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From: Greg Raven 
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hebe@algonet.se wrote:
> 
> This is the text for a SA-song sung by students in Germany 1934:
> 
>         "Sharpen the long daggers against the sidewalk
>          Dig them down in the body of the jew
>          A tide stream of blood must sipper"
> 
> and so on...
> 
> I don't know if my english is the best but, I ask all revisionists a
> question: how do you pinheads dismiss texts like this, when you're
> denying the Holocaust? The Holocaust happened! It's a matter of
> record. The only ones who deny it are people with ties to racial-hate
> groups and antisemitic groups!

It would only take a few minutes of your time to familiarize yourself
with the revisionist position on the Holocaust, and then you could
answer questions such as this for yourself.

Revisionists do not deny the Holocoaust. Revisionists do not deny that
many Jews suffered and died during the Second World War.

Revisionists DO say that there was no German program to exterminate
Europe's Jews, that numerous claims of mass killings in "gas chambers"
are false, and that the estimate of six million Jewish wartime dead is
an irresponsible exaggeration.

Finally, people from all walks of live, of all religious faiths, and all
racial backgrounds, agree with the revisionist view of the Holocaust. If
you have evidence to show that the revisionist position in wrong, it
should not be necessary for you to stoop to personal attacks or question
people's motives to make your point.

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From: Greg Raven 
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Subject: Let's Hear Both Sides of the Holocaust story
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The Holocaust: Let's hear both sides

by Mark Weber

Nearly everyone has heard that the Germans killed some six million Jews in
Europe during the Second World War. American television, motion pictures,
newspapers and magazines hammer away on this theme. In Washington, DC, an
enormous official Holocaust Museum has been built.

Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story

During the past decade, though, more and more "revisionist" historians,
including respected scholars such as Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern
University, Prof. Robert Faurisson of the University of Lyon in France and
best-selling British historian David Irving, have been challenging the
widely-accepted extermination story.

They do not dispute the fact that large numbers of Jews were deported to
concentration camps and ghettos, or that many Jews died or were killed
during the Second World War. Revisionist scholars have, however, presented
considerable evidence to show that there was no German program to
exterminate Europe's Jews, that numerous claims of mass killings in "gas
chambers" are false, and that the estimate of six million Jewish wartime
dead is an irresponsible exaggeration.

Many Holocaust Claims Abandoned

Revisionists point out that the Holocaust story has changed quite a lot over
the years. Many extermination claims that were once widely accepted have
been quietly dropped in recent years.

At one time it was alleged that the Germans gassed Jews at Dachau,
Buchenwald and other concentration camps in Germany proper. That part of the
extermination story proved so untenable that it was abandoned more than 20
years ago.

No serious historian now supports the once supposedly proven story of
"extermination camps" in the territory of the old German Reich. Even famed
"Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal has acknowledged that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil." (note 1)

Prominent Holocaust historians now claim that masses of Jews were gassed at
just six camps in what is now Poland: Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka,
Sobibor, Chelmno and Belzec. However, the "evidence" presented for
"gassings" at these six camps is not qualitatively different than the
"evidence" for alleged "gassings" at the camps in Germany proper.

At the great Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946 and during the decades following
the end of the Second World War, Auschwitz (especially Auschwitz-Birkenau)
and Majdanek (Lublin) were generally regarded as the most important "death
camps." For example, the Allies alleged at Nuremberg that the Germans killed
four million at Auschwitz and another 1.5 million at Majdanek. Today, no
reputable historian accepts these fantastic figures.

In addition, more and more striking evidence has been presented in recent
years that simply cannot be reconciled with the allegations of mass
exterminations at these camps. For example, detailed aerial reconnaissance
photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau on several random days in 1944
(during the height of the alleged extermination period there) were made
public by the CIA in 1979. They show no trace of the piles of corpses,
smoking chimneys and masses of Jews awaiting death, all of which have been
alleged and would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had indeed been an
extermination center.

We now also know that the postwar "confession" of Auschwitz commandant
Rudolf Hoess, which is a crucial part of the Holocaust extermination story,
is a false statement that was obtained by torture. (note 2)

Other Absurd Holocaust Claims

At one time it was also seriously claimed that the Germans exterminated Jews
with electricity and steam, and that they manufactured soap from Jewish
corpses. For example, at Nuremberg the United States charged that the
Germans killed Jews at Treblinka, not in gas chambers, as is now claimed,
but by steaming them to death in "steam chambers." (note 3)

Such bizarre stories have also been quietly abandoned in recent years.

Disease Claimed Many Inmates

The Holocaust extermination story is superficially plausible. Everyone has
seen the horrific photos of dead and dying inmates taken at Bergen-Belsen,
Nordhausen and other concentration camps when they were liberated by British
and American forces in the final weeks of the war in Europe. These
unfortunate people were victims, not of an extermination program, but of
disease and malnutrition brought on by the complete collapse of Germany in
the final months of the war. Indeed, if there had been an extermination
program, the Jews found by Allied forces at the end of the war would have
long since been killed.

In the face of the advancing Soviet forces, large numbers of Jews were
evacuated during the final months of the war from eastern camps and ghettos
to the remaining camps in western Germany. These camps quickly became
terribly overcrowded, which severely hampered efforts to prevent the spread
of epidemics. Furthermore, the breakdown of the German transportation system
made it impossible to supply adequate food and medicine to the camps.

Captured German Documents

At the end of the Second World War, the Allies confiscated a tremendous
quantity of German documents dealing with Germany's wartime Jewish policy,
which was sometimes officially referred to as the "final solution." But not
a single German document has ever been found which even refers to an
extermination program. To the contrary, the documents clearly show that the
German "final solution" policy was one of emigration and deportation, not
extermination.

Consider, for example, the confidential German Foreign Office memorandum of
August 21, 1942. (note 4) "The present war gives Germany the opportunity and
also the duty of solving the Jewish problem in Europe," the memorandum
notes. The policy "to promote the evacuation of the Jews [from Europe] in
closest cooperation with the agencies of the Reichsfuehrer SS [Himmler] is
still in force." The memo noted that "the number of Jews deported in this
way to the East did not suffice to cover the labor needs."

The document quotes German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop as saying that
"at the end of this war, all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was an
unalterable decision of the Fuehrer [Hitler] and also the only way to master
this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied
and individual measures would not help very much."

The memorandum concludes by stating that the "deportations [of Jews to the
East] are a further step on the way of the total solution ... The
deportation to the [Polish] General Government is a temporary measure. The
Jews will be moved on further to the occupied [Soviet] eastern territories
as soon as the technical conditions for it are given."

This unambiguous document, and others like it, are routinely suppressed or
ignored by those who uphold the Holocaust extermination story.

