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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 21:48:05 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846704884$9249@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>So this:
>>
>>"[translation: doggone it these militia guys keep quoting the REAL
>>Constitution...gotta do something about that!  when we nazis have all
>>the guns and all the money and all the power, we'll get rid of that
>>stupid piece of paper and then the Constitution will be whatever we say
>>it is.]"
>>
>> ...is and example of your higher "intellectual capacity"? 
>
>no it's an example of my sense of humor...believe it or not, billynazi,
>normal people not only do not find ethnic slurs humorous, but also don't
>generally use such slurs in their humor.  I realize that because of this
>you may not understand my humor, but study the paragraph above and you
>will begin to see some of the differences between you nazis and the rest
>of the country, in fact the rest of the *world*.

 Actually, I find the humor in your remarks. The humor is coupled with
irony since you yourself have stated that you intend to re-interpret
the Constitution as you see fit. Therefor, again, I can call you a
hypocrite and a lier. 

>>I bet you
>>didn't even realize that by infering that you had a "higher
>>intellectual capacity" you are support the the notion that some people
>>are inherently NOT equal. 
>
>ah, now here is where we get into a critical issue which you and the other
>netnazis have studiously avoided since you first infested our newsgroup. 
>Specificly that there are certain fundamental equal rights - the
>Declaration of Independence says that some of them include "life, liberty,
>and the pursuit of happiness" which are inherent in all human beings,
>regardless of their intellectual capacity, talents, or other abilities. 
>To put this in simplified terms for you: every human being, in so far as
>they do not impinge on the rights of another human being, has the right to
>live, the right to be free, and the right to pursue whatever appears to be
>a suitably constructive goal.  That's EVERY human being billynazi,
>regardless of race, ethnicity, religious beliefs, gender, or anything
>else.  Part of the evil that is racism exists in the racists' denial of
>this very principle.

 No, here is were we get to the fundementals of the Constitution and
our nation.

 First, that our Fouders did not believe in democracy and therefor
excluded those who were not to be considered capable of determining
the destiny of our nation. Those include women, young adults under 21,
and non-Whites. How do you reconcile this fact? 

 Let us first look at an example. We have two voters. 

 One voter has an extremely low IQ and has been convicted on numerous
non-felony violations. This person has lived off the tax-payers for
his entire life. This person's entire life is a failure. Everyone has
met a person like this. Someone who would rob you blind in a second
and his only thought is how to get more of your money.

 The other is the model citizen. Very bright, educated, hard working
and honest. This persons only thought is to do right. I am sure we
have all met a person like this.

 Two voters, two "citizens" each with the same power to influence
government. Do you see something wrong with this? I do. I also believe
that the majority of voters don't know the issues and vote because a
candidate make them "feel good" or they like the way he looks. Would
you argue this point?  Democracy is a failure because it raises the
lowest scum to the level of the best. This country is a representitive
democracy which represents the TV watching lemming whose ideas are
directly influeneced by the TV. It is not about issues, morals, values
or charecter, it is about public opinion. Our representatives are
traiors and anything which is a product of traiors is treason. 

 The second problem with your answer is that every race wants self
determination which they can never find living in a country whose
leader is of another group. Therefor they vote and act in concert to
empower themselves until they control the government. Do you disagree
with this? 

>>You stated this:
>>
>>"We are COMMANDED to treat all people as equal...if you own a Bible,
>>you might check out Luke 10: 25-37"
>>
>>and
>>
>>""We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of
>>their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
>>this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." 
>
>BOTH of which are precisely true and correct.  are you beginning to
>understand?
>
> 
>> You are a hypocrite. 
>
>no, you simply fail to understand that fundamental rights have nothing
>whatsoever to do with abilities or lack thereof.  I realize that you feel
>very threatened by me, billynazi, and indeed you should, for what I
>represent is the armed antithesis of your philosophy.  That you should
>attempt to prove me hypocritical is actually amusing, since it would seem
>to indicate that you fear your own hypocrisy more than anything else in
>the world.  why is that, billynazi?  why is that?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 
 The simple undeniable fact is that you and are are enemies. I don't
feel threatened by you; instead I feel the winds of war. You and your
social engineering self sytled leaders represent the same forces which
are destroying this country. Your movement is rooted in failure and
your approach has been tried again and again. 

 The last part of your paragraph above seems to have no root in
logical thought (imagine that). 

 You are a hypocrite and  lier. Enjoy your fantasy world.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. 
Nothing that you will do will meet our demands. We will forever
destroy because we need a world of our own, a God world, which is NOT
in your  nature to build." 

Jewish Author, Maurice Samual 
>From  his book "You Gentiles".


From thebok@dreamon.com Sat Nov  2 13:36:57 PST 1996
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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 18:18:11 GMT, daddison@lville.mindspring.com (Don
Addison) wrote:

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>sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
>
>
>>daddison@lville.mindspring.com (Don Addison) wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Finally, Mark P taking the  RIGHT side of an issue.  ;-)
>>>Pagan, Patriot, and Proud of both!
>>>Blessed Be!
>>>http://www.mindspring.com/~daddison
>
>>Hmmm.  That's interesting!  I wonder how long your pagan heritage with
>>last after the European race is dissolved!   Clearly , not very long.
>>Maybe you can adopt Hinduism or African voodo if it's all the same to
>>you!!
>
>>Brian Smith
>>www.natall.com
>
>BTW Brian, your beloved swastika predates your Third Reich by about
>2000 years. The earliest representation of a swastika has been found
>in India. Seems it was originally a Hindu symbol.
>Pagan, Patriot, and Proud of both!
>Blessed Be!
>http://www.mindspring.com/~daddison
>


 Interesting. I suppose that you forgot that Sumeria was a Aryan
kingdom? The religious symbols and culture were European in origin.

 But, what do the facts have to do with it?

Best Regards,

Vincent

Daily Talmudic Quote:

"A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah


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On Thu, 31 Oct 96 20:19:43 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846721140$11219@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> Using a little editorial controll yourself Arlin? What I said was:
>>
>>"I expected some kind of adhominem response. I expect nothing less
>>from a lying hypocrite like yourself. "
>
>yep, I was trying to prevent you from making a bigger fool out of yourself
>than you already have..oh well, so much for that thought...
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Now that's logical. Hypocrite!

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 5:48:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846643686$4400@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>Under normal conditions, you might be correct. Under multi-cultural 
>>conditions, a true Patriot places his loyalty on his racial brothers and 
>>sisters - excluding the racial renegades, those of course, only deserve 
>>scorn and total contempt.
>
>[translation:  the notional appliance doesn't have any normal people in it
>- we screen them out right away!]


 Adhominem. Once again you show your lack of interest in an honest
discussion and relegate logic to the Arlin dung-heap. 

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 20:48:05 GMT, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
wrote:

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>In message <846654484$5987@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>:>
>:>
>:>In article <846643686$4400@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>:>writes:
>:>
>:>>Under normal conditions, you might be correct. Under multi-cultural 
>:>>conditions, a true Patriot places his loyalty on his racial brothers and 
>:>>sisters - excluding the racial renegades, those of course, only deserve 
>:>>scorn and total contempt.
>:>
>:>[translation:  the notional appliance doesn't have any normal people in it
>:>- we screen them out right away!]
>
>
>Well, I guess in your mind a racial renegade is a normal person, while a 
>person who has any sense of racial loyalty at all is abnormal.
>
>You just turned-off a lot of people, Arlin. I noticed, even before I 
>became involved in racial politics, that most people - of all races - have at 
>least SOME sense of racial loyalty. In my whole life I've met very few White 
>people who look favorably upon interracial marriage. Many are disgusted by 
>it. That's an instinctual manifestation of racial loyalty - the kind Nature 
>puts into normal people.
>

Ian,

 I think Sir John Harrington said it best in 1600:

"Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason?  For if it prosper,
none dare call it treason."

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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On Thu, 31 Oct 96 20:20:52 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846723785$11449@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
>
>once again, the nazis are reduced to whining to each other in a corner.
>
>Arlin H. Adams
>

 And once again you are reduced to adhominem attacks. While we are
talking, how about answering the question I've now asked you atleast
15 times?

 Does your milita allow homosexuals and Satanists?

Best Regards,

Vincent

Daily Talmudic Quote:

"A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah


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On Fri, 1 Nov 96 2:48:08 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846796685$16007@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>
>>Well, jrs, why don't you go over to soc.culture.African-American or
>>"alt.non-white"?  I'm sure your beloved darkies would love to hear
>>from you!!  You evidently like diversity so much, why aren't you over
>>THERE with your own kind rather than wasting your time in the militia
>>group?  
>
>He's welcome here, little brianazi, you are the one who is completely
>unwelcome.  I find your fears of multicultural groups a never ending
>source of amusement little netnazi...blind panic is so much fun to watch
>in a nazi...
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Really? I suppose that you must be awful mad that we spoiled your
little pat-on-the-back session? 

 That's right, Arlin accepts all people, except the ones he doesn't
accept. For some reason I find a paradox here.

Best Regards,

Vincent

Daily Talmudic Quote:

"A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah


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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 8:03:55 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846651036$5303@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>She's gonna make the militia safe for queers and freaks!
>
>no, no, little netnazi, I keep telling you, all the freaks are members of
>the various white supremacist movements...
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Once again, I ask you the following:

 Does you militia accept homosexuals and Satanists? 

This is a yes or no question. Your continued attempt to dodge this
question is the reason I have to keep posing it.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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Subject: Re: Israel-Palestine
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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 21:35:15 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846527622$24361@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> But, what troubles me most about all this is that we support Israel
>>with money and military aid and allow people loyal to them so serve in
>>our government and military. It seems a little scary...if you ask me.
>
>Good!  it probably scares the daylights out of your allies as well.  Good
>again!  The Israelis are an excellent example of how to deal with those
>who would impose their will on us by force of arms, such as the various
>white supremacist movements in this country.  Take a lesson, billynazi,
>take a lesson.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 The hypocrite speaks!! What is claimed to be an example of "evil"
when refering to Germans is an example of "excellent" tactic when used
by Jews. 

 Amazing.

Best Regards...hypocrite.

Vincent

Daily Talmudic Quote:

"A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah


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Subject: Re: Israel-Palestine
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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 22:03:43 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

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>In article <846527622$24361@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>I read a book called the "Other Side of Deception" which was written
>>by a former member of the Israeli Mossad (Secret police). In the book
>>he points out many examples of torture, mass deportation, mass
>>arrests, racism and hatred by Jews against Palestinians. On eof the
>>most horrid examples was the use of Arabs for Israeli military medical
>>experiments.
>
>Even among those of us on the left you won't find too many supporters of
>Israel, Bok, and we don't even need blaney about atrocities for that
>conclusion. So what's your point? Just trying to hide from the proven
>-fact- that National Alliance is a proven euro-commie front organization?
>Have some courage. Face the proof.
>
>Mr. Wizard

 Come now Jim, the "left" recieves how much every election from Jewish
interests? But, what do the facts have to do with it?

Best Regards,

Vincent

In The American Hebrew of September 10, 1920 we read:

  "The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains,
of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create
a new order in the world.  What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia ... shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical
forces, become a reality all over the world."



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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 5:18:28 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846638312$4083@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>writes:
>
>>In article <846622984$3050@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>>writes:
>>
>>>Mr. Wizard, the fine promoter of the communist dream of
>>>egalitarianism!!  
>>
>>egalitarianism? Like in equal opportunity for all? Yes. And proud of it,
>>too. Do you have a problem with that?
>
>why of course he does, Wiz!  none of the little netnazis could ever hope
>to accomplish anything on *merit*!  that's why they're nazis...sheesh!
>
>Arlin Adams


 Another pat-on-the-back session Arlin? 

Best Regards

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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On Tue, 29 Oct 96 3:18:14 GMT, bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton
Kleim) wrote:

>
>Mike Vanderboegh asked me as a personal favor to investigate what was
>going on here, and possibly take action.  Unfortunately, I have little
>interest in sustained "warfare" with Net renegades of any variety, since I
>have much more important things in my life to attend to than deal with the
>world's kooks. 
>
>However, I'll offer this:
>
>Last time I checked, MAM was a moderated group with a very clear purpose. 
>The garbage being injected _solely_ to disrupt the legitimate and proper
>objectives of this group must be dealt with swiftly and totally.  The
>simplest way to do this is to refuse to approve such postings.  Any and
>all trash posts from White Power fans should be deleted without
>consideration. 
>
>Now I know some people will complain this is censorship.  I disagree,
>heartily.  MAM is a forum for the discussion of militia issues, not race,
>not gun control, not most of the issues (non-issues?) which are being
>"discussed" presently.  One does not try to hold a circus in a library
>reading room and then sanely scream censorship.
>
>The tactics presently being used on MAM by National Alliance members and
>allies were developed from the very tactics I employed and refined to
>_disrupt newsgroup discussions, leading to publicity generation_.  Read
>that again.  The present infiltration, for those who do not already
>recognize it, is to _disrupt_ MAM, not to disseminate views, leading to
>media attention. 
>
>When I was doing my pernicious work for the "movement," there was one
>thing I hated most: 
>
>A good moderator.
>
>Deal with them...in the most effective way.
>
>-- Milton John Kleim, Jr.

 I hear that the world is a small place. I hope it is.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
                        Benjamin Franklin


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From: AHABIZ@aol.com
To: thebok@dreamon.com
cc: Mo10Cav@aol.com
Subject: Re: Spotlight on McKinney: No Nazis or Racists welcome here !

In article <846540240$25596@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
writes:
>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.

>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  
>While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, 
>a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, 
>and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say 
>what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you 
>would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves 
>only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* 
>warning you are likely to receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 It seems that Arlin and his band of Neo-Marxist "New" 
Constitutional (tm) leader types have finally realized that they they
are defeated. Again, this is the end result of having politicians for
leaders and not men of honour. I wish I could say differently. I never
thought I would see the day when so-called milita leaders like Arlin
would lie about their beliefs and sided with Marxist Socialist types
like Wiz like a bunch of media whores. It is truly a shame to see
these so-called leaders having more in common with the openly Marxist
types than with traditional Nationalists. It shows the depths that the
militia leadership has sunk to in their quest for a "mainstream"
membership. They have thrown all sense of honour over-board and have
begun to play the media game.

 I wanted to post your letter Arlin for all to see. Your ideas are
either lies or are failures and your leading your own people into this
failure with you. Threats are the only weapon you have left.
 
 What I said above is fact. You are purposely leading people to
believe that Whites in the milita have no racial motivations. As I
stated before, I know many milita men and they are as racially
patriotic as I am. Feelings of racial pride and solidarity are a
natural part of a healthy persons make up. Wanting self-determination
for your own people and the willingness to fight fot these ideas are
one of the main reasons people join the militas. 

 I have stated before that these new milita leaders who are selling
out for the camera are helping membership in the National Alliance,
but in all reality, the National Alliance is the logic step for people
who understand that race and nation are one. We are the future and
Arlin knows it.

  Are militia men going to fight to preserve the gettoes that we pay
for with our tax dollars? Do you think the militias are going to fight
to preserve our virtually open boarder to the South so that Mexicans
can invade our Southern States and displace White Americans? Do you
think the militias are going to fight to preserve the Jewish ownership
of the midea which has been pushing anti-Americanism and teaching
White children to feel guily for being White? Are militia men going to
fight to preserve our failed justice and education systems, where
politics by riot and special privilige prevail? Will militia men fight
to preserve the re-writing of American history to fit the new
multi-cultural agenda? In short, will they fight for the one race, one
nation, boarderless utopia that Arlin has been pushing which are the
end result of his ideas or will they fight for self determination? 

 Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer.
It's time to start taking America back now!

http://www.natvan.com


I wanted to repost this since it has mysteriously disappeaared.

Best Regards  to all.

Vincent


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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 21:48:44 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>The Bok wrote:
>> 
>> Return-Path: 
>> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:43:16 -0500
>> From: AHABIZ@aol.com
>> To: thebok@dreamon.com
>> cc: Mo10Cav@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Spotlight on McKinney: No Nazis or Racists welcome here !
>> 
>> In article <846540240$25596@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>> writes:
>> >> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>> >>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>> >>as well as many others.
>> 
>> >I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.
>> >While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole,
>> >a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not,
>> >and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say
>> >what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you
>> >would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves
>> >only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only*
>> >warning you are likely to receive.
>> >
>> >Arlin H. Adams
>>  
>>  Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer.
>> It's time to start taking America back now!
>
>Any time, anywhere, concentric circle-boy...
>
(In my best Beavis voice)

 "Are you threatening me?"
	-Beavis

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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On Fri, 1 Nov 96 14:03:15 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846706720$9467@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> Libertarianism is a sickness. A more palitable Marxist dream world.
>
>LOL!  woo hoo!  that thumping sound we all just heard was old Karl
>spinning wildly in his grave!  You really don't have a clue as to what
>Libertarianism stands for, do you billynazi?  We are polar opposite of the
>marxists in terms of individual liberty and governmental control...sheesh!
>

 And are Marxism's lap dogs in terms of Equality and the Brotherhood
of Man. Open the boarders Arlin, Internationalize the world.

>>>In article <846464593$21185@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>>>writes:
>>>
>>>>>[translation: doggone it these militia guys keep quoting the REAL
>>>>>Constitution...gotta do something about that!  when we nazis have all
>>>>>the guns and all the money and all the power, we'll get rid of that
>>>>>stupid piece of paper and then the Constituon will be whatever we say it is.]
>>>>
>>>> Why lie about your intent? Would the real Arlin please stand up? You
>>>>have been lying and purposely misrepresenting yourself on this sub.
>>>
>>>LOL! Let's try this again, billynazi - you claimed that I 'worship a
>>>piece of paper' because I defend the Constitution.  Which of course means that
>>>you are fearful of the fact that I, and all members of the
>>>Constitutional Militias are in fact sworn to preserve, protect and defend the
>>>Constitution against all enemies, foriegn or domestic (you fall in the
>>>latter category).  When you vainly attempted to twist the meaning of the
>>>Constitution in a sad attempt to justify your racism, I called you on
>>>it. It's that simple.  

>> No, what I said was:
>>
>>" What Arlin's problem seems to be is a lack of respect for the intent
>>of the Constitution and a narrow-minded obsession with a piece of
>>paper in the National Achives. 
>>
>> Following Arlin's logic, if a new amendment  passes which took away
>>rights, he would follow it and defend it. What if the Amendment struck
>>down the Bill of Rights? "
>
>As I pointed out, this question has no more validity than if you were to
>ask what would happen if gravity reversed itself.  This sort of nonsense
>question may make sense to you, but not to the rest of us.

 Incorrect. My question is very valid. I could use numerous examples
but gun control would be the best. The question will be simple for
you:

 If an Amendment was added to the Constitution which repealed the
Second Amendment, would you turn in your gun and support the
Constitution?

