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Whenever an entity takes up arms, such an entity must consider the
possibility of using their arms in some offensive or defensive manner.
The entity must consider the risks associated with armed conflict.

We find ourselves now in a situation where many are drawn to militias.
Instinctively, these people understand that their interests and
objectives, whatever they may be, can be better protected or achieved
through group action than through individual action.

A well-articulated motivator of militia members is a concern about the
over-reaching influence of our government.  Also, it seems unlikely
that our government will, to any significant degree, willingly capitulate
to the political desires of the militias.  Due to the conflicting 
interest of militias and government, militia members should understand 
that their militia activities might eventually lead to armed conflict 
with what is by far the most well-armed and best equiped military force 
in history.

What cause, then, can be worth such a risk?  Many in the militia
movement would reflexively suggest minimizing the size and scope
of government, preserving Second Amendment rights, and restoring
the Constitution.  But these reasons, noble as they are, are not a full
explanation.  They do not encompass the natural spirit of those
attracted to malitias.  They, in themselves, are not robust motivators
commesurate with the risk of armed conflict with the government.
These reasons, in fact, carefully avoid voilating the central taboos of
the ruling orthodoxy: the primacy of race and the morality of serving
one's own race (especially when one's own race is the White race).

Having not been around the militia movement, I have been, however,
nearby.  Based on my observations, I beleive typical, White (which is
the vast majority of) militia members have innate, subconscious,
unarticulated, and (at present) unarticulable racial feelings.  There is
a high correlation between the positions that such members hold on
many socio-political issues and the positions that one could
objectively expect a White nationalist to hold on those same issues.
Like most White people, their racial loyalty can only be revealed after
carefully teasing away the obligatory liberal cant.

My email of a few days ago advises that certain posters to MAM
desire that discussion of racial morality be forbidden and be censored
unless such discussion denies or condemns such ideas.  In spite of
the fact that many of these individuals posture themselves as
opponents of the established order, they are practicing the religion of
racial egalitarianism, which is the foundation of the establishment
orthodoxy.  At the same time, they seek to deny dissenting
information to others.

The jewel in the crown of their corruption is the preposterous pretext
that discussion of racial matters (when done from an affirmative
perspective) is not germane to the militia movement.  The censors who 
have infiltrated this movement have done so precisely to influence the 
less chatty ones away from their natural honor and duty to their 
Posterity and toward an ideology that, in the absence of racial 
considerations, is merely abstract concepts that exist only within 
the mind and have no external or substinative reality.

The pied pipers are on the march.

Ken P.


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With most of his vituperations (which comprised about two-thirds his
post) deleted, The Burning Man wrote:

>> They do not encompass the natural spirit of those
>> attracted to malitias.  They, in themselves, are not robust motivators
>> commesurate with the risk of armed conflict with the government.
>> These reasons, in fact, carefully avoid voilating the central taboos
>> of the ruling orthodoxy: the primacy of race and the morality of
>> serving one's own race (especially when one's own race is the White
>> race).

> Constitutional Militias are NOT motivated by 'preserving racial
> purity'. . .  

Very few White people speak in terms of 'preserving racial purity.'  
However, most White people have an instinctual, albeit nebulous, desire 
to advance the interest of their own kind.  With patient and 
non-threatening prodding, most White people will make statements that are 
consistant with the rudiments of White nationalism.  The nebulousness, or 
lack of focus of this desire is due to the fact that any potential 
spokesman for this desire is systematically marginallized by our organs 
of opinion.  Everywhere the average White person looks, as far as media, 
government, academia, etc. go, it's wall-to-wall anti-racialism.

The few militia people that I have met are actually more racially 
conscious than the average American.

> We believe in the equality and
> dignity of all men.

'Equality' is a vauge word whose meaning can change from one conversation 
to the next.  However, the 'dignity of all men' is not mutually exclusive 
with geographic racial separation.  I have a right to walk into my own 
house; but I do not have a right to walk into my neighbor's house without 
being invited; and vice versa.  Yet there is no animosity or sense of 
unfairness associated with this arragement.

