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From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Mon Sep 23 21:40:49 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Impact77  wrote:
>I would like to tell all the lazy ass welfare loving black ass niggers out 
>there they can lick my damn ass because they are all trash and only the 
>pure white race will go to Heaven, they will al burn in HELL!!!!
>
>KKK!!!Clean up the streets with the Klan!!!

How about we start with removing your filthy hide from the streets?  You
seriously believe the trash you talk above?  Or are you another dumb kid
looking for attention and something to give your life worth, who has
decided the only way he can meet those goals is by degrading others???

Hey man, been there...done that.  It ain't what it's cracked up to be.
Forget that crap, get real and do something valuable with your life.

>Impact77@aol.com
>What kind of impact have I made on you today?

You made me feel even better about having cut my ties w/the filthy trash
movement you are so enamoured with.  

Get real!!!

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Thu Sep 26 15:17:42 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re: Bonehead racists
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Rich Graves  wrote:
>Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>> Of course, you've "reformed" now.  Anybody buying?
>
>I'd buy him a beer. One. A light beer. Milton deserves a Guinness (but
>again, only one).


Gee, thanks Rich, buddy!  Next round's on me. :-)

Schoedel 




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Fri Sep 27 10:30:58 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re: White had better organize as the minorities are commiting genocide on us
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Adam Blum writes thusly:

> The original Protestants hated the Indians and the Catholics.

That would explain why the Puritans wrote:

"In the Name of God, Amen.  We, whose names are underwritten...
Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the
Christian Faith...a Voyage to plant the first colony..." 
(excerpted from The Mayflower Compact)

Gee, the 'advancement of the Christian faith'...who exactly
would they have been advancing it toward, if not the original
inhabitants of the continent???  Indeed, the Puritans saw them-
selves as ambassadors of God, to bring goodwill and the Gospel
to this new land, along with (of course) setting up their 
colony so they might practice their religion.

But by no stretch of the imagination can it be generalised,
as you have done, that "the original Protestants hated the 
Indians..."

And then that Catholic thing is altogether wrong as well.  The
original Protestants hated the INSTITUTION of the Catholic
Church.  They did not however, hate Catholics...it was the
adherents of the Romish religion they were trying to convert.
You don't win too many converts by hating your ministerial
target audience.

Then there's the title of this thread, whoever wrote the
title, I don't know...but it's WRONG.  Minorities are not
committing genocide against the White race.  Blacks, Jews,
whatever, are not committing some conspiracy of genocide
against Whites.  if anyone is to be blamed for the decline
of White culture, it is ourselves.  We can't be blaming
others for our own sins and shortcomings.  You cannot be
passing the buck to Blacks or Jews or whoever, for the actions
or inactions of our own race, if you indeed perceive the
White race is in perilous times.  We have only ourselves to
blame for our state of being...

I once thought the way you did, and thought "how evil those
minorities are!  Stealing my country!"  If anything, the
Whites have given it to them.  Live with it.  I got over my
assinine way of thinking (parallel to yours), so can you.

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Fri Sep 27 10:30:58 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re: White had better organize as the minorities are commiting genocide on us
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Adam Blum writes thusly:

> The original Protestants hated the Indians and the Catholics.

That would explain why the Puritans wrote:

"In the Name of God, Amen.  We, whose names are underwritten...
Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the
Christian Faith...a Voyage to plant the first colony..." 
(excerpted from The Mayflower Compact)

Gee, the 'advancement of the Christian faith'...who exactly
would they have been advancing it toward, if not the original
inhabitants of the continent???  Indeed, the Puritans saw them-
selves as ambassadors of God, to bring goodwill and the Gospel
to this new land, along with (of course) setting up their 
colony so they might practice their religion.

But by no stretch of the imagination can it be generalised,
as you have done, that "the original Protestants hated the 
Indians..."

And then that Catholic thing is altogether wrong as well.  The
original Protestants hated the INSTITUTION of the Catholic
Church.  They did not however, hate Catholics...it was the
adherents of the Romish religion they were trying to convert.
You don't win too many converts by hating your ministerial
target audience.

Then there's the title of this thread, whoever wrote the
title, I don't know...but it's WRONG.  Minorities are not
committing genocide against the White race.  Blacks, Jews,
whatever, are not committing some conspiracy of genocide
against Whites.  if anyone is to be blamed for the decline
of White culture, it is ourselves.  We can't be blaming
others for our own sins and shortcomings.  You cannot be
passing the buck to Blacks or Jews or whoever, for the actions
or inactions of our own race, if you indeed perceive the
White race is in perilous times.  We have only ourselves to
blame for our state of being...

I once thought the way you did, and thought "how evil those
minorities are!  Stealing my country!"  If anything, the
Whites have given it to them.  Live with it.  I got over my
assinine way of thinking (parallel to yours), so can you.

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Fri Sep 27 15:18:29 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Mr. McVay,

You are correct in stating that ten months ago I ceded to you that maybe
use of my posts would be allowed under fair-use rules.

For your information, please visit 
http://www.clari.net/brad/copymyths.html for a nice definition of
copyright laws and examples...

You will find, in short, that your usage of my materials -- which I have
long since retracted, as being the rantings of a misled youth -- is a
direct violation of U.S. Copyright Law.  

Regardless of what Digital's position may be, in this nation, Digital
does not write or enforce statutory law.  I can take the position that
marijuana use isn't a bad thing, but it is still contrary to the law.

