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JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
Ian McKinney

 One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian
Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish inspired
and lead revolutionary movement.

 First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx
was descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p.
289). Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance,
since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A
great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists
or agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.

 While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism will
concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any
otherwise significant Jewish involvement, but let's see the them deny
the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which
clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following
quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."


A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
Government."

With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
(Lenin was married to a suspected Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since
been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB
archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein)
headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign
affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive
Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
prominent Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl
Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach),
Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moses Uritsky, just to
name a few.

In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the
Mensheviks, were likewise Jewish-dominated. It was lead by Theodore
Dan, Julius Martov (Tsederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the
Jewish Bund)- all Jews.

Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none
other than Trotzky himself, who included a reproduction of a widely
circulated Russian postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian
Revolution" in his book on Stalin. The postcard pictures the following
persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and married to a Jewess(?)), Trotzky
(Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew), Sverdlov (Jew), and Lunacharsky
(gentile).

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."

In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:

"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that
one of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
Gordon.

I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
the agitators were Jews.

I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
did not take kindly to it."

Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
"anti-Semitic" and carefully selected and therefore unreliable, but
they'd be wrong. Here's a few Jewish sources that exactly substantiate
the previous ones:

"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
April, 4, 1919)

"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
You might be interested to know that not only is Mr. Kahan a Jew, but
his grandfather was none other than Lazar Kaganovich, the Jewish
architect of Joseph Stalin’s mass murder of seven million Ukrainians
through forced starvation.

"In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article
on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).

While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left
virtually untouched.

It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death seven
million Ukranian gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most
vile campaigns in history orchestrated by Stalin's brother-in-law and
the most powerful Jew in the USSR, Lazar Kaganovich. Of course,
Kaganovich certainly wasn't the only Jew involved: "[I]n (the) Ukraine
Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,"
reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. . .
"

Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
Communist bosses.

Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the
Jewish-Communist connection is discussed? After all, how does their
role in Communism play when juxtiposed with the Jew's fraudulent
propaganda image themselves as perpetually inoffensive, honest, and
unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would the Jew's
"holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known?
Consider the facts and answer these questions honestly for your self.


(This information is provided as a public service by the WESTERN
IMPERATIVE NETWORK http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/


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grandwazoo wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
> > Ian McKinney
> >
> >  One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian
> > Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
> > of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
> > them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
> > facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish inspired
> > and lead revolutionary movement.
> >
> >  First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
> > Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx
> > was descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p.
> > 289). Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance,
> > since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A
> > great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists
> > or agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
> >
> >  While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism will
> > concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any
> > otherwise significant Jewish involvement, but let's see the them deny
> > the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
> > that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
> > D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which
> > clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism. The following
> > quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
> > Archives:
> >
> > State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
> > general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
> > anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
> >
> > State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
> > 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
> > each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
> >
> > From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
> > March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
> > Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
> > United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
> > beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."
> >
> > A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
> > reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
> > were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
> > Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
> > to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
> > Government."
> >
> > With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
> > leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
> > (Lenin was married to a suspected Jewess, Krupsakaya, and has since
> > been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had access to the KGB
> > archives, to have been least 25% Jewish!) Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein)
> > headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief of Soviet foreign
> > affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the Bolshevik party's
> > executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive
> > Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
> > (Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
> > central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
> > prominent Jews included street agitator and later press commissar Karl
> > Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach),
> > Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Yakov Sverdlov, and Moses Uritsky, just to
> > name a few.
> >
> > In addition to the Bolsheviks, the other communist faction, the
> > Mensheviks, were likewise Jewish-dominated. It was lead by Theodore
> > Dan, Julius Martov (Tsederbaum), and M.I. Lieber (formerly of the
> > Jewish Bund)- all Jews.
> >
> > Additional confirmation of the Jewishness of Bolshevism comes from none
> > other than Trotzky himself, who included a reproduction of a widely
> > circulated Russian postcard entitled "Leaders of the Proletarian
> > Revolution" in his book on Stalin. The postcard pictures the following
> > persons: Lenin (one-quarter Jewish and married to a Jewess(?)), Trotzky
> > (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Kamenev (Jew), Sverdlov (Jew), and Lunacharsky
> > (gentile).
> >
> > David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
> > January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
> > of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
> > little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
> > they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."
> >
> > The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
> > "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
> > spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
> > organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
> > object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
> >
> > In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
> > here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
> > superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
> > Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
> > Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress:
> >
> > "We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
> > Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
> > of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
> > Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
> > there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
> > showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
> > men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
> > this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
> > more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
> > Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that
> > one of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
> > startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
> > startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
> > community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
> > regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
> > out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
> > exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
> > Gordon.
> >
> > I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
> > revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
> > the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
> > often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
> > all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
> > because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
> > Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
> > the agitators were Jews.
> >
> > I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
> > Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
> > posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
> > was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
> > did not take kindly to it."
> >
> > Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
> > "anti-Semitic" and carefully selected and therefore unreliable, but
> > they'd be wrong. Here's a few Jewish sources that exactly substantiate
> > the previous ones:
> >
> > "The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
> > Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
> > new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
> > Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
> > and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
> > physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
> > Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
> >
> > "There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
> > many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
> > many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
> > April, 4, 1919)
> >
> > "Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
> > S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
> >
> > "In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
> > communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
> > the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
> > You might be interested to know that not only is Mr. Kahan a Jew, but
> > his grandfather was none other than Lazar Kaganovich, the Jewish
> > architect of Joseph Stalin’s mass murder of seven million Ukrainians
> > through forced starvation.
> >
> > "In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
> > and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
> > scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party" (Article
> > on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).
> >
> > Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
> > so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
> > himself:
> >
> > "National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
> > customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
> > an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
> > cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
> > death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
> >
> > While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
> > clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synoguoges and rabbis were left
> > virtually untouched.
> >
> > It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
> > conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
> > population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death seven
> > million Ukranian gentile farmers during the 1920's in one of the most
> > vile campaigns in history orchestrated by Stalin's brother-in-law and
> > the most powerful Jew in the USSR, Lazar Kaganovich. Of course,
> > Kaganovich certainly wasn't the only Jew involved: "[I]n (the) Ukraine
> > Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents,"
> > reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. . .
> > "
> >
> > Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
> > murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
> > directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
> > Communist bosses.
> >
> > Is it any wonder that Jews react hysterically whenever the
> > Jewish-Communist connection is discussed? After all, how does their
> > role in Communism play when juxtiposed with the Jew's fraudulent
> > propaganda image themselves as perpetually inoffensive, honest, and
> > unjustly persecuted "victims" of evil gentiles? How would the Jew's
> > "holocaust" be viewed if their role in Communism became widely known?
> > Consider the facts and answer these questions honestly for your self.
> >
> > (This information is provided as a public service by the WESTERN
> > IMPERATIVE NETWORK http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> >
> > --
> > For White Unity,
> > ipm
> >
> > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> > National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
>
> *fraudulent propaganda* (see above).

Sorry, silly comments don't cancel truth.



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Jewish Media Control – What Difference Does It Make?

By Ian McKinney

 The fact that the majority of most influential entertainment and
information media are either owned or controlled by Jewish persons
really cannot be argued. To anyone who’s honestly studied the issue,
that is as obvious as the fact that the NAACP is a Black organization
despite the fact that not all of its members are Black. So I’m not
going to try to convince those who haven’t as yet understood that fact.
Those folks should go immediately to
http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/ and educate themselves. My
interest right now is with those who are savvy enough to be aware of
the situation, but say: "Ok, I admit the Jews have a very
disproportionate influence in the media just as you say, but so what?
It is just a coincidence and doesn’t make any more difference than if
Baptists, Catholics, or anyone else were in their places." Ok, let’s
consider the veracity of that assumption by looking at a few examples.

If Jewish media influence is as innocuous as some say, then we might
presume that the opinions and attitudes found in the media should
roughly approximate that of the country as a whole. Does anyone really
think that’s the case?

First, let’s look at the issue of interracial marriage. Now I’m not
concerned at this time with the precise proportion of White people who
are indifferent to, or who strongly oppose, interracial marriage, but
let’s admit that it’s at least a very significant number, probably a
majority. The plain fact that at least 95% of White people marry other
White people tells us that most Whites don’t favor interracial marriage
enough to actually engage in it themselves. So obviously opposition to
interracial marriage is not some rare opinion among White people in
America. But if we accept the media’s version of what White people are
supposed to think, then opposition to interracial marriage is an
extreme (and despicable) opinion held only by members of the KKK and
not considered even remotely mainstream. In the world of TV and movies
opposition to interracial marriage is EVIL and IMPLIES hatred of other
races, there's simply no other acceptable interpretation.

For another example, take the immigration problem. Now here’s where the
media allows a little more diversity of opinion, but only a little.
Generally, the media give only favorable images of non-white immigrants
– legal and illegal. You know the story: the poor, but honest,
hard-working Mexican or Chinese immigrant nobly struggling to survive
in a hostile country. Never do they show lazy, welfare-leeching,
criminal immigrants despite the fact that a disproportionate number of
non-white immigrants are unemployed, on the welfare roles, and in
prison. [We wouldn’t want people to have any more reason to oppose the
immigration flood? Somebody might actually make enough fuss that the
politicians would be forced to reduce or cut-off immigration and stop
abuses by immigrants.] Anyway, the media bosses will allow certain
anti-immigrant spokesmen to be heard, but only if they oppose
immigration because of concerns over economics, over-population, or
environment. And while these objections are argued endlessly without
resolution, the immigration flood continues unabated, and again, the
politicians are never forced to take any substantive action. Never is a
person allowed to state the case for opposing immigration because of
the effect it has on racial demographics. In other words, as far as the
media is concerned, to be worried because America might be converted
>from a majority White country to one with a non-white majority mainly
through non-white immigration is simply paranoia and basest racism.
That’s even in light of the tremendous amount of crime, poverty, and
illegitimacy found in heavily non-white areas of the country, which
should be obvious to even the most unconcerned American!

Now, I would bet that most White Americans would oppose the idea of
converting their country from mostly White to non-white if the question
were ever put to them in those terms. But that is another one of those
opinions that are forbidden by the Jewish-controlled media.

So whose opinions are we getting? Obviously not those of the American
people, so whose are they? I think that question can best be answered
by the words of Earl Raab as found in the July 23, 1993 Jewish
Bulletin: "It was only after World War II that immigration law was
drastically changed....In one of the first pieces of evidence of its
political coming-of-age, the Jewish community has a leadership role in
effecting those changes." The fact is that Jewish organizations have
lobbied for decades to increase non-white immigration and the Jewish
dominated media invariably toe that line. Is it starting to get a
little clearer?

Finally, look at the reporting of interracial crime. The New Century
Foundation study cites the National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS)
for 1994 -- the most recent such study issued by the Justice
Department. That study reported that blacks committed 1,140,670 violent
crimes against whites, while whites committed only 135,360 violent
crimes against blacks. If you hadn’t just read that, I’ll bet you’d
assume the situation was the exact opposite based on the impression the
media gives us.

Even if we restrict the discussion to what liberals call "hate crimes",
we find Whites are a significant number of victims of even those
crimes. As a matter of fact, according to the FBI, per capita Blacks
commit 2.5 times more Hate Crimes than Whites, but when’s the last time
you heard the media report a hate crime against a White person? On the
other hand, we’re still hearing about the Jasper, Texas dragging case
months after it occurred!

No, we don’t hear about hate crimes against White people because the
people who run the media have decided that those crimes don’t fit the
image they want to present. That image, of course, is almost without
exception White perpetrators and non-white victims. Except in a few
isolated cases, Black-on-White crimes get local news coverage and
that’s about it. Do you really think that’s a coincidence?

Look, everyone knows that if 90% of interracial crime were really
White-on-Black, we’d never hear the end of it. We’d have endless
editorials in the newspapers. Black leaders would be on the news every
day demanding the politicians and law enforcement officials do whatever
is necessary to stop the attacks on Blacks. The White liberal TV
talking heads would all be wringing their hands and wondering what
we’re going to do about "White racism." Janet Reno would be proposing
new laws and announcing increased penalties. Bill Clinton would
doubtless be on national TV condemning the attacks in the strongest
terms and would likely even create a whole new cabinet department to
specifically fight interracial crime. You know that’s what would happen
if Whites were committing a million crimes against Blacks. But, since
the victims are White, nobody really cares. If some totally innocent,
mentally retarded White man gets beaten to death by a gang of Blacks
just because he’s White, as they later admitted to police, as happened
just last month to Gregory Griffith, then the media treats it like as
just another crime and no big deal. Or how about a gang of Asian thugs
who forcibly kidnap a White women off the street and brutally gang rape
and sodomize her as happened to one unfortunate University of Colorado
student in August, and then admit to the police that they were “Seeking
a White woman" to rape.

Look, unless you live in the local areas where these crimes occurred,
you haven't heard anything about them. (If you think I'm exaggerating
anything about these crimes, click the hyperlinks to read the original
news releases yourself.) Where was that great hypocrite Bill Clinton on
these racially-motivated crimes? Can you name one of our spineless
White politicians who stood up and denounced these attacks as they do
when a non-white victim is involved? Where's all the nationwide media
hysteria? "Hey, we wouldn’t want to give White people any more reasons
to avoid mixing with Blacks and the other minorities, right? And so
what if 10,000 White women are raped by Blacks every year, that’s just
the price we have to pay for integration and the less everyone knows
about it the better. Let’s get another ball game or sitcom on the air
and quit worrying about it!" That’s what these opinion molders
obviously think. Most important, that’s what they want YOU to think.

You've just read several undeniable examples of how the media
deliberately distort reality to fit their own political agenda. And
remember that this is not done merely by coincidence because the
distortion is virtually always towards the same direction. In case
you’re still unconvinced, here’s a little test you can do yourself :
the next time the media reports on a incident involving a White
perpetrator and a non-white victim, imagine the races reversed and
whether the media would report the story the same way and with
identical intensity. Or better yet, if a crime occurs in your local
area where a non-white is the perpetrator and a White the victim, ask
yourself the same question. I think you already know what the answer
will be in each case. Think about these things, and then ask yourself
again whether having Jews in control of our media makes a difference.
It’s the difference between truth and lies, news and politically
correct propaganda, what’s good for White Americans and the destructive
anti-White political agenda of the Jewish-controlled media.


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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:01 EDT 1999
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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <380B3176.2F00B5C7@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > grandwazoo wrote:
> > > ipm wrote:
>
> Falsified, forged, non-existent, out-of-date and just plain
> pig-headedly obtuse ignorance of history deleted
>
> > Sorry, silly comments don't cancel truth.
>
> You are right. Silly comments don't cancel truth.
>
> Truth: Stalin had Trotsky assasinated.

Big deal.


> Does that show the class that Trotsky was the evil person, or does that
> make the totally anti-Semitic Stalin the bad guy?
>
> Truth: Stalin did his best to kill, imprison, or exile to Siberia as
> many Jews as he could.

Stalin was married to a Jewess. His daughter married a Jew.



> Is this something he would do to good socialists? Maybe, since Stalin
> was a socialist in the same way Hitler was. He used the Socialist name
> for his own brand of fascisim.

Stalin was a ruthless leader. He killed anyone who threatened his power.



> Truth: Because a few, a tiny, microscopic number of early socialists
> were Jews doesn't make all Jews, everywhere and for all time complicit
> in the crimes commited by the now defunct U.S.S.R., it's leaders,
> beaureaus and policies.

That's complete nonsense. I already posted evidence that makes an absurdity of
your assertion that only a "microscopic" number of Jews were socialists
(communists).



>
> Truth: You are just one more anti-Semitic pile of dog poop.

You're a liar.



> Truth: You share an awful lot of resources with one Scott Bradbury,
> another pile of of dog poop seen infesting this newsgroup. Considering
> that the dates on his sources date to decades before his birth and
> yours, too, I'll be neither of you has laid eyes on the actual source
> material. You are just reposting the same tired quotes you got from
> other Identity/racist/neo-Nazi websites, pamphlets and hand-outs.

If you can't disprove my documantation, shut-up.


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"Yale F.Edeiken" wrote:

> ipm  wrote in article <380B3176.2F00B5C7@usaor.net>...
> > grandwazoo wrote:
>
> > > *fraudulent propaganda* (see above).
>
> > Sorry, silly comments don't cancel truth.
>
>         And since the nonsense you cite, which contains at least one outright
> forgery, does not constitute "truth."  Silly comments are, therefore, in
> order.

Even if half of what I posted is fake, which it isn't, there's still enough
documentation to blast you out of the water.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:02 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
> > Ian McKinney
> >
> >  One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian
> > Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
> > of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
> > them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
> > facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish inspired
> > and lead revolutionary movement.
> >
> >  First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
> > Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx
> > was descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p.
> > 289). Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance,
> > since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A
> > great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists
> > or agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
> You are a filthy liar and hatemonger.  Karl Marx was raised
> a Christian. His grandparents may have been Jewish, but he
> was BAPTIZED when he was 6 years of age. Throughout his life
> he was a virulent anti-Semite. His rants against Jews are
> frequently quoted by Nazis and other anti-Semites.
>
> The rest of you hatemongering screed is just as full of
> misleading statements and outright lies.

I love it when Jews get caught. The words from your own Jewish mouths make my
case.There's no way to squirm your way out of this one. LOL!

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Gord McFee wrote:

> In <380B6C9F.8E5C7B12@stopNazi.spam.mindspring.com>, on Mon, 18 Oct 1999
> 13:53:19 -0500, "Andrew A. Skolnick"
>  wrote:
>
> > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
> > > Ian McKinney
> > >
> > >  One of the most suppressed facts concerning the so-called "Russian
> > > Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
> > > of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
> > > them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
> > > facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish inspired
> > > and lead revolutionary movement.
> > >
> > >  First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
> > > Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx
> > > was descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew. Encyc., Vol.VII, p.
> > > 289). Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance,
> > > since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A
> > > great bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists
> > > or agnostics, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
> >
> >
> > You are a filthy liar and hatemonger.  Karl Marx was raised
> > a Christian. His grandparents may have been Jewish, but he
> > was BAPTIZED when he was 6 years of age. Throughout his life
> > he was a virulent anti-Semite. His rants against Jews are
> > frequently quoted by Nazis and other anti-Semites.
> >
> > The rest of you hatemongering screed is just as full of
> > misleading statements and outright lies.
>
> Par for the course for "Ian".

You know I'm right. LOL!

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Alan Morgan wrote:

> In article <380AEAC8.73765BB4@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> > First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
> >Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx
> >was descended from rabbinical families"
>
> What percentage of Europeans are Jewish by this definition?  I'm betting
> that it is pretty huge.

I don't have any Jew blood in me. How many people do you honestly know who
have Jewish grandparents on both sides? Rabbis to boot?

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Gord McFee wrote:

> In <380AEAC8.73765BB4@usaor.net>, on Mon, 18 Oct 1999 05:39:20 -0400,
> ipm  wrote:
>
> > JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
> > Ian McKinney
>
> Garbage.
>
> "Ary*n-heads of all countries - unite!  You have nothing to lose but
> your brains."

The words of a defeated man!

Face it, we have you nine ways to Sunday on this Communism isssue.
Haven't you learned that already? LOL!

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <2tMLOFEv=A6ER459yTrJg2BqYLxv@4ax.com>, Gord McFee
>  wrote:
>
> >In <380AEAC8.73765BB4@usaor.net>, on Mon, 18 Oct 1999 05:39:20 -0400,
> >ipm  wrote:
> >
> >> JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
> >> Ian McKinney
> >
> >Garbage.
> >
> >"Ary*n-heads of all countries - unite!  You have nothing to lose but
> >your brains."
> >
>
> But if they unite... they never had any brains to begin with.

Yea, yea, Sara, you have nothing to refute my documentation either.
ROTFLOL!

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Chuck Stewart wrote:

> (The red-furred blue-eyed kitty is as Aryan as they get... Which is to
> say "Not very..." :)
>
> ipm wrote:
>
> > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>
> It's amazing... I'm familiar with this line of crap, but...
>
> I am always taken aback by the sheer malice present when I visit
> these types of sites.
>
> This one was both physically nauseating and grimly funny.
>
> Especially  a long and turgid poem about a white woman marrying a
> black man...
>
> As you read this dork projecting his hate onto a mother and child,
> you realize that he doesn't have clue as to what it is to be
> civilized, intelligent... or even a human being.

And down goes the last one. Not one can refute my documentation. Its
pretty overwhelming, isn't it. And just think, we have much more that
wouldn't fit in!

LOL!

I've never seen the Nizkooks so at a loss for words!

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <380B3E4B.341AE829@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >Jewish Media Control – What Difference Does It Make?
> >
> >By Ian McKinney
>
> William Scott, actually - another man who believes in the National
> Alliance credo, which holds that white folks are too stupid to (1)
> think for themselves, (2) to inept to acquire capital, and (3) too
> bloody stoopid to invest that capital in publicly traded corporations
> even if they did accidently manage to collect some.

Another admission of utter defeat.

BTW, Kenny, when are you going to post your address and phone number? How
about your rabbi friend who collects your money, where's he located?
How about the real names and addresses of all your Nozkook buddies?

Inquiring minds want to know!

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:05 EDT 1999
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Chuck Stewart wrote:

> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> 
>
> > What is really hilarious about this "you white folks are really
> > stupid" philosophy is that those who promulgate it insist that they
> > are, er, "white advocates!'
> >
> > In the words of that great American philosopher Bunny, whadda maroon.
>
> The few. The loud. The maroons.

Can refute the evidence, huh?

LOL!

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:05 EDT 1999
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Jim Phillips wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > Jewish Media Control – What Difference Does It Make?
> >
> > By Ian McKinney
> >
> >  The fact that the majority of most influential entertainment and
> > information media are either owned or controlled by Jewish persons
> > really cannot be argued.
>
>         You're right, but not in the way you think--it's a laughably
> absurd concept.  Thanks for a good chuckle, anti-semite...
>
> 
>
> > For White Unity,
> > ipm
>
>         Actually, you make the rest of us white folks look bad...
>

Please, you're not "White". You're what we call a "blanko."

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:06 EDT 1999
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Buck Turgidson wrote:

> So, in summary: "We, the superior White Race, have been tricked again by Da
> Jooos!"
>
> Guess that means you're not so superior, doesn't it? If you don't like the
> media, get together some money and start your own. Follow the examples set by
> Gentiles like Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, William Randolph Hearst, (William?)
> Gannett, and many others--go into the business, makes lots of money, and use it
> to influence the world. Unless, of course, you don't have the chutzpah.

The game isn't over yet. Historically, Jewish power is cyclic. They've passed the
peak and its downhill from here.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:06 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <380B82D7.B8999CB6@mindspring.com>,
> Buck Turgidson   wrote:
> >So, in summary: "We, the superior White Race, have been tricked again by Da
> >Jooos!"
> >
> >Guess that means you're not so superior, doesn't it? If you don't like the
> >media, get together some money and start your own. Follow the examples set by
> >Gentiles like Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, William Randolph Hearst, (William?)
> >Gannett, and many others--go into the business, makes lots of money, and use it
> >to influence the world. Unless, of course, you don't have the chutzpah.
>

[Standard Nizkook bullshit snipped]

Kenny boy, I'm still waiting for your physical address and phone number. A
courageous and public-spirited guy like you who's head of a non-profit outfit like
Nizkor should be proud to let us all know where you live. That way the next time
Ernst Zundel comes out your way he can find you and have that discussion on the
holocaust that he couldn't have the last time he was there because you were
evidently dug-in somewhere. Also we want your rabbi handler's address and phone
number and personal info on all your Nizkooks.

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Gord McFee wrote:

> In <380B3E4B.341AE829@usaor.net>, on Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:35:39 -0400,
> ipm  wrote:
>
> > Jewish Media Control ? What Difference Does It Make?
>
> There is none, "Ian".

Nice try, Gord, but no cigar.

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Mr. Zundel knows where he can find me, Mr. Scott. That he hasn't the
> balls to join us is his problem, not mine.

That's not what he says. BTW, I assume you're going to post that info I
requested?

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <7ui2s7$pv1$2@missing.its.to>,
> TIMOTHY GUEGUEN  wrote:
>
> >If your name isn't Ian, then tell us what it is.
>
> His name is William Scott, and his friends call him "Red." This has
> been confirmed by Irene Zundel, and has been clear for as long as Mr.
> Scott has been using the net.

>From what I know about Irene Zundel, she's a nut.

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <380C7F10.4D4E82AB@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >BTW, Kenny, when are you going to post your address and phone number? How
>
> See http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html for the address. I
> don't really want to hear from the likes of you, Mr. Scott, so I'll
> keep my number to myself.

Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.

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"Yale F.Edeiken" wrote:

> ipm  wrote in article <380C7F10.4D4E82AB@usaor.net>...
> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> > > In article <380B3E4B.341AE829@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> > > >Jewish Media Control – What Difference Does It Make?
>
> > > >By Ian McKinney
> > >
> > > William Scott, actually - another man who believes in the National
> > > Alliance credo, which holds that white folks are too stupid to (1)
> > > think for themselves, (2) to inept to acquire capital, and (3) too
> > > bloody stoopid to invest that capital in publicly traded corporations
> > > even if they did accidently manage to collect some.
> >
> > Another admission of utter defeat.
>
>         Nope.  An observation about your dishonest activities.
>
> > BTW, Kenny, when are you going to post your address and phone number? How
> > about your rabbi friend who collects your money, where's he located?
> > How about the real names and addresses of all your Nozkook buddies?
>
>         When are you?
>
> > Inquiring minds want to know!
>
>         No they don't.
>
>         They know that the National Alliance which you represent is a terrorist
> organization.

You know, you could probably be sued for making a false statement like that.

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> > > In article <380B82D7.B8999CB6@mindspring.com>,
> > > Buck Turgidson   wrote:
> > > >So, in summary: "We, the superior White Race, have been tricked again by Da
> > > >Jooos!"
> > > >
> > > >Guess that means you're not so superior, doesn't it? If you don't like the
> > > >media, get together some money and start your own. Follow the examples set by
> > > >Gentiles like Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, William Randolph Hearst, (William?)
> > > >Gannett, and many others--go into the business, makes lots of money, and use it
> > > >to influence the world. Unless, of course, you don't have the chutzpah.
> > >
> >
> > [Standard Nizkook bullshit snipped]
> >
> > Kenny boy, I'm still waiting for your physical address and phone number. A
> > courageous and public-spirited guy like you who's head of a non-profit outfit like
> > Nizkor should be proud to let us all know where you live. That way the next time
> > Ernst Zundel comes out your way he can find you and have that discussion on the
> > holocaust that he couldn't have the last time he was there because you were
> > evidently dug-in somewhere. Also we want your rabbi handler's address and phone
> > number and personal info on all your Nizkooks.
>
> And I want your address and phone number, Mr. Nazi. I want
> to know where to send a Hanukkah card. I also have friends
> who no doubt would want to wish you a happy Kwanza. So
> either post it here or send it to me privately. I promise I
> won't give it to anyone who doesn't want to send you a
> Hanukkah or Kwanza card.
>
> BTW, my address and phone number are in the phone book.

Get lost. I don't give a shit about you. I want McVay's address and phone number.

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"Yale F.Edeiken" wrote:

> ipm  wrote in article <380C7BCB.6AB1E754@usaor.net>...
> > "Yale F.Edeiken" wrote:
>
> > > ipm  wrote in article <380B3176.2F00B5C7@usaor.net>...
> > > > grandwazoo wrote:
> > >
> > > > > *fraudulent propaganda* (see above).
> > >
> > > > Sorry, silly comments don't cancel truth.
> > >
> > >         And since the nonsense you cite, which contains at least one
> outright
> > > forgery, does not constitute "truth."  Silly comments are, therefore,
> in
> > > order.
>
> > Even if half of what I posted is fake, which it isn't, there's still
> enough
> > documentation to blast you out of the water.
>
>         But you haven't.  You presented "quotations" of doubtful meaning taken out
> of context and completely ignoring the historical reality.
>
>         Using your methods I could easily "prove" that Brown v. Board of Education
> legalized segregation in the US.
>
>         You are playing an old game, Jew-hater, and it's obvious to all.

Explain how each quote is taken out of context.

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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > > You are a filthy liar and hatemonger.  Karl Marx was raised
> > > a Christian. His grandparents may have been Jewish, but he
> > > was BAPTIZED when he was 6 years of age. Throughout his life
> > > he was a virulent anti-Semite. His rants against Jews are
> > > frequently quoted by Nazis and other anti-Semites.
> >
> > I love it when Jews get caught. The words from your own Jewish mouths make my
> > case.There's no way to squirm your way out of this one. LOL!
>
> Which part of "Carl Marx was an antisemitic Christian" didn't you
> understand?

Is that the best you can do? LOL! Karl Marx was a racial Jew.

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TIMOTHY GUEGUEN wrote:

> ipm (ipm@usaor.net) wrote:
> : Alan Morgan wrote:
>
> : > In article <380AEAC8.73765BB4@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> : >
> : > > First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
> : > >Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx
> : > >was descended from rabbinical families"
> : >
> : > What percentage of Europeans are Jewish by this definition?  I'm betting
> : > that it is pretty huge.
>
> : I don't have any Jew blood in me.
> How do you know?  How do you know great great grandpa wasn't a Jew who
> converted to Christianity and did a good job of hiding the fact?

I know.

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Alan Morgan wrote:

> In article <380C7CD2.9877E933@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >Alan Morgan wrote:
> >
> >> In article <380AEAC8.73765BB4@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >>
> >> > First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
> >> >Marx, was a Jew because "on both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx
> >> >was descended from rabbinical families"
> >>
> >> What percentage of Europeans are Jewish by this definition?  I'm betting
> >> that it is pretty huge.
> >
> >I don't have any Jew blood in me. How many people do you honestly know who
> >have Jewish grandparents on both sides? Rabbis to boot?
>
> Not many, but that's not the point.  I have no idea whether or not one of my
> great, great, great, great grandparents was Jewish.  It is quite possible that
> one of them was.  Find one on both my mother's side and my father's side and
> *bing* I'm descended from Jews.  Just as long as none of them were French (I'm
> allowed to hate the French).  That may or may not be "descended from rabbinical
> families".  Just as long as I get my share in the Jewish conspiracy, I'm cool
> with it.
>
> Anyway, how do you know that you have no "Jewish blood" in you?  Have you traced
> your lineage back to single celled organisms and given it a clean bill of health?
> Pretty good going.
>
> Oh, BTW.  Drop the whole "Jew blood" thing.  It sounds too much like the "one
> drop of Negro blood" classification of (thankfully) bygone days.  It makes you
> sound like a Nazi bigot.

