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WHO RULES AMERICA?

The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken 

By the Research Staff of National Vanguard Magazine, PO Box 330,
Hillsboro, West Virginia 24946 USA. FAX#
304-653-4690 

There is no greater power in the world today than that wielded by the
manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or
pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a
power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen
men who control America's mass news and entertainment media. 

Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home
in America, and it works its will during nearly every
waking hour. It is the power which shapes and molds the mind of
virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or
sophisticated. 

The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us
what to think about that image. Essentially everything we
know -- or think we know -- about events outside our own neighborhood
or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our
daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our
television. 

It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories
>from  our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of
history-distorting TV "docudramas" which characterizes the
opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They
exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of both
the news and the entertainment which they present to us.

For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are
emphasized and which are played down, the reporter's
choice of words, tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of
headlines; the choice of illustrations -- all of these
things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we
interpret what we see or hear. 

On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any
remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to
think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological
techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can
be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart
money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should
be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people
or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or
situation comedy and having the other TV characters react to them in
the Politically Correct way. 

                               Molding American Minds

For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and
socially sought after by other characters, as will a "take
charge" Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented
homosexual, or a poor but honest and hardworking illegal
alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist -- that is, any
racially conscious White person who looks askance at
miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America
-- is portrayed, at best, as a despicable bigot who is
reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous
psychopath who is fascinated by firearms and is a menace to all
law-abiding citizens. The White racist "gun nut," in fact, has become
a familiar stereotype on TV shows. 

The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an
unhealthy portion, distinguishes between these fictional
situations and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to
the televised actions, statements, and attitudes of TV actors
much as he does to his own peers in real life. For all too many
Americans the real world has been replaced by the false reality
of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge
to conform responds. Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses
approval of some ideas and actions through the TV characters for whom
he is writing, and disapproval of others, he exerts a
powerful pressure on millions of viewers toward conformity with his
own views. 

And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news,
whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about this form
of thought control is that even when we realize that entertainment or
news is biased, the media masters still are able to
manipulate most of us. This is because they not only slant what they
present, but they establish tacit boundaries and ground
rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion. 

As an example, consider the media treatment of Middle East news. Some
editors or commentators are slavishly pro-Israel in
their every utterance, while others seem nearly neutral. No one,
however, dares suggest that the U.S. government is backing
the wrong side in the Arab-Jewish conflict and that it served Jewish
interests rather than American interests to send U.S.
forces to cripple Iraq, Israel's principal rival in the Middle East.
Thus, a spectrum of permissible opinion, from pro-Israel to
nearly neutral, is established. 

Another example is the media treatment of South Africa. Some
commentators seem almost dispassionate in reporting the
news of racial strife from that country, while in the voices of other
commentators there is open hatred of the White South
Africans and unrestrained admiration for the Blacks. All of the media
spokesmen without exception, however, take the Black
side; they differ only in the degree of their partisanship. 

Because there are differences in degree, however, most Americans fail
to realize that they are being manipulated. Even the
citizen who complains about "managed news" falls into the trap of
thinking that because he is presented with an apparent
spectrum of opinion he can escape the thought controllers' influence
by believing the editor or commentator of his choice. It's
a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation. Every point on the
permissible spectrum of public opinion is acceptable to the media
masters -- and no impermissible fact or viewpoint is allowed any
exposure at all, if they can prevent it. 

The control of the opinion-molding media is monolithic. All of the
controlled media -- television, radio, newspapers,
magazines, books, motion pictures -- speak with a single voice, each
reinforcing the other. Despite the appearance of variety,
there is no real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas
accessible to the great mass of people which might allow them
to form opinions at odds with those of the media masters. They are
presented with a single view of the world -- a world in
which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant
nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, the wickedness of
attempting to halt a flood of non-White aliens from pouring across our
borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and
bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the
desirability of a "pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather
than a homogeneous one. It is a view of the world designed by the
media masters to suit their own ends -- and the pressure
to conform to that view is overwhelming. People adapt their opinions
to it, vote in accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it. 

                                Television Broadcasting

And who are these all-powerful masters of the media? 

For a partial answer, consider television broadcasting, which
undoubtedly has become the most powerful medium for
determining the way Americans think and behave. 

Not counting certain specialized cable news systems, virtually all
national and international TV news broadcast in the United
States is gathered, filmed, edited, and put on the air by just three
companies: American Broadcasting Companies (ABC),
Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS), and National Broadcasting Company
(NBC). Most televised entertainment programs
viewed by Americans are broadcast by the same three networks. Each of
these three has been under the absolute control of
a single man over a long enough period of time -- ranging from 32
years to 55 years -- for him to staff the corporation at
every level with officers of his choosing and thus to place his
imprint finally, totally, and indelibly upon it. 

In each case that man has been a Jew. 

Until 1985, when ABC merged with Capital Cities Communications, Inc.,
a New York-based media conglomerate, the
chairman of the board of directors and chief executive officer (CEO)
of the network was Leonard Harry Goldenson, a Jew.
He had headed the network since he became president of the predecessor
corporation, American Broadcasting-Paramount
Theaters, Inc., in 1953. (The name was changed to American
Broadcasting Companies, Inc., in 1965.) In an interview
published in the April 1, 1985, issue of Newsweek, Goldenson boasted,
"I built this company [ABC] from scratch." 

Under the 1985 merger terms, Goldenson became chairman of the
executive committee of the new company, Capital
Cities/ABC, Inc. 

Although the chairman and CEO of Capital Cities now is Thomas Murphy,
a Gentile, he has made no move to replace the
men at ABC who served Goldenson, and the network retains its Jewish
character today. 

CBS was under the domination of William S. Paley for more than half a
century. The son of immigrant Jews from Russia,
Paley left the family cigar business in 1928, when he was 27, to buy
United Independent Broadcasters for $500,000. He
renamed it Columbia Broadcasting System and made himself president. He
became chairman of the board in 1946 and held
that post until his partial retirement in 1983. 

When independent broadcaster Ted Turner, a Gentile, made a bid to buy
CBS in 1985, there was panic in media
boardrooms across the nation. Turner had made a fortune in advertising
and then had built a successful cable-TV news
network, CNN. Although Turner employed a number of Jews in key
executive positions in CNN and had never taken public
positions contrary to Jewish interests, he is a man with a large ego
and a strong personality and was regarded by Paley and
the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at
some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore,
Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly
charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for
Jews. 

To block Turner's bid CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish
theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence
Tisch to launch a "friendly" takeover of the company, and since 1986
Tisch has been the chairman and CEO of CBS,
removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. 

NBC was formerly a subsidiary of Radio Corporation of America (RCA),
which was controlled for 40 years, beginning in
1930, by David Sarnoff, another Jewish immigrant from Russia. When
Sarnoff died in 1970 his son Robert took over. In
1986 General Electric Co. merged with RCA, and now NBC is a wholly
owned subsidiary of General Electric. 

There has been no move by top G-E management to change the Jewish
"profile" of NBC or to replace key Jewish personnel.
To the contrary, new Jewish executives have been added: examples are
Steve Friedman, hired in May 1990 as executive
producer of NBC Nightly News and succeeded in January 1993 by Jeff
Zuker. 

                                Entertainment Industry

The extraordinary concentration of Jews in the TV industry certainly
explains much of the bias of television news. As
important as the control of television news programming is, however,
television entertainment is even more decisive in
determining the way Americans think. Tens of millions of Americans,
especially younger ones, never watch network TV news
broadcasts, but instead keep their sets tuned to the entertainment
programs. And it is in the entertainment field that Jews have
maintained the firmest control. 

The man in charge of the television entertainment division at CBS is
Jeff Sagansky. At ABC the entertainment division is run
by two men: Ted Harbert handles the business end of the division, and
Stuart Bloomberg is in charge of entertainment
programming. Brandon Tartikoff became president of NBC Entertainment
in 1980 and held that post for a decade, until he
was promoted to chairman in 1990. When he left NBC in July 1991 to
take the post of chairman at Paramount Pictures the
new president of NBC Entertainment, Warren Littlefield, assumed
control. 

Sagansky, Bloomberg, and Littlefield pick the programs their networks
will broadcast: the game shows, the interview shows,
the situation comedies, the historical "docudramas," the family
series, the adventure series, the specials. They tell the program
developers what they want to see in the programs. They veto anything
they don't like. They determine the slant each program
will have. They decide just how hard to push various propaganda themes
in their network programming: interracial marriage,
homosexuality, feminism, gun control, "Holocaust" re-enactments, the
menace of "White extremism." 

Only one in 36 U.S. citizens (2.8 per cent) is a Jew. But nearly all
of the men who shape young Americans' concept of reality,
of good and evil, of permissible and impermissible behavior are Jews.
In particular, Sagansky and Bloomberg are Jews. So is
Tartikoff. Littlefield is the only Gentile who has had a significant
role in TV entertainment programming in recent years. This
Jewish control of the American entertainment industry and its
influence on the American psyche goes far beyond television
programming for the major networks; it also includes virtually
everything which comes out of Hollywood's film studios. The
May 1990 issue of American Film magazine listed the top 10 (in terms
of gross revenues in 1989) U.S. entertainment
companies and their CEOs and ranked them by size. They were, in
descending order, Time Warner Communications (Steven
J. Ross), Walt Disney Co. (Michael D. Eisner), NBC (Robert C. Wright),
Paramount Communications (Martin S. Davis),
CBS (Laurence A. Tisch), 20th Century Fox Film Corp. (Barry Diller),
Columbia Pictures Entertainment (Victor A.
Kaufman), Viacom Inc. (Sumner Redstone), Capital Cities/ABC (Thomas S.
Murphy), and MCA Inc. (Lew Wasserman).
Of the 10 top entertainment CEOs listed above, eight -- Ross, Eisner,
Davis, Tisch, Diller, Kaufman, Redstone, and
Wasserman -- are Jews. Only two of the top-10 entertainment companies
have Gentile CEOs -- NBC and Capital
Cities/ABC -- and one of those -- Capital Cities/ABC -- has a Jew in
charge of its entertainment division. 

There have been a few personnel changes since the 1989 survey, of
course. When Japan's Sony Corporation of America
bought Columbia Pictures in October 1989, Victor Kaufman was replaced
by Peter Guber, also a Jew. Guber's overseer is
Sony's vice-chairman Michael P. Schulhof, who arranged the takeover;
he is a Jew too. In 1991 MCA was bought by
Matsushita, one of Sony's Japanese rivals, but Wasserman remains in
his old post. As a general rule, the Japanese are
motivated solely by economic interests in their buying of American
media, and they leave the propaganda to the Jews. More
often than not, in fact, Jews are the brokers of such Japanese media
buyouts. Just as Schulhof handled the Sony takeover of
Columbia, the Matsushita-MCA deal was arranged by Jewish media magnate
Michael Ovitz and Texas-Jewish
wheeler-dealer Robert Strauss, later appointed as George Bush's
ambassador to Moscow. Steven J. Ross died in December
1992, and now the top post at Time Warner is held by CEO (and
chairman) Gerald Levin, also a Jew. 

Barry Diller left Fox in February 1992. Rupert Murdoch, owner of News
Corporation, Fox's parent company, took a hand
in the management of Fox for a few months, but in November 1992 Peter
Chernin, formerly head of the Fox Entertainment
division, moved up to the top job as chairman of 20th Century Fox
Films Corp. Chernin is a Jew. Under him, as president of
Fox Entertainment Group since November 1992, is Sandy Grushow, also a
Jew. 

And Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein) has gained much prominence
since 1989, as two of his Viacom subsidiaries,
MTV and Nickelodeon, have acquired larger and larger shares of the
juvenile television audience. Redstone, who actually
owns 76 per cent of the shares of Viacom ($3 billion), is the largest
single purveyor of race-mixing propaganda to White
teenagers and sub-teens in America and Europe. MTV pumps its racially
mixed rock and rap videos into 210 million homes
in 71 countries and is the dominant cultural influence on White
teenagers around the world. Nickelodeon has by far the largest
share of the four-to-11-year-old TV audience in America and also is
expanding rapidly into Europe; most of its shows do not
yet display the blatant degeneracy which is MTV's trademark, but
Redstone is gradually nudging the fare presented to his
kiddie viewers toward the same poison purveyed by MTV. 

It is difficult to believe that such an overwhelming degree of control
of the entertainment industry by Jews came about without
a deliberate, concerted effort on their part. 

                                   Radio Broadcasting

The "big three" TV networks -- ABC, CBS, and NBC -- not only have a
virtual monopoly on commercial network television
broadcasting in the United States; they account for most of commercial
network radio broadcasting as well -- or they did
until recently. For many years their only significant competitor in
the latter arena, Mutual Broadcasting System (MBS), with
941 affiliated radio stations (but no TV stations) across the country,
was headed by Martin Rubenstein, a Jew. In 1985
Norman J. Pattiz, also a Jew, took over MBS as chairman and CEO. Two
years later Pattiz, through his holding company,
Westwood One, Inc., bought the NBC Radio Network from General
Electric. The MBS and NBC stations together make
Pattiz the number-two radio broadcaster in the nation, behind only
Capital Cities/ABC. The current MBS vice-president in
charge of news broadcasting, Ron Nessen, who formerly held the
position of White House press secretary under Gerald
Ford, is also a Jew. 

                                        Newspapers

After television, daily newspapers are the most influential mass
medium in America. Sixty-three million of them are sold (and
presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,640
different publications. One might conclude that the
sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a
safeguard against minority control and distortion.
Alas, such is not the case. There is less independence, less
competition, and much less representation of majority interests
than a casual observer would think. 

Only 412 (25 per cent) of the 1,640 publications are independently
owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only
121 of the total number have circulations of more than 100,000. Only a
handful are large enough to maintain independent
reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest must depend
on these few for all of their national and international
news. 

In only 54 cities in America are there more than one daily newspaper,
and competition is frequently nominal even among
them, as between morning and afternoon editions under the same
ownership. Examples of this are the Huntsville, Alabama,
morning News and afternoon Times; the Birmingham, Alabama, morning
Post Herald and afternoon News; the Mobile,
Alabama, morning Register and afternoon Press; the Springfield,
Massachusetts, morning Union, afternoon News, and
Sunday-only Republican; the Syracuse, New York, morning Post-Standard
and afternoon Herald-Journal -- all owned by
the Jewish Newhouse brothers through their holding company, Advance
Publications. 

The Newhouse media empire provides an example of more than the lack of
real competition among America's daily
newspapers; it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have
shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they
could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 31 daily newspapers,
including several large and important ones, such as the
Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans
Times-Picayune; the nation's largest trade book
publishing conglomerate, Random House, with all its subsidiaries;
Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television
broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the
country's largest cable networks; the Sunday
supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies
per week; some two dozen major magazines, including
the New Yorker, Vogue, Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's,
Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and
all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group. 

This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an
immigrant from Russia. When he died in 1979 at
the age of 84, he bequeathed media holdings worth an estimated $1.3
billion to his two sons, Samuel and Donald. With a
number of further acquisitions, the net worth of Advance Publications
has grown to more than $8 billion today. 

The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was in
large degree made possible by the fact that
newspapers are not supported by their subscribers, but by their
advertisers. It is advertising revenue -- not the small change
collected from a newspaper's readers -- that largely pays the editor's
salary and yields the owner's profit. 

Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper
over another with their business, the favored
newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning
of this century, when Jewish mercantile power in
America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise
in the number of American newspapers in Jewish
hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing
Gentile newspapers -- primarily as a result of selective
advertising policies by Jewish merchants. 

Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and
management are so thoroughly dependent upon
Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting
policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes.
It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays
the piper calls the tune. 

                               Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local
monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have
characterized the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers.
The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an
unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better
illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most
prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall
Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three,
dominating America's financial and political capitals, are the
newspapers which set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all
the others. They are the ones which decide what is news and what
isn't, at the national and international levels. They originate
the news; the others merely copy it. And all three newspapers are in
Jewish hands. 

The New York Times is the unofficial social, fashion, entertainment,
political, and cultural guide of the nation. It tells
America's "smart set" which books to buy and which films to see; which
opinions are in style at the moment; which politicians,
educators, spiritual leaders, artists, and businessmen are the real
comers. And for a few decades in the last century it was a
genuinely American newspaper. 

The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry J.
Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was
purchased in 1896 from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher,
Adolph Ochs. His great-grandson, Arthur Ochs
Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and CEO. The
executive editor is Max Frankel, and the managing editor is
Joseph Lelyveld. Both are Jews. 

The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33
other newspapers, including the Boston Globe,
purchased in June 1993 for $1.1 billion; twelve magazines, including
McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more
than 5 million each; seven radio and TV broadcasting stations; a
cable-TV system; and three book publishing companies. The
New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and
photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506
other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines. Of similar national
importance is the Washington Post, which, by
establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington,
has an inside track on news involving the Federal
government. 

The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin.
It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins,
purchased from him in 1905 by John R. McLean, and later inherited by
Edward B. McLean. In June 1933, however, at the
height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into
bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by
Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier and former partner of the infamous
Bernard Baruch, industry czar in America during the
First World War. 

The Washington Post is now run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene
Meyer's daughter. She is the principal stockholder
and the board chairman of the Washington Post Co. In 1979 she
appointed her son Donald publisher of the paper. He now
also holds the posts of president and CEO of the Washington Post Co. 

The Washington Post Co. has a number of other media holdings in
newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the
nation's number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek. The Wall Street
Journal, which sells 2.1 million copies each
weekday, is the nation's largest-circulation daily newspaper. It is
owned by Dow Jones & Co., Inc., a New York
corporation which also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the
weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among other things.
The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter R. Kann, who is a Jew. Kann
also holds the posts of chairman and publisher
of the Wall Street Journal. 

New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New
York Times and the Wall Street Journal. In
January 1993 the New York Daily News was bought from the estate of the
late Jewish media mogul Robert Maxwell (born
Ludvik Hoch) by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman.
The Village Voice is the personal property of
Leonard Stern, the billionaire Jewish owner of the Hartz Mountain pet
supply firm. The New York Post, suffering from
severe financial problems, has been bouncing back and forth for a year
among a succession of especially sleazy Jewish
billionaires -- Peter Kalikow, Steven Hoffenberg, Abraham Hirshfeld --
and Australian newspaper mogul Rupert Murdoch. 

                                   Other Mass Media

The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for
television, radio, and newspapers. Consider, for example,
newsmagazines. There are only three of any note published in the
United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World
Report. 

Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a
subsidiary of Time Warner Communications, the new media
conglomerate formed by the 1989 merger of Time Inc. with Warner
Communications. The CEO of Time Warner
Communications, as mentioned above, is Gerald Levin, a Jew. 

Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Co.,
under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham. Its
weekly circulation is 3.2 million. 

U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.3 million, is
owned and published by the aforementioned
Mortimer B. Zuckerman, who also has taken the position of
editor-in-chief of the magazine for himself. Zuckerman also owns
the Atlantic Monthly and New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News.


Or consider books. There are literally thousands of publishers in the
United States, and among these thousands are many with
little or no direct Jewish control; there are some which actually dare
to publish books not approved by the Jewish
Establishment. But all of the latter publishers are very small, and
their books seldom reach the great mass of Americans who
buy their reading material from drugstore news racks or from the chain
bookstores. 

Among the giant publishing conglomerates, however, the situation is
quite kosher. Three of the six largest book publishers in
the United States, according to Publishers Weekly, are owned or
controlled by Jews. The three are first-place Random
House (with its many subsidiaries, including Crown Publishing Group),
third-place Simon & Schuster, and sixth-place Time
Warner Trade Group (including Warner Books and Little, Brown). 

As pointed out above, the Newhouse family owns Random House, and
Gerald Levin is CEO of Time Warner
Communications, of which Time Warner Trade Group is a division. Simon
& Schuster is a subsidiary of Paramount
Communications, Inc. (formerly Gulf and Western, Inc.), of whom the
chairman and CEO is Martin S. Davis, as already
noted. 

Another publisher of special significance is Western Publishing.
Although it ranks only 13th in size among all U.S. publishers,
it ranks first among publishers of children's books, with more than 50
per cent of the market. Its chairman and CEO is
Richard Bernstein, a Jew. 

Those are the facts of media control in America. Anyone willing to
spend a few hours in a large library looking into current
editions of yearbooks on the radio and television industries and into
directories of newspapers and magazines; into registers
of corporations and their officers, such as those published by
Standard and Poors and by Dun and Bradstreet; and into
standard biographical reference works can verify their accuracy. They
are undeniable, and when confronted with them Jewish
spokesmen customarily will use evasive tactics. "Ted Turner isn't a
Jew!" they will announce triumphantly, as if that settled the
issue. If pressed further they will accuse the confronter of
"anti-Semitism" for even raising the subject. It is fear of this
accusation which keeps many persons silent who know the facts. 

But we must not remain silent on this most important of issues! The
Jewish control of the American mass media is the single
most important fact of life, not just in America, but in the whole
world today. There is nothing -- plague, famine, economic
collapse, even nuclear war -- more dangerous to the future of our
people. 

By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media we
are doing more than merely giving them a decisive
influence on our political system and virtual control of our
government; we also are giving them control of the minds and souls
of our children, whose attitudes and ideas are shaped more by Jewish
television and Jewish films than by parents, schools, or
any other influence. 

The Jew-controlled entertainment media have taken the lead in
persuading a whole generation that homosexuality is a normal
and acceptable way of life; that there is nothing at all wrong with
White women dating or marrying Black men, or with White
men marrying Asiatic women; that all races are inherently equal in
ability and character -- except that the character of the
White race is suspect because of a history of oppressing other races;
and that any effort by Whites at racial self-preservation
is reprehensible. 

                                   Our Responsibility

We must oppose the further spreading of this poison among our people,
and we must break the power of those who are
spreading it. It would be intolerable for such power to be in the
hands of any alien minority, with values and interests different
>from  our own. But to permit the Jews, with their 3,000-year history of
nation-wrecking, from ancient Egypt to Russia, to hold
such power over us is tantamount to race suicide. Indeed, the fact
that so many White Americans today are so filled with a
sense of racial guilt and self-hatred that they actively seek the
death of their own race is a deliberate consequence of Jewish
media control. 

Once we have absorbed and understood the fact of Jewish media control,
it is our inescapable responsibility to do whatever
is necessary to break that control. We must shrink from nothing in
combatting this evil power which has fastened its deadly
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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 3:48:03 GMT, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D. Sybesma)
wrote:

>
>On Sat, 12 Oct 96 16:18:23 GMT knbell [knbell@top.monad.net] wrote:
>
>: The Bok wrote:
>: > ---------
>: >  Well Ken, it looks like we have a first class secret agent here. Not
>: > only is he involved in saving America from the New World Order, but he
>: > also is working on the side of America's good friends...the
>: > Anti-Racist.
>: >  Now, siding with brotherly love groups like the ADL, JDL, The Simon
>: > Weisenthal  Center, and of course the eternal enemy of racist...the
>: > Communist Party, Alrin works for Truth, Justice and the Soviet way.
>: >  Please stay tuned for next weeks addition of:
>: >  "Arlin H. Adams: Marxist Utopian Superhero"
>: Dear Bok,
>: I have come to the same conclusion as you.
>: I hope Arleen Adams (he, she, or it,  is the question) reads this. I 
>: shall post the following to the next one of her postings I see just to 
>: make sure:
>: I have looked you up Arleen? and discover that over the last seven 
>: months, you have made 1400 postings to this group! Who is paying you? I 
>: do not know of any one of the hundreds of independant Militia groups who 
>: either have that kind of money to spare or share your bigoted and 
>: unconstitutional views on the suppression of free speech and free 
>: thought. Maybe the JDL, Arleen??? Please respond. There are many other 
>: Militia men who are most interested.
>: Cordially,
>: Ken
>
>What dumbasses like you do is contribute to the lie that the militia is mostly
>a bunch of hard core racist trash--such as you are.

I don't believe that you have the right to determine what militia
member think. You seem to forget the America's founders held the same
idea that you now attack. In addition, since this is a so-called
"free-country" and our Founders gave us the First Amendment, militia
members can think or say what ever they please. If you want a
totalitarian thought controlling state...please contact Arlin, he is
hard at work on that very project.

>Fact is, you and your ilk are headed straight for a burning hell unless you get
>on your knees and repent to an angry God who is displeased with your constant
>evil-mouthings against his chosen people, the Jews.

Since the Jews are Gods so-called "chosen people", why don't you just
become a Jew and your problems are all over. Besides, any God which
chooses one group over another is racist and bigoted and could use
some sensitivity training. Maybe you could teach your Lord about
"tolerance, "diversity" and "Multi-Culturalism" so that his prejudice
will stop? 

 Don't criticize the self-chosen or you go to hell. Very totalitarian.
Hasn't he heard of the First Amendment? Maybe the big jew in the sky
doesn't believe in rights??

>This being said, I myself am not a Jew but recognize them and respect them
>because of what God PLAINLY said to Abraham in Genesis 12:3--
>
>"...and I will bless them that bless thee, and CURSE him that CURSETH thee."

 Well, now we wee why the Jews have had an easy time conquering
America. 

>If you want to be ignorant and argue that the Zionist Jews are not in fact the
>genuine Jews and do not fall under the protection of God, your argument isn't
>with me, it's with the Bible.
>
>Meanwhile, you're under God's curse.

 Since I am not religious, I could care less. You are truly insane.

>It says what it says, and what you believe in is nothing more than the long
>disproved cultic rantings of people like Herbert Armstrong who started the
>damned-to-hell British-Israelism lie.

 No, I am not religious so I don't know where you get your information
from? Don't trust ADL agents even if they say they are friends of
Arlin. If I did follow a religion, I would follow a European relgion
and not a semitic one. I personally prefer that the good and the noble
rule the world and not the weak and the botched. A personal call.

>In case you didn't know, the Worldwide Church of God has since repented of all
>that false doctrine.  Sorry if you can't realize the B-I error yourself.

 Great!! And?? 

>In the end, the world is not run by a Jewish banking conspiracy.
>
>That old crap of a story was invented by cursed Jew-haters who are probably
>providing a lot of fuel for the fires of hell right about now.

 I know, anyone who criticizes the Jews is going to hell etc. That's
ok, even if it was true, and that was a bad thing, you couldn't do
anything about it anyway or it's a one way trip to the afterlife BBQ.

>That lie-filled conspiracy needs to die forever (and will), pure and simple.
>
>As to the militia, you don't have any legitimate claim of membership to it
>anymore than the ADL has any legitimate claim to anti-anti-Semitism.

 Did I forget to have Arlin sign my membership card again? Oh, dear.

>They have betrayed their own brothers and sisters just as much as you have 
>cursed God's chosen people.

>Any Jew or Christian who is willing to give up land to the >Palestinians for 
>peace cannot realistically be said to be a Jew or Christian, since God Himself
>gave to the Jews much more land than they now occupy, and it is His will that
>they would have occupied that land from the time God gave it to Abraham to
>forever.  To compromise on that is literally to disobey God.  Which is what
>Israel (as a picture of all of us, Jew or Gentile) has done throughout history.

 I am beginning to smell a rat here. And you work for who? The ADL?
JDL? AIPAC? Nizkor? The Simon Weisenthal Center? 

 So let me get this straight, America is for everyone and the Nazi's
were evil for deporting Jews, but Israel is for Jews only and
deporting, killing, torturing and using Arabs for medical experiments
is NOT evil. Did I get that right? Oh, that's right. They are God's
chosen people...I forgot. 

>And for that which God commands that you take possession of forever, that same
>thing you have no right to give away, nor do you even owe an apology for 
>demanding rightful ownership of it.  Such is the land of Israel to the Jews.

 Sound like the Talmud:

"It is permitted to pratice Usury on the Gentile, because the practice
of Usury
on a Gentile at any time pleases the Lord."
-Schulchan Aruch, Orah
Chaim, 539

 "A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take
care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah

 " A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated"
-Abode Shara, 37a

"Jews are human beings: the other people of the world are not human
beings but beasts"
-Bata Mezia

"God has given the Jews power over the possesions and blood of all
nations"
-Seph. Jp., 92,1.

"All things pertaining to the Goyim [cattle] are like a desert; the
first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own"
-Baba Bartha, 54b

"It is always a meritorious deed to get hold of a Gentile's
possessions"
-Shulchan Aruch

"All Israelites will have a part in the  future world...The Goyim, at
the end of the world, will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent
down to Hell."
-Zohar

"It is always a good deed to burn and destroy the non-Jewish place of
worship or whatever belongs to it or is done for it, and to throw the
ashes into the four winds."
-Shulchan Aruch, Jore Deah, 143

"The seed of a Christian is of no more value than that of a beast."
-Kethuboth, 3b

"If a Jew has raped a non-Jewish girl and another who saw it is called
as a witness, that Jew must, without compunction, swear falsely."
-Jore Deah

>And such is likened to all our God-given rights, by extension.
>
>God doesn't like wimpering cowards who compromise on principle.

He just wants the weak and the meak to rule the Earth. 

>That's what the ADL is.  They are pro-Oslo so-called 'peace' process.
>
>Essentially, the ADL is a group of anti-Zionist traitors.
>
>You have to remember that half of Israel voted for the traitor (Peres).
>
>It's sad that you don't know that there is deep division among Jews in Israel.
---------


And it seems Jews like yourself have a deep division in your cranial
cavity if you think that I care about your Christianity. Your
territorial expasion ideas should help American's understand why your
Jews are so hated in the Middle East. My siding with butcher like the
Israeli's, we are setting outselves up for terrorism and world
distain.

 You are a sick man. 


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 2:03:32 GMT, hmurdock  wrote:

>
>>Thank you for your elucidation on yer side of the Norse biker god
>>quasi-religion.  Kindly explain the basis of your "religion" in three
>>thousand words or less.  
>>
>>What is yer position on human sacrifice anyway?
>
>Aren't we getting a head start on Halloween? :)
>
>If you honestly wish to find out about Asatru,  why not go to Yahoo.com 
>and do a keyword search.  There is also a newsgroup:alt.religion.asatru
>
>>(profanity deleted)
>
>>You get no details from me beyond what I've already posted on the
>>incidents earlier this year.  You probably know about 'em anyway, if you
>>really travel in those circles.
>
>I still haven't seen any details at all.  I also find it hard to believe that any story about " Nazi human sacrifice" would escape t=
>he attention of the media.
>
>What is more likely is that the story is a hoax.  Could you have seen it somewhere on the internet,  believed it, and then spread it=
> without checking out all the details ?  And you cannot say who, where, when,what, or give the names of any newspapers, radio statio=
>ns or law enforcement agencies that might have any information,  yet resort to childish name calling  when anyone expresses skeptici=
>sm?
>
>Happy Halloween.
>HM
>
>
>
>
-----------

 Since human sacrifice has never been a part of the Nordic religions,
it is safe to say that this event is false. If is was true, then those
involved do not represent Odinists anymore than a wacko Christian cult
involved in similar activities is representitive of Christian beliefs.


 Our friendly Neo-Marxist Arlin, goes to great lengths to justify his
hatred of his own kind. Misinterpretation is the rule for those who
twist the truth to fit into their demented fantasies. 

Best Regards 


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 23:34:20 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <845249631$17625@atype.com>, joe@junior.apk.net (Joseph T.
>Adams) writes:
>
>>I believe that Arlin Adams (no relation to me, though we share the
>>same last name and very similar beliefs) is one of the more
>>level-headed and sane posters in this newsgroup, and I dare say that
>>not only pro-Militia posters, but even the more honest antis, would
>>agree.
>
>I agree.  While I don't share much of Arlin's libertarian or pro-militia
>ideas, I can safely say that he is no marxist as alleged by the various
>National Socialists who have recently crawled out from under their
>kanzlarbunkers to spread some of the most insane crap seen since those
>lovely Nuremburg rallies of the '30s.   
>
>
>
>
>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>
-------------
Arlin's Libertarian ideas are based in Marxist social philosophy.
Arlin has expressed the idea of Universal Human Equality again and
again. This is the foundation on which Marxism based its poison. He
believes that this country belongs to anyone who is here, so he
rejects the idea of nations belonging to a "certain" group. And he
wants "Democracy", which is the ultimate expression of the rule of
masses...which is a Marxist foundation.
 
 When you reject human differences you stand in opposution to Nature's
laws. Arlin blames his "Christianity" for his belief in Human
Equality, but regardless for the so-called reasons for his delusions,
he is pushing a philosophy which leads to a raceless, classless and
sexless society. If all people are equal, then women are equal to men
and blacks are equal to Whites and nations are only lines on a map. 
Arlin opposes the "New World Order" but either refuses to see or has
known all along, that his ideas are the basis for this new raceless
international government. The New World Order is the end result of
countries losing there sense of identity. If Japan is not for the
Japanese, Germany is not for Germans, Nigeria is not for Nigerian
Blacks and Russia is not for Russians, then why not merge all nations
together? Open the boards and make all the countries follow similar
laws since a nation's culture and heritage is not to be protected.

 It is a shame the people like Arlin are so blinded by guilt and self
hatred that they cannot see their collective responsibility to their
own people. 

