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In message <842828815$440@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>
:>
:>In article <842770985$17851@atype.com>, RICK KANN 
:>writes:
:>
:>The civil rights movement was faced with similar problems in the 60's. The
:>environmental movement faced it in the 70's. If you believe in your rights
:>as strongly as they did in theirs, and if those rights are reasonable, you
:>can ultimately convince the press and society, even if it is only one
:>little step at a time.

You are forgetting something very important, and that is the media, even 
thirty years ago, were dominated by liberals who were sympathetic to both the 
so-called 'civil rights' movement and, to a slightly lesser degree, the 
environmentalists. Today, the idea of 'restoring the Constitution' or the 
ethics and morality of Traditional America, etc., are ideas totally at alien 
with their basic philosophy. The media remains almost exclusively anti-gun, 
pro-left, pro-government, pro-homosexual, pro-immigration, 
pro-multiculturalism, etc., etc. At the present time, the government is 
largely under control of liberal types who seemingly can't understand why 
anyone could be critical of the government and the media. Unless, of course, 
that they are not liberal ENOUGH. 

Just one example is the media treatment of Tim McVeigh compared to Ted 
Kazinski. Towards McVeigh they were openly hostile and, in typical 
knee-jerk fashion, called for a crackdown on militias and rightwingers of 
every kind; all the way from Rush Limbaugh to the KKK. They wanted to censor 
anyone on the right who dared to criticize the government. They went 
hysterical over the book the Turner Diaries and claimed it inspired him to 
bomb the Oklahoma building. McVeigh, was according to them, evil incarnate 
because he was a rightwinger, suspected militia member, possible racist.

Now look at the treatment given to Kazinski. I read major articles which were 
sympathetic to this extreme leftist/environmentalist. It was reported 
that he was obsessed with Al Gore's environmental book, but we heard no 
condemnation of it as having inspired Kazinski's bombing spree. No, Kazinski 
was a just nice guy who went astray. Why? Because he was a liberal. You can 
get sympathy from the leftist-conrolled media even if you deliberately murder 
people, but only if you're a liberal.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844220883$29363@atype.com> - smaceach@polar.Bowdoin.EDU (Scott MacE
achern) writes:
:>
:>
:>Oh, dearie me... do they come out of the woodwork at the start of the
:>month, or what?
:>
:>vincent@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:
:>
:>>It was not a democratic
:>>decision on the part of White Americans to integrate and today I
:>>believe that we suffer from the effects of this forced  "equality" .
:>
:>First they take away your slaves, then they make you drink at the same
:>fountains. Now they're gonna make you stop beating up on interracial
:>dating. Where will it all end?

Ok, since you mentioned "beating-up", please answer two questions to see if 
you ever bother to know what you're talking about: 

1)How many interracial crimes are committed annually in America and what 
precentage are White on Black and Black on White?

2)How many interracial rapes occur annually in America, and what percentage 
are Black on White or White on Black?



:> Blonde, long narrow skulls and dumb as a sack of
:>hammers. Like Aryans, kind of, but friendlier...

Your statement makes absolutely no sense. It's only insulting and 
clearly reflects your own self-hatred, and in a healthy society, people 
who think like that would be seeking psychological treatment for low 
self-esteem and suicidal urges (that's really what you're spouting).

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844218184$29170@atype.com> - medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. M
edintz) writes:
:>
:>
:>Whilst completely naked, $N spake:
:>
:>>Shouldn't we consider the consiquences of becoming a minority in what
:>>has been for over 200 years, a majority White nation?
:>
:>Consequences? The only consequence that I see here in the Midwest is that
:>becoming a Klan member will be a source of public humiliation.

You're hallucinating. If you want to know what a majority non-white America 
will be like just go to Detriot, South-Central L.A., in fact, any area of ANY 
major city where non-whites predominante. It's not a pretty picture, and 
perhaps you might be also interested that they don't like "Whitey" either.


:>And as a white male midwesterner, I look forward to that. I welcome the day
:>that racists are exposed as the ignorant losers that they are.

Hell, I think we found the problem here. You need to spend some time amongst 
those that you think you would like to rule over you. Especially, since you 
seem to take a sick pleasure in the idea of non-whites taking your country 
away - the typical pathological thinking of a liberal. 

Yea, yea, yea, we're all a bunch of ignorant, redneck, "losers". You forgot 
to mention that we never finished high school and that we beat our wives. You 
just keep on believing that nonsense.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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Gun Control

(An article from NATIONAL VANGUARD magazine by Dr. William L. Pierce)

Many things divide White Americans: differing religious beliefs, differing 
life-styles and educational attainments, differing opinions as to whether the 
Democrats or the Republicans should be hanged first, differing tastes in 
music and art. Any issue one raises -- moral, political, or cultural -- will 
have some White Americans on one side and some on the other. A person with a 
cause may use any of these divisions for judging another person's likely 
partisanship: that man is a factory worker, so he probably will be opposed to 
lowering trade barriers against Third World products; or that man collects 
Louis Armstrong records, so he probably is on the wrong side of the racial 
question. For the patriot concerned about the preservation of his people's 
freedom or for the racially conscious person concerned about the survival of 
his race, however, there is hardly a more significant touchstone issue than 
that of gun control. 

Among patriots one will find men and women raised in Catholic homes standing 
alongside freethinkers and persons raised as Presbyterians or Baptists. Among 
racially conscious White Americans, some are rock fans and some abhor rock 
music and the culture from which it sprang. But among persons devoted to 
freedom or those devoted to the survival and progress of the race one will 
find very few persons indeed who are in favor of surrendering their arms to 
the government. There is a great temperamental and ideological divide between 
those who believe in self-defense and those who believe in surrendering and 
begging for mercy.

On the temperamental side of the matter, it may seem unfair to women to 
categorize the tendency to surrender as feminine and the tendency to fight as 
masculine, but at a very fundamental level this classification corresponds to 
real differences between feminine and masculine natures. Every person has 
some of the feminine nature and some of the masculine nature in his 
character. What we see today is a greater than normal manifestation of 
feminine traits in men. It is not a pretty sight.

If we look at the matter ideologically, the salient fact is that, except for 
a relatively small minority of very sick persons who actually relish the idea 
of surrender and fantasize about being victimized by a "big, strong, brutally 
masculine" Black criminal, those who choose to give up their arms are hoping 
to be protected by the government. They trust the government. They believe 
the government has their best interests at heart. They think of the 
government as a friend and generally approve of the government's policies. 
Bill Clinton is a beloved father figure to them.

This divide becomes deeper and wider by the day. A Black with an 
uncontrollable hatred of Whites opens fire on a crowded subway train in New 
York, killing five Whites (and an Asian woman) and injuring 17 more. Gun 
control advocates see this massacre as support for their position. "A gun 
killed and wounded those people," they say. "If we get rid of all the guns, 
then Blacks and Whites will not be able to kill each other." And people on 
one side of the divide believe them and clamor for the confiscation of guns. 
At the same time people on the other side of the divide rush to gun stores, 
determined that they will be prepared to defend themselves if any 
White-hating Black ever threatens them or their families. 

Causes of the Divide

Who or what has created this divide among us? It certainly didn't exist a 
century ago. Then every White man was armed, and every woman expected him to 
be. The masochists and the inverts were such a tiny minority that, for all 
practical purposes, they didn't count. And in that more civilized age violent 
crime was a minute fraction of what it is today. People could walk the 
streets of their cities at night and, in most places, leave their doors 
unlocked without fear. The government interfered relatively little in 
people's lives. Most communities had police, but a man's right to defend 
himself, his family, and his property was absolute. What caused people's 
attitudes to change so radically?

There are a number of reasons for the change, some much more important than 
others. We'll examine them one at a time:

  *   A century ago the country was substantially less urban than it is now. 
People living in small towns and rural areas always are more self-reliant and 
independent, on the average, than city dwellers. Rural people live a little 
more naturally, a little closer to Nature. They do not depend on the 
elaborate infrastructure of the city, which provides garbage collection, 
public transportation, shelters for the homeless, and a thousand other 
protections and shields against the natural world. Even little things, like 
drawing water from one's own well and chopping one's own firewood for winter 
warmth, give one a sense of reality and self-sufficiency that most urbanites 
and suburbanites lack. As the nation's population became more urban it also 
became less self-reliant.

  *   Until 1920 only men voted in the United States (except in elections for 
local offices in some jurisdictions). To the extent that politicians and 
government are responsive to the feelings of the electorate, the government 
was much less inclined before 1920 to assume the role of a protective mother 
than it was after women began to vote. Although women voters are by no means 
uniform in their sentiments or their voting preferences, they are on the 
average substantially more "wet," in the ideological sense, than men. At the 
most basic, instinctive level, self-defense is an alien concept to women, and 
since 1920 their votes have helped to shift the burden of personal protection 
>from  the individual to the government.

  *   In the early years of North American settlement, the flow of immigrants 
was not only entirely White (not counting the slaves imported from Africa, of 
course), but it consisted of a tougher, more independent breed than in recent 
years. People came to America from Europe seeking freedom, adventure, or 
opportunity; certainly, no one came looking for a handout, because everyone 
understood that there were no handouts available. As the country became more 
urban, however, the stream of immigrants began to include more of the 
wretched refuse of various teeming shores yearning to receive welfare checks, 
and the politicians began looking to the public treasury as a source of funds 
for buying votes. The consequence has been the growth of an urban underclass 
of citizens dependent on the government in one way or another. Some of these 
people, living as they do in an especially violent environment, may feel an 
acute need of firearms for personal protection, but they have no appreciation 
of the relationship between political freedom and the right to keep and bear 
arms. They always are ready to increase their dependency on the government 
and to trade freedom for the promise of more security.

The Role of the Jews

All three of the factors above have to do with the changing character of the 
U.S. electorate, and they are important reasons for the declining fortunes of 
the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. They are dwarfed to 
insignificance by a fourth factor, however: the growth in the degree of 
influence on public opinion of the Jews through their control of the mass 
media of information and entertainment (see National Vanguard Books 
publication #491, Who Rules America?). Both the Jewish control of the media 
and the media bias against the citizen's right to keep and bear arms are 
generally recognized but seldom discussed publicly, for fear of the charge of 
"anti-Semitism." Also manifest but inadequately publicized is the Jewish 
leadership of the legislative drive to restrict or abolish the private 
ownership of firearms. The names of the principal anti-Second Amendment 
legislators -- Feinstein, Metzenbaum, Schumer -- tell part of the story, and 
the anti-gun lobbying organizations, of which the Anti-Defamation League of 
B'nai B'rith (ADL) is the most powerful, tell the rest. 

When a "group of concerned citizens" or an association of mayors or chiefs of 
police issues a statement to the press calling for the banning of firearms as 
a way of reducing violence in America's cities, a close examination nearly 
always will reveal the hidden hand of the ADL. Unlike other anti-gun groups, 
most of which seek publicity for their programs of gun control or gun 
confiscation, the ADL prefers to work behind the scenes, in part because many 
of its activities are illegal. It usually will assemble a front group of 
Christian ministers or local bureaucrats and politicians or other easily 
manipulated persons and use them as a "hired mouth" to advance the ADL 
agenda. The payoff for the members of the front group will be guaranteed 
favorable media coverage, expense-paid "fact finding" trips to Israel for 
group leaders, and, in the case of the politicians, generous campaign 
contributions. Especially insidious has been the ADL's use of local, state, 
and federal police agencies as front groups. For the past two decades the ADL 
has been lobbying actively for a group of what it calls "model statutes": 
restricting firearms ownership, prohibiting paramilitary training, and 
penalizing what it deems to be "hate crimes" perpetrated by Whites against 
members of minority groups. Typically the ADL will have a police official or 
two in tow when it shows up at a state legislature to lobby for one of these 
politically oriented laws.

The ADL's program to subvert police departments was revealed in late 1992 
when a San Francisco police inspector, Thomas Gerard, was arrested for 
illegally selling confidential police investigative files to the ADL. Police 
searches of ADL offices in San Francisco and Los Angeles in April 1993 turned 
up evidence of widespread corruption of police agencies around the country by 
the ADL. There was a flurry of publicity about the ADL's activities in the 
spring and early summer of 1993, but the ADL's formidable political clout was 
used to squelch incipient prosecutions, and its friends in the media sharply 
limited the information released to the public. Today the ADL continues its 
cosy relationship with hundreds of police agencies and corrupt police 
officials, providing racial and sexual "sensitivity" training for White 
police personnel, act-ing as a source of expert information on "White 
extremists," and using local police officials as fronts for its legislative 
program. Brave indeed is the police chief who will turn away an ADL emissary 
who visits his office with a couple of the community's leading Jewish 
businessmen and requests the chief's endorsement of a "model statute" banning 
semiautomatic firearms.

Preparing for the New World Order

Far less obvious than the fact of Jewish leadership of the drive to ban the 
private ownership of firearms is the reason for this Jewish activity. In 
order to understand the latter one must examine more than the Jewish campaign 
against firearms owners. Indeed, one must uncover the entire Jewish agenda 
for America and the world. To epitomize this agenda: Jews are the prime 
movers behind the push for the so-called "New World Order," a system 
described elsewhere in this magazine.In the United States the number of 
people likely to take up arms against an oppressive government is not large 
at this time. We live in an age when comfort and safety are valued more 
highly than freedom. If economic conditions worsen substantially, however, 
those few willing to fight for freedom may persuade many others who are more 
concerned with their pocketbooks than their honor or their freedom to take up 
arms as well, and then the New World Order will be in serious trouble.

What all the foregoing means is that the present drive to disarm American 
citizens is motivated by a fear of rebellion, not by a fear of crime. The 
Jews, along with the politicians and bureaucrats who have willingly 
collaborated with them, are increasingly concerned that they may be called to 
account by an outraged citizenry for the ruining of the nation. Bill and 
Hillary Clinton do not want to end up in a bloody ditch like Romania's 
Nicolae and Elena Ceaucescu. They know that as the New World Order program of 
"globalization" proceeds, millions of newly dispossessed citizens will be 
angry and desperate. If these citizens still have firearms in their 
possession, they may strike at their despoilers. Crime, on the other hand, is 
no threat to people who live in closely guarded mansions and go everywhere 
surrounded by armed escorts.

Patriots need to understand this fact as well as their enemies do, and they 
must not be bashful about stating it plainly and forcefully.  They need to 
drop the pretense that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect the 
rights of hunters, target shooters, and collectors of antique firearms. When 
Congressman Schumer or Senator Metzenbaum holds a semiautomatic rifle or 
pistol up for the television cameras and says that "no legitimate sportsman 
needs a weapon like this," he is laughing up his sleeve at the same time.

The needs of sportsmen and hobbyists are utterly without importance or 
significance when compared with the two serious needs served by the private 
ownership of firearms: the need of the individual for weapons with which to 
protect his person, his family, and his property against the growing hordes 
of criminals in our disintegrating society; and the need of the patriot for 
weapons with which to keep governmental tyranny in check.

It is not a matter of chance that now, when Americans find themselves with 
more need than at any time since Colonial days for weapons both for personal 
self-defense and for resistance to tyranny, they also find so many of their 
fellow citizens morally degraded to the point that they are unwilling to 
defend either themselves or their liberty.

The Racial Factor

Another aspect of the way in which public opinion on the issue of firearms 
has been manipulated by the controlled media is the racial aspect. It is 
clear that the enormous increase in crime and violence in America's cities is 
closely related to America's changing racial complexion. Those who are able 
to remember America as it was before the Second World War remember a life as 
different from that of today as day is from night. Drugs and gangs of Blacks, 
Puerto Ricans, or mestizos in the schools? Drive-by shootings? They didn't 
exist. Burglary and armed robbery were so rare that when such a crime did 
occur it was the talk of the town for months afterward. Readers who find it 
difficult to believe that such an America ever existed need only view a few 
motion pictures from the 1930s or early 1940s: Look at the crowds on the 
streets. Look at the students on the university campuses. Look at the faces 
in the offices and factories. It was a White America.

Even America in the 15 years between the war and the 1960s was a vastly 
gentler and kinder country than it is today. The drugs and violence endemic 
in the non-White community had not been permitted to spread to the White 
community. White children still could play in fields or vacant lots near 
their homes without fear. No one ever was killed or raped on a school 
playground. But then the planners of the New World Order decided that the 
time had come to begin transforming America, to begin getting it ready to fit 
into their scheme of things. Blacks and Whites must be integrated, without 
regard for the consequences! The immigration barriers must come down: bring 
in the wretched refuse as fast as the boats can unload them! The pattern of 
segregation protecting White neighborhoods and White schoolchildren must go! 
Strike down the laws against miscegenation! Down with apartheid, wherever it 
exists! It is astonishing how easily White Americans permitted themselves to 
be dispossessed in their own land. It is disgusting how many of them 
collaborated in the campaign of genocide against their own people -- and 
still do. Of course, the New World Order boys had an immensely powerful 
weapon in their hands by the 1960s, and they used it with deadly skill: 
television. Americans let themselves be persuaded by the puppeteers 
manipulating the images on their television screens that racial integration 
was fashionable, that Black music and the Black life-style were fashionable. 
Younger White Americans even let themselves be persuaded -- during the 1960s 
and 1970s, at least -- that drugs were fashionable. When the changes of the 
1960s brought nothing but evil, White Americans let themselves be persuaded 
that the cure for the evil was more change of the same sort: much more!

If there is a just God in heaven, he must laugh in scorn when he hears White 
Americans whining now about drugs and crime and violence and how they are 
afraid for the future.

It is clear enough to any reasonable person who examines the facts that crime 
and violence came to America as a direct and immediate consequence of the 
loss of racial homogeneity in American society. When Blacks and other 
non-Whites were released from their ghettos and came flooding into the White 
world they brought their life-style of drugs, crime, and violence with them. 
The attitudes and behavior of Whites -- especially young Whites -- also 
changed. With the loss of racial and cultural homogeneity went the loss of a 
sense of community. The world in which White boys and girls were growing up 
became more alien, more hostile. It was no longer their world. They no longer 
had a sense of family, of belonging. They no longer had clear standards and 
models, no longer a clear image of what was expected of them. 

When young Whites lost their sense of belonging in the chaotic, racially 
mixed world into which they suddenly were thrust in the 1960s and 1970s many 
of them also lost their sense of responsibility to that world. Many of them 
began behaving like Blacks. Immorality, crime, and violence increased among 
young Whites as among Blacks. It was a natural and inevitable consequence of 
the loss of homogeneity in their world.

Stampeding the Sheep

The increase in crime and violence is an explicable phenomenon. It is easy 
enough to understand. Unfortunately, human decisions seldom are based on 
reason. Even if one could persuade the average, TV-bred White American that 
the only way to eliminate the crime and violence in his world is to restore 
the sense of community which once existed, he would rebel against his own 
reason. He cannot blame the loss of homogeneity for the decline in the 
quality of American life. He cannot blame racial mixing. That would be 
racist! His reason is no more able to prevail against such a powerful, 
TV-generated taboo than the reason of his ancestors a thousand years ago was 
able to prevail against their fear of witches and demons. 

Desperate for relief from the threat of violence around him and restrained by 
his taboos from placing the blame for that violence where it belongs, he is 
easily enough persuaded by the manipulators behind his television screen to 
blame firearms instead. Something must be done. Since he dare not even 
contemplate getting rid of the real cause of violence, then get rid of 
firearms!

The manipulators understand this psychology all too well, and they are 
exploiting it fully in their campaign to disarm Americans. They are using the 
fear of soaring crime and violence to stampede the frightened, unthinking 
voters into letting their only means of protection from this crime and 
violence be taken away from them: into giving up their only means of settling 
scores with the manipulators of the media and their collaborators in the 
government who have made such a cesspool of America.

Crime and violence can only increase, of course, because almost no one has 
the courage and honesty to discuss their real causes, much less to do 
anything realistic about cleaning up the mess that has been made of America. 

Therefore, the stampede will continue until White Americans -- that is, the 
ones who obey all the laws -- have been completely disarmed. Perhaps guns 
will become more difficult for criminals to acquire; perhaps the victims of 
crime will be happier having their throats cut than being shot. Life, 
however, will only become grimmer for White Americans, as they approach 
minority status in the coming century, with no means for defending 
themselves, either individually or collectively.

There are well-meaning fools among the White population who really believe 
that the Jews will come to their senses and reverse their stand on gun 
control when they understand that it won't solve the crime problem. The Jews, 
of course, already understand that quite well. They also understand that they 
have a tiger by the tail and dare not let go. They must take away from the 
White population the tools of rebellion before the consequences of their New 
World Order campaign hit home in full. If armed, racially conscious Whites 
ever again gain the upper hand in America no place on earth will be safe for 
the Jews.

Other fools believe that the Jews' collaborators in the government will wake 
up and stop collaborating when they see where things are heading; after all, 
they're White too. Actually, the collaborators -- people like Bill and 
Hillary Clinton, Janet Reno, Lloyd Bentsen, Al Gore, Daniel Moynihan, Louis 
Freeh, and a thousand others of their ilk -- don't particularly care where 
things are heading, except as it affects their careers and personal fortunes. 
They're all hoping that they'll be able to die comfortably in bed before the 
reckoning comes. But, like the Jews, they know that if the people they have 
lied to and betrayed ever get control of the situation, the reward for 
traitors will be a bloody ditch. That's the kind of government we have.

What the Future Holds

To reiterate: The present campaign to disarm Americans will not abate. 
Neither the Jews nor the government will back away from a goal of total 
disarmament of the civilian population. They won't reach this goal in a 
single step, but they'll continue taking steps until they do reach it. The 
target now is semiautomatic rifles ("assault rifles," to use the misnomer of 
the controlled media), because those are the only weapons with real 
revolutionary potential: they certainly are not weapons used by muggers or 
holdup men. Later it will be all semiautomatic pistols. Then it will be other 
types of handguns. After that it will be all firearms which hold more than 
three cartridges (because "that's all a sportsman really needs"). Then it 
will be all firearms except muzzle-loaders. Somewhere along the line, various 
types of ammunition will be banned ("only a criminal would want a cartridge 
like this"). 

Before too many steps have been taken there will be compulsory registration 
of all firearms and firearm owners, in order to facilitate confiscation later.

This bleak prospect has a silver lining: a very substantial portion of gun 
owners will defy the government and become outlaws rather than give up their 
weapons, if the populations of California and New Jersey are at all 
representative of the country as a whole. When bans on "assault rifles" were 
enacted in those two states very few rifles were registered or turned in 
during the amnesty period.

A California state law passed in 1989 gave the estimated 300,000 owners of 
"assault weapons" in the state until January 1, 1991, to register them and 
banned all further sales. When the deadline passed only 19,000 gun owners -- 
about six per cent -- had complied. 

New Jersey gun owners proved themselves made of even sterner stuff. A law was 
passed in that state in May 1990 banning the possession of semiautomatic 
rifles with detachable magazines and providing for a five-year prison 
sentence for anyone found in possession of such a weapon after June 1, 1991. 
Banned weapons were to be turned over to the state police, disposed of 
outside the state, or rendered inoperable and then registered with the state. 
Certain specified semiautomatic rifles could be kept by gun club members if 
they were used only for target shooting at the clubs. By the end of 1991 only 
four rifles had been turned over to the state police. Another 888 rifles had 
been certified as inoperable, and 947 had been registered as target rifles by 
members of gun clubs.

Altogether the two laws resulted in the creation of an estimated half-million 
armed outlaws in California and New Jersey. Some media spokesmen howled for 
roundups of suspected ban defiers. Criminals currently incarcerated in the 
state prisons could be released to make room for persons found to have 
disobeyed the "assault rifle" ban, they suggested, again showing that it is 
armed patriots, not street criminals, the Jews really fear. 

Such results suggest that when the government finally gets around to 
launching Turner Diaries-style "gun raids" it will have a lot more people to 
deal with than it can comfortably lock up. Bans of the California and New 
Jersey sort also have a marvelously salutary effect on the attitude of the 
people who refuse to comply with the bans. Relatively few of these people are 
militant patriots or committed revolution-aries. The great majority are 
simply people who have enough character to refuse to let themselves be 
stampeded along with the sheep into giving up their only effective means of 
self-defense in a time of civil disorder. Most of them have been law-abiding 
citizens all of their lives, and it is not an easy decision for them to 
consciously disobey the law -- especially a law which could send them to 
prison for five years. They are not happy about being forced to become 
outlaws. Once they have crossed that bridge, however, they should have a much 
healthier attitude toward the government. Most will see it as their enemy. 
Many will be ready to fight it when the time comes for fighting.

In nearly every case, having once steeled themselves to defy the government 
and one of its laws they are in a much better frame of mind to defy the 
government in other matters as well, because they already have overcome their 
awe and fear of the government. They have passed the first test of manhood in 
the new world of repression and revolution we are entering. The more such 
armed, angry outlaws the government makes, the better.

With this understanding of matters, we can make a few additional predictions:

  *   There will be more subway massacres as the disarmament of the civilian 
population proceeds. The feminine approach to race relations only encourages 
aggression against Whites. In South Africa, as Whites gave up trying to keep 
their country and prepared to hand it over to Blacks, emboldened Blacks, 
having lost their respect for and fear of Whites, stepped up their terrorist 
attacks. A similar process will occur in America: as Whites disarm themselves 
in response to soaring Black violence, Blacks will attack them more 
frequently and more violently. The good side of this is that the more attacks 
there are on Whites in the short run, the more Whites will decide to defy the 
government's gun control efforts in the long run. Colin Ferguson's slaughter 
of five Whites on a New York subway train may end up saving thousands of 
White lives during the next major breakdown of order.

  *   The black market in firearms will expand substantially, driven by much 
the same economic forces as those driving the trade in illegal drugs. One big 
difference, however, is that the government will be much more forceful in its 
efforts to stop the illegal trade in firearms than it ever has been in its 
inept "war on drugs." The reason, of course, is that drug dealers and drug 
users are not interested in revolution; a corrupt government, in fact, is a 
necessity for them.

  *   The government's mechanism for repression will increase substantially 
during the next decade. There is much talk now about "putting more policemen 
on the street," ostensibly to reduce crimes of violence, but much of the 
government's law enforcement effort will go instead into various political 
police agencies, along the lines of the FBI and the BATF: plainclothes groups 
with sophisticated intelligence-gathering equipment and a mandate to keep 
Politically Incorrect groups and individuals -- including those who have 
refused to turn in their guns -- under control. Fortunately, other forces 
will be at work to limit the effectiveness of these repressive efforts.

The most significant struggle of the next decade may well be the one between 
the armed enforcers of the New World Order on one side and illegally armed 
patriots on the other. As mentioned above, most Whites who decline to obey 
present or future gun-control laws will not be patriots -- at least, not 
until social and economic conditions worsen substantially. For that reason 
patriots will be obliged to conduct themselves with discretion. They cannot 
win in any direct, armed confrontation with the government until such time as 
the government's ability to defend itself has been reduced by other means.

That time may not be far off. The controlled media try to maintain a brave 
and optimistic front, but the cracks in the government's facade grow visibly 
larger by the month. The Jews' perverse dream of world rule through the New 
World Order, just like the egalitarians' unnatural vision of a forcibly 
equalized world population, already is turning into a nightmare for millions 
of people. The United Nations "peace keepers" can machine-gun only so many 
groups of uppity natives into submission at one time and still retain their 
"good guy" image, and similar constraints apply to the U.S. government's 
ability to keep its increasingly alienated, heterogeneous, and uncivil 
population under control.

Patriots who may be discouraged by their relatively small numbers should keep 
this in mind: It is not their percentage of the overall population which 
matters, or their numbers relative to those of various non-White minority 
groups, but only their strength relative to that of the government's armed 
enforcers. The unarmed members of the population, Black or White, simply 
don't count. Their only roles will be as spectators and victims.

Nor should patriots anguish over the prospect of large numbers of unarmed 
White persons at the mercy of rioting Blacks in the cities as economic and 
social conditions worsen. Whites who have failed to provide for their own 
protection or voluntarily given up their weapons deserve no sympathy. Any 
diminution of their numbers will be eugenic for the race as a whole. 

Patriots really have more in common with their opposite numbers among the 
government's mercenaries than they do with the fearful masses who have chosen 
surrender rather than resistance. At this time, unfortunately, what the two 
groups have in common isn't much: a somewhat more manly attitude than 
average, but very little in the way of mutual sympathy. Throughout our 
history mercenaries nearly always have identified with their paymasters and 
have done without compunction or regret whatever they were paid to do, no 
matter how atrocious. Those who carried out the massacre at Waco in 1993, for 
example, showed no reluctance to commit mass murder and gave no evidence of 
sympathy for their victims, despite the large number of women and children 
among the latter.

Nevertheless, mercenaries, like everyone else, prefer to be on the winning 
side. As disorder increases and the government's grip on the situation 
continues to slip, some of them will have second thoughts about where their 
own interests lie. After all, many of them have wives and children, and the 
type of world their grandchildren will live in may be a matter of increasing 
concern to them. As for the rest, they should be aware that when the time 
comes for settling scores Nuremberg rules will apply: excuses that "I was 
only following orders" won't be acceptable. In any event, it will behoove 
patriots to keep open the lines of communication and perhaps even do a little 
recruiting in the enemy camp from time to time. The task for the immediate 
future is preparation. It is much better to equip oneself now with the means 
of self-defense -- and the means of combatting tyranny -- than it is to wait 
until doing so becomes illegal, difficult, and much more expensive. One 
should think ahead in every way, not just about the difficulties that the 
government's gun control efforts will cause. 

One should consider, for example, the types of situations requiring the use 
of firearms which are likely to arise in the future and not just situations 
which are likely now. That old .45 pistol under the pillow may be all that 
ever will be needed for dealing with a burglar, but in times of civil 
disorder a lot more firepower will be helpful. Every White household should 
have, at the very least, a riot gun or the civilian equivalent (a 12-gauge, 
pump-action or autoloading shotgun with an extended magazine and a barrel cut 
down to 20 inches); a semiautomatic rifle in a military caliber (.308 in., 
223 in., or 7.62x39 mm) with a detachable magazine; and a large-caliber 
handgun for each adult. A minimum of 500 cartridges for each weapon should be 
available.

Another consideration is keeping one's weapons out of the government's hands. 
The people who are trying now to scuttle the Second Amendment would like to 
do away with the First and the Fourth Amendments as well. Almost certainly, 
however, it will be another three or four years before they can routinely 
ignore the Fourth Amendment's requirements of probable cause, supported by 
the sworn statement of a witness, and a specific description of the 
contraband being sought when they want to search a citizen's home or place of 
business for arms. It is important during those next three or four years, 
therefore, to keep one's arms out of sight even in one's own home, so that 
there will be no witnesses who can say to the secret police, "I was in 
So-and-so's home last Thursday, and I saw a semiautomatic rifle in his 
bedroom closet."

Farsighted citizens will think ahead further and make plans now for keeping 
their arms available but secure even after the demise of the Fourth Amendment.

Finally, let every citizen who values his right to keep and bear arms be 
certain of this: the present attack by the government and the controlled 
media on the Second Amendment is not something to be dealt with in isolation. 
It is part and parcel of a larger scheme, and anyone who wants to fight it 
effectively must be willing to fight against this larger scheme as well. 

This admonition will not be welcome to those who are unwilling to take the 
risk of being called "racists" or "anti-Semites." Many citizens are willing 
to speak out for their Second Amendment rights, because that is still 
semi-respectable: the worst they can expect is being labeled "gun cranks" or 
"gun nuts." They know, however, that if they speak out on the racial aspect 
of the violence and criminality plaguing our cities, or if they ask why Jews 
are so nearly unanimous in their support for both the New World Order and gun 
control, they will expose themselves to a torrent of hatred from the media 
and from the ranks of the Politically Correct. And so they remain silent, and 
thereby they abdicate their responsibility as citizens and as adult members 
of their race.

The time for politeness and for avoiding offense is past. This is a time for 
forthrightness and for truth -- the whole truth. The stakes are far too great 
for anything less.The time also is past for selfishness. No man who stands 
alone can prevail against those who are determined to destroy us all. No man 
can be safe, no matter how many guns he has and no matter how well hidden 
they are, when the government takes away all his neighbors' guns. This is a 
time for organization and for concerted action.

It is not yet a time, however, for violence or for overt illegality in the 
defense of our rights. It is a time for preparation and for prudence and for 
forbearance. The time for fighting will come later: the time for cleansing 
our land with fire. It is inevitable. Until then, let us speak the truth, 
stay out of trouble, and keep our powder dry.

(This article was originally published in NATIONAL VANGUARD Magazine, PO Box 
330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA. http://www.natvan.com, http://www.natall.com Fax 
# 304-653-4690  $1 for complete catalog)


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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I know, you've heard the lies. Now read the truth. Gun control always comes 
>from  the Left.



Is Gun Control a Nazi Scheme?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

With gun owners increasingly aware of the Jewish leadership of the gun-banning 
movement, a group of Jews in Milwaukee claiming to be defenders of the Second 
Amendment have been noisily denouncing gun control as a "Nazi" scheme. The 
group, calling themselves Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, 
assert that Adolf Hitler was the father of all gun grabbers. The proof of 
this, they claim, was the German Weapons Law (Waffengesetz) of March 18, 
1938, which was enacted by Germany's National Socialist government. They have 
succeeded in persuading at least one magazine read by firearms enthusiasts to 
publicize their claims repeatedly (Guns and Ammo, May 1993 and March 1994). 
The truth of the matter is that the 1938 German law specifically provided for 
the ownership and carrying of firearms, including handguns, by law-abiding 
German citizens. Jews, of course, were not German citizens -- the National 
Socialists defined citizenship in ethnic terms -- and the law specifically 
barred Jews from having any role in the manufacture of firearms or ammunition 
or from being firearms dealers (but not from purchasing or owning firearms). 
The German law certainly was not an ideal one from the viewpoint of today's 
beleaguered American patriot, because it did have certain licensing 
requirements. A permit (Waffenerwerbschein) was required to buy a handgun 
(but not a long gun), and a separate license (Waffenschein), good for three 
years, was required to carry any firearm in public.Actually, the German law 
was less restrictive than most state and local laws in the United States were 
before the current campaign to nullify the Second Amendment shifted into high 
gear in 1993. More significantly, it ameliorated a law which had been enacted 
ten years earlier by a Left-Center government hostile to the National 
Socialists (the government headed by Wilhelm Marx and consisting of a 
coalition of Socialists and Catholic Centrists). The 1938 law irritated the 
Jews by pointedly excluding them from the firearms business, but it clearly 
was not a law aimed at preventing the ownership or use of firearms, including handguns, for either sporting or self-defense purposes by German citizens. As noted above, it actually relaxed or eliminated the provisions of a pre-existing law.

The facts, in brief, are these:

   *   The National Socialist government of Germany did not fear its 
citizens. Adolf Hitler was the most popular leader Germany has ever had. 

   *   The spirit of National Socialism was one of manliness, and individual 
self-defense and self-reliance were central to the National Socialist view of 
the way a citizen should behave. The notion of banning firearms ownership was 
alien to National Socialism.

   *   Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for handguns) 
were legislated by an anti-National Socialist government in Germany five 
years before the National Socialists gained power. Five years after they 
gained power they got around to rewriting the gun law enacted by their 
predecessors, substantially ameliorating it in the process (for example, long 
guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age 
for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; and the period of validity 
of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years). They may 
be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in 
the law, but they had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from 
keeping or bearing arms.The highlights of the 1938 German Weapons Law (which 
in its entirety fills 12 pages of the Reichsgesetzblatt with legalese), 
especially as it applied to ordinary citizens rather than manufacturers or 
dealers, follow:

   *   Handguns may be sold or purchased only on submission of a Weapons 
Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), which must be used within one year 
>from  the date of issue. Muzzle-loading handguns are exempted from the permit 
requirement.

   *   Holders of a permit to carry weapons (Waffenschein) or of a hunting 
license do not need a Weapons Acquisition Permit in order to acquire a 
handgun.

   *   A hunting license authorizes its bearer to carry hunting weapons and 
handguns.

   *   Firearms and ammunition, as well as swords and knives, may not be sold 
to minors under the age of 18 years.

   *   Whoever carries a firearm outside of his dwelling, his place of 
employment, his place of business, or his fenced property must have on his 
person a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein). A permit is not required, however, 
for carrying a firearm for use at a police-approved shooting range.

   *   A permit to acquire a handgun or to carry firearms may only be issued 
to persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need 
for a permit. In particular, a permit may not be issued to:

1. persons under the age of 18 years;

2. legally incompetent or mentally retarded persons;

3. Gypsies or vagabonds; 

4. persons under mandatory police supervision (i.e., on parole) or   
otherwise temporarily without civil rights; 

5. persons convicted of treason or high treason or known to be engaged in 
activities hostile to the state;

6. persons who for assault, trespass, a breach of the peace, resistance to 
authority, a criminal offense or misdemeanor, or a hunting or fishing 
violation, were legally sentenced to a term of imprisonment of more than two 
weeks, if three years have not passed since the term of imprisonment.

   *   The manufacture, sale, carrying, possession, and import of the 
following are prohibited:

1. "trick" firearms, designed so as to conceal their function (e.g., cane 
guns and belt-buckle pistols);

2. any firearm equipped with a silencer and any rifle equipped with a 
spotlight;

3. cartridges with .22 caliber, hollow-point bullets.

That is the essence. Numerous other provisions of the law relate to firearms 
manufacturers, importers, and dealers; to acquisition and carrying of 
firearms by police, military, and other official personnel; to the maximum 
fees which can be charged for permits (3 Reichsmarks); to tourists bringing 
firearms into Germany; and to the fines and other penalties to be levied for 
violations. (A full text and translation of these German gun laws is 
available from National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA, 
for $14 postpaid.)

The requirements of "trustworthiness" and of proof of need when obtaining a 
permit are troubling, but it should be noted that they were simply carried 
over from the 1928 law: they were not formulated by the National Socialists. 
Under the National Socialists, these requirements were interpreted liberally: 
a person who did not fall into one of the prohibited categories listed above 
was considered trustworthy, and a statement such as, "I often carry sums of 
money," was accepted as proof of need.

The prohibitions of spotlight-equipped rifles and hollow-point .22 caliber 
ammunition were based on considerations that the former were unsporting when 
used for hunting, and the latter were inhumane.

It was not until 1945, when the communist and democratic victors of the 
Second World War had installed occupation governments to rule over the 
conquered Germans that German citizens were denied the right to armed 
self-defense.

Despite these facts, there are a number of people among those who support 
Second Amendment rights who have fallen for the Jewish trick of associating 
gun-grabbing with Hitler and the National Socialists. These people sometimes 
make such statements as, "The first thing Hitler did when he came to power 
was round up all the guns." Such statements are demonstrably false, and when 
they are made by a person who genuinely supports Second Amendment rights they 
reveal the person's ignorance or dishonesty. When they are made by a Jewish 
group it is clear that their intent is to confuse the public and deceitfully 
deflect blame from their fellow Jews.

(This article was originally published in NATIONAL VANGUARD Magazine, PO Box 
330,Hillsboro WV 24946 USA. Fax # 304-653-4690, http://www.natvan.com, 
http://www.natall.com  $1 for complete catalog)

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844401800$7849@atype.com> - mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman) wr
ites:
:>If I were to make a wild hypothesis about racial variation in color,
:>features, etc., it is from their lifestyles >*long*< before any sort
:>of civilized life for mankind.  In other words, people were living in
:>certain regions and had limited exposure to people from other regions
:>for whatever reason for a VERY LONG TIME.  Yet their DNA has
:>essentially the same parameters.  The have the same brains, same
:>bodies, with only the sort of minor variations that are found between
:>ALL isolated groups of man.

I think that you are minimizing the differences between the races. It is very 
difficult to support the idea that brains are the same when Blacks lag behind 
Whites and Asians in IQ by an average of 15 points. That's more than a "minor 
variation." It's the difference between dull and average. It also means that 
a very significant proportion of Blacks fall into the retarded range. Or I 
don't think you could possibly deny that there is a very noticable difference 
in height when comparing pygmies and whites or even congoid negroes. There 
are many significant differences that cannot rationally be denied.

With regard to DNA, humans and apes share a high proportion of DNA, but no 
one is crazy enough to suggest that we are nearly the same as apes.



:> and can be *changed* to encourage another trait
:>at any time.  Humans widely vary in these characterstics, in ALL
:>ethnic groups, so whatever the culture encourages will grow to become
:>predominant for as long as that culture is in place.

Well, now you've got me confused, since you just contradicted your previous 
statement about there being only "minor variations" between races.



:>And a good bit of learning from the native americans.  And the hard
:>labor of african slaves and asian workers.  And a good bit of
:>innovation from those two groups.

The contributions of these groups were minor compared to those of the 
Europeans. I seriously doubt that we learned much of great importance from 
the Indians outside of some wilderness survival skills. On a higher cultural 
level, the Indians contribution was almost zero.


:>The difference is in culture.  It was Europeans who had the culture
:>which initially created the drive for world conquest in the 15 and
:>16th centuries.  It was the *culture* of religious freedom and
:>independent living which drove Europeans (and Jews) to settle North
:>America.  The *culture* is the reason they did this, while other
:>ethnic groups were more concerned with the requirements of their
:>cultures.  *Culture* is not inherent in ethnic groups, it is learned.

If I follow your logic then culture must have predated humans. People create 
culture and not the other way around. Culture originally came from race, so 
any relatively isolated group that created a strong and creative culture must 
have done so by their own ability. If two isolated groups create their 
respective cultures and one has proven to be superior - in the crudest sense, 
more powerful - then there must have been some intellectual abilities had by 
the creators of the greater culture, which were lacking in the lesser one.


:>While northern europeans and the steppe caucasians were prancing
:>around on horses, fucking wildy, and such, inventing nothing much of
:>their own, various other ethnic groups (other caucasians, northern
:>africans, the chinese, etc.) with distinct cultures were creating
:>*civilization*, you know with fancy things like writing and
:>governments and such.  

This is nonsense. For example, writing was unknown to Black Africans until 
introduced by, first the Arabs, and then later re-introduced by Europeans. 
Nearly all of the supposed remnants of more advanced societies that exist in 
Africa were products of caucasian incursions. Black Africa never invented the 
wheel, a sail boat, bronze, in other words, not much of anything above the 
stone-age level. Of course, I give the Chinese credit for their 
accomplishments, but there was much more going-on in Europe than you are 
willing to admit. I suggest you read some history. 

In the case of North Africa, there had been several migrations of Northern 
Europeans into that area. For at time, at least, one tribe controlled a 
fairly large area there.


:>If there were some inherent culture in northern
:>europeans, they would still be living that same primitive lifestyle.

A bigotted statement.


:>The northern europeans were *very slow* to adopt civilized culture.
:>In fact, Russians, Germans and other groups didn't do so until a lot
:>more recently than you obviously realize, and only thanks to that Jew
:>invention, Christianity.

Compared to Africa, they were very, very far ahead. Of course, you're 
conveniently forgetting about Whites who conquered what is now known as 
India. That was at least 4,000 years ago. The physical appearance of these 
people can now be established as European from the magnificently preserved, 
4-5000 year-old mummies excavated by the Chinese over the past twenty years. 
Nearly all had blonde, red, or light brown hair, and looked like modern 
European Whites. Their clothing was still in nearly perfect condition and was 
obviously the product of an advanced society. In light of this 
discovery, scientists are rethinking China and are now suspecting that 
some advancements previously attributed to the Asians may have actually been 
introduced by the Whites.


:>Any given black person or asian might (probably is in your case) be
:>smarter, faster, stronger, etc. than any given "aryan". 

The key word in your statement is "might." You may certainly find an Asian 
who is stronger than a White or a Black, but the chance is absurdidly small 
in comparison to finding the reverse comparing the respective average 
physical size of each race. Also, the same could be said when comparing the 
intelligence of Asians and whites to Blacks. Yes, there are some Blacks who 
are smarter than some Whites or Asians, but there are far more Whites and 
Asians who are smarter than Blacks.


Your overall thesis is terribly flawed.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844381084$6973@atype.com> - mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman) wr
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:>
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney),
:>
:>You're a fucking idiot.  Go away Nazi boy, before we MAKE YOU.

Ok Tough Guy, you really have me shaking.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844521484$13280@atype.com> - mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman) w
rites:
:>
:>
:>Herr McKinney,
:>
:>I can see that this is pointless.
:>
:>Individuals are individuals, and evaluating people on arbitrary
:>grounds which you think allows you to generalize the likelihood of
:>their having some certain characteristic is delusional and immoral.  


Based on the evidence, it's not irrational to sometimes make generalizations. 
Everyone makes generalizations every day. However, no matter how much you 
want to deny it, there are some generalizations that hold true, more often 
than not, with regard to race. Many of the true generalizations are 
supported by science and objective observation. (Much to your consternation, 
I'm sure).


:>
:>Your understanding of genetics, anthropology and the nature of
:>pre-historic humanity is straight from Mein Kampf, not a very accurate
:>(or coherent) source.  

Actually, I didn't refer to Mein Kampf at all. Instead I read widely 
available history and anthropology books for my information. I can't help it 
if some of those writers happen to agree with some of Hitler's ideas. 
Nonetheless, the Nazis built the worlds first system of super highways, but I 
seriously doubt that upon realizing that, you will restrict your travels to 
two-lane roads. It may also interest you to know that Hitler just happened to 
derive much of Germany's eugenics laws from the then current ones in 
American, and many of his economic policies were inspired by, what was called 
"Fordism" (those, of course, being the economic ideas originated by the 
famous auto inventor and manufacturer,  Henry Ford).


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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rites:
:>
:>
:>Kaa Byington  wrote:
:>>No, not Marx, Thomas Jefferson:  All men are created equal.
:>
:>Thomas Jefferson:  How much for that negro?

Actually, your attempted sarcasm is well put. Thomas Jefferson - who nearly 
all militia types love to praise - was a racist. He didn't believe in racial 
equality and said so many times. In fact, his most mature opinion was that 
while the Blacks should be free, he was emfatic that Whites and Blacks 
could not live together in the same nation. I think the latter has become 
especially apparent when one considers the tremendous proportion of 
interracial attacks committed by Blacks against Whites. There are nearly one 
MILLION annually - 90% against Whites and 99% of interracial rapes are White 
women being raped by Blacks. It's should actually be described as a race war 
in which only one side is fighting - the Blacks.



Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844412588$8281@atype.com> - juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps) wr
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:>
:>
:>
:>Everyone who opposes gun control can say, "Hitler agrees with us".  I
:>can just see them lining up to say this.  

Why not emphasize the doubtless outlawing of gun ownership by the Commies, 
instead of promoting the nonsense that Hitler "grabbed the guns?" It doesn't 
make sense unless there's a reason for doing it. I'm convinced that outfits 
like JFPO (Jews For the Preservation of Firearm Ownership) do it because 
there were very disproportionate number of Jews involved in the Communist 
controlled countries, and they don't want that fact known. So they concoct 
this nonsense about Hitler being a big gun-grabber. 



:>Some passably interesting stuff, until you realize its purpose:

My purpose is trying to straighten-out the disinformation being spread by a 
group of self interested Jewish activists. But let's forget about the Jewish 
involvement in communism and the JFPO for a moment, and focus on the 
equally important point that this false Hitler/gun-grabber propaganda diverts 
people's attention away from the undeniable fact that it is the left, not the 
right, that really want's to take away your guns. (Hitler, of course, is 
usually identified as being on the right). That's a very important , but 
subtle deception being propagated by these people. It should not go 
uncorrected. Even if you don't like Hitler you should, at least, acknowledge 
that point. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844568290$14764@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes


:>If I recall correctly, it was in the 60's that IQ tests also proved that a
:>large number of folks of Anglo-Germanic descent in Appalachia were also at
:>or below the level of many blacks only a few hundred miles away. 

That example really says nothing, and is the standard false argument used by 
the 'environmentalists' - use the worse case of White intelligence 
and compare it to that of the average Black IQ. One of the best know 
egalitarian IQ propagandist, Ashley Montegu, use this scam ad nauseum. The 
theory has been discredited by authentic intelligence experts like Dr. Jensen. 



:>>Or I don't think you could possibly deny that there is a very noticable 
:>>difference in height when comparing pygmies and whites or even 
:>>congoid negroes. There are many significant differences that cannot 
:>>rationally be denied.
:>
:>Why is height imporrtant? Just as a measure of who you are physically more
:>powerful than? It certainly doesn't have much direct relationship to
:>intelligence.


Obviously, it has no relationship. If you would have read my post in 
it's context, you would seen that I mentioned that example to demonstrate the 
wide variations that between races, of which the previous post had denied.


:>
:>>With regard to DNA, humans and apes share a high proportion of DNA, 
:>>but no one is crazy enough to suggest that we are nearly the same as 
:>>apes.
:>
:>I've heard racists argue that some races are almost identical to apes ...
:>I'm glad to hear you agree that they are crazy.

You seem to be unable to restrain yourself from making sarcastic points.


:>If you apply that superior "master race" intellect, I'm sure you will be
:>able to determine that he was referring to the functional significance of
:>those variations, not the breadth of distribution or expression of traits
:>within a population. Hence there was no contradiction in the term "minor
:>variations."

That doesn't change the fact that wide variations exist. I'm trying to 
emphasize that, and the variations are apparent to anyone with normal 
eyesight. 



:>>The contributions of these groups were minor compared to those of the 
:>>Europeans.
:>
:>true ... those that thought they were a superior race did often violently
:>inhibit or destroy contributions from those they felt to be inferior. This
:>is something the "master race" should be embarassed about, not proud of.

Embarrassed? Look, it was a war to decide who would control North America. We 
simply could not co-exist along side stone-age primitives. The differences in 
culture, race, and lifestyles were simply too great. And as far as I know, 
none of you defenders of Indian society is ever prepared to discard all the 
trappings of the "master race', as you keep calling it, and go live in a 
teepee. No, you'll criticize and denegrate the White race and all our 
accomplishments, but you wouldn't dare dispense with all the benefits and go 
off and live as your revered Indians did.



:>But for that matter, the alleged "master race" really didn't invent much
:>.... they were largely just quasi-nomadic thieves stealing the works and
:>advances of others so I guess pride just isn't part of this "white pride"
:>thing, is it?

So far, you just made the most asinine and ludicrous statement I've seen in 
the past month. Nonetheless, I'll keep reading, since you may even top that.


:>>On a higher cultural level, the Indians contribution was almost zero.
:>
:>AmerIndians still exist and still contribute. The history on that topic is
:>not yet done. As near as I can tell, they contribute today far more than
:>most of those shiftless, lazy folks wanting special privelege by claiming
:>to be the "superior."

The last time I checked, the proportion of Indians receiving taxpayer largess 
is much higher than that of Whites, or as you persistantly call them, the 
"master race." But, let me make something clear: claims of superiority mean 
absolutely nothing. Results and evidence make the case. Evidently, these are 
things you refuse to accept.



:>> People create culture and not the other way around. Culture originally 
:>>came from race, 
:>
:>at the risk of stepping into Scott's territory, it might be worth
:>mentioning that some aspects of culture, like aesthetic components of
:>mating, may accent certain traits over time leading to "racial"
:>distinctions. 

.......and intelligence along with other intellectual and temperment 
qualities. Selective beeding affects much more than merely standards of 
physical beauty. Animal breeders and even beekeepers understand that 
different varieties possess different characteristics, and constantly select 
for, not only physical, but also behavioral and intellectual qualities. 
Also, that breeds of animals have collective traits. Many of the mental and 
behavioral traits are mostly inalterable, so for a dog breeder to attempt to 
make a champion bird dog from a German Shepard would be insane. Oh yes, he 
might, with an inordinate amount of training, be able to get a Shepard to 
mimic some of the characteristics of a bird dog, but it would never come 
close to equaling the performance of the latter. Someone who would seriously 
attempt such a thing would be considered crazy.

Nonetheless, I find the proposition uttery ridiculous that of all animal life 
on this planet, humans are somehow exempt from this principle. 



:>What one sees mostly is a race of shiftless,
:>non-producing thieves leeching off of the work of others ... basic welfare
:>cases, in other words. It takes a pretty big jump to consider that a
:>common thief and brigand has greater "intellectual abilities" ... just
:>more physical strength and lower morals.

Total bilge!



:>I presume here that you are referring to the true Aryans, more commonly
:>called Celts. Yes, they do appear to have had a significant impact where
:>they traveled. But they were hardly as advanced as you believe. They had
:>some moderately advanced politics (including a reasonable respect for
:>women -- though not total equality in things like property ownership),
:>reasonable artistry in some things they produced (esp textiles), some
:>knowledge of metal working, a tolerable working knowledge of lunar cycles,
:>fine oral traditions, and interesting mythologies. However, they were very
:>primitive in most aspects of applied technology and were -totally-
:>illiterate until quite late in history. 

Even if I accepted your entire presentation as wholly true, which I don't, 
you put yourself into the unintended position of confirming that these Aryans 
were certainly quick studies and put any technology they encountered to good 
use. That, by itself, indicates advanced ability. The Blacks seem to have a 
very difficult time with that. I think we can, for argument's sake, say that 
the Celts and the Sub-Saharian Blacks were exposed to the advanced societies 
of the Mid-East and Meditarranean at approximately the same time. Remember 
Timbuktu? Obviously, the Celts, and slightly later, the Germans, adapted this 
technology and carried it to unknown heights. The Blacks simply ignored and 
prompty forgot it, while quickly reverting back to their former stone-age 
existance as soon as the exposure ceased.



:>As nomads, they tended to sack and
:>burn also but for the most part matured beyond that lifestyle and started
:>trying to become productive well before (a few centuries B.C) the "master
:>race" ... even though human sacrafice and other primitive aspects were
:>retained until between the 2nd and 5th centuries.

This is probably the progression of a nummber of other peoples too. Nothing 
new. And all humans began as hunter-gatherers early in their history. 
So what?



:>But in any case, the
:>"golden age" of the Celtic groups occurred from no earlier than the 5th
:>century until about the 12th ... all well after similar levels of
:>independent achievement in Asia, North Africa, and the Mediterranean. As
:>you told Mike, Ian, I suggest you read some history.

Actually, you've gotten off the track. For some reason you are restricting 
you points to the Celts. You evidently began with an assumption that the 
White mummies found in China were Celts - something which is actually 
undetermined, and then use that premise to to trash the whole White race. 
No matter what you say about the Celts, the fact remains that they were 
light-years ahead of the Blacks as far back as anyone can determine.



:>Since the Celts are notorious for
:>being totally incompetent (disinterested?) in such things, I suspect that
:>the "master race" would just view us as "inferior" in the end also so
:>could not be trusted to do anything other than what they've done
:>throughout history ... form false alliances, lie, cheat, and steal.

You forgot to mention that the Celts virtually controlled Northern Europe for 
quite a while. They obviously made some mistakes and ended-up retreating to 
Ireland. Then, of course, the Germanic groups predominated. But that 
doesn't change the fact that the Celts had controlled/influenced nearly all 
of Europe - from the Atlantic to the Eastern Med.



:>>Yes, there are some Blacks who are smarter than some Whites or Asians, 
:>>but there are far more Whites and Asians who are smarter than Blacks.
:>
:>In many studies, such variations are found to be the result of: 1)
:>nutrition during developmental years, 2) educational inequities, 3) biased
:>measures. "Master race" proponents not only don't discuss those factors,

I never denied that 1 and 2 affect individuals, and I don't hold that 
genetics are the end-all, BUT, it is a strong, indeniable influence. The 
third, so-called 'biased measures' is largely false, since it is consistantly 
found that Blacks score better in, what's referred to as, 'culturally loaded' 
parts of IQ tests (verbal) and score lowest on those less affected by culture 
(number sequences, etc.). The exact opposite of what one would expect if the 
'bias' excuse was actually true. BTW, those factors are discussed at length 
in many books (the most recent is the Bell Curve).

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Ian McKinney




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In message <844574590$15010@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
rk T Pitcavage) writes:

:>-Somebody- had to build the world's first system of superhighways.  The fact 
:>that the Nazis did it does not exactly commend them to me.

That wasn't the point I was making, instead, it was to discredit the 
denigration of some position simply because Hitler expoused or postulated 
something similar. That's nonsense. Hitler borrowed many ideas, but just 
because he did, that has no bearing on whether a particular idea is true or 
has merit.


:>As to Hitler's relationship to Henry Ford, that is an unfortunate comment on 
:>Ford, and not a fortunate comment on Hitler.  

His relationship had little to do with it. Hitler adopted some of Ford's 
ideas because they were beneficial to Germany's economic situation.



:>Henry Ford was responsible for 
:>much of the growth of anti-semitism in this country in the 1930s, through his 
:>racist publications.

Of course, today, 'anti-semitism" is defined as any statement critical of the 
Jews. The Jews should be open to criticism like anyone else, however, since 
WW2 that is simply not allowed. (Just look at Marlon Brando or Dolly 
Parton; both savaged and attacked by the Jews for simply stating the 
undeniable fact that there is very disproportionate Jewish influence in 
Hollywood. Neither were really criticizing the Jews, but only mentioned 
that Jews hold the lion's share of important positions in almost all 
movie studios, and make-up a huge proportion of movie producers and 
writers. The mere mention of that is now considered 'anti-semitism.')

But back to Ford. Before that time, Jewish criticism was considered somewhat 
more accepted - people's minds were less inhibited by this slime 
presently known as 'political correctness.' Ford was simply exposing some of 
this dangerous or dishonest Jewish activity. Ford also happened to be right 
in some of his criticism, or are you going to tell me that the Jews are 
different from everybody else and never do anything wrong? PLEASE.

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Ian McKinney



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In message <844550283$14189@atype.com> - medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. M
edintz) writes:

:>> There are many significant differences that cannot rationally be denied.
:>
:>Height is a relatively minor difference. A given height and build can very
:>easily be shared across racial lines.


Height is very significant if your survival depends on being able to reach 
something. 

"Shared accross racial lines" - nonsense. How many Asians do you know that 
are 6 feet tall? I'll bet not many.



:>IQ tests are biased towards the educated. The depressed scores are more Bull
:>O'Connor's legacy than an inherent difference. 

Biased towards education? Wrong. FYO, researchers have developed tests even 
for illiterate persons. Besides, in our context, did it ever occur to you 
that a more intelligent person might have more education because they're more 
able to utilize such education? And not the other way around as you 
postulate. In other words, I doubt that one would find many persons with low 
intelligence studying engineering, simply because, for one thing, low 
intelligence is not compatable with understanding integral calculus. 



:>Come up with a difference that really is significant.

Well, I mentioned the 15 point IQ gap; Blacks have smaller brains. How about 
the fact that Blacks have an extra muscle in their leg, or their 
susceptiblity to Sickle Cell, or the recently shown resistance of whites to 
AIDS, how about blood types, the number of sweat glands, or, on the 
practical side, the disasterous effects to cities with a significant Black 
population? And I haven't started looking at the bookshelf yet.



:>Define "higher cultural level" without making an ass out of yourself. It
:>won't be easy.

Rembrant, Bach, Wagner, Shakespeare, Darwin, Tesla, Edison, Faraday, 
Clausewitz, Chopin,.....for Chist's sake, I'm not going to give you a 
micro-sample of Western Civilization just to answer your silly question. If 
you can't understand what higher culture is, then you're a complete boob.



:>Culture originally did not come from race, but from external conditions.

Well, where did the "external conditions" come from? A UFO? It came from 
somewhere. Who created the first culture? You can't answer that based upon 
your inverted premise.



:>>This is nonsense. For example, writing was unknown to Black Africans until 
:>>introduced by, first the Arabs, and then later re-introduced by Europeans. 
:>
:>Pretty much an indefensible claim, we'll have to let it stand by itself.

>From  looking over the book, Race, by Prof. John Baker of Oxford, I think your 
last post just fell over.


:>BTW, what can you tell us about the Mayans?

They were cannibals.


:>>Compared to Africa, they were very, very far ahead. Of course, you're 
:>>conveniently forgetting about Whites who conquered what is now known as 
:>>India. That was at least 4,000 years ago. The physical appearance of these 
:>>people can now be established as European from the magnificently preserved, 
:>>4-5000 year-old mummies excavated by the Chinese over the past twenty years. 
:>
:>Got a source for any of this? (And no, the RaHoWa fan club newsletter 
:>doesn't count).

Any expert such as yourself should certainly know about the Aryan mummies 
found in China. But in case your mighty mind is slipping, go back a year or 
two and find the article in Discover magaxzine. It includes a number of color 
photos, which should leave no doubt as to what race they were. (I'm surprised 
the Black Revisionists haven't claimed they were actually Blacks who, for 
some unexplainable reason, bleached themselves).



:>>Nearly all had blonde, red, or light brown hair, and looked like modern 
:>>European Whites. Their clothing was still in nearly perfect condition and was 
:>>obviously the product of an advanced society. In light of this 
:>>discovery, scientists are rethinking China and are now suspecting that 
:>>some advancements previously attributed to the Asians may have actually been 
:>>introduced by the Whites.
:>
:>WHICH scientists, or are you making the same sort of horseshit arguments 
:>that we used to fend off the creationists a month or so ago?

Don't argue about it with me, take it up with the writer of the article in 
Discover magazine. I guess you'll also claim the photos were faked?



:>>The key word in your statement is "might." You may certainly find an Asian 
:>>who is stronger than a White or a Black, but the chance is absurdidly small 
:>>in comparison to finding the reverse comparing the respective average 
:>>physical size of each race. Also, the same could be said when comparing the 
:>>intelligence of Asians and whites to Blacks. Yes, there are some Blacks who 
:>>are smarter than some Whites or Asians, but there are far more Whites and 
:>>Asians who are smarter than Blacks.
:>
:>And you know this how...?

See the Bell Curve or any of Arther Jensen's books, among a number of others.


:>>Your overall thesis is terribly flawed.
:>
:>Chapman's? Naw, for once Chapman's thesis was damn near absolutely correct,
:>easily supported, and clearly rational. That doesn't happen very often, but
:>when it does you might want to shut up before you die of embarassment.

You wouldn't know "...correct, ...supported, and ...rational" if they, 
collectively, bite you on the nose. However, I think you're quite familiar 
with something called liberal propaganda.

Good Night,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844562892$14493@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>>I'm sure the American public in general didn't know about the death camps
:>
:>>until after the war.  I know my parents and relatives didn't know about 
:>>them.  When I was growing up, our next door neighbors were Jewish, and he
:>
:>>had been a medic in the war in Europe.  HE didn't know about the death 
:>>camps until his unit got to Dachau--as a medic he was one of the first 
:>>ones to go in. 
:>
:>Just out of curiosity - was he with the Thunderbirds - the National Guard
:>division (I forget the number) that actually liberated the camp?

Dachau wasn't a "death camp", since it is not claimed to have had gas 
chambers. The old "shower story' has been quietly dropped for lack of 
evidence. In other words, no gassing - no death camp.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844521499$13294@atype.com> - mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman) w
rites:
:>
:>
:>Morgoth  wrote:
:>>Schooling is important. After all, many kids today spend more time at
:>>school than they do at home.
:>
:>Talk about child abuse and neglect.
:>
:>Raising children is a full-time job.  Better for them to live in a
:>trailer than to be raised by the state or some other institution.
:>
:>SAVE THE CHILDREN!

Well, well. At least we agree on something. The real problem is that liberals 
have taken over the educational establishment, and, just like everything else 
liberals touch, the schools have turned into crap; becoming little more than 
baby-sitters and "New World Order" brainwashing pens. Scholarship is 
somewhere down the list. However, the fault falls primarily onto the parents 
who allowed this to happen, and continue to do very little to stop it. 
Unfortunately, too many of them are more concerned about that new tv, car, or 
house. 

I know you'll probably scream, but I can't avoid noticing that the schools 
began to collapse about the same time that integration was started. 
Regardless of whether you dispute that, wouldn't you agree it's still a 
very striking coincidence? Just look at the schools of 1953 (before the 
Brown desegregation court decision), and compared them to those of today. Of 
course, the most glaring comparison will be almost always be found in those 
schools with the highest proportion of Blacks. It wouldn't be nearly so bad 
if it remained isolated to those heavily Black schools, but since the whole 
education system has been brought under federal control, the deterioration 
has spread to all the schools.

It always amazes me that so-called conservatives and 'patriots' are 
vociferous in denouncing liberalism, but they never mention the havoc wrought 
by liberals and their destructive racial policies. They conspicuously avoid 
THAT part of liberalism. Rush "Fatso" Limbaugh is a typical example of that.

I'll continue to denounce all rotteness with complete disregard towards 
'political correctness.'


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844635784$17102@atype.com> - frank@clark.net () writes:
:>
:>
:>David Irving is a British author of a great many books, beginning with (I
:>belive) _The Bombing of Dresden_. He is an indefatigable researcher and
:>digs out more documents and interviews more people than practically anyone
:>else doing WW II and related history. The Dresden book sold quite well and
:>made it into mass paperback. 

:>Irving got into even bigger trouble, and his latest book, about Goebbels,
:>was cancelled by its published (St. Martin's, I recall) at the last
:>moment. You can folllow all this stuff on alt.revisionism, but it is
:>mostly flaming. Some of the postings *indicate* (and I am not using the
:>word bureaucratically) that Irving has reversed his opinion about the gas
:>chambers.

Reversed? Just last week I heard, with my own ears and in person, David 
Irving say that the gas chamber story simply cannot be supported, and that in 
all his research he has not discovered any creditable evidence to support the 
gas chamber story. If someone is saying otherwise, then they don't 
know what their talking about. However, Irving did say, at the outset of his 
lecture, he doesn't deny that many thousands of Jews died, but simply that 
they weren't killed with gas chambers. Also he said that the commonly used '6 
million' figure is grossly inflated.

It all boils down to the Jewish establishment wanting to keep the death count 
as high as possible and to distinguish these deaths from all others by 
promoting the gassing story. With this they gain sympathy and insulation from 
criticism. Without the gas chambers, the murders of these Jews are no more 
important than any other deaths which were committed in war. But what's even 
more sinister, is that while they hold to the '6 million', it is undeniable 
that the Soviets killed many more than that - estimates ranging from 30 to 80 
million. The reason why the Jews don't want much discussion about those 
deaths, is that there were an awful high proportion of Jews involved in 
communism and the killing of those persons. And denying with any 
credibility that Jews were conspicuous in, not only Soviet communism, but 
communism just about anywhere, is simply impossible.

If the Soviet deaths were promoted to the same degree as the alledged Jewish 
'holocaust' deaths, and that Jews were the ones doing alot of the killing, 
then suddenly the importance of the 'holocaust' collapses and benefits 
derived from it disappear. 

With the 'holocaust' it's all politics and money - it has little to do with 
truth. It's simply a propaganda tool used to extort money from, and 
to intimidate, non-Jews.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844548483$14151@atype.com> - "XTC "  writes:

:>: Sometimes you are your own worst enemy. It's inconceivable how Jews can
:>: be for gun control with all the butt-kicking they've taken for 2,000
:>: years.

They've also kicked some butt, in a manner of speaking, over the past 2,000 
years. Nonetheless, the Jews, as a whole, are doing quite well in America 
today. They dominate Hollywood. I think it was Jewish columnist, Michael 
Medved, who recently commented that all ten top Hollywood studios are run by 
Jews. Of course, that's not counting the tremendous proportion of script 
writers, producers, directors, etc., that just happen to be Jews. And we 
can't forget the very disproportionate control over the media, especially 
since Disney (Michael Eisner) took-over Turner Broadcasting. Either can we 
forget the New York Times, Washington Post, and a slew of other newspapers 
and magazines with astoundingly disproportionate Jewish control. No, the Jews 
are doing very well in America. (Maybe a little too well). 


:>It's a question of demographics. City folk perceive gun touting hoods as
:>the greatest threat to their safety. So they attempt to regulate that.
:>Ironically, folks who live in the country can't imagine living without guns
:>for protection even though crime is only a fraction of what it is in the
:>cities. Go figure.

I think to some degree your statement is true. However, it would take an 
idiot not to notice that in every case crime increases with more gun control, 
and these people in the cities are certainly not idiots, so I have to assume 
another motivation. I think that liberals in general, and most Jews are 
liberal, get nervous being in a country where the citizens have quick access 
to firearms. Perhaps they worry that one day some of these citizens will 
decide they've had enough of liberalism and take action. Since the government 
is presently the greatest enforcer of liberal policies, they naturally want 
only the government to have all the firepower. In other words, they know that 
gun control laws have very little effect on criminals, since, after all, the 
criminals couldn't care less about the law; they're already breaking many 
more serious laws already. The liberals and Jews want guns out of the hands 
of average citizens.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844663683$18635@atype.com> - root  writes:
:>
:>
:>I'm calling ya on that one McKinney. If you're being held against your will, and
:>death is other than naturally occuring--That is a death camp. If persons are
:>concentrated, it is also a concentration camp.

I'm simply correcting that definition as it is conventionally used when 
discussing the 'holocaust.'


:>And I'm gonna tell Jew and Nazi alike-- Waffie don't much give a good MF if it was 
:>ONE-PERSON or TWELVE-MILLION... ! One was too many. So fuck all of you and your lame
:>number--bean counter games. That goes for both sides! Screw ya both.

I tend to agree with you, but don't you think it's more than conspicuous that 
whenever atrocities are mention, the Jews get all the attention? It's as if 
the millions of other people killed in history don't matter. That's the 
problem I have - the double standard.


:>...but waf thinks one
:>little 14 year-old kid on Ruby Ridge was TOO MUCH.

Again I agree!


:>Attrocities and genocidies are that, Degrees are for lames. Numbers are for
:>fruiters. One is the LCD. One should get ya hung in a crime against humanity.

Well, we are now witnessing the slow genocide of the White race by evil 
people causing conditions that endanger our children's future, not to 
mention thousands of Whites murdered outright at the hands of Black savages. 
Blacks commit attacks aginst Whites nine times as often as the reverse. 
Where's your outrage on that one Waffie?

Regards,
Ian McKinney






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In message <844562885$14479@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <844538590$13875@atype.com>, "Stiv" 
:>writes:
:>
:>> Wouldn't it be great if the racists
:>>on both sides could see the "light" and join the militias to help rid
:>>ourselves of these would be dictators who are not only destroying the
:>>Constitution but fueling the racist fires as a means of accomplishing
:>such.
:>
:>Well, considering that we're talking about folks who tend to think of
:>themselves as "better" than someone else because of genetics, I don't know
:>that such a change is even possible on their part...and quite frankly it
:>would take *quite* a bit of proof for me to accept that any had in fact
:>changed...but that's just me.

I guess I'm a 'racist' by your definition, so tell me, what are the militias 
actually doing? 

You evidently think us 'racists' live in a vacuum. Actually, I know some 
militia/constitutionists and we happen to agree on many things. Also, I know 
that most of these people are definitely not liberals when it comes to racial 
issues. It's just that they put a higher priority on other things. 
Nonetheless, you can't tell me that the overwhelming majority of militia 
members are not White, and I'll bet dimes to donuts that 90% of them would be 
horrified it their son or daughter brought home a Black date. As a matter of 
fact, many of them deliberately avoid the race/Jewish issue to avoid scaring 
away potential recruits. I happen to be very well aquainted with the owner of 
a well-know magazine that caters to the militia crowd, and although he 
doesn't go nearly as far as I do on race, he is certainly pretty well versed 
on the Jewish issue and definately opposes race-mixing. You might be shocked 
to know who he is, but I won't reveal his name or publication for obvious 
reasons.

You appear to think that the government is intentionally 'fueling racist 
fires.' That almost makes me laugh to hear that you think it's some kind of a 
plot. Yes, the government's actions agitate racial problems, but only because 
their actions are offensive to any person with an ounce of normal racial 
instinct. The principal end objective is to weaken the White people, not 
merely to agitate them. They need to breakdown all racial and ethnic lines to 
facilitate their economic New World Order. Why haven't you people figured 
that out yet? If they had their way, all the races would be merged into a 
rootless, historyless, consuming, mob. They know that ethnic and racial 
sympathies are very powerful and that's why they want them destroyed. They 
know that when the chips are down and people have nothing else, they cling to 
those who share racial and ethnic ties. Self-determination of races is a big 
stumbling block to their unified economic order. They want everybody acting 
and thinking the same. That makes for a much easier manipulated 'mass 
market.'

Finally, I, and most other 'racists' I know are in favor of 
self-determination for ALL races. Not just for Whites. However, since I'm 
White, I devote my energies there. The Blacks will have to take care of their 
own problems. But, as long as any other race is for separation, 
self-determination and freedom for their group, then I support them.

"Good fences make good neighbors." 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844399983$7734@atype.com> - Eric Engelmann  writes:

:>> I notice a couple of other white supremacists have also landed in this topic in
:>> the past couple of days; I hope they don't stay.
:>
:>Sorry. Be careful about confusing racist, separatist and supremacist. 
:>People who confess to belonging to these groups make a distinction which
:>your post appears to blur.

That's a point worth noting. Anyone can claim to be supreme, but it means 
absolutely nothing, since it is Nature alone that makes that decision; 
ultimately, by whether a group survives. If you look at demographic trends, 
things don't look too good for Whites (10% of the world's population 
and dropping). That's on top of the millions of non-whites flooding into 
White countries - that's why I am compelled to do my part, no matter how 
small, to change that. Maybe, you might imagine yourself being comfortable 
living in a totally non-white world, but I'm not.

Anyway, don't forget to tune into American Dissident Voices every week. It's 
the ONLY uncensored radio show. See http://www.natvan.com for the latest 
schedule.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844633983$17052@atype.com> - smaceach@polar.Bowdoin.EDU (Scott MacE
achern) writes:
:>
:>
:>The idea of having these fruitcakes as bedfellows may be the strongest
:>case for supporting American gun control that I've heard yet -- and I
:>think that the other cases are pretty strong.
:>

"Fruitcakes?" Well, I must say that's a very pathetic way of avoiding the 
facts. (Name-calling - the standard stock and trade of liberal pathology).

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844671784$18909@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>Okay, a couple of points here: the "IQ tests" whose results ian is quoting
:>are both culturally and gender biased...there is NO objective/unbiased
:>"IQ" test currently available on the market, since we really don't know
:>enough about what actually makes up 'intelligence' to be able to build
:>one.  

Can you prove that charge of IQ tests being 'culturally and gender biased?' I 
would like to know how a mathematical question can be biased? Besides, where 
do you think American Blacks live, in the North Pole? Your assertion falls 
flat when you consider that Blacks score lowest on what are called 
'culturally neutral'(math) parts of IQ tests and do best on 'culturally 
loaded' (verbal) parts. I might emphasize this point by pointing out that 
American Indians score 5-10 higher than Blacks. I would say that these IQ 
tests would be at least as 'biased' against them as they would be against 
Blacks. So how do explain that Blacks consistantly score lower than every 
other racial/ethnic group. Even recent immigrants with obvious 
language/culture deficencies do better.

Also, you can't explain why the 15 point IQ gap between Blacks and Whites 
has remained virtually consistant even when every effort has been made to 
make the tests as 'unbiased' as possible. The companies that create these 
tests bend-over backwards to make the tests unbiased, if for nothing else, to 
make theirs more appealling to the schools that use them.

The Bell Curve shows pretty conclusively that regardless of how you want to 
denigrate IQ testing, IQ still remains a fairly accurate predictor of future 
performance.

The 'bias' claim has been shown to be a hoax. 



:>The other point that ian has continuously evaded in this issue is the fact
:>that he misuses the term 'race' to *imply* the term 'species'.  

I use race the way it is generally accepted and as most people understand it.


:>One easy way to demonstrate this (and
:>something all of the white supremacists hate to acknowledge) is that
:>people from different races can interbreed successfully.  Now the racists
:>have a real problem here, because if different races were different
:>species inter-racial couples would either be unable to have children, or
:>the children which would be produced would be sterile.

For our discussion, that point is not important, (and not wholly 
applicable), because regardless of how you want to confuse things, everybody 
can distinguish differences between a Black person and a White, or an Asian, 
or an Austroloid. The fact remains that there are generally predictable 
differences between the races. Would anybody be foolish enough to make the 
claim that Asians are of the same average physical size as Blacks or Whites? 

With all the obvious differences in color, size, suseptibility to various 
diseases, etc., you want categorically deny that the brain is the only thing 
that is exactly the same among the races? Sorry, I don't buy it.

The evidence to support differences in average intelligence between races is 
overwhelming, and those that deny it do so only by pointing to exeptions to 
the rule and extensive twisting of statistics.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844733018$22240@atype.com> - e142857@teleport.com (Walter Ulrich) w
rites:
:>
:>
:>>   mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) writes:
:>>  And we 
:>>  can't forget the very disproportionate control over the media, especially 
:>>  since Disney (Michael Eisner) took-over Turner Broadcasting. Either can we 
:>>  forget the New York Times, Washington Post, and a slew of other newspapers 
:>>  and magazines with astoundingly disproportionate Jewish control. No, the Jews 
:>>  are doing very well in America. (Maybe a little too well). 
:>
:>And why is it, pray tell, that almost every time one turns on the news in the U.S.
:>there's a lengthy segment on Israel? It's one of the LEAST important nations
:>on earth with a population of 5 million. India has a population of a BILLION,
:>China has a population of 1.3 BILLION and there at least 1/100th the news
:>items dealing with these nations relative to the unending drivel about Israel
:>and its silly-assed problems with its Arab neighbors. Now, why is this?

Although I think you question is rhetorical, it's simple : because it's 
important to those that control the media - the Jews.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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For the naysayers:


         "The Jewish Establishment"

                        by Joseph Sobran

The Jewish Establishment

In the early 1930s, Walter Duranty of the New York Times was in 
Moscow, covering Joe Stalin the way Joe Stalin wanted to be 
covered. To maintain favor and access, he expressly denied that 
there was famine in the Ukraine even while millions of Ukrainian 
Christians were being starved into submission. For his work 
Duranty won the Pulitzer Prize for journalism. To this day, the 
Times remains the most magisterial and respectable of American 
newspapers.

Now imagine that a major newspaper had had a correspondent in 
Berlin during roughly the same period who hobnobbed with Hitler, 
portrayed him in a flattering light, and denied that Jews were 
being mistreated - thereby not only concealing, but materially 
assisting the regime's persecution. Would that paper's 
respectability have been unimpaired several decades later?

There you have an epitome of what is lamely called "media bias." 
The Western supporters of Stalin haven't just been excused; they 
have received the halo of victim hood for the campaign, in what 
liberals call the "McCarthy era," to get them out of the 
government, the education system, and respectable society itself.

Not only persecution of Jews but any critical mention of Jewish 
power in the media and politics is roundly condemned as 
"anti-semitism." But there isn't even a term of opprobrium for 
participation in the mass murder of Christians. Liberals still 
don't censure the Communist attempt to extirpate Christianity 
>from  Soviet Russia and its empire, and for good reason - liberals 
themselves, particularly Jewish liberals, are still trying to 
uproot Christianity from America.

It's permissible to discuss the power of every other group, from 
the Black Muslims to the Christian Right, but the much greater 
power of the Jewish Establishment is off-limits. That, in fact, 
is the chief measure of its power: its ability to impose its own 
taboos while tearing down the taboos of others - you might almost 
say its prerogative of offending. You can read articles in 
Jewish-controlled publications from the Times to Commentary 
blaming Christianity for the Holocaust or accusing Pope Pius XII 
of indifference to it, but don't look for articles in any major 
publication that wants to stay in business examining the Jewish 
role in Communism and liberalism, however temperately.

Power openly acquired, openly exercised, and openly discussed is 
one thing. You may think organized labor or the Social Security 
lobby abuses its power, but you don't jeopardize your career by 
saying so. But a kind of power that forbids its own public 
mention, like the Holy Name in the Old Testament, is another 
matter entirely.

There is an important anomaly here. The word "Jewish," in this 
context, doesn't include Orthodox or otherwise religious Jews. 
The Jews who still maintain the Hebraic tradition of millennia 
are marginal, if they are included at all, in the Jewish 
establishment that wields journalistic, political, and cultural 
power. Morally and culturally, the Orthodox might be classed as 
virtual Christians, much like the descendants of Christians who 
still uphold the basic morality, if not the faith, of their 
ancestors. Many of these Jews are friendly to Christians and 
eager to make common cause against the moral decadence they see 
promoted by their apostate cousins. Above all, the Orthodox 
understand, better than almost anyone else in America today, the 
virtues - the necessity - of tribalism, patriarchal authority, 
the moral bonds of kinship.

The Jewish establishment, it hardly needs saying, is 
predominantly secularist and systematically anti-Christian. In 
fact, it is unified far more by its hostility to Christianity 
than by its support of Israel, on which it is somewhat divided. 
The more left-wing Jews are faintly critical of Israel, though 
never questioning its "right to exist" - that is, its right to 
exist on terms forbidden to any Christian country; that is, its 
right to deny rights to non-Jews. A state that treated Jews as 
Israel treats gentiles would be condemned outright as Nazi-like. 
But Israel is called "democratic," even "pluralistic."

Explicitly "Jewish" organizations like the American Jewish 
Committee and the Anti-Defamation League enforce a dual standard. 
What is permitted to Israel is forbidden to America. This is not 
just thoughtless inconsistency. These organizations consciously 
support one set of principles here - equal rights for all, ethnic 
neutrality, separation of church and state - and their precise 
opposites in Israel, where Jewish ancestry and religion enjoy 
privilege. They "pass" as Jeffersonians when it serves their 
purpose, espousing rules that win the assent of most Americans. 
At the same time, they are bent on sacrificing the national 
interest of the United States to the interests of Israel, under 
the pretense that both countries' interests are identical. (There 
is, of course, no countervailing American lobby in Israel.)

The single most powerful Jewish lobbying group is the American 
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which, as its former 
director Thomas Dine openly boasted, controls Congress. At a time 
when even Medicare may face budget cuts, aid to Israel remains 
untouchable. If the Israelis were to begin "ethnic cleansing" 
against Arabs in Israel and the occupied lands, it is 
inconceivable that any American political figure would demand the 
kind of military strike now being urged against the Serbs in 
ex-Yugoslavia.

Jewish-owned publications like The Wall Street Journal, The New 
Republic, The Atlantic Monthly, U.S. News & World Report, the New 
York Post, and New York's Daily News emit relentless pro-Israel 
propaganda; so do such pundits as William Safire, A.M. Rosenthal, 
Charles Krauthammer, Jeane Kirkpatrick, and George Will, to name 
a few. That Israel's journalistic partisans include so many 
gentiles - lapsed goyim, you might say - is one more sign of the 
Jewish establishment's power. So is the fact that this fact isn't 
mentioned in public (though it is hardly unnoticed in private.)

So is the fear of being called "anti-Semitic." Nobody worries 
about being called "anti-Italian" or "anti-French" or 
"anti-Christian"; these aren't words that launch avalanches of 
vituperation and make people afraid to do business with you.

It's pointless to ask what "anti-Semitic" means. It means 
trouble. It's an attack signal. The practical function of the 
word is not to define or distinguish things, but to conflate them 
indiscriminately - to equate the soberest criticism of Israel or 
Jewish power with the murderous hatred of Jews. And it works. Oh, 
how it works.

When Joe McCarthy accused people of being Communists, the charge 
was relatively precise. You knew what he meant. The accusation 
could be falsified. In fact the burden of proof was on the 
accuser: when McCarthy couldn't make his loose charges stick, he 
was ruined. (Of course, McCarthy was hated less for his "loose" 
charges than for his accurate ones. His real offense was 
stigmatizing the Left.)

The opposite applies to charges of "anti-Semitism." The word has 
no precise definition. An "anti-Semite" may or may not hate Jews. 
But he is certainly hated by Jews. There is no penalty for making 
the charge loosely; the accused has no way of falsifying the 
charge, since it isn't defined.

A famous example. When Abe Rosenthal accused Pat Buchanan of 
"anti-Semitism," everyone on both sides understood the ground 
rules. There was a chance that Buchanan would be ruined, even if 
the charge was baseless. And there was no chance that Rosenthal 
would be ruined - even if the charge was baseless. Such are the 
rules. I violate them, in a way, even by spelling them out.

"Anti-Semitism" is therefore less a charge than a curse, an 
imprecation that must be uttered formulaically. Being a "bogus 
predicate," to use Gilbert Ryle's phrase, it has no real content, 
no functional equivalent in plain nouns and verbs. Its power 
comes from the knowledge of its potential targets, the gentiles, 
that powerful people are willing to back it up with material 
penalties.

In other words, journalists are as afraid of Jewish power as 
politicians are. This means that public discussion is cramped and 
warped by unspoken fear - a fear journalists won't acknowledge, 
because it embarrasses their pretense of being fearless critics 
of power. When there are incentives to accuse but no penalties 
for slander, the result is predictable.

What is true of "anti-Semitism" is also true to a lesser degree 
of other bogus predicates like "racism," "sexism," and 
"homophobia." Other minorities have seen and adopted the 
successful model of the Jewish establishment. And so our public 
tongue has become not only Jewish-oriented but more generally 
minority-oriented in its inhibitions.

The illusion that we enjoy free speech has been fostered by the 
breaking of Christian taboos, which has become not only safe but 
profitable. To violate minority taboos is "offensive" and 
"insensitive"; to violate Christian taboos - many of them shared 
by religious Jews - is to be "daring" and "irreverent." 
("Irreverence," of course, has become good.)

Jewry, like Gaul, may be divided into three parts, each defined 
by its borders vis-a-vis the gentile world. There are the 
Orthodox, who not only insist on borders but wear them. They 
often dress in attire that sets them apart; they are even willing 
to look outlandish to gentiles in order to affirm their identity 
and their distinctive way of life. At the other extreme are Jews 
who have no borders, who may (or may not) assimilate and 
intermarry, whose politics may range from left to right, but who 
in any case accept the same set of rules for everyone. I respect 
both types.

But the third type presents problems. These are the Jews who 
maintain their borders furtively and deal disingenuously with 
gentiles. Raymond Chandler once observed of them that they want 
to be Jews among themselves but resent being seen as Jews by 
gentiles. They want to pursue their own distinct interests while 
pretending that they have not such interests, using the charge of 
"anti-Semitism" as sword and shield. As Chandler put it, they are 
like a man who refuses to give his real name and address but 
insists on being invited to all the best parties. Unfortunately, 
it's this third type that wields most of the power and skews the 
rules for gentiles. The columnist Richard Cohen cites an old 
maxim: "Dress British, think Yiddish."

Americans ought to be free to discuss Jewish power and Jewish 
interests frankly, without being accused of denying the rights of 
Jews. That should go without saying. The truth is both otherwise 
and unmentionable. ( Return to top of page )

[The preceding article was reprinted from the September, 1995, 
issue of Sobran's. For subscription information, call 
1-800-493-4401, or write P.O. Box 1383, Vienna, VA 22183.]


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844669984$18837@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>>> 
:>>> In message <844562892$14493@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>>> :>>I'm sure the American public in general didn't know about the death camps


:>>>Ian McKinney wrote:
:>>> Dachau wasn't a "death camp", since it is not claimed to have had gas
:>>> chambers. The old "shower story' has been quietly dropped for lack of
:>>> evidence. In other words, no gassing - no death camp.

:>Nobody on here has claimed DAchau was a "death camp."  Thou doest protest 
:>too much.  The death camps were in Poland.  Nevertheless, they killed a 
:>lot of people at Dachau, mostly by shooting them.  It was more for 
:>political prisoners than Jews.  
:>


I put the previous messages in context for you benefit. As you can clearly 
see AHABIZ used the term 'death camp' and was, at the time, referring 
specifically to Dachau.

I think 'thou doest protest too much', deary. 

Also you might be a little more specific about those 'political prisoners', 
in other words, they were mostly Communists.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <531khv$7d$2@zeus.crosslink.net> - casanova@crosslink.net (Bob Casan
ova) writes:
:>
:>In article <01bbb10c$b1c4a8c0$b73252ca@default>, "Wilfred Cheung"  wrote:
:>>White?
:>>What are they?
:>
:>"From the skin color, which ranges from brown to ivory." - Withit's Collegiate 
:>Dictionary, "There Will Be Time", Poul Anderson, 1972
:>
:>Amazingly, "Black", "Brown", "Yellow", and "Red" have *exactly the same 
:>definition*! Spooky, ain't it? ;-)

That's nice, but skin color alone doesn't tell anyone very much. Everybody 
knows what a White person is and how to identify one. It's the same with any 
other race. If we selected at random a person from each of the three 
main racial categories and put them in a police lie-up, I doubt whether 
anybody would have any trouble picking-out the White, Black, or Asian person. 
You people just enjoy playing little games that impress nobody. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844206484$28263@atype.com> - Richard Kann  write
s:
:>
:>
:>On August 30, 1996 at 9:11 CST at the National Democratic Committee
:>meeting at the Sheraton Hotel in Chicago C-Span gave live coverage as
:>the pledge to the flag was recited....
:>
:>with one change....
:>
:>"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to
:>the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty
:>and justice for all"
:>
:>"Under God" was missing.
:>
:>Another caller was told thay this was the "politically correct version"
:>of the pledge to the flag.
:>

As much as I hate to side with the Politically Correct morons, I think if you 
check the history of the pledge you'll find that the words "under God" were 
added later. They weren't in the original. There have been other changes 
besides that.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844829283$27228@atype.com> - medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. M
edintz) writes:
:>>Also, it is not true that different species cannot mate and produce 
:>>fertile offspring. Examples include platties and guppies, dogs and 
:>>wolves, tigers and lions, bison and cattle.
:>
:>If you'd like to document the guppies and felines, we'd sure appreciate it.

While I can't give documentation on those, I do remember reading in Discover 
magazine last year an article on dolphins found in San Francisco Bay. There 
are two species of dolphins living there which are perfectly able to 
inter-breed but don't. Visually, there is very little difference between the 
two other than the length of their beaks. Nonetheless, they are considered 
two different species and able to inter-breed. The biologists were totally 
baffled why they remained separate while inhabiting the same area.


:>Dogs and wolves are the same species, BTW. Canis lupus, although some 
:>biologists put dogs into a separate subspecies (C. l. familaris).

Are you trying to tell us that wolves are the same as dogs? They're about the 
same as Blacks and Whites, regardless of how some liberal biologist would 
prefer to categorize them. Yet another practical example of reality 
destroying liberal delusions.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844837393$27605@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>>In response to the world Jewry boycott of German goods.
:>>
:>
:>Germany's problem in 1933 was that she was producing NO goods.  A 
:>boycott by world jewry (a tiny tiny percentage of world population) 
:>would have had the outrage effect of a boycott by, say, the Cubans.   
:>You have no proof of the "world Jewry boycott" except, evidently, a 
:>reproduction of a front page of a newspaper nobody ever heard of in a 
:>single book.  YOu have no corroborative evidence.  I could produce that 
:>page on my computer and or even with a photocopier.  The German laws 
:>against the Jews, however, are a matter of public record, and were well 
:>publicized at the time in newspapers both in Germany and elsewhere.  

First, your comparison of Jews to Cubans is absurd. One modern example is how 
that 'tiny percentage' successfully manipulates the American government for 
the benefit of Israel. Also you have the nearly air-tight censorship of any 
criticism of Jews through the disproportionately Jewish controlled 
information media - which was even the case back then. (And you can't 
successfully dispute the Jewish control of the media, because it's simply not 
possible). 

As far as the power of that 'tiny percentage', British historian, David 
Irving, recently announced his discovery of an authentic letter written by 
Zionist head and former Israeli Prime Minister, Chaim Weizmann to Winston 
Churchill, where Weizmann vows in 1940 that the Jews would bring the US into 
WW2, just like they had done in WW1! The letter was discovered by Irving in 
the Israeli archives. I'd say that indicates quite a bit of influence and 
power. especially, when the admission comes from someone as prominant as 
Weizmann.

