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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: ISRAELI DOCTORS are ARRESTED EVERY YEAR for ILLEGAL TRADE in HUMAN ORGANS !
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> Australians are all outback larrikans. It's a given. It's genetic.
>
>
>
> Tilly_Gr@Removethis.gmail.com
YOU KNOW SWEET FUCK ALLO ABOUT AUSTRALIA OR AUSTRALIANS YOU STUPID
UNEDUCATED ZIONAZI COW



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Ed wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1167662313.938444.287910@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > prison for attempt to harm someone. This is about as low as even Jew
> > can get to publish somebody's home address and phone number, may you
> > rot in hell Deborah
>
> Hey, stupid, if the address and phone number are in the public phone
> directory (which it obviously is) then Deb did absolutely nothing illegal.
> If  Vera & Saul Perks don't want this published, they should get a
> nonpublished phone number.
> 
MALICIOUS, DISGUSTING FUCKING JEW DOG



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From: "Venceremos" 
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James Fenimore wrote:
> As your White House war criminal slinks from his "diplomatic" DEFEAT in
> his limp-wristed attempt to bully North Korea into giving up its
> nuclear intentions, we'll now see more sure-to-fail efforts to make
> Iran back down on its nuclear threats.
>
> Instead of pressuring ISRAEL into either reaching agreements with its
> Arabic/Islamic foes

Israel has no choice but to make peace with its Arab neighbors or die.
besides, Israel cannot possibly exist without its Arab neighbors,
unless United States want to continue pumping zillions of taxpayer
dollars into the fascist staTE OF iSRAEL..

However, considering that the Secreatary of US Treasury is sitting in
the German prison charged with non performance on a 4.5 trillion debt,
I doubt that US can afford to featherbed Jews



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: CBS: One in Six Israelis is Muslim
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Salah Jafar wrote:
> CBS: One in Six Israelis is Muslim
>       Matthew Wagner - The Jerusalem Post - 01/01/2007
>
>
>
> Muslim population is growing in Occupied Palestine.
>
>
>
>
>
> The Muslim population in Israel, including east Jerusalem and the Golan
> Heights, numbered 1.2 million at the end of 2006 - 16.5 percent of the total
> population of Israel - according to data released Sunday by the Central
> Bureau of Statistics. Eighty three percent of the Israeli Arab population is
> Muslim.
>
> The bureau traditionally releases data on the size of the Muslim population
> in Israel around the three-day festival Id al-Adha that began on Saturday
> according to most Sunnis or Sunday according to Shi'ites and some Sunni
> sects.
>
> Id al-Adha (or Id al-Qurban, the festival of the sacrifice), commemorates
> the Muslim version of the binding of Isaac. For Muslims it was Ishmael, not
> Isaac, who was to be sacrificed by his father Abraham. Ishmael was saved at
> the last minute after God replaced him with a ram.
>
> At 4.03 per woman, fertility rates among Israeli Muslims are among the
> highest in comparison to neighboring Arab countries. They surpass Jordan,
> Syria, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Lebanon, Kuwait and Tunisia.
>
> Since the 1950's, Muslim-Israeli fertility rates have gradually fallen from
> levels of nine per woman. After about a decade of stability at five,
> fertility rates over the past six years have again fallen significantly from
> 4.74 in 2000 to their present levels.
>
> In contrast, the Jewish fertility rate in 2005 was 2.69. Two demography
> experts from Hebrew University spoke with The Jerusalem Post, adding they
> were unwilling to be quoted because the subject of Muslim fertility rates in
> Israel was a highly charged issue politically.
>
> They said that various theories have been used to explain the relatively
> high Muslim-Israeli fertility rates but said that no definitive explanation
> of the phenomenon has been advanced.
>
> The preferred explanation is the microeconomic theory which states that
> Muslim-Israeli women have limited economic opportunities in the workplace or
> do not utilize the opportunities they have (only 14.6% Muslim women are
> employed compared to 50% of Jewish Israelis). As a result, Muslim-Israeli
> women, who are on average more educated than their peers in neighboring Arab
> countries, do not see childbearing as a big career sacrifice.
>
> In contrast, the minority status theory posits that Muslim-Israelis see
> large families as a means of combating threats to their lower social status.
>
> However, one demographer said, he was unable to prove the minority status
> theory especially since it did not seem to hold true regarding Christian and
> Druse-Israelis whose fertility rates were comparable to Jewish-Israelis.
>
> Sharp cuts in child allowances since 2002 may have had an impact on
> fertility rates as well, conjectured one of the demographers.
>
> Central bureau figures also pointed to a very young Muslim population. Some
> 43% were 14-years-old or younger and about a quarter of all children 14 or
> under were Muslim last year.
>
> Average monthly income per household for Muslims was NIS 7,055, compared to
> a national average of NIS 11,680 while consumption per household
> surprisingly was higher than income at NIS 9,892 compared to the national
> average of NIS 10,816.
>
> Muslims might be able to spend more than they earn due to social benefits
> that supplement their income.
>
> Some 59% of Muslim men were employed compared to 60.7% of Jewish men.
>
> Muslim unemployment was 11.9% compared to 9% among Jews.

Considering the well known fact that thousands of Jewish women have
either converted to Islam, married Arab men and converted to Islam, it
is obvious that the two faiths have to coexist together for the sake of
those multicultural children.



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Kim Bebbington wrote:
> On 29 Dec 2006 09:21:59 -0800, "howard.aubrey@gmail.com"
>  wrote:
>
> snip
>
> >
> >Joey, Arthur, baby!  I've arrived in California only to find your phone
> >number 619-722-6044 is disconnected!  Did you want to get together and
> >settle this like men  or not?
> >
> >It sure seems like 'not'!
> >
> >Get out a few of those medieval swords already and get back to me, OK?
> >
> >You are really starting to look like one big Internet pussy, and we
> >know you don't want THAT!  Right?
> >
> >
> >Call  my cell ASAP, so I can get back on the East Coast for New Years,
> >OK?
> >
>
> Does anyone else get the distinct impression that  Howard Aubrey is an
> angry little man?
> By "little", I mean very short in physical stature.
> He is constantly making loud empty boasts of how he is going to
> "settle this like men."

That is where you are wrong. He was challenged by the other guy, he
simply answered the challenge



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: What a Question!
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Salah Jafar wrote:
> What a Question!
>       Majeed Al-Barghouthi - 15/12/2006
>
>
>
> I met her on my way to Madame Tussauds.
> A smiling face with waxy looks
>
> * "Are you Spanish?" I asked,
>
> - "I am an open-minded girl,
> With no political convictions" she said.
>
> * "Are you Danish?"
>
> - "A Jew, an American Jew,
> And you?"
>
> * "I am Palestinian, an Arab Palestinian
> From Palestine".
>
> - "And where is that?"
>
> * "An Arab land between the River Jordan
> And the Mediterranean".
>
> - "How far is it from Israel?"
>
> * "What a question!
> Fifty years Greenwich Mean Time!
> And zero seconds my time!"

Right on the knocker!



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December 31, 2006

"Gerald Ford was almost alone in understanding that there can be no
healing without pardon."

-- Dick Cheney, 30 December 2006, eulogizing Gerald Ford.

* * *

One of the executioners asked "Are you afraid?"

He answered "I am not afraid of anyone. I have been a mujahid and a
political activist all my life, and I expected death at any moment. "

He added, "Down with the Americans and the Persians. Long live the Arab
nation and Palestine"

-- Saddam Hussein Al-Tikriti, 30 December 2006 (morning of the Muslim
Festival of Sacrifice), just before his death.

* * *

"He was an Arab and died like a true Arab"

-- K., an anonymous Arab woman, 30 December 2006, with tears in her
eyes.

* * *

The king is dead, but long live the king! Kings never die, and to try
to kill them is futile. Exile and imprisonment, rather than regicide,
carry far more humiliation for them, but personal humiliation was not
the intention here. The intention here was the attempted castration of
the Arab world, and another feeble attempt at the emasculation of the
Muslim Ummah. Once again, a horrible failure from the other King, the
King of Failures, George Bush II.

Personally, I never did like Saddam Hussein and I was always told he
was a liar and a tyrant, and I believed it. I was told that he was a
bad man. I studied the WMD evidence, the Dujail trial, and the evidence
at Halabja and was expecting a lot more to come of something that could
justify my hatred of this person. Sadly, with all the facts at our
disposal now, I have no rational option but to pen this eulogy to one
of the greatest Arabs, Saddam Hussein Al-Majid Al-Tikriti Al-Iraqi -
the Lion of Baghdad and the Pride of Mesopotamia and Arabia.

Every person I spoke to today, Muslim or Christian, devout or atheist,
was seething with hidden rage at the timing, the pending trials, the
tawdry execution.

Iraq Under Saddam, and the subsequent Rape of Iraq

Iraq bloomed under him - his Ba'ath party was more Shia than Sunni.
Under him, Iraq was secular, with universal free education, resulting
in the highest literacy rate with women at par with men. He
commissioned sciences, museums and construction of buildings and
monuments that reflected the new glory of Mesopotamia. Universal
healthcare, pensions, and jobs for everyone. Did he hoard money for
himself? I have yet to see the proof. The proof on the other side: had
he been a spoilt coward, he would have gone into exile with his
supposed billions when he was repeatedly offered it, and so would his
sons. Do spoilt playboys fight to the last breath, even his teenage
grandson?

Iraq should have been encouraged to move to democracy, instead of the
unprecedented bloodshed, torture and suffering that has been inflicted
on the people of the Iraq by the U.S. The wiping out of intellectuals,
academics, libraries, museums and culture is unprecedented in modern
history and evoked memories of Hulagu Khan. So much for civilization.
So much for democracy. So much for human rights. So much for
professional soldiers who rape, torture and kill civilians, in the
hundreds of thousands, orders of magnitude more than what Saddam did
while keeping his country together, literate and well-fed.

Even Hulagu had some scruples: the Mongols rolled the caliph up in a
rug, and rode their horses over him, as they believed that the earth
was offended if touched by royal blood. All of his sons but one were
killed. (Wikipedia).

Saddam Killed Many

Saddam Hussein sent many people to their deaths, so says Bush, and Bush
is an honourable man. So has George Bush, and so has every leader since
time immemorial. Would the families of the executed hate him? Of
course. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. So what? How many
Confederate families hated Abraham Lincoln when he put down a
foreign-financed rebellion in the southern part of his country with
brute force, killing their loved ones. But Saddam was a bad man. So
sayeth Bush, and Bush is an honourable man.

There is more torture and mayhem in Iraq now, and Saddam's
heavy-handedness has been justified, not on the absolute scale, but the
relative scale (compare Putin's actions in Chechnya).

Saddam and the Shia Clergy

The United States egged him on against Iran, almost forcing his hand.
When he did, Iran tried to destabilize him using its Shia clergy
connections. He had the conspirators executed. So did Musharraf. Such
is statecraft and we all live with it. The subtle duplicity of the
media in this is appalling.

The Dujail Trial

Saddam's convoy was attacked in Dujail. He ordered an investigation and
duly constituted judges pronounced death on the attackers and their
supporters. During his trial, he was personally exonerated. His actions
were in his official capacity as head of state - he did not shoot
someone with a revolver in his office. His trial was conducted under
new laws invented by the Americans, the same set of laws that give
immunity to U.S. soldiers from prosecution in Iraq.

Halabja

In my opinion, he was executed quickly so as to stop the collection of
evidence in the Halabja trials, which were next. The evidence in the
Harvard archives is very flimsy, if at all credible. It was the middle
of a war, with border parties switching allegiances and both parties
using chemical weapons.

Saddam's Legacy

Saddam was a brutal dictator, but no better or no worse than the many
others supported by the United States. Open the files on Anwar Sadat,
Hosni Mubarak, the Jordanian Kings, Musharraf, Zia-ul-Haq, Niyazov,
Putin, Karimov, and many many others.

As a secular Arab, he despised the religious fundamentalists, and
provided his people with a higher standard of living and access to
progress than any one of the Arab states around him. As a
street-fighter, he had the smarts and the bravery of someone who has
faced death many times.

Once he found out the game of the U.S. in the Middle East, he refused
to play along, sacrificing himself instead of his country and his
nation. For this, he was executed, and for precisely this, he will be
remembered for time immemorial. Long after Bush and Blair are shameful
footnotes of history, Saddam Hussein will be remembered as the lion
that rose from Tikrit, the land of Salahuddin. Yes, the same Saladin,
the Crusaders' nightmare. And that land will produce more like them.

Like him or hate him, he continued the independence of Iraqis, and the
legacy that it will not be colonized, or neo-colonized like other Arab
states. Even those who hated him want the Americans to leave, and the
Palestinians to prosper. That is his legacy.

May Allah forgive his sins and excesses, and may his soul rest in
peace.

She (Queen of Sheba) said, 'When kings enter a city, they lay waste to
it and make its mightiest inhabitants the most abased. That is what
they too will do.' (Al-Quran 27:34)



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:01:40 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.politics.republicans,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
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Dana wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1167668926.851200.134700@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > James Fenimore wrote:
> > > As your White House war criminal slinks from his "diplomatic" DEFEAT in
> > > his limp-wristed attempt to bully North Korea into giving up its
> > > nuclear intentions, we'll now see more sure-to-fail efforts to make
> > > Iran back down on its nuclear threats.
> > >
> > > Instead of pressuring ISRAEL into either reaching agreements with its
> > > Arabic/Islamic foes
> >
> > Israel has no choice but to make peace with its Arab neighbors or die.
>
> Israel has beat every Arab neighbor that has attacked Israel.
> It is the Arab Neighbors that need to die.
>
> > besides, Israel cannot possibly exist without its Arab neighbors,
> > unless United States want to continue pumping zillions of taxpayer
> > dollars into the fascist staTE OF iSRAEL..
>
> Israel like the rest of the world, would be better off without the radical
> muslim neighbors like Syria.
IF YOU THINK THAT SYRIA IS RADICAL WAIT TILL YOU MEET ADOLF SHARON



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:01:40 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: SADAM TOLD THE TRUTH; GEORGE BUSH LIED !
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George wrote:
> "Joe Sterling"  wrote in message
> news:1167456670.235696.62650@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > George wrote:
> >>  wrote in message
> >> news:1167455306.695495.183060@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Think about it. It was the Bush administration and not Saddam that
> >> > turned out to be lying about WMDs. As we all know now, there weren't
> >> > any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Amazingly enough, it was
> >> > Saddam who was telling the truth from the very beginning. Bush was the
> >> > one who lied to the whole world.
> >>
> >> Actually, there were WMDs in Iraq, as the inspectors discovered after
> >> the
> >> first Gulf War.  Perhaps if he had cooperated better, none of this would
> >> have happened.  Having said that, all of this WMD argument is irrelevant
> >> to
> >> the fact that Saddam Hussein was found guilty of mass murder and was
> >> executed for those crimes.
> >>
> >> George
> >
> > The point was there were no WMDs as Bush claimed in order to justify
> > the invasion.
>
> That is irrelevant to the fact that Saddam Hussein was tried and convicted
> (and executed) for mass murder.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT SHARON, GEORGE BUSH CHENEY AND OLMERT WILL ALSO BE
STRETCHED ON A ROPE?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:01:47 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: "PALESTINE" - Never an Arab Country www.proisraelforever.com
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>
> You can tell these bigoted anti-semites the truth many times over, but
> they will continually spew crap.
>
> They are hopeless trolls of the newsgroup circuit.
>
> Shalom,
> Ephraim
THE ONLY SEMITES ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH ARE ARABS

YOU WANT TO PASS YOURSELF OFF AS A SEMITE, BUT YOU ARE NOT, BY ANY
STRATCH OF IMAGINATION.

THEREFORE BEING AN ANTI SEMITE SIMPLY MEANS BEING ANTI-ARAB



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Subject: Re: ADL: Carter crossed line in citing stale canard about Jews
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ADL Reporter wrote:
> http://antidefamationleague.us/

NEXT THING YOU WILL BE TRYING TO TELL US THAT DOV ZAKHEIM, THE ENGINEER
OF 911 IS A BUDDHIST!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Canada probing abuse claims of asylum seekers from Israel
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Zionism is a cancer wrote:
> Canada probing abuse claims of asylum seekers from Israel
>
> 31/12/2006 - Ha'aretz
>
> By Ruth Sinai, Haaretz Correspondent
>
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/807457.html
>
> Canada's Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) has asked Israel's
> National Council for the Child for information on immigrant children in
> Israel. Canadian authorities want to know whether immigrant children in
> Israel are being harassed or abused, in order to evaluate political
> asylum cases.
>
> In 2005, 679 Israeli citizens sought asylum abroad, mainly in Canada.
> Some 200 requests were approved, mainly of citizens of the former
> Soviet Union who came to Israel but left claiming they were persecuted,
> because of their origin or religion.
>
> In a letter last month, the IRB asked the council whether it could
> provide examples of mistreatment of immigrant children; whether
> children of immigrants from the former Soviet Union were subject to
> harm at school or violence in their neighborhoods, and whether certain
> groups of immigrant children were more at risk of abuse than others.
> The Canadian authorities also sought to understand how the Israeli
> government has been responding to reports of abuse of immigrant
> children, and how effective their response has been thus far.
>
> The head of the Council for the Child, Dr. Yitzhak Kadman, said in
> response that official bodies do not have clear policies that put
> immigrant children at a disadvantage, but that these children encounter
> problems typical of an immigrant population. For example, the number of
>  immigrant children involved in crime and substance abuse is
> proportionally high, and investment in education and welfare programs
> to deal with these crises is insufficient.
>
> Kadman further responded that immigrant children are not particular
> victims of violence or abuse in the schools. With regard to immigrant
> children as an at-risk group, he reported that children from the
> Central Asian republics have had an especially hard time adjusting, as
> do children arriving in Israel on tourist visas who do not have legal
> residency in Israel.

That figures! Israel sells billions of dollars of Ecstasy to the
world's children and they accuse the immigrant children, in Israel  of
"substance abuse". Scum!

If they treat their own Jews in this way can you imagine how they treat
the Palestinian children!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
> Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_antisemitism
>
> Edward I expelled all the Jews from England in 1290 (only after
> ransoming some 3,000 among the most wealthy of them), on the
> accusation of usury and undermining loyalty to the dynasty.
>
>
> -----
> Yang
> a.a. #28
> AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
> a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
> EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
>
> The Bush 'balanced' budget:	        -2 trillion and worsening
> The Bush 'economic' policy:		12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
> The Bush Iraq lie:			-3004 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
>
> Having Bush fuck up my country:	        Worthless
>
>
> newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
> in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's bullshit:
>
> rec.art.scifi.written
> sci.archaeology
> soc.history.what-if

REALLY? USURY? nO, I COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT JEWS ARE USURERS, COULD
YOU? MAYBE SHYLOCK WAS JUST AN EXCEPTION



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: I am going to lebanon
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Tilly wrote:
> Salah Jafar wrote:
> > I am leaving Friday to Lebanon to participate in the glorious
> > demonstration against the Illegal Government of Agent Saniora. Yochi,
> > find yourself another Humus dick to chew on for one week
> > SJ
>
>
> I suggest you stay there permanently.
> I guessed correctly that you are Lebanese.

And what possible diff would it make to you fat bitch who he is? Are
you in love with Salah? I know that some 100 Jewish women in Israel did
marry Arabs, for a very good reason. Is that what you are looking for?
For an Arab to show you the life?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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All the Nazi camps in the East were operated by Jews themselves. Warsaw
ghetto for one was guarded and administered by the jewish
Ordnungspolizei SS, and nobody else. Germans seldom ventured into the
camps such as Aushwitz or Treblinka. All the killing, was done by Jews
themselves. Ordnungspolizei SS when it was formed had about 10,000,
uniformed jewish police, fully armed and indoctrinated by the Nazis.



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Israel's Bad Influence

by Charley Reese
Scott Ritter, a former U.N. arms inspector in Iraq, has written a book,
Target Iran, in which he accuses the Israeli government and its
American lobby of pushing the U.S. into attacking Iran.

Ritter writes, "Let there be no doubt: If there is an American war with
Iran, it is a war that was made in Israel." He accuses some members of
the lobby of dual loyalty and urges that the American Israel Public
Affairs Committee be required to register as a foreign agent.

He also blasts the Israeli lobby for its use of the Holocaust and for
crying anti-Semite every time Israel is criticized. "This is a
sickening trend that must be ended," he writes.

By coincidence, an Israeli general has verified everything Ritter says.
According to an article published in Today.az on Jan. 2, Israeli Brig.
Gen. Oded Tira published a statement urging an all-out effort by Israel
and its lobby to push a U.S. attack on Iran.

"President Bush lacks the political power to attack Iran," the general
is quoted as saying. "As an American strike in Iran is essential for
our existence, we must help him pave the way by lobbying the Democratic
Party (which is conducting itself foolishly) and U.S. newspaper
editors. We need to do this in order to turn the Iran issue to a
bipartisan one and unrelated to the Iraq failure."

The general urges the Israeli lobby to turn to Hillary Clinton and
other potential presidential candidates in the Democratic Party so that
they support immediate action by Bush against Iran. The lobby must also
approach the Europeans, he adds, so Bush won't find himself isolated,
and he calls for Israel to "clandestinely cooperate with Saudi Arabia
so that it also persuades the U.S. to strike Iran."

As Ritter says, a U.S. war in Iran will be a war made in Israel.

Of course, Israel's American supporters, most of whom are ignorant of
nuclear energy, ignorant of the history of Israel and ignorant of the
people in the Middle East, will trot out their usual specious
arguments.

But let's lay out the undeniable facts. Israel considers Iran its main
threat. Israel wants a U.S. attack against Iran. The Israeli lobby does
what the Israeli government tells it to do. Anybody who claims the
Israeli lobby is just another lobby is either ignorant or lying. The
Israeli lobby is the second most, if not the most, powerful lobby in
America.

So, sit back and watch the Israeli amen corner start the propaganda to
push America to war with Iran just as it did in the case of Iraq. It
will try to have you believe that Iran can make nuclear weapons as
easily as baking cakes. The truth is that even if Iran decided to seek
nuclear weapons, the Iranians are a good 10 years away from having any.
The truth is that Iran, even if it had nuclear weapons, is no threat to
the U.S.

All of which reminds me of my favorite undiplomatic comment by a
diplomat. Some time ago at a private party in London, the French
ambassador said of Israel, "Why does the world put up with such a
sh*tty little country causing so much trouble?" Outraged British
Zionists demanded his recall, but the French government ignored them.

Sooner or later, Americans are going to wake up to the fact that
Israel's influence on the American government is detrimental. If Israel
wants a war with Iran, let the Israelis fight it. Of course, seeing how
poorly they did against Hezbollah, I suspect that the Israelis, despite
their public threats, would not choose to fight the Iranians.

In my opinion, Americans who want American youth to die and bleed for
the benefit of a foreign country are guilty of more than dual loyalty.


http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=10276



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:02:06 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.egyptian
Subject: Re: Arabs want more Americans AND Jews dead Re: JEWS WANT MORE AMERICANS DEAD!
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jgarbuz wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Israel's Bad Influence
> >
> > by Charley Reese
> > Scott Ritter, a former U.N. arms inspector in Iraq, has written a book,
> > Target Iran, in which he accuses the Israeli government and its
> > American lobby of pushing the U.S. into attacking Iran.
> >
> > Ritter writes, "Let there be no doubt: If there is an American war with
> > Iran, it is a war that was made in Israel." He accuses some members of
> > the lobby of dual loyalty and urges that the American Israel Public
> > Affairs Committee be required to register as a foreign agent.<
>
> So Scott RItter does not believe in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation
> Treaty, and believes that signatories can sign and then break the
> treaty at will with no consequences. So perhaps e he won't mind if more
> countries, such as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, perhaps Venezuela and others go
>  nuclear later on, seeing as there is no consequences to breaking the
> NPT.

SINCE NON PROLIFERATION TREATY APPLIES TO ALL COUNTRIES EXCEPT ISRAEL,
IT IS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT IS WRITTEN UPON.  MANY ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
ARE ALREADY ARMED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AND IT IS ONLY SHORT TIME AHEAD
BEFORE ALL ARAB COUNTRIES BECOME NUCLEAR POWERS. WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS
NUCLEAR FREE MIDDLE EAST!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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White House Postponing Loss of Iraq, Biden Says
Glenn Kessler, Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, January 5, 2007; A06

Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.), chairman of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, said yesterday that he believes top officials in
the Bush administration have privately concluded they have lost Iraq
and are simply trying to postpone disaster so the next president will
"be the guy landing helicopters inside the Green Zone, taking people
off the roof," in a chaotic withdrawal reminiscent of Vietnam.

"I have reached the tentative conclusion that a significant portion of
this administration, maybe even including the vice president, believes
Iraq is lost," Biden said. "They have no answer to deal with how badly
they have screwed it up. I am not being facetious now. Therefore, the
best thing to do is keep it from totally collapsing on your watch and
hand it off to the next guy -- literally, not figuratively."

Biden gave the comments in an interview as he outlined an ambitious
agenda for the committee, including holding four weeks of hearings
focused on every aspect of U.S. policy in Iraq. The hearings will call
top political, economic and intelligence experts; foreign diplomats;
and former and current senior U.S. officials to examine the situation
in Iraq and possible plans for dealing with it. Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice will probably testify next Thursday to defend the
president's new plan, but at least eight other plans will be examined
over several sessions of the committee.

Other witnesses invited for at least 10 days of hearings include former
national security advisers and secretaries of state, including Brent
Scowcroft, Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry A.
Kissinger, Madeleine K. Albright and George P. Shultz.

Biden expressed opposition to the president's plan for a "surge" of
additional U.S. troops and said he has grave doubts about whether the
Iraqi government has the will or the capacity to help implement a new
approach. He said he hopes to use the hearings to "illuminate the
alternatives available to this president" and to provide a platform for
influencing Americans, especially Republican lawmakers.

"There is nothing a United States Senate can do to stop a president
>from conducting his war," Biden said. "The only thing that is going to
change the president's mind, if he continues on a course that is
counterproductive, is having his party walk away from his position."

Biden said that Vice President Cheney and former defense secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld "are really smart guys who made a very, very, very,
very bad bet, and it blew up in their faces. Now, what do they do with
it? I think they have concluded they can't fix it, so how do you keep
it stitched together without it completely unraveling?"



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:02:25 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Well Done wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote:
> >dollars into the fascist staTE OF iSRAEL..
> >
> Your problem with capitals is only one indication of your insanity.
> There are plenty of others.  You're a lefty moron.  Condolences.

And your problem is that you have a closed mind and cannot compare the
Zionist frascism
with that of Hitler. ONE AND THE SAME

Being a lofty idiot yourself it is hard to reach your stup[id schnoozle



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From: "Venceremos" 
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BernardZ wrote:
> > IN ORDER TO COVER UP THE BIGGEST MASS MURDER OF 20TH CENTURY, JEWISH
> > SLAUGHTER OF 100 MILLION RUSSIANS, JEWS ARE PEDDLING THE HOLOFUCKS
> >
>
>
> When the communist started killing, among the first group to run for
> their lives were Jews.
 JEWS KILLING JEWS?  IT ONLY HAPPENED IN WARSAW AND AUSCHWITZ!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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  THREATENING AGAIN YOU FUCKING BASTARD MCVAY



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Ed wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1168393989.075429.326470@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Joe Bruno wrote:
> >> The Re'vvrdd wrote:
> >> > On 9 Jan 2007 03:25:38 -0800, "Chris C. Larson"
> >
> >> Tell us about your military service, big mouth.
> >
> > I AM VERY PROUD OF MY MILITARY SERVICE, BUT I AM NOT ABOUT TO RECITE IT
> > TO A FUCKING COWARDLY JEW
>
> Why not?
>
> Oh, never mind.... I already know why.  Because there's nothing to recite.

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR SERVICE AS A PAWN SHOP SHYLOCK!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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  The stupid surge will just exacerbate the situation.


W has managed to make both sects hate the US infidels. Of course he
would inevitably alienate everyone. W has been play-acting his role as
the US "war-time president", with "Crusades" against those who are
against us, in his insane "GWOT", acting as his motivation. W has
started a preemptive war with dangerous people in a dangerous part of
the world-therefore it was just a matter of time before the occupied
people would begin to hate the occupiers.

General Wesley Clark the Supreme Allied Commander during the war in
Kosovo, fashioned the Dayton peace plan while holding together the
alliance of 19 nations, and isolating Milosevic from his allies. He
knows what he is talking about regarding war-making and maintaining
coalitions and in the article "The Smart Surge: Diplomacy" at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/07/AR2007010700980_pf.html
he writes "The odds are that this week President Bush will announce a
"surge" of up to 20,000 additional U.S. troops into Iraq. Will this
deliver a "win"? Probably not. But it will distract us from facing the
deep-seated regional issues that must be resolved.
The administration views a troop surge of modest size as virtually the
only remaining action in Iraq that would be a visible signal of
determination. More economic assistance is likely to be touted, but
absent a change in the pattern of violence, infrastructure enhancement
simply isn't practical....
Some initial successes would be evident. But how significant would this
be? We've never had enough troops in Iraq. In Kosovo, we had 40,000
troops for a population of 2 million. That ratio would call for at
least 500,000 troops in Iraq; adding 20,000 now seems too little, too
late."

Remember that within W's surge option is the 80% solution that has one
goal that of helping the Iraqi Shiites exterminate the Iraqi Sunnis as
detailed in the November 29, 2006 article "THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ; Bush
Adviser's Memo Cites Doubts About Iraqi Leader" at
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60B13FA3A5A0C7A8EDDA80994DE40482.

Let's get one thing perfectly clear--W's national security adviser,
Stephen J Hadley's memo referred to above wasn't accidentally lost, it
was intentionally leaked months ago to provide coverage for W's surge
insanity and to nullify any thoughts that W has been asleep at the
switch for all this time after the "Mission Accomplished" farce!

The document contradicts W's stooge, Baker's Iraq Study Group's
recommendation thus muddying the water regarding the Iraq Exit Strategy
and can be summarized as:
Strike one--Maliki doesn't have capacity to control sects, even
including his own Shiites
Strike two- it calls for US a "surge" to Baghdad to make up for
shortage of Iraqi force
Strike three-you're-out--Maliki is Sadr's stooge and is willing to
exterminate every last Sunni for sectarian Shiite advantage.

Can't anyone remember the recent, failed "Operation Together Forward"
which is identical to W's unannounced as yet, but known by everyone,
surge, which is yet another example of W leaking information that is
favorable to his failed ideas?

So, you'd think that the Shiites would be ecstatic about being the
favored group, but even here W fails as detailed in the article "For
Iraq's Shiites, a Dream Deferred Breeds Mistrust of U.S." at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100912.html.
These Shiites are very duplicitous as exemplified by "Hasan Suneid, a
member of the Shiite Dawa party and a close aide to Maliki's remark "It
means the base of their thinking is not stable," he said, referring to
the Americans. "They are going to lose the Shiites. And they won't win
the Sunnis back, because they attacked them at the beginning. So now
both sides will lose confidence in the United States."

Don't these accurate quotes amount to a death knell for the US military
and the Sunnis? The US is clearly following Maliki's orders, not their
own military, to the detriment of the Sunnis and "That worries Sunni
leaders. "The U.S. needs to send a clear message: We will act toward
Iraqis in a fair and equal way," said Ayad al-Sammarae, a prominent
Sunni politician. "We can't punish one criminal and forgive another."
In October, in the government's strongest assertion of sovereignty yet,
Maliki ordered U.S. forces to lift a blockade of Sadr City, the huge
Shiite slum in Baghdad. For everyday Shiites, it was another turning
point in their relationship with their liberators. "This is the first
time he has stood up to the occupiers," Abdul Amir Ali said with pride.
"It was like a victory for us when the Americans obeyed Maliki."

W's stupid surge is dependent upon Maliki cooperating. Why would he?
During the recent "Operation Together Forward" Maliki was in the US
being escorted around by W and Maliki said he wouldn't do anything
against Sadr because he considered the operation to be only political
cover for W's GOP in the upcoming election. As far as Maliki is
concerned what has changed? Nothing and he has go on the record to say
he hates his position and won't consider running again. What motivation
could he possibly have to cooperate with big bro 43? According to
Maliki's own remarks he'd appreciate a bloodless coup, which Hadley's
memo suggests will happen if Maliki doesn't shape up.

The sectarian Shiite advantage is very similar to the partisan GOP
advantage. The Shiite policies eradicate the Sunni 20% instantaneously,
while W's GOP policies only benefit the top 1% and are so destructive
to the remaining 99% that a quick death seems preferable.

What could a rational person expect? Another Washington Post article
"Irrational Is as Irrational Does" at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010800237_pf.html
makes it clear that W is irrational, and has been for years, as he
writes "Let me explain. In Iowa, during the 2000 presidential campaign,
Bush answered a question about why he so ardently supported capital
punishment. He offered a number of reasons, but one - deterrence -
prompted me to raise my hand and ask a follow-up: But, sir, there is
absolutely no evidence that capital punishment is a deterrent. To my
astonishment, Bush conceded my point: "You're right. I can't prove it.
But neither can the other side prove it's not."
Ponder that answer for a while. What it means is not just that Bush
embraced a famously irrational way of thinking - the logical fallacy
often called "proving a negative" - but in this case he used it to
overwhelm all evidence to the contrary. Once you know this, you can
appreciate what Bush means when he calls himself The Decider. It means
that evidence, arguments, proof and logic cannot be conclusive when, as
is often the case, the president proceeds on what can be called a
matter of faith."

The Decider is irrational and only that explains his surge.


Related articles :

THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ; Bush Adviser's Memo Cites Doubts About Iraqi
Leader at
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60B13FA3A5A0C7A8EDDA80994DE404482

For Iraq's Shiites, a Dream Deferred Breeds Mistrust of U.S. at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100912.html


The Smart Surge: Diplomacy at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/07/AR2007010700980_pf.html

Irrational Is as Irrational Does at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010800237_pf.html



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:02:27 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: NOBODY IS AS HATED IN THE WORLD TODAY AS THE JEWS AND USA ARE!
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The stupid surge will just exacerbate the situation.


W has managed to make both sects hate the US infidels. Of course he
would inevitably alienate everyone. W has been play-acting his role as
the US "war-time president", with "Crusades" against those who are
against us, in his insane "GWOT", acting as his motivation. W has
started a preemptive war with dangerous people in a dangerous part of
the world-therefore it was just a matter of time before the occupied
people would begin to hate the occupiers.

General Wesley Clark the Supreme Allied Commander during the war in
Kosovo, fashioned the Dayton peace plan while holding together the
alliance of 19 nations, and isolating Milosevic from his allies. He
knows what he is talking about regarding war-making and maintaining
coalitions and in the article "The Smart Surge: Diplomacy" at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/07/AR2007010700980_pf.html
he writes "The odds are that this week President Bush will announce a
"surge" of up to 20,000 additional U.S. troops into Iraq. Will this
deliver a "win"? Probably not. But it will distract us from facing the
deep-seated regional issues that must be resolved.
The administration views a troop surge of modest size as virtually the
only remaining action in Iraq that would be a visible signal of
determination. More economic assistance is likely to be touted, but
absent a change in the pattern of violence, infrastructure enhancement
simply isn't practical....
Some initial successes would be evident. But how significant would this
be? We've never had enough troops in Iraq. In Kosovo, we had 40,000
troops for a population of 2 million. That ratio would call for at
least 500,000 troops in Iraq; adding 20,000 now seems too little, too
late."

Remember that within W's surge option is the 80% solution that has one
goal that of helping the Iraqi Shiites exterminate the Iraqi Sunnis as
detailed in the November 29, 2006 article "THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ; Bush
Adviser's Memo Cites Doubts About Iraqi Leader" at
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60B13FA3A5A0C7A8EDDA80994DE40482.

Let's get one thing perfectly clear--W's national security adviser,
Stephen J Hadley's memo referred to above wasn't accidentally lost, it
was intentionally leaked months ago to provide coverage for W's surge
insanity and to nullify any thoughts that W has been asleep at the
switch for all this time after the "Mission Accomplished" farce!

The document contradicts W's stooge, Baker's Iraq Study Group's
recommendation thus muddying the water regarding the Iraq Exit Strategy
and can be summarized as:
Strike one--Maliki doesn't have capacity to control sects, even
including his own Shiites
Strike two- it calls for US a "surge" to Baghdad to make up for
shortage of Iraqi force
Strike three-you're-out--Maliki is Sadr's stooge and is willing to
exterminate every last Sunni for sectarian Shiite advantage.

Can't anyone remember the recent, failed "Operation Together Forward"
which is identical to W's unannounced as yet, but known by everyone,
surge, which is yet another example of W leaking information that is
favorable to his failed ideas?

So, you'd think that the Shiites would be ecstatic about being the
favored group, but even here W fails as detailed in the article "For
Iraq's Shiites, a Dream Deferred Breeds Mistrust of U.S." at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100912.html.
These Shiites are very duplicitous as exemplified by "Hasan Suneid, a
member of the Shiite Dawa party and a close aide to Maliki's remark "It
means the base of their thinking is not stable," he said, referring to
the Americans. "They are going to lose the Shiites. And they won't win
the Sunnis back, because they attacked them at the beginning. So now
both sides will lose confidence in the United States."

Don't these accurate quotes amount to a death knell for the US military
and the Sunnis? The US is clearly following Maliki's orders, not their
own military, to the detriment of the Sunnis and "That worries Sunni
leaders. "The U.S. needs to send a clear message: We will act toward
Iraqis in a fair and equal way," said Ayad al-Sammarae, a prominent
Sunni politician. "We can't punish one criminal and forgive another."
In October, in the government's strongest assertion of sovereignty yet,
Maliki ordered U.S. forces to lift a blockade of Sadr City, the huge
Shiite slum in Baghdad. For everyday Shiites, it was another turning
point in their relationship with their liberators. "This is the first
time he has stood up to the occupiers," Abdul Amir Ali said with pride.
"It was like a victory for us when the Americans obeyed Maliki."

W's stupid surge is dependent upon Maliki cooperating. Why would he?
During the recent "Operation Together Forward" Maliki was in the US
being escorted around by W and Maliki said he wouldn't do anything
against Sadr because he considered the operation to be only political
cover for W's GOP in the upcoming election. As far as Maliki is
concerned what has changed? Nothing and he has go on the record to say
he hates his position and won't consider running again. What motivation
could he possibly have to cooperate with big bro 43? According to
Maliki's own remarks he'd appreciate a bloodless coup, which Hadley's
memo suggests will happen if Maliki doesn't shape up.

The sectarian Shiite advantage is very similar to the partisan GOP
advantage. The Shiite policies eradicate the Sunni 20% instantaneously,
while W's GOP policies only benefit the top 1% and are so destructive
to the remaining 99% that a quick death seems preferable.

What could a rational person expect? Another Washington Post article
"Irrational Is as Irrational Does" at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010800237_pf.html
makes it clear that W is irrational, and has been for years, as he
writes "Let me explain. In Iowa, during the 2000 presidential campaign,
Bush answered a question about why he so ardently supported capital
punishment. He offered a number of reasons, but one - deterrence -
prompted me to raise my hand and ask a follow-up: But, sir, there is
absolutely no evidence that capital punishment is a deterrent. To my
astonishment, Bush conceded my point: "You're right. I can't prove it.
But neither can the other side prove it's not."
Ponder that answer for a while. What it means is not just that Bush
embraced a famously irrational way of thinking - the logical fallacy
often called "proving a negative" - but in this case he used it to
overwhelm all evidence to the contrary. Once you know this, you can
appreciate what Bush means when he calls himself The Decider. It means
that evidence, arguments, proof and logic cannot be conclusive when, as
is often the case, the president proceeds on what can be called a
matter of faith."

The Decider is irrational and only that explains his surge.


Related articles :

THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ; Bush Adviser's Memo Cites Doubts About Iraqi
Leader at
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60B13FA3A5A0C7A8EDDA80994DE404482

For Iraq's Shiites, a Dream Deferred Breeds Mistrust of U.S. at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100912.html


The Smart Surge: Diplomacy at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/07/AR2007010700980_pf.html

Irrational Is as Irrational Does at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010800237_pf.html



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:02:41 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
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captain. wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1168612748.700336.174030@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > YOU MUST BE BLIND, STUPID OR BOTH IF YOU DO NOT SEE DOZENS OF HISPANIC
> > CONGRESSMEN AND ELECTED OFFICIAL AND NOT JUST IN MIAMI
> >
>
> nice that you had no answer for my pointing out to you that the majority of
> hispanics in the usa are from north america.
>
> owned.
For you info you stupid uneducated fool, more than 270 million
Hispanics do live in North America that is Mexico Guatemala, Nicaragua,
Panama, etc.. In fact US citizens are the minority in North America
since it also includes such places as Canada



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:02:41 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: 'Palestinians have a moral right to terrorism' - Professor Ted Honderich
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Tilly wrote:
> torresD wrote:
> > http://education.independent.co.uk/higher/article1946237.ece
> > Professor Ted Honderich: 'Palestinians have a moral right to
> > terrorism'
>
> And Israelis have a moral right to respond to terrorism?
ISRAEL DOES NOT EXIST, OCCUPIED PALESTINE DOES!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:02:42 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Resignations intensify focus on President Carter's Book
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Cazador wrote:
> Cazador wrote:
> > Carter Center Advisers Quit to Protest Book
> > E-Mail
> > Print
> > Reprints
> > Save
> > Share
> >
> > By BRENDA GOODMAN
> > Published: January 12, 2007
> > ATLANTA, Jan. 11 - Fourteen of the city's business and civic
> > leaders resigned from the Carter Center's advisory board on Thursday
> > to protest former President Jimmy Carter's recent criticisms of
> > Israel and American Jewish political power.
> >
> > Their joint letter of resignation denounced Mr. Carter's best-selling
> > book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," for its criticisms of
> > Israel's treatment of Palestinians. The letter also took issue with
> > comments Mr. Carter has made suggesting that Israel's supporters in
> > the United States are using their power to stifle debate on the issue.
> >
> > "It seems you have turned to a world of advocacy, even malicious
> > advocacy," the letter said. "We can no longer endorse your strident
> > and uncompromising position. This is not the Carter Center or the Jimmy
> > Carter we came to respect and support."
> >
> > The 14 who resigned were members of the center's board of councilors,
> > a group of more than 200 local leaders who act as ambassadors and
> > fund-raisers for the center but do not determine its policy or direct
> > its operations.
> >
> > Among the letter signers were Michael Coles, the chief executive of the
> > Caribou Coffee Company; William B. Schwartz Jr., the ambassador to the
> > Bahamas during Mr. Carter's presidency; Liane Levetan, a former chief
> > executive of DeKalb County, Ga.; and S. Stephen Selig III, who served
> > as national finance chairman for the Carter-Mondale Presidential
> > Committee.
> >
> > "I felt very passionate about this," Ms. Levetan said. "You
> > can't, when something is not correct, sit back. You have to stand up
> > for what you believe."
> >
> > Several members said they had admired Mr. Carter for years and found it
> > difficult to resign, but could not remain associated with his recent
> > statements.
> >
> > "I was very offended with the views that he espoused in that book,"
> > said Jonathan Golden, a board member for 10 years and chairman of the
> > Arnall Golden Gregory law firm in Atlanta.
> >
> > In an e-mailed statement responding to the resignations, John Hardman,
> > executive director of the Carter Center, thanked the resigning members
> > for their "years of service and support," but also played down the
> > significance of their departure. Mr. Hardman pointed out that those who
> > resigned were just a fraction of the overall board and were not
> > "engaged in implementing the work of the center."
> >
> > The resignations are the latest in a recent string of public defections
> > from Mr. Carter and the ideas he espouses in his book, which has been
> > on The New York Times best-seller list for the last five weeks.
> >
> > In December, Kenneth W. Stein, a professor at Emory University who was
> > the first executive director at the Carter Center, resigned his most
> > recent position as a fellow there. Days later, Dennis Ross, a former
> > envoy to the Middle East who is now a news analyst, accused Mr. Carter
> > of using maps that Mr. Ross created without his permission, and
> > mislabeling them in the book.
> >
> > The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith recently placed
> > advertisements criticizing Mr. Carter in several major newspapers, and
> > the Central Conference of American Rabbis, representing Reform Judaism,
> > announced that its members would not visit the Carter Center, as
> > planned, during a coming conference in Atlanta.
> >
> > Mr. Carter has defended his views, along with his use of the word
> > "apartheid" in the book's title, saying he intended the book to
> > spark discussion.
> >
> > The letter from resigning board members accuses Mr. Carter of having
> > abandoned his role as a peace broker in the Middle East, and said his
> > statements had proven useful to white supremacists and other
> > anti-Semites.
> >
> > "In its work in conflict resolution, the Carter Center has always
> > played the useful and constructive role of honest broker and mediator
> > between warring parties," the letter says. "In your book, which
> > portrays the conflict between Israel and her neighbors as a purely
> > one-sided affair with Israel holding all of the responsibility for
> > resolving the conflict, you have clearly abandoned your historic role
> > of broker in favor of becoming an advocate for one side."
> >
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> Carter Center Advisers Quit to Protest Book
> E-Mail
> Print
> Reprints
> Save
> Share
>
> By BRENDA GOODMAN
> Published: January 12, 2007
> ATLANTA, Jan. 11 - Fourteen of the city's business and civic
> leaders resigned from the Carter Center's advisory board on Thursday
> to protest former President Jimmy Carter's recent criticisms of
> Israel and American Jewish political power.
>
> Their joint letter of resignation denounced Mr. Carter's best-selling
> book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," for its criticisms of
> Israel's treatment of Palestinians. The letter also took issue with
> comments Mr. Carter has made suggesting that Israel's supporters in
> the United States are using their power to stifle debate on the issue.
>
> "It seems you have turned to a world of advocacy, even malicious
> advocacy," the letter said. "We can no longer endorse your strident
> and uncompromising position. This is not the Carter Center or the Jimmy
> Carter we came to respect and support."
>
> The 14 who resigned were members of the center's board of councilors,
> a group of more than 200 local leaders who act as ambassadors and
> fund-raisers for the center but do not determine its policy or direct
> its operations.
>
> Among the letter signers were Michael Coles, the chief executive of the
> Caribou Coffee Company; William B. Schwartz Jr., the ambassador to the
> Bahamas during Mr. Carter's presidency; Liane Levetan, a former chief
> executive of DeKalb County, Ga.; and S. Stephen Selig III, who served
> as national finance chairman for the Carter-Mondale Presidential
> Committee.
>
> "I felt very passionate about this," Ms. Levetan said. "You
> can't, when something is not correct, sit back. You have to stand up
> for what you believe."
>
> Several members said they had admired Mr. Carter for years and found it
> difficult to resign, but could not remain associated with his recent
> statements.
>
> "I was very offended with the views that he espoused in that book,"
> said Jonathan Golden, a board member for 10 years and chairman of the
> Arnall Golden Gregory law firm in Atlanta.
>
> In an e-mailed statement responding to the resignations, John Hardman,
> executive director of the Carter Center, thanked the resigning members
> for their "years of service and support," but also played down the
> significance of their departure. Mr. Hardman pointed out that those who
> resigned were just a fraction of the overall board and were not
> "engaged in implementing the work of the center."
>
> The resignations are the latest in a recent string of public defections
> from Mr. Carter and the ideas he espouses in his book, which has been
> on The New York Times best-seller list for the last five weeks.
>
> In December, Kenneth W. Stein, a professor at Emory University who was
> the first executive director at the Carter Center, resigned his most
> recent position as a fellow there. Days later, Dennis Ross, a former
> envoy to the Middle East who is now a news analyst, accused Mr. Carter
> of using maps that Mr. Ross created without his permission, and
> mislabeling them in the book.
>
> The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith recently placed
> advertisements criticizing Mr. Carter in several major newspapers, and
> the Central Conference of American Rabbis, representing Reform Judaism,
> announced that its members would not visit the Carter Center, as
> planned, during a coming conference in Atlanta.
>
> Mr. Carter has defended his views, along with his use of the word
> "apartheid" in the book's title, saying he intended the book to
> spark discussion.
>
> The letter from resigning board members accuses Mr. Carter of having
> abandoned his role as a peace broker in the Middle East, and said his
> statements had proven useful to white supremacists and other
> anti-Semites.
>
> "In its work in conflict resolution, the Carter Center has always
> played the useful and constructive role of honest broker and mediator
> between warring parties," the letter says. "In your book, which
> portrays the conflict between Israel and her neighbors as a purely
> one-sided affair with Israel holding all of the responsibility for
> resolving the conflict, you have clearly abandoned your historic role
> of broker in favor of becoming an advocate for one side."

