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LOUIS FARRAKHAN -- 03/14/96
===========================
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has been awarded "Newsmaker of the
Year" by the National Newspaper Publishers Association. He spoke, at a
dinner given in his honor by that association, on March 14, 1996. The
speech was broadcast on C- Span that same day. The following are excerpts
>from  his talk. 

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[Farrakhan had recently returned from a trip to Africa and the Middle East.]

When they were saying, "Down with America! Down with Israel!" I says,
"Stop!" I said, "Say, '*Up* with God! *Up* with the Koran! *Up* with
truth! *Up* with righteousness!' And when you go up with God and up with
truth, you've already put the enemies of God and truth and righteousness
down."

My role is the role of a teacher. And the sad thing is, you've got too
many politicians and too few teachers. And *ignorance* is the worst enemy
of the peoples of the earth! And America is full of it. [laughter]... Full
of ignorance, that is. [laughter] 

I wanted to tell you *why* I went [to Africa and to the Middle East], and
the success that followed that trip. 

I won't be long.

The Million Man March accomplished its objective, and then some. When
something is of God, it goes beyond what we think and contemplate, or can
figure. When something is supported by God, it is incalculable. Because
you may be able to calculate Farrakhan, but you can't calculate what
supports him. So you make mistakes in trying to handle me. And you are
making *grave* mistakes in the way you treat me -- black *and* white. 

When the Million Man March concluded... As you know in *our* minds (in our
small minds) I saw the black male being castigated all over the earth (the
black male in particular, black female too) with degenerate culture
displayed in movies, in videos, in our recordings. Everything negative
about us has been portrayed throughout the world. So that if we were
slaughtered, the world would not give an outcry because of the way we
*look* in the eyes of the world. I wanted, by the grace of God, to change
that image. I know I couldn't do that by myself: it was not a Muslim
thing. I never tried to proselytize faith. This is *bigger* than
Muslim-Christian! But it is not bigger than faith. And therefore
Christians and Muslims and agnostics and Pan-Africanists and nationalists
and those of scholarship and those of no scholarship: we *all* had to work
together to produce that effect. And by the grace of God, we did. 

And I am happy to report to you that, to every country into which we
travelled, the *first* thing that came out of the mouths of the heads of
state as well as the common people: "We saw that Million Man March." They
were touched! And the *image* of black America has been changed.

Now, I recognize that a vision came through me (it's not *from* me). And
whether you may call it fortunate or unfortunate, the March propelled
Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, and all of us who participated -- we
all went up, together. 

Now, the effect of the media: you paid no attention to the Million Man
March at all, until approximately 3 weeks before the March when you knew
you couldn't stop it. Then you had to find a way to hurt it.

>From the very beginning, this was not a march *against* women, 
this was a march *for* women! It was a march in *behalf* of women! It was
a march in *atonement* for what we have failed to do for our women and the
abuse that we've heaped upon our women! 

And some said, "Well, I've been a good father. I don't need to atone. I
haven't got anything to atone for." 

Just be quiet. [laughter] There is *no* human being on this earth, from
the Pope on down -- or on up [laughter] -- that can say that they have
nothing to atone for. *All* human beings are guilty of sin. And every one
of us needs to get closer to God. 

And the beauty of the Million Man March was, it was the first time that it
was a *God*-centered march, a God-centered demonstration. And that is what
accounted for the decorum; the peace; the tranquility; the brotherly love
and affection: that over a million human beings could gather on the
Washington Mall, and not one incident, not one arrest. We made history. 

But after we made history, I went into a depression. Not elation, but
depression. As I read the reports, I stopped. I couldn't read any more. I
heard myself characterized, on television, by *noted* "commentators", as a
"madman", a "nut". [mimics] "He's crazy. That's what he is." So befuddled
were *they* at the success of the Million Man March, that the only thing
they could think to do was to discredit me, and then to try to separate
the message from the messenger. [mimics] "It was a good message. Ah... but
that messenger's no good." [laughter]

Now all of you have Jesus, but you've been separated from His message.
You've got the man, but you don't have His righteousness. So this "divide
and conquer" is always at work! And at that time, they said, "This was not
a march for black men. This was a coronation." A coronation. I could see.
I could see my cross. Instead of saying, "King of the Jews" -- "King of
the Negroes". I could almost see what was about to take place with me. And
I told those with me: I said, "The crucifixion is not far behind this."
Because those that know that they don't control me cannot allow me to
continue.

Now let me just say a few words about the *motive*. 

Why do you write like this? "He's 'grubbing' for money." "Grubbing".
[laughter] "He has some debt with his new restaurant in Chicago." "He's
'grubbing.'" Why do you write like that? As though having debt is a crime.
Well then you should write about your country -- 5 *trillion* dollars in
debt. Who are *you* "grubbing" for? What are *you* "grubbing" for?
[laughter and applause] As long as a president of the United States is
pursuing a war in contravention of Congress... They send emissaries to the
King of Arabia, to the Sultan of Brunei, didn't they? For what!?
"Grubbing". [laughter] [mimics] "'Grubbing' for money." But the Washington
Post and the Washington Times and the New York Times and the Atlanta
Constitution *never* say, "They were 'grubbing' for money."

"Farrakhan is a traitor. He went to Libya and they shot down an American
plane with American people on board. I bet you never talked about that!"
Don't be so self-righteous now. You really care about the lives of the
people on Pan-Am [flight 103]. We're human beings. We pain at the loss of
those lives, any of us who travel on airplanes, to think that some nut
would put a bomb in an airplane when you are rejoicing, going home to your
family for Christmas? And a hole is blown into that plane when it's 37
thousand feet above? And that hole just causes the whole plane to blow
apart? Human beings falling out of the sky? Can any human being who is
sane and intelligent be happy over something like that?

But America acts as though this just happens to Americans. Was a Libyan
jet shot down by Israel? Come on. Did it happen? Was an Iranian jet shot
down by Americans, with 290 persons aboard? And according to what the
Iranians said to us, America has *never* apologized! Nor offered
compensation. Now is that right? 

So are the Iranian lives less valuable than the American lives? Are the
Libyan lives less valuable than the American lives? Are Israeli lives lost
more valuable than all human beings on the earth?

You placed an embargo on Libya. Why? What is your reason? You *used*
Pan-Am 103 as a justification. And you used the bombing of a discotheque
in West Germany where *two* lives were lost as a justification to send
bombers, out of England, to attempt the most expensive assassination
attempt in the history of the world. But that's "O.K." because that's
America! We can do what we want; we have the power.

Wrong is wrong. And if Khadaffi says, "I will turn over my nationals to be
tried, but not in America. Not in England. Try my nationals in a neutral
country." *If* you are so convinced that you have the truth, that Khadaffi
and Libya *did* do it, let's bring the truth out! But don't use the media
to try Libya *in* the media so that 87 percent of the American people,
when there was an attack on Khadaffi, went along with it and said,
"Hooray." You don't *kill* the heads of state of other nations with whom
you disagree. You never tried that with Russia! You've never tried that
with China! But you're so powerful, you pick on little nations: bringin'
out your stealth bomber on Noriega, in Panama! Killing innocent people
down there and *lying* to the American people, saying that you did not
kill a whole host of people. 

[...to be continued...]

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LOUIS FARRAKHAN -- 03/14/96
===========================
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has been awarded "Newsmaker of the
Year" by the National Newspaper Publishers Association. He spoke, at a
dinner given in his honor by that association, on March 14, 1996. The
speech was broadcast on C- Span that same day. The following are excerpts
>from  his talk. 

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[Farrakhan had recently returned from a trip to Africa and the Middle East.]

[...continued...]

You don't know, America, unless you've travelled! And if you've travelled
and *seen*, you can't keep your mouth shut if you're a human being, with
moral consciousness.

I'm not anti-American. This is the only country I know. I was born here.
With all America's faults, there's not another country like this anywhere
on earth. And I said this in the *heart* of those persons who don't like
America. I said, "If I spoke like this in this country or any other
country, I probably wouldn't live tonight." But I can speak like this in
America. That is America's saving grace: freedom of speech, because we can
correct her when she goes astray. We pay a price for it though. Oh yeah.
Oh yes. But you have to be willing to pay the price. 

This is a ship, a great ship. But her rudder is gone. And she needs
guidance. If she doesn't get right guidance, this great nation will go the
way of those nations before her, that died of an internal rot. There's no
nation outside of America that can destroy America. America's destruction
is coming from within! And she has been set up already and made *ripe* for
a takeover. Why shouldn't I be able to *say* this to the American people!?


You are like masturbators, playing with your sex organs while your *world*
is going to hell! Should not somebody tell you!? What's *wrong* with the
preachers, what's *wrong* with the teachers, what's wrong with you that
your government has gone astray and you can't say it? And if I say it, I'm
an "unpatriotic", "anti-American", "cavorter with dictators". 

That's awful. That is awful.

I got up, after the Million Man March, and I had no desire to speak
anymore. I looked in Newsweek magazine, and I saw a caricature by a
cartoonist. He had the tomb of Martin Luther King, Jr., and on that tomb,
"I have a dream." And then a caricature of Louis Farrakhan, "I have a
scheme." "The dreamer is dead. The schemer lives."

What is the subtle message there?

Mr. [Carl] Rowan writes, "Farrakhan is a curse that just won't go away."
Will you now *send* me away?

Brothers and sisters: this is a dangerous time. And that's why the NNPA
[National Newspaper Publishers Association] should be applauded. Because
they had the courage to make Farrakhan "Man of the Year". People call you
and say, "Why would you do that? He's controversial." But I heard there
was a big argument in the boardroom of Time magazine, because they also
said *there* that I should be "Man of the Year", at Time magazine. They
said, "How can we do this?" [laughter] So Newt Gingrich won out.
[laughter] 

(I *heard*. I don't really know that that's true. It's *rumors*, you know.
And you all print rumors. [laughter] So print *that*!) 

I'll be finished in a second.

I became so despondent after the Million Man March. I wanted to be quiet,
to know what I should do next. And I went out into Arizona, in the desert,
and I became quiet and I prayed and I fasted. And the Spirit told me to
get up, and leave the country immediately, and go to Africa and make a
world day of atonement. Go to the Middle East. Go to those countries that
are under sanction and see the effect on the people. 

You live in America, and that is a great blessing. Because you've never
suffered one city to be bombed. Only we, the blacks in America, have
experienced bombing [sic]. In Oklahoma, and in Philadelphia. But as a
rule, Americans have not suffered like the peoples of the world. You can
look at war stories, but to live them... You can go and see the
devastation of cities like Sarajevo, Mogadishu(sp?), and Beirut: once
beautiful cities, levelled because of civil war, civil strife. But you
have not seen that, except of course during the rebellions of '64, '65,
'66. And after Dr. King was assassinated, in '68. We rose up, and burned
down neighborhoods. But in the Rodney King situation, people were thinking
a little differently and there was serious devastation. But by and large,
the American people are very blessed. Very, very, very blessed.

But when God told me to get up and go... I didn't hear a voice; I don't
want you to think that I heard a voice now. I didn't hear no voice. It's
just the Spirit. And when the Spirit moved me to do that, I got up.

And usually a trip like that will take 6 months to plan -- and a *minimum*
of 3 months. It was planned in *3* *weeks*. 

And brother, in the middle of the planning, President Ab- Acha(sp?) of
Nigeria sent an emissary to me, to ask me if I would come to Nigeria. And
I said on one condition -- two conditions: that there be security (because
I didn't want to take a chance and get assassinated in Africa). And
secondly, that I must be allowed to speak to Chief Ab-Eola(sp?), I must be
allowed to speak to the opposition. And within 3 days, I got word back
that my petition was granted.

And so we included Nigeria on our world tour. Now when you *read* about
it, they'll make you think that I only went to Sudan, Nigeria, Iran, Iraq,
and Syria. "Thug-fest". 

Well let's see all the thugs that were in that fest. 

We landed in Ghana. (President Rawlings(?) is very respected in these
circles these days.) And we had *serious* talks, private talks, about
Africa, about democracy, and about Nigeria. I wanted his opinion. And I
got it.

>From there we went to Liberia. War-torn Liberia -- which is 
produced of America. And yet hundreds of thousands of lives have been
lost, and America hasn't done anything; the United Nations hasn't done
anything. Not anything.

We visited Ghana, Liberia, Nigeria, Libya. (I gotta say something about
Khadaffi.)

Members of the press, look: When the Million Man March was over, I got a
call from President Khadaffi. I was surprised. He was so excited, I
couldn't even recognize his voice. When he calmed down (and then he spoke
through an interpreter), he said words to this effect: he was so impressed
with the Million Man March, that he would put the wealth of Libya behind
the Nation of Islam. 

Now that's what he said. And I *know* the CIA has it, 'cause it was
trans-Atlantic telephone.

Now I went to Libya. Not "grubbing" -- looking. [laughter] If Khadaffi
wants to grant us a billion or more dollars, some of you say, "Well I
won't receive it." Well fine. But with America cutting back on
*everything* that is meaningful to us... "Welfare reform", huh? Well then
if Khadaffi wants to *grant* a billion dollars, for us to build homes... I
certainly won't buy guns. You know my history, and you know the history of
the Nation of Islam. We buy farmland. We set up schools, universities,
factories. Isn't this what black folk need!? *Send* the money, Khadaffi!
[applause]

And listen: if there is a *legal* way to do it, I think I should receive
it. (We don't want to do anything illegal. Oh no. *Oh* *no*. But we want
to do everything *legal*.) And if he sends it, and I receive it -- you'll
be the beneficiary. I don't need a billion dollars. But *we* do.

We've got plenty of money in America. But that would help, to get
something started. Can you think of what we could do with it? I thought to
myself (honest to God), "The NAACP. That's my organization. They shouldn't
have to be in debt. Not with what they've done for all of us." I would
love to free *all* black organizations from white philanthropy.

[...to be continued...]

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LOUIS FARRAKHAN -- 03/14/96
===========================
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has been awarded "Newsmaker of the
Year" by the National Newspaper Publishers Association. He spoke, at a
dinner given in his honor by that association, on March 14, 1996. The
speech was broadcast on C- Span that same day. The following are excerpts
>from  his talk. 

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[Farrakhan had recently returned from a trip to Africa and the Middle East.]

[...continued...]

But we will not take guidance *or* instruction from those who bring the
money. Our instructions have to come from *our* own effort and our
instruction, our counsel. We do not need *anybody* outside of America to
tell us what to do for our liberation. We *cannot* be agents of foreign
power.