Best Regards.

The Bearer Of Knowledge 


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 5:18:04 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> 
>> The "partially disabled" person, who has no visible means of support
>> except "odd jobs" "here and there," and who has an "intelligence"
>> background, who somehow has the spare time to "educate" and steer an
>> existing political movement in a certain direction which just happens to
>> be favorable to the ideology of an establishment which he claims to
>> oppose, and who seems to have instant access to ADL file material on his
>> opponents (his postings contain the same errors)... seems to me to be
>> worthy of note at the very least. These things, while not conclusive by
>> themselves, do fit a certain profile.
>> 
>
>In your teeth, f*ckface.
>
>Dear gawd, I can't believe I'm about to do this...
>
>Pitcavage, can you PPPPLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE either call this freaks off
>(if they are yours), or put them on that damned list and get them arrested?!
>
>Please!  I'll vote Democrat, just do something!
--------------------
 Well, I guess this Constitutional Militia member forgot about the
First Amendment. In one small post you have probably called for the
violation of atleast three of my Constitutional Rights. I guess your
beloved "diversity" and "Tolerance" is only for those which you agree
with. Kinda like the Communists...right? 

Best Regards.


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 23:03:06 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845432283$28427@atype.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> writes:
>
>>The "partially disabled" person, who has no visible means of support 
>>except "odd jobs" "here and there," and who has an "intelligence" 
>>background, who somehow has the spare time to "educate" and steer an 
>>existing political movement in a certain direction 
>
>ah, more of kevin's selective memory again...you forgot that I also
>mentioned I receive a small disability pension...and yes, my means of
>support are barely visible because I happen to be rather poorly off
>financially right now.  Remember kevin, I mentioned that everybody in the
>militia movement is a volunteer?  Being a volunteer means making
>sacrifices, mine include financial sacrifices.  I'm hardly alone in this
>circumstance - ALL of our people spend their own money toward the common
>goal of reinstituting liberty.  Secondly MY intelligence is what's
>bothering you, not my background in military intelligence.  Third, because
>I am partially disabled, I volunteer my services in those areas in which I
>can still contribute - hauling a 60 pound pack cross country all day NOT
>being one of them. You see, kevin, because the militias are voluntary
>communities, we are flexible enough to make use of the talents of a wide
>variety of people, unlike the rigid heirarchies of your own organization. 
>Lastly, I "steer" no one - I merely advise - you see as free people we
>allow our members to make up their own minds on the issues, rather than
>the dictatorial policy controls you are accustomed to experiencing in your
>own organization.
>
>You can't play us off against each other, kevin, because there is no
>struggle for control here, and thus no competition for you to manipulate. 
>You lose...again.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Myteriously missing is the information on his ADL contacts. I wonder
if he is the person keeping that sectret "list" that an earlier poster
mentioned? 

 Not to mention his "steering" the militia movement toward a kinder
Marxism. Next, Arlin will be promoting a New World Order as an
alternative to Taxes. 

Best Regards


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 23:34:55 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <845258671$18916@atype.com>, knbell 
>writes:
>
>>Was Abraham Lincoln "racist, and evil, and 
>>unamerican" because he advocated sending the Negroes back to their native
>
>>habitat?>
>
>In the technical sense, yes, Lincoln was a racist.  In fact, most whites
>were in the 19th Century.  However, unlike you bottomfeeders, most of
>America knows now that race or religion or creed has nothing to do with
>one's abilities.  Not one group is inherently superior to another.  Don't
>try and put past great American statesmen or leaders in the same hall of
>shame that includes the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, Rohm, Goering,
>Goebbels, Himmler, et al.  
>
>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>
------

Really. Don't confuse the Founding Fathers racism and care for the
preservation of the White race with "Hitler, Mussolini, Rohm, Goering,
Goebbels and Himmler's" care for the White race.

 Randy, since your busy re-writing history and changing the intent of
the Constitution and its Founders, do you think you can re-write the
tax laws too?

 Hypocrite.


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 15:03:13 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>
>
>In article <845437747$28757@atype.com>, Mo10Cav  wrote:
>>
>>Pitcavage imitates Neville Chamberlain at Munich:
>>
>>"I do not think that there is any reason to ban anybody from the newsgroup
>>merely for the opinions they hold.  These people will lose interest and go
>>away;  why start a precedent of censorship and banning?"
>>
>>Yeah, right, "Peace in our time."
>>
>>Besides, Marky gets paid by the name, and he needs all the names he can
>>get.
>
>I apologize for having the gumption to support freedom of speech.
-----------
 It is an amazing day when so-called "Constitutional Militia" types
call for banning the First Amendment. It just shows you the true
agenda of these misguided publicity sensitive Militia leaders. 

 Talking about freedom while acting like tyrants.

Best Regards,
The Bearer Of Knowledge

"We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to
preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European
blood."

 -- Col. Charles A. Lindbergh


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 20:19:31 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>BRS 1478 wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Militia Studies
>> From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ)
>> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 22:48:18 GMT
>> Message-ID: <845506098$1558@atype.com>
>> 
>> so you're up to what? a couple of thousand real members out of all of
>> North America?  Newsflash for you ian:  *WE* have individual CM units that
>> size.  Keep flinching ian, keep looking over your shoulder.
>> 
>> ========================
>> A homogenous White fighting force is always far more effective than a
>> racially mixed one.   Also, an force fighting for the very survival of its
>
>Yeah, they show up better in Starlight Scopes...;)

 How does it make you feel to speak of your own race that way? The ADL
should be very proud of you. You know Brian, this guy might get a
bonus on his check this week.

>> people will fight 10 times more ferociously than one merely defending a
>> document, or a superficial and debased "multicultural" ideal.
>
>Ferocity is quite often detrimental to the effectiveness of a campaign.
>Emotion is no substitute for cold, hard calculation.  Or patience.
>I hope for your sake that you never find out.

 I can hardly imagine that you or Arlin (Commie) Adams are
non-Emotional. In every post on this NG, your Neo-Red lemmings use
name-calling, cries for censorship and threats in place of sound logic
and respect. You are truly living in a dream world.

 >> Let's see how many members (not considering countless more
sympathetic
>> supporters) the National Alliance has in say, 10 more years of this
>> degenerate, multiracial filth.  The best among the militia will side with
>> those fighting to preserve their kind, not to protect your beloved
>
>Again, that English dialect you use has us stumped.  What does "best" mean
>in your lexicon?

>> multiracial morass, which is nothing more than an anti-White, chaotic zoo.
>>
>Not anti-white, just anti-elitist.  Tyrants all have elitist mindsets, and 
>come in all colours.  

 The elite Militia member claiming he is against elitists. What a
card.

 What is really happening here is historical revision and
un-Constitutional social engineers like Arlin (Commie) Adams are
trying to "revise" what the Constitution means to fit into his utopian
fantasy. The National Alliance states that nations are biological
organisms and boarders are ethnic bounderies while your philosophy
determines a nations to be a line on the map and citizenship is
lowered to the level of a fishing license. 

>This week seems to be White Sale week at "Wanna-be Tyrants 'R Us".

 Or bonus week at the ADL's White guilt and self hatred bargin bin.

>>  I guess by that time Arlin and what is left of his glorious "multiracial"
>> brigade can lead the charge.
>
>The shame of this situation is, if the militia actually mobilized against
>you and your hordes of a dozen or so, the media would never cover it, and
>the Feds would probably arrest the militia members.

 And the lesson from that? Treason never prospers. Selling out to the
system wins you no friend or favors. 

>Brian, what is your *objective* criteria for determining superiority?
>Sum it up in one or two sentences (and no photocopying allowed).

This discussion is not about "superiority". It is about the
preservation of White society and the protection of White Americans.
It is also about the Un-Constitutional ideas which so-called militia
leaders promote. Since I know militia members personally, I know that
their views are in complete opposition to those expressed by the new
Red leadership.

Dr. Pierce said it best: Truth before Fashion. Maybe you could
remember that when setting your policies.

Best Regards,
The Bearer Of Knowledge

THE STRANGER
By Rudyard Kipling

The stranger within in my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk-
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I tell.
We do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The stranger within my gate,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control,
What reasons sway his mood,
Nor when the gods of his far-off land
May repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear
And see the things I see;
Whatever I think of them and their likes,
They think the likes of me.

This was my father's belief,
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all of one sheaf
And the grapes be all of one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.



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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 15:49:34 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <845429585$28298@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>National Alliance membership has been doubling for the past few years. 
>>I'd hardy call that not growing. Once again, you don't know what you're 
>>talking about!
>
>Tiny groups can "double" very easily, say from 1 to 2 members, 2 to 4, and
>so on. That alone is a meaningless statement. Not to mention the number of
>LEO types that have also "joined" and given an inflated view of
>membership. The real test of vibility lies, as it does in ecology, in the
>long-term sustainable growth, not the early prokaryotic doubling stages of
>a few mutant forms.
>
>You also need to consider how fast the -opposition- has been growing ...
>have you??
>
>Mr. Wizard
----------
Mr. Wizard,

 From what I understand about the National Alliance, it has been in
existence since sometime in the early 1970's. I would call that
"long-term sustainable growth".  I live in Florida, and in my
community the National Alliance's presence is felt everyday. With two
weekly radio programs and daily TV programs which are sometimes run up
to three times a day, one can hardly imagine life without them. The NA
is in the News papers here often and uses the public library system to
distibute its fliers. I know this becuase I have help in some
activities.

 If you believe the National Alliance to be a small group, I can
assure you that you are mistaken. 

 One interesting result of people like yourself and Arlin (Commie)
Adams representing the militia movement, is that you are helping
undecided Whites leave politically correct militia groups to join the
National Alliance. If the current leadership of the militias remain in
the hands of racial traitors and un-Constitutional social engineers
like Arlin, the militia movement will become a haven for Neo-Marxist
revolutionaries. It almost reminds me of what I read about Germany,
when the Red Brigades fought Nationalist Militias for dominance. Many
who belonged to the Red Brigades joined because of patriotism and
found themselves defending not Germany and the German people, but
Marxist Ideas. In the end, patriots left the Reds and joined the SA.
Though we are not in Germany and the National Alliance is not the
NSDAP, today's situation involves similar ideas and similar results.

 In the end result one thing is clear: America is a White nation and
people are begining to organize in its defence. If you want to oppase
the ideas the Founding Fathers promoted in an attempt to derail
militias and use them for Social engineering, you are going to find
yourself the enemy of patriots and the ally of the New World Order.


"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature,
habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and
deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will
wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled up by free White
laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human
nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

-From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again
published by special Act of Congress in 1853. Quoted from page 51,
dated January 6, 1821.




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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 23:34:20 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <845249631$17625@atype.com>, joe@junior.apk.net (Joseph T.
>Adams) writes:
>
>>I believe that Arlin Adams (no relation to me, though we share the
>>same last name and very similar beliefs) is one of the more
>>level-headed and sane posters in this newsgroup, and I dare say that
>>not only pro-Militia posters, but even the more honest antis, would
>>agree.
>
>I agree.  While I don't share much of Arlin's libertarian or pro-militia
>ideas, I can safely say that he is no marxist as alleged by the various
>National Socialists who have recently crawled out from under their
>kanzlarbunkers to spread some of the most insane crap seen since those
>lovely Nuremburg rallies of the '30s.   
>
>
>
>
>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>
-------------
Arlin's Libertarian ideas are based in Marxist social philosophy.
Arlin has expressed the idea of Universal Human Equality again and
again. This is the foundation on which Marxism based its poison. He
believes that this country belongs to anyone who is here, so he
rejects the idea of nations belonging to a "certain" group. And he
wants "Democracy", which is the ultimate expression of the rule of
masses...which is a Marxist foundation.
 
 When you reject human differences you stand in opposution to Nature's
laws. Arlin blames his "Christianity" for his belief in Human
Equality, but regardless for the so-called reasons for his delusions,
he is pushing a philosophy which leads to a raceless, classless and
sexless society. If all people are equal, then women are equal to men
and blacks are equal to Whites and nations are only lines on a map. 
Arlin opposes the "New World Order" but either refuses to see or has
known all along, that his ideas are the basis for this new raceless
international government. The New World Order is the end result of
countries losing there sense of identity. If Japan is not for the
Japanese, Germany is not for Germans, Nigeria is not for Nigerian
Blacks and Russia is not for Russians, then why not merge all nations
together? Open the boards and make all the countries follow similar
laws since a nation's culture and heritage is not to be protected.

 It is a shame the people like Arlin are so blinded by guilt and self
hatred that they cannot see their collective responsibility to their
own people. 

Best Regards.

The Bearer Of Knowledge 


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On Tue, 15 Oct 96 17:48:03 GMT, mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman)
wrote:

>
>mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:
>>Banning people because of their opinions is not a good idea.  I don't have any 
>>objections to stopping spamming (Alaska, etc.) or egregious off-topicism, but 
>>just because I don't agree with their opinions is no reason for me to censor 
>>them.
>
>Bigotry is not opinion, it is idiocy.  It *is* spamming.
>----
>
>http://www.paranoia.com/~mike 
>
>Don't stick anything through my front door you don't plan on losing.
>
------------

 With this level of intellectual honesty, we should soon be debating
the temperature.

Best Regards,
The Bearer Of Knowledge

On October 13th, 1939, the following statement was made by the great
aviator and patriot Charles Lindbergh during a nationwide speech over
the Mutual Broadcasting System, a part of his effort to prevent the
horrible slaughter of World War II:

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology. It
is the European race we must preserve: political progress will follow.
Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury. If the White race is
ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take our part
in its protection: to fight side by side with English, French, and
Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual
destruction. Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to
dissipate hers in these wars of politics and possession."



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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 3:33:24 GMT, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
wrote:

>
>In message <845240588$16458@atype.com> - Kaa Byington > writes:
>:>It might as well be named that already.  This morning my newsreader 
>:>turned up 71 posts to m.a.m.  I did a quick run through, and of those 71
>:>43 were nazi posts or replies or items related to threads started by 
>:>nazis.  
>
>Why don't you just admit it - this newsgroup was dead before I and the others 
>decided to visit. I'm sorry we disturbed your little "patriot" circle jerk. 
>From what I've seen, you're no different than any bunch of pablum-pucking, 
>hateful, Liberals; challenge your opinions and you respond with half-truths 
>and nonsense. If that doesn't work, then use personal insults, smears, and 
>threats. Then if all else fails, use censorship - all the while whining like 
>a bunch of babies
>
>If you want to propagate watered-down Marxism and hippie-retread liberalism 
>disguished as "patriotism", then be prepared to take the heat from those who 
>know the difference.
>
>
>Yours truly,
>Ian McKinney
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Here here!!!

Best Regards,
The Bearer of Knowledge

"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemies
armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and
the great cause we are angaged in...to us much to be lamented that
each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and
the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America."

-George Washington, from "Maxims of Goerge Washington", A.A. Appleton
and Company.


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 20:03:26 GMT, "Dean Peet"  wrote:

>
>
>
>John C. Stephens III  wrote in article
><845578086$6362@atype.com>...
>
>> 
>> Hey!  Abusing Nazis is FUN.  Having them come over here saves us the
>> trouble of going out and looking for them.  I'll be sorry when they
>> leave, and probably have to go trolling the white power newsgroups just
>> to get my fix.
>> 
>> John
>
>You shouldn't be picking on those who can't fight back...That's a Nazi
>ideal. I think that we should just e-mail them with rap .WAVs and Louis
>Farrakhan .AVIs, no, wait they would have too much in common with Calypso
>Louie...let's just send them copies of MLK's 'I have a dream' speech. 

Be careful what you wish for. 

>	 Let them drag out all of the old, tired excuses and argument.  They will
>insult our great leaders ( not to mention our 'collective' intelligence).

Great leaders? And they are?? Amazing how the Constitution becomes a
tired old argument in the hands of the politically correct.

>They throw around all of clichés as to why the Holocaust never happened,
>how the Jews control everything, why we should submit to some racial
>totalitarianism after spending the 20th century fighting them, how WE are
>Marxist's, etc.

The truth hurts sometimes. I determine someones political or
philosophical leanings by looking at what they believe. That is why I
judge you and your ilk to be Neo-Marxists. There is no cliche's
needed. 

> When they are done drooling on the rest of us, they will
>leave, hopefully taking all of those weak-minded enough to believe that
>garbage with them.

Actually, I am beginning to like this place. I want to ensure that
when people come here looking for answers, I am here to give them to
them. Your equalitarian ideas already enjoy 24 hours a day on TV and
radio, here, they meet me.

Best Regards,
The Bearer of Knowledge

Martin Luther, 1483

"How the Jews love the book of Esther, which is so suitable to their
bloodthirsty, revengeful, murderous appetite and hope. The sun has
never shone on such a bloodthirsty and vindictive people, who cherish
the idea of murdering and strangling the heathen. No other men under
the sun are more greedy than they have been, and always will be, as
one can see from their accursed usury."


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 22:33:26 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845507093$1794@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>For the record, I'll attempt to give you the literacy level of the 20 
>>or so workers that I was referring to who have expressed racial ideas in
>my 
>>presence. Most have some amount of college, at least associate degrees in
>
>>engineering or currently working on their B.S., some already have B.S. 
>>degrees in Engineering or Science. One or two have no degrees, but at
>least 
>>some college or military technical schooling.
>>
>>I'd determine this group to certainly be literate, and most likely above 
>>average in intelligence.
>
>well, average anyway.  Which means that they fell into either the
>ignorance or intentional evil categories...I'll give *them* the benefit of
>the doubt and simply ascribe their beliefs to ignorance for now.
>
>>Sorry, if you're disappointed that we're not ditch-diggers, or working at
>
>>Burger King.
>
>didn't think so to begin with - ignorance has little to do with inherent
>intelligence, generally it involves lack of exposure to factual
>material...which is why racist leaders have always been into burning
>books, imprisoning people, and so forth...it allows them to maintain
>control of their 'followers'.
>
>Arlin H. ADams
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Today, militia leaders like Arlin (commie) Adams simply condone the
re-writing of history they no longer need to "burn books". After a
while, the only history is the "new" history. 

 In addition, I find your attacks onthe intelligence of working class
people to be a sign of your hypocritical elitism. The only saving
grace you have is the fact the the majority of working class people
can't afford a computer and an Internet connection so they can see
your illusions of grandeur. I always save your posts and I hope to put
together a collection of your insults against average working class
people and their families. 

 You are a pathetic hypocrite.


In an interview with a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921, the
great
industrialist and patriot Henry Ford stated as follows:

"It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct
relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went
out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very
prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went
into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled
the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered
all the basic materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they
talked so long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they
believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it
as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it
could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn
the ship back."



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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 2:33:44 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
Medintz) wrote:

>
>Whilst completely naked, Mike Chapman said unto us:
>
>>brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) wrote:
>>>Self-centered, ungrateful, and narrow individuals must be FORCED to
>>>relinquish a portion of their freedom for the survival of their people,
>>>when that people are endangered.  The survival of the race is FAR more
>>>important than the freedom of ANY mere individual.  If an individual dies,
>>>the race can still live on.  But if the race dies, all is lost.
>
>>Hahah, you're going to win so much support among rural white
>>Americans...  NOT.
>
>Well, since he's already lost damn near all of his support among urban
>and suburban whites, all Jews, all non-whites...maybe he finally found
>out that he can't sink much lower.
----------

 Since more and more White are beginning to feel threatened by the
current anti-White climate which is destroying America, your comments
are based in fantasy. 

 The ideas of certian Neo-Marxist militia leaders like Arlin "Commie"
Adams, however, are being rejected. While you are your demented PC
types place a well moistened forfinder up to the breeze of propaganda
coming from your TV, the National Alliance bases all of its ideas on
truth. 

 In the end, truth and fact always seem to win in the end. 

Best Regards,

The Bearer Of Knowledge

 "In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the
schimes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister
confederacy are mostly men reared up amoung the unhappy population of
countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if
not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and
divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes for the next world. This
movement amoung the Jews is not new. From the days of
Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky
(Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma
Goldman (America), this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of
civilization and the reconstitution of society on the basis of
arrested development, of envious malevolence, and immpossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable
part in the tragety of the French Revolution. It has been the
mainstream of every subversive movement during the nineteenth Century;
and and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the
under-world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the
Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically
the undisputed masters of that (Russia) enormous empire."

-Sir Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Febuary 8, 1920.


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 23:03:06 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845432283$28427@atype.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom
> writes:
>
>>The "partially disabled" person, who has no visible means of support 
>>except "odd jobs" "here and there," and who has an "intelligence" 
>>background, who somehow has the spare time to "educate" and steer an 
>>existing political movement in a certain direction 
>
>ah, more of kevin's selective memory again...you forgot that I also
>mentioned I receive a small disability pension...and yes, my means of
>support are barely visible because I happen to be rather poorly off
>financially right now.  Remember kevin, I mentioned that everybody in the
>militia movement is a volunteer?  Being a volunteer means making
>sacrifices, mine include financial sacrifices.  I'm hardly alone in this
>circumstance - ALL of our people spend their own money toward the common
>goal of reinstituting liberty.  Secondly MY intelligence is what's
>bothering you, not my background in military intelligence.  Third, because
>I am partially disabled, I volunteer my services in those areas in which I
>can still contribute - hauling a 60 pound pack cross country all day NOT
>being one of them. You see, kevin, because the militias are voluntary
>communities, we are flexible enough to make use of the talents of a wide
>variety of people, unlike the rigid heirarchies of your own organization. 
>Lastly, I "steer" no one - I merely advise - you see as free people we
>allow our members to make up their own minds on the issues, rather than
>the dictatorial policy controls you are accustomed to experiencing in your
>own organization.
>
>You can't play us off against each other, kevin, because there is no
>struggle for control here, and thus no competition for you to manipulate. 
>You lose...again.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Myteriously missing is the information on his ADL contacts. I wonder
if he is the person keeping that sectret "list" that an earlier poster
mentioned? 

 Not to mention his "steering" the militia movement toward a kinder
Marxism. Next, Arlin will be promoting a New World Order as an
alternative to Taxes. 

Best Regards


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 20:33:03 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>Ian McKinney wrote:
>> 
>> In message <845355804$24178@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>> :>Perhaps you
>> :>should consider why it is that our organization, based entirely on
>> :>volunteers, is ever-growing, while yours is not.  Perhaps you should
>> :>consider why you have that funny flinch, and we don't.
>> 
>> National Alliance membership has been doubling for the past few years. I'd
>> hardy call that not growing. Once again, you don't know what you're talking
>> about!
>> 
>> Yours truly,
>> Ian McKinney
>
>Yeah, doubling.  First, there was Ian.  Next year, there was Ian and Kevin.
>Third year, they each developed an alternate personality, so there were 4.
>
>Now, (due to the ability to include the guys at the Good Ol' Boys BBQ as members),
>there are dozens!

 Another attack on ordinary working class citizens. Your feelings of
class superiority shine through your hate filled posts. I can only
hope that all those hit hardest by your Neo-Marxist ideas remember who
you are.

On October 13th, 1939 the following broadcast was made by the great
aviator and patriot Charles Lindbergh, a part of his effort to prevent
the horrible slaughter of World War II. In this case I have an actual
recording of which I present a small excerpt:

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, and not of political
ideology. It is the European race we must preserve: political progress
will follow. Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury. If the
White race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to
take our part in its protection: to fight side by side with English,
French, and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our
mutual destruction. Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe
to dissipate hers in these wars of politics and possession."




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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 18:49:44 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <845589784$7267@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>writes:
>
>>>Ian McKinney
>>>    \|/
>>>     |
>>
>>cute trident (or is it a broken cross?) ... 
>
>interesting point, Wiz - I'd written it off as just some weird attempt at
>an ascii rune...these guys are into that sort of thing you know.
>
>>but it really won't help any
>>more than your pseudo-science arguments do against the overwhelming
>public
>>abhorence of your ideals.
>
>ayep...interesting that they feel so threatened that they have to use
>spiritual symbols on thier email, while at the same time avoiding any
>discussion of moral and spiritual issues, no?
>
>Arlin - Communist
>>
>
-----------------

 Since the Life Rune is the National Alliance symbol, I assume that it
was a statement of pride in his membership.

 Regardless, arguing that all posters "avoiding any discussion of
moral and spiritual issues" is erroneous. I am not religious by Nature
so a discussion on religion with me ends with my looking at you and
wondering if you still believe in Santa Claus. I do not mean to offend
those who are religious, including yourself, so I do not post on such
matters. Morals, however, are an open game.

 Personally, I have concluded that you are a hypocrite and probably
have misunderstood your own religion as horribly as you do the
Constitution. You have no stance which is based on fact and are
probably in the pay of the ADL or some government agency, or at best
just an idiot.

Best Regards,
The Bearer of Knowledge

"It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt
your truth so heavily that it does not even-quench thirst any more?"

-Nietzsche


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 6:48:31 GMT, mchapman@teleport.com (Mike Chapman)
wrote:

>
>Brian Smith is obviously a danger to himself and society.  Allowing
>him to post here lets us keep tabs on his mental state.  Please do not
>respond to Brian, and certainly do not taunt him.
>----
>
>http://www.paranoia.com/~mike 
>
>Don't stick anything through my front door you don't plan on losing.
>
----------------

Who wrote this?

"The right to free speech is ABSOLUTELY unrelated to being able to
post on a particular newsgroup or to Usenet at all, which is a private
club/publication.  It's funny how liberals always get these rights
confused.  Actually, it's dangerous.  It's about time to start killing
them (when in power) for it.

No need for trial, everyone working for the federal government is
participating in an ACTIVE conspiracy to violate our rights.
Self-defense against the ENTIRE federal government is required, and
any state governments which violate rights for that matter."

 You guessed it, Mike said it just today. now exactly WHO i dangerous?

Hypocrite.


"See our present condition -- the country engaged in war! -- our White
men cutting one another's throats ... and then consider what we know
to be truth.
 But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men
engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other ... It
is better for us both, therefore, to be separated ...
 You and we are different races. We have between us a broader
difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it
is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is
a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very
greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffers from your
presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it
affords a reason at least why we should be separated.

>From  Abraham Lincoln's Address on Colonization to a Deputation of
Negroes in Washington , D.C. on August 14, 1862 (Collected Works, Vol.
V, p. 371) 


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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 22:03:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <845626683$9831@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> Since human sacrifice has never been a part of the Nordic religions,
>>it is safe to say that this event is false. If is was true, then those
>>involved do not represent Odinists anymore than a wacko Christian cult
>>involved in similar activities is representitive of Christian beliefs.
>
>actually your second possibility is the correct one.  y'see bok, your
>upper echelon leadership will tell you anything they think will keep you
>in line...so for Pagans such as yourself they use an Odinist front, while
>for Christians, they use the identity movement as a front.  You're at a
>disadvantage in that the Pagan movement doesn't really have much
>coordination, and therefore it's somewhat easier for them to lie to you,
>that's all.

Again, you attempt to imply that Odinism involves ritual
sacrifice...which is does not. You seemed to have missed the part
about me being non-religious. 

 I have noticed atleast two individuals here refusing to discuss Jews
and their action because they are your God's so-called "Chosen
people". If that isn't the use of religion to influence a groups ideas
and actions, then I don't know what is.

>> Our friendly Neo-Marxist Arlin,
>
>LOL!  considering the percentage of the U.S. population which is
>distinctly *left* of me politically, you must perceive that the entire
>country is a marxist state!

 There is no doubt that a large portion of the US population follows
ideas like yours blindly. That should show a distinct agenda on the
part of the media. However, I judge you on the basis of your ideology.
Since what you beleive is consistant with some form of Neo-Marxism,
you are therefor exposing equalitarian Marxism.

 A rose is a rose.


>> goes to great lengths to justify his hatred of his own kind.
>
>I do not hate the human race.  I do, however, detest the white supremacist
>philosophy and all that it entails.

 Your hatred of what you don't agree with, has lead you to become and
enemy to your own people. The insane notion that you do not belong to
a race show the length that your philosophy has evolved past the
normal liberal.

 I can assue you, there are millions of Whites who know that they are
White and your ideas will be just the kind of proof they need to
remind them that they are under attack from ALL sides.

>>  Misinterpretation is the rule for those who
>
>no misinterpretation neccessary.  Here's a relatively easy one folks - go
>back to the summer and fall of 1989 and check the Tucson newspapers. 
>You'll find a series of stories concerning problems the authorities were
>having breaking up a drug smuggling organization that was operating
>cross-border between southern Arizona and northern Mexico.  Sometime in
>the fall you'll find a story concerning the fact that a joint US/Mexican
>raid on the drug smuggler's Mexican hide out netted a bunch of already
>dead bodies...a bunch of ritually murdered dead bodies.  Can you say
>"aryan nations drug running operation"?  Can you say "ritual sacrifice of
>non-caucasian Mexican peasants who'd been used as 'mules' by said
>operation"?  You're own people have been lying to you bok - you might want
>to check on that.
>
>Arlin H. Adams
--------

I do remember the news article you are speaking of. However, there is
no doubt that it had nothing to do with White nationalists. I am glad
to see your delusions are posted openly. 

Best Regards

The Bearer of Knowledge

"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemies
armies.
They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great
cause we are angaged in...to us much to be lamented that each state,
long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest
enemies we have to the happiness of America."

-George Washington, from "Maxims of Goerge Washington", A.A. Appleton
and Company.


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 0:03:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <845425083$28060@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
>
>>Implicit in these positions are the following, all of which are urgently
>>relevant to the militia debate:
>>
>>4)  That the Constitution was conceived to operate in a European milieu,
>>not an insane and debased multiracial Third World one.
>
>Mistake #2:  The Constitution was and is intended to work in the same
>multi-ethnic *American* society which has existed since this country was
>created.  It was not intended NOR WILL IT BE ALLOWED TO DEGENERATE INTO a
>means of racist domination.

An honest look at the attitudes of our Founding Fathers and the intent
of the Constitution show that you are incorrect. At the end of all my
posts I ad a quote or two from them.

 What you and the other new fangled milita leaders are doing was
expressed quite well by you when in a response to Mr. Strom you stated
the following:

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY.  not, as you would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied
through the prejudices and mistakes of the founders, BUT in it's clear
and ideal form, carried forward these two hundred and twenty years and
incorporating all that has been learned in that time."

 Rewriting history to suit your political agenda seems to be your
intent. If you can find others to follow you, then so be it. I will
expose you for what you are and help those who are confused see what
your anti-American agenda is really about.

The Bearer Of Knowledge

"Negro equality! Fudge! How long, in the government of a God great
enough to make and maintain the Universe, shall there continue knaves
to vend, and fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagoguism as this?"

Abraham Lincoln - Notes for Speeches, September 1859, Collected Works,
Vol 3, p 399,  



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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 6:48:03 GMT, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) wrote:

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>163@dyg.com (Doc Savage) wrote:
>
>>What?  No scientist has ever even been able to define what race is.  Cite
>>me any scientific proof of the existence of different "races".  It can't
>>be done.  There is only one race, the human race.  The are, however,
>>different ethnic groups withint the human race.  What really matter is
>the
>>specific actions of an individual and not what ethnic group he belongs
>>to.  Judge people based on their actions.  There are plenty of good and
>>bad people in every ethnic group.
>
>There are all sorts of genetic differences between Blacks and Whites. 
>Facial features, skin color, resistance to disease (Whites were recenlty
>found to possess a resistance to AIDS not found in Blacks), skin and hair
>textures, digestive tolerances, nutritional requirements, and
>intelligence.
>
>The greatest proof of the genetic differences between Blacks and Whites
>however,
>is in the widely-differing levels of advancement in their cultures. Blacks
>couldn't even invent the wheel and Whites landed on the moon.  Obviously,
>we're talking about RADICAL innate differences here.  Even despite being
>in close proximity with Whites for well over a century, Blacks have not
>pulled themselves out of the jungle, so to speak, and the overwhelming
>majority still live and act relatively primitive.  They have the highest
>crime rate, the lower intelligence, the most scant record of civilization
>and invention, the recent egalitarian campaign of "Black History" canards
>notwithstanding.
>
>Now you call it whatever you want, I don't care.  You can say there is one
>race, and different subspecies.  Only ONE significant differing
>characteristic is all that is necessary to warrant the creation of a new
>sub-classification.  Between Blacks and Whites there are several, and they
>are most obvious.  I'd just as soon say there are different races -- it is
>saying the same thing.
>
>However, if you claim there is no appreciable difference between Blacks
>and Whites, your position is completely absurd and contrary to both the
>extensive genetic differences cited above and common sensical experience
>with Blacks.  Essentially, the egalitarian has abandoned what his senses
>have made obvious to him in order to believe in the lie of "racial
>equality."  A four-year, however, can see the obvious.  
>
>Brian Smith
--------------

 Brian,

 When did Arlin (Commie) Adams ever care about the facts or truth? 

 It is that simple.


