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October 1, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Here is today's press release out of the Zundel-Haus, titled:  "Zundelsite
Holocaust documents deemed 'hazardous to minors'":

"In an unprecedented decision that will reverberate again across the globe
in the ever-more polarizing "Freedom-of-Speech versus Censorship" struggle,
Germany's Federal Minister for Family Affairs, Claudia Nolte, has formally
banned eight documents posted on the Zundelsite as "Literature Hazardous to
Minors".

These "X-rated" articles are classical Revisionist documents featured by
Ernst Zundel, a world-renown historical Revisionist based in Canada.
Zundel's politically incorrect views have triggered one world-wide
"cyberspace stand-off" already that ended in defeat for Germany in February
of this year when Zundel-Mirrors sprang up spontaneously at many
universities worldwide to ward off politically motivated censorship of
material that challenges the Holocaust.

This newest political move on the part of the Helmut Kohl government, too,
seems designed to force Internet providers to restrict  access to the
Zundelsite, this time under the guise of  "protection of minors" - a
political absurdity and technical impossibility, since most minors
accessing the Internet are using their parents' accounts.

This will effectively mean that German- based Internet service providers
(including AOL's and Compuserve's local services) will actually have to ban
all general access to the Zundel pages from their systems - unless they are
willing to risk running afoul of the law.

"This is obviously a devious and clever move to censor historical facts and
truths," says Zundel, known globally for his writings and broadcasts that
challenge the conventional Holocaust version.  "These Allied puppets don't
want their population to see and to study what serious Revisionist scholars
in many countries have compiled.  See for yourself what the political hacks
in Bonn fear!  See if you think it is "pornography" or perfectly legal, if
politically incorrect, material!  You be the judge.  Remember - emergency
is the cloak the tyrant always wears!  This time the 'emergency' is
exposing minors to truth in history?  It's all politically motivated.  The
Kohl regime, teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, thinks it has the time
and energy to involve the anti-pornography outfit of the Family Ministry,
which has proven an abject failure in protecting Germany's youth from the
vultures of the underworld who prey and exploit these innocent young
victims?  They have the nerve to censor free speech by indexing materials,
essays and booklets widely available in other democratic states like
Canada, the USA, England etc.?"

According to recent statistics, 50,000 German children under 18 years of
age are living on the streets in abandoned houses, in parks, hostels, etc.
and support themselves largely by dope dealing, prostitution, muggings and
breaking and entering homes and cars.

"Today's Germany  has to be the pornography and smut center of modern
Europe," says Zundel.  "Every person, young and old, living in Germany or
visiting there, is daily confronted with the filthiest, most perverse,
sexually explicit magazine racks in news kiosks, book stores and even
grocery stores.  Supermarkets are full of material displaying  frontal
nudity, close-ups of genitalia etc.,  accompanied by the most horrific,
disgusting commentary and stories.  The Bonn regime is rocked by scandal
after scandal involving the financing of political parties.  The headlines
are replete with stories of graft, corruption, crime, prostitution, gang
activities, assault and robbery, dope dealing and dope taking, pedophelia,
homosexuality and violence of all kinds.  The German regime seems unable to
stem the slide into chaos and degeneracy.  And yet, this very regime has
dared to strike another blow at freedom of speech, the freedom to inform
oneself and to inform others across frontiers. acknowledged and formally
guaranteed by Germany when it signed the United Nations Declaration of the
Human Rights Act under Article 19!  What does it say?  Here's what it says:
'Everyone has the right of freedom of opinion and expression;  this right
includes opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart
information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.'  That
is precisely what I am doing.  It is fashionable to call me a "Nazi" or a
"Neo-Nazi".  Consider the facts:  There were 350,000 criminal acts
committed in Hitler's Germany, including Austria, in 1938.  There were 1.5
million crimes committed in 1955  and more than 7 million crimes committed
in 1993, not even counting Austria.  And the numbers are steadily climbing.


"The Bonn regime feels threatened by truth.  German youths have nothing to
fear by the truth they find on the Zundelsite - only liberation from a
guilt complex deliberately induced into three generations of unsuspecting
Germans by the so-called Allied "re-educators" and psychological warfare
specialists after Germany's defeat in 1945.  Kohl's Bonn regime is engaged
in censorship of ideas they don't like - the very regime that was founded
on the false premise that the German nation under Adolf Hitler attempted
genocide.  It's called "The Holocaust."  This lie, once exposed, could have
political repercussions for the Allied toadies who have besmirched German
honor and recklessly squandered over $100 Billion on a reparations scheme
which even the former president of the World Jewish Congress, Nahum
Goldman, called '. . . lacking a basis in international law.'"


Ernst Zundel

Thought for the Day:

"They are in dread of this whole thing  becoming undone - and while that's
obvious, the depth of their concern reveals the depth of the lies."

(A ZGram reader, in response to yesterday's news)


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______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).
http://www.webcom.com/ina


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October 5, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

A common, low-intensity tactic, "B.C. Internet", was to routinely
marginalize people who challenged holohuckstering by dismissing them as
fools and by likening them to "flat earthers".  For years, that worked
quite well.

The Internet has changed that, because the folks behind the screens are not
exactly dummies.  They can compare and judge, and the judgment is now in
our favor.

But our foes have yet to realize that this is happening.  I'll show you by
example from a couple of posts from the global Fight-Censorship list:

Wrote one of the Censorship Busters about the Zundelsite in response to
Germany's latest attempt to "X-rate"  eight Zundelsite posts:

"Germany is now, stupidly, censoring web pages declared unfit for minors. .
.  These are pages featured by Ernst Zuendel, a leading political
revisionist located in Canada whose purportedly "Neo-Nazi" views have been
the subject of much controversy in Germany. "

Whereupon Jamie McCarthy of Nizkor drew himself up to full height and
delivered himself of the following:

" Ernst Zuendel is not a "revisionist," political or otherwise. He denies
the Holocaust happened; that's not revisionist history, it's a lie. And his
views are not "purportedly" neo-Nazi; he is a self-described National
Socialist, he hangs pictures of Hitler around his house, he claims the
world would be a better place if Adolf had won the war, that kind of thing
. . . "

". . . that sort of thing" makes the government of Canada spend millions of
tax payers' money to get a fool to quit his stubborn quest about the
Holocaust?

". . . that sort of thing" makes a confounded judge in a Canadian court
suggest that "creative legislation" may need to be passed to shut a
lightweight up?

". . . that sort of thing" gets the Canadian national media unleashed on
multi-million dollar governmental institutions such as the Canadian CSIS
for their corrupt and evil schemes?

". . . that sort of thing" makes Germany block 1500 websites to stop the
message of a featherbrain?

". . . that sort of thing" makes the Zundel name a household name all over
Germany?

". . . that sort of thing" forces his native country to haul out their
heaviest guns, such as their social service ministries, to blast him out of
cyberspace?

Give me a break!

I'll tell you what it REALLY is, ". . . that sort of thing":  No Holocaust
- no money!

No more extortion schemes.  No more blank checks for Israel from Germany
and, not too incidentally, from the United States!

And no more breaking the bones of Palestinians, bulldozing their homes,
jailing them like criminals for wanting to fight for their freedom - all in
the name of the umbrella mantra "Holocaust"!

Bright people everywhere, particularly on the Net, quite clearly see the
patterns, the intellectual cracks behind such utterances as ". . . that
sort of thing" of Nizkor's Numero Uno swain, whose specialty is a
pretentious sophistry.

More yet:  The abject fear and terror for what ". . . that sort of thing"
will yet reveal can readily be glimpsed in this transparent ad, as placed
in December 1995 by the Jewish Anti-Defamation League in the New York
Times.  This ad asked, rather crabbily, I thought:  "What happened to the
missing Jews?"

What happened?  That is what Zundel wants to know.  I know they did not
want an answer, and you should know that, too.  They could have asked Ernst
Zundel.  He has one answer at his fingertips.  To wit:  after  a
world-wide, intensive write-in campaign initiated by the Zundel Team and
directed to Mr. Gorbachev just a few years ago, the Soviets finally
released the remaining Death Books of Auschwitz, which they had captured in
January of 1945.

Surprise!  Guess what?

The so-called "four million" for the "Auschwitz extermination camp",
revised by the Holocaust Lobby to "1.5 million" under duress,  have shrunk
to 74,000 proven deaths!

All meticulously recorded - name, date, nationality, religion, time, reason
and cause of death!

German researcher Tjudar Rudolf, who is fluent in German, English, French,
Yiddish and Polish and understands most Slavic names and languages, has
painstakingly gone over all these Soviet/Auschwitz death register books and
totaled the number of Jewish deaths according to name and religion - even
allowing for slavicized names.

The end result?

Slightly over 30,000 Jewish dead in Auschwitz.  Five to ten times as many
are believed to have perished in just one fire storm called Dresden!

That is what "Holocaust" Revisionism has achieved!  And no one can deny
that much of this Revisionist activity, now catching on like measles
globally, was launched because Ernst Zundel kept on asking:  "Did Six
Million Really Die?"

If that's not a Revisionist par excellence, who is?

This number is, so far, the lowest number of documented Jewish Auschwitz
victims that Zundel has pried loose, and chances are it is a document you
haven't heard about.  That's what is known so far.  Some 30,000 Jews are
known to have lost their lives of ALL causes, including old age, for the
entire duration of Auschwitz and surrounding work camps affiliated with the
main Auschwitz industrial complex - mainly to diseases and overcrowding.
In other words, the Allies had these books in their possession at the time
of the Nuremberg Trials!

You say:  It's still a tragic number.  It is.  But why the need to
exaggerate?  To justify what?  A vicious hate campaign for half a century
against a former enemy? A regime which entered the pages of history some 50
years ago?

And this is only one of MANY such achievements of a man the lapdog media
folks have tried their very best to make the laughing stock of Canada.
They'd like you to believe that - that he's a fool, a nobody, a clown -
but, then, to whom do they report?

This isn't in the least about the Hitler picture that hangs for all to see
and ponder right in Ernst Zundel's gallery of Hitler's water colors in his
library.  It's there all right - I saw it.  But then, so what?  Why not?
Would you hang Joseph Stalin's picture there if you were in Ernst Zundel's
shoes?

It is his home.  It is his gallery.  It's none of Nizkor's business.

Here's what ". . . that sort of thing" is REALLY all about:

It is about a man who is nobody's fool - a man who rattles the foundations
of post WWII political shenanigans, based on the Holocaust, that are of
such enormous breadth and depth of out-and-out political licentiousness no
words suffice to tell!

The Holocaust is not, and never has been, about this touted "Jewish
victimhood."  It is about extortion.  Power politics.  And money and
revenge and hate!

It is about a shadow tribe, entrenched in every government, especially in
the United States and Germany, that counts us for their fools.  They want
to hang onto their Holocaust.  It makes a lot of us susceptible to ever
new, thinly disguised blackmail schemes which have extorted over 100
Billion DM out of Ernst Zundel's Germany alone for the Holocaust Lobbyists
and members of their tribe, institutions and organizations - not to forget
the State of Israel.

The German people, most of whom were not even born when the tragedy of the
Second World War befell their country, have been paying huge, huge sums of
reparations to the Jewish state and people - many of them born in Israel,
second and third generations of non-existent "victims" who won't permit a
count - and an accounting of just what constitutes a "Holocaust".  Unless
these people stop Ernst Zundel, that money will dry up!  Not only that,
they'll have to pay it back, once all the facts are out. Plus interest.
Plus apology for Nuremberg.  World-wide.  On lapdog media!

Ernst Zundel's German people have a right to all the facts.  The Holocaust
Promotion Lobby is brazenly misrepresenting their "facts" to fit their
agenda of intolerance toward all those who would question its
unconsciounable, underhanded methods and goals, employing secret agents,
slush funds, boycotts, threats, assassination by hit squads, home
torchings, parcel bombs - the works!

Victimizing ever new generations of Germans for the misdeeds, real and
imagined, of their grandfathers and soon great-grandfathers is no way to
bring peace, tolerance and harmony to the world.  Ernst Zundel is on record
saying that the persecuted of yesterday have become the persecutors of
today.

That's what ". . . that sort of thing" is really all about.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Silly dogs are more angry with the stone than with the hand that flung it."

(Thomas Fuller)











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October 6, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

We are having server problems - I am not sure that this ZGram is going to
go through.  Nonetheless, let me try:

Somewhere I read recently that there is not one German-descent person in
President Clinton's cabinet or inner circle of advisors.  I don't know if
it is true, but it is certainly worth checking out.  If it is true, we have
no one to blame but ourselves.

This post below was sent to me by several students.  I only saw it this
morning, but I think it is appropriate to use it on this Sunday.  I am
making it an unedited ZGRam, with credits to Ruth Reichmann, who wrote it.


"October 6 is German-American Day. Just as Irish-Americans celebrate St.
Patrick's Day and invite everybody to participate in the celebration, on
German-American Day Americans of German descent invite everyone to
celebrate with them.

In the late 19th and early 20th century, communities with a sizable
German-speaking element would celebrate in grand style the day of the
German-Americans. In Indiana, it was a real Community-Fest with Indiana
governors and Vice President Fairbanks (1899) as speakers. In Evansville,
the grand German Day celebration in 1911 lasted for one week (September
24-30). Cartoonist Karl Kae Knecht presented his impression of the event in
the Evansville Courier.

After the United States entered WW I against Germany in 1917, anti- German
hysteria swept through the country. Many states passed legislation banning
German in schools, religious services, newspapers and associations. Even in
regions predominantly settled by German-speaking immigrants, cultural
tolerance turned to Germanophobia, followed by abrupt abandonment of
German-language programs in schools and colleges, churches, and
associations.

Individual German settlers are documented already in Jamestown, Virginia
(1608), the "birthplace" of America. However, it was on October 6, 1683,
when a group of Mennonites from Krefeld disembarked from the "Concord" (the
German Mayflower) in Philadelphia, constituting the first group immigration
of Germans to America. Over 7 million would follow them over the next 300
years making German-Americans the largest ethnic group in the United
States. In the 1990 Census 1 out of 4 Americans reported German ancestry.

In 1983, for the German-American Tricentennial of this first group
immigration, President Reagan proclaimed October 6 as German-American Day,
honoring the contributions of German immigrants to the life and culture of
the United States. The tricentennial of the arrival of the first German
immigrants was celebrated on that day in Washington and around the Nation.

In 1986, in an effort to reinstate this old tradition, a national campaign
and petition drive was begun by German-Americans and others who thought it
appropriate that the nation recognize and celebrate its German- American
heritage every year. Subsequently, resolutions were introduced in the House
by Reps. Thomas Luken of Cincinnati and Lee Hamilton of Indiana, and in the
Senate by Senators Richard Lugar of Indiana and Don Riegle of Michigan. The
resolutions received great support from around the nation in a concerted
effort of national, regional, and local German-American organizations and
countless individuals.

AN OLD TRADITION REVIVED: GERMAN-AMERICAN DAY RESOLUTION PASSES CONGRESS
and GERMAN-AMERICAN DAY OBSERVANCE WILL BE OCTOBER 6, 1987, read the
headlines of German-American newspapers. On August 6, 1987, Congress had
approved S.J. Resolution 108, designating October 6, 1987 as
German-American Day. It became Public Law 100-104 when President Reagan
signed it on August 18. A proclamation to this effect was issued October 2,
1987 by President Reagan in a formal ceremony in the White House Rose
Garden at which time the President issued the proclamation and called on
Americans to observe the Day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

German-American Day is a time of celebration, of raising awareness,
strengthening a sense of identity and pride in the contributions of
German-speaking immigrants and their descendants to the building of this
nation. The designation "German" is used in a cultural, not in a political
sense, thus including the German-speaking Swiss, Alsatians, Austrians,
Germans from Eastern Europe, and German Jews.

There are celebrations on or around German-American Day in Washington, D.C.
particularly also at the German-American Friendship Garden--followed by
receptions and other events such as a German-American Day Festival. More
recently an ecumenical church service has been held at the National City
Christian Church. And there are celebrations in clubs and organizations
around the Nation.

In the Hoosier state the Indiana German Heritage Society has been the
catalyst for a public celebration, usually held October 6, from 11 a.m. to
1 p.m., at the Indianapolis City Market Plaza with proclamations by the
Governor and the Mayor, and with music provided by "Die Doppel Adler
Musikanten," and a folk dance demonstration by "Die FledermQuschen" of the
German-American Klub. This public event is to remind others to celebrate
this day in their club, their organization or church. Americans of German
descent have contributed much to the growth, strength and vitality of the
Hoosier state. With 37.5% of our population claiming some German ancestry,
German-Americans are still the largest ethnic group in the state.

In 1995, following the example of other ethnic groups who celebrate a
heritage month--such as the African-Americans, the Hispanic-Americans,
Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans and American Indians--the United
German-American Committee (UGAC-USA) passed a resolution "to declare the
period from mid-September to about mid-October German-American Heritage
Month. All of the activities in the German-American community that fall
within this period (i.e. Steuben Parades, summer festivals, Oktoberfests,
concerts, exhibits and other special events) should be identified as
celebrations of our German-American heritage."

Thought for the Day:

"Few persons fully appreciate what magnificent racial treasures America
possessed at the beginning of the nineteenth century.  The colonial stock
was perhaps the finest that nature had evolved since the classic Greeks. .
. Our grandfathers threw away this opportunity in the blissful ignorance of
national childhood and inexperience."

"Lothrop Stoddard in "The Rising Tide of Color.")




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October 7, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


This morning, let me brighten your day with the happy news of yet another
thoroughly bushwhacked exterminationist, followed by a few updates on
revisionist ammunition, which is getting ever more prolific and ingenious.


=46irst, the Talmudic gyration in the wake of admitted defeat, a description
of which was sent to us out of France:

*       "It has to be now admitted finally that there is no proof, no
evidence whatsoever that the Nazi gas chambers ever existed, claims French
"historian and novelist" Jacques Baynac.

Extremely hostile to revisionists and especially to Robert Faurisson (with
whom he had a dispute in October 1980) and a friend of exterminationist
historian Nadine Fresco, with whom he published a few years ago an article
in Le Monde against R. Faurisson, J. Baynac now seems  desperate. In a long
article published in two issues of a Swiss newspaper ("Le Nouveau
Quotidien", September 2, p.16, and September 3, p.14), he draws the
conclusion that obviously no one can bring any proof that the Nazi gas
chambers ever existed. The strange solution he advocates is to try instead
to find the proof that the non-existence of the so-called gas chambers is
impossible!

The article is bursting with hard criticisms against the historians, the
lawyers, the journalists who, in his opinion, have been, for so many years,
accumulating so many methodological and tactical errors that today, as a
result, the revisionists appear, on the scientific plane, as the winners.

A major blunder, he thinks, was to trust and to use Jean-Claude Pressac. In
=46rance, according to the Fabius-Gayssot law (13 July 1990), inspired by
Great Rabbi Ren=E9-Samuel Sirat, it is a criminal offense to dispute the
existence of "crimes against humanity" as defined and sentenced by the
International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-1946, or by any French
or international court.

As a matter of fact, this means that, in Voltaire's country, anyone who
questions the Holy Jewish Trinity of the alleged genocide, the alleged Nazi
gas chamber and the alleged 6 million, is liable to a prison sentence (1
month to 1 year), to a fine (2,000F to 300,000F) and other possible
penalties.

But, as we see now, the trouble is that none of those judges did care for
any evidence of the Nazi gas chambers.

Therefore, how should anyone in France be sentenced for not believing
something which obviously was not proven (to) those judges?"

*       Two detailed and descriptive catalogs are now available out of the
Zundel-Haus, one for Zundel videos and one for Zundel audios.  Not even I
knew of the wealth of historical detail available in these tape
collections.  Order your catalogs, if for no other reason than to get a
feel for the sheer mule work that Ernst Zundel has, over the years, put
under his belt.  If the spirit should move you, include a donation.  (Hint:
Overseas postage is $4 minimum!  Add to that the cost of production.
Round off your total guess to $10)  The address is:  Samisdat Publishing,
206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5A 2L1.

*       Folks are immensely excited about a new website that has just made
its debut on the Web.  I only skimmed it, but it seems to be the colorful
graphic depiction of the famous Ball Report, based on the Allied areal
photos and technical illustrations that expose the nonsensical claims made
about Auschwitz.  These drawings come in easily understandable form.  The
URL is http://www.air-photo.com  and John's e-mail is info@air-photo.com
Visit!

*       Also, Michael Hoffman II, who wrote a poignant profile of Ernst
Zundel in "The Great Holocaust Trial", a 1986 book that is now banned in
Canada, now has his own web page.  It can be perused at
http://www.hoffman-info.com  Feedback, please, on that one also.