OUT OF 2,500 ADVISERS AT THE CENTER, DOZEN ARE JEWS, LET THEM GO TO
HELL!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:02:44 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: U.S. TROOPS MURDER INNOCENT BEDOUINS INSTEAD OF "AL QAEDA"
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Instead of "al-Qaeda," U.S. Kills Nomads in Somalia
Saturday January 13th 2007, 11:20 am

As usual, it takes a few days for the truth to emerge, not that the
corporate media here in America notices.

Instead of killing Fazul Abdullah Moham-med, Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan and
Abu Taha al-Sudani, supposedly "al-Qaeda" operatives responsible
for the 1998 US embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, the
Pentagon killed "herdsmen ... gathered with their animals around
large fires at night to ward off mosquitoes" in Somalia, according to
the Independent.

"Oxfam yesterday confirmed at least 70 nomads in the Afmadow district
near the border with Kenya had been killed. The nomads were bombed at
night and during the day while searching for water sources. Meanwhile,
the US ambassador to Kenya has acknowledged that the onslaught on
Islamist fighters failed to kill any of the three prime targets,"
described as "backfir[ing] spectacularly" by the British newspaper.

All of this runs counter to the assertions of U.S. ambassador, Michael
Ranneberger, who said "that no civilians had been killed or injured
and that only one attack had taken place. The UN's refugee agency,
UNHCR, reported that an estimated 100 people were wounded in Monday's
air strikes on the small fishing village of Ras Kamboni launched from
the US military base in Djibouti after a mobile phone intercept." It
is not explained why impoverished nomads, in search of water, would be
in possession of cell phones (or, for that matter, why there are cell
phone towers in a remote area of one of the world's poorest
countries).

As should be expected, the operations against innocent Somalis serve
but one purpose only, that is beyond satiating the blood lust of Muslim
hating neocons-it was an excuse to get "boots on the ground for the
first time since a 1993 mission backfired and led to a humiliating
withdrawal from Somalia," a mission mythologized in violent Hollywood
fashion in the film Black Hawk Down.

"Under international law, there is a duty to distinguish between
military and civilian targets," said Paul Smith-Lomas, Oxfam's
regional director. "We are deeply concerned that this principle is
not being adhered to, and that innocent people in Somalia are paying
the price," as innocent people have since the neocons captured the
Oval Office and large swaths of the Pentagon.

It is of no concern to the Pentagon that above mentioned
"terrorists" were not killed and innocent nomads suffered instead.
In fact, such reckless behavior will serve as a "blueprint" for
future operations against Muslim enemies.

"U.S. commandos' military operations in Somalia and the use of the
Ethiopian army as a surrogate force to root out al Qaeda operatives
there provide a blueprint for counterterrorism missions across the
globe, Pentagon strategists say," reports the neocon propaganda
syndicate, the New York Times. "U.S. officials said the recent
military efforts in Somalia have been led by the Pentagon's joint
Special Operations Command, which directs the military's most
secretive and elite units, including the Army's Delta Force."

The Pentagon's Special Operations Command runs P2OG, or the Proactive
and Preemptive Operations Group, a black budgeted psyop designed to
"stimulate reactions" among "terrorists," or maybe that should
be nomadic animal herding Muslims careless enough to light fires as
AC-130 gunships roam the night skies.

Unfortunately, many Somalis live in the Pentagon's "battlespace"
where we are told "al-Qaeda" operates, thus putting "their
sovereignty ... at risk," as an August 16, 2002, Power Point
presentation held at the Defense Science Board made abundantly clear.

"Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told members
of Congress on Friday that a U.S. airstrike by an AC-130 gunship early
this week in Somalia was executed under the Pentagon's authority to
hunt down and kill terrorism suspects around the world, a power given
to it by the White House shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks."

Bush and crew believe the non-declaration of war against Iraq-that is
to say, a "war" not declared by Congress, as required by Article
One, Section Eight of the Constitution-gives them the right to attack
anybody, anywhere, without regard to Article 51 of the First Protocol
to the Geneva Conventions, stating that parties "shall at all times
distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and
accordingly shall direct their operations only against military
objectives."

But then neocons don't do the Geneva Conventions-or the
Constitution for that matter.

Democrat members of Congress complained, if slightly, that the Pentagon
is "using U.S. forces outside declared combat zones," thus giving
"the Pentagon too much authority in sovereign nations," not that
such, again, matters to neocons, hell-bent on killing Muslims, no
matter where they live.

In response, the Pentagon said it had sent "onesies and twosies"
into Somalia "with the advancing Ethiopian army that helped
Somalia's weak transitional government oust a strong Muslim militia
that had been in control of Mogadishu, the capital, and most of
southern Somalia."

In other words, it was a classic CIA assisted military coup, with
Pentagon ops replacing those of the CIA.

It should be noted that this coup was arranged to get rid of the
Islamic Courts Union, a rival administration to the Transitional
Federal Government, supported by the United States. The ICU enjoyed the
support of a majority of Somalis because they resisted the endemic
chaos of armed warlord thugs and provided education and health care to
the impoverished populace.

Of course, we can't have that, especially in a Muslim country.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: AL QAEDA IS A BUG INSERTED INTO BUSH'S BRAIN BY JEWS..
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...IT DOES NOT EXISTE, AND HAS NEVER EXISTED, BUT IT WILL PROBABLY
EXIST IN THE FUTURE IF U.S. KEEPS SLAUGHTERING INNOCENT MUSLIMS



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:08 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
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captain. wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1168709929.233116.47830@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > captain. wrote:
> >>  wrote in message
> >> news:1168612748.700336.174030@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > YOU MUST BE BLIND, STUPID OR BOTH IF YOU DO NOT SEE DOZENS OF HISPANIC
> >> > CONGRESSMEN AND ELECTED OFFICIAL AND NOT JUST IN MIAMI
> >> >
> >>
> >> nice that you had no answer for my pointing out to you that the majority
> >> of
> >> hispanics in the usa are from north america.
> >>
> >> owned.
> > For you info you stupid uneducated fool, more than 270 million
> > Hispanics do live in North America that is Mexico Guatemala, Nicaragua,
> > Panama, etc.. In fact US citizens are the minority in North America
> > since it also includes such places as Canada
> >
>
> well that is interesting to know... but completely unrelated to the south
> american % of the population of the usa, which was what was being discussed
> up until this point.

It is related allright, just as much as the oppression of the native
population is.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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staten wrote:
> "captain."  wrote in message
> news:utlrh.162706$hn.16307@edtnps82...
> >
> > "staten"  wrote in message
> > news:3c060$45ad2e13$45485c3a$28835@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>
> >>> in your mind iraqis are the same people as north african muslims who
> >>> riot in france. how can i even get through to this? i don't think it's
> >>> possible.
> >>
> >> Muslims are everywhere the same . Why ? Because they follow Koran
> >> teaching. Strictly follow, to the letter.
> >>
> >> Quran (9:5)
> >> Fight and slay the pagans  seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait
> >> for them in every stratagem.
> >>
> >> See, dhimmi, there is no room for us (pagans) in their world no matter
> >> where they would live in Europe or in North Africa.
> >>
> >
> > you claim english is your first language but you use words like
> > "dhimmi"???
>
> So, whta's wrong with that?
>
> > anyhow, muslims everywhere are not the same. is a chechen the same as a
> > moroccan?
>
> Sure. They read one Koran.
>
> >of course not.
>
> Of course yes. Otherwise they are not Muslims.

All musims world over are brothers and sisters , and although they
respect other religions immensly, their own is a sacred Quran.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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captain. wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1169045770.429441.82670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > captain. wrote:
> >> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> >> news:1168709929.233116.47830@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > captain. wrote:
> >> >>  wrote in message
> >> >> news:1168612748.700336.174030@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > YOU MUST BE BLIND, STUPID OR BOTH IF YOU DO NOT SEE DOZENS OF
> >> >> > HISPANIC
> >> >> > CONGRESSMEN AND ELECTED OFFICIAL AND NOT JUST IN MIAMI
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> nice that you had no answer for my pointing out to you that the
> >> >> majority
> >> >> of
> >> >> hispanics in the usa are from north america.
> >> >>
> >> >> owned.
> >> > For you info you stupid uneducated fool, more than 270 million
> >> > Hispanics do live in North America that is Mexico Guatemala, Nicaragua,
> >> > Panama, etc.. In fact US citizens are the minority in North America
> >> > since it also includes such places as Canada
> >> >
> >>
> >> well that is interesting to know... but completely unrelated to the south
> >> american % of the population of the usa, which was what was being
> >> discussed
> >> up until this point.
> >
> > It is related allright, just as much as the oppression of the native
> > population is.
> >
>
> related in which ways? certainly not to the title of the header, nor to the
> hispanic population demographics in north america.

Related to SA in discrimination against the blacks during the apartheid

Related to the discrimination Hispanics suffer in this country

Related to the absurd discrimination Palestinians suffer in their own
country  by the Zionist thugs

OK stupid!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: QUICK REVIEW FOR VERA/MIRELLE
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dsharavii@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Aviroce wrote:
> > > TRADITION SAYS THAT JEWS DEFIED MOSES AND WORSHIPPED THE COWS.
> > > MIRELLE, JUST KEEP POSTING.  THESE BANKRUPT PEOPLE WILL FALL OFF LIKE
> > > DUST IN THE WIND.
>
> Mirelle wrote:
> > It is true.
> > Moses went up to the top of the mountain and saw the burning bush
> > G_D spoke to him and gave him the ten commandments
>
> Been a while since you saw The Ten Commandments, Vera.
>
> Moses tended the sheep of his father-in-law Jethro, chief of Midian. He
> led the flock to the edge of the desert and came to God's Mountain in
> Chorev. An angel of Adonai appeared to him in the heart of a fire in
> the middle of a thorn-bush.

There you are Mirelle, I knew that George Bush had something to do with
the ZoNazi lies!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: STICK YOUR "INTELIGENZIA" UP YOUR JEW ARSE!
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 THIS GREAT COUNTRY-AMERICA, WAS BUILT BY BRICLAYERS STEEL WORKERS AND
AGRICULTURAL WORKERS, NOT BY THE JEWISH BULLSHIT ARTISTS NOR BY ANY
OTHER MAFIOSOS AND GANGSTERS!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:20 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: STICK YOUR "INTELIGENZIA" UP YOUR JEW ARSE!
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CITY OF CHICAGO WAS BUILT BY THE MUSLIMS FROM ALBANIA AND CHRISTIAN
SERBS, I DON'T THINK A FUCKING JEWS KNOW WHAT A RIVET IS FROM THE HOLE
IN THE GROUND
>
> Venceremos wrote:
> > THIS GREAT COUNTRY-AMERICA, WAS BUILT BY BRICLAYERS STEEL WORKERS AND
> > AGRICULTURAL WORKERS, NOT BY THE JEWISH BULLSHIT ARTISTS NOR BY ANY
> > OTHER MAFIOSOS AND GANGSTERS!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:22 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: IDF Soldier Shalit Held by HAMAS - HAARETZ
Date: 18 Jan 2007 17:01:42 -0800
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torresD wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/814842.html

Don;t worry about Shalit. He has converted to Islam and is being
trained as Hamas fighter against the ZioNazi state



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish,alt.politics.international
Subject: Re: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A THREAT TO WORLD PEACE IN ITS EFFORT TO COLONIZE MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
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aklon3@attbi.com wrote:
> Aviroce wrote:
> > UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A THREAT TO WORLD PEACE IN ITS EFFORT TO
> > COLONIZE MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
>
> "Colonize"?  Who would want to live anywhere near a gang of stinking
> ragheads?  No, the proper word is "cauterize", which is what the planet
> needs to rid itself of Izzylam.
MUSLIMS WILLO CAUTERIZE YOUR IDIOT HEAD, YOU FUCKING BASTARD!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:22 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: WOLF BLITZER THE ZIONAZI PROPAGANDIST AND A SAYAN!
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Wolf Blitzer was a writer for the Jerusalem Post and penned an article
defending New Hampshire's own political activist Max Hugel, whose
forced departure from the CIA caused controversy in 1981. Blitzer's
1984 article ends by suggesting the CIA should be investigated for anti
Semitism.The irony is that in 1984, Jonathan Pollard was a Jewish spy
for Israel and passing secrets from his post as an analyst for Naval
Intelligence before he was arrested by the CIA in 1985.

In 1984, Hugel was involved with the founders of the Washington Times.
Through the years the Washington Times has published articles in
support of Pollard.

In 1989 Wolf Blitzer wrote a book titled "Territory of Lies" about
Jonathan Pollard. Robert Friedman (NY review of books) was critical of
it in a book review. In response to Wolf Blitzer's objections to the
review, Friedman accused Wolf Blitzer of sympathies to Netanyahu and
Blitzer's former employer the American Israeli Political Action
Committee (AIPAC) .

In 1999 Bill Clinton was going to pardon Pollard in order to get
concessions from Israel concerning the Middle East peace plan but
George Tenant the head of the CIA threatened to resign if he did.
Several months ago Netanyahu proclaimed that if elected he will win
Jonathan Pollards release from prison.

In his recent book "The Capture Of Jonathan Pollard" Ronald Olive, a
former Naval Intelligence official with first hand knowledge, is
concerned that apologists for Pollard's activities have muddied the
waters over the years.

Wolf Blitzer is scheduled to be the moderator for the 2008 NH
presidential primary debate in April of 2007 and the question is, Who
is Wolf Blitzer?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:22 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: AND WHY DO WE IN USA GIVE A FUCK WHAT HAPPENS TO ISRAEL?:
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We are not threatened by Hezbollah, nor by Iran, nor by Saudis. None of
them can do no harm to United States. What's more all of them want us
to be on their side!

So, why do we give a fuck what happens to the ZioNazi state which has
been antagonizing Arabs for a century?
Let kikes fight their own wars.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Remembering GOLDA MEIR.
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DoD wrote:

> Do you think that anybody gives a shit about what you have to say?

I KNOW THAT NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THE CRAP YOU BLABBER



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: STICK YOUR "INTELIGENZIA" UP YOUR JEW ARSE!)
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Radiogalaxy wrote:
> Path:
> bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc06!wnmaster11!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!199.218.7.141!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
 
ONCE AGAIN



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:24 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: SADISM, SEX WITH KIDS, TORTURE, IN THE HIGHEST ECHELONS OF U.S. GOVERNMENT
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CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE, WATCH AND CRY FOR OUR COUNTRY

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=359924937663867563&q=conspiracy%20of%20silence



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US marine admits to Iraqi's murder
The killing is one in a series of alleged atrocities committed by US
forces in Iraq [AP]
A US marine corporal has pleaded guilty to kidnapping and murdering an
unarmed Iraqi civilian, and said he and other servicemen went after him
because they were "sick and tired of getting bombed".

Trent Thomas, 25, is the first of seven marines and a navy medic
accused in the case to plead guilty to murder.

Prosecutors said the eight-man squad kidnapped 52-year-old Hashim
Ibrahim Awad in Hamdania last year, took him to a roadside hole and
shot him dead.

The servicemen are accused of placing an AK-47 gun and a shovel by his
body to make it look as if he was an insurgent caught planting a bomb.


Four of the men have pleaded guilty to reduced charges in exchange for
their testimony.

''Tired of getting bombed''

Thomas, who was on his second tour of Iraq during the April 26 killing,
said at a hearing at the Camp Pendleton marines base in southern
California on Thursday that the group planned to go after a known
insurgent but was compromised and went to a neighbouring house instead.

The judge asked why the group proceeded with the plan.

Thomas said: "... we were sick and tired of getting bombed."

He and other squad members seized Awad from a house, walked him to the
hole, cuffed his hands and threw him to the ground.

Awad spoke little English, Thomas said, but he pleaded with the group
of four marines as they led him away.

Thomas said: "He started asking, 'Why, mister, why?' We didn't say
anything."

Victim bound

Awad was struggling to get free, Thomas said, so he and others bound
his hands and feet.

The marine said someone fired a shot and then he and others in the
squad opened fire.

Thomas is to be sentenced in the coming weeks. He faces up to life in
prison without the possibility of parole, though under his plea
agreement he is likely to receive a more lenient sentence.

Another squad member, Marshall L Magincalda, a corporal, also faces
charges in the killing. Magincalda, 23, has pleaded not guilty to
murder and other charges and is awaiting trial.

The killing is one in a series of alleged atrocities committed by US
forces in Iraq.



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Anti-Semitic Beer commercial 'leaves sour taste'
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ADL Reporter wrote:
> "A BEER commercial that claims the product is brewed according to "the
> German Purity Law" is "insensitive", according to the head of the
> Jewish community's antisemitism watchdog...." See more at the URL
> below.
>
> http://antidefamationleague.us/#beer_commercial
>
> Damn, these Germans just don't know when to quit!

Supposing it was soap instead of beer, would Jews approve?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: JEWISH PEDERASTY
Date: 19 Jan 2007 05:46:23 -0800
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Case of Isa al-Natcha (Tel Aviv, Israel) (Convicted and sentence to 25
years for robbery, rape and false imprisonment, terrorized the women
working at the brothels, raped them and stole money and possessions
>from them.)

Case of Yisrael Abadi - Teacher (Holon, Israel) (Convicted of sexually
molesting three children, aged eight to 10, in the synagogue where he
teaches)

Case of Faiz Suleiman Abukarinat - The Negev Pedophile (Israel)
(Convicted of kidnapping and raping three girls from Beersheba and
Ashdod)

Case of Eugene Abrams (AKA: Eugene George Harris) (Long Island, NY;
Miami, FL)  (Convicted on 77 counts of child of rape, incest, sodomy
and obscenity involving five young girls, including his own daughter.
He spent 10 years in Attica State Prison. He was also convicted of
running a nationwide child pornography ring on Long Island, He
relocated to Flordia and was charged and convicted ofsexually
assaulting a 4 1/2-year-old girl).

Case of Joyce Abrams (North Bellmore, NY) (Convicted of running a
nationwide pornography ring with her husband Eugene Abrams, out of
their home. One of the victms was her own daughter).

Case of Errine Renata Acciaroli (AKA: Shlomit Acciaroli) - Special
Education Teacher  (Hamilton, Canada) (Found guilty of professional
misconduct for kissing a 10th grade student after asking him to make
love to her and showering him with gifts, e-mails, phone calls and
visits to his home)

Case of Arie Adler and Marisa Rimland (New York, NY) (Arie Adler was
accused of molesting his daughter. Marisa Rimland murdered her
daughter, and then committed suicide).

Case of Gerald "Ajax" Ackerman - Former Mayor (Port Huron, MI)
(Convicted and sentenced to up to 38 years in prison for having sex
with children he was supervising as part of a youth program he ran).

Case of Simcha Adler - Ohel Counselor (Borough Park/Brooklyn, NY
(Plea-bargained charges of sodomy, sexual abuse and two counts of
endangering the welfare of a child down to attempted sodomy.)

Case of Ya'acov Agmon - Director of Habima Theater (Tel Aviv, Israel)
(Accused of sexually harassing a secretary who worked for him for
two-and-a-half years with words and deeds, and of committing indecent
acts against her on three separate occasions. The prosecution closed
the file for lack of sufficient evidence).
Case of Tal Alaluf  (Arrested and confessed to raping a 13-year-old boy
he "groomed" via an Internet chat room, according to police
detectives).

Case of Hen Alkobi (Haifa, Israel)  (Accused of raping and sexually
abusing teenage girls in the Haifa area, ended in a plea bargain
arrangement.)

Case of Ben Amotz (Tel Aviv and Jaffa, Israel)  (Allegedly lured 12 to
13-year-old girls to his apartment using drugs)

Case of Igor Antapika - Haifa, Israel; Soviet Union (AKA: Street
Stairwell Rapist)  (sentenced Igor Antapika, known as "the stairwell
rapist," to 31 years in prison. The 25-year-old serial rapist who had
terrorized Haifa women in 2004 was convicted on eight of nine counts.
He earned his nickname after assaulting his victims in dark stairwells
in the city's Hadar and Carmel neighborhoods)

Case of Herbert Aptheker - (Accused of sexually abusing his daughter)

Case of Eugene Loub Aronin - School Counselor (Joppa, TX and Buffalo
Grove, IL  (Convicted in 1984 of sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy)

Case of David Carl Arndt, M.D. (Boston, MA)  (Charged with four counts
of statutory child rape and one count each of indecent assault and
battery, drugging a person for sexual intercourse, contributing to the
delinquency of a child, and possession of the drugs ketamine
hydrochloride ("Special K") and methamphetamine).

Case of Michael Ashbal - Hebrew Academy Teacher (Miami Beach, FL;
Barbados)  (Arrested for allegedly fondling an 11-year-old male
student.)

Case of  Samuel S. Aster - Music Teacher/College Professor (Teaneck,
NJ)   (Gave prosecutors a sworn statement detailing the crimes and his
videotaping of them.)

Case of Yehezkel Atar (Tel Aviv, Israel)  (Convicted of raping a
nine-year-old girl).
Case of Boris Bardichevsky (Petah Tikva, Israel) (Arrested this week by
the Israel Police's Etgar unit on suspicion of trading in women).

Case of Leeore Batshaw - Psychology Student at The University of
Winnipeg (Israel) (Convicted - internet sting on child pornography)

Case of Philip Bender, Consultant (Columbia, MD; Baltimore, MD)
(Pleaded guilty to one count of child abuse in return for prosecutors'
recommendation for probation before judgment).
Case of Uriel P. Bendavid - AKA: Peter Bendavid, Peter U. Ben, Peter U.
Bendavid, Peter U. David, Peter D. King (Passaic, NJ)  (Convicted of
endagering the welfare of a child  The victims were students at the
school where Bendavid taught)

Case of Ralph Harrison Benning (Fulton County, GA) (pleaded guilty to
molesting and murdering Peter Downing Howell Jr., 8. Benning told
police he killed Howell on the site where he was molested as a child).
Case of Shimon Bentov (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Charged with alleging he
committed sexual assaults on children and child-pornography offences).

Case of Achi Ben Shalom - Music Teacher (San Francisco, CA)   (Arrested
for alleged "lewd and lascivious acts" with a female student).

Case of Alexander Berg (Czech Republic; Haifa, Israel; Petah Tikva,
Israel; Tel Aviv, Israel)  (Extradited from the Czech Republic to
Israel under suspicion of involvement in women trafficking, as well as
a myriad of related offenses including pimping, imprisonment, assault,
threats and rape.)

Case of Harvey N. Berish - School Teacher (Bronx, NY) (Drama teacher in
an intermediate school in the Bronx was arrested on charges that he had
sexually abused four boy pupils).

Case of Ariel Berlin - Retired Travel Agent  (Arrested along with an a
father who is an Ex-convict, who offered up his 5-year-old daughter for
sex).

Case of David Steven Berman (Ruislip, England) (Convicted and sentenced
to prison.  Berman admitted to 13 charges of making indecent images of
children. Judge Jeremy Connor stated: "The images showed children as
young as six, some with elements of sadism.")

Case of Yoav Biran (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Accused of distributing child
pornography over the Internet, also of preforming indecent acts on
children.  Also see: Case of Rafael Kaplanovsky and Case of Itai
Snapier).
Case of Moni Biton (Tel Aviv, Israel) (Convicted and sentence to
sentenced to 22 years for purchased a stun gun, tear gas, knives and
scissors, and decided in advance which brothels him and his friends
would attack).

Case of Yaron Blanc (Ariel, Israel)  (Accused of using the internet to
lure minors for sexual activity)
Case of Baron Bloom (London, England) (Convicted of indecently
assaulting a 15-year-old girl. The judge ordered Bloom's name to be
placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years and sentenced him to
one year's imprisonment).

Case of Harold Bloom - Humanities and English Professor at Yale (New
Haven, CT)  (Accused of sexually harassing students).

Case of Yossi Boker, Assistant Commander - Police Investigative
Department (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Arrested on charges of sexual
harassment.)

Case of Yitzhak Bohasilovsky (Bnei Brak, Israel) - (confessed to series
of indecent acts involving 300 children)



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: January 19
Date: 19 Jan 2007 05:48:37 -0800
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  Case of Isa al-Natcha (Tel Aviv, Israel) (Convicted and sentence to
25
years for robbery, rape and false imprisonment, terrorized the women
working at the brothels, raped them and stole money and possessions
>from them.)

Case of Yisrael Abadi - Teacher (Holon, Israel) (Convicted of sexually
molesting three children, aged eight to 10, in the synagogue where he
teaches)

Case of Faiz Suleiman Abukarinat - The Negev Pedophile (Israel)
(Convicted of kidnapping and raping three girls from Beersheba and
Ashdod)

Case of Eugene Abrams (AKA: Eugene George Harris) (Long Island, NY;
Miami, FL)  (Convicted on 77 counts of child of rape, incest, sodomy
and obscenity involving five young girls, including his own daughter.
He spent 10 years in Attica State Prison. He was also convicted of
running a nationwide child pornography ring on Long Island, He
relocated to Flordia and was charged and convicted ofsexually
assaulting a 4 1/2-year-old girl).

Case of Joyce Abrams (North Bellmore, NY) (Convicted of running a
nationwide pornography ring with her husband Eugene Abrams, out of
their home. One of the victms was her own daughter).

Case of Errine Renata Acciaroli (AKA: Shlomit Acciaroli) - Special
Education Teacher  (Hamilton, Canada) (Found guilty of professional
misconduct for kissing a 10th grade student after asking him to make
love to her and showering him with gifts, e-mails, phone calls and
visits to his home)

Case of Arie Adler and Marisa Rimland (New York, NY) (Arie Adler was
accused of molesting his daughter. Marisa Rimland murdered her
daughter, and then committed suicide).

Case of Gerald "Ajax" Ackerman - Former Mayor (Port Huron, MI)
(Convicted and sentenced to up to 38 years in prison for having sex
with children he was supervising as part of a youth program he ran).

Case of Simcha Adler - Ohel Counselor (Borough Park/Brooklyn, NY
(Plea-bargained charges of sodomy, sexual abuse and two counts of
endangering the welfare of a child down to attempted sodomy.)

Case of Ya'acov Agmon - Director of Habima Theater (Tel Aviv, Israel)
(Accused of sexually harassing a secretary who worked for him for
two-and-a-half years with words and deeds, and of committing indecent
acts against her on three separate occasions. The prosecution closed
the file for lack of sufficient evidence).
Case of Tal Alaluf  (Arrested and confessed to raping a 13-year-old boy
he "groomed" via an Internet chat room, according to police
detectives).

Case of Hen Alkobi (Haifa, Israel)  (Accused of raping and sexually
abusing teenage girls in the Haifa area, ended in a plea bargain
arrangement.)

Case of Ben Amotz (Tel Aviv and Jaffa, Israel)  (Allegedly lured 12 to
13-year-old girls to his apartment using drugs)

Case of Igor Antapika - Haifa, Israel; Soviet Union (AKA: Street
Stairwell Rapist)  (sentenced Igor Antapika, known as "the stairwell
rapist," to 31 years in prison. The 25-year-old serial rapist who had
terrorized Haifa women in 2004 was convicted on eight of nine counts.
He earned his nickname after assaulting his victims in dark stairwells
in the city's Hadar and Carmel neighborhoods)

Case of Herbert Aptheker - (Accused of sexually abusing his daughter)

Case of Eugene Loub Aronin - School Counselor (Joppa, TX and Buffalo
Grove, IL  (Convicted in 1984 of sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy)

Case of David Carl Arndt, M.D. (Boston, MA)  (Charged with four counts
of statutory child rape and one count each of indecent assault and
battery, drugging a person for sexual intercourse, contributing to the
delinquency of a child, and possession of the drugs ketamine
hydrochloride ("Special K") and methamphetamine).

Case of Michael Ashbal - Hebrew Academy Teacher (Miami Beach, FL;
Barbados)  (Arrested for allegedly fondling an 11-year-old male
student.)

Case of  Samuel S. Aster - Music Teacher/College Professor (Teaneck,
NJ)   (Gave prosecutors a sworn statement detailing the crimes and his
videotaping of them.)

Case of Yehezkel Atar (Tel Aviv, Israel)  (Convicted of raping a
nine-year-old girl).
Case of Boris Bardichevsky (Petah Tikva, Israel) (Arrested this week by
the Israel Police's Etgar unit on suspicion of trading in women).

Case of Leeore Batshaw - Psychology Student at The University of
Winnipeg (Israel) (Convicted - internet sting on child pornography)

Case of Philip Bender, Consultant (Columbia, MD; Baltimore, MD)
(Pleaded guilty to one count of child abuse in return for prosecutors'
recommendation for probation before judgment).
Case of Uriel P. Bendavid - AKA: Peter Bendavid, Peter U. Ben, Peter U.
Bendavid, Peter U. David, Peter D. King (Passaic, NJ)  (Convicted of
endagering the welfare of a child  The victims were students at the
school where Bendavid taught)

Case of Ralph Harrison Benning (Fulton County, GA) (pleaded guilty to
molesting and murdering Peter Downing Howell Jr., 8. Benning told
police he killed Howell on the site where he was molested as a child).
Case of Shimon Bentov (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Charged with alleging he
committed sexual assaults on children and child-pornography offences).

Case of Achi Ben Shalom - Music Teacher (San Francisco, CA)   (Arrested
for alleged "lewd and lascivious acts" with a female student).

Case of Alexander Berg (Czech Republic; Haifa, Israel; Petah Tikva,
Israel; Tel Aviv, Israel)  (Extradited from the Czech Republic to
Israel under suspicion of involvement in women trafficking, as well as
a myriad of related offenses including pimping, imprisonment, assault,
threats and rape.)

Case of Harvey N. Berish - School Teacher (Bronx, NY) (Drama teacher in
an intermediate school in the Bronx was arrested on charges that he had
sexually abused four boy pupils).

Case of Ariel Berlin - Retired Travel Agent  (Arrested along with an a
father who is an Ex-convict, who offered up his 5-year-old daughter for
sex).

Case of David Steven Berman (Ruislip, England) (Convicted and sentenced
to prison.  Berman admitted to 13 charges of making indecent images of
children. Judge Jeremy Connor stated: "The images showed children as
young as six, some with elements of sadism.")

Case of Yoav Biran (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Accused of distributing child
pornography over the Internet, also of preforming indecent acts on
children.  Also see: Case of Rafael Kaplanovsky and Case of Itai
Snapier).
Case of Moni Biton (Tel Aviv, Israel) (Convicted and sentence to
sentenced to 22 years for purchased a stun gun, tear gas, knives and
scissors, and decided in advance which brothels him and his friends
would attack).

Case of Yaron Blanc (Ariel, Israel)  (Accused of using the internet to
lure minors for sexual activity)
Case of Baron Bloom (London, England) (Convicted of indecently
assaulting a 15-year-old girl. The judge ordered Bloom's name to be
placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years and sentenced him to
one year's imprisonment).

Case of Harold Bloom - Humanities and English Professor at Yale (New
Haven, CT)  (Accused of sexually harassing students).

Case of Yossi Boker, Assistant Commander - Police Investigative
Department (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Arrested on charges of sexual
harassment.)

Case of Yitzhak Bohasilovsky (Bnei Brak, Israel) - (confessed to series
of indecent acts involving 300 children)



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: YOU ARE PRAY FOR A YOUNG KID TO COME YOUR WAY
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  Case of Isa al-Natcha (Tel Aviv, Israel) (Convicted and sentence to
25
years for robbery, rape and false imprisonment, terrorized the women
working at the brothels, raped them and stole money and possessions
>from them.)

Case of Yisrael Abadi - Teacher (Holon, Israel) (Convicted of sexually
molesting three children, aged eight to 10, in the synagogue where he
teaches)

Case of Faiz Suleiman Abukarinat - The Negev Pedophile (Israel)
(Convicted of kidnapping and raping three girls from Beersheba and
Ashdod)

Case of Eugene Abrams (AKA: Eugene George Harris) (Long Island, NY;
Miami, FL)  (Convicted on 77 counts of child of rape, incest, sodomy
and obscenity involving five young girls, including his own daughter.
He spent 10 years in Attica State Prison. He was also convicted of
running a nationwide child pornography ring on Long Island, He
relocated to Flordia and was charged and convicted ofsexually
assaulting a 4 1/2-year-old girl).

Case of Joyce Abrams (North Bellmore, NY) (Convicted of running a
nationwide pornography ring with her husband Eugene Abrams, out of
their home. One of the victms was her own daughter).

Case of Errine Renata Acciaroli (AKA: Shlomit Acciaroli) - Special
Education Teacher  (Hamilton, Canada) (Found guilty of professional
misconduct for kissing a 10th grade student after asking him to make
love to her and showering him with gifts, e-mails, phone calls and
visits to his home)

Case of Arie Adler and Marisa Rimland (New York, NY) (Arie Adler was
accused of molesting his daughter. Marisa Rimland murdered her
daughter, and then committed suicide).

Case of Gerald "Ajax" Ackerman - Former Mayor (Port Huron, MI)
(Convicted and sentenced to up to 38 years in prison for having sex
with children he was supervising as part of a youth program he ran).

Case of Simcha Adler - Ohel Counselor (Borough Park/Brooklyn, NY
(Plea-bargained charges of sodomy, sexual abuse and two counts of
endangering the welfare of a child down to attempted sodomy.)

Case of Ya'acov Agmon - Director of Habima Theater (Tel Aviv, Israel)
(Accused of sexually harassing a secretary who worked for him for
two-and-a-half years with words and deeds, and of committing indecent
acts against her on three separate occasions. The prosecution closed
the file for lack of sufficient evidence).
Case of Tal Alaluf  (Arrested and confessed to raping a 13-year-old boy
he "groomed" via an Internet chat room, according to police
detectives).

Case of Hen Alkobi (Haifa, Israel)  (Accused of raping and sexually
abusing teenage girls in the Haifa area, ended in a plea bargain
arrangement.)

Case of Ben Amotz (Tel Aviv and Jaffa, Israel)  (Allegedly lured 12 to
13-year-old girls to his apartment using drugs)

Case of Igor Antapika - Haifa, Israel; Soviet Union (AKA: Street
Stairwell Rapist)  (sentenced Igor Antapika, known as "the stairwell
rapist," to 31 years in prison. The 25-year-old serial rapist who had
terrorized Haifa women in 2004 was convicted on eight of nine counts.
He earned his nickname after assaulting his victims in dark stairwells
in the city's Hadar and Carmel neighborhoods)

Case of Herbert Aptheker - (Accused of sexually abusing his daughter)

Case of Eugene Loub Aronin - School Counselor (Joppa, TX and Buffalo
Grove, IL  (Convicted in 1984 of sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy)

Case of David Carl Arndt, M.D. (Boston, MA)  (Charged with four counts
of statutory child rape and one count each of indecent assault and
battery, drugging a person for sexual intercourse, contributing to the
delinquency of a child, and possession of the drugs ketamine
hydrochloride ("Special K") and methamphetamine).

Case of Michael Ashbal - Hebrew Academy Teacher (Miami Beach, FL;
Barbados)  (Arrested for allegedly fondling an 11-year-old male
student.)

Case of  Samuel S. Aster - Music Teacher/College Professor (Teaneck,
NJ)   (Gave prosecutors a sworn statement detailing the crimes and his
videotaping of them.)

Case of Yehezkel Atar (Tel Aviv, Israel)  (Convicted of raping a
nine-year-old girl).
Case of Boris Bardichevsky (Petah Tikva, Israel) (Arrested this week by
the Israel Police's Etgar unit on suspicion of trading in women).

Case of Leeore Batshaw - Psychology Student at The University of
Winnipeg (Israel) (Convicted - internet sting on child pornography)

Case of Philip Bender, Consultant (Columbia, MD; Baltimore, MD)
(Pleaded guilty to one count of child abuse in return for prosecutors'
recommendation for probation before judgment).
Case of Uriel P. Bendavid - AKA: Peter Bendavid, Peter U. Ben, Peter U.
Bendavid, Peter U. David, Peter D. King (Passaic, NJ)  (Convicted of
endagering the welfare of a child  The victims were students at the
school where Bendavid taught)

Case of Ralph Harrison Benning (Fulton County, GA) (pleaded guilty to
molesting and murdering Peter Downing Howell Jr., 8. Benning told
police he killed Howell on the site where he was molested as a child).
Case of Shimon Bentov (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Charged with alleging he
committed sexual assaults on children and child-pornography offences).

Case of Achi Ben Shalom - Music Teacher (San Francisco, CA)   (Arrested
for alleged "lewd and lascivious acts" with a female student).

Case of Alexander Berg (Czech Republic; Haifa, Israel; Petah Tikva,
Israel; Tel Aviv, Israel)  (Extradited from the Czech Republic to
Israel under suspicion of involvement in women trafficking, as well as
a myriad of related offenses including pimping, imprisonment, assault,
threats and rape.)

Case of Harvey N. Berish - School Teacher (Bronx, NY) (Drama teacher in
an intermediate school in the Bronx was arrested on charges that he had
sexually abused four boy pupils).

Case of Ariel Berlin - Retired Travel Agent  (Arrested along with an a
father who is an Ex-convict, who offered up his 5-year-old daughter for
sex).

Case of David Steven Berman (Ruislip, England) (Convicted and sentenced
to prison.  Berman admitted to 13 charges of making indecent images of
children. Judge Jeremy Connor stated: "The images showed children as
young as six, some with elements of sadism.")

Case of Yoav Biran (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Accused of distributing child
pornography over the Internet, also of preforming indecent acts on
children.  Also see: Case of Rafael Kaplanovsky and Case of Itai
Snapier).
Case of Moni Biton (Tel Aviv, Israel) (Convicted and sentence to
sentenced to 22 years for purchased a stun gun, tear gas, knives and
scissors, and decided in advance which brothels him and his friends
would attack).

Case of Yaron Blanc (Ariel, Israel)  (Accused of using the internet to
lure minors for sexual activity)
Case of Baron Bloom (London, England) (Convicted of indecently
assaulting a 15-year-old girl. The judge ordered Bloom's name to be
placed on the sex offenders register for 10 years and sentenced him to
one year's imprisonment).

Case of Harold Bloom - Humanities and English Professor at Yale (New
Haven, CT)  (Accused of sexually harassing students).

Case of Yossi Boker, Assistant Commander - Police Investigative
Department (Jerusalem, Israel)  (Arrested on charges of sexual
harassment.)

Case of Yitzhak Bohasilovsky (Bnei Brak, Israel) - (confessed to series
of indecent acts involving 300 children)



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: My opinion...
Date: 19 Jan 2007 09:39:37 -0800
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Frank Arthur wrote:
> "Ken Pangborn"  wrote in message
> news:5c8769836320cce08f015e5dc043f2d9@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
> > My opinion is that the holocaust didn't happen, or if it did, it was
> > hugely
> > exaggerated.

You are right, Jews have exaggerated the Holocaust and made it look
like they are the only Nazi victims in the world



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:28 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.venezuela,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: AND WHY DO WE IN USA GIVE A FUCK WHAT HAPPENS TO Seredin?
Date: 19 Jan 2007 09:41:43 -0800
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 Who is "WE" shithead. Nanaimo is not a part of USA



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:29 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: THE ULTIMATE CRUELTY
Date: 19 Jan 2007 15:23:27 -0800
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EVEN NAZIS WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE THIS:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6445f9fdd7

IS THIS THE KIND OF "FREEDOM" AND CIVILITY BUSH IS PEDDLING TO IRAQIS?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:30 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: THERE NEVER WAS SUCH A COUNTRY AS ISRAEL, JEWLAND, OR ANY LAND POPULATED BY JEWS
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Show me one single shard, and inscription, a piece of pottery which
indicates that israel ever existed and you may have a point. Israel is
a political creation of the Zionist thugs, nothing else.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:30 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: ISRAEL HAS NEVER EXISTED
Date: 19 Jan 2007 17:25:56 -0800
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DoD wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1169249290.579858.232340@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> > Show me one single shard, and inscription, a piece of pottery which
> > indicates that israel ever existed and you may have a point.
>
> http://www.jewishmag.com/95mag/timna/roman.jpg
>
> http://www.jewishmag.com/57mag/tiberias/menora.jpg

CRAP! AND YOU KNOW THAT IT IS A CRAP! MENORAH DOES NOT PROVE EXISTENCE
OF ISRAEL AND NEITHER DOES SWASTIKA PROVE EXISTENCE OF NAZIS, EVEN
THOUGH SWASTIKA HAS BEEN USED AS A SYMBOL FOR ABOUT 5 THOUSAND YEARS



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:31 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,alt.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Muslim vs. Jewish science.... part 2.
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raireme@hotmail.com wrote:
> B Cramer skrev:
>
> > "DoD"  wrote in message
> > news:dLash.1627$dd.332@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> > > Jewish science:
> > >
> > > Israeli researchers close in on vaccine for autoimmune diseases
> >
> > Will this vaccine also contain simian virus, doodoo?
>
> Get an AIDS virus at your earliest convenience, mate! You are soo
> envious of successful people especially when they belong to an ethnic
> group often called "Jews".

I, FOR ONE RESPECT BRICKLAYERS, STEELWORKERS, MINERS, TOOLMAKERS AND
TRUCK DRIVERS, AND YOU CAN STICK YOUR BLOODSUCKER JEWS UP YOUR ARSE



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From: serwad@bellsouth.net
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,alt.religion.islam
Subject: OH, ANOTHER BLESSING OF THE ZIONAZI "SCIENCE"!
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 A 10-year-old Palestinian girl has died of wounds suffered after
Israeli border police fired on demonstrators in a village outside
Jerusalem this week.

Abir Aramin was seriously wounded in her head by shrapnel from a stun
grenade fired by the Israeli force during clashes with Palestinians in
the village of Ananta on Tuesday.

Aramin, who was standing outside her school together with her sister
when she was hit, died on Thursday, her family said.

A spokeswoman for the border police confirmed that they had used "crowd
control means against stone throwers" protesting the construction of
Israel's controversial West Bank separation barrier.

"No injuries were reported at the time. Only three days later was a
complaint lodged," she said Friday.

"The border police expresses its regret over the death of the girl and
hopes the circumstances of the incident are quickly revealed."

Her death brings to 5,627 the number of people killed since the
outbreak of the Palestinian uprising in September 2000, the vast
majority of them Palestinians, according to an AFP count.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:32 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: ISRAEL IS THAT CAUSE OF ALL WORLD PROBLEMS
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AND WHO NEEDS IT?

NOT UNITED STATES

NOT EUROPE

NOT RUSSIA

NOBODY

SIMPLY DISSOLVE THE WHOLE SHEBANG



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: WHY SHOULD JIMMY CARTER, PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES...
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 UNITED STATES SHOULD JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF SUPPORTING THE NAZI
STATE OF ISRAEL!

WHO NEEDS IT?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 CRAP! ZIONAZI PROPAGANDA MACHINE TURNS THIS CRAP OUT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: STICK YOUR "INTELIGENZIA" UP YOUR JEW ARSE!
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raireme@hotmail.com wrote:
> Venceremos skrev:
>
> > THIS GREAT COUNTRY-AMERICA, WAS BUILT BY BRICLAYERS STEEL WORKERS AND
> > AGRICULTURAL WORKERS, NOT BY THE JEWISH BULLSHIT ARTISTS NOR BY ANY
> > OTHER MAFIOSOS AND GANGSTERS!
>
 JEWISH  SHYLOCKS AND MONEY LENDERS DID NOT BUILD AMERICA, HARD WORKING
PEOPLE DID



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: IT IS JEWS WHO SHOULD BE GRATEFUL, THAT WE ALLOWED THEM TO SCREW US UP
Date: 19 Jan 2007 21:19:44 -0800
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 And who gives a shit who invented what! I do not!  God knows how many
potential Einsteins have died of starvation in Africa. America and
Europe gave Jews the opportunity to better themselves, and ungrateful
arseholes denigrate all others who work with their hands



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Bin Laden't Indictment of America
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Cazador wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > CRAP! ZIONAZI PROPAGANDA MACHINE TURNS THIS CRAP OUT!
>
> You think I'm a part of a zionazi propaganda machine? I'm sorry
> Venceremos but thisis actually the letter to America sent by Bin Laden
> right after 9/11. It came from a legitimate news source. It's
> interesting that you doubt it. Why? It rings true to me given the
> reading I've done about Muslim radicalism generally and bin Laden's
> views in particular. It is consistent with the media analysis done at
> the time.
For your information my friend, both Bin Laden and the story of 911 are
inventions of those who want America to become a slave of New World
Order. Bin Laden made no videos or tapes, ever!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:36 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: NY couple build wall through home
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Tilly wrote:
> A Jewish 'War of The Roses' !!
> A bickering New York couple have had a dividing wall constructed inside
> their home as part of an acrimonious divorce.
> Chana and Simon Taub, both 57, have endured two years of divorce
> negotiations, but neither is prepared to give up their Brooklyn home.
>
> Now a white partition wall has been built through the heart of the house to
> keep the pair apart.
>
> Mr Taub asked a judge to allow him to erect the partition when the couple's
> divorce stalled over financial details.
>
> The Taubs' divorce has been rumbling through the New York divorce courts for
> two years.
>
> But despite owning another home - just two doors away - the unhappily
> married couple have decided to carry on living under the same roof.
>
> "It's my house," said Simon Taub, who requested the building of the wall.
>
> "And emotionally, in my age, I want to be in my house," he told the
> Associated Press.
>
> Chana Taub maintains that she has as much right as her partly-estranged
> husband to stay in the Borough Park house.
>
> "I need a house to live and money to live on. I worked very hard for him,
> like a horse, like a slave for him."
>
> Barricades
>
> Eventually, after negotiations led nowhere, a judge ordered that the
> partition wall be built inside the house.
>
> The wall divides the ground floor of the house, and keeps husband and wife
> penned into separate sections on different floors.
>
> One door linking the rival sections of the house is barricaded shut to
> prevent any accidental contact between the pair.
>
> But one US therapist interpreted the Taubs' acrimony as evidence of a
> still-flickering flame.
>
> "It's clear that if they're going to go to this length, there's still far
> too much connection," Kimberly Flemke told AP.
>
> "I would hope they'd both go to therapy."
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6281785.stm
>
> --
> Tilly_Gr@Removethis.gmail.com
I can understand that! If Jews cannot live with their blood
brothers-the Palestinians, how can they possibly be expected to live
with each other?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: THE ULTIMATE CRUELTY
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xxarag@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > EVEN NAZIS WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE THIS:
> >
> > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6445f9fdd7
> >
> > IS THIS THE KIND OF "FREEDOM" AND CIVILITY BUSH IS PEDDLING TO IRAQIS?
>
>
>               ASK THE ARABS WHO KILLS THE ARABS!

ARABS KNOW THOSE WHO KILL THEM AND THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THOSE ONE BY
ONE!



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Subject: Re: NY couple build wall through home
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> In Russia, it was quite common under communism for people to spend years
> together in the same house after they divorce as they could not afford
> to move out.
f Bernard - No 108

YEAH, RTIGHT! YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN TO RUSSIA!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: BUSH HAS NEVER WON ONE SINGLE ELECTION
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Three Cuyahoga County, Ohio, election workers have been indicted on
charges that they improperly conducted the recount of ballots after the
2004 election.

The special prosecutor in the case, Kevin Baxter, said that there was
no evidence of vote fraud, but that the workers were trying to avoid
having to conduct a public hand recount of the county's ballots.

The Ohio recount process involves recounting three percent of the
ballots by hand and by machine, and if the counts match, then
recounting the remainder of the ballots by machine. But if the counts
don't match exactly after two attempts, then every ballot in the
county must be recounted by hand.

