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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:


This one must take the cake!  Here comes the newest wrinkle:

Now it turns out, to no one's great surprise, that the government of
Germany has targeted SPECIFIC German-language documents we posted on the
Zundelsite as "endangering Germany's youth"!  And this is done by
government decree called "indizieren." -

"Indizieren" is the equivalent of what the Catholic Church practiced for
1,500 years - putting books they did not like on an "index" and thereby
making it impossible to sell, distribute or advertise them legally.

Without exception, and not too surprisingly, these "indexed" Zundelsite
documents are Holocaust-related - and just perusing them might make you
think that they were chosen not by content so much as by title.  Not one of
them, by the way, is a book or even a booklet.  They are articles or
pamphlets - and no one is selling them off our website.

The titles are: (in English translation)

The Leuchter Report - End of a Myth
Auschwitz:  Myths and Facts
Inside the Auschwitz Gas Chambers
A Prominent False Witness:  Elie Wiesel
What Is Holocaust Denial?
Pressac's New Auschwitz-Book
The Making of a Holocaust Revisionist
"Judicial Notice of Unnassailable Fact" - Or Justice?

Once again it is Ernst Zundel and his bedeviled Zundelsite pioneering
cyberspace rules dramatically by helping set the boundaries by which the
Internet will be governed and directed in the future.

And isn't it ironic that here you have a "Neo-Nazi", reviled and demonized
for decades, who helps to keep the "free world" free?  It wouldn't be the
first time.  Remember the Supreme Court decision in the Zundel case in
1992?  It gave Canada more rights of freedom of expression than it had ever
had before - while the HoloHucksters were gnashing their teeth!

Now given the above, several thoughts come to mind:

1.      Only the German version of these articles was targeted.  We have
some of the same articles in English.  Does that mean that Germans who
would like to read these documents would criminalize themselves reading
them in German but not in English - or Spanish, French, Italian or Swahili?


2.      The government has no obligation to let an individual or
organization know which documents are "dangerous" or not.  Once a document
or book is "indiziert," it is up to the individual to divine that.  Someone
in the United States - where, so we hope, freedom still reigns - who
innocently copies and posts one of our documents will not know that he is
"endangering" Germany's youth.  Inquiring minds will want to know - don't
you think?  He or she will have no way of knowing that people can go to
prison for downloading something from his or her website.

3.      What would happen if, let's say, some 500 websites copied and
posted a certain document all over the world - just to spit in the face of
an idiotic law sprung from a repressive medieval mindset and make a stand
for freedom?  Would the government of Germany hunt and haunt all these
different websites globally?  Can you imagine the paperwork and cost to the
taxpayers of Germany?  The loss of face for doing something that blatant to
protect the political and monetary interests of the Shrill Minority?

4.      At least one of the documents, "What is Holocaust Denial?" was
published by the "Canadian Free Speech League" as an official position
paper.  Does that mean that the government of Germany is dictating to free
speech supporters in Canada  what philosophical stance they must hold to
accommodate an already legally discredited version of the Holocaust?

5.      This is the first time, to my knowledge, where generalizations like
"Neo-Nazi propaganda" or "pornography" have been narrowed down to specific
examples on the Internet.  To illustrate: is one thing to say that
"pornography" is offensive.  Most people would agree with that.  It is
another thing to say:  "This picture, specifically, is offensive."  This
brings up the hairy matter of criteria.  At least from a legal point of
view, it makes the matter of censorship vastly more difficult and
vulnerable to challenge.

6)      As I understand it, so far the "crime" of forbidden literature in
Germany was "physical possession".  If you had a book in your bedroom
drawer in Munich, let's say, that had been "indiziert", the government
could launch a midnight raid and zap you with fines in the thousands - or
even send you to prison.  But what if a person decides not to download and,
hence, to "own" the document where it can be physically seized, but simply
decides to read and memorize it?  Can the government of Germany seize the
brain where it is stored?

7)      What if a student stumbles accidentally onto a forbidden document,
reads several paragraphs, says to himself:  "Oh, my God!  This stuff is
Politically Incorrect!"  and jumps off that site like a hare.  He certainly
hasn't inhaled.  Could a click on a website be enough to criminalize an
otherwise perfectly Politically Correct Person?  Who is to say how much of
it he read?

8)      What if a person decides to visit and study forbidden documents -
not for the purpose of hunting for the truth but for the purpose of
harassing people searching for the truth - let's say, a German version of a
Nizkorite?  If he or she prints out a document in order to refute it, does
he or she not "possess" it as well, albeit for Politically Correct reasons?


The possibilities of bizarre consequences seem endless!

This newest governmental move would seem to be a bureaucratic nightmare for
Germany as well as yet another indication of just how desperately the
HoloHucksters try to close the barn door long after the horse has escaped.

There are now in existence literally thousands and thousands of documents
which challenge the Holocaust Myth.  To track them down and notify the
parties posting them that they are doing something cyber-wise that will get
unknown, untold people in Germany an unpleasant "criminal" record must
surely be a "first"!

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Under current law, it is a crime for a private citizen to lie to a
government official, but not for the government official to lie to the
people."

(Donald M. Fraser)






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"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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Article: 61808 of alt.revisionism
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

We have a patriotic holiday here from sea to shining sea -  the
Long-Weekend-Before-School-Starts - and, therefore, I have had no feedback
>from  anyone in the front trenches or from the German lawyers regarding what
the latest German government move of "indexing" the Zundelsite posts might
mean.  Ernst, too, has been off on a speaking engagement.

In the meantime I thought I might keep you abreast of the thinking of some
of our ZGram readers to this latest Holohuckster salvo.

Here's one that made me laugh out loud:

"You know, I am beginning to wonder about these people (in the German
government). All of this reads like something out of a low grade World War
2 agiprop movie, depicting stupid Germans stomping about occupied territory
seizing records and documents to find out who is in the brave resistance.
While they stomp, the world laughs and the clever resistance waltzes around
their clumsy efforts.

Ingrid, in a flash I have it! These "Germans" in the German government must
have watched these movies and believe that's how Germans are and how they
act!

That's it!  It's got to be!  It has nothing to do with insidious pressure.
It's how those old movies formed their kopf.

"Sie haben kinokopf".

Could it be that those old Allied propaganda movies - showing how stupid
and clumsy Germans are - were used by the Allied Military Occupational
Governments as training films?  Maybe they just never replaced them?

'Dummkopf' has attained a new height of meaning."

Another reader finds utility and wants to share how to be safe, not sorry:

"Books on that index you wrote about are often quite interesting. So our
government actually helps me to find more interesting things . . .

Why not put some of the texts online on your site so everybody can
recognize their danger and warn the others?"

A third wrote thusly - kind of along my own thoughts:

"I wonder if the German Government hasn't put it's foot very deeply in it's
mouth.  If you refuse to play THEIR game and insist on putting forward your
evidence, they, who have most to lose; could lose everything.

If you use this to bring forward your proofs for each point in each
document;  these bozos could be handing you your victory on a silver
platter.

If you're wrong, they're going to get the effect they intend;  but if you
have convincing evidence, reasonable people are going to be saying "Hey,
what's going on here?".

People like me are looking for legitimate heroes. . . . If not in America,
or Canada, it could  be GERMANY.  Wouldn't that be sweet. . . "

And a fourth hit the nail of the head:

"Would someone please suggest to them if they really want to find out how
wicked we are, to subscribe to the ZGram?"

To shift the focus just slightly, there has been an additional and, at
least to my mind, extremely telling development.

Someone at the Harvard Law School has decided to group all the "hateful"
web pages together for the convenience of the world's future lawyers, and
to contrast them with antidotes such as the ADL, the Nizkorites and - I'm
not kidding you! - the Toronto-based neo-Marxist hoodlum ARA.

To me, this is a DREAM!  Maybe tomorrow I will cry, but right now, I'm
beside myself!  Some of the finest minds in the United States or studying
in the United States will now be introduced to what is merely ranting and
shrieking (on both sides!) and what is serious Revisionism.

Couldn't have done it better myself!

This latest tells you just how critically our Traditional Enemy (David
Irving's favorite phrase) has lost control of containment of Politically
Incorrect Thought.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"My idea of education is to unsettle the minds of the young and inflame
their intellects."

(Robert Maynard Hutchins)





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Good Morning from the Zundelsite

A recurring theme in many of the letters we receive is that of the totally
beholden, servile mainstream media - what I call Lapdog Media - and the
healthy, instinctive reaction of people who turn to alternative news.  I
don't consider the ZGrams "news" except in a very peripheral sense - I do
them merely so as to leave as accurate a record as I can of the ferment of
our times and of the essence of the ever-more-polarizing ideological
struggle.

The letter below is typical of how the Net and its nature are viewed by
people who are tuned in to what is going on:

". . . Don't know 'bout now, but 8 years ago Mark Lane and Victor Marchetti
used to bring out a newsletter called "Zionwatch." It was an expensive
bundle of paper, but it seemed to do a pretty thorough job of tracking
Zionist influence, personalities, mischief, chicanery, etc. After a year I
didn't renew my subscription (I almost wrote "prescription"--a Freudian
slip or what?) because of the cost and competition for my time and
attention. I think it was a bi-monthly item.

Nowadays I receive the equivalent and more of "Zionwatch" from inbound
e-mail and my own occasional monitoring efforts on a *daily* basis. How
times have changed. Goodness! how times have changed! A daunting fact
you've underscored oftentimes in the Zundelgrams.

The opposition to the Zionist Moloch has gone high tech with a vengeance:
Strom, Black, Smith (Winston and Bradley), Butz, Toben, Rami, Thion - the
list goes on and on and on. What must really rattle our opponents is the
tremendous intellectual firepower in the revisionist and/or patriot camp. I
am constantly amazed by two things:  the articulate, insightful articles
that pour out of our camp and the dreary shabbiness of the material dredged
up by our opponents.

What's truly remarkable from our perspective (and dangerous from that of
our opposition) is the twofold thrust of the revisionist outreach. That is,
we not only unmask the lies of the past (re Auschwitz, Katyn, etc.), but
also those of the present . . . as they are being told (re the alleged
"co-ordinated" burning of the black churches in the Deep South, the CSIS
and SIRC collusion to deport Zundel, etc.)

More and more now there is an ever widening perception that mainstream
media is giving the public only the outer husk of "the news" and that to be
truly informed one must turn to the Net to discover the hard kernels of
truth underneath. In doing so, two things happen: the digger-after-truth
learns enough to piece together the whole story concerning some current
event - *and* discovers, in the process, the degree to which he has been
lied to or misled by mainstream media.

Result: the credibility of the mainstream media is crumbling hourly. In
fact, even those derisively referred to as "the unwashed masses" are
likewise rapidly losing confidence in them.

It is said that Khomeinist messages disseminated by the cheap Sony
tape-recorder galvanized the Iranians and brought about the Islamic
Revolution in 1978, which culminated in the overthrow of the seemingly
invincible Shah's regime. No wonder our opposition is frantic about the
freedom and power our people can exercise through the Net.

It is laying the foundation for a second American Revolution.

That's why I was so happy to see and report on the Harvard Law School item
yesterday.  To have us be listed as "examples of web hate" is telling  and
shows the state of mind and level of Zionist influence at Harvard.

It is especially revealing when we get posted vis-a-vis such unsavory
groups as  the Toronto-based, inarticulate, violent ARA - which stands, of
course, for "Anti-Racist-Action".  That kind of exposure of who we really
are and what we really say is worth more than publicity money could buy.
The mere juxtaposition of our sites and our postings against that filthy,
uncouth ARA site will once again do our work for us.  Anybody with three
brain cells left to do comparisons will see comparisons - and draw his own
conclusions.

And what is so remarkable - and heartening - is that so many of our
Converts-to-the-Truth come straight out of the mainstream media camp - and
some of them are in positions of power where they can feed the wire.  They
are fed up with being lackeys.  A healthy mind despises being treated as a
hireling - and must despise itself for doing scut work for a parasitic
enterprise of mind manipulation to serve a shrill minority's incessant
tribal strivings.

It's just as Samuel Taylor Coleridge said two hundred years ago:  "And in
today already walks tomorrow."

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The eyes believe themselves;  the ears believe other people."

(German proverb)





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______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).


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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Ernst is a real Scotchman when it comes to stuffing a letter with flyers to
get the max out of what postage stamps allow, and one of these flyers I get
repeatedly, adorned with exclamation marks and with suggestions to make it
into a ZGram, is a small pamphlet entitled "Could Hitler have avoided
confrontation with Jews?"  by Austin J. App, Ph.D.

I am not particularly fond of this pamphlet, for several good reasons.  For
one, I think in certain parts it is misleading because it does not properly
expand and amplify on concepts such as "affirmative action" and
"pornography" as tackled in the Hitler years - but since Ernst is so fond
of it, and I am fond of Ernst, I am now shipping it.

Here goes:

"Many people imagine that if Hitler had not quarreled with the Jews, he
would have been all right and everything would have been well.  For many
years, I tended to think so, too.  I used to say:  "Hitler should have
given Einstein a gold medal - and then go on with his program."

I grew my first doubts after Uncle Sam invited Einstein to America.  In a
very short time he proved a nuisance, a pro-Communist, a subversive;  the
confrontation he had had with Hitler he soon had with Uncle Sam.  I began
to consider what Hitler had said to Nobel Prize winner Max Planck:  "I have
nothing at all against the Jews themselves.  But Jews are all Communists,
and these are my enemies."  (Bulletin of the American Association of
University Professors, Autumn 1956, p. 439)

While pondering the notion that if Hitler had only refrained from
contending with Jews, all would have been well, I chanced to hear some
preacher say:  "If Christ had not offended the Scribes and Pharisees, he
would not have been crucified."  This at first struck me as plausible.  But
on second thought I questioned if Christ could have remained the Messiah,
could have continued to be "the truth, the way, and the life," which was
his mission, had he appeased the Scribes and Pharisees!  Was not his
mission irreconcilable with the Talmudism of the latter?

And what about Hitler?  Could he have had a cozy relationship with the
Jews, and yet be true to his mission:  self-determination for the German
people, rejection of the yoke of international bankers, quash pornography,
prostitution, infuse Christian culture into the arts and theater?  Could he
have insisted the one percent of aliens should not have appreciably more
than one percent of the professional and media positions (as for example,
under the Weimar Republic, one percent of Jews accounted for 16% of lawyers
and notaries, 11 % of physicians, 15% of realtors, but only 0.01% of
miners, carpenters and bricklayers)?

Would Hitler not, no matter how conciliatory he felt toward Jews, have had
to initiate reforms which would have made him the object of concentrated
Jewish hate, as a similar mission made of Christ?  A newspaper column by
one Sidney Harris, entitled "Hitler was Evil" (Charlotte Observer, July 17,
1979) vitriolically suggests that no matter how fair Hitler would have
tried to treat Jews, his nationalistic German policies, his real mission,
would have got him on a collision course with Jews.  Sidney Harris
complains that some Germans are beginning to say:  "If he had let the Jews
alone and concentrated on giving us jobs and lifting the economy, he could
have been a good leader of the German people."

Sidney Harris, presumably Jewish, sabotages that notion:  "No, no, a
thousand times no!  If he had never harmed a single one (Jew). . . he still
would have been an incarnation of evil.  The Holocaust was not his sin.  It
was only the most visible mark of the Anti-Christ."

One gasps at this outburst of Talmudic venom - and notices in it a parallel
to hatred of the Scribes and Pharisees against Jesus of Nazareth.  When the
latter in a kangaroo court found no cause against Him, until He said He was
the Son of God, . . . the Chief Priest tore his garments and cried:
"Blasphemy!  What further need we urge to get him crucified!  He is
anti-Jehovah!"

Just so now Sidney Harris and the descendants of the Scribes and Pharisees
denounce Hitler the anti-Communist, and anti-pornographer - "the
Antichrist."

As the truth begins hesitantly to pierce the fog of war atrocity
propaganda, it becomes increasingly evident that if Hitler had really been
Antichrist, if he had in fact been against Christianity and Christian
culture, if specifically he had really hated the Catholic Church, he would,
we can be absolutely certain, have been exalted like Stalin as a crusading
hero, and the swindlers and pornographers, Jews and atheists - and
Roosevelt and Churchill - would openly or secretly have supported him - as
they supported Stalin, the bloodiest anti-Christ monster of all time!"

This article first appeared in the August, 1978, issue of "The Liberty
Bell."  The gist of it is NOT, of course, that Hitler was the Messiah or
saw himself and passed himself off as the Messiah, but that it would have
been a violation of the necessity of the lancing of the boil that made a
nation sick and that he had identified:  the alien infiltration, the
systematic crippling and deforming of the Aryan soul and spirit in the
corrupt Weimar Republic - a time in history so much like our times.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Nature always collects her debts."

(William Sheldon)

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"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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*       There has been a new but expected development in the continuing
saga of the persecution of Ernst Zundel insisting on his right to say:
"Did Six Million Really Die?"

On September 3, one of his attorneys, Doug Christie, was notified that
there will be an appeal by the Canadian Government to the Federal Court of
Appeal in response to Judge Heald's ruling that SIRC cease the KGB-type
hearings.  No date has yet been set.

For those who are late to this Zundel-Watch, details can be found at the
Zundelsite, http;//www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/  It is a complex story
of a country willing to spend millions and millions of perfectly good
taxpayers' money to get one German to quit talking about legitimate
concerns about the "Holocaust".