But if the foreign power wants to grant us money, that's fine. I mean,
America didn't mind getting money from the king to finance debt in
Nicaragua. I think -- wasn't it James Baker? Who went to Iran? Was he
"cavorting"? [laughter] Of course not, because he was sent by an American
president. What was he over there for!? He was over there [laughter], he
was over there trading arms for hostages. I think I remember reading
somewhere in the press that the hostages could have been released during
the Carter administration. But they held those hostages, on a deal that
was made, to be released in the Reagan presidency. 

Talk to me, and tell me if I'm wrong. *Somebody* was 'round here
"cavorting". [laughter]

And they were using money to take lives! Now they want us to stop
receiving money to save lives.

Now I'll tell you what I said to Khadaffi. (And if they bring me before
Congress, it'd be *wonderful*! I would love to tell *everybody* what was
said.)

Here's our Dr. Ali, who I sent to Kenya. And he found a man named David
Koych(?) who had a breakthrough in AIDS: Alpha Interferon. And we took the
tablets from Kenya, and developed it into a liquid, by the grace of God.
And what *we* said to Khadaffi is, "Mr. Khadaffi, guns is not the way.
Guns is not the way." I said, "Brother Khadaffi, you could enhance your
image if *you* would set up a pharmaceutical plant here, and use your oil
money to mass-produce Alpha Interferon, since Africa is dying from the
scourge of AIDS." And I said, "If *you* would develop innoculations..."
(Because we can't trust the people that are innoculating our babies. We
don't know *what* they're putting into our children. But if we had a
source that we could rely on...) "If you would do that, your image could
be cleaned up. And you would be, in history, as a humanitarian
revolutionary rather than a man with a gun."

Did he agree? He agreed.

I believe -- now listen to this! Every one of these countries that America
says are enemies, they can come in. Because they all want a relationship
with America. But you know what the problem is? Economic, social, and
political justice. If they get that, they're your friends. These are *not*
enemies of the American people.

When we went to the Sudan -- that's not a country that's a threat to
America. Stop it! If there's slavery there, we have to condemn it. We're
children of slaves. But we're not gonna condemn it [based] on a newspaper
report. Let's go and see. 

We need our own fact-finding group of scholars that we can put money
behind. *You* go and see whether there's slavery in Mauritania. And if it
is, *all* of us will condemn it because slavery should exist nowhere on
the earth! Isn't that right? Sure it is. But let's not be bamboozled (to
use Malcolm's words) by media hype.

I want to go before the Black Caucus, if I can't go before Congress. I
would rather speak to the members of the Caucus and give them the inside
details of everything that we said and did, so that we will not allow them
to alienate us from each other when we need each other so *desperately* in
this critical time period.

And the last thing I want to say: I went to Iran. Iran definitely is
against the state of Israel. No question about it. [laughter] Iran does
not like America's government establishment. And I was there during their
celebration and I'll tell you, I felt a little strange, you know, when I
hear people chanting, you know? But I spoke to them, because I am a
Muslim. And although I see myself coming out of a Christian tradition, and
love my Christian upbringing... I could never be an enemy of Christians
because I have accepted Islam. So I brought Christians with me, to show
Christian-Muslim unity! Because that's the *only* thing that can save
Africa, is the *unity* of Christians and Muslims and not Christian-Muslim
antagonism.

In Iran, I spoke before 5 million Iranians. I mean, this is the
*audience*. It was the largest gathering I ever spoke before. The American
press said, "Tens of thousands." [laughter] Boy... Yeah but you should
have counted the tens and tens and tens and *tens* of thousands. And I was
the first, and *only* person, in the history of modern Iran, to be granted
the opportunity to speak to the Iranian people on the occasion of the
celebration of their revolution.

Now why do they trust me and not you? Because I have a track record of
fighting for and in behalf of the oppressed. I am not a *slave* to
America's foreign policy. And therefore, as a free man, they invited me to
speak.

And in that context, I spoke to the whole nation of 63 *million* -- under
sanctions -- and comforted them. As an American citizen, I'm speaking to
those who are *hurting* because of what America's foreign policy says. And
our words inspired them, comforted them. And they mobbed Farrakhan, like I
was some rock star. 

I talked to their theologians. I talked to their students of theology. I
visited their holy cities. The security almost got destroyed, just trying
to keep the people *from* me -- not to hurt me, they just wanted to touch
me.

They wouldn't say this to you.

[Nelson] Mandela, the moral authority of the black world. You didn't want
to show Mandela embracing Farrakhan. You didn't want to show Mandela
welcoming Farrakhan. You *lied* to the American people, telling them that
Mr. Mandela "lectured" me, "chastised" me. You're a *liar*.

How could a man that'd been in prison for 27 years "lecture" me on racism,
and I'm the product of the suffering of people for 400 years, as he is? He
told the press, "I *spoke* with Farrakhan for 45 minutes and there was
*no* area in which we disagreed." They didn't say that to you! They took a
picture of me moving a fly or some mosquito or something that was on my
head, so they made me look "befuddled". [laughter] This is *wicked*,
wicked, wicked, press! Wicked! The man came out of his house with his arms
outstretched and said, "Louie!" And rushed into my arms and I rushed into
his and we just stood there hugging each other in front of the world
press. And the *only* picture that they could put before the world was me
scratching my [forehead]. 

In Iran, they cried when we left. They took us to the border of Iraq,
because we had to go overland. And here were Iraqis on one side, Iranians
on another, with guns on both sides. And they were handing us over to the
Iraqis. And they, with tears in their eyes, said "good-bye" to us. And the
Iraqis hugged us, and then put us in buses and cars and took us
straight-away to Bagdad. 

We were only in Bagdad 27 hours. And we had a private meeting with Saddam
Hussein for one hour, I think it was an hour-and-a- half. An
hour-and-45-minutes. We met with the Ministry of Health. We met with the
Ministry of Information. We spoke to the nation. 

But the one thing that touched us most: we went to the children's
hospital. And we saw the babies, who are suffering under sanctions. The
World Health Organization knows this. The United Nations knows this. Over
560 thousand children have died in Iraq since the war. (Where are those
pictures?) 

[Shows enlarged photo] This is a mother holding her baby. This is a
two-year-old child, that weighs 12 pounds. Malnutrition throughout Iraq.
People dying on operating tables. And the people who are being operated
on: they have no anesthesia. The beginning of the operation and the end
are the *most* traumatic. *Pulling* *teeth* without anesthesia.

[...to be continued...]

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LOUIS FARRAKHAN -- 03/14/96
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Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has been awarded "Newsmaker of the
Year" by the National Newspaper Publishers Association. He spoke, at a
dinner given in his honor by that association, on March 14, 1996. The
speech was broadcast on C- Span that same day. The following are excerpts
>from  his talk. 

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 

[Farrakhan had recently returned from a trip to Africa and the Middle East.]

[...continued...]

You've got to go and *see*, brothers and sisters, for yourself! Whether
Saddam Hussein is right or wrong, why should the children die!? And you
have a slogan, "Save the Children," and 500 thousand of 'em dead in Iraq.
And you can *see* hunger in the faces because there's no food, adequately,
for the children to eat!

The mothers are bringing forth their babies prematurely because of
malnutrition. And they've got incubators in there that they can't even get
parts for! They've got to put 2 in an incubator. 

You've got to go, and *see*!

But of course, there's an embargo. You can't go. *You* can't go. *I* can!

And the reason I can go is *not* because I'm a "defiant negro". I am a
human being! And I am *not* just an American citizen, I am a *world*
citizen! You can't limit me to the continental United States of America!
I'm *not* just you. You didn't *take* me from "just you". You *brought* me
>from  Africa, why shouldn't I be concerned with what you're doin' in
Africa? 

I am a Muslim, and I must be concerned in what happens to Muslims all over
the earth. And you cannot limit me by your laws! 

And for you to tell me that you can arrest me for interfering in your
foreign policy, then you should come on and do that! Because I'm gonna
interfere with *any* policy you have that evilly affects Africa, the
Middle East, the Caribbean, Central and South America! [applause]

[Shows enlarged photo] Here's a baby. What's this disease? Hemi-
hypurger(?). It's a birth defect. Not from malnutrition, this is from
uranium in the bombs! We saw children dying, of Leukemia. That is
*treatable* -- but there's no medicine to treat them. This child, on one
side is swollen big, on the other side it's small.

Many of us couldn't leave the hospital with dry eyes. The Minister of
Health, Dr. Ali(?), he was so incensed by what he saw because he knew he
wasn't in a hospital. He said he was in a death camp, because a hospital
is where you *cure* people because you have the means to cure them! Here's
a hospital that doesn't have the means to cure. So the doctors are just
presiding over death! This is what sanctions have done. 

And a great American statesman said (I can't think of his name now), he
said, "Sanctions is a method of mass destruction." And I agree.

And I say this to you in conclusion: I am hurt, to come back home, to be
treated like an enemy when I did a friendly thing. And believe me, there's
linkage now, in places where there was no linkage before. There's economic
opportunity that opened up. That is magnificent.

And so I conclude saying, black brothers and sisters, stop using the
language "minority". Never again should you use that, in reference to
yourself. You are only a minority if you limit yourself to America. But
when you see yourself as an international people, then you outnumber the
oppressor 11-to-1. You are the majority people on this earth, and you
ought to start *acting* like the majority party and taking
*responsibility* now for your brothers! And your sisters.

We were blest to be brought into slavery. That was a cursing, but it
turned out to be a blessing. Because we grew up in the house of the world
leader. And we went to the best schools that there is in the world and we
have mastered every art, every science, every discipline. And now we must
use that to *lift* human beings all over the earth.

They didn't tell you that I went to Turkey, a white Muslim country. Now if
I'm such a racist, why did I go to Turkey? You should have seen us
Muslims, just huggin' and kissin' each other! The *white* Muslims, kissin'
the black Muslim. And the black Muslim kissin' the white Muslim. Because
we are Muslims! And we look *past* color and race when we mature! 

Brothers and sisters, this trip was historic. 

And they sent me to Syria, through the Iraqi border. And Syria's and
Iraq's borders have been closed for years. And the only way we could get
to Syria was that President Saddam Hussein had to talk to President
Hassad. And they talked. 

And I talked to *each* one of these persons about reconciliation and
atonement. Iran and Iraq have slaughtered each other; over a *million*
lives have been lost. Should I not ask them to atone? To reconcile?

Brothers and sisters, don't let the media destroy a wonderful potential
for us. I am your brother, and I am your servant. I did the best I could
to represent you and to be just and fair in my remarks. I did the best I
could to speak for the good of America, but also to condemn those policies
in America with which I disagree, and to give those who are oppressed hope
that change can come inside America. *You* are the catalyst for change.
You are in the most strategic position of any people on earth because you
are inside America. And now, you must rise, inside America. 

Politically, we *must* get every one who is unregistered to register. We
*must* become a political force inside America to affect America's foreign
policy. In this regard, we take our hats off to the Jewish community.
Because we can learn from them (and we already have). The Jewish
community, though small in number... America, every year, gives *billions*
to Israel. No questions asked. No questions asked.

America is the only super-power left, and she's drunk with her own
arrogance. She's drunk with her own power. And the only thing that can
sober her up is an *awakened* and *enlightened* American electorate.

So I leave you with this thought: America is pushing "democracy" all over
the world. Is America truly a democracy? Democracy presupposes an
enlightened electorate, that has the ability to choose what is in their
best interest. When you go to the American people, ask them, "Who is
Senator Dole?" According to what I read recently, over 50 percent of the
American people don't even know that Dole is the majority leader in the
Senate. If you go to the American people and ask them, "Where's Estonia?
Where's Latvia? Where's Lithuania? Where's Chechnya?" ---- "Huh? What??"
The American education system is being dismantled, right in front of your
eyes. And the American people are more and more being manipulated by the
television. By the radio. So you don't have *enlightened* decision making.
You are herded like sheep by slick advertising on television. If you
really want to make America a democracy, you have to make the American
people the most aware and enlightened people on earth. Then nobody can
manipulate their vote and take it like you take candy from a baby.

Let's get busy. Let's stop fighting each other. 

And if they say things about me, don't believe it. Question it. Question
me! And then if I'm wrong *you* correct me! But don't go along with the
enemy, whom you *know* wants to separate me from you so that they can
destroy me. (And then, 30 years from now, they'll say, "You know, that guy
Farrakhan, he was an all right guy. Let's name an alley after him."
[laughter]) 

Thank you for listening, and may God bless you. 

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In article <4old4p$jdk@mda023.cc.monash.edu.au>,
ydneu1@mda023.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Yair Neumann) wrote:

> Ygal Amir must be laughing

_________________________

Since prisoners in Israel are allowed to vote, it's even very possible
that Yigal Amir may cast his vote for Bibi Netanyahu.

What goes around comes around...

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Openliners' lawyers do the talking

A Vancouver radio station sues an anti-racism lobby group

by Jerry Collins

Alberta  Report / June 3, 1996

When castigating conservatives for opposing things like the dissemination
of explicit homosexual information in schools, liberals often cite the
importance of the untrammelled right of free speech. They tend to be less
ethusiastic when politically incorrect opinions are expressed, however. A
recently filed Vancouver lawsuit claims that the desire to suppress
unfashionable commentary recently induced one prominent "anti-racism"
lobbyist to stumble into the realm of civil defamation.  Allan Dutton, the
head of the B.C.-based Canadian Anti-racism Education and Research
Society, is being sued for libel by Vancouver radio station AM-1040 for
alleging the station airs racist views.

According to Mr. Dutton, AM-1040 provides "a forum for racists and
anti-Semites." Mr. Dutton told the Jewish Western Bulletin that a March 22
broadcast, featuring talkshow host Charles Maclean with Toronto's Paul
Fromm, contained "horrifying" anti-Semitic and racist remarks. Mr. Fromm
campaigns against Canada's policies on multiculturalism, immigration and
foreign aid . The Bulletin, which wrote an editorial on the matter, and
reporter Roberta Staley also are named in AM-1040's libel suit.

Mr. Maclean denies racist remarks have ever been made on his program. He
says Mr. Fromm was invited on Am-1040's Nightline show shortly after his
organization, the Canadian Association for Freedom of Expression, had its
meeting cancelled by a Vancouver-area hotel after opponents protested.

"What I said to him was, 'Here are all the things the Vancouver Sun and
the CBC are saying'," Mr. Maclean recalls.  Mr. Fromm then received an
opportunity to rebut charges that he is a fascist and a racist. At no
time, adds Mr. Maclean, were any anti-Semitic remarks expressed.