Unreliable Testimony

Holocaust historians rely heavily on so-called "survivor testimony" to
support the extermination story. But such "evidence" is notoriously
unreliable. As one Jewish historian has pointed out, "most of the memoirs
and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity,
graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation,
dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias,
partisan attacks and apologies." (note 5)

Hitler and the 'Final Solution'

There is no documentary evidence that Adolf Hitler ever gave an order to
exterminate the Jews, or that he knew of any extermination program. Instead,
the record shows that the German leader wanted the Jews to leave Europe, by
emigration if possible and by deportation if necessary.

A document found after the war in the files of the Reich Ministry of Justice
records his thinking on the Jews. In the spring of 1942, State Secretary
Schlegelberger noted in a memorandum that Hitler's Chief of Chancellery, Dr.
Hans Lammers, had informed him: "The Fhrer has repeatedly declared to him
[Lammers] that he wants to see the solution of the Jewish problem postponed
until after the war is over." (note 6)

And on July 24, 1942, Hitler emphasized his determination to remove all Jews
>from  Europe after the war: "The Jews are interested in Europe for economic
reasons, but Europe must reject them, if only out of self-interest, because
the Jews are racially tougher. After this war is over, I will rigorously
hold to the view ... that the Jews will have to leave and emigrate to
Madagascar or some other Jewish national state." (note 7)

Himmler's SS and the Camps

Jews were an important part of Germany's wartime labor force, and it was in
Germany's interest to keep them alive.

The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated Dec.
28, 1942, to every concentration camp, including Auschwitz. It sharply
criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and ordered that
"camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly
reduce the death rate in the various camps." Furthermore, it ordered: "The
camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the nutrition of the
prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration, submit improvement
recommendations to the camp commandants ... The camp doctors are to see to
it that the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as
much as possible."

Finally, the directive stressed that "The Reichsfhrer SS [Himmler] has
ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced." (note 8)

The head of the SS department that supervised the concentration camps,
Richard Gluecks, sent a circular letter to each camp commandant dated
January 20, 1943. In it he ordered: "As I have already pointed out, every
means must be used to lower the death rate in the camp." (note 9)

Six Million?

There is no real evidence for the incessantly repeated claim that the
Germans exterminated six million Jews. It is clear, though, that millions of
Jews "survived" German rule during the Second World War, including many who
were interned in Auschwitz and other so-called "extermination camps." This
fact alone should raise serious doubts about the extermination story.

A leading newspaper of neutral Switzerland, the daily Baseler Nachrichten,
carefully estimated in June 1946 that no more than 1.5 million European Jews
could have perished under German rule during the war. (note 10)

One-Sided 'Holocaustomania'

Even after more than 40 years, the stream of Holocaust films and books shows
no sign of diminishing.

This relentless media campaign, which Jewish historian Alfred Lilienthal
calls "Holocaustomania," portrays the fate of the Jews during the Second
World War as the central event of history. There is no end to the
heavy-handed motion pictures, the simplistic television specials, the
vindictive hunt for "Nazi war criminals," the one-sided "educational
courses," and the self-righteous appearances by politicians and celebrities
at Holocaust "memorial services."

Britain's chief rabbi, Immanuel Jakobovits, has accurately described the
Holocaust campaign as "an entire industry, with handsome profits for
writers, researchers, film-makers, monument builders, muse-um planners and
even politicians." He added that some rabbis and theologians are "partners
in this big business." (note 11)

Non-Jewish victims just don't merit the same concern. For example, there are
no American memorials, "study centers," or annual observances for Stalin's
victims, who vastly outnumber Hitler's.

Who Benefits?

The perpetual Holocaust media blitz is routinely used to justify enormous
American support for Israel and to excuse otherwise inexcusable Israeli
policies, even when they conflict with American interests.

The sophisticated and well-financed Holocaust media campaign is crucially
important to the interests of Israel, which owes its existence to massive
annual subsidies from American taxpayers. As Prof. W.D. Rubinstein of
Australia has candidly acknowledged: "If the Holocaust can be shown to be a
ïZionist myth,' the strongest of all weapons in Israel's propaganda armory
collapses." (note 12)

Jewish history teacher Paula Hyman of Columbia University has observed:
"With regard to Israel, the Holocaust may be used to forestall political
criticism and suppress debate; it reinforces the sense of Jews as an
eternally beleaguered people who can rely for their defense only upon
themselves. The invocation of the suffering endured by the Jews under the
Nazis often takes the place of rational argument, and is expected to
convince doubters of the legitimacy of current Israeli government policy."
(note 13)

One major reason that the Holocaust story has proven so durable is that the
governments of the major powers also have a vested interest in maintaining
it. The victorious powers of the Second World War -- the United States,
Soviet Russia and Britain -- have a stake in portraying the defeated Hitler
regime as negatively as possible. The more evil and satanic the Hitler
regime appears, the more noble and justified seems the Allied cause.

For many Jews, the Holocaust has become both a flourishing business and a
kind of new religion, as noted Jewish author and newspaper publisher Jacobo
Timerman points out in his book, The Longest War. He reports that many
Israelis, using the word Shoah, which is Hebrew for Holocaust, joke that
"There's no business like Shoah business." (note 14)

The Holocaust media campaign portrays Jews as totally innocent victims, and
non-Jews as morally retarded and unreliable beings who can easily turn into
murderous Nazis under the right circumstances. This self-serving but
distorted portrayal is meant to strengthen Jewish group solidarity and
self-awareness.

A key lesson of the Holocaust story for Jews is that non-Jews are never
completely trustworthy. If a people as cultured and as educated as the
Germans could turn against the Jews, so the thinking goes, than surely no
non-Jewish nation can ever be completely trusted. The Holocaust message is
thus one of contempt for humanity.

Holocaust Hatemongering

The Holocaust story is sometimes used to promote hatred and hostility,
particularly against the German people as a whole, eastern Europeans and the
leadership of the Roman Catholic church.

The well-known Jewish writer, Elie Wiesel, is a former Auschwitz inmate who
served as chairman of the official U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council. He
received the 1986 Nobel Peace Prize. This dedicated Zionist wrote in his
book, Legends of Our Time: "Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set
apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German
personifies and for what persists in the German." (note 15)

Let Both Sides Be Heard

As even defenders of the orthodox extermination story concede, skepticism
about the Holocaust story has grown dramatically in recent years.

Responding to this trend, officials in some countries -- including France
and Israel -- have made it a crime to challenge the Holocaust story.
Revisionists in France and Germany have been heavily fined for their views.
Teachers in the United States and elsewhere have been summarily dismissed
>from  their positions for daring to doubt the Holocaust story. Criminal thugs
have brutally attacked prominent Holocaust revisionists; one was even killed
for his views.

In spite of desperate restrictions on free speech, frantic media attacks
against those who "deny the Holocaust," a seemingly perpetual Holocaust
media campaign, and even physical attacks, considerable headway is being
made. More and more thoughtful people in the United States and around the
world are willing to express doubts about at least some of the more
sensational Holocaust claims.

Summary

The Holocaust extermination story is breaking down as suppressed evidence
becomes better known, and as more people become aware of the facts about
what is certainly the most hyped and politicized chapter of modern history.

