psychotic criminality for a
>model for their fellow man.  This fake 'science' is "Psychiatry" which
>denies its own name PSYCHE = SPIRIT   ATRIA = TO HEAL.  Of course if all
>men were Animals, then it would be perfectly OK to butcher them on
>abattle field and it justified Bismarks war ambitions.  These hideous
>creatures had Hitler in their hands for 'treatment' and in FACT the
>death camps began with efrorts to exterminate MENTAL PAIIENTS by the
>hundreds of thousands.  The head of the American Psychiatric Association
>just LOVED the NAZI ideas and was so 'sad' he couldnt fully implement
>them in the US, but stated that the aim of Psychiatry was to ABOLISH THE
>CONCEPT OF RIGHT AND WRONG ( odd since this is the legal definition of
>SANITY - able to tell the difference ).  So look at what you are
>supporting - one of these criminals might get ahold of you (if the rest
>of us are lucky).

>So you stinking pusilanimous bastards who spout such terms as 'hollo
>huggers'  WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES AND IN WHAT LIFE THAT YOU MUST FROTH SO
>TO SAY IT NEVER HAPPENED????? YOU   W  I  S  H  !!!!  Or are you such a
>coward that you now have to be on the other side to pretend that you
>were never gassed so you dont have to face your own death????  You have
>died millions of times and are a spiritual being and cant be killed
>anyhow, so why not just face it?

>Go ahead, make my day you nazi pigs.

Now, where did you say the proof for the "Holocaust" was?

Kurt Stele



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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:


>	You.  There is absolutely no question that they were members of the 
>NA.

Wrong.  They were not members of the NA.  You are a lying sack of shit as usual.

Kurt Stele



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Jean-Francois Beaulieu  wrote:

> gord mcphee wrote:

>> Bullshit.  Former SS admitted that a Sonderaktion was a codeword for killing. 
>> Eichmann admitted it; I would assume he would know.  Franz Suchomel admitted
>> it--he was an SS guard.


>   London Times , Saturday, April 27, 1946:

>  Streicher statement:

> Raising his voice to a shrill cry, he declared that after he found himself in
> allied captivity he was kept for four days in a cell without clothes. "I was
> made to kiss negroes' feet. I was whipped. I had to drink saliva," he declared.
> He pause paused for breath, and then screamed: "My mouth was forced open with
> a piece of wood wood, and then I was spat on. When I asked for a drink of water
> I was taken to a la latrine and told, 'Drink'. These are the sort of things the
> Gestapo has been blam blamed for."

Now those sweet darling Allied soldiers wouldn't mistreat any Germans, would they?  And
I'm sure they wouldn't even THINK about using coercion to extract confessions.  No sir.

I guess they take us for fools.

Kurt Stele



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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>tom moran wrote:
>> 
>>                         The Holocasut Extortion Racket
>[..]
> 
>>         The Holocaust is and has been used to extract money from the
>> United States. The treasury records would show at least 150 billion
>> dollars given to Israel and/or other nations to buy their acceptance
>> of the Jewish state.

> And yet, no citation of this 150 billion dollar claim.

> I don't trust you.

150 billion?  Ah it's way more than that.

>>         Ex-Secretary of State, George Ball, in a book estimates over 500
>> billion dollars has been lost on the Jewish state, 

Now that's getting a little closer.

>>  As of late, the Jews have been engaged in new angles to extort
>> money from a variety of countries, evidently in a rush to get as much
>> as they can before the story collapses into the realms of fiction.

>And your unsupported anti-semitism rings loud and clear.

Again the bogus knee-jerk "anti-semitism" slur for having mentioned the word "Jews."

Can't do that.  The purpose of the "anti-semitism" [all rights reserved] slur is to attack
anyone who 1) mentions "Jews" 2) negatively in any way.   It's a fine obfuscation to
thwart any and all criticism of Jews (as if they were perfect --  yikes!!!) and has works
marvellously for years.

Kurt Stele 



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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>  Wrong.  They were not members of the NA.  You are a lying sack of shit as usual.

>	That's strange.  They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of 
>Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.

>	--YFE

They were not NA members nor have they ever been you lying scum-sucking dirtbag. You are
bluffing sack of shit, a Jew AND a lawyer, the worst of the worst. 

Brian Smith



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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>>   kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>>>  yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>>  Wrong.  They were not members of the NA.  You are a lying sack of shit as usual.

>>	That's strange.  They filed a motion with the Court of Common Pleas of 
>>Lehigh County swearing, under oath, that they were.

>>	--YFE

>They were not NA members nor have they ever been you lying scum-sucking dirtbag. You are
>bluffing sack of shit, a Jew AND a lawyer, the worst of the worst. 

>Brian Smith

There you go, Yale.  Straight from an NA member!  Now what do you say to that, eh?

Kurt Stele



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jtoth@infobahnos.com (Judith Toth) wrote:

>kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>>In article <5495dt$pvr@news1.total.net>, jtoth@infobahnos.com wrote:

>>>it again unless you make a special effort." ???? Not on my Free Agent
>>>program! How is it that I can read ALL postings going back to
>>>September 19th, 1996? ALL OF IT! However I noticed some others are
>>>missing also.  I posted my THE RED RAPISTS OF ILYA EHRENBURG [under a
>>>separate heading, and not a "Follow up Article" days before Keren and
>>>Power did.

>>...which proves nothing, of course, except that you can't find
>>it. I can - there are now three copies of your copious text
>>archived here - in two places. It would take all of 10-15
>>seconds to find them all with Nizkor's search engine.

>>I think you are Moran's sister.
>------------------------------------------------
>TOTH ANSWERS  MR...... MCVAY:<<< No, I am not related to Mr. Moran,
>and are you related to  Leo Bronstein-Trotzky?
>	So far I have at least SIX of my articles deleted from alt.rev. Of
>course I cannot watch for everybody else's postings but I noticed that
>a lot of others ARE  missing also, ones I have seen there before.
>	I bet my postings are on the archives of NIZKOR, silly where else
>would they be? You want me to be surprised on this? [Schwartz has no
>use for them in their smoke meat sandwiches!] That's what the secret
>police is doing in Eastern Europe too:  RECORD EVERY "EVIDENCE"
>possible against the "enemy of the peoples' democracy"! Just because
>NIZKOR's archives have all of my postings that doesn't mean NEWSNET
>has them for everyone else to see also
>Judit Toth
>Ocotber 19/96
>----------------------.

Remember the Jewish motto:   "Never forget, Never forgive!"   The first thing Jews did
when they set up Soviet Communism is make "anti-Semitism" a crime punishable by death.
Nizkor is archiving the posts of future "thoughtcriminals" which will come in handy for
future use as threats and terrorism in one form or another when Amerika also outlaws
Holocaust doubt.

But it will all be for our own good though, of course.  Wouldn't want people to be
thinking and speaking the "wrong" thoughts, now.  What would we do without the benevolent
Self-Chosen looking over us!  Kind of brings a tear of gratitude to my eye. (sniff)

Maybe revisionists today should sign all their posts with "just kidding" as a hedge
against future criminal indictment?

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust ..Nightmares
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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>Chuck Ferree submits the following from The Cybrary of the Holocaust


>From Maxine Shoshanna Persaud, Toronto, Canada: 

>Many years ago I wrote the following words into my diary on a night when
>my parents were having a
>particularly hard time coping with life. Life, not as we see it , but as
>seen through the eyes of Holocaust
>survivors. I could not comfort them that night and so I wrote this in
>the hope that I could absorb some of their
>pain, so that they might live again, not merely exist. I wanted to
>communicate what they could not. Since then,
>I have learned that words, even the words of the survivors themselves,
>pale when compared to the atrocities
>commited against them by the nazis.

>That time so long ago and yet,
>so near
>They gassed the beaten then,
>melted them
>Like the hot wax of a shabbos candle
>The blood stained ball of each rising sun,
>and I,
>formed only by G-d's will not word,
>living only on the dreams of 
>the two that would conceive me,
>cried out in anguish,
>lamented,
>in my invisible, outraged soul.
>For those whose earthly screams,
>were forever silenced,
>In a world where few can still hear
>their tortured echoes.
>Crimes against humanity never die,
>only the victims.
>And we all suffer the legacy.
>--------------------------------

This is real gothic stuff, Chuck.  Kind of reminds me of the scary poems by early
Christians talking about the ghoulish evils of Hell, Satan, demons, and witchcraft. 

Happy Halloween to you too, Chuck.  Don't forget to close the closet door and look under
the bed before you go to sleep.

Kurt Stele



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Chuck Ferree  wrote:

>Jean-Francois Bealieu. And who I might ask, the hell are you?
>And why is it that you jump in here in a conversation between me and a 
>friend and infer that I lie about my Holocaust experiences? You then, 
>use another secret, unreachable screen name to further cast insults my 
>way. I question your motives, I question your being, I question why 
>you are such a chickenshit son of a bitch, that you won't come out in 
>the open and fight like a man, unless you aren't a man, in which case 
>you must be a real bitchy woman. Whatever or where-ever you are, you 
>either apologize to me and my friend or stay the hell out of my face. 
>Get it, you whimpy little bastid?

>You of course can back this up with facts! If you don't, I take you to 
>be just another turkey with too much time on their hands, and who 
>likes to harrass others. Either way, you better watch it, pal, because 
>if and when I find you your old wrinkled ass belongs to me.

>Chuck

Doesn't it seem "Chuck Feree" has an -awful- lot of energy and testosterone for someone
supposedly a septuagenarian?  The only thing keeping me from discounting his claimed age
outright is his marked inability to compose cogent arguments.

Kurt Stele



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Subject: Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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crs0794@inforamp.net (Geoffrey Welsh) wrote:

>>Is it that someone in revenue Canada has finally realised that the JEWS
>>seem to be getting away with swindling the Canadian Tax department, and
>>the rest of Canadian taxpayers, of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS??

>You should be imprisoned for such blatant LYING.

How is he lying?  The Jews were wrongly making millions for themselves through a
charitable loophole.  Are you still-brained?

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:

>The Zundelgrams are posted to alt.fan.ernst-zundel and alt.revisionism
>daily, unedited. The opinions expressed do not represent the views of the
>poster, who is not the author. See X-Headers for relevant URLs. A good
>place to start is http://www.nizkor.org/features/ or, if you're in Europe,
>http://www1.de.nizkor.org/nizkor/

>------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------

>October 18, 1996

>Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

>I remember the shock I felt the first time I saw the posters that were
>littered by the thousands in downtown Toronto advocating assassinating
>Ernst Zundel by showing his face in the cross hairs of a rifle.  I would be
>hard-pressed to compare these posters to anything nearly as vicious that a
>mob could get away with in what is still supposed to be a Western democracy
>that I have ever seen.  Ernst told me in a phone call that night that some
>of his comrades had actually identified well-known members of the Marxist
>ARA, paint pot in hand, whereupon Ernst called Metro Police asking for
>their assistance and protection and pleaded with them to arrest the
>terrorists.  Police chose not to check.

>Now there is more.

>Advocating an "all day PICKET with speakers, music and kosher barbecue,"
>and describing themselves as representing "Immigrants and refugees, people
>of colour, disabled people, Jewish people, youth . .  we're all being
>attacked but we're gonna fight back!" these Marxist, Anti-Racist-Action
>terrorists, still flushed and flush with the success of the $8,000 grant
>they received, courtesy of the tax payers of the province of Ontario
>through the Trillion Foundation, and another $8,000 thanks to the Metro
>Toronto Council, have put out thousands of additional terrorist posters in
>downtown Toronto yesterday.

Oh yes, these "diversity activist" squads are comprised mostly of hippie-pinkos, tye-tied
Berkeley freaks, non-Whites, homos, and race-mixing trash, with Jews invariably at their
helms.  I'd like to meet this bedraggled, rag-tag motley crew of riffraff on the open
field.   These "humane" crusaders prate about "equality" and "hatred" while calling for
the Zundel's murder.  Talk about morally degenerate slime.

A few years back in Washington D.C. a squad of these dregs held a rally out on the lawn
for "human awareness" day.  They prated about the "evil" of White racism.  Lo and behold,
a gang of "Black youths" rampaged through the site smashing their "human equality" banners
and beating up these despicable wretches, while the whole time the race-traitors screamed
for mercy from the Black thugs "Wait!  We hate our race!  We hate our race!"   I think
about 8 of them were hospitalized.   It didn't seem their hatred of their race earned 'em
any points from the Black thugs.  I tend to think they were beaten harder for it.  

You can bet Jews were involved in mobilizing this mob against Zundel too.  The mob called
for Zundel's lynching.  And for Holocaust doubt!   Then again those Jews do tend to be
vindictive.   It seems their chauvanistic culture encourages this sort of behavior.  Too
bad, though.  They're going to have to wipe us out completely before we all bow before
their hook-nosed "Self-Chosen" asses.  Their Holocaust Lie is going DOWN!  European
objectivity meets Judaic superstition.  The latter is gonna get thrown.   

No Lie can stand forever.   There's something about the Universe that doesn't love a Lie.
Maybe it's time Jews learned that Truth is more important than money and control.  But
that would mean changing their values, their nature.    

Kurt Stele

"Those Jews who still want to be the chosen race can go to Palestine and stew in their own
juice.  The rest had better stop being Jews and start being human beings."  

George Bernard Shaw (_Literary Digest_, October 12, 1932)



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Subject: Re: The plunder of the victims:retractation
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mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>>There's Keren again posting knowingly false documents on the net, trying
>>to deceive the goyim. 

>    There's Stele again, proving he can't read with comprehension.

>    Let me explain this one to you real slowly.

>    Mr. Beaulieu posted a followup to Dr. Keren's document, saying it was
>a forgery.  The text I left in above is from his first post.

>    The main reason he said it was a forgery is because the numbers were
>unrealistic.

>    However, in his _second_ post, he admitted that he read too quickly,
>and that what he thought was 20,000 kilograms was really 20.000 kg.  (In
>case you don't know, in Europe they use a comma where Americans use a
>decimal point and vice versa.)

>    He said that with the lower number, the document was credible.  He did
>not accept it as genuine, but he said it was not proved a forgery by
>unrealistic numbers, as he first thought.  But you cut all that text out
>of your followup.

>    I would have thought that the word "retraction" might have given you a
>clue.  But I guess not.


>>Poor little hoax.

>    Illiterate little Stele.

>    Or is it dishonest little Stele?

>    Of course the two are not mutually exclusive.

Er, uh, Mike, did you even bother to read JFB's post?:  

"I know in advance that this one is a typewritten document that bears no signature or a 
typewritten signature. In some very rare cases I consider that a SS (like Wetzel ) made a
deal in exchange of immunity for such a post-war collaboration but most of the time, such
kind of incriminating documents are just 'certified copies'. Why are you throwing
such scrap on the net if you know in advance that you havn't anything serious
in the hands?"

The document Keren posted is a FORGERY.  Do you understand the term?  No signature or even
a typewritten one!   Keren is indeed posting "crap" to fool people into believing the
hoaxsters have "real" documentary evidence of extermination by gassing, which they DON'T.
Hello, Mike "Stein".  Knock, knock.. 

Nice try.   Not.

Dimwit.

Kurt Stele



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mstein@access4.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>In article <326c7f2a.1383450@199.0.216.204>,
>tom moran  wrote:
>>
>>	When you givbe testimony it should be "literally".

>    People still use figures of speech, even in testimony.

This is garbage.  They want idiotic, metaphoric, and exaggerative testimony to be taken
seriously enough to frame Germans yet when someone points out how absurd it is then they
claim "Oh, it's just metaphorical.  You are unreasonable to take it so seriously."  

Kurt Stele



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carol1@apple.com (Andrew) wrote:

>In article <549dp4$qtl@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>> 
>> >The costs of kosher meat are borne by the buyers - Jews.
>> 
>> ALL consumers are forced to foot the bill liar.

>What about U.L. listings of items?  Why should I pay for
>these items to be 'safety' tested?  I should be able to
>decide for myself if I want my lamps 'tested'.  This is
>a TAX imposed on us by the evil people amongst us who
>want us to pay for their safety agenda.  Do you know how
>much it costs to be 'tested'?  It can cost thousands of
>dollars for only a few days work.  Just so that symbol
>"U.L" can appear on products so a small minority can
>buy satisfy their elders dictates.

The rest of the population is made to foot the bill for Jewish custom while Jews are a
small minority.   It is outrageous.  And they have LAWS to enforce that the Jewish custom
is observed, municipal kosher food inspection laws.  Yet Jews whine about Church and State
separation when it suits THEM.   More Jewish hypocrisy.  

Kurt Stele





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bl199@freenet2.carleton.ca (Fred Parker) wrote:


>In article ,
>  wrote:
>>The question regarding the BRONFMAN JEWS is extremely significant, because
>>these JEWS moved out of Canada more money, without paying their taxes,
>>than all other tax cheats in the history of Canada!!!
>>
>>2.2 BILLION dollars is enough to pay off some provinces' provincial debt.
>>
>>2.2 billion dollars could pay for thousands of newly created jobs.Even you
>>might have been able to get paid more for whatever you do, had the Quebec
>>and federal governments received their Income taxes on this illegally
>>moved 2.2 billion dollars.
>>
>>Because of the shortage of this money, now Chinese immigrants are to be
>>swindled, on their overseas assets, while the gwaliau JEW BRONFMANs are
>>allowed to swindle Revenue Canada, with impunity!!!

The U.S. tail gives the Israel dog 2.8 BILLION every year and that is only according to
official estimates.   It's actually closer to 5 billion.  

Kurt Stele






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 wrote:

>Where is there any racist issue, since JEWS are NOT a race, according to
>them? How do you compare Sammy davis with Elizabeth Taylor, other than
>both got paid for acting?This constitutes a race??

Jews are anything when they want to be it.  They are a "people" when it comes to the bogus
Holocaust.  Then they morph into a religion whenever anyone criticizes their greed, lies,
and destructive acts.  ("We don't exist.  Hee hee.")  

I guess anti-semitism doesn't exist.  You can't be "anti-" something that doesn't exist.

A famous man once observed:

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic.  

"First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary and then, when their was no other
way out, they themselves simply played stupid.  If all this didn't help, they pretended
not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted
platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different
matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what
you were talking about.  

"Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like
slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected
again.  But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by
the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at
least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day.  

"The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old
nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected
amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his
assertions the previous day.  

"Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.  I didn't know what to be more amazed at:  the
agility of their tongues of their virtuosity at lying."  

Kurt Stele





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gyagoda@lubyanka.ogpu.ru (Genrikh Yagoda) wrote:

>In <548h5t$2uc@bilbo.reference.com> joelr@icicle.winternet.com writes:

>> On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:11:01 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>> > ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>> > 
>> > >>        And who should we assume is and has been feeding this government
>> > >>computer base with the names of people with "terrorist traits"?
>> > 
>> > >>        The ADL, The Simon Wiesenthal Center, The World Jewish Congress,
>> > >>Mossad, and well ... all the rest.
>> > 
>> > >That would be very nice; we'd all be much safer.
>> > 
>> > It would be safer for you and the rest of your Jewish ilk, perhaps..
>> 
>> And everybody else, as well.  I don't know if you've noticed,
>> but when your asshole buddies blow up a building or a plane, everybody
>> on it tends to get hurt.

>It's folks like your friends who blow up buildings and airplanes, patsy.

Jews want only want terrorism when it benefits THEM.   (Cf. Menachphlegm Begin, ertstwhile
terrorist for Israel).  

