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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: Re: Impossible statistics in "Hoess" memoirs
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In article <52gscp$7v@access5.digex.net>, "Michael P. Stein"
 writes
>In article ,
>Mark Van Alstine  wrote:
>>In article , Jeffrey
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Eichmann expected to recieve from Hungary, according to the estimate of
>>> the Hungarian Police, who had carried out the arrests, about 3,000,000
>>> jews." 
>>
>>"Acording to the estimate from the Hungarian police who had carried out
>>the arrests, Eichmann expected to recieve about three million Jews from
>>Hungary. 
>>
>>"The arrests and transportation should have been completed by 1943, but
>>because the Hungarian government's political difficulties, the date was
>>always postponed.
>>
>>"In particular the Hungarian army, or rather the senior officers, were
>>opposed to the extradition of these people and gave most of the Jewish men
>>a a refuge in the labor companies of the front line divisions, thus
>>keeping them out of the grasp of the police.
>>
>>"When in the fall of 1944 an action was started in Budapest itself, only
>>old and sick Jewish men remained. 
>>
>>"All together there were probably not more than half a million Jews
>>transported out of Hungary." (Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.46.) 
>
>    Funny how Jeff left that part out of his quote.

I didn,'t.....and it was quotes. 
[my posting]

"Eichmann expected to recieve from Hungary, according to the estimate of
the Hungarian Police, who had carried out the arrests, about 3,000,000
jews." 

"..,Eichmann expected to get about 4,000,000 jews from there." [Rumania]

"Bulgaria was to follow with an estimated two and a half million jews."

A total of 9 and a half million jews, in Hungary, Rumania, and Bulgaria!


[From the "Commandant of Auschwitz" the 'memoirs' of Rudolf Hoess p225-6


>
>    I think this is a LOT more significant than the difference between
>"Knowledge is power" and "Knowledge itself is power" which Jeff went on
>and on about with John Morris.

Not it isn't.

>
>    In fact, I think any honest and intelligent speaker of English would
>agree.

No, they wouldn't.

>
>    I wonder if Jeff would care to explain this apparent double standard.
>

Done it. 

I wonder if Mr Stein will now admit he is in error? 


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From: Jeffrey 
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In article , Mark Van Alstine
 writes
>In article , Jeffrey
> wrote:
>
>> "Eichmann expected to recieve from Hungary, according to the estimate of
>> the Hungarian Police, who had carried out the arrests, about 3,000,000
>> jews." 
>
>"Acording to the estimate from the Hungarian police who had carried out
>the arrests, Eichmann expected to recieve about three million Jews from
>Hungary. 
>
>"The arrests and transportation should have been completed by 1943, but
>because the Hungarian government's political difficulties, the date was
>always postponed.
>
>"In particular the Hungarian army, or rather the senior officers, were
>opposed to the extradition of these people and gave most of the Jewish men
>a a refuge in the labor companies of the front line divisions, thus
>keeping them out of the grasp of the police.
>
>"When in the fall of 1944 an action was started in Budapest itself, only
>old and sick Jewish men remained. 
>
>"All together there were probably not more than half a million Jews
>transported out of Hungary." (Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.46.) 
>
>> "..,Eichmann expected to get about 4,000,000 jews from there." [Rumania]
>
>"The next country on the list was Rumania. According to the reports from
>his representative in Bucharest, Eichmann expected to get about four
>million Jews from there.
>
>"Negotiations with the Rumanian authorities, however, were likely to be
>difficult. The anti-Semitic elements wanted the extermination of the Jews
>to be carried out in their own country. There had already been serious
>anti-Jewish rioting, and the Jews who were caught had been thrown into the
>deep and isolated ravines of the Carpathian Mountains and killed. A
>section of the government, however, was in favor of tranporting unwanted
>Jews to Germany. (Ibid.) 
>
>> "Bulgaria was to follow with an estimated two and a half million jews."
>
>"In the meantime, Bulgaria was to follow with an estimated 2.5 million
>Jews. The authorities were agreeable to transporting the Jews, but they
>wanted to wait for the results of the negotiations with Rumania. (Ibid.) 
>
>> A total of 9 and a half million jews, in Hungary, Rumania, and Bulgaria!
>
>Lest we forget, Ho"ss also said, "The course taken by the war destroyed
>these plans and saved the lives of millions of Jews. (Ibid. p.47.) 
>
>> [From the "Commandant of Auschwitz" the 'memoirs' of Rudolf Hoess p225-6
>> 
>> Not even the Jewish antique dealer Gerald Reitlinger, an Holocaust hate
>> propagandist 'expert' can make it that many. Nor can I expect Mr Daniel
>> Keren, who surely must admit there is something wrong with these
>> statistics. But will he? I doubt it.
>
>Something wrong? Certainly. For one, Ho"ss is recounting, at best,
>second-hand _estimates_. Not census statistics. At worst, Ho"ss is
>repeating unsubstantiated hearsay or, perhaps, internal Nazi propaganda.
>For another, the numbers are simply wrong. Using the population estimates
>from the Wannsee Conference, for instance, one can see that the Nazis
>themselves estimated the European Jewish population to be about 11
>million. From this 11 million a little over one million resided in
>Hungary, Rumania, and Bulgaria. (cf. Ibid. 375.) 
>
>Given, all of this, I'm not sure what Mr. Stumpy is driving at. Historians
>take such "problems" into account when they weigh personal accounts. When
>Ho"ss wrote about the things _he_ saw, he was quite accurate.
>Unsuprisingly, when he wrote about things he _didn't_ see, but _heard_
>about from others, he is less accurate. Even wrong at times. 






>Which,
>considering that the records of the special actions were supposedly
>destroyed and the summaries used to brief higher-up were closely held
>secrets (also supposedly detsroyed when they served their purpose), it is
>hardly incomprehensible as to why Ho"ss relates what he did. Unlike his
>estimate of 1.13 milion murdered at Auschwitz (cf. Ibid. p.39.) Ho"ss is
>repeating something he heard, probably from Eichmann or Eichmann's staff. 
>
>And of course, did not Eichmann himself say: "...I've read, and Ho"ss is
>supposed to have said, that he killed four million Jews. Up to now, I've
>thought that figure  exaggerated. But if we're going to talk about
>figures, whether it's one million or four million or a hundred amounts to
>the same thing in principle. In these last fifteen years, I've done some
>figuring myself. At the end of the war I spoke to my officers of five
>million. I saw that figure as a kind of cloud in my mind's eye. In that
>brief- hmm, how shall I put it? -apocalyptic speech, or whatever you may
>choose to call it, I wasn't looking for exact figures." (Lang, _Eichmann
>Interrogated_, p.109.)
>
>Considering all this, does Mr. Stumpy mean to imply that because these
>numbers are imprecise (at best) or even greatly exaggerated, that Ho"ss is
>a unreliable witness? Or that his accounts regarding Auschwitz aren't
>accurate? Or that the Holocaust didn't happen, that twelve million
>innocent noncombatants, six million of them Jews, _weren't_ brutally
>mudered by the Nazis? 
>
>Well? 
>
>Mark
>

The figures given in the "Hoess" memoirs are well off the mark. To
suggest that Eichmann, who ran a department who dealt with Evaculation &
Jews could come up with such figures, is totally implausible. But I
doubt if Mr Mark Van Alstine could see that, perhaps others can.





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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Thu Oct  3 08:36:37 PDT 1996
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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: Statistics, Statistics, dammed lies 
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In message <199610021611.MAA16962@access5.digex.net>, "Michael P. Stein"
 writes
>
>    It looks as if we have another sufferer of Acquired Revisionist Myopia
>Syndrome. 

As usual, abuse. The usual response of the holocaust hate propagandists.

>
>> In article <52gscp$7v@access5.digex.net>, "Michael P. Stein"
>>  writes
>> >In article ,
>> >Mark Van Alstine  wrote:
>> >>In article , Jeffrey
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "Eichmann expected to recieve from Hungary, according to the estimate of
>> >>> the Hungarian Police, who had carried out the arrests, about 3,000,000
>> >>> jews." 
>> >>
>> >>"Acording to the estimate from the Hungarian police who had carried out
>> >>the arrests, Eichmann expected to recieve about three million Jews from
>> >>Hungary. 
>> >>
>> >>"The arrests and transportation should have been completed by 1943, but
>> >>because the Hungarian government's political difficulties, the date was
>> >>always postponed.
>> >>
>> >>"In particular the Hungarian army, or rather the senior officers, were
>> >>opposed to the extradition of these people and gave most of the Jewish men
>> >>a a refuge in the labor companies of the front line divisions, thus
>> >>keeping them out of the grasp of the police.
>> >>
>> >>"When in the fall of 1944 an action was started in Budapest itself, only
>> >>old and sick Jewish men remained. 
>> >>
>> >>"All together there were probably not more than half a million Jews
>> >>transported out of Hungary." (Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.46.) 
>> >
>> >    Funny how Jeff left that part out of his quote.
>> 
>> I didn,'t.....and it was quotes.
>
>    My text followed the first quote.  It addressed the first quote, which
>was one quote.  That is why I said quote, singular.  As to the other
>two, I remind you that the Germans were using a racial, not religious
>definition; the Wannsee protocol estimates were followed by the following
>text:
>
>   "The number of Jews given here for foreign countries includes, however,
>only those Jews who still adhere to the Jewish faith, since some
>countries still do not have a definition of the term "Jew" according
>to racial principles."
>
>    Additionally, this was before the situation was confused due to
>refugees.  Remember, they did not get as many Jews from Russia as they
>expected.
>
>    And you did indeed leave out something important.  Perhaps I had
>better put it in capital letters so you can see it better this time. 
>
>> [my posting]
>> 
>> "Eichmann expected to recieve from Hungary, according to the estimate of
>> the Hungarian Police, who had carried out the arrests, about 3,000,000
>> jews." 
>> 
>> "..,Eichmann expected to get about 4,000,000 jews from there." [Rumania]
>> 
>> "Bulgaria was to follow with an estimated two and a half million jews."
>> 
>> A total of 9 and a half million jews, in Hungary, Rumania, and Bulgaria!
>> 
>> 
>> [From the "Commandant of Auschwitz" the 'memoirs' of Rudolf Hoess p225-6
>
>    Jeff Roberts claims he left nothing out.
>
>    Here is what he left out following the sentence about the Hungarian
>situation, put in capital letters so that perhaps he can see it this time. 
>The most significant part which Jeff concealed is double-underlined. 
>
>CONCEALED from the reader>
>
>"THE ARRESTS AND TRANSPORTATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED BY 1943, BUT
>BECAUSE OF THE HUNGARIAN GOVERNMENT'S POLITICAL DIFFICULTIES, THE DATE WAS
>ALWAYS POSTPONED.
>
>"IN PARTICULAR THE HUNGARIAN ARMY, OR RATHER THE SENIOR OFFICERS, WERE
>OPPOSED TO THE EXTRADITION OF THESE PEOPLE AND GAVE MOST OF THE 
>JEWISH MEN A REFUGE IN THE LABOR COMPANIES OF THE FRONT LINE DIVISIONS,
>THUS KEEPING THEM OUT OF THE GRASP OF THE POLICE.
>
>"WHEN IN THE FALL OF 1944 AN ACTION WAS STARTED IN BUDAPEST ITSELF, ONLY
>OLD AND SICK JEWISH MEN REMAINED.
>
>"ALL TOGETHER THERE WERE PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN HALF A MILLION JEWS
>                        ==========================================
>TRANSPORTED OUT OF HUNGARY." (Ho"ss, _Death Dealer_, p.46.)
>==========================
>
>
>
>    Got that?  Hoess ended by saying 500,000 was the _maximum_ number
>actually transported.  Quite realistic.  You CONCEALED the fact that at
>the end of the discussion, Hoess gave a not-at-all-impossible statistic
>for Hungary.

First, I didn't conceal anything. The quotes, page numbers and book
cited were accurate.

Secondly, now you mention it, I think that that statistic is NOT
realistic at all.  
For discussion of the numbers of the number of Jews transported out of
Hungary [cf Butz the Hoax of the Twentieth Century, Chapter V, available
>from  the Institute of Historical Review, PO Box 2739, Newport Beach,
California, 92659 USA.
See also the article by Carlo Mattogno "The deportation and
"extermination" of The jews of Hungary" on Brad's website. 
CODOH http://www.codoh.com/ ]


In his response, Mr Stein quotes from the Wannsee protocols, which
actually gives numbers for the above countries, I thank him for drawing
this to my attention.

These are:-

Wannsee protocols 

Bulgaria..............................48,000
Rumania, including Bessarabia........342,000  
Hungary..............................742,000

Now compare them with the figures quoted in the "Hoess" memoirs.

Bulgaria............................2,500,000
Rumania.............................4,000,000
Hungary.............................3,000,000


It is therefore totally impossible to believe that these figures ever
came from SS Obersturmbannfurhrer Karl Eichmann, especially when he was
at the Wannsee Conference, and who headed a department dealing with the
evaculation of the Jews. 

It is just further proof that the "Hoess" memoirs are Communist
Propaganda.

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From jeff@stumpy.demon.co.uk Sun Oct  6 15:47:40 PDT 1996
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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: Re: Statistics, Statistics, dammed lies
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In article , Mark Van Alstine
 writes
>In article , Jeffrey
> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> It is therefore totally impossible to believe that these figures ever
>> came from SS Obersturmbannfurhrer Karl Eichmann, especially when he was
>> at the Wannsee Conference, and who headed a department dealing with the
>> evaculation of the Jews. 
>
>[snip]
>
>Interesting, is it not, Mr. Stumpy, 
>that when asked about the deportation
>of Jews from Western and Eastern Europe Eichmann replied, "...Of course I
>haven't the faintest idea how many were evacuated from these countries,
>how many shipments were sent out...."  (_Eichmann Interrogated_, p.74.) 
>
>Mark

I expect  SS Oberstrumbannfuhrer Karl Eichmann had some idea. The
germans seemed to keep "voluminous" records.

eg 

"Among the voluminous original German records stored
there are tens of thousands of pages from Auschwitz  camp alone. Here
Graf and Mattogno spent nearly every day of their visit screening an
estimated 70,000 pages of Auschwitz records.
Less than five percent of these documents are of relevant interest, Graf
estimates. They spent little time, for example, going through the 100-
page file of construction records of horse stables at Auschwitz, or the
300 pages concerning the payroll of camp gardeners."

One is also reminded of the Auschwitz registers, which as i recall total
about 74,000 deaths at Auschwitz, of which 30,000 are alleged to be
jewish.

These books only became "available" this decade, about 50 years old. One
can only presume that the Soviets knew they were there and didn't think
it a good idea to release them. 


I wonder how much more info is out there. At Arolsen, or still being
held under the official secrets act in Britain? etc etc




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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: Re: Vergasungskeller BITES THE DUST!
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In article <52vls9$g8h@juliana.sprynet.com>, rblackmore@juno.com writes
>> 
>
>>  
>>  
>>  >This long-suppressed German document, which was overlooked
>>  >by Fleming and Prosaic, suggests instead that this "gassing cellar" was
>>  >installed to save life, by killing typhus-bearing lice.
>>  
>>      So when do we get to see the document itself, rather than Graf and
>>  Mattogno's claims about what the document says?  You know quite well that
>>  if Pressac had announced he had found a document mentioning a
>>  "Vergasungskeller" but failed to produce the whole thing for inspection,
>>  you would be screaming bloody murder.  You will excuse me for wanting to
>>  see the whole thing for myself, but given the "revisionist" penchant for
>>  lying by omission I think I am well justified in making the request.
>>  
>>  
>>  [remainder snipped]
>>  
>>      Posted/emailed.
>>  -- 
>>  Mike Stein                  The above represents the Absolute Truth.
>>  POB 10420                   Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
>>  Arlington, VA  22210                position of my employer.
>>  
>>>>>
>I agree with Mike Stein here.  Where is the document?

"Carlo Mattogno is working on a detailed study of the
German camp crematories, to be published in 1996 in Italy, as well as on
a specialized treatment of the "gas chambers," which he hopes to publish
in 1997."

Presumbly it will appear in the study of the crematories. However, I
will look into this matter.


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In article , Nele Abels
 writes
>On 2 Oct 1996, Michael P. Stein wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> Jeffrey   wrote:
>> >[Holocaust hate propagandists have for a long time trumpeted the
>> >Vergassingkeller - gasssing cellar - as a slip by the Nazis,
>> >revisionists pointed out that the document has no security
>> >classification and therefore admits nothing.
>> 
>>     I don't consider this a valid inference for several reasons, but let's
>> let that pass for now.
>
>That isn't true anyway. The photographed copy I have seen bears a thick 
>fat stamp "Geheime Reichssache" (secret reich affair) which looks very 
>much like a security classification to me... You will find it in 
>_Nationalsozialistische Massentoetungen durch Giftgas: eine 
>Dokumentation_, eds. Benz et al., Frankfurt/M:Fischer, in the mid-eighties.
>
>Nele
>

AFAIK :-

This is slimilar to 'restricted' found on all army documents, the lowest
level. 

As Irving says it's a 'janatorial' level of classification.

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Hitler and the 'Big Lie' 
It has been repeated so often that virtually no one bothers to challenge
it: Adolf Hitler created and used the "Big Lie," one of his many evil
techniques. As holds true for so many things we are told, this belief,
too, must be examined to see the underlying truth. 

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:
But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for
falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute
responsibility for the downfall [of Germany in WWI] precisely to the man
who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to
prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation
>from  that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing
responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of
Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only
adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the
betayerls of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the
principle -- which is quite true in itself -- that in the big lie there
is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a
nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper stata of their
emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the
primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to
the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small
lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale
falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal
untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts
which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they
will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be
some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves
traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is
known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together
in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use
falsehood for the basest purposes. 

>From  time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any
others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very
existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious
community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of
the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for
all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He
(Schopenhauer) called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies." Those who do
not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it,
will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail. 

Clearly, Hitler is not advocating the use of the "Big Lie," and, far
>from  creating it, he is in fact is ascribing the "Big Lie" technique to
the Jews and Marxists. The "Big Lie" technique is Hitler's in the same
fashion that Halley's Comet is Halley's -- not because either man was
the inventor, but rather because he was the discoverer.
Sources
Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf. James Murphy, translator. London, New York,
Melbourne: Hurst and Blackett Ltd; April 1942; page 134.

Or:

Page 211 of the Mannheim translation, London: Hutchinson; 1969.

Page 232 of the Houghton-Mifflin edition.


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18 April 1946

...... Academy for German Law, of which you [Hans Frank, himself a
lawyer, and later in charge of occupied Poland]  were president. The
document has the heading "Legal Formation of Germany's Polish Policy on
Racial-Political Lines"; the legal part serves as a text for the
Committee on the Law of Nationalities in the Academy for German Law. I'm
having this document submitted to you. Please, will you tell me whether
you've ever had this document in your hands before?
FRANK: From whom does it come?
DR. SEIDL: That is the extraordinary part; it has the Exhibit Number
USA-300.
FBANK: Does it state anywhere who drew it up or something of the sort?
DR. SEIDL: The document has no author; nor does it show on whose order
it was compiled.
FRANK, I can say merely,  that I've never seen the document; that I
never gave an order for it to be drawn up: So I can say really nothing
about it.

DR, SEIDL: It states here that it was found in the Ministry of  Justice
in Kassel. Was there a Ministry of Justice in Kassel in 1940?.


FRANK: A Ministy of Justice in Kassel?

DR.SEIDL:Yes.

FRANK: That has not been in existence since 1866.


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[NOTE BY JR: THE HOLOCAUST HATE PROPAGANDA HAS NOT FOOLED ALL JEWS AS
THIS ACCOUNT BY JOSEF GINSBURG SHOWS. LIKE MANY JEWS, JOSEF CHANGED HIS
NAME TO JOSEF G. BURG. FOR SPEAKING OUT, HE WAS BEATEN UP BY HOLOCAUST
HATE PROGANDIST THUGS IN VIENNA] 


Burg hoped to show by his example that not all Jews consider the Germans
a guilty nation. He admired Zundel's courage. "If there were another two
or three  Zundels'' he proclaimed, "it would be better for us Jews as
well."
Burg mentioned the case of  Dr. Benedikt Kautsky, a  prominent socialist
Jew who spent three years in Birkenau. His mother was there as well. She
was about 80, became ill, and got "special treatment"—which in her case
meant especially good food and care. She died nonetheless. After the
war, Kautsky returned to Vienna, said Burg, to publish a "workers
newspaper"  which "brought out the truth".  He also published a book,
Teufel and Verdammte (1946) which told the truth about the alleged
extermination of the Jews. "'The whole edition was burned. One and a
half years later, he published another edition. Yeah,  he made a few
changes......"
The story of the gassings, said Burg, "comes from a sick Mind".

The testimony of Joseph Burg, a Jew.

[Pages 238-239 From the "The Holocaust on Trial ,The case of Ernst
Zundel by Robert Lenski.]

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Article published in the Daily Northwestern of May 13, 1991, corrected
May 14. The links are to commentary and documentation that did not
appear in the original article, and which will be continually updated
and elaborated.


A short introduction to the study of Holocaust revisionism
by Arthur R. Butz

I see three principal reasons for the widespread but erroneous belief in
the legend of millions of Jews killed by the Germans during World War
II: US and British troops found horrible piles of corpses in the west
German camps they captured in 1945 (e.g. Dachau and Belsen), there are
no longer large communities of Jews in Poland, and historians generally
support the legend.

During both world wars Germany was forced to fight typhus, carried by
lice in the constant traffic with the east. That is why all accounts of
entry into the German concentration camps speak of shaving of hair and
showering and other delousing procedures, such as treatment of quarters
with the pesticide Zyklon. That was also the main reason for a high
death rate in the camps, and the crematoria that existed in all.

When Germany collapsed in chaos then of course all such defenses ceased,
and typhus and other diseases became rampant in the camps, which
quartered mainly political prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals,
conscientious objectors, and Jews conscripted for labor. Hence the
horrible scenes, which however had nothing to do with "extermination" or
any deliberate policy. Moreover the west German camps involved were not
the alleged "extermination camps", which were all in Poland (e.g.
Auschwitz and Treblinka) and which were all evacuated or shut down
before capture by the Soviets, who found no such scenes.

The "Final Solution" spoken of in the German documents was a program of
evacuation, resettlement and deportation of Jews with the ultimate
objective of expulsion from Europe. During the war Jews of various
nationalities were being moved east, as one stage in this Final
Solution. The legend claims that the motion was mainly for extermination
purposes.

The great majority of the millions allegedly exterminated were east
European, not German or west European, Jews. For that reason study of
the problem via population statistics has been difficult to impossible,
but it is a fact that there are no longer large communities of Jews in
Poland. However the Germans were only one of several parties involved in
moving Jews around. The Soviets deported virtually all of the Jews of
eastern Poland to their interior in 1940. After the war, with Polish and
other Jews pouring out of the east into occupied west Germany, the
Zionists moved large numbers to Palestine, and the US and other
countries absorbed many Jews, in most cases under conditions making
impossible a numerical accounting. Moreover the Polish borders were
changed drastically at the end of the war; the country was literally
moved west.

Historians generally support the legend, but there are precedents for
nearly incomprehensible blindness on the part of scholars. For example
throughout the Middle Ages even the Pope's political enemies conceded
his false claim that the 4th century Emperor Constantine had ceded rule
of the west to the Pope, although all knew very well that Constantine
had been succeeded by more emperors. Near unanimity among the academics
is especially suspect when there exist great political pressures; in
some countries Holocaust revisionists have been prosecuted.

It is easy to show that the extermination legend merits skepticism. Even
the casual reader of the Holocaust literature knows that during the war
virtually nobody acted as though it was happening. Thus it is common to
berate the Vatican, the Red Cross and the Allies (especially the
intelligence agencies) for their ignorance and inaction, and to explain
that the Jews generally did not resist deportation because they did not
know what was in store for them. If you add all this up you have the
strange claim that for almost three years German trains, operating on a
continental scale in densely civilized regions of Europe, were regularly
and systematically moving millions of Jews to their deaths, and nobody
noticed except for a few of our Jewish leaders who were making public
"extermination" claims.

On closer examination even those few Jewish leaders were not acting as
though it was happening. Ordinary communications between the occupied
and neutral countries were open, and they were in contact with the Jews
whom the Germans were deporting, who thus could not have been in
ignorance of "extermination" if those claims had any validity.

This incredible ignorance must also be attributed to Hans Oster's
department in German military intelligence, correctly labelled "the
veritable general staff of the opposition to Hitler" in a recent review.

What we are offered in evidence was gathered after the war, in trials.
The evidence is almost all oral testimony and "confessions". Without the
evidence of these trials there would be no significant evidence of
"extermination". One must pause and ponder this carefully. Were trials
needed to determine that the Battle of Waterloo happened? The bombings
of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The slaughter in Cambodia?
Yet this three year program, of continental scope, claiming millions of
victims, requires trials to argue its reality. I am not arguing that the
trials were illegal or unfair; I am arguing that such historical logic
as the legend rests on must not be countenanced. Such events cannot
happen without generating commensurate and contemporaneous evidence for
their reality, just as a great forest fire cannot take place without
producing smoke. One may as well believe that New York City was burned
down, if confessions to the deed can be produced.

Detailed consideration of the specific evidence put forward in support
of the legend has been a focus of the revisionist literature and cannot
be undertaken here, but I shall mention one point. The claim of the
legend is that there were no technical means provided for the specific
task of extermination, and that means originally provided for other
purposes did double duty in improvised arrangements. Thus the Jews were
allegedly gassed with the pesticide Zyklon, and their corpses
disappeared into the crematoria along with the deaths from "ordinary"
causes (the ashes or other remains of millions of victims never having
been found).

Surely any thoughtful person must be skeptical.

-- Arthur R. Butz is an associate professor of electrical engineering. 

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Buchenwald: Legend and Reality


Buchenwald is widely regarded as one of wartime Germany's most notorious
"death camps." In fact, though, this carefully cultivated image bears
little resemblance to reality. Today, more than forty years after the
end of We Second World War, the camp deserves another, more objective
look.
History and Function
The Buchenwald concentration camp was located on a wooded hill outside
of Weimar, in what is now East Germany. It was opened in July 1937.
Until the war years, almost all the inmates were either professional
criminals or political prisoners (most of them ardent Communists). Some
2,300 Buchenwald inmates were pardoned in 1939 in honor of Hitler's 50th
birthday. 

At the outbreak of war in September 1939 the camp population was 5,300.
This grew slowly to 12,000 in early 1943, and then increased rapidly as
many foreign workers, especially Poles, Ukrainians and Russians, were
brought for employment in war production. () 

During the war years Buchenwald was expanded into a vast complex of more
than a hundred satellite factories, mines and workshops spread across a
large portion of Germany. The most important of these was probably the
Dora underground plant, which produced V-2 missiles. In October 1944 it
became the independent Nordhausen (Mittelbau) camp. () 

Many thousands of Jews arrived at Buchenwald from Hungary and various
eastern camps in 1944 and 1945. Most had been evacuated by railroad from
Auschwitz and other camps threatened by the advancing Red Army. () 

The number of inmates increased enormously during the final months of
the war: 34,000 in November 1943, 44,000 in April 1944, and 80,000 in
August 1944. A monthly peak was reached at the end of February 1945,
when 86,000 inmates were crammed into the severely overcrowded camp.
Almost 30,000 inmates were evacuated from Buchenwald during the week
before the U.S. Army takeover on 11 April 1945. Altogether a total of
239,000 persons were interned in the camp between 1937 and April 1945.
()

The Commandant and his wife 
The first Commandant, Karl Koch, ran Buchenwald from 1937 until early
1942, when he was transferred to Majdanek. He proved a notoriously
brutal and corrupt administrator who enriched himself with valuables
stolen from numerous inmates, whom he then had killed to cover up his
thefts. The camp physician, Dr. Waldemar Hoven, murdered many inmates in
cooperation with Koch and the Communist underground camp organization.
Koch was eventually charged by an SS court with murder and corruption,
found guilty and executed.  

His wife, Ilse Koch, was involved in many of her husband's crimes, but
the fantastic charge that she had lamp shades and other items
manufactured from the skins of murdered inmates is not true. This
allegation was made by the United States prosecution team at the main
Nuremberg tnal.  

General Lucius D. Clay, Commander in Chief of U.S. Forces in Europe and
Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation Zone of Germany, 1947-49,
carefully reviewed the Use Koch case in 1948 and found that, whatever
her other misdeeds, the lampshade charge was baseless. He commuted her
sentence from life imprisonment to four years and informed the Army
Department in Washington "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse
Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tatooed
skins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." During a
1976 interview Clay recalled the case:
We tried Ilse Koch ... She was sentenced to life imprisonment, and I
commuted it to three [four] years. And our press really didn't like
that. She had been destroyed by the fact that an enterprising reporter
who first went into her house had given her the beautiful name, the
"Bitch of Buchenwald," and he had found some white lampshades in there
which he wrote up as being made out of human flesh 

Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it
was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a
fair trial. 

... The Germans picked her up and gave her 12 years for her treatment of
her own people. But it wasn't really a war crime in the strict sense of
the word. 

And those are the kinds of things that we had to deal with all the time. 

The Inmates: Life and Death
There is no question that many atrocities were committed against
Buchenwald inmates. However, at least a very large portion of them were
committed, not by the German SS guards, but by the underground Communist
camp organization that gained almost total internal control after 1943.
This remarkable situation was confirmed in a detailed U.S. Army
intelligence document of 24 April 1945 entitled Buchenwald: A
Prelirninary Report. This confidential analysis remained classified
until 1972. 

In a short preface, Army intelligence chief Alfred Toombs called this
secret report "one of the most significant accounts yet written on an
aspect of life in Nazi Germany" because it "tells how the [Buchenwald]
prisoners themselves organized a deadly terror within the Nazi terror."
The general accuracy of the report had been independently confirmed,
Toombs added. 

As large numbers of foreigners began arriving at the camp during the war
years, the confidential report noted, the understaffed SS found it
necessary to turn over an ever larger share of camp administration to
the inmates themselves. In practice this meant that by 1943 the well-
organized and disciplined Communist inmate organization had taken
virtually total control of the camp's internal operation. As the report
explained:
The trusties had wide powers over their fellow inmates. At first they
were drawn almost exclusively from the German criminals. This period
lasted until 1942. But gradually the Communists began to gain control of
this organization. They were the oldest residents, with records of 10-12
years in the concentration camps ... They clung together with remarkable
tenacity, whereas the criminal elements were simply out for their own
individual welfare and had little group cohesiveness. The Communists
maintained excellent discipline and received a certain amount of
direction from outside the camp. They had brains and technical
qualifications for running the various industries established at the
camp.

Their advances were not made without resistance from the criminals, but
gradually the criminals were eliminated from power, partly by
intimidation, partly with the aid of the SS. Numbers of the criminals
were killed by beatings, hangings or injections of phenol into the heart
or of air or milk into the veins. The injections were a specialty of the
camp doctor [Hoven], who became a partisan of the Communist faction. 

Besides the top positions in the trusty organization, there were a
number of key Communist strongholds in the administration of the camp.
One was the food supply organization, through which favored groups
received reasonable rations while others were brought to the starvation
level. A second was the hospital, staffed almost exclusively by
Communists. Its facilities were largely devoted to caring for members of
their party ... Another Communist stronghold was the Property Room ...
Each German trusty obtained good clothing and numerous other valuables.
The Communists of Buchenwald, after ten or twelve years in concentration
carnps, are dressed like prosperous business men. Some affect leather
jackets and little round caps of the German navy, apparently the uniform
of revolution. 
As a result of all this:
... lnstead of a heap of corpses or a disorderly mob of starving,
leaderless men, the Americans [who captured the camp] found a
disciplined and efficient organization in Buchenwald. Credit is
undoubtedly due to the self-appointed Camp Committee, an almost purely
Communist group under the domination of the German political leaders. 

... The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death ... The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities committed at Buchenwald.
Communist block chiefs, the report stated, would personally beat their
charges and "sometimes forced whole blocks to stand barefoot in the snow
for hours, apparently on their own initiative." The Communists killed
"large numbers" of Polish inmates who refused to submit to their rule.
They forced French inmates to give up thousands of Red Cross parcels.
The report mentioned several particularly brutal Communist camp leaders
by name. 

It confirmed that the camp physician, Dr. Hoven, had been an important
Communist ally who killed numerous criminal and anti-Communist political
prisoners with lethal injections. An SS investigation team uncovered his
activities during the war and sentenced him to death for murder.
However, because of the critical wartime shortage of doctors, he was
reprieved after 18 months in jail. After the war the Communists tried to
protect their ally, but Hoven was sentenced to death for a second time
by a U.S. military tribunal and executed in 1948. 

Camp Communists maintained close relations with the well- organized
underground Communist party on the outside. "From Buchenwald an inmate
went out regularly to establish contact with a Communist courier
bringing news and instructions. Bound by his loyalty to the Party, the
contact man never made use of his opportunity to escape personally." The
Communist camp military organization had three machine guns, fifty
rifles and a number of hand grenades. The German Communists lived better
than any other group. "Even now," the report noted, "they may be
distinguished from the rest of the inmates by their rosy cheeks and
robust health, though they have been in concentration camps for much
longer than the others." 

Fmally, the report's authors warned against the simplistic and naive
notion that former inmates should be trusted and helped just because
they had been interned in German camps. "Some are in fact 'bandits,'
criminals from all Europe or foreign workers in Germany who were caught
stealing ... They are brutalized, unpleasant to look on. It is easy to
adopt the Nazi theory that they are subhuman." 

A book published in 1961 by the Communist-run "Intemational Buchenwald
Committee" of East Berlin proudly describes the wartime activities of
the camp's Communist underground. It ran an underground camp newspaper,
an illegal radio transmitter, an inmate orchestra (which played
Communist songs), a large library and even a military organization. It
held Communist ceremonies and political meetings, and carried out
extensive sabotage of German war production.  

Former Buchenwald inmate Emst Fedem, a Jew, explained after the war how
the Communist camp organization cooperated with the SS to increase its
own power and eliminate opponents and undesirables. He recalled that the
leader of the Jewish section of the Communist camp organization, Emil
Carlebach, declared quite frankly that for him only his [Communist]
friends counted, that everybody else might as well perish." Fedem
reported that he personally witnessed two acts of brutality by
Carlebach, who was a Block Senior from 1942 until 1945. In one case he
ordered the death of a fellow Jewish inmate for allegedly mistreating
inmates at another camp. On another occasion Carlebach personally beat
an elderly Jewish inmate from Tulkey to death because he had unavoidably
relieved himself in the barracks.  

Similarly, an Englishman who spent 15 months in Buchenwald reported
after the war that the Communist camp organization did not consider the
Jewish inmates particularly worth trying to keep alive.  

In recent years some homosexual organizations have claimed that
thousands of homosexuals were "systematically exterminated" in the
German concentration camps. While it is true that many were interned as
criminals, no homosexual was ever killed by the Germans for that reason
alone. It is also worth recalling that during the 1930s and 1940s,
homosexual behavior was considered an odious crime in most of the world,
including the United States. 

A former Buchenwald inmate recalled in 1981: "... Homosexuals were
oppressed by the Nazis because of their social mores ... In Buchenwald,
a great number of them were not killed by the Nazis, but by political
prisoners [Communistsl, because of the homosexuals' aggressive and
offensive behavior."  

Day-to-day conditions were much better than most portrayals would
suggest. Inmates could both receive and send two letters or postcards
monthly. They could receive money from the outside. Inmates were also
paid for their labor with special camp currency which they could use to
purchase a wide variety of items in the camp canteen. They played
soccer, handball and volleyball in their spare time. Soccer matches were
held on Saturdays and Sundays on the camp playing field. A large camp
library offered a wide range of books. A motion picture theater was very
popular. There were also variety shows, and musical groups put on
regular concerts in the central square. A camp brothel, which employed
15 prostitutes when the Americans arnved, was available to many inmates. 

Extermination factory?
The Americans who arrived at Buchenwald in April 1945 found hundreds of
sick inmates and many unburied corpses in the camp. Horrific photos of
these gruesome scenes were immediately circulated throughout the world
and have been widely reproduced ever since, giving the impression that
Buchenwald was a diabolical mass killing center. 

The American government encouraged this impression. A U.S. Army report
about Buchenwald prepared for the Supreme Allied Headquarters in Europe
and made public at the end of April 1945 declared that the "mission of
the camp" was "an extennination factory." () And two weeks later a U.S.
Congressional report on German camps, later used as a Nuremberg trial
document, was issued which likewise described Buchenwald as an
"extermination factory."  

This superficially plausible description is, however, completely wrong.
The great majority of those who died at Buchenwald perished during the
chaotic final months of the war. They succumbed to disease, often
aggravated by malnutrition, in spite of woefully inadequate efforts to
keep them alive. They were victims, not of an "extermination" program,
but rather of the terrible overcrowding and severe lack of food and
medical supplies due to a general collapse of order in Germany during
the tumultuous final phase of the war. 

Along with these indirect victims of the war were many healthy inmates.
B.M. McKelway inspected Buchenwald shortly after the U.S. takeover as
one of a group of American newspaper editors and publishers. He reported
that "many of the hundreds of inmates we saw appeared to be healthy
while others suffering from dysentery, typhus, tuberculosis and other
diseases were living skeletons."  

One striking indication that Buchenwald was not an "extermination" camp
is the fact that some of the internees were children too young to work.
An estimated one thousand boys, aged two to 16, were housed in two
special children's barracks. Train transports of Jewish children arrived
>from  1942 to 1945. Some arrived from Auschwitz in 1943. Other Jewish
children came from Hungary and Poland.  The confidential U.S. Army
report of April 24, 1945, noted the "most remarkable sight of the
children" who "rush about, shrieking and playing."  

Thirty years after the war, even famed "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal
conceded that "there were no extermination camps on German soil." ()

The gas chamber lie 
Perhaps the most vicious lie circulated after the war about Buchenwald
is the charge that the Germans exterminated inmates there in gas
chambers. An official French government report submitted to the
Nuremberg tribunal as a prosecution exhibit imaginatively stated:
"Everything had been provided for down to the smallest detail. In 1944,
at Buchenwald, they had even lengthened a railway line so that the
deportees might be led directly to the gas chamber. Certain [of the gas
chambers] had a floor that tipped and immediately directed the bodies
into the room with the crematory oven."  The chief British prosecutor at
the main Nuremberg trial, Sir Hartley Shawcross, declared in his closing
address that"murder [was] conducted like some mass production industry
in the gas chambers and the ovens" of Buchenwald and other camps. () 

In a book published in 1947, French priest Georges Henocque, former
chaplain of the Saint-Cyr Military Academy, claimed to have visited the
inside of a Buchenwald gas chamber, which he described in detaiL This
particular story has been cited as a good example of the kind of
Holocaust lies which even prominent personalities are capable of
inventing.  

Another French priest and former inmate, Jean-Paul Renard, made a
similar claim about the camp in his own book published shortly after the
war: "I saw thousands and thousands of persons going into the showers.
Instead of liquid, asphyxiating gases poured out over them." When fellow
Frenchman and former Buchenwald inmate Paul Rassinier pointed out to the
priest that there was no gas chamber in the camp, Renard replied:
"Right, but that's only a figure of speech ... and since those things
existed somewhere, it's not important."  

In a book published in 1948, Hungarian Jewish writer Eugene Levai
charged that the Germans killed tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews at
Buchenwald in gas chambers.  

A widely distributed booklet issued by the Jewish Anti-Defamation League
of B'nai B'rith also spread the tale that people were gassed at
Buchenwald.  

In 1960 the Buchenwald gassing story was officially declared a fable. In
that year, Martin Broszat of the anti-Hitler Institute for Contemporary
History in Munich specifically stated that no one was ever gassed at
Buchenwald. Professor A.S. Balachowsky, a member of the Institut de
France, likewise declared in November 1971: "I would like to confirm to
you that no gas chamber as such existed at Buchenwald ..." () Holocaust
writer Konnilyn Feig conceded in her book, Hitler's Death Camps, that
Buchenwald did not have a gas chamber.  Today no serious historian still
claims gassings there.

How many perished? 
The numbers of persons estimated to have perished at Buchenwald while it
was under German control vary tremendously. According to former inmate
Elie Wiesel, the prolific Jewish writer and 1986 Nobel Peace Prize
recipient, "In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day."
This wildly irresponsible statement is, unfortunately, all too typical
of the the rhetoric of the man who was also chosen to head the U.S.
govemment's official Holocaust Memorial Council. 

The 1980 edition of the World Book Encyclopedia claimed that "more than
100,000" died in the camp. () The Encyclopaedia Judaica put the number
at 56,549. () Raul Hilberg, writing in the 1982 edition of the
Encyclopedia Americana, stated that "more than 50,000 died in the
Buchenwald complex."  

The U.S. Army intelligence report of April 24, 1945 (cited above) noted
that the total number of certified deaths was 32,705. () A detailed June
1945 U.S. government report about Buchenwald put the total at 33,462, of
whom more than 20,000 died in the chaotic final months of the war.  

The authoritative Intemational Tracing Service of Arolsen, an affiliate
of the Intemational Red Cross, stated in 1984 that the number of
documented deaths (of both Jews and non-Jews) at Buchenwald was 20,671,
with another 7,463 for Dora (Mittelbau).  

While even these lower figures are regrettably high, it is important to
realize that the great majority of those who died at Buchenwald were
unfortunate victims of a catastrophic war, not Germany policy. Most of
the rest were murdered by order of the Communist underground camp
organization. Several hundred were also killed in Allied bombing
attacks. 

In one air raid against a large munitions factory near the main camp,
British bombers killed 750 persons, including 400 inmates. 

American and Soviet atrocities
Following the American takeover of Buchenwald in April 1945, about 80
remaining German guards and camp functionaries were summarily murdered.
Inmates brutally beat the Germans to death, sometimes with the aid and
encouragement of American soldiers. Between 20 and 30 GIs took turns
gleefully beating six young Germans to death. Inmates also commandeered
American jeeps and drove to nearby Weimar, where they looted and
randomly killed German civilians.  

After the war the Soviet secret police operated Buchenwald as a
concentration camp for "potential class enemies" and other "possibly
dangerous" German civilians. In September 1949, more than four years
after the end of the war, there were still 14,300 inmates in the
"special camp." (While Buchenwald was under German control, the number
of inmates did not reach 14,000 until May 1943.) Conditions were
horrible. Even the Soviet official in charge of the concentration camps
in Germany, General Merkulov, acknowledged the severe lack of order and
cleanliness, particularly at Buchenwald. At least 13,000 and as many as
21,000 persons died in Soviet-run Buchenwald, but no one has ever been
punished for the deaths and mistreatment in this notorious postwar camp.
One former inmate described his "five years of horrible seclusion,
humiliations, interrogations and annihilation" in the Soviet-run camp in
these words:
People were mere numbers. Their dignity was consciously trampled upon.
They were starved without mercy and consumed by tuberculosis until they
were skeletons. The annihilation process which had been well tested over
decades was systematic. The cries and groans of those in pain still echo
in my ears whenever the past comes back to me in sleepless nights. We
had to watch helplessly as people perished according to plan -- like
creatures sacrificed to annihilation. 

Many nameless people were caught up in the annihilation machinery of the
NKVD [Soviet secret police] after the collapse of 1945. They were herded
together like cattle after the so-called liberation and vegetated in the
many concentration carnps. Many were systematically tortured to death. A
memorial was built for the dead of the Buchenwald concentration camp. A
figure of death victims was chosen based on fantasy. Intentionally, only
the dead of the 1937-1945 period were honored. Why is there no memorial
honoring the dead of 1945 to 1950? Countless mass graves were dug around
the camp in the postwar penod.  
In an act of stunning hypocrisy, the Communist rulers of the postwar
"German Democratic Republic" have turned the Buchenwald camp area into a
kind of secular shrine. Every year, hundreds of thousands visit the
sites, complete with museums, bell tower, monumental sculpture and
memorials dedicated, ironically enough, to the "victims of fascism."
There is nothing to remind visitors of the thousands of forgotten
Germans who perished miserably during the years after the war when the
camp was run by the Soviets. 

The story of Buchenwald, like the story of virtually every German
wartime concentration camp, is a microcosm of the entire Holocaust tale.
The widely-accepted portrayal of Buchenwald, like those of the other
German camps, contrasts sharply with the little- known reality.

Notes
1. The information in this section is from two sources: "Buchenwald,"
Encyclopaeda Judaica (New York and Jersualem: 1971), Vol. 4, pp. 1442,
1445; and U.S. government report B-2833 of 18 June 1945. Document 217I-
PS, published in the "red senes," Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression (NC&A)
(Washington, DC: 1946-48), Vol. 4, pp. 800-833. 

2. U.S. Army report of 25 May 1945. Document 2222-PS. Published in NC&A,
Vol. 4, pp. 86p864; "German-Bom NASA Expert ...," New York Times, 18
October 1984, pp. Al, A12: "Ex-Nazi Denies Role ...," New York Times, 21
October 1984, p. 8. 

3. Document 2171-PS. NC&A, Vol. 4, pp. 800-833. 

4. 2171-PS. NC&A, Vol. 4, pp. 832-833. 

5. Nuremberg testimony of Günther Reinecke, 7 August 1946. Published in
the IMT "blue series," Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal (IMT) (Nuremberg: 1947 49), VoL 20, pp.
438, 441 142; SS indictment brief against Karl Koch, 11 April 1944.
Document NO-2360. 

6. IMT, Vol. 3, pp. 514-515; Vol. 5, pp. 220-201; Vol. 32, pp. 267- 269. 

7. "Clay Explains Cut in Ilse Koch Term," New York Times, 24 Sept.
1948,p.3. 

8. Interview with Lucius D. Clay. Official Proceedings of the George C.
Marshall Research Foundation. Transcript of a videotape interview shown
at the conference "U.S. Occupation in Europe After World War II," 23- 24
April 1976 at Lexington, Van, sponsored by the George C. Marshall
Research Foundation, pp. 37-38. (I am grateful to Robert Wolfe of the
National Archives for bringing this interview to my attention.) 

9. Egon W. Fleck and Edwartd At Tenenbaum, Buchenwald: A Preliminary
Report, U.S. Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National Archives,
Record Group 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151 (8929tl63-
8929/180). I am grateful to Mr. Timothy Mulligan of the Military Branch
of the National Archives for bringing this report to my attention. See
also: Donald B. Robinson, "Communist Atrocities at Buchenwald," American
Mercury, October 1946, pp. 397-404; and Christopher Burney, The Dungeon
Democracy (New York 1946), pp. 21, 22-23, 28-29, 32, 33, 34, 44, 46, 49. 