The German laws simply excluded Jews from being German citizens. A perfectly 
legitament and legal act, since I think it was up to the Germans to decide 
who would be a citizen of their country. BTW, many of the Jews in Germany at 
that time had scrambled out of Russia after the first Communist revolution 
there failed. Once arriving in Germany, they promptly started their Marxist 
agitating. The first concentration camps held mostly Communists - many of 
them Jews, since Jews made-up so much of the leadership of the Communist 
movement. US Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, in the mid 30's sent his 
representative to inspect the camps and reported no abuse and that the 
inmates were treated reasonably well. You might also be interested that 
Jewish author and former Zionist, Benjamin Freidman, who lived in Germany at 
that time, stated that there was no Jews being harmed, other than the 
Communists who were put into the camps. (I have that on tape).



:>>The Birkenau cremation buildings would have needed 140 tons of
:>>coal per day to cremated 1,400 bodies per day.  But in contrast
:>>to the Monowitz plant, Birkenau had no coal piles or storage
:>>yards next to the rail lines.  It had no coal transportation
:>>system of any kind.
:>
:>So they turned to mass graves. Or whatever. 

'Or whatever' - oh brother! Yes, don't confuse me with the facts, huh?



:>I'll stick with this statement.  And with the utterly consistent 
:>reports of the survivors of the camps and of Mr. Eichman himself.
:>And with the famous proof by the aeronautical engineers as to why the 
:>bumble bee can't fly.  Ockham's razor, you know:  counting noses before 
:>and after is the best way, not looking at the mechanical processes.

I remember some of those survivors who swore that the Germans made soap out 
of dead Jews - a story that was so incredible even the 'holocaust' promoters 
finally had to drop it. Or we could memtion the 'steam chambers' and the 
'electrocution chambers' - all claimed by eye witnesses, and which were also 
total fabrications.


:>You think Russia, with a dismal 
:>record of anti-semitism itself  was there with arms outstretced to two 
:>million Jews?  Give me your tired, your poor. . .wonder how you say 
:>that in Russian.  

Russia, anti-semitic? Anti-Zionist maybe. If you bothered to inform yourself, 
you'd know that Jews were everywhere in the Soviet government. They 
constituted 80% of the original Bolshevik leadership (I've got copies of the 
American diplomatic cables that prove that). Stalin's right-hand man was 
Kaganovich, a Jew (documentation at hand). Stalin's daughter married was 
married to a Jew (newspaper clipping on hand). Lenin was half-Jewish 
(recently revealed in Time(?) last year) and married to Krupaskaya, a Jewess. 
Upwards of 80% of the Russian spies arrested in America were Jews (check 
newspaper archives of the early 1950's). I could go on and on. Communism is 
saturated with Jews. Even the present and longtime head of CPUSA, Gus Hall 
aka Michael Arvo Halberg, is a Jew. You simply don't know what your talking 
about.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844844606$27954@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <844713183$21098@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>> I think it was Jewish columnist, Michael 
:>>Medved, who recently commented that all ten top Hollywood studios are run
:>by 
:>>Jews. Of course, that's not counting the tremendous proportion of script 
:>>writers, producers, directors, etc., that just happen to be Jews.
:>
:>cute, Ian, attempting to use Michael Medved, a *conservative* Jewish guy
:>who hold views very similar to those of most Conservative Christians in
:>regard to society and morality as an excuse for your racism...or is waf
:>right? are you really just another leftist attempting to cause trouble by
:>attempting to play conservatives off against each other?

No, I mentioned Medved, who at least partially honest, to prove a point, 
since if I mentioned some other sources you'd attempt to discredit it as 
propaganda or something. I like to quote the Jews themselves. Who can argue 
with a Jew when he says that Hollywood is predominantly Jewish?

:>
:>> And we 
:>>can't forget the very disproportionate control over the media, especially
:>
:>>since Disney (Michael Eisner) took-over Turner Broadcasting.
:>
:>ah, so now you admit to believing that you are in fact a racist, due to
:>the fact that the current head of Disney is about as Jewish as billy jeff
:>is Baptist...which is to say not very much at all...

Well, I'll quote another Medved article (Jewish role in Hollywood is 
undeniably significant) from the Washington Times of Oct. 13, 1996:

"(T)he famous Disney organization...now features Jewish personel in nearly 
all its most powerful positions." (you lose)



:>> Either can we 
:>>forget the New York Times,
:>
:>false accusation

Owned by the Sulzberger family. Who also own the Boston Globe and McCalls 
and family Circle magazines. (you lose agin)

:>
:>> Washington Post,
:>
:>false accusation

Princpal stockholder Katherine Graham: maiden name - Meyer. Her son now runs 
the paper. (you lose again) 


:>
:>> and a slew of other newspapers 
:>>and magazines with astoundingly disproportionate Jewish control. 
:>
:>false accusations

Bull! Here's a short list of Jewish controlled media:

-Time magazine, owned by Time-warner: CEO is Gerald Levin

-Newsweek magazine, published by the Washington Post ( Katherine Meyer again)

-U.S. News and World Report, owned and published by Mortimer Zuckerman

-Wall Street Journal and Barron's, (which publishes 24 other daily 
papers) is owned by Dow Jones & Co. CEO Peter Kahn.

-New York Daily News, also owned by Mort Zuckerman

-Village Voice, owned by Leonard Stern

-New Yorker, Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Brides, Gentlemen's 
Quarterly, Self, House and Garden magazines, plus over a dozen newspapers are 
owned by the Newhouse brothers.

-MTV, owned by Viacom, 76% of which is owned by Sumner Redstone

I left out a significant nuumber of book publishers, and TV networks (ABC, 
CBS, NBC, CNN) that are either owned by Jews, or have Jews in the top 
positions. The preceding was just a brief summary!

(uh, oh! you lost AGAIN)


:>>another motivation. I think that liberals in general, and most Jews are 
:>>liberal,
:>
:>ah, another totally arbitrary assumption.  you really aren't very good at
:>this propaganda stuff, ian...you keep throwing in these really obviously
:>illogical assumptions and they're so poorly disguised that anyone can pick
:>them out.

I'm one hell of a lot better at it than you are at disputing it. You're 
absolutely miserable at it, in fact. Why don't you try an easier topic? 

The vast majority of Jews are definitely liberal. I read in a mainstream 
publication (probably one owned by Jews) that 85% of Jews vote for Democrats. 
I've only met one Jew who wasn't liberal and even he admits that almost all 
Jews are liberal. He even went as far as to say that many Jews lean toward 
Marxism. (I'm not making this up).


:>Not to worry though, I intend to keep picking them out, an
:>citing them publicly here until you go away and do not return.  I can keep
:>embarassing you all day long...it's actually kind of fun...

Dream on. You're actually embarrassing yourself. And your arrogance makes it 
even worst!


:>yet another case of an attempt at forcing a false association where none
:>has been proven to exist... really ian, even your idols the original nazis
:>*attempted* to give some veneer of rationality to their bigotry...if you
:>can't do any better than this, perhaps you should go back to one of the so
:>called 'white power' newsgroups

I just nailed you on several points. I'm the one completely rational. I 
suggest that you take-off your bliners, where Jews are concerned, and open 
your eyes. And remember, never try to say that Jews aren't in an astoundingly 
disproportionate number of controlling positions in the media, or you'll get 
your ass whooped again. Argue about the Protocols of Zion or something like 
that and save yourself some embarrassment.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844837393$27605@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>
:>
:>"Ken P."  wrote:
:>>
:>>Kaa Byington wrote:
:>> and intermarriage was forbidden in Germany.  
:>>
:>>Until many years after the end of WWII, many states in the U.S.
:>>had anti-miscegenation laws.
:>
:>Yes, but we're ashamed of them.  There's a difference. 

We are? Who's we? I never knew it went-up for a vote, but was instead usually 
overturned by judges. I have yet to meet anyone who is "ashamed" of these 
laws. In fact, I think a lot of White peole wish those anti-miscegination 
laws were still in effect.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844930983$2592@atype.com> - haji@u.washington.edu (H. McDaniel) wri
tes:
:>
:>
:>"Ken P."  writes:
:>
:>>Mike Chapman wrote:
:>> White survival does not necessarily mean
:>>"mistreating" non-Whites, but it does mean that White people must have
:>>the will to use appropriate force to secure the means of sustenance for
:>>their own people.  
:>
:>This kind of thinking is what causes completely unecessary race wars.
:>Look at England.  Plenty of White people there and they don't have the
:>American hang-ups about race/"appropriate force" etc.

For a few years I worked for a British-owned company, which employed numerous 
British, whom I had daily comtact and in some cases developed friendships. 
Let me tell you that virtually all these people do not approve of what their 
government is doing by allowing non-white alien people into England. Of 
course, they're voices are not heeded by their corrupt rulers anymore than 
the Criminals in Washington listen to the majority of Americans when we 
demand that immigration be drastically reduced. Nearly every Englishman I 
knew didn't like Blacks or Indians in their country. They didn't like 
race-mixing either. 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845001183$5119@atype.com> - juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps) wr
ites:
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>
:>More absolutely off topic  crap. 
:>
:>If you're looking for a good newsreader, try Agent (not Free Agent).
:>One of the major improvements of Agent over Free Agent is how easy it
:>is to add someone to a kill file... There its done.  No more message
:>from Ian McKinney.  Agent is $29 US from Fortes web site:
:> http://www.forteinc.com/
:>
:>It ain't perfect, because the windows based program only does it
:>checking against author and subject.  Those wanting to eliminate
:>McKinney (or myself) from view should consider one of the unix
:>newsreaders such as trn which also can check the entire article..
:>These newsreaders are more difficult to learn and require a unix shell
:>access.

Sheldon,

I suppose that only the most spineless coward would resort to such a tactic. 
But on the other hand, it might be best for those ostriches who don't want 
their flawed belief system shaken by the truth; better their heads remain in 
the sand.  Also, It relieves me from responding to some of their nonsensical 
post which they feel compelled to make. You are probably doing me and all 
other rational and open-minded persons a favor by recommending this 
particular 'Windoze' newsreader.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845005685$5226@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>
:>
:>In article <844857184$28452@atype.com>, firebird@gate.net (Venom) writes:
:>
:>>>the Latinos who came to build a life where they could feed their 
:>>>families.
:>
:>> Built on the premise of both welfare and illegal entry.
:>
:>Do you care so little for your own children that you would not do
:>likewise? We may debate whether we should or should not -let- them, but we
:>should not deny their love for their children and families.

Let me get this straight, it's OK to be a criminal and a parasite? Typical 
liberal bilge. Is it any wonder this country is in the crapper with 
nincompoops like these running things? Let me suggest to you that if they 
have that 'right' (in your demented mind), then I must, as a 
natural-born White citizen, have a more legitament right to remove these 
illegal parasites for the best interests of MY FAMILY. 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845019183$5572@atype.com> - haji@u.washington.edu (H. McDaniel) wri
tes:
:>>Excuse me, but your completely out of line. Maybe you should spend
:>>some time looking up the facts and less time acting like a child?
:>
:>If you ever had the courage to go to Africa or meet some people from
:>there, you'd find out that there are a lot of Black engineers, doctors and
:>so on with full credentials from U.S. institutions. How do you explain
:>it?

Since you scrupulously avoided a direct answer, but only gave something that 
looked like an answer, I will attempt to explain it. Your silly example that 
there are some black engineers, etc. in Africa does not in any way dispute 
the fact that American Blacks consistantly score 15 point lower than Whites 
and Asians on IQ tests. That's been the case for seventy years and 
is still true today. Certainly, even given that, there will be some Blacks 
who are about the average and will be able to achieve some scholastic and 
profession status. Since no says that ALL Blacks have low IQs, your statement 
makes no sense and certainly doesn't dispute anything.



:>Race has nothing to do with intelligence.

Wrong. Would you care to back-up that statement with something other than 
your own unsubstantiated pronouncement.



:>Genes might but what makes
:>the apparent difference we call race is a *very* tiny bit of your genes.
:>It's like trying to say that green eyed people are smarter than blue eyed
:>people. 

Again, do you have any proof?


:>How can we respect someone unable to respect himself?  If someone finds
:>it necessary to put others down in order to feel secure/intelligent.........

More liberal babbling - standard stock and trade of a liberal: when you have 
nothing of substance to add to the discussion, resort to personal attack and 
insult. McDaniel, you and your kind have lost this debate so many times that 
I find it amazing that you don't pick another topic. But, please realize that 
I understand that the whole liberal philosophy is based on the fraudulent 
premise of 'equality' and that if your premise is undermined, then your whole 
philosophy is consequently destroyed. It's a frightening prospect to have 
one's belief system shown to be utterly false.

Hopefully, you will someday develope the courage to face that fact that 
nothing in this world is equal, not individuals or races, anymore than 
everything else that Nature has created.

It's always easier to believe in emotionally satisfying delusions, than to 
face stark reality and if there were no consequences to such activity, it 
really wouldn't matter what anyone thought about such things. Make-believe 
and fantasy are generally the realm of children, however as adults we are 
expected to be at least somewhat more rational.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845077705$8210@atype.com> - medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. Me
dintz) writes:
:>
:>
:>Whilst completely naked, Ian McKinney said unto us:
:>
:>>In fact, I think a lot of White peole wish those anti-miscegination 
:>>laws were still in effect.
:>
:>Showing that, not only do you not know any Black, Latino, or Jewish people,
:>but you don't know that many White gentiles either.

Another demonstration of someone not knowing what they're talking about. 
(And that seems to be an epidemic among your kind). However, just for the 
record, I've lived and worked with people of all races, and my sister is 
married to a Jew. As a matter of fact, I've lived for substantial periods of 
time in some of the multi-racial hotbeds in America. So I am not some long 
distance observer making condemnations from some safe, mostly White suburb; 
I've spent quite a bit of time right in the middle of these multi-racial 
'paradises' and know first-hand what I'm talking about. 

I'll say that at least 80% of the Whites I have work with oppose 
race-mixing. That's not just my guess - that estimate comes from their 
unsolicited statements or from my personally asking them about it. One 
co-worker told me that he has warned all three of his daughters that if they 
choose to mate with a non-white they will be disowned and forbidden to ever 
set foot in his house ever. Another recently remarked that he'd rather his 
kid be a homosexual than a race-mixer. Yet another expressed his violent 
opposition to his kids engaging in race-mixing. Some of the others are less 
outspoken, but the race problem is not an uncommon topic of lunch-time 
discussions - I know what they think.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845095683$8988@atype.com> - knbell  writes:

Since my respones to AHABIZ didn't appear on my server, I will utilize this 
message.

:>
:>AHABIZ wrote:
:>> 
:>> In article <844783384$24774@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>> writes:
:>> 
:>> >Can you prove that charge of IQ tests being 'culturally and gender
:>> biased?'
:>> 
:>> certainly, since in my graduate school work I assisted in administering a
:>> number of them.  

This hardly makes you an expert. I built a couple of model rockets, but that 
doesn't make me a rocket scientist.


:>>An excellent example comes to mind in the case of a
:>> second-grader whose mother wanted to get him into a certain private school
:>> which required such a test.  The child failed one portion of the test
:>> simply because he could not identify which of five objects was used to
:>> talk to others.  The object the test required him to pick was a picture of
:>> a 1960's era telephone.  Problem was, the kid was from a home where all of
:>> the phones were cordless, and none had rotary dials on them...in fact
:>> until being shown one by a fellow researcher, the child had never *seen* a
:>> rotary dial before.  Cultural bias.

I can't believe the results of this child's test were skewed dramatically by 
one question. This example is absurd. Let me give you an example that I know 
about. My daughter spent the first 4 years of her life living on a sailboat. 
We had no telephone, refrigerator, television, and many other things many 
people take for granted in their daily life. We lived an unusual lifestyle by 
any standards. Nonetheless, when tested at school at age six, she was in the 
99th percentile in reading, and averaged 75 to 80% in other areas.

While I don't deny that some results can be lowered some by 'bias' I think 
that does not explain how the average Black IQ is 15 points lower.

:>> 
:>> In the case of testing that is supposedly related to intelligence which is
:>> gender-biased (although in this case culturally biased as well) the best
:>> example is the SAT, prior to 1990 - the baseline scores for the old SAT
:>> were drawn from a totally male population base...I could go on with other
:>> examples, but the research is out there for you to find if you'll only
:>> look.  I'd suggest starting with the PSYLIT database at your local
:>> university and searching on the terms gender and bias, for starters.

You operate from the premise that all people - male, female, Black, White, 
and Asian - have absolutely the same intelligence and then postulate that if 
any differences in IQ occur, then it just MUST be due to 'bias.' I reject 
that reverse premise based upon common sense. With regard to male and female, 
any mother can tell you that male and female babies have different 
temperments. I've seen that with my own eyes on so many occasions that it's 
simply inarguable. People are not the same.



:>> >Iwould like to know how a mathematical question can be biased?
:>> 
:>> use a story question which speaks to things outside of the frame of
:>> reference of the tested subject.

That's not the example used in the cases I'm referring to. The tests that 
form my basis are ones that require someone to recite a number sequence 
forward and backward. The results are that Blacks do as well as Whites when 
reciting the numbers from low to high, but don't do as well when going in 
reverse. Tell me, how can that test be 'culturally biased?' This is what I 
would call a neutral test.

:>> 
:>> >Besides, where
:>> >do you think American Blacks live, in the North Pole?
:>> 
:>> suburbs, rural areas, inner cities, all of the same places the rest of us
:>> live.  Where do *you* think they live, Ian?

Thanks. You just proved my point. Blacks live in all those places and hence 
your 'culturally biased' premise is mostly nonsense. They speak the same 
language and are familiar with the popular culture through television. 
They're not living in a cave somewhere - totally cut off from the rest of 
society.


:>> 
:>> > Your assertion falls
:>> >flat when you consider that Blacks score lowest on what are called
:>> >'culturally neutral'(math) parts of IQ tests and do best on 'culturally
:>> >loaded' (verbal) parts.
:>> 
:>> there are no culturally neutral IQ tests...anyone who claims that such a
:>> thing exists is operating from a position of gross ignorance on the topic
:>> of educational testing.

Please explain how reciting sequences of numbers is biased? What kind of 
contortions you will need to do that, I can only imagine.



:>> > I might emphasize this point by pointing out that
:>> >American Indians score 5-10 higher than Blacks. I would say that these IQ
:>> >tests would be at least as 'biased' against them as they would be against
:>> >Blacks.
:>> 
:>> Which Native Americans and which African Americans, ian?  Where do they
:>> live?  What's their median income level?  What are the priorities of the
:>> local culture and society?  

Those are the average scores for all of those tested. I'm not picking and 
choosing.


:>> Only racists think in terms of external
:>> characteristics like skin color, ian, the rest of us pay attention to the
:>> cultural effects on a person's individual perspective...

I've said this before, skin color has nothing to do with it. There are many 
physical attributes that designate races besides skin color.


:>> > So how do explain that Blacks consistantly score lower than every
:>> >other racial/ethnic group. Even recent immigrants with obvious
:>> >language/culture deficencies do better.
:>> 
:>> they don't.  you are using white supremacist propaganda for your
:>> information, and as I told you before it's all a lie.

Bullshit. As far as I know, there are no 'white supremacist' organizations 
now conducting reaserch on IQ. So I guess you must mean that the KKK 
underwrote the Bell Curve, huh? Or I suppose that Dr. Jensen is recieving 
secret payoffs from the Nazi Party? Wait a minute! You must mean that Dr. 
Baker of Oxford is a secret member of a racist organization that's so secret 
that nobody knows about it. That's it. If any book or author says that IQs 
vary among racial groups, then that's abosolute evidence that such person 
must be operating at the command of racists!

You're nuts.


:>> >Also, you can't explain why the 15 point IQ gap between Blacks and Whites
:>> >has remained virtually consistant even when every effort has been made to
:>> >make the tests as 'unbiased' as possible.
:>> 
:>> I have never seen any evidence of this 'gap' and other than racist
:>> fantasy, you wont be able to show me any now.

If you haven't seen the evidence, then you don't know anything about IQ 
studies. Its only been around since WWI. I'd like to know about a IQ test 
that didn't show Blacks scoring lower than Whites. And I'm not talking about 
the kind that takes Whites from some backwoods hillbilly area and compares 
them to some group of select Blacks from a middle class area half way across 
the country. I want apples and apples. The test subjects must be from the 
same school, town, etc.


 
:>> >The companies that create these tests bend-over backwards to make the 
:>> >tests unbiased, if for nothing else, to make theirs more appealling to 
:>> >the schools that use them.
:>> 
:>> ah, so you'd rather pay attention to the marketting blather of the testing
:>> companies than actual research?  sorry ian, no sale.

No, I'm saying that a company that produces tests which are even suspected of 
bias will not be able to market their tests. So, if nothing else, the 
companies are motivated to do whatever they can to ensure that no bias exists.


:>> 
:>> >The Bell Curve shows pretty conclusively that regardless of how you want
:>> to denigrate IQ testing, IQ still remains a fairly accurate predictor of
:>> future performance.
:>> 
:>> The Bell Curve demonstrates nothing except that the ongoing cultural
:>> biases of testing, combined with the fact that two ph.d.'s writing totally
:>> outside their area of expertise, were able to get a book published.  Big
:>> deal.

You still scrupulously avoid disproving their thesis, but only attack them 
for being outside their area of expertise. Are you going to tell me that 
Arthur Jensen is outside his area when he says that the IQ gap is undeniable. 
He's only one of the foremost experts on intelligence.


:>> >For our discussion, that point is not important, (and not wholly
:>> >applicable), because regardless of how you want to confuse things,
:>> everybody can distinguish differences between a Black person and a White, 
:>> or an Asian, or an Austroloid.
:>> 
:>> ian, the *only* thing you can differentiate is the color of their skin,
:>> you can make something of a guess at the color of their hair, and you can
:>> also *guess* at the possiblity of an individual's genetic predisposition
:>> toward certain disease factors.  Anything beyond that is racist fantasy,
:>> pure and simple.

Are you trying to say that I couldn't distinguish an albino negroid? That's 
the biggest howler I've heard today. Forget skin color! You could make an 
Asian the same color as a White and even give him blue eyes and I'll bet you 
that I would have no problem picking him from a line-up of Whites. Do the 
same with a Black and I'll pick him out every time. You could take a group of 
Blacks, Whites, and Asians, and paint them purple from head to toe, and I 
could tell them apart. Is that 'racist fantasy?'




Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844929195$2526@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>my goodness the nazis are coming out of the woodwork this week, aren't
:>they?
:>
:>In article <844790584$25287@atype.com>, "W.R. Giacona" 
:>writes:
:>
:>> the failure of apartheid in South Africa was mainly caused by other 
:>>nations putting sanctions on the country. 
:>
:>ah, so even though the Black population is 10 times that of the
:>european-descended population, the european-descended population wasn't
:>loosing on the basis of shear numbers?  

And where did that Black population come from? Were they dragged to South 
Africa by the Whites? No. They came there of their own free will looking for 
jobs. Many were on the losing end of tribal wars and had no place else to go. 
So the dumb Whites there said: "Ok, you can come here and we'll give you some 
jobs and some rudimentry education. We'll even give you some housing." In 
other words, they offered the magnet to attract even more Blacks, and when 
the Black numbers rose and they got the world's liberals on their side, they 
demanded that the country be given to them. It matters not at all to these 
liberal idiots that they'll destroy it. Every significant thing that 
distinguishes South Africa from all the backward, Third-World, countries in 
Africa, is what the Whites made of it. It will probably follow the course of 
Rhodesia and the rest - back to the jungle. 

Already the anarchy is increasing. Johanesburg is now one of the most 
dangerous cities on Earth. Black thug gangs rove the highways robbing anyone 
they can, Black squatters are camping in the backyards of White homes. I 
wonder how many of you would put-up with that? In five years the place will 
be unrecognizable.


:>>If you look at apartheid in South 
:>>Africa you will see the only country in sub-Saharan Africa that was even 
:>>close to working. 
:>
:>eh?  fascism may "work" for the fascist elite, but oppression especially
:>the large scale oppression caused by the apartheid laws is never an
:>indication that a democratic society is working...go back and start over
:>w.r.

Fascism? Democracy? You don't know what the hell you're talking about. What's 
this talk about 'democracy' anyway coming from a supposed militia bigwig? You 
know well that even the US was intended to be a republic and not a democracy. 
John Adams warned against it: "Democracy has always been incompatible with 
personal freedom and the rights of property." 

According to the pre-ww2 American military manual - democracy is mobocracy. 
Well, the mob won in South Africa, now let's see what happens. Anyone care to 
make a forecast?


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845096620$9061@atype.com> - Herb  <103250.3233@CompuServe.COM> writ
es:

:>Gun control is a collectivist scheme. The collectivists don't 
:>give two hoots and a holler whether it is nazi(facist) or 
:>communist so long as they are in control as they have been for 
:>the last century (at least). Lets just not let them take our 
:>rights as bestowed by God or we will all be the worse for it.

Please provide your documentation that Hitler banned guns. You can't. The 
whole story is nothing more than a scam to deflect the blame for gun control 
away from liberals, marxists, and the anti-gun Liberal Jewish Establishment. 
The National Alliance translated the German Gun Law and it is clear that 
Hitler did not ban guns, in fact the NS government softened the much more 
restrictive gun laws previously passed by the pro-leftist government several 
years earlier. Get the documention.

See http://www.natvan.com. Order the English translation of the 1938 German 
Gun Law available from them - and read it for yourself and compare it to the 
previous laws. 

Don't believe all that Birch propaganda.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845103819$9373@atype.com> - "Ken P."  writes:
:>How many?  It certainly wasn't Six Million (registered trademark), it
:>was a small fraction of that.  Where is your sympathy and outrage over
:>the multitudes of others that were murdered during the first half of
:>this century, especially the tens of millions by the Bolshevik
:>Revolution?

Certainly, you must know by now that only Jewish deaths count. After all, 
those 80 million that were murdered by the USSR were just goyim and not 
worth worrying about. However, let one country lay a hand on a Jew and its an 
international outrage, it will be covered in the news ad nauseum, and 
probably the US would be poised on the verge of going to war. 

Of course, the fact remains that many of those butchered in Russia and other 
places just happened to have been killed with Jewish hands. Having that 
information too widely known might cancel alot of the undeserved sympathy the 
Jews derive from the 'holocaust.' That's one good reason why you will never 
hear about it, at least while the current Jewish media domination is still in 
place.

The double standard stinks to high heaven.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <844741104$22744@atype.com> - haji@u.washington.edu (H. McDaniel) wr
ites:
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) writes:
:>>I think the latter has become 
:>>especially apparent when one considers the tremendous proportion of 
:>>interracial attacks committed by Blacks against Whites. There are nearly one 
:>>MILLION annually - 90% against Whites and 99% of interracial rapes are White 
:>>women being raped by Blacks. It's should actually be described as a race war 
:>>in which only one side is fighting - the Blacks.
:>
:>1. Where is your source for the 99% figure.

The FBI Uniform Crime Report. There were articles on the topic which 
appeared in National Review a couple of years ago and Pat Buchanan brought 
out the same statistics in one of his columns.


:>2. Why don't you protest the rape of fine slave girls by your forefathers in
:>   the same manner you condem Jefferson.  My bet is a couple of your relatives
:>   kissing cousins & parents aren't "pure" as a result.  Must give you the ibby
:>   jibbes at night just thinking about it.

I oppose race-mixing in all forms and especially condemn any White man who 
rapes, or has sex in any other way, with a non-white female. Equally, I 
condemn any White woman who mates with non-whites. It's an abomination 
regardless of who and when.

Fortunately, my ancestors were not involved with slavery. None were in states 
where slavery was widespread, and most were small farmers without the 
necessary resources to own slaves.

FYI, I have photos of most of my ancestors going back four generations, and 
there is no sign of Negroid admixture, and I know there hasn't been any 
since. Based upon that, I'm absolutely certain, at the very least, that I 
have no measurable amount of Negro genes. So don't get your hopes up. 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845077684$8168@atype.com> - johannes@ix.netcom.com (John C. Stephen
s III) writes:
:>
:>
:>In <845052493$7173@atype.com> FrankR@ou.edu (Frank R) writes: 
:>>
:>>
:>>What is the most influential, single, and comprehensive piece of
:>reading
:>>if a person wants to learn more about the New World Order?
:>
:>The Illuminatus! trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson.  Guarenteed to put the
:>whole thing in perspective.

The best source, without a doubt, for anyone to understand what's behind the 
New World Order, is to go to 'http://www.natvan.com' and look around.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845160483$11246@atype.com> - dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) w
rites:
:>
:>
:>thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:
:>
:>
:>>In World War II, we sided with the most brutal nation ever known to
:>>man: The Soviet Union. 
:>
:>Of course if Hitler hadn't declared war on the US we wouldn't have
:>been allied 'with the most brutal nation ever known'.

If you knew anything about Roosevelt, you'd know that he would use any tactic 
to get the US into the European war. Since it was no secret that Germany and 
Japan had an mutual protection treaty, it's obvious that if war could be 
instigated (as it was) with Japan, then Germany would be forced to abide by 
its part of the agreement and declare war also. It has been recently 
disclosed, there were several communist agents operating in the Roosevelt 
regime. Also considering Roosevelt's close affinity for the Jewish 
establishment, war with Germany was inevitable regardless of whether Germany 
declared war or not. As it turned-out Roosevelt had plum fall into his lap.



:>>We allied ourselves with a nation which under
:>>Lenin had just murdered up to 25 million people in the Ukraine alone.
:>
:>Try Stalin.  Consider one thing though.  The Ukrainians had a choice
:>of being slaughtered by the Germans or Stalin and in the end they
:>chose Stalin.

That's nonsense. You forget the fact that Germany had whole divisions of 
soldiers made-up of men from all over Europe, including the Ukraine. They 
even has Cossack caverymen. Germany recruited anti-communists from nearly 
every country in Europe including Spain, Holland, and yes, even many 
Russians. Their common enemy - Bolshevism.

There were even Americans and English who went to Germany to aid in the fight 
against communism.



:>>we turn half the world over to the Jewish butchers in Russia. 
:>
:>Just how did we do that.  The only areas the US turned over to the
:>Soviet Union were in Eastern Germany and western Czechoslovakia.  The
:>Soviet Union liberated the rest of Eastern Europe (excluding
:>Yugoslavia and Greece).

We held our troops back so the Russians could take take several important 
cities. General Patton knew what was happening and refuse to sit back and 
allow the Russians walk right in - he kept moving forward. Finally, they 
cut-off his fuel so the Russians could have their way. They had their way 
alright - mass murder and the largest mass-rape of women (and girls) in all 
of history.


:>>According to the
:>>Alexander Solzhenitsyn in the Gulag Archipelago, estimates run a high
:>>as 100 million people were then mass murdered. Entire part of the
:>>populations of East Europeans countries were sent to slave labor camps
:>>in Siberia. Millions of women were raped and WE are to blame for these
:>>terrible crimes. 
:>
:>Are we?  For not extending the Second World War into the Soviet Union?

We should have fought with Germany. Russia was a menace from the beginning 
and was undoubtedly the most murderous country in history. Smashed at 
that time, communism would have died-off and the world would have 
been a much better place. Soviet brutality being equalled only possibly by 
Red China. But of course, Roosevelt legitimized that menace to begin with by 
diplomatically recognizing the USSR to begin with years before. Roosevelt was 
a Red sympathizer. He had commies in his administration, his nutty wife was 
known to associate with commies. When you consider the background on the 
Roosevelt regime, there's no doubt that even had Hitler behaved as a saint, 
FDR would have still found cause to side with Russia against Germany.


:>
:>> Now I ask YOU, how does the blood on the hands of America look, or do
:>>only Jews count? I read your words and they drip blood. Who are you to
:>>claim intellectual or philosophic superiority? You are a hypocrite. 
:>
:>So the US is responsible for what happened in the former Soviet Union?
:>Just how do you figure that.  Or do you suggest that we should have
:>nuked them backed to the stoneage.

Why are we responsible for the 'holocaust?' That's what some Jews say - "You 
should have stopped the gassings by attacking the camps. You didn't, so now 
you owe us." We have a multi-million dollar 'holocaust' museum in Washington, 
but no comparable memorial to the many dozens of millions butchered by the 
commies.


:>Who doesn't except human differences.  Everyone on this group have met
:>others that are different in different ways.  What I object to are the
:>people who class different by race, creed and national origin.  

Forget 'creed' or 'national origin.' But what if it is perfectly possible to 
make reasonable generalizations concerning races as groups based upon sound 
evidence? I'm willing to admit that all members of each respective race may 
not necessarily fit those generalizations, but when discussing racial groups, 
they are reasonable. We make generalizations about everything else, why are 
generalizations about race strictly taboo?



:>Take a
:>look at the places in the world where people separate according to
:>race, creed and national origin.  The former Yugoslavia, Beirut, Sri
:>Lanka, Northern Ireland and Pakistan/India.  Real peaceful places
:>aren't they?

Conflicts will occur wherever humans live. The are many causes for conflict: 
economics, politics, territory, and especially religion. But let's look at 
the examples you gave:

Yugoslavia: The people of this country were kept under control by an 
Iron-heel communist dictator. Their salvation rests on meddlers like the US 
recognizing that ethnic separation is the only solution there. Also religous 
conflicts are a main reason too: Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Moslem.

Beirut: Religion again.

Sri Lanka: Not for racial reasons

Northern Ireland: Religion again.

Pakistan/India: I'm not up on this conflict.


:>> Enough said. I know that you do not represent "Constitutional
:>>militia" members. I have met many who are just as patriotic, and just
:>>as racially conscience as I am. Our race IS our nation. It might help
:>>you to remember that.
:>
:>By this do you mean:
:>
:>1.  Race defines your Nation

Race superceds national boundries. Personally, I have more loyalty to a 
fellow White racialist wherever they may be, than I have to Black Haitian 
living in America. Does that make it clear?

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845156899$11108@atype.com> - e142857@teleport.com (Walter Ulrich) 
writes:
:>
:>
:>You must be very, very insecure within yourself and have grave doubts about
:>your >own< intelligence to dwell upon such matters. Guess you have no real
:>life of your own, right?
:>   
:>Back up your own slimy bigotry, dickhead.
:>  
:>Proof of what? "People" are >different<; different races of people have
:>different qualities and aptitudes. It makes them neither "superior" or
:>"inferior" to other races, just different.  
:>  
:>You're one sick puppy, Ian. An empty life of hate. Even George Wallace
:>managed to realize the futility of putting others down because of their
:>race. 
:>  
:>What the fuck are you talking about? "Nature" is a >whole<, made up of
:>ALL its parts. None less "equal" than any other.
:>  
:>Go to hell. 
:>


The preceding are excerted comments from Walter and constitute his pathetic 
attempt at intelligent debate. Please note the abundance of hysterical 
personal insults, profanity, and illogic. All of which are standard operating 
practice for any liberal when someone stands on his air hose. 

Please, stay tuned for more of Walter's asinine and repulsive comments.

Does Walter typlify the mentality of all militia people. God, I hope not!

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845162317$11388@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845111915$9616@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
:>writes:
:>> Are you a Marxist?
:>
:>No, I'm a Christian.  Oh and that thumping sound you heard was all of the
:>leftists who monitor the newsgroup falling over laughing at the thought of
:>someone mistaking me for a marxist...seems you don't know much about
:>Christianity *or* Libertarianism, do you?
:>
:>Arlin H. Adams


Now I understand. I heard Marxism described as Christianity without 
the God. That is why it applies in your case. That doesn't mean that all 
Christians believe in the bilge you put out on race. I know Christians, 
degreed in Christianity, that understand the statements regarding equality 
which are twisted by the liberals, refer only to spiritual matters. The idea 
that all are equal before God, doesn't mean that all races are equal.

Are you a Marxist? Well, you obviously accept the foundational false premise 
of Marxism - universal human equality - so, in a sense, you are most 
certainly a Marxist - at least a racial Marxist.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845185691$12302@atype.com> - dstowers@wolfenet.com (Drew Stowers) w
rites:
:>>Of course, the fact remains that many of those butchered in Russia and other 
:>>places just happened to have been killed with Jewish hands. 
:>
:>Not to mention all the good Christians and good atheist  who were
:>involved.

Jews were vastly over-represented. 75% of the original Commisars were Jews. 
(Don't bother challenging that, because I've got copies of the diplomatic 
telegrams from US represenatives to prove it).


:>>Having that information too widely known might cancel alot of the undeserved sympathy the 
:>>Jews derive from the 'holocaust.' That's one good reason why you will never 
:>>hear about it, at least while the current Jewish media domination is still in 
:>>place.
:>
:>Who hasn't heard of the Stalinist slaughter.  It is in all the history
:>books.  There was even a PBS special that not only covered it but it
:>also covered those who sought to cover it up in 1930s and 1940s.

We don't have anything comparable to the  multi-million dollar 'Holocaust' 
museum in Washington DC for the deaths due to communism.

Neither do we have special programs for the public schools to discuss 
communism and the deaths caused by it. Many schools now have 'holocaust week' 
and spend the whole time looking at so-called documentries, movies, and 
reading 'holocaust' propaganda. Nothing even remotely similar for communism.

How about all the movies and 'documentries' on the 'holocaust' that we see 
coming-out nearly every year? Nothing like that about communism.

Everytime I turn around I'm hearing about the 'holocaust.'

Its a scam!


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845178501$12006@atype.com> - medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. M
edintz) writes:
:>None for you and your fellow traitors to every goddamn thing that this 
:>country ever claimed to stand for.
:>
:>None at all.

Based upon what I've read from you and your fellow 'Militia' buddies, you 
don't have a clue as to what this country is based on. I'm absolutely 
certain that it wasn't based on your politically correct version of leftist 
'patriotism.' Thirty years ago your kind were running around the country with 
long hair, love beads, and head bands. Today, you're preaching the same 
leftist crap, except you now wear camoflage and brag about how you're going 
to shoot-up the Feds. What are you going to do to me shoot me if I don't 
swallow the Marxist party line on race? 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845188399$12505@atype.com> - haji@u.washington.edu (H. McDaniel) 
writes:
:>And you can bet your ginger
:>pawn shop iron cross and lilly white face paint that *you* found the sort
:>of racists friends you looked for when working at that British company.
:>

Wrong, back then I actually believed all racial marxism preached by the 
liberals. Back then I was horrified at these Limeys not being politically 
correct. In other words, I was like you. 

Later, I woke-up.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845187509$12434@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
rk T Pitcavage) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <844656483$18292@atype.com>,
:>Ian McKinney  wrote:
:>>
:>>Ford was simply exposing some of
:>>this dangerous or dishonest Jewish activity. Ford also happened to be right
:>>in some of his criticism, or are you going to tell me that the Jews are
:>>different from everybody else and never do anything wrong? PLEASE.
:>
:>You blithering idiot.  He distributed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.  

He distributed a book he himself commissioned. Not the Protocols


:>People who are Jewish are no different from everybody else.  

That's not what the Jews say. According to them, they're 'God's Chosen 
People' destined to rule the world, and all other people were put here by 
their God to serve them. If you have a problem with that, then I suggest you 
take it up with the Jews.


:>Some do good things; some do bad.

Yes, but when the Jews do something wrong, nobody can talk about it.


:>Making judgments on them based on their race, rather than as individuals 
:>who make individual decisions, is simply simplistic racism.

I judge Jewish individuals as individuals. But I judge the Jews as a whole by 
what they, as a group, do. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845173109$11812@atype.com> - medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. M
edintz) writes:

:>What's really amazing to me, is that McKinney is so far separated from 
:>reality that he considers MCDANIEL to be a liberal.

Anyone who believes in universal human equality (U.H.E.) is a liberal. It 
doesn't really matter what you want to call yourself. U.H.E. is the bedrock 
of both liberalism AND communism. As long as McDainiel refuses to see that 
U.H.E. is nothing more than communism is disguise, then he will remain 
fundamentally a liberal. It makes not difference if he hates Clinton or has a 
whole arsenal of guns in his house. Liberalism is liberalism.


:>Why do McKinney, Strom, and Da Bok hang around here, after it's become
:>obvious that nobody's really all that interested in their crap? Could it
:>be some sort of political sadomasocism? 

I'm here, at least, to help prevent some unsuspecting, well-meaning, White 
person from getting sucked into your Marxist Militia ideology. It's just 
liberalism dressed-up in camo.


:>You nazi freaks want to be whipped
:>too??? This is supposed to be a G (Okay, PG-13)-rated newsgroup.

Nazi freaks? Listen to him!


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845189290$12553@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
rk T Pitcavage) writes:
:>I have to agree with Chapman.  Besides, the newsgroup is a lot more fun when 
:>talking about wacky conspiracies than it is when it is combatting the drearily 
:>tedious posts of Nazis.

Definition:

TEDIOUS POSTS - Messages that require excessive amounts of mental energy to 
refute. Posts that cannot be refuted, and which can only be responded to with 
personal insult and mendacious, fraudulent arguments.

NAZIS - Persons who doesn't subscribe to the doctrine of Racial Marxism.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845267588$20001@atype.com> - Robert Ireland  wri
tes:
:>So, are you're saying what is actually going on here is we have one
:>schizo nazi posting under 3 different aliases, and another one
:>encouraging the behavior?
:>

Once again we find the 'Marxist Militia' engaging in the delusions of which 
liberals are famous. Let me assure you that The Bok, Ken, knbell, and I are 
most certainly four separate individuals.

If you care to arrange a wager, I, and I'm sure, the other three will be more 
than happy to relieve you of your money. Ha, ha, ha!

You people are absolutely amazing!

Do you inhale that stuff?

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845259513$19049@atype.com> - joe@junior.apk.net (Joseph T. Adams) w
rites:
:>
:>
:>
:>What exactly is the difference between National Socialism (Naziism)
:>and Bolshevik Socialism (Communism)?
:>
:>What do *either* of these diabolical systems have in common with
:>freedom?
:>
:>I oppose both, and I oppose them for exactly the same reason.  Each
:>asserts its superiority over liberty, over the human conscience, over
:>all human institutions, and I dare say even over God Himself.

How can you oppose something which you admit your ignorance of? That doesn't 
surprise me though, since that particular malady is epidemic on this NG.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845260431$19209@atype.com> - wugga@aol.com (Wugga) writes:
:>
:>
:>Re all the talk about Jews controlling the media:  What of it?

Would you be so nonchalant if the nazis controlled the media?

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845260410$19161@atype.com> - joe@junior.apk.net (Joseph T. Adams) w
rites:
:>
:>Ian McKinney (mckinney@usaor.net) wrote:
:>
:>: What are you going to do to me shoot me if I don't 
:>: swallow the Marxist party line on race? 
:>
:>If you try to cause irreparable harm to any American in my presence,
:>regardless of the race of that American, then I will do whatever is
:>necessary to stop you, and if it is necessary to shoot you, I will.

You're one trigger-happy idiot. You're dangerous fanatic.



:>Until then, I will continue to view you and your ideas with contempt,
:>and oppose them until my dying breath.

Save the histrionics. Nobody's impressed.


:>You have the right to express your ideas; however, some of those ideas
:>are such that any attempt to act upon them would violate the rights of
:>others, and would therefore be illegal.  (The same thing is true of
:>some of the ideas advocated by statists here as well, and CERTAINLY
:>those of the violent anarchists).

Violent anarchists!!!??? What on Earth are you talking about?


:>As long as you are all talk and no action, we will merely watch you.

Jeez! You got me shaking now.


:>Act on them to the detriment of the rights of Americans, of ANY color,
:>and you will either go to jail, or die.


This whole post typlifies the paranoid, but self-righteous, dementia that 
unfortunately permeates far too many minds in the right-wing. I can't help 
being reminded of so many big-mouth, gun toting "patriots". Yea, they got a 
house full of guns, reloading manuals all over the house, thousands of 
rounds, books on bombs and machine guns, and they spend lots of 
time fantasizing and making threats about who they're going to shoot. And 
when the Feds smash down your door, you don't even get-off one damn shot. 

Come down out of your fantasy world and understand that you're not going to 
shoot anyone. Spend more time understanding who is trying to take your gun 
and why, and less time with false bravado while trying to intimidate people 
like me.

Besides, I don't spend any time doing likewise. What do you and the morons 
like you think, that I and other racialists sit around dreaming about beating 
or shooting some Black or other non-white? (I don't have the time even if I 
wanted to). 

You're a fool, and a self-righteous one at that.

Everybody should avoid this kind of person. He represents a danger to any 
patriotic organization - even the kind that's typlified by some of those I 
strenuously disagree with on this NG.

This type is pure suckerbait for any government agent provacator.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845244200$16907@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes
:
:>
:>
:>In article <845218110$13980@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Are you a Marxist? Well, you obviously accept the foundational 
:>>false premise of Marxism - universal human equality - so, in a 
:>>sense, you are most certainly a Marxist - at least a racial Marxist.
:>
:>hmmmmm .... now we've got the militias placed in the same group as we
:>liberals are???? Geez, never thought I'd see that day!

Most of the Militia people I've ever run into are racists to some degree. 
Besides, it's well known that the Militia of Montana has ties to racial 
groups, and an in-the-know aquiantance of mine from Michigan assures me that 
the Michigan Militia has many racialist members. You people are a bunch of 
wannabes.


:>Interestingly, this implies that Ian believes that
:>human/civil/personal/property rights in general are also a marxist idea.

Don't misrepresent my position. What I'm saying is that the doctrine of 
racial equality is Marxist. That is all. You might to avoid it, but it's 
undeniably true.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845266746$19962@atype.com> - Robert Ireland  wri
tes:
:>
:>
:>AHABIZ wrote:
:>> 
:>> In article <845218110$13980@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>> writes:
:>> 
:>> > That doesn't mean that all
:>> >Christians believe in the bilge you put out on race.
:>> 
:>> Funny, all the Christians I know believe in the equality of *all* people.

None that I know do.

 
:>> > I know Christians, degreed in Christianity,
:>> 
:>> name two and where they got their degrees.  I know there are leaders in
:>> the identity movement who espouse your racist views, but they are NOT
:>> Christian, even as identity is not.

I know one personally who graduated with honors from a legitiment theological 
seminary - I don't recall the name. He's not Identity though. But he is a 
deacon and a sunday school teacher in a church in Virginia. He's also a 
member of the Mensus society.

Although I'm not a Chrtistian, we have discussed the bible in relation to 
racialism and he has stated numerous times that there is no incompatibility. 
That doesn't mean he approves of violence or disrespect to non-whites, but 
instead that equality, on a biological basis, is not supported or advocated 
in the Bible.