> That's the principle that drove our ancestors
> towards fighting for independence and freedom.

The American War for Independence had nothing to with establishing the 
principal of racial egalitarianism.

> This is the exact OPPOSITE of what motivated the Nazis to kill
> between 30 and 40 million people in WWII. They were racists,
> like you are. 

This is a gross distortion of the political complexities related to WWII. 
 At any rate, you have demonstrated that do not want to seriously discuss 
racial issues, but prefer to intimidate dissenters to your religion into 
silence.  Also, people like you never mention the tens of millions of 
non-combatants murdered in the Bolshevik Revolultion, which, unlike the 
American Revolution, really was a revolution based on the inate sameness 
of individuals.

> What they sold the German people was called
> 'The Big Lie' by Adolf Hitler himself, in his autobiography
> 'Mein Kampf'.

"The Big Lie" is usually associated with the following passage in _Mein 
Kaumf_ (Manheim translation, p. 231): "It requires the whole bottemless 
falsehood of the Jews and their Marxist fighting organization to lay the 
blame for the collapse on that very man who alone, with superhuman energy 
and will power, tried to prevent the catastrophe he foresaw and save the 
nation from its time of deepest humiliation and disgrace.  By branding 
[General and presidential candidate Erich von] Ludendorff as guilty for 
the loss of the World War, they took the weapon of moral right from one 
dangerous accuser who could have risen against the traitors to the 
fatherland.  In this they proceed on the sound principle that the 
magnitude of a lie always contains a certian factor of credibility, since 
the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to 
be corrupt rather than consiously and purposely evil, and that, 
therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more 
easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they 
themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were 
too big.  Such falsehoods would never enter their heads, and they would 
not be able to believe in the possibility of such monsterous effrontery 
and infamous misrepresentation in others; yes, even when enlightened on 
the subject, they will long doubt and waiver, and continue to accept at 
least one of these causes as true.  Therefore, something of even the most 
insolent lie will always remain and stick--a fact which all great lie 
virtuosi and lie-clubs in this world know only too well and also make the 
most treacherous use of."

Obviously, the above is not the writing of one advocating the use of big 
lies, as you have implied and as many other anti-White-Nationalists 
typically state more explicity.  I cite this passage to highlight the 
usually unchallenged dishonesty that is so vigorously used to marginalize 
White racial consciousness.

[reguarding banishment]
> We as a free people
> have that right here, and in our society at large.

I suppose that the NG and its moderator have the authority to censor and 
ban whomever they wish.  (Although, in the case at hand, I don't think 
it's something that they should feel particularly proud of.)  But if you 
feel that I and others who think as I do should have no voice in 
political discussions, then you really have no respect for the spirit 
of free inquiry that is embodied in the First Amendment.  You are simply 
another cog in the establishment machinery, mouthing the slogans of 
Americana while holding a quite different hidden agneda.

Ken P.


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With his vituperations and ad hominems deleted,ahabiz@aol.com 
wrote:

> [W]e ain't the infiltrators,
> *we* are the movement...

Well let's see.  Suppose we were to conduct an opinion poll on 
racial issues, questioning randomly selected, White militia 
members.  Confidentiality of responses would be absolutely 
garanteed.  Here is a sample of the questions:

1.  The house next to yours is up for sale.  Would it be O.K. with 
you if Blacks were to move in?
     a)  Actually, I would prefer to see a White couple or family 
move in.
     b)  Yes.  In, fact I would prefer to see them move in.  Our 
contry's strength is in it's diversity, and my neighborhood is too 
White at this time.

2.  Assume that you had the ability to see the future.  Suppose 
that you learned that 150 years from now on this continent there 
will be no people that resemble yourself, your relaitives, or your 
ancestors.  The only inhabidants would be Blacks, "Hispanics," 
Asians, and mixures thereof.  How would you feel?
     a)  Sad.
     b)  Indifferent.  Everyone is beautiful, in their own way.  
Besides, there is no such thing as inate human differences.