The Bearer Of Knowledge


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 2:33:35 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845482702$1539@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>> either by providing an utterly unwholesome example of courage, or 
>
>WHOO HOO!  nazoid political correctness!  What a hoot!
>
>>by being enemies within. 
>
>No, ian, as defenders of the Constitution, we in the Constitutional
>Militias are and will always be YOUR enemies...get used to it.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


Mistake #1 (I borrowed this tactic from you): you do not defend the
actual Constitution, but instead defend your opinion of what the
Constitution means. In addition to your lack of respect for the
Founders of America which you called:

"the "noble forebears" [sic] you mention were generally a
combination of religious zealots, oddballs, psychological misfits, and
criminals.  The vast majority of them were neither particularly noble
nor all that well adjusted mentally."

 Arlin (commie) Adams is obviously not an American Patriot nor a
defender of the Constitution.

The Bearer Of Knowledge

"We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to
preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European
blood."

 -- Col. Charles A. Lindbergh



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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 13:49:26 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>
>
>In article <845534883$3836@atype.com>, BRS 1478  wrote:
>>The greatest proof of the genetic differences between Blacks and Whites
>>however,
>>is in the widely-differing levels of advancement in their cultures. Blacks
>>couldn't even invent the wheel and Whites landed on the moon.
>
>Your peculiar notion that blacks couldn't even invent the wheel is noted, but 
>I'm more curious with your other comment.  As I recall, the country called the 
>United States landed people on the moon, not the race called the "white race."
>It occurs to me that this country called the United States is and always has 
>been a multiracial country, and that it was multiracial during the 1960s, and 
>blacks in the United States can certainly claim their fair share of credit for 
>that incredible achievement by the American people.

 The Space program was an entirely White endeavor. I have a family
member who worked for NASA during that period and he attested this
fact to me in a conversation about the re-writing of history.

 However, I am willing to admit that their may have been a Negro or
two doing yard work or working in the cafeteria.

>>  Obviously,
>>we're talking about RADICAL innate differences here.  Even despite being
>>in close proximity with Whites for well over a century, Blacks have not
>>pulled themselves out of the jungle, so to speak, and the overwhelming
>>majority still live and act relatively primitive.  They have the highest
>>crime rate, the lower intelligence, the most scant record of civilization
>>and invention, the recent egalitarian campaign of "Black History" canards
>>notwithstanding.
>
>Is that so?  It strikes me that I know a large number of blacks who are 
>well-educated, articulate, intelligent, gainly-employed, community-conscious, 
>who live in fine houses in nice neighborhoods.  I also know a large number of 
>poorly-educated, not particularly bright, under- or unemployed whites who live 
>in trailer parks.  Gosh, could it be that we should judge -individuals- and not
>-races-?  What a revolutionary notion.

 Just as expected. The facts are irrelevant to you. What seems to
matter to you is feeling good. A very femine trait.


The Bearer Of Knowledge


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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 3:33:22 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845528601$3377@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
>
>>ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
>>
>>>I refuse to provide them with cheap thrills, Mike.  Remember how many of
>>>the original nazis were sexually perverse?  Between the pederasts like
>>>goering and the snuff-movie freaks like hitler and himmler, well, I'd
>>>rather just continue to assist them in providing demonstrations of their
>>>venality and gross ignorance.
>>
>>And you believe in the Jewish soap tale too, right?
>
>history has shown us that racists are inherently degenerate and perverse.
>
>Arlin H. Adams
-------

Actually, history has been re-written to "shown us that racists are
inherently degenerate and perverse.".

The Bearer Of Knowledge



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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 6:18:09 GMT, johannes@ix.netcom.com (John C.
Stephens III) wrote:

>
>In <845689688$13950@atype.com> thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) writes: 
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 17 Oct 96 20:33:03 GMT, "Bill K." 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Ian McKinney wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In message <845355804$24178@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>>>> :>Perhaps you
>>>> :>should consider why it is that our organization, based entirely on
>>>> :>volunteers, is ever-growing, while yours is not.  Perhaps you should
>>>> :>consider why you have that funny flinch, and we don't.
>>>> 
>>>> National Alliance membership has been doubling for the past few years. I'd
>>>> hardy call that not growing. Once again, you don't know what you're talking
>>>> about!
>>>> 
>>>> Yours truly,
>>>> Ian McKinney
>>>
>>>Yeah, doubling.  First, there was Ian.  Next year, there was Ian and Kevin.
>>>Third year, they each developed an alternate personality, so there were 4.
>>>
>>>Now, (due to the ability to include the guys at the Good Ol' Boys BBQ as
>members),
>>>there are dozens!
>>
>> Another attack on ordinary working class citizens. Your feelings of
>>class superiority shine through your hate filled posts. I can only
>>hope that all those hit hardest by your Neo-Marxist ideas remember who
>>you are.
>>
>
>ATTENTION NAZI SWINE-TROOPERS
>
>You need to check your breath, because you're talking out your ass again.  The
>Good Ol' Boy Roundup and Barbecue had nothing to do with decent honest people of
>any social or economic class.  It was a get together of various law enforcement
>types, who proceeded to behave in a manner the KKK would scorn as illbred.  Do
>your friggin' homework before you post this crap.

 Refering to working class people as "Good Ol' Boy"(s) is a racial
slur and an attack on their social class. 

>>
>>On October 13th, 1939 the following broadcast was made by the great
>>aviator and patriot Charles Lindbergh, a part of his effort to prevent
>>the horrible slaughter of World War II. In this case I have an actual
>>recording of which I present a small excerpt:
>>
>>"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, and not of political
>>ideology. It is the European race we must preserve: political progress
>>will follow. Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury. If the
>>White race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to
>>take our part in its protection: to fight side by side with English,
>>French, and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our
>>mutual destruction. Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe
>>to dissipate hers in these wars of politics and possession."
>>
>
>If he actually said that, which I doubt, he was an asshole. 
>Transatlantic flight or not.  If John Glenn and the entire Corps of
>Astronauts started spouting off racist garbage, they'd be assholes. 
>And as for you, you don't even rate that high.  They say that nothing's
>lower than whale shit, because it sits on the bottom of the ocean.  But
>you are a parasite inhabiting the clear coating of slime on the
>underside of that piece of whale shit.  Now quit posting bogus quotes,
>or I'm going to get REALLY nasty!
>
>John
>"Fightin' the Good Fight"

 I guess you don't know much about Charles Lindbergh.

The Bearer Of Knowledge

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Negroes] shall be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live under the same government."

Thomas Jefferson


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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 23:33:40 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>Ian McKinney wrote:
>> 
>> Here you go. This is a special post for the Marxist Militia crowd who say
>> there's no difference between races. It's all 'bias', they say, which
>
>Hey, we in the Marxist Militia demand you call us by our code names.
>I get to be Groucho (loud guy with the fake mustache and flippant attitude).
>Joe is Chico (inna you face!).  
>Arlin is Harpo (quiet, with heaps of surprises up his sleave).  
>Might as well make Pitcavage Zeppo (nobody ever saw him anyway).
>
>> explains the consistant IQ gap that exists between Blacks and Whites. We have
>
>What about the gap between nazis and goldfish?  Why do goldfish score consistantly higher?
>
>> heard their moaning. Now, let's get some truth and common sense. (Watch 'em
>> scream!)
>
>(yawn). (stretch). 
>(Hmm, he's wheeling out the..., oh I should have guessed, the photocopier...)
>
> 
>
>yes.  this proves it.  you were correct all allong IanKevinBokBrian.
>thank you for this cutting, insightful and scientifically valid study.
>your work is complete here now.  it is your duty to shift your
>efforts to another newgroup, now that we all agree with you.
>
>
>
>(is he still here?)
>-- 

Ian, 

 I love this guy's posts. Agree with us or not, he is truly funny.

The Bok


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 15:18:03 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845560152$4708@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>An Adoption study designed to show that evironment causes low black IQ 
>>confirmsthat the cause is Genetic.
>>
>>By Prof. Richard Lynn, American Renaissance, March 1994.
>
>professor of what? where? and credentials (if any)?  Sooner or later, ian,
>you're going to realize that this sort of nazi nonsense only sells over on
>- what was that that kid called your newsgroup?  oh
>yeah...alt.politics.white-powder....
>
>Arlin H. Adams


The good Prof. Lynn was the writer of the article. I have the issue of
AR and it states that:

1. A.R. Jensen. How much can we boost IQ and scholastic achievement?
   Harvard Educational Review, 39, 449-483.
2. R.A. Weinburg, S. Scarr & I.D. Waldman. The Minnesota transracial
adoption study: A follow up of IQ test performance of adolescence.
   INTELLIGENCE, 1992, 117-135.


are the credentials.


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 22:03:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <845523204$2991@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>If you want to propagate watered-down Marxism and hippie-retread
>liberalism 
>>disguished as "patriotism", then be prepared to take the heat from those
>who 
>>know the difference.
>
>well, I don't see too many marxists hereabouts, but I don't mind the odd
>bit of "hippie-retread liberalism," thank you. As a social movement, it
>actually was pretty effective ... a bit misdirected in some aspects, but
>effective. In fact, it was -far- more effective than the neo-nazi and
>racist movements and ultimately led to a large decline in those areas.
>Funny what a motley crew of multi-racialists joining hands despite
>differing ideals could do to the master race's efforts, eh, Ian? And that
>is what you fear, isn't it? That people, despite their differences, will
>once again unite toward a common, peaceful goal as they did before to
>attempt massive improvements ... perhaps this time in pushing government
>back on track and limiting interference. -When- that happens, how then
>will you peddle your fear? It is small wonder you want to splinter society
>... it is only that way that you have any power at all.


 I see, all the pushing towards censorship of dissident ideas will
lead to your utopia?

 Just a reminder, Communism's princiiple mission statement was the
most happiness for the most people. Maybe in your twisted mind you
really believe that your ideas and the ideas of misguided social
engineers like Arlin (commie) Adams, are original. But, they actually
flow quite nicely from Marxism. 

 Please join hands with the freaks, non-Whites, homo's, drug addict
and criminals, the America people will then be able to see what your
true agenda really is.

Best Regards,
The Bearer of Knowledge

"A dangerous resolve.-The Christian resolve to find the world ugly and
bad has made the world ugly and bad. "

-Nietzsche



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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 5:18:04 GMT, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) wrote:

>
>Subject: Re: Militia Studies
>From: ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ)
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 22:48:18 GMT
>Message-ID: <845506098$1558@atype.com>
>
>so you're up to what? a couple of thousand real members out of all of
>North America?  Newsflash for you ian:  *WE* have individual CM units that
>size.  Keep flinching ian, keep looking over your shoulder.
>
>========================
>
>Made of up of what?  Multiracial consituencies?  Then you will hardly be a
>force worth reckoning.  
>
>A homogenous White fighting force is always far more effective than a
>racially mixed one.   Also, an force fighting for the very survival of its
>people will fight 10 times more ferociously than one merely defending a
>document, or a superficial and debased "multicultural" ideal.
>
>Let's see how many members (not considering countless more sympathetic
>supporters) the National Alliance has in say, 10 more years of this
>degenerate, multiracial filth.  The best among the militia will side with
>those fighting to preserve their kind, not to protect your beloved
>multiracial morass, which is nothing more than an anti-White, chaotic zoo.
> I guess by that time Arlin and what is left of his glorious "multiracial"
>brigade can lead the charge.
>
>Brian Smith
----------

Brian,

 You are absolutely right. I mentioned this in a previous post, but
the simple fact is that Arlin (Commie) Adams has stated that militas
are trying to remove members who have a racial aganda. This weeding
out process is of great benefit to the National Alliance since it will
unite them against the anti-Constitutional aganda of the present
commissars runing the militas.

 The end result will be a philisophical divide between Nationalist
White patriots and Internationalist multi-racial so-called patriots. 

Best Regards.
The Bear of Knowledge


Benjamin Franklin 1789, 

[In a statement to the Constitutional Convention of the Unites States
concerning Jewish immigration.]

 "There is a great danger for the United States of America. This great
danger is the Jew. Gentlemen, in every land the Jews have settled,
they have depressed the normal level and lowered the degree of
commercial honesty. They have remained apart and unassimilated. They
have created a state within a state, and when they are opposed they
will attempt to strangle the nation financially as in the case of
Portugal and Spain. For more than 1,700 years, they have lamented
their sorrowful fate - namely that they were driven out of their
motherland. But, gentlemen, if the civilized world to-day should give
them back Palestine and their property, they would immediately find
pressing reasons for not returning there. Why? because they are
vampires - they cannot live among themselves; they must live among
Christians and others who do not belong to their race.
 If they are not excluded from the United States by the Constitution,
within less than 100 years, they will stream into this  country in
such numbers that they will rule and destroy us and change our form of
government for which we Americans shed our blood and sacrificed life,
property, and personal freedom.
 They should be excluded by the Constitution."


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 23:34:55 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <845258671$18916@atype.com>, knbell 
>writes:
>
>>Was Abraham Lincoln "racist, and evil, and 
>>unamerican" because he advocated sending the Negroes back to their native
>
>>habitat?>
>
>In the technical sense, yes, Lincoln was a racist.  In fact, most whites
>were in the 19th Century.  However, unlike you bottomfeeders, most of
>America knows now that race or religion or creed has nothing to do with
>one's abilities.  Not one group is inherently superior to another.  Don't
>try and put past great American statesmen or leaders in the same hall of
>shame that includes the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, Rohm, Goering,
>Goebbels, Himmler, et al.  
>
>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>
------

Really. Don't confuse the Founding Fathers racism and care for the
preservation of the White race with "Hitler, Mussolini, Rohm, Goering,
Goebbels and Himmler's" care for the White race.

 Randy, since your busy re-writing history and changing the intent of
the Constitution and its Founders, do you think you can re-write the
tax laws too?

 Hypocrite.


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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 3:48:03 GMT, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D. Sybesma)
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>
>On Sat, 12 Oct 96 16:18:23 GMT knbell [knbell@top.monad.net] wrote:
>
>: The Bok wrote:
>: > ---------
>: >  Well Ken, it looks like we have a first class secret agent here. Not
>: > only is he involved in saving America from the New World Order, but he
>: > also is working on the side of America's good friends...the
>: > Anti-Racist.
>: >  Now, siding with brotherly love groups like the ADL, JDL, The Simon
>: > Weisenthal  Center, and of course the eternal enemy of racist...the
>: > Communist Party, Alrin works for Truth, Justice and the Soviet way.
>: >  Please stay tuned for next weeks addition of:
>: >  "Arlin H. Adams: Marxist Utopian Superhero"
>: Dear Bok,
>: I have come to the same conclusion as you.
>: I hope Arleen Adams (he, she, or it,  is the question) reads this. I 
>: shall post the following to the next one of her postings I see just to 
>: make sure:
>: I have looked you up Arleen? and discover that over the last seven 
>: months, you have made 1400 postings to this group! Who is paying you? I 
>: do not know of any one of the hundreds of independant Militia groups who 
>: either have that kind of money to spare or share your bigoted and 
>: unconstitutional views on the suppression of free speech and free 
>: thought. Maybe the JDL, Arleen??? Please respond. There are many other 
>: Militia men who are most interested.
>: Cordially,
>: Ken
>
>What dumbasses like you do is contribute to the lie that the militia is mostly
>a bunch of hard core racist trash--such as you are.

I don't believe that you have the right to determine what militia
member think. You seem to forget the America's founders held the same
idea that you now attack. In addition, since this is a so-called
"free-country" and our Founders gave us the First Amendment, militia
members can think or say what ever they please. If you want a
totalitarian thought controlling state...please contact Arlin, he is
hard at work on that very project.

>Fact is, you and your ilk are headed straight for a burning hell unless you get
>on your knees and repent to an angry God who is displeased with your constant
>evil-mouthings against his chosen people, the Jews.

Since the Jews are Gods so-called "chosen people", why don't you just
become a Jew and your problems are all over. Besides, any God which
chooses one group over another is racist and bigoted and could use
some sensitivity training. Maybe you could teach your Lord about
"tolerance, "diversity" and "Multi-Culturalism" so that his prejudice
will stop? 

 Don't criticize the self-chosen or you go to hell. Very totalitarian.
Hasn't he heard of the First Amendment? Maybe the big jew in the sky
doesn't believe in rights??

>This being said, I myself am not a Jew but recognize them and respect them
>because of what God PLAINLY said to Abraham in Genesis 12:3--
>
>"...and I will bless them that bless thee, and CURSE him that CURSETH thee."

 Well, now we wee why the Jews have had an easy time conquering
America. 

>If you want to be ignorant and argue that the Zionist Jews are not in fact the
>genuine Jews and do not fall under the protection of God, your argument isn't
>with me, it's with the Bible.
>
>Meanwhile, you're under God's curse.

 Since I am not religious, I could care less. You are truly insane.

>It says what it says, and what you believe in is nothing more than the long
>disproved cultic rantings of people like Herbert Armstrong who started the
>damned-to-hell British-Israelism lie.

 No, I am not religious so I don't know where you get your information
from? Don't trust ADL agents even if they say they are friends of
Arlin. If I did follow a religion, I would follow a European relgion
and not a semitic one. I personally prefer that the good and the noble
rule the world and not the weak and the botched. A personal call.

>In case you didn't know, the Worldwide Church of God has since repented of all
>that false doctrine.  Sorry if you can't realize the B-I error yourself.

 Great!! And?? 

>In the end, the world is not run by a Jewish banking conspiracy.
>
>That old crap of a story was invented by cursed Jew-haters who are probably
>providing a lot of fuel for the fires of hell right about now.

 I know, anyone who criticizes the Jews is going to hell etc. That's
ok, even if it was true, and that was a bad thing, you couldn't do
anything about it anyway or it's a one way trip to the afterlife BBQ.

>That lie-filled conspiracy needs to die forever (and will), pure and simple.
>
>As to the militia, you don't have any legitimate claim of membership to it
>anymore than the ADL has any legitimate claim to anti-anti-Semitism.

 Did I forget to have Arlin sign my membership card again? Oh, dear.

>They have betrayed their own brothers and sisters just as much as you have 
>cursed God's chosen people.

>Any Jew or Christian who is willing to give up land to the >Palestinians for 
>peace cannot realistically be said to be a Jew or Christian, since God Himself
>gave to the Jews much more land than they now occupy, and it is His will that
>they would have occupied that land from the time God gave it to Abraham to
>forever.  To compromise on that is literally to disobey God.  Which is what
>Israel (as a picture of all of us, Jew or Gentile) has done throughout history.

 I am beginning to smell a rat here. And you work for who? The ADL?
JDL? AIPAC? Nizkor? The Simon Weisenthal Center? 

 So let me get this straight, America is for everyone and the Nazi's
were evil for deporting Jews, but Israel is for Jews only and
deporting, killing, torturing and using Arabs for medical experiments
is NOT evil. Did I get that right? Oh, that's right. They are God's
chosen people...I forgot. 

>And for that which God commands that you take possession of forever, that same
>thing you have no right to give away, nor do you even owe an apology for 
>demanding rightful ownership of it.  Such is the land of Israel to the Jews.

 Sound like the Talmud:

"It is permitted to pratice Usury on the Gentile, because the practice
of Usury
on a Gentile at any time pleases the Lord."
-Schulchan Aruch, Orah
Chaim, 539

 "A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take
care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah

 " A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated"
-Abode Shara, 37a

"Jews are human beings: the other people of the world are not human
beings but beasts"
-Bata Mezia

"God has given the Jews power over the possesions and blood of all
nations"
-Seph. Jp., 92,1.

"All things pertaining to the Goyim [cattle] are like a desert; the
first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own"
-Baba Bartha, 54b

"It is always a meritorious deed to get hold of a Gentile's
possessions"
-Shulchan Aruch

"All Israelites will have a part in the  future world...The Goyim, at
the end of the world, will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent
down to Hell."
-Zohar

"It is always a good deed to burn and destroy the non-Jewish place of
worship or whatever belongs to it or is done for it, and to throw the
ashes into the four winds."
-Shulchan Aruch, Jore Deah, 143

"The seed of a Christian is of no more value than that of a beast."
-Kethuboth, 3b

"If a Jew has raped a non-Jewish girl and another who saw it is called
as a witness, that Jew must, without compunction, swear falsely."
-Jore Deah

>And such is likened to all our God-given rights, by extension.
>
>God doesn't like wimpering cowards who compromise on principle.

He just wants the weak and the meak to rule the Earth. 

>That's what the ADL is.  They are pro-Oslo so-called 'peace' process.
>
>Essentially, the ADL is a group of anti-Zionist traitors.
>
>You have to remember that half of Israel voted for the traitor (Peres).
>
>It's sad that you don't know that there is deep division among Jews in Israel.
---------


And it seems Jews like yourself have a deep division in your cranial
cavity if you think that I care about your Christianity. Your
territorial expasion ideas should help American's understand why your
Jews are so hated in the Middle East. My siding with butcher like the
Israeli's, we are setting outselves up for terrorism and world
distain.

 You are a sick man. 


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On Wed, 16 Oct 96 5:18:04 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> 
>> The "partially disabled" person, who has no visible means of support
>> except "odd jobs" "here and there," and who has an "intelligence"
>> background, who somehow has the spare time to "educate" and steer an
>> existing political movement in a certain direction which just happens to
>> be favorable to the ideology of an establishment which he claims to
>> oppose, and who seems to have instant access to ADL file material on his
>> opponents (his postings contain the same errors)... seems to me to be
>> worthy of note at the very least. These things, while not conclusive by
>> themselves, do fit a certain profile.
>> 
>
>In your teeth, f*ckface.
>
>Dear gawd, I can't believe I'm about to do this...
>
>Pitcavage, can you PPPPLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE either call this freaks off
>(if they are yours), or put them on that damned list and get them arrested?!
>
>Please!  I'll vote Democrat, just do something!
--------------------
 Well, I guess this Constitutional Militia member forgot about the
First Amendment. In one small post you have probably called for the
violation of atleast three of my Constitutional Rights. I guess your
beloved "diversity" and "Tolerance" is only for those which you agree
with. Kinda like the Communists...right? 

Best Regards.


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On Thu, 17 Oct 96 0:03:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845425083$28060@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
>
>>I notice that the people who oppose the New World Order's diabolical goal
>>of racial amalgamation are called "Nazis" by the Militia-types.
>
>mistake #1 brian - the people who diabolically attempt to sunder the
>Constitution by attempting to restrict peoples' liberties based upon
>fictional racial differences are called 'nazis' by Us militia people.

 You must mean the restrictions placed on "peoples' liberties based
upon fictional racial differences" that the Founding Father followed
and used while contructing the Constitution? yes, that is exactly what
YOU milita people believe.

>   I also
>>notice the so-called "Nazis" have asserted the following positions quite
>>cogently:
>
>the nazis have asserted nothing cogently.  You are simply mistaken.
>
>[racist rhetoric truncated to reduce nausea]

 It seems that in place of cogent positions there are editorial
remarks like the one above. I wonder what that means? 

Hypocrite.

Best Regards,
The Bearer Of Knowledge


"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature,
habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and
deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will
wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled up by free White
laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human
nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

 From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again
published by special Act of Congress in 1853. Quoted from page 51,
dated January 6, 1821:


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 1:18:49 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>The Bok wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 96 23:34:20 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >In article <845249631$17625@atype.com>, joe@junior.apk.net (Joseph T.
>> >Adams) writes:
>> >
>> >>I believe that Arlin Adams (no relation to me, though we share the
>> >>same last name and very similar beliefs) is one of the more
>> >>level-headed and sane posters in this newsgroup, and I dare say that
>> >>not only pro-Militia posters, but even the more honest antis, would
>> >>agree.
>> >
>> >I agree.  While I don't share much of Arlin's libertarian or pro-militia
>> >ideas, I can safely say that he is no marxist as alleged by the various
>> >National Socialists who have recently crawled out from under their
>> >kanzlarbunkers to spread some of the most insane crap seen since those
>> >lovely Nuremburg rallies of the '30s.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>> >
>> -------------
>> Arlin's Libertarian ideas are based in Marxist social philosophy.
>
>I am currently attempting to compile a Rosetta Stone of this
>obscure neo-nazi dialect of English, and find your posts most
>challenging.  There does seem to be a pattern emerging, however.
>The dialect (dubbed 'analspeak' the language of the 'Bokenese') 
>seems to revolve around direct inversions of meaning for simple 
>English terms.  Seen here for example, the
>term "Libertarian" is apparently an analspeak word for 
>"centralized government ownership of the means of production."
>Facinating.
>
>> Arlin has expressed the idea of Universal Human Equality again and
>
>Again, we see here a coded reference to one of the "high worship words"
>of the Bokense. The three words "Universal",  "Human", and "Equality"
>all have very different meanings in analspeak, so the exact meaning
>of the phrase is unclear at this time.  We belive it can be roughly
>translated to English as "Localized Simian Discontinuity", but more
>study is required.  This interim translation does explain the
>Bokenses use of the label "Human" applied to their self-stated species, though.
>
>
>> again. This is the foundation on which Marxism based its poison. He
>
>We suspect here that "Marxism" can be replaced with "Freedom", and
>"poison" with "strength."
>
>
>> believes that this country belongs to anyone who is here, so he
>> rejects the idea of nations belonging to a "certain" group. And he
>> wants "Democracy", which is the ultimate expression of the rule of
>> masses...which is a Marxist foundation.
>
>The only new term we have been able to pick out of this fragment is
>"Democracy", and the usage indicates that it is probably a pejorative.
>
>> 
>>  When you reject human differences you stand in opposution to Nature's
>> laws. Arlin blames his "Christianity" for his belief in Human
>
>A new deity, "Nature" is here identified.  Nature is apparently a 
>fictional god of the Bokense which selected them as a superior and
>distinct species of simian, despite their admitted vulnerability and
>constant teetering on the brink of extinction.
>
>"Christianity" seems to be a noise word with no precise definition
>in the analspeak lexicon.  It is often something good, with
>which the Bokense wish to be identified, but it is also sometimes
>considered a sort of lower caste or diversionary illusion.
>
>Again, this is a new species we are dealing with and your indulgence
>is requested while we continue to decipher...
>
>> Equality, but regardless for the so-called reasons for his delusions,
>> he is pushing a philosophy which leads to a raceless, classless and
>> sexless society. If all people are equal, then women are equal to men
>> and blacks are equal to Whites and nations are only lines on a map.
>
>This seems to be a curse cast to the winds, indicting some individual
>for actions which will erase the universe if left un-corrected.
>
>> Arlin opposes the "New World Order" but either refuses to see or has
>
>Another high worship word appears here.  The "New World Order" is
>an synonym for Jews, ironically one of the oldest world orders in existance.
>Apparently, this NWO is easily identified as attending Temple,
>eating bagles, and being employed in the entertainment industry.
>
>Why the Bokense considered such a small and easily identifiable group
>as a threat is unknown.  A crop blight may have introduced
>hallucinagens into the population...
>
>> known all along, that his ideas are the basis for this new raceless
>> international government. The New World Order is the end result of
>> countries losing there sense of identity. If Japan is not for the
>> Japanese, Germany is not for Germans, Nigeria is not for Nigerian
>> Blacks and Russia is not for Russians, then why not merge all nations
>> together? Open the boards and make all the countries follow similar
>
>
>Here, a basic misunderstanding of the nature of 3 dimentional reality
>is exhibited.  Geography and sociology were apparently unknown to
>this small tribe.
>
>
>> laws since a nation's culture and heritage is not to be protected.
>> 
>>  It is a shame the people like Arlin are so blinded by guilt and self
>> hatred that they cannot see their collective responsibility to their
>> own people.
>
>Again, we see a curse directed at unseen and un-affected individual.
>"Blinded by guilt" means "Proud of his honorable stand", and
>"Self hatred" apparently translates to "Pride of one's self."
>
>> 
>> Best Regards.
>
>This is an explitive.
>
>> 
>> The Bearer Of Knowledge
>
>
>Holder of the priesthood, Ian McKinney often used his self-appointed
>title of office rather than is actual name.  This was a tactical
>move to create the illusion of several individuals.
------------

 I find this post very amusing. Might I suggest a job working for the
government where you can use your expert skill at inverting reality? 

 Regardless of the intellecual honesty involved here, I love this
post. Thank you Bill.

 Just for the record, Ian and I live atleast a thousand miles from
each other. I also want to mention that if your interested my name, it
is a part of my e-mail address.

I would also like to mention that in 1 week of posting here it seems I
have surpassed the African people in civilization building by creating
a written language which they are still yet to achieve.

I love this post.

The Bearer of a New Language all my own.


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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 2:33:44 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
Medintz) wrote:

>
>Whilst completely naked, Mike Chapman said unto us:
>
>>brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) wrote:
>>>Self-centered, ungrateful, and narrow individuals must be FORCED to
>>>relinquish a portion of their freedom for the survival of their people,
>>>when that people are endangered.  The survival of the race is FAR more
>>>important than the freedom of ANY mere individual.  If an individual dies,
>>>the race can still live on.  But if the race dies, all is lost.
>
>>Hahah, you're going to win so much support among rural white
>>Americans...  NOT.
>
>Well, since he's already lost damn near all of his support among urban
>and suburban whites, all Jews, all non-whites...maybe he finally found
>out that he can't sink much lower.
----------

 Since more and more White are beginning to feel threatened by the
current anti-White climate which is destroying America, your comments
are based in fantasy. 

 The ideas of certian Neo-Marxist militia leaders like Arlin "Commie"
Adams, however, are being rejected. While you are your demented PC
types place a well moistened forfinder up to the breeze of propaganda
coming from your TV, the National Alliance bases all of its ideas on
truth. 

 In the end, truth and fact always seem to win in the end. 

Best Regards,

The Bearer Of Knowledge

 "In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the
schimes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister
confederacy are mostly men reared up amoung the unhappy population of
countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if
not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and
divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes for the next world. This
movement amoung the Jews is not new. From the days of
Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky
(Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma
Goldman (America), this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of
civilization and the reconstitution of society on the basis of
arrested development, of envious malevolence, and immpossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable
part in the tragety of the French Revolution. It has been the
mainstream of every subversive movement during the nineteenth Century;
and and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the
under-world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the
Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically
the undisputed masters of that (Russia) enormous empire."

-Sir Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Febuary 8, 1920.


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 18:21:56 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845688801$13896@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> I always save your posts and I hope to put
>>together a collection of your insults against average working class
>>people and their families. 
>
>gonna be a really empty list there bopp...still on that neo-marxist
>"working class people" kick, eh?
>
>keep looking over your shoulder.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 I'll stop when you either change you hate filled ways, or go away.
Since neither one is possible, I will continue to point out the
obvious.

Best Regards...Commie.

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature,
habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and
deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will
wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled up by free White
laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human
nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

-From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again published by
special Act of Congress in 1853. Quoted from page 51, dated January 6,
1821


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 11:48:13 GMT, "Dean Peet"  wrote:

>
>	I got the first of what appears to be several "mail bombs" from Vincent
>"BOK".  You know, guys, at first I thought that it was funny that you
>ignorant racist pigs came to this group and started posting.  But you know,
>now that I got that 'bomb'  I am really scared...NOT!  I've got 9 Gigs of
>hard drive with a removable backup.  I can 't buy games fast enough to fill
>up the space..send as many .WAVs as you want.  If I sincerely wanted to
>mail bomb you I would have been sending you stuff a long time ago.  I just
>thought that a little education would do you good.  Martin Luther King was
>one of the greatest men who ever lived.  Have no fear, Vincent,  I'll look
>into a reply.  Thanks, by the way, I need a little motivation.  Any time I
>need a reminder of why I should get up in the morning, I'll just listen to
>these radio shows that you sent.  You guys make Bill Clinton look like
>Ronald Reagan.
>	You stupid assholes.  I don't say that in anger.  I say that in pity.  To
>be as scared, stupid, and twisted as you must be to by that load of
>intellectual hot air that is called Nazism, National Socialism, Fascism,
>you must really be pathetic.  Couldn't get dates in High school, huh?  Let
>me put your mind at ease:  Blacks really don't have bigger dicks that
>whites...well, most whites;  Most Jews really don't have more money...they
>just put more value on education than white trash, so they get better jobs
>and THEN make more money.  
>	I know, you National Alliance guys are real tough...radio shows in my mail
>box.  I am glad I have two, no, wait, three mail addresses.  Send as much
>stuff as you want.  When I first came to this group I was asking for
>information.  This is just more to add.
>	Your ideology was ground into dust once before.  In herr Fatherland, you
>morons were pounded by the supposedly sub-human Slavs.  In Berlin a Black
>man made you look foolish at the Olympics.  In the Eighties you got your
>ass kicked by the Federal government.  Do you ever win fights?  You will
>never go away.   While there exists humanity on this planet, there will
>always be losers like you.  The only reason why you still walk and talk is
>that you are so inconsequential that nobody pays you any mind.
>	
--------

Poor Deen. Do you remember this?

" I think that we should just e-mail them with rap .WAVs and Louis
Farrakhan .AVIs, no, wait they would have too much in common with
Calypso Louie...let's just send them copies of MLK's 'I have a dream'
speech."

Well, I hope you enjoyed a few wave files and the copy of Netscape. If
I really wanted to mailbomb you I would have, however, I am not. 

 I have a sense of humor...do you?