*       Then there is the new web page of the CAUSE Foundation, headed by
Doug Christie's legal "twin" in the United States, the courageous civil
rights attorney Kirk Lyons.  His URL is http://www.cheta.net/cause

Kirk Lyons is best known for his work on behalf of the Waco survivors, but
he has done other legal pioneering work with the Montana Freemen and other
White and Black nationalists.  He is articulate and daring.  I personally
wish there were more interaction between us and huge, huge pockets of
thoroughly disgusted US citizens, such as the Waco and Oklahoma City
Conspiracy Hunters, people who see the enemy exactly as we do and are more
than willing to doubt official propaganda spewed out by lapdog media  -
EXCEPT when it comes to the Holocaust.  That one still makes 'em queasy.
Indoctrination has gone deep.

*       Finally, I want to pitch Dennis Nix's web page one more time.  It
is called the Fenix Shopping Mall and can be found at
http://www.smartnet.net/~fbooks/  I absolutely love what I have seen so
far.  It is both smartly organized and filled with news and products.  I'd
really like to see that one developed and acknowledged as our premier
Revisionist shopping mall.

To "shift the camera", let me conclude with this small, thought-provoking
item which was sent to me by a German reader:

"There has been an article in the "Zeitschrift des Bundes Deutscher
Steuerzahler" (Magazine of the German Taxpayer's Association) about a
survey among (about 50, I believe) members of the German Parliament.

Each member was shown a piece of paper with the number "2,000,000,000,000".
No one could name this number! (It is "zwei Billionen", or "two trillion"
in English, respectively.)

Almost nobody had any idea what this number could mean! After being told,
almost everybody still doubted that this is, in fact, the approximate
monetary total debt load of the German state!"

(Ernst added here:  Federal state.  States-, municipal- and corporate debt.
The German state pays DM 190 million in interest payments each day!)

Here's what I want to know:  How is that kind of crippling monetary burden
possible in one of the most disciplined and industrious countries in the
world?  Is it any wonder that Hitler tried to free the German people from
the stranglehold of International Banksters with his prophetic policy of
breaking the "Zinsknechtschaft" - translated, Interest-Slavery?

There will be more in future ZGrams about this topic - but very briefly,
here:  THAT policy of Adolf Hitler's was the real reason why the
established Old Order of Bankers went to war against him.  The world cared
little about the fate of the Jews - that only supplied the excuse and
world-wide, well organized lobby and the boycott agitators.  World War II
was not about this so-called "Hitler Anti-Semitism" -  it was about the
loss of interest obtained without labor.

That is why, to this day, anyone is quashed who exposes this parasite
paradise.  Inundated as we are to this day with threats and exhortations to
Hug the Holocaust - or else! - how many of us know the underlying cause?

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"If you would know what the Lord God thinks of money, you have only to look
at those to whom he gives it."

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October 8, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

To prove just how angelic and tolerant we are, we like to parade Bradley
Smith of CODOH, for reasons that soon become obvious if you ever hear him
speak or get to see his writings.  Bradley is both substantive and funny,
as well as adamantly libertarian, which is the reason why he can be found
in our company and not in Rabbi Cooper's.

He has also done some granite work on US campuses by placing ads and
pushing for a Holocaust debate.  Since we owe Bradley plenty, I am yielding
my ZGram this morning because he needs your help.

Read what he has to say:

"The first week in August, 1996 two U.S. Senators, Barbara Boxer of
California and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, handed multi-multimillionaire
movie mogul Steven Spielberg ("E.T.", "Jurassic Park", and the ugly and
ill-willed "Schindler's List") a check for one million dollars, drawn on
the U.S. Treasury, to fund one of his Holocaust charities, Survivors of the
Shoah Visual History Foundation.

One million dollars may not seem like much money compared to the tens of
millions of dollars the U.S. Government is giving the U.S. Holocaust
Memorial Museum, or the $5,000,000 the State of California gave the Simon
Wiesenthal Center, or to the additional tens of millions in the budgets of
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith and similar organizations, all
of which are dedicated to promoting Holocaust orthodoxy and suppressing
revisionist theory.

Why do I mention these things?

Ever since I became convinced that the standard story of the World War II
Jewish Holocaust needed an airing in an environment of political liberty
and intellectual freedom, that has been the kind of people and the kind of
money I have been up against. I have always been willing to talk to them
but they have shied away from a real human exchange. They didn't think they
needed it. At first they thought ridicule, slander, and guilt by
association would work for them. When it didn't I found myself suppressed
and censored by the print press and blackballed from radio and TV. When I
turned to running essay/advertisements in college and university newspapers
the ante was upped again. Special desks were created at the Simon
Wiesenthal Center and the Anti- Defamation League to defeat my "Campus
Project" and then there were the threats of physical violence and even
threats to kill my daughters. Then, last year, I turned to the Internet and
to the World Wide Web. Now it's a whole new ballgame.

In the morning darkness of July 4th, 1996, as many of you will know, this
Website was shut down by ProtoSource Network, a service provider in Fresno.
There was no notice, no explanation other than a cryptic reference to
"content." We lost our Web address and were not allowed to post a
forwarding address. We lost our readership. We were back OnLine within 14
days but it took weeks of time consuming work to get our readership
back--and increase it. Meanwhile, the district manager for PSN, Rick
Horowitz, has his own homepage with PSN where he promotes Israeli Zionist
culture, Jewish history, the Hebrew language and is linked up to major
exterminationist sites promoting the orthodox Jewish Holocaust story. Some
things never change.

What hurled me into the Jewish holocaust controversy wasn't the argument
over how much of the story is wrong and even fraudulent (I'm not an
historian), but my unwillingness to accept the fact that a mere historical
controversy could become taboo in these United States of America after 200
years of liberty. I was outraged to be told again and again that I either
had to believe the gas chamber stories or had to suppress the fact that I
did not believe them. For a writer, particularly the kind of writer I am,
nothing would have been more base than to keep silent about what I believed
and did not believe. If I condemn others who play the role of censor, how
could I not condemn myself for self-censorship?

The result was that I found myself squaring off against a modern-day cult
which had appropriated to its own uses the catastrophe suffered by the
European Jews during the Hitlerian regime. A cult backed by vast financial
resources and broad cultural and political influence. In the beginning I
had only a typewriter and a little indignation. I was largely ignorant of
revisionist research, had never met a revisionist in the flesh, had no
connections, no funding, and had never worked with media. But my conviction
that I had the right to doubt what I doubted and to shout my doubts from
the rooftops--even if I were wrong--was overwhelming and never flagged. And
if I have that right you have it too, just as you must have the freedom to
believe what I doubt and to shout out your beliefs for all to hear.

Today I am more confident than ever before that neither I nor other
revisionists are mere eccentrics with an obscure ax to grind. The
Governments of Germany, France, Sweeden, South Africa, Austria, the
Netherlands, Australia and Canada do not continue to create repressive laws
to effectively bar the investigation, say, of the flat earth theory. But
they do that and much more to bar publication and suppress the distribution
of revisionist research. And now we have this last, hamfisted attempt to
drive me off the Internet because we are providing access--world-wide
access-- to information about the Holocaust controversy.

The $1,000,000 that the U.S. Congress presented to megabucks film maker
Steven Spielberg (a newspaper photograph shows Senators Boxer and Specter
handing a huge blow-up of the check, like the checks given to lottery
winners, to the grinning Spielberg) is just the tip of tax-funded Holocaust
iceberg. There's the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum; the stagy Holocaust
Days of Remembrance in which ceremonial U.S. military units "commemorate"
(hype) the Holocaust in the U.S. Capitol each year, numerous compulsory
Holocaust "education" programs with their psychological warfare ("role
playing") techniques as well as their debatable (but not in these courses!)
historical facts in high schools and elementary schools across America--and
of course there are the tens of billions of dollars the American Government
gives to the Israeli Government where the Holocaust cult has become the
corner stone of a State religion and has served for half a century as the
sole, morally legitimating excuse for the invasion of Palestine by European
Jews after World War II.

Other revisionists have accomplished prodigies in research and scholarship,
and have (particularly in France, Germany, and Canada) endured tribulations
nearly as terrible as those suffered by dissenters in medieval Europe. My
work is complementary to theirs--taking this dissident scholarship to
ordinary Americans all over the land via the print press, radio and
television, to students and professors alike at scores of university
communities via essay/advertisements in campus newspapers, to a growing
number of dissident intellectuals here and abroad, and now to
independent-minded women and men in the cyber community world wide! In
America, when I started going public asking for open debate on the
Holocaust story, I was the only one doing it. Revisionism was a word
seldom, if ever, mentioned by media when I began invading it. Now it's
become a household word, and the pot never stops bubbling. For better or
worse, I have played a major role in bringing this about.

I am often asked how I make a living and how Committee for Open Debate on
the Holocaust (CODOH) is funded. It's no secret. I publish an insider
newsletter, Smith's Report, and ask those of you who read it, and who
believe the work worthwhile, to contribute financially. The ADL, for
example, has had the best part of a century to develop a large constituency
of rich and influential individuals and organizations to support it. I have
not. This isn't a complaint--it's the way things are. Nevertheless, it
helps make my point clear if I mention that this one Zionist propaganda
organization has a $30,000,000 annual budget and a special desk set up to
"handle" me.

We need your help. Your contribution allows us to maintain this site,
bringing freedom, honesty and reason to Americans and to independent men
and women in countries where revisionism is proscribed by law and
revisionist dissidents are punished by the power of the State. But your
help will do much more. It will help fund our campaign, which is already
under way, to return to radio and TV, to initiate a new round of
revisionist essay/advertisements in student newspapers in top colleges and
universities around the country, and to organize a speaking tour for yours
truly. Now wouldn't that be fun? I haven't the taxing power of the State
behind me, or funding from rich, influential organizations. I can only ask
individuals such as yourself who believe this work should continue that you
give generously to support it. Our overhead is minimal. Every contribution
helps. Freedom, including intellectual freedom, has always depended on the
vigilance and willingness of individual men and women who stand by what
they believe and help those who are in the trenches and expect to stay
there until the last shot is fired."

If you would like to subscribe to "Smith's Report," the annual subscription
is $25.  The address is:  Bradley R. Smith, Post Office Box 3267, Visalia,
California 93278.  Cyberwise, Mr. Smith resides at
http://www.codoh.com/and his e-mail is brsmith@la.tcinet.com

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

""All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it
is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

( Arthur Schopenhauer  - 1788 -1860 )

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October 3, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Some time ago a friend, returning from a guided tour to Israel, told me
that she had tried to ask for directions from a friendly-looking Israeli
woman in the streets taking three small daughters for a stroll, whereupon
this woman said something in Hebrew to her little girls who spit at the
American and then ran away, shrieking in abject terror.  Only afterwards
did my friend discover that this happened because she wore a choker
necklace with a cross.

I thought that was bizarre but an unusual incident.  It turns out that this
isn't so, as amplified by the essay below, written by Professor Shahak, a
scholar well-known to Revisionists.

Professor Israel Shahak is an Israeli citizen, former concentration camp
inmate during WW II, and the founder of Israel's Human Rights League. His
new book "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" about Jewish hatred and contempt
toward Gentiles, comes highly recommended.

Consider excerpts from "Statement by Professor Israel Shahak on the Jewish
hatred towards Christianity":

"Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in
Judaism. Spitting on the cross, and especially on the Crucifix, and
spitting when a Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from around AD
200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of anti-Semitic hostility
was a real one, the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either to
spit so that the reason for doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto
their chests, not actually on the cross or openly before the church. The
increasing strength of the Jewish state has caused these customs to become
more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross
for converts from Christianity to Judaism , organized in Kibbutz Sa'ad and
financed by the Israeli government is a an act of traditional Jewish piety.
It does not cease to be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because of this! On
the contrary, it is worse because it is so traditional, and much more
dangerous as well, just as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was
dangerous because, in part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.


This barbarous attitude of contempt and hate for Christian religious
symbols has grown in Israel. In the 1950s Israel issued a series of stamps
representing pictures of Israeli cities. In the picture of Nazareth, there
was a church and on its top a cross - almost invisible, perhaps the size of
a millimeter. Nevertheless, the religious parties, supported by many on the
Zionist "left" made a scandal and the stamps were quickly withdrawn and
replaced by an almost identical series from which the microscopic cross was
withdrawn."

Professor Shahak then goes on to say that the fear and dislike of the
Christian cross is so deep and irrational that pious Jews even object to
the international "plus" sign used in arithmetic, for it is a cross, and it
may

". . . influence little children to convert to Christianity. Another
"explanation" holds; it would then be difficult to "educate" them to spit
on the cross, if they become used to it in their arithmetic exercises.
Until the early 1970s two different sets of arithmetic books were used in
Israel. . . . In the early '70's the religious fanatics "converted" the
Labour Party to the great danger of the cross in arithmetic, and from that
time, in all Hebrew elementary schools (and now many high schools as well)
the international plus sign has beeen forbidden."

We here in the United States know next to nothing about these attitudes and
practices, and it would help to know them to counter-balance what is
spiritually happening to us.  For instance, I have for years and years done
Sunday morning programs in Unitarian churches and have always felt
comfortable doing them.  Having come from an extremely fundamentalist and
rigid religious background, I found the Unitarian services to be respectful
and non-intrusive of people with a non-traditional and often odd
spirituality.  Lately, however, you see the Star of David in practically
all of these churches, and the proselytizing in favor of "tolerance" for
Judaism is practically non-stop and definitely at the expense of
Christianity which is treated with disdain and contempt.

Until I saw this essay by Shahak, I always wrote this new slant off as
liberal zealotry for which the Unitarians are known;  now I am not so sure.


Writes Shahak:

". . . in recent years, anti-Christian feelings are literally exploding in
Israel (and among Israel-worshipping Jews in Diaspora too) together with
the increase of the Jewish fanaticism in all other areas too.

The real enemies of truth here, as in many other aspects of the Israel
reality, are the socialists, "liberals", "radicals", etc. in the USA.
Imagine the reaction of the US Liberals, and of such papers as "The Nation"
and "New York Review of Books", not to speak of the "New York Times" if in
any state whatsoever, the government financed spitting on a Star of David?

But when here in Israel, the government finances the spitting on a cross,
they are and will continue to be, quite silent. More than this, they helpt
to finance it. United States taxpayers, who are of course mostly
Christians, are finacing at least half the Israeli budget, one way or
another, and therfore the spitting on the cross too."

More and more, this ideological struggle shapes up as the mythical
wrestling of the Dark with the Light, doesn't it - or, to put it in the
Nietzsche vein, of Man poised midway between the Animal and God, with
Choice the only road sign?  Wrote Nietzsche:

"Had Prometheus first to fancy that he had stolen the light, and that he
did penance for the theft - in order to discover finally that he had
created the light in that he had longed for the light. . .?"

All this will make a true Believer yet out of this frank agnostic.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"It's an ill bird that fouls its own nest."

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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

My black friend, Anita, is one of the fiercest Revisionists I know.  She
is, to my knowledge, the only black person who has ever attended  a
Revisionist conference, but she took to the cause like the proverbial duck
took to water.

She and I have had a lot of lengthy conversations on the phone about issues
that unite or divide us, whatever the case might be, and we have both
discovered that there is very little disagreement on any single one -
except when it comes to one word, which is, of course,  "racism."

Anita, who is light-skinned, will always say to me:  "I am more white than
black.  Culturally, I have nothing whatsoever in common with someone from
Nigeria."

Her biggest argument is that racism - why, curse the very concept! - might
make sense in decrepid Europe where there are many, many pockets of
so-called "ethnic purity" but that it makes no sense at all on the
Enlightened  Continent, what with the Melting Pot idea.

I keep on telling her that motley mating means the demise of white AND
black at the expense of grey, and she keeps telling me that Europeans,
though they are rational and reasonable human beings in every other way,
have this one blind spot in their psyches, attesting to arrested grasp of
what is good for them.

I tell her that the kind of "racism" that I knew in the place where I grew
up was a good, healthy, wholesome thing,  not a bad thing at all.  It
simply meant what it proclaimed:  "Love for one's race."  It did not mean
hate for another race;  that never even entered into the equation.  It was
as natural and positive as love for one's own family.  And just  because
you loved your family did not mean, automatically, that you despised
somebody else's family.

We have gone round and round and round on this one, but Anita, I can tell,
flinches ever time the word comes up and I launch into my interpretation.
For her, here in America, the word means ethnic tyranny.  Next, she bemoans
the fact that, even after centuries, her people never quite belonged, which
is White society's fault.

So how did the word and the concept become so incredibly loaded?  I'll show
you a "for instance," via crumb trail.   The speaker was one Israel Cohen,
a Jewish Communist, who said the following prior to World War I:

". . . We must realize that our Party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for
centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mould them to the
program of the Communist Party.

In America, we will aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro
minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.

We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life;  in
the professions and in the world of sport and entertainment.  With this
prestige, the Negro will be able to inter-marry with the whites and this
will begin the process which will deliver America to our cause . . . "

These words were repeated by an American congressman some 30 years ago  and
published in an Australian newspaper.  The person who sent us this clipping
did not include a reference;  therefore, if someone has the time, it might
be worth to double-check the original source and context in the June 7th,
1957 Congressional Record.

I think this is an extraordinary statement.  If someone has the time, I'd
like this double-checked.  It could well be  one key to why we hear so much
of O.J. Simpson.  Endlessly.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The menace of Bolshevism is simply incalculable . . . it is a war of the
hand against the brain.  For the first time since man was man there is a
definite schism between the hand and the head.

Every principle which mankind has thus far evolved:  community of interest,
the solidarity of civilization and culture, the dignity of labor, of
muscle, of brawn, dominated and illuminated by intellect and spirit - all
these Bolshevism howls down and tramples in the mud."

(Lothrop Stoddard in " The Rising Tide of Color " )



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October 10, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Now we must add CNN's Ted Turner to the ever-growing crowd of dignitaries
who do the mandatory, humiliating knee-bend.  According to a U.S. Newswire
via Individual Inc.,

"Ted Turner has apologized to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for comments
he made recently comparing Rupert Murdoch to Hitler. ADL had written to the
CNN chairman that such inapt analogies "trivialize a profound historical
tragedy," and should be avoided.

"I hope you and all those offended by this comment will accept my deepest
apology," wrote Mr. Turner in response to the letter from Abraham H.
Foxman, ADL national director.

The CNN chairman said he realized his choice of words was "unfortunate" and
"offensive," and he regretted the comment. Explaining his comparison
"referred only to the way Hitler managed the news in Germany," he assured
ADL, "it was not intended to offend nor to trivialize the role of an
individual who wreaked so much havoc upon the Jewish people."

Not only in America!  It seems more and more that the arena of the
Holocaust-related turbulence is definitely in Europe.

Now that France has been thoroughly soaked in Revisionist thought, thanks
to the Roger Garaudy Affair, the action has now moved to England, for that
is where the law - that there is "history" that you are not supposed to
touch if you know what is good for you - is not yet quite entrenched,
unlike in many other European countries.

*       As per the Jewish Chronicle, No. 6650, October 4, a Labour
government, if it wins the election, will act to make Holocaust denial a
criminal offence, Opposition leaders pledged this week. Shadow Home
Secretary Jack Straw confirmed that a motion committing a Labour government
to such a law has the backing of the entire leadership.

"For two years, there has been a debate over whether to make it a crime to
deny the Holocaust. Now Jack Straw has made it clear that we will," said
Shadow Foreign Secretary Robin Cook at a Labour Friends of Israel fringe
meeting.  "The way to make sure it [a Holocaust] never happens again is to
make sure we never forget it."

Mr. Shaw defined the promised legislation as a "much-needed measure."  This
legislation would reverse the Tory government's policy not to criminalize
questioning the Holocaust.  "Home Secretary Michael Howard has repeatedly
turned down calls to introduce such legislation, arguing it would restrict
freedom of speech and could increase racial tension," the Jewish Chronicle
reports.

In an address to some 500 people at what is called the Blackpool
Conference, a Mr. Blair, the speaker, revealed that the Jewish community's
principles were

". . . precisely those things for which Labour stands today . . . The
renewal of our ties with the communities is one of the best things that has
happened to us."

*       France, via England:

The October 9, 1996 Times of London had the following provocative headline:
"French chemical firm is linked to Holocaust gas."

It goes on to speculate that a French chemical company may have played a
role in the manufacture of poison gas that had been used, as we have all
been told for half a century, ". . .  to murder millions of Jews in Nazi
death camps."

So says a French university professor who claims that her findings have
been "censored" by a government-backed history journal.

The person who has discovered this newest wrinkle is Annie Lacroix-Riz,
Professor of Modern History at the University of Toulouse.  The good
professor  submitted an article to Etudes et Documents, a history journal
published under the aegis of the Finance and Economics Ministry, in which
she outlined possible links between the French chemical group Ugine and the
manufacture of Zyklon B.