Kurt Stele



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hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote:

>From: The Globe and Mail, Saturday, Oct. 19/96 Page D5

>[All ellipses and typos mine.  hro]

>_Nazism_
>When history is written by bad men
>By Jacob Heilbrunn
>The New Republic

>"David Irving, author of a sympathetic new biography of Joseph
>Goebbels, is revered by some as a serious scholar.  To others he is a
>vicious anti-Semite"

>

>[...] A British historian who views Nazism with nostalgia, Mr. Irving
>has begun to depict himself as a victim of an international conspiracy
>aimed at suppressing him and his works.

>Mr. Irving's difficulties have elicited sympathy from some unexpected
>quarters.  Writing in the June issue of Vanity Fair, Christopher
>Hitchens dismissed Mr. Irving's critics as "hysterical and
>old-maidish" and hailed Mr. Irving as a "great historian of Fascism."
>Even more surpisingly, Gordon Craig, the dean of German historians,
>also weighed in on Mr. Irving's behalf.  In the Sept. 19 New York
>Review of Books, Mr. Craig reminded his readers that historical truth
>is not engraved in stone.  Like Mr. Hitchens, he depicted Mr. Irving
>as a serious historian with a few eccentric views about the Holocaust.

>I took Mr. Craig's admonition to heart.  When Mr. Irving appeared at
>an advertised luncheon in his honour at the Polo India Club Restaurant
>in Washington on Sept. 15, I went. [...]

>[Snip description and excerpts from Irving's July 1996 Action Report]


>[...] Perhaps the most notable feature of the Action Report was Mr.
>Irving's own running diary in which he called [Wermacht veteran
>Reinhold] Elstner a "hero."  My curiosity piqued, I phoned the number
>listed for more information about Mr. Irving's luncheon and was
>heartily welcomed by one Andrew L. Gray, a Washington rentier [sic]
>who was hosting the event.

>I arrived at 12 o'clock sharp to find Mr. Irving aranging his books
>for sale across from a framed self-portrait by Hitler he had brought
>for the occasion. [...]  In all, there were about 15 of us: a gym
>instructor from Bethesda, an elderly German couple and several
>nondescript men who might have been mid-level government bureaucrats.

>As we milled around Mr. Irving, he unleashed a litany of complaints.
>The object of his wrath that day was the Jewish Board of Deputies in
>London.  "They're the ones who sent the report to Canada that ended up
>in my being deported in handcuffs," Mr. Irving said, "by an
>immigration official who looked like a real immigrant."

>[...]

>During a lull in the conversation, I asked Mr. Iriving about a comment
>he'd made earlier:  that critics saw the message of his new books as,
>in Thomas McCormack's words, "the Jews brought it on themselves."  Mr.
>Irving paused.  The first boycott of Jewish-owned businesses was
>preceded, he explained, "by a Jewish declaration of war on Germany.
>The Nazis were simply retaliating."  Anyway, he added in a mocking
>tone, Goebbels called the boycott for April 1, which was the Jewish
>Sabbath.  He was simply trying to get them to obey their own faith.

>[...]

>[...] Mr. Irving said he couldn't help noticing that the letters from
>publishers in New York are more and more often signed with names like
>"Goldberg."  Why not go with a publisher other than the New York ones,
>asked a white-haired man who looked like a colonel from the Raj.
>"No," Mr. Irving replied, "I will not do that.  I can't go to a lesser
>publisher.  That means giving in to the enemy."

>The enemy.   Mr. Irving did not need to spell out to his acolytes who
>that was.  His Goebbels biography makes it abundantly clear who the
>enemies are and who the heroes.

>[Snip book details]

>In short, Mr. Irving's books cannot be divorced from the man and his
>historical mission.  That mission is to normalize Hitler and Nazism so
>as to remove the unique stain of the Final Solution from Germany.
>[...] since the second World War, it has been taboo in the West to
>espouse anti-Semitism publicly.  Mr. Irving's project is to smash this
>taboo.

>But good history does not have to be produced by bad men.  Challenges
>to accepted historical verities have been produced by many scholars
>over the years, scholars who are constantly wrangling over every
>conceivable aspect of German history.  Mr. Irving has made no
>contributions to these debates.

>If revising British and American history has meant toppling heroes
>[...]  from their plinths, revisionism has taken on a rather different
>meaning when it comes to Germany.  The statues have already been
>smashed.  The challenge facing the would-be revisionist is to sweep
>the shards under the rug and attempt to start with a fresh mold.  But
>as the symbol of human evil Auschwitz has resisted both denial and
>relativization.

>Mr. Craig to the contrary, there are certain absolute truths in
>history, or at least truths that it is futile to dispute.  We know
>that the Holocaust occurred.  This is not a topic for debate.  A
>reputable publisher does not have a moral obligation to publish a book
>by Mr. Irving; to give him the patina of respectability that he
>craves, for a book, moreover, that contains no revelations about
>Goebbels and much misinformation.

>Mr. Hitchens wrote that in meeting Mr. Irving, "I learned a lot in the
>process of doing so."  I learned nothing new about Nazism from David
>Irving.  I did learn that his hatred of the Jews is bottomless.

>

>hro

Hmmm.  So much dedicated to trying to smear David Irving as a Jew hater.

So little dedicated to refuting what the man says.

Par for the Holocourse.

Kurt Stele



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jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

>And neglect to mention altogether that Howard and the British
>Conservative party, to their credit, have resisted all requests to
>criminalize Holocaust denial.

What you fail to point out is that under the Jew Howard's "beneficent" rule people's homes
have been raided and people arrested for possessing of "incorrect" literature, and even
the seizure of "incorrect" manuscripts.  To be sure, Orwell-berg is alive and well in
England.  

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karlpov@access4.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) wrote:

>A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:

>>I've never heard of this article and am not particularly bothered. Did you
>>hear the one about the Auschwitz inmate who was allowed to ice skate on a 
>>lake ten miles away unsupervised? I thought not.

>Feel free to educate us all. I guess you just don't want to tell us
>why you think someone's memories of an after-dinner Rotary Club
>speech are adequate documentation to accuse the U.S. armed forces of
>crushing the testicles of 137 helpless German murderers of U.S. 
>prisoners of war.

Now he's claiming van Roden made it up for the amusement of his listeners.

Kurt Stele



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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>I'm sure he feels fine, but you and your team must feel pretty stupid right
>now.  You have implied that the Allies tortured Hoess and _forced_ him to
>write memoirs in which he

>- talked about them having tortured him
>- gave a _lower_ figure for people killed in Auschwitz than the Russians had
>given

>You guys are desperate.

Obviously, some parts of Hoess' memoirs could be forged or coerced.  Obviously some of it
could be true.  

The Holohuggers want it to be true.  You want it to be true?  Fine

-- Hoess writes the Sonderkommando went to work to remove bodies after the gassing,
"immediately" (no airing out!)  while also "eating and smoking."  Undoubtedly they were
using an advanced top secret Nazi gasmask with secret compartments for food inside, sort
of like what astronauts use, and also a two-way air-exchanger for smoke inhalation and CO
release.  Unfortunately the gasmask or any plans of its design have never been found but
we know eyetwitness testimony is good enough.  Right.

--Hoess admits he was "assigned" to write the "extemporaneous" memoirs!

Kurt Stele





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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>	But then I'd ask: what has this got to do with the Holocaust?
>>
>>	How do you go from "Israelis commit atrocities on the West Bank"
>>to "Nazis never committed atrocities in the concentration camps?"

>	The Holocaust story created the climate for the creation of
>Israel. Jew are constantly portraying themselves as victims of
>atrocities and yet at the same time commit them. The relentless
>onslaught of Holocaust in and on our medias is for two reasons. To
>keeps the money coming, and, to maintain support for Israel.
>	Enter Netscape. Type in "Holocaust" and you will see plenty of
>"Zionism". Type In "Holocaust" and you will see plenty of Israel. Type
>in "Zionism" and you will see plenty of "Holocaust".
>	Like a horse and carriage. Like Siamese twins. Like a woven
>clothe. 

Whenever Jews are attacked individually, it is called "anti-Semitism" or attacking the
entire race.  But when Jews commit atrocities in furtherance of Jewish interest, Jews
claims that they were just "individual Jews" acting "by themselves." 

It sort of like a chemical equation with an arrow only going one way.

Kurt Stele



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Brian Harmon  wrote:

>Knee-jerk my foot.  Moran is wailing about 'the Jews' extorting 
>money without any evidence in hand.

Jews?  Extort money?  Why, how could anyone think that?  What a bigot!

>You do realize that not all Jews supprt Israel, and not all
>Jews are the benefit of US-Israeli foreign aid, don't you?

Here we go with the laughable claim "Jews don't really stick together as a group."  Spare
me with that one.  How many Jewish groups are there, name just ONE, titled  "Jews Against
Extortionate Foreign Aid to Israel"?   Or "Jews against Israel."   There are White groups
named "race traitor" who oppose their own race, but there are no such groups for Jews.
That is because Jews stick together as everyone knows.

>> Can't do that.  The purpose of the "anti-semitism" [all rights reserved] slur is to attack
>> anyone who 1) mentions "Jews" 2) negatively in any way.   

>Anti-semitism is a correct moniker for anyone who uses the 
>term "Jew" in a perjorative fashion, Kurt.

And of course all criticism of Jews is then immediately classified as "perjorative."  

Good one.

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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>> >For those whose earthly screams,
>> >were forever silenced,
>> >In a world where few can still hear
>> >their tortured echoes.
>> >Crimes against humanity never die,
>> >only the victims.
>> >And we all suffer the legacy.
>> >--------------------------------
>> 
>> This is real gothic stuff, Chuck.  Kind of reminds me of the scary poems by early
>> Christians talking about the ghoulish evils of Hell, Satan, demons, and witchcraft. 

>And the accounts of early Christians who were persecuted and slaughtered
>by the Romans.  I give you credit- a very good parallel to the Jews in
>Nazi Germany.

No, see Kimberly "Ahlf" those poems were NOT referring to Roman slaughter, they were
referring to ghost, goblins and fairies.  And I do agree the parallel to the Holocaust is
highly apt.
 
>> Happy Halloween to you too, Chuck.  Don't forget to close the closet
>> door and look under the bed before you go to sleep.

>A true veteran of WWII and alt.revisionism, Mr. Ferree has faced greater
>terrors than you shall ever face, witnessed greater evils than you can
>ever hope to deny, and argued with more persuasion than you can ever hope
>to achieve.  A struggling novelist, Chuck nevertheless can only aspire to
>the level of fantasy exhibitted by the world you inhabit.

You sound like a struggling novelist yourself.

Kurt Stele



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carol1@apple.com (Andrew) wrote:

>How about when Christians ask companies to hire "chaplains" for
>the benefit of their employees?  Their salary must come from
>company profits which are passed on to customers.  Is this also
>an evil which must stop?

Private companies are not state-owned.   There are state laws enforcing kosher food.  It
is a blatant and obvious violation of Church and State and Jews get away with it only
because they are Jews.

Kurt Stele



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Dontreply@direct.ca (Jay North (Dennis)) wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Oct 1996 05:51:11 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:

>>The U.S. tail gives the Israel dog 2.8 BILLION every year and that is only according to
>>official estimates.   It's actually closer to 5 billion.  
>>
>>Kurt Stele
>>
>So what's your problem?  I bet you would also bitch if you were
>getting wouldn't you?  Is it the fact that it goes to Israel & not to
>you or is it that it is given at all?

This is actually one of the better rationalizations I have received,  more refreshing than
the old moronic "C'mon, Israel is our ally, nudge, nudge" pablum.

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: ::Yawn!::  Holocaust, Shmuck-o-co$t
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UniqueE1@aol.com wrote:

>Hey Ken!  I realize that your present job is a lot
>better (and warmer, especially in Winter!) than
>pumping gas, but other than you, why does anyone
>CARE about the so-called holocaust?  Seriously!
>And what is that OBC after your name?  Is it like in
>those ads, you know, where a white mail seeks female
>non-smoker?  Does OBC mean Only Blonde Chicks maybe?

My, what the Holocauster side would do with Ken's resume if he were a revisionist.  My,
the attacks he would receive.  "Gas-pumper turns revisionist historian."

Kurt Stele



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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>    Maybe I'd better repeat that in capital letters since you seem to have
>such reading disabilities:

>    "I'M STILL UNABLE TO LOCATE THE REFERENCE AND SEE IF IT IS A SIGNED
>DOCUMENT[....]"

>    IN OTHER WORDS, MR. BEAULIEU AGAIN ADMITS HE DOESN'T KNOW IF THE
>DOCUMENT IS SIGNED OR NOT.

He never retracted his belief the document was a forgery.  He still thinks it is.

Kurt Stele



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>Hmmmm.  Not at all, the SS themselves executed Goeth, Koch, and
>other camp commanders who abused the prisoners under their
>charge.  Rascher was also executed by the SS.

The SS trying and then executing their own soldiers for mistreating Jews?   Why, that
would have hardly been necessary if the Nazi goal was to KILL them all.  The man would
have been awarded a Nazi medal instead of being executed!  

Holocaust bullshit.

Kurt Stele



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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>In article <547epo$e60@is05.micron.net>,
>Kurt Stele  wrote:
>>
>>The Jew Burg at Mandanek saw Zyklon B used to delouse and nothing more.

>    Really?  Are you sure?  When was Burg in Majdanek, and what is your
>source?

In-court eyewitness testimony.  As an exterminationist you should know better than to ask
for any more than that.

Kurt Stele



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kquinn@cam.org (Ken Quinn) wrote:

>Dear Postmaster,

>For quite a while now, a user from your system (acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca) 
>has been spreading his hateful and racist views ovwer usenet. Could you please 
>ask this user to cease his racist comments at once.

>Thank you kindly for your time,


>Ken Quinn
>kquinn@cam.org

Ahh!  Just like the liberal to have views he doesn't like suppressed!  What a coward.

Kurt Stele



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hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote:

>You see, as the article clearly indicates, David Irving damns himself
>with his own words.

Where does Irving "damn himself with his own words!!!" you paranoid Jew?
Where does Irving makes these so-called "anti-semitic" statements in your article?

Kurt Stele



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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>>ability as a historian. It could be argued that Irving was once an able
>>historian but somehow lost that ability after thirty years of studying
>>German documents.

>No, actually, he lost libel suits for both _Accident: The Death of General
>Sikorski_ (1967) and _The Destruction of Convoy PQ 17_ (1969). The quotes
>you cite, likely quite out of context (I'll be following up on each of
>them), refer to his abilities as a popular writer of the Tom Clancy or
>John Grisham model, not as a historian interested in unearthing the truth. 

Actually, one he settled out of court though he was in the right, the other was lost by a
narrow margin on appeal, 4-3.   Notice how Rich Graves in his crusade to smear Irving as a
liar, omits these things, yet calls Irving a "liar" for omissions not even so blatant.

Kurt Stele



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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>If you believe that 100% of the bodies at Treblinka
>were "pit cremated" , and 100% of the bodies at
>Sobibor were pit cremated, and 75% of the bodies
>at Birkenau were pit cremated; then the building of
>2,000,000 RM  buildings MAKES NO SENSE.
>The building of the Crematorium and the 
>stories of pit cremations are incompatable.

Exactly.


>Mr. Keren, AGAIN I AGREE WITH YOU 100% 
>    Of course,  your view raises a serious question,
>to wit,  Why then did the Germans build the alleged
>gas chambers UNDERGROUND?  This made an
>expensive ventilation system necessary and
>lead to a longer ventilation time.  Why not
>a nice big shed with two or three doors?  

There is so much WRONG with the extermination theory that if the cowardly Holocaust Lobby
ever allowed it to be examined by revisionists in the mass media, most people would
disbelieve it.   Of course, no matter how wacky it is, Jews like Keren will ALWAYS believe
in the Holocaust.   Questions of "likelihood" and "illogicality" mean nothing to Keren.
The fact that for the "Holocaust" to be true would require the most nonsensical German
contortions -- it all means NOTHING.  

Kurt Stele



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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>>4-he's a coward
>>5-he will not tell you his (her) name
>>6-he's a fruitcake
>>7-he's stupid
>>8-he's also a dummy

>	Not to mention a twerp and an idiot.

And you are a gullible clod, defender of Jewish cheeseball.

Kurt Stele




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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>And isn't it funny that whenever some illiterate piece of trailer trash
>isn't living the life he thinks he "deserves," it's all the fault of the
>JOOOOS!??!
> 
>Sara

Actually it's more amusing to observe whenever Jews receive a billion less than they
wanted from the goyim's pocket they cry "anti-semitism!"

Kurt Stele



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mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>>
>>The SS trying and then executing their own soldiers for mistreating Jews? 

>They were executed for stealing from the Reich, Kurt. Drink some
>coffee and wake up!

Nope!  There existed certain SS officers who were executed SOLEY on the basis of
mistreating Jewish inmates alone.  Hardly indicative of an army seeking to "exterminate"
Jews.  Quite indicative of the mendacity of the Holy Tale.

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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>>    Tommy, why don't you save people time and trouble and put that title
>>("Behold the lie") on all your posts which contain your own writing?  It
>>describes them so well. 

>	As a matter of fact, I plan to add a whole host of other examples
>that show Simon Wiesenthal and the rest are liars and corrupt. 

Excellent.  Post it every month or so at least.

Kurt Stele



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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>    That is from a _revisionist_ post quoting from a _revisionist_ book,
>Kurt. I knew about it even before I asked you the question.  I gave you
>the chance to be honest, and everyone can see how you blew it. 

Sorry Mike "Stein."   Burg testified he was at Mandanek.  If you don't believe him, then
ask HIM about it.  I quoted Burg correctly and despite your crusade to claim otherwise:


Christie: And did you find any evidence of gas chambers in 1945 at
Maidanek?
Burg: Yes.
Christie: And what were these gas chambers in Maidanek?
Burg They were to liquidate lice, fleas, et cetera. Bugs which caused
epidemics.

Burg indeed testified the so-called "gas chambers" were used for delousing.  You claim
Burg lived in a different geographical area.   So what?   Maybe Burg was in the camp on a
certain day, for a brief visit, or for some other reason.   At any rate, revisionism
doesn't need Burg's testimony, as it already has several solid bases to debunk the
"Holocaust" lie.   No big deal.   Either way, your problem is with the witness not with my
quoting of him.  Sorry to ruin your elaborate and quite determined efforts.  

Kurt Stele



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100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik) wrote:

>He took the Occam's razor, and accepted that the gassings occured
>really. It's easier because it's true. 

Bullshit.

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>Actually I am not STUPID enough to write my real name. 

>No, just cowardly enough not to.

Oh yes.  That is why throughout history Jews changed their names to goyish names to "avoid
persecution."  As a result, Jews everywhere still carry the European names their relatives
cowardly and deceitfully stole from Europeans.   But when Jews conceal their names, it
isn't cowardly at all, but  "quite understandable, yes."

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joebuck@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
>>: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>>: >The costs of kosher meat are borne by the buyers - Jews.

>>: ALL consumers are forced to foot the bill liar.

>>Horse manure.  Consumers can buy what they want. 
>> If you eat only pork, you'll never pay for a kosher inspection.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  Oh, GOOD COMEBACK! (not!]

The issue is that Jewish religious laws are protected by state laws: an obvious violation
of Church and State.  Yet whenever Church and State is violated by Christians Jews protest
and then sue.  Jews are permitted to get away with violating Church and State because they
are Jews; the goyim however, are not permitted the same special privilege.