>> Which of course, you did not answer. It is the intent of the
>>Constitution, not after-market add ons written by traitors. You
>>yourself stated:
>>
>>""We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of
>>
>>their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
>>this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
>>importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
>>TODAY.  not, as you would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied
>>through the prejudices and mistakes of the founders, BUT in it's clear
>>and ideal form, carried forward these two hundred and twenty years and
>>incorporating all that has been learned in that time."
>>
>> In short, you intend to interpret the Constitution to fit into your
>>Mulit-Racial gloabal utopia. 
>
>No, billynazi, as I've said before, we interpret the Constitution as it
>is, while you try to twist and distort it in a vain attempt to justify
>your racism, nothing more or less.  That you cannot see that is *your*
>problem, and I will continue to remind you that it is *your* problem every
>time you bring this up.  Also, I have said nothing about "global"
>anything, but have instead noted all along that the Constitution is an
>*American* document which delineates certain fundamental rights of ALL
>*Americans*.  This is what you, in your racist ignorance attempt to
>obfuscate and that sort of obfuscation simply will not be allowed here. 
>Period.

 No. you intend to interpret the Constitution according to what you
its "clear and ideal form". What is this clear and Ideal form? Clear
to who? You? Are you now going to interpret the Constitution? Why not
Jim (Wiz)? Why not me? 

 Your statement that I "would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied
through the prejudices and mistakes of the founders" shows a clear
bias against the IDEALS which form the Constitution. Again, you are
obsessed with paper and not ideas. 

 Which mistakes are these and which prejudices? Are you claiming that
you hold no prejudice yourself? None? 

>> I have read every message you have ever posted. Additionally, I have
>>all of them saved and cataloged. I have reviewed again all the message
>>threads in question and found you AGAIN to be a lier. 
>
>guess what, billynazi?  nobody believes you.  nobody.  you see first off
>there were many witnesses to the debat from which you pulled that
>decontextualized quote.  Secondly, you've already proven you cannot follow
>complex premises, and thirdly, we've seen just *how* fearful you are of
>me, that you continue your blind attacks in the face of logical rebuttal. 
>Oh, and as I've pointed out in the past, you are still misspelling a word
>in your previous paragraph, which you would not have done had you even
>read all of my posts to *you*, much less "every message" I've ever
>written.  Though I must say I'm somewhat honored by all the attention....

 Then please, take a single quote and point me to the truth in
DejaNews. Are you now retracting your statements? 

>> Your positions change with who you are talikng to . It is very easy
>>to show your inconsistencies. You are simply inconsistent by nature it
>>seems, which is a nice way of stating again that you are a lier.
>
>LOL!  This is exactly what I mean!  you cannot follow complex premises.

 LOL! I cannot allow your to say one thing to one person and another
thing to another person. You are a hypocrite and a liar. You make a
good politician...Clinton, I mean Arlin.

>>>Ah well, if nothing else, this once again demonstrates the shoddy level
>>>of research normally practiced by you and your fellow nazis.  I realize
>>>such is acceptable in your own circles, but it most decidedly is NOT going to
>>>pass muster around here.  We hold ourselves to higher standards...of
>>>course you've probably noticed that already.
>>
>> Point one: false. I have completely reviewed your debate and I stand
>>by my statements of fact.
>
>again, this, combined with your inability to spell the word "liar" which
>spelling error of yours I corrected in a previous post to you, not only
>show that you cannot be trusted to grasp complex premises, but also that
>you cannot be trusted to tell the truth.  You've just documented your
>little netnazi perfidity in front of the world, billynazi, and we're all
>laughing and pointing at you again!  really!  LOL!

 Spelling is all the you've got? By the way, liar did look wrong,
thank you. But, you would be an expert on the word.

 Again, I stand by my statements. You are a hypocrite and a liar.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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On Mon, 4 Nov 96 17:03:32 GMT, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
wrote:

>
>In message <847046883$12017@atype.com> - Lissa Valerian edu> writes:
>:>
>:>
>:>
>:>On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, The Bok wrote:
>:>
>:>>
>:>>  Once again, I ask you the following:
>:>>
>:>>  Does you militia accept homosexuals and Satanists?
>:>>
>:>
>:>
>:>1.  What do those two: gays and satanists have to do with each other?
>:>
>:>2.  If you knew anything about satanism, you yourself know that it is
>:>antithetical to the constitutional militia movement?
>
>
>A little less obsfucation. Please just answer the question.

Ian,

 Don't expect him to. He is a coward and a liar anyway. 

 I think the word "hypocrite" is a good general decription of Arlin.


Best Regards

Vincent


"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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On Sun, 3 Nov 96 3:03:26 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846966912$5440@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>>[translation:  the notional appliance doesn't have any normal people in
>>>it - we screen them out right away!]
>>
>>
>>
>> Adhominem. Once again you show your lack of interest in an honest
>>discussion and relegate logic to the Arlin dung-heap.
>
>
>
>oh heavens no, little billynazi - first off, if you netnazis are
>representative of your kind, then you have not a normal person in the lot.
> Secondly, we are all well aware that you do not seek to debate but to
>disrupt...that you have been caught at this, is your problem.  That you
>are unsuccessfully attempting to lie your way out of this, is also your
>problem.  Little netnazi, why do you think your masters wont help you? 
>Why do you think they just leave you hanging out here, while we make you
>look like fools in front of the world?  How does you feel, knowing how
>little they value you and your efforts?  What does it feel like to know
>that you give unquestioning loyalty to those who hold you in such low
>esteem?


 Adhominem. Since you have been proven to be a liar and hypocrite,
your concept of "normal" is far from reliable. It is like asking a
criminal to define whether his actions are illigal.

 Adhominem again. From the beginning I have attempted to discuss
issues but these efforts are only met with name caliing and simple
argumentitive adhominem. 

 Look like fools? I suppose if your pat-on-the-back brigade thinks
name calling is a victory, then I guess you win.

 "How does you feel", I don't know, how does(sic) I feel?

 And so it goes. Adhominem, name-calling and lies. 

 I guess in under your "rules", this is another victory, no? 

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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Subject: Re: Question to Militia-Types: WHO are the TRUE patriots?
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On Sun, 3 Nov 96 3:03:36 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846967703$5538@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>I think Sir John Harrington said it best in 1600:
>>
>>"Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason?  For if it prosper,
>>none dare call it treason."
>
>well, billynazi, that certainly explains how the nazis rose to power in
>Germany...and because we are aware of that, we in the Constitutional
>Militias will NEVER allow you to attempt the same thing here.


 How do you reconcile that statement with the fact that Social
Democracy was Ulta-Socialism? I suppose the "treason" you are accusing
the "nazis" of is treason against Communism?  

 As I have said before, your concept of "right" is dubious since you
are known to be a liar and a hypocrite. You support homosexual rights
and allow satanists in your milita. Instead of answering simply
questions, you pawn your freaks off on us, as if that is a "good
answer". 

 You are a fool, hypocrite and a liar. Therefor, your concept of
treason should be considered a badge of honour.


Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 20:19:50 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <846525784$24080@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>>In article <846172995$29536@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>>>writes:
>>>
>>>>You've also universally failed to prove you aren't commies.
>>>
>>>No, no, they are Aryan-Trotskyites.  
>>>
>>>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>>>
>>
>>
>>And you are delusional.
>
>Well I will accept being delusional if you admit you are an
>Aryan-Trotskyite.


 Why should entertain your psychosis? 

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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On Sat, 2 Nov 96 23:48:34 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>
>
>In article <846975812$6166@atype.com>, AnnDaltyn  wrote:
>>
>>In article <846861494$20890@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:
>>
>>>In article <846843484$19817@atype.com>, Brian Smith 
>>>wrote:
>>>>This is inaccurate.  There are Whites of EVERY White sub-ethnicity in
>>>>the ALLIANCE:  Nordics, Mediterraneans, Alpines, Dinarics, and
>>>>Baltics.  The National Alliance is a Pan-Aryan organization.  It
>>>>stands for those of European descent WHEREVER they may be found!
>>>
>>> Wow, Nordics, Baltics, Dinarics.  What about Hooked on Phonics?
>>
>>Yeah yeah Mike and Lions and Tiger and bears.. oh my...    Were you
>>threatened by the fact that you had to look these things up and might be
>>ashamed that you could be a member of one of these sub-ethnicities and not
>>know your own identity.
>>
>>BTW the Hooked on Phonic program is a very good one.
>
>Yeah, and so is Amway, I'm sure.
>
>As to my ethnicity and identity, I am an African-Asian-Native
>American-European-Australian-Indian-Pacific 
>Islander-Jewish-Catholic-Protestant-Atheist-Muslim-Buddhist-Hindu-straight-
>gay-bisexual-AMERICAN.
>
>And proud of it!


 It seems that every one has forgotten why I started this topic. Alrin
uses threats and intimidation against me and no one protests? 

 Mark, I would think that this would be a classic case for you, but I
guess freedom and my protection from illegal threats doesn't make your
humanitarian conscience.

Best Regards,

Vincent



"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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On Mon, 4 Nov 96 0:18:19 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846821073$18423@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>> As is pointed out to him ad infinitum, White Nationalism
>>REJECTS egalitarianism, is AGAINST gun control, and has NOTHING TO DO
>>with any workers' revolt.  
>
>then why wont you even attempt to counter any of the points Wiz has made
>in his posts concerning the gross similarities between your beloved
>notional appliance and the communists, little ianazi?  People are really
>beginning to believe that you may not have any answers for them...is that
>so?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Actually, this NG is not the place for the long answers anymore.
Hell, I can't even get you to use short answers to yes or no
questions.

 The simple fact is that I am not a capitalist. Capitalism is a system
of exploitation of the working class. Communism-Socialism-Marxism is
exploitation of the owners and managers of industry. 

 If we were to look at the National Socialist system of Germany
(1933-1945), government worked for all classes and not one against the
other. It mediated diputes between management and worker and never
allowed exploitation of either class.
 
 One of the key's to Germany's success was that the country had a
common unifying cause. After it became known that exploitation was no
longer allowed, Germans of all classes began to work together as a
team. They had pride in their work and pride in themselves. Germany
prospered because everyone received a fair wage and those who were
gifted rose to the top by virtue of merit. One could become rich, but
one could not under pay their employees. 

 I could take apart Jim's posts piece by piece, but he is not my
concern. My concern in so-called leaders like yourself who push your
garbage of diversity. You are leading good people with you into a
third world hell and I am proud to be your enemy.

 Best Regards,

Vincent



"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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>I do not make threats, billynazi, for threats are merely empty gestures. 
>I give warnings, which since you have no concept of fair warning you
>wouldn't understand, and I make *promises*.  Now that you have, by virtue
>of posting it, acknowledged receipt of my fair warning, that was all that
>was neccessary.  I know you don't understand that, but perhaps in time you
>will learn.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Due to the use of threats and intimidation, Arlin has shown that he
is incapable of sharing this NG with others. He is also a threat to
free and open discussion of milita related topics. Therefor, I ask the
moderator to ban Arlin.

Best Regards,

Vincent





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On Sun, 3 Nov 96 17:34:44 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <847001914$10115@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>Rather, YOU you should go over and fight for Israel, since blasting
>>the tops of Palestinian children's heads off with Uzis is an activity
>>you so sacredly defend is Israel's divine privilege!
>
>I see, little brianazi, so then you believe that the Palestinians have
>reserved the right to the suicide bombing of commuter busses, eh?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Huh? So the collective punishment of innocent children has what to do
with suicide bombings'?

Best Regards,

Vincent


>From  the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188
by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel)

 "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the
paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the
commander of the military police post on the base.

 At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to
carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the
time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short
skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which
the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time,
even if they were  taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the
radio so no one would await their  return. That is where I would come
in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a
holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small town of Tel Aviv. I'd always
assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all
knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive,
but brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had
convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area.
 
 It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It
was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic,
bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological
scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were
so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an
all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no
room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this
reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the
scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast
they worked and make them more efficient.

 What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the
fact that was taking place but rather the clamness and understanding
with which I accepted it."


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On Sun, 3 Nov 96 3:03:46 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846967715$5566@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>On Thu, 31 Oct 96 20:20:52 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <846723785$11449@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>>>writes:
>>>
>>>>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
>>>
>>>once again, the nazis are reduced to whining to each other in a corner.
>>>
>>>Arlin H. Adams
>>>
>>
>> And once again you are reduced to adhominem attacks.
>
>au contraire, little billynazi - one of your little netnazi standard
>strategies is to try to fool casual observers into thinking that you are
>other than intruders in a newsgroup - you do this by talking to each other
>here, rather than in your own newsgroups.  Moreover you are *forced* to do
>this in our newsgroup because you can find *no one* who will agree with
>you other than your fellow netnazis.

 Adhominem. No one is an "intruder" here. This NG is for the
discussion of issues relating to militias, therefor, except for our
disagreements, we are just as much a part as you. If I choose to hold
an entire conversation with Ian about milita issues, what the hell do
you have to do with it? You can join in, I welcome you. This is the
difference between "you" brand of free thought and mine. I understand
that everyone doesn't agreewith me on everything and therefor I am
willing to hear all sides of an issue. You, on the other hand, fear a
free exchange of ideas. Your use of "intruders" in telling.

 
>> While we are
>>talking, how about answering the question I've now asked you atleast
>>15 times?
>
>already have, twice - look for it in dejanews, now, when are you going to
>tell me what sized shoes you wear and where you were between the 13th and
>the 18th of April 1995?  Enquiring minds want to know!


 Since I have all of your posts cataloged, I think I am now an Arlin
expert. Where the break down in communication between us lies, is in
the fact that you infer an answer rather than answering. I have not
gotten a straight answer out of you yet. 

 Here is an example:

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 Are these answers? Your nothing more than a two-bit media whore
politician. The question is very straight forward. Do you yes, or do
your no, accept homosexuals and satanists and members of your militia?

 
 Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  



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On Sun, 3 Nov 96 18:48:03 GMT, Lissa Valerian
 wrote:

>
>
>On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, The Bok wrote:
>
>>
>>  Once again, I ask you the following:
>>
>>  Does you militia accept homosexuals and Satanists?
>>
>
>
>1.  What do those two: gays and satanists have to do with each other?
>
>2.  If you knew anything about satanism, you yourself know that it is
>antithetical to the constitutional militia movement?


 Lisa,

 Then I see you are in disagreement with Arlin. Arlin has clearly
stated that he supports the rights of homosexuals as much as any other
group. He also has supported the rights of ALL religions, not just
Christians and Jews. 

 He is your can of worms and it is so-called militia leaders like him
which will be the down fall of the militias. No normal health family
man/woman would want enything to do with homos, perverts, satanists
and various other social freaks. Arlin believes that these freaks have
the same rights and sould be accepted.  He even boasted about having
gays in his group:

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units"

 In other words Lisa, he is exactly what I have been calling him: a
traitor.

Best Regards

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 9:34:21 GMT
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>I do not make threats, billynazi, for threats are merely empty gestures. 
>I give warnings, which since you have no concept of fair warning you
>wouldn't understand, and I make *promises*.  Now that you have, by virtue
>of posting it, acknowledged receipt of my fair warning, that was all that
>was neccessary.  I know you don't understand that, but perhaps in time you
>will learn.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Due to the use of threats and intimidation, Arlin has shown that he
is incapable of sharing this NG with others. He is also a threat to
free and open discussion of milita related topics. Therefor, I ask the
moderator to ban Arlin.

Best Regards,

Vincent





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On Sun, 3 Nov 96 6:33:08 GMT, daddison@lville.mindspring.com (Don
Addison) wrote:

>
>sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) wrote:
>
>
>>daddison@lville.mindspring.com (Don Addison) wrote:
>
>>>>>http://www.mindspring.com/~daddison
>
>>>>That's funny.  India used to be an Aryan country.
>
>>>>Go figure.
>
>>>>Brian Smith
>>>>www.natall.com
>
>>>Lemme see Brian. India was an Aryan country. Aryans migrated north to
>>>northern Europe, while some stayed in India. Hence your "kin" evolved
>>>into the blonde haired, blue eyed race we know today. Therefore you
>>>and the little brown skinned guys in India share a common heritage and
>>>bloodline. In other words you have cousins in India worshipping Shiva
>>>and Kali right now, and your precious bloodline is tainted with brown,
>>>Indo-Aryan-European blood.
>
>>(laughing harder than I've EVER laughed on M.A.M.!)   You have it
>>REVERSED, Mr. Addison.  The Nordic invaders were ALREADY blonde and
>>blue-eyed.   AFTER they mixed with non-Whites, then they turned brown.
>
>
>>Please tell me you were joking?
>
>>Brian Smith
>>www.natall.com
>
>
>You just don't get the idea of history do you? Your precious Aryan
>ancestors migrated from India TO Europe. After a few thousand years,
>the dark pigments in their disappeared because they were no longer
>needed to protect them from the hot Indian sun. This is when Aryans
>became blonde and blue eyed. You are just a few generations down the
>family tree (and maybe 1 generation out of the trees) from your brown
>ancestors. 


 Wrong. The Sumerians were "goths" from Northern Europe who swept the
world in a wave on conquest. The Sumerian art of even the earliest
period shows blue eyes and blonde hair represented in sculpture and
paintings. They also followed brought with them their religion and
culture. This is an established fact.

 Quoting from page 3 of "The makers of civilization in race and
history", I quote:

 "This new evidence proved conclusively that the Sumerians were Aryans
in physical type, culture, religion, language and writing; ad that
they were our own kith and kin, living onder our Aryan
civilization and laws and speaking radically the sam tongue.
 "Their Aryan racial physical type I showed was clearly seen in their
portaits on their own contemporary sculpures and seals from the
earliest period downwards, and it is especially evident in the
engraved portraits on their seals. This disclosed them to be
preponderatingly of the longish-headed, broad-browed and large brained
Nordic type; and they were obviously fair in complexion as attested by
the blue eyes of the white shell inlaid with lapis and lazuli stone
inset in some of their statues, as also by the darkish colour
of much of their jewellery; and of fair hair, as their general term
for their subjected people was "the black-headed (haired) people." And
the Kings and officials on state occasions usually wore the Gothic
horned head-dress of the ancient Britons and Anglo-Saxons. This Aryan
physical type of the Sumerians has has significantly been confirmed
since (1927) Sir Arthur Keith's examination of several skulls
unearthed from Sumerian cemeteries at Ur."

Quote from Sir Arthur Keith:
 "They (the Sumerians) certainly belong to the same racial division of
mankind as the nations of Europe, they are scions of the Caucasian
stock. There is no edivence of the presence of any people of Mongol
affinities, nor of any showing the characteristics Armenoid form of
head"  (HWU. 215).


Continued from "The makers of civilization in race and history":

 "Linguistically also, I proved that the Sumerian language was
radically Aryan in its words and structure, and that it was the parent
of all the Aryan family languages, ancient and modern, as demonstrated
in my Sumer-Aryan Dictonary. And in particular it was the parent of
the English language, over seventy-five per cent. of the English words
being shown to be erived from Sumerian roots with identical forms,
sounds and meanings. The Aryan Alphabets, including the
European or "Roman" writing, I demonstrated in my "Aryan Origin of the
Alphabet" to be derived from Sumerian picture-writing wit the same
phonetics.
 Culture and Religion also of the Sumreians, I showed were identical
with the Aryan, and th Sumerians worshipped the same god or gods under
the same names and under the same representations with the same
attributes and symbols as the Aryans, ancient and modern, including
the Britons, Irish Scots, Scandinavians, classic Greeks and Romans in
pre-Christain Europe, and in presentday India. And they possessed the
same heroes and saints."


 But what point are you trying to infer anway? It seems your are
simply looking to make up anything in an attempt to anger people. 