Artificially maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents
genuine reconciliation and lasting peace.

Revisionism promotes historical awareness and international understanding.
That's why the work of the Institute for Historical Review is so important
and deserves your support.

Notes

  1. Books & Bookmen, London, April 1975, p. 5, and in Stars and Stripes
     (Europe), Jan. 24, 1993, p. 14.
  2. Ruper Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235-237, and R.
     Faurisson, Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
  3. Nuremberg document PS-3311 (USA-293). IMT blue series, Vol. 32, pp.
     153-158; IMT, Vol. 3, pp. 566- 568.; NMT green series, Vol. 5, pp.
     1133, 1134.
  4. Nuremberg document NG-2586-J. NMT green series, Vol. 13, pp. 243-249.
  5. Samuel Gringauz in Jewish Social Studies (New York), January 1950, Vol.
     12, p. 65.
  6. Nuremberg document PS-4025. D. Irving, G¡ring: A Biography (New York:
     1989), p. 349.
  7. H. Picker, Hitlers Tischgesprche im Fuehrerhaupt quartier (Stuttgart:
     1976), p. 456.
  8. Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2; NC&A red series, Vol. 4, pp.
     833-834.
  9. Nuremberg document NO-1523; NMT green series, Vol. 5, pp. 372-373.
 10. Baseler Nachrichten, June 13, 1946, p. 2.
 11. H. Shapiro, "Jakobovits," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Nov. 26, 1987, p. 1.
 12. Quadrant (Australia), Sept. 1979, p. 27.
 13. New York Times Magazine, Sept. 14, 1980, p. 79.
 14. The Longest War (New York: Vintage, 1982), p. 15.
 15. Legends of Our Time (New York: Schocken Books, 1982), chap. 12, p. 142.

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What is 'Holocaust denial'?

In recent years, more and more attention has been devoted to the supposed
danger of "Holocaust denial." Politicians, newspapers and television warn
about the growing influence of those who reject the Holocaust story that
some six million European Jews were systematically exterminated during the
Second World War, most of them in gas chambers.

In several countries, including Israel, France, Germany and Austria,
"Holocaust denial" is against the law, and "deniers" have been punished with
stiff fines and prison sentences. Some frantic Jewish community leaders are
calling for similar government measures in North America against so-called
"deniers." In Canada, David Matas, Senior Counsel for the "League for Human
Rights" of the Zionist B'nai B'rith organization, says: (note 1)

     The Holocaust was the murder of six million Jews, including two
     million children. Holocaust denial is a second murder of those
     same six million. First their lives were extinguished; then their
     deaths. A person who denies the Holocaust becomes part of the
     crime of the Holocaust itself.

Often overlooked in this controversy is the crucial question: Just what
constitutes "Holocaust denial"?

Six Million?

Should someone be considered a "Holocaust denier" because he does not
believe -- as Matas and others insist -- that six million Jews were killed
during World War II? This figure was cited by the International Military
Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-1946. It found that "the policy pursued [by
the German government] resulted in the killing of six million Jews, of which
four million were killed in the extermination institutions." (note 2)

Yet if that is so, then several of the most prominent Holocaust historians
could be regarded as "deniers." Professor Raul Hilberg, author of the
standard reference work, The Destruction of the European Jews, does not
accept that six million Jews died. He puts the total of deaths (from all
causes) at 5.1 million. Gerald Reitlinger, author of The Final Solution,
likewise did not accept the six million figure. He estimated the figure of
Jewish wartime dead might be as high as 4.6 million, but admitted that this
was conjectural due to a lack of reliable information.

Human Soap?

Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that the Nazis didn't use Jewish
fat to make soap? After examining all the evidence (including an actual bar
of soap supplied by the Soviets), the Nuremberg Tribunal declared in its
Judgment that "in some instances attempts were made to utilize the fat from
the bodies of the victims in the commercial manufacture of soap." (note 3)

In 1990, though, Israel's official "Yad Vashem" Holocaust memorial agency
"rewrote history" by admitting that the soap story was not true. "Historians
have concluded that soap was not made from human fat. When so many people
deny the Holocaust ever happened, why give them something to use against the
truth?," said Yad Vashem official Shmuel Krakowski. (note 4)

Wannsee Conference?

Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he does not accept that the January 1942
"Wannsee conference" of German bureaucrats was held to set or coordinate a
program of systematic mass murder of Europe's Jews? If so, Israeli Holocaust
historian Yehuda Bauer must be wrong -- and a "Holocaust denier" -- because
he recently declared: "The public still repeats, time after time, the silly
story that at Wannsee the extermination of the Jews was arrived at." In
Bauer's opinion, Wannsee was a meeting but "hardly a conference" and "little
of what was said there was executed in detail." (note 5)

Extermination Policy?

Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that there was no order by Hitler
to exterminate Europe's Jews? There was a time when the answer would have
been yes. Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg, for example, wrote in the 1961
edition of his study, The Destruction of the European Jews, that there were
two Hitler orders for the destruction of Europe's Jews: the first given in
the spring of 1941, and the second shortly thereafter. But Hilberg removed
mention of any such order from the revised, three-volume edition of his book
published in 1985. (note 6) As Holocaust historian Christopher Browning has
noted: (note 7)

     In the new edition, all references in the text to a Hitler
     decision or Hitler order for the "Final Solution" have been
     systematically excised. Buried at the bottom of a single footnote
     stands the solitary reference: "Chronology and circumstances point
     to a Hitler decision before the summer ended." In the new edition,
     decisions were not made and orders were not given.

A lack of hard evidence for an extermination order by Hitler has contributed
to a controversy that divides Holocaust historians into "intentionalists"
and "functionalists." The former contend that there was a premeditated
extermination policy ordered by Hitler, while the latter hold that Germany's
wartime "final solution" Jewish policy evolved at lower levels in response
to circumstances. But the crucial point here is this: notwithstanding the
capture of literally tons of German documents after the war, no one can
point to documentary evidence of a wartime extermination order, plan or
program. This was admitted by Professor Hilberg during his testimony in the
1985 trial in Toronto of German-Canadian publisher Ernst Zuendel. (note 8)

Auschwitz

So just what constitutes "Holocaust denial"? Surely a claim that most
Auschwitz inmates died from disease and not systematic extermination in gas
chambers would be "denial." But perhaps not. Jewish historian Arno J. Mayer,
a Princeton University professor, wrote in his 1988 study Why Did the
Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution" in History': . . . From 1942 to
1945, certainly at Auschwitz, but probably overall, more Jews were killed by
so-called 'natural' causes than by 'unnatural' ones." (note 9)

Even estimates of the number of people who died at Auschwitz -- allegedly
the main extermination center -- are no longer clear cut. At the postwar
Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans exterminated four
million people at Auschwitz. (note 10) Until 1990, a memorial plaque at
Auschwitz read: "Four Million People Suffered and Died Here at the Hands of
the Nazi Murderers Between the Years 1940 and 1945." (note 11) During a 1979
visit to the camp, Pope John Paul II stood before this memorial and blessed
the four million victims.