Kurt Stele 



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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:


>Over the past year, "revisionists" have made a tactical fallback to the
>web, their retreat covered by flanking fire from Matt Giwer.

Actually, it does get boring asking for any physical evidence at all for extermination by
gassing, over and over and continually being presented with only the goofy eyewitness
stuff.   

Kurt Stele



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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:

>		
>					Nov. 6, 1993
>                          N.Y. Times

>      "American Survivor of Holocaust Is Trying to Sue"

>  Washington, "Lawyers for an American survivor of the Holocaust asked
>a Federal appeals court to uphold his right to sue Germany for $17
>million in war reparations.

>	The German Government is claiming sovereign immunity from the
>suit filed by Hugo Princz, 70 of Highland Park, N.J. who spent three
>years in Nazi death camps during WW II.

>	But a lawyer for Mr. Princz, Steven Perles, says the enormity and
>barbarity of the crimes committed against Mr.Princz, who is Jewish,
>qualify him for an exemption to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act
>of 1976.

>	In a hearing on the question of immunity, Chief Justice Patricia
>Wald of the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of
>Columbia, pressed Mr.Perles to cite cases where such an exception has
>been used.

>	'Are you asking us to take some leaps we absolutely have no
>precedent for?' Judge Wald asked 'I'm not saying it is wrong, but we
>have to leap off the diving board of precedence'.

>	Mr.Perles also argued that the case should be brought under a
>commercial exception to the Foreign Sovereign Act. He said that by
>enslaving Mr.Princz in companies that fed the German war machine, the
>Government forced him into commercial enterprise directed against the
>U.S.

>	...

>	...

>	Mr.Perles sued the German Government for $17 million in March,
>1992, Judge Stanley Sporkin of Federal District Court ruled in his
>favor last December." 
>                  ==============================

>"... who spent three years in Nazi death camps during WW II."

>	"Three years" in "death camps"? 

>"But a lawyer for Mr. Princz, Steven Perles, says the enormity and
>barbarity of the crimes committed against Mr.Princz, who is Jewish,
>qualify him for an exemption to the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act
>of 1976."

>	"Three years" in "death camps" and was "Jewish"? 

>	I don't how this appeal turned out, but I guess he had a good ol'
>Holocaust survivor story for why he wasn't put to death.

>	This next paragraph is an ideal example of "chutzpah". 

>"Mr.Perles also argued that the case should be brought under a
>commercial exception to the Foreign Sovereign Act. He said that by
>enslaving Mr.Princz in companies that fed the German war machine, the
>Government forced him into commercial enterprise directed against the
>U.S."

The balls of Jews.   Amazing.

Kurt Stele



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dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:


>    Would you be so kind as to rattle off a statute number (any statute
>    number) which enforces kosher food?

Here's a citation of a municipal law enforcing kosher foods sent to me from an interested
lurker:

---------begin------------

Section 14-0903  Annotated Code of Maryland

False or Misleading Representations in Sale of Food Products.

(a)  A person may not prepare for sale, whether for consumption in his place of business
or elsewhere, any food that he falsely represents to be kosher or kosher for Passover.
(b)  A person may not prepare or ser, as kosher, any food, whether for consumption in his
place of business or elsewhere, if, in the same palce of business, he also prepares or
serves nonkosher food, unless he:
(1)  Keeps and uses separate and distinctly labeled or marked dishes and utensils for each
type of food; and
(2)  Includes on each sign and display advertisement in or about his premises in block
letters at least 4 inches high the words "kosher and nonkosher food prepared and sold
here."  

Section 14-911 Penalty

Any person who violates any provision of this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and is
subject to the penalty provisions set forth in Title 13 of this article. 

--------end-----------

"SPECIAL laws for SPECIAL people."  (wink, wink).   

Kurt Stele





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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>Danny Mittleman (dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu) wrote:

>:     Would you be so kind as to rattle off a statute number (any statute
>:     number) which enforces kosher food?

>:      daniel david mittleman 

>He's just a liar as well as a blatant anti-Semite.

>I would expect that consumer protection laws cover kosher food to the
>extent that if a food is certified kosher, it must in fact be kosher.  But
>that is no different from requiring that prime beef be prime beef.  Any
>label posted on consumer products must be accurate.  Furthermore, many
>people who are not Jewish look upon kosher certification as a sign of
>quality, so any law such as this also protects them. 

 Why are not REGULAR misrepresentation laws ENOUGH, "Buddy K"?  And what other "religion"
besides Judaism gets to have special laws protecting its religious customs, "Buddy K"?  

NONE!  Only Jews.

Kurt Stele



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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article , 
>Salman Rushdie (Running dog of a capitalist pig)  
>wrote:

>>Irving was NOT an 'anti-semite'. I'm quite sure that a lackey of zion 
>>such as yourself thinks anyone who says jews aren't a o.k., or that jews 

>Oh, "Lackey of Zion," eh, darling? Listen, will you contact
>the silly blighters, and tell them their cheques are, er,
>late? Just when I thought I'd found the ultimate multilevel
>marketing trip, too! Damn.

McVay is a consummate Jewish asswipe.   Lackey isn't the word.

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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
>: 
>: My, what the Holocauster side would do with Ken's resume if he were a revisionist.  My,
>: the attacks he would receive.  "Gas-pumper turns revisionist historian."

>Oh, Kurt... this is really sad.  I mean, I knew you were a Nazi, 
>but I used to think you were a smart Nazi.  You've been around 
>this group for awhile--you should have noticed that, as soon as 
>the deniers run entirely out of steam, they try to jump-start 
>themselves by making lame jokes about Ken's fictional career.
>It's so predictable, Kurt.  It's so weak.  Really--you're an
>embarassment to the Noble Aryan Sperm, buddy.

Actually it was an observation on how the Nizis always jump on irrelevant personal details
to attack revisionists.  Personally I could care LESS what McVay worked as -- only whether
what he says is true or not.  

Kurt Stele



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gall@umanitoba.ca (Norman R. Gall) wrote:

>In article <54kjnb$j5o@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>>Ahh!  Just like the liberal to have views he doesn't like suppressed!  
>>What a coward.

>Look up 'liberal' in a dictionary some time.  I can't believe that you walk
>around using popular terms with so little knowledge of what they mean.

I'm using the popular most common definition, dumbshit.  You've been living under a rock
the past two decades evidently. 

>The political view *most* likely used to justify a use of force to supress
>a view is conservative... I'd argue that a liberal democrat would have the
>most difficult time justifying such a move.

>But I wouldn't expect you to read any of those books *before* you burn them...

Have you and yours imprisoned any revisionists lately?  (snicker)

Kurt Stele





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Darren Boucher  wrote:

>>The JEWS think they control Canada, but I believe it is now about time for
>>the whites in Quebec and Canada to start to clean their countries.

>I don't understand, you get me a lineup mixing whites and
>jews, and I bet you I can't tell the difference, nor do I 
>care what anyone's religious beliefs are.

One usually can identify a Slavo-Turkic Khazarian mixture fairly easily.   

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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>> >Yet undoubtedly you would bend over backwards and kiss your own 
>>> >ass to defend the Israeli takeover of Arab lands, places that had 
>>> >NO Jewish constituency living in them.  
>>> 
>>> Jews had been living in Palestine non-stop during the 2,000 yrs of the
>>> diaspora, and had been a majority in Jerusalem since the late 1800's.

Fine.  If a constituency is all needed to justify invasion then certainly the Nazis were
justified invading lands full of Germans.  Yet you condemn the Germans and justify the
Jewish invasions because you are another hypocritical Jew.

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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Hey fuckwad,

>Jews changed their names, by and large, because they were forced to,
>not because they wanted to assimilate.

Hey roach shit,

Jews also changed their names in Europe because they wanted to be more accepted.  And even
if they "had to" change their names, that form of concealing their identity is no
different than anyone using a false name here to avoid damaging repercussions of being
politically incorrect.  Of course, you defend the Jews but condemn revisionists only
because you're another hypocritical Jew scumbag.

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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:

>ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>> The fact that gaschambers are easy to build 
>> and the fact that the Germans shipped people
>> clear across Europe is inconsistant.

>This is kindergarten-level stuff, and Ceacaa only looks foolish by
>posting it.

>Auschwitz was a work camp and a death camp simultaneously;  arrivals
>were gassed within hours if they were unfit for work, but they would be
>used as slaves for weeks or months.  When their usefulness expired, due
>to malnutrition or disease, they were killed in the gas chambers.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  There were supposedly hundreds and sometimes
thousands gassed at time.  Who was monitoring the stage of disease or malnutrition of each
prisoner to the point where a soldier would say "woops, looks like this one's ready to
go!"   Did they give physical examinations to see if they were ready to be gassed?  Did a
soldier go around prodding each prodding and feeling and plucking each prisoner to check
for symptoms of sickness?  This would require almost as many monitors as inmates and the
full attention of every soldier plus other personnel.  If an inmate was worked to the
point of death he would haved collapsed unconscious right there, or be close to it, and
could not have marched into the gas chamber, or if he so did he would not have screamed.
Yet the account all mention screaming.  How is it hundreds of people would suddenly be
rendered sick at once if not from typhus?  But why were there hospitals and also Zyklon B
used to prevent typhus?  And how was it known that those hundreds of people were all sick
all at once to get a large enough "herd" who were all sufficiently sick at the very same
time for the gassing of hundreds of thousands all at once?  But then gassing terminally
typhus patients is basically humane euthanasia.  Again they would all have to monitored
with personnel for that purpose and his sickness graphed to the point where it reached
gassing time.  Were they quarantined in different stations according to their stage of
sickness?  If he has a fever, go to station 1?  If he has a hangover go to station 2?
He's puking station 3?  Looks like hell today, station 4?  Otherwise how could they know
who was ready for gassing yet?  If he falls down dead from overwork it is too late to gas.
But why overwork when one is trying to preserve labor, or else why have labor if you want
things made shoddy and unusable from overworked, grudging, incapacitated sick workers?

>"Ceacaa" knows this, but he pretends he doesn't, because he's trying to
>persuade lurkers who might not know any better.

I doubt it very seriously.  I think he's as puzzled as anyone.

Kurt Stele



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mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
>>
>>>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The SS trying and then executing their own soldiers for mistreating Jews? 
>>
>>>They were executed for stealing from the Reich, Kurt. Drink some
>>>coffee and wake up!
>>
>>Nope!  There existed certain SS officers who were executed SOLEY on the basis of
>>mistreating Jewish inmates alone. 

>Which one's were these and what was the "mistreatment" would be one
>question to ask Mr. Stele. Of course, then we would expect a well
>substantiated answer from, Mr. Stele. But I doubt that is what we will
>get as a response.


At Nuremberg, SS Justice Konrad Morgen testified that SS tribunals convicted some 200
persons -- among them FIVE camp commandants -- of such maltreating inmates.  Two camp
commandants were before the firing squad.  IMT, vol. XX, p. 533.  See also MT, vol XLII,
p. 556 (Morgen affidavit).   Also, Himmler ordered camp commandants and physicians to give
top priority to the preservation of inmates' health and fitness for work.   Nazis shooting
other Nazis for maltreating Jews, along with making inmate health top priority, gives the
the Lie to "extermination."   But enjoy the Lie while you still can!  You still have some
time left before the lid is ripped for the public.

The Lie is falling!  The Lie is falling!

Kurt Stele



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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>Once again "kurt" lies.  One would think that such a superior guy as he would 
>not have to keep lying to make his "points."

Splendid!  You evidently CAN'T READ either!  

Kurt Stele

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hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote:

>In <54kmia$j5o@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:
>>Where does Irving "damn himself with his own words!!!" you paranoid Jew?

>Try reading the article, Mr. Stele.  See if you can extend your
>attention span beyond your customary 3 seconds.    Then read it again.
>Keep re-reading the article until your attention span reaches the
>level of a 10 year old.  This exercise will assist you in developing
>some comprehension skills.

You are full of shit as usual.   There is no "evidence" in the article David Irving is an
anti-semite.  But of course, you would find anti-semitism in ANY goy who dares question
the Lie!   Nice try, paranoid Jew.   

Kurt Stele



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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>through his deliberately obvious forgeries.  Having lost every debate in
>which he engaged, having no means of graceful retreat, Mr. Giwer in all
>likelihood forged in hopes of getting caught so that he could meet a
>martyr's end.  He has, as evidenced by the remaining deniers who are
>willing to participate in this simpleton's ruse by rallying around him.

You claim "Giwer lost evey debate he engaged in"?  

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Kurt Stele



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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
>: joebuck@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>: >hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>: >>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
>: >>: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>: >>: >The costs of kosher meat are borne by the buyers - Jews.

>: >>: ALL consumers are forced to foot the bill liar.

>: >>Horse manure.  Consumers can buy what they want. 
>: >> If you eat only pork, you'll never pay for a kosher inspection.
>: >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: >  Oh, GOOD COMEBACK! (not!]

>: The issue is that Jewish religious laws are protected by state laws: an obvious violation
>: of Church and State.  Yet whenever Church and State is violated by Christians Jews protest
>: and then sue.  Jews are permitted to get away with violating Church and State because they
>: are Jews; the goyim however, are not permitted the same special privilege.

>Well, Spiel, you and joe buckteeth have been challenged time and time again to cite
>even one of these laws.  You can't do it, can you?  You're just a congenital liar,
>aren't you? 

Already posted.

Kurt Stele



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DKholohuggingKen@holohugger.com wrote:


>>There is no "race" of Jews and more than there is a "race"
>>of Mormons, or "race" of Anglicans.

>>Intolerance ignores these little quirks, of course, lest
>>facts get in the way of hate mongering.

>	It is OK to say that as long as you do not take it to the logical
>conclusion, that one can not be an atheist and a jew at the same time.  

>	That gets them all bent out of shape and they call you anti-semitic for not
>recognizing the jewish race.  It is amusing and they are very inconsistent.

YES!  He's back!

Kurt Stele

>=====
>Niz-kor made this happen 
>Read the information holohuggers fear
>http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
>http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
>http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
>http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
>http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
>htte://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE





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fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:

>Kurt, in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries Jews in many
>European countries were obliged to take surnames (prior to that they
>used patronymics).  Even earlier they had in some countries adopted
>surnames typical of those countries; since they were easily
>identifiable (by dress and customs) this hardly counts as
>concealment.

>Now, are you going to call me a 'hypocritical Jew scumbag'?

At times throughout history Jews have changed their names or hid their Jewishness for
self-protection.   For the same reason revisionists change their names.  If you defend
Jews as brave for doing so and condemn revisionists as cowards you indeed employ a double
standard.  

Kurt Stele



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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>william c anderson (libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu) wrote:
>: Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
>: : hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>: : >Well, Spiel, you and joe buckteeth have been challenged time and time again to cite
>: : >even one of these laws.  You can't do it, can you?  You're just a congenital liar,
>: : >aren't you? 
>: : 
>: : Already posted.

>: Actually, what "Kurt" posted was a common, everyday consumer protection
>: law, specifying that food cannot be represented as Kosher unless it is,
>: in fact, Kosher.  Why he finds this ominous is entirely beyond me, 

>It's beyond you?  Let me explain.  He's a plain and simple, old-fashioned 
>anti-Semite.  That's why he finds it ominous.

>Now why he is an anti-Semite is beyond me.

You find it perfectly fine for Jews to entangle Church and State to have the State enforce
religious law.  Yet it is not allowed for any religion besides.  You see nothing wrong
with this special Jewish privilege.  You are another good goy.

Kurt Stele



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hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote:

>>You are full of shit as usual.   There is no "evidence" in the article David Irving is an
>>anti-semite.  

>Hmmm ... well, I see you have decided not to follow my suggestions Mr.
>Stele.  But rather you have chosen to exercise your freedom to
>continue making an absolute fool of yourself.   Oh, well, c'est la
>vie! 

The only thing foolish is you and your typical paranoid Jewish delusion about David Irving
being an anti-semite.  Anyone who questions your silly little Hoax is called anti-semitic
for that reason ALONE:  so what else is new?   Even now you won't cull the parts of the
article which you claim "PROVE" his anti-semitism.  You're quite full of it.

Kurt Stele



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100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>100644.317@compuserve.com (Miloslav Bilik) wrote:

>>>He took the Occam's razor, and accepted that the gassings occured
>>>really. It's easier because it's true. 

>>Bullshit.

>>Kurt Stele

>What Butz said about the PMO 280, p. 58 ? Certainly.

No.  The part about the gassing being "true."

Kurt Stele




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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>So of course, they Jews who "assimilated" by taking German names took
>such obviously Jewish names as Goldstein, Silverman, Rosenblatt, etc.

You miss the point.  Jews conceal their names and you call it necessary because of
persecution.  Revisionists conceal their names and you call cowardice.

You are a hypocritical Jewish scumbag.

Kurt Stele



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"Leo G. Simonetta"  wrote:

>Kurt Stele wrote:
>> 
>> hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:
>> 
>> >What are you, a commie or something?
>> 
>> >Whatever it may or may not cost, businesses have their products kosher
>> >certified if they think it will benefit the company.  Nobody forces it on
>> >them.  Furthermore, the kosher symbol is often regarded as a sign of
>> >quality by those outside the Jewish community.
>>  Why should 98% have to pay religious tax for 2%?  Why is tin foil kosher?

>Kurt, I'll type this really slow so you can understand.

>You do not have to buy kosher foods.
>Reynolds does not have to make kosher tin (?) foil.

>Welcome to America.

>If you want to organize a group of Revisionist who will only
>eat food that you personally inspect you are more than welcome to
>do so.  If there are enough of them the food companies will pay 
>attention, if not they won't.
> 
>> It is another Jewish scam.

>Dem Joos!

It is a scam as the Jews entangle the State to enforce religious customs, one's which are
ambiguous even to them and absurd as kosher tinfoil.  Only Jews can get away with such
entangling the state with religion.

Kurt Stele



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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>Sara aka Perrrfect wrote on 24 Oct 1996 
>(Ceacaa) wrote:


>>>  Do you actually think that 1,000,000 people were
>>> uniformly dumb enough to think that they were going
>>> UNDERGROUND to take a shower?  Further
>>> both Leichenkeller 1 and 2 were low ceilinged,
>>> untiled rooms, about as bathlike as a root celler.
>>> Remember this is also after the victims 
>>> had been made to walk around the Crema 
>>> building itself (please don't look in the
>>> windows at the crematorium).  The story
>>> doesn't fit with the physical layout of the
>>> two Crematoria buildings.   

> 
>>Well, let's see.
> 
>[snip description of events prior to arrival]
> 
>>Suddenly the train stops. They are herded out 
>of the dark car into the bright light by shouting 
>soldiers and barking dogs. Many of them can barely
>walk now, they are so exhausted and dehydrated. 
>Perhaps a gun is fired to
>hurry them along. Perhaps someone is shot for 
>dawdling. Or perhaps they
>whole group moves out without incident.
>Okay with that so far?

>They're in a strange place. Nothing is familiar. 
>They are herded along, not
>kindly, by the soldiers. They are told to go 
>"over there" and take off
>their clothing. It might be summer. It might be 
>winter and freezing. But
>there are men and guns and dogs and 
>children crying and old people praying,
>and they are tired, and hungry, and dirty, and 
>disoriented. Their clothes
>are soiled. So they do what they're told.
>Okay with that so far?