 Best Regards,

Vincent


"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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On Fri, 1 Nov 96 22:33:23 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <846710283$10115@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>I think you had a dispute over whether Beria was a Jew:
>>
>>"Beria, the new addition to the Council of People's Commissars of Russia,
>>like many other recent proteges of the Kaganovich family, is Jewish.  The
>>increasing Jewish character of the Bolshevik regime is said to explain
>it's
>>growing anti-German measures."  
>>
>>Chicago Tribune, January 5, 1939, by Correspondent Donald Day at Riga,
>>Latvia.
>
>Hey Ian try and cite a source that isn't expressing a personal opinion or
>indicating possible anti-semite attitudes.  I know nothing about Donald
>Day, but I do know from my own research that western reporters didn't know
>their ass from a hole in the ground concerning Soviet politics in the
>1930s.  Besides another reason I doubt that Beria is jewish is that Stalin
>(a well known anti-semite) would have never appointed him to run their
>native Georgia from 1932-1938, much less than head the dreaded NKVD.   
>
>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>

 Simply go to your local library and look up the reference book "Who's
who in World Jewry" published by the World Jewish something or
another. Take the names of the people and the book will list their
real names and what they did in their lives. A very good reference.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 20:20:30 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <846436683$18452@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
>> As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.
>
>Just what member of Congress introduced this information?
>
>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>


 Coming from a guy who investigates x-files charecters, I think you
could spend some of your fee time researching the future of your
country. But, I will find out the answer and get back to you soon.

"Has any one noticed that many who are close to Scully end up dead?
Her father, her sister, now her dog.  So now we see in the next
episode that something turns people into killers and Scully is
infected and threatens Mulder."
	
 	Randy Ragsdale on what's important in life.

Best Regards,

Vincent


"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.

>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  
>While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, 
>a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, 
>and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say 
>what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you 
>would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves 
>only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* 
>warning you are likely to receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 It seems that Arlin and his band of Neo-Marxist "New" 
Constitutional (tm) leader types have finally realized that they they
are defeated. Again, this is the end result of having politicians for
leaders and not men of honour. I wish I could say differently. I never
thought I would see the day when so-called milita leaders like Arlin
would lie about their beliefs and sided with Marxist Socialist types
like Wiz like a bunch of media whores. It is truly a shame to see
these so-called leaders having more in common with the openly Marxist
types than with traditional Nationalists. It shows the depths that the
militia leadership has sunk to in their quest for a "mainstream"
membership. They have thrown all sense of honour over-board and have
begun to play the media game.

 I wanted to post your letter Arlin for all to see. Your ideas are
either lies or are failures and your leading your own people into this
failure with you. Threats are the only weapon you have left.
 
 What I said above is fact. You are purposely leading people to
believe that Whites in the milita have no racial motivations. As I
stated before, I know many milita men and they are as racially
patriotic as I am. Feelings of racial pride and solidarity are a
natural part of a healthy persons make up. Wanting self-determination
for your own people and the willingness to fight fot these ideas are
one of the main reasons people join the militas. 

 I have stated before that these new milita leaders who are selling
out for the camera are helping membership in the National Alliance,
but in all reality, the National Alliance is the logic step for people
who understand that race and nation are one. We are the future and
Arlin knows it.

  Are militia men going to fight to preserve the gettoes that we pay
for with our tax dollars? Do you think the militias are going to fight
to preserve our virtually open boarder to the South so that Mexicans
can invade our Southern States and displace White Americans? Do you
think the militias are going to fight to preserve the Jewish ownership
of the midea which has been pushing anti-Americanism and teaching
White children to feel guily for being White? Are militia men going to
fight to preserve our failed justice and education systems, where
politics by riot and special privilige prevail? Will militia men fight
to preserve the re-writing of American history to fit the new
multi-cultural agenda? In short, will they fight for the one race, one
nation, boarderless utopia that Arlin has been pushing which are the
end result of his ideas or will they fight for self determination? 

 Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer.
It's time to start taking America back now!

http://www.natvan.com


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On Wed, 30 Oct 96 21:48:44 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>The Bok wrote:
>> 
>> Return-Path: 
>> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:43:16 -0500
>> From: AHABIZ@aol.com
>> To: thebok@dreamon.com
>> cc: Mo10Cav@aol.com
>> Subject: Re: Spotlight on McKinney: No Nazis or Racists welcome here !
>> 
>> In article <846540240$25596@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>> writes:
>> >> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>> >>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>> >>as well as many others.
>> 
>> >I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.
>> >While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole,
>> >a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not,
>> >and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say
>> >what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you
>> >would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves
>> >only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only*
>> >warning you are likely to receive.
>> >
>> >Arlin H. Adams
>>  
>>  Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer.
>> It's time to start taking America back now!
>
>Any time, anywhere, concentric circle-boy...
>
(In my best Beavis voice)

 "Are you threatening me?"
	-Beavis

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.

>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  
>While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, 
>a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, 
>and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say 
>what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you 
>would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves 
>only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* 
>warning you are likely to receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 I suppose the nerve I touched was the media nerve. The media nerve is
the central nervous system of a media whore politician who bases all
of his opinions on media sentiment. 

 Arlin like many other self-styled "leaders" have supported everything
>from  homosexuality to satanism in their attempt to satisfy the Jewish
media God (TM). While Arlin and his type support multi-culturalism and
an open boarder policy which will render America a non-White nation
with a few decades, the National Alliance will work for the interests
of White Americans.

 So my fellow Americans, if you like things the way they are in this
country, don't worry, Arlin will be working hard to ensure you get
more of the diversity, crime, violence, decay and social engineering
that you've grown so accustomed to.

 Best Regards,

Vincent


"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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On Mon, 4 Nov 96 0:18:19 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846821073$18423@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>> As is pointed out to him ad infinitum, White Nationalism
>>REJECTS egalitarianism, is AGAINST gun control, and has NOTHING TO DO
>>with any workers' revolt.  
>
>then why wont you even attempt to counter any of the points Wiz has made
>in his posts concerning the gross similarities between your beloved
>notional appliance and the communists, little ianazi?  People are really
>beginning to believe that you may not have any answers for them...is that
>so?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Actually, this NG is not the place for the long answers anymore.
Hell, I can't even get you to use short answers to yes or no
questions.

 The simple fact is that I am not a capitalist. Capitalism is a system
of exploitation of the working class. Communism-Socialism-Marxism is
exploitation of the owners and managers of industry. 

 If we were to look at the National Socialist system of Germany
(1933-1945), government worked for all classes and not one against the
other. It mediated diputes between management and worker and never
allowed exploitation of either class.
 
 One of the key's to Germany's success was that the country had a
common unifying cause. After it became known that exploitation was no
longer allowed, Germans of all classes began to work together as a
team. They had pride in their work and pride in themselves. Germany
prospered because everyone received a fair wage and those who were
gifted rose to the top by virtue of merit. One could become rich, but
one could not under pay their employees. 

 I could take apart Jim's posts piece by piece, but he is not my
concern. My concern in so-called leaders like yourself who push your
garbage of diversity. You are leading good people with you into a
third world hell and I am proud to be your enemy.

 Best Regards,

Vincent



"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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Subject: Re: Arlin Isuues Physical Threats.
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On Sat, 2 Nov 96 23:48:34 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

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>
>In article <846975812$6166@atype.com>, AnnDaltyn  wrote:
>>
>>In article <846861494$20890@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes:
>>
>>>In article <846843484$19817@atype.com>, Brian Smith 
>>>wrote:
>>>>This is inaccurate.  There are Whites of EVERY White sub-ethnicity in
>>>>the ALLIANCE:  Nordics, Mediterraneans, Alpines, Dinarics, and
>>>>Baltics.  The National Alliance is a Pan-Aryan organization.  It
>>>>stands for those of European descent WHEREVER they may be found!
>>>
>>> Wow, Nordics, Baltics, Dinarics.  What about Hooked on Phonics?
>>
>>Yeah yeah Mike and Lions and Tiger and bears.. oh my...    Were you
>>threatened by the fact that you had to look these things up and might be
>>ashamed that you could be a member of one of these sub-ethnicities and not
>>know your own identity.
>>
>>BTW the Hooked on Phonic program is a very good one.
>
>Yeah, and so is Amway, I'm sure.
>
>As to my ethnicity and identity, I am an African-Asian-Native
>American-European-Australian-Indian-Pacific 
>Islander-Jewish-Catholic-Protestant-Atheist-Muslim-Buddhist-Hindu-straight-
>gay-bisexual-AMERICAN.
>
>And proud of it!


 It seems that every one has forgotten why I started this topic. Alrin
uses threats and intimidation against me and no one protests? 

 Mark, I would think that this would be a classic case for you, but I
guess freedom and my protection from illegal threats doesn't make your
humanitarian conscience.

Best Regards,

Vincent



"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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Subject: Re: Arlin Isuues Physical Threats.
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>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.

>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  
>While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, 
>a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, 
>and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say 
>what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you 
>would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves 
>only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* 
>warning you are likely to receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 It seems that Arlin and his band of Neo-Marxist "New" 
Constitutional (tm) leader types have finally realized that they they
are defeated. Again, this is the end result of having politicians for
leaders and not men of honour. I wish I could say differently. I never
thought I would see the day when so-called milita leaders like Arlin
would lie about their beliefs and sided with Marxist Socialist types
like Wiz like a bunch of media whores. It is truly a shame to see
these so-called leaders having more in common with the openly Marxist
types than with traditional Nationalists. It shows the depths that the
militia leadership has sunk to in their quest for a "mainstream"
membership. They have thrown all sense of honour over-board and have
begun to play the media game.

 I wanted to post your letter Arlin for all to see. Your ideas are
either lies or are failures and your leading your own people into this
failure with you. Threats are the only weapon you have left.
 
 What I said above is fact. You are purposely leading people to
believe that Whites in the milita have no racial motivations. As I
stated before, I know many milita men and they are as racially
patriotic as I am. Feelings of racial pride and solidarity are a
natural part of a healthy persons make up. Wanting self-determination
for your own people and the willingness to fight fot these ideas are
one of the main reasons people join the militas. 

 I have stated before that these new milita leaders who are selling
out for the camera are helping membership in the National Alliance,
but in all reality, the National Alliance is the logic step for people
who understand that race and nation are one. We are the future and
Arlin knows it.

  Are militia men going to fight to preserve the gettoes that we pay
for with our tax dollars? Do you think the militias are going to fight
to preserve our virtually open boarder to the South so that Mexicans
can invade our Southern States and displace White Americans? Do you
think the militias are going to fight to preserve the Jewish ownership
of the midea which has been pushing anti-Americanism and teaching
White children to feel guily for being White? Are militia men going to
fight to preserve our failed justice and education systems, where
politics by riot and special privilige prevail? Will militia men fight
to preserve the re-writing of American history to fit the new
multi-cultural agenda? In short, will they fight for the one race, one
nation, boarderless utopia that Arlin has been pushing which are the
end result of his ideas or will they fight for self determination? 

 Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer.
It's time to start taking America back now!

http://www.natvan.com


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Subject: Re: Israel-Palestine
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On Sun, 3 Nov 96 17:34:44 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <847001914$10115@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>Rather, YOU you should go over and fight for Israel, since blasting
>>the tops of Palestinian children's heads off with Uzis is an activity
>>you so sacredly defend is Israel's divine privilege!
>
>I see, little brianazi, so then you believe that the Palestinians have
>reserved the right to the suicide bombing of commuter busses, eh?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Huh? So the collective punishment of innocent children has what to do
with suicide bombings'?

Best Regards,

Vincent


>From  the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188
by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel)

 "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the
paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the
commander of the military police post on the base.

 At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to
carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the
time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short
skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which
the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time,
even if they were  taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the
radio so no one would await their  return. That is where I would come
in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a
holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small town of Tel Aviv. I'd always
assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all
knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive,
but brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had
convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area.
 
 It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It
was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic,
bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological
scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were
so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an
all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no
room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this
reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the
scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast
they worked and make them more efficient.

 What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the
fact that was taking place but rather the clamness and understanding
with which I accepted it."


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Subject: Arlin issues threats: NA Victorious.
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>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.

>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  
>While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, 
>a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, 
>and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say 
>what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you 
>would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves 
>only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* 
>warning you are likely to receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 I suppose the nerve I touched was the media nerve. The media nerve is
the central nervous system of a media whore politician who bases all
of his opinions on media sentiment. 

 Arlin like many other self-styled "leaders" have supported everything
>from  homosexuality to satanism in their attempt to satisfy the Jewish
media God (TM). While Arlin and his type support multi-culturalism and
an open boarder policy which will render America a non-White nation
with a few decades, the National Alliance will work for the interests
of White Americans.

 So my fellow Americans, if you like things the way they are in this
country, don't worry, Arlin will be working hard to ensure you get
more of the diversity, crime, violence, decay and social engineering
that you've grown so accustomed to.

 Best Regards,

Vincent


"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  

"Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
everybody else? "

"my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more
libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender
independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more
gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the
psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis
will give them considerable leverage.  How does that make you feel
billynazi?"


 -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. 


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GUN CONTROL: Not What It Seems

by Dr. William L. Pierce, Chairman, the National Alliance

(a speech given by Dr. Pierce on the nationwide radio program,
AMERICAN DISSIDENT VOICES, January 29th, 1994)
 
THERE IS HARDLY AN ISSUE which more sharply divides White Americans
than "gun control." There is hardly a more significant difference than
that which exists between the people who want gun control and those
who don't. For there is a great temperamental and ideological divide
between those who believe in self-defense and those who believe in
surrendering and begging for mercy.

Looking at this from the standpoint of temperament: It may seem unfair
to women to categorize the tendency to surrender as feminine and the
tendency to defend oneself as masculine, but at a very fundamental
level this categorization corresponds to real differences between
feminine and masculine natures. Every person has some of the feminine
nature and some of the masculine nature in his character. What we see
today is a much greater than normal manifestation of feminine traits
in men. It is not a pretty sight.

And we can look at this divide from the standpoint of ideology: Except
for a relatively small minority of very sick persons who actually
relish the idea of surrender and fantasize about being victimized,
those who choose to give up their arms are hoping to be protected by
the government. They trust the government. They believe the government
has their best interests at heart. They think of the government as a
friend and generally approve of the government's policies.

This divide becomes deeper and wider by the day. A Black with an
uncontrollable hatred of Whites opens fire on a crowded subway train
in New York, killing five Whites and injuring 17 more. Gun control
advocates see this massacre as support for their position. "A gun
killed and wounded those people," they say. "If we get rid of all the
guns, then Blacks and Whites will not be able to kill each other." And
people on their side of the divide believe them and clamor for the
confiscation of guns. At the same time people on the other side of the
divide rush to gun stores, determined that they will be prepared to
defend themselves if any White-hating Black ever threatens them or
their families.

Now, this divide certainly didn't exist a century ago. Then every
White man was armed, and every woman expected him to be. In that more
civilized age violent crime was a minute fraction of what it is today.
People could walk the streets of their cities at night and, in most
places, leave their doors unlocked without fear. The government
interfered relatively little in people's lives. Most communities had
police, but a man's right to defend himself, his family, and his
property was absolute.

What caused people's attitudes to change so radically?

Well, there are a number of reasons: A century ago the country was
substantially less urban than it is now. People living in small towns
and rural areas always are more self-reliant and independent, on the
average, than city dwellers. Rural people live a little more
naturally, a little closer to Nature. They do not depend on the
elaborate infrastructure of the city, which provides garbage
collection, public transportation, shelters for the homeless, and a
thousand other protections and shields against the natural world. Even
little things, like drawing water from one's own well and chopping
one's own firewood for winter warmth, give one a sense of reality and
self-sufficiency that most urbanites and suburbanites lack. As the
nation's population became more urban during the past century it also
became less self-reliant.

Another reason is that until 1920 only men voted in the United States.
To the extent that politicians and government are responsive to the
feelings of the electorate, the government was much less inclined
before 1920 to assume the role of a protective mother than it was
after women began to vote. Although women voters are by no means
uniform in their sentiments or their voting preferences, they are on
the average substantially more "wet," in the ideological sense, than
men. At the most basic, instinctive level, self-defense is an alien
concept to women, and since 1920 their votes have helped to shift the
burden of personal protection from the individual to the government.

Then there is the fact that in the early years of North American
settlement the flow of immigrants was not only entirely White (not
counting the slaves imported from Africa, of course), but it consisted
of a tougher, more independent breed than in recent years. People came
to America from Europe seeking freedom, adventure, or opportunity; but
certainly no one came looking for a handout, because everyone
understood that there were no handouts available. As the country
became more urban, however, the stream of immigrants began to include
more of the wretched refuse of various teeming shores yearning to
receive welfare checks, and the politicians began looking to the
public treasury as a source of funds for buying votes. The consequence
has been the growth of an urban underclass of citizens dependent on
the government in one way or another: citizens who always are ready to
increase their dependency on the government and to trade freedom for
the promise of more security.

The Mass Media Hate Guns: Here's Why

All three of the factors above have to do with the changing character
of the U.S. electorate, and they are important reasons for the
declining fortunes of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
They are dwarfed to insignificance by a fourth factor, however, and
that factor is the growth in the degree of influence on public opinion
of the Jews through their control of the mass media of information and
entertainment.

Both the Jewish control of the media and the media bias against the
citizen's right to keep and bear arms are generally recognized but
seldom discussed publicly, for fear of the charge of "anti-Semitism."
Also manifest but inadequately publicized is the Jewish leadership of
the legislative drive to restrict or abolish the private ownership of
firearms. The names of the principal anti-Second Amendment legislators
-- Feinstein, Metzenbaum, Schumer -- tell part of the story, and the
anti-gun lobbying organizations, of which the Anti-Defamation League
of B'nai B'rith -- the ADL -- is the most powerful, tell the rest.

When a "group of concerned citizens" or an association of mayors or
chiefs of police issues a statement to the press calling for the
banning of firearms as a way of reducing violence in America's cities,
a close examination nearly always will reveal the hidden hand of the
ADL. Especially insidious has been the ADL's use of local, state, and
federal police agencies as front groups. For the past two decades the
ADL has been lobbying actively for a group of what it calls "model
statutes" restricting firearms ownership and penalizing what it deems
to be "hate crimes" perpetrated by Whites against members of minority
groups. Typically the ADL will have a police official or two in tow
when it shows up at a state legislature to lobby for one of these
politically oriented laws.

The ADL's program to subvert police departments was revealed in late
1992 when a San Francisco police inspector, Thomas Gerard, was
arrested for illegally selling confidential police investigative files
to the ADL. Police searches of ADL offices in San Francisco and Los
Angeles in April of last year turned up evidence of widespread
corruption of police agencies around the country by the ADL. Brave
indeed is the local police chief who will turn away an ADL emissary
who visits his office with a couple of the community's leading Jewish
businessmen and requests the chief's endorsement of a "model statute"
banning semiautomatic firearms.

Now, far less obvious than the fact of Jewish leadership of the drive
to ban the private ownership of firarms is the reason for this Jewish
activity. The reason is the so-called "New World Order," a subject
I've spoken about several times before on American Dissident Voices.
To put it very briefly, the New World Order is a utopian system in
which the U.S. economy will be "globalized," the wage levels of U.S.
workers will be brought down to those of workers in the Third World,
national boundaries will for all practical purposes cease to exist, an
increased flow of Third World immigrants into the United States will
have produced a non-White majority in the country, and United Nations
"peace keeping" forces will be used to keep anyone from opting out of
the system.