The journal refused to publish.  Mme Lacroix-Riz had cited Ugine's role in
the creation of a "mixed" Franco-German company, Durferrit-Sofumi, which
earned huge profits by manufacturing insecticide between 1941 and 1943.

In two years, so her paper claimed, the  corporate earnings from this
insecticide skyrocketed fifteen-fold.  Now the truth of her discoveries are
being hushed up, according to the professor,  and this is going to turn a
legitimate historical inquiry into a full-blown political scandal.

This story is really complicated and technical, and I am only giving you
the tip of this newest revelation in the ever-weakening attempts to  prop
the gassing fable of the Holocaust, but it might help to know that Mme
Lacroix-Riz is a member of the Communist Party.  It has been reported that
she decided to make public her findings and the journal's rejection after
receiving anonymous and threatening letters.

One was addressed to "Annie Lacroix-Riz who wants to make us believe that
the supposed gas chambers are not a Hollywood lie. . . "  (Source:
http://www.hoffman-info.com)

*       Switzerland

A Reuters release of October 4, 1996 reports that a $20 billion class
action suit has been filed on behalf of Nazi Holocaust survivors against
Swiss banks for allegedly refusing to return victims' money, jewelry and
other assets.

This suit was filed in a Brooklyn federal court, seeking $20 billion in
actual damages, unspecified punitive damages and a full accounting of what
happened to the goodies  deposited by the survivors and their families.
More than 100 banking institutions and individuals are involved as
defendants.  (!)

The claim is that Holocaust victims and survivors had deposited money and
property in various Swiss banks for safe keeping until after the Second
World War.  (Source:  ANA, October 5, 1996)

At this point, so it seems, there is no stopping this!  It's far beyond
Ernst Zundel and the Zundelsite!

There is so much confusion, crumbling and disintegration now involving
powerful institutions and ego-driven personalities that I predict that in
five years you will have Zundel paintings hanging in your living room, and
you will tell your grandkids:

"Well, I for one believed this story all along, when NO ONE would believe
Ernst Zundel and Ingrid started hammering away with her relentless ZGrams .
. . !"

Ingrid


"Praised be the gods that made my spirit mad,
Kept me aflame and raw to beauty's touch."

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October 12, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I mentioned briefly in a previous ZGram that there is huge political
turmoil in Australia because of a speech to the Australian Federal
Parliament that was made by one Ms. Pauline Hanson who did the unspeakable
- she stood up and spoke up for her race.

It is reported that she has had to go into hiding because of threats
against her life.  Word is that media coverage ever since has been non-stop
and vitriolic.

This speech was made on September 10th, 1996.  Below is a shortened
version.  The full text can be read at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hillj/

"My view on issues is based on commonsense, and my experience as a mother
of four children, as a sole parent, and as a businesswoman running a fish
and chip shop. I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has
resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that
Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals.

We now have a situation where a type of reverse racism is applied to
mainstream Australians by those who promote political correctness and those
who control the various taxpayer funded "industries" that flourish in our
society servicing Aboriginals, multiculturalists and a host of other
minority groups. In response to my call for equality for all Australians,
the most noisy criticism came from the fat cats, bureaucrats and the
do-gooders. They screamed the loudest because they stand to lose the most
-their power, money and position, all funded by ordinary Australian
taxpayers.

Present governments are encouraging separatism in Australia by providing
opportunities, land, moneys and facilities available only to Aboriginals.
Along with millions of Australians, I am fed up to the back teeth with the
inequalities that are being promoted by the government and paid for by the
taxpayer under the assumption that Aboriginals are the most disadvantaged
people in Australia. I do not believe that the colour of one's skin
determines whether you are disadvantaged.

This nation is being divided into black and white, and the present system
encourages this. I am fed up with being told, "This is our land." Well,
where the hell do I go? I was born here, and so were my parents and
children. I will work beside anyone and they will be my equal but I draw
the line when told I must pay and continue paying for something that
happened over 200 years ago. Like most Australians, I worked for my land;
no-one gave it to me.

Those who feed off the Aboriginal industry do not want to see things
changed. Look at the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation. Members receive
290 a day sitting allowance and 320 a day travelling allowance, and most of
these people also hold other very well paid positions. No wonder they did
not want to resign recently!

This is a crisis that recent governments have ignored because of a lack of
will. We are regarded as a Third World country with First World living
conditions. We have one of the highest interest rates in the world, and we
owe more money per capita than any other country. All we need is a nail
hole in the bottom of the boat and we're sunk.

In real dollar terms, our standard of living has dropped over the past 10
years. In the 1960s, our wages increase ran at 3 % and unemployment at 2 %.
Today, not only is there no wage increase, we have gone backwards and
unemployment is officially 8.6 %. The real figure must be close to 12 to
13%.

We have lost all our big Australian industries and icons, including Qantas
when it sold 25 % of its shares and a controlling interest to British
Airways. Now this government wants to sell Telstra, a company that made a
1.2 billion profit last year and will make a 2 billion profit this year.
But, first, they want to sack 54,000 employees to show better profits and
share prices. Anyone with business sense knows that you do not sell off
your assets especially when they are making money. I may be only "a fish
and chip shop lady", but some of these economists need to get their heads
out of the textbooks and get a job in the real world. I would not even let
one of them handle my grocery shopping.

Immigration and multiculturalism are issues that this government is trying
to address, but for far too long ordinary Australians have been kept out of
any debate by the major parties. I and most Australians want our
immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism
abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between
1984 and 1995, 40 % of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian
origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not
assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I
want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes
into my country. A truly multicultural country can never be strong or
united. The world is full of failed and tragic examples, ranging from
Ireland to Bosnia to Africa and, closer to home, Papua New Guinea. America
and Great Britain are currently paying the price.

There is light at the end of the tunnel and there are solutions. If this
government wants to be fair dinkum, then it must stop kowtowing to
financial markets, international organisations, world bankers, investment
companies and big business people. The Howard government must become
visionary and be prepared to act, even at the risk of making mistakes.

Abolishing the policy of multiculturalism will save billions of dollars and
allow those from ethnic backgrounds to join mainstream Australia, paving
the way to a strong, united country. Immigration must be halted in the
short-term so that our dole queues are not added to by, in many cases,
unskilled migrants not fluent in the English language. This would be one
positive step to rescue many young and older Australians from a predicament
which has become a national disgrace and crisis. I must stress at this
stage that I do not consider those people from ethnic backgrounds currently
living in Australia anything but first-class citizens, provided of course
that they give this country their full, undivided loyalty.

I call for the introduction of national service for a period of 12 months,
compulsory for males and females upon finishing year 12 or reaching 18
years of age. This could be a civil service with a touch of military
training, because I do not feel we can go on living in a dream world
forever and a day believing that war will never touch our lives again.

The government must do all it can to help reduce interest rates for
business. How can we compete with Japan, Germany and Singapore, who enjoy
rates of two %, 5.5 % and 3.5 % respectively? Reduced tariffs on foreign
goods that compete with local products seem only to cost Australians their
jobs. We must look after our own before lining the pockets of overseas
countries and investors at the expense of our living standards and future.

Mister Acting Speaker, time is running out. We may have only 10 to 15 years
left to turn things around. Because of our resources and our position in
the world, we will not have a say because neighbouring countries such as
Japan, with 125 million people; China, with 1.2 billion people; India, with
846 million people; Indonesia, with 178 million people; and Malaysia, with
20 million people are well aware of our resources and potential. Wake up,
Australia, before it is too late. Australians need and want leaders who can
inspire and give hope in difficult times. Now is the time for the Howard
government to accept the challenge.

Mister Acting Speaker, everything I have said is relevant to my electorate
of Oxley, which is typical of mainstream Australia. I do have concerns for
my country and I am going to do my best to speak my mind and stand up for
what I believe in. As an independent I am confident that I can look after
the needs of the people of Oxley and I will always be guided by their
advice. It is refreshing to be able to express my views without having to
toe a party line. It has got me into trouble on the odd occasion, but I am
not going to stop saying what I think. I consider myself just an ordinary
Australian who wants to keep this great country strong and independent, and
my greatest desire is to see all Australians treat each other as equals as
we travel together towards the new century."

Thought for the Day:

"Remember, democracy never lasts long.  It soon wastes, exhausts, and
murders itself.  There never was a democracy yet that did not commit
suicide."

(John Adams)






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October 13, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

This is a bit of a repeat from a previous ZGram about the ARA - the
"Anti-Racist-Action group that has given Ernst Zundel so much grief.  I am
running it today again for good cause.

It seems that a continent-wide organizational conference is going to be
held in just a few days, and perhaps some of our friends in the Columbus,
Ohio area might want to participate in this conference and send us some
update information about what these people are up to and what tactics and
methods they use.

=46or more information on this conference, call 614 - 424 - 9074 or write
ARA, PO Box 82097, Columbus, Ohio 43202, USA.  The dates are October 18-20
- in other words, Friday through Sunday this week.

=46or a sneak preview of what mob action looks like, go visit the ARA Websit=
e
at http://www.web.apc.org/~ara/   And then imagine this same mob coming
gunning for YOUR children or YOUR parents.

We already know that they are  terrorists who  frequently break the law
with little to no  worry of being vigorously prosecuted in the courts. They
have proven that plenty in Toronto, and there is a good chance you will
soon have such enterprising people in your neighborhood, for it is a
well-known Communist tactic to use the mob as spearhead to strike terror in
the hearts of peaceful neighborhoods.

There already exist 18 ARA chapters in the United States and 4  in Canada.
The ARA followers have described themselves in one of their terrorist
flyers as

". . . We are Jewish people;  we are people of colour; we are anti-racists;
we are queers;  we are women and men who won't give up-we are survivors.
Today, we carry the spirit of resistance to fascism and anti-Semitism."

This ". . . spirit of resistance to fascism and anti-Semitism" translates
itself into two or three messages daily that I find on my 800 number
telephone line.  These messages are often of the vilest filth imaginable
and sometimes contain death threats.

The ARA has a long history of violent confrontation with police, accusing
them in chants and slogans such as "the Cops and the Klan go hand in hand.
. . "and openly bragging about crashing legal meetings of organizations
they don't like.

The ARA has a policy of invading and trashing the homes of their political
opponents.  The ARA has put up inflammatory posters which we have every
reason to believe led to the ultimate fire bombing of the Zundel-Haus.  You
can see the ARA slogans spray-painted illegally on private and public
property all over downtown Toronto, saying "Z=FCndel watch your back!"
"Drive Z=FCndel out!"  No Nazis in the neighborhood!" etc.

In that city, they have accumulated the following record, as per media
articles and Zundel-Haus press releases:

*       On November 13, 1992 about 125 members of Anti-Racist Action threw
eggs and insults at the windows of a restaurant which hosted the Heritage
=46ront for a meeting.  The Toronto Sun carried a photo of two Anti-Racist
Action members attacking a lone "Heritage Front supporter" after the
meeting. (Toronto Sun, November 14, 1992) The same Toronto Sun article goes
on to say "ARA members chanted 'run Nazi scum'  and 'garbage' at Front
members. Some swung picket signs and others chased rally goers down the
street, hurling obscenities".

*       On January 25, 1993 members of Anti-Racist Action ". . . threw
rocks, eggs and insults," according to CTV News that same evening.  The
Heritage Front leaders were ordered to appear before the Canadian Human
Rights  Commission and the ARA showed up to confront and threaten them.

The police had to intervene and form a protective ring around members of
the Heritage Front to escort them safely into the Courthouse.

After the Heritage Front was inside, hearing the Human Rights Commission's
complaint, the ARA turned their anger on the police During the riot that
ensued between police and members of Anti-Racist Action, two police
officers were injured.

Members of Anti-Racist Action pelted the police with barrage after barrage
of eggs, rocks, paint and human excrement bombs.  Police horses were hit
numerous times in the eyes with rocks and other projectiles (The Police
Department later equipped the horses with special protective eye visors to
protect them and their ankles because demonstrators had apparently tried to
cut their tendons)  CTV news that same evening showed clips of Anti-Racist
Action members attacking the Police horses using sticks and eggs.  One ARA
member even threw his bicycle right at one horse.

*       On June 11, 1993  a rampaging mob of about 200 Anti-Racist Action
members stormed the home of the Heritage Front's hotline announcer Gary
Schipper, a political opponent of ARA.  They destroyed every window in the
house.

During this protest, members of Anti-Racist Action wore hoods, and some
wore  paper faces of Mr. Schipper. On the march to Mr. Schipper's house
some of the ARA organizers were pasting up stickers which listed the home
address of Mr. Schipper as well as a clear photograph of him, obviously
meant to invite some imbalanced people to do additional harm.

During the violent attack that followed, ARA members threw paint bombs,
firecrackers, human excrement and bottles of urine.  Several of the crowd
jumped onto the porch of Mr. Schipper's house, smashed the windows and
threw paint balloons through the broken glass window.

During this riot, the ARA caused over $75,000 damage to the house itself
and ruined Mr. Schipper's bed, clothes and his office equipment, which was
in the direct path of incoming "Human Excrement Bombs".

*       On Sat., December 9, 1995 members of Anti-Racist Action attacked a
private meeting of a group called "Citizens for Foreign Aid Reform (C-FAR)"
- a group that protests out-of-control Third World immigration to Canada.

During this attack, the group of masked Anti-Racist Action members spat at
meeting participants, threw milk on a table full of books and assaulted an
elderly lady by slapping her in the face.

When the owner came to ask the motley crew of vigilantes to leave, he was
spat at and verbally abused. After finally being kicked out of this meeting
by police, the ARA continued to pound on the large picture  window outside
the restaurant and harass ordinary customers of the restaurant.

*        On February 5, 1996, eighteen heavily armed members of Anti-Racist
Action attacked 3 people in the Toronto subway whom they assumed to be
"Nazis".  Upon seeing the three people sitting in Kennedy Subway Station,
the Anti-Racist Action members started verbally and physically harassing
them.  (Jonathan Kingstone article, Toronto Sun, Feb. 5, 1996)

While yelling and screaming, one Anti-Racist Action member hit one of the
victims with a steel pipe. Three people were stabbed and one had his
jugular cut, just barely escaping death.

As stated above, the ARA is very keen on postering.  Posters put up at
intervals have shown various people's pictures, license plates and home
addresses the ARA claims are "Hatemongers in the City".

In Toronto, foremost among their targets is Ernst Zundel.  For more than
three years, posters of him have appeared by the thousands all over
Toronto, showing his face in the cross hairs of a rifle.  When he asked for
police action after ARA members were seen and recognized by people on his
team putting up such posters, the police refused to even take down a
complaint - much less act on it and arrest those who advocated this arson
and suggested assassination.  One poster, entitled "Bored?" advocated the
firebombing of Ernst Zundel's house on Carlton Street - which, in fact,
happened only months after the showing up of this poster!  (You can see it,
by the way, by going to
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/05.nizkor/sm_pic.html

The fire depicted there was a $400,000 fire that would have killed Ernst in
his bedroom, had he not been on a trip.  It almost killed four young
renters living in the building to the left who had to jump naked out of a
window.

This poster is a classic in mob audacity.  It shows Ernst' picture, a map
of the area around Mr. Zundel's house, an arrow to his house, and
directions on how to make a firebomb.  As if that were not enough, it shows
the picture of a man throwing a molotov cocktail with the inscription "Your
Picture Here."

Imagine yourself in such a poster!

Nationwide, chapters of this unsavory group are planning their "3rd Annual
Anti-Racist Action Network (ARA-NET) Conference and Party October 18-20 in
Columbus, Ohio to ". . .  meet ARA folks and other activists from all over
the United States and Canada, and build contacts to expand and tighten the
network."  While they are at it, they could expand into your neighborhood.


Ernst would like some people to attend these ARA keynotes and workshops
and, if at all possible, video- or audiotape what they are up to - not
their "breast-feeding" or "basket-weaving" workshops but the political and
theory workshops as well as the martial arts/street action workshops.  Use
palm-size video cam or small cassette recorders.  Send him reports,
literature, photographs etc. in addition to audio and video tapes, if
possible.  He will need that information for the future - it could be a
matter of life or death.

Here are some tips:  Don't go as a group.  Go in pairs or individually.
Don't go there in a double-breasted suit or FBI trench coat;  go in youth
or worker's garb.  Don't shave for two or three days;  put an earring in
your ear, wear tattered Goodwill jeans, dye your hair etc.  If taping is
possible, sit close to the podium; otherwise the sound quality will be
poor.

=46or your information, last year's meeting had speakers from the George
Jackson Brigade which committed violent acts and even bombings in the late
1970s, as well as people from the "Klanwatch"  and the "Center for
Democratic Renewal" - which seems to point to a Morris Dees connection.
Very telling indeed!

You see why people like Ernst Zundel are putting themselves in the
trenches?  In a sane and healthy world they wouldn't have to do that.  They
would live intact lives and craft a wholesome world working to create a
better, safer continent for their children.  That dream is gone.  In
Canada, the New World Order has just about arrived.  It will be globally
ensconced tomorrow, unless good people become determined rookies of the
spirit who know there simply is no choice but to involve themselves and
act.  Do me a favor - go.  So often you have asked what YOU could do.  Here
is your opportunity.  Don't just consume my ZGrams or peruse another
website in the safety of an air-conditioned den or office.

=46or a reminder of what mob action looks like, go visit the ARA Website at
http://www.web.apc.org/~ara/conf.htm  And then imagine this same mob
arriving at your front yard, gunning for YOUR children or YOUR parents.

Once more:  For information on this conference, call 614 - 424 - 9074 or
write ARA, PO Box 82097, Columbus, Ohio 43202, USA.  The dates are October
18-20 - in other words, Friday through Sunday this week.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The mobs of the great cities-sores on the body politic."

(Thomas Jefferson)




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October 11, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Another milestone has been passed:  We have the historical "Leuchter
Report" on-line.  I haven't yet checked all the links, but after today we
are beaming it into the world.  It will be followed in just a few weeks by
the magnificent "Das Rudolf Gutachen"  in German.  To say we are in
business (. . . for how long. . .? ) will be an understatement.

http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/LEUCHTER/leuchtertoc.html

For those of you who would like to take a peek at what Ernst calls his
"Battle Roster", here is a telling preview.  This coming fall and winter,
he will:

1.  Defend himself in a civil libel suit brought against him by Sabina
Citron, alleged Holocaut survivor, who has tried to shut him up for years.

2.  Launch into his counter civil suit against Citron and her coterie of
friends who have made his life a living hell for more than 15 years.

3.  Answer to one Canadian Human Rights Commission hearing brought against
him by the Toronto Mayor's Committee on Race and Community Relations for
material they did not like on the Zundelsite.

4.  For good measure, answer to ANOTHER Canadian Human Rights Commission
hearing, brought by Sabina Citron, who PERSONALLY  did not like what SHE
saw on the Zundelsite.

Says Ernst while licking his chops:  "This one promises to be a really good
fight, for it deals with my favorite topic:  How the whole Holocaust racket
was concocted and evolved into one of the greatest parasitic enterprises in
human history."

5.  Deal with the indexing of eight Revisionist essays posted on the
Zundelsite by the German Family Ministry, a government action which is
meant to stop young Germans from learning how their state has lied to them
and deliberately brainwashed  them about the "Holocaust" topic.

Says Ernst:  "This one will be fought out by my German attorney, even
though in the Germany of Helmut Kohl, legality has long gone out of the
window, and naked, raw state power reigns inside and outside courtrooms.  I
will appeal the indexing in principle and also in order to take these
issues before various Human Rights Tribunals in Europe and elsewhere - to
show the lack of democratic rights and freedoms in today's Germany."

6.  There will also be an appeal fought in the Federal Appeal Court of
Canada on the the still-ongoing case where the Canadian spy agency and the
forces for which it pimps are trying to railroad Ernst Zundel  out of
Canada.   You will remember that a federal court judge ruled that the SIRC
Committee was biased against him and could not sit in judgment over Ernst.


SIRC has now asked Ernst to consent to them being allowed intervenor status
in the appeal.  Says Ernst:  "I have no intention of doing so."

7.  This will mean that the government agencies involved will undoubtedly
ask the Court to rule to be given this status.  EZ:  "So there will be more
court appearances and, of course, more legal expenses to fight this
attempt, before we ever get to the appeal itself."

This is how the fall and winter campaign shapes up.  Tomorrow's mail could
bring still more problems - all of which, I predict, as judged by past
performance, will end up being Zundel triumphs for the coming century.

Support this man.  He isn't fighting for himself, believe me.  He had a
fine, successful life before he took that slingshot in his hands and asked
Goliath:  "Did Six Million Really Die?  Answer me!"

And nothing was ever the same.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

H. L. Mencken's definition of a courtroom:  "A place where Jesus Christ and
Judas Iscariot would be equal, with the betting odds in favor of Judas."