Is it "Holocaust denial" to dispute these four million deaths? Not today. In
July 1990, the Polish government's Auschwitz State Museum, along with
Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center, conceded that the four million figure
was a gross exaggeration, and references to it were accordingly removed from
the Auschwitz monument. Israeli and Polish officials announced a tentative
revised toll of 1.1 million Auschwitz dead. (note 12) In 1993, French
Holocaust researcher Jean-Claude Pressac, in a much-discussed book about
Auschwitz, estimated that altogether about 775,000 died there during the war
years. (note 13)

Professor Mayer acknowledges that the question of how many really died in
Auschwitz remains open. In Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? he wrote (p.
366):

     . . . Many questions remain open . . . All in all, how many bodies
     were cremated in Auschwitz? How many died there all told? What was
     the national, religious, and ethnic breakdown in this commonwealth
     of victims? How many of them were condemned to die a 'natural'
     death and how many were deliberately slaughtered? And what was the
     proportion of Jews among those murdered in cold blood among these
     gassed? We have simply no answers to these questions at this time.

Gas Chambers

What about denying the existence of extermination "gas chambers"? Here too,
Mayer makes a startling statement (on page 362 of his book): "Sources for
the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable." While Mayer
believes that such chambers did exist at Auschwitz, he points out that

     most of what is known is based on the depositions of Nazi
     officials and executioners at postwar trials and on the memory of
     survivors and bystanders. This testimony must be screened
     carefully, since it can be influenced by subjective factors of
     great complexity.

Hoess Testimony

One example of this might be the testimony of Rudolf H¡ss, an SS officer who
served as commandant of Auschwitz. In its Judgment, the Nuremberg
International Military Tribunal quoted at length from his testimony to
support its findings of extermination. (note 14)

It is now well established that H¡ss' crucial testimony, as well as his
so-called "confession" (which was also cited by the Nuremberg Tribunal), are
not only false, but were obtained by beating the former commandant nearly to
death. (note 15) H¡ss' wife and children were also threatened with death and
deportation to Siberia. In his statement -- which would not be admissible
today in any United States court of law -- H¡ss claimed the existence of an
extermination camp called "Wolzek." In fact, no such camp ever existed. He
further claimed that during the time that he was commandant of Auschwitz,
two and a half million people were exterminated there, and that a further
half million died of disease. (note 16) Today no reputable historian upholds
these figures. H¡ss was obviously willing to say anything, sign anything and
do anything to stop the torture, and to try to save himself and his family.

Forensic Investigations

In his 1988 book, Professor Mayer calls for "excavations at the killing
sites and in their immediate environs" to determine more about the gas
chambers. In fact, such forensic studies have been made. The first was
conducted in 1988 by American execution equipment consultant, Fred A.
Leuchter, Jr. He carried out an on-site forensic examination of the alleged
gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek to determine if they could
have been used to kill people as claimed. After a careful study of the
alleged killing facilities, Leuchter concluded that the sites were not used,
and could not have been used, as homicidal gas chambers. Furthermore, an
analysis of samples taken by Leuchter from the walls and floors of the
alleged gas chambers showed either no or minuscule traces of cyanide
compound, from the active ingredient of Zyklon B, the pesticide allegedly
used to murder Jews at Auschwitz. (note 17)

A confidential forensic examination (and subsequent report) commissioned by
the Auschwitz State Museum and conducted by Institute of Forensic Research
in Krakow has confirmed Leuchter's finding that minimal or no traces of
cyanide compound can be found in the sites alleged to have been gas
chambers. (note 18)

The significance of this is evident when the results of the forensic
examination of the alleged homicidal gas chambers are compared with the
results of the examination of the Auschwitz disinfestation facilities, where
Zyklon B was used to delouse mattresses and clothing. Whereas no or only
trace amounts of cyanide were found in the alleged homicidal gas chambers,
massive traces of cyanide were found in the walls and floor in the camp's
disinfestation delousing chambers.

Another forensic study has been carried out by German chemist Germar Rudolf.
On the basis of his on-site examination and analysis of samples, the
certified chemist and doctoral candidate concluded: "For chemical-technical
reasons, the claimed mass gassings with hydrocyanic acid in the alleged 'gas
chambers' in Auschwitz did not take place . . . The supposed facilities for
mass killing in Auschwitz and Birkenau were not suitable for this purpose .
. ." (note 19)

Finally, there is the study of Austrian engineer Walter Lueftl, a respected
expert witness in numerous court cases, and former president of Austria's
professional association of engineers. In a 1992 report he called the
alleged mass extermination of Jews in gas chambers "technically impossible."
(note 20)

Discredited Perspective

So just what constitutes "Holocaust denial"? Those who advocate criminal
persecution of "Holocaust deniers" seem to be still living in the world of
1946 where the Allied officials of the Nuremberg Tribunal have just
pronounced their verdict. But the Tribunal's findings can no longer be
assumed to be valid. Because it relied so heavily on such untrustworthy
evidence as the H¡ss testimony, some of its most critical findings are now
discredited.

For purposes of their own, powerful special interest groups desperately seek
to keep substantive discussion of the Holocaust story taboo. One of the ways
they do this is by purposely mischaracterizing revisionist scholars as
"deniers." But the truth can't be suppressed forever: There is a very real
and growing controversy about what actually happened to Europe's Jews during
World War II.

Let this issue be settled as all great historical controversies are
resolved: through free inquiry and open debate in our journals, newspapers
and classrooms.

Notes

  1. Globe and Mail (Toronto), Jan. 22, 1992.
  2. Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military
     Tribunal (IMT "blue series"), Vol. 22, p. 496.
  3. IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496.
  4. Globe and Mail (Toronto), April 25, 1990; See also: M. Weber, "Jewish
     Soap," The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1991.
  5. Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), Jan. 30, 1992.
  6. See: Barbara Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die: Report of the
     Evidence in the Canadian 'False News' Trial of Ernst Zndel (Toronto:
     Samisdat, 1992), pp. 192, 300, 349.
  7. "The Revised Hilberg," Simon Wiesenthal Annual, Vol. 3, 1986, p. 294.
  8. B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die (Toronto: 1992), pp.
     24-25.
  9. A. Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
     History (Pantheon, 1988), p. 365.
 10. Nuremberg document 008-USSR.; IMT "blue series," Vol. 39, pp. 241, 261.
 11. B. Kulaszka, ed., Did Six Million Really Die (Toronto: 1992), p. 441.
 12. Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Sept.
     22, 1989; Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million," Daily Telegraph
     (London), July 17, 1990; "Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death Toll Estimate
     to 1 Million," The Washington Times, July 17, 1990.
 13. J.-C. Pressac, Les Cr|metoires d'Auschwitz: La machinerie du meurtre de
     masse (Paris: CNRS, 1993). See also: R. Faurisson, "Jean-Claude
     Pressac's New Auschwitz Book," The Journal of Historical Review,
     Jan.-Feb. 1994, p. 24.
 14. IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 485; Nuremberg document 3868-PS
     (USA-819), in IMT "blue series," Vol. 33, pp. 275-279.
 15. Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235-237; C.
     Hitchens, "Whose History is it?," Vanity Fair (New York), Dec. 1993, p.
     117.
 16. See: R. Faurisson, "How the British Obtained the Confession of Rudolf
     Hoess," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
 17. A deluxe edition of The Leuchter Report is available from the IHR for
     $20.00, plus $2.00 shipping.
 18. The complete text of this report was published in English in The
     Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1991.
 19. G. Rudolf, Gutachten ueber die Bildung und Nachweisbarkeit von
     Cyanidverbindungen in den 'Gaskammern' von Auschwitz (London: 1993).
     See: The Journal of Historical Review, Nov.-Dec. 1993, pp. 25-26.
 20. "The 'Lueftl Report'," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter
     1992-93.