Mr. McVay,  after you have reviewed the legality of the situation
yourself, with more info from the U.S. government found at 
 http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/, I do trust you will cease your flag-
rant violation of copyright law, and indeed, the publicly stated wishes
of the legal copyright owner.

All the best,

(Rev.) Ronald C. Schoedel, III




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sat Sep 28 17:46:28 PDT 1996
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Mr. McVay wrote thusly:

> Short form: you said it; you'd best learn to live with people
> knowing you said it.

Mr. McVay, you may be right...I was merely doing my part to try to
purge the web of some filthy things I ain't proud of.

You refuse to address the issue of copyright violation, however, Mr.
McVay:  will you continue to violate the law?  Will you be including
my recent "anti-racist" posts in my file, Mr. McVay?

Schoedel




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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re: Amen, Reverend, Amen.
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Mr. McVay quotes me thusly:

"PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE THIS MATERIAL IN ANY WAY THAT FURTHER PROMOTES
OUR CAUSE.  Any usage of the material otherwise, in a manner not deemed
in the best interest of this organization and our stated beliefs and
cause, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

Amen, Ken, Amen.  Any usage deemed not in the best interest of this 
organization (the copyright owner)...

Posting hideous things I once said is not in the best interest of my
stated beliefs, which are decidedly anti-racist and anti-anti-Semitic.

Using quotes of mine in your slide shows, Ken, could well be defined
as fair use.  That is, if you're not distribuitng a book of my words
at your shows.  That would be illegal.  See the difference?  Quoting a
sentence of two is hardly illegal...a COMPLETE COMPILATION, if AGAINST
THE WISHES OF THE COPYRIGHT OWNER, is cleary, undistputable, a violation
of applicable copyright statutes.

So will you obey the law or no, Mr. McVay?

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sat Sep 28 17:46:30 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Rev. Schoedel makes his case clearly...listen up
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Andy wrote thusly:

>I'll claim my privilege, as someone a few years your senior, to offer a
>little advice. You said what you said. You said it publicly, and you knew
>-- or should have known -- that it would be recorded for posterity. You
>cannot take back what you said. You can, however, make your current views
>clear. If you want to alter your record, you cannot erase it; you can,
>however, drown it out with whatever you choose to say today. You are well
>within your rights to demand that Nizkor, or any other archive, include
>your more recent posts with the older ones.

To be quite honest, I am not upset that people might associate things with me,
that I once said.  I believe in personal responsibility.  I have NOT in any
way been harmed or had held  against me, the things I once said.  That's not my 
motive, either.  

What disturbs me is the self-roghteousness of Mr. McVay and others, who claim 
to have a corner on the anti-racist market.  He seems afraid that I or someone
else who used to wallow in the cesspool of filth called racism could steal
his thunder.  Because of Mr. McVay's demonstrated personal lack of ambition
or skill, Nizkor is all he's got.  In order for him to have any self worth,
needs to be net-nazi hunter number one.   To that end, he appears very unwilling
to accept as genuine the conversion story of this man, which has been spread far
and wide via other media besides USENET. McVay, however, continues to make my
"apology"/"resignation" statements available under a mocking heading, clearly
for the purpose of making them look non-committal or insincere.

Mr. McVay goes to excesses to make himself appear to be the net's number one
anti-Nazi.   Even some liberal reporters I have spoken with have said McVay
goes way overboard, and that he displays my resignation statements in a very
dishonest manner.  Ken, why the dishonesty?  Now that a former propagandist
radical right has recanted and stepped-down, you continue to paint me as 
thing I no longer am.  Is your goal not to rid the world of such material
as I once produced?  Then why the smug and self-righteous attitude, which more
or less denies my trasnsformation?

Ken is doing nothing differently than the white power boobs, who continually
fight about who is the true W.P. movement, and who is just faking it.  Rather
than trying to work WITH a new anti-racist (moi), Ken seems hell bent on 
making sure people think I am not what I am, so he can continue as the ring-
leader of his little faction of the anti-racist movement, trying to relegate
to oblivion any anti-racist who he might not personally like.  It's a case of pure
and simple pride and arrogance, and in-fighting, more or less.  It's like the
Bob Dole and Pat Buchanan factions of the republican party.  Dole (perhaps in
this analogy the equivalent of McVay) refuses to recognize as "real republicans"
the Buchanan people...until the general election rolls around.  Meanwhile, the 
Buchanan people steadfastly maintain their party ties, much like I have tried to
interject myself into the anti-racist scene.  Whether McVay wants to recognise
it or not, I am an anti-racist.  Something tells me though, that If I wanted to
make a sizable donation to Mr. McVay's faction of the anti-racist camp,
he would gladly accept THAT.  Just as long as I promote HIS brand of anti-racism,
then he'll accept my "conversion".  

For the benefit of anybody who reads this, let me make it plain and simple:

I am a much different Ron Schoedel than I was a year ago, though in many ways the
same Ron Schoedel I was four years ago.  What I mean is that in life, we usually
ride the train out of town, but if we stay on it long enough, it brings us back
around.  I rode the racist train out of reality. But eventually the failings, the
idiocy, the completely abominable nature of that hideous white movement was made 
clear to me, and I jumped off that train, and landed back where I had been all
my life, a normal, non-hateful, non-racist guy.

