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From anthonys@infobahnos.com Wed Aug 20 15:48:59 EDT 1997
Article: 133992 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Extreme Propaganda??: Shogun speaks
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Mark Van Alstine  wrote in article
...
> In article <01bcad25$66d324c0$7ab113cc@odin>, "Anthony Sabatini"
>  wrote:
> 
> > [Gord McPhee's original post has not yet reached my news server, so I am
using
> > Mark's to reply to both.]
> > 
> > Mark Van Alstine  wrote in article
> > ...
> > > In article <33fa4194$1$tzpsrr$mr2ice@news3.ibm.net>, Gord McFee
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > In <01bcacb7$c0897dc0$7db113cc@odin>, on 08/19/97 
> > > >    at 03:54 PM, "Anthony Sabatini"  said:
> > >  
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > > :>I think you misunderstand my intentions. I don't want to engage in a
> > > > :>flamewar with the Ostroll. I will simply pound away at her until she
> > > > :>learns how to act with me. There are no ifs, ands or buts here.
> > > > 
> > > > I never presumed to understand your intentions.  But I remind you of
> > > > your own words, which are normally construed as flamewar material:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > (1) And she's gonna pay for it, too. Hey, no guts, no glory (2)
> > > > "Wrinkled"? You old crone! Would you like me to publish a pic of you
> > > > (the one you've got on your Web pages) and we'll see who's "wrinkled".
> > > > (3) Yes, and if she continues I will certainly "get" to her in this
> > > > conference. Make no mistake about it. I can be and am prepared to take
> > > > the gloves off with regards to Hilary. (4) As I said, Miss Ostrov only
> > > > plays with herself.
> > 
> > I did not say #4 above.
> 
> That was "MIchael" in message-id <33f26ca1.8448307@news.hollinet.com>.
> 
> However, you Nazis are hard to tell apart sometimes. Y'all tend to bleat in
key.

LOL! The Holo-clone (tm) drone speaketh!

> > > > (5) I suppose that you'd have to be a "lady" to begin with, but I
> > > > digress... (6) Old "Suck bucks" can be annoying Gord.
> > 
> > I did not say #6 above.
> 
> That was "MIchael" in message-id <33f26ca1.8448307@news.hollinet.com>.
> 
> However, you Nazis are hard to tell apart sometimes. Y'all tend to bleat in
key.

LOL! The Holo-clone (tm) drone speaketh!

> > > > (7) Indeed, you withered old crone. "Come get some!" - Duke Nukem (8)
> > > > Truly? And yet here you are trying to get the first shot in. Hilary,
you
> > > > really are a little shit. I'm beginning to understand why your
> > > > ex-husband is no longer with you. (9) Hardly. Now go back to squatting
> > > > under your bridge, O Ancient Troll! (10) Actually, you are simply
trying
> > > > to obfuscate -- a la Holo-clone (tm) game of Gobble-talk (tm) --
because
> > > > I've been right on target about you. You really are such a useless old
> > > > hag.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > :>> I am surprised Ms. Ostrov is showing so much restraint here; she
> > > > :>> may feel sorry for you.  
> > > > 
> > > > :>Ha!
> > > > 
> > > > Glad you are enjoying yourself.
> > > 
> > > Little things for little minds....
> > 
> > Indeed. That is why Markie-pooh continues to post penile-related remarks;
he's
> > projecting _and_ proving that old axiom above!
> 
> On the contrary, O' Little One! I comment on your obviously small-minded
> thoughts and the first thing that pops into your teensy mind (hand?) is
> your penis! How revealing! (Or should I say how _unrevealing_!) Methinks
> thou protests too much O' Yea of Little Length.

And yet it is _you_ who are the master of all things penile-related in this
newsgroup...

> > > > :>> Remember, *you* invoked Duke Nukem.  };->
> > > > 
> > > > :>Yes, but the Ostroll started all of this.
> > > > 
> > > > Did she?
> > 
> > Yes. I remind you that Hilary is the one that jumped into a thread with 
> > nothing but insults; she added *nothing* to the discussion.
> 
> Like Mr. "Sabatini" should talk! 

Now, now, mon petit jouet! I have never claimed that I don't insult people, but
you of all people should be aware that:

a) I don't insult others unless the other person starts

b) I do post articles relating to the Holocaust and it's mendacious (mis-) use.

