The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From Christopher.Saunders@f368.n250.z1.gryn.org Thu Oct  3 12:17:59 PDT 1996
Article: 71226 of alt.revisionism
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From: Christopher.Saunders@f368.n250.z1.gryn.org (Christopher Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Holocaust debate
Date: 30 Sep 96 17:51:00
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-=> Quoting Avril Bright to Christopher Saunders <=-

 > It is very difficult  to  remove  anger and frustration when I
 > read the parrotting of propaganda that you spout.

It is difficult for me to remove anger and frustration when I see
people being prosecuted and JAILED for questioning  a  historical
event.  Have you proven  what  I  have said is "propaganda?"  Are
you saying that  the  admission  by  Deborah  Lipstadt  that  the
"Jewish  soap"  is  a  falsehood is "propaganda?"  Are you saying
that the Allied aerial  photographs  of  Auschwitz that showed NO
burning pits or huge pillars of smoke are "propaganda?"

 > I will feel more comfortable sending your message to those who
 > know more of this than I, and who can cite obscure  references
 > back to you.

I  would  love  to converse with someone who knows more about the
"Holocaust."  I would like the opportunity to present revisionist
arguments, and have  him/her  intelligently  refute them, without
referring to shrieking "anti-Semite!" or "hatemonger!"

 > ...of Elie Wiesel's and chosen to  see  it  as  some  sort  of
 > factual, linear text.

I  won't  dismiss  EVERY  "Holocaust"  eyewitness because of Elie
Wiesel's fairy  tales.   If  someone  presents credible testimony
that can be corroberated with physical evidence, then I will give
such testimony fair consideration.

 > What they have to hide, is what they did.

When I used the word "they," I mean the "Holocaust" lobby who are
going to great lengths to stifle open and  fair  debate  on  this
historical  event.   I ask, "what does the 'Holocaust' lobby have
to hide, when they use  every  means at their disposal to silence
people who question the official version of the historical  event
known as the 'Holocaust'?"

 > And this is why the slogan is "Never Forget."

I think this "Never Forget" attitude is an insult to the millions
of other people who died  in  WWII.   We never stop hearing about
how the Jews suffered, and yet how many documentaries, films  and
books  have  been  written  about the atrocities committed by the
communists?  Mao Tse-Tung  and  Joseph  Stalin killed more people
than Adolph Hitler ever did.  Modern day "Holocausts" happen  all
ove  the  world.   I have a particular interest in China, and the
plight of the  people  over  there.   I  will always remember the
students who were crush by tanks in Tienaman Square, because they
wanted to be free.  It  is  no  secret  that  the  Israelis  have
committed  horrible  acts  of terrorism.  One notable incident is
the attack on the  U.S.S.  Liberty, a lightly-armed intelligence-
gathering vessel.  There was no question that the U.S.S.  Liberty
was  a  United  States  vessel,  and yet the Israelis attacked it
mercilessly.  Why don't these  events  get  the same publicity as
the "Holocaust?"

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From Christopher.Saunders@f368.n250.z1.gryn.org Thu Oct  3 12:23:15 PDT 1996
Article: 71227 of alt.revisionism
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From: Christopher.Saunders@f368.n250.z1.gryn.org (Christopher Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Holocaust debate
Date: 01 Oct 96 10:12:00
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-=> Quoting Dwayne Mathews to Christopher Saunders <=-

 > It  is  extremely  hard  to  switch  off  your  emotions  when
 > confronted with the memory of this atrocity.

If the "Holocaust" issue is ever to be put to rest, there MUST be
a fair, open debate on  the  subject.  Both sides must be allowed
to present their information.  So far, only one side of the story
has been fully examined.

 > Anyone who  attempts  to  provide  evidence  contrary  to,  or
 > downplaying the horror of the holocaust is an idiot.

So, I'm an idiot for asking why 1944 Allied aerial photographs of
Auschwitz  did  NOT show huge pits for burning Jewish corpses, or
huge pillars of smoke?  Am I  an  idiot for asking why there such
an  overwhelming,  international  effort   to   suppress   honest
questioning and examination of this historical event?