I have denounced hateful racism, anti-anybody-ism, based on race or religion.  
There is no use in that, it serves no purpose and only hinders the advancement of
civilization.  It harms people; my words have harmed people, and I'm not proud
of that.  I'm not proud that I once belived in seedline identity...a very stupid,
harmful, and scripturally unsound doctrine.

Anybody who hy doubts to my sincerety, oh well, I'm sorry about that.  My 
accountability is to God above, and by the looks of how my life is going lately,
I seem to be in His good graces to say the very least.

Racism is a hideous thing which must be purged from society.  Blind stupid hatred
will accomplish nothing.  Through personal contact, I have diverted more than a
few other young people from travelling the road I did.  Of that, I am proud.  And
maybe by my continuing to work with people, showing the fallacies of racism, I
can atone for my past sins.

(Rev.) Ronald C. Schoedel, III




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Andy wrote thusly:

>I'll claim my privilege, as someone a few years your senior, to offer a
>little advice. You said what you said. You said it publicly, and you knew
>-- or should have known -- that it would be recorded for posterity. You
>cannot take back what you said. You can, however, make your current views
>clear. If you want to alter your record, you cannot erase it; you can,
>however, drown it out with whatever you choose to say today. You are well
>within your rights to demand that Nizkor, or any other archive, include
>your more recent posts with the older ones.

To be quite honest, I am not upset that people might associate things with me,
that I once said.  I believe in personal responsibility.  I have NOT in any
way been harmed or had held  against me, the things I once said.  That's not my 
motive, either.  

What disturbs me is the self-roghteousness of Mr. McVay and others, who claim 
to have a corner on the anti-racist market.  He seems afraid that I or someone
else who used to wallow in the cesspool of filth called racism could steal
his thunder.  Because of Mr. McVay's demonstrated personal lack of ambition
or skill, Nizkor is all he's got.  In order for him to have any self worth,
needs to be net-nazi hunter number one.   To that end, he appears very unwilling
to accept as genuine the conversion story of this man, which has been spread far
and wide via other media besides USENET. McVay, however, continues to make my
"apology"/"resignation" statements available under a mocking heading, clearly
for the purpose of making them look non-committal or insincere.

Mr. McVay goes to excesses to make himself appear to be the net's number one
anti-Nazi.   Even some liberal reporters I have spoken with have said McVay
goes way overboard, and that he displays my resignation statements in a very
dishonest manner.  Ken, why the dishonesty?  Now that a former propagandist
radical right has recanted and stepped-down, you continue to paint me as 
thing I no longer am.  Is your goal not to rid the world of such material
as I once produced?  Then why the smug and self-righteous attitude, which more
or less denies my trasnsformation?

Ken is doing nothing differently than the white power boobs, who continually
fight about who is the true W.P. movement, and who is just faking it.  Rather
than trying to work WITH a new anti-racist (moi), Ken seems hell bent on 
making sure people think I am not what I am, so he can continue as the ring-
leader of his little faction of the anti-racist movement, trying to relegate
to oblivion any anti-racist who he might not personally like.  It's a case of pure
and simple pride and arrogance, and in-fighting, more or less.  It's like the
Bob Dole and Pat Buchanan factions of the republican party.  Dole (perhaps in
this analogy the equivalent of McVay) refuses to recognize as "real republicans"
the Buchanan people...until the general election rolls around.  Meanwhile, the 
Buchanan people steadfastly maintain their party ties, much like I have tried to
interject myself into the anti-racist scene.  Whether McVay wants to recognise
it or not, I am an anti-racist.  Something tells me though, that If I wanted to
make a sizable donation to Mr. McVay's faction of the anti-racist camp,
he would gladly accept THAT.  Just as long as I promote HIS brand of anti-racism,
then he'll accept my "conversion".  

For the benefit of anybody who reads this, let me make it plain and simple:

I am a much different Ron Schoedel than I was a year ago, though in many ways the
same Ron Schoedel I was four years ago.  What I mean is that in life, we usually
ride the train out of town, but if we stay on it long enough, it brings us back
around.  I rode the racist train out of reality. But eventually the failings, the
idiocy, the completely abominable nature of that hideous white movement was made 
clear to me, and I jumped off that train, and landed back where I had been all
my life, a normal, non-hateful, non-racist guy.

I have denounced hateful racism, anti-anybody-ism, based on race or religion.  
There is no use in that, it serves no purpose and only hinders the advancement of
civilization.  It harms people; my words have harmed people, and I'm not proud
of that.  I'm not proud that I once belived in seedline identity...a very stupid,
harmful, and scripturally unsound doctrine.

Anybody who hy doubts to my sincerety, oh well, I'm sorry about that.  My 
accountability is to God above, and by the looks of how my life is going lately,
I seem to be in His good graces to say the very least.

Racism is a hideous thing which must be purged from society.  Blind stupid hatred
will accomplish nothing.  Through personal contact, I have diverted more than a
few other young people from travelling the road I did.  Of that, I am proud.  And
maybe by my continuing to work with people, showing the fallacies of racism, I
can atone for my past sins.