> > > Mr. "Sabatini" sounds like a little bully being dragged to the
principal's
> > > office by the ear after getting his just deserts: "Owwww! She started
it!"
> > 
> > "Bully"? Moi? Surely not! 
> 
> Literary license, Mr. "Sabatini." You don't have the balls to be a bully
> of _any_ stature. If you wish to me to be more accurate, I suppose I could
> amend my comment to "little prick"....

But you'd only be projecting. Again. And you have displayed your penchant for
penile-related comments. Again. Tsk, tsk.

> > If anything, you Nizkooks are certainly the "bullies"
> > here!
> 
> If anything, Mr. "Sabatini's" inferiority complex comes to the front. Again. 

If you mean that I'm not an arrogant SOB, then yes, I would agree with you.

> [snip]
> 
> > > Yes, Mr. "Sabatini" is perilously close to the same fate as the
> > > Giwer-swine. Perhaps, as a precaution, he should lock the liquor cabinet?
> > 
> > I only drink socially, apart from the occasional beer or liqueur at home.
> 
> A healthy practice, considering the alternative....
> 
> > > Perhaps that will slow his quickening slide into gibbering irrelevancy? 
> > 
> > Don't you fret, Markie-pooh.
> 
> Fretting over Mr. "Sabatini" demise is assuredly the farthest thing from
mind!

Yes, I know. Nazis, anti-Semites, wascally 'deniers' and, of course, penises
are the closest thing to your mind judging from your posts.

> > > > Rather than pound Ms. Ostrov into submission, why don't you display
your
> > > > analytical skills and tear her posts apart logically if you can?  
> > 
> > But that's the whole point! Hilary doesn't post anything other than petty
> > insults and snide remarks! Haven't you been paying attention? Or have you
> > forgotten how this started? Go to Deja News and review the chronology,
please.
> > 
> > > Aye, and _that's_ rub! Mr. "Sabatini" _can't_! Hence "plan 'B'" -i.e.
> > > empty rhetoric and bluster. 
> > 
> > Bah! You're just sore because I haven't been giving you enough attention.
> 
> Sore? Hardly. More like dissapointed. Especislly when you, like a "brave"
> Nazi, tucked tail and quickly fled after parroting Raven's denier pablum
> on gas chamber doors. I so enjoyed taking you to task for your ignorance
> on that and was a bit dissapointed when you slunk away.

I brought up that topic because I was interested in people's opinions. Since
you gladly jumped in, I should be grateful. But then again, you have merely
shown once again who the puppet is.

> > Don't worry, Markie-pooh, you'll soon have my undivided attention!  :-)
> 
> Oh, goody! Does that mean we can continue with debunking Raven's denier
> pablum on the gas chamber doors -and your ignorance about such as well? 

No, I'm through with gas chamber doors. Perhaps we'll try something else?

> > > > You may find that you have a body of agreement on some of the issues
and
> > > > engage in some enlightening debate on others.  By the way, yelling
> > > > "Ostroll" and the other insults noted above at her, doesn't do it; it
> > > > simply shows that you can't keep your cool, that she is shamelessly
> > > > manipulating you and she wins again.  
> > 
> > She is "manipulating" no one. Your statement is -- pardon my expression --
a
> > crock 'o shit.
> 
> Hmm. Seems like Ms. Ostrov isn't the only one who like to pull Mr.
> "Sabatini's" strings....

In your not-so-humble opinion, who else?

> > > Of course! Is there _really_ any doubt about the outcome? Poor Mr.
> > > "Sabatini" is out of his league and in deep waters _way_ over his head. 
> > 
> > LOL!...
> 
> It _is_ amusing! Mr. "Sabatini" is so dazed and confused he can't see the
> forest for the trees! 
> 
> > Poor Markie-pooh! Perhaps _he's_ the one that needs the warning regarding
> > the abuse of alcohol given his wild lunges into, er, 'explaining' things
the
> > way he sees 'em.
> 
> One can lead an ass to water and all.... 

But we can never make you drink, right?

> One hopes Mr. "Sabatini" brought
> his water-wings!  

Lazy! I've already brought you to the watering-hole. You'll simply have to
avail yourself to some.

> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > > :>"Fatbroad" and (pardon me) "presenting on one's back".
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, and as I explained, she manipulated him into doing that.  It was
> > > > one of Matty's most embarrassing performances on Usenet and he still
> > > > curses the day he was shown up so badly.
> > > 
> > > Quite true. It should be pointed however, that the Giwer-swine _excels_
at
> > > being "shown up so badly." It's hard _not_ to "show up" such a besotted
> > > lunatic! Something Mr. "Sabatini" would do well to keep in mind on his
> > > long slide into gibbering irrelevancy....
> > 
> > But I'm certain that you'll be there to break my fall, won't you
Markie-pooh? 
> 
> Only if I'm rolling on the floor incapacited from laughing at Mr. "Sabatini"!