:>> 
:>> > that understand the statements regarding equality
:>> >which are twisted by the liberals, refer only to spiritual matters.
:>> 
:>> That is decidedly untrue.  We are COMMANDED to treat all people as
:>> equal...if you own a Bible, you might check out Luke 10: 25-37, where
:>> Jesus specificly uses an example of equality in the physical realm.
:>> 



Treating as equal and being equal in a racial sense is not the same. For 
example, in my daily affairs, I treat individuals whether they be Black, 
Asian, or White with the same respect that they, as individuals, deserve. 

However, that does not blind me to the reality of race as it relates to 
curent politics and social trends. When Jesse Jackson leads a parade at a 
university and chants: "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Culture's gotta go", I 
take that as a direct threat to my race and heritage. When I hear about White 
kids in schools being terrorized by Black thugs and juvenile rapists - like 
what happened to my niece and nephew a couple of years ago - I take that as a 
threat. And when I read FBI statistics that almost one million White people 
are attacked by Blacks annually, then I'm concerned. These are just three 
of many examples that I could give of what motivates folks like me and why 
we cannot avoid the racial situation in America. However, that doesn't mean 
that I want to lynch Blacks, burn Jews, etc. I am interested in solving the 
racial morass with common sense and the belief that peace will not come to 
the world until the malevolent anti-nature forces, who want to destroy all 
ethnic groups and races around the world, are destroyed. 

The difference between many of you and myself is that I accept mankind for 
what it is and, not like the liberals, for what they think they can 
imagine it to be, or make it into - the products of social engineering. Race 
is natural, its instinctive, and its necessary for the further development of 
human beings. Likewise, competition is natural and necessary to move forward. 
Competition cannot exist when everyone's the same. The World Elite (and that, 
unfortunately, includes many renegade Whites) want no competition. They have 
all the power and don't plan on giving it up. Most of you view the "New 
World Order" as a threat to you guns and freedom, but it is much more than 
that. It is unnatural, its evil. It wishes to destroy the differences and 
subvert the relationship between men and women (feminism) and between races 
(racial marxism). All these things were created by Nature (or God, if you 
will) and I think it is nothing short of a perverted urge to destroy all that 
is natural, which is exemplified by those which support the "New World Order".

You're either with the system or you're not.


  

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845258660$18892@atype.com> - mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman) w
rites:
:>
:>
:>Dedicated to William S. Burroughs.
:>
:>Druggies, queers,
:>coloreds and Jews,
:>I love them all,
:>and you should too.

A true degenerate barf. My opinion of the 'militia' movement sinks with each 
post you make. At one time, I thought there were some real patriots among 
you. Now I see that there are far fewer than I anticipated. Luckily, the 
militia people I've met do not subscribe to such garbage.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845355790$24164@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>Amen!  If I might add an additional point:
:>
:>Some of us are using the nazoid posts to train our leadership in how to
:>spot and counter their lies...they can then teach their unit members the
:>same things, and thus frustrate any future subversion attempts...

You people haven't counter any lies. You've attempted to dispute the 
following points while heaping an assortment of half-truths, uninformed 
statements, threats, etc:

1.) That the mainstream media is disproportionately controlled by Jews. I 
provided the documentation and you all ran from an issue you have no chance 
of refuting.

2.) That a disproportionate number of Jews are involved in efforts to take 
away guns. There's no disputing that.

3.) That Hitler did NOT encourage gun confiscation in Germany. You lost that 
one too, since you rely on hearsay while I produced facts.

4.) That intelligence is unequally distributed by race. Debate still going. 
However, I have yet to drop the bomb that will destroy your liberal arguments.

In attempting to make these points, neither I nor anyone who also supports 
these facts, have urged or avocated violence against people of color and 
Jews. However, many of you have made threats and issued numerous personal 
insults. Now you're all discussing banning me from your newsgroup. That 
reminds me distinctly of someone named Morris Dees and an organization called 
the Anti-Defamation League. You evidently want a little corner where you can 
pat each other on the back and tell each other what good patriots you are. 
You're living in a dream world. Yea, you're going to fight the Feds, but you 
can't even handle a little opposition. 

You sound like a bunch of cry-babies! 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845349529$23860@atype.com> - "Bill K."  wri
tes:
:>I'll give you a cookie if you'll just f*ck off and quit littering MAM with your
:>photocopied "arguments".


What the hell! I think I'll stay just to piss you off.

Talk about 'photocopied.' Every racial opinions posted by yourself and 
your fellow boobs were photocopied directly from the Communist Party 
platform - that's why I refer to your position as racial marxism.  
That's exactly what it is!

How's it feel to be a commie?


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845355804$24178@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>Perhaps you
:>should consider why it is that our organization, based entirely on
:>volunteers, is ever-growing, while yours is not.  Perhaps you should
:>consider why you have that funny flinch, and we don't.

National Alliance membership has been doubling for the past few years. I'd 
hardy call that not growing. Once again, you don't know what you're talking 
about!

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845425083$28060@atype.com> - brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
:>7)  Neither would our noble Forebears, who founded the Constitutional
:>Republic, and made their way across the Atlantic, dying en masse from
:>disease, starvation, privation, and Indian wars, have bothered to go
:>through such trouble to clear the Wilderness and fight Savages to found a
:>nation for THEIR own people, just so those misguidedly or deceitfully
:>calling themselves "defenders" of the Constitution could then hand it over
:>a gratis and on a silver platter to former slaves and any third-World
:>biped who happen to float into American waters.

Yes, yes, yes! This is something that these false militia, or more properly, 
Marxist Militia members refused to understand. For those of them who 
instinctually understand the danger of multi-racialism, but decide to be 
fashionable and abide by the tenents of psuedo-patriotism, the flaw is one 
of cowardice. For those that actually believe in the communist doctrine on 
race, the problem is one of them posturing as patriots while actually 
operating as a dangerous cancer among real patriots.

Indeed, they both become a true danger to anyone concerned with preserving 
America, either by providing an utterly unwholesome example of courage, or 
by being enemies within. In either case, and regardless of their gun-waving 
and talk about the Constitution, Rights, and America, they disgrace all those 
concepts by their inverted understanding of nationhood.

The nation exists to serve the race, and not to be an end in itself, and 
above all, not to serve as a vessel for the sworn enemies of that race.

The Marxist Militia say otherwise, and prefer to actually serve the New World 
Order forces that they falsely claim to oppose, and will remain to exist as 
the "Enemy Within."


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845427783$28189@atype.com> - medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. M
edintz) writes:
:>
:>
:>Whilst completely naked, Ian McKinney said unto us:
:>
:>>:>If you try to cause irreparable harm to any American in my presence,
:>>:>regardless of the race of that American, then I will do whatever is
:>>:>necessary to stop you, and if it is necessary to shoot you, I will.
:>
:>>You're one trigger-happy idiot. You're dangerous fanatic.
:>
:>Joe's a dangerous fanatic because he will do his duty to prevent forcible
:>violations of the rights of others on the basis of skin chemistry?

First, I have not, at any time, advocated or committed personally, bodily 
harm against anyone due to "skin chemistry." So let's get that out of the way.

However, I cannot fail to notice the vociferous reaction and slew of 
acusations which has followed my mere postulating that intelligence is not 
equally distributed among races. It's like stepping into a 15th century 
church and announcing that God doesn't exist. The reaction is very similar 
and, I think, motivated mostly by a reaction against the disruption of 
religous doctrine. From this flows, not rational debate, but hyterical 
attacks, threats, insults, and delusional statements. 

Aside from the insults, I read one discussion where you paranoids were 
stating with some unknown authority that I was misrepresenting myself on this 
newsgroup by using three or four different IDs. Each one, of course, using a 
different ISP. Are we to believe that I, Ian McKinney, maintains accounts 
with four ISPs, just to confuse you. Do you have such an inflated image of 
yourselves that you imagine that someone would go though all that trouble and 
spend all that extra money, just to play some kind of game?

:>>Save the histrionics. Nobody's impressed.
:>
:>Well, we figured that a fucking traitor like you would say that.

Traitor???? Look, I've heard many, many threats and there's two things I've 
learned:

-Persons who make violent threats will never carry them out.
-Persons who carry-out violent acts, don't make threats.

Outside of that, isn't it a bit strange that someone will threaten 
another with violence based on ludicrous speculation of what that person says 
with absolutely no evidence to support his threat?


:>>Violent anarchists!!!??? What on Earth are you talking about?
:>
:>Had you obeyed the rule "lurk before you leap" you'd know pretty well what
:>he's talking about.

Sorry. I've never once seen myself as an "Anarchist." I really think he 
doesn't know what the word means.


:>>Besides, I don't spend any time doing likewise. What do you and the morons 
:>>like you think, that I and other racialists sit around dreaming about beating 
:>>or shooting some Black or other non-white? (I don't have the time even if I 
:>>wanted to). 
:>
:>Unfortunately, few of the nazidiots I've met merely sit around and think 
:>about violating the rights of others based upon race.

I don't care what anyone you know does or thinks. I don't plot violence 
against anyone.


:>>Everybody should avoid this kind of person. He represents a danger to any 
:>>patriotic organization - even the kind that's typlified by some of those I 
:>>strenuously disagree with on this NG.
:>
:>By insisting that the rights of ALL citizens must be honored, Joe becomes
:>a danger?

No, by making threats and running his mouth.


:>
:>>This type is pure suckerbait for any government agent provacator.
:>
:>Provocateur? Like who on this NG? Hmmmmmmm?

This person seems so full of the urge to shoot somebody, that I could imagine 
him being manipulated by evil people to carry-out some dangerous act and thus 
incriminate those around him. It's one of the most successful tactics used by 
the Feds. Simply put, they enter some patriot organization and assess 
potential personalities. They approach the gung-ho, big-mouthes, and start 
talking about bombs, dynamite, and machine guns, and how urgent it is that 
someone take action. Pretty soon the big day comes and wham! the big plot 
turns into an FBI sweep. It doesn't matter that the government set the whole 
thing up and essentially entrapped these people. The point is that it's these 
kind of people, who live in some simplistic patriot fantasy world where every 
problem is solved by bombs and guns, that get sucked into these schemes and 
consequently spend years behind bars (along with anyone else as unbalanced 
and foolish as he).


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845356733$24271@atype.com> - "Hummer" 
 writes:
:>Just tell us what
:>you propose should be done about it and then everyone can start to decide
:>whether or not the solution you propose is something that fits into the ideas
:>of freedom and justice that they hold.  Maybe everyone would feel that your
:>proposed solution is just fine, harms no one, and so would just think "OK, to
:>each his own".

The most important thing would be to get the government out of our lives. 
If that would occur, racial separation would occur naturally and with 
little conflict. At the present time the American government is the most 
serious danger to the White race through it's meddling in the personal 
affairs -which should be none of its business. 

Prime among this meddling are:

Forcing Affirmative Action on businesses: Causes discrimination against 
Whites. Forces employers to hire less qualified non-white employees over more 
qualified Whites.

                 --------------------------------

Interference in Personal Business Transactions (real estate and rentals): 
Present laws dictate whom you must sell or rent private property. In other 
words, the state controls the property not the alledged "owner." Example: 
Friends of mine own a modest rental property. Their experience with Black 
tenants has been terrible. Without going into all the details, based on this 
past experience, they are seeking legal advice to determine a strategy to 
avoid having to rent to Blacks in the future. Now, if they really had control 
over their property, they could merely act in their best interest and not be 
concerned with legal action from Blacks who are rejected as tenants. Their 
decesion is not really based upon race per se, but on the fact that nearly 
every Black tenant they have had in the past gave them nothing but trouble: 
rent late or not paid, drug dealing, stolen furniture, damage to apartments, 
harrassing other tenants and causing them to move, playing loud music at all 
hours, moving persons not on the lease into the apartment, having 
unauthorized pets, the list goes on and on. 

Based upon this experience, these people should be able to refuse to rent to 
Blacks or charge them a higher rent. The same way insurance companies 
determines risk based upon a variety of factors (age, medical or driving 
history, demographics, etc.) and charge premiums or refuse coverage 
accordingly. 

         --------------------------------------------

Forced Race-Mixing via School Busing: People should have the right of 
association. If someone doesn't want to associate with Blacks, or any other 
group, -for whatever reason- they shouldn't have to. If they move to an area 
where Blacks are absent then it is wrong for the government to deliberately 
move Blacks to that area simply to increase "diversity."

          --------------------------------------------

Providing Free Housing in Residential Neighborhoods: Presently, HUD is giving 
Public Housing tenants incentives to move into White neighborhoods by 
buying suburban housing and giving it to them at low cost. No consideration 
is given to the rest of people living there, who have worked hard and saved 
their money so as to afford decent homes.

         --------------------------------------------

These are just a few examples that come of government meddling in racial 
matters which serve, not only to endanger White's well-being, but also 
exacerbate racial conflict overall. Of course, that doesn't include causing 
higher taxes to fund this crap.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845365684$24547@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845318884$22542@atype.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
:> writes:
:>>You have shown us no evidence of the level of literacy of Mr. McKinney's 
:>>lunch-time acquaintances. You assume, wrongly, that all White persons who
:>
:>>deplore interracial mating are low in intelligence, education, and 
:>>attainment.
:>
:>well, one tends to ascribe racist beliefs to ignorance or delusion, since
:>the only other alternative is that the person espousing those beliefs has
:>intentionally chosen  an immoral and unAmerican lifestyle...in other
:>words, kevin, he was giving ian the benefit of the doubt. 

For the record, I'll attempt to give you the literacy level of the 20 
or so workers that I was referring to who have expressed racial ideas in my 
presence. Most have some amount of college, at least associate degrees in 
engineering or currently working on their B.S., some already have B.S. 
degrees in Engineering or Science. One or two have no degrees, but at least 
some college or military technical schooling.

I'd determine this group to certainly be literate, and most likely above 
average in intelligence.

Sorry, if you're disappointed that we're not ditch-diggers, or working at 
Burger King.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845345886$23653@atype.com> - bucquero@pilot.msu.edu (Bonnie Bucquer
oux) writes:
:>
:>
:>>Of course, opposition to racial mixing is normal for any people or nation 
:>>which has not lost its survival instinct.
:>Questions: 
:>Whites are not the original inhabitants, or "race", in North America. 

So what?


:>Therefore, how can you lay claim to an all-white US of A? 

We did and we are.


:>Plus, how can you deny the re-entry, legal or not,
:>of Mexicans into the Southwest, their original stomping grounds? 

A couple of wire fences separated by a mine field streching from the Gulf 
to California would probably work pretty well. 


:>And lastly:
:>Is a country not a country if it has more than one race? 

No, it will be a mess and will not last. History clearly demonstrates that 
there has never been a successful multi-racial society. Why continue in 
insane attempts to re-invent the wheel?


:>This is an anal
:>fixation similiar to that of using plates with food compartments on them, so
:>that the food won't mix and therefore be kept "pure". 
 
Uh oh! Here we go with Freudian sexual nonsense again. 

I'd respond to this liberal babbling further, but my efforts would probably 
be wasted on this illogical person. 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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In message <845431390$28396@atype.com> - dbuxton@exis.net (Darrell Buxton) writ
es:
:>
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>
:>
:>>In message <845077684$8168@atype.com> - johannes@ix.netcom.com (John C. Stephen
:>>s III) writes:
:>>:>
:>>:>
:>>:>In <845052493$7173@atype.com> FrankR@ou.edu (Frank R) writes: 
:>>:>>
:>>:>>
:>>:>>What is the most influential, single, and comprehensive piece of
:>>:>reading if a person wants to learn more about the New World Order?
:>
:>>The best source, without a doubt, for anyone to understand what's behind the 
:>>New World Order, is to go to 'http://www.natvan.com' and look around.
:>
:>Natvan says I should hate non-Whites.

Please cite the exact document which states such at that site or in any 
National Alliance publication or radio broadcast. I'll save you the effort - 
there ain't any, except in your own hallucinations.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney



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Subject: Re: A Nazi Religion Question.....
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In message <845444035$29330@atype.com> - mo10cav@aol.com (Mo10Cav) writes:

:>COMING SOON TO A BOOKSTORE NEAR YOU:  Co-authors J.D. Cash and Mike
:>Vanderboegh present an hilarious sendup of the "Racialist Movement" in
:>America (since Canada doesn't really count), entitled "Nearly-Nazis, Or
:>the Klan that Couldn't Shoot Straight." 

That one's not nearly as interesting and important as this new book:

COMMUNISTS INVADE MILITIAS: THE NEW SUBVERSION - Detailed study of how a 
small group of cryto-Marxist are attempting to infiltrate the militia 
movement. Includes actual case studies of Communist tactics as actually used 
on the internet by secret Marxist agents in their attempt to subvert the 
Patriotic movement. See how they use clever re-interpretations of 
Liberalism and Marxism to destroy the minds of well-meaning Americans. This 
book also includes information on the latest secret weapon of Communism: The 
Marxist Mind Manipulator Ray. It turns normal people into irrational and 
mindless zombis dedicated to promoting the New World Order - all while the 
victims actually believe they are trying to save America! Shocking! A must 
read! 

Comments about the book by noted persons:

"Damn! Things were going so well." - Gus Hall, Chairman Communist Party USA.

"Hey Simon, we have a serious leak" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League.

"We've gotta censor this book!" - Morris Dees, Southern Poverty Law Center.

 
Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 17 09:49:31 PDT 1996
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In message <845240588$16458@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>It might as well be named that already.  This morning my newsreader 
:>turned up 71 posts to m.a.m.  I did a quick run through, and of those 71
:>43 were nazi posts or replies or items related to threads started by 
:>nazis.  

Why don't you just admit it - this newsgroup was dead before I and the others 
decided to visit. I'm sorry we disturbed your little "patriot" circle jerk. 
>From  what I've seen, you're no different than any bunch of pablum-pucking, 
hateful, Liberals; challenge your opinions and you respond with half-truths 
and nonsense. If that doesn't work, then use personal insults, smears, and 
threats. Then if all else fails, use censorship - all the while whining like 
a bunch of babies

If you want to propagate watered-down Marxism and hippie-retread liberalism 
disguished as "patriotism", then be prepared to take the heat from those who 
know the difference.


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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 17 09:49:32 PDT 1996
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Here you go. This is a special post for the Marxist Militia crowd who say 
there's no difference between races. It's all 'bias', they say, which 
explains the consistant IQ gap that exists between Blacks and Whites. We have 
heard their moaning. Now, let's get some truth and common sense. (Watch 'em 
scream!)


        Research That Was to Prove Jensen Wrong Proves Him Right.

An Adoption study designed to show that evironment causes low black IQ 
confirmsthat the cause is Genetic.

By Prof. Richard Lynn, American Renaissance, March 1994.

It is now a quarter of a century since Arthur Jensen of the University of
California at Berkeley broke the consensus of some forty years by proposing
that there is a strong genetic basis to race differences in intelligence. From
around 1930 it had been almost unanimously stated that the IQ difference
between blacks and whites are entirely due to social deprivation. This was the
doctrine routinely taught to collage students throughout the United States.

 During this period of virtually unchallenged environmentalism it was
nevertheless recognized that there was a substantial IQ difference between
American Blacks and Whites. This was first shown conclusively during the First
World War when conscripts to the military were given intelligence tests to
determine whether they were fit for service and what training they should be
given. The average IQ difference between blacks and whites was 17 points, and
this difference had been shown repeatedly in later studies. The difference has
never been in dispute. The problem lies in it's causes and what part, if any,
genetics plays.

 It was in 1969 that the consensus was broken by Dr. Jensen. He suggested that
between two thirds and three quarters of the black IQ deficit was probably due
to genetic causes. What this meant was that if black children were reared in
the same enviroment as whites, the IQ difference would be reduced to between
two thirds and three quarters, i.e. to about 10-12 IQ points.

 At the same time, this was essentially an informed guess. There was no
conclusive evidence to show whether it was right or wrong.

 The crucial evidence on this question became available only in 1992, and it
showed that Dr. Jensen was right and, if anything, had underestimated the
strength of the genetic factor. Ironically, the evidence was produced in a
study that was designed to prove that Dr. Jensen was wrong but ended up 
showing he was right .
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>From  around 1930 it had been almost unanimously stated that IQ differences 
between the blacks and whites was entirely due to social deprivation. This 
was the doctrine routinely taught to students through outthe U.S.

  During this period of virtually unchallenged enviromentalism it 
wasnevertheless recognized that there was a substantial IQ difference 
betweenAmerican blacks and whites. This was first shown conclusively during 
thefirst world war when conscripts to the military were given intelligence 
teststo determine whether they were acceptable for service and what training 
theyshould be given. The average IQ difference between blacks and whites was 
17points, and the difference had been shown repeatedly in later studies. 
Thedifference has never been disputed. The problem lies in its cause and 
whatpart, if any, genetics plays.  The crucial evidence on this question 
became available only in 1992, andshowed that Dr. Jensen was right and, if 
anything, had underestimated thestrength of the genetic factor. Ironically, 
the evidence was produced in astudy that was designed to prove Dr. Jensen was 
wrong, but ended up showinghe was right. This is the story.

                             THE ADOPTION STUDY
  In the early 1970's, Sandra Scarr of Harvard and her Collaborator Richard
Weinberg decided to study what would happen to the intelligence of black
babies who were adopted and brought up by white parents. Their plan was to
test Dr. Jensen's hypothesis that there would still be a substantial deficit
in their intelligence. Dr. Scarr and Dr. Weinberg were confident that this
hypothesis would be disproved and that the IQ of black children would turn
out the same as white children.

  They found 29 black infants adopted at an early age by white college
graduates. They also found 68 babies with one black and one white parent,
which they called inter-racial children, who had also been adopted by white
college graduates. And finally, as controls, they found 25 white adopted
babies. This became know as the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study.

  The results showed that the adoption had no beneficial effect whatever on
the IQs of the black, inter-racial, or white children. Their average IQs at
age 17 were 89 (black), 98 (inter-racial), and 106 (white). Note the
difference between the reported IQs of black and white children reared in
identical environments is 18 points (88 vs 106), slightly greater than the
average difference between blacks and whites that has consistently found
since the First World War. If rearing environment rather than race accounts
for racial differences in IQ, why do these differences remain even when the
rearing environment is the same?

  There is only one conclusion to be drawn from these results: being adopted
by white college graduates has no beneficial effect whatever on the
intelligence of black, white, or inter-racial children. Since the results
show that the rearing environment has no effect on the IQs of adopted
children, the only conclusion to be drawn is that the factors responsible for
these differences levels of IQ are genetic. Not only do they vindicate the
conclusion put forward by Dr. Jensen in 1969. They show that Dr.Jensen
underestimated the genetic contribution to the low black IQ.

  Now that the genetic basis for the low level of black intelligence is
established it is important to start thinking about the social and political
implications of this problem. We have to face the fact that because
intelligence is an important determinant of educational and occupational
achievement, blacks are never going to achieve equality with whites. This
can only mean that the social problems and tensions arising from black
under achievement are going to continue into the indefinite future. These
problems consist of substantial black underclass characterized by
unemployment, welfare dependancy, crime and drug addiction.

  Furthermore, this underclass will increase in size, partly through high
fertility and partly through immigration. The Census Bureau estimates that the
black population of the U.S. will increase by 25% over the next 60 years.

This article was originally written by: Prof. Richard Lynn


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 17 09:49:33 PDT 1996
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In message <845506098$1558@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>In article <845429585$28298@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>>National Alliance membership has been doubling for the past few years.
:>I'd hardy call that not growing. Once again, you don't know what you're
:>talking about!
:>
:>so you're up to what? a couple of thousand real members out of all of
:>North America?  Newsflash for you ian:  *WE* have individual CM units that
:>size.  Keep flinching ian, keep looking over your shoulder.


First, the National Alliance membership is not disclosed.

Second, the National Alliance is not limited to North America, but has 
active units in many European countries.

Third, the National Alliance is NOT a mass organization - filled with dead 
weight.

Fourth, how many CM units have "a couple of thousand members?" If that is 
indeed true, those CM units are grossly ineffective compared to the Alliance.

Fifth, The National Alliance has proven to be the most effective and 
dedicated patriotic organization for persons of wholly European ancestry. 
To read the Alliance's mission statement and program for preserving and 
advancing the White race, see http://www.natvan.com.

Finally, I don't flinch.

(The preceeding should, in no way, be considered as a statement from the 
National Alliance, but is only my personal opinion).

Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 18 00:30:43 PDT 1996
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In message <845519615$2776@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845482702$1539@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>> either by providing an utterly unwholesome example of courage, or 
:>
:>WHOO HOO!  nazoid political correctness!  What a hoot!
:>
:>>by being enemies within. 
:>
:>No, ian, as defenders of the Constitution, we in the Constitutional
:>Militias are and will always be YOUR enemies...get used to it.


You support nothing except the destruction of America and its founding race. 
While transparently protesting to the contrary, you have, knowingly or 
unknowingly, allied yourself with the very forces which are a threat to 
all peoples and nations - the forces of multi-racialism, world economic 
control, the destruction of national sovereignty and natural ethnic 
boundries, and the elimination of all freedom. You support the anti-nature 
forces of hatred and Bolshevik political correctness. It exudes from nearly 
every post most of you people make. Just look at the messages you and 
your allies post - an endless stream of personal insults, attacks, and 
vulgarity. 

If you represent "patriotism", then I'm more than happy to be in opposition 
to you. However, I've been around enough to that what you and your allies 
promote is not patriotism, but intellectual degeneracy and liberal 
fashionability. In short you have already lost the debate, since you aptly 
demonstrate your cowardice in challeging the unnatural forces of liberalism 
and shallow materialism. 

You are too weak to win and this was demonstrated as we have all watched as 
your syncophants quickly ran for the haven of all intellectual cowards: 
censorship.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 18 00:30:43 PDT 1996
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In message <845524103$3076@atype.com> - Hanson  writes:
:>
:>
:>Mike Chapman wrote:
:>> But Ian, where can you go with that belief?  What action
:>> does it enable you to take?

First, is to understand that Jews control the media. It puts many of 
the media's emphasis in perspective. Once you you have this knowledge, then 
you accept the media as the Jewish view and not an unbiased one.



:>> You want to belittle the attempted genocide of Jews?

I belittle it because of the way it's been cynically used for the benefit of 
the Jewish Establishment. If they are willing to cheapen the deaths of their 
fellow Jews by using it as a political tool, then how can I belittle it even 
more.


:>> Why aren't *you* speaking out for all the other
:>> people murdered for their race, religion, beliefs, etc. in this
:>> century if you're so worried about it?

I keep talking about the massacre of Russians by the millions, and I have 
mentioned the millions of Chinese butchered by Commies. However, I have no 
influence, for example, over the Africans who are presently killing each 
other by the thousands.

 
:>> .....not to
:>> >mention thousands of Whites murdered outright at the hands of Black savages.
:>> >Blacks commit attacks aginst Whites nine times as often as the reverse.
:>> 
:>> Nonsense, the war on drugs is fought primarily against blacks.  Far
:>> more blacks are victimized by the white government in the war on drugs
:>> than wrong whites.

White government???? The American government is absolutely anti-White. Sure, 
there's plenty of Whites in positions of power, but they certainly don't act 
on behalf of their race. They're sell-outs and renegades who do the bidding 
of whomever signs their paycheck or supplies the next bribe. Having any 
concern for their race is an absolutely alien idea to them.

However, that digression does not alter the fact that when interracial crime 
occurs, it is against Whites 90% of the time. When interracial rapes occur, 
it is almost exclusively White women (99%) being raped by Black men. Those 
statistics become even more staggering when you consider that Whites 
out-number Blacks by 6 to 1. If I recall correctly, the statistics calculate 
out that Blacks commit 5000% times more interracial crimes than Whites. Yes, 
that's right, 5000% or 50 times. But apparently nobody on this NG cares one 
whit about that. The only people they care about are the Jews and Blacks they 
believe, in their feverish minds, that I want kill. Which is nonsense, as if 
I should even have to say it.


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 18 11:20:58 PDT 1996
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In message <845530419$3542@atype.com> - Morgoth  writes:
:>
:>
:>Oddly there is a difference.
:>
:>Patriots: It is my country, it has flaws, but it is one
:>of/the best country on the planet. Patriots generally want others
:>to come and enjoy their country by immigration.
:>
:>Nationalist: It is my country, and it is the best country on the
:>planet. Nationalist want other people to emjoy there country thru
:>conquest/imperialism.

Racial Nationalist: Our country is based on common blood. We acknowledge the 
natural human urge towards ethnic/racial solidarity  and thus we work within 
it and enhance it, not suppress it.  We accept that the well-being of the 
race takes precedence over that of the individual, although we support the 
widest freedom of individuals when it does not harm the race. We work to make 
it the best country. We work to elavate the physical and spiritial health of 
our people. We don't mind other alien people enjoying our country, but only 
as tourists, not citizens. We have no colonial ambitions, nor do we take in 
alien peoples to use them as cheap labor. We respect the lands and traditions 
of other peoples.


Yours truly,
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In message  - live@6
t9 (ABLE) writes:
:>> Maybe Whites are sick of the Jewish press and its biased reporting. 
:>> 
:>> 
:>> Best Regards
:>
:>Is Barbera Walters a JEW!  Heh Heh I kill me (have fun with this one)!
:>
:>THE INTELLIGENT APE

As a matter of fact, Walters is a Jew. Now please kill yourself as you 
promised.


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In message <845591636$7510@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>
:>
:>In article <845560152$4708@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>By Prof. Richard Lynn, American Renaissance, March 1994.
:>
:>American Renaissance? Isn't that a nazi-aligned group? Ah, well then this
:>-certainly- must be a good, solid, impartial piece!

Nazi-aligned? I think AR's Jewish members wouldn't like to hear that they 
were Nazis.


:>>  There is only one conclusion to be drawn from these results: being 
:>>adopted by white college graduates has no beneficial effect whatever 
:>>on the intelligence of black, white, or inter-racial children.

:>Now as a point of fact, blacks often suffer far worse levels of
:>prenatal care and nutrition due to a variety of social, economic, and
:>educational factors. 

Can you prove that poor Whites get better care? Cite a study that proves 
it. From what I've seen there's little difference. At least not enough to 
make that much difference.


:>Any "professor" who ignores those very significant
:>issues in making the presentation is either a fool or has a -very- biased
:>agenda.

Actually, you're agenda is biased. You will ignore any kind of evidence and 
attempt to refute my arguments with bullshit.


:>Try again, Ian. There's no science in that article, either. I hope this
:>boringly trivial attempt wasn't your "bombshell"? 

I think it demolishes the kind of arguments (garbage), which you egalitarians 
have produced. Until you can prove that Blacks are significantly worse off 
with regard to pre-natal care and nutrition than poor Whites, then your 
argument is based purely on speculation. Bear in mind that this study 
wasn't conducted by someone trying to confirm IQ differences, but were 
instead trying to DISPROVE their validity. THey were even, evidently, too 
embarrassed with what they found and witheld release of the results for 
more than five years! 

Nonetheless, when all the evidence is taken together, one would have to be a 
fool to deny any racial differences in intelligence.


:>If it is, I can
:>understand why you want to protected under ESA.

BTW, What is the ESA????


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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 19 12:56:20 PDT 1996
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In message <845532300$3738@atype.com> - "Bill K."  writ
es:
:>........almost as disgusting as I do the lack of a call for the heads
:>of the recently-former Communist masters of eastern Europe.
:>
:>"Slow, internationally-televised death to tyrants..."

Wait a minute, whoa! You finally said something I agree with. My God! The 
boy's making progress.

BTW, don't feel like you must launch into another anti-mckinney diatribe.


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In message <845604197$8672@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>>I don't want Wiccans, pagans or racists ideas to be a part of our
:>militia.
:>
:>and yet there are patriots, people of good will, who are followers of both
:>Wicca and several of the various pagan belief systems...would you drive
:>them away?  and if you drive them away, what then will they know of
:>Christianity? 

I guess child molestors are OK as long as they're "multi-cultural." That's 
what you're really trying to say. 

He'll accept ANYBODY, except those "nazis" !!!!!


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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 19 12:56:21 PDT 1996
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In message <845619569$9617@atype.com> - mo10cav@aol.com (Mo10Cav) writes:
:>
:>
:>OK, Arlin, there ya go quoting scripture on me again, and you're right
:>about judging folks, still and all---
:>
:>THESE NAZI PUKES ARE ALL GOING TO HELL UNLESS THEY GET RIGHT WITH JESUS!
:>
:>And they'll have plenty of Nazi company when they get there.


According to the Jews, Jesus is in Hell now! You must want us to be with 
Jesus.

(This is fun. Every time I read a post, someone opens themselves up for an 
easy comeback - thus proving, once again, that they don't know what they're 
talking about. They do it constantly).

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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 19 12:56:22 PDT 1996
Article: 39465 of misc.activism.militia
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In message <845591647$7528@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:> Identity, however, is *not* such
:>a development, based as it is solely on white supremacist propaganda,
:>combined with a search for any form of power, spiritual, mental, or
:>emotional, which might be used by their membership to dominate others. In
:>other words, identity is an attempt to develop a spirituality of fear,
:>hatred, and darkness...nothing more or less.

I'm not Identity, but I have read some of their material, and although I 
don't agree with any semitic religion, it's nothing more than the Jew's game 
turned around. You're a gross hypocrite if you condemn Identity and fail to 
do likewise with Judaism.

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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 19 12:56:22 PDT 1996
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In message <845531340$3655@atype.com> - Morgoth  writes:

Another "expert" blathers.

:> ...........to get the hybrid vigor.
:>Hybrids are generally stronger than pure breeds (sorry Mr.
:>Hitler).

Hybrid vigor only lasts for the first cross between pure breds. After the 
first generation, its all down-hill.



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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 19 12:56:23 PDT 1996
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For the Marxist neo-Militia

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the two
races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit,
opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still
in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation, 
peaceably, and insuch slow degree, as that the evil will wear off insensibly, 
and their placebe ...filled up by free White laborers. If, on the contrary, 
it is left toforce itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held 
up."  

Thomas Jefferson
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Take a bow, Tom.

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Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 19 12:56:24 PDT 1996
Article: 39491 of misc.activism.militia
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More truth for the Marxist neo-Militia:

>From  Abraham Lincoln's Address on Colonization to a Deputation of Negroes in
Washington , D.C. on August 14, 1862 (Collected Works, Vol. V, p. 371) we
read the following: 

"You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than
exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I
need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us
both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among
us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each
side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be
separated." 

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing
about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black
races - that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or
jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to inter-marry
with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a
physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will
forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and
political equality." 

Abraham Lincoln
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Take a bow, Abe.


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Ian McKinney
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In message <845610483$9109@atype.com> - sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D. Sybesma) 
writes:
:>Fact is, you and your ilk are headed straight for a burning hell unless you get
:>on your knees and repent to an angry God who is displeased with your constant
:>evil-mouthings against his chosen people, the Jews.

What were they chosen for? To drive everybody else crazy?



:>This being said, I myself am not a Jew but recognize them and respect them
:>because of what God PLAINLY said to Abraham in Genesis 12:3--

Oh, he "plainly" said it, huh? Were you there? I guess you don't have any 
problem with the Jews writing that the Jewish God said they were his "Chosen 
People." How conveient!


:>Meanwhile, you're under God's curse.

That "curse" and 50 cents might get you a cup of coffee.


:>It says what it says, and what you believe in is nothing more than the long
:>disproved cultic rantings of people like Herbert Armstrong who started the
:>damned-to-hell British-Israelism lie.
:>
:>In case you didn't know, the Worldwide Church of God has since repented of all
:>that false doctrine.  Sorry if you can't realize the B-I error yourself.

BTW, I'm not Christian Identity, so save your breath.


:>In the end, the world is not run by a Jewish banking conspiracy.

When have I mentioned a "Jewish bankig conspiracy". I haven't and I don't 
remember anyone else saying that. You're delusional!


:>They have betrayed their own brothers and sisters just as much as you have 
:>cursed God's chosen people.

I'll continue to curse them as long as they keep doing what they're doing.


:>
:>Any Jew or Christian who is willing to give up land to the Palestinians for 
:>peace cannot realistically be said to be a Jew or Christian, since God Himself
:>gave to the Jews much more land than they now occupy, and it is His will that
:>they would have occupied that land from the time God gave it to Abraham to
:>forever.  To compromise on that is literally to disobey God.  Which is what
:>Israel (as a picture of all of us, Jew or Gentile) has done throughout history.

More non-sensical drivel. Look, if want a sermon, I'll turn on the TV.


:>And for that which God commands that you take possession of forever, that same
:>thing you have no right to give away, nor do you even owe an apology for 
:>demanding rightful ownership of it.  Such is the land of Israel to the Jews.
:>
:>And such is likened to all our God-given rights, by extension.
:>
:>God doesn't like wimpering cowards who compromise on principle.
:>
:>That's what the ADL is.  They are pro-Oslo so-called 'peace' process.
 
You can't prove one goddamn word you just said. It's all nonsense.


:>It's sad that you don't know that there is deep division among Jews in Israel.

Who cares?


Maybe, Steve, next time you'll give us a lesson on the Talmud. Tell us about 
what "goyim" are. For those who aren't familiar with Jewish terminology, 
goyim (gentiles) are considered to be "cattle." Tell us what you call a 
gentile woman. You call them "shiska", which means "unclean meat." Right? 
Tell us how the Jews consider sex with a gentile woman to be "beastiality." 
Tell us how Jews are permitted by their religion to cheat and even murder 
gentiles. It's all in the Talmud. Of course, most of these so-called 
"experts" have never spent two seconds reading that book. Any gentile who 
does will probably puke at the hatred you Jews spew at everyone else. It's a 
disgusting book.

And, BTW, for all you Christians, the Jews say that your Lord Jesus was 
concieved by a mensturating prostitute (Mary) while having intercourse with a 
Roman soldier. According to the Jews, Jesus is now spending eternity in a 
vath of boiling semen or dung - depending on what section of the Talmud you 
read - while having molten lead poured down his throat. They also say that 
all Christians practise beastiality and that Jews must never allow a 
Christian to be alone with their livestock.

And there's more, much more.

If anyone has any problems with this, I suggest you take it up with a rabbi, 
since I only report the facts, I don't make them up.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 20 11:41:38 PDT 1996
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In message <845691488$14199@atype.com> - mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman) w
rites:
:>You are not espousing your particular agenda, but a system of
:>Eugenics.  Essentially perverse Marxism, manufacturing of humanity.

For the hundreth time, Marxism doesn't promote eugenics, since Marxists see 
everybody as equal, and solely a product of their environment, thus huge 
efforts are carried out to social engineer society - much like Bill and 
Hillary want to do. Marxism and Liberalism both promote social engineering. 
There's a huge difference between that and what I'm talking about.


:>The specifics of your agenda would be cast aside quickly because they
:>are irrelevant to the ideology.  The *ideology* is that the government
:>has the power to decide who can breed, how, and why, and that it may
:>do anything necessary to ensure the strength of the nation.

No. I advocate eugenics education much like was popular in America before 
WW2. There were many books written during that time on the topic of 
eugenics. However, today we have just the opposite: tax money is paid to the 
unproductive, and vast numbers of babies are born to people which have no 
means of supporting them. That's disgenic. I guess you support that?

Given the present situation, I would encourage the government to pay these 
people NOT to have more babies. Give a welfare mother a $200 bonus every 
month for using the Norplant birth control. At the same time, I would make 
substantial increases in the tax deduction for the children of working people.
The idea is to give increased incentives for productive persons to have 
children, while discouraging the nonproductive.

Another plan might be to eliminate $5000 of the college loan balance for 
college graduates for every child they have.

There are all kinds of very benign ways of promoting eugenics without the 
kind of things you like to imagine.

:>That ideology must be resisted with whatever force is necessary.  It
:>is the inbred cousin of Marxism, and both must be destroyed with great
:>expedience.

Actually, my philosophy is the direct opposite of Marxism. I'd like to see 
liberalism destroyed.


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Ian McKinney
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In message <845689699$13974@atype.com> - "Dean Peet"  writes:

:>
:>
:>
:>That's right, ladies and gentlemen, the Nazi government was working with
:>the Jews to REESTABLISH Israel.  That's right!!! They believed
:>unequivocally in the right of existence of a FREE JEWISH STATE!!!

As hard as it is for you to get any fresh air into that thick head of yours, 
the Hitler government was negotiating with the Zionists for a significant 
period in an attempt to encourage Jews to emmigrate to Israel. They didn't 
care about a Jewish state, but to get the Jews out of Germany.


:>"You had better be thankful that Constitution that you mock on this
:>list...It is the only thing that keeps people like me from doing really
:>nasty things to people like you"

The Constitution has little to do with it, friend. What really matters, is 
the price you might be required to pay in your attempt to do those "nasty 
things." 


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 20 11:41:39 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Look Over Your Shoulder
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In message <845591606$7467@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>>
:>>Sorry, if you're disappointed that we're not ditch-diggers, or working at
:>
:>>Burger King.
:>
:>didn't think so to begin with - ignorance has little to do with inherent
:>intelligence, generally it involves lack of exposure to factual
:>material...which is why racist leaders have always been into burning
:>books, imprisoning people, and so forth...it allows them to maintain
:>control of their 'followers'.


Ignorance? I don't think so in this case. Most of the opinions were formed 
via repeated direct experience. I don't have the time to list the stories 
I've heard. However, I give you one that I know about. My brother-in law 
lived in Cleveland for a number of years. He adopted his new wife's kids and 
decided to put them into the public school temporarily. Within one month his 
7 year old daughter was nearly raped by a gang of first grade Blacks. His son 
was savaged daily by Black gangs in third grade. My brother-in-law went to 
the principal of the school - who was Black - to see what could be done for 
his kid's safety. The Black principal was totally uninterested and said that 
the kids were making it up. That was ludicrous based upon the emotional state 
of the kids and the fact that they were reluctant to tell what was going-on. 
So the kids were taken out of the Cleveland schools and put into private 
scool at great cost. A few years later, my brother-in-law's neighborhood was 
invaded by the Blacks. At first they thought they could deal with it, since 
he and his wife aren't really racists. However, their house was being shot at 
by the Blacks and he finally had enough and moved to Pa. At least now the 
kids are in relatively safe schools and they doesn't have bullet holes in 
their home.

That is just one typical story that's similar to the ones told by some 
co-workers. In other words, they didn't happen upon a KKK tract and decide 
to avoid Blacks. No, they learned through first-hand experience. If they 
see Blacks, they go the other way and don't give it a second thought.

Who can blame them for that.

If you want to see a bitter man, find a White person who saved and paid on a 
home for years, only to have his neighborhood destroyed by Blacks moving in 
and forcing him to sell at a loss and move his family to a safe area - which 
is always as White as possible.  

You can say all you want about me, but White people who have experienced such 
things are bitter enough to even surprise me at times. A few of them will 
hold a grudge against the Blacks forever. All of them, nonetheless, will 
never live near Blacks and avoid them as much as possible. I'm very mild 
and rational compared to these folks.


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In message <845443084$29164@atype.com> - "Bill K."  wri
tes:
:>
:>
:>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
:>> 
:>> The "partially disabled" person, who has no visible means of support
:>> except "odd jobs" "here and there," and who has an "intelligence"
:>> background, who somehow has the spare time to "educate" and steer an
:>> existing political movement in a certain direction which just happens to
:>> be favorable to the ideology of an establishment which he claims to
:>> oppose, and who seems to have instant access to ADL file material on his
:>> opponents (his postings contain the same errors)... seems to me to be
:>> worthy of note at the very least. These things, while not conclusive by
:>> themselves, do fit a certain profile.
:>> 
:>
:>In your teeth, f*ckface.

Hey Kevin, looks like you hit a raw nerve on that one! I wonder how many 
others there are on the ADL's payroll?


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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 20 11:41:41 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: note to the supremacist types
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In message <845698700$14917@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>oh, your little racist groups are indeed under our scrutiny, and we will
:>shed no tears should we be able to bring about your destruction.

I keep hearing this nonsense about how small and insignificant we are, and in 
a previous posting, we heard about how many militia units had "thousands" of 
members. My question is: Where the hell are these thousands? Why aren't 
they here now to bail your ass out? For the past two weeks we've been giving 
you fits and kicking your butts all around this newsgroup on every issue. We 
even had you so hysterical that some of you were whining to your moderator 
to ban us! 

Look, I've been around a while and am aquainted with a number of people in 
the various Patriotic groups and ideologies, and I'm here to tell you that 
you're full of it. You and your crypto-liberal buddies aren't representative 
of the the militias as a whole. Ever heard of John Trochmen, head of the 
Militia of Montana? Yea, everybody knows he used to be a member of Aryan 
Nations. M.O.M. is a pretty big militia group I'd say. How about the Michigan 
Militia? A lot of racial people there too based on the reports I get. As a 
matter of fact, I just met a militia guy a couple of weeks ago - he was 
having a nice conversation with Ernst Zundel.

The point is, you're full of crap. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:51 PDT 1996
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 1:33:09 GMT
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Subject: Re: Nazis are Terrorist traitors: Never forget OKC!!
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In message <845774298$18809@atype.com> - mo10cav@aol.com (Mo10Cav) writes:

:>Mike Vanderboegh responds-- 
:>Sh-t, you Nazi pukes really are something, ain't you?   OKC was blown up
:>using Pierce's blueprint and by individuals who had close (if clandestine)
:>links to his sick-f-ck organization.

There is no connection between the National Alliance and the OKC bombing, 
other than McVey's having read the Turner Diaries - as has a quarter of a 
million other people. McVey has been reported to have several non-whites as 
close friends, and Nichols is married to an Asian. Nichols would be barred 
>from  Alliance membership based on his non-white spouse alone, and Dr. Pierce 
has said repeatedly that he never heard of McVey before the news on the 
bombing. IMHO, McVey seems an unlikely candidate to be a member of the 
Alliance.

I've heard Dr. Pierce repeatedly warn aginst engaging in such activity 
as bombings and violence. According to him "it doesn't make sense." 