(Rev.) Ronald C. Schoedel, III




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sat Sep 28 19:27:09 PDT 1996
Article: 69747 of alt.revisionism
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From: Schoedel 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Rev. Schoedel makes his case clearly...listen up
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Andy wrote thusly:

>I'll claim my privilege, as someone a few years your senior, to offer a
>little advice. You said what you said. You said it publicly, and you knew
>-- or should have known -- that it would be recorded for posterity. You
>cannot take back what you said. You can, however, make your current views
>clear. If you want to alter your record, you cannot erase it; you can,
>however, drown it out with whatever you choose to say today. You are well
>within your rights to demand that Nizkor, or any other archive, include
>your more recent posts with the older ones.

To be quite honest, I am not upset that people might associate things with me,
that I once said.  I believe in personal responsibility.  I have NOT in any
way been harmed or had held  against me, the things I once said.  That's not my 
motive, either.  

What disturbs me is the self-roghteousness of Mr. McVay and others, who claim 
to have a corner on the anti-racist market.  He seems afraid that I or someone
else who used to wallow in the cesspool of filth called racism could steal
his thunder.  Because of Mr. McVay's demonstrated personal lack of ambition
or skill, Nizkor is all he's got.  In order for him to have any self worth,
needs to be net-nazi hunter number one.   To that end, he appears very unwilling
to accept as genuine the conversion story of this man, which has been spread far
and wide via other media besides USENET. McVay, however, continues to make my
"apology"/"resignation" statements available under a mocking heading, clearly
for the purpose of making them look non-committal or insincere.

Mr. McVay goes to excesses to make himself appear to be the net's number one
anti-Nazi.   Even some liberal reporters I have spoken with have said McVay
goes way overboard, and that he displays my resignation statements in a very
dishonest manner.  Ken, why the dishonesty?  Now that a former propagandist
radical right has recanted and stepped-down, you continue to paint me as 
thing I no longer am.  Is your goal not to rid the world of such material
as I once produced?  Then why the smug and self-righteous attitude, which more
or less denies my trasnsformation?

Ken is doing nothing differently than the white power boobs, who continually
fight about who is the true W.P. movement, and who is just faking it.  Rather
than trying to work WITH a new anti-racist (moi), Ken seems hell bent on 
making sure people think I am not what I am, so he can continue as the ring-
leader of his little faction of the anti-racist movement, trying to relegate
to oblivion any anti-racist who he might not personally like.  It's a case of pure
and simple pride and arrogance, and in-fighting, more or less.  It's like the
Bob Dole and Pat Buchanan factions of the republican party.  Dole (perhaps in
this analogy the equivalent of McVay) refuses to recognize as "real republicans"
the Buchanan people...until the general election rolls around.  Meanwhile, the 
Buchanan people steadfastly maintain their party ties, much like I have tried to
interject myself into the anti-racist scene.  Whether McVay wants to recognise
it or not, I am an anti-racist.  Something tells me though, that If I wanted to
make a sizable donation to Mr. McVay's faction of the anti-racist camp,
he would gladly accept THAT.  Just as long as I promote HIS brand of anti-racism,
then he'll accept my "conversion".  

For the benefit of anybody who reads this, let me make it plain and simple:

I am a much different Ron Schoedel than I was a year ago, though in many ways the
same Ron Schoedel I was four years ago.  What I mean is that in life, we usually
ride the train out of town, but if we stay on it long enough, it brings us back
around.  I rode the racist train out of reality. But eventually the failings, the
idiocy, the completely abominable nature of that hideous white movement was made 
clear to me, and I jumped off that train, and landed back where I had been all
my life, a normal, non-hateful, non-racist guy.

I have denounced hateful racism, anti-anybody-ism, based on race or religion.  
There is no use in that, it serves no purpose and only hinders the advancement of
civilization.  It harms people; my words have harmed people, and I'm not proud
of that.  I'm not proud that I once belived in seedline identity...a very stupid,
harmful, and scripturally unsound doctrine.

Anybody who hy doubts to my sincerety, oh well, I'm sorry about that.  My 
accountability is to God above, and by the looks of how my life is going lately,
I seem to be in His good graces to say the very least.

Racism is a hideous thing which must be purged from society.  Blind stupid hatred
will accomplish nothing.  Through personal contact, I have diverted more than a
few other young people from travelling the road I did.  Of that, I am proud.  And
maybe by my continuing to work with people, showing the fallacies of racism, I
can atone for my past sins.

(Rev.) Ronald C. Schoedel, III




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sat Sep 28 19:27:10 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Rev. Schoedel makes his case clearly...listen up
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Andy wrote thusly:

>I'll claim my privilege, as someone a few years your senior, to offer a
>little advice. You said what you said. You said it publicly, and you knew
>-- or should have known -- that it would be recorded for posterity. You
>cannot take back what you said. You can, however, make your current views
>clear. If you want to alter your record, you cannot erase it; you can,
>however, drown it out with whatever you choose to say today. You are well
>within your rights to demand that Nizkor, or any other archive, include
>your more recent posts with the older ones.

To be quite honest, I am not upset that people might associate things with me,
that I once said.  I believe in personal responsibility.  I have NOT in any
way been harmed or had held  against me, the things I once said.  That's not my 
motive, either.  

What disturbs me is the self-roghteousness of Mr. McVay and others, who claim 
to have a corner on the anti-racist market.  He seems afraid that I or someone
else who used to wallow in the cesspool of filth called racism could steal
his thunder.  Because of Mr. McVay's demonstrated personal lack of ambition
or skill, Nizkor is all he's got.  In order for him to have any self worth,
needs to be net-nazi hunter number one.   To that end, he appears very unwilling
to accept as genuine the conversion story of this man, which has been spread far
and wide via other media besides USENET. McVay, however, continues to make my
"apology"/"resignation" statements available under a mocking heading, clearly
for the purpose of making them look non-committal or insincere.