Karl Marx was a Jew. Why don't you quit obsfucating already? Your feeble comments
don't work.

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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Chuck Stewart wrote:
> >
> > > (The red-furred blue-eyed kitty is as Aryan as they get... Which is to
> > > say "Not very..." :)
> > >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> > >
> > > It's amazing... I'm familiar with this line of crap, but...
> > >
> > > I am always taken aback by the sheer malice present when I visit
> > > these types of sites.
> > >
> > > This one was both physically nauseating and grimly funny.
> > >
> > > Especially  a long and turgid poem about a white woman marrying a
> > > black man...
> > >
> > > As you read this dork projecting his hate onto a mother and child,
> > > you realize that he doesn't have clue as to what it is to be
> > > civilized, intelligent... or even a human being.
> >
> > And down goes the last one. Not one can refute my documentation. Its
> > pretty overwhelming, isn't it. And just think, we have much more that
> > wouldn't fit in!
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > I've never seen the Nizkooks so at a loss for words!
>
> Right.  So why don't you give us the count of how many members of this
> newsgroup have voiced their agreement with your "documentation"?  Is it
> true that ipm stands for "I prefer masturbation"?  Loser.

LOL! I wouldn't expect any Nizkook to agree with me. You whole purpose on
these newsgroups is to lie and obsfucate anytime someone posts the truth about
Jewish political chicanery and subversion. And that's exactly what the hell
you're all doing right now. You fool no one. Anybody with half a brain can see
that you can't refute my essay, so you resort to insults and asinine comments.
You tactics are so old there's moss growing on them.

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> I think it stands for "I prefer men." Of course, they have
> to be white.

You're just pissed that when you were circumcised the rabbi was drubk and
cut-off too much.

LOL!
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> > In article <380C7F2F.1AD154DA@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> >
> > >Chuck Stewart wrote:
> > >
> > >> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> > What is really hilarious about this "you white folks are really
> > >> > stupid" philosophy is that those who promulgate it insist that they
> > >> > are, er, "white advocates!'
> > >> >
> > >> > In the words of that great American philosopher Bunny, whadda maroon.
> > >>
> > >> The few. The loud. The maroons.
> > >
> > >Can refute the evidence, huh?
> > >
> > >LOL!
> >
> > LOL. That's right. CAN refute the evidence.
> >
> > Were you BORN this stupid or did you have to learn it in White Power
> > Ranger school?
> >
> > Sara
>
> All that white supremacist inbreeding takes a toll on their
> intelligence. They prefer to select mates for breeding who
> have narrow, pointed heads to fit into Clan robes. Doesn't
> leave much room for brains.

TRANSLATION: I can't refute the facts so I'll throw insults in a desparate
attempt at obsfucation.

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article ,
> Avital Pilpel   wrote:
> >On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> >
> >> Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.
> >
> >Ah, don't you love it when cowards who don't even use their real NAME in
> >flame wars think they can demand that other people post their real
> >adress?
> >
> >Ever heard the story about the pot and the kettle, "ipm"?
>
> It's a normal tactic these maroons employ when they get caught with
> their lies showing... in this case, not only has "Ian McKinney/Roger
> Hughes" lied about his identity, he has also, in this newsgroup, lied
> about whether or not he ever denied being William Scott.

No, Kenny boy, the matter at hand is your location and phone number. You're even too
dense to realize that you've been totally exposed as a gutless coward and a
hypocrite. Come on, boy, lets have that address. And don't keep hiding behind your
B'nai B'rith maildrop.


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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.
>
> Ah, don't you love it when cowards who don't even use their real NAME in
> flame wars think they can demand that other people post their real
> adress?
>
> Ever heard the story about the pot and the kettle, "ipm"?

The difference is that I don't archive people's postings. I don't post
people's personal information. I don't lurk around searching for information
about people. Only McVay does that. He's a total coward and hypocrite and
anyone following this thread knows that now.

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380CE438.7DC06E1D@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> >> In article <380C7F10.4D4E82AB@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >> >BTW, Kenny, when are you going to post your address and phone number? How
> >>
> >> See http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html for the address. I
> >> don't really want to hear from the likes of you, Mr. Scott, so I'll
> >> keep my number to myself.
> >
> >Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.
> >
> Yours first. Hey, you could start with:
> YOUR REAL NAME.
>
> Until then, you're just another Anonymous Coward.

Like I said, McVay has posted all my supposed personal info several times
already. Now its time for him to post his. He won't, because he's a punk.

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <380CE2AE.32624A56@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> >> Mr. Zundel knows where he can find me, Mr. Scott. That he hasn't the
> >> balls to join us is his problem, not mine.
> >
> >That's not what he says. BTW, I assume you're going to post that info I
> >requested?
>
> Mr. Zundel's secretary, Miss Lemire, contacted me by email requesting
> a meeting. I responded, as I always do, that Mr. Zundel was welcome to
> meet me on the net.

IOW, you wimped out. Why can't he meet you at your house or a restaurant?

But forget all that right now, coward. Post your actual location.

I think that "OBC" means "One Big Chicken."

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380CE521.381D0F61@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> >
> >> ipm wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > In article <380B82D7.B8999CB6@mindspring.com>,
> >> > > Buck Turgidson   wrote:
> >> > > >So, in summary: "We, the superior White Race, have been tricked
> again by Da
> >> > > >Jooos!"
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Guess that means you're not so superior, doesn't it? If you don't
> like the
> >> > > >media, get together some money and start your own. Follow the
> examples set by
> >> > > >Gentiles like Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, William Randolph Hearst,
> (William?)
> >> > > >Gannett, and many others--go into the business, makes lots of
> money, and use it
> >> > > >to influence the world. Unless, of course, you don't have the chutzpah.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > [Standard Nizkook bullshit snipped]
> >> >
> >> > Kenny boy, I'm still waiting for your physical address and phone number. A
> >> > courageous and public-spirited guy like you who's head of a
> non-profit outfit like
> >> > Nizkor should be proud to let us all know where you live. That way
> the next time
> >> > Ernst Zundel comes out your way he can find you and have that
> discussion on the
> >> > holocaust that he couldn't have the last time he was there because you were
> >> > evidently dug-in somewhere. Also we want your rabbi handler's address
> and phone
> >> > number and personal info on all your Nizkooks.
> >>
> >> And I want your address and phone number, Mr. Nazi. I want
> >> to know where to send a Hanukkah card. I also have friends
> >> who no doubt would want to wish you a happy Kwanza. So
> >> either post it here or send it to me privately. I promise I
> >> won't give it to anyone who doesn't want to send you a
> >> Hanukkah or Kwanza card.
> >>
> >> BTW, my address and phone number are in the phone book.
> >
> >Get lost. I don't give a shit about you. I want McVay's address and phone
> number.
> >
> And we want yours, coward. Whatsamatter, little boy? Do the Big bad Jooos
> scare you THAT bad?
>
> What an Anonymous Coward you are.

Like I said, your step-n-fetchit, McVay has already posted my supposed info. You
trust Kenny the Coward don't you? Now where's his info? Why does he hide behind some
B;nai B'rith address?

You have notice he's lost much of his usual arrogance, don't you? Being exposed as a
complete hypocrite and coward takes the wind right out of his sails. Now all he can
do is keep avoiding the issue. Well, I'm not going away. I want that info. I think
some other people would be interested. You know, all those people who would like to
discuss the holocaust with the esteemed McVay, but just can't seem to find him
anywhere. I think people are begining to think he doesn't exist, but is just
somebody from the ADL putting on a show.

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Jim Phillips wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> >
> > > So, in summary: "We, the superior White Race, have been tricked again by Da
> > > Jooos!"
> > >
> > > Guess that means you're not so superior, doesn't it? If you don't like the
> > > media, get together some money and start your own. Follow the examples set by
> > > Gentiles like Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, William Randolph Hearst, (William?)
> > > Gannett, and many others--go into the business, makes lots of money, and use it
> > > to influence the world. Unless, of course, you don't have the chutzpah.
> >
> > The game isn't over yet. Historically, Jewish power is cyclic. They've passed the
> > peak and its downhill from here.
>
>         When was the last time Jewish power was high?  1500 BC?

Actually, the Jews were riding pretty high in Germany in the 1920s. They were doing
pretty well in Russia after 1917 too.

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Jim Phillips wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> >
> > > Buck Turgidson wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, in summary: "We, the superior White Race, have been tricked again by Da
> > > > Jooos!"
> > > >
> > > > Guess that means you're not so superior, doesn't it? If you don't like the
> > > > media, get together some money and start your own. Follow the examples set by
> > > > Gentiles like Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, William Randolph Hearst, (William?)
> > > > Gannett, and many others--go into the business, makes lots of money, and use it
> > > > to influence the world. Unless, of course, you don't have the chutzpah.
> > >
> > > The game isn't over yet. Historically, Jewish power is cyclic. They've passed the
> > > peak and its downhill from here.
> >
> >         When was the last time Jewish power was high?  1500 BC?
>
> Obviously we're long overdue  -- so you goyem all better
> watch out. Once we return to power, it's lox and bagels for
> EVERYONE!

All right, at least you have a sense of humor. I'll give you a little Jewish star for
that.

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <380D1D3C.B5FD437A@erols.com>,
> steve wolk   wrote:
> >ipm wrote:
>
> >> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> >> > His name is William Scott, and his friends call him "Red." This has
> >> > been confirmed by Irene Zundel, and has been clear for as long as Mr.
> >> > Scott has been using the net.
>
> >> From what I know about Irene Zundel, she's a nut.
>
> She managed to totally humiliate Zundel's lawyer when she testified
> before the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, and she managed to
> demonstrate that Ingrid "Reduced me to a typist" Rimland was a liar,
> right along with Ernie-poo...

Blah, blah, blah. Where's that address, Kenny boy?


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Media-Suppressed Anti-White Crimes

Unless you live in the local area where these crimes occurred, you
probably haven't heard of them. Just imagine the media uproar if these
were non-whites being attacked, raped, and murdered by Whites. But
because the victims are White and perpetrators non-white, the stories
rarely get more than only cursory coverage, usually on a back page and
not much else is said. No hand-wringing editorials, no teary speeches,
no demands for new laws and investigations, no condemnation from Bill
Clinton or Janet Reno, . . . nothing from the usual crowd of
hypocrites.

I would hope that any honest person, liberal, conservative, or whatever
should be outraged by the media's double-standard and hypocrisy when it
comes to reporting non-white crimes against White people.

The following is a sample of the vicious crimes committed against White
people by non-whites that get little attention.
=============================================

Elderly White Woman Dies After Being Knocked Down By Black Woman

September 16, 1999

In West Palm Beach, Fla a woman is charged with murder over greeting --
A woman who allegedly knocked an elderly neighbor to the ground and
mooned her for not responding to her "good afternoon" was charged with
murder after the victim had a heart attack and died. Joelle O'Neill,
41, got angry at Julia Osmun, 65, on Sept. 16, authorities said.
O'Neill, who is black, and Osmun, who was white, also exchanged racial
slurs, witnesses said. Minutes later, Osmun, began breathing heavily
and was taken to the hospital. She died that day.

Source: Associated Press
==============================================
Two Black Men Beat Handicapped White Man To Death in Racially-Motivated
Attack

September 5, 1999

Terrence McCray, 18, and Ledell Lawrence, 20, were being held in Duval
County jail without bond after their arrest Friday. Police said the two
men and possibly others beat, kicked and stomped Gregory Griffith, 50,
who was mentally handicapped, on Aug. 16 until he was unconscious.
Griffith died Aug. 26 at University Medical Center. McCray and Lawrence
told police they were with a group of other Black men who decided to
beat Griffith "because he was White," police said. They agreed to
attack the next White person that walked down the street, and Griffith
was the next to pass by. He was not singled out because of his
disability, police said.

Source: Associated Press
=============================================
Asian Gang Arrested in Racially-Motivated Gang-Rape of White Woman

Aug. 29, 1999

Boulder District Judge Carol Glowinsky expects to rule today whether to
bind over Kao Vang, 18, and Chu Vang, 16, for trial on multiple counts
of first-degree sexual assault and kidnapping of a female University of
Colorado student. The Vangs, who are not related, were arrested by
Boulder police Sept.. 4. Police in Green Bay, Wis., arrested three
other suspects: Steve Yang, 19, Johnny Lee, 17, and Sonny Lee, 23,
several days later. A fourth, Kather Yang, 20, killed himself in a
Green Bay motel room. Lee decided to "find a white female" for Kather
Yang, said Gosage, reading from a transcript of an interview conducted
with the Wisconsin inmate. The White female victim was forced at
gunpoint to perform sex acts on her attackers and repeatedly
gang-raped.

Source: Denver Rocky Mountain News
=============================================
Black Gang Murders White Couple

July 16, 1999

Chris Vialva, 19, and Brandon Bernard, 18, and two other Black
juveniles murdered a White Iowa couple, Todd Bagley, 26, and his wife,
Stacie, 28, on June 21, shooting them in the head and setting fire to
their car with the Bagleys locked inside the trunk.


Source: American-Statesman (Austin, Texas)

===========================================
Former Black NFL Player Charged in Ritual Murder of White Man. Admitted
to Seven Other Killings.

March 22, 1999

Former NFL player, Robert Rozier, who later admitted to killing several
people in Florida with a black supremacist cult, was charged in Newark
Tuesday with the 1984 sacrificial slaying of a homeless white man.
Rozier, 43, is the second person to be charged with the stabbing death
of Attilio Cicala, who was found stabbed 8 times in the chest and
abdomen outside the cult's temple in Newark on July 3, 1984. Rozier
admitted to other 7 killings and was sentenced to 22 years in prison,
but was released after 10 years, in 1996, after testifying as a
prosecution witness against other followers.

Rozier was a dedicated member of the Florida-based Yaweh Ben Yaweh
cult, which, during the 1980s, ritually tortured, raped, and murdered
numerous White men and women and is suspected of many more racial
killings including children.

Source: Miami Herald
===========================================
Black Truck Driver Molests, Suffocates and Leaves Eight-year-old White
Boy for Dead

February 24, 1999

Carlitos Bell, 30, who lived near San Antonio, pleaded no contest to
sexually assaulting the White youngster and attempting to kill him by
throwing him unconscious and naked from his truck along Interstate 79
near Bridgeville, Pa. in 23-degree weather.

Source: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
============================================
Ten-year-old White Girl Sexually Tortured and Murdered by Three Black
Teens

October 16, 1998

Three Blacks, 16-year-old Harold Jones, 17-year-old Dorthia Bynum, and
13- year-old boy murdered Tiffany Long in Burlington, North Carolina.
The three have been convicted with first-degree murder, kidnapping and
sexual assault. Long’s body was found covered with an afghan-type
cloth, with a coaxial cable around her neck, behind a garage at a
vacant house. She had been sexually assaulted and had suffered several
blows to the back of the head. Police believe the murder weapon was a
bedpost. The NAACP is protesting the case because the Black
perpetrators are teenagers.

Source: (Burlington NC) Times-News
=============================================
Black Man Murders Six White Women

September 3, 1998

Police in Poughkeepsie consider Kendall Francois more than a threat--
they say he may be a serial killer of as many as eight women in this
small city 70 miles north of New York City. Investigators in white
jumpsuits and surgical-style face masks pulled three bodies from the
small green house Francois, 27, shared with his parents and younger
sister on Wednesday. Authorities say there are other bodies hidden
inside, likely the remains of five other women who had disappeared over
the last two years. With the exception of one black woman, all the
missing women                   were white and small in stature. All
but Ms. Newmaster had dark hair. Francois worked from May 1994 to April
1996 as a substitute custodial worker for the Arlington school
district, east of Poughkeepsie. From April 1996 to January 1997, he was
a hall and detention monitor at Arlington Middle School, police said.

Source: Shawneee News-Star

=============================================
White Soldier Stomped into Coma by Black Mob in North Carolina

Sept. 22, 1998

Donald Lange was punched to the ground by a Black attacker and then
stomped nearly to death by other Blacks in October 1995 after leaving
an International House of Pancakes near Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
Witnesses testified that several Blacks had Lange on the ground kicking
him repeatedly. Lange remains in a coma due to severe head injuries
inflicted during the attack. The accused attackers were eventually
aquitted.

Source: Fayetteville (N.C.) Observer-Times
==============================================
Two White Women Kidnapped and Murdered by Non-White Gang

August 20, 1998

Investigators found the bodies of Susan Raye Moore and Tracy Rose
Lambert in a field in Cumberland County, North Carolina. Both had been
car-jacked and shot to death execution style as part of a member
initiation by the non-whites "Crips" gang.

Source: WRAL Channel Five
==============================================
White Woman Dragged to Death by Black Man

August 14, 1998

Patricia Stansfield, 46, formerly of Streator, Ill, was killed early
Aug. 2 by being dragged three miles from downtown Streator to nearby
Kangley. She was last seen minutes before, talking with a young man
outside a restaurant. Following a trail of blood stains and clothing,
LaSalle County Sheriffs deputies determined she had been dragged from
Vermilion River bridge on Illinois 18 to near Kangley Road.

Source: The Pantagraph
==============================================
White Man Beat To Death by Black Street Mob

August 10, 1998

Witnesses testified that 10 Blacks stomped to death Richard Skelton,
48, of Wood River, Ill. in a racially charged street-mob death. Skelton
went to a predominantly Black neighborhood to retrieve a TV that had
been stolen from him and was set upon by the Black mob.

Source: Associated Press

========================================

Elderly White Woman Murdered and Stuffed Into Box by Black Man

April 16 1998

Hennepin County Medical Examiner says homicide was the cause of an
elderly woman's death, reports The Associated Press. Neighbors are
mourning the murder of the kindly 77-year-old Ann Prazniak in her south
Minneapolis apartment. She was killed by a Black man, Brian Keith
Hooper, 27, who forcibly took control of her third-floor apart ment,
killed her, squeezed her body into a television cardboard packing box,
put it in a closet and went about his illicit drug sales while her body
decomposed.

Source: WCCO-TV of Minneapolis-St. Paul.
========================================

Black Man Shoots White Husband, Rapes Wife For Four Days

April 1998

The Black murderer, Donald Flagg, 41, admitted to police he had seen
Debra Puglisi working in her garden and decided to abduct her, slipping
into her home to wait for her. When her husband surprised him, Flagg
shot him in the head and dragged his body to a bedroom, covering the
dead man's face with a jacket, prosecutors said. Then, he helped
himself to a beer and waited for Debra Puglisi.When she came in, she
testified, Flagg hit her in the head, tied her up with rope and dragged
her to thebasement, where he raped her. He then covered her in a
blanket, backed his car up to the front door of the Newark home, and,
putting her in the back, took her to his home, holding her there for
four days and raping her repeatedly. Debra Puglisi managed to escape
Flagg's home by loosening her ropes and calling police when he went to
work.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer
=========================================

Young White Girl Raped, Multialted and Beaten to Death by Black Man

January 1998

A ten-year-old White girl, Lauren Relyea, was dragged into a vacant lot
near her home in Piscataway, New Jersey raped repeatedly, and then
beaten and stabbed to death and her body mutilated. The rapist and
killer was Yusaf Hagansa, 24-year-old Black.

Source: WCBS Newsradio 88
=========================================

Fourteen-year-old White Girl Gang-Raped and Stabbed To Death By
Non-White Gang

May 30, 1997

For Brandy Duvall, 14, death came slowly and terribly on May 30, 1997.
She spent the last hours of her life being raped, kicked, beaten, and
stabbed.

A Lincoln High School freshman, Duvall had accepted a ride from some
men who said they were inviting her to a party. But at a north Denver
home, seven gang members gang-raped and sexually tortured her. Then
four of them, including Danny Martinez, drove the handcuffed Duvall to
the mountains. As Martinez held Duvall, Francisco Martinez - no
relation to Danny - stabbed her 28 times.. The severely injured Duvall
was then pushed down an embankment along Clear Creek, where she bled to
death. Her body was found a month later.

Source: Denver Post
==========================================

Three White Teenagers Beat and Shot, White Female Raped by Blacks

July 1997

Three White teenagers in Michigan who hopped a freight train,
accidentally got off in a Black neighborhood in the city of Flint, and
were attacked by a gang of Blacks while trying to find a telephone so
they could call their parents. The Blacks beat and robbed all three
White youngsters, stripped and raped the White girl, then shot all
three of the young Whites in the head, execution style, leaving them
for dead. One of them, a 14-year-old boy, did in fact die from his
gunshot wound. The other two, a 15-year-old boy and the 14-year-old
girl who had been beaten, stripped, and raped, played dead after being
shot, and eventually they escaped.

Source: Associated Press
===========================================

White Female College Student Raped and Beaten to Death by Black Man

Setember 1997

A Black repeat offender, Arthur Bomar, was convicted based upon DNA
evidence of rape, first-degree murder, and sexual abuse of a corpse.
Bomar had driven up behind a car driven by a 22-year-old White
university student, Aimee Willard. Aimee was home on summer vacation
>from George Mason University, which is in Fairfax, Virginia. She was
visiting her parents in Philadelphia, when Bomar deliberately bumped
her car. She got out to check for damage; he grabbed her, beat her
savagely with a tire iron, tore her clothes off, raped her, and then
dumped her corpse in a vacant lot.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer and Associated Press
==========================================

White Woman Raped and Hanged by Black Man

June 5, 1997

Workers at the mall found Laurie White, 26, hanging inside a tent
filled with lawn furniture, an electrical cord around her neck. Semen
and pubic hair on the victim linked Engram, a habitual offender
convicted of a murder in 1976, to the crime. "You saw the images of the
cord around her neck, her throat slashed, her own pants stuffed on her
head," Johnson said. "But that wasn't the worst -- she lived through
most of it." Pulaski County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney John Johnson
told jurors during the trial in Little Rock. A circuit court jury
convicted Engram, 43, of McAlmont of capital murder and rape and
sentenced him to die by lethal injection. The random and gruesome crime
on June 5, 1997, shocked North Little Rock residents.

Source: Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
=================================================
Fourteen and Ten year old Blacks Forced White Boys to Perform Sex Acts

October 1, 1993

Judge found Gregory and a 14-year old companion guilty of three counts
of first- degree criminal sexual misconduct, two counts of felonious
assault, and one count of burglary against two White brothers nine and
eleven. "The brothers were forced to take off their clothing and
perform a sex act upon their attackers, forced to fondle and sodomize
each other, crawl to fetch a tennis ball, and were beaten with sticks
and fists. One of the brothers was hit in the head with a board and
nearly knocked unconscious. "According to statements and testimony, the
attackers, who are African-American, told the victims, who are white,
at one point in the ordeal that they were treating them like slaves,
'because you're white and we hate whites....'

"'This is the worst case I've seen in my four years with the
prosecutor's office,' said [Assistant Wayne County Prosecutor Jerry]
Dorsey.... "These were clearly terrorist behaviors...beyond a mere sex
thing or a fighting thing that boys get into. This was clearly designed
to humiliate and terrorize and inflict fear and pain on these boys,
both physical and psychological.'

Source: Detroit Free Press
======================================================

White Woman Murdered by Blacks in Racially-Motivated Gang-Rape and
Shooting

December 30, 1992

On December 30th, 1992, a 25 year-old White woman named "Missy"
McLaughlin was abducted by a carload of black males and one female from
the front of her home in Charleston, South Carolina. She was then
driven to an all-black trailer park where she was tortured, gang-raped,
and eventually shot six times and her body dumped along U.S. Highway 78
near Charleston, because, as her killers put it, "of 400 years of
oppression."

Source: Various
=====================================================



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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:15 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Mr. Zundel knows where he can find me, Mr. Scott. That he hasn't the
> balls to join us is his problem, not mine.

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former
minimum wage gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always
archiving whatever people say on the usenet and constantly trying to
ferret out personal information on people who’s opinions he doesn’t
like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you believe it?
After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish his
actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust
defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with
Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough
hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his
name stands for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.


--
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ipm

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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:15 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <380D1D3C.B5FD437A@erols.com>,
> steve wolk   wrote:
> >ipm wrote:
>
> >> Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> >> > His name is William Scott, and his friends call him "Red." This has
> >> > been confirmed by Irene Zundel, and has been clear for as long as Mr.
> >> > Scott has been using the net.
>
> >> From what I know about Irene Zundel, she's a nut.
>

[McVay bullshit snipped.]

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a
thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name
stands for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.


--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:16 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <380B3E4B.341AE829@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >Jewish Media Control – What Difference Does It Make?
> >
> >By Ian McKinney
>
> William Scott, actually - another man who believes in the National
> Alliance credo, which holds that white folks are too stupid to (1)
> think for themselves, (2) to inept to acquire capital, and (3) too
> bloody stoopid to invest that capital in publicly traded corporations
> even if they did accidently manage to collect some.

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum
wage gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever
people say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal
information on people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides
behind a lousy mail drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous
times, he pathetically refuses to publish his actual address or phone number.
Not only that, but the great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face
meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He
is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name
stands for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.




--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:16 EDT 1999
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380DB57B.69F99D4C@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> >>
> >> > Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.
> >>
> >> Ah, don't you love it when cowards who don't even use their real NAME in
> >> flame wars think they can demand that other people post their real
> >> adress?
> >>
> >> Ever heard the story about the pot and the kettle, "ipm"?
> >
> >The difference is that I don't archive people's postings. I don't post
> >people's personal information. I don't lurk around searching for information
> >about people. Only McVay does that. He's a total coward and hypocrite and
> >anyone following this thread knows that now.
> >
> Anonymous Coward.

Ok, little Sara. Isn't it time for your nap?

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ipm

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:17 EDT 1999
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380DB71B.4A4E5B4C@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> >> In article <380CE2AE.32624A56@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
> >> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Mr. Zundel knows where he can find me, Mr. Scott. That he hasn't the
> >> >> balls to join us is his problem, not mine.
> >> >
> >> >That's not what he says. BTW, I assume you're going to post that info I
> >> >requested?
> >>
> >> Mr. Zundel's secretary, Miss Lemire, contacted me by email requesting
> >> a meeting. I responded, as I always do, that Mr. Zundel was welcome to
> >> meet me on the net.
> >
> >IOW, you wimped out. Why can't he meet you at your house or a restaurant?
> >
> >But forget all that right now, coward. Post your actual location.
> >
> >I think that "OBC" means "One Big Chicken."
> >
>
> And IPM stands for "I'm Pretty Moronic."

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a
thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name
stands for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.




--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:17 EDT 1999
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> Anonymous Coward.
>
> Sara
>

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a
thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.

--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Sara Salzman wrote:

> Unless your real name is "ipm," you're STILL an Anonymous Coward. Gues
> dose mean ole JOOOOOOS really frighten you, eh?
>

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on
the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you
believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish his
actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender
hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an
avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands for
“One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.


--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:18 EDT 1999
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> ISara (note: REAL NAME)
>
> --
> "I am an agitator, and an agitator is the center
> post in a washing machine that gets the dirt out."
>      Jim Hightower

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on
the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you
believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish
his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender
hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an
avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.




--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:18 EDT 1999
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> Why do you hide behind a nym? What's your NAME, Coward?

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough
hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.



--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Sara Salzman wrote:

> Anonymous Coward lies again.
>
> Tell it to the shtetls, liar.
>
> Sara
>
> --
> "I am an agitator, and an agitator is the center
> post in a washing machine that gets the dirt out."
>      Jim Hightower

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on
the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people
who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can
you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to
publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust
defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst
Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless
coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.




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ipm

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Jim Phillips wrote:

>         Well, you are uniting a whole bunch of people against you...

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas jockey,
Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on the usenet and
constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s opinions he doesn’t
like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you believe it? After being asked
numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not
only that, but the great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite
and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands for “One
Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.




--
For White Unity,
ipm

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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Sara Salzman wrote:

> What's your NAME, Anonymous Coward?
>

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough
hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.


--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Sara Salzman wrote:

>
>
> Come on, Anonymous Coward, we're wating for your NAME.

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on
the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you
believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish
his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender
hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an
avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.




--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Subject:
         ZGram - October 20, 1999 - "Nizkor going...going...gone?"
    Date:
         Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:33:55 +0100
   From:
         Ingrid Rimland 
      To:
         irimland@cts.com




ZGram - Where Truth is Destiny

Copyright (c) 1999 - Ingrid A. Rimland

October 20, 1999

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Newcomers to this list and our struggle for freedom of speech on the
Net
will not appreciate the fine irony of the news item below, but there
will
be grins from sea to shining sea when people "in the know" read the
following:

Nizkor, the Zundelsite opposition web page and the main website
involved in
the first cyber war ever around the issue of freedom of speech, has
apparently slid in cyber foreclosure.

Asking price?  No, not $6 million.  A piddling $500,000!

According to the Canadian Jewish News, predated October 21, 1999, and
titled "Anti-Holocaust denial Web site's future uncertain", we learn
the
following:

Canadian Jewish News:

An extensive educational Web site that has played a significant role in

debunking Holocaust denial faces a tenuous future, unless further
funding
is secured.

Ken McVay, founder and director of the Nizkor Project (www.nizkor.org),

said last week he has sufficient funding to last only until January.

Zundelsite:

Nizkor has indeed played a "significant role", but not in "debunking
Holocaust denial."  In the beginning - say, around 1996 -  a
significant
number of the Zundelsite traffic was generated by Nizkor because of
their
poisonous posts against Revisionism and Revisionists, both on the
website
and in the news groups.  Visitors were very curious about this
so-called
"Holocaust denial" business.  The rest is happy cyber history.

Canadian Jewish News:

"Even though there has been some very strong support from a few very
generous people, it hasn't been enough," McVay, 59, said in a phone
interview from his home on Vancouver Island, B.C.

He is in the process of determining the site's commercial value,
although
he said it is not currently for sale and he does not foresee shutting
it
down.

Zundelsite:

Well, he seems to be standing on the steps of the courthouse, waiting
for
the auction, as can be deduced from the paragraphs below.

Canadian Jewish News:

McVay has listed the site on www.GreatDomains.com with an "asking
price" of
$500,000, based on the size of Nizkor and the amount of traffic it
attracts.

The site receives about 9,000 hits a day, said McVay.