*       I finally had a chance to watch the Famous Irving Tape that
everybody talks about - I don't know if it has a title - and I must say I
am impressed.  Students are using it to introduce Revisionism to their
professors by simply asking them ". . . for your opinion."  They are
reporting good results.  If you are a student, you might want to look into
this idea.  The tape can be bought, I believe, for $20 by writing for
further information to justin49@mail.nwlink.com

*       And speaking of students' efforts, I promised I would help them by
finding volunteers to translate about 20 double-spaced pages of a
Revisionist Primer into as many languages as possible.  Anyone?  I already
have a translation in Japanese.  Please only those who have a good
linguistic feel, for this is an important document, and it is imperative to
stay as close as possible to the original.  Ask me for further information.
We need all the languages we can get.

*       CODOH International, http://www.codoh.com/ forwarded this reader
letter to us because it typical of so many brand new Holocaust skeptics:

". . . Before reading your material, and looking at some of the other
revisionist websites, I hadn't seriously questioned the validity of the
"orthodox" view of the Holocaust. I had thought that the only people
questioning the Holocaust were Neo-Nazis, KKK, skinheads, etc., out to
promote a Zionist-dominated-one-world-government conspiracy theory. (To be
fair, some of 'em are.) The fact that the Nazis and the KKK believe that
something is fishy about the Holocaust, doesn't prove or disprove its
historical validity.

Many people uncritically accept the prevailing view of the Holocaust as
gospel, even given the lamentable history of governments and special
interest groups promoting the most outrageous propaganda for self-serving
purposes, especially during wartime.

I try to keep an open mind, to always question the "conventional wisdom" on
any topic. Your site certainly provides food for thought. Put me down as
newly skeptical about the Holocaust, at least as it is typically promoted.

It takes a lot of courage to stand up against the "conventional wisdom" and
subject yourself to slurs and attacks for something you believe in. . . "

Another, more seasoned reader, reports a recent victory pertaining to the
tallying of Politically Incorrect Thought at Nizkor:

 ". . . I haven't yet received any response to my question about the
strange way Nizkor keep(s) track of people's posts here, but for a while, I
was looking at my name in the people directory: it happened!

I broke the 1 Meg barrier recently. I joined A. Baron, Tom Moran, M. Giwer
and a couple of others in the millionaire club (while Matt may have
join(ed) it after a month).

This is an important moment in my life, perhaps as much as when I swam a
100 meters below 1 minute 15 seconds.

Happy megabyte to ya . . ."

And finally, one of our regular media folks sent me this little gem:

". . . A children's poem that made an impression on me as a boy was
Christina Rossetti's "What are Heavy?" (She was the sister of Dante Gabriel
Rossetti, the superb painter of the Pre-Raphaelite school about 100 years
ago, whose work expresses the Aryan spirit in so many ways.)

What are heavy?
Sea-sand and sorrow.
What are brief?
To-day and to-morrow.
What are frail?
Spring blossoms and youth.
What are deep?
The ocean and truth.

Let that be your Thought of the Day.

Ingrid





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As I was digging through an old box of papers yesterday, I came across this
reference somebody sent me about Galileo Galilei, who was born in 1564 and
lived to 1642.  This gifted man was tortured in 1633  by the Inquisition
until he was willing to sign that:

". . . I, Galileo Galilei, . . . aged seventy years, being brought
personally to judgement, and kneeling before you Most Reverend Lords
Cardinals, General Inquisitors of the universal Christian republic against
depravity . . . swear that . . . I held and believed that the sun is the
center of the universe and is immovable, and that the earth is not the
center and is movable; willing, therefore, to remove from the minds of your
Eminences, and of every Catholic Christian, this vehement suspicion [of
heresy] rightfully entertained against me . . .

I abjure, curse and detest the said errors and heresies, . . . and I swear
that I will never more in future say or assert anything verbally, or in
writing, which may give rise to a similar suspicion of me . . .

But if it shall happen that I violate any of my said promises, oaths and
protestations (which God avert!), I shall subject myself to all the pain
and punishments which have been decreed . . . against delinquents of this
description.

(Reference: Lodge, Sir Oliver, "Pioneers of Science", MacMillan & Co,
London, 1893. Reprinted by Dover Publications, New York, 1960. This
reference obtained from: Beckmann, Petr, "A History of Pi", The Golem
Press, Boulder, CO, 1982, p. 81)

Petr Beckmann goes on to comment that Galileo, having signed the above
"confession", was

"Thereupon [. . .] sentenced to life imprisonment in a Roman dungeon. The
sentence was later commuted and he died, a blind and broken man, in 1642.

But not even in death did the pious inquisitors leave him in peace. They
destroyed many of his manuscripts, disputed his right to burial in
consecrated ground, and denied him a monument in the ludicrous hope that
this brilliant thinker and his work would be forgotten".

Writes my friend:

"Incidentally, you might also be interested to know that Giordano Bruno
(1548-1600) was burned alive in Rome for claiming that the earth moves
around the sun."

Does that remind you of our times?  In that same box I found a copy of a
Resolution of a Congressional Session (H316) of the 104th Congress

". . . (d)eploring individuals who deny the historical reality of the
Holocaust and commending the vital, ongoing work of the United States
Holocaust Memorial Museum.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, December 20, 1995:

Whereas the Holocaust is a basic fact of history, the denial of which is no
less absurd than the denial of the occurrence of the Second World War;

Whereas the Holocaust - the systematic, state-sponsored mass murders by
Nazi Germany of 6,000,000 Jews, alongside millions of others, in the name
of a perverse racial theory - stands as one of the most ferociously heinous
state acts the world has ever known; and

Whereas those who promote the denial of the Holocaust do so out of profound
ignorance or for the purpose of furthering anti-Semitism and racism.  Now,
therefore, be it

Resolved, that the House of Representatives -

(1) deplores the persistent, ongoing and malicious efforts by some persons
in this country and abroad to deny the historical reality of the Holocaust;
and

(2) commends the vital, ongoing work of the United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum, which memorializes the victims of the Holocaust and
teaches all who are willing to learn profoundly compelling and universally
resonant moral lessons."

It has been recorded for history that, in 1995, in the United States of
America, the supposedly most "democratic" country in the world, there was
not one dissenting vote by the elected representatives of the people.  Not
one.

Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

"Sins become indispensible in any society organized by priests;  they are
the real handlers of power.  The priest lives on sins;  it is essential for
him that people 'sin'".

(R. A. McConnell)









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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Here is an updated itinerary of David Irving's lecture tour.  Please note
that some of these dates, such as those in the Bay area, are less than
firm.

David Irving speaking dates in the United States, September 1996

September 7     Los Angeles     IHR     (714) 631-1490
September 9     Sacramento      -- pending --   -- TBA --
September 10    San Francisco   Aftab   (510) 845-9200
September 11    Tulsa   Larry   (817) 790-7363
September 12    Atlanta Lawrence        (404) 814-9279
September 13    Washington, DC  Andrew  (202) 986-6628
September 26    Cleveland       Eric    (216) 888-4598
September 27-29 Pittsburgh      MAX Show Expomart

*       And speaking of Irving, I have to make a correction.  The tape I
mentioned several days ago that had the excellent speech students use to
introduce Revisionism to their professors is not sold by those Washington
State students.  That tape was given to them as a courtesy to use for
public use.  If you want to purchase a copy, please e-mail
ralphj@eskimo.com.  This gentleman has other Irving tapes for sale - of
lectures in Portland, 1993, and Seattle and Vancouver, 1995.

*       Several readers have forwarded e-mail on an interesting (and
telling) item one of them described as ". . . the OSI and other hate
groups. . . running out of elderly Eastern Europeans to harass and deport
on charges of having allegedly assisted the Third Reich in the armed forces
some fifty-odd years ago . . . "  and now turning their attention on other
victims to parasitize.

The latest is someone described as a Hungarian-American, named Ferenc
Koreh, age 86.   It seems that this old gentleman was a Radio Free Europe
broadcaster and producer in the early 1950s, helping fight against
Communism.  Janet Reno is reported as having instituted deportation
proceedings against Mr. Koreh - NOT because he was a Hitler soldier or an
SS man or a policeman, or because he worked as a guard at a wartime
concentration camp, but because he allegedly edited a newspaper in Hungary!
Some people call that chutzpah - for no moot reason either.

Reportedly this paper was pro-German, a terrible crime more than 40 years
later in another country, it turns out.  The exact charge against Mr.
Koreh, so one reader reports, is that he ". . . fostered a climate of hate"
in Hungary.

Sounds familiar?

For this, writes my source, this man must now lose his citizenship and
leave the land where he has lived the better part of his adult life. - not
just for Thoughtcrimes in our times, but for Thoughtcrimes committed
decades years ago!

Can it get more bizarre than that?

Yes, it can.  It already has.

In Canada, for instance, it has already happened that people have been
deported in handcuffs - not for what they HAVE done, but for what they
MIGHT do.  David Irving, for instance, who had been invited to lecture
there several years ago, was deported - not even for what he might DO, but
for what he might SAY!

And, of course, the whole controversy around Ernst Zundel's citizenship
application is of that nature - enormous legislative and judicial forces
worth millions and millions of dollars out of taxpayers koffers will be
unleashed recrafting laws that will affect Canada adversely for years and
years to come, if the Dark Forces have their way.  Al this to silence one
sole man who is politically inconvenient - not for what he HAS done in 38
years of peaceful living and working in a perfectly legal capacity in his
publishing and broadcasting empire, but for what he MIGHT do in the future?


Is that called fear, or what?  Facts are stubborn things.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"When Satan captures a position, he seldom bothers to change the flag."

(William Sheldon)





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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One good advantage of doing a daily column is that it focuses your mind
wonderfully - which is also true, it is claimed, of a villain about to be
hanged.

While my fate each morning is not quite as final and drastic, I am being
"hung out to dry," as they say so aptly in America, the moment my Zgram
arrives and readers let their emotions run through their fingertips.
Believe me they won't let me get away with anything - and today it is the
turn of one named Aaron who wonders why I pick on liberals.

Here is what Aaron had to say:

". . . I find it rather troubling that in your Z-grams you constantly put
down what you deem as "liberals". I would like to remind you that the
definition liberal is a multi-faceted word.  While it is true that there
are some who would be classifies as"liberals" who are opposed to free
speech and censorship, there are many, including myself, who try to always
be open-minded and look at all sides of the issues.

For example, a year ago I took a class concerning WWII and for two days the
Holocaust was taught. I was suprised when the teacher mentioned
"revisionists", called them crackpots, and even stated that the Holocaust
should not even be debated because it is ". . . the most well-documented"
event in the history of mankind.

Well, the very statement that it shouldn't be debated made me go on the
Internet and look at what arguments the revisionists had, and having looked
at many sites including, obviously the Zundelsite and CODOH, and having
gone back and forth between the Holocaust proponents and skeptics, I can
definetely say there are very troubling flaws in the orthodox Holocaust
story.

Which brings me to the main point. That is BECAUSEI am a liberal, I was
able to look at the two opposing sides and then make a judgement. Perhaps
if I (had been) a conservative and, as a dictionary definition points out,
"opposed to quick change", I would still accept the traditional Holocaust
story as complete truth."

This letter has been churning in my mind for weeks.  Of course I have no
trouble with "liberals" like Aaron who try to see both sides, and evidently
he has very little trouble with Revisionists like me.  So where is my
grudge against the "liberals" that Aaron picked up on?

I didn't know the perfect answer until I came across this passage, written
by one Carleton Putnam in "Race and Reality":

"Envy of our Anglo-American civilization, and of the qualities of mind and
character which built it, is widespread among certain races. . . there is a
strong drive to dispense its benefits to everybody while denigrating the
source as "Puritan" or "reactionary".

M oney is not the only thing which can be coveted or stolen.  It is just as
possible to steal a culture, or rather to debase it, since with integration
a race without the capacity to adapt can only destroy - it cannot possess.


The leftist in the racial area seeks to take by force the hard-earned and
long-cherished customs, traditions, standards and other social and
political attributes of our White society and distribute and share them . .
.  His instinct here is the same as his instinct in the economic area.

. . . Pity for the deserving poor and hostility toward the sort of
buccaneering economic tyranny which characterized the late nineteenth
century are healthy motivations.  They spring from a desire for justice
which is one of our higher human qualities. . .

What the leftist does is to kidnap this quality and use it to lead people
across the boundary beyond justice, even beyond all reasonable mercy, to
the point where the taxing power, drafts upon the public treasury and other
laws are used to attract the votes of people who have no objection
whatsoever to letting someone else meet their bills or pay the price of
their mistakes.

Soon a habit is formed, one of the most unbreakable habits known to man,
and the beneficiaries come to expect the donation as a right.  Thus the
taxation of success, enterprise and thrift to support failure, indolence,
and improvidence is institutionalized.

If the society is a rich one with large accumulations of wealth from the
past, or with a highly productive technology developed by its more
intelligent members, the leftist is in his glory for many years.  His
popularity with the masses knows no bounds, and more and more intellectuals
join his ranks as they build ingenious excuses for abandoning the old
verities.  Only by degrees does the irreversibility of the trend become
apparent.

The heritage of earlier days, enshrined in hundreds of ideals and
principles. the experience of a thousand years of trial and error in
building and controlling a free society, slowly are eroded away.  Only at
long last is it discovered that a civilization has been destroyed."

This is, in part, the fuel that keeps a Revisionist going.  Not all of us
could have articulated it as well, but all of us can sense it - that this
is NOT about the Holocaust alone.

This is about the "why" behind the "who, what, where, when and how . . . "
of what the world has learned to call the "Holocaust".

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Higher than love of a neighbor is love of the farthest and future."

(Friedrich Nietzsche in "Thus Spake Zarathustra")




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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

In one of his notorious midnight calls - it's 9 p.m. here in the West -
Ernst told me glowingly that "Did Six Million Really Die?" has now been
beautifully translated into Russian and will be featured on the Zundelsite
in just a day or two.  I caught a sneak preview from my Toronto associate
who was working out the crimps of the technical translation into Cyrillic
characters, and I must say it was a jolt to the pit of my stomach -  that
here I am a German in America raised in a Third World country posting in
Russian in hopes of helping save the world from the most cravenly
mendacious story ever peddled on the gullable to swallow globally!

This marks the 19th translation of the booklet that started it all for
Ernst Zundel - and all because a Jewess thought that she could get away
with censoring that booklet's content and distribution through a criminal
court action.

Well, since then word has spread.  And has it ever spread!

Somebody sent me an excerpt of a most interesting article (or book?), the
gist of which I am quoting below.  It is entitled "A Blind Eye to History"
and written by one Robert Fisk.  (From the British Independent, reprinted
in The Daily Yomiuri. Sunday September 8th 1996, offered here under the
Fair Use Law as a public service for educational purposes only)

The author, according to my reader, ". . . looks into a wave of Holocaust
denial that has seized the Arab World":

A new Arabic imprint of Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf" has been thundering off
the presses of a publishing company high in the hills above Beirut.  With
its cover adorned with a swastika and a photograph of a young, earnest
looking Hitler, 2,500 copies have already been distributed to Lebanese book
shops.

In his windowless printing offices in Kesrouan  a bunkerlike building
whose walls of prestressed concrete would have appealed to the author of
the book Selim Sader agrees that Hitler was "not a very nice man". But he
adds, "If you ask the Nazis, they would have told you something different."


The preface to the edition originally printed in 1963 and also distributed
in Iraq  would certainly not have offended the Nazis. Louis alHaj, the
former editorinchief of the Beirut newspaper An Nahar, who died two years
ago, tells readers that Hitler's theories of nationalism, government and
race are "eternal" issues, that Hitler "one of the few great men who
almost stopped the passage of history"  left behind him an "intellectual
heritage".

(The author) set(s) off into an argument that is today heard ever more
frequently and disturbingly throughout the Middle East. "It is not true
that six million Jews were killed in the Second World War," he said. When I
told him he was wrong  that documentation and historical research had
conclusively proven this figure to be true  he brusquely changed his
argument.

"If Hitler did kill six million Jews, then I am against the killing of
these six million. But I am against the killing of even one citizen of any
country. The Israelis say that the Jewish suffering entitles them to take
Palestinian land and make a state. So do millions of Palestinians have to
be killed for them to be afforded human rights?"

The Holocaust  and the attempt to deny its reality  has always proven an
intractable problem for Arabs. Over the years, I have listened to Lebanese
and Syrians and Egyptians and Saudis insisting that Hitler's destruction of
Europe's Jews was a "myth" invented by the Israelis to justify their
seizure of Palestinian Arab land.
. . .
But the new wave of historical denial in the Middle East appears to have
sprung from the growing  if tardy  realisation that Israel, supported by
the most pliant of all US administrations, would win whatever peace was
made with the Arabs, and that the "peace process", heavily in Israel's
favour (since it guarantees no military withdrawals, no Palestinian capital
in Jerusalem and no Palestinian state), would be imposed on the Middle East
whether or not the Arabs liked it.

If that "process" is now regarded here as already buried  and Israel's
determination to build yet more Jewish homes on Arab land as part of the
funeral service  this has of course not staunched the growing refusal to
understand and to concede the facts of the Holocaust. Roger Garaudy, the
French philosopher whose book "Les mythes fondateurs de la politique
israelienne" calls into question the very nature of the Holocaust, has now
been honoured with an Arabic edition of his work, published by the El Ghad
el Arabi press in Cairo.