Vincent Breeding


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 13:03:03 GMT, "Dean Peet"  wrote:

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>S.E.N.D. M.O.R.E. N.A.Z.I.S.
>S.E.N.D. M.O.R.E. M.A.I.L.
>S.E.N.D. M.O.R.E. P.I.Z.Z.A.
>
>Go wait with Louis Farrakhan for his "Mother Wheel".  Maybe it will be one
>stop shopping.
>Let me get this straight...So you will all be voting for Perot Nov. 5,
>right.  I know the ears don't fit, but hey, one little dictator is as good
>as another, right?
>
>
>
> Dean Peet
> 
> "If you guys were the Fruit of Islam, then I would be scared" 
> " I could beat dips like you with half of Al Franken's brain tied behind
>my back"
>
----------

Actually Dean, i will be voting for Clinton. I figure a few more years
of Clinton should help destroy what is left of America. People like
yourself need to suffer a little before you begin to fight back. That
doesn't mean that I don't worry about the American people, since I
will suffer just like them. Instead I can only hope that a repid
repeal of our rights might help unify the American people clearly
against this Jew infested system.

Best Regards

"They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
                        Benjamin Franklin


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 13:03:34 GMT, "Dean Peet"  wrote:

>
>While I am asking, how do the Nazis feel about what happened at Waco?
>Let me guess..."Hey, we did that of that first!"   Right?
>If I really want to know, I'll just call Mr. Pierce myself.
>
>
> 
> Dean Peet
> 
> "If you guys were the Fruit of Islam, then I would be scared"
> 
-----------
Since I do not speak for the National Alliance, I cannot answer that
question. However, Dr. Pierce stated his position in a previous radio
show. I have included it here for your consideration.

Free Speech Directory || National Alliance Main Page 

                              F R E E S P E E C H

Vol. I, No. 5 

                                 Terror Breeds Terror:
                            Oklahoma City in Perspective

by Dr. William L. Pierce 
Chairman, National Alliance 

WHEN THE FEDERAL building in Oklahoma City was blown up a few days
ago, I was shocked. I didn't know who had done the bombing, of course,
but I had a very strong feeling that it was no coincidence that it
came on the second anniversary of the Clinton massacre at Waco. I felt
an intuition close to certainty that the bombing had not been an
attack by foreigners aimed at America but instead was an attack by
Americans aimed specifically at Clinton and his kind. 

I listened to the expressions of pious outrage by Bill Clinton and
Janet Reno and the other government gangsters on television
that evening, and I thought, "You hypocrites! What do you expect? You
are the real terrorists. When a government engages
in terrorism against its own citizens, it should not be surprised when
some of those citizens strike back and engage in terrorism
against the government. You are the ones responsible for this bombing,
for the deaths of these children." 

Terrorism is a nasty business. Most of its victims are innocent
people. Some of the office workers who died in the Federal
Building in Oklahoma City may have been as much against the Clinton
government as were those who set off the bomb. But
terrorism is a form of warfare, and in war most of the victims are
noncombatants. Certainly, none of us can condone the
killing of children, but in fact it is the Clinton government which
has led the way in the killing of children. About as many
children died in the Waco massacre alone as in the Oklahoma City
bombing. It really infuriates me to see creatures like Bill
Clinton and Janet Reno shedding crocodile tears over slaughtered
children. These two are using the bodies of the dead
children as a shield for themselves. How many tears did they shed over
the children they burned to death in Waco? The
hatred one hears in their voices when they talk about the Oklahoma
City bombers is not because children were killed; it is
because they know that the bombing was aimed at them, at Bill Clinton
and company. 

Americans haven't had a real war fought on their own soil for 130
years. We haven't experienced any significant domestic
terrorism since Bill Clinton and his pro-Viet Cong buddies were
burning ROTC buildings and bombing draft offices back
during the Vietnam war, and that was relatively tame stuff. I think
things are about to change. 

The U.S. government has been trashing other people's countries for a
long time now and getting away with it. The U.S.
government has been sponsoring Israeli terrorism in the Middle East
for nearly 50 years, financing and condoning the
assassinations and bombings of Arabs by Jews year after year, with
remarkable forbearance on the part of the Arabs. The
bombing of the World Trade Center in New York by Muslims was a very
small reprisal for all of that. 

After the U.S. government smashed Iraq four years ago in order to make
the Middle East safe for Greater Israel, slaughtering
thousands of Iraqi children in the process, there was much government
talk about the danger of Iraqi terrorism, but nothing
ever came of it. But now something new is about to happen, I believe.
A growing number of Americans have such a hatred of
the government in Washington that some of them will commit desperate
and foolish acts like the Oklahoma City bombing. A
growing number will turn to terrorism as their only weapon against a
terrorist government. And I suspect that we'll see some
real terrorism -- planned, organized terrorism -- before too long. I
suspect that a growing number of exasperated, fed-up
Americans will begin engaging in terrorism on a scale that the world
has never seen before. 

As I said a moment ago, my first suspicion was that the Oklahoma City
bombing might have been done by persons
sympathetic to the victims of the government's Waco massacre. Things
have reached the point in America, however, that this
bombing could have been done by any of a very large number of angry,
desperate people. The FBI has a list of potential
terrorists that it checks whenever something like this happens, but in
recent years that list has grown so large that it's become
practically useless. This may come as a surprise to some citizens,
but, believe me, there are many, many Americans who have
come to consider the U.S. government their worst enemy. And among
those Americans there are some who feel a sense of
responsibility to do something about that enemy. 

Let's get specific. If you watch a lot of television, you're easily
misled into believing that the attitudes and sentiments you see
on your screen are those of all Americans. They aren't. They are the
attitudes and sentiments of those segments of the
population which believe that things have never been better in America
and that we have a wonderful government. Foremost
among these are the media people themselves -- not just the Jewish
media bosses, but all of those who have their snouts in
the media trough, including the commentators. And, of course, there
are the politicians and the bureaucrats. And the
homosexuals and the career women. And the minorities. The Clinton
constituency. They just love all of the artificial equality
and all of the special privileges which have been bestowed on them.
They can't imagine why anyone would want to go back
to the bad, old days when this was a White country, and men were men,
and women were women, and the freaks stayed in
the closet, and everyone worked for his living. 

Watching television you'd never know it, but there are some normal
people with healthy instincts left in America. And not just
heterosexual White males. There are still White women left in this
country who believe that being a mother and a homemaker
is not a fate worse than death: women who don't want more laws
requiring that they be hired as prison guards or furniture
movers or making it a "hate crime" to hold a door open for them, but
who do want a clean, healthy, White world for their
children to grow up in. 

Certainly, not all of these normal, healthy White men and women are
potential terrorists. But a very substantial portion of
them are intensely hostile to the government. That portion can only
grow during the next few years. It's not just the Waco
massacre or the bombing of Baghdad or this country's criminal policy
in the Middle East which makes so many Americans
hate their government. It's what the government has done to America. 

It's the government's deliberate flooding of our country with
non-Whites from the Third World, and the refusal to halt the
massive illegal immigration across our border with Mexico and the
Caribbean. 

It's the government's catering to the worst elements in the
population, buying their votes with welfare programs paid for by
our hard work. 

It's the government's theft of our freedom -- with ever more
oppressive taxes, with ever more restrictive rules and regulations
of one sort or another, with efforts to take away our right to protect
ourselves and our families. 

It's the more and more obviously corrupt and degenerate politicians
who are holding the highest offices in the government:
crooks and liars of the sort typified by Bill Clinton. 

It's the government's treasonous abdication of the responsibility
entrusted to it, its shortsighted quest for votes, its willingness
always to be led by the Jewish media rather than by a concern for the
good of the country. 

It's the government's deliberate turning away from the people who
built America and its cynical promotion of
"multiculturalism," with the consequent ruin of our schools, the
degradation of our popular culture, and the conversion of our
cities into crime-infested hell holes. The government and the
controlled media are responsible for the spiritual poisoning of our
young people: young Whites singing rap ditties and behaving like
Blacks. 

To yuppies in New York and Washington, none of these things may seem
very important. For people who have never had an
unfashionable thought in their heads, for people who turn to their
television for all of their opinions and attitudes, it may be
hard to understand why anyone would be upset about what the government
has done to America. But, believe me, there are
plenty of people who are very upset. 

People used to complain about the government's destructive policies,
and they used to write their Congressmen and hope that
what was happening was only a temporary aberration. But after decades
of writing their Congressmen and watching things
become worse and worse, they're just plain mad as hell. The privileged
classes I named a minute ago -- the Jews and the
politicians and the homosexuals and the minorities and the female
executives -- who believe that this is the best of all possible
worlds, have no idea how angry, how furious, normal Americans are.
And, as I said, they're only going to get madder as time
goes on. The ones who aren't mad are the ones who've simply become
alienated. They have given up all hope for restoring
any sort of sanity or decency to the country and are just looking out
for themselves. 

When people are pushed as far as they are willing to go, and when they
believe that they have nothing left to lose, then they
will resort to terrorism. There will be more and more such people in
the future. Even if they have no well thought-out plan,
even if they belong to no organization and have no real ideology, even
if they only are striking out as angry, frustrated
individuals, their numbers and their deeds will grow. Such
disorganized terrorism, motivated by anger rather than by a plan,
will never bring down the government. About all it can accomplish is
the weakening of the self-confidence of the government's
supporters and the encouragement of the government's enemies. A long
enough and intense enough period of terrorism can
discourage many people from making long-term career plans and can lead
to more of a short-term mind-set in the general
population, a "let's get through life one day at a time" outlook. But
by itself it can't really accomplish anything positive. 

It's really too bad that innocent people will die -- especially
innocent children. It's too bad that people will be maimed and
injured. It's too bad that people will be made fearful. If people
could act in a rational way, all of that could be avoided. But
they never do. When a civilization is dying, when the soul of a people
is being poisoned, all sorts of irrational behavior takes
place. The government does bizarre and destructive things. Individual
citizens do bizarre and destructive things. And
bloodshed and suffering are inevitable. It will become worse. There is
nothing the government can do to stop it -- certainly
not a government headed by the likes of Bill Clinton. So what ought
people like us to do: people who approve of neither
government terrorism, such as the Waco massacre or the bombing of
Baghdad, nor private terrorism, such as the Oklahoma
City bombing? Should we just sit on our hands and watch the government
terrorists and the private terrorists fight it out? 

That, unfortunately, is what most of us have been doing until now.
We've watched it all on television, but we haven't done
anything about it. I believe that it's time for a few of us to begin
shouldering a little responsibility for what's going on in the
world around us. After all, it's our civilization they're destroying. 

Here's what I believe that we can and should do. We should help the
more perceptive members of the public to see terrorism
in its context, rather than merely as a series of individual acts.
Back during the Vietnam war, when Bill Clinton's buddies were
bombing ROTC buildings and draft board offices, and when they used a
fertilizer bomb of the same sort used in Oklahoma
City to blow up a research center at the University of Wisconsin, the
context was clear. The terrorism was a protest against
U.S. involvement in the war. The whole public understood that. 

We need to help people understand that a good bit, if not all, of the
private terrorism we'll be seeing in the future will be a
protest against the government's destruction of America. And most of
the government terrorism will be an effort to frighten
the government's critics into silence and inactivity. More and more,
the government will lash out at dissidents, at anyone who
is not Politically Correct. And the two sides will feed on each other:
the more repressive and terroristic the government
becomes, the more individuals there'll be who'll engage in terrorism
to get back at the government. And the more individual
terrorism there is against the government, the more terroristic the
government will become in turn. And the rest of us will be
caught between them. More important than helping people understand the
cause of private terrorism is helping them to
understand the role of the government in terrorism. The problem is
that when the government commits a terrorist act, it's not
called terrorism. It's always called something else. That confuses
people. I'll bet that before the Oklahoma City bombing
ninety per cent of the general public couldn't have told you what
happened in Waco, Texas, two years ago. And most of
those who did remember the Waco massacre remembered it the way the
controlled media described it: as a justified police
raid on a group of dangerous extremists. 

"Extremists": that's one of those buzz words the controlled media and
the governmemt use when they want to prejudice the
public against someone. The public needs to be told that the people
killed at Waco were just members of a fundamentalist
Christian church that didn't like the government, but they were no
threat to anybody. The government had no business
interfering in their lives. The people who ordered the raid on the
Branch Davidian church which killed nearly a hundred
innocent people, mostly women and children, were Bill Clinton and
Janet Reno. They did it simply because the Davidians
were different. Their religion was odd. They weren't part of the
mainstream. They weren't fashionable. 

And Bill Clinton and Janet Reno are still sitting in their offices in
Washington, condemning other terrorists, telling everyone that
they won't tolerate terrorism. And as long as people like them are
allowed to hold pubic office and to get away with mass
murder, we'll have a growing problem of terrorism to worry about.
People need to understand that. 

We'll never have peace in America until the general public understands
the government's role in provoking and committing
terrorism and is ready to call the government to account for it. I
don't know who set off the bomb in Oklahoma city or exactly
what their motive was, but I have a suspicion that if Bill Clinton and
Janet Reno had been put on trial for murdering all those
children in Waco two years ago, there wouldn't have been an Oklahoma
City bombing a week ago. Violence breeds
violence. I wish there were a way we could stop it, but I think that
about all we can do now is understand it and try to help
other people understand it too. The bond of trust between the U.S.
government and its citizens has been broken, and it's far
too late to mend it. The rift between normal, healthy Americans and
the Clinton constituency will continue to grow. Let's try
to keep as many of those normal Americans as we can looking at the big
picture and not letting themselves be confused by
the controlled media. 

The Clinton constituency, the privileged classes who support
government terrorism against the rest of us, will be pushing hard
for more government repression. They'll be pushing for scrapping
what's left of the First Amendment and passing laws against
any form of Politically Incorrect expression. They believe that if
they can control what normal Americans read and hear and
think, they can control what we do. Even before the Oklahoma City
bombing, Jewish groups such as the Simon Wiesenthal
Center and the Southern Poverty Law Center and the B'nai B'rith were
lobbying for laws to keep Politically Incorrect ideas
off the "information superhighway," off the Internet. Now they'll use
each new incident of terrorism as an excuse for
censorship, for repression, for controlling what people are permitted
to say and hear and read and write. They'll say, "If there
had been more laws against `extremists,' against people who don't like
the government, against people who don't think the
way we tell them to think, this wouldn't have happened." They'll try
to stampede a timid, frightened, confused public into
allowing the government to take away even more of their rights in
return for the false promise of more security. 

Our task is to halt that stampede by helping people understand who
America's real enemies are, by helping them understand
the underlying causes of terrorism, and by encouraging them to stand
together in a united front against government terrorism.
We must begin laying the groundwork for an America in which there is
no terrorism. 



 This article was based on the American Dissident Voices program of
29th April, 1995. A cassette recording of this program
                        is available for $12 postpaid from National
Vanguard Books. 

   For further information write to National Vanguard Books, PO Box
330, Hillsboro WV 24946 USA. 







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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 10:04:38 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845627591$9892@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>Myteriously missing is the information on his ADL contacts.
>
>also mysteriously missing are any references to contacts with flying
>saucers...and for exactly the same reason - I've never had any.  Until we
>get them to understand that the militias and the nazis have NOTHING in
>common, it would not be in my own best interests to have any such
>interaction.
>
>Arlin H. Adams
>


 A simple exampination of your social philosophy and your continued
regurgitation of Marxian ideal shows your allegiance to the same ideas
expoused by groups like the ADL. In addition, Mr. Strom made a good
point about your source of funding and your agenda. I personally
believe you are either a government plant or in the pay of an
organized anti-Racism group like the ADL, JDL or Nizkor.

Best Regards.

THE STRANGER
By Rudyard Kipling

The stranger within in my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk-
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I tell.
We do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The stranger within my gate,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control,
What reasons sway his mood,
Nor when the gods of his far-off land
May repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear
And see the things I see;
Whatever I think of them and their likes,
They think the likes of me.

This was my father's belief,
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all of one sheaf
And the grapes be all of one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.



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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 18:18:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <845719462$16246@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>>professor of what? where? and credentials (if any)?  Sooner or later,
>ian,
>>>you're going to realize that this sort of nazi nonsense only sells over
>on
>>>- what was that that kid called your newsgroup?  oh
>>>yeah...alt.politics.white-powder....
>>>
>>>Arlin H. Adams
>>
>>
>>The good Prof. Lynn was the writer of the article. I have the issue of
>>AR and it states that:
>>
>>1. A.R. Jensen. How much can we boost IQ and scholastic achievement?
>>   Harvard Educational Review, 39, 449-483.
>>2. R.A. Weinburg, S. Scarr & I.D. Waldman. The Minnesota transracial
>>adoption study: A follow up of IQ test performance of adolescence.
>>   INTELLIGENCE, 1992, 117-135.
>
>
>That still doesn't say anything about Mr. Lynn's qualifications to
>interpret the data he's reviewing...now where is he a professor, where did
>he earn his doctorate, in what, and what are his other publications?
>
>Arlin H. Adams
---------
Perhaps you missed the above mentioned references.  Maybe if your
interest was truly in seaking the truth on such an important matter,
you could get the references yourself. That is if you are interested
and are qualified to interpret the data.

The article mentions that Prof. Lynn is professor of psychology at the
University of Ulser, Coleraine, Northern Ireland.

There are three additional references in addition to the above
mentioned citation. They are:

3. S.Scarr and R.A. Weinberg. IQ test performance of black children
adopted by white Americans. American Psychologist, 1976, 54, 260-267

4. R.Lynn. The role of nutrition in the secular increaseof
intelligance. Personality and Individual Differences, 1990, 11,
273-286.

5. J. Day Population Projections of United States by Age, Sex, Race
and Hispanic Origin: 1992-2050. Washington, D.C.: Bureau of the
Census.


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On Sun, 20 Oct 96 1:03:04 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>The Bok wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 96 5:18:04 GMT, "Bill K." 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The "partially disabled" person, who has no visible means of support
>> >> except "odd jobs" "here and there," and who has an "intelligence"
>> >> background, who somehow has the spare time to "educate" and steer an
>> >> existing political movement in a certain direction which just happens to
>> >> be favorable to the ideology of an establishment which he claims to
>> >> oppose, and who seems to have instant access to ADL file material on his
>> >> opponents (his postings contain the same errors)... seems to me to be
>> >> worthy of note at the very least. These things, while not conclusive by
>> >> themselves, do fit a certain profile.
>> >>
>> >
>> >In your teeth, f*ckface.
>> >
>> >Dear gawd, I can't believe I'm about to do this...
>> >
>> >Pitcavage, can you PPPPLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE either call this freaks off
>> >(if they are yours), or put them on that damned list and get them arrested?!
>> >
>> >Please!  I'll vote Democrat, just do something!
>> --------------------
>>  Well, I guess this Constitutional Militia member forgot about the
>> First Amendment. In one small post you have probably called for the
>> violation of atleast three of my Constitutional Rights. I guess your
>
>Oops.  Yeah, I do that all the time when I'm dealing with the deranged, 
>the violent, and animals.  But wait, those rights don't apply to them!

 So now, in the typical style of a hypocrite, you assume yourself with
ideas of depriving me of my right because you don't agree with me. As
always, you talk about "freedom" which acting like a tyrant.  

 You and your other Neo-Marxist friends here do not represent any
militia I know. Since I know many members and have had long
discussions with militia men who were truly leading large groups, I
can attest to the fact that you and your new idea are in complete
opposition to what I have observed. What ever you want to call your
intent to re-write the Constitution and demonize the Founding Fathers,
it is still treason. And treason never prospers.

>> beloved "diversity" and "Tolerance" is only for those which you agree
>> with. Kinda like the Communists...right?
>
>I believe in manners, and I would not post "Black women make great wives
>for White men that can handle the challenge" in alt.white.power or whatever,
>because its INAPPROPRIATE.  And I don't like being where I am not wanted, and
>where every word I say is met with "SHUT THE F*CK UP YOU DISRUPTIVE MORON".
>I can't figure out why you dolts enjoy it so much.  Like Arlin said, you are
>either masochists, or like I said, you are Fed plants.  No human being could
>enjoy being laughed at like you guys are being laughed at in this NG, so
>you must be either insane or paid.

 That's funny, I thought the spirit of America was centered around
freedom? Since I don't take your insult seriously, they have no effect
on me.

 I cannot speak for the others who post here, but I can assure you
that the only reason I post is to help those who are reading your NG
to have the opportunity to see more than one side of an issue.

 Since the beginning, I have stated my intent to remain civil and use
respect and honesty in dealing with people who may regard me as
hostile to their ideas. And that is how I began. As the climate here
began to sink into personal attacks instead of honest debate, I began
to adopt a more confrontational stance. And now, I am still willing to
begin a respectful dialog with all posters here, even those who have
threatened me. 

>You are like a drunk who has staggered into
>a law class, and demands (loudly) that everyone should start talking about
>poodle-breeding, NOW!!!  And then procedes to submit diatriabe after diatribe
>on how poodles have been traditionally crossed with frogs to produce fine oak furniture.
>You are just viewed as f*cking goofy, ya know?  So go find a group with less
>moral fibre and mental capability, 
>like maybe talk.lifetime.democrats or alt.bigger.fedgov.is.better to try to
>interact with.  You are wasting *your* time here, not just ours.
>
>Lest I buy Chapman a plane ticket so he can escort your behind to Valhalla...
>(Mike, got a valid passport? ;)
-------------------

"Are you threatening me?" 
               -Beavis 


 By the way, threatening people is illegal. I will save this post and
remind you and others of your remarks, again and again.

Best Regards,
The Bearer Of Knowledge

-----
In an interview with a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921, the
great industrialist and patriot Henry Ford stated as follows:

"It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct
relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went
out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very
prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went
into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled
the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic
materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so
long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they
believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it
as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it
could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn
the ship back."



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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 21:33:03 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <845615919$9494@atype.com>, "Bill K." 
>writes:
>
>>Ian McKinney wrote:
>>
>>> personally, and not like you who hear that I don't accept the Liberal
>party
>>> line on race, and begin the knee-jerk fantasies about my gassing Jews
>and
>>> lynching Blacks. In that regard, you are also identical to the overt
>>> Liberals.
>>
>>Me and Wiz, we are long lost twins.  Ain't that right, Wiz?  
>
>Somehow I doubt it. If we had been we would have probably grown up
>fighting with each other due to highly divergent views of how to implement
>similar ideals. Though I will admit that both of us do seem to share a
>dislike for the "racialist" oriented "free handout" communism that Ian
>supports for himself and his fellow non-competers/non-producers.
>
>Tell you what, Ian. Learn to compete and quit looking for racialist
>welfare based on the achievements of some mythical "white race." It'll do
>you a world of good. Really, communism is dead. Admit it, quit asking for
>handouts, move out of your communes, and move on to a better philosophy.
>
>
>In article <845712186$15683@atype.com>, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>
>>Once more, let me point out that there is no place for you in this
>>country, now or in the future.  So, ian, what alternatives do you have?
>
>Well, actually, Arlin, there is a place. Under the Constitution they are
>allowed to live here and hold their totalitarian communist ideals and even
>have their little communes if they want. We just don't have to give them
>the preferential handouts they demand or the power they desire.
>
>Geez, have you ever seen such a blatant bunch of totalitarian communists
>as these N.A. guys?
>
>Mr. Wizard

Mr. Wizard,

 Since our ideas are antithetical to Marxism or Communism, your labels
only show your ignorance.

 In the world of political philosophy, Nationalism represented by the
National Alliance, is as far removed from Marxism as pasifism is from
war. 

 That is worth about a buck and a quarter to those whose agenda is not
to discuss the facts. If you are interested in discussing the
difference we can take it point by point. If not, please continue to
claim that up is down.

Best Regards,
The Bok

"What does it matter if I remain right. I am much too right. And he
who  laughs best today will also laugh last. "
		-Nietzsche



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On Sun, 20 Oct 96 0:18:24 GMT, Kaa Byington 
wrote:

>
>thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:
>>
>>On Fri, 18 Oct 96 2:33:44 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
>>Medintz) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Whilst completely naked, Mike Chapman said unto us:
>>>
>>>>brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) wrote:
>>>>>Self-centered, ungrateful, and narrow individuals must be FORCED to
>>>>>relinquish a portion of their freedom for the survival of their people,
>>>>>when that people are endangered.  The survival of the race is FAR more
>>>>>important than the freedom of ANY mere individual.  If an individual dies,
>>>>>the race can still live on.  But if the race dies, all is lost.
>>>
>>>>Hahah, you're going to win so much support among rural white
>>>>Americans...  NOT.
>>>
>>>Well, since he's already lost damn near all of his support among urban
>>>and suburban whites, all Jews, all non-whites...maybe he finally found
>>>out that he can't sink much lower.
>>----------
>>
>> Since more and more White are beginning to feel threatened by the
>>current anti-White climate which is destroying America, your comments
>>are based in fantasy. 
>>
>> The ideas of certian Neo-Marxist militia leaders like Arlin "Commie"
>>Adams, however, are being rejected. While you are your demented PC
>>types place a well moistened forfinder up to the breeze of propaganda
>>coming from your TV, the National Alliance bases all of its ideas on
>>truth. 
>>
>> In the end, truth and fact always seem to win in the end. 
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>The Bearer Of Knowledge
>>
>> "In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the
>>schimes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister
>>confederacy are mostly men reared up amoung the unhappy population of
>>countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if
>>not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and
>>divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes for the next world. This
>>movement amoung the Jews is not new. From the days of
>>Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky
>>(Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma
>>Goldman (America), this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of
>>civilization and the reconstitution of society on the basis of
>>arrested development, of envious malevolence, and immpossible
>>equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
>>Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable
>>part in the tragety of the French Revolution. It has been the
>>mainstream of every subversive movement during the nineteenth Century;
>>and and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the
>>under-world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the
>>Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically
>>the undisputed masters of that (Russia) enormous empire."
>>
>>-Sir Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Febuary 8, 1920.
>
>
>THat is truly offensive, and truly stupid to try to alter Churchill, one 
>of the finest writers in the entire history of the English language. Your 
>earlier Lincoln and Ben Franklin fakes were equally terrible, but they 
>were also laughable.  This one is a cardinal sin against all I hold 
>dear.
>
>Here's some real Churchill:
>
>Hitler is a monster of wickedness, insatiable in his lust for blood and 
>plunder.  Not content with having all of Europe under his heel. . .he 
>must now carry his work of butchery and desolation among the vast 
>multitudes of Russia and Asia.  So now this bloodthirsty guttersnipe must 
>launch his mechanized armies upon new fields of slaughter, pillage and 
>devastation. . .          
>                                     June 22, 1941  Radio broadcast on   
>                                   the German invasion of Russia..\
>
>And another:
>
>A vile race of quislings, which will carry the scorn of mankind down the 
>centuries.  
>
>                                      Speech at St. James Palace, London
>                                      June 22, 1941
>
>Both quotations can be found in *Bartlett's Familiar Quotations* 16th 
>Edition, Justin Kaplin, Ed.  Pages 620 and 621.
>
>(The "race" he was referring to was the Nazis.)
>
>Kaa Byington
>
>Safire's English Militia, Squad Squad.
>

Deny all you like, I cite the references and they are all valid.
Additionally, glad to see that "Justin Kaplin, Ed." is "one of the
boys". A very credibly reference.

The Bearer Of Knowledge


Notes for Speeches, September 1859, Collected Works, Vol 3, p
399, we read the words of Abraham Lincoln:

"Negro equality! Fudge! How long, in the government of a God great
enough to make and maintain the Universe, shall there continue knaves
to vend, and fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagoguism as this?"



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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 23:03:03 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <845688801$13896@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> In addition, I find your attacks onthe intelligence of working class
>>people to be a sign of your hypocritical elitism. The only saving
>>grace you have is the fact the the majority of working class people
>>can't afford a computer and an Internet connection so they can see
>>your illusions of grandeur. I always save your posts and I hope to put
>>together a collection of your insults against average working class
>>people and their families. 
>
>more quotes from the "Communist Guide to Worker Indoctrination" there,
>Bok? It is interesting, the more you guys write, the more communist you
>look.
>
>Mr. Wizard
--------
How elitst of you. Even the mention of working class people is met
with childish cries of "Communism". If you are trying to be cute by
attempting imitate my labeling of you and others here as "Marxists",
then you are basing your accusations on fallacies, while I have based
my accusation on the philosophical consistancies between those who
post here and the philosophy of Marxism.

 I have posted an indepth examination of these similarities on
numerous occasions.

Best Regards!!

The Bok

 "First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants
annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration
remains substantially the same...Secondly, the ethnic mix will not be
upset...Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not
inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the
most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia."

-Immigration Subcommittee chairman Senator Edward Kennedy on the 1965
Immigration Act. "What the bill will not do,"


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 18:48:03 GMT, e142857@teleport.com (Walter Ulrich)
wrote:

>
>>   thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) writes:
>>  On Wed, 16 Oct 96 15:03:13 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
>>  (Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:
>>  >In article <845437747$28757@atype.com>, Mo10Cav  wrote:
>
>>  >>Pitcavage imitates Neville Chamberlain at Munich:
>
>>  >>"I do not think that there is any reason to ban anybody from the newsgroup
>>  >>merely for the opinions they hold.  These people will lose interest and go
>>  >>away;  why start a precedent of censorship and banning?"
>
>>  >>Yeah, right, "Peace in our time."
>
>>  >>Besides, Marky gets paid by the name, and he needs all the names he can
>>  >>get.
>
>>  >I apologize for having the gumption to support freedom of speech.
>
>>   It is an amazing day when so-called "Constitutional Militia" types
>>  call for banning the First Amendment. It just shows you the true
>>  agenda of these misguided publicity sensitive Militia leaders. 
>  
>>   Talking about freedom while acting like tyrants.
>  
>>  Best Regards,
>>  The Bearer Of Knowledge
>  
>>  "We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to
>>  preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European
>>  blood."
>  
>>   -- Col. Charles A. Lindbergh
>
>>>>>
>
>Yeah, Lindbergh...who more-than-likely killed his own kid and then cooked
>up the "kidnap" story to cover it. What a great "hero"...of course all "Nazi
>heroes" are nothing more than clever criminals who try to disguise their
>degeneracy underneath a veneer of "superiority".  Just look at how willing
>Hitler was to stand up and be counted, or Himmler, or Goering...the favorite
>act of a "Nazi" is to crunch down on a cyanide capsule once the game is
>up and it's time to pay the piper.
>
>As to whether a given newsgroup dedicated to a specific topic owes naziod
>scum a forum: Stick it in your ear, uber-unter-dummkoph-fuhrer! Go set up
>your little newsgroup and sit around telling each other just how "pure" and
>"great" you are.......not.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"A Nazi is proof-positive that Darwin was wrong."  Darwin Branch   

 Your hatred is clear to all. It is obvious that you have no intention
of discussion anything and personal attacks will get you nowhere.  

There are atleast 10 better name-calling lemmings here that are much
more advanced in there perverse argumentative adhominem...you'll need
to do much better to catch up with them.

Best Regards,
The Bok

Immigration Subcommittee chairman Senator Edward Kennedy:
on the 1965 Immigration Act. "What the bill will not do,"

"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants
annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration
remains substantially the same...Secondly, the ethnic mix will not be
upset...Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not
inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the
most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia."


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On Sun, 20 Oct 96 7:48:21 GMT, Robert Ireland 
wrote:


>Hey Asshole!
>
>Only the government is forbidden to interfere with speech.  Citizens are
>not required to listen to or allow another to speak.  That you're still
>here is testimony to our tolerance.  Your very words speak volumes to
>your intolerance.
>
>You don't like being abused?  Go play somewhere else.  Otherwise shut
>the fuck up and take the abuse like the man you claim to be.
>
>Robert Ireland
>aircav@zapcom.net
>
>"Liberty is not free, it must be fought for every day."


Hey Asshole? (example #1 of Robert's inablity to hold an adult
conversation)

Please explain this statement with documented facts of your own
choosing:

 "Only the government is forbidden to interfere with speech"


I would like you to please explain were in my post my "very words
speak volumes to your intolerance." Exact remarks from the previous
post please.


 Additionally, it seems that your name-calling is the only debate that
you have. If ignorance was wine...you'd be drunk.

Best Regards. Thanks for writing.

Vincent


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 23:18:43 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>>
>> Just as expected. The facts are irrelevant to you. What seems to
>>matter to you is feeling good. A very femine trait.
>
>A femine trait, huh?  I'm not sure exactly what a "femine trait" is, but if it 
>is a trait that supports anti-racism, then I guess it's a good trait to have.  
>I think you need a little more of that "femine trait."

Basing one's opinions on how it makes you feel rather than on facts
may be a trait that you cherish, but for me, I choose logic and reason
over sentimentality.

"A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah

A quote from the Talmud.