The investigation began after a Toledo attorney wrote the Cuyahoga
County prosecutor with allegations that the election officials had not
selected precincts at random and had pre-counted the ballots, choosing
only precincts where the hand counts matched the machine counts, and
then pretending to choose those precincts at random when the recount
was done. The prosecutor recused himself, and Baxter, a prosecutor from
Erie County, was appointed special prosecutor.

    Kathleen Dreamer was manager of the board's ballot department.
Rosie Grier was assistant manager. Jacqueline Maiden was Elections
Division director and its third-highest-ranking employee. All have been
charged with misdemeanor and felony counts of failing to follow the
state elections law.

    A May 8 trial date is set for Dreamer and Grier, but Baxter wants
to combine all three cases, including Maiden's, who was indicted
later. . . .

    "They screwed with the process and increased the probability, if
not the certainty, that there would not be a full countywide hand
count," Baxter said. - Cleveland Plain Dealer

Michael Vu, executive director of the Cuyahoga County elections board,
said that the employees had been following established procedures, had
done nothing wrong, and were actually prepared to hand count the entire
county's ballots.

"Why do all that work to prepare for the election, conduct it, audit
it, canvass and then not meet this last obligation?" he said. "Our
plan was to regroup after Christmas and just work through it."

The recount of Ohio had been requested by the Libertarian and Green
Party presidential candidates, Michael Badnarik and David Cobb.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: DODIE, ZA DOM SPREMJNI
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 DODIE'S POPPA WAS AN USTASHA, CROATIAN NAZI WHOSE LEADER ANTE PAVLIC
DECLARED THAT USTASHAS SHOULD NOT USE BULLETS ON KILLING JEWS, INSTEAD
A KNIFE CALLED KAMA WOULD SUFFICE.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Ron Jacobson wrote:
> In article <14GdnTk3o_jFPizYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@giganews.com>,

>    Between 1824 and 1908 approximately 10,000 Aborigines were murdered
> in the Colony of Queensland. "Considered 'wild animals', 'vermin', 'scarcely
> human', 'hideous to humanity', 'loathsome' and a 'nuisance', they were fair
> game for white 'sportsmen'."
>  
WOW THAT ENTITLES ZIONAZIS TO MURDER AT LEAST 10,000 PALESTINIANS!



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Subject: THOUSANDS OF U.S. TROOPS COULD BE TRAPPED AND PAY WITH THEIR LIVES
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  MIL-IRAQ-IRAN-TROOPS
Iran masses troops along borders with Iraq - source

IRBIL, Jan 19 (KUNA) - An Iraqi Kurdish source said Friday that Iran
is massing troops along its borders with north Iraq.

A Pishmerga source said that Iran has beefed up its troops stationed
along the main border crossing (Pashmakh), midway between the Kurdish
Penjavin city and the Iranian Miriwan city.

He added that Iran sent more reinforcement troops to the Kirban border
position with Iraq, between Daza castle north of Suleymania.

Also the Iranian border authorities are applying a lot of pressure on
businessmen at the border crossing and tightening the inspection
process there.


http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=944040



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Blame It On Rio ! wrote:
> "BernardZ"  wrote in message
> news:MPG.201cce683a112ccf989c30@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > In article <1169299219.759586.178470@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> >> For your information
> >>
> >
> > Actually Sheikh Taj El-Din Hilaly, the imam of Australia's biggest
> > mosque, also justifed rape in November after a Ramadan sermon in which
> > he said unveiled women were like uncovered meat.
> >
>
> Muslim women are the victims of Muslim men that can't keep their pants
> zipped. What the stoopit guy was trying to say is Muslim men have no respect
> for women, they are just meat.
>
> Uncovered meat attracts maggots.

Oh, don't listen to Bernard he is an uneducated Jewish maggot who does
not know what the fuck he is blubbering about!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:40 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Alan Dershowitz challenges, Jimmy Carter RUNS like a chicken
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Spaz wrote:
> More disturbing evidence of Jimmy Carter's vile anti-Semitism.

NEXT THING YOU WILL BE SAYING IS THAT ZIONAZIS ARE "SEMITES"!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: More disturbing proof that Democrats are becoming anti-Semitic, anti-Israel. Jimmy Carter EXPOSED
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> WHY have Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, and other democrats NOT
> condemned Jimmy Carter's anti-Semitism?

HARDLY POSSIBLE, SINCE CARTER JUST WANTS TO FREE PALESTINIANS FROM THE
VILEST FASCIST THUGS IN THE WORLD TODAY -ZIONIST FASCISTS



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:40 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Anti-Defamation League CONDEMNS Jimmy Carter
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 FUCK THE FASCIST ADL! WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THESE BASTARDS THINK!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:03:41 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: ZIONAZIS PRINTING U.S. MONEY
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A 57-year-old Reisterstown man pleaded guilty today in federal court to
charges related to an international counterfeiting ring, the Maryland
U.S. Attorney's office announced.

Mordechai Mizrahi admitted in court to importing $120,000 in
counterfeit $100 bills from co-conspirators in Israel, prosecutors
said. The bills were smuggled into Maryland and used primarily in the
Baltimore area in 2003. Prosecutors said Mizrahi paid $32,500 in
legitimate money for every $100,000 of the counterfeit currency.



U.S. Secret Service agents tracked 11 of the counterfeit bills to a
transaction at a Randallstown grocery store, where they were used to
purchase money orders that Mizrahi deposited into a bank account. The
bills were also exchanged for legitimate currency through cashiers at
Atlantic City casinos and at various department stores - where he
would purchase merchandise and return it for legitimate currency,
prosecutors said.

Howard County police arrested Mizrahi in October 2003 for using several
of the bills at a Marriottsville golf course.

Mizrahi faces a maximum prison sentence of five years followed by two
years' probation and a $250,000 fine. Sentencing has been scheduled for
April 27.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_county/bal-counterfeit0119,0,3305965.story?coll=bal-local-baltimorecounty



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 THAT SOUNDS MORE BELIEVABLE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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  Aside from costing zillions to feed and provide for, it causes more
problems for United States than Soviet Union ever did!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: WIPE THE CRAP OFF THE MAP
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> I wish carter was an anti-semite but no politician is.  They're all
> treasonous Israel-firsters. And very well paid for being so.

I tend to agree

Israel is crap, Aside from costing zillions to feed and provide for, it
causes more problems for United States than Soviet Union ever did!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 Nobody in the wor;d is as backward as an average American



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The Liberation of the Camps
Theodore J. O'Keefe

At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified American infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and
dying inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by showing
the GI's crematory ovens, alleged gas chambers, supposed implements of
torture, even shrunken heads and lampshades, gloves, and handbags
purportedly made from skin flayed from dead inmates.

U.S. government authorities, mindful that most Americans, who
remembered the atrocity stories fed them during World War I, still
doubted the Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime,
resolved to "document" what the GI's had found in the camps. Prominent
newsmen and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence,
while the U.S. Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. The famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the
American populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody
history of this planet.

For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps - the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of torture
and terror - became the basis not simply of a transitory propaganda
campaign but of the conviction that yes, it was true: the Germans DID
exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas chambers. What
the GI's found was used, by way of films which were mandatory viewing
for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the German
people by destroying their national pride and their will to a united,
independant national state, imposing in their place overwhelming
feelings of collective guilt and political impotence. And when the
testimony, and the verdict, at Nuremberg incorporated most, if not all,
of the horror stories Americans were told about Dachau, Buchenwald, and
other places captured by the U.S. Army, the Holocaust could pass for
one of the most documented, one of the most authenticated, one of the
most proven historical episodes in the human record.

A DIFFERENT REALITY

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the camps
was quite different from the one in which they were coaching military
public information officers, government spokesmen, politicians,
journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in
the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes. Among them
was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists,
who was assigned to the Judge Advocate General's Department. Dr. Larson
performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps,
examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at
Dachau, he was questioned for three days by U.S. Army prosecutors.(1)

Dr. Larson's findings? According to an interview he gave to an American
journalist in 1980, "What we've heard is that six million Jews were
exterminated. Part of that is a hoax."(2) And what part was the hoax?
Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the
only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater,"(3)
informed "Wichita Eagle" reporter Jan Floerchinger that there "never
was a case of poison gas uncovered." (4) Neither Dr. Larson nor any
other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any Holocaust
historian to substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether
Zyklon-B or any other variety.

TYPHUS, NOT POISON GAS

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death?
Deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.
As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause
of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the other camps was disease, above all
typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind which until recently
flourished in places where populations were crowded together in
circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken
down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany
at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing,
quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse
of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to
catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health who was with U.S. forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for
the outbreaks as follows:

"Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path
left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions
contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade,
public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food
distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline
were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of
populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have
experienced." (5)

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russel Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."(6) Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he
had credited stories of deliberate starvations but had decided such
stories were untrue after inspecting the well-equipped kitchens and the
meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked
and dispensed each day. Despite noisily publicized claims and
widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able
to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the
German camps.

NO LAMPSHADES, NO HANDBAGS, ETC.

What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay, military governor
of the U.S. zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948,
told his superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that
she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure
tattooed skins or that she possessed any articles made of human
skin."(7) In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated
about the material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out
actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human
flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair
trial."(8) Ilse Koch hanged herself in a West German jail in 1967.

It would be tedius to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been challenged
by believers in the Jewish Holocaust. Dr. Morgen informed the court
that he had been given full authority by Heinrich Himmler, commander of
Hitler's SS and the dreaded Gestapo, to enter any German concentration
camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption on the part of
the camp staffs. According to Dr. Morgen's sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, he investigated 800 such cases, in which over 200
convictions resulted.(9) Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Karl Koch, Ilse's husband,
commandant of Buchenwald.

In reality, while camp commandants in certain cases did inflict
physical punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in
Berlin, and it was required that a camp physician first certify the
good health of the prisoner to be disciplined and then be on hand at
the actual beating.(10) After all, the camps were throughout most of
the war important centers of industrial activity. The good health and
morale of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced by a 1942 order issued by SS-Brigadefuhrer Richard Glucks,
chief of the office which controlled the concentration camps, which
held camp commanders "personally responsible for exhausting every
possibility to preserve the physical strength of the detainees." (11)


CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVORS - MERELY VICTIMS?

U.S. Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps were not the guards
but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same stripe as
those who populate U.S. prisons today committed many villainies,
particularly when they held positions of authority, and fanatical
Communists, highly organized to combat their many political enemies
among the inmates, eliminated their foes with Stalinist ruthlessness.

Two U.S. Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances in the camp before its
liberation. In a detailed report submitted to their superiors, they
revealed, in the words of Alfred Toambs, their commander, who wrote a
preface to the report, "how the prisoners themselves organized a deadly
terror within the Nazi terror."(12)

Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:
". . . The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death . . . The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald."

Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article which appeared in "The American Mercury" shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death. (13)

Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by Ellis
E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the Seventh U.S. Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino Valley
College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the prisoners were
the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities on their fellow
prisoners." (14)

"GAS CHAMBERS"

On December 9, 1944 Col. Paul Kirk and Lt. Col. Edward J. Gully
inspected the German concentration camp at Natzweiler in Alsace. They
reported their findings to their superiors at the headquarters of the
U.S. 6th Army Group, which subsequently forwarded Kirk and Gully's
report to the War Crimes Division. While, significantly, the full text
of their report has never been published, it has been revealed, by an
author supportive of Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were
careful to characterize equipment exhibited to them by French
informants as a "SO-CALLED lethal gas chamber," and claim it was
"ALLEGEDLY used as a lethal gas chamber" (15) [emphasis added].

Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity which accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a U.S. Army photo
depicting a GI gazing mournfully at a steel door marked with a skull
and crossbones and the German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger!
Don't open!" was identified as showing the murder weapon. Later,
however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in question was
merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and another alleged
gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower room, was
exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the site where
thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous reports in
the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber," no official
report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to reconcile such
problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they "dummies," or
did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory has
appreciable support in journalistic and historiographical literature.)

As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
captured by the Allies. There was no end of propaganda about "gas
chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far not a single detailed
description of the murder weapon and its function, not a single report
of the kind that is mandatory for the successful prosecution of any
assault or murder case in America at the time and today, has come to
light.

Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all! All these things, we are told, were located in what is now
Poland, in areas captured by the Soviet Red Army and off-limits to
Western investigators. In 1960 Dr. Martin Broszat, who is now director
of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary History, which is funded
by the West German government to SUPPORT the Holocaust story, wrote a
letter to the German weekly "Die Zeit" in which he stated
categorically: "Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in
Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."(16) Professional
Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal wrote in 1975 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."(17) And Dachau "gas chamber" No.
2, which was once presented to a stunned and grieving world as a weapon
which claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, is now described in the
brochure issued to tourists at the modern Dachau "memorial site" in
these words: "This gas chamber, camouflaged as a shower room, was not
used."(18)

THE PROPAGANDA INTENSIFIES

More than forty years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald,
and the other German camps, and trained American investigators
established the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images annually
on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust. Despite
the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy, no enemy
of America has ever so suffered so complete and devestating defeat as
did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and bureaucrats
behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration camps continue
to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers continue to
distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the camps.

TIME FOR TRUTH

It is time that the government and the professional historians revealed
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald, and the other camps. It is time
that they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how
they didn't die. It is time that the claims as to mass murder by
gassing were clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other
claims of murder are dealt with. It is time that the free ride certain
groups have enjoyed as the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be
terminated, just as it is time that other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime
leadership of America and Britain stop being scapegoated, either for
their alleged role in the Holocaust or their supposed failure to stop
it.

Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great democratic
Republic have the facts about the camps, facts which they possess a
right to know, a right that is fundamental to the exercise of their
authority and their will in the governance of their country. As
citizens and as taxpayers, Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all
faiths, have a basic right and an overriding interest in determining
the facts of incidents which are deemed by those in positions of power
to be determinative in America's foreign policy, in its educational
policy, in its selection of past events to be memorialized in our civic
life. The alleged facts of the Holocaust are today at issue all over
the civilized world: in Germany, in France, in Italy, in Britain, in
the Low Countries and Scandinavia, in Japan, across our border in
Canada and in the United States of America itself. The truth will be
decided only by recourse to the facts, in the public forum: not by
concealing the facts, denying the truth, stonewalling reality. The
truth will out, and it is time the government of this country, and
governments and international bodies throughout the world, made public
and patent the evidence of what actually transpired in the German
concentration camps in the years 1933-1945, so that we may put paid to
the lies, without fear or favor, and carry out the work of
reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the granite foundation
of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace based on justice,
rather than on guns, barbed wire, prisons, and lies.

NOTES
1) Crime Doctor, a biography of Larson by John D. McCallum, Mercer,
Washington & Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, 1979, p. 69.
2) Wichita Eagle_, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
3) Crime Doctor, p. 46.
4) Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C
5) John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of
Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, Ed., _Rickettsial
Diseases of Man, Am. Acad. for the Advancement of Science, Washington
D.C. 1948.
6) Toronto Star, February 8, 1985, p. A2.
7) New York Times, 24 September 1948, p. 3.
8) Interview with Lucius Clay,_Official Proceeding of the George C.
Marshall Research Foundation, cited in "Buchenwald: Legend and
Reality," Mark Weber, The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 7, no. 4.
9) International Military Tribunal, Vol. XVII, p. 556; IMT, Vol. XX,
pp. 489, 438.
10) Cited in The Theory and Practice of Hell, Eugen Kogon, Berkley
Books, New York, pages 108-109.
11) Nuremberg document NO-1523.
12) Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, U.S. Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National
Archives, Record Group 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151
(8929/163-8929/180).
13) "Communist Atrocities at Buchenwald," Donald B. Robinson, in
_American Mercury, October 1946.
14) _San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, March 13, 1966 (cited in The Man Who
Invented "Genocide", James J. Martin, Institute for Historical Review,
IHR, 1984, pp. 110-111.
15) Concentration Camp at Natzwiller [sic]_, RG 331, Records of Allied
Operations and Occupation, Army Headquarters WW2, SHAEF/G-5/2717,
Modern Military, National Archives, Washington, D.C., cited in Robert
H. Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart_, Oxford University Press, New York,
1985, p. 10, p. 181. 16) _Die Zeit_, Hamburg, Germany, August 26, 1960.
17) _Books & Bookmen, April 1975, Vol. 7, p. 5. 18) Leaflet, Memorial
Site Concentration Camp Dachau, The International Dachau-Committee,
Dachau, Germany, n.d.

The author Theodore J. O'Keefe is the editor of "The Journal of
Historical Review." Educated at Harvard, he has studied history and
literature on three continents, and has published many articles on
historical and political subjects.



The inmates of a Polish concentration camp: shortly after the camp was
overun by advancing Soviet forces and the captives were released. Note
the absence of any emaciated figures here

The conclusions of the early U.S. Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:
1. The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2. Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities consistently punished corruption AND cruelty on the part of
camp commanders and guards.
3. On the other hand, the representations of the newly liberated
inmates to have been saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often
very far fom the truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on
camp detainees were the work of their fellow prisoners, in
contravention of German policy and German orders.
4. The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers had been used either
for bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that
they had been used to murder Jews or other human beings is a
contemptible fabrication. Orthodox, Establishment historians and
professional "Nazi hunters" have quietly dropped claims that inmates
were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald, and other camps in Germany. They
continue, however, to keep silent regarding the lies about Dachau and
Buchenwald, as well as to evade an open discussion of the evidence for
homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and the other camps captured by the
Soviets.



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 The Liberation of the Camps
Theodore J. O'Keefe

At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified American infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and
dying inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by showing
the GI's crematory ovens, alleged gas chambers, supposed implements of
torture, even shrunken heads and lampshades, gloves, and handbags
purportedly made from skin flayed from dead inmates.

U.S. government authorities, mindful that most Americans, who
remembered the atrocity stories fed them during World War I, still
doubted the Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime,
resolved to "document" what the GI's had found in the camps. Prominent
newsmen and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence,
while the U.S. Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. The famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the
American populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody
history of this planet.

For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps - the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of torture
and terror - became the basis not simply of a transitory propaganda
campaign but of the conviction that yes, it was true: the Germans DID
exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas chambers. What
the GI's found was used, by way of films which were mandatory viewing
for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the German
people by destroying their national pride and their will to a united,
independant national state, imposing in their place overwhelming
feelings of collective guilt and political impotence. And when the
testimony, and the verdict, at Nuremberg incorporated most, if not all,
of the horror stories Americans were told about Dachau, Buchenwald, and
other places captured by the U.S. Army, the Holocaust could pass for
one of the most documented, one of the most authenticated, one of the
most proven historical episodes in the human record.

A DIFFERENT REALITY

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the camps
was quite different from the one in which they were coaching military
public information officers, government spokesmen, politicians,
journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in
the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes. Among them
was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists,
who was assigned to the Judge Advocate General's Department. Dr. Larson
performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps,
examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at
Dachau, he was questioned for three days by U.S. Army prosecutors.(1)

Dr. Larson's findings? According to an interview he gave to an American
journalist in 1980, "What we've heard is that six million Jews were
exterminated. Part of that is a hoax."(2) And what part was the hoax?
Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the
only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater,"(3)
informed "Wichita Eagle" reporter Jan Floerchinger that there "never
was a case of poison gas uncovered." (4) Neither Dr. Larson nor any
other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any Holocaust
historian to substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether
Zyklon-B or any other variety.

TYPHUS, NOT POISON GAS

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death?
Deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.
As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause
of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the other camps was disease, above all
typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind which until recently
flourished in places where populations were crowded together in
circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken
down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany
at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing,
quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse
of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to
catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health who was with U.S. forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for
the outbreaks as follows:

"Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path
left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions
contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade,
public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food
distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline
were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of
populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have
experienced." (5)

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russel Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."(6) Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he
had credited stories of deliberate starvations but had decided such
stories were untrue after inspecting the well-equipped kitchens and the
meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked
and dispensed each day. Despite noisily publicized claims and
widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able
to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the
German camps.

NO LAMPSHADES, NO HANDBAGS, ETC.

What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay, military governor
of the U.S. zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948,
told his superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that
she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure
tattooed skins or that she possessed any articles made of human
skin."(7) In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated
about the material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out
actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human
flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair
trial."(8) Ilse Koch hanged herself in a West German jail in 1967.

It would be tedius to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been challenged
by believers in the Jewish Holocaust. Dr. Morgen informed the court
that he had been given full authority by Heinrich Himmler, commander of
Hitler's SS and the dreaded Gestapo, to enter any German concentration
camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption on the part of
the camp staffs. According to Dr. Morgen's sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, he investigated 800 such cases, in which over 200
convictions resulted.(9) Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Karl Koch, Ilse's husband,
commandant of Buchenwald.

In reality, while camp commandants in certain cases did inflict
physical punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in
Berlin, and it was required that a camp physician first certify the
good health of the prisoner to be disciplined and then be on hand at
the actual beating.(10) After all, the camps were throughout most of
the war important centers of industrial activity. The good health and
morale of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced by a 1942 order issued by SS-Brigadefuhrer Richard Glucks,
chief of the office which controlled the concentration camps, which
held camp commanders "personally responsible for exhausting every
possibility to preserve the physical strength of the detainees." (11)


CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVORS - MERELY VICTIMS?

U.S. Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps were not the guards
but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same stripe as
those who populate U.S. prisons today committed many villainies,
particularly when they held positions of authority, and fanatical
Communists, highly organized to combat their many political enemies
among the inmates, eliminated their foes with Stalinist ruthlessness.

Two U.S. Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances in the camp before its
liberation. In a detailed report submitted to their superiors, they
revealed, in the words of Alfred Toambs, their commander, who wrote a
preface to the report, "how the prisoners themselves organized a deadly
terror within the Nazi terror."(12)

Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:
". . . The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death . . . The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald."

Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article which appeared in "The American Mercury" shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death. (13)

Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by Ellis
E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the Seventh U.S. Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino Valley
College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the prisoners were
the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities on their fellow
prisoners." (14)

"GAS CHAMBERS"

On December 9, 1944 Col. Paul Kirk and Lt. Col. Edward J. Gully
inspected the German concentration camp at Natzweiler in Alsace. They
reported their findings to their superiors at the headquarters of the
U.S. 6th Army Group, which subsequently forwarded Kirk and Gully's
report to the War Crimes Division. While, significantly, the full text
of their report has never been published, it has been revealed, by an
author supportive of Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were
careful to characterize equipment exhibited to them by French
informants as a "SO-CALLED lethal gas chamber," and claim it was
"ALLEGEDLY used as a lethal gas chamber" (15) [emphasis added].

Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity which accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a U.S. Army photo
depicting a GI gazing mournfully at a steel door marked with a skull
and crossbones and the German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger!
Don't open!" was identified as showing the murder weapon. Later,
however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in question was
merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and another alleged
gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower room, was
exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the site where
thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous reports in
the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber," no official
report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to reconcile such
problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they "dummies," or
did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory has
appreciable support in journalistic and historiographical literature.)

As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
captured by the Allies. There was no end of propaganda about "gas
chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far not a single detailed
description of the murder weapon and its function, not a single report
of the kind that is mandatory for the successful prosecution of any
assault or murder case in America at the time and today, has come to
light.

Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all! All these things, we are told, were located in what is now
Poland, in areas captured by the Soviet Red Army and off-limits to
Western investigators. In 1960 Dr. Martin Broszat, who is now director
of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary History, which is funded
by the West German government to SUPPORT the Holocaust story, wrote a
letter to the German weekly "Die Zeit" in which he stated
categorically: "Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in
Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."(16) Professional
Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal wrote in 1975 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."(17) And Dachau "gas chamber" No.
2, which was once presented to a stunned and grieving world as a weapon
which claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, is now described in the
brochure issued to tourists at the modern Dachau "memorial site" in
these words: "This gas chamber, camouflaged as a shower room, was not
used."(18)

THE PROPAGANDA INTENSIFIES

More than forty years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald,
and the other German camps, and trained American investigators
established the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images annually
on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust. Despite
the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy, no enemy
of America has ever so suffered so complete and devestating defeat as
did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and bureaucrats
behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration camps continue
to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers continue to
distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the camps.

TIME FOR TRUTH

It is time that the government and the professional historians revealed
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald, and the other camps. It is time
that they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how
they didn't die. It is time that the claims as to mass murder by
gassing were clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other
claims of murder are dealt with. It is time that the free ride certain
groups have enjoyed as the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be
terminated, just as it is time that other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime
leadership of America and Britain stop being scapegoated, either for
their alleged role in the Holocaust or their supposed failure to stop
it.

Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great democratic
Republic have the facts about the camps, facts which they possess a
right to know, a right that is fundamental to the exercise of their
authority and their will in the governance of their country. As
citizens and as taxpayers, Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all
faiths, have a basic right and an overriding interest in determining
the facts of incidents which are deemed by those in positions of power
to be determinative in America's foreign policy, in its educational
policy, in its selection of past events to be memorialized in our civic
life. The alleged facts of the Holocaust are today at issue all over
the civilized world: in Germany, in France, in Italy, in Britain, in
the Low Countries and Scandinavia, in Japan, across our border in
Canada and in the United States of America itself. The truth will be
decided only by recourse to the facts, in the public forum: not by
concealing the facts, denying the truth, stonewalling reality. The
truth will out, and it is time the government of this country, and
governments and international bodies throughout the world, made public
and patent the evidence of what actually transpired in the German
concentration camps in the years 1933-1945, so that we may put paid to
the lies, without fear or favor, and carry out the work of
reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the granite foundation
of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace based on justice,
rather than on guns, barbed wire, prisons, and lies.

NOTES
1) Crime Doctor, a biography of Larson by John D. McCallum, Mercer,
Washington & Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, 1979, p. 69.
2) Wichita Eagle_, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
3) Crime Doctor, p. 46.
4) Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C
5) John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of
Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, Ed., _Rickettsial
Diseases of Man, Am. Acad. for the Advancement of Science, Washington
D.C. 1948.
6) Toronto Star, February 8, 1985, p. A2.
7) New York Times, 24 September 1948, p. 3.
8) Interview with Lucius Clay,_Official Proceeding of the George C.
Marshall Research Foundation, cited in "Buchenwald: Legend and
Reality," Mark Weber, The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 7, no. 4.
9) International Military Tribunal, Vol. XVII, p. 556; IMT, Vol. XX,
pp. 489, 438.
10) Cited in The Theory and Practice of Hell, Eugen Kogon, Berkley
Books, New York, pages 108-109.
11) Nuremberg document NO-1523.
12) Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, U.S. Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National
Archives, Record Group 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151
(8929/163-8929/180).
13) "Communist Atrocities at Buchenwald," Donald B. Robinson, in
_American Mercury, October 1946.
14) _San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, March 13, 1966 (cited in The Man Who
Invented "Genocide", James J. Martin, Institute for Historical Review,
IHR, 1984, pp. 110-111.
15) Concentration Camp at Natzwiller [sic]_, RG 331, Records of Allied
Operations and Occupation, Army Headquarters WW2, SHAEF/G-5/2717,
Modern Military, National Archives, Washington, D.C., cited in Robert
H. Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart_, Oxford University Press, New York,
1985, p. 10, p. 181. 16) _Die Zeit_, Hamburg, Germany, August 26, 1960.
17) _Books & Bookmen, April 1975, Vol. 7, p. 5. 18) Leaflet, Memorial
Site Concentration Camp Dachau, The International Dachau-Committee,
Dachau, Germany, n.d.

The author Theodore J. O'Keefe is the editor of "The Journal of
Historical Review." Educated at Harvard, he has studied history and
literature on three continents, and has published many articles on
historical and political subjects.



The inmates of a Polish concentration camp: shortly after the camp was
overun by advancing Soviet forces and the captives were released. Note
the absence of any emaciated figures here

The conclusions of the early U.S. Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:
1. The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2. Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities consistently punished corruption AND cruelty on the part of
camp commanders and guards.
3. On the other hand, the representations of the newly liberated
inmates to have been saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often
very far fom the truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on
camp detainees were the work of their fellow prisoners, in
contravention of German policy and German orders.
4. The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers had been used either
for bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that
they had been used to murder Jews or other human beings is a
contemptible fabrication. Orthodox, Establishment historians and
professional "Nazi hunters" have quietly dropped claims that inmates
were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald, and other camps in Germany. They
continue, however, to keep silent regarding the lies about Dachau and
Buchenwald, as well as to evade an open discussion of the evidence for
homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and the other camps captured by the
Soviets.



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DO NOT DENIGRATE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT UNITED STATES HAS EVER HAD



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Spaz wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in message
> news:1169336377.527251.308530@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > NEXT THING YOU WILL BE SAYING IS THAT ZIONAZIS ARE "SEMITES"!
> >
>
> No, I would never make such a claim, since there is no such thing as a
> "zionazi."  That's a childish pretend word used by haters to try to scare
> people with their anger, even though it never works.  Pathetic.

Are you claiming that Russians are semites? Or Romanians? Or Germans?
Having a Jewish religion does not make you into a semite you stupid
uneducated fool!



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BernardZ wrote:
> > vote
>
> http://fuelfortruth.org/about/
>
> Actually Alex the organization whose mission is to gather and
> disseminate accurate information about Israel and the Middle East to
> young adults (18-34).
>
> THE PROBLEM
>
> We believe that an anti-Israel bias in the media has led a significant
> number of people to become misinformed about the situation in the Middle
> East. Along with this, many Americans are unaware of the basic facts
> concerning the region. Such facts include: like the United States,
> Israel is a true democracy,

SURE IT IS! IF IT GETS AND MORE DEMOCRATIC, ZIONAZIS WILL BE SHOOTING
DEAD FIVE PALESTINIAN KIDS EVERY HOUR, INSTEAD OF EVERY WEEK, LIKE THEY
ARE DOING NOW!



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 Jews have been threatening people including yours truly for years! In
the end they come over talk things over and they realize that you were
right in the first place. All these are outbursts of idiocy  which
dwells in every Jew's heart



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Urban Outfitters, a popular American clothing store, on Thursday halted
sales of a range of keffiyehs, the traditional Arab headdress, which it
had been marketing this month as fashionable "anti-war woven scarves."

The firm's CEO, Dick Heyne, e-mailed a pro-Israel activist who had
complained about the items earlier this week to stress that the company
had not intended "to imply any sympathy for or support of terrorists or
terrorism" in selling the keffiyehs and was pulling them.

The scarves, also sold on-line, were priced at $20 in several different
color combinations as part of Urban Outfitters' Spring Fashion women's
accessories range. "Due to the sensitive nature of this item, we will
no longer offer it for sale," a notice on the Web site stated. "We
apologize if we offended anyone, this was by no means our intention."

A manager at an Urban Outfitters on 6th Avenue in New York City close
to the West Village, who wished to remain anonymous, said the item had
been the "number one selling scarf."

The keffiyeh has bounced in and out of American and European fashion
trends since roughly the 80s, when women draped them from their necks.
But in the last few years the headdress, mostly associated by Americans
with the Palestinians and especially the late Yasser Arafat, has
reached a height of popularity. An article in the Los Angeles Times
titled "'Terrorist Chic' and Beyond," published in April, 2006,
featured the keffiyeh as the ultimate in fashionable military gear seen
as chic in hip circles across America and Europe.

Many young Americans and Europeans, especially on college campuses,
wear the headdress around their necks as a symbol of solidarity with
the Palestinians. Increasingly, too, it has become a symbol of
resistance in general, invariably featuring at anti-war rallies. It is
also widely worn in many cities.

"I just found it amusing that the keffiyeh as a fashion item has become
so ubiquitous that it is being sold at a store known for producing the
trendiest items," said Daniel 'Mobius' Sieradski, a contributor to
Jewschool, a popular Jewish blog. "It's amusing because on one level
the Palestinian cause has become very popular, but as it gains
popularity it gets watered down."

Jews and Muslims alike had been quick to respond to the Urban
Outfitters "anti-war scarves" through their respective blogs with
skepticism, anger and amusement.

Earlier this week, Sieradski posted an entry on Jewschool entitled
"Strangely familiar 'Anti-War Scarves' now at URBN near you!" where he
mocks the selling of keffiyehs as a fashion accessory: "Well, the
keffiyeh just got 10 times more passe and 10 times more trivialized,
thanks to Urban Outfitters (proprietors of the once famed money
grubbing Jew T-shirts) who are now selling a variety of different
colored keffiyehs as - get this - anti-war scarves."

(The T-shirt reference was to the company's sale last year of shirts,
playing into the Jewish American Princess stereotype, that read
"Everyone Loves a Jewish Girl" and featured sketches of shopping bags
and dollar signs. At the time, the Anti-Defamation League protested and
the designs were changed.)

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The Liberation of the Camps
Theodore J. O'Keefe

At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified American infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and
dying inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by showing
the GI's crematory ovens, alleged gas chambers, supposed implements of
torture, even shrunken heads and lampshades, gloves, and handbags
purportedly made from skin flayed from dead inmates.

U.S. government authorities, mindful that most Americans, who
remembered the atrocity stories fed them during World War I, still
doubted the Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime,
resolved to "document" what the GI's had found in the camps. Prominent
newsmen and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence,
while the U.S. Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. The famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the
American populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody
history of this planet.

For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps - the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of torture
and terror - became the basis not simply of a transitory propaganda
campaign but of the conviction that yes, it was true: the Germans DID
exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas chambers. What
the GI's found was used, by way of films which were mandatory viewing
for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the German
people by destroying their national pride and their will to a united,
independant national state, imposing in their place overwhelming
feelings of collective guilt and political impotence. And when the
testimony, and the verdict, at Nuremberg incorporated most, if not all,
of the horror stories Americans were told about Dachau, Buchenwald, and
other places captured by the U.S. Army, the Holocaust could pass for
one of the most documented, one of the most authenticated, one of the
most proven historical episodes in the human record.

A DIFFERENT REALITY

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the camps
was quite different from the one in which they were coaching military
public information officers, government spokesmen, politicians,
journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in
the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes. Among them
was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists,
who was assigned to the Judge Advocate General's Department. Dr. Larson
performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps,
examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at
Dachau, he was questioned for three days by U.S. Army prosecutors.(1)

Dr. Larson's findings? According to an interview he gave to an American
journalist in 1980, "What we've heard is that six million Jews were
exterminated. Part of that is a hoax."(2) And what part was the hoax?
Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the
only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater,"(3)
informed "Wichita Eagle" reporter Jan Floerchinger that there "never
was a case of poison gas uncovered." (4) Neither Dr. Larson nor any
other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any Holocaust
historian to substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether
Zyklon-B or any other variety.

TYPHUS, NOT POISON GAS

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death?
Deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.
As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause
of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the other camps was disease, above all
typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind which until recently
flourished in places where populations were crowded together in
circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken
down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany
at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing,
quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse
of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to
catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health who was with U.S. forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for
the outbreaks as follows:

"Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path
left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions
contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade,
public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food
distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline
were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of
populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have
experienced." (5)

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russel Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."(6) Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he
had credited stories of deliberate starvations but had decided such
stories were untrue after inspecting the well-equipped kitchens and the
meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked
and dispensed each day. Despite noisily publicized claims and
widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able
to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the
German camps.

NO LAMPSHADES, NO HANDBAGS, ETC.

What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay, military governor
of the U.S. zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948,
told his superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that
she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure
tattooed skins or that she possessed any articles made of human
skin."(7) In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated
about the material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out
actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human
flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair
trial."(8) Ilse Koch hanged herself in a West German jail in 1967.

It would be tedius to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been challenged
by believers in the Jewish Holocaust. Dr. Morgen informed the court
that he had been given full authority by Heinrich Himmler, commander of
Hitler's SS and the dreaded Gestapo, to enter any German concentration
camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption on the part of
the camp staffs. According to Dr. Morgen's sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, he investigated 800 such cases, in which over 200
convictions resulted.(9) Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Karl Koch, Ilse's husband,
commandant of Buchenwald.

In reality, while camp commandants in certain cases did inflict
physical punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in
Berlin, and it was required that a camp physician first certify the
good health of the prisoner to be disciplined and then be on hand at
the actual beating.(10) After all, the camps were throughout most of
the war important centers of industrial activity. The good health and
morale of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced by a 1942 order issued by SS-Brigadefuhrer Richard Glucks,
chief of the office which controlled the concentration camps, which
held camp commanders "personally responsible for exhausting every
possibility to preserve the physical strength of the detainees." (11)

CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVORS - MERELY VICTIMS?

U.S. Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps were not the guards
but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same stripe as
those who populate U.S. prisons today committed many villainies,
particularly when they held positions of authority, and fanatical
Communists, highly organized to combat their many political enemies
among the inmates, eliminated their foes with Stalinist ruthlessness.

Two U.S. Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances in the camp before its
liberation. In a detailed report submitted to their superiors, they
revealed, in the words of Alfred Toambs, their commander, who wrote a
preface to the report, "how the prisoners themselves organized a deadly
terror within the Nazi terror."(12)

Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:
". . . The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death . . . The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald."

Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article which appeared in "The American Mercury" shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death. (13)

Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by Ellis
E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the Seventh U.S. Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino Valley
College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the prisoners were
the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities on their fellow
prisoners." (14)

"GAS CHAMBERS"

On December 9, 1944 Col. Paul Kirk and Lt. Col. Edward J. Gully
inspected the German concentration camp at Natzweiler in Alsace. They
reported their findings to their superiors at the headquarters of the
U.S. 6th Army Group, which subsequently forwarded Kirk and Gully's
report to the War Crimes Division. While, significantly, the full text
of their report has never been published, it has been revealed, by an
author supportive of Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were
careful to characterize equipment exhibited to them by French
informants as a "SO-CALLED lethal gas chamber," and claim it was
"ALLEGEDLY used as a lethal gas chamber" (15) [emphasis added].

Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity which accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a U.S. Army photo
depicting a GI gazing mournfully at a steel door marked with a skull
and crossbones and the German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger!
Don't open!" was identified as showing the murder weapon. Later,
however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in question was
merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and another alleged
gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower room, was
exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the site where
thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous reports in
the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber," no official
report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to reconcile such
problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they "dummies," or
did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory has
appreciable support in journalistic and historiographical literature.)

As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
captured by the Allies. There was no end of propaganda about "gas
chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far not a single detailed
description of the murder weapon and its function, not a single report
of the kind that is mandatory for the successful prosecution of any
assault or murder case in America at the time and today, has come to
light.

Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all! All these things, we are told, were located in what is now
Poland, in areas captured by the Soviet Red Army and off-limits to
Western investigators. In 1960 Dr. Martin Broszat, who is now director
of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary History, which is funded
by the West German government to SUPPORT the Holocaust story, wrote a
letter to the German weekly "Die Zeit" in which he stated
categorically: "Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in
Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."(16) Professional
Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal wrote in 1975 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."(17) And Dachau "gas chamber" No.
2, which was once presented to a stunned and grieving world as a weapon
which claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, is now described in the
brochure issued to tourists at the modern Dachau "memorial site" in
these words: "This gas chamber, camouflaged as a shower room, was not
used."(18)

THE PROPAGANDA INTENSIFIES

More than forty years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald,
and the other German camps, and trained American investigators
established the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images annually
on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust. Despite
the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy, no enemy
of America has ever so suffered so complete and devestating defeat as
did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and bureaucrats
behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration camps continue
to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers continue to
distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the camps.

TIME FOR TRUTH

It is time that the government and the professional historians revealed
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald, and the other camps. It is time
that they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how
they didn't die. It is time that the claims as to mass murder by
gassing were clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other
claims of murder are dealt with. It is time that the free ride certain
groups have enjoyed as the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be
terminated, just as it is time that other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime
leadership of America and Britain stop being scapegoated, either for
their alleged role in the Holocaust or their supposed failure to stop
it.

Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great democratic
Republic have the facts about the camps, facts which they possess a
right to know, a right that is fundamental to the exercise of their
authority and their will in the governance of their country. As
citizens and as taxpayers, Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all
faiths, have a basic right and an overriding interest in determining
the facts of incidents which are deemed by those in positions of power
to be determinative in America's foreign policy, in its educational
policy, in its selection of past events to be memorialized in our civic
life. The alleged facts of the Holocaust are today at issue all over
the civilized world: in Germany, in France, in Italy, in Britain, in
the Low Countries and Scandinavia, in Japan, across our border in
Canada and in the United States of America itself. The truth will be
decided only by recourse to the facts, in the public forum: not by
concealing the facts, denying the truth, stonewalling reality. The
truth will out, and it is time the government of this country, and
governments and international bodies throughout the world, made public
and patent the evidence of what actually transpired in the German
concentration camps in the years 1933-1945, so that we may put paid to
the lies, without fear or favor, and carry out the work of
reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the granite foundation
of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace based on justice,
rather than on guns, barbed wire, prisons, and lies.

NOTES
1) Crime Doctor, a biography of Larson by John D. McCallum, Mercer,
Washington & Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, 1979, p. 69.
2) Wichita Eagle_, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
3) Crime Doctor, p. 46.
4) Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C
5) John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of
Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, Ed., _Rickettsial
Diseases of Man, Am. Acad. for the Advancement of Science, Washington
D.C. 1948.
6) Toronto Star, February 8, 1985, p. A2.
7) New York Times, 24 September 1948, p. 3.
8) Interview with Lucius Clay,_Official Proceeding of the George C.
Marshall Research Foundation, cited in "Buchenwald: Legend and
Reality," Mark Weber, The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 7, no. 4.
9) International Military Tribunal, Vol. XVII, p. 556; IMT, Vol. XX,
pp. 489, 438.
10) Cited in The Theory and Practice of Hell, Eugen Kogon, Berkley
Books, New York, pages 108-109.
11) Nuremberg document NO-1523.
12) Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, U.S. Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National
Archives, Record Group 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151
(8929/163-8929/180).
13) "Communist Atrocities at Buchenwald," Donald B. Robinson, in
_American Mercury, October 1946.
14) _San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, March 13, 1966 (cited in The Man Who
Invented "Genocide", James J. Martin, Institute for Historical Review,
IHR, 1984, pp. 110-111.
15) Concentration Camp at Natzwiller [sic]_, RG 331, Records of Allied
Operations and Occupation, Army Headquarters WW2, SHAEF/G-5/2717,
Modern Military, National Archives, Washington, D.C., cited in Robert
H. Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart_, Oxford University Press, New York,
1985, p. 10, p. 181. 16) _Die Zeit_, Hamburg, Germany, August 26, 1960.
17) _Books & Bookmen, April 1975, Vol. 7, p. 5. 18) Leaflet, Memorial
Site Concentration Camp Dachau, The International Dachau-Committee,
Dachau, Germany, n.d.

The author Theodore J. O'Keefe is the editor of "The Journal of
Historical Review." Educated at Harvard, he has studied history and
literature on three continents, and has published many articles on
historical and political subjects.

The inmates of a Polish concentration camp: shortly after the camp was
overun by advancing Soviet forces and the captives were released. Note
the absence of any emaciated figures here

The conclusions of the early U.S. Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:
1. The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2. Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities consistently punished corruption AND cruelty on the part of
camp commanders and guards.
3. On the other hand, the representations of the newly liberated
inmates to have been saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often
very far fom the truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on
camp detainees were the work of their fellow prisoners, in
contravention of German policy and German orders.
4. The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers had been used either
for bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that
they had been used to murder Jews or other human beings is a
contemptible fabrication. Orthodox, Establishment historians and
professional "Nazi hunters" have quietly dropped claims that inmates
were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald, and other camps in Germany. They
continue, however, to keep silent regarding the lies about Dachau and
Buchenwald, as well as to evade an open discussion of the evidence for
homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and the other camps captured by the
Soviets.



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Frank Arthur wrote:
> The German and Austrian government imprisons Holocaust deniers.
> The German & Austrian governments accepts as factual the barbaric
> Nazi concentation camps, gas chambers and crematoria and the truth
> of the effort of the Nazis to kill all the Jews of Europe by shooting,
> gassing or working them to death.

The governments do not represent the people neither in Europe nor in
United States, they toe the Zionazi line!

If Nazis wanted to kill all the Jews in Europe why did they have to
bring them to the camps, feed them and house them?  Nazis killed a
million Russians near Voronezh simply by putting a barbed wire around
them and letting them die.



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Allan Adler wrote:
> I'm reading Nikolai Gogol's Taras Bulba in English. A few chapters into
> the book, he presents the antisemitic, anticatholic and anti-muslim
> attitudes of the Cossacks pretty vividly. Unlike the latter two, he also
> supplements his descriptions with some stereotypic depications of particular
> Jews. That made me wonder whether Gogol himself was at all antisemitic.
> On the other hand, later on he says that the Cossacks treated Catholics
> even more inhumanly than they treated the Jews. So, independently of what
> one thinks of this comparison, he is at least saying that he considered
> the Cossack treatment of Jews to be inhuman. That makes me think that maybe
> he wasn't antisemitic. But I don't really know one way or the other.
>
> Does anyone know, preferably based on a knowledge of his life, rather than
> by reading between the lines of his fiction?
> --
> Ignorantly,
> Allan Adler 
> * Disclaimer: I am a guest and *not* a member of the MIT CSAIL. My actions and
> * comments do not reflect in any way on MIT. Also, I am nowhere near Boston.

Gogol was a realist akin to many American writyers who do not mince
words. Russians have a good reason to despise the currupt, dishonest
and double crossing Jews, as you will find out if you read Gogol.



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DoD wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > DO NOT DENIGRATE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT UNITED STATES HAS EVER HAD
>
> He was a shitty president, and I thought that even before I knew he was
> a Jew hating bigot... That is a true.

There is no9thing that5 indicates to me that Carter hates Jews!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: L@@K @ What This Jew Jet Did.
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127.0.0.1 wrote:
> www.halturnershow.com
>
> It's nice to see America put Izzy in their place for a change. Wtf, is wrong
> with Israel? you can't do stuff like that.

It does not work, pal. It doesn't



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: 2N2 CAN ONLY6 BE "DISTORTED" BY THE JEWS
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>
> http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=1267

SUCH PIECE OF NAZI PROPAGANDA AS "CAMERA" HAS NOT EXISTED SINCE
GOEBBELS.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: THE REASON JEWS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE KAFFEYAH
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Is because many thousands of people will be wearing them during the war
protest next weekend. CAIR will be selling them much cheaper in
Washington



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HOLOFUCKS REVISITED
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <1169356127.891715.187100@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Venceremos  wrote:
> >The Liberation of the Camps
> >Theodore J. O'Keefe
>
> Theodore O'Keefe, the Harvard dropout that worked with the neo-nazi IHR?
 
Yes, that Theodor O'Keefe, NOW GO AND SUCK SHARON'S SHRIVELLED COCK



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: HOLOFUCKS FOR ALL
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sshay wrote:
> "Frank Arthur"  wrote in message
> news:IfNsh.1054$pg2.946@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> > The German and Austrian government imprisons Holocaust deniers.
> > The German & Austrian governments accepts as factual the barbaric
> > Nazi concentation camps, gas chambers and crematoria and the truth
> > of the effort of the Nazis to kill all the Jews of Europe by shooting,
> > gassing or working them to death.
> >
> >
>    Also, you have eye witness's who came forward to testify what the Nazi's
> did to the Jews. One other thing, why would Germany pay restitution to Jews?
> They are not stupid people, they would not pay if it was not 100% true. The
> crematoria's were not built for any other reason. The people who deny this
> obviously were raised by useless assholes, so it's not all their fault.

There are no crematorias in Germany, you stupid little man, and it is
the government of Germany who is bribing Jews not the people of germany!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Alex Seredin FUCKS FOR ALL
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  THANKS, BUT NO THANKS, YOU CAN KEEP SUSAN, AND DEBORAH FOR THE
NANAIMO GERMAN SHEPHEARDS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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THERE ARE NO GAS CHAMBERS OR CREMATORIA IN GERMANY AT ALL YOU STUPID
UNEDUCATED JEW



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: WAR CRIMES SUMMARIZED AND TRANSLATED INTO ARABIC
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WAR CRIMES REPORT TRANSLATED AND PUBLISHED IN ARABIC


"U.S. War Crimes in Iraq and Mechanisms for Accountability" - published
on October 11, 2006 by ten organizations concurrently, has now been
translated into Arabic. The report is now fully accessible by Iraqis
and other Arabic speakers in the Middle East.