To be sure, Jews are not the only ones behind this scheme for a New
World Order. It appeals to egalitarians, many of them Christians, who
are tormented by the fact that most of the population of the Third
World lives in a state of perpetual squalor and poverty. They really
believe that the unfavorable condition of these non-White masses is
not due to any innate inferiority. They really believe that these
masses can and should be lifted up to a White level, and that it's
worth pulling the White living standard down in order to equalize
everyone. And, of course, it appeals to many people in the upper
echelons of Big Business, who are entranced by the prospect of paying
lower wages and exporting their goods to a bigger market. It was
considerations of this sort which gave us the unholy alliance of
egalitarian ideologues and international capitalists who backed the
recently adopted North American Free Trade Agreement.

Equality and so-called "free trade" aside, one salient feature of the
New World Order is a greatly increased degree of centralization of
power and of governmental control over the lives of ordinary citizens.
This means a greatly increased importance for the mass media of news
and entertainment. Whoever controls the mass media and is therefore
able to manipulate the attitudes and opinions of the great masses of
people will, for all practical purposes, be able to steer the course
taken by the New World Order. This helps us to understand the
virtually unanimous enthusiasm of the Jews for the New World Order.

New World Order=A Disarmed America

There are two prerequisites for safely bringing in the New World
Order. First, the people who are not convinced that surrendering
national sovereignty and permitting themselves to be "equalized" with
China's coolies and Mexico's peons are good things must be silenced
with "hate" laws designed to criminalize any expression of fact or
opinion which can be considered "racist." Second, the same people must
be disarmed, so that they have no recourse but to obey the laws and
remain silent.

In the United States the number of people likely to take up arms
against an oppressive government is not large at this time. We live in
an age when comfort and safety are valued more highly than freedom. If
economic conditions worsen substantially, however, those few willing
to fight for freedom may persuade many others who are more concerned
with their pocketbooks than their honor to take up arms as well, and
if that happens the New World Order will be in serious trouble.

What all the foregoing means is that the present drive to disarm
American citizens is motivated by a fear of rebellion, not by a fear
of crime.

The people in the media and the government beating the drums for the
New World Order understand that as the  program of "globalization"
proceeds, millions of newly dispossessed citizens will be angry and
desperate. If these citizens still have firearms in their possession,
they may strike at their despoilers.

Patriots need to understand this fact as well as their enemies do, and
they must not be bashful about stating it plainly and forcefully.
They need to drop the pretense that the purpose of the Second
Amendment is to protect the rights of hunters, target shooters, and
collectors of antique firearms. When Congressman Schumer or Senator
Metzenbaum holds a semiautomatic rifle or pistol up for the television
cameras and says that "no legitimate sportsman needs a weapon like
this," he is laughing up his sleeve at the same time.

The needs of sportsmen and hobbyists are utterly without importance or
significance when compared with the two serious needs served by the
private ownership of firearms: the need of the individual for weapons
with which to protect his person, his family, and his property against
the growing hordes of criminals in our disintegrating society; and the
need of the patriot for weapons with which to keep governmental
tyranny in check.

America's Problem: Race, Not Guns

There is another very important dimension to the change which has
brought Americans to the point that so many of them are eager to
surrender and beg for mercy. That is the racial dimension and its
relationship to the enormous increase in crime and violence in
America.
Those who are able to remember America as it was three or four decades
ago remember a life as different from that of today as day is from
night. There were no drugs or gang violence in the schools. There were
no drive-by shootings. Burglary and armed robbery were so rare that
when such a crime did occur it was the talk of the town for months
afterward. Listeners who find it difficult to believe that such an
America ever existed need only view a few motion pictures from the
1940s or early 1950s: Look at the crowds on the streets that you see
in those films. Look at the students on the university campuses. Look
at the faces in the offices and factories. It was a White America.

America prior to the 1960s was a vastly gentler and kinder country
than it is today. The drugs and violence endemic in the non-White
community had not been permitted to spread to the White community.
White children still could play in fields or vacant lots near their
homes without fear. No one ever was killed or raped on a school
playground. But then the planners of the New World Order decided that
the time had come to begin transforming America, to begin getting it
ready to fit into their scheme of things. Blacks and Whites must be
integrated, without regard for the consequences!

It is astonishing how easily White Americans permitted themselves to
be dispossessed in their own land. It is disgusting how many of them
collaborated in the campaign of genocide against their own people --
and still do. Of course, the New World Order boys had an immensely
powerful weapon in their hands by the 1960s, and they used it with
deadly skill: television. Americans let themselves be persuaded by the
puppeteers manipulating the images on their television screens that
racial integration was fashionable. And when the changes of the 1960s
brought nothing but evil, White Americans let themselves be persuaded
that the cure for the evil was more change of the same sort! If there
is a just God in heaven, he must laugh in scorn when he hears White
Americans whining now about drugs and crime and violence and how they
are afraid for the future.

Crime and violence came to America as a direct and immediate
consequence of the loss of racial homogeneity in American society.
When Blacks and other non-Whites were released from their ghettos and
came flooding into the White world they brought their life-style of
drugs, crime, and violence with them. And the attitudes and behavior
of Whites -- especially young Whites -- also changed. With the loss of
racial and cultural homogeneity went the loss of a sense of community.
The world in which White boys and girls were growing up became more
alien, more hostile. It was no longer their world. They no longer had
a sense of family, of belonging. They no longer had clear standards
and models, no longer a clear image of what was expected of them.
When young Whites lost their sense of belonging in the chaotic,
racially mixed world into which they suddenly were thrust in the 1960s
and 1970s, many of them also lost their sense of responsibility to
that world. Immorality, crime, and violence increased among young
Whites as among Blacks. It was a natural and inevitable consequence of
the loss of homogeneity.

So what do we do about this horrible increase in crime and violence
which so frightens people? Well, we might think about restoring the
homogeneity and the sense of community White Americans used to have.
We might think about that, except that if we said anything about it we
would be immediately denounced  by the controlled media as "racists."
Now to the average TV-bred citizen, to be considered a racist is a
fate worse than death. He cannot blame the decline in the quality of
American life on a loss of homogeneity. He cannot blame racial mixing.
Powerful taboos forbid it. And so he is easily enough persuaded by the
manipulators behind his television screen to blame firearms instead.

The manipulators understand this psychology all too well, and they are
exploiting it fully in their campaign to disarm Americans. They are
using the fear of soaring crime and violence to stampede the
frightened, unthinking voters into letting their only means of
protection from this crime and violence be taken away from them --
into giving up their only means of settling scores with the
manipulators of the media and their collaborators in the government
who have made such a cesspool of America.

Crime and violence can only increase, of course, because almost no one
has the courage and honesty to discuss their real causes, much less to
do anything realistic about cleaning up the mess that has been made of
America. Therefore, the stampede will continue until White Americans
-- that is, the ones who obey all the laws -- have been completely
disarmed.
I'll repeat that: The present campaign to disarm Americans will not
abate. Neither the controlled media nor the government will back away
>from  a goal of total disarmament of the civilian population. They
won't reach this goal in a single step, but they'll continue taking
steps until they do reach it. The target now is semiautomatic rifles.
Later it will be all semiautomatic pistols. Then it will be other
types of handguns. After that it will be all firearms which hold more
than three cartridges. "That's all a sportsman really needs," they'll
say. Then it will be all firearms except muzzle-loaders. Somewhere
along the line, various types of ammunition will be banned. "Only a
criminal would want a cartridge like this," they'll say.

Before too many steps have been taken there will be compulsory
registration of all firearms and firearm owners, in order to
facilitate confiscation later.

This bleak prospect has a silver lining, and it's this: a very
substantial portion of gun owners will defy the government and become
outlaws rather than give up their weapons, if the populations of
California and New Jersey are at all representative of the country as
a whole. When bans on so-called "assault rifles" were enacted in those
two states fewer than 10% of the people owning such weapons turned
them in.

Bans of the California and New Jersey sort have a marvelously salutary
effect on the attitude of the people who refuse to comply with the
bans. Relatively few of these people are militant patriots or
committed revolutionaries. The great majority are simply people who
have enough character, enough backbone and common sense, to refuse to
let themselves be stampeded along with the sheep into giving up their
only effective means of self-defense in a time of civil disorder. Most
of them have been law-abiding citizens all of their lives, and it is
not an easy decision for them to consciously disobey the law --
especially a law which could send them to prison for years. They are
not happy about being forced to become outlaws. Once they have crossed
that bridge, however, they should have a much healthier attitude
toward the government. Most will see it thenceforth as their enemy.
Many will be ready to fight it when the time comes for fighting.

They have passed the first test of manhood in the new world of
repression and revolution we are entering now. The more such armed,
angry outlaws the government makes, the better it will be for all of
us in the long run.

I'll leave you with this word: Don't do anything violent or foolish.
Don't do anything prematurely. We are in a very serious situation, a
situation of extreme danger for the future of our race, and we must
use the utmost prudence in dealing with it.

Keep your firearms out of sight, but within reach. The day will come
for using them. The day for a great cleansing of this land will come.
Until that day, keep your powder dry.



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The following is an excerpt from the book of the same title, available
>from  National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA.
Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945

by William L. Pierce

A common belief among defenders of the Second Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution is that the National Socialist government of Germany
under Adolf Hitler did not permit the private ownership of firearms.
Totalitarian governments, they have been taught in their high school
civics classes, do not trust their citizens and do not dare permit
them to keep firearms. Thus, one often hears the statement, "You know,
the first thing the Nazis did when they came to power was outlaw
firearms," or, "The first thing Hitler did in Germany was round up all
the guns."

One can understand why many American gun owners want to believe this.
They see in the current effort of their own government to take away
their right to keep and bear arms a limitation of an essential element
of their freedom and a move toward tyranny, and they want to
characterize the gun-grabbers in the most negative way they can. Adolf
Hitler has been vilified continuously for the past 60 years or so by
the mass media in America, and certainly no politician or officeholder
wants to be compared with him. If the gun-confiscation effort
can be portrayed convincingly as something of which Hitler would have
approved, it will have been effectively tarred.

This identification of the inclination to deny citizens the right to
keep and bear arms with National Socialism and Adolf Hitler has been
strengthened recently by clever magazine advertisements which show
Hitler with his arm outstretched in a Roman salute under a heading:
"All in favor of gun control raise your right hand." A Jewish group,
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO), quite noisy
for its size, has been especially zealous in promoting the idea that
the current gun-control effort in America has its roots in Germany
during the Hitler period. This group has gone so far as to claim in
several articles published in popular magazines read by firearms
enthusiasts that the current restrictive legislation being proposed by
the U.S. government is modeled on a gun-control statute enacted by
Germany's National Socialist government: the German Weapons Law
(Waffengesetz) of March 18, 1938.

Again, one can understand the motivation of the JPFO. Many non-Jewish
firearms owners are well aware that the movement to restrict their
rights is led and promoted primarily by Jews, and anti-Jewish feeling
has been growing among them. They know that the controlled news media,
which are almost unanimously in favor of abridging or abolishing the
Second Amendment, are very much under the influence of Jews, and they
know that the most vocal anti-gun legislators in the Congress also are
Jews. It is natural for a group such as the JPFO to mount a damage-
control effort and attempt to prevent anti-Jewish feeling from
becoming even stronger among gun owners. Their strategy is to deflect
the blame from their kinsmen in the media and the government and
direct it onto their most hated enemies, the National Socialists -- or
at least to create enough smoke to obscure the facts and keep the
gun-owning public confused.

Unfortunately for those who would like to link Hitler and the National
Socialists with gun control, the entire premise for such an effort is
false. German firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning
private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of
arms by German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive
laws which had been enacted by the government preceding his: a
left-center government which had contained a number of Jews.
 
It is not just that the National Socialist firearms legislation was
the opposite of what it has been claimed to have been by persons who
want to tar modern gun-grabbers with the "Nazi" brush: the
whole spirit of Hitler's government was starkly different from its
portrayal by America's mass media. The facts, in brief, are these:

  *   The National Socialist government of Germany, unlike the
government in Washington today, did not fear its citizens. Adolf
Hitler was the most popular leader Germany has ever had. Unlike
American presidents, he did not have to wear body armor and have
shields of bulletproof glass in front of him whenever he spoke in
public. At public celebrations he rode standing in an open
car as it moved slowly through cheering crowds. Communists made
several attempts to assassinate him, and his government stamped down
hard on communism, virtually wiping it out in Germany. Between
upright, law-abiding German citizens and Adolf Hitler, however, there
was a real love affair, with mutual trust and respect.

  *   The spirit of National Socialism was one of manliness, and
individual self-defense and self- reliance were central to the
National Socialist view of the way a citizen should behave. The
notion of banning firearms ownership was utterly alien to National
Socialism. In the German universities, where National Socialism gained
its earliest footholds and which later became its strongest bastions,
dueling was an accepted practice. Although the liberal-Jewish
governments in Germany after the First World War attempted to ban
dueling, it persisted illegally until it was again legalized by the
National Socialists. Fencing, target shooting, and other martial arts
were immensely popular in Germany, and the National Socialists
encouraged young Germans to become proficient in these activities,
believing that they were important for the development of a
man's character.

  *   Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for
handguns) were legislated by an anti-National Socialist government in
Germany in 1928, five years before the National Socialists
gained power. Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Five years
later his government got around to rewriting the gun law enacted a
decade earlier by his predecessors,  (for example, long guns were
exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for
gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of
validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three
years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the
number of firearms an individual could own were dropped). Hitler's
government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and
licensing requirements in the law, but the National Socialists had no
intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing
arms. Again, the firearms law enacted by Hitler's government
enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; no new
restrictions were added, and many pre-existing restrictions were
relaxed or eliminated.

  *   At the end of the Second World War, American GIs in the
occupying force were astounded to discover how many German civilians
owned private firearms. Tens of thousands of pistols looted from
German homes by GIs were brought back to the United States after the
war. In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms
in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans
were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as
any handguns which had not already been stolen. In the Soviet
occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were
found in possession of even a single cartridge.

  *   Jews, it should be noted, were not Germans, even if they had
been born in Germany. The National Socialists defined citizenship in
ethnic terms, and under Hitler Jews were not accorded full rights of
citizenship. National Socialist legislation progressively excluded
Jews from key professions: teaching, the media, the practice of law,
etc. The aim was not only to free German life from an oppressive and
degenerative Jewish influence, but to persuade Jews to emigrate.
The German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, specifically excluded Jews
>from  manufacturing or dealing in firearms or munitions, but it did not
exclude them from owning or bearing personal firearms. The exclusion
of Jews from the firearms business rankled them as much as any other
exclusion, and in their typically ethnocentric fashion they have
misrepresented the law involved as an anti-gun law in an effort to
cast their enemies in a bad light.

It should be noted in passing that the restrictions placed on Jews by
the National Socialists had the intended effect: between 1933 and 1939
two-thirds of the Jews residing in Germany emigrated, reducing the
Jewish population of the country from 600,000 when Hitler became
Chancellor in 1933 to 200,000 at the outbreak of the Second World War
in 1939. Jews in the United States, looking at this period from their
own narrowly focused viewpoint, have described these peacetime years
of the National Socialist government as a time of darkness, terror,
and regression, whereas for the German people it was a time of hope,
joy, and spiritual and material renewal.

Much the same type of distortion is seen in the portrayal of the
United States in the early 1950s: the so-called "McCarthy Era."
Senator Joseph McCarthy (Republican, Wisconsin) used his
position as chairman of the Senate's Government Operations Committee
to expose the widespread communist infiltration of the U.S. government
and other U.S. institutions which had taken place during the Second
World War. A substantial majority of the communists who were
dragged reluctantly out into the light of day by his efforts were
Jews. As a result, the controlled media always have portrayed the
period as one of terror and repression, when everyone was
frightened of Senator McCarthy's "witch-hunt." Of course, it was
nothing of the sort to non-Jewish Americans, who were not intimidated
in the least. History viewed through a Jewish lens -- i.e., through
media controlled by Jews -- always is distorted in a way corresponding
to Jewish interests and concerns.

Both the German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, enacted by the National
Socialists, and the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 12, 1928,
which was enacted by an anti-National Socialist government, are given
below in full, first in facsimile and then in English translation. A
little background information first, however, may help the reader to
understand their significance.

After Germany's defeat in the First World War (a defeat in which
Germany's Jews played no small part, demoralizing the home front with
demonstrations and other subversive activity much as they did in
America during the Vietnam war), the Kaiser abdicated, and liberals
and leftists seized control of the government in 1918.  Hitler,
recovering in a military hospital from a British poison-gas attack
which had blinded him temporarily, made the decision to go into
politics and fight against the traitors he felt were responsible for
Germany's distress.

The tendency of Germany's new rulers after the First World War was
much the same as it is for the liberals in America today: they
promoted cosmopolitanism, internationalism, and egalitarianism. By
1923 economic conditions in Germany had become catastrophic, and there
was much public unrest. The communists had made major inroads into the
labor movement and were a growing threat to the country.

Hitler had indeed gone into politics, and his National Socialists
battled the communists in the streets of Germany's cities and
gradually came to be seen by many patriotic Germans in the
working class and the middle class as the only force which could save
Germany from a communist takeover and total ruin. Hitler's National
Socialists continued to win recruits and gain strength during the
1920s. The communists, with aid from the Soviet Union, also continued
to grow. The political situation became increasingly unstable as the
government lost popular support.

 The government's response was to substantially tighten up
restrictions on the rights of German citizens to keep and bear arms.
The Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 12, 1928, was the
most substantial effort in this regard. This law was enacted by a
left-center government hostile to the National Socialists (the
government was headed by Chancellor Wilhelm Marx and consisted
of a coalition of Socialists, including many Jews, and Catholic
Centrists).

Five years later, in 1933, the National Socialists were in power,
Hitler headed the government, and the communist threat was crushed
decisively. The National Socialists began undoing the
social and economic damage done by their predecessors. Germany was
restored to full employment, degeneracy and corruption were rooted
out, Jews and their collaborators were removed from one facet of
national life after another, and the German people entered a new era
of national freedom, health, and prosperity.

Finally, in 1938, the National Socialist government got around to
enacting a new firearms law to replace the one enacted by their
opponents ten years earlier. The highlights of the 1938 law,
especially as it applied to ordinary citizens rather than
manufacturers or dealers, follow:

  *   Handguns may be purchased only on submission of a Weapons
Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), which must be used within one
year from the date of issue. Muzzle- loading handguns are exempted
>from  the permit requirement. [The 1928 law had required a
permit for the purchase of long guns as well, but the National
Socialists dropped this requirement.]

  *   Holders of a permit to carry weapons (Waffenschein) or of a
hunting license do not need a Weapons Acquisition Permit in order to
acquire a handgun.

  *   A hunting license authorizes its bearer to carry hunting weapons
and handguns.

  *   Firearms and ammunition, as well as swords and knives, may not
be sold to minors under the age of 18 years. [The age limit had been
20 years in the 1928 law.]