 CS>What do these people  have  to hide?  Why are they scared
 CS>of a public, fair debate on this subject?

 > What on earth are you on about?  What is there to debate  when
 > discussing the holocaust?  Are you a skinhead?

I  am  asking  why  the  "Holocaust" lobby go to great lengths to
stifle open debate on  the  "Holocaust."  Why has questioning the
"Holocaust"  been  made ILLEGAL in many European countries?  Thre
are many things to debate, such  as the question about the Allied
aerial photographs of Auschwitz NOT  showing  any  burning  pits.
No, I'm not a skinhead.  I am a person who likes to think freely,
and explore BOTH sides of an issue before making a decision.

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From Christopher.Saunders@f368.n250.z1.gryn.org Thu Oct  3 12:24:03 PDT 1996
Article: 71228 of alt.revisionism
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From: Christopher.Saunders@f368.n250.z1.gryn.org (Christopher Saunders)
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Subject: Holocaust debate
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-=> Quoting Hans Toby to Christopher Saunders <=-

 > My parents saw evidence of  this in their hometowns in Austria
 > - people were taken away during the  war,  and  none  of  them
 > returned afterward.

I  do not deny that "something" happened in WWII in Auschwitz and
other similar camps.  I do  not  deny  that Jews and other people
were rounded up and sent to concentration camps.  What I deny  is
the  existance  of  homicidal  "gas  chambers," and an order from
Hitler to exterminate  world  Jewry.   When  you  see  mounds  of
bodies, how do you know that they died of gassing?  Where are the
autopsy  reports that indicate the cause of death was by gassing?
How do we know that these people didn't die of typhus, starvation
and other diseases?

 > You're still a kook.

I'm  a  "kook"  who  has  enough  intelligence  to  at  least ask
questions, and not accept everything that the establishment spoon
feeds me.  I have seen plausible arguments on BOTH sides  of  the
"Holocaust"  issue,  and  I  want the opportunity to examine both
sides of the story.

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From Christopher.Saunders@f368.n250.z1.gryn.org Thu Oct  3 12:29:19 PDT 1996
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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Fri Oct  4 07:05:43 PDT 1996
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From: cjsaunde@netcom.ca (Christopher Saunders)
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Subject: Re: the fraud of Holocaust denial
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 05:57:56 GMT
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>Holocaust deniers have absolutely no interest in historical
>research, as you surely appreciate. 

That is absolute rubbish!  I am a "Holocaust denier," and I am very
interested in uncovering the truth.  If, after a debate, you prove
that the "Holocaust" did indeed happen, and the likes of Ernst Zundel
are LIARS, I will change my mind on the "Holocaust."  I think it is
fair that "Holocaust huggers" have no interest in historical research,
because they suppress any attemps at honest investigation and
questioning.

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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Sat Oct  5 08:53:38 PDT 1996
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From: cjsaunde@netcom.ca (Christopher Saunders)
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Subject: Zundel and UFOs - naziufo.uue (00/13)
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I recently discovered Ernst Zundel's theory about "Hitler's Antarctic
U.F.O. bases," and other similar topics.  I have made a package of
information that I captured from the Nizkor WWW page.  I would
appreciate a response from a revisionist who can give me an
intelligent response to Mr. Zundel's claims.

Let me say that I support Mr. Zundel's right to free speech.  I
believe that he should never have been dragged through court for
publishing a book.  If he wants to question the "Holocaust," then it
is his right.  However, if Mr. Zundel DID publish information on "Nazi
UFOs" and such things, then I do believe that his credibility as an
authority on the "Holocaust' has been damaged.  I can't remember the
exact words, but there is a Roman legal principal that says something
to the effect of "false in one thing, false in everything."  

The "Holocaust" is a serious issue, and anyone who seeks to refute it
MUST have credibility, or he damages the integrity of revisionism.  I
am not suggesting that Ernst Zundel does not have good information on
the "Holocaust."  I'm just saying that if he published erroneous
information about "Nazi UFOs," one has to scrutinize his claims about
the "Holocaust," to make sure that they too are not erroneous.

