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From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  2 09:10:47 PDT 1996
Article: 47769 of bc.general
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From: cook@dowco.com (Cook)
Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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In article <4r7m9r$a98@interchg.ubc.ca>, rkoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Richard W Koo)
wrote:

> In article ,
> Cook  wrote:
> >
> >Mr. Chow consistently ignores the fact that between 57% and 78% 
> >(depending upon poll) of Canadians are opposed to the present rate of
> >immigration.  Please keep this in mind when reading his manipulations of
> >the posts of others.
> 
> 
> Mr. Cook consistently ignores any requests to either list the sources of 
> his "data", or makes statements that continue to have the rest of us 
> rolling on the floor in laughter every time he posts.  Famous claims 
> include "almost all asian babies born in BC have hepatitus from birth" 
> and "asians are always conspicuously absent from volunteer organizations in 
> Vancouver", (obviously he wasn't at the Canada Day celebrations in 
> Vancouver this weekend).
> 
> Please keep this in mind when reading his rebuttals of the posts of others.
> 
>
The data has been posted but Mr.Koo waits until Chow or Neil has edited it
>from  the post and than askes for the data to be posted.  
 
If its of interest, there were very few asians at the celebrations and
most of those were selling something.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  2 09:10:50 PDT 1996
Article: 47802 of bc.general
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From: cook@dowco.com (Cook)
Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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In article <4r89ps$hej@bull.hkstar.net>, jmy@hkstar.com wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:17:42 GMT, cook@dowco.com (Cook) wrote:
> 
> >Mr. Chow consistently ignores the fact that between 57% and 78% 
> >(depending upon poll) of Canadians are opposed to the present rate of
> >immigration.  Please keep this in mind when reading his manipulations of
> >the posts of others.
> 
> You are manipulating poll results. Those figures at best represent
> those interviewed not all Canadians. Furthermore, some of the polls
> might have problems which could be considered invalid.
> 
Your quite right Mr. Yau, the polls did not ask every single Canadian's
opinion and are therefore invalid 19 times out of 20, plus or minus ?% 

Mr. Yau, ask your mother what a national polls is.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  2 09:10:51 PDT 1996
Article: 47803 of bc.general
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From: cook@dowco.com (Cook)
Subject: Re: HKs more likely to call 'discrimination'....
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In article <4r8mlf$ndv@bull.hkstar.net>, jmy@hkstar.com wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 05:36:40 GMT, cook@dowco.com (Cook) wrote:
> 
> 
> >Isn't it interesting, that the HK immigrants are both the most frequently
> >discriminated against and are regarded as the most arrogant of
> >immigrants.  I guess if you don't know you an arrogant ass, you would feel
> >discriminated against.  
> >HK immigrant arrogance has been chronicled in posts here,in letters to the
> >editor and editorial by Chinese in Ming Pao Daily.
> 
> Cook, when would you stop stereotyping?
> Arrogant people exsist everywhere and in every culture.
> 
Agreed, however even the asian population recognizes that HK'ers are
notably arrogant, if their own daily's and posts are to be believed.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  2 09:10:51 PDT 1996
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From: cook@dowco.com (Cook)
Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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In article <4r89ps$hej@bull.hkstar.net>, jmy@hkstar.com wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 04:17:42 GMT, cook@dowco.com (Cook) wrote:
> 
> >Mr. Chow consistently ignores the fact that between 57% and 78% 
> >(depending upon poll) of Canadians are opposed to the present rate of
> >immigration.  Please keep this in mind when reading his manipulations of
> >the posts of others.
> 
> You are manipulating poll results. Those figures at best represent
> those interviewed not all Canadians. Furthermore, some of the polls
> might have problems which could be considered invalid.
> 
Mr. Yau do you understand what a national polls is?  These were all
nationally based, professional polls.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  9 08:45:38 PDT 1996
Article: 48142 of bc.general
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From: cook@dowco.com (Cook)
Subject: Re: We do want many more immigrants!
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In article , au999@torfree.net (Andrew
T. Chow) wrote:


> Ever since the Plains of Abraham, Canada has ALWAYS had VERY STRICT 
> immigration policies.
> 
It is difficult to imagine a more ridiculous statement.  Artlcle after
article refers to Canada's immigration laws being the least restrictive in
the western world. 