IOW, you _will_ be there at the bottom, just as many already suspected!

> [snip]
> 
> > > > :>Yes, and it was apparent that the old crone couldn't hack 'em.
> > > > 
> > > > Hack 'em?  She played him like a puppet.  Re-read the exchanges.
> > 
> > I have. I don't agree with your interpretation of those events.
> 
> That's to be expected. The one who the butt of the joke is often the last
> to clue in....

Is that why your often so burly and all bent outta shape?

> > > True. In those exchanges the Giwer-swine reminded me of fish on a line
> > > being played with. (One might wonder if Mr. "Sabatini" is feeling the
hook
> > > yet?)  
> > 
> > The only lines I feel are those which I use to toy with you, Markie-pooh.
> > Remember, you're _still_ my little plaything.
> 
> Nope. Try reaching into your pants. That where your _little_ "plaything" is!

"On the contrary, O' Little One! I comment on [your being my puppet] and the
first thing that pops into your teensy mind (hand?) is [a] penis! How
revealing! (Or should I say how _unrevealing_!) Methinks thou protests too much
O' Yea of Little Length." - Mark Van Alstine in previous message.

"Hoist on your own petard." - Mark Van Alstine in numerous posts.

"Doh!" - Mark Van Alstine providing evidence that he is Homer Simpson's
long-lost brother.

[silly .sig and VanSlander (tm) vaporized with 'giant death ray' (tm)]

Mark Van Alstine (allegedly one Stuart Pidley) is, as far as I can tell, a
virulent spewer of mistruths, a slanderous serpent and has a most peculiar
interest for building demolition procedures, something which most honest
citizens do not share. His ranting, mewling and temper tantrums, along with
his foul verbiage and assorted excrement, can be found regularly in
alt.revisionism, one of his favorite haunts.

For more information on this misbegotten jackal-spawn, please see:

http://search.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=van%20alstine%20mark
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/v/van-alstine.mark


From anthonys@infobahnos.com Wed Aug 27 20:54:11 EDT 1997
Article: 134542 of alt.revisionism
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Gord McFee  wrote in article
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> In <345de815.355773666@199.0.216.204>, on 08/22/97 
>    at 01:15 AM, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) said:
> 
> 
> :>>The Nizkor Project   
> :>	Hate site
> 
> :>>Kenneth McVay, OBC Director
> :>	Hate criminal   
> 
> Ah, zeyde, why are you so perturbed lately>  Those grandchildren do
> something naughty?

Weren't you the one telling me the line in this newsgroup is drawn at personal
remarks? (Yes, Doc Tony stated it, but you replied with a 'Well said' or
something along those lines.) I shall remember this the next time you decide to
interfere in any quarrels I have with the Ostroll.

[.sig rejected]



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Wed Aug 27 20:54:16 EDT 1997
Article: 134823 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Conspiracy
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greatdane@mindspring.com wrote in article <3402F251.3F53@mindspring.com>...
> Anthony Sabatini wrote:
> > 
> > greatdane@mindspring.com wrote in article <3402B1FD.2661@mindspring.com>...
> > > HWolski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Conspiracy
> > > > >From: "Slawomir Popiel" 
> > > >
> > > > >Again, Jan is a male, and I hope that he can take the matter into his
own
> > > > >hands, or rather under his own pen, should I say. Jan stands for John.
> > > >
> > > > Unless we all missed something here, why did he call a male a slut? 
Men
> > > > don't call men sluts? Is this a homosexual term used by queers like
when
> > > > they call each other a bitch? Looks like Hermie's homosexuality slipped
> > > > out again. Lot's of things are slipping out with the Hermie motley crew
of
> > > > liars and deceiver's. This is funny stuff. LOL
> > >
> > > HWolski's interpretation of the english language is lacking.
> > > Note that it is Wolski, once again, who mentions "homosexual".
> > > While I do not write about homosexuals, HWolski has mentioned the word
> > > homosexuals on numerous occaisions. This must be on his mind or else why
> > > would he keep bringing it up?
> > > As far as the term "slut" that I used in reference to Jan, HWolski could
> > > have asked asked me instead of concocting a story. The difference is
> > > between human beings who use their intellect and the old, illiterate
> > > peasants who clubbed Jews to death because they heard a rumor that "Jews
> > > used gentiles blood to make matzos" or other insanities.
> > > HWolski is just a throwback type. He does not ask. He concocts stories.
> > 
> > Ha! *You* of all people have no right to talk about "concocting stories",
> > Herman. You are among the worst offenders on Usenet for slandering people
with
> > wild allegations and tales *you've* "concocted" simply because someone does
not
> > agree with your delusions.
> > 
> > As far as I'm concerned (and I know I'm not alone in this regard), you are
only
> > getting your richly-deserved reward for months of running amok on Usenet.
> > 
> > It couldn't have happened to a more deserving little twerp.
> > 
> > Cheerio, old chap!
>
> Another neo-Nazi revisionist adding support to HWolski. 