Dave Abbott's morning talk show on Am-1040 also was cited by Mr. Dutton,
who singled out an interview with American white-supremacist pastor
Charles Scott. Mr. Dutton's third grievance is Mr. Maclean's March 18
interview with revisionist historian David irving. Mr. Irving has written
about 30 books, including the 1963 bestseller The Destruction of Dresden,
and biographies of Hitler, Erwin Rommel and a highly unflattering account
of Winston Churchill's wartime leadership.

His most recent effort is a biography of Josef Goebbels, which last month
was favourably reviewed in both the London Sunday Times and London Sunday
Telegraph. In the past, eminent historian A.J.P. Taylor and The Spectator
and The Economist have also praised Mr. Irving. 

But he has also earned the enmity of international Jewish groups, which
regard him as the world's leading Holocaust denier.  Largely as a result
of their antipathy, Mr. Irving has been barred from many Western
countries, including Canada, which deported him on an immigration
technicality in 1992.

Mr. Dutton, who claims AM-1040 improperly circumvented Canada's
immigration laws by interviewing Mr. Irving from his London home, lodged a
complaint with the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications
Commission. The station has responded to the CRTC's request for an answer
to the charge.

Mr. Maclean stresses that he interviews people from across the political
and social spectrum. For example, when Mr. Dutton declined to appear on
the same program as Mr. Irving, producer Liz Parker secured the
participation of Bernie Farber of the Canadian Jewish Congress.

Mr. Dutton nonetheless sees hypocrisy at work.  "Charles has said on
numerous occasions that he supports freedom of expression," he says.
"What's happening here is [AM-1040] is attempting to suppress commentary
on their shows."

Responds Mr. Maclean: "How can Dutton say we were suppressing him? He was
invited on the [Irving] program and refused, and subsequently was offered
30 minutes of uninterrupted airtime on my show to say what he wanted."

[End]

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A form of collective insanity is now sweeping Germany 

By Germar Rudolf
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[Image]Germar Rudolf, the "mystery speaker" who was scheduled to address
the Twelfth annual Institute for Historical Review Revisionist Conference,
(Sept. 3-5, 1994), explained why he was regrettably not able to attend in
the following statement, which was read to the Conference by Master of
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[Image]Usually the whole audience is eager to learn who the mystery
speaker will be. This time, unfortunately, the IHR must deny you the
satisfaction of seeing this mystery solved in person. For reasons that
are, regrettably, not very mysterious, I am not able to appear for this
Conference. I want to tell you the reasons for this, but to maintain some
air of mystery, I will withhold my name for the time being. As I tell the
story, perhaps one or more of you will sooner or later guess my identity. 

[Image]I don't need to explain to you that Holocaust revisionists are
subject to social ostracism, and in some countries even to criminal
prosecution. Therefore, I do not need to go into the details of my own
story, which is not so very different from that of others. 

[Image]It began with my dismissal, without notice, from my position at the
Max Planck Institute. Then came the refusal by the University of Stuttgart
to allow me, at the completion of my studies, to stand for my doctoral
examinations. After this came the first police search of my home, which
involved seizing my computer, all my papers, my correspondence, and so
forth, leading to my criminal indictment on a charge of "incitement of
race hatred." Just two weeks ago police from the prosecution attorney's
office again showed up at my door, confiscating my new computer, the
printer, my address file, my calendar and planner, and much more. 

[Image]The town I live in, not to be outdone, sent an official
representative to my landlord to open his eyes to what an "evil" person he
had been renting an apartment to. He was so intimidated that just
recently, with all sorts of great regrets and numerous excuses, he threw
us out - a happy event for both me and my wife in her ninth month of
pregnancy. And all this happening under the cloud of a press campaign of
lies against me that has gone on since this spring.

[Image]But I am not one to complain, because I knew in advance what would
await me - and I would do it all over again. After all, a German
revisionist is not considered reliable and trustworthy unless he has
undergone at least one house search! And whoever has not come before a
German court at least once must be suspected of being an agent of the
German "state security" counterpart of the old East Berlin Stasi. 

[Image]Such blows of fate are worn like medals on the chest by German
revisionists. Nevertheless, the most recent blows against me by our
self-styled "government of justice" prevent me, for numerous reasons, from
joing you as I had wished - to report to you on the work goin on in Europe
in recent years. The publication of a written account of all our battles
has also been greatly delaed by the same interference. I am certain,
though, that Messrs. Graf, Mattogno and Faurisson will be able to give a
sense of our activities, which I would like to merely sketch out for you
now. 

[Image]If the district prosecuting attorney does not foul our plans again,
an anthology will appear this year in Germany, a detailed study by a team
of 13 authors of the most important aspects of the Holocaust story. In
addition to an investigation of the purported gas chamber witnesses of
Auschwitz, it will contain several legal studies, including critical
examinations of Holocaust trials, among them one against an alleged
perpetrator (Weise) and a "denier" (Lueftl). This anthology will also deal
with the problem of statistics, through a comparison of two
already-existing works (by Benz and Sanning). Also in this work will be
critical treatments of documents, including the Wannsee Protocol,
documents on "diesel gas wagons" and purported photo documentation. The
technical portion of this anthology will include an analysis of aerial
reconnaissance photos, the chemistry and architecture of a working gas
chamber, a thermo-technical study of the claims of mass cremation, and
analyses of the alleged diesel gassings and the purported mass burnings in
the Treblinka camp. This detailed collective work will conclude with a
look at the Babi Yar case, which involves many aspects of the work cited
above.

[Image]But something is missing in this study. All our work up until now
has aimed to show that things were not as portrayed. It was, in effect,
"destructive" research. What we will need in the future is less carping
about traditionalist portrayls of history, and much more work toward a
holistic alternative. Our challenge must be to write a comprehensive
history of the persecution of the Jews in the area ruled by the Third
Reich: one that says not merely what did not happen, but above all tells
what really did happen.

[Image]I do not know whether I will be able to tackle this very ambitious
task in the near future, or even to coordinate it. Since the recent
ominous conviction of Guenter Deckert, chairman of the right-wing NPD
party in Germany, it has become obvious to everyone that the German
justice system is no longer truly independent [of political pressure]. A
judge now knows that handing down a mild sentence against a revisionist
means that he may be removed from the bench and socially ostracized.
Germany's most respected daily newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine,
regards "incitement to ethnic hatred" as a much worse transgression when
it occurs in an academic, scholarly guise. Our entire media and all our
politicians sing a rare choral song of agreement that the Holocaust is in
effect the foundation stone of the Federal Republic of Germany.

[Image]A form of collective insanity is now sweeping the country. It seems
as if pyres and stakes are being set to fire, this time to burn Holocaust
revisionists. I don't know where all this will end, but I do know this:
the truth may go under, but it cannot drown. In this spirit, I wish you
all a pleasant and instructive time at this conference. 

[Image]Germar Rudolf's problems began in 1993 following the publication of
this chemical-technical report about the supposed mass killing "gas
chambers" at Auschwitz, and especially Auschwitz-Birkenau. He wrote this
detailed report on the basis of an on-site investigation, chemical
analyses of samples, and meticulous research.

[Image]"For chemical-physical reasons, the claimed mass gassings with
hydrocyanic acid in the alleged "gas chambers" in Auschwitz did not take
place" he concluded. "The supposed facilities for mass killing in
Auschwitz and Birkenau were not suitable for this purpose." The "Rudolf
Report" corroborates and strengthens the findings of earlier forensic
investigations of purported Auschwitz "gas chambers," including the one by
American gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter.

[Image]At the time he wrote this report, Rudolf- a certified chemist- was
working at the renowned Max Planck research center in Stuttgart, and was a
doctoral candidate at the University of Stuttgart. The "Rudolf Report" was
published in 1993 in a handsome, 110-page, magazine-size glossy paper
edition, with numerous photographs, charts, diagrams, and more than 200
reference notes. The Rudolf Report is available from: Focal Point
Publications, Duke Street, London W1M 5DJ England. 

Source: The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. XIV, No. 6 Nov/Dec 1994.
Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659,
USA. Subscriptions $40 per year (domestic). 

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A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel

By Robert Faurisson

ELIE WIESEL won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. He is generally accepted as
a witness to the Jewish "Holocaust," and, more specifically, as a witness
to the legendary Nazi extermination gas chambers. The Paris daily Le Monde
emphasized at the time that Wiesel was awarded the Nobel Prize because:
(note 1)

These last years have seen, in the name of so-called "historical
revisionism," the elaboration of theses, especially in France, questioning
the existence of the Nazi gas chambers and, perhaps beyond that, of the
genocide of the Jews itself. 

But in what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas chambers?
By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of extermination? In
an autobiographical book that supposedly describes his experiences at
Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the gas chambers. (note 2)
He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews, but ... by fire; by
throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of the
deportees! No less than that!

Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from
among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire lie
instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956,
when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive
in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term Holocaust. Today
there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews were burned
alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also
disappeared. Only the gas remains.

The gassing lie was spread by the Americans. (note 3) The lie that Jews
were killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was
spread by the Poles. (note 4) The electrocution lie was spread by the
Soviets.n (note 5)

The fire lie is of undetermined origin. It is in a sense as old as war
propaganda or hate propaganda. In his memoir, Night, which is a version of
his earlier Yiddish testimony, Wiesel reports that at Auschwitz there was
one flaming ditch for the adults and another one for babies. He writes:
(note 6)

Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames. They
were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered its load
-- little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it -- saw it with my own eyes ...
Those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I could not sleep
after that? Sleep has fled from my eyes.)

A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames where the
victims suffered "slow agony in the flames." Wiesel's column was led by
the Germans to within "three steps" of the ditch, then to "two steps."
"Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left and made to go
into a barracks."

An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met other
exceptional witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine where the
Germans executed Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel wrote: (note 7) 

Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground
never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood
spurted from it.

These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy: first,
he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at least once)
he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words were translated
into various languages, as is everything this author writes. 

That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a miracle.
He says that: (note 8)

In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was
always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why? 

In 1954 French scholar Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie" with
regard to the German concentration camps. She wrote: (note 9) 

Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth, much more
numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the
concentration camp world -- well designed, alas, to stimulate
sado-masochistic imaginings -- offered them an exceptional field of
action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half swindlers
and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation; we have known
others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to go
even beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said had
happened to them. There have been publishers to print some of their
imaginings, and more or less official compilations to use them, but
publishers and compilers are absolutely inexcusable, since the most
elementary inquiry would have been enough to reveal the imposture.

Tillion lacked the courage to give examples and names. But that is usually
the case. People agree that there are false gas chambers that tourists and
pilgrims are encouraged to visit, but they do not tell us where. They
agree that there are false "eyewitnesses," but in general they name only
Martin Gray, the well-known swindler, at whose request Max Gallo, with
full knowledge of what he was doing, fabricated the bestseller For Those I
Loved. 

Jean-Franois Steiner is sometimes named as well. His bestselling novel
Treblinka (1966) was presented as a work of which the accuracy of every
detail was guaranteed by oral or written testimony. In reality it was a
fabrication attributable, at least in part, to the novelist Gilles
Perrault. (note 10) Marek Halter, for his part, published his La MŽmoire
d'Abraham in 1983; as he often does on radio, he talked there about his
experiences in the Warsaw ghetto. However, if we are to believe an article
by Nicolas Beau that is quite favorable to Halter, (note 11) little Marek,
about three years old, and his mother left Warsaw not in 1941 but in
October of 1939, before the establishment of the ghetto there by the
Germans. Halter's book is supposed to have been actually written by a
ghost writer, Jean-No‘l Gurgan. 

Filip MŸller is the author of Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas
Chambers, (note 12) which won the 1980 prize of the International League
against Racism and Anti-Semitism (LICRA). This nauseous best-seller is
actually the work of a German ghost writer, Helmut Freitag, who did not
hesitate to engage in plagiarism. (note 13) The source of the plagiarism
is Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, another best-seller made up
out of whole cloth and attributed to Miklos Nyiszli. (note 14) 

Thus a whole series of works presented as authentic documents turns out to
be merely compilations attributable to various ghost writers: Max Gallo,
Gilles Perrault, Jean-No‘l Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag, among others. 

We would like to know what Germaine Tillion thinks about Elie Wiesel
today. With him the lie is certainly not gratuitous. Wiesel claims to be
full of love for humanity. However, he does not refrain from an appeal to
hatred. In his opinion: (note 15)

Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate --
healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what
persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead.

At the beginning of 1986, 83 deputies of the German Bundestag took the
initiative of proposing Wiesel for the Nobel Peace Prize. This would be,
they said, "a great encouragement to all who are active in the process of
reconciliation." (note 16) That is what might be called "going from
National Socialism to national masochism."

Jimmy Carter needed a historian to preside over the President's Commission
on the Holocaust. As Dr. Arthur Butz said so well, he chose not a
historian but a "histrion": Elie Wiesel. Even the newspaper Le Monde, in
the article mentioned above, was obliged to refer to the histrionic trait
that certain persons deplore in Wiesel:

Naturally, even among those who approve of the struggle of this American
Jewish writer, who was discovered by the Catholic Fran ois Mauriac, some
reproach him for having too much of a tendency to change the Jewish
sadness into "morbidity" or to become the high priest of a "planned
management of the Holocaust." 

As Jewish writer Leon A. Jick has written: "The devastating barb, 'There
is no business like SHOAH-business' is, sad to say, a recognizable truth."
(note 17)

Elie Wiesel issues alarmed and inflammatory appeals against Revisionist
authors. He senses that things are getting out of hand. It is going to
become more and more difficult for him to maintain the mad belief that the
Jews were exterminated or were subjected to a policy of extermination,
especially in so-called gas chambers. Serge Klarsfeld has admitted that
real proofs of the existence of the gas chambers have still not yet been
published. He promises proofs. (note 18) 

On the scholarly plane, the gas chamber myth is finished. To tell the
truth, that myth breathed its last breath several years ago at the
Sorbonne colloquium in Paris (June 29-July 2, 1982), at which Raymond Aron
and Fran ois Furet presided. What remains is to make this news known to
the general public. However, for Elie Wiesel it is of the highest
importance to conceal that news. Thus all the fuss in the media, which is
going to increase: the more the journalists talk, the more the historians
keep quiet. 

But there are historians who dare to raise their voices against the lies
and the hatred. That is the case with Michel de BoŸard, wartime member of
the Resistance, deportee to Mauthausen, member of the Committee for the
History of the Second World War from 1945 to 1981, and a member of the
Institut de France. In a poignant interview in 1986, he courageously
acknowledged that in 1954 he had vouched for the existence of a gas
chamber at Mauthausen where, it finally turns out, there never was one.
(note 19) 

The respect owed to the sufferings of all the victims of the Second World
War, and, in particular, to the sufferings of the deportees, demands on
the part of historians a return to the proven and time-honored methods of
historical criticism.