"We are making 'U.S. War Crimes in Iraq and Mechanisms for
Accountability' available in Arabic because we want to increase its
accessibilty to the people of Iraq so that they may have knowledge of
the scope and illegality of certain U.S. conduct there," said Nick
Mottern, Director of ConsumersforPeace.org. "We hope that this will
assist the Iraqi people in preventing further war crimes and in getting
reparations for what has been done."

The Arabic language edition of the War Crimes Report is available for
free download as a pdf file through these websites:

http://www.consumersforpeace.org/pdf/war_crimes_arabic_ed_01
1307.pdf
http://traprockpeace.org/war_crimes_arabic_ed_011307.pdf
http://vcnv.org/files/war_crimes_arabic_ed_011307.pdf
http://www.videos1.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/war_cri
mes_arabic_ed_011307.pdf
http://www.brusselstribunal.org/pdf/war_crimes_iraq_arabic.p
df
http://www.uruknet.info//documenti/war_crimes_arabic_ed_0113
07.pdf

English language editions are available at these sites and the sites
listed below. We thank Dahr Jamail for coordinating the translation,
which includes all references in his extensively researched report.

Adobe Reader for pdf files is installed on most computers, or available
for free at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

The English language edition had been prepared by Consumers for Peace -
http://www.consumersforpeace.org - with the advice of Karen Parker,
noted lawyer in human rights and humanitarian law. Ms. Parker is
President of the San-Francisco-based Association of Humanitarian
Lawyers and Chief Delegate to the United Nations for the Los
Angeles-based International Educational Development/Humanitarian Law
Project (IED/AHL), an accredited non-governmental organization on the
U.N. Secretary-General's list.

Endorsements from the forward:

Howard Zinn, a historian, playwright, and social activist, is perhaps
best known for A People's History of the United States, which presents
American history through the eyes of those he feels are outside of the
political and economic establishment. He writes:

    This report on the war crimes of the current administration is an
invaluable resource, with a meticulous presentation of the evidence and
an astute examination of international law.



Kathy Kelly, co-coordinator of Voices for Creative Non-Violence and
three-time Noble Peace Prize nominee, has visited Iraq 28 times in the
last 15 years. She writes:

    "After spending four days in the fortified and secure Green Zone,
in Iraq, during September '06, former Secretary of State James Baker
III assured that the investigative panel he led had not spent any time
"wringing our hands over what mistakes might or might not have been
created in the past." (NYT, September 20, 2006). The "Consumers for
Peace" report on war crimes committed in Iraq helps us understand our
responsibility not to wring our hands but rather to demand
accountability from elected representatives by delivering this report
to them and to local media. How many people killed? How many families
torn apart? How many homes destroyed? How many livelihoods gone? How
many lives ruined? How many cities sacrificed? We bear responsibility
to end the war in Iraq, insist on just reparations for suffering
caused, and promote careful, legal scrutiny of the crimes committed.
This report beckons all who read it to stop collaborating with illegal,
immoral warmongers who recklessly afflict Iraq."



Dahr Jamail, noted independent journalist who spent more than eight
months reporting from occupied Iraq, writes the following about the
report:

    "I cannot endorse strongly enough this report prepared by Karen
Parker regarding U.S. war crimes in Iraq. Having witnessed much of what
is so well documented in this report, it is a clear and encompassing
indictment of the Bush Administration for the war crimes they are
directly responsible for in Iraq. Until evidence such as this begins to
see the light of day in a court of law and the perpetrators brought to
justice, the world remains unsafe and unstable from an administration
determined to rule the world. After witnessing what they are capable of
in Iraq, I have no doubt these people will not stop in their quest for
world domination. Instead, they must be stopped. And the only way to do
that is bring the guilty to justice. This document will help achieve
that goal."



Neil MacKay, multi-award winning Home Affairs and Investigations Editor
of the Sunday Herald (Scotland), writes:

    "What has happened in Iraq is a great sin and a great crime. The
invasion and occupation have stained the concepts of democracy, freedom
and liberty; and disgraced the good name of the people of both the
United States of America and Great Britain. As a journalist who has
investigated the roots of this war, and the on-going horror of what is
happening in Iraq, I fully commend this report to readers. It is an
important reminder of the blood which is on the hands of our leaders,
and the shame that the governments of the UK and the USA have brought
to the British and American people by perpetrating a criminal war in
our name."



Ann Wright, 29 year US Army veteran who retired as a Colonel and US
diplomat who resigned in March, 2003 in opposition to the war in Iraq
commented on the War Crimes Report:

    "While in the US Army at Ft Bragg, NC, I taught to US military
officers and non-commissioned officers the responsibilities of military
forces under the Geneva Convention and the Law of Land Warfare, as well
as the obligations of an Occupying Power.

    The War Crimes Report is an extraordinarily comprehensive and
important presentation of international law that governs the conduct of
nations and their military forces. The Report documents the blatant
violations of international and domestic law by the Bush administration
and US military forces including the use of illegal military tactics
and illegal weapons.

    Because of a huge media failure in the United States, many
Americans do not realize how many times the Bush administration has
violated international law. But, the rest of the world knows very well
the extent of these crimes.

    As a retired military officer, I know that accountability is one of
the foundation elements of the US military. The Bush administration has
undercut the professionalism of our military forces by encouraging and
condoning the violation of international and domestic war in treatment
of detainees, torture and use of illegal tactics and weapons. For the
sake of our own military we must demand accountability from civilian
leaders, as well as our military forces. This report provides specific
mechanisms for much-needed accountability of criminal behaviour by Bush
administration policy makers and by US military forces."



Charles Jenks, human rights attorney (1981), Past President of Traprock
Peace Center (1998-2005) and Chair of its Advisory Board, and
consultant to Consumers for Peace writes:

    This war crimes report accurately and succinctly states the case
that US officials in the Executive Branch and military have committed
grievous war crimes in Iraq. Of course, this is not to say that US
culpability stops at the Executive Branch and military. It was the US
Congress that authorized the Bush Administration to go to war against
Iraq and that has funded the war through every request made by the
Executive Branch.

    In addition to the fact that this was an illegal war to begin with,
the war has been conducted in myriad ways that violate international
humanitarian law, including the use of uranium munitions, chemical
weapons (white phosphorus), cluster bombs, torture, the indiscriminate
killing of civilians and laying waste to cities and the land.

    No treatment of crimes, criminals or atrocities could completely
describe the wrongs of this tragic conflict. This war crimes report
strikes a balance. It manages to be concise at 37 pages, yet has
sufficient scope, factual detail and exposition on the law to be useful
in both considering the war crimes committed, and the grounds and
theories of prosecution for those crimes. Further, it is a treasure
trove of resources, with 120 notes and references.



War Crimes Report publishers (English edition):

Consumers for Peace
http://www.consumersforpeace.org

Association of Humanitarian Lawyers
http://www.humanlaw.org

Traprock Peace Center
http://www.traprockpeace.org

Voices for Creative Nonviolence
http://www.vcnv.org

Uruknet.info
http://www.uruknet.info

Information Clearing House
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info

AfterDowningStreet.org
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org

Socialist Worker newspaper
http://www.socialistworker.org

The Brussells Tribunal (for International Anti-Occupation Network)
http://www.brusselstribunal.org/

Stop the War Coalition (UK)
http://www.stopthewar.co.uk



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From: "Venceremos" 
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>
>   When is the trial taking place?

Do not rush things creepo! All will come in its own time!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:01 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: YEMENITE JEWS: Flee Their Homes following threats by extremists / YOAV STERN - HAARETZ
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torresD wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/816387.html
> Last update - 13:01 22/01/2007
>
>
> Yemenite Jews flee their homes following threats by extremists
>
> By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent
>
> Some 45 Jews of Sa'ada county in
> Yemen left their homes after being
> threatened by radical Muslims,
> the Saudi daily Al Wattan
> reported on Monday.
>
> According to the report,
> the extremists told the Jews
> to leave their homes within ten days,
> after which time they will be exposed
> to abductions and looting.
>
> The Jews moved into a
> hotel in the town of Sa'ada,
> north of the Yemenite capital Sana.
>
> A formal complaint was submitted
> to the Yemenite President Abdullah
> Salah, the report said.
>
>
> The threat message -
> attributed to disciples of
> Shiite-inclined religious
> leader Hossein Bader a-Din al-Khouty -
> said that the Jews are acting in a
> manner that
>
> "primarily serves global Zionism,
>
> which is acting persistently
> to disseminate decay amongst
> the people and to cut them off
> from their principles, values,
> their morals and religion."
>
> The message also said that the
> threats are based on surveillance
> conducted on the Jews, and that
> "Islam calls upon us to fight
> against the disseminators of decay."
>
> Israel Radio on Monday interviewed
> a recently-arrived immigrant from Yemen,
> who identified himself only as Masoud,
> who managed to contact one of the
> women forced out of their homes.
>
> The man was told that the Jewish
> community received letters last
> Friday,
>
> saying "whoever remains at his home,
> will be killed or his children will
> be taken away."
>
> According to Masoud,
> the Jews who fled their
> homes told him
>
> "their condition has worsened,
> they are staying in a hotel,
> and they are scared."
>
> He said that the members of the
> Jewish community are not interested
> in immigrating to Israel,
> and wish to keep living in Yemen.
>
> They blame their strife on
> the oblivious Yemenite government,
> which refuses to offer them assistance.
>
> The Jewish community, say its members,
> does not have efficient communication
> channels with the regime that would
> allow it to influence its actions.
>
> The Jews under threat contacted local
> authorities and demanded fair treatment
> as ordinary Yemenite citizens.
>
> They told the authorities among
> other things that Islam imposes
> taxes on Jews in return for
> protection and security.
>
> The Al Watan report said also that
> last week four masked men approached
> Yehie Moussa Merhavi, member of the
> Jewish community,
>
> to emphasize the will act on their threats.
>
> Merhavi said he was told that if the
> Jews do not leave their homes in two days,
>
> "they will only have themselves to blame"
> for the consequences, which will include
> abductions and looting.
>
> Following the incident,
> the community was forced to
> evacuate the homes in which
> they lived for generations,
>
> and leave their home town under
> the protection of tolerant local
> sheikhs.
>
> "We have been taken out of our homes,
> our money is lost, we cannot provide
> for our children.
>
> We came to the county's capital
> (Sada) to plea before the president
> and the government to treat us fairly,
> because we are Yemenites," Merhavi told Al Watan.
>
> The Jewish community in Yemen consists
> of several hundred members,
>
> who are not interested in leaving it.
>
> The Jews maintain a community life,
> including a cheder for children's
> torah instruction and regularly pray.

I will bet "extremists" happen to be paid by Mossad!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:01 EDT 2007
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> This I would agree with. Since the fence has gone up terrorism has
> dropped dramatically.
 Maybe all countries should be build a 28 foot wall around themselves
with the watchtowers every 100 feet.



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:01 EDT 2007
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drdavez28@yahoo.com wrote:
> Beautiful and functional.  Who knew
 Time will tell if it is functional or not. There used to be another
wall that didn't work worth a shit!



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drdavez28@yahoo.com wrote:
> Beautiful and functional.  Who knew
 Time will tell if it is functional or not. There used to be another
wall that didn't work worth a shit!



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Subject: 250,000 PALESTINIANS IMPRISONED IN THE JEW AUSCHWITZ!
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250,000 Palestinians fenced in, says report

Separation fence closes off 21 Palestinian enclaves, some completely
cut off

Ali waked
Published: 	01.22.07, 12:24

Some 250,000 Palestinians have been closed off from the rest of the
West Bank by the separation fence, according to a report released by
"Bimkom - Planners for Planning Rights" human rights organization.


The report said there were 21 such enclaves and that 8,000 Palestinians
lived in "seam enclaves" stuck between the Green Line and the
separation fence.

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According to the report, there are 21 enclaves in the Palestinian
Territories, home to some 250,000 Palestinians. 8,000 of them live in
"seam enclaves" stuck between the Green Line and the separation fence.


"This population is living behind fences, under a regime of permits and
bans, in an area cut off from the rest of the West Bank's residents,
including friends and first-degree relatives," the report said.


In some areas, the villages are fenced in from three or four angles,
cutting them off from urban centers, sources of livelihood and service
centers, severely harming daily life to the point of disintegration of
the Palestinian society in the area.


The report revealed that in some cases the situation is such that
single homes are disconnected from the towns they belong to, turning
their residents into "guests" in their own homes.


"This forms a horrible situation in which a man living in his home for
decades is forced to get a periodic permit in order to be in the area
were he lives. Without this permit, he is subject to the penalties of
the law - up to five years in prison or a heavy fine," the report
said.


Regarding medical issues, the report showed that: "In order to reach
hospitals in nearby towns, the enclaves' residents must pass through
the fence's gates, which is not possible during the nighttime, meaning
that the time passing before soldiers are called in an emergency could
be the difference between life and death."



Route dictated by settlements

The report also stated that despite the High Court of Justice's ruling
on the fence's route, it is still very much dictated by the
settlements' needs.



The report gives an example of the Palestinian village Bartaa, where
the route of the Fence was changed by three kilometers (about 1.8
miles) beyond the Green Line, mainly in order to give room for the
expansion of the Jewish settlement Rihan, and the construction of a new
settlement called "Rihanit".


Bimkom activist, architect Alon Cohen-Lipschitz said that the route of
the Fence was decided with total disregard to the Palestinian
residents.


Cohen-Lipschitz gave as an example the town of Bir Nabala near
Jerusalem. The enclave formed in the area left 15,000 residents in a
small space surrounded from every direction by the Fence, with only one
underground passageway controlled by a roadblock.


"Upon completion of the fence, access to the educational system and
medical services will become impossible for residents of the enclave,"
said Cohen-Lipschitz, adding that the long-term continued existence of
these enclaves was doubtful.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Foreward to Dr. Finkelstein's 2nd Paperback Ed. of The Holocaust Industry
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jgarbuz wrote:
> Finkelstein is just a money grubbing conspiracy theorist. Like many
> left wing Jewish renegades, he does it for FAME and money, for the most
> part, as well as self-hatred. Anyone can create a conspiracy theory and
> demand that others prove them wrong. Maybe the millions in the
> Holocaust disappeared due to UFO abductions? The fact is, that Swiss
> banks had many accounts of people who disappeared, but when any
> survivor came around to ask for their dead parents' money, the banks
> would demand a death certificat as proof. But the Nazis didn't issue
> death certificates. WHy should Swiss banks be allowed to keep the
> monies of people murdered in the Holocaust, while the few survivors
> could get nothing? What right did the Swiss banks have to it?  It is a
> good thing that part of this money was recovered and redistributed
> amongst Jewish survivors. It was justice. Switzerland prospered during
> the war, while others suffered and died. They had no right to loot the
> money of  murdered people, and think they had the right to get away
> with it.

Are you suggesting that only the Jewish money was stolen by the Nazis?
If you think that you are crazier than I thought. Interestingly enough
it is ONLY Jews who have been repaid triple and with interest!



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 If Australian government does not stop joining the slaughterers of the
world, it may go down with them as a fascist colonial government on the
take of Mr Shrub, the Emperor of evil.



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 Does anyone know a single country whose people are totally against
ZioNazism? I do not!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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joop wrote:
> hi
> i'm looking for jewish music. in which group can i find it.
> great from holland
> joop

There is no such a thing! If Jews did not steal it from gypsies, or the
Russians they stole it from Arabs or someone else. Jews are the most
unproductive people of all. All they know how to do is ripp other
people for money, that is why they do not stay in the stinky Israel,
they have to go outside otherwise they would be ripping other Jews.



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 The article comes from Jerusalem Post



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> Point out anything they say that is anti-American. What is really
> anti-American are the people that you take up for like the Saudis and the
> IranoMullahs.
>
 There are no people on the face of this Earth who are more PRO
AMERICAN THAN THE IRANIANS AND SAUDIS



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250,000 Palestinians fenced in, says report

Separation fence closes off 21 Palestinian enclaves, some completely
cut off

Ali waked
Published: 	01.22.07, 12:24

Some 250,000 Palestinians have been closed off from the rest of the
West Bank by the separation fence, according to a report released by
"Bimkom - Planners for Planning Rights" human rights organization.


The report said there were 21 such enclaves and that 8,000 Palestinians
lived in "seam enclaves" stuck between the Green Line and the
separation fence.

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According to the report, there are 21 enclaves in the Palestinian
Territories, home to some 250,000 Palestinians. 8,000 of them live in
"seam enclaves" stuck between the Green Line and the separation fence.


"This population is living behind fences, under a regime of permits and
bans, in an area cut off from the rest of the West Bank's residents,
including friends and first-degree relatives," the report said.


In some areas, the villages are fenced in from three or four angles,
cutting them off from urban centers, sources of livelihood and service
centers, severely harming daily life to the point of disintegration of
the Palestinian society in the area.


The report revealed that in some cases the situation is such that
single homes are disconnected from the towns they belong to, turning
their residents into "guests" in their own homes.


"This forms a horrible situation in which a man living in his home for
decades is forced to get a periodic permit in order to be in the area
were he lives. Without this permit, he is subject to the penalties of
the law - up to five years in prison or a heavy fine," the report
said.


Regarding medical issues, the report showed that: "In order to reach
hospitals in nearby towns, the enclaves' residents must pass through
the fence's gates, which is not possible during the nighttime, meaning
that the time passing before soldiers are called in an emergency could
be the difference between life and death."



Route dictated by settlements

The report also stated that despite the High Court of Justice's ruling
on the fence's route, it is still very much dictated by the
settlements' needs.



The report gives an example of the Palestinian village Bartaa, where
the route of the Fence was changed by three kilometers (about 1.8
miles) beyond the Green Line, mainly in order to give room for the
expansion of the Jewish settlement Rihan, and the construction of a new
settlement called "Rihanit".


Bimkom activist, architect Alon Cohen-Lipschitz said that the route of
the Fence was decided with total disregard to the Palestinian
residents.


Cohen-Lipschitz gave as an example the town of Bir Nabala near
Jerusalem. The enclave formed in the area left 15,000 residents in a
small space surrounded from every direction by the Fence, with only one
underground passageway controlled by a roadblock.


"Upon completion of the fence, access to the educational system and
medical services will become impossible for residents of the enclave,"
said Cohen-Lipschitz, adding that the long-term continued existence of
these enclaves was doubtful.



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Cazador wrote:
> http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html?pn=1

It is not a mystery at all. They came to United States to help demolish
World Trade Centre and they did.

Here, in Fort Lauderdale, they followed every move of the patsies, and
lived only few hundred yards from them

Without the help of their sayanim ZioNazis could have never
accomplished 911. Did you notice that the owner of the wharehouse where
these creeps "worked" disappeared immediately after 911, and most
importatntly the FBI did not seek his extradition from Israel!



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Cazador wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Does anyone know a single country whose people are totally against
> > ZioNazism? I do not!
>
> Why don't you use an honest selection of words? Do I know a single
> country whose people are not totally against Jews? Yes. The United
> States. Do I know a single country whose people don't all believe that
> all Jews are Zionists and Nazis? Yes, The United States. Do I know any
> country where all people believe such things of Jews? No, I don't. What
> you say here absolute steer sheise. You are a simple minded bigot
> without even minimal intellectual discipline and honesty.

Nonsense! It is the people I am talking about! At least 75% of
Americans wouldn't give ZioNazis time of day!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Cazador wrote:
> "For Alfred Lilienthal, who has devoted his life to the anti-Zionist
> cause, this is the culminating masterwork." -- Foreign Affairs
>
> 	"This book will command wide attention and give rise to considerable
> controversy." -- Publisher's Weekly
>
> "He should be read by everyone concerned with the status of world peace
> regardless of any inherent antipathy to his viewpoint... Since
> principles opposing Lilienthal's insights have left our Middle East
> foreign policy in wreckage for 30 (now over 50) years, his views at
> least deserve the attention of serious readers." -- El Paso Times
>
> "A well-documented study that contains much information that is
> important and generally unknown in the United States. Particularly
> valuable is his discussion of the distorting filter through which the
> Israeli-Arab conflict passes and the policy consequences of these very
> serious misrepresentations."
> -- Noam Chomsky
>
>
> "A timely and provocative study of the competing claims of Israeli
> Zionists and Arab Palestinians to a homeland... an extensive and
> authoritative presentation." -- American Library Assoc., Booklist
>
> Alfred Lilienthal is as knowledgeable as anyone alive about the Middle
> East and its problems... This is a provocative book and provides
> another dimension to a problem that defies a peaceful solution." --
> Toronto Sun
>
> "Lilienthal's sincerity of purpose, scholarliness and objective
> treatment of a subject that really causes frequently unnecessary but
> invariably false labeling and analyses, permeate every chapter. I am
> prepared to acclaim this book enthusiastically." -- General Albert C.
> Wedemeyer	"A prodigious performance. It covers the story of Zionism in
> Palestine from every angle. The amount of research included is amazing
> and authority is quoted for every statement. No viewpoint is
> overlooked. It should be read by every responsible citizen in the
> Western democracies." -- Sir John Glubb (Glubb Pasha)
>
> "An assessment of facts that tell against Israel and the Zionists... a
> readable book for those who have at heart one of the central issues of
> our times." -- National Catholic Register	"This book by a scholar and
> prolific writer is an indispensible source of detail about the central
> issues in the Middle East."-- Events (London Weekly)
>
> "This latest Lilienthal book should be on the night table of every
> American who is alarmed by the loss of integrity in the U.S. and
> justifiably concerned with the welfare of his country." -- Moshe
> Menuhin
>
> "A highly controversial volume which must not be ignored. It should be
> studied by all who seek enlightenment concerning the Middle East, and
> especially by government officials, Congressmen, and Senators." -- The
> Annals of The American Academy
>
> "The Zionist Connection is a valuable book for the points it makes and
> the questions it raises." -- Baltimore Sun
>
> "Facinating and deeply disturbing reading." -- Quaker Life
>
> Four Chapters Presently Available Online:
> See links after the Introduction.
>
>  Contents
>
>    INTRODUCTION
>
>   PART ONE. THE ORIGINAL SIN
>
>  I. Sixty-seven Words: One Man's Dream, Another's Nightmare
>  II. America Picks Up the Torch
>  III. The Creation of Israel Revisited
>
>   PART TWO. THE COVER-UP
>
>  IV. Inside Israel
>  V. What Palestinians?
>  VI. The Jewish Connection: Numbers Don't Count
>  VII. Whose Congress: Thwarting the National Interest
>  VIII. Slanting the Myth-Information
>  XI. Numero Uno: The New York Times
>  X. Terror: The Double Standard
>
>   PART THREE. THE COVER-OVER
>
>  XI. Exploiting Anti-Semitism
>  XII. The Blitz
>  XIII. The Holocaust: Stoking the Fires
>  XIV. Christians in Bondage
>  XV. Soviet Jewry: Blackmail and Barter
>
>   PART FOUR. POLITICS OR POLICY
>
>  XVI. The Eisenhower, Kennedy. and Johnson Years
>  XVII. The Attack on Liberty
>  XVIII. Oil on Troubled Waters: The Nixon Years
>  XIX. War Again
>  XX. The Ford Interlude
>  XXI. Exit Henry Kissinger?
>  XXII. Enter Carter-and Then Begin
>  XXIII. Reagan and Still Begin
>  XXIV. The Ultimate Dichotomy: Israel =DCber Alles?
>  XV. Conclusion: Toward Justice and Then Peace
>
>  Last Word
>  Notes
>  Index

Alfred M Lilienthal is the most prominent American/Jewish ex diplomat,
soldier, r eporter and historian. There is nobody in this country who
can compare with his concise thought, honesty and expertise.

The book you mention was written in 1960's and is most certainly an
authority on the Jewish struggle for their own identity



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 FAT COWS MOVE AROUND VERY LITTLE

AHMADINEJAD HAS NO PROBLEMS AT ALL!



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: 250,000 PALESTINIANS IMPRISONED IN THE JEW AUSCHWITZ!
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xxarag@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> WE WILL KEEP THEM TILL THEY ASK TO GO TO SAUDI!

WHY THEN DO YOU BLAME NAZIS FOR LOCKING YOU BASTARDS UP IN AUSCHWITZ,
IF YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING TO PALESTINIANS?  YOU ARE WORSE THAN
THE NAZIS WERE
>
>
>
> Venceremos wrote:
> > 250,000 Palestinians fenced in, says report
> >
> > Separation fence closes off 21 Palestinian enclaves, some completely
> > cut off
> >
> > Ali waked
> > Published: 	01.22.07, 12:24
> >
> > Some 250,000 Palestinians have been closed off from the rest of the
> > West Bank by the separation fence, according to a report released by
> > "Bimkom - Planners for Planning Rights" human rights organization.
> >
> >
> > The report said there were 21 such enclaves and that 8,000 Palestinians
> > lived in "seam enclaves" stuck between the Green Line and the
> > separation fence.
> >
> > Disputed Route
> > Petition: Separation fence harms Palestinians / Aviram Zino
> > Human rights organization claim new separation fence path in Alfei
> > Menashe area that was changed by High Court ruling still harms
> > Palestinians, call it 'immoral transfer'
> > Full Story
> >
> >
> > According to the report, there are 21 enclaves in the Palestinian
> > Territories, home to some 250,000 Palestinians. 8,000 of them live in
> > "seam enclaves" stuck between the Green Line and the separation fence.
> >
> >
> > "This population is living behind fences, under a regime of permits and
> > bans, in an area cut off from the rest of the West Bank's residents,
> > including friends and first-degree relatives," the report said.
> >
> >
> > In some areas, the villages are fenced in from three or four angles,
> > cutting them off from urban centers, sources of livelihood and service
> > centers, severely harming daily life to the point of disintegration of
> > the Palestinian society in the area.
> >
> >
> > The report revealed that in some cases the situation is such that
> > single homes are disconnected from the towns they belong to, turning
> > their residents into "guests" in their own homes.
> >
> >
> > "This forms a horrible situation in which a man living in his home for
> > decades is forced to get a periodic permit in order to be in the area
> > were he lives. Without this permit, he is subject to the penalties of
> > the law - up to five years in prison or a heavy fine," the report
> > said.
> >
> >
> > Regarding medical issues, the report showed that: "In order to reach
> > hospitals in nearby towns, the enclaves' residents must pass through
> > the fence's gates, which is not possible during the nighttime, meaning
> > that the time passing before soldiers are called in an emergency could
> > be the difference between life and death."
> >
> >
> >
> > Route dictated by settlements
> >
> > The report also stated that despite the High Court of Justice's ruling
> > on the fence's route, it is still very much dictated by the
> > settlements' needs.
> >
> >
> >
> > The report gives an example of the Palestinian village Bartaa, where
> > the route of the Fence was changed by three kilometers (about 1.8
> > miles) beyond the Green Line, mainly in order to give room for the
> > expansion of the Jewish settlement Rihan, and the construction of a new
> > settlement called "Rihanit".
> >
> >
> > Bimkom activist, architect Alon Cohen-Lipschitz said that the route of
> > the Fence was decided with total disregard to the Palestinian
> > residents.
> >
> >
> > Cohen-Lipschitz gave as an example the town of Bir Nabala near
> > Jerusalem. The enclave formed in the area left 15,000 residents in a
> > small space surrounded from every direction by the Fence, with only one
> > underground passageway controlled by a roadblock.
> >
> >
> > "Upon completion of the fence, access to the educational system and
> > medical services will become impossible for residents of the enclave,"
> > said Cohen-Lipschitz, adding that the long-term continued existence of
> > these enclaves was doubtful.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: WAR
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Never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who
embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he
will encounter.
~Winston Churchill

The chain reaction of evil--wars producing more wars -- must be broken,
or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
~Martin Luther King, Jr.

War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily
the most profitable, surely the most vicious.
~General Smedley Butler

Imperialism is an institution under which one nation asserts the right
to seize the land or at least to control the government or resources of
another people.
~John T. Flynn

The great error of nearly all studies of war... has been to consider
war as an episode in foreign policies, when it is an act of interior
politics...
~Simone Weil

We may extend our dominion over the whole continent...but be assured it
will be at the price of our free institutions.
~Rep. William Waters Boyce

I hate war for its consequences, for the lies it lives on and
propagates, for the undying hatreds it arouses...
~Harry Emerson Fosdick

Before the war is ended, the war party assumes the divine right to
denounce and silence all opposition to war as unpatriotic and cowardly.
~Senator Robert M. La Follette

After every ''victory'' you have more enemies.
~Jeanette Winterson

The winds that blow our billions away return burdened with themes of
scorn and dispraise.
~Garet Garrett

I hope....that mankind will at length, as they call themselves
responsible creatures, have the reason and sense enough to settle their
differences without cutting throats...
~Benjamin Franklin

[T]he essence of so-called war prosperity; it enriches some by what it
takes from others. It is not rising wealth but a shifting of wealth and
income.
~Ludwig von Mises

Our children are not born to hate, they are raised to hate.
~Thomas della Peruta

Violence can only be concealed by a lie, and the lie can only be
maintained by violence.
~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests
and his own are the same.
~Marie Beyle

I guess every generation is doomed to fight its war...suffer the loss
of the same old illusions, and learn the same old lessons on its own.
~Phillip Caputo

I hate those men who would send into war youth to fight and die for
them; the pride and cowardice of those old men, making their wars that
boys must die.
~Mary Roberts Rinehart

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.
~George Washington

The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe
for our economy and open to our cultural assault.
~Major Ralph Peters, US Military

For me war has become a flat, black depression without highlights, a
revulsion of the mind and an exhaustion of the spirit.
~Ernie Pyle

Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by
the president or any other public official...
~Theodore Roosevelt

The worst crimes were dared by a few, willed by more and tolerated by
all.
~Tacitus

War's a game, which, were their subjects wise, Kings would not play at.
~William Cowper

Military glory--that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of
blood--that serpent's eye, that charms to destroy...
~Abraham Lincoln

Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in
government.
~Hugo Black, Supreme Court Justice

War is fear cloaked in courage.
~General William Westmoreland

Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it
with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.
~A pirate, from St. Augustine 's "City of God "

What is morally wrong can never be advantageous, even when it enables
you to make some gain that you believe to be to your advantage.
~Marcus Tullius Cicero

We are the ones responsible to determine whether the war that our
marines, soldiers and airmen are fighting in is worth the cause...
~Scott Ritter

I am not blaming those who are resolved to rule, only those who show an
even greater readiness to submit.
~Thucydides



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: NEITHER STAR OF SOLOMON, NOR MENORAH,
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HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JUDAISM

THESE SYMBOLS ARE ANCIENT AND BELONG TO THE CULTURES PREDATING ANTE
DOMINUM PERIOD OF OUR EPOCH



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From: "Venceremos" 
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    That is so smart McVay, SS hauptfurher of Nanaimo. Do you think
that he gives a fuck?



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iraq,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: NATIONAL ANTIWAR MARCH: Ideas and Resources for January 27t
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everywh...@everywhere.com wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:56:36 -0800, Charles & Mambo Duckman
>  wrote:
>
> >everywhere@everywhere.com wrote:
> >> NATIONAL ANTIWAR MARCH: Ideas and Resources for January 27th Local
> >> Coordinators
> >> United for Peace and Justice
> >>
> >> Being a local coordinator can range from spreading the word and
> >> encouraging people to come to DC, to arranging buses, car caravans or
> >> rideshares and helping people find housing in DC, to just hosting a
> >> sign-making party. Here are some ideas and resources to help you (keep
> >> checking back; we'll be posting more):
> >
> >Commendable as your efforts are, you are all farting in the wind. The
> >sixties are over, the man has won and you can't stick it to him, the
> >marching orders have already been dispatched from Tel Aviv and the war
> >machine is in full motion in order to protect the oil profits for the
> >selected few. We can all go fuck ourselves.
>
> This is a rather common attack on progressive forces these days. As
> Bush's popularity and support drop to ever lower levels up pop the
> people who simply announce that reality is the reverse of what it is.
>
> As the antiwar forces win and as the pro-war forces lies keep being
> exposed we see people writing that the antiwar forces must give up
> because they can't win.
>
> We also see the same tired old dishonest propaganda repeated endlessly
> as in the ever-popular rightwing mantra "the 60s are over."
>
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Suppliers are running out of kaffeyahs, most especially the Arafat
type. Get yours early



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Parliament Square was the hub of British democracy.
Thats when Britain was Great.
Thats when the House of Commons meant something.
Thats when Number Ten meant something.
People would come here to blow the whistle if the country was going the
wrong way.

Then - Ariel Sharon Jews flew planes into World Trade Centre
New World Order was fabricated.

Serious Organised Crime and Police Act over Parliament Square
and over Britain was fabricated.
-- Control Orders over what you may and you may NOT have on placard
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT have on leaflet
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT say
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT think
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT imagine.

Fabricated history stinks.
TelAviv - bamboo puppet show in Parliament Square instead
of democracy with peoples characteristics.
Now - New Labour New Fascist Parliament Square stinks.

Please decriminalise my placard & my KnotRope leaflet
and let me continue
blowing the whistle with police permit
in Parliament Square Sundays noon to 4pm

Put New Labour New Fascist Blair in the Tower for TREASON

Links
http://www.muzeumsczytaja.info/index.html
www paul pawlowski KnotRope count



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From: "Venceremos" 
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xxarag@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> SO YOU WANT US TO SAY YES TO IRANIAN NUKE?
I TRUST THE IRANIANS FAR MORE THAN I TRUST THE JEWS

Parliament Square was the hub of British democracy.
Thats when Britain was Great.
Thats when the House of Commons meant something.
Thats when Number Ten meant something.
People would come here to blow the whistle if the country was going the
wrong way.

Then - Ariel Sharon Jews flew planes into World Trade Centre
New World Order was fabricated.

Serious Organised Crime and Police Act over Parliament Square
and over Britain was fabricated.
-- Control Orders over what you may and you may NOT have on placard
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT have on leaflet
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT say
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT think
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT imagine.

Fabricated history stinks.
TelAviv - bamboo puppet show in Parliament Square instead
of democracy with peoples characteristics.
Now - New Labour New Fascist Parliament Square stinks.

Please decriminalise my placard & my KnotRope leaflet
and let me continue
blowing the whistle with police permit
in Parliament Square Sundays noon to 4pm

Put New Labour New Fascist Blair in the Tower for TREASON

Links
http://www.muzeumsczytaja.info/index.html
www paul pawlowski KnotRope count



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WAR
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 Parliament Square was the hub of British democracy.
Thats when Britain was Great.
Thats when the House of Commons meant something.
Thats when Number Ten meant something.
People would come here to blow the whistle if the country was going the
wrong way.

Then - Ariel Sharon Jews flew planes into World Trade Centre
New World Order was fabricated.

Serious Organised Crime and Police Act over Parliament Square
and over Britain was fabricated.
-- Control Orders over what you may and you may NOT have on placard
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT have on leaflet
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT say
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT think
-- Control Orders what you may and what you may NOT imagine.

Fabricated history stinks.
TelAviv - bamboo puppet show in Parliament Square instead
of democracy with peoples characteristics.
Now - New Labour New Fascist Parliament Square stinks.

Please decriminalise my placard & my KnotRope leaflet
and let me continue
blowing the whistle with police permit
in Parliament Square Sundays noon to 4pm

Put New Labour New Fascist Blair in the Tower for TREASON

Links
http://www.muzeumsczytaja.info/index.html
www paul pawlowski KnotRope count



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Foreward to Dr. Finkelstein's 2nd Paperback Ed. of The Holocaust Industry
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z wrote:
> B'inyamin Cramer wrote:
>
> > Have you noticed that at almost every large art auction of late, there's
> > always at least one yid who puts his / her hand up and states that the most
> > expensive painting being auctioned belonged to one of their family members
> > and it was swiped by the Nazis during WWII.
>
> which of course, invariably is proved true.
>
> Bothers the Nazis, who feel that they stole the art fair and square.
And since only Jews had expensive paintings. it must be a Jew painting.



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On Jan 23, 11:39 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
> > Parliament Square was the hub of British democracy.
> > Thats when Britain was Great.
> > Thats when the House of Commons meant something.
> > Thats when Number Ten meant something.
> > People would come here to blow the whistle if the country was going the
> > wrong way.
>
> > Then - Ariel Sharon Jews flew planes into World Trade Centre   Mohammed Atta was an Ariel Sharon Jew?
>
>  Michael

JEWS ENGINEERED THE 911 MASSACRE, THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. MOHAMMED
ATTA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: "ljsprojects" says Jews controlled 19 Muslims on 9/11- real nutcase!
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On Jan 23, 3:06 pm, "tschmidtundert"  wrote:
> tschmidtundert wrote:
> > Frank Arthur wrote:
> > > "ljsprojects"  believes the 19 Muslims who
> > > attacked the WTC on 9/11 were "managed by the Jews".
> > > How sane can "ljsprojects"  be?
>
> > > "ljsprojects"  wrote in message
> > >news:1169572142.685898.253090@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > Michael Ejercito wrote:
> > > >> Venceremos wrote:
> > > >> > Parliament Square was the hub of British democracy.
> > > >> > Thats when Britain was Great.
> > > >> > Thats when the House of Commons meant something.
> > > >> > Thats when Number Ten meant something.
> > > >> > People would come here to blow the whistle if the country was going the
> > > >> > wrong way.
>
> > > >> > Then - Ariel Sharon Jews flew planes into World Trade Centre
> > > >>    Mohammed Atta was an Ariel Sharon Jew?
>
> > > >>  Michael
>
> > > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>
> > > > Use your brain, if you have one. What he means is that Atta and the
> > > > rest were organized and managed by the Jews (Mossad probably). The
> > > > Americans had a similar plan to use against Castro, but it was never
> > > > executed. Bush seems to be the one that gave the go ahead.
>
> > > > T.Schmidt
> > > > P.S. [1] The nazis used similar actions to attack Poland. Read about
> > > > the Reichstag fire.  This is not new, almost two thousand years ago it
> > > > was used by Nero to attack Christian Jews.
> > > > P.S. [2] Use your browser and read the conspiracy theories. They are
> > > > very interesting.
> > > > P.S. [3] How do you explain Hitler's hate against Jews, considering
> > > > that he was a Rothschild?
>
> > ------------------------------------------------
>
> > I think you are half donkey and half ass.
>
> > In Germany everybody knows the 9/11 was done by the CIA. I am just
> > saying that the CIA was not alone, because in my opinion gringos are
> > not that intelligent, but we Jews are really smart. Mossad may have
> > carried the most interesting part: getting the Muslims to commit the
> > actual crime thinking they were hurting the USA.  The fact is that
> > their sacrifice opened the opportunity for Bush to fighta the Muslims.
> > They will think it twice before doing a similar thing, since the CIA
> > propaganda made it work against them.
>
> > T.Schmidt
> > P.S. [1] Look for Andreas von Buelow
> > P.S. [2] The equivalent of  the 9/11 against Castro was called
> > Operation Northwood.  They couldn't get anyone to help, so the CIA
> > forgot about it. Not too smart and/or not too brave, make your choice.
> > Suicidal Arabs were not common then.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>
> Frank
>
> My name is Teddy Schmidt. LJS Projects is the name of my company that
> ceased dto exist years ago. I still use it to help thos who want to
> pume in the kill file
>
> T.Schmidt

Thanks Ted, here in South Florida most people I spoke to know full well
that CIA did the job on 911. Muslims neither had the means nor the
skill for such an operation. There was an operational Mossad cell
located in New jersey masqaraiding as furniture moving service. Many
dozens of Mossad agents were working out of there. Immediately after
911 the owner of the huge warehouse left everything, including t he
million dollar home and left for Israel. Our "investigators" here never
even bothered to extradite the Mossad agents to question them, because
they were obviously in cahhots with them.



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On Jan 23, 3:48 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> Now that Iran is bucking the UN sanctions vis-a-vis not adhering to the
> nuclear proliferation treaty

WHAT AN ARSEHOLE! WHEN DID ISRAEL ADHERE TO ANY SANCTIONS AGAINST IT.
WHEN DID ISRAEL SIGN NPT? IRAN IS ALLOWING INSPECTORS TO GO IN AND
LOOK, BUT ISRAEL CRAP HAS NEVER BEEN INSPECTED.

DIMONA IS CRACKING AND FALLING APART, AND THE RADIATION LEAK IS
AFFECTING JORDAN AS WELL AS ISRAEL!



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Subject: Re: Apartheid, yes Apartheid
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On Jan 23, 6:07 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> That is "no rights" in ALL Muslim countries.
 WHICH MUSLIM COUNTRY HAVE YOU BEEN TO YOU ROTTEN JEW PIG?



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> Please explain to us the fine points of a 'charter of rights and
> freedoms' in any country ruled by an Islamic government.
 
wHICH COUNTRY IS "RULED" BY AN EXCLUSIONARY MUSLIM  GOVERNMENT?



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General Staff document: Large rise in number of rapes in IDF
By Amir Oren

Incidents of reported rape of women soldiers increased significantly in
the first six months of last year, as well as the use of date rape
drugs, a secret General Staff document reveals.

Reported rape incidents rose significantly in the first six months of
2006 - 10 reported rapes of female soldiers on duty and 18 of off-duty
female soldiers - compared to six reported rapes on duty and 13 off
duty throughout 2005.

The rape incidents of women on duty mostly took place during Saturday
while the rapes off duty mostly occurred during or after going out or
partying on Friday or Saturday night, the document says.

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Use of the "date rape drug" - a transparent liquid devoid of taste or
smell typically dropped into the victim's drink - has also increased,
according to the document. The drug causes temporary amnesia, among
other side-effects, "after which the victim finds herself in a dark
alley with no recollection of what happened."

Due to the rise in rape incidents, the IDF has instructed women
soldiers to drink from closed containers and avoid isolated places like
bathrooms, as well as hitch-hiking and being alone with male strangers.



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On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, TUKA  wrote:
> On 2007-01-23, Viejo Vizcacha  wrote:
>
> >http://www.counterpunch.com/avnery01232007.html
>
> >http://www.economist.com/world/africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8571800Sure it is. And the Arabs impose it with their incredibly medieval
> behavior. Note that non-Muslims have ZERO rights in many if not
> most Arab countries.
>
 YOU ARE AN UNEDUCATED IDIOT. MOST OF THE GOVERNMENT HIGH OFFICIALS IN
EGYPT ARE CHRISTIANS, 50% OF THE OFFICER CORPS ARE CHRISTIANS. HAVE YOU
EVER HEARD OF BUTROS GHALI? I GUESS NOT ! HE WAS A SECRETARY OF THE
UNITED NATIONS AND A FOREIGN MINISTER OF EGYPT AND A CHRISTIAN.

UNDER SADDAM FOREIGN MINISTER OF IRAQ WAS A CHRISTIAN, YOU ARE TOO
STUPID TO KNOW HIS NAME.

HOW MANY MUSLIMS ARE GENERALS IN THE US ARMY?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Apartheid, yes Apartheid
Date: 23 Jan 2007 18:31:37 -0800
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On Jan 23, 8:30 pm, "zr"  wrote:
> Almost all of them you rotten croat.

FUCKING LYING JEW PIECE OF SHIT!
 
> > WHICH MUSLIM COUNTRY HAVE YOU BEEN TO YOU ROTTEN JEW PIG?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: DIMONA LEAKING RADIATION, POISONING THE KIKES
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Israeli TV: Radiation Leak at Israel Nuclear Site

    Stewart Stogel
    Tuesday, Nov. 28, 2006



Israel's Channel 2 Television is reporting that a leak of irradiated
water has come from a nuclear "research" reactor in the Negev Desert
city of Dimona.

Channel 2 reports that "high levels of radiation" were detected in
water at a crater just outside the nuclear complex.

Israeli authorities have acknowledged the "incident," but claim that
the water involved is located in a remote area of the Dimona facility
not accessible to the public.

Channel 2 is reporting that the crater containing the radioactive water
has not been secured by Israeli authorities and is accessible by the
public.


Dimona is the site where it is believed that Israel has built more than
200 nuclear warheads over the last 20 years.

It is also the site where, in 1991, Saddam Hussein lobbed several Scud
missiles in an unsuccessful attempt to draw Israel into the 1991 Gulf
War.



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Subject: Re: Whats taking so long to target Iran leader and family
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 I agree the Israeli slob should have been taken care of before he
became a blob of grease



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:19 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: January 24
Date: 24 Jan 2007 05:06:51 -0800
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On Jan 24, 12:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:
> [Follow-ups set]
>
> January 24
>
> 1940
>
> Three Jews in the village of Zelech'ow were stripped bare in 25
> degree weather.  

Sounds like Abu Ghraib to me



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: "WAR ON TERROR" IS BULLSHIT
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London - Britain's top prosecutor set himself at odds with Prime
Minister Tony Blair's government on Wednesday, saying the "war on
terror" does not exist and urging restraint on laws threatening human
rights.

The director of public prosecutions, Ken Macdonald, warned of a
"fear-driven and inappropriate response" to the new threat that
could lead to the abandonment of respect for fair trials and due legal
process.

In a speech to the Criminal Bar Association, reported by the Guardian
newspaper, Macdonald rejected the assertion that a "war on terror" was
being played out in Britain.

"On the streets of London, there is no such thing as a 'war on terror',
just as there can be no such thing as a 'war on drugs', said Macdonald,
who heads the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1169635501425B236



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: BLACKWATER NEEDS FIVE VOLUNTEERS
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Blackwater USA confirmed that five Americans employed by the North
Carolina-based company as security professionals were killed. The
statement from spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell did not provide identities or
any details of the fighting.

5 Dead After U.S. Security Company Helicopter Downed in Iraq 600
Al-Sadr Fighters Captured in Iraq with Key Militant Leaders Iraqi
Insurgents Wore Fake Uniforms in Deadly Attack on GIs Iraqi PM Ceases
Protection of Anti-American Militia Attacks Leave 137 Dead Across Iraq
On Wednesday, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad offered condolences for
the five Americans killed, calling them good men and saying he had
traveled with them.

"We had a very bad day yesterday," Khalilzad told reporters during a
roundtable discussion at the embassy in the heavily fortified Green
Zone in Baghdad. "We lost five fine men."

He said he had traveled with the men who were killed and had gone to
the morgue to view the bodies, although he didn't say where that was.

Khalilzad did not give more details, saying the crash was still under
investigation and it was difficult to know exactly what happened
because of "the fog of war."

Another American official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said
three Blackwater helicopters were involved. One had landed for an
unknown reason and one of the Blackwater employees was shot at that
point, he said. That helicopter apparently was able to take off but a
second one then crashed in the same area, he added without explaining
the involvement of the third helicopter.

The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television reported that the 1920 Revolution
Brigades insurgent group claimed responsibility for shooting down the
helicopter and showed a video taken by a cell phone of a mass of
still-smoldering twisted metal that it was said was the wreckage of the
chopper.

Another Sunni insurgent group, the Ansar al-Sunnah Army, also claimed
responsibility for the same attack and posted identity cards of men who
were on the helicopter on a Web site, including at least two that bore
the name of Arthur Laguna, who was later identified by his mother as
among those killed.

The New York Times reported the helicopter went down as it came under
attack and plummeted to the pavement through a tangle of electrical
wires, but it was unclear if the crash resulted from gunfire, the wires
or an effort to land.

Quoting unnamed American officials, the newspaper said the helicopter's
four-man crew was killed along with a gunner on a second Blackwater
helicopter.

Witnesses in the Fadhil neighborhood told the AP that they saw the
helicopter go down after gunmen on the ground opened fire, possibly
striking the pilot or co-pilot or both. Accounts varied, but all were
consistent that at least one person operating the aircraft had been
shot and badly hurt before the crash.

The helicopter was believed to have been flying escort above a VIP
convoy on the ground as it headed away from the heavily fortified Green
Zone to an undisclosed destination.