I am "adding support" to no one, you self-proclaimed moral jackass.

> Interestingly
> enough, he too did not spell out a single charge against me, just
> blather.

Interested readers my peruse your rather large file at Deja News for reams of
"charges" where you accuse others of being Nazis (you did it again *in this
very post!*), anti-Semites, and God knows what else! Like I said, Herman, you
are among the worst offenders on Usenet regarding slander and near-libel, so
you haven't a goddamn leg to stand on accusing others of "concocting stories".

You're insane, Herman. Get some help. Real soon.

====

People you just _know_ are doomed:

Mike Stewart, 31, of Dallas was filming a movie in 1983 on the dangers of
low-level bridges when the truck he was standing on passed under -- you guessed
it -- a low-level bridge, killing him.




From anthonys@infobahnos.com Wed Aug 27 20:54:18 EDT 1997
Article: 134894 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Conspiracy
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greatdane@mindspring.com wrote in article <3402B1FD.2661@mindspring.com>...
> HWolski wrote:
> > 
> > >Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Conspiracy
> > >From: "Slawomir Popiel" 
> > 
> > >Again, Jan is a male, and I hope that he can take the matter into his own
> > >hands, or rather under his own pen, should I say. Jan stands for John.
> > 
> > Unless we all missed something here, why did he call a male a slut?  Men
> > don't call men sluts? Is this a homosexual term used by queers like when
> > they call each other a bitch? Looks like Hermie's homosexuality slipped
> > out again. Lot's of things are slipping out with the Hermie motley crew of
> > liars and deceiver's. This is funny stuff. LOL
> 
> HWolski's interpretation of the english language is lacking.
> Note that it is Wolski, once again, who mentions "homosexual".
> While I do not write about homosexuals, HWolski has mentioned the word
> homosexuals on numerous occaisions. This must be on his mind or else why
> would he keep bringing it up?
> As far as the term "slut" that I used in reference to Jan, HWolski could
> have asked asked me instead of concocting a story. The difference is
> between human beings who use their intellect and the old, illiterate
> peasants who clubbed Jews to death because they heard a rumor that "Jews
> used gentiles blood to make matzos" or other insanities.
> HWolski is just a throwback type. He does not ask. He concocts stories.

Ha! *You* of all people have no right to talk about "concocting stories",
Herman. You are among the worst offenders on Usenet for slandering people with
wild allegations and tales *you've* "concocted" simply because someone does not
agree with your delusions.

As far as I'm concerned (and I know I'm not alone in this regard), you are only
getting your richly-deserved reward for months of running amok on Usenet.

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving little twerp.

Cheerio, old chap!



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Wed Aug 27 20:54:19 EDT 1997
Article: 134909 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: ***J*WISH WORD TWISTING**** (beware)
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Charles Power  wrote in article <5tuc6i$4du@clark.net>...
> "Anthony Sabatini"  writes:
> 
> >> Funny, I could have sworn that you quoted Michael Lerner's complaint 
> >> about the Simon Wiesenthal Center from "the media". Or was this a 
> >> private conversation you were remembering?
> 
> >Actually, it was more along the lines of the latter. I apologize for
bringing
> >it up here as it had little to do with the topic.
> 
> It has everything to do with the topic. You quoted from a published
> book. That is part of "the media," Anthony, which gives the lie to
> any implication that "the media" are monolithically oriented the other
> way.

No one has ever claimed that "the media are monolithically oriented". However,
they seem to be indeed slanted in the same general direction.