10. Internationales Buchenwald-Komitee, Buchenwald (East Berlin:
Kongress, 1961). 

11. Ernst Federn, 'That German ..." Harper's, August 1948, pp. 106-107. 

12. Christopher Burney, The Dungeon Democracy (New York 1946), pp. l09,
124, 128-130. 

13. The Jewish Times (Baltimore). Quoted in "On the Holocaust," The Gay
Paper (Baltimore), December 1981, p. 2. 

14. John Mendelsoln; "Sources," Prologue (Washington, DC: National
Archives), Fall 1983, p. 180; Konnilyn G. Feig, Hitler's Death Camps
(New York 1981), p. 96; K. Morgen testimony, 7 August 1946, IMT, Vol.
20, p. 490; testimony by former Buchenwald innate Arnost Tauber at
Nuremberg "I.G. Farben" trial, 12 Nov. 1947. Printed in: Udo Walendy
(ed.), Auschwitz im IG-Farben Prozess (1981), p. 119; Roger Manvell and
H. Fraenkel. The Incomparable Crime (New Yorlc 1967), p. 155; Buchenwald
Camp: The Report of a Parliamentary Delegation (IAXK1OrL HMSO, 1945),
pp. 4,5. 

15. "Official Army Report Lists Buchenwald as Extermination Factory, The
Washington Star, 29 April 1945, p. A7. 

16. U.S. Congressional Report on Camps, Doc. 159-L., IMT, Vol. 37, pp.
605-626; and Congressional Record (Senate), 15 May 1945, pp. 457S 4582. 

17. B. M. McKelway, "Buchenwald ...," The Washington Star, 29 April
1945, pp. Al, A7. 

18. B. M. McKelway, "Buchenwald ...," Washington Star, 29 April 1945, p.
A7; affidavit of H. Wilhelm Hammann of 6 March 1947. NO-2328. (Hamman
was an inmate from 1938 until April 1945.) 

19. E.W. Fleck and EA. Tenenbaurn, Buchenwald: A Prelinunary Report, 24
April 1945 (Cited above), p. 14; see also the photo of Jewish children
inmates at Buchenwald in: Robert Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart (New
York: Oxford, 1985), pp. 148-149. 

20. S. Wiesenthal (letter), Book & Bookmen (London), April 1975, p. 5. 

21. Nuremberg document 274-F (RF-301). If, Vol. 37, p. 148. 

22. IMT, Vol. 19, p. 434; NC&A, Suppl. Vol. A, p. 61. 

23. Georges Henocque, LesAutres de la Bàte (Paris: G. Duraissie, 1947),
p. 115. Facsimile reprint and commentary in Robert Faurisson, Memoire en
Defense (Paris: 1980), pp. 185-191. 

24. Paul Rassinier, Debunking the Genocide Myth (Torrance, CA.: The
Noontide Press, 1978), pp. 129-130. 

25. Eugene Levai, Black Book on the Martyrdom of Hungarian Jewry
(Zurich: 1948), p. 439. 

26. Earl Raab, The Anatomy of Nazism (New York ADL, 1979), photo caption
opposite page 21. The Buchenwald gassing myth was also propagated in:
Francis Tomczuk, "Days of Remembrance," American Legion Magazine, April
1985, p. 23. 

27. Die Zeit, 19 August 1960, p. 16 (Up. editiorr 26 August 1960). 

28. Germaine Tillion, Ravensbrueck (Garden City, NY: Anchor/Doubleday,
1975), p. 231. 

29. K Feig, Hitier's Death Camps, p. 100. 

30. Stefan Kanfer, "Author, Teacher, Witness," Time magazme, 18 March
1985, p. 79. 

31. "Buchenwald," Worid Book Encyclopedia, (1980 edition), Vol. 2, p.
550. 

32. "Buchenwald," Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 4, p. 1445. 

33. R Hilberg, "Buchenwald," Encyclopedia Americana (1982 edition), Vol.
4, p. 677. 

34. E. Fleck and E. Tenenbawn, Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report (cited
above), p. 18. 

35. 2171-PS. NCLA, Vol. 4, p. 801. 

36. Statement by Arolsen registry official Butterweck, 16 Jan. 1984.
Facsimile in: Deutsche National-Zeitung (Munich), Nr. 18, 27 April 1984,
p. 10. 

37. Buchenwald Camp: Thc Report of a Parliamentary Delegation (London:
HMSO, 1945), p. 5; 2171-PS. NC1EA, VoL 4, p. 821. 

38. Robert Abzug, Inside the Vicious Heart, pp. 49, 52. 

39. Marguerite Higgins, News Is a Singular Thing (Doubleday, 1955), p.
78-79. 

40. Elie WieseL Legends of Our Sune (New York Holt, Rinehart and
Winston, 1968), p. 140; Raul Hilberg, Destruction of the European Jews
(New York Holmes & Meier, 1985), p. 987. 

41. "Bis 1950: Buchenwald und Sachsenhausen," Amerika Woche (Chicago),
11 May 1985, p. 3; "Im Todeslager der Sowjets." D. National-Zeitung
(Munich), Nr. 47, 15 Nov. 1985, p. 4; "Soviet Camps Busy, Berlin Paper
Says," Ncw York Times, 10 Sept. 1949, p. 6. 

42. Letter by E. Krombholz of Aschaffenburg, "Erlebnisbericht aus einem
Sowjet-KZ," D. National-Zeitung (Munich), Nr. 11, 9 Mash 1984, p. 10;
see also sketches of conditions in Soviet-run Buchenwald by former
imnate Dr. Heinz Moller in: D. National-Zeitung (Munich), Nr. 6, 3 Feb.
1984, p. 5. 

43. "Nazi Death Camp ..." (AP) Gazette-Telegraph (Colorado Springs,
Co.), 1 July 1984, p. H12; "At Buchenwald ...," New York Times, 14 April
1985, pp. 1, 29. 




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The 'Liberation of the Camps': Facts vs. Lies
by Theodore J. O'Keefe

Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of the
Holocaust in the minds of Americans than the terrible scenes U.S. GIs
discovered when they entered the German concentration camps at the close
of World War II.
At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified American infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and
dying inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by showing
the GI's crematory ovens, alleged gas chambers, supposed implements of
torture, even shrunken heads and lampshades, gloves, and handbags
purportedly made from skin flayed from dead inmates.
U.S. government authorities, mindful that most Americans, who remembered
the atrocity stories fed them during World War I, still doubted the
Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to
"document" what the GI's had found in the camps. Prominent newsmen and
politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence, while the U.S.
Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for posterity. The
famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of horror, but no
longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown, and Dachau and
Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the American populace
as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody history of this
planet.
For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of torture
and terror -- became the basis not simply of a transitory propaganda
campaign but of the conviction that yes, it was true: the Germans did
exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas chambers. What
the GI's found was used, by way of films which were mandatory viewing
for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the German
people by destroying their national pride and their will to a united,
independent national state, imposing in their place overwhelming
feelings of collective guilt and political impotence. And when the
testimony, and the verdict, at Nuremberg incorporated most, if not all,
of the horror stories Americans were told about Dachau, Buchenwald, and
other places captured by the U.S. Army, the Holocaust could pass for one
of the most documented, one of the most authenticated, one of the most
proven historical episodes in the human record.
A different reality
But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the camps,
American authorities were aware that the real story of the camps was
quite different from the one in which they were coaching military public
information officers, government spokesmen, politicians, journalists,
and other mouthpieces.
When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in
the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes. Among them
was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists,
who was assigned to the Judge Advocate General's Department. Dr. Larson
performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps,
examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at
Dachau, he was questioned for three days by U.S. Army prosecutors. (note
1)
Dr. Larson's findings? According to an interview he gave to an American
journalist in 1980, "What we've heard is that six million Jews were
exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." (note 2) And what part was the
hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was
the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater,"
(note 3) informed Wichita Eagle reporter Jan Floerchinger that "never
was a case of poison gas uncovered." (note 4) Neither Dr. Larson nor any
other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any Holocaust historian
to substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether Zyklon-B
or any other variety.
Typhus, not poison gas
If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death?
Deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.
As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause
of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the other camps was disease, above all
typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind which until recently
flourished in places where populations were crowded together in
circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken
down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany
at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing,
quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse
of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to
catastrophe.
Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D.,
a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard
University School of Public Health, who was with U.S. forces in Germany
in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for
the outbreaks as follows:
Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left
by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions
contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade,
public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food
distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline
were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations
was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced.
(note 5) 
Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren't
deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases." (note
6) Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had
credited stories of deliberate starvations but had decided such stories
were untrue after inspecting the well-equipped kitchens and the
meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and
dispensed each day. Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread
popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able to document
a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.
No lampshades, no handbags, etc.
What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.
The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned hides
of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the
U.S. zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his
superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse
Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed
skins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." (note 7)
In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the
material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that
is was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human flesh. It was
almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair trial." (note 8) Ilse
Koch hanged herself in a West German jail in 1967.
It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been challenged
by believers in the Jewish Holocaust. Dr. Morgen informed the court that
he had been given full authority by Heinrich Himmler, commander of
Hitler's SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German concentration
camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption on the part of
the camp staffs. According to Dr. Morgen's sworn testimony at Nuremberg,
he investigated 800 such cases, in which over 200 convictions resulted.
(note 9) Punishments included the death penalty for the worst offenders,
including Hermann Florstedt, commandant of Lublin (Majdanek), and Karl
Koch, Ilse's husband, commandant of Buchenwald.
In reality, while camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical
punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in Berlin, and
it was required that a camp physician first certify the good health of
the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual
beating. (note 10) After all, the camps were throughout most of the war
important centers of industrial activity. The good health and morale of
the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is evidenced by
a 1942 order issued by SS-Brigadefuehrer Richard Gluecks, chief of the
office which controlled the concentration camps, which held camp
commanders "personally responsible for exhausting every possibility to
preserve the physical strength of the detainees." (note 11)
Concentration camp survivors merely victims?
U.S. Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps were not the guards
but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same stripe as
those who populate U.S. prisons today committed many villainies,
particularly when they held positions of authority, and fanatical
Communists, highly organized to combat their many political enemies
among the inmates, eliminated their foes with Stalinist ruthlessness.
Two U.S. Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A.
Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances in the camp before its
liberation. In a detailed report submitted to their superiors, they
revealed, in the words of Alfred Toombs, their commander, who wrote a
preface to the report, "how the prisoners themselves organized a deadly
terror within the Nazi terror." (note 12)
Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:
. . . The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death . . . The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald. 
Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article which appeared in The American Mercury shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the Communists
ate; those who didn't starved to death." (note 13)
Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by Ellis
E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the Seventh U.S. Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino Valley
College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the prisoners were
the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities on their fellow
prisoners." (note 14)
'Gas chambers'
On December 9, 1944 Col. Paul Kirk and Lt. Col. Edward J. Gully
inspected the German concentration camp at Natzweiler in Alsace. They
reported their findings to their superiors at the headquarters of the
U.S. 6th Army Group, which subsequently forwarded Kirk and Gully's
report to the War Crimes Division. While, significantly, the full text
of their report has never been published, it has been revealed, by an
author supportive of Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were
careful to characterize equipment exhibited to them by French informants
as a "so-called lethal gas chamber," and claim it was "allegedly used as
a lethal gas chamber". (note 15)
Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its effective
suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the confusion,
and the blaring publicity which accompanied official reports of alleged
gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a U.S. Army photo depicting a GI
gazing mournfully at a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones and
the German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger! Don't open!" was
identified as showing the murder weapon. Later, however, it was
evidently decided that the apparatus in question was merely a standard
delousing chamber for clothing, and another alleged gas chamber, this
one cunningly disguised as a shower room, was exhibited to American
congressmen and journalists as the site where thousands breathed their
last. While there exist numerous reports in the press as to the
operation of this second "gas chamber," no official report by trained
Army investigators has yet surfaced to reconcile such problems as the
function of the shower heads: Were they "dummies," or did lethal cyanide
gas stream through them? (Each theory has appreciable support in
journalistic and historiographical literature.)
As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
captured by the Allies. There was no end of propaganda about "gas
chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far not a single detailed
description of the murder weapon and its function, not a single report
of the kind that is mandatory for the successful prosecution of any
assault or murder case in America at that time and today, has come to
light.
Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly decreed
that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany after
all! All these things, we are told, were located in what is now Poland,
in areas captured by the Soviet Red Army and off-limits to Western
investigators. In 1960 Dr. Martin Broszat, who is now director of the
Munich-based Institute for Contemporary History, which is funded by the
West German government to support the Holocaust story, wrote a letter to
the German weekly Die Zeit in which he stated categorically: "Neither in
Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other
prisoners gassed." (note 16) Professional Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal
wrote in 1975 that "there were no extermination camps on German soil."
(note 17) And Dachau "gas chamber" No. 2, which was once presented to a
stunned and grieving world as a weapon which claimed hundreds of
thousands of lives, is now described in the brochure issued to tourists
at the modern Dachau "memorial site" in these words: "This gas chamber,
camouflaged as a shower room, was not used." (note 18)
The propaganda intensifies
More than forty years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald,
and the other German camps, and trained American investigators
established the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media in
New York continue to churn out millions of words and images annually on
the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust. Despite the
fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy, no enemy of
America has ever so suffered so complete and devastating defeat as did
Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and bureaucrats
behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration camps continue to
exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers continue to distort,
through ignorance or malice, the facts about the camps.
Time for the truth
It is time that the government and the professional historians revealed
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald, and the other camps. It is time that
they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how they
didn't die. It is time that the claims as to mass murder by gassing were
clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other claims of
murder are dealt with. It is time that the free ride certain groups have
enjoyed as the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be terminated,
just as it is time that other groups, including Germans, eastern
Europeans, the Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime leadership of
America and Britain stop being scapegoated, either for their alleged
role in the Holocaust or their supposed failure to stop it.
Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great democratic
Republic have the facts about the camps, facts which they possess a
right to know, a right that is fundamental to the exercise of their
authority and their will in the governance of their country. As citizens
and as taxpayers, Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths,
have a basic right and an overriding interest in determining the facts
of incidents which are deemed by those in positions of power to be
determinative in America's foreign policy, in its educational policy, in
its selection of past events to be memorialized in our civic life. The
alleged facts of the Holocaust are today at issue all over the civilized
world: in Germany, in France, in Italy, in Britain, in the Low Countries
and Scandinavia, in Japan, across our border in Canada and in the United
States of America itself. The truth will be decided only by recourse to
the facts, in the public forum: not by concealing the facts, denying the
truth, stonewalling reality. The truth will out, and it is time the
government of this country, and governments and international bodies
throughout the world, made public and patent the evidence of what
actually transpired in the German concentration camps in the years 1933-
1945, so that we may put paid to the lies, without fear or favor, and
carry out the work of reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the
granite foundation of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace
based on justice, rather than on guns, barbed wire, prisons, and lies.
Conclusions
The conclusions of the early U.S. Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:
The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result of a
German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of epidemics of
typhus and other disease brought about largely by the effects of Allied
aerial attacks.
Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and others
into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or amusement were
sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German authorities
consistently punished corruption and cruelty on the part of camp
commanders and guards.
On the other hand, the representations of the newly liberated inmates to
have been saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from
the truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on camp detainees
were the work of their fellow prisoners, in contravention of German
policy and German orders.
The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers had been used either for
bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they had
been used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible
fabrication. Orthodox, Establishment historians and professional "Natzi-
hunters" have quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau,
Buchenwald, and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep
silent regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to
evade an open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at
Auschwitz and the other camps captured by the Soviets.
Notes
Crime Doctor, a biography of Larson by John D. McCallum, Mercer,
Washington & Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, 1979, p. 69.
Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, p. 4C.
Crime Doctor, p. 46.
Wichita Eagle, April 1, 1980, 4G.
John E. Gordon, "Louse-Borne Typhus Fever in the European Theater of
Operations, U.S. Army, 1945," in Forest Ray Moulton, Ed., Rickettsial
Diseases of Man, Am. Acad. for the Advancement of Science, Washington
D.C. 1948.
Toronto Star, February 8, 1985, p. A2.
New York Times, 24 September 1948, p. 3.
Interview with Lucius Clay, Official Proceeding of the George C.
Marshall Research Foundation, cited in "Buchenwald: Legend and Reality,"
Mark Weber, The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 7, no. 4.
International Military Tribunal, Vol. XVII, p. 556; IMT, Vol. XX, pp.
489, 438.
Cited in The Theory and Practice of Hell, Eugen Kogon, Berkley Books,
New York, pp. 108-109.
Nuremberg document NO-1523.
Buchenwald: A Preliminary Report, Egon W. Fleck and Edward A. Tenenbaum,
U.S. Army, 12th Army Group, 24 April 1945. National Archives, Record
Group 331, SHAEF, G-5, 17.11, Jacket 10, Box 151 (8929/163-8929/180).
"Communist Atrocities at Buchenwald," Donald B. Robinson, in American
Mercury, October 1946.
San Bernardino Sun-Telegram, March 13, 1966 (cited in The Man Who
Invented 'Genocide,' James J. Martin, Institute for Historical Review,
IHR, 1984, pp. 110-111.
"Concentration Camp at Natzwiller [sic]," RG 331, Records of Allied
Operations and Occupation, Army Headquarters WW2, SHAEF/G-5/2717, Modern
Military, National Archives, Washington, D.C., cited in Robert H. Abzug,
Inside the Vicious Heart, Oxford University Press, New York, 1985, p.
10, p. 181.
Die Zeit, Hamburg, Germany, August 26, 1960.
Books & Bookmen, April 1975, Vol. 7, p. 5.
Leaflet, Memorial Site Concentration Camp Dachau, The International
Dachau-Committee, Dachau, Germany, n.d.
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Two more trains, carrying 5,000 people again left for Auschwitz, where
the same mystery was repeated. Two thousand were selected for the labour
commandos; the rest were admitted to quarantine. They are clearly
indicated in the Birkenau employment list of May 11th 1944. 1,452
Theresienstadt Jews were still on the Quarantine Section, IIb, but 1,575
were described as in 'readiness for transport' [Vorbereitung zum
Transport] and this in the officialese of Auschwitz, had only one
meaning, which was 'waiting for the gas chamber'. 


[The Final Solution (1968) by G.Reitlinger p183]

Look through any 'holocaust' book and you will find numerous examples of
the Germans using 'camouflage' terms or codewords, getting the Jews to
send off fake postcards, showerheads to disguise a gas chamber, gas
chambers described on plans of Crematoria as Lichenkeller [morgue] and
so on..... 

Try going through Reitlingers "book" and counting the examples of
deliberate German deception.    

You will be amazed.


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"the Soviet archive documents reveal that the total coke consumption of 
the crematories in the Auschwitz camp from start to finish was 2,188 
tonnes.

  CREMATORIUM I:            TONS OF COKE

Nov. 1,  1940 - Feb 28, 1941:    41.6

Mar. 1,  1941 - Oct 31, 1941:   166.4

Nov. 1,  1941 - Jan 31, 1942:    93.6

Feb. 16, 1942 - Feb 28, 1943:   395.5

CREMATORIA I-V:
Mar 15 - Oct. 31,1943:          568

Crematoria II-III
Jan 1, 1943-Nov 27, 1944        923

    total       2,188 tons

Even if we reduce the amount of fuel needed per cadaver to thirty-five 
kilo-grammes, this still yields a maximum figure of around 62,500 
cadavers handled by the Auschwitz crematories, which is remarkably close 
to the figure already calculated by those of Pressac's former 
revisionist buddies who were able to do the simple sums needed to 
establish the maximum number of bodies that the known number of 
crematory ovens could have handled during the three years they were in 
operation.

The new death-roll figures fall some way short of the four million 
originally commemorated by a plaque at the site, or even the 1 million 
figure recently adopted in its place (Pressac prefers to suggest a 
figure of 800,000 dead at Auschwitz.)

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says Andy Saunders, who co-wrote the work with Richard Wolfson. In fact,
the Austrian police did look in before the start of the event — which
was staged  last Sunday and Monday, as part of of Judische Kultur in
Wien, a month-long festival of Jewish culture in the arts— but only to
make a routine security check of the hall.

[More waffle, but cut because I'm bored with this rubbish,]

If you want the recording as I am sure you do.....

• Kaddish is available on COMPLETE CRAP records 
(CIDX 8039) . 
The work will be performed  by Towering Inferno at Shepherds Bush Empire
on December 3.


[OH DEAR WE MISSED IT.]

>from  the "Times" November 17th 1995.



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Rudolf Hoess
Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess is often cited as one of the most
important witnesses to the "Holocaust," if not the most important. His
affidavit and testimony were quoted extensively both by the prosecution
and in the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.
It was this affidavit, and his later confirmation of its truthfulness,
that laid the foundation for and validated the extermination story of
Auschwitz. His affidavit read, in part: (note 1)
I, Rudolf Franz Ferdinand Hoess, being first duly sworn, depose and say
as follows:
2. ... I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at
least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing
and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation
and disease making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure
represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as
prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor
in the concentration camp industries. 
When Hoess testified at the Nuremberg trial, this portion of the
affidavit was read to him, and he reaffirmed its accuracy: (note 2)
DR. KAUFFMANN: ... From 1940 to 1943, you were the Commander of the camp
at Auschwitz. Is that true?
HOESS: Yes.
... COL. AMEN: I will omit the first paragraph and start with Paragraph
2 [of Hoess' affidavit, the text of which is shown above].
"I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, [etc.] ..." This is all
true, Witness?
HOESS: Yes, it is. 
This sworn testimony figured prominently in the decision of the
Tribunal. (note 3)
Since then, Hoess' testimony and affidavit have been heavily relied upon
by "Holocaust" researchers from Raul Hilberg to Jean-Claude Pressac.
Hundreds of histories, testimonies, and treatments of the Third Reich
era quote Hoess to show the brutality and evilness of the Nazis.
Visitors to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum are confronted with a
plaque bearing Hoess' words upon entering the Museum.
We now know that Hoess was beaten almost to death by Jewish members of
the British Field Police upon capture and badly mistreated thereafter
until he gave his "affidavit" and "testimony." His wife and children
were threated with deportation to Siberia. (note 4)
Clarke yelled: 'What is your name?'
With each answer of 'Franz Lang,' Clarke's hand crashed into the face of
his prisoner. The fourth time that happened, Hoess broke and admitted
who he was.
The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of the Jewish sergeants in
the arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an
order signed by Hoess.
The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it
seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: 'Call them off,
unless you want to take back a corpse.'
... The party arrived by at Heide around three in the morning. The snow
was swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Hoess and he was made
to walk completely nude through the prison yard to his cell.
It took three days to get a coherent statement out of him. But once he
started talking, there was no holding him.
He also spoke of his mistreatment in his "autobiography." (note 5)
I was taken to Heide where I was put in those very barracks from which I
had been released by the British eight months earlier.
At my first interrogation, evidence was obtained by beating me. I do not
know what is in the record, although I signed it. Alcohol and the whip
were too much for me. The whip was my own, which by chance had got into
my wife's luggage. It had hardly ever touched my horse, far less the
prisoners. Nevertheless, one of my interrogators was convinced that I
had perpetually used it for flogging the prisoners.
After some days I was taken to Minden-on-the-Weser, the main
interrogation center in the British Zone. There I received further rough
treatment at the hands of the English public prosecutor, a major.
The conditions in the prison accorded with this behavior. 
Although historians were careful not to examine the implications of
Hoess' torture, some realized the problems with Hoess' claims, and made
adjustments accordingly:
Raul Hilberg referred to Hoess' statements both in his 1961 book The
Destruction of European Jewry, and in his massive, three-volume second
(and supposedly definitive) 1985 edition.
Jean-Claude Pressac likewise relies heavily on Hoess, but rather than
avoiding the trouble spots, simply "corrects" Hoess.
Stephen Paskuly, editor of a recently-released edition of Hoess' diary
and other writings, "corrects" Hoess as well.
Eugen Kogon, in Nazi Mass Murder, "corrects" Hoess' memory of dates.
Historians today are finally admitting that Hoess is an unreliable
witness. The figures of dead he gave for Auschwitz are totally false. He
swore that 2,500,000 people were gassed and burned at Auschwitz and a
further half million died of disease for a total dead of 3,000,000.
Today, the figure of dead claimed for Auschwitz is 800,000 to 1,100,000,
a figure that is in danger of further downward revisions. Hoess also
spoke of a concentration camp by the name of "Wolzek," which does not
and never did exist.
With the growing popularity of Holocaust revisionism, more and more
people from outside the ranks of traditional historians are looking
critically at Holocaust claims, many for the first time. Christopher
Hitchens is one such person. After hearing that there were questions
about the Hoess testimony, Hitchens examined the revisionist position,
and questioned some leading Holocaust scholars about the revisionist
claims, Hitchens wrote: (note)
... The revisionists sent me an article by a Frenchman named Robert
Faurisson, which claimed that Rudolf Hoess, one of the commandants of
Auschwitz, had been tortured by the British into confessing to a
fantastic and unbelievable number of murders. 'I declare herewith under
oath that in the years 1941 to 1943, during my tenure in office as
commandant of Auschwitz Concentration Camp, 2 million Jews were put to
death by gassing and 1/2 million by other means.' This statement,
specially mounted and reproduced, is an important exhibit at the
Holocaust Memorial.
I then got in touch with [Deborah] Lipstadt and [Christopher] Browning
for their responses, which were surprising: 'Hoess was always a very
weak and confused witness,' said Browning, who has been an expert
witness at trials involving Auschwitz. 'The revisionists use him all the
time for this reason, in order to try and discredit the memory of
Auschwitz as a whole.' And Professor Lipstadt directed me to page 188 of
her book, which is quite a page. It says that the stories about the
Nazis making Jews into soap are entirely untrue, and it also says that
while the memorial stone at Auschwitz itself lists the number of victims
-- Jews and non-Jews -- at 4 million, the truer figure is somewhere
between 1.5 and 2 million. Since Hoess was the commandant of the place
for only part of its existence, this means that -- according to the
counter-revisionists -- an important piece of evidence in the Holocaust
Memorial is not reliable. A vertiginous sensation if you like.
'It's the same with the soap story,' said Lipstadt. 'I get protests from
survivors, saying that I shouldn't admit it's not true, because it gives
ammunition to the enemy. But I'm only interested in getting at the
truth.' An old-fashioned concept. 
But as we have shown, it is not the revisionists who have used Hoess'
affidavit and testimony, but rather the traditional "Holocaust"
historians. It is only through the efforts of the revisionists that we
have begun to catch a glimpse of the true value of Hoess' affidavit and
testimony. In a meeting between French revisionist Robert Faurisson and
Michael Berenbaum, an official of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in
September 1994, Berenbaum admitted to Faurisson in front of witnesses
that the Hoess quote on display at the Museum was misleading, and that
it would be taken down.
Notes
Nazi Conspiracy And Aggression. Nuremberg, Germany; United States
Government Printing Office, 1946. Volume VI, page 787. Translation of
Document 3868-PS.
Trial Of The Major War Criminals. Nuremberg, Germany; United States
Government Printing Office; 1947. Volume XI, Proceedings 8 April 1946-17
April 1946; page 396.
USSR-8, 3868-PS (USA-819), NI-034, 008-USSR. IMT, Vol. 39, pp. 241,
261.; IMT, vol. 7, p. 589; NMT, vol. 5, p. 1131; NO-1210
Legions Of Death. (Rupert Butler. Great Britain: 1983. Hamlyn
Paperbacks; page 237).
Commandant Of Auschwitz. (London: 1959. Weidenfeld and Nicolson; page
174.) Recently re-released with additional material as Death Dealer by
Prometheus Books.
"Whose History Is It?" (Christopher Hitchens. Vanity Fair, December
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Hoess's statement,which was made quite voluntarily, read as follows:

'Statement made voluntarily at [the name was omitted] gaol by Rudolf
Hoess, former Commandant of Auschwitz Concentration camp on 16th March,
1946. I personally arranged on orders recieved from Himmler in May 1941,
the gassing of two million persons between June-July 1941 and the end of
1943, during which time I was Commandant of Auschwitz.

Signed, Rudolf Hoess.'

[P15 Foreword - Commandant of Auschwitz.]

The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it
seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: 'Call them off,
unless you want to take back a corpse.'
[Legions Of Death. (Rupert Butler. Great Britain: 1983. Hamlyn
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The Franke-Gricksch 'Resettlement Action Report': A Fabrication
The Franke-Gricksch Report is considered by many to be an extremely
important document in making the case for mass exterminations. Gerald
Fleming, for example, devotes an entire chapter of his book ";Hitler and
the Final Solution"; to an evaluation of this document.
According to legend, the original document was supposedly found in Major
Alfred Franke-Gricksch's career file by Eric Lipman, an officer with the
War Crimes Branch of the U.S. Third Army (supposedly Lipman was tipped
to its existence after finding a carbon copy of the document somewhere
in Bavaria). Lipman supposedly excerpted the Report from the document by
making a typescript copy (that is, typing a copy in German from the
German original). The carbon copy of the original was then turned over
to the prosecution team at Nuremberg, while the original (according to
Pressac) is now thought to be preserved in the National Archives
Collection reference NA RG 238. However, the original seems to have
become lost, and as of the middle of 1991 no one else has seen hide nor
hair of it.
The American prosecution team at Nuremberg never made use of this
document, which raises the question as to whether they ever received it,
which in turn raises questions at to whether it even exists.
On Gerald Fleming's part, on February 19, 1991, Brian Renk requested a
copy of the carbon copy of the original document from which the Report
was allegedly excerpted. Fleming responded by sending a photocopy of the
Report ONLY, this in spite of the fact that Fleming has claimed to have
in his possession one of three carbon copies of the original document.
Fleming doesn't mention that the Franke-Gricksch ";report"; is but part
of a larger document, and that is just one of the problems he has with
this document. For example, in his book he fails to state that the
document to which he devotes an entire chapter is nowhere signed by
Franke-Gricksch. He also erroneously stated in a private letter to F-G's
widow that her husband had signed this Report. He also avoids mentioning
the peculiarities in the document (discussed below). He also finds fault
with only one portion of the Report, and then goes on to quote Filip
Mueller as an expert on the topic! Therefore, Fleming is ignorant of the
true source of the document, and overlooks (conceals? misrepresents?)
problems in the document in order to make his point.
Fleming does not let the F-G report off the hook completely, however. He
states:
Franke-Gricksch's account of 'the execution of the Fuehrer-order,";
namely, the lowering of 'certain materials' into a large cellar room
resembling a 'shower bath' and activation and release of 'particular
substances that put people to sleep in one minute' is a fraudulent and
cynical white-washing of death by gassing. 
What we are left with then, is no original or carbon copy thereof, and
the only evidence we have of this document's existence is the excerpted
Report, the deficiencies of which I shall examine now.
Among of the most obvious things wrong with this ";document"; is the
accidental use of English words in place of German words. Some of these
anglicisms were corrected on the typescript copy, some where not. For
example, on the first line of the report, ";had"; for ";hat;"; ";der,";
the second word of line 2, typed over ";the;"; and on line 3, ";hier";
typed over ";here."; On line 8 of the second page of the report, the
alleged copyist typed ";had,"; but corrected it to ";hat,"; only to
begin the following word with ";t"; (evidently for ";the";) before
catching that and typing the correct German definite article ";die.";
Furthermore, in the final paragraph of page 1, the English participial
ending ";d"; is twice typed for the German ";t,"; that is
";ausgestatted"; for ";ausgestattet"; on line 5, which has been
corrected, and ";gebaded"; for ";gebadet"; on line 9. Last but not
least, the verb ";kommt"; is used twice with the same subject in the
sentence beginning on line 6 of the third paragraph of line 1.
All that aside, any reasonable person reading this ";report"; would
immediately suspect something is wrong. Where is this ";house?"; Where
are the hollow pillars? What "certain substances" are used? How is it
possible to open the doors a few minutes after a lethal gassing when a
deadly poison is supposedly still rampant in the air? How can the hair
be cut off without first rinsing it of the poison gas? Just how big is
this house that it has elevators for hundreds of dead people? Is it
normal for large Polish houses to have ten large crematories? By what
amazing physical property do fresh corpses burn particularly well? If it
takes a modern crematory 2 to 3 hours to partially dispose of a human
corpse, how can 10,000 corpses be disposed of in 24 hours with only 10
crematories?
Pressac says (on page 244), ";On 28th June, following the handover of
Krematorium III, the last one to be completed, Jaehrling calculated the
overall throughput for the five Krematorien as 4,756 people in 24 hours,
and sent this information to SS General Kammler in Berlin (Document 68).
This official figure, coolly doubled when explaining operations to high-
ranking visitors (ef. SS Major Franke-Gricksch's report above, giving a
figure of 10,000 in 24 hours), had no basis in practice, and probably
has to be divided by two or three to arrive at the true figure.";
Pressac is also much less generous than Fleming regarding other aspects
of the Franke-Gricksch ";report."; Among the points he notes in this
report are:
The ";large house"; is actually Krema II at Birkenau.
There are not 5 or 6 steps into the Leichenkeller, but 10.
There are not 3 pillars inside the ";gas chamber"; but 4.
The ";doors"; cannot be closed when there is only one door involved.
There is no door to open ";on the other side"; because again there is
only one door.
The lift does not take the corpses to the first floor, but to the ground
floor.
There are not 10 crematoria furnaces but 5 three-muffle furnaces.
There were probably not 500,000 Jews in killed in May, 1943, and true
number is somewhere between 200,000 and 250,000.
The capacity of Krema II was not 10,000 per 24 hours, but rather 4,756
for all FIVE crematoria combined, and even this is a theoretical output
";that was never achieved in 1943, as proved by the Krematorium coke
consumption."; Pressac calls this claim ";another Auschwitz SS
propaganda figure passed on by Franke-Gricksch.";
To make up for these deficiencies, Pressac follows his usual procedure
of concocting an elaborate scenario in an attempt to preserve the
desirable portions of the Report while shrugging off the ridiculous
portions.
Even at this, Pressac misses some of the problems with this document.
For example:
He fails to explain how the Sonderkommando members could have resisted
the lingering Zyklon B gas as they went to work hauling bodies from the
gas chamber, removing gold teeth, etc., only ";a few minutes"; after the
killings.
Anyone visiting the ruins of Leichenkeller I can see that the four
pillars are not hollow at all, but are solid, which would have prevented
anything from being dropped down them.
Pressac fails to address the assertion that ";fresh corpses burn
particularly well.";
Pressac ignores the Report's mention of a ";special rail track into an
area of the camp specifically set aside for this purpose."; Although
there was a rail spur into Birkenau, work was not begun on it until
January, 1944. (This single reference, by the way, is enough by itself
to show that this document is almost certainly a post-war forgery.)
Unmentioned by both Fleming and Pressac is the fact that nowhere in the
report does it say that Franke-Gricksch SAW the process he describes. In
fact, the report claims he was given a tour of the facilities and the
process was explained to him. We know from the records at Auschwitz that
Franke-Gricksch was there from May 14-16, 1943.
These are certainly remarkable characteristics for what Fleming,
Pressac, and others advance as a simple transcription of a German
original. A less trusting (or perhaps more scrupulous) interpreter would
be well within his rights to suggest that this document was based on an
English-language, not German-language, source.
In short, what we have here is 1) a carbon copy of a typed copy of a
carbon copy of an original document, and this original document has
never surfaced, 2) gross errors in the typed copy that would lead any
scholar to suspect that the ";Report"; was not copied from a German
document, but translated from an English original (that is, forged), and
3) several inaccuracies in the Report itself, at least one of which
damns the Report as a forgery.
Ask yourself this question: with all the tons and tons of papers removed
>from  Germany after the war, with all the code intercepts during the war,
with all the intelligence activity during the war, why do
exterminationists find themselves forced to refer to transparent
fabrications such as the Franke-Gricksch Report to support their
position? The mass gassing of millions of Jews (and millions of others)
is no easy task, and would certainly leave behind some trace. Without
this trace, the only conclusion is that it never happened. 
y
Anyone interested in a fuller treatment of this document are directed to
";The Franke-Gricksch 'Resettlement Action Report': Anatomy of a
Fabrication,"; by Brian Renk, which appeared in the Fall 1991 Journal of
Historical Review, page 261.
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From: Jeffrey 
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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
> There's BTW a patent, submitted by the very same Topf firm
> in 1951, which gives a cremation time of 30-45 minutes
> per corpse. It is not the same type of furnace as the
> one used in Birkenau, but this figure obviously means
> a lot, assuming the science of cremation has not made
> a quantum leap right after the war. Once more, the
> revisionazis have failed to do their homework."

So let's use Karen's figures to work out the crematory rates for 
Birkenau, after all, he knows better than Ivan Lagace, an "intellectual 
zero" who was granted Expert status on Cremation at the Zundel trial, 

["Lagace estimated that the 46 retorts at Birkenau could handle about
184 
bodies daily, or four apiece." (Holocaust on Trial Page 239)]


There was 46 retorts at Auschwitz II (Birkenau).

At the best possible rate [on 1951 figures], flat out with no problems,
maintenance, tea breaks, etc at 30 minutes the 46 retorts at Birkenau 
would have cremated:-

46 * 24 * 2 = 2208 corpses a day.  


A bit short of the SS estimate of 4,756 a day. 
[letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, June 25
1943, see "Auschwitz:Technique and operation of the gas chambers" - J.C
Pressac,the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, NY, 1989, p. 
247] 

And a little short of the Polish Commission of Inquiry's estimate of
12,000 a day. [The Final Solution [1968]; Reitlinger page 159]

And even Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz, who seems to have a lot of
problems with numbers  -------- 16,000 a day. 
[The Final Solution [1968]; Reitlinger page 159]

And just a little bit short of inmate Olga lengel's estimate of 17,280 a
day. ("Five chimmeys" P68 cited in; Destruction of the European Jews
1961 
Hilberg page 629) 

And just a little bit short of Dr Nysizli's estimate of 20,000 a day.
[The Final Solution [1968]; Reitlinger page 159]


At the next possible rate [on 1951 figures], flat out with no tea 
breaks, etc at 45 minutes the 46 retorts at Birkenau would have 
cremated:-

46 * 32 = 1472 corpses per day.  

A bit short of the SS estimate of       ------------------ 4,756 a day. 
And a little short of the Polish Commission's estimate of 12,000 a day. 
Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz,               -------- 16,000 a day. 
Inmate Olga lengel's estimate --------------------------- 17,280 a day.
Dr Nysizli's estimate ----------------------------------- 20,000 a day.

However, these were 1951 figures, for the 1940s, let's make it a hour 
per corpse:-  

46 * 24 = 1104 a day. 

A bit short of the SS estimate of       ------------------ 4,756 a day. 
And a little short of the Polish Commission's estimate of 12,000 a day. 
Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz, he's wrong again------ 16,000 a day. 
Inmate Olga lengel's estimate --------------------------- 17,280 a day.
Dr Nysizli's estimate ----------------------------------- 20,000 a day.


However, let's remember that the Nazis [or the Jewish Sonderkommando who
actually 
operated the retorts, who worked hard and were highly trained] stuck 3 
corpses in at a time, in every retort, right through those 24 hours,
despite the fact the retorts were designed for single corpse cremation. 

Now let us IGNORE the idea that this might take 3 times as long, 
and say it will take the SAME time as for 1 corpse, as everyone knows 
it would, otherwise we may be classed as intellectual zeros, and we 
wouldn't want that would we.  

1) Best possible rate [1951] 46 * 48 = 6624. [10 minutes per corpse]

2) Next best rate [1951]     46 * 32 = 4416. [15 minutes per corpse]

3) 1940's rate               46 * 24 = 3312. [20 minutes per corpse]

At last the SS estimate is in range.   ------------------ 4,756 a day. 
But a little short of the Polish Commission's estimate of 12,000 a day. 
Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz, he's wrong again------ 16,000 a day. 
Inmate Olga lengel's estimate --------------------------- 17,280 a day.
Dr Nysizli's estimate ----------------------------------- 20,000 a day.


Now that's better, that SS estimate   FITS.

Pity it's a forgery. 


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DOCUMENTS

The standard version of events is that the Allies examined 100,000
documents
and chose 1,000 which were introduced into evidence, and that the
original
documents were then deposited in the Peace Palace at The Hague. This is
rather inexact.

The documents used in evidence at Nuremberg consisted largely of
"photocopies"
of "copies". Many of these original documents were written entirely
on plain paper without handwritten markings of any kind, by unknown
persons.
Occasionally, there is an illegible initial or signature of a more or
less
unknown person certifying the document as a 'true copy'. Sometimes there
are German stamps, sometimes not. Many have been 'found' by the
Russians,
or 'certified authentic' by Soviet War Crimes Commissions.

Volume XXXIII, a document volume taken at random, contains 20
interrogations
or affidavits, 12 photocopies, 5 unsigned copies, 5 original documents
with
signatures, 4 copies of printed material, 3 mimeographed copies, 3
teletypes,
1 microfilm copy, 1 copy signed by somebody else and 1 unspecified.

The Hague has few, if any, original documents. The Hauge has many
original
postwar 'affidavits', or sworn statements, the Tribunal Commission
transcripts,
and much valuable defense material. They have the 'human soap', which
has
never been tested, and the 'original human soap recipe' (Document USSR-
196),
which is a forgery; but apparently no original wartime German documents.
The Hague has negative photostats of these documents, on extremely
brittle
paper which has been stapled. To photocopy the photostats, the staples
are
removed. When they are re-stapled more holes are made. Most of these
documents
have not been photocopied very often, and officials at The Hague say it
is very unusual for anyone to ask to see them.

The National Archives in Washington (see Telford Taylor's Use of
Captured
German and Related Documents, A National Archive Conference) claim
that the original documents are in The Hague. The Hague claims the
original
documents are in the National Archives.

The Stadtsarchiv Nurnberg and the Bundesarchiv Koblenz also have no
original
documents, and both say the original documents are in Washington. Since
the originals are, in most cases, 'copies', there is often no proof that
the documents in question ever existed.

Robert Jackson got the trial off to a start by quoting the following
forged
or otherwise worthless documents (II 120-142): 1947-PS; 1721-PS; 1014-
PS;
81-PS; 212-PS; and many others.

1947-PS is a 'copy' of a 'translation' of a letter from General Fritsch
to the Baroness von Schutzbar-Milchling. The Baroness later signed an
affidavit
stating that she never received the letter in question (XXI-381).

The falsified 'letter' from General Fritsch to the Baroness von
Schutzbar-Milchling
was recognized as such during the trial and is not included in the
document
volumes, where it should appear at XXVIII 44. Jackson was not, however,
admonished by the Tribunal. (XXI 380)

The enthusiastic Americans apparently forged 15 of these 'translations',
after which the original documents all disappeared (See Taylor, Captured
Documents).

1721-PS is a forgery in which an SA man writes a report to himself about
how he is carrying out an order which is quoted verbatim in the report.
Handwritten markings on page 1 (XXI-137-141; 195-198; 425; XXII 148-150.
See also Testimony Before the Commission, Fuss, 25 April, and
Lucke, 7 May 1946). The National Archives have a positive photostat of
1721-PS,
and The Hague has a negative photostat. The 'original' is a photocopy
(XXVII
485).

1014-PS is a falsified 'Hitler Speech' written on plain paper by an
unknown
person. The document bears the heading 'Second Speech' although it is
known
that Hitler gave only one speech on that date. There are four versions
of
this speech, 3 of them forgeries: 1014-PS, 798-PS, L-3, and an authentic
version, Ra-27 (XVII-406-408; XVIII 390-402; XXII 65).

The third forgery, Document L-3, bears an FBI laboratory stamp and was
never
even accepted into evidence (II 286), but 250 copies of it were given to
the press as authentic (II 286).

[Photograph captioned, "Court in session at Nuremberg."]

This document is quoted by A.J.P. Taylor on page 254 of The Origins
of the Second World War (Fawcett Paperbacks, 2nd Edition, with Answer
to his Critics) giving his source as German Foreign Policy, Series D
vii,
No 192 and 193.

L-3 is the source of many statements attributed to Hitler, particularly
"who today remembers the fate of the Armenians?" and "our
enemies are little worms, I saw them at Munich". 'Hitler' also compares
himself to Genghis Khan and says he will exterminate the Poles, and kick
Chamberlain in the groin in front of the photographers. The document
appears
to have been prepared on the same typewriter as many other Nuremberg
documents,
including the two other versions of the same speech. This typewriter was
probably a Martin from the Triumph-Adler-Werke, Nuremberg.

81-PS is a 'certified true copy' of an unsigned letter on plain paper
prepared
by an unknown person. If authentic, it is the first draft of a letter
never
sent. This is invariably spoken of as a letter written by Rosenberg,
which
Rosenberg denied (XI 510-511). The document lacks signature, initial,
blank
journal number (a bureaucratic marking) and was not found among the
papers
of the person to whom it was addressed. (XVII 612). 81-PS is a
'photocopy'
with a Soviet exhibit number (USSR-353, XXV 156-161).

212-PS was also prepared by an unknown person, entirely on plain paper,
without any handwritten markings, date, address, or stamp (III 540, XXV
302-306; see also photocopies of negative photostats from The Hague).

This is, unfortunately, only typical. Document 386-PS, the 'Hossbach
Protokoll',
Hitler's supposed speech of 5 November 1938, is a certified photocopy of
a microfilm copy of a re-typed 'certified true copy' prepared by an
American,
of a re-typed 'certified true copy' prepared by a German, of
unauthenticated
handwritten notes by Hossbach, of a speech by Hitler, written from
memory
5 days later. This is not the worst document, but one of the best,
because
we know who made one of the copies. The text of 386-PS has been 'edited'
(XLII 228-230).

Thus 'trial by document' works as follows: A, an unknown person, listens
to alleged 'oral statements' made by B, and takes notes or prepares a
document
on the basis of those alleged oral statements. The document is then
introduced
into evidence, not against A, who made the copy, but against B, C, D, E
and a host of other people, although there is nothing to connect them
with
the document or the alleged statements. It is casually stated as fact
that
'B said', or that 'C did', or that 'D and E knew'. This is contrary to
the
rules of evidence of all civilised countries. Nor are the documents
identified
by witnesses.

The forgery of original documents was rarely resorted to at Nuremberg,
because
the documents were not brought to court. The "original document"
- that is, the original unsigned "copy" - was kept in a safe in
the Document Centre (II 195, 256-258).