3.  How do you feel about homosexuality?
     a)  Sodomy is repulsive, unsanitary, and immoral.
     b)  Diversity of sexual expression is to be celebrated.

4.  Your daughter brings home her date -- he is Black.  How do you 
feel about this?
     a)  Distressed; disappointed in my daughter's judgement.
     b)  Delighted that my daughter is experiencing the enrichment 
of multiculturalism.

5.  Currently, our nation admits over about one million non-Whites 
per year as legal immigants to this country.  There also hundereds 
of thousands of non-White illegal immigrants.  Since 1965, tens of 
millions of non-Whites have been given U.S. citizenship.  In 1960, 
our country was about 90 percent White; in 1990, it was about 75 
percent White.  Our census bureau projects that by 2050, Whites 
will be a minority in the U.S.  Is this a desirable trend?
     a)  I think non-White immigration should be reduced.
     b)  The more immigrants, the better.  This new blood 
invigorates our nation.

I would predict that the militia members, like most White 
Americans, would give responses that would be more consistant with 
White nationalism that with the egalitarianist dogma of Arlin and 
other liberal posters on MAM.  Remember, survey responses would be 
strictly confidential.  Respondants would not be subject to verbal 
abuse for giving politically incorrect responses.

Arlin (if indeed, he really does have tens of thousands of armed 
militia members at his command) has not wormed his way into a 
leadership position to help militia people achieve their desires 
(unspoken, as they are), but to thwart those desires.  This is 
what I mean by infiltration.

Ken P.


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ahabiz@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In article <848037819$25455@atype.com>, "Ken P."  writes:
> 
> >
> >Obviously, the above is not the writing of one advocating the use of big
> >lies,
> 
> little netnazi, everything hitler wrote was based on lies, so citing his
> works just shows the fundamental lies upon which your entire organization
> is founded

This is a childish argument on the level with, "I'm rubber and you're 
glue.  Everything you say bounces of me and sticks to you!"  

The Burning Man wrote, "What they sold the German people was called 'The 
Big Lie' by Adolf Hitler himself, in his autobiography 'Mein Kampf'."  I 
replied by quoting the passage in _Mein Kampf_ that he was refering to 
and then wrote:

"Obviously, the above is not the writing of one advocating the use of big
lies, as you have implied and as many other anti-White-Nationalists
typically state more explicity.  I cite this passage to highlight the
usually unchallenged dishonesty that is so vigorously used to marginalize
White racial consciousness."

I'm sure you understand.

> ...oh and the correct spelling is 'kampf'...sheesh....

Oh, well.  Everyone is entitled to an occasional fox pass.

Ken P.


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j.p. wrote:
> 
> Ken P. wrote:
> >
> > I would predict that the militia members, like most White
> > Americans, would give responses that would be more consistant with
> > White nationalism that with the egalitarianist dogma of Arlin and
> > other liberal posters on MAM.  Remember, survey responses would be
> > strictly confidential.  Respondants would not be subject to verbal
> > abuse for giving politically incorrect responses.
> ---
> here's a couple more questions in the same vein:

[snip of parody of my questions]
 
>  I would predict that most militia members, like just about anybody who
> can tell the difference between themselves and a sandwich, will answer
> those questions by asking, "Where is answer 'c', the one that doesn't
> betray the stupid leading question of the examiner, and which also
> doesn't involve me going to bed with my examiner's straw man?"

Actually, I tried to avoid straw man options.  Many of the "b" options 
were typical of anti-racialist rhetoric seen here on MAM.  On the 
question of immigration, for example, two weeks ago, Deen Pete replied 
to a posting of mine in which I advocated a reduction in immigration to 
the U.S.  Pete wrote: "Nobody suffers from legal immigration.  
Immigrants keep this country fresh and alive, renewing our spirits."