Notes

1. October 17, 1986. Front page.
2. There is one single allusion, extremely vague and fleeting, on pages 
78-79: Wiesel, who very much likes to have conversations with God, says to
Him: "But these men here, whom You have betrayed, whom You have allowed to
be tortured, butchered, gassed, burned, what do they do? They pray before
you!" (Night, New York, Discus/Avon Books, 1969, p. 79). In his preface to
that same book, Franois Mauriac mentioned "the gas chamber and the
crematory" (p. 8). The four crucial pages of "testimony" by Elie Wiesel
are reproduced in facsimile in: Pierre Guillaume, Droit et Histoire (La
Vieille Taupe, 1986), pp. 147-150. In the German-language edition of Night
(Die Nacht zu begraben, Elischa [Ullstein, 1962]), on 14 occasions the
word "crematory" or "crematories" has been falsely given as "Gaskammer"
("gas chamber[s]"). In January of 1945, in anticipation of a Russian
takeover, the Germans were evacuating Auschwitz. Elie Wiesel, a young
teenager at the time, was hospitalized in Birkenau (the "extermination
camp") after surgery on an infected foot. His doctor had recommended two
weeks of rest and good food but, before his foot healed, the Russian
takeover became imminent. Hospital patients were considered unfit for the
long trip to the camps in Germany and Elie thus could have remained at
Birkenau to await the Russians. Although his father had permission to stay
with him as a hospital patient or orderly, father and son talked it over
and decided to move out with the Germans. (See Night, p. 93. See also D.
Calder, The Sunday Sun [Toronto, Canada], May 31, 1987, p. C4.) 3. See the
US War Refugee Board Report, German Extermination Camps: 
Auschwitz and Birkenau (Washington, DC), November 1944. 4. See Nuremberg
document PS-3311 (USA-293). Published in the IMT "blue 
series," Vol. 32, pp. 153-158.
5. See the report in Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945, p. 4, and the UP report in the 
Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, p. 2. 6. Night (Avon/Discus).
See esp. pp. 41, 42, 43, 44, 79, 93. 7. Paroles d'Žtranger (Editions du
Seuil, 1982), p. 86. 8. "Author, Teacher, Witness," Time magazine, March
18, 1985, p. 79. 9. "Le Systme concentrationnaire allemand [1940-1944],"
Revue d'histoire 
de la Deuxime Guerre mondiale, July 1954, p. 18, n. 2. 10. Le Journal du
Dimanche, March 30, 1985, p. 5. 11. LibŽration, Jan. 24, 1986, p. 19.
12. Published by Stein and Day (New York). Paperback edition of 1984. (xii 
+ 180 pages.) With a foreword by Yehuda Bauer of the Institute of
Contemporary Jewry, Hebrew University, Jerusalem. 13. Carlo Mattogno,
Auschwitz: un caso di plagio, Parma (Italy): 1986. See 
also: C. Mattogno, "Auschwitz: A Case of Plagiarism," The Journal of
Historical Review, Spring 1990, pp. 5-24. 14. Paperback edition, 1961, and
later, published by Fawcett Crest (New 
York).
15. Legends of Our Time (chapter 12: "Appointment with Hate"), New York: 
Schocken Books, 1982, p. 142, or, New York: Avon, 1968, pp. 177-178. 16.
The Week in Germany (published in New York by the German government in 
Bonn), Jan. 31, 1986, p. 2.
17. "The Holocaust: Its Use and Abuse Within the American Public," Yad 
Vashem Studies (Jerusalem), 1981, p. 316. 18. VSD, May 29, 1986, p. 37.
19. Ouest-France, August 2-3, 1986, p. 6. 

Summary

Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the
alleged Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night, he
makes no mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have witnessed Jews
being burned alive, a story now dismissed by all historians. Wiesel gives
credence to the most absurd stories of other "eyewitnesses." He spreads
fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to their deaths each day in
Buchenwald.

When Elie Wiesel and his father, as Auschwitz prisoners, had the choice of
either leaving with their retreating German "executioners," or remaining
behind in the camp to await the Soviet "liberators," the two decided to
leave with their German captors.

It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the genuine
sufferings of the victims of the Second World War, that historians return
to the proven methods of historical criticism, and that the testimony of
the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be subjected to rigorous scrutiny rather than
unquestioning acceptance.

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From slepokuo@cadvision.com Mon Jun 10 06:28:29 PDT 1996
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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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Subject: Re: Elie Wiesel: A Prominent False Witness
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In article <4pd7b1$ccu@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
(Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

> In article , 
> Orest Slepokura  regurgitated Nazi propaganda from the
> "Institute of Historical Review," http://www.almanac.bc.ca/faqs/ihr/:
> 
> >These last years have seen, in the name of so-called "historical
> >revisionism," the elaboration of theses, especially in France, questioning
> >the existence of the Nazi gas chambers and, perhaps beyond that, of the
> >genocide of the Jews itself. 
> 
> It is true - Hitler-cleansing operations are working hard to
> convince everyone that none of this happened. 
> 
> >But in what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas chambers?
> 
> Perhaps because he was there? (Was Mr. Faurisson there? No. Is
> Mr. Faurisson a historian? No?)
> 
> >By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of extermination? In
> >an autobiographical book that supposedly describes his experiences at
> >Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the gas chambers. (note 2)
> >He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews, but ... by fire; by
> >throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of the
> >deportees! No less than that!
> 
> No less than that.
> 
> >Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from
> >among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire lie
> >instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956,
> >when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive
> >in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term Holocaust. Today
> >there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews were burned
> >alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also
> >disappeared. Only the gas remains.
> 
> Mr. Faurisson, I note, has not listed the historians who have
> written that no Jews were burned alive. I, however, know of a
> good many who, writing long after 1956, said precisely what
> Mr. Wiesel said: That Jews were indeed burned alive. Mr.
> Faurisson is, therefore, lying.
> 
> He does that a lot.

___________________

Some observations:

Being a prolific liar is precisely what the French Holocaust historian
Pierre Vidal-Naquet accused Elie Wiesel of being. 

Vidal-Naquet is a co-religionist of Wiesel's and definitely no friend of
Robert Faurisson. He's the author of the anti-revisionist book Les
Assassins de la mémoire [Paris: Editions de la Découverte, 1987, 233
pages]. In an interview with the journalist Michel Folco, published in the
French journal Zéro [April, 1987, p. 57], this is what Pierre Vidal-Naquet
said of Elie Wiesel:

"Par exemple, vous avez le rabbin Kahane, cet extrémiste juif, qui est
moins dangereux qu'un homme comme Elie Wiesel qui raconte N'IMPORTE QUOI
[emphasis in the original]...Il suffit de lire certaine description de "La
Nuit" pour savoir que certaines de ses descriptions ne sont pas exactes et
qu'il finit par se transformer en marchand de Shoah...Eh bien lui aussi
porte un tort, et un tort immense, à la vérité historique."

Translated into English, what Vidal-Naquet said of Elie Wiesel was this:

"For example, you have Rabbi Kahane, that extremist Jew, who is less
dangerous than a man like Elie Wiesel, who will say JUST ABOUT
ANYTHING...One need only read some of the descriptions in Night to realize
that some of his descriptions are not accurate and that he ends up
transforming himself into a Shoah merchant...And in fact he also harms,
does enormous harm, to historical truth."

Writing about the world's most famous "gas chamber" at Auschwitz I,
another French journalist, Eric Conan for L'Express, acknowledged that
Robert Faurisson
had years earlier pointed out the falsifications built into Crematory I.
Like Vidal-Naquet, Eric Conan is no friend of Robert Faurisson.
Nevertheless, he wrote [Jan. 19-25, 1995, pp. 54-73]:

"In 1948, when the [Auschwitz] Museum was created, Crematory I was
reconstructed in a supposed orginal state. Everything in it is false [Tout
y est faux]: the dimensions of the gas chamber, the locations of the
doors, the openings for pouring in Zyklon B, the ovens (rebuilt according
to the recollections of some survivors), the height of the chimney. At the
end of the 70s, Robert Faurisson exploited those falsifications all the
better because at that time the Museum officials balked at admitting
them."

When asked if there would be a corrective for the many "falsifications"
that a foxy Faurisson had "exploited," Krystyna Oleksy, a staff member of
the Museum director's office, is quoted in the Conan article as saying: 

"For the time being we are going to leave it [Crematory I] in the present
state, and not give any specifics to the visitors. It is too complicated.
We'll see later on."

To recap:

Robert Faurrison dismisses Elie Wiesel as a prolific liar.
Ken McVay dismisses Robert Faurisson as a prolific liar.
Pierre Vidal-Naquet dismisses Elie Wiesel as a prolific liar.

Meanwhile, Auschwitz Museum officials last year admitted that they had
been peddling lies for years and would be constrained to continue peddling
lies a while longer. 

Interesting.
_____________________________________

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In article <4pqofl$3gae@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net wrote:

> In article ,
> slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) said:
> 
> >To recap:
> 
> >Robert Faurrison dismisses Elie Wiesel as a prolific liar.
> 
> Robert Faurisson is a fraud, a defrocked professor and a proven liar.
> 
> >Ken McVay dismisses Robert Faurisson as a prolific liar.
> 
> Ken McVay is right.
> 
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> 

___________________________

But Orest Slepokura also said:

Pierre Vidal-Naquet dismisses Elie Wiesel as a prolific liar.

Pierre Vidal-Naquet is a Holocaust historian.

Like Elie Wiesel, Pierre Vidal-Naquet is also Jewish.

Pierre Vidal-Naquet has been Robert Faurisson's intellectual nemesis since
at least 1981.

In an interview with the French journalist, Michel Folco [Zéro, April,
1987, p. 57], Pierre Vidal-Naquet characterized Elie Wiesel as "a Shoah
merchant" and as a man who was more dangerous than even the late Rabbi
Meyer Kahane. 

Here's what Pierre Vidal-Naquet told Michel Folco concerning Elie Wiesel:

"For example, you have Rabbi Kahane, that extremist Jew, who is less
dangerous than a man like Elie Wiesel, who will say JUST ABOUT ANYTHING
[in the French text, the expression "N'IMPORTE QUOI" is printed in block
letters]...Reading some of the descriptions in _Night_ is enough to make
you realize that some of the descriptions are not accurate and that he
ends up transforming himself into a Shoah merchant...And in fact he also
harms, does enormous harm, to historical truth."

Here Pierre Vidal-Naquet has described Elie Wiesel as a prolific liar and
a Shoah merchant. 

Respected, mainstream Jewish scholars such as Marc Ellis and Avishai
Margarlit and Philip Lopate have said similar things about Elie Wiesel.

Prominent, dissident Jewish scholars such as Noam Chomsky and Alfred
Lilienthal and Israel Shahak have also said similar things about Elie
Wiesel. 

Are they wrong?

Are they right?

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In article , 
Orest Slepokura  regurgitated Nazi propaganda from the
"Institute of Historical Review," http://www.almanac.bc.ca/faqs/ihr/:

[snip]

>An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met other
>exceptional witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine where the
>Germans executed Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel wrote: (note 7) 

30,000 Jews, to be precise.
In the space of a day or two.
30,000 _Jews_, Mr. Faurisson.

>Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground
>never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood
>spurted from it.

>These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy: first,
>he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at least once)
>he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words were translated
>into various languages, as is everything this author writes. 

Why does Mr. Faurisson find this description so surprising?
Has Mr. Faurisson ever killed 30,000 Jews, and covered 30,000
bodies with earth, and then sat around and observed the result
as they began to decompose?

No, he has not.

Mr. Faurisson should be ashamed of himself, and Mr. Slepokura
as well, for this weak attempt at defaming someone fortunate
enough to survive Auschwitz. Over a million did not. Mr.
Slepokura should return to Jew-baiting, which is his usual
practice here on the net, and leave the Holocaust to those who
wish to learn about it, rather than mock its victims.

_____________________________________
       
Observations and some questions:

Elie Wiesel was not only "fortunate enough to survive Auschwitz," but has
also been reported as having survived and been liberated from Buchenwald
and Dachau, too.

The October 27, 1987, U.S. News and World Report carried a photo of Elie
Wiesel with a caption, stating: "Wiesel, arrow, was 16 when liberated from
Buchenwald."

In an April, 1983 speech to the National Press Club in Washington D.C.,
Wiesel "noted that on April 11, 1945, he was one of the survivors
liberated at Dachau by the U.S. Army," according to a Jewish Telegraphic
Agency report dated April 11, 1983. 

But a January 4, 1987, story in The New York Times reports that Elie
Wiesel was "freed from Auschwitz" by Soviet forces.

How likely is it that Wiesel could have been liberated on three separate
occasions from three different Nazi concentration camps in the waning
months of World War II? 

Ken McVay insists he is being "precise" when he says that "30,000 Jews"
were massacred at Babi Yar. 

One source calculates the number of victims at Babi Yar as being precisely
33,771 ["Operational Situation Report No. 101, October 2, 1941," The
Einsatzgruppen Reports (Editor, Yitzhak Arad), Holocaust Library: New
York, 1989, p. 168]. But that's just one source and one estimate.

Estimates of the number of victims at Babi Yar have ranged from 3,000 to
200,000. The Encyclopedia of Ukraine [The University of Toronto Press:
Vol.1, 1988, p.154] lists the number of Babi Yar victims as 3,000. The
Grand Dictionnaire Encyclopédique Larousse [Paris: Vol 1, 1982, p. 953]
lists the number of Babi Yar victims as 10,000.

But Soviet-era talking-head Vladimir Posner gives 200,000 as the number
killed at Babi Yar [Remembering War: a US-Soviet Dialogue, Oxford
University Press: New York, 1990, p. 206].

Other estimates have suggested 38,000 victims [according to a secret radio
communiqué sent from Lvov to London: No. 346/KK November 13, 1941]; 50,000
victims [according to the Ukrainian UN ambassador, Gennady Udovenko, the
majority of these being Jewish children, as reported by The Washington
Times ("Infectious Nationalism"), on September 5, 1991, p. G4]; 50,000 was
also the number given in a New York Times headline on November 29, 1943. 

Yet other documented reports have suggested 52,000 victims, 70,000
victims, 80,000 victims, 100,000 victims and 150,000 victims. Opinions
differ, obviously, as to the numbers of Babi Yar victims, as well as their
ages and their nationalities. Apart from Jews, victims at Babi Yar are
also said to have included many Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, and Gypsies. 