>Maybe they're told they're going to a
>shower. Shower! What a relief!
>Finally they can get clean, feel water on 
>their bodies again. Do they
>believe it? Does it matter? Any hope, no 
>matter how feeble, is worth
>clinging to.
>Okay with that so far?
> 
>Perhaps one man objects. "That's not a shower, 
>it's in a basement," he
>shouts. The parents may shout him down; 
>they don't want to frighten their
>children. Or perhaps a soldier silences 
>him with a gun butt or a bullet.
>Either way, no one WANTS to believe him.
>Okay with that so far?
> 
>So these hungry, tired, frightened, 
>filthy, dehydrated, scared, resigned, 
>disoriented people go where they are told by the 
>men with the bright uniforms and polished 
>boots and guns and barking dogs. They hold 
>their children in their arms, and they 
>go to the showers they're told to go to.
> 
>And they go to their deaths.
> 
>>What part of this don't you understand?
> 
>>Sara

>     Your description implies that there was no need
>for deception, security or crowd control measures.
>My belief is that people, when deeply afraid, 
>will often freeze or could stampede.  But, the
>psycology of crowds aside, I am interested
>how you explain the following descriptions:

>"All these people were unaware of the fate
>awaiting them.  They were merely upset at being separated...
>To render their welcome more pleasant at this time-
>June, July 1944- an orchestra composed of internees-
>all young and pretty girls, dressed in little white
>blouses and navy blue skirts-
>played, during the selection... gay tunes such as "the
>Merry Widow. "  Martin Gilbert  The Holocaust  at pg 686
>quoting Claude Vaillant Couturier. 
>   -and-
>"To the captivating tunes played played by the internee 
>musicians...the cortege of the condmned wound toward
>Birkenau.  Fortunately, they were unconscious of the fate 
>that awaited them...The S.S. TROUPS ESCORTING THEM
>WERE IRREPROACHABLY 'CORRECT' ... the newly arrived 
>had to be handled properly to the very end...The 
>'bath Director', in a white blouse, distributed towels 
>and soap."  emphasis added.

> Dr. Olga Lengyel  Five Chimneys The Ziff-Davis Publishing Co.
>London (1984)  at page 84.

> How do you reconcile your description which emphasizes
>force with the actual survivor eyewitness accounts 
>which clearly state that the victims were tricked into the
>gaschamber?  

She can't reconcile it.  The eyewitness accounts are hopelessly contradictory and
worthless.  Looks like we'll have to resolve this with the only solid means of proof:
physical evidence.

What?  You mean eyewitness testimony is ALL they HAVE?

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 




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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>[cross-post trimmed; followups set]

>In article <54pd6g$5m4@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>[snip]

>> It is a scam as the Jews entangle the State to enforce religious customs,
>one's which are
>> ambiguous even to them and absurd as kosher tinfoil.  Only Jews can get
>away with such
>> entangling the state with religion.

>So far, you have yet to establish this ludicrous claim - that the Worldwide
>Joosh Conspiracy, or any brach thereof, requires the United States or
>Canada to enforce a Jewish religious custom. In fact, you have failed to do
>so even after repeated requests, by various people, for you to do so. since
>you have not, the only logical conclusion is that you lied.

The state laws enforcing kosher standards, a religious standard, have been posted. Where
have you been?  The government is enforcing Jewish religious law in violation of Church
and State.  Rabbis decide whether is someone is going to be guilty of a misdemeanor or
not.   You evidently don't know much about the U.S. Constitution lawyer-boy.

Kurt Stele



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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>You continue to lie, Spiel.  Meanwhile, tell us why there is no Sunday 
>hunting in most states.  And why "In God We Trust" is on our coins.

In my state nearly all Sundays laws have been struck down as a violation of Church and
State.  The only ones remaining are only because they are not challenged.  "God" is a
religious neutral reference accepted by virtually all religions.  Only JEWS get their
specific religious laws enforced by state law in obvious violation of Church and State.

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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>    And building a gas chamber is one thing-
>building it UNDERGROUND is an very expensive,
>illogical, different thing.  Consider excavation
>problems, drainage and waterproofing problems,
>and, as you correctly mentioned, ventilation problems.
>Also think of all the problems of tricking people
>into going down underground to take a shower.


The tangled web they weave.


>>No, it's about 20 times higher. 

>    Where did you get these figures?  Pressac makes
>it 4.5 times higher than the other camp ratios but
>he includes Crema I (abandoned) Kremas IV and V
>(which were also abandoned) to increase the number
>of muffles (retorts)  and does not count any of 
>the planned increases in camp population to 
>120,000 persons.  


Good old exaggerating Keren!


>># Revisionists claim that Kremas II and III were
>># built as a result of the typhus outbreaks in
>># Auschwitz/Birkenau in the summers of 1941 and 1942.

>     Dealing with a problem and wanting a problem
>are two different things.  I was a fireman 
>for some time.  We didn't want fires. We tried
>to prevent fires but we kept our LaFrance and VanPelt
>ready.  
>The evidence shows massive deaths in the
>camps from typhus but there is also significant
>evidence that the Germans took many steps to
>combat typhus and other diseases.  I have
>been into the Zentral Sauna building at Birkenau.
>It is a very impressive structure, entirely built to
>control contagion.  From shaving inmates heads
>to posting the famous Eine Laus Dein Tod! poster
>around the Camp vigourous efforts were made to
>combat Typhus.

Gosh!  Now why would German go such lengths to protect the lives of Jewish inmates they
were allegedly trying to kill?  

Can you say H-O-A-X?  

Kurt Stele

The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at
Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an
internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation
department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the
remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. 

(Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.)




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hostrov@uniserve.com (Hilary Ostrov) wrote:


>>>"Ceacaa" knows this, but he pretends he doesn't, because he's trying to
>>>persuade lurkers who might not know any better.

>>I doubt it very seriously.  I think he's as puzzled as anyone.

>_If_ "Ceacaa" is "puzzled", Mr. Stele, it can only be the result of
>observing that he is able to convince no one - except, of course,
>hate-filled, fact-bereft societal misfits such as you have proven
>yourself to be.

Actually increasingly numbers of people are waking up to the Lie of the "Holocaust"due to
puzzlements such as Ceacaa's.  And I notice you do not refute Ceacaa either.  But
alongside this growing number are the more who are simply fed up with more Jewish whining
for more BILLIONS of dollars for their International Holocaust Religion.  Every time Jews
ask for more money, more people react with "aGAIN!!!?"  (intonation upwards at the end).
It is simply becoming a question of saturation, and ultimately, indifference.  There is
nothing that can be done to halt either increasing indifference or increasing knowledge
about the Lie.  Jews have been literally $ucking the goyim dry from the Holocaust, along
with morally browbeating them, for too long now for this reaction not to have occurred.

Kurt Stele



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rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:

>Actually, you lie. Kosher certification is not governed by statute in
>either the US or in Canada. Food producers are not State/Crown owned
>corporations. The desire to have kosher certification is a conscious,
>voluntary, choice made by many food producers, in an effort to capture a
>segment of the consumer population which would not otherwise purchase the
>product. The result is a product price increase so minimal as to be non
>existent. It is not required by law.

>The laws of the US and of Canada, furthermore, provide no special
>priviliges to Jewish people. Nor do they provide special priviliges to any
>other religious groups. (I dare to you prove otherwise, since you¹ve made
>the opposite, and erroneous, claim above.)

Bullshit, lawyer-boy.  The kosher food laws obviously entangle the State with Religion.
It also advances the tenets a religion, and a vague one at that (What is kosher anyway?
Tin foil?)  BOTH are violations of Church and State.  And no other group besides Jews can
get away with it.   

But the REAL value of the kosher food racket is as a prop for an even BIGGER hoax:  that
Jews are primarily a religion.  (A lie, very view are religious).   Jews are NOT primarily
a religion, Jews are primarily a PEOPLE, and one with a separate political agenda.  Jews
pawning themselves off as a religion distracts from their existence as a people and their
political agenda, and also secures for them an unwarranted religious tolerance from goyim.
The hoax works best of all on the Christian boobs.  The kosher food racket best serves to
emphasize the "Jews are only a religion" hoax.

Kurt Stele




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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:
>: hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>: >You continue to lie, Spiel.  Meanwhile, tell us why there is no Sunday 
>: >hunting in most states.  And why "In God We Trust" is on our coins.

>: In my state nearly all Sundays laws have been struck down as a violation of Church and
>: State.  The only ones remaining are only because they are not challenged.

>The fact that the laws aren't challenged doesn't mean they weren't put 
>into effect for the benefit of one religion.

The Sunday closing do not mention any specific religion or sect at all.  However, the
kosher laws specifically mention Judaism.  

>  "God" is a
>: religious neutral reference accepted by virtually all religions.  

>I'm an agnostic.  It's not religiously neutral to me.

The term "God" still does not favor any specific sect or religion over another.  Also, you
are not fined or criminally prosecuted if you choose not to believe in GOD (only if you do
not believe in the Holocaust if in France or Germany) whereas if you do not obey the
kosher laws you punished by fine and jail.  No other group besides Jews have laws
protecting the violation of their religion with fine and jail.

>: Only JEWS get their
>: specific religious laws enforced by state law in obvious violation of Church and State.

>And, of course, you keep lying about this, Spiel.

No other group has state laws specificially to protect their religion, and enforce their
custom for which Jews alone provide the definition of criminal guilt.  No other group
receives this special treatment besides JEWS.

Kurt Stele



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bdickus@netcom.com (Biggus Dickus) wrote:

>If you actually believe that adding kosher certification to a product,
>such as tin foil, will result in a 100% increase in sales you, Mr.
>Kilpatrick are trying very hard to convince us that you are a moron,
>and not without success.

Mr. Kilpatrick is the perfect goy.  He'll even go out of his way to look stupid in order
to defend Jewish special privileges.

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Please be aware that Mr. Strom is a big "Mucky-Muck" in the National
>Alliance, America's pre-eminent neo-Nazi organization.  Headed by Dr.
>William L. Pierce and headquartered in West Virginia, the National
>Alliance is believed to be connected, at least loosely, to the
>Oklahoma City Bombing, as well as the antics of Bob Matthew's
>paramilitary terrorist group The Order.

Believed to be connected the OKC bombing?  By whom, lying Jews like yourself?  That
indicates very little of course.

Kurt Stele



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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <54qf9v$2ml@juliana.sprynet.com> - rblackmore@juno.com25 Oct 1996
>13:28:31 GMT writes:
>:>
>:>>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes:
>:>>  
>:>
>:>>  You guys are desperate.

>:>Is that what you think?  We aren't desperate at all.  Hoess's
>:>testimony is worthless.  It is trash no matter where or when
>:>he gave it.  It is useless as a source of confirmation for
>:>your version of the Holocaust.

>Of course it is.  Denier rule #23 says that you are to dismiss damaging
>testimony by simply decreeing it to be untrue.  You have learned your lessons
>well.

Ask Gord to explain why it took 10 years to produce a translated version of Hoess'
memoirs.

Kurt Stele



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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>	Someday you'll stop goose-stepping and join the real world.

Someday you'll get a real hoax.

Kurt Stele



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>>>>>
>Is that what you think?  We aren't desperate at all.  Hoess's
>testimony is worthless.  It is trash no matter where or when
>he gave it.  It is useless as a source of confirmation for
>your version of the Holocaust.

And think of how much of the Holocaust DEPENDS on Hoess...

(sound of engine screaming as propeller plane descends downwards... increasing pitch...
EXPLOSION!)

Kurt Stele



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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>Well, Spiel, I have yet to see a religious law that favors Jews unless for
>some reason or another the Jewish religion prohibits hunting on Sunday. 

I have already posted the law by which Rabbis dictate who can be imprisoned for a
misdemeanor for selling improperly prepared kosher foods, in which a state law enforces a
religious standard which only Jews can determine.  This is a violation of Church and
State, yet another great privilege for the Self-Chosen.

Kurt Stele



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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <54kluf$j5o@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> Here's a citation of a municipal law enforcing kosher foods sent to me
>from an interested
>> lurker:
>> 
>[Section 14-0903  Annotated Code of Maryland snipped]

>All this says is that if someone CALLS it kosher, it has to BE kosher. It
>says nothing else.
> 
>Mr. "Stele" ought to consider a reading comprehension class before
>venturing back here.

The state law criminally prosecutes violations of Jewish law, in a law which specifically
makes reference to Jewish law.  This is a violation of Church and State and
unconstitutionally vague, as even Jews cannot agree on what kosher is.

Kurt Stele



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rstanton@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote:


>           Also... i may be wrong, but i thought the "U" represented the
>  Underwriter's Laboratory, who in some fashion certify the safety of a
>  product. Does anyone know about this?

The "U" is a kosher symbol.  

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) wrote:

>>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>>>	Again, the concept of Total War was just rearing its ugly head to the world.
>>>>Unfortunately, it is the ONLY way to successfully fight a modern war, and the Allies were
>>>>the first to realize this AND be in a position to implement it. Many, many, many German
>>>>(and Japanese, for that matter) civilians were slaughtered during the Allied bombing
>>>>campaigns. The terror bombings over England were simply a taste of things to come.

>>>So you agree the Germans did it first.  Good!

>>WRONG.  The English government FIRST began the bombing of open German cities to force
>>relatiatory bombings by Germans in order to whip up enthusiasm for a war against the
>>Germans.   The English action would make Atilla the Hun ashamed.

>Fact: The Germans commenced civilian bombings against England in 1940.
>They did not stop until the war was over.

>Bombing of civilian sites by Allied forces did not begin until 1944.

Fact:  England began bombing German cities in secret before 1940.  In 1944, the principal
Secretary of British Air Ministry, J.M. Spaight, BOASTED that these missions were carried
out for the express purpose of killing enough unarmed men and women to force the German
government to reluctantly retaliate.   (_Education of a Conservative_, Dr. Revilo Oliver.,
1990).  

Kurt Stele



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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>Mr. Stele, you are at the very least sorely mistaken, and more likely
>simply dishonest.  I refuted all of your points (how can you question
>*that*) and I supplied quotes and citations to back-up my claims
>(something you did not even attempt to do.)

>I didn't substatntiate Hitler???  I only used a direct quote from his own
>book, Mein Kampf.

You claimed Hitler's goal was to enslave and destroy the other races.  To back up you
baseless assertion, you quoted from Mein Kampf "the hand of the Jew cannot 

Here's Kimberly Ahlf claiming that Hitler stated his goal was "enslaving and destroying
other races":  

>So you equate Lindbergh's wish to preserve his own racial heritage with
>Adolf Hitler's stated goal of enslaving and destroying the other races?

Here's what Kimberly Ahlf PRESENTS to "prove" (sic) her claim that Hitler "stated his GOAL
was enslaving and destroying the other races": 

>" it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over
>nations.  No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the
>sword."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler, Houghton Mifflin, p651

Where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and eradicating the other races"?  

Kimberly Ahlf, as usual, is lying and exaggerating.  

>> whose writing is perfectly summed up by your claim that Giwer
>> "lost every argument."

>Thank you.  I seem to recall that when you challenged this statement and
>were asked to produce evidence of Giwer ever *winning* an argument, you
>could not.  Can you now?

Why Sure.  After you go ahead and prove Giwer "lost every argument."   You made the first
claim -- you back it up.   Remember, you must prove Giwer lost EVERY ARGUMENT.   I'll
await the proof for your assertion.  I'm waiting.   

By the way you backed up your claim about Hitler I won't expect more than a mediocre,
tendentious effort from you.  

>That's pretty funny, Mr. Stele.  I haven't debated Giwer, other than in
>passing comments, since sometime around June.  Are you saying you remember
>that debate?  Perhaps your imagination can produce some evidence of these
>statements you claim I made?  Why don't you produce a few of my
>"laughable" attempts while your at it, since you seem so familiar with
>them?

All on Deja News!   My favorite is at the end of the string when you, having been
thoroughly reduced, made the convenient and cowardly "I'm not going to argue with Giwer
anymore!" retreat and then posted a ludicrous attack on Giwer, in typical Kimberly Ahlf
style.   

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>>> Not that it's relevant, but since you keep insisting thast it is:
>>>
>>>
>>>       Washington, D.C. October 21, 1939
>>>      A newly appointed Advisory Committee on Uranium met here to 
>>>       consider the possibility of building weapons of almost unlimited
>>>       destructive power. The committee was created by President
>>>       Roosevelt after he received a letter from Albert Einstein saying
>>>       that "vast amounts of power" could be released by setting up
>>>       nuclear chain reactions in a large mass of uranium.  There are
>>>       indications that German scientists are already working on such a
>>>       uranium bomb, the Einstein letter warned.
>>>
>>>       -Chronicle of America, Chronicle Publications p 686


>> How does this in any way PROVE Germany was an AGGRESSIVE threat to > the
>United States?

>Hey, Kurt- you just changed the question!  How doI know you changed the
>question?  Because here is how the above quote first appeared when I
>answered it :

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>    Now, go to the library and present
>> some EVIDENCE of your assertion that the war against Germany was 
>> fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a Nuclear danger.

>Not that it's relevant, but since you keep insisting thast it is:


>        Washington, D.C. October 21, 1939
>        A newly appointed Advisory Committee on Uranium met [etc... see     	  
>				above]

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>See?  It's a different question at the top of my quote than the one you
>now pretend you were asking.  If you don't believe me, go back and check.
>The original post is still there on alt.revisionism.  Why did you try to
>take my evidence out of context?

This doesn't prove your assertion.  Prove that the U.S. GOVERNMENT made the decision to
attack Germany because of a nuclear threat specifically to the U.S.  This is perfectly
consistent with either question I asked.  Demonstrate the U.S. government's war motive was
tied to a German nuclear threat.  I'm still waiting.

>The quote proves that the US *was* in fact considering Germany's nuclear
>threat prior to WWII.  Whether the US did so in error or not is a matter
>of historical debate, but the fact that they were at least considering it
>is proved by the committee that was created in response to Einstein's
>letter warning of Germany's potential threat.

>> It DOESN'T!

>The question is, why did you delete the original question and then use an
>entirely different question in its place?  Did you really think I wouldn't
>remember and be able to cut it out of the old post (BTW- if you question
>my accuracy on this you can just scroll up to the post which still exists
>on alt.rev.)

BOTH questions are relevant to your claim that the war against Germany was fought because
of a nuclear threat to the United States.   Do you think I would forget that a specific
nuclear threat to the U.S. wasn't in issue?  Obviously, the Soviets had potential for
nuclear capability as well.  You still fail to demonstrate that the war was fought against
Germany because a nuclear threat it posed to the UNITED STATES specifically.  

I continue to await your evidence.  If it's anything like the last "evidence" you posted
to substantiate your cliche that Hitler wanted to "enslave and destroy" other races, don't
even bother posting it.  You'll only confirm yourself as a shameless and irresponsible
exaggerator.

>You have called me a "liar" many times in the past, but have been able to
>produce no evidence that I have lied (unless you consider your emphatic
>opinion.)  Does your misrepresentation of my above quote not at least
>qualify you as dishonest?

See above.   Your post about Hitler is a lie you continue to deny even though it is in
black and white above!   I await your evidence to that post as well.

>> Hitler's goal was White unity not White eradication. 

>What on earth are you trying to say now?  That I claimed Hitler's goal was
>to eradicate the *white* race?  

No, that Hitler's wish was not war, put peace with the U.S.  Ergo, not an aggressive
threat to the U.S. as you claimed.