Zundelsite:

And here we didn't know what kind of cyber equity the Zundelsite was
growing!  The Zundelsite routinely logs anywhere from 8,000 hits on
slow
days to 20,000 hits on hyper days.  After the New York Times article
last
year that was picked up by syndicate wires and sent to dozens of major
papers across the USA, the Zundelsite had several days of around 40,000

hits.

Canadian Jewish News:

(The Nizkor website) has grown from 27 pages in 1995 to almost 5,000
pages,
including the entire transcript of the trial of Adolf Eichmann, he
added.

Zundelsite:

So even in 1995, the Zundelsite had about 30 documents - which means we

were a noselength ahead of the Nizkorites.  :)

Canadian Jewish News:

McVay is proud to have those transcripts, the product of 18 months of
negotiation. "I know that the Holocaust deniers, who absolutely revile
this
site and me, refuse to talk about the Eichmann trial. They can't lie
about
it now."

Zundelsite:

One wonders in what universe McVay is dwelling.  Revisionists have been

discussing the Eichmann trial and the transcript controversy on many
occasions - on the Internet and elsewhere.  On this one, Ken is in
LaLaLand.

Canadian Jewish News:

The job is never-ending, said McVay. Among his current projects, he is
working on making documentation from the Nuremburg (sic) trials
available.

Zundelsite:

Good for him!  The more the merrier!  It will be cheaper in the long
run
for Ken to store them and for us to download and dissect them.  Saves
us a
lot of sweat, labor and money.

Canadian Jewish News:

Although McVay says the years of devoting himself to Nizkor have left
him
weary, his tone of voice - and the fact he recently spent four
consecutive
20-hour days on the project - belie his claim. "Of course I care," he
asserted. "I never stop caring. I don't know what I'd do without
[Nizkor].
It's my life."

Zundelsite:

Things haven't been going too bad for McVay.  Before Nizkor, he  was an

unkempt gas station attendant and a grocery clerk stacking supplies.
Becoming a schlepp for the Chosenites paid off.  At least, it netted
him a
hair cut and a suit.

Canadian Jewish News:

McVay believes that only a "small and very dedicated group of people"
does
care. He guesses that of the estimated 100 to 300 million Internet
users in
the world, only about 100 are actively involved in fighting racism on
the
Net.

Zundelsite:

So all this sweat has netted McVay some 20 supporters a year?  Which
certainly speaks volumes about the interest for Holo-business out
there.
And, by the way, who was it that said that Mr. Zundel didn't have
enough
supporters to fill a phone booth?  He has supporters in many countries.

And I certainly have many more than 100.

Canadian Jewish News:

Nizkor began when McVay, a non-Jew with a long-standing interest in
World
War II, encountered Holocaust denial on the Internet in the early
1990s. He
was angered by the bigotry he perceived.

"I'm still angry," he said. "It makes me angry that there are very few
people in the world who give a damn about this."

Zundelsite:

See?  What did we tell the Nizkorites, way back in 1995?  A lot of
people
care about the details of the Holocaust fraud - many, many more than
you
think.  In fact, it is the hottest intellectual movement on the planet.

Certainly more care to know about the racket and its manifestations
than
Mr. McVay's 100 devotees care about his claims.

Canadian Jewish News:

A native of Santa Clara, Calif., McVay grew up in a middle-class
neighborhood where, to the best of his knowledge, racism didn't exist.
In
high school, about half his friends were not white. "We never thought
about
it," he said. "Maybe I was just naive."

Although McVay had read extensively about World War II, he knew little
about the Holocaust per se. "I had just enough background to know that
[Holocaust denial] was crap, but I didn't have a clue why it was crap."

Zundelsite:

Just the other day, as I was mulling over the cyber-state-of-affairs,
it
occurred to me that not one of our regular, active opposition on the
Net is
a professional in the traditional Holocaust mode.  There's no Deborah
Lipstadt.  No Raul Hilberg.  There are only the regular character
assassins
and yellers and shriekers like Keren, McCarthy and "OBC"-McVay.  You
wonder:  Why is that?  Where is Littman?  Bernie Farber?  Marvin Kurz?
Karen Mock?  Christopher Browning?  I haven't seen them around very
much.

Canadian Jewish News:

McVay made it his business - his obsession, actually - to learn the
truth,
and show it to the rest of the world.

"That's the beauty of the Internet," he said. "Most people exposed to
the
venom of Holocaust deniers do not have the time or resources to check
the
so-called facts they provide."

Zundelsite:

Was it not the Mayor of Toronto who looked and looked and looked for
"hate"
on the Zundelsite - but for the life of her could not discover it?  On
the
other hand, there is plenty of venom to be found on the Nizkor site and
its
sidekick, the JDL site.

And just how did Mr. McVay "check the facts"?  It is part of Holocaust
lore
that at first, the Nizkor site claimed the traditional "six million."
Then
Revisionist Giwer got into the act and goaded them to increase the
number
to "eleven million" - just to show how easily inflation in victimhood
works.

Just now I checked.  Now Nizkor meekly and modestly claims "millions"
but
doesn't say how many.   Which means that Ken McVay is now a bona fide
Revisionist - since he's been caught revising numbers upwards - and
then
downwards.

Canadian Jewish News:

The Net, he noted, has given him access to prosecutors, historians and
community leaders who have provided Nizkor with testimony and answers.

Zundelsite:

Such is the intellectual glory that has accrued to Canada.  McVay the
gas
station attendant now lectures to prosecutors, historians and community

leaders and rubs elbows with the police.  Why is it, then, that none
care
to help him - unless they can scam it off some charity tax dollars?

Canadian Jewish News:

Over the years, McVay has developed a worldwide network of dozens of
volunteers to help him access, translate and post material.

Zundelsite:

Way back, the claim was 150 volunteers, implied to be working out of
Nanaimo.  When M r. Zundel went to check, all he could find was a mail
drop
in a strip mall mail box outfit.

Canadian Jewish News:

The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada administers the
Nizkor
Fund, through which donations to support the Web site can be channeled.

Zundelsite:

This part is the best.  This part takes the cake.  Did the Canadian
Human
Rights Tribunal not raise a ruckus because Mr. Zundel was one of the
Zundelsite sponsors?  Was not the shrieking claim made, over and over,
that
therefore Mr. Zundel "owned" the Zundelsite and was "administering" its

operation?

Are we now to infer that B'nai Brith is the owner of Nizkor and is
responsible for what is posted there - for the entire world to see?
You
wonder how Revenue Canada's Charity Division's forensic accountants and

investigators will look at a charity first hamstering and then donating

money to Nizkor - and then, to top it off, trying to sell the very
recipient website for a cool $500,000.

There's much, much more to come, I bet you!

Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

The first bid for the Nizkor Domain name has already been submitted - a

grand total of $250 by Mr. Marc Lemire of the Canadian Freedomsite.  :)

And just now word has reached the Zundelsite that Mr. Zundel is
contemplating a bid to help rescue Nizkor - which, he says, will become
an
"electronic monument and memorial" to the biggest scam and lie of the
century!








____Information about Ingrid Rimland's historical trilogy,
"Lebensraum!",
seized at the Canadian border for  being "politically incorrect", may
be
found at:     http://www.lebensraum.org/ir.html







--
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Sara Salzman wrote:
Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on
the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you
believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish his
actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender
hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an
avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands for
“One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.
--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on the
usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you believe
it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish his actual
address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender hides from
face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist!
He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands for
“One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.
--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Yale F.Edeiken" wrote:
Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on the
usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you believe
it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish his actual
address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender hides from
face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist!
He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands for
“One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.
--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:22 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> > > Anonymous Coward.
> > >
> > > Sara
> > >
> >
> > The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
> > gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
> > say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
> > people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
> > drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
> > refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
> > great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
> > holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a
> > thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.
> >
> > Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
> > for “One Big Chicken.”
> >
> > Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.
> >
> > --
> > For White Unity,
> > ipm
> >
> > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> > National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
>
> If you don't stop spamming the same message over and over
> again, you're going to make trouble for yourself with your
> ISP.

Its the only proper response your your obsfucating nonsense.

Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on the
usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you believe
it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish his actual
address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender hides from
face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist!
He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands for
“One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.

--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:22 EDT 1999
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380DDAFC.4F2D72A7@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> >> Anonymous Coward.
> >>
> >> Sara
> >>
> >
> >The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
> >gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
> >say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
> >people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
> >drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
> >refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
> >great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
> >holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a
> >thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.
> >
> >Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name
> stands
> >for “One Big Chicken.”
> >
> >Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.
> >
>  So if you say Ken has posted your name tell us what it is.
>

Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on
the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people who’s
opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can you
believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to publish
his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust defender
hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an
avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.


--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> > > In article ,
> > > Avital Pilpel   wrote:
> > > >On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.
> > > >
> > > >Ah, don't you love it when cowards who don't even use their real NAME in
> > > >flame wars think they can demand that other people post their real
> > > >adress?
> > > >
> > > >Ever heard the story about the pot and the kettle, "ipm"?
> > >
> > > It's a normal tactic these maroons employ when they get caught with
> > > their lies showing... in this case, not only has "Ian McKinney/Roger
> > > Hughes" lied about his identity, he has also, in this newsgroup, lied
> > > about whether or not he ever denied being William Scott.
> >
> > No, Kenny boy, the matter at hand is your location and phone number. You're even too
> > dense to realize that you've been totally exposed as a gutless coward and a
> > hypocrite. Come on, boy, lets have that address. And don't keep hiding behind your
> > B'nai B'rith maildrop.
> >
> > --
> > For White Unity,
> > ipm
> >
> > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> > National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
>
> Tell us Herr IPM, do you broadcast your violence provoking,
> hateful screeds over your ham station KO4FE?

I have never broadcast any hateful screeds anywhere.

--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage gas
jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people say on
the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on people
who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail drop! Can
you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically refuses to
publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the great holocaust
defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the holocaust with Ernst
Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a thorough hypocrite and gutless
coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name stands
for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for that address.

--
For White Unity,
ipm

Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Magnus wrote:

> "A new ADL investigation reveals that the neo-Nazi National Alliance (NA) is
> the single most dangerous organized hate group in the United States today."
> That's straight from the ADL site. They have quite a bit of web space
> donated to Pierce. I don't know why, I mean the National Alliance is just a
> bunch of harmless hillbillys right?

Well, since you're obviously so well-read on the National Alliance, please tell
us what crime has the National Alliance or its leader, Dr. Pierce, ever been
convicted of?

I'll save you the trouble of answering: NONE

--
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ipm

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:24 EDT 1999
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > You're even too
> > dense to realize that you've been totally exposed as a gutless coward and a
> > hypocrite.
>
> The man who hides behind a fake screen-name calls other "cowards".
>
> What a hypocrite.

No, the big difference between McVay and myself is that I don't care about
anyone's personal business, where they live or even what handle they use. I don't
maintain archives of people's postings either. I argue facts and ideas, not
personalities. Maybe you don't like my ideas, but too bad. The Constitution says
people have a legal right to express themselves and I'm going to do that. There's
no law that demands that I use any particular name when I do it. Besides, there's
many perfectly legitiment reasons to use an alias, but that's none of your
business either. Its obvious what McVay is doing. He tries to intimidate people
with unpopular ideas by posting personal information in the hopes that some
lawbreaker will commit some vandalism or harrassment either against the person in
question or someone with the same name. Of course, when that happens the great
coward, McVay, will probably be dusting his hands off and saying "I didn't have
anything to do with such acts. Nizkor condemns all illegal actions." or some
other bullshit Of course, the greatest hypocrisy of all is that McVay won't
publish his address or phone number!

One of these days his little game is going to turn to shit.

Maybe he keeps it up in a desparate attempt to convince his Jewish handlers that
they should continue to support his sorry ass. By the sounds of it not many Jews
have much faith in little Kenny anymore. It seems like McVay's stock is dropping
and has been since just after the old National Alliance Cybercell gave him and
his Nizkooks a thorough ass whomping on AR a couple of years ago. The ol' boy
just hasn't been the same since. Probably the truth is he just doesn't want to go
back to the grimey gasoline station that he crawled out from! Just think, he went
>from a gas station loser to an "expert" on the holocaust. Boy, I'll tell you,
when the Jews decide to start blowing sunshine up some dumb goy's ass, they
really do it up in grand fashion.

Expert, what a joke.

--
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ipm

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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > > > Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.
> > >
> > > Ah, don't you love it when cowards who don't even use their real NAME in
> > > flame wars think they can demand that other people post their real
> > > adress?
> > >
> > > Ever heard the story about the pot and the kettle, "ipm"?
> >
> > The difference is that I don't archive people's postings.
>
> What's stopping you? When you make a usenet post, it is a *public
> messege*. It isn't private email. Dejanews, for example, archives your
> posts as well. Are they part of the jewish conspiracy?

I don't archive because I don't have any desire instigate harrassment or be
responsible for what some idiot might do. As far as I'm concerned, what people
post is their business. If I really want to know what they said, I'll go look
myself. Also I respect the privacy of others. That's an American tradition that
you obviously don't respect.



> Anyway, I am very surprised at what a coward you are. Supposed McVay
> *does* all you claim he does. So? IS that enought to scare you so much you
> must use an anonymous screen name? Why is archiving your posts (boo!) so
> scary you must hide?

My use of a alias has nothing to do with protecting me, believe me. Its just a
pen name that I've used for years now and I see no reason to stop. You're not
going to make me stop either!

Look, quit fooling yourselves and realize none of you scare me in the least.
McVay, you're just a cowardly hypocrite who hides behind the skirt of the B'nai
B'rith. Everybody sees that. Even the Jews don't respect you much anymore as
evidenced by the fact that their handouts to you keep dropping off as time
passes.

--
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ipm

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > Give me YOUR physical address. Don't hide behind B'Nai B'rith.
> > >
> > > Ah, don't you love it when cowards who don't even use their real NAME in
> > > flame wars think they can demand that other people post their real
> > > adress?
> > >
> > > Ever heard the story about the pot and the kettle, "ipm"?
> >
> > The difference is that I don't archive people's postings. I don't post
> > people's personal information. I don't lurk around searching for information
> > about people. Only McVay does that. He's a total coward and hypocrite and
> > anyone following this thread knows that now.
> >
> > --
> > For White Unity,
> > ipm
> >
> > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> > National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
>
> No, they don't.  The people who follow your threads know
> that you are a vile racist, anti-Semite, and Neo-Nazi.

TRANSLATION: Someone who exposes the truth about Jewish political activity.



> Look
> around. No one here at sci.skeptic defends you.

That doesn't bother me. I never worry about fashion in either clothing or
opinions. I "calls 'em as I sees 'em." Also I don't need a bunch people and
organizations protecting me like the great Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken).

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Dragonblaze wrote:

> In article <380E9605.710731C3@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> > Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)
> > The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former
>
> That's it, idiot. You've spammed this ng once too often.

I'm really shaking.

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Dragonblaze wrote:

> In article <380DB1DB.F850EE65@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > Avital Pilpel wrote:
> > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > Is that the best you can do? LOL! Karl Marx was a racial Jew.
>
> There is no such being as a "racial Jew". Being a Jew is determined by
> culture and/or religion, not genetics.

Oh, is that so? Maybe you better tell the Jews about that. Evidently you're not
aware that one way is a person becomes a Jew is to be born from a Jewish mother.
If biology has nothing to do with being a Jew, then why do they restrict it to
that and not a child fathered by a Jewish man? Such a person would have to make
a religous conversion, whereas a person born to a Jewess is automatically a Jew.

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Speaking of being, drubk, you shouldn't be posting when you
> have a snootfull.

Ok, Slotnick, you made one decent joke about the lox and bagels, don't let that
go to your head. You're no comedian.

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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > You're just pissed that when you were circumcised the rabbi was drubk and
> > cut-off too much.
>
> Rabbis do not perform circumcisions, but of course the big expert on
> Judaism, "ipm", didn't know that.

Are you telling me that rabbis don't perform circumcisions anymore? How about
Hassidic rabbis?

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Jacob Minsky wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, ipm  wrote:
>
> >JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM
> >Ian McKinney
>
> Why if it isn't Roger Hughes/Bob Dawgson/William Scott/whatever the
> hell *still* posting the same garbage after all these years!

As long as the truth is suppressed, I'll be in here exposing it.



> > While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism will
> >concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, while at the same time denying any
> >otherwise significant Jewish involvement, but let's see the them deny
> >the communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
> >that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
> >D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia, which
> >clearly identify Jews as the leaders of Bolshevism.
>
> What do you mean "let's see the them?" You've seen it already - nobody
> with an IQ higher than the room temperature (even in centigrade) can
> take this garbage seriously. A prime example is this:
>
> >A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
> >reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
> >were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
> >Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come
> >to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
> >Government."
>
> [similar stuff omitted]
>
> It was previously pointed out to Scott/Ian/Roger that there was no
> governmental organ that consisted of 384 people, that the "negroes" and
> "Chinamen" among the commissars are pure fantasy (as are American Jews),
> that one can easily name more than 13 Russian commissars, and that, in
> general, only a complete idiot who was also illiterate and ignorant
> could belive any of this. Upon being asked to name these "negroes,"
> "Chinamen," American Jews - at least some of them - and give some
> relevant dates and documentation, Roger/Ian/Whatever would run off and
> come back later to post more lies and forgeries.

Well, too bad the people who were in Russia at the time disagree with you.


> >"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
> >Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
> >new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
> >Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
> >and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
> >physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
> >Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
>
> The quote is largely forged, cretin, and it would seem to refer to an
> article by one Svetozar Tonjoroff, who was certainly not Jewish, and
> thus hardly has anything to do with "Jewish sources."

It was published in a Jewish publication, wasn't it?




> But this is not to say that there is nothing in the newspaper about Jews
> and Bolsheviks. In fact, there is a regular column on the subject that
> appears in every issue in 1919. Thing is, it is dedicated to *refuting*
> the lies that Ian is peddling now. A representative (and particularly
> good) article appears in the December 12 issue. I'll quote it from my
> message (at http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=530021048).
>
>    The  systematic  attempts  that  are  now  being  made
>    to identify the Jews of Russia  with  the Bolshevists,
>    to represent  Bolshevism  as  a  Jewish movement,  and
>    thus to  hold up  the entire Jewish people  to obloquy
>    and attack,  are based  solely upon  the  fact  that a
>    certain  number  of  prominent Bolshevist Commissaries
>    are of Jewish birth.  Upon this fact,  which has never
>    been denied,have been built up all sorts of fanatastic
>    accusations,  such as  that  the  Jews  wish  to wreak
>    revenge upon Russia for the persecutions under Tsardom,
>    and  that  they  aim  at  sweeping  away  Christian
>    civilization so as to enthrone Judaism  as the dominant
>    faith  throughout the world.  How utterly absurd these
>    calumnies are, and  how  grotesquely  exaggerated  are
>    most  of  the  stories  of  Jewish  participation  in
>    Bolshevism  can  be  proved  by  an  unimpassioned
>    examination of the ascertainable facts and figures.

Oh, so here we have some Jews denying Jewish involevment in Bolshevism.
Sure, we can trust them.



> >"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
> >communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
> >the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
>
> As I pointed out to some other knuckle-dragger who tried this stunt
> before you did, somebody pawed a decimal point here: it wasn't 52%,
> it was 5.2%. I guess I can understand your hatred of decimal points
> though - if it wasn't for them, you could say that the average neo-Nazi
> has 15 functioning neurons in his brain.

I will definitely check that source again, but you not so cleverly selected
only a few quotes, how about all the rest? Obviously, you had no luck with
those. But I'll through in a few more anyway.

I have more where these came from:

"There is scarcely an event in modern history that cannot be traced to the
Jews. We Jews today, are nothing else but the world's seducers, its
destroyer's, its incendiaries." - - (Oscar Levy, The World Significance of
the Russian Revolution).

"Why then has it (Winter in Moscow) never been republished? The answer may
lie in Muggeridge's handling of what was then called the 'Jewish
question.'...Winter in Moscow is acutely concerned with Jews...It was of
course the case that a very disproportionate number of the early Bolsheviks
were Jews and thus of commissars and apparatchiki..." - - (Sunday Telegraph
(London, England: Nov. 18, 1990)

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of
Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by
these international and for the most part atheistical Jews." - - ( Winston
Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Feb. 8, 1920)

"Bolshevism is a religion and a faith. How could those half-converted
believers dream to vanquish the 'Truthful' and the 'Faithful of their own
creed, those holy crusaders, who had gathered around the Red standard of the
prophet Karl Marx, and who fought under the daring guidance of those
experienced officers of all latterday revolutions the Jews?" (Dr. Oscar
Levy, Preface to "The World Significance of the Russian Revolution" by
George Pitt-Rivers, 1920)

The Jewish domination in Russia is supported by certain Russians...they (the
Jews), having wrecked and plundered Russia by appealing to the ignorance of
the working folk, are now using their dupes to set up a new tyranny worse
than any the world has known." (The Last Days of the Romanovs, Robert
Wilton; Rulers of Russia, Rev. Denis Fahey, p. 15)

"As for anyone who does not know that the present revolutionary Bolshevist
movement is Jewish in Russia, I can only say that he must be a man who is
taken in by the suppressions of our deplorable Press." (G.K.'s Weekly,
February 4, 1937, Hilaire Belloc)

You accuse us of stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the
charge. What of it?...You make much noise and fury about undue Jewish
influence in your theaters and movie palaces. Very good; granted your
complaint is well founded. But WHAT IS THAT COMPARED TO OUR STAGGERING
INFLUENCE IN YOUR CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, YOUR LAWS AND YOUR GOVERNMENT, AND THE
VERY THOUGHTS YOU THINK EVERY DAY?- - (Marcus Eli Ravage, member of the
staff of the New York Tribune, "A Real Case Against the Jews," in Century
Magazine, January-February, 1928).


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TYGHOCK wrote:

> >Why if it isn't Roger Hughes/Bob Dawgson/William Scott/whatever the
> >hell *still* posting the same garbage after all these years!(snip)
>
> >Note to sci.skeptic readers: "Ian"'s stuff is the same long-refuted
> >ignorant trash that's been circulated by him and two or three of his
> >neo-Nazi buddies for at least three years now; they used to call
> >themselves the "National Alliance Cybercell" and "invade" newsgroups
> >by posting hundreds of their canned racist rants a day, usually
> >under several different aliases each. "Ian" would even carry on
> >back-and-forth conversations with himself under three different
> >names. (excellent debunking of racist crap snipped for brevity).
>
> ipm, you have a tendency to answer posts with something like 'LOL!' pretending
> it somehow gives help to your White Supremacy junk. Actually, it just looks
> desperate and somewhat pathetic. You've been exposed and refuted pretty well
> here, and in other posts.
>
> Do you have an answer that isn't a lie?

I can't help it if I break into laughter when I reread some of these people's
foolishness. I actually have a good time getting these goofballs stirred up. Its
one of the side benefits.

If everything I post is a lie, then refute it all. Otherwise quit bitching.


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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> TYGHOCK wrote:
> >
> > >Why if it isn't Roger Hughes/Bob Dawgson/William Scott/whatever the
> > >hell *still* posting the same garbage after all these years!(snip)
> >
> > >Note to sci.skeptic readers: "Ian"'s stuff is the same long-refuted
> > >ignorant trash that's been circulated by him and two or three of his
> > >neo-Nazi buddies for at least three years now; they used to call
> > >themselves the "National Alliance Cybercell" and "invade" newsgroups
> > >by posting hundreds of their canned racist rants a day, usually
> > >under several different aliases each. "Ian" would even carry on
> > >back-and-forth conversations with himself under three different
> > >names. (excellent debunking of racist crap snipped for brevity).
> >
> > ipm, you have a tendency to answer posts with something like 'LOL!' pretending
> > it somehow gives help to your White Supremacy junk. Actually, it just looks
> > desperate and somewhat pathetic. You've been exposed and refuted pretty well
> > here, and in other posts.
> >
> > Do you have an answer that isn't a lie?
> >
> > - TYGHOCK
>
> When "imp" (William P. Scott) posts "LOL," it means "lying
> out loud."

Hey, when can I expect that hannaka card? You gonna put any money in it?

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The Jewish Chronicle - December 12, 1919

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM

The "Times" Campaign

THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIST" LIE

By ISRAEL COHEN

The systematic attempts that are now being made to identify the Jews in

Russia with the Bolshevists, to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish
movement,
and thus to hold up the entire Jewish people to obloquy and attack, are

based solely upon the fact that a certain number of prominent
Bolshevist
Commissaries are of Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never been
denied, have been built up all sorts of fantastic accusations, such as
that the Jews wish to wreak revenge upon Russia for the persecutions
under
Tsardom, and that they aim at sweeping away Christian civilisation so
as
to enthrone Judaism as the dominant faith throughout the world. How
utterly absurd these calumnies are, and how grotesquely exaggerated are

most of the stories of Jewish participation in Bolshevism can be proved
by
an unimpassioned examination of the ascertainable facts and figures.

[IPM: Its hardly absurd, since in 1999 we have a long and extensive
record of disproportionate Jewish involvement in Communist activities
including, but not limited to political agitation, organizational
leadership, Soviet espionage, and armed revolutionary activity. The
first three are confirmed by Jewish psychohistorian, Stanley Roth
writing in the “The Journal of Psychohistory”, Fall 1978, who provides
a useful summary of Jewish involvement with Communism throughout the
western World in "Group Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism". He writes:
"In the United States, perhaps some 50% of the Communist Party was of
Jewish background during the 1930s; the radical American Student Union
was heavily Jewish and, just as importantly, the Soviet espionage
apparatus in this country ... was pretty largely of Jewish background."
He continues: “In Western Europe Jews continued to take an active
radical role. In France, during the 1968 upheavals, students of Jewish
background dominated Trotskyite leadership cadres." "Jews provided the
critical mass for the student left and the counter culture in the
United States during the early and mid-1960s. Studies indicate that in
its initial phases, SDS leadership was about 67% Jewish." Rothman then
goes on to show how Jewish radicals even "ran the show" at mid-Western
campuses. One (Gentile) SDS Organizer at Madison, Wisconsin, commented:
"I am struck by the lack of Wisconsin-born people (in the left) and the
massive preponderance of New York Jews. The situation at the University
of Minnesota is similar." In the faculties too, the radical factions
were "largely Jewish".

In another article in the (American Jewish Historical Quarterly,
December 1976) Arthur Liebman shows in "The Ties That Bind": "The
Jewish Daily Forward (a Yiddish socialist newspaper) to a large extent
surpassed the rabbis and Orthodoxy as the educator of the Jewish
community in the United States ... The more astute and sensitive Jewish
Socialists in the pre-World War I years ... sought opportunities to
demonstrate that Judaism, as they defined and interpreted it, was quite
compatible if not supportive of Socialism. Socialism was presented to
the Jewish masses as a secular version of Judaism. Thus, during a
strike, the Law of Moses was cited in support of the strikers. The
Socialist Party's Rand School was lyricized by the Forward at its
founding in 1906 as 'the socialist' yeshiva ... where the rabbis and
teachers of our movement were being prepared'..

As to armed revolutionary activity, Roth exposes the fact that the
violent Weather Underground was heavily Jewish: and he quotes from an
interview with a Jewish ex-Weatherman who recalls the motivations of
himself and his peers in the 1960s: "A lot of the Weatherman leadership
was Jewish and had never been tough street kids, and I really believe
that a tremendous amount of what they were doing was overcoming their
own fears about their masculinity ... Most of them ... had been
intellectually aggressive, but all of a sudden they were trying to be
tough street kids ... I think there was a lot of self-hate going on."]


"JEWS" SAID TO BE BOLSHEVISTS

It is impossible to state the exact number or even proportion of
Bolshevist Commmissaries who are of Jewish origin, for the simple
reason
that the Soviet Government has not carried out a religious or race
census
of its civil servants. If such a census were carried out it would
doubtless show that pure Russians, Poles, and Letts predominate
considerably over the Jews. All the statements made that the latter
form
the majority of the Commissaries are at best the sheerest conjecture.

[IPM: This is absolute nonsense. Any astute person can determine with a
fair degree of accuracy whether someone is a Jew. Its no different than
today when just about any political analyst knows, for example, that
Bill Clinton has a tremendous number of Jews in his administration.
These people don’t wear yellow stars or a sign on their back that says:
“I’m a Jew”, but the information gets around anyway. I mean some of the
Jews in Russia even tried to mascarade by changing their obviously
Jewish name to something that sounded Russian. For example, Yakov
Sverdlov (Solomon)  who was both the Bolshevik party's executive
secretary and - as chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head
of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) who headed the
Communist International (Comintern), the central agency for spreading
revolution in foreign countries. Press commissar Karl Radek
(Sobelsohn), and foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach). I
expect only a nincompoop would have been fooled into thinking these
people were real Russians.]


Not
one such statement has been substantiated by names or by unimpeachable
statistics. Prominent Commissaries are designated as Jews, and if no
denial is published, the label - and the libel - stick. Of the list of
twenty-eight "conspicuous Bolshevists" given in a recent issue of The
Times, by a correspondent who signed himself "Janus", as "either
full-blooded Jews or of Jewish extraction," at least ten were either
non-Jews, or anti-Bolshevists, or dead Bolshevists, and I have obtained

information that another two, Parvus and Bakowski, must also be
eliminated. For Parvus, although he was associated with a Bolshevist
paper
in Stockholm, subventioned by the German Imperial Government for the
purpose of creating chaos in Russia, is not a Bolshevist himself, has
not
been in Russia for the last few years, and is living quietly in
Switzerland.

{IPM: Ok , he’s was no longer a Bolshevik, but he was still a
communist.]


As for Rakowski, I have received a letter from a British
military officer in Paris who spent a couple of year of the war in
South
Russia and neighbouring territories, stating that Rakowski on several
occasions stood as Socialist candidate for Galatz; and it is notorious
that Jews, at any rate hitherto, cannot be admitted to the Rumanian
Parliament.