Still, Ken McVay is adamant that he is being "precise" when he says the
number of people killed at Babi Yar consisted of "30,000 Jews." No more,
no less. 

Ken McVay is miffed that Robert Faurisson doesn't buy the story about the
earth tremors at Babi Yar and geysers of victims' blood shooting into the
air at intervals at the Babi Yar site for "month after month" after the
great slaughter. Elie Wiesel describes hearing this story from "a
witness." Nothing more. Like Faurisson, Elie Wiesel was never present at
Babi Yar. But McVay finds it "suprising" that anybody should not accept
this tale, and refers to "30,000 bodies" that were "covered with earth"
and "the result as they began to decompose." 

However, in some versions of the Babi Yar story, it was heavy slabs of
rock, not "earth," that the Germans were said to have used to cover up
their deadly deed at Babi Yar. Babi Yar was a ravine on the outskirts of
Kiev, and the Germans were said to have dynamited the granite sides of the
ravine and thereby caused tons on rock to fall in on the killing site to
bury the remains of the dead. It may be that the massive slabs of granite
proved to be a far more immoveable obstacle than mere "earth."

As for "defaming" Elie Wiesel, is there anything Robert Faurisson has said
or written concerning Wiesel that can match the sting in comments made by
the French Holocaust historian, Pierre Vidal-Naquet? In a 1987 interview
reported in the French journal Zéro [April, p. 57] Pierre Vidal-Naquet
characterized Elie Wiesel as "a Shoah merchant."

A sentiment that was echoed a couple years later in an essay in the
journal Tikkun ["Resistance to the Holocaust," May/June 1989] by the
Jewish social critic and novelist, Phillip Lopate: "Sometimes it almost
seems that 'the Holocaust' is a corporation headed by Elie Wiesel, who
defends his patents with articles in the Arts and Leisure section of the
Sunday [New York] Times."


Orest Slepokura
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Relevant material for those interested:

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/faqs/reinhard/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/faqs/leuchter/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/auschwitz
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?camps/aktion.reinhard
http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?orgs/israeli/yad-vashem

Followups directed to alt.revisionism, where, as Mr. Slepokura
knows full well, this discussion belongs.

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From slepokuo@cadvision.com Wed Jun 19 12:21:46 PDT 1996
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"In Our Hands"
by Joseph Sobran

One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel now
holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in its
hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis. In an essay reprinted
in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit, an Israeli
columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more
than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them out of a certain
naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White
House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives
of others do not count as much as our own..."

In a single phrase -- "in our hands" -- Shavit has lighted up the American
political landscape like a flash of lightning. 

Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can say
publicly only at our own risk. It's surprising, and refreshing, to find
such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was reprinted from
the Israeli paper Haaretz). 

The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable ally"
of the United States, despite Israel's long record of double-dealing
against this country, ranging from the killing of American sailors to
constant espionage and technology theft. The word "ally" implies that the
relationship exists because it's in the interests of this country, though
Israel's lobby is clearly devoted to the interests of Israel itself, and
it's childish to suggest otherwise.

You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after all.
But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much of the
American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. Bill Clinton,
a lover of peace since his college days, raised no protest when the
Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of their homes in
"retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel (wounding one Israeli) by a
faction over whom those 400,000 had no control.

Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance of
Israeli "defense." Congress too is "in our hands." 

A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's power
to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies. But there is one enormous
difference. Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to criticize the gun
and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly that those lobbies seek
goals that are dangerous for this country. They don't dare say as much of
the Israeli lobby. 

But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a more
active sense: They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in the guise of
news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli "democracy" and ignoring
Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish minorities -- mistreatment which,
if any government inflicted it on a Jewish minority, would earn it the
fierce opprobrium of our media. 

No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status of
Palestinians in Israel. The idea is almost absurd. Yet Americans are taxed
to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy pretext that
they are helping an "ally" in America's own self-interest to be hated and
despised by the whole Muslim world. 

All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than for
what it tells us about America. Frank discussion of Israel is permitted in
Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates. It's rarely permitted here.
Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very effective boycott will be
the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's
-- and his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests.

Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
affairs. Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning back
his countrymen and his government from a morally and politically perilous
course. At least he can hope. It's harder for us, when our own government
isn't in our hands. 

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From slepokuo@cadvision.com Wed Jun 19 17:25:28 PDT 1996
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In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
wrote:

> slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) writes:
> 
> # A form of collective insanity is now sweeping Germany
> #
> # By Germar Rudolf
> 
> # [Image]Germar Rudolf, the "mystery speaker" who was scheduled to
> # address the Twelfth annual Institute for Historical Review
> # Revisionist Conference, (Sept. 3-5, 1994), explained why he was
> # regrettably not able to attend in the following statement, which
> # was read to the Conference by Master of Ceremonies Greg Raven:
> 
> Wow, Greg Raven, no less. The same "leading revisionist" who wrote
> on Genie that Hitler was "a great man", and "the best thing that
> could have happened to Germany".
> 
> In short, another little nazi.
> 
> Slepokura, I know you're an intellectual zero, who can only obediently
> post material that your fuherers send you. So, I do not really expect
> you to enter a discussion about the "scientific work" of Nazis who deny
> the Holocaust. If you do, however, let me know.
> 
> 
> -Danny Keren.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear Danny,

It was good to hear from you after all this time. 

What was really nice was the fact that you seemed - on this occasion at
least - not to have felt obliged to be your customary irascible self. 

You were genuinely pleasant and even-tempered, I sensed. I highly commend
your restraint. Keep it up. Netiquette and all that, don't y'know? ...

Danny - you old rogue - here's your chance to really stick it to me. 

Quick! 

Cite me just one autopsy report - Raul Hilberg, oddly emough, said he knew
of none (Hilberg: "I'm at a loss" - testifying at the 1985 Zundel trial in
Toronto) - that was conducted after WW 2 proving Jews had actually been
killed by means of poison gas.

Let's start there, shall we?  

Enlighten me. 

Needless to say, any fresh leads you can provide me I will immediately
forward to our mutual friend, Prof. Hilberg.

BTW, even though you dismiss me as "an intellectual zero," [does Danny
*really* mean it, I wonder?] this of course does not in any way alter or
affect the feelings of enormous respect I have for you and your heroic
crusade to stem the turgid tide of Revisionism. 

In my books, Danny, you're an intellectual "10"!

There! 

Orest Slepokura 

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Death-camp routine gets [the] boot

The Associated Press
June 6/ 1996 / PARIS

France's Olympic synchronized swim team must drop references to the
Holocaust in its controversial routine.

Set to music from Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List, the routine
re-enacted the arrival of Jewish women in the death camps, selection by
Nazi doctors and their march to the gas chambers.

The team had planned to perform the four-minute program at the Summer
Games in Atlanta. But French Sports Minister Guy Drut said he has ordered
the team to remove any "allusions to the tragedy of the Shoah. There are
subjects where we cannot run the risk of communicating messages which
could be misinterpreted," Drut said.

Wearing black bathing suits, the swimmers weree to goose-step in German
military style to the side of the pool before plunging in. The music
included chants sung in Jewish ghettos during the war.

"The routine is ridiculous," said Henri Hajdenberg," head of the
Representative Council of French Jewish Organizations. "It's tactless and
in poor taste."

This week the French sports daily L'Equipe condemned the team for
confusing entertainment with what many say is history's darkest period.

"France, especially France, should not present a 'show' of this kind in
Atlanta," the paper said in an editorial.

[End]

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A form of collective insanity is now sweeping Germany 

By Germar Rudolf
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[Image]Germar Rudolf, the "mystery speaker" who was scheduled to address
the Twelfth annual Institute for Historical Review Revisionist Conference,
(Sept. 3-5, 1994), explained why he was regrettably not able to attend in
the following statement, which was read to the Conference by Master of
Ceremonies Greg Raven:
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[Image]
[Image]Usually the whole audience is eager to learn who the mystery
speaker will be. This time, unfortunately, the IHR must deny you the
satisfaction of seeing this mystery solved in person. For reasons that
are, regrettably, not very mysterious, I am not able to appear for this
Conference. I want to tell you the reasons for this, but to maintain some
air of mystery, I will withhold my name for the time being. As I tell the
story, perhaps one or more of you will sooner or later guess my identity. 

[Image]I don't need to explain to you that Holocaust revisionists are
subject to social ostracism, and in some countries even to criminal
prosecution. Therefore, I do not need to go into the details of my own
story, which is not so very different from that of others. 

[Image]It began with my dismissal, without notice, from my position at the
Max Planck Institute. Then came the refusal by the University of Stuttgart
to allow me, at the completion of my studies, to stand for my doctoral
examinations. After this came the first police search of my home, which
involved seizing my computer, all my papers, my correspondence, and so
forth, leading to my criminal indictment on a charge of "incitement of
race hatred." Just two weeks ago police from the prosecution attorney's
office again showed up at my door, confiscating my new computer, the
printer, my address file, my calendar and planner, and much more. 

[Image]The town I live in, not to be outdone, sent an official
representative to my landlord to open his eyes to what an "evil" person he
had been renting an apartment to. He was so intimidated that just
recently, with all sorts of great regrets and numerous excuses, he threw
us out - a happy event for both me and my wife in her ninth month of
pregnancy. And all this happening under the cloud of a press campaign of
lies against me that has gone on since this spring.

[Image]But I am not one to complain, because I knew in advance what would
await me - and I would do it all over again. After all, a German
revisionist is not considered reliable and trustworthy unless he has
undergone at least one house search! And whoever has not come before a
German court at least once must be suspected of being an agent of the
German "state security" counterpart of the old East Berlin Stasi. 

[Image]Such blows of fate are worn like medals on the chest by German
revisionists. Nevertheless, the most recent blows against me by our
self-styled "government of justice" prevent me, for numerous reasons, from
joing you as I had wished - to report to you on the work goin on in Europe
in recent years. The publication of a written account of all our battles
has also been greatly delaed by the same interference. I am certain,
though, that Messrs. Graf, Mattogno and Faurisson will be able to give a
sense of our activities, which I would like to merely sketch out for you
now. 

[Image]If the district prosecuting attorney does not foul our plans again,
an anthology will appear this year in Germany, a detailed study by a team
of 13 authors of the most important aspects of the Holocaust story. In
addition to an investigation of the purported gas chamber witnesses of
Auschwitz, it will contain several legal studies, including critical
examinations of Holocaust trials, among them one against an alleged
perpetrator (Weise) and a "denier" (Lueftl). This anthology will also deal
with the problem of statistics, through a comparison of two
already-existing works (by Benz and Sanning). Also in this work will be
critical treatments of documents, including the Wannsee Protocol,
documents on "diesel gas wagons" and purported photo documentation. The
technical portion of this anthology will include an analysis of aerial
reconnaissance photos, the chemistry and architecture of a working gas
chamber, a thermo-technical study of the claims of mass cremation, and
analyses of the alleged diesel gassings and the purported mass burnings in
the Treblinka camp. This detailed collective work will conclude with a
look at the Babi Yar case, which involves many aspects of the work cited
above.

[Image]But something is missing in this study. All our work up until now
has aimed to show that things were not as portrayed. It was, in effect,
"destructive" research. What we will need in the future is less carping
about traditionalist portrayls of history, and much more work toward a
holistic alternative. Our challenge must be to write a comprehensive
history of the persecution of the Jews in the area ruled by the Third
Reich: one that says not merely what did not happen, but above all tells
what really did happen.

[Image]I do not know whether I will be able to tackle this very ambitious
task in the near future, or even to coordinate it. Since the recent
ominous conviction of Guenter Deckert, chairman of the right-wing NPD
party in Germany, it has become obvious to everyone that the German
justice system is no longer truly independent [of political pressure]. A
judge now knows that handing down a mild sentence against a revisionist
means that he may be removed from the bench and socially ostracized.
Germany's most respected daily newspaper, the Frankfurter Allgemeine,
regards "incitement to ethnic hatred" as a much worse transgression when
it occurs in an academic, scholarly guise. Our entire media and all our
politicians sing a rare choral song of agreement that the Holocaust is in
effect the foundation stone of the Federal Republic of Germany.

[Image]A form of collective insanity is now sweeping the country. It seems
as if pyres and stakes are being set to fire, this time to burn Holocaust
revisionists. I don't know where all this will end, but I do know this:
the truth may go under, but it cannot drown. In this spirit, I wish you
all a pleasant and instructive time at this conference. 

[Image]Germar Rudolf's problems began in 1993 following the publication of
this chemical-technical report about the supposed mass killing "gas
chambers" at Auschwitz, and especially Auschwitz-Birkenau. He wrote this
detailed report on the basis of an on-site investigation, chemical
analyses of samples, and meticulous research.

[Image]"For chemical-physical reasons, the claimed mass gassings with
hydrocyanic acid in the alleged "gas chambers" in Auschwitz did not take
place" he concluded. "The supposed facilities for mass killing in
Auschwitz and Birkenau were not suitable for this purpose." The "Rudolf
Report" corroborates and strengthens the findings of earlier forensic
investigations of purported Auschwitz "gas chambers," including the one by
American gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter.

[Image]At the time he wrote this report, Rudolf- a certified chemist- was
working at the renowned Max Planck research center in Stuttgart, and was a
doctoral candidate at the University of Stuttgart. The "Rudolf Report" was
published in 1993 in a handsome, 110-page, magazine-size glossy paper
edition, with numerous photographs, charts, diagrams, and more than 200
reference notes. The Rudolf Report is available from: Focal Point
Publications, Duke Street, London W1M 5DJ England. 

Source: The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. XIV, No. 6 Nov/Dec 1994.
Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 2739, Newport Beach, CA 92659,
USA. Subscriptions $40 per year (domestic). 

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> PS - the word is spelled "speech." Do think about returning to
> school, won't you?

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In one of your posts, McVay, I recall you spelled champagne, "champaign." 

So. You made a spelling mistake. I don't think it reflects on your IQ.
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            Anti-racist group expels France's Abbe Pierre 

PARIS (Reuter) - An anti-racist group expelled Abbe Pierre, France' s
best-liked campaigner for the poor and homeless, Wednesday for supporting
an author who questions the Holocaust.

The International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism (LICRA) said the
83-year-old Roman Catholic priest had failed to distance himself from
philosopher Roger Garaudy for his work "The Founding Myths of Israeli
Politics."

"Abbe Pierre is no longer a member of LICRA," the group's president Pierre
Aidenbaum told Reuters after a meeting of the league Wednesday. 