Bombings and shootings appear to be the princple domain of your militia 
people. You're always strutting around with your AK-47s and AR-15s and 
passing around books on bombs and unconventional warfare. You can't do 
that all the time without somebody wanting to put some of it to use. That's 
why the Feds are always setting you up. You're such easy targets.


:>Tell me something,
:>why is it that your hero here had to BUY a Slavic mail-order bride?  
:>Couldn't find an Aryan-American girl sick enough for him?

Susan Pierce is not a "mail-order bride". She was in America before she ever 
met Dr. Pierce. You're just angry that you don't have a decent and 
attractive woman like her for yourself.

Again, for the umpteenth time, you're full of crap.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:52 PDT 1996
Article: 39939 of misc.activism.militia
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Subject: Re: Pitcavage, these goofs are on your side
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In message <845770715$18605@atype.com> - "Bill K."  wri
tes:
:>Pitcavage, does it bother you that these guys agree with you as to the 
:>validity of the present-day militia?  They disavow and decry the CM as vehemently 
:>as you do (albeit somewhat less eloquently), and point to it as a primary
:>threat to America.

A "primary threat to America"?????? Hell, you people can barely tie your 
shoes. No, you're no threat to America, other than being a danger to 
well-meaning patriotic Americans by functioning as a conduit for FBI 
sweeps and an fertile area of operation for Fed agent provacateurs.


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:53 PDT 1996
Article: 39941 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 2:18:03 GMT
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Subject: Re: Resisting the haters
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In message <845768884$18487@atype.com> - dcg3@ix.netcom.com (DAVID GROSSACK ) w
rites:

:>  The  lies about the Talmud are particularly
:>  offensive. These folks ought to buy a Soncino Talmud 
:>  and read it. There is nothing anti-Christian in there.

Bull-pucky! I have the actual pages directly from the original. Your Soncino 
edition is the expurgated version that was produced to avoid criticism for 
the filth that fills the real Talmud. Why don't you tell the truth: one of 
the first things done when Israel was created was to toss aside that 
expurgated Talmud and restore the original with all it's anti-gentile and 
anti-Christian hate and venom.

I know all about your Talmud.


:>  Those "quotes" were definitely invented by neo-Nazi 
:>  identity cultists or some similar creep. Never Again!


Invented hell! I have copies of pages from the the Talmud and know what 
is in it. The unexpurgated Talmud is one of the hateful and vicious books 
ever written. In many parts it's absolutely perverted.


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:54 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Militia Studies
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In message <845705889$15123@atype.com> - johannes@ix.netcom.com (John C. Stephe
ns III) writes:
:>Now quit posting bogus quotes,

The quote is authentic. Try doing some reading on Lindbergh. That is if you 
know how to read.


:>or I'm going to get REALLY nasty!

Ho hum. Ok, we're all shaking in our boots in anticipation of your "getting 
nasty."

Get back under your rock, John.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:55 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Liberals Prove Dr. Jensen Right on IQ
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In message <845774320$18851@atype.com> - "Bill K."  wri
tes:
:>And stop posting *to* yourself Ian.  Regarless of the trouble you have
:>differentiating first person singular from first person plural, 
:>we know its *you*.

(sarcasm on)
Ok, ok. You really got me there. I guess my cover is blown. I'll call my 
other dozen ISPs and cancel the accounts, since I obviously can't fool a 
mighty mind like yours.
(sarcasm off)

You're a complete boob.

Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:55 PDT 1996
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 3:18:26 GMT
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Subject: Re: Don't ban the nazis, WHUP ON 'EM!
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In message <845767995$18461@atype.com> - "Dean Peet"  writes:

:>But
:>when you come in and say "Blacks and Jews are less than human, not worthy
:>to exist" 

Please cite the exact post where I, or anyone else, said such a thing. Oh, I 
forgot to mention that if I say that Jews hold a disproportionate number of 
controlling positions, or own, the major organs of the information and 
entertainment media, then, in your feverish mind, I am avocating the gassing 
of Jews.

Or if I mention that 90% of interracial crimes are committed by Blacks 
against Whites, then that's saying that Blacks are "subhuman."

No, you know that I never said anything even remotely like that. What you 
prefer to do is obscenely misrepresent my postings in a deliberate effort to 
avoid dealing with these facts. You don't want to discuss these things, 
because you know damn well that I am right and you don't have any chance to 
realistically refute me.

This is a typical example of the obsfucation which you and your kind 
routinely use. It is the epitome of intellectual cowardice.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:56 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Don't ban the nazis, WHUP ON 'EM!
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In message <845786900$19631@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>>
:>>In message <845689699$13974@atype.com> - "Dean Peet"  writes:
:>>
:>>:>
:>>:>
:>>:>
:>>:>That's right, ladies and gentlemen, the Nazi government was working with
:>>:>the Jews to REESTABLISH Israel.  That's right!!! They believed
:>>:>unequivocally in the right of existence of a FREE JEWISH STATE!!!
:>>
:>>As hard as it is for you to get any fresh air into that thick head of yours, 
:>>the Hitler government was negotiating with the Zionists for a significant 
:>>period in an attempt to encourage Jews to emmigrate to Israel. They didn't 
:>>care about a Jewish state, but to get the Jews out of Germany.
:>>
:>
:>According to Eichman, that is absolutely true, Ian.  In regard to the 
:>600,000 GERMAN Jews.  However, they never negotiated with the millions of 
:>Polish Jews, did they?  
:>

Well, at least you agreed on that. However, the Zionists were often claiming 
to represent Jews from other areas. But in this case, in light of my lack of 
specific details, I don't know how they were presenting themselves in this 
particular situation.

Additionally, with regard to Poland, my father-in-law tells me that he worked 
with a Polish Jew, who told him that the Poles did their own "negotiating" 
with their Jews and were rounding them up BEFORE Germany invaded Poland. They 
were evidently anticipating that the Germans would take them off their hands. 
Apparently Poland was also fed-up of the Jews.


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:57 PDT 1996
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In message <845770704$18591@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>
:>THat is truly offensive, and truly stupid to try to alter Churchill, one 
:>of the finest writers in the entire history of the English language. Your 
:>earlier Lincoln and Ben Franklin fakes were equally terrible, but they 
:>were also laughable.  This one is a cardinal sin against all I hold 
:>dear.

BOK's quote from Churchill is indeed authentic. I have seen the newspaper 
page which contains the whole article by Churchill. But, I suppose reading 
something like that IS offensive to your delicate mind - seeing how you 
readily accept the selective spoon-fed pablum like so many others on this NG.

FYI, the other qoutes are also real.

As to your anti-Hitler quote from Churchill, I don't doubt he said that, but 
there are also some very pro-Hitler comments made by Churchill. If I may 
paraphrase a bit, on one occasion he said that England "needed a Hitler" and 
he then went on to praise Hitler's economic policies among other things.

Kaa, you really need to do a bit more reading.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:58 PDT 1996
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In message <845763483$18157@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845686983$13706@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Martin Luther, 1483
:>>
:>>"How the Jews love the book of Esther, which is so suitable to their
:>>bloodthirsty, revengeful, murderous appetite and hope. The sun has
:>>never shone on such a bloodthirsty and vindictive people, who cherish
:>>the idea of murdering and strangling the heathen. No other men under
:>>the sun are more greedy than they have been, and always will be, as
:>>one can see from their accursed usury."
:>
:>Nice try bok...the fact that Martin Luther reflected the cultural
:>antisemitism merely shows how much farther we've progressed since the time
:>of the Protestant Reformation.  This quote neither justifies you, nor does
:>it negate Protestantism.  You need to start addressing topics you can
:>understand (if any such exist), and religion is obviously *not* one of
:>them...
:>

Wrong Alin, Luther was pro-Jewish until he read the Jewish Talmud in it's 
Hebrew form - Luther being proficient in Hebrew. After he read the fetid 
garbage contained in may parts of that book, he challenged the Rabbis to 
defend the Talmud's fanatical anti-gentile and, most importantly to Luther, 
vicious anti-Christian writings. They couldn't.

For crying out loud, what would you expect Luther to say after reading 
the Talmud and discovering that Jews are permitted and encouraged to lie, 
cheat, steal, and even murder non-Jews, or that his Lord, Jesus, was a 
bastard born of a prostitute, or that it is permissible for a Jew to have sex 
with a married gentile, since that would only be considered "beastiality", 
and not adultery, according to Jewish law. Or that all non-Jews were 
put on Earth by their God as servants to the Jews. And it goes on and on.

Obviously, there are many Jews who don't know about these things anymore 
than most who profess Christianity can qoute many Bible verses. Regardless 
of how many laymen know, or don't know, about this, it is undeniable that ALL 
the rabbis know it. How anyone base a religion on such hate, as is contained 
in the Talmud, is beyond me. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:59 PDT 1996
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In message <845787798$19705@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>Arlin, you simpleton, you fall into the trap every time.  MARTIN LUTHER 
:>DID NOT SAY THAT.  They're making up these quotes you keep trying to 
:>justify.

You're full of it, Kaa. Haven't you ever heard of Luther's book - "The Jews 
and Their Lies"? It was real enough that recently the Lutheran Church 
formally banned it. There was no doubt as to who wrote it, their founder, 
Martin Luther. Kind of ironic isn't it, a church banning a book written by 
it's very founder and, for that matter, the father of Protestantism? 

I guess he just didn't know what he was talking about, huh?


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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:56:59 PDT 1996
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In message <845767083$18361@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes
:Careful, I(v)an, your red underware is showing. But I guess you do find it
:>boring being an unemployed KGB agent, don't you? Or maybe you're not
:>unemployed. Hmmm, maybe with the upheavels in Moscow your control has
:>activated you?
:>
:>You look more and more like a common run-of-the-mill soviet totalitarian
:>communist with every post you make, "comrade" I(v)an.

What's all this, Wiz, a new strategy - Ian "the commie" McKinney? (It's even 
wilder than your Ian "Sturmbanfuerer" McKinney strategy). Unfortunately for 
you, the only thing about me that's red, is my hair. Your posts are simply 
not credible. Now, if you were saying these things to Arlin or Mike, then you 
would actually be much, much closer. The fact is that you don't know anything 
about Communism, other than what's been spoon-fed to you by the commies 
themselves, and it shows in your feeble attempts at making me look like 
some kind of Red. 

It's absolutely ludicrous and unbelievable. Save your enegy.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 07:57:00 PDT 1996
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Subject: Communism is Jewish. (undeniable evidence here)
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In message <845760813$17975@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes
:>Read it? Heck, Ian, we are watching it unfold with each of your
:>pro-communist posts.
:>
:>Mr. Wizard
:>

Wiz, you're statement is absolutely absurd. Everybody who knows me is clearly 
aware that I am one of the most strident anti-communists around. It is you 
who doesn't know much about communism. I suggest you do some advanced reading 
on the subject, particularly, who was its inventor and has been it's main 
promoters. I think you'll find an over-abundance of Jewish names in nearly 
anything connected with Communism.

That's not something I made-up. It just happens to be the undeniable truth. 
(read the following and realize just how ignorant you really are).
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Communism's Jewish Connection
Ian McKinney

	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian 
Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority of the 
Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to them, continue 
to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these facts, it remains 
undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created and lead revolutionary 
movement.

	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx, 
was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side. 
Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since 
Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great bulk 
of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but also 
nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 

	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will 
concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see them deny the 
communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that 
passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C. during 
the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following quotes are taken 
directly from documents available from the U.S. Archives:                  

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul general 
in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish 
feeling growing among population...."                           

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July 5, 
1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each 
town consists of Jews of the worst type."                 

>From  the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on March 
1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Captain Montgomey 
Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but 
the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and 
controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."                           

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports on 
the make-up of the presiding Soviet government:  "...(T)here were 384 
`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians, AND 
MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the 
United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."         


	It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews) 
conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian 
population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20 million 
Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile campaigns in 
history. Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons 
were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia.  


       During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were 
conducted against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the most 
well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate involvement of Jews in 
communist activities against the United States.

"The Amerasia Case": In early 1945 the FBI arrested six persons for stealing 
1700 highly classified State Department documents. Three of the six were 
Jews: 

Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who was the former editor of the communist paper, 
"Labor Defense". He was convicted and fined.

Andrew Roth, a Brooklyn Jew, was a lieutenant in Naval Intelligence.

Mark Gayn, a Russian Jew, (real name is Julius Ginsberg), was a writer.

"Alger Hiss Case": Hiss, although a communist, was one of the most 
influential men in the State Department and an advisor to FDR. He was a 
protege of Jewish Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. Despite 
Frankfurter's court appearance as a character witness, Hiss was convicted of 
perjury and sentenced to five years."Gerhard Eisler Case": Eisler, a Jew and 
the highest-ranking member of the communist party ever brought to trial, was 
the secret boss of the communist party between 1935 and 1947. In May of 1950, 
while free on bail, Eisler fled the U.S. and later became the propaganda 
chief of communist Eastern Germany. His sister, Ruth, was a communist agent 
for a number of years.

"The Hollywood Ten": In 1950 ten leading film writers of the Hollywood Film 
Colony were convicted of contempt of Congress and sentenced to prison. Nine 
of the ten were Jews:

Alvah Bessie, a screen writer, wrote for the party publication, New Masses.

Herbert Biberman, a communist party member.

Lester Cole, a communist party member.

Edward Dmytryk, belonged to fifteen communist fronts.

Ring Lardner, Jr., a communist party member.

John Lawson, a Broadway playwrite and communist party member.

Albert Maltz, a screen writer and communist party member.

Samuel Ornitz, a screen writer.

Adrian Scott, nationality unknown.

Dalton Trumbo, a communist party member.

"The American Politburo": The case exposed the fact that at least six of 
eleven members of the National Secretariat of the American Communist Party 
were Jewish. Those identified as Jews were:

Jacob Sachel, John Gates (real name, Israel Regenstreif), Gilbert Green (real 
name, Greenberg), Gus Hall (real name, Arvo Mike Halberg), Irving Potash, and 
Carl Winter. The racial identity of Eugene Dennis (real name, Waldron), 
Robert Thompson, and John Williamson are unknown.

"Fuchs-Gold Spy Ring": Atomic scientist, Klaus Fuchs, (not a Jew), was 
brought to America at the personal instigation of Albert Einstein. While 
working on the Manhattan Project, Fuchs had access to our innermost atomic 
secrets from 1942 to 1945. Based upon information obtained from Fuchs, the 
FBI began investigations which resulted in the arrest of nine other members 
of the spy ring. Of the nine, who were all convicted, eight were Jewish: 

Harry Gold, pivotal ring member along with Fuchs, was arrested in 1950, 
pleaded guilty to espionage, and sentenced to thirty years.

David Greenglass, passed atomic secrets to Gold and Julius Rosenberg. 
Greenglass's wife worked as a courier, passing information between her 
husband and the Rosenbergs. He was released from prison in 1960.

Abraham Brothman, headed an engineering firm and supplied Gold with secret 
information on aviation gasoline, turbo aircraft engines, and synthetic 
rubber. He was convicted of conspiracy aginst the U.S.

Miriam Moscowitz, an associate of Brothman, was convicted.

Julius Rosenberg, an electrical engineer, stole plans for the highly secret 
proximity fuse. He also aided in the theft of other atomic secrets. He was 
convicted and sentenced to death.

Ethel Rosenberg, wife of Julius, was convicted of the same charges. She was 
the sister to David Greenglass. Ethel and her husband were executed on June 
19,1953.

Morten Sobell, passed secret radar information to Rosenberg. He was convicted 
of conspiracy to commit espionage and sentenced to thirty years.

        It should be noted that the chief of the Los Alamos atomic 
installation was Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew, who was recently confirmed as a 
communist agent by former high-ranking KGB official, Pavel Sudoplatov (not a 
Jew, but married to a Jewess), in his book - Special Tasks.

"Second-String Politburo": After the convictions of the first-string, 
"American Politburo", a second-string was scheduled to take over the 
communist operations. In 1951, the Justice Department indicted the whole 
group. The new group consisted of 21 members, 14 of which were Jews:

Israel Amtor, Marian Maxwell, Isadore Begun, Alexander Bittelman, George 
Charney, Betty Gannett, Simon Gerson, Victory Jerome, Jacob Mindel, Alexander 
Trachenberg, Louis Weinstock, William Weinstone, Fred Fine, William Marron, 
Sidney Steinberg.

Of the non-Jews indicted, James Jackson, Petty Perris, and Claudia Jones, 
were negroes.

"The Round-up": On July 1951, the FBI arrested 15 leading communists party 
officials on the West Coast. A few days later, five more leaders were 
arrested on the East Coast. All were charged with conspiracy to overthrow the 
U.S. government. Of the 15 arrested on the West Coast, six were identified as 
Jews:

Henry Steinberg, Rose Chernin, Frank Carlson, Benjamin Dobbs, Frank Spector, 
Al Richmond, and Carl Lambert.

Four of five of those arrested in the East were Jews:

Regina Frankfeld, George Meyers, Philip Frankfeld, and Rose Blumberg.

---------------------------------------------------

        That concludes the summary of the bigger cases against communists in 
the 1950's. It is worth mentioning three Aryans: Whittaker Chambers, 
Elizabeth Bentley, and Vanderbilt Fields. All three later renounced their 
affiliations with the communist party and provided valuable information that 
lead to investigations and convictions. Not coincidentally, all three of 
these former communists were married to Jews.



Hey, McVey, you got anything to refute this.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 10:14:50 PDT 1996
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In message <845851769$24334@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>>What do you know, the nazi toad has shown us that even old Abe could be
:>>wrong from time to time.  I guess that's what made him human.
:>>
:>>
:>>Robert Ireland
:>>aircav@zapcom.net
:>>
:>>"Liberty is not free, it must be fought for every day."
:>
:>
:>Robert:  he probably didn't say it.  There's no such book as "Collected 
:>Works"   (Though there are lots of collections.)  However, the University 
:>of Illinois, I think--it would be easy to find--does have the collected 
:>works of Lincoln, on line.  The title he gave is specific enough that 
:>should be easy to find, and you can download the text.
:>


Well, the Doubting Thomas questions again. Kaa, I don't need to invent these 
quotes as you have alledged repeatedly. You are only painting yourself into a 
corner, since the quotes are real. Even when the sources are specifically 
given, you still refuse to bring yourself to admit that I am correct.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you just so thoroughly brainwashed 
that you can't imagine any Founding Father saying anything that's not in 
accordance with the today's Politically Correct liberal fashion? If it's the 
latter, then you desperately need to unwash your brain and let some light 
into your seemingly air-tight skull.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 10:14:51 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Affidavit of Gordon Kahl Now Online
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In message <845792291$20181@atype.com> - schmitt@freenet.msp.mn.us (Wilhelm E. 
Schmitt) writes:
:>
:>
:>Gordon Kahl's affidavit written in his own hand 12 days
:>after the shoot out at Medina, North Dakota, giving his
:>description of the circumstances that led to the
:>confrontation and the fire fight itself is now online and
:>can be read at -
:>http://www.future.net/~thetruth/kahl_gdn.html
:>

Wilhelm, you're probably wasting your time posting anything here about Gordon 
Kahl, since Kahl was a racist and opposed the activities of the Jewish 
Establishment. These clowns probably think the Feds did a noble act by 
incinerating him. Kahl was a decorated WW2 veteran who realized he fought on 
the wrong side in that insane war.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 21 10:14:51 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Liberals Prove Dr. Jensen Right on IQ
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In message <845855316$24807@atype.com> - brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
:>
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>
:>>Here you go. This is a special post for the Marxist Militia crowd who say
:>
:>>there's no difference between races. It's all 'bias', they say, which 
:>>explains the consistant IQ gap that exists between Blacks and Whites. We
:>have 
:>>heard their moaning. Now, let's get some truth and common sense. (Watch
:>'em 
:>>scream!)
:>
:>>        Research That Was to Prove Jensen Wrong Proves Him Right.
:>
:>>An Adoption study designed to show that evironment causes low black IQ 
:>>confirms that the cause is Genetic.
:>
:>I don't see how ANYBODY can claim intelligence ISN'T genetic after reading
:>this article.  Whew!  I guess those multiracialists will just deny ANY
:>REALITY to hold on to their egalitarianism.  

If past habits hold true, their response will be that the study was secretly 
funded by "racists", or that the author holds bogus degrees, or some other 
nonsense. What evidently fails to sink into their brains is that the Liberals 
that actually conducted the original study ostensibly sought to disprove the 
racial/genetic link to IQ! They obviously failed and, in effect, confirmed 
exactly the opposite - namely that given equal upbringing and parents the 
approximate 15 point IQ gap still exists between Whites and Blacks.

The Marxist Militia synchophants would rather eat excrement than admit the 
truth. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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In message <845847190$23596@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes
:>Consider the question: where did the minority of commie exploitationists
:>go after the anti-war movement? Eco-groups? Nope, no battle for control of
:>gov't there (though likely a few did). Women's rights? Nope, they were too
:>sexist. Gay rights? Yeh, right. Civil rights groups? maybe some. But most
:>seem to have transferred into the nationalista groups such as the KKK,
:>C.I. (a commie perversion of Christianity at best), Aryan Nations,
:>National Alliance, etc which favor communistic totalitarianism, overthrow
:>of the existing structures, and utilitization/exploitation of the agrarian
:>and working classes. Something to think about, isn't it? The only question
:>is how many are hardcore trained commies, and how many are just dupes.
:>Remember, these commie groups are well known for superimposing a veneer of
:>distractionary ideological points over their true agenda. Hell, Russians
:>are some of the most racially bigoted folks I've ever met. That's an easy
:>one for them.

This probably one of most ridiculous and delusional statements I've seen yet. 
This boob actually believes that I, Ian McKinney, an absolute hater of 
communism, is actually a communist agent, and that us racial patriots are 
really part of the "Communist Conspiracy." 

Hey Wiz, you just passed Pluto. Time to turn around and come back to Earth.

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In message <845796800$20429@atype.com> - Robert Ireland  wri
tes:
:>I figured the irish monkey out.  He's working for Mo Dees, and SPLC,
:>that last line of crap gave it away.  I wonder if he sleeps with Dees
:>before Mo gives him the copy for the day.
:>-- 
:>Robert Ireland
:>aircav@zapcom.net

Oh boy! Not only am I a Communist secret agent, but now I'm working for 
Morris "The Pervert" Dees and the Southern Millionare's Law Center, aka 
Southern Poverty Law Center.

It's no wonder these people can get it together, their minds are constantly 
working full bore cooking-up a new conspiracy theory.

Now, you may dissagree with me on a variety of issues, and you may not 
accept my sources. That can be explained away by a large and obvious 
disagreement, but when you make wild claims that I'm working for these 
enemies, I can only conclude that you are insane. 


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In message <845849963$23973@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>>"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
:>>people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the two
:>>races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. 

:>Give me the citation, Brian.  Date he said it, where he said it, and 
:>specific work:   Jefferson's collected works are on line. 
:>

If you knew anything, you'd recognize the first part, which ends with 
-"are to be free", as being engraved on Jefferson's statue in Washington DC. 
However, as it appears on the statue, following the word "free" is a period. 
The second half of the sentence is not there. Ending the quote with a period 
instead of a semi-colon totally distorts the original meaning of the  
Jefferson's actual words.

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In message <845859783$25681@atype.com> - brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
:>I've been talking with him about the race problem for a few months now.  I
:>gave him the "New World Order, Globalization, and Free Trade" ADV
:>broadcast.   I let him read "Iron Curtain Over America" about Jewish
:>subversion of America, and "Who Rules America?" about Jewish control fo
:>the media and politics.  

What amazes me, is that Arlin and his cheering section, never read books like 
Col. Beaty's book "Iron Curtain Over America." I suppose they would say that 
Beaty was a Commie, although he was high-up in U.S. military intelligence 
during WW2, in addition to having a Ph.D. in History from Columbia 
University and writing numerous well recieved history books.

No, all that means nothing to these clowns. I doesn't matter that Beaty had 
access to all kinds of highly classified information, and would doubtless had 
access to much background information on the subterranean activities of 
various groups and persons. Also, he  had the skills of a trained and 
recognized historian. Merely because he mentions a number of unsavory Jewish 
activities, then, I would suppose according to Arlin, he's "obviously" not 
credible.

This is the problem when dealing with this kind of mentality. It's due to 
brainwashing: mention Jews, and their antennae go up to see if you're going 
to say something pro or con, if pro-Jew, then your ok. If you say anything 
unfavorable about the Jews, then it matters not one bit whether you have a 
pile of evidence the size of Mt. Everest. Simply because you criticised the 
Jews, you are a "liar". This is their totally irrational and programmed 
standard response.

I have noticed that they are scrupulous in their avoidance of factual 
arguments when it comes to disproportionate Jewish control of the media, the 
Gun-control movement, or discussions on the anti-gentile statements taken 
>from  the Jewish Yalmud. They will say anything except discuss rationally, or 
counter with facts, any topic that relates to Jews.

It simply has to be brainwashing and conditioning; much like the reaction of 
the church years ago to any number of scientific claims, which we now accept 
as incontrovertibly true, ie. the Earth's rotating around the Sun, the Earth 
being round instead of flat. It used to be that people were persecuted for 
believing those things. It was considered "blasphemy", "the devil's work", or 
that the person was "possessed by demons" if they agreed. Of course, we 
obviously accept that "the devil" had nothing to do with these unquestioned 
scientific discoveries, but 500 years ago that was not the case. It's the 
same mentality in operation now, except it's not the church pulling the 
strings, today its the liberal media and the Jewish Establishment.

It's glaring how their pet social theories all dovetail so perfectly with 
those of the media - a coincidence they apparently never contemplate.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 08:11:33 PDT 1996
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In message 961015131744.24795H-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> <32647D83.A31@eskimo.
com> <32cf1cef.446872092@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <543f3b$718@is05.micron.net> - Adam1@poboxe.net (Antilla the tolerant) writes:
:>On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:12:06 GMT, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>wrote:
:>>And the media have NEVER conducted an investigation into the overwhelming 
:>>dominance of the media by Jews, nor will they -- BECAUSE the media is controlled by Jews.
:>
:>>Brian Smith
:>
:>
:>Plainly put Brian Smith...
:>
:>You are a Racist! You are a Racist! You are a Racist! 
:>You are a Racist!You are a Racist!
:>You are a Racist!
:>Yes you are!
:>Yes! You!
:>YES!
:>

A mindless and infantile post by Attilla. Is that the best you got? I think 
your buddies would rather you just shut-up. They already have their hands 
full without being embarrassed even more.


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In message 961015131744.24795H-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> <32647D83.A31@eskimo.
com> <32cf1cef.446872092@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <543f3b$718@is05.micron.net> - Adam1@poboxe.net (Antilla the tolerant) writes:
:>On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:12:06 GMT, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>wrote:
:>>And the media have NEVER conducted an investigation into the overwhelming 
:>>dominance of the media by Jews, nor will they -- BECAUSE the media is controlled by Jews.
:>
:>>Brian Smith
:>
:>
:>Plainly put Brian Smith...
:>
:>You are a Racist! You are a Racist! You are a Racist! 
:>You are a Racist!You are a Racist!
:>You are a Racist!
:>Yes you are!
:>Yes! You!
:>YES!
:>

A mindless and infantile post by Attilla. Is that the best you got? I think 
your buddies would rather you just shut-up. They already have their hands 
full without being embarrassed even more.


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In message <845871503$26668@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
rk T Pitcavage) writes:
:>Pierce probably prefers the armed robbery of armored cars.  Do you think he's 
:>spent the last of the money Bobby Matthews sent him?

Dr. Pierce has emphatically denied that he recieved any money from Bob 
Matthews, and you have no proof that he did. Of course, this should 
surprise no one, since you seem to have very little use for such things as 
proof or facts, and especially truth.


Yours truly,
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In message <845876883$27266@atype.com> - Lissa Valerian  writes:
:>
:>
:>
:>On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, BRS 1478 wrote:
:>
:>>
:>> Robert Ireland  wrote:
:>>
:>> >Get a grip, you sorry piece of nazi garbage.  Universal Human Equality
:>> >is THE foundation of THIS COUNTRY.
:>>
:>> From Abraham Lincoln:
:>>
:>> "I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing
:>> about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black
:>> races - that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or
:>> jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to
:>> inter-marry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that
:>> there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I
:>> believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of
:>> social and political equality."
:>>
:>> Now what was it you were saying about how the country was founded on
:>> racial equality?
:>
:>Get over it!  See My Sig file.  So the fuck what?!  These guys were for
:>equality period.
:>
:>
:>	"He who denies freedom to others deserves it not for himself."
:>	--Lincoln
:>
:>	There can be no truer principl than this -That every individual of
:>	the community at large has an equal right to the protection of
:>	government. --Alexander Hamilton


You can't find one quote from the Founding Fathers which explicitly says 
anything about racial equality. We have provided several where they clearly 
indicated they did not accept that premise. And don't try to come in here 
with this "all men are created equal" nonsense, and try to make us think they 
were talking about racial equality - they weren't.

I don't know how old you are, but you sound like someone who's been under the 
noxious influence of some Marxist/Liberal college profesor.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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In message <845870646$26532@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
rk T Pitcavage) writes:
:>
:>
:>
:>In article <845859791$25695@atype.com>, BRS 1478  wrote:
:>>This is ridiculous.  Obviously, the reason why the Founders didn't include
:>>express prohibitions against non-Whites is because they never DREAMED in
:>>their worst nightmare that White men would be foolish enough to integrate
:>>with non-Whites!
:>
:>A bizarre assertion, considering that there were free blacks in considerable 
:>numbers in every major American city at the time the Constitution was written, 
:>including Philadelphia, the city in which it was written. 


I would like to know what you consider "considerable numbers?" 

One of my hobbies is geneology, which involves sorting through old census and 
tax records. From my investigations, Blacks were a very small percentage of 
the population, at least in my area, even as late as the 1890's. In 
point of fact, there were actually more White slaves than Black ones in 
America around 1776, and what Blacks that were in America were mostly in the 
South at that time. A large proportion of the Blacks now in the North went 
there AFTER the Civil War.

Yours truly,
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In message <845872442$26995@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

:>hmm, so Wiz is right?  you guys want a marxist style government handout? 
:>dream on!


What's this, the "hand-out" strategy? We want no hand-outs. We want to be 
left alone by the Washington Criminals. If the Feds would simply stop 
interfering in people's lives through HUD, Affirmative Action, school busing, 
telling people who to rent or sell to, and allowing freedom of 
association, then my desires would really begin to happen: naturally 
occurring racial separation. The fact that they devote so much energy to 
these things should indicate that most Whites would really, when given a 
choice, prefer NOT to associate under most conditions with non-whites. At 
least those who don't should be free not to do so. I hardly call that wanting 
"hand-outs." I would prefer a drastic DECREASE in Federal power, taxing, and 
meddling in our lives. Can we agree on that much? I just want these things 
for different reasons than you.

You're going to have to do better than that.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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In message <845872413$26939@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>remember your own people lie to you brian...they lie to you
:>all the time!  How does that make you feel?
:>

What's this, the "Lie Tactic". Please give some substantiative examples.
Besides, you believe the biggest lie of all time: racial equality. 


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 09:18:35 PDT 1996
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 1:33:22 GMT
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In message <845871539$26742@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes
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:>In article <845598004$8392@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>However, that digression does not alter the fact that when 
:>>interracial crime occurs, it is against Whites 90% of the time. 
:>>When interracial rapes occur, it is almost exclusively White 
:>>women (99%) being raped by Black men.
:>
:>hmmm .... unverified stats, lets see the aggregate.
:>
:>>Those statistics become even more staggering when you consider
:>> that Whites out-number Blacks by 6 to 1. If I recall correctly, the
:>>statistics calculate out that Blacks commit 5000% times more 
:>>interracial crimes than Whites. Yes, that's right, 5000% or 50 times.
:>
:>so is it 50x or 100x?  Or are the numbers even meaningful (a doubtful
:>point).

I don't think you can multiply. If Blacks committed 5 times the crimes, that 
would be 500%. So with a ratio of 50 times that's 5000%.


:>In article <845854415$24659@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
:>
:>>According to the FBI Crime Report, in 1988 there were only 10 cases of
:>>White men raping Black women.  Yet Black men raped White women 9,405
:>>times!  
:>>
:>>Ian's numbers were right on the money:  99.9%.  
:>
:>snicker ... this kid must have had his high school diploma purchased from
:>a private school or something.  :-)
:>
:>The number quoted was either  5000% (50x) or 99% of total (~100x). 

You can't read either. The 5000% was for interracial crimes and 99.9% was for 
interracial rapes.

With regard to rapes, let's run through the numbers: 

(10 divided by 9,415) x 100% = 0.1062% or the White percentage of interracial 
rapes. Now, don't get confused, 100% - 0.1062% = 99.89% which is the Black 
recentage of interracial rapes. Let's round-off that 99.89% to 99.9%. What's 
so confusing, Wiz. I suggest you check your calculator battery.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 09:18:36 PDT 1996
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In message <845872398$26911@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
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:>In article <845861589$25949@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>I've heard Dr. Pierce repeatedly warn aginst engaging in such activity 
:>>as bombings and violence. According to him "it doesn't make sense." 
:>
:>translation: it's fine for the nazi leadership to blat their racist
:>rhetoric, just as long as they don't have to take responsibility for the
:>results of their actions.  The folks who *do* end up getting stuck with
:>the responsibility are folks like you, ian...how does that make you feel -
:>being ripped off by your leadership like that?

Are you saying that if someone writes a book where somebody gets killed, then 
all future murders are that author's responsibility? Come on. I read the 
Turner Diaries several years ago and I haven't had any desire to blow-up 
anthing or kill anybody.

As I said before, Tim McVey was NOT a member of the Alliance and had NO 
connection to it or Dr. Pierce. If anything he was closer to your ideology: 
he was into militia issues, guns, and bombs. He was obviously not a 
racialist; he had close non-white friends. Nichols was reportedly his best 
friend. Nichols, of course, was married to an Asian. In other words, neither 
were Alliance material.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 09:18:37 PDT 1996
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In message <845870638$26518@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
rk T Pitcavage) writes:
:>>The White man, not the Black man, was the indispensable race for the Space
:>>Program.  It appears that fact is getting lost in the egalitarian shuffle.
:>
:>It appears that you present fiction as fact.

Oh, so I guess you want everybody to believe that if it weren't for that one 
Black man, we would have never gotten to the Moon? Yea, right.

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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 09:18:38 PDT 1996
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GUN CONTROL: Not What It Seems

by Dr. William L. Pierce, Chairman, the National Alliance 
(http://www.natvan.com)

(a speech given by Dr. Pierce on the nationwide radio program, AMERICAN 
DISSIDENT VOICES, January 29th, 1994) 

THERE IS HARDLY AN ISSUE which more sharply divides White Americans than "gun 
control." There is hardly a more significant difference than that which 
exists between the people who want gun control and those who don't. For there 
is a great temperamental and ideological divide between those who believe in 
self-defense and those who believe in surrendering and begging for mercy.

Looking at this from the standpoint of temperament: It may seem unfair to 
women to categorize the tendency to surrender as feminine and the tendency to 
defend oneself as masculine, but at a very fundamental level this 
categorization corresponds to real differences between feminine and masculine 
natures. Every person has some of the feminine nature and some of the 
masculine nature in his character. What we see today is a much greater than 
normal manifestation of feminine traits in men. It is not a pretty sight.

And we can look at this divide from the standpoint of ideology: Except for a 
relatively small minority of very sick persons who actually relish the idea 
of surrender and fantasize about being victimized, those who choose to give 
up their arms are hoping to be protected by the government. They trust the 
government. They believe the government has their best interests at heart. 
They think of the government as a friend and generally approve of the 
government's policies.

This divide becomes deeper and wider by the day. A Black with an 
uncontrollable hatred of Whites opens fire on a crowded subway train in New 
York, killing five Whites and injuring 17 more. Gun control advocates see 
this massacre as support for their position. "A gun killed and wounded those 
people," they say. "If we get rid of all the guns, then Blacks and Whites 
will not be able to kill each other." And people on their side of the divide 
believe them and clamor for the confiscation of guns. At the same time people 
on the other side of the divide rush to gun stores, determined that they will 
be prepared to defend themselves if any White-hating Black ever threatens 
them or their families.Now, this divide certainly didn't exist a century ago. 
Then every White man was armed, and every woman expected him to be. In that 
more civilized age violent crime was a minute fraction of what it is today. 
People could walk the streets of their cities at night and, in most places, 
leave their doors unlocked without fear. The government interfered relatively 
little in people's lives. Most communities had police, but a man's right to 
defend himself, his family, and his property was absolute.

What caused people's attitudes to change so radically?

Well, there are a number of reasons: A century ago the country was 
substantially less urban than it is now. People living in small towns and 
rural areas always are more self-reliant and independent, on the average, 
than city dwellers. Rural people live a little more naturally, a little 
closer to Nature. They do not depend on the elaborate infrastructure of the 
city, which provides garbage collection, public transportation, shelters for 
the homeless, and a thousand other protections and shields against the 
natural world. Even little things, like drawing water from one's own well and 
chopping one's own firewood for winter warmth, give one a sense of reality 
and self-sufficiency that most urbanites and suburbanites lack. As the 
nation's population became more urban during the past century it also became 
less self-reliant.

Another reason is that until 1920 only men voted in the United States. To the 
extent that politicians and government are responsive to the feelings of the 
electorate, the government was much less inclined before 1920 to assume the 
role of a protective mother than it was after women began to vote. Although 
women voters are by no means uniform in their sentiments or their voting 
preferences, they are on the average substantially more "wet," in the 
ideological sense, than men. At the most basic, instinctive level, 
self-defense is an alien concept to women, and since 1920 their votes have 
helped to shift the burden of personal protection from the individual to the 
government.

Then there is the fact that in the early years of North American settlement 
the flow of immigrants was not only entirely White (not counting the slaves 
imported from Africa, of course), but it consisted of a tougher, more 
independent breed than in recent years. People came to America from Europe 
seeking freedom, adventure, or opportunity; but certainly no one came looking 
for a handout, because everyone understood that there were no handouts 
available. As the country became more urban, however, the stream of 
immigrants began to include more of the wretched refuse of various teeming 
shores yearning to receive welfare checks, and the politicians began looking 
to the public treasury as a source of funds for buying votes. The consequence 
has been the growth of an urban underclass of citizens dependent on the 
government in one way or another: citizens who always are ready to increase 
their dependency on the government and to trade freedom for the promise of 
more security.

The Mass Media Hate Guns: Here's Why

All three of the factors above have to do with the changing character of the 
U.S. electorate, and they are important reasons for the declining fortunes of 
the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. They are dwarfed to 
insignificance by a fourth factor, however, and that factor is the growth in 
the degree of influence on public opinion of the Jews through their control 
of the mass media of information and entertainment.

Both the Jewish control of the media and the media bias against the citizen's 
right to keep and bear arms are generally recognized but seldom discussed 
publicly, for fear of the charge of "anti-Semitism." Also manifest but 
inadequately publicized is the Jewish leadership of the legislative drive to 
restrict or abolish the private ownership of firearms. The names of the 
principal anti-Second Amendment legislators -- Feinstein, Metzenbaum, Schumer 
-- tell part of the story, and the anti-gun lobbying organizations, of which 
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith -- the ADL -- is the most 
powerful, tell the rest.

When a "group of concerned citizens" or an association of mayors or chiefs of 
police issues a statement to the press calling for the banning of firearms as 
a way of reducing violence in America's cities, a close examination nearly 
always will reveal the hidden hand of the ADL. Especially insidious has been 
the ADL's use of local, state, and federal police agencies as front groups. 
For the past two decades the ADL has been lobbying actively for a group of 
what it calls "model statutes" restricting firearms ownership and penalizing 
what it deems to be "hate crimes" perpetrated by Whites against members of 
minority groups. Typically the ADL will have a police official or two in tow 
when it shows up at a state legislature to lobby for one of these politically 
oriented laws.

The ADL's program to subvert police departments was revealed in late 1992 
when a San Francisco police inspector, Thomas Gerard, was arrested for 
illegally selling confidential police investigative files to the ADL. Police 
searches of ADL offices in San Francisco and Los Angeles in April of last 
year turned up evidence of widespread corruption of police agencies around 
the country by the ADL. Brave indeed is the local police chief who will turn 
away an ADL emissary who visits his office with a couple of the community's 
leading Jewish businessmen and requests the chief's endorsement of a "model 
statute" banning semiautomatic firearms.

Now, far less obvious than the fact of Jewish leadership of the drive to ban 
the private ownership of firarms is the reason for this Jewish activity. The 
reason is the so-called "New World Order," a subject I've spoken about 
several times before on American Dissident Voices. To put it very briefly, 
the New World Order is a utopian system in which the U.S. economy will be 
"globalized," the wage levels of U.S. workers will be brought down to those 
of workers in the Third World, national boundaries will for all practical 
purposes cease to exist, an increased flow of Third World immigrants into the 
United States will have produced a non-White majority in the country, and 
United Nations "peace keeping" forces will be used to keep anyone from opting 
out of the system.

To be sure, Jews are not the only ones behind this scheme for a New World 
Order. It appeals to egalitarians, many of them Christians, who are tormented 
by the fact that most of the population of the Third World lives in a state 
of perpetual squalor and poverty. They really believe that the unfavorable 
condition of these non-White masses is not due to any innate inferiority. 
They really believe that these masses can and should be lifted up to a White 
level, and that it's worth pulling the White living standard down in order to 
equalize everyone. And, of course, it appeals to many people in the upper 
echelons of Big Business, who are entranced by the prospect of paying lower 
wages and exporting their goods to a bigger market. It was considerations of 
this sort which gave us the unholy alliance of egalitarian ideologues and 
international capitalists who backed the recently adopted North American Free 
Trade Agreement.

Equality and so-called "free trade" aside, one salient feature of the New 
World Order is a greatly increased degree of centralization of power and of 
governmental control over the lives of ordinary citizens. This means a 
greatly increased importance for the mass media of news and entertainment. 
Whoever controls the mass media and is therefore able to manipulate the 
attitudes and opinions of the great masses of people will, for all practical 
purposes, be able to steer the course taken by the New World Order. This 
helps us to understand the virtually unanimous enthusiasm of the Jews for the 
New World Order.

New World Order=A Disarmed America

There are two prerequisites for safely bringing in the New World Order. 
First, the people who are not convinced that surrendering national 
sovereignty and permitting themselves to be "equalized" with China's coolies 
and Mexico's peons are good things must be silenced with "hate" laws designed 
to criminalize any expression of fact or opinion which can be considered 
"racist." Second, the same people must be disarmed, so that they have no 
recourse but to obey the laws and remain silent.

In the United States the number of people likely to take up arms against an 
oppressive government is not large at this time. We live in an age when 
comfort and safety are valued more highly than freedom. If economic 
conditions worsen substantially, however, those few willing to fight for 
freedom may persuade many others who are more concerned with their 
pocketbooks than their honor to take up arms as well, and if that happens the 
New World Order will be in serious trouble.

What all the foregoing means is that the present drive to disarm American 
citizens is motivated by a fear of rebellion, not by a fear of crime.

The people in the media and the government beating the drums for the New 
World Order understand that as the  program of "globalization" proceeds, 
millions of newly dispossessed citizens will be angry and desperate. If these 
citizens still have firearms in their possession, they may strike at their 
despoilers.

Patriots need to understand this fact as well as their enemies do, and they 
must not be bashful about stating it plainly and forcefully.  They need to 
drop the pretense that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect the 
rights of hunters, target shooters, and collectors of antique firearms. When 
Congressman Schumer or Senator Metzenbaum holds a semiautomatic rifle or 
pistol up for the television cameras and says that "no legitimate sportsman 
needs a weapon like this," he is laughing up his sleeve at the same time.

The needs of sportsmen and hobbyists are utterly without importance or 
significance when compared with the two serious needs served by the private 
ownership of firearms: the need of the individual for weapons with which to 
protect his person, his family, and his property against the growing hordes 
of criminals in our disintegrating society; and the need of the patriot for 
weapons with which to keep governmental tyranny in check.

America's Problem: Race, Not Guns

There is another very important dimension to the change which has brought 
Americans to the point that so many of them are eager to surrender and beg 
for mercy. That is the racial dimension and its relationship to the enormous 
increase in crime and violence in America.Those who are able to remember 
America as it was three or four decades ago remember a life as different from 
that of today as day is from night. There were no drugs or gang violence in 
the schools. There were no drive-by shootings. Burglary and armed robbery 
were so rare that when such a crime did occur it was the talk of the town for 
months afterward. Listeners who find it difficult to believe that such an 
America ever existed need only view a few motion pictures from the 1940s or 
early 1950s: Look at the crowds on the streets that you see in those films. 
Look at the students on the university campuses. Look at the faces in the 
offices and factories. It was a White America.

America prior to the 1960s was a vastly gentler and kinder country than it is 
today. The drugs and violence endemic in the non-White community had not been 
permitted to spread to the White community. White children still could play 
in fields or vacant lots near their homes without fear. No one ever was 
killed or raped on a school playground. But then the planners of the New 
World Order decided that the time had come to begin transforming America, to 
begin getting it ready to fit into their scheme of things. Blacks and Whites 
must be integrated, without regard for the consequences!

It is astonishing how easily White Americans permitted themselves to be 
dispossessed in their own land. It is disgusting how many of them 
collaborated in the campaign of genocide against their own people -- and 
still do. Of course, the New World Order boys had an immensely powerful 
weapon in their hands by the 1960s, and they used it with deadly skill: 
television. Americans let themselves be persuaded by the puppeteers 
manipulating the images on their television screens that racial integration 
was fashionable. And when the changes of the 1960s brought nothing but evil, 
White Americans let themselves be persuaded that the cure for the evil was 
more change of the same sort! If there is a just God in heaven, he must laugh 
in scorn when he hears White Americans whining now about drugs and crime and 
violence and how they are afraid for the future.