Even if the anti-racialist here do not publicly embrace the full anti-
White, open-borders, gay-rights, multicultural agenda, then there is the 
widespread predilection among them toward egalitarianism.  They believe 
that it is immoral to draw distinctions and see differences between 
individuals based on race, sexual preference, citizenship, etc. (For 
just one example of many, see the Mike S. Medintz, Nov 15, posting, "Re: 
Infiltration of Militias.")  The end result of policies based on either
multiculturalism or egalitarianism is the same: the biological 
extinction of the White race.

Many White Americans sense and are disturbed by the growing dispossesion 
of their people.  However, they have been largely (but not entierly) 
conditioned to think of such concerns as immoral.  So there is this 
cognitive dissonance.  Such an individual would be attracted to the 
liberatarian-anti-government rhetoric of militias (as well as certian 
third-party political movements).  The anti-racialist MAM posters seek 
to establish with the dissaffected White person that, here in the 
militia movement, as with every other organ of socio-political opinion, 
White racial concerns are belittled and vilified.  It is my opinion that 
many of the anti-racialists are attracted to the militia movement 
precisely for the opportunity to redirect the ideology of the movement 
-- a motive quite different from that of the organic militia member.

Structure a survey any way you please that will elicit the degree of 
racial consciousness among White militia people.  Conduct the survey in 
a stricly confidential manner.  You will find a great disparity between 
the rank-and-file militia members on the one hand, and the chatty class 
at MAM on the other.  Again, the chatty class seeks not the fulfillment 
of militia racial concerns, but the twarting of those concerns.  Therin 
lies the infiltration and the deception.
 
Ken P.


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ahabiz@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In article <848037785$25441@atype.com>, "Ken P."  writes:
> 
> > Suppose we were to conduct an opinion poll on
> >racial issues, questioning randomly selected, White militia
> >members.
> 
> sorry little netnazi, we don't work that way - we in the Constitutional
> Militias don't distinguish by skin color.  

So you say, speaking only for yourself and your fellow chatty 
infiltrators at MAM.  BTW, the idea that "the only thing that 
distinguishes the races is the color of their skin" is to physical 
anthropology what illiteracy is to literature.

> Also,
> as I've said, you will not be allowed to infiltrate or subvert our units.
> deal with it.

And the field will be free for you to practice your anti-White ideology 
without fear of dissent.

Ken P.


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sheldon sheps wrote:

> mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

> >In article <848117959$29557@atype.com>, Brian Smith  wrote:

> >>Name a race which has establshed more organizations to preserve the
> >>environment than Whites?
> >
> >Name a single organization dedicated to preserving the environment that
> >consists only of whites.
> 
> The group from the United States North East, The White Mountain
> Preservation Society.
> 
> Sheldon

Back when I was a member of the Sierra Club, I never saw anyone but 
White people.  Even the quasi-environmentalist, American Youth Hostel 
was all-White.  Most likely many environmental groups are engaged in 
programs to increase their "diversity," but only Whites seem to be 
naturally drawn to environmentalism.

I dropped out of the SC a few years ago, because were not (and still are 
not) dealing seriously with the mother of all environmental problems, 
both in the U.S. and worldwide: overpopulation.  Looking over SC 
literature from the 1960's and '70's, one can see acknowledgements of 
the seriousness of this problem.  But now in the 1990's, when U.S. and 
world populations are much higher, they say nothing.  Why?

Well, the answer is very simple.  It is now obvious that the major 
groups contributing to population growth are non-White.  White 
popluation in the U.S. is just about holding even.  The major cause of 
population growth here is non-White immigration, and the high fertility 
of these immigrants.  The Sierra Club is terrified of being called 
"racist," so it says nothing of this very serious problem.

The SC characterizes all environmental problems as ones of capitalist 
greed.  These days, they never publicly recognize that what drives 
environmentally impacting industries is the demand for goods and 
services by ordinary people.  People consume resources.  The more 
people, the more consumption, the more impact on the environment.  (Read 
_The Population Explosion_ by Paul & Anne Ehrlich.)