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Auschwitz: Myths and facts

by Mark Weber

Nearly everyone has heard of Auschwitz, the German wartime concentration
camp where many prisoners -- most of them Jewish -- were reportedly
exterminated, especially in gas chambers. Auschwitz is widely regarded as
the most terrible Nazi extermination center. The camp's horrific reputation
cannot, however, be reconciled with the facts.

Scholars challenge Holocaust story

Astonishing as it may seem, more and more historians and engineers have been
challenging the widely accepted Auschwitz story. These "revisionist"
scholars do not dispute the fact that large numbers of Jews were deported to
the camp, or that many died there, particularly of typhus and other
diseases. But the compelling evidence they present shows that Auschwitz was
not an extermination center and that the story of mass killings in "gas
chambers" is a myth.

The Auschwitz camps

The Auschwitz camp complex was set up in 1940 in what is now south-central
Poland. Large numbers of Jews were deported there between 1942 and mid-1944.

The main camp was known as Auschwitz I. Birkenau, or Auschwitz II, was
supposedly the main extermination center, and Monowitz, or Auschwitz III,
was a large industrial center where gasoline was produced from coal. In
addition there were dozens of smaller satellite camps devoted to the war
economy.

Four million victims?

At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans
exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. This figure, which was
invented by the Soviets, was uncritically accepted for many years. It often
appeared in major American newspapers and magazines, for example. (note 1)

Today no reputable historian, not even those who generally accept the
extermination story, believes this figure. Israeli Holocaust historian
Yehuda Bauer said in 1989 that it is time to finally acknowledge the
familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. In July 1990 the
Auschwitz State Museum in Poland, along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust
Center, suddenly announced that altogether perhaps one million people (both
Jews and non-Jews) died there. Neither institution would say how many of
these people were killed, nor were any estimates given of the numbers of
those supposedly gassed. (note 2) One prominent Holocaust historian, Gerald
Reitlinger, has estimated that perhaps 700,000 or so Jews perished at
Auschwitz. More recently, Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has
estimated that about 800,000 persons -- of whom 630,000 were Jewish --
perished at Auschwitz. While even such lower figures are incorrect, they
show how the Auschwitz story has changed drastically over the years. (note
3)

Bizarre tales

At one time it was seriously claimed that Jews were systematically
electrocuted at Auschwitz. American newspapers, citing a Soviet eyewitness
report from liberated Auschwitz, told readers in February 1945 that the
methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an "electric conveyor belt on
which hundreds of persons could be electrocuted simultaneously [and] then
moved on into furnaces. They were burned almost instantly, producing
fertilizer for nearby cabbage fields." (note 4)

And at the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief U.S. prosecutor Robert Jackson charged
that the Germans used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously
"vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace
left of them." (note 5) No reputable historian now accepts either of these
fanciful tales.

The Hšss 'confession'

A key Holocaust document is the "confession" of former Auschwitz commandant
Rudolf Hšss of April 5, 1946, which was submitted by the U.S. prosecution at
the main Nuremberg trial. (note 6)

Although it is still widely cited as solid proof for the Auschwitz
extermination story, it is actually a false statement that was obtained by
torture.

Many years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant Bernard
Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers tortured the former
commandant to obtain his "confession." Hšss himself privately explained his
ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two
and half million Jews. I could just as well have said that it was five
million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be
obtained, whether it is true or not." (note 7)

Even historians who generally accept the Holocaust extermination story now
acknowledge that many of the specific statements made in the Hšss
"affidavit" are simply not true. For one thing, no serious scholar now
claims that anything like two and a half or three million people perished in
Auschwitz.

The Hšss "affidavit" further alleges that Jews were already being
exterminated by gas in the summer of 1941 at three other camps: Belzec,
Treblinka and Wolzek. The "Wolzek" camp mentioned by Hšss is a total
invention. No such camp existed, and the name is no longer mentioned in
Holocaust literature. Moreover, the story these days by those who believe in
the Holocaust legend is that gassings of Jews did not begin at Auschwitz,
Treblinka, or Belzec until sometime in 1942.

No documentary evidence

Many thousands of secret German documents dealing with Auschwitz were
confiscated after the war by the Allies. Not a single one refers to a policy
or program of extermination. In fact, the extermination story cannot be
reconciled with the documentary evidence.

Many Jewish inmates unable to work

For example, it is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were unable
to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, sick, or weak
were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who could be worked to
death were temporarily kept alive.

But the evidence shows that, in fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish
inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For
example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the
chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and
Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jewish inmates in
Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining
Jewish inmates -- some 21,500, or about 86 percent -- were unable to work.
(note 8)

This is also confirmed in a secret report dated April 5, 1944, on "security
measures in Auschwitz" by Oswald Pohl, head of the SS concentration camp
system, to SS chief Heinrich Himmler. Pohl reported that there was a total
of 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz camp complex, of whom 18,000 were
hospitalized or disabled. In the Auschwitz II camp (Birkenau), supposedly
the main extermination center, there were 36,000 inmates, mostly female, of
whom "approximately 15,000 are unable to work." (note 9)

These two documents simply cannot be reconciled with the Auschwitz
extermination story.

The evidence shows that Auschwitz-Birkenau was established primarily as a
camp for Jews who were not able to work, including the sick and elderly, as
well as for those who were temporarily awaiting assignment to other camps.
That's the considered view of Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University,
who also says that this was the reason for the unusually high death rate
there. (note 10)

Princeton University history professor Arno Mayer, who is Jewish,
acknowledges in a recent book about the "final solution" that more Jews
perished at Auschwitz as a result of typhus and other "natural" causes than
were executed. (note 11)

Anne Frank

Perhaps the best known Auschwitz inmate was Anne Frank, who is known around
the world for her famous diary. But few people know that thousands of Jews,
including Anne and her father, Otto Frank, "survived" Auschwitz.