[IPM: Much of this cannot be verified, but even if true that’s only one
out of many]



But be the number of Bolshevist Commissaries of Jewish birth whatever
it
may, that affords no proof that the majority of the Jews in Soviet
Russia
approve of Bolshevist doctrines, still less that they condone
Bolshevist
iniquities. If Trotzky or any of his comrades of Jewish origin were the

elected or recognised representatives of Russian Jewry, or even of a
single Jewish community or party, one might conclude that their policy
and
principles were sanctioned by the Jews in general. But neither Trotzky
nor
any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represents or has ever represented

the Jewish people, or is connected with the Jewish community or any
Jewish
party, or has ever taken any active part in Jewish public life. Nor
does
Trotzky or any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represent specifically
Jewish ideals, advocate specifically Jewish aspirations, or share
specifically Jewish sympathies. On the contrary, these men are, as a
matter of fact, divorced from the Jewish community, completely
estranged
>from Jewish teachings and traditions, and have shown themselves in many

things actually hostile to Jews. When Trotzky first became prominent as
a
Bolshevist leader he was appealed to by a deputation of the Council of
the
Petrograd Jewish Community to sever his connection with the movement,
as
they feared that it would lead to the shedding of innocent Jewish
blood;
but he remained adamant to their entreaties, denying that he was a Jew
and
refusing to recognise Jews as such. And when he was appealed to later
to
save a Jewish community from a pogrom, he replied that he recognised no

difference of religion or nationality. But although Trotzky is one of
the
most prominent Bolshevists, he was not the creator of the system. The
doctrine was hatched in the pure Slavic brain of Lenin, and Trotzky is
a
comparatively recent disciple.

[IPM: We now know based on information from the recently opened Soviet
archives that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish. Hardly a “pure Slavic
brain.”]


Even The Times (in its issue of December
5th last) states: "Trotzky, the vulgar Thersites of Brest-Litovsk, was
a
late arrival, who turned Bolshevist only because the political
quarantine
to which he had been subjected by the British authorities at Halifax
prevented him from sailing in time to assume the leadership of the
Menshevists after the revolution." So, the British authorities are
apparently responsible for Trotzky having turned Bolshevist ! How
repugnant Lenin's doctrine is to the Jewish mind is proved by the fact
that among the host of well-known Jewish writers in Russia not a single

one was forthcoming to propagate its virtues, and the Commissary for
Education, whose particular function is to distil and disseminate the
principles of the communist creed, is a pure Russian - Lunacharsky.

[IPM: Notice the sleight of hand used all through this article. The
author concentrates on Bolsheviks only, as if the Mensheviks and
Bundists were something other than revolutionary Marxists.]




SOME ANTI-BOLSHEVIST FACTS

Such statistics as are available show that only a small percentage of
the
Jews are followers of Lenin. In the autumn of 1917 the Bolshevists
published a statistical analysis of the constituents of the Soviets,
showing that the Bolshevists were more largely composed of pure Russian

elements than the Menshevists, who are anti-Bolshevists.

[IPM: Anti-Bolshevik, but still Marxists]


In December,
1918, the Jews formed only 2.6 per cent of the 121,071 organised
Bolshevists in Petrograd. On the other hand, in the Jewish Pale of
Settlement, there were 18,000 organised Menshevists, but there were no
organised Bolshevists worth speaking of. Moreover, whenever there has
been
any election during the last two years in the Jewish communities in
Russia, there have been all sorts of parties, but never a Bolshevist
party.

[IPM: Still Menshevik = Marxist]


 In February, 1918, there were elections in thirty-two large
communities, and of the 1,034 representatives belonging to ten
different
parties, there were 438 Zionists, 139 Orthodox, and 124 Bundists, but
not
a single Bolshevist.

[IPM: Curiously, the author leaves out one important detail about the
“Bundists” as shown by the following statement:  “Perhaps these reforms
are the cause of the present tranquillity, because the revolutionary
leaders nearly all belong to the Jewish race and the most effective
revolutionary agency is the JEWISH BUND.” (From a speech given to the
National Geographic Society, Washington, DC, on December 14, 1906, by
William Elroy Curtis and published in National Geographic Magazine for
May, 1907 (pp. 313-314)). It is apparent here, and verified through
other sources also, that the Jewish Bund was just another a
Marxist/Communist organization.

As to the Zionists mentioned, they are nothing more than Jewish
nationalists. Hardly a group loyal or patriotic to Russia.]


 Again, there was a conference of Jewish communities
in Moscow at the beginning of July, 1918, and of the 133 delegates
representing thirty-nine communities, there were fifty-three Zionists,
twenty Orthodox, and fifteen Bundists, but not a single Bolshevist. The

reason for the unpopularity of Bolshevism among the Jews is due not
only
to its politics, but also to its predatory economics. For the
establishment of the communist regime was aimed essentially at the
propertied classes, the bourgeoisie; it struck principally at the
existence of the merchants, the manufacturers, and the members of the
liberal professions, who were most largely recruited from the Jewish
community. How often were we told before the war that the Jews in
Russia
were only pedlars, middlemen, and usurers ? How often were we told
during
the war that the Jews were the profiteers ? Is it then likely that they

would favour a system that would blight their economic existence ? Is
it
they who would set up a dictatorship of the proletariat ?

So far from the Jews having thrown in their lot with Lenin, they are
among
his most determined opponents. As the Council of the Jewish Community
of
Archangel pointed out in December, 1918, in a memorandum to the
Provisional Government of North Russia, "if there are Jews who are
leaders
of the Bolshevists, there are similarly Jews in the forefront ranks of
the
fight against Bolshevism." The leader of the Russian Menshevists is a
Jewish Socialist, Paul Axelrod; and Dan and Martoff, sometimes wrongly
dubbed Bolshevists, are also Menshevists. Further, the Jewish middle
and
upper classes belong mainly to the Liberal party of the Cadets, whose
leader, the eminent Jewish lawyer, M. Vinaver, was compelled to flee
for
his life. Another acknowledged and esteemed leader of Russian Jewry,
Baron
de Gunzburg, was also forced to flee abroad, and the well-known
advocate,
Bramson, has tasted bitterly of Soviet oppression. But, what is more
significant still, the Commissary Uritzky was killed by the Jew
Kannegiesser, and the only attempt upon the life of Lenin was made by a

Jewish girl, Dora Kaplan.

[IPM: It is never the case that ALL Jews agree with each other. And,
there’s nothing rare about Jews killing other Jews over political
differences. For example, we had Israeli Prime Minister Rabin
assassinated by a conservative Jew in Israel two years ago. Even in my
personal experience with Jews, I’ve met right-wing Zionist Jews who
absolutely hated leftist Jews.]



THE JEWISH FATE

But if there is anything that should demonstrate how groundless and
grotesque is the lie that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement, it is the
record of the persecution of the Jewish communities by the Soviet
Commissaries and of the pogroms by the Bolshevist soldiery and mob.
Local
Commissaries have carried on a bitter and relentless campaign against
the
organised religious communities.

[IPM: A campaign aimed mostly at Christians.]


In many towns, such as Saratoff and
Kursk, the Jewish communal organisation has been suppressed, and
communal
buildings (schools, libraries, etc.) have been closed or requisitioned.

The Hebrew language has been stigmatised as "counter-revolutionary,"
and
Hebrew newspapers have been proscribed. A decision of the Commissariat
of
Education, passed on July 11, 1919, states that "the language Ibrith
does
not form the vernacular of the Jewish masses, for which reason this
language cannot be regarded as a language of a national minority, and
hence must be subjected to the same regulations as every foreign tongue

which does not represent a vernacular in the regions of Soviet Russia."

The Commissariat of Education has, therefore forbidden the teaching of
Hebrew in schools of the "first category" and restricted it in schools
of
the "second category." The Soviet Commissaries display especial
hostility
against the Zionist movement, which is denounced as
"counter-revolutionary" and as "an instrument of Entente Imperialism."

[IPM: I attribute this mostly one set of Jews trying to eliminate their
Jewish competition.]


Zionist societies have been dissolved in several cities (Petrograd,
Kieff,
etc.), Zionist meetings are forbidden and Zionist funds have been
confiscated. According to the most recent information, the house of a
prominent Zionist in Petrograd, M. Tchirikover, was searched by the
Bolshevists, who seized 30,000 roubles belonging to the Zionist
Committee,
the Zionist Chronica is shut down, and M. Gepstein, a Petrograd member
of
the Central Committee of Russian Zionists, and M. Stemadski, an active
Moscow Zionist, are interned.

[IPM: What all this actually shows is just how much subversive activity
Jews were really involved in. If we take away the Zionists and Marxists
there’s not many Jews left.]




Finally, there are the massacres of Jews by Bolshevists that have taken

place on various occasions and in different towns during the last
eighteen
months. The Red Army carried out regular pogroms in the summer of 1918
at
Novgorod-Seversk (where sixty-five Jews were killed and 120 wounded by
the
Sumski Regiment), Seredina, Orscha and Gluchow. In all these places the

synagogues were desecrated and defiled; at Novgorod-Seversk the Rabbi
was
actually hanged in the synagogue; and at Gorodok (Vitebsk) and other
places the synagogues were turned into stables for soldiers' horses. In

March of this year there were further pogroms in Soviet Russia, e.g.,
at
Borissov (Minsk), Homel, Wassilewitschi (ten Jews killed), and Golynki
(Mohilev, fourteen Jews killed).

[IPM: Even if true, these numbers are small potatoes compared to the
massacres of gentiles that went on for years. Besides, the writer gives
us no background information on these Jews. So we can only assume and
guess the actual reasons for these killings.]



The anti-Semitism of the Red Army is
notorious when detachments were sent to suppress pogroms organised by
armed peasants, they expressed resentment at being "misused" for this
purpose, and in several cases actually participated in the outrages.

[IPM: While its true that anti-Semitism was strong in Russia, the fact
remains that many conspicuous Jews were prominant among the various
Marxist factions - Bolshevik, Menshevik, Bund, or whatever. The author
admits that the Mensheviks were predominantly led by Jews and mentions
many other leaders as Jews. If anti-Semitism had been such a force
within the Russian Marxists so many Jews wouldn’t have been in
positions of responsibility. Most really anti-Jewish Russians were
allied with Col. Kolchak’s counterrevolutionary White army, which
fought the Bolsheviks for years before being finally defeated.]



It is
true that some of the ringleaders were shot by the authorities, but
this
does not minimise the loss sustained by the Jews or the gravity of the
peril to which they were exposed on the part of the troops
indoctrinated
with Bolshevism. If only those bloodstained guardians of the Communist
Paradise knew that their Jewish victims were represented in Western
Europe
as its pillars and paladins what sardonic laughter would be theirs !
But,
despite the sacrifices made by Jewish communities to Bolshevist fury,
they
had to pay a fresh toll to anti-Bolshevist vengeance. For Denikin's
Volunteer Army has recently perpetrated pogroms at Eksterinoslav,
Mikhailovka, Fastov, Krementchug and Kieff, which were marked by
unbridled
butchery, bestiality, and wholesale plunder. Thus have the Jews in
Russia
become the helpless victims of the wickedness of a baseless lie.


This article is little more than propaganda and consists mostly of
heresay and rumor. No verifiable or official sources. Few sources named
at all. Hardly a refutation of anything.


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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380F0819.1369282A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
>
> >Hey, when can I expect that hannaka card? You gonna put any money in it?
> >
>
> Only if you use it for that pre-frontal lobotomy.

Hey, if you want a lobotomy don't assume I'm paying for it! Any money I get from
Slotnick is mine.

While I'm thinking about it. How about you baking up some genuine Jew bagels for me?
Don't worry I won't eat them so you can forget about the poison. I want them for
landscaping around flower beds.

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380F01CB.243E89CE@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> >>
> >> > You're just pissed that when you were circumcised the rabbi was drubk and
> >> > cut-off too much.
> >>
> >> Rabbis do not perform circumcisions, but of course the big expert on
> >> Judaism, "ipm", didn't know that.
> >
> >Are you telling me that rabbis don't perform circumcisions anymore? How about
> >Hassidic rabbis?
> >
> LOL!!!
>
> What an ASSHOLE!!!
>
> Rabbis have NEVER performed circumcisions. Circumcisions are performed by
> a mohel.

I've heard of a motel, but what's a "mohel?" What is that a special Jew who
performs the rite?

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380F00B5.9FD8303C@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Dragonblaze wrote:
> >
> >> In article <380DB1DB.F850EE65@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> >> > Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >> > > On Tue, 19 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> >>
> >> > Is that the best you can do? LOL! Karl Marx was a racial Jew.
> >>
> >> There is no such being as a "racial Jew". Being a Jew is determined by
> >> culture and/or religion, not genetics.
> >
> >Oh, is that so? Maybe you better tell the Jews about that. Evidently you're not
> >aware that one way is a person becomes a Jew is to be born from a Jewish
> mother.
> >If biology has nothing to do with being a Jew, then why do they restrict it to
> >that and not a child fathered by a Jewish man? Such a person would have to make
> >a religous conversion, whereas a person born to a Jewess is automatically
> a Jew.
> >
>  To paraphrase Fergus McClelland, do you refer to Catholic women as
> "Catholicesses"?

No, because Catholic is purely a religion, not a nationality or ethnicity.

What's wrong with "Jewess?"

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Tim Stevens wrote:

> Being a Jew doesn't depend upon 'race', which is a social construct, and not
> a biological on. In other word, you can pretty much use anything you want to
> define 'race' since there is no agreed upon standard for it. Even physical
> anthropologists cannot agree on what a 'race' is.

Not all of them, but I think that most rational people do pretty well at
identifying races. Go to Harlem and try to convince the Blacks there that you're
a brother.


> But your Führer in hell, thought it did and murdered whoever he called a
> Jew, pretty much making up the definition as he went along, just as you and
> your little band of thugs do which shows when you gratuitously call anyone
> who disagrees with you a Jew, even if they do not practice Judaism and even
> if they have no ancestors who were Jewish.

Please give some examples of my doing that?



> Unlike your Führer, however, those who stand up to your hatred will not let
> it happen again. You see, we actually *like* when you post instead of
> spreading your lies in the shadows and planting bombs on school buses
> because we can expose you for the liar and hater you are with every post.

Well, since I don't lurk in shadows or know anything about bombs, your comments
don't apply to me.




> The more you post, the more the rest of the world gets to see how pathetic
> you and your little band of Nazi-onal Alliance brownshirts are, and the
> extent to which you will bend the truth to justify your hate.

Don't tell the ADL that. They claim we're "the most dangerous" people in
America.


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Sara Salzman wrote:

> Just keep spamming with this --  please.  A few more times, and you'll
> probabaly piss off enough people to complain to your ISP...

I doubt that. You Nizkooks have been spamming the net with your holocaust propaganda
for years and nobody cares.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:30 EDT 1999
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <380E951A.35F2A23@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> I believe everyone should have access to an ISP. I also believe that an
> ISP has a right to know what their members are doing.
>
> Therefore, I am forwarding each of these spam posts to
> abuse@stargate.net.  I suggest anyone else who is tired of reading this
> slander do the same.
>
> Before "ipm" gets his little knickers in a twist, I am not asking his ISP
> to boot him off, merely to remind him how to be an adult.

What happened, you wake up in a charitable mood?

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:30 EDT 1999
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Orac wrote:

> In article <380E95DD.405D3EF9@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
>
> > > Tell us Herr IPM, do you broadcast your violence provoking,
> > > hateful screeds over your ham station KO4FE?
> >
> > I have never broadcast any hateful screeds anywhere.
>
> Uh-huh. Riiiiggghht. OK, then, do you broadcast ANYTHING over your ham
> station K04FE? Yes or no?

No.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:31 EDT 1999
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Orac wrote:

> In article <380EFD30.4C791525@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Dragonblaze wrote:
> >
> > > In article <380E9605.710731C3@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > > > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> > > > Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)
> > > > The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith
> and former
> > >
> > > That's it, idiot. You've spammed this ng once too often.
> >
> > I'm really shaking.
>
> That happens when you try to think, doesn't it? Your brain can't stand the
> strain.

Even I have to admit that one is funny. I'll give you a little Jewish star
too.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:31 EDT 1999
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John Morris wrote:

> In <380EF0A6.E1EBD210@usaor.net> in sci.skeptic, on Thu, 21 Oct 1999
> 06:53:26 -0400, William Scott aka Roger Hughes aka Ian McKinney
>  wrote:
> >No, the big difference between McVay and myself is that I don't care about
> >anyone's personal business, where they live or even what handle they use. I don't
> >maintain archives of people's postings either. I argue facts and ideas, not
> >personalities.
>
> Is that a fact?  Well, William (Ian/Roger), you made reference the
> "cyclical nature of Jewish power."  When asked to post some evidence
> of these cycles--such as the last few peaks and some evidence that
> Jews ever had the the power you impute to them, you started multiple
> reposting the same message and never did the facts and ideas.
>
> Do so now.

Writing up an article like that takes time. For one thing I'm still reading a book I
plan to use as reference material: "Esau's Tears - Modern Anti-Semitism and the Rise
of the Jews." by Albert Lindermann. Actually, a book written by another Jew, "The
Fatal Embrace" by Benjamin Ginsberg, was what really got me thinking about this. I
want to review that one again before I start putting anything down. You'll just have
to wait.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:31 EDT 1999
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Orac wrote:

> In article , John.Morris@UAlberta.CA
> wrote:
>
> > In <380EF0A6.E1EBD210@usaor.net> in sci.skeptic, on Thu, 21 Oct 1999
> > 06:53:26 -0400, William Scott aka Roger Hughes aka Ian McKinney
> >  wrote:
> >
> > >Avital Pilpel wrote:
> >
> > >> On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
> >
> > >> > You're even too
> > >> > dense to realize that you've been totally exposed as a gutless
> coward and a
> > >> > hypocrite.
> >
> > >> The man who hides behind a fake screen-name calls other "cowards".
> >
> > >> What a hypocrite.
> >
> > >No, the big difference between McVay and myself is that I don't care about
> > >anyone's personal business, where they live or even what handle they
> use. I don't
> > >maintain archives of people's postings either. I argue facts and ideas, not
> > >personalities.
> >
> > Is that a fact?  Well, William (Ian/Roger), you made reference the
> > "cyclical nature of Jewish power."  When asked to post some evidence
> > of these cycles--such as the last few peaks and some evidence that
> > Jews ever had the the power you impute to them, you started multiple
> > reposting the same message and never did the facts and ideas.
> >
> > Do so now.
>
> Yes, and he could start by telling us where we are now in the cycle of
> "Jewish power" relative to such a peak or valley. Are we in an upswing or
> downswing? And he could produce the evidence that led him to this
> conclusion.
>
> Come on "Ian," you wanted to argue "facts and ideas." Let's see your facts.

The fact that something like 57% of Clinton's appointments and both Supreme Court
slots went to Jews and Jewish organizations are raking in billions of dollars with
their holocaust deals should tell anyone that the Jews are riding pretty high at
the moment. But like I told the other dimwit, I'm not finished with my research,
so you'll have to wait a little while.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:32 EDT 1999
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Orac wrote:

> In article <380EF8DC.B51F7AF7@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > I don't archive because I don't have any desire instigate harrassment or be
> > responsible for what some idiot might do. As far as I'm concerned, what people
> > post is their business. If I really want to know what they said, I'll go look
> > myself. Also I respect the privacy of others. That's an American
> tradition that
> > you obviously don't respect.
>
> There is no right to privacy when you post to a public forum. By doing so,
> you've made your words part of a public record accessible to any machine
> in the world that is connected to the Internet. Anyone, friend or foe, can
> access and archive those words. There is nothing wrong with doing so
> because you voluntarily posted those words publicly. If you're
> uncomfortable with the fact that things you've posted to Usenet can come
> back and bite you years later, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet. Period.

I'm not concerned about that.



> > My use of a alias has nothing to do with protecting me, believe me.
>
> Yeah, right. You're probably hiding from ZOG, right?

Hardly.



> >Its just a
> > pen name that I've used for years now and I see no reason to stop. You're not
> > going to make me stop either!
>
> I don't give a rodent's posterior if you stop. We're merely pointing out
> the idiocy of your demanding real addresses from behind the safety of an
> alias.

Funny, you don't care about McVay's idiocy of constantly trying to get personal info
on people while keeping his own a secret.


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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:32 EDT 1999
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John Morris wrote:

> In <380EFA32.766E6420@usaor.net> in sci.skeptic, on Thu, 21 Oct 1999
> 07:34:10 -0400, William Scott aka Ian McKinney aka Roger Hughes
>  wrote:
>
> >"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >> Look
> >> around. No one here at sci.skeptic defends you.
>
> >That doesn't bother me. I never worry about fashion in either clothing or
> >opinions. I "calls 'em as I sees 'em." Also I don't need a bunch people and
> >organizations protecting me like the great Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken).
>
> My but ain't you the big old iconoclast.
>
> Now, you said that Jewish power runs in cycles.  Please post evidence
> of those cycles and evidence that Jews have ever had the power that
> you impute to them.
>
> While one supposes that it is endlessly fascinating to you to tell us
> how brave you are and how sartorially independent-minded you are, it
> really doesn't fill the total absence of evidence for your claims.

Who are you fooling? I posted thirty supporting quotes on Jewish involvement in
Communism and you conveniently ignored them. You'll get my paper on Jewish power
cycles when I'm done with it.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:33 EDT 1999
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Orac wrote:

> In article <7ulfvf$24eu$1@hub.org>, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth
> McVay OBC) wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > Orac  wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >And what, pray tell, is wrong with archiving people's postings? Usenet is
> > >a PUBLIC forum. It's not private e-mail. If you don't want your posts to
> > >be archived by people with whom you disagree, then you shouldn't be
> > >posting to Usenet. You should restrict yourself to your moderated denier
> > >lists, where you and your white power ranger buddies can deny and make up
> > >facts to your heart's content without any fear that your misinformation
> > >and lies will be debunked, because the moderators will protect you from
> > >anyone who disagrees.
> >
> > Mr. Scott's problem, which he outlines clearly via his protests, is
> > that he does not like being accountable for the lies he has presented
> > here. Archiving his early blather holds him accountable, and he is
> > very uncomfortable in that position.
>
> Oh well, I guess he'll just have to get used to it.
>
> > It's a common affliction among the white sheet and "white's are
> > stoopid, give us money" set, as attested by "The Elder Ronald Shoedel
> > III" and his empty threats of lawsuits because his words were archived
> > on Nizkor... embarrassing, eh, to have your own words used to judge
> > you?
>
> But sooooo appropriate and satisfying to see them hoisted by their own petard.
>
> > See, for instance, the latest addition to Mr. Scott's sorry record,
> > which may be found in
> > http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william/1999 - once you
> > read it, you can see why he's so embarrassed.
>
> Oh, he has lots of other reasons to be embarrassed, but that's a nice summary.

Yeah, right, here's your silly propaganda piece torn to pieces:

The Jewish Chronicle - December 12, 1919

JEWS AND BOLSHEVISM

The "Times" Campaign

THE "JEW-BOLSHEVIST" LIE

By ISRAEL COHEN

The systematic attempts that are now being made to identify the Jews in
Russia with the Bolshevists, to represent Bolshevism as a Jewish movement,
and thus to hold up the entire Jewish people to obloquy and attack, are
based solely upon the fact that a certain number of prominent Bolshevist
Commissaries are of Jewish birth. Upon this fact, which has never been
denied, have been built up all sorts of fantastic accusations, such as
that the Jews wish to wreak revenge upon Russia for the persecutions under
Tsardom, and that they aim at sweeping away Christian civilisation so as
to enthrone Judaism as the dominant faith throughout the world. How
utterly absurd these calumnies are, and how grotesquely exaggerated are
most of the stories of Jewish participation in Bolshevism can be proved by
an unimpassioned examination of the ascertainable facts and figures.

[IPM: Its hardly absurd, since in 1999 we have a long and extensive record of
disproportionate Jewish involvement in Communist activities including, but not
limited to political agitation, organizational leadership, Soviet espionage, and
armed revolutionary activity. The first three are confirmed by Jewish
psychohistorian, Stanley Roth writing in the “The Journal of Psychohistory”, Fall
1978, who provides a useful summary of Jewish involvement with Communism
throughout the western World in "Group Fantasies and Jewish Radicalism". He
writes: "In the United States, perhaps some 50% of the Communist Party was of
Jewish background during the 1930s; the radical American Student Union was heavily
Jewish and, just as importantly, the Soviet espionage apparatus in this country
... was pretty largely of Jewish background." He continues: “In Western Europe
Jews continued to take an active radical role. In France, during the 1968
upheavals, students of Jewish background dominated Trotskyite leadership cadres."
"Jews provided the critical mass for the student left and the counter culture in
the United States during the early and mid-1960s. Studies indicate that in its
initial phases, SDS leadership was about 67% Jewish." Rothman then goes on to show
how Jewish radicals even "ran the show" at mid-Western campuses. One (Gentile) SDS
Organizer at Madison, Wisconsin, commented: "I am struck by the lack of
Wisconsin-born people (in the left) and the massive preponderance of New York
Jews. The situation at the University of Minnesota is similar." In the faculties
too, the radical factions were "largely Jewish".

In another article in the (American Jewish Historical Quarterly, December 1976)
Arthur Liebman shows in "The Ties That Bind": "The Jewish Daily Forward (a Yiddish
socialist newspaper) to a large extent surpassed the rabbis and Orthodoxy as the
educator of the Jewish community in the United States ... The more astute and
sensitive Jewish Socialists in the pre-World War I years ... sought opportunities
to demonstrate that Judaism, as they defined and interpreted it, was quite
compatible if not supportive of Socialism. Socialism was presented to the Jewish
masses as a secular version of Judaism. Thus, during a strike, the Law of Moses
was cited in support of the strikers. The Socialist Party's Rand School was
lyricized by the Forward at its founding in 1906 as 'the socialist' yeshiva ...
where the rabbis and teachers of our movement were being prepared'..

As to armed revolutionary activity, Roth exposes the fact that the violent Weather
Underground was heavily Jewish: and he quotes from an interview with a Jewish
ex-Weatherman who recalls the motivations of himself and his peers in the 1960s:
"A lot of the Weatherman leadership was Jewish and had never been tough street
kids, and I really believe that a tremendous amount of what they were doing was
overcoming their own fears about their masculinity ... Most of them ... had been
intellectually aggressive, but all of a sudden they were trying to be tough street
kids ... I think there was a lot of self-hate going on."]

]


"JEWS" SAID TO BE BOLSHEVISTS

It is impossible to state the exact number or even proportion of
Bolshevist Commmissaries who are of Jewish origin, for the simple reason
that the Soviet Government has not carried out a religious or race census
of its civil servants. If such a census were carried out it would
doubtless show that pure Russians, Poles, and Letts predominate
considerably over the Jews. All the statements made that the latter form
the majority of the Commissaries are at best the sheerest conjecture.

[IPM: This is absolute nonsense. Any astute person can determine with a fair
degree of accuracy whether someone is a Jew. Its no different than today when just
about any political analyst knows, for example, that Bill Clinton has a tremendous
number of Jews in his administration. These people don’t wear yellow stars or a
sign on their back that says: “I’m a Jew”, but the information gets around anyway.
I mean some of the Jews in Russia even tried to mascarade by changing their
obviously Jewish name to something that sounded Russian. For example, Yakov
Sverdlov (Solomon)  who was both the Bolshevik party's executive secretary and -
as chairman of the Central Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government.
Grigori Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) who headed the Communist International (Comintern),
the central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Press commissar
Karl Radek  (Sobelsohn), and foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach). I
expect only a nincompoop would have been fooled into thinking these people were
real Russians.]


Not
one such statement has been substantiated by names or by unimpeachable
statistics. Prominent Commissaries are designated as Jews, and if no
denial is published, the label - and the libel - stick. Of the list of
twenty-eight "conspicuous Bolshevists" given in a recent issue of The
Times, by a correspondent who signed himself "Janus", as "either
full-blooded Jews or of Jewish extraction," at least ten were either
non-Jews, or anti-Bolshevists, or dead Bolshevists, and I have obtained
information that another two, Parvus and Bakowski, must also be
eliminated. For Parvus, although he was associated with a Bolshevist paper
in Stockholm, subventioned by the German Imperial Government for the
purpose of creating chaos in Russia, is not a Bolshevist himself, has not
been in Russia for the last few years, and is living quietly in
Switzerland.

{IPM: Ok , he’s was no longer a Bolshevik, but he was still a communist.]


As for Rakowski, I have received a letter from a British
military officer in Paris who spent a couple of year of the war in South
Russia and neighbouring territories, stating that Rakowski on several
occasions stood as Socialist candidate for Galatz; and it is notorious
that Jews, at any rate hitherto, cannot be admitted to the Rumanian
Parliament.

[IPM: Much of this cannot be verified, but even if true that’s only one out of
many]



But be the number of Bolshevist Commissaries of Jewish birth whatever it
may, that affords no proof that the majority of the Jews in Soviet Russia
approve of Bolshevist doctrines, still less that they condone Bolshevist
iniquities. If Trotzky or any of his comrades of Jewish origin were the
elected or recognised representatives of Russian Jewry, or even of a
single Jewish community or party, one might conclude that their policy and
principles were sanctioned by the Jews in general. But neither Trotzky nor
any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represents or has ever represented
the Jewish people, or is connected with the Jewish community or any Jewish
party, or has ever taken any active part in Jewish public life. Nor does
Trotzky or any other Bolshevist of Jewish blood represent specifically
Jewish ideals, advocate specifically Jewish aspirations, or share
specifically Jewish sympathies. On the contrary, these men are, as a
matter of fact, divorced from the Jewish community, completely estranged
>from Jewish teachings and traditions, and have shown themselves in many
things actually hostile to Jews. When Trotzky first became prominent as a
Bolshevist leader he was appealed to by a deputation of the Council of the
Petrograd Jewish Community to sever his connection with the movement, as
they feared that it would lead to the shedding of innocent Jewish blood;
but he remained adamant to their entreaties, denying that he was a Jew and
refusing to recognise Jews as such. And when he was appealed to later to
save a Jewish community from a pogrom, he replied that he recognised no
difference of religion or nationality. But although Trotzky is one of the
most prominent Bolshevists, he was not the creator of the system. The
doctrine was hatched in the pure Slavic brain of Lenin, and Trotzky is a
comparatively recent disciple.

[IPM: We now know based on information from the recently opened Soviet archives
that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish. Hardly a “pure Slavic brain.”]


Even The Times (in its issue of December
5th last) states: "Trotzky, the vulgar Thersites of Brest-Litovsk, was a
late arrival, who turned Bolshevist only because the political quarantine
to which he had been subjected by the British authorities at Halifax
prevented him from sailing in time to assume the leadership of the
Menshevists after the revolution." So, the British authorities are
apparently responsible for Trotzky having turned Bolshevist ! How
repugnant Lenin's doctrine is to the Jewish mind is proved by the fact
that among the host of well-known Jewish writers in Russia not a single
one was forthcoming to propagate its virtues, and the Commissary for
Education, whose particular function is to distil and disseminate the
principles of the communist creed, is a pure Russian - Lunacharsky.