[.sig booted outta here]



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Mon Sep  1 21:20:32 EDT 1997
Article: 135177 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Apology to Herman and Chuck
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
References: <01bcb445$96d1b480$6971f4cc@alan> <34078418$3$tzpsrr$mr2ice@news2.ibm.net>
Organization: Infobahn Inc.
Message-ID: <01bcb4f0$45334570$de718bcf@odin>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160
NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.139.113.222
Date: 30 Aug 97 02:58:53 GMT
Lines: 63
Path: news2.trends.ca!hub.org!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!207.139.113.222
Xref: news2.trends.ca alt.revisionism:135177

Gord McFee  wrote in article
<34078418$3$tzpsrr$mr2ice@news2.ibm.net>...
> In <01bcb445$96d1b480$6971f4cc@alan>, on 08/29/97 
>    at 05:29 AM, "ONEMARINE"  said:
> 
> 
> > I see now that you are both honest and are
> > veterans.
> 
> 
> > I apologise for casting dispertions on your
> > records
> 
> Why do I suspect that onemarine did not write this post?  };->

Indeed, take a look at the headers for the (suspected fraudulent) post in
question:

From: "ONEMARINE" 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Apology to Herman and Chuck
Date: 29 Aug 1997 05:29:56 GMT
Organization: grouptelecom customer
Lines: 8
Message-ID: <01bcb445$96d1b480$6971f4cc@alan>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.113.105
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155
Path: news.total.net!news.insinc.net!news.gt.ca!not-for-mail

Compare with ONEMARINE's usual message header:

From: onemarine@aol.com (ONEMARINE)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Conspiracy
Date: 28 Aug 1997 00:31:31 GMT
Lines: 6
Message-ID: <19970828003101.UAA28536@ladder02.news.aol.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com
X-Admin: news@aol.com
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
References: <34037c85$4$tzpsrr$mr2ice@news3.ibm.net>
SnewsLanguage: English
Path:
news.total.net!supernews.com!news.ktb.net!news.cs.ucla.edu!news.greennet.net
!thoth.nilenet.com!mint.net!news-xfer.atlantic.net!news.shreve.net!logbridge
.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbn
planet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.co
m!not-for-mail

Note how the incompetent forger didn't even bother to change the
"Organization" field. Also note how the "NNTP-Posting-Host"
(204.244.113.105 in the case of the suspect message) is a fraudulent IP
address. And, of course, the message did not come from AOL, ONEMARINE's
usual ISP; it came from an ISP called GroupTelecom in Canada
(http://www.gt.ca), posted by someone named -- in all probability -- Alan.

> It rings a bell or two.

Do you have a particular suspect in mind? If so, please share it with the
rest of us.

[.sig snipped]



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Mon Sep  1 21:20:35 EDT 1997
Article: 135234 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Jews are ON TOPIC for alt.revisionism
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
References: <33EE0685.1BCC@gstis.net> <5tb5kp$3ki@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <34007ED9.3D4ECF4D@ix.netcom.com> <5u883s$ss@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
Organization: Infobahn Inc.
Message-ID: <01bcb556$6ede2b40$d774cdcd@odin>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.205.116.215
Date: 30 Aug 97 15:10:12 GMT
Lines: 74
Path: news2.trends.ca!hub.org!news.IAEhv.nl!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uunet.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.total.net!205.205.116.215
Xref: news2.trends.ca alt.revisionism:135234

Jenn Starkman  wrote in article
<5u883s$ss@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
> In article <34007ED9.3D4ECF4D@ix.netcom.com>,
>    Jerry Abbott  wrote:
> >Jenn Starkman wrote:
> >> 
> >> In article <33EE0685.1BCC@gstis.net>, FELIX  wrote:
> >> >Fellow White men,
> >> >
> >> >  Do not heed the hysterical rantings of those who claim that
> >> >discussions of Jews, and Israel, and racial matters in general are
off
> >> >topic to alt.revisionism.  These claims are absurd.
> >> 
> >> Really?
> >> 
> >> Then what, SPECIFICALLY, do discussions of Jews, Israel, and "racial 
> >> matters in general", have to do with revisionism?
> >
> >Well, you see, some of us seem to think that the Jews are a race and
> >that they lie a little to get support for Israel, and that among these
> >lies is the Holocaust tale.  Is that specific enough, or do I need to
> >make it clearer?
> 
> Oh no, your response is perfectly clear; too bad it doesn't actually
answer 
> the question.

It does explain Mr. Abbott's view of these matters. You merely reject his
opinion, inferring that _yours_ is somehow right. Tsk, tsk.

> The fact is that you still haven't explained what it is about the Jews
(other 
> than as they relate to the Holocaust, specifically), exactly, that has to
do 
> with revisionism.