Last month Mr Garaudy undertook a tour of Arab capitals, received by Vice
President Abdul Halim Khaddam in Damascus, by Lebanese intellectuals  both
Christian and Muslim  in Beirut and by the Jordanian Association of
Writers in Amman. He was feted in all three cities and given prominent and
almost exclusively favourable coverage in the Arab press.
. . .
Holocaustdenial has become institutionalized in some Arab countries. Most
refused to show Stephen Spielberg's film Schindler's List, citing a variety
of specious reasons for their decision. In Egypt, the government banned the
film on the grounds that it contained "too many murders" . . .

The author then shares a personal vignette:

". . . When I worked on a series of three films in 1993 for Britain's
Channel 4 and the American Discovery channel, under the title From Beirut
to Bosnia, part of the second film recorded the fate of a Jewish family
during the Holocaust, a family whose survivors now lived in the home of an
exiled Palestinian in presentday Israel.

But when the Beirut New TV channel bought the rights to the film to show in
Lebanon, they abruptly ended the second film as I approached the door of
the Holocaust survivors in Acre, cutting off the elderly Israeli's
description of his family's murder, pictures of his original home in Poland
and scenes of the railway station and memorial ground at Treblinka
extermination camp.

When I protested to one of the station's officials, he replied that
"Lebanese security people don't like film about the Holocaust."
. . .
When the same film series was shown in the United States, an Israeli lobby
group brought commercial pressure on Discovery not to reshow the series.
They complained, among other things, that I should never have referred to
the West Bank as "occupied"  it was at the time occupied by thousands of
Israeli troops, as most of it still is, and claimed that a pregnant
Palestinian girl whom the Israeli army refused to assist to hospital during
a curfew was not in fact expecting a child. She later gave birth to her
supposedly nonexistent baby, but Discovery caved in and refused a second
showing to the series  thus ironically ensuring that the Holocaust
sequence also disappeared.

This is only one small example of the problem encountered by anyone trying
to report the facts of Israeli history. Reporters, for example, who
regularly refer to the expulsion of Palestinians by Israelis in 1948  at
least 750,000 were driven from their homes  regularly receive letters from
supporters of Israel who accuse them of antisemitism, adding,
untruthfully, that the Palestinians left under the orders of their own
political leadership.

. . . the Holocaust requires an empathy which a humiliated Arab world
cannot find within itself."

There is much to be learned from the Arabs.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The highest compact we can make with our fellow is:  Let there be truth
between us two forevermore."

(Ralph Waldo Emerson)


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"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One of the advantage of "Documentation by Duress," - namely being hauled
before a judge to answer to the heinous crime of "Holocaust Denial" - is
that the evidence collected thereby can then be used as legal sorties
against the very ones who want to silence us.

This is now happening not just to Ernst, who in retaliation has finally
initiated several libel suits against the lapdog media and institutions and
organizations who have defamed HIS name, but more and more to other folks
around the world who draw on hard, cold proof of fraud, graft, trickery,
entrapment, intimidation and extortion - and sometimes even murder - when
it comes to the "Holocaust."

I was glad to be told that this is true of David Irving who certainly has
had his share of Holocaust-inspired terror and harassment. Here's what he
shared at a recent lecture in Southern California, sponsored by the
Institute for Historical Review:

"David Irving delivered fireworks with great humor, saying he has grown
tired of turning the other cheek.

'It's all over with open season on David Irving,'"he announced. Big Cheese
Lipstadt, should she show up in Britain, will be served a warrent to appear
in court to respond to some 50 detailed charges of 'Verleumdnung' - false
statements, claims, character assassination, wilful lies etc, the whole
enchilada.

Similar procedures (have been) initiated against the four biggest book
store chains which refused to sell his 'dirt' (his term) but featured
Lipstadt Holocaust Denial bull. The whole chain of event which lead to the
cancellation of the American edition of his "Goebbels" (title) was told in
detail and a most entertaining fashion."

So if you have a chance to hear David Irving in person, don't miss it.  For
further information, e-mail to ihrgreg@kaiwan.com  Here are two more
lectures to add to the previous itinerary I sent out:

September 20th  7 P.M. New Jersey        Richard  201 697 1011
September 21st  3 P.M. New Hampshire     Ken      603 547 2208

*       Similar to Irving, a patriot in Canada has had it ". . . up to
here" and is now in the ring and swinging.  Here is his press release, in
part:

"Paul Fromm, Director of the Canadian Association for Free Expression Inc.,
has filed a libel suit naming Robert A. Richards, Chief Administrative
Officer of the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto, and the Municipality
of Metropolitan Toronto in a $700,000 libel action over a June 20 memo sent
out by Richards during a fierce debate over a proposed $8,000 grant to the
anarchist Anti-Racist Action group. The Statement of Claim for libel was
served on the defendants August 16.

'I am not a litigious person, but I am not prepared to have my reputation
trashed and my political record hideously distorted. In a 30-year career in
politics, I have been elected as a Separate School Trustee and have been
published extensively, including as author of a book on waste in Canadian
foreign aid .'

Richards' memo to Metro councillors stated: "I have been advised that some
Councillors have been receiving phonecalls, e-mail, and other
communications from members of the public concerning funding to Anti-Racist
Action as part of the 1996 Multicultural Grant Program recommendations.
Please note that some of these individuals have questionable backgrounds.
.."

What are these "questionable backgrounds", and how do they pertain to
"Holocaust Denial"?

The ARA is THE most visible and telling evidence so far to changing and
more brutalizing tactics the Enemy employs which show his crumbling front
and just what tactics he will use - namely both democratic institutions
such as the Mayor's Office of Toronto and the worst scum on earth dragged
>from  the inner cities to harass dissidents by physically attacking them and
their homes, smashing windows, throwing paint- and extrement-filled cans
into the rooms through smashed windows etc.

According to various newspapers,

*       In June 1993, ARA terrorists, their faces covered with ski masks,
attacked the home of a political opponent, smashing windows, throwing
paint, cherry bombs, human extrement and even a child's tricycle through a
broken window.

*       In January 1995, hundreds of these leftists, their faces covered
with ski masks, attacked police and their horses, pelting them with eggs,
rocks and wooden sticks.

*       ARA members, their faces covered by sky masks, have repeatedly
attacked the home of publisher Ernst Z=FCndel, again, with paint bombs,
rocks, chain links, batteries as missiles, sticks, eggs and human
excrement.

*       In December 1995, about two dozen ARA members broke into a private
meeting at the Europe Restaurant on Bloor Street, throwing milk on items on
a book table and assaulting an elderly woman.  They ignored the owner's
request to leave and only vacated the premises when police were called.

*       ARA posters advocating arson and violence and threatening death to
their opposition are visible throughout the city, plastered on newspaper
boxes, bus shelters and mailboxes.  If not already responsible for the
arson attack on Ernst Z=FCndel's premises, ARA posters have at least
definitely advocated the making and use of Molotov cocktains.

*       When Metro Police Constable Todd Baylis was murdered two summers
ago, ARA activists on their "Upper Cut" radio show on CIUT wildly applauded
his murder, clapping and cheering this "victory" over "social injustice and
oppression."  And to underscore their enthusiasm, they immediately played
the rap song "Cop Killer".

*       ARA activists have repeatedly harassed, intimidated and attacked
their perceived opponents on the transit system, often attacking lone
individuals because they were wearing the wrong color shoelaces - which
youngsters wear to advertise their "loyalty" to either Left or Right.

*       The activities of this violent neo-Marxist gang of hooligans have
been widely documented in numerous newspaper accounts in both the Toronto
Sun and the Toronto Star.  Their antics have been the subject of the lead
item featured on newscasts of every television station in the Metro Toronto
area.

That is the MEDIA-DOCUMENTED record of the ARA, the group that was recently
given several taxpayers' grants - to wit, $8,000 from the Trillium
=46oundation and $8,000 from the Metro Toronto Council.  According to an
enthusiastic speech by Dr. Karen Mock, who sang the praises of the ARA as
she endorsed their grant application in a passionate speech before Metro
Council, B'nai Brith has a "good working relationship" with this bunch of
hooligan punks.

Much more revealing yet, it was the ARA, CSIS agents say clearly on a tape
Ernst has in his possession, that torched the Zundel-Haus in May of 1995!

Can you imagine what will come out of a court case that will unravel such a
seamy story - and may expose just who was willing to pay $200 to get a
drug-besotten punk to strike the match to try to kill Ernst and some
members of his staff in the resulting fire on May 7, 1995 - fifty years to
the day that World War II came to an end?

This war has never stopped!  Only the weapons changed!

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of
executive power."

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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I meant to be truly poetic this morning and really craft something
beautiful for you, but there are several items of relative urgency needing
your input and involvement, so here I am, prosaically:

*       Over the weekend, Ernst was unceremoneously kicked off the air at
KXEL in Waterloo, Iowa, from where he had broadcast an exceedingly popular
four-times-a-week, one-half-hour program, "Another Voice of Freedom", that
covered 18 US states and 6 Canadian provinces.

Ernst had run this program for years, and his approval rating had been a
stunnung 95%, as documented by the station manager.  Frequently, this
manager had offered Ernst additional air time because "Another Voice of
Freedom" was so popular.

New owner.  New mind-set.  New orders.

The program was pulled;  Ernst was not even notified.  Calls, letters and
faxes had no effect whatsoever.  It became quickly clear what had happened;
somebody had been moved into management and had been handed a club.

This morning I found out that "Dissident Voices", another very popular
Politically Incorrect program, has been axed similarly.

Are patriots slinking away?  No, not the ones I know.

Why not call in to KXEL, ask for Mr. Morehead, swallow every harsh word
that's crowding on your tongue and let your feelings known politely?  I
know.  It isn't always easy.  But it's strategically smart to let our
opposition know that we are men and women of breeding, substance, strength
and principles and spine - and that as customers of products advertised on
radio programs we don't like it one bit when we are told what we can listen
to or not.

The phone number is 319-233-3371 and fax is 319-233-7430.

*       The Renaissance Kids, up North, who have just finished a Student
Revisionist Site they lovingly fussed over and perfected all summer, have
sent me a flurry of happy e-mail, telling me that now they have a tape of
David Irving on their website.

Their URL is http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling and if you have a sound
card, pay them a visit, download the Irving voice and tell them what you
think.

This is the tape I mentioned to you previously.  It starts a bit
"traditional" - that is, politically correct - but it's just like my
grandma said when handing me her apfelstrudel:  "Take the middle!  Take the
middle!  That's where the jam collects!"  The good stuff starts mid-tape
and really lays it on the line toward the end.  When I was finished
listening, there was a big smile on my face that lasted for quite a long
time.

*       Something incredibly exciting and ironic is happening in Germany
that has the entire world laughing at the Bonn Bozos - which is the
following:  An enormous controversy has been unleashed in Cyberspace, this
time over a Leftist magazine called Radikal 154 that had a website deemed
"offensive" by the ever-watchful plutocrats.

Now, as per threaths out of our "democratic" Germany, Radical 154 is to be
censored or barred in Holland (!) , and the Leftists don't like it one bit!


I don't know all the details yet and have just followed Holland News to
understand what it is all about, but here is what I gleaned:  It seems that
the Radical home page has overstepped its mark and dared to be politically
incorrect, and as a consequence, some 3100 websites, so it seems, have now
been blocked on "orders from above" thanks to some threats from German
prosecutures - NOT court orders, mind you!  Mere THREATS!

Remember January when something similar was happening to us on our US
website?  The Censorship Busters who rallied around us - "holding our
noses," as one of them said - had the good fortune, like it or not, to cut
their teeth on us and on the Zundelsite.  And now they are practiced, and
swinging!

Remember Garaudy and France?  Remember Britain and its Cabinet?  Now it is
Germany - and are the Bonn minions ever getting blasted, this time from
their own "useful idiots" - the very Leftists who were nursed on the fake
"freedom" of the Sixties and helped destroy our values to begin with!

Is that a twist, or what?  These are the very people, to begin with, who
unleashed smut and violence and perversion that made a sewer of our planet
- now their own freedom is at stake, being curtailed by the Dark Forces who
used them all along.  And now the merchant princes, who sowed the wind
among the gullible, will have a chance to reap the wirlwind!  That's what
it has come down to -  so-called "Humanistic Revoluton" is cannibalizing
its own children.

I am quite sure there will be more to be reported in days to come - for
now, let me just say that it is fun to watch the monsters' offspring turn
on their own intellectual parentage while screaming bloody murder.  Your
cyberspace is charged with howls of fury now that the "electronic book
burning" has begun - and lightning bolts are raining down from everywhere
on Bonn's decrepid moral cripples.

Which goes to show, yet one more time, that nature is at work.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The will of the pure runs down from them into other natures, as water runs
down from a higher into a lower vessel.  This natural force is no more to
be withstood than any other natural force."

(Emerson - again!)

______
______
______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Apparently, the cyberwar I reported on yesterday - this time aimed at a
Leftist magazine in Holland at the initiative of Germany has ended - again
thanks to the global Censorship Busters who helped the Zundelsite in
January.  It seems that, technically, it's just not possible to thwart the
information flow in cyberspace - no matter if it's coming from the Left or
>from  the Right.

The editorial below is, therefore, dated, but I am shipping it, regardless,
because it documents, once more, the carefully conciliatory stance that is
Ernst Z=FCndel's style:

". . . In interview after interview I have advocated cooperative effort by
the Left and Right in fighting censorship in Germany and Austria.

I proposed such cooperation as a matter of principle and survival for both
the Left and the Right in interviews with the German mass circulation
magazine "Der Stern," the Austrian Leftist magazine "Profil", Austrian
State Radio, the German news weekly "Der Spiegel," the mouth piece of the
ultra-Left in Germany, "Die Tageszeitung" (nicknamed TAZ) and French,
Italian and Danish TV reporters.

=46or years, I advocated this conciliatory note in all important interviews =
-
the last time only yesterday, September 10th with Germany's largest
computer magazine with a circulation of over 250,000.

All to no avail!

Now all the chickens, as they say, are coming home to roost.  Precisely as
has happened to the Zundelsite in January of this year,  this time the
Left-wing magazine "Radikal 154"s home page on a Dutch server XS4AA has
become the target of arbitrary German censorship.  3,100 other clients of
this server are affected by the German censors' move.

Similarly, the Church of Scientology is under massive attack, suffering the
same fate and persecution that many nationalist publishers and Right-wing
organizations have suffered for years in Germany - forbidden meetings,
forbidden publications, and now canceled bank accounts with various banking
institutions.  Scientologists, who call themselves a church, are now
harassed, demonized, marginalized, persecuted and prosecuted - exactly as
has happened for many years to the Right wing.

It should be noted that the Leftists and Scientologists never condemned the
harassment of the Right.  Now their turn has come.  We say in German:  "Wer
nicht hoeren will, mu=DF fuehlen."  Whoever does not want to listen, must
feel the repercussions.

Now the once-privileged and politically immune Left, much to their own
surprise, will find out for themselves just what it means to be suppressed,
forbidden, hunted, abused, barred, censored, banned, kicked out by banks,
refused services by publishers, the Post Office etc.  as is already
happening to Scientologists today and has been the fate of the Right wing
for years.

The time has come for the Left and the Right to rethink their positions.
Now is the time to forge a strong "alliance of convenience" or an "alliance
of the persecuted" and pool our resources and energies in law suits against
some of these power-drunk, anti-democratic, dictatorial German prosecutors
who fancy themselves as latter-day Torquemadas - prosecuting and
persecuting all those who dare to embarrass the crooked politicians in Bonn
and who expose the decaying social order, the corruption and hypocrisy of
the "in" elite in modern day Germany who are only interested in preserving
their power at all cost.

It is time to seek cooperation in the global fight against Dark Age
censorship and for intellectual freedom of all thinking people everywhere.
It is high time indeed to bring the ideologically beholden, power-drunk and
frequently lawless German prosecutors to heel before the Constitutional
Court in Karlsruhe and the European Human Rights Commission in Strassbourg
in Left and Right lawsuits and other initiatives.  Now is the time to set
strong precedents that bullying and silencing by prosecutorial terror at
the behest of special interest groups can no longer be done in civilized
societies behind closed courtroom doors.

I am ready to do my share to forge such an alliance and to join in some
meaningful dialogue leading to legal action against the new oppressors of
Germany - oppressors who, if they are not now checked and neutralized, will
soon be the oppressors of the world.  I am ready and willing to talk.  You
know where you can find me."

Ernst Z=FCndel.

Thought for the Day:

"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

(Galatians, V.9)



______
______
______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).
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------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Apparently, the cyberwar I reported on yesterday - this time aimed at a
Leftist magazine in Holland at the initiative of Germany has ended - again
thanks to the global Censorship Busters who helped the Zundelsite in
January.  It seems that, technically, it's just not possible to thwart the
information flow in cyberspace - no matter if it's coming from the Left or
>from  the Right.

The editorial below is, therefore, dated, but I am shipping it, regardless,
because it documents, once more, the carefully conciliatory stance that is
Ernst Z=FCndel's style:

". . . In interview after interview I have advocated cooperative effort by
the Left and Right in fighting censorship in Germany and Austria.