[IPM: Notice the sleight of hand used in this article. The author concentrates on
Bolsheviks only, as if the Mensheviks were something other than revolutionary
Marxists.]




SOME ANTI-BOLSHEVIST FACTS

Such statistics as are available show that only a small percentage of the
Jews are followers of Lenin. In the autumn of 1917 the Bolshevists
published a statistical analysis of the constituents of the Soviets,
showing that the Bolshevists were more largely composed of pure Russian
elements than the Menshevists, who are anti-Bolshevists.

[IPM: Anti-Bolshevik, but still Marxists]


In December,
1918, the Jews formed only 2.6 per cent of the 121,071 organised
Bolshevists in Petrograd. On the other hand, in the Jewish Pale of
Settlement, there were 18,000 organised Menshevists, but there were no
organised Bolshevists worth speaking of. Moreover, whenever there has been
any election during the last two years in the Jewish communities in
Russia, there have been all sorts of parties, but never a Bolshevist
party.

[IPM: Still Menshevik = Marxist]


 In February, 1918, there were elections in thirty-two large
communities, and of the 1,034 representatives belonging to ten different
parties, there were 438 Zionists, 139 Orthodox, and 124 Bundists, but not
a single Bolshevist.

[IPM: Curiously, the author leaves out one important detail about the “Bundists”
as indicated by the following stateemnt:  “Perhaps these reforms are the cause of
the present tranquillity, because the revolutionary leaders nearly all belong to
the Jewish race and the most effective revolutionary agency is the JEWISH BUND.”
(From a speech given to the National Geographic Society, Washington, DC, on
December 14, 1906, by William Elroy Curtis and published in National Geographic
Magazine for May, 1907 (pp. 313-314)). It is apparent here, and verified through
other sources also, that the Jewish Bund was just another a Marxist/Communist
organization.

As to the Zionists mentioned, they are nothing more than Jewish nationalists.
Hardly a group loyal or patriotic to Russia.]


 Again, there was a conference of Jewish communities
in Moscow at the beginning of July, 1918, and of the 133 delegates
representing thirty-nine communities, there were fifty-three Zionists,
twenty Orthodox, and fifteen Bundists, but not a single Bolshevist. The
reason for the unpopularity of Bolshevism among the Jews is due not only
to its politics, but also to its predatory economics. For the
establishment of the communist regime was aimed essentially at the
propertied classes, the bourgeoisie; it struck principally at the
existence of the merchants, the manufacturers, and the members of the
liberal professions, who were most largely recruited from the Jewish
community. How often were we told before the war that the Jews in Russia
were only pedlars, middlemen, and usurers ? How often were we told during
the war that the Jews were the profiteers ? Is it then likely that they
would favour a system that would blight their economic existence ? Is it
they who would set up a dictatorship of the proletariat ?

So far from the Jews having thrown in their lot with Lenin, they are among
his most determined opponents. As the Council of the Jewish Community of
Archangel pointed out in December, 1918, in a memorandum to the
Provisional Government of North Russia, "if there are Jews who are leaders
of the Bolshevists, there are similarly Jews in the forefront ranks of the
fight against Bolshevism." The leader of the Russian Menshevists is a
Jewish Socialist, Paul Axelrod; and Dan and Martoff, sometimes wrongly
dubbed Bolshevists, are also Menshevists. Further, the Jewish middle and
upper classes belong mainly to the Liberal party of the Cadets, whose
leader, the eminent Jewish lawyer, M. Vinaver, was compelled to flee for
his life. Another acknowledged and esteemed leader of Russian Jewry, Baron
de Gunzburg, was also forced to flee abroad, and the well-known advocate,
Bramson, has tasted bitterly of Soviet oppression. But, what is more
significant still, the Commissary Uritzky was killed by the Jew
Kannegiesser, and the only attempt upon the life of Lenin was made by a
Jewish girl, Dora Kaplan.

[IPM: It is never the case that ALL Jews agree with each other. And, there’s
nothing rare about Jews killing other Jews over political differences. For
example, we had Israeli Prime Minister Rabin assassinated by a conservative Jew in
Israel two years ago. Even in my personal experience with Jews, I’ve met
right-wing Zionist Jews who absolutely hated leftist Jews.]



THE JEWISH FATE

But if there is anything that should demonstrate how groundless and
grotesque is the lie that Bolshevism is a Jewish movement, it is the
record of the persecution of the Jewish communities by the Soviet
Commissaries and of the pogroms by the Bolshevist soldiery and mob. Local
Commissaries have carried on a bitter and relentless campaign against the
organised religious communities.

[IPM: A campaign aimed mostly at Christians.]


In many towns, such as Saratoff and
Kursk, the Jewish communal organisation has been suppressed, and communal
buildings (schools, libraries, etc.) have been closed or requisitioned.
The Hebrew language has been stigmatised as "counter-revolutionary," and
Hebrew newspapers have been proscribed. A decision of the Commissariat of
Education, passed on July 11, 1919, states that "the language Ibrith does
not form the vernacular of the Jewish masses, for which reason this
language cannot be regarded as a language of a national minority, and
hence must be subjected to the same regulations as every foreign tongue
which does not represent a vernacular in the regions of Soviet Russia."
The Commissariat of Education has, therefore forbidden the teaching of
Hebrew in schools of the "first category" and restricted it in schools of
the "second category." The Soviet Commissaries display especial hostility
against the Zionist movement, which is denounced as
"counter-revolutionary" and as "an instrument of Entente Imperialism."

[IPM: I attribute this mostly one set of Jews trying to eliminate their Jewish
competition.]


Zionist societies have been dissolved in several cities (Petrograd, Kieff,
etc.), Zionist meetings are forbidden and Zionist funds have been
confiscated. According to the most recent information, the house of a
prominent Zionist in Petrograd, M. Tchirikover, was searched by the
Bolshevists, who seized 30,000 roubles belonging to the Zionist Committee,
the Zionist Chronica is shut down, and M. Gepstein, a Petrograd member of
the Central Committee of Russian Zionists, and M. Stemadski, an active
Moscow Zionist, are interned.

[IPM: What all this actually shows is just how much subversive activity Jews were
really involved in. If we take away the Zionists and Marxists there’s not many
Jews left.]




Finally, there are the massacres of Jews by Bolshevists that have taken
place on various occasions and in different towns during the last eighteen
months. The Red Army carried out regular pogroms in the summer of 1918 at
Novgorod-Seversk (where sixty-five Jews were killed and 120 wounded by the
Sumski Regiment), Seredina, Orscha and Gluchow. In all these places the
synagogues were desecrated and defiled; at Novgorod-Seversk the Rabbi was
actually hanged in the synagogue; and at Gorodok (Vitebsk) and other
places the synagogues were turned into stables for soldiers' horses. In
March of this year there were further pogroms in Soviet Russia, e.g., at
Borissov (Minsk), Homel, Wassilewitschi (ten Jews killed), and Golynki
(Mohilev, fourteen Jews killed).

[IPM: Even if true, these numbers are small potatoes compared to the massacres of
gentiles that went on for years. Besides, the writer gives us no background
information on these Jews. So we can only assume and guess the actual reasons for
these killings.]



The anti-Semitism of the Red Army is
notorious when detachments were sent to suppress pogroms organised by
armed peasants, they expressed resentment at being "misused" for this
purpose, and in several cases actually participated in the outrages.

[IPM: While its true that anti-Semitism was strong in Russia, the fact remains
that many conspicuous Jews were among the various Marxist factions. The author
admits that the Mensheviks were predominantly led by Jews and mentions many other
leaders as Jews. If anti-Semitism had been such a force within the Russian
Marxists so many Jews wouldn’t have been in positions of responsibility. Most
anti-Jewish Russians were allied with Col. Kolchak’s counterrevolutionary White
army, which fought the Bolsheviks for years before being finally defeated.]




It is
true that some of the ringleaders were shot by the authorities, but this
does not minimise the loss sustained by the Jews or the gravity of the
peril to which they were exposed on the part of the troops indoctrinated
with Bolshevism. If only those bloodstained guardians of the Communist
Paradise knew that their Jewish victims were represented in Western Europe
as its pillars and paladins what sardonic laughter would be theirs ! But,
despite the sacrifices made by Jewish communities to Bolshevist fury, they
had to pay a fresh toll to anti-Bolshevist vengeance. For Denikin's
Volunteer Army has recently perpetrated pogroms at Eksterinoslav,
Mikhailovka, Fastov, Krementchug and Kieff, which were marked by unbridled
butchery, bestiality, and wholesale plunder. Thus have the Jews in Russia
become the helpless victims of the wickedness of a baseless lie.


This article is little more than propaganda and consists mostly of heresay and
rumor. No verifiable or official sources. Few sources named at all. Hardly a
refutation of anything.




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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> > > In article <380E951A.35F2A23@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe everyone should have access to an ISP. I also believe that an
> > > ISP has a right to know what their members are doing.
> > >
> > > Therefore, I am forwarding each of these spam posts to
> > > abuse@stargate.net.  I suggest anyone else who is tired of reading this
> > > slander do the same.
> > >
> > > Before "ipm" gets his little knickers in a twist, I am not asking his ISP
> > > to boot him off, merely to remind him how to be an adult.
> >
> > What happened, you wake up in a charitable mood?
> >
> > --
> > For White Unity,
> > ipm
> >
> > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> > National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
>
> I suspect he wants you to continue weaving your rope of hate
> and lies with which you will hang yourself and your fellow
> Nazi thugs.

Well, I've been on the Net for almost four years and nothing's happened yet.


> You can't do that if you're kicked off. But you do need to
> be reminded that spamming is NOT allowed. I understand how a
> person who justifies genocide like you may not see spamming
> as wrong. But if you want to continue posting here, you
> better cut it out.

Oh, don't worry about what I do, Slotnick.

Where's my Hannakka card? And I know you Jews are cheap, but I want some money in
it. $50 will do fine. I'll give it to the National Alliance.

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Record: Rape of White woman was initiation

Affidavit says six men kept a handgun during attack on CU student

By Matt Sebastian
Boulder Daily Camera Staff Writer
October 20, 1999
http://www.insidedenver.com/news/1020rape.shtml

One of the assailants in the Aug. 29 rape of a University of Colorado
student told the victim her abduction was a gang initiation, according
to
court records unsealed Tuesday.

The 25-page arrest warrant affidavit also shows that the six men had a
handgun during the attack and, at one point, held it to the victim's
head.

Five members of the Asian Crips gang have been charged with the
kidnapping
and sexual assault and are being held in Boulder.

Kao Vang, 18, and his cousin Chue Vang, 16, are scheduled to stand
trial
Feb. 23.

Sonny Lee, 23; Johnny Lee, 17; and Steve Yang, 19, were extradited this

month from Green Bay, Wis., and have a preliminary hearing set for Nov.
8.

The sixth suspect, Kather Yang, Steve Yang's 20-year-old brother,
committed suicide in front of Green Bay police Sept. 16.

Testimony at a hearing last month revealed the abduction may have been
prompted by Kather Yang's admission he had never slept with a white
woman.

According to the arrest affidavit, the victim, who is Caucasian, told
Boulder police one of her assailants called the rape "an initiation for

the other males."

Prosecutors, based on those allegations, are weighing hate crime
charges
against the suspects. "It's under discussion," Chief Deputy District
Attorney Mary Keenan said last week.

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke issued a statement Tuesday
decrying
the rape as a "detestable act of racial hatred." He called on
prosecutors
to send a message that hate crimes against whites "will not be
tolerated."

Keenan said she has received similar messages from white supremacists
in
Coeur D'Alene, Idaho.

Much of the information in the affidavit, which detectives initially
withheld to preserve their investigation, was revealed at the Vangs'
Sept.
29 preliminary hearing.

The six men are accused of pulling the 20-year-old CU student into a
minivan as she was walking alone near 23rd Street and Canyon Boulevard
about 2:45 a.m. Aug. 29.

They drove the woman to Cottonwood Picnic Area in Lefthand Canyon
where,
at one point, she escaped her assailants and was recaptured.

About two hours later, they dropped her off at a Lefthand Canyon Drive
pullout, which police estimate was about three miles up the canyon.

Chue Vang, who admitted to police he forced oral sex on the victim and
raped her, told detectives he saw an unloaded revolver in the van. The
bullets were kept in a "dirty sock."

"He said that this gun had been passed around by all in the van on the
way
up the canyon," Detective Jane Harmer wrote in the affidavit.

Chue Vang told police he and Steve Yang took the victim out of the van
when they were finished."

"Chue advised me that he observed the gun in Steve's hand," Harmer
wrote.
"He saw Steve point the gun at the victim from behind and tell the
victim
to run. He denied that this gun was pressed against her head."

But the victim, police testified last month, told investigators she
felt
something pressed against the back of her head - something she believed

was a gun.

During the assault, according to the affidavit, the assailants told the

victim they were CU students and "kept talking about needing to get to
the
airport."

The Yangs and Lees, who aren't related, fled to Green Bay following the

rape.

The arrest warrant affidavit also details the Boulder police
investigation
and how it finally homed in on the six suspects after considering a
wide
number of individuals related to the Asian Crips and its Denver-area
leader, Sonny Lee.

One of Steve Yang's friends informed police that Yang told his
girlfriend
he, along with the Lees and Kather Yang, "did the rape," according to
the
affidavit.

Eventually, police were led to the Vangs.

Kao Vang, according to the affidavit, told detectives he and his cousin

were picked up by the Yangs and Lees the night of Aug. 28.

Steve Yang grabbed the victim, Kao Vang told police. He also said
several
of the suspects raped her. Kao Vang only admitted to forcing the woman
to
perform oral sex.

Boulder District Judge Daniel C. Hale, at Keenan's request, on Sept. 2
sealed all court records connected to the case for 45 days.

That period expired Sunday, but, due to a misunderstanding, the Boulder

County Sheriff's Department wouldn't release arrest records until
Tuesday
afternoon.

About 30 minutes after sheriff's officials released the arrest warrant
affidavits, Hale ordered the documents resealed "until further order of

the court."

Although Keenan did not request an expansion of the seal, Hale wrote
that
"this extension is necessary because of the pervasive publicity
regarding
this matter."

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"Andrew A. Snotlick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:

> BTW, you really should try to learn something about Jews and
> their beliefs if you're going to pose as an authority on
> "Joodaism." Claiming that rabbis perform circumcisions and
> that Hanukkah occurs in October shows you up as an ignorant
> blowhard as well as a hate mongering, Nazi bastard.
>
> -- Andrew Snotlick
> http://nasw.org/users/ASkolnick

I don't really care about your insignificant cutural habits. If the only unusual thing
Jews did was celebrate different holidays, I wouldn't care. The problem is your
politics and the attitudes you promote.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:34 EDT 1999
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> He's running into some problems though, because he is finding that no matter
> how many times he tries to use Elmer's glue to affix these things to the
> picture on his screen, he can't seem to change it. He'll be spending the
> next month 'researching' the effectiveness of Scotch tape.

I dion't what you two are so happy about. When I post ant of my analysises, all
you clowns can do is throw insults.  I ripped that worthless Cohen propaganda
article to pieces and posted it. Mysteriously, nobody's bragging about that
article anymore.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:34 EDT 1999
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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <380F2860.D4A94C37@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > The fact that something like 57% of Clinton's appointments and
> > both Supreme Court
>
> Cite your sources and tally the numbers up, Bubba. You shouldn't have
> opened your mouth more unproven statements, now you have to do even
> more work.

Open your eyes moron.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:35 EDT 1999
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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <380F279A.72066ED5@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Writing up an article like that takes time. For one thing I'm
> > still reading a book I
> > plan to use as reference material: "Esau's Tears - Modern
> > Anti-Semitism and the Rise
> > of the Jews." by Albert Lindermann. Actually, a book written by
> > another Jew, "The
> > Fatal Embrace" by Benjamin Ginsberg, was what really got me
> > thinking about this. I
> > want to review that one again before I start putting anything
> > down. You'll just have
> > to wait.
>
> Then stop posting your rants, ravings, lies and forgeries while you
> write up this magnum dopus.
>
> And where are those lawsuits you have been threatening?
>
> Bear in mind that any material you quote needs to be cited. This means
> full title of the book, author, publisher and page number.

Hey loser, you'll get it, don't worry.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:35 EDT 1999
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just_truth@my-deja.com wrote:

>
> Well ipm, I must speak up for the honorable Kenneth McVay OBC. I read a
> lot of facts and fiction on World War II. I have found the site which is
> ran by Mr. McVay OBC to be very informative and factual.

Its also a Jewush propaganda site.




> I have also
> been to the national alliance site which I find to be a bunch of
> nonsense that can not be supported.

Give examples.




> I am for the saving of the so called
> "white race" (Indo-European) but I fail to see where it is being erased
> from the face of the earth. Yes, about maybe 5% are mixing with other
> races which if done because of a loving attraction, I believe to be in
> the spirit of evolution. Many intelligent people are formed from such
> "racial mixing" as you call it.

Many more would be formed without it.




> The problem with most people today is
> that they fail to see that we are all part of but one race. That is the
> human race.

Nonsense, go tell the Chinese that you're an Asian.



> Yes there are differences in the different people that make
> up the human race. I hate to do this but for no better way to explain it
> I shall use an example with cattle. There are many breeds of cattle.
> Angus for example are short and stocky with the ability to kick with the
> front legs. However, mixing the Black Angus breed with White Face cattle
> produces better beef. Both breeds are excellent stock without the mixing
> however.

You're talking about hybrid vigor. The problem is that the advantages
disappear after the first crossing of the original pure breds.If what you're
saying made any sense, the animal breeders would go out of business and all
farmers would immediately cross breed all their acttle to get these great
benefits that you describe.



> Thus your national alliance thought on a better world by being
> white is not of factual evidence.

Your premise is false, therefore your conclusion is no good.




>  I do support the American belief that
> each state should have its own state rights. However, you are far from
> wrong when you accuse a man such as Mr. McVay of being a chicken. It is
> my understanding he was a defender of his country and was a member of
> the US Marines.

Well, if he's such a tough guy then he shouldn't hesitate to publish his
address. Something that he constantly demnds of other people.



> I may be wrong on this, however if Mr. McVay was in
> any service I would say he is much better than you.

There's many people in jail who are vets. Being a vet is no big deal. I was
in the service.

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Orac wrote:

> In article <380F294E.6639E55B@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > I'm not concerned about that.
>
> Then why do you keep whining that your posts are being archived, if you're
> "not concerned about that"?

I'm not. I just can fathom why someone would do it unless they had some nefarious
purpose.



> > Funny, you don't care about McVay's idiocy of constantly trying to get
> personal info
> > on people while keeping his own a secret.
>
> Only a fool gives out his real address and phone number on Usenet, which
> is what you've been asking him to do. Also, you have yet to produce an
> example of McVey posting such information about anyone here.

He's always posting what he thinks is my personal info. He's a coward who won't
practice what he preaches. I have absolutely no respect for the bum.

Besides, what the hell kind of man is pumping gas at age 50? A damn stone loser,
that's what kind.

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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 22 18:23:36 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. SNOT-LICKER" wrote:

> His name is William P. Scott, and Mr. Scott longs for the
> day when he can get a job "pumping gas" into "showers" to
> kill all the Jews of the world.

ROTFLOL! Snotlick, you do have a sense of humor. I'll give you that. Here's another
little Jewish star.

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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew A. Snotlick" wrote:
> >
> > > ipm wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, you really should try to learn something about Jews and
> > > their beliefs if you're going to pose as an authority on
> > > "Joodaism." Claiming that rabbis perform circumcisions and
> > > that Hanukkah occurs in October shows you up as an ignorant
> > > blowhard as well as a hate mongering, Nazi bastard.
> > >
> > > -- Andrew Snotlick
> > > http://nasw.org/users/ASkolnick
> >
> > I don't really care about your insignificant cutural habits. If the only unusual thing
> > Jews did was celebrate different holidays, I wouldn't care. The problem is your
> > politics and the attitudes you promote.
>
>
> Yeah, politics and attitudes like democracy, scholarship,
> humanism, ethics, philanthrophy, education, human rights,
> justice, equality under the law

No, I mean Marxism, Third-World immigration flood, homosexuality, degenerate art,
racemixing, . . . I could keep going if I had the time.



> > Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
> > National Alliance http://www.natvan.com
>
> Considered by many to be one of the most dangerous terrorist
> groups in the United States, whose members and/or followers
> have been convicted of bombings, bank robberies, and mass
> murder.

You're living in a paranoid Jewish fantasy world. You see a Nazi behind every corner. Its
probably due to unconscious fear of impending punishment for all the trouble that your
people have caused.

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From ipm@usaor.net Wed Oct 27 00:12:18 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <7v000t$46j$1@nnrp03.primenet.com>,
> some poorly educated white power ranger said:
>
> >In article ,
> >Sara Salzman  posted, then thought about:
> >
> >>You know, asshole, I've been here in Usenet for more than 5 years.
> >
> >New at this then, aint you?
>
> As you are, eh? Us old timers recognize the signs.
>
> >BTW, catamont, if you are going to question the identity of people who
> >post as ipm or wotan - expect to be exposed as a hypocrate.
>
> Wow! Is that like an apple crate, only for hypodermic needles?

Ken McVay OBC (One Big Chicken)

The great shabbaz goy, step-n-fetchit for B’nai B’rith and former minimum wage
gas jockey, Kenny McVay OBC, the person who’s always archiving whatever people
say on the usenet and constantly trying to ferret out personal information on
people who’s opinions he doesn’t like, unbelievably hides behind a lousy mail
drop! Can you believe it? After being asked numerous times, he pathetically
refuses to publish his actual address or phone number. Not only that, but the
great holocaust defender hides from face-to-face meetings to discuss the
holocaust with Ernst Zundel – an avowed pacifist! He is now exposed as a
thorough hypocrite and gutless coward.

Oh, BTW, in case you’re wondering, the OBC he puts at the end of his name
stands for “One Big Chicken.”

Come on, Kenny boy, we’re waiting for your address.

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <7v0h5n$9hf$1@nnrp03.primenet.com>, wotan@deathpenguin.com
> (Wotan) wrote:
>
> >In article <7v01b6$j7o$2@hub.org>,
> >Kenneth McVay OBC  posted, then thought about:
> >
> >
> >>>New at this then, aint you?
> >>
> >>As you are, eh? Us old timers recognize the signs.
> >
> >[..]
> >>
> >>>BTW, catamont, if you are going to question the identity of people who
> >>>post as ipm or wotan - expect to be exposed as a hypocrate.
> >
> >>Wow! Is that like an apple crate, only for hypodermic needles?
> >
> >Wow, there's one of the signs of the eternal newbie now.  A spelling lame.
> >
> >
> >You skeptics seem to be running on low wattage bulbs.
>
> Now calling Ken McVay a newbie... THAT'S FUNNY!
>

I agre. He's a veteran scumbucket.

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From ipm@usaor.net Wed Oct 27 00:12:19 EDT 1999
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> Wotan  wrote in message
> news:7v2pdf$mlh$1@nnrp03.primenet.com...
> > In article <7v1u82$24p$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>,
> > Tim Stevens  posted, then thought about:
>
> > What false accusation?  Or are you saying that catamont's ISP made her
> > prove she really is named Sara before allowing her to put Sara into her
> > From line?
>
> The point is that her true name is there *somewhere* in the line. whether
> that be in the @ portion of the line or in the name attached to that.
> By changing names and by not posting one's real name somewhere in there, as
> she always has, she is taking personal responsibility and accountability for
> her posts, especially over a long period of time. If you have indeed dealt
> with Herr Scott as you said you have, you must certainly know that
> responsibility and accountability for his racism and his attempts to evade
> other people's checking to see what he has said in the past is the last
> thing that one can say about him. Do you not agree?

What attempts to evade? Why would I engage in such useless activity, since
anyone can use DejaNews to see what the infamous "ipm" has posted. Of course, I
don't have a photographic memory so I haven't memorized each and every idea,
sentence, and word I've posted in four years. Also, some of my opinions have
changed over that time, so that has to be considered. The question is why does
McVay archive postings at Nizkor when everything is avaliable a DejaNews
anytime? Has McVay's activities slowed me down at all? Hardly, because even even
if I was destitute and living in a tent somewhere, I'd still have at least a
cheap laptop and a phoneline. I'd still be fighting subversion. That's the
difference between myself and some other dedicated racialists as compared to
phonies like Milton Kleim and Irene Zundel. In the case of Kleim, he had an ego
the size of the Titanic and racialism was just the latest way he could have his
name lights. When all the glory he thought he deserved wasn't coming his way, he
bailed and found something new to play with. Irene Zundel was obviously a
groupie. I mean what kind of young woman marries a 65 year-old man? From what
I've heard their relationship was like that of a father and daughter. Either
way, people like this have some ulterior motives motives for their involvement
in racialism. I am motivated by my desire to fight subversion of my race. That's
why I will stay in here using all the strength I have.

Above all, even if I someday became convinced that I was all wrong and quit
racialism, the last thing I would do is turn traitor against all the people I
knew and trusted in the movement as the two previously mentioned person have
done. That kind of activity speaks of a severe lack of character and
untrustworthiness. Of course, the ADL and Nizkor prey on these weak-minded types
by stroking them, telling them they're "experts" and encouraging them to spill
their guts on all their former comrades. These people have about as much
credibility as a propaganda film of a broken and brainwashed POW reading a
treasonous script written by his country's enemies.




> > I didn't.  I commented on someone posting as "catamont" criticizing
> > someone else for posting as "ipm".  The simple reality of the Internet, is
> > that you can call yourself whatever you want.  And others have no way of
> > verifying this without knowing you in The Real World(tm).
>
> The problem, of course, is that when one uses such anonymity to make threats
> as Herr Scott has made to others (not myself)on alt.revisionism,

Exactly what threats? IPM doesn't threaten anyone.


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From ipm@usaor.net Wed Oct 27 00:12:19 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Well, since you seem to think it's o.k. to demand that a
> poster provide his address and phone number, Herr Scott, may
> I post your P.O. address and/or home address?  It would help
> people send you Chanukah and Kwanza cards.

You supposedly have all that info already. What are you waiting for?

--
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> He has shifted identities at least three times over in alt.revisionism to
> hide his identity, and that *has* been documented (see for example the 'The
> Noble Death of a Hero' thread. He has posted as 'Ian McKinney' and 'Roger
> Hughes' in addition to 'ipm', when making his racist, anti-semitic and
> sexist remarks to everyone who finds his bigotry disagreeable and in making
> his veiled threats to Ken McVay.

I always use the same email address, dimwit. Also please tell me about these
so-called "veiled threats" you claim I made against McVay. I'll be waiting.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Wed Oct 27 00:12:20 EDT 1999
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm wrote in message <38159DC9.3C690B0B@usaor.net>...
>
> >Exactly what threats? IPM doesn't threaten anyone.
>
> Asking for the name of an address of an opponent in order to intimidate,
> especially when the person asking is associated with what the Department of
> Justice calls one of the most dangerous nativist groups *isn't* a threat?

Oh, of course you see nothing wrong with McVay posting other people's person
info.



> Your National Alliance has been linked to racial violence, Ken McVay has
> not.

What links? The National Alliance has committed no illegal acts. If it did
they'd be out of business. Quit repeating ADL scare propaganda.

Besides that, Jewish mass-murderer Baruch Goldstein was a founding member of the
Jewish Defense League (sic). Do you have anything to say about your JDL buddies?




> Any person with functioning neuron could not fail to see the
> non-so-veiled threat in that.

Please quote this so-called "threat". Asking for someone to quit being a
hypocrite and post their address is not a threat.



> You kept blathering about him having your
> address and you not having his and calling him a coward. Well, he gave you
> his mailing address, just as he has *your* mailing address, unless you are
> going to argue that 'PO BOX 307' is a street address. You wanted his
> 'physical' home address.

> *That* is a not-so-veiled threat, Mr. Scott.

No, its not a threat. Its merely a demand that a hypocrite quit being one.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> >
> > > Well, since you seem to think it's o.k. to demand that a
> > > poster provide his address and phone number, Herr Scott, may
> > > I post your P.O. address and/or home address?  It would help
> > > people send you Chanukah and Kwanza cards.
> >
> > You supposedly have all that info already. What are you waiting for?
> >
> > --ipm
>
> Your permission to post it. The words "may I" in the
> sentence above was a request for your permission.
>
> You don't seem to understand that it is a major violation of
> nettiquette rules to post someone else's address and/or
> phone number publicly -- or to demand someone else to post
> theirs.

Hahaha! Your good buddy Kenny McSilly OBC (One Big Chicken) has been
posting all kinds of personal info on "William Scott" for two years. What
do you say about that violation of nettiquette rules?

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm wrote in message <381603EB.4172EF0@usaor.net>...
> >Besides that, Jewish mass-murderer Baruch Goldstein was a founding member
> >of the Jewish Defense League (sic). Do you have anything to say about your
> JDL
> >buddies?
>
> The more extreme factions of the JDL such as Goldstein and the followers of
> the late Rabbi Kahane have been denounced by the the media in general and
> the American Jewish community as well for their violence and rightfully so.
> Trying to find more justification for killing Jews? Whadda surprise!
>
> Now, a question for you. Where, oh where is the National Alliance's
> denunciation of the Oklahoma City bombing? Or the murders committed by
> camp-followers incited by your hatred?

Dr. Pierce has denounced it on numerous occasions. He did it on CBS "60 Minutes"
a couple of years ago.



> >> Any person with functioning neuron could not fail to see the
> >> non-so-veiled threat in that.
> >
> >Please quote this so-called "threat". Asking for someone to quit being a
> >hypocrite and post their address is not a threat.
>
> But he *did* give you his mailing address, didn't he? He doesn't have your
> home address nor has he asked for it from you. You on the other hand, have
> asked him for his residential address, which given the demonstrated links of
> your hate-filled National Alliance to bombing and murder, no sane person
> would want to give out.
>
> He does have your mailing address, doesn't he? Or are you going to continue
> to impress us by how stupid you are by claiming that 'PO BOX 307' in Butler,
> PA is your residential address?

I never said it was my address. However, if I was who McSilly claims, then the
fact is that he posted this person's street at least once. How about that?