Then, 2 "photocopies" of the "copy" (V 21) or 6 photocopies
(II 251-253) were prepared and brought to court. All other copies were
re-typed
on a mimeograph using a stencil (IX 504).

In the transcript, the word "original" is used to mean "photocopy"
(II 249-250, XIII 200, 508, 519; XV 43, 169, 171, 327) to distinguish
the
photocopies from the mimeograph copies (IV 245-246).

"Translations" of all documents were available from the beginning
of the trial (II 158-161, 191, 195, 215, 249-250, 277, 415, 437) but the
"original" German texts were not available until at least two
months later. This applies not just to the trial briefs and indictment,
etc. but to ALL DOCUMENTS. The defense received no documents in German
until
after January 9, 1946 (V 22-26).

Documents which appear to have been prepared on the same typewriter
include
Document 3803-PS, a letter from Kaltenbrunner to the Mayor of Vienna,
and
the cover letter from this same Mayor sending Kaltenbrunner's letter to
the Tribunal (XI 345-348). This letter from Kaltenbrunner contains a
false
geographical term (XIV 416).

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A bit later in their booklet ( brought out to counter Richard Harwood's
Did 6 million really die? in  S.Africa ) , Suzman and Diamond dealt with
an interesting 1964 English civil case called Dering  v. Uris et al.
They called it a a striking confirmation of the "inhuman medical
experiments carried out upon Jewish inmates of Auschwitz," and noted
that the plaintiff Dering alleged he was libelled in the book Exodus by
Leon Uris, and won a halfpenny  in damages from the jury.
(Professor Robert)  Faurisson  recalled that in the 1960s he read the
book Auschwitz in England, by two British lawyers, which dealt with  the
trial. Wladislaw Dering was a Polish surgeon who worked at Auschwitz and
was accused by Uris of having operated without anesthesia on 17,000
female internees.  

Suzman and Diamond declined to give that number, however, because, as
Faurisson explained, during the course of the trial it melted first to
"a big number," then to "130 people, men and women", then to "perhaps
five people," and finally to  "perhaps two or three cases [which] were
not quite clear." The meltdown was greatly facilitated by Dering's
ability to obtain from the Auschwitz Museum the register of surgical
operations, said Faurisson, who observed that  the Germans used to put
everything in writing....We must realize that in Auschwitz when there
was one natural death, we had 21 signatures, and when it was a [suicide
or other unnatural death], more than 30" signatures were affixed to a
document about the death.
 Where do you get those numbers? asked Christie.
>From  the International Committee of Auschwitz, as published in The
Anthology of Auschwitz, replied Faurisson.
The Dering trial is very important, he continued. Day after day, they
eliminated names [of alleged victims]. On  reaching five, "they
discovered that [even] those operations had not been done without
anesthesia, but with a kind of anesthesia that was [new] at that time.
We call that rachis anesthesia which is in the cerebral spine. It is a
partial anesthesia."
And where does this information come from? asked Christie [defence
counsel for Zundel].
>From  'Auschwitz in England', said Faurisson.
The jury awarded Dering one halfpenny, but the judge ordered him to pay
for the trial nevertheless. Dering said, "My honour is saved, but
financially I am ruined." Soon after, he died of cancer.
Leon Uris's dirty work was not yet complete. He then wrote a play about
the trial called Queen's Bench 7, and invented a character of a son of
Dering who attended the trial and became ashamed of his father's past.
He  refrained from using the name of  Dering," however.
In summary, said Faurisson, it's quite clear that [at the beginning]
everybody was ready to believe that in Auschwitz it as possible to do
such a thing to 17,000 people."
Is what you have told us indicated anywhere in Suzman and Diamond? asked
Christie.
No, said Faurisson. "They are veiling the fact that the accusation [of
Uris] was absolutely terrible." Without the Auschwitz surgical register,
he added, most of that accusation could have stuck forever.
 
 
[Page 309-310 From the "The Holocaust on Trial ,The case of Ernst Zundel
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> You wrote "Kurt Gerstein said it was 25 million, and he must have
known, he 
> delivered all the Zyclon B."  

Well, you wouldn't have seen it. It never appears in Holocaust books.
[Nor does 
Wolsec/or Wolsek.] But it appears in Butz [Hoax of the 20th century p
251]. 
It appears in his statement of 26th April 1945, which from I cite 
"Actually,  about 25,000,000 persons were killed; not only Jews,
however, but especially 
Poles and Czechoslovaks...." but is edited out of the NMT volumes. The
document 
NO is 1553-PS. It also states that 7-800 people went in a Gas chamber of
25 
square meters. (About the size of your bedroom, 5  x 5 metres!) and says
that 
Hitler was at Lublin, 2 days before a date he is talking about. Hitler
never 
went to Lublin.   
In other words, Gerstein's "Statement" is completely weird.


[KURT GERSTEIN'S 'STATEMENT' IS COMPLETELY WEIRD, AND IS CITED AS
EVIDENCE BY HOLOCAUST HATE PROPAGANDISTS. KURT JUST 'DISAPPEARED'. WHAT
HAPPENED TO HIM? WAS HE WAS KICKED TO DEATH? - JR]

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II. Abbe Jean-Paul Renard

Deported with registration number 39,727, Abbe Jean-Paul Renard preceded
Frere Birin and myself by several weeks to Buchenwald; it was Dora [a
sub-camp of Buchenwald] where we met him again. He published a
collection of poems inspired by a sometimes moving mysticism with the
title Chaines et Lumieres. These poems consist of a series of spiritual
reactions rather than any attempt at objective testimony. One of them,
nevertheless, enumerates some facts: J'ai vu, j'ai vu, et j'ai vecu . .
. Frere Birin published it in an appendix to his own work, which has
been discussed in the first section of this chapter. 
One of the poems reads:

"I saw going into the showers thousands and thousands of persons over
whom poured out, instead of liquid , asphyxiating gases. I saw those who
were unfit for work injected in the heart."

Actually, Abbe  Jean-Paul Renard saw nothing of the kind,  because gas
chambers did not exist either at Buchenwald, or  at Dora. As for the
injections, it was not done the time he went through there. When I
pointed that fact out to him at the beginning of 1947, he answered,
"Right,  that's only a figure of speech . . . and since those things
existed somewhere, it is of no importance."
I found his reasoning delightful. At the moment I did not dare to retort
that the Battle of Fontenoy was also a historical reality, but that was
no reason for saying, even as a figure of speech , that he had been
present. Nor did I say that , if twenty eight thousand survivors of the
Nazi camps had claimed that they had been present at all of the horrors
set forth by all of the testimonies, the camps would assume, in the eyes
of history quite a different image than if each survivor had confined
himself to telling only what he had actually seen. Nor did I mention
that it was in our interest that not one of us should be guilty of lying
or exaggeration.

Note: The above was written by Professor Paul Rassinier, the father of
"revisionism". He as a resistant to the German occupation and a helper
of jews to escape, was arrested and deported to Buchenwald concentration
camp. Like many other revisionists, he was smeared as anti-semitic by
those who seek to promote Holocaust hate propaganda.] 


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"On April 26th 1945, an American Intelligence team discovered a German
Civilian living in a hotel at Rottweil in the Black forest. He was Kurt
Gerstein, a 34 year old mining assessor and former director of the
Dusseldorf firm, Lihmon-Fuime. Gerstein handed the Americans a statement
of seven pages, typed in French, together with those gas bills that were
to appear at nuremberg, and then vanished from history." 

Well thats lucky. Prevents awkward questions.
[like his on estimate of 40 million gassed]



"It was alleged at the Peters Trial that Gerstein was arrested by the
French and that he hanged himself in his cell at Fresnes prison in July
1945. But Gerstein's widow was informed by the Red Cross four years
later that the circumstances of his death in the prison had not been
established. 
[HE WAS DEAD, BUT HOW?]

During the International Nuremberg Trial, Gerstein was considered to be
alive, and the defence had the right to demand that he be produced in
court. His unsworn statement could not therefore be produced in
evidence. 

[BUT IT WAS USED BY HOLOCAUST HATE PROPAGANDISTS like Raul Hilberg, a
Jew, and Gerald Reitlinger, a jewish Antique dealer, in their "books" to
PROVE "GASSINGS" - JR]


At several subsequent trials it was successfully challanged by the
defence, but a small portion of it was nevertheless, printed in the
official selection of documents from the doctors trial published in
Washington." 

"in Gersteins second confession, written not in french, but in German,
and discovered by his widow a whole year after his arrest, the after
dinner speech at treblinka is ommitted, but there is a queer passage in
which Gerstein declares that he had thought of entering the gas chamber
himself in the uniform of a SS officer." 








(Extracts from The Final Solution (1968) by G.Reitlinger p161-164)


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KURT GERSTEIN

Kurt Gerstein is often referred to as a Holocaust "witness"; however,
this is not correct. By "witness", one normally understands a
person who has seen something and who appears to testify as to his
personal
knowledge; Gerstein did not do that. Gerstein was an unsworn affiant or
deponent,
which means that he is simply a name appearing at the end of a
"statement"
typewritten in French, which he may or may not have written. (Document
1553-PS
rejected at Nuremberg).

One of the stories current about Gerstein is that he wrote the statement
in Cherche-Midi prison, in France, and committed suicide, after which
his
body disappeared.

It is far more probable that the statement was written in French by a
German
Jewish interrogator-"interpreter", and that some of the inconsistencies
(such as winter occuring in August, or being in a car in one sentence,
and
a train in the next) resulted from imperfect transcription of the notes
of interrogation into affidavit form. In minor war crimes trials and
Japanese
war crimes trials, unsworn "statements" of this kind are fairly
common, on the theory that they possess "probative value" but
less "weight" than sworn statements. It is also possible that
Gerstein died of injuries sustained during "interrogation"; or
perhaps he hanged himself with the typewriter ribbon.

This document was later extensively quoted in the Pohl Trial, where it
was
"proven" that Treblinka had 10 'gas chambers' and 10 'steam chambers'
in the same camp at the same time.
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[From : P15 Foreword - Commandant of Auschwitz.]

Hoess's statement, which was made quite voluntarily, read as follows:

'Statement made voluntarily at [the name was omitted] gaol by Rudolf
Hoess, former Commandant of Auschwitz Concentration camp on 16th March,
1946. I personally arranged on orders recieved from Himmler in May 1941,
the gassing of two million persons between June-July 1941 and the end of
1943, during which time I was Commandant of Auschwitz.

Signed, Rudolf Hoess.'


[NOTE BY JR - THE 'MEMOIRS' OF RUDOLF HOESS. THEY ARE NOT A LOT OF
BOLLOCKS MADE UP BY THE COMMUNISTS, BUT TOTALLY AUTHENTIC - IT SAYS SO
ON THE COVER]

The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it
seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: 'Call them off,
unless you want to take back a corpse.'
[Legions Of Death. (Rupert Butler. Great Britain: 1983. Hamlyn
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Pressac, a holocaust liar, DELIBERATELY MISREPERSENTS the details of
the visit of SS officer Pohl to Auschwitz:

Start Quote:- 

[The Chief of the SS-WVHA, General of the SS Army Corps Pohl, presented
himself unexpectedly in morning of the 23rd of September at Auschwitz to
learn what was going  on, and where the assigned tons of Zyclon B were
going. Pohl went first to the Bauleitung, and had the general set-up of
the camp  explained to him, and the buildings that had been erected,
those under construction (including the four crematories of  Birkenau)
and those planned described to him. His question on Zyclon B was
answered that with this product the jews and the lice were destroyed at
the same time.]


Pressac's source for the above is the diary of Johann Kremer  published
in Auschwitz vu par le SS (Edition du Musee d'Etat a Oswiecim)
[AUSCHWITZ viewed by  the SS (Edition of the State Museum at Oswiecim
1974)], pages 233 and 234 (notes 182 and 183 on p. 105). 

In reality, these two pages from the end of page 233 to the end of page
234, read as follows:


[In the morning, Obergruppenfuhrer Pohl arrived with his entourage, at
the residence of the Waffen SS. In front of the door a sentinel. For the
first time I am presented arms. The evening at 20 hours; dinner at the
SS Officers Club in the company of Obergruppenfuhrer  Pohl: a real
feast. We were served fried pike all we wanted, real coffee, an
excellent beer and some sandwiches.]

That is all. the rest is the product of Pressac's imagination. 

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Auschwitz: Myths and Facts
by Mark Weber

Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime concentration
camp where many prisoners -- most of them Jewish -- were reportedly
exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is widely regarded
as the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The camp's horrific
reputation cannot, however, be reconciled with the facts.

Scholars challenge Holocaust story
Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers have
been challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These
"revisionist" scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of
Jews were deported to the camp, or that many died there, particularly of
typhus and other diseases. But the compelling evidence they present
shows that Auschwitz was not an extermination center and that the story
of mass killings in "gas chambers" is a myth.

The Auschwitz camps
The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now south-
central Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there between 1942
and mid-1944.
The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was
supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz
III, was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from
coal. In addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted
to the war economy.

Four million victims?
At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was
invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It
often appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for example.
(note 1)
Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the
extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian
Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the
familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the
Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem
Holocaust Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one million
people (both Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither institution would
say how many of these people were killed, nor were any estimates given
of the numbers of those supposedly gassed. (note 2) One prominent
Holocaust historian, Gerald Reitlinger, has estimated that perhaps
700,000 or so Jews perished at Auschwitz. More recently, Holocaust
historian Jean-Claude Pressac has estimated that about 800,000 persons -
- of whom 630,000 were Jewish -- perished at Auschwitz. While even such
lower figures are incorrect, they show how the Auschwitz story has
changed drastically over the years. (note 3)
Bizarre tales
At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically
electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet
eyewitness report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February
1945 that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an
"electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be
electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They were
burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage
fields." (note 4)
And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson
charged that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to
instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way
that there was no trace left of them." (note 5) No reputable historian
now accepts either of these fanciful tales.

The Hoss 'confession'
A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz
commandant Rudolf Hoss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the U.S.
prosecution at the main Nuremberg trial. (note 6)
Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz
extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was obtained
by torture.
Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant Bernard
Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers tortured the
former commandant to obtain his "confession." Hoss himself privately
explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I signed a statement
that I killed two and half million Jews. I could just as well have said
that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any
confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not." (note 7)
Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story
now acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Hoss
"affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now
claims that anything like two and a half or three million people
perished in Auschwitz.
The Hoss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being
exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps: Belzec,
Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Hoss is a total
invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer mentioned in
Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by those who
believe in the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did not begin
at Auschwitz, Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.

No documentary evidence
Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a
policy or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story
cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.

Many Jewish inmates unable to work
For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were
unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young,
sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who
could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.
But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the
Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed.
For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from
the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and
Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish
inmates in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the
remaining Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were
unable to work. (note 8)
This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on
"security measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS
concentration camp system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported
that there was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp
complex, of whom 18,000 were hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz
II camp (Birkenau), supposedly the main extermination center, there were
36,000 inmates, mostly female, of whom "approximately 15,000 are unable
to work." (note 9)
These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
extermination story.
The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as
a camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and
elderly, as well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment
to other camps. That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of
Northwestern University, who also says that this was the reason for the
unusually high death rate there. (note 10)
Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more Jews
perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural" causes
than were executed. (note 11)

Anne Frank
Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known
around the world for her famous diary. But few people know that
thousands of Jews, including Anne and her father, Otto Frank, "survived"
Auschwitz.
The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands
to Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of the
advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other Jews to
the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March 1945.
Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who
were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945,
shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in Switzerland in
1980.
If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they
would not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was,
cannot be reconciled with the extermination story.

Allied propaganda
The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay
statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any
evidence of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because
rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.
Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and
German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people
were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an
important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also
broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)

Survivor testimony
Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination
at Auschwitz.
An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp
experiences in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned
in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish
forced laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her
and the others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.
Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go
into a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The
terrified women were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead
of gas, water came out of the shower heads.
Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the
death of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite
a few committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass
killings, gassings, or of any extermination program. (note 13)
A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from
Hungary in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and
cremated daily. She likewise testified after the war that she heard and
saw nothing of "gas chambers" during the time she was interned there.
She heard the gassing stories 
only later. (note 14)

Inmates released
Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and
returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top
secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have
released inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. (note 15)
Himmler orders death rate reduced
In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially
typhus, the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm
counter-measures.
The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated
Dec. 28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It
sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and
ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to
significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps." Furthermore,
it ordered:
The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration,
submit improvement recommendations to the camp commandants . . . The
camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various
labor places are improved as much as possible.
Finally, the directive stressed that "the ReichsfŸhrer SS [Heinrich
Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced."
(note 16)
German camp regulations
Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an
extermination center. They ordered: (note 17)
New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical examination,
and if there is any doubt [about their health], they must be sent to
quarantine for observation.
Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the camp
physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the prisoners to a
hospital for professional treatment.
The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding the
preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply. Any
deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp commandant.
Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in order not
to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.
Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be brought
before the camp physician for medical examination.

Telltale aerial photos
Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau
on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged
extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These
photos show no trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys or
masses of Jews awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly alleged,
and all of which would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had been
the extermination center it is said to have been. (note 18)

Absurd cremation claims
Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not
possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and summer
of 1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.
For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary,
Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation
story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even
20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944
in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond the
realm of reality," he declared under oath. (note 19)
Gassing expert refutes extermination story
America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter,
carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and concluded
that the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically impossible.
Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of
gas chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals.
For example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state
penitentiary.
In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the
"gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which are
either still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn testimony to
a Toronto court and in a technical report, Leuchter described every
aspect of his investigation.
He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing
facilities could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among other
things, he pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were not
properly sealed or vented to kill human beings without also killing
German camp personnel. (note 20)
Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by the
Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that the
Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a careful
on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and
Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I have come to
the conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully killed with
Zyklon B [hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider it absolutely
impossible." (note 21)

Notes
1 Nuremberg document 008-USSR. IMT blue series, Vol. 39, pp. 241, 261.;
NC&A red series, vol. 1, p. 35.; 2 C.L. Sulzberger, "Oswiecim Killings
Placed at 4,000,000," New York Times, May 8, 1945, and, New York Times,
Jan. 31, 1986, p. A4.
3 Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Sept.
22, 1989; "Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million," Daily Telegraph
(London), July 17, 1990; "Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death Toll Estimate
to 1 Million," The Washington Times, July 17, 1990.
4 G. Reitlinger, The Final Solution (1971); J.-C. Pressac, Le
CrŽmatoires d'Auschwitz: La Machinerie du meurtre de mass (Paris: CNRS,
1993). On Pressac's estimates, see: L'Express (France), Sept. 30, 1993,
p. 33.
Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, pp. 2, 35. (United Press
dispatch from Moscow).
5 IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).
6 Nuremberg document 3868-PS (USA-819). IMT blue series, Vol. 33, pp.
275-279.
7 Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235; R.
Faurisson, The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-
403. 
8 Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document
No. 128, in: H. Eschwege, ed., Kennzeichen J (East Berlin: 1966), p.
264.
9 Nuremberg document NO-021. NMT green series, Vol. 5. pp. 384-385.
10 Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Costa Mesa, Calif.),
p. 124.
11 Arno Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
History (Pantheon, 1989), p. 365.
12 Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT green series, Vol. 8, p. 606.
13 Testimony in Toronto District Court, March 28, 1988. Toronto Star,
March 29, 1988, p. A2.
14 Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: 1981),
pp. 188-191.
15 Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret (Boston: 1981), p. 169.
16 Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2. NC&A red series, Vol. 4, pp.
833-834.
17 "Rules and Regulations for the Concentration Camps." Anthology,
Inhuman Medicine, Vol. 1, Part 1 (Warsaw: International Auschwitz
Committee, 1970), pp. 149-151.; S. Paskuly, ed., Death Dealer: the
Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz (Buffalo: 1992), pp. 216-217.
18 Dino A. Brugioni and Robert C. Poirier, The Holocaust Revisited
(Washington, DC: Central Intelligence Agency, 1979).
19 Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), April 14, 1988, p. 6.
20 The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution
Gas Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek (Toronto: 1988).
Available for $17.00, postpaid, from the IHR.
21 The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3

The Auschwitz extermination story originated as wartime propaganda. Now,
more than 40 years after the end of the Second World War, it is time to
take another, more objective look at this highly polemicized chapter of
history. The Auschwitz legend is the core of the Holocaust story. If
hundreds of thousands of Jews were not systematically killed there, as
alleged, one of the great myths of our time collapses.
Artificially maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents
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"final solution" and the Holocaust issue in a Toronto District Court
case. He is the author of many published articles, reviews and essays on
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The following extract is just part of the testimony of Ivan Lagace, "a
funeral director and crematorium manager and operator from Calgary,
Alberta. Lagace has disposed of more than 10,000 bodies since 1976, and
cremated more than 1000 since 1984. He has handled victims of fire,
accident, and disease, and has seen every stage of bodily
decomposition."

He was accorded EXPERT status at the Zundel trial.

Lagace next explained some calculations he had made after studying the
plans for the 46 retortsa at Birkenau.(Auschwitz II)
Christie [defence counsel for Zundel] asked him how these compared to
the plans for his own crematorium.
"Well," said Lagace, "When I first looked at these [Birkenau plans], I
was amazed." The specifications were almost identical to his own retort,
including the unusually high 45-foot stack. Based on the afterburner
design, he added, it is obvious they were concerned with environmental
effects. There would be no smoke and no odor."
Lagace estimated that the 46 retorts at Birkenau could handle about 184
bodies daily, or four apiece.
But, asked Christie, what about Raul Hilberg's estimate of 4,400
cremations per day at Birkenau?
"Well," said Lagace, that's preposterous, in my eyes. It's beyond the
realm of reality."
Christie asked if operating 24 hours a day would raise the output.
Just the opposite, insisted Lagace, it would shorten the lifespan of the
refractory" and create costly delays.
Christie read to Lagace from Hilberg's account of a period in 1944 when
about 10,000 Jews a day were allegedly being gassed at Birkenau, and
asked again if the 46 retorts could have cremated 4,400 of the victims
daily.
Lagace: It would be ludicrous to say something like that.


[Page 252 From the "The Holocaust on Trial ,The case of Ernst Zundel by
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Eisenhower Telegram to the War Department,
18 October 1945
(National Archives, Washington, D.C., RG165) 

At the conclusion of World War II more than fifteen million Germans were
driven from their homes in central and eastern Europe. It has been
estimated that 2,111,000 Germans died directly as a result of these mass
expulsions. The primary reference on this subject is: Alfred M. de
Zayas, "Nemesis at Potsdam: The Expulsion of the Germans from the East"
(University of Nebraska Press) Lincoln and London - ISBN 0-8032-9907-9.

WAR DEPARTMENT
CLASSIFIED MESSAGE CENTER
INCOMING CLASSIFIED MESSAGE

TOP SECRET TOT

PRIORITY

CRYPTOGRAPHIC SECURITY DOES NOT APPLY. HANDLE AS TOP SECRET
CORRESPONDENCE PER PARAS 44g AND 53a AR 380-5

From: CG US Forces European Theater Main Frankfurt Germany
To: War Department
Nr: S 28399..... 18 October 1945

S 28399 to for action War Dept for G 2 attn Major General Clayton
Bissell from Hqs US Forces European Theater Main from Connor from Sibert
sgd Eisenhower cite ETGBI. TOP SECRET.

Detailed reports from reliable observers including an officer from G 2
Div confirm indications of critical situation developing in area Silesia
and eastern Germany.

In Silesia, Polish administration and methods are causing a mass exodus
westward of German inhabitants. Germans are being ordered out of their
homes and to evacuate New Poland. Many unable to move are placed in
camps on meager rations and under poor sanitary conditions. Death and
disease rate in camps extremely high. Germans who attempt to hold onto
homes and land are terrorized into "Voluntary" evacuation. Methods used
by Poles definitely do not conform to Potsdam agreement. Polish
administration disorganized in Silesia and no security exists for
inhabitants of region.

Due to mass migrations into Brandenberg and Saxony, health conditions in
these regions tragically low. There is unprecedented lack of food,
medical supplies, and doctors. Reasonable estimates predict between 2.5
and 3 million victims of malnutrition and disease between Oder and Elbe
by next spring. 

CM-IN-8742 (18 Oct 45)

WAR DEPARTMENT
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INCOMING CLASSIFIED MESSAGE

TOP SECRET TOT

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From: CG US Forces European Theater, Main Frankfurt Germany
Nr: S28399 18 October 1945

Breslau death rate increased ten fold, and death rate reported to be 75%
of all births. Typhoid, typhus, dysentery, and diphtheria are spreading.

Total number potentially involved in westward movement to Russian Zone
of Germany from Poland and Czechoslovakia in range of 10 million.
Estimate 65 to 75 per cent already departed or on the road westward. No
coordinated measures yet taken to direct stream of refugees into
specific regions or provide food and shelter. Tendency of refugees is to
move into cities, and cities of Saxony, especially are becoming
dangerously over crowded. Attention is invited in this connection to
serious danger of epidemic of such great proportion as to menace all
Europe, including our troops, and to probability of mass starvation
unprecedented scale.

Copies of special reports for your information are being forwarded by
Mail Annex Nbr 3 to our Special Intelligence Bulletin Nbr 3 gives a
preview of this problem.