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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 5:03:03 GMT, Lissa Valerian
 wrote:

>
>
>
>On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, BRS 1478 wrote:
>> wugga@aol.com (Wugga) wrote:
>> >In article <845344998$23594@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>> >writes:
>> >>Would you be so nonchalant if the nazis controlled the media?
>> >Only if ill came of it.  Again, so what if some group controls the media?
>>
>> So what, you ask?  Well, it depends on who you are and what effect the
>> control is having on you or your people.
>>
>> For example, Jewish control of the media is a disaster for White people.
>> The Jewish media pumps race-mixing, multiracial, politically correct, and
>> White self-hating propaganda through every media channel.  It portrays all
>> efforts by Whites to oppose race's ongoing dissolution as "racist" and
>> "evil."  Jewish media control morally assassinates ANY candidate who dares
>> to speak for the White interest, thus preventing Whites from "voting" for
>> someone who protects their interests.  The Jewish media also slants news
>> to fit the Jewish agenda.
>
>
>Lets have some fun with this paragraph:
>
>For example, NAZI control of *ANYTHING* is a disaster for all but white
>people. The NAZI platform pumps race-hating, racist, politically
>incorrect, and non-white self-hating propaganda through its every medium.
>It portrays all efforts by non-Whites to oppose race's ongoing segregation
>as "racist" and "evil."  NAZI control of *anything* morally assassinates
>ANY candidate who dares to speak for the non-White interest, thus
>preventing non-Whites from "voting" for someone who protects their
>interests.  The NAZI platform also slants news to fit the NAZI agenda.
>
>
>
>Funny... if the "JEWS" are in control, then its a conspiracy...  but if
>the NAZI's are in control its what??!  Heaven?!!  NOT!
>
>
>
>If you are a non-white who wishes your race to be amalgamated and
>destroyed by racism, then NAZI control is definitely for you.  However, if
>you are a non-white concerned about the future of his children growing up
>as a hated minority in a third-world slum, or seeing his people be
>destroyed by racism for all time -- well, then NAZI media is obviously of
>great concern.  The fact of the matter is that non-whites will not survive
>as a people unless they wrest control of *EVERYTHING* away from this
>destructive alien minority which is using it to destroy them. They have
>zero chance of surviving otherwise.
>
>
>
>
>Digest your own words....
>
>Lissa
>
---------------
Lissa, 

 Actually, you can replace the words with any ethnic group and it will
be consistant will all of recorded history. All "human" history is the
struggles of one group against another. Since all groups essentially
want self-determination, every group has an agenda.  This agenda
presents itself as a want to dominate ones own area to preserve the
groups culture, history, heritage and form of government which allows
these things to maintain protection. 

 The Jews, who have lived in the other people's countries for the last
three thousand years, have developed a religion and culture which is
dangerous to the people they live among. This is not to say that any
group would not have evolved a similar method of gaining power, but
since we are dealing with hypotheticals, we must look at the Jewish
people themselves to see why they are a danger in a non-Jewish
country.

 The Jews have simply wanted to gain power in the way that al groups
want to dominate their society. Today, we still have the Black
community, for example, demanding more power, more rights to determine
their detiny as a people. Their needs will not be meet until they are
running the country. The Jews are the same as Whites are the same in
this regard.

 The Jews have devolped a religion which gives the Jews a God given
"right" to rule the world. This "chosen people" myth has enabled them
to hold themselves above those they live. It is essentially a "racism"
or "elitism" which gives the a sense of solidarity and teaches against
mixing. If it stopped there, we could simply point out how all people
have created similar system to justify their feelings of grandure, but
it doesn't. 
 Coupled with this has been the growth of a relgious and cultural
hatred of those they live among. A hatred which teaches that killing,
raping, stealling from non-Jews is not only rightful, but Godly. A
typical passage of the Jewish book of Laws, the Talmud, shows:

"A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah

"God has given the Jews power over the possesions and blood of all
nations"
-Seph. Jp., 92,1.

"The seed of a Christian is of no more value than that of a beast."
-Kethuboth, 3b

"If a Jew has raped a non-Jewish girl and another who saw it is called
as a witness, that Jew must, without compunction, swear falsely."
-Jore Deah

 A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day:
"Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave."
-Menahoth 43b-44a .

"Tob shebe goyyim harog". "Even the best of the Gentiles should all be
killed"
-Soferim 15, Rule 10.

" A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three  years
"and a day" old."
-Sanhedrin 55b .

" A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is "less than
nine years old."
-Sanhedrin 54b .

 "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl 
it is nothing."
-Kethuboth 11b .


 As you can see, this is not only institutionalized hatred, but a
lowering of the value of the non-Jews to that of animals. One can
claim also that Whites treated the Negro in a similar fashion, but
never was the methods and institution so perverse. It almost defies
the imagination to imagine that the people who believe this have not
changed their ways or forced to outcast those who follow these ideas
>from  their communities, as White have done in the cause of integration
and diversity. Instead, these people who follow such trash created the
movement of equality while keeping their elitism and racism
alive....why?

 The answer lies in the method. The Jews have used this form of
subversion to weaken their host people's nations through the promotion
of "diversity' and other similar ideals. A diverse, multi-cultural
nation won't look at the Jews as outsides, in the first place, and the
Jews weaken the solidarity of the host by making the majority people
believe that the country which they built for themselves, is now for
everyone. The desintigration of the society is at this point assured. 

 The effect of this degeneration of society is seen all around us.
Rather than listing them, just look for yourself when you take a drive
around your once White city which now is segregated once again as the
White move out and the Third Worlders moving in.

(This topic requires many more posts and much honest discussion before
it is finnished. If you are interested in talking more and
name-calling less, let me know.)

Best Regards. 

Vincent


"Can fanaticism alone account for persecution of the Jews? 
It is now my conviction that it is responsible for hardly any of it. 
In this connection I call to mind Genesis, chapter 47.  We have
all read the story of the years of plenty and the years of famine
in Egypt, and now Joseph with that opportunity made a corner in
broken hearts, and the crusts of the poor, and human liberty  - a
corner whereby he took the nations' money all away , to the last
penn; took a nation's livestock all away, to the last hoof; took
a nations' land away, to the last acre.  Then took the nation
itself, buying it for bread, man by man, woman by woman, child by
child, till all were slaves; a corner which took everything,
leaving nothing, a corner so stupendous that, by comparison with
it, the most gigantic corners in subsequent history are but baby
things; for it dealt in hundreds of millions of bushels, and its
profits were reckoned by hundreds of millions of dollars, and it
was a disaster so crushing that its effects have not wholly
disappeared from Egypt today, more than 3,000 years after the
event.
	Was Joseph establishing a character for his race which would
survive long in Egypt, and in time would his name be familiarly
used to express that character - like Shylock's? It is hardly to
be doubted.  Let us remember that this was centuries before the
Crucifixion!  In the U.S. cotton states, after the war... the Jew
came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all
the negroes' wants on credit, and at the end of the season was
the proprietor of the negroes' share of the present crop and part
of the next one.  Before long, the whites detested the Jew...
	In the England of (King) John's time everybody got into debt
to the Jew.  He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his
hands.  He was the king of Commerce.  He had to be banished from
the realm.  For like reasons, Spain had to banish him 400 years
ago, and Austria in a couple of centuries later. 
	I am convinced that the persecution of the Jew is not any
large degree due to religious prejudice.  No, the Jew is a money-
getter. He made it the end and aim of his life.  He was at it in
Rome.  He has been at it ever since.  His success has made the
whole human race his enemy.

( Mark Twain - "Concerning the Jews",	
Harper's Monthly Magazine, September 1899) 


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On Tue, 22 Oct 96 4:22:42 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <845939883$2714@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>Lissa, 
>>
>> Actually, you can replace the words with any ethnic group and it will
>>be consistant will all of recorded history. All "human" history is the
>>struggles of one group against another.
>
>true enough ... like our current battle of belivers in the Constitution
>against you -proven- believers in commie methods.

 Actually, we have Arlin on record stating that he does not believe in
the Constitution as it was written, but instead he chooses to
re-interpret the Constitution to fit his agenda. I believe in the
Constitution as it was written. That is one of the differences between
you and I.

 Additionally, I have pointed out again and again that the ideals
which you and the others promote are the basis for Marxism. That is
the simple fact. The National Alliance stands as anti-thetical to
those ideas which makes your remarks all the more pathetic.

 While we work to change America closer to the ideals of the Founding
Fathers, you and others work towards a colourless, sexless, nationless
One World government. It is only a matter of time before you and the
other Neo-Marxists run off the patriotic members of your group. When
that happens, we will be there to organize them. The irony of this
will be that your organization will be filled with Jews, non-Whites,
fags, and other assorted freaks and degerates, while we build an army
of proud White men and women whose ideals, heritage and culture
represents the actual intent of the Founding Fathers of America.



>>Since all groups essentially want self-determination, every group has 
>>an agenda. 
>
>snicker .. esp you commie supporters.

 Irony...again.

>>This agenda presents itself as a want to dominate ones own area to 
>>preserve the groups culture, history, heritage and form of government 
>>which allows these things to maintain protection. 
>
>Harken! Is this commie collectivism again?

 Kinda like "We the People". 

>> The Jews, who have lived in the other people's countries for the last
>>three thousand years, have developed a religion and culture which is
>>dangerous to the people they live among.
>
>yep ... they are effective capitalists, aren't they, commie?

 Yes they are. One of the reason that Capitalism is a failure.
But, since you don't seem to know that the ideas you express are the
basis of Marixism, again, you calling me a "commie" is ironic. 

>>but since we are dealing with hypotheticals, we must look at the 
>>Jewish people themselves to see why they are a danger in a 
>>non-Jewish country.
>
>would that problem be capitalism and your inability to compete in the
>marketplace, commie?
>
>> The Jews have devolped a religion which gives the Jews a God 
>>given "right" to rule the world.
>
>their religion is irrelevant, commie. It just gives them motivation to be
>effective capitalists. But then, nazis have always been commie-like
>socialists, haven't you?

 What a people believe is irrelevant? Nazi's were "commie-like
socialists"? This is a oxy-moron.
 The sad part of this message is that I am holding a conversation with
you. You obviously have no ability to see past your hatred. 


Best Regards!! Write again soon.

Vincent

"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemies
armies.
They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great
cause we are angaged in...to us much to be lamented that each state,
long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest
enemies we have to the happiness of America."

-George Washington, from "Maxims of Goerge Washington", A.A. Appleton
and Company.


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On Tue, 22 Oct 96 8:33:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <845939883$2714@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>Actually, you can replace the words with any ethnic group and it will
>>be consistant will all of recorded history. All "human" history is the
>>struggles of one group against another. 
>
>*almost* correct.  as usual your masters have trained you with half
>truthes - the reality is that history is a record of the struggles of
>various cultural groups.

 Only in a limited sence. Ethic groups produce their own unique
culture, which of course I stated was one of the thigs all groups
protect. My statement stands. 


>[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]
>
>> As you can see, this is not only institutionalized hatred, but a
>>lowering of the value of the non-Jews to that of animals.
>
>GONG  there you go citing 400 year old forgeries again...remember, that's
>a non-starter here - I realize you're probably under a great deal of
>pressure right now - what with the massive failure your people have
>experienced on this newsgroup - but regardless of the threats your
>superiors have made to you, any attempts to use such debunked nonsense as
>'evidence' will be met with they deserve.  

 I bet you truly believe that. The truth of the matter is that you can
get any of this from your local synagog library. Especially use full
will be the 1962 Maimonidean Code, or the "Book of Knowledge". 
 You can also find the correct translation of the word "Goyim",
meaning "Cattle or livestock" and "Shiksa" (non-Jewish feamle) meaning
"unclean animal; loathsome creature, abomination; wretch" in the
Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel.

 As for the the "failure" you claim we have experianced, I think you
have certainly over-rated yourself. My statements clearly show you to
be a fool. Since I have personally done some of this research, your
claim theat I have "superiors" providing this informations shows again
your misguided attempts to ignore facts and push an agenda.

 Essentially, you are a fool or an agent.

>>(This topic requires many more posts and much honest discussion before
>>it is finnished. If you are interested in talking more and
>>name-calling less, let me know.)
>
>fortunately everyone on the newsgroup has already witnessed the fact that
>you are incapable of honest discussion.  How badly are you being treated
>now bobby?  What do your masters do to you when you are laughed off of a
>newsgroup?  Do you enjoy being treated like that?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Bobby? Laughed off a newgroup? Masters? Your statments show again and
again some form of mental psychosis. Projection or delusional, I'm not
quote sure since the overlap so often. 
 
 In this post, I have shown that your understandings concerning the
Talmud are false. Yet again, the facts show your complete ignorance.

Best Regards,

Vincent

It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your
truth  so heavily that it does not even-quench thirst any more? 

                          -Nietzsche


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On Tue, 22 Oct 96 19:03:40 GMT, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
wrote:

>
>In message <845952501$4355@atype.com> - ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) writes:
>:>
>:>
>:>In article <845854433$24705@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
>:>
>:>>Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish
>:>Encyclopedia,
>:>>published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, 
>:>
>:>actually, none of your quotes are real brian - they're all forgeries, 
>
>FORGERIES, FORGERIES, it's all been faked, Brian. All the documents, 
>statements, and books are all fakes. Even the Talmud itself, is a forgery - 
>installed in every synagogue accross the globe by a secret group of Nazis to 
>make the Jews look bad! Even the Israel was a "Nazi plot." 
>
>BTW, I just discovered that all the media moguls are all secret Nazis, posing 
>as Jews. They're all part of an elaborate antisemitic conspiracy too!
>
>It's all clear now!
>
>Yours truly,
>Ian McKinney
>    \|/
>     |


Ian, 

 It all makes sense now. Thank you for your honesty.

Vincent


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On Sun, 20 Oct 96 13:18:09 GMT, "Dean Peet"  wrote:

>
>
>
>Ian McKinney  wrote in article
><845779692$19176@atype.com>...
>> 
>
>> I keep hearing this nonsense about how small and insignificant we are, 
>
>Sorry, Eon, but we couldn't help noticing...they have therapists for that
>kind of thing
>
>>and in 
>> a previous posting, we heard about how many militia units had "thousands"
>of 
>> members. My question is: Where the hell are these thousands? Why aren't 
>> they here now to bail your ass out? For the past two weeks we've been
>giving 
>> you fits and kicking your butts all around this newsgroup on every issue.
>We 
>> even had you so hysterical that some of you were whining to your
>moderator 
>> to ban us! 
> 
>"kicking our butts?"  Whining?  What issue are you talking about?  There is
>no issue to debate with you.  Either you are right, or we are.   By the
>way, the chance of you being right corresponds with Mark Pitcavage's
>chances of being named "Militia Friend of the Year"   Even he doesn't like
>you.  When you say bad things about CMs and Mark still doesn't like,  you
>must be Nazis.  You guys are like those little boys who get the shit beat
>out of them and then go around tell everyone they can find "...but you
>should have seen the other guy"
>
>
>> Look, I've been around a while and am aquainted with a number of people
>in 
>> the various Patriotic groups and ideologies, and I'm here to tell you
>that 
>> you're full of it. You and your crypto-liberal buddies aren't
>representative 
>> of the the militias as a whole. Ever heard of John Trochmen, head of the 
>> Militia of Montana? Yea, everybody knows he used to be a member of Aryan 
>> Nations. 
>
>Ask him that today.  He can't even spell 'Aryan'.
>
>>M.O.M. is a pretty big militia group I'd say. How about the Michigan 
>> Militia? A lot of racial people there too based on the reports I get. 
>
>As if you would you tell us you heard "Gee, Eon,  everyone thinks we're
>losers"
>Nazi Intelligence--OxyMORON supreme
> 
>> The point is, you're full of crap. 
>
>Yeah?  And you're ugly.
>
>Dean
>
>"Nazis--Nature's replacement for the dodo bird."


 Dean's level of sophistication is an amazing sight. What more can one
say? 

 Yet another member of the "I don't care what the facts are" club.

Best Regards, 

 Vincent

 "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that
these people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that
the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government.
Nature, habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction
between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of
emancipation and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as
that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled
up by free White laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force
itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

-From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again
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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 8:18:41 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846025385$13366@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
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>>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
>
>once more the nazis are forced to talk to themselves....
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 We seem to be the only intelligent conversation on this NG. I can't
wait till my next meeting with some of my militia friends. I'm
bringing all of your statements on your new Constitutional agenda ANd
your defamatory remark about the Founding Fathers with me. 

 Arlin, you have now become the best recruiting tool ever. 

Best Regards. Write more of your thoughts soon.

Vincent

THE STRANGER
By Rudyard Kipling

The stranger within in my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk-
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I tell.
We do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The stranger within my gate,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control,
What reasons sway his mood,
Nor when the gods of his far-off land
May repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear
And see the things I see;
Whatever I think of them and their likes,
They think the likes of me.

This was my father's belief,
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all of one sheaf
And the grapes be all of one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.



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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 7:18:14 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846011020$12118@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>FORGERIES, FORGERIES, it's all been faked, Brian. All the documents, 
>>statements, and books are all fakes. Even the Talmud itself, is a forgery
>- 
>
>good grief, ian, you can't even get it entirely right when you try to be
>'humorous' -  most of the documents you use *are* forgeries, the rest are
>merely discreditted and outdated racist nonsense.  As far as the Talmud
>goes, it's obvious you've never seen a real one, but the copies of
>supposed 'extracts' that your masters have given you are indeed forgeries.
> Now that you've realized that none of your evidence contains anything of
>merit, what will you do?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Again, prove it. Since your knowledge concerning the Talmud is based
on your own opinion and not facts, your statements are meaningless.
Again, I have researched some of these myself and found them to be not
only correct, but just a small part of volumes of similar literature.

 If ignorance was wine, you'd be drunk.

Best Regard...fool.

Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew) from his book:
"A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century", 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.


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On Sun, 20 Oct 96 18:48:24 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845779692$19176@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>I keep hearing this nonsense about how small and insignificant we are,
>and in
>>a previous posting, we heard about how many militia units had "thousands"
>of 
>>members. My question is: Where the hell are these thousands?
>
>protecting their local communities...what are *your* people doing this
>weekend?
>
>> Why aren't they here now to bail your ass out? 
>
>We don't need any bailing out - we've been having a great deal of fun
>these last couple of weeks making you look like fools in front of all the
>lurkers...the great part is that you're all so lost, you never realize it.

 While we post documents with references and attempt to remain civil,
you use came calling, racial slurs, threats and blanket statements
which are based on your own opinion. Your mind is a perverse as your
ideas.

>
>> For the past two weeks we've been giving 
>>you fits and kicking your butts all around this newsgroup on every issue.
>We 
>>even had you so hysterical that some of you were whining to your
>moderator 
>>to ban us! 
>
>LOL! oh, dear, ian, it appears you've become a legend in your own mind! 
>you haven't disproven one piece of evidence our folks have presented, and
>you have failed to substantiate *any* of your own claims...in front of the
>world we've gotten you to do this, and you're ready to declare victory? 
>what a hoot!  The calls to ban you were based on two factors: first you
>disrupted almost all of the regular discussions ongoing in this newsgroup
>- I realize that rudeness is a fundamental prerequisite for your job, but
>real grownups don't act like that ian.  The second factor, your adolescent
>insistance on depending solely on lies, innuendo, and poorly disguised
>bigotry, caused such universal revulsion among the members of this
>newsgroup that they wished to do the same thing we would do to any group
>of juveniles who interrupted an adult conversation...chuck you out the
>door on your ear.  In point of fact, if we weren't having so much fun
>making fools of you, we would have banned you...think about it ian...you
>probably wont like what you come up with, but you *might* learn something.

Well look here Ian, I guess all those posts with factual evidence
backed up by references was not enough. It seems we "have failed to
substantiate *any* of your own claims", which of course means that
scientific inquiry must have new rules. 


>>Look, I've been around a while and am aquainted with a number of people
>>in the various Patriotic groups and ideologies, and I'm here to tell you
>that you're full of it. You and your crypto-liberal buddies aren't
>>representative of the the militias as a whole. 
>
>We are absolutely representative of the Constitutional Militias, and a
>good share of the independents as well.  And Hey!  you just gave me
>another tee shirt slogan - "crypto-liberal"!  cool!  we can have a *lot*
>of fun with that one!  I'm a LIBERTARIAN, ian...try doing a web search on
>the term some time, you might find it enlightening....

The crypto-liberal militia...what a concept. Ian, if Alrin is really
involved in the militia movement, it is only as an outsider. The only
way he could remain involved is if he hides his beliefs. His real name
is probably Arlin Cohen.

>>Ever heard of John Trochmen, head of the 
>>Militia of Montana? Yea, everybody knows he used to be a member of Aryan 
>>Nations. M.O.M. is a pretty big militia group I'd say. 
>
>and they aren't part of the Constitutional Militias, nor will they be
>until they loose that attitude.  In the meanwhile they can keep their
>parts of Montana, and continue to explain to the world why nobody would
>back them when they got upset about the freeman case...can you say "lack
>of influence" ian?  there, I knew you could!  We support the Constitution,
>and thus we support people who support the Constitution...including equal
>rights for all persons.  Deal with it - MOM has learned that they
>certainly have to.

No, you support your own agenda and your own interpretation of the
Constitution. You have stated this over and over again. you do not
believe in the ideals which created the Constitution. That is why the
real militias won't have a single thing to do with you and your
Neo-Marxist leadership. Actually, I think I am giving you to much
credit. Personally, I don't beleive that you have ANY substantial
following. 

>>How about the Michigan
>>Militia? A lot of racial people there too based on the reports I get.
>
>None of the Wolverines *I*'ve met have given any evidence of racism.  but
>if you'd care to name anybody in particular, I could ask someone to check
>on them....
>
>> As a 
>>matter of fact, I just met a militia guy a couple of weeks ago - he was 
>>having a nice conversation with Ernst Zundel.
>
>LOL!  okay, so we've got part of the MOM leadership and at least two other
>militia members, neither of whom are part of the Constitutional
>Militias...here's another simple project for you, ian: use one of the web
>search engines and search on the terms "Constitutional" and "Militia"
>...you'll begin to see what our above ground organization looks
>like...it's amazing how you people do NO research on your targets at
>all...utterly amazing...you would not believe how foolish that makes you
>look to the world!
>
>Arlin H. Adams


The "above ground organization(s)" you mention are probably all
created and funded by the same people who fund you. There is no doubt
that you have no real clout except in your little NG playground.
Again, I can't WAIT until my next militia meeting.

Best Regards.

Vincent

On October 13th, 1939 the following broadcast was made by the great
aviator and patriot Charles Lindbergh, a part of his effort to prevent
the horrible slaughter of World War II. In this case I have an actual
recording of which I present a small excerpt:

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, and not of political
ideology. It is the European race we must preserve: political progress
will follow. Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury. If the
White race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to
take our part in its protection: to fight side by side with English,
French, and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our
mutual destruction. Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe
to dissipate hers in these wars of politics and possession."



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On Tue, 22 Oct 96 2:48:21 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <845854433$24705@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
>
>>Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish
>Encyclopedia,
>>published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, 
>
>actually, none of your quotes are real brian - they're all forgeries, most
>of which your leadership plagarized from antisemitic propaganda that's at
>least 400 years old.  Yet another example of how your masters have been
>lying to you - how does it feel, knowing that your masters set you up to
>be made a fool of before the world here on the internet?  why don't you go
>do something to make your masters stop doing that to you?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Prove it. You seem to call anything that doesn't agree with your
"new" Constitutional agenda, a forgery. Prove it. I have spent years
doing research on these subjects and I have personally verified some
of these quotes myself.

  In my eyes, you are simply unably to deal with reality.

Best Regards,
Vincent

"It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct
relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went
out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very
prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went
into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled
the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic
materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so
long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they
believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it
as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it
could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn
the ship back."

-From an interview with the great industrialist and patriot Henry Ford
by a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921,.


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On Thu, 24 Oct 96 9:03:32 GMT, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:

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>On Tue, 22 Oct 96 2:48:21 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <845854433$24705@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
>>
>>>Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish
>>Encyclopedia,
>>>published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, 
>>
>>actually, none of your quotes are real brian - they're all forgeries, most
>>of which your leadership plagarized from antisemitic propaganda that's at
>>least 400 years old.  Yet another example of how your masters have been
>>lying to you - how does it feel, knowing that your masters set you up to
>>be made a fool of before the world here on the internet?  why don't you go
>>do something to make your masters stop doing that to you?
>>
>>Arlin H. Adams
>
> Prove it. You seem to call anything that doesn't agree with your
>"new" Constitutional agenda, a forgery. Prove it. I have spent years
>doing research on these subjects and I have personally verified some
>of these quotes myself.
>
>  In my eyes, you are simply unably to deal with reality.
>
>Best Regards,
>Vincent
>
>"It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct
>relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went
>out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very
>prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
>telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
>world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
>the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went
>into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled
>the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic
>materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so
>long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they
>believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it
>as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it
>could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn
>the ship back."
>
>-From an interview with the great industrialist and patriot Henry Ford
>by a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921,.


 Arlin,

 I am still waiting for you to prove that any quote I have provided
was a forgery. 

Best Regards,

Vincent

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature,
habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and
deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will
wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled up by free White
laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human
nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

-From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again
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On Thu, 24 Oct 96 10:18:05 GMT, Kaa Byington
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>
>thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:
>>
>>On Sun, 20 Oct 96 13:18:09 GMT, "Dean Peet"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ian McKinney  wrote in article
>>><845779692$19176@atype.com>...
>>>> 
>>>
>>>> I keep hearing this nonsense about how small and insignificant we are, 
>>>
>>>Sorry, Eon, but we couldn't help noticing...they have therapists for that
>>>kind of thing
>>>
>>>>and in 
>>>> a previous posting, we heard about how many militia units had "thousands"
>>>of 
>>>> members. My question is: Where the hell are these thousands? Why aren't 
>>>> they here now to bail your ass out? For the past two weeks we've been
>>>giving 
>>>> you fits and kicking your butts all around this newsgroup on every issue.
>>>We 
>>>> even had you so hysterical that some of you were whining to your
>>>moderator 
>>>> to ban us! 
>>> 
>>>"kicking our butts?"  Whining?  What issue are you talking about?  There is
>>>no issue to debate with you.  Either you are right, or we are.   By the
>>>way, the chance of you being right corresponds with Mark Pitcavage's
>>>chances of being named "Militia Friend of the Year"   Even he doesn't like
>>>you.  When you say bad things about CMs and Mark still doesn't like,  you
>>>must be Nazis.  You guys are like those little boys who get the shit beat
>>>out of them and then go around tell everyone they can find "...but you
>>>should have seen the other guy"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Look, I've been around a while and am aquainted with a number of people
>>>in 
>>>> the various Patriotic groups and ideologies, and I'm here to tell you
>>>that 
>>>> you're full of it. You and your crypto-liberal buddies aren't
>>>representative 
>>>> of the the militias as a whole. Ever heard of John Trochmen, head of the 
>>>> Militia of Montana? Yea, everybody knows he used to be a member of Aryan 
>>>> Nations. 
>>>
>>>Ask him that today.  He can't even spell 'Aryan'.
>>>
>>>>M.O.M. is a pretty big militia group I'd say. How about the Michigan 
>>>> Militia? A lot of racial people there too based on the reports I get. 
>>>
>>>As if you would you tell us you heard "Gee, Eon,  everyone thinks we're
>>>losers"
>>>Nazi Intelligence--OxyMORON supreme
>>> 
>>>> The point is, you're full of crap. 
>>>
>>>Yeah?  And you're ugly.
>>>
>>>Dean
>>>
>>>"Nazis--Nature's replacement for the dodo bird."
>>
>
>There was, today, in the San Francisco Chronicle, a long article on the 
>neo Nazi movement in Southern California.  Two of them murdered a middle 
>class, middle aged black man as he was walking into a suburban shopping 
>mall.  (He and his wife had earlier moved out of South Central L.A. to 
>get away from the violence.)  They didn't know him.  Evidently he was 
>just the first black person to pass by.   The Chronicle said that the 
>best estimate of neo-Nazi group membership by government and other 
>sources was 2500, nation wide.  It went into some detail on the fact that 
>most skinheads were not neo-Nazis and were not considered part of the 
>movement.  It also said that they were considered the most dangerous 
>group in the country. Because of its continuing history of violence.
>
>For militia members:  never mentioned, not one word, in the article.
>
>FWIW: I've read in three or four different pretty authoritative 
>places--such as an article in Esquire magazine by a reporter who spent a 
>week with them, Trochman's Militia of Montana consists of about twelve 
>people, including Trochman and his brother.  I have relatives and friends 
>in that general area and that's their best guess, too.  
>
>
>

 It is a shame that anger is building in average men to such a degree
that they would lash out in a random act of violence. I am sure that
we will be seeing more and more of this as America and its founding
race are pushed first into a minority, and second into extinction.

 Dr. Pierce spoke once about men of Valor. He stated that today is not
a time of valor except in rare instances. Society has produced
egotistical, self serving and super-individualism to such a degree
that few men possess honour. I am going to include this article since
I feel it shines a good light on this topic.

F R E E S P E E C H

Vol. II, No. 4 

                      Men of Valor: We Must Have Such Men
                                if the West Is to Survive 

by Dr. William Pierce 

Several weeks ago the actor Marlon Brando was interviewed on a
television talk show, and he got a little careless. He blurted out
something which everyone in the media and in show business knows, but
which no one is supposed to say. Marlon Brando said that Jews own and
run Hollywood, and that they run it for their own benefit: they run it
to suit themselves and no one else. The films they make portray other
ethnic groups unfavorably, but the Jews portray themselves only in the
most favorable light. 

Well, sir, what else is new? Next someone will be announcing that the
earth goes around the sun! 

You know, that's a funny thing: the Jews and their allies reacted to
Brando's statement about the way the Christian church
reacted 400 years ago to Galileo's statement about the relationship
between the earth and the sun. They screamed for
Brando's blood. And at the same time they tried to obscure the issue
and distract people's attention away from the central
point: namely, the Jewish control of the media. 

They called Brando an "anti-Semite." They began wailing about the
so-called "Holocaust." They stepped up their demands
for laws against what they like to call "hate speech." 

The same sort of thing happened about a year ago, when a British
journalist, a reporter for the London Daily Telegraph,
wrote an article about Hollywood pointing out that all of the top
executives in the motion picture industry are Jews. The
Jewish establishment greeted this revelation in exactly the same way,
denying what was obviously true and at the same time
trying to make people feel guilty for realizing that it was true. They
yelled "anti-Semitism" and trotted out their favorite
gas-chamber stories. Weren't six million enough? they moaned. So much
hate! They acted as if the simple statement of truth
about their control of Hollywood were an act of persecution, and that
anyone who didn't immediately blot it from his mind
were an "anti-Semite." 

Now, this sort of behavior -- this pretense of shocked and wounded
innocence -- has worked wonderfully for the Jews for
the past 50 years. They've been able to intimidate most people into
keeping their mouths shut most of the time. They have
made the average American so afraid of being labeled a "racist" or an
"anti-Semite" that they have been able to enforce their
own code of Political Correctness: a code under which one may say
nothing about a Jew except an expression of praise or
sympathy. 

It's a fascinating situation. They've been able to enforce this code,
under which no one may say that they control the media,
only because they do control the media: it is their control of the
media which gives them the power to enforce their code of
Political Correctness on the public. And they certainly have most of
the public buffaloed. 

Or do they? They raised such a fuss about Marlon Brando's comments
earlier this month that an Internet poll was taken to
find out what the public reaction to the fuss was. One of the major
Internet access providers, Prodigy, took the poll, and the
results were encouraging. The Prodigy poll found that despite all of
the Jewish screaming about Brando's comments being
"anti-Semitic," half of those polled didn't think what Brando had said
was anti-Semitic at all, but was a simple statement of
fact. Jews do give themselves especially favorable treatment in
Hollywood films, they said. 

Yes, it is encouraging to learn that despite all the media
brainwashing 50% of the public hasn't been fooled. That raises my
estimate of the public's intelligence and power of perception. 

Now, if that 50% would be willing to stand up and say in public what
they will say in an anonymous poll, my estimate of the
public's character and courage also would be raised -- and so would my
hopes for the future of our people. 

You know, it is important to be intelligent and perceptive. It is
important not to be fooled by our enemies; it is important to be
able to see through their lies and deception. But it is more important
-- much more important -- to have courage and to be
honorable in one's behavior. It is important to have valor. That's
something which is sadly lacking in America today, I'm
afraid. Despite what Mr. Brando said, I'm not inclined to give him
credit for much valor; I'm inclined to believe that he had a
few martinis in him when he gave that interview, because the next day
he was groveling and apologizing. 

What's really unfortunate is that we don't have a valorous ruling
class in America to provide leadership and to set standards
for others. Without such a class the country cannot long survive. 

We do have a ruling class of sorts, of course; there is always a
ruling class of some type. But the men who rule America
today are certainly not men of valor. They are lawyers, bureaucrats,
rich businessmen, scribes and Pharisees. 

They are men without ideology, men whose only fixed principle is
always to do what is advantageous for themselves. And, in
a sense, they are the "best" of their type: that is, they have worked
harder, been smarter and meaner, and hewed more
closely to the party line -- to the established body of cant -- than
those who didn't make it to the top. The "fittest" in any
society survive and prosper. 