> >No, its not a threat. Its merely a demand that a hypocrite quit being one.
>
> By posting his home address so that people like you who enjoy the thought of
> 'ridding' America of 'the "traitors" to the white race so openly hated by
> Pierce and his neo-Nazi followers' might try to make this a reality as
> others who have been inspired by Pierce have tried to do?
>
> Do tell us another whopper, Herr Scott. We are not, however, laughing nut
> grim in our determination to make sure that your Nazi dream never becomes a
> reality.

Listen, get this through your head. I never gave a shit about anyone's name or
address. It was McVay who started this crap almost two years ago.

I can tell you what's probably going to probably happen. McVay's eventually
going to piss-off one too many people and someone's going to hire a PI and start
tracking you clowns down and posting that. How about that? Is that what you
want? If it happens you can all blame it on your buddy, McVay. He started the
whole damned thing.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Thomas Mohr wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Tim Stevens wrote:
> >
> > > He has shifted identities at least three times over in alt.revisionism to
> > > hide his identity, and that *has* been documented (see for example the 'The
> > > Noble Death of a Hero' thread. He has posted as 'Ian McKinney' and 'Roger
> > > Hughes' in addition to 'ipm', when making his racist, anti-semitic and
> > > sexist remarks to everyone who finds his bigotry disagreeable and in making
> > > his veiled threats to Ken McVay.
> >
> > I always use the same email address, dimwit. Also please tell me about these
> > so-called "veiled threats" you claim I made against McVay. I'll be waiting.
>
> McKinney, that is a lie. You used *at least* three different ID's and
> several different e-mail addresses. It is all documented.

Mohr, I said email adresses you idiot. As if I was ever trying to fool anyone by
using different handles with the same email address. Well, I fooled you, but that's
nothing.

--
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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority
keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Thomas Mohr wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Thomas Mohr wrote:
> >
> > > ipm wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tim Stevens wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > He has shifted identities at least three times over in alt.revisionism to
> > > > > hide his identity, and that *has* been documented (see for example the 'The
> > > > > Noble Death of a Hero' thread. He has posted as 'Ian McKinney' and 'Roger
> > > > > Hughes' in addition to 'ipm', when making his racist, anti-semitic and
> > > > > sexist remarks to everyone who finds his bigotry disagreeable and in making
> > > > > his veiled threats to Ken McVay.
> > > >
> > > > I always use the same email address, dimwit. Also please tell me about these
> > > > so-called "veiled threats" you claim I made against McVay. I'll be waiting.
> > >
> > > McKinney, that is a lie. You used *at least* three different ID's and
> > > several different e-mail addresses. It is all documented.
> >
> > Mohr, I said email adresses you idiot. As if I was ever trying to fool anyone by
> > using different handles with the same email address. Well, I fooled you, but that's
> > nothing.
>
> McKinney, you *used* different e-mail addresses. You lie as you always
> do.

I have only used two addresses: mckinney@usaor.net and ipm@usaor.net

Quit lying you little pencil-neck geek.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:39 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> That wasn't an answer. Do you give me permission to post
> your p.o. box and home addresses?

How can I give you permission to post something that's not mine?

Look, I'll say this one more time. What you have is bogus.

McVay gets some bullshit from a woman who people who've know her for years say
is a confirmed nut case and you believe him.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> >
> > > That wasn't an answer. Do you give me permission to post
> > > your p.o. box and home addresses?
> >
> > How can I give you permission to post something that's not mine?
> >
> > Look, I'll say this one more time. What you have is bogus.
> >
> > McVay gets some bullshit from a woman who people who've know her for years say
> > is a confirmed nut case and you believe him.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > ipm
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
> irate, tireless
>  minority keen to set fire to people's homes..."
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> So are you denying that you are the ham radio operator with
> callsign KO4FE?

I'm not confirming or denying anything. None of my personal business is any of your
business. As long as people stay out of my business, I stay out of their's.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority
keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:39 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3817523D.BBD10BA5@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >I'm not confirming or denying anything. None of my personal business is
> >any of your
> >business. As long as people stay out of my business, I stay out of their's.
>
> You have, in fact, denied being William Scott - the name by which your
> ISP's server identified you in August, 1996:
>
> $finger mckinney@usaor.net
> William Scott (mckinney)
> Network dialup SLIP/PPP user.
> Address mail to mckinney@usaor.net
> New mail arrived Fri Aug 23 15:20:46 1996.
> Has not read mail for 17:46:27.
>
> ...and the name by which your ISP's SMTP daemon identified you that
> same year:
>
> William Scott 

LOL! Proves nothing. Anybody can make something like that up.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:40 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> Oh, you are so wrong. You can't appear in a public forum and
> make public statements and claim your identity is nobody's
> business. By posting repeatedly here, you have made your
> identify a matter of public interest.

If that's true, then McVay, of all people, should publish his address and phone number
instead of trying to pass off a B'Nai B'rith mail drop. After all, McVay is a public
person who gives interviews to the press and heads Nizkor, a publicly-funded
organization. I'm just a private citizen.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, you are so wrong. You can't appear in a public forum and
> > > make public statements and claim your identity is nobody's
> > > business. By posting repeatedly here, you have made your
> > > identify a matter of public interest.
> >
> > If that's true, then McVay, of all people, should publish his address and phone number
> > instead of trying to pass off a B'Nai B'rith mail drop. After all, McVay is a public
> > person who gives interviews to the press and heads Nizkor, a publicly-funded
> > organization. I'm just a private citizen.
> >
>
> Bull! Mr. McVay's identify is clear and up front. Unlike
> you, he doesn't post under phony names. His home and his
> phone number are protected by netiquette rules. If you don't
> believe this, why don't you post somebody's home address
> without his or her permission and see how fast we can get
> your ISP to kick your butt.

If I showed them what McVay has posted they won't do anything to me. Besides, there's many
ISPs I could use. That's the last of my concerns.


> You are no more private than McVay. By posting your hate
> screeds, you have made yourself a public figure.

Bullshit. I'm not more a "public figure" than anyone else who posts to newsgroups.


> But it doesn't matter whether a person is a public or
> private figure. Netiquette rules prohibit posting any
> person's home address or phone number without his or her
> consent. Can't you get that through your thick racist skull?

McVay has posted that. I'm sick and tired of his shenanigans. And since he conveniently
informed me that Irene Zundel is involved, I'll hold that little witch's feet held to the
fire too. If she doesn't like it, she can look in the mirror and then complain to McVay for
starting the whole damn mess.

You clowns want to keep screwing around, I may just hire a damned private investigator and
expose a few other of Kenny's friends. I'll spend a few grand if it means teaching some of
you assholes a lesson on staying out of people's business.

Its almost to the point that its not about me anymore. Its the principle of the thing.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to
set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:41 EDT 1999
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > > ...and the name by which your ISP's SMTP daemon identified you that
> > > same year:
> > >
> > > William Scott 
> >
> > LOL! Proves nothing. Anybody can make something like that up.
>
> C'mon, Mr. Scott. You're not fooling anybody...

You have, in fact, denied being Bill Clinton - the name by which your
ISP's server identified you in August, 1996:

$finger ap241@columbia.edu
Bill Clinton (ap241)
Network dialup SLIP/PPP user.
Address mail to ap241@columbia.edu
New mail arrived Fri Aug 23 15:20:46 1996.
Has not read mail for 17:46:27.

...and the name by which your ISP's SMTP daemon identified you that
same year:

         Avital Pilpel 



See Slick, I do my own research.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381762E4.B8B943D3@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> >
> >> Oh, you are so wrong. You can't appear in a public forum and
> >> make public statements and claim your identity is nobody's
> >> business. By posting repeatedly here, you have made your
> >> identify a matter of public interest.
> >
> >If that's true, then McVay, of all people, should publish his address and
> phone number
> >instead of trying to pass off a B'Nai B'rith mail drop. After all, McVay
> is a public
> >person who gives interviews to the press and heads Nizkor, a publicly-funded
> >organization. I'm just a private citizen.
> >
>
> Didn;t you JUST say:
>
> In article <3817523D.BBD10BA5@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> >
> >I'm not confirming or denying anything. None of my personal business is
> any of your
> >business. As long as people stay out of my business, I stay out of their's.
>
> If so, stay out of Ken's business and maybe we'll ALL stop asking about yours.
>

That's the most ridiculous statement I ever heard. Any moron can use DejaNews to
confirm that Kenny McSilly OBC (One Big Chicken) has been posting this same old
crap for years. Whereas I have only started demanding his information in the last
couple of weeks.

The net result of all of McVay's activity is that a traitor who collaborated with
Kenny McSilly is going to get thoroughly exposed because she fed bullshit to McVay
and then he stupidly spread it around on the Net in a useless effort to silence
me. Well, its been four years and I'm still here. Of course, Kenny could have
minded his own business from the beginning, but he didn't. It was all so funny to
him. Well, I hope he and Irene got a good laugh. Now his collaborator can thank
him for the attention she will get in the next few days.

Next time you see Irene, ask her how are things out on Ceylon Road?

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority
keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:41 EDT 1999
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > I'm not confirming or denying anything. None of my personal business is any of your
> > business. As long as people stay out of my business, I stay out of their's.
>
> Yeah, right. That's why you keep asking people to post their address on
> the internet - to stay out of their business.

LOL! You can't possibly be so stupid. Check McVay's postings. He's been posting this same
shit for YEARS. Not just about me, but many other people. Until yesterday I never posted
anyone's personal info. McVay is constantly doing it. Its his standard MO.

He's an asshole. When are you clowns going to wake up to that?

--
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to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:42 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <38177738.24EDF3E8@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >McVay has posted that. I'm sick and tired of his shenanigans. And since
> >he conveniently
> >informed me that Irene Zundel is involved, I'll hold that little witch's
> >feet held to the
> >fire too. If she doesn't like it, she can look in the mirror and then
> >complain to McVay for
> >starting the whole damn mess.
> >
> >You clowns want to keep screwing around, I may just hire a damned
> >private investigator and
> >expose a few other of Kenny's friends. I'll spend a few grand if it
> >means teaching some of
> >you assholes a lesson on staying out of people's business.
> >
> >Its almost to the point that its not about me anymore. Its the principle
> >of the thing.
>
> Your threat against the person of Irene Zundel is duly noted, Mr.
> Scott. If I were you, I'd be praying that nothing untoward happens to
> her from this point on.

I didn't threaten anyone. All I will do is post the exact same info about her
that you have posted about any number of other people. Funny, you never
concerned yourself with the welfare of anybody else when you spread people's
personal information around laughing the whole time. Its been just abig joke
to you. You never cared one iota what might happen as a result of your
activity. Well, well, well, suddenly, Kenny McVay is concerned about posting
personal information on the usenet. You flaming fucking hypocrite! You have
been abusing the Net for years. Just remember, Kenny, life is a two-way
street.

--
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:43 EDT 1999
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"The Devil's Advocate©" wrote:

> On 27 Oct 1999 22:52:32 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
> OBC) wrote:
>
> >Your threat against the person of Irene Zundel is duly noted, Mr.
> >Scott. If I were you, I'd be praying that nothing untoward happens to
> >her from this point on.
>
> Mr. "Scott's" information is availiable on the web. He also goes under
> "Roger Hughes." Look it up, you'll see his name, address and phone
> number.

You ought to know. You posted "Roger Hughes" personal info before. Even
including employer.

You're no better than McVay.

--
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> Your threat against the person of Irene Zundel is duly noted, Mr.
> Scott. If I were you, I'd be praying that nothing untoward happens to
> her from this point on.

Your threat is duly noted.

--
Regards,
ipm
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 17:08:44 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <381899C0.6A7EA2C3@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >Are you as stupid as you sound? Probably.
>
> Keep it up, Mr. Scott... I'm sure CSIS will appreciate it that you and
> your friends have confirmed one of their contentions.

Kenny, let's make one thing perfectly clear: it was YOU who made it known to
the whole world that Irene Zundel was giving you information on "William
Scott". There's nothing I can do about what Canada thinks about Ernst
Zundel, I'm not in Canada and subjected to the Orwellianmind control laws
you have there. Ernst Zundel doesn't have anything to do with this situation
anyway. The only matter is the fact that Irene Zundel gave you information,
as you arrogantly bragged, and you posted it to the usenet. If you would
have minded your own business instead of posting personal info about people
the subject of Irene Zundel would have never came up in the past week. But
because you're trying to screw around with me, you stupidly let it out that
Irene Zundel is spreading info on "William Scott", someone who I know for a
fact, never did anything to her.

So, since you and Irene have collaborated, its only fair that people know
what you two have been up to. If both of you were so concerned about
personal information getting out on the Net, you should have restrained
yourselves and minded your own business. You should have stuck to discussing
the issues and left the cheap intimidation tactics out. Just remember,
Kenny, I haven't been posting personal info, YOU HAVE. I don't play these
intimidation games, YOU DO. Its what you do much of the time.

The bottom line is YOU never gave a shit about the privacy or safety of
people who go by "Roger Hughes" or "William Scott" or their families and
relatives. If someone harrassed or committed a crime against a relative of
either of these two persons who happened have the same name and lived in the
same town because of the information you posted, you wouldn't give a flying
fuck. You thought it was simply hilarious that could spread your reckless
bullshit on the usenet while you cowardly sat behind B'nai B'rith and all
the politically correct organizations up in Canada. But wait! Now that I
might expose Irene Zundel to the same treatment that you've been dishing out
for years now, oh, all of a sudden posting personal information to the
Usenet is a terrible thing! You should have thought about that four years
ago, you miserable, arrogant, egotistical hypocrite.

--
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ipm
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From ipm@usaor.net Thu Oct 28 21:45:40 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3818AA43.4B88088D@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >The net result of all of McVay's activity is that a traitor who
> >collaborated with
> >Kenny McSilly is going to get thoroughly exposed because she fed
> >bullshit to McVay
> >and then he stupidly spread it around on the Net in a useless effort to silence
> >me. Well, its been four years and I'm still here. Of course, Kenny could have
> >minded his own business from the beginning, but he didn't. It was all so
> >funny to
> >him. Well, I hope he and Irene got a good laugh. Now his collaborator can thank
> >him for the attention she will get in the next few days.
> >
> >Next time you see Irene, ask her how are things out on Ceylon Road?
>
> Looking at your foolish and ill-conceived threat against Irene Zundel
> from the disgusting platform of a white power ranger, I'd say the stupid
> one would have to be William "Red" Scott, of Hopwood, PA.
>
> Consider a few FACTS here, Mr. "Hold her feet to the fire" Scott:

Kenny, you should have thought about the possibility that Irene could be exposed
when you brought her into this discussion. Your arrogance got the best of you.

All I mean by "holding her feet to the fire" is that I might post the same info
about her that you've been posting about everybody you don't like. Nothing more.

--
Regards,
ipm
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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Kenneth McVay OBC, the great hypocrite wrote:

> In article <3818B92F.E010D458@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >Kenny, you should have thought about the possibility that Irene could be exposed
> >when you brought her into this discussion. Your arrogance got the best of you.
> >
> >All I mean by "holding her feet to the fire" is that I might post the same info
> >about her that you've been posting about everybody you don't like. Nothing more.
>
> You needn't bother trying your case before me, Mr. Scott - it's CSIS
> and the Canadian Government that will weigh your words with respect to
> your threats concerning Irene Zundel.

Oh, so posting someone's town is a "threat?" Well, Kenny, that means that you've been
threatening people for years! Thanks for finally admitting that.



> ...and perhaps the FBI, for possible intimidation of a federal
> witness; who can say, Mr. Scott?

She's no "federal witness" in this country. Besides, I threaten no one nor do I
advocate any threats. I'm doing nothing more than what you've been doing for years.
Take note that I haven't posted any adresses or given any physical descriptions.

If you were so concerned about Irene being embarrassed, you shouldn't have brought
her into this discussion. Just keep that fact in your mind.

--
Regards,
ipm
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <381899C0.6A7EA2C3@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >Are you as stupid as you sound? Probably.
>
> Looking at your foolish and ill-conceived threat against Irene Zundel
> from the disgusting platform of a white power ranger, I'd say the stupid
> one would have to be William "Red" Scott, of Hopwood, PA.

I've done nothing illegal, McVay. As a matter of fact, I haven't even
violated any "Netiquette" because I haven't posted any physical address. I
don't know her address.

You routinely post more than what I posted about people all the time, so
don't whine about it when its one of your friends. And you post your crap
over and over and over.

I don't appreciate your cheap "FBI" and "CSIS" intimidation tactics either.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3818C3DA.810E25DE@usaor.net>, ipm   wrote:
>
> >I've done nothing illegal, McVay. As a matter of fact, I haven't even
> >violated any "Netiquette" because I haven't posted any physical address. I
> >don't know her address.
> >
> >You routinely post more than what I posted about people all the time, so
> >don't whine about it when its one of your friends. And you post your crap
> >over and over and over.
> >
> >I don't appreciate your cheap "FBI" and "CSIS" intimidation tactics either.
>
> You really _are_ stupid, Mr. Scott. Personally, I don't give a damn
> whether the FBI or CSIS even knows you exist. I am simply trying to
> point out that your blather about a federal witness may very well
> strengthen the Canadian Government's case re Zundel and national
> security. Hey, it doesn't bother me if you help send Zundel to prison
> - ain't my problem, Mr. Scott.

Kenny, you've just been had. You have just exposed yourself again - for the
second time this week - as a total hypocrite. The fact is I haven't bothered to
confirm anything I heard about Irene. I didn't even need to waste the time,
because I figured you would react exactly like you did. I set a trap and you
swallowed the bait - hook, line, and sinker! Irene Zundel might be in Hawaii as
far as I know for sure.

FYI, the rumors I've heard about her didn't come from Ernst Zundel or anyone
associated with him. I haven't had any contact with the man.

The important thing is that I posted that information to demonstrate to
everybody what a miserable coward and hypocrite you are and maybe to teach you a
lesson in humility and respect for the privacy of other people. That's something
you obviously never learned while growing up. The fact is that even though I
think Irene Zundel is a worm, I'm not going to even waste my energy to check out
what I've heard. I certainly don't have any interest in bothering her. It
doesn't matter, because, as far as I'm concerned, she's got no credibility. What
matters is that you're a hypocrite who's been laughing it up and spreading
personal information all over the Net on your political opponents for years, but
when the tables were reversed you squealed like a little pig and began posturing
like some icon of virtue. What a charade! What a hypocrite!

I hope your handlers at B'nai B'rith have been watching you make a fool of
yourself.




> If the FBI has been investigating Zundel's associations on your side
> of the border, Mr. Scott, they are certain to take an active interest
> in your threats and bluster.

I make no threats Kenny.

You're either lying or living in a fantasy world of paranoia. Ernst Zundel never
pysically hurt anyone and I have yet to hear about any of his supporters doing
so either. You know that. On the other hand, your ideological brethren sent mail
bombs to Zundel and torched his house nearly burning it to the ground.



> Just trying to save you some hassle down the road, Mr. Scott, but I
> can see that you simply aren't bright enough to figure it out.

ROTFLOL! Kenny, why do you lie? You don't give a shit about me. You just had a
momentary flash of humility, something so rare for you that you didn't recognize
it. Try to savor it and maybe you'll be a better person.



> Way to go, tough guy.

Look in the mirror when you say that.


--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > I've done nothing illegal, McVay. As a matter of fact, I haven't even
> > violated any "Netiquette" because I haven't posted any physical address. I
> > don't know her address.
> >
> > You routinely post more than what I posted about people all the time, so
> > don't whine about it when its one of your friends. And you post your crap
> > over and over and over.
> >
> > I don't appreciate your cheap "FBI" and "CSIS" intimidation tactics either.
> >
>
> These are some of the thinly veiled threats you made against
> a potential government witness:

I made no threats against anybody.

Funny, when McVay posts info on people you think it great and are always ready to
help him spread it around.



> "I'll hold that little witch's feet held to the fire too. If
> she doesn't like it, she can look in the mirror and then
> complain to McVay for starting the whole damn mess."

Slotnick, you're another dope like McVay. You took the bait too.

Shit, I may catch my limit today!

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Alliance http://www.natvan.com




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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> > > In article <381899C0.6A7EA2C3@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> > > http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > >Are you as stupid as you sound? Probably.
> > >
> > > Looking at your foolish and ill-conceived threat against Irene Zundel
> > > from the disgusting platform of a white power ranger, I'd say the stupid
> > > one would have to be William "Red" Scott, of Hopwood, PA.
> >
> > I've done nothing illegal, McVay. As a matter of fact, I haven't even
> > violated any "Netiquette" because I haven't posted any physical address. I
> > don't know her address.
> >
> > You routinely post more than what I posted about people all the time, so
> > don't whine about it when its one of your friends. And you post your crap
> > over and over and over.
> >
> > I don't appreciate your cheap "FBI" and "CSIS" intimidation tactics either.
>
> Jeez, Willi, he's not intimidating you.

Oh bullshit. That's McVay's game.



>  He's just pointing out the fact
> that your big mouth, in cahoots with your little brain, may help put
> Ernst in a German cell.  It will be your finest hour.

Whatever info I got is common to many people in the area. Rumors get around.
Despite whatever you may think, I got no information whatsoever from Ernst
Zundel. I don't have contact with him. I've never gave him any money. He doesn't
know me.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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just_truth@my-deja.com wrote:

>
> Well ipm, I must speak up for the honorable Kenneth McVay OBC. I read a
> lot of facts and fiction on World War II. I have found the site which is
> ran by Mr. McVay OBC to be very informative and factual.

Its also a Jewush propaganda site.




> I have also
> been to the national alliance site which I find to be a bunch of
> nonsense that can not be supported.

Give examples.




> I am for the saving of the so called
> "white race" (Indo-European) but I fail to see where it is being erased
> from the face of the earth. Yes, about maybe 5% are mixing with other
> races which if done because of a loving attraction, I believe to be in
> the spirit of evolution. Many intelligent people are formed from such
> "racial mixing" as you call it.

Many more would be formed without it.




> The problem with most people today is
> that they fail to see that we are all part of but one race. That is the
> human race.

Nonsense, go tell the Chinese that you're an Asian.



> Yes there are differences in the different people that make
> up the human race. I hate to do this but for no better way to explain it
> I shall use an example with cattle. There are many breeds of cattle.
> Angus for example are short and stocky with the ability to kick with the
> front legs. However, mixing the Black Angus breed with White Face cattle
> produces better beef. Both breeds are excellent stock without the mixing
> however.

You're talking about hybrid vigor. The problem is that the advantages
disappear after the first crossing of the original pure breds.If what you're
saying made any sense, the animal breeders would go out of business and all
farmers would immediately cross breed all their acttle to get these great
benefits that you describe.



> Thus your national alliance thought on a better world by being
> white is not of factual evidence.

Your premise is false, therefore your conclusion is no good.




>  I do support the American belief that
> each state should have its own state rights. However, you are far from
> wrong when you accuse a man such as Mr. McVay of being a chicken. It is
> my understanding he was a defender of his country and was a member of
> the US Marines.

Well, if he's such a tough guy then he shouldn't hesitate to publish his
address. Something that he constantly demnds of other people.



> I may be wrong on this, however if Mr. McVay was in
> any service I would say he is much better than you.

There's many people in jail who are vets. Being a vet is no big deal. I was
in the service.

--
For White Unity,
ipm

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <3818FFDD.386921E4@erols.com>,
> steve wolk   wrote:
> [To William "hold the witch's feet to the fire" Scott]
>
> [...]
>
> >Jeez, Willi, he's not intimidating you.  He's just pointing out the fact
> >that your big mouth, in cahoots with your little brain, may help put
> >Ernst in a German cell.  It will be your finest hour.
>
> Can't you just see it?
>
> "ERNST ZUNDEL DEPORTED. PENNSYLVANIA NAZI NAILS FINAL NAIL INTO
> SAMIDAT COFFIN"

Keep hallucinating Kenny.

The only thing you need to remember is that you're a hypocrite. I proved
that.

--
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ipm
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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <3818B6DF.2A0A8192@usaor.net>, heap big white trash loser
> ipm  wrote:
> Yep, typical Nazi scum-bucket. Get ticked off at a Marine, call up
> reinforcements and go find a woman to beat up.

Are you as dumb as you sound? Your buddy, McVay, the big marine, had to use a
woman in a futile attempt against me.

--
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steve wolk wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > The bottom line is YOU never gave a shit about the privacy or safety of
> > people who go by "Roger Hughes" or "William Scott" or their families and
> > relatives. If someone harrassed or committed a crime against a relative of
> > either of these two persons who happened have the same name and lived in the
> > same town because of the information you posted, you wouldn't give a flying
> > fuck. You thought it was simply hilarious that could spread your reckless
> > bullshit on the usenet while you cowardly sat behind B'nai B'rith and all
> > the politically correct organizations up in Canada. But wait! Now that I
> > might expose Irene Zundel to the same treatment that you've been dishing out
> > for years now, oh, all of a sudden posting personal information to the
> > Usenet is a terrible thing! You should have thought about that four years
> > ago, you miserable, arrogant, egotistical hypocrite.
>
> Willi, you just don't get it.  ERNST MAY GO TO JAIL IN GERMANY.  WILLI
> HELPED PUT HIM THERE.  NOT KEN McVAY, NOT NIZKOR, NOT JEWS.  YOU, WILLI,
> YOU.

Boy, you're really excited.

Personally, I have nothing whatsoever to do with Ernst Zundel. I am not a
financial supporter of Zundel. I have no personal contact with him at all.

He and I are two totally separate persons. We're not even ideologically aligned.
He's a revisonist. I'm a racial separatist.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority
keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> > > In article <381762E4.B8B943D3@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Oh, you are so wrong. You can't appear in a public forum and
> > > >> make public statements and claim your identity is nobody's
> > > >> business. By posting repeatedly here, you have made your
> > > >> identify a matter of public interest.
> > > >
> > > >If that's true, then McVay, of all people, should publish his address and
> > > phone number
> > > >instead of trying to pass off a B'Nai B'rith mail drop. After all, McVay
> > > is a public
> > > >person who gives interviews to the press and heads Nizkor, a publicly-funded
> > > >organization. I'm just a private citizen.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Didn;t you JUST say:
> > >
> > > In article <3817523D.BBD10BA5@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I'm not confirming or denying anything. None of my personal business is
> > > any of your
> > > >business. As long as people stay out of my business, I stay out of their's.
> > >
> > > If so, stay out of Ken's business and maybe we'll ALL stop asking about yours.
> > >
> >
> > That's the most ridiculous statement I ever heard. Any moron can use DejaNews to
> > confirm that Kenny McSilly OBC (One Big Chicken) has been posting this same old
> > crap for years. Whereas I have only started demanding his information in the last
> > couple of weeks.
> >
> > The net result of all of McVay's activity is that a traitor who collaborated with
> > Kenny McSilly is going to get thoroughly exposed because she fed bullshit to McVay
> > and then he stupidly spread it around on the Net in a useless effort to silence
> > me. Well, its been four years and I'm still here. Of course, Kenny could have
> > minded his own business from the beginning, but he didn't. It was all so funny to
> > him. Well, I hope he and Irene got a good laugh. Now his collaborator can thank
> > him for the attention she will get in the next few days.
> >
> > Next time you see Irene, ask her how are things out on Ceylon Road?
>
> Excuse me, William P. Scott, is Ceylon Road near Bennington
> Road?

Ha ha. Nice try but McVay posted that crap years ago. My purpose has been accomplished.
I exposed Kenny "The Hypocrite" McVay as the true hypocrite that he is as has no one
else.

I have no interest at all with Irene Zundel. I don't care where she lives and either
does anyone else. It was all a ploy to expose Kenny at his hypocritical best. And you're
so dumb you fell for it too.

You clowns made my day.

--
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article ,
> Orac  wrote:
> >So, if something bad happens to Zundel and the cops find out about our
> >threat and come to arrest you, you're going to show the cops Ken's
> >"threat"? They'll probably tell you he was giving you a sensible warning
> >about publicly making statements about Zundel that could be interpreted as
> >threats.
>
> Don't be too hard on Mr. Scott - it's clear his lamps aren't too
> bright - if any of them approached a full watt, he'd have shut up long
> ago.

Whatever "lamps" I have are certainly bright enough to expose you as a cowardly
hypocrite.


> The folks who need to know about Mr. Scott's threats have been
> notified, on both sides of the border, so there won't be any delays
> should Mrs. Zundel come to harm.

Nothing's going to happen to her because nobody cares about her. My info is
unconfirmed rumor anyway. But it was plausible enough to get you to take the
bait and make a fool of yourself, which was my intent. I have to say, Kenny,
your performance was impeccably predictable. Your hypocrisy is simply
unmatched.

Kenny, maybe I should notify folks on both sides of the border about the
information you've been spreading around about so many people for the past four
years?

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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 29 15:21:05 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > Kenneth McVay OBC, the great hypocrite wrote:
>
> > > ...and perhaps the FBI, for possible intimidation of a federal
> > > witness; who can say, Mr. Scott?
> >
> > She's no "federal witness" in this country. Besides, I threaten no one nor do I
> > advocate any threats. I'm doing nothing more than what you've been doing for years.
> > Take note that I haven't posted any adresses or given any physical descriptions.
>

> Don't try to weasel away from your own words, Mr. William P.
> Scott. Your posts clearly implied a physical threat to Irene
> Zundel. If I were you, I'd get a good defense lawyer first
> thing tomorrow.

I implied nothing of the sort. As a matter of fact, I have absolutely no interest in going
anywhere near her even if she lived two doors down from me. I knew that McVay would react
hysterically and he did, thus proving his hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to
posting people's towns. That's why I posted that. BTW, you exposed yourself to be just as
big a dope as he, so I got two for the price of one.

According to you, if McVay posts my alledged location, then amazingly that's free speech
and you agree with it. If I do nothing more than post someone else's town, then its a
threat. You're an idiot.

--
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set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <38194EE6.41D85B79@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > RockyMtnCougar wrote:
> > > In article <3818B6DF.2A0A8192@usaor.net>, heap big white trash
> > loser
> > > ipm  wrote:
> > > Yep, typical Nazi scum-bucket. Get ticked off at a Marine, call
> > up
> > > reinforcements and go find a woman to beat up.
> > Are you as dumb as you sound? Your buddy, McVay, the big marine,
> > had to use a
> > woman in a futile attempt against me.
>
> I'm not as dumb or pathetic as you sound, Willi.
>
> Ken didn't start making thinly veiled threats online against a woman.
> You did.

I made no threats other than to publish information. McVay does this constantly
and you couldn't care less. Regardless, for the second time I exposed Kenny to
be a flaming hypocrite. I realize you don't like it when your leader looks bad,
but he does and its all his doing.