I proposed such cooperation as a matter of principle and survival for both
the Left and the Right in interviews with the German mass circulation
magazine "Der Stern," the Austrian Leftist magazine "Profil", Austrian
State Radio, the German news weekly "Der Spiegel," the mouth piece of the
ultra-Left in Germany, "Die Tageszeitung" (nicknamed TAZ) and French,
Italian and Danish TV reporters.

=46or years, I advocated this conciliatory note in all important interviews =
-
the last time only yesterday, September 10th with Germany's largest
computer magazine with a circulation of over 250,000.

All to no avail!

Now all the chickens, as they say, are coming home to roost.  Precisely as
has happened to the Zundelsite in January of this year,  this time the
Left-wing magazine "Radikal 154"s home page on a Dutch server XS4AA has
become the target of arbitrary German censorship.  3,100 other clients of
this server are affected by the German censors' move.

Similarly, the Church of Scientology is under massive attack, suffering the
same fate and persecution that many nationalist publishers and Right-wing
organizations have suffered for years in Germany - forbidden meetings,
forbidden publications, and now canceled bank accounts with various banking
institutions.  Scientologists, who call themselves a church, are now
harassed, demonized, marginalized, persecuted and prosecuted - exactly as
has happened for many years to the Right wing.

It should be noted that the Leftists and Scientologists never condemned the
harassment of the Right.  Now their turn has come.  We say in German:  "Wer
nicht hoeren will, mu=DF fuehlen."  Whoever does not want to listen, must
feel the repercussions.

Now the once-privileged and politically immune Left, much to their own
surprise, will find out for themselves just what it means to be suppressed,
forbidden, hunted, abused, barred, censored, banned, kicked out by banks,
refused services by publishers, the Post Office etc.  as is already
happening to Scientologists today and has been the fate of the Right wing
for years.

The time has come for the Left and the Right to rethink their positions.
Now is the time to forge a strong "alliance of convenience" or an "alliance
of the persecuted" and pool our resources and energies in law suits against
some of these power-drunk, anti-democratic, dictatorial German prosecutors
who fancy themselves as latter-day Torquemadas - prosecuting and
persecuting all those who dare to embarrass the crooked politicians in Bonn
and who expose the decaying social order, the corruption and hypocrisy of
the "in" elite in modern day Germany who are only interested in preserving
their power at all cost.

It is time to seek cooperation in the global fight against Dark Age
censorship and for intellectual freedom of all thinking people everywhere.
It is high time indeed to bring the ideologically beholden, power-drunk and
frequently lawless German prosecutors to heel before the Constitutional
Court in Karlsruhe and the European Human Rights Commission in Strassbourg
in Left and Right lawsuits and other initiatives.  Now is the time to set
strong precedents that bullying and silencing by prosecutorial terror at
the behest of special interest groups can no longer be done in civilized
societies behind closed courtroom doors.

I am ready to do my share to forge such an alliance and to join in some
meaningful dialogue leading to legal action against the new oppressors of
Germany - oppressors who, if they are not now checked and neutralized, will
soon be the oppressors of the world.  I am ready and willing to talk.  You
know where you can find me."

Ernst Z=FCndel.

Thought for the Day:

"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

(Galatians, V.9)



______
______
______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).
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------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

About a week ago I received a request to participate, and to ask Ernst to
participate, in a doctoral study by a student at the "Free" University of
Berlin.  We always try to accommodate legitimate research because it is
extremely important to involve young people in this historic ideological
movement that will shape the next century.

In the brief correspondence that ensued, it became very clear to us that,
aside from questionable tactics to get us to participate, there was a
strong and blatant undertone of derision and contempt  for our ideological
position and for the nature of our quest.  For one, this student
complimented me on my "politeness and erudition," adding that he would much
rather deal with me than with some "Neo-Nazi" - meaning Ernst.

How ignorant he is about the essence of Ernst Zundel and who the people are
who are supporting him.  Yesterday I did the monthly German letter,
"Germania Rundbrief," that goes out of the Zundel-Haus.

Here I am translating a portion of that Zundel letter, with added dibs and
dabs out of this morning's Zundel pen:

"I am sitting here, high up on the roof of my reconstructed home in
downtown Toronto, writing my German newsletter to my comrades in this
struggle for historical truth.  The English version is being copied in the
basement on our high speed copiers and then folded.  Tomorrow morning the
gremlins will come streaming in to help us stuff, seal, label and put
postage stamps on them so we can send these missives to the farthest
corners of the world.

When I look at my address list, my heart grows soft, because I know so many
of you - via fax, telephone or even personal visits.  Among you are auto
mechanics and farmers from Namibia, merchants from Johannesburg,
pharmaceutical sales people from Argentina, peasant, engineers, steel
workers and publishers from Venezuela, Brazil and Chile.  We have
pro-German Dutch folks living in Argentina and poor immigrants in Paraguay.
Mexico, Honduras, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, all of Western Europe,
Russia, Lithuania, Scandinavia, Canada and the United States are on my list
- more than 40 countries where our mail is sent to, and our website brings
us daily additional friends and contacts from the farthest corner of our
globe.

For instance, this morning our mail brought a request for information out
of Dubai (near Kuwait) from a university professor there who urgently needs
material for the topic "Holocaust".  Recently, a young Iranian drove all
the way from Maryland in the United States to Toronto, just to get my
autograph.  Visitors announce themselves on short notice - Lufthansa
pilots, an employee from IATA, the international organization that
regulates air traffic.  We have visiting professors from Denmark, Catholic
priests out of the USA, a rabbi from a Yeshiva school, even an entire
"delegation" composed of a Jewish professor, a publisher, a  film producer
out of Hollywood and a rabbi from Los Angeles."

(Note from Ingrid:  I was there when this happened.  It was hilarious!  The
film producer sat down on Ernst's wobbly chair and announced:  "I have come
here to insult you, and that's what I am going to do . . .!")

Ernst continues:

"So often I remember my mother.  If only she could have experienced what
happened to her little boy!  Who would have predicted all of this in the
disastrous postwar years when I, clad in my wooden shoes and leather pants,
sat in the classroom in the Black Forest, dreaming of the wide, far world.
Or after school, when I sat on a rock, chewing on a grass blade, listening
to my stomach growl, watching how my goats were grazing, pondering the
future.  If only Mother Zundel could have realized that her little boy, now
grown portly and balding, can reach entire continents, in a foreign
language yet, with his own radio and television shows to bring freedom to
the country of his birth and sanity to all humanity, and that his
broadcasts now strike abject fear and panic into the core of parliaments
and even governments!

Those thoughts go through my mind as I sit here, level with  the roofs of
this three-million city, feeling my fountain pen glide over the paper -
across from me the sky scrapers of the enormously wealthy but morally
impoverished Dark Forces that rule this country, Canada.

How poignant and yet strange is human fate.

Recently I received one of those long solicitation letters out of the Simon
Wiesenthal Center.  They carry on and yammer about the rapid growth of
Revisionism.  80% of their resources, so they say, are committed to
controlling the content on the Internet.

I beg your pardon?

Sometimes our enemies will let us know just how successful we have managed
to become!

These successes have been bought and paid for through decades of quiet
dedication - through sweat, fear, difficulties and sacrifices.  The loyal
support of so many of you - of thousands of simple, honest people from
every corner of the world, have financed my work to this end.  Now we are
reaping the fruits of our labors.  The struggle is reaching the zenith.
You feel it;  it is in the air.  Everywhere you look, the panic of the
enemy is palpable.

Now is the time:  Into the battle!  Let's find the liars, cheaters,
distorters and extortionists!  Let's put them to the test!  Let us
embarrass them and neutralize their poison!  An enemy exposed has been
defeated half already!

To all of you who have helped and still help by putting your check in the
envelope to be sent to Toronto:  you all deserve the credit and our
gratitude.  Not mine, but everybody's thanks!  And it's not just the living
who are on our side;  some of our friends already have departed from this
plane of existence;  some have left their last contributions in their wills
so that the fight continues.  To all of you, the living and the dead - not
my thanks but the thanks and recognition of the German people and decent
people everywhere!  I am the tool.  Without you, I could never have
accomplished what I did.  Together we are strong.

I send my greetings to all of you out of embattled Canada.

Ernst Zundel"

Thought for the Day:

"I will not hide my tastes or aversions.  If you are true, but not in the
same truths with me, cleave to your own companions;  I will seek my own.  I
do this not selfishly but humbly and truly.
It is alike your interest and mine and all men's, however long we have
dwelt in lies, to live in truth.  Does this sound harsh today?
You will soon love what is dictated by your nature as well as mine, and if
we follow the truth, it will bring us out safe at last.
But so you may give these friends pain - yes, but I cannot sell my liberty
and my power, to save their sensibility."

(Ralph Waldo Emerson, in "Essays:  Self-Reliance")



______
______
______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).
http://www.webcom.com/ina


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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Three items of interest, to be perused and pondered duly with your morning
coffee:

*       For the second time this year in its attempts to stifle the Net at
the behest of the Dark Forces, the German government has taken it on the
nose, if I may say so euphemistically.

Exactly as already happened in January of this year when website mirrors
sprung up all over the place as heavy German censorship guns moved into
cyberspace to silence the Zundelsite Tale of the Holocaust Hoax, the
Censorship Busters similarly simply started mirroring an equally besieged
website in Holland (albeit for ideologically opposite reasons) and presto!
The siege was over before it had really begun.

Here is what drifted in via the e-mail river yesterday:

"The German Internet Content Taskforce has changed its position regarding
censorship on the Net. This was published in a still secret press-release,
that can be requested - but obviously shouldn't be published yet - on the
Net. De (sic) document was discovered, by chance, by the editor of the
Daily Planet. In this document, that still has to be released officially,
the ICTF observes that censorship of the site XS4ALL is useless.

The censored Radikal pages can be found on many different places on the
Net. The ICTF recommends the German Prosecutor to only prosecute the people
that actually break the law, the user, and requests not to prosecute the
providers.

The ICTF started the censorship of XS4ALL, because they feared prosecution
by the German prosecutor.  Typical of the behavior of ICTF, a group of
large providers and publishers, is the following statement:  "WARNING: This
statement, and its appendixes may not be published on WWW-pages  or quoted
until the final version is ready."

It almost sounds like an invitation.  It shows the inexperience of ICTF
with Internet. The document is accessible to anyone that requests the
directory of their server. That's not even comparable to opening your doors
to secret meetings, but is more similar to dropping all your documents on
the streets, and tell people: "Please keep this secret!".

*       Of equal interest is this item:

Every August, a group calling itself the "Boston Coalition for Freedom of
Expression" releases an annual list of heroes and villains.  This year's
villains are Senators Feinstein and Hatch, Bob Dole and Bill Clinton, Bruce
Taylor, and Donna Rice-Hughes and, of no great surprise to us, The Simon
Wiesenthal Center.

The BCFE has placed the Wiesenthalers on their villains' list for this:

"The Simon Wiesenthal Center (SWC), for its three-pronged attack on
Internet content, seeking to censor postings and Web sites that "promote
racism. anti-Semitism, mayhem and violence."

Targeted are independent service providers, who are being pressured to
exclude customers guilty of "hate speech;" college and university
administrations, who are being pressured to drop questionable student Web
sites and monitor communications; and foreign governments, which are being
pressured to pass laws regulating speech on the Internet. The SWC's agenda
has met with particular success in Canada.

Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal himself advocated censorship in a November
1995 speech at the United Nations. The SWC believes the exposure of bigotry
and lies through refutation and rebuttal is ineffective, promoting instead
a fascistic authoritarian approach to fighting fascistic authoritarianism.
This approach is increasingly seductive to well-meaning people who ought to
know better."


*       Finally, there is one brand new book I definitely want to read.  It
sheds light on just how the US Government employs the tried and trusted
tactics of the KGB - tactics of interest to conspiracy aficionados:

"Defending 'Ivan the Terrible': The Conspiracy to Convict John Demjanjuk"
by Yoram Sheftel, Regnery Publishing, Washington, D.C. 1996 445 pages,
hardbound, $27.50 was reviewed by Katherine Notley of the Executive
Intelligence Review, an organization that has investigated and published a
lot of latter-day political and social scandals - Satanism in the United
States, the fraud web surrounding AIDS research, the New World Order
conspiracy entitled "Global 2000" and others.

Writes Notley:

"There are two major facets of this book, written by John Demjanjuk's
Israeli defense attorney: First,  and most prominent in Sheftel's book
itself, is the corruption within the Israeli justice system that led it to
conduct a show-trial with the sole purpose of convicting Demjanjuk as the
Nazi war criminal "Ivan the Terrible."

Second, but more important, is that the book reveals the depravity deep
within the U.S. Justice Department permanent bureaucracy, in which a U.S.
citizen, known to be innocent, was accused of being Ivan the Terrible,
stripped of his citizenship and extradited to Israel to stand trial, on the
only charges for which Israel invokes the death penalty: Nazi crimes of
genocide.

EIR has consistently exposed this Justice Department permanent bureaucracy,
since it was given a sort of formal existence with the creation of the
"Nazi-hunting" agency, the Office of Special Investigations (OSI), going
back to its beginnings in 1978. This outfit was established under the
patronage of Henry Kissinger in the late 1970's, as part of his
geopolitical "condominium" with the Soviet regime.

Under the arrangements between the OSI and the Soviet Procurator General's
office, evidence targeting U.S. citizens from eastern Europe as Nazi war
criminals could be accepted into U.S. courts, undisputed. The brazenness
with which the OSI collaborated with the KGB  -  as in the cases of
Tscherim Soobzokov and Karl Linnas - were beginning to tarnish its
"Nazi-hunting" image: In the former, the OSI shopped out KGB-manufactured
evidence to the New York Times, which pilloried Soobzokov, who was able to
prove his innocence in a suit against the Times.

Hence, the OSI turned to Israel, a U.S. ally, offering it a "really big
Nazi" to try, in an effort to bolster the OSI's flagging credibility: With
the usual contribution of forged documents from the Soviet KGB, the OSI
sought to have retired Cleveland auto worker John Demjanjuk denaturalized
and deported to Israel to stand trial as "Ivan the Terrible."

As I behold the ever-more revealing evidence of just how seedy and
dilapidated is the infrastructure of our opposition, a Dutch proverb comes
to mind:  "When a mouse falls into a meal sack, he thinks he is the
miller."

Let that be your Thought for the Day.

Ingrid

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______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One of the youngest kids involved in our historic struggle is a young man,
Marc Lemire, who has been lately in the news a lot in Canada because he was
the one whom the Wiesenthal people moved heaven and earth to try to run off
the Net.

The papers have referred to Marc as a "computer genius"; in recent weeks he
has been the selected target of a great deal of Net abuse, but he is
undeterred.  They destroy;  he rebuilds;  they destroy;  he rebuilds.  He
is like an ant - it's his nature.

When I met Marc, I must confess that he intimidated me half to death with
his computerese - and I am glad that he is now my friend.  We need kids
like Marc in this struggle.

I know nothing of Marc's background except that he is one of those whom our
public schools tried to obliterate by withholding both values and skills,
and that Ernst found him somewhere, picked him up and gave him an
old-fashioned dusting, and when Ernst mentioned that in passing once when I
was visiting and Marc was there as well, Marc simply looked sheepish and
nodded.

Late yesterday, Marc notified me that for this Sunday afternoon he is
planning a First:  he will broadcast live from his computer.  He mentioned
more - which was, of course, Chinese to me and always will be, I suspect.
Therefore, I e-mailed back immediately and said:  PLain English, please! -
and here is what he wrote for us computer simpletons:

"This is a first for me and the entire movement across North America, so I
wanted to see what type of response we could could get to a 'LIVE' speech
via the Internet.

It's real simple.  Paul Fromm and Ron Gostick are speaking to a group in
Toronto tommorrow.  I am going to bring down all my computer equipment, set
up mics and record it.

Every 10-30 minutes during the speech, I will be uploading the (WAV)
recorded audio of what they are saying.  We need to know if we can handle
multiple hits, in case we do the same with Ernst Zundel.

Seems pretty simple.  :)"

Easy for him to say!

As far as I know, a live broadcast has never before been done - and I liken
Marc's idea a bit to the action of Lindbergh who was the first who flew the
"Spirit of St. Louis" (?) across the ocean from America to England (?).

Here is what's planned this afternoon:

"The Alternative Forum Presents:

Ron Gostick, Founder and Director of the "Canadian League of Rights" and
Paul Fromm, Research Director of "Citizens for Foreign Aid Reform", will

SIMULTANEOUSLY BROADCAST LIVE ON THE INTERNET

_STARTS_  2:30pm Sunday, September 15, 1996

_WHERE_

The Freedom-Site:  Http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom

Click on the
graphic that says "Alternative Forum LIVE" or go directly to the webpage
at http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/af-live/index.html

All files will be in True Speech Format (WAV).

Visit the Freedom-Site beforehand to install either the plug-in for Netscape
and Microsoft Explorer or download the files, which can be played with the
Windows '95 sound recorder or True Speech Player.

Speaker:  Don Gostick

_Topics_  "The Third Option, A Constitutional Proposal for National Unity
and the 'Quebec Problem'", "Back to the Constitution", "Accountable
Government" and "Reforming our Banking System".