>>            DUH!

>Your fierce rhetorical powers have once again renderred me speechless.

Your lying renders me bored.

>> ONCE AGAIN, you provide no evidence for any of your cliche-filled
>assertions:

>There's that word again.  May I suggest "trite", "tired" or "worn-out" as
>possible alternatives to "cliche?"

Cliche suits you just fine.  Your lies do not vary.  Neither should their description.

>BTW- which is it: are my 'assertions' cliche filled or are my 'answers'
>cliche filled?  (Just a little quality-control survey...)

>> 1)  That the US entered the war to destroy a "German Nuclear Program"

>I never asserted that, you know it,  yet you keep repeating it.  That fact
>doesn't matter, though, because to please you I did answer this request
>for evidence by pointing out that the potential German nuclear threat was
>suspected by the US (the Einstein warning, remember, which Roosevelt acted
>upon by appointing a committee.)  How big a factor this threat was in
>Roosevelt's descision to oppose Hitler is a matter for his biographers,
>not me.

You admit above you cannot provide proof that Roosevelt DELIBERATELY entered the war for
that reason -- only Roosevelt knew about it, and that is all.  So what.  Roosevelt knew
about the Soviet capability as well.  Shoddy or non-existent backing for your claim.  

You claim quite loudly that your original assertion was only that the war on Germany, in
RETROSPECT, was a good idea given their threat to the U.S..  Again, no proof for this
threat whatsoever.   I await your proof.  I'm waiting.

>Note: this answers your request that I provide "some EVIDENCE of your
>assertion that the war against Germany was fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a
>Nuclear danger."

Still doesn't prove that.   See above.  But even more significantly, is that is fails to
prove your assertion that Germany was an "aggressive threat" to the United States, given
the Hitler's desire for peace with the U.S and White unity.   

>> 2)  That Germany had they possessed nuclear ability would have been an >
>"aggressive threat against the U.S." despite Hitler avowed goal of White >
>unity;

>Here, as you have before, you deleted the answer I gave previously and
>claim that I have not answered your questord."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler,
>Houghton Mifflin, p651

Laughable!  I notice you DELETED the quote itself which you made from Mein Kampf because
the quote DIDN'T support your assertion!  Quite a bit a artfulness there, I notice, Mrs.
Ahlf.     

>> Where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and eradicating the other
>that last one was a little too snide, I apologize for the incivility.)

>So 'remove the Jewey of your greatest hits.

Nice try at evasion.  Again, I ask where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and
eradicating the other races?  You evasion, Mrs. Ahlf is only making your prevarication all
the more obvious.

>>     Try again.

>I keep trying and trying, Mr. Stele, but each time I post an answer you
>either delete it or repost it attached to a different question in your
>response.  But I will remain patient because your continuing dishonesty
>and inability to debate in good faith does more damage to your positions
>than I could ever hope to do with mere words.

LOL!   All you so far have succeeded in doing is proving yourself as a shameless
exaggerater!  Please remember, I also await your the proof of your position that Mr. Giwer
lost EVERY ARGUMENT.  That is what you claimed.  Or should I reproduce your post?

>Oh, where are those questions I had for you - they seem to have been
>deleted by you again.  An honest mistake, I trust?

Rather a discard of yet another obvious evasion on your part to obfuscate that you have so
far presented NO evidence of your assertion that Hitler's goal was to enslave and destroy
the other races. 

>[This is, I believe, the 4th time this message has been reposted]

What can one do?  I have asked for proof of your claim about Hitler several times and you
apparently believe that by reposting the same evasions you substantiate your position.
Once again, Mrs. Ahlf, a lie is not made truth by a series of successive postings, despite
the wishful thinking of the Nizkor ilk.

Kurt Stele 





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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>Actually, "kurt,"  all the law says is "if you claim it on your product it 
>must be true."  So this "kosher" law is actually just a form of truth in 
>advertising law, which has NOTHING to do with religion at all.  
>For example, were we to package your brain for sale it would be illegal to 
>label it "high grade" or "prime" because that would be lying.  

It is a state law enforcing a religious standard which Jews only may dictate the
definition of.  Only Jews have specific state laws for their religion which they control a
subjective standard.

>You know, "kurt,"  you should be better acquainted with the social concepts 
>surrounding lying in all its forms - afterall you do it so often.

Actually the Kosher Food Scam is nothing compared to the Holocaust.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>Believed to be connected the OKC bombing?  By whom, lying Jews like yourself?  That
>>indicates very little of course.

>I'd suggest you read *The Turner Diaries* and read the bombing of a
>Federal building in that book, but I believe your reading
>comprehension is rather low.

Gee, do you think the Talmud causes the Israelis to torture Palestinians and shoot
Palestinian children in the head with Uzis?   Let's see how good Andrew Mathis' reading
comprehension is, shall we?

-------begin----------

This study is based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of the
Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. Every selection we cite is
documented directly from the text of the authoritative Soncino Talmud. We
have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look
them up for yourself. To verify the Talmud passages cited, refer to the
Soncino edition Talmud, which may be found in large university and seminary
libraries. The Soncino Talmud may also be purchased from book dealers.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human ("Only ye
are designated men"). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, "Oil of
Anointing" and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals
("she-asses").

Jews are Divine Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the
Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile
("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite
gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a
Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost
by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in
Baba Kamma 113b).

Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an
old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a
Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile
("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a
Gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has
"exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges")
to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are
animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b . Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Abodah Zarah 67b . "The vessels of Gentiles, do they not impart a worsened
flavor to the food cooked in them?"

Gittin 57a . Says Jesus ( see footnote #4) is being boiled "hot excrement".

Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament
books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish
Religion, p. 21).

Yebamoth 63a . Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Genocide Advocated by Talmud Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is
the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best
of the Gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the
Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia,
published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the
entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish
Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been
altered, The best among the Egyptians being generally substituted." In the
Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim
41a-b]. Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave
of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of
non-Jews. ("Jewish Press" of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox
Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children,
while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the
late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from
the Talmud." (Cf. CBS "60 Minutes", "Kahane").

Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldsteins philosophy: "They
believe it's God's will that they commit violence against
"goyim," a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood
and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989,
p.5). Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish
fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

----------end-------------

I definitely think the Talmud caused those Israelis to shoot those Palestinians, don't you
Andrjew?

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).



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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <54spjr$3d7@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:

>> I have already posted the law by which Rabbis dictate who can be
>imprisoned for a
>> misdemeanor for selling improperly prepared kosher foods, in which a
>state law enforces a
>> religious standard which only Jews can determine.  This is a violation of
>Church and
>> State, yet another great privilege for the Self-Chosen.

>No, you haven't, Mr. "Stele:"
> 
>You have posted a REGULATION that says "if you CALL it kosker, it has to BE
>kosher."
> 
>That's all you've posted. It is in NO WAY a violation of Church and State,
>any more than a regulation that says "if you call it fat free it has to BE
>fat free" is a violation.
> 
>By the way, I'm waiting for you to answer these:
> 
>Explain blue laws.
>Explain why banks are closed on "Good Friday"
>Explain why schools are closed for Christmas and Easter.
>Explain why schools are NOT closed on Passover, Yom Kippur, or Hannukah.
> 
>Still waiting,
>Sara

Already responded to.  Please learn to read.   As I said before my school was closed for
Yom Kippur.  

But none of these laws punish with criminal prosecution an infraction of specific
religious law for an action which the religious members themselves alone possess the
control over the definition of.  This is a specific, pro-Jewish law, a violation of Church
and State, and also unconstitutionally vague as Jews disagree on what kosher is.  Only
Jews possess that privilege.  

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).




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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:


>Give us some evidence, you jackbooted liar.

>--
>Buddy K

Been posted.  Catch up!

Kurt Stele



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ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Oct 1996 09:35:19 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:

>>hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:
>>
>>>You continue to lie, Spiel.  Meanwhile, tell us why there is no Sunday 
>>>hunting in most states.  And why "In God We Trust" is on our coins.
>>
>>In my state nearly all Sundays laws have been struck down as a violation of Church and
>>State.  The only ones remaining are only because they are not challenged.  "God" is a
>>religious neutral reference accepted by virtually all religions.  Only JEWS get their
>>specific religious laws enforced by state law in obvious violation of Church and State.

>Sunday hunting laws were recently challenged in Michigan, schmuck.
>And the challenges were defeated. 

>Only ASSHOLES obsess on JOOOOS.

>You obsess on JOOOOS.

>Any questions?

Yes.

What other group besides Jews have state laws which mention THEIR RELIGION specifically to
punish with criminal prosecution violations of their religious law using a standard which
Jews alone determine?

Kurt Stele




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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
>>  In article <54t2g0$sda@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net "Yale F. Edeiken" 
>writes:

>>  >         That might be true in the U.K.  It is is certainly not true in the
>>  >  United 
>>  > States.  You, as a devoted reader of the ADL reports, must know that not only 
>>  > are acts of violence common but they are increasing.

>>  Check out Crying Wolf by Laird Wilcox; he documents numerous such incidents.

>	I have checked out his book.  It's bullshit.

Err, Yale, you'll have to provide some actual evidence of  your claim.  Blanket statements
from a known liar prove nothing.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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Greg Raven  wrote:

>Gord McFee wrote:
>> 
>> In message <54sppe$3d7@is05.micron.net> - kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)Sat,
>> 26 Oct 1996 10:48:54 GMT writes:
>> :>
>> :>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>> :>>>>>>
>> :>>Is that what you think?  We aren't desperate at all.  Hoess's
>> :>>testimony is worthless.  It is trash no matter where or when
>> :>>he gave it.  It is useless as a source of confirmation for
>> :>>your version of the Holocaust.
>> :>
>> :>And think of how much of the Holocaust DEPENDS on Hoess...
>> 
>> Wrong again, Kurt, but that's par for the course.  The Holocaust doesn't
>> depend on Hoess even a little bit, let alone a lot.  But you knew that.

>Really? Who would you cite as German eyewitnesses to the gassing
>process, then? Hoess, Gerstein, maybe Kramer? Kramer clearly did not see
>the details of any gassing, assuming for the sake of argument that the
>"special action" of which he writes was a gassing (I think it was not).

>Gerstein was a nut, who left seven (?) different versions of his
>"confession." Unfortunately, he died before he was able to make them all
>agree with one another.

>Hoess gives the best detail (including aspects of an alleged homicidal
>gassing that are contrary to the laws of physics and nature).

>It is commonly claimed that Hoess is the best SS witness to the alleged
>homicidal gassings. Without him, who do you have?

Err, Gord McFee?  You still there?

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

># Also, Konrad Morgen testified over 200 Germans were
># convicted for mistreating Jewish inmates,

>Dr. Morgen is not a witness you want to use. He testified at
>length about the mass murder in the gas chambers, both at
>Nuremberg and at the 1963 Frankfurt Trial. He did try to
>stop the *arbitrary* murders in Auschwitz, by trying to
>prosecute Grabner for killing 2,000 people that *he was
>not supposed to kill*, as they were murdered *outside
>the scope of the extermination operation*, as Morgen
>said. Anyway, Mueller stopped all proceedings against
>Grabner.

Look at the Hololocauster Keren calling a witness invalid!  That is quite fine.  You can
eliminate Morgen's testimony for being contradictory.  Then Hoess' precious (and
worthless) testimony will be also the first to go.   Invalidating witnesses only serves
the detriment of the Holocaust.   

># The Holocaust is a funny thing..
># When you hear about it, you wish it never happened..
># When you discover it's a hoax ya kind of wish it did!

>kurtzi! You saved me the effort of doing CTRL-R and including
>your famous quote myself. Thanks.

>-Danny Keren.

Welcome!  

Kurt Stele



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dvdthomas@aol.com (DvdThomas) wrote:

>But if you think the museum's expensive, this one involves a _bunch_ more
>zeros before the decimal point.......

>H.R.1868

>Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations
>Act, 1996 (Enrolled Bill (Sent to President)) 

>ECONOMIC SUPPORT FUND ASSISTANCE FOR ISRAEL

>      SEC. 517. The Congress finds that progress on the peace process in
>the Middle East is vitally important to United States security interests
>in the region. The Congress recognizes that, in fulfilling its obligations
>under the Treaty of Peace Between the Arab Republic of Egypt and the State
>of Israel, done at Washington on March 26, 1979, Israel incurred severe
>economic burdens. Furthermore, the Congress recognizes that an
>economically and militarily secure Israel serves the security interests of
>the United States, for a secure Israel is an Israel which has the
>incentive and confidence to continue pursuing the peace process.
>Therefore, the Congress declares that, subject to the availability of
>appropriations, it is the policy and the intention of the United States
>that the funds provided in annual  appropriations for the Economic Support
>Fund which are allocated to Israel shall not be less than the annual debt
>repayment (interest and principal) from Israel to the United States
>Government in recognition that such a principle serves United States
>interests in the region.

The aid to Israel is over 5 BILLION dollars.

Jesus Christ, how much more money are we going to give those people?

Kurt Stele



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>  In <54flii$ju7@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>  1) an authentic minutes that describes a plan to work Jews to death
>>  and deal with the rest

>Answered this.  The Wannsee conference did not mention the killing of 
>Jews as was attested to by some of the participants decades later.
>>  
>>  2) the construction of a large labour camp with an crematory
>>  overcapacity to be run by the very people given the task of settling
>>  the Jewish question

>Crematory ovens were common in camps.  Auschwitz was a massive
>facility, consequently they needed more ovens, especially since they
>broke down frequently anyway.
>>  
>>  3) construction documents which make reference to gas chambers at the
>>  places where bodies are to be disposed of

>These refer to gas chambers for delousing and bodies which had died
>from disease or old age, etc.
>>  
>>  4) a document which orders that the accounting of prisoner property
>>  cease just at the time that the mass murder of inmates is alleged to
>>  have begun

>Taking property for the war effort is not the same as taking lives.
>This is apparently a coincidence.
>>  
>>  5) a speech by the man in charge of settling the Jewish question in
>>  which he says that "the Jews are being exterminated"

>This speech is highlly controversial and far from established that
>Himmler even uttered the words attributed to him.
>>  
>>  6) forensic reports which show traces of cyanide consistent with
>>  multiple, short-lived exposures to cyanide gas

>This is in certain areas, such as the morgue, where bodies would
>be kept longer until autopsies were performed.  Consequently, though
>these areas were disinfested, they were not disinfested as frequently as 
>the barracks.
>>  
>>  7) forensic reports which show graves containing human bone and ash
>>  where witnesses said they ought to be

>This is consistent with the thousands who died from epidemics.
>>  
>>  8) eyewitness accounts that people were murdered with poison gas at
>>  Birkenau

>These I have been dealing with slowly but surely.  I could
>always use more.  From these same sources we are told
>that 4 million Jews had been killed by gas in 1944.
>>  
>>  Now, you may opt for an argument that claims that all of these bits of
>>  evidence are the result of lies, torture, chicanery, and forgery. I
>>  will expect you to prove each allegation of an imposture.

>I have given my explanation.  You will give yours, of course, which
>will expectedly be at complete variance with mine, as I am 
>referred to as a "denier" and you a "defender".
>>  
>>  Or, you can construct your own narrative which deals with a mere eight
>>  pieces of evidence and which provides a complete and coherent
>>  alternative account of the railway records that shows that the Nazis
>>  meant the Jews no harm--or some such thing.

>In brief, I supplied it for you.  However, I plan to post some of
>the problems I have with the article writtren by Pressac and
>Van Pelt in Anatomy of a Death camp.
>>  
>>  If you are serious about debating history, you will at least attempt
>>  to deal with the evidence like an historian.

>If there is no evidence per se, then we must try and 
>use our common sense, and the situation seems to be 
>dualistic in nature.
  
Every so often a Holocauster lays down all the cards on the table.  The result:   it is
immediately revealed that Holocausters have no physical evidence of extermination by
gassing.   

John you shouldn't do this in the future.  Considering you pretty much presented all the
"evidence," and registered a perfect cipher for yourself, the lurker need await no further
refutation of the "holocaust."   This makes it too easy.   I suggest you adopt Kerenian
shell-games.  It may give the Lie a few more days at least.

Kurt Stele



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alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

><*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
><+[Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (] [26
>Oct 96 06:45][*][0]*>

> KS> I have already posted the law by which Rabbis dictate who can be
> KS> imprisoned for a misdemeanor for selling improperly prepared
> KS> kosher foods, in which a state law enforces a religious standard

>Nope! You posted a law that has absolutely nothing to do with Rabbis
>dictating anything.

Where else besides does the standard come from?  

>The law in question is the same law that forbids putting a UL seal
>of approval on faulty wiring or an FDA-approval label on
>improperly-prepared drugs.

The state law also punishes with criminal prosecution those who violate Jewish law.

Kurt Stele


>--
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:


>[excerpted from larger message]

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>> These Holocausters are utter cowards...
>> Cowardice is the hallmark of Holocausters.

>If "holocausters" are so cowardly, then why did you abruptly break-off
>your discussion with me after I caught you in a flagrant deception?  Why
>have you refused to respond to any of my challenges?  Boredom or
>cowardice?

You never refuted points, nor did you ever substantiated yours about Hitler.  You never
replied to the last response I made.  You may feel free to do so at any time.  You are an
exaggerative cliche-spitter, whose writing is perfectly summed up by your claim that Giwer
"lost every argument."  Earlier when you attempted to refute Giwer, you could not debate
Giwer to keep yourself warm and your attempts were laughable. Then you responded (cowardly
enough) by declaring you would not debate Giwer anymore, that he was beneath you, when in
fact your positions had been reduced to the point of embarrassment.   

Kurt Stele



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Here are the points of proof I keep asking for from Mrs. Ahlf although she studiously
ignores my request for support of her claims.  

Only this time, she has another exaggeration to support.  On 10/24/96 Mrs. Ahlf wrote that
Giwer "lost every argument" on alt.revisionism, although she has so far presented ZIPPO
support for this rather broad assertion.  

I'm afraid her assertion about Giwer probably will also be relegated to the heap of glib
exaggerations Mrs. Ahlf is prone to.   However, few bother to ever call Mrs. Ahlf on them
simply because very few take her seriously, and with good reason.  

-------begin----------

Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>Mr. Stele, you are at the very least sorely mistaken, and more likely
>simply dishonest.  I refuted all of your points (how can you question
>*that*) and I supplied quotes and citations to back-up my claims
>(something you did not even attempt to do.)

>I didn't substatntiate Hitler???  I only used a direct quote from his own
>book, Mein Kampf.

You claimed Hitler's goal was to enslave and destroy the other races.  To back up you
baseless assertion, you quoted from Mein Kampf "the hand of the Jew cannot 

Here's Kimberly Ahlf claiming that Hitler stated his goal was "enslaving and destroying
other races":  

>So you equate Lindbergh's wish to preserve his own racial heritage with
>Adolf Hitler's stated goal of enslaving and destroying the other races?

Here's what Kimberly Ahlf PRESENTS to "prove" (sic) her claim that Hitler "stated his GOAL
was enslaving and destroying the other races": 

>" it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over
>nations.  No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the
>sword."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler, Houghton Mifflin, p651

Where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and eradicating the other races"?  

Kimberly Ahlf, as usual, is lying and exaggerating.  

>> whose writing is perfectly summed up by your claim that Giwer
>> "lost every argument."

>Thank you.  I seem to recall that when you challenged this statement and
>were asked to produce evidence of Giwer ever *winning* an argument, you
>could not.  Can you now?