For the record, I question the official version of the "Holocaust."
The main reason why I question the "Holocaust" is because of the
world-wide attempts by various parties to stifle honest, fair debate
on this subject.  I believe in intellectual freedom, and I believe
that NOTHING in history is too sacred to be immune fron questioning or
scrutinzation.

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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Sat Oct  5 09:52:43 PDT 1996
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>   (1) Given that General Foods has reported its cost was 6.5
>   millionths of a penny to obtain kosher certification for a
>   Birds-Eye product, 

I won't debate figures, because I don't have access to any figures.
However, I will tell you that I strongly object to the general food
supply being specially treated to satisfy a minority of the
population.  If General Foods and other manufacturers want to make
kosher food for Jews, that's fine.  However, they must also provide
non-kosher food for non-Jews.

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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:


>>Maybe then some readers will remember what their parents taught about the
>>machinations of the JEWS in Europe, and all the murders and genocides,
>>starting with the JEWS arranging to murder Jesus Christ.

>	Silly Grosvenor - it was the Roman authorities that were responsible!

"MAR 15:11 But the chief priests moved the people,
that he should rather release Barabbas unto them."
(KJV)

The Roman government was the tool that put Christ to death, but it was
the Chief Priests and the Pharisees who actually plotted and
maneuvered the Roman government to crucify Jesus.  Pontius Pilate saw
no guilt in him, and he actually wanted to let him go.  He finally
ordered Christ to be crucified after the peopel cried for Barabbas to
be freed, instead of Christ.  Pilate was afraid that the crowd would
become unruly if he let Christ go instead of Barabbas.

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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Sun Oct  6 11:05:44 PDT 1996
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>Given the outdated and inaccurate nature of Zundel's
>propaganda, I'd say troll's URL was right on the money, and I
>thank him for providing it.

Please provide me with some examples of Ernst Zundel's "outdated and
inaccurate...propaganda."  Everyone says that he is a liar and that
his material is "propaganda," but they have never proven it.  I am
particularly interested in Mr. Zundel's material on Nazis and UFOs.

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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Mon Oct  7 19:50:17 PDT 1996
Article: 72449 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Re: HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
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ivanpv@aol.com (IVANPV) wrote:

>Definition of "Hate" 
>Obviously, saying negative things about Jews or expressing views
>that might de-emphasize collective Jewish suffering  always constitutes
>"hate."

The word "hate" is a smear word to discredit anything the liberals
don't like.  They don't like someone asking honest questions about the
"Holocaust," so they call it "hate."

Another word that bothers me is "anti-Semitism."  It simply means
being hostile or critical of Semitic people.  There is an argument
that Arabs are also Semites, so could Jews be considered
"anti-Semitic?"  Anyway, for the sake of argument, let's assume that
the word "Semitic" refers to Jews.

The word "anti-Semite" is an insult.  When someone criticizes Jews,
they are labelled an "anti-Semite."  What if this person has reasonble
arguments against the Jews?  Should he not be allowed to publicly
communicate to others his complaint regarding the Jews?  Are the Jews
so holy and righteous that they have never, and are physically
incapable of committing any wrongdoing?  I don't think so.

> Israel's  bombing of Lebanese civilians in refugee camps and 
>machine gunning Palestinian rock throwers definitely does not constitute
>"hate."   Should these Israeli actions be called "love?"   

There is a double-standard.  Multiculturalism is being fiercely
promoted in North America, but there is NO official multicultural
policy in Israel.  Jews are allowed to fight to keep their homeland,
but when White people suggest a White homeland, they are immediately
denounced as "white supremacists."  

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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Tue Oct  8 08:32:54 PDT 1996
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From: cjsaunde@netcom.ca (Christopher Saunders)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust-What a scam!
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Lee Newton  wrote:

>The so-called holocaust is one of the biggest scams in the history
>of the world.  It NEVER happened. 