He did. Re-read his message.

> Nor have you explained what it is about Israel (except for a discussion, 
> perhaps, that somehow related to the Holocaust), exactly, that has to do
with 
> revisionism.

He did. Re-read his message.

> Nor have you explained what it is about "racial matters in general",
exactly, 
> that has to do with revisionism.

He did. Re-read his message.

> All you've done is tenuously link those subjects with the Holocaust,
which 
> happens to be an appropriate subject here.

He answered your question with his viewpoint. Again, all _you_ did was
stamp your little feet and claim that he was wrong -- without any rebuttal,
no less -- Because! You! Say! So!

> Does that mean that ANYTHING that can AT ALL be linked to the Holocaust
(ie, a 
> discussion of my 3rd cousin's hobbies because he happens to be a
Holocaust 
> survivor) is appropriately discussed in a forum on revisionism?

Actually, yes. This is not a moderated group, dearie.

[.sigs blasted]

BTW, why is it that whenever I read a post ranting about off-topic
messages, 8 out of 10 ten times the name "Jenn Starkman" appears somewhere
in the text? Coincidence, or...?



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Mon Sep  1 21:20:36 EDT 1997
Article: 135277 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Bellinger
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
References: <340625FB.7674@capital.net> <19970830172201.NAA24207@ladder01.news.aol.com> 
Organization: Infobahn Inc.
Message-ID: <01bcb571$c484f130$2f56eccd@odin>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.236.86.47
Date: 30 Aug 97 18:25:53 GMT
Lines: 57
Path: news2.trends.ca!hub.org!news.IAEhv.nl!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.total.net!205.236.86.47
Xref: news2.trends.ca alt.revisionism:135277

Mark Van Alstine  wrote in article
...
> In article <19970830172201.NAA24207@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> rwhita8200@aol.com (RWhita8200) wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >  I wonder if this Juerge would have the courage to take the other side
of
> > this question?   It takes no courage in Germany to speak for the
Holocaust,
> > because anyone there who speaks against it goes to prison.
> 
> Leave it to Booby to insinuate that championing denier stupidities and
> lies is an act of courage! 

>From  The American Heritage (R) Dictionary of the English Language, Third
Edition:

cour·age (kūr¹īj, kłr¹-) noun
The state or quality of mind or spirit that enables one to face danger,
fear, or vicissitudes with self-possession, confidence, and resolution;
bravery.

 [Middle English corage, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin *corāticum,
>from  Latin cor.]

Please explain why revisionists, particularly in Europe, are not courageous
given the fact they may face imprisonment, fines, beatings, slander and
other forms of harassment for their views. 

Also see: http://www.codoh.com/thoughtcrimes/thoughtcrimes.html

Try to make it entertaining.

> >     I believe that a German has no right to argue for the Holocaust
here,
> > because other Germans cannot argue against it here. 
> 
> Who _cares_ what Booby the Nazi believes? Not I. 

But you certainly cared enough to reply and comment on his post. Strange,
that.

[silly .sig "vaporized" with 'giant death ray']

Mark Van Alstine (allegedly one Stuart Pidley) is, as far as I can tell, a
virulent spewer of mistruths, a slanderous serpent and has a most peculiar
interest for building demolition procedures, something which most honest
citizens do not share. His ranting, mewling and temper tantrums, along with
his foul verbiage and assorted excrement, can be found regularly in
alt.revisionism, one of his favorite haunts.

For more information on this misbegotten jackal-spawn, please see:

http://search.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=van%20alstine%20mark
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/v/van-alstine.mark


From anthonys@infobahnos.com Mon Sep  1 21:20:37 EDT 1997
Article: 135279 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Do you agree with this?
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
References: <34083a30.39818998@news.nmia.com> <19970830153401.LAA24771@ladder02.news.aol.com> 
Organization: Infobahn Inc.
Message-ID: <01bcb572$d7afc090$2f56eccd@odin>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.236.86.47
Date: 30 Aug 97 18:33:35 GMT
Lines: 66
Path: news2.trends.ca!hub.org!news-fra.maz.net!bignews.guetersloh.mediaways.net!news-han1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!wuff.mayn.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.total.net!205.236.86.47
Xref: news2.trends.ca alt.revisionism:135279