All the other so-called environmental groups are just as bad.  Only 
Negative Population Growth has any integrity on immigration and 
population.

Ken P.


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Copyright (c) 1996 - Ingrid A. Rimland

November 15, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

After I came back from Vancouver, I received a call from Ernst who 
sounded
chipper as can be and told me happily:  "I am on Vancouver Island in the
city of Nanaimo.  I am trying to find Ken McVay to see if I can get an
interview. . . " and I said:  "You are kidding!"

Yesterday, after having cleaned up yet another mail bomb mess that took 
me
more than four hours to download onto my hard disk so I could finally get
rid of it, I learned the finer details of the story while editing Ernst's
Power Letter for November.

In it, there is a little segment there for ZGram readers to preview and
savor.  Entitled "The elusive "Nizkor boss" - Ken McVay", it offers food
for thought.

Here's Ernst:

"I have lived and worked in the same location for over 21 years.  I have
been bombed in 1984, burned out in 1995, and was sent a mail bomb a few
weeks after the fire.  Each time, some Jewish group or individuals, in
calls to the press, have claimed credit for those acts.  Yet I still talk
to Jews.  In person.  Freely and practically daily.

McVay, just what is the big deal?

I had some business to conduct in Western Canada where Ken McVay resides.
I had plans to meet with my attorney and advisors, translators and
supporters.  While I was there, I wanted to take the opportunity to drop 
in
at the Nizkor Office, meet and, hopefully, interview Ken McVay - at the
very least, I hoped to get a little more acquainted!  After all, we have
"known" each other since September of 1995 when the Nizkor people
announced, in alt.revisionism, I believe, that since we were not going to
be joining them in the sewers of that newsgroup that they populate, they
were going to ". .  . follow us onto the Web" - or words to that effect.

Out of that, and many letters back and forth, all of which are archived 
for
posterity, grew the aborted "debate" that triggered last year's cyberwar
about Free Speech on-line - another Zündel First.

Ever since, we have linked with Nizkor on every one of our documents,
stating "We do not recruit;  we convince.  Truth has no need of coercion.
For relentless Holocaust promotion, on the other hand, contact Nizkor."

If people click on "Nizkor", it takes them straight to their page where
Deborah Lipstadt, in "Denying the Holocaust", is quoted, for her part, as
follows:

"...truth is far more fragile than fiction...reason alone cannot protect 
it."

We beg to differ, see?  Makes us look good by comparison, doesn't it?

My plan had been to make a video or at least a radio interview with
Nizkor's "Director and Founder," Ken McVay, to be broadcast all over 
North
America by satellite, and later over 60 cities on Public Access TV.  
Nizkor
could have reached millions of people with their Holocaust Promotion  
story
- entirely free of charge!

But no dice!

We had sent an e-mail message to that effect, and had been told that 
McVay
had been for five years on the Internet and that I could meet him there -
whatever that was supposed to mean.  The suggestion sounded to me like
something out of a cheap Western - I thought that I was challenged to
another electronic shoot-out at the OK Corral.

This response made me think that Ken's handlers - or the people for whom 
he
so diligently performs his shabbes-goy job at Nizkor - were shielding him
>from  me.

For my part, I had face-to-face in mind.

And so I decided to take the ferry across to Nanaimo,  B.C., and visit 
Ken
personally, shake his hand, look him straight in the eye, share a cup of
coffee with him, shoot nothing but the breeze, and then see if there was 
a
chance to do an interview.  I was prepared to be grilled by Nizkor 
staffers
and volunteers, and actually figured that we might build some bridges.  
(I
am still dreaming of that live debate on national or even international 
TV,
perhaps broadcast from some prestigious university campus.  I do not 
easily
give up!)

I got off the boat, looked up a map, and drove to what I thought was the
Nizkor Office advertised on the Internet.  Imagine my surprise when I 
could
only find a mail drop - the kind you see in most cities where frequently
"fly-by-night" outfits operate their shady enterprises.