Mr. McVay goes to excesses to make himself appear to be the net's number one
anti-Nazi.   Even some liberal reporters I have spoken with have said McVay
goes way overboard, and that he displays my resignation statements in a very
dishonest manner.  Ken, why the dishonesty?  Now that a former propagandist
radical right has recanted and stepped-down, you continue to paint me as 
thing I no longer am.  Is your goal not to rid the world of such material
as I once produced?  Then why the smug and self-righteous attitude, which more
or less denies my trasnsformation?

Ken is doing nothing differently than the white power boobs, who continually
fight about who is the true W.P. movement, and who is just faking it.  Rather
than trying to work WITH a new anti-racist (moi), Ken seems hell bent on 
making sure people think I am not what I am, so he can continue as the ring-
leader of his little faction of the anti-racist movement, trying to relegate
to oblivion any anti-racist who he might not personally like.  It's a case of pure
and simple pride and arrogance, and in-fighting, more or less.  It's like the
Bob Dole and Pat Buchanan factions of the republican party.  Dole (perhaps in
this analogy the equivalent of McVay) refuses to recognize as "real republicans"
the Buchanan people...until the general election rolls around.  Meanwhile, the 
Buchanan people steadfastly maintain their party ties, much like I have tried to
interject myself into the anti-racist scene.  Whether McVay wants to recognise
it or not, I am an anti-racist.  Something tells me though, that If I wanted to
make a sizable donation to Mr. McVay's faction of the anti-racist camp,
he would gladly accept THAT.  Just as long as I promote HIS brand of anti-racism,
then he'll accept my "conversion".  

For the benefit of anybody who reads this, let me make it plain and simple:

I am a much different Ron Schoedel than I was a year ago, though in many ways the
same Ron Schoedel I was four years ago.  What I mean is that in life, we usually
ride the train out of town, but if we stay on it long enough, it brings us back
around.  I rode the racist train out of reality. But eventually the failings, the
idiocy, the completely abominable nature of that hideous white movement was made 
clear to me, and I jumped off that train, and landed back where I had been all
my life, a normal, non-hateful, non-racist guy.

I have denounced hateful racism, anti-anybody-ism, based on race or religion.  
There is no use in that, it serves no purpose and only hinders the advancement of
civilization.  It harms people; my words have harmed people, and I'm not proud
of that.  I'm not proud that I once belived in seedline identity...a very stupid,
harmful, and scripturally unsound doctrine.

Anybody who hy doubts to my sincerety, oh well, I'm sorry about that.  My 
accountability is to God above, and by the looks of how my life is going lately,
I seem to be in His good graces to say the very least.

Racism is a hideous thing which must be purged from society.  Blind stupid hatred
will accomplish nothing.  Through personal contact, I have diverted more than a
few other young people from travelling the road I did.  Of that, I am proud.  And
maybe by my continuing to work with people, showing the fallacies of racism, I
can atone for my past sins.

(Rev.) Ronald C. Schoedel, III




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 00:35:16 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: McVay, still the same old worthless Gas Jock...
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McVay GSA wrote thusly:

>In article <52kba3$km1@btc1.up.net>, 
>Schoedel  wrote:
>
>>You refuse to address the issue of copyright violation, however, Mr.
>>McVay:  will you continue to violate the law?  Will you be including
>>my recent "anti-racist" posts in my file, Mr. McVay?

>Mr. Schoedel, let us save some time and energy here, rather
>than prattle endlessly back and forth:

You REFUSE AGAIN, Mr. McVay, to address the issue.  The question was,
will you continue to violate copyright law, and if so, with what
support for your flagrant illegal actions? 

Eagerly awaiting your next avoidance of the question.

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 00:35:17 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re: Amen, Reverend, Amen.
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Sep 1996 04:51:24 -0500, atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) wrote:

>	And in even the most liberal of interpretations, all usage other than the clear
>exceptions in the international convention, require permission.  Canada, being a
>signatory, has its laws in conformance with that requirement for permission.
>Therefore, McVay and the other two are in violation of Canadian law.  And of
>course that is knowing violation of Canadian law.  

Thanks you Mr. Giwer.  At the VERY least, Mr. McVay *MUST* remove my material from
any computer storage system which is on land under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
AT THE VERY LEAST.  Oh, that, and block all U.S.-access to his foreign sites.

But what would Mr. McVay know or care about violating the law, when his whole
life -- all the self worth the old hippy has -- depends on his pet project...?

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 09:10:24 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re Schoedel states his case, not based on insincerety, but based on Mr. McVay's refusal of Mr. Schoedel's attempts at making peace with Nizkor, in months past.
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>You know, Rev, _I_might have believed your change of heart until I see you
>spam the newsgroup with the same message three of four times and that still

That would be called tehcnical problems with Netscape Navigator...

>making the same old insulting remarks to Ken McVay. That makes me wonder if
>you have changed at all or if you are merely concerned with your image.

Look, just because i have drastically altered my position on many things does
not ipso facto require me to kiss Ken McVay's rear end, or anybody else's.  A
couple months ago, I tried to contact Ken to talk with him about trying to 
work with him.  He ignored me.  THAT showed me his true motivation.