Please provide proof of your assertion.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  9 08:45:42 PDT 1996
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From: cook@dowco.com (Cook)
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In article , au999@torfree.net (Andrew
T. Chow) wrote:

> Andrew Kobayashi (Andrew_Kobayashi@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
> : Christopher Lambert wrote:
> : > I'd like to know why international students are given a large chunk of
> : > university scholarships and assistance so they can gain the benefits
> : > of a Canadian educations -- then leave for home.
> 
> : Actually, to gain influence over them as they use that Canadian 
> : education to gain influence in their own countries
> : ie it makes friends in high places
> 
> Agreed.  Educating foreign students is probably one of the most effective 
> and economical foreign aid methods.  Afterall, they PAY us.
> 
What percentage of the actual university costs do they pay?

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  9 08:45:48 PDT 1996
Article: 48215 of bc.general
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From: cook@dowco.com (Cook)
Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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In article <4rruj8$j4r@News.Dal.Ca>, dchan@is.dal.ca (Desmond Chan) wrote:

> 
> If nobody can tell those forged documents from the real, then even the
> most sophiscated system -- actually it's the people running the system --
> can be fooled. It has nothing to do with if the system is a joke or not.
> Besides, people using forged documents still need to follow the procedures
> laid down in the system. 
> 
What "procedures laid down in the system"?  What proceedure is that?  Why
would there be a proceedure for someone with documents that show him to be
a landed immigrant, citizen or other "lawfull entry permit"?  Why would
someone buy forged documents if he would be required to go through "the
procedures
laid down in the system."

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul  9 08:45:49 PDT 1996
Article: 48223 of bc.general
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In article <4rqsv4$9o1@bull.hkstar.net>, jmy@hkstar.com wrote:

> [Follow-up newsgroups trimmed]
> 
> On Mon, 8 Jul 1996 07:53:01 GMT, cook@dowco.com (Cook) wrote:
> 
> >What percentage of the actual university costs do they pay?
> 
> >-- 
> >cook
> 
> Foreign students have to pay the full cost of their education in
> Canada. Their tuition fee is usually 2-3 times higher than the tuition
> fee for local (Canadians and landed immigrants) students.
> 
> FYI, page 70 of the UBC Calendar reads:
> 
> "All int'l students except those registered in the Faculty of Graduate
> Studies will be assessed tuition fee in the amount of 2.5 times the
> corresponding tuition fee for Canadian Citizens and Permanent
> Residents. Where reciprocity agreements exsist, int'l students shall
> pay only regular fees.
> 
> Int'l students registered in the Faculty of Graduate Studies are
> assessed fees on the same basis as Canadian citizens and permanent
> residents."

The last time the education minister addressed the subject of increasing
tuition fees, he noted that regular tuition fees pay less than 15% of the
actual university costs; 2.5 times that is hardly "pay(ing) the full cost"

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Fri Jul 12 07:36:12 PDT 1996
Article: 48283 of bc.general
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In article <4rudsh$31i@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, windstar@vcn.bc.ca (Felix Luk) wrote:

> Karen Gordon (ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : (Karen):  Not to mention the costs of paying for the education of foreign
> : students in pre-university education....
> 
> You are saying that as if they are not required to pay.

But they don't pay the entire cost.  Again, Canadians pick up the tab for
foreigners.
> 
> [Alleged news item snipped]

This means Felix couldn't argue with a contrary news item.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul 16 19:40:51 PDT 1996
Article: 48627 of bc.general
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In article , au999@torfree.net (Andrew
T. Chow) wrote:

Snip  -- andrew's note from his driver training courses.

> cheers,
> 
> Andrew Chow
> au999@torfee.net

Imagine a lecture on safe driving from a clown who declined to answers the
questions: What is a rear view mirror and what is it used for?

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul 16 19:40:53 PDT 1996
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In article <4sbh1b$35v@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, au999@vcn.bc.ca (Andrew Chow) wrote:

> Because education is not the reason for having immigration.  The 
> objective has always been to increase the population of Canada.  The 
> second largest country in the world with only 29 million people, compared 
> to 270 million in the US, and 80 million in Germany, 130 million in 
> Japan, Canada is the least populated country among the G7.

"The objective has always been to increase the population of Canada" 

 Where did you find this mythical piece of info?

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul 16 19:40:54 PDT 1996
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In article ,
Patrick Chung  wrote:

> On 12 Jul 1996 dorfsmay@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> > : NO.  I do NOT want my country to become an over crowded mirror image of 
> > : the third world.  I like it "empty" here, it is one of the reasons I'm 
> > : here, and I will vigorously resist attempts to "fill" it.
>          The amount of area in Canada is huge, like 4 persons
> per square mile, averaged out. So it is not that densely populated, except
> in big cities. If you don't like it then you should live out in a small
> Canadian town or country where there is no sports or cultural activities.
> I am assuming this is what you like? To be isolated?
> 
>   Pat Chung 

Just what we need a hoard of immigrants who think living in rabbit warrens
is acceptable.  Go find anoyther country to turn into a cesspool of
humanity.  Leave Canada alone.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul 16 19:40:57 PDT 1996
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In article <4ses7t$kn9@wpg-01.escape.ca>, admiral@escape.ca (The Bathtub
Admiral) wrote:

> cook@dowco.com (Cook) in message 
> is alleged to have mumbled:
> 
> >Just what we need a hoard of immigrants who think living in rabbit warrens
> >is acceptable.  Go find anoyther country to turn into a cesspool of
> >humanity.  Leave Canada alone.
> 
> Must be one hell of a summer sun in BC to give you a neck that red...
> Pat's point was valid and in any event not directed to you. Leave him
> alone.