End

ACTION : Gen Bissell

INFO: Gen Arnold, Gen Hull, C of S

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FORTY-SIX IMPORTANT UNANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE NAZI GAS CHAMBERS
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 All material researched and compiled By DAVID COLE 
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FORWARD 
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Professor Deborah Lipstadt, author of Denying the Holocaust: The Growing
Assault on Truth and Memory, is the leading voice on college campuses
and in the media arguing against intellectual freedom with regard to the
holocaust controversy. She is passionate -- well, obsessive -- about not
wanting to exchange views with revisionists. "[A]t times," she writes,
"I have felt compelled to prove something I knew to be true. I had
constantly to avoid being inadvertently sucked into a debate that is no
debate and an argument that is no argument." She adds that revisionism
is "totally irrational . . . not responsive to logic" and that "evidence
plays no role" in revisionist research. I'm going to go out on a limb
here. I know that Deborah Lipstadt and hundreds of other trained
scholars with access to the relevant archives in Europe and the old
Soviet Union have studied the Nazi gas chambers for half a century and
know everything there is to know about them. Despite this universally
accepted fact, I am presenting here a few questions about the notorious
homicidal gassing chambers that are being raised by a young scholar
named David Cole. David Cole traveled to Europe twice to make on-site
inspections of the still extant "gas chambers." The lady who financed
each of these little expeditions wanted me to go with Cole to direct the
project. I thought that would be a nifty idea. I'd never been to Europe
and here was my chance. But Cole kept telling me he could handle it on
his own. After awhile I got the message. He didn't want me to go. In the
end, each time he went alone, or rather he and a camera woman. I think
he was right. He didn't need direction from me. He handled his
responsibilities very well on his own. When you read David Cole's 46
unanswered questions about the Nazi gas chambers you may feel yourself
hard-pressed -- despite what Deborah Lipstadt would have you believe --
to find them totally irrational, not responsive to logic, or that
evidence plays no role in their design. Of course, you are probably not
the towering intellectual that Deborah Lipstadt is, so if you find a few
or perhaps more than a few of the 46 questions disturbing in their logic
and rationality, precisely because they are based on the physical
evidence commonly used to identify the "gas chambers," why not ring up
Professor Lipstadt at Emory University and ask her for the correct
answers to these interesting puzzles? Then pass her answers on to me.
I'll run them by David Cole and see what he has to say about them. Maybe
we'll be able to post Lipstadt's criticisms of the 46 Questions here,
along with David's response to her criticisms. In the academy they call
this process peer review. Ms. Lipstadt would probably point out to you
that David Cole is not part of the "academy." Let's not call it peer
review then. Let's just call it talking it over. Tell her you have 46
questions about the German gassing chambers and you would like to talk
them over with her. 
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Bradley R. Smith 9 October 1995 
THE ZYKLON-B ISSUE
 At the former concentration camps of Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau,
we find the following scenario: The buildings which used to serve as the
camp delousing facilities still have extremely high traces of the gas
Zyklon B, which was used in these buildings to disinfest clothing,
mattresses, etc. Also, there is heavy blue staining on the walls both
inside the delousing chambers, INSIDE the hallways between the delousing
chambers, and OUTSIDE the building, on the EXTERIOR WALLS of the
delousing facilities. However, the interiors of the Krema 1 gas chamber
(Auschwitz Main Camp) and the Krema 2 and 3 gas chambers (Auschwitz-
Birkenau), where hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are
said to have been gassed, show only minute traces of Zyclon B and no
blue staining. Also, the Auschwitz camp barracks and offices, which were
fumigated with the Zyklon B from time to time, show similarly minute
traces of the gas, and no blue staining.
 1) What explanation can there be for the low levels of traces, and
absence of blue staining, in the homicidal gas chambers?
 2) If one suggests that the Zyklon traces in the homicidal gas chambers
have been "weathered away", how can one explain the traces and staining
on the OUTSIDE of the delousing complexes...traces which have NOT been
weathered away after fifty years?
 3) It has been suggested that the amount of Zyklon B needed to kill
people, even cumulative millions of people, would not leave traces as
strong as the amount needed to kill lice in the delousing chambers. But
when we factor in the Zyklon B traces still existing in the camp
barracks and offices, we see that infrequent gassings will still leave
SOME traces. Thus, we have the traces in the camp offices and barracks,
which reveal what levels of traces would remain, fifty years after the
fact, in rooms which were gassed infrequently. Then we have the
delousing chambers, which reveal what levels of traces would remain,
fifty years after the fact, in rooms which were gassed frequently. Can
it not be expected that the levels of traces in the homicidal gas
chambers, while perhaps not being as high as those in the delousing
rooms, would AT LEAST be substantially higher than the traces in the
buildings which were only fumigated infrequently? Yet the traces in
Kremas 1, 2 and 3 are not markedly higher than the office and barracks
traces. Does this not suggest that the traces which DO exist in Kremas
1, 2 and 3 come from the same fumigation routine that all the other
buildings went through?
 4) Once one has fashioned an explanation for the minute traces and no
blue staining in Kremas 1, 2 and 3 at Auschwitz, how does one THEN
explain the HIGH levels of Zyklon B traces and DEEP, FLOOR-TO-CEILING
blue staining in three of the four Majdanek gas chambers? Far fewer
people are said to have been killed at Majdanek than at Auschwitz. The
four Majdanek gas chambers would never have had to handle the workload
of Kremas 1,2 and 3. Yet whereas Kremas 1,2 and 3 have only minute
traces and no blue staining, three of the four Majdanek gas chambers
have heavy traces and deep blue staining. How could gassing a GREATER
amount of people (at Auschwitz) leave minute traces and no blue
staining, yet gassing a much SMALLER amount (at Majdanek) leave heavy
traces and deep blue staining? 
5) The gas chambers at the Majdanek camp not only have heavy Zyklon B
blue stains on the INSIDE, but also on the OUTSIDE walls, as well. What
could account for this? The delousing facilities at Birkenau have heavy
blue staining on their outside walls, staining which is said to come
>from  the mattresses which were propped up against the outside walls and
beaten after delousing (to rid them of Zyklon B residue). Do the heavy
blue stains on the outside walls of the Majdanek gas chambers therefore
suggest that these rooms were used as delousing facilities? Isn't the
building which contains the gas chambers labeled the "Bath and
Disinfection" complex? If, as with Auschwitz, it is said that gassing
people wouldn't leave blue stains on the INSIDE walls of a homicidal gas
chamber, how then, at Majdanek, could gassing people leave heavy blue
stains not only on the INSIDE walls but also on the OUTSIDE ones as
well?
 6) To sum up the Zyklon B issue, we can take an overview of the Nazi
gas chambers and their respective states RE Zyklon B traces: Krema 1
(Auschwitz Main Camp): Minute traces, no blue staining Krema 2
(Auschwitz-Birkenau): Minute traces, no blue staining. Krema 3
(Auschwitz-Birkenau): Minute traces, no blue staining. Majdanek gas
chambers 1, 3 and 4: Heavy traces, heavy blue staining (on inside and
outside walls). Dachau gas chamber: No traces, no blue staining.
Mauthausen gas chamber: No traces, no blue staining. The revisionist
explanation for the above is: Kremas 1, 2 and 3 were not used as gas
chambers; -- the only Zyklon B they saw was from the routine camp
fumigations. Majdanek rooms 1, 3 and 4 were delousing rooms, like the
ones at Auschwitz-Birkenau. The Dachau gas chamber was a shower. The
Mauthausen gas chamber was a shower What theory can be offered which
explains the wildly divergent states of the gas chambers RE Zyklon B
traces, while still supporting the concept of mass homicidal gassings at
these camps? 
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT THE AUSCHWITZ-
BIRKENAU CONCENTRATION CAMP (POLAND)
 7) Why was the area between Kremas 2 and 3, the area where thousands of
people were marched daily to their deaths, left completely unfenced? The
ditches which run the length of the camp perimeter would make a person
invisible both to ground fire AND fire from the guard tower. Why would
the Nazis risk an attempted escape, especially considering the fact that
many inmates were gassed after they had been in the camp for a while,
and knew what their fate would be if marched into either of those
buildings? Doesn't the Auschwitz State Museum claim that the inmates
would often "riot" as they were being marched toward Kremas 2 and 3? 
8) Why were Kremas 2 and 3 not hidden in any way from the view of the
inmates? Isn't it claimed at the Auschwitz State Museum that gassings
were stopped at Krema 1 (Auschwitz Main Camp) and moved to Birkenau
because the inmates were starting to get an idea of the homicidal
purpose of Krema 1? Why then were Kremas 2 and 3 put in plain sight of
all sectors of the Birkenau camp, with no camouflage of any kind?
Wouldn't this just create hundreds of thousands of "eyewitnesses", with
everyone in the camp becoming well aware of the exterminations (and with
many of these inmates later transferred to other camps in other parts of
Europe to "spread the word" about the gassing program)? How could this
profit the Nazis? 
9) It is claimed that there were four holes on the roofs of Kremas 2 and
3, which served as Zyklon B induction holes. The best piece of evidence
that these holes ever existed is found in the U.S. aerial photos taken
of Auschwitz during the war. Is there any discrepancy between the size
of these holes as depicted in the U.S. aerial photos, and the size of
the holes as depicted on the model of the Krema 2 gas chamber (on
display at the Auschwitz State Museum and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial
Museum), the size as theorized by Jean-Claude Pressac in his book
"Auschwitz; Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers", the size as
depicted in the movie "Triumph of the Spirit" (which recreated a gassing
at Krema 2), and the size as described over the decades by eyewitnesses?
Indeed, can it be said that the holes as depicted in the aerial photos
are ridiculously large...larger than what would have been needed for
pouring in a can of Zyklon B gas? 
10) Why are the four holes not present today in the roof slab of Krema
2? The roof slab, though collapsed, is intact and both the top and
underside of the roof are still visible. There are two crudely chiseled
holes at opposite ends of the roof slab (one is more like a huge crack
than a hole), but the other two holes are non existent, and the
underside of the roof, with the two-by-fours lining the ceiling still
visible, shows no sign of two holes having ever been present. There are
also no traces of the two holes on the top of the roof. How can the
absence of the two holes, and any traces of the two holes, be explained? 
11) What circumstances would produce the Krema 2 roof slab as we now see
it, with two holes visible and the other two non-existent? If the Nazis
attempted to erase the traces of the roof holes, why did they stop after
two? Why would they expend much effort to erase all traces of two of the
roof holes, then not make any effort to erase the two which survived the
demolition? 
12) Could the still existing roof holes have been added after the
liberation, by the Soviets or Poles? Doesn't Pressac admit that these
two holes don't correspond with the positions of the holes in the aerial
photos (Pressac says that this might be because the roof "shifted"
during demolition, but even if the roof "shifted", that wouldn't account
for why these holes, which were supposed to run in a straight line down
the middle of the roof, have changed their positions, and are no longer
in a straight line down the middle of the intact roof slab)? These holes
are in incredibly bad condition; their edges are consistently rough,
with not an inch of smoothness left. And they are no longer circular.
They look like someone took a jack-hammer and roughly hammered through
the roof slab. It is explained by Auschwitz State Museum officials that
the demolition of the roof is what accounts for the awful condition of
the holes (that is, they USED to be round and smooth until the
demolition). But if one observes the wreckage of the "undressing room"
roof slab, which was similarly destroyed and is now in even worse shape
than the gas chamber roof slab, one sees the remains of the undressing
room front ventilation hole, which is still round and smooth even after
the demolition and fifty years of laying around as rubble. Why did the
undressing room roof hole survive intact, while the two still existing
gas chamber roof holes emerged from the demolition without even the
slightest trace that they had once been round and smooth? If we consider
that the two still existing gas chamber roof holes don't correspond with
their supposed position on the roof, can we theorize that MAYBE these
two holes were chiseled in after the liberation? It is now admitted by
the Auschwitz State Museum that the Soviets, after liberation, drilled
four "Zyklon B induction holes" in the roof of Krema 1 (Auschwitz Main
Camp). One needn't assume bad faith on the part of the Soviets (they
might have honestly believed that they were "restoring" the roof to the
state in which it had once been), but this act clearly establishes that
the Soviets DID in fact drill post-liberation "Zyklon B induction holes"
in roofs that, at that time, had none. Is it possible that this accounts
for the two sloppy "Zyklon B induction holes" in the roof slab of the
Krema 2? 
13) It is said that the Nazis destroyed Kremas 2 and 3 in order to hide
the proofs of their gas chambers. But what "proof" of gassings would
have been provided by Krema 2 if Krema 2 had not been dynamited? There
are no heavy Zyklon B traces or blue stains on the walls, and great care
was obviously taken to remove even the slightest trace of two of the
Zyklon B induction holes. The Krema 2 gas chamber would have resembled
an ordinary morgue. Was the destruction of Krema 2 an attempt to hide
the evidence of a gas chamber, or simply the destruction of a cremation
facility in the face of the advancing Soviets? Were cremation facilities
at other camps, camps that were never claimed to have gas chambers, also
destroyed? 
14) If one is to believe that four Zyklon B induction holes were at one
time in the roof slab of Krema 2, it must be assumed that the Nazis went
through great pains to meticulously hide any traces of at least two of
those holes. Yet we are told that when the Soviets, after liberation,
"reopened" the Zyklon B induction holes in the Krema 1 gas chamber state
(at the time of liberation, it was being used as an air-raid shelter),
they know exactly where to "reopen" the four holes because the traces
where these holes had been were STILL VISIBLE. The idea that the Zyklon
B induction hole traces were still visible is supported by the Auschwitz
State Museum officials, and by author Jean-Claude Pressac. Why didn't
the Nazis attempt to "cover-up" THOSE holes, especially keeping in mind
that the Krema 1 gas chamber had been abandoned as a gas chamber AT
LEAST a year before liberation, giving the Nazis more than enough time
to erase the traces. The Nazis were apparently able to do an incredibly
good job of erasing the hole traces in the Krema 2 roof, even though
time was short (the Nazis knew the Soviets were advancing, and they were
busy making preparations to abandon the camp), yet we are told that they
did NOT attempt to likewise cover up the hole traces in the Krema 1 roof
slab, even though they had at least a year to do so. Why would the Nazis
do such a fastidiously good job of hiding the existence of Zyklon B
induction holes in a roof that they were then going to dynamite (Krema
2), yet allow the hole traces to remain in a roof that was left intact
for the advancing Soviets (Krema 1)? Isn't that backwards? 
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT THE MAUTHAUSEN
CONCENTRATION CAMP (AUSTRIA) 
15) The gas chamber at concentration camp Mauthausen (in Austria) has no
locks on the doors, and no holes or fittings where locks may once have
been. The doors can be opened from inside or outside. How could human
beings have been gassed in this room? 
16) The peepholes in the two Mauthausen gas chamber doors have no
hemispherical metal grid covering the glass, as would have been
necessary to prevent the victims from knocking out the glass and causing
a gas leak. There are no holes or fittings where a grid might once have
been. Doesn't Pressac write extensively about the need for such
hemispherical grids? Doesn't Pressac recount survivor testimony
regarding the need for such grids during a homicidal gassing? With no
grid, what stopped the inmates from knocking out the glass, using either
their hands or the ample shower piping in the chamber? 
17) Why are there no Zyklon B traces, or blue stains, in this chamber? 
18) The hole in the ceiling of this chamber, through which the Zyklon B
crystals were supposedly poured, is small enough to be blocked by the
inmates hands, and the ceiling is low enough for them to block the hole.
How could the Zyklon B be effectively poured in? 
19) There is a large drain in the floor of this room. There are no holes
or fittings where a cover for this drain might have been attached. What
would stop the victims from brushing the Zyklon B crystals down this
drain? 
20) Unlike the Dachau "fake shower room", which indeed has fake shower
heads (which were directly screwed into the concrete to a maze of water
pipes which run the length of the ceiling AND across the walls. Doesn't
this room resemble a real shower room? How do we know it wasn't? 
21) What would have been the wisdom of construction a fake shower room
with such a maze of pipes running across the ceiling and walls? Wouldn't
the victims have torn these fixtures down? Doesn't Pressac write about
how the victims in the Auschwitz gas chambers would destroy the
electrical fixtures and anything else in the chamber? Wouldn't the pipes
serve as perfect weapons with which to smash a hole through the
unguarded peepholes (not to mention the doors have no locks)? And if the
prisoners didn't wish to block the Zyclon B induction hole with their
hands, the showers heads would've fit inside the hole nicely. Why wasn't
the "fake shower heads screwed directly into the ceiling" method (a la
Dachau) employed here? 
22) Considering the absence of Zyklon B traces, locks on the doors,
peephole covers, and a viable means of pouring in the Zyklon B, and
factoring in the floor drain and the water pipes and genuine shower
heads in this room, why can't we assume this was a genuine shower room? 
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT THE DACHAU
CONCENTRATION CAMP (GERMANY)
 23) The method of Zyklon B induction for the Dachau gas chamber is
claimed to be via two chutes carved through one of the walls, through
which the Zyklon B would be poured. What would have stopped the victims
>from  putting their backs against the mouths of these chutes, thus
preventing the crystals from entering the room? 
24) If the crystals WERE able to enter the room, the two chutes are
located just above two large drains in the floor. There are no holes or
fittings where covers for these drains might have been. What would stop
the crystals from falling down the drains? 
25) There is a mystery room (not open to the public but visible through
several windows) adjoining the gas chamber room. This room appears to
have water and steam pipes which appear to lead into the gas chamber.
Was the gas chamber room actually a shower? What is the purpose of this
"mystery room"? What can be gained by ignoring this room which, it
stands to reason, must have had SOME purpose? 
26) It is often said that the Nazis tried to hide the evidence of their
extermination program by speaking in code, and rarely speaking of the
exterminations on the record. It is similarly held that, as it became
clear that they were losing the war, the Nazis tried to destroy the
proofs of their crimes (the destruction of the four Birkenau Kremas is
said to have been part of this "cover-up"). How, then, does one explain
the Dachau gas chamber? The obviously false shower heads are
incontrovertible proof of the homicidal purpose of this room. It is
impossible not explain away the fake shower heads/a homicidal gas
chamber. Yet we are to believe that this gas chamber was NEVER USED. And
we are also supposed to believe that the room in its present state is
exactly as the U.S. Army found it when the camp was liberated. Now, the
details of the liberation of Dachau are well known: Dachau was not taken
in some surprise attack. The guards at Dachau knew that the Americans
were on their way. Therefore, we are asked to believe that the Nazis,
KNOWING the camp would be surrendered, left the gas chamber room (which
was not even being USED as a gas chamber) in a state which unashamedly
points to its homicidal purpose. Why were the fake shower heads not
removed? * Why was there no attempt at a "cover-up", like at Auschwitz?
Unlike the Auschwitz gas chambers, THIS one was not even in use! What
good was an unused room which only served to scream to the world "the
Nazis are gassing the Jews"? Why would the Nazis, who were NOT using the
"gas chamber" to kill people, leave it in this blatantly homicidal
state, especially as the Americans drew closer? Keep in mind that, with
the fake shower heads, this room was also impossible to us as a SHOWER.
Therefore, this room served NO PURPOSE: it wasn't used as a gas chamber,
and couldn't be used as a shower. We are asked to accept that the Nazis
kept a large, USELESS room in one of the more important buildings in the
Dachau camp (the "gas chamber" is located in the building which houses
the Zyklon B clothing fumigation cubicles) and that this room remained
UNUSED for years but was never stripped of the fake shower heads which
pointed irrefutably to the Nazi's murderous intentions. Surely,
understanding the great pains the Nazis took to keep their
gassing/extermination plans a secret, and the great pains they
supposedly took at OTHER camps to "hide their crimes" once the Allies
were advancing (i.e. the destruction of Kremas 2 through 5 at
Auschwitz), we can expect that they would have performed the very simple
task of removing the fake shower heads (and perhaps plastering over the
marks where the shower heads had been). Why didn't the Nazis do this? *
There might be a simple answer to the Dachau shower head issue. The
height of the ceiling in the "Dachau gas chamber" is presently 7.6 feet.
However, in Document L-159, No. 47 of the 79th Congress, 1st Session
(Exhibit NO. USA-222; IMT, XXXVII, p. 621), which details the U.S.
Army's investigation of the Dachau camp after liberation, the ceiling of
this room is measured at 10 feet high. The fake shower heads which exist
today embedded in the 7.6 foot high ceiling are made of sheet metal.
Document No. 47 describes the 10 foot high ceiling as having "brass
fixtures", which might very well have been genuine shower heads and
pipes but which, in any event, are long absent from the ceiling of this
room. Basically, sometime between the liberation of Dachau, and the
media blitz regarding the "Dachau gas chamber", a 10 foot high ceiling
with bass fixtures became a 7.6 foot high ceiling with cone-shaped sheet
metal fake shower heads. How? I think we can take a guess! Remember that
the record of the U.S. Army (and the U.S. government, for that matter)
is not very good when it comes to being honest about Dachau. If we are
to assume that the Army created a fraudulent "gas chamber", it helps to
understand that there is already proof that the Army was less than
honest when presenting Dachau to the world. Most notable in this respect
is the photographic sleight-of-hand which is still employed today
(especially at the Weisenthal Center's high-tech "Museum of Tolerance"
here in L.A.) where a photo of a door to one of the Dachau ZYKLON B
FUMIGATION CUBICLES, complete with poisonous gas warning, skull and
crossbones, and gassing schedule, is shown (often with a soldier
standing in front) along with the caption that this is the door to the
Dachau "HOMICIDAL" gas chamber (thus giving the impression that Zykon B
gas was used in the alleged homicidal gas chamber). This is pure fraud,
and not the kind of fraud that the Army could have perpetrated "by
accident". In pictures released by the Army, the doors to the small
fumigation cubicles were portrayed as the doors to the alleged homicidal
gas chamber...and this is something that doesn't happen by accident. For
people like my mother and her family, Jews living in the U.S. during the
forties, it's the Dachau gas chamber propaganda that they most clearly
remember as their first exposure to the concept of homicidal gas
chambers. 
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT THE MAJDANEK
CONCENTRATION CAMP (POLAND) 
27) Gas chamber 1 has two doors, both of which open INTO the gas chamber
room. How can a homicidal gas chamber have two doors which open IN?
Wouldn't the bodies be pressed up against the doors, as described
numerous times by eyewitnesses? 
28) The main door into the gas chamber 1 has no locks. It can be opened
>from  either the inside or the outside. There are no holes or fittings
where a lock might have been. What stopped the inmates from opening this
door? 
29) Gas chamber 1 has a plate glass window in it. There are no holes or
fittings around the window where bars or any other kind of cover might
once have been. Since the plaster around the window is covered with blue
stains, we know that it is the plaster that existed during the time
Zyklon B gas was used in this room. If there WERE bars or any other type
of cover attached to this window, why are there no traces? What would
have stopped the inmates from trying to climb out the window, or
breaking the window and causing a gas leak? 
30) There is a room INSIDE gas chamber 1. Why would there be a separate
room INSIDE a gas chamber? Doesn't this room indicate that gas chamber 1
was used for something OTHER than killing people? 
31) Gas chambers 2 and 3 are designed backwards. Chamber 2 has a Zyklon
B induction hole in the ceiling, but no Zyklon B traces or blue stains.
Chamber 3 has heavy, floor-to-ceiling Zyklon B traces and blue stains,
but no Zyklon B induction hole. And, like the roof of Krema 2 at
Auschwitz, the ceiling shows no sign of a hole having ever been there.
Why would chamber 2 have a Zyklon B induction hole and no traces, and
chamber 3 plenty of traces but no hole? 
32) The ceilings in chambers 2 and 4 are low enough so that the Zyklon B
induction holes could have been blocked by the victims. What would have
stopped the inmates from blocking the holes? 
33) The doors to chambers 2,3 and 4 are built to latch from the outside
AND the inside. The latches can be opened from either side. Does this
suggest that the rooms were used for something other than killing
people? 
34) Getting back to the issue of hemispherical grids covering the
peepholes, it is said that the point of these grids was to prevent the
inmates from breaking the glass of the peepholes and causing a gas leak.
Yet the hemispherical grids attached to the peepholes on the doors of
chambers 2, 3 and 4 are attached on the OUTSIDE of the doors. These
grids wouldn't prevent someone INSIDE the room from breaking the
glass...but they WOULD prevent someone OUTSIDE the room from doing so.
Why are the grids not on the inside? Does this contradict with the
statements by Pressac and the eyewitnesses regarding the need for girds
in a homicidal gas chamber? 
35) The Majdanek camp is built on a hill. At the top of the hill is the
camp crematorium. At the opposite end of the camp, at the bottom of the
hill, is the "Bath and Disinfection" complex, which houses the gas
chambers. From the Nazi's point of view, what was the wisdom in putting
the gas chambers at the opposite end of the camp from the ovens, and at
the bottom of the hill (after each gassing, the dead bodies would have
to have been dragged up the hill, the length of the entire camp, to the
ovens)? 
36) As the Nazis were preparing to abandon the Majdanek camp, they
destroyed the crematorium building. Why were the gas chambers not
similarly destroyed? Why would the Nazis leave their weapons of mass
murder intact for the world to see? How hard would it have been for the
Nazis to destroy the gas chambers, just like they did the crematorium
building? At least, shouldn't the Nazis have filled in the Zyklon B
induction holes, which serve as direct proofs of homicidal gassings?
Either way, the destruction of the crematorium is clear proof that the
Nazis had both the time and the ability to demolish buildings in the
camp if they wanted to. Why were the gas chambers not demolished? 
37) In his book "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas
Chambers", Jean-Claude Pressac publishes a photo of the Majdanek gas
chambers, with the caption "Photograph taken at the Majdanek
concentration camp in June 1979, showing one of the disinfestation gas
chambers thought to be a homicidal gas chamber." On page 555, he also
has this to say about the Majdanek gas chambers: "I am sorry to say, and
I am not the only one in the West, that the Majdanek homicidal and/or
delousing gas chambers are still waiting for a true historian, which is
mildly upsetting in view of the fact that the camp fell into the hands
of the Russians intact in 1944." Do these comments suggest that the gas
chambers at Majdanek may in fact have been disinfestation gas chambers?
At least, don't these comments suggest that there has not yet been a
thorough investigation into the purpose of these rooms? * 
38) To sum up the Majdanek gas chamber issue: If we take Pressac's
comments and then factor in the doors that don't lock, the doors that
open INTO the gas chamber, the doors with latches that can be
manipulated from both the outside AND the inside, the window in gas
chamber 1, the room inside gas chamber 1, the lack of any Zyklon B
induction hole in gas chamber 3, the lack of any Zyklon B traces in gas
chamber 2 (which DOES have a "Zyklon B induction hole"), the heavy blue
stains on the OUTSIDE of the building, and the location of the building,
at the bottom of a hill, at the opposite end of the camp from the
crematorium, is it reasonable to suggest that these rooms were delousing
chambers? * In what can only be considered an unfortunate example of how
major disputes between Holocaust historians are shielded from the
public, the same room Pressac describes in his book as a "disinfestation
gas chamber" is featured in the book "The World Must Know", the official
book of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C., written
by Museum director Dr. Michael Berenbaum. In that book, Berenbaum
describes the room as a HOMICIDAL gas chamber and, what's more, a
CASTING of this room was made for display AT THE MUSEUM, as PROOF of the
homicidal gas chambers! Thus, in both Berenbaum's book AND in the Museum
itself, the ONLY material proof given of homicidal gassings is THIS
ROOM, a room Pressac staunchly believes to be a disinfestation gas
chamber (in fact, in his Auschwitz book, Pressac actually RIDICULES
those who say that this Majdanek room is proof of homicidal gassings,
and criticizes everyone from the man who prosecuted Faurisson in France
to the Majdanek State Museum personnel for perpetuating a fraud). But
does anyone give a damn that the general public, all the millions, might
be receiving fraudulent information? Some might suggest that disputes
such as these should be kept private so as not to shake the public's
confidence in Holocaust history, or in the Holocaust historians. But
don't you think we have a RESPONSIBILITY not to knowingly feed the
public falsehoods or unproven claims disguised as unquestioned facts?
Don't you think we have a responsibility to be honest about our
research? If not, what makes us any different from the "historians" of
the Soviet Union, or Hitler's Germany, who knowingly tailored their
research to produce a politically expedient conclusion? When the ends
begin justifying the means, watch integrity go flying out the window. As
bad as the public misinformation about Majdanek is, the Stalin-esque
purging of Pressac's "Auschwitz; Technique and Operation of the Gas
Chambers" from the official record is worse. This master-work of
historiography, once loudly heralded in the press (see enclosed
clippings), is NOW nowhere to be found when references to Pressac are
made. A recent article in "Publishers Weekly", detailing a forthcoming
U.S. Holocaust Museum book containing 29 original essays from Holocaust
scholars including Berenbaum and Pressac, not only neglects to mention
Pressac's gas chamber book, but seems to suggest that Pressac's
conversion from revisionist to gas chamber believer came only recently,
as he was researching his just-published "slim volume" about the
Auschwitz crematorium. The entire period of the 1980's, which Pressac
spent researching his gas chamber book after his "conversion", is
omitted. Yet scholars around the world continue to use Pressac's gas
chamber book (if they're lucky enough to have one of the few copies),
mainly because, even if one disagrees with Pressac's conclusions, his
book is STILL the best (and the only) single source for the blueprints,
construction slips, alteration plans, and inter-office communiques
regarding the Auschwitz "gas chambers". Neither side in this debate
agrees entirely with Pressac...but for the gas chamber supporters, his
book is an embarrassment because it IS so thorough. It is the most
thorough work yet produced about the gas chambers, yet Pressac cannot
find that elusive objective proof of gassings. So now, apparently, the
historians have just decided to pretend the book doesn't exist. I've
always referred to the Pressac gas chamber book as the most popular book
that never existed!
 FOUR UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT STUTTHOF
 (When preparing the original 38 questions, I didn't bother with the
tiny Stutthof "gas chamber" because so few people take it seriously
anymore. Stutthof was the camp where the Nazis supposedly made the
"human soap.". When the soap story was dropped, so was much of the
testimony about the Stutthof "gas chamber." However, recently an NBC
prime-time news show, "The Crusaders," decided to revive this rarely
mentioned "homicidal gas chamber," producing a segment about Stutthof
that played up the existence of an intact gas chamber at the camp. This
segment of "The Crusaders" has now been adopted as part of California's
public school Holocaust-education curriculum. Therefore, I thought a
brief overview of, and a few questions about, the Stutthof "gas chamber"
were in order) 
BRIEF OVERVIEW: The Stutthof concentration camp, located 35 km east of
Gdansk, was designed for Polish civilians and designated as a "civilian
internees camp." The Stutthof "gas chamber," a relatively small building
(8 meters long, 3 meters wide, and 2.30 meters high) located next door
to the camp crematorium (which was destroyed as the Nazis abandoned the
camp, and has been rebuilt by the Poles) has walls soaked both inside
and out with the tell-tale blue staining that comes from repeated Zyklon
B usage. There is a stove and chimney outside, for heating the interior.
Inside, a long clay heating conduit runs the length of one wall. This
building was clearly a delousing gas chamber. The Zyklon granules would
be placed on the heating conduit, and the stove would be fired up. The
conduit would become hot, and the granules would release their gas. The
two doors would then be opened for natural ventilation. This is an "old
style" German Zyklon B delousing chamber, built before the more modern
chambers, like the ones at Dachau, were designed (the newer, more energy
efficient chambers came equipped with Zyklon evaporators, which would
heat the granules on a kind of hot plate, and blow the gas onto the
clothes, mattresses, etc. This was more energy efficient because it was
a waste of fuel to heat an ENTIRE ROOM when it was only the ZYKLON
GRANULES that needed to be warmed up. These Zyklon evaporators remain at
Dachau today, in the delousing chambers of "Barrack X."). The "evidence"
of homicidal usage of the Stutthof gas chamber is a "Zyklon B induction
hole" in the roof. We are told that the Zyklon would be poured in
through the this hole on the heads of the unsuspecting victims. The roof
of this chamber is accessible only via ladder. Let's pause to read what
Pressac has to say about Stutthof: "It is not known when this gas
chamber FOR DELOUSING PRISONERS' EFFECTS (emphasis his) was installed.
Its dimensions are close to the standard dimensions of those erected by
BOOS or DEGESH...From 22nd June to the beginning of November 1944, it
was used as a HOMICIDAL gas chamber for groups of about 100 people,
Zyklon B being poured in through a small opening of 15 cm diameter in
the roof, a system apparently introduced on the advice of SS Lieutenant
Colonel Rudolf Hoess, former commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau and at
that time head of Department D1 of the WVHA-SS (SS Economic
Administration Head Office). While the history of this gas chamber is
known from TESTIMONIES reported by Father Krzysztof Dunin-Wasowicz,
there has been no scientific examination of the "murder weapon" since
1945, which means that we do not know how the chamber functioned as a
delousing installation and are unable to provide material proof of its
criminal use. (Pressac cont.) The number of victims is estimated at one
or two thousand. The visit (to Stutthof) did not greatly impress us."
(Pressac; "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers" pages
539-540) The Stutthof Museum personnel agree with Pressac's claim that
this was FIRST AND FOREMOST a delousing chamber, used as such for years,
only LATER "converted" into a homicidal one. Now, let's ask some
questions, picking up from where we left off in the "38 Questions" 
39) The Stutthof "gas chamber" has a large floor drain right in the
middle of the room, DIRECTLY BELOW the "Zyklon B induction hole." Any
granules dropped through this hole would automatically go right down the
drain. What's more, the floor of this room is DEPRESSED in the middle,
where the drain is, so that any water or, in this case, Zyklon granules,
would automatically roll into the drain. what would stop the Zyklon
granules from going down the drain, since they were being poured into
the room directly over this drain? And, if a few granules missed the
drain, wouldn't they simply roll, or couldn't the inmates brush them,
down the drain? 
40) The roof of this room is low enough so that a tall person could
reach up and block the "Zyklon B induction hole." However, the
thoughtful Nazis, by installing the heating conduit that runs the length
of on wall, have made it possible for ANYONE, of whatever height, to
stand on this conduit and block the hole. What would stop the inmates
>from  blocking the "Zyklon B induction hole," especially since they would
be EXPECTING foul play (this room was the official Stutthof delousing
chamber, known as such by all the inmates. No Stutthof inmate would
expect to be given a "shower" in this room, and indeed the Stutthof
Museum makes no claims about such a deception (neither do the
eyewitnesses)? 
41) Why was this building - a clear "proof" of Nazi crimes, what with
its "Zyklon B induction hole," - not DESTROYED as the Nazis evacuated
the camp? Amazingly, the crematorium RIGHT NEXT DOOR was blown up, and,
in fact, one side of the gas chamber building was actually HIT by
shrapnel from the exploding crematorium. Yet the gas chamber was allowed
to remain intact, even though, as reported by the Stutthof survivor
interviewed on the "Crusaders" TV show, at the end of the war the Nazis
were ordered to KILL EVERY INMATE at Stutthof, in order to erase any
evidence of the gassings (by killing all the eyewitnesses). For some
unknown reason, this order was never carried out, and the Stutthof
inmates were evacuated west. Why would the Nazis BLOW UP the
crematorium, yet leave the "homicidal" gas chamber standing? Why would
the Nazis decide to KILL EVERY INMATE in order to "cover up" their
crimes, yet leave the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of those crimes standing? Why
wouldn't the Nazis AT LEAST cover up the "Zyklon B induction hole,"
which would serve as CLEAR AND INDISPUTABLE PROOF of homicidal usage
(unless we dare to imagine that this hole was put in by the
Soviets/Poles, as they ADMIT doing at the building the Nazis abandoned
knowing it was soon to fall into Soviet hands. Considering the great
pains that the Nazis went through to "cover up" the gassings elsewhere,
how hard would it have been to dynamite THIS building along with the
crematorium just a few yards away? 
42) Since personal testimony is all we have to go on regarding the
homicidal usage of this chamber, and since much of this testimony also
mentions the "human soap" - which has long been officially debunked -
what evidence do we have that the testimony about the Stutthof homicidal
gas chamber is any more reliable than the testimony about the human
soap? I could add one more question (but I won't), something about the
fact that the Stutthof gas chamber is located in full view of all the
inmates, inmates who were NOT destined for extermination, and not, to a
great extent, Jewish. Strangely, the secrecy-obsessed Nazis also seemed
obsessed with conducting their homicidal gassings in the most open,
noticeable places possible...especially at the non-"extermination" camps
(at Mauthausen, another non-extermination camp, the "gas chamber" is
right in the middle of the inmate barracks), thus hoping, I suppose, to
create tens or hundreds of thousands of "eyewitnesses" to something the
Nazis would not even discuss privately in coded transmissions. Go
figure. The following four questions are based on personal meetings I
had during my last trip to Europe in October of 1994. In Lublin, Poland,
I met with Tomasz Kranz, Curator of the Majdanek State Museum. I spoke
at length with Mr. Kranz, who has been Curator for ten years, in his
office on the Majdanek concentration camp site, Two weeks later, in a
suburb outside Paris, I met with Jean-Claude Pressac, the celebrated
Holocaust author who has become perhaps the man most recognized with
defending the gas chamber theory. I met with Mr. Pressac in his office,
and got to spend roughly six hours discussing gas chambers, Holocaust
history, the demands of publishing in the mainstream, and much more. For
the purpose of this list of questions, I have chosen four simple ones
based on these meetings. 
43) Majdanek Curator Tomasz Kranz had to admit, after I raised the same
questions I've raised in this list, that the biggest Majdanek "gas
chamber," chamber #1, was not intended or used homicidally. Big
revelation. With the doors, window, and everything else that precludes
homicidal usage, this is a conclusion even a five year old child would
come to. Although Kranz could offer no evidence for homicidal usage in
the other three chambers, chamber #1 was the only one he was willing to
completely jettison as a homicidal room. Pressac went further. He is
only willing to even CONSIDER homicidal gassings in chamber #3. Of
course, he has no evidence. What's more, he admits that the Soviets laid
down fake "gas piping" in chamber #3 to give the room the appearance of
a homicidal gas chamber. This is certainly in keeping with Soviet
precedent regarding the mishandling and faking of important historical
evidence. Pressac could offer no REAL evidence for gassings in this
room. But my question is: Why does Curator Tomasz Kranz continue to
allow this room to be represented to tourists and the world as a
homicidal gas chamber, when he privately acknowledges it never was? If
there is agreement that this room was never homicidally used, why
continue to promote it as a death chamber? If the Majdanek Curator and
Europe's most well known Holocaust author express such uncertainty about
homicidal usage of this and the other rooms, why are people like me who
ask basic questions like these labeled as anti-Semitic irrational
cranks? If, as Pressac believes, rooms 1,2 and 4 were not homicidal gas
chambers, what evidence is there that anyone was killed in room 3? 
44) At Auschwitz Birkenau, the rooms in Kremas 4 and 5 that are supposed
to have been used as homicidal gas chambers all had drains in the floor
that led right into the camp sewage system. These floor drains can still
be seen today. Since, in these "gas chambers," it is said that the
Zyklon pellets were dumped in loose, what stopped the pellets from going
down the drain or being kicked or brushed down by the victims? Pressac
was aware of this problem. He has tried to prove that the Zyklon pellets
would present no problem. He has tried to prove that the Zyklon pellets
would present no danger in the camp sewer, since the water would (in his
opinion; this is a debatable point) "neutralize" the poison so it
wouldn't present a danger when going through Birkenau's large sewage
treatment plants. But Pressac misses the point; the question of just how
harmful the Zyklon would be in the sewer is SECONDARY to the point that
if the Zyklon is IN the sewer that means it's NOT in the gas chamber
doing the job the Nazis intended! If the victims can dump the Zyklon
into the sewer, that means they themselves won't be gassed. How could
these rooms have functioned as homicidal gas chambers? 
45) There is a large square manhole in the floor of the Krema 1 "gas
chamber" at the Auschwitz Main Camp. The manhole has a concrete cover
with a metal handle. It is possible for anybody of normal or even below-
normal strength to lift off the lid, and the manhole is large enough for
anyone of any size to climb down. What would stop the victims from
climbing down the manhole to either escape the gas chamber via the sewer
OR at least escape the gas? And even if escape wasn't possible, what
would stop the victims from kicking or brushing the Zyklon B pellets
down the manhole and closing the cover? There is something I should
mention here, since several times I've talked about the possibility of
the victims brushing the pellets down floor drains of in this, the worst
case yet, a manhole. Zyklon B can kill a human being quite effectively
when its gas is INHALED. It kills through the lungs. It doesn't kill
through the skin (unless it is in contact with the skin for a very long
period of time and in a very high concentration). Therefore, the pellets
could easily be handled by victims in a gas chamber without posing any
threat to the victims via absorption through the skin. In fact, a Zyklon
mixture was frequently brushed directly onto people's arms and legs
during disinfestation procedures at Auschwitz, and Zyklon was also used
in a liquid solution to bathe people in for delousing. As for the Zyklon
pellets giving off their gas, it should be remembered that Zyklon B
begins giving off gas when warmed. The hotter it is, the quicker the
evaporation. Yet Kremas 1 ( and 2 and 3) were not only UNHEATED but
partially or completely UNDERGROUND! All three rooms were used or
designed as morgues; they were MEANT to be cold all the time. It has
never been explained just how the Zyklon was heated, especially in the
freezing winter months. The best that the other side can do is say that
the body temperatures of the victims warmed the rooms. But that would
take time, and the "confession" of Auschwitz Commandant Hoess speaks of
a very swift process - herd 'em in, drop down the gas, ventilate the
room. No time mentioned to let the victims warm up the room. Zyklon
pellets dropped down into a cold room, landing on the cold floor, would
not only give off gas slowly, but would be safe to brush down a drain or
manhole. What would stop the inmates from doing this? (For the record,
there is a floor drain in the Krema 1 "gas chamber" AS WELL as a
manhole...but with a manhole of that size, the drain becomes almost
irrelevant!) In 1992 I ran my manhole question past Dr. Franciszek
Piper, Senior Curator of the Auschwitz State Museum, and he had no
answer. When I ran it by Pressac, he thought I was trying to put one
over on him; he didn't believe there WAS a manhole in Krema 1! I was
floored that he had never seen it. We argued about this for some time
until I had to go through his files and find a picture of Krema 1 and
POINT OUT the damn manhole. Now HE was floored. "Over the last ten years
I've been to Krema 1 more times than I can possibly count," he said (in
French, of course), "and I've never noticed the manhole!" "The next time
you go, Jean-Claude," I responded, "you should look down!" "Ah, that is
the problem David," he said. "You look down while I look up." Well, for
the record, I look up too. My aim is to notice things, to take these gas
chambers seriously; to walk into these rooms and ask three questions:
"How is this gas chamber supposed to have worked?" "What would have
happened if it worked that way?, and "What evidence is there that it
did?" The mainstream historians gloss over the difficult questions. They
have nothing to gain by challenging their own beliefs. As a result, all
too often they don't pay attention to the crucial details of their own
stories. They come up with their conclusion first, and then they only
pay attention to the evidence that supports that conclusion. They don't
look at ALL the evidence. As a result, the mainstream Holocaust
historians have only had to explain the problems and discrepancies in
their story (like the absence of Zyklon B traces) after revisionists
have pointed out these problems. Mainstream Holocaust historians have
never tried to explain problems with the gas chamber story willingly;
they've always had to be prodded into doing so. (This, by the way, is
not a situation unique to Holocaust history. The value of a society
where dissent is allowed to exist is that often times it is the
existence of two or more opposing sides to an issue that prompts and
encourages the search for the truth; each side critiques the other side
mercilessly and, therefore, the public is made aware of possible flaws
in ALL sides. If a school of thought is insulated from criticism, as
Holocaust history is in all the countries where questioning the gas
chambers in an illegal and punishable offense, that school of thought
can remain unchecked for errors). As for the manhole, apparently the
other side has not yet been able to rationalize its presence in as
supposedly homicidal gas chamber. I welcome their attempts. Maybe
there's something I'M missing. It doesn't matter to me if one proceeds
with the hypothesis that there were homicidal gas chambers, or with the
hypothesis that there weren't. As long as we search in good faith for
the facts. The only crime is to wish away the difficult questions,
pretending they don't exist and slandering the people who do nothing
more than ask them. 
46) Another thing I learned from Pressac is that he believes that the
Krema 1 "gas chamber" had THREE "Zyklon B induction holes," running in a
straight line in the ceiling. But the Auschwitz State Museum believes
that there were FOUR holes, running in two lines of two holes. When the
Poles and Soviets put holes in the Krema 1 roof after liberation, this
is the version they installed; four holes in two lines. This is the
version that can be seen today in Krema 1. But Pressac says they're
wrong; it was THREE holes in a straight line. Who's right? Were there
three holes or four? And how do we know that there were ever ANY holes?
There are no holes present in any of the aerial photos, and there were
no holes when the Soviets liberated the camp. The important question is;
HOW can such a debate (three holes or four?) among major Holocaust
scholars exist in the first place? It is only because hard evidence for
gassings at Auschwitz is so lacking that something like this can still
be an issue fifty years later. Whatever the evidence for gassings at
Krema 1, it is apparently not good ENOUGH evidence to provide a
description of the gas chamber that all scholars can agree on. Now, it
would be one thing if we had tons of SUPPLEMENTARY evidence (i.e. Zyklon
B traces in the walls that were heavier than all the other rooms,
evidence of people entering the building en masse and never coming out,
a special ventilation system and heating equipment, or German coded
transmissions or documents talking about gassings, etc.); then we could
at least say "Well, we know there were gassings, we're just not sure
about the design of the gas chamber." But there is no supplementary
evidence. We have no description of the Krema 1 murder weapon, but we
ALSO have no evidence of any murders in Krema 1. Even the best
prosecutor in the world would be hard pressed to get a conviction were
this case to be tried in any standard American court. All that we have
are testimonies. And just a few. Yet Pressac spends much of his gas
chamber book demolishing these testimonies as false. We have the
testimony of camp Commandant Hoess, the man who SHOULD have been able to
provide us with the best description of the Krema 1 gas chamber, but
Pressac, Hilberg, Lipstadt, Chris Browning, and most other Holocaust
scholars dismiss his account as unreliable, fabricated, or just plain
false. So what's left? Pressac searches in vain for ANY hard evidence to
reproduce in his chapter on Kremas 1, and ends up with nothing. As a
result, this chapter is perhaps the most awkward in Pressac's book.
Pressac begins the chapter by affirming his belief in homicidal gassings
in this room, but then goes on to offer no evidence, and what's more he
doubts the credibility of the testimonies, which are the only evidence
he offers. One is left saying "Jean-Claude Pressac believes in Homicidal
gassings in Krema 1...I'm just not sure why." What I try to do is look
at the evidence that calls gassings into question (the manhole, the
floor drain, the lack of Zyklon B traces, the absence of documentary
evidence, the lack of evidence in the aerial photos, the lack of
ventilation, the fact that the room is extremely cold, etc. etc.) and
weigh that against any evidence FOR gassings (a few testimonies which
the experts themselves doubt). You can see how a debate over the design
of this "gas chamber" can still be raging among mainstream historians;
it is because of the lack of evidence. And it is therefore legitimate to
ask "If you don't know whether there were three or four holes, how do
you know that there were ANY holes?"

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AUSCHWITZ: A RE-EVALUATION OF THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS


        Auschwitz was both the largest and most notorious of the Nazi
concentration camps.  Auschwitz is central to the literature on the
Holocaust and Nazi crimes.  At one time, it was claimed that as many as
four million people were killed in the gas chambers at Auschwitz.
Through the years, historians have developed their own estimates.  Few
historians ever really accepted the four million number which was
clearly a wartime exaggeration.  Still, Kazimierz Smolen, who was
director of the State Auschwitz Museum for many years, as well as a
former Auschwitz prisoner, stated as late as 1991, "In my view, no one
can deny the number of 4 million." 1  It is interesting to note that as
early as 1952, Gerald Reitlinger denied the 4 million claim.  He writes,

        "...the figure of four millions has become ridiculous.
Unfortunately Russian   arithmetic has blurred the stark and inescapable
facts that little less than a million   human beings perished in
Auschwitz." 2

        It is impossible to discuss the number of victims at Auschwitz
without mention of the concentration camp commandant, Rudolf Hoess.  The
various testimonies, books, etc., of Hoess have contributed greatly to
the confusion over and exaggeration of the number of victims at
Auschwitz.  Historians attempting to prove the exterminationist view of
Auschwitz have been quick to use some of Hoess' estimates.  The problem
is that Hoess is very unreliable and his numbers varied greatly in his
various testimonies.  As a witness for the defense at Nuremberg, he
claimed, on April 4, 1946 that, "the total of 2,500,000 victims were
incinerated in Auschwitz, with at least 500,000 more who died of illness
and exhaustion." 3   Later, Hoess would repudiate these numbers.  Hoess
would re-estimate the number of victims at 1.13 million.  4  Paul
Rassinier would point out a seemingly contradictory passage from Hoess.
In his "autobiography," Hoess wrote,

        "Toward the end of 1942, all the mass graves were cleaned
[crematory ovens had    not been built yet, and incineration was done in
mass graves].  The number of    cadavers buried there exceeded 107,000."
5

        The testimony of Hoess is filled with inconsistent and
implausible dates, non-existant places, and wild exaggerations.  At the
Nuremberg trial,  Col. Amen would read an affidavit by Hoess.  Col. Amen
read:

        "I was ordered to establish extermination facilities at
Auschwitz in June 1941.  At     that time, there were already in the
General Government three other extermination    camps: Belzek,
Treblinka, and Wolzek...I visited Treblinka to find out how they
carried out their exterminations.  The camp commandant at Treblinka told
me that         he had liquidated 80,000 in the course of one-half
year."6

Even this small paragraph had many  inconsistencies.  Many writers
including J.C. Pressac have shown that the "June 1941" date is
impossible.  Pressac writes, "The evidence that we have studied suggests
that Hoess retrospectively confused 1941 with 1942." 7  This explanation
is also weak however.  Examining the complete affadavit reveals that
Hoess uses the 1941 date on numerous occassions.  These dates should
have been clear in Hoess's mind.  Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa,
the attack on the U.S.S.R. in June of 1941.  This was one of the most
important dates in the entire history of the Third Reich.  Similarly,
Hoess was promoted to lieutenant-colonel in July 1942.  Each of these
events should have stood out in Hoess' memory.  Hoess also speaks of
three other camps in existence at the time.  Belzek only began to
function in March of 1942. 8  Treblinka, which Hoess claims was in
operation for at least six months only began operations on July 23,
1942.  9  As for the thir!
d camp mentioned in the affadavit, Wolzek.  It never existed at all.
Christopher Browning would admit under sworn testimony, "There is no
such camp [as Wolzek] that I know of.  I don't think that that testimony
is accurate." 10

        An explanation for Hoess's  wild testimony is the evidence that
Hoess was tortured by his captors.  Hoess wrote of such torture,

        "At my first interrogation,  evidence was obtained by beating
me.  I do not know      what is in the record, although I signed it.
Alcohol and the whip were too much for  me.  The whip was my own, which
by chance had got into my wife's luggage.  It   hardly ever touched my
horse, far less the prisoners.  Nevertheless, one of my
interrogators was convinced that I had perpetually used it for flogging
the     prisoners."11  

An account of the capture and interrogation of Rudolf Hoess, by Rupert
Butler includes the following episode, 

        "The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped
>from  his body.  He      was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter
tables, where it seemed to [Bernard]    Clarke the blows and screams
were endless.  Eventually, the Medical Officer  urged the Captain: 'Call
them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.'"12

The inconsistencies and conditions under which the Hoess "confessions"
were made render them virtually useless.

        In order to arrive at an estimate of the number of victims of
Auschwitz we must look further than the trial testimonies and eyewitness
accounts.  A major study of the number of victims at Auschwitz was begun
in 1980 by the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum.  This analysis was
completed in 1986.  Franciszek Piper, who heads the Department of
Historical Research at the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museumwas involved
in this study.  He has recently contributed an article entitled, "The
Number of Victims" to an anthology of the latest exterminationist views
on Auschwitz.  In this volume, "Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp,"
Piper writes,                                     

        "The Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, the leading Polish
institution on  Auschwitz history, decided in 1990 to undertake a
reassessment of the four million        figure, which it was using in
its own publications and had engraved on a statue that  commemorates the
victims at Birkenau.  As a result of this reassessment, new
calculations indicate that the number of victims was at least 1.1
million, about 90       percent of whom were Jews from almost every
country in Europe."13

        As one evaluates the literature and the statistics surrounding
the Auschwitz camp, it quickly becomes clear that the new estimate is
far from established fact and based on numerous assumptions which may
become untenable in the future.  Within the course of this article,
assumptions, facts, and questions regarding the number of victims at
Auschwitz shall be raised.  The difficulties of arriving at an exact
number should become clear to the reader.

        One of the earliest analysis of the number of victims at
Auschwitz was conducted by Gerald Reitlinger.  Mr. Reitlinger pointed
out in his, "The Final Solution," "the total number, who were registered
in the camp books between 1940 and 1945, Aryans as well as Jews, is said
to be 363,000." 14   We can disregard Mr. Reitlinger's use of the word
"Aryan".  Other sources show that the camp registration includes people
of all nationalities.  Reitlinger's use of this word is rather
ambiguous.  Yisrael Gutman, commenting on the same topic, offers a
slightly higher number.  He writes,

        "In the period from May 1940, when German authorities laid the
groundwork for its      establishment, to January 1945, when most
surviving Auschwitz prisoners were      marched off by their German
captors and Soviet Army troops liberated the camp,      approximately
405,000 prisoners of both sexes from nearly every European country  were
registered, assigned serial numbers, and incarcerated there." 15

It is possible that Gutman's number may include prisoners at the
Moniwitz camp, sometimes known as Auschwitz III, while Reitlinger's
number only includes the Auschwitz main camp, Auschwitz I, and Birkenau,
or Auschwitz II.  

        Just as the Nazi's maintained records of the number of inmates,
they kept track of the number of deaths in the camps.  Similarly,
prisoners attempted to determine the number of deaths occurring at the
camp themselves.  Prisoners noting their own registration number would
compare it to the camps overall population at the time of their arrival.
Reitlinger explained how the Nazi's used poor judgement when attempting
to prevent the startling calculations from being made, 

        "In March, 1944, when registrations in the Birkenau male camp
passed the 180th        thousand, a new series was started to prevent
internees making such disturbing        calculations.  The only result
was to spread the belief that millions had died in the  camp.  It was
only after the war that it was possible to check the number of camp
registrations: 253,000 men and 110,000 women." 16

This story is confirmed by Franciszek Piper who writes,

        "When Soviet soldiers liberated the camp in January 1945, they
found documents         that confirmed only 100,000 deaths.  Yet
surviving prisoners maintained that     millions had perished at
Auschwitz." 17

        The Nazi's recorded the number of victims in the Auschwitz Death
Registry Volumes.  These books were captured by the Soviets in January
of 1945 and probably report a total close to the 100,000 estimated by
Dr. Piper.  In 1989, the world became aware of this valuable information
which was sitting in a Soviet archive when officials in Moscow announced
that they held 46 of the volumes, recording the deaths of 69,000
Auschwitz inmates.  The 46 volumes cover a small part of 1941, 1942
completely and 1943 completely.  No volumes for 1943 or 1945 have been
released or acknowledged. 18   Dr. Arthur Butz reports slightly higher
numbers for 1942 and 1943 based on information from the International
Tracing Service in Arolsen, Germany, an agency of the International Red
Cross.  According to Dr. Butz there were, "45,575 recorded deaths in
1942, and 36,960 in 1943, with death books missing for 1940, 1941, 1944,
and January 1945." 19

        The task of calculating the number of victims at Auschwitz goes
beyond the difficulty of knowing the numbers who died in the years of
the missing death registries.  Lucy Dawidowicz explains, 

        "The statistics of the death camps are only approximate.  At
Auschwitz, the largest  mass-killing installation, many transports of
deportees went directly from the        detraining ramps to the gas
chambers and were never statistically registered." 20

The above quotation must be used with caution.  It is probably
appropriate to discuss inmates who were "never statistically
registered."  The evidence that Nazi official registration and
accounting fell into chaos as the war continued seems to be great.  To
argue, however,  that all unregistered deportees went "to the gas
chambers" is unsupported.  Many exterminationist theorists use the poor
accounting and discrepancies in registrations as the only means to
support the gas chamber extermination story.    It is obvious to the
objective reader that failure to register a deportee does not guarantee
that they were killed or that the method of their destruction was a gas
chamber.

        In his attempt to calculate the number of victims, Dr. Piper
considers the number of prisoners who left Auschwitz alive.  Utilizing
this analysis we can begin to approach some minimum figure for the
number of victims at the camp.  According to Dr. Piper, "...some 25,000
prisoners were transported from Auschwitz-Birkenau to other camps in the
years 1940-43.  A considerable discrepancy exists for the years 1944 and
1945."  21  Piper accepts the number of 187,820 for 1944 and 1945 which
includes registered and unregistered prisoners.  This number is derived
>from  a study by Andrzej Strzelecki entitled, "Ewakuacja, likwidacja I
wyzolenie KL Auschwitz."  Piper utilizes Czech's "Kalendarium" to
estimate the unregistered transferees at 25,000 persons.  Dr. Piper
continues,

         "To the number of prisoners who were transferred out of
Auschwitz from 1940 to  1945 (212,820), one must add 1,500 released
prisoners, 500 escapees, and 8,000      liberated inmates, for an
estimated grand total of 222,820 prisoners who left the         camp
alive."22

At this time, a word of caution must be advised.  There is an extreme
difficulty in utilizing the statistics from  Auschwitz.  Dr. Mayer
warns, "...there are no reliable statistics to work with."  23
Proceeding with caution, let us continue to use the statistics
available.  First we know the number of registered inmates at Auschwitz.
Reitlinger reported 383,000 while Gutman reported 405,000.  Next, let us
recall Piper's calculation of the number of registered inmates who
survived Auschwitz.  Piper's conservative estimate would be, 222,820
minus the 25,000 unregistered deportees discussed above, or a total of
197,820.   This results in a range of 185,180 (Reitlinger)  to 207,180
(Gutman) registered victims.   

        This appalling death rate, 48% based on Reitlinger/Piper, 51%
based on Gutman/Piper for those registered at Auschwitz can be tested
for validity.  In 1989, Fred Leuchter published an analysis of Auschwitz
in which he estimated the theoretical capacity of the Crematories.
Using an initial start up date and a final usage date for each of the
crematories, Leuchter concluded that 193,576 people could have been
cremated. 24  This tends to verify that the number of crematories at
Auschwitz were in line with the number of inmates who were reported
dying there.  Leuchter's estimates vary considerably from those
attributed to Kurt Pruefer, the engineer who designed the crematoria at
Auschwitz-Birkenau.  According to Jean-Claude Pressac, Pruefer estimated
the capacity at 1,440 bodies in 24 hours.25  We must be wary of
Pressac's assertion however, as Robert-Jan Van Pelt, who has
collaborated with Pressac writes,

        "Figures that would point to a more sinister scenario, such as
Pressac's assertion     that Pruefer initially calculated that the
crematorium would be capable of burning         1,440 bodies in 24
hours...must be considered either in the context of the fact that  the
furnaces in the main camp were estimated at a total output of 140 bodies
in 24   hours...or as an error or at least a disregard for scholarly
convention on Pressac's         part....Either I missed an important
source that Pressac found but failed to properly        annotate, or he
creatively projected the numbers of June 1943 back into the
discussions of October 1941" 26

Leuchter has also not considered the various down-times for the
crematoria.  Throughout the article by Pressac and Van Pelt, the
numerous occassions in which the crematoria broke down due to excessive
usage are documented.   

        Dr. Arthur Butz has also reviewed the crematoria in relation to
the known numbers of deaths at the various concentrattion camps.  Butz
concludes:

        "We see, in fact, that the ratio of cremation muffles to deaths
somewhat disfavors      Auschwitz: that is, it was decided that
Auschwitz would be less well equipped   with crematoria than Buchenwald
and Dachau (two camps that, by universal        agreement, were not
extermination camps."27

Similarly, Robert-Jan Van Pelt writes of the Birkenau crematoria
capacity,

        "If we compare these numbers with the figures for the Birkenau
crematorium, it         becomes apparent that, assuming that the camp
was indeed going to be completed        and filled to capacity, the
sequence of five three-muffle furnaces was not an       excessive
propostiion... With a capacity of 15 muffles or 22.5 units for 125,000
inmates, we come to 1 unit per 5,555 inmates, that is, less than a third
of the  capacity of Auschwitz I, and very much in line with Dachau and
Buchenwald." 28

Van Pelt goes on to discuss the enormous increase in corpse cellars at
Auschwitz,

        "The plan of January 6 added another 250,000 cu. ft., to arrive
at Sachsenhausen's      capacity of 1 corpse per 50 inmates.  In short,
this sixfold amplification was meant    only to bring the morgue
capacity of the camp in line with that found in other   concentration
camps." 29

Van Pelt also raises an interesting question regarding the crematoria
capacity and the supposed timing of the mass exterminations at Birkenau,

        "To interpret [Hans] Kammler's visit as the key event in the
transformation of       Birkenau into an extermination site raises the
paradox that the decision to begin      mass murder coincided with the
decision to reduce the incineration capacity of the     camp from
1:4,000 to 1:5,555." 30

It becomes evident that the facilities at Auschwitz are not, in and of
themselves, indicative of  the sinister scenarios portrayed in the
popular media.

        We must now return to the issue of the unregistered deportees.
According to  Dr. Piper's analysis, a total of 1.3 million people were
transferred to the Auschwitz camp. 31  If we subtract the 405,000
registered inmates, we are left with 895,000 potential unregistered
transferees.   We will also consider the estimates offered by
Reitlinger.  Reitlinger lists Jewish deportees country by country and
concludes that 840,800 were brought to Auschwitz.  If we subtract our
higher estimate for the numer of registered victims, 207,180, we arrive
at 633,620 unaccounted for.  This corresponds closely with Reitlinger's
claim, "550,000 to 600,000 may have been gassed on arrival." 32  We find
that this estimate is corroborated by Jean-Claude Pressac; Pressac
suggests that 630,000 victims were gassed. 33  We shall evaluate these
two estimates of the number of unaccounted for at Auschwitz, 895,000 and
630,000.   

        Many exterminationist theorists are quick to proclaim that the
unaccounted for were sent directly to the gas chambers.  This solution
is actually too simple and does not consider all of the possiblities
regarding the fate of the unregistered transferees.  In an attempt to
validate the existence of the gas chambers as well as justifying their
own theories, exterminationists overlook the other possible explanations
regarding the fate of the unregistered transferees.  This author has
determined four possible explanations regarding the fate of these
630,000/895,000 persons.  They are as follows: 
        a) Extermination 
        b) Death by "natural" means  
        c) An error in estimation  
        d) Deportations / transfers. 

 Before analyzing each of these solutions, it is important to consider
that the unregistered transferees do not have to fall entirely into one
of these categories.  It is possible that the fate of the unregistered
is split between these four alternatives.

        First, let us examine the primary claim of a vast number of
Holocaust historians, namely, extermination.  Many historians claim that
the unregistered transferees were taken directly to the gas chambers.
In reality, there is little proof of such a claim.  Dr. Mayer writes for
example, "Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and
unreliable...No written orders for gassing have turned up thus far." 34
In 1988, Fred Leuchter, an American  who specialized in the design and
fabrication of execution hardware used in American prisons analyzed the
alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz.  In his report, Mr. Leuchter writes,

        "...After study of available literature, examination and
evaluation of the existing      facilities at Auschwitz, Birkenau and
Majdanek, with expert knowledge of the  design criteria for gas chamber
operation,... the author finds no evidence that any of  the facilities
normally alleged to be execution gas chambers were ever used as such
and finds, further, that because of the design and fabrication of these
facilities, they        could not have been utilized for execution gas
chambers."  35

        Mr. Leuchter's analysis is admittedly controversial and
problematic.  His analysis has resulted in numerous other forensic
studies of Auschwitz.  These included a study initiated by the Auschwitz
State Museum and carried out by the Institute of Forensic Research of
Krakow.  The Krakow institute found similar results, 

        "Of the samples taken from crematories 1, 2, 3, and 5, only
sample number 15        showed almost indectectably small traces of
cyanide compounds...The analysis of     the wall plaster taken from the
rooms of Block 3 did indicate the presence of   hydrocyanic acid
compounds, although only in very small amounts.  This result is a
confirmation of the fact that in these rooms of Block 3, preparations of
hydrogen        cyanide such as in Zyklon B were used for disinfection."
36

        A third study was conducted by Walter Lueftl, who was the
president of the Austrian Engineers Chamber.  Lueftl's findings were as
follows:

        "Mass murder in the manner described, with Zyklon B and with
carbon monoxide,        cannot have taken place, either, because it too
would violate the laws of nature, and   because the necessary technical
and organizational prerequisites were lacking...        The crematories
could never have disposed of the number of victims: this may be
considered proven by engineering science.  Bodies are not a combustible
material.       Their cremation requires a great deal of time and
energy." 37

        The findings of these various reports in no way minimizes the
terrible situation in the Auschwitz camp.  Dr. Mayer accurately points
out that "the Jewish ordeal at Auschwitz is not contingent on the use of
gas chambers." 38

        We shall next examine the idea that many of the unregistered
transferees succombed to death by "natural" causes.  By "natural," I
will utilize the definition of Dr. Mayer, 

        "There is a distinction between dying from "natural" or "normal"
causes and being        killed by shooting, hanging, phenol injection,
or gassing." 39

It can certainly be argued that if the transferees were simply not
registered but resided in the camps with their fellow inmates that they
would have been exposed to similar conditions and therefore a similar
"natural" death rate.  Once again, I turn to Dr. Mayer who explains, 

        "...from 1942 to 1945, certainly at Auschwitz, but probably
overall, more Jews      were killed by so-called "natural" causes than
by "unnatural" ones." 40

        One of the so-called "natural" causes of death at Auschwitz was
Typhus.  It is well-documented that this killer disease devastated the
population of Auschwitz.  It is reported that the camp doctors were
surprised by the epidemic.  Jean-Claude Pressac explains the situation,

        "[the camp doctors] thought that prophylactic measures
(quarantining, shearing of      hair) and hygiene (local disinfection of
hair, showers) applied to the prisoners         upon arrival would
prevent the introduction of the plague into the camp by
eradicating the agent of the disease, lice." 41 

        Even with quarantines, the death rate of the inmates soared.
Pressac calls the situation, "catastrophic."42  Mayer calls the
epidemic, "devastating." 43  It was absolutely necessary to combat this
disease.  The tool used was a hydrocyanic acid (prussic acid) pesticide
known as Zyklon B.  Pressac explains the method utilized,

        "Everything had to be deloused immediately: personal effects,
barracks, buildings,    and workships.  Tons of Zyklon B were needed to
save the camp." 44

Pressac also reports that at this time, there were no crematorium
operable.  In July of 1942, the company Huta accepted a proposal to
build a new crematorium. 45  The building of crematorium at Auschwitz,
in light of the typhus epidemic seems entirely reasonable.
Exterminationist theorists normally cast this decision in a far more
sinister fashion.