  *   Whoever carries a firearm outside of his dwelling, his place of
employment, his place of business, or his fenced property must have on
his person a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein). A permit is not required,
however, for carrying a firearm for use at a police-approved shooting
range.

  *   A permit to acquire a handgun or to carry firearms may only be
issued to persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can
show a need for a permit. In particular, a permit may not be issued
to:


1. persons under the age of 18 years;
2. legally incompetent or mentally retarded persons;
3. Gypsies or vagabonds; 
4. persons under mandatory police supervision [i.e., on parole] or
otherwise temporarily without civil rights;
5. persons convicted of treason or high treason or known to be engaged
in activities hostile to the state;
6. persons who for assault, trespass, a breach of the peace,
resistance to authority, a criminal offense or misdemeanor, or a
hunting or fishing violation were legally sentenced to a term of
imprisonment of more than two weeks, if three years have not passed
since the term of imprisonment.

  *   The manufacture, sale, carrying, possession, and import of the
following are prohibited:

1. "trick" firearms, designed so as to conceal their function (e.g.,
cane guns and belt-buckle pistols);
2. any firearm equipped with a silencer and any rifle equipped with a
spotlight;
3. cartridges with .22 caliber, hollow-point bullets. That is the essence. Numerous other provisions of the law relate to firearms manufacturers, importers, and dealers; to acquisition and carrying of firearms by police, military, and other official personnel; to the maximum fees which can be charged for permits (3 Reichsmark); to tourists bringing firearms into Germany; and to the fines and other penalties to be levied for violations. The requirements of "trustworthiness" and of proof of need when obtaining a permit are troubling, but it should be noted that they were simply carried over from the 1928 law: they were not formulated by the National Socialists. Under the National Socialists these requirements were interpreted liberally: a person who did not fall into one of the prohibited categories listed above was considered trustworthy, and a statement such as, "I often carry sums of money," was accepted as proof of need. The prohibitions of spotlight-equipped rifles and hollow-point .22 caliber ammunition were based on considerations that the former were unsporting when used for hunting, and the latter were inhumane. Now read the German firearms laws for yourself, either in the original German exactly as they were published by the German government in the Reichsgesetzblatt or in the complete English translations which are provided here. If you want to skip over most of the legal gobbledygook and go directly to the most pertinent part of the National Socialist Firearms Law -- the part pertaining to the purchase, ownership, and carrying of firearms by private citizens -- turn to page 35 (Part IV of the Law). Note, as already mentioned above, that two separate and distinct types of permits are referred to: a Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), required only for purchasing a handgun; and a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein), required for carrying any firearm in public. Interestingly enough, as also mentioned above, a hunting license could take the place of both these permits. When you have read the two laws reproduced here, you will understand that it was Hitler's enemies, not Hitler, who should be compared with the gun-control advocates in America today. Then as now it was the Jews, not the National Socialists, who wanted the people's right of self- defense restricted. You will understand that those who continue to make the claim that Hitler was a gun-grabber are either ignorant or dishonest. And you will understand that it was not until 1945, when the communist and democratic victors of the Second World War had installed occupation governments to rule over the conquered Germans that German citizens were finally and completely denied the right to armed self-defense. For further information, http://www.natvan.com From thebok@dreamon.com Tue Nov 5 18:01:06 PST 1996 Article: 43963 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c90e78ed92f5fdd95554faf592606f83) References: <847001914$10115@atype.com> <847042484$11649@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:19:31 GMT Message-ID: <847235971$3643@atype.com> Subject: Re: Israel-Palestine Lines: 59 On Sun, 3 Nov 96 17:34:44 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: > >In article <847001914$10115@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) >writes: > >>Rather, YOU you should go over and fight for Israel, since blasting >>the tops of Palestinian children's heads off with Uzis is an activity >>you so sacredly defend is Israel's divine privilege! > >I see, little brianazi, so then you believe that the Palestinians have >reserved the right to the suicide bombing of commuter busses, eh? > >Arlin H. Adams Huh? So the collective punishment of innocent children has what to do with suicide bombings'? Best Regards, Vincent >From the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188 by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel) "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the commander of the military police post on the base. At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time, even if they were taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the radio so no one would await their return. That is where I would come in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small town of Tel Aviv. I'd always assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive, but brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area. It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic, bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast they worked and make them more efficient. What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the fact that was taking place but rather the clamness and understanding with which I accepted it." From thebok@dreamon.com Tue Nov 5 18:01:07 PST 1996 Article: 43964 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (a171e9ffc637a1fa757274801aac84e9) From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:18:57 GMT Message-ID: <847235937$3596@atype.com> Subject: Gun Control In Germany Lines: 329 The following is an excerpt from the book of the same title, available >from National Vanguard Books, PO Box 330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA. Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945 by William L. Pierce A common belief among defenders of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is that the National Socialist government of Germany under Adolf Hitler did not permit the private ownership of firearms. Totalitarian governments, they have been taught in their high school civics classes, do not trust their citizens and do not dare permit them to keep firearms. Thus, one often hears the statement, "You know, the first thing the Nazis did when they came to power was outlaw firearms," or, "The first thing Hitler did in Germany was round up all the guns." One can understand why many American gun owners want to believe this. They see in the current effort of their own government to take away their right to keep and bear arms a limitation of an essential element of their freedom and a move toward tyranny, and they want to characterize the gun-grabbers in the most negative way they can. Adolf Hitler has been vilified continuously for the past 60 years or so by the mass media in America, and certainly no politician or officeholder wants to be compared with him. If the gun-confiscation effort can be portrayed convincingly as something of which Hitler would have approved, it will have been effectively tarred. This identification of the inclination to deny citizens the right to keep and bear arms with National Socialism and Adolf Hitler has been strengthened recently by clever magazine advertisements which show Hitler with his arm outstretched in a Roman salute under a heading: "All in favor of gun control raise your right hand." A Jewish group, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO), quite noisy for its size, has been especially zealous in promoting the idea that the current gun-control effort in America has its roots in Germany during the Hitler period. This group has gone so far as to claim in several articles published in popular magazines read by firearms enthusiasts that the current restrictive legislation being proposed by the U.S. government is modeled on a gun-control statute enacted by Germany's National Socialist government: the German Weapons Law (Waffengesetz) of March 18, 1938. Again, one can understand the motivation of the JPFO. Many non-Jewish firearms owners are well aware that the movement to restrict their rights is led and promoted primarily by Jews, and anti-Jewish feeling has been growing among them. They know that the controlled news media, which are almost unanimously in favor of abridging or abolishing the Second Amendment, are very much under the influence of Jews, and they know that the most vocal anti-gun legislators in the Congress also are Jews. It is natural for a group such as the JPFO to mount a damage- control effort and attempt to prevent anti-Jewish feeling from becoming even stronger among gun owners. Their strategy is to deflect the blame from their kinsmen in the media and the government and direct it onto their most hated enemies, the National Socialists -- or at least to create enough smoke to obscure the facts and keep the gun-owning public confused. Unfortunately for those who would like to link Hitler and the National Socialists with gun control, the entire premise for such an effort is false. German firearms legislation under Hitler, far from banning private ownership, actually facilitated the keeping and bearing of arms by German citizens by eliminating or ameliorating restrictive laws which had been enacted by the government preceding his: a left-center government which had contained a number of Jews. It is not just that the National Socialist firearms legislation was the opposite of what it has been claimed to have been by persons who want to tar modern gun-grabbers with the "Nazi" brush: the whole spirit of Hitler's government was starkly different from its portrayal by America's mass media. The facts, in brief, are these: * The National Socialist government of Germany, unlike the government in Washington today, did not fear its citizens. Adolf Hitler was the most popular leader Germany has ever had. Unlike American presidents, he did not have to wear body armor and have shields of bulletproof glass in front of him whenever he spoke in public. At public celebrations he rode standing in an open car as it moved slowly through cheering crowds. Communists made several attempts to assassinate him, and his government stamped down hard on communism, virtually wiping it out in Germany. Between upright, law-abiding German citizens and Adolf Hitler, however, there was a real love affair, with mutual trust and respect. * The spirit of National Socialism was one of manliness, and individual self-defense and self- reliance were central to the National Socialist view of the way a citizen should behave. The notion of banning firearms ownership was utterly alien to National Socialism. In the German universities, where National Socialism gained its earliest footholds and which later became its strongest bastions, dueling was an accepted practice. Although the liberal-Jewish governments in Germany after the First World War attempted to ban dueling, it persisted illegally until it was again legalized by the National Socialists. Fencing, target shooting, and other martial arts were immensely popular in Germany, and the National Socialists encouraged young Germans to become proficient in these activities, believing that they were important for the development of a man's character. * Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for handguns) were legislated by an anti-National Socialist government in Germany in 1928, five years before the National Socialists gained power. Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Five years later his government got around to rewriting the gun law enacted a decade earlier by his predecessors, (for example, long guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped). Hitler's government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the law, but the National Socialists had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing arms. Again, the firearms law enacted by Hitler's government enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; no new restrictions were added, and many pre-existing restrictions were relaxed or eliminated. * At the end of the Second World War, American GIs in the occupying force were astounded to discover how many German civilians owned private firearms. Tens of thousands of pistols looted from German homes by GIs were brought back to the United States after the war. In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as any handguns which had not already been stolen. In the Soviet occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were found in possession of even a single cartridge. * Jews, it should be noted, were not Germans, even if they had been born in Germany. The National Socialists defined citizenship in ethnic terms, and under Hitler Jews were not accorded full rights of citizenship. National Socialist legislation progressively excluded Jews from key professions: teaching, the media, the practice of law, etc. The aim was not only to free German life from an oppressive and degenerative Jewish influence, but to persuade Jews to emigrate. The German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, specifically excluded Jews >from manufacturing or dealing in firearms or munitions, but it did not exclude them from owning or bearing personal firearms. The exclusion of Jews from the firearms business rankled them as much as any other exclusion, and in their typically ethnocentric fashion they have misrepresented the law involved as an anti-gun law in an effort to cast their enemies in a bad light. It should be noted in passing that the restrictions placed on Jews by the National Socialists had the intended effect: between 1933 and 1939 two-thirds of the Jews residing in Germany emigrated, reducing the Jewish population of the country from 600,000 when Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 to 200,000 at the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939. Jews in the United States, looking at this period from their own narrowly focused viewpoint, have described these peacetime years of the National Socialist government as a time of darkness, terror, and regression, whereas for the German people it was a time of hope, joy, and spiritual and material renewal. Much the same type of distortion is seen in the portrayal of the United States in the early 1950s: the so-called "McCarthy Era." Senator Joseph McCarthy (Republican, Wisconsin) used his position as chairman of the Senate's Government Operations Committee to expose the widespread communist infiltration of the U.S. government and other U.S. institutions which had taken place during the Second World War. A substantial majority of the communists who were dragged reluctantly out into the light of day by his efforts were Jews. As a result, the controlled media always have portrayed the period as one of terror and repression, when everyone was frightened of Senator McCarthy's "witch-hunt." Of course, it was nothing of the sort to non-Jewish Americans, who were not intimidated in the least. History viewed through a Jewish lens -- i.e., through media controlled by Jews -- always is distorted in a way corresponding to Jewish interests and concerns. Both the German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, enacted by the National Socialists, and the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 12, 1928, which was enacted by an anti-National Socialist government, are given below in full, first in facsimile and then in English translation. A little background information first, however, may help the reader to understand their significance. After Germany's defeat in the First World War (a defeat in which Germany's Jews played no small part, demoralizing the home front with demonstrations and other subversive activity much as they did in America during the Vietnam war), the Kaiser abdicated, and liberals and leftists seized control of the government in 1918. Hitler, recovering in a military hospital from a British poison-gas attack which had blinded him temporarily, made the decision to go into politics and fight against the traitors he felt were responsible for Germany's distress. The tendency of Germany's new rulers after the First World War was much the same as it is for the liberals in America today: they promoted cosmopolitanism, internationalism, and egalitarianism. By 1923 economic conditions in Germany had become catastrophic, and there was much public unrest. The communists had made major inroads into the labor movement and were a growing threat to the country. Hitler had indeed gone into politics, and his National Socialists battled the communists in the streets of Germany's cities and gradually came to be seen by many patriotic Germans in the working class and the middle class as the only force which could save Germany from a communist takeover and total ruin. Hitler's National Socialists continued to win recruits and gain strength during the 1920s. The communists, with aid from the Soviet Union, also continued to grow. The political situation became increasingly unstable as the government lost popular support. The government's response was to substantially tighten up restrictions on the rights of German citizens to keep and bear arms. The Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 12, 1928, was the most substantial effort in this regard. This law was enacted by a left-center government hostile to the National Socialists (the government was headed by Chancellor Wilhelm Marx and consisted of a coalition of Socialists, including many Jews, and Catholic Centrists). Five years later, in 1933, the National Socialists were in power, Hitler headed the government, and the communist threat was crushed decisively. The National Socialists began undoing the social and economic damage done by their predecessors. Germany was restored to full employment, degeneracy and corruption were rooted out, Jews and their collaborators were removed from one facet of national life after another, and the German people entered a new era of national freedom, health, and prosperity. Finally, in 1938, the National Socialist government got around to enacting a new firearms law to replace the one enacted by their opponents ten years earlier. The highlights of the 1938 law, especially as it applied to ordinary citizens rather than manufacturers or dealers, follow: * Handguns may be purchased only on submission of a Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), which must be used within one year from the date of issue. Muzzle- loading handguns are exempted >from the permit requirement. [The 1928 law had required a permit for the purchase of long guns as well, but the National Socialists dropped this requirement.] * Holders of a permit to carry weapons (Waffenschein) or of a hunting license do not need a Weapons Acquisition Permit in order to acquire a handgun. * A hunting license authorizes its bearer to carry hunting weapons and handguns. * Firearms and ammunition, as well as swords and knives, may not be sold to minors under the age of 18 years. [The age limit had been 20 years in the 1928 law.] * Whoever carries a firearm outside of his dwelling, his place of employment, his place of business, or his fenced property must have on his person a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein). A permit is not required, however, for carrying a firearm for use at a police-approved shooting range. * A permit to acquire a handgun or to carry firearms may only be issued to persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a permit. In particular, a permit may not be issued to: 1. persons under the age of 18 years; 2. legally incompetent or mentally retarded persons; 3. Gypsies or vagabonds; 4. persons under mandatory police supervision [i.e., on parole] or otherwise temporarily without civil rights; 5. persons convicted of treason or high treason or known to be engaged in activities hostile to the state; 6. persons who for assault, trespass, a breach of the peace, resistance to authority, a criminal offense or misdemeanor, or a hunting or fishing violation were legally sentenced to a term of imprisonment of more than two weeks, if three years have not passed since the term of imprisonment. * The manufacture, sale, carrying, possession, and import of the following are prohibited: 1. "trick" firearms, designed so as to conceal their function (e.g., cane guns and belt-buckle pistols); 2. any firearm equipped with a silencer and any rifle equipped with a spotlight;