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October 15, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

When Jonathan Pollard, born in America, was arrested, exposed, tried,
sentenced and sent to a long prison term as a spy working for the country
of his first loyalty, Israel, it was drummed into us repeatedly by lapdog
media that, despite this one bad apple, ". . . the Jews are loyal to
America, and Israel is America's greatest democratic ally in the Middle
East . . . " or even ". . . Israel is America's ONLY ally. . . "

The following organizations are now on record for having lined up behind
this American traitor and spy for Israel for a commutation of his sentence
- a man who has been described as having hurt America as much as did the
atomic spies of late '40s, the Rosenbergs, who were dispatched to their
reward - over noisy Jewish-Marxist protests.

Today I simply want to let the evidence speak for itself without any
additional editorial wisdom from me.  The following organizations have
issued statements calling for the commutation of Jonathan Pollard's
sentence:

Last update: June 20th 1995:

A.D.L. Irvine, CA. Regional Board
Avocats Sans Fronti=E8res - (France)
Agudath Israel of America
Aish HaTorah - (Toronto)
American Association of Rabbis
American Jewish Committee National *
American Jewish Congress National *
American Jewish League for Israel
Americans For A Safe Israel (A.F.S.l.)
Americans For Progressive Israel
American Sephardi Federation
American Zionist Movement
Amit Women
Archbishops of San Francisco and Boston
Ascent Institute (Israel)
Association of Children of Holocaust Survivors
Association of Soviet Jewry of Canada
Atlanta Rabbinical Association
Atlantic Jewish Council of Eastern Canada
Baltimore Board of Rabbis *
Baltimore Jewish Council *
Bergen County Board of Rabbis
Beit Halochem (Canada)
Beth Din-Rabbinical Court of Greater Philadelphia
B'nai B'rith Canada
B'nai B'rith International
B'nai Brith Women - Greater Philadelphia Council
B'nai Zion
Board of Deputies of British Jews
Board of Jewish Ministers of Greater Montreal
Board of Rabbis of Greater Philadelphia
Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix
Board of Rabbis of Southern California
Bridgeport Board of Rabbis (CT)
B'rith Sholom
Brooklyn Board of Rabbis
Buffalo Board of Rabbis
Calgary Rabbinical Council - (Alberta Canada)
Canadian Association of Ethiopian Jews
Canadian Council of Reform Zionists (Kadima)
Canadian Friends of the International Christian Embassy - Jerusalem
Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association
Canadian Jewish Congress
Canadian Society for Yad Vashem
Canadian Volunteers For Israel
Canadian Zionist Federation
Cantors Assembly
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Central Council of The Jewish Communities in Sweden
Chabad Lubavitch of Markham Ontario
Chabad Lubavitch of Southern Ontario
Chicago Board of Rabbis
Chicago Rabbinical Council
Chief Rabbi of Denmark - R Bent Melchior
Chief Rabbi of Haifa Israel- R S.Y. Cohen
Chief Rabbi of France - R J. Sitruk
Chief Rabbis of Israel- R A. Shapira R M. Eliahu
Chief Rabbi of South Africa- R Cyril Harris
Child Survivors of The Holocaust- Delaware Valley
Christian Broadcasting Network Inc. - (CBN/ Rev. Pat Robertson)
Cincinnati Board of Rabbis
CIPAC- (Christian Israel Political Action Committee)

City Councils of:
Albany, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Miami Beach, Beverly Hills, W.
Hollywood

Cleveland Board of Rabbis
Columbus Board of Rabbis
Comit=E9 de Coordination des Organisations Juives de Belgique
Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations *
Conseil Repr=E9sentatif des Institutions Juives de France (CRIF)
Coop=E9ration F=E9minine - France
Council of Jewish Organizations of Boro Park
Council of Reform & Liberal Rabbis - U.K.
Dayton Synagogue Forum (OH)
Decalogue Society of Lawyers - Chicago, Ill
Democrats Abroad - (Israel)
East Bay Council of Rabbis (California)
Emunah Women of America
Eternal Life - Hemshesh, Atlanta, Georgia
European Jewish Congress - Mr. Jean Kahn
European Parliament
Evangelical Leadership Campaign to Free Jonathan Pollard
Executive Council of Austrian Jewry
=46ederation of Jewish Men's Clubs Inc.
=46ederation of Jewish Men's Clubs - N Y. Metro Region
=46ederation of Polish Jews of The United States Inc.
=46ellowship of Traditional Orthodox Rabbis
Golden Rule Society Inc.
Greater Orlando Board of Rabbis (Florida)
Hadassah WIZO Organization of Canada
Hadassah - Women's Zionist Organization of America
Herut Likud of Great Britain
Hineni Heritage Center - N.Y.C.
Houston Rabbinical Association - TX
Institute of Woman Today
Interfaith Resources, Inc.
International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists
International Christian Embassy of Israel
Jersey Federation of Temple Youth (J.F.T.Y.)
Jewish Action Initiative (Toronto, Canada)
Jewish Action Alliance
Jewish Civil Right Educational Foundation of Canada
Jewish Community Center on the Palisades (NJ)
Jewish Community Council of Pelham Pkwy, N.Y.
Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council - National (N.J.C.R.A.C.)

Jewish Community Relations Committees of:
Metro West, NJ
The Jewish Federation of Greater Buffalo, N.Y.
The Jewish Federation of Greater Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
The Jewish Federation of Greater Houston (Texas)

Jewish Community Relations Councils of:
(In addition to National resolution)
Atlantic & May Counties, N.J.
Bergen County, N.J.
Broome County, N.Y.
Broward County, Fla.
Boston, Mass.
Central N.J.
Charleston, S.C.
Chicago, Ill
Dayton, Ohio
Detroit Michigan
Dutchess County, - N.Y.
El Paso, Tx.
=46lint, Michigan
Greater Middlesex County, N.J.
Greater Philadelphia, PA. *
Greater San Jose, CA.
Honolulu, HI.
Kingston, N.Y.
Los Angeles, CA.
Mercer County, N.J.
Minneapolis/St. Paul. Minn. (ADL)
New York City
Northeastern New York
Oaklahoma City, OK
Ottawa, Canada
Palo Alto, CA.
Pittsburgh. PA.
Portland, Oregon
Qeens, N.Y.
Rhode Island
Richmond, Va.
Rockland County, N.Y.
Sacramento Region, CA.
Saint Joseph Valley, IN.
San Fransisco, The Peninsula, Marin, and Sonoma Counties
Sarasota Fla.
Scranton, Lackawanna, PA.
Southern Arizona
Southern, N.J.
Springfield, Ill.
St. Louis, MO.
Toledo, OH
Trenton, N.J.
Ulster County, N.Y.
Youngstown Area Jewish Federation, OH

The Jewish Federations of:
Atlanta, GA.
Augusta, C.A.
Berkshires, Mass.
Calgary, Canada
Champaign-Urbana, Ill.
Chicago - Young Leadership Division
Columbus, GA.
Columbus, Ohio
Delaware
Denver & Colorado
Des Moines, Iowa
=46ort Wayne, IN.
Galveston Cnty., TX
Greater Charlotte, No. Carolina
Greater Clifton/Passaic, N.J.
Greater Monmouth County - N.J.
Greater New Haven, CT
Greater Orlando, MA **
Greater Rochester, N.Y.
Greater Rockford, Ill.
Greater Springfield, Mass.
Greater Toronto
Greater Vancouver, Canada
Greater Wilkes Barre, PA.
Greenwich, CT
Halifax, Nova Scotla, Canada
Jacksonville, Fla
Jewish Charities of Lafayette, Ind.
Las Vegas, Nevada
Lee County, Fla
Lincoln, Nebraska
London, Ontario - Canada
Memphis, Tenn.
Michigan City United Jewish Welfare Fund
Montreal, Canada
Northwest, Ind.
Orange County, CA
Palm Beach County, Fla
Peoria, Illinois
Portland Maine *
San Diego, CA.
Sarasota/Manatee, Fla
Shreveport, LA.
Sioux City, Iowa
Sioux Falls, S.Dakota
So. Illinois, S.E. Missouri & W. Kentucky
So. Palm Beach County, Fla
Springfield, Mass
Steubenville, Ohio
Syracuse, N.Y.
The Quad Cities (Ill./Iowa)
The Jewish United Fund of Metropolitan Chicago
Volusia & Flagler Counties, Fla.
Waco & Central TX
Washington DC
Windsor, Ont.
Worcestet, Mass.

Jewish Labor Committee
Jewish Lawyer Guild
Jewish National Fund
Jewish Political Caucus
Jewish Teachers Association- Morim (New York)
Jewish War Veterans of Canada
Jews for Judaism, Canada
Joshua Circle
Judiska Forsamlingen, G=F6teborg - Sweden
Knesset of Israel - 80 Members
Kollel Avreichim -Toronto, Canada
Labor Zionist Alliance of Chicago
Labor Zionist Alliance of New York
Likud Herut of Great Britain
Long Island Board of Rabbis
Long Island Committee for Soviet Jewry
Louis D. Brandeis Society of Zionist Lawyers
Massachusetts Board of Rabbis
Mazal Project - Monsey, N.Y.
Michigan Board of Rabbis
Minnesota Rabbinical Association
Mizrahi Organization of Great Britain
Morris/Sussex County Board of Rabbis (N.J.)
NA'AMAT USA
National Committee for Furtherance of Jewish Education of Nassau County
National Council of Jewish Women of Canada (Toronto Section)
National Council of Young Israel
National Jewish Civil Service Employees Inc. - Chesapeake Regional Chapter
National Jewish Legal Defense Fund Inc.
New Fraternal Jewish Association (Canada)
New Haven Board of Rabbis (CT)
New Jersey State Assembly
New York Association of Reform Rabbis **
New York Board of Rabbis
New York State Assembly - 50 Members
North American Jewish Student Network
North Broward Board of Rabbis (Florida)
North Shore Rabbinical Association - Mass.
North Suburban Synagogue Council (Chicago)
Northern California Board of Rabbis
Notre Dame Law School - Notre Dame, Ind.
Operation Esther- Czech Republic
Oregon Board of Rabbis
Orthodox Rabbinical Council of Cleveland
Orthodox Rabbinical Council of San Francisco
Orthodox Rabbinical Council of South Florida
Rabbinic Fellowship of Greater Pittsburgh
Rabbinical Alliance of America
Rabbinical Assembly
Rabbinical Association of Delaware
Rabbinical Association of Greater Dallas
Rabbinical Association of Greater Kansas City
Rabbinical Association of Greater Miami
Rabbinical Association of Ottawa, Ont., Canada
Rabbinical Association of Vancouver/ Victoria
Rabbinical Board of The Bronx
Rabbinical College of Australia & New Zealand
Rabbinical Council of America
Rabbinical Council of California
Rabbinical Council of Canada, Eastern Region
Rabbinical Council of Far Rockaway & Lawrence, N.Y.
Rabbinical Council of Greater Baltimore
Rabbinical Council of Greater Washington, D.C.
Rabbinical Council of London UK
Rabbinical Council of Greater Manchester, UK
Rabbinical Council of Massachusetts
Rabbinical Council of Ontario
Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
Reform Synagogues of Great Britain
Religious Roundtable/ Ed McAteer- Executive Director
Religous Zionists of America
Rhode Island Board of Rabbis
Rhode Island Federation of Orthodox Jewish Organizations
Rochester Board of Rabbis (New York)
Rockland County Board of Rabbis - (New York)
Rocky Mountain Rabbinical Council
San Diego Rabbinical Association
Second Generation Kol Israel of Cleveland, Ohio
Sephardic Society of Manhattan
Silverthorn Ministerial Association - (Canada)
Simon Wiesenthal Center
Soci=E9t=E9 Civile Professionnelle d'Avocats - (France)
Society For Retired Attorneys Inc., Florida
South Palm Beach Board of Rabbis
St. Louis Rabbinical Association
Suffolk County Bar Association, Mass.
Synagogue Council of America
Tau Epsilon Rho
The Shaarit Haplaytah - Detroit
The Board of Deputies of British Jews
Toronto Board of Rabbis
Toronto Zionist Council
Toronto-Mississigua Regional Multifaith Committee on Spiritual and Religious
Services
Touro College Law Center
Union of American Hebrew Cong. U.A.H.C.
Union County Board of Rabbis (New Jersey)
Union des Etudiants Juifs de Belgique
Union for Traditional Judaism
Union of Council for Soviet Jews
Union of Orthodox Synagogues of South Africa
Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregation of America - (Orthodox Union)
Union of Orthodox Rabbis of The United States and Canada
United Hebrew Congregation of Johannesburg
United Synagogues of America (New York Metropolitan Region)
United Synagogues of Great Britain
Vaad Harabonim of Far Rockaway & Lawrence, N.Y.
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Vaad Harabonim of Queens
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Vaad Hoeir of St. Louis
Vancouver Holocaust Center Society
Washington D.C., Board of Rabbis
Washington State Board of Rabbis
Winnipeg Council of Rabbis (Canada)
Wisconsin Council of Congregation Rabbis
World Jewish Congress - American Section
World Union for Progressive Judaism
World Zionist Congress - 32nd Session
Zionist Organization of America

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* Organizations seeking review with an eye toward commutation
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Thought for the Day:

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October 14, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

As I am slowly slugging my way through the "66 Questions and Answers"
regarding a contested "Holocaust" document in answer to the original
challenge to have a "debate" with Nizkor-a term they strenuously objected
to and abandoned in the wake of the global cyberspace standoff over
Zundelsite material the world was not supposed to see-Question # 22 asks:
"How does the Holocaust benefit Israel?"

One of the answers is, of course, that it removes Jews as a group from
critical investigation and review because of their so carefully politically
cultivated stance of "victimhood."

This morning, I will "kill two flies with one swatter" by illuminating one
of the many Israeli tactics, while writing my ZGram at the same time.  I
will show you by example how being parasitic on a host country while hiding
behind "victimhood" is being done. I will leave you to ponder if, based on
just this one example, "victimhood" will be that useful a Zionist tool in
the future - because, these days, not only individuals are "wising up" but
also powerful state entities such as the tax collecting institutions of
countries such as Canada.

In the 1967 War, for example, Israel captured territories such as parts of
the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Golan Heights.  Canadian contributions, most
of them out of Jewish pockets, help support the 140,000 settlers who live
in the roughly 75% of these illegally Israeli-occupied territories, never
handed back to the Palestinian, the Syrians etc. under interim peace deals.
Some 13,000 settlers alone live in the Golan Heights, which Israel
captured from Syria in the 1967 War, and annexed in 1981 - over
international objections.

Many countries and governments, including Canada, view these heavily armed
Jewish settlements as an obstacle to peace and as a permanent provocation
to the sorely wronged Palestinians.  The return of most of these lands
where Palestinians have lived continuously for millenia, has been the
central focus of protracted peace negotiations for many years and,
especially, in recent years.

These settlements, particularly the West Bank, "stolen fair and square", to
use a famous phrase, are routinely referred to by Jews as "Judea" and
"Samaria" to reinforce the erroneous claim that they "belong" to the
Isrealis, the Forever Persecuted Ones, using the biblical names favored by
Jews who would like you to believe that this land is a birthright from God.
They forget to mention that all but one of the Israeli Founding Fathers
were born not in Palestine but within 600 kilometers of Minsk or Kiev.

That Biblical Entitlement nonsense is, of course, part of why Israeli
claims to the "Holy Land" and the Holocaust Dogma have flourished-it is ".
. . all written in the Bible."

These days, however, Revenue Canada, as one state organization, is
beginning to rattle this claim of politically convenient victimhood by
probing tax exempt donations by Canadian Jews to these Jewish settlements,
as per one article by Martin Regg Cohn of the Toronto Star, Oct 12, 1996:

"Canadian donors are playing a crucial role in backing controversial Jewish
settlements on the front lines of the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts.

A number of Canadian registered charities and affiliates are channeling
millions of dollars to settler groups in the Israeli-occupied territories,
a Star investigation shows.

Revenue Canada stepped in earlier this year to revoke the charitable
licence of the Toronto Zionist Council after confirming it was channeling
money to settlements."

That is an interesting development.  Sabina Citron, Ernst Zundel's
well-known nemesis who keeps on suing him, was mentioned way back in an
article in the Toronto Sun of November 23, 1981, headlined "Zionists want
charges", wherein there is agitation against Ernst Zundel.  The article
states, "Sabina Citron, of the {Toronto Zionist} Council's Holocaust
Remembrance Association. . . "

In a June 1982 promotion for a Holocaust flick "Who Shall Live And Who
Shall Die" on the letterhead of the Canadian Holocaust Remembrance
Association it states in large letters, ". . . affiliated with the Toronto
Zionist Council. . ."

On May 26, 1987, Sabina Citron sued the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
(CBC) on her own behalf, on behalf of members of the Canadian Holocaust
Remembrance Association, and ". . . the Toronto Zionist Council".

More yet, the Toronto Star, of November 23, 1993 states in an article on
Page A3, "But at least one local Jewish group - the Toronto Zionist Council
- has taken up the settlers' cause and is advertising in today's issue of
the Canadian Jewish News for donations to support settlers . . . 'We have
been concerned about the settlers for some time now because it seems the've
been abandoned," said Toronto Zionist Council president Helen Smolack."

The Canadian Jewish News of September 21, 1989, page 36, lists Sabina
Citron, "currently vice-president of the Toronto Zionist Council and a
Co-founder of the Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association."

And so it goes.  All of this is, of course, very revealing and very damning
information.  Those paper trails come back to haunt people, it seems.

Now there is nothing wrong with giving money to your own causes and to your
own people.  Jews have a perfect right to support their own group to the
extent they need support and that support can be marshalled.  Nobody argues
that.  They do not have the right, however, to do that under the cover of a
charitable, tax exempt institution, as not a few fundraising organizations
are doing.  The Toronto Star mentions a staggering 300 charitable
(tax-deductible) Jewish organizations.

According to the Toronto Star investigation,

". . . Ottawa is investigating a number of (Jewish) charities whose
activities may violate Revenue Canada rulings that prohibit charitable tax
deductions for funds spent in the occupied territories.  Revenue Canada
would not identify the targets of its audits.

The Canadian government and the United Nations consider the Jewish
settlements to be "contrary to international law and unhelpful to the peace
process,"  according to recent Revenue Canada correspondence with a
registered charity. . .

"The law says that a charity should not operate against stated public
policy,"  Carl Juneau, acting director of Revenue Canada's Charities
Division, said in an interview.  If they do, they will lose their tax
exempt status.  Directors of such a charity could face prosecution under
the Income Tax Act."

This article goes on to say that

". . . Israeli settlers and fundraisers boast that supporters in Canada's
Jewish community contribute far more, on a per capita basis, than America
and other Jews living outside Israel.

"There's a cartel of Canadian millionaires who give massive amounts of
money," says David Ramati, a resident of the West bank settlement of Kiryat
Arba and who runs Hebcom Communications.

"Toronto is especially known as, in quantity, a small Jewish community, but
in relative terms contributing much more than its percentage (share)," said
Rabbi Eliezar Waldman.  His Kiryat Arba seminary is backed by a major
charity, Mizrachi of Canada;  he is also an officer of Israel's biggest
settler group, Yesha, which says it raised $700,000 a year from Canadians."

Mizrachi Organization of Canada, in its latest public filing with the
Charities Division, shows it raised more than 3.2 million in 1994 and
dispursed 2.4 million.  And this is only one of hundreds of such
"non-profit," tax exempt operations.

"By funding these settlements, 'the charities are subsidizing the state
infrastructure (of Israel),' and that contradicts Canadian foreign policy,
Juneau said."

The Star's investigation shows another little-known registered charity,
called the Press Foundation - which, one would think, might be a journalism
outfit - has been linked with fundraising activities in both the Golan
Heights and the Jewish settlements in Hebron.  Despite keeping a very low
profile, the organization is an impressively  successful opration.
According to its annual public filing with the Federal Charities Division,
it shows it raised $5 million in the fiscal year ending June 30, 1995.  It
disbursed some $4.8 million.

The Star reports that

". . . it is unclear how much of its $4.8 million in disbursements went to
Israel."   The Press Foundation, in its filed papers, claims that its main
activity is to 'help support needy and poverty-stricken families.'"

One of the charities is reported by the Toronto Star as having bought,
among other things, "security equipment" for the squatters in those heavily
armed illegal settlements.  Would uzzis or Galil rifles qualify as
"security equipment"?  Just asking.

Furthermore, I am just wondering how many Jews living on land that once
belong to Palestinians might be needy and poverty-stricken?  I remember a
conversation I once had with my very liberal friend, Nancy, who had just
come back from that part of the world, and who marveled at the wealth of
the Israelis compared to Palestinians.

"It's stark,"  said Nancy.  "There is a dividing line between Israel's
living standard and Palestinian living standard that is as sharp and abrupt
as if drawn by a ruler."