        Assuming that the "natural" death rate was largely responsible
for the deaths of most of the victims of Auschwitz, corresponds with the
documented, stated purpose of the concentration camp system.  On January
20, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, head of the Security Service and Secret
Police discussed the plans for the final solution of the Jewish question
at the Wannsee Conference.  Heydrich said,

        "Under proper direction the Jews should now in the course of the
Final Solution  [Endloesung] be brought to the East in a suitable way
for use as labor.  In big labor         gangs, with separation of the
sexes, the Jews capable of work are brought to these    areas and
employed in road building, in which task undoubtedly a great part will
fall out through natural diminution [natuerliche Verminderung].46

        The German military situation caused an extreme shortage of
labor.  Following Heydrich's plan, many companies turned to the SS for
prisoner labor.  Krakowski reports,

        "Many German firms were involved in the exploitation of the
Auschwitz prisoners.    The most important were IG Farbenindustrie and
Bismarckhuette, Oberschlesische         Hydrierwerke, Siemens-Schuckert,
Herman Goering Werke, Ost Maschinenbau,         Gruen & Bilginer,
Holzmann, Koenigshuetter Metallwerke, Emmerich Machold,         Borsig
Koks-Werke, Rheinmetall Borsig, and Schlesische Feinweberei.  These
firms worked in close partnership with the SS." 47

Large sums of money were being paid to the SS for use of this prison-
slave labor.  In an article by Dr. Piper, he writes,

        "At the end of 1943, the state's monthly earnings from the hire
of Auschwitz    prisoners reached two million reichsmarks.  Partially
preserved bills for seven       months of male prisoner labor and nine
months of female prisoner labor indicate        that the state received
over 12 million reichsmarks.  Total earnings of the Nazi state  from
Auschwitz prisoners' labor from 1940 to 1945 are estimated to have
reached         60 million reichsmarks." 48

Considering the economic benefits of the slave-labor system, it is no
wonder that in December 1942 that Heinrich Himmler ordered, "...the
death rate absolutely must be reduced." 49

        The value of the Jewish inmates to the economy cannot be over-
estimated.  On November 14, 1942, General Becker wrote:

        "...the Commander of the Security Police said that if he was
ordered to dismiss his  Jews immediately he would of course do so, but
then he would at the same time  have to report that his plant, in
particular the motor vehicle plant, would have to       close as a
result.  I too made the point that the immediate dismissal of all the
Jews    from the plants of the order police would cause considerable
difficulties."50

        The third possible explanation of the fate of the unaccounted
for, is that there was an error in estimation.   The type of estimates
made by  Piper, Reitlinger, and Pressac are  extremely difficult to do
with any precision.  Clearly there are inherent dangers in utilizing the
statistics of Auschwitz.  Dr. Mayer of Princeton University writes,

         "The camp officials did not keep very accurate records of the
inbound deportees.      Untold thousands were "processed" without being
signed in.  Because of this, and        because so many records were
destroyed, there are no close approximations of the     numbers and
identities of the Jews checked into Auschwitz except for those sent
there from western Europe." 51   

Surprisingly, even Dr. Piper seems to agree with this evaluation
admitting, 

        "Incomplete source material precludes the possibility of
calculating all the numbers     of transfers, releases, and escapes.
Some prisoners may have been counted twice      if, for example, a
transport that carried prisoners from Auschwitz to an unknown
destination was counted again in a list drawn up by another
concentration camp."52

Sometimes, the estimates used for the number of victims are offered by
former prisoners who survived Auschwitz.  These estimates are also quite
faulty and cannot be used with any objectivity.  Of these reports, Dr.
Piper writes,

        "Because of the difficulty these prisoners had in gaining access
to information and      the inevitable distortions that occurred when
the data were analyzed and      transmitted, these reports are marred by
serious errors, discrepancies, and      contradictions." 53

        Finally, let us examine the possiblity that those who were
unregistered when transferred to Auschwitz were transferred elsewhere.
There is no doubt that this is a viable explanation of the fate of many
of the unregistered transferees.  Shmuel Krakowski, the Chief Archivist
of Yad Vashem, Israel's national memorial to the Holocaust, explains,

        "The Germans did not register the prisoners who were sent to
quarantine; nor did     they compile statistical data on the number of
prisoners sent there.  Those who        were transferred to other
concentration camps were not registered, either.  Only  those prisoners
who were selected for work in the Auschwitz satellite camps were
registered and tattooed with Auschwitz concentration camp numbers." 54

Similarly, Reitlinger comments,

        "...very large groups of Jews in 1944 stayed in the camp without
registration,   awaiting transfer elsewhere, and they stayed long enough
to die of epidemics." 55

        In order to determine the numbers of unregistered transferees,
the overall concentration camp system statistics become very helpful.
The total concentration camp system  (all camps) population statistics
for registered inmates are known.  Analyzing the data for the years of
Auschwitz's existence we find the entire system averaged around 100,000
inmates in 1941 and 1942.  By August of 1943, the numbers crept up to
220,000.  They continued to rise so that by August of 1944, they had
reached 520,000.  The final population numbers for January of 1945
report 710,000 inmates. 56  The statistics for Auschwitz are: August
1943- 74,000, August 1944- 105,168, January 1945 - 67,000.57

        In the period from 1944 to 1945, when the entire camp system
population grew so dramatically (five to seven times the 1942
population), large numbers of inmates were being transferred from the
East to the West.  Dr. Piper explains that initially, these transferees
were non-Jewish,

        "Declaration of the Reich territory as 'Judenfrei' precluded the
transfer of Jewish      Auschwitz prisoners to camps inside Germany.
Since the prohibition did not apply     to non-Jewish prisoners, many
non-Jews, especially Poles, were moved to camps         in the German
interior."58

This situation would change by the spring of 1944, when large numbers of
Jews were transferred to the western concentration camps.  Again Dr.
Piper explains,

        "The subsequent lifting of the prohibition [of sending Jews to
the west] in the        spring of 1944 marked the onset of mass
transfers of manpower surpluses into the        Reich.  A new category
of prisoners was established.  These prisoners were not         assigned
serial numbers."59

It is from this time, the spring of 1944, that Dr. Piper declares that
Auschwitz, "became the center for the distibution of Jewish labor for
the entire network of concentration camps."60

We also know at this time, Herman Goering and Albert Speer were
desperate to increase the output of fighter planes.  They proposed a
plan to build an impregnable underground factory at Auschwitz.  On April
7, 1944, Hitler offered to urge Heinrich Himmler to help procure the
necessary manpower by impressing 100,000 Hungarian Jews.  On May 11,
Himmler notified Pohl that Hitler had ordered 10,000 Waffen-SS troops be
detached "to guard the 200,000 Jews...[about] to be transferred to the
Reich's concentration camps for assignment to large construction
projects of the Todt Organization or to other essential war work." 61

        The fate of the Hungarian Jews is very important to the
controversy over the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz.  The
deportations of Hungarian Jews represent the largest deportation to
occur at that time.  Of approximately 438,000 Hungarian Jews deported to
Auschwitz in May, June, and July of 1944, only about 10 percent were
declared fit for labor.62  Although it was often claimed that the vast
majority of the remaining 90 percent were quickly put to death, we now
know that while, "some were retained to work in Auschwitz itself; the
remainder were dispersed to 386 camps in the Nazi empire  The largest
groups were concentrated in the notorious camps of Bergen-Belsen,
Buchenwald, Dachau, Gross-Rosen, Gunskirchen, Mauthausen, Neuengamme,
Ravensbruck, and Sachsenhausen." 63 

        It is clear then, that by spring of 1944, that the most infamous
concentration camps in the east (excluding Auschwitz) were no longer in
operation with few exceptions.  Auschwitz became, in Piper's words, "a
center for distribution of Jewish labor."  It is also clear, that
according to Krakowski, Jews sent to Auschwitz who were waiting to be
transferred to other concentration camps were not registered.  Therefore
it is safe to say that many Jews, although shown to be deported to
Auschwitz, were never registered until their arrival in the western
camps.

        If we return to the camp system statistics, we find that, taking
the 633,620 unaccounted for inmates of Auschwitz and divide by the
number of months from April 1944 through January 1945  that we arrive at
a total number of 70,402 transferees per month. (633,620 / 9).  Assuming
that 5% of the transferees died enroute to their final destination, that
leaves 601,939 transferees from Auschwitz (633,620 - 31,681).  We find
then, that assuming a total camp population of 280,000 registered in
April of 1944 that a death rate of only 3% will leave us with 709,429 by
the end of January 1945  (280,000 + (633,620 - 31681) - 172,510) [Note:
see Table 1 below].    Remember, according to Dr. Mayer, the camp
population reached 710,000 in January of 1945.

Table 1.
        Start                  Death              Death             End
Month   Pop.       Transfer     Enroute      Total        Rate      Pop.   
Apr     280,000     70,402     3,520          346,882     10,406
336,476
May       336,476     70,402      3,520          403,358     12,101
391,257
Jun         391,257     70,402      3,520          458,139     13,744
444,395
Jul          444,395     70,402      3,520          511,277     15,338
495,939
Aug        495,939     70,402      3,520          562,821     16,885
545,936
Sep         545,936     70,402      3,520          612,818     18,385
594,434  
Oct         594,434     70,402      3,520          661,316     19,839
641,476
Nov     641,476     70,402       3,520         708,359      21,251
687,108
Dec        687,108     70,402       3,520         753,990      22,620
731,370
Jan          731,370                                           731,370
21,941     709,429

Ttl                633,620     31,681                           172,510    


        Thus, returning to the number of registered victims, 185,180
(Reitlinger) to 207,180 (Gutman) we must add the 31,681 approximate for
the number of victims who died enroute to the western camps and would
not otherwise be accounted for.  The balance of the victims, 172,510
would have been registered and accounted for among the death books of
the western camps.  Therefore, the range for the number of victims of
the Auschwitz camps (including Birkenau and Monowitz and other
satellites) would be 216,861 to 238,861.

        Clearly, it is important to remember the statement of Dr. Piper,
"Incomplete source material precludes the possibility of calculating all
the numbers of transfers, releases, and escapes."  Dr. Mayer's words too
should not be underestimated, that "the Jewish ordeal at Auschwitz is
not contingent on the use of gas chambers."  

In conclusion each of the four areas discussed are possible explanations
for the unregistered at Auschwitz.  It is this author's opinion that the
extermination explanation has been wrongfully exaggerated as the only
possible solution regarding the whereabouts of the unregistered.  It
seems much more likely, based on the statistics of the camp system and
the quantitative analysis performed by this author that the unregistered
at Auschwitz were deported or transferred to other camps.  At these
camps, a large number of the transferees died but have long been
accounted for in the traditional literature.  The error of the
traditional statistics is a double counting of these victims, once at
Auschwitz, and once at a camp in the west where the deportee met his or
her final fate.  Clearly, the numbers show that no matter how bad the
concentration camp system was, the large numbers of victims did not die
due to an extermination policy but rather were the victims of disease,
malnutritio!
n, and overwork in a state which was nearing its final collapse.


Notes:


1 Y. Gutman and M. Berenbaum ed., "Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp,"
(Bloomington and Indianapolis, 1994), p. 74. Hereafter this volume will
be referenced as AADC.
2 G. Reitlinger, "The Final Solution," (London, 1987), p. 460.
3 A. Lasik, "Rudolf Hoess: Manager of Crime," AADC; p.296.
4 F. Piper, "The Number of Victims," ; AADC, p. 64.
5 P. Rassinier, "The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses,"  (Costa
Mesa, 1978) p.240.
6 H. Zeiger, ed., "The Case Against Adolf Eichmann," (New York, 1960) p.
117.
7 J.C. Pressac and R. Van Pelt, "The Machinery of Mass Murder at
Auschwitz," p. 213.
8 A. Mayer, p. 396.
9 J. Noakes and G. Pridham, ed., "Nazism 1919-1945: A History in
Documents and Eyewitness Accounts Vol. II,"  (New York, 1988) p. 1155.
10 B. Kulaska, "Did Six Million Really Die?," (Toronto, 1992), p.122.
11 R. Hoess, "Commandant in Auschwitz," (London, 1959), p. 173. 
12 R. Butler, "Legions of Death," (London, 1983), p.237. Also R.
Faurisson, "How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Hoess."
The Journal of Historical Review  Vol VII. No. 4 - Winter 1986-87.
13 F. Piper, "The Number of Victims,"  p. 62.
14 G. Reitlinger, "The Final Solution," (London, 1987), p. 115.
15 Y. Gutman, "Auschwitz - An Overview," ; AADC  p. 6.
16 G. Reitlinger p. 117.
17 F. Piper, "The Number of Victims," ; AADC  p. 61.
18 M. Weber, " Pages From the Auschwitz Death Registry Volumes," The
Journal of Historical Review Vol. XII, No. 3 - Fall 1992 p. 265-66.
19 A. Butz, "Some Thoughts on Pressac's Opus," JHR Vol. XIII, No. 3 -
May/June, 1993. p.26.
20 L. Dawidowicz, "The War Against the Jews 1933-1945," (New York ,1976)
p.199.
21 F. Piper, "The Number of Victims," ;  AADC  p. 71.
22  Ibid. 
23 A. Mayer, p.363.
24 F. Leuchter, "The Leuchter Report." (London, 1989) p. 19.
25 J.C. Pressac and R. Van Pelt, "The Machinery of Mass Murder at
Auschwitz," ; AADC  p.199.
26 R. Van Pelt, "A Site in Search of a Mission," ; AADC p. 142.
27 A. Butz, "Some Thoughts on Pressac's Opus," p.27.
28 R. Van Pelt, p.142.
29 Ibid. , p.144.
30 Ibid., p.148.
31 F. Piper, "The Number of Victims," p. 71.
32 G. Reitlinger, p.460-61.
33 J.C. Pressac, "Les crematoires d'Auschwitz: La machinerie du meurtre
de masse," (Paris, 1993) p.148.
34 A. Mayer, p.362.
35 F. Leuchter, p. 10.
36 J. Sehn, "An Official Polish Report on the Auschwitz "Gas Chambers,"
JHR, Vol. XI, No. 2 - Summer 1991. 
37 W. Lueftl, "The Lueftl Report: An Austrian Engineer's Report on the
"Gas Chambers" of Auschwitz and Mauthausen," JHR Vol. XII, No.4 -
Winter, 1992-93. p.419.
38 A. Mayer, p. 363.
39 A. Mayer, p. 365.
40 A. Mayer, p. 365.
41 J.C. Pressac and  R. Van Pelt, p. 214.
42 Ibid., p.215.
43 A. Mayer, p. 367.
44 J.C. Pressac and R. Van Pelt, p. 215.
45 Ibid. p. 216.
46 NMT, Vol. XIII, pp.210-217, NG-2586-G.
47 S. Krakowski, p.53.
48 F. Piper, "The System of Prisoner Exploitation," ; AADC pp.45-46.
49 Nuremberg document NO-1523; NMT green series, Vol 5, pp.373-373.
Also see G. Reitlinger, "The Final Solution" p. 121.
50 J.Noakes and G. Pridham, ed.,Nazism vol. 2  p. 1163.
51 A. Mayer, "Why did the Heavens not Darken?," (New York, 1990) p. 367.
52 F.Piper, "The Number of Victims," ; AADC  p.71.
53 Ibid., p. 62.
54  S. Krakowski, "The Satellite Camps,"  ; AADC p. 52.
55 G. Reitlinger, p. 460.
56 A. Mayer, p.336.
57 F. Piper, "The System of Prisoner Exploitation," p.39.
58 Ibid., p.47.
59 Ibid.
60 Ibid.
61 A. Mayer, p.375.
62 R. Braham, "Hungarian Jews"; AADC p. 466.
63 Ibid.




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The Diesel Gas Chambers: Myth Within A Myth
by Friedrich Paul Berg 

(Paper presented to the 1983 International Revisionist Conference) 

In any trial of even the most ordinary murder, one can expect an
abundance of information about the murder weapon, including a detailed
description of the weapon and how it was used. Surely, with regard to
murder as novel and as bestially spectacular as the alleged mass-murder
of millions of Jews in gas chambers, one would be given far more
information. Surely, the postwar trials involving those monstrously
amazing gas chambers would provide the most extensive and precise
documentation possible regarding such unconventional murder weapons. But
no, that is not what one finds at all. Although there is a vast
literature, based in part on those trials, including many "eyewitness
accounts" and "documentaries" covering the most diverse aspects of the
holocaust story, nonetheless, as far as the actual mechanics of the
extermination process are concerned, about all one ever finds is an
occasional short and vague description. 

The information gaps regarding the mechanics of the alleged
extermination process should arouse the gravest suspicions. We are after
all no longer in the immediate postwar era, when there would have been
many valid excuses for confusion as to events which may or may not have
taken place in a terrible war which had ended just recently. Almost
forty years have now elapsed. The holocaust specialists have had more
than enough time and opportunity to examine documents and alleged mass-
murder sites as well as the testimony from the most massive trials in
the entire history of the world. Throughout this period they have
certainly been active, and yet they have found little. Aside from a few
bits and pieces of so-called "confessions" and "eyewitness testimony,"
they have, in fact, found next to nothing. 

The information gaps are bad enough; what is far worse is that the bits
and pieces of information which one does find are simply incredible. To
kill people with gas is not inherently incredible since it certainly
does happen, even accidentally. But if one carefully examines the
available information about the German gas chambers from a scientific,
medical or technical perspective, he soon realizes that he is dealing
with an absurd muddle. To characterize the alleged mass-murder
methodology as "harebrained," "crackpot," or simply "weird" is to
understate the situation. The more one examines what little information
there is, the more obvious it becomes that the people who repeat the
holocaust story in one form or other really have no idea as to what they
are talking or writing about. The testimony of the so-called
eyewitnesses is especially weird. The Gerstein statement, which has been
widely accepted by the holocaust specialists, is probably the best
example of such testimony. But the other statements" or "confessions"
are almost as bad or worse. 

The absurdity of the various alleged extermination methods does not in
itself prove that the holocaust did not happen, but it should at least
persuade reasonable people to ask for some other evidence before they
let themselves believe such a monstrous tale. The fact that other
evidence such as documents ordering the killing of Jews with gas, or
hard, physical evidence such as workable gas chambers -- not just
ordinary rooms that have been mislabelled -- is also absent should make
it quite obvious that something is seriously wrong. (fn. 1) 

To concoct horrible, but conveniently vague, eyewitness accounts of
mass-murder is easy. To have such tales accepted about a defeated enemy
nation after a brutal war during which the vast media resources of the
victors had succeeded in portraying the enemy as thoroughly depraved and
wicked is also easy. On the other hand, it is not at all easy to explain
how one could possibly commit mass-murder with Diesel exhaust.
The Exterminationist Position
The table below is from The Destruction of the European Jews by Raul
Hilberg, published in 1961. The table summarizes the views of
practically all the generally accepted, "consensus," writers on the
holocaust story of the last 20 years. The camps listed are the only ones
which Hilberg regarded as having been "extermination" camps. Camps such
as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, and Buchenwald are not included. (fn. 3) 

Table 1: Characteristics of the death camps according to Raul Hilberg
Camp Location Jurisdiction Type of Killing operation Number of Jews
killed Kulmhof Wartheland Higher SS and Police Leader (Koppe) gas vans
(CO) over a hundred thousand Belzec Lublin district SS and Police Leader
(Globocnik) gas chambers (CO) hundreds of thousands Sobibor Lublin
district SS and Police Leader (Globocnik) gas chambers (CO) hundreds of
thousands Lublin Lublin district WVHA gas chamber (CO), shooting tens of
thousands Treblinka Warsaw district SS and Police Leader gas chambers
(CO) hundreds of thousands Auschwitz Upper Silesia WVHA gas chambers
(HCN) one million 

The fourth column from the left shows that in all of the camps except
for Auschwitz, the killing operation supposedly used carbon monoxide or
CO. In Auschwitz the killing operation supposedly used hydrogen cyanide
or HCN. Of the five camps where carbon monoxide was supposedly used, the
vast majority of victims were supposedly killed in just three camps,
namely: Treblinka, Belzec, and Sobibor. It is in those three camps that
the carbon monoxide was supposedly generated by Diesel engines. The
numbers of Jews who were supposedly killed in Kulmhof (Chelmno) or
Lublin (Majdanek) are relatively small compared to the numbers for
Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor. 

On the basis of the generally accepted numbers of victims, one can say
that approximately half of all the Jewish victims of German gas chambers
were supposedly gassed with Diesel exhaust. In other words, the Diesel
gas chambers are as important, at least in terms of the numbers of
alleged victims, as the gas chambers that supposedly used Zyklon B and
hydrogen cyanide. 

For at least several months in 1939 and 1940, Diesel engines had
supposedly been used as part of the euthanasia program to kill Germans
who were feebleminded or incurably ill in Germany, The experience gained
>from  the use of Diesels for euthanasia was supposedly applied later by
some of the same people involved with the euthanasia program, such as
Reichsamtsleiter Viktor Brack and Kriminalkommisar Christian Wirth, to
the killing of Jews in Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor in Eastern Poland.
According to Hilberg, it was Wirth who supposedly constructed the
"carbon monoxide gas chambers" for the euthanasia program on the orders
of Brack, who was "actually in charge of the [euthanasia] operation."
Then in the spring of 1942 Brack ordered Wirth to Lublin where "Wirth
and his crew immediately and under primitive conditions began to
construct chambers into which they piped carbon monoxide from diesel
motors." (fn. 4) 

In the National Broadcasting Corporation's "Holocaust" miniseries for
television, which was essentially a dramatization of the generally
accepted holocaust story, there were several references to the use of
Diesel engines for mass-murder. In one scene, Dr. Bruno Tesch, who in
real life had been a highly qualified chemist and was hanged after the
war by the Allies, (fn. 5) explains to Eric Dorf, a fictional SS officer
administering the extermination program, that one of the advantages of
Zyklon B over carbon monoxide is that Zyklon B "won't clog machinery-and
there's no apparatus to break down, as in carbon monoxide." In another
scene Rudolf Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz, is about to start a
Diesel when Eric Dorf explains to him that he will not need the Diesel
anymore because he has ordered another substance, namely Zyklon B.
The Gerstein Statement
The statement of Kurt Gerstein is still a major cornerstone of the
holocaust legend in general. Gerstein was an Obersturmführer (First
Lieutenant) in the SS and a mine surveyor by profession with a graduate
degree in engineering. When he surrendered to the Americans, he
supposedly gave them a prepared statement dated April 26, 1945 (in
French, oddly enough) written partially on the backs of several receipts
for the delivery of Zyklon B to Auschwitz. Since then he has been
elevated to the status of "righteous gentile" by the Israelis and by
various Jewish writers for having at least tried to alert the world
regarding the Nazi extermination program. 

The text which follows is a portion of the Gerstein statement as given
in the English translation of Harvest of Hate by Leon Poliakov. Aside
>from  a rather brazen "error" on the part of Poliakov, namely the claim
that 700 to 800 bodies were crowded into 93 square meters instead of
only 25 square meters (which is the way the original documents actually
read) it is probably no worse a translation than any of the other
versions which can be found. (fn. 6) 

SS men pushed the men into the chambers. "Fill it up," Wirth ordered,
700-800 people in 93 [sic] square meters. The doors closed. Then I
understood the reason for the "Heckenholt" sign. Heckenholt was the
driver of the Diesel, whose exhaust was to kill these poor unfortunates.
SS Unterscharführer Heckenholt tried to start the motor. It wouldn't
start! Captain Wirth came up. You could see he was afraid because I was
there to see the disaster. Yes, I saw everything and waited. My
stopwatch clocked it all: 50 minutes, 70 minutes, and the Diesel still
would not start! The men were waiting in the gas chambers. You could
hear them weeping "as though in a synagogue," said Professor
Pfannenstiel, his eyes glued to the window in the wooden door. Captain
Wirth, furious, struck with his whip the Ukrainian who helped
Heckenholt- The Diesel started up after 2 hours and 49 minutes, by my
stopwatch. Twenty-five minutes passed. You could see through the window
that many were already dead, for an electric light illuminated the
interior of the room. All were dead after thirty-two minutes! Jewish
workers on the other side opened the wooden doors. They had been
promised their lives in return for doing this horrible work, plus a
small percentage of the money and valuables collected. The men were
still standing, like columns of stone, with no room to fall or lean.
Even in death you could tell the families, all holding hands. It was
difficult to separate them while emptying the room for the next batch.
The bodies were tossed out, blue, wet with sweat and urine, the legs
smeared with excrement and menstrual blood. (fn. 7) 

It was not a peephole through which Prof. Pfannenstiel supposedly looked
into the gas chamber-it was a window. And it was a window in a wooden
door-not a steel, gas-tight door as one might expect. Apparently, there
were wooden doors on two sides of at least one of the gas chambers. We
are told that the intended victims were still alive after almost three
hours in the gas chambers before the Diesel even started. Surely, there
must have been many air leaks into the chambers or else the Jews would
have been asphyxiated without the aid of any Diesel. 

The men were "standing, like columns of stone with no room to fall or
lean. Even in death you could tell the families, all holding hands."
There is no mention anywhere of the intended victims trying to break
out. Surely Prof. Pfannenstiel, with "his eyes glued to the window,"
would have noticed if some of the people on the other side had been
trying to smash through. 8 But no, there is no mention of anything of
the sort. We are, however, told that the victims had enough presence of
mind to form groups of family members and hold hands. 

According to the last sentence of the text quoted, "the bodies were
tossed out blue, wet with sweat and urine." Here we have a flaw as far
as the death-from-carbon-monoxide theory is concerned because victims of
carbon monoxide poisoning are not blue at all. On the contrary, victims
of carbon monoxide poisoning are a distinctive "cherry red," or "pink."
(fn. 9) This is clearly stated in most toxicology handbooks and is
probably well known to every doctor and to most, if not all, emergency
medical personnel. Carbon monoxide poisoning is actually very common
because of the automobile and accounts for more incidents of poison gas
injury than all other gases combined. 

The Gerstein statement, to its credit, makes no claim that carbon
monoxide was the lethal ingredient in the Diesel exhaust. It is the
exterminationists, i.e., the people who try to uphold the holocaust
story, who have repeatedly stated that death was due to the carbon
monoxide in the Diesel exhaust. The recurrence of references to "bluish"
corpses in several examples of so-called, eyewitness testimony" from
West German trials merely demonstrates the "copy-cat" nature of much of
that testimony. That such testimony has been accepted by West German
courts specializing in holocaust-related cases and by the holocaust
scholars, apparently without any serious challenge, merely demonstrates
the pathetic shoddiness of those trials and of the 'scholarship'
pertaining to the subject in general. 

If the corpses had, indeed, appeared "bluish," death certainly would not
have been due to carbon monoxide. A "bluish" appearance could have been
an indication of death from asphyxiation, i.e., lack of oxygen. In this
article we will investigate that possibility and we will see that in any
Diesel gas chamber, although death from lack of oxygen is very unlikely,
it is nonetheless far more likely than death from carbon monoxide. 

According to Leon Poliakov, who is a French-Jewish historian and one of
the few historians anywhere who has actually written at any length in
support of the holocaust story, "there is little to add to this
description [the Gerstein statement] which holds good for Treblinka,
Sobibor as well as for the Belzec camp. The latter installations were
constructed in almost the same way and also used the exhaust carbon
monoxide gases from Diesel motors as death agents." According to
Poliakov, more than a million and a half people were killed with Diesel
exhaust. (fn. 10)
Toxic Effects of Carbon Monoxide
To investigate the Diesel gas chamber claim, two questions one should
ask are: How much carbon monoxide is actually needed to kill a human
being in half an hour? Does Diesel exhaust ever contain that much carbon
monoxide? 

Table 2: Toxic effects of carbon monoxide (fn. 11) Parts of carbon
monoxide per million parts of air Carbon monoxide in per cent
Physiological effects 100 0.01% Concentration allowable for an exposure
of several hours. 400 to 500 0.04%-0.05% Concentration which can be
inhaled for 1 hour without appreciate effect. 600 to 700 0.06%-0.07%
Concentration causing a just appreciable effect after exposure of 1
hour. 1,000 to 1,200 0.10%-0.12% Concentration causing unpleasant but
not dangerous effects after exposure of 1 hour. 1,500 to 2.000 .1 5%-.2%
Dangerous concentrations for exposure of 1 hour. 4,000 and above .4% and
above Concentrations which are fatal in exposure of less than 1 hour. 

Carbon monoxide poisoning has been thoroughly studied since about 1920,
when it was carefully examined in order to determine the ventilation
requirements of tunnels for motor vehicles, particularly for the New
York City metropolitan area in such tunnels as the Holland Tunnel. Since
the early 1940s, it has been widely accepted on the basis of the
research of Yandell Henderson and J.S. Haldane that an average carbon
monoxide concentration of "0.4% and above," as shown on the last fine of
Table 2, is the amount needed to kill people in "less" than one hour of
continuous exposure. (fn. 12) Concentrations of 0.15% to 0.20% are
considered "dangerous," which means they might kill some people in one
hour, especially if those people have, for example, weak hearts. But in
order to commit mass-murder in a gas chamber, one would require a
concentration of poison gas sufficient to kill not merely a "portion" of
any given group of people, but rather, sufficient to kill "all." 

The vagueness introduced by Henderson's use of the term "less" is
unfortunate. It arises from the fact that although Henderson and others
were able to test for non-lethal effects in a laboratory with a high
degree of accuracy -- the lethal effects could not be tested in the same
way. The lethal effects and the corresponding CO levels were determined
on the basis of careful extrapolation of carboxyhemoglobin levels over
time from nonlethal tests on humans and from some lethal tests on
animals. Although the test results for lethal effects are not as precise
as one might wish, they are nonetheless sufficiently accurate to support
some important conclusions about Diesel gas chambers. 
According to the exterminationists, the nasty deed was always done in
less than half an hour. In order to determine how much carbon monoxide
would be needed to kill in only half an hour, instead of a full hour,
one can use the widely accepted rule of thumb known as "Henderson's
Rule," which is: 

% CO x (exposure time) = Constant for any given toxic effect 
In other words, for any given toxic effect, the poisonous concentration
must be inversely proportional to the time of exposure. This means that
to kill in half an hour, one would need twice the concentration that one
would need to kill in a full hour. Applying this rule to the "0.4% and
above" needed to kill in "less than one hour," we get 0.8% and above as
the concentration needed to kill in less than half an hour. (fn. 13) 

Applying the same rule to the 0.15% to 0.20% which is "dangerous" for
one hour of exposure, we get 0.3% to 0.4% as the amount of CO which is
dangerous for half an hour of exposure. 

What all this means is that to have any kind of practical gas chamber
using carbon monoxide as the lethal agent, one would need an average
concentration of at least 0.4% carbon monoxide, but probably closer to
0.8%. We should keep "0.4% to 0.8%" in mind as benchmark numbers to
which we can refer shortly. 

The important consideration is always the "average" concentration over
the entire exposure period and not some quantity of poison measured in
pounds or cubic feet. To try to analyze the problem by determining
actual quantities of CO produced, rather than "concentrations," would be
futile since the little that one is told, in the case of Gerstein's
description, about the actual size of the chamber or chambers is so
incredible to begin with. 

Figure 1 gives the symptoms of various low level carbon monoxide
exposures as a function of time of exposure. The highest CO
concentration which is discussed is 600 ppm (parts per million). 600 ppm
is another way of saying 0.06%. The chart shows that after one hour of
exposure to an average concentration of 600 ppm of GO, one would
experience a headache but not a throbbing headache. Even after 100 hours
of exposure, the worst that one would experience would be a coma but not
death. However, after only half an hour of exposure to 600 ppm, no
symptoms are indicated at all-not even a mild headache. We should keep
"0.06%" in mind as another benchmark number to which we will refer.
The Diesel Engine
It would have been helpful if the holocaust proponents had provided such
data as the engine manufacturer's name or the model number, size and HP
rating of the engines. Although similar information would be considered
essential in the investigation of any ordinary murder, alas, when one is
dealing with holocaust such details are too much to expect. The most
frequent claim seems to have been that the engines were Diesels from
Soviet tanks (most Soviet tanks during the war were Diesel-driven,
including the famous T-34), but it has recently been claimed that at
least one of the engines was from a Soviet submarine. Any submarine
engine would certainly have been a Diesel also. Is In lieu of better
information, one has to investigate the broader and more difficult
question of whether or not any Diesel ever built could possibly have
done the abominable deed. 

If Gerstein had claimed that the carbon monoxide was generated by
gasoline engines, his story might be more credible. Gasoline engines
can, indeed, kill rather easily and with little or no warning because
their exhaust is almost odorless. Although Diesel engines look very much
like gasoline engines, at least to most people, they are actually quite
different. Any mining engineer or mine surveyor should certainly have
been able to easily distinguish between the two types of engines. For
one thing, the sound of Diesels is so distinct that almost anyone can
with a little experience recognize them with his eyes closed. 

Another peculiarity of Diesels is that when in operation they usually
give warning of their presence-their exhaust generally smells terrible.
The intensity of the smell or stench has, no doubt, given rise to the
thoroughly false impression that Diesel exhaust must therefore be very
harmful. 

Although Diesel exhaust is not totally harmless it is, in fact, one of
the least harmful pollutants anywhere except for some possible long
term, carcinogenic effects which are totally irrelevant for the
operation of a gas chamber to commit mass-murder. Diesel emission levels
have always been within the current air emission standards of the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency without requiring any modifications or
accessories. Diesels have always produced less than 1% carbon monoxide
which is the current standard for internal combustion engines. Gasoline
engines have only met the same standard after many years of research and
after the addition of many complex accessories and engine modifications.
The Diesels of the 1930s and 1940s were as clean-burning as, if not more
clean than, Diesels of today. 

Figure 2 compares the carbon monoxide emissions from Diesel and gasoline
engines. Gasoline engines are sometimes called spark ignition engines as
in this figure. Clearly, the logical choice between the two types of
engines as a source of carbon monoxide would always have been the
gasoline engine. From spark ignition or gasoline engines, one can easily
get 7% carbon monoxide, but from Diesel engines one can never get even
as much as I% with liquid fuels. 

Carbon monoxide emissions from internal combustion engines are commonly
plotted as functions of air/fuel ratio or fuel/air ratio. 

Fuel/air ratio is merely the reciprocal of air/fuel ratio. It has
generally been accepted by the auto industry and by environmentalists
that Diesel exhaust-gas composition is related chiefly to these ratios
and not to other factors such as rpm. (fn. 17) 

An air/fuel ratio of 100, for example, means that for every pound of
fuel burned, 100 pounds of air are drawn into the engine. However, only
about 15 pounds of air can ever react in any way chemically with each
pound of fuel regardless of the air/fuel ratio or even the type of
engine. This means that at an air/fuel ratio of 100, there are always
about 85 pounds of air which do not react. These 85 pounds of excess air
are blown out of the engine without undergoing any chemical change at
all. As far as the excess air is concerned, the Diesel engine is nothing
more than an unusual kind of blower or compressor. 

Gasoline engines always operate with a deficiency of air. As a result of
this deficiency, the reaction process in a gasoline engine can never go
to completion, a relatively large proportion of carbon monoxide to
carbon dioxide is always formed. 

Diesels always operate with an excess of air. At idle, Diesels operate
with air/fuel ratios as high as 200:1. At full load, the air/fuel ratio
is only down to 18:1. Because of the abundance of air, there is always
far greater opportunity for the fuel to burn to completion, thereby
causing very little carbon monoxide to be produced as compared with
gasoline engines. Also, what little carbon monoxide is produced in the
cylinders of a Diesel is subsequently diluted by the excess air. 

As soon as one acquires an understanding of the differences between
Diesel and gasoline engines, it becomes obvious that the logical choice
as a source of carbon monoxide would always have been the gasoline
engine. The Diesel engine is, and always was, an inherently ludicrous
choice as a source of carbon monoxide. 

There are basically two types of Diesel engines: divided combustion
chamber engines and undivided combustion chamber engines. 

The divided chamber category of Diesel engines is generally subdivided
into precombustion chamber designs and turbulent cell designs. 

Figure 3 shows a pair of emission curves for Diesels with divided
combustion chambers that were the result of exceptionally careful and
extensive tests made in the early 1940s in the United States by the U.S.
Bureau of Mines to determine whether or not Diesel engines could operate
in underground mines without endangering miners. l) The conclusion of
the- U.S. Bureau of Mines as stated in many reports throughout the
intervening years has always been that Diesels may operate underground
in non-coal mines subject to USBM approval of the engines and the
mechanical arrangements in which the engines are employed. 

The lower curve in Figure 3 is for a precombustion chamber Diesel. The
upper curve is for a turbulent cell Diesel. The lowest fuel/air ratio
always corresponds approximately to idle and also to a no-load
condition. For the pre-combustion chamber Diesel at idle, the carbon
monoxide level is less than 0.0211/o. For the turbulent cell Diesel at
idle, its carbon monoxide level is barely 0.06%. What this means is that
at idle both of these types of Diesels could not produce enough carbon
monoxide to even give a headache after half an hour of continuous
exposure. 

As one starts to impose loads on these engines, thereby, in effect,
increasing the fuel/air ratio's, the carbon monoxide levels actually
decrease at first. Only as one approaches full load, represented by the
solid heavy line in the figure, do the carbon monoxide levels rise
significantly to a maximum of 0.1% at a fuel/air ratio of .055. A CO
concentration of 0.1% is still well below the benchmark range of
numbers, "0.4% to 0.8%." In other words, neither of these engines could
possibly have produced enough carbon monoxide to kill anyone in half an
hour regardless of the loads on the engines.
Diesel Smoke
One characteristic of Diesels is that they tend to smoke. This is not
due to any inherent inefficiency of Diesels. On the contrary, Diesels
are as a rule extremely efficient. The smoke is primarily the result of
the nature of Diesel combustion and the heavier fuels which are used-as
compared with gasoline engines. 

The solid heavy line in Figure 3 represents the smoke limit that
manufacturers have found necessary to protect their engines from
excessive wear due to smoke and solids accumulations within the
cylinders. As a practical matter, a Diesel cannot be operated to the
right of the solid heavy line with liquid fuels. In Figure 3 as well as
in Figure 5, the solid heavy line is at a fuel/air ratio of 0.055. Many
manufacturers are more conservative and limit their engines to fuel/air
ratios below 0.050. 

Diesel engines can operate safely at fuel/air ratios greater than 0.055
only if they are burning a clean gaseous fuel; this is the only way to
avoid the buildup of solid material within the cylinders. The data shown
for fuel/air ratios above 0.055 were only gathered because the
researchers at the U.S. Bureau of Mines chose to test the engines for
theoretical reasons with gaseous fuel far beyond the normal, full load
settings of the respective engines. 

The data for clean gaseous fuel is irrelevant to our analysis because if
the Germans had had a gaseous fuel for the Diesel, they could have sent
that gas directly to the gas chamber. To have used a Diesel engine as
some kind of intermediate step would have made no sense at all. Such an
arrangement could only have made the gas far less toxic. Since carbon
monoxide is highly combustible, any carbon monoxide going into the
Diesel would have been largely consumed within the engine. 

Diesel smoke contains a liquid phase and a solid phase. The liquid phase
generally gets blown out of the engine with the exhaust and, therefore,
does no harm to the engine. But if enough solid material is also
produced, and rapidly enough, some of that material will accumulate in
the cylinders where in just a few minutes it can severely damage the
piston rings and valves and cause the engine to simply self-destruct and
stop. As the graph shows, the amount of solids produced by the engines
increases dramatically just beyond a fuel/air ratio of 0.055. For this
reason, manufacturers as a rule equip the fuel injection pumps with
stops so that the engines can only operate below 0.055 or 0.050. 
Operating any Diesel under any substantial load, regardless of the
particular design or engine type, would have led to the production of
significant amounts of smoke. Smoke is generally also noticeable
immediately after start-up, even at idle or under light load, when the
engine has not yet had time to reach its normal operating temperature.
It should be no great surprise that there is no mention of any smoke
>from  the Diesel-black, white, dense or otherwise-anywhere in the
Gerstein statement or in any of the postwar trial testimony.
Undivided Chamber Diesels
Figure 5 shows that an undivided chamber Diesel still produces only
about 0.03% carbon monoxide at idle, which is not enough to cause a
headache after half an hour of exposure. However, as increasing loads
are imposed on such an engine, the carbon monoxide levels do eventually
rise rather sharply, and at full load, represented by the heavy vertical
line, the carbon monoxide level is indeed about 0.4%. In other words,
here we have a Diesel which looks as if it could have been used to
commit mass-murder in half an hour. 

The problem for this engine, and for au Diesels, is that to operate at
full load continuously for long periods, such as half an hour at a time,
would involve severe risks of fouling and damage from accumulated solids
inside the cylinders. If operating at lower and safer fuel/air ratios
than 0.055, which would also be lower loads, the carbon monoxide
emission levels drop very dramatically. For example, at 80% of full -
load, which is generally regarded as a safe maximum for continuous
operation and which occurs at a fuel/air ratio of about 0.045, the
carbon monoxide level is only 0.13%. According to Henderson's rule and
index figures and some simple calculation, 0.13% carbon monoxide would
not even be "dangerous" for half an hour of exposure. 

That Figure 3 and Figure 5 are indeed typical of all Diesel engines over
the last fifty years is attested to by the fact that these particular
curves have been referred to and are still being referred to in
countless journals and books on Diesel emissions to this very day. In
other words, there are no better examples of Diesel emissions. To be
sure, there are many other test results which one can find in reputable
automotive journals such as the Society of Automotive Engineers
Transactions. But if one takes the trouble to look through the SAE
Transactions of the last forty years, as well as through other journals,
he will not find any examples of worse carbon monoxide emissions than
Figure 5. Our analysis of Figure 5 represents the worst case that can be
found anywhere for any Diesel engine.
Engine Loading
Aside from the smoke problem, merely to impose a full load on any engine
is far from easy. For example, if one has a truck, a full load can be
imposed on the engine by first filling the truck with a heavy cargo and
then racing the vehicle up a steep hill at maximum speed with the
accelerator to the floor. Under that condition one would probably be
putting out about 0.40/o from the exhaust pipe if the truck's engine
were an undivided chamber Diesel. However, if the truck is parked in a
driveway, it is far more difficult to impose a full load on the engine.
Simply "racing" the engine with the transmission in neutral" will put no
more than a few per cent of load on the engine. Letting the clutch slip
and stepping on the accelerator may impose a somewhat greater load on
the engine but the clutch will rapidly burn out, jacking up the rear end
of the vehicle and applying the brakes while racing the engine will
impose a somewhat greater load but the brake linings will rapidly burn
out. 

The only way to realistically impose a significant load on any engine is
by attaching to the engine some kind of brake dynamometer or other
loading device, such as a generator with an electrical load. 

Brake dynamometers could have been available and the Germans must have
had many, but they are hardly the kind of equipment that one finds in
the typical auto repair shop. They are generally only available in well-
equipped engineering testing laboratories. They cost much more than the
engines to which they are attached, since they are not mass-produced.


A generator arrangement seems more plausible since places such as
Treblinka and Belzec would have needed electricity, even if only to keep
the barbed wire charged and the lights burning. However, such an
arrangement suggests a continuous operation of both the generator and
the Diesel which is contrary to the Gerstein statement. According to
that statement, the engine was unable even to start for almost three
hours prior to the actual gassing. There is nothing in the statement to
even remotely suggest that the engine served any other purpose than to
kill Jews. If it had had a dual purpose, for example, to also drive a
generator, one could have expected some comment about the lights going
on as the Diesel started-but there is nothing of the sort.
Aldehydes, Nitrous Oxides and Hydrocarbons
There are other pollutants in Diesel exhaust besides carbon monoxide.
These are aldehydes, nitrous oxides, and hydrocarbons, which are indeed
harmful. The smell or stench for which Diesels are notorious is not
caused by carbon monoxide-carbon monoxide is completely odorless. The
smell is caused by trace amounts of certain hydrocarbons and aldehydes
which the most modern analytical instruments can just barely identify,
let alone measure. The sensitivity of the human nose to these compounds
is, however, extremely high and out of all proportion to the actual
quantities present. 

Nitrous oxides can form nitric acid by reacting with the moisture in the
lungs which can, in turn, cause cancer after many months of exposure.
One of the nitrous oxides formed by Diesels is tear gas, which is
extremely irritating. The possible carcinogenic and mutagenic effects of
nitrous oxides and certain other ingredients in Diesel exhaust may
become the basis for special emission standards for Diesels in the not
too distant future. All these effects are, however, long-term and
totally irrelevant for mass-murder in a gas chamber. 

Although Diesel exhaust is relatively harmless, inhaling it is not a
pleasant experience. If Diesel exhaust were introduced into a large
meeting room, it would not take very long before everyone present would
feel driven by an overwhelming desire to get out, regardless of how safe
he or she were convinced the exhaust really was. And yet, the Gerstein-
statement makes no mention of any attempt to break out of the gas
chamber or even to break the "window." We are told rather that the
victims formed family groups and held hands.
Oxygen in Diesel Exhaust
If the Jews were not murdered with carbon monoxide from Diesel exhaust,
could they have died instead from the effects of reduced oxygen in
Diesel exhaust? Such a theory would at least be consistent with the
claim that the corpses were "blue." A bluish coloring to certain parts
of a corpse is indeed a symptom of death from lack of oxygen. This
theory, however, does not hold up very well because of the fact that
Diesels always operate with excess air. 

Normal air contains 21% oxygen. In Figure 6 we see that the oxygen
concentration corresponding to idle in the exhaust of any Diesel
(divided or undivided chamber), shown near the top of the chart at a
fuel/air ratio of 0.01, is 18%, which is just a few per cent less than
one finds in normal air. At full load, which corresponds to a fuel/air
ratio of 0.055, the oxygen concentration in the exhaust of any Diesel is
4%. 

Probably the best discussion of the effects of reduced oxygen levels or
asphyxia is provided by Henderson and Haggard: 

Second Stage. When the oxygen is diminished to values between 14 and 10
per cent the higher values of the brain are affected. Consciousness
continues, but judgement becomes faulty. Severe injuries, such as burns,
bruises and even broken bones, may cause no pain. Emotions, particularly
ill temper and pugnacity, and less often hilarity, or an alteration of
moods, are aroused with abnormal readiness ... 

Third Stage. When the oxygen is diminished to values between 10 and 6
per cent, nausea and vomiting may appear. The subject loses the ability
to perform any vigorous muscular movements, or even to move at all.
Bewilderment and loss of consciousness follow, either with fainting or a
rigid, glassy-eyed coma. If revived, the subject may have no
recollection of this state, or an entirely erroneous belief as to what
has happened. Up to this stage, or even in it, he may be wholly unaware
that anything is wrong ... 

Fourth Stage. When the oxygen is diminished below 6 per cent,
respiration consists of gasps separated by apneas of increasing
duration. Convulsive movements may occur. Then the breathing stops, but
the heart may continue to beat for a few minutes and then develop
ventricular fibrillation, or stand still in extreme dilation. (fn. 23) 

According to Haidane and Priestley, "air containing less than 9.5 per
cent of oxygen would ordinarily cause disablement within half an hour."
(fn. 24) Disablement is still not death. 