But valor, unfortunately, does not seem to have survival value in
20th-century American society -- at least, not the kind of
valor which we remember fondly from bygone centuries. What would an
old-fashioned Yankee or a Southern gentleman do
in today's America? How would he react upon encountering a Black male
swaggering down the sidewalk with a White
woman on his arm? Suppose he came face to face on the street with one
of the filthy creatures who has made a career in
politics, the media, or the pulpit by helping to bring about the state
of affairs in which White women dare to be seen in public
on the arms of Blacks. How long could a valorous man stay out of
prison? 

The best men today know that they are living in enemy-occupied
territory, and upon such a sidewalk encounter they only grit
their teeth and pass in silent rage, while the worst display an
ingratiating smile. 

I'm reminded of something Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about life in
the Soviet Union 70 years ago, when the Jews and
their allies were consolidating their grip on the Russian people. In
cities like Moscow, Solzhenitsyn wrote, the black vans
would go out from secret-police headquarters every night. A van would
pull up in front of an apartment building, and four or
five secret-police agents would get out and knock on a door. Then they
would make an arrest: someone who had been
overheard making a Politically Incorrect remark or had been seen
reading a Politically Incorrect book. The person would be
taken away and never be seen again. This happened hundreds of times
every night. The head of the secret police was an
especially vicious Jewish thug named Genrikh Yagoda. The arrests and
the murders in the basement of secret-police
headquarters went on night after night, month after month. And
Solzhenitsyn lamented the fact that no one ever put up any
resistance. 

Even though the Reds had confiscated most privately owned firearms,
there were still a few around. Even without firearms, it
wouldn't have been especially difficult for a few brave and determined
men -- a few men of valor -- to ambush one of these
secret-police patrols and kill the secret policemen. After this had
happened a few times, the patrols very likely would have
found other things to concern themselves with besides arresting
Politically Incorrect citizens. The cops could have spent more
time with their donuts and coffee, and Yagoda could have spent more
time preparing his next Five-Year-Plan. 

But there was no resistance. There were no men of valor. The people
were like sheep. The murders continued. And I'm
afraid that after the Jews have their "hate crime" and "hate speech"
laws in place in this country, Americans will put up no
more resistance to the FBI than the Russians did to their secret
police 70 years ago. 

One of my favorite authors is Brooks Adams, the 19th-century American
economist and historian. In his book The Law of
Civilization and Decay Adams put forth the idea that the spiritual
climate of a particular period in history favors the survival
and proliferation of men with a particular inner orientation, while
driving men with a different orientation out of existence,
much in the way the physical environment favors or disfavors a
particular somatic trait. 

Adams divided men roughly into two classes: spiritual man and economic
man. The former are what I would call men of
valor. Adams saw their epitome in the English yeomanry of the Middle
Ages: freeholding farmer-warriors. They flourish
during the period when a new civilization is being established. 

The other class, economic man, epitomized by the merchants and
bureaucrats who later replaced the yeomen, flourishes
during the period of a civilization's decay and collapse. Adams
pinpointed democracy as an institution congenial to economic
man but especially inimical to the existence of spiritual man. 

The entire Western world -- not just America -- has been spiritually
dead since the Second World War. Economic man has
swarmed over its corpse, fattening himself on its material remains and
multiplying mightily. Physical collapse may not yet be
imminent, but the decadence is profound and irreversible. Valor,
sorely needed to see us through the coming night and hold
us to a worthy purpose until the new dawn, is a memory growing fainter
by the decade. 

As the West continues its slide into chaos, strong men, White and
non-White, will rise to provide some degree of order and
security for their adherents. Some will not be much more than local
mafia chiefs; others will carve out regional or even
national constituencies based on common economic interests, common
ideologies, common ethnicities, or some combination
of these. 

In each case the leaders of these groups will be distinguished by
valor of a sort. They will be men who have proved
themselves tougher, more energetic and aggressive, and cleverer than
their rivals. They will command respect as well as
obedience from the members of their groups -- which is more than can
be said for America's present ‘leaders. ‘ 

We will see more and more a return to leadership based on personal
strength rather than institutional sanction -- to natural
leadership, the kind which existed among our people thousands of years
ago, before we began building cities and writing
laws, and which still exists among many non-White populations today.
That's also still the way it is in some more-or-less
civilized areas just outside the borders of the Western world: in
places like Lebanon, for example, and in Latin America. 

Now, rule by mafia bosses may be fine for Levantines and Latins, but
we need more than a valor based only on toughness,
cleverness, and ambition. The West has no shortage of tough, clever,
ambitious men. And we still have many who are
physically strong and courageous -- although perhaps not so many these
days as we would like. 

The valor we remember -- and the valor we must have again -- depends
at least as much on moral courage as on physical
courage. Even more, it depends on the inner sense of direction which
must guide the man of valor, if his courage and strength
are to be used to a worthy end. 

Originally the word valor meant value, worth. A man's worth was a
measure not of what he owned or controlled, however --
not of how many shares he could buy in the stock market or how many
votes he could collect at the polls -- but of what he
was. 

The ideal man of valor is guided unerringly by his inner compass. He
is imperturbable and implacable. His loyalty to his cause
is his honor, and his actions are as unaffected by considerations of
personal comfort or safety as by the opinions of lesser
men. 

How can we have such men to lead us in this age of Jewish television,
democracy, and the supremacy of the marketplace? 

A man does not acquire valor simply by making a resolution to act
valorously; it is the product of a lifetime of right living and
right thinking by a man born with the right stuff in him. 

Surely, men of our race are still being born with the right stuff.
Economic man may be forcing spiritual man out of existence
generation by generation, but the process is not complete yet. 

Our problem is to provide an environment which does not stunt or warp
the spirits of our best men and women. The
environment which prevails in America today produces from our best
stock merely lawyers tricky enough to out-shyster the
trickiest Jew, businessmen hard-driving enough to beat out the most
grasping Levantine competitor, professionals in every
field willing to jettison scruples and truckle to alien arbiters in
order to stay ahead of the pack. Children raised on a steady
diet of MTV simply do not become men or women of valor. 

When the chaos in America has grown to the point that there is no
longer steady work for lawyers and corporation
executives, the same stock will yield merely gang leaders meaner and
tougher than the meanest and toughest mafioso rival, if
the spiritual climate remains unchanged. 

What we must do, no matter what it takes, is change that climate. We
must devise a way to nurture the best seed that we
have and to provide a regimen and a tutoring, an upbringing and an
inculcation, for the yield of that seed which will once
again give us men of real valor, in the best sense of the word. 

It certainly would be easier to do this, easier to create a new
atmosphere in which valor can flourish, if we controlled the
news and entertainment media which our enemies control. If we, instead
of the Jews about whom Mr. Brando complained,
owned Hollywood, for example, we could do a lot in that direction. 

Well, we don't own Hollywood, and we don't control the television
networks, and we don't own the New York Times or the
Washington Post, like the enemies of our people do, but we do get
American Dissident Voices out every week on
shortwave radio and on satellite and on a number of AM radio stations.
You also can listen to ADV broadcasts on the
Internet, if you have a computer with a fast modem and a sound card.
Just check our World Wide Web site at
www.natvan.com. At our web site you can listen to the current week's
broadcast as well as a collection of our earlier
broadcasts. Even if you don't have a sound card, you can download free
copies of the transcripts of our programs. 

Our work to make ADV programs available to a broad section of the
public through a number of different media is possible
only with your support. We're working now to extend the reach of our
message by adding new broadcasting stations to our
network. We're also working to develop new media for our message. We
want to reach the public through video and
through CDs as well as through radio. We need your help to do this. We
can't do it without your help. 

And we need your help now, because the people who own Hollywood and
their allies in the Clinton government are pushing
very hard for new laws which would make our broadcasts illegal. They
want to be able to put people like Marlon Brando in
prison for telling the truth about the Hollywood Jews. They want to
put me and my associates in prison for bringing you the
truth through the radio and through the Internet and through the books
and magazines which we publish. They want to make
telling the truth about them a "hate crime." They want to scrap the
First Amendment, so that they can label as "hate speech"
any expression of truth they don't like and make it illegal. 

They work through Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League
of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center. These un-American
organizations attempt to frighten the public into giving up
their freedom in return for the promise of a little more security. And
they work through the government. The people in the
Clinton administration are eager to give them the new laws they want.
Bill Clinton and Janet Reno would love to round up
everyone who is not Politically Correct. The only thing which holds
them back is fear of the public reaction. They're afraid of
what that 50% of the public who agree with Mr. Brando might do. 

Our job is to keep disseminating the truth as widely as we can, so
that that 50% will grow to 60% and 70% and 80%. Our
job is let the Clintonistas know that when they move to take away our
freedom they will have a revolution on their hands.
Our job is to build a pipeline for truth and inspiration so big that
it cannot be shut off. 

And, with your help, one of these days we will take Hollywood away
>from  the Jews and we will use it to build a new climate
in America: a climate in which valor can once again flourish. 

http://www.natvan.com


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On Thu, 24 Oct 96 16:03:15 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <846149583$28207@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>Well look here Ian, I guess all those posts with factual 
>>evidence backed up by references was not enough. It seems 
>>we "have failed to substantiate *any* of your own claims", 
>>which of course means that scientific inquiry must have new 
>>rules. 
>
>You've also universally failed to prove you aren't commies. Now do so.
>Keep in mind that my proof includes that -each- of you clearly is just
>regurgitating standard commie material in addition to the more general
>issues. Now you have to -prove- you aren't commies. Release those
>membership lists and other materials I requested to prove me wrong.
>They're your rules, you play by them. Or don't you have any of that "white
>pride" that you claim?
>
>Mr. Wizard

 Since you are the one making the assertion, I ask you what proof do
you have that I am a "commie"? 

Best Regards,
 Vincent

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature,
habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and
deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will
wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled up by free White
laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human
nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

-From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again
published by special Act of Congress in 1853. Quoted from page 51,
dated January 6, 1821


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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 20:03:47 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
Medintz) wrote:

>
>Whilst completely naked, The Bok said unto us:
>
>> Since more and more White are beginning to feel threatened by the
>>current anti-White climate which is destroying America, your comments
>>are based in fantasy. 
>
>Fine. Post the membership stats for the various nazidiot/Klan groups over
>the last, say, 30 years. Let's find the trend.

 No need, since I am personally involved in recruiting I can attest to
the rise in recruitment. Are you now asserting that there is not a
rise in anti-government sentiment?

>> The ideas of certian Neo-Marxist militia leaders like Arlin "Commie"
>>Adams, however, are being rejected. While you are your demented PC
>>types place a well moistened forfinder up to the breeze of propaganda
>>coming from your TV, the National Alliance bases all of its ideas on
>>truth. 
>
>Actually, all I ever get from the TV are PBS nature shows (homework), 
>The Weather Channel, and the traffic reports on KSMO.

 A White male, I suppose? Regardless, are you asserting that you do
not see a media bias?

>> In the end, truth and fact always seem to win in the end. 
>
>Perhaps that's why you've been publicly humiliated?
 
 Certainly not. What I would call "your side" of this argument, has
been engaging is name-calling, that's all. Your post has no substance
and my response is probably in vein.

>>-Sir Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Febuary 8, 1920.
>
>Bullshit. Somehow, I vaguely doubt that this is anything but a forgery.

Sorry, but it is a fact. Prove otherwise.

Bets Regards,
Vincent

THE STRANGER
By Rudyard Kipling

The stranger within in my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk-
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I tell.
We do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The stranger within my gate,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control,
What reasons sway his mood,
Nor when the gods of his far-off land
May repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear
And see the things I see;
Whatever I think of them and their likes,
They think the likes of me.

This was my father's belief,
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all of one sheaf
And the grapes be all of one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.



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On Tue, 22 Oct 96 4:22:42 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <845939883$2714@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>Lissa, 
>>
>> Actually, you can replace the words with any ethnic group and it will
>>be consistant will all of recorded history. All "human" history is the
>>struggles of one group against another.
>
>true enough ... like our current battle of belivers in the Constitution
>against you -proven- believers in commie methods.

 Actually, we have Arlin on record stating that he does not believe in
the Constitution as it was written, but instead he chooses to
re-interpret the Constitution to fit his agenda. I believe in the
Constitution as it was written. That is one of the differences between
you and I.

 Additionally, I have pointed out again and again that the ideals
which you and the others promote are the basis for Marxism. That is
the simple fact. The National Alliance stands as anti-thetical to
those ideas which makes your remarks all the more pathetic.

 While we work to change America closer to the ideals of the Founding
Fathers, you and others work towards a colourless, sexless, nationless
One World government. It is only a matter of time before you and the
other Neo-Marxists run off the patriotic members of your group. When
that happens, we will be there to organize them. The irony of this
will be that your organization will be filled with Jews, non-Whites,
fags, and other assorted freaks and degerates, while we build an army
of proud White men and women whose ideals, heritage and culture
represents the actual intent of the Founding Fathers of America.



>>Since all groups essentially want self-determination, every group has 
>>an agenda. 
>
>snicker .. esp you commie supporters.

 Irony...again.

>>This agenda presents itself as a want to dominate ones own area to 
>>preserve the groups culture, history, heritage and form of government 
>>which allows these things to maintain protection. 
>
>Harken! Is this commie collectivism again?

 Kinda like "We the People". 

>> The Jews, who have lived in the other people's countries for the last
>>three thousand years, have developed a religion and culture which is
>>dangerous to the people they live among.
>
>yep ... they are effective capitalists, aren't they, commie?

 Yes they are. One of the reason that Capitalism is a failure.
But, since you don't seem to know that the ideas you express are the
basis of Marixism, again, you calling me a "commie" is ironic. 

>>but since we are dealing with hypotheticals, we must look at the 
>>Jewish people themselves to see why they are a danger in a 
>>non-Jewish country.
>
>would that problem be capitalism and your inability to compete in the
>marketplace, commie?
>
>> The Jews have devolped a religion which gives the Jews a God 
>>given "right" to rule the world.
>
>their religion is irrelevant, commie. It just gives them motivation to be
>effective capitalists. But then, nazis have always been commie-like
>socialists, haven't you?

 What a people believe is irrelevant? Nazi's were "commie-like
socialists"? This is a oxy-moron.
 The sad part of this message is that I am holding a conversation with
you. You obviously have no ability to see past your hatred. 


Best Regards!! Write again soon.

Vincent

"They (the Jews) work more effectively against us, than the enemies
armies.
They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great
cause we are angaged in...to us much to be lamented that each state,
long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest
enemies we have to the happiness of America."

-George Washington, from "Maxims of Goerge Washington", A.A. Appleton
and Company.


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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 5:03:03 GMT, Lissa Valerian
 wrote:

>
>
>
>On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, BRS 1478 wrote:
>> wugga@aol.com (Wugga) wrote:
>> >In article <845344998$23594@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>> >writes:
>> >>Would you be so nonchalant if the nazis controlled the media?
>> >Only if ill came of it.  Again, so what if some group controls the media?
>>
>> So what, you ask?  Well, it depends on who you are and what effect the
>> control is having on you or your people.
>>
>> For example, Jewish control of the media is a disaster for White people.
>> The Jewish media pumps race-mixing, multiracial, politically correct, and
>> White self-hating propaganda through every media channel.  It portrays all
>> efforts by Whites to oppose race's ongoing dissolution as "racist" and
>> "evil."  Jewish media control morally assassinates ANY candidate who dares
>> to speak for the White interest, thus preventing Whites from "voting" for
>> someone who protects their interests.  The Jewish media also slants news
>> to fit the Jewish agenda.
>
>
>Lets have some fun with this paragraph:
>
>For example, NAZI control of *ANYTHING* is a disaster for all but white
>people. The NAZI platform pumps race-hating, racist, politically
>incorrect, and non-white self-hating propaganda through its every medium.
>It portrays all efforts by non-Whites to oppose race's ongoing segregation
>as "racist" and "evil."  NAZI control of *anything* morally assassinates
>ANY candidate who dares to speak for the non-White interest, thus
>preventing non-Whites from "voting" for someone who protects their
>interests.  The NAZI platform also slants news to fit the NAZI agenda.
>
>
>
>Funny... if the "JEWS" are in control, then its a conspiracy...  but if
>the NAZI's are in control its what??!  Heaven?!!  NOT!
>
>
>
>If you are a non-white who wishes your race to be amalgamated and
>destroyed by racism, then NAZI control is definitely for you.  However, if
>you are a non-white concerned about the future of his children growing up
>as a hated minority in a third-world slum, or seeing his people be
>destroyed by racism for all time -- well, then NAZI media is obviously of
>great concern.  The fact of the matter is that non-whites will not survive
>as a people unless they wrest control of *EVERYTHING* away from this
>destructive alien minority which is using it to destroy them. They have
>zero chance of surviving otherwise.
>
>
>
>
>Digest your own words....
>
>Lissa
>
---------------
Lissa, 

 Actually, you can replace the words with any ethnic group and it will
be consistant will all of recorded history. All "human" history is the
struggles of one group against another. Since all groups essentially
want self-determination, every group has an agenda.  This agenda
presents itself as a want to dominate ones own area to preserve the
groups culture, history, heritage and form of government which allows
these things to maintain protection. 

 The Jews, who have lived in the other people's countries for the last
three thousand years, have developed a religion and culture which is
dangerous to the people they live among. This is not to say that any
group would not have evolved a similar method of gaining power, but
since we are dealing with hypotheticals, we must look at the Jewish
people themselves to see why they are a danger in a non-Jewish
country.

 The Jews have simply wanted to gain power in the way that al groups
want to dominate their society. Today, we still have the Black
community, for example, demanding more power, more rights to determine
their detiny as a people. Their needs will not be meet until they are
running the country. The Jews are the same as Whites are the same in
this regard.

 The Jews have devolped a religion which gives the Jews a God given
"right" to rule the world. This "chosen people" myth has enabled them
to hold themselves above those they live. It is essentially a "racism"
or "elitism" which gives the a sense of solidarity and teaches against
mixing. If it stopped there, we could simply point out how all people
have created similar system to justify their feelings of grandure, but
it doesn't. 
 Coupled with this has been the growth of a relgious and cultural
hatred of those they live among. A hatred which teaches that killing,
raping, stealling from non-Jews is not only rightful, but Godly. A
typical passage of the Jewish book of Laws, the Talmud, shows:

"A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah

"God has given the Jews power over the possesions and blood of all
nations"
-Seph. Jp., 92,1.

"The seed of a Christian is of no more value than that of a beast."
-Kethuboth, 3b

"If a Jew has raped a non-Jewish girl and another who saw it is called
as a witness, that Jew must, without compunction, swear falsely."
-Jore Deah

 A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day:
"Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave."
-Menahoth 43b-44a .

"Tob shebe goyyim harog". "Even the best of the Gentiles should all be
killed"
-Soferim 15, Rule 10.

" A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three  years
"and a day" old."
-Sanhedrin 55b .

" A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is "less than
nine years old."
-Sanhedrin 54b .

 "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl 
it is nothing."
-Kethuboth 11b .


 As you can see, this is not only institutionalized hatred, but a
lowering of the value of the non-Jews to that of animals. One can
claim also that Whites treated the Negro in a similar fashion, but
never was the methods and institution so perverse. It almost defies
the imagination to imagine that the people who believe this have not
changed their ways or forced to outcast those who follow these ideas
>from  their communities, as White have done in the cause of integration
and diversity. Instead, these people who follow such trash created the
movement of equality while keeping their elitism and racism
alive....why?

 The answer lies in the method. The Jews have used this form of
subversion to weaken their host people's nations through the promotion
of "diversity' and other similar ideals. A diverse, multi-cultural
nation won't look at the Jews as outsides, in the first place, and the
Jews weaken the solidarity of the host by making the majority people
believe that the country which they built for themselves, is now for
everyone. The desintigration of the society is at this point assured. 

 The effect of this degeneration of society is seen all around us.
Rather than listing them, just look for yourself when you take a drive
around your once White city which now is segregated once again as the
White move out and the Third Worlders moving in.

(This topic requires many more posts and much honest discussion before
it is finnished. If you are interested in talking more and
name-calling less, let me know.)

Best Regards. 

Vincent


"Can fanaticism alone account for persecution of the Jews? 
It is now my conviction that it is responsible for hardly any of it. 
In this connection I call to mind Genesis, chapter 47.  We have
all read the story of the years of plenty and the years of famine
in Egypt, and now Joseph with that opportunity made a corner in
broken hearts, and the crusts of the poor, and human liberty  - a
corner whereby he took the nations' money all away , to the last
penn; took a nation's livestock all away, to the last hoof; took
a nations' land away, to the last acre.  Then took the nation
itself, buying it for bread, man by man, woman by woman, child by
child, till all were slaves; a corner which took everything,
leaving nothing, a corner so stupendous that, by comparison with
it, the most gigantic corners in subsequent history are but baby
things; for it dealt in hundreds of millions of bushels, and its
profits were reckoned by hundreds of millions of dollars, and it
was a disaster so crushing that its effects have not wholly
disappeared from Egypt today, more than 3,000 years after the
event.
	Was Joseph establishing a character for his race which would
survive long in Egypt, and in time would his name be familiarly
used to express that character - like Shylock's? It is hardly to
be doubted.  Let us remember that this was centuries before the
Crucifixion!  In the U.S. cotton states, after the war... the Jew
came down in force, set up shop on the plantation, supplied all
the negroes' wants on credit, and at the end of the season was
the proprietor of the negroes' share of the present crop and part
of the next one.  Before long, the whites detested the Jew...
	In the England of (King) John's time everybody got into debt
to the Jew.  He gathered all lucrative enterprises into his
hands.  He was the king of Commerce.  He had to be banished from
the realm.  For like reasons, Spain had to banish him 400 years
ago, and Austria in a couple of centuries later. 
	I am convinced that the persecution of the Jew is not any
large degree due to religious prejudice.  No, the Jew is a money-
getter. He made it the end and aim of his life.  He was at it in
Rome.  He has been at it ever since.  His success has made the
whole human race his enemy.

( Mark Twain - "Concerning the Jews",	
Harper's Monthly Magazine, September 1899) 


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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 20:03:47 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
Medintz) wrote:

>
>Whilst completely naked, The Bok said unto us:
>
>> Since more and more White are beginning to feel threatened by the
>>current anti-White climate which is destroying America, your comments
>>are based in fantasy. 
>
>Fine. Post the membership stats for the various nazidiot/Klan groups over
>the last, say, 30 years. Let's find the trend.

 No need, since I am personally involved in recruiting I can attest to
the rise in recruitment. Are you now asserting that there is not a
rise in anti-government sentiment?

>> The ideas of certian Neo-Marxist militia leaders like Arlin "Commie"
>>Adams, however, are being rejected. While you are your demented PC
>>types place a well moistened forfinder up to the breeze of propaganda
>>coming from your TV, the National Alliance bases all of its ideas on
>>truth. 
>
>Actually, all I ever get from the TV are PBS nature shows (homework), 
>The Weather Channel, and the traffic reports on KSMO.

 A White male, I suppose? Regardless, are you asserting that you do
not see a media bias?

>> In the end, truth and fact always seem to win in the end. 
>
>Perhaps that's why you've been publicly humiliated?
 
 Certainly not. What I would call "your side" of this argument, has
been engaging is name-calling, that's all. Your post has no substance
and my response is probably in vein.

>>-Sir Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Febuary 8, 1920.
>
>Bullshit. Somehow, I vaguely doubt that this is anything but a forgery.

Sorry, but it is a fact. Prove otherwise.

Bets Regards,
Vincent

THE STRANGER
By Rudyard Kipling

The stranger within in my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk-
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I tell.
We do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The stranger within my gate,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control,
What reasons sway his mood,
Nor when the gods of his far-off land
May repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear
And see the things I see;
Whatever I think of them and their likes,
They think the likes of me.

This was my father's belief,
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all of one sheaf
And the grapes be all of one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.



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On Thu, 24 Oct 96 16:03:15 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <846149583$28207@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>Well look here Ian, I guess all those posts with factual 
>>evidence backed up by references was not enough. It seems 
>>we "have failed to substantiate *any* of your own claims", 
>>which of course means that scientific inquiry must have new 
>>rules. 
>
>You've also universally failed to prove you aren't commies. Now do so.
>Keep in mind that my proof includes that -each- of you clearly is just
>regurgitating standard commie material in addition to the more general
>issues. Now you have to -prove- you aren't commies. Release those
>membership lists and other materials I requested to prove me wrong.
>They're your rules, you play by them. Or don't you have any of that "white
>pride" that you claim?
>
>Mr. Wizard

 Since you are the one making the assertion, I ask you what proof do
you have that I am a "commie"? 

Best Regards,
 Vincent

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature,
habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and
deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will
wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled up by free White
laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human
nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

-From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again
published by special Act of Congress in 1853. Quoted from page 51,
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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>> Actually, we have Arlin on record stating that he does not 
>>believe in the Constitution as it was written, but instead he 
>>chooses to re-interpret the Constitution to fit his agenda. I 
>>believe in the Constitution as it was written. That is one of 
>>the differences between you and I.
>
>In terms of my posts, it really doesn't matter what you think you have on
>record regarding Arlin. He's militia, I'm not. Funny how neither you folks
>nor Pitcavage seem to grasp that point ... I hope you're not related. It's
>probably just that being the way he is, Pitcavage attracts really odd
>anti-militia types.

 I agree. I was using Arlin as an example of unConstitutional ideas
which directly relate to Marxism.

 You have not called Arlin on these correlations but you have chosen
to use erroneous labels on my part. I have challenged you to show the
relation between myself and Communism, that is all. I also challenge
you to examine Arlin's ideals for a similar correlation.

Best Regards,

Vincent

In The American Hebrew of September 10, 1920 we read:

"The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia ... shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical
forces, become a reality all over the world."


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>> Yes they are. One of the reason that Capitalism is a failure.
>
>WHHOOOOEEEEEE! That one's hot out of the old commie handbook, isn't it?
>The failure of capitalism. One of the Soviet commie's favorite lines of
>rhetorical attack. You just can't help yourself, can you? You've clearly
>heard the commie  indoctrination lectures but still don't admit to
>yourself the agenda of those doing the indoctrinating. Yet if you folks
>used any more commie rhetoric in your materials, you'd have to post in
>Russian!

 It is not Capital that is the problem, it is Capitalism. I fear that
you see this political world as two dimensional. Ignorance.

 The National Alliance economic policies are located at:
http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/na2.html#economic

>>But, since you don't seem to know that the ideas you express are 
>>the basis of Marixism, again, you calling me a "commie" is ironic. 
>
>I admit to being a liberal with a social conscience. But that is not
>marxism. Of course neither is your beloved Soviet communism.

Today's liberalism is certainly Neo-Marxism. From Universal Human
Equality to globalism (i.e. Marx's Doctrine of Surplus Value) I could
draw exact parallels which show liberalisms Marxist past. I will ask
you directly first, are you a Marxist? Trotskite? 

Best Regards,

Vincent

Reverend George E. Simons, who as the Superintendent of
the Methodist Episcopal Church in Petrograd from 1907 to 1918 was an
eyewitness to the Bolshevik Revolution. He testified before the United
States Senate and his statement can be found in Volume III of United
States Senate Document No. 62, 66th Congress, First Session:

Out of 388 members of the new Russian government, only 16 happened to
be Russians. One was an American Black. All the rest, 371, were Jews.
Of these 371 Jewish Bolshevik leaders, no less than 265 of them were
>from  the Lower East Side of New York City.



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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 18:03:51 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>
>In article <846052383$16337@atype.com>, Brian Smith  wrote:
>>Stop putting words in our mouths, Lissa.  You can barely handle
>>putting words in your own.   White Nationalism seeks a separate living
>>space sufficient for the survival of White people.  Israel seized land
>>for the Jewish people in the Middle East and then "ethnically cleansed
>>them" of Palestinians and you don't seem to be against THAT I see.  I
>>guess you want favor rule for the self-Chosen and another one for the
>>goyim!!
>
>If you want separate living space, why don't you go find some and leave 
>Americans alone?  I understand Greenland is underpopulated (and white).

 For some reason Brian, I can see people like Mark buying coats and
snowshoes for Negroes to spread diversity to Greenland too.

 Vincent

 In the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise
stated, "Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism."



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On Thu, 24 Oct 96 2:05:25 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846103702$23262@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>Once again, Lissa, YOU said we wanted to "cleanse the whole country"!
>>you are INDEED putting words into people's mouths.  As our program
>>says, exactly as -I- said, Whites will require an exclusive living
>>space in order to survive as a people.  If we can obtain an exclusive
>>land by negotiation with other peoples for mutual interest, then that
>>is fine.  In fact, several Black nationalists have already broached
>>the issue to White nationalists, as both sides mutually agree that
>>separation is the only solution to this multiracial insanity.
>
>LOL!  well, brianazi, not only are you *not* going to get an 'exclusive'
>area anywhere in the United States, I'd say that judging by the historical
>record, Lissa has you pretty well pegged - nazis are never satisfied - we
>saw that with Germany in World War II...you would always want more than
>you were given, so in point of fact it is inevitable that you would seek
>to take over the entire country.  Oh, don't excite yourself, we aren't
>even going to let you get started - America is for *all* Americans, so I
>guess you'll have to go somewhere else...where do you think that somewhere
>else might be?
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 A question Arlin: What make someone an American?

Best reagrds,

Vincent


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 "The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains,
of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create
a new order in the world.  What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia ... shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical
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On Tue, 22 Oct 96 8:33:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <845939883$2714@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>Actually, you can replace the words with any ethnic group and it will
>>be consistant will all of recorded history. All "human" history is the
>>struggles of one group against another. 
>
>*almost* correct.  as usual your masters have trained you with half
>truthes - the reality is that history is a record of the struggles of
>various cultural groups.

 Only in a limited sence. Ethic groups produce their own unique
culture, which of course I stated was one of the thigs all groups
protect. My statement stands. 


>[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]
>
>> As you can see, this is not only institutionalized hatred, but a
>>lowering of the value of the non-Jews to that of animals.
>
>GONG  there you go citing 400 year old forgeries again...remember, that's
>a non-starter here - I realize you're probably under a great deal of
>pressure right now - what with the massive failure your people have
>experienced on this newsgroup - but regardless of the threats your
>superiors have made to you, any attempts to use such debunked nonsense as
>'evidence' will be met with they deserve.  

 I bet you truly believe that. The truth of the matter is that you can
get any of this from your local synagog library. Especially use full
will be the 1962 Maimonidean Code, or the "Book of Knowledge". 
 You can also find the correct translation of the word "Goyim",
meaning "Cattle or livestock" and "Shiksa" (non-Jewish feamle) meaning
"unclean animal; loathsome creature, abomination; wretch" in the
Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel.

 As for the the "failure" you claim we have experianced, I think you
have certainly over-rated yourself. My statements clearly show you to
be a fool. Since I have personally done some of this research, your
claim theat I have "superiors" providing this informations shows again
your misguided attempts to ignore facts and push an agenda.

 Essentially, you are a fool or an agent.

>>(This topic requires many more posts and much honest discussion before
>>it is finnished. If you are interested in talking more and
>>name-calling less, let me know.)
>
>fortunately everyone on the newsgroup has already witnessed the fact that
>you are incapable of honest discussion.  How badly are you being treated
>now bobby?  What do your masters do to you when you are laughed off of a
>newsgroup?  Do you enjoy being treated like that?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Bobby? Laughed off a newgroup? Masters? Your statments show again and
again some form of mental psychosis. Projection or delusional, I'm not
quote sure since the overlap so often. 
 
 In this post, I have shown that your understandings concerning the
Talmud are false. Yet again, the facts show your complete ignorance.

Best Regards,

Vincent

It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your
truth  so heavily that it does not even-quench thirst any more? 

                          -Nietzsche


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:


>> It is only a matter of time before you and the other 
>>Neo-Marxists run off the patriotic members of your group. 
>
>again your abject unfamiliarity with American culture is showing. So let
>me repeat, no matter what your anti-militia idol Pitcavage has posted, I
>am not in the militia nor am I a militia supporter. We just both happen to
>share a love for the same country ... which evidently you don't.

Please excuse my reference to the militia. I was under the false
impression that you were a member. But, from your own words I have
been able to deduce that you share a similar political philosophy with
Arlin. 

>>When that happens, we will be there to organize them.
>
>I guess that's between you and them, eh, commie? But didn't Che or Fidel
>say about the same thing? Geez, don't they ever update those commie
>revolutionary manuals?

Again, adhominem.

>> The irony of this will be that your organization will be filled with 
>>Jews, non-Whites, fags, and other assorted freaks and degerates, 
>
>snicker. I'm a known liberal in this newsgroup. My "organization" already
>accepts those folks!

What organization is that?

Best Regards,

Vincent

Reverend George E. Simons, who as the Superintendent of
the Methodist Episcopal Church in Petrograd from 1907 to 1918 was an
eyewitness to the Bolshevik Revolution. He testified before the United
States Senate and his statement can be found in Volume III of United
States Senate Document No. 62, 66th Congress, First Session:

Out of 388 members of the new Russian government, only 16 happened to
be Russians. One was an American Black. All the rest, 371, were Jews.
Of these 371 Jewish Bolshevik leaders, no less than 265 of them were
>from  the Lower East Side of New York City.