On the contrary, Pat's point reflected the position of many asians who
seem to think the urban population levels of the orient are, or should be
acceptable to Canadians.  Nothing shows their utter lack of understanding
of Canadians, better than this desire to overpopulate our cities.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Sat Jul 20 09:59:27 PDT 1996
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In article <31EEA463.295B@mbnet.mb.ca>, Darren Gudmundson
 wrote:

> Cook wrote:
> 
> > I don't care how they got to be the way they are.  Crying over past sins
> > has nothing to do with making the right decisions for Canada today.  Our
> > immigration policies are wrong and must be changed to reflect the desires
> > of all Canadians, not just the vocal pro-immigrationists. Until Canadians
> > decide to change the character of Canada and its cities, immigrants who
> > think a rabbit warren is a fine place to live, have no place here.
snip
> 
> I say let more people come. Let the character of our cities change.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, unfortunately Vancouver has
gone through a huge change in the past generation because the national
policy did not consider that its effects might be concentrated. Our
opinion did not count.  You have your opinion and so do many other
Canadians.  Unfortunately the government appears to care less for the
majority opinion.  I have never met a 2nd plus generation canadian, who
when asked, has not expressed some degree of concern over recent asian
immigration to Vancouver.  It has changed Vancouver significantly and the
only people who are not concerned, either live outside Vancouver or are
recent asian immigrants.  We have lost our senses of community to people
who simple do not understand the concept of a neighborhood and neighbors
as we do.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Tue Jul 23 08:39:30 PDT 1996
Article: 49061 of bc.general
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In article <31F263D3.7090@mbnet.mb.ca>, Darren Gudmundson
 wrote:

> Mark Karim wrote:
> > 
> > I know Vancouver has become terribly expensive to live in. Normal
> > Canadians cannot usually afford to live there, is that right?
> > 
> > Mark
> 
> 
> Oh man.  ***head bowed and shaking slowly side to side***
> 
> Normal Canadians?
> 
> Normal?
> 
> The cost of living in Vancover has less to do with immigration policies
than it has to 
> do with the arbitrary way we as a society place value on land.  There is
lots of room in 
> this country.  There is lots of room in the Vancover area.  Corporate
land developers 
> and speculators are the cause of inflated land values, not asians.

Your comment is stupid enough to have come from either Yau or Luk.

Then why is the mayor of Coquitlam suggesting that emmigrants be forced
into other areas of the province because the GVRD is becoming too crowded?

What would happen if there were no buyers?  I suppose you think the
developers would still set higher and higher prices on land.

-- 
cook


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In article <4t19dp$ore@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, windstar@vcn.bc.ca (Felix Luk) wrote:

> Cook (cook@dowco.com) wrote:
> 
> : Your comment is stupid enough to have come from either Yau or Luk.
> 
> Thank you, thank you, you just made my day. To be on the hate list of the
> cookmeister is quite an accomplishment :) *) 8)
> 
> : Then why is the mayor of Coquitlam suggesting that emmigrants be forced
> : into other areas of the province because the GVRD is becoming too crowded?
Correction(Mayor of Port Moody)
> 
> He did? When? Where? How? In what form?
(Vancouver Sun - July, 1996):

- Let newcomers live elsewhere in B.C. mayor says -

New immigrants should be encouraged to settle OUTSIDE the Lower Mainland
in order to preserve the area's quality of life, Port Moody's mayor
suggested Wednesday.

As chair of the Greater Vancouver regional district's strategic planning
committee, he was responding to a provincial report that says by 2021
the lower mainland's population will swell to 3.3 million from 2 million
- 277,000 more than previously anticipated.

A significant number of these newcomers are expected to be Asian immigrants.
B.C. Statistics forecasts migration to the lower mainland will average 
37,000 people a year until 2021.

[....]
Richmond's mayor said that even before the new population figures were
released, regional planners estimated that by 2021 the region would be 
SHORT OF HOUSING for 200,000 people.