Nothing I did went as far as McVay does all the time. And the accuracy of my
information doesn't even matter. The point is that Kenny reacted with outrage
and indignation when one of his friends may have gotten exposed, yet he thinks
nothing of posting the exact same info on other people.

All you clowns could do well to take heed of that lesson. You're all hypocrites,
I know, but maybe there might be a couple of you who have an once of decency
somewhere in you.

--
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <38194EE6.41D85B79@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >RockyMtnCougar wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3818B6DF.2A0A8192@usaor.net>, heap big white trash loser
> >> ipm  wrote:
> >> Yep, typical Nazi scum-bucket. Get ticked off at a Marine, call up
> >> reinforcements and go find a woman to beat up.
> >
> >Are you as dumb as you sound? Your buddy, McVay, the big marine, had to use a
> >woman in a futile attempt against me.
> >
> Anonymous Coward:
>
> Thanks for the good work you're doing. Those of us who believe in fighting
> hate and racism are delighted at how much help you're giving us!

Don't bluster, Sara. McVay came out looking like an ass. I set the trap and he
fell for it. We goyim aren't as dumb as you think we are.

--
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <3819509D.73E4140A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >steve wolk wrote:
> >
> >> ipm wrote:
> >>
> >> > The bottom line is YOU never gave a shit about the privacy or safety of
> >> > people who go by "Roger Hughes" or "William Scott" or their families and
> >> > relatives. If someone harrassed or committed a crime against a relative of
> >> > either of these two persons who happened have the same name and lived
> in the
> >> > same town because of the information you posted, you wouldn't give a flying
> >> > fuck. You thought it was simply hilarious that could spread your reckless
> >> > bullshit on the usenet while you cowardly sat behind B'nai B'rith and all
> >> > the politically correct organizations up in Canada. But wait! Now that I
> >> > might expose Irene Zundel to the same treatment that you've been
> dishing out
> >> > for years now, oh, all of a sudden posting personal information to the
> >> > Usenet is a terrible thing! You should have thought about that four years
> >> > ago, you miserable, arrogant, egotistical hypocrite.
> >>
> >> Willi, you just don't get it.  ERNST MAY GO TO JAIL IN GERMANY.  WILLI
> >> HELPED PUT HIM THERE.  NOT KEN McVAY, NOT NIZKOR, NOT JEWS.  YOU, WILLI,
> >> YOU.
> >
> >Boy, you're really excited.
> >
> >Personally, I have nothing whatsoever to do with Ernst Zundel. I am not a
> >financial supporter of Zundel. I have no personal contact with him at all.
> >
> >He and I are two totally separate persons. We're not even ideologically
> aligned.
> >He's a revisonist. I'm a racial separatist.
> >
> *hehe*
>
> That's a good line!

Its no "line." I support the National Alliance only.

McVay needed a long-overdue lesson on respect for people's privacy and I had an
opportunity to be the teacher.

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Orac wrote:

> In article <3819509D.73E4140A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Personally, I have nothing whatsoever to do with Ernst Zundel. I am not a
> > financial supporter of Zundel. I have no personal contact with him at all.
> >
> > He and I are two totally separate persons. We're not even ideologically
> aligned.
> > He's a revisonist. I'm a racial separatist.
>
> There's a difference?

Lots, but I don't feel like getting into yet another useless dicussion with you
on the issue other than to say there's many revisionists who aren't racialists.
Look at Bradley Smith. He's married to a Vietnamese woman. Some racialist, huh?
There's many racialists who have little or no interest in revisionism.

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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <38194DF6.4222EE3F@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> > > In article <3818FFDD.386921E4@erols.com>,
> > > steve wolk   wrote:
> > > [To William "hold the witch's feet to the fire" Scott]
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > >Jeez, Willi, he's not intimidating you.  He's just pointing out
> > the fact
> > > >that your big mouth, in cahoots with your little brain, may
> > help put
> > > >Ernst in a German cell.  It will be your finest hour.
> > >
> > > Can't you just see it?
> > >
> > > "ERNST ZUNDEL DEPORTED. PENNSYLVANIA NAZI NAILS FINAL NAIL INTO
> > > SAMIDAT COFFIN"
> > Keep hallucinating Kenny.
> > The only thing you need to remember is that you're a hypocrite. I
> > proved
> > that.
>
> Major difference here. Irene Zundel was a witness in a trial. You were
> not.

Big deal. We're both private citizens of the US.

The trial was in Canada. It was nothing but a slap case anyway.

What Ernst Zundel did in Canada isn't even illegal here. Personally, I don't
know why he stays in that politically correct Orwellian nuthouse of a country
anyway.



> You post hate-speech on the net, continuously. Irene Zundel does not.

Indirectly she did. She allowed Kenny to interrogate her. He admitted she told
him things about people which Kenny posted to the Net. Of all people to be
aware, she knew damned well what McVay's MO was and that anything she told him
would be repeated as often as Kenny wanted to repeat it. Kenny solicited the
info with the obvious intention of publicizing it on the Net. Both of these two
knew exactly what they were doing. They conspired, its obvious. Kenny's own
words are proof enough.

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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <38194DF6.4222EE3F@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> >
> >> In article <3818FFDD.386921E4@erols.com>,
> >> steve wolk   wrote:
> >> [To William "hold the witch's feet to the fire" Scott]
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> >Jeez, Willi, he's not intimidating you.  He's just pointing out the fact
> >> >that your big mouth, in cahoots with your little brain, may help put
> >> >Ernst in a German cell.  It will be your finest hour.
> >>
> >> Can't you just see it?
> >>
> >> "ERNST ZUNDEL DEPORTED. PENNSYLVANIA NAZI NAILS FINAL NAIL INTO
> >> SAMIDAT COFFIN"
> >
> >Keep hallucinating Kenny.
> >
> >The only thing you need to remember is that you're a hypocrite. I proved
> >that.
> >
> The only thing you've proved is tha you're a clueless idiot who doesn't
> realise he's the worst enemy the Revisionists ever had.

ROTFLOL! As if YOU would ever be interested in doing anything to further
revisionism! When someone you make a comment like that, what you really mean is
the direct opposite. If Ernst Zundel was actually the enemy of revisionism, you
would be giving him a thousand dollars a month! McVay would be falling all over
himself saying what a great guy Zundel is. And the Canadian thought police would
be giving him awards instead trying to put him in jail.

Sara, do you ever engage your brain before you talk?

--
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 29 15:59:18 EDT 1999
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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <381899C0.6A7EA2C3@usaor.net>, William "ipm" Scott,
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william,
>  wrote:
>
> >Are you as stupid as you sound? Probably.
>
> Looking at your foolish and ill-conceived threat against Irene Zundel
> from the disgusting platform of a white power ranger, I'd say the stupid
> one would have to be William "Red" Scott, of Hopwood, PA.
>
> Consider a few FACTS here, Mr. "Hold her feet to the fire" Scott:
>
> The Canadian Government (CSIS) considers Ernst Zundel to be a risk to
> the security of Canada. One reason for this is the nature of his
> associates - that means you and your "friends," Mr. Scott - you know,
> the ones you just admitted to calling to get information about Mrs.
> Zundel, so you could "hold her feet to the fire?"
>
> The Government may believe that Mr. Zundel is a threat to our security
> because of his associations - because the Government believes that he
> can _influence_ his associates, Mr. Scott, and command or influence
> them to commit either political or violent criminal acts on his
> behalf, or for his benefit.
>
> Are you will me so far, Power Ranger Scott? Is any of this too obtuse
> for your neuron pair?
>
> Exposing Mrs. Zundel, or _threatening_ to expose her - i.e. the
> physical whereabouts of a former State witness against him could well
> be construed as an act of intimidation or extortion or harm - for the
> benefit of Ernst Zundel.
>
> In short, Power Ranger Red, given that Mr. Zundel's status as a threat
> to our national security has not been resolved, and given the fact
> that hearings to address his status are coming soon, what you have
> done seems _real_ stupid, since your pompous posturing may well lead
> to Mr. Zundel's deportation and eventual imprisonment in Germany.
>
> As I said, Mr. Scott - from your sleasy little soapbox, one can only
> conclude that you are a _real_ fool. If Ernst ends up in a
> German prison because of your stupidity, I expect he'll confirm my
> diagnosis.
>
> Keep it up, Mr. Scott... I'm sure CSIS will appreciate it that you and
> your friends have confirmed one of their contentions.
>
> Way to go, tough guy.

Listen, Kenny "The Hypocrite" McVay, if you actually believed any of the
bullshit you just typed, you would give me a $50,000 reward.

--
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ipm
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 29 19:04:01 EDT 1999
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > McVay needed a long-overdue lesson on respect for people's privacy and I had an
> > opportunity to be the teacher.
>
> Like hell you were. All you did was provide another reason
> for the FBI and other authorities to keep an eye on you.

My record is completely spotless. I haven't even had a traffic ticket in 20 years. If
the police keep an eye on me they'll probably fall asleep.



> Imagine, threatening to "hold the feet" of a witness in a
> criminal case "to the fire." No wonder you Nazis lost the
> war -- all hate and no brains.

My postings had nothing to do with any trial and you know that. I don't know anything
about that trial anyway except that that case was over two years ago. What bullshit. My
postings had to do with showing what a pathetic hypocrite McVay really is. Maybe he
should start respecting other people's privacy for a change. For four years I've put up
with his constant poking into my private life. I haven't done that to anyone before this
and I have no plans on making it my practice. Of course, McVay will probably continue,
but at least I demonstrated to any moral person just what a two-faced hypocrite he is.

I consider myself to be a cut above the ex-gas jockey.

--
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ipm
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to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> >
> > > That wasn't an answer. Do you give me permission to post
> > > your p.o. box and home addresses?
> >
> > How can I give you permission to post something that's not mine?
> >
> > Look, I'll say this one more time. What you have is bogus.
> >
> > McVay gets some bullshit from a woman who people who've know her for years say
> > is a confirmed nut case and you believe him.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > ipm
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
> irate, tireless
>  minority keen to set fire to people's homes..."
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> So are you denying that you are the ham radio operator with
> callsign KO4FE?

I'm not confirming or denying anything. None of my personal business is any of your
business. As long as people stay out of my business, I stay out of their's.

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From ipm@usaor.net Fri Oct 29 20:06:19 EDT 1999
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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <381A00AC.584D4DBA@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > McVay needed a long-overdue lesson on respect for people's
> > privacy and I had an
> > > > opportunity to be the teacher.
> > >
> > > Like hell you were. All you did was provide another reason
> > > for the FBI and other authorities to keep an eye on you.
> > My record is completely spotless. I haven't even had a traffic
> > ticket in 20 years.
>
> Translation: The truck in front of my trailer has been on blocks for 20
> years.

Even I got a chuckle out of that one.



> If
> > the police keep an eye on me they'll probably fall asleep.
> > > Imagine, threatening to "hold the feet" of a witness in a
> > > criminal case "to the fire." No wonder you Nazis lost the
> > > war -- all hate and no brains.
> > My postings had nothing to do with any trial and you know that.
>
> If it didn't, Willi, then explain your own words here "You know, when
> someone screws their friends over real good like she did, they're glad
> to tell me what I want to know."
>
> If your refrence to "screws their friends over real good like she did"
> doesn't mean the trial, then what DOES it mean?

Her former friends in the local area here in Pa. - all women, BTW. These people
have nothing to do with any trials in Canada. The trial she testified in is over
and done with anyway. I don't have time to keep up with all of Zundel's
controversies in Canada.



> And while you're at it, please tell us how "Of course, she could have
> avoided any interest at all by simply keeping her big mouth shut, but
> no, she had to run to Kenny and tell him all kinds of stories." doesn't
> have anything to do with the trial.

I'm taking strictly about what she told him about "William Scott". I don't have
anything to do with that trial. It wasn't even being discussed. My statements
were made in the context of McVay's announcement that she told him something
about "William Scott." He brought her name into this, not me.


>  I
> > don't know anything
> > about that trial anyway except that that case was over two years
> > ago. What bullshit. My
> > postings had to do with showing what a pathetic hypocrite McVay
> > really is. Maybe he
> > should start respecting other people's privacy for a change.
>
> You want to be totally private? Get off the Internet. Privacy is a two
> way street. If you want to open your big, bigoted, white trash mouth
> then you've got to lose some privacy. Keep it closed and no one knows
> what a little Nazi scum you are.

That's a bullshit excuse for McVay's activities. Do you think there aren't
people on the Net who's views make me want to puke? Hundreds! But since I'm not
a weasel and have some respect for people's privacy, I leave them alone as long
as they don't bother me. I don't care if they post to the usenet or what they
do. OTOH, McVay constantly harrasses people with his stupid postings of personal
information. I don't do that.



> You want to be able to preach then you can't be ducking behind the
> pulpit.

I am a American citizen. that means I can say whatever the hell I want no matter
if you call it preaching or what. You're no dictator of what people are allowed
to say. If I want to call myself the Lone Ranger and post 5,000 messages per day
its none of your damn business. If you don't like what I have to say, don't read
it. Or if you want to argue, that's ok too.



> Irene Zundel, however, isn't in these newsgroups. She's not coming in
> here to tell anyone about anything. You are. She's trying to stay
> private. You aren't. Major difference.

That's not true. She gave McVay information she obviously assumed he would make
public. And that's what he did. But as I said before, I don't care about that as
much as Mcvay's hypocrisy. As far as I'm concerned, Irene Zundel is a louse and
I don't want anything to do with her. Let her blab to anyone who wants to listen
- wherever she is. The only reason I said anything about her after McVay
mentioned her as a source is because I knew that the great hypocrite McVay would
react just as he did, all full of hypocritical outrage and phony indignation
that I might post some personal info on his source. Of course, the most
nauseating part is that McVay routinely goes out of his way to post personal
info on anybody he can and you and all the other Nizkooks thinks that's great.
But when somebody posts something on one of your friends, then all of a sudden
posting any personal info is just terrible. Your double standards reek!



> Ken's real name is out there. He's made public speaking engagements in
> at least three countries that I'm aware of. He's not hiding. You are.
> Major difference.

That's exactly right. Kenny is a public person who lives off handouts from the
public, yet hides behind B'nai B'rith. That's why he's a hypocrite. I'm just a
private individual who makes an honest living and minds my own business. Posting
to the Net doesn't make someone a "public person."




> For
> > four years I've put up
> > with his constant poking into my private life. I haven't done that
> > to anyone before this
> > and I have no plans on making it my practice. Of course, McVay
> > will probably continue,
> > but at least I demonstrated to any moral person just what a
> > two-faced hypocrite he is.
> > I consider myself to be a cut above the ex-gas jockey.
>
> And ex-Marine. What's your service record, Willi the Limp? Got a DD-214
> you can have scanned?

Yes, I have a DD-214 somewhere. I haven't seen it for 20 years. But my service
record is about as much your business as are my IRS tax forms.



> C'mon, such a brave "let's get some friends together and go scare a
> lone woman" Aryan superman has got to have been in uniform, right?

You're feverish brain is working overtime today.

--
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ipm
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Orac wrote:

> In article <3819F195.8752CB48@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Orac wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3819509D.73E4140A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Personally, I have nothing whatsoever to do with Ernst Zundel. I am not a
> > > > financial supporter of Zundel. I have no personal contact with him at all.
> > > >
> > > > He and I are two totally separate persons. We're not even ideologically
> > > aligned.
> > > > He's a revisonist. I'm a racial separatist.
> > >
> > > There's a difference?
> >
> > Lots, but I don't feel like getting into yet another useless dicussion
> with you
> > on the issue other than to say there's many revisionists who aren't
> racialists.
>
> But there aren't many that I've seen who aren't anti-Semites. They share
> that with racists like you.

Well, maybe that comes from the fact that a lot of Jewish activity is so arrogant,
self-serving and subversive. The shameless exploitation of the holocaust creates
allies among people who might normally not have a lot in common.



> > Look at Bradley Smith. He's married to a Vietnamese woman. Some
> racialist, huh?
> > There's many racialists who have little or no interest in revisionism.
>
> No, you'd rather concentrate on hating blacks and Jews.

I don't hate anyone except people who work to damage my race.

--
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ipm
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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William Daffer wrote:

> ipm  writes:
>
> > Sara, do you ever engage your brain before you talk?
> >
>
>   I was about to ask you the very same question! 'When someone you
>   make a comment like that, what you really mean is the direct
>   opposite.' Wow. Now that is cutting wit!
>
>   And in this whole thing about McVay being a 'hypocrite.' Could you
>   explain that to me, because, for the life of me, I haven't a clue
>   what you are yammering about.

Its very simple. Ken McVay has what most accurately can be called a fetish of
posting personal information on the usenet about people he doesn't like. Yet,
surprisingly, Kenny, who heads the Nizkor organization, routinely gives interviews
to the media and his organization are funded by public contributions, hides behind a
PO Box. Also, Kenny reacts with the outrage that only a hypocrite like him could
when I posted a little personal info on a friend of his who collaborated with him to
spread personal information on the person Ken's thinks me to be.

Now, do you get the picture?

--
Regards,
ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
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From ipm@usaor.net Sat Oct 30 16:43:50 EDT 1999
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mcoon4528@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <7vait0$1dnh$1@hub.org>,
>   kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Orac  wrote:
> > >So, if something bad happens to Zundel and the cops find out about
> our
> > >threat and come to arrest you, you're going to show the cops Ken's
> > >"threat"? They'll probably tell you he was giving you a sensible
> warning
> > >about publicly making statements about Zundel that could be
> interpreted as
> > >threats.
> >
> > Don't be too hard on Mr. Scott - it's clear his lamps aren't too
> > bright - if any of them approached a full watt, he'd have shut up long
> > ago.
> >
> > The folks who need to know about Mr. Scott's threats have been
> > notified, on both sides of the border, so there won't be any delays
> > should Mrs. Zundel come to harm.
> >
>
> Yes, Ken, they do. I shared Scott's post containing the threat (the
> whole thread, actually) with an FBI field agent who is a friend of mine
> (also a relative by marriage). While she did not think that particular
> threat was a chargeable offense, she was interested to know if the rat-
> bastard has made similar threats before. As I have only recently come
> across his foul stench, I could not help her there. But I've asked the
> AR mailing list members for any help in dregging up past threats by
> this weasel. We shall see.

Your FBI agent is correct, for the obvious reason that this so-called
"threat" exists only in your hallucinating mind.

--
Regards,
ipm
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"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Sara Salzman wrote:

> In article <381A00AC.584D4DBA@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
>
> >I consider myself to be a cut above the ex-gas jockey.
> >
> Which puts you in a crowd of one.
>
> Most everyone else here thinks you're a slimy, Nazi-loving racist.

What else would a bunch of Nizkorites think? The day you people start liking
me is that day I better do some serious self-reflection.

--
Regards,
ipm
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Tim Stevens wrote:
>
> > Glad you had such a laugh. Did you notice, however, that no one else is
> > laughing? That's because the joke, you see, is on you. You have been drawn
> > out to expose yourself publically to be the threat that you claim you are
> > not. *You* have been exposed, not Mr. McVay. You may talk like you are not a
> > threat, but if I were you I would begin to care *very deeply* for the
> > welfare of Irene Zundel. You may even finding yourself laughing your way
> > into a courtroom if you are not *really* careful and should something
> > 'mysteriously' happen to her.
> >
> > There, the judge will not laugh, and the jury will not laugh, and most
> > assuredly you will not laugh either. And then your new address, shared with
> > many other 'non-threats' will most assuredly be known.
>
> You miss the point. "ipm" is a cward. He made a threat, and when others
> took it seriously he got cold feet and started claiming it was "all a
> joke". That's all that is going on here. He is, obviously, oblivious to
> the fact nobody buys his fake "fooled you" hyterical laughter.

I "threatened" to do nothing more than what McVay does all the time: put out
someone's town and street. That's the extend of my info and its unconfirmed to
boot, but its all I needed to prove McVay and you Nizkorites are all phony
hypocrites.

--
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ipm
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keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > > Yes, Ken, they do. I shared Scott's post containing the threat (the
> > > whole thread, actually) with an FBI field agent who is a friend of mine
> > > (also a relative by marriage). While she did not think that particular
> > > threat was a chargeable offense, she was interested to know if the rat-
> > > bastard has made similar threats before. As I have only recently come
> > > across his foul stench, I could not help her there. But I've asked the
> > > AR mailing list members for any help in dregging up past threats by
> > > this weasel. We shall see.
> >
> > Your FBI agent is correct, for the obvious reason that this so-called
> > "threat" exists only in your hallucinating mind.
>
> You posted the threat, Mr. Scott.

You're crazy.

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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm  wrote in message news:38195B8A.2BCA0440@usaor.net...
>
> > I implied nothing of the sort. As a matter of fact, I have absolutely no
> interest in going
> > anywhere near her even if she lived two doors down from me. I knew that
> McVay would react
> > hysterically and he did, thus proving his hypocrisy and double standards
> when it comes to
> > posting people's towns. That's why I posted that. BTW, you exposed
> yourself to be just as
> > big a dope as he, so I got two for the price of one.
> >
> > According to you, if McVay posts my alledged location, then amazingly
> that's free speech
> > and you agree with it. If I do nothing more than post someone else's town,
> then its a
> > threat. You're an idiot.
>
> One more time, for the non-brain impaired. Mr. McVay posted your PO Box
> number and town, which is Butler, PA - a town which is big enough for you to
> hide your racist ass in along I-80 in West Central Penn (I have passed
> through there several times in traveling from Chicago to Connecticut). Your
> PO Box <> Your address. *You* have Mr. McVay's PO Box and town as well. His
> PO Box <> *his* address. *You* have gone the extra step of asking for his
> home address for purposes that have nothing to do with mailing him postage.

McVay posted my supposed street and physical information and I never remember
anyone criticising him.. I wanted to see if he has enough intergriy to do the
same. Its a test of credibility, moron, with the lion's share of the burden on
him. He started it all.



> Nor have you expressed a desire to get together with Mr. McVay to go
> bar-hopping and exchange jokes. Your explicit hostility in combination with
> said request can only logically be construed as a veiled threat, which is of
> course no secret to anyone reading this thread. He has not done the same.
> *You* and you alone are the potentially guilty party.

I never threatened anyone with harrassment or violence. I don't perpetrate any
illegal activity whatsoever and there's not one example of me doing that. Your
so-called "logic" might make you think I plan to take all Jews, put them on a
boat, and sink it. Of course, the problem is your idiotic "logic" and the
conclusions it leads to has no basis in reality.

You don't seem to appreciate his hypocrisy of your friend. The man's hobby, it
seems, is posting personal info, yet he is a public figure in the sense that he
leads a publicly-funded organization, accepts public awards, and routinely gives
interviews to the public media.



> But *do* keep on with the implied threats. It makes any action that Mr.
> McVay may feel the need to take that much easier to initiate.

"Implied threats", get real. I never made any threats towards that bum. I
wouldn't waste a dollar's worth of gasoline to drive somewhere to look at his
ugly face, let alone travel 3,000 miles to perpetrate some harrassment.


--
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ipm
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm wrote in message <381603EB.4172EF0@usaor.net>...
> >Besides that, Jewish mass-murderer Baruch Goldstein was a founding member
> >of the Jewish Defense League (sic). Do you have anything to say about your
> JDL
> >buddies?
>
> The more extreme factions of the JDL such as Goldstein and the followers of
> the late Rabbi Kahane have been denounced by the the media in general and
> the American Jewish community as well for their violence and rightfully so.
> Trying to find more justification for killing Jews? Whadda surprise!
>
> Now, a question for you. Where, oh where is the National Alliance's
> denunciation of the Oklahoma City bombing? Or the murders committed by
> camp-followers incited by your hatred?

Dr. Pierce has denounced it on numerous occasions. He did it on CBS "60 Minutes"
a couple of years ago.



> >> Any person with functioning neuron could not fail to see the
> >> non-so-veiled threat in that.
> >
> >Please quote this so-called "threat". Asking for someone to quit being a
> >hypocrite and post their address is not a threat.
>
> But he *did* give you his mailing address, didn't he? He doesn't have your
> home address nor has he asked for it from you. You on the other hand, have
> asked him for his residential address, which given the demonstrated links of
> your hate-filled National Alliance to bombing and murder, no sane person
> would want to give out.
>
> He does have your mailing address, doesn't he? Or are you going to continue
> to impress us by how stupid you are by claiming that 'PO BOX 307' in Butler,
> PA is your residential address?

I never said it was my address. However, if I was who McSilly claims, then the
fact is that he posted this person's street at least once. How about that?


> >No, its not a threat. Its merely a demand that a hypocrite quit being one.
>
> By posting his home address so that people like you who enjoy the thought of
> 'ridding' America of 'the "traitors" to the white race so openly hated by
> Pierce and his neo-Nazi followers' might try to make this a reality as
> others who have been inspired by Pierce have tried to do?
>
> Do tell us another whopper, Herr Scott. We are not, however, laughing nut
> grim in our determination to make sure that your Nazi dream never becomes a
> reality.

Listen, get this through your head. I never gave a shit about anyone's name or
address. It was McVay who started this crap almost two years ago.

I can tell you what's probably going to probably happen. McVay's eventually
going to piss-off one too many people and someone's going to hire a PI and start
tracking you clowns down and posting that. How about that? Is that what you
want? If it happens you can all blame it on your buddy, McVay. He started the
whole damned thing.

--
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ipm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Western Imperative Network http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
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"Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:

> ipm wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, you are so wrong. You can't appear in a public forum and
> > > make public statements and claim your identity is nobody's
> > > business. By posting repeatedly here, you have made your
> > > identify a matter of public interest.
> >
> > If that's true, then McVay, of all people, should publish his address and phone number
> > instead of trying to pass off a B'Nai B'rith mail drop. After all, McVay is a public
> > person who gives interviews to the press and heads Nizkor, a publicly-funded
> > organization. I'm just a private citizen.
> >
>
> Bull! Mr. McVay's identify is clear and up front. Unlike
> you, he doesn't post under phony names. His home and his
> phone number are protected by netiquette rules. If you don't
> believe this, why don't you post somebody's home address
> without his or her permission and see how fast we can get
> your ISP to kick your butt.

If I showed them what McVay has posted they won't do anything to me. Besides, there's many
ISPs I could use. That's the last of my concerns.


> You are no more private than McVay. By posting your hate
> screeds, you have made yourself a public figure.

Bullshit. I'm not more a "public figure" than anyone else who posts to newsgroups.


> But it doesn't matter whether a person is a public or
> private figure. Netiquette rules prohibit posting any
> person's home address or phone number without his or her
> consent. Can't you get that through your thick racist skull?

McVay has posted that. I'm sick and tired of his shenanigans. And since he conveniently
informed me that Irene Zundel is involved, I'll hold that little witch's feet held to the
fire too. If she doesn't like it, she can look in the mirror and then complain to McVay for
starting the whole damn mess.

You clowns want to keep screwing around, I may just hire a damned private investigator and
expose a few other of Kenny's friends. I'll spend a few grand if it means teaching some of
you assholes a lesson on staying out of people's business.

Its almost to the point that its not about me anymore. Its the principle of the thing.

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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > What else would a bunch of Nizkorites think? The day you people start liking
> > me is that day I better do some serious self-reflection.
>
> Typical delusions of grandeur: if everybody hates me, it's all THEIR
> fault. After all, there couldn't bhe anything wrong with MY behavior...

That's not what I said at all. I get along with almost everybody. Its just you
Nizkooks who hate everybody that doesn't accept the idea that Jews are a
powerless, inoffensive, and giving minority. I've know a number of Jews. Some were
ok, but in my experience, the ones associated with Nizkor are about the most
obnoxious Jews I've ever seen. The only ones worse are probably are those from the
JDO, who, by judging by their website, see very gentile who's not constantly
praising Jews as a either a dangerous Nazi or a potential Nazi.

Their website is really amazing. http://www.jdo.org

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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > > You really _are_ stupid, Mr. Scott. Personally, I don't give a damn
> > > whether the FBI or CSIS even knows you exist. I am simply trying to
> > > point out that your blather about a federal witness may very well
> > > strengthen the Canadian Government's case re Zundel and national
> > > security. Hey, it doesn't bother me if you help send Zundel to prison
> > > - ain't my problem, Mr. Scott.
> >
> > Kenny, you've just been had. You have just exposed yourself again - for the
> > second time this week - as a total hypocrite. The fact is I haven't bothered to
> > confirm anything I heard about Irene. I didn't even need to waste the time,
> > because I figured you would react exactly like you did. I set a trap and you
> > swallowed the bait - hook, line, and sinker! Irene Zundel might be in Hawaii as
> > far as I know for sure.
>
> So, essentially you are saying that McVay's "stupidity" was taking threats
> of violence from you seriously, becasue you meant them as a "joke".

No, not at all. There were no threats of violence so quit saying that or you can post
you shit and read it yourself. I'm saying that since McVay's a hypocrite he would get
worked up by the mention of putting out personal info on one of his friends. Of
course, he does it all the time to other people and thinks its fine and dandy. Well,
if its good enough for Kenny, it should be good for everybody. Besides that, due to
my sense of personal honor, I didn't put out nearly as much info as McVay has on
"William Scott" and many other people. My point was to get a reaction out of Kenny
and I did that. I have it all archived and now I can always point to this situation
as iron-clad proof of Nizkor's hypocrisy and double standards.

Look, my attitude since the beginning has always been to leave personal stuff out and
keep the discussions on an intellectual level. I have resisted the urge to gather or
post personal info on any opponent for four years all while Kenny has been repeatedly
posting personal info on me. In fact, he hardly posts anything into which he doesn't
gratuitously put some kind of personal info when I'm around. Well, he's put a lot of
it out and nothing's happened to me or my property. I've never even recieved a
harrassing phone call. I know its all bluff and intimidation. But like I've told all
of you, I will continue to use whatever ID I choose no mater what you people say or
do. I'm just too stubborn of an old bastard to give in to your tactics. I'm not
afraid of you goofballs either. If you actually had any plans of doing anything you'd
have done it a long time ago.

Another thing, I realize that all this talk about supposed "threats" is all bullshit
too and just another of the stupid games you people like to play. Your real aim is to
intimidate me off the net. It isn't going to work. Its been five days since I first
said I was considering posting info on that women. If any police agency actually
thought I was any danger to anyone I wouldn't be here typing this.