Founder and Director of the Canadian League of Rights, Gostick has been
active for over 50 years in the social credit and greater democracy
movement. Known to adoring followers as the "Grandfather of the Right" in
Canada, Mr. Gostick publishes both the "Canadian Intelligence Service" and
the "On Target" newsletters. The Canadian League of Rights has an estimated
ten thousand members and is one of the most influential populist parties in
Canada.

Speaker:  Paul Fromm:

_Topics_  "The Present Immigration Catastrophe": "The Politicians versus
the People", "Update on the Free Speech Front" and "How the Government
funds the enemies of Free Speech".

A Toronto educator and freelance journalist, Fromm is the research director
for Citizens for Foreign Aid Inc. Fromm's writings have appeared in the
Financial Post, the Toronto Star, Farm and Country, the Catholic Register
and the Review of the News.  Mr. Fromm publishes the "Canadian Association
for Free Expression" (C-FAR) newsletter and the "Canadian Immigration
Hotline" newsletter."

It may or may not work.  In any case, BE THERE and watch Marc either soar
or wobble across cyberspace!  Visit Marc's Freedom site at
http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe
that something inside them was superior to circumstances."

Bruce Barton








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"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

If I may pat myself on the back, here is a gem of a letter that tells me
that what we are doing bears fruit:

". . . The story begins about four years back in Sweden. A patriotic
skinhead rock band called Ultima Thule was massively attacked in the media
for being "racists".  I had been listening to their music for a few months
and did not consider them to be racists. I wasn't even a patriot back then,
let alone racially conscious at all.

Well, this massive media onslaught on a band whose songs often, if not
mostly, were oi/rock versions of old Swedish folk tunes had this effect on
me: The propaganda was simply TOO INTENSE. Some part of my mind became so
overloaded with Political Correctness propaganda that it short-circuited.

I started to THINK instead of just SWALLOWING. Of course, I have always
considered myself to be free-thinking, but it is embarrassingly obvious to
me now that back then I wasn't. I could think freely about most things, but
NOT when it came to things that are considered taboo.

Anyway, I started thinking about nationalism and all that comes with it,
and simply came to the conclusion that immigration from non-European
countries was NOT a good thing, and that basically, ethnic homogeneity is a
lot better than the media- celebrated "diversity".

The process of freeing my mind had started. The key to this was that I now
distrusted the media. But there is a big "but" here: I was STILL trying to
keep my opinions within the socially acceptable range.

I can think of a number of ways one can do this. I did it in a number of
ways, anyway, of which the most important is trying to believe in
democracy, avoid being "racist" and above all, "anti-Semitic".

"Denial" of the Holocaust was, of course, unthinkable. I dismissed the very
thought with "there are TONS of evidence, one has to be an idiot to deny
it".  I said it without having seen any evidence at all. Which is pretty
bloody much the act of an idiot.

I even tried to argue that I was not a racist because I had more in common
with a black man who was born in Sweden than with a white American. I KNEW
in my heart that this was a lie (unlike the Holocaust, which I really
believed in and which made criticism of Jews unthinkable), but still
(clung) on to the idea because I was afraid of being "racist",
"prejudiced", "hateful" and all that nonsense.

These are just labels, WORDS, and to think that I was so afraid of them! I
just can't believe that these words could hold the opinions, that I allowed
myself to even ponder, in such a firm grip.

Well, this is how it went on for over three years. The last half year or so
of this period I started to become less afraid of more "extreme" opinions.
I thought it was ridiculous how they were being persecuted.  I listened to
some of the more "extreme" music, but I did not want to be associated with
"nazis" or "racists".

Then I visited the Z=FCndelsite. Just to see who these idiots really were. I
looked. (What's this, now? Arguments? And good ones!)

I followed the link to Nizkor. Back to Z=FCndelsite. (No, come on. This can'=
t
be!) Nizkor. Z=FCndelsite. Nizkor. Z=FCndelsite.

In the end, there was no way around it. I think - no, I KNOW - that this
was one of the turning points, if not THE turning point of my life.

..and for that, I thank you with all my heart.

At present, I can think a lot more freely than before. Believe me, in the
last few months I have been doing some very deep thinking on just who I am,
where I stand in life and where to go from here.

And well, I have come to terms with the fact that I do belong among you
after all. I still disagree with some points that most people in the
Movement stand for. But that is because I have come to disagree because of
my own THINKING,  NOT because of some Politically Correct brainwashing
telling me what to think. And by now I have also realized that this
Movement is a place where you DO have the right to disagree. (Unlike some
other movements.)

Now, there must be SOMETHING to learn from a young man's awakening, don't
you think? I don't think that my story is anything like unique. I have read
of a few people who have walked down the same path and eventually ended up
with the same conclusions that I have. "I was just
pro-Swedish/British/Danish (and so on) in the beginning, but then I
realized that..." For me, the turning point can be dated to exactly
whenever it was that I found the Z=FCndelsite.

=46rom there was simply no return, just a matter of time. For a larger numbe=
r
of people it may be that they realize that what is happening in their own
neighborhoods is happening throughout their country, and finally they see
that it's happening all over the World. Once you realize that the Holocaust
is a lie, you are almost bound to realize that a lot of other things you've
been taught may be lies as well.

I don't think that the truth should ever be oppressed by any political
ambitions. But we have to make people realize just how much this lie has
affected our lives and that it is NOT the only lie we have lived. . . "

See?  That's why we say at the bottom of every single document we post with
such unashamed pride:  "We do not recruit;  we convince."


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"If it be a duty to respect other men's rights, so also it is a duty to
maintain our own."

(Herbert Spencer)



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"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).
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September 20, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Courtesy of the Holohuggers, I surmise, some good folks from the Harvard
School of Law have been alerted to my ZGrams and have asked to be put on my
list.

So as to "set up the clip" of what has happened in Toronto and, more
important, Ottawa, and what is bound to happen, as far as the
ideologically-fueled legal struggle of Ernst Zundel is concerned, I see it
as incumbent upon me, therefore, to sketch in broadest strokes what this is
all about and who the central players are - as seen from my non-legal point
of view.

In the early 1980s, the Canadian Government, in its Orwellian wisdom and in
the wake of the demise of the Cold War, created two agencies - one a
civilian spy agency with a $200-million-a-year budget of good taxpayers'
money whose function was to spy on Cold War targets and private citizens
and groups, and one as a "watch dog" committee, whose function was to
oversee the spying and make sure that it would stay within the laws and
democratic traditions of Canada.

Both agencies have bureaucratic names that ended up in acronyms.
For simplicity's sake, the first is called CSIS, pronounced "C-Sis", and
the second is called SIRC, pronounced "Sirk".   (If you must really know,
these acronyms stand for "Canadian Security Intelligence Service" and
"Security Intelligence Review Committee").

As originally conceived, "Sirk" was supposed to watch "C-Sis" and report to
the Solicitor General, who then, in turn, would ultimately report to the
Parliament of Canada what he deemed they were entitled to know.

Almost from the beginning, there were some folks in Canada, the stubbornly
politically incorrect syndicated columnist Doug Collins  being one, who
felt that this arrangement allowed for a lot of abuse and smacked of
repulsive KGB-type tactics.

As it turned out as time went on, "Sirk", the watchdog committee, more and
more seemed to function not as a watchdog but like a baby-sitter for
"C-Sis,"  protecting and excusing it, rather than controlling it and
putting brakes on its activities, should they be warranted.

Some people's suspicions were strengthened when it appeared that "C-Sis"
and "Sirk" were definitely in bed together in the dark and covered for each
other - as in the shocking "Heritage Front Affair", of which more shall be
said below.

Worse yet, there were suspicious folks in Canada who thought these agencies
were set up for the explicit purpose of serving forces - colloquially known
as the Canadian "Shadow Government" - whose interests lay outside the
elected public officials and parliamentary terrain.

The itch to find out what this was really all about became almost
unbearable in Canada when rumors started swirling that the "Heritage
Front", a Right-Wing organization, was in fact led by a "C-Sis" agent
provocateur who had been slipped to them by "C-Sis" to egg this Right-Wing
Agency into some pretty serious illegal stuff.

Not only that, the rumors strengthened more and more that "C-Sis" seemed to
have planned all this beforehand and had helped CREATE, FINANCE AND
MASTERMIND this grass roots organization, the "Heritage Front," for the
explicit purpose of doing things illegally - in other words,  discrediting
the Right Wing.

Now the "Heritage Front" in Canada was, and is, not everybody's cup of tea.
It is composed largely of disaffected white youth, some clean-cut and some
scruffy, who strenuously object to having to take second place to what is
collectively known as Minorities.  These kids are angry, jobless,
futureless, and easily inflamed.

While the "Heritage Front", under the partial leadership of this "C-Sis"
agent provocateur, was building its membership and visibility, there were
some ugly clashes with an antagonizing group called ARA, a hoodlum
"Anti-Racist" Group.  These two groups called each other dirty names and
did some things - both sides! - that did not make their parents proud.

As it was subsequently discovered and documented, the "C-Sis" agent
provocateur, who acted as the Heritage Front's" Security Chief, kept
happily stoking the flames by goading, teasing and egging the ARA on by
revealing where the "Heritage Front" would meet etc.  Some confrontations
resulted, as expected, that had some racial overtones.

Ernst Zundel was one of the first who expressed serious doubts about just
who was running whom.  I remember an audio tape he made on that very topic
a couple of years ago.

He felt that it served the hidden agenda of certain members of the Shadow
Government to have these ideological clashes occur in full view of the
lapdog media, who then obliged the Shadow Government with the expected
chants of "Racists!" "Neo-Nazis!" "Hate-mongering!" etc. etc.

Well, other people felt the same - some in the media and some in the
parliamentary opposition felt the same.  They asked that legislators look
into this matter.  A parliamentary committee of inquiry, composed of
government and opposition representatives, was the result.  This
Subcommittee asked both "C-Sis" and "Sirk" to tell what they were doing.

It turned out that what they were doing was this:

Not only did the agent provocateur help set up, finance, guide and goad the
white kids of the Heritage Front to confront members of the ARA - which in
itself was bad enough! - while he was at it, he tried to compromise in the
public view and in the press a legitimate Canadian political party, called
the Reform Party, by using the kids of the "Heritage Front" for a "security
arrangement" to Preston Manning, the leader of the Reform Party.

Can you imagine the political howl:  "Oh, my God! Preston Manning is using
skinheads from the 'Heritage Front' as bodyguards?!"  It seriously hurt the
Reform Party who lost becoming the official Canadian Opposition Party by a
very narrow margin.

In summary, it was a seamy story, and Parliament asked for a Report.  Let's
call this document the "Sirk-Report."  You find it on the Zundelsite.

Now how does Ernst Zundel fit into all this?

Very simple:  He is, to use Doug Collins' apt descriptions, Canada's
Villain # 1, for he insists on asking, and has for thirty years:  "Did Six
Million Really Die?"  This is a no-no question among the Thoroughly
Politically Correct, as everybody knows.

Ernst Zundel is an enormous thorn in the side of what many think is now the
extra-parliamentary government, the so-called "Shadow Government", of
Canada.  He is a most convenient villain.  His name was mentioned some two
dozen times in the "Heritage Front Affair Report" as having been the
ideological Godfather for the kids of the "Heritage Front".

That is giving Ernst Zundel much too much credit.  He never was a member of
the "Heritage Front".  He had nothing to do with the forming or running of
this organization.  He had no position of leadership.  In fact, he thought,
and said so on many occasions, that the "Heritage Front" agenda was not the
answer to Canada's problems.

It is true, however, that quite a few of the "Heritage Front" kids looked
up to him for moral guidance and ideological support because he is so
visible and so well known to be the man who, all his life, has locked horns
with those dark forces lurking in the shadows.  He is known as a stubborn
fellow.  He just digs in his Swabian heels.

That is how come the Zundel name became interwoven into the report to
Parliament that's called the "Heritage Front Affair Report."

Specifically, the "C-Sis" agent provocateur (and Heritage Front Co-Founder,
courtesy of "C-Sis") had claimed in this report that Zundel had asked him
to compile a list of Jewish members of the community because he planned to
harm them.  (Ernst Zundel did, in fact, ask for a list in a planned legal
action because he wanted to serve subpoenas to some leading members of the
Jewish community to stop the harassment of him by Jewish groups in Canada.)

Now here's the added angle, extremely interesting from a legal point of
view:  This very report, written by "C-Sis" with the help of their agent
provocateur,  was to be used as the hatchet to get Ernst Zundel deported to
Germany by doing the marginalizing groundwork, then criminalizing him, and
finally declaring him a "security risk to Canada" - and why?  Because he
insisted on asking, as he had done for close to thirty years:  "Did Six
Million Really?"

You cannot ask that kind of question in Canada without some very serious
repercussions.

"Sirk Hearings" were set up in Ottawa that would haul Zundel before the
powers that be and would do him in -  once and for all.  "C-Sis" had
already, in a letter to the Minister of Immigration, declared Zundel a
"security risk to Canada" and now hoped to have that designation
rubber-stamped by putting on a show in a farcical Kangaroo Court.

All this was happening in March and April of this year.  And it is not
coincidence, of course, that there are very few Canadians who can be found
to stand next to Ernst Zundel in broad daylight.

For years, he has been thoroughly harassed, and Zundel-bashing by the
organized Jewish community, parliamentarians and media people has become a
real spectator sport in Canada .  For years, the lapdog media has been
engaged in non-stop smears, while he was under strict judge-imposed gag
orders and could not defend himself by publicly going after his character
assassins.

Therefore, some people might have objected to "C-Sis" and "Sirk" per se and
all the murky shadows behind them, but there was virtual unanimity at the
beginning of this year that Zundel needed to be shipped to Germany in
handcuffs for asking politically incorrect questions - to wit:  "Did Six
Million Really Die?"

Enter a judge who cast an old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon glance at all of this
and said:  "No, you can't do this, fellows!  At least not yet you can't!
That isn't democratic.  It's called apprehension of bias.  The only way you
can get rid of Zundel might be 'creative legislative action.'"

To the extreme distress of many, many lurking in the shadows, the "Sirk
Hearings" were stopped cold in its tracks in the very hot, muggy month of
June of this year.

The shadows have appealed.  A new round is expected soon.

That's where we are right now.  If you are legally inclined and want to
look at details, go to http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ and click on
the "Zundel Persecution" link.

As you can tell, this was not written by a student of the legal system, but
it is meant to be the teaser for those bright lawyers of tomorrow not yet
beholden to a dogma that stifles every question on the Holocaust.  This is
the backdrop for young people studying what is involved in freedom of
expression who want to really understand and take a stand on what is going
on.

A lot of the pertinent documents have been already posted on the
Zundelsite.  No doubt there's more to come.

Please visit.  We are not afraid.

Ernst Zundel is on record saying that if he should be proven wrong about
the so-called "Holocaust", he will spend his last days and hours on earth
as well as his last dime apologizing to the Jewish community and then
retire peacefully.  He is known as a man of his word.

As long as he is not yet proven wrong, and as long as even limited freedom
of speech reigns in Canada - if not in lapdog media circles, at least still
on the Internet - the Zundelsite will ask:  "Did Six Million Really Die?"

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Yet the deepest truths are best read between the lines, and, for the most
part, refuse to be written."

(Amos Bronson Alcott)



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September 21, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

This is a follow-up on yesterday.  It is a somewhat dated column, but it is
so good I can't bear to file it away without sharing it first with both
friend and foe.  It serves as a refresher course for what is yet to come.
It is an Authentic Doug Collins, he of the North Shore News.  (July 1,
1996)

Doug wrote this prior to the SIRC demise when Judge Heald ruled that Ernst
had a right to be judged in an unbiased setting whether or not he was a ".
. . danger to the security of Canada," as the Shadows would have you
believe.

Here's what Doug had to say:

"WE often flatter ourselves that government conspiracies common to the
American legal and political systems do not apply in the True North. That
may have been the case once.  No longer.

We have only to look at the never-ending actions against Ernst Zundel, who
of course is a fully registered villain - a "neo-Nazi" and admirer of
Hitler.

He may be.  But that doesn't impress me. There is no lack of Stalin-lovers
and neo-Bolsheviks in this country, some of whom find government
employment, while others send bombs to people. But there is no big campaign
against them.

Zundel sends only word bombs. Hauled before the courts for years on
thought-crime charges, he has never finally been found guilty.

In short, he is not a criminal. But Ottawa wants to deport him.

Real criminals are often allowed to remain, however.

When Gerry Weiner was minister of immigration he let Abraham Finkel stay.
Finkel had been convicted of serious crimes in several countries, and two
previous ministers had denied him immigrant status. But he got to stay.

What is Zundel's offence? "Holocaust denial" and "anti-Zionism."

The Canadian Jewish Congress sees him as Public Enemy Number One and a hate
merchant. But he has never been in court on hate charges.

Only last March, Charles Harnick, the attorney general of Ontario (who is
Jewish) had to drop such charges against him for lack of evidence.

A new tack had to be tried and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service
(CSIS) obliged, claiming he was a danger to Canadian security, and he was
hauled before the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC).

It is a process in which all the dice are loaded against the target. The
hearings are held behind closed doors, no media are present, and there is
no cross-examination of witnesses.

It is a secret police action aimed in this case at getting Zundel out of
the country.

(He arrived in Canada in 1958 and has twice been denied citizenship even
though government sources have admitted that his applications were
"flawless.")