Why Sure.  After you go ahead and prove Giwer "lost every argument."   You made the first
claim -- you back it up.   Remember, you must prove Giwer lost EVERY ARGUMENT.   I'll
await the proof for your assertion.  I'm waiting.   

By the way you backed up your claim about Hitler I won't expect more than a mediocre,
tendentious effort from you.  

>That's pretty funny, Mr. Stele.  I haven't debated Giwer, other than in
>passing comments, since sometime around June.  Are you saying you remember
>that debate?  Perhaps your imagination can produce some evidence of these
>statements you claim I made?  Why don't you produce a few of my
>"laughable" attempts while your at it, since you seem so familiar with
>them?

All on Deja News!   My favorite is at the end of the string when you, having been
thoroughly reduced, made the convenient and cowardly "I'm not going to argue with Giwer
anymore!" retreat and then posted a ludicrous attack on Giwer, in typical Kimberly Ahlf
style.   

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>>> Not that it's relevant, but since you keep insisting thast it is:
>>>
>>>
>>>       Washington, D.C. October 21, 1939
>>>      A newly appointed Advisory Committee on Uranium met here to 
>>>       consider the possibility of building weapons of almost unlimited
>>>       destructive power. The committee was created by President
>>>       Roosevelt after he received a letter from Albert Einstein saying
>>>       that "vast amounts of power" could be released by setting up
>>>       nuclear chain reactions in a large mass of uranium.  There are
>>>       indications that German scientists are already working on such a
>>>       uranium bomb, the Einstein letter warned.
>>>
>>>       -Chronicle of America, Chronicle Publications p 686


>> How does this in any way PROVE Germany was an AGGRESSIVE threat to > the
>United States?

>Hey, Kurt- you just changed the question!  How doI know you changed the
>question?  Because here is how the above quote first appeared when I
>answered it :

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>    Now, go to the library and present
>> some EVIDENCE of your assertion that the war against Germany was 
>> fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a Nuclear danger.

>Not that it's relevant, but since you keep insisting thast it is:


>        Washington, D.C. October 21, 1939
>        A newly appointed Advisory Committee on Uranium met [etc... see     	  
>				above]

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

>See?  It's a different question at the top of my quote than the one you
>now pretend you were asking.  If you don't believe me, go back and check.
>The original post is still there on alt.revisionism.  Why did you try to
>take my evidence out of context?

This doesn't prove your assertion.  Prove that the U.S. GOVERNMENT made the decision to
attack Germany because of a nuclear threat specifically to the U.S.  This is perfectly
consistent with either question I asked.  Demonstrate the U.S. government's war motive was
tied to a German nuclear threat.  I'm still waiting.

>The quote proves that the US *was* in fact considering Germany's nuclear
>threat prior to WWII.  Whether the US did so in error or not is a matter
>of historical debate, but the fact that they were at least considering it
>is proved by the committee that was created in response to Einstein's
>letter warning of Germany's potential threat.

>> It DOESN'T!

>The question is, why did you delete the original question and then use an
>entirely different question in its place?  Did you really think I wouldn't
>remember and be able to cut it out of the old post (BTW- if you question
>my accuracy on this you can just scroll up to the post which still exists
>on alt.rev.)

BOTH questions are relevant to your claim that the war against Germany was fought because
of a nuclear threat to the United States.   Do you think I would forget that a specific
nuclear threat to the U.S. wasn't in issue?  Obviously, the Soviets had potential for
nuclear capability as well.  You still fail to demonstrate that the war was fought against
Germany because a nuclear threat it posed to the UNITED STATES specifically.  

I continue to await your evidence.  If it's anything like the last "evidence" you posted
to substantiate your cliche that Hitler wanted to "enslave and destroy" other races, don't
even bother posting it.  You'll only confirm yourself as a shameless and irresponsible
exaggerator.

>You have called me a "liar" many times in the past, but have been able to
>produce no evidence that I have lied (unless you consider your emphatic
>opinion.)  Does your misrepresentation of my above quote not at least
>qualify you as dishonest?

See above.   Your post about Hitler is a lie you continue to deny even though it is in
black and white above!   I await your evidence to that post as well.

>> Hitler's goal was White unity not White eradication. 

>What on earth are you trying to say now?  That I claimed Hitler's goal was
>to eradicate the *white* race?  

No, that Hitler's wish was not war, put peace with the U.S.  Ergo, not an aggressive
threat to the U.S. as you claimed.

>>            DUH!

>Your fierce rhetorical powers have once again renderred me speechless.

Your lying renders me bored.

>> ONCE AGAIN, you provide no evidence for any of your cliche-filled
>assertions:

>There's that word again.  May I suggest "trite", "tired" or "worn-out" as
>possible alternatives to "cliche?"

Cliche suits you just fine.  Your lies do not vary.  Neither should their description.

>BTW- which is it: are my 'assertions' cliche filled or are my 'answers'
>cliche filled?  (Just a little quality-control survey...)

>> 1)  That the US entered the war to destroy a "German Nuclear Program"

>I never asserted that, you know it,  yet you keep repeating it.  That fact
>doesn't matter, though, because to please you I did answer this request
>for evidence by pointing out that the potential German nuclear threat was
>suspected by the US (the Einstein warning, remember, which Roosevelt acted
>upon by appointing a committee.)  How big a factor this threat was in
>Roosevelt's descision to oppose Hitler is a matter for his biographers,
>not me.

You admit above you cannot provide proof that Roosevelt DELIBERATELY entered the war for
that reason -- only Roosevelt knew about it, and that is all.  So what.  Roosevelt knew
about the Soviet capability as well.  Shoddy or non-existent backing for your claim.  

You claim quite loudly that your original assertion was only that the war on Germany, in
RETROSPECT, was a good idea given their threat to the U.S..  Again, no proof for this
threat whatsoever.   I await your proof.  I'm waiting.

>Note: this answers your request that I provide "some EVIDENCE of your
>assertion that the war against Germany was fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a
>Nuclear danger."

Still doesn't prove that.   See above.  But even more significantly, is that is fails to
prove your assertion that Germany was an "aggressive threat" to the United States, given
the Hitler's desire for peace with the U.S and White unity.   

>> 2)  That Germany had they possessed nuclear ability would have been an >
>"aggressive threat against the U.S." despite Hitler avowed goal of White >
>unity;

>Here, as you have before, you deleted the answer I gave previously and
>claim that I have not answered your questord."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler,
>Houghton Mifflin, p651

Laughable!  I notice you DELETED the quote itself which you made from Mein Kampf because
the quote DIDN'T support your assertion!  Quite a bit a artfulness there, I notice, Mrs.
Ahlf.     

>> Where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and eradicating the other
>that last one was a little too snide, I apologize for the incivility.)

>So 'remove the Jewey of your greatest hits.

Nice try at evasion.  Again, I ask where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and
eradicating the other races?  You evasion, Mrs. Ahlf is only making your prevarication all
the more obvious.

>>     Try again.

>I keep trying and trying, Mr. Stele, but each time I post an answer you
>either delete it or repost it attached to a different question in your
>response.  But I will remain patient because your continuing dishonesty
>and inability to debate in good faith does more damage to your positions
>than I could ever hope to do with mere words.

LOL!   All you so far have succeeded in doing is proving yourself as a shameless
exaggerater!  Please remember, I also await your the proof of your position that Mr. Giwer
lost EVERY ARGUMENT.  That is what you claimed.  Or should I reproduce your post?

>Oh, where are those questions I had for you - they seem to have been
>deleted by you again.  An honest mistake, I trust?

Rather a discard of yet another obvious evasion on your part to obfuscate that you have so
far presented NO evidence of your assertion that Hitler's goal was to enslave and destroy
the other races. 

>[This is, I believe, the 4th time this message has been reposted]

What can one do?  I have asked for proof of your claim about Hitler several times and you
apparently believe that by reposting the same evasions you substantiate your position.
Once again, Mrs. Ahlf, a lie is not made truth by a series of successive postings, despite
the wishful thinking of the Nizkor ilk.

Kurt Stele 





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hkilpatr@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.) wrote:

>Kurt Stele (kurtstel@micron.net) wrote:

>: A judge does not know what kosher is.  Even the Jews do not what kosher as they have
>: several conflicting definitions.  The law itself is vague as well as being an
>: unconstitutional entanglement of Church and State.  The Jews alone have state laws to
>: criminally prosecute violations of their religious customs according to standards they
>: alone dictate.  

>You are lying through your teeth, you jackbooted idiot.  Or else you are
>the dumbest man in America.  Nobody can be fined or jailed without going
>through the legal system (unless they pay a fine without contesting it). 
>Nobody!  Read the US Constitution.  People have a right to trial by jury
>which they can waive in certain instances and get a trial by judge.  But 
>nobody has the power to punish anyone for any infraction without a trial.

Considering I never made the claim Jews can imprison without due process your response is
rather quaint.

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).




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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:

>In article <54n0l0$s86@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net wrote:


>> This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  There were supposedly
>hundreds and sometimes
>> thousands gassed at time.  Who was monitoring the stage of disease or
>malnutrition of each
>> prisoner to the point where a soldier would say "woops, looks like this
>one's ready to
>> go!"   

>Well, when someone dropped in the middle of working, they'd go to the gas
>chamber.
>When they were unable to make roll call in the morning, they'd go to the
>gas chamber.
>When they became weak, the went to the gas chamber.
> 
>Why is that so difficult to understand?

Crap.  Then why were inmates sent to camp hospitals?  Why were inmates over 65 still kept
alive?  

Kurt Stele

The evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates at
Auschwitz were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an
internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation
department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of
25,000 Jewish inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the
remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work. 

(Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document No. 128, in: H.)



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>And they didn't conceal their names because of persecution; they were
>FORCED TO CHANGE THEIR NAMES BY THE GOVERNMENTS IN THE COUNTRIES IN
>WHICH THEY LIVED.

If persecution justifies Jews concealing their names then the same rule applies to
revisionists.  

Kurt Stele



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Jews changed their names in Europe because THEY WERE MADE TO DO IT BY
>THE GOV'TS OF THE COUNTRIIES IN WHICH THEY LIVED.

Not always.  Many times Jews changed their names either for personal gain or to avoid a
stigma for being Jewish.  Several Russian Jews changed their names to goyish sounding
names, as well as many Jewish actors and actresses.  This had NOTHING to do with any
"government forcing them to change their names."  Felix Mendelsohn is a perfect example.  

The fact is Jews changed their names under force of persecution and you defend them, yet
you call revisionists cowards for doing the same.  You are a very typical Jewish
hypocrite.  

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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1@2.3 (oneat twentythree) wrote:

>dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>:Yet again, you're confusing the price of the whole
>:crematorium with the price of the cremation furnaces,
>:which was much lower. I posted the figures yesterday,
>:Why did you ignore them?

>:The gas chambers had to be built anyway, no matter how
>:the corpses were to be burned.

>	And again you deliberately misrepresent even the holohugger version of the story.  The
>currently presumed gas chambers were separate structures, not needing Kremas.  Thus, you
>know that the entire cost of the Kremas was an additional expense.  Look at the aerial
>photos Nizkor carries to verify what I have said.


Keren is a banal, jaded liar.  What can you expect?


>	As has been explained to you, the design is for the peak capacity.  And as above the
>total number is about the same as the rest over a longer period of time so there was no
>reason to do more than a pit.  And according to the holohuggers Treblinka had a capacity
>of at least 8000 per day with the open pit BBQ method.  But then, they used a special
>method that did not need fuel to do the burning.  


And there is the problem of where the fuel came from for even that method.  


Kurt Stele




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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

>"Why ship people all across Europe, set up 
>expensive camps, require hundreds of guards
>if you are going to work the "slaves" to death
>doing simple manual labor in a matter of weeks?
>The value of a few weeks of slave labor is
>clearly outweighed by the costs of camps,
>guards, transportation, administration.

God it is so obvious it is a lie.

>     Exactly!! So combining a labor camp with a death
>camp does NOT make sense.   Why have 60,000 
>witnesses to murder and body disposal, especially
>husbands mothers, etc. particularly concerned with
>their loved ones who just disappeared "up the ramp"??
>Does not make any sense.

No, it makes NO SENSE.  They think we're idiots.

>    My questions may be "kindergarten level" but it 
>looks like you flunked kindergarten.  
>Tommorow we will look at your "defense" of
>underground gas chambers.

Yes, it's time the Lie was put to rest.  

Kurt Stele



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joebuck@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:

>>The rules for what must be kosher and how to make an item kosher
>>could, with a few words changed to hide their origin, read like a
>>guide to the prevention of the spread of contagious diseases.

>   So, if this is the case, since food manufacturers in the United
>States ALREADY follow the most stringent food sanitation procedures in

>          *************
>the world, why pay the *MINISTERS* (i.e. rabbis) of a particular
>*RELIGION* (i.e. Judaism) to "inspect" and "certify" as "clean" what
>the manufacturers produce?
>  It's rather REDUNDANT -- not to mention costly -- to do so, no? 
>  DUH!


It's called "S-C-A-M."

Kurt Stele



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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:

>ihrgreg@kaiwan.com writes:
>>Harvard Law School Library wrote:
>>> 
>>> The new address for *HateWatch* : an online guide to hate groups,
>>>  is now http://hatewatch.org
>>>  Please make changes to your bookmarks.
>>> 
>>> The Editor
>>> HateWatch
>>> editor@hatewatch.org
>>
>>Don't bother visiting if you are looking for information on Jewish hate
>>groups.

>Greg is upset because he doesn't get top billing among the Holocaust
>deniers. But he's quite wrong (yes, about this, too). The JDL is listed on
>http://hatewatch.org/antichri.html

>Actually, you'll find no information "on" hate groups at all. It's just a
>library, providing links to web sites.

Greg is still correct that Jewish groups are NEVER included in any list of "hate groups."
Another perk of the Self-Chosen evidently.

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).



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ceacaa@aol.com (Ceacaa) wrote:

> The Leichenkellers 1 were built to be and were used
>as Leichenkellers.

You mean the wacky abnormal uses the Jews ascribe to them AREN'T true?   

Well.  Imagine THAT!

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them."  IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>>	Again, the concept of Total War was just rearing its ugly head to the world.
>>Unfortunately, it is the ONLY way to successfully fight a modern war, and the Allies were
>>the first to realize this AND be in a position to implement it. Many, many, many German
>>(and Japanese, for that matter) civilians were slaughtered during the Allied bombing
>>campaigns. The terror bombings over England were simply a taste of things to come.

>So you agree the Germans did it first.  Good!

WRONG.  The English government FIRST began the bombing of open German cities to force
relatiatory bombings by Germans in order to whip up enthusiasm for a war against the
Germans.   The English action would make Atilla the Hun ashamed.

Kurt Stele



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zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:

>These things, combined with many other things that I've read, have
>convinced me that my view of Jews seems to have been very wrong. These are
>not persecuted pacifists. They are merciless, brutal and totally
>unforgiving. They never forgive. They are not pacifists. They are
>opportunists. And when they have the opportunity they will destroy anyone
>who opposes them or displeases them.

It's indeed time the goyim learn this.  

Kurt Stele

"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the
destroyers. Nothing you can do  will meet our demands and
needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of
our  own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels,
p. 155).




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ron.schwarz[at]nethawk.com (Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply) wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:23:25 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
>wrote:

>>The state law criminally prosecutes violations of Jewish law, in a law which specifically
>>makes reference to Jewish law.  This is a violation of Church and State and
>>unconstitutionally vague, as even Jews cannot agree on what kosher is.

>The state law also criminally prosecutes other violations of Jewish
>law, such as murder and rape. 

>So what's your point?

Statutory murder and rape laws are NOT Jewish laws per se.

Kurt Stele

"[M]ost of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous
verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and
apologies."  

Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz in _Jewish Social Studies _(New York), January 1950, Vol.
12, p. 65. 



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   karlpov@access1.digex.net (Charles R.L. Power) writes:

>>  >No.  You gave the hypocritical answer I expected.  Two-faced,
>>  >two standards, and a forked tongue.  It's amazing that you are blind
>>  >to your own double standard, but there it is in your own words for
>>  >the world to read.  Why should I condemn you when you condemn 
>>  >yours.
>>  
>>  Two standards? You compare the murder of prisoners of war to bombing
>>  an enemy who was waging an aggressive war. Your standards are that
>>  anything done by the Axis is forgivable, anything done by the Allies
>>  an atrocity.
>>  
>>>>>
>Don't tell me what my standards are.  If you wish to discuss the 
>murder of POW's, let's begin at Stalingrad....and you can inform
>us why 90,000 Germans taken prisoner never made it back home.
>Next we can discuss the 15,000 Poles murdered at katyn by your
>humane "ally", the Soviet Union.   Next we can discuss the thousands
>of German servicemen who perished in Eisenhower's pow camps as
>a result of starvation, neglect, and disease.  Then we can discuss 
>the hundreds of Germans alleged to have committed suicide during
>or shortly after their "interrogation".  Then let's discuss the 60 Waffen
>SS men shot to death in France before Malmedy EVER happened, as
>was aired on a documentary on the Discovery Channel 2 months or so
>ago.  After we have discussed these points, I will be happy to discuss
>yours......

This Charles Power is a real winner.  FIrst he doubts the quotes of the Soviet Jew
Ehrenberg who extorted Soviets to kill and rape German women with glee, instigating the
largest mass rape in world history.  Then Charles claims van Roden's quote about Germans
being tortured and getting nearly all their testicles crushed, is a fake or forgery.  Then
when presented with proof it wasn't a forgery, Charles then claims the quote wasn't
reliable enough.  He's evidently still trying to cling the old thoroughly discredited
"good boy" image of the Allies.   What a joke.  Charles should grow up and get real.
Truth be known the Allies were far more savage than the Germans were.  

Kurt Stele



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Hardwire  wrote:

>Alec Grynspan wrote:

>> 
>> Then what evidence do you have of any persecution?
>> 
>> You have just nullified any claim that anybody other than a rather
>> mindless fool named Matt Giwer sent *ANY* requests to cancel any
>> accounts!
>> 

>Er.  Whatever to hell you just tried to imply you failed at miserably.

>The fact remains that complaints were filed by numerous people, albeit
>the SAME groups of people in each case, purporting illegal, and abusive
>activites supposedly conducted by one Matthias Giwer.  

>Yes, I suppose you're right.  Your logic astounds me.  Why don't I just
>set up an account on 4 different ISP's so that I can cancel them all
>myself no more than a week later each time.  Come to think of it, it
>sounds like FUN.  

>Use your brain for God's sake!

These Holocausters are utter cowards.  They reported against Giwer to his ISP's
unremittingly and constantly lodged complaints against him.  Cowardice is the hallmark of
Holocausters.  They suppress the evidence against the Lie over the airwaves.  They try to
harrass revisionists from the internet.  They pass laws in Europe imprisoning people for
revisionism.   Their "Holocaust" tale is so shoddy and incredible they have to use every
trick in the book to keep the lid on it.   It's pathetic.  

Kurt Stele



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Jeffrey  wrote:

>In article , Mark Van Alstine

>>Auschwitz:  10,000 / 52 = ~192 deaths per muffle. 
>>
>>Buchenwald: 10,000 / 6 =  ~1,666 deaths per muffle. 
>>
>>Dachau:     10,000 / 6 =  ~1,666 deaths per muffle. 
>>
>>Ergo, Auscwhitz could incinerate ~8.7 times as many corpses per unit time
>>as either Buchenwald or Dachau. Odd then, isn't it, that Auschwitz didn't
>>have ~8.7 times as many prisoners as Buchenwald or Dachau? 