A report in the Washington Post, also citing unnamed U.S. officials,
said one of the Blackwater victims was killed as he traveled with the
convoy on the ground.

The Washington-based SITE Institute, which monitors terrorism Web
sites, said in a report on its Web site, that the Ansar al-Sunnah Army
published photos of what it said were the U.S. Embassy badge, credit
cards and dog tags of one of the casualties in the attack.

Among the dead was Arthur Laguna, a 52-year-old pilot for Blackwater
who previously served in the Army and the California National Guard,
his mother, Lydia Laguna, of Rio Linda, Calif., told the AP in a
telephone interview Tuesday night.

She said she received a call from her other son, also a Blackwater
pilot in Baghdad, notifying her of Arthur's death. Laguna said she was
expecting to receive more details of the crash Wednesday.

Blackwater USA provides security for State Department officials in
Iraq, trains military units from around the world, and works for
corporate clients.

"These untimely deaths are a reminder of the extraordinary
circumstances under which our professionals voluntarily serve to bring
freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people," the Blackwater statement
said.

Katy Helvenston, mother of Scott Helvenston, a Blackwater employee who
died in March 2004, said Tuesday's crash "just breaks my heart."

"I'm so sick of these kids dying," she said.

Helvenston was killed, along with Jerko "Jerry" Zovko, Wesley J.K.
Batalona, and Michael R. Teague, when a frenzied mob of insurgents
ambushed a supply convoy they were escorting through Fallujah. The
insurgents burned and mutilated the guards and strung two of the bodies
>from a bridge. The gruesome scene was filmed and broadcast worldwide,
leading the U.S. military to launch a three-week siege of Fallujah.

Before Tuesday's crash, at least 22 employees of Blackwater Security
Consulting or Blackwater USA had died in Iraq as a result of
war-related violence, according to the Web site iCasualties.org, which
tracks foreign troop fatalities in Iraq. Of those, 20 were Americans,
and two were Polish.

The crash of the small surveillance helicopter, believed to be a
version of the Hughes Defender that was developed during the Vietnam
War, was the second associated with the U.S. war effort in Iraq in four
days.

A U.S. Army Blackhawk helicopter went down Saturday northeast of
Baghdad, killing all 12 service members on board. The American military
in Baghdad has refused to confirm a report by a Pentagon official that
debris at the crash site indicated the helicopter was shot out of the
air by a surface-to-air missile.

Relatively few U.S. aircraft have been shot down during the war despite
hundreds, perhaps thousands of flights above Iraq. Helicopters
typically flow fast and low over populated areas, making it extremely
difficult for militant fighters to draw a bead with shoulder-fired
missiles. U.S. fighter jets normally fly at very high altitudes and
usually can be heard screaming through the skies but remain invisible
to the naked eye.

Civilian aircraft that serve Baghdad International Airport use
avoidance techniques that included landing in a steep, circular descent
>from nearly straight overhead the runways. Takeoffs are achieved with
the same technique until passenger jets are out of missile range.

The Blackwater aircraft was at least the 14th helicopter to go down
since the war began in March 2003. The worst incident occurred Jan. 26,
2005, when a U.S. transport helicopter crashed in a sandstorm in
western Iraq, killing 30 Marines and a U.S. sailor.

According to insurance claims on file at the Department of Labor, 770
civilian contractors have been killed in Iraq since the war began in
March 2003, through December 31, 2006. Additionally, 7,761 civilian
contractors have been injured in the same time period, according to
claims on file.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246225,00.htm



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Blackwater USA confirmed that five Americans employed by the North
Carolina-based company as security professionals were killed. The
statement from spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell did not provide identities or
any details of the fighting.

5 Dead After U.S. Security Company Helicopter Downed in Iraq 600
Al-Sadr Fighters Captured in Iraq with Key Militant Leaders Iraqi
Insurgents Wore Fake Uniforms in Deadly Attack on GIs Iraqi PM Ceases
Protection of Anti-American Militia Attacks Leave 137 Dead Across Iraq
On Wednesday, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad offered condolences for
the five Americans killed, calling them good men and saying he had
traveled with them.

"We had a very bad day yesterday," Khalilzad told reporters during a
roundtable discussion at the embassy in the heavily fortified Green
Zone in Baghdad. "We lost five fine men."

He said he had traveled with the men who were killed and had gone to
the morgue to view the bodies, although he didn't say where that was.

Khalilzad did not give more details, saying the crash was still under
investigation and it was difficult to know exactly what happened
because of "the fog of war."

Another American official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said
three Blackwater helicopters were involved. One had landed for an
unknown reason and one of the Blackwater employees was shot at that
point, he said. That helicopter apparently was able to take off but a
second one then crashed in the same area, he added without explaining
the involvement of the third helicopter.

The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television reported that the 1920 Revolution
Brigades insurgent group claimed responsibility for shooting down the
helicopter and showed a video taken by a cell phone of a mass of
still-smoldering twisted metal that it was said was the wreckage of the
chopper.

Another Sunni insurgent group, the Ansar al-Sunnah Army, also claimed
responsibility for the same attack and posted identity cards of men who
were on the helicopter on a Web site, including at least two that bore
the name of Arthur Laguna, who was later identified by his mother as
among those killed.

The New York Times reported the helicopter went down as it came under
attack and plummeted to the pavement through a tangle of electrical
wires, but it was unclear if the crash resulted from gunfire, the wires
or an effort to land.

Quoting unnamed American officials, the newspaper said the helicopter's
four-man crew was killed along with a gunner on a second Blackwater
helicopter.

Witnesses in the Fadhil neighborhood told the AP that they saw the
helicopter go down after gunmen on the ground opened fire, possibly
striking the pilot or co-pilot or both. Accounts varied, but all were
consistent that at least one person operating the aircraft had been
shot and badly hurt before the crash.

The helicopter was believed to have been flying escort above a VIP
convoy on the ground as it headed away from the heavily fortified Green
Zone to an undisclosed destination.

A report in the Washington Post, also citing unnamed U.S. officials,
said one of the Blackwater victims was killed as he traveled with the
convoy on the ground.

The Washington-based SITE Institute, which monitors terrorism Web
sites, said in a report on its Web site, that the Ansar al-Sunnah Army
published photos of what it said were the U.S. Embassy badge, credit
cards and dog tags of one of the casualties in the attack.

Among the dead was Arthur Laguna, a 52-year-old pilot for Blackwater
who previously served in the Army and the California National Guard,
his mother, Lydia Laguna, of Rio Linda, Calif., told the AP in a
telephone interview Tuesday night.

She said she received a call from her other son, also a Blackwater
pilot in Baghdad, notifying her of Arthur's death. Laguna said she was
expecting to receive more details of the crash Wednesday.

Blackwater USA provides security for State Department officials in
Iraq, trains military units from around the world, and works for
corporate clients.

"These untimely deaths are a reminder of the extraordinary
circumstances under which our professionals voluntarily serve to bring
freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people," the Blackwater statement
said.

Katy Helvenston, mother of Scott Helvenston, a Blackwater employee who
died in March 2004, said Tuesday's crash "just breaks my heart."

"I'm so sick of these kids dying," she said.

Helvenston was killed, along with Jerko "Jerry" Zovko, Wesley J.K.
Batalona, and Michael R. Teague, when a frenzied mob of insurgents
ambushed a supply convoy they were escorting through Fallujah. The
insurgents burned and mutilated the guards and strung two of the bodies
>from a bridge. The gruesome scene was filmed and broadcast worldwide,
leading the U.S. military to launch a three-week siege of Fallujah.

Before Tuesday's crash, at least 22 employees of Blackwater Security
Consulting or Blackwater USA had died in Iraq as a result of
war-related violence, according to the Web site iCasualties.org, which
tracks foreign troop fatalities in Iraq. Of those, 20 were Americans,
and two were Polish.

The crash of the small surveillance helicopter, believed to be a
version of the Hughes Defender that was developed during the Vietnam
War, was the second associated with the U.S. war effort in Iraq in four
days.

A U.S. Army Blackhawk helicopter went down Saturday northeast of
Baghdad, killing all 12 service members on board. The American military
in Baghdad has refused to confirm a report by a Pentagon official that
debris at the crash site indicated the helicopter was shot out of the
air by a surface-to-air missile.

Relatively few U.S. aircraft have been shot down during the war despite
hundreds, perhaps thousands of flights above Iraq. Helicopters
typically flow fast and low over populated areas, making it extremely
difficult for militant fighters to draw a bead with shoulder-fired
missiles. U.S. fighter jets normally fly at very high altitudes and
usually can be heard screaming through the skies but remain invisible
to the naked eye.

Civilian aircraft that serve Baghdad International Airport use
avoidance techniques that included landing in a steep, circular descent
>from nearly straight overhead the runways. Takeoffs are achieved with
the same technique until passenger jets are out of missile range.

The Blackwater aircraft was at least the 14th helicopter to go down
since the war began in March 2003. The worst incident occurred Jan. 26,
2005, when a U.S. transport helicopter crashed in a sandstorm in
western Iraq, killing 30 Marines and a U.S. sailor.

According to insurance claims on file at the Department of Labor, 770
civilian contractors have been killed in Iraq since the war began in
March 2003, through December 31, 2006. Additionally, 7,761 civilian
contractors have been injured in the same time period, according to
claims on file.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246225,00.htm



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: "WAR ON TERROR" IS BULLSHIT
Date: 24 Jan 2007 14:11:42 -0800
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On Jan 24, 12:25 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 24, 5:24 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> London - Britain's top prosecutor set himself at odds with Prime
> > Minister Tony Blair's government on Wednesday, saying the "war on
> > terror" does not exist and urging restraint on laws threatening human
> > rights.  So then the collapse of the World Trade Center was a hoax? The London
> bombings were a hoax?
>
>  Michael

Colapse of the World Trade Center was the work of the Zionist and
Neocons, to give them an excuse to attack peaceful people of the world.
Everybody knows that, Everywhere! Just stop any European or Canadian or
mexican on the street and ask him who blew t he WT C in, they will tell
you!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: WAR
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On Jan 24, 12:13 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 23, 3:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 23, 11:39 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > Venceremos wrote:
> > > > Parliament Square was the hub of British democracy.
> > > > Thats when Britain was Great.
> > > > Thats when the House of Commons meant something.
> > > > Thats when Number Ten meant something.
> > > > People would come here to blow the whistle if the country was going the
> > > > wrong way.
>
> > > > Then - Ariel Sharon Jews flew planes into World Trade Centre   Mohammed Atta was an Ariel Sharon Jew?
>
> > >  Michael
> >JEWS ENGINEERED THE 911 MASSACRE, THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. MOHAMMED
> > ATTA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT   So where is he now?
>
>    How come no one seems to be able to find him?

Tell me about it and we will both know.Experts all over the world,
pilots and enguineers, all agree that the World Trade Centre was blown
up using thermite or other high temp explosive
> 
>  Michael



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Hamas' Unreality Check
Date: 24 Jan 2007 15:48:49 -0800
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On Jan 24, 12:40 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> A Reuters interview with Syrian-based Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal has
> generated some excited headlines implying a softening of Hamas' position
> regarding recognition of Israel. Needless to say, this was not the case.

DO YOU KNOW WHY PALESTINIANS SHOULD RECOGNIZE ISRAEL, IF ISRAEL DOES
NOT RECOGNIZE THE RIGHT OF PALESTINE TO EXIST OR HAVE THEIR LANDS BACK
AS DECREED BY THE UNITED NATIONS?



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:23 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: ISRAEL: Our Eggs in Hillary's Basket - HAARETZ
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 Massacre of Jenin took lives of more than 500 Palestinians. United
Nations investigang team sat  in Cyprus for two weeks waiting for the
Israel's permission to enter Jenin and investigate the massacre. That
permission was DENIED by Israel. If Israel did not comit genocide in
Jenin, they could have easily proved that fact by allowing the UN team
in.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: JEW WHO LEADS AL-QAEDA
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Twenty-eight-year-old California native Adam Yahiye Gadahn (aka Azzam
the American) recently appeared on an al-Qaida video with al-Qaida's
number two man, Ayman al-Zawahiri.


Adam Yahiye Gadahn
Adam Yahiye Gadahn


In the video Gadahn, looking like a bearded Pillsbury Doughboy in his
white robe and turban, challenged American soldiers to convert to
Islam.

"Instead of killing yourself for Bush ... why not surrender to the
truth [of Islam], escape from the unbelieving army, and join the
winning side? Time is running out, so make the right choice before it's
too late," he said.



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Subject: Re: Apartheid, yes Apartheid
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On Jan 24, 7:49 pm, "Stan"  wrote:
> "Roedy Green"  wrote in messagenews:lktfr2l0cv8g246nl676jmn5mf27d49ouh@4ax.com...
> (snipped)> In Israel there are lockdowns one day in three.  There are
> > checkpoints, sometimes as many as 8 in a block where Palestinians have
> > to show papers to Israeli guards just to visit a friend. There is no
> > education at all for Palestinians. You mean...Palestinians can be educated?

Some of the finest scholars in United States, in industruy, high
education and even at NASA are Palestinians



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Haredi women moving up - Yifat Glick - YETNEWS
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On Jan 24, 10:41 am, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356394,00.html
>
> "Why should a woman with children
> and a baby carriage be forced to
> stand when there are plenty of
> empty seats on the bus?" Ragen asked.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356394,00.html
> Haredi women moving up
>
> Haredi women sick of sitting
> in back of segregated buses,
> file a petition with High
> Court to change situation
>
> Yifat Glick Published:  01.24.07, 14:32
>
> Haredi women have decided
> they're sick of keeping kosher.
>
> Ten years after Egged and Dan bus
> companies came up with the 'kosher'
> bus lines -
>
> which require female passengers to
> sit in a separate section at the
> back of the bus -
>
> a campaign is being launched
> to fight the segregation.
>
> Five women,
> among them haredi author Naomi Ragen,
> will file a petition with Israel's High Court,
> claiming that such segregation is illegal
> and humiliating.
>
> "We're sick of sitting
> in the back of haredi buses.
>
> We prefer to sit up front,"
> they wrote.
>
> The petition describes a
> personal experience by Ragen
> in July 2004 while on a 'kosher'
> bus line,
>
> coincidentally the only direct bus
> line from central Jerusalem to her
> neighborhood of residence.
>
> At first,
> the bus was empty and Ragen
> sat alone in a seat up front.
>
> As the bus filled with passengers,
> haredi men came up to her and
> demanded harshly that she move
> to the back of the bus.
>
> Ragen, unaware that it was a haredi bus,
> responded that she had seen no sign
> requiring her to sit in a
> specific location.
>
> Furthermore,
> she said, as a religious woman,
> she knew that there was no Jewish
> law forbidding her from sitting
> wherever she pleased.
>
> Forced to stand, even when bus half-empty
>
> From that moment, Ragen said,
> she was verbally abused.
>
> At every bus stop,
> the incoming haredi male
> passengers yelled at her.
>
> There was even one man who
> threatened her with physical
> harm.
>
> "He treated me exactly as if I
> were a black woman in the United
> States South 50 years ago," recounted Ragen.
>
> "It was very humiliating."
>
> According to the petitioners,
> the separation becomes even more
> enraging when the male section of
> the bus is almost empty,
>
> while the female section is overcrowded.
>
> At such times, the petitioners said,
> the men still prevent women from
> crossing over to "their side".
>
> "Why should a woman with children
> and a baby carriage be forced to
> stand when there are plenty of
> empty seats on the bus?" Ragen asked.
>
> Ragen added that,
> because there are no signs on the buses,
> women have no way of knowing whether
> they are 'kosher' or not.
>
> The petition will also complain
> that the Ministry of Transportation
> is avoiding the issue,
>
> using the excuse that it has
> no jurisdiction over private
> bus companies.
>
> By ignoring the issue,
> "(the Ministry) is lending a hand to
> discrimination against women and to
> violence against women who do not
> submit to such discrimination,
> as well as against men who choose
> to sit next to their spouses,"
> the petitioners said.
>
> "In the current format,
> the haredi bus lines are illegal,
> since they harm democratic rights
> and principles.
>
> The separation between the sexes
> sends a message of inferiority to
> women and we insist that the Ministry
> of Transportation become involved and
> address the issue immediately,"
> they concluded.
>
> The petition will be submitted
> by attorney Orli Erez-Lehovsky,
> from the Israel Religious Action
> Center,
>
> which is affiliated with
> Israel's Reform Movement.

And bloody ZioNazis dare to suggest that muslim women are treated
"harshly"!



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Synopsis: US-based Daniel Patrick Welch reacts with expected horror to
George Bush's surreal State of the Union address. Democrats, he
notes, don't appear willing or able to stop the runaway train. With
no cavalry riding to the rescue, Welch turns to familiar metaphors to
describe a new despair.

Daniel Patrick Welch http://danielpwelch.com

It strikes me how little of George Bush's bullshit I can actually
stomach as time goes on. It's a little bit like THC, which builds up
in the bloodstream so that it takes less and less exposure to achieve
the narcotic effect. Or more like the Monty Python sketch, where the
funniest joke imaginable was translated only one word at a time into
German to be used as a secret weapon against the Nazis. One translator
accidentally translated an entire phrase and spent several months in
hospital.

But it only takes a glimpse, or rather, a whiff, to get the full effect
of the Mouthpiece of Empire's unschooled blather to see where this is
all heading. No surprise, the train is headed off the tracks, and we
had all better jump out now, mug the brakeman, or follow headlong off
the cliff. The Boy in the Bubble speaks in what may be the most
hermetically sealed bubble of all, the US Congress: "I ask you to
support our troops in the field, and those on their way."

The pointed reference to 'those on their way' combined with all the
references to what Iraq 'must' do, is enough insight, as if any
more were needed, to show that our unhinged Dear Leader is off the
reservation and out hunting reality on his own. Another reference pops
into mind, this time of General Jack Ripper's message as read by Buck
Turgeson in Dr. Strangelove. I've sent the wing to attack the
Russians, "and you sure as hell won't stop them now!" We will
prevail, in the purity of essence of our natural fluids.

True to form, the Congress gives yet another grim and unsmiling
standing ovation, snapping dutifully to attention at the mention of
supporting our troops, at least until their post-traumatic stress-
ridden, DU-soaked, limbless bodies are shipped home, with or without
the superpathogen cooked up in army field hospitals. How did these guys
ever get away with making fun of the Politburo for so long? I see a
bunch of paunchy old white guys barely stirring from their catatonia
long enough to rubber stamp the diktats of other paunchy old white
guys, all a bit too sclerotic to dance even at their own War Party.

What exactly is it that the opposition has to contribute? A stream of
useless nonbinding resolutions and handwringing rhetoric aimed at
blunting the "mandate" they got from a war-weary public on November 7?
Throwing Jimmy Carter under the bus for having the temerity to suggest
that maybe, just maybe, it is the land-grab of Palestinian territory
and decades of abuse that lies at the center of the mideast conflict?
Silly malaise-ridden Jimmy. He must be an anti-semite. Bellicose, if
confusing, musings from the party chairman about how Iran is the real
threat, rather than Iraq? Translation: if Democrats were in power, we
would have kept our powder dry to launch a murderous rampage against a
totally different country!

Congress could stop this insanity in a minute, despite all the
crocodile tears about the power they don't have. And here we go into
election season: a fresh crop of sharp-elbowed overachievers with money
to raise, asses to cover, and focus groups to please. Don't count on
this crowd to stop the impending hell of ever expanding war. Their
pockets are lined with the same cash that keeps the war machine
humming. Impeachment is the only real remedy for a president who thinks
he is above the law. But of course, that isn't in the cards, or even
"on the table." Nancy Pelosi's house must be a mess, strewn as it is
with things that are "off the table." No, I'm afraid that hope is a
scarce commodity at this point. But it could be the state of the union
and the bourbon talking. Maybe we'll scrounge up some hope before
there's nothing left to do but grab hold, like Slim Pickens, and ride
the missile all the way down.

=A9 2007 Daniel Patrick Welch. Reprint permission granted with credit
and link to http://danielpwelch.com. Writer, singer, linguist and
activist Daniel Patrick Welch lives and writes in Salem, Massachusetts,
with his wife, Julia Nambalirwa-Lugudde. Together they run The
Greenhouse School http://www.greenhouseschool.org. Translations of
articles are available in up to 20 languages. Links to the website are
appreciated at http://danielpwelch.com.


By : Daniel Patrick Welch
January Wednesday 24 2007



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: RADIACTIVE, POLLUTED, UNLIVABLE WORLD IS THE LEGACY OF USA
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Continue to contaminate your bed, and you will one night suffocate in
your own waste. Your destiny is a mystery to us.



- Chief Seattle leader of the Duwanish tribe
in Washington Territory in an 1854 letter
to U.S. President Franklin Pierce to mark
transfer of ancestral Indian lands to the
United States



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: "WAR ON TERROR" IS BULLSHIT
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> > Everybody knows that, Everywhere! Just stop any European or Canadian or
> > mexican on the street and ask him who blew t he WT C in, they will tell
> > you!   All of the news outlets say it was Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
>
>  Michael
All of the news outlets in Nazi Germany said that Hitler was winning
right until Russians knocked on their door!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: "WAR ON TERROR" IS BULLSHIT
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On Jan 25, 2:51 am, r...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson) wrote:
> In article ,
>
> B'inyamin Cramer  wrote:
> > WHAT MOTIVATED THE 9/11 HIJACKERS TO ATTACK THE U.S.?   "Ben",  what motivated terrorists to incinerate a 100 of
> your compatriots in Bali?
>
>    "Ben",  what motivated them to plan terror attacks
> in Denmark?
Jewish occupation of Palestine & Iraq
>
>    "Ben",  what motivated them to carry out numerous terror
> attacks in India?
Jewish occupation of Palestine & Iraq
>
>    "Ben",  what motivates them to murder about 100 other
> Muslims in Iraq,  every day?
Jewish occupation of Palestine & Iraq
>
>    "Ben",  what motivated Al-Zawahiri (Al Qaeda's second-in-
> command) to demand that Spain become a Muslim country?
Jewish occupation of Palestine & Iraq
> 
>    Well,  "Ben"?
> 
> RJ.



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On Jan 25, 6:35 am, r...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson) wrote:
> In article ,
>
> B'inyamin Cramer  wrote:   (snip drivel)
>
>    At just what age did you become a nazi,  "Ben"?  The following
> suggests it was quite early:
>
>    "When I was very much younger, a band I was in played the
> Horst Wessel lied at the Concordia club in Mt. Isa" -- posted
> by "Ben Cramer",  Message-ID: .
>
>    ("Horst Wessel Lied" was the anthem of the Nazi Party)
> 
> RJ.
SO WHAT? KISS HIS ARSE!



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 ANY TIME IT WANTS TO



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 "War on poverty"

"War on drugs"

"war on unemployment"

"war on abortion"

and now; we bring you

"WAR ON TERROR"

Which simply means that we will prosecute every terrorist on the face
of globe, starting with George Bush..



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On Jan 25, 12:37 pm, "reporter01"  wrote:
> U.S. ON THE WAY TO FASCISM?
>
> Well it's true that Sharia law actually is fascist but you moslems
> and your fellow tyranny lovers havent even enacted sharia in your
> enclaves yet. You have long way to go JEWeler.

Who said anything about Sharia?And you obviously know nothing about it.
The tyranny that is coming will be no different what old Adolf handed
out to Germans and others. Keep watching.



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THE PROBLEM IS THAT iSRAEL HAS NEVER EXISTED, IT EXISTS ON THE STOLEN
OCCUPIED LAND, AND WILL NEVER EXIST EVEN HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW,
BECAUSE IT IS A FASCIST ENTITY BASED ON APARTHEID, SLAVERY AND
GANGSTERISM



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  Middle East.   And what motivated them to attack Britain? Or Spain?
>
>  Michael

All attacks are engineered by Zionists and their sayanim in order to
provoke a reaction, just like 911 was!



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ThThis country exists because of the French fighting man, you stupid
uneducated Jew!



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 ISRAEL HAS NOTHING TO OFFER ANYONE, ALL THE LANDS IT HAS ARE OCCUPIED.
EVEN IF YOU SCUM OCCUPY THEM FOR 500 YEARS THEY STILL WILL NOT BE YOURS!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 That is all they are both good for



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: YEAH, SURE, I SEE MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE PLACE MARCHING WITH THE PLACARDS
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 "WE WANT SHARIA, NOW!"



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:35 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: JEWNITED STATES IS RULED BY KIKES
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So how bad is the Zionist influence in America? Well, consider this:
the Jewish population of America is about 5 million people, which is a
little over one percent of the total population, and keep in mind that
not all Jews are Zionists- many Jews are anti-Zionist- we end up with a
percentage of less than one who actually control the government, the
media, and the financial aspects of America.  Let's take a look at
where some (few) of these people are:  Paul Dundes Wolfowitz - not
long ago was the  Deputy Secretary, Department of Defense and now
President of the World Bank, Richard Perle - Assistant Secretary of
Defense for International Security Policy, Ari Fleischer - was White
House Press Secretary and a director of World Jewish Congress, Josh
Bolten  - Deputy Chief of Staff, Ken Melman - White House Political
Director, Jay Lefkowitz - Deputy Assistant to the President and
Director of the Domestic Policy Council, Daniel Fried - Special
Assistant to President and Senior Director for European and Eurasian
Affairs, David Frum - Speechwriter-wrote the axis of evil speech-,
Brad Blakeman - White House Director of Scheduling( he decides who sees
Bush and who doesn't), Dov Zakheim - Undersecretary of Defense
(Controller), decides where the money goes,  I. Lewis Libby - Chief of
Staff to the Vice President, should be tried for treason for exposing
Valerie Plame, a CIA agent, Elliott Abrams , an Israeli- now Director
of the National Security Council's Office for Near East affairs,
that's the office  overseeing  the U.S. Middle East policy. Abrams'
appointment is viewed as "a gift from heaven" for 'Israel.' , Douglas
Feith - an Israeli,was Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and was
responsible for making up the big lies about Iraq buying Uranium from
Africa, very close to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Michael
Chertoff - Homeland Security Secretary, Allen Greenspan, Federal
Reserve Chairman, a private firm that controls ALL financial aspects of
the country, and many, many more. You can see some of them in this
partial list. Add to that, most Ambassadors to Europe and to countries
that count, plus most advisors on the National Security Council and
other sensitive government positions. This gang and others were the
ones who conned America into going to war against Iraq for Israel with
a price tag of over 1700 American lives lost, and 400 billions of hard
earned American money, and a loss of over 200 years of reputation
building.

Senator William Fullbright of Arkansas who served until 1975 said, "
Israel   controls the United States Senate. Around 80 percent are
completely in support of Israel; what Israel wants it gets. Jewish
influence in the House of Representatives is even greater."  This was
back in the Seventies, now they wield partial to total control over 95
Senators and all 435 members of the House except maybe 23. Listen to
Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
" I've never seen a President- I don't care who he is- stand up
to them (Jews). They always get what they want, If the American people
understood what a grip these people have got on our government, they
would rise up in arms."  Paul Findley, a US Congressman for 22 years
noted on the subject that:

 " Israel is able to stifle free speech, control our Congress, and
even dictate our foreign policy."



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 So how bad is the Zionist influence in America? Well, consider this:
the Jewish population of America is about 5 million people, which is a
little over one percent of the total population, and keep in mind that
not all Jews are Zionists- many Jews are anti-Zionist- we end up with a
percentage of less than one who actually control the government, the
media, and the financial aspects of America.  Let's take a look at
where some (few) of these people are:  Paul Dundes Wolfowitz - not
long ago was the  Deputy Secretary, Department of Defense and now
President of the World Bank, Richard Perle - Assistant Secretary of
Defense for International Security Policy, Ari Fleischer - was White
House Press Secretary and a director of World Jewish Congress, Josh
Bolten  - Deputy Chief of Staff, Ken Melman - White House Political
Director, Jay Lefkowitz - Deputy Assistant to the President and
Director of the Domestic Policy Council, Daniel Fried - Special
Assistant to President and Senior Director for European and Eurasian
Affairs, David Frum - Speechwriter-wrote the axis of evil speech-,
Brad Blakeman - White House Director of Scheduling( he decides who sees
Bush and who doesn't), Dov Zakheim - Undersecretary of Defense
(Controller), decides where the money goes,  I. Lewis Libby - Chief of
Staff to the Vice President, should be tried for treason for exposing
Valerie Plame, a CIA agent, Elliott Abrams , an Israeli- now Director
of the National Security Council's Office for Near East affairs,
that's the office  overseeing  the U.S. Middle East policy. Abrams'
appointment is viewed as "a gift from heaven" for 'Israel.' , Douglas
Feith - an Israeli,was Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and was
responsible for making up the big lies about Iraq buying Uranium from
Africa, very close to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Michael
Chertoff - Homeland Security Secretary, Allen Greenspan, Federal
Reserve Chairman, a private firm that controls ALL financial aspects of
the country, and many, many more. You can see some of them in this
partial list. Add to that, most Ambassadors to Europe and to countries
that count, plus most advisors on the National Security Council and
other sensitive government positions. This gang and others were the
ones who conned America into going to war against Iraq for Israel with
a price tag of over 1700 American lives lost, and 400 billions of hard
earned American money, and a loss of over 200 years of reputation
building.

Senator William Fullbright of Arkansas who served until 1975 said, "
Israel   controls the United States Senate. Around 80 percent are
completely in support of Israel; what Israel wants it gets. Jewish
influence in the House of Representatives is even greater."  This was
back in the Seventies, now they wield partial to total control over 95
Senators and all 435 members of the House except maybe 23. Listen to
Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
" I've never seen a President- I don't care who he is- stand up
to them (Jews). They always get what they want, If the American people
understood what a grip these people have got on our government, they
would rise up in arms."  Paul Findley, a US Congressman for 22 years
noted on the subject that:

 " Israel is able to stifle free speech, control our Congress, and
even dictate our foreign policy."



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Joe Biden, jew Stooge.
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MOST OF THEM ARE JEW STOOGES
This is a chapter from Neil Mackays excellent book 'The War On Truth'.
Neil is the journalist who first broke the PNAC 'Rebuiling Americas
Defences' story. It is copyright to himself but he does encourage folk
to 'stick bits of it up on the Internet'.

DON'T FUCK WITH US!
or
How to get ruined by the Bush White House for proving the Prez lied
over Iraqi nukes

How did a man like Ambassador Joseph C Wilson IV - a man who George
Bush Senior called an all-American hero - end up Public Enemy Number
One in the eyes of George W Bush's administration? And why did Wilson's
wife, an undercover CIA agent, end up having her life put at risk by
someone very, very close to Dubya inside the White House? You must be
able to guess what the answer is by now, surely? It's quite simple
really: the Wilsons proved that Bush and his mob were a bunch of liars,
and in return got one almighty kicking from the White House.

The story of how the Bush administration tried to destroy two of the
most patriotic servants of America in the country today goes back, as
everything does in this tale, to the wild and ridiculous claims about
Saddam's WMD capabilities that were pouring out of Whitehall and the
White House in the run-up to war. In this case, the claim centred on
Iraq trying to buy 500 tonnes of uranium from the African state of
Niger _ that's enough to make 50 nukes.

It all begins in February 1999. It was then that Wissam al-Zahwaie, the
Iraqi ambassador to the Holy See in Rome, set off on a series of rather
unglamorous diplomatic jaunts to a number of African countries
including Niger - a nation known for its prodigious exports of goats,
onions and ... uranium.

Sometime after the Iraqi ambassador's trip to Niger, Italy's Military
Intelligence and Security Service, SISMI, came into possession of some
highly suspect documents purporting to show that Saddam was after Niger
uranium. Details of Iraq's attempt to buy yellowcake (uranium ore) and
copies of the documents were handed by SISMI to Britain's MI6 which in
turn passed them to America's CIA, some time after September 11, 2001
but before the end of October of the same year. The information was
pure gold and soon caught the eye of arch chicken hawk Dick Cheney.
These totally unsubstantiated claims 'proved' in Cheney's eyes that
Saddam was trying to reconstitute his nuclear weapons programme. Or, at
least, in the VP's opinion, the dubious allegations might convince the
average blue-collar American that that was what Saddam was up to. And
if that's what Saddam really was up to, well then who could possibly
disagree with the Brits and Yanks blowing the daylights out of his
country? There was just one hitch, though. The entire claim that Saddam
was trying to buy uranium was balderdash of the highest order and the
documents were childish forgeries. Concerns were raised about the
intelligence almost immediately, with the CIA thinking it was totally
without credibility, and analysts over at the State Department's Bureau
of Intelligence and Research equally sceptical.

Do you think that worried Bush and Blair, though? Not a chance. Here's
what Blair's infamous dossier called Iraq's Weapons of Mass
Destruction: !he Assessment of the British government, said on
September 24, 2002: 'There is intelligence that Iraq has sought the
supply of significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Iraq has no
active civil nuclear power programme of nuclear plants and, therefore,
has no legitimate reason to acquire uranium.' The only reason that
Blair did not directly name Niger as the source country for the uranium
was that the CIA told him that its spooks were uneasy with the value of
the Italian intelligence. Jack Straw, the British Foreign Secretary
until mid-2006, has confirmed that the CIA 'expressed reservations to
us about the Niger element in the September dossier'. Hard as it may be
to believe this, Blair - the last man standing as ever - still claims
that Iraq sought uranium from Niger. It's not yet clear if the Prime
Minister still believes in Father Christmas or babies being delivered
by storks but it's quite likely given his track record. Britain has
said that it has separate intelligence to back up the Niger-Iraq claim.
So far, it hasn't been produced.

A highly placed source in the International Atomic Energy Agency - the
IAEA, which is the UN's nuclear inspection team - told me: 'As far as I
know, the only other evidence Britain has about the Niger connection is
based on intelligence coming from other western countries which saw the
same forgeries. Blair's claim that he has other evidence is nonsense.
These foreign intelligence agencies are basing their claims on the same
forgeries as the Brits.' The Foreign Office has admitted that the other
evidence to support the Niger connection does not include 'any
UK-originated material'. In other words, the Brits are claiming that
reports compiled by foreign intelligence services - probably Italy's
SISMI - on the fake Niger documents, are fresh evidence to support the
Niger connection. It's pitiful and mad ... and dangerous. And it should
be criminal.

A few months after the British dossier slithered into public view, the
US government reiterated the claim in a fact sheet dated December
19,2002. It was headed Illustrative Examples of Omissions from the
Iraqi Declaration to the United Nations Security Council, and in it,
under the heading 'Nuclear Weapons', it reads: 'The declaration ignores
efforts to procure uranium from Niger. Why is the Iraqi regime hiding
their uranium procurement?' Yet, just a few months earlier, in October
2002, a classified national intelligence estimate from the State
Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research said: 'Finally, the
claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are, in (our)
assessment, highly dubious.'

Nevertheless, George W Bush took the lunatic allegations into the
stratosphere when he uttered these now infamous 16 words during his
State of the Union address, on January 28,2003: 'The British government
has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities
of uranium from Africa.' Bush didn't stop there, though. Oh no. He went
on to say that there would be 'mushroom clouds' unless Saddam was
stopped. Senior CIA officers tried to prevent Bush making these
ridiculous comments, in what one British intelligence source described
to me as 'a wise attempt at an ass-saving manoeuvre'. In fact, on
October 6,2002, the CIA faxed the White House stating: 'The Africa
story is overblown.' George Tenet, the CIA director, stopped Bush
mentioning Niger during a speech in Ohio, and even told the Deputy
National Security Advisor that the President 'should not be a fact
witness on this issue ... (as) the reporting was weak'. But in the end,
under pressure from the politicians, the spineless and whipped CIA
decided to sign-off on the text. The best the CIA chiefs could do was
tell themselves that if they got rumbled then what Bush had said could
be blamed on the stupid Brits. After the inevitable rumbling, that's
precisely what happened. The CIA, said George Tenet, 'concurred that
the text in the speech was factually correct, ie that the British
government report said that Iraq sought uranium from Africa'. Tenet
added: 'This did not rise to the level of certainty which should be
required for presidential speeches, and the CIA should have ensured
that it was removed.' The poor bastards in the CIA were going to get a
whuppin' whatever they did. If they tried to get the claim taken out,
then they were lily-livered cowards and failures as spies; but if they
left it in then it was Tenet and his boys and girls over at Langley
who'd carry the can for the catastrophic cock-up. The CIA had a little
more success warning Secretary of State, Colin Powell, not to include
claims about Iraq getting uranium from Niger in his spectacularly
stupid address to the UN in February 2003 on the threat posed by
Saddam. You must remember that address - Powell sure didn't make any
comments about Niger but you might recall him waving pretend vials of
anthrax about and showing us satellite images of Saddam's non-existent
WMD on the move.

Bush's 16 slippery words were a beautiful exercise - nay, a master
class in double-speak. 'The British government has learned that Saddam
Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.'
The phraseology kept US intelligence out of the picture, the sentence
didn't refer to those dodgy documents or any evidence at all - just
British speculation _ and yet the comment still got the threat out
there big-style. The phrasing of the sentence meant that the lie could
be told that Saddam was after African uranium with the President
avoiding any blame for the lie. In fact, to make it even more perfect,
all the blame would go to his little sidekick over in Downing Street,
London.

Now these wild Niger claims by Bush and Blair gave a few people some
pause for thought - not least the International Atomic Energy Agency
The IAEA had said that Saddam was nuke-free - basing its claim on the
fact that Britain and America bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities into
dust during the First Gulf War. In October 1997, the !AEA issued a
report stating: 'There are no indications that there remains in Iraq
any physical capability for the production of amounts of weapon-grade
usable nuclear material of any practical significance.'

Someone else who was a little taken aback by the State of the Union
address was Ambassador ]Joseph C Wilson IV. You see, he'd taken a trip
to Niger on behalf of the CIA to investigate the uranium claim and
discovered that it was total nonsense.

Between 1976 and 1998, Wilson was a career diplomat. In 1990, he was
the last US diplomat to confront Saddam before the start of the First
Gulf War. He was an ambassador in West Africa under Bush Senior and
helped direct policy on Africa for Clinton in the National Security
Council. So he wasn't exactly some partisan leftie with a grudge
against his country and a penchant for despotic regimes and mad
moustachioed tyrants.

'In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central
Intelligence Agency that Vice-president Dick Cheney's office had=B7
questions about a particular intelligence report,' he recounted. 'While
I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of
agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake by Niger to
Iraq in the late 1990s. The agency official asked in would travel to
Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the
Vice-president's office.'

Remember all those trips Cheney was taking to the CIA in the run-up to
the war? And how he was harassing the spooks to give him the facts he
wanted to hear? Well, the uranium claim was just music to Dick's ears
and he wanted to push the allegations as far as possible. Enter Wilson,
who undertakes to go to Africa in an attempt to make the Niger claim
stand up for the Vice-president. Incidentally, Wilson took on the job
free of charge as a public service to his country; all the US
government had to do was pick up his expenses: costs like his flights,
food and hotels.

When he arrived in the Niger capital, Niamey, in late February 2002,
Wilson's first port of call was the office of the US Ambassador, Barbra
Owens-Kirkpatrick. 'The ambassador told me that she knew about the
allegations of uranium sales to Iraq and that she felt she had already
debunked. them in her reports to Washington.' The claims had also been
kicked into the gutter by high-ranking members of the US military.

Wilson then 'spent the next eight days drinking sweet mint tea and
meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former
government officials, people associated with the country's uranium
business. It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful
that any such transaction had ever taken place.

'Given the structure of the consortiums that operated the mines, it
would be exceedingly difficult for Niger to transfer uranium to Iraq.
Niger's uranium business consists of two mines, Somair and Cominal,
which are run by French, Spanish, Japanese, German and Nigerian
interests. If the government wanted to remove uranium from a mine, it
would have to notify the consortium, which in turn is strictly
monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Moreover, because
the two mines are closely regulated, quasi-governmental entities,
selling uranium would require the approval of the Minister of Mines,
the Prime Minister and probably the President. In short, there's simply
too much oversight over too small an industry for a sale to have
transpired.'

I should point out that at the time Wilson set out on his trip in
February 2002, he had no idea that the documents - as I'll show you
later - were pathetic forgeries. He was working on the assumption that
they were genuine.

In early March, Wilson was back stateside. He told the CIA, which had
been asked to get to the bottom of the whole Niger-uranium allegations,
that the claims were rubbish - that Iraq just couldn't have got uranium
>from Niger. \Wilson's gave the same report to the State Department. You
can understand, then, why Wilson was more than a little confused when
Blair in September 2002 and Bush in January 2003 went out of their way
to say that Saddam was buying uranium from Africa. The allegation was
repeated in March 2003 by Dick Cheney. Wilson said: 'If ... the
information which he provided on there being no bid by Iraq to buy
uranium from Niger was ignored because it did not fit certain
preconceptions about Iraq, then a legitimate argument can be made that
we went to war under false pretences.' Just to make the import of what
the ambassador is saying perfectly clear, remember that Bush had said
that Iraq was trying to get uranium from Africa almost a year after
Wilson came back from Africa saying the claim was nonsense. The Prez
was telling a big, fat, hairy spider of a lie.

Wilson says that, based on his 'experience with the administration in
the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude
that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons
programme was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat'. Understandably,
Wilson added: 'It begs the question 'what else are they lying about?'

Within days of Wilson going public on July 6, 2003 about what had
really gone on during his trip to Niger, the neocons in the White House
decided to ruin him and his family. After Wilson spoke out on the pages
of the New York Times, the White House, through gritted teeth, conceded
that the Niger claim should never have been included in the State of
the Union address. "The Director of the CIA, George Tenet, had to
stagger blinking into the media glare to take the whipping for his boss
Mr Bush. By the time Tenet resigned to tend his garden in 2004, the
ex-CIA Director must have had calluses on his ass the size of walnuts
after all the beatings he took to save Bush's own sorry behind. Tenet,
in full mea culpa mode, said the CIA was to blame far the inclusion of
the 16-word whopper and hadn't properly warned the White House that the
Niger allegation was 'highly dubious' in the eyes of agency analysts.
No-one seemed to have the sense to point out that Tenet was fat less
culpable than Bush and was obviously taking the fall for his boss. The
White House - remember - was fully conversant with the tact that the
uranium claim was rubbish because Wilson had scotched the allegation
after being dispatched by the CIA on behalf of Dick Cheney to Niger.
Tenet - as you can see - drank the poisoned Kool-Aid a long time ago.
He was Bush's prize bitch.

Wilson was now a marked man. He'd dared to question the neocons.

His pay-back came just a week after an extensive article by him
appeared in the New York Times' op-ed section saying his travels in
Niger on behalf of the Bush administration had uncovered proof that
Iraq couldn't have acquired uranium from the little African nation.
Pay-back came in the form of a syndicated column on July 14, 2003 -
just over a week after Wilson publicly refuted the Niger-uranium claims
- by the right-wing pundit Robert Novak. It came out, quoting anonymous
government sources, saying that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA
officer and she'd got her husband the Niger gig. "The implication was
that Wilson had only got the job because his wife was in the CIA and
that he wouldn't have had the credentials to get picked for the task
without her. The sub-text was that he was incompetent for the
assignment and his findings and theories therefore couldn't be trusted.
The column was an ugly attempt to smear Wilson with the dirt of
nepotism. It was, however, a pretty pathetic effort to undermine his
credibility given that Wilson's CV reads like the track record of a
high-achieving polymath and uber-patriot.

The attack on Wilson should, by rights, have died away. This was a man,
after all, who had had praise heaped on him by two former presidents.
But the sneaky little neocons had been a little too overweening this
time. This slur wasn't going to go away, because by impugning Wilson's
name they'd also, as a by-product of their scheming, exposed the
identity of his wife - and it is a criminal offence in the US to 'out'
a serving undercover CIA officer. Whoever it was in the White House who
exposed Plame's name and revealed her job, they'd broken the 1982
Intelligence Identities Protection Act and that carries with it a fine
of up to $50,000 and ten years in jail. Ten years! What a wonderful
prospect! At least two senior White House officials, it is now known,
spoke to six Washington journalists - including slimy Novak - to
dribble poison in their ears about Wilson and Plame. Wilson was nothing
short of a traitor, ran the spin from the White House. He was a liar,
the real liars lied.

Someone was going to get their balls fried for this one. Wanna hear the
clincher to this shoddy affair? Valerie Plame was a spy whose job it
was to monitor the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. In
fact, Valerie Plame was a so-called N OC - a spy who works in
'non-official cover'. That means she doesn't work out of an embassy
pretending to be diplomatic staff in order to conceal her true identity
as a spy. Rather what NOCs do is build a cover by pretending to be a
student, a journalist, a visiting professor, a business executive -
that kind of thing. It costs the CIA up to $1 million to build a doc's
cover. A NOC is also at real risk of being killed or arrested since
unlike the spies based in embassies they have no diplomatic immunity.
You can see why Valerie was known to be something of a crack shot with
an AK-47.

So, let's get this straight. To discredit Wilson, a man whose only
crime, so far as I can see, was to do something for free for his
country and then tell the truth about it, the White House ruined his
wife's career. Cool. Not only that, but Team Bush risked the national
security of America by endangering any sources or informants Plame
might have had overseas. To top it all, they put her life at risk too.
Great guys. The White House stooge who squealed on Plame 'compromised
an entire career of networks, relationships and operations', Wilson
said, referring to his wife's history as a high-flying CIA officer.
Plenty of al-Qaeda inspired terrorists would love to whack a CIA spy -
even if she did happen to be married to a man who wanted to stop the
invasion of Iraq. Don't forget that CIA station chiefs in Beirut and
Greece have been assassinated. Mentioning her name in public was enough
to put this woman's life in grave danger.

'I have been subjected - along with my wife, Valerie Plame to a
partisan Republican smear campaign,' said Wilson. 'I've been accused of
being a liar and, worse, a traitor ... Administration sources leaked to
the media that my wife was an undercover CIA operative - an
unprecedented betrayal of national security and a possible felony ...
It was a malicious act meant to keep others from crossing a vindictive
administration.'

Wilson named a number of men he believed were behind the leaks,
including Karl Rove, Bush's Brain, aka the President's Political
Advisor. He claimed that a meeting was called in the White House in
March 2003 - around the time that Wilson was beginning to make it
discreetly known to the administration that he felt Bush should 'fess
up to putting that 16 word lie about African uranium in his January
2003 State of the Union address. The meeting centred on Wilson and how
to damage him. Wilson says: 'Either the Vice-president himself or, more
likely, his Chief of Staff, Lewis Libby, chaired a meeting at which a
decision was made to do a work-up on me.'

A work-up, according to Wilson, meant that the White House 'basically
mounted an intelligence operation to find out everything they could on
me and my habits and everything else. Which in and of itself I find
rather appalling ... Somebody decided that his or her political agenda
was more important than the national security of my country and that
this person was prepared to betray a national security asset [his wife,
Plame) to defend that agenda.' In Wilson's words, those people at that
meeting decided to 'drag my wife into the public square and administer
a beating on her'. It was a shot across his bows, and the bows of other
whistle-blowers, Wilson believed. It was a clear message, he added: 'If
you talk, we'll take your family and drag them through the mud.'

Wilson was called partisan and labelled a Democrat, even though he'd
given money to Bush's 2000 presidential campaign and his mission to
Niger had been undertaken for Bush's own administration. 'I brought
back a report which, if it had been accepted by my government, would
have kept the President of the United States from actually lying to the
American people,' he said.

It's frightening to think that some of the most powerful men in the
world would sit around a table and devise ways to make another man's
life a misery. There is no higher good in these corridors of power-
just good old-fashioned revenge and dirty tricks. 'Destroy the
messenger' - that was the battle-cry of these guys - at whatever cost.
Team Bush was out to out-Nixon Nixon. Don't forget, Watergate was just
about a petty break-in and nasty Nixon trying to get himself
re-elected; Yellowcake-gate, Niger-Gate, Plame-Gate, whatever you want
to call it, was a crime of massive deception played out against the
American people which also ruined the career of a top US spy.