This is just one example of how "victimhood," against the backdrop of the
"Holocaust" is being used, right under the Canadian taxpayers' noses.  Tens
of thousands of Canadian taxpayers pay more taxes because of this
parasitism of those who slip money to Israel under false pretenses.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Here we are sitting in a shower of gold, with nothing to hold up but a
pitchfork."

(Jules Bertillon)


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October 16, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Today, fifty years ago, the Allies hanged Germany's former leaders who had
fought the most desperate war of all times against the New World Order -
although that scheme for total world control was not known by that phrase
in those years, just as the "crime against humanity" for which they lost
their lives like common horse thieves, had not as yet been re-christened as
the "Holocaust."

Stag Magazine, Volume 3, No. 1, December 1996, reported that the
executioner was Sgt. John C. Woods, a Jew.

I'd like to tell you this morning how the condemned men died, and ask the
world to take a moment to reflect.  This information came from the catacomb
media:

"Sgt. John C. Woods, the US Army's official executioner, was given the
"honor" of hanging the . . . martyrs.  He had been the Army's chief
executioner for 15 years and was reputedly the expert in his grisly
profession.

In the prison's gymnasium, three gallows were erected because the deaths
were intended to be slow and torturous, perhaps in keeping with the
Talmud-mandated fate of all real and imagined enemies of the Jews.

(Sgt. Woods) used a short rope that prevented instantaneous death from a
broken neck instead insuring a slow death by strangulation.  He built the
trap door too small so that their facial features would be mutilated during
the fall.  Woods would later boast to the US Army's Stars and Stripes
newspaper that he enjoyed the task, saying that ". . . hanging those Nazis
was the best thing I ever did."

Early that morning, the condemned were told to change into their court
suits for execution.  Streicher refused and guards forcibly dressed him.
On the upper floors, Hess heard the commotion and shouted:  "Bravo,
Streicher!"

*       Foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop was brought out first with
hands bound behind him to make his drop more cumbersome.  At 1:14 a.m.,
Woods pulled the lever and Ribbentrop dropped and 18 minutes passed before
the doctors finally pronounced him dead.

*       Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel went to the second gallows as
Ribbentrop was still strangling on the first.  It took the brave Keitel 24
minutes to die.

*       SS General Ernst Kaltenbrunner was directed to the third gallows,
as the two previous victims were still strangling.  It took 13 minutes for
his excruciating death.

*       Minister Alfred Rosenberg followed, taking 10 minutes to die.

*       Hans Frank was next, dying after 10.5 torturous minutes.

*       Wilhelm Frick strangled at the end of the rope for 12 minutes.

*       Streicher is said to have entered the (gymnasium) in "blazing
defiance."  When asked his name, he refused to answer.  While climbing the
stairs, he was the only martyr to shout "Heil Hitler!"

Upon reaching the platform, he spat in Wood's face and said:  "The
Bolsheviks will hang you one day."  He was the only one not given time for
a final statement - they wanted to begin the slow strangulation of
Streicher as quickly as possible.  He shouted "Purim festival, 1946!" a
reference to the Jewish celebration of their slaughter of 70,000 Gentiles
in the Book of Esther.  As Woods pulled the hood over his head, Streicher's
last earthly words were "I am now by God my father.  Adele, my dear wife .
. . "  Streicher died after a long 14 minute strangulation.

*       Fritz Saukel followed, protesting:  "I die innocently.  The verdict
was wrong.  God protect Germany and make Germany great again.  Let Germany
live and God protect my family."  It took him 14 minutes to strangle.

*       General Alfred Jodl, whose fate disturbed American Army officers,
said simply:  "I salute you, my Germany."  It took him 16 long minutes to
die.

*       Arthur von Seyss-Inquart was the last to hang at 2:57 A.M., after
two long hours of listening to the horror of the slow deaths which began
with the hanging of Ribbentrop.  (We don't know how long it took him to
die.)

No medical certificate of death was ever issued by a doctor, which in a
properly conducted hanging would list the cause of death as a broken neck.


The vindictiveness of the Allied "victors" was evident even after the men's
deaths.  Gruesome photos were made and widely published of the . . . dead
men.  They did not even allow the families to claim the bodies of their
loved ones."

In a final twist of Talmudic vengeance, the dead men were all assigned
Jewish names like "Goldberg" etc. and taken to a Munich crematorium with
the Jewish names filled in the forms.  They were cremated as "Jews".  Then
their ashes were dumped over the railing of a little bridge into the Isar
River so that no monument would ever be built to them - just as Eichmann's
ashes were later taken out to sea and scattered after he was executed and
cremated.

It doesn't matter.  These 131 minutes - and counting - are the real
monuments engraved in many people's hearts.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

'It;s a poor sort of memory that only works backwards."

(Lewis Carroll)






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Good Morning from the Zundelsite

Something very interesting is happening in Australia from a legal point of
view.  Adelaide Institute, with its own Revisionist website, sued for
denial of the Holocaust, seems to be  challenging the Holocaust Promotion
Lobby for a tighter definition of just what they themselves promote:
racial aims or religious dogma.

Here is a press release:

Press Release        15 October 1996

"Dr. Fredrick Toben has rejected the complaint against Adelaide Institute's
Internet site by the Executive Council of Australian Jewry on grounds that
the word Jewish is a religious category.

This means that Section 18c of the Racial Discrimination Act (1975) does
not apply and so Adelaide Institute has no case to answer.

The Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commissioner now has to decide
whether to pursue the matter further through legal means.

"We are aware of the fact that elsewhere in the world attempts have been
made, some of them successful, to enshrine the Jewish concept as a racial
or ethnic category and we view the current complaint against us as such an
attempt. We would oppose such categorisation because it is intellectually
dishonest to do so," said Dr. Toben last night.

He strongly rejected the implication contained in the ECAJ allegations that
Adelaide Institute's work was not of a serious nature.

He said that his work "is of fundamental importance because without looking
into the allegation that Germans exterminated European Jewry in homicidal
gas chambers, we cannot make any sense of post World War II history.
Contrary to popular belief, the existence of homicidal gas chambers has to
this day not been proven, let alone been made the subject of extensive
forensic investigations."

He claimed that such forensic investigation is urgently needed at Auschwitz
before the camp site deteriorates either through further influx of tourists
or through weathering.

Dr. Toben also said that he is aware of the fact that by pressing for such
an investigation, he is questioning the validity of the premise upon which
our view of Germany's role during World War II rests.

"I am not prepared to accept the allegations that my father's generation
was responsible for the creation of homicidal gas chambers without first
looking at all the material facts of such an allegation."

He said, "Surely, if someone accuses the Germans of such a hideous crime,
the first thing to do is to look at the murder weapon. In Germany you
receive a five-year jail term if you dare question the premise of the whole
Holocaust story."

"Asking questions about the homicidal gas chambers is not a denial of the
Holocaust," he claimed. "In any case," he said, "the fire storm that
engulfed Dresden and Hamburg were real Holocausts for which extensive
material evidence was available. And yet for the homicidal gas chamber
story there is just no material evidence available which would prove that
it happened. Why not?"

Dr. Toben hoped that more people would have the courage to speak out and
openly discuss the allegations that Germans exterminated European Jewry in
specially constructed homicidal gas chambers. Industrial chemists and
forensic experts would soon come to the conclusion reached by young German
industrial chemist, Germar Rudolf, who claimed it was a physical and
technical impossibility to gas millions of people.

He said that opposition to the visit of British historian, David Irving,
must be seen in the larger context of world history and in particular how
his views impact on the taboo topic of the Jewish-Nazi Holocaust.

"I call on Mr. Howard and Mr. Ruddock to free themselves from the pressures
put on them by the ECAJ and other individuals who want to prevent British
historian David Irving from coming to Australia. Why are Irving's opponents
frightened to debate him in open forum? I know why because I have
personally met a number of them. They cannot refute his arguments and this
has consequences for Irving's opponents. They will have to admit that their
whole historical research is based upon a false premise, namely that
Germans planned, built and used these huge chemical slaughter houses which
we call homicidal gas chambers. Let's put it to the test."

He said that the media had a vital role to play in opening up this debate
because it is in every journalist's self-interest to have free speech in
Australia."

(End of press release)

Thought for the Day:

"Life is a series of collisions with the future.  It is not a sum of what
we have been but what we yearn to be."

(Jose Ortega y Gasset)

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October 18, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I remember the shock I felt the first time I saw the posters that were
littered by the thousands in downtown Toronto advocating assassinating
Ernst Zundel by showing his face in the cross hairs of a rifle.  I would be
hard-pressed to compare these posters to anything nearly as vicious that a
mob could get away with in what is still supposed to be a Western democracy
that I have ever seen.  Ernst told me in a phone call that night that some
of his comrades had actually identified well-known members of the Marxist
ARA, paint pot in hand, whereupon Ernst called Metro Police asking for
their assistance and protection and pleaded with them to arrest the
terrorists.  Police chose not to check.

Now there is more.

Advocating an "all day PICKET with speakers, music and kosher barbecue,"
and describing themselves as representing "Immigrants and refugees, people
of colour, disabled people, Jewish people, youth . .  we're all being
attacked but we're gonna fight back!" these Marxist, Anti-Racist-Action
terrorists, still flushed and flush with the success of the $8,000 grant
they received, courtesy of the tax payers of the province of Ontario
through the Trillion Foundation, and another $8,000 thanks to the Metro
Toronto Council, have put out thousands of additional terrorist posters in
downtown Toronto yesterday.

Later in the day, I will try to put them up in our news section on the
Zundelsite if they can be scanned and transmitted.  For now, let me
describe them for you:

In the style of a ransom note, these posters display such words as "drop
dead", "politikill", "incorrect", "random killing" and "Rock against
Harris" - words which could be interpreted as a death threat against
Canadian Premier Harris whose picture is depicted next to Adolf Hitler's as
well as the picture of former Governor of Alabama, George Wallace, who was
paralyzed some years ago in an attempted assassination.  The phrase ROCK
AGAINST RACISM appear inside a five-pointed Soviet star.  It does not take
a great deal of imagination to interpret these words as a brazen death
threat to Harris.

Another poster, distributed at the same time and places, targets the
Zundel-Haus for all-day demonstrations on October 25, 1996 and an
invitation to a "kosher barbecue."  Some people knowledgeable of the ARA's
frame of mind see in it a not-so-veiled threat or an invitation to another
fire.  As you may well remember, after the first arson happened following
an ARA postering campaign, anonymous Jewish callers claimed responsibility
for that fire - still unsolved, although the Metro Toronto Police were
given strong leads and descriptions of the suspected arsonist, a punk who
was paid $200 to douse the Zundel-Haus with a flammable liquid in the early
hours of May 7 of last year.

One can only wonder about the warped ideological mindset that permits some
of the Canadian politicians to squander scarce resources on financing what
amounts to state sanctioned terrorism against viewpoints they don't like.
On our news section, I will list these councillors' names and record of
voting on these grants, along with their phone numbers , so you may call
them and give them a piece of your mind.

Let me also remind you, please, that we need comrades to attend the Third
National Conference of all ARA chapters, scheduled for today through Sunday
in Columbus, Ohio, which I described in my ZGram on October 13 at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ZGRAM.3/961013.html
For more information on this conference, call 614 - 424 - 9074.

We need their literature and, if possible, audio recordings of what is
being said and planned.  It could well be a matter of life or death - not
just for Ernst and his comrades, but for your family and mine a few years
down the road.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"We have to condemn publicly the very idea that some people have the right
to repress others.  In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep
within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it,
and it will rise a thousandfold in the future."

(Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn)









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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


Have I got news for you!

Ernst Zundel is now beaming what the Germans call "Revisionistisches
Gedankengut" - meaning Revisionist treasures or jewels - right into Germany
FROM RUSSIA!

Of all the ironies!  From a facility in Russian-occupied Koenigsberg, now
called Kaliningrad, over Russian state radio - an instrument not exactly
known in the past the world over as a beacon of truth and liberation!

We are truly coming of age and full circle!

This has been long in the making, but finally it's here.  As per a press
release just a few days ago out of the Zundel-Haus that went to a few,
select comrades working in their respective corners of the world, this
story is now ready for global dissemination:

"Ernst Zundel will broadcast his popular weekly German Language program,
"Stimme der Freiheit," over a powerful Russian radio station based in
Kaliningrad / Koenigsberg.  The program can be heard loud and clear all
over Europe on 1386 on the dial on the medium-wave or A.M. Band each
Saturday evening from 21 - 22 hours Greenwich time.  We ask for your
support.  Ernst Zundel, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ont. Kanada M5A 2L1"

And, for good measure, in German:

"Zundel funkt jetzt jeden Samstag Abend von 21 bis 22 Uhr in deutscher
Sprache auf der Mittelwelle 1368 aus Kaliningrad/Koenigsberg.  Das Programm
kann ueber ganz Europa von jedem Radio klar und deutlich empfangen werden.
Ein Test-Programm wurde am 12. Oktober '96 bereits ausgestrahlt.  Wir
bitten um Ihre Spende, um die Sendungen aufrecht erhalten zu koennen.
Ernst Zundel, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ont. Kanada M5A 2L1"

Imagine!  A so-called "democratic" country has to rely for its Truth
Information on a man, still sorely besieged in Canada, to get their news
>from  Russia - as though it were at war!

IT IS AT WAR.  The spirit of light is at war with the spirit of darkness.
Make no mistake about that.

The very first time I met Ernst he said to me, speaking of the True World
Order of his dreams:  "It will be so brilliant our eyes may not be able at
first to look at it directly."  He said we were like cave creatures -
people who had been kept in dark dungeons for half a century who would find
themselves all of a sudden exposed to bright sunshine.  It would at first
hurt the mind and the soul, for decades manacled to managed information -
but what glory!

We are living in truly historical times.  I constantly look at my life and
say to myself:  "How much of what is coming will I get to experience?"

Here is a letter from a German woman - not yet in our camp - describing
what it feels like to be cut off from Truth Information censored by alien
interests:

". . . The grandparents used to tell us kids stories about times in Germany
when it was strictly forbidden to listen to BBC radio news. Our
grandparents hid their radio in the basement of their house and only dared
to turn it on with low volume. The family sat closely around the radio and
received illegal British broadcast about battles and political information
during World War II.

The grandchildren could hardly believe those radio stories. We were too
young to understand the full meaning of the story and its context. But from
our point of view we understood that our grandparents hated censorship.

Today I am a parent myself and I censor my little daughter's TV consumption
in order to protect her from nightmares and square eyes caused by watching
telly all too intensely. I am responsible for my daughter who is too young
to make her own decisions.

The German Federal Prosecutor is not my father and I am not a child
anymore. In order to prevent me from receiving information on Internet
which is illegal in Germany, the Federal prosecutor is trying to press
Internet providers to keep that information out of my reach.

In August 1996, the German Federal Prosecutor wrote to German Internet
providers and on-line services telling them that they could possibly be
charged with aiding and abetting persons who are currently the subject of a
preliminary inquiry by the German Federal Prosecutor due to an article
published in a magazine which offended German anti-terrorism laws.

It is practically impossible to filter the flow of data in order to keep
specific WWW pages which are stored on WWW sites in other countries outside
of the German state territory when Germans are allowed to contact these
countries by phone for example - unless the German government decided upon
massive censorship measurements which would be not according to German Laws
as they are today. . .

Despite the pleasant fact that censorship is impossible, the actions taken
by the German Federal Prosecutor and German Internet Providers should not
be left uncommented. . .

Contemporary Germany wants to participate in the European Community as a
civilized and liberal member state and it is not at all my intention to
parallelize today's situation with the Nazi times. But do you understand
that I - after receiving the news about this censorship attempt - was
reminded of childhood stories told to me by my grandparents?. . . "

This letter was, of course, not written for people like us.  In fact, I
doubt it would have been written for us when, just a few weeks ago, eight
Zundelsite Holocaust debunking documents were X-rated to keep them from
being read in Germany.

But the principle is still the same; and it is sublime irony that it is
Zundel who is beaming Truth Information INTO Germany while freedom of
speech inside his native country gets tossed to the four winds.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be."

(Paul Valery)




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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

It's odds-and-ends day today.

*       First of all, a correction and clarification.  In a previous ZGram
on the Nuremberg executioner, Woods, I gave the date of the reference of
the Stag article as December 1996.  That was a typo, of course;  it should
have been December 1946.

Also, many of you have sent me an Associated Press article of someone else
claiming to have been the executioner.  Woods has been in every article and
book that I have ever read.  I leave it up to your imagination why this
disinformation tale is now being concocted.

*       I need your help.  A student website needs someone to help them get
their David Irving tape to work in Real Audio.  E-mail me and let me know
if you can help, and I will help you get in touch.

Also, I need somebody to double-check a Swedish translation of about 6-7
pages against an original.  The same for a Romanian translation.

Finally, someone has volunteered to do a systematic letters-to-the-editor
writing campaign and other assorted outreach.  I envision a small but
highly literate, dedicated corps of writers to comment on and disseminate
news in their own words as it comes in.  This is a very serious volunteer
job requiring sophistication, and I want real commitment to be on "stand-by
as needed".  Please - no loose cannons need apply.

Now to the political news:

*       We get a great many items pertaining to the Middle East conflict,
most of which I could not begin to evaluate, since I know very little about
what's really happening there.  All I can say is that my heart aches for
the Palestinians, and I want to do what I can.  I must tell you, however,
that a lot of these items come anonymous and without reference.  I often
get chided that I go ahead disseminating such information without first
checking it out and making sure that I have all my data pat.  I do not have
a private news bureau.  I do the best I can with what I have;  I see no
merit in saving up my indignation for a rainy day.  Take the item below and
ask yourself if this is something I should put on the back burner until I
have tracked down the source:

"Zionist troops have prevented doctors and ambulances from entering the
West Bank with medical supplies to relieve shortages in hospitals following
the massacre last week.

Relief agencies, Doctors of the World, and Medecin du Monde-Suisse accused
the Zionists of attacking medical personnel. They expressed shock that
humanitarian workers might be targets of Israeli snipers. Among others, Dr.
Mustafa Barghuthi, President of the Union of Palestinian Medical Relief
Committees, was wounded by troops in Ramallah on Friday.

100 Palestinian lawyers have called, meanwhile, for an international court
to try Zionist Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for war crimes, at a
demonstration in Gaza."

*       From France comes word that there is "panic, disarray and
squabbling" in the enemy camp.  Referring to two specific Baynac articles
>from  "le Nouveau Quotidien", one correspondent wrote:

". . . (these articles are) very much an expression of failure,
frustration, and funk. The term "malaise" is a recurring one. In a certain
way, this article will prove as great (if not a greater) boon to our cause
than an outrightly revisionist op-ed piece precisely BECAUSE it was
authored by a true believer trying to make some sense of the "ravages" of
Revisionism.

It's obvious he can't: he's last seen trying to balance a pyramid on its
apex.  One blurb reads [translated]: 'One must prove that the non-existence
of the gas chambers is impossible.'

Wow. It's come to that . . . ! "

How is France going to deal with it?  You guessed it.  More and more "hate
laws" - with ever stiffer penalties.  According to an ANA release, the
French cabinet backed a plan on October 16, 1996 that will

". . .  tighten anti-racism laws and increase penalties for racist
statements. The bill was drafted by Justice Minister Jacques Toubon after
National Front Leader Jean-Marie Le Pen said in August:  "Yes, I believe in
racial inequality, certainly, it's obvious."

Politicians and others said Le Pen should be prosecuted for that statement
under an 1881 law, which was updated in 1972, against inciting racial
hatred. Toubon said that the law should be tightened before it can be used
against statements like Le Pen's.

Under the bill, a racial statement could be punishable by a fine of up to
300,000 francs ($60,000) and a year in prison. If the statement is judged
to be an incitement to discrimination, hatred or violence the punishment
would be 500,000 francs ($100,000) and two years in prison.

Toubon said "In these dangerous times, it is important that we put a stop
to these racist actions."

*       In Austria, the right-wing Austrian Freedom Party, led by Jorg
Haider, has won a third of the seats in the current election. The
increasingly successful nationalist party, which fought on a platform of
opposition to deeper European integration, won 28% of the vote - its best
result so far - and only 2% down on the votes received by the main parties.
The Social Democrats, who govern Austria at present in a coalition with the
People's Party, scored their worst result since 1918.

The result underscores increasing alienation from establishment parties by
electorates all over Europe, whose wishes have been trampled underfoot for
decades.

*       Somebody here in the United States sent me an interesting link that
I haven't had time to check out.  It is
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/hot-week.html where, apparently  there is a
reference to

". . . expenses of the Holocaust Memorial Council, as authorized by Public
Law 96-388 (36 U.S.C. 1401), as amended, $30,707,000, of which $1,575,000
for the Museum's repair and rehabilitation program and $1,264,000 for the
Museum's exhibitions program shall remain available until expended . . ."