The first witness against him at the security hearing was Bernie Farber of
the Jewish Congress.

The official reason for claiming Zundel is a danger to security is that he
"may" have associated with members of the racist Heritage Front, which is
said to be violent, although as far as I have been able to determine its
violence has been confined to defending itself against attack by leftists.


But here's the trump. The chief organizer for the Heritage Front was Grant
Bristow, who turned out to be a government agent provocateur who had been
paid a lot of money by CSIS. They set something up, you see, and then they
tear it down.

One is reminded of Tsarist days in Russia and of the many members of the
U.S. Communist Party who were FBI men. Had it not been for them the party
might have collapsed.

Whatever the Heritage Front may be, there is no law preventing anyone from
associating with anyone else, unless they are conspiring to commit a crime.
Which has to be proved in court, not at some secret hearing.

The claim that Zundel is a danger to Canadian security is a joke.

In 1984 his house was bombed. In 1995 it was destroyed by an arsonist. In
the same year he got a parcel bomb that would have killed him if he had
opened it.

In 1988, at his second "false news" trial, he was attacked by three Jews on
the steps of the Toronto courthouse.

The incident was shown on TV and they were charged, but the court gave them
"the benefit of the doubt."

One wonders whether that verdict would have applied if Zundel's people had
been roughing up Jews on the courthouse steps.

His pursuers have now run into a snag.

Lawyer Doug Christie went to court recently to get a declaration that the
security hearings should not take place on account of CSIS being biased in
the case.

To the rage of many, the judge adjourned the case "sine die," meaning
indefinitely.

So CSIS cannot proceed, and Zundel will be around for a while yet. . . ."

The only thing I'd have to add to the above is that it was CIRC, not CSIS,
that was involved in the hearings.  That's why, in yesterday's ZGram, I
nicknamed them "C-Sis" and "Sirk."  When you are dealing with twins, even
ideological twins, it isn't always easy to tell just who is who.

I wanted you to read this because, as I said yesterday, the Government of
Canada has filed for an Appeal.  The Zundel Saga will go on, most likely in
October.  I ought to know, I spent the last week losing all my fingertips
>from  typing documents to be put up for media worthy of its name to expose
the Crooked and Corrupt by their own words and actions, and let the rest of
us reflect on how our world is doctored.

I think that it is no exaggeration to say that never has the Government of
Canada had such a hoary time in getting rid of just one man who counts on
facts of science as being stubborn things and KNOWS that truth can be a
diamond that scratches every other stone.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The shame is not in having once been fooled, but in not cutting the folly
short."

(Horace)



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September 19, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

The power of the Net is amazing!

You may remember that I mentioned in a previous ZGram that Ernst has a
videotape in his possession where agents of the Canadian KGB-type civilian
spy agency, CSIS, brag that they are the "political police" and acknowledge
that this agency bloody well KNEW that the ARA, the neo-Marxist hoodlum
group the enemy is using to harass inconvenient patriots, has set the fire
of May 7th of last year that practically burned down the Z=FCndel-Haus, did
more than $400,000 damage, and could have killed several people.

Ernst  tried to interest the media, but it was not until we posted this
potentially explosive item on the Net that there was serious interest.

*       Now Val Meredith, Member of Parliament for the Reform Party of
Canada, wants to look at the CSIS tape.  CTV and The Fifth Estate, two
popular nationwide investigative television programs, have also requested
the tape.  I understand that there will be an article in the Toronto Sun.
Writes one of our Canadian correspondents:

"I think there are several factors at work here:  the liberals are afraid
of the ARA being this loose cannon on the deck of political correctness;
the media are into a very competitive mode and "must run" with sensational
stories; the conservatives want to defang some of the liberal elites that
run our Establishment by exposing the SIRC and CSIS spy capers. It looks
good from where I'm sitting . . . "

It looks good from where I'm sitting, too!

I spent all of last week typing my fingertips raw on the entire
Parliamentary Report of the CSIS shenanigans, which I also posted in a
slightly abbreviated form.

What a document!  What a government!

You have to have lived in a Communist environment, as some of us have, to
realize how far this once-beautiful and free country, Canada, has slid
toward old-fashioned Bolshevism, repackaged and re-sold.

*       From France we hear that more than half of the French population
agree with Le Pen, a populist leader who has been an outspoken proponent of
Nationalism.  To quote one correspondent observing the French scene  from
England:

". . . A shock survey by the left-wing newspaper Liberation has shown that
51% of the French share the views of Jean-Marie Le Pen's Front National.
Since the survey was conducted by those who can hardly be said to share the
opinions of the right, even more weight is given to the result.

The fact of the matter is that the entire media and governments, in all
Western countries, espouse opinions held by only a tiny minority of their
own people . . .

Jacques Toubon, France's Justice Minister, has threatened legal action
against Le Pen for "espousing racial inequality."  In France, "inciting
racial hatred" is punishable by up to a year in prison, fines up to $60,000
and five years' ineligibility for public office.

So far, M. Le Pen has defied the Government's threats. 'I don't see why
saying one does not believe in racial equality is a violation of human
dignity. I will not be intimidated by the threats of the 'thought police.'

The French Government's motive is pitifully obvious. M. Le Pen's party is
increasingly popular, and now a rival to the present government. In the
time-honoured manner of regimes which are losing support, opponents must be
criminalised, but any attempt to do so only exposes the moral bankruptcy of
the regime . . . "

*       And speaking of England, this item is a bit dated but still of
interest because it illustrates, quite literally, the enemy's "Scorched
Earth" tactics you can see everywhere these days.  It is entitled:  "Blaze
hits extremist publishers" and goes on to say that a publishing company
producing "anti-Semitic literature" was badly damaged in an arson attack.

The publishing house so targeted is Wilson Publishing and Historical Review
Press, in Uckfield, East Sussex, ". . . known for printing books and
pamphlets by revisionist historians which provide intellectual fuel for the
neo-Nazi movement and which claim that the Holocaust never happened."

*       Pertaining to our own, Zundelsite-circumscribed struggle, there has
been a most interesting development I may have mentioned previously. I
haven't yet had time to mine it to the fullest.  It pertains to the Harvard
Law Library's web page entitled "Guide to Hate Groups on the Internet"
(http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/guides/hateweb/hate.html) which lists
the Zundelsite under "Revisionists" (where we belong!) and not under "White
Power," "Skin Heads" or 'Neo-Nazis."

Some of these latter pages, to be sure, are really an embarrassment and
show the largely undisciplined and raucous nature of what is shaping up.
More and ever more, the Net makes clear that the entire world is in the
throes of the "Weimar Republic" where you have intellectual nihilism, chaos
in the financial world, hoodlums being used by shadow governments who are
rapidly losing credibility to harass, torment, browbeat and intimidate -
and very clear delineation of just who is running the show.

This Harvard web page is a perfect example - kind of a mini-cosmos
reflecting global reality.  In the sub-category "Monitoring Hate", you
find, for instance, the Anti-Defamation League, The Anti-Fascist Web, the
ARA, (that's right!  the ARA!) and several other less-well known
holohuggers, along with the almighty Simon Wiesenthal Center - who should
change name and  stationary, by the way, since the World Jewish Congress
has now exposed their Austrian icon to be a liar and a fraud.

More and more, it gets to be an exercise in discipline just what items to
choose for my ZGrams and just how to find the right tone.  I want this
daily service to reflect the nature of the emerging struggle, because I am
quite sure that we are living now in times that are as fermenting and
"storm and stress" as any yet experienced.  The European trial run in the
1920s in Germany gave us a taste of what can happen when you have an entire
people, forced into battering humiliation, unscrupulous financial ruin,
extreme ethnic distress and unrelenting intellectual torpor, roused into
action and redress - and renaissance.  This time around, the repercussions
will be planet-wide.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The last bulwark against the threat of mounting information and inquiring
minds is the scare.

In 1850, the scare was "Abolitionist!"  In 1896, "Socialist!"  Today, it is
"Racist!"

But behind the scare, because it is a scare, lies the problem each
establishment dare(s) not touch."

(Robert W. Whitacker, in "A Plague on Both Your Houses.")





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______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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September 22, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

I am sometimes asked why I don't write more original ZGrams instead of
quoting other people, and the reasons for that are, quite simply that a) it
takes hours to write a thoughtful and compact original, time I don't always
have, and 2) there is no need to re-invent the wheel.

The task at hand is not to build a literary reputation - which I believe I
have already done to the extent I could, given the limitations of my
background, with one book yet to come which will be my finale for this
lifetime - but to translate, as sharply and as economically as possible,
what we are all about - ". . . what THIS is all about."

What IS our struggle all about?

Largely, I know, to warn of the alternatives, if we don't struggle hard and
give it our all.  There is no choice.  Unless the world wakes up and
realizes that the war most people think was finished off in 1945 is now at
our doorsteps and lusting for our children's blood, there will be
devastating  consequences for our way of life - this of a magnitude no
words are adequate to forecast.

It is naive to think the war against all Aryans of whatever country has
stopped.  The war against Western Civilization has never stopped.  It
hasn't even stopped on paper.  What used to be called "Communism" has
simply been repackaged - and unless people realize was Communism was, and
is, there will be a monstrous repeat of what it brought about.

It is eery to read what knowledgeable people warned about before America
decided foolishly the "enemy" was Hitler Germany.  The country was  misled
- but nonetheless!  The warning signs were there.  Igor Sikorsky, for
instance, writing in the early 1940s and pleading for America not to make
common cause with Communism against the only country trying to defeat the
moloch, said:

"It must be realized that the terrible cruelties and violence of the Soviet
Government are not connected with lack of education, illiteracy or poverty.
. . The unspeakable mental and physical tortures and murders were
introduced, not by the uneducated or underprivileged, but by the fanatical,
atheistic intellectuals and by the half-educated Marxist revolutionaries of
which a very large number, including most of the leaders, spent much time
outside of Russia."

He might as well have said "the banksters."  He might as well have said
"New York."

This pioneering genius in aeronautics, born in Kiev, educated in the
Ukraine, wrote passionately and accurately of the coming New World Order in
"The Nature and Objectives of the Soviet Communist Government," a part of
which is quoted in the September issue of the Barnes Review.

Paraphrasing a Dostoevsky theme in "The Dispossessed", Sigorsky wrote:

"All of mankind must be divided into two unequal groups - the small group
of about one-tenth of the total must be given all rights, liberty and
unbounded power over the remaining nine-tenths of mankind.  This latter
group must be deprived of all rights and liberty, must give up all
individuality and become reduced to a state similar to that of a herd of
animals.

By gradual transformation, this larger group of mankind, through boundless
submission, would be reduced to the mentality of children and would live in
a sort of primeval childish paradise.  However, they would be compelled to
work.

As a method of putting the plan into operation, the author suggests the
destruction of morality, the abolition of home and family, the selective
extermination of any person of higher ability, or talent and so forth.
..
The thirst for culture is an aristocratic thirst.  The moment you have
family ties or lives, you get the desire for property.  We'll destroy that
desire;  we'll make use of drunkenness, slander, spying;  we'll make use of
incredible corruption;  we'll stifle every genius in its infancy. . . "

Sounds familiar?  Just watch the daytime "Trash Family Life" TV shows where
every perversion possible is paraded as "normal" and buckets of filth are
poured non-stop into the minds of people in the Western world, most of whom
do not even have a memory of clean homes and safe streets.  That's
systematic, well-conceived and implemented hatred.  I often think it is a
kind of hatred against what Western man has built, perfected, loved and
cherished over millennia that CAN't be of this world.

Sigorsky must have felt it, as we can glimpse in the passages below:

"It must be borne in mind that the most intense hatred of the Communists is
directed . . . against religion in general and particularly against the
fundamental principles of Christianity.
..
It must be understood and realized that in the Communist dictatorship,
after two decades of existence, mass murder and torture are still the
normal methods of administration applied calmly as routine procedures by
the ruling class of Marxist communists, who are neither poor nor
illiterate, but are godless, immoral and inhuman."

He then goes on to quote from some of the articles out of the Soviet penal
codes:

"The giving of religious education to children shall entail one year of
forced labor."  There is a law that makes attempts to escape from Russia
punishable by death.  In the Spring of 1935, the Soviet government issued a
decree which made the death penalty for theft applicable to children above
the age of 12.  This law is extensively used in cases of stealing food from
government supplies, but it is also applicable to the case when a peasant
conceals some of his own grain to feed his children.
..
The following few facts and figures may serve as a summary of the acts and
accomplishments of the Soviet Communist government.  During less than 25
years, it destroyed between 25 and 40 million human lives.  It holds
several million men in concentration camps under conditions of unspeakable
mental and physical suffering.
..
By mangling and crushing human families, the Soviet Communist government is
permanently throwing on the streets multitudes of children who become
homeless.
..
The Communist dictatorship murdered at least ten times more men and
hundreds of times more defenseless women and children than all other
European dictatorships taken together.  No far-minded intelligent person,
and particularly no Christian, has the moral right to disregard these
facts.

The direct participation in the present war would make the United States
automatically an ally of the Soviet Communist government . . .
(I)f we willingly and by our own choice join ranks with the godless
Communist murderers and help them by direct moral encouragement and
material assistance, or by coordinated pressure on other fronts, then we
will become the associates or, more correctly, the accomplices in acts that
can be foreseen and predicted with accuracy on the basis of their ideology
and performance . . . "

Well, as we all know with hindsight, the Western world was willing.  It
linked arms with a gangster regime.

And what that meant can now be heard in the ever-increasing Nationalist
voices such as, for instance, that of the popular French Nationalist Le Pen
who, commenting on a recent Chirac visit to Auschwitz to pay obligatory
homage to the ruling temporal cult of our times, said this:

"It is very well that Mr. Chirac went to Auschwitz, but I would have
suggested to him to go a bit further.

In the course of his trip, he could have passed through Katyn, where the
Soviets killed 24,000 Polish officers with a bullet in the nape, then carry
on to the Russian gulags and, even further, as far as the Chinese communist
gulags, which made respectively 30 million and 100 million dead. . . "

In France, it seems, the danger of the "New World Order" threat is now
perceived with clarity - both as to origin and as to consequences.
Somewhere I read that Le Pen's Nationalist sentiments are now endorsed, at
least informally as shown by polls, by 51% of the French populace.  Wish I
could say that of America.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The death of an individual is a tragedy.  The death of a million is a
statistic."

(Joseph Stalin)




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September 23, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

As I mentioned yesterday, in preparation of Ernst's newest battle with the
Canadian Shadows who are trying to deport him in the worst way possible to
get him to stop asking "Did Six Million Really Die?", I finished posting
documents pertaining to the Heritage Front, a "white supremacist"
organization composed of mostly disaffected youths.  The Shadows, as you
will remember, tried to link him to that group by mere proximity, although
he never was a member.  It is a complex story straight out of Kafka-Land.

In working with these documents, I have been sensitized to this particular,
derogatory smear used with the broadest brush on all of us wherever there's
a need to genuflect.  Hence, I was glad to find the following, a sort of
mission statement for a magazine addressing OUR needs and where we're
coming from I recommend to you.

It is called "American Renaissance" (http://www.amren.com/) and comes out
of Kentucky.  Its content is superb.

Here is a sampling of the style:

"Ordinarily, there is no need to explain what a publication does not stand
for. However, American Renaissance has been called "white supremacist" so
many times, it may be useful to point out how absurd such accusations are.

 First of all, "white supremacist" is probably the most pejorative,
emotion-laden racial term that can be used against a white person. It is
not a description of a way of thinking--for it is almost never defined--but
is instead a curse word. It is not used as part of an argument, but as an
attempt to portray someone as morally inferior. Its purpose is to insult,
intimidate, and discredit.

 It is like the word "nigger"--a powerful, ill-defined racial pejorative.
Calling someone a nigger is not an argument or a rebuttal. Calling someone
a "white supremacist" is no different. Liberals who would never dream of
calling someone a nigger are perfectly happy to use the same kind of lurid
racial pejorative so long as their targets are white.

 Taken literally, the term "white supremacy" is presumably the belief that
the white race is supreme--that it should dominate, rule or exploit other
races. There is nothing whatsoever in American Renaissance to promote this
view. To call AR, its writers, or readers "white supremacist" in this sense
is so obviously inaccurate it is simply stupid.

 What if "white supremacy" is defined somewhat more mildly, as a belief in
the "superiority" of whites compared to other races. AR's position has
consistently been that the races are different in ways that are reflected
in the societies they produce, and these differences are a legitimate and
necessary subject of study. Some of these differences are impossible to
compare. There is no scale on which they can all be ranked so as to draw
across-the-board conclusions about racial "superiority" or "inferiority."
AR therefore draws no such conclusions.

 It is certainly true that in some important traits--intelligence,
law-abidingness, sexual restraint, academic performance, resistance to
disease--whites can be considered "superior" to blacks. At the same time,
in exactly these same traits, North Asians appear to be "superior" to
whites. Is someone who believes that there are probably genetic reasons for
this a "yellow supremacist"?

 Why do critics persist in calling AR "white supremacist" despite the
absurdity of the charge? Probably it is because AR expresses an
unapologetic preference for the culture and way of life characteristic of
whites. It also expresses the belief that only the biological heirs to the
creators of European civilization will carry that civilization forward in a
meaningful way.