I mean, c'mon...you've got the Simon Wesienthal Center working with an ex-
skinhead these days, surely Mr. McVay can swallow his pride, quit worrying
about someone else stealing his thunder, and try to work with myself and
others who used to be on the other side.

Here's news for you, Mr. Lewis: two people can share a belief and still not
get along.  Even though the 'not getting along' part seems to stem from Mr.
McVay's arrogance, and refusal to accept my hand of fellowship which I have
TRIED to extend to him a few times.

>I will bet that Ken will archive your anti-racists posts. That does not,
>however, negate your previous position. If it were me, I would think it a
>much more powerful message that your new position reside beside your old one
>so that people could see your change of heart.

Perhaps so...but not when his current archives of my resignation posts are
headlined with patronizing, mocking headers, clearly designed to prejudice
the reader against those statements, as though they were not sincere.  Let
me say again, I have made my beliefs clear to many more people than Nizkor
reaches, through other media.  The problem here is NOT, repeat, NOT an
image problem...but a legal infraction against me, by Mr. McVay.

>As far as copyright violation, I am afraid you are out to lunch. And you
>know it else you would be making the same demands of DejaNews, Alta Vista
>and others. Since you are not, it appears you are still just bearing a
>grudge against Nizkor.

DejaNews and Alta Vista maintain databases of the entire USENET, not "my"
posts, conveniently packaged and stripped out of context, as Nizkor does.
DejaNews and Alta Vista are hardly violating the law.  Mr. McVay, however,
is.  He has a complete record of me, in one archive, not just an archive
of the etntire USENET.  Big difference.

>The very fact that you would accept the support of the likes of Giwer, the
>biggest scumbag on the Internet, speaks louder than all your protestations. 

When I was on the other side of the fence, I often spoke on friendly terms with
people of your/our persuasion.  What's your point?

Even a stopped clock is right twice daily, eh?

Schoedel




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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>You make my point. With this post you show your real intentions and your
>real motives. 

Um, excusez-moi?  I have TRIED to work with Mr. McVay, as an ally.  I
have TRIED to do so.  I will not, however, kiss anyone's ass.  I can
be just as anti-racist as Mr. McVay and not like his tactics and his
lack of character.

Schoedel



From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 09:40:13 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re Schoedel states his case, not based on insincerety, but based on Mr. McVay's refusal of Mr. Schoedel's attempts at making peace with Nizkor, in months past.
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>You know, Rev, _I_might have believed your change of heart until I see you
>spam the newsgroup with the same message three of four times and that still

That would be called tehcnical problems with Netscape Navigator...

>making the same old insulting remarks to Ken McVay. That makes me wonder if
>you have changed at all or if you are merely concerned with your image.

Look, just because i have drastically altered my position on many things does
not ipso facto require me to kiss Ken McVay's rear end, or anybody else's.  A
couple months ago, I tried to contact Ken to talk with him about trying to 
work with him.  He ignored me.  THAT showed me his true motivation.

I mean, c'mon...you've got the Simon Wesienthal Center working with an ex-
skinhead these days, surely Mr. McVay can swallow his pride, quit worrying
about someone else stealing his thunder, and try to work with myself and
others who used to be on the other side.

Here's news for you, Mr. Lewis: two people can share a belief and still not
get along.  Even though the 'not getting along' part seems to stem from Mr.
McVay's arrogance, and refusal to accept my hand of fellowship which I have
TRIED to extend to him a few times.

>I will bet that Ken will archive your anti-racists posts. That does not,
>however, negate your previous position. If it were me, I would think it a
>much more powerful message that your new position reside beside your old one
>so that people could see your change of heart.

Perhaps so...but not when his current archives of my resignation posts are
headlined with patronizing, mocking headers, clearly designed to prejudice
the reader against those statements, as though they were not sincere.  Let
me say again, I have made my beliefs clear to many more people than Nizkor
reaches, through other media.  The problem here is NOT, repeat, NOT an
image problem...but a legal infraction against me, by Mr. McVay.

>As far as copyright violation, I am afraid you are out to lunch. And you
>know it else you would be making the same demands of DejaNews, Alta Vista
>and others. Since you are not, it appears you are still just bearing a
>grudge against Nizkor.

DejaNews and Alta Vista maintain databases of the entire USENET, not "my"
posts, conveniently packaged and stripped out of context, as Nizkor does.
DejaNews and Alta Vista are hardly violating the law.  Mr. McVay, however,
is.  He has a complete record of me, in one archive, not just an archive
of the etntire USENET.  Big difference.

>The very fact that you would accept the support of the likes of Giwer, the
>biggest scumbag on the Internet, speaks louder than all your protestations. 

When I was on the other side of the fence, I often spoke on friendly terms with
people of your/our persuasion.  What's your point?

Even a stopped clock is right twice daily, eh?

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 09:40:14 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re Schoedel states his case, not based on insincerety, but based on Mr. McVay's refusal of Mr. Schoedel's attempts at making peace with Nizkor, in months past.
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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>You know, Rev, _I_might have believed your change of heart until I see you
>spam the newsgroup with the same message three of four times and that still

That would be called tehcnical problems with Netscape Navigator...

>making the same old insulting remarks to Ken McVay. That makes me wonder if
>you have changed at all or if you are merely concerned with your image.