I looked at it, and then I filmed it for posterity, to get at least a 
head
start.  It took me a while to come to realize that either McVay is a 
midget
and lives in one of those mail boxes that Nizkor is renting - and which I
thought naively was their "suite" number in some stately office complex -
or they have something to hide.  The Anti-Racist-Action Marxist terrorist
group in Toronto is similarly stationed - or so, at least, they said on
their grant application form to fleece the Canadian tax payers.

This situation says a lot.

You can call me at the Zündel-Haus, and I personally answer the phone.  I
take great care to be accessible.  You can visit me at a real location 
with
an address listed in the telephone book where grown-up people live and 
work
in real rooms.  Every day, I talk to people face to face - even enemies 
and
opponents.  My name and full address are on my letterhead and business
cards, in video films and TV and radio shows broadcast around the globe.
That's how I have operated for all of the 38 years I have lived in 
Canada.
That is my style - because I have nothing to hide.

In my opinion and experience, only cowards, liars, con-men and crooks  
hide
behind a PO Box and a sleazy mail drop operation out of some cubbyhole in 
a
shopping mall and refuse to meet in an honest encounter.

Once I realized the con, I decided to call Nizkor's telephone number 
given
on the Internet.  I heard the voice, after being given the "Shalom", of a
Mike Goldberg.  Apparently, in light of recent events, he is the schlepp
for Ken McVay - or Ken, more likely than not, is the goy-schlepp for
Goldberg.

I left two messages on the machine, requesting that he or someone please
call my Toronto Office, where I would pick up my messages.  I mentioned
that I was out West, wanting to meet McVay.

An emergency number was given on that recording, and I took that down and
looked at it, divining to whom it belonged.

Being respectful and mindful of the Jewish Sabbath, I did not call on
Saturday before sundown - but after the Sabbath had ended, I decided the
emergency was now real because I would be returning to the mainland and 
to
Toronto soon.

I called the emergency number and got a rather suspicious-sounding woman 
on
the line who, it turned out, was Mrs. Goldberg.

I once again stated that, by now, it was an emergency and I wanted to do 
an
interview with McVay of Nizkor since I had come all the way across the
continent to do so.  Would someone please call back?

No one, of course, called back.

So I had the telephone number checked out by B.C. Telephone to find out 
who
was using the name of that answering service, and to my not-so-great
surprise, did not get the Midgets at the Mail drop but instead the Mighty
Synagogue in Victoria, B.C., - 95 kilometers away - who hustles the money
for Ken's front.

Task not accomplished, I left.

On my way back to Toronto, I was told by one of my office associates  
that
Harry Abrams, the Jewish hyper-activist of B'nai Brith, Victoria, had 
sent
a threatening type e-mail, demanding that, in the future, if I wanted to
reach Ken McVay, I should only contact him (!) or the R.C.M.P. (!!)

Well.  I was flabbergasted!  Was the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in
Victoria, B.C. taking messages for Nizkor's head honcho?

What do you make of this story?  These Nizkor folks are allegedly into
spreading "truth" about the Holocaust and fighting Nazi lies etc.  I 
wonder
why they are hiding - or what they have to fear.

Frankly, I was saddened by this lesson.  I thought Ken McVay was an
electronic free speech advocate and freedom fighter.  It seems to me now
that he is either a prisoner in that mail box out there in Nanaimo or, 
more
likely, a front man for deeper, darker things - and someone is exploiting
and using him, fearing that in a face-to-face confrontation, Ken would 
not
be able to hack it and might become a convert to the Zündel cause after 
all
- which would be sad day indeed for the synagogue boys.  And for Nizkor!

I understand Ken is an American.  I find it ironic that a man raised on
First Amendment Rights, undoubtedly taught to cherish free speech, now
works, or at least fronts for, an organization that has him utterly 
gagged.


At the Zundelsite, we don't recruit;   we convince.  For relentless
Holocaust promotion, contact the midgets in the mailbox at Nizkor. . . "

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"You never know where bottom is until you plumb for it."

(Frederick Laing)



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