 Few whites now take these positions publicly, but AR's preferences and
beliefs are equivalent to those expressed by spokesmen for other races.
Blacks take pride in their way of life and do not believe that people of
other races can reproduce it authentically. Hispanics and Asians believe
the same things about themselves. They are not called "supremacists" or
denounced as moral inferiors.

 A preference for one's own race and culture, along with the desire to see
them survive and flourish, does not imply ill will towards others. Men love
their race and culture for the same reason they love their own children:
because they are their own, not because they are objectively superior to
all others. Just as love for one's own children is a positive thing, which
implies no hostility towards the children of others, love of race is
positive.

 Those who accuse AR of "white supremacy" are simply reflecting the
anti-white bias of our age: What is permitted and even encouraged among
non-whites is forbidden to whites. A healthy and natural preference for
one's own people, which was taken for granted by virtually all whites until
50 or 60 years ago, is today denounced as "white supremacy," while all
other races are encouraged to express the same natural preferences.

 This double standard, if it remains unchanged, will have dire
consequences. No group can survive unless its members are loyal to it and
put its interests first. Those who denounce such loyalty--only when it is
expressed by whites--as some form of wicked "supremacy" and try to stamp it
out are working, consciously or not, for the ultimate destruction of the
white race and its culture."

(Written by Jared Taylor, Editor of American Renaissance.  The above was
posted with permission.)

Thought for the Day:

"I know exactly how I could make myself neurotic:  If I said or believed
something that is not myself."

(Carl Jung)



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September 24, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Recently, in an exchange with a friend, I hit upon the term  "Catacomb
Media" as opposed to "Lapdog Media" which I am proud to claim as having
coined.

Catacomb Media runs in three tracks - the one within regular media,
slipping you snippets of half-hearted spunk while still maintaining a
facade of meek docility, and then the other kind that either states the
obvious and takes things on the chin, or else arrives in unmarked
envelopes.

Not much need be said of the first.  They know who they are, and it's time
to stand up and be counted.  What are they - men or mice?

The second kind, the autonomous catacomb media, gets better and better and
better.  It's  growing, leaps and bounds.  It is amazingly high-brow,
defiant and courageous.  Some coming out of Germany is stunning.  I read a
treatise recently on what has been done to cripple the Aryan mind that is
as razor-sharp with words expressing crystal thoughts as you could ever
ask.

Wish I could say that of the third.  I read it during breaks, because I
need to understand what's going on to gear my words accordingly, but never
without a strong feeling of shame and sometimes even fear.  It is not good
for feelings to be driven underground if feelings are legitimate and
strong.  There is more to be feared, said Cicero two thousand years ago,
>from  unspoken and concealed, than from open and declared, hostility.  And
that hostility is growing against the Masters of Mendacity, and everywhere
you look, it shows.

But what is heartening is this:  more and more people in power and position
are coming out in favor of outspokenness, and plain folks notice that.

*       "I am of Norwegian ancestry," writes a new reader from Australia,
"and also some North-Eastern German extraction. My German family came from
a German province that the victorious WW2 allies thought fit to give to
Poland.

The descendants of the builders of Western Civilization are now scattered
far and wide around the world. Whatever nation they appear in now they are
still all linked by a shared common tie , the tie of biological
inheritance.

I have a very strong love of family and history.  I appreciate I am the
next link in the chain of my ancestors, and therefore have a great
responsibility to preserve and pass on the gift they gave to me.

With love and positive feelings we care for and protect the future of our
offspring, and in the broader scheme of things we care for the future and
the preservation of the culture and institutions that our ancestors
created. This is noble and decent.

I have these feelings out of love and respect and not any feelings of hate
or superiority.  It would be a sin to lose the treasure we have inherited.
Our culture and blood is the greatest gift we have.

The needs of our people are very strong- love of family, love of the
greater community, altruism.  We have an instinctive urge to care and
nurture our offspring.  We have a strong biological urge to be with those
of our own race. We are linked closely by genes and the same evolutionary
struggle of the past.

It was fantastic to see our new Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard,
stand up and state publicly that Political Correctness is dead. He went on
to state that . . . censorship of criticizing minority groups has been
lifted and discarded. I was so happy. The pendulum of society can and does
swing back."

*       "The fact of the matter is," writes one of my Canadian readers,
"that the entire media and governments, in all Western countries, espouse
opinions held by only a tiny minority of their own people.

As mentioned previously, a shock survey by the left-wing newspaper
Liberation has shown that 51% of the French share the views of Jean-Marie
Le Pen's Front National. Since the survey was conducted by those who can
hardly be said to share the opinions of the right, even more weight is
given to the result."

*       On the British National Party's web page, you find the following:

"Jacques Toubon, France's Justice Minister, has threatened legal action
against Front National leader Jean-Marie Le Pen for "espousing racial
inequality."

M. Le Pen has defied the Government's threats. "I don't see why saying one
does not believe in racial equality is a violation of human dignity. I will
not be intimidated by the threats of the 'thought police.'"

*       "We do not dispute the horrors," says Rudolf Augstein, publisher of
Der Spiegel in Germany, speaking of the growing mood of defiance in
Germany, in an interview with the Chicago Tribune, "We never have.  But we
do dispute the claim that pre-Hitler Germany was hell-bent on exterminating
the Jews.  We found the assertion at best ignorant if not downright
malicious."

*       Kurt Waldheim, the former Austrian president, speaking of
"collective guilt," in an exclusive interview with the Spotlight, (Sep 23,
96) said this:

"Can one make a whole nation responsible?  This is the question.  If you
don't have evidence, you can't assume someone is guilty."

And, commenting on the Israeli lobby wielding enormous influence on the
American media and in government, he added:

"The lobby is so strong, it is difficult to overcome . . . The media in
your country is dominated by a certain faction.  They are stronger than I
am.  This is a fact.  Others are afraid of this lobby.  If someone speaks
out, they suffer all kinds of negative reaction.  I have a number of
letters from people who complain about pressure exerted on them when they
tried to put out the truth."

You know what Americans say in one of my favorite proverbs:  "If you want
to clear the stream, get the hog out of the spring."

Let that be your Thought for the Day.

Ingrid






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______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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September 25, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

This is the second part of a letter I received a couple of weeks ago from
this young chap in Sweden who discovered the Zundelsite and was amazed at
what he found.  In this part, he brings up a salient point regarding the
ever-changing story of the Holocaust - the substance of which one reader
has aptly described as ". . . nailing Jell-o to a wall":

". . . What if the truth did get out, after all, and the establishment
media and governments simply shrugged their shoulders, said '. . . well, we
were wrong.  So what?' and then went on with business as usual?

I can very easily imagine such a scenario.  The scenario could look
something like this:

First of all, as soon as Holocaust revisionism gains some popularity in
wider academic circles, some 'anti-nazi' people are bound to start
questioning the matter. (Some already are, but they're in minority.)

These people very easily become the favorites of the media once it becomes
popular enough for ordinary people to notice. Eventually, scientific
magazines start publishing articles reading 'Hilberg revises Holocaust' or
something like that.

The whole thing is more or less thoroughly gone through in the main
newspapers, but it doesn't make any big headlines. The truth has finally
but quietly come through, and the whole thing is eventually swept under the
carpet.

Where we would have liked the headlines to read 'THE HOLOCAUST WAS A HOAX!
Exclusive Interview With David Irving and Ernst Zundel Describing Their
Fight For Truth Under The Tyranny Of Alien Interests. See pages 3 - 26. . .
'  (you) read 'The Holocaust Revised. Exclusive Interview With Raoul
Hilberg, Describing His Life As A Dedicated Holocaust Researcher. See page
25-26.'  (caps added here for emphasis)

What I want to know is, have you thought out how to make maximum impact
once the truth starts getting accepted?  The establishment might very
possibly be able to continue to fool (people) even if the truth about the
Holocaust does get out.

Even if you realize that someone is a liar, you may still believe certain
things he says. . . "

Well, that has happened all along.  Remember the Auschwitz plaque revision
of 4 Million dead to 1.5 Million dead and still shrinking - at last count,
74,000, according to the Soviet Death Books that Gorbachev released after a
world-wide write-in campaign Ernst Zundel engineered?   Who read about that
item?  Most people didn't even notice that millions previously "lost" had
suddenly been found.  You might have thought there would have been
rejoicing, but not a tiny peep.

This is still happening on every single Revisionist front, as can be
illustrated in this letter that came just a few days ago:

"Last weekend my parents and I met and listened to Mr. David Irving in New
Hampshire, thanks to the announcement in the ZGram. We thoroughly enjoyed
ourselves. The item that gave me the most hope was that, if I understood
correctly, during a recent remembrance ceremony, in Germany, the emphasis
is now on mass shootings as the main method of killing Jews.

The gas chambers are ever so gently being pushed into the background. How
convenient!"

This is indeed a problem that has plagued Revisionists all along.  People
have an amazing capacity to swallow pure nonsense as long as it is repeated
often enough.  Remember the classic mendacity "soap-from-Jewish-cadaver"
stories?  It hasn't hurt the Holocaust Lobby one bit that those stories
were discredited decades ago - you still see them popping up like the
proverbial Jack-in-the-Box.  Has it hurt Elie Wiesel's reputation even one
iota that he "saw" mounds of earth heave and geysers of blood spurt MONTHS
after the so-called victims were buried?  For that, he gets standing
ovations.

I believe the answer lies in the ever-more rigorous examination of the
NATURE of the people who are foisting this on us.  Scientifically, the
story of the gassings of the Jews is dead.  There is nothing more to be
added.  Anybody who has three brain cells still left can take a day out of
his life, immerse himself in what has irrefutable been proven as Nonsense
Magnified, and then move on.

Do where?

To this:  WHY is this being done to us?  Who benefits?  Who loses?  How
come our planet tolerates this kind of loathsome zealotry for years on end
against all better evidence?

The answer could be found in fully facing up to this: that both our enemies
and we are running true to type.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"The voice corresponds precisely with the character of the instrument by
which it is made - be it the cooing of the dove, the roaring of the lion,
the growl of the tiger, the bellowing of the ox, the bleat of the sheep,
the crowing of the cock, the grunt of the pig, the neighing of the horse,
or the braying of the ass - each has a voice according to his character."

(Samuel R. Wells, in "New Physiognomy, XIX")



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September 26, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

One of the students from up north who started the first Euro-American
Student Club - the one that triggered Holohugger Numero Uno, Morris Dees,
to come charging in while shooting from the lip like mad to counteract
"white racism" - sent me an absolutely excellent publication he picked up
at some news stand, I believe.

It is called "The Nationalist Times".  It looks solid and compact
editorially.  It describes itself as follows:

"The Nationalist Times is dedicated to returning Liberty to the land by
helping the American People liberate themselves from the elites who have
manipulated and plundered the People and the Constitution in order to
attain total power for themselves.

The Nationalist Times is published monthly, except for an occasional double
issue, by the American Nationalist Union.  Phone number is 412-443-7300,
fax 412-443-4240.  http://www.nauticom,net/www/kloesch/national.htm."

One only wishes that it were a weekly or even a daily paper.  This
publication runs excellent commentary as well as hard news, as reflected in
the following sprinkling of statistics:

*       This months' nomination for Robber Baron of the year is Leonard
Abramson, the chairman of US Healthcare.  US Healthcare recently merged
with Aetna Life and Casualty Co.  As a result of the merger, Lenny will
receive a bonus of . . .  drumroll please - $967 million in cash and stock.
Abramson will also receive a $25 million corporate jet.

*       The National Labor Relations Board has received 22 complaints in
the last 18 months by employers complaining that labor activists are using
anti-white propaganda to recruit workers - many of them non-white - into
unions.

*       The public schools of Dallas are now only 10% white.  Of the other
90%, 44 are mestizos, 42 are black, and 4% are Indian and Asian.

Some of the statistics are comparative with a fresh slant, as in the
following - the "pressing need", our government tells us non-stop,  to
"contain terrorism" across America:

"Contrary to system propaganda, America does not have a terrorist problem.
The federal government's own statistics show that incidents classified as
terrorist are way down in the 1990s as compared to the 80s and especially
the 60s and 70s.

There was not a single terrorist incident in the US in 1994, for example.
In 1993 there was the World Trade Center bombing - in which a federal
infiltrator was intimately involved - and in '95 the infamous Oklahoma City
bombing, with all its unanswered questions.

Compare that to the late 60s and early 70s, with bombs going off on
campuses all over the country, planes being hijacked to Cuba, militant
black and Indian groups engaging in violence, and Anti-Vietnam War
terrorism endemic, to see just how calm the current era really is.

Yet, in spite of the lack of terrorism, the government is enacting measures
as if civil war were underway.  The Atlanta security force is just the
latest example.

A CNN Report on the Olympic security forces shows them responding to a mock
terrorist incident perpetrated by militia-type people.  That seems to be
the key to the current mushrooming growth of the all-encompassing national
security state - to wipe out dissent, especially from Middle America. . . .
"

Dissent?  What dissent?

This paper is sorely needed - as much for what it says as for what we can
infer by sheer comparison with what is going on around us, while we sit
back and watch.  I'll show you a fine sample of what it means when we don't
". . . liberate (ourselves) from the elites who have manipulated and
plundered the People and the Constitution in order to attain total power
for themselves."

This letter came from a young student last week announcing a charter of a
white-ethnic student club - only the second charter of its kind that I know
of - this in a country that was founded by courageous European men and
women who rose two hundred years ago, took pen in hand and wrote in Gothic
fonts that "We the People" would not put up with barbarism bloating the
bellies of the rich while keeping the potatoes from the poor!

Here are the words from a descendant of these Founding Fathers- and may
they burn like acid in our hearts:

"Greetings everyone,

This is Zak from George Mason University sending a mass email to let
everyone know that today I got my charter!

My plan, which I think I informed you all of, actually worked. Today is
Diversity Day here at GMU and I went to the big Diversity rally and  openly
questioned the Diversity Police during the Q and A as to why certain
professors felt  their careers would be endangered if they supported my
group.

I got only  stammers and half-baked excuses; but, on the bright side, the
same black  faculty member who supports the Black Student Alliance, the
Filipino  Cultural Ass., Club Latino, and practically every other racial
group  offered me his signature for my group.

I told him I will accept, and later this week we are going to plan out a
strategy.  The group will focus on our Race's history and heroes at first,
and then  move on to more pressing topics; such as cultural and biological
extinction . . ."

Think about it.  That's one of our own.  He is your kid, and mine.

Ingrid


Thought for the Day:

"While he is being elbowed out of his own home, the American looks calmly
abroad and urges on others the suicidal ethics which are exterminating his
own race."

(Madison Grant, in "The Passing of the Great Race.")





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September 27, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Now I must tell you the story of a man I knew as Senor Bart when I still
lived in Argentina.  What triggered this peculiar reminiscence is that for
several weeks I have received a flurry of reports that there has been
discovered - in some forgotten vault, I guess, in Switzerland - enormous
heaps of gold purported to have been extracted from the teeth of the
victims alleged to have been "gassed" in such places as Auschwitz.

When I knew Senior Bart in my own youthful days, he was a dreaded sight
because he was a drunk who told some pretty boring stories, with no
appreciation for the fact that there was overload.  He didn't know when
enough was enough.

I was then working as a sales clerk in a grocery store, and he would lean
across my counter, emit enormous whiskey flags and tell me one more time
that in his glory days, in Switzerland, he used to chum it up with Lenin
who plotted revolution against the Russian aristocracy.  He claimed that he
and Lenin were really buddy-buddy, which may or may not have been true.  It
could have been;  I didn't care;  in those days history meant nothing.  I
just longed for him to stop telling me stories because I had heard them
before.

Old Bart lived in an old, dilapidated dwelling that was glued to some sort
of little hill in a way that the roof was level with the top.  Time and
neglect had covered that roof with thick layers of top soil on which a lot
of dandelions grew, and not infrequently we would observe Bart's cow graze
on the dandilions and make the roof sag badly.

This used to infuriate his landlord who lived deep in the Yerba orchards
and never quite succeeded in marshalling the evidence that old Bart's cow
was grazing on that roof.

Bart simply claimed it wasn't so;  the landlord made it up.

The landlord howled that he had EVIDENCE;  the cow had left some substance.

But Senior Bart, perfecting chutzpah, would simply turn the accusation on
its head, look innocent, smile through his toothless gums, and ask:

"Are you accusing ME?  Did you say cow?  Whose cow?  How did manure get on
my roof?"  Only he didn't say "manure";  his churlish boomerang was quite a
masterpiece in Yiddish.

In that part of the world, this turned into a proverb.  Whenever someone
told a lie that was so crude and primitive there was no way around it,  it
literally stunk to heaven,  the folks would raise their eyebrows, asking:
"How did manure get on your roof?" and people knew how to dismiss
mendacity, considering the source.

That's what will happen, I predict, with this repulsive story about the
gold extracted from some corpses' teeth to "prove" the Holocaust.  It's a
yarn that has now been exhausted.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"What contemptible scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch?"

(W. C. Fields)









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Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Ernst Zundel has been in the nationalist trenches for practically all of
his adult years.  If you want to know how the Shadows  operate against
ideological leaders of his caliber, consider the following, for most
tactics described below have already been applied.