3. cartridges with .22 caliber, hollow-point bullets. That is the essence. Numerous other provisions of the law relate to firearms manufacturers, importers, and dealers; to acquisition and carrying of firearms by police, military, and other official personnel; to the maximum fees which can be charged for permits (3 Reichsmark); to tourists bringing firearms into Germany; and to the fines and other penalties to be levied for violations. The requirements of "trustworthiness" and of proof of need when obtaining a permit are troubling, but it should be noted that they were simply carried over from the 1928 law: they were not formulated by the National Socialists. Under the National Socialists these requirements were interpreted liberally: a person who did not fall into one of the prohibited categories listed above was considered trustworthy, and a statement such as, "I often carry sums of money," was accepted as proof of need. The prohibitions of spotlight-equipped rifles and hollow-point .22 caliber ammunition were based on considerations that the former were unsporting when used for hunting, and the latter were inhumane. Now read the German firearms laws for yourself, either in the original German exactly as they were published by the German government in the Reichsgesetzblatt or in the complete English translations which are provided here. If you want to skip over most of the legal gobbledygook and go directly to the most pertinent part of the National Socialist Firearms Law -- the part pertaining to the purchase, ownership, and carrying of firearms by private citizens -- turn to page 35 (Part IV of the Law). Note, as already mentioned above, that two separate and distinct types of permits are referred to: a Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), required only for purchasing a handgun; and a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein), required for carrying any firearm in public. Interestingly enough, as also mentioned above, a hunting license could take the place of both these permits. When you have read the two laws reproduced here, you will understand that it was Hitler's enemies, not Hitler, who should be compared with the gun-control advocates in America today. Then as now it was the Jews, not the National Socialists, who wanted the people's right of self- defense restricted. You will understand that those who continue to make the claim that Hitler was a gun-grabber are either ignorant or dishonest. And you will understand that it was not until 1945, when the communist and democratic victors of the Second World War had installed occupation governments to rule over the conquered Germans that German citizens were finally and completely denied the right to armed self-defense. For further information, http://www.natvan.com From thebok@dreamon.com Tue Nov 5 18:01:08 PST 1996 Article: 43994 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (482634b3d6446558b1c8668e9ee56aae) References: <846821073$18423@atype.com> <847066699$13837@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:19:10 GMT Message-ID: <847235950$3611@atype.com> Subject: Re: "Mr. Wizard" (PGISSource) is a COMMUNIST WIZARD! Lines: 79 On Mon, 4 Nov 96 0:18:19 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: > >In article <846821073$18423@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) >writes: > >> As is pointed out to him ad infinitum, White Nationalism >>REJECTS egalitarianism, is AGAINST gun control, and has NOTHING TO DO >>with any workers' revolt. > >then why wont you even attempt to counter any of the points Wiz has made >in his posts concerning the gross similarities between your beloved >notional appliance and the communists, little ianazi? People are really >beginning to believe that you may not have any answers for them...is that >so? > >Arlin H. Adams Actually, this NG is not the place for the long answers anymore. Hell, I can't even get you to use short answers to yes or no questions. The simple fact is that I am not a capitalist. Capitalism is a system of exploitation of the working class. Communism-Socialism-Marxism is exploitation of the owners and managers of industry. If we were to look at the National Socialist system of Germany (1933-1945), government worked for all classes and not one against the other. It mediated diputes between management and worker and never allowed exploitation of either class. One of the key's to Germany's success was that the country had a common unifying cause. After it became known that exploitation was no longer allowed, Germans of all classes began to work together as a team. They had pride in their work and pride in themselves. Germany prospered because everyone received a fair wage and those who were gifted rose to the top by virtue of merit. One could become rich, but one could not under pay their employees. I could take apart Jim's posts piece by piece, but he is not my concern. My concern in so-called leaders like yourself who push your garbage of diversity. You are leading good people with you into a third world hell and I am proud to be your enemy. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Tue Nov 5 18:01:09 PST 1996 Article: 43995 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (0e65979816c2418433fcdeb4a38d7ea3) References: <846623920$3222@atype.com> <846647301$4671@atype.com> <846653584$5873@atype.com> <846687814$7568@atype.com> <846729228$12092@atype.com> <846778706$14501@atype.com> <846799421$16241@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:19:20 GMT Message-ID: <847235960$3628@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arlin Isuues Physical Threats. Lines: 66 >> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia >>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution >>as well as many others. >I will say this only once. You do NOT want to play this game. >While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, >a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, >and they WILL take offense at your words. I cannot say >what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you >would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves >only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* >warning you are likely to receive. > >Arlin H. Adams It seems that Arlin and his band of Neo-Marxist "New" Constitutional (tm) leader types have finally realized that they they are defeated. Again, this is the end result of having politicians for leaders and not men of honour. I wish I could say differently. I never thought I would see the day when so-called milita leaders like Arlin would lie about their beliefs and sided with Marxist Socialist types like Wiz like a bunch of media whores. It is truly a shame to see these so-called leaders having more in common with the openly Marxist types than with traditional Nationalists. It shows the depths that the militia leadership has sunk to in their quest for a "mainstream" membership. They have thrown all sense of honour over-board and have begun to play the media game. I wanted to post your letter Arlin for all to see. Your ideas are either lies or are failures and your leading your own people into this failure with you. Threats are the only weapon you have left. What I said above is fact. You are purposely leading people to believe that Whites in the milita have no racial motivations. As I stated before, I know many milita men and they are as racially patriotic as I am. Feelings of racial pride and solidarity are a natural part of a healthy persons make up. Wanting self-determination for your own people and the willingness to fight fot these ideas are one of the main reasons people join the militas. I have stated before that these new milita leaders who are selling out for the camera are helping membership in the National Alliance, but in all reality, the National Alliance is the logic step for people who understand that race and nation are one. We are the future and Arlin knows it. Are militia men going to fight to preserve the gettoes that we pay for with our tax dollars? Do you think the militias are going to fight to preserve our virtually open boarder to the South so that Mexicans can invade our Southern States and displace White Americans? Do you think the militias are going to fight to preserve the Jewish ownership of the midea which has been pushing anti-Americanism and teaching White children to feel guily for being White? Are militia men going to fight to preserve our failed justice and education systems, where politics by riot and special privilige prevail? Will militia men fight to preserve the re-writing of American history to fit the new multi-cultural agenda? In short, will they fight for the one race, one nation, boarderless utopia that Arlin has been pushing which are the end result of his ideas or will they fight for self determination? Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer. It's time to start taking America back now! http://www.natvan.com From thebok@dreamon.com Tue Nov 5 18:01:10 PST 1996 Article: 43996 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (d4a0ac741c41d1067cb554c68e659244) From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:19:44 GMT Message-ID: <847235984$3661@atype.com> Subject: Arlin issues threats: NA Victorious. Lines: 65 >> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia >>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution >>as well as many others. >I will say this only once. You do NOT want to play this game. >While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, >a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, >and they WILL take offense at your words. I cannot say >what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you >would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves >only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* >warning you are likely to receive. > >Arlin H. Adams I suppose the nerve I touched was the media nerve. The media nerve is the central nervous system of a media whore politician who bases all of his opinions on media sentiment. Arlin like many other self-styled "leaders" have supported everything >from homosexuality to satanism in their attempt to satisfy the Jewish media God (TM). While Arlin and his type support multi-culturalism and an open boarder policy which will render America a non-White nation with a few decades, the National Alliance will work for the interests of White Americans. So my fellow Americans, if you like things the way they are in this country, don't worry, Arlin will be working hard to ensure you get more of the diversity, crime, violence, decay and social engineering that you've grown so accustomed to. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:44 PST 1996 Article: 44049 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (1ea32d8a0351b19dd83c810e1a8a121f) From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 7:18:20 GMT Message-ID: <847264700$5977@atype.com> Subject: Ban Arlin Adams Lines: 22 >I do not make threats, billynazi, for threats are merely empty gestures. >I give warnings, which since you have no concept of fair warning you >wouldn't understand, and I make *promises*. Now that you have, by virtue >of posting it, acknowledged receipt of my fair warning, that was all that >was neccessary. I know you don't understand that, but perhaps in time you >will learn. > >Arlin H. Adams Due to the use of threats and intimidation, Arlin has shown that he is incapable of sharing this NG with others. He is also a threat to free and open discussion of milita related topics. Therefor, I ask the moderator to ban Arlin. Best Regards, Vincent From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:45 PST 1996 Article: 44067 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (cebc9b3f064a7dc6db63ecc16afff2bc) References: <847077515$14893@atype.com> <847237728$3988@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:03:12 GMT Message-ID: <847274592$6646@atype.com> Subject: Re: interesting bit of information Lines: 207 On Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:48:48 GMT, anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) wrote: > >THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING TO MAM!! > >Ian Mckinny said: > >>>: Bringing in Nizkor to save your butts, what a laugh! > >>In article <847077515$14893@atype.com>, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D. >Sybesma) writes: >> >>I'll have to find out who this Nizkor character is. I'm behind the >times. >>-- >>*------------------------------------------------------------------------ >---* >>|****Steven D. Sybesma**Post Office Box 31456**Aurora, CO 80041-0456 >USA****| >>| ****************Phone 1-303-363-6417**************** > | > >Steven and MAM, > >Nizkor (or as most of us call it Nizcor is a hebrew name that I choose to >alter to change its meaning) is an ADL arm that monitors militias and the >like on the internet. They log posts, create databases and profiles. >They supply information to government agencies, Morris Dees (SPLC) the >ADL, JDL, and all the Anti-American organizations. They are paid >informants. Some of their info was used in Sundays Washington Post article >that bashed militias. > >Arlin invited this organization to come in the front door and to >participate in MAM. They were already here through many cloaked accounts >but now they are here on two fronts. With Nizcor and Arlin came >crossposting and the first posts for the holoco$t by 3 Nizcor persons >talking at each other (nice gimick) , etc.. There are a few members of >Nizcor on MAM. Tim McVay, Arlin H. Adams, Annie Alpert, Laura Finsten, >Rich Graves, Milton Kleim, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy), I believe >Charles Winters, & Wizard is using an id from 1 of the 5 on an aol account >that is a Nizcor account. These are all gun grabbing, anti-American, >traitorous organizations and most happen to be backed by major jewish >lobbies and organizations that have made a business out of spreading >propaganda, staging "incidents", setting people up, doing the staging work >for the NWO, Klinton and his masters, and then appealing for the pubic for >funds.. All this while Klinton gives these groups millions of dollars >every year. > >And let us not forget this Mark Pitcavage and Sheldon Sheps who work >together (check out their web pages and see the links and who are their >supporters and log MAM and share info with other traitors and >Anti-American groups. Check out the webpage for Sheldon Sheps, the >Canadian "patriot" who is trying to have us banned from the Militia >newsgroup. (see why he is motivated to stop the NA from giving the >militia members or MAM readers any of our NA intelligence information or >from giving you the facts on topics they would much rather cover up and >lie about > >I checked it out and found that Sheldon Sheps(ky/) and Pitcavage are >honchos on the following website: > >http://www.sff.net/people/pitman/militia.htm. But most interesting, I >found a little gem on their website: Other Organizations that they are >affiliated with that Investigate the Extreme Right, Militias and any >Pro-American organization; a veritable inventory list of Jewish hate >groups: > >American Jewish Committee >Area of Expertise: Hate groups/white supremacy connection to militias. >165 East 56th Street >New York, NY 10022-2746 >(212) 751-4000 > >Anti-Defamation League >Area of Expertise: Hate groups/militia groups. >National Office >823 United Nations Plaza >New York, NY 10017 >(212) 490-2525 > >Clearinghouse on Environmental Advocacy and Research [CLEAR] >Area of Expertise: Wise Use/militia links. >1718 Connecticut Avenue, NW Suite 600 >Washington, DC 20009 >(202) 667-6982 > >Center for Democratic Renewal >Area of Expertise: Helping communities combat hate. >PO Box 50469 >Atlanta, GA 30302 >(404) 221-0025 > >Coalition for Human Dignity >Area of Expertise: Race/Hate groups. >PO Box 40344 >Portland, OR 97240 >(503) 281-5823 > >Montana Human Rights Network >Area of Expertise: militias/hate groups in Montana. >PO Box 1222 >Helena, Mt. 59624 >(406) 442-5506 > >Northwest Coalition Against Malicious Harassment >Area of Expertise: Helping communities combat hate. >PO Box 16776 >Seattle, WA 98116 >(206) 233-9136 > >Political Research Associates >Area of Expertise: Far Right (militias and general) >120 Beacon Street, Suite 202 >Somerville, MA 02143 >(617) 661-9313 > >Southern Poverty Law Center >Area of Expertise: Race/Hate/Militia groups. >PO Box 548 >Montgomery, AL 36195-5101 >(205) 264-0286 > >Western States Center >Area of Expertise: Wise Use/militia links. >522 SW 5th Avenue, #1390 >Portland, OR 97204 >(503) 228-8866 > >Radio for Peace International >Area of Expertise: Far right on shortwave radio. >PO Box 20728 >Portland, OR 07220 >011 506 249 1821 > >Simon Wiesenthal Center >Area of Expertise: White supremacist groups.(with a side arm for militia >monitoring) >9760 West Pico >Los Angeles, CA 90035 >(310) 553-9036. > > >There are some other Nizcor & Dees spies on MAM and we will post a better >list latter. I just though that all of MAM should know who their real >enemies are. Notice how they are the ones that were afraid we would tell >you the truth and that the National Alliance would make their lies look >like just what they are LIES. National Alliance as individuals have >worked with many militias and correspond regularly and are friends with >many militia members. Some National Alliance members are also militia >members. This is why the enemies of truth and of America have stormed on >this group.. see them post after everyone of our posts .. they are trying >to suppress the truth. The National Alliance has blown their cover to >assist MAM. And look at who stated, after he was caught and exposed by >the NA, that he invited Nizcor/ADL to MAM for it's own good.. so now they >are on two fronts. They are on their publicly open accounts and on their >subversive accounts. Now that Arlin has brought them to MAM how does MAM >ever expect to get rid of these traitors these Anti-American, Anti-Militia >paid whores? > >Arlin has proven himself to be a true enemy of MAM as well as all the >enemy agents. > What I have found most interesting, is the complete acceptance of Arlin and Nizcor's view points. I have stated this before, but I intend to put together a complete report on Arlin and the other so-called "militia leaders" here so that I can show milita members and leaders that I come into contact with. I don't think that it is to unreasonable to suspect that Arlin and Mike are plants from nizcor or the ADL. These organization have been involved in many similar activities. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:46 PST 1996 Article: 44068 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (cc4986a9f5ce6bb1b95f455cb573f8b6) References: <847077515$14893@atype.com> <847237728$3988@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:03:28 GMT Message-ID: <847274608$6670@atype.com> Subject: Thank you Ann Lines: 164 On Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:48:48 GMT, anndaltyn@aol.com (AnnDaltyn) wrote: > >THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING TO MAM!! > >Ian Mckinny said: > >>>: Bringing in Nizkor to save your butts, what a laugh! > >>In article <847077515$14893@atype.com>, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D. >Sybesma) writes: >> >>I'll have to find out who this Nizkor character is. I'm behind the >times. >>-- >>*------------------------------------------------------------------------ >---* >>|****Steven D. Sybesma**Post Office Box 31456**Aurora, CO 80041-0456 >USA****| >>| ****************Phone 1-303-363-6417**************** > | > >Steven and MAM, > >Nizkor (or as most of us call it Nizcor is a hebrew name that I choose to >alter to change its meaning) is an ADL arm that monitors militias and the >like on the internet. They log posts, create databases and profiles. >They supply information to government agencies, Morris Dees (SPLC) the >ADL, JDL, and all the Anti-American organizations. They are paid >informants. Some of their info was used in Sundays Washington Post article >that bashed militias. > >Arlin invited this organization to come in the front door and to >participate in MAM. They were already here through many cloaked accounts >but now they are here on two fronts. With Nizcor and Arlin came >crossposting and the first posts for the holoco$t by 3 Nizcor persons >talking at each other (nice gimick) , etc.. There are a few members of >Nizcor on MAM. Tim McVay, Arlin H. Adams, Annie Alpert, Laura Finsten, >Rich Graves, Milton Kleim, jamie@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy), I believe >Charles Winters, & Wizard is using an id from 1 of the 5 on an aol account >that is a Nizcor account. These are all gun grabbing, anti-American, >traitorous organizations and most happen to be backed by major jewish >lobbies and organizations that have made a business out of spreading >propaganda, staging "incidents", setting people up, doing the staging work >for the NWO, Klinton and his masters, and then appealing for the pubic for >funds.. All this while Klinton gives these groups millions of dollars >every year. > >And let us not forget this Mark Pitcavage and Sheldon Sheps who work >together (check out their web pages and see the links and who are their >supporters and log MAM and share info with other traitors and >Anti-American groups. Check out the webpage for Sheldon Sheps, the >Canadian "patriot" who is trying to have us banned from the Militia >newsgroup. (see why he is motivated to stop the NA from giving the >militia members or MAM readers any of our NA intelligence information or >from giving you the facts on topics they would much rather cover up and >lie about > >I checked it out and found that Sheldon Sheps(ky/) and Pitcavage are >honchos on the following website: > >http://www.sff.net/people/pitman/militia.htm. But most interesting, I >found a little gem on their website: Other Organizations that they are >affiliated with that Investigate the Extreme Right, Militias and any >Pro-American organization; a veritable inventory list of Jewish hate >groups: > >American Jewish Committee >Area of Expertise: Hate groups/white supremacy connection to militias. >165 East 56th Street >New York, NY 10022-2746 >(212) 751-4000 > >Anti-Defamation League >Area of Expertise: Hate groups/militia groups. >National Office >823 United Nations Plaza >New York, NY 10017 >(212) 490-2525 > >Clearinghouse on Environmental Advocacy and Research [CLEAR] >Area of Expertise: Wise Use/militia links. >1718 Connecticut Avenue, NW Suite 600 >Washington, DC 20009 >(202) 667-6982 > >Center for Democratic Renewal >Area of Expertise: Helping communities combat hate. >PO Box 50469 >Atlanta, GA 30302 >(404) 221-0025 > >Coalition for Human Dignity >Area of Expertise: Race/Hate groups. >PO Box 40344 >Portland, OR 97240 >(503) 281-5823 > >Montana Human Rights Network >Area of Expertise: militias/hate groups in Montana. >PO Box 1222 >Helena, Mt. 59624 >(406) 442-5506 > >Northwest Coalition Against Malicious Harassment >Area of Expertise: Helping communities combat hate. >PO Box 16776 >Seattle, WA 98116 >(206) 233-9136 > >Political Research Associates >Area of Expertise: Far Right (militias and general) >120 Beacon Street, Suite 202 >Somerville, MA 02143 >(617) 661-9313 > >Southern Poverty Law Center >Area of Expertise: Race/Hate/Militia groups. >PO Box 548 >Montgomery, AL 36195-5101 >(205) 264-0286 > >Western States Center >Area of Expertise: Wise Use/militia links. >522 SW 5th Avenue, #1390 >Portland, OR 97204 >(503) 228-8866 > >Radio for Peace International >Area of Expertise: Far right on shortwave radio. >PO Box 20728 >Portland, OR 07220 >011 506 249 1821 > >Simon Wiesenthal Center >Area of Expertise: White supremacist groups.(with a side arm for militia >monitoring) >9760 West Pico >Los Angeles, CA 90035 >(310) 553-9036. > > >There are some other Nizcor & Dees spies on MAM and we will post a better >list latter. I just though that all of MAM should know who their real >enemies are. Notice how they are the ones that were afraid we would tell >you the truth and that the National Alliance would make their lies look >like just what they are LIES. National Alliance as individuals have >worked with many militias and correspond regularly and are friends with >many militia members. Some National Alliance members are also militia >members. This is why the enemies of truth and of America have stormed on >this group.. see them post after everyone of our posts .. they are trying >to suppress the truth. The National Alliance has blown their cover to >assist MAM. And look at who stated, after he was caught and exposed by >the NA, that he invited Nizcor/ADL to MAM for it's own good.. so now they >are on two fronts. They are on their publicly open accounts and on their >subversive accounts. Now that Arlin has brought them to MAM how does MAM >ever expect to get rid of these traitors these Anti-American, Anti-Militia >paid whores? > >Arlin has proven himself to be a true enemy of MAM as well as all the >enemy agents. > From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:47 PST 1996 Article: 44069 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (d9fd1179d5c84d9b13572dff01440c80) References: <846861494$20890@atype.com> <846975812$6166@atype.com> <846978514$6858@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:03:42 GMT Message-ID: <847274622$6694@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arlin Isuues Physical Threats. Lines: 78 On Sat, 2 Nov 96 23:48:34 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) wrote: > > >In article <846975812$6166@atype.com>, AnnDaltyn wrote: >> >>In article <846861494$20890@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >> >>>In article <846843484$19817@atype.com>, Brian Smith >>>wrote: >>>>This is inaccurate. There are Whites of EVERY White sub-ethnicity in >>>>the ALLIANCE: Nordics, Mediterraneans, Alpines, Dinarics, and >>>>Baltics. The National Alliance is a Pan-Aryan organization. It >>>>stands for those of European descent WHEREVER they may be found! >>> >>> Wow, Nordics, Baltics, Dinarics. What about Hooked on Phonics? >> >>Yeah yeah Mike and Lions and Tiger and bears.. oh my... Were you >>threatened by the fact that you had to look these things up and might be >>ashamed that you could be a member of one of these sub-ethnicities and not >>know your own identity. >> >>BTW the Hooked on Phonic program is a very good one. > >Yeah, and so is Amway, I'm sure. > >As to my ethnicity and identity, I am an African-Asian-Native >American-European-Australian-Indian-Pacific >Islander-Jewish-Catholic-Protestant-Atheist-Muslim-Buddhist-Hindu-straight- >gay-bisexual-AMERICAN. > >And proud of it! It seems that every one has forgotten why I started this topic. Alrin uses threats and intimidation against me and no one protests? Mark, I would think that this would be a classic case for you, but I guess freedom and my protection from illegal threats doesn't make your humanitarian conscience. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:48 PST 1996 Article: 44070 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (3c8013172a3f9ca12765d675a838b6bf) References: <846821073$18423@atype.com> <847066699$13837@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:03:53 GMT Message-ID: <847274633$6718@atype.com> Subject: Re: "Mr. Wizard" (PGISSource) is a COMMUNIST WIZARD! Lines: 79 On Mon, 4 Nov 96 0:18:19 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: > >In article <846821073$18423@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) >writes: > >> As is pointed out to him ad infinitum, White Nationalism >>REJECTS egalitarianism, is AGAINST gun control, and has NOTHING TO DO >>with any workers' revolt. > >then why wont you even attempt to counter any of the points Wiz has made >in his posts concerning the gross similarities between your beloved >notional appliance and the communists, little ianazi? People are really >beginning to believe that you may not have any answers for them...is that >so? > >Arlin H. Adams Actually, this NG is not the place for the long answers anymore. Hell, I can't even get you to use short answers to yes or no questions. The simple fact is that I am not a capitalist. Capitalism is a system of exploitation of the working class. Communism-Socialism-Marxism is exploitation of the owners and managers of industry. If we were to look at the National Socialist system of Germany (1933-1945), government worked for all classes and not one against the other. It mediated diputes between management and worker and never allowed exploitation of either class. One of the key's to Germany's success was that the country had a common unifying cause. After it became known that exploitation was no longer allowed, Germans of all classes began to work together as a team. They had pride in their work and pride in themselves. Germany prospered because everyone received a fair wage and those who were gifted rose to the top by virtue of merit. One could become rich, but one could not under pay their employees. I could take apart Jim's posts piece by piece, but he is not my concern. My concern in so-called leaders like yourself who push your garbage of diversity. You are leading good people with you into a third world hell and I am proud to be your enemy. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:49 PST 1996 Article: 44071 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (f987009d2187b7268cc5cd9e5564f980) From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:04:05 GMT Message-ID: <847274645$6743@atype.com> Subject: Ban Arlin Adams Lines: 22 >I do not make threats, billynazi, for threats are merely empty gestures. >I give warnings, which since you have no concept of fair warning you >wouldn't understand, and I make *promises*. Now that you have, by virtue >of posting it, acknowledged receipt of my fair warning, that was all that >was neccessary. I know you don't understand that, but perhaps in time you >will learn. > >Arlin H. Adams Due to the use of threats and intimidation, Arlin has shown that he is incapable of sharing this NG with others. He is also a threat to free and open discussion of milita related topics. Therefor, I ask the moderator to ban Arlin. Best Regards, Vincent From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:49 PST 1996 Article: 44072 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (7a7182b0ef54a33a3e3be2e9bea721a0) From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:04:16 GMT Message-ID: <847274656$6769@atype.com> Subject: Arlin issues threats: NA Victorious. Lines: 65 >> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia >>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution >>as well as many others. >I will say this only once. You do NOT want to play this game. >While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, >a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, >and they WILL take offense at your words. I cannot say >what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you >would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves >only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* >warning you are likely to receive. > >Arlin H. Adams I suppose the nerve I touched was the media nerve. The media nerve is the central nervous system of a media whore politician who bases all of his opinions on media sentiment. Arlin like many other self-styled "leaders" have supported everything >from homosexuality to satanism in their attempt to satisfy the Jewish media God (TM). While Arlin and his type support multi-culturalism and an open boarder policy which will render America a non-White nation with a few decades, the National Alliance will work for the interests of White Americans. So my fellow Americans, if you like things the way they are in this country, don't worry, Arlin will be working hard to ensure you get more of the diversity, crime, violence, decay and social engineering that you've grown so accustomed to. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:50 PST 1996 Article: 44082 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c35bbb2190d64707f881b0e0867ccd22) From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:48:28 GMT Message-ID: <847277308$6912@atype.com> Subject: The ADL: America's Greatest Enemy Lines: 340 The ADL: America's Greatest Enemy Did you know that there is a secret espionage and "dirty tricks" agency operating with impunity in communities across the United States, spying and maintaining files on thousands of ordinary Americans, an organization which is not even a part of the U.S. government? Did you know that a former top official of this group has stated in sworn courtroom testimony that this organization is actually an agent of a foreign government, the government of Israel? Did you know that one of the biggest stories of this year, which has been downplayed by most, though not all, of the establishment media, is the discovery of thousands of stolen police intelligence documents and supposedly confidential government data on thousands of Americans in the files of this nefarious group? This un-American and anti-American espionage agency for a foreign government, and international conspirator against our nation and our people's freedom is officially known as the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, or ADL for short. The ADL was founded in 1913 as an adjunct to the international Jewish fraternal order and secret society, the "B'nai B'rith," whose name, translated literally from Hebrew means "sons of the cut" - referring to circumcision - which is a figure of speech usually interpreted as meaning "Sons of the Covenant." While posing as a public-spirited "civil rights" group, they have been working for decades to disarm law-abiding Americans, to control our sources of news and other information, and enslave us under a totalitarian world government which many have come to call the "New World Order." They do this through overt and covert propaganda, the creation of humanitarian-sounding front groups secretly controlled by the ADL, by the conducting of brainwashing sessions called "sensitivity-training" for members of our police forces, by the production and introduction into the public schools of ADL propaganda as "textbooks" or "resource material for teachers," and by their cozy relationship with the controlled media, which routinely print and broadcast ADL propaganda releases as so-called "news." Now it is apparent that the section of the ADL that they call their "Fact-Finding" division has been engaging in illegal espionage against American citizens on a scale undreamt of by the KGB. And, ladies and gentlemen, my friends - they've just been caught in the act. One of the top ADL spies in this country, Mr. Roy Bullock, a homosexual from San Francisco posing as an "art dealer" whose specialty was the infiltration of patriotic, Arab-American, and other organizations on behalf of the ADL, has been found to have in his possession illegally obtained data, stolen from police and other confidential government files; data that was also discovered in the files of the ADL itself when police recently raided ADL headquarters in San Francisco and Los Angeles. We and other patriots have been telling you for many years that the ADL was the greatest enemy of American's freedom and independence - a far greater enemy than the KGB ever was. Now, at long last, a few brave and, as yet, lonely, journalists from the establishment media have broken their decades-long silence on this dangerous group, triggered by the police investigation of stolen files that led to Roy Bullock and the ADL. I often criticize the establishment media on this program, and I think they, in general, richly deserve the appellation "controlled media," as any reader of our research report, Who Rules America well knows. But let me now give credit where credit is due, especially to the reporters at the Los Angeles Times and ABC News, who put their careers on the line to report some of the grisly truth about an organization which acts as though it is untouchable and above the law. This is a story that every American needs to hear. It may well be the most important story I've ever covered on American Dissident Voices. ~ Let's begin this amazing story with an article from the Los Angeles Times of 9th April, 1993, by Richard C. Paddock: "Dateline San Francisco: Police on Thursday served search warrants on the Anti-Defamation League here and in Los Angeles, seizing evidence of a nationwide intelligence network accused of keeping files on more than 950 political groups, newspapers, and labor unions and as many as 12,000 people. "Describing the spy operations in great detail, San Francisco authorities simultaneously released voluminous documents telling how operatives of the Anti-Defamation League searched through trash and infiltrated organizations to gather intelligence an Arab-American, right-wing, and what they called "pinko" organizations.... "...Police allege that the organization maintains undercover operatives to gather political intelligence in at least seven cities, including Los Angeles and San Francisco. "Groups that were the focus of the spy operation span the political spectrum, including such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, the White Aryan Resistance, Greenpeace, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the United Farm Workers, and the Jewish Defense League. Also on the list were Mills College, the board of directors of San Francisco public television station KQED, and the San Francisco Bay Guardian newspaper. "People who were subjects of the spy operation included former Republican Representative Pete McCloskey, jailed political extremist Lyndon LaRouche and Los Angeles Times correspondent Scott Kraft, who is based in South Africa.... "...In addition to allegations of obtaining confidential information >from police, the Anti-Defamation League could face a total of 48 felony counts for not properly reporting the employment of its chief West Coast spy, Roy Bullock, according to the affidavit filed to justify the search warrant. "The Anti-Defamation League disguised payments to Bullock for more than 25 years by funnelling $550 a week to Beverly Hills attorney Bruce I. Hochman, who then paid Bullock, according to the documents released in San Francisco. Hochman, a former president of the Jewish Federation Council of Greater Los Angeles and one of the state's leading tax attorneys, will be out of the city until late next week and could not be reached for comment, his office said. "Until 1990, Hochman, a former U.S. prosecutor, also was a member of a panel appointed by then-Senator Pete Wilson to secretly make initial recommendations on new federal judges in California. Hochman is a former regional president of the Anti-Defamation League.... "David Lehrer, executive director of the Los Angeles ADL office, said the organization has not violated the law.... "...But in an affidavit filed to obtain warrants for Thursday's searches, San Francisco police allege that 'ADL employees were apparently less than truthful' in providing information in an earlier search conducted without a warrant.... "...The police affidavit contends that Lehrer had sole control of a secret fund used to pay for [what the ADL calls] 'fact-finding operations.' Lehrer, according to the documents, signed checks from the account under the name 'L. Patterson.'... "...League officials will not confirm or deny whether Bullock was an employee and have said they simply traded information with police departments about people who might be involved in hate crimes." Let me add here that the category of crime called "hate crimes" was virtually invented by the ADL. The goal of the ADL in doing that is to criminalize any thought or action which impedes their program to turn America into a Third World province in a multicultural "world government." Under the Orwellian-sounding "hate crimes" laws, American citizens would receive different sentences for the same crime, depending on whether or not their thoughts are "Politically Correct" on issues relating to homosexuality, race, nationality, and politics; and ultimately, having certain "politically incorrect" opinions would become a crime in itself. I continue with another article from the Los Angeles Times, 13th April, 1993, also by Richard C. Paddock: "Dateline San Francisco: To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District. In reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation league for nearly 40 years. "His code name at the prominent Jewish organization was Cal, and he was so successful at infiltrating political groups that he was once chosen to head an Arab-American delegation that visited Representative Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) in her Washington, D.C. office. "For a time, 'Cal' tapped into the phone message system of White Aryan Resistance... ...From police sources, he obtained privileged, personal information on at least 1,394 people. And he met surreptitiously with agents of the South African government to trade his knowledge for crisp, new $100 bills. "These are among the secrets that Bullock and David Gurvitz, a former Los Angeles-based [ADL] operative, divulged in extensive interviews with police and the FBI in a growing scandal over the nationwide intelligence network operated by the Anti-Defamation League.... "Transcripts of the interviews - among nearly 700 pages of documents released by San Francisco prosecutors last week - offer new details of the private spy operation that authorities allege crossed the line into illegal territory. "At times, the intelligence activities took on a cloak-and-dagger air with laundered payments, shredded documents, hotel rendezvous with foreign agents and code names.... "On one occasion, Gurvitz recounts, he received a tip that a pro-Palestinian activist was about to board a plane bound for Haifa, Israel. Although the Anti-Defamation League publicly denies any ties to Israel, Gurvitz phoned an Israeli consular official to warn them. Shortly thereafter, another [Israeli government] official called Gurvitz back and debriefed him. "The court papers also added to the mystery of Tom Gerard, a former CIA agent and San Francisco police officer accused of providing confidential material from police files to the Anti-Defamation League... ...Bullock said it was Gerard who sold official police intelligence. Bullock said he split about $16,000... evenly with Gerard, telling him at one point, "I may be gay, but I'm a straight arrow."... "Gerard fled to the Philippines last fall after he was interviewed by the FBI, but left behind a briefcase in his police locker. Its contents included passports, driver's licenses, and identification cards in 10 different names; identification cards in his own name for four different embassies in Central America; and a collection of blank birth certificates, Army discharge papers, and official stationery >from various agencies. "Also in the briefcase were extensive information on death squads, a black hood, apparently for use in interrogations, and photos of blindfolded and chained men. "Investigators suspect that Gerard and other police sources gave the ADL confidential driver's license or vehicle registration information on a vast number of people, including as many as 4,500 members of [just] one target group [of interest to the ADL], the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee. "Each case of obtaining such data from a law enforcement officer could constitute a felony, San Francisco Police Inspector Ron Roth noted in an affidavit for a search warrant." Thank you, Richard C. Paddock and the Los Angeles Times. Now, at least a few of the ADL's nefarious deeds are being exposed to the light of day! 4,500 felonies! And that's just the illegal ADL files >from one small group that was on the ADL's enemies list! Evidence seized from ADL spy Roy Bullock's computer database indicate that the ADL was using him to compile data on individuals belonging to over 950 groups - and Bullock is just one ADL spy! This investigation has so far uncovered the merest tip of a gigantic iceberg of subversion and crime. Let us hope that those few honorable men left in our justice system in this country will hold to their guns and get to the bottom of this case, and prosecute those who are guilty, regardless of their prominence, wealth, or positions of influence in society. Now we turn to an article in the New York Daily News for 9th April, 1993, by Mark Mooney: "Police in San Francisco and Los Angeles yesterday seized documents >from a prominent Jewish-American organization accused of amassing confidential information - sometimes illegally - on thousands of people in the United States. "The alleged operation was directed from the New York City offices of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, ABC News reported last night. "The ADL has long been one of the most respected civil rights organizations in the country, tracking hate crimes and exposing prejudice. "But ABC said that for several decades the spying operation has snooped into the records and activities of more than 10,000 people in the United States, including many who simply opposed the policies of Israel and South Africa.... "The report identified the leader of the intelligence ring as Irwin Suall. "Sources told the Daily News that Suall is one of about 15 people in the ADL's research department in Manhattan. Neither Suall or other ADL officials could be reached for comment. "We're talking about the use of information from Department of Motor Vehicles files, other confidential files of state and local agencies, illegally furnished and illegally received by private agencies," San Francisco District Attorney Arlo Smith told ABC. "Similar raids were carried out in Los Angeles and San Francisco in February. "The report did not surprise militant Arab-Americans or militant Jews here. "'They have been in this business for years, and I personally have been a target," said M. T. Mehdi, head of the Arab-American Relations Committee. "From the days I was in San Francisco in the 1960s, I had a feeling that someone was looking over my activities.'" Many questions remain to be answered in this investigation into the spying operations of the ADL. In my opinion, one of the main reasons that this story saw the light of day at all is that many Leftist and "Liberal" groups were targeted by the ADL for infiltration and so-called "fact-finding," in addition to the ADL's normal targets of patriots and nationalists on the Right. If the ADL had only violated the privacy and Constitutional rights of "Right-wingers," it is unlikely that the current scandal would have been allowed to emerge in the press. But since the Leftists and the "Liberals" form such a powerful part of the establishment in this country, and since they are obviously only imperfectly controlled by the forces behind the ADL, the screams of pain from the Left could not be ignored. And they were screams not only of pain, but of betrayal. After all, much of the Left considered the ADL to be their ally. Wasn't Irwin Suall, current top ADL spymaster, a former national secretary of the Socialist Party of America? Wasn't the ADL the leader in the fight to get self-defense weapons out of the hands of dangerous right-wing American farmers, homeowners, and senior citizens? Wasn't the ADL the chief organization engaged in brainwashing - er, I mean educating Americans to accept a multicultural, non-American, non-Western future? What these Leftists failed and probably still fail to understand is that the forces behind the Anti-Defamation League go far beyond the terms "Left" or "Right." Though the ADL is undoubtedly a foreign agent on behalf of the government of Israel, it is also far more than that. It is nothing less than the organizational outcropping of a vast network of influence and control working ceaselessly to bring about the end to American freedom and sovereignty - and in fact, and end to the freedom and sovereignty of every nation - and to bring into existence a world government controlled by the forces behind the ADL. They work to infiltrate, manage, and control groups of all political, racial, ethnic, and social persuasions. Those that they cannot control they seek to destroy by perverting our legal system so that certain opinions become "thought crimes." They care nothing for socialism, communism, or capitalism. They have used all of these and more to advance their aims, and have quickly discarded them if they no longer suited their purposes. Ladies and gentlemen, there is far more material on the ADL, its illegal and un-American activities, and the current scandal in which it is embroiled than I can possibly fit into this one program. With your indulgence, I am going to continue this fascinating story on next week's program. What I do want each and every one of you to do is to obtain a copy of our extensively documented research report on the ADL, which was compiled for the June 1990 edition of our patriotic magazine National Vanguard. It's available to you now as our Radio Offer Number 6, to every listener who requests it and donates a minimum of $5 to keep this program on the air. Send as much as you can afford to keep our voice of truth on the public airwaves, a gift of at least $5, and request Radio Offer Number 6. Write to National Vanguard Books, Department R, PO Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946 USA. That's $5 or more to National Vanguard Books, Department R, PO Box 90, Hillsboro, WV 24946 USA. And remember to ask for Radio Offer Number 6. You cannot understand the perilous situation of our nation - unless you understand the insidious agenda of the ADL. I'll continue this vital message next week - on American Dissident Voices. Http://www.natvan.com From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:51 PST 1996 Article: 44086 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (159248f91cc296a4af3fe52706152d5a) References: <846436683$18452@atype.com> <846706830$9599@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:04:27 GMT Message-ID: <847274667$6793@atype.com> Subject: Re: St.Petersburg riot Lines: 60 On Wed, 30 Oct 96 20:20:30 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote: > >In article <846436683$18452@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) >writes: > >>A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. >> As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957. > >Just what member of Congress introduced this information? > >Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com) > Coming from a guy who investigates x-files charecters, I think you could spend some of your fee time researching the future of your country. But, I will find out the answer and get back to you soon. "Has any one noticed that many who are close to Scully end up dead? Her father, her sister, now her dog. So now we see in the next episode that something turns people into killers and Scully is infected and threatens Mulder." Randy Ragsdale on what's important in life. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:52 PST 1996 Article: 44089 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c0ab5b8993a68cf46316f11f04d0b54c) References: <847001914$10115@atype.com> <847042484$11649@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:04:41 GMT Message-ID: <847274681$6817@atype.com> Subject: Re: Israel-Palestine Lines: 59 On Sun, 3 Nov 96 17:34:44 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: > >In article <847001914$10115@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith) >writes: > >>Rather, YOU you should go over and fight for Israel, since blasting >>the tops of Palestinian children's heads off with Uzis is an activity >>you so sacredly defend is Israel's divine privilege! > >I see, little brianazi, so then you believe that the Palestinians have >reserved the right to the suicide bombing of commuter busses, eh? > >Arlin H. Adams Huh? So the collective punishment of innocent children has what to do with suicide bombings'? Best Regards, Vincent >From the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188 by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel) "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the commander of the military police post on the base. At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time, even if they were taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the radio so no one would await their return. That is where I would come in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small town of Tel Aviv. I'd always assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive, but brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area. It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic, bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast they worked and make them more efficient. What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the fact that was taking place but rather the clamness and understanding with which I accepted it." From thebok@dreamon.com Wed Nov 6 14:59:52 PST 1996 Article: 44092 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (8eb49b32174144c04c53224ebba1ba0c) References: <846861494$20890@atype.com> <846975812$6166@atype.com> <846978514$6858@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 23:33:05 GMT Message-ID: <847236785$3757@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arlin Isuues Physical Threats. Lines: 78 On Sat, 2 Nov 96 23:48:34 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) wrote: > > >In article <846975812$6166@atype.com>, AnnDaltyn wrote: >> >>In article <846861494$20890@atype.com>, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >>(Mark T Pitcavage) writes: >> >>>In article <846843484$19817@atype.com>, Brian Smith >>>wrote: >>>>This is inaccurate. There are Whites of EVERY White sub-ethnicity in >>>>the ALLIANCE: Nordics, Mediterraneans, Alpines, Dinarics, and >>>>Baltics. The National Alliance is a Pan-Aryan organization. It >>>>stands for those of European descent WHEREVER they may be found! >>> >>> Wow, Nordics, Baltics, Dinarics. What about Hooked on Phonics? >> >>Yeah yeah Mike and Lions and Tiger and bears.. oh my... Were you >>threatened by the fact that you had to look these things up and might be >>ashamed that you could be a member of one of these sub-ethnicities and not >>know your own identity. >> >>BTW the Hooked on Phonic program is a very good one. > >Yeah, and so is Amway, I'm sure. > >As to my ethnicity and identity, I am an African-Asian-Native >American-European-Australian-Indian-Pacific >Islander-Jewish-Catholic-Protestant-Atheist-Muslim-Buddhist-Hindu-straight- >gay-bisexual-AMERICAN. > >And proud of it! It seems that every one has forgotten why I started this topic. Alrin uses threats and intimidation against me and no one protests? Mark, I would think that this would be a classic case for you, but I guess freedom and my protection from illegal threats doesn't make your humanitarian conscience. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Thu Nov 7 08:50:14 PST 1996 Article: 44165 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (618a9d6c9eb987d3e65e2b7a938c6bdf) References: <847274645$6743@atype.com> <847298162$8806@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 23:48:11 GMT Message-ID: <847324091$11980@atype.com> Subject: Re: Ban Arlin Adams Lines: 76 On Wed, 6 Nov 96 16:36:02 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: > >In article <847274645$6743@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) >writes: > >>Arlin has shown that he is incapable of sharing this NG with others. > >ROFLMAO! as I pointed out to annazi, I've been here over two years and am >still here, you've been here one month and are being banned...I'll let the >record speak for itself. > >Arlin H. Adams Talking to yourself? Next you'll be quoting yourself. Sorry to join the"Arlin pats himself on the back thread" but I thought I would point out that you and your ADL-Nizkor buddies have been CONTROLLING this sub for two years. I feel it is time to take this sub back. In your little microcosm of American democracy, special interests (The ADL, Nizkor and Governments agents) simply vote to exclude patriots while the patriots cannot themselve vote against the special interests. The moderator acts as the media; ignoring requests from one group and favoring requests from another. The favored group gets to present the issues, decided of the vote and only include themselves as voters. If this sub is an example of your inegrity as a political force, thank you, but I've had enough. You (Arlin) and your Nizkor agent friends are nothing more than agent provocateurs, who lead discussions into favored areas while the real patriots are excluded. Very handy indeed. This is the same as talk radio or any other "mediated" forum, where behind the scenes interests control which issues are raised and which ideas are censored. Censorship is your only hope to rid yourselves of dissent. I expected nothing less from you. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Thu Nov 7 08:50:14 PST 1996 Article: 44167 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (c475adb9eb2fff3cc1026302b66747fd) References: <847226002$2527@atype.com> <847246753$5041@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 10:48:08 GMT Message-ID: <847277288$6888@atype.com> Subject: Re: VOTE ON THE BANISHMENT PROPOSAL. NOW IS THE TIME Lines: 67 On Wed, 6 Nov 96 2:19:13 GMT, dbuxton@exis.net (Darrell Buxton) wrote: > >pka00085@alpha.wvup.wvnet.edu (jrs) wrote: > >>I encourage all to VOTE on the banishment proposal that has been put >>forward in this newsgroup. This is a chance reclaim this newsgroup >>from the pond scum who have taken over. This is not censorship. This >>is a moderated newsgroup, and being such, is akin to a private club. >>If these racists insist on posting off topic the NG can ban them. > >>Please vote. > >Since this is election day, and I have been voting on other obscure >referendums, I feel your post deserves a response. > >To put it simply, IF this is a moderated newsgroup, then it is the >moderator who controls the pace and subject matter. Every time I send >a message here I get an email response of approval or disapproval. > >Banishment, or even a vote on banishment is not something that "we" >are supposedly adhereing to in our beliefs. To do so would be a sure >sign of hypocrisy of the highest form. > >Like others, I have had run ins with the defendants. Unlike others, I >said my piece and left it at that. Continuing to throw daggers at >these "gentlemen" merely gives them the same kind of resolve we have >all had to garner since OKC. > >YOUR views have been banished from America's forum. How does it effect >your personal resolve? Banning is not the answer. Banning is something >the opponents view as proof of "selective" censorship, yet another >lable they pin on the militia. > >Many are worried about the "appearance" such posts may have on the >perceptions of visitors to the newsgroup. Some have even claimed that >the posts are by federal agents posing as white supremists. Well, rest >assured, the militia reputation isn't exactly equal with someone like >Clinton. There ARE white supremeists in the militia, whether you want >them there or not. It is a fact we must deal with. As for federal >agents, well prove it or shut up. Regardless, most visitors have firm >convictions, one way or the other. Changing that view by individual >postings is very slim. > > > Darrell, Thank you for your honesty. I have personally tried my hardest to remain civil since I first found this topic. It is with great joy, that I see a normal non-threatening post presenting an honest opinion. In a vote for censorship, I will always vote NO. Let the moderator know that this is my offical vote. I have always believed that all ideas are open for discussion and since I am not religious or politically correct, there is no subject which I am not prepared to discuss on logic grounds. Again, that you for your honest remarks. They (Arlin, Mike, Wiz and all the Nizis) should be calling you a Nazi and sending you threatening mail within the hour. Best Regards Vincent From thebok@dreamon.com Thu Nov 7 08:50:15 PST 1996 Article: 44242 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (216656d7b6e2978df55d530e6d0f27b7) References: <847274656$6769@atype.com> <847298938$9072@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 18:48:15 GMT Message-ID: <847306095$9836@atype.com> Subject: Re: Arlin issues threats: NA Victorious. Lines: 19 On Wed, 6 Nov 96 16:48:58 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: > >Yo! Wiz! yet another duplicate post, yet another point for me! I wonder >if billynazi's masters forgot to send him the database update again? >Arlin Adams > >In article <847274656$6769@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) >writes: > >>>> On the contrary, > For what ever reason, my posts do not appear anymore from my side. I am working on the problem. And it seems when they appear, they are doubles. From thebok@dreamon.com Sat Nov 9 06:02:14 PST 1996 Article: 44460 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (908c6cbe46727a2b6180fb694781b3f8) References: <846527622$24361@atype.com> <846538515$25431@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!swrinde!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 20:18:24 GMT Message-ID: <847484304$23647@atype.com> Subject: Re: Israel-Palestine Lines: 28 On Mon, 28 Oct 96 21:35:15 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote: > >In article <846527622$24361@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) >writes: > >> But, what troubles me most about all this is that we support Israel >>with money and military aid and allow people loyal to them so serve in >>our government and military. It seems a little scary...if you ask me. > >Good! it probably scares the daylights out of your allies as well. Good >again! The Israelis are an excellent example of how to deal with those >who would impose their will on us by force of arms, such as the various >white supremacist movements in this country. Take a lesson, billynazi, >take a lesson. > >Arlin H. Adams Are you implying then that force is necessary to impose your will? How does that differ from somebody imposing their will (by force) upon you? It seems from your above statement that you fully support the use of torture and biological experiments on people as long as it serves you, but at the same time whine about others (such as the government) who use their force to impose their will upon you.. Reinzi From thebok@dreamon.com Thu Nov 14 09:39:03 PST 1996 Article: 45183 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (dfe3047d2daa7a597dc2470145efb11e) References: <847132384$18798@atype.com> <847686785$4916@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!hookup!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 19:35:04 GMT Message-ID: <847827304$12545@atype.com> Subject: Re: Thanks, Ian:The National Alliance is America's Only Hope - Lines: 72 On Mon, 11 Nov 96 4:33:05 GMT, Simone wrote: > >Thanks, Ian, for making the options clear for this newsgroup. > >This newsgroup either gets rid of the National Alliance or we become >a recruiting ground for the NA. And as I have continually said, >they already have their own newsgroup; they shouldn't take over this >one. If you've already voted against the ban, you might want to >reconsider in light of the following: > >Sheldon >Vancouver, BC. > > But of course, you are interested in banning National Alliance members. Jews have always been in the forfront of the deprivation of rights. What is most interesting, is the willingness shown by the so-called militia members here, to your presence. You and the other NIZKOR Jews are as opposed to the militias as your are opposed to the National Alliance, since we represent resistance to political correctness, but so-called militia leaders like Arlin "Commie" Adams lick your boots. I suppose equalitarianism makes for strange bed fellows. As the National Alliance grows, so will the organized resistance to White survival. The homo's and the Jews, not wanting to be left out, will surely begin to form their own armed factions as we approach our inevitable doom. Just as all multi-cultural empires split into racial factions, so shall America. As for mysels, ban me or not, I will help to organize White Americans and Whites around the world. So Sheldon, please continue to side yourself with Arlin's militia, it should help us immensely in our quest to awaken Whites to the face of our traditional enemies. Best Regards, Vincent "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Thu Nov 14 09:39:04 PST 1996 Article: 45239 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (3a58fb95f98cd44321a361415de3fb90) References: <847696683$5324@atype.com> <847718283$6111@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cornellcs!uw-beaver!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 19:34:39 GMT Message-ID: <847827279$12531@atype.com> Subject: Re: M.A.M. Censorship is Bigotry, Hypocrisy, and Cowardice Lines: 74 On Mon, 11 Nov 96 13:18:03 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. Medintz) wrote: > >Whilst completely naked, Brian Smith said unto us: > >>What a disgraceful admission of defeat it is to see the M.A.M. people >>resorting to censorship. They "justify" their censorship on several >>specious grounds. > >If our banning is our disgrace, and you win if you're banned, then why not >go into self-imposed exile? I hear alt.chrome.the.moon is lovely this time >of year. > >BTW, it has nothing to do with beliefs-notice that even Joe Bunkley and Les >Griswald were never banned. It's just because we don't like you. > >-- >Mike S. Medintz :"And the good lord giveth, and he taketh away, > : and the restless shall go, and the faithful shall stay >KB9ODS :...and the rain came down."-Steve Earle, poet. And this is your so-called "tolerant" "democracy"? Simply ban those you don't like. I wonder what the founders would think of that line of thought? Again, here is the reason why you and your kind are a failure. Claim to represent "equality" but this equality only extends to those you favor. You claim to want "democracy", but you only want democracy with those you approve of. You claim to represent the Constitution, while depriving those you do not agree with the right to speak in opposition. In short, you are a hypocrite and a tyrant. This is why the National Allaiiance scares the hell out of you. We do not simply accept you hypocracy and we are offering a alternative to your illogical rantings. Best Regards, Vincent http://www.natvan.com "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Thu Nov 14 09:39:05 PST 1996 Article: 45240 of misc.activism.militia Approved: militia-request@atype.com (e44c55cc9c7b5212517f679c63031fb1) References: <847727341$7045@atype.com> <847731783$7277@atype.com> From: thebok@dreamon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Return-Path: news@IntNet.net Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cornellcs!uw-beaver!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 19:34:31 GMT Message-ID: <847827271$12517@atype.com> Subject: Re: ianazi sets himself up *and* uses socialist terminology at the same time! Lines: 108 On Mon, 11 Nov 96 17:03:03 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com wrote: > >In article <847727341$7045@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) >writes: > >>Utter nonsense. My wife and I just had the pleasure of meeting Ann >>yesterday. > >sure you did ianazi...was that before or after the conference with martin >borman? Actually, I had the opportunity to meet both Ian and Ann in Cleveland over the weekend. FYI, the National Alliance held a European-American Cultural Festival which many of us attended. >>Trust me, Arlin, she's a 100% lady and a long-time NA member. The NA has >a > >LOL! ?trust you? the only thing a nazi can be trusted to do is lie... Adhominem. Since the beginning of my time here, that you have lied and used utter hypocracy. You have shifted your views and when cornered, simply lie. Additionally, you have aligned yourself with groups which work day and night to defame and destroy the militia movement. You are a traitor and a lier. These simple facts are widely known and accepted. >>very progressive view of women and several are in top spots in the NA - >>unlike your neo-militia. > >YO! WIZ! note the use of the term 'progressive'! LOL tell you what >little netnazi, why don't you go tell J.P. just how 'progressive' you are? > LOL! J.P.? Progression is a logical outcome of honesty and logic coupled with an attempt to understand human nature. The role of women has been traditionally that of nurturer, however, in certain situations there are women who can fill positions which traditionally have been male roles. Essentially, the National Alliance is a progressive movement aiming towards progression or evolution. >so, what you're saying here ianazi is that your organization totally >rejects the nazi german notions concerning women, AND you also reject the >subservient position of women throughout _the turner diaries_? careful >little netnazi...you're saying your putative leadership is both sexist and >wrong...are you sure that's a healthy thing for you to do? > >Oh, and by the way, I'm glad to hear my posts are still causing trouble >with your leadership...that's intentional. The National Alliance is not concerned with forcing unnatural "equality" between the races or the sexes. There are certainly traditional roles for mena nd women and very few exceptions. If you prefer a society were women are taught that motherhood is the highest honour, then you would prefer life in a National Alliance run world. It is important to me that children have a family again and a healthy world begins with a good parenthood. I remember a saying that I once heard that sum my feeling up. "Work honours a women as it does a man, a child however, enobles the mother." I have always like this. We need a healthy society again. This future starts with the National Alliance. Best Regards, Vincent http://www.natvan.com "We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." "Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity, and human nature. This country is really too big, made up of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's citizens." -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts. "Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere? Did you know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as everybody else? " "my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you doesn't it? Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable leverage. How does that make you feel billynazi?" -Arlin "Gay Rights" Adams. From thebok@dreamon.com Tue Nov 26 06:37:44 PST 1996 Article: 113973 of alt.conspiracy Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!news From: thebok@dreamon.com Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.islam Subject: Re: blood sucking Brian Smith Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:54:44 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3299af4a.90937902@news.intnet.net> References: <54pa3a$mfb@is05.micron.net> <54r89m$akc@is05.micron.net> <327bc712.7761058@news.netonecom.net> <54st1v$859@is05.micron.net> <327948b3.33265418@news.netonecom.net> <555lk9$pfu@is05.micron.net> <32778785.5075@ccnis.net> <559mqr$a5e@is05.micron.net> <55f3fa$pqr@keelung.transend.com.tw> <55gccm$oa0@is05.micron.net> <55ml5n$gt9@keelung.transend.com.tw> <55qs1s$9l5@is05.micron.net> <56vrnt$d97@is05.micron.net> <574f34$836@news.internetmci.com> <5791a6$cds@is05.micron.net> <57auhi$l15@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.252.55.117 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.clinton:335860 alt.discrimination:56957 alt.politics.white-power:50423 alt.politics.nationalism.white:36965 alt.skinheads:43878 alt.conspiracy:113973 alt.religion.islam:34131 On 25 Nov 1996 01:59:14 GMT, Laura Finsten wrote: >It is all refuted at http://www.nizkor.org Excuse me Laura, but personal attacks and questions of personal character are not a refutation. An example of this is the handling of Fred Leutcher. As I read the "refutation" of the Leutcher Report, it was immediately apparent that the forensic evidence was not on trial, but Fred Leutcher himself. Just is the case with David Irving. As a self taught man in many areas of science, I earn a living by my knowledge. I could have gone back to collage to complete my studies in certain areas, but I have found that the methods and techniques of a skill are often learned by trial and error. This is the one great attack used against Mr. Irving and the 37 (?) books he has written ove the last 20 years. Though I can produce press clippings and reviews which praise his work, Nizkor bases its entire attack on David Irving on the fact that he never got a degree in history. Basically, Nizkor has an agenda which is to slander those who they do not agree with. One only need to attempt discussion with Nizi types online to see that this "standard" of argumentative adhominem is a consistant strain in all of Nizkor related posts and arguments. Generally, those who have encountered Nizkor are left with a similar conviction. Nizkor is without respect and is nothing more than a front for a Synagogue in Victoria, B.C.. Best Regards, The Bok From thebok@dreamon.com Thu Nov 28 07:24:09 PST 1996 Article: 37033 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!news.escape.ca!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!news From: thebok@dreamon.com Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.islam Subject: Re: The Holocaust Memorial is for all people. Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:34:08 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 92 Message-ID: <3299ac2e.90142035@news.intnet.net> References: <54r89m$akc@is05.micron.net> <54tiq5$89f@news1.panix.com> <54ugj2$if9@is05.micron.net> <54urtq$g6j@news1.panix.com> <551tng$q8t@is05.micron.net> <553abj$18g@news1.panix.com> <555mae$pfu@is05.micron.net> <556ba1$1og@news1.panix.com> <559a22$jes@keelung.transend.com.tw> <3278C536.46B3@vegas.infi.net> <55e875$kvo@is05.micron.net> <327f3a56.4090973@206.13.95.227> <55gbj4$oa0@is05.micron.net> <55ng5e$rce@keelung.transend.com.tw> <55t7re$e3v@epx.cis.umn.edu> <55tdoc$52i@news1.panix.com> <55tsq2$map@epx.cis.umn.edu> <32865CD4.2A42@wlink.net> <3285efab.566826@news.idsonline.com> <328F6931.3AE2@abby.inworks.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.252.55.117 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.clinton:336027 alt.discrimination:56989 alt.politics.white-power:50486 alt.politics.nationalism.white:37033 alt.skinheads:43938 alt.conspiracy:114139 alt.religion.islam:34161 On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:36:17 -0800, Linda O'Flynn wrote: >Theron Rake wrote: >> >> On Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:53:19 +0000, Richard Latker >> wrote: >> >> >> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >> > >> >> >Please cite some historical text that claims Arabs and Muslims were >> >> >killed in the Holocaust. >> >> >> >> >Generally speaking, the Arab states were sympathetic to >> >> >Hitler--partiicularly the Mufti of Jerusalem, though he led no state. >> >> >As for Muslim states, the only one Hitler occupied was Bosnia, and >> >> >there were no deportation of non-Jewish citizens from there. >> >> >> > >> >I don't have access to historical documents, but what you've written >> >strikes me as untrue. >> >... ... >> >Also, I was struck by the limited take on genocide at the holocaust >> >museum in DC. >> >I left a comment in the guestbook saying that while the exhibition was a >> >powerful condemnation of anti-semitism and the repulsive events of the Nazi era, >> >its message was diluted by the fact that no other major genocidal events of this century >> >were even mentioned (I mentioned Cambodia and Armenia). >> >> I doubt this will have much effect... >> >> It makes sense to focus on >> >the Nazi >> >holocaust, because (a) there is a substantial Jewish population in the >> >US >> >> According to the New York Times, 1.8% of the U.S. population. Far >> less than blacks, who have yet to receive their "Holocaust Museum". >> Explain that? >> >> and (b) it >> >took place under the "full light of history" >> >> There's a meaningless phrase! >> >> . But since he museum is >> >largely publicly >> >funded, I found the non-acknowledgent of the suffering of other peoples >> >to be very >> >disturbing. >> >> Well, other people don't matter so much. >> >> > >> >Regards, >> >RL > >The Holocaust Museum is a memorial dedicated to all victims of the Nazi >Holocaust of World War II. If other groups want their own museum then >they should make an effort to organize it. I suppose that having Jews controlling the majority of America's mass media helps. > I can think of at least two >non-Negro groups who certainly should be honored in a similar fashion. >The first would be the Native Americans who were killed, marched, >starved, etc. during the settlement of the United States. The >mistreatment of Negroes has always been and continues to be a major >political issue, and yet, with not just the United States Government's >knowledge, but with their consent and assistance, a dedicated effort was >made to destroy all Native American populations in the area that became >the United States. Negroes were enslaved and forced to work, no effort >was made for their genocide. The second example would be what the >English did to the Irish (and for that matter, the population of every >land they 'colonized') when they conquered Ireland. The Irish were made >virtual slaves on the land they had once owned, forced to raise food that >was sent to England, and allowed to starve when the potato crop failed in >spite of the fact that other crops were unharmed. They weren't allowed >to keep part of the harvest to feed themselves and their families. >I am in no way excusing what happened during the Nazi Holocaust. I >simply am pointing out that there have been many groups abused by other >humans. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man never ceases to amaze me. It just happens that Jews as a group, seem to be a "special" group. This is the exact reason why multi-culturalism is a failure. Every group wants to enfranchise themselves over others and rule themselves according to their own standards. Best Regards, The Bok

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