Mark Van Alstine  wrote in article
...
> In article <19970830153401.LAA24771@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> rwhita8200@aol.com (RWhita8200) blathered:
> 
> >       I've lost the posting, but Whitey said I made an antisemitic
comment.
> > Specificially, he said my statement, "There is money in dead Jews,
> > there is no money in dead Russian peasants", was aimed at Jews.
> >        That is a Poltically Correct myth....
> 
> Nope. That was an obvious conclusion based Booby's stupid anti-Semitic
> blather. In Booby's very first sentances of his bizarre anti-Semtic
denier
> tirade he tipped his hand: 
> 
> Subject:      WWII vets can learn from Jewish outfits
> From:         Bob Whitaker 
> Date:         1997/05/05
> Message-Id:   <336E4806.6FE1@conterra.com>
> Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism
> 
> 
> 
> Watching the news reports of another milking of the Holocaust today
> reminded me of the sheer enterprise of Jewish organizations. For over a
> half century, I have watched two groups milk the Holocaust: Jewish
> organizations and World War II veterans' outfits. Anything that
threatened
> the primacy of the Holocaust over dead Russian peasants or Chinese
> massacres was immediately protested.
> 
> 
> 
> That the lilly-livered Booby blusters and backpedals so when his
> mendacious anti-Semitic insults come back to haunt him simply highlights
> that yard-wide yellow streak running down his back.

Um, excuse me. What, exactly, was anti-Semitic about Mr. Whitaker's
comments you quoted above? All I see is Bob criticizing "Jewish
organizations" and "WWII veterans' outfits". Since we can safely assume you
don't see anything anti-Semitic about criticizing the latter, perhaps you'd
care to explain why the former should be shielded from criticism with the
patented "anti-Semitic (tm)" rallying call. Is it _because_ the groups in
question are Jewish? Please be specific.

> What a Nazi clown.

What a Nizkook.

> [Booby's booring anti-Semitic blather snipped]

[silly .sig "vaporized" with 'giant death ray']

Mark Van Alstine (allegedly one Stuart Pidley) is, as far as I can tell, a
virulent spewer of mistruths, a slanderous serpent and has a most peculiar
interest for building demolition procedures, something which most honest
citizens do not share. His ranting, mewling and temper tantrums, along with
his foul verbiage and assorted excrement, can be found regularly in
alt.revisionism, one of his favorite haunts.

For more information on this craven cur, please see:

http://search.dejanews.com/profile.xp?author=van%20alstine%20mark
http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/v/van-alstine.mark



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Mon Sep  1 21:20:38 EDT 1997
Article: 135281 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: [NEWS] Switzerland Gives Cool Welcome to Zionists
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Organization: Infobahn Inc.
Message-ID: <01bcb570$b6889420$2f56eccd@odin>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.236.86.47
Date: 30 Aug 97 18:18:20 GMT
Lines: 38
Path: news2.trends.ca!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!supernews.com!SupernewsFH!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news.total.net!205.236.86.47
Xref: news2.trends.ca alt.revisionism:135281

The following article appeared in the Montreal Gazette on August 30, 1997
and is reproduced below for those interested. My comments appear in square
brackets ([]).

< begin article >

_Switzerland Gives Cool Welcome to Zionists_

Associated Press

BASEL, Switzerland -- Theodor Herzl founded the Zionist movement 100 years
ago in a Swiss city he chose for its tolerance -- but its residents have
given a cool welcome to the 700 Jews who came to mark the centennial.

The Swiss hosts -- facing criticism by Jewish groups over their country's
War II [sic] role -- have complained about the cost of the five-day
centennial and the inconvenience of the heavy security.

Resentment is widespread in Switzerland after 2-1/2 years of international
allegations that the neutral country was Nazi Germany's banker and siphoned
off Jewish assets. In some cases, the resentment has manifested itself in
the form of anti-Semitism.

[What of the "assets" of non-Jews? Or don't those count, too? What,
exactly, was wrong with banks conducting _banking transactions_ during the
war? And what "form of anti-Semitism" is the author talking about? No
examples are given, let alone any proof.]

Coupled with this is the sympathy for the rights of Palestinians that runs
strong in most European countries.

The first Zionist Congress was organized by Herzl, a Viennese journalist,
and held in Basel on Aug. 29-31. His goal -- attained in the eventual
creation of Israel -- was a legal home for Jewish people in Palestine, then
part of the Ottoman Empire.