According to Wilson, the policy decided at the meeting was to deflect
attention away from the lie in the State of the Union address by
launching a personal campaign against Wilson designed to humiliate him
and destroy his credibility. His wife, it seemed, was a legitimate
target in this plan. Karl Rove, according to Wilson, then circulated
information from the work-up on him within the administration after
making it clear that Valerie Plame. was 'fair game'. Hardly surprising
then that Wilson said: 'At the end of the day, it's of keen interest to
me to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the
White House in handcuffs. And trust me, when I use that name, I measure
my words.' I just love that quote. The mental image conjured up is
nothing short of beautiful.

Of course, the White House came out and defended Rove, with Press
Secretary Scott McClellan saying: 'He wasn't involved '" The President
knows he wasn't involved ... It's simply not true.' If I was to use the
same kind of reductive, biased reasoning that Team Bush and the
Blairites used to justify this war, then from that above sentence, I
could conclude, without question, that Bush was part of the criminal
conspiracy to out Plame. If Bush 'knows' that Rove isn't involved, then
logically he must know who is. Ergo Bush is concealing the identity of
whoever leaked Plame's name to the press in the plot to ruin Wilson and
his wife. It's the same clumsy logical tripe as saying 'we know Saddam
has weapons of mass destruction, but Saddam will not hand over those
weapons. Therefore Saddam is hiding the weapons and we must as a
consequence invade Iraq to take the weapons from him'.

Those neocons were about as low as a flea on a rat's belly thanks to
their scam to destroy Wilson and Plame. But their ugly machinations
left Wilson free to moonwalk on the moral high ground. 'Valerie and I
realised that for all the hardship it may have imposed on us, the real
crime was the crime against the national security of this country,'
Wilson said. 'We have tried to avoid giving the impression that we
thought of ourselves as victims. We thought that the country was the
victim.'

Ouch! Killer comments like that must be some kick in the gonads for
Bush and Co. Wilson piled on the pressure saying that after Valerie was
'outed', her colleagues 'made it very clear that there had been a
breach of trust between the clandestine service of the CIA and the
White House'. The Wilson-Plame-Niger-Yellowcake affair made Bush look
like the real enemy of the state. To Wilson, the US government came
after him 'either because they wanted to discourage other people from
stepping forward and telling the truth, or out of simple revenge ...It
was truly un-American. It was a betrayal of the country ... It was
treasonous.' Ouch again, Ambassador Wilson! With all those put-downs,
you are spoiling us.

'This is my country,' said Wilson, skewering the Bush administration
with its own patriotism, 'and it is a great country, and the American
people have every right to know what their government is doing and what
their government has done with the false pretences under which this
government launched this war on Iraq.'

While this disgusting display of bullying, character assassination and
treachery to America was unfolding within Team Bush, the truth was also
emerging about what was really in those Niger-uranium documents which
started the whole wild goose chase in the first place. The IAEA had
been begging to see proof that Iraq was seeking to get uranium from
Niger since the British government dossier was published in September
2002. When the papers were finally handed over on February 4, 2003, a
senior IAEA official told me that it took them just a few hours to
figure out that the documents were 'total bullshit'. They were childish
forgeries - so childish that one tell-tale mistake was flagged up by a
simple Google search. 'There were more than 20 anomalies in the Niger
documents,' the IAEA official told me. 'It's staggering any
intelligence service could have believed they were genuine for a
moment.'

So, just how easy is it to tell a fake contract for nuclear material
>from an impoverished African country to a tin-pot dictatorship?
Actually, it seems pretty easy indeed. In one of the documents - there
were 17 pages in all, written in French - which was a letter from the
President of Niger, a reference is made to the constitution of May 12,
1965, which is a pity, given that the constitution is dated August 9,
1999.

A three-page accord agreeing the uranium sale was accompanied by
another letter, dated October 10,2000 and signed by the Foreign
Minister Allele Elhadj Habibou. However, Habibou stopped being Foreign
Minister in 1989. 1he heading of this letter also referred to the
Conseil Militaire Supreme, a body which was abolished in May 1989. In
another, an obsolete government letterhead is used, including the wrong
symbol for the office of the president. References to state bodies like
the Council for National Reconciliation don't match with the dates on
the letters. One letter bearing the obviously faked signature of
Niger's president Tandja Mamadou was so woefully executed it looked
like it'd been done on an Etch-a-Sketch.

The day after the IAEA discovered the documents were completely cooked
up, Colin Powell, then US Secretary of State, made his case before the
UN Security Council for war against Iraq. Significantly, Powell didn't
mention Niger. IAEA director, Mohamed El Baradei, tried again to bring
reason to the table on March 7 when he told the UN Security Council -
just before Iraq was invaded - that his team and 'outside experts' had
worked out that 'these documents ... are in fact not authentic'. But it
was to no avail. The lie had been told, vast swathes of the American
population believed that Saddam was a nuclear threat and that was all
that was needed to green-light the invasion of Iraq in the eyes of the
Bush administration.

A senior lAEA official told me: 'I know that we told Britain and
America, two weeks before El Baradei made his statement to the UN in
March, that the documents were forgeries. At that point, the lAEA gave
them a chance - they asked the US and UK if they had any other evidence
to back up the claim apart from the Niger forgeries.

'Britain and America should have reacted with shock and horror when
they found that the documents were fake but they did nothing. The IAEA
had said that it would follow up any other evidence pointing towards a
Niger connection. If the UK and US had such evidence they could have
forwarded it and shut the IAEA up - El Baradei would never have gone
public if that had happened. My analysis is that Britain has no other
credible evidence.

'If I was prosecuting someone in a court of law and I brought in what I
knew to be forgeries in an attempt to get a conviction, the case would
be thrown out immediately and it'd be me in the dock. The case wasn't
thrown out against Iraq, however, and what we are left with is an
ominous sense of the way intelligence was treated to promote war. There
are only two conclusions: one, is that Britain has intelligence but
kept it from the weapons inspectors, which they should not have done
under international law, or that they don't have a thing. If they did
have intelligence, then why not show it to the world now that the
invasion is over?'

The IAEA and El Baradei, he said, were bitter and humbled - just as
were Hans Blix and his UN weapons inspectors in UNMOVIC - after their
experiences at the hands of the Bush administration, 'but perhaps now
we may have some solace as the truth seems to be coming out. It's
obvious that we could have done this without war - but the evidence
shows war would have happened regardless of what the inspectors could
have done as that was the wish of Bush and Blair. Everyone, it seems,
was working for peace - except them. 'The British government's claim
that it had additional intelligence which proved that Saddam was
seeking uranium from Niger was a blatant lie. Just have a look at this
April 2003 letter from the State Department to the Democrat House of
Representatives member Henry Waxman, who'd been demanding answers about
what the hell all this Iraq-Niger stuff was about. The letter says that
the US received intelligence from the UK and another 'western European
ally' - which many believe to be Italy - that Iraq was trying to buy
yellowcake from Niger. But it adds: 'Not until March 4 did we learn
that, in fact, the second western European government had based its
assessment on the evidence available to the US that was subsequently
discredited.'

In other words, as one intelligence source told me: 'Italian
intelligence had based its reports on the same crap the British used.'
That's no surprise since it was the Italians who gave the British the
faked-up documents in the first place. The junk intelligence that the
Brits and the Italians had was then happily sucked up as Holy Scripture
by Team Bush. Everyone was using everyone else's intelligence - but it
was all based. on the same forged. documents. It was a merry-go-round
of lies and disinformation between the Brits, the Yanks and
Berlusconi's boys in SISMJ. Given that this letter to Democratic
representative Henry \XJ;'1Xman was' dated April 29, 2003, it kind of
makes you wonder why the White House didn't admit that the Niger claim
was rubbish until early July 2003 -' after Wilson went public and
revealed that allegations of Saddam trying to buy uranium in Africa
were completely bogus. Of course, by the time the Bush administration
finally admitted the allegations were false, the March 2003 invasion of
Iraq was completed.

Then El Baradei came out and rained on the war party's parade by
telling the world that the documents supporting Bush and Blair's t
theory on uranium supplies to Iraq from Niger were a bunch of crap, he
was given the usual treatment that the neocons mete out to anyone with
a Middle Eastern-sounding name who contradicts or stands up to them.
Cheney gave it to that awkward Arab, shock-and-awe style. 'I think Mt
El Baradei frankly is wrong,' Cheney said, as his nose grew all the way
down to his ankles. 'The IAEA has consistently underestimated or missed
what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don't have reason to believe
they're any more valid this time than they've been in the past.' Even
the word of the UN's chief expert on nuclear weapons wouldn't suffice
for Cheney. If he said it was so, then it was so, despite what the CIA,
the IAEA or anyone else said or did. That's not a man of self,
confidence and assured leadership, that's a plain old-fashioned
autocrat.

Quite how Dick squared these comments about El Baradei with the fact
that an internal CIA memo from June 17,2003 said 'we no longer believe
there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq pursued
uranium from abroad', is beyond me, but then being weird, contradictory
and confusing seems to be something of a badge of honour in the Bush
White House.

Here's another weird, contradictory and confusing aside in the
Niger-Iraq uranium story. From December 2001, the State Department's
Bureau for Intelligence and Research had been saying that Iraq didn't
have a nuclear programme. So why would Colin Powell, the man in charge
of the State Department, tell the House International Relations
Committee in February 2002 that 'with respect to the nu cleat
programme, there is no doubt that the Iraqis are pursuing it'?

It's also interesting to note that prior to Bush uttering the infamous
16-word lie in his January 2003 State of the Union address, the State
Department's Bureau for Intelligence and Research had concluded that
the documents were 'clearly a forgery'. So, that means Bush knew before
making his bogus claim that Saddam was after uranium, that the papers
backing this allegation had been labelled as fake - yet he still went
ahead and spouted that Iraq had sought uranium from Africa. If that's
not telling a downright lie, then you can smear my ears with honey and
tie me to an anthill. On April 5, 2003, not long before the March
invasion, the National Intelligence Council issued a memo that stated:
'We judge it highly unlikely that Niger sold uranium yellowcake to
Baghdad in recent years.'

I should also point out that getting 500 tonnes of yellow cake from
Niger to Iraq is a little more difficult than getting your weekly
supermarket shopping home after late night opening on Thursday.
'There's the small matter of taking 500 tonnes - which is a lot of
tonnes by the way - across the Sahara Desert and then getting it
shipped from West Africa to Iraq. After that it's just a small matter
of transporting it from one of Iraq's southern ports to Baghdad. That
should be pretty easy given that before the invasion Iraq was the most
surveyed nation on earth - so it's not as if the UK or US would have
spotted this illicit trade in yellowcake from the satellites we had
zooming in on every camel that took a dump in the Iraqi desert.

Where in fact did these forged documents come from which started the
whole made-up Niger claim in the first place? One theory is that either
Italian intelligence, or Italian intelligence working with MI6, cooked
up the whole thing themselves with the full backing and support of
American intelligence. There's also a suspicion that the spooks were
assisted by a disgruntled or easily bribed diplomat or office worker
>from Niger at the country's embassy on Via Antonio Baiamonti in Rome
who passed over documents like forgeable letterheads and official
stamps. "The documents could also have been doctored versions of papers
relating to a real attempt by Iraq to buy uranium from Niger in the
late 1980s - when the US and UK were arming him, as you'll remember.
Perhaps, the dates of papers were altered by western spooks to make it
look as if the attempted trade took place much later.

The visit by Wissam al-Zahwaie, the Iraqi ambassador to the Holy See in
Rome, to Niger was just a serendipitous trip which made the entire scam
look more plausible. Incidentally, today al-Zahwaie says that his
mission to Africa was to invite statesmen to Baghdad so that they could
be persuaded to speak out against UN sanctions. 'I had no other
instructions,' he says, 'and certainly none concerning the purchase of
uranium.'

Whatever happened, there was certainly a break-in at the Niger embassy
in Rome in December 2000 - and all that was stolen was a cheap watch
and a few bottles of perfume. Rocco Martino, a shady operator who once
worked for SISMI, the Italian intelligence agency; says SISMI forged
the papers in late 2000 and early 2001. If this is true, then God help
Italy. If this nation relies on an intelligence agency which can't even
get the right name for Niger's Foreign Minister on a forged document
that they are trying to pass off as proof that Saddam bought yellowcake
>from Niger, then the country is even more screwed than we thought. But
then I suppose a country's intelligence services come to resemble a
country's leader just the way a dog comes to look like its master.
Under Blair's watch, Operation Rockingham turned UK spying into a
slithery, slimy craft built on carefully constructed lies; Bush turned
the OSP into a swaggering, macho operation that lied blatantly and for
the hell of it; and under Silvio Berlusconi, it appears, the Italian
spooks became even dumber and more bumpkin-like than they'd ever been
before - and that's saying something.

'The forged documents then surfaced publicly in Italy in October 2002,
when Elisabetta Burba - a reporter for Panorama, an Italian news
magazine owned by - ba-da-bing. - none other than former Italian
premier Silvio Berlusconi - got a call from Martino in which he said he
had information about Saddam trying to buy uranium in Africa. When they
met, he offered to sell her the Niger documents for about $10,000. The
paper's editor-in-chief, Carlo Rossella, who had close ties to
Berlusconi's administration, ordered Burba to hand the documents over
to the US Embassy. She did just that. Burba herself later checked the
documents out and quickly concluded that they were a faked-up pile of
steaming dung. They really are hiring the wrong people in the
intelligence services these days, aren't they? I mean if one solitary
reporter could work out that the Niger papers were fake, it just makes
you wonder, doesn't it, why all those British, Italian and American
spies couldn't for the life of them see the same thing? You'd almost
imagine that they were deliberately not looking. The Niger-uranium saga
unveils one of the key strategies of the Bush and Blair governments:
allowing information which the administrations knew to be fake and
phoney to be aired in order to convince the US Congress, the British
Parliament and the people of the UK and America, that they should
support war. The truth about this massive con job finally began to sink
in, even to Washington insiders on bodies like the Senate Intelligence
Committee. One of its members, Senator Jay Rockefeller, who voted for
the war after having the daylights scared out of him by the President,
just like most other American citizens, says now: 'There is a
possibility that the fabrication of these documents may be part of a
larger deception campaign aimed at manipulating public opinion and
foreign policy regarding Iraq.'

With the image of British and American spooks and their political
masters looking utterly ridiculous and sinister around the world after
these events, George Tenet at least tried to salvage a little
credibility and decency for himself by calling on the Justice
Department to investigate the leaking of Plame's name and her covert
role in the CIA to the press - well, what else could he do? She was a
CIA officer and he was her boss, so he did have a duty of care to help
her.

Lousianas Democrat Senator, Mary Landrieu, said: 'This betrayal by
someone or some people in the administration has reached a new low.
There's an unwritten rule in politics that no matter how rough the
politics gets, families are off-limits, particularly spouses and
children.'

It took more than two months - until the end of September 2003 - for
the Bush administration to order an inquiry. In the meantime, people
like Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, kept saying things
like: 'I'm telling you, that is not the way the White House operates
.=2E. No-one was certainly given any authority to do anything of that
nature.' Dick Cheney even said: 'I don't know Joe Wilson.' Cheney, if
you need to be reminded, was Defense Secretary under George Bush the
Elder during the First Gulf War. As the acting US Ambassador in Baghdad
in the weeks before the war, it was Wilson who helped evacuate
thousands of foreigners from Kuwait and negotiated the release of more
than 100 US hostages whom Saddam had taken prisoner. Wilson also
sheltered some 800 US citizens in the American Embassy. For his
trouble, Dubyas father wrote to Wilson saying: 'Your courageous
leadership during this period of great danger for American interests
and American citizens has my admiration and respect. I salute, too,
your skillful conduct of our tense dealings with the government of
Iraq. The courage and tenacity you have exhibited throughout this
ordeal prove that you are the right person for the job.' In a cable to
Baghdad, Bush Senior told Wilson: 'What you are doing day in and day
out under the most trying of conditions is truly inspiring. Keep
fighting the good fight.' So, sure, Dick Cheney, had never heard of
Wilson. Wilson likes to pick up that last quote from Daddy Bush - the
one about fighting the good fight - and turn it on Baby Bush. 'I
guess,' says Wilson, referring to Bush the Elder, 'he didn't realise
that one of these days I would carry that fight against his son's
administration.'

The investigation into the leaking against Plame was eventually opened
but nor before Dick Cheney told America on the news show Meet the Press
that the claim in the British dossier of September 2002 stating Saddam
had been seeking uranium in Africa was 'revalidated'. The man is
unbelievable in his ability to tell stonking big lies and think he can
get away with it. Cheney was saying this in September 2003 - while
weapons inspectors across newly occupied Iraq were wandering around,
scratching their heads and wondering where all those lovely big WMD had
gone to that they thought they would find just lying around in palaces
or propped up against a palm tree at a desert oasis.

Anyway, back to that investigation into the outing of Pia me. It was
opened by the justice Department, then under the command of John
Ashcroft, Bush's Attorney-General. This is a man who believes he sits
at God's right hand; he's a Christ-bothering warrior for the Lord and
the kind of guy who you could well imagine thinks quite fondly of
Margaret Atwood's vision of an America run by crazed theocratic
patriarchs in A Handmaid's Tale.

But hang on a minute, here, isn't getting Ashcroft to investigate an
alleged White House leak simply a case of one nasty little apparatchik
investigating another? Having Bush's top lawman in charge of an inquiry
into shenanigans by those in the President's inner circle is a bit like
getting me to investigate my best mate. The justice Department gave
whoever leaked Plame's name a head-start to cover their tracks.
Ashcroft's minions informed the White House on the evening of Monday
September 29, 2003 that the investigation was about to begin -
effectively the justice Department might as well have said, 'OK guys,
we'll be round tomorrow first thing to get going on this
investigation.' Of course, what that meant was that the White House
leaker or leakers had an entire night to clean out the closet.

The White House totally opposed the appointment of a special
independent prosecutor. Scott McClellan - the Voice of Bush - told
reporters that an independent investigation just wasn't appropriate,
and besides, he said, 'the President believes leaking classified
information is a very serious matter'. Well, that's alright then - if
the President says that he's really upset about Plame's life being put
at risk then everything must be fine. Nothing to worry about, citizens.
Go back to sleep.

Wasn't Clinton impeached for simply dissembling about a bit of harmless
hanky-panky behind the back of his missus? For saying .'1 never had sex
with that woman' when he kinda had? Wasn't the investigation into
whatever it was that Clinton did - if my memory serves, it was getting
a little oral love from some chick at the office and then lying about
it - undertaken by a special independent prosecutor rather than a
partisan pro-administration justice Department? Ashcroft took more than
a passing interest in the Plame investigation. His aides regularly
briefed him on the progress of the inquiry, passing him the identities
of those who'd been interviewed. I'm sure Mr Ashcroft kept all the~e
details completely to himself and would never have thought of relaying
information to Bush or Cheney or any of his other friends, mentors and
bosses.

Eventually, even the Bush team had to relent, and in December the
justice Department handed the investigation over to Special Prosecutor
Patrick Fitzgerald. US grand jury investigators have interviewed Bush,
Cheney and Powell, as well as the White House Weasel-in-Chief, Scott
McClellan, the press spokesman. Although all grand juries are secret,
it's leaked out that witnesses allegedly told the grand jury that Bush
knew about, but took no action to stop, the release of Plame's
identity. Bush has already got himself an outside lawyer to deal with
the coming fall-out from any investigation.

Finally, the truth began to stagger into sight in the summer of 2005.

That's two years after the whole scandal broke - enough time to make
sure that America had forgotten about the affair, got bored and moved
on to discussing which actress had the nicest hooters in Desperate
Housewives.

After threats, harassment, bullying, general ass-kicking and
nipple-tweaking, information about Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper's
off-the-record briefings regarding Wilson's wife with none other than a
certain Mr Karl 'Brain of Baby Bush' Rove made its way to the grand
jury. Cooper, . as any decent journalist would, had fought
tooth-and-nail to protect his source. To a journalist, even Karl Rove
has to be protected - no matter what _ and Cooper had faced the threat
of jail over his attempts to respect the pact between reporter and
source. He was saved from jail when his bosses at Time went over his
head and handed his emails, relating to secret discussions with Rove,
to the grand jury. Cooper also agreed to testify. Another reporter,
Judith Miller from the New York Times, was jailed for not talking.
Ironically, Miller had been a complete ra-ra girl for the war from the
get-go, pedalling all sorts of bogus Chalabi-inspired rubbish about
Saddam's mighty arsenal of WMD on the front pages of her newspaper in
the lead up to war.

As an aside, you might like to know that when Cooper first met Bush -
at a time when the reporter was staring into the maw of a possible
spell in the can for protecting one of the lizards on Bush's West Wing
- the President gallantly said: 'Cooper! I thought you'd be in jail by
now.'

One of the emails which Cooper was forced to give up is just great. Not
only does it appear to indicate that Rove was part of a criminal and
treacherous conspiracy to out Plame, but it also contains a pretty cool
reference to the John Belushi movie Animal House. See if you can spot
it. It's just perfect when you think about the frat boys currently
running America.

Here it is, in all its ungrammatical, badly punctuated and misspelled
glory:

Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins
before he went on vacation ... it was, KR said, Wilson's wife, who
apparently works at the agency on wmd issues, who authorized the trip.
not only the genesis of the trip is flawed ans suspect but so is the
report. he implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate Iraqi
interest in acquiring uranium from Niger ... some of this is going to
be declassified in the coming days, KR said. don't get too far out in
front he warned. then he bolted.

(In case you are wondering, 'double super secret background' is the
line taken from Animal House.)

Let's be clear about this - that email proves Rove told Cooper that
Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. At the time of the discussion, July
11, 2003, less than a week aft



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 MOSCOW. Jan 24 - The Federation Council has passed a bill prohibiting
persons that hold dual citizenship from serving as Russian government
ministers, which were earlier passed in the State Duma, at a meeting on
Wednesday.

Under the bill, which amends the law on the Russian government, deputy
prime ministers and ministers must not possess dual citizenship. Only a
Russian citizen, who "does not have the citizenship of another state,
as well as a residence permit or any other document proving the right
of a Russian citizen to permanently live on the territory of a foreign
country," can be appointed deputy prime minister or federal minister.

Under current legislation, only the Russian prime minister is
prohibited from holding citizenship of another state. The bill will
come into force after the president signs it.


http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/politics/28.html?menu=1&id_issue=11664892



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This column is by Shulamit Aloni, a former Israeli cabinet minister.
This column originally appeared in Yediot Aharonot, a daily newspaper
in Israel.

------------------
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2007/01/24/0124edisrael.html

Don't slam Carter; Israel's grip is real
By SHULAMIT ALONI
Published on: 01/24/07

Jewish self-righteousness is taken for granted among ourselves to such
an extent that we fail to see what's right in front of our eyes. It's
simply inconceivable that the ultimate victims, the Jews, can carry out
evil deeds. Nevertheless, the state of Israel practices its own, quite
violent, form of apartheid with the native Palestinian population.

Carter is based on him daring to tell the truth which is known to all:
Through its army, the government of Israel practices a brutal form of
apartheid in the territory it occupies. Its army has turned every
Palestinian village and town into a fenced-in, or blocked-in, detention
camp. All this is done in order to keep an eye on the population's
movements and to make its life difficult. Israel even imposes a total
curfew whenever the settlers, who have illegally usurped the
Palestinians' land, celebrate their holidays or conduct their parades.

If that were not enough, the generals commanding the region frequently
issue further orders, regulations, instructions and rules (let us not
forget: they are the lords of the land). By now they have requisitioned
further lands for the purpose of constructing "Jewish only" roads.

Wonderful roads, wide roads, well-paved roads, brightly lit at night
- all that on stolen land. When a Palestinian drives on such a road,
his vehicle is confiscated, and he is sent on his way.

On one occasion I witnessed such an encounter between a driver and a
soldier who was taking down the details before confiscating the vehicle
and sending its owner away...

Continued at link:
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2007/01/24/0124edisrael.html

Below: Division between Israeli and Palestinian areas is reflected in
the wall being built by Israel.



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On Jan 26, 6:05 am, dshara...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I see dead people.

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE, TOO. VICTIMS OF JEWISH GENOCIDE ALL OVER THE PLACE.



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On Jan 26, 1:29 am, r...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson) wrote:
> In article <6eWdnfGNBL2RvyTYnZ2dnUVZ_tyin...@giganews.com>,
>
> B'inyamin Cramer  wrote:   The uneducated,  arrogant,  stupid nazi "Ben Cramer" is most
> amusing when he boasts of his "language skills",  and makes
> glaring mistakes in the process.  Here are two classics:
>
>    "Don't even attempt to lecture a speaker of proper English


WOW! SOME "MISTAKE", I WISH I COULD SEE SOMETHING WRONG!



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On Jan 26, 5:55 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> > > It was George Bush's Americans that invaded this area and set Shia
> > > against Sunni in the first place.On Jan 25, 5:36 am, BernardZ  wrote:
>
> >Alex how can you be such a fool to say stuff as stupid as
> > this!!!!!!!!!!!!You have to ask? Surely you don't want to overload Alex's few grey
> cells by asking him to go back to the first fitna and review the
> details surrounding the battle of Bassora.
>
> Deborah
I DO NOT GO THAT FAR BACK YOU DOPEY CUNT, YOU DO. YOU DRIED UP OLD
PRUNE!



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 YEAH, SURE, IF HE IS NOT A "SELF HATING JEW"  HE JUST DOES NOT EXIST!



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 ALL IRAQI PEOPLE WANT FROM AMERICA IS TO TAKE YOUR "BENEVOLENCE" AND
STUFF IT UP YOUR ARSE



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On Jan 26, 11:36 am, "DoD"  wrote:
> Of Polish Jews waiting to depart at Jaffa, right after a pilgramage to
> Jerusalem.

There is nothing in Jerusalem that belongs to the Jews, even the wall
they so fervently bang with their heads was built  by Abasids in 17th
century. And the "Tomb of Joseph" is a burial place of a muslim Caliph.



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Jerusalem Post

Monday, October 13, 1997       12 Tishri 5758

Family of nuclear cancer victim awarded NIS 2.5m.

By LIAT COLLINS

TEL AVIV (October 13) - In a precedent setting ruling,
a Tel Aviv District Court judge last week ordered
NIS 2.5 million be paid to the family of an employee
at the Negev Nuclear Research Center in Dimona who
died of cancer in 1989 aged 43. The judge ruled
there was a link between his death and work.

The man, Haim Itah, worked in maintenance at the center
>from 1963 until his death from leukemia. Judge Hila
Gerstel accepted the claim by lawyer Ilan Kanner that
his cancer was linked to Itah's work at the NNRC,
where he had apparently been exposed to radiation
leaks. This included an accident in 1980.

Scores of similar claims by other NNRC workers or their
families are still going through the legal system.

Gerstel was scathing in her criticism of the Atomic
Energy Commission, which is in charge of the nuclear
research centers at Dimona and Nahal Sorek. She wrote
in her ruling that the management had shown
"contempt for human life" and had not taken into
account the cumulative effect of exposure from outside
sources, such as medical or dental X-rays.

Kanner complained that the legal case, which lasted five
years, was hindered by difficulty in accessing relevant
material under secret classification. The judge called
the evidence of the central witness, a senior management
official at the NNRC, "unreliable" and said he had
tried to portray a rosy picture of the center's safety
measures.

The NNRC did not prove that Itah wore a radiation tag
or that it was monitored or that he was briefed on the
necessary safety precautions.

A spokesman for the Atomic Energy Commission said
in response that the state attorney would appeal the
decision in the Supreme Court. He said the AEC, NNRC,
and the Nahal Sorek Research Center do all they
can to ensure the safety and health of employees and
operate according to the highest Western standards.

He said the AEC is monitored by external bodies,
including the supreme council for nuclear safety, appointed
by the Prime Minister's Office, the State Comptroller,
and Knesset committees. The AEC official said a Health
Ministry survey showed that the incidence of cancer
among NNRC workers does not deviate from the
national level.

The spokesman said Itah was not exposed to radiation
above the amount equivalent of two CT medical scans
in his years at the center. He also said the court
demanded workers report all additional medical exposure to
radiation outside of the NNRC, such as X-rays and CT
scans, although the international Atomic Energy
Agency regulations, Israeli law, and legislation in
the Western world do not require this be taken into account
when work rosters are drawn up.

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JERUSALEM, Oct 12 (AFP) - An Israeli court has ordered the
government to pay 700,000 dollars compensation to the family of a
victim of radiation at one of the country's nuclear plants, the
Yediot Aharonot daily said Sunday.
   The Tel Aviv court accused the management of the Dimona nuclear
centre in the southern Negev desert of "having treated the needs of
employees for protection with contempt," describing their attitude
as "revolting," said the paper.
   It ruled during the past week that the cancer which killed Haim
Ita, who died in 1989, had been caused by radiation and that his
family should be compensated.
   Relatives of Ita and other employees who contracted illnesses
while working in the Jewish state's nuclear industry have been
fighting a battle for compensation against the state for several
years.
   The court's ruling goes against the judgement of Israel's atomic
energy commission, which has consistenly ruled that all secrecy
measures surrounding the Dimona plant should be maintained for
security reasons.
   Israel has never admitted to possessing nuclear weapons, but
according to foreign military analysts between 100 and 200 nuclear
bombs have been made at Dimona.

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JERUSALEM (Reuters) Oct. 12 - An Israeli court, in an unprecedented
ruling, has awarded damages to the family of a late employee at
the Dimona nuclear reactor and criticized safety practices at
the plant, which it said showed ``contempt for human life.''
         Court spokesman Moshe Gorali said Sunday the decision was
the first ruling of its kind involving the 40-year-old
ultra-secret plant, where foreign reports say Israel
manufactures nuclear weapons.
         In its ruling, the Tel Aviv district court last week awarded
$718,000 in damages to the family of Dimona reactor worker Haim
Itach, who died at age 43 in 1989 of cancer he contracted in
1980, Gorali said.
         ``The entire ruling puts the responsibility on the reactor,
on the state, in very tough language,'' lawyer Ilan Kener, who
represented Itach's family, told Israel Radio.
         At the Dimona reactor it was not constantly determined how
much radiation from outside the facility -- in such forms as
medical X-rays -- employees absorbed, Kener quoted the ruling as
saying.
         It said ignoring exposure to radiation other than from the
place of work was ``a matter of policy.''
         ``In the respondent's position there is a clear closing of
the eyes and even contempt for human life, since indeed
radiation does accumulate in the body and the body does not
differentiate between different sources of radiation,'' the
lawyer quoted the ruling as saying.
         The court said an employer ``with his knowledge of the
danger of the accumulation of radiation from different sources
must make sure all the time that he is not endangering his
worker by exposing him to radiation.
         ``There are simple and easy ways to do this and the approach
of the employer and its ignoring (them) is enraging if not worse
than that,'' the court said.
         Gorali confirmed that details of the case carried by
Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper Sunday were accurate.
         The paper said that the court accepted Kener's argument
``that there was a high likelihood that Haim Itach fell ill with
cancer after exposure to nuclear radiation because of the
negligent safety policy of the reactor's management.''
         Itach was a maintenance worker at the Dimona reactor for 19
years.
         Before falling ill, Itach had been exposed to three
``localized radiation accidents,'' incidents in which the leaks
did not escape the reactor. Two years after the second accident,
Itach was found to have cancer.
         Kener said there were other cases like Itach's but he did
not elaborate. The lawyer said the main problem in fighting such
cases was the extreme secrecy surrounding the Dimona reactor.
         Built in the 1950s, Dimona was initially described to the
world as a textile factory and later as a non-military plant
under an Israeli policy of deliberate ambiguity that continues
to this day.
         In 1986, a junior technician at the plant, Mordechai Vanunu,
told the London Times that Israel had built 200 nuclear bombs at
Dimona, and provided photographs of the plant's interior.
         He was subsequently lured from Britain to Rome by a woman
agent of Israel's Mossad secret service and taken by force from
there to Israel. He was tried and convicted of handing over
state secrets and sentenced to 18 years in prison. He has served
11 years of his sentence, all of them in solitary confinement.

***************************************************************

TEL AVIV, Oct. 12 (UPI) -- An Israeli court has recognized that work
at a nuclear reactor caused cancer, and awarded the family of a
deceased
employee the equivalent of $714,000.
        But the Atomic Energy Committee says it follows ``advanced
Western
standards'' and will appeal the decision.
        The case highlights an argument on how safe are Israel's two
nuclear
reactors, at Dimona and Yavne. According to unconfirmed foreign
reports,
Israel produces nuclear weapons at the bigger reactor, in Dimona.
        Dozens of nuclear reactor employees have sued the state,
claiming
they had been insufficiently protected. Usually they have difficulties
proving their case because data from the reactors is highly classified.

        However, last Thursday Tel Aviv district court said Haim Itah,
a
maintenance man in the Dimona reactor, was exposed to three ``local
radiation accidents.'' Itah was found to have cancer about two years
after the third accident and died at the age of 43.
        District Judge Hila Gerstel blasted management's attitude.
``The
danger of radiation is one of the worst ... and it's not enough to
close
one's eyes and to take routine precautions,'' she wrote.
        The Atomic Energy Committee countered that Itah was exposed to
levels
of radiation which are ``less than the exposure in two medical
examinations such as C.T.''
        It said the state attorney will take the case to the Supreme
Court.




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The State of the Union Address has fallen from the sublime to the
ridiculous during the years in which George Bush and his regime have
inflicted themselves upon the American people. This year, instead of
bold and firm answers to the threats which this regime has created
through its pig-headed arrogance, wishy-washy soundbites written
evidently by the more intelligent and desperate members of the White
House team.


"We enter the year 2007 with large endeavours underway, and others
that are ours to begin" is the sentence which sets the tone of the
whole speech, right from the beginning. Large endeavours. This is a
great euphemism for the illegal act of slaughter in Iraq and
"others" is a wonderful way to send a veiled threat to Teheran,
which must be curled up giggling (like the rest of the international
community) after seeing the utter chaos caused by the Bush regime's
policies in Iraq.

Tellingly, George Bush decided to focus this speech on domestic issues
(wonder why?), with sweeping and vague statements on the economy (good
news on job creation schemes) and then, even vaguer statements on the
future, so vague in fact that one questions what this regime has been
doing in the last six years.

"First we must balance the federal budget". Wonderful, by spending
200 billion USD on an illegal act of butchery which has divorced the
USA from the international community until at least someone from the
Dems comes to power? Nice empty words, followed by more honeyed
sweet-talking on medicare.

"Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid are commitments of
conscience, and so it is our duty to keep them permanently sound".
What is that supposed to mean? How about spending more money on
healthcare and less on illegal acts of slaughter abroad?

Other hollow soundbites follow throughout this speech, more an act of
contrition without an apology than anything else, what an absolute
disgrace for a President of the USA, caught like a six-year-old who has
destroyed his mother's herb garden with a football, who suddenly
tries to focus the irate parents' attention on the crow flying high
in the air.

"Spreading opportunity and hope in America also requires public
schools that give children the knowledge and character they need in
life". Again, what has this regime been doing for the last six years?
Destroying Iraqi infrastructures with militatry hardware to dole out
contracts without tender to companies gravitating around the White
House. Maybe the President should have added the question: "Is our
children educated?"

There follows the predictable green card, talking about alternative
energy sources (commendable) but not actually doing anything (as usual)
and finally, "we must take the fight to the enemy".

Here begins the justification of the unjustifiable, the foreign policy
of the Bush regime, confirming the USA as the most hated nation on
Earth, in the four corners of the globe. For George Bush, protecting
the citizens of the USA has taken five years. Interesting. What has he
actually managed to achieve in this time? Destabilise Afghanistan?
Destroy the State in Iraq? Unite practically the entire Middle East and
developing world against Washington?


"America is still a nation at war". A telling soundbite in the
middle of this study in mediocrity, empty promises about what "we are
going to do"...then why didn't you do it already?

All the Bush regime has done is unite the world behind the terrorists.
As for the rest of the speech, how can anyone serious comment on
phrases such as "The Shia and Sunni extremists are different faces of
the same totalitarian threat. Whatever slogans they chant, when they
slaughter the innocent they have the same wicked purposes. They want to
kill Americans, kill democracy in the Middle East and gain the weapons
to kill on an even more horrific scale".

It was George Bush's Americans that invaded this area and set Shia
against Sunni in the first place. The "generation struggle" that
George Bush mentions, to describe the war on terror is indeed a
generation struggle for the USA: how many generations will suffer to
pay for his inane and inept policies at home and his acts of mass
murder and war crimes abroad?

Whether George Bush likes it or not, it is this section of the speech
that the international community is focussing upon, and for some reason
it must be. The rest is the same smplistic, inconsequential drivel.

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY

PRAVDA.Ru

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/86748-0/




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On Jan 25, 12:37 pm, "reporter01"  wrote:
> U.S. ON THE WAY TO FASCISM?
>
> Well it's true that Sharia law actually is fascist but you moslems
> and your fellow tyranny lovers havent even enacted sharia in your
> enclaves yet. You have long way to go JEWeler.

I HOPE ARABS SHIT IN YOUR FILTHY LYING TRAP! HOW MANY COUNTRIES IN THIS
WORLD USE SHARIA LAW? ANSWER: NONE!



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On Jan 26, 3:33 pm, Andrew Venor  wrote:
> Anonymous wrote:
> >http://tinyurl.com/25x5co
>
> > Look for an attack on our Carriers.
>
> > J.Harold Rutabaga rutab...@field.com"Anti-Semitism is the swollen envy of pygmy minds."
> 
> ~Mark Twain
JEWS ARE NOT SEMITES, ARABS ARE SEMITES!



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On Jan 26, 1:37 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 26, 9:38 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 26, 11:36 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>
> > > Of Polish Jews waiting to depart at Jaffa, right after a pilgramage to
> > > Jerusalem.There is nothing in Jerusalem that belongs to the Jews, even the wall
> > they so fervently bang with their heads was built  by Abasids in 17th
> > century. And the "Tomb of Joseph" is a burial place of a muslim Caliph.   The ROMANS thought that Jerusalem belonged to the Jews.
> 
>  Michael
Did you ask them personally yourself?



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On Jan 26, 1:43 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 25, 3:51 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:>  ISRAEL HAS NOTHING TO OFFER ANYONE, ALL THE LANDS IT HAS ARE OCCUPIED.
> > EVEN IF YOU SCUM OCCUPY THEM FOR 500 YEARS THEY STILL WILL NOT BE YOURS!   Israel belongs to the Jews; their LORD said so!
>
>  Michael
Who am I to argue with the Lord. However Hamas and Hezbollah think
otherwise, and that is who counts



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On Jan 26, 1:37 pm, "Cazador"  wrote:
> I will not debate Finkelstein. I have a longstanding policy against
> debating Holocaust deniers, revisionists, trivializers or minimizers.
> Nor is a serious debate about Israel possible with someone who

YOUR "DEBATE" IS NOT GOING TO BRING 700 PALESTINIAN CHILDREN
SLAUGHTERED BY THE ISRAELI FASCISTS BACK TO LIFE, SO GO AND FUCK
YOURSELF JEW BASTARD!



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Subject: MCVAY THE UNEDUCATED IDIOT FROM NANAIMO
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 ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC STATEMENT COMING FROM MCVAY THE NANAIMO STUPID
FOOL!

IF SEMITISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANTI SEMITISM, HOW COME PRO
GERMANISM HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH ANTI GERMANISM.

IDIOT MCVAY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE 350 MILLION SEMITES IN
ADDITION TO ABOUT 10 MILLION  KIKE KVETCHERS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: what are the limits of the Great Israel
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> Map of Israel in the 1st centuryhttp://virtualreligion.net/iho/map.html
>
> Israel in New Testament Timeshttp://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/israel-first-ce...
>
> Deborah
WOW! THAT EXPLAINS IT! WHICH VERSION OF THE 275 VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE
ARE YOU BABBERING ABOUT?



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On Jan 26, 6:07 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:

> Map of Israel in the 1st centuryhttp://virtualreligion.net/iho/map.html
 THERE WAS NO BIBLE IN THE 1ST CENTURY, NOT IN A WRITTEN FORM
PHAROS BIBLE WAS TRANSLATED FROM ARAMAIC IN THE 4TH CENTURY, THERE WERE
NO MAPS IN EITHER ONE OF THEM.

THAT MAKES YOU A KVETCHING LIAR!



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On Jan 26, 10:15 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 26, 2:33 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 26, 1:37 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:> On Jan 26, 9:38 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 26, 11:36 am, "DoD"  wrote:
>
> > > > > Of Polish Jews waiting to depart at Jaffa, right after a pilgramage to
> > > > > Jerusalem.There is nothing in Jerusalem that belongs to the Jews, even the wall
> > > > they so fervently bang with their heads was built  by Abasids in 17th
> > > > century. And the "Tomb of Joseph" is a burial place of a muslim Caliph.
> >>   The ROMANS thought that Jerusalem belonged to the Jews.
>
> > >  Michael
> >Did you ask them personally yourself?   You might have heard of this thing called "historical records".
>
>  Michael
I HAVE READ PAX ROMANA, DID YOU? THERE IS NO MENTION OF ISRAEL IN IT!



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On Jan 23, 5:55 pm, TUKA  wrote:
> On 2007-01-23, Viejo Vizcacha  wrote:
>
> >http://www.counterpunch.com/avnery01232007.html
>
> >http://www.economist.com/world/africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8571800Sure it is. And the Arabs impose it with their incredibly medieval
> behavior. Note that non-Muslims have ZERO rights in many if not
> most Arab countries.

WHAT ARE YOU BLUBBERING ABOUT, MONKEY? AT LEAST 50% OF EGYPTIAN
MILITARY OFFICERS ARE CHRISTIANS, EVEN THOUGH ONLY 10% OF EGYPTIANS ARE
CHRISTIANS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: "SEED OF ABRAHAM"
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That is what both Bible and the Hoily Quran say about whom the Land of 
the Shem belongs to.

Now tell me if Russians, Hungarians Moldavians, Romanians and 
Americans are the "seed of Abraham?

Considering the whoring nature of the Jewesses of Europe, I doubt if 
one in  a million Europeans carry the "seed of Abraham" in them!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: BRAZIL, Sephardi Country
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On Jan 27, 8:34 am, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
>             It was in Recife that the Sephardic Jews were finally able
> to organize, for the first time, a synagogue in the Americas. The
> first American Synagogue and the first under the Equador,was named
> KAHAL SUR ISRAEL, the Rock of Israel, established at 12 and 14 Rua do
> Bode (Goat Street).
>             It was built in 1640, under protest by the Dutch Reformed
> Church. The importance of the Rock of Israel synagogue still has not
> been duly considered and at the Diaspora Museum,for example, the title
> of first in the Americas goes to a synagogue in Cura=E7=E3o, built almost
> twenty year later, on the path of the Recife jews who escaped after
> the Dutch defeat in 1654 and dispersed over the French and Dutch
> Guianas, until they arrived in the Island of Manhanttan,where they
> established the city of New Amsterdam, the future New York(see
> Dicitionary of Sphardic Surmanes).
>
>       BARUCHSION

This is a priceless information! How did you get it? Can you imagine=20
the value of this crap to the contemporary historians? They will be=20
crapping all over to learn that Jews had a synagogue in Recife



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Nigger Claims he isn't a Muslim
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What is wrong being a muslim? Hell of a lot better than being a long 
nosed rat, who lives off the back of the working man and prides 
himself on his ability to cheat and lie.

Allahu Akbar! Islam is the religion of honesty and peace



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On Jan 27, 12:04 pm, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
> More than 5,000 Jews were in Recife at the time of the capitulation
> Dutch. Many of these removed to Surinam; while many others, under the
> leadership of Aboab and Aguilar, returned to Amsterdam. Some went to
> Guadeloupe and other West Indian islands; while a few of the refugees
> reached New Amsterdam, as New York was then called.
>
> BARUCHSION

WHY DO I NOT GIVE A FUCK?
> .......................................................................
> .......................................
>
> On 27 jan, 14:01, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Jan 27, 8:34 am, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
>
> > >             It was in Recife that the Sephardic Jews were finally able
> > > to organize, for the first time, a synagogue in the Americas. The
> > > first American Synagogue and the first under the Equador,was named
> > > KAHAL SUR ISRAEL, the Rock of Israel, established at 12 and 14 Rua do
> > > Bode (Goat Street).
> > >             It was built in 1640, under protest by the Dutch Reformed
> > > Church. The importance of the Rock of Israel synagogue still has not
> > > been duly considered and at the Diaspora Museum,for example, the title
> > > of first in the Americas goes to a synagogue in Cura=E7=E3o, built al=
most
> > > twenty year later, on the path of the Recife jews who escaped after
> > > the Dutch defeat in 1654 and dispersed over the French and Dutch
> > > Guianas, until they arrived in the Island of Manhanttan,where they
> > > established the city of New Amsterdam, the future New York(see
> > > Dicitionary of Sphardic Surmanes).
>
> > >       BARUCHSIONThis is a priceless information! How did you get it? =
Can you imagine
> > the value of this crap to the contemporary historians? They will be
> > crapping all over to learn that Jews had a synagogue in Recife- Ocultar=
 texto entre aspas -- Mostrar texto entre aspas -



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 27, 2:29 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" 
 wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/322nyh
>
> January 27, 2007
>
> 2007 Legislature
> Education: House votes to require Holocaust lessons in high school
>
> Indiana lawmakers voted Friday to make sure the state's students are
> taught about the horrors of the Holocaust.
>
> The Indiana House voted 91-0 in favor of House Bill 1059, requiring
> Indiana's public high schools to offer lessons on the Holocaust in U.S.
> history classes beginning in the 2007-08 school year.
>
> In addition, the bill requires schools to teach the importance of
> respecting the dignity and value of others.
>
> Rep. Clyde Kersey, D-Terre Haute, said the bill is needed because people
> persist in denying that the Holocaust occurred, and many Indiana classes
> never get around to teaching about it, even though the state's
> educational standards already direct history teachers to do so.
> Under the bill, the lessons would be required by law.

NOW THE JEWISH LIES HAVE REACHED A PINNACLE, HOLOFUCKS TO BE TAUGHT IN 
SCHOOL! IS THAT AFTER THE HOMOSEXUAL SUBJECTS OR BEFORE?



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: What muslims believe - from the islam comic book
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On Jan 27, 2:42 pm, "Shmaryahu b. Chanoch"  
wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> On Jan 27, 6:36 pm, "jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk"
>
>  wrote: it's in pdf here   (though this website itself is badly designed now,
>  the pdf is still fine)http://www.islamcomicbook.com/comics/english/
> pdfs/MBOE-HIRES.pdf
>
>  It's very accurate.  I once had a muslim ask me if orthodox jews are
>  allowed to drink camel milk. I knew the answer, but I also knew the
>  inspiration for his question.  (how I answered him is another matter
> -
>  I didn't let on that I knew his inspiration for it, I wasn't aiming
> at
>  proving islammic text to be anti semtic. But that's another [short]
>  story).
>
>  That comic is very accurate, you can check the translations, since it
>  includes references, and many muslim websites have translations .