The 15-year-old girl and her father were deported from the Netherlands to
Auschwitz in September 1944. Several weeks later, in the face of the
advancing Soviet army, Anne was evacuated along with many other Jews to the
Bergen-Belsen camp, where she died of typhus in March 1945.

Her father came down with typhus in Auschwitz and was sent to the camp
hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of sick and feeble Jews who
were left behind when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945,
shortly before it was overrun by the Soviets. He died in Switzerland in
1980.

If the German policy had been to kill Anne Frank and her father, they would
not have survived Auschwitz. Their fate, tragic though it was, cannot be
reconciled with the extermination story.

Allied propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements
of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any evidence of
extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about
gassings at Auschwitz were widespread.

Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and
German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people
were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an
important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast
to Europe by Allied radio stations. (note 12)

Survivor testimony

Former inmates have confirmed that they saw no evidence of extermination at
Auschwitz.

An Austrian woman, Maria Vanherwaarden, testified about her camp experiences
in a Toronto District Court in March 1988. She was interned in
Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1942 for having sexual relations with a Polish forced
laborer. On the train trip to the camp, a Gypsy woman told her and the
others that they would all be gassed at Auschwitz.

Upon arrival, Maria and the other women were ordered to undress and go into
a large concrete room without windows to take a shower. The terrified women
were sure that they were about to die. But then, instead of gas, water came
out of the shower heads.

Auschwitz was no vacation center, Maria confirmed. She witnessed the death
of many fellow inmates by disease, particularly typhus, and quite a few
committed suicide. But she saw no evidence at all of mass killings,
gassings, or of any extermination program. (note 13)

A Jewish woman named Marika Frank arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau from Hungary
in July 1944, when 25,000 Jews were supposedly gassed and cremated daily.
She likewise testified after the war that she heard and saw nothing of "gas
chambers" during the time she was interned there. She heard the gassing
stories only later. (note 14)

Inmates released

Auschwitz internees who had served their sentences were released and
returned to their home countries. If Auschwitz had actually been a top
secret extermination center, the Germans would certainly not have released
inmates who "knew" what was happening in the camp. (note 15)

Himmler orders death rate reduced

In response to the deaths of many inmates due to disease, especially typhus,
the German authorities responsible for the camps ordered firm
counter-measures.

The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated Dec.
28, 1942, to Auschwitz and the other concentration camps. It sharply
criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and ordered that
"camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly
reduce the death rate in the various camps." Furthermore, it ordered:

     The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the
     nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the
     administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp
     commandants . . . The camp doctors are to see to it that the
     working conditions at the various labor places are improved as
     much as possible.

Finally, the directive stressed that "the Reichsfhrer SS [Heinrich Himmler]
has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced." (note 16)

German camp regulations

Official German camp regulations make clear that Auschwitz was not an
extermination center. They ordered: (note 17)

     New arrivals in the camp are to be given a thorough medical
     examination, and if there is any doubt [about their health], they
     must be sent to quarantine for observation.

     Prisoners who report sick must be examined that same day by the
     camp physician. If necessary, the physician must transfer the
     prisoners to a hospital for professional treatment.

     The camp physician must regularly inspect the kitchen regarding
     the preparation of the food and the quality of the food supply.
     Any deficiencies that may arise must be reported to the camp
     commandant.

     Special care should be given in the treatment of accidents, in
     order not to impair the full productivity of the prisoners.

     Prisoners who are to be released or transfered must first be
     brought before the camp physician for medical examination.

Telltale aerial photos

Detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau on
several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged extermination
period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. These photos show no
trace of piles of corpses, smoking crematory chimneys or masses of Jews
awaiting death, things that have been repeatedly alleged, and all of which
would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had been the extermination
center it is said to have been. (note 18)

Absurd cremation claims

Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not
possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and summer of
1944 at Auschwitz, as commonly alleged.

For example, Mr. Ivan Lagace, manager of a large crematory in Calgary,
Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation story
is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even 20,000 corpses
were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 in crematories and
open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond the realm of reality," he
declared under oath. (note 19)

Gassing expert refutes extermination story

America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter,
carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and concluded that
the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically impossible.

Leuchter is the foremost specialist on the design and installation of gas
chambers used in the United States to execute convicted criminals. For
example, he designed a gas chamber facility for the Missouri state
penitentiary.

In February 1988 he carried out a detailed onsite examination of the "gas
chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek in Poland, which are either
still standing or only partially in ruins. In sworn testimony to a Toronto
court and in a technical report, Leuchter described every aspect of his
investigation.

He concluded by emphatically declaring that the alleged gassing facilities
could not possibly have been used to kill people. Among other things, he
pointed out that the so-called "gas chambers" were not properly sealed or
vented to kill human beings without also killing German camp personnel.
(note 20)

Dr. William B. Lindsey, a research chemist employed for 33 years by the
Dupont Corporation, likewise testified in a 1985 court case that the
Auschwitz gassing story is technically impossible. Based on a careful
on-site examination of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz, Birkenau and
Majdanek, and on his years of experience, he declared: "I have come to the
conclusion that no one was willfully or purposefully killed with Zyklon B
[hydrocyanic acid gas] in this manner. I consider it absolutely impossible."
(note 21)

Notes

  1. Nuremberg document 008-USSR. IMT blue series, Vol. 39, pp. 241, 261.;
     NC&A red series, vol. 1, p. 35.; C.L. Sulzberger, "Oswiecim Killings
     Placed at 4,000,000," New York Times, May 8, 1945, and, New York Times,
     Jan. 31, 1986, p. A4.
  2. Y. Bauer, "Fighting the Distortions," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Sept.
     22, 1989; "Auschwitz Deaths Reduced to a Million," Daily Telegraph
     (London), July 17, 1990; "Poland Reduces Auschwitz Death Toll Estimate
     to 1 Million," The Washington Times, July 17, 1990.
  3. G. Reitlinger, The Final Solution (1971); J.-C. Pressac, Le Cr|matoires
     d'Auschwitz: La Machinerie du meurtre de mass (Paris: CNRS, 1993). On
     Pressac's estimates, see: L'Express (France), Sept. 30, 1993, p. 33.
  4. Washington (DC) Daily News, Feb. 2, 1945, pp. 2, 35. (United Press
     dispatch from Moscow).
  5. IMT blue series, Vol. 16, p. 529-530. (June 21, 1946).
  6. Nuremberg document 3868-PS (USA-819). IMT blue series, Vol. 33, pp.
     275-279.
  7. Rupert Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235; R. Faurisson,
     The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
  8. Archives of the Jewish Historical Institute of Warsaw, German document
     No. 128, in: H. Eschwege, ed., Kennzeichen J (East Berlin: 1966), p.
     264.
  9. Nuremberg document NO-021. NMT green series, Vol. 5. pp. 384-385.
 10. Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Costa Mesa, Calif.), p.
     124.
 11. Arno Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution' in
     History (Pantheon, 1989), p. 365.
 12. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT green series, Vol. 8, p. 606.
 13. Testimony in Toronto District Court, March 28, 1988. Toronto Star,
     March 29, 1988, p. A2.
 14. Sylvia Rothchild, ed., Voices from the Holocaust (New York: 1981), pp.
     188-191.
 15. Walter Laqueur, The Terrible Secret (Boston: 1981), p. 169.
 16. Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2. NC&A red series, Vol. 4, pp.
     833-834.
 17. "Rules and Regulations for the Concentration Camps." Anthology, Inhuman
     Medicine, Vol. 1, Part 1 (Warsaw: International Auschwitz Committee,
     1970), pp. 149-151.; S. Paskuly, ed., Death Dealer: the Memoirs of the
     SS Kommandant at Auschwitz (Buffalo: 1992), pp. 216-217.
 18. Dino A. Brugioni and Robert C. Poirier, The Holocaust Revisited
     (Washington, DC: Central Intelligence Agency, 1979).
 19. Canadian Jewish News (Toronto), April 14, 1988, p. 6.
 20. The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution Gas
     Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek (Toronto: 1988). Available
     for $17.00, postpaid, from the IHR.
 21. The Globe and Mail (Toronto), Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3