The priest, who routinely tops opinion polls as France's most popular
person for his selfless struggle for the least privileged, had been a
member of LICRA's committee of honor for 20 years. 

Tuesday Abbe Pierre, under fire from his Catholic superiors, Jewish groups
and many friends, said he condemned any attempts to play down the
"atrocious reality" of Hitler's genocide of the Jews. 

But he said he would withdraw his confidence in Garaudy, long a friend,
only if the author failed to admit "any mistake proven against him." 

LICRA said Abbe Pierre's attitude was "totally contradictory. " Garaudy's
work doubts the validity of the Holocaust in which six million Jews were
systematically exterminated by the Nazis during the Second World War. 

It says the Jews suffered "massacres" that did not amount to genocide.
Anti-racist groups have started legal action against Garaudy, saying his
book violates French laws making it illegal to question what courts have
judged to be crimes against humanity.

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              Austria judge causes storm in neo-Nazi trial 

VIENNA (Reuter) - A senior Austrian judge faced disciplinary action Friday
amid allegations that his handling of a neo-Nazi trial was tainted by his
own right-wing views.

The state prosecutor asked for the removal of Hans-Peter Januschke as
judge in the trial of a Vienna teacher accused of reviving national
socialism after Austrian media alleged he harassed prosecution witnesses
and cast doubt on their evidence.

"I usually remain silent on current cases but in this instance I want to
make my position clear...I am shocked and outraged by the judge's
behavior," Austrian Justice Minster Nikolaus Michalek told state radio. 

Michalek confirmed that the state prosecutor had objected to Januschke for
being prejudiced and was attempting to restart the trial with a new judge.
The defendant, a 53-year-old teacher at a technical college, has been
charged with reviving national socialism by denying the Nazis were
responsible for the mass extermination of Jews during the World War II.
Michalek said case minutes would be passed to the president of the
provincial high court and judicial authorities who would decide how to
proceed.

"Judging by the information I have, I do not doubt that judicial
disciplinary authorities will become involved," Michalek said. "If public
faith in the objectivity of the judiciary is not to be damaged, then we
have to take meaningful and effective action. And that is what will
happen," he continued.
Austrian media have reported that the trial, which began Tuesday, has been
characterized by harassment of witnesses, most of them former pupils of
the accused.

They allege the judge, in his late 40s, tried to draw a distinction
between a denial of some atrocities and a denial of Nazi crimes in
general. Under Austrian law it is a crime to claim the Holocaust did not
happen. The Association of Austrian Judges has begun its own proceedings
to expel Januschke.

Austria has had an often uneasy relationship with its 20th century past.
Far-right leader Joerg Haider last year provoked a storm of criticism when
he defended and praised Adolf Hitler's elite Waffen SS. The police and
judiciary have also come under intense media scrutiny for failing to track
down and convict suspected right-wing extremists who have terrorised
Austria with letter bombs over the past three years. 

[End]

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Openliners' lawyers do the talking

A Vancouver radio station sues an anti-racism lobby group

by Jerry Collins

Alberta  Report / June 3, 1996

When castigating conservatives for opposing things like the dissemination
of explicit homosexual information in schools, liberals often cite the
importance of the untrammelled right of free speech. They tend to be less
ethusiastic when politically incorrect opinions are expressed, however. A
recently filed Vancouver lawsuit claims that the desire to suppress
unfashionable commentary recently induced one prominent "anti-racism"
lobbyist to stumble into the realm of civil defamation.  Allan Dutton, the
head of the B.C.-based Canadian Anti-racism Education and Research
Society, is being sued for libel by Vancouver radio station AM-1040 for
alleging the station airs racist views.

According to Mr. Dutton, AM-1040 provides "a forum for racists and
anti-Semites." Mr. Dutton told the Jewish Western Bulletin that a March 22
broadcast, featuring talkshow host Charles Maclean with Toronto's Paul
Fromm, contained "horrifying" anti-Semitic and racist remarks. Mr. Fromm
campaigns against Canada's policies on multiculturalism, immigration and
foreign aid . The Bulletin, which wrote an editorial on the matter, and
reporter Roberta Staley also are named in AM-1040's libel suit.

Mr. Maclean denies racist remarks have ever been made on his program. He
says Mr. Fromm was invited on Am-1040's Nightline show shortly after his
organization, the Canadian Association for Freedom of Expression, had its
meeting cancelled by a Vancouver-area hotel after opponents protested.

"What I said to him was, 'Here are all the things the Vancouver Sun and
the CBC are saying'," Mr. Maclean recalls.  Mr. Fromm then received an
opportunity to rebut charges that he is a fascist and a racist. At no
time, adds Mr. Maclean, were any anti-Semitic remarks expressed.

Dave Abbott's morning talk show on Am-1040 also was cited by Mr. Dutton,
who singled out an interview with American white-supremacist pastor
Charles Scott. Mr. Dutton's third grievance is Mr. Maclean's March 18
interview with revisionist historian David irving. Mr. Irving has written
about 30 books, including the 1963 bestseller The Destruction of Dresden,
and biographies of Hitler, Erwin Rommel and a highly unflattering account
of Winston Churchill's wartime leadership.

His most recent effort is a biography of Josef Goebbels, which last month
was favourably reviewed in both the London Sunday Times and London Sunday
Telegraph. In the past, eminent historian A.J.P. Taylor and The Spectator
and The Economist have also praised Mr. Irving. 

But he has also earned the enmity of international Jewish groups, which
regard him as the world's leading Holocaust denier.  Largely as a result
of their antipathy, Mr. Irving has been barred from many Western
countries, including Canada, which deported him on an immigration
technicality in 1992.

Mr. Dutton, who claims AM-1040 improperly circumvented Canada's
immigration laws by interviewing Mr. Irving from his London home, lodged a
complaint with the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications
Commission. The station has responded to the CRTC's request for an answer
to the charge.

Mr. Maclean stresses that he interviews people from across the political
and social spectrum. For example, when Mr. Dutton declined to appear on
the same program as Mr. Irving, producer Liz Parker secured the
participation of Bernie Farber of the Canadian Jewish Congress.

Mr. Dutton nonetheless sees hypocrisy at work.  "Charles has said on
numerous occasions that he supports freedom of expression," he says.
"What's happening here is [AM-1040] is attempting to suppress commentary
on their shows."

Responds Mr. Maclean: "How can Dutton say we were suppressing him? He was
invited on the [Irving] program and refused, and subsequently was offered
30 minutes of uninterrupted airtime on my show to say what he wanted."

[End]

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THOUGHT POLICE GET CLUBS

By Gerald Porter

Executive Secretary B.C. Press Council

For those who appreciate the blessings of free speech and the torments of
a free press, imagine the following happy scenario unfolding in your home
town:

You speak out passionately at a rip-roaring town hall meeting, get
reported in the paper, and then find yourself hauled up before a tribunal
whose politically-appointed members are armed to the teeth with powers to
fine and silence you - and they do, for your politically-incorrect ideas. 

It's even worse for the newspaper and the feckless reporter who quoted
you. Sound crazy?

Welcome to the brave new world of British Columbia after October first,
when the newly minted Human Rights Commission opens its doors. 

And while the above scenario is admittedly dramatic, it will be possible
under the expanded powers and mandate of the new commission - powers no
body of political appointees should have in a democracy. 

This Orwellian scenario should also explain why for more than two years
the B.C. Press Council has urged the provincial government to repeal
controversial changes to the Human Rights Act, changes council firmly
believe are unnecessary, unconstitutional and a genuine threat to free
speech and a free press in this province. Your free speech, your free
press. 

This bizarre tale starts back in June 1993, when the provincial government
made seemingly minor amendments to the Human Rights Act, changes that
alarmed newspapers because it looked like the government was trying to
sneak in press controls through the Human Rights Council's back door. 

"No, no," said the government, from Premier Mike Harcourt on down, "you've
got it all wrong."

But two years later it appeared we didn't. 

In June 1995, the government passed Bill 32, another Human Rights
amendment, which gave Draconian powers to a beefed-up Human Rights
Commission and established the tribunal to wield them.

So, why is the Press Council, the self-regulating body of 127 B.C.
newspapers, so concerned? Because the new Human Rights Act in B.C. gives
the tribunal (read government) the right to harass and punish newspapers
and journalists for doing their jobs; the incredible right to lay
complaints against people who say or publish unpopular opinions without
waiting for a member of the public to complain (a new 'improvement' since
1993) - and then turns the felons over to its own tribunal to judge. 

What criteria will the tribunal use in judging? Nothing less than those
seemingly minor amendments made to the act under Bill 33. 

In Bill 33, by simply adding the words "publication" and "statement" to
the discriminatory publication provision in Section Two of the Human
Rights Act, the government effectively included newspapers for the first
time. 

Premier Harcourt said he did it because federal hate laws didn't go far
enough, although they clearly do and his government knew it. 

The new Section Two also expanded the definition of what constituted hate.
It was now a crime, a thought crime, to "publish" or utter any "statement"
that "indicates discrimination or intention to discriminate" against
anyone or a group, or that is "likely to expose a person or a group ... to
hatred or contempt because of the race, color, ancestry, place of origin,
religion, marital status, family status, physical of mental disability,
sex, sexual orientation or age of that person..."

When the press council asked: Just what did "likely to expose" or
"intention" to expose mean? the government said it didn't know but it
would let the Human Rights Council decide, a body now empowered,
incidentally, to levy crushing fines against offenders.

The press council also looked askance at another 'minor' change to the
act: the removal of the provision that said "a person may, by speech or in
writing, freely express his opinion on a subject." That, as much as
anything else, left a clear impression that the government was prepared to
run roughshod over the spirit of the Charter of Rights (Article Two of the
Charter guarantees a free press and free expression) in an effort to
enforce an unconstitutional law that had one overriding objective - to
harass and penalize those with "politically incorrect" ideas, including
those who merely publish, sell or display other people's views. 

That impression was confirmed in June 1995, when, the government passed
Bill 32, which set up the new tribunal and armed it with the powers of a
mini-Inquisition to seek out and punish the "politically incorrect," or
maybe just people the government doesn't like. 

Late last year, press council chairman Robert Yanow asked the Attorney
General to consider amending the act to exclude the news media from its
sweeping provisions.

He also asked the government to reinstate the old "free speech" provision,
and wrote that the press council "would even be satisfied with a reference
to the Canadian Charter, as this would indicate that the provincial
government respects those freedoms most cherished by Canadians." Freedoms
generations had fought and died for.

Ujjal Dosanjh answered: no, no, and no; to which Yanow replied: "I cannot
understand why your government conceives that it must stand by legislation
which is obviously unlawful." But the answer seems clear. 

No government in its right mind would want the people to know it had just
created a thought police armed with clubs. And certainly not during an
election year.

That's why you haven't heard much about it from the government, but you
will, in the fall, when it opens its doors for business. 

For information call the B.C. Press Council at 683-2571.

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CENSORS IN SALMON ARM

THE ELECTION is over but as this was being written I could not know the
outcome. So you are deprived of my golden words on the matter. But I can
introduce you to the Battle of Salmon Arm, another kind of election. 

It began in March when a bunch of left-wing loonies and ethnics succeeded
in "persuading" the Surrey Inn to cancel a Canadian Association of Free
Expression conference.

Pat Burns was to have been the keynote speaker. I was to speak on Bill 33.
Other people were to have made addresses on the parlous state of free
speech in The True North.

This censorship effort in our great democracy was supported by the usual
groups and personages, including Marxist Alan Dutton, who got over
$135,000 from the NDP government in the 1994-95 financial year for
watching "racists." Also - after the fact - by Ujjal Dosanjh, your
ever-lovin' Attorney General.

The conference did take place in the end, at an unannounced location. It
reminded me of the Christians meeting in the catacombs of Rome. But that
it was held at all was no thanks to David Lethbridge, a Jewish gent who
heads the pompously named Salmon Arm Coalition Against Racism. 

Lethbridge, an academic, preened himself in the Salmon Arm press at his
success in squelching free speech.

Your agent thereupon took up the cudgels and correspondence ensued in the
Salmon Arm and Surrey newspapers.

Lethbridge wrote about my sins and the sins of Paul Fromm, the conference
organizer. According to him we are all fascists or as good as fascist,
although we would never dream of trying to stop Lethbridge or anyone else
>from  holding meetings.

Worse still, we defend people like David Irving, the British historian who
was hustled out of Canada for holding the wrong views on the holocaust. 

I challenged Lethbridge to a duel. Of words. But he prefers to shoot from
behind cover and ducked out of debating me. Very wise of him, because he
would have been swallowed whole, untasty morsel though he may be. 

His line is that of the Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyite crowd - "No free
speech for fascists." And he makes a career of it. 

In an article in the Western Jewish Bulletin he congratulated himself on
how he has "encouraged" hotels not to rent accommodation to people of whom
he disapproves. He also claimed that he spends up to 50 hours a week on
such important work. Which makes me wonder how much time he has to teach
students, for which taxpayers foot the bill. 

I am not one to run away from a fight, so an ad was placed in a Salmon Arm
newspaper. It read:

"DOUG COLLINS, the columnist the NDP and the pressure groups want to
silence, speaks on Freedom of Speech and Press, the NDP's threat to open
discussion, and David Lethbridge, who won't debate him. Host, Pat Burns." 

The meeting was held during the Victoria Day weekend in the Salmon Arm
Community Centre, and Lethbridge nearly had kittens. The RCMP were in
attendance, as it was thought there might be trouble from neo-Bolsheviks
who have descended on other meetings.

Lethbridge bobbed around outside with a bunch of scruffy students bearing
signs about bigotry, on which they are experts. Salmon Arm's Mayor, Ian
Wickett, was also outside. Perhaps he was holding Lethbridge's hand,
seeing that they were sitting in the same car.

The meeting went well and the press coverage in the Salmon Arm Observer
was fair. "Collins attacks limits on free speech," was the headline. 

Lethbridge did his best to have this meeting nixed, too. The Observer
reported him as having asked the mayor to cancel it. 

His Worship, who seems to be a real wet, wanted to oblige. But he told
Local Hero he couldn't.

He had consulted the city's lawyers and they said "it would clearly have
been illegal."

Interesting. Does that mean all of Lethbridge's other "successes" were illegal?

I enjoyed giving my speech. Pity the mayor didn't come in. He might have
learned something.

I declare myself the winner on points of the Battle of Salmon Arm. But if
Local Hero had had the spine to debate me it would have been a knockout in
the first round.