>No it isn't.

>Typical, a question. 

>And the "holocaust" is supposed to be "proved". 

>It is well known that Auschwitz II (Birkenau) was going to be expanded,
>a extension called "Mexico" . Mr Van Alstine ignores this completely. An
>oversight on his part, no doubt.

That Mark Van Alstine!  All of his pseudo-scientific posturing and elaborate contortions
to make the Lie run right come to naught as usual.   No matter how much he tries to make
the Holocaust make sense, he just keeps getting his hat handed to him over and over.
Pretty sad to see someone trying to defend the ridiculous with such pathetically sincere
effort.

Kurt Stele


>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jeff Roberts
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>Let your love towards life, be love towards your highest hope:
>and let your highest hope be the highest idea of life. 
>Friedrich Nietzsche 1844 - 1900
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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>[Excerpted from Subject: Re: Fill Me In: ect...]

>I felt that the following deserved closer attention:

>Kurt Stele wrote:

>> Why Sure.  After you go ahead and prove Giwer "lost every argument."
>> You made the first claim -- you back it up.   Remember, you must prove
>> Giwer lost EVERY ARGUMENT.   I'll await the proof for your assertion.
>> I'm waiting.

>Don't you realize, Mr. Stele, how silly you look in your earnest demand
>for evidence supporting a statement that is, and can only ever be, an
>*opinion.* How can I prove my, or anyone else's, opinion of Mr. Giwer's
>performance?  

Good.  Next time, you will learn to assert your inane exaggerations as opinions instead of
positing them as FACTS.  Perhaps  you have learned a lesson here (doubtful!)

>How can it be proven to a man such as yourself who is
>willing to reject the *facts*, let alone the *opinions*, of the history
>surrounding the Jewish Holocaust?

How can facts be proven to someone who accepts on FAITH "Extermination by gassing" which
has NO physical evidence and is COMPLETELY CONTRARY to the evidence which DOES exist!
That you are unable to read clearly is of no surprise, but it IS quite consistent with
your "Holocaust" faith!  

>I will have to concede to you this, Mr. Stele:  I'm sure you believe Giwer
>won every debate he was in.  Go on believing that, and apply it to your
>evaluations of your own performance too, because your ignorance of your
>failings will only prevent you from improving your debating skills and
>ensure that you will continue to pose no serious threat to the truth.

LOL!   The truth is being exposed REGARDLESS of you or I!  REGARDLESS of the "thoughtcime"
laws in France and Germany, and the Jewish pressure groups, and the threats on Zundel's
life, and the imprisonment of revisionists.   NOTHING will prevents its emergence.  Your
crappy .little Hoax-industry is coming to an end!

>> By the way you backed up your claim about Hitler I won't expect more
>> than a mediocre, tendentious effort from you.

>Tendentious:  characterized by a deliberate tendency or aim, esp.
>advancing a definite point of view  (-Webster's New World, 1991)

>So my effort is "mediocre and tendentious," is it my fault that nothing
>more is required of me in order to strip your arguments bare?  

No, it IS your fault that you make exaggerations you try to back up with false support.

>You have
>not offered so much as an alternative interpretation of the Mein Kampf
>evidence to support your criticism of it.  Even mediocre, tendentious
>effort from you would be a welcome change.

Liar, liar, and LIAR.  Not only have I offered an "alternative interpretation" of Hitler
words in _Mein Kampf_ I have offered the CORRECT interpretation!!!  Namely:  that
liberation from Jewish control can only be secured by force.  NOWHERE does it say YOUR
interpretation, that Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy the other races."  Just
like there is nothing to support the Holocauster view of "extermination" rather than
evacuation, in a document which states CLEARLY what was occurring.  You a twister of
words, and a liar!

>> >That's pretty funny, Mr. Stele.  I haven't debated Giwer, other than in
>> >passing comments, since sometime around June.  Are you saying you
>> >remember that debate?  Perhaps your imagination can produce some
>> >evidence of these statements you claim I made?  Why don't you produce a
>> >few of my"laughable" attempts while your at it, since you seem so
>> >familiar with them?
>>
>> All on Deja News!  

>I am flattered that you have been reviewing the archives for my work
>dating back at least three months.  I was not aware of the extent to which
>you will go to find a shard of something on which to base your attacks.
>Do you have a research department combing Deja News for every word that I
>have written, or do you do all this reading yourself?

I was going to delete the above but every bit of tripe that is deleted is responded to by
your claim something is being "hid" by my deletion of your words!   What do I care if your
words are deleted or NOT, I've nothing to hide!   (what a waste of space though!)

>> My favorite is at the end of the string when you,
>> having been thoroughly reduced, made the convenient and cowardly "I'm
>> not going to argue with Giwer anymore!" retreat and then posted a
>> ludicrous attack on Giwer, in typical Kimberly Ahlf style.

>You are certainly entitled to state your opinions of what I have written,
>as you have done here, but when you put something in quotes, such as "I'm
>not going to argue with Giwer anymore!" you had better be able to cite the
>exact source.  Can you?  I cannot remember writing it, although I
>certainly found Giwer's inability to understand his own inadequacies as a
>debater exasperating enough to warrant such an outburst.

Oh crap!!  You are a perfect "Holocaust" representative.  Exaggerations are made and then
when called on, the response is "oh, don't take me seriously on it."   

To me it matters not, admitting error.  That is only honesty.   However, YOU are dishonest
as you make deliberate assertions as FACT.   You claimed Giwer lost every argument and
asserted it AS A FACT!   Now, when called on it, you are backbeddling on your
exaggeration, instead of retracting it, or saying "in my opinion", or what is far more
appropriate for you, "in my HUMBLE OPINION"!

>When you cite "thoroughly reduced", "ludicrous attack[s] on Giwer" or any
>other piece of evidence as you have here, are you aware that you are
>simply stating your opinion of something you have supposedly read, and not
>citing actual evidence?  Your audience knows this intuitively.

Yes, just like my "audience" knows "intuitively" that there something REALLY WRONG with
the Holocaust!   After all, though, according to you, I can just say if all else fails,
"it was just an opinion"!   A convenient escape I just learned from YOU!

>Why don't you repost this "ludicrous attack on Giwer" you say I have
>written and let others judge it.  Fly in the face of your convention and
>submit the evidence for once.

Contradict your normal behavior and submit support for your exaggerations for once!

>You seem very sure of yourself as you make these statements about me and
>what I have written now and in the past.  Unfortunately for you, most
>people reading these messages know the difference between confidence and
>competence.

Just like most people can read the quote from _Mein Kampf_ and find no mention of either
"destroying or enslaving" other races!  It takes a Holocauster to READ INTO to what ISN'T
there.  The entire "Holocaust" theory is BASED on such stretches!  Pathetic piece of
garbage that it is.  

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 




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Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>How *do* you interpret Hitler's statement that "No nation can remove [the
>Jews'] hand from its throat except by the sword" Mr. Stele?  Is Hitler
>proposing that Germans should get swords and cut-off the hands of Jews, or
>is he inciting Germans to destroy the Jews in their midst?

OH LOOK!!  Dear Mrs. Ahlf!!  Shame on you.   Changing the substance of your quote now!
You claimed Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other races!!  Shall I post it
again?  

A person removing a hand from his throat is the same as having "the goal of enslaving and
destroying the other races"?  My, aren't we at a loss for substance!!   

It says NOTHING about "enslaving and destroying" other races!!   You, Mrs. Ahlf, are a
LIAR!

>As I said before, if you are expecting a direct quote from Hitler
>stating the words "enslaving and destroying the other races," I'm affraid
>the record of his speeches given in English is rather slim.

READ:  "I can't back up my claim.  I tried to do quote an inapplicable passage of _Mein
Kampf which I later deleted out of embarrassment because it is SO OBVIOUS it doesn't prove
my point.  Now I'm going to say Hitler's works are in German to get myself off the hook!"


How CONVENIENT!  

Again, Mrs. Ahlf, liar and exaggerator par excellence, I ask for the ELEVENTH TIME:

Where is the proof for your false assertion that Hitler wanted to "enslave and destroy the
other races?"  

NOWHERE!   You, Mrs. Ahlf, are a LIAR!

>> Kimberly Ahlf, as usual, is lying and exaggerating.  

>As usual, Kurt Stele offers no real contradiction of my points other than
>stock insults and a constantly shifting standard of evidence. 

YOU made the assertion above on the ORIGINAL THREAD for Charles Lindberg!  You have just
ADMITTED you have NO PROOF!   Classic Kimberly Ahlf!  "Everything was in German!"  As if
every even "questionable" statement by Adolf Hitler hasn't been ALREADY TRANSLATED!  You
have no proof.  You are a LIAR.
 
>> This doesn't prove your assertion.  Prove that the U.S. GOVERNMENT made
>> the decision to attack Germany because of a nuclear threat specifically
>> to the U.S.  This is perfectly consistent with either question I asked.
>> Demonstrate the U.S. government's war motive was tied to a German
>> nuclear threat.

>Here's aperfect example of your constantly shifting standard of evidence.
>Notice the question started out "fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a Nuclear
>danger" and now it's become "Demonstrate the U.S. government's war motive
>was tied to a German nuclear threat."

I shifted NOTHING!!  I asked an ADDITIONAL QUESTION!!  You have STILL NOT answered the
FIRST QUESTION, to prove Germany was an aggressive or real threat to the U.S.   You have
tried to answer (abortively) a SECOND QUESTION, ancillary to the first, and are claiming I
switched questions!  I NEVER SWITCHED QUESTIONS, liar.  I asked an additional question
because you CONTINUE to evade the FIRST ONE!  

The first question again:    Prove that Germany was "an aggressive threat" to the United
States as you asserted in the VERY FIRST POST!  

You have so far presented ZERO evidence for your assertion!

>When Mr. Steles questions are answered, he simply changes the question
>until, he hopes, it becomes unanswerable.

See above!

>>  I'm still waiting.

>Your still waiting because I haven't yet provided evidence that you can
>refute.  You'll be waiting a long time for that.

Again, your assertions made in respose to my initial post on Charles Lindbergh, which
started this ENTIRE THREAD are unanswered.  You cannot support your assertions, Mrs. Ahlf,
you have evaded them, presented irrelevant quotes like the one from _Mein Kampf_, but
still refuse to substantiate your exaggerations!

>> >The quote proves that the US *was* in fact considering Germany's nuclear
>> >threat prior to WWII.  Whether the US did so in error or not is a matter
>> >of historical debate, but the fact that they were at least considering it
>> >is proved by the committee that was created in response to Einstein's
>> >letter warning of Germany's potential threat.
>> 
>> >> It DOESN'T!

>Saying so, no matter how upper-case emphatic, does not make your opinion
>supercede the truth.

Ritual citing of the same irrelevant quote from _Mein Kampf_ proves NOTHING of your claim
that Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy the other races."  You are a liar.
 
>> BOTH questions are relevant to your claim that the war against Germany
>> was fought because of a nuclear threat to the United States..   Do you
>> think I would forget that a specific nuclear threat to the U.S. wasn't
>> in issue?

>It's not really a matter of what *you* believe, Mr. Stele, it's a matter
>of what lies and distortions you are willing to propogate in order to
>advance your racist ideology.

You have already been proven a liar and an exaggerator, and still cannot support your
lies.

> Obviously, the Soviets had potential for nuclear capability as well.
>> You still fail to demonstrate that the war was fought against Germany
>> because a nuclear threat it posed to the UNITED STATES specifically.  
> 
>This is an example of your distortion.  *Your* statement was that
>Lindbergh was falsely lead to believe that Germany posed a threat to the
>US (you called this the "LIE").  *I* stated that Germany had the
>*potential* to threaten the US through its nuclear and missile programs.  
>I never said the US went to war with Germany to prevent a German nuclear
>attack (BTW- you do remember that it was Germany who declared war on the
>US first, or do you deny that fact as well?)

Your assertion, as I've stated no less than TWENTY TIMES, is MEANINGLESS if Germany was
not an aggressive threat to the United States!!  YOU claimed Germany WAS an aggressive
threat, just like you claimed Hitler's goal was "to enslave and destroy the other races."
Neither of your lies have been supported with ANY evidence.  USSR also had the "potential"
for nuclear weapons but the U.S. NEVER attacked the USSR.  

>> I continue to await your evidence.  

>None-the-less, since you continued to mischaracterize my statements, I
>decided to just meet your challenge to show that the war was "fought in
>ANY way BECAUSE of a Nuclear danger" by providing you with proof of
>Roosevelt's committee that was formed in response to the perceived German
>nuclear threat.

You have EVADED presenting proof for YOUR ASSERTIONS.  My question about the war "being in
any way" etc are MY WORDS.  YOUR assertions, like Hitler's goal was "to enslave and
destroy other races" and Germany was "an aggressive" threat to the U.S. are YOUR WORDS.
You cannot support YOUR OWN assertions!   They are LIES.   

>> If it's anything like the last "evidence" you posted to substantiate
>> your cliche that Hitler wanted to "enslave and destroy" other races,
>> don't even bother posting it.

>Yes, I can see why you wouldn't like me posting similar evidence.

LOL!   The statement "force to keep us from being strangled by the throat" and citing it
as EVIDENCE I wanted to "eradicate and destroy" other races?   You are a LIAR.

Nowhere does the quote mentions EITHER enslave or destroy;

Nowhere does the quote mention eradication, killing, or death of ANY KIND!!

You are a liar.

>>  You'll only confirm yourself as a shameless and irresponsible exaggerator.

>Do you really believe that if you just say these things enough times,
>eventually *someone* will accept them?

It is YOU who believes lie-repetitions will convince.  I'm STILL waiting for proof of 

1)  Germany was an "aggressive" threat to the U.S.

2)  Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other races;

3)  Giwer "lost every argument."

>> >You have called me a "liar" many times in the past, but have been able to
>> >produce no evidence that I have lied (unless you consider your emphatic
>> >opinion.)  Does your misrepresentation of my above quote not at least
>> >qualify you as dishonest?
>> 
>> See above.   Your post about Hitler is a lie you continue to deny even
>> though it is in black and white above!   I await your evidence to that
>> post as well.

>A lie?!!  It's from *his own book*!!!

And it DOESN'T PROVE your lies!!  Imagine that!!
 
>> No, that Hitler's wish was not war, put peace with the U.S.  Ergo, not
>> an aggressive threat to the U.S. as you claimed.

>So, Hitler's ideas on 'peace' and 'white-unity' can best be summed up by
>his invasions of Holland, Belgium, France, Denmark, Norway, etc...  You're
>probably right -  why *should* the US have feared nazi-Germany?

Hitler wanted peace and offered it to Europe.  France and England aligned against Germany
to destroy it.  France and England had aligned and were mobilizing for war against
Germany.  In 1938 Hitler offered to demobilize Germany and secure a peace for Europe.
That Jew-puppet Allied powers of England and France would have none of it!   You claim
Germany was going to invade the U.S.!   Float his tanks over the Atlantic!!  LOL!
 
>> >>            DUH!
>> 
>> >Your fierce rhetorical powers have once again renderred me speechless.
>> 
>> Your lying renders me bored.

>You must be bored, because your thinking seems very disengaged.

Your thinking is non-existent!
 
>> Cliche suits you just fine.

>I stopped counting your use of the word "cliche" at 18.  Here's a little
>excercise for you:

>1) Go back and count how many times you've described my writing as cliched

>2) Get a dictionary and look up the definition of "cliche"

>3) Look up the word "ironic"

>4) Relate your findings from activities 1,2 and 3

The repetitive use of the word cliche aptly FITS the monotonous lies you continue to
assert!  They deserve nothing more.

>>  Your lies do not vary.  Neither should their description.

>What lies, Mr. Stele?  You say I lie a lot but yet you offer no proof,
>only opinion.  You lied when you said earlier that you hadn't read a post
>of mine, yet you made reference to a "trip to the library" which I had
>written about in that 'unread' post.  You lied when you ask a question and
>didn't like my answer so you reposted my answer with a different question,
>the original having been deleted by you.

Your made the assertions:

1)  Germany was an "aggressive" threat to the U.S.

2)  Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other races;

3)  Giwer "lost every argument."

All cliches.  No evidence presented for ANY of them.  

>If I am indeed a 'liar', then you must be something far worse.

"LIAR" is an understatement considering your shameless level of deception!

>> You admit above you cannot provide proof that Roosevelt DELIBERATELY
>> entered the war for that reason -- only Roosevelt knew about it, and
>> that is all.

>That's right, and I never said, "Roosevelt DELIBERATELY entered the war
>for that reason."  You wish I had, that's why you continue to pretend that
>I did.  I only stated that Germany had the nuclear and missile *potential* 
>to threaten the US.  Go back and reread my statements until you understand
>them.

Again, you are trying to prove MY WORDS, and NOT YOURS.  YOU claimed the following:

1)  Germany was an "aggressive" threat to the U.S.

2)  Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other races;

3)  Giwer "lost every argument."

All cliches.  No evidence presented for ANY of them.  

>>  So what.  Roosevelt knew about the Soviet capability as well.

>Do you care to back this statement upo with some facts?  Remember, when
>Roosevelt died the USSR was still allied with the US.

The Soviets had the "potential" to gain nuclear power.  And they did!  Yet the U.S. did
not ATTACK them, even though the USSR had DECLARED designs on subverting the U.S.!

>But anyway, the evil Soviet empire was eventually defeated by us
>and our allies, just as evil Nazi Germany was.

Yeah, after Soviet empire killed millions (in a REAL Holocaust!) and took a huge chunk of
Europe.  The only reason why they didn't take ALL of it was the Germans!   The U.S. only
made Europe SAFE for communism.   

>>  Shoddy or non-existent backing for your claim.  

>Keep repeating it.  Eventually it might come true.

It is already true.  No need to repeat it!
 
>> You claim quite loudly that your original assertion was only that the
>> war on Germany, in RETROSPECT, was a good idea given their threat to the
>> U.S.. 

>Yes, considering your assertion that Lindbergh's participation turned-out
>to be based on a lie, I felt it was fair that it turnewd out (in
>retrospect) that his pasrticipation was well-founded.  But since you latch
>onto every miniscule point that you can possibly consture your way, I went
>ahead and provided you with the proof you asked for that the war was
>"fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a Nuclear danger."

MY question was in ADDITION TO the INITIAL QUESTION, although you STILL managed to flub
it!!  YOUR assertions STILL remain unanswered:

1)  Germany was an "aggressive" threat to the U.S.

2)  Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other races;

3)  Giwer "lost every argument."

All cliches.  No evidence presented for ANY of them.  

>> Again, no proof for this threat whatsoever. 

>The 'Advisory Committee on Uranium' etc... was convened in response to
>Einstein's warning that Germany was developing the bomb.

Still MEANINGLESS if Hitler WASN'T a threat to the U.S!   The USSR had the "potential" for
nuclear devices but Roosevelt only ALIGNED with the USSR!   You still have not proven YOUR
assertion that Germany was an "aggressive threat" to the U.S!  I'm waiting..

>>  I await your proof. I'm waiting.

>Mr. Stele, no one will ever accuse you of lacking gall.

Noone will ever accuse you of supporting your exaggerations!  
 
>> >Note: this answers your request that I provide "some EVIDENCE of your
>> >assertion that the war against Germany was fought in ANY way BECAUSE of a
>> >Nuclear danger."
>> 
>> Still doesn't prove that.   See above.  