Summary

The Auschwitz extermination story originated as wartime propaganda. Now,
more than 40 years after the end of the Second World War, it is time to take
another, more objective look at this highly polemicized chapter of history.
The Auschwitz legend is the core of the Holocaust story. If hundreds of
thousands of Jews were not systematically killed there, as alleged, one of
the great myths of our time collapses.

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From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Sun Aug 11 07:34:39 PDT 1996
Article: 56452 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Holocaust extermination claims
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:20:22 -0800
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To: Hilary Ostrov 

Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> 
> In <320D09E3.69F4@kaiwan.com>, Greg Raven  wrote:
> 
> >hebe@algonet.se wrote:
> >>
> >> This is the text for a SA-song sung by students in Germany 1934:
> >>
> >>         "Sharpen the long daggers against the sidewalk
> >>          Dig them down in the body of the jew
> >>          A tide stream of blood must sipper"
> >>
> >> and so on...
> >>
> >> I don't know if my english is the best but, I ask all revisionists a
> >> question: how do you pinheads dismiss texts like this, when you're
> >> denying the Holocaust? The Holocaust happened! It's a matter of
> >> record. The only ones who deny it are people with ties to racial-hate
> >> groups and antisemitic groups!
> 
> >It would only take a few minutes of your time to familiarize yourself
> >with the revisionist position on the Holocaust, and then you could
> >answer questions such as this for yourself.
> 
> Finally a true statement from Mr. Raven!  Indeed it does take only a
> few minutes of one's time to ascertain the "position" of those who
> mistakenly call themselves "revisionists."  However, it is interesting
> to note that Mr. Raven has _ignored_ the question in the post to which
> he pretends to respond.  Why _do_ you persist in dismissing such
> texts, Mr. Raven?  And why do you obfuscate instead of answering
> questions?

As can be clearly seen in my post, I do not dismiss "texts like this."
Are you so ideologically driven that you cannot understand posts you not
only read but to which you respond?

> >Revisionists do not deny the Holocoaust. Revisionists do not deny that
> >many Jews suffered and died during the Second World War.

> >Revisionists DO say that there was no German program to exterminate
> >Europe's Jews, that numerous claims of mass killings in "gas chambers"
> >are false, and that the estimate of six million Jewish wartime dead is
> >an irresponsible exaggeration.
> 
> Indeed they DO utter such _unsubstantiated_ assertions (freedom of
> speech is very much a blessing here - how else would we know how
> totally bereft of honesty these apologists really are?!) with
> predictable regularity.  They vainly hope that if they repeat
> themselves - and recycle their lies and distortions - often enough
> sooner or later someone will make the mistake of giving them credence.

We keep repeating this because it is true, it is what we believe, and we
continue to hope that if we say it long enough and often enough, perhaps
people reading it -- even people such as yourself -- will understand
that we mean what we say, not what others "interpret" us as saying.

> >If
> >you have evidence to show that the revisionist position in wrong, it
> >should not be necessary for you to stoop to personal attacks or question
> >people's motives to make your point.
> 
> To the contrary, Mr. Raven:  are you not aware of the old maxim "He
> who asserts must prove."  As you yourself noted at the beginning of
> your post, it takes only a few minutes to ascertain the so-called
> "revisionist position."   That you have repeatedly failed to
> substantiate your claims is evidence in itself of its "wrongness."

It is not the revisionists who assert the existence of fantastic
chemical slaughterhouses, for which there are no plans, no budgets, no
physical remains, etc. If you believe there is or was such a thing as a
Nazi gas chamber, all you need do is produce it.

> Incidentally, if the so-called "revisionist view" had any truth to it,
> those who promote it should have no difficulty presenting a coherent
> alternative explanation for the overwhelming body of existing evidence
> - which includes the Nazis own records and testimonies of both
> perpetrators and survivors.  To date, they have failed to do so.

For over 15 years, articles in The Journal of Historical Review have
done just this, along with other materials that express the revisionist
position. Indeed, what makes the revisionist position so strong is that
there are alternate explanations for virtually all of the so-called
evidence presented in support of Holocoasut extermination claims.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Sun Aug 11 07:34:40 PDT 1996
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: [Fwd: Nazi gas chambers]
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:23:41 -0800
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-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:10:27 -0800
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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> ihrgreg@kaiwan.com writes:
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> Why yes, thank you. You're posting your web pages again. I don't suppose
> you'll stick around to defend your ludicrous claims this time, will you?
> 
> >Gassing expert refutes extermination story
> 
> This is incorrect. No gassing expert is mentioned, and no extermination
> story is refuted.
> 
> >America's leading gas chamber expert, Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter,
> >carefully examined the supposed "gas chambers" in Poland and concluded that
> >the Auschwitz gassing story is absurd and technically impossible.
> 
> This is incorrect. Fred Leuchter was a con artist. He is now bound by a
> court order forbidding him from misrepresenting himself as an engineer.
> 

If you don't agree that Leuchter has the expertise and competence to
evaluate claimed Nazi gas chambers, please supply the name of the person
you do find experienced and competent, along with the results of their
comprehensive and thorough examination of the alleged Nazi gas chambers.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


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From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Sun Aug 11 12:14:00 PDT 1996
Article: 56519 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust extermination claims
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:03:30 -0800
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To: Hilary Ostrov 

Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> I, for one, have never doubted that you "mean what you say" when you
> claim that "Hitler was a great man"  and that he was "about the best
> thing that could have happened to Germany."

	   "After visiting these two places [Hitler's mountain home and
"Eagle's Lair" near
       Bertesgaden], you can easily understand how that within a few
years Hitler will emerge
       from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most
significant figures who ever
       lived.

       "He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a
menace to the peace of
       the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he
lived and in the manner of
       his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the
stuff of which legends are
       made."