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Mystifying Downfall / Onetime hero's new beliefs embarrass France 

By Julian Nundy [Newsday Magazine]

PARIS

AS A BOY in Lyons in the 1920s, Henri Groues used to go with his father on
Sunday mornings to shelters for the homeless to wash the feet of the poor.
At other times, his father would tell him to gather up his favorite toys
and the boy would donate them to orphanages. 

Henri's deeply Catholic father hoped to teach his son humility. It was the
beginning of a life of piety and devotion to the poor that was, decades
later, to put Henri - known to the public as Abbe Pierre - atop one French
popularity poll after another. 

Known for angry outbursts about the fate of the homeless in a consumer
society where the majority lives well, the bearded and bespectacled face
of Abbe Pierre topped by his black beret became synonymous with charity.
Rushing to the side of the unhappy and appealing for help, even when aged
and suffering himself from Parkinson's Disease, Abbe Pierre became, for
many, a living saint. 

Until this year, when the national conscience became a national embarrassment.
At age 83, Abbe Pierre last month chose to support an old philosopher
friend, Roger Garaudy, who claimed in a recently published book, "The
Founding Myths of the State of Israel," that the extent of the Nazi
extermination of Jews during World War II was exaggerated. 

For French intellectuals there is no greater sin than to join this
"negationist" camp. In fact, it's against French law. Garaudy has been
indicted and awaits trial on charges of "minimizing crimes against
humanity."
The more Abbe Pierre tried to explain his gesture - defiantly at first,
then more and more apologetically - the more he sank into a quagmire of
his own making. In the early days after his first statement of support for
Garaudy, Abbe Pierre admitted he had not read the book. Then he said he
did not know that its publishers specialized in extreme right-wing
literature.

The focus of Abbe Pierre's blind friendship was a dubious one. Garaudy,
82, rose through the ranks of the French Communist Party during its most
Stalinist period. Expelled from the party's Politburo in 1970, he later
converted from his family's Protestant faith to Catholicism and later to
Islam.

In his book, Garaudy says Zionist ideology amounts to "political
exploitation, by a nation which did not exist when these crimes were
committed, of arbitrarily exaggerated figures to try and prove that the
suffering of some was far greater than that of all the others; the fact
that it has become sacred makes us forget other, more dreadful genocides."

In a letter to the daily newspaper Le Monde, Abbe Pierre said it was
"quite normal that we were given to exaggerations after the war." Garaudy,
he said, was "a true historian." His comments aroused a storm of protest
in the French media. Later, he was to moderate his statements but said he
regretted that a proper debate on the Holocaust could not be held - which,
of course, is a cherished goal of Holocaust deniers. 

The daily Liberation said the negationist historians could "never have
hoped for such a divine surprise." The most famous of them, Robert
Faurisson, who has been banned from teaching history in French
universities, even issued a press statement welcoming Abbe Pierre's
support of his cause.

It is ironic that Abbe Pierre should founder on this issue. During World
War II, unlike many of his countrymen, the young priest, who had entered
the Capuchin monastic order in 1931, was a courageous and active member of
the anti-Nazi Resistance. There he acquired the nom de guerre of Abbe
Pierre. In particular, he was part of a network that smuggled French Jews
to safety in Switzerland.

His time in the Resistance led to politics - he was briefly a member of
the postwar Chamber of Deputies, or lower house of parliament 
- before beginning militant charity work. 

On Feb. 1, 1954, Abbe Pierre burst into the studios of the French national
radio station during a spell of freezing weather. He was allowed to read
his appeal on the air. "My friends, help me!" he shouted. "Let us love
each other just enough to stop this. We need 5,000 blankets and 300 big
tents." Ordinary Parisians flocked to help him. 

Over the decades, he was a constant figure at protests by the poor,
appearing in front of the cameras and microphones to angrily denounce a
system that could not look after them. In one case, he was flown in a
helicopter hired by a television channel to make it to a protest in time
for prime-time news.

But even before the Garaudy episode, Abbe Pierre's high-profile protests
have become increasingly shrill and misdirected. On Bosnia, he gave the
French government instructions for the rescue of prisoners in Serb camps,
advocating the use of paratroopers to take them out while aerial bombings
wiped out Serb artillery around Sarajevo. It was, he said, inexcusable for
civilians to be massacred, "even if they are Muslims." He later apologized
for those words. 

He demanded that the French national anthem "La Marseillaise" should be
rewritten to make it less warlike. During last year's presidential
election campaign, he delivered a public judgment on the man who
eventually won, Jacques Chirac, pronouncing him "incapable of running
France."

In March, Abbe Pierre appeared in a Paris church which 400 African
immigrants had occupied in a campaign opposing residence papers. Cardinal
Jean Lustiger, archbishop of Paris, showed the first signs of Church
irritation with Abbe Pierre, asking in a television interview why so many
had gathered spontaneously at the same spot. Lustiger said the immigrants
were manipulated and their protest could backfire. 

When police eventually evacuated the church, Abbe Pierre accused Prime
Minister Alain Juppe of being "a liar." He said the prime minister had
promised that police would take no action. Such was Abbe Pierre's
popularity that Juppe invited Abbe Pierre to his office for a public
reconciliation.

But by tearing at the scars of a French society rent during World War II
among victims of the German war machine, resisters and collaborators, Abbe
Pierre seems on his way to undoing a lifetime of good work. The French
International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism has expelled him
>from  its committee of honor. Joseph Sitruk, France's Grand Rabbi, said his
behavior displayed the old French Catholic anti-Semitism.

And the weekly L'Express recalled that, railing against the Pope, Abbe
Pierre said the pontiff should have retired at 75. As Abbe Pierre took off
for a two-month self-imposed exile from the public scene, L'Express said
the 83-year-old priest "thinks too much about others to the point that he
forgets that all well-ordered charity begins at home."


[End]

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Here's how Stuart Kahan describes his uncle, Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich,
in his memoir The Wolf of The Kremlin [William Morrow: New York, 1987, pp.
14-15]:

"...Stalin's closest confidant, the chairman of the Soviet Presidium, the
man who set up the amalgamation of the state security forces that later
became the infamous KGB, the man who personally supervised the purges that
ran rampant through Russia in the thirties and forties, the man who
instituted more restrictions and quotas on the Jews than anyone else, the
man who urged and orchestrated the deaths of 20 million people...the
ultimate Jew-hater himself, and the only Jew in the hierarchy."

However, when the name Lazar Kaganovitch crops up in a passage in Elie
Wiesel's memoir Legends of Our Time [Holt,Rinehart and Winston: New
York,1968, p.156], it is given a totally different spin. Here's what
happened: 

Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor, novelist, and future Nobel Peace Prize
laureate [1986], was in Moscow sometime in the mid-1960s, where he joined
a crowd of his co-religionist Jews. He describes a street celebration
during which a young Jew in the crowd began to call out the names of
accomplished and celebrated Soviet Jews. With each name, the "crowd roared
back its approval."  

Then:

"Unthinking, he chose the name of one long forgotten: 'Long live Lazar
Kaganovitch!' Someone near me asked jokingly whether Kaganovitch was still
alive. Yes, he is still alive, but only the Jews remember him. I wonder if
it ever crossed his mind that a day would come when he name would be
trumpeted aloud outside the Jewish synagogue, while he himself was
banished from the Kremlin walls."  

After which, Wiesel makes no more references to Kaganovitch, sentimental
or otherwise. 

Certainly, Wiesel expressed none of his characteristic outrage that the
name of Lazar Kaganovitch (a mass murderer, after all) should have been
loudly cheered  by his fellow Jews or had been the object of easygoing
banter. 

It's both telltale and interesting that a recurring motif of Wiesel's 1968
memoir had been the need to remember the innocent victims and guilty
perpetrators of the Holocaust.  

Needless to say, Wiesel is grotesquely mistaken when he says "only the
Jews remember" Lazar Kaganovitch. 

More than Judeocentric, Wiesel's attitude is utterly solipsistic, when one
considers that the name Lazar Kaganovitch has the same resonance for
Russian and Ukrainian ears as the name Heinrich Himmler has for Jewish
ears.

Orest Slepokura

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"In Our Hands"
by Joseph Sobran

One isn't supposed to say this, but many people believe that Israel now
holds the White House, the Senate, and much of the American media in its
hands. This is what is known as an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

The odd thing is that it is held by many Israelis. In an essay reprinted
in the May 27th issue of The New York Times, Ari Shavit, an Israeli
columnist, reflected sorrowfully on the wanton Israeli killing of more
than 100 Lebanese civilians in April: "We killed them out of a certain
naive hubris. Believing with absolute certitude that now, with the White
House, the Senate, and much of the American media in our hands, the lives
of others do not count as much as our own..."

In a single phrase -- "in our hands" -- Shavit has lighted up the American
political landscape like a flash of lightning. 

Notice that Shavit assumes as an obvious fact what we Americans can say
publicly only at our own risk. It's surprising, and refreshing, to find
such candor in an American newspaper (though his essay was reprinted from
the Israeli paper Haaretz). 

The prescribed cant on the subject holds that Israel is a "reliable ally"
of the United States, despite Israel's long record of double-dealing
against this country, ranging from the killing of American sailors to
constant espionage and technology theft. The word "ally" implies that the
relationship exists because it's in the interests of this country, though
Israel's lobby is clearly devoted to the interests of Israel itself, and
it's childish to suggest otherwise.

You expect that from the Israeli lobby; lobbies are lobbies, after all.
But it's unnerving that the White House, the Senate, and much of the
American media should be "in our hands," as Shavit puts it. Bill Clinton,
a lover of peace since his college days, raised no protest when the
Israelis drove 400,000 innocent Lebanese out of their homes in
"retaliation" for rockets launched into Israel (wounding one Israeli) by a
faction over whom those 400,000 had no control.

Congress, of course, was supine as usual at this latest extravagance of
Israeli "defense." Congress too is "in our hands." 

A recent article in The Washington Post likened the Israel lobby's power
to that of the gun and tobacco lobbies. But there is one enormous
difference. Newspapers like the Post aren't afraid to criticize the gun
and tobacco lobbies. They will say forthrightly that those lobbies seek
goals that are dangerous for this country. They don't dare say as much of
the Israeli lobby. 

But much of the press and electronic media are "in our hands" in a more
active sense: They supply misleading pro-Israel propaganda in the guise of
news and commentary, constantly praising Israeli "democracy" and ignoring
Israel's mistreatment of its non-Jewish minorities -- mistreatment which,
if any government inflicted it on a Jewish minority, would earn it the
fierce opprobrium of our media. 

No decent American would think of reducing American Jews to the status of
Palestinians in Israel. The idea is almost absurd. Yet Americans are taxed
to subsidize the oppression of Palestinians, on the flimsy pretext that
they are helping an "ally" in America's own self-interest to be hated and
despised by the whole Muslim world. 

All this is interesting less for what it tells us about Israel than for
what it tells us about America. Frank discussion of Israel is permitted in
Israel, as Shavit's article illustrates. It's rarely permitted here.
Charges of anti-Semitism and a quiet but very effective boycott will be
the reward of any journalist who calls attention to his own government's
-- and his own profession's -- servitude to Israeli interests.

Very few in America are doing anything to change this sorry state of
affairs. Shavit wrote his article in the desperate hope of turning back
his countrymen and his government from a morally and politically perilous
course. At least he can hope. It's harder for us, when our own government
isn't in our hands. 

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    The Globe and Mail [June 12] carried the following article on p. 4: 


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                 Report urges tougher CSIS guidelines


OTTAWA--A Commons subcommittee says the Canadian Security Intelligence
Service's civilian watchdog didn't show enough bite when it reviewed a
covert operation involving the Nazi Heritage Front and its founder, Grant
Bristow. 

Liberal MPs on the subcommittee recommend tougher guidelines for similar
operations by CSIS in a draft report obtained by The Canadian Press
yesterday. 

The six-member subcommittee on national security began its investigation
in the fall of 1994 after it was revealed that a CSIS source on the Nazi
movement, alleged to have been Mr. Bristow, was a founder of the Heritage
Front. 

The report suggests a prohibition on sources who engage in illegal or
discreditable activities and an amendment tothe CSIS ACT to allow the
agency to warn people if it discovers they are in danger. 

--Canadian Press 


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Pierre Vidal-Naquet has characterized Elie Wiesel as a facile and prolific
liar. Pierre Vidal-Naquet is a respected Holocaust historian. Like Elie
Wiesel, Pierre Vidal-Naquet is also Jewish. Moreover, he has been Robert
Faurisson's intellectual nemesis since at least 1981.

In an interview with the French journalist, Michel Folco [Zéro, April,
1987, p. 57], Pierre Vidal-Naquet characterized Elie Wiesel as "a Shoah
merchant" and as a man who was more dangerous than even the late Rabbi
Meyer Kahane. Here's what Pierre Vidal-Naquet told Michel Folco concerning
Elie Wiesel:

"For example, you have Rabbi Kahane, that extremist Jew, who is less
dangerous than a man like Elie Wiesel, who will say JUST ABOUT ANYTHING
[in the French text, the expression "N'IMPORTE QUOI" is printed in block
letters]...Reading some of the descriptions in _Night_ is enough to make
you realize that some of the descriptions are not accurate and that he
ends up transforming himself into a Shoah merchant...And in fact he also
harms, does enormous harm, to historical truth."

Respected, mainstream Jewish scholars such as Marc Ellis and Avishai
Margarlit and Philip Lopate have said similar things about Elie Wiesel.

Prominent, dissident Jewish scholars such as Noam Chomsky and Alfred
Lilienthal and Israel Shahak have also said similar things about Elie
Wiesel. 

Are they wrong? Are they right?


Orest Slepokura

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From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
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A CASE OF EDITORIAL ANEMIA by Doug Collins 

WHAT is the world coming to? In an extensive North Shore News poll on
whether your man Doug should be hung or hanged by the NDP's Thought
Police, only 7% said Yes.
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And the day before the result of the survey was published, the Vancouver
Sun finally got off its fat editorial ass and discovered the threat to
free speech that is Bill 33.

As civil rights lawyer Roger McConchie said, Bill 33 "is intended to
stifle speech that is not criminal."

But the Sun didn't want to go too far. Collins' opinions are indecent, it
suggests. However, the fellow is entitled to a hearing. 

They only want me half hanged, but I say to hell with half measures. So
your scribe penned a reply which at this writing had not been published.
It read: 

"Thanks for your support on the NDP's scandalous Bill 33. Sort of. 

"The legislation is bad, you say. However, Collins' opinions 'are often
deeply repugnant, offensive and disgusting.' 