Look, just because i have drastically altered my position on many things does
not ipso facto require me to kiss Ken McVay's rear end, or anybody else's.  A
couple months ago, I tried to contact Ken to talk with him about trying to 
work with him.  He ignored me.  THAT showed me his true motivation.

I mean, c'mon...you've got the Simon Wesienthal Center working with an ex-
skinhead these days, surely Mr. McVay can swallow his pride, quit worrying
about someone else stealing his thunder, and try to work with myself and
others who used to be on the other side.

Here's news for you, Mr. Lewis: two people can share a belief and still not
get along.  Even though the 'not getting along' part seems to stem from Mr.
McVay's arrogance, and refusal to accept my hand of fellowship which I have
TRIED to extend to him a few times.

>I will bet that Ken will archive your anti-racists posts. That does not,
>however, negate your previous position. If it were me, I would think it a
>much more powerful message that your new position reside beside your old one
>so that people could see your change of heart.

Perhaps so...but not when his current archives of my resignation posts are
headlined with patronizing, mocking headers, clearly designed to prejudice
the reader against those statements, as though they were not sincere.  Let
me say again, I have made my beliefs clear to many more people than Nizkor
reaches, through other media.  The problem here is NOT, repeat, NOT an
image problem...but a legal infraction against me, by Mr. McVay.

>As far as copyright violation, I am afraid you are out to lunch. And you
>know it else you would be making the same demands of DejaNews, Alta Vista
>and others. Since you are not, it appears you are still just bearing a
>grudge against Nizkor.

DejaNews and Alta Vista maintain databases of the entire USENET, not "my"
posts, conveniently packaged and stripped out of context, as Nizkor does.
DejaNews and Alta Vista are hardly violating the law.  Mr. McVay, however,
is.  He has a complete record of me, in one archive, not just an archive
of the etntire USENET.  Big difference.

>The very fact that you would accept the support of the likes of Giwer, the
>biggest scumbag on the Internet, speaks louder than all your protestations. 

When I was on the other side of the fence, I often spoke on friendly terms with
people of your/our persuasion.  What's your point?

Even a stopped clock is right twice daily, eh?

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 12:51:33 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re: Rev. Schoedel makes his case clearly...listen up
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"Annie Alpert, OFB"  wrote:

>Well, what is your motive, then?  It is merely to 'teach Ken McVay a
>lesson'?  This is not a contest to see who gets the most attention, Rev.

FOr Mr. McVay, that seems to be exactly the motive.  FYI, I happen to be
working on a new web presence, which will use portions of my past writings.
Past writings which I alone have exclusive right to use.  I will not be
forced to 'compete' with myself (on his website).  The materials will
have to come down, if Mr. McVay, DUAL-citizen he is (thus prosecutable
under U.S. law) has any shred of legitimacy and concern for the law.

>WHat is your obsession with Ken, anyway?  He's not the only one who
>helps keep Nizkor together.  

Perhaps, but he is the director of the project.  I have no obsession
with him, instead it seems quite the opposite.  I don't know, you ask him
why he refuses to talk with me, when I have tried to extend a hand of
fellowship to him, hoping we could bury the shovel.  I HAVE TRIED.  Again
though, the issue os violation of MY RIGHTS, by Kenneth McVay.

>Instead of whining about your archives on
>Nizkor, why don't you write NEW notes and let your present actions speak
>for you.  Living in the past will get you nowhere.

I agree totally.  That is the motive behind the new website.  BUT, the past
notes I posted taking back what I said before, he posts in a way as to make
the reader think I was insincere, with very mocking and patronizing headers.
What is Ken's obsession with ME, I wonder????

>What you post on USENET is public, not private.  If you wanted to be
>private, you should have stuck to e-mail.

That does not, however, Annie, change the issue at hand, which is copyright
violation.

>This is admirable and took a lot of guts.  Still, your your reputation
>wasn't built in a day, and it won't take a day to eliminate it.  Please,
>try to calm down and be paitent.  Your actions will speak for you.
>Substituting "Ken McVay" for the blacks and Jews you used to hate is
>merely changing one hatred for another.  Hatred only breeds more hatred.
>Also, hating racists isn't any better. Like it or not, racists have a
>perfect right to be ignorant, bigotted and intolerant. 

I do not hate Ken McVay.  I think the man has some serious character flaws,
and shows himself to be a pompous ass at times.  But that's not hatred.  
Again, I say, people can share the same opinion and not get along.  My
problems with Ken McVay are NOT his politics, NOT his idea behind Nizkor,
NOT anything of the sort...just his pompous arrogance and his violation of
my legal rights.

Thank you Annie for your note, btw.

All the best,

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 13:47:40 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
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jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) blubbers:
>Schoedel  wrote:

>So Mr. McVay is not entitled to voice his opinion, namely that you are not
>especially sincere?  He's not entitled to collect together your own writings
>and say what he likes about them?

Nope.  

>I could have sworn you once even expressly stated:

ONCE.  As copyright owner, I happen to be allowed to change my mind as to whom I give
permission to use my materials.  Consider NIZKOR's permission REVOKED. Permanently.
Do I have the right to use Nizkor's pages (all of which bear a copyright label) to my
own devices???  Why not? 

>Please explain how archiving every post you made to Usenet, in their
>entireties, including headers, is "stripped out of context."  

Stripped out of the context of the discussion.  Fool.  That's immaterial.  The issue
is the violation of the law.

>I'd really like to hear this one.