"Now with the extra 277,000 we will have 477,000 to find room for within
the growth concentration areas," he said.
[....]
Port Moody's mayor went on to say: "Rather than having them all in the 
Lower Mainland maybe we should have a policy of directing them to other
places," suggesting Vancouver Island and the Interior as possible destin-
ations.

He said in an interview after the committee meeting that even the new
estimates may be too low and that even more people will move into the
Lower Mainland.
"You reach a point when you can institute policies at the federal or 
provincial levels in which - as a condition of immigration - people could
be asked to settle elsewhere in the province."

"I know it's extraordinarily difficult to do, and, of course, you can't
control people moving later on.  But when you have a gorgeous area that
many people want to come to, you run the risk of destroying what it is 
that makes them want to move there in the first place."

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Wed Jul 24 08:17:06 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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In article <31F536E9.4BB6@mbnet.mb.ca>, Darren Gudmundson
 wrote:

> Cook wrote:
> 
> > Your comment is stupid enough to have come from either Yau or Luk.
> 
> What pray tell is a "Yau" or a "Luk"?

They are the "village idiots" of their respective villages.
>  
> > Then why is the mayor of Coquitlam suggesting that emmigrants be forced
> > into other areas of the province because the GVRD is becoming too crowded?
> 
> I would have no idea as to why someone would make such a blatantly
stupid comment. 

Perhaps they are concerned with the pressures place on Vancouver by a
national immigration policy.  A policy opposed by a majority of Canadians,
if all the polls are to be accepted.
> 
> Perhaps you might ask the former mayor as to why he/she (?) is embracing
the concept of 
> forced relocation.
Please re-read the post.

>  
> > What would happen if there were no buyers?  I suppose you think the
> > developers would still set higher and higher prices on land.
> 
> That would depend on zoning and concentration of land ownership and
wealth.  Just 
> because there are no buyers does not mean that the price goes down.
> 
> It is not that simple.

Agreed, I was responding to the usual crap that immigrant buyers don't
drive up housing prices.  The fact is that all buyers drive up prices. 
The more the demand the higher the prices, where land is in short supply.
> 
> Besides, that has more to do with the frailties of our economic system,
than the racist 
> bullshit I see going on here.
> 
> I stated before, and I will reiterate again; I am Canadian.  I was born
here.  I am a 
> taxpayer.  As such, I say let more people come and join us.
> 
> Lighten up and get to know some of them.

I know and like a lot of them on a personal basis, yet they are the first
to admit that their cultural is very racist.  We get it first hand every
day.

-- 
cook


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Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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> 
> Another copycat tries to copy Karen Racist Gordon's style of posting
articles in
> newsgroups. Nice going there, cookie, but racist Karen can come up with more 
> racial hatred articles than you. Care to match her or even work together with 
> her? Or do you refuse? Oh well, that's the way the cookie crumbles!
> 

Time and time again the pro-immigrationists claim Vancouver and the lower
mainland has plenty of room for growth.  The mayors of several cities of
the GVRD clearly dispute that view.  Being politicians, I suspect they
don't reveal any views that would place re-election at risk. It seems
likely they feel these views must be a fair reflection of their
constituents views.

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Sun Jul 28 12:51:46 PDT 1996
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In article <4t55hd$qq8@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
an321@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Angus) wrote:

> Sammy Clark (clark@matrix.infomatch.com) writes:
> > au999@torfree.net (Andrew T. Chow) wrote:
> > 
> > Karen Gordon aka Cook aka anon pig 
> > 
> 
> When are you going to come clean with YOUR real name?
> It sure ain't Sammy Clark.
> 
> JA

My guess is  raj@matrix.infomatch.com (Philip Rajwani) alias Glen Moore

-- 
cook


From cook@dowco.com Wed Jul 31 14:51:06 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: We do want many more immigrants!
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In article , au999@torfree.net (Andrew
T. Chow) wrote:

> 
> The mayor of Port Moody is hoping more immigrants settle in HIS city, as 
> they already do.  For the people who do not know Vancouver, Port Moody is 
> quite a distance from the Lower Mainland, almost as far from Vancouver as 
> Hamilton is from Toronto.  So for him to say immigrants should settle 
> outside of the Lower Mainland is like the mayor of Hamilton saying the 
> Pearson International Airport should be smaller so that more traffic can 
> be diverted to the Hamilton airport.



Chow, you don't have a bloody clue.  Port Moody is no more than 12 km from
Vancouver.  To suggest it "is quite a distance from the lower mainland"
shows how far out of touch you are with the realities of Vancouver.  If
anything, Port Moody is closer to the centre of the lower mainland, than
the City of Vancouver.

-- 
cook



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