"It's a funny thing, but that's exactly what I think about your opinions. 

"I find it offensive that you should have nothing critical to say about an
immigration policy that is destroying what used to be known as English
Canada and in a few years' time will metamorphize this country into
another Lebanon, or worse.

"I find it deeply repugnant that you should support abortion on demand,
bubble zones, and any phoney sob-story put out by bogus refugees. 

"I find it disgusting that you should push homosexuality, homosexual
'rights,' and other aspects of such physical and moral perversion. 

"I find it offensive that you can be so hypocritical. You have supported
the federal 'hate laws.' Now, Janus-like, you condemn the NDP's Bill 33,
which is a natural extension of those laws.

"It was your politically correct views that helped to create an atmosphere
in which the NDP thought it was safe enough to go after dissidents with
legislation like Bill 33, plus those other clamps on freedom of
expression, Bills 28 and 32.

"As you know, those bills favor political parties in advertising and give
the Human Rights Gestapo the right to invade business offices looking for
"evidence." They also enable the Thought Police to make complaints on
behalf of people who have made no complaints. Big Brother, indeed! 

"I used to write a column for the Sun. My opinions then were the same as
they are now and the publisher of that day, Stu Keate, thought I was the
greatest thing since sliced bread. But that was before the blight of
political correctness descended on the land like the locusts of Ancient
Egypt.

"Disgustingly yours ...".

If the Sun managers doubt what I say about the days before the place went
wimp, it need only look up the hundreds of columns I wrote for it and
consult the reports on the commie, loony and other demonstrations against
me that took place outside the Pacific Press castle on Granville Street. 

Now it has itself joined the demonstrators because the castle has been
captured by the New Puritanism, as have most of the mainstream media. 

The Sun's editorial pages are controlled by Patricia Graham, a dedicated
feminist who was parachuted in from the legal profession, Southams being
keen to show they are nice guys.

But as a friend of mine says, "Never send a woman to do a man's job!" 

There now, sweetheart, ain't that really disgusting? 

Stuffed with syrup, the Sun became the "fisher" paper, actresses became
"actors," and chairmen became a piece of furniture. 

The Sun is so pathetically eager to curry favor with the ethnics that on
Mondays its editorial page is decorated with Chinese writing. I can't wait
for Punjabi, Farsi and Somali to make it. 

Abandon hope, all ye who read the Sun. You might as well expect Glen Clark
to become a Reformer as to imagine that the largest newspaper in the West
will change for the better.

It has long suffered from incurable editorial anemia and is afraid to say
anything that professors, pokenoses and parasites might object to. 

But if the survey on Collins is correct, such people total only 7% of the
population.

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The Jewish writer Ellen Jaffe McClain, writing in her book, _Embracing the
Stranger_ [p. 18], makes a reference to Deborah Lipstadt's exclusionary
Jewish chauvinism. In this regard, McClain writes:

"Although people like Deborah Lipstadt, the Emory University professor who
has written and lectured widely on Holocaust denial, have exhorted Jewish
parents to just say no to intermariage [with gentiles], much the same way
they expect their children not to take drugs, a large majority of [Jewish]
parents and (more than a few rabbis) are unable to lay down opposition to
intermarriage as a strict operating principle."

It seems that it is other people's exclusionary chauvinism Deborah
Lipstadt disapproves of; she damns it as "racism" and what-not.  Her own
exclusionary Jewish chauvinism, on the other hand, she is obviously very
comfortable with. 

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Orest Slepokura

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Not Everything is Relative

by Jeff Jacoby

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - January 22, 1995 

Forget Christina Jeffrey. Her objection to the Holocaust-based junior high
school curriculum ''Facing History and Ourselves'' -- that it omits the
Nazi and Ku Klux Klan points of view -- remains as bizarre today as in
1986, when she expressed it in a critique for the Department of Education
(which then denied Facing History's request for a $70,000 grant). The
resurrection of that controversy last week ended Jeffrey's tenure as
historian of the U.S. House just days after Speaker Newt Gingrich hired
her -- and rightly so.

But Facing History has been rejected by scholars far more distinguished
than some unknown political science professor from an obscure Georgia
college. One of its most formidable critics was the late Lucy Dawidowicz,
a towering scholar of the Holocaust and author of the landmark history
''The War Against the Jews 1933-1945.'' 

During the 1988 flap, Dawidowicz was asked to compose an article defending
Facing History from its critics in the Education Department.

''I never did so,'' she later recounted. ''My own reading of the
curriculum persuaded me that the Department of Education had ample reason
to turn down the grant. ... Putatively a curriculum to teach the
Holocaust, Facing History was also a vehicle for instructing 13-year-olds
in civil disobedience and indoctrinating them with propaganda.''

Dawidowicz rebuked Facing History for twisting the Holocaust into a case
study of ethical ambiguities. Its ''message of moral relativism,'' she
noted in 1990, ''has reached the students using the curriculum; in the
diary in which they are required to enter their reactions, one of them
wrote, 'From the course I've learned that there is not just one right and
one wrong answer.' This is a message that might have been useful to
students in prewar Germany, the most flagrantly authoritarian society in
all the West. But do American children, who have been raised in
unprecedented freedom and permissiveness, need to be instructed in the
virtues of disobedience?''

Facing History and Ourselves goes out of its way to detach the Holocaust
>from  its historical moorings. The most monstrous crime of the 20th century
is presented as just another, albeit a hideous, example of prejudice. One
might have thought that if the Final Solution was about anything, it was
about the uniquely virulent power of anti-Semitism, a hatred older than
and different from any other in human history. Yet the Facing History
curriculum urges students to see the Nazis' murder of 6 million Jews, the
extermination of two-thirds of European Jewry, a crime so unprecedented
that the word ''genocide'' had to be coined to contain it, as not unique
at all.

You see, suggests Facing History to the 500,000 children it teaches,
Auschwitz equals the American slave trade. Equals Ku Klux Klan lynchings.
Equals the 1920s ''Red Scare.'' Equals My Lai. We Americans, especially we
white Americans -- we're not so different from the Germans, after all. The
implication is that there's a little Nazi in all of us. Nazi-ish things
happen in the USA, too.

In its effort to de-Judaize and generalize the Holocaust, Facing History
commits the unforgivable sin of trivializing it. Its newest (1994)
curriculum manual and its daylong seminars use the Holocaust as an analogy
or a key to dealing with every social ill from battered women to
homelessness to the ''stereotyping'' of Asian-Americans.

Repeatedly, Facing History pushes students to see contemporary America as
a latter-day Weimar Republic, slipping down the slope that leads to
Dachau. The new curriculum opens by quoting welfare lobbyist Marian Wright
Edelman: ''The American Dream is collapsing. ... American is pitted
against American as economic uncertainty and downturn increase our fears,
our business failures, our poverty rates, our racial divisions, and the
dangers of political demagoguery.'' American children, says Facing
History, have been ''taught to hate and fear.'' It attributes ''much of
the violence that threatens our society'' to ''bigotry and hate.''

This is a grim, bitter portrait -- and an apt introduction to a manual
that constantly associates America with prewar Germany.

In ''classrooms across the nation,'' wrote Facing History's executive
director, Margot Strom, in her 1994 annual report, ''students learn about
the events that led to the Holocaust and other genocides as they confront
similar themes of violence in their own lives.'' As though anything in the
lives of eighth-grade American kids is going to be ''similar'' to the
atrocities of the Nazis and their collaborators. By making the Holocaust
stand for everything, Facing History is hastening the day when it will
stand for nothing.

Least of all anti-Semitism. Incredible in a curriculum centered on the
Holocaust, but true: Facing History's manual, which runs to 576 pages, has
nothing to say about modern anti-Semitism. The topic is alluded to once,
in a short description of a 1989 vandalism spree in Wellesley, Mass., when
some punks painted white-supremacist slogans and swastikas on cars and
buildings around town.

Meanwhile, the most poisonous source of Jew -hatred in America today --
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan -- is described, astonishingly,
with sympathy and admiration. Facing History's students are taught that
Farrakhan ''has attracted African-Americans by speaking directly to the
pain and pride'' they feel, and that this is why Farrakhan's ''message has
been so warmly received even though parts of it stereotype and demean
other groups.''

What irony. The justification that Facing History offers to excuse
Farrakhan's vitriol was offered 50 years ago to excuse Adolf Hitler's.


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                French priest under fire for Holocaust remarks 


PARIS (Reuter) - Abbe Pierre, France's most popular defender of the poor,
came under fire from his Roman Catholic superiors Monday after reiterating
his support for a book questioning the Holocaust. The Catholic Bishops
Conference issued a stinging rebuttal to the 83-year-old priest, usually
regarded as a beacon of common sense, deploring his attitude and saying it
was creating "extremely serious confusion." 

In a flood of other criticism of Abbe Pierre, France's chief Rabbi Joseph
Sitruk voiced concern over a resumption of anti-Semitism. Abbe Pierre
insisted he had lifted a taboo and helped French people see more clearly
through his controversial backing for philosopher Roger Garaudy, a
long-time friend, over his book "The Founding Myths of Israeli Politics." 

"The taboo is off. You will no longer be called anti-Jewish or
anti-Semitic for saying a Jew sings out of tune," Abbe Pierre told the
leftwing daily Liberation.

Bernard Kouchner, an old friend and a popular former minister of
humanitarian affairs, called him "Father Quixote" and accused him of using
his fame to serve a poor cause that played into the hands of extreme
right-wingers.
"You have pained me, father, and I cannot get over it," Kouchner said in
an article in the newspaper Le Monde.

Abbe Pierre, who campaigns tirelessly for the poor and has been nominated
for the Nobel Peace Prize, has for years topped opinion polls as the most
popular person in France.

Garaudy denied the commonly accepted belief that six million Jews were
killed during World War II and said calling the Nazi crimes " genocide" or
a "Holocaust" was an exaggeration.

He said that Jews fell victims to bombings, forced marches, starvation and
epidemics rather than systematic extermination. Garaudy, a former Roman
Catholic who converted to Islam after being expelled from the Communist
Party leadership, argued that Israel has used "the myth of six million
exterminated Jews" to build its state and justify attacks on Palestinians.

"We reject the extremely serious confusion and scandal resulting from the
support given (to Garaudy)," the Roman Catholic Bishops' Conference said
in a statement, adding it "regrets and deplores Abbe Pierre's commitment
to Mr. Garaudy."

"The extermination took place, it's a proven fact. It was genocide. ..the
gas chambers existed," the bishops said. 

Abbe Pierre first expressed his support about a week ago. Abbe Pierre, who
helped Jews escape from Nazi-occupied France to neutral Switzerland,
appeared to distance himself from Garaudy last week. He said he backed his
friend but did not support his ideas and admitted he had read only a
summary of the book provided by his advisers. He repeated in the
Liberation interview published Monday that he was not backing
"revisionists" who deny the Holocaust. "Once the storm blows over," he
said, "many average French people will say: 'He helped us see more
clearly'."

Chief Rabbi Sitruk said in a statement that it was urgent to fight those
who denied the reality of the Holocaust and gather the testimony of
survivors before they died.

Liberation said Abbe Pierre gave the interview at the weekend, shortly
after a magistrate placed Garaudy under formal investigation in a
procedure that can lead to trial under French law which bans denying
crimes against humanity.
"How can you back that bastard, father?" Kouchner asked. REUTER


Raitberger, Francois, French priest under fire for Holocaust remarks.,
Reuters, 04-29-1996.

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Both SIRC and CSIS, Canada's interbal security watchdog agencies, were,
until quite recently, really and truly gung-ho about giving a certain
Ernst Zundel the old heave-ho out the country. 

Unless I'm mistaken, I believe it had something to do with Ernst Zundel
being perceived as a security risk and what-not. 

But for some esoteric reason (go figure, eh!?), the urgency of removing
this Mr. Zundel from the Canada seems to have dissipated, with both SIRC
and CSIS officials going off on an extended summer vacation, apparently,
and leaving what appeared like a rather urgent matter... unresolved.
Indefinitely... Ach! bureaucrats!

But, then again ours is--all in all--a most wonderfully tolerant and
laid-back country as the article below amply demonstrates. Indeed, it is a
liberals' paradise.

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Sunday, June 9, 1996 [The Ottawa Sun]

Killers, rapists welcome

Minister lets undesirables in through Canada's back door 

By ANNE DAWSON
Ottawa Parliamentary Bureau


ÊFormer immigration minister Sergio Marchi granted more than 1,500 special
entry permits to rapists, murderers, suspected terrorists and drunk
drivers last year.
ÊDocuments obtained by the Sunday Sun reveal Marchi doled out a total of
5,483 special minister's permits in 1995 to people who were initially
barred from entering Canada.
ÊMarchi gave approval to 394 people indicted of a criminal offence for
which the maximum sentence was 10 years or more, such as rape or murder or
armed robbery. And even people suspected of being involved in terrorism or
espionage got in on the handouts -- 10 minister's permits were given out
in this category.
Ê"This is appalling," stormed Reform MP Art Hanger. "There still is no
real effort to get control on the influx of undesirables in this country.
We don't need criminals and terrorists and yet that's still the trend that
is going on."
ÊAnother 1,155 permits were granted to immigrants convicted of a crime
carrying less than a 10-year sentence. These include simple assault, drunk
driving or theft under $5,000.
ÊThe special permits, which are usually granted on humanitarian grounds
for up to five years, were also issued to 395 people who posed a health
risk, 124 people who had been working here illegally, 536 people who had
stayed longer than their visitor or student visa permitted, and to 44
people previously deported.
ÊImmigration spokesman John Oliver said 43% of the permits issued last
year were for technical reasons. For example, an individual may not have
had the correct documentation such as a valid passport. ÊIn the 1,500
permits given to criminally inadmissible applicants, Oliver said these
people would have to have shown they had rehabilitated themselves. In most
cases, they would have to have completed their prison term five years
before applying for the permit, he added. ÊOliver also said although the
minister is responsible for handing out the permits, the majority of them
are actually distributed by office managers. ÊThe total number of permits
granted in 1995 over 1994 is down by about 1,700. Oliver said this is
partly due to the general crackdown and tightening of immigration
policies. As well, many pending removal cases were resolved in the last
year, he said.
ÊHanger said such permits should only be granted in very rare cases and
the generosity with which Marchi has doled these out in the past serves
only to put Canadians at risk. He said there should be no second chance
for convicted criminals from other countries in Canada. Ê"There are
individuals out there that would be far more productive than those with
criminal records or with terrorist backgrounds," said Hanger. 

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