Crime and violence came to America as a direct and immediate consequence of 
the loss of racial homogeneity in American society. When Blacks and other 
non-Whites were released from their ghettos and came flooding into the White 
world they brought their life-style of drugs, crime, and violence with them. 
And the attitudes and behavior of Whites -- especially young Whites -- also 
changed. With the loss of racial and cultural homogeneity went the loss of a 
sense of community. The world in which White boys and girls were growing up 
became more alien, more hostile. It was no longer their world. They no longer 
had a sense of family, of belonging. They no longer had clear standards and 
models, no longer a clear image of what was expected of them. When young 
Whites lost their sense of belonging in the chaotic, racially mixed world 
into which they suddenly were thrust in the 1960s and 1970s, many of them 
also lost their sense of responsibility to that world. Immorality, crime, and 
violence increased among young Whites as among Blacks. It was a natural and 
inevitable consequence of the loss of homogeneity.

So what do we do about this horrible increase in crime and violence which so 
frightens people? Well, we might think about restoring the homogeneity and 
the sense of community White Americans used to have. We might think about 
that, except that if we said anything about it we would be immediately 
denounced  by the controlled media as "racists." Now to the average TV-bred 
citizen, to be considered a racist is a fate worse than death. He cannot 
blame the decline in the quality of American life on a loss of homogeneity. 
He cannot blame racial mixing. Powerful taboos forbid it. And so he is easily 
enough persuaded by the manipulators behind his television screen to blame 
firearms instead.

The manipulators understand this psychology all too well, and they are 
exploiting it fully in their campaign to disarm Americans. They are using the 
fear of soaring crime and violence to stampede the frightened, unthinking 
voters into letting their only means of protection from this crime and 
violence be taken away from them --  into giving up their only means of 
settling scores with the manipulators of the media and their collaborators in 
the government who have made such a cesspool of America.

Crime and violence can only increase, of course, because almost no one has 
the courage and honesty to discuss their real causes, much less to do 
anything realistic about cleaning up the mess that has been made of America. 
Therefore, the stampede will continue until White Americans -- that is, the 
ones who obey all the laws -- have been completely disarmed.I'll repeat that: 
The present campaign to disarm Americans will not abate. Neither the 
controlled media nor the government will back away from a goal of total 
disarmament of the civilian population. They won't reach this goal in a 
single step, but they'll continue taking steps until they do reach it. The 
target now is semiautomatic rifles. Later it will be all semiautomatic 
pistols. Then it will be other types of handguns. After that it will be all 
firearms which hold more than three cartridges. "That's all a sportsman 
really needs," they'll say. Then it will be all firearms except 
muzzle-loaders. Somewhere along the line, various types of ammunition will be 
banned. "Only a criminal would want a cartridge like this," they'll say.

Before too many steps have been taken there will be compulsory registration 
of all firearms and firearm owners, in order to facilitate confiscation later.

This bleak prospect has a silver lining, and it's this: a very substantial 
portion of gun owners will defy the government and become outlaws rather than 
give up their weapons, if the populations of California and New Jersey are at 
all representative of the country as a whole. When bans on so-called "assault 
rifles" were enacted in those two states fewer than 10% of the people owning 
such weapons turned them in.

Bans of the California and New Jersey sort have a marvelously salutary effect 
on the attitude of the people who refuse to comply with the bans. Relatively 
few of these people are militant patriots or committed revolutionaries. The 
great majority are simply people who have enough character, enough backbone 
and common sense, to refuse to let themselves be stampeded along with the 
sheep into giving up their only effective means of self-defense in a time of 
civil disorder. Most of them have been law-abiding citizens all of their 
lives, and it is not an easy decision for them to consciously disobey the law 
-- especially a law which could send them to prison for years. They are not 
happy about being forced to become outlaws. Once they have crossed that 
bridge, however, they should have a much healthier attitude toward the 
government. Most will see it thenceforth as their enemy. Many will be ready 
to fight it when the time comes for fighting.

They have passed the first test of manhood in the new world of repression and 
revolution we are entering now. The more such armed, angry outlaws the 
government makes, the better it will be for all of us in the long run.

I'll leave you with this word: Don't do anything violent or foolish. Don't do 
anything prematurely. We are in a very serious situation, a situation of 
extreme danger for the future of our race, and we must use the utmost 
prudence in dealing with it.

Keep your firearms out of sight, but within reach. The day will come for 
using them. The day for a great cleansing of this land will come. Until that 
day, keep your powder dry.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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In message <845877818$27377@atype.com> - Kaa Byington  writes:
:>
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>>
:>>In message <845787798$19705@atype.com> - Kaa Byington >> writes:
:>>:>Arlin, you simpleton, you fall into the trap every time.  MARTIN LUTHER 
:>>:>DID NOT SAY THAT.  They're making up these quotes you keep trying to 
:>>:>justify.
:>>
:>>You're full of it, Kaa. Haven't you ever heard of Luther's book - "The Jews 
:>>and Their Lies"? It was real enough that recently the Lutheran Church 
:>>formally banned it. There was no doubt as to who wrote it, their founder, 
:>>Martin Luther. Kind of ironic isn't it, a church banning a book written by 
:>>it's very founder and, for that matter, the father of Protestantism? 
:>>
:>>I guess he just didn't know what he was talking about, huh?

:>There's no such book in the Library of Congress--which means it never 
:>existed.  Dumb, Ian, I mean Willie,  In any case, churches do not "ban" 
:>the works of their Founding Fathers, they find them apocryphal.  
:>

Maybe I don't have the title exactly right, but I specifically remember 
reading the story in the mainstream press concerning the Lutheran church 
about two years ago. Whether they banned it or found it "apocryphal" matters 
little. The fact is that they officially denounced, in whatever fashion, 
Martin Luther's writings specifically because of what he said about the Jews.

Regardless, of Luther, none of you can successfully dispute what the Jewish 
Talmud says, because it simply cannot be done. Look, I have books written by 
Jews that go into it. Why don't you get a copy of "Jewish History, Jewish 
Religion" by Israel Shahak, copyright 1994 by Pluto press. It has a forward 
by Gore Vidal and was favorably reviewed by Noam Chomsky. Shahak goes into 
some detail on these Talmudic sections that I'm talking about.

Well, on the other hand, maybe I'm wasting my time, since you would probably 
say that Israel Shahak is a secret nazi or some other nonsense.

I don't need to make this up. Its all there in the Talmud. Of course, it's 
very difficult for a gentile to get a copy of it. As a matter of fact, I 
think there's some admonition in there that says it is forbidden for any 
Jew to tell a gentile what's in the Talmud, or something to that effect.

Yours truly,
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In message <845874183$27158@atype.com> - Lissa Valerian  writes:
:>For example, NAZI control of *ANYTHING* is a disaster for all but white
:>people. The NAZI platform pumps race-hating, racist, politically
:>incorrect, and non-white self-hating propaganda through its every medium.
:>It portrays all efforts by non-Whites to oppose race's ongoing segregation
:>as "racist" and "evil."  NAZI control of *anything* morally assassinates
:>ANY candidate who dares to speak for the non-White interest, thus
:>preventing non-Whites from "voting" for someone who protects their
:>interests.  The NAZI platform also slants news to fit the NAZI agenda.

There's one big glitch in your statement: the nazis don't control the media - 
the Jews do. Case closed.


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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 09:18:41 PDT 1996
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In message <845874197$27172@atype.com> - Lissa Valerian  writes:
:>Are you claiming that the White Nationalists have no biases or interests
:>of its own?
:>

No, but our biases are obvious and we don't pretend otherwise. The Jews claim 
they're not biased, but they are. Hell, you can't even mention that Jews 
control the media - even when no negative intent is intended. Just ask Dolly 
Parton and Marlon Brando, both of whom were viciously attacked by the Jews 
for merely mentioning that undeniable fact. The Jews, who constitute 3% of 
the population, want to control 90% of the media, but they don't want anyone 
to say anything about it. The fact that no one can get away with talking 
about their influence, ought to be proof enough that they do indeed have 
tremendous power. They obviously have the power to intimidate everyone to 
keep quiet.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 09:18:42 PDT 1996
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In message <845945301$3222@atype.com> - sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes:


:>ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
:>
:>
:>>In article <845927283$756@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>>writes:
:>
:>>>Which of course ONLY begs the question as to whether his racial views
:>>>were a "mistake." 
:>
:>>they were.
:>
:>PROVE the Founders' racial views were a mistake!   PROVE IT.  Looks
:>they were dead on right!  As soon as integration occurred, crime
:>exploded and floods of non-White invaders came into America to turn it
:>into the third-world diseased sewer America is now becoming.   Those
:>Founders were veritable prophets!  If the Founders were here they'd
:>have to leave to start a new country up!   Hey, that's the NA's trying
:>to do....   

If they were alive today, THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD BE MEMBERS OF THE 
NATIONAL ALLIANCE, and among it's most emphatic proponents. There's no doubt 
in my mind!

For that matter, just go back one hundred years and start telling some old 
fashion Yankee or a Southerner about all your great ideas on "what the 
Constitution is really about" with regard to race, and you'd probably get 
the stuffing knocked-out of you. Back then, a White woman wouldn't dare be 
seen with a Black man. When America was a healthy country, people didn't 
tolerate your kind of nonsense. People like that would have been considered 
degenerates, folks would have avoided them, they'd have been shunned, and 
maybe tarred and feathered. 

Even 50 years ago, you'd have been in perfect agreement with the Communists 
on race.

In short, don't try to re-interpret what Amwerica was. I've talked to many 
old persons and none of them support your racial equality crap. Even I've 
lived long enough to see the decline in everything since this "civil rights" 
nonsense got started back in the sixties. From that time on, America has 
declined morally, spiritially, economically; the popular culture has become 
thoroghly degenerate; government has increased enormously, along with taxes, 
and welfare; non-white immigrants pour-in at will; we have the most 
flagrantly corrupt criminal ever for President. All these things are a 
direct result of what went on from 1954 to 1969. All were brought about by 
our "victory" in World War Two.

I think future historians, if there are any, will recognize World War 
Two as Western Civilization's Waterloo. Also they will wounder why we 
subsequently decided to destroy ourselves. If I had to name one reason, I'd 
say it's because too many of our race have lost the will to live and have 
lost the sense of true morality. Today, suicide is morally correct, whether 
that be for personal application or applying it to our whole race. Some of 
our people have sunk so low, that they take perverse pleasure in seeing 
Whites denegrated, dispossessed, and ultimately becoming extinct. But, the 
majority simply sit back and do nothing, while trying to get whatever 
pleasure they can from life; "don't worry about the future", "if it feels 
good - do it", etc., ad infinitum. 

This situation must change or White people are finished - that's the bottom 
line.  

Most of you are probably unaware, but you people represent and act-out those 
forces of decay and immorality which are destroying the West and our race.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 11:20:09 PDT 1996
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In message <845944433$3088@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845855316$24807@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
:>
:>>I don't see how ANYBODY can claim intelligence ISN'T genetic after
:>reading
:>>this article.
:>
:>it's called "nazis are gullible" brian...it's how your masters train you
:>to think (or not think, in this case).

Oh, of course, Arlin doesn't consider the people, who have rammed into his 
head full of the nonsense that he spouts, his "masters." He's been so 
thoroughly brainwashed, that he isn't even aware.

Listen Arlin, or Arleen, you've swallowed this liberal race propaganda hook, 
line, and sinker, so don't call us "gullible." If we were gullible, we'd be 
on YOUR side.



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Subject: Re: Don't ban the nazis, WHUP ON 'EM!
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In message <845945315$3250@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845927324$810@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Yeah, the races really behave like "two interracial friends."
:> How do nazis feel KNOWING that those to whom
:>they've sworn blind allegiance are lying to them on a daily basis?


[Here we go again, this time it's "Arlin's Big Lie Technique."] 


Oh yes, I see it now! Arlin, you're right. From now on, I'll believe whatever 
Dan Rather and the New York Times tells me, just like you!!!! I'm saved! 
Praise God!


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 23:55:10 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Communism is Jewish. (undeniable evidence here)
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In message <845949822$4050@atype.com> - rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845866984$26202@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Communism's Jewish Connection
:>>Ian McKinney
:>
:>Yeah, well that connection is pretty tenuous at best, Ian.
:>
You must be pretty dense if you really believe that.


:>>One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian 
:>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority of
:>>the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to them,
:>>continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these facts, 
:>>it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created and lead
:>>revolutionary movement.
:>
:>So how do explain Lenin, Stalin, Malenkov, Khrushchev, Breznev, Andropov,
:>Chernenko, and Gorbachev? 

What's so surprising? However, I must mention first that Lenin was at least 
part-Jewish and married to a Jewess. Stalin was married to a Jewess and his 
right-hand man was Igor Kaganovich, a Jew. I've read that Khrushchev was also 
married to a Jewess. But, despite that, the Communist political structure was 
already in existance by the time these people came to power. Ambitious men 
naturally followed the existing establishment. You must think that because 
there were non-Jews involved that that somehow negates my point. Nonsense. 
Considering that Jews were a tiny minority in the USSR, they couldn't 
possibly man every position, all the time.


:>The fact that there were Jews in
:>the Communist leadership from time to time means nothing since the bulk of
:>the party leadership, especially after the Great Purges of the 1930s, were
:>Great Russians or Ukrainians.

There were still plenty of Jews involved after that. Check Pavel Sudoplatov's 
recent book, Special Tasks. He writes of his experiences just before and 
after WWII. He was married to a Jewess and there are Jews mentioned 
through-out the book. It is an unintentional confirmation of what I'm saying.


:>The main reason there were Jews in the
:>early leadership is probably more to do with the fact that the Jews formed
:>a large segment of the developing Russian middle class of the late 19th
:>Century.  

Wrong again! Many of the Jews in leadership positions in the beginning were 
living in New York City before the revolution. Some of them were born in 
America and couldn't speak one word of Russian.


:>Also, how do define the Bolshevik leadership?  Do you use the
:>Politburo or the Secretariat or perhaps the Central Committee as the basis
:>for such claims of Jewish domination.    

I define it exactly as the authors of the diplomatic telegrams and the 
government identified them.


:>>First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl
:>>Marx, was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side. 
:>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since 
:>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
:>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but also 
:>>nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
:>
:>Big deal. Karl Marx died in 1883 some 34 years before a Marxist style
:>government came into being anywhere in the world. 

He still laid the political/philosophical ground work and was the movement's 
inspiration.


:>The founders of Marxism
:>in Russian were Plekhanov and Lenin, neither were Jewish.  

Lenin was part Jewish, as I said. I don't need to rehash the early history of 
the Bolsheviks, since I've read it already. Nonetheless, you can't deny the 
tremendous proportion of Jews who were involved, as evidenced by the 
documentation I just produced. You can only attempt to obsfucate the 
issue.





:>To ever say that Soviet Communism was a Jewish plot is utterly ridiculous.
:> Check out the anti-Semitic statements made current Russian Communist
:>leaders and their nationalist allies.

I didn't call it a "Jewish plot", more like a product of Jewish activity. 
Ridiculous?  I provided the documentation. It's very clear. While I don't 
deny that some of the later Soviet leaders may have been ambivalent towards 
the Jews, it cannot be denied that Jews were involved as leaders to an 
amazing degree in the period before WWII, and still held numerous positions 
of responsibility afterwards.

With regard to alledged "anti-semitism", keep in mind, Communist Russia was 
always anti-Zionist to a degree, since many Jews were divided between Zionism 
and Communism - both ideologies fermented for years in the Jewish area in 
Russia known as the Pale Settlement. Communist Jews are often antagonistic 
towards the Zionists. But, the dispute can be crudely broken down to Left 
versus Right within the Jewish world-wide community.

I also provided info on the the disproportionate number of Jews caught 
spying for Russia. that information could be easily varified through 
newspaper archives from the early 1950's. 

You people just never want to admit that I nailed you conclusively on this. 
It's easy though, since the evidence is all over the place - if you open your 
eyes and forget your pro-Jewish indoctrination.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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In message <845949831$4064@atype.com> - rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845866984$26202@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
:>general
:>>
:>>in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
:>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."                           
:>
:>Sheesh, anybody has read Russian history knows that to be anti-Jewish is
:>the same being Russian.

Is that the best you can do to refute it? 



:>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
:>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each
:>>town consists of Jews of the worst type."                 
:>
:>Sounds like Mr. Caldwell was an anti-semite since he isn't using
:>diplomatic language here.

What's anti-semitic about it? You're amazing.


:>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
:>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Captain
:>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States
:>>but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and 
:>>controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."                       

:>Clearly an anti-semitic statement unfortunately uttered (allegedly) by an
:>American official..

Weak, very weak. "Alledgedly?", contact the U.S. Archives yourself. I have a 
photostat of the original. It's not faked.



:>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
:>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government:  "...(T)here were 384 
:>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians,
:>>AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to Russia from the
:>>United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."         
:>
:>This is interesting.  Are the numbers cited party officials or puppet
:>state officials?  

Does it really matter?


:>Ian, you place to much
:>importance on such documents coming from men who themselves are
:>anti-semitic or are just plain ignorant of Russian affairs at the time.

What's with this "antisemitic" crap. I guess that's the best you can do.

Alright, Bud, I did my homework, now go do yours. I reject your off-hand 
refutations. They mean nothing. I just hit you with facts, sources, dates, 
and persons. That's what you all are always moaning about - you want all 
that, well, I just gave it to you.



:>> It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them
:>>Jews) conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian 
:>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
:>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile 
:>>campaigns in history. Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 
:>>85 million persons were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia.  
:>
:>Gee, the leaders of the Soviet Union in the 1920s were Lenin and
:>Stalin---both Great Russian raised in the Orthodox church. 

The Jew, Kaganovich was running the operation, and had Jews overseeing it in 
the Ukraine.



:>>During the early 1950's numerous investigations and trials were 
:>>conducted against communist agents. Here follows a brief summary of the
:>>most well-know cases which demonstrate the disproportionate involvement of
:>Jews in communist activities against the United States.
:>
:>>McCarthyite like laundry list of the usual suspects snipped>
:>
:>Other than the fact that you claim that some of these people were Jewish,
:>you still haven't proved that Communism is a Jewish directed plot.

Huh hmm. There's no evidence that will convince a fanatic like yourself, is 
there?


:> Big
:>deal if there were a lot of Jews in the Communist party of the USA, since
:>those that were agents were under the control of Moscow center.  

At least you admit there were alot of Jews involved. But, that's like someone 
dying with AIDS admitting: "Well, yea I've got a slightly upset stomach".


:>>At this
:>>time in the late 1940s, the Soviet Secret Police under the control of
:>>Beria,  and he had cleared out many of the Jews who had held high posts in
:>>the Soviet party and state.    

Jeez! BERIA WAS A JEW HIMSELF.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 23:55:12 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Nazis are Terrorist traitors: Never forget OKC!!
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In message <845950710$4146@atype.com> - johannes@ix.netcom.com (John C. Stephen
s III) writes:
:>
:>In <845945285$3194@atype.com> mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) writes: 
:>>
:>>
:>>In message <845871503$26668@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
:>>rk T Pitcavage) writes:
:>>:>Pierce probably prefers the armed robbery of armored cars.  Do you think he's 
:>>:>spent the last of the money Bobby Matthews sent him?
:>>
:>>Dr. Pierce has emphatically denied that he recieved any money from Bob 
:>>Matthews, and you have no proof that he did. Of course, this should 
:>>surprise no one, since you seem to have very little use for such things as 
:>>proof or facts, and especially truth.
:>>
:>Where DO your leaders get the money, Ian?  Who are they working
:>for?

>From  what I understand, Dr. Pierce took a vow of poverty years ago. He lives 
very modestly in a mobile home and drives old cars. He supports himself 
through contributions from NA members. (Money well spent). However, if he was 
in it for the money, I think he would have done much better if he had 
remainied a college professor and research scientist. 


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 23:55:13 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: [waffie's] POLAND?
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In message <845953385$4558@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845854415$24659@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
:>
:>>Ian's numbers were right on the money:
:>
:>I realize that this may be difficult for you to grasp, brian, but just
:>because a nazi says something doesn't establish it as fact...that's just
:>another lie your masters have told you to control you...do you like the
:>feeling of being controled?

Run the numbers, or can't you multiply, dip stick? 


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Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 23:55:14 PDT 1996
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 18:33:14 GMT
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Subject: Re: Nazis are Terrorist traitors: Never forget OKC!!
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In message <845949046$3925@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>
:>
:>In article <845861589$25949@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Bombings and shootings appear to be the princple domain of your militia 
:>>people. You're always strutting around with your AK-47s and AR-15s and 
:>>passing around books on bombs and unconventional warfare.
:>
:>actually, most of the links for bomb-making on the net are off of the
:>racialist pages (including some that link to National Alliance if I
:>remember correctly), 

The Alliance web page has absolutely no bomb plans.

:>:>Tell me something,
:>:>why is it that your hero here had to BUY a Slavic mail-order bride?  
:>:>Couldn't find an Aryan-American girl sick enough for him?
:>
:>>Susan Pierce is not a "mail-order bride". She was in America before 
:>>she ever met Dr. Pierce. You're just angry that you don't have a decent 
:>>and attractive woman like her for yourself.
:>
:>Slavic? hmmm .... aren't there a lot of commies in that general group too?

More anti-Communists. 

My wife is of Russian/Croatian background (second generation). She's 
certainly anti-communist, and incidently, is very expert at discerning 
Jewishness.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Tue Oct 22 23:55:15 PDT 1996
Article: 40554 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 19:03:40 GMT
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Subject: Re: note to the supremacist types
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In message <845952501$4355@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845854433$24705@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
:>
:>>Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish
:>Encyclopedia,
:>>published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, 
:>
:>actually, none of your quotes are real brian - they're all forgeries, 

FORGERIES, FORGERIES, it's all been faked, Brian. All the documents, 
statements, and books are all fakes. Even the Talmud itself, is a forgery - 
installed in every synagogue accross the globe by a secret group of Nazis to 
make the Jews look bad! Even the Israel was a "Nazi plot." 

BTW, I just discovered that all the media moguls are all secret Nazis, posing 
as Jews. They're all part of an elaborate antisemitic conspiracy too!

It's all clear now!

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 23 09:12:01 PDT 1996
Article: 40697 of misc.activism.militia
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Subject: Re: Pitcavage, these goofs are on your side
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In message <845956994$5140@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>
:>
:>In article <845929984$1376@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>>>Their little wreath looks remarkably like an upside-down anarchy A.
:>>>How appropriate.
:>>
:>>good point mike!
:>
:>or the broken cross (peace symbol) often attributed to the commies during
:>the peace movement? Symbology may be ambiguous, their commie,
:>anti-capitalistic rhetoric is not.

For the benefit of the ignorant fools who think that the Life rune is a 
"peace symbol", I hope you notice that, not coincidentally, that the rune is 
an INVERTED peace symbol. Meaning, among other things, the direct opposite of 
the commie peace symbol so often used to symbolize the anti-Western commie 
degeneracy promoted by its wearers.

The Life rune stands for life, rebirth, and resistance.

I might add that it has nothing to do with a "broken cross." So all you Bible 
thumpers can relax.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 23 09:12:02 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Abraham Lincoln on Race
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In message <845963477$6269@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>
:>
:>In article <845933625$2051@atype.com>, johannes@ix.netcom.com (John C.
:>Stephens III) writes:
:>
:>> The evidence weighs heavy against you, nazi.
:>
:>"commie," John, "commie." These kids are clearly funded by a group that is
:>bent on perverting freedom, equality, and the American way. A typical
:>commie ploy, you know? But then given that the "national socialist" types
:>are being recognized as nothing more than closet commies, I guess that's
:>not too surprising.

Yea, right. That must be why Hitler regarded Bolshevism as the greatest evil 
on Earth. If England and America would have left the Germans have their way 
with Russia, Communism would have died before it really got going. By 
defeating the Germans, we actually made the world safe for Communism.

I don't think that was by accident.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 23 09:12:04 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: True Patriotism
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In message <845960611$5870@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mar
k T Pitcavage) writes:
:>B) The notion that there were -any- "white slaves" in 1776 is pretty funny.

The fact that you laugh, shows you don't know what you're talking about.

See: "They Were White and They Were Slaves" by Michael Hoffman. Well 
researched and irrefutable.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 23 09:12:05 PDT 1996
Article: 40724 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 2:48:50 GMT
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Subject: Clinton's Federal Reserve-100% Jewish
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In a move which has shocked Patriots across America, Bill Clinton has 
appointed Jews to the top three positions of the Federal Reserve Board:

Alan Greenspan - Chairman
Alice Rivlin - Vice Chairman
Laurence Meyer - Governor

It's also interesting to note that Clinton had previously nominated another 
Jew, Felix Rohatyn, for Vice Chairman, but this extreme leftist was rejected 
by Congress.

The Vice Chairman's position was left open when another Jewish Clinton 
appointee, Alan Blinder, resigned to take a post as a law professor at 
Princeton University.

With Jews constituting 3% of the US population, I guess it's all just a 
coincidence.

Source: Alanta Constitution

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 23 09:12:06 PDT 1996
Article: 40744 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 7:48:42 GMT
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Subject: Clinton's CIA - 100% Jewish
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In a move which has shocked Patriots across America, Bill Clinton has 
appointed Jews to the top four positions of the Central Intelligence Agency:

John Deutch - Director of CIA
David Cohen - Director of Operations
Nora Slotkin - Executive Director
George Tenet - Deputy Director

With Jews constituting just 3% of US population, I guess it's all just a 
coincidence.

Sources:
Parade Magazine, Nov. 19, 1995
Fall River News, Feb. 23, 1996
Forward (A Jewish publication)


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 23 09:12:06 PDT 1996
Article: 40797 of misc.activism.militia
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Subject: Re: THE WAGES OF NAZIISM
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In message <845959806$5739@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:> Oh, and  the Dresden bombing was in response
:>to German bombing of British Civilian targets (downtown London is a
:>civilian target to normal human beings).  

Where do you get this nonsense? The Germans bombed British civilian targets 
in RETALIATION for the Britian's bombing of Germany's civilians!


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 24 10:05:01 PDT 1996
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 2:33:22 GMT
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Subject: Re: Nazis are Terrorist traitors: Never forget OKC!!
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In message <846030804$13980@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>> (Money well spent).
:>
:>they really do want you to believe that, ian...besides what else could you
:>say on the net, especially in a newsgroup you know your superiors read
:>regularly.

Arlin, I'll tell you something, I think for myself. I don't care WHO reads 
what I post. My comments are my own and I stand by them. I don't get prior 
approval for anything I say from anybody. There may even be some people on my 
side that wish that weren't so, but that's the way it is.



:>> However, if he was
:>>in it for the money, I think he would have done much better if he had 
:>>remainied a college professor and research scientist. 
:>
:>both of those professions require credibility, which automaticly
:>disqualifies weird willie pierce...

He seemed to be fairly successful at it. 

BTW, from what posts I've seen by you, I estimate Pierce's credabilty to be 
about 1000 times that of yours. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 24 10:05:02 PDT 1996
Article: 40995 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 2:06:05 GMT
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Subject: Re: Don't ban the nazis, WHUP ON 'EM!
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In message <846059591$17475@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846025406$13380@atype.com>, GEQR17C@prodigy.com (Leo Walsh)
:>writes:
:>
:>>  If we want to remain a free country then we 
:>>are going to have to go back to being a White country.
:>
:>GONG! we never *were* a 'white' country, leo - that's just a lie your
:>masters tell you. 

Well, not 100%, but, at least, before 1960 America was approximately 90% 
White. Since then we have slipped to around 70%. Yea, and alot of other 
things slipped too, like the crime rate slipped-up enormously, welfare and 
other handouts too, and the quality of life slipped down dramatically.

>From  the 1950's many things most people value has went to sh*t. And I don't 
think it's coincidental that those things went down at the same rate 
that "diversity" went up.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 24 10:05:03 PDT 1996
Article: 41052 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 2:33:05 GMT
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Subject: Re: Nazis are Terrorist traitors: Never forget OKC!!
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In message <846025455$13426@atype.com> - wjb3@mindspring.com (Billy Beck) write
s:
:>
:>
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>
:>>Bombings and shootings appear to be the princple domain of your militia 
:>>people. You're always strutting around with your AK-47s and AR-15s and 
:>>passing around books on bombs and unconventional warfare. You can't do 
:>>that all the time without somebody wanting to put some of it to use. That's 
:>>why the Feds are always setting you up. You're such easy targets.
:>
:>	Christ on a banana-peel.
:>
:>	*This* paragraph might have been written by Ted Frank.  It's not quite
:>strident or oily enough for the Infamous Liar (Rack Jite), but it
:>reads just like any of the Clintonistae, c. 1995.  (Hey *Pit*!  Take a
:>good look at that.  That's what *you* look like.)

Billy Boy, I've been to right-wing rallies where the militia crowd were 
in attendance. I've read a substantial amount of "Militia" literature, and, 
while I'm not in a militia or believe in some of the same things, I know 
people who are. You're not talking to someone who just fell-off the turnip 
truck.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 24 10:05:03 PDT 1996
Article: 41054 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 2:48:04 GMT
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Subject: Re: Resisting the haters
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In message <845963283$6196@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>Ignore Pitcavage's blatherings, he's a know fool and a proven liar
:>supporting -your- commie agenda. Using your standards and his, then, and
:>-prove- beyond a reasonable doubt you are not both commies or commie
:>influenced. Not to say that Doc is a commie of course, just that his
:>standards should be used. :-)

Ok. Please tell me what "proof" you require that I'm not a "commie", despite 
the fact that that's the biggest howler I've heard this year.

I've been called many things, but I think this is the first time I've been 
called a commie. What a laugh!

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 10:35:48 PDT 1996
Article: 41242 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 0:48:38 GMT
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Subject: Re: IAN McKINNEY's problems
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In message <846094689$21619@atype.com> - BurningMan@The.Door (The Burning Man) 
writes:
:>
:>
:>
:>Seems this guy can't stop walking around
:>with his drawers down on the Internet.
:>
:>Every time he puts a "Jew this, Jew that" post
:>in this Usenet group, he's defaming the good
:>people that he'll have to answer to when the
:>fan hits the turd.

I just put out the facts. I can't help it if you don't like it.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 10:35:49 PDT 1996
Article: 41289 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 3:48:49 GMT
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Subject: Re: Communism is Jewish. (undeniable evidence here)
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In message <846096605$21955@atype.com> - rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846028095$13726@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>writes:
:>
:>>rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:
:>>
:>>>To ever say that Soviet Communism was a Jewish plot is utterly
:>ridiculous.
:>>
:>>"The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
:>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
:>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
:>>Russia ... shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical
:>>forces, become a reality all over the world." 
:>>_The American Hebrew_, September 10, 1920 
:>
:>Lot they knew.  Let's see Lenin was premier, 

Lenin was at least 1/4 or 1/2 Jewish despite your protestations. A recent 
article in a mainstream publication (Time, I think) traced Lenin's ancestry 
and found that he was at least 1/4, and possibly 1/2, Jewish.


:>Molotov was running the party apparatus and _Pravda_, 

Molotov was married to the sister of Samuel Karp (Jew), owner of the Karp 
Export-Import Co., Bridgeport, Conn.


:>Dzherzhinsky was running the Cheka.

The first Cheka chief was Uritzky (Jew)


:>The only Jew high up in the leadership at that time was Trotsky as
:>head of the Red Army.  I might add that some of the top Red Army
:>commanders were former imperial officers. 

Trozky identifies in his book, "Stalin", The following persons as "Leaders 
of the Proletarian Revolution": Lenin (1/4 to 1/2 Jew and married to a 
Jewess), Trotzky (Jew), Zinoviev (Jew), Lunacharsky (non-Jew), Kamenev 
(Jew), and Sverdov (Jew).

With regard to Stalin, he was married to a Jewess, and his daughter married 
Mikail Kaganovich (Jew). (Associated Press, July 15, 1951). Also Stalin's 
son, Vassili, married Molotov's half-Jewish daughter, Svetlana. 



Some additional Jews involved in Communism in countries other than the USSR:

Hungary - Bela Kun (Jew) established a communist regime in the spring of 1919 
with aid from the USSR. "..........(T)he feeling was widespread that the 
revolution had been a movement on the part of the Jews. The government of 
Bela Kun was composed almost exclusively of Jews who held also the 
administrative offices." The top Jews were: Matyas Rakosi (Rosenkranz), and 
Erno Gero (Singer).When the Kun regime collapsed three months later - many 
Jews fled to Russia. 

Sources:
New International Year of the Book of 1919 (Dodd, Mead, Co., page 587) . 
Behind the Iron Curtain by John Gunther (Harper & Brothers, page 40)


Germany - The "Sparticus Bund", led by Jewess, Rosa Luxemburg, in the spring 
of 1919, attempted a Communist revolution, but failed. Later, Rosa and Karl 
Leibneckt, also Jewish, continued to lead Communist agitations until 
assasinated by right-wing elements in the early thirties. 

Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Romania - "The men who dominate Poland are Jews 
(Minc, Skryeszewski, Modezelewski, and Berman), the secretary general of the 
Communist Party in Czechoslovakia is a Jew (Slansky), Ana Pauker of Romania 
is a Jewess". 

Source:
Behind the Iron Curtain by John Gunther

Additional Info:

According to his grandson, Jacob Schiff (Jewish tycoon) "sank $20,000,000 for 
the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia." (New York Journal-American, Feb. 
3, 1949).

"Jewish cosmopolitianism was, if not the propelling force of the Bolshevik 
Revolution, certainly it's brainpower.(Jews in Russia, Jewish Post and 
Opinion, Feb. 26, 1971).


Give up, you don't have any chance. If I look a bit, I could smother you with 
evidence that the Bolshevik Revolution was an almost totally Jewish affair, 
and that Jews were heavily involved in subsequent Communist activities.

This is just the evidence I gathered here on my desk.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 10:35:50 PDT 1996
Article: 41379 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 13:03:05 GMT
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Subject: Re: M.A.M. Gets Bad Case of the Crabs (Neo-Nazis)
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In message <846194641$1990@atype.com> - "Bill K."  writ
es:
:>
:>
:>AHABIZ wrote:
:>> 
:>> In article <846125339$26160@atype.com>, BurningMan@The.Door (The Burning
:>> Man) writes:
:>> 
:>> >Anyone have any ideas on how to hurry them to where they're
:>> >going ?
:>> 
:>> actually some of the more, uh, flexible members of the politically liberal
:>> nazi hunters have started to drift over here to lend a hand...hopefully
:>> they'll be able to help round these guys up and then said liberals can
:>> take them all back to alt.nazi.wacko and keep them there...  In addition,
:>> we're also starting to get support from both decloaking lurkers and some
:>> scientific folks who are being vectored in here by various friends and
:>> allies.  It may take another week or so, but eventually the nazi's masters
:>> will realize the futility of their gambit, and pull the pitiful remnants
:>> of their pitiful troops out of here.
:>> 
:>> Arlin
:>
:>They are bullet-ridden corpses who refuse to lie down after being
:>cut to shreds, over and over and over again.
:>
:>Anybody know any "Just decompose, will ya?" spells for zombies?

In other words, whine, whine, whine.

Look, we came in here for some serious discussions, you gave alot of insults, 
threats, etc, now you want to call in your thugs.

I would prefer, as I have continued to maintain, civilized standards. It 
would be to your benefit to do likewise.

As far as Nizkor goes - When you lie down with dogs, don't be surprise if you 
get fleas. Ken McVey GSA is no friend of yours and you know it. He's in here 
trying to stir-up trouble for his own purposes.

You can say what you want about me, but I wouldn't team-up with McVey even to 
discredit you bums. He probably sees this situation of appearing as saving 
you from "the nazis" to be a great cover for gathering intelligence on the 
militia - to be passed directly on to Morris "Sleeze" Dees and the ADL. 

You people can't be that dumb?


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 10:35:50 PDT 1996
Article: 41380 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 13:48:04 GMT
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Subject: Re: note to the supremacist types
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In message <846025385$13366@atype.com> - sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes
:
:>
:>
:>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>
:>>FORGERIES, FORGERIES, it's all been faked, Brian. All the documents, 
:>>statements, and books are all fakes. Even the Talmud itself, is a forgery - 
:>>installed in every synagogue accross the globe by a secret group of Nazis to 
:>>make the Jews look bad! Even the Israel was a "Nazi plot." 
:>
:>>BTW, I just discovered that all the media moguls are all secret Nazis, posing 
:>>as Jews. They're all part of an elaborate antisemitic conspiracy too!
:>
:>>It's all clear now!
:>
:>I just saw a secret file tape of Gerald Levin, whom is now the boss of
:>the demoted goy Ted Turner, catch a Roman salute!  It's clear that the
:>Jews REALLY DON'T control the media, is just the work of racists to
:>make it APPEAR that way!!   You know, the big reverse conspiracy!
:>Media emperor Michael Eisner's real name is Kohl!  

I have secret information that proves that the NY Times is a KKK 
sponsored publication. I also discovered that Disney boss, Michael Eisner, 
isn't really a Jew, but someone who's real name is Bormann, the long lost son 
of Hitler aid, Martin Bormann.

They're all working for a "White America".

Their clever strategy is flood America with so much multi-cultural propaganda 
and to put so many innocent real Jews into positions of prominance, that 
everybody will become so fed-up that they will bring about a rebirth of the 
Third Reich here in America to clean-up the situation.

I'm sorry if I spilled the beans.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 10:35:51 PDT 1996
Article: 41381 of misc.activism.militia
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Subject: Re: note to the supremacist types
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In message <846191893$1615@atype.com> - e142857@teleport.com (Walter Ulrich) wr
ites:

:>Walden Books? Barnes & Noble? Hmmm, I suppose they could be owned
:>by Jews...but I've seen copies of the Talmud in both. It's not exactly a
:>hidden, esoteric work....

You saw all 33 volumes of the Talmud at Walden Books? Yea, RIGHT.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 10:35:52 PDT 1996
Article: 41383 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 13:33:17 GMT
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In message <845966062$6507@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mar
k T Pitcavage) writes:
:>Similarly, the fact that Von Brian keeps repeating his assertions about black 
:>IQ and capabilities will not get him anywhere.  Members of the newsgroup have 
:>demonstrated that they do not accept such generalizations on the basis of one's
:>race.  He can talk until he is blue in the face, but all it will get him are 
:>calluses on his fingertips.

The fact that you do not accept it, has absolutely no bearing on the 
legitimacy of IQ differences. We posted the facts and you all ran. Just like 
you did on Jewish influence in the media and Gun Control. You also ran from 
the Jewish connection to Communism.

I understand that though; with the media in the hands of the people we 
criticize, what do you expect? After all, you've had you head pumped-full of 
pro-Jewish and pro-liberal propaganda all your lives, so I guess it's too 
much to expect you to think for yourselves - even when confronted with 
documentation (reems of it). However, dispite any protestations to the 
contrary, the seed has been planted, and, although, I never expect you to 
give me any credit, you may someday accept that what I, and the others, have 
been saying is absolutely true. If we ever met face to face, you would 
likely avoid the issue, since you wouldn't want to admit that we were right. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 15:01:03 PDT 1996
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 13:18:16 GMT
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Subject: Re: Clinton's CIA - 100% Jewish
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In message <846113584$24319@atype.com> - rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846056922$16994@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>In a move which has shocked Patriots across America, Bill Clinton has 
:>>appointed Jews to the top four positions of the Central Intelligence
:>Agency:
:>>
:>>John Deutch - Director of CIA
:>>David Cohen - Director of Operations
:>>Nora Slotkin - Executive Director
:>>George Tenet - Deputy Director
:>>
:>>With Jews constituting just 3% of US population, I guess it's all just a 
:>>coincidence.
:>
:>Hey Ian if you are not an anti-semite than why the hell are worried about
:>stuff like this?  Sheesh.

You ought to be too. Look, you know damn well that 90% of Jews are very 
liberal. And do you think that the ADL and the heavily Jewish SPLC think much 
of your militias? Do you think that Deutch and his buddies aren't spying on 
patriots of every kind?

Be concerned.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 15:01:04 PDT 1996
Article: 41445 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 18:03:40 GMT
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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
Lines: 44


In message <846105484$23607@atype.com> - smaceach@polar.Bowdoin.EDU (Scott MacE
achern) writes:
:>
:>
:>sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
:>
:>>Nothing you say can contradict the rule that the WHITER a civilization
:>>is, the more ADVANCED it can become
:>[snip]
:>>However, the DARKER a people is , the poorer it
:>>is, the more overpopulated it is, the less progressive it is, the
:>>LOWER they will be intelligence, inventive ability
:>
:>Ohhh boy, albedo=advancement. Yup. Just remember, though, if that's
:>the case we get back to the question I've already posed: why aren't
:>Latvians better off than the Swiss? Moldovans than Spaniards? They're
:>whiter. Answer is, of course, that sneaky ol' factor History. Same one
:>to be invoked in Africa.
:>
:>> If this ISN'T true, you certainly haven't DISPROVED my position.  

There's no White country which isn't better-off than ANY Black country. 
Disprove that!


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 15:01:05 PDT 1996
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 17:48:05 GMT
Message-ID: <846265685$7355@atype.com>
Subject: Re: MIlitia Studies
Lines: 56


In message <846100090$22413@atype.com> - "j.p."  writes:
:>Wrong, wrong, wrong again.
:>You're ducking.  Where are the NA IQ scores?
:>
:>Just start with yourselves and your families, Ian, Brian, Bok, hmurdock,
:>etc.  That should be a good start base.  Just use your scores from
:>elementary school, no mail-order 'Test your Aryan IQ' version.  If you
:>don't even know them, you're coming from a very poor point of argument.

>From  high school records, mine is 119. That's not particularly high, but it 
does go to show that one does not have to be extremely smart to see through 
your crap.

However, I'll state my personal observation that most of the NA members I've 
met are college grads, with engineering and technical types seemingly 
predominating. However, that's just my opinion based upon personal 
experiences and, is, in no way, a scientific survey. Nonetheless, I estimate 
that the average IQ for all NA members is above average.

For example, the new editor for National Vanguard magazine is a Ph.D. in, I 
think, history.

Office Manager, Evelyn Hill, holds an advanced degree of some kind. I think 
in a medical area.

Of course, that's not to say that the National Alliance is somekind of 
egghead organization, although some other racialists may think of it in that 
way. There are many kinds of people in the NA. I know there's at least one 
professional symphony musician, several college professors, accountants, 
several engineers, computer programmers, business people, and a pharmicist. 
In other words, don't bad-mouth the NA too much, you never know; your medical 
doctor, fireman, or cop, just might be a member! I'll bet that prospect gives 
you the shivers! Ha ha!

We're in ALL professions and trades.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 18:07:28 PDT 1996
Article: 41453 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 19:48:15 GMT
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Subject: Re: note to the supremacist types
Lines: 32


In message <846182974$551@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>I am your third-worst nightmare, Kono is your second worst nightmare, and
:>the very thought of someone like Kriss makes you lay awake staring at the
:>ceiling and praying to whatever you pray to, that your masters never
:>actually force you to stand against us. 

Who's "Kono" and "Kriss"? Ha ha! And what's this "stand aginst us" crap. We 
aren't even trying, Arlin. If you and your goof-balls don't play fair, we 
might decide to really put the pressure on this newsgroup?

You already sound like a bunch of babies with soggy diapers.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 18:07:28 PDT 1996
Article: 41478 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 17:48:22 GMT
Message-ID: <846265702$7383@atype.com>
Subject: Re: MIlitia Studies
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In message <846094068$21558@atype.com> - Lissa Valerian  writes:
:>Those "after-market 'bolt-on's" I quoted ranged from 1865-1971.  Are you
:>saying that "liberal wacko's" added each and every one of those instances?
:>Well, I hate to burst your little bubble, but this country is VERY LIBERAL
:>(in the traditional sense of the word, not your 90's version)  In that it
:>is FORWARD reaching, and PROGRESSIVE, as opposed to your ANTIQUATED
:>backwards reaching, ideas, (i.e. traditional Conservativism)
:>
:>At least we have established that you are NOT a supporter of the
:>CONSTITUTIONAL MILITIA.
:>
:>
:>Article XIII.	- outlawed slavery (1865)
:>
:>Article XIV. 	- extended equal protection and due process of
:>		  law to ALL citizens. (1868)
:>
:>Article XV.  	- Gave right to vote to citizens of every
:>		  race/color, regardless of previous history
:>		  of slavery. (1870)

Forced on the South at gun-point. None would have been ratified without 
extreme coercion.


:>Article XIX. 	- Gave right to vote to citizens regardless of
:>		  gender. (1920)

That was a mistake in your case.


:>
:>Article XXIV.   - Gave right to vote to citizens regardless of
:>      		  'failure to pay tax' (1964)

A mindless error. Just another step along the path from a Republic to a 
mobocracy.


:>Article XXVI.   - Gave right to vote to citizens regardless of
:>		  age above 18. (1971)

The right to vote given to persons too young to know what they're doing.



Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 18:07:29 PDT 1996
Article: 41479 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 17:48:39 GMT
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Subject: Re: MIlitia Studies
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In message <846090413$20261@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>You need NEW material, brian - everything you've
:>put up so far has been debunked, so simply repeating it will only convince
:>people of your inability to defend yourselves.  How do you feel about
:>being so vulnerable?  Why do you think your superiors have left you
:>hanging like this?

Arlin, this nonsensical proposition is wearing thin. We gave you recent data 
- you ignored that, so why post more? You haven't refuted anything posted so 
far. I can't stop you from repeating your "No Difference in IQ" mantra, but 
you should, at least, know that your effectivesness diminishes each time you 
denegrate our evidence while not providing one shred to refute it other than 
your unsupported ramblings. You've "cried wolf" so many times, you can't be 
taken seriously, except by the most ignorant of your cult - that's about all 
of them. However, most others must certainly see you as a complete phony - 
a lot of noise, and no evidence.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Fri Oct 25 18:07:30 PDT 1996
Article: 41480 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 18:03:14 GMT
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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
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In message <846110957$24153@atype.com> - mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ma
rk T Pitcavage) writes:

:>(Hitting the ground laughing!!!!!!!!)  :0   Oh SURE!   Without White
:>>people I'm SURE the space program would have taken RIGHT OFF!!
:>
:>Yeah, it's not like "non-white" nations like China, Japan, and Israel don't 
:>have space programs.  Or that other "non-white" nations like India and Pakistan
:>could easily start ones.