< end article >



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Mon Sep  1 21:20:40 EDT 1997
Article: 135355 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Allo! Mike Stein? Mike? Are you there? (was: Why Does Nizkor Archive Posts In This Newsgroup?)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
References: <01bcb419$dc3d7ad0$1b718bcf@ODIN> <5uanpt$kc5@access4.digex.net>
Organization: Infobahn Inc.
Message-ID: <01bcb5c2$06f4a330$6ba2cdcd@odin>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.205.162.107
Date: 31 Aug 97 04:00:39 GMT
Lines: 46
Path: news2.trends.ca!hub.org!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1!iagnet.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!205.205.162.107
Xref: news2.trends.ca alt.revisionism:135355

Michael P. Stein  wrote in article
<5uanpt$kc5@access4.digex.net>...
> In article <01bcb419$dc3d7ad0$1b718bcf@ODIN>,
> Anthony Sabatini  wrote:
> >A few days ago, Mike Stein replied to a post of mine with as follows,
> >courtesy of Deja News:
> >
> [snip]
> 
> >Ever ready to be of service, I would like to point Mike to the Shofar
> >'people' archives at Nizkor, those infamous smear files often discussed
in
> >this newsgroup.
> >
> >Mr. Stein, please explain why my file [1] includes posts from August 27
of
> >this year, but the last message found in yours [2] is dated January 15,
> >1997.
> 
>     I answered this already; since I don't have your true email address I
> could not send you a copy.

Sorry about that, but I prefer to keep my new e-mail address private for a
while longer. Thanks for the reply, though.

> Just because of the naming convention used for
> the file, and the fact that I can see nothing that would make that one
> message interesting, 

There are 5 messages of mine in that file.

> my guess is that it was an accidental reactivation of
> the killfile used to collect your posts, or maybe it was crossposted to a
> group where the collection killfile was still in effect.  

The former answer is more likely than the latter since only two of the
posts archived are cross-posted to other groups; the others were posted on
alt.revisionism only.

> But Ken McVay is
> the only one who can give you a definitive answer.

Well, perhaps Mr. McVay would be so kind as to publicly field this one.

[.sig ejected]



From anthonys@infobahnos.com Mon Sep  1 21:20:46 EDT 1997
Article: 135515 of alt.revisionism
From: "Anthony Sabatini" 
Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Conspiracy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.usa
References: <01bcb1c0$ef338720$0100007f@smp1> <19970826032901.XAA09444@ladder02.news.aol.com> <3402B1FD.2661@mindspring.com>
Organization: Infobahn
Message-ID: <01bcb22d$fa7d7650$f27acdcd@odin>
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1160
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.205.122.242
Date: 26 Aug 97 14:43:50 GMT
Lines: 39
Path: news2.trends.ca!hub.org!news.cs.ucla.edu!nntp.info.ucla.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.241.0.91!news.sesqui.net!rice!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!news.total.net!205.205.122.242
Xref: news2.trends.ca soc.culture.polish:63123 alt.revisionism:135515 soc.culture.usa:166920

greatdane@mindspring.com wrote in article <3402B1FD.2661@mindspring.com>...
> HWolski wrote:
> > 
> > >Subject: Re: Anti-Polish Conspiracy
> > >From: "Slawomir Popiel" 
> > 
> > >Again, Jan is a male, and I hope that he can take the matter into his own
> > >hands, or rather under his own pen, should I say. Jan stands for John.
> > 
> > Unless we all missed something here, why did he call a male a slut?  Men
> > don't call men sluts? Is this a homosexual term used by queers like when
> > they call each other a bitch? Looks like Hermie's homosexuality slipped
> > out again. Lot's of things are slipping out with the Hermie motley crew of
> > liars and deceiver's. This is funny stuff. LOL
> 
> HWolski's interpretation of the english language is lacking.
> Note that it is Wolski, once again, who mentions "homosexual".
> While I do not write about homosexuals, HWolski has mentioned the word
> homosexuals on numerous occaisions. This must be on his mind or else why
> would he keep bringing it up?
> As far as the term "slut" that I used in reference to Jan, HWolski could
> have asked asked me instead of concocting a story. The difference is
> between human beings who use their intellect and the old, illiterate
> peasants who clubbed Jews to death because they heard a rumor that "Jews
> used gentiles blood to make matzos" or other insanities.
> HWolski is just a throwback type. He does not ask. He concocts stories.

Ha! *You* of all people have no right to talk about "concocting stories",
Herman. You are among the worst offenders on Usenet for slandering people with
wild allegations and tales *you've* "concocted" simply because someone does not
agree with your delusions.

As far as I'm concerned (and I know I'm not alone in this regard), you are only
getting your richly-deserved reward for months of running amok on Usenet.

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving little twerp.

Cheerio, old chap!




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