PULL YOUR HEAD IN JEWSLIME, AND DO NOT RIDICULE A FAITH IF YOU DO NOT 
WANT YOURS RIDICULED.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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http://www.izvestia.ru/armia2/article3100472/



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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: HAREDI: Set Fire To Immodest Clothing - NETA SELA - YETNEWS
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On Jan 27, 12:29 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3357145,00.html
> Haredi crusade against immodest clothing goes up in flames
>
> Haredi extremists in Jerusalem
> discover reason for troubles
> befalling Israeli people:
>
> Immodest clothes worn by women.
>
> For months,
> activists go door to door
> collecting clothes that don't
> hold up to rabbis' modesty
> standards.
>
> Thursday confiscated clothes set ablaze,
> pamphlets with list of forbidden clothes
> distributed
>
> Neta Sela Published:  01.26.07, 03:28
>
> The war against immodesty waged by
> haredi extremists escalated Thursday
> night as clothes deemed "immodest"
> were set ablaze in Shabbat Square.
>
> The "clothes of impurity" were burned
> in a barrel in the center of the stage.
>
> Rabbis who spoke at the rally stood
> nearby admonished the crowd that
> congregated around the site.
>
> Burning clothes to fix
> troubles of people of Israel
> (Photo: Dudi Vaaknin)
>
> "We will get rid of the tight
> clothes and the Holy One,
> Blessed be He,
> will place his mercy on us,"
> it was written on one of the
> signs held by the protestors.
>
> "Modesty is the only thing that
> needs to be corrected in our
> generation," the rabbis clarified,
> saying this would solve the troubles of today.
>
> "We must overcome this hurdle,"
> they pleaded.
>
> The clothes that were set on fire
> during the demonstration were
> collected by a haredi organization
> in the past few months in a
> door-to-door campaign held in
> haredi neighborhoods in Jerusalem.
>
> During the campaign,
> clothes deemed "immodest" were collected.
>
> Women rose to the challenge.
>
> The organization handed out coupons
> for "authorized shops" to those who
> handed over "forbidden clothing" so
> that they can buy new clothes.
>
> In an announcement
> published by the rabbis,
> they clearly define what
> is forbidden to wear:
>
> Tricot shirts
> Lycra shirts and skirts
> Open-collared shirts
> Short and tight skirts
> Skirts with a slit
> Skirts with a straight cut
> Long or bulky earrings
> Clothes and bags in loud, flashy colors
> Wigs that are too exclusive
> Transparent or colorful stockings
> Clunky shoes
>
> The result: Violence
>
> The war against immodesty has
> recently descended into violence.
>
> Extremists attacked women with
> various sprays who were wearing
> clothes that didn't fit their
> criteria.
>
> Clothing stores in
> Jerusalem have also been hurt.
>
> One of the stores near the center
> of the city sustained an attack of
> bleach bottles.
>
> Tens of thousands of shekels of
> damage was caused to the merchandise.
>
> Fear of the modesty guards is
> great in haredi neighborhoods.
>
> Yehudit,
> a haredi woman who works
> as a saleswoman in a clothing
> store in Geula said:
>
> "It is very scary,
> stressful, and unpleasant.
>
> A woman is wearing a skirt
> that cost NIS 200 (USD 50),
> and someone comes along and
> destroys it."
>
> Yehudit defines herself
> as a "modern haredi,"
>
> and claims that she and
> other women must not let
> "all of these protests affect us.
>
> It doesn't bother me at all."
>
> She also claims,
>
> "I haven't changed the clothes I wear.
>
> I haven't met one modern haredi
> woman who has purchased a new
> wardrobe or shorter wig because
> of the demonstrations."

For a moment I thought you were talking about Taliban!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:04:57 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Nigger Claims he isn't a Muslim
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On Jan 27, 7:29 pm, "richard"  wrote:
> "Anonymous"  wrote in messagenews:849d3fe4d4414cfd2a5096f88d15a62d@ecn.org...
>
> > Next I suppose he will say he is jewish.
> > Fucking coons.  Cowtowing to the jews.The true Muslim religion would never allow a black man to be a member.
> That is why they came up with the Black Muslim religion.
> asshole! yeah you.

At least half of the muslims of this world are either black or Asian



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On Jan 27, 5:17 pm, "Omega"  wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=25e76872-
> b309-47a7-841b-938bdd9ffd71&k=76582
>
> Jihadization of youth a 'rapid process'
> CSIS: Study Of Extremism
>
> Stewart Bell
> National Post
>
> Friday, January 26, 2007
>
> TORONTO - Canada's intelligence service says a "very rapid process" is
> transforming some youths from angry activists into jihadist terrorists
> intent on killing for their religion.
>
> Enraged over what they perceive as a Western "war on Islam" and coaxed
> on by extremist preachers, a few have embraced terrorism with
> frightening speed, the service warns in a new study. "The
> transformation from radical to jihadist can be a very rapid process,"
> says the "secret" report by the Canadian Security Intelligence
> Service, obtained by the National Post.
>
> The study, released under the Access to Information Act, is the
> government's latest attempt to understand why a handful of Canadian
> Muslims are alleged to have become involved in terrorist plots. It
> comes as a preliminary hearing is underway in Brampton, Ont., for four
> of 18 suspects charged for their alleged role in a Canadian terrorist
> group accused of plotting attacks in southern Ontario.
>
> For at least the past two years, CSIS has been studying how some young
> people have been lured into terrorism. They are particularly
> interested in what made them radicalized and how they evolved from
> radicals to violent terrorists, a process known as "jihadization."
>
> The conclusion: It depends on the individual. But analysts have come
> up with a list of factors they say are leading some Muslims to
> radicalism. They include the belief in the need to defend Islam from
> perceived Western aggression, the influence of spiritual leaders and
> extremist family members, and overseas training, the report says.
>
> "The most important factor for radicalization is the perception that
> Islam is under attack from the West. Jihadists also feel they must
> preemptively and violently defend Islam from these perceived enemies.
>
> "They also watch what is happening in the Islamic world and the many
> conflicts that involve 'Western' or other aggression: Palestine,
> Kashmir, Iraq, Chechnya, Afghanistan, and others.
>
> "A few will act on these events and support or carry out terrorism in
> an attempt to change Western foreign or military policy. These
> individuals take the violent defence of Islam as a personal goal and
> religious obligation."
>
> Those who undergo this process of radicalization reject mainstream
> Islam and instead adopt a narrow, literal, intolerant interpretation,
> CSIS says.
>
> The CSIS report notes that the failure of some Muslim immigrants to
> integrate into Western society is also a factor, but "this is seen
> more in European countries where the Muslim communities are more
> homogenous and there has been less integration than in North America."
>
> Many Canadians were shocked when the RCMP announced last June 3 it had
> arrested a group of adults and juveniles for allegedly planning truck
> bombings in Toronto. The group had also allegedly stockpiled firearms
> and intended to take hostages at the Parliament buildings in Ottawa
> and behead them unless Canada pulled its troops out of Afghanistan.
>
> Prosecutors allege the suspected terrorists were encouraged partly by
> an extremist leader who has claimed that Canadian troops are only
> deployed to Afghanistan to rape Muslim women.
>
> The report notes that younger jihadists are now often getting their
> inspiration online from spiritual leaders who are "available 24/7."
>
> While most of those allegedly involved in the "homegrown" terror group
> were arrested, investigators say Canada harbours other pro-al-Qaeda
> extremists who could quickly escalate to violence.

"JESUS CAMPS" IN UNITED STATES ARE TRAINIG FANATICAL TERRORISTS ALSO 
TO "FIGHT FOR JESUS". HUNDREDS OF JESUS CAMPS ARE PREPARING FASCIST 
YOUTH OF USA FOR THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 27, 7:00 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article <1169865412.157050.319...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Venceremos  wrote:
>
> > ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC STATEMENT COMING FROM MCVAY THE NANAIMO STUPID
> >FOOL!
>
> >IF SEMITISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANTI SEMITISM, HOW COME PRO
> >GERMANISM HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH ANTI GERMANISM.
>
> >IDIOT MCVAY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE 350 MILLION SEMITES IN
> >ADDITION TO ABOUT 10 MILLION  KIKE KVETCHERSI rest my case.

REST WHAT YOU WANT DONKEY, I KNOW WHAT A SEMITE MEANS AND WHAT ANTI 
STANDS FOR, IF YOU DO NOT. ZIONAZIS HAVE CHANGED EVEN THE MEANING OF 
ENGLISH LANGUAGE IN ORDER TO PROMOTE THEIR NON EXISTENT "SEMITISM"



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Who are "our enemies?" Why, Iran, of course. was Re: MORE ;LIES FROM THE WAR CRIMINAL, MORE AMERICANS DIE FOR ISRAEL
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 If Americans knew who the real enemies are there wouldn't be a single 
Jew left in this country within seven days



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 WHO HAS NEVER SERVED IN NO ARMY DARES TO CALL THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED 
STATES A NAZI



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On Jan 28, 6:45 am, AnonMoos  wrote:
> Yep, that's your late beloved Saddam, with all his chemical weapons
> and amputations and torture chambers...

CAN YOU COME UP WITH SOME MORE FUCKING LIES?
U.S. OCCUPATION HAS KILLED ALMOST A MILLION IRAQIS, AND YOU BLKAME 
SADDAM FOR THAT????



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 28, 5:18 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > Car bombs, for which the
> > occupiers are responsible,Alex are the police in a city responsible for murders that take place in
> their city?

ABSOLUTELY!  WHAT IS THE JOB OF THE POLICE OTHER THAN STOPPING THE 
VIOLENCE



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: UNGA RESOLUTION ON HOLOCAUST DENIAL
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On Jan 28, 7:36 am, "BARUCHSION"  wrote:
> Israel welcomes UNGA Resolution on Holocaust Denial
> (Communicated by the Foreign Ministry Spokesman)
>
> The Ministry of Foreign Affairs welcomes the passage of the UNGA
> resolution (26 January) condemning Holocaust denial.

IT IS A NON BINDING, NON VOTING SIMPLE STATEMENT SAYING THAT IF WE ARE 
TO CONDEMN THE JEWISH GENOCIDE AGAINST THE PALESTININS, AND U.S. 
GENOCIDE AGAINST IRANIANS, WE MUST ALSO CONDEMN THE GENOCIDE THAT 
EUROPEANS SUFFERED



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: IF AMERICA KNEW WHAT JEWS ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY
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THERE WOULD BE NO JEW LEFT IN USA INSIDE A WEEK!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 28, 12:55 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:41 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> While US compaines and whines about the Iranians entering Iraq ro help
> > their brothers fignt occupation, UNITED STATES IS PAYING 80,000
> > PROFESSIONAL KILLERS THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY TO SLAUGHTER IRAQIS!   So what?
>
>    Maybe those Iraqis should stand down.
>
>  Michael

Or maybe they should fight until the ZioNazi army is good and buried!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: LASQUETTE WOULD NOT ACCEPT  MC VAY
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 SO HE ENDED UP AS JEWISH DRUM BEATER IN ANAIMO



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On Jan 28, 3:49 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:31 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 28, 12:55 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 28, 5:41 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:> While US compaines and whines about the Iranians entering Iraq ro help
> > > > their brothers fignt occupation, UNITED STATES IS PAYING 80,000
> > > > PROFESSIONAL KILLERS THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY TO SLAUGHTER IRAQIS!   So what?
>
> > >    Maybe those Iraqis should stand down.
>
> > >  Michael
> >Or maybe they should fight until the ZioNazi army is good and buried!   Since when was the ISRAELI army in Iraq?
>
>  Michael

 ALL THE TORTURERS OF ABU GHRAIB, AND MURDERERS OF DEATH SQUADS ARE 
EITHER ZIONAZIS OR THEIR QUISLINGS!



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 If Americans knew what Jews are doing to our beloved republic, there 
would be no Jew left here inside a week!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 28, 4:47 pm, "Israel Argaman Tekhelet" 
 wrote:
> 9 Shevat 5767/28 January 2007
>
> Israel Argaman Tekhelet's formal Appeal for revocation of ban on
> posting to SCJM.
>
> Because of the anti-Semitic, biased, unfair, and dishonest nature of
> certain moderators towards my Jewish identity that being an Israeli in
> the highest esteem of practical and unilateral observance of the
> Mitzvoth of the Torah given to us (The Jewish People) at Sinai from
> the hands of Moshe our teacher that was authorized to distribute said
> such Law by God Almighty himself, it is my God given right to post to
> SCJM in order to enlighten the Universe of the mission of said such
> existence of my humble and deserving being.
>
> The nucleus of success in Judaism depends on the correct propagation
> of the wavelengths that are Jewish thought that I emit normally in
> coherent oscillation when not insulted, tortured, ridiculed and
> persecuted in order to cause my propagations to be incoherent.
>
> With this said as we face the new age of Quantum Computing I feel the
> bits & qubits that are the source of logic in the Jewish mind for
> computing that is blended in to our elaborate and highly holy beings
> has created this time to revoke my suppression and again allow me to
> post to SCJM in order to prevent the future Holocaust of human beings
> that is being perpetrated by those that have no respect or decent
> feelings for not only the Jewish people but also for non-Jewish human
> beings as well, that love, respect and observe the Mitzvoth of the
> Torah of Moshe Rabbenu.
>
> Therefore I not only request, but demand to be allowed to post to SCJM
> in order to expose those that plan and practice atheists dialog that
> demeans the Jewish Faith and those that are entitled to the truth so
> that mankind can be blessed instead of cursed in the manner common to
> bogarting sinners.
>
> I remain,
> Israel Argaman Tekhelet

JUST TELL 'EM FUCK 'EM, TEKHELET



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On Jan 28, 7:14 pm, "Spaz"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in messagenews:1170008940.866307.231240@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> > THERE WOULD BE NO JEW LEFT IN USA INSIDE A WEEK!Not only does America know what Jews do for America, they support Jews 100%.
> You are COMPLETELY wrong.

YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT THIS AMERICAN AND ABOUT 700 OTHERS PISSES ON JEWS



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Subject: Re: Report shows anti-Semitism on the rise - YAAKOV LAPPIN - YETNEWS
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On Jan 28, 7:40 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3358000,00.html
> Report shows anti-Semitism on the rise
>
> Press conference by Jewish Agency
> reveals startling rise in anti-Semitic
> incidents across the world in 2006,
> including two murders.
>
> Austria sees 66 percent rise in incidents,
> Germany sees 60 percent rise,
> Russian incidents up by 20 percent
>
> Yaakov Lappin Published:  01.28.07, 19:01
>
> A worrying rise in anti-Semitism has
> been recorded around the world,
> according to the Jewish Agency's
> Global Forum Against Anti-Semitism.
>
> The figures were released during
> a press conference held in Jerusalem
> on Sunday afternoon.
>
> According to the figures,
> there was a 66 percent rise
> in anti-Semitic incidents in Austria,
> while Germany saw a 60 percent rise.
>
> In France, there was a 20 percent
> increase in anti-Semitic incidents,
> with the same level of increased
> incidents reported in Russia.
>
> In the UK,
> reports of anti-Semitic
> attacks dropped by three
> percent.
>
> Amos Hermon, of the Forum,
> reported the rise, which included
> two anti-Semitic murders.
>
> One victim, Ilan Halimi,
> a French Jew murdered in
> January of 2006,
>
> will be buried in Israel next month.
>
> The other, Pamela Wechter,
> was shot dead by a Muslim gunman
> in the Jewish Federation Building
> in Seattle in July.
>
> Images of a bullet-ridden Oslo synagogue,
> and worshippers at a Moscow synagogue coming
> under attack were included in a booklet
> about the current state of anti-Semitism
> in the world.
>
> Equating Israel with Nazism
>
> "There have been hundreds of violent incidents,"
> Hermon said, drawing particular attention to
> the plight of European Jews.
>
> He emphasized Europe's 20
> million-strong Muslim community,
> adding that being in Jewish in
> France meant
>
> "encountering anti-Semitism frequently."
>
> The French government was,
> however, doing its best to
> counter anti-Semitism, Hermon added.
>
> Shoah Conference
>
> Iran to rule: Was there a Holocaust? / Dudi Cohen
>
> Conference to begin in Iran Monday,
> with participants from 30 nations
> pondering whether Holocaust happened.
>
> Iranians,
> who according to deputy foreign minister
>  'can serve as neutral judges,' will decide
>
> Europe was also scene to
> "pure white Christian anti-Semitism,"
> Hermon said, citing an article last
> August by Norwegian author Jostein Gaarder,
> who wrote in the Aftenposten newspaper:
>
> "The State of Israel in its
> present form is history.
>
> We no longer recognize
> the State of Israel.
>
> Do not worry, Israel will go to exile again."
>
> Almost all forms of anti-Semitism,
> from the anti-Israel boycott attempts
> by the radical Left,
>
> to the propaganda of Islamic extremists,
> shared the attempt to equate the State of
> Israel with Nazi Germany, Hermon pointed out.
>
> He displayed a Swedish cartoon in
> which Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is
> portrayed as a Nazi concentration
> camp guard.
>
> By equating Israel with Nazism,
> anti-Semites hoped to spread the
> "message that the Jewish nation has
> no right to exist,
>
> because the Nazis,
> according to international consensus,
> have no right to exist," Hermon explained,
> adding that this was the charge in Iran's
> state anti-Semitism.
>
> Anti-Semitism in Iran
>
> Iran's Judeophobia raises fears over
> what Tehran "would do if it obtained
> nuclear weapons,"
>
> Israel's Foreign Minister,
> Tzipi Livni, said during
> the press conference.
>
> Livni said that Iran 's
> nuclear program and anti-Semitic
> rhetoric were linked,
>
> and called on the United Nations
> to act against the outpouring of
> anti-Semitism from Tehran .
>
> Citing Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial,
> and call for "Jews to return to Europe,"
> Livni said:
>
> "It is not enough for the
> United Nations to condemn this.
>
> These statements must not
> be acceptable in the world."
>
> The threat faced by the
> Jewish Diaspora from the
> global jihad movement was
> also highlighted,
> as was a statement by
> al-Qaeda's number two
> Ayman al-Zawahri, who said:
>
> "The strongest way of helping our
> Muslim brothers is to stroke the
> interests of the Jews and those
> who cooperate with them."
>
> "All of Europe's Jews know they
> can come to the sole Jewish State
> of Israel, which has the Law of Return,"
> Jewish Agency Chairman Zeev Bielski
> said during the conference.
>
> Among the list of states responsible
> for anti-Semitic output were Iran,
> Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon, as well
> as the Palestinian Authority.
> Speaking to Ynetnews,
> Bielski said that he believed
> "the Egyptian president
>
> "was doing its utmost to limit this,
> and I am sure that in every meeting
> we have with him or the Egyptian
> ambassador this issue comes up."

Am I surprised? Of course not, and nobody else should be. Aside of 
being faithful Abu Ghraib torturers, Jews have also slaughtered close 
to 700 Palestinain children last year alone! The world does not forget 
these things. jews will pay!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET KICKED OUT NANIMO SCUMBAG. RICKY JONES AND 
DON LOCKSTEAD ARE ON THE WAY SCUMBAG




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On Jan 28, 7:31 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerGuest.jhtml?itemNo=816023

ALL THE JEWS IN THE WORLD ARE THE RESULT OF MIXED MARRIAGES. NAME ONE 
FUCKING JEW WHO IS NOT!



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On Jan 28, 11:37 pm, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:33:42 GMT, flavi...@verizon.net aka Suzy Cohen
> the th*ck Irish cunt wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 28-Jan-2007, cactus  wrote:
>
> >> Don Ocean wrote:
>
> >> >> Your behavior betrays you. If you aren't, what are you? Just a garden
> >> >> variety antisemite?
>
> >> > And your a garden Variety Semite? I can't think of a better reason to be
>
> >> > antisemitic. That is a proud badge to wear. Indicating that the
> >> > wearer knows the difference between right and wrong! `After you Jews
> >> > finish Holocausting the Palestinainds,
>
> >If he's going to use a lie like this for an opener, I can just imagine
> >what comes next....If you're going to read the quoted text of people you've killfiled,
> there's not much point having a killfile, you th*ck Irish cunt.

Rev, methinks the Irish is after your body!



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 What Christians Don't Know About Israel
by Grace Halsell

American Jews sympathetic to Israel dominate key positions in all 
areas of our government where decisions are made regarding the Middle 
East. This being the case, is there any hope of ever changing U.S. 
policy? American Presidents as well as most members of Congress 
support Israel - and they know why. U.S. Jews sympathetic to Israel 
donate lavishly to their campaign coffers. .

The answer to achieving an even-handed Middle East policy might lie 
elsewhere-among those who support Israel but don't really know why. 
This group is the vast majority of Americans. They are well-meaning, 
fair-minded Christians who feel bonded to Israel - and Zionism - often 
>from atavistic feelings, in some cases dating from childhood.

I am one of those. I grew up listening to stories of a mystical, 
allegorical, spiritual Israel. This was before a modern political 
entity with the same name appeared on our maps. I attended Sunday 
School and watched an instructor draw down window- type shades to show 
maps of the Holy Land. I imbibed stories of a Good and Chosen people 
who fought against their Bad "unChosen" enemies.

In my early 20s, I began traveling the world, earning my living as a 
writer. I came to the subject of the Middle East rather late in my 
career. I was sadly lacking in knowledge regarding the area. About all 
I knew was what I had learned in Sunday School.

And typical of many U.S. Christians, I somehow considered a modern 
state created in 1948 as a homeland for Jews persecuted under the 
Nazis as a replica of the spiritual, mystical Israel I heard about as 
a child. When in 1979 I initially went to Jerusalem, I planned to 
write about the three great monotheistic religions and leave out 
politics. "Not write about politics?" scoffed one Palestinian, smoking 
a waterpipe in the Old Walled City. "We eat politics, morning, noon 
and night!"

As I would learn, the politics is about land, and the co-claimants to 
that land: the indigenous Palestinians who have lived there for 2,000 
years and the Jews who started arriving in large numbers after the 
Second World War. By living among Israeli Jews as well as Palestinian 
Christians and Muslims, I saw, heard, smelled, experienced the police 
state tactics Israelis use against Palestinians.

My research led to a book entitled Journey to Jerusalem. My journey 
not only was enlightening to me as regards Israel, but also I came to 
a deeper, and sadder, understanding of my own country. I say sadder 
understanding because I began to see that, in Middle East politics, we 
the people are not making the decisions, but rather that supporters of 
Israel are doing so. And typical of most Americans, I tended to think 
the U.S. media was "free" to print news impartially.

"It shouldn't be published. It's anti-Israel."
In the late 1970s, when I first went to Jerusalem, I was unaware that 
editors could and would classify "news" depending on who was doing 
what to whom. On my initial visit to Israel-Palestine, I had 
interviewed dozens of young Palestinian men. About one in four related 
stories of torture.

Israeli police had come in the night, dragged them from their beds and 
placed hoods over their heads. Then in jails the Israelis had kept 
them in isolation, besieged them with loud, incessant noises, hung 
them upside down and had sadistically mutilated their genitals. I had 
not read such stories in the U.S. media. Wasn't it news? Obviously, I 
naively thought, U.S. editors simply didn't know it was happening.

On a trip to Washington, DC, I hand-delivered a letter to Frank 
Mankiewicz, then head of the public radio station WETA. I explained I 
had taped interviews with Palestinians who had been brutally tortured. 
And I'd make them available to him. I got no reply. I made several 
phone calls. Eventually I was put through to a public relations 
person, a Ms. Cohen, who said my letter had been lost. I wrote again. 
In time I began to realize what I hadn't known: had it been Jews who 
were strung up and tortured, it would be news. But interviews with 
tortured Arabs were "lost" at WETA.

The process of getting my book Journey to Jerusalem published also was 
a learning experience. Bill Griffin, who signed a contract with me on 
behalf of MacMillan Publishing Company, was a former Roman Cath olic 
priest. He assured me that no one other than himself would edit the 
book. As I researched the book, making several trips to Israel and 
Palestine, I met frequently with Griffin, showing him sample chapters. 
"Terrific," he said of my material.

The day the book was scheduled to be published, I went to visit 
MacMillan's. Checking in at a reception desk, I spotted Griffin across 
a room, cleaning out his desk. His secretary Margie came to greet me. 
In tears, she whispered for me to meet her in the ladies room. When we 
were alone, she confided, "He's been fired." She indicated it was 
because he had signed a contract for a book that was sympathetic to 
Palestinians. Griffin, she said, had no time to see me.

Later, I met with another MacMillan official, William Curry. "I was 
told to take your manuscript to the Israeli Embassy, to let them read 
it for mistakes," he told me. "They were not pleased. They asked me, 
"You are not going to publish this book, are you?" I asked, "Were 
there mistakes?" "Not mistakes as such. But it shouldn't be published. 
It's anti-Israel."

Somehow, despite obstacles to prevent it, the presses had started 
rolling. After its publication in 1980, I was invited to speak in a 
number of churches. Christians generally reacted with disbelief. Back 
then, there was little or no coverage of Israeli land confiscation, 
demolition of Palestinian homes, wan ton arrests and torture of 
Palestinian civilians.

The Same Question
Speaking of these injustices, I invariably heard the same question, 
"How come I didn't know this?" Or someone might ask, "But I haven't 
read about that in my newspaper." To these church audiences, I related 
my own learning experience, that of seeing hordes of U.S. 
correspondents covering a relatively tiny state. I pointed out that I 
had not seen so many reporters in world capitals such as Beijing, 
Moscow, London, Tokyo, Paris. Why, I asked, did a small state with a 
1980 population of only four million warrant more reporters than 
China, with a billion people?

I also linked this query with my findings that The New York Times , 
The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post - and most of our 
nation's print media - are owned and/or controlled by Jews supportive 
of Israel. It was for this reason, I deduced, that they sent so many 
reporters to cover Israel - and to do so largely from the Israeli 
point of view.

My learning experiences also included coming to realize how easily I 
could lose a Jewish friend if I criticized the Jewish state. I could 
with impunity criticize France, England, Russia, even the United 
States. And any aspect of life in America. But not the Jewish state. I 
lost more Jewish friends than one after the publication of Journey to 
Jerusalem - all sad losses for me and one, perhaps, saddest of all.

In the 1960s and 1970s, before going to the Middle East, I had written 
about the plight of blacks in a book entitled Soul Sister, and the 
plight of American Indians in a book entitled Bessie Yellowhair, and 
the problems endured by undocumented workers crossing from Mexico in 
The Illegals. These books had come to the attention of the "mother" of 
The New York Times, Mrs. Arthur Hays Sulzberger.

Her father had started the newspaper, then her husband ran it, and in 
the years that I knew her, her son was the publisher. She invited me 
to her fashionable apartment on Fifth Avenue for lunches and dinner 
parties. And, on many occasions, I was a weekend guest at her 
Greenwich, Conn. home.

She was liberal-minded and praised my efforts to speak for the 
underdog, even going so far in one letter to say, "You are the most 
remarkable woman I ever knew." I had little concept that from being 
buoyed so high I could be dropped so suddenly when I discovered - from 
her point of view - the "wrong" underdog.

As it happened, I was a weekend guest in her spacious Connecticut home 
when she read bound galleys of Journey to Jerusalem. As I was leaving, 
she handed the galleys back with a saddened look: "My dear, have you 
forgotten the Holocaust?" She felt that what happened in Nazi Germany 
to Jews several decades earlier should silence any criticism of the 
Jewish state. She could focus on a holocaust of Jews while negating a 
modern day holocaust of Palestinians.

I realized, quite painfully, that our friendship was ending. Iphigene 
Sulzberger had not only invited me to her home to meet her famous 
friends but, also at her suggestion, The Times had requested articles. 
I wrote op-ed articles on various subjects including American blacks, 
American Indians as well as undocumented workers. Since Mrs. 
Sulzberger and other Jewish officials at the Times highly praised my 
efforts to help these groups of oppressed peoples, the dichotomy 
became apparent: most "liberal" U.S. Jews stand on the side of all 
poor and oppressed peoples save one - the Palestinians.

How handily these liberal Jewish opinion-molders tend to diminish the 
Palestinians, to make them invisible, or to categorize them all as 
"terrorists."

Interestingly, Iphigene Sulzberger had talked to me a great deal about 
her father, Adolph S. Ochs. She told me that he was not one of the 
early Zionists. He had not favored the creation of a Jewish state.

Yet, increasingly, American Jews have fallen victim to Zionism, a 
nationalistic movement that passes for many as a religion. While the 
ethical instructions of all great religions - including the teachings 
of Moses, Muhammad and Christ - stress that all human beings are 
equal, militant Zionists take the position that the killing of a non-
Jew does not count.

Over five decades now, Zionists have killed Palestinians with 
impunity. And in the 1996 shelling of a U.N. base in Qana, Lebanon, 
the Israelis killed more than 100 civilians sheltered there. As an 
Israeli journalist, Arieh Shavit, explains of the massacre, "We 
believe with absolute certitude that right now, with the White House 
in our hands, the Senate in our hands and The New York Times in our 
hands, the lives of others do not count the same way as our own."

Israelis today, explains the anti-Zionist Jew Israel Shahak, "are not 
basing their religion on the ethics of justice. They do not accept the 
Old Testament as it is written. Rather, religious Jews turn to the 
Talmud. For them, the Talmudic Jewish laws become "the Bible." And the 
Talmud teaches that a Jew can kill a non-Jew with impunity.

In the teachings of Christ, there was a break from such Talmudic 
teachings. He sought to heal the wounded, to comfort the downtrodden.

The danger, of course, for U.S. Christians is that having made an icon 
of Israel, we fall into a trap of condoning whatever Israel does - 
even wanton murder - as orchestrated by God.

Yet, I am not alone in suggesting that the churches in the United 
States represent the last major organized support for Palestinian 
rights. This imperative is due in part to our historic links to the 
Land of Christ and in part to the moral issues involved with having 
our tax dollars fund Israeli-government-approved violations of human 
rights.

While Israel and its dedicated U.S. Jewish supporters know they have 
the president and most of Congress in their hands, they worry about 
grassroots America - the well-meaning Christians who care for justice. 
Thus far, most Christians were unaware of what it was they didn't know 
about Israel. They were indoctrinated by U.S. supporters of Israel in 
their own country and when they traveled to the Land of Christ most 
all did so under Israeli sponsorship. That being the case, it was 
unlikely a Christian ever met a Palestinian or learned what caused the 
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

This is gradually changing, however. And this change disturbs the 
Israelis. As an example, delegates attending a Christian Sa beel 
conference in Bethlehem earlier this year said they were harassed by 
Israeli security at the Tel Aviv airport.

"They asked us," said one delegate, "Why did you use a Palestinian 
travel agency? Why didn't you use an Israeli agency?" The 
interrogation was so extensive and hostile that Sabeel leaders called 
a special session to brief the delegates on how to handle the 
harassment. Obviously, said one delegate, "The Israelis have a policy 
to discourage us from visiting the Holy Land except under their 
sponsorship. They don't want Christians to start learning all they 
have never known about Israel."

Grace Halsell is a Washington, DC-based writer and author of Journey 
to Jerusalem and Prophecy and Politics



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 FUCKING LIARS! THEY KILL WOMEN AND KIDS AND CALL THEM IR !
SURELY AMONGST THE 250, AT LEAST HALF WOULD HAVE BEEN NON COMBASTANTS



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On Jan 29, 12:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:
> [Follow-ups set]
>
> January 29
>
> 1943
>
> In a secret circular transmitting OKH instructions, Martin
> Bormann provided for the enforcement of labor demands on
> Prisoners of War through the use of fire-arms and corporal
> punishment
>
 FUCKING LIAR! MY UNCLE WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO GO TO WORK INSTEAD OF 
SITTING IN OSNABRUCK FOR FOUR LONG YEARS AS A PRISONER



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On Jan 28, 11:51 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> "Venceremos"  wrote in messagenews:1170045875.846232.220150@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> > As I would learn, the politics is about land, and the co-claimants to
> > that land: the indigenous Palestinians who have lived there for 2,000
> > years and the Jews who started arriving in large numbers after the
> > Second World War.This chick is kidding, isn't she?

NO KIDDING AT ALL ARSEHOLE!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: LYNCH IN RAMALLAH was Re: "CHOSEN AND GOOD", ONLY ALLOWED TO ENTER THE HOLY LAND
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On Jan 29, 4:36 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > besieged them with loud, incessant noises, hung
> > them upside downAlex we know that the PA are the ones that hung people upside down

IS PA HOLDING 12,000 JEWS IN A TORTURE CAMP, DOES PA HAVE WOMEN AND 
CHILDREN IMPRISONED IN THE TORTURE CHAMBERS?

ONE DAY WHEN PA START FUCKING JEWS YOU WILL BE SQUEELING LIKE A STUCK 
PIG!



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On Jan 29, 4:21 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> > MosNews also reports that Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov has
> > repeatedly said the arms deal did not violate any international
> > treaties or UN resolutions because the Tor-M1 system is defensive only
> > and cannot be used to attack. In December of 2005, when Russia signed
> > to deal, and the US responded by saying it was not good for the US or
> > the region, Mr. Ivanov replied that it was "a legitimate deal between
> > the two countries, no matter if someone liked it or not."So what right do the Russians have to complain about the US plans to
> build defensive shield against nuclear missiles?

YOU STUPID DOPE, INCREASE OF MILITARY THREATS ONLY INCRESES THREAT TO 
THIS WORLD. THE WEAPONS RUSSIA GAVE IRAN ARE SIMPLY DEFENSIVE WEAPONS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Yemeni Jews flee Islamist threat
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On Jan 29, 5:34 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  Forty-five Jewish people in Yemen have taken refuge in a hotel in northern
> Yemen after receiving death threats from Muslim extremists.
> The group fled their village 10 days ago when they were confronted by masked
> radical Islamist gunmen.
>
> The minority community has followed a traditional way of life in the village
> of Salem for centuries.
>
> But, earlier this month, the Salem Jews received a letter accusing them of
> spreading vice and corruption.
>
> The message was clear - the Jews must leave the country or lose their lives.
>
> Decade-long insurgency
>
> Dawoud Yousef Mousa and his neighbours fled to Saada City, the provincial
> capital.
>
> Since then, the group has been living in the Paris Tower hotel at the
> expense of a local tribal sheikh, despite the authorities' promise to
> guarantee their safe return home.
>
> Saada's governor claimed the threats against the Jews came from Zaydi Shia
> rebels, who have fought a decade-long insurgency in northern Yemen.
>
> The extremists are said to belong to a banned organisation known as the
> Youthful Believers, who want to replace Yemen's democratic government with
> an Islamic theocracy.
>
> Most of Yemen's 60,000 Jewish people were evacuated to Israel during
> Operation Magic Carpet following anti-Jewish riots in 1948.
>
> Now, Yemen's tiny Jewish minority numbers just several hundred people.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6307745.stm
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com
That is happening all over the world, stupido. Jews are not having a 
very good time in Europe, South America and even in Australia. If you 
kill you might be killed



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On Jan 29, 5:29 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
>  A suicide bomber attacked a bakery in the southern Israeli town of Eilat,
> killing three people, police said.
> Witnesses speaking on Israeli radio said body parts were scattered
> throughout the building.
>
> It would be the first such attack by Palestinian militants inside Israel
> since in April 2006.
>
> The Red Sea resort of Eilat is popular among Israelis and foreign tourists,
> having largely avoided violence by Palestinian militants.
>
> The building that was hit is located in a residential area in the town.
> Broken glass and baking equipment lay on the pavement outside.
>
> "Our assumption is that it's not one bomber, and there might be more bombers
> in Eilat right now," said Bruno Stein, Eilat's police commander.
>
> Three separate Palestinian militant groups have reportedly said they were
> behind the attack: Islamic Jihad, al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and a previously
> unknown group calling itself the Army of Believers.
>
> A spokesman for Islamic Jihad told AP news agency that the attacker came
> from the West Bank, but gave no other details.
>
> The last suicide attack was at a Tel Aviv restaurant, killing 10 people.
> Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces in that time,
> mainly in the Gaza Strip.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6309029.stm
>
> --
> Tilly...@Removethis.gmail.com

Violence breeds violence. Having 12,000 Palestinians in dozens of 
gulags does not help Israelis at all



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On Jan 29, 8:43 am, "Tilly"  wrote:
> Venceremos wrote:
>
> > That is happening all over the world, stupido. Jews are not having a
> > very good time in Europe, South America and even in Australia. If you
> > kill you might be killedJews in Oz aren't having a difficult time, it is Muslims/Islamists that are
> disliked.

That is not a feather in the Jew hat! What is happening to muslims 
will be happening to Jews as well before long



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Must See Video - Judea Declares War On Germany - Holohoax
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On Jan 29, 7:18 pm, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:19 am, "Ford"  wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=HonestMedia
> > Is that why you dont have freedom of speech anymore?How long have you been suffering the delusion that posting this sort
> of garbage is somehow indicative of a lack of freedom of speech?
>
> Deborah

Jews are garbage I agree whole heartedly, and Jewish declaration of 
economic war had resulted in the starvation of tens of thousands of 
Germans in 1930's, because the Jews controlled food importation into 
Germany.



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On Jan 28, 2:26 pm, r...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson) wrote:
> In article <2aOdnZdrH929aSbYnZ2dnUVZ_sudn...@giganews.com>,
>
> B'inyamin Cramer  wrote:   ("Holocaust revisionism" drivel snipped)
>
>    Just deal with the evidence,  "Ben".
>
>    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1673471.stm
>
>    Mass graves found at Nazi camp
> Researchers have discovered seven mass graves at the Sobibor Nazi
> death camp in north-eastern Poland.
>
>    The research team,  which began its government-sponsored investigation
> in the summer,  said the graves -- the largest of which is about half
> the size of a football pitch -- contain charred remains.
>
>    
>
>    A very elaborate study of the mass graves in the Belzec death camp was
> conducted a few years ago by a team of Polish archaeologists,  headed by
> Prof. Andrzej Kola from the University of Torun in Poland,  who is the
> author of more than 130 papers on archaeology.  The team studied the site
> of the death camp,  drilling 1,700 bore holes and investigating the core
> samples.  The results are summarized in an 84 page report (ANDRZEJ KOLA:
> "BELZEC.  THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES.
> Excavations 1997-1999".  ISBN 83-905590-6-4).  The study has recovered
> human remains over a very large area,  to a depth of up to six meters.
> The minimal estimate to the volume of the graves is 21,000 cubic meters.
>
> RJ.
Look nobody in the world denies that Holocaust is a fact of life many 
millions of people lost their lives under inhuman living conditions 
and executions. What I have a problem with is that all these people 
killed by the Nazis were Jews. About ten million Russians lost their 
lives in slave labour camps and concetration camps, nobody even knows 
how many millions of gypsies died, to say nothing aboput tens of 
thousands of partizans from Italy, Yugoslavia, Poland Bukovina, 
Ukraine etc. who were all interned in those camps. One of my relatives 
was interned in Sachsenhausen. THE TROUBLE IS THAT ALL I EVER HEAR IS 
JEWS, JEWS, JEWS!

THERE WERE LESS THAN FOUR MILLION JEWS IN THE HITLER OCCUPIED EUROPE, 
SO HOW THE FUCK COULD ADOLF KILL SIX MILLION?



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 Nobody is stupider than the fucking Jew. You kill children, kill 
people destroy property, but when finally it comes your turn to face 
paredon, you squeel like a stuck pig!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Holocaust Deniers and Their Supporters
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Nobody denies the Holocaust of Europe, what we deny is the Jewish lies 
that six million Jews died there. IT IS A LIE!, because there were 
less than four million of Jews in the Hitler occupied Europe 
altogether. Besides, 3.25 million Jews of Europe claimed reparations 
>from Germany in 1946.

WHAT YOU ARE PEDDLING ARE LIES DODIE, THERE WERE NO SIX MILLION JEWS 
AVAILABLE TO KILL IN THE FIRST PLACE

IN OTHER WORDS YOU JEWISH BASTARDS ARE LIARS!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: So how many years was the Crusades that Islamists still rage about?
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On Jan 29, 1:56 pm, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
> Sixty three years ago is ancient history- eh?
> So how many years was the Crusades that Islamists still rage about?

ACTUALLY, IT IS THE JEWS WHO WERE THE VICTIMS OF THE CRUSADES ALSO, 
NOT JUST MUSLIMS



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 29, 1:32 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 29, 12:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:> [Follow-ups set]
>
> > > January 29
>
> > > 1943
>
> > > In a secret circular transmitting OKH instructions, Martin
> > > Bormann provided for the enforcement of labor demands on
> > > Prisoners of War through the use of fire-arms and corporal
> > > punishment
> >FUCKING LIAR! MY UNCLE WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO GO TO WORK INSTEAD OF
> > SITTING IN OSNABRUCK FOR FOUR LONG YEARS AS A PRISONER   The only way anyone in your family suffered during the Holocaust is
> if your grandpa had to leave behind the artwork that he stole and flee
> to Paraguay.
No such luck, I lived in the Mountains of Montenegro, eating whatever 
I could steal from Carabineri and Nazis, and sleeping in the woods 
arsehole. Sometimes, I thought I would have been better of in 
concetration camp.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 29, 1:35 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 28, 4:44 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> On Jan 28, 7:14 pm, "Spaz"  wrote:
>
> > > "Venceremos"  wrote in messagenews:1170008940.866307.231240@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > THERE WOULD BE NO JEW LEFT IN USA INSIDE A WEEK!Not only does America know what Jews do for America, they support Jews 100%.
> > > You are COMPLETELY wrong.
> >YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT THIS AMERICAN AND ABOUT 700 OTHERS PISSES ON JEWS   You are a coward through and through, Nazi.
>
>    So, did your grandpa help clear the Lodz Ghetto?
>
>  Michael
And up your arse jewboy!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: A very good photograph
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On Jan 29, 3:11 pm, "DoD"  wrote:
> Whenever I read the anti-semites on this board say that Israelis are nothing
> more than Europeans ....I look at this photograph of 4 very different
> looking people looking misty eyed at the western wall on the morning of June
> 7th after it had been cut off from them for the past 18 years.

Liar! The wall built by Abasids in order to support the cemetery 
above, was always available to anyone willing to bang his or her head 
against it.

>
> These 4 men look extremely different from one another, but I will give you
> three guesses what they all have in c

I really have nothing against the Jewish faith at all, but I am 
certain that there is no semitic drop of blood in any of those Jew 
bastards



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On Jan 29, 1:39 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 28, 6:53 pm, "Venceremos"  wrote:> US senators reject Iraq troop 'surge'   So then American troops are "Zionazis"?
>
>  Michael
American troops are doing the ZioNazi dirty work, no difference than 
being a ZioNazi!

Unfortunately we have become subservient to the evil cult of Zionism



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On Jan 30, 7:52 am, "Binyamin Cramer"  
wrote:
> "DoD"  wrote in messagenews:Axsvh.2103$dd.2035@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>
> > Whenever I read the anti-semites on this board say that Israelis are
> > nothing
> > more than Europeans ....I look at this photograph of 4 very different
> > looking people looking misty eyed at the western wall on the morning of
> > June
> > 7th after it had been cut off from them for the past 18 years.
>
> > These 4 men look extremely different from one another, but I will give you
> > three guesses what they all have in common.
> >http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p214/DoDsbucket/Soldiers.jpgThey've lost their knob ends?
>
At both ends!



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Subject: Re: for serwad: israel is more progressive
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On Jan 30, 6:21 am, "captain."  wrote:
> the first muslim minister was sworn in.
> are there any jews in the saudi parliament. oh wait... they are not even a
> democracy...
>
> israel is more progressive.
Right! Israel is more progressive all right. Can you name any other 
country in Middle East which has concetration camps holding between 12 
and 20 thousand innocent people in them?

Saudis are smart they kicked the vermin out, a good example for us



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On Jan 30, 6:26 am, "TheEnigmaMachine" 
 wrote:
> "captain."  wrote in messagenews:DSFvh.18612$Fd.10256@edtnps90...
>
> > the first muslim minister was sworn in.
> > are there any jews in the saudi parliament. oh wait... they are not even a
> > democracy...
>
> > israel is more progressive.I don't even think women are allowed to drive there.
Unlike in Israel where women are sentenced to the back of the bus, 
unless they want to get beaten up senseless



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: The Salt of the Earth (Christians) and the Scum of the Earth
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On Jan 30, 3:37 am, "Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God" 
 wrote:
> God divided Humanity into Christian Race and Criminal Races.

Christianity is not a race! It is a faith. There are about 270 
Christian cults, which one of them is right for you?



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On Jan 30, 12:05 am, kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam wrote:
> [Follow-ups set]
>
> January 30
>
> 1933
>
> Adolf Hitler becomes Chancellor of Germany.
>
> 1939
>
> During his Reichstag speech, Adolf Hitler declares: "Today I
> will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish
> financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging
> the nations once more into a world war, then the result will
> not be the Bolshevizing of the earth, and thus the victory
> of Jewry,

Hitler was right on the knocker there!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:05:16 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Marked rise in attacks on Jews in Europe over the past year - By Amiram Barkat, Haaretz Correspondent
Date: 30 Jan 2007 06:24:08 -0800
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On Jan 29, 12:59 pm, "torresdD"  wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/818803.html

There is no need to wonder why, just take one look at the suffering of 
Palestinians under the zioNazi jackboot



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: for serwad: israel is more progressive
Date: 30 Jan 2007 07:05:44 -0800
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On Jan 30, 9:24 am, BernardZ  wrote:
> In article ,
> YouCanCallMeMe...@WoHochtDieBus.de says...
>
>
>
> > "captain."  wrote in message
> >news:DSFvh.18612$Fd.10256@edtnps90...
> > > the first muslim minister was sworn in.
> > > are there any jews in the saudi parliament. oh wait... they are not even a
> > > democracy...
>
> > > israel is more progressive.
>
> > I don't even think women are allowed to drive there.I remember reading how a US women jet pilot stationed in Saudi Arabia is
> not allowed to drive a car.
 UNLIKE IN ISRAEL WHERE WOMEN ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE IN THE FRONT OF 
THE BUS



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:05:16 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: UN Resolution condemning Holocaust denial.
Date: 30 Jan 2007 07:07:53 -0800
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 IT WAS NOT A RESOLUTION PER SE, RESOLUTION HAS TO BE VOTED ON THIS 
CRAP WAS NOT VOTED ON!



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:05:17 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: THIS IS WHY I DEFEND "TERRORISTS"
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The U.S. Army's Criminal Investigation Division has begun an 
investigation into this video, which was first posted on IraqSlogger 
last week.

The clip, originally linked via a now defunct account on YouTube, 
purports to show a former guard from Abu Ghraib talking about torture 
techniques employed at the American-run prison. The man also recounts 
the gang rape of a female teenage detainee, in which one guard 
"pimped" the girl to others for $50 each. As he recalls, "I think at 
the end of the day he'd made like 500 bucks before she hung herself."

According to chief of public affairs Christopher Grey, "CID Special 
Agents are looking into the matter and take this issue very seriously. 
I am not able to provide you with any further details of our activity 
at this time due to investigative reasons."

At this point, there is no way to confirm if the video is a true 
representation or not. The video has no publicly-identifiable source 
at this point, the primary subject appears almost completely in 
shadow, and the footage has obviously been edited down into a concise 
3-minute package.

Previous soldier/atrocity items have caused great media stir, only 
later to be proven hoaxes. As Grey noted, "We have seen situations 
where people post videos and pictures on the Internet pretending or 
leading people to believe they are U.S. soldiers, when in fact they 
were not even in the military or they never served in OIF or OEF."

The most notorious hoaxes of the Iraq war have been that of Jesse 
Macbeth, London's Daily Mirror torture photos, and the faked beheading 
video, though each proved relatively easy to discount once an 
investigation had begun.

The man allegedly beheaded by Zarqawi had given his full name in the 
video; the FBI had only to verify he was alive and well in San 
Francisco to close that case in August 2004.

Photos published by the Daily Mirror in May 2004 purportedly showed 
British soldiers beating a hooded Iraqi and throwing him into the back 
of the truck. The Ministry of Defence quickly established that the 
featured truck had never been in Iraq, though it took a little more 
investigating to catch the soldiers who'd staged the incident.

In early 2006, soon after Jesse Macbeth became a publicly outspoken 
"Iraq war vet" willing to detail atrocities wreaked by the U.S. 
military, DoD verified that he had never even completed basic 
training.

Since there are no visual clues or names attached to this new video 
that would immediately rule it out as a hoax, CID will have to do some 
digging to find out more about its source and main subject. Though 
Grey declined answering any questions about the approach CID would 
take to the investigation, circumstances dictate they must start with 
YouTube.

The Abu Ghraib guard video was first posted on YouTube last Monday by 
a user called "Deathlyillington." Multiple e-mails to the account went 
unanswered, and Internet research has turned up no other users posting 
under that name on any other public Websites.

YouTube has no legal justification to share information about 
Deathlyillington with IraqSlogger, but according to its own Privacy 
Notice, the U.S. government needs only to request assistance.


YouTube also reserves the right to disclose personally identifiable 
information and/or non-personally-identifiable information that 
YouTube believes, in good faith, is appropriate or necessary to 
enforce our Terms of Use, take precautions against liability, to 
investigate and defend itself against any third-party claims or 
allegations, to assist government enforcement agencies, to protect the 
security or integrity of our web site, and to protect the rights, 
property, or personal safety of YouTube, our Users or others.