That is a lot of money.  For someone who is finance-savvy, this seems to be
an interesting trail to follow to see where it might lead.

*       Switzerland isn't too happy either with holohuckstering.  The
influential business paper "Finanz und Wirtschaft" raised the same point in
its (week before last?) weekend edition:

"Certain circles are using the tragic fate of Holocaust victims to
discredit the (still) extant advantage Switzerland as a financial centre
and its banks have in global competition,'' it wrote, citing Swiss strength
in private banking and asset management.

*       And, finally, a little private smile of satisfaction:  The latest
ZGram spam, done in my name but utterly without my knowledge and approval,
has netted us quite a few readers.  A great many victims of these spams
came to check what we were really all about - and were astonished and
pleasantly surprised to find not rednecks but civility.  Here is a typical
excerpt:

"Hi, I would not have found your excellent web site had it not been for
brillo@virago-net.com's advocating spamming yours and other web sites,
except for minority sites, that this person or thing deems offensive.

I am glad to see other points of view long withheld from the public by the
occupied media."

Who's brillo@virago-net.com?   I haven't the faintest idea.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"These Macedonians are a rude and clownish people;  they call a spade a spade."

(Plutarch)




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October 21, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Speaking not of us, thank God, but of another set of villains on the
cyberscene, the Arabs, one of the censorship busters observed:

"When Parade, that ever-so-offline Sunday magazine, announces that Iranian
terrorists use the Internet and unbreakable encryption to plan bombings,
you know that anti-Net fearmongering has outgrown the Beltway and is
gunning for Middle America."

This certainly fits in with much of what we see - the constant hue and cry
about the rampant so-called "terrorism" on the Net.  Along those lines, I
found this interesting essay, "The Coming White Middle Class Revolt" by H.
Millard, published by the Nationalist Times, excerpts of which are your
treat for today:

"Let us be honest and direct and let's discuss things that make
Milquetoasts get the vapors:  race, society, politics and bigotry.  Not any
bigotry but anti-white bigotry.  A form of bigotry that is practiced not
only by non-whites against whites but also by certain whites against their
own people.
. . .
 This world is the United States today.  This is a place where the old
myths - those pithy truisms from our past - are often no longer true, but
few understand this fact.  This is a world where we have a myth of freedom
of speech but in fact must constantly curtail free speech to be politically
correct.

This world is a place where whites are routinely Mau Maued into silence and
are sent to an intellectual prison ringed all about not with fences and
razor wire but with bogey man words such as "racist," bigot,"
"insensitive," "prejudiced," etc.  Call a white one of these terms and
you'll usually find him or her turn to mush and give up the argument.
. . .
Perhaps we can start laughing at those who would call us names.  "You're a
racist," comes the slander, and the Ward and June white starts muttering in
the most cowardly and fawning fashion "But, but, but, I am not. . . why,
some of my best friends are. . ."

Perhaps you and I will reply, instead:  "Shove it, slimeball," and not be
cowed into abandoning the pursuit of truth.

What is the source of this white anger?  There are many causes and many
things fueling it, but have no doubt about this, there is a revolutionary
white fire aborning in this nation.
. . .
What is growing in the United States now is taking on a life of its own
just as in France and just as in most other revolutions of the past.  It
has almost always been the case that revolutions have been started and
maintained by the middle class.  It was so in France.  It was so in
England.  It was so in Germany.  It was so in early America.  It is so
today. . .  "

(Reprinted from the Nationalist Times, P.O. Box 426, Allison Park, PA,
15101, $25/yr.)

There is one important point to remember - there are provocations leading
to revolutions that are of different content and springing from different
sources.  If you analyze different revolutions, you will find the
anarchist/Marxist/Leninist destructive type of revolution led by
cosmopolitan, shiftless, rootless, often racially mixed or alien types, and
then there are the true people's revolutions such as the American
Revolution or Adolf Hitler's revolution.

These revolutions are conservative in goals and nature.  The people
involved in these revolutions usually want their freedoms or living
conditions or borders restored.  They want to reclaim a way of life,
restoring it to what it once was.

That was true for America in 1776 and for the Germans in 1933.  Likewise,
the  Fijians rose up against the Indian descendants of coolies the British
had brought to Fiji at the turn of the century as cheap labor.  These
people-driven revolutions are far less bloody and far less violent, and
they are usually preceded by long, arduous struggles for power within the
existing system.

That is the mood in vast sections of the majority population of America
today - Americans want to take back what was theirs:  the security, the
safety, the confidence in their industry they and their fathers and
forefathers once enjoyed and which many still remember.  That is what is
happening here.

Sometimes I wonder mightily about our opposition - that they would even
dare to push and goad and egg the people on with words that hurt and laws
that choke.  It would be ever so much cheaper to say:  "Let put all our
cards out the table - your cards, our cards - and let the world decide."

Tomorrow I will send you another Open Letter Ernst Zundel shipped to the
Simon Wiesenthal Center.  Let's see if they'll respond.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The literature of the 'free West', celebrated and praised by the reviewers
and critics of today's newspapers, would probably be regarded . . . as
literature of freemen for freemen.

In particular, it is just those authors who are most praised today who
promote with boring repetition nothing less than the further decomposition
of the spiritual and moral values of the Indo-European."

(Hans F.K. Guenther)



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October 22, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

As I have said before, periodically I am electronically rendezvous'ed (sp?)
by members of the Nizkorites to be informed that I am this and that - and
none of it exactly flattering.  I have had one such visit recently that
raised yet one more time the altogether tiresome and worn-out topic of
"debate".

Once more, and for the record:  Ernst Zundel will debate.  He will do so by
marshalling the finest revisionist researchers and writers to back up his
claims about the "Holocaust" as an extortion racket, and he invites his
opposition to bring their evidence that he is wrong and put it on the
table.

Such a debate should be in an appropriate forum and in a structured and
mutually respectful setting in front of the eyes of the world community,
and where there will be civilized cooperation on both sides and not shrill,
juvenile character assassination employed as the main tactic by his
opposition.

And let the best man win!

Less than a week ago, Ernst faxed the following yet one more time:

The Need for a Global Holocaust Debate:
An Open Challenge to the Simon Wiesenthal Center

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre's activities in censoring their opposition on
and off the Net are becoming ever more brazen and are bordering on the
illegal or even criminal.  The latest example is the Simon Wiesenthal
Centre's Canadian Director, Sol Littman, apparently officially asking CSIS,
the Canadian Civilian Spy Agency, to probe into Zundel's perfectly
legitimate business affairs.  For details, see SWC Response Magazine,
Summer/Fall 1996, Volume 17, No. 2.

Worldwide, freedom fighters have identified the SWC as a free speech
suppression organization, and on at least one occasion gave them an
official "villains'" award, (one of "top 20") given by the Boston Coalition
for Freedom of Expression.  Details may be gleaned  by going to
http://www.eff.org/pub/Groups/BCFE/hervil6.html

Even before January of this year, when their censorship actions unleashed
the first world-wide cyberspace standoff that blocked 1500 sites on a
California website which housed the Zundelsite, we have been asking for an
orderly, well-monitored and scholarly debate of the Holocaut topic.  We
have refused petty and irrelevant linking to trivial documents and
participation in unruly newsgroups, but Revisionists worldwide are now, as
ever, more than willing to engage in a serious, civilized and scholarly
debate involving the best experts and writers on both sides.

Just prior to this cyberspace stand-off involving Telekom of Germany, we
specifically asked the SWC for a release of copyright of their 13-point
Breitbart Document refuting Revisionism, so we could post and answer it at
least in writing.  We never received a reply from the Simon Wiesenthal
Center itself.

We therefore went ahead and summarized the points they raised in a
comprehensive document which was part of the Nizkor rebuttal.

In order that Zundelsite readers may judge for themselves what the
Holocaust Lobby is up to in its world-wide campaign to silence the critics
of their nefarious activities, we suggest that you visit not only the Simon
Wiesenthal Center's website at http://www.wiesenthal.com/ but also the
Anti-Defamation League at http://www.adl.org/ and the Jewish Defense
League's website at http://www.jdl.org/   Until we have consulted legal
advisors, we are not at this time providing live links, but we suggest that
readers hand-copy the URLs provided,  bookmark the three sites, and see for
themselves what our opposition has to say and to offer as explanations for
the legitimacy of the "Holocaust" - compared to why we say it's anti-German
hate propaganda deteriorated into an extortion racket.

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre knows perfectly well traditional Holocaust
promoters have no chance of winning a debate in an open, structured and
fair forum.  They do not want to debate the "Holocaust" in the USA; they
want to intimidate critics with threats of boycotts and economic sanctions
in Canada and other weaker countries;  and they want to criminalize and
incarcerate anybody who challenges the "Holocaust" through pernicious,
repressive "hate laws" around the world.

They keep on running to governments, whining and complaining to police and
the media;  they attempt to pressure business, terrorize radio and TV
stations and/or Internet servers with fear mongering and implied threats of
dire consequences, such as loss of business through boycotts;  they try to
criminalize those who blow the whistle on them, etc.  (If there are any
lawyers out there reading this who would be willing to take a defensive
Federal Civil Rights case against these people for their interference with
our civil rights and contractual arrangements with radio and TV stations,
please contact the Zundel-Haus at 416-922-9850)

We want readers of the Zundelsite to take a serious look at the Simon
Wiesenthal Center's activities and critically analyze what they have to
say, what they have already done, and what they want various governments
around the world to do to curtail freedom on the Internet.  Don't be
deceived by their honeyed words - that's merely sugar-coating the poisoned
pill of censorship.  Stripped of the Talmudic double-speak rhetoric, which
masquerades suppression of truthful information of their unconscionable
Holocaust exploitation, there will be very little credibility left to their
arguments about the so-called "Holocaust".  After all, a lie repeated six
million, or even six billion times, does not turn into a truth by mere
repetition.

After you have visited their site, check out their magazine "Response" for
good measure.  Browse through the back issues of the last 2-3 years, where
they brag about their achievements at stifling the free speech and free
debate of others around the planet.  Then come back to our site and
compare, and you will know why the Simon Wiesenthal Center feels a need to
censor truth tellers!

Ernst Zundel has been on record for over two decades advocating a televised
symposium (nationally or even globally!) of pro- and anti-Holocaust
researchers.  Such a debate should be well-structured and moderated, much
like a presidential debate.  An alternative approach would be to establish
a neutral commission of experts drawn from many countries around the world
to examine the controversy of the so-called "Holocaust" - with access to
the archives and files of the Arolson International Tracing Service.

Ernst Zundel has repeatedly asked the world to get involved in asking
firmly for such an independent and neutral inquiry.  Fifty years of
anti-German hate mongering by these Holocaust Lobbyists is enough!
Revisionists want a structured, live debate and not a nihilistic newsgroup
shouting match of verbal abuse and character assassination mislabeled as
"debate", which the Nizkor site has pushed since its inception and which
Ernst Zundel has resisted for sound reasons.

We ask readers to re-read the entire reasoned correspondence preceding the
first-ever world-wide cyberspace stand-off material.  It is available at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/05.nizkor/sm_pic.html

Judge for yourself how hard we tried to get the Nizkor site to debate,
since we could not even get a declining letter from the Simon Wiesenthal
Center.

Since Nizkor objected even to the term "debate" and only tried to scream us
down or run us ragged, we started the "66 QA" as a unilateral response and
called it the "Rebuttal Documents".  They can be found at the bottom of
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/05.nizkor/sm_pic.html

We see these rebuttals as a mere beginning.  We will certainly update our
responses with the latest scientific and historical information as soon as
it becomes available.

Ernst Zundel

October 15, 1996

Thought for the Day:

"Research is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody
else has thought."

(Albert Szent-Gyoergyi)

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October 23, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

As many of you saw on CNN, we have had some horrendous fires in California,
including one that came very close to where I live.  It went through three
towns and burned some 6,000 acres, much of it suburban area.  Where I live,
there was an alert to evacuate, but luckily it wasn't necessary.  People
fleeing made a river of cars just streaming down the hill.

I watched the fire for a while - half of the horizon was in flames.  When
night came, the sight was even spookier.  It brought back a lot of
memories, for as a child I saw Berlin burn in the very last days of the
war.  Then, there were few roads left to escape, for everything was smashed
to smithereens.  Every night, the horizon was lit as though the sun were
coming up - and by that time, Berlin was a city of practically all women
and children - the only men we saw in those sad days were amputees.

I want to share with you a passage from one of the Great Holocaust Trial
books, "The Holocaust on Trial:  The Case of Ernst Zundel" (by Robert
Lenski, Reporter Press, 1989)  just so you know where Ernst is coming from:

". . . Many of Zundel's earliest memories are of bombing raids and
strafings.  He recalls the "endless droning" of Allied planes on their way
to Nuremberg, Munich and Stuttgart, and the thunder of artillery coming
ever closer.  As elderly German soldiers streamed past their house,
Zundel's mother gathered her then five young children, and goats, chickens
and rabbits, and retreated to a nearby woods. . .

A bit earlier, however, came a night (February 23-24) which Zundel will
never forget, when "golden" Pforzheim was firebombed and consumed by a red
cyclone.  Though the Zundels' house lay 12 miles distant, the sky above was
brilliantly illuminated, and huge neighboring conifers bent toward the city
center as if in a gale wind.  The Pforzheim fireball was sucking oxygen
toward itself from throughout the surrounding countryside.  Zundel, not yet
six, watched mystified as millions of leaves and branches were sucked
violently skyward, with a howl and a roar. . . "

A report from the War Department in Washington, dated October 1945,
describes the night of July 27-28, 1943 in Hamburg during a bombing raid,
but it could have been describing Pforzheim or a hundred other German
cities:

". . . High explosives and air mines destroyed houses, creating craters in
streets and court yards, ruining lighting and the power supply. . . and
opening the gas and water mains . . . At the same time incendiary bombs
started fires which spread particularly in thickly inhabited parts of town
in a very short time.  Thus in several minutes whole blocks were on fire
and streets made impassable by flames.  The heat increased rapidly and
produced a wind which soon was the power and strength of a typhoon.  This
typhoon first moved into the direction of the fires, later spreading in all
directions.  In the public squares and parks it broke trees, and burning
branches shot through the air.  Trees of all sizes were uprooted.  The
firestorm broke down doors of houses and later the flames crept into the
doorways and corridors.  The firestorm looked like a blizzard of red
snowflakes.  More scientifically, a firestorm is a mass of fresh air which
breaks into burning areas to replace the superheated rising air. . . "

As Ernst watched the trees bend toward that Holocaust, between ten and
twenty thousand people, mostly women and children, died in Pforzheim that
night, a little city of fewer than a hundred thousand with almost no heavy
industry, which, since the 1700s, had been the center of the German jewelry
and watchmaking industry.

The Lenski book goes on to say:

"The War Department's report (on another city) suggests how many in
Pforzheim must have died:  'Literally hundreds of people were seen leaving
shelters after the heat became intense.  They ran across the street and
were seen to collapse very slowly like people who were utterly exhausted.
They could not get up.'  Melitta Maschmann offers other hints, in her
recollection of (a) firebombing in August 1944, which killed 15,000:
'There was not a house anywhere in the street which had not turned into a
blazing firebrand.  Above the sea of flames, a glowing cyclone raged over
the town;  and whenever it caught the bodies of people in flight, it
shriveled them in a second to the size of a child, and the next day they
lay all over the streets, hardly burnt, but like mummified children."

So now you know where the pictures of the "Holocaust piles" of dead people
come from.

Toward the end of the war, civilian terror bombing was Allied policy, and
one of the cities that was laid to ashes was a city called Wuerzburg.  You
know about the Diary of Anne Frank;  a young girl who died due to typhus.
She did not die in flames.  We, too, have our Annas.  They died that way.
These Annas were among 5,000 people who perished in a real, documented
Holocaust in Wuerzburg on March 15-16, 1945.  Where are their diaries?

     + Anna Maria Katharina Adler, geb. Steinel, Amalienstrasse 2
     + Anna Baadsch, Ursulinerstrasse 13
     + Anna Baetz, Marktplatz 6
     + Anna Barth, Buettnerstrasse 3
     + Anna Klara Barz, geb. Kinzig, Nonnenfeld 22
     + Anna Basel, Pfauenstrasse 2
     + Anna Bieneck, geb. Schaneng, Sicherstrasse 31
     + Anna Maria Bieneck, Sicherstrasse 31
     + Anna Bischoff, geb. Breunig, Theaterstrasse 20
     + Anna Margarete Bittler, Franziskanerstrasse 14
     + Anna Maria Bittner, geb. Hoehn, Franziskanerstrasse 14
     + Anna Blank, geb. Fleischmann, Arndtstrasse 33
     + Anna Braun, Steinheilstrasse 4
     + Anna Lina Breunig, Marktgasse 7
     + Anna Brueckner, geb. Lukesch, Friedrich-Spee Strasse 32
     + Anna Diem, Sanderstrasse 7
     + Anna Katharina Dietz, Theaterstrasse 9
     + Anna Dinckel, Gerberstrasse 21
     + Anna Maria Margarete Dursch, geb. Fuchs, Neumannstrasse 8
     + Anna Sofie Duerr, Sanderstrasse 10
     + Anna Eckel, geb. Sdrzalek, Domstrasse 19
     + Anna Maria Luise Elzinger, Rotkreutstrasse 21
     + Anna Eppler, geb. Wagner, Traubengasse 19
     + Anna Maria Eyssen, Herrnstrasse 9
     + Anna Faber, geb. Petres, Weingartenstrasse 24
     + Anna Stephanie Federl, geb. Fuerter, Ottostrasse 10
     + Anna Feser, Peterplatz 3
     + Anna Fieger, geb. Lamm, Steinhellstrasse 12
     + Anna Else Emma Berta Fick, geb. Schultze, Augustinerstrasse 22
     + Anna Josefine Rita Firsching, Burkarderstrasse 24
     + Anna Flach, Randersackerer Strasse 10
     + Anna Forst, Ursulinergasse 5
     + Anna Fretz, geb. Bodmann, Steinheilstrasse 39
     + Anna Barbara Freitag, geb. Reuss, Herzogenstrasse 11
     + Anna Froehlich, Oeggstrasse 1
     + Anna Frosch, geb. Hartwig, Bibrastrasse 6
     + Anneliese Funke, Altes Gymnasium
     + Anneliese Gaertner, Franziskanergasse 4
     + Anna Gebhard, Arndstrasse 6
     + Anna Gehrling, geb. Amend, Schenkhof 3
     + Anna Goebel, Ludwigkai 9
     + Anna Franziska Gotthardt, geb. Ott, Pleicherpfarrgasse 6
     + Anna Maria Gottwald, Zwinger 22
     + Anna Grail, geb. Zeitz, Weingartenstrasse 15
     + Anna Granacher, geb. Weingart, Am Pfarracker 20
     + Anna Josephine Grimm, geb. Sendelbach, Haugerkirchplatz 9
     + Anna Groetsch, geb. Prechtl, Am Pleidenturm 6
     + Anna Therese Maria Grosch, geb. Keil, Friedrichstrasse 19
     + Anna Dorothea Grossberger, geb. Woerrlein, Ottostrasse 10
     + Annemarie Haag, geb. Hirth, Otostrasse 14
     + Anneliese Haeckel, Woellergasse 6
     + Anna Hahn, geb. Brehm, Oswaldspitalgasse 15
     + Anna Emilie Hain, Randersackererstrasse 12
     + Anna Emma Hain, Randersackererstrasse 12
     + Anna Dorothea Haufmann, geb. Gropp, Schiestlstrasse 3
     + Anna Heilmann, Friedenstrasse 44
     + Anna Maria Heinrich, geb. Fischer, Domstrasse 38
     + Anna Hem, geb. Gruenewald, Semmelstrasse 24
     + Anna Maria Herbert, geb. Schellenberger, Arndtstrasse 6
     + Anna Herzog, Sanderstrasse 33
     + Anneliese Hess, Moltkestrasse 10
     + Annastasia Hoeller, Domerschulstrasse 5
     + Anna Margarete Hoffmann, geb. Scheid, Gerbrunner Weg 50
     + Anna Huege, geb. Ohlsen, Schloerstrasse 2
     + Anna Maria Hufgard, geb. Dumproff, Neumannstrasse 16
     + Anna Illig, geb. Ackermann, Fichtestrasse 19
     + Anna Keller, geb. Liebstueckel, Steinheilstrasse 5
     + Anna Elise Kimmel, geb. Kuechler, Oswaldspitalgasse 17
     + Anna Kinzig, geb. Kuhn, Gallstrasse 1
     + Anna Karolina Koehler, geb. Schmitt, Matterstockstrasse 17
     + Anna Kraemer, Textorstrasse 13
     + Anna Krines, Herzogenstrasse 7
     + Anna Katherina Kuebert, geb. Hummel, Sanderstrasse 4a
     + Anna Kuhn, geb. Kuss, Grombuehlstrasse 47
     + Anna Berta Irmtraud, Winterleitenweg 16
     + Anna Leimeister, Kapuzinerstrasse 4
     + Anna Lieselotte Lindner, Theaterstrasse 23
     + Anna Lippert, Neubaustrasse 42
     + Anna Loehr, geb. Badum, Prymstrasse 13a
     + Anna Lotter, geb. Muench, Fichtestrasse 18
     + Anna Maria Lutz, geb. Heimer, Neubaustrasse 38
     + Anna Meinberger, geb. Geiger, Neubaustrasse 7
     + Anna Theresia Mark, geb. Goetz, Klosterstrasse 25
     + Anna Markert, geb. Bayer, Ingolstadter Hof 4
     + Anna Metz, geb. Alzheimer, Weingartenstrasse 18
     + Anna Moser, Riemenschneider Strasse 9
     + Anna Mueller, geb. Wittstadt, Maxstrasse 9
     + Anna Muench, Domerschulstrasse 2
     + Anna Barbara Mulfinger, geb. Wolf, Neumannstrasse 10
     + Anna Nauer, Korngasse 22
     + Anna Nieberding, geb. Dietz, Theaterstrasse 9
     + Anna Oeffner, Sanderstrasse 27
     + Anna Ortloff, Ludwigkai 9
     + Anna Ostberg, geb. Wallrapp, Sanderstrasse 27
     + Anna Pfannes, geb. Gerber, Haugerkirchgasse
     + Anna Pfeuffer, Martinstrasse 13
     + Anna Margarete Pfuelb, geb. Beck, Oswaldspitalgasse 15
     + Anna Rausch, beg. Nusser, Steinheilstrasse 33
     + Anna Rheinthaler, Erthalstrasse 2
     + Anneliese Reiter, Steinheilstrasse 24

Why am I shipping you this list?  Because in Germany it is against the law
to question anything pertaining to the Jewish "Holocaust," including the
Anne Frank Diary, which is a doctored. documented literary hoax, but it is
not against the law to defame fallen German soldiers who died defending
their own Annas.