For the record, I also do not believe that the official version of the
"Holocaust" is accurate.  However, you have made a profound statement
without providing a shred of evidence.  Please prove evidence that the
"Holocaust" did not happen.  When you make statements like this
without providing any proof, you damage the integrity of revisionism.

>The only thing that did happen  is that a bunch of jews have gotten      
>lots of money from  lots of slimy politicians.

I believe you are talking about the billions of dollars that Israel
has syphoned out of Germany in "war reparations."  They continue to
syphon money out of Germany, and, for no apparant reason, the United
States.

>By the way, McOyVay, be sure to archive this!  Do try to spell my
>name right.

Don't flatter yourself.  With a message as unintelligent as this, I
don't think Mr. McVey would waste valuable disk space.  Calling Mr.
McVey "McOyVey" also damages revisionism.  We're called "hatemongers,"
and your message gives credence to that label.  Our enemies like to
name-call, because usually they cannot come up with intelligent
arguments.  Don't sink down to their level.

[end of sermon]

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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Tue Oct  8 08:32:55 PDT 1996
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From: cjsaunde@netcom.ca (Christopher Saunders)
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Subject: Re: "antisemitism"
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:

>In short, Mr. Saunders, you appear to labour under a misconception with 
>regard to the word, and to its history. This is not a case for "the sake 
>of argument," this is a case for doing your homework, and knowing a bit 
>about the origin of the term.

I am not going to go to the library and spend hours researching one
single word.  I have better things to do with my time.  I am using the
word "anti-semitism" in its modern context, which is hatred for, or
hostility towards Jewish people.  This is how my Webster's dictionary
defines it (specifically, "anti-Semitism n. hostility or prejudice
against the Jews.")

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From cjsaunde@netcom.ca Fri Oct 25 09:00:45 PDT 1996
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Subject: Rich Graves is a liar
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 > Yes, we know.  This is my therapy.  I finally
 > found something I'm really good at." --
 > Christopher Saunders

First you accuse me of accessing someone's newfeed
without their permission, which is a lie; I have
three legitimate accounts to the Internet.  Now,
you mock me because of what I said in a television
interview.  I have health problems, and my BBS has
been beneficial to me.  If you find this funny or
amusing, then you are indeed a shallow person.
The subject matter of my BBS is irrelevant, and
not anyone's business.  We have freedom of speech
and expression in this country.

 > If you would like to hear Christopher Saunders
 > and Marc Lemire speak about their activities,
 > download http://www.c2.org/~rich/Press/
 > intervw.wav

Character assassination is a common tactic for the
enemies of freedom (you), when they don't have
anything intelligent to say.  The people who put
together that slicky-edited propaganda film were
so desparate to make Ernst Zundel look bad, they
mentioned that close to where he does his office/
publishing, he does his laundry.  Duh, what do you
expect in a HOME-RUN business?  They asked me why
I started my BBS.  I told them the deaths of
Gorgina Leimonis, Constable Todd Baylis were my
primary motivators.  Why didn't they put this in?
They also lied about me, saying I was a "20 year
old, unemployed high school dropout."  I never
mentioned my employment status with them, nor my
level of education.  Finally, in a desperate
attempt to hurt us, they stated Marc's employer.
The best word I can use to describe them is
"pathetic."

I certainly put my foot in my mouth during that
interview, but it was my first television
interview, and I was nervous.  Unlike you, I have
courage.  I have the courage to put myself in-the-
line-of-fire and fight for what I believe in.  All
you can do is join the tired-old communist game of
mocking and attacking your opponents' characters.

Oh, I am not mentioned at all in the SIRC report,
so please get your facts straight.  The Grant
Bristow affair, and a recent *VIDEOTAPED* admition
by *TWO* CSIS agents that the ARA were responsible
for torching Ernst Zundel's house, have proven
that CSIS is a rogue element, and is a threat to
freedom in Canada.  Heck, the CSIS agents referred
to CSIS as "Canada's political police!"  Before
you rely upon documents such as the SIRC report,
be sure to know what kind of organization you're
dealing with.






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