This text was reprinted under the title "How to Destroy Dangerous Political
Opponents" in the Vienna newspaper, "Der Telegraf", of November 1, 1920,
originally taken from the book "Deutscher Geist oder Judentum" (German
Spirit or Jewry):

1.      Nothing could be more erosive and damaging to the well-being of our
people than delaying the destruction of an opponent until he achieves
recognition among our enemies and becomes famous enough that they heed his
words and follow him when he addresses them.  We must consequently keep a
sharp watch on the maturing youth of our enemies, and if we notice a
nucleus of insurrection and resistance to our power, then it must be
destroyed before it can pose a threat to our people.

2.      Since we dominate the press and exert power over public issues, so
it is our most important task that dangerous people are not permitted
access to positions from which they could speak with authority and in the
printed word in order to win influence among our enemies.  Thus, silence
must prevail and complete unawareness, when a dangerous mind arises in the
midst of our enemies.  Most will be restrained by a lack of success in
early youth from further efforts and must eventually devote themselves to
an occupation to win their daily bread, which then distracts them from
dangerous thoughts and deeds against the Chosen People.

3.      Yet, if one such individual still persists with harmful doings
despite silence and deficient recognition, then the time is come for
influencing him more sharply to thwart his plans and hinder his dangerous
work.  Now, we will offer him employment at high salary within our circles
if he simply ceases with his false endeavors and allows his energies to be
diverted to Our Cause.  And, if he was lonely for a long while and had to
suffer and starve, then the sudden gold and beautiful words which we give
him will dissuade him from his incorrect ideas and guide him to our path.
And, when he suddenly sees success and riches, glory and honor, he will
forget his enmity and learn to graze on the fat pasture which we keep ready
for all who go our way and submit themselves to the rule of the Chosen
People.

4.      If this is to no avail and an individual continues further in
stubborn mutiny against our command, then we will see to it through our
people that evil will be spoken about him everywhere, and those for whom he
wants to fight and is willing to sacrifice himself to counter us, will
reject him in animosity and contempt.  Then he will become truly lonely and
see thusly the impotence of his acts and will despair and perish in the
impossible struggle against our people.

5.      If that does not work, and he should be strong enough to endure and
to continue to believe in his hostile aims against us, then we have an even
more certain means to paralyze his power and destroy his plans.  Did not
Esther win the King of Persia to our side and did not Judith chop off the
head of the enemy of our people?  And, are there not daughters of Israel
enough who are seductive and clever enough to entice them from the path of
our enemies, to win their hearts and to overhear their thoughts so that no
word can be spoken and no plan ripen without being known at the proper time
by our people?  And, if a dangerous foe has attained a reputation and
position and the trust of his friends and the following of an entire
people, and we send a daughter of Israel onto his path, so his plan shall
be delivered to our hands and his resolve broken and his energy lamed and
his power made useless, then, whenever the daughters of our people reign as
wives of our enemies, their plans are checked at the right stage and their
actions are frustrated before they can be carried out.

6.      However, if he should see through our actions and avoid our snares
and his recalcitrant spirit finds further support and belief among our
enemies, then he must disappear from this life in such a manner that our
goals are not endangered.  "Death is the unavoidable end of all humanity."
For this reason, it is better to accelerate this end for those who injure
our cause than to wait until it befalls us, the initiators of the
undertaking.  In the Freemason lodges, we inflict the punishment in such a
way that no one, except the brothers of the confession, can derive the
slightest suspicion. . . not even death's victim himself;  they all die
when it is necessary of an apparent natural cause.  Although it is known to
the lodge brothers, they dare not raise any objection.  With such
inexorable punishment, we have suffocated all contradictions within the
lodges against our orders at the embryonic stage.  While we preach
enlightenment to the Gentiles, we simultaneously keep our own people and
our confidants in strictest obedience.

7.      Since we live in uncertain times and the country is made unsafe
everywhere by murder and mayhem, through looting and robbery, so it occurs
easily for our brothers to eliminate the dangerous enemy by a coincidental
surprise attack.  Then, do we not have an army of hired thugs of the
nationality of our enemies, who are always prepared to do what we want for
good gold and protected secrets?  And, if we want to remove the opponent,
then we spread rumors wherever he is traveling and where he resides to
increase the danger and insecurity and to make the threat to his life a
daily occurrence.  And, if we want to destroy him, then we prepare the
deed, through robbery or looting at the place of his residence or scatter
the rumors of danger and personal attacks in his vicinity.  And, when the
day arrives when he is to disappear, the people we pay will work together
in perfect harmony;  and when he has been killed, they will take the money
and plunder the corpse, and the culprits will never be apprehended.  And,
the whole world will believe that he was a victim of robbery and
manslaughter, as the people will be accustomed to this at the appropriate
time.  And, never will the enemies learn that he has vanished through the
will of our brothers in order that the name of our god be desecrated.  ("So
that we won't be nabbed")

8.      So that the name of God shall not be desecrated, the wisest of our
people have taken precautions for centuries.  Namely, or brothers in Russia
have discovered means and researched the sciences to destroy our enemies
without their noticing it.  Have they not discovered a gas which
immediately kills the enemy and found a second gas which is emitted after
the first one, combining with it to eliminate all traces of the former?
And, do we not know the qualities of wireless current which destroys the
mental faculties of the dangerous foe and ruins his brain power and ability
to concentrate and think?  And, have not our doctors researched the effects
of undetectable poisons with the microscope and know how to smuggle the
poison into the wash of the enemy, whereby it climbs to his brain and
infests the frontal lobes, annihilating his mind?  And, can we not
ourselves staff the autopsy clinics with our own people so that no one
learns of the cause of his death?  And, have we not learned to get close to
him through the maid who serves him, through the neighbor across the fence,
and the guest in his house?  And, are we not all-present and omnipotent in
covert collaboration with one another in secret accord until the
destruction of the opponent?  And, when we come with friendly words and
harmless conversation, has it yet been achieved by any nation on Earth that
our plans have been penetrated and our purposes defeated?

9.      If, however, one should still succeed in avoiding all traps of
secret death and all the cunning of our brothers and should thwart the work
of destruction, you should not despair and tremble in fear of the bright
glance of this single dangerous one!  Then, if he dares to speak to his
unsuspecting fellow-citizens of our covert activities and menacing
destruction, is it not our ancient art to recognize and watch over all
persons with whom he speaks and to predict his plans in advance, if he
should escape our snares?  And, even before he speaks to our enemies, we
ourselves will speak through our people, with those who are entrusted to
him, and will warn of the imbalance of his mind and the unfortunate
confusion of his senses.  And, when he comes to tell of his troubles and to
portray the surmounted dangers, these people will hear him with doubting
smiles and distrustful contempt and will be convinced of his mental
disorder and emotional decay.  And, we will work together step by step,
until the gates of the insane asylum close behind him, and should he come
out again and want to take further action and warn of our power, we will
have taken from him the credibility of his beliefs, and he will be outcast
and outlawed.  The words will be in vain that he spoke, just as the
thoughts he thinks.  And, so the Chosen People will remain victor over yet
another harmful adversary.

10.     Yet, if this should not be effective and the enemy, against the
will of our God, wrestles himself free from all these dangers, then, still
do not despair you Children of Israel, since one man is powerless, and our
agents are everywhere alert to destroy his evil assault and prevent the
Goyim from throwing off the yoke, which was attached to them by our God.

Do we not have the means at hand to observe every step of the enemy and to
make the very breath from his mouth ineffective?  And, as his people begin
to believe in him and want to draw near him, do we not know how to hinder
this approachment and cut the threads which could bind the dangerous enemy
with the external world?  And, the letters which will be written to him
should be checked and read by our people so that encouragement and approval
will be withheld from him and that only false friendship and malicious
contacts flow to him, behind which the children of the Chosen People stand
concealed.  And, when he wants to use public communications, which enable
the human word to be carried widely abroad, so we shall overhear his words
and his plans, and, if the enemies should want to speak to him, we will
interfere with the contest or baffle the meaning, since we keep the enemy
so encircled that no trace of his soul can penetrate into the outward world
without our eavesdropping.  And, he will want to defend himself and will
believe that he is effective, but his actions will be like the pacing of an
animal behind the bars of his cage.

11.     And, if the belief in the dangerous enemy by the few of
intelligence should grow in spite of these measures, then we will still
know how to prevent that his power advances and that his ideas influence
the greater multitude of our enemies.  And if his name achieves a good
reputation, so we shall send out one of our people and give him the same
name of the dangerous foe and deliberately expose him as the enemy of our
enemies, as a traitor and deceiver, and when the hated name is merely
mentioned, we shall say that he is, our foe, who is the traitor;  and the
people will believe our words, and his words will fade away into emptiness,
and his ideas will become cursed through the omnipotence of our god.  And,
we will make his lifestyle subject to suspicions and shall take the filth
of the gutter to smear his reputation and his fellow men will see the
dirtied cloak and perceive the filth on his clothing and will turn from
him, not evaluating his character and not noticing his voice.  And, he will
become perplexed and give up hope in his own people, which appears to him
to be so shabby and thankless, and he will cease his activities in
bitterness and despair as Israel laughs mockingly and the power of our god
triumphs.

12.     It is, nevertheless, prophesied that men will repeatedly arise in
our folk who are not of our blood and will not think with our spirit.  And
they will be more dangerous to the victory of our people than all the
others, since they understand the trickery of our folk and avoid our nets
and escape all dangers.  But, do not fear, ye brothers, in the face of
these cursed ones, since, if they appear today, it is already too late and
power over the entire Earth too far given over to our hands.  Where can our
enemies sit down with one another to deliberate over us without at least
one of our people within their ranks or one of their race who has become
ours through the glitter of our gold, the charm of our women, or the
convincingness of our agents?  And, if the renegade wants to speak with our
enemies, so shall our emissary in their ranks rise up and utter words of
indignation against him, which will find endearment and trust, sowing
rejection of him among the enemies' ranks, and angrily labelling him the
secret enemy of their people!  And, wherever he shall come with love and
self-sacrifice and would desire to save the enemies from the power of our
people, his words will encounter mistrust, they will reject him, and all
his activities will ineffectively rebound from this distrust and disbelief,
which our emissary knows how to provoke within the enemies ranks.

And, so it shall be our talent and greatest mission to prevent that many
hear the words, recognition, and enlightenment concerning our most secret
goals.  Thus, if many were to hear the voice of truth against our power,
then all our counterespionage measures would be thwarted and the danger
would be near that the peoples of the Earth might throw off our yoke.
Therefore, keep up the watch, ye Brothers, and act omnipresent, delude the
enemies, confuse their senses, close their ears, and make their eyes
unseeing, so that the day will never come when the world Empire of Zion
collapses, which we have built up to such towering heights and perfection
and which shall soon project visibly to its late but inevitable victory and
ultimate revenge upon the slave peoples of the entire planet!"

Thought for the Day:

"One has not watched life very observantly if one has never seen the hand
that kills tenderly."

(Friedrich Nietzsche, in "Beyond Good and Evil", IV, 69)





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"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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September 29, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

There is one kid up North who, every time I see him or hear of him, reminds
me of a seedling that will become a forest.

Justin is a quiet, unpretentious youngster - the kind who will struggle for
words.  But there is a genuine quality to everything he does that cannot
help but touch you because it is so wholesome.  The Salt-of-the-Earth image
applies.

Here is his latest to reach out to his kin - students in other colleges:

"I remember one very important moment in my long process of conversion to
an active Revisionist. It was the first day of Spring quarter, and I was
attending another of my many History classes. I remember this day very
clearly, because it was the first time I had the courage to bring up the
subject of Revisionism in class.

My professor, a very sincere man, explained to the class why we must always
study all sides to history, as it is always the victor who  gets to write
his version of history.

I thought to myself, " This guy is right." I began to wonder for just one
minute if this History teacher might be at least sympathetic to
Revisionists and their arguments.

I found the courage to address this issue as I saw it. I told the teacher
that I thought he made a very good point, and I would like to know his
opinion of the Revisionist movement.

He stood silent for just one moment.  His answer was one I did not expect.
He told me that Revisionism was a very necessary tool for History, but it
must not be taken to an extreme.

"Believe it or not, their are some people who would stand before this very
classroom and argue that the Holocaust did not happen," he said.

I wanted to continue this conversation. I wanted to pipe up and tell this
teacher he had it all wrong. I wanted to ask him if he had ever bothered to
view the Revisionist's arguments for himself. It was the first day of
class, and well, I wanted to receive the grade of an A, so I kept silent. I
had to make the choice between standing up for what I truly believed to be
a legitimate controversy in History, or thinking of myself.

Needless to say, I kept quiet and received the 4.0 I wanted so badly.

I remember this man so clearly, because he truly was sincere. Throughout
the quarter, when we addressed different events in history, he would give a
very objective viewpoint, and often present conflicting arguments. I
realized that this man tried his best to be objective, and he did not teach
his class in a biased manner. He would tell the truth about other events in
history, such as slavery, even though it would often receive an unpopular
response.

Now that I look back on the time I spent in this man's class, I realize
that I could have made a difference. I could have presented to him the
Revisionists' arguments and let him make up his own mind. I am quite sure
that the only information he had received about Holocaust Revisionists was
the information supplied by anti-Revisionists, such as the ADL. If I had
wanted to change the way this man taught his class, I could have taken him
aside and asked for his honest opinion of Holocaust Revisionism. I could
have let him watch a two-hour lecture by best-selling British Historian,
David Irving. If I would have had the initiative to do this one single act,
I just might have changed the way this one teacher viewed the Holocaust
story.

It is up to the College and University students of America to take it upon
THEMSELVES to bring Holocaust Revisionism into academic circles. We have an
OBLIGATION to ask our Professors questions, and they have a obligation to
answer them. It is very simple.  We MUST investigate this part of history
the same way we investigate all events of history. We must look at all
sides of the Holocaust controversy, and come to our OWN objective
conclusions.

If we do not, and if we simply allow our teachers to teach only one version
of history, we have failed!

The best way to introduce Revisionism to our Professors is to allow them to
study actual Revisionist material for themselves, and not let them draw
their conclusions strictly upon anti-revisionist material. If we take
Revisionist material to our Professors and ask them to give us their honest
opinions, they have an obligation to study the material objectively.

We are asking for your help! We have found the David Irving video tape to
be one of the best tools for introducing Holocaust revisionism. We ask that
you take a copy of one of David Irving's lectures and ask your professors
to view it.

If they do not, they are being close-minded. If they do, they will be
introduced to a wealth of information that they would have not gotten
otherwise.

The SRRS will shortly be offering the Irving video taped lectures in
exchange for small donations. This is your chance to become part of the
front lines. This is your obligation to see justice served. This is your
way to make certain that all sides of this controversy are explored, and
this is your way to advance our cause-to see an open forum, and a free
exchange of ideas!"

Doesn't this letter make you feel RIGHT?  It reminds me of Nietzsche's
Zarathustra where he writes:  "Slack and sleeping senses must be addressed
with thunder and heavenly fireworks.  But the voice of beauty speaks
gently;  it creeps only into the most awakened souls."

Let that be your Thought for the Day!

Ingrid

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"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
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September 30, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

Something rather astonishing was sent to us an hour ago.  I want to offer
it here without comment for various reasons - not the least of it is that I
have to keep myself free for a global press release.

So here it goes, as from a European source:

"According to Germany's leading tabloid paper "Bild" (Saturday edition),
Federal Minister for Familiy Affairs, Claudia Nolte (Christian-Democrat),
in an unprecedented decision has formally had several Web pages banned for
being "X"-rated by the "Federal Office for the Evaluation of Literature
Hazardous to Minors".

These are pages featured by Ernst Zuendel, a leading political revisionist
located in Canada whose purportedly "Neo-Nazi" views have been the subject
of much controversy in Germany.

Ms Nolte is quoted as saying: "It is not tolerable that the Internet should
be an island with special privileges, on which thoughtless or unscrupulous
providers may pursue their infamous activities with impunity."

This effectively forces Internet providers to restrict minors' access to
said pages - a technical impossibility since most minors accessing the net
are be using their parents' accounts.

No "Netwatch" or other self-censorship software will suffice to conform
with this provision, as it is THE PROVIDERS, not the kids' legal guardians,
who have to comply with this restriction.

Following a recent decision by the State of Hamburg's Supreme
Constitutional Court to the effect that service providers cannot be held
responsible for possibly illegal contents of data transfers via their
networks (here, AOL was accused of disseminating child pornography), this
move must be regarded as a circumvention tactics to put the thumbscrews on
ISPs nevertheless by invoking Minors Protection legislation instead.

(Also note that the Hamburg decision ruled that email message were
protected by privacy laws as any snail mail letter - hence, providers could
not be expected to monitor their contents as this would violate
constitutional rights.)

This implies that German based ISPs (including AOL's and Compuserve's local
services) will actually have to ban ALL GENERAL access to the Zuendel pages
>from  their systems unless they are willing to risk running afault of the
law."

What do you say to that?  Just think about it and stay tuned.  The titles
of the eight "offending" pamphlets can be found by checking on the
Zundelsite News Pages, both English and German.  (Links are provided for
the German documents, since they are the only ones banned.)

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful."

(Friedrich Nietzsche)



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______  Dr. Ingrid Rimland is the author of "The Wanderers" (Bantam Books)
"The Furies and the Flame", (Arena Press) and "Lebensraum", a trilogy
spanning seven generations. (Anticipated publication date: 1997).
http://www.webcom.com/ina


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