It is clear that there is no magic number below which death would occur,
or above which life would continue. However, for any gas chamber relying
upon reduced oxygen as the killing method, one would have to reduce the
oxygen to below 9.5% perhaps even below 6%. 

>From  Figure 6 we see that to reduce the oxygen concentration in the
exhaust to just 9%, any Diesel would have to operate at a fuel/air ratio
of about 0.040, which corresponds to about 3/4 of full load. To reduce
the oxygen concentration to as low as 6%, which would be the fourth
stage according to Henderson and Haggard and would almost certainly be
the condition needed to kill "all" members of any intended group of
victims, any Diesel would have to operate at a fuel/air ratio of about
0.048, which is close to full load. In other words, any Diesel gas
chamber relying on the reduction of oxygen as a killing method would
have to operate at more than 3/4 of full load, but probably closer to
full load. 

>From  the above it should be obvious that over most of their operating
ranges, Diesels discharge sufficient oxygen so that one can literally
inhale pure Diesel exhaust and survive on the oxygen in the exhaust.
>From  idle to at least 3/4 of full load, Diesel exhaust contains
sufficient oxygen to sustain human life for at least half an hour.
Carbon Dioxide
If the Jews were not killed with carbon monoxide or from a lack of
oxygen, could they have died instead from the effects of carbon dioxide? 

Carbon dioxide is not really any more poisonous than ordinary water.
Most toxicology handbooks do not even mention it. When mentioned at all,
it is generally classified as a "non-toxic, simple asphyxiant." There
are occasional accidental fatalities where carbon dioxide is directly
involved. Death in almost all such cases is caused by a lack of oxygen.
The lack of oxygen is caused by the fact that the carbon dioxide is much
heavier than oxygen and will, especially in an enclosed space, displace
oxygen in the same way that water will displace air in the lungs of a
drowning man. The cause of death, chemically, in both situations is not
carbon dioxide but rather the lack of oxygen in the blood. One symptom
of this kind of death is a bluish appearance of the skin. 

Carbon dioxide can be beneficial and therapeutic. 2-5 It is commonly
used in clinical medicine as a harmless stimulant for respiration, for
which purpose it is supplied under pressure in cylinders (Carbogen)
containing oxygen and 7% carbon dioxide. (fn. 26) Normally, when a
person exhales, the air leaving the lungs contains about 5.5% carbon
dioxide. 

Levels of 3% carbon dioxide are quite tolerable for exposures lasting
several days. For example, in the 1950s the U.S. Navy experimented with
gas mixtures containing 3% carbon dioxide and 15% oxygen, i.e., 25% less
oxygen than in normal air, for use in American submarines with exposures
lasting up to several weeks. (fn. 27) 

For Diesel engines, the carbon dioxide level at or near idle is only
about 2% and gradually increases to about 12% at full load as shown in
Figure 6. A carbon dioxide level of 12% may cause cardiac irregularity
and may, therefore, be dangerous for people with weak hearts. Gasoline
engines, in contrast to Diesels, produce 12% already at idle. In
general, if enough oxygen is available, a carbon dioxide level even as
high as 12% is not likely to cause death. However, when the carbon
dioxide level is this high in Diesel exhaust, the corresponding oxygen
level is dangerously low. 

The principal danger to life from Diesel exhaust arises not from the
abundance of carbon dioxide, nor even from carbon monoxide, but rather
>from  the lack of oxygen.
Diesel Gas Chamber Operation
If the exhaust pipe from a Diesel engine is connected to a gas chamber,
the carbon monoxide concentration will initially be extremely low and
the oxygen level will initially be high. (Since the doors of a gas
chamber must be opened to allow the intended victims to enter, fresh air
must enter the chamber also.) As soon as the Diesel starts and as more
and more Diesel exhaust is introduced into the chamber, the carbon
monoxide concentration will gradually rise to the level directly inside
the exhaust pipe of the Diesel engine without ever being able to exceed
that level. Exactly how long it would take before the oxygen and carbon
monoxide levels in the gas chamber equal the levels in the engine
exhaust pipe is impossible to determine in the case of the Gerstein
account because the information about the engine and gas chamber is so
limited. 

To got a better idea as to how effective-or ineffective-a Diesel gas
chamber such as that described by Gerstein might have been in practice,
we can analyze the problem by dividing the half-hour into two periods: a
period of "rising CO concentration" followed by a period of "constant CO
concentration." Since we do not know the size or rpm of the engine, or
the size of the chamber, or the amount of leakage into or out of the
chamber, we cannot possibly determine the actual duration of each of
these two periods. Nonetheless, we do know that when they are added
together, the sum must equal half an hour. 

For the "constant period," the deadliest arrangement would use an
undivided chamber Diesel which could give a carbon monoxide
concentration as high as 0.4%. 

For the "rising" period, the carbon monoxide concentration would be near
zero initially and no more than 0.4% at the end. When we average these
two numbers together, we get a maximum, average concentration for the
"rising" period of 0.2% assuming a steady rise in carbon monoxide. 

The combined average over the entire half-hour cannot be determined
precisely because we simply do not know the duration of the "rising" and
"constant" periods respectively. But we can be sure that it would always
be some number less than 0.4%. If the "rising" period had only been of
short duration, the combined average for half an hour would be only
slightly less than 0.4%. 

If the "rising" period had been longer, the combined average would be
lower. 

If the "rising" and "constant" periods had each lasted for fifteen
minutes, the combined average concentration for the entire half hour
would be less than 0.3%. According to our previous analysis of toxic
effects, 0.3% of CO (for half an hour) is only "dangerous" which means
that it could have killed no more than a portion of any group of
intended victims. 

Without knowing the type and size of the engine, and the amount of
leakage into the gas chamber, we cannot possibly determine the exact
carbon monoxide concentration in the gas chamber. We do know, however,
that the average would always be less than 0.4%. It would always be less
than the benchmark number which was established previously as the
minimum amount required in the Gerstein-Diesel gas chamber. In other
words, the carbon monoxide from any Diesel ever built would by itself
never have been able to kill more than a portion of any group of
intended victims even if the Diesel were of the undivided chamber design
and even if it were operated at full load. 

A similar analysis of the effects of reduced oxygen would show that one
would have had to operate any Diesel ever built at some indeterminate
level above 3/4 of full load before the arrangement could have been even
marginally lethal due to lack of oxygen. 

An analysis of the combined effects of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide
and reduced oxygen might be possible on the basis of the research of
Haldane and Henderson, but it would not give any significantly different
results than what has already been concluded on the basis of reduced
oxygen acting alone. The reason is that the carbon monoxide and carbon
dioxide levels are just too low to make much difference. 

In any event, any Diesel ever built would have had to operate at a
minimum of 1/4 of full load in order for the Diesel gas chamber to have
been even marginally effective from any possible combination of toxic
effects.
Noise and vibration
In addition to their smoke and smell, Diesel engines are also notorious
for their intense noise and vibration. Because of their higher
compression ratios, lower rpm's, and the type of combustion, the amount
of vibration that Diesels produce is substantially greater than that of
any comparably sized gasoline engines. The noise and vibration are among
the major reasons why Diesels have not generally been used in
automobiles. 

If the 12 cylinder, V-type Diesel engine from a typical Soviet T-34 tank
with a rated capacity of 500 HP had been mounted on the floor of a small
building and had been operated for half an hour at more than 3/4 of full
load, i.e., at more than 375 HP, the noise and vibration would have been
at least as noteworthy and as wildly spectacular as the wailing of any
Jews-and yet, there is no mention of any such noise or vibration in the
Gerstein statement or in any of the postwar trial testimony.
Diesels for Mass-Murder?
Without some understanding of the basic characteristics of Diesel
engines, the method that would have come to mind most readily for any
would-be mass-murder would have been to simply mount a Diesel on the
floor of a building and direct the exhaust into some adjoining rooms
without any provision for artificial load on the engine. Such an
arrangement would have annoyed the hell out of any group of intended
victims, but would have given them nothing worse than a headache. The
headache would have been due to the stench and smoke and noise but
certainly not to carbon monoxide or lack of oxygen. As a method for
committing mass-murder, it would have been a fiasco. 

For any Diesel arrangement to have been even marginally effective for
mass-murder would have required an exceptionally well-informed
collection of individuals to know and do all that was necessary. They
would have had to be familiar with the carbon monoxide and oxygen
emission curves for their particular engine. Such information is
probably not known even today by most engineers, despite all the popular
concern over air pollution. The gas chamber designers would also have
had to know how to impose and maintain an engine load of more than 3/4
of full load on their engine since anything less would just not have
been enough. If they had overloaded the engine or operated it for too
long at or near full load (more than 80% of full load is generally
considered unsafe for continuous operation), they might after each
gassing have had to overhaul and, perhaps, replace the engine because of
fouling and damage from engine smoke. Merely to gather and properly
assemble the appropriate equipment, including the equipment for imposing
and controlling an artificial load, would have been a major undertaking
which would have required the expertise of experienced engineers, not
just ordinary auto mechanics. The mounting of the engine on the floor of
the building would have required a proper foundation with some provision
to isolate vibrations so as to avoid tearing the building apart. 

The all-important question is: if any persons had been smart enough and
resourceful enough to know and do all that was necessary to make a
workable Diesel gas chamber, why would they have bothered to try to use
a Diesel engine in the first place? For all their efforts they would
have had a gas chamber which at the very worst would still have been
only marginally effective at its morbid task. For all their efforts they
would have had an average concentration of less than 0.4% carbon
monoxide and more than 4% oxygen. Any common, ordinary gasoline engine
without any special attachments would easily have given them ten times
as much carbon monoxide at idle as any comparably sized Diesel at full
load. Any common, ordinary gasoline engine would easily have given them
7% carbon monoxide and less than 1% oxygen. If one had tampered with the
carburetor, one could probably have had as much as 12% carbon monoxide
by merely turning one small screw, namely the idle-mixture adjustment
screw. 

Comparing the two types of engines, with both operating at idle or under
light load, the difference is even more dramatic. At idle or under light
load any common, ordinary gasoline engine without any special
attachments would easily have given more than one hundred times as much
carbon monoxide as any comparably sized Diesel. 

The Diesel gas chamber story is incredible on these grounds alone.
However, the story becomes even more incredible when one discovers that
far better sources of carbon monoxide, better even than gasoline
engines, were readily available to the Germans. Those other sources did
not require either Diesel fuel or gasoline.
The Gaswagons
During World War II all European countries relied for most of their non-
military vehicular transport needs upon vehicles which burned neither
gasoline nor oil, but burned solid fuels such as wood, charcoal, or coal
instead. The solid fuel, which was generally wood, was first converted
into a mixture of combustible gases by burning in a generator, usually
mounted at the rear of the vehicle. The gases were then withdrawn from
the generator and burned in a modified gasoline or Diesel engine located
at the front of the vehicle. The combustible gas produced in this way
always contained between 18% and 35% carbon monoxide. 

In English-speaking countries, these vehicles were generally called
"producer gas vehicles." However, they could just as appropriately have
been called "poison gas vehicles" because that is precisely what they
were-the gas which they produced was extremely poisonous. The operation
of these vehicles required special safety procedures as well as special
government approved training and licensing of the many thousands of
drivers who drove these vehicles daily throughout most of the war in
German-occupied Europe. (fn. 29) 

In German-speaking parts of Europe, the producer gas vehicles were
called "Gaswagen." If they burned wood, which most of them did, they
were generally called "Holzgaswagen," which literally translated means
"wood gas wagons." The abundance of the gaswagons throughout German-
occupied Europe and the intensity with which the Germans were developing
ever newer vehicles and applications of the producer gas technology is a
fact which undermines the holocaust story in general. Had the Germans
ever intended to commit moss-murder with carbon monoxide, they certainly
would have employed the producer gas technology long before they would
have ever used anything as idiotic as Diesel exhaust. Surely, Eichmann
and the other "transportation experts" involved with the "final solution
of the Jewish problem," which was to a great extent a transportation
problem, would have been well aware of these vehicles and of their
unique features. Surely, they would have used the "gaswagons" to kill
the Jews had there ever been any intent to kill the Jews with poison
gas. 

The gaswagons are not the "gas vans" which were allegedly used for mass-
murder in Chelmno, and by the Einsatzgruppen in Russia, despite the fact
that the terminology is identical in German. 

The murderous "gas vans" were, as can be seen in all of the "evidence"
pertaining to the gas van story, conventional trucks which supposedly
used "only" the exhaust of the engines as the killing agent. The basis
of the "gas van" story is a strange document known as "PS-501" which is,
in my opinion, a forgery based on an innocuous letter from SS
Untersturmführer (First Lieutenant) Becker to SS Obersturmbannführer
(Lieutenant Colonel) Walter Rauff, discussing some of the many problems
that must have occurred with gaswagons. (fn. 30) The letter was
apparently rewritten and the text partially changed so as to give it a
sinister meaning. A thorough analysis of the gaswagons and PS-501 is,
however, beyond the scope of this article. (fn. 31) 

The gaswagons, which would have been far superior for mass murder to any
conventionally powered vehicles, including the "gas vans," traveled on
all the roads of Europe and into and from the concentration camps daily.
And yet, these potentially perfect mass-murder devices have never been
implicated by the promoters of the holocaust story in even a single
murder! 

The gas van story is merely an adaptation by the holocaust propagandists
of some documentary materials related to the perfectly innocent use of
producer gas vehicles, supported of course by appropriate "eyewitness"
testimony generated after the war. It is within the gas van story that
one clearly sees in miniature the evolutionary process of the larger,
general holocaust story.
Coal Gasification
In addition to the producer gas technology, the Germans had the world's
most advanced coal gasification technology. (fn. 32) One of the first
steps in most of the coal gasification processes was to produce carbon
monoxide from coal. The carbon monoxide could then be used either as a
fuel or as an intermediate step in the synthesis of other products. 

Because of Germany's isolation from adequate sources of petroleum and
natural rubber, she had converted much of her industry already during
World War I to use coal as a substitute source of hydrocarbons for
making synthetic liquid fuels as well as a vast assortment of chemical
substances, including synthetic rubber. The quantities of carbon
monoxide that were produced as part of this technology measured in the
millions of tons and would have been more than enough to kill the entire
population of Europe many times over. 

Coal gasification plants were located in all of Germany's industrial
areas. One region containing several such plants was Silesia, where the
abundance of coal had for more than a century been the basis of that
region's industry. One Silesian facility was the I.G. Farben plant at
Auschwitz, a small portion of whose 

carbon monoxide could easily have been diverted through a small pipeline
to Auschwitz-Birkenau only a few miles away. Of course, no one alleges
that carbon monoxide was ever used for mass-murder at Auschwitz although
that would have been an ideal place for it. For mass-murder at
Auschwitz, the Germans supposedly used a completely different substance,
Zyklon B.
Conclusion
Although it would be most convenient for the revisionist camp in the
holocaust controversy to be able to say that mass-murder could not
possibly have been committed with Diesel exhaust in half an hour, that
simply cannot be said with total accuracy. It must be conceded that it
would have been remotely possible to commit the deeds in question with
Diesels. However, it would certainly have required an inordinate amount
of expertise and determination and, for all their efforts, the would-be
murderers would have had an arrangement which at best (worst?) would
still have been only marginally effective at its morbid task. From a
practical perspective the whole idea of perfecting a Diesel arrangement
for such a purpose would have been contrary to all common sense. 

One is sometimes told in the Holocaust literature that the reason the
Germans used gas chambers to murder the Jews was to avoid the emotional
strain on soldiers who would have otherwise had to kill the Jews by
shooting them by the thousands. It is suggested that the gas chamber
method was more efficient somehow. No doubt, an efficient killing method
could have been developed- but not with Diesel exhaust. From au the
evidence we have seen regarding Diesel exhaust and its effects, a more
hideously clumsy, and inefficient, method of committing mass-murder
would be hard to imagine. Although it is conceivable that some deranged
minds may have tried for a time to commit murder with Diesel exhaust,
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Bergen-Belsen Camp: The suppressed story
by Mark Weber 

Fifty years ago, on April 15, 1945, British troops liberated the Bergen-
Belsen concentration camp. The anniversary was widely remembered in
official ceremonies and in newspaper articles that, as the following
essay shows, distort the camp's true history. 

Largely because of the circumstances of its liberation, the relatively
unimportant German concentration camp of Bergen-Belsen has become --
along with Dachau and Buchenwald -- an international symbol of German
barbarism. 

The British troops who liberated the Belsen camp three weeks before the
end of the war were shocked and disgusted by the many unburied corpses
and dying inmates they found there. Horrific photos and films of the
camp's emaciated corpses and mortally sick inmates were quickly
circulated around the globe. Within weeks the British military
occupation newspaper proclaimed: "The story of that greatest of all
exhibitions of 'man's inhumanity to man' which was Belsen Concentration
Camp is known throughout the world." (note 1) 

Ghastly images recorded by Allied photographers at Belsen in mid-April
1945 and widely reproduced ever since have greatly contributed to the
camp's reputation as a notorious extermination center. In fact, the dead
of Bergen-Belsen were, above all, unfortunate victims of war and its
turmoil, not deliberate policy. It can even be argued that they were as
much victims of Allied as of German measures. 

The Bergen-Belsen camp was located near Hannover in northwestern Germany
on the site of a former army camp for wounded prisoners of war. In 1943
it was established as an internment camp (Aufenthaltslager) for European
Jews who were to be exchanged for German citizens held by the Allies. 

More than 9,000 Jews with citizenship papers or passports from Latin
American countries, entry visas for Palestine, or other documents making
them eligible for emigration, arrived in late 1943 and 1944 from Poland,
France, Holland and other parts of Europe. During the final months of
the war, several groups of these "exchange Jews" were transported from
Axis-occupied Europe. German authorities transferred several hundred to
neutral Switzerland, and at least one group of 222 Jewish detainees was
transferred from Belsen (by way of neutral Turkey) to British-controlled
Palestine. (note 2) 

Until late 1944 conditions were generally better than in other
concentration camps. Marika Frank Abrams, a Jewish woman from Hungary,
was transferred from Auschwitz in 1944. Years later she recalled her
arrival at Belsen: "... We were each given two blankets and a dish.
There was running water and latrines. We were given food that was edible
and didn't have to stand for hours to be counted. The conditions were so
superior to Auschwitz we felt we were practically in a sanitarium."
(note 3) 

Inmates normally received three meals a day. Coffee and bread were
served in the morning and evening, with cheese and sausage as available.
The main mid-day meal consisted of one liter of vegetable stew. Families
lived together. Otherwise, men and women were housed in separate
barracks. (note 4) 

Children were also held there. There were some 500 Jewish children in
Belsen's "No. 1 Women's Camp" section when British forces arrived. (note
5) 

During the final months of the war, tens of thousands of Jews were
evacuated to Belsen from Auschwitz and other eastern camps threatened by
the advancing Soviets. Belsen became severely overcrowded as the number
of inmates increased from 15,000 in December 1944 to 42,000 at the
beginning of March 1945, and more than 50,000 a month later. (note 6) 

Many of these Jewish prisoners had chosen to be evacuated westwards with
their German captors rather than remain in eastern camps to await
liberation by Soviet forces. (note 7) 

So catastrophic had conditions become during the final months of the war
that about a third of the prisoners evacuated to Belsen in February and
March 1945 perished during the journey and were dead on arrival. (note
8) 

As order broke down across Europe during those chaotic final months,
regular deliveries of food and medicine to the camp stopped. Foraging
trucks were sent to scrounge up whatever supplies of bread, potatoes and
turnips were available in nearby towns. (note 9)

Epidemic
Disease was kept under control by routinely disinfecting all new
arrivals. But in early February 1945 a large transport of Hungarian Jews
was admitted while the disinfection facility was out of order. As a
result, typhus broke out and quickly spread beyond control. (note 10) 

Commandant Josef Kramer quarantined the camp in an effort to save lives,
but SS camp administration headquarters in Berlin insisted that Belsen
be kept open to receive still more Jewish evacuees arriving from the
East. The death rate soon rose to 400 a day. (note 11) 

The worst killer was typhus, but typhoid fever and dysentery also
claimed many lives. Aggravating the situation was a policy during the
final months of transferring already sick inmates from other camps to
Belsen, which was then officially designated a sick or convalescence
camp (Krankenlager). The sick women of Auschwitz, for example, were
transferred to Belsen in three groups in November-December 1944. (note
12) 

When SS chief Heinrich Himmler learned of the typhus outbreak at Bergen-
Belsen, he immediately issued an order to all appropriate officials
requiring that "all medical means necessary to combat the epidemic
should be employed ... There can be no question of skimping either with
doctors or medical supplies." However, the general breakdown of order
that prevailed on Germany by this time made it impossible to implement
the command. (note 13)

'Belsen Worst'
Violette Fintz, a Jewish woman who had been deported from the island of
Rhodes to Auschwitz in mid-1944, and then to Dachau and, finally, in
early 1945, to Belsen, later compared conditions in the different camps:
(note 14)
Belsen was in the beginning bearable and we had bunks to sleep on, and a
small ration of soup and bread. But as the camp got fuller, our group
and many others were given a barracks to hold about seven hundred lying
on the floor without blankets and without food or anything. It was a
pitiful scene as the camp was attacked by lice and most of the people
had typhus and cholera ... Many people talk about Auschwitz -- it was a
horrible camp. But Belsen, no words can describe it ... From my
experience and suffering, Belsen was the worst. 
Belsen's most famous inmate was doubtless Anne Frank, who had been
evacuated from Auschwitz in late October 1994. She succumbed to typhus
in March 1945, three or four weeks before liberation.

Kramer Reports a 'Catastrophe'
In a March 1, 1945, letter to Gruppenführer (General) Richard Glücks,
head of the SS camp administration agency, Commandant Kramer reported in
detail on the catastrophic situation in the Bergen-Belsen, and pleaded
for help: (note 15)
If I had sufficient sleeping accommodation at my disposal, then the
accommodation of the detainees who have already arrived and of those
still to come would appear more possible. In addition to this question a
spotted fever and typhus epidemic has now begun, which increases in
extent every day. The daily mortality rate, which was still in the
region of 60-70 at the beginning of February, has in the meantime
attained a daily average of 250-300 and will increase still further in
view of the conditions which at present prevail. 

Supply. When I took over the camp, winter supplies for 1500 internees
had been indented for; some had been received, but the greater part had
not been delivered. This failure was due not only to difficulties of
transport, but also to the fact that practically nothing is available in
this area and all must be brought from outside the area ... 

For the last four days there has been no delivery [of food] from
Hannover owing to interrupted communications, and I shall be compelled,
if this state of affairs prevails till the end of the week, to fetch
bread also by means of truck from Hannover. The trucks allotted to the
local unit are in no way adequate for this work, and I am compelled to
ask for at least three to four trucks and five to six trailers. When I
once have here a means of towing then I can send out the trailers into
the surrounding area ... The supply question must, without fail, be
cleared up in the next few days. I ask you, Gruppenführer, for an
allocation of transport ... 

State of Health. The incidence of disease is very high here in
proportion to the number of detainees. When you interviewed me on Dec.
1, 1944, at Oranienburg, you told me that Bergen-Belsen was to serve as
a sick camp for all concentration camps in north Germany. The number of
sick has greatly increased, particularly on account of the transports of
detainees that have arrived from the East in recent times -- these
transports have sometimes spent eight or fourteen days in open trucks
... 

The fight against spotted fever is made extremely difficult by the lack
of means of disinfection. Due to constant use, the hot-air delousing
machine is now in bad working order and sometimes fails for several days
... 

A catastrophe is taking place for which no one wishes to assume
responsibility ... Gruppenführer, I can assure you that from this end
everything will be done to overcome the present crisis ... 

I am now asking you for your assistance as it lies in your power. In
addition to the above-mentioned points I need here, before everything,
accommodation facilities, beds, blankets, eating utensils -- all for
about 20,000 internees ... I implore your help in overcoming this
situation. 
Under such terrible conditions, Kramer did everything in his power to
reduce suffering and prevent death among the inmates, even appealing to
the hard-pressed German army. "I don't know what else to do," he told
high-ranking army officers. "I have reached the limit. Masses of people
are dying. The drinking water supply has broken down. A trainload of
food was destroyed by low-flying [Allied] war planes. Something must be
done immediately." (note 16) 

Working together with both Commandant Kramer and chief inmate
representative Kuestermeier, Colonel Hanns Schmidt responded by
arranging for the local volunteer fire department to provide water. He
also saw to it that food supplies were brought to the camp from
abandoned rail cars. Schmidt later recalled that Kramer "did not at all
impress one as a criminal type. He acted like an upright and rather
honorable man. Neither did he strike me as someone with a guilty
conscience. He worked with great dedication to improve conditions in the
camp. For example, he rounded up horse drawn vehicles to bring food to
the camp from rail cars that had been shot up." (note 17) 

"I was swamped," Kramer later explained to incredulous British military
interrogators: (note 18)
The camp was not really inefficient before you [British and American
forces] crossed the Rhine. There was running water, regular meals of a
kind -- I had to accept what food I was given for the camp and
distribute it the best way I could. But then they suddenly began to send
me trainloads of new prisoners from all over Germany. It was impossible
to cope with them. I appealed for more staff, more food. I was told that
this was impossible. I had to carry on with what I had. 

Then as a last straw the Allies bombed the electric plant that pumped
our water. Loads of food were unable to reach the camp because of the
Allied fighters. Then things really got out of hand. During the last six
weeks I have been helpless. I did not even have sufficient staff to bury
the dead, let alone segregate the sick ... I tried to get medicines and
food for the prisoners and I failed. I was swamped. I may have been
hated, but I was doing my duty. 
Kramer's clear conscience is also suggested by the fact that he made no
effort to save his life by fleeing, but instead calmly awaited the
approaching British forces, naively confident of decent treatment. "When
Belsen Camp was eventually taken over by the Allies," he later stated,
"I was quite satisfied that I had done all I possibly could under the
circumstances to remedy the conditions in the camp." (note 19)

Negotiated Transfer
As British forces approached Bergen-Belsen, German authorities sought to
turn over the camp to the British so that it would not become a combat
zone. After some negotiation, it was peacefully transferred, with an
agreement that "both British and German troops will make every effort to
avoid battle in the area." (note 20) 

A revealing account of the circumstances under which the British took
control appeared in a 1945 issue of The Journal of the American Medical
Association: (note 21)
By negotiations between British and German officers, British troops took
over from the SS and the Wehrmacht the task of guarding the vast
concentration camp at Belsen, a few miles northwest of Celle, which
contains 60,000 prisoners, many of them political. This has been done
because typhus is rampant in the camp and it is vital that no prisoners
be released until the infection is checked. The advancing British agreed
to refrain from bombing or shelling the area of the camp, and the
Germans agreed to leave behind an armed guard which would be allowed to
return to their own lines a week after the British arrival. 

The story of the negotiations is curious. Two German officers presented
themselves before the British outposts and explained that there were
9,000 sick in the camp and that all sanitation had failed. They proposed
that the British should occupy the camp at once, as the responsibility
was international in the interests of health. In return for the delay
caused by the truce the Germans offered to surrender intact the bridges
over the river Aller. After brief consideration the British senior
officer rejected the German proposals, saying it was necessary that the
British should occupy an area of ten kilometers round the camp in order
to be sure of keeping their troops and lines of communication away from
the disease. The British eventually took over the camp.

Brutal Mistreatment
On April 15, 1945, Belsen's commanders turned over the camp to British
troops, who lost no time mistreating the SS camp personnel. The Germans
were beaten with rifle butts, kicked, and stabbed with bayonets. Most
were shot or worked to death. (note 22) 

British journalist Alan Moorehead described the treatment of some of the
camp personnel shortly after the takeover: (note 23)
As we approached the cells of the SS guards, the [British] sergeant's
language become ferocious. "We had had an interrogation this morning,"
the captain said. 'I'm afraid they are not a pretty sight.' ... The
sergeant unbolted the first door and ... strode into the cell, jabbing a
metal spike in front of him. "Get up," he shouted. "Get up. Get up, you
dirty bastards." There were half a dozen men lying or half lying on the
floor. One or two were able to pull themselves erect at once. The man
nearest me, his shirt and face spattered with blood, made two attempts
before he got on to his knees and then gradually on to his feet. He
stood with his arms stretched out in front of him, trembling violently. 

"Come on. Get up," the sergeant shouted [in the next cell]. The man was
lying in his blood on the floor, a massive figure with a heavy head and
bedraggled beard ... "Why don't you kill me?" he whispered. "Why don't
you kill me? I can't stand it any more." The same phrases dribbled out
of his lips over and over again. "He's been saying that all morning, the
dirty bastard," the sergeant said. 
Commandant Kramer, who was vilified in the British and American press as
"The Beast of Belsen" and "The Monster of Belsen," was put on trial and
then executed, along with chief physician Dr. Fritz Klein and other camp
officials. At his trial, Kramer's defense attorney, Major T.C.M.
Winwood, predicted: "When the curtain finally rings down on this stage
Josef Kramer will, in my submission, stand forth not as 'The Beast of
Belsen' but as 'The Scapegoat of Belsen'." (note 24) 

In an "act of revenge," the British liberators expelled the residents of
the nearby town of Bergen, and then permitted camp inmates to loot the
houses and buildings. Much of the town was also set on fire. (note 25)
Postwar Deaths
There were some 55,000 to 60,000 prisoners in Bergen-Belsen when the
British took control of the camp. The new administrators proved no more
capable of mastering the chaos than the Germans had been, and some
14,000 Jewish inmates died at Belsen in the months following the British
takeover. (note 26) 

Although still occasionally referred to as an "extermination camp" or
"mass murder" center, the truth about Bergen-Belsen has been quietly
acknowledged by scholars. (note 27) In his 1978 survey of German
history, University of Erlangen professor Helmut Diwald wrote of (note
28)
... The notorious Bergen-Belsen concentration camp where 50,000 inmates
were supposedly murdered. Actually, about 7,000 inmates died during the
period when the camp existed, from 1943 to 1945. Most of them died in
the final months of the war as a result of disease and malnutrition --
consequences of the bombings that had completely disrupted normal
deliveries of medical supplies and food. The British commander who took
control of the camp after the capitulation testified that crimes on a
large scale had not taken place at Bergen-Belsen. 
Martin Broszat, Director of the Institute for Contemporary History in
Munich, wrote in 1976: (note 29)
... In Bergen-Belsen, for example, thousands of corpses of Jewish
prisoners were found by British soldiers on the day of liberation, which
gave the impression that this was one of the notorious extermination
camps. Actually, many Jews in Bergen-Belsen as well as in the satellite
camps of Dachau died in the last weeks before the end of the war as a
result of the quickly improvised retransfers and evacuations of Jewish
workers from the still existing ghettos, work camps and concentration
camps in the East (Auschwitz) ... 
Dr. Russell Barton, an English physician who spent a month in Bergen-
Belsen after the war with the British Army, has also explained the
reasons for the catastrophic conditions found there: (note 30)
Most people attributed the conditions of the inmates to deliberate
intention on the part of the Germans in general and the camp
administrators in particular. Inmates were eager to cite examples of
brutality and neglect, and visiting journalists from different countries
interpreted the situation according to the needs of propaganda at home. 

For example, one newspaper emphasized the wickedness of the "German
masters" by remarking that some of the 10,000 unburied dead were naked.
In fact, when the dead were taken from a hut and left in the open for
burial, other prisoners would take their clothing from them ... 

German medical officers told me that it had been increasingly difficult
to transport food to the camp for some months. Anything that moved on
the autobahns was likely to be bombed ... 

I was surprised to find records, going back for two or three years, of
large quantities of food cooked daily for distribution. I became
convinced, contrary to popular opinion, that there had never been a
policy of deliberate starvation. This was confirmed by the large numbers
of well-fed inmates. Why then were so many people suffering from
malnutrition?... The major reasons for the state of Belsen were disease,
gross overcrowding by central authority, lack of law and order within
the huts, and inadequate supplies of food, water and drugs. 

In trying to assess the causes of the conditions found in Belsen one
must be alerted to the tremendous visual display, ripe for purposes of
propaganda, that masses of starved corpses presented.

Gas Chamber Myths
Some former inmates and a few historians have claimed that Jews were put
to death in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen. For example, an
"authoritative" work published shortly after the end of the war, A
History of World War II, informed readers: "In Belsen, [Commandant]
Kramer kept an orchestra to play him Viennese music while he watched
children torn from their mothers to be burned alive. Gas chambers
disposed of thousands of persons daily." (note 31) 

In Jews, God and History, Jewish historian Max Dimont wrote of gassings
at Bergen-Belsen. (note 32) A semi-official work published in Poland in
1981 claimed that women and babies were "put to death in gas chambers"
at Belsen. (note 33) 

In 1945 the Associated Press news agency reported: (note 34)
In Lueneburg, Germany, a Jewish physician, testifying at the trial of 45
men and women for war crimes at the Belsen and Oswiecim [Auschwitz]
concentration camps, said that 80,000 Jews, representing the entire
ghetto of Lodz, Poland, had been gassed or burned to death in one night
at the Belsen camp. 
Five decades after the camp's liberation, British army Captain Robert
Daniell recalled seeing "the gas chambers" there. (note 35) 

Years after the war, Robert Spitz, a Hungarian Jew, remembered taking a
shower at Belsen in February 1945: "... It was delightful. What I didn't
know then was that there were other showers in the same building where
gas came out instead of water." (note 36) 

Another former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from
death as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a
Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he "was sent to
the [Belsen] camp gas chamber at least six times." The newspaper account
went on to relate: "Each time he survived, watching with horror as many
of the women and children gassed with him collapsed and died. To this
day, Peer doesn't know how he was able to survive." In an effort to
explain the miracle, Peer mused: "Maybe children resist better, I don't
know." (Although Peer claimed that "Bergen-Belsen was worse than
Auschwitz," he acknowledged that he and his younger brother and sister,
who were deported to the camp in 1944, all somehow survived internment
there.) (note 37) 

Such gas chamber tales are entirely fanciful. As early as 1960,
historian Martin Broszat had publicly repudiated the Belsen gassing
story. These days no reputable scholar supports it. (note 38)
Exaggerated Death Estimates
Estimates of the number of people who died in Bergen-Belsen have ranged
widely over the years. Many have been irresponsible exaggerations.
Typical is a 1985 York Daily News report, which told readers that
"probably 100,000 died at Bergen-Belsen." (note 39) An official German
government publication issued in 1990 declared that "more than 50,000
people had been murdered" in the Belsen camp under German control, and
"an additional 13,000 died in the first weeks after liberation." (note
40) 

Closer to the truth is the Encyclopaedia Judaica, which maintains that
37,000 perished in the camp before the British takeover, and another
14,000 afterwards. (note 41) 

Whatever the actual number of dead, Belsen's victims were not
"murdered," and the camp was not an "extermination" center.

Black Market Center
>From  1945 until 1950, when it was finally shut down, the British
maintained Belsen as a camp for displaced European Jews. During this
period it achieved new notoriety as a major European black market
center. The "uncrowned king" of Belsen's 10,000 Jews was Yossl (Josef)
Rosensaft, who amassed tremendous profits from the illegal trading.
Rosensaft had been interned in various camps, including Auschwitz,
before arriving in Belsen in early April 1945. (note 42) 

British Lieutenant General Sir Frederick Morgan, chief of "displaced
persons" operations in postwar Germany for the United Nations relief
organization UNRRA recalled in his memoir that (note 43)
under Zionist auspices there had been organized at Belsen a vast
illegitimate trading organization with worldwide ramifications and
dealing in a wide range of goods, principally precious metals and
stones. A money market dealt with a wide range of currencies. Goods were
being imported in cryptically marked containers consigned in UNRRA
shipments to Jewish voluntary agencies ...

Legacy 
A kind of memorial center now draws many tourists annually to the camp
site. Not surprisingly, Bergen's 13,000 residents are not very pleased
with their town's infamous reputation. Citizens report being called
"murderers" during visits to foreign countries. (note 44) 

In striking contrast to the widely-accepted image of Belsen, which is
essentially a product of hateful wartime propaganda, is the suppressed,
albeit grim, historical reality. In truth, the Bergen-Belsen story may
be regarded as the Holocaust story in miniature.

Notes 
Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth about
Hitler's 'Final Solution' (Boston: Little Brown, 1980), p. 1.
Testimony of Commandant Kramer in: Raymond Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef
Kramer and Forty-Four Others (The Belsen Trial) (London: William Hodge,
1949), p. 160; "Bergen-Belsen," Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and
Jerusalem: Macmillan and Keter, 1971), Vol. 4, p. 610. According to this
source, one group of 136 of these "exchange Jews" was deported from
Belsen during the war to neutral Switzerland, and another group of 222
was transferred to Palestine.; According to an Israeli newspaper report,
a group of 222 "exchange" Jews reportedly left Bergen-Belsen on June 29,
1944, and, by way of Istanbul, arrived in Palestine on July 10. (Israel
Nachrichten, quoted in: D. National-Zeitung, Munich, Sept. 23, 1994, p.
5)
Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: NAL, 1981),
p. 190.
Josef Kramer statement (1945) in: R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer and
Forty-Four Others, pp. 731-737. This is also in: Arthur Butz, The Hoax
of the Twentieth Century (Newport Beach: Institute for Historical
Review, 1993), pp. 272-274.
R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 19, 32,
33; Roman Hrabar, with Zofia Tokarz and J. E. Wilczur, The Fate of
Polish Children During the Last War (Warsaw: Interpress, 1981), p. 76.
Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 4, p. 610; Gedenkbuch: Opfer der Verfolgung
der Juden unter der nationsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft (Koblenz:
Bundesarchiv, 1986; 2 vols.), pp. 1761-1762.
Testimony of Dr. Russell Barton, Feb. 7, 1985, in the first "Holocaust"
trial of Ernst Zündel. Official trial transcript, pp. 2916-2917; See
also Barton's testimony during the second, 1988 Zündel trial in: Barbara
Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die? (Toronto: Samisdat, 1992), p.
175, and, Robert Lenski, The Holocaust on Trial: The Case of Ernst
Zündel (Decatur, Ala.: Reporter Press, 1990), p. 159.
Testimony of Commandant Kramer in: R. Phillips, Trial of Josef Kramer
and Forty-Four Others, p. 162.
Josef Kramer statement (1945) in: R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef
Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 731-737. Also in: A. Butz, The Hoax of
the Twentieth Century, p. 274.
Derrick Sington, Belsen Uncovered (London: 1946), pp. 117-118. Quoted
in: A. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, pp. 34-35; Gerald
Reitlinger, The Final Solution (London: Sphere Books, pb., 1971), p. 504
(note).
R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 152-
153, 166-167, 734, 736; Tom Bower, Blind Eye to Murder (London: Granada,
1983), p. 224; Dr. Ernst von Briesen, "Was passierte in Bergen-Belsen
wirklich?," D. National-Zeitung (Munich), Jan. 13, 1984, pp. 4, 5, 8.
G.Reitlinger, The Final Solution, p. 497 (and 638, n. 23).
Andre Biss, A Million Jews to Save (New York: A.S. Barnes, 1975), pp.
242, 249-250; Felix Kersten, The Kersten Memoirs, 1940-1945 (New York:
Macmillan, 1957), p. 276.
Martin Gilbert, The Holocaust (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston,
1986), pp. 722, 785-786.
R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 163-
166.
Signed report by retired Colonel (Oberst a.D.) Hanns Schmidt to Kurt
Mehner and Lt. Colonel Bechtold, Braunschweig, March 3, 1981. Photocopy
in author's possession.
Signed report by Hanns Schmidt to Kurt Mehner and Lt. Colonel Bechtold,
March 3, 1981. Photocopy in author's possession.
Essay by Alan Moorehead, "Belsen," in: Cyril Connolly, ed., The Golden
Horizon (London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1953), pp. 109-110.
Josef Kramer statement (1945) in: R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef
Kramer and Forty-Four Others, p. 737. Also quoted in: A. Butz, Hoax, p.
275; Essay by Alan Moorehead, "Belsen," in: Cyril Connolly, ed., The
Golden Horizon, pp. 109-110; Dr. Russell Barton, "Belsen," History of
the Second World War (Editor: Barrie Pitt, Copyright BPC publications,
1966), Part 109, 1975, p. 3025.
R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 396-
397.
"Typhus Causes a Truce," The Journal of the American Medical Association
(Chicago), May 19, 1945, p. 220.
Leonard O. Mosley, Report from Germany (1945). Quoted in: Montgomery
Belgion, Victor's Justice (Regnery, 1949), p. 80 (and p. 81); Time
magazine, April 29, 1985, p. 21; See also essay by A. Moorehead,
"Belsen," in: Cyril Connolly, ed., The Golden Horizon (London: 1953),
pp. 105-106.
Essay by A. Moorehead, "Belsen," in: Cyril Connolly, ed., The Golden
Horizon, pp. 105-106.
R. Phillips, ed., Trial of Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others), p. 156.
"Bergen-Belsen," Der Spiegel (Hamburg), Nr. 30, 1985, pp. 71, 72.
"Holocaust," Encyclopaedia Judaica, Vol. 8, p. 859; M. Gilbert, The
Holocaust (1986), pp. 793-795; See also: R. Phillips, ed., Trial of
Josef Kramer and Forty-Four Others, pp. 20, 46-47; According to a 1992
Associated Press report, more than 60,000 prisoners were held in Belsen
camp when it was liberated. Then, "in the first five days of liberation,
14,000 prisoners died and another 14,000 perished in the following
weeks." Graham Heathcote, AP from Tostock, England, "2 hours changed me
for the rest of my life," Orlando Sentinel (Florida), Dec. 20, 1992, p.
A 29, and, "Journey into hell," The Spokesman-Review (Spokane,
Washington), Dec. 20, 1992.
Time magazine, April 29, 1985, p. 21, referred to Belsen as a camp
created for the "extermination" of "the Jewish people."
Helmut Diwald, Geschichte der Deutschen (Frankfurt: Propyläen, first
ed., 1978), pp. 164-165.
M. Broszat, "Zur Kritik der Publizistik des antisemitischen
Rechtsextremismus," Supplement B 19/76 of May 8, 1976, to the weekly
newspaper Das Parlament (Bonn), p. 6. Revised from issue No. 2, 1976, of
the Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte (Munich).
Dr. R. Barton, "Belsen," History of the Second World War, Part 109,
1975, pp. 3025-3029; Barton confirmed this evaluation in testimony given
in the 1985 and 1988 Toronto trials of German-Canadian publisher Ernst
Zündel. On Barton's testimony in the first, 1985 trial, see: "View of
Belsen was propaganda, trial told," The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Feb.
8, 1985, pp. M1, M5, and, "Disease killed Nazis' prisoners, MD says,"
Toronto Star, Feb. 8, 1985, p. A2; On Barton's testimony in the second,
1988 Zündel trial, see: Barbara Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really
Die?, pp. 175-180, and, R. Lenski, The Holocaust on Trial (1990), pp.
157-160; Among his other positions after the war, Barton was
superintendent and consultant psychiatrist at Severalls Hospital (Essex,
England), and director of the Rochester Psychiatric Center (New York).
Francis Trevelyan Miller, Litt.D., LLD, A History of World War II
(Philadelphia: John C. Winston Co., 1945), p. 868.
M. Dimont, Jews, God and History (New York: Signet/NAL, pb., 1962?), p.
383.
R. Hrabar, et al, The Fate of Polish Children During the Last War
(Warsaw: 1981), p. 76.
The Associated Press News Annual: 1945, p. 404.
M. Holland, "The horrors of Belsen," Sunday Herald Sun (Melbourne,
Australia), Jan. 22, 1995, p. 93; M. Holland, "Man who uncovered the
horror of Belsen," Sunday Times (Perth, W. Australia), Feb. 5, 1995, p.
2.
S. Rothchild, ed., Voices From the Holocaust, p. 197.
K. Seidman, "Surviving the horror," The Gazette (Montreal, Canada),
August 5, 1993. Facsimile reprint in: The Journal of Historical Review,
Nov.-Dec. 1993, p. 24.
Die Zeit (Hamburg), August 19, 1960, p. 16. (U.S. edition: August 26,
1960.) Facsimile and translation in The Journal of Historical Review,
May-June 1993, p. 12.
"Bergen-Belsen," Daily News (New York), April 20, 1985, p. 3.
"Ceremony Recalls Victims of Bergen-Belsen," The Week in Germany (New
York: German Information Center), April 27, 1990, p. 6; A figure of
50,000 is also given in Time magazine, April 29, 1985, p. 21; According
to a stone memorial at the Belsen camp site, 30,000 Jews were
"exterminated" there; A semi-official Polish account published in 1980
reported 48,000 Belsen "victims." Czeslaw Pilichowski, No Time Limit for
These Crimes (Warsaw: Interpress, 1980), pp. 154-155.
"Bergen-Belsen," Encyclopaedia Judaica (1971), vol. 4, pp. 610-612;
Colonel Schmidt, the German officer who worked to alleviate conditions
in Belsen during the final weeks and also arranged for the camp's
surrender to the British, estimated that "altogether about 8,000 people"
died in the camp. (This figure may, however, only include victims of the
final chaotic weeks under German control.) Source: Signed report by
Oberst a.D. Hanns Schmidt to Kurt Mehner and Lt. Colonel Bechtold,
Braunschweig, March 3, 1981. (Cited above.) Photocopy in author's
possession.
L. Dawidowicz, "Belsen Remembered," Commentary (New York: American
Jewish Comm.), March 1966, pp. 84, 85; D. National-Zeitung (Munich),
March 21, 1986, p. 4; M. Gilbert, The Holocaust, pp. 690, 793.
F. Morgan, Peace and War (London: Hodder and Stoughton, 1961), p. 259.
"Bergen-Belsen," Der Spiegel, Nr. 30, 1985, pp. 71, 72.