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On Thu, 24 Oct 96 9:03:32 GMT, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:

>
>On Tue, 22 Oct 96 2:48:21 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <845854433$24705@atype.com>, brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478) writes:
>>
>>>Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish
>>Encyclopedia,
>>>published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, 
>>
>>actually, none of your quotes are real brian - they're all forgeries, most
>>of which your leadership plagarized from antisemitic propaganda that's at
>>least 400 years old.  Yet another example of how your masters have been
>>lying to you - how does it feel, knowing that your masters set you up to
>>be made a fool of before the world here on the internet?  why don't you go
>>do something to make your masters stop doing that to you?
>>
>>Arlin H. Adams
>
> Prove it. You seem to call anything that doesn't agree with your
>"new" Constitutional agenda, a forgery. Prove it. I have spent years
>doing research on these subjects and I have personally verified some
>of these quotes myself.
>
>  In my eyes, you are simply unably to deal with reality.
>
>Best Regards,
>Vincent
>
>"It was the Jews themselves who convinced me of the direct
>relationship between the international Jew and war. In fact, they went
>out of their way to convince me. On the peace ship were two very
>prominent Jews. We had not been at sea 200 miles before they began
>telling me of the power of the Jewish race, of how they controlled the
>world through their control of gold, and that the Jew and no one but
>the Jew could end the war. I was reluctant to believe it but they went
>into detail to convince me of the means by which the Jews controlled
>the war, how they had the money, how they had cornered all the basic
>materials needed to fight the war and all that, and they talked so
>long and so well that they convinced me. They said, and they
>believed, that the Jews started the war, that they would continue it
>as long as they wished, and that until the Jew stopped the war it
>could not be stopped. I was so disgusted I would have liked to turn
>the ship back."
>
>-From an interview with the great industrialist and patriot Henry Ford
>by a New York Times reporter on Christmas, 1921,.


 Arlin,

 I am still waiting for you to prove that any quote I have provided
was a forgery. 

Best Regards,

Vincent

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these
people [the Blacks] are to be free; nor is it less certain that the
two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature,
habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and
deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will
wear off insensibly, and their place be ...filled up by free White
laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human
nature must shudder at the prospect held up."

-From Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, first published by his
grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph in 1829 and again
published by special Act of Congress in 1853. Quoted from page 51,
dated January 6, 1821


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On Sun, 20 Oct 96 18:48:24 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845779692$19176@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>I keep hearing this nonsense about how small and insignificant we are,
>and in
>>a previous posting, we heard about how many militia units had "thousands"
>of 
>>members. My question is: Where the hell are these thousands?
>
>protecting their local communities...what are *your* people doing this
>weekend?
>
>> Why aren't they here now to bail your ass out? 
>
>We don't need any bailing out - we've been having a great deal of fun
>these last couple of weeks making you look like fools in front of all the
>lurkers...the great part is that you're all so lost, you never realize it.

 While we post documents with references and attempt to remain civil,
you use came calling, racial slurs, threats and blanket statements
which are based on your own opinion. Your mind is a perverse as your
ideas.

>
>> For the past two weeks we've been giving 
>>you fits and kicking your butts all around this newsgroup on every issue.
>We 
>>even had you so hysterical that some of you were whining to your
>moderator 
>>to ban us! 
>
>LOL! oh, dear, ian, it appears you've become a legend in your own mind! 
>you haven't disproven one piece of evidence our folks have presented, and
>you have failed to substantiate *any* of your own claims...in front of the
>world we've gotten you to do this, and you're ready to declare victory? 
>what a hoot!  The calls to ban you were based on two factors: first you
>disrupted almost all of the regular discussions ongoing in this newsgroup
>- I realize that rudeness is a fundamental prerequisite for your job, but
>real grownups don't act like that ian.  The second factor, your adolescent
>insistance on depending solely on lies, innuendo, and poorly disguised
>bigotry, caused such universal revulsion among the members of this
>newsgroup that they wished to do the same thing we would do to any group
>of juveniles who interrupted an adult conversation...chuck you out the
>door on your ear.  In point of fact, if we weren't having so much fun
>making fools of you, we would have banned you...think about it ian...you
>probably wont like what you come up with, but you *might* learn something.

Well look here Ian, I guess all those posts with factual evidence
backed up by references was not enough. It seems we "have failed to
substantiate *any* of your own claims", which of course means that
scientific inquiry must have new rules. 


>>Look, I've been around a while and am aquainted with a number of people
>>in the various Patriotic groups and ideologies, and I'm here to tell you
>that you're full of it. You and your crypto-liberal buddies aren't
>>representative of the the militias as a whole. 
>
>We are absolutely representative of the Constitutional Militias, and a
>good share of the independents as well.  And Hey!  you just gave me
>another tee shirt slogan - "crypto-liberal"!  cool!  we can have a *lot*
>of fun with that one!  I'm a LIBERTARIAN, ian...try doing a web search on
>the term some time, you might find it enlightening....

The crypto-liberal militia...what a concept. Ian, if Alrin is really
involved in the militia movement, it is only as an outsider. The only
way he could remain involved is if he hides his beliefs. His real name
is probably Arlin Cohen.

>>Ever heard of John Trochmen, head of the 
>>Militia of Montana? Yea, everybody knows he used to be a member of Aryan 
>>Nations. M.O.M. is a pretty big militia group I'd say. 
>
>and they aren't part of the Constitutional Militias, nor will they be
>until they loose that attitude.  In the meanwhile they can keep their
>parts of Montana, and continue to explain to the world why nobody would
>back them when they got upset about the freeman case...can you say "lack
>of influence" ian?  there, I knew you could!  We support the Constitution,
>and thus we support people who support the Constitution...including equal
>rights for all persons.  Deal with it - MOM has learned that they
>certainly have to.

No, you support your own agenda and your own interpretation of the
Constitution. You have stated this over and over again. you do not
believe in the ideals which created the Constitution. That is why the
real militias won't have a single thing to do with you and your
Neo-Marxist leadership. Actually, I think I am giving you to much
credit. Personally, I don't beleive that you have ANY substantial
following. 

>>How about the Michigan
>>Militia? A lot of racial people there too based on the reports I get.
>
>None of the Wolverines *I*'ve met have given any evidence of racism.  but
>if you'd care to name anybody in particular, I could ask someone to check
>on them....
>
>> As a 
>>matter of fact, I just met a militia guy a couple of weeks ago - he was 
>>having a nice conversation with Ernst Zundel.
>
>LOL!  okay, so we've got part of the MOM leadership and at least two other
>militia members, neither of whom are part of the Constitutional
>Militias...here's another simple project for you, ian: use one of the web
>search engines and search on the terms "Constitutional" and "Militia"
>...you'll begin to see what our above ground organization looks
>like...it's amazing how you people do NO research on your targets at
>all...utterly amazing...you would not believe how foolish that makes you
>look to the world!
>
>Arlin H. Adams


The "above ground organization(s)" you mention are probably all
created and funded by the same people who fund you. There is no doubt
that you have no real clout except in your little NG playground.
Again, I can't WAIT until my next militia meeting.

Best Regards.

Vincent

On October 13th, 1939 the following broadcast was made by the great
aviator and patriot Charles Lindbergh, a part of his effort to prevent
the horrible slaughter of World War II. In this case I have an actual
recording of which I present a small excerpt:

"Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, and not of political
ideology. It is the European race we must preserve: political progress
will follow. Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury. If the
White race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to
take our part in its protection: to fight side by side with English,
French, and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our
mutual destruction. Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe
to dissipate hers in these wars of politics and possession."



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On Thu, 24 Oct 96 10:18:05 GMT, Kaa Byington
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>
>thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok) wrote:
>>
>>On Sun, 20 Oct 96 13:18:09 GMT, "Dean Peet"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Ian McKinney  wrote in article
>>><845779692$19176@atype.com>...
>>>> 
>>>
>>>> I keep hearing this nonsense about how small and insignificant we are, 
>>>
>>>Sorry, Eon, but we couldn't help noticing...they have therapists for that
>>>kind of thing
>>>
>>>>and in 
>>>> a previous posting, we heard about how many militia units had "thousands"
>>>of 
>>>> members. My question is: Where the hell are these thousands? Why aren't 
>>>> they here now to bail your ass out? For the past two weeks we've been
>>>giving 
>>>> you fits and kicking your butts all around this newsgroup on every issue.
>>>We 
>>>> even had you so hysterical that some of you were whining to your
>>>moderator 
>>>> to ban us! 
>>> 
>>>"kicking our butts?"  Whining?  What issue are you talking about?  There is
>>>no issue to debate with you.  Either you are right, or we are.   By the
>>>way, the chance of you being right corresponds with Mark Pitcavage's
>>>chances of being named "Militia Friend of the Year"   Even he doesn't like
>>>you.  When you say bad things about CMs and Mark still doesn't like,  you
>>>must be Nazis.  You guys are like those little boys who get the shit beat
>>>out of them and then go around tell everyone they can find "...but you
>>>should have seen the other guy"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Look, I've been around a while and am aquainted with a number of people
>>>in 
>>>> the various Patriotic groups and ideologies, and I'm here to tell you
>>>that 
>>>> you're full of it. You and your crypto-liberal buddies aren't
>>>representative 
>>>> of the the militias as a whole. Ever heard of John Trochmen, head of the 
>>>> Militia of Montana? Yea, everybody knows he used to be a member of Aryan 
>>>> Nations. 
>>>
>>>Ask him that today.  He can't even spell 'Aryan'.
>>>
>>>>M.O.M. is a pretty big militia group I'd say. How about the Michigan 
>>>> Militia? A lot of racial people there too based on the reports I get. 
>>>
>>>As if you would you tell us you heard "Gee, Eon,  everyone thinks we're
>>>losers"
>>>Nazi Intelligence--OxyMORON supreme
>>> 
>>>> The point is, you're full of crap. 
>>>
>>>Yeah?  And you're ugly.
>>>
>>>Dean
>>>
>>>"Nazis--Nature's replacement for the dodo bird."
>>
>
>There was, today, in the San Francisco Chronicle, a long article on the 
>neo Nazi movement in Southern California.  Two of them murdered a middle 
>class, middle aged black man as he was walking into a suburban shopping 
>mall.  (He and his wife had earlier moved out of South Central L.A. to 
>get away from the violence.)  They didn't know him.  Evidently he was 
>just the first black person to pass by.   The Chronicle said that the 
>best estimate of neo-Nazi group membership by government and other 
>sources was 2500, nation wide.  It went into some detail on the fact that 
>most skinheads were not neo-Nazis and were not considered part of the 
>movement.  It also said that they were considered the most dangerous 
>group in the country. Because of its continuing history of violence.
>
>For militia members:  never mentioned, not one word, in the article.
>
>FWIW: I've read in three or four different pretty authoritative 
>places--such as an article in Esquire magazine by a reporter who spent a 
>week with them, Trochman's Militia of Montana consists of about twelve 
>people, including Trochman and his brother.  I have relatives and friends 
>in that general area and that's their best guess, too.  
>
>
>

 It is a shame that anger is building in average men to such a degree
that they would lash out in a random act of violence. I am sure that
we will be seeing more and more of this as America and its founding
race are pushed first into a minority, and second into extinction.

 Dr. Pierce spoke once about men of Valor. He stated that today is not
a time of valor except in rare instances. Society has produced
egotistical, self serving and super-individualism to such a degree
that few men possess honour. I am going to include this article since
I feel it shines a good light on this topic.

F R E E S P E E C H

Vol. II, No. 4 

                      Men of Valor: We Must Have Such Men
                                if the West Is to Survive 

by Dr. William Pierce 

Several weeks ago the actor Marlon Brando was interviewed on a
television talk show, and he got a little careless. He blurted out
something which everyone in the media and in show business knows, but
which no one is supposed to say. Marlon Brando said that Jews own and
run Hollywood, and that they run it for their own benefit: they run it
to suit themselves and no one else. The films they make portray other
ethnic groups unfavorably, but the Jews portray themselves only in the
most favorable light. 

Well, sir, what else is new? Next someone will be announcing that the
earth goes around the sun! 

You know, that's a funny thing: the Jews and their allies reacted to
Brando's statement about the way the Christian church
reacted 400 years ago to Galileo's statement about the relationship
between the earth and the sun. They screamed for
Brando's blood. And at the same time they tried to obscure the issue
and distract people's attention away from the central
point: namely, the Jewish control of the media. 

They called Brando an "anti-Semite." They began wailing about the
so-called "Holocaust." They stepped up their demands
for laws against what they like to call "hate speech." 

The same sort of thing happened about a year ago, when a British
journalist, a reporter for the London Daily Telegraph,
wrote an article about Hollywood pointing out that all of the top
executives in the motion picture industry are Jews. The
Jewish establishment greeted this revelation in exactly the same way,
denying what was obviously true and at the same time
trying to make people feel guilty for realizing that it was true. They
yelled "anti-Semitism" and trotted out their favorite
gas-chamber stories. Weren't six million enough? they moaned. So much
hate! They acted as if the simple statement of truth
about their control of Hollywood were an act of persecution, and that
anyone who didn't immediately blot it from his mind
were an "anti-Semite." 

Now, this sort of behavior -- this pretense of shocked and wounded
innocence -- has worked wonderfully for the Jews for
the past 50 years. They've been able to intimidate most people into
keeping their mouths shut most of the time. They have
made the average American so afraid of being labeled a "racist" or an
"anti-Semite" that they have been able to enforce their
own code of Political Correctness: a code under which one may say
nothing about a Jew except an expression of praise or
sympathy. 

It's a fascinating situation. They've been able to enforce this code,
under which no one may say that they control the media,
only because they do control the media: it is their control of the
media which gives them the power to enforce their code of
Political Correctness on the public. And they certainly have most of
the public buffaloed. 

Or do they? They raised such a fuss about Marlon Brando's comments
earlier this month that an Internet poll was taken to
find out what the public reaction to the fuss was. One of the major
Internet access providers, Prodigy, took the poll, and the
results were encouraging. The Prodigy poll found that despite all of
the Jewish screaming about Brando's comments being
"anti-Semitic," half of those polled didn't think what Brando had said
was anti-Semitic at all, but was a simple statement of
fact. Jews do give themselves especially favorable treatment in
Hollywood films, they said. 

Yes, it is encouraging to learn that despite all the media
brainwashing 50% of the public hasn't been fooled. That raises my
estimate of the public's intelligence and power of perception. 

Now, if that 50% would be willing to stand up and say in public what
they will say in an anonymous poll, my estimate of the
public's character and courage also would be raised -- and so would my
hopes for the future of our people. 

You know, it is important to be intelligent and perceptive. It is
important not to be fooled by our enemies; it is important to be
able to see through their lies and deception. But it is more important
-- much more important -- to have courage and to be
honorable in one's behavior. It is important to have valor. That's
something which is sadly lacking in America today, I'm
afraid. Despite what Mr. Brando said, I'm not inclined to give him
credit for much valor; I'm inclined to believe that he had a
few martinis in him when he gave that interview, because the next day
he was groveling and apologizing. 

What's really unfortunate is that we don't have a valorous ruling
class in America to provide leadership and to set standards
for others. Without such a class the country cannot long survive. 

We do have a ruling class of sorts, of course; there is always a
ruling class of some type. But the men who rule America
today are certainly not men of valor. They are lawyers, bureaucrats,
rich businessmen, scribes and Pharisees. 

They are men without ideology, men whose only fixed principle is
always to do what is advantageous for themselves. And, in
a sense, they are the "best" of their type: that is, they have worked
harder, been smarter and meaner, and hewed more
closely to the party line -- to the established body of cant -- than
those who didn't make it to the top. The "fittest" in any
society survive and prosper. 

But valor, unfortunately, does not seem to have survival value in
20th-century American society -- at least, not the kind of
valor which we remember fondly from bygone centuries. What would an
old-fashioned Yankee or a Southern gentleman do
in today's America? How would he react upon encountering a Black male
swaggering down the sidewalk with a White
woman on his arm? Suppose he came face to face on the street with one
of the filthy creatures who has made a career in
politics, the media, or the pulpit by helping to bring about the state
of affairs in which White women dare to be seen in public
on the arms of Blacks. How long could a valorous man stay out of
prison? 

The best men today know that they are living in enemy-occupied
territory, and upon such a sidewalk encounter they only grit
their teeth and pass in silent rage, while the worst display an
ingratiating smile. 

I'm reminded of something Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about life in
the Soviet Union 70 years ago, when the Jews and
their allies were consolidating their grip on the Russian people. In
cities like Moscow, Solzhenitsyn wrote, the black vans
would go out from secret-police headquarters every night. A van would
pull up in front of an apartment building, and four or
five secret-police agents would get out and knock on a door. Then they
would make an arrest: someone who had been
overheard making a Politically Incorrect remark or had been seen
reading a Politically Incorrect book. The person would be
taken away and never be seen again. This happened hundreds of times
every night. The head of the secret police was an
especially vicious Jewish thug named Genrikh Yagoda. The arrests and
the murders in the basement of secret-police
headquarters went on night after night, month after month. And
Solzhenitsyn lamented the fact that no one ever put up any
resistance. 

Even though the Reds had confiscated most privately owned firearms,
there were still a few around. Even without firearms, it
wouldn't have been especially difficult for a few brave and determined
men -- a few men of valor -- to ambush one of these
secret-police patrols and kill the secret policemen. After this had
happened a few times, the patrols very likely would have
found other things to concern themselves with besides arresting
Politically Incorrect citizens. The cops could have spent more
time with their donuts and coffee, and Yagoda could have spent more
time preparing his next Five-Year-Plan. 

But there was no resistance. There were no men of valor. The people
were like sheep. The murders continued. And I'm
afraid that after the Jews have their "hate crime" and "hate speech"
laws in place in this country, Americans will put up no
more resistance to the FBI than the Russians did to their secret
police 70 years ago. 

One of my favorite authors is Brooks Adams, the 19th-century American
economist and historian. In his book The Law of
Civilization and Decay Adams put forth the idea that the spiritual
climate of a particular period in history favors the survival
and proliferation of men with a particular inner orientation, while
driving men with a different orientation out of existence,
much in the way the physical environment favors or disfavors a
particular somatic trait. 

Adams divided men roughly into two classes: spiritual man and economic
man. The former are what I would call men of
valor. Adams saw their epitome in the English yeomanry of the Middle
Ages: freeholding farmer-warriors. They flourish
during the period when a new civilization is being established. 

The other class, economic man, epitomized by the merchants and
bureaucrats who later replaced the yeomen, flourishes
during the period of a civilization's decay and collapse. Adams
pinpointed democracy as an institution congenial to economic
man but especially inimical to the existence of spiritual man. 

The entire Western world -- not just America -- has been spiritually
dead since the Second World War. Economic man has
swarmed over its corpse, fattening himself on its material remains and
multiplying mightily. Physical collapse may not yet be
imminent, but the decadence is profound and irreversible. Valor,
sorely needed to see us through the coming night and hold
us to a worthy purpose until the new dawn, is a memory growing fainter
by the decade. 

As the West continues its slide into chaos, strong men, White and
non-White, will rise to provide some degree of order and
security for their adherents. Some will not be much more than local
mafia chiefs; others will carve out regional or even
national constituencies based on common economic interests, common
ideologies, common ethnicities, or some combination
of these. 

In each case the leaders of these groups will be distinguished by
valor of a sort. They will be men who have proved
themselves tougher, more energetic and aggressive, and cleverer than
their rivals. They will command respect as well as
obedience from the members of their groups -- which is more than can
be said for America's present ‘leaders. ‘ 

We will see more and more a return to leadership based on personal
strength rather than institutional sanction -- to natural
leadership, the kind which existed among our people thousands of years
ago, before we began building cities and writing
laws, and which still exists among many non-White populations today.
That's also still the way it is in some more-or-less
civilized areas just outside the borders of the Western world: in
places like Lebanon, for example, and in Latin America. 

Now, rule by mafia bosses may be fine for Levantines and Latins, but
we need more than a valor based only on toughness,
cleverness, and ambition. The West has no shortage of tough, clever,
ambitious men. And we still have many who are
physically strong and courageous -- although perhaps not so many these
days as we would like. 

The valor we remember -- and the valor we must have again -- depends
at least as much on moral courage as on physical
courage. Even more, it depends on the inner sense of direction which
must guide the man of valor, if his courage and strength
are to be used to a worthy end. 

Originally the word valor meant value, worth. A man's worth was a
measure not of what he owned or controlled, however --
not of how many shares he could buy in the stock market or how many
votes he could collect at the polls -- but of what he
was. 

The ideal man of valor is guided unerringly by his inner compass. He
is imperturbable and implacable. His loyalty to his cause
is his honor, and his actions are as unaffected by considerations of
personal comfort or safety as by the opinions of lesser
men. 

How can we have such men to lead us in this age of Jewish television,
democracy, and the supremacy of the marketplace? 

A man does not acquire valor simply by making a resolution to act
valorously; it is the product of a lifetime of right living and
right thinking by a man born with the right stuff in him. 

Surely, men of our race are still being born with the right stuff.
Economic man may be forcing spiritual man out of existence
generation by generation, but the process is not complete yet. 

Our problem is to provide an environment which does not stunt or warp
the spirits of our best men and women. The
environment which prevails in America today produces from our best
stock merely lawyers tricky enough to out-shyster the
trickiest Jew, businessmen hard-driving enough to beat out the most
grasping Levantine competitor, professionals in every
field willing to jettison scruples and truckle to alien arbiters in
order to stay ahead of the pack. Children raised on a steady
diet of MTV simply do not become men or women of valor. 

When the chaos in America has grown to the point that there is no
longer steady work for lawyers and corporation
executives, the same stock will yield merely gang leaders meaner and
tougher than the meanest and toughest mafioso rival, if
the spiritual climate remains unchanged. 

What we must do, no matter what it takes, is change that climate. We
must devise a way to nurture the best seed that we
have and to provide a regimen and a tutoring, an upbringing and an
inculcation, for the yield of that seed which will once
again give us men of real valor, in the best sense of the word. 

It certainly would be easier to do this, easier to create a new
atmosphere in which valor can flourish, if we controlled the
news and entertainment media which our enemies control. If we, instead
of the Jews about whom Mr. Brando complained,
owned Hollywood, for example, we could do a lot in that direction. 

Well, we don't own Hollywood, and we don't control the television
networks, and we don't own the New York Times or the
Washington Post, like the enemies of our people do, but we do get
American Dissident Voices out every week on
shortwave radio and on satellite and on a number of AM radio stations.
You also can listen to ADV broadcasts on the
Internet, if you have a computer with a fast modem and a sound card.
Just check our World Wide Web site at
www.natvan.com. At our web site you can listen to the current week's
broadcast as well as a collection of our earlier
broadcasts. Even if you don't have a sound card, you can download free
copies of the transcripts of our programs. 

Our work to make ADV programs available to a broad section of the
public through a number of different media is possible
only with your support. We're working now to extend the reach of our
message by adding new broadcasting stations to our
network. We're also working to develop new media for our message. We
want to reach the public through video and
through CDs as well as through radio. We need your help to do this. We
can't do it without your help. 

And we need your help now, because the people who own Hollywood and
their allies in the Clinton government are pushing
very hard for new laws which would make our broadcasts illegal. They
want to be able to put people like Marlon Brando in
prison for telling the truth about the Hollywood Jews. They want to
put me and my associates in prison for bringing you the
truth through the radio and through the Internet and through the books
and magazines which we publish. They want to make
telling the truth about them a "hate crime." They want to scrap the
First Amendment, so that they can label as "hate speech"
any expression of truth they don't like and make it illegal. 

They work through Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League
of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center. These un-American
organizations attempt to frighten the public into giving up
their freedom in return for the promise of a little more security. And
they work through the government. The people in the
Clinton administration are eager to give them the new laws they want.
Bill Clinton and Janet Reno would love to round up
everyone who is not Politically Correct. The only thing which holds
them back is fear of the public reaction. They're afraid of
what that 50% of the public who agree with Mr. Brando might do. 

Our job is to keep disseminating the truth as widely as we can, so
that that 50% will grow to 60% and 70% and 80%. Our
job is let the Clintonistas know that when they move to take away our
freedom they will have a revolution on their hands.
Our job is to build a pipeline for truth and inspiration so big that
it cannot be shut off. 

And, with your help, one of these days we will take Hollywood away
>from  the Jews and we will use it to build a new climate
in America: a climate in which valor can once again flourish. 

http://www.natvan.com


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>> Additionally, I have pointed out again and again that the 
>>ideals which you and the others promote are the basis for 
>>Marxism. That is the simple fact. 
>
>And I've pointed out that Soviet communism, with which you folks share a
>-lot- as I will discuss further, is not marxism either.

 Correct and incorrect. All political philosophies share atleast a few
similarities. An indepth examination of ideals is exactly what is in
order. 

>>The National Alliance stands as anti-thetical to those ideas 
>>which makes your remarks all the more pathetic.
>
>Okay, so we won't discuss the Cuban, European, and Canadian commie
>triangle either.

 What are you saying here? 
 
>> While we work to change America closer to the ideals of the 
>>Founding Fathers, 
>
>that -may- be what you have been duped into thinking you're doing, but the
>reality is otherwise. Your "racialist" movement has long been a cute toy
>of commie foreign interests. I think it's time you woke up to that
>reality.

 Perhaps proof would be in order. You are making a charge here and I
would like to know the grounds of this charge.

 You have not answered the above statement. I am finding it
exceedingly hard to keep you on point. 

Best Regards,

Vincent

>From  the book The Nineteenth Century and After, published in London in
November 1923, page 695, author Henry Pearson tells us:

The Bolsheviki have employed every form of cruelty it is possible to
devise, and gloat over the sufferings of their victims. The movement
is run almost exclusively by Jews. Nearly every commissar is a Jew,
and nearly all of them speak English, most of them with an American
accent."


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>>you and others work towards a colourless, sexless, nationless
>>One World government.
>
>yeh, right. Actually it's your commie backers that seemed most bent on
>world domination. 

 The term "commie" seems to be used in an erroneous manner. You must
define this term first. Then, please elaborate on your statement
concerning "commie backers". 

Best Regards,

Vincent

Jewish author Dr. Lewis Harap, in the magazine Jewish Life for June
1951, page 20, reveals:

On May 29, 1950... in the Chicago Tribune ...three prominent American
Jews, Felix Frankfurter, Henry Morgenthau Jr., and Herbert H. Lehman
..were called the secret government of the United States and were
linked with world communism.... The article was written by Walter
Trohan, the Tribune's top Washington editor.



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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>>while we build an army of proud White men and women 
>>whose ideals, heritage and culture represents the actual 
>>intent of the Founding Fathers of America.
>
>No ... you will attempt to build a proud army of peasants under the
>agrarian ideal within the agricultural hinterlands and striving for the
>"peoples revolution" ... you folks have as much as said so in your posts.
>However, if we assumed that you would be succesful, then once that
>revolution was finished, the fruits of others' labors stolen, and the
>power seized by your commie cabinet, then like the people in Cuba and
>elsewhere found, the -real- agenda of your commie motivated movement would
>quickly appear and rights would be stripped from -all-. That you fail to
>recognize this does not change the reality of your assorted "racialist"
>movements being very heavily commie motivated. That you yourself as a
>simple dupe would then also suffer is a pity.

 You are confusing the National Alliance with the Communist Party USA
or a similar group. This is the only explanation for your statements.
You are simply confused.

>Fortunately, your little commie instigated movement -won't- succeed
>because it has already failed. Listen, Bok, the days of what your leaders
>were trying to set up are over. The wall has fallen, capitalism is
>invading eastern Europe, and your beloved Soviet communism is dying a slow
>death and will even be forced to return the stolen funds to the Jews you
>all hate. Just give it up and join the American people in the spirit of
>liberty. At this point you commie dupes are really just pathetic
>anachronisms. It doesn't matter how active you get now, you won't stop the
>seizure of the money from the ex-commie coffers and its return to the
>Jews. Your little revolution will therefore remain unfunded and
>unsupported.

 Again, you are truly confused. What organization are you a member of?

>>The National Alliance stands as anti-thetical to
>>those ideas which makes your remarks all the more pathetic.
>
>I understand that. In terms of constitutional republics, conservatives,
>liberals, democratic socialists or any other group that strives to
>maintain power and rights for the people at large to whatever level they
>believe in, your totalitarian collectivist commie beliefs -are- truly
>antithetical. And I can understand why, holding those hardcore beliefs as
>you do, you feel any remarks promoting liberty for all people to be
>"pathetic." I'm sure that Stalin felt the same as you.

 Since you know that I was refering to Marxism. I stated:

"Additionally, I have pointed out again and again that the ideals
which you and the others promote are the basis for Marxism. That is
the simple fact. The National Alliance stands as anti-thetical to
those ideas which makes your remarks all the more pathetic."

 You cut and paste work speaks for itself. 

Best Regards,

Vincent

In the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise
stated:

"Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism."


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:


>> What a people believe is irrelevant? 
>
>their religion is irrelevant, yes. You see a lot of diverse people, Jewish
>and non-Jewish, share similar beliefs while many Jews between each other
>don't agree. This phenomenon is based on individuality, rather than the
>collectivism you seem most familiar with. Now I understand that to you
>collectivist commies the idea of sub-group or individualistic dissent is a
>difficult concept because dissent is strongly discouraged, but in a free
>society it's pretty normal. So to hate the Jews as a group is simply
>communist behavior. Don't worry, I've heard many of your same anti-Jewish
>arguments from folks raised in Russia ... almost verbatim. Odd how you
>commies all share the same collectivist hatreds, eh? Must be something in
>the way you're trained. But in any case these were immigrants and loved
>the U.S. so they learned to overcome their anti-Jewish commie
>indoctrination. I'm sure you can too.

 Actually, you are expressing the ideals of Marx to the letter. Your
refusal to see groups and only look at individuals is an excellent
example of Marxism's inherent refusal to recognize human differences.
You have perverted the individual and removed him from Nature. What
you call "collectivism" is actual the National Alliance's exceptence
of human differences and its relation to group differences. In the
National Alliance policy statement called "What is the National
Alliance," this ideal is expressed:

"Furthermore, just as the races may be ordered according to their
levels of development, so may the individuals within a race.
Some are better able to understand the world around them than others;
some are more creative; some have better self-discipline or a stronger
will; some have a more highly developed sense of responsibility. In a
well-ordered society these differences will be reflected in varying
degrees of influence or control over the course of the society being
exercised by the various members of the society. according to their
varying individual qualities."

(http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/na1.html#law)

You have erred and this error is fatal for mankind.

Best Regards,

Vincent

>From  the Jewish World of February 9, 1883 we read:

"The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued
with Jewish teachings, and that in a universal brotherhood of nations
- a greater Judaism in fact - all the separate races and religions
shall disappear."


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On Fri, 18 Oct 96 3:48:03 GMT, sybesma@netcom.com (Steven D. Sybesma)
wrote:

>
>On Sat, 12 Oct 96 16:18:23 GMT knbell [knbell@top.monad.net] wrote:
>
>: The Bok wrote:
>: > ---------
>: >  Well Ken, it looks like we have a first class secret agent here. Not
>: > only is he involved in saving America from the New World Order, but he
>: > also is working on the side of America's good friends...the
>: > Anti-Racist.
>: >  Now, siding with brotherly love groups like the ADL, JDL, The Simon
>: > Weisenthal  Center, and of course the eternal enemy of racist...the
>: > Communist Party, Alrin works for Truth, Justice and the Soviet way.
>: >  Please stay tuned for next weeks addition of:
>: >  "Arlin H. Adams: Marxist Utopian Superhero"
>: Dear Bok,
>: I have come to the same conclusion as you.
>: I hope Arleen Adams (he, she, or it,  is the question) reads this. I 
>: shall post the following to the next one of her postings I see just to 
>: make sure:
>: I have looked you up Arleen? and discover that over the last seven 
>: months, you have made 1400 postings to this group! Who is paying you? I 
>: do not know of any one of the hundreds of independant Militia groups who 
>: either have that kind of money to spare or share your bigoted and 
>: unconstitutional views on the suppression of free speech and free 
>: thought. Maybe the JDL, Arleen??? Please respond. There are many other 
>: Militia men who are most interested.
>: Cordially,
>: Ken
>
>What dumbasses like you do is contribute to the lie that the militia is mostly
>a bunch of hard core racist trash--such as you are.

I don't believe that you have the right to determine what militia
member think. You seem to forget the America's founders held the same
idea that you now attack. In addition, since this is a so-called
"free-country" and our Founders gave us the First Amendment, militia
members can think or say what ever they please. If you want a
totalitarian thought controlling state...please contact Arlin, he is
hard at work on that very project.

>Fact is, you and your ilk are headed straight for a burning hell unless you get
>on your knees and repent to an angry God who is displeased with your constant
>evil-mouthings against his chosen people, the Jews.

Since the Jews are Gods so-called "chosen people", why don't you just
become a Jew and your problems are all over. Besides, any God which
chooses one group over another is racist and bigoted and could use
some sensitivity training. Maybe you could teach your Lord about
"tolerance, "diversity" and "Multi-Culturalism" so that his prejudice
will stop? 