	   John F. Kennedy

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Tue Aug 13 08:05:16 PDT 1996
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust extermination claims
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:14:03 -0800
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To: Hilary Ostrov 

Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> 
> In <320DF642.3032@kaiwan.com>, Greg Raven  wrote:
> 
> >Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> >> I, for one, have never doubted that you "mean what you say" when you
> >> claim that "Hitler was a great man"  and that he was "about the best
> >> thing that could have happened to Germany."
> 
> >          "After visiting these two places [Hitler's mountain home and
> >"Eagle's Lair" near
> >       Bertesgaden], you can easily understand how that within a few
> >years Hitler will emerge
> >       from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most
> >significant figures who ever
> >       lived.
> 
> >       "He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a
> >menace to the peace of
> >       the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he
> >lived and in the manner of
> >       his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the
> >stuff of which legends are
> >       made."
> 
> >          John F. Kennedy
> 
> Nice of you to paste this in for us Mr. Raven.  However, perhaps you
> would also post the URL from which this quote was taken - and the
> Title, Author and Page of the book where this alleged quote may be
> verified.

I do not have the book information with me at the moment, but it is from a recently-released 
book entitled something like "Berlin Diary" or "Letters from Berlin." The outhor is JFK, and 
the passage, as I remember it, is shown both typeset and in facsimile.

--
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Tue Aug 13 08:05:17 PDT 1996
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust extermination claims
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:08:38 -0800
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Greg Raven wrote:
> 
> Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> >
> > In <320DF642.3032@kaiwan.com>, Greg Raven  wrote:
> >
> > >Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> > >> I, for one, have never doubted that you "mean what you say" when you
> > >> claim that "Hitler was a great man"  and that he was "about the best
> > >> thing that could have happened to Germany."
> >
> > >          "After visiting these two places [Hitler's mountain home and
> > >"Eagle's Lair" near
> > >       Bertesgaden], you can easily understand how that within a few
> > >years Hitler will emerge
> > >       from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most
> > >significant figures who ever
> > >       lived.
> >
> > >       "He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a
> > >menace to the peace of
> > >       the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he
> > >lived and in the manner of
> > >       his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the
> > >stuff of which legends are
> > >       made."
> >
> > >          John F. Kennedy
> >
> > Nice of you to paste this in for us Mr. Raven.  However, perhaps you
> > would also post the URL from which this quote was taken - and the
> > Title, Author and Page of the book where this alleged quote may be
> > verified.
> 
> I do not have the book information with me at the moment, but it is from a recently-released
> book entitled something like "Berlin Diary" or "Letters from Berlin." The outhor is JFK, and
> the passage, as I remember it, is shown both typeset and in facsimile.

Try: Prelude to Leadership: The European Diary of John F. Kennedy:
Summer 1945. Washington, DC: Regnery Publishing, 1995. The facsimile of
the diary page on which the above quote appears is on page 2 of August
1, 1945.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Tue Aug 13 08:05:18 PDT 1996
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust extermination claims
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:11:42 -0800
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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> In article <320D89B5.A14@kaiwan.com>, ihrgreg@kaiwan.com says...
> 
> >For over 15 years, articles in The Journal of Historical Review have
> >done just this, along with other materials that express the revisionist
> 
> Well, 15 years minus their time spent in litigation.

Litigation has nothing to do with it. The Journal of Historical Review
was first published in 1980, and it still being published to this day.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg


From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Tue Aug 13 11:40:46 PDT 1996
Article: 57109 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Wir scheissen auf die Freiheit der Judenrepublik
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 21:37:23 -0800
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Mike Curtis wrote:
> 
> Greg Raven  wrote:
> 
> >Revisionists do not deny the Holocoaust. Revisionists do not deny that
> >many Jews suffered and died during the Second World War.
> >
> >Revisionists DO say that there was no German program to exterminate
> >Europe's Jews,
> 
> Despite all the evidence to the contrary.

There are no plans or orders to exterminate Jews. On the other hand,
there are a great many documents attesting to the Nazis' attempts to
resettle the Jews outside of Europe. All known Nazi policies and actions
clearly show that they were at least as concerned about getting Jews out
of Europe as, say, the Zionists.

> > that numerous claims of mass killings in "gas chambers"
> >are false,
> 
> Despite all the evidence to the contrary.

What claim of mass gassings do you find credible?

> > and that the estimate of six million Jewish wartime dead is
> >an irresponsible exaggeration.
> >
> 
> Prove it.

I would suggest that you read, "The Dissolution of Eastern European
Jewry," by Walter N. Sanning. Although there are many population studies
of this period dealing with the Jews, this is one of the best, and
clearly shows that, as Dr. Arthur Butz has said, the best argument
against an alleged Nazi extermination policy of the Jews is that the
Jews were still alive after the war.

> >Finally, people from all walks of live, of all religious faiths, and all
> >racial backgrounds, agree with the revisionist view of the Holocaust.
> 
> To varying degrees. Most are like Moran and Giwer, however.

The quality of anti-revisionists is certainly no higher.

> > If
> >you have evidence to show that the revisionist position in wrong, it
> >should not be necessary for you to stoop to personal attacks or question
> >people's motives to make your point.

-- 
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
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From ihrgreg@kaiwan.com Tue Aug 13 23:12:22 PDT 1996
Article: 57178 of alt.revisionism
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From: Greg Raven 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Four million in the Black Book? Citation please.
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:11:47 -0800
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To: Jamie McCarthy 

Jamie McCarthy wrote:
> 
> (A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups:
> alt.revisionism)
> 
> Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com) wrote:
> 
> > Furthermore, the Black Book in 1946 claimed that there were four million
> > JEWISH victims at Auschwitz and its satellite camps.
> 
> Mr. Raven, I happen to have a copy of the hard-to-find _Black Book_.
> My edition is (c) 1980 Vad Yashem, English translation (c) 1981 by
> Holocaust Publications, Inc.
> 
> I cannot find mention of the figure four million.
> 
> Please give me a page number, or, if we have different editions, tell
> me which testimony or essay to look in.
> 
> What I do find is the description on the cover:  "Documents the Nazis'
> destruction of 1.5 million Soviet Jews."  And the very first sentence of
> Yitzhak Arad's essay is "During the Second World War the Nazis murdered
> six million Jews, among them one and one half million on occupied Soviet
> territory."  (p. xv)
> (snip)

The book is entitled "The Black Book: The Nazi crime against the Jewish
people." It was published by the Jewish Black Book Committee in 1946. On
page 396 it says:

	Four million Jews -- about two-thirds of the six million who perished 
	in Europe at the hands of the Nazis -- were murdered at Oswiecim and 
	its subsidiary camps.

If you want more information for your mathematical calculations, you
should know that on page 377 this same book describes Chelmno as the
place:

	Where one million three hundred thousand died

Enjoy.

--
Greg Raven (ihrgreg@kaiwan.com)
PO Box 10545, Costa Mesa, CA 92627
http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg

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