In fact, it will cause trouble if you, a German, would like to honor them
for how they fought and died, defending your own homeland against an alien
invasion.  It seems that you can't do that - five decades after the war!

Here is one thought-provoking news bit:

"Protesters Cancel Veterans' Ceremony_ (ANA)

Protesters blocked the entrance to a cemetery in Dresden yesterday
(10/19/96) where war veterans were going to hold a memorial ceremony. About
100 protesters, mainly young people, blocked the road leading to the
cemetery. Some carried signs with slogans such as "Are Priebke, Karadzic
and Mladic taking part too?"

The veterans, The Knights of the Iron Cross, said they are cancelling all
public events they had planned for this weekend's reunion due to the
protests. The demonstrators said in a statement: "We see the decision by
the Knights of the Iron Cross to cancel all public events as a success for
our protests against this shameful event."

Police broke up the protest after the activists started to hit and insult
the veterans. About 45 protesters were detained and questioned, but all
were released."

Take just a minute.  Think about that poor, besieged and brainwashed
country, Germany, where now the grandsons of the men who died defending
their own loved ones will "hit and insult" their veterans - with nothing
more to fear than "being questions and released".

Ingrid

"In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments;  there are only
consequences."

(Robert B. Ingersoll)


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October 24, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite

I had a mentor once - an ethnic writer I greatly admired for his intellect
and grasp on historical issues.  I hoarded every word he ever wrote, and I
have his picture in my office to this day.  In his young years, he was
headmaster of an exclusive school for European royalty offspring prior to
and during World War I - as I remember it, in a castle someplace in
Southern Germany.

I met him only once, when he was a very old man and I was still a young
woman.  We spent one day together, and he was full of stories of
international finance and behind-the-scenes manipulation he kept on pouring
into me as though his time were running out.  As it turned out, it was, for
he died soon thereafter.   I can think of very few people who have so
impacted my thinking.

He was the first who used the word "Hofjuden" - a brand new word for me.
Today I know that he described the New World Order, already in the planning
stages in those years.

One time, he said, he was commissioned to deliver a classified, political
message to England.  I have forgotten the details surrounding this message,
or why he was the one commissioned to deliver it,  but I remember to this
day his words:

"I had this letter in my pocket.  I thought, naively, that no one knew that
it was there.  But bullets stopped flying.  Trains stopped and were
re-routed.  Borders opened and let me pass.  That's when I understood the
hidden powers that stood behind the thrones."

This story came to mind when I read one of the R. K. Hoskins books,
entitled "In the Beginning. . ."  It has this passage right up front:

"In the Holy Land during the War of the Crusades, crusaders defended a
seaport being besieged by Muslims.  The siege had lasted almost a year.
The fighting had been violent;  many had died.

Suddenly, trumpets sounded.  Instantly the fighting stopped.  A camel train
appeared, one camel plodding along in front of the next - a long line
stretching back into the distance.  The Arab armies parted;  the gates to
the city opened, the drawbridges dropped.  One after another, camel after
camel - an endless chain of camels plodding into the city.  Two thousand of
them.

On the back of each animal rested a cargo so precious that it could have
made a man rich for life - if he could but seize it.  But few tried.  Those
who tried and failed were punished with a painful death.

Once in the city the camel drivers directed their charges through twisting,
narrow streets down to the harbor.  There their cargoes were off-loaded by
sweating stevedores who re-loaded them on waiting Christian ships.  Then,
flying flags bearing the Christian cross, the ships set sail through the
blockading . . .  fleet, which parted to let them pass.  As soon as the
last ship had departed, the . . . ships re-established their blockade, the
camels departed, the gates closed, the drawbridge raised, and arrows began
to fly and large rocks again were catapulted against enemies as the
fighting re-commenced."

I now know that what we are experiencing has to do with the NATURE of the
camel train and cargo.  I believe that some of us will live to see that
cargo seized.  I sense that it will be a spiritual confrontation every bit
as much as it will be an earthly wrestling match of the conventional
intent, and it will be the Mystic Cross against the Star of David.  And I
know in my heart it will be bloody on both counts.

What I am trying to convey by hammering away at the grotesqueness of the
"Holocaust" is not about obscure details about the Holocaust per se.  It is
about the SYSTEM that cuts across times, borders, tribes and nationalities
- a system that permits the passing of the camels and the cargo, while we
stand by and gawk, and then resume the fratricidal wars we get the nod.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"To determine whom we can thank for most of today's problems, we must look
into history to see who owned the land in the past and who owns it now."

(R. K. Hoskins in "Vigilantes of Christendom")

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October 25, 1996

Four unrelated items of interest to Revisionists:

*       Canada:  Courtesy of the aforementioned Anti-Racist-Action (ARA),
today is "Kosher Barbecue" day in front of the Zundel-Haus.  A bunch of
neo-Marxist hooligans have now shown up to do an all-day vigil, making
their displeasure  known at government and taxpayers' expense.

Ernst told me yesterday that - as before on several such occasions - he has
wrapped the four-story Zundel-Haus with plastic so as to guard it against
paint bombs and other assorted missiles, including human excrement.  The
media call it his "condom house", and it occurred to me last night he ought
to sell personalized postcards of the Zundel-Haus dressed up like that to
drive home a political point while raising extra money. . . but Ernst is
not into this kind of commercialism.

He told me last night that he had packed his house with comrades who stayed
overnight, just in case.  When I asked how many, he answered:  ". . . in
sufficient numbers."

In a fax that just now came through, it is reported that the ARA demo is
now in full swing.  There are fewer hooligans, so far, than expected, but
they make up in virulence and vulgar cat calls what their numbers can't
accomplish.  They are shouting "Burn the Nazis down!" etc., and police are
keeping a watchful eye on them.   They brought along an effigy of Ontario
Premier Mike Harris that will be burned before the day is over.

I should add that there is a Marxist-promoted general strike all over
Ontario this week.  Shades of pre-revolutionary Russia and France!  The
police are stretched very thin.  They have to protect 200 objects like
government buildings, all under siege by Marxist unionists.

I will not be reporting on the full impact of the ARA Zundel-Haus
demonstrations until early next week, for reasons I will explain then.

*       Also, according to a recent article in the Calgary Sun, Grant
Bristow, a former Canadian Security Intelligence Service mole who figured
prominently in the nefarious government attempts to deport Ernst to
Germany, has been seen re-appearing.

Bristow, as many will remember, is the fellow who masterminded the sting
operation of the Heritage Front at the behest of shady interests who nest
within the Canadian government - financing, guiding and even goading a
perfectly legal right-wing organization into legally questionable
activities so as to "expose white supremacists".

Bristow was the anonymous "Source" that was to be used as the main
"witness" in the Canadian government's attempt to stop the inconvenient
Zundel question, "Did Six Million Really Die?"   But when revelations about
the machinations of this Canadian civilian spy agency emerged in
preliminary legal moves, the government backed off in an amazing hurry and
is apparently re-thinking their strategy of just how to get rid of Ernst.

Now, it turns out, this Bristow fellow has been living under a stellar
alias, "Nathan Black", at his relatively posh home in St. Albert, an
Edmonton, Alberta suburb.  Once the story of his spying hit the news, he,
his wife and their son fled the area temporarily.  The paper reports that
he had been receiving ". . . a new identity and a $3,000 monthly salary"
for his spy activities, again courtesy of the Canadian taxpayers.

The whole Zundel deportation matter is now in an interesting legal limbo.
A friend commented that it feels like ". . . two U-boats having gone
underground," leaving a deceptively smooth surface and an almost eery
silence.

*       Australia:  In a letter dated October 21, we were informed that,
according to a media adviser to the Minister for Immigration, Mr Philip
Ruddock has just about viewed all the material Revisionist David Irving
sent him, and a final decision will soon be made whether Irving will be
allowed to visit Australia.

Writes our correspondent:  "Last week this media adviser informed me it
would be within two weeks. I am counting - a few days to go!"

Irving, as the world now knows, was barred from lecturing in Australia
because of his outspoken and published revisionist views.  He had
reapplied for a visa.

A letter pertaining to this re-application, sent to the Revisionist
Adelaide Institute from Philip Ruddock, Minister of Immigration, is
certainly some food for thought.  I have read it three times, and I still
do not know what to make of the curious slant.

Decide for yourself:

"Thank you for your letter of 22 May 1996 in which you asked whether a visa
will be granted to David Irving under a Coalition Government.

Australia's visitor program aims to facilitate the entry of genuine
visitors while screening out persons whose presence could in some way be
harmful to the Australian community or who are likely to become involved in
activities disruptive to the Australian community or a group within the
Australian community.

All applications are considered against the legal requirements of the
Migration Act 1958 and the Migration Regulations. If an applicant fails to
meet all the legal criteria, he or she will not be granted a visa for
Australia.

Mr Irving's last two applications for visitor visas were refused as it was
assessed that he did not meet the legal criteria for the grant of the visa.
The visas were refused on the basis that Mr Irving was not of good
character. Mr Irving's views on the "Holocaust" had no bearing on the
decision.

Mr Irving sought review of the previous Minister's decisions in the federal
Court. On 31 August 1995, Carr J dismissed Mr Irving's appeal as there was
sufficient evidence before the previous Minister justifying his decisions.
This decision recently was upheld by the Full Federal Court following a
further appeal by Mr Irving.

The Full Federal Court's judgment confirmed that the decision in rejecting
Mr Irving's applications rested on an assessment of his general conduct as
opposed to any evaluation of his views or writings. The issue of a person's
character was discussed by Lee J in his judgement when he said: '...the
words good character should be taken to be used in their ordinary sense,
namely, a reference to the enduring moral qualities of a person, and not to
the good standing, fame or repute of that person in the community. The
former is an objective assessment apt to be proved as a fact whilst the
latter is a review of a subjective public opinion....a person of good
repute may be shown by objective assessment to be a person of bad
character.'

Any further application lodged by Mr Irving will be assessed on its merits
against the legal criteria at the time."

*       France:   Defence lawyer for Dr. Robert Faurisson, Eric Delcroix,
52, was convicted in Paris on October 22, 1996 for his book "La police de
la pensee contre le revisionisme ("The Thought Police Against
Revisionism").  The fine was 5,500 F.

Although, by French standards, the fine is not a heavy one, the
consequences of this sentencing will have serious repercussions for E.
Delcroix's career.

In her decision, Mrs. Martine Ract-Madoux, who presided over the court, did
not even address some of the most important arguments of the defendant.

This conviction is all the more scandalous since E. Delcroix had rightly
invoked for his defence two long, recent articles published by leftist and
anti-revisionist historian Jacques Baynac stating that, unfortunately, it
has to be admitted now that finally there is no evidence that the Nazi gas
chambers ever existed.

The strange solution Baynac advocates is to try instead to find the proof
that the non-existence of those gas chambers is impossible!  (See Le
Nouveau Quotidien, from Lausanne, Switzerland, September 2, p. 16, and
September 3, p. 14).

E. Delcroix's reaction, as reported by the media, was:

"It is more or less like a Legion d'honneur, and a real one, since the fact
of being a victim of a thought crime for expressing your opinion looks
undoubtedly like something eminently honorable.  As for myself, I feel
proud;  as for the justice of my country, I feel less proud."

Dr. Faurisson's next trial  - the 10th one involving revisionist topics! -
will be in Paris on November 15, 1996.  Stay tuned in the meantime - there
is more to come.  You wouldn't want to miss any of it!

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Adversity is the trial of principle.  Without it a man hardly knows
whether he is honest or not."

(Henry Fielding, 1707 - 1754)







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October 26, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Since I became involved with Revisionism, I have known of only two
"Revisionists" who later renounced this historical movement.  One is  Jean
Claude Pressac, a one-time Faurisson collaborator who turned on his mentor
and wrote numerous supposedly definitive books "proving the "Holocaust"
published by the Klarsfeld Foundation.  The other is a woman who goes by
several Net-names and speaks with a Yiddish accent.

Practically every single one of us was at one time a Holohugger.  I know I
was a serious one, and so was Ernst Zundel in his youth.  He believed the
"Holocaust", as he says today, "hook, line and sinker" until he came to
Canada and had access to better information.  It takes some reading and
thinking and serious de-programming, but once the process has begun, there
is no turning back.

The letter below says it well:

"I am just an ordinary guy, a computer software engineer. As such, I like
to think that I have a logical mind. Moreover, I've learned well, that in
trying to fix a piece of software that I've written, to find the bug that
is causing the problem, I have to keep a totally open mind. And I know that
even though the source of a bug may appear to be in a specific module of
code, it may very well not be anywhere near it. Complex problems are tough
to ferret out. Coming from this point of view, I analyze problems in other
areas much the same way.

Just a scant few months ago (three maybe), I was an ardent defender of Jews
and ideologically supported our aid to Israel and the right of Israel to
exist at any price. I supported it unreservedly. My attitude was that the
Palestinians were vicious animals who were trying to destroy the civilized
and enlightened Jews in Israel.

I saw Schindler's List about 2 or 3 years ago, and I was horrified. I've
never had a grudge against Germans. How could I? I revered Bach, Beethoven,
Mozart, Albrecht Durer and the other great German musicians and artists too
much to think of them as barbarians. But Schindler's List really aroused a
fire in me. I became all the more supportive of Israel and the Jews.

Then, due to my support of Pat Buchanan who was smeared as being
anti-Semitic, I became a little curious as to why he was smeared as being
an anti-Semite. I was talking with a Jewish friend of mine and she told me
that Jews were hated all over the world.

No, I said. The French revere Jerry Lewis. He's Jewish.

But she kept insisting. Once I had heard that enough, I decided to do some
reading. Why were the Jews so persecuted? I did quite a lot of reading, but
the most shocking thing for me was reading excerpts from the Soncino
edition of the Talmud that I found on the Internet.

Then I went on soc.culture.jewish and lurked. Sure enough, these folks
couldn't bring themselves to write the word Christian. It was always, Xian.
And while they didn't rant and flame, their anti-Christian attitude was
obvious. Finally, someone (a Jew) asked the question: is it more wrong for
a Jew to kill an Xian than another Jew? The answer was given in an analogy:
it is a sin of one degree to do X on Jewish holiday Y and altogther another
to do M on Jewish holiday N. (I don't remember the laws broken on which
holidays.) If he had flamed, "KILL THE GOYIM," I would have dismissed it as
anger. But the way he answered was chilling to me. He wasn't just flaming.
He merely acknowledged the FACT that a Gentile was less than a Jew.
Precisely what I had read in the Talmud.

>From there, I had to look more. I then came across the Revisionist
(whatever that is, as David Irving says). While I'm not knowlegeable enough
either in history or investigating something of this nature, the really
compelling thing is the credibility of the claims supporting the holocaust
as compared to the things that David Irving is saying, as well as Dr. Toben
and Ernst and the other revisionists.

But perhaps even more disturbing than that is the fact that the Jews have
quietly backed down from several of their claims, while still promoting the
same story via the press, television and movies like Schindler's List. Let
me tell you, I honestly "convulsed" for about two months trying to deal
with the dismantling of something that I believed fervently before. Twice I
managed to dismiss it. I felt better because of it too. I told myself that
you guys were just loonies and I wasn't like that. It was actually a
relief. But it came back to haunt me again and I would go back and read
more.

I have personally experienced how uncomfortable, even painful it is to have
something you wholly believe to be turned upside down. So, I know that
others are going to have similar difficulties. But in my reading, I've read
more about the atrocities that the Jews are committing against the
Palestinians. I have a moral responsibility to engage in trying to stop the
persecution of the Palestinians. I can't support kids throwing rocks being
mowed down by Israeli machine guns. They claim to be using rubber bullets
(that's little consolation), but a recent London Times article reported
that metal bullet fragments were found in the bodies of the children
throwing rocks in the latest clash.

Recently the Washington Post reported that new evidence discovered in
Moscow archives showed Lenin to be as cruel and heartless a butcher as
Stalin. The article mentioned the atrocities of Hitler and also quoted a
Jewess, Tina Rosenberg, as saying that we must never make the grotesque
error of comparing the brutalities of communism with those of fascism.

These things, combined with many other things that I've read, have
convinced me that my view of Jews seems to have been very wrong. These are
not persecuted pacifists. They are merciless, brutal and totally
unforgiving. They never forgive. They are not pacifists. They are
opportunists. And when they have the opportunity they will destroy anyone
who opposes them or displeases them.

I'm really long winded here, but I wanted to give you my perspective and
the effect that revisionism has had on me."

I have nothing to add to this letter.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"One grows or dies.  There is no third possibility."

(Oswald Spengler)

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October 28, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I have just returned from a weekend lecture in Vancouver, Canada - an
experience I shall describe tomorrow.  Some experience as to inner impact
as to what we are confronting now in Canada!

Meanwhile, let me wake up first with my beloved pot of coffee and ship you
a "canned" ZGram meanwhile just to let those of you who were informed that
I was traveling know that I am back home, safe and energized, and ready to
attack my overflowing basket of e-mail.

Here is the ZGram I wrote a couple of weeks ago as a "stand-by" ZGram in
case of a clogged schedule or unforeseen events:

"Now that another legal round-more like half of a baker's dozen, actually-
will soon be upon Ernst, I thought it might be interesting to get a preview
of what happens in these courtroom when so-called "specialists" in
Holocaustomania confront our Real Pro.  It is interesting to know what kind
of revelations come out of cross-examination of Holocaust promoters in
court cases.  Here is one summary of a witness for the State against EZ - a
witness called Christopher Browning.

This Washington State professor said that the Crown (e.g., the taxpayers)
paid him $150 an hour, plus expenses, to come to Toronto and testify that
Ernst Zundel has spoken a falsehood.  He said the Yad Vashem paid him
$30,000 to write some books, and the Simon Wiesenthal Center paid him for
some articles.  He had testified that several documents, presented by the
prosecutur, "disprove" many of the points made in "Did Six Million Really
Die?"

Consider his "evidence":

*       Browning admitted that he had never seen a gas van, and didn't know
how one could work.  He had, he said, not researched gas vans in German
military archives, and had not seen any technical drawings, plans,
technical literature or photos related to gas vans.

*       He admitted that the Yad Vashem, an Israeli Holocaust Remembrance
Horror Museum, had supplied the photos of gas vans-and the captions under
them-for his book Fateful Months.

*       He said that although he was unaware of standard German Army
fumigation vans to help delouse soldiers' uniforms etc..  They "could" have
existed, and that gas chambers "could" be used for delousing.

*       Heinrich Himmler's Posen Speech, he asserted, was the key document
of the Holocaust.  But, he admitted, he had never heard a recording of it.
He also confessed he didn't know how it came into Allied hands, or that it
was  typed by three different typewriters, snipped and glued together of
different pieces that had been spliced together.  He never went to the
German radio archives to listen to it.