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demented fiend that something better was needed. And yet, Christian
Wirth supposedly asked Gerstein not to propose in Berlin any other kind
of gas chamber. (fn. 33) Supposedly, it was not just a few people who
were killed with Diesel exhaust, but millions. To have used such a
clumsy method to kill Jews, especially when far better methods were
readily available, is incredible enough, but that the same clumsy method
would have also been used by the Germans on their own people as part of
a euthanasia program is even more incredible.
Postscript: More Surprises to Come!
A marvelous metamorphosis is already taking place in the holocaust
story. Several leading Holocaust proponents are now taking great pains
to drop the Diesel claim and replace it with the view that the engines
were not Diesels but conventional gasoline engines which simply burned
Diesel fuel, presumably to make the engines more deadly than if they had
only burned regular gasoline. This amazing transformation has appeared
in a recent book in Germany entitled Nationalsozialistiche
Massentötungen durch Giftgas. (fn. 34) The book was a joint project of
24 of the most eminent scholars on the subject, including such notables
as Eugen Kogon, Hermann Langbein, Adalbert Rueckerl, Gideon Hausner,
Germaine Tillion and Georges Wellers. The book represents the current
state of the art of holocaust mythomania and has already been
recommended by the World Jewish Congress in London. (fn. 35) The new,
"revised" version of the holocaust says, in effect, that Gerstein and
others were mistaken when they had claimed that Diesels were used to
kill Jews at Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor. The claim now is that
gasoline engines were used. 

The clumsy juggling of evidence which characterizes this book is
exemplified by the fact that although the Gerstein statement refers to
Diesel engines four times, the portion of the Gerstein statement which
is quoted in this supposedly definitive rebuttal of the revisionists
does not mention Diesels at all, nor does it even describe the alleged
killing process. (fn. 36) For a description of the killing process that
Gerstein supposedly witnessed, the book gives a piece of postwar
testimony by Dr. Pfannenstiel in which there is also no mention of the
use of Diesels, but only of the use of Diesel fuel in the engine. How
one could possibly have operated a gasoline engine with Diesel fuel is,
of course, left to the imagination. The fact is that any gasoline engine
simply would not operate with Diesel fuel (and vice-versa). 

A fatal flaw in the new, non-Diesel, version is the retention of the
recurrent claim that the corpses were "blue." Although any possible
death from Diesel exhaust would have been due to lack of oxygen, which
would in turn have caused a bluish appearance of the corpse, death from
gasoline engine exhaust would "only" have been due to carbon monoxide
and could "only" have caused a distinctive "cherry red" or "pink"
appearance. Although Pfannenstiel's postwar testimony is generally less
wild than the Gerstein statement, nonetheless he and other
"eyewitnesses" also repeated the claim that the corpses were "blue."
(fn. 37) 

That the Gerstein statement, although in a severely abbreviated form, is
included at all in such a scholarly work, despite the problems for the
"revised" version of the holocaust 

story which should be obvious to anyone looking at the complete text of
that statement, only shows how desperate the holocaust scholars are to
scrape together everything they have in support of their monstrous
fantasy. They have precious little, and the Gerstein statement is still
the best evidence they can present. 

The new "revised" version of the holocaust story is actually more absurd
than the old version. Although it might be remotely possible for an
engineer to have mistaken a gasoline engine for a Diesel engine, how
could anyone possibly have mistaken "red" for "blue"? Perhaps they were
all color blind-we will just have to wait and see. No doubt, we will see
many more attempts by desperate men to hold together a crumbling
patchwork of lies. 

The Diesel gas chamber claim is rubbish-apparently some of the
exterminationists themselves recognize that now. However, the alternate
claim that gasoline engine exhaust was used instead is rubbish also.
Notes
The "gas chambers" that one is shown today in Dachau, Auschwitz and
elsewhere are practically nothing more than ordinary rooms which could
not have been used to kill in the manner alleged. The Diesel gas
chambers in Treblinka. Belzec and Sobibor were all supposedly destroyed
long before the end of the war.
Raul Hilberg. The Destruction of the European Jews (Chicago: Quadrangle
Books, 1961). p. 572.
It was at these camps that many photos were taken of dead bodies, many
already in advanced states of decay. These photos are still being
presented as proof of Jewish extermination. No comparable photos were
taken in Auschwitz, for example. Already in 1960 Dr. Martin Broszat of
the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich wrote in a letter to
Die Zeit (19 August 1960), p. 16, stating that there had been "no gas
chambers in the Altreich," meaning Germany within its pre-1937 borders,
but rather "gassings took place only in German-occupied Poland." The
exclusion of Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and Buchenwald from the current
litany of extermination camps in the serious literature is a tacit
admission that at least a "mini-hoax" had been perpetrated earlier.
Hilberg, pp. 561-62.
William B. Lindsey, "Zyklon B, Auschwitz, and the Trial of Dr. Bruno
Tesch," Journal of Historical Review Vol. 4, No. 3 (Fall 1983).
In a trial in France in 1982 in which Dr. Robert Faurisson had been sued
for slander by Poliakov for having described him as a "falsifier of
history," Poliakov had explained that he had simply misread a poor
quality copy of a copy, several times removed, of the original Gerstein
document.
Leon Poliakov, Harvest of Hate, Holocaust Library (New York: Schocken
Books, 1979), p. 195.
Dr. Wilhelm Pfannenstiel was a professor at the Institute for Hygiene at
the University of Marburg an der Lahn. An article by him on the
effectiveness of vitamin K was published in Deutsche Zeitschrift für
Chirurgie, 257 Band (1943) pp. 639-42. Also, an answer by him to a
reader's question was published by the Muenchener Medizinische
Wochenschrift (4 July 1941), p. 766, with his home address: Pilgrimstein
2, Marburg an der Lahn. He was apparently sent to Belzec as well as
other camps as a medical consultant to improve camp sanitation. After
the war he was interrogated every few years with regard to his visit to
Belzec with Gerstein and on two occasions was prosecuted, the last trial
being in April 1970 in Marburg. Essentially, his testimony was always to
support the Gerstein statement while at the same time avoiding or
denying anything which would incriminate himself.
S. Kaye, Handbook of Emergency Toxicology, 4th ed. (Springfield: C.C.
Thomas, 1980) pp. 187-88. For a more detailed discussion of toxic
effects of CO see: C.J. Polson & R.N. Tattersall, Clinical Toxicology
(Philadelphia: Lippincott, 1969), pp. 604-21.
Poliakov, p. 196.
Y. Henderson and H.W. Haggard, Noxious Gases (New York: Reinhold
Publishing, 1943), p. 168.
W. Baker and A.L. Mossman, Effects of Exposure to Toxic Gases, (East
Rutherford, New Jersey: Matheson Gas Products, 1970), p. 12.
F.E. Camps, Medical and Scientific Investigations in the Christie Case
(London: Medical Publications Ltd., 1953), p. 170,
P.S. Myers, "Automobile Emissions-A Study in Environmental Benefits
versus Technological Costs," Society of Automotive Engineers
Transactions Vol. 79 (1970), Section 1, paper 700182, p. 662.
A Russian submarine engine is mentioned, without any details, in Jochen
von Lang, Eichmann Interrogated (New York: Farrar, Straus & Giroux,
1983) p. 76. Since World War I, gasoline engines have as a rule been
excluded from submarines because of the toxicity of their exhaust and
the flammability of their fuel. Thus, any submarine engine, even from a
Soviet submarine, would have been a Diesel and would probably have been
as powerful as the engine from any tank.
David F. Merrion, "Effect of Design Revisions on Two Stroke Cycle Diesel
Engine Exhaust," Society of Automotive Engineers Transactions Vol. 77
(1968), paper 680422, p. 1535.
J.C. Holtz, "Safety with mobile diesel-powered equipment underground,"
Report of Investigations No. 5616, U.S. Dept. of the Interior, Bureau of
Mines, Washington, 1960, p. 67,
Figure 3 and Figure 5 have been used repeatedly over the last forty
years in the technical literature by numerous engineers thereby
demonstrating the reliability of the data on which these figures are
based and the extent to which they represent the worst possible carbon
monoxide emission levels from all Diesels. Two of the early examples of
articles using Figure 3 are: H.H. Schrenk and L.B. Berger, "Composition
of Diesel Engine Exhaust Gas," American Journal of Public Health Vol.
31, No. 7 (July 1941), p. 674, and Martin A. Elliott, "Combustion of
Diesel Fuel," Society of Automotive Engineers Quarterly Transactions
Vol. 3, No. 3 (July 1949), p. 509.
Although the related tests and their purpose have been discussed in many
articles, probably the best is in Holtz.
Elliot and Davis, "Composition of Diesel Exhaust Gas," SAE Quarterly
Transactions Vol. 4, No. 3 (July 1950), pp. 345-46-discussion by E.W.
Landen.
Ibid, p. 333.
Edward F. Obert, Internal Combustion Engines and Air Pollution (New York
and London: Intext Educational Publishers, 1973), p. 361.
Henderson & Haggard, pp. 144-45.
J.S. Haldane & J.G. Priestly, Respiration (New Haven: Yale University
Press, 1935), pp. 223-24.
L.J. Meduna, Carbon Dioxide Therapy (Springfield: C.C. Thomas), pp. 3-
19.
J.D.P. Graham, The Diagnosis and Treatment of Acute Poisoning (London:
Oxford University Press, 1962), pp. 215-17.
L.T. Fairhall, Industrial Toxicology, 2nd ed. (Baltimore: Williams &
Wilkins, 1957), p. 180.
Wolfgang Oerley, "Entwicklung und Stand der Holzgaserzeuger in
Oesterreich, Maerz 1938 [Development and Status of Woodgas Generators in
Austria, March 19381," in ATZ Automobiltechnische Zeitschrift, Heft 11
(April 1939), p. 314. Before the war, the leading company not only in
Europe but probably in the entire world in the manufacture and
development of "wood gas wagons" was the Vienna-based Saurer Company.
This is the same company which is identified, oddly enough, as the
manufacturer of the murderous "gas vans" in PS-501.
The German automotive technical literature of that period abounds with
material on this forgotten subject. For an introductory survey of the
subject, two especially useful issues of ATZ are Heft 18 from September
1940 and from 1941.
Rauff is now residing in Chile where he is pursued by the likes of Simon
Wiesenthal and Beate Klarsfeld- A recent attempt by the ADL in the
U.S.A. and by others to have him extradited to Israel was denied by the
Chilean government because of Chile's statute of limitations and because
of Rauff's faultless behavior in Chile.
A more thorough analysis of the gas wagons, and of Zyklon B, may be
found in the author's taped presentation given in Los Angeles on 6
September 1983 before the International Revisionist Conference of the
Institute for Historical Review, from which this article is essentially
an abridgement. The audio cassette is available from the Institute.
An excellent discussion of the subject including extensive lists of
references, especially German references, is: W. Gumz and J.F. Foster of
the Battelle Memorial Inst., "A Critical Survey of Methods of Making a
High BTU Gas from Coal," Research Bull. No. 6 (New York: American Gas
Association, July 1953).
See the complete text of the Gerstein statement in Arthur R. Butz, The
Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Torrance, CA: Institute for Historical
Review, 1982) p. 254. The extermination technology employed at
Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor was supposedly no longer an experimental
technology in 1942 but rather a highly developed technology based upon
almost three years of practical experience beginning in 1939 with the
euthanasia program.
Nationalsozialistische Massentoetungen durch Giftgas [National Socialist
Mass-Murders with Poison Gas] (Frankfurt: S. Fischer Verlag, 1983).
Chicago Jewish Sentinel (22 December 1983).
Nationalsozialistische Massentoetungen durch Giftgas, p. 172-74.
See, for example, his testimony before the Darmstadt court from 6 June
1950 which appears in Saul Friedlaender, Counterfeit Nazi: The Ambiguity
of Good (London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1967), p.18. For a thorough
discussion of the kind of mad dilemma confronting any German who was
even remotely connected with the concentration camps-Treblinka, Belzec
and Sobibor were actually transit camps rather than concentration camps-
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Did you find "any orders for the extermination of Jews" in the archives 
of any country? asked Christie [defence counsel for Zundel].

"None whatsoever," said [David] Irving. And the British were reading 
the code signals of the SS.

What about Himmler, Heydrich, Frank, and other top Nazis? asked 
Christie.

"There are no explicit orders," said Irving, "and this is where the 
academic historians start asking us to read between the lines and find 
fancy translations for certain words and I wouldn't go along with those 
methods. I want in a crime as big as this to find explicit evidence.

What one does find, said Irving, is documents pointing in the other 
direction. For example, in the spring of 1942, Hans Lammers, who was 
something like the German Prime Minister telephoned the Secretary of 
State of the German Ministry of Justice, who made a note of their 
conversation. Lammers said that Hitler had repeatedly said that he 
wanted the solution of the Jewish problem postponed until after the
war. This document, said Irving, "was concealed at Nuremberg", and 
resurfaced only recently. It "takes some explaining, and this is the 
kind of document which embarrasses the [academic] historians."  
   


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The Franks had been arrested and had been taken away.......

What happened next? Who found the "diary" [actually written by her dad]?

1) "The franks and their friends were being taken away. MIEP remained
frozen in her chair, too shocked, too stunned to move. Then she heard
the sound of familar voices. ELLI and HENK were returning. Saying little
to one another, the THREE left the office and moved down the hallway and
on up the stairs to the hiding place. Moving from room to room they saw
overturned furniture, books scattered, and drawers ransacked."
[Page 23. A place to Hide. True Sories of Holocaust Rescues. Jayne
Pettit. USA 1993.

2) "At the end of the afternoon, the two [MIEP and BEP] went upstairs
together with JAN GIES and VAN MAAREN, the warehouseman, and entered the
secret annex. It was in chaos. the pages of Anne's diary lay scattered
on the floor and were gathered up along with other papers and books and
taken downstairs."
[Anne Frank: Beyond the Diary: A photographic Rememberance. Puffin books
1995]

3) "The secret annexe was plundered during the police raid. A few days
later, in a pile of old newspapers left lying on the floor, an OFFICE
CLEANER found the notebooks containing Anne's diary. Not knowing what
they were, he handed them to Miep and Elli."
[Page 227 Anne Frank Diary. Published by Guild publishing by arrangement
with Valentine, Mitchell and Co Ltd 1980]

4)  "Henk said right away to van Matto, 'As soon as your assistants are
away lock the door and come back to us.' When van Matto returned, Henk
said to Elli, van Matto and me [Miep Gies], 'Now we'ill go upstairs and
see what the situation is.'
[Page 157. Anne Frank Remembered by Miep Gies 1987.] 

Option  1 could be sloppy transcription. Option 2 could be the same as
4) as AF used nicknames,  but what about option 3?
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Christie then questioned [Professor Robert] Faurisson about two plans
which show the entire Birkenau camp. One came from a book published in
Warsaw in 1980, and agreed, said the witness, with all the other plans
known to him. The second came from The Auschwitz Album, a popular book
first published in 1981 or 1982 that contains nearly 200 photos of the
camp. The latter plan, said Faurisson, contains a "trick."
He then explained himself. Exterminationists say that the women and
children selected for gassing at Auschwitz were led to the buildings
called Crematoria II and III. Faurisson believes they were led to the
camp's large bath/sauna complex by way of a road which passed between
Crematoria II and III. aThe trick," explained Faurisson, is that in the
map in The Auschwitz Album, that they cut the road going to the big
sauna," making it look like it dead-ends at the crematoria.
 "There are other tricks" in the same book, said Faurisson. For example,
the well-known soccer field for internees beside Crematoria II and III
is not designated as such because readers would find it hard to believe
that gassings and athletics were conducted side-by-side.        
 
[Pages 303   From the "The Holocaust on Trial , The case of Ernst Zundel
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Anne Frank
by Mark Weber 

Known around the world for her famous diary, Anne Frank is perhaps the
most commemorated "victim of the Holocaust." On the fiftieth anniversary
of her death, and of the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen camp where she
died, she has been the subject of renewed attention. 

Translated into dozens of languages, more than 22 million copies of her
diary are estimated to have been sold worldwide -- millions of them to
secondary schools. In terms of its public impact, says "Nazi hunter"
Simon Wiesenthal, the Anne Frank diary is "more important than the
Nuremberg trials." (The Washington Post, April 1, 1979, p. H3) 

Influential organizations and much of the western media promote a quasi-
religious Anne Frank cult. She has become a kind of secular saint. As
the British monthly History Today noted in its March 1985 issue:
The impact of the Diary has been immense, especially on younger
generations, school children, adolescents and students. In Germany, a
type of Anne Frank cult developed in the fifties similar to movements
started by St. Teresa and St. Bernadette. In 1957, mass emotion was
channelled into a pilgrimage of two thousand young people, mainly from
Hamburg, to Bergen-Belsen where, in pouring rain during the course of a
ceremony, flowers were placed on the mass graves -- in one of which Anne
Frank was buried. 
Anne Frank's fate is not unlike that of many other lesser-known victims
of the wartime anti-Jewish policies imposed in Axis-ruled Europe. On
August 4, 1944, police raided the "annex" in Amsterdam, Netherlands,
where the Frank family had been living for two years. They were taken to
the Dutch transfer camp of Westerbork. 

As part of the German program to evacuate Jews from western Europe, the
15-year-old girl and other members of her family were deported by train
>from  the Netherlands to the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp in what is now
southern Poland. 

Several weeks later, in the face of the advancing Soviet army, Anne --
along with thousands of other Jewish prisoners -- was evacuated by rail
>from  Auschwitz more than four hundred miles westward to the Bergen-
Belsen camp in northwestern Germany. 

Along with many other Belsen camp inmates, Anne came down with typhus,
>from  which she died in mid-March 1945. She was not killed or murdered.
Anne Frank perished -- like millions of others, both Jewish and non-
Jewish, in Europe during that terrible time -- an indirect victim of
history's most devastating war. 

Few people realize that Anne, along with father and sister, and
thousands of other Jews, "survived" Auschwitz-Birkenau. Her father, Otto
Frank, came down with typhus and was transferred to the camp infirmary
there to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who
were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945,
shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in Switzerland in
August 1980. 

If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they
would not have survived Auschwitz-Birkenau. Their fate, as tragic as it
was, cannot be reconciled with the Holocaust extermination story. 



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[note for Lurkers: the following account is by Paul Rassinier, a french
socialist who was sent to Buchenwald, for helping jews cross the french
frontier into Switzerland. Paul Rassinier, himself a inmate of the
concentration camps, was the first to question the Gas chamber lies.]




1. Frere Birin

Frere Birin whose real name is Alfred Untereiner, published a
Chronological account of his experiences at Buchenwald and Dora entitled
16 mois de bagne  (Reims: Matot-Braine 1946)
In the Prologue, he relates the circumstances that led to his arrest and
deportation. He was arrested in December, 1943, was deported to
Buchenwald on January 17, 1944  and was transferred to Dora the
following March 13th . We were in the same deportation convoy and in the
same transport from Buchenwald to Dora. Our registration numbers were
also close together 43,642 for him, and 44,364 for me. 
We were liberated together........


"On the instigation [write Frere Birin in his book on page 77] of the
notorious Oberscharfurhrer Sanders, SS, with whom I had something to do,
other methods of execution were used for the saboteurs.
The unfortunates were made to dig narrow ditches, in which their
comrades were forced to bury them up to the neck. 
They were left for a cetain lenght of time. After that an SS. with a
long handled axe cut off their heads.

But the sadism of some of the SS led them to discover an even more cruel
death. They ordered other prisoners to pour barrow loads of sand over
their poor heads. I am still haunted by the looks etc....."


This, too, was never done at Dora. But the story was told to me in
almost the same words, in that camp, by prisoners who had been
transfered there from other camps and who all claimed to have been
present at the scene.: Mauthausen, Birkenau, Flossenburg, Neuengame,
etc.....



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Abraham Bomba, Barber of Treblinka 
by Bradley R. Smith

[Chapter 11 from Confessions of a Holocaust Revisionist]

I HAVE NOW SEEN the complete nine and one half hour documentary Shoah,
which purports to be "An Oral History of the Holocaust." It was
produced, directed, narrated and is now being promoted by Claude
Lanzmann. From the newspapers I gather that Lanzmann is an assimilated
French Jew who speaks neither Hebrew nor Yiddish. He is presently 60
years old. He worked as a journalist for many years in association with
Jean Paul Sartre and Les Temps Modernes until 1970, when he turned his
attention to making movies. 

That is, Claude Lanzmann worked for twenty-five years in the eye of the
intellectual storms that swept across France following the end of World
War II. As a journalist he certainly learned during those twenty-five
years how to conduct professional interviews. He certainly learned,
through his associations with Sartre, de Beauvior, Camus and those who
criticized the great triad, how to pursue a train of thought,
considering the high-powered company he kept. It's a real eye-opener
then to watch Lanzmann reveal his intellectual corruption in scene after
scene of this shoddy movie, which he claims took ten years to complete. 

My favorite interview in Shoah is the one with Abraham Bomba, the Barber
of Treblinka. I'm not alone in my fondness for Bomba either. Many
critics have commented on his performance. They gave him rave reviews.
George Will of ABC Television, for example, wrote in the Washington Post
that Bomb's narrative was "the most stunning episode in this shattering
film." 

Some eyewitnesses to alleged gas chamber horrors recount stories that
are so lacking in credibility that they can be dismissed out of hand.
Others repeat stories that cannot easily be shown to be false but reveal
the characters of the tale-bearers to be so sniveling and shameless that
one feels compromised by even listening to them. Bomba is becoming an
important character in the Holocaust-survivor-eyewitness scenario in
that he embodies much of both of these characteristics. 

The way Bomba tells the story, he had been interned in Treblinka about
four weeks when the Germans announced that they wanted some barbers for
a special detail. Bomba volunteered, of course, then helped the SS
identify 16 other Jewish barber among the internees. They were all taken
to the second part of the camp where the alleged gas chamber was. They
were led inside the gas chambers where a Kapo (almost certainly a Jew; )
explained that the 17 barbers were to shear the hair from the woman who
would arrive to be gassed. Lanzmann asked Bomba about the greatest
murder weapon of all time, the German homicidal poison gas chamber.
Lanzmann: How did it look, the gas chamber? 
Bomba: It was not a big room, around twelve feet by twelve feet. ()
And there you have it. Claude Lanzmann is finished with his in-depth
investigation of how the Treblinka gas chamber looked. It takes all
kinds. If I had been in Lanzamann's shoes I could have thought of a few
more questions to ask about "how it looked." Particularly if I had some
feelings about the stories that maybe a million of my kinsmen had been
exterminated in it. Maybe I would have wanted to know what Bomba could
tell me about what material the walls of the gas chamber were made of -
what the roof was made of. How would Bomba describe the ventilation
system? Where and how, exactly, did the "gas" enter the room? Maybe
Bomba would have remembered if the room had been illuminated or not. If
it had been, how? What were the doors made of? How did they seal so that
the "gas" could not escape? As historians have not bothered to ask these
simple questions, Lanzmann could have done their work for them and
helped uncover one of the great mysteries of the 20th century -- how the
fabled Nazi gas chambers really looked. 

As to whether Bomba is being honest about having seen a gas chamber at
Treblinka consider Rachel Auerbach's description of that gas chamber in
her The Death Camp Treblinka (). Auerbach is given a place of honor in
this, the most comprehensive book published on the camp. As she was (she
died in 1976) a permanent research staff member of the Yad Vashem
Holocaust Memorial museum in Jerusalem, her description of the gas
chamber should not be dismissed out of hand.
... The floor of the gas chamber was sloping and slippery. The first
ones in would slip and fall, never to rise again. Those who followed
would topple over them ... About 25 to 45 minutes later -- [after the
"gassing" began, that is] -- the chutes on the other side could be
opened and the corpses tumbled out." 
It would seem that while he was being interviewed for Shoah Mr. Bomba
forgot about how slippery the floor is supposed to have been in his
little gas chamber. It seems he forgot how it slanted steeply in the
direction of the chutes. As a matter of fact, Mr. Bomba forgot to
mention the chutes. If Lanzmann had read the literature even
superficially he would have been aware that Bomba was leaving a few
things out of his story. As Lanzmann claims he worked for ten years on
Shoah, I'm going to guess that Lanzmann is aware of Auerbach's
description of the Treblinka gas chamber and chooses to ignore it. 

In any event, once Lanzmann's curiosity was satisfied about how the gas
chamber looked (not big), he wanted to know happened next.
Lanzmann: Can you describe precisely?
Bomba: Describe precisely ... We were waiting there ... inside the gas
chamber ... until the transport came in. Women with children pushed into
that place ... They were undressed, naked, without clothes, without
anything else -- completely naked -- because they come from the
undressing barrack ... where they had undressed themselves.
Lanzmann: What did you feel the first time you saw all those naked
women?
Bomba: I felt that accordingly I got to do what they ... [Germans] ...
told me, to cut their hair ...
There you have in a nut shell how eye witnesses to the gas chamber
atrocities typically describe their behavior. They did whatever the
Germans or anyone else requested of them. When they received a request
to help prepare their kinsmen -- and even their own families as well as
shall soon see -- to be exterminated, or genocided or whatever, these
fellows say they hopped right to it. I don't believe them, but that's
the persona that they have chosen to project to the world at large. In
the neighborhood where I grew up men who behaved like Bomba claims he
behaved would have been spit on. In the upside-down world of Holocaust
survivordom, however , the Abraham Bombas are seen as martyrs and even
heroes. It's a peculiar psychological slant on manly behavior. 

Lanzmann expresses a little more curiosity about how Bomba cut his ( for
hasn't Bomba according to his own story become a working partner in the
alleged genocide of his people?) victims hair than he did about how the
gas chamber looked. He asked if Bomba had shaved them, if he had used
scissors, and if there had not been mirrors available inside the gas
chamber. Bomba said that he did not shave the women, and that the
Germans had not provided the barbers with mirrors.
Lanzmann: "There were no mirrors?" 
Bomba: "No, there were no mirrors. There were just benches - not chairs,
just benches . . . . 
There's an interesting note. According to Bomba the Germans had provided
benches inside the little gas chamber for the ladies and their children
to sit on. We're not told how many benches. There could have been 17
individual ones, but more likely Bomba would have said -- if Lanzmann
had thought to ask him -- that there were maybe four or five, half a
dozen perhaps. Two or more ladies with their kids could have sat on each
bench. No matter how you slice it, traffic is picking up. Seventeen
barbers, the benches for 17, and now the 17 women and their kids are all
there together inside the gas chamber, which is about the size of a
small bedroom in the rear of an ordinary tract house -- and the hair is
flying. But we re not finished yet:
Lanzmann: "You said there were about sixteen . . . [Lanzmann has
forgotten that Bomba makes the seventeenth] . . . barbers? You cut the
hair of how many women in a one batch?" 
Bomba: "In one day there was about, I would say, going into that place
between sixty and seventy women in the same room at one time." 
You might think that Claude Lanzmann is about to express some doubt
about how Bomba is blocking out this scene for him. Sixty to seventy
naked women in the 12-square-foot room. Lanzmann isn't going to express
doubt, however, about anything told to him by a survivor. Lanzmann is a
Holocaust fundamentalist. The role of the fundamentalist in any cult is
to accept absolutely the testimony of those who claim to have been
eyewitnesses to the original sacred event. Once the original story is
made to fly, the most elegant minds can elaborate on it endlessly in
good faith. 

Two thousand years ago there were Jews who believed utterly that the son
of their God had been nailed to a pole and executed and that he rose
>from  his tomb to sail off the planet into the heavens. That tale was a
runaway hit. Now we have Jews everywhere committed to the proposition
that millions of them were exterminated in itty-bitty gas chambers, were
cremated, and rose up toward the heavens in smoke. This one has all the
signs of becoming a real blockbuster too. We Gentiles used to be made of
sterner stuff. It took the Jesus story more than three hundred years to
be accepted as Truth by the State. In our own time the State bought the
Holocaust story at the first screening. 

What was the rush, one wonders? 

Lanzmann urged Bomba to say something more about how he felt as he went
about preparing the women and their children to be exterminated.
Something more perhaps than the homely: "I felt that accordingly I got
to do what they told me, to cut their hair . . . ."
Bomba: "I tell you something. To have a feeling about that . . . It was
very hard to feel anything . . . your feelings disappeared, you were
dead. You had no feeling at all.
This is a universal response by eyewitnesses to the alleged gas chamber
murders. The claim Bomba makes that his feelings were "dead," that he
had "no feeling at all," resembles the "temporary insanity" claim
murderers use to diminish their responsibility for their behavior in the
eye of the State. The ordinary murderer claims that his mental process
was so diminished at the time he murdered that he was not responsible
for his act. The eyewitness to the alleged gas chamber murders claims
that his sensibilities were so diminished while he worked as a link in
the murder process that he was not responsible for his behavior. The
murderer was out of his "mind," while gas-chamber eyewitnesses ran out
of "feeling." When Bomba describes himself as being inwardly "dead' he
is saying that he cannot be judged guilty of being an accomplice to mass
murder. He can accuse Germans of whatever he likes -- participate in the
crimes he accuses them of -- yet remain forever innocent while Germans
remain forever guilty. It's a nice set-up. 

In the film Bomba goes on to illustrate how dead he was inwardly while
working for the SS at Treblinka. He describes how he shared the hair
>from  women he knew personally from his home town, from his own street:
". . . and some of them were my close friends." They would ask Abe:
"What's going to happen to us?" But Abe would hold his tongue. With Abe
it was just snip, snip, snip. "What could you tell them?," he asks
Lanzmann. "What could you tell?" 

Snip, snip, snip. 

Now Bomba relate to Lanzmann the story that reviewers have remarked on
more than any other in Shoah. ()
Bomba A friend of mine worked as a barber -- he was good barber in my
hometown -- when his wife and his sister came into the gas chamber . . .
. I can't. It's too horrible. Please. 
Lanzmann: "We have to do it. You know it." 
Bomba: (holding back tears) "I won't be able to do it." 
Lanzmann: (very quietly) "You have to do it. I know it's very hard. I
know and I apologize." 
Bomba : (struggling) "Don't make me go on, please." 
Lanzmann: "Please. We must go on." 
Bomba: (unable to control tears, leaving the frame for a moment,
returning) "I told you it's going to be very hard. They were taking that
. . . [hair] . . . in bags and transporting it to Germany." 
Lanzmann: "Okay, go ahead. What was his answer when his wife and sister
came?" 
Bomba: "They tried to talk to him and the husband of his sister. They
could not tell him this was the last time they stay alive, because
behind them was the German Nazis, SS, and they knew that if they said a
word, not only the wife and the woman, who were dead already, but also
they would share the same thing with them. In a way, they tried to do
the best for them, with a second longer, a minute longer, just to hug
them and kiss them, because they knew they would never see them again." 
To tell the truth, this is my kind of story, simple and lurid. There is
also some new information in it. In addition to the 60 to 70 women and
their kids, and the barbers and the benches, there were also "SS men"
inside the 12-foot by 12-foot gas chamber. We don't know how many, but
as Bomba speaks in the plural he must mean that there were at least two.
If Lanzmann had thought to ask him about it, Bomba might have said that
there were 10 or 15 SS men in there. And then there is the welcome news
that the SS would allow the Barbers to hug and kiss certain of the naked
women inside the gas chamber. Bomba speaks only of married couples.
Lanzmann might have asked perhaps how the SS were able to identify which
of the naked women were married to which of the barbers. It must be
doubtful that the naked women entered the gas chamber carrying their
marriage certificates. Maybe the barbers had previously petitioned the
SS to keep their own copies of their marriage certificates on the chance
that just such a reunion as Bomba claims he witnessed would take place.
On the other hand, maybe the SS men took the barber's word for who was
married and who wasn't. If they did, it would betray a generosity of
spirit that is not usually ascribed to the SS by Jewish survivors. 

Imagine trying to visualize this scene from the wife's point of view.
Try imagining what might have gone through her mind at the moment she
spied her husband. The hope that must have jumped in her heart. Then
what her thoughts were as her husband sheared off her heir without
speaking to her. Imagine what she must have felt as he held her silently
for a minute or so, his cheek pressed lovingly against her scalp, then
turned with scissors and comb to the next patient lady waiting her turn.
Did his wife run her fingers over her skull and think: 

"Ah, I've always known what kind of man you are. A schmuck when I
married you and a schmuck today." 

There are a number of observations that can be made about my
presentation of Lanzmann's presentation of Bomba's testimony. It could
be observed that while Rachel Auerbach's research suggests that Bomba is
inventing his gas chamber story out of whole cloth, it can still be
claimed that we are left with Auerbach's scholarly outline of the
alleged Treblinka gas chambers. Therefore, while Bomba's investigations
may destroy his own credibility as a witness, the Treblinka gas chamber
story itself remains as it was, an extensively documented story of a
weapon used to annihilate about a million Jews. To give you a quick fix
on Ms. Auerbach's scholarly instincts and her even-handed objectivity, I
will quote from her famous essay "In the Fields of Treblinka." 

As I read such passages in Rachel Auerbach's essay I take the trouble to
remind myself that after the war was she was "one of the first active
members of the Jewish Historical Committee in Poland;" that after
emigrating to Israel she became a "permanent research staff member of
the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial Museum," and that this In-the-Fields-
of-Treblinka essay was thought worthy of reprinting as recently as 1979
by The Holocaust Library, which was found and is managed by survivors
themselves and is distributed by a major Jewish publishing house,
Shocken Books.
Polish people still talk about the way soap was manufactured from the
bodies of Jews. 'Sent away for soap!' was the expression the Poles would
use when they spoke of transports to Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor. The
discovery of Professor Spanner's soap factory in Langfuhr near Danzig
proved that their suspicious had been well founded. Witnesses tell us
that when the corpses were burned on pyres, pans would be placed beneath
the racks to catch the fat as it ran off, but this has not been
confirmed. But even if the Germans in Treblinka or at any of the other
death factories failed to do this, and allowed so many tons of precious
fat to go to waste, it could only have been an oversight on their part.
They were fully capable of doing things like that. It was entirely in
keeping with their proclivities. Only the newness of this branch of
manufacturing was to blame for this omission. If the Germans ever would
make another drive across Europe, they would not make this mistake
again.
Professors Spanner's "soap factory" in Langfuhr near Danzing was
apparently an invention of active members of self-proclaimed Jewish
historical committees, based upon the entrepreneurial reports of
professional slanderers, and has since been kept alive by research
staffs at Jewish Holocaust memorials around the world. A photograph of
this "factory," with no documentation, appears in the scholarly
Encyclopedia Judacia, published in Israel and shelved in many of the
larger libraries across the United states. 

Polish Jews such as Rachel Auerbach witnessed Germans destroying their
culture. They witnessed Germans tearing apart Jewish families during the
titanic, brutal resettlement programs. Those Jews can be forgiven their
credulity and even some of their hatred, expressed in their eagerness to
believe every accusation made against Germans, no matter how corrupt.
Americans, however, who suffered nothing of what European Jews suffered
at the hands of Germans, have little right to indulge themselves with
it. Which brings me to Mr. George Will, Washington Post columnist and
ABC Television commentator. 

I am willing to accept Mr. Will's own assessment of himself. He is a
brilliant and principled man. I disagree with some of his viewpoints,
particularly with his obsessive-compulsive attachment to the state of
Israel, but I can't show that attachment to be morally wrong. As luck
would have it, Mr. Will has written a column about Shoah where he makes
a remarkable observation.
The most stunning episode in this shattering film lasts about five
minutes and involves 'only' the talk of a barber now in Israel. While he
clips the hair of a customer he talks, never needing to raise his voice
to be heard over the small sounds of a familiar ambiance. He describes
his duties in Treblinka, cutting hair from naked women on the threshold
of the gas chamber, and the day a fellow barber saw his wife and sister
enter the room. ()
Remarkable, eh? Cutting hair from naked women on the "threshold" of the
gas chamber. Do you see it? The threshold is the place directly below
the door to a room. A door sill perhaps. An entrance or a doorway.
According to Mr. Webster it is a "place or point of beginning." Taking
Mr. Will's own obvious assessment of himself, he is the proud possessor
of a formidably organized intellect. A man who always distinguishes
carefully between similar but different points of fact. While doing so
enrages those lesser men who cannot do it themselves, it gives Mr. Will
a lot of pleasure, which is why he does it so regularly. That being so,
what am I to make of the fact that Mr. Will has changed the wording of
Mr. Bomba's testimony?
Lanzmann: "Excuse me. How did it happen when the women came into the gas
chamber? Were you yourself already in the gas chamber?" 
Bomba: "I said we were already in the gas chamber, waiting over there
for the transport to come in. Inside the gas chamber -- we were already
in." 
If Mr. Bomba swears that he was inside the gas chamber at that
particular time, why does Mr. Will write that he barbed those naked
women on the "threshold" of the gas chamber? Mr. Bomba can be seen on
film saying that he was inside the gas chamber when he did it. In the
text of the film published by Mr. Lanzmann, Mr. Bomba again insists he
was inside the thing. What happened in Mr. Will's brain as he wrote
"threshold" rather than "inside" or "in?" Is it possible that Mr. Will
found Mr. Bomba's story ludicrous? He wouldn't want to say so publicly
of course as Mr. Will is one of our brightest and best Holocaust
fundamentalists. Nevertheless, having the kind of relentlessly rational
mind that he does, something at the bottom of it might not have bought
Mr. Bomba's story the way Mr. Will would have preferred to buy it. Maybe
a single wire got crossed in the depths of Mr. Will's brain, out of the
millions that are twisted around in there. Maybe Mr. Will wanted to
express some doubt about Mr. Bomba's story but could not bring himself
to do it. He may have been in that peculiar place where writers
sometimes find themselves -- smart enough to know that something needs
to be said but without enough character to go ahead and say it. When
this happens it causes a psychological malfunction known as writer's
block. Mr. Will isn't the sort to be bothered with writer's block, he
has the habit of full production, but if he wasn't going to spill the
beans he had to turn somewhere. It looks like he turned to invention. I
suppose in the moment it was easy enough for a man wired the way Mr.
Will is wired to invent a threshold image and use it to replace the one
Mr. Bomba invented. You can judge how much more intelligent Mr. Will is
than Mr. Bomba when you compare the rationality of their two opposing
visualizations. 

Now that Mr. Will had Mr. Bomba on the threshold of the gas chamber
rather than inside it, Mr. Will could go on indulging his fantasy about
Mr. Lanzmann's Shoah. As the threshold to an exterior door not only
leads inside, but turning about leads to the great outdoors and indeed
to the survivors who claim to have actually seen a homicidal poison gas
chamber. In this scenario, as the eyewitness testimony is not allowed to
be challenged, the genocide theory can not be challenged either, and if
that is so then European Jews had every right to conquer Palestine and
the U.S. Government is morally obligated to protect forever the Israeli
State. That is the line that has been spoon-fed to American so
successfully for 40 years now. Mr. Will's threshold caper is a small
example of how our intellectual elites accept the use of invention on
the one hand and the suppression of good sense on the other to bolster a
world view that is based, incredibly, on a handful of stories told by a
handful of Abraham Bombas. 

I believe the worldwide Jewish community is being betrayed by the
coupling of such men as Abraham Bomba and George Will. Jews are being
betrayed by their own spokesmen, and they are being betrayed by gentiles
who profess to be friends and allies of the Jewish community but who in
reality are merely supporters of a Zionist leadership, entrapped by the
rhetoric of the Holocaust Lobby, too ashamed to reveal the immense fraud
and falsehood on which so much of its influence has been built.
Notes
Kapo: German for "trustee".
Shoah: An Oral History of the Holocaust, by Claude Lanzmann. Pantheon
Books. New York, 1985. Unless otherwise noted, all the passages quoted
in this article are from the Pantheon Books edition, pages 111-117.
The Death Camp Treblinka, Ed. by Alexander Donat, Holocaust Library (New
York, 1979). See Rachael Auerbach's contribution, In The Fields of
Treblinka.
The parenthetical descriptions of Bomba's reactions here are not in the
published text. I have added them from memory. While I watched the film
I could not help but be touched by Bomba's sincere distress. His tears
brought tears to my own eyes. At the same time I was aware of what a
laugh I thought his story is. A nice irony for the psychotherapists.
The Washington Post (Nov 15, 1985)



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In article , Jamie
McCarthy  writes
>Jeff Roberts  wrote:
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>> >"Geheime Reichssache" (secret reich affair) which looks very 
>> >much like a security classification to me...
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>> AFAIK :-
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>> This is slimilar to 'restricted' found on all army documents, the lowest
>> level. 
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>> As Irving says it's a 'janatorial' level of classification.
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>Mr. Roberts, please repeat that so we don't misunderstand.  Are you saying
>that "Geheime Reichssache" was the security classification found on all
>army documents?
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LABOUR PLEDGE TO LEGISLATE AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL

A Labour government will act to make Holocaust denial a criminal 
offence, Opposition leaders pledged this week.

The announcement, made at the party's Blackpool conference, was the 
culmination of a lengthy campaign by Jewish groups including the Board

of Deputies, the Holocaust Education Trust and Poale Zion.

Shadow Home Secretary Jack Straw confirmed that a motion committing a 
Labour government to such a law - due to be discussed yesterday - had 
the backing of the entire leadership.

This was underlined by Shadow Foreign Secretary Robin cook, who told a

Labour Friends of Israel fringe meeting: "For two years, there has 
been a debate over whether to make it a crime to deny the Holocaust. 
Now Jack Straw has made it clear that we will.

"The way to make sure it [a Holocaust] never happens again is to make 
sure we never forget it."

Mr. Straw described the prospective legislation as a "much-needed 
measure" in a conference discussion with Ivan Lewis, the Labour 
candidate for Bury South. 

Labour's intended law would reverse the Tory government's policy. Home

Secretary Michael Howard has repeatedly turned down calls to introduce

such legislation, arguing it would restrict freedom of speech and 
could increase racial tension.

The Blackpool conference continued the party's courting of the Jewish 
community. Tony Blair led almost the entire Shadow Cabinet at LFI's 
fringe meeting, which drew more than 500 people.

In his address, Mr Blair said the Jewish community's principles were 
"precisely those things for which Labour stands today... The renewal 
of our ties with the communties is one of the best things that has 
happened to us."
"

(Source: (UK) Jewish Chronicle, No. 6650, October 4, 1996).

End Quote:



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In article <53qtbg$1pi@access3.digex.net>, "Michael P. Stein"
 writes
>In article ,
>Jeffrey   wrote:
>>
>>The Franks had been arrested and had been taken away.......
>>
>>What happened next? Who found the "diary" [actually written by her dad]?
>
>    The diary has been authenticated by forensic testing, and Jeff has
>been told that the diary has been authenticated by forensic testing.  The
>diary was edited for publication by her father, but that is not the same
>thing. 
>
>    Jeff Roberts has lied, and that is a charge I do not make lightly. 
>
>    Posted/emailed.

No, I haven't.

For some reason [maybe the number of postings] the Turnpike software not
only truncated many of my posts, as is evident by refering to those
posts of mine at this time, when the text is clearly missing, but also
managed to send out pre-edits.

The finished version of the above version of the line 

>>What happened next? Who found the "diary" [actually written by her dad]?
 
should actually read :- 

"what happened next? Who found the "diary"? [IMHO actually written by
her dad?]"

As for the diary being "authenticated" by forsenic testing, this means
nothing. 

So was KATYN.



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In article <543b7u$5io@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves
 writes
>kurtstel@micron.net writes:
>>Yep.  Now England has Jewish thoughtcrime laws.  Chalk yet -another- one
>>up for the Jewish Big Brother.  
>
>Um... Kurtzi? Jeffy was quoting an article mentioning a campaign promise.
>Not a law; not even a bill. Since we have no text to look at, how do you
>know the law that doesn't exist punishes "thoughtcrimes"?
>
>-rich

Yes, Mr Graves is correct it is not law, YET.

Actually, AFAIR, Rich, the Uk could have had "laws against holocaust
denial", sometime ago,  - passed by the EU, despite the opposition of
our Home Secretary, Michael Howard, [who is incidentally himself a jew]


Afaik, the "law against Holocaust denial" lost out to the Mad cow
episode.

{John Major was having a tantrum about the Germans sensibly not buying
beef from cows which had ate diseased sheeps brains. John Major then
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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: GERMANS USE JETS TO DROWN OUT JEWISH SCREAMS IN "GAS CHAMBERS"
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In article <3262BE2E.6C48@rio.com>, Chuck Ferree  writes
>Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
>Most of us 

ie the exterminationalist nutters, especially Chuck who openly admits
that he would have tortured German soldiers.

>have viewed the so-called 

why 'so called'


>aerial photos (renderings) and 
>IHHO it's a waste of time for the following reasons:

translation : they had been altered by the holocaust hate propagandists
to prove "gassings" and have been pulled apart by revisionists, and are
now presented as evidence by revisionists, and it's knocking a huge
story in the gas chamber propaganda nonsense, so let's rubbish them.

>
>None of us, as far as I know have either the equipment nor the needed 
>expertise to interpret genuine aerial photos. Even the best equipment 
>needs experts to read and understand what they "believe" the photos 
>show them. 

How about an air photo interpreter? Would he have the expertise?
Somebody like John Ball, in fact.


>A case in point: a short personal experience: In early 1945, still 
>winter and cold, miserable weather, a photo squadron from the Ninth 
>Air Force, flying specially equipted P-38 Fighter planes, turned up 
>some funny marks on the German Autobauhn. The photo lab had not seen 
>these black marks before, so the photo planes were sent out to run 
>miles of the German Freeways. As the photo crews worked trying to 
>figure out what these short black marks were in the concrete, usually 
>near wooded areas and usually with four or five thousand feet of 
>fairly straight road, they decided that the marks appeared to be just 
>like the black streaks made by airplane tires upon landing. 
>The result of these experts making this interpretation, lead our 
>commading officers to send a full squadron of B-26 Medium Bombers, 16 
>airplanes with six tons of HE bombs each, escorted by a full squadron 
>of P-47 Fighter Bombers, 16 airplanes each with two 1,000 HE bombs, 
>and 3500 rounds of .50 caliber ammunition. The bombers dropped their 
>bombs all along the areas where the marks had appeared, blowing up 
>many sites where the Germans had hidden their Jets ME-262s, and had 
>been using the Autobauhn as a runway. Flying a P-47, I followed my 

Air photo experts decided CORRECTLY that the Germans were using roads a
runaways, by judging black streaks as skidmarks.  


>flight-leader and the 16 fighter-bombers strafed and bombed deeper 
>into the woods. We set many fires, blew up many fuel dumps and 
>destroyed a number of valuable enemy aircraft. All this because our 
>photos were good, the readers were good, and we were able to put it 
>all together. 
>So when people like some of those who question aerial photos of 
>Auschwitz, and try to use what they think they see to make decisions 
>of what happened there, or when something happened there, or this 
>shadow means this, that black mark means that, they really aren't 
>qualified to interpret what they believe the see. Then for the 

John Ball, an air photo interpreter, not qualified?
[I expect a smear campaign to discredit Mr Ball]

>deniers, Moran and others to try and persuade others that the photos 
>tell them something is simply fallacious.
>
>Chuck Ferree

Tom, this means there could be 2 explanations of the black marks on top
of the morgue next to Krema III on the September 13th 1944, air photo.