To quote you, oh Great One:

>Oh, knock it off.

>Why do you continue to make yourself look stupid?

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 14:18:37 PDT 1996
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qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

>Ron, you interested in sucking Joel's penis?  He's buying if your selling.

Nah, I wouldn't wanna deprive his family members of their fun.

Schoedel




From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sun Sep 29 14:27:52 PDT 1996
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From: Schoedel 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: A message to white Americans.
Date: 27 Sep 1996 18:31:55 GMT
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The Truth  wrote:
>I have noticed something.  There is quite a bit of cussing on this
>newsgroup.  We whites are more intelligent than that.  Only niggers and
>idiots cuss because of a lack of vocabulary and general intelligence. (snip)
>But has a rule, don't cuss, use proper English.
(snip)
>FAGBASHER


Yeah, yeah, that's right...all you white people, you MUST use proper
English...words like "nigger" and "FAGBASHER". 

Anyone notice a discrepancy here...proper English..."nigger", "FAG-
BASHER"???  Nah, must be me, eh? 

Geez, one more proof of my theory that whites are superior...in stupidity.

Schoedel



From ww409@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Mon Sep 30 07:33:45 PDT 1996
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) wrote thusly:
>McVay will continue to steal.  But in the end
>someone is going to come down on him in a very big way

Such a sorry shame, too. Under  more honest leadership and direction
Nizkor could be a very very valuable tool, far beyond what it is even 
now.

Schoedel




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From: Schoedel 
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mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) wrote:

>	What you are missing here is that they would have stolen your material whether
>or not you ever gave permission and would have continued to do so despite your
>objections.  
>	
>	They are common criminals.  Realize what you are dealing with.  

Actually, only McVay and McCartney seem to fall into that mold, that I know of.  
One real nice lady from Nizkor has written me a couple times.  Really surprised
me to be honest, but this Annie is really quite a nice gal.  So, not all
Nizkor folks are bad...just thought I should recognize somone who deserves
recognition...

>	More than that your constant protests are a source of amusement if not sexual
>arousal for them.  You are giving them satisfaction by doing so.  

Well, you have a good point, Mr. Giwer.  Thanks.  I will not be saying another
word regarding my copyrights, on this or any other newsgroup, for the time
being.  

>Your best bet
>is to take up hacking and see if you can cease the harm being deliberately done
>to you in that manner.  

Actually, even though hacking is not technically illegal, I do wish to stay on
the ethical side of things, stand on the moral high ground,  and not stoop to
McVayesque techniques.

>	It will be much more productive in addition to being educational. 

I do have some "educational" things I am working on publishing right now, on the
net and in print perhaps, as well...since you bring up 'educational' :-)

Schoedel




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From: Schoedel 
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Subject: Re: Response to "Teapot Tempest"...Jews the children of "satin"?
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"Annie Alpert, OFB"  quoth Greg Matson thusly:

>> Are you Jewish ? This sound like something a Jew would say. 

Are you a blind, predjudiced bigot?  This kind of name-calling sounds like
something a blind, predjudiced bigot would say...

>> Maybe you would find  people you would like at the 700 club. They worship the Jews
>> ya know.

I may not be a big fan of Pat Robertson's, but it's a long stretch of one's imag-
ination to say he worships the Jews.  He supports them, their religion, and their
political Zionism...but that is hardly worship.

>> Winston makes a hell of a lot of sense. If you really care about our
>> people,let your ego go and open fire on the true ememy of man, the true
>> evil seed of Satin,
                ^^^^^
I was unaware satin was now classified as an eeeeevil work of the devil.  
better go change my sheets.

But what is this about "opening fire" on the true enemy of "man"?  Are you
calling for violence?  Are you claiming Jews are not "man"kind, but are
rather children of some mythical devil???  Please, wake up.  Been there,
done that, said that myself.  I was wrong.  You are, too.  

Nothing will be accomplished, no civilization furthered, nothing good
gained, by calling people sub-men, or calling for the death, as you do
here...Please rethink your erroneous ideas...the whole world will be a 
better place if we assume responsibility for our own quality of life, in-
stead of trying to blame our real or perceived problems on someone else,
as you do (and as I have done in the past, in my unenlightened days).

You really should not be calling for violence, btw, on the net.  That's
just plain dumb, if nothing else.  Duh.

>> the Jews, Israel and ZOG. Your reponse willl tell us
>> all, were a your love ? Is it with ZOG or is it with the evil
>> Yiddish-Mogoinites.

What, pray tell, are Mogoinites?  I have never heard that term.  Is that
like, "Satin's" middle name or something???  

(Rev.) Schoedel




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bodhi@sattva.org (Bodhisattva) wrote:

>> Jews under 
>> a communist banner are the worlds largest and most evil mass murdering 
>> filth in history.
>
>I have refuted you thus.  The Bodhisattva has spoken.  Go back to your trailer.

Actually, though various shades of communism and it's leaders have been
responsible for a number of mass murders, they are only part of the problem: they
are now, and have always, been doing nothing different than the Roman church, the
anti-Christ beast that it is.  Communism and Organised religion (The papists) are
working hand in hand as agents of evil.  One claims atheism, the other (falsely)
claims Christ, to give the appearance of a difference...but make no mistake,
the inquisitions, the crusades, and the persecution of the Reformers put the
Roman church right on top of the list of mass murderers through history.

Rev. Schoedel





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