>Yes it does.  See above.

Your original assertion TO THIS DAY remain UNSUPPORTED:

1)  Germany was an "aggressive" threat to the U.S.

2)  Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other races;

3)  Giwer "lost every argument."

>> But even more significantly, is that is fails to prove your assertion
>> that Germany was an "aggressive threat" to the United States, given
>> the Hitler's desire for peace with the U.S and White unity.   

>This is probably the fourth time you've deleted my answer to your demand
>for proof of Germany's "aggressive threat" to the US.  Let's post it
>again:

>Hitler's ideas on 'peace' and 'white-unity' can best be summed up by
>his invasions of Holland, Belgium, France, Denmark, Norway, etc...  You're
>probably right -  why *should* the US have feared such a non-aggressive
>nazi-Germany who only wanted to unify her in the same way the other
>'white' nations were being unified?

How does this contradict White Unity?  
 
>> >> 2)  That Germany had they possessed nuclear ability would have been an >
>> >"aggressive threat against the U.S." despite Hitler avowed goal of White >
>> >unity;
>> 
>> >Here, as you have before, you deleted the answer I gave previously and
>> >claim that I have not answered your questord."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler,
>> >Houghton Mifflin, p651
>> 
>> Laughable!

>Yeah, it's too bad.  About 20 lines of text disappeared right in the
>middle of that paragraph.  I reposted it with the full text restored, so
>stifle your chuckles and go read it.

Read!  STILL laughable!  I laughed HARDER still this time!

>>  I notice you DELETED the quote itself which you made from Mein Kampf
>>  because the quote DIDN'T support your assertion!  Quite a bit a
>>  artfulness there, I notice, Mrs. Ahlf.     

>You have yet to elevate your own grasping to an art form.  The Mien Kampf
>quotation has been reposted many times by me and, curiously in light of
>your above statement, deleted by you.  Here it is again, proving that
>Hitler's goal was to eradicate the Jews from the "throat" of Germany "by
>the sword.":

>    " it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over
>    nations.  No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the
>    sword."   -Mein Kampf, A. Hitler, Houghton Mifflin, p651

LOL!   NOWHERE does it say Hitler's goal was to "eradicate and destroy the other races!!"
You are QUITE a liar, Mrs. Ahlf and VERY typical for a Holocauster, who must grasp at
straws always to support lies and exaggerations.   

>> >> Where does it say ANYWHERE about "enslaving and eradicating the other
>> >that last one was a little too snide, I apologize for the incivility.)
>> 
>> >So 'remove the Jewey of your greatest hits.

>Again, more disappearing text.  Go read it on my reposting.

Nothing was deleted not irrelevant, and certainly not exaggerative!
 
>> Nice try at evasion.  Again, I ask where does it say ANYWHERE about
>> "enslaving and eradicating the other races?  You evasion, Mrs. Ahlf is
>> only making your prevarication all the more obvious.

>Who is evading, Mr. Stele?  Every time you are confronted with evidence
>you either change the original question or insist that I "Try Again."  I'm
>affraid you will never get evidence that satisfies you, because the only
>kind of evidence that will satisfy you is the kind you can refute.  You
>will wait a long time to get that from me.

Again, you claimed:

1)  Germany was an "aggressive" threat to the U.S.

2)  Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other races;

3)  Giwer "lost every argument."

Where, for the ELEVENTH TIME is your proof?

>> LOL!   All you so far have succeeded in doing is proving yourself as a
>> shameless exaggerater!  Please remember, I also await your the proof of
>> your position that Mr. Giwer lost EVERY ARGUMENT.  That is what you
>> claimed.  Or should I reproduce your post?

>[Chuckle] Boy, that is a real tough corner you've pinned me in!  I
>see you've finally grabbed an issue you think you just can't lose. Well,
>let's say I do submit *every* post Giwer has ever produced on alt.rev and
>in every post the common concensus is that Giwer lost the debate.  You
>would disagree, wouldn't you?  So, how are we going to solve this
>disagreement?  

That's YOUR PROBLEM, exaggerative liar!  You made the claim.  And you cannot back it up.
Maybe in the future you'll think twice before spouting ridiculous exaggerations, cliches,
and lies!

>You want to debate matters of opinion from here on out, do you?

Having lost EVERY argument is a VERY specific factual claim.  You made the claim, now you
can back it up!

>> Rather a discard of yet another obvious evasion on your part to 
>> obfuscate that you have so far presented NO evidence of your assertion
>> that Hitler's goal was to enslave and destroy the other races. 

>Oh, I see how the rules work here: When you reject evidence and demand
>more, it's "Kurt Stele that hard-driving debater."  When I ask you to
>present evidence backing your own assertions, it's "Kimberley Ahlf,
>obfuscater."

No, it's Kimberly Ahlf the typical exaggerator and liar.

>You've really got it sewed-up, don't you?!

You apparently thought noone would call you on your exaggerations, no?
 
>> >[This is, I believe, the 4th time this message has been reposted]
>> 
>> What can one do?

>Perhaps debating in good faith would be a good place for you to start.

Refraining from exaggerations and lies on your part would help, yes.

>> I have asked for proof of your claim about Hitler several times and you
>> apparently believe that by reposting the same evasions you substantiate
>> your position.

>I repost it because you have yet to do anything more than insist that it
>is a "lie."  It is a quote from Mein Kampf, Hitler's own words, and it
>clearly states that the Jews must be removed through violence.  If you
>disagree, rather than branding the evidence "a lie," perhaps you can offer
>an alternative interpretation of

>    "it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over
>    nations.  No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the
>    sword."

>You first dismissed that quote by saying it was a legitimate call for
>"defensive" action.  I wonder if you still stand by that long-lost
>statement and how that would square with your current position that this
>quote is not a call to any action against the Jews.

"call to any action against the Jews" is not YOUR original claim, exaggerating and now
shifting liar.  YOU said Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy the other races."
NOWHERE does your repeated quote say that!   Your exaggeration is exposed.  

>> Once again, Mrs. Ahlf, a lie is not made truth by a  series of
>> successive postings, despite the wishful thinking of the Nizkor ilk.

>Good advise.  I suggest you take it.

Don't forget, it was given to YOU.

Kurt Stele

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
wars of politics and possession."  

Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.




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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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Subject: Re: Is there a jewish political agenda?
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A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) wrote:

>Actually, a while ago an Exterminationist posted a similar claim about an
>Israeli politician he referred to as a notorious (anti-Arab) bigot who 
>accused George Bush of anti-Semitism for cutting aid to Israel. Don't forget
>they also cry anti-Semitism when people protest against Israeli torture of
>prisoners, Sabra & Shatila and the like. 

There is evidence the Mossad was planning on assassinating George Bush for cutting aid to
Israel.  It is in ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's latest book on the Mossad.

Kurt Stele



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From: kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
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yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:

>>   rblackmore@juno.com writes:

>  
>>  What you call a lie was simply human error due to the fact
>>  that I was relying upon memory until I found the source with
>>  the inscription.

>	Although at the time you were "relying" on your memory, you were 
>claiming as well that the source was in front of you.


>>  At any rate, I was not off base, as I have
>>  already explained under another post.

>	Your explanation was dishonest and inaccurate.

No his mistake was honest.   Yours are typically dishonest.  For example, you calling him
dishonest for an inadvert mistake is a LIE.  

Kurt Stele



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:

>>   jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:
>>  In <54fe62$ju7@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
>>  

>>  
>>  No, it is a different lie, and all the squirming and evasion in the
>>  world isn't going change the impression that you are talking through
>>  your hat.
>>  
>>  --
>>   John Morris                               
>>   at University of Alberta     
>>  -- 

>>  
>>>>>
>6 million lies, fake gas chambers, and you have the nerve to
>call me on this tiny error.  What hypocrisy.  The day is
>soon coming when the lie will be exposed completely and
>you will have to find another fraud to defend.

They are desperate to discredit you.  However, calling you a "liar" for an inadvertent and
utterly inconsequential error just shows the desperation they possess. 

Kurt Stele



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It has been recently brought to my attention that Kimberly Ahlf did not post the "I quit"
argument directed to Giwer but rather, it was Mrs. Kathleen Muhlhern.   Apologies to Mrs.
Ahlf on this point.   

However, I have no apologies regarding Mrs. Ahlf's exaggerations regarding the original
Charles Lingbergh post in which Mrs. Ahlf claimed Hitler's goal was to "enslave and
destroy the other races" and that Germany was "an aggressive threat to the U.S" as she
still has not produced support for either of these points.   It was these exaggerations
which began the current thread in the first.

Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

>OK, Mr. Stele:  Just how do you propose resolution of this debate over
>Giwer's performance?  Do you really expect me to post *every* debate Giwer
>has ever engaged in as evidence, and then review each debate to determine
>its outcome?  At the end of this excercise, would you be prepared to do
>the same in order to disprove my assertion?  Doubtful.

Sure.  All I would have to prove is that Giwer won ONE argument.  See how when you
exaggerate you make an ass of yourself?  

>You're right, I *have* learned a lesson here:  The lesson is that you will
>grasp at anything, no matter how trivial a matter (who really cares what I
>or you think of Matt Giwer's debatinbg skills?) to evade the ropes that
>you slip around your own neck.  

LOL! Your flair for melodrama and exaggeration never fails to leave me in tears!!  As I
said before, I say again Mrs. Ahlf:  You are the perfect representative for the Lie of the
Holocaust.    Low on facts and evidence, high on schmaltz!!

>Why else would you have brought this minor
>issue into a debate about the circumstances of Charles Lindbergh's
>racist beliefs and decide to focus so heavily on it? If this
>"exaggeration" is going to forever be the crux of your criticism of me,
>then I have very little to fear from you indeed.

Your hyperbolic comment about Giwer is another example of your notorious exaggerations,
Mrs. Ahlf.

>You see, Mr. Stele, *I* have no faith in history so I interpret the
>historical record critically.  *You* on the other hand, have faith in your
>racist ideology so you interpret the historical record through the prism
>of your racist ideology.  

Crap!  The Holocaust either stands or falls on its own merits regardless of the feelings,
beliefs, or shoe size of anyone.  There are holes in the Holocaust you could march an army
through.  That is why they have to ban revisionism in Germany and France (and soon
England).

>Consequently, I can view hours of newsreel
>footage of bulldozed corpses and see evidence of mass extermination,
>whereas you view the same footage and see a Jewish conspiracy to fabricate
>images in an attempt to propogate race war. My perspective requires very
>little "faith," while yours demands it.

Again the impotent recourse to newsreel footage.  Masses of bodies a Holocaust does not
make, Mrs. Ahlf.   There were huge epidemics of typhus as you know or should know.  There
is no physical evidence for extermination by gassing.  The entire fish tale has been spun
out of the contradictory estimony of so-called eyewitnesses and the completely worthless
testimony of tortured German prisoners.   

>> LOL!   The truth is being exposed REGARDLESS of you or I! 

>You are absolutely correct here.  The truth *is* being exposed as it has
>been since the first Nazi death-camps were liberated in 1944.  And the
>truth holds up quite well to the attempts of hysterical racists like
>yourself who try to deny it.

Yeah, sure.  And that is why even LEFTIST papers in France are now admitting the Holocaust
is a LIE.

>> Your crappy .little Hoax-industry is coming to an end!

>Eventually you will realize that in order to undermine the widely accepted
>notions of truth and history, one has to do more than criticize.  One has
>to offer proof of one's own.  So far, in all of my discussions with you,
>you have offered no proof of your own, constantly defering the production
>of evidence to me.

You made the assertions on the Lindbergh thread.  I suppose you now think it is
unreasonable to be expected to support them.  
 
>> No, it IS your fault that you make exaggerations you try to back up
>> with false support.

>Well now, which is it?  Are my arguments "mediocre" or are the
>"exaggerative?"  You are never short on insulting descriptions of my work
>but you are always short on critical refutation.

"Mediocre" and "exaggerative" are not mutually exclusive concepts, Mrs. Ahlf.  Evidently
you have to be told this.  
 
>> Liar, liar, and LIAR.

>Do you find you are having more success with the triplet construct than
>Bob "liberal, liberal, liberal" Dole is having?

It reflects your continued exaggerating quite accurately.

>>  Not only have I offered an "alternative interpretation" of Hitler
>> words in _Mein Kampf_ I have offered the CORRECT interpretation!!!

>And, after much anticipation, here it is:

>> Namely: that liberation from Jewish control can only be secured by
>> force.

>"Secured  by force" a very clean is a very clean interpretation of the
>phrase "by the sword," but I'll accept that from you.

>>  NOWHERE does it say YOUR interpretation, that Hitler's goal was
>> to "enslave and destroy the other races."  

>And when the Jews did not leave Germany or her occupied territories this
>"secured by force" would mean what?

Whatever it means it does not mean Hitler's goal was to "enslave and destroy" the other
races.  You still have yet to produce proof for THAT exaggeration.

>> Just like there is nothing
>> to support the Holocauster view of "extermination"

>No, no newsreels of bulldozers burrying piles of corpses, eyewitness
>testimony from Jews, Gentiles and Nazis alike supporting the existence of
>a massive Nazi extermination program.  Nothing.

Geez.  This is pathetic.  All you have is newsreel footage of dead bodies.  So THAT is
what fooled you, eh?   Don't worry, plenty of people are fooled by that.  It works quite
well because few go so far as to demand physical evidence of extermination by gassing.
Then it is discovered:  it never existed.

>Your denials, on the other hand, are quite concrete.  You *say* newsreels
>or other documentary evidence is faked - so they are.  

No.  That is not what I said.  Please read it again.  

>You *say* Jeish testimony is lies - so it is. You *say* gentiles are motivated to lie
>by... (why are gentiles like Chuck Ferree motivated to lie about the
>horrors they saw in the death camps, anyway?)  

Germans were put on trial in a naked exercise of victors' vanquish and convicted at a
kangaroo court of pseudo-justice at Nuremberg, based primarily on the worthless testimony
of a tortured man.   That is all the Holocaust is. 

>You *say* the Nazi
>witnesses were tortured into confessing and testifying against others - so
>they were.  Yes, Mr. Stele, you certainly have the hard facts on your
>side.

Even the British guard Clarke boasted of torturing Hoess.  You evidently have a very
pollyannic view of Allied "interrogation techniques."

>> rather than
>> evacuation, in a document which states CLEARLY what was occurring.

>Ah, mysterious documents are invoked.  I guess this is allowable.

The Wannsee Protocol.

>Where were Europe's millions of Jews evacuated to?  I've seen the
>"holohugger's" documents listing the people or numbers of people
>transported and interred into death-camps, but never any lists of
>imigrations into foreign lands.

>> Oh crap!!  You are a perfect "Holocaust" representative.

>Boy, I wish that were true!

It IS true.   You have no facts, plenty of high sentence and emotive blather.  Perfect!.

>In my humble opinion, Matt Giwer lost every argument he was ever in.

Thank you and please desist from exaggerating in the future.  

>Now, as to matters of honesty:

>Why did you say that you had not read my post which contained on offhanded
>comment about my "trip to a library," but then also make reference to my
>trip to the library in the very same post in which you'd denied reading
>it?

Well, Mrs. Ahlf, because I HADN'T read any post about a trip to the libary, and to this
DAY I don't know you are talking about.  Every post you claimed I ignored has been
reposted and I responded to it.  "Library" is not an uncommon word in the English
language.   Could it be (perish the thought!!) that I SUGGESTED you go to the library,
perchance, of my own accord?

>Why did you ask me to produce evidence that the war was "fought in ANY way
>BECAUSE of a Nuclear danger," and then when I produced evidence of a
>committee Roosevelt had comissioned to study this threat and the
>technology, you reposted my response with a different question?

Because you never responded to the ORIGINAL question, which was your assertion that Hitler
was an "aggressive threat" to the United States.   And you STILL haven't produced this
information!

>> Yes, just like my "audience" knows "intuitively" that there something
>> REALLY WRONG with the Holocaust! 

>Yes, your audience does know intuitively that there was "something REALLY
>WRONG with the Holocaust."  They know it was barbaric, sinister, deadly,
>and inspired by the same racists ideology that you now espouse.

Let me rephrase again so that not even YOU, Mrs. Ahlf, can deliberately miscontrue the
obvious message in it:

My "audience" knows "intuitively" that there's something really DECEITFUL, INACCURATE,
DESPICABLY AND KNOWINGLY FALSE, FRAUDULENT, BOGUS, SPURIOUS, and FAKE about the Holocaust.


>>  After all, though, according to you,  I can just say if all else fails,
>> "it was just an opinion"!   A convenient escape I just learned from YOU!

>No, Mr. Stele, you've been demonstrating mastery of that technique for a
>long time now.  Maybe someday you will present evidence, rather than
>defer it, and demonstrate that you hold something other than mere opinion.

You have no physical evidence for the Holocaust.  It is a piece of lying bullshit.  Very
plain.  Very simple.
 
>> Just like most people can read the quote from _Mein Kampf_ and find no
>> mention of either "destroying or enslaving" other races!

>You're right, most people would read "by the sword" to be a very benign
>phrase as you read it.  

We can read the Ehrenberg's quotes the same way.  Either way, it does not prove your
assertion Hitler's goal was "to enslave and destroy the other races."  Hitler's goal
WASN'T that.  Instead of being honest that you were wrong, you want to continue to evade
the error.   And then support the error with a quote from _Mein Kampf_ which you must then
"reinterpret" again.   (Another oft-used Holocauster technique of "historicity.")   You
refuse to admit error even though it exposes you as foolish, because you won't accept ANY
facts which contradicts Hitler as your personal Satan.  That is fine.  I have no interest
is disabusing religion.

>>  The entire "Holocaust" theory is BASED on such stretches

>You're right:  We say there are 2,000 bodies being bulldozed in that scene
>when on closer examination there obviously are only 1,750.

Bulldozing is what you present to prove extermination by gassing.

Err, right.

>> Pathetic piece of garbage that it is.  

>Such statements as these, which you are prone to, have the strong
>appearance of "broad exaggerations."  Using the same standard of debate
>you have used with me in this Giwer-loses-every-debate issue, why don't
>you set about trying to prove these assertions of yours?  Are they just
>your opinion?

I have done so and will continue to do so.   I assume you will continue, in vain, to try
to prove extermination by gassing occurred.  

>> At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
>> invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
>> that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
>> 1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 
 
>This last little paragraph of yours was quite thoroughly debunked by
>Edeiken and McVay, I believe (though I'm certain you would disagree), so
>why did you feel compelled to repost it here?  It has nothing to do with
>what we have been discussing.

Thoroughly debunked?  Please post proof that the above was not presented at the Nuremberg
trial.  I noticed you now use "I believe".  You are finally learning.  Nevertheless, I'll
await your proof it wasn't used at Nuremberg.  If you disprove it was not presented at
Nuremberg, I'll desist from quoting it.    

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" a device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 






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It seems Van Alstine is in a desperate attempt to gain control of the forum for the
Holocausters.  None of his mass-posts succeed in proving extermination by gassing, or the
mystery of why inmates would be shipped at great expense to work for a few weeks and then
be gassed.   His posts are the same, tired, worn-old anti-German propaganda, eyewitness
testimony, and exaggerative garbage.   Poor Van Alstine.  Nizkor poster child of the year
once again.  Send your donations in today.

Kurt Stele

At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans
invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21,
1946).  No reputable historian now accepts this fanciful tale. 

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