All of which was bought, stolen, or adapted, from technology created by 
Whites. You just cannot admit the truth no matter what, can you?


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 26 00:19:33 PDT 1996
Article: 41490 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 0:18:14 GMT
Message-ID: <846289094$9641@atype.com>
Subject: Re: More Hatemongers and Technical Issues for Banning
Lines: 38


In message <846204506$2805@atype.com> - juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps) wr
ites:
:>
:>
:>
:>October 24, 1996.
:>
:>This posting should be considered an addition to the posting where I
:>called for the banning of off-topic hatemongers.
:>
:>There are a couple more I'd like banned, for the same reasons stated
:>in the main posting.
:>
:>  Bob
:>GEQR17C@prodigy.com (Leo Walsh)

Just one question, Sheldon, are you a Jew?


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 26 09:17:47 PDT 1996
Article: 41543 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 19:48:41 GMT
Message-ID: <846272921$8396@atype.com>
Subject: Re: POLAND?
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In message <845353208$23968@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845324320$22709@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
:>writes:
:>
:>>but dead is dead and not even remotely justifiable even by
:>>whimpering that someone has listed the wrong chemical formula in
:>recording
:>>the atrocity.
:>
:>you know, Wiz, it isn't so much that their excuses are nonsense, as it is
:>that they're such consistently shallow nonsense...have you noticed that
:>*none* of these nazoids have an ounce of original thought between them?

Is that your way of saying you lost? You've been saying that alot. Admit it, 
we wiped the floor with you on every issue - mainly because you don't know 
what you're talking about. All you can do is keep screaming "nazi", "commie", 
"scum", etc., etc., ad naseum. 

You're just like the liberals.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 26 09:17:48 PDT 1996
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 20:18:03 GMT
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Subject: Re: Look Over Your Shoulder
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In message <846096552$21881@atype.com> - pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasi
ecki) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845506116$1600@atype.com>,
:>Ian McKinney (mckinney@usaor.net) wrote:
:>: In message <845345886$23653@atype.com>
:>: bucquero@pilot.msu.edu (Bonnie Bucqueroux) writes:
:>
:>: :>And lastly:
:>: :>Is a country not a country if it has more than one race? 
:>
:>: No, it will be a mess and will not last. History clearly demonstrates
:>: that there has never been a successful multi-racial society. Why
:>: continue in insane attempts to re-invent the wheel?
:>
:>    There's a reason why that hasn't happened- lack of cultural
:>receptivity.  Frankly, people are just too closed-minded in this regard.
:>In other words, there could certainly be a successful society of this
:>nature, but it all rests on the shoulders of the inhabitants.

Well, at least you admitted that multi-racial societies don't work. So why 
keep fighting human nature? What you're really advocating is just 
what we have had from the governmet for the past 30 years: social 
engineering. That's what would be necessary to enforce anything approaching 
the politically correct dream of a "race-blind" world. Tremendous amounts of 
politically correct coercion will be needed for that, but who wants to live 
under such conditions?

I'll bet that 90% of my antagonists would rather live in a country where 
people are free to discriminate against others for race, economics, or any 
other reason, than to live in a politically correct world where every word, 
thought, and action is deemed legitimate and permissible based upon whether 
it's approved by Big Brother. No, I rather think you would be beating on our 
door begging to be let in, given that alternative.


As much as you may not like it, the truth is that a truly free man can 
discriminate in his personal life as he wishes - a slave can't discriminate 
against anything and only does what he's told, and thinks what he's allowed 
to think. I suppose you support that?

Separate - it's better for everyone. The only ones wouldn't like separation 
are the leeches among the other races, who can't get along without Whitey's 
steady subsidies.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 26 09:17:49 PDT 1996
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 20:18:36 GMT
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Subject: Re: Which "KEN" is NOT among us...?
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In message <846094025$21479@atype.com> - rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K.
 Gandhi) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846010113$11917@atype.com>, Dave Kuehne  wrote:
:>
:>[snip]
:>
:>> The only thing "crystal clear" here is your ignorance.
:>> Your pacifism is sickeneing.
:>
:>[snip]
:>
:>Ok, Išll bite. Why is pacifism sickening ?

Pacifism is a coward's way. They'll take advantage of the benefits made 
available by other's fights, but they, themselves, won't fight for anything. 
It's a degenerate, unnatural, philosophy.

All life on Earth struggles and, when necessary, fights for it's 
respective survival. Any life that refuses to do that, ceases to really be 
legitimate or honorable.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 26 10:11:24 PDT 1996
Article: 41575 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 0:18:36 GMT
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Subject: Re: Ian McKinney's Posts - 100% Racist
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In message <846096531$21855@atype.com> - BurningMan@The.Door (The Burning Man) 
writes:
:>
:>
:>
:>You don't fool us for a second. We know who you are and
:>what you do.
:>

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sat Oct 26 10:11:26 PDT 1996
Article: 41577 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 0:33:41 GMT
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Subject: Re: They need a label
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In message <846190093$1452@atype.com> - Richard Kann  writes

:>
:>How about JERKS.
:>
:>Rick

Just another of your truth-avoiding techniques. It won't work either, since 
if they did, you wouldn't be constantly trying to think-up another angle to 
the same old ploy. You might, at least, get more respect, if you just 
admitted like a man (no offense to Ann), that you lost the debate. 

The only thing you can do now is slander us.

Weak, very weak.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:25:57 PST 1996
Article: 41714 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 2:33:31 GMT
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Subject: Re: note to the supremacist types
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In message <846279183$8922@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:

:>>:>Walden Books? Barnes & Noble? Hmmm, I suppose they could be owned
:>>:>by Jews...but I've seen copies of the Talmud in both. It's not exactly
:>a
:>>:>hidden, esoteric work....
:>>
:>>You saw all 33 volumes of the Talmud at Walden Books? Yea, RIGHT.
:>
:>Funny thing, I checked in Borders Books today, and By golly they do have
:>all of it!

Well congratulations! Maybe you ought to read it, and guess what - then you'd 
know what you're talking about for a change.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:25:58 PST 1996
Article: 41764 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 1:18:09 GMT
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Subject: Re: Clinton's CIA - 100% Jewish
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In message <846272082$8258@atype.com> - e_p@unlinfo.unl.edu (Ed. Pearlstein) wr
ites:
:>
:>
:>
:>In article <846056922$16994@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
:>
:>> In a move which has shocked Patriots across America, Bill Clinton has 
:> appointed Jews to the top four positions of the Central Intelligence Agency:
:> John Deutch - Director of CIA
:> David Cohen - Director of Operations
:> Nora Slotkin - Executive Director
:>>George Tenet - Deputy Director
:>
:>      What if they were all Presbyterians or Southern Baptists, or 
:>members of the NRA?  Would that be worthy of such a note?
:>  

Well, they're not. Nonetheless, I'd wager there are far more Baptists and 
Presbyterians in America than Jews, and that makes the fact that they ARE 
Jews even more unusual.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:25:59 PST 1996
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 13:18:05 GMT
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Subject: Re: Mr. Scott bravely turns and runs away...
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In message <846271984$8218@atype.com> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay 
OBC) writes:

Now, what we have here is McOiVey's attempt to use cleverly worded questions 
to obsfucate that Jews have a very disproportionate control in the media. 
Let's just take a look at some of "questions".


:>   How many newspaper publishers are there in North America?
:>   How many are privately held?
:>   How many of those are held by Jewish investors?
:>   How many are traded on the exchange?
:>   How many are held by controlling Jewish investors?
:>   How large is their market share?

What McVey is trying make you think is that there are thousands of 
independant newspapers around the country, and all have equal weight in the 
arena of public opinion. Everyone knows that's bunk. Let's look at the three 
major opinion-molding newspapers in America:

THE NY TIMES is the obvious establishment flagship newspaper and is owned and 
controlled by the Sulzberger family. The NY Times also owns the Boston Globe. 
The NY Times News Service transmits news to 506 other papers. The Times also 
owns twelve magazines, seven radio and TV stations, a cable-TV system, and 
three book publishing companies. 

THE WASHINGTON POST is run by Catherine Meyer Graham and her son David. 
Catherine Graham is the principal stockholder. The Post also owns Newsweek 
magazine. In a joint venture with the NY Times, the Post publishes the 
INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE, the most widely read English language daily in 
the world.

WALL STREET JOURNAL is America's largest circulation paper. It is owned by 
the Dow Jones & Company. The Chairman and CEO of DJC is Peter Kahn. DJC also 
publishes 24 other dailies, and the weekly fanacial paper, Barrons.

Two lesser, but also well-known newspapers - NY DAILY NEWS and the VILLAGE 
VOICE are both completely Jewish-owned by Mort Zuckerman and Leonard Stern 
respectively.


McVey, you know damn well that you're hiding the truth. I don't have the time 
to list ALL the Jewish controlled media. I'm not backing-down by no means, 
it's just that the list is so long! However, for all those who might think 
otherwise, go to http://www.natvan.com and look at the thoroughly 
documented report "Who Rules America." After reading that, come back and tell 
me with a straight face that I'm not telling the truth. McVey is a 
propagandist for the Jewish Establishment, people like him are traditionally 
referred to in Jewish circles as "Shabbez Goyim" - someone who does the work 
of the Jews. 

Rest absolutely assured, "Who Rules America" will make a complete joke of 
his silly questions.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:00 PST 1996
Article: 41816 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 14:03:03 GMT
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Subject: Re: Ban the Hatemongers, Really
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In message <846295402$10071@atype.com> - diana@onramp.net writes:
:>
:>
:>juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps) wrote:
:>>Re:  Ban the Hatemongers, Really.
:>
:>>Dear Mr. Hollingsworth:
:>
:>>The flood of hatemongering posts and followups is overwhelming this
:>>newsgroup.  There were over 300 posts today alone.
:>>Misc.activism.militia  is becoming a recruiting ground for the
:>>purveyors of hate.  It violates the charter of misc.activism.militia
:>>as the postings are off topic.  The hatemongers have their own
:>>newsgroup and should post their and not here.
:>
:>>There is a concerted effort by hate groups to push their agenda in
:>>this  newsgroup.  This effort can  overwhelm the strict letter of the
:>>banning procedure which was designed for individuals and not organized
:>>groups.  In determining the policies you will follow in terms of
:>>voting and majorities I ask you to remember this.  

Now wait a minute! Not long ago Arlin Adams bragged that many individual 
Militia groups had "thousands of members", while he routinely denegrated 
as a "tiny minority." What you are actually admitting is that, overall, not 
only have we shown you to be a bunch of leftist-egoists in the disguise of 
"Patriots", and destroyed your idiotical arguments, but you are also 
admitting that even pound-for-pound we're far more formatible than you. 

Oh yea, and you want to "shoot it out" with the Feds! Ha ha! 

Despite all that you and the others have said, IMHO, your weakness is 
evidence of a philosophical problem - you share no substantiative and inately 
held political philosophy. Your's is more a "do your own thing" hippie-type 
and vague, self-centered egoism based largely upon the doctrines of 
liberalism. Also, most of you are intellectual cowards just like the liberals 
you are. While we posted cited documentation, substantial evidence, and sound 
reasoning, you nuts resonded with insults, nonsensical blather, and 
lackluster attempts at clever quips - anyone viewing these exchanges can see 
that. Any real Patriot would be embarrassed at your actions.


:>>These hatemongers will not get tired and leave voluntarily. They are
:>>political activists, in for the long haul. If we don't get rid of them
:>>now, we'll never get rid of them. And unfortunatley, every response to
:>>them is another opportunity for their views to be heard.

Your political/philosophical ship is sinking. Even the great Arlin Adams 
can't plug all your leaks. He only makes a prestense of doing that, while 
your bilge continues to flood.


:>>As for free speech, they ALREADY  have their own  newsgroups. I just
:>>don't want them and their choice of topics taking over this one.

Yea, and we have to put-up with the same crap from our enemies, but we don't 
whine - we take care of it by ripping apart their nonsense. We don't need 
moderated NGs to protect us. Jeez, McVey has set-up shop on our NG - he makes 
a great punching bag. He's very entertaining!


:>>I have considered banning these hatemongers for some time.  I had
:>>hoped that the procedure would have been started by those who support
:>>the militia movement and not one who opposes it. I believed that a
:>>banning call from one who supports the militia movement would gain
:>>easier support.

In other words, rally even more whiners.



:>>I also didn't want to see the banning process turned against me or
:>>those who have similar views. I realize that those who oppose may
:>>'statist' views may take this opportunity to ban me.  

Hypocite!


:>>I hope that I haven't included the wrong people or excluded others.
:>>I've loaded back on my computer all 3000 postings available at my
:>>internet provider and sorted them by author. I looked for those who
:>>consistently spouted hatred AND weren't interested in the topic of the
:>>militia.

You mean your leftist militia. The real militia members agree with us.


:>>I hereby call for the maximum  banning possible of the following, no
:>>matter where and how  they  post for:
:>
:>>Kevin Alfred Strom  
:>>Ken P. 
:>>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>>sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>>brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) - this is Brian Smith again
:>>knbell@top.monad.net
:>>thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
:>>cutter001@aol.com (Cutter 001)

Yes, by all means, ban the the people you can't handle or refute, even with 
your many "thousands."

You are no Patriot, sir.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:01 PST 1996
Article: 41818 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 14:33:11 GMT
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Subject: Re: Communism is Jewish. (undeniable silliness here)
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In message <846350290$13725@atype.com> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay
 OBC) writes:
:>
:>
:>>No they awaiting orders from that great anti-semite V.I. Stalin.
:>
:>Actually, ZOG has now tranferred control of the world to all
:>of those Jewish guys in Havana and Bejing...
:>
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Hey, McOiVey, you're right. I did find "undeniable silliness" under this 
heading. 

At least you are now warning everybody before they read your posts- that's a 
real public service!


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Wizard, you've got the most adorable eyes" - Morris Dees, SPLC

"This Militia thing is the best idea I ever had" - Gus Hall, Communist Party USA
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:01 PST 1996
Article: 41819 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 14:48:13 GMT
Message-ID: <846427693$17806@atype.com>
Subject: Ken McVay - ADL, SWC, SPLC Agent
Lines: 31


Only interested in the 'holocaust' huh? What are you doing here, Kenny? 
We haven't discussed the it much at all here. What brings you out from under 
your rock? I guess the boys on white nationalism were working you over 
pretty well and you wanted to play in a safer street. Be prepared to get run 
over then.

Or maybe you're on another assignment from Morris "Sleaze" Dees, "Dis-Honest" 
Abe Foxman, or Rabbi Cooper again? Getting some info for their another one 
of their hot and hysterical "reports"? 

Tell us which one it is. Inquiring minds want to know.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Wizard, you've got the most adorable eyes" - Morris Dees, SPLC

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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:02 PST 1996
Article: 41822 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 14:33:03 GMT
Message-ID: <846426783$17748@atype.com>
Subject: Re: stupid little nazi tricks
Lines: 45


In message <846350374$13869@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846316140$11463@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Arlin, I thought it was IMPOSSIBLE to cross-post threads from
:>>misc.activism.militia!  For crying out loud Arlin, read the m.a.m.
:>>FAQ!!   Since hanging this newsgroup is your favorite past-time, you
:>>would think you would have read the FAQ by now!
:>
:>It's difficult, but you've been hacking message headers...sorry brian, but
:>we've seen your teenazi tricks played before...not that I minded taking
:>that swipe at annazi on alt.politics.whitepower, either...as you should
:>have figured out by now, I really enjoy showing you people for the
:>ignoramii that you are..

Arlin, you're suffering from delusions. You have never shown-up anyone as 
ignorant, except in your own feverish mind. You have been destroyed by 
evidence and documentation in every debate your foolishly entered. You 
only show symptoms of a mind infected with liberalism: believing your own
hallucinations.

See a psychologist, and maybe a few hundred hours of intense therapy can 
straighten you out.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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COMMENTS ON THE "MARXIST MILITIA" BY NOTED PERSONS::

"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Wizard, you've got the most adorable eyes" - Morris Dees, SPLC

"This Militia thing is the best idea I ever had" - Gus Hall, Communist Party USA
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:03 PST 1996
Article: 41831 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 17:48:03 GMT
Message-ID: <846438483$18675@atype.com>
Subject: Re: Ban the Hatemongers, Really
Lines: 68


In message <846371890$15810@atype.com> - juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps) w
rites:
:>There are at least 3 newsgroups where the exact same arguments are
:>going back forth between McKinney & Co.  and those who oppose them. 
:>A search of my newsgroup list includes:
:>
:>alt.politics.nationalism.white
:>alt.politics.white-power
:>alt.revisionism 

I can say with complete honesty that I have not cross-posted any of my 
messages. I haven't posted to nationalism.white for a while.

:>to express their dissatisfaction and may not have definitively ruled
:>out the hatemongering views of McKinney & Company.   I don't know
:>where you would find more of these people than on
:>misc.activism.militia.

Hatemongering???????? Where have I advocated "hate". Tell me where I have 
advocated violence of any kind, except that I might like to give a few of 
your most obnoxious liberal idiots a boot in the butt (figuratively speaking).



:>They're political activists and they're here for the long haul. They
:>don't care if they get any responses other than an opportunity to pull
:>out another canned article that's been posted 20 times before.

"Canned articles" which you have failed miserably to refute. I have now 
figured-out why you hate it when we post a complete article: it shows that 
you have no ammunition to shoot it down. All you can do is keep moaning about 
"commies", "nazis", etc. Every time I post an article, you goofs bail-out.

Sissies!


:>This newsgroup has 2 choices, ban them or fight a neverending  battle
:>with them. And in fighting this battle, you will find that you're no
:>longer discussing the militia.  

We're discussing the militia, lunk-head, and, most importantly, the false 
liberal propaganda which gets promoted within it. All my posts are related to 
America, patriotism, and anti-government philosophy. It's your chief-fools, 
Arlin, Wizard, etc., who keep dragging the debates through the gutter of 
vulgar personal attacks.

Sheldon, stop whining. You're embarrassing your buddies.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Wizard, you've got the most adorable eyes" - Morris Dees, SPLC

"This Militia thing is the best idea I ever had" - Gus Hall, Communist Party USA
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:04 PST 1996
Article: 41849 of misc.activism.militia
Approved: militia-request@atype.com (1e4d0e96735f40dd4f675676ab7be40c)
From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 17:33:43 GMT
Message-ID: <846437623$18624@atype.com>
Subject: What's New on the Nizkor Defector
Lines: 26


McVay, have you sorted-out that Niziod who we hear started to believe some of 
the "propaganda" he or she was assigned to debunk? Did you have the Mossad 
take care of them, or did you send them to the ADL for reprogramming?

Maybe you took care of it in-house by using the old commie brainwashing 
technique of "unmasking."

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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COMMENTS ON THE "MARXIST MILITIA" BY NOTED PERSONS::

"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Wizard, you've got the most adorable eyes" - Morris Dees, SPLC

"This Militia thing is the best idea I ever had" - Gus Hall, Communist Party USA
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:05 PST 1996
Article: 41851 of misc.activism.militia
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References: <845911093$29242@atype.com>
From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 18:03:03 GMT
Message-ID: <846439383$18727@atype.com>
Subject: Re: Affidavit of Gordon Kahl Now Online
Lines: 37


In message <845964197$6357@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845911093$29242@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>> These clowns probably think the Feds did a noble act by incinerating
:>him.
:>
:>yo, ian - they did you guys a favor by cleaning up part of the shallow end
:>of your already limited gene pool...I'd have thought you'd be grateful....

Kahl was a good man. And he knew the score. He wouldn't want anything to do 
with the likes of most of you - he was a Racial Patriot.

Don't any of you denigrate him by claiming him as your own.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Wizard, you've got the most adorable eyes" - Morris Dees, SPLC

"This Militia thing is the best idea I ever had" - Gus Hall, Communist Party USA
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 12:26:05 PST 1996
Article: 41856 of misc.activism.militia
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 17:19:58 GMT
Message-ID: <846436798$18536@atype.com>
Subject: Re: No Peace with Nazis (was: Re: Race and the Militia)
Lines: 93


In message <846371007$15752@atype.com> - hmcom@eskimo.com (company account) wri
tes:
:>>I can see from this newsgroup, however, that my Media-acquired
:>>opinions were wrong. There are really only 2 types of militias: 
:>>multiracial, and White Nationalist. ( The White supremacists don't
:>>need a militia because they are already in power.)
:>
:>Well, as another poster said there is only one militia.  The militia
:>is all armed citizens who could be called into service in time of
:>emergency.  The militia movement consist of *many* different groups
:>with various extra motives.  So it is not so simple as you might
:>think.
:>
:>The Nazis like communist are merely opportunists who have always looked
:>for the golden road to power in America.  They will attempt through
:>deception (more clever than the idiots who have been posting to MAM
:>lately) to use the militia movement for their own purposes.  This does
:>not mean necessarily that they want to "lead the charge up capitol
:>hill" or some such..  Merely that they will attempt to benefit either
:>from outside or within.  

In none of my posts have I claimed to be a "Nazi". By that I mean, someone 
who wants to ressurect in America Hitler's economic and social policies of 
1930 Germany. Having said that, I also do not accept the politically correct, 
Hollywood, version of Germany's National Socialism. That movement was 
particular to a certain era and nation, and anyone who thinks a carbon 
copy of such a political movement can succeed in America is wishing for the 
impossible. However, that does not mean that everything the National 
Socialists believed is wrong. Much of what they adopted was borrowed from 
other nations, including America.

Nonetheless, there are many ideas which are denounced as Nazism, which 
actually pre-dated the advent of Hitler's National Socialism and have been 
recognized by many societies - white and non-white. Because Hitler also 
understood these things to be only natural does not diminish their legitimacy.

The idea of racial integrity was a widely accepted concept not only here 
in America but in most other nations, and still lives on. Honestly, I have to 
say that the majority of White folks I've met are opposed to race-mixing. And 
large numbers of Americans are concerned about the social ramifications of 
essentially unimpeded non-white immigration. These things seem to me to be 
only natural. Even many non-whites reject race-mixing. This idea was not 
invented by Hitler. The Japanese, for example, greatly restrict their 
immigration, and tightly control even the number of other Asians allowed into 
Japan. And Mexico certainly does not follow the politically correct model 
either. You'll find no "affirmative action" for non-Mexicans living in 
Mexico. Neither does Mexico feel compelled to educate or subsidize illegal 
immigrants. In fact, nearly every nation on Earth practices immigration 
control. Economics certainly plays a role, but there is still the recognition 
that immigration impacts the national culture, usually in a negative manner.
Having lived in several multi-cultural areas, I have to agree with that 
overall position.

The bottom line remains: 

The majority of Americans want immigration drastically reduced, as 
evidenced by numerous opinion polls. But the government does virtually 
nothing to stop it.

The majority of Americans, when given a option, really don't prefer racial 
integration, as evidenced by the low rate of inter-marriage and what's 
called "White Flight" from non-white areas. But the government literally 
forces it on us.

Now, for opposing these things, I'm attacked and insulted.

And finally, for the unforgivable crime of wanting my race to live-on, I am 
also attacked. These attacks are, IMO, the most obvious sign of the liberal 
mind-set of most of those supposed "patriots" on MAM.

Such are the conditions within the politically correct domain of the Marxist 
Militia.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 14:18:33 PST 1996
Article: 41871 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 19:48:03 GMT
Message-ID: <846445683$19247@atype.com>
Subject: Here's "Who Rules America". McVey's Claims Destroyed
Lines: 568


WHO RULES AMERICA?

The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken 

By the Research Staff of National Vanguard Magazine, PO Box 330, Hillsboro, 
West Virginia 24946 USA. FAX# 304-653-4690  http://www.natvan.com

There is no greater power in the world today than that wielded by the 
manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no 
conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely 
approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass news and 
entertainment media. 

Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in 
America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It is the 
power which shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or 
old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated. 

The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to 
think about that image. Essentially everything we know -- or think we know -- 
about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to 
us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our 
television. 

It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our 
newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of history-distorting TV 
"docudramas" which characterizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the 
media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in 
their management of both the news and the entertainment which they present to 
us. 

For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized 
and which are played down, the reporter's choice of words, tone of voice, and 
facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustrations -- 
all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which 
we interpret what we see or hear. 

On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining 
doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing 
carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and 
opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful 
people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes 
should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people 
or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having 
the other TV characters react to them in the Politically Correct way. 

               Molding American Minds

For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and socially 
sought after by other characters, as will a "take charge" Black scholar or 
businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual, or a poor but honest and 
hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist -- 
that is, any racially conscious White person who looks askance at 
miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America -- is 
portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other 
characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated by 
firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun 
nut," in fact, has become a familiar stereotype on TV shows. 

The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an unhealthy 
portion, distinguishes between these fictional situations and reality only 
with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the televised actions, statements, 
and attitudes of TV actors much as he does to his own peers in real life. For 
alltoo many Americans the real world has been replaced by the false reality 
of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to 
conform responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some 
ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom he is writing, and 
disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions of viewers 
toward conformity with his own views. 

And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news, whether 
televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form of thought control 
is that even when we realize that entertainment or news is biased, the media 
masters still are able to manipulate most of us. This is because they not 
only slant what they present, but they establish tacit boundaries and ground 
rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion. 

As an example, consider the media treatment of Middle East news. Some editors 
or commentators are slavishly pro-Israel in their every utterance, while 
others seem nearly neutral. No one, however, dares suggest that the U.S. 
government is backing the wrong side in the Arab-Jewish conflict and that it 
served Jewish interests rather than American interests to send U.S. forces to 
cripple Iraq, Israel's principal rival in the Middle East. Thus, a spectrum 
of permissible opinion, from pro-Israel to nearly neutral, is established. 

Another example is the media treatment of South Africa. Some commentators 
seem almost dispassionate in reporting the news of racial strife from that 
country, while in the voices of other commentators there is open hatred of 
the White South Africans and unrestrained admiration for the Blacks. All of 
the media spokesmen without exception, however, take the Black side; they 
differ only in the degree of their partisanship. 

Because there are differences in degree, however, most Americans fail to 
realize that they are being manipulated. Even the citizen who complains about 
"managed news" falls into the trap of thinking that because he is presented 
with an apparent spectrum of opinion he can escape the thought controllers' 
influence by believing the editor or commentator of his choice. It's a "heads 
I win, tails you lose" situation. Every point on the permissible spectrum of 
public opinion is acceptable to the media masters -- and no impermissible 
fact or viewpoint is allowed any exposure at all, if they can prevent it. 

The control of the opinion-molding media is monolithic. All of the controlled 
media -- television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books, motion pictures -- 
speak with a single voice, each reinforcing the other. Despite the appearance 
of variety, there is no real dissent, no alternative source of facts or 
ideasaccessible to the great mass of people which might allow them to form 
opinions at odds with those of the media masters. They are presented with a 
single view of the world -- a world in which every voice proclaims the 
equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, 
the wickedness of attempting to halt a flood of non-White aliens from pouring 
across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, 
the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a 
"pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous one. It is a 
view of the world designed by the media masters to suit their own ends -- and 
the pressure to conform to that view is overwhelming. People adapt their 
opinions to it, vote in accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it. 

                  Television Broadcasting

And who are these all-powerful masters of the media? 

For a partial answer, consider television broadcasting, which undoubtedly has 
become the most powerful medium for determining the way Americans think and 
behave. 

Not counting certain specialized cable news systems, virtually all national 
and international TV news broadcast in the United States is gathered, filmed, 
edited, and put on the air by just three companies: American Broadcasting 
Companies (ABC), Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS), and NationalBroadcasting 
Company (NBC). Most televised entertainment programs viewed by Americans are 
broadcast by the same three networks. Each of these three has been under the 
absolute control of a single man over a long enough period of time -- ranging 
>from  32 years to 55 years -- for him to staff the corporation at every level 
with officers of his choosing and thus to place his imprint finally, totally, 
and indelibly upon it. 

In each case that man has been a Jew. 

Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities Communications, Inc., a New 
York-based media conglomerate, the chairman of the board of directors and 
chief executive officer (CEO) of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a 
Jew. He had headed the network since he became president of the predecessor 
corporation, American Broadcasting-Paramount Theaters, Inc., in 1953. (The 
name was changed to American Broadcasting Companies, Inc., in 1965.) In an 
interview published in the April 1, 1985, issue of Newsweek, Goldenson 
boasted, "I built this company [ABC] from scratch." 

Under the 1985 merger terms, Goldenson became chairman of the executive 
committee of the new company, Capital Cities/ABC, Inc. 

Although the chairman and CEO of Capital Cities now is Thomas Murphy, a 
Gentile, he has made no move to replace the men at ABC who served Goldenson, 
and the network retains its Jewish character today. 

CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more than half a 
century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia, Paley left the family cigar 
business in 1928, when he was 27, to buy United Independent Broadcasters for 
$500,000. He renamed it Columbia Broadcasting System and made himself 
president. He became chairman of the board in 1946 and held that post until 
his partial retirement in 1983. 

When independent broadcaster Ted Turner, a Gentile, made a bid to buy CBS in 
1985, there was panic in media boardrooms across the nation. Turner had made 
a fortune in advertising and then had built a successful cable-TV news 
network, CNN. Although Turner employed a number of Jewsin key executive 
positions in CNN and had never taken public positions contrary to Jewish 
interests, he is a man with a large ego and a strong personality and was 
regarded by Paley and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon 
who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish 
newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his 
former boss held a personal dislike for Jews.

To block Turner's bid CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, 
hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a "friendly" 
takeover of the company, and since 1986 Tisch has been the chairman and CEO 
of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. 

NBC was formerly a subsidiary of Radio Corporation of America (RCA), which 
was controlled for 40 years, beginning in 1930, by David Sarnoff, another 
Jewish immigrant from Russia. When Sarnoff died in 1970 his son Robert took 
over. In 1986 General Electric Co. merged with RCA, and now NBC is a wholly 
owned subsidiary of General Electric. 

There has been no move by top G-E management to change the Jewish "profile" 
of NBC or to replace key Jewish personnel. To the contrary, new Jewish 
executives have been added: examples are Steve Friedman, hired in May 1990 as 
executive producer of NBC Nightly News and succeeded in January 1993 by Jeff 
Zuker. 

                   Entertainment Industry

The extraordinary concentration of Jews in the TV industry certainly explains 
much of the bias of television news. As important as the control of 
television news programming is, however, television entertainment is even 
more decisive in determining the way Americans think. Tens of millions of 
Americans, especially younger ones, never watch network TV news broadcasts, 
but instead keep their sets tuned to the entertainment programs. And it is in 
the entertainment field that Jews have maintained the firmest control. 

The man in charge of the television entertainment division at CBS is Jeff 
Sagansky. At ABC the entertainment division is run by two men: Ted Harbert 
handles the business end of the division, and Stuart Bloomberg is in charge 
of entertainment programming. Brandon Tartikoff became president of 
NBCEntertainment in 1980 and held that post for a decade, until he was 
promoted to chairman in 1990. When he left NBC in July 1991 to take the post 
of chairman at Paramount Pictures the new president of NBC Entertainment, 
Warren Littlefield, assumed control. 

Sagansky, Bloomberg, and Littlefield pick the programs their networks will 
broadcast: the game shows, the interview shows, the situation comedies, the 
historical "docudramas," the family series, the adventure series, the 
specials. They tell the program developers what they want to see in the 
programs.They veto anything they don't like. They determine the slant each 
program will have. They decide just how hard to push various propaganda 
themes in their network programming: interracial marriage, homosexuality, 
feminism, gun control, "Holocaust" re-enactments, the menace of "White 
extremism." 

Only one in 36 U.S. citizens (2.8 per cent) is a Jew. But nearly all of the 
men who shape young Americans' concept of reality, of good and evil, of 
permissible and impermissible behavior are Jews. In particular, Sagansky and 
Bloomberg are Jews. So is Tartikoff. Littlefield is the only Gentile who has 
had a significant role in TV entertainment programming in recent years. This 
Jewish control of the American entertainment industry and its influence on 
the American psyche goes far beyond television programming for the major 
networks; it also includes virtually everything which comes out of 
Hollywood's film studios. The May 1990 issue of American Film magazine listed 
the top 10 (in terms of gross revenues in 1989) U.S. entertainmentcompanies 
and their CEOs and ranked them by size. They were, in descending order, Time 
Warner Communications (Steven J. Ross), Walt Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner), 
NBC (Robert C. Wright), Paramount Communications (Martin S. Davis), CBS 
(Laurence A. Tisch), 20th Century Fox FilmCorp. (Barry Diller), Columbia 
Pictures Entertainment (Victor A. Kaufman), Viacom Inc. (Sumner Redstone), 
Capital Cities/ABC (Thomas S. Murphy), and MCA Inc. (Lew Wasserman). Of the 
10 top entertainment CEOs listed above, eight -- Ross, Eisner, Davis, Tisch, 
Diller, Kaufman, Redstone, and Wasserman -- are Jews. Only two of the top-10 
entertainment companies have Gentile CEOs -- NBC and Capital Cities/ABC -- 
and one of those -- Capital Cities/ABC -- has a Jew in charge of its 
entertainment division. 

There have been a few personnel changes since the 1989 survey, of course. 
When Japan's Sony Corporation of America bought Columbia Pictures in October 
1989, Victor Kaufman was replaced by Peter Guber, also a Jew. Guber's 
overseer is Sony's vice-chairman Michael P. Schulhof, who arranged the 
takeover; he is a Jew too. In 1991 MCA was bought by Matsushita, one of 
Sony's Japanese rivals, but Wasserman remains in his old post. As a general 
rule, the Japanese are motivated solely by economic interests in their buying 
of American media, and they leave the propaganda to the Jews. More often than 
not, in fact, Jews are the brokers of such Japanese media buyouts. Just as 
Schulhof handled the Sony takeover of Columbia,the Matsushita-MCA deal was 
arranged by Jewish media magnate Michael Ovitz and Texas-Jewish 
wheeler-dealer Robert Strauss, later appointed as George Bush's ambassador to 
Moscow. Steven J. Ross died in December 1992, and now the top post at Time 
Warner is held by CEO (and chairman) Gerald Levin, also a Jew. 

Barry Diller left Fox in February 1992. Rupert Murdoch, owner of News 
Corporation, Fox's parent company, took a hand in the management of Fox for a 
few months, but in November 1992 Peter Chernin, formerly head of the Fox 
Entertainment division, moved up to the top job as chairman of 20th Century 
Fox Films Corp. Chernin is a Jew. Under him, as president of Fox 
Entertainment Group since November 1992, is Sandy Grushow, also a Jew. 

And Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein) has gained much prominence since 
1989, as two of his Viacom subsidiaries, MTV and Nickelodeon, have acquired 
larger and larger shares of the juvenile television audience. Redstone, who 
actually owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom ($3 billion),is the largest 
single purveyor of race-mixing propaganda to White teenagers and sub-teens in 
America and Europe. MTV pumps its racially mixed rock and rap videos into 210 
million homes in 71 countries and is the dominant cultural influence on White 
teenagers around the world. Nickelodeon has by far the largest share of the 
four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and also is expanding rapidly into 
Europe; most of its shows do not yet display the blatant degeneracy which is 
MTV's trademark, but Redstone is gradually nudging the fare presented to his 
kiddie viewers toward the same poison purveyed by MTV. 

It is difficult to believe that such an overwhelming degree of control of the 
entertainment industry by Jews came about without a deliberate, concerted 
effort on their part. 

                      Radio Broadcasting

The "big three" TV networks -- ABC, CBS, and NBC -- not only have a virtual 
monopoly on commercial network television broadcasting in the United States; 
they account for most of commercial network radio broadcasting as well -- or 
they did until recently. For many years their only significant competitor in 
the latter arena, Mutual Broadcasting System (MBS), with 941 affiliated radio 
stations (but no TV stations) across the country, was headed by Martin 
Rubenstein, a Jew. In 1985 Norman J. Pattiz, also a Jew, took over MBS as 
chairman and CEO. Two years later Pattiz, through his holding company, 
Westwood One, Inc., bought the NBC Radio Network from General Electric. The 
MBS and NBC stations togethermake Pattiz the number-two radio broadcaster in 
the nation, behind only Capital Cities/ABC. The current MBS vice-president in 
charge of news broadcasting, Ron Nessen, who formerly held the position of 
White House press secretary under Gerald Ford, is also a Jew. 

                        Newspapers

After television, daily newspapers are the most influential mass medium in 
America. Sixty-three million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. 
These millions are divided among some 1,640 different publications. One might 
conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would 
provide a safeguard against minority control and distortion. Alas, such is 
not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less 
representation of majority interests than a casual observer would think. 

Only 412 (25 per cent) of the 1,640 publications are independently owned; the 
rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only 121 of the total number have 
circulations of more than 100,000. Only a handful are large enough to 
maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the 
restmust depend on these few for all of their national and international 
news. 

In only 54 cities in America are there more than one daily newspaper, and 
competition is frequently nominal even among them, as between morning and 
afternoon editions under the same ownership. Examples of this are the 
Huntsville, Alabama, morning News and afternoon Times; the Birmingham, 
Alabama, morning Post Herald and afternoon News; the Mobile, Alabama, morning 
Register and afternoon Press; the Springfield, Massachusetts, morning Union, 
afternoon News, and Sunday-only Republican; the Syracuse, New York, morning 
Post-Standard and afternoon Herald-Journal -- all owned by the Jewish 
Newhouse brothers through their holding company, Advance Publications. 

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of real 
competition among America's daily newspapers; it also illustrates the 
insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on 
which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 31 daily newspapers, 
including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain 
Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; the 
nation's largest trade book publishing conglomerate, Random House, with all 
its subsidiaries; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television 
broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the 
country's largest cable networks; the Sunday supplement Parade,with a 
circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen major 
magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity 
Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other 
magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group  

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an 
immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at the age of 84, he bequeathed 
media holdings worth an estimated $1.3 billion to his two sons, Samuel and 
Donald. With a number of further acquisitions, the net worth of Advance 
Publications has grown to more than $8 billion today. 

The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was in large 
degree made possible by the fact that newspapers are not supported by their 
subscribers, but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue -- not the 
small change collected from a newspaper's readers -- that largely pays the 
editor's salary and yields the owner's profit. 

Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over 
another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its 
competitor dies. Since the beginning of this century, when Jewish mercantile 
power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady 
rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a 
steady decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers -- primarily as 
a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants. 

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and 
management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that 
their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish 
likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere 
thathe who pays the piper calls the tune. 

                  Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on 
the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish 
control over America's newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use 
the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better 
illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most prestigious and 
influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the 
Washington Post. These three, dominating America's financial and political 
capitals, are the newspapers which set the trends and the guidelines for 
nearly all the others. They are the ones which decide what is news and what 
isn't, at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the 
others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in Jewish hands. 

The New York Times is the unofficial social, fashion, entertainment, 
political, and cultural guide of the nation. It tells America's "smart set" 
which books to buy and which films to see; which opinions are in style at the 
moment; which politicians, educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and 
businessmen are the real comers. And for a few decades in the last century it 
was a genuinely American newspaper. 

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry J. Raymond and 
George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones's 
estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-grandson, Arthur 
Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and CEO. The executive 
editor is Max Frankel, and the managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld. Both are 
Jews. 

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other 
newspapers, including the Boston Globe, purchased in June 1993 for $1.1 
billion; twelve magazines, including McCall's and Family Circle with 
circulations of more than 5 million each; seven radio and TV broadcasting 
stations; a cable-TV system; and three book publishing companies. The New 
York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs 
>from  the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and 
magazines. Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by 
establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington, has an 
inside track on news involving the Federal government. 

The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was 
established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John 
R. McLean, and later inherited by Edward B. McLean. In June 1933, however, at 
the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. 
It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier 
and former partner of the infamous Bernard Baruch, industry czar in America 
during the First World War. 

The Washington Post is now run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer's 
daughter. She is the principal stockholder and the board chairman of the 
Washington Post Co. In 1979 she appointed her son Donald publisher of the 
paper. He now also holds the posts of president and CEO of the Washington 
Post Co. 

The Washington Post Co. has a number of other media holdings in newspapers, 
television, and magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly 
newsmagazine, Newsweek. The Wall Street Journal, which sells 2.1 million 
copies each weekday, is the nation's largest-circulation daily newspaper. It 
is owned by Dow Jones & Co., Inc., a New York corporation which also 
publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid 
Barron's, among other things. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. 
Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of 
the Wall Street Journal. 

New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York 
Times and the Wall Street Journal. In January 1993 the New York Daily News 
was bought from the estate of the late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell 
(born Ludvik Hoch) by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. The 
Village Voice is the personal property of Leonard Stern, the billionaire 
Jewish owner of the Hartz Mountain pet supply firm. The New York Post, 
suffering from severe financial problems, has been bouncing back and forth 
for a year among a succession of especially sleazy Jewish billionaires -- 
Peter Kalikow, Steven Hoffenberg, Abraham Hirshfeld -- and Australian 
newspaper mogul Rupert Murdoch. 

                    Other Mass Media

The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for television, 
radio, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only 
three of any note published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. 
News & World Report. 

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a subsidiary 
of Time Warner Communications, the new media conglomerate formed by the 1989 
merger of Time Inc. with Warner Communications. The CEO of Time Warner 
Communications, as mentioned above, is Gerald Levin, a Jew. 

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Co., under 
the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.2 million. 

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.3 million, is owned 
and published by the aforementioned Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken 
the position of editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also 
owns the Atlantic Monthly and New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News. 

Or consider books. There are literally thousands of publishers in the United 
States, and among these thousands are many with little or no direct Jewish 
control; there are some which actually dare to publish books not approved by 
the Jewish Establishment. But all of the latter publishers are very small,and 
their books seldom reach the great mass of Americans who buy their reading 
material from drugstore news racks or from the chain bookstores. 

Among the giant publishing conglomerates, however, the situation is quite 
kosher. Three of the six largest book publishers in the United States, 
according to Publishers Weekly, are owned or controlled by Jews. The three 
are first-place Random House (with its many subsidiaries, including Crown 
Publishing Group), third-place Simon & Schuster, and sixth-place Time Warner 
Trade Group (including Warner Books and Little, Brown). 

As pointed out above, the Newhouse family owns Random House, and Gerald Levin 
is CEO of Time Warner Communications, of which Time Warner Trade Group is a 
division. Simon & Schuster is a subsidiary of Paramount Communications, Inc. 
(formerly Gulf and Western, Inc.), of whom thechairman and CEO is Martin S. 
Davis, as already noted. 

Another publisher of special significance is Western Publishing. Although it 
ranks only 13th in size among all U.S. publishers, it ranks first among 
publishers of children's books, with more than 50 per cent of the market. Its 
chairman and CEO is Richard Bernstein, a Jew. 

Those are the facts of media control in America. Anyone willing to spend a 
few hours in a large library looking into current editions of yearbooks on 
the radio and television industries and into directories of newspapers and 
magazines; into registers of corporations and their officers, such as 
thosepublished by Standard and Poors and by Dun and Bradstreet; and into 
standard biographical reference works can verify their accuracy. They are 
undeniable, and when confronted with them Jewish spokesmen customarily will 
use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner isn't a Jew!" they will announce 
triumphantly, as if that settled the issue. If pressed further they will 
accuse the confronter of "anti-Semitism" for even raising the subject. It is 
fear of this accusation which keeps many persons silent who know the facts. 

But we must not remain silent on this most important of issues! The Jewish 
control of the American mass media is the single most important fact of life, 
not just in America, but in the whole world today. There is nothing -- 
plague, famine, economic collapse, even nuclear war -- more dangerous to the 
future of our people. 

By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media we are 
doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our political 
system and virtual control of our government; we also are giving them control 
of the minds and souls of our children, whose attitudes and ideas are shaped 
more by Jewish television and Jewish films than by parents, schools, or any 
other influence. 

The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken the lead in persuading a 
whole generation that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable way of life; 
that there is nothing at all wrong with White women dating or marrying Black 
men, or with White men marrying Asiatic women; that all races areinherently 
equal in ability and character -- except that the character of the White race 
is suspect because of a history of oppressing other races; and that any 
effort by Whites at racial self-preservation is reprehensible. 

                    Our Responsibility

We must oppose the further spreading of this poison among our people, and we 
must break the power of those who are spreading it. It would be intolerable 
for such power to be in the hands of any alien minority, with values and 
interests different from our own. But to permit the Jews, with their 
3,000-year history of nation-wrecking, from ancient Egypt to Russia, to hold 
such power over us is tantamount to race suicide. Indeed, the fact that so 
many White Americans today are so filled with a sense of racial guilt and 
self-hatred that they actively seek the death of their own race is a 
deliberate consequence of Jewish media control. 

Once we have absorbed and understood the fact of Jewish media control, it is 
our inescapable responsibility to do whatever is necessary to break that 
control. We must shrink from nothing in combatting this evil power which has 
fastened its deadly grip on our people and is injecting its lethal poison 
into their minds and souls. If we fail to destroy it, it certainly will 
destroy our race. Let us begin now to acquire knowledge and take action 
toward this necessary end. 

(Let me take these last few moments to urge you to get the book that is 
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On 09/19/1996 Arlin Adams said:

In article <843118408$10314@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
writes:

>>When children are typically restricted in such areas it is by
>>libertarian-like contracts, covenants, or other non-law based methods
>>derived from folks who care of nothing but themselves.

>Okay Wiz - some questions then: should my mom, who's in her 70's, be
>forced to live in the same apartment complex with a bunch of rowdy college
>students?  Should I, as a single person, be forced to live in an apartment
>complex with a large number of families with small children?  Different
>people have different standards regarding noise levels, privacy, and so
>on...yet by your standard you could easily end up living in the midst of
>people with whom you have nothing in common, including standards...is that
>reasonable?

Now, here we have Arlin supporting restrictive convenants for old people, 
singles, etc. However, I wonder if he would support White people's right to 
have an all-White apartment or neighborhood? Evidently, if we follow the 
logic he used in the previous cases, he most certainly would. That is unless 
he's a total hypocrite!