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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

> In article ,
> Orac  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >OK, you claim there's a difference between Holocaust revisionists and
> >white racists like yourself. Let's ask a simple question, shall we? Do you
> >or do you not accept that the Germans intentionally tried to exterminate
> >Jewry in Europe, killing several million by various means? A simple yes or
> >no will suffice, with an explanation allowed ONLY if you answer yes or no.
>
> Mr. Scott is a Holocaust denier, as a quick perusal of his earlier
> vomitus will attest - See his 1996 Usenet articles, for instance, via
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/scott.william/1996:

Kenny, if it weren't for the holocaust, you still be back at that gas station
pumping gas. I know that thought is always lurking in the back of your mind.



> [On the Holocaust - August 1996]
>
> "It gets the Jews alot of undeserved sympathy, allows Israel to
> blackmail Germany and America to the tune of billions of dollars
> per year, gives fradulent moral justification for killing
> Palestinians. It's a scam, pure and simple.

Pretty much true, nothing's changed. Israeli author, Tom Segev, even agrees with
me on some of those points. Is he also a holocaust denier?



> Nobody whines like the Jews and the Holocaust is like the Energizer
> Rabbit - it keeps going and going and going and going and
> going............................"

Well, its been 55 years since WW2 ended and its like the holocaust happened just
last year.



> [September 96]
>
> "If the Soviet deaths were promoted to the same degree as the alledged Jewish
> 'holocaust' deaths, and that Jews were the ones doing alot of the killing,
> then suddenly the importance of the 'holocaust' collapses and benefits
> derived from it disappear.

True.


> With the 'holocaust' it's all politics and money - it has little to do with
> truth. It's simply a propaganda tool used to extort money from, and
> to intimidate, non-Jews."

Well, Kenny, apparently I'm not the only one seeing that, even some Jews are even
recognizing the trouble caused by this constant beating of the holocaust drum.
Put this in your holocaust archive:


"What Does It Do to Me?"
by Tom Segev

Miriam Yahav, a survivor of Auschwitz, Majdanek, and other camps,
for many years managed a candy store in Beersheva. She told the
students hair-raising horror stories that even Shalmi Barmor [a
Holocau$t educator] found hard to listen to and read poems she
had written, some of them in Yiddish. "Suddenly all was gone,
nothing was left, only I alone, desolate," she wrote in one poem.
"Each day was like a year. Where did I sin? Where? To this day I
do not understand how it happened, how I remained, I in
particular. How did I emerge from the horror?" At the end of her
poems, alongside her name, she customarily writes her serial
number at the camp - A-1575. The one injunction left them by the
victims, Yahav told the students, was revenge, revenge, revenge.

Eliezer Lidovski, the Tel Aviv pensioner who told me about his
part in the attempts to poison the water supplies of several
German cities, always regretted not having done more. "The world
would look on Israel differently, had the Jewish people known
how to take blood revenge," he said," David Sarid, though, told
the students that there is no revenge. Our hearts should not fill
with hatred, he reiterated time and again, lest there be no room
for love. Miriam Yahav said she found her revenge in, among other
things, Poland's poverty - Everything is so gray and sad here,
she said when we were in Cracow. "The Polish Jews murdered in the
Holocaust took joy with them, and since then there has been no
joy in this land": that was her revenge, she said.

Yahav had never spoken about her experience until the Eichmann
trial. Since then, she has considered telling her story a
mission. She gives talks to students, soldiers, and other groups,
including prisoners - her one condition being that there be no
Arabs among them. When she described the death apparatus at
Treblinka she said: "Everything was so organized with them. They
had culture. Not like the Arabs." She was not talking politics,
she insisted repeatedly when I asked her about it.

She was saying what she felt. Arabs frightened her. What could
she do? - she was from "there." While still working in her candy
store, she recounted, she would see how the Arabs came each month
to the local social security office to collect their child
allowances. It burned her up; they had so many children. They
like it, she said as we went down Estherke Street. Estherke had
been the Jewish mistress of Casimir the Great, the
fourteenth-century Polish king. Miriam Yahav and I were on
our way to the synagogue of Rabbi Moshe Isserles, the
sixteenth-century codifier of the Ashkenazic legal tradition. It
was Saturday morning. She told me how hard it had been for her to
become pregnant after the Holocaust; but in the end she had two
daughters and a son. One member of her family had been killed in
the Six-Day War, another during the Yom Kippur War. Yes, she
thought that the best thing would be to expel all the Arabs from
the country. On trucks if they want, some other way if they want
- so long as they get out, she said. I spent some time on her
bus. The students, who came from a religious high school in Petah
Tikvah, liked her. They too spoke much about the need to deport
the Arabs. No, Yahav swiftly answered in place of the student I
had asked, there was no similarity between the deportation of
Arabs and the deportation of Jews. The Jews had not sought to do
any harm to the gentiles.

Before the trip to Poland, one of the students commented that the
planned ceremonies, with the prayers and the flag, were not to
her liking. She suspected that someone was trying to indoctrinate
them politically. The Holocaust was being presented as if it
belonged only to the Jews, and this was not the case, she said.
The teachers did what psychologists recommend doing in similar
awkward situations: they told the students to talk about it. A
fascinating debate ensued. The student who raised the issue said
that she would not want to participate in ceremonies that
emphasized only Israeli identity. The ceremonies, if there are
any, should emphasize Jewish identity, or better yet, human
identity. Her friends challenged her. One said that if he was
going to Poland to cry, he preferred to do so as an Israeli and
as a Jew, not just as a human being. Another said that no
distinction should be made between Jewish and Israeli identity.
The Nazis, he added, had murdered the Jews because they were
Jews, not because they were human beings. Matan Meridor [one of
the students] said that the Israeli flag contains Jewish symbols
and represents the entire Jewish people. He, personally, could
not sing a requiem to the Gypsies while standing before a
monument to Jews, he said; he was not going to Poland because of
the Cambodian genocide. He had no objection to mentioning, on
occasion, that others had also been murdered, but he was going to
Poland in the name of the six million.

That discussion continued long into the night; at times it was
very emotional, and usually very political. The students could
deduce from it that they were not being told the truth when
remembrance of the Holocaust was presented to them as a
manifestation of national unity. In fact, it was another
expression of the divisions in Israeli society between
right and left, xenophobia and humanism, divisions confirmed by
behavioral scientists Dan Bar-On and Oron Sela in their study of
the relation of Israeli youth to the Holocaust. Political
polarization made it hard for young people to understand the
Holocaust apart from Israeli reality; their conception of that
reality inevitably affected their approach to the Holocaust.
This overlay of past and present was revealed over and over again
during the journey to the death camps in Poland. While walking
through the streets of Cracow one Friday evening, returning from
a synagogue, several of the teenagers sang Yaakov Rotblit's "Song
of Peace," written shortly after the Six-Day War; others sang a
song from Bnei Akiva, the national-religious youth movement,
improvising a line of their own. "Expel the Arabs, gather in the
Jews."

The booklet the [Israeli] Ministry of Education distributed to
the students prior to their trip stated that Poland supports
self-determination for the Palestinians and Palestinian terrorist
organizations, as if these two were one and the same. The
students were not told that the right to self-determination is a
universal right of every nation. Again and again the students
were warned that the Holocaust meant that they must stay in
Israel. They were not warned that the Holocaust requires them to
strengthen democracy, fight racism, defend minorities and civil
rights, and refuse to obey manifestly illegal orders. Meanwhile,
surveys revealed the low level of democratic consciousness among
Israeli youth; a comparative study conducted by Ben-Gurion
University led to the embarrassing conclusion that the level of
democratic consciousness among German youth was significantly
higher.

Most Israelis, in fact, seem to lack the optimism necessary to
accept the humanistic lessons of the Holocaust, and, in
recognition of that, some people have gone so far as to advocate
forgetting the Holocaust altogether. A few months after the
outbreak of the Palestinian uprising in the territories, Haaretz
[a liberal Israeli newspaper] launched a public debate by
printing a most unusual essay by Yehuda Elkana called "For
Forgetting." At the time, Elkana was director of the Institute of
the History of Science and Ideas at Tel Aviv University and
director of the Van Leer Institute in Jerusalem. A Holocaust
survivor, he had been taken to Auschwitz as a ten-year-old child.
His experience there led him to the conclusion that "what
happened in Germany can happen anywhere, with any people,
including my people," Yet he believed it was possible to prevent
"such events" through proper education and an appropriate
political context.

The article came in the wake of the increasing number of press
reports of "excesses" committed by Israeli soldiers in the
[occupied] territories. Elkana had seen all this in the past, he
wrote: "I have seen a bulldozer bury people alive, I have seen
soldiers who, losing their senses, broke the hands of civilians,
including children." He asked himself what the source was of the
acts committed by Israeli soldiers in the territories and reached
the conclusion that what motivated Israeli society's attitude
toward the Palestinians was not personal frustration but rather a
deep existential fear nourished by a specific interpretation of
the Holocaust and by the willingness to believe that the entire
world was against the Jewish people, the eternal victim. "I see
in this ancient belief, to which many people subscribe today,
Hitler's paradoxical and tragic victory," Elkana wrote. If the
Holocaust did not suffuse national consciousness so deeply, the
conflict between the Jews and the Palestinians would not have led
to so many "aberrant" reactions, and, most likely, the diplomatic
efforts would not have led to a dead end, he added.

Like others before him, Elkana laid out the dangers inherent in
memory:

"An atmosphere in which an entire nation determines its relation
to the present and shapes its future by concentrating on the
lessons of the past is a danger to the future of any society that
wishes to live in relative serenity and relative security, like
all other countries .... The very existence of democracy is
endangered when the memory of the past's victims plays an active
role in the political process. All the ideologues of the fascist
regimes understood this well .... The use of past suffering as a
political argument is like making the dead partners in the
democratic process of the living."

The professor's conclusion:

"I see no greater danger to the future of Israel than the fact
that the Holocaust has been instilled methodically into the
consciousness of the Israeli public, including that very large
part that did not endure the Holocaust, as well as the generation
of children that has been born and grown up here. For the first
time I understand the seriousness of what we have done, when for
decades we have sent every child in Israel to visit Yad Vashem
over and over again. What did we expect tender children to do
with this experience? Our minds, even hearts, closed, without
interpretation, we have proclaimed 'Remember!' What for? What is
a child supposed to do with these memories? For a great many of
them, the horror pictures were likely to be interpreted as a call
for hatred, 'Remember' could be interpreted as a call for
long-standing, blind hatred. It may well be that the world at
large will remember. I am not sure of that, but in any case that
is not our concern. Each nation, including the Germans, will
decide for itself, in the context of its own considerations,
whether it wishes to remember. We, on the other hand, must
forget. I do not see any more important political or educational
stance for the country's leaders than to stand up for life, to
give oneself over to the construction of our future - and not to
deal, morning and evening, with symbols, ceremonies, and lessons
of the Holocaust. The rule of historical remembrance must be
uprooted from our lives."

Tom Segev, _The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust_,
trans. Haim Watzman (New York, 1993), pp. 500-504.


some Jews are even recognizing the trouble caused by this constant beating of the
holocaust drum:





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minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..." -- Samuel Adams
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Orac wrote:

> In article <381A30AC.BEB13656@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Well, maybe that comes from the fact that a lot of Jewish activity is so
> arrogant,
> > self-serving and subversive. The shameless exploitation of the holocaust
> creates
> > allies among people who might normally not have a lot in common.
>
> OK, you claim there's a difference between Holocaust revisionists and
> white racists like yourself. Let's ask a simple question, shall we? Do you
> or do you not accept that the Germans intentionally tried to exterminate
> Jewry in Europe, killing several million by various means? A simple yes or
> no will suffice, with an explanation allowed ONLY if you answer yes or no.

I can't answer that question with a plain yes or no. Yes, I believe they wanted
Jews out of western Europe. I believe as many as a million Jews died under
German auspices either by deliberate killing or bad conditions in the camps. No,
I don't believe they used gas chambers to kill Jews.


> > > No, you'd rather concentrate on hating blacks and Jews.
> >
> > I don't hate anyone except people who work to damage my race.
>
> The problem is, your definition of "damage" to "your race" is rather broad
> and encompasses basically any action by racial groups that you don't like.

No its not all that broad. I'm talking about specific acts that clearly are
dangerous to the White race. The deliberate glamorization and promotion of
interracial marriage, for example.

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Avital Pilpel wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, ipm wrote:
>
> > > Typical delusions of grandeur: if everybody hates me, it's all THEIR
> > > fault. After all, there couldn't bhe anything wrong with MY behavior...
> >
> > That's not what I said at all. I get along with almost everybody.
>
> Unless they disagree with you. Then, all hell breaks loose.

No, not true. I work with a couple of people who are strongly disagree with me on
some issues. We just avoid those issues.



> > powerless, inoffensive, and giving minority. I've know a number of Jews.
>
> Wow, that makes you an expert, then. And I've know a number of Christians,
> too; now, what do you want to know about the evil Christian
> world-domination propaganda?

Anymore, I don't read much in the way of what you would probably call
"anti-Semitic propaganda". Most of the books I've read on the Jewish matters in
the last two years were written by Jews.



>  Some were
> > ok, but in my experience, the ones associated with Nizkor are about the most
> > obnoxious Jews I've ever seen.
>
> I suggest you give the others jew you know your "the holocasut never
> happened" story and then see what their reaction is.

I knew one Jewish woman, a girlfriend of a friend of mine, who became upset
everytime we tried to discuss the holocaust. I don't even think she lost any
relatives in WW2 which is why her reaction kind of struck me a strange. It was
like she was programmed to react that way. Of course, she was extremely liberal on
nearly everything and seemed to get very upset over any opinion that wasn't
politically correct.



> I have afeeling you will suddenly discover ALL jews are "obnoxious" - they
> fail to agree you discovered the awful truth about the evil jewish
> holohoax media world domination plan!

I didn't say that ALL Jews are obnoxious. I'm talking about Jews as a whole. As a
whole Jews tend to be obnoxious, arrogant, and pushy. Many seem to have this
attitude that the world revolves around the Jews. They never do understand gentile
irritation and resentment of their behavior because they honestly don't think
they're doing anything wrong! And so if they don't think their behavior is wrong,
then its not and any criticism by non-Jews is automatically hate or anti-Semitism.
This is how Jews always seem to absolve themselves of any blame for anything. Its
always the rotten goyim who are wrong. This kind of duality is something I believe
is unique to the Jews. Now, that's not to say that no Jew ever contemplates Jewish
behavior, certainly some do, but generally I think Jews do less of it than anyone
else.


> Imagine that!
>
> The only reason the other jews you know don't despise you is, with all
> probabilit,y that they are not aware of your holocasut-denial paranoia.

No, probably half the Jews I've known knew pretty well what my opinions were.
Others, the topic never came up. Its not like the first thing I say to a Jew is
"Hey, what do you think about the holocaust?" Surprisingly, probably some of the
most frank discussions I've had on the holocaust were with one conservative Jew.
You might be interested to know that while he strongly disliked Hitler, he put a
lot of the blame for what happened in Germany at the door of leftist and Marxist
Jews. I think he believed that if more German Jews had been like him - socially
conservative and patriotic, there wouldn't have been an anti-Jewish reaction in
the first place. He probably has a point on that.



> The only difference between the "nizkooks" and the other jews you know is
> that the "nizkooks" know what you're really like...

No, you people bring out the worst in anyone due to your nasty attitude and
constant insults. Believe me, Nizkor does nothing to help the imagine of Jews. If
anything, you people constantly reaffirm anti-Jewish ideas.

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Tim Stevens wrote:

> ipm  wrote in message news:381B7FF1.ABFE45E@usaor.net...
>
> > some Jews are even recognizing the trouble caused by this constant beating
> of the
> > holocaust drum:
> >
> As has often been mentioned Holocaust deniers use a dual contradictory
> strategy:
> (1) They deny that the Holocaust ever happened.

I deny that it happened the way the Jews say. Many Jews died. I don't deny that.



> (2) They assert that the Jews deserved it anyway.

No, what I have meant is that Jewish behavior created a reaction among the
Germans. But, I'll bet the most powerful and subversive Jews never saw a
concentration camp. They probably sat out the war somewhere else. See, you keep
starting with what the gentiles did to the Jews. You never start with the
question of what were the Jews doing that caused a modern civilized nation to
turn against them.



> Having been unable to refute the mountain of evidence supporting the
> Holocaust, Herr Scott resorts to strategem two.

I think I have said numerous times over the past four years that even if
everything you say about the holocaust is true, that doesn't excuse the way Jews
use it politically here in the US. I've told you people over and over that the
details of whatever was done to Jews by Germany is of minor importance to me
compared to how Jews use the holocaust to promote false guilt among gentiles and
to gain undeserved sympathy. I think you have to be very ignorant not to realize
how often the holocaust is used for some self-serving politrical purpose by
various Jews.



> This time what he resorts to
> is the fact that there are many Jews in Israel who, playing the victim role,
> have used it to drive out the Arabs from some of their lands. By extension,
> he tries to implicate *all* Jews as being worthy of the Holocaust (which
> would even include the author of this article), and tries to pave the way
> for a renewed acceptance of neo-Naziism as this country and the world enters
> the 21st century.

My main point is that overall Jews are hypocritical.



> What he deliberately understates, while mentioning it, is the fact that this
> article was written by a Jewish writer on behalf of the majority of of
> people in Israel who are outraged by those on the right who are misusing the
> very real fact of the Jewish Holocaust in order to justify dispossessing the
> Palestinians of their lands.

If the majority of Jews in Israel disapprove of their government's policy on the
Palestinians, why don't they change it? I think your estimate is way off and in
reality the mahjority of Israeli Jews support their government's policies.



> None of this takes away from the central fact that the political party
> called the Nazis who arose in Germany set to work in systematically
> murdering millions of people, targeting first and foremost the Jews, much as
> Herr Scott would like it to.

Whatever Germany did to Jews obviously didn't work, so why would I ever want to
repeat it?



> Nobody; Jews, Palestinians, Germans, or anyone
> else deserves to be the target of hatred aimed at the destuction of people
> different than they. We are here to m,ake sure that you and your fellow Nazi
> swine never have the chance to do so.

I favor nationalism and mutual respect for everybody. I'll mind my business and
if you leave me alone you have nothing to worry about. However, I want nothing
to do with minority manipulation of my country.

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Ed Kadach wrote:

> ipm wrote:
>
> > McVay needed a long-overdue lesson on respect for people's privacy and I had an
> > opportunity to be the teacher.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > ipm
>
> A job well done in teaching him a lesson. You're an excellent
> teacher but Kenny is a poor student.

Thanks, it took a little effort and I had to suffer some abuse, but I believe this
example of McVay's shameless hypocrisy will stand forever. Its one thing to have many
isolated and various examples spread over months and years, but I think this one example
is so obvious that anyone should be convinced.



> As a 'shabbas goy' Ken
> only understands what his puppetmasters instruct him to think
> and believe. At 60 years of age,  Ken I fear is beyond hope
> and with his end approaching he will only be remembered as a
> 'race traitor'.

Yes, I think you're right. But, IMO, even if McVay were to have a miraculous conversion
to our side, would we want him? I wouldbn't. I think his basic personality is pretty
much cast in stone and a mere ideological switch wouldn't alter that. He'd still be a
mean, petty, arrogant, and obnoxious man. I know I wouldn't want him acting as any
representative for the racialist cause. Better for us that he's working for the Jews.


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Orac wrote:

> In article <3819F195.8752CB48@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>
> > Orac wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3819509D.73E4140A@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Personally, I have nothing whatsoever to do with Ernst Zundel. I am not a
> > > > financial supporter of Zundel. I have no personal contact with him at all.
> > > >
> > > > He and I are two totally separate persons. We're not even ideologically
> > > aligned.
> > > > He's a revisonist. I'm a racial separatist.
> > >
> > > There's a difference?
> >
> > Lots, but I don't feel like getting into yet another useless dicussion
> with you
> > on the issue other than to say there's many revisionists who aren't
> racialists.
>
> But there aren't many that I've seen who aren't anti-Semites. They share
> that with racists like you.

Well, maybe that comes from the fact that a lot of Jewish activity is so arrogant,
self-serving and subversive. The shameless exploitation of the holocaust creates
allies among people who might normally not have a lot in common.



> > Look at Bradley Smith. He's married to a Vietnamese woman. Some
> racialist, huh?
> > There's many racialists who have little or no interest in revisionism.
>
> No, you'd rather concentrate on hating blacks and Jews.

I don't hate anyone except people who work to damage my race.

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RockyMtnCougar wrote:

> In article <381A00AC.584D4DBA@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
> > "Andrew A. Skolnick" wrote:
> > > ipm wrote:
> > >
> > > > McVay needed a long-overdue lesson on respect for people's
> > privacy and I had an
> > > > opportunity to be the teacher.
> > >
> > > Like hell you were. All you did was provide another reason
> > > for the FBI and other authorities to keep an eye on you.
> > My record is completely spotless. I haven't even had a traffic
> > ticket in 20 years.
>
> Translation: The truck in front of my trailer has been on blocks for 20
> years.

Even I got a chuckle out of that one.



> If
> > the police keep an eye on me they'll probably fall asleep.
> > > Imagine, threatening to "hold the feet" of a witness in a
> > > criminal case "to the fire." No wonder you Nazis lost the
> > > war -- all hate and no brains.
> > My postings had nothing to do with any trial and you know that.
>
> If it didn't, Willi, then explain your own words here "You know, when
> someone screws their friends over real good like she did, they're glad
> to tell me what I want to know."
>
> If your refrence to "screws their friends over real good like she did"
> doesn't mean the trial, then what DOES it mean?

Her former friends in the local area here in Pa. - all women, BTW. These people
have nothing to do with any trials in Canada. The trial she testified in is over
and done with anyway. I don't have time to keep up with all of Zundel's
controversies in Canada.



> And while you're at it, please tell us how "Of course, she could have
> avoided any interest at all by simply keeping her big mouth shut, but
> no, she had to run to Kenny and tell him all kinds of stories." doesn't
> have anything to do with the trial.

I'm taking strictly about what she told him about "William Scott". I don't have
anything to do with that trial. It wasn't even being discussed. My statements
were made in the context of McVay's announcement that she told him something
about "William Scott." He brought her name into this, not me.


>  I
> > don't know anything
> > about that trial anyway except that that case was over two years
> > ago. What bullshit. My
> > postings had to do with showing what a pathetic hypocrite McVay
> > really is. Maybe he
> > should start respecting other people's privacy for a change.
>
> You want to be totally private? Get off the Internet. Privacy is a two
> way street. If you want to open your big, bigoted, white trash mouth
> then you've got to lose some privacy. Keep it closed and no one knows
> what a little Nazi scum you are.

That's a bullshit excuse for McVay's activities. Do you think there aren't
people on the Net who's views make me want to puke? Hundreds! But since I'm not
a weasel and have some respect for people's privacy, I leave them alone as long
as they don't bother me. I don't care if they post to the usenet or what they
do. OTOH, McVay constantly harrasses people with his stupid postings of personal
information. I don't do that.



> You want to be able to preach then you can't be ducking behind the
> pulpit.

I am a American citizen. that means I can say whatever the hell I want no matter
if you call it preaching or what. You're no dictator of what people are allowed
to say. If I want to call myself the Lone Ranger and post 5,000 messages per day
its none of your damn business. If you don't like what I have to say, don't read
it. Or if you want to argue, that's ok too.



> Irene Zundel, however, isn't in these newsgroups. She's not coming in
> here to tell anyone about anything. You are. She's trying to stay
> private. You aren't. Major difference.

That's not true. She gave McVay information she obviously assumed he would make
public. And that's what he did. But as I said before, I don't care about that as
much as Mcvay's hypocrisy. As far as I'm concerned, Irene Zundel is a louse and
I don't want anything to do with her. Let her blab to anyone who wants to listen
- wherever she is. The only reason I said anything about her after McVay
mentioned her as a source is because I knew that the great hypocrite McVay would
react just as he did, all full of hypocritical outrage and phony indignation
that I might post some personal info on his source. Of course, the most
nauseating part is that McVay routinely goes out of his way to post personal
info on anybody he can and you and all the other Nizkooks thinks that's great.
But when somebody posts something on one of your friends, then all of a sudden
posting any personal info is just terrible. Your double standards reek!



> Ken's real name is out there. He's made public speaking engagements in
> at least three countries that I'm aware of. He's not hiding. You are.
> Major difference.

That's exactly right. Kenny is a public person who lives off handouts from the
public, yet hides behind B'nai B'rith. That's why he's a hypocrite. I'm just a
private individual who makes an honest living and minds my own business. Posting
to the Net doesn't make someone a "public person."




> For
> > four years I've put up
> > with his constant poking into my private life. I haven't done that
> > to anyone before this
> > and I have no plans on making it my practice. Of course, McVay
> > will probably continue,
> > but at least I demonstrated to any moral person just what a
> > two-faced hypocrite he is.
> > I consider myself to be a cut above the ex-gas jockey.
>
> And ex-Marine. What's your service record, Willi the Limp? Got a DD-214
> you can have scanned?

Yes, I have a DD-214 somewhere. I haven't seen it for 20 years. But my service
record is about as much your business as are my IRS tax forms.



> C'mon, such a brave "let's get some friends together and go scare a
> lone woman" Aryan superman has got to have been in uniform, right?

You're feverish brain is working overtime today.

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Orac wrote in message ...
>In article <381BAB6A.129598BD@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:

>> I think I have said numerous times over the past four years that even if
>> everything you say about the holocaust is true, that doesn't excuse the
>way Jews
>> use it politically here in the US. I've told you people over and over
that the
>> details of whatever was done to Jews by Germany is of minor importance to
me
>> compared to how Jews use the holocaust to promote false guilt among
>gentiles and
>> to gain undeserved sympathy. I think you have to be very ignorant not to
>realize
>> how often the holocaust is used for some self-serving politrical purpose
by
>> various Jews.
>
>In other words, six million dead Jews killed by your hero Hitler are not
>as important as a few Jews who may have used the memory of these six
>million dead in ways that you do not approve of.


Hitler is not my hero. Although I think he had many good ideas, I can't
forget that he subjugated and/or killed far more Aryans than Jews. Hitler
was a German nationalist, not a Pan Aryanist or White separatist.







From morgan@usaor.net Mon Nov  1 01:21:07 EST 1999
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From: "morgan" 
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Orac wrote in message ...
>In article <381B81E5.A158DF7@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>>Yes, I believe they wanted
>>Jews out of western Europe. I believe as many as a million Jews died under
>>German auspices either by deliberate killing or bad conditions in the
>camps. No,
>>I don't believe they used gas chambers to kill Jews.
>
>In other words, you do not believe that the Holocaust, which, as commonly
>understood by historians, consisted of Germany's intentional killing of
>millions of Jews by various means, including shootings and hangings by the
>Einsatzgruppen, overwork and starvation in work camps, and gassings in
>death camps, actually happened. That would mean that your answer to my
>question is, in fact, no, your statement that you can't answer it that way
>notwithstanding.


I think I said that Germany killed many Jews through various means, but I'm
just not convinced on this gassing angle. Too many inconsistancies for one
thing.



>Given that you clearly do not accept that Hitler did such things, perhaps
>you can share with us your evidence that led you to this conclusion and
>explain how it trumps the evidence accumulated over decades that Hitler
>did indeed do these things.


So what you saying is that unless I accept the whole ball of wax as you
present it, then I'm a "holocaust denier?" That's a really weird thing. I
mean I could dispute any aspect of the suppression and murders committed by
the Soviet regimes and nobody would call me a "Soviet denier" or a
"communist denier."


>>No its not all that broad. I'm talking about specific acts that clearly
are
>>dangerous to the White race. The deliberate glamorization and promotion of
>>interracial marriage, for example.
>
>And how, specifically, is this done, and what is your evidence that "Jews"
>are doing it?


Yes, through the media. Jewish-controlled MTV is probably the worst at
promoting racemixing to young people.

The ADL and SPLC propaganda promoting "diversity" and integration in
schools.






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Orac wrote in message ...
>In article <381BAB6A.129598BD@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:

>> I think I have said numerous times over the past four years that even if
>> everything you say about the holocaust is true, that doesn't excuse the
>way Jews
>> use it politically here in the US. I've told you people over and over
that the
>> details of whatever was done to Jews by Germany is of minor importance to
me
>> compared to how Jews use the holocaust to promote false guilt among
>gentiles and
>> to gain undeserved sympathy. I think you have to be very ignorant not to
>realize
>> how often the holocaust is used for some self-serving politrical purpose
by
>> various Jews.
>
>In other words, six million dead Jews killed by your hero Hitler are not
>as important as a few Jews who may have used the memory of these six
>million dead in ways that you do not approve of.


Hitler is not my hero. Although I think he had many good ideas, I can't
forget that he subjugated and/or killed far more Aryans than Jews. Hitler
was a German nationalist, not a Pan Aryanist or White separatist.







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Orac wrote in message ...
>In article <381B81E5.A158DF7@usaor.net>, ipm  wrote:
>>Yes, I believe they wanted
>>Jews out of western Europe. I believe as many as a million Jews died under
>>German auspices either by deliberate killing or bad conditions in the
>camps. No,
>>I don't believe they used gas chambers to kill Jews.
>
>In other words, you do not believe that the Holocaust, which, as commonly
>understood by historians, consisted of Germany's intentional killing of
>millions of Jews by various means, including shootings and hangings by the
>Einsatzgruppen, overwork and starvation in work camps, and gassings in
>death camps, actually happened. That would mean that your answer to my
>question is, in fact, no, your statement that you can't answer it that way
>notwithstanding.


I think I said that Germany killed many Jews through various means, but I'm
just not convinced on this gassing angle. Too many inconsistancies for one
thing.



>Given that you clearly do not accept that Hitler did such things, perhaps
>you can share with us your evidence that led you to this conclusion and
>explain how it trumps the evidence accumulated over decades that Hitler
>did indeed do these things.


So what you saying is that unless I accept the whole ball of wax as you
present it, then I'm a "holocaust denier?" That's a really weird thing. I
mean I could dispute any aspect of the suppression and murders committed by
the Soviet regimes and nobody would call me a "Soviet denier" or a
"communist denier."


>>No its not all that broad. I'm talking about specific acts that clearly
are
>>dangerous to the White race. The deliberate glamorization and promotion of
>>interracial marriage, for example.
>
>And how, specifically, is this done, and what is your evidence that "Jews"
>are doing it?


Yes, through the media. Jewish-controlled MTV is probably the worst at
promoting racemixing to young people.

The ADL and SPLC propaganda promoting "diversity" and integration in
schools.







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