*       Browning admitted he didn't know the US government stamped the
captured Goebbels Diaries as "The US government neither warrants nor
guarantees the authenticity of this document."  He did however, rely
heavily on these diaries to prove his holocaust theories, explained Defense
Counsel Doug Christie.

*       This historian said he talked to prosecutors of alleged war
criminals and asked those prosecutors for documents.  He did not read or
quote from trial transcripts.  He admitted he neither talked to defense
counsels of such trials, nor asked them for documents.  But he denied that
he researched the Holocaust with a view to proving any specific opinions.

*       Browning admitted he had seen only one of the aerial photos taken
of Auschwitz from December 1943 to January 1945 on a wall display of the
Yad Vashem Museum in Israel.  He hadn't noticed, he said, whether smoke was
coming out of chimneys of crematoria in the photo he saw.

*       The professor labeled the White Book, a report in which the
National Socialist government of Germany explained why it invaded Poland,
"Nazi propaganda."  But he admitted he had never seen the White Book, had
never read it, and had relied only on what other historians said about it
to form an opinion.

*       He admitted that in his writing, he referred to only one volume of
Hans Frank's (governor of the "General Government" area of Poland) 43
volume diary, and left out Frank's later Nuremberg denial of any guilt.  He
also said he hadn't studied the 1945 Nuremberg documents on Frank.

*       He had not studied the details of the German occupation of Poland,
he admitted.

*       Auschwitz was not his area of expertise, he admitted, and he hadn't
been in one of the eastern camps in 17 years.

*       Under cross-examination he couldn't say with certainty if the vast
majority of German Jews escaped the German borders of 1938 or not.

All that to the tune of $150 an hour!  Stay tuned.  There's more to come
>from  Ottawa.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"This wouldn't be the first time I've arrested somebody and then built my
case afterwards."

(James Garrison)

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October 27, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

When I was still a neophyte, working within mainstream education,
sharpening my skills and gathering my intellectual arsenal in Special
Education, I took a couple of seminars on the concepts of both guilt and
shame.

The pedagogical theory in vogue - I think it's still in vogue! - was that
parents of handicapped children lived wretched lives soaked in both guilt
and shame because their "future" had been killed symbolically.  Bruno
Bettelheim was our guru, and I'm ashamed to say we all bought into it.

Parents, it was held, just  needed to "accept" what happened to a loved
one, and all would turn out well.  Without "acceptance", went the theory,
there could be no real healing.

In our videotaped and one-way mirror practicum seminars, as we were
counseling some tearful parent, we were frequently urged by our supervising
"pros" to ". . . do an S-C-Triple A" - a  "Sack-Cloth-And-Ashes Approach."


But even in those days, not having gathered yet the tools of thought I have
amassed since then, I felt that it was wrong and arrogant on our part to
dare impose such heavy trips of guilt in wounded parents by asking them to
be "accepting" when they had every right to hurt and to resent what
happened to their child.  In fact, I thought it was sadistic and totally
unnatural - I KNEW they were entitled to their grief.  I never thought, and
do not to this day, that it was "good for them" to be confronted with both
guilt and shame in therapeutic sessions.  The only value I could see was
that it made manipulation possible.  "Accepting parents" did not confront
the system as angry parents did.

Therefore, with more than casual interest, I read the following in Alvin
Gouldner's, "The Hellenic World":

"Shame rests on a concern with one's competence;  potency or power;  it is
expressive of a desire to avoid an appearance of failure, weakness or
dependency.

Guilt rests on a concern with one's goodness or rectitude;  it is
expressive of a desire to feel right.  Guilt is felt when the individual,
defining himself along a good-bad axis, appears to himself as bad;  shame,
when the individual, defining himself a strong-weak axis, appears to
himself as weak."

Why am I telling you all this?  Just bear with me - I'm getting there.
Here's Nietzsche, my next stepping stone:

"The two sets of (axes) have waged a terrible battle on this earth, lasting
many millenia;  and just as surely as the second set has for a long time
now been on the ascendant, so surely are there still places where the
battle goes on and the issues remain in suspension. . .

The watchwords of the battle, written in characters which have remained
legible throughout modern history, read:  "Rome versus Israel;  Israel
versus Rome."  No battle has ever been more momentous than this one."
("The Genealogy of Morals" 1, 16)

Here comes my punch line now:  I have a perfect specimen.  I have a
mercenary to serve up who's pimping for the Shadow Government by peddling
guilt and shame.

His name is Gottfried Wagner, great grandson of composer Richard Wagner.
Wagner has been speaking in various locations in California, among them in
San Francisco in the State of the World Forum sponsored by the Holocaust
Center of Northern California.  He is a rising star among the Holohuggers.


He has prodigious things to say about his gifted ancestor, such as:

"Richard Wagner was a negative genius, an erratic moment in the history of
music, important, but ultimately evil", he says.  "The Ring' 'Die
Meistersinger' and 'Parsifal' and even 'Lohengrin' are evil creations."

He delivers himself of lectures such as  "Confronting German and Personal
History After the Holocaust."  He feels some Jews are too forgiving.  He is
going to have a TV documentary "Wagnerdaemmerung" which will air in Germany
next year.

He has also written a book.  Its title is "Never Ask Who I Am and Where I
Come From" because someone might want to know.  He feels sorry for all the
Wagner Societies who trudge ritually to Bayreuth ". . . like pilgrims,"
looking for salvation.

"Wagner has replaced religion for them," he opines.  "They're fanatics."

Even more profound, he believes in contemporary Germany's inability to mourn.

Says Wagner Jr. Jr. Jr:  (borrowed!)

"This is typical of my generation, the first after the war. It is our big
neurosis. Guilt cannot be inherited. The wartime generation could not talk
about it. But, at least we can work through their guilt and shame, step by
step and patiently, to learn how it happened. To think that Nazis were only
the bad guys for a short period is hypocrisy. Repression and falsification
of the facts sicken a society."

It is no accident that Germany was made to buy both guilt and shame when it
was wounded at the core in 1945 and left with very few defenses.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The superior man understands what is right;  the inferior man understands
what will sell."



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October 29, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

*       First, the ARA "kosher barbecue":

The best way to give you a feel for how that demonstration went is to quote
some excerpts from a letter Ernst wrote to the Unit Commander, Intelligence
Services, of the Metro Toronto Police:

". . . During the seven hour demonstration on Friday, members of the ARA
wore ski masks and held signs stating:  "Burn Zundel Down."  They also
shouted:  "Lock the Nazis in!  Burn the house down!".  I enclose
photographs and videotapes of the demonstration clearly showing the threats
made to me and my property, in the presence of all kinds of police and at
least eight Intelligence Services officers at various times.

I would like to know why Metro Police, who stood by throughout the
demonstration, did not arrest demonstrators who were openly uttering
threats against me within the meaning of section 264 of the Criminal Code.
This section provides that "Every one commits an offence who, in any
manner, knowingly utters, conveys or causes any person to receive a threat
(a) to cause death or serious bodily harm to any person; (b) to burn,
destroy or damage real or personal property. . . .

The ARA is being given the message by police inaction and by grants from
the Metro Council that it is 'OK' to burn down Ernst Zundel's house and to
commit mayhem unhindered.  An unidentified ARA member gave an interview, I
have been told, to CKLN Radio saying words to the effect that at this time
they were not planning any violence against us.  The clear implication is
that for the ARA violence is always an option to be used at their
discretion. . . "

*       I promised I would report to you about my Vancouver, Canada keynote
for the Canadian Free Speech League, but I am going to defer doing so since
it deserves a ZGram by itself.  It was a spiritual experience, and I want
to do it justice and not squeeze it in between items of a more mundane
nature that need to be "caught up on".

*       Those of you who are waiting for a specific response to your
e-mail, either from me or from Ernst, please give us a few days.  I have
read just about every letter but it will take a bit to catch up with
replies.  I am absolutely swamped!

*       Few ZGrams I have done in the past have elicited as much emotion as
the "Australian speech by Ms. Hanson".  Here is a brief update from one
correspondent:

"There is a big groundswell of support for (Ms. Hanson) here in Australia -
about 70%. according to some statistics. Commentators estimate she could
gather about 12 to 15 seats as a new party which is being formed.

Our Prime Minister is steadfastly holding on to freedom of expression and
speech. For how long?

The opposition parties (Labor and the Democrats) and the National Radio and
Television Stations are still pushing to discredit her opinion and our
'friends" behind the scene driving force are trying to distort and
undermine everything she says.

There are meetings in Queensland and elsewhere in support of her views.
Just this morning a man sat in a red-painted chair at the very busy road
nearby, reading the "Age" newspaper, owned by our friends, and holding a
sign 'Hanson for Prime Minister'."

See?  All it took was one courageous voice.  What if we ALL spoke up? In
the world that is my world, there is more support than you know.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"What is born of a hen will scrape."

(Italian proverb)









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October 31, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Now I will tell you about my trip to Victoria, British Columbia last weekend.

As I was having my coffee this morning, trying to put my emotions for this
ZGram into gear, I saw myself again as I was more than three decades ago
when I first came to Canada - young, poorly educated, pregnant with my
second child, with a blue collar worker husband and a savagely handicapped
baby.  I left behind a painful childhood and a hapless youth beneath the
shadows of four dictators:  Stalin, Hitler, Stroessner and Peron.  I
thought I had found freedom.

I remember so clearly a lasting impression:  That Canada was clean.
Pristine.  That everything was orderly.  That if you worked hard, lived by
the Golden Rule, obeyed the law and saved more than you spent - presto!
One day you would be rich.

Now I came back to do a keynote for a group called The Canadian Free Speech
League, organized and headed by the legendary Battling Barrister, Doug
Christie - and what a legal swath he cuts across mendacity and falsehood in
the courts!  The occasion itself was the annual George Orwell Award, to be
bestowed on someone fighting for free speech and freedom of assembly.

The evening before, Doug had received a call there would be a disturbance
caused by his political foes.  The location itself was kept secret;  not
even I knew where it was going to be.

About a hundred people met at a parking lot.  From there, we went across
the street into a rented room inside a public library for a two-hour
seminar  where several freedom fighters shared personal experiences about
vicious curtailment of speech.  One of the speakers was a young Black from
Mozambique for whom Doug Christie had done pro bono legal work.  Also in
attendance were  several Orientals, so this was hardly a "racist" or "white
supremacist" meeting.

The talk was of such things as how to get one's freedom back and that, so
as to know our rights as well as our responsibilities, we ought to get a
copy of the Constitution and study it.  I said later to a friend:  "There
was not one word spoken at this meeting that could not have been shouted
>from  the rooftops . . . " and she replied:  "And that has always BEEN so!"

At the conclusion of the seminar, participants were given maps.  We were
told to disperse, travel by different routes and meet in yet another
parking lot.  From there, we climbed a hill and, kind of through the "back
door" met at a friendly, private meeting hall where the dinner was going to
be.

Coming out of that library, we were besieged by media and pictures were
taken like mad.  I did not see one Alan Dutton who had alerted media and
was said to be looking for trouble, but then he was of little interest to
me.

At the dinner itself, a low-key and gracious affair, one of the long-term
freedom fighters was given an award and asked to make a speech, the gist of
which was that somehow we had lost our spirituality and had to get it back.
The speech was very moving and put real lumps in our throats.  I had to
swallow several times, remembering my passages.

Then I was introduced.  I told them of my long, dramatic journey through
life of war and anarchy imported into European nations through no fault of
their own that made me end up having custody of the harassed and thoroughly
politically improper Zundelsite.  In that room were many nationalities,
some of whom had fought against my country and my people.  I am happy to
tell you I spoke  to a standing ovation.

Afterwards, a person came to me and said in a shy voice:  "We're brothers,
aren't we?"  and I said:  "Right.  That is exactly right."  And he replied:
"How come we only now find out?"

If I had to describe that free speech weekend in one word, I would say that
that word would have to be "congeniality."  There was nothing but nothing
offending.

Now I am going to show you how this meeting was translated by the media and
was fed to the public for divisive consumption.  Titled "Anti-race foes
angry" and, on another page, "Freedom:  Couldn't ban"  here is a first-page
lapdog treatise:

"Anti-racism activists are appalled that a meeting involving people accused
of hate propaganda took place Saturday at the Victoria public library.

The two-hour seminar, held in the main Broughton Street branch, was
organized by Doug Christie and his Canadian Free Speech League.

Christie is a Victoria lawyer who has gained notoriety nationwide for
defending Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel and other people accused of
anti-Semitism.

The seminar - held just a few hours before the Free Speech League's annual
award dinner - was strictly a private affair and attendance was by
invitation only.  The location was kept secret from participants until the
last minute and media were not allowed to attend.

'The meeting is about freedom of expression and we do it in private,' said
Christie.  Christie wouldn't divulge the nature of the seminar, but an
invitation to the meeting indicated an Internet provider would be giving a
lecture.

'It really concerns me that tax payers are subsidizing meetings of this
nature in public facilities,' said Alan Dutton of the Surrey-based Canadian
Anti-Racism Education and Research Society, who monitored the meeting from
outside the library.

'I think the municipality and the City of Victoria have to understand the
importance of not providing access to groups that have contributed to the
disunity of this country by promoting views that are racist, that oppose
immigration and multiculturalism.'

Michael Peters, former chairman of the Capital Region Race Relations
Council, was equally dismayed when he learned of the meeting.  The league
'professes to believe in freedom of speech and then uses that as a front to
disseminate hate literature. . . It's unfortunate that they make the
municipality an unwilling partner in that.'

The library's manager said that staff were aware of the nature of
Christie's group when the meeting room was booked.  'We knew they were
coming, but we can't ban people on the basis of what they might do,' said
Jim Scott.  'It's public space.  We can't say we don't like your point of
view.'

The group was even given a 50 percent discount on the room fee of $100,
since the league represented itself as a non-profit society. . . "

I must add here:  It IS a non-profit society.    This is as good a place as
any to insert a letter to the editor by one of the participants, Paul Fromm
of the Canadian Association for Free Expression Inc:

"Your article reports Alan Dutton of the Canadian Anti-Racism Education
Research Society as piously complaining that "the taxpayers are subsidizing
meetings of this nature in public facilities." The meeting room was
properly rented and paid for. There was no "subsidy". Dutton's complaint is
a bit much coming from a person whose now de-registered organization has
collected over $742,000 from various levels of government in the past five
years. Indeed, a printout provided me by John Bryden (Lib. --
Hamilton-Wentworth) indicates that, since 1991, the Canadian Heritage
Department has provided Mr. Dutton's group with $232,600 for basically
churning out "anti-racist" propaganda and trying to shut down those who
disagree with him."

But back to the front-page article itself:

"Given the controversy, the library board will look into the event and may
try to devise a policy that more closely scrutinizes groups using the
facility, said board chairman Maurice Chazottes.

About 75 people attended Saturday's meeting.  The participants included
people from all over Canada, including Paul Fromm, a Toronto teacher who
caused a stir four years ago when he spoke at a neo-Nazi rally, and Tony
McAleer, who operated a Vancouver telephone line that carried hate messages
before a human rights tribunal pulled the plug.

Also attending was Doug Collins, a columnist for the North Shore News
newspaper in North Vancouver who maintains the number of Jews killed by the
Nazis during the Second World War has been exaggerated.  Collins is the
subject of several outstanding complaints to the Human Rights Council.

One local woman, who refused to give her name, said she attended the
seminar simply 'out of curiosity.'

After the seminar, the participants dispersed for the group's annual George
Orwell free speech dinner.  The dinner was held at an undisclosed location.

The dinner invitation stated that the Free Speech League 'will once again
honor two people who have dedicated extraordinary effort to the promotion
of freedom of expression in this country.'  Christie, however, refused to
say who the honored guests were.

Four years ago, the dinner was raided by police because British author
David Irving - banned from entering Canada - surreptitiously came across
the border to speak at the dinner and accept an award from Christie.

Irving, who claims the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated, was arrested at
the dinner and later deported."

End of the brain wash cycle.

I need not point out that the article above is full of smears, inaccuracies
and innuendoes I will not get into - except to say that it is true that
David Irving has been banned from Canada NOT for what he said but for what
he MIGHT have said, had he been but allowed to speak.

This is your Canada today.  I told them at the dinner how I escaped four
dictators.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"A square leaf on any tree would be ugly, being a violation of the laws of
growth in trees, and we ought to feel it so."

(John Ruskin)














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November 1, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite

Now that Australia is ostensibly loosening the reins on Freedom of Speech,
controversy still surrounds Europe's best-known Revisionist, David Irving.


Irving, as you may recall, became a "convert" to Revisionism after he saw
the evidence of the dramatic Leuchter Report in the 1988 Zundel trial.  He
has become persona non grata ever since and has been banned from several
countries:

Here is an update on what is going on:

"Why I should be free to speak in Australia - David Irving : published in
The Age, Melbourne, Australia, 27 September 1996.

- Controversial British historian David Irving challenges John Howard to
show his commitment to free speech by allowing him to enter the country -

Winston Churchill said that a historian's job is to find out what happened
and why. What happened was that the Labor Government's Immigration
Minister, Gerry Hand, wrote to me on 9 February 1993 announcing that he had
banned my third visit to Australia (he had revealed this to Jewish
community leaders a week earlier).

His successor, Nick Bolkus, upheld the ban, and despite four court actions
at considerable expense to taxpayers - one of which I won - I was not able
to overturn it because the outgoing Labor Government moved the goalposts,
amending the Immigration Act in February 1995. Some legal experts believe
the Government changed the law specifically to keep me out. I still cannot
really see why I have been prohibited from entering Australia, but I do now
know how , since almost four years of litigation has opened up a score of
former secret files kept on me by Canberra and various government agencies.

We now know that the Labor Government made its controversial decision to
ban my third lecture tour at the request of various bodies representing the
interests of Australian and foreign Jews. The ruling came from the Prime
Minister's personal office, despite recommendations from the ministry staff
and intelligence agencies to the contrary.

I have published some 30 books since 1961. What the objectors took
exception to were some of my opinions as a historian - for example, I have
stated in public lectures that the "gas chamber" shown to visitors at the
former Auschwitz concentration camp is a fake built after the war. I was
fined $30,000 in 1993 for stating this in one lecture in Munich. In modern
Germany, there is an artificial offence, unknown to criminal law elsewhere
in the free world, of "defaming the memory of the dead". Ironically, in
January 1995, the Polish authorities admitted that the "gas chamber"
building on show to visitors was indeed built in 1948. The reputable French
news magazine L'Express reported this admission on 26 January 1995 but
reputable historians have known it all along. The $30,000 German fine,
however, still stands. Of course, it gives me a criminal record, about
which Isi Leibler and other Australian critics never tire of gloating to
the media.

In the United States, where freedom of speech is protected by law - as it
should be in every country of the world - my foes use different methods. In
1993, hackers dumped on the Immigration Service computer " a yard and a
half of garbage" about me, as a senior immigration officer at Washington's
airport told me. They had hoped to get me excluded from the United States.
I was held for three hours while the US authorities investigated. They soon
detected the forgery, and their embassy in London apologized to me. Last
March, the same foes started a terror campaign against my US publisher, St.
Martin's Press, that was about to launch my biography of Dr. Joseph
Goebbels - I alone have been able to make use of all the Nazi minister's
diaries in Moscow - and against Doubleday, which had made it its Book of
the Month Club selection for May. Production of the book, the result of
eight years work, was cancelled.

But miracles do still happen. Although the Goebbels book is not even
available to US readers, their biggest literary journal, the New York
Review of Books, has just devoted six tabloid pages to a glowing review
written by a leading modern historian, Professor Gordon Craig of Stanford
University, who is perhaps coincidentally not a Jew. Perhaps John Howard,
in deciding my new application, should read it. Craig writes: 'Silencing
Mr. Irving would be a high price to pay for freedom from the annoyance that
he causes us. The fact is that he knows more about National Socialism than
most professional scholars in his field, and students of the years 1933-45
owe more than they are always willing to admit to his energy as a
researcher and to the scope and vigor of his publications.'

He continues:  'It is always difficult for the non-historian to remember
that there is nothing absolute about historical truth. What we consider as
such is only an estimation, based upon what the best available evidence
tells us. It must constantly be tested against new information and new
interpretations that appear, however implausible they may be, or it will
lose its vitality and degenerate into dogma or shibboleth. Such people as
David Irving, then, have an indispensable part in the historical
enterprise, and we dare not disregard their views.'

On 4 October, I shall lodge a fresh application for permission to visit
Australia. I trust John Howard to keep his word to encourage true debate.
He might even instruct the Government's solicitors to withdraw the $50,000
bill that they presented to me yesterday for the Government's legal costs
in defeating my second visa application in the courts. Restoring freedom of
speech to Australia has been a costly exercise."

Now it is almost a month later.  I haven't heard anything yet about
additional developments.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Where people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other."

(Eric Hoffer)



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