I suspect, however, that he would insist on making exceptions for everything, 
except for people of different races to make exclusionary covenants based on 
race. Why, that just wouldn't be........ah.....LIBERAL!

Arlin, deep-down I think you really agree with us, but you just don't want to 
appear politically incorrect.

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Betting on Both Horses:American Conservatives and the Jews 

by Ian McKinney 

The conservative movement can basically be divided into two factions: paleo 
and neo. The paleo-conservatives consider themselves to be the true 
conservatives. For them, cultural and social issues generally take precedence 
over economics. And admittedly they hew much closer to what we might think of 
as traditional conservatism, which was represented in the past by such 
notables as Senator Robert Taft, and today by persons such as Pat Buchanan 
and certain leaders of conservative Christianity. They are what might be 
properly designated as America's right wing. 

The neo-conservatives, on the other hand, are regarded by the paleos as the 
new or "liberal" conservatives. Many of the latter are former liberals 
interested in preserving the status quo of post-New Deal America, or they are 
those who abide by liberal doctrines in all fields except economics. 
Neo-conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and William Bennett 
are representative of this faction. For anyone who takes the time to listen 
to these people it is obvious that economics is usually at the forefront of 
their thinking. It is the filter through which they judge most issues. 

The differences between the neos and the paleos become more marked the closer 
one approaches the touchstone issue of race. Neo-conservatives are for the 
most part in total agreement with the liberal left on such things as racial 
differences, race-mixing, and immigration. For them there are no significant 
intellectual or behavioral differences between Blacks and Whites. And 
although they sometimes decry multiculturalism, their opposition isbased 
mostly upon the premise that multiculturalism causes dissension among the 
races. Ideally, to their minds, the greatest social progress will occur when 
all racial awareness is extinguished. Rush Limbaugh was rubbing our faces in 
multiracialism when he held his marriage ceremony at the racially mixed 
household of Black Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and his White wife. 

The neo-cons have no aversion to interracial marriages or non-White 
immigration. For them what created America and made it great had nothing 
whatsoever to do with the race of its founders and majority population. For 
them, and for Reds and liberals also, the fact that America was founded by 
White people and based upon White European traditions and culture is just a 
coincidence and certainly nothing we should waste time dwelling on today. The 
neocons insist that America's success was due to the "free enterprise system" 
and the absence of an overt class system. 

The paleos, most of whom are scared to death of being called "racists," often 
stress the idea that culture is the determining force in all societies, but 
when pushed to the wall they will probably admit that race had something to 
do with creation of much that was good in America. Occasionally a few paleos 
are very forthright in their ideas on racial matters. For example, many of 
them reject the policies that spewed forth from the Warren Supreme Court 
which invalidated hundreds of long-standing laws protecting White racial 
integrity, and a few of them will even admit this. 

Dr. Samuel Francis is a noted paleo-conservative spokesman and former editor 
for the conservative Washington Times. In a recent issue of the American 
Renaissance newsletter Francis wrote: 

     "Whites must correct the political and legal order to end the political 
power for non-white minorities and their white anti-white allies. This 
political effort would involve a radical dismantling of all affirmative 
action and civil rights legislation as well as a good part of the Federal 
superstructure that entrenches minority power." 

Francis is probably one of the most outspoken figures in the 
paleo-conservative movement when it comes to racial matters. It is 
significant to note that he has been reported to be a close associate of 
presidential candidate Pat Buchanan and one of Buchanan's "idea men." 

As a consequence of the above article, the Washington Times bowed to the 
screams of the Politically Correct censors and promptly fired Dr. Francis. 
But don't think for a minute that those making a din were exclusively the 
screaming meemies on the liberal left! No, a number of prominent 
neo-conservatives were in the forefront of the crusade to destroy Francis. 
Prominent among these neo-cons was Linda Chavez, non-White immigration 
apologist and president of the Center for Equal Opportunity, who was bitterly 
outraged that Francis would have the nerve to utter such Politically 
Incorrect thoughts. Chavez helped spearhead the campaign to destroy him. Now 
mind you, Francis' essay was not published in the newspaper of which he was 
an editor, but a small circulation newsletter. Still, Chavez and others like 
her simply cannot tolerate anyone expressing what she contemptuously referred 
to as "filth" even in such a relatively obscure venue. 

In Dr. Francis' rebuttal to her attacks he describes the mind-set of the 
crypto-liberal neo-cons. He wrote: 

     "That mentality (neo-conservatism) is so narrowly constricted to its own 
assumptions, values, and beliefs that it finds it impossible to give any 
benefit of the doubt to those who dissent from it . . . . Most conservatives 
are familiar with this mentality, if not from firsthand observation, then at 
least from the results of its blustering course through history in such 
windbags as Cromwell, Robespierre, John Brown, and the Abolitionists. Chavez 
and her brood are well met in their company." 

Now as far as he goes, Francis and the publications that support him would 
appear to be courageous spokesmen for White people, and I suppose in their 
minds they believe themselves to be just that. They obviously are courageous. 
However, there is still one topic on which they maintain a "hands off" 
position -- the Jewish question. 

In the article, "Whither the Populist Wave," that appeared in the July 1996 
issue of a paleo publication, Chronicles, the Jewish author, Paul Gottfried, 
revealed a relatively unknown fact concerning presidential candidate Patrick 
Buchanan. In an ostensible defense of Buchanan he wrote: 

     "Despite his abrasive remarks about AIPAC, (a branch of the powerful 
Israeli lobby) in 1991, Buchanan is not an anti-Semite. About half of his 
inner circle, which includes a Hasidic rabbi, is Jewish; and his praise for 
the present Israeli government is even more extravagant than was his 
criticism of the former Likud regime." 

In 1993, it was disclosed that approximately 57% of Bill Clinton's 
appointments were Jewish. Considering that Jews make up only about 3% of the 
total U.S. population, that figure seemed truly astounding. However shocking 
that might be, it is much more surprising and disturbing when a man like Pat 
Buchanan, thought by many to be a defender of Western civilization if not the 
White race, has Jews comprise 50 percent of, not just his occasional 
advisors, acquaintances, or campaign workers, but of his "inner circle" -- 
his confidential advisors, speech writers, and political consultants. Now, 
many aware people might not be surprised if they were told that Buchanan had 
a Jew or two among his associates. And one might even convince oneself 
thatBuchanan thought such a thing wise so as to deflect charges of 
anti-Semitism. But we're not talking about one or two Jews. We are talking 
about the disconcerting discovery that Jews constitute 50 percent of his 
closest advisors. 

First, as much as we may sympathize with Buchanan's independence from the New 
World Order gang and the Jewish establishment, we must remember that he is 
not a racial patriot. He was one of the first Republicans to denounce David 
Duke for his racial opinions when Duke was garnering huge support among White 
Louisianans. Buchanan was a functionary of the Nixon administration when that 
administration was bussing little White children into ghetto hells, and we 
have no evidence that he used his position to do anything about it. 

Assuming that Gottfried is not exaggerating, this revelation may actually be 
good news in a way. For decades the Jews have rarely failed to attack and 
suppress any candidate that espoused anything remotely resembling nationalism 
and especially one that was tinged with White racial undertones. What this 
revelation of Jewish penetration into Buchanan's inner circle really tells us 
is that these ideas -- political and economic nationalism -- are ideas whose 
time has come, and the Jews are very concerned. They are concerned enough to 
infiltrate the staffs of some of the most prominent proponents of these 
movements. 

Now, there are those that will say to me: Can't you accept that there are at 
least some Jews not engaging in or supporting activities which are 
detrimental to America and the White race? Yes, I can accept that. 

There are Jews who are not anti-White crusaders, destructive media moguls, or 
Marxist subversives. I know Jews who don't support many of the destructive 
activities of organized Jewry. Jews, especially non-influential ones, live in 
many of the same neighborhoods that we do, and they have also become victims 
of the non-White violence that organized Jewry has unceasingly fostered. I 
know Jews who deplore non-White immigration and racial mixing. But I am not 
here to make excuses for the Jews. 

But let's not fool ourselves: If a few Jews denounce these things, its not 
because their goal is to preserve the White race. Perhaps there is a growing 
awareness among some Jews that an America dominated by non-Whites might not 
bow in veneration to the "Chosen People." Non-White domination might bring 
about conditions far worse for the Jews than anything they experienced in 
Europe or America. Recall especially the numerous anti-Jewish pronouncements 
made in recent years by some of Louis Farrakhan's lieutenants. Also, I 
suspect they realize that the growing number of Asians might represent a 
group more difficult to deal with than Whites. It is interesting to note that 
Jews have made few significant inroads in Asian nations. 

Given these circumstances, should it surprise anyone that a few Jews are 
making their way into what they see as "safe" nationalist publications such 
as Chronicles, American Renaissance, and others? But when I see large 
percentages of Jews prominent in such publications alarm bells start 
going-off in my head. This indicates that there is more afoot than just a few 
conservative Jews looking for cover amidst the multi-racial chaos now 
permeating American society. It makes one suspect there's a concerted effort 
by certain Jews to prevent any backlash against themselves for all the 
anti-White activities engaged in by organized Jewry for the past fifty years 
and more. 

If these conservative Jews were really sincere and really wanted to fight for 
the preservation of America, then their energies would best be spent 
denouncing the activities of organized Jewry. But, as far as I know, none of 
these Jews in the paleo-conservative movement has uttered one peep against 
the anti-White activities of their fellow Jews. Not much is said by them with 
regard to the Jewish domination of the Marxist movement and the destruction 
it has wrought. Not one word in exposing the Holocaust myth and the White 
collective guilt encouraged by its promoters. And most important of all, no 
condemnation of the filth and anti-White subversion that have been and 
continue to be rammed into the public's mind by theJewish-controlled news and 
entertainment media. No, we haven't heard much of anything from these "Good 
Jews" on any of these important issues. Nonetheless, I have been recently 
informed that a Jewish speaker at a past American Renaissance conference, 
when cornered on this issue during a private conversation when the 
microphones were turned off, frankly admitted that organized Jewry has been a 
driving force behind a multitude of anti-White operations for many years. 
Despite this discrete private admission, the same rabbi has never seen fit to 
reveal publicly this important fact. 

In view of these Jews' recent claims of supporting the White racialist 
movement, one might certainly be excused for asking, what better work could 
these Jews engage in than enthusiastically exposing the destructive chicanery 
of the Jewish power structure? After all, who could attack a Jew as a "Nazi" 
or anti-Semite? As far as I know, there has only been one Jew to do this with 
real energy and commitment, and his name was Benjamin H. Freedman. He exposed 
the activities of organized Jewry for all to see and spent his fortune in the 
effort; he held nothing back as he exposed their lies and subversion. He 
depleted his wealth and sacrificed his reputation exposing the anti-Western 
animus behind both Zionism and Communism, and heequally exposed the Jewish 
domination of the American media. While I assign considerable credibility to 
Benjamin Freedman, I hold in extreme suspicion those Jews now making their 
way into several branches of the "Patriotic" movement. Many of them seem to 
be devoting their efforts to smearing, threatening, and purging so-called 
"anti-Semites" from patriotic groups. Jews agitating around the fringes of 
Second Amendment and militia groups are vehement in their frantic 
denunciation of all "racists" and openly hope that the gun owners will begin 
shooting racists when the time is ripe. Beware, beware, beware. 

Most of the blame really falls at the feet of Patrick Buchanan and those like 
him for failing to recognize that Jewish interests do not coincide with our 
interests, and for allowing themselves to be co-opted while posing as the 
"Great White Hope." But as I said before, as deplorable as these things may 
appear, they show that the feeling of nationalism and the pressure of an 
awakening White people are making themselves felt in American politics. The 
Jewish power structure is still working feverishly to suppress it – but 
despite their best efforts this racial attitude continues to grow and is 
resonating in the minds of more and more White Americans. So now it is 
evidently the time for the Jews to use other measures, namely to corral 
potential White spokesman or political candidates and render them impotent; 
let them wail against the Blacks, mestizos, liberalism, affirmative action, 
etc., etc., just don't allow any criticism of God's Chosen. 

Even if such a Kosherized White movement succeeded (very unlikely since the 
Jewish fifth column would be in a good position to torpedo any impending 
successes) and re-established White America more or less as our forefathers 
intended it, the Jewish minority would still be a dangerous incubus on the 
body politic. Not because Jews espouse this particular creed or that -- 
creeds can be picked up and discarded with the ease with which one dons or 
doffs a mask. No, they cannot be allowed to lead us, simply because they are 
not us, because they regard themselves correctly as a different people, with 
their own interests. 

When Jewish interests conflict with ours, as they surely will, they will 
sacrifice us in an instant as they have proven time and time again throughout 
our people's history. 

So the next time you hear an ostensibly patriotic radio program or listen to 
a conservative candidate's message, see if you can detect a Kosher 
imprimatur. It may well be there. 



   This article is based on the American Dissident Voices program "Betting on 
Both Horses," aired on July 27, 1996. A cassette recording of this program is 
available for $12, including postage.

     For further information write to National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330, 
Hillsboro WV 24946 USA. E-mail address nvb@ix.netcom.com , http://www.natvan.com


Yours truly,
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 23:25:23 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: More Hatemongers and Technical Issues for Banning
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In message <846376391$16123@atype.com> - juggler@interlog.com (sheldon sheps) w
rites:
:>Could be.  Many members of white power groups are the children of
:>Jewish parents who are rebelling against them and go so far as to
:>change their names to sound more 'white'.  Let's see...McKinney...,
:>nah, couldn't be.    Unfortunately, for these groups, over a number of
:>years, some reconcile with their parents and begin to act as a 5th
:>Column within the white power movement.     

Rest assured I'm not Jewish. However, if, by some unimaginable fluke, I 
discovered that I was Jewish, I would still oppose the hypocrisy and lies of 
the Jewish establishment. I might become another Benjamin Freidman, now 
there's a model which all Jews should try to emulate. If they did, the Jews 
might be a real asset to America.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 23:25:24 PST 1996
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 22:18:15 GMT
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Subject: Re: St.Petersburg riot
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In message <846363832$15108@atype.com> - yeah.right@sure.com (piss off) writes:

:>
:>
:>Negroes riot in South St. Pete.Twenty eight buldings burned,scores of
:>police injured trying to protect the negros from themselves.In the
:>mean time bureaucrates from Washington pour into town to give federal
:>aid to the poor savages that burned down thier own neighborhood.Well
:>what else is new?White folks just don't get it yet,constantly
:>retreating with the help of the controlled media.
:>Stay in the south end of town Willie there is still a few good men
:>left to deal with you and your lawless breed,your end will come soon.
:>Ed White
:>

Yes, I remember when I lived in St. Pete, there was a White, female cop in a 
Black neighborhood on a "goodwill tour" - you know, one of those community 
our-reach programs - and a Black ran up behind her and tried to shoot her in 
the head. Luckily the gun misfired. The whole thing was on video, but the 
Blacks still wanted to riot. If I recall, every time I looked at 
the TV they had some over-weight Black preacher or, so-called, "community 
leader" threatening riots. They kept saying: "It's a powder keg."

Nothing but the standard fare in the Sunshine State.

Isn't multi-culturalism great!

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Sun Oct 27 23:25:24 PST 1996
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 23:03:09 GMT
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Subject: Re: National Alliance Complicity in OKC (was Re: What is a Nazi?)
Lines: 49


In message <846384624$16698@atype.com> - sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) writes
:
:>
:>
:>ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
:>
:>>[translation:  oooooh noooooo!  our masters told us never to talk about
:>>OKC!! and none of us peonazis have ever heard any of our masters discuss
:>>the problems arising because NOBODY AT NOTIONAL APPLIANCE HEADQUARTERS WAS
:>>SMART ENOUGH TO REALIZE THAT EVERY TIME THE BOMBERS CALLED BACK FOR MORE
:>>INSTRUCTIONS THE PHONE COMPANY KEPT A RECORD OF IT!!!]
:>
:>Excuse, me Arlin or Arleen or whoever you are.  Please provide proof
:>for your completely WRONG assertion that the National Alliance was
:>providing "instructions" to Timothy McVeigh or the Nichols brothers.
:>If the National Alliance had even the SLIGHTEST connection with the
:>bombing, they would be prosecuting the National Alliance, which they
:>are not.   

Forget it, Brian. These fools aren't interested in facts. The only 
phone evidence there is shows that McVeigh called the recorded message once. 
And you're right, if the Feds had ANY reason to think that Dr. P., or any 
other NA member, was connected with the OKC bombing, they'd all be in jail. 
That's the best proof anyone needs.

If anything the evidence points to an ATF set-up which went bad. A German 
intelligence officer by the name of Stassmeir was apparently working as an 
agent provacatuer for the ATF and was an associate of McVeigh, Nichols, and 
Fortier. BTW, none of these persons were connected to the NA.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 28 08:33:40 PST 1996
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Subject: Arlin Adams Confirms Racialist View
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On 1996/09/19 Arlin said:

>Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity,
>and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up of too many
>groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who
>are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which
>accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's
>citizens. 


I couldn't agree more. 

He openly admits we're too diverse, and conceeds that human nature is also an 
important factor. Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? "Diverse" 
societies never hold together in the long run, and Arlin obviously knows 
that. 

Race is the most obvious diversity in America, since it's so obvious. 
In the past our diversity consisted almost exclusively of language, religous, 
and cultural variants, but with all of us being White, these things could 
eventually be overcome. We had immigrants who were of various Christian 
sects, but they did share many common values. They spoke many languages, but 
they were basically all European languages. Culture, the same situation.

Today, the diversity issue is vastly complicated. We have many immigrants 
who are openly hostile to European culture and heritage. They can't 
identify with it at all. They have no religous or cultural relation to the 
West, and they are obviously very different physically, and I think, mentally 
- in their outlook on life.

The diversity of the past was managable over time - we had differences, 
but also many similarities. Today's diversity is unmanagable and will 
eventually destroy America. Arlin understands this, but when faced with 
someone like me who states my position as I do, he denies and attacks.

I'm convinced that many of the differences we've seen here are a result of 
too many people trying to be politically correct, and Arlin is one of 
those. He doesn't consider himself to be racial, but he basically agrees 
with the racialist view: diversity is dangerous.  


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 28 08:33:41 PST 1996
Article: 41977 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 1:48:21 GMT
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Subject: Arlin Adams Confirms Media "Indoctrination"
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On 1996/09/30 Arlin said:

>yep, combined with a constant indoctrination from the media intended to
>alienate urban denizens from both the positive uses of firearms *and* the
>very thought of self-defense...in case you hadn't noticed, Wiz, neither
>conservatives *nor* libertarians control the mainstream media...


Well, Arlin, if conservatives and libertarians don't control the media, who 
does? Liberals, Jewish liberals?

Now, since you admit that the media "indoctrinates" us, please consider this 
in regard to racial matters. If you do, you'll have to agree that on 
race issues, you are in perfect accordance with the media - which is, in your 
words, controlled by someone other than conservatives.

Why don't you admit you've been "indoctrinated."

There's a "Twelve-step Program" avalable to cure anyone of Media 
Indoctrination. You can get it at http://www.natvan.com.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 28 22:57:28 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Ban the Hatemongers, Really
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In message <846449295$20008@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846438483$18675@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>I can say with complete honesty that I have not cross-posted any of my 
:>>messages. I haven't posted to nationalism.white for a while.
:>
:>just how many newsgroups *have* you been chased out of by Ken and his
:>people, anyway?  and what did you say your shoe size was again, ianazi? 
:>where were you between 13-18 April 1995?

I haven't been "chased out" of any newsgroup, especially not by the Nizzies, 
and I will not leave this one until I'm ready - if ever!

(I assume when you say Ken, you mean former Gas Station Attendant, Ken McVay).

I guess working for the ADL and the other anti-American, Jewish organizations 
pays better than his former minimum wage gas station job.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Mon Oct 28 22:57:29 PST 1996
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In message <846274708$8556@atype.com> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay 
OBC) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846204518$2829@atype.com>, 
:>mckinney@usaor.net (William "Ian McKinney" Scott) wrote:
:>
:>>I just put out the facts. I can't help it if you don't like it.
:>
:>No, Mr. Scott, you do not. You offer lies, and you stomp your
:>little bootie while repeating "This is TRUE Because! I! Say!
:>So!," but you do not offer facts.
:>
:>You lied about the significance of a single Auschwitz death
:>book, for instance, just to name one. 
:>
:>The National Alliance Polka won't cut it, Mr. Scott.


Since when did take an interest in anything besides the 'holocaust', McOiVey?

BTW, my name isn't "William Scott" (but that's ok, you can think that). 
You're getting bad intelligence. If you're going to spread my name around, 
at least get it right - try Walter. (Just so you can keep your spy records 
straight).

You're a real twit. 

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 07:37:41 PST 1996
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 2:48:06 GMT
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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
Lines: 31


In message <846541092$25681@atype.com> - james denning  writes:
:>
:>
:>answer -those that puy their country ahead of themselves

Under normal conditions, you might be correct. Under multi-cultural 
conditions, a true Patriot places his loyalty on his racial brothers and 
sisters - excluding the racial renegades, those of course, only deserve 
scorn and total contempt.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 07:37:42 PST 1996
Article: 42387 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 4:18:41 GMT
Message-ID: <846649121$4860@atype.com>
Subject: Re: Ban the Hatemongers, Really
Lines: 43


In message <846542942$26098@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846489798$22750@atype.com>, mchapman@teleport.com (Mike
:>Chapman) writes:
:>
:>>ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
:>>>just how many newsgroups *have* you been chased out of by Ken and his
:>>>people, anyway?  and what did you say your shoe size was again, ianazi? 
:>>>where were you between 13-18 April 1995?
:>>
:>>
:>>If Nichols was a racist, why wasn't his wife white?  Why would McVeigh
:>>work with someone who had a mixed-race wife?
:>
:>opportunism, mike, opportunism...and Nichols is making an excellent fall
:>guy for them, which is exactly what they intended from the start.


Arlin, your insight into the OKC Bombing is pathetic. 

I guess you saw a post and just had to say something - no matter how stupid.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 07:37:43 PST 1996
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 4:49:27 GMT
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Subject: Re: The National Alliance Two-Step: Communism & Jews
Lines: 47


In message <846451984$20425@atype.com> - kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay
 OBC) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846363897$15235@atype.com>, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) responded
:>to Ann "Aryans are too stupid to think for themselves" Daltyn:
:>
:>>BTW just because this is what somebody reported in a document before
:>>Congress doesn't even make it accuarate concerning the real facts about
:>>the real power in the Soviet Union during that time.  Does this list how
:>>many Jews were in the Communist Party ruling elite--you know like the
:>>politburo, orgburo, the secretariat, or the even the top ministers.  The
:>>data mentioned here probably is referring to the toothless Soviet of
:>>deputies, but not where the real power existed.
:>
:>Perhaps you should ask Ms. Daltyn to explain the persecution
:>of Soviet Jewry by the Communists.... then you can observe the
:>National Alliance Two-Step in action.


If the commies are sooooo anti-Jewish, why are so many Jews communists?

I guess they're all just masochists, hum?


BTW, Kenny, does the ADL pay you by the word or message? (Just curious).


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 16:12:38 PST 1996
Article: 42435 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 14:48:03 GMT
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Subject: Re: Don't Re: Ban the Hatemongers, Really
Lines: 44


In message <846616685$2481@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes:

:>:>double standards? Like when you say you hate socialism and Marxism yet
:>spew the soviet commie line in every effort you make to present National
:>Alliance's philosophies? Or maybe the kind where you say you stand for
:>"White Pride", claim to be white, but have no evident pride? Or how about
:>when you argue that you want to empower whites and then go on to slam
:>whites and provide arguments that will disenfranchise most of them?  Or
:>when you say you believe in the Constitution as our founding fathers wrote
:>it yet reject Article V as they wrote it? I could cite many more examples,
:>but are those the kind of double standards you refer to?

Ok, you continue this nonsensical blathering about the NA being a "commie" 
organization. Your position is complete idiocy. In my five years, I have 
never met a NA member who favors gun-banning, destroying the free enterprise 
system, suppressing free speech, or advocating violating the original intent 
of the Constitution. In fact, it would probably be a great day in the minds 
of all NA meembers, and a great step forward to restoring America, IF the 
goverment would adhere to the Constitution in it's original intent and effect.

In contrast to my position, apparently, a significant number of you "militia" 
types are in full agreement with the Constitution-subverting decisions which 
were passed down by that communist-fronter, Earl Warren.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 16:12:39 PST 1996
Article: 42444 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 15:22:07 GMT
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Subject: Re: Spotlight on McKinney: No Nazis or Racists welcome here !
Lines: 66


In message <846449341$20082@atype.com> - BurningMan@The.Door (The Burning Man) 
writes:
:>
:>
:>
:>   McKinney, the militia folks here do not accept the major media
:>propaganda that continues to try (unsuccessfully) to connect
:>the Militia to White Supremecists and Nazis.
:>
:>At this point, one begins to question your motivations for the
:>rapid fire of racist, White Supremecist, neo-Nazi postings
:>into this UseNet group. Perhaps it isn't just a fun hobby of
:>yours.

First, I am most certainly not trying to "connect" the militias to any 
particular political/social philosophy. I am trying to provide information so 
that people like you can understand there's much more to this effort to 
destroy the Constitution, than just s few liberal getting their way. It's a 
long-range plan, and , whether you like it or not, the Jewish Establishment 
is a driving force behind it. The largest Jewish organizations, like the 
Anti-Defamation League (ADL), are constantly in the forefront of efforts to 
subvert the first and second amendments. They are constantly authoring 
their so-called "model statutes" and promoting these in Congress. Also, we 
constantly see prominant Jewish politicians like Feinstein, Boxer, and 
Schumer, proposing one gun-banning bill after another in Congress. In fact it 
would surprise me to find ONE Jewish politician who doesn't support gun 
control! Combine this political effort with the anti-gun media (also largely 
in Jewish hands), and we have total assualt on gun rights and Constitutional 
freedom. But dispite this obvious situation, you folks want to play games and 
pretend that the Jewish establishment is no different than any other.


Let's put it this way: You have Catholics and Protestants on both sides of 
the gun issue. You have White people on both sides, probably even the Blacks 
are divided on the issue. But nearly ALL Jews support gun control. Nearly all 
gun control bills can count on the support of all the Jewish politicians, the 
significant Jewish organizations, and the Jewish dominated major media.

Before you do it, don't bother to mention Norm Resnick or the JPFO. These 
few Jews represent a microscopic minority among Jews, and certainly not 
representative the opinion of any significant portion of the Jews.

This Jewish involvement in gun-grabbing is something that ALL Patriots must 
understand. And keep in mind that when the hysterical Sarah Brady is out 
demanding the passage of a new gun law, it's the ADL twisting the arms 
and pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 16:12:40 PST 1996
Article: 42473 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:03:54 GMT
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Subject: Arlin "The Hypocrite" Adams Issues Physical threats
Lines: 43


>In article <846540240$25596@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) writes:
>>
>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.
>
>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  While I
>understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, a number of our units who
>monitor this newsgroup do not, and they WILL take offense at your words.  I
>cannot say what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you would
>do well to not assume that they would limit themselves only to the internet.
> Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* warning you are likely to
>receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


So here we have it. After being unable to refute or slander us off MAM, Arlin 
now pulls his lastest cowardly move - physical intimidation.

Here we have the "Great Patriot" standing tall for lies, unjustice, and the 
un-American way!


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 16:12:41 PST 1996
Article: 42494 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 18:03:04 GMT
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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
Lines: 60


In message <846101964$22997@atype.com> - smaceach@polar.bowdoin.edu writes:
:>
:>
:>sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
:>
:>> All your anthropological contortions cannot refute the simple fact
:>> that Blacks cannot produce a single modern advanced civilization.  NOT
:>> ONE!
:>
:>So what? Neither did the Americans of Ben Franklin's time -- or Abraham
:>Lincoln's. Not a computer in the States at those times, far as I know.

Did ANYONE else have a computer?


:> Nor an airplane. 

I suppose the Blacks had airplanes first?


:>>Blacks are deficient in the civilizing talents and skills of the White man,
:>>and Blacks are also less intelligent.
:>
:>Oh dear, you really haven't been listening, have you?

Just the opposite. We're listening very closely to you, but not hearing 
anything of substance.


:>>Sorry, the historical record show the Black man is not simply
:>>a White man with Black skin!
:>
:>Is this the same arcane historical record that has Darwin publishing in
:>the eighteenth century...? Face it, you wouldn't know an historical source
:>if you tripped over one.

You're really grasping at straws now. If the best refutation you can come-up 
with consists of a typo made many days ago, then you're in bad shape. Do you 
think anyone's impressed? I doubt it.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 16:12:41 PST 1996
Article: 42495 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:33:40 GMT
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Subject: Re: Don't Re: Ban the Hatemongers, Really
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In message <846651917$5606@atype.com> - "Hummer" 
 writes:
:>
:>
:>     Please don't forget my earlier vote in favor of the ban.  Once the
:>nazi crowd got to the point of regularly replying to one another while
:>ignoring all refutations of their post, 



Hummer (what a handle!), you people have refuted NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
While I and others have provided extensive documentation, sound reasoning, 
and honesty, you and your friends have responded with nothing of substance. 
Even with the assistance of the paid ADL hachet-man, Ken McVay, and lately, 
the ego-maniacal Milton Kleim, you have not produced one iota of legitiment 
evidence to disprove any of the following points:

-That Jews are disproportionately behind the gun control effort.

-That Jews disproportionately control the mainstream information and 
entertainment media.

-That the Founding Fathers were not in favor of a multi-racial America.

-That races are unequal in intelligence

-That Jews were disproportionately behind Communism.

I don't care what kind of additional slander, insult and empty rhetoric you 
care to spew forth. The fact remains that these things are incontrovertibly 
true and you have done nothing to prove otherwise.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 18:08:24 PST 1996
Article: 42497 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 17:48:03 GMT
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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
Lines: 48


In message <846650887$5106@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) 
writes:

:>
:>
:>In article <846643686$4400@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Under multi-cultural conditions, a true Patriot places his loyalty 
:>>on his racial brothers and sisters - excluding the racial renegades, 
:>>those of course, only deserve scorn and total contempt.
:>
:>Is this why David Irving took protection from the Nation of Islam people
:>in Oakland, I(v)an? Or why Brian Smith discusses the (Inter) NATIONAL
:>(commie) ALLIANCE's relationships with "several Black nationalists"?
:>
:>Or under your definition would the (Inter) NATIONAL (commie) ALLIANCE be
:>classified as "racial renegades"?


This is a perfect example of racial separatists working together for a common 
goal: peaceful separation of races. (Oh, I get it now; you want us to 
associate with Blacks, but NOT THOSE KIND OF BLACKS!) Ha ha ha ha!

I would have to say in honesty, that I have more in common with a Black 
separtist than with a race-mixing, White renegade. At least the Black 
separatist has normal instincts and morality - I can respect that in ANY 
person, while the race-mixer is an embarrassment to all healthy persons 
- regardless of their race, and to nature herself.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Wed Oct 30 18:08:25 PST 1996
Article: 42520 of misc.activism.militia
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 20:48:05 GMT
Message-ID: <846708485$9851@atype.com>
Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
Lines: 45


In message <846654484$5987@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846643686$4400@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Under normal conditions, you might be correct. Under multi-cultural 
:>>conditions, a true Patriot places his loyalty on his racial brothers and 
:>>sisters - excluding the racial renegades, those of course, only deserve 
:>>scorn and total contempt.
:>
:>[translation:  the notional appliance doesn't have any normal people in it
:>- we screen them out right away!]


Well, I guess in your mind a racial renegade is a normal person, while a 
person who has any sense of racial loyalty at all is abnormal.

You just turned-off a lot of people, Arlin. I noticed, even before I 
became involved in racial politics, that most people - of all races - have at 
least SOME sense of racial loyalty. In my whole life I've met very few White 
people who look favorably upon interracial marriage. Many are disgusted by 
it. That's an instinctual manifestation of racial loyalty - the kind Nature 
puts into normal people.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 08:22:31 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Ban the Hatemongers, Really
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In message <846536585$24896@atype.com> - pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) writes
:
:>
:>
:>In article <846524901$23997@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
:>writes:
:>
:>> You are a known Marxist Socialist type. 
:>
:>Be a bit more accurate, I'm a left-leaning paleo-liberal. However, that is
:>a philosphy that predates Marx or socialism and evolves directly from the
:>same ideals that led to the United States and its Constitution, namely
:>individual rights and some central structure as needed "... in order to
:>form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility,
:>provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure
:>the Blessings of Liberty..." The fact that modern liberalism needs a bit
:>of clean up in implementation and elimination of a few rascals that have
:>falsely taken the title does not change the core beliefs.

Paleo-liberal and "liberal", I'll say are different to a significant degree. 
However, today, we're not dealing with paleo-liberalism. We're dealing with 
basically a Bolshevik mentality that operates under the guise of liberalism. 
A homogenious society can tolerate a certain amount of paleo-liberalism. I 
say that because I think that the "Golden Mean", as one well-know Patriot 
called it, is preferrable to fascism on one extreme and anarchy on the other. 
Maximum progress seems to take place when people have the most freedom, but 
that freedom must be prevented from becoming destructive. However, my concept 
of "freedom" differs from the egoistic, self-centered, kind that most 
leftists, and in a different way, many so-called "conservatives" expouse. 

However, what's the end result of any political system? I maintain that NO 
political system exists merely as an end in itself, but is the vehicle by 
which a particular people progress and attain higher and more complex states 
of existance. That was occurring in America before we fought the "war to make 
the world safe for Bolshevism" - World War 2. Now before you begin to 
solely blame Hitler for that tragedy, remember that even if Hitler had been 
allowed to have his way, for better or worse, that war would have been 
localized to Central Europe and Russia. Germany was at no time a threat to 
America, and could not be. If you take the time to read about Hitler's war 
aims, you'll see that Hitler's main objectives were three-fold: resolve 
inequalities forced on Germany by the Versailles Treay, eliminate Bolshevism 
>from  threatening Europe, and relocating the Jews to the East or to some other 
suitable place (Madagascar or Palestine).

The net result of Germany's defeat by the forces allied with Soviet Russia, 
was a legitimizing of Bolshevik social/political doctrines, while the 
traditional Western European doctrines were dealt a near deadly blow. 
Hence, we had following that war an upswing of communist activity all over 
the West. Certainly, communists had been active in the 1930's, but that had 
more to do with the unemployment situation and had less with philosophy. 
After WWII, this country enjoyed unusual prosperity and communism waned 
quickly among workers. But, parrallel to that, we saw a rise of Marxist 
thinking among the intellectual class - college professors, philosophers, 
writers, media, etc. The communists knew that an out-right communist 
revolution was highly unlikely, so they sought to infiltrate American 
institutions - The Long March. Part of that March, involved attaching 
themselves to the liberals and the Democratic Party.

You say that America was based upon liberalism, paleo-liberalism that is, 
and you may have a point, since much of this kind thought was a reaction 
against European royal despots. And, of course, it was also better suited to 
the wide open frontier which America was at that time. However, true 
paleo-liberalism, as expressed by Jefferson, Adams, and others, differs 
greatly from the "liberalism" of today. This is why I have tried to make the 
point that the Founding Fathers were not in accordance with what passes today 
as "liberalism." The phrase "all men are created equal" wasn't a bad idea 
amongst a homogenious population. (Let's forget for the time being that 
gaining French sympathy and aid against the British was at least partially 
responsible for the insertion of that wording). However, even if one takes 
that at face value, it hardy justifies the intrusion into our daily affairs 
that occurs today. In a legal sense, even in a multi-racial society, one 
might argue that in the realm of interaction with government equality is 
probably fair. However, I reject the theory when enforced on individual 
interactions such as selling or renting property, restrictive convenants, and 
any other practice engaged in by individual persons. I really don't want to 
see a legal system where Blacks recieve longer jail sentences just because 
their Black, but, on the other hand, if I own a property, the government 
should have no say in who I chose to sell or rent that property to. That's 
where the problem lies, when government starts interferring in my freedom to 
do what I want in affairs which ought not concern government.

This is where modern liberalism is in diametric opposition to the 
paleo-liberalism of the Founding Fathers.


:>An interesting example of Democratic Socialism
:>is Sweden, a place noted for both relative freedoms and other things,
:>though with a rather erratic economy. Of course Sweden is also not known
:>for being on the best terms with your beloved soviet-style commie groups
:>and has been forced to institute a number of national defensive programs
:>against them. 

As I mentioned in the last paragraph, this can be dealt with in a relatively 
homogenious country such as you're describing.


:>And finally that bring us to -your- form, national or totalitarian
:>neo-"socialism" such as the former Soviet Union practiced. This is not
:>true socialism -or- true communism, but it is actually what folks think of
:>when they say "commie." Now I've proven umpteen times that National
:>Alliance in fact shares nearly all the beliefs of that system while they
:>hold very few relating to -our- system in the United States or even to
:>Sweden's system. Thus I won't bother repeating that proof yet again but
:>you may look it up and respond to it if you wish since you clearly must
:>know how to use DejaNews queries.

Germany's National Socialism will not work in America. Even Hitler stated in 
the 1930's that his NS was not for export. But as much as you like to poke 
fun at us and call us "commies", you know that what I'm talking about is not 
communism. The "socialism" in National Socialism, is not the same as what 
most people understand as socialism. Generally, the term is easier to 
understand if we reverse it: Social Nationalism. In other words, nationalism 
based on biology. Actually, social nationalism is the most fundemental form 
of government known and has really been the basis of all normal governments, 
more or less. Getting hung-up on what happened in Germany really distorts the 
whole topic. The fact remains that social nationalism pre-dated Hitler, and, 
at risk of really confusing the issue, it actually has no set political 
structure. Social or racial nationalism can actually be almost any form of 
government. It's the idea of family-race-nation that's important. It's 
impossible to classify it as facist, because one could have facism in a 
multi-racial country, while it would be impossible to have a multi-racial 
country operating by social nationalist ideas. You could also have 
international facism, but not international social nationalism.

I believe that America was, to a large degree, social nationalist until the 
mid-20th century. All that has changed since WWII with the infiltration of 
modern liberalism/Marxism into our government and institutions. Now, instead 
of progress and advancement, we see more and more decline. We lost our sense 
of true morality; we lost our sense of social nationalism. We substituted the 
pathology of modern liberalism.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 08:22:32 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Communism is Jewish. (undeniable evidence here)
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In message <846277398$8734@atype.com> - rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <846223518$4635@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
:>writes:
:>
:>>Communism is a Jewish creation from top to bottom.  There ican beno
:>>disputing that!   The proof is all there in black and white.
:>>
:>>Brian Smith
:>
:>I think Brian was member of Stalin's Politburo also.
:>

I think you had a dispute over whether Beria was a Jew:

"Beria, the new addition to the Council of People's Commissars of Russia,
like many other recent proteges of the Kaganovich family, is Jewish.  The
increasing Jewish character of the Bolshevik regime is said to explain it's
growing anti-German measures."  

Chicago Tribune, January 5, 1939, by Correspondent Donald Day at Riga, Latvia.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 08:22:33 PST 1996
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QUESTION: What does a unemployed, middle-age, hippie, gas station attendant, 
do when no one will hire him and he's running out of cash? 

ANSWER: Be just like Ken McVay. Read a few books on the 'holocaust' and 
prostitute yourself to the Jewish Establishment as a Internet "hate" fighter.


There's nothing worse than a traitor, except one who takes money for it.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 08:22:34 PST 1996
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 10:03:03 GMT
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Subject: Now Mike Issues A Death Threat
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More Death Threats From the Freedom-Loving Marxist Militia:

[Via private email, of course]

>Hey, Nazi turd McKinney--
>
>Arlin wasn't trying to threaten you, he was just trying to warn a
>treasonous rat about the concept of exterminators.  Now if it was me, well
>I might directly threaten you, if I didn't have something else in mind
>already.
>
>-- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR


Well, once again we see Free Speech subjected to death threats by the boys 
who claim to be the vanguards og Constitutional Freedom. What a laugh! While 
accusing ME of being a "commie", of wanting to commit violence, etc., 
etc.(all of which are absolute lies). These bums have issued their 
second death threat in the past few days. First it was Arlin, and now Mike.

Arlin, just like the coward that he is, quickly tried to modify his death 
threat when he realized how hypocritical he looked. I doubt whether Mike has 
enough sense to realize that.

These acts give everyone a good look at the intolerance and cowardice which 
hides behind their facade of their so-called "Constitutional Militia".

As I said before, these people are liberal/Marxists at heart, and just like 
any L/M, they simply cannot tolerate serious dissent. When faced with 
inconveient facts and opinions, they obsfucate, then insult, and finally 
threaten. They say they want "freedom for everybody". Bullshit. These phonies 
aren't mature enough to handle what freedom they now have. 

What would they do if they had the kind of freedom they want? I can tell you. 
They'd come to my house, and probably the others, drag us out of our homes 
and murder us in cold blood just for expressing opinions they don't like. 

That sounds like what went on in Bolshevik Russia for 70-odd years.  

Mike, you're really nothing more than a loud-mouthed leftist punk in camo. 

And, BTW, don't use the word "commie" unless you're describing yourself.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 08:22:35 PST 1996
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Subject: Arlin Modifies His Threat
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While under the influence of liberalism, Arlin said:

>You may take that any way you wish.  I personally have no use for little
>nazis such as you, though as long as you stay within the law,  you will be
>safe from us.  Remember how that was phrased, for future reference.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


Arlin regains control of himself and modifies his original threats.


Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 10:35:42 PST 1996
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 21:18:58 GMT
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Subject: Re: Communism is Jewish. (undeniable evidence here)
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In message <845949831$4064@atype.com> - rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) writes:
:>
:>
:>In article <845866984$26202@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
:>writes:
:>
:>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
:>general
:>>
:>>in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
:>anti-Jewish 
:>>feeling growing among population...."                           
:>
:>Sheesh, anybody has read Russian history knows that to be anti-Jewish is
:>the same being Russian.

Has nothing to do with whether it's true or not. Randy, you follow the 
standard liberal dictum: When faced with irrefutable evidence, attack the 
author - don't dispute the facts.


:>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
:>5, 
:>>1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each
:>
:>>town consists of Jews of the worst type."                 
:>
:>Sounds like Mr. Caldwell was an anti-semite since he isn't using
:>diplomatic language here.

I wouldn't agree that statement is anti-semitic. But even if it was, it's 
more than likely true anyway, especially in light of all the other evidence.


:>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
:>March 
:>>1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Captain
:>Montgomey 
:>>Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States
:>but 
:>>the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's beginning guided and 
:>>controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type."                       
:>   
:>
:>Clearly an anti-semitic statement unfortunately uttered (allegedly) by an
:>American official..

Bullshit. By saying "greasiest type", this man obviously recognizes that 
other Jews are not of the "greasy" type.



Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 10:35:44 PST 1996
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In message <846715778$10829@atype.com> - thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) writes:

:>>>-Sir Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Febuary 8, 1920.
:>>
:>>Bullshit. Somehow, I vaguely doubt that this is anything but a forgery.
:>
:>Sorry, but it is a fact. Prove otherwise.
:>

I think that Herald article by Churchill was originally written as a speech, 
which he delivered to the British Parlament. Many author's have cited it, 
so, based on that alone, I really doubt it's a "forgery."

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 18:26:48 PST 1996
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In message <846724691$11564@atype.com> - mo10cav@aol.com (Mo10Cav) writes:
:>
:>
:>Individuals mentioned as present were: 
:>
:>William Gayley Simpson, a communist in the Twenties, 

Actually, he was a Christian minister, who graduated with high honors from a 
prominant theological seminary.


:>who wrote a pus-filled crock of sh-t called Which Way Western Man, 

Mike, that's how you refer to any documentation that contradicts your marxist 
brainwashing. That book just happens to be one of the most well researched 
and copiously documented books available. THAT'S why you hate it.


:>published by the National Alliance that would make normal folks puke
:>during the first chapter, but which gives the Nazional Alliance creeps
:>pseudo-sexual paroxysms of anti-semitic ejaculo preacox.

"Psuedo-sexual paroxysms" Mike, I can remember very few of your posts which 
haven't been ladened with your obvious obsessive interests in excrement and 
diviate sex.

You call yourself a Christian? Please keep your brand of so-called 
"Christianity" away from me.

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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From mckinney@usaor.net Thu Oct 31 23:28:34 PST 1996
Article: 42785 of misc.activism.militia
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From: mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 17:33:31 GMT
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Subject: Re: Arlin Issues Physical Threats.
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In message <846721223$11275@atype.com> - mo10cav@aol.com (Mo10Cav) writes:
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:>
:>Nazoid opines about what militia men will fight for....
:>
:>We will fight for the Republic and against you and your murderous but
:>cowardly socialist-filth masters.  Please review the story previously
:>posted on the Nuremberg hangman.  We are his spiritual kin, slimebucket. 
:>"We're gonna give you a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging."
:>
:>-- Mike Vanderboegh, 1 ACR  

You're going to give me a "first class hanging", huh? For what, for 
exercising my Freedom of Speech? Well, that exposes you as being in the same 
class as the commies - just like I've been saying all along.

What about the Constitution? What about the First Amendment? In your mind 
these things apparently apply ONLY to those who agree with you. The fact is, 
Mike, you can't handle dissent, you can't handle someone who shows you to be 
a fraud. You can't tolerate that, can you?

Mike, you're no Patriot, but merely a bum and a liar. You don't support 
Constitutional principles, you support intimidation and censorship. You and 
Arlin are both cut from the same Bolshevik cloth. Don't try to say otherwise, 
since your words and actions prove otherwise. 

BTW, save your miserable threats - they mean absolutely nothing to me, and 
only serve to prove YOU are nothing but a phony "Patriot" - not a REAL 
AMERICAN.

I can sniff-out a commie every time!

Yours truly,
Ian McKinney
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COMMENTS ON THE "MARXIST MILITIA" BY NOTED PERSONS::

"Atta goy, Arlin" - Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

"Wizard, you've got the most adorable eyes" - Morris Dees, SPLC

"This Militia thing is the best idea I ever had" - Gus Hall, Communist Party USA
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