Explanation No 1) John Ball, an air photo interpreter.
Something drawn on the photos to appear as vents by holocaust hate
propagandists, but are far too wide, inconsistent with that on the
ground etc 

The logical inference from Chuck's article. No 2) 

The black marks on the roof of the morgue next to Krema III are actually
'Skid marks' caused by the Germans landing their Jets on the morgues to
drown out the screams of the jews, who are being "gassed" to death by
the Nazis, who have thrown a commonly used fumigant, through solid
concrete.

Does this mean that the Nazis had run out of Wagner records?



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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: "Postulate a dubious theory" (was GERMANS USE JETS TO DROWN OUT JEWISH SCREAMS IN "GAS CHAMBERS"
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In article <326be6d5.36983977@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris
 writes
>Jeffrey  wrote:
>
>>In article <3262BE2E.6C48@rio.com>, Chuck Ferree  writes
>>>Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
>>>Most of us 
>
>>ie the exterminationalist nutters, especially Chuck who openly admits
>>that he would have tortured German soldiers.
>
>>>have viewed the so-called 
>
>>why 'so called'
>
>>>aerial photos (renderings) and 
>>>IHHO it's a waste of time for the following reasons:
>
>>translation : they had been altered by the holocaust hate propagandists
>
>See below for Mr. Roberts' complaints about smearing aerial photo
>experts.
>
>>to prove "gassings" and have been pulled apart by revisionists, and are
>>now presented as evidence by revisionists, and it's knocking a huge
>>story in the gas chamber propaganda nonsense, so let's rubbish them.
>>
>>>
>>>None of us, as far as I know have either the equipment nor the needed 
>>>expertise to interpret genuine aerial photos. Even the best equipment 
>>>needs experts to read and understand what they "believe" the photos 
>>>show them. 
>>
>>How about an air photo interpreter? Would he have the expertise?
>>Somebody like John Ball, in fact.
>
>Or like Dino Brugioni who first discovered and analysed the photos.

And when were these Air photos released? Was it because ONLY Butz drew
attention to them, that they ever were? 1977? is that right? All this
vindication of Holocaust hate propaganda left unseen for 30 years......

draw your own conclusions, lurkers...

>
>At this point, it comes down to the credibility of the respective air
>photo experts.
>
>On the one hand we have John Ball, a geologist, who may have spent his
>career analysing aerial photos in search of mineral deposits but who
>must certainly postulate a dubious theory of a massive conspiracy to
>perpetrate a "Holocaust hoax" if his analyses of the Auschwitz aerial
>photos are to make any sense.

"must certainly postulate a dubious theory of a massive conspiracy"

Notice how Mr Morris draws up the rules of engagement......

Mr Morris, WHY must Mr Ball "postulate a dubious theory of a massive
conspiracy"?

is it to :-

1) get a lot of money?

2) to arselick up to the ruling establishment, like Ken Mcvay?

3) to promote hate aginst the jews?

4) to indulge himself in a campaign of hatred of himself by pulling
abuse and hatred on himself like Fred Leuchter?

5) to pass the time of day because he is bored?

6) to be bloody minded, liking to say yea when all else say nay?

7) to tell the truth, which doesn't happen to agree with the Orthodox
view? 

8) because he is fed up in hearing crematoria descibed as incinerators,
one day, and "blast furnaces" the next?

9) because he is just completely pissed off of being yoked to the jewish
cart?

10) something else


Please explain why....


If you really want me to argue according to your terms then you must
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Subject: Re: GERMANS USE JETS TO DROWN OUT JEWISH SCREAMS IN "GAS CHAMBERS"
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In article , Mark Van Alstine
 writes
>In article , Jeffrey
> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> How about an air photo interpreter? Would he have the expertise?
>> Somebody like John Ball, in fact.
>
>Really? Is this the same John Ball who, in _Air Photo Evidence_, labeled the
>greenbelt around Krema II the perimeter fence? 

And what page number is that on, Mr Van Alst? 
Please give references in future.

[snip]
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


"Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago, mentions the case
of the Bavarian Jupp Aschenbrenner, whom the Russians  persuaded to sign
a slimilar decalaration that he had worked on wartime gas vans, but
Aschenbrenner was later to prove that, at the time he had supposely
worked on the vans, he was actually in Munich studying to be an electric
welder."

p198 Hoax of the twentieth century by AR Butz.
available from the:-
  
Institute of Historical Review
Post Office Box 2739 
Newport Beach, California 92659 

Get it before it is banned.

"Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago, mentions the case of the 
Bavarian Jupp Aschenbrenner, whom the Russians  persuaded to sign a slimilar 
decalaration that he had worked on wartime gas vans, but Aschenbrenner was 
later to prove that, at the time he had supposely worked on the vans, he was
actually in Munich studying to be an electric welder."

p198 Hoax of the twentieth century by AR Butz.
available from the:-
  
Institute of Historical Review
Post Office Box 2739 
Newport Beach, California 92659 

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In article , Mark Van Alstine
 writes
>In article , Jeffrey
> wrote:
>
>> In article , Mark Van Alstine
>>  writes
>> >In article , Jeffrey
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >> How about an air photo interpreter? Would he have the expertise?
>> >> Somebody like John Ball, in fact.
>> >
>> >Really? Is this the same John Ball who, in _Air Photo Evidence_, labeled the
>> >greenbelt around Krema II the perimeter fence? 
>> 
>> And what page number is that on, Mr Van Alst? 
>> Please give references in future.
>> 
>
>========================================================================
>
>Subject:      Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
>From:         mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine)
>Date:         1996/09/25
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>
>[snip]
>
>Mr. Allen, you have "misinterpreted" the photo yet again. This is becoming
>a regular habit with you, it seems. You have "confused" Krema II's
>electrified perimeter fence with what Mr. Ball incorrectly labels a fence.
>That this is the case is readily seen if one were to examines Photo 17 bis
>(Pressac, _Technique_, p.341), taken in the summer of 1943, which clearly
>shows the perimeter fence of Krema II to extend to the sewage basin, right
>up to an access road. (Warning track?)

Yes, that what Ball shows.

>
>Compare this to the May 31, 1944, photo of Krema II (Ball, _Air Photo
>Evidence_, p.39). One can see, in the air photo, a dark "fence" that, just
>as you claim, extends only about three-fourths the way around Krema II.
>The problem with this picture is, of course, that this dark "fence" does
>not come anywhere close to the sewage basin. In fact, this "fence" extends
>only to the end of L.Keller 1, or about two-thirds the way from Krema II
>to the access road and sewage basin. 

Correct.

>
>Evidence of Mr. Ball's duplicity and it appears, perhaps, your
>gullibility, Mr. Allen, starts on page 46 of _Air Photo Evidence_. Mr.
>Ball's annotation of this dark "fence" reads: "marks looking like fences
>around crematorium 1 and 2."  Mr. Ball goes on to make an issue over this
>on page 48, where he tries to show that this "fence" has been _drawn_ on
>the negatives (!) because it is not the same between the May 31 and August
>25 air photos. And on page 62 he remarks, in reference to this dark fence
>that, "The crematoria were surrounded by high fences." Clearly, Mr. Ball
>is saying that this dark "fence" is the _perimeter_ fence surrounding
>Krema II. 

Mr Van Alstine says that "Clearly, Mr Ball is saying that this dark
"fence" is the _perimeter fence_ surrounding Krema II."


NO, HE IS NOT. 


Page 62 shows a photo of Krema II as taken on May 31st 1944. 


The notes are on the left of the page: The photo is on the right:

And says : from the top

*Start*

Chapter 5.8

Two crematoriums at Birkenau - Eye witness accusations


Allegations of eye witnesses


The crematoria end of the camp 
was surrounded by a special 
security system.                   
[with a pointer to the photo- JR]


The crematoria were surrounded by 
high fences.
[with a pointer  - pointed to the western edge of the fence around Krema
II. The pointer points to the correct position of where the western edge
of the perimeter fence was, which has been obscured by the thick mark
drawn on the photo. -JR]

Thousands a day walked into 
underground rooms to be executed
[pointer to photo -JR]

Gas pellets were inserted through 
four roof vents to kill the people
[pointer to drawn on vents - JR]

Enough coal or wood to burn the bodies
was transported to the yard
and piled
[pointer to yard - JR]

Thousands of bodies were burned
each day in the crematoria ovens
[pointer to photo -JR]

Black smoke rose out of the
crematory chimmey
[pointer to photo -JR]

In the summer of 1944 bodies were 
constantly burned in large pits
behind some of the crematoriums
[pointer to photo -JR]

After viewing air photos on the next 3 pages
  these accusations will be answered: 

Photo 1 -may 31, '44.

*end*


According to Mr Van Alsts "logic", Mr Ball is also asserting that
"Thousands a day walked into underground rooms to be executed"
"Gas pellets were inserted through four roof vents to kill the people"
"Thousands of bodies were burned each day in the crematoria ovens"



CLEARLY MR BALL IS REFERING TO EYEWITNESSES ALLEGATIONS.


>
>Just as clearly, Mr. Ball is wrong. As you are, Mr. Allen. Whatever this
>dark "fence" was, it was _not_ the perimeter fence. 


Mr Ball says that the dark "fence" is a mark made on the photo.
[this happens to be marked over the actual perimeter fence in some
cases]

>
>[snip]
>
>========================================================================
>
>In regards to what the "fence" in question _really_ was, it was a
>"greenbelt" of plants/shrubs etc. erected/planted around the Krema to
>obscure the fact that people were entering L.Keller 2 and not coming out
>alive. 
>
>From a letter in rference to a conversation between Ho"ss and Bischoff,
>dated November 6, 1943:
>
>"By the order of Camp Commandant SS Lietenant Colonel Hoess, Krematorien I
>[II} and II [III] in the POW camp are to be provided with a ring of
>greenery to constitute a natural seperation from the rest of the camp...."
>(cf. Pressac, _Technique_, p.250.) 

On page 45, Mr Van Alsts so-called "greenbelt" includes a "gate" to
Krema II as Mr Ball shows. This clearly shows that the "fence" is not a
"greenbelt". The "fence" is clearly a mark, as Mr Ball proves.  
Consequently Mr Van Alst is WRONG AGAIN.

>
>Evidently, it seems that Mr. Allen is not the only "gullible" denier
>around. Welcome to the club, Jeffrey! You may leave your brains at the
>door. Now you and Mr. Allen go play in your denier sandbox like good
>little Nazi propagandists....

"Gullible denier", 
"leave your brains at the door", 
"play in your denier sandbox"
"good little Nazi propagandists"


ABUSE: the hallmark of the holocaust hate propagandists.

Mark van Alst is good at it, especially self-abuse.




Judge for yourself: -


AIR PHOTO EVIDENCE by John Ball 

is available from:-

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CANADA

[175 photos, 116 pages $20.00]


or see John Ball on the Web at http://www.air-photo.com 


"Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago, mentions the case of the 
Bavarian Jupp Aschenbrenner, whom the Russians  persuaded to sign a slimilar 
decalaration that he had worked on wartime gas vans, but Aschenbrenner was 
later to prove that, at the time he had supposely worked on the vans, he was
actually in Munich studying to be an electric welder."

p198 Hoax of the twentieth century by AR Butz.
available from the:-
  
Institute of Historical Review
Post Office Box 2739 
Newport Beach, California 92659 

Get it before it is banned.

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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: Free music lessons at Buchenwald
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In article <53th8j$k6c@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, Gord McFee
 writes
>Several "revisionists" have been trying to imply lately that Buchenwald was a
>sort of summer camp.  The commander of Treblinka, who had been at Buchenwald,
>taught the "boys" there a little ditty he had remembered from his days in
>peaceful old Buchenwald.  Listen to these lovely and warming words:
>
>[begin quote]
>
>Suchomel:  "Looking squarely ahead, brave and joyous,
>            at the world,
>            the squads march to work.
>            All that matters now is Treblinka.
>            It is our destiny.
>            That's why we've become one with Treblinka
>            in no time at all.
>            We know only the word of our commander,
>            we know only obedience and duty,
>            we want to serve, to go on serving,
>            until a little luck ends it all.  Hurray!"
>
>Lanzmann:  Once more, but louder!
>
>Suchomel:  We're laughing about it, but it's so sad!
>
>Lanzmann:  No one's laughing.
>
>Suchomel:  Don't be sore at me.  You want history -- I'm giving you
>history. Franz 

[Franz who?] 

>wrote the words.  The melody came from Buchenwald.  Camp
>Buchenwald, where
>Franz 

[franz who?]

>was a guard.  New Jews who arrived in the
>morning, new "worker Jews," were taught the song.  And by evening they
>had to be able to sing along with it.

Have you quoted this correctly? The words from "Franz wrote the words"
to "where Franz was a guard", seem a bit odd. Why is Franz Suchomel
speaking of "Franz" and not saying "I"? 

>
>[end quote]
>
>Franz Suchomel as interviewed by Claude Lanzmann.
>
>

Free music lessons. What's wrong with that?

Franz Suchomel - that's the same guy who mentioned "Wolsec" in his
"confession" as posted by dan keren. Rudi Hoess, the Auschwitz
commander, also mentioned "wolsek". Of course when caught out Dan Keren,
pathetically tried to pass it off as Belzec. 

Another person mentions a non-existant camp, correlating Hoess's
"confession".

Hoess voluntarily confessed to gassing 2 million jews to the British.
Hoess then confessed to the Yankees to gassing millions of Jews at 3
camps, in 1941, which he signed.

[In reality, the facts are as follows, 
Hoess 'voluntarily' confession to the british was the result of almost
being beaten to death. In the 'confession' to the yankees, the numbers
are totally wrong, the Camp "Wolsek" is non-existant, the year is wrong,
and he spelt his own name in the English idiom.] 

Par for the course.


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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: IRVING TO CHALLENGE HOLOCAUST HATE PROPAGANDISTS
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I hope my fellow Old brentwoodian Jack Straw does introduce legislation
to make it a criminal offence subject to a two-year jail sentence to
question the Holocaust. That will bring everything out into the open. I
shall claim the honour of being the first prosecuted by repeating the
words for which I was fined £13,300 in Munich, banned from German
territory and world war archives, namely: "The gas chamber shown to the
tourists at Auschwitz is a fake built after the war by the Polish
communists."
I assume a British court will permit us to call witnesses and evidence
which the German courts denied us.
(The Polish authorities have since admitted that the structure in
question was built in 1948).

David Irving
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(From the Sunday Times 20 October 1996)


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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: Re: Why So Many Crematoriums?
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:50:27 +0100
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In article , Daniel Keren
 writes
>A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) writes:
># dkeren@world.std.com "Daniel Keren" writes:
> 
>## Any answers here? Any "revisionist" know of other "work camps"
>## with five huge crematoriums?

Auschwitz-Birkenau had 46 retorts,  in 2 large crematoriums, and 2
smaller ones.
Auschwitz 1 had 6 retorts.

> 
># Auschwitz was a complex of forty-five camps; the crematoria were
># used for the surrounding area as well. 

Like Raisko for example where a rubber plant was cultivated.

>
>Source? 
>
>How many people were in all these camps combined?
>
># Somebody posted a while back that many cities have mortuary and 
># similar facilities far more extensive than they need.
>
>20 times more than they need? 
>
>Also, are you comparing a country that had to cut down on expenses, 
>during war time, to modern cities?
>
>Assume that each muffle could cremate only 15 corpses a day (a
>serious underestimate). That's still 52*15*360 = 280,800 corpses
>per year.




A over-estimate.
Ivan Lagace who was given expert status at the Zundel trial stated the
46 retorts could cremate a max number of 184 a day.  
[This of course is the max number. The numbers per day were probuably
much lower. After all, people don't drive their cars at the greatest
possible speed, at all times.] 

Butz in a study of the cremation capacity showed that actually Auschwitz
complex had a lower ratio of muffles/retorts than Buchenwald and Dachau.


per thousand deaths


Year   Auschwitz Buchenwald Dachau
retorts   52          6        6

1942    1.14       2.07     2.43     
1943    1.41       1.71     5.45

Butz [ibid p378]

>
>Where were all these corpses supposed to come from, considering
>Auschwitz-Birkenau never had more than a few tens-of-thousands
>of inmates?

In a report dated April 5 1944 on security measures, Pohl reported there
was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire complex of which 18,000 were
in hospital or diabled.
In Birkenau there was 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of which 15,000 wee
unable to work.
(Nuremburg document No-021. NMT green series VOl 5. pp 384-385) 

The provision of crematories which could handle about 200 max in a day,
is therefore not excessive.

 

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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: translation into Hebrew
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Can anybody supply a translation of the following in Hebrew for me?


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From: Jeffrey 
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Subject: A "massive" conspiracy? 
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In article <326a0c84.21260647@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris
 writes
>Jeffrey  wrote:
>
>>In article <326be6d5.36983977@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris
>> writes
>
>[snip]
>
>>>At this point, it comes down to the credibility of the respective air
>>>photo experts.
>
>>>On the one hand we have John Ball, a geologist, who may have spent his
>>>career analysing aerial photos in search of mineral deposits but who
>>>must certainly postulate a dubious theory of a massive conspiracy to
>>>perpetrate a "Holocaust hoax" if his analyses of the Auschwitz aerial
>>>photos are to make any sense.

This can be settled if the *original photos* are allowed to be viewed.
Of course, they won't be.  

Draw your own conclusions, lurkers.

>
>>"must certainly postulate a dubious theory of a massive conspiracy"
>
>>Notice how Mr Morris draws up the rules of engagement......
>
>That's "terms of the debate." And in fact I can set the terms of the
>debate any way I damned well please. You can argue with the terms of
>the debate if you wish, or, if you lack the capacity, merely complain
>about them. 

"any way I damned well please." 
"if you lack the capacity"

arrogance, insults. 

draw your conclusions, lurkers

>
>>Mr Morris, WHY must Mr Ball "postulate a dubious theory of a massive
>>conspiracy"?
>
>Because Holocaust denial must hypothesize that, in regards to the Nazi
>policy to exterminate the Jews, every witness is lying, 

Like a lot of them have proved to be


>every
>perpetrator placed himself in jeopardy by lying 

All the defendents at Nuremburg all pleaded NOT GUILTY. 


>or was tortured into
>confessing, 

Like Hoess, the Commandant of Auschwitz for example, or Josef Kramer,
etc

Robert Conquest, in his book "The Great Terror" describes the infamous
NKVD "conveyor", a method of interogation which unless the accused died,
[Gerstein?] was almost guaranteed to secure a confession within one
week. Prisoners would be interrogated continually by teams of
investigators, deprived of food and sleep, harangued, beaten and
humiliated until they signed or wrote their confessions. My grandfather
broke in the end, like all the others" - Owen Matthews writing of his
communist grandfather executed in Stalins purges. (times 30/9/96)

Like so many others under the communists...all unrevenged



>every document was forged, 

Like so many were, altered, or 'frigged' etc or if they were inconvient
they were burnt or destroyed, or purged from the file. etc etc
[see posting headed "documents"]

The document which shows that Hitler had postponed the Final solution is
now "missing". However the Staff Evidence analysis, proves that it
existed. 

Himmlers speech, some of the pages have been "retyped".

The Fabre report about the gas chamber in Natzweiler and the 
autopsy on bodies supposed to have been killed by Zyclon B [it proved
them untrue] has now "disappeared".
 
and so on, and so on

Draw your own conclusions, Lurkers

>and all historians are

rehashers, most of them :

>charlatans. I mean "every" and "all" quite literally: if even one
>document testifying to a policy to exterminate the Jews,

None have been found. Despite hundreds of thousands of documents
captured by the allies about Auschwitz.
Just like the missing Hitler "order".


> if even one
>SS guard really did pour Zyklon B crystals down an induction hole, if

ie through solid concrete like at Auschwitz

>even one killing squad report that distinguishes clearly between Jews
>and partisans--if even one of these things is accepted as true, the
>Revisionist theory must tumble like a house of cards.

I can remember reading Harwood when it first came out. Since then,
revisionism has gained in strength, while the holocaust hate
propagandists have been forced back from one position to another.
Consequently, the holocaust hate propagandists have been forced to
resort to more and more repression, to close down the "debate". They
must really hate the Internet. Already they are pushing for
"regulation", ie censorship. It seems that it is the holocaust hate
propaganda which is collapsing like a house of cards. 

Maybe Irving on trial in England, may help the process.....



****

In the Holocaust[tm] we now have the 'slimmed down' version. The version
without all the testimonies of steaming, elecution, of 'gas chambers'
where even holocaust hate propagandists say there were none, and of
latrine gossip, and wild rumours and so on. Or the "gas ovens" - what
exactly were they? Human soap stories, are no longer believed and so on.
All or a lot of these testimonies were given on oath. If accounts of
gassing at Ravensbruck are admitted to be false, then why should the
ones elsewhere be believed.   

By the same criteria, the Holocaust hate propaganda story falls down if
one document shows that the "final solution" was postponed by Hitler
till after the war. 

And there is one ....
The original document is "missing", but the Staff Evidence Analysis
shows it existed. Of course somebody like myself would think that the
allies got rid of it...... 


A important document goes missing...
Draw your own conclusions.....

>
>In order to maintain that an impropriety

Like Katyn, when the soviets manufactured a huge number of documents,
"produced" witnesses, executed 6 germans for the crime in Leningrad,
forged scientific evidence, coerced former delegates on the German
investigation to repent their testimony and so on and yet had murdered
the 4,000 polish officers, the other 10,000 are still "missing", and
then tried to erase the place from the map. 

Like all communist and allied crimes (Vinnitsa, Dresden, Webling, of the
500 guards in Dachau, and the rest) they have gone unpunished.

an "impropriety"

Like the Soviet commission which found that 4,000,000 people were killed
in Auschwitz, by the use of rectified co-efficents...
that 840,000 Russian Pows were killed by mobile crematoria at
Saschenhausen camp. [An SS man testified that this was "true". testimony
of Paul Waldmann [USSR-52]
A Soviet Commission established - that 46,500 peaceful citizens were
shot by the "Hiterites" in the Birkeneck Forest, near Riga.
Another Soviet commission established that 600,000 corpses were burned
in the crematoria, 300,000 corpses burnt on pyres in the Krempetz woods,
80,000 in the 2 old ovens, 400,000 corpses burned in pyres in the camp
of Maidenek.
Another soviet commission ascertained that in 34 graves in the
Blagovtschchina Woods, near Minsk the fascists exterminated up to
150,000 persons. 
Another soviet commission discovered in 80 graves in the Smolensk
district, the corpses of 150,000 soviet citizens.
Another soviet commission established the fact that the Germans shot 
over 200,000 people in the Lisenitz forest, near Lvov. 
Another soviet commission ascertained that the Germans shot over 11,000
Poles in various places in Poland and then transported them to be buried
in the Katyn forest near Smolensk, that the Germans had also shot 500
Russian POWs, who had been employed to bury more bodies there and plant
false evidence, and that the German fascists, had bribed, threatened,
and barbarously tortured Soviet citizens to obtain false testimony to
blame the Soviets.
This was proved by the depositions of over 100 witnesses questioned, the
data of the medico-legal experts, documents, material evidence and
belongings taken from the graves. 
The Hiterites generated human soap at the Danzig Anatomic Insitute.
In the Jewish Ghetto of Lvov from 7th Sept 1941 to 6 july 1943, over
133,000 persons were tortured and shot.
In the Ganov camp near Lvov, 200,000 peaceful citizens were
exterminated.
Deliberately infected people with typhus.
Deliberately poisoned the people of Geozgievsk, by order of Dr Baron Von
Heiman, by selling methylated spirit and oxalic acid as alcohol and soda
water.
In the Estonian SSR, shot tens of thousands of persons, 2,000 in one day
at camp Kloga.
In the Lithuania SSR, there were mass killings by the Hitlerites, at
least 100,000 at Panerai, more than 70,000 at Kaunas, about 60,000 in
Alitus , at Prenai more than 3,000, another 8,000 at Villiampol, 7,000
in Mariampol, in Trakai 37,640.
In the Latvian SSR, 577,000 were murdered.
In the Leningrad region, the hiterites shot and tortured over 172,000
persons.
In an anti-tank ditch close to the station at Mineraly Voda, and other
places in the Stavropol region, tens of thousands were exterminated.
In Pyatigorsk, many tortured and shot.
In Krasnodar, 6,700 civilians murdered by gas vans, or tortured and
shot.
In the Stalingrad area 40,000 persons tortured and killed. Over a
thousand bodies of local citizens found, having been tortured.
In Orel, 5000 were murdered.
In Novogorod region, many thousands, shot, starved or tortured.
In the Crimea, peaceful citizens were taken out on barges and drowned. 
Over 144,000 persons were exterminated in this manner.
In babi Yar, Kiev, over 100,000 people were shot.
In Kiev, the Germans killed over 195,000 persons.
In the Rovno region, over 100,000 peaceful citizens were killed and
tortured.
In Dnepropetrovsk, shot or threw alive 11,000 women, old men and
children.
In Kamenetz-Podolsk region, 31,000 Jews were shot.
In Odessa region, at least 200,000 citizens were killed.
In Kharkov, about 195,000 persons were tortured to death, shot or gassed
in gas vans.
Shot the population of Gomel, after torturing and tormenting them. 


All "proved" by the Soviets 

> on this scale could have
>taken place, Revisionists are forced to maintain that a massive
>conspiracy, a "hoax" as Arthur Butz insists, 


What revisonists say there was a massive conspiracy?


A "massive conspiracy" 

More likely - probuably the black propaganda/intelligence agencies of
the various allied governments and very senior politicians. 

Which explains why Churchill omitted mentioning "the Final Solution" in
"Triumph and Tragedy".


>involving several
>competing governments, 

- All united where it comes to Nazism.

>thousands of witnesses and perpetrators,

When Auschwitz inmates who testify to "gassings" are subjected to cross-
examination, they tend to turn to jelly. I think the first time it ever
happened was at the ZUndel trial. 

And we know how a number of "Confessions" were obtained.


>"powerful Jewish interests," 

Hardly likely to be critical of it. They have certainly milked it for
its' worth. Even to stop F-15 fighters going to Saudi Arabia.
It is powerful jewish interests in Britain, who are trying to make me a
criminal, by curtailing my liberties. 

Don't tread on me. 

HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Elsewhere, any real discussion is prohibited. Like Germany, France,
Argentina, etc. Close down the debate, the usual resort of liars... 

>and hundreds of academics has colluded in
>maintaining the Holocaust hoax.

Hilberg [incidentally who was in US intelligence], Reitlinger, and a
large number of jews have wrote on the "Holocaust", but totally
uncritically.

Conversely, how many gentile historians, very few.   

None of these had really questioned it. They sucked it all in, and
spewed it all out again.  
Has anybody really checked on the sources, the actual authenication of
the documents, diaries, etc

The only person is IMHO done that is David Irving, who found that a
"depressing" number of diaries, documents etc have been faked or
altered. 

Of course, I can think of a case where somebody postulated a dubious
theory. This was at Nuremberg. Where the allied high grade lynching
party put the German leaders on trial for various "conspiracy" charges,
against peace, to commit aggressive war, crimes etc etc. 


During the war it is obvious that the allies had black propaganda teams
forging german documents, etc. 
No doubt Mr Morris believes that they stopped when the war ended. 

Over a long period, I've posted numerous examples of allied forgery,
lying, and every sort of deception. Perhaps Mr Morris doesn't read
them...........


>
>So powerful is this conspiracy, that not one witness or perpetrator
>has ever recanted nor one trained historian either caught on to the
>hoax or broken ranks. 

The information of the torture and ill-treatment of Hoess by Bernard
Clarke, a jew in the intelligence services of Britain, was only
published in 1983. It took nearly 40 years for it to come out...

Recently, it was found out that Eden had lied over "Suez" to Parliament.
This was only revealed when documents in the Israeli archives showed
that in fact Britain, France and Israel had colluded. "Suez" was 40
years ago.

In another case, an recent TV program, showed Air Chief Harris,
protesting Churchills decision about bombing german civilains, arguing
for an attack on oil refineries. After Dresden, Churchill sent Harris a
letter telling him to stop attacking civilian targets. Harris got the
blame...

No "historian" picked any of these subjects up, they didn't know.

In the Public Record Office, there are still numerous documents about
the war, still held back. Some will not be available until 75 years have
passed. 


>Despite having admitted to various others of
>their crimes, 

An allusion to Katyn?: 

I wonder how many documents and "evidence" the communists manufactured
for that, let alone the Nuremberg trials, and the rest, such as their
"black propaganda" work in Germany daubing jewish cemetries with
swastikas etc.
When did the Soviets admit they had killed over 4,000 polish officers?
How many decades after the war was it? Previously all soviet histories
declared it to be a German crime. How many Soviet historians broke
ranks?

>not one of the four formerly Allied governments has
>given the least hint of having been involved in perpetrating a hoax

what a surprise

[however Col John Beaty of US military intelligence during the war, one
of the 2 editors of the daily G-2 report ridiculed the six million in
his book 'Iron curtain over America' published in 1951] 

>even when each of those governments has had, at some time or another,
>an anti-Zionist foreign policy, 

but they all have anti-nazi policies
[and when was the anti-Zionist policy in the case of Britain, America or
France? sorry, I must have missed it]

>and when at least two of those
>governments were so very desperate to court the goodwill of Germany as
>a bulwark against a third, the Soviet Union.

desperate to court the goodwill of a PUPPET government?
And what would happened in Germany if they admitted that the gas
chambers had not existed?

>
>Instead the only people who have been able to figure out this hoax
>have been people like Arthur Butz, an electrical engineer posing as an
>historian; 

"Posing as a historian" that's a lie - when does he claim that he is a
historian?

And so far totally unrefuted


>Fred Leuchter 

America's chief expert in the field of execution, who warned Ernst
Zundel, that if he found Evidence of "gassings" at Auschwitz he would
say so in Court under oath. 
[He did not find any evidence of "gassings", and his report was not
allowed as evidence, typical] 

Leuchter's expertise has also been recognized by prominent periodicals,
including The Atlantic in a four-page article in its February 1990
issue. An article in the weekly national news magazine Insight of July
2, 1990, called Leuchter, "the nation's leading expert in the mechanics
of execution." Finally, Leuchter's expertise was acknowledged on the ABC
television news program "Prime Time Live," broadcast on May 10th, 1990,
and by The New York Times in a prominently featured article in its issue
of October 13, 1990, which was accompanied by a front-page photo of
Leuchter. 

His findings, were confirmed by the Institute of Forensic Research in
Krakow, Poland, those of Austrian engineer Walter Lueftl, engineer
Germar Rudolf, and German engineer, Wolfgang Schuster (Dipl.Ing.)

[Then typically subjected to a campaign of harrassment, and rubbishing,
by people trying to close the debate - the usual resort of liars]

>and Carlos Mattogno, respectively, a history
>BA and a literature professor posing as engineers;

When does Mattogno "pose" as an engineer - another lie 

> Mark Weber and
>Theodore O'Keefe, both past associates of various of William Pierce's
>neo-Nazi groups; 
>the IHR, which was founded by the antisemite Willis
>Carto; 

yawn.

>CODOH which was founded by the IHR; 

and has done fine work

>and Ernst Zuendel, a
>self-described Nazi, and otherwise a consummate showman and confidence
>trickster.

A German who obivously has had enough of the Holocaust hate propaganda.

>
>On its face, the conspiracy theory is ludicrous. Add to the theory's
>utter improbablity that its discovery was made possible only by the
>unqualified or by the politically self-interested, and I think you
>have a "dubious theory of a massive conspiracy."


On the contrary, IMHO there is no massive "conspiracy". All we have is
Governments lying about their political opponents. Putting the boot in
when they are on the floor. That is the case. I expect that the only
people to know were the allied intelligence/black propaganda teams,
wether British, Soviet, French, etc. a very small number of people. It
is interesting to read of Col Beatys remarks in this regard and Clarkes
admission. 

After all not only did all these teams forge large numbers of documents,
they also got "confessions", purged files,  and so on. 

Why did they NEED to do so?

If as you claim that German Guilt was so obivious, then they didn't need
to forge any documents, or get up to any of their dirty tricks...

At the same time the allies were dropping leaflets saying that the
germans were gassing jews at Auschwitz, they were fobbing off concerned
jews who were pressing for action to be taken. 
The allies did nothing. They didn't need to, as there was no "gassing",
it was propaganda.

"Allied logic" this is what Mr Morris said.

It also explains why Kramer remained behind.
And lots more....

>
>You will excuse me if I think it far more likely that the Illuminati
>is keeping Elvis alive for some as yet undisclosed, dark purpose.
>It doesn't matter whether I explain them or not. You, after all, are
>willing to believe any falsehood these people feed you. 

"You are willing to believe any falsehood"

That is another lie. 

>For instance,
>you believe that Anne Frank's diary is a forgery even though it has no
>probative value whatsoever as regards the Holocaust. 

'No probative value whatsoever as regards the holocaust', of course it
has. She was NOT gassed. 
It's the usual thing - several accounts of it's finding, no answer on
that, just it's been "authenicated", just like the 'human skin'
lampshades were by the allies. It is just more propaganda. IMHO, its
just rubbish written by her dad. 

So the critical edition says that the ink and paper were in line with
the 1940s - so what?
Why for example, did Otto Frank refuse to give Dr Faurrison, any samples
of his handwriting? Even a name would be typed....
It's just another example of how these people act. They close down the
debate, they don't play ball. They conceal...

>From that fact
>alone, it strikes me that I am holding a debate with an unbalanced
>mind in the grip of a cultlike belief.

"a debate with an unbalanced mind in the grip of a cultlike belief" 

More abuse. 

A excellent example of how "a cultlike belief" such as Holocaust hate
propaganda creates a "an unbalanced mind".

The "holocaust" is exactly that  - a "belief" which ALL must pay tribute
to.... for ever and ever...

and EVERY German, even those born after 1945 must pay the "gasgeld",
seemingly for ever.


>
>By the way, you did not supply any evidence that Dion Brugioni, the
>original analyst of the aerial photographs, is a "Holocaust hate
>propagandist." Are we to assume that this claim was merely an attempt
>to smear your opponents?

IMHO, The air photos published by the CIA in "Holocaust revisited" in
1979 (Notice 34 years to come out), and analysed by Brugioni with the
result that they show the "exterminations in progress", is not wrong,
but a LIE. 

It is just another LIE to back up the "holocaust" propaganda LIE. 

The "holocaust" LIE is a act of hate against the German people, and a
smear on the Nation of Europa. 

Since one can only conclude by the evidence that is superbly produced by
Mr Ball, that the photos were marked, and as they actually prove the
opposite of Brugioni's conclusion, one can only assume that Brugioni
knew this, or even had a hand in it. 

Consequently Brugioni is a Holocaust hate propagandist.

Typically, Brugioni's lies are one more example of the the holocaust
hate propaganda. Running through the holocaust hate propaganda is the
same thread all the time : FRAUD





READ :-

AIR PHOTO EVIDENCE by John Ball 

is available from:-

Samisdat Publishers Ltd
206 Carlton St,
Toronto,
Ontario, M5A 2LI
CANADA

[175 photos, 116 pages $20.00]


or see John Ball on the Web at http://www.air-photo.com 


GET the book before it is banned:
SEE the website before it is shut down.

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From: Jeffrey 
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In article <326e8632.24901221@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris
 writes
>In , Jeffrey
> wrote:
>
>>I hope my fellow Old brentwoodian Jack Straw does introduce legislation
>>to make it a criminal offence subject to a two-year jail sentence to
>>question the Holocaust. That will bring everything out into the open. I
>>shall claim the honour of being the first prosecuted by repeating the
>>words for which I was fined £13,300 in Munich, banned from German
>>territory and 

second

>world war archives, namely: "The gas chamber shown to the
>>tourists at Auschwitz is a fake built after the war by the Polish
>>communists."
>>I assume a British court will permit us to call witnesses and evidence
>>which the German courts denied us.
>>(The Polish authorities have since admitted that the structure in
>>question was built in 1948).


>
>The war-time photos of this structure prove that you are a liar. 

Me? These are Irving's words not mine.

>You
>even falsify Irving's words.

That's ANOTHER lie. 

One word missed out in copying, the word "second" -unimportant.

draw your own conclusions, lurkers.
>
>--
> John Morris                               
> at University of Alberta     

Want to check with the Sunday Times?




[page 9, 2Oth October 1996.]

The letter was posted - as it was it in the paper.
I can even send you a photo-copy if you wish.


I now ask you for an Apology, Mr Morris.



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In article <326c7e7e.22928807@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris
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>In , Jeffrey
> wrote:
>
>>In article <326a0c84.21260647@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris
>> writes
>>>Jeffrey  wrote:
>
>>>>In article <326be6d5.36983977@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, John Morris
>>>> writes
>
>>>[snip]
>
>>>>>At this point, it comes down to the credibility of the respective air
>>>>>photo experts.
>
>>>>>On the one hand we have John Ball, a geologist, who may have spent his
>>>>>career analysing aerial photos in search of mineral deposits but who
>>>>>must certainly postulate a dubious theory of a massive conspiracy to
>>>>>perpetrate a "Holocaust hoax" if his analyses of the Auschwitz aerial
>>>>>photos are to make any sense.
>
>>This can be settled if the *original photos* are allowed to be viewed.
>>Of course, they won't be.  
>
>How do you know? Did you ask to see them?
>
>>Draw your own conclusions, lurkers.
>
>[big snip - Jeff, did you know that you spit when you rave? Draw your
>own conclusions, lurkers]

"did you that you spit when you rave?"

pathetic.




>
>>>By the way, you did not supply any evidence that Dion Brugioni, the
>>>original analyst of the aerial photographs, is a "Holocaust hate
>>>propagandist." Are we to assume that this claim was merely an attempt
>>>to smear your opponents?
>
>>IMHO, The air photos published by the CIA in "Holocaust revisited" in
>>1979 (Notice 34 years to come out), and analysed by Brugioni with the
>>result that they show the "exterminations in progress", is not wrong,
>>but a LIE. 
>
>Your "humble opinion" isn't worth shit here. Produce your evidence
>that Brugioni is a "Holocaust hate propagandist."

"isn't worth shit here"


>
>>It is just another LIE to back up the "holocaust" propaganda LIE. 
>
>And you can prove this claim? I don't see any proof except your
>"humble opinion."
>
>>The "holocaust" LIE is a act of hate against the German people, and a
>>smear on the Nation of Europa. 
>
>"Nation of Europa?" Is that anywhere near Narnia? Or is this some new
>BNP catchphrase? Or, have I misread your intentions altogether, and
>this is the proof you were going to offer?

>
>>Since one can only conclude by the evidence that is superbly produced by
>>Mr Ball, that the photos were marked, and as they actually prove the
>>opposite of Brugioni's conclusion, one can only assume that Brugioni
>>knew this, or even had a hand in it. 
>
>Your proof that the photos were marked is coming in the next message,
>right?
>
>>Consequently Brugioni is a Holocaust hate propagandist.
>
>A reasonable consequence if your "humble opinion" meant anything.
>Produce your proof.

>
>>Typically, Brugioni's lies are one more example of the the holocaust
>>hate propaganda. Running through the holocaust hate propaganda is the
>>same thread all the time : FRAUD
>
>Did your really think that anybody was going to read 590 lines of your
>unsupported and undocumented drool? What a wanker!

"unsupported and undocumented drool? What a wanker!"


>
>And thanks, by the way, for finally admitting that you believe in a
>massive conspiracy to promote the Holocaust. Maybe the _News of the
>World_ will pick up your story.

Since my posting said that there was NOT a massive conspiracy, Mr
Morris's word can only be regarded as a LIE.



>
>--
> John Morris                               
> at University of Alberta     

I summarise Mr Morris's contribution:

"did you know that you spit when you rave?"
"you humble opinion isn't worth shit here"
"unsupported and undocumented drool? What a wanker!"
"thanks for finally admitting that you believe in a massive conspiracy,
may be the News of the world will pick up your story"

Lots of abuse, no references, followed by a deliberate lie.



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In article , Mark Van Alstine
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>In article , Jeffrey
> wrote:
>
>> Butz in a study of the cremation capacity showed that actually Auschwitz
>> complex had a lower ratio of muffles/retorts than Buchenwald and Dachau.
>> 
>> 
>> per thousand deaths
>> 
>> 
>> Year   Auschwitz Buchenwald Dachau
>> retorts   52          6        6
>> 
>> 1942    1.14       2.07     2.43     
>> 1943    1.41       1.71     5.45
>> 
>> Butz [ibid p378]
>
>
>Obviously, Jeffrey fails to see the error in his logic here. The fact that
>Auschwitz had, for example,  1.14 muffles per 1,000 deaths while at
>Buchenwald and Dachau the ratio was about twice as much, is indicative of
>a _greater_ per (death) capita cremation capacity at Auschwitz! 

No, it isn't.

it just means more people were cremated at Auschwitz. It wasn't a race
you know.

>
>This can be illustrated by the following example:
>
>Assume 10,000 deaths each for Auschwitz, Buchenwald, and  Dachau. Also
>Assume fifty-two, six, and six muffles, respectively. Finally, assume that
>incineration times were the same per muffle for all camps. This would
>indicate the follwing ratios:
>
>Auschwitz:  10,000 / 52 = ~192 deaths per muffle. 
>
>Buchenwald: 10,000 / 6 =  ~1,666 deaths per muffle. 
>
>Dachau:     10,000 / 6 =  ~1,666 deaths per muffle. 
>
>Ergo, Auscwhitz could incinerate ~8.7 times as many corpses per unit time
>as either Buchenwald or Dachau. Odd then, isn't it, that Auschwitz didn't
>have ~8.7 times as many prisoners as Buchenwald or Dachau? 

No it isn't.

Typical, a question. 

And the "holocaust" is supposed to be "proved". 

It is well known that Auschwitz II (Birkenau) was going to be expanded,
a extension called "Mexico" . Mr Van Alstine ignores this completely. An
oversight on his part, no doubt.

>
>> >Where were all these corpses supposed to come from, considering
>> >Auschwitz-Birkenau never had more than a few tens-of-thousands
>> >of inmates?
>> 
>> In a report dated April 5 1944 on security measures, Pohl reported there
>> was a total of 67,000 inmates in the entire complex of which 18,000 were
>> in hospital or diabled.
>> In Birkenau there was 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of which 15,000 wee
>> unable to work.
>> (Nuremburg document No-021. NMT green series VOl 5. pp 384-385) 
>> 
>> The provision of crematories which could handle about 200 max in a day,
>> is therefore not excessive.
>
>Obviously, Jeffrey also fails to see the error in his assumption that the
>incineration capacity of the crematorien at Birkenau was "200 max in a
>day." 

Not my assumption at all. But testimony under OATH of Ivan Lagace, a
witness, declared of "expert status"  at the Zundel trial, who declared
it to be 184 a day. I just rounded up the number a little.

Notice the large numbers of inmates unable to work, according to the
holocaust hate propagandists these were "gassed immediately". The
figures show it to be a LIE. Even Anne Frank, who was not gassed despite
being a ill jewess, was sent to Bergen-Belsen which was designated a
recovery camp for sick workers to recover. 


>The Auschwitz SS themselves estimated that the capacity of the
>crematorien was on the order of 4,500 corspes per 24 hour period.

Totally impossible, just rubbish. Give me a reference?

[Please Not the "Jahring" letter, not that forgery, we exhausted that by
now.] 


>Additionally, the incineration capacity in Krema II alone, during the
>intial testing of its muffles, can be (conservatively) extrapolated to
>some 1,280 corpses per 24 hour period:

Completely impossible. Absolute rubbish. Get a crematory manager, or
somebody who works in a crematory to testify to this, under OATH. You
STILL haven't managed it since the Zundel trial eight years ago, have
you? So why should I believe you, Mr Van Alstine? As MR Keren actually
said to Ole Kreiburg, how many people have you cremated?

Expert witness at the Zundel trial, Ivan Lagace testified on OATH that
the max number of the Birkenau crematorium capacity was 184 a day. This
is ALL 46 muffles/retorts, at Birkenau. Not just Krema II. And this is
the max number. It is like saying that you drive your car at 120 mph,
all the time, because that is it's greatest possible speed.  

The holocaust hate propagandists, despite ripping large sums of money
off the canadian people for a case brought by a wealthy jewish lady,
were unable to get a "expert" witness to testify against Ivan Lagace.
Perhaps, cremation experts weren't prepared to commit professional hari-
kiri.
>
>
>_Auschwitz Chronicle, 1939-1945_ / Danuta Czech. -1st American. Ed.
>(ISBN 0-8050-0938-8);  p. 345.
>
>Reference: APMO, D-Mau-3a/16408. Personal-Information Card for Mieczyslaw
>Morawa; D-AuI-sa/101, Confirmation of Bruck¹s Arrival
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>March 5  [1943]
>
>During a test heating of the ovens in Crematorium II in Birkenau, the Capo
>August Bruck, who has just been transferred from Buchenwald, explains the
>construction of the ovens to the prisoners in the Special Squads and
>familiarizes them with the instructions for use. The generators run from
>morning 

what time?


>until 4:00 P.M. 

Not 24 hours, then?

>In the course of the day, a commission arrives
>made up of higher-level SS people from Berlin, members of the camp
>management, function of the camp¹s Political Department, as well as
>engineers and employees of the firm of J.A. Topf and Sons in Erfurt, which
>built the crematorium ovens. In their presence, member of the Special
>Squad stoke the 15 retorts of the five crematorium ovens with 45 corpses.
>With clock in hand, the members of the commission time the cremation of
>the corpses, which at 40 minutes takes an unexpectedly long time. The
>Special Squad is therefore ordered to let the generators run constantly
>for several days so the ovens get heated up. 

Must have burnt a LOT of coke/coal.

>Participating at the trial
>start-up of the crematorium ovens, which lasts from March 4 to March 6, is
>the Head Capo August Bruck and Mieczyslaw Morawa (No. 5730), the Capo of
>Crematorium I who was ordered to Birkenau for the test. Afterward he
>returns to the main camp.
>

This proves nothing, at all. 



>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Mark
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
>not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
>right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
>
>-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago, mentions the case of the 
Bavarian Jupp Aschenbrenner, whom the Russians  persuaded to sign a slimilar 
decalaration that he had worked on wartime gas vans, but Aschenbrenner was later 
to prove that, at the time he had supposely worked on the vans, he was actually 
in Munich studying to be an electric welder."

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