The Deathlyillington account was pulled from YouTube within 24 hours 
of Iraqslogger bringing it to CID's attention, which may indicate that 
they have already been in contact and are aggressively forging ahead 
with the investigation.

IraqSlogger will be following up with CID in the coming weeks and will 
keep this post updated as new information becomes available.

For now, since the blogosphere has assumed the mantle of uber-citizen/
journalist, IraqSlogger would like to invite fellow bloggers to do 
some digging of their own. Please send us links to any new information 
you uncover regarding this video.

Reader tips on Deathlyillington or the alleged Abu Ghraib guard can be 
submitting anonymously, or otherwise, via our "Tips" button on the 
homepage.

A complete transcript of the video is available here. http://
www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/923/

video link: http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/1079/
US_Army_Investigating_New_Torture_Allegati



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From: "Venceremos" 
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>    I am not Jewish, but feel free to do something about it... if you
> are not SCARED.
>
>  Michael
"SCARED" OF WHAT? YOU? YOU CAN SUCK IT ANY TIME YOU WISH




From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:05:18 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: U.S. SENATE REJECTS ZIONAZI "SURGE"
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On Jan 30, 11:36 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:

>    And who are these ZioNazis that the American troops are doing work
> for?
>
>  Michael
 i   s   r   a   e   l   i   s




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: USA IS "PROGRESSIVE, TOO!
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 The U.S. Army's Criminal Investigation Division has begun an 
investigation into this video, which was first posted on IraqSlogger 
last week.

The clip, originally linked via a now defunct account on YouTube, 
purports to show a former guard from Abu Ghraib talking about torture 
techniques employed at the American-run prison. The man also recounts 
the gang rape of a female teenage detainee, in which one guard 
"pimped" the girl to others for $50 each. As he recalls, "I think at 
the end of the day he'd made like 500 bucks before she hung herself."

According to chief of public affairs Christopher Grey, "CID Special 
Agents are looking into the matter and take this issue very seriously. 
I am not able to provide you with any further details of our activity 
at this time due to investigative reasons."

At this point, there is no way to confirm if the video is a true 
representation or not. The video has no publicly-identifiable source 
at this point, the primary subject appears almost completely in 
shadow, and the footage has obviously been edited down into a concise 
3-minute package.

Previous soldier/atrocity items have caused great media stir, only 
later to be proven hoaxes. As Grey noted, "We have seen situations 
where people post videos and pictures on the Internet pretending or 
leading people to believe they are U.S. soldiers, when in fact they 
were not even in the military or they never served in OIF or OEF."

The most notorious hoaxes of the Iraq war have been that of Jesse 
Macbeth, London's Daily Mirror torture photos, and the faked beheading 
video, though each proved relatively easy to discount once an 
investigation had begun.

The man allegedly beheaded by Zarqawi had given his full name in the 
video; the FBI had only to verify he was alive and well in San 
Francisco to close that case in August 2004.

Photos published by the Daily Mirror in May 2004 purportedly showed 
British soldiers beating a hooded Iraqi and throwing him into the back 
of the truck. The Ministry of Defence quickly established that the 
featured truck had never been in Iraq, though it took a little more 
investigating to catch the soldiers who'd staged the incident.

In early 2006, soon after Jesse Macbeth became a publicly outspoken 
"Iraq war vet" willing to detail atrocities wreaked by the U.S. 
military, DoD verified that he had never even completed basic 
training.

Since there are no visual clues or names attached to this new video 
that would immediately rule it out as a hoax, CID will have to do some 
digging to find out more about its source and main subject. Though 
Grey declined answering any questions about the approach CID would 
take to the investigation, circumstances dictate they must start with 
YouTube.

The Abu Ghraib guard video was first posted on YouTube last Monday by 
a user called "Deathlyillington." Multiple e-mails to the account went 
unanswered, and Internet research has turned up no other users posting 
under that name on any other public Websites.

YouTube has no legal justification to share information about 
Deathlyillington with IraqSlogger, but according to its own Privacy 
Notice, the U.S. government needs only to request assistance.


YouTube also reserves the right to disclose personally identifiable 
information and/or non-personally-identifiable information that 
YouTube believes, in good faith, is appropriate or necessary to 
enforce our Terms of Use, take precautions against liability, to 
investigate and defend itself against any third-party claims or 
allegations, to assist government enforcement agencies, to protect the 
security or integrity of our web site, and to protect the rights, 
property, or personal safety of YouTube, our Users or others.

The Deathlyillington account was pulled from YouTube within 24 hours 
of Iraqslogger bringing it to CID's attention, which may indicate that 
they have already been in contact and are aggressively forging ahead 
with the investigation.

IraqSlogger will be following up with CID in the coming weeks and will 
keep this post updated as new information becomes available.

For now, since the blogosphere has assumed the mantle of uber-citizen/
journalist, IraqSlogger would like to invite fellow bloggers to do 
some digging of their own. Please send us links to any new information 
you uncover regarding this video.

Reader tips on Deathlyillington or the alleged Abu Ghraib guard can be 
submitting anonymously, or otherwise, via our "Tips" button on the 
homepage.

A complete transcript of the video is available here. http://
www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/923/

video link: http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/1079/
US_Army_Investigating_New_Torture_Allegati



From serwad@bellsouth.net Wed Sep  5 18:05:19 EDT 2007
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From: "Venceremos" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Germany Claims the Holohoax occurred!
Date: 30 Jan 2007 13:43:27 -0800
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On Jan 30, 4:28 pm, Anonymous  wrote:
> "Germany believes that denying the deaths
> of over six million Jews should be a crime
> Diplomats said the move was aimed at Iran,
> whose President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
> dismisses the murder of six million Jews by
> the Nazis and their collaborators in World
> War II as a lie.  See:  http://tinyurl.com/39szmx
>
> ==
>
> The facts are out there about the Holohoax.
> And the jews hate it.  That's why they are
> getting laws on the books to make Holohoax
> revisionism a crime.  They are frantic to get
> Holohoax research websites shut down.
> There's only one version in their diseased
> minds.  The hebrew one.
>
> Six million dead my ass.
>
> Buck Turgidson        turgid...@nym.alias.net
>
> "You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of
> Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism."
>
>         - Cindy Sheehan

You got that one right on the knocker, Cindy girl!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 30, 3:10 pm, "Salah Jafar"  wrote:
> First Arab Nominated for Holocaust Honor
>
> By MATTI FRIEDMAN
>
> Updated: 28 minutes ago
> JERUSALEM - At the height of World War II, Khaled Abdelwahhab hid a group of
> Jews on his farm in a small Tunisian town, saving them from the Nazi troops
> occupying the North African nation.
>
> Now, Abdelwahhab has become the first Arab nominated for recognition as
> "Righteous Among the Nations," an honor bestowed on non-Jews who risked
> their lives to save Jews from Nazi persecution.
>
> The nomination of Abdelwahhab, who died in 1997, has reopened a little-known
> chapter of the Holocaust in the Arab countries of North Africa.
> Abdelwahhab was nominated by Robert Satloff, director of the Washington
> Institute for Near East Policy, a U.S. think tank.
>
> Satloff said that after the Sept. 11 attacks, he went to Morocco to research
> what happened during the Nazi genocide in hopes of countering Holocaust
> denial in the Arab world and tempering some of the sentiments he thought
> helped pave the way for the attacks.
>
> "I asked, did any Arabs save Jews in the Holocaust?" Satloff said. "If they
> did, these are stories about which Arabs could be proud. It would also
> entail accepting the context, because it would mean there was something to
> save Jews from."
>
> The search led to Abdelwahhab, the son of an aristocratic family who was 32
> when German troops arrived in Tunisia in November 1942. The nation was home
> to some 100,000 Jews at the time.
>
> According to Israel's Holocaust memorial, Yad Vashem, the Germans imposed
> anti-Semitic policies in Tunisia that included fines, forcing Jews to wear
> Star of David badges and confiscating property. More than 5,000 Jews were
> sent to forced labor camps, where 46 are known to have died. About 160
> Tunisian Jews in France were sent to European death camps.
>
> Abdelwahhab served as an interlocutor between the population of the coastal
> town of Mahdia and German forces, Satloff said.
>
> When he heard that German officers were planning to rape Odette Boukris, a
> local Jewish woman, he gathered her family and several other Jewish families
> in Mahdia _ around two dozen people _ and took them to his farm outside
> town. He hid them for four months, until the occupation ended.
>
> "Khaled is the finest example, though not the only one, of an Arab who saved
> Jews from persecution during the German occupation," Satloff said.
>
> Satloff first heard Abdelwahhab's story several years ago from Odette
> Boukris' daughter, Anny Boukris, a resident of a Los Angeles suburb. An
> 11-year-old in 1943, Anny Boukris was also hidden by Abdelwahhab.
>
> Satloff went to Mahdia and talked to Anny Boukris' childhood friends, who
> confirmed the story. Just weeks after Boukris recorded her 83-page
> testimony, she died at age 71.
>
> Abdelwahhab still has to be approved by the Yad Vashem commission that
> grants the honor. Since the war, Yad Vashem has conferred the status on
> 21,700 people, including some 60 Muslims from the Balkans. But no Arab had
> ever been nominated.
>
> "The commission will decide based on the strict criteria for recognizing the
> Righteous Among the Nations. We can't speculate on what the outcome will
> be," said Estee Yaari, a spokeswoman for Yad Vashem.
>
> Tunisia was the only North African country to come under direct Nazi rule.
> Morocco and Algeria were governed by the pro-Nazi collaborators of Vichy
> France.
>
> Bruce Maddy-Weitzman, a North Africa expert at Tel Aviv University, said
> Morocco's king at the time, Mohammed V, intervened to protect Jews in his
> country. "But the story in Tunisia was quite different, because there was a
> direct occupation by the German army," he said.
>
> Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
> not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Hey Salah, welcome back, Salaam!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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 You forgot the barber shops, beer halls, Winn Dixie, and Publix!

WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT!



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Berlin Holocaust Memorial Used as Toilet
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On Jan 30, 6:42 pm, "ADL Reporter"  wrote:
> "...Just days after Holocaust Memorial Day, when the world
> commemorated the 62nd anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, it
> has emerged that Berlin's Holocaust Memorial has been used for a
> highly inappropriate purpose by members of the public. In the first
> few months after it opened in May 2005, the memorial in Berlin's city
> center was used as a public urinal...." See more at URL below.
>
> http://antidefamationleague.us/
> #berlin_holocaust_memorial_used_as_toilet

Same with the Miami Memorial Jews built, if you go there early 
mornings you see shit all over the place. They clean it up, but 
visitors often pee on the ridiculous statues of writing women in the 
middle of the place.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: Mass Graves Found the the Ukraine
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On Jan 30, 5:50 pm, Anonymous  wrote:
> Interesting story.  Turns out the people killed
> here were killed by jew soviet commissars, not
> Nazis, as the hebrew community alleged.

You better believe it pal. My f ather's family in Posad Pokrovskoe was 
slaughtered by the Jewish Commissars by a bullet in the back of the 
head. More than 40 people the bastards killed that day



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On Jan 30, 6:56 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1109/p20s01-lire.html
>
> Backstory: A priest's crusade on Holocaust
>
> Patrick Desbois is a conscience and chronicler of little-known
> massacre of Jews in Ukraine.

FUCKING LYING BASTARD! 40 MEMBERS OF MY FATHER'S FAMILY WERE 
SLAUGHTERED BY THE FUCKING JEWISH COMMISSARS AT POSAD POKROVSKOE BY A 
BULLET IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. THEY DID THE SAME THING TO THE BABES 
IN ARMS, WHOM THE JEW RAISE OUT OF THE CRADDLE AND SHOT IN THE BACK OF 
THE HEAD, ALSO!

OUT OF 103 CHEKA COMMISSARS IN UKRAINE, 93 WERE JEWS!



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Dear Mother:

I brought you my hurts and troubles when both they and I were little: 
in that same spirit I bring them to you today.

Only last year, a new white flag with single blue six-pointed star was 
hoisted to a mast many thousands of miles away on the east coast of 
the Mediterranean Sea. This flag of Israel is the symbol of a new 
nationalist state, with its own government, army, foreign policy, 
language, national anthem and oath of allegiance.

And this new flag has brought every one of us five million American 
citizens of the ancient faith of Judah to a parting in the road.

Judaism, I have felt, was a religious faith which knew no national 
boundaries, to which a loyal citizen of any country could adhere.

By contrast, Zionism was and is a nationalist movement organized to 
reconstitute Jews as a nation with a separate homeland. Now that such 
a state exists, what am I? Am I still

only an American who believes in Judaism? Or am I-as extreme Zionists 
and anti-Semites alike argue-a backsliding member of an Oriental tribe 
whose loyalty belongs to that group?

Let us start, Mother, with how I feel about this new State of Israel. 
I wish it well. I hope that several hundred thousand suffering 
displaced persons will find in it a happy home. I hope it will prosper 
as a center of democracy in the Middle East. But when its flag was 
first raised on May 14, 1948, I had no impulse to dance in the street 
with hysterical joy, as did so many in New York and London. For I was 
born and remain an American. I have no ties with, no longings for, and 
feel no responsibilities to Israel. And I believe that the future 
happiness of the Jews in America depends on their complete integration 
as citizens of this-our true-country.

I am sure that if we Jews as a group are persuaded to divide that love 
which people normally give to their native land, it can lead only to 
disaster.

The Irish? They are a nation and Judaism is a religion. Irishmen here 
have left Ireland only in recent generations. The Jews left Palestine 
in Roman times, and have come here from every European country.

My one and only homeland is America. I am proud of my belief in the 
age-old Judaic concept of one God in Heaven and one Humanity here 
below. But my faith does not pull me into a feeling of narrowly tribal 
kinship with all others who worship God in this way. Whenever I read 
of Americans singing the Hatikvah, Israel's national anthem, or see 
youth groups raising Israel's flag beside the Stars and Stripes. I am 
outraged. For Israel's flag and anthem are symbols of a foreign 
state; ,they are not mine.

The most powerful weapon which Zionism is using on Americans of Jewish 
faith is its outward cloak of humanitarianism. The argument runs that 
Israel was set up primarily as a haven for the persecuted, the 
homeless, so why should we be critical?

Mother, the truth is that Israel was not created primarily for 
displaced persons. Instead, Article 3 of its proposed constitution 
proclaims it to be "the national home of the Jewish people." Meaning, 
Mother, you and me! As early as 1917 Dr. Chaim Weizmann, Israel's 
first president, was proclaiming: "We have never based the Zionist 
Movement on Jewish suffering in Russia or any other land. These 
sufferings have never been the mainspring of Zionism."

Rabbi Abba H. Silver, a recent head of the American Zionists, 
declared: "We must stand foursquare on the proposition that Zionism is 
not an immigration or a refugee movement, but a movement to rebuild 
the Jewish State for the Jewish nation in the land of Israel."

And what is the attitude of Israel toward those who adhere to the 
faith of Judaism but are citizens of other countries? Our 
"nationality" they insist is Jewish, no matter under what flags we 
were born; and, since we are not in Israel, we live "in the Diaspora," 
which is to say in exile. And their plans for us?

"We must," explained Prime Minister Ben-Gurion, in his first speech 
after the Israeli elections, "save the remnants of Israel in the 
Diaspora. We must also save their possessions. Without these two 
things, we shall not build this country."

So the vast Zionist propaganda machine strives to cement national ties 
between Israel and all persons of Jewish faith. And sending money to 
Israel is only a small part of our supposed obligation. The deeper 
objectives are given by Dr. Margoshes, an executive of the American 
Section of the Jewish Agency, as being:

" - to Zionize world Jewry. . .to establish Zionist hegemony over the 
developing Jewish communities throughout the world."

Daniel Frisch, newly elected president of the American Zionists, feels 
that "the American Jewish community will soon arrive at the inevitable 
conclusion that the all-day school plus a chain of summer camps is the 
only solution to the problem," and that "we ought to be able to send 
to Israel American-bred young people who want to live as Jews minus 
the hyphen under the smiling skies of the reborn Israel. Our task has 
not ended with the birth of the Jewish State. It has but begun."

Have these misguided zealots forgotten the indignation which was 
aroused in America In the '30's, when the Bundists tried to tell 
Americans of German ancestry that they owed loyalty to Germany, and 
set up in America youth camps dedicated to German culture?

Today we see Zionists boasting of "Jewish" political strength, Zionist 
picket lines around British consulates, Zionists demonstrating against 
Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin when he arrives here to sign the 
Atlantic Pact, New York stores plastered with posters screaming "Do 
Not Buy British. Made Goods."

Are these people acting as Americans? Europe's recovery through the 
Marshall Plan is the keystone of our bipartisan foreign policy, which 
the Communists are trying to sabotage. Any boycott of British goods, 
organized or unorganized, helps this destruction. Now I know these 
Zionists were not consciously trying to tear down American foreign 
policy, but their actions were the inevitable result of living under 
segregation is not solely the fault of the other guy. Part of the 
responsibility is on our shoulders. True, the Jew is sometimes 
segregated by Christians. But it is also true that the Jew sometimes 
sets himself apart from Christians.

We have moved out of the ghetto, but sometimes scars of the long 
imprisonment remain. This is why many Jews even today feel at home 
only with other Jews. Many carry their Jewishness on their sleeves and 
are extremely self-conscious and sensitive to their separateness.

ALL OF THIS I understand: most of it I forgive. After all, six million 
Jews were wiped out by Hitler and anti-Semitism does exist, even in 
America. Why should each of us not be at least a little sensitive? 
This I think most non-Jews understand. But when anyone criticizes, 
however mildly, either Zionism, the State of Israel or the hysterical 
behavior of some groups of Jews. we have no right to shout "anti-
Semitism!"

In any religion one can find a small group of fanatics who hate those 
of other faiths. Such fanatics are not numerous or important. It is 
Semitism-the constant effort of some Jews to assert themselves as Jews-
and not their religion of Judaism which feeds anti-Semitism.

'No one knows better than you, Mother, that I, too. suffered 
humiliation from being a Jew. I have felt the arrows of 
discrimination. In my deep hurt I have cried out. But the discipline 
of two nationalisms. Were Hitler alive today, how he would laugh!

The plain fact is that we Jews are not a race and we should not let 
the Zionists persuade us that we are. Proof to the contrary lies in 
Palestine, plain for all to see. You had my letter, Mother, from my 
Army furlough there. I was second to none in my enthusiasm for. what 
my co-religionists had done-for a desert brought to bloom, for clean 
new cities rising out of age-old sand dunes. All of these wonders had 
come to pass while only a few fanatics talked of statehood. One 
evening I went to see a performance ,of an opera in Jerusalem. In that 
theater lobby you could distinguish almost at a glance the Yiddish-
speaking Ashkenazic Jew from Poland, the Spanish-speaking Sephardic 
Jew from North Africa or Turkey, the German Jew, Jews from a score of 
countries all differing in dress, language, manners and mental 
attitudes. I had visual proof of the arguments of anthropologists. who 
laugh at the notion of a distinct Jewish race.

Anyone who tells me those foreign Jews are exclusively my people that 
I should be closer to them than to Bob McCormick, the kid on the block 
with whom I used to play ball: or to Nick Galbraith, who roomed next 
to me at Cornell; or Dave Du Vivier with whom I studied in law school-
that man is talking dangerous nonsense. I have also learned, Mother, 
that when something. goes wrong in my relations with non-Jews. I avoid 
the habit of thinking that it happened just because I am a Jew. Such 
self-pity is comforting, but it is usually wrong and therefore 
dangerous.

There is today a deep split among Americans of the Jewish faith. The 
Zionists are the more vocal; they have more organized political power. 
But they do not speak for all of us, and I hope not for most. On the 
other side there is, for instance, the American Council for Judaism, 
which insists that the nationalism of Israel must be confined to the 
boundaries of that state. There are also countless other Jews without 
any affiliation who revere Judaism as a religion and scorn to degrade 
it into a cheap racial nationalism which competes with their 
Americanism.

But when we protest the right of the Zionists to speak as "American 
Jewry" on the question of Palestine, we are told that Jews should not 
be disunited, must not fight among themselves on Palestine or any 
other issue. And if we still speak out against what we feel is a 
dangerous trend, we find ourselves reviled and ostracized as traitors. 
Coercion, often economic, frequently silences the freethinker.

But why should Americans of Jewish faith be any more united on 
questions of American foreign policy than are Presbyterians, Baptists 
or Methodists?

Have we forgotten the words of Woodrow Wilson in 1915 when he warned 
all Americans: "You cannot become true Americans if you think of 
yourselves in groups. A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a 
particular national group in America has not yet become an American. 
And a man who goes among you to trade on your nationality is not 
worthy to live under the Stars and Stripes."

Politicians of both parties who in the last election played to "the 
Jewish vote"' in connection with Israel will do well to reread those 
words.

The answer to bigotry and anti-Semitism does not lie in fanatical 
Jewish nationalism. Of course the blowing-up of the King David Hotel, 
the hanging of the two British sergeants, the assassination of 
Bernadotte, the massacre of Arab women and children at Dier Yasin were 
all acts of tiny groups. But they have weakened the moral and 
spiritual stature of the world's oldest religion. Israel's terrorist 
Beigin and Hollywood's Ben Hecht, who encouraged such lawlessness by 
saying, "Every time you let go with your guns at the British betrayers 
of your homeland, the Jews of America make a little holiday in their 
hearts!" such people are doing the Jews more harm than any words which 
Goebbels spoke.

There was no holiday in my heart, nor in that of the late Rabbi J. L 
Magnes, president of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who said 
sadly following that Hecht statement: "We had always thought that 
Zionism would diminish anti-Semitism in the world. We are witness to 
the opposite."

All too many Christians have supported Zionism because they felt that 
Jews, having been persecuted, should now have what they want whether 
it is good or bad for them. Christian leaders can help us greatly. But 
Christian sympathy for Jews should be measured not in terms of support 
for Jewish nationalism in distant Israel but in accepting us as 
friends, neighbors and first-class citizens of this our country. That 
is true liberal Christianity. And also, Mother, good Judaism, that 
fine old faith which you taught me as a little child.

1949 The Reader's Digest Association, Inc. Pleasantville New York

Reprinted from the September, 1949 issue of The Reader's Digest.




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: for serwad: israel is more progressive
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On Jan 30, 6:21 am, "captain."  wrote:
> the first muslim minister was sworn in.
> are there any jews in the saudi parliament. oh wait... they are not even a
> democracy...
>
> israel is more progressive.

Just a puppet of the fascist Israeli government bought and paid for by
Mossad



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: What the FUCKS is American doing in Iraq?
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On Jan 31, 2:21 am, "truth"  wrote:
> "Ventura"  wrote in message
>
> news:45c03f4e$0$97222$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> > Not only the US invaded and take control of Iraq, but it now threatening
> > Iraq's neighbour, Iran.
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-airforce31jan31,0...
>
> The choice is up to the crazy Iranian President. He asked for war and he
> will get it.

Really? Ahmadinejad asked Americans to kill a million of Iraqis? And
to invade the Persian Gulf with dozens of warships>
Up your arse, idiot!



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On Jan 31, 2:03 am, "Ventura"  wrote:
> Not only the US invaded and take control of Iraq, but it now threatening
> Iraq's neighbour, Iran.http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-airforce31jan31,0...

This is about 30th time that USA has attacked another country since
WWII



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 31, 5:50 am, "dshar...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> The article and phoney claims come from self-proclaimed "journalist"
> Alison Weir -- not to be confused with the British historian -- a
> California-based ISMer and neo-Nazi slimeball, who owns the
> IfAmericansKnew hate site and published her articles on David Duke's
> site. 'Nuff said.
>
> Deborah

I wish our "President", the selected one ,told the truth the way David
Duke tells it



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: David was directly descended from Miriam the Prophetess, sister of Moshe Rabbenu.
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On Jan 30, 10:07 pm, "Wilhelm Daimler Gottlieb" 
wrote:
> David, King of Israel, was born of an elite and distinguished family.  His

There is no proof whatsoever that either Israel, or David or Moses,
ever existed. No documents, and no physical artifacts to prove
anything like that.Five thousand year old Egyptian stellas and
inscriptions tell the story of a great Egyptian civilization, but not
a shard exists which proves existence of Israel



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 The irony of the whole thing is that Bush invades Iraq, kills about a
million Iraqis, and complains that the neighbors of Iraq want to help
Iraqis to free themselves from the chains of the US occupation!!!



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 THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SHARD, MONUMENT, OR A PAPYRUS, THAT PROVES THAT
ISRAEL, KING DAVID OR MOSES EVER EXISTED



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 SO THEY TATOOED THE PROSONERS?
As if Jews were the only ones who received the tatoo? The tatoo is
simply there to keep track of the Jews who worked for the Nazis
building bombs to kill us who fought the Nazis. If Nazis wanted to
kill those Jews why would they need to tatoo them first? Stupid, isn't
it? Besides, why would the Nazis bring those Jews all the way to
Germany in order to kill them? I will tell you why; Nazis needed those
Jews to build bombs for them!

My uncle had  a number tatooed on his arm by the Nazis, and he was not
a Jew. He was in Sachsenhausen, a prisoner for four years.

The problem with you Jews is that you want to belittle the Holocaust
by making it a "Jewish affair". It was not, every European suffered,
and could have ended up in any of the 140 concetration camps.2.5
million Germans were imprisoned in the concetration camps by Hitler.
It did not take much; a word overheard criticizing the Furher, a
single piece of paper suggesting that one might support partizans, or
simply travelling outside your city without a travel document and an
Ausweis.

The more you bastards harp on Holocaust being a jewish thing, the more
people of the world realize that Jews are a bunch of liars.

I know because I lived through the Nazi occupation



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On Jan 31, 12:36 am, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article <1170210801.954579.155...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Leading Revisionist Scholar Alex Seredin  wrote:
>
> >On Jan 30, 6:56 pm, kmc...@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> >>http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1109/p20s01-lire.html
>
> >> Backstory: A priest's crusade on Holocaust
>
> >> Patrick Desbois is a conscience and chronicler of little-known
> >> massacre of Jews in Ukraine.
>
> >FUCKING LYING BASTARD! 40 MEMBERS OF MY FATHER'S FAMILY WERE
> >SLAUGHTERED BY THE FUCKING JEWISH COMMISSARS AT POSAD POKROVSKOE BY A
> >BULLET IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. THEY DID THE SAME THING TO THE BABES
> >IN ARMS, WHOM THE JEW RAISE OUT OF THE CRADDLE AND SHOT IN THE BACK OF
> >THE HEAD, ALSO!
>
> >OUT OF 103 CHEKA COMMISSARS IN UKRAINE, 93 WERE JEWS!
>
> http://www.newtimesbpb.com/Issues/2006-09-21/news/feature.html
>
> Net Hate in Neverland
>
 HOW FUCKING NICE!WHEN JEWISH CRIMES ARE EXPOSED, YOU CALL IT "HATE",
YOU FILTHY USELESS SON OF A WHORE!

THE CRIMES WHICH JEWS COMITTED AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA SURPASS BY
MANY TIMES ALL THE CRIMES COMITTED BY ADOLF HITLER!



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AND LIES ON THEIR BEHALF



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Sept. 17, 2006 - An in-your-face documentary out this weekend is
raising eyebrows, raising hackles and raising questions about
evangelizing to young people.

Speaking in tongues, weeping for salvation, praying for an end to
abortion and worshipping a picture of President Bush - these are some
of the activities at Pastor Becky Fischer's Bible camp in North
Dakota, "Kids on Fire," subject of the provocative new documentary,
"Jesus Camp."

"I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the
gospel as they are in Palestine, Pakistan and all those different
places," Fisher said. "Because, excuse me, we have the truth."

"A lot of people die for God," one camper said, "and they're not
afraid."

"We're kinda being trained to be warriors," said another, "only in a
funner way."

The film has caused a split among evangelicals. Some say it's designed
to demonize. Others have embraced it, including Fischer, who's helping
promote the film.

"I never felt at any point that I was exploited," Fischer said.

"I think there is a push right now in a lot of evangelical churches to
definitely keep the teenagers and keep the children in the faith,"
said Heidi Ewing, co-director of "Jesus Camp." "And this is one
version of that attempt."

A Growing Movement

This camp is, by many accounts, a small - and perhaps extreme - slice
of what some say is a growing, intensifying evangelical youth
movement.

Over the past decade and a half, enrollment at Christian colleges is
up 70 percent. Sales of Christian music are up 300 percent. Tens of
thousands of youth pastors have been trained.

Young people are targeted through Christian music festivals,
skateboard competitions and rodeos.

"This is an enormous youth movement," said Lauren Sandler, a secular,
liberal feminist from New York City who spent months among the
believers researching her new book, "Righteous."

Sandler says the evangelical youth movement will have a negative
impact on the country's future, because even the most moderate young
evangelicals are inflexible on issues such as abortion and gay
marriage.



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 31, 11:46 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> Sept. 17, 2006 - An in-your-face documentary out this weekend is
> raising eyebrows, raising hackles and raising questions about
> evangelizing to young people.
>
> Speaking in tongues, weeping for salvation, praying for an end to
> abortion and worshipping a picture of President Bush - these are some
> of the activities at Pastor Becky Fischer's Bible camp in North
> Dakota, "Kids on Fire," subject of the provocative new documentary,
> "Jesus Camp."
>
> "I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the
> gospel as they are in Palestine, Pakistan and all those different
> places," Fisher said. "Because, excuse me, we have the truth."
>
> "A lot of people die for God," one camper said, "and they're not
> afraid."
>
> "We're kinda being trained to be warriors," said another, "only in a
> funner way."
>
> The film has caused a split among evangelicals. Some say it's designed
> to demonize. Others have embraced it, including Fischer, who's helping
> promote the film.
>
> "I never felt at any point that I was exploited," Fischer said.
>
> "I think there is a push right now in a lot of evangelical churches to
> definitely keep the teenagers and keep the children in the faith,"
> said Heidi Ewing, co-director of "Jesus Camp." "And this is one
> version of that attempt."
>
> A Growing Movement
>
> This camp is, by many accounts, a small - and perhaps extreme - slice
> of what some say is a growing, intensifying evangelical youth
> movement.
>
> Over the past decade and a half, enrollment at Christian colleges is
> up 70 percent. Sales of Christian music are up 300 percent. Tens of
> thousands of youth pastors have been trained.
>
> Young people are targeted through Christian music festivals,
> skateboard competitions and rodeos.
>
> "This is an enormous youth movement," said Lauren Sandler, a secular,
> liberal feminist from New York City who spent months among the
> believers researching her new book, "Righteous."
>
> Sandler says the evangelical youth movement will have a negative
> impact on the country's future, because even the most moderate young
> evangelicals are inflexible on issues such as abortion and gay
> marriage.


BRINGING JESUS BACK
"It's an absolute, straight-up us-against-them," Sandler said. "It's,
you're either with us or you're against us. ... Not only are you a
sinner, but you are working for the enemy - the enemy being Satan."

Chap Clark, an associate professor at the Fuller Theological Seminary
who's trained youth pastors for decades, said people who see "Jesus
Camp" should not come away with the idea that evangelizing to youth
consists mainly of political indoctrination.

Clark said youth pastors focus much more on providing meaning to kids
who can't find it in a materialistic culture or in their family lives
- "which is going to translate into much healthier adults who are more
able to be into respectful dialogue and come alongside people who
disagree with them.

"I think this is a very hopeful time because of the youth ministry
movement," he added.

There's disagreement about whether this movement is good for the
country and whether the movie is an accurate portrayal of the
movement.

But there's growing agreement that these children will have a real
impact. One child in "Jesus Camp" goes so far as to say, "We're a key
generation to bringing Jesus back."



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From: "Venceremos" 
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On Jan 31, 1:56 pm, "NefeshBarYochai"  wrote:
> On Jan 31, 6:32 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 10:07 pm, "Wilhelm Daimler Gottlieb" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > David, King of Israel, was born of an elite and distinguished family.  His
>
> > There is no proof whatsoever that either Israel, or David or Moses,
> > ever existed. No documents, and no physical artifacts to prove
> > anything like that.Five thousand year old Egyptian stellas and
> > inscriptions tell the story of a great Egyptian civilization, but not
> > a shard exists which proves existence of Israel
>
> Obviously an idiot like Venceremos has never visited The Tomb of King
> David in Jerusalem.  I'd like to see how brave he is there with his
> bullshit rants.

Jews built a Tomb to Rambam, even though he was buried in Cairo!X
Jews bang their heads on the wall built by Abasids, thinking that this
was the wall of Temple
Stupid bunch of arseholes, who have no past and no future




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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: David was directly descended from Miriam the Prophetess, sister of Moshe Rabbenu.
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On Jan 31, 2:26 pm, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:
>  wrote in messagenews:Ad5wh.7707$635.7396@trndny05...
>
> > On 31-Jan-2007, Anonymous coward forging  wrote:
>
> >> "Wilhelm Daimler Gottlieb"  wrote in message
> >>news:rod594-9n.ln1@news2.homelinux.org...
> >> > David, King of Israel, was born of an elite and distinguished family.
> >> > His
> >> > ancestors are mentioned in the Torah as men of importance and
> >> > outstanding
>
> >> Really- who gives a shit?
>
> > Your mother must have, or you wouldn't even be here.
>
> A real "knee slapper"! Are you three years old "flavia"?

Last I heard she is seven foot wide momma with the arse the size of
the back of the bus



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: UK stops Moslem murder of an Apostate...
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On Jan 31, 1:09 pm, "Omega"  wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2:26 pm, Stuart Grey 
> wrote:
>
> >http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1249593,00.html
>
> > UK Police have stopped a Islamic terrorist cell from murdering a British
> > soldier. The soldier offended the Islamic terrorist by serving the UK in
> > Afghanistan. Torture and beheading is how these animals treat those who
> > don't tow the Moslem line of not raising a hand against other Moslems
> > who murder infidels.

CRAP! Like all the other accusations this will prove to be a lie



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: DOD, IS A USELESS LIAR, UNEDUCATED AND STUPID
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 DODIE THE USTASHA IS THE STUPIDEST, LIAR ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH

READ ALFRED M. LILIENTHAL IDIOT. HE IS A JEW LIKE YOU



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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: There is no "Jewish" nation, language, state, or religion, nor will ever be
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On Jan 31, 8:02 pm, "Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God"
 wrote:
> "Jewish" language, nation, state, and religion are Pharisaic scam

And there never was any Jewish state,nation or language, and there is
nothing in the world to prove that there was one



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On Jan 31, 12:23 am, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 30, 11:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
>
> > >    I am not Jewish, but feel free to do something about it... if you
> > > are not SCARED.
>
> > >  Michael
>
> > "SCARED" OF WHAT? YOU? YOU CAN SUCK IT ANY TIME YOU WISH
>
>    It is amazing that your Nazi pals can post maps and directions to
> someone's house, and yet never show up.
>
>  Michael

Nobody can stand the smell of a Jew or a Jew house!



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On Jan 31, 6:20 pm, Miriam Cohen  wrote:
> Omega wrote:
> > On Jan 31, 2:26 pm, Stuart Grey 
> > wrote:
>
> >>http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1249593,00.html
>
> >>UK Police have stopped a Islamic terrorist cell from murdering a British
> >>soldier. The soldier offended the Islamic terrorist by serving the UK in
> >>Afghanistan. Torture and beheading is how these animals treat those who
> >>don't tow the Moslem line of not raising a hand against other Moslems
> >>who murder infidels.
>
> >http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007050177,00.html
> >http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23383716-details/Ninth+arr...
>
> > This war is bigger than just Iraq or even Afghanistan.  It is a battle
> > for a one world government under Islamic law.  It is being fought in
> > 124 countries.  Often it is Muslims being targeted by radical
> > Muslims.  Homosexuals are being targeted for death under Islamic
> > laws.  Women are killed for being too expressive.  It is about being a
> > pure Muslim without Western corruption.
>
> It amazes me how many people don't know that. Are they just not paying
> attention?
>
> --
> L'Chaim
>
> Miriam
 Stupid American public cannot see that all the White House advisers,
aids, and arse lickers are muslims. They do not know that Islamic
symbols adorn the White House walls, and that Mohabarat of Syria
operates the Pentagon. You tel 'em Mimi




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 January 31, 2007

New York Times reporter, Chris Hedges, has written an extraordinary
book, American Fascism: The Christian Right And The War On America.
Having survived a Christian fundamentalist background myself, I marvel
at the timely urgency of Hedges' book, but also, at the obtuse
disconnect most Americans have with the pivotal thesis of his book:
the power of the religious right in the United States to bring forth a
nation whose totalitarian repression could dwarf that of Nazi Germany
in the 1930s. As Hedges notes, we are well on the path toward such a
reality, and the Domionist Christian right is a principal player in
the process. While the nucleus of that movement is small, measuring
only about 1% of evangelicals and led by the likes of James Dobson,
Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and John Hagee, those leaders are
supported by throngs of evangelicals sympathetic to their theocratic
views who dutifully preach the consummate tenet of the movement,
submission. Citizens must submit to their government officials,
particularly the ones who claim to be born-again Christians and
receiving their orders from God; wives must submit to husbands;
children must submit to parents; and everyone must submit to the
teachings of the bible as interpreted by evangelical Christianity or
burn in hell. I will herein use the term "Christian fascism" or
"Cristo-fascism" as synonymous with a worldview and political
philosophy which are both fundamentalist Christian and fascist in
nature.

Recently, I viewed a chilling documentary "Jesus Camp", which examines
"the evangelical belief that a revival is underway in America that
requires Christian youth to assume leadership roles in advocating the
causes of their religious movement." [1]The film follows a group of
evangelical kids who attend a summer camp where they are taught to
become dedicated Christian soldiers in God's army. Under the
leadership of control-freak youth pastor, Becky Fischer, who makes
Nurse Ratchet in "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" look like Snow
White, the children are told that theirs is a unique generation-
perhaps the last on earth before the return of Christ to rapture his
church, and that just as Musilm children learn at an early age to
carry and use automatic weapons so that they can die for Islam,
Christian kids must learn to fight in the Jesus army in order to save
souls and take back America for God-and be willing to die for Jesus.

One not need be a licensed mental health professional to find the
emotional manipulation, indoctrination, and outright brainwashing of
the Jesus camp both repulsive and enraging. Its squeaky-clean, almost
exclusively white, puerile participants mouth all the right jargon,
concepts, and scripture verses impeccably and robotically like good
little Christian boys and girls-or more chillingly, like Hitler youth.
Jesus Camp is nothing less than childhood spiritual abuse on steroids,
leaving me personally and eternally grateful that as a child growing
up in fundamentalism, I wasn't subjected to anything worse in the
context of religious services than the raspy screams of bible-thumping
preachers

Hedges' brilliant article, "The Christian Right And The Rise Of
American Fascism" outlines several principles inherent in Christian
fascism, and to his list, I will add a few of my own:

1)Apocalyptic Violence-A central tenet of Cristo-fascism is the belief
that after the Rapture or Christ's returns to rescue Christian
believers and take them to heaven, a period of seven years, or the
Tribulation, will ensue in which an Anti-Christ will dominate the
world, and every horror imaginable will be unleashed on humankind.
Those who do not submit (again a pivotal word for Christian fascism)
and accept Christ as their personal savior, will be martyred but will
be assured of spending eternity in heaven with Christ. Those who do
submit will be condemned eternally to hell. After the Tribulation
period, Christ will return again with the "army" of Christians in
heaven, and the battle of Armageddon will be fought against the Anti-
Christ and his armies. The latter will be slaughtered by Christ and
his followers who will set up Christ's kingdom on earth where he will
reign for one thousand years, followed by the total and complete
destruction of earth as Christ and his followers return to heaven.

Sounds like a scene from the movie "Independence Day"? Actually, that
movie cannot begin to capture the heinous barbarity that Christian
fascism fantasizes will befall the earth and those who reject Christ.
That scenario is a bloodbath of unimaginable, avenging horrors. Note
that not only will non-Christian human beings be decimated, but so
will the earth itself, the outcome being twofold: Humans who do not
submit to Jesus will be destroyed, and the planet itself will be
annihilated. How delicious the vindication for the Cristo-fascist
psyche! Not only will people who reject their Jesus be grotesquely
punished, but their God will prove himself more powerful than the very
planet on which they live. Obviously, no need here to worry about
global warming-at least the kind created by humans. God will
incinerate the earth--his own instantaneous global warming, triumphing
over all enemies of both himself and the Christian fascists. As Hedges
notes, these fantasies of monstrous cruelty are appealing to many
within the Christian-fascist movement because "The loss of
manufacturing jobs, lack of affordable health care, negligible
opportunities for education and poor job security has left many
millions of Americans locked out. This ideology is attractive because
it offers them the hope of power and revenge. It sanctifies their
rage."[2] And if any group of people on earth is enraged, it is the
Cristo-fascists whose rancor is every bit as caustic and virulent as
that of any Islamist fundamentalist on a suicide mission.

2) One reason Hedges labels these individuals fascist has not only to
do with their positioning themselves on the political right, but
specifically, their fanatical insistence on submission to theocratic
government. Had George Orwell been a born-again Christian, twenty-
first century Cristo-fascists would probably declare him a saint. (War
is holy, and killing is sacred.) Their preferred polity is biblical
totalitarianism in which the principles embraced by secular society
are perceived as untrue and antithetical to their God and his Word.
Unquestioning obedience to fundamentalist Christian theology and its
resultant theocracy are the cornerstones of Cristo-fascism in twenty-
first century America.

3) As a result, adherents are diametrically opposed to a secular world
view and the tenets of modern science. As I have commented in other
articles[3] in recent years, fundamentalist Christianity generally
distrusts, and often despises human reason. Millions of children in
America are being home-schooled, and 75% of them are children from
fundamentalist Christian homes.[4] Home-schooling can offer an
extraordinary alternative to attending public school, but for
fundamentalist Christians, it serves, among other things, to shield
their children not only from grappling with such issues as evolution
and global warming, but learning the scientific method itself and the
basic principles of critical thinking and logical analysis.

4)Cristo-fascism is overwhelmingly a white Anglo-American movement.
While one sees growing numbers of African Americans and Hispanics
joining their ranks, the movement remains predominantly white and
rabidly Islamophobic. Most outspoken on this issue is San Antonio's
megachurch pastor, John Hagee, who perceives Islam as the new Satan
which must be destroyed by Israel and the United States.

5) While Christian fascism cannot give enough lip service to the
"culture of life" it is morbidly death-obsessed in its raging support
of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and capital punishment. The
popularity of the grisly, sado-masochistic "The Passion Of The Christ"
among fundamentalist Christians, as well as the Jesus Camp's
indoctrination of children to be willing and proud to "die for Jesus"
further belie Cristo-fascism's death fetish.

6) A new Christian Gestapo is in the works as the Christian right is
working vehemently to take control of military chaplaincies and create
in Hedges words, "America's Holy Warriors." He points out that during
the last century communist and fascist movements each built
paramilitary forces that operated beyond the reach of the law. The
frightening popularity and proliferation of the private security firm,
Blackwater, founded by a mega-millionaire right-wing Christian, Erik
Prince, has not only become a giant mercenary force in Iraq, but was
heavily used in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Increasingly,
Cristo-fascists are becoming more blatant about their wish to force
conversion to Christ through the barrel of a gun. A typical image of
this concept, dripping with testosterone, may be viewed at the website
of Force Ministries.

Just this week, conservative theologian, Doug Giles, appeared on Fox
News arguing that Christian males should be tougher because "Jesus
wasn't a bearded lady". Christians, he said, should stop raising nice
boys and raise warriors who can fight terrorism.

In answer to the question of what is to be done, I would assert as I
usually do: Knowledge is power. Fundamentalist Christianity is
inherently delusional. One cannot reason with its adherents nor
influence them with facts. What one can do is understand first of all
that the United States has become a fascist empire. If one takes
seriously Mussolini's definition of fascism, "the corporate state",
then this nation was well on its way even before the ascendancy of the
Bush II administration and September 11, 2001.

Furthermore, it is time for those who consider themselves politically
progressive to stop "tolerating" Cristo-fascists. Certainly, these
individuals have every right to believe whatever they choose to
believe, but when one comprehends the inherently fascist nature of
both their religion and their politics, one must necessarily confront
not only their ghastly disregard for separation of church and state,
but their implacable commitment to engineering a fundamentalist
Christian theocracy in the United States.

The exponential growth of the Cristo-fascist movement in the past six
years is yet another symptom of empire and a somnambulant society in
the throes of collapse. Whether or not one embraces Christianity or
any religion, for that matter, it is instructive to engage in reality-
checking the actual teachings of Jesus in the New Testament, and
specifically, the gospels and other sacred writings which were
excluded from the bible in the fourth century for political and socio-
economic reasons in order to streamline Constantine's hierarchical,
imperial, Christian regime-the world's first but not last, Christian
theocracy. With that in mind, I highly recommend The Jesus Mysteries,
by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy.

Carolyn Baker, Ph.D. is author of a forthcoming book, COMING OUT FROM
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM: Affirming Life, Love and The Sacred. Her
recent book U.S. HISTORY UNCENSORED: What Your High School Textbook
Didn't Tell You is available at her website: www.carolynbaker.org.






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From: "Venceremos" 
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Subject: Re: IF AMERICA KNEW WHAT JEWS ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY
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On Jan 31, 10:01 pm, "Michael Ejercito"  wrote:
> On Jan 31, 8:47 am, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
>
> > On 31 Jan 2007 07:34:16 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
> >  wrote:
> > >On Jan 30, 9:48 pm, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
> > >> On 30 Jan 2007 21:23:25 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> >On Jan 30, 11:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> > >> >> >    I am not Jewish, but feel free to do something about it... if you
> > >> >> > are not SCARED.
>
> > >> >> >  Michael
>
> > >> >> "SCARED" OF WHAT? YOU? YOU CAN SUCK IT ANY TIME YOU WISH
>
> > >> >   It is amazing that your Nazi pals can post maps and directions to
> > >> >someone's house, and yet never show up.
>
> > >> And when Micky "Mouth" Ben-Tovim showed up at Venceremos' place of
> > >> work, all he did (according to the newspaper report) was peer at it
> > >> through his car window.  Such a jew b'ravado already!
>
> > >   He is not a lawbreaker; at least he showed up.
>
> > Showed up and did jack shit.  Typical chickenshit jew "marine".
>
>    So he is chickenshit because he did not commit murder, battery,
> arson, or vandalism?
>
>  Michael

He is a chickenshit because he denies the right of others to speak on
the subject of ZioNazism



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On Jan 31, 11:49 pm, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2007 19:01:48 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >On Jan 31, 8:47 am, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
> >> On 31 Jan 2007 07:34:16 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
> >>  wrote:
> >> >On Jan 30, 9:48 pm, reegg...@ingglikonn.com.za (The Re'vvrdd) wrote:
> >> >> On 30 Jan 2007 21:23:25 -0800, "Michael Ejercito"
>
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >On Jan 30, 11:49 am, "Venceremos"  wrote:
> >> >> >> >    I am not Jewish, but feel free to do something about it... if you
> >> >> >> > are not SCARED.
>
> >> >> >> >  Michael
>
> >> >> >> "SCARED" OF WHAT? YOU? YOU CAN SUCK IT ANY TIME YOU WISH
>
> >> >> >   It is amazing that your Nazi pals can post maps and directions to
> >> >> >someone's house, and yet never show up.
>
> >> >> And when Micky "Mouth" Ben-Tovim showed up at Venceremos' place of
> >> >> work, all he did (according to the newspaper report) was peer at it
> >> >> through his car window.  Such a jew b'ravado already!
>
> >> >   He is not a lawbreaker; at least he showed up.
>
> >> Showed up and did jack shit.  Typical chickenshit jew "marine".
> >   So he is chickenshit because he did not commit murder, battery,
> >arson, or vandalism?
>
> He didn't even *confront* him.  That's why he's chickenshit.  Kind of
> a wasted journey, eh?
Least he could have done is walk up and down the street with a kike
flag draped around himself. Few years ago I had my garage door spray
painted with a swastika, this time he did not even do that

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