 Don't criticize the self-chosen or you go to hell. Very totalitarian.
Hasn't he heard of the First Amendment? Maybe the big jew in the sky
doesn't believe in rights??

>This being said, I myself am not a Jew but recognize them and respect them
>because of what God PLAINLY said to Abraham in Genesis 12:3--
>
>"...and I will bless them that bless thee, and CURSE him that CURSETH thee."

 Well, now we wee why the Jews have had an easy time conquering
America. 

>If you want to be ignorant and argue that the Zionist Jews are not in fact the
>genuine Jews and do not fall under the protection of God, your argument isn't
>with me, it's with the Bible.
>
>Meanwhile, you're under God's curse.

 Since I am not religious, I could care less. You are truly insane.

>It says what it says, and what you believe in is nothing more than the long
>disproved cultic rantings of people like Herbert Armstrong who started the
>damned-to-hell British-Israelism lie.

 No, I am not religious so I don't know where you get your information
from? Don't trust ADL agents even if they say they are friends of
Arlin. If I did follow a religion, I would follow a European relgion
and not a semitic one. I personally prefer that the good and the noble
rule the world and not the weak and the botched. A personal call.

>In case you didn't know, the Worldwide Church of God has since repented of all
>that false doctrine.  Sorry if you can't realize the B-I error yourself.

 Great!! And?? 

>In the end, the world is not run by a Jewish banking conspiracy.
>
>That old crap of a story was invented by cursed Jew-haters who are probably
>providing a lot of fuel for the fires of hell right about now.

 I know, anyone who criticizes the Jews is going to hell etc. That's
ok, even if it was true, and that was a bad thing, you couldn't do
anything about it anyway or it's a one way trip to the afterlife BBQ.

>That lie-filled conspiracy needs to die forever (and will), pure and simple.
>
>As to the militia, you don't have any legitimate claim of membership to it
>anymore than the ADL has any legitimate claim to anti-anti-Semitism.

 Did I forget to have Arlin sign my membership card again? Oh, dear.

>They have betrayed their own brothers and sisters just as much as you have 
>cursed God's chosen people.

>Any Jew or Christian who is willing to give up land to the >Palestinians for 
>peace cannot realistically be said to be a Jew or Christian, since God Himself
>gave to the Jews much more land than they now occupy, and it is His will that
>they would have occupied that land from the time God gave it to Abraham to
>forever.  To compromise on that is literally to disobey God.  Which is what
>Israel (as a picture of all of us, Jew or Gentile) has done throughout history.

 I am beginning to smell a rat here. And you work for who? The ADL?
JDL? AIPAC? Nizkor? The Simon Weisenthal Center? 

 So let me get this straight, America is for everyone and the Nazi's
were evil for deporting Jews, but Israel is for Jews only and
deporting, killing, torturing and using Arabs for medical experiments
is NOT evil. Did I get that right? Oh, that's right. They are God's
chosen people...I forgot. 

>And for that which God commands that you take possession of forever, that same
>thing you have no right to give away, nor do you even owe an apology for 
>demanding rightful ownership of it.  Such is the land of Israel to the Jews.

 Sound like the Talmud:

"It is permitted to pratice Usury on the Gentile, because the practice
of Usury
on a Gentile at any time pleases the Lord."
-Schulchan Aruch, Orah
Chaim, 539

 "A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat, and purjure himself; but he must
take
care that he is not found out so that Israel may not suffer."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Deah

 " A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated"
-Abode Shara, 37a

"Jews are human beings: the other people of the world are not human
beings but beasts"
-Bata Mezia

"God has given the Jews power over the possesions and blood of all
nations"
-Seph. Jp., 92,1.

"All things pertaining to the Goyim [cattle] are like a desert; the
first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own"
-Baba Bartha, 54b

"It is always a meritorious deed to get hold of a Gentile's
possessions"
-Shulchan Aruch

"All Israelites will have a part in the  future world...The Goyim, at
the end of the world, will be handed over to the angel Duma and sent
down to Hell."
-Zohar

"It is always a good deed to burn and destroy the non-Jewish place of
worship or whatever belongs to it or is done for it, and to throw the
ashes into the four winds."
-Shulchan Aruch, Jore Deah, 143

"The seed of a Christian is of no more value than that of a beast."
-Kethuboth, 3b

"If a Jew has raped a non-Jewish girl and another who saw it is called
as a witness, that Jew must, without compunction, swear falsely."
-Jore Deah

>And such is likened to all our God-given rights, by extension.
>
>God doesn't like wimpering cowards who compromise on principle.

He just wants the weak and the meak to rule the Earth. 

>That's what the ADL is.  They are pro-Oslo so-called 'peace' process.
>
>Essentially, the ADL is a group of anti-Zionist traitors.
>
>You have to remember that half of Israel voted for the traitor (Peres).
>
>It's sad that you don't know that there is deep division among Jews in Israel.
---------


And it seems Jews like yourself have a deep division in your cranial
cavity if you think that I care about your Christianity. Your
territorial expasion ideas should help American's understand why your
Jews are so hated in the Middle East. My siding with butcher like the
Israeli's, we are setting outselves up for terrorism and world
distain.

 You are a sick man. 


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 22:48:04 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <846096498$21804@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>First, Bok, I should preface with the point that Arlin has steadfastly
>defended in saying that you are not a knowing Soviet commie follower. I'm
>not sure I believe that, but I'll operate under that premise for now.

 And again, I ask you to contrast communism with the policies of the
National Alliance. What is the basis of your remarks?


Best Regards,

Vincent

>From  the Jewish World of February 9, 1883 we read:

"The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued
with Jewish teachings, and that in a universal brotherhood of nations
- a greater Judaism in fact - all the separate races and religions
shall disappear."


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On Sat, 19 Oct 96 18:18:04 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845719462$16246@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>>professor of what? where? and credentials (if any)?  Sooner or later,
>ian,
>>>you're going to realize that this sort of nazi nonsense only sells over
>on
>>>- what was that that kid called your newsgroup?  oh
>>>yeah...alt.politics.white-powder....
>>>
>>>Arlin H. Adams
>>
>>
>>The good Prof. Lynn was the writer of the article. I have the issue of
>>AR and it states that:
>>
>>1. A.R. Jensen. How much can we boost IQ and scholastic achievement?
>>   Harvard Educational Review, 39, 449-483.
>>2. R.A. Weinburg, S. Scarr & I.D. Waldman. The Minnesota transracial
>>adoption study: A follow up of IQ test performance of adolescence.
>>   INTELLIGENCE, 1992, 117-135.
>
>
>That still doesn't say anything about Mr. Lynn's qualifications to
>interpret the data he's reviewing...now where is he a professor, where did
>he earn his doctorate, in what, and what are his other publications?
>
>Arlin H. Adams
---------
Perhaps you missed the above mentioned references.  Maybe if your
interest was truly in seaking the truth on such an important matter,
you could get the references yourself. That is if you are interested
and are qualified to interpret the data.

The article mentions that Prof. Lynn is professor of psychology at the
University of Ulser, Coleraine, Northern Ireland.

There are three additional references in addition to the above
mentioned citation. They are:

3. S.Scarr and R.A. Weinberg. IQ test performance of black children
adopted by white Americans. American Psychologist, 1976, 54, 260-267

4. R.Lynn. The role of nutrition in the secular increaseof
intelligance. Personality and Individual Differences, 1990, 11,
273-286.

5. J. Day Population Projections of United States by Age, Sex, Race
and Hispanic Origin: 1992-2050. Washington, D.C.: Bureau of the
Census.


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 4:33:03 GMT, Lissa Valerian
 wrote:

>
>
>On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Brian Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, White racial patriots have virtually ALWAYS been victorious
>> throughout history!   White patriots soundly defeated the Huns, drove
>> the moors from Spain, defeated the Zulus, trounced on the Mexican
>> Army.
>>
>> White patriots were defeated in WWII...
>>
>
>
>Already starting to contradict yourself?
>

 Since he stated "virtually" your comment is erroneous.

Best Regards,

Vincent


>From  the Jewish World of February 9, 1883 we read:

  "The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued
with Jewish teachings, and that in a universal brotherhood of nations
- a greater Judaism in fact - all the separate races and religions
shall disappear."


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 10:03:41 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846038893$14800@atype.com>, hmurdock 
>writes:
>
>>I hate to bring you bad news, but the constition you wish to defend so
>much
>>already has been overthrown. 
>
>sorry hm, no sale - it's the Constitution we have and the Constitution we
>will defend against all enemies - foreign or domestic...which is why both
>the nazis and the statists fear us.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 What Arlin's problem seems to be is a lack of respect for the intent
of the Constitution and a narrow-minded obsession with a piece of
paper in the National Achives. 

 Following Arlin's logic, if a new amendment  passes which took away
rights, he would follow it and defend it. What if the Amendment struck
down the Bill of Rights? 

Best Regards,

Vincent


In the 1912 book, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, the
Communist Jew, Israel Cohen wrote:

  "We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is
racial tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of the dark
races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we
can mold them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we
will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt
complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes
to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in
the world of sports and entertainment.  With this prestige, the Negro
will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which
will deliver America to our cause."  Israel Cohen wrote that in 1912!
Ask yourself!  Did this program cease when the Soviet collapsed - or
does it still continue today?  All America must know the terror that
is upon us.

As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 9:49:17 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846023596$13194@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>> Kind of like watching the
>>Bengals play the forty-niners!   ".... yes, folks, the militia are
>>being overwhelmed once again...  WOW!  They just got rolled by a
>>million man Mexican brigade!   Oops their "Black unit" just deserted
>>them!   Now the Pink militia with Gay pride triangle-emblems are now
>>on the field begging for mercy with flowers in their rifles!!"    
>
>well, gee brian, if you're so sure that we're not a threat, you wont mind
>giving up all those heavy weapons your folks have been smuggling into
>elohim city and hayden lake, now will you?
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Once again, Arlin puffs up his chest and I knock the wind out of him.
(A daily ritual.) We are not members of the Aryan Nations, nor do we
know what the Aryan Nations are involved in. you are so blinded with
hatred that you cannot discern reality anymore.

 I actually thought that Brian comments were telling. I wonder if you
mentioned to your 3 man Marxist-Militia that the ideals you support
endorse homosexuality and perversion? You have clearl;y stated that
you:

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY."

 This means that homosexuals and pervert of all makes and models are
considered normal America citizens. Do you allow homosexuals in your
milia? What about people who like to dress as women while being
spanked by midgets wearing strap on's while on the backs of women
fresh from the abortion clinic and wearing Nation of Islam pins? They
are "equal" according to your "New" Constitution(tm)...right? 

 What about Satanists? Do you and the others in your little group
allow Satanists to become members? What will the Christians say?
Remember, you stated "We acknowledge and support the equality of all
people, regardless of their skin color, RELIGION, gender, or ethnic
heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity
which is America."

 In the words of Mr. Strom: "Oy Vey, What a Country!"

 Arlin's New Constitution (tm), support untruth, injustice and the
Soviet way!

Best Regards,

Vincent


>From  the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188
by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel)

 "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the
paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the
commander of the military police post on the base.

 At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to
carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the
time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short
skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which
the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time,
even if they were  taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the
radio so no one would await their  return. That is where I would come
in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a
holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small town of Tel Aviv. I'd always
assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all
knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive,
but brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had
convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area.
 
 It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It
was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic,
bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological
scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were
so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an
all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no
room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this
reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the
scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast
they worked and make them more efficient.

 What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the
fact that was taking place but rather the clamness and understanding
with which I accepted it."


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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 21:03:52 GMT, yeah.right@sure.com (piss off) wrote:

>
>Negroes riot in South St. Pete.Twenty eight buldings burned,scores of
>police injured trying to protect the negros from themselves.In the
>mean time bureaucrates from Washington pour into town to give federal
>aid to the poor savages that burned down thier own neighborhood.Well
>what else is new?White folks just don't get it yet,constantly
>retreating with the help of the controlled media.
>Stay in the south end of town Willie there is still a few good men
>left to deal with you and your lawless breed,your end will come soon.
>Ed White
>


Ed,

 I live in the Tampa Bay Area and I saw the new conference after the
riots. Not only are they apologizing for the police shooting a Black
who was trying to run over one of the policemen, but they are going to
rebuild everything they destroyed and give the police "sensitivity
training". 

 Well, there it is: Politics by riot. What a democracy. When a
government is run by politicians who want to appeal to voters and not
ideals, you have a government by and for politicians. This has always
been the inherent flaw with democracy. It always turns into a circus.

 Burn St. Pete, burn...and money is on the way.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew)
A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.



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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 17:19:10 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In point of fact it looks as though billynazi stupidly dumped his entire
>tuesday response file onto the newsgroup again...I wonder how long it'll
>take him to realize he's done so?
>
>Arlin H. Adams
>
>In article <846308891$10550@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Oct 96 4:22:42 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article <845939883$2714@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>>>writes:
>

 I see you never run out of adhominem attacks. I am well aware of the
reposting of a few of my messages. Some have never made it to m.a.m.
so I repost them. 

 Who do you work for?

Best Regards,
Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew)
A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.


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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 17:18:58 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>billynazi once again demonstrates that his database is malfing - yet
>another duplicate post - getting those withdrawal symptoms pretty bad this
>morning, eh billynazi?
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 No, are forgetting to answer them? It seems so.

 By the way, what is a "billynazi"? 

Best Regards for a quick trial.

Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew)
A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.


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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 2:48:03 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846352089$14021@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>
>> What Arlin's problem seems to be is a lack of respect for the intent
>>of the Constitution and a narrow-minded obsession with a piece of
>>paper in the National Achives. 
>
>[translation: doggone it these militia guys keep quoting the REAL
>Constitution...gotta do something about that!  when we nazis have all the
>guns and all the money and all the power, we'll get rid of that stupid
>piece of paper and then the Constituon will be whatever we say it is.]

 Why lie about your intent? Would the real Arlin please stand up? You
have been lying and purposely misrepresenting yourself on this sub.
For what reason, I can only imagine. Your a hypocrite and worse that
that, you side with your socialist pal Wizard while attacking us. You
stated:

"most of our formerly european ancestors who ended up over here did so
because they were forced out, thrown out, or otherwise encouraged to
leave from their varied countries of origin"

" Most importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the
world TODAY."

But on 1996/09/24, you said:

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur"

You said the following on 1996/09/19:

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

but then you say this:

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America. "

and this:

"the current owner and executive editor may be ethnicly Jewish, they
may even be very religious people, but so what?"


Your a fool and worse, a lying hypocrite.

>> Following Arlin's logic, if a new amendment  passes which took away
>>rights, he would follow it and defend it. What if the Amendment struck
>>down the Bill of Rights? 
>
>[translation: Arlin keeps making us look really stupid, so we'll set up a
>pseudological trap for him...after all it worked on all of us nazis...]

Answer the question. Hypocrite. Remember, I have ALL of your posts you
have EVERY posted here. Why don't you tell us your real agenda? 

What if a new Amendment was added to the Constition which took away
the Bill of Rights? Would your "Constitutional Militia" would accept
it?

Remember, you stated:

" Most importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the
world TODAY."

>Try again, billynazi, this effort simply wasn't good enough.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 It is never good enough to just corner a lier. 

Best regards...hypocrite.

Vincent

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

-Arlin H.(hypocrite) Adams, in a posted dated 9/19/96.


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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 19:03:28 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846436770$18522@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>
>> I see you never run out of adhominem attacks. I am well aware of the
>>reposting of a few of my messages. Some have never made it to m.a.m.
>>so I repost them. 
>
>all of them made it over to the AOL nntp server the first time around...if
>you're using that little server at alpha.org to read your newsgroups, you
>might want to check - it's run by racists and they have funny ideas about
>censorship...

 I expected some kind of adhominem response. I expect nothing less
>from  a lying hypocrite like yourself. 

>> Who do you work for?
>
>LOL! The Constitutional Militias...what's your shoe size, billynazi? and
>where were you April 13-18 1995?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Arlin Hypocrite Adams, also known as the secret agent "Penguin". Holy
smokes Batman, the Penguins loose and he's organizing a band of Soviet
criminal types in his bit to overthrow Gothem.

 Best Regards...lier.

Vincent


Arlin before his new ideals:

"Yes, true enough, I guess, though, that the question remains then, is
how you would prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs
and moral standards when making socio-political decisions - for that
is the *only* way religion will ever be seperated from politics in
this country."

Arlin After his new Ideals:

"the current owner and executive editor may be ethnicly Jewish, they
may even be very religious people, but so what?"




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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 2:48:03 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

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>In article <846352089$14021@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>
>> What Arlin's problem seems to be is a lack of respect for the intent
>>of the Constitution and a narrow-minded obsession with a piece of
>>paper in the National Achives. 
>
>[translation: doggone it these militia guys keep quoting the REAL
>Constitution...gotta do something about that!  when we nazis have all the
>guns and all the money and all the power, we'll get rid of that stupid
>piece of paper and then the Constituon will be whatever we say it is.]

 Why lie about your intent? Would the real Arlin please stand up? You
have been lying and purposely misrepresenting yourself on this sub.
For what reason, I can only imagine. Your a hypocrite and worse that
that, you side with your socialist pal Wizard while attacking us. You
stated:

"most of our formerly european ancestors who ended up over here did so
because they were forced out, thrown out, or otherwise encouraged to
leave from their varied countries of origin"

" Most importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the
world TODAY."

But on 1996/09/24, you said:

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur"

You said the following on 1996/09/19:

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

but then you say this:

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America. "

and this:

"the current owner and executive editor may be ethnicly Jewish, they
may even be very religious people, but so what?"


Your a fool and worse, a lying hypocrite.

>> Following Arlin's logic, if a new amendment  passes which took away
>>rights, he would follow it and defend it. What if the Amendment struck
>>down the Bill of Rights? 
>
>[translation: Arlin keeps making us look really stupid, so we'll set up a
>pseudological trap for him...after all it worked on all of us nazis...]

Answer the question. Hypocrite. Remember, I have ALL of your posts you
have EVERY posted here. Why don't you tell us your real agenda? 

What if a new Amendment was added to the Constition which took away
the Bill of Rights? Would your "Constitutional Militia" would accept
it?

Remember, you stated:

" Most importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the
world TODAY."

>Try again, billynazi, this effort simply wasn't good enough.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 It is never good enough to just corner a lier. 

Best regards...hypocrite.

Vincent

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

-Arlin H.(hypocrite) Adams, in a posted dated 9/19/96.


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On Wed, 23 Oct 96 9:49:17 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846023596$13194@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>> Kind of like watching the
>>Bengals play the forty-niners!   ".... yes, folks, the militia are
>>being overwhelmed once again...  WOW!  They just got rolled by a
>>million man Mexican brigade!   Oops their "Black unit" just deserted
>>them!   Now the Pink militia with Gay pride triangle-emblems are now
>>on the field begging for mercy with flowers in their rifles!!"    
>
>well, gee brian, if you're so sure that we're not a threat, you wont mind
>giving up all those heavy weapons your folks have been smuggling into
>elohim city and hayden lake, now will you?
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Once again, Arlin puffs up his chest and I knock the wind out of him.
(A daily ritual.) We are not members of the Aryan Nations, nor do we
know what the Aryan Nations are involved in. you are so blinded with
hatred that you cannot discern reality anymore.

 I actually thought that Brian comments were telling. I wonder if you
mentioned to your 3 man Marxist-Militia that the ideals you support
endorse homosexuality and perversion? You have clearl;y stated that
you:

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY."

 This means that homosexuals and pervert of all makes and models are
considered normal America citizens. Do you allow homosexuals in your
milia? What about people who like to dress as women while being
spanked by midgets wearing strap on's while on the backs of women
fresh from the abortion clinic and wearing Nation of Islam pins? They
are "equal" according to your "New" Constitution(tm)...right? 

 What about Satanists? Do you and the others in your little group
allow Satanists to become members? What will the Christians say?
Remember, you stated "We acknowledge and support the equality of all
people, regardless of their skin color, RELIGION, gender, or ethnic
heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity
which is America."

 In the words of Mr. Strom: "Oy Vey, What a Country!"

 Arlin's New Constitution (tm), support untruth, injustice and the
Soviet way!

Best Regards,

Vincent


>From  the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188
by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel)

 "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the
paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the
commander of the military police post on the base.

 At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to
carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the
time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short
skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which
the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time,
even if they were  taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the
radio so no one would await their  return. That is where I would come
in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a
holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small town of Tel Aviv. I'd always
assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all
knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive,
but brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had
convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area.
 
 It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It
was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic,
bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological
scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were
so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an
all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no
room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this
reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the
scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast
they worked and make them more efficient.

 What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the
fact that was taking place but rather the clamness and understanding
with which I accepted it."


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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 21:03:52 GMT, yeah.right@sure.com (piss off) wrote:

>
>Negroes riot in South St. Pete.Twenty eight buldings burned,scores of
>police injured trying to protect the negros from themselves.In the
>mean time bureaucrates from Washington pour into town to give federal
>aid to the poor savages that burned down thier own neighborhood.Well
>what else is new?White folks just don't get it yet,constantly
>retreating with the help of the controlled media.
>Stay in the south end of town Willie there is still a few good men
>left to deal with you and your lawless breed,your end will come soon.
>Ed White
>


Ed,

 I live in the Tampa Bay Area and I saw the new conference after the
riots. Not only are they apologizing for the police shooting a Black
who was trying to run over one of the policemen, but they are going to
rebuild everything they destroyed and give the police "sensitivity
training". 

 Well, there it is: Politics by riot. What a democracy. When a
government is run by politicians who want to appeal to voters and not
ideals, you have a government by and for politicians. This has always
been the inherent flaw with democracy. It always turns into a circus.

 Burn St. Pete, burn...and money is on the way.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew)
A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.



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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 1:33:09 GMT, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
wrote:

>
>On 1996/09/19 Arlin said:
>
>>Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size, diversity,
>>and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up of too many
>>groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made up of people who
>>are far too human to ever be able to institute national policies which
>>accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals, and beliefs of all of it's
>>citizens. 
>
>
>I couldn't agree more. 
>
>He openly admits we're too diverse, and conceeds that human nature is also an 
>important factor. Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? "Diverse" 
>societies never hold together in the long run, and Arlin obviously knows 
>that. 
>
>Race is the most obvious diversity in America, since it's so obvious. 
>In the past our diversity consisted almost exclusively of language, religous, 
>and cultural variants, but with all of us being White, these things could 
>eventually be overcome. We had immigrants who were of various Christian 
>sects, but they did share many common values. They spoke many languages, but 
>they were basically all European languages. Culture, the same situation.
>
>Today, the diversity issue is vastly complicated. We have many immigrants 
>who are openly hostile to European culture and heritage. They can't 
>identify with it at all. They have no religous or cultural relation to the 
>West, and they are obviously very different physically, and I think, mentally 
>- in their outlook on life.
>
>The diversity of the past was managable over time - we had differences, 
>but also many similarities. Today's diversity is unmanagable and will 
>eventually destroy America. Arlin understands this, but when faced with 
>someone like me who states my position as I do, he denies and attacks.
>
>I'm convinced that many of the differences we've seen here are a result of 
>too many people trying to be politically correct, and Arlin is one of 
>those. He doesn't consider himself to be racial, but he basically agrees 
>with the racialist view: diversity is dangerous.  
>
>
>Yours truly,
>Ian McKinney
>    \|/
>     |

Ian, 

 How amazing it is to see what a lier and hypocrite Arlin really is. I
think Arlin will make a good politician some day. Then he can
institute his "New" Constitution (tm) and make the work safe for a new
Marxism. 

Best Regards,

Vincent

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur"

	-Arlin H. (hypocrite) Adams


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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 20:18:31 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <846438483$18675@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>All you can do is keep moaning about 
>>"commies", "nazis", etc. Every time I post an article, you goofs
>bail-out.
>
>wrong, I(v)an. Your articles are generally refuted, but you are on record
>as not addressing those refutations in anything other than by assault
>against the posters themselves. Sorry, no matter how many times you try
>the "they ran" lie it falls flat on its face. On the other hand, you kids
>have run from the proof that you actually share the euro-commie philosophy
>of Stalinesque political systems.
>
>>We're discussing the militia, lunk-head, and, most importantly, the 
>>false liberal propaganda which gets promoted within it. 
>
>the militias are "liberal?"   I wish.
>
>>All my posts are related to America, patriotism, and anti-government 
>>philosophy.
>
>if you say so. 
>
>> It's your chief-fools, Arlin, Wizard, etc., who keep dragging the 
>>debates through the gutter of vulgar personal attacks.
>
>Point #1 ... thanks for once again attempting to draft me into the
>militia, but as far as I know, they don't have a draft, it's all
>voluntary.
>
>Point $2 ... in terms of "vulgar personal attacks?" What do you call
>addressing Sheldon as "lunkhead" in the above paragraph? Or a large number
>of your group's other posts including initial ones assaulting Arlins sex?
>A tad hypocritical, aren't you? Assault folks then whine when they respond
>in kind? Rather like the way folks like you were trying to incite black
>riots in St. Petersburg, Florida a few back, isn't it? Say, what is your
>Stalinesque buddy Bok doing down there in Tampa, eh?
>
>Mr. Wizard


Hypocritical?

 You are a known Marxist Socialist type. Arlin has called you such on
many occasions, but here you are, arguing the right along side of him.
To enemies joining together to fight the forces of Nationalism. I
guess it is kind of like WWII when America sided with the most brutal
butchers of all time, the Soviet Union, only to find out that their
friend was no friend at all and gobbled up half of Europe.

 Arlin stated this on 9/20/96

"no you're socialists, we've realized that for quite some time...the
problem is that when you're core belief system is so opposite ours
it's hard to realize you might have ideas that would reach across the
gap."

 Already making friends with America's enemies. You and Arlin make a
good team. We could call you two "The Great Lying Wizo Brothers".

(Best announcers voice)
 
"Come one come all. the great greatest display of hypocracy on Earth"

Best Regards. Write again soon.

Vincent

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Indeed, in cultures which do not stress an individual right of
self-defense, and in which the law abiding citizens have been
disarmed."

"I guess, though, that the question remains then, is how
you would prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs and
moral standards when making socio-political decisions(?)"

"the current owner and executive editor may be ethnicly Jewish, they
may even be very religious people, but so what?"

 -Arlin Hypocrite Adams
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Would the real Arlin please stand up?


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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 16:23:34 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846172995$29536@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>writes:
>
>>Or don't you have any of that "white pride" that you claim?
>
>why sure they do Wiz!  every last one of them has the tee shirt!
>
>Arlin Adams

Tell em' Arlin! My shirt actually says this:

"no you're socialists, we've realized that for quite some time...the
problem is that when you're core belief system is so opposite ours
it's hard to realize you might have ideas that would reach across the
gap."

 -In a post to Wizard by Arlin Hypocrite Adams, 9/20/96


The "New" Constitutional (tm) Milita makes strange bed fellows. 

"Reach out, reach out and touch commie scum."
	-The new Marxist-Militia Theme.

Best Regards, hypocrite.

Vincent


"We Jews are accused of being destroyers, what ever you put, we tear 
down. It is true only in a relitive sense. We are not iconoclasts 
deliberately, we are not enemies of your institutions simply because 
of the dislike between us. We are a homeless mass seeking satisfaction

for our constructive insticts. And in your institutions we cannot find

satisfaction, they are the play institutions of the splended children 
of man - and not of man himself. We try to adapt your institutions to 
our needs, because while we live we must have expression, and trying 
to rebuild them for our needs, we unbuild them for yours. "

Jewish Author, Maurice Samual 
>From  his book "You Gentiles".





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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 16:23:28 GMT, rarpol@aol.com (RARPOL) wrote:

>
>In article <846172995$29536@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>writes:
>
>>You've also universally failed to prove you aren't commies.
>
>No, no, they are Aryan-Trotskyites.  
>
>Randy Ragsdale (rarpol@aol.com)
>


And you are delusional.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"no you're socialists, we've realized that for quite some time...the
problem is that when you're core belief system is so opposite ours
it's hard to realize you might have ideas that would reach across the
gap."

 -In a post to Wizard by Arlin Hypocrite Adams, 9/20/96


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 9:18:06 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
Medintz) wrote:

>
>Whilst completely naked, AHABIZ said unto us:
>
>>[Translation:  ooops, almost forgot to get in a slur about some connection
>>to an antinazi group!  cheez, ianazi - everytime we make remarks about how
>>much money Arlin must be making all of the militia people fall over
>>laughing - do you know why that is?]
>
>Dammit, Arlin, billynazi is wrong. I'm not laughing. My paycheck from the
>Catholics and the jooz and the NWO is late again.
>
>--
>Mike S. Medintz | http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~medintz | KB9ODS
>Member, NRA, ACLU, EFF, ARRL, Sierra Club of Kansas
>Dream back the Bison, Sing back the Swan


Medintz? Sounds jooish. One of the boys?

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. 
Nothing that you will do will meet our demands. We will forever
destroy because we need a world of our own, a God world, which is NOT
in your  nature to build." 

Jewish Author, Maurice Samual 
>From  his book "You Gentiles".


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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 16:26:51 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846183805$737@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>Well, if the Constitution is going to be taken out of context to
>>justify multiracialism then it also has to justify HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS!!
>
>LOL!  Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
>know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
>everybody else?  That means they live around you, and that you pass them
>every time you walk down the street!  They're all around you, brianazi!
>and you know what else?  except for that screwy black uniform of yours,
>they dress just like you too!  What are you going to do now?  If you
>decide you're only going to deal with other nazis, you'll end up starving
>to death, but if you *don't* restrict yourself to dealing with nazis, and
>instead try to exist in mainstream American society, you'll NEVER KNOW
>whether the person you're interacting with is gay or not!  Oh no!  you
>might have to think!  quick run and ask your masters what to do!
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 So do you allow Homosexuals and perverts into your militia? What
about simple cross-dressers? 

 Bestr Regards, 

Vincent

"We Jews are accused of being destroyers, what ever you put, we tear 
down. It is true only in a relitive sense. We are not iconoclasts 
deliberately, we are not enemies of your institutions simply because 
of the dislike between us. We are a homeless mass seeking satisfaction

for our constructive insticts. And in your institutions we cannot find

satisfaction, they are the play institutions of the splended children 
of man - and not of man himself. We try to adapt your institutions to 
our needs, because while we live we must have expression, and trying 
to rebuild them for our needs, we unbuild them for yours. "

Jewish Author, Maurice Samual 
>From  his book "You Gentiles".



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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 20:34:43 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845919183$29870@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>In message <845859783$25681@atype.com> - brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478)
>writes:
>
>first off, if you guys want to talk to each other, why don't you do it in
>alt.politics.whitepower, or whatever...you know one of your *own*
>newsgroups.  That being said.
>
>>What amazes me, is that Arlin and his cheering section, never read books
>>like Col. Beaty's book "Iron Curtain Over America." I suppose they would say
>>that Beaty was a Commie, 
>
>no, I'd say he was an alarmist with a poorly developed understanding of
>American society...hey, if you like those guys, try going to a John Birch
>society meeting sometime and stand toward the back...

 Why, so you could see what the enemies of Socialism look like? Maybe
you could bring your Marxist friend Wiz with you? 

>>although he was high-up in U.S. military intelligence 
>>during WW2, in addition to having a Ph.D. in History from Columbia 
>>University and writing numerous well recieved history books.
>
>Any of our resident history buffs here on the newsgroup ever hear of this
>guy??  I sure haven't!

This doesn;t suprise me.

>>No, all that means nothing to these clowns. I doesn't matter that Beaty
>>had access to all kinds of highly classified information, and would doubtless
>>had access to much background information on the subterranean activities of 
>>various groups and persons.
>
>sorry to pop your baloon, kid, but *I* used to have access to exactly the
>same types of information...so what?  none of your giant conspiracy
>theories, Jewish or otherwise were born out by anything I ever saw.

That is because your the enemy, remember?

>>This is the problem when dealing with this kind of mentality. It's due to
>brainwashing: mention Jews, and their antennae go up to see if you're
>>going to say something pro or con, 
>
>no kid, if you mention any ethnic group and then proceed to spew forth
>unfounded stereotypes we'll jump all over your case...doesn't matter which
>ethnic group it happens to be.  Welcome to the United States....

Hypocrite!

On 9/19/96 you stated this:

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens. "

Hypocrite. Lier.

>>I have noticed that they are scrupulous in their avoidance of factual 
>>arguments when it comes to disproportionate Jewish control of the media,
>
>GONG!  you've missed the point again kid - ethnicity is meaningless.

Hypocrite! In the same post on 9/19/96 you stated this:

"Yes, true enough, I guess, though, that the question remains then, is
how you would prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs
and moral standards when making socio-political decisions"

You obviously know the meaning and point. Hypocrite. Lier.

>> discussions on the anti-gentile statements taken from the Jewish Talmud.
>
>
>you haven't presented any such statements - all you've put forward were
>copies of 400 year old antisemitic forgeries...get real ian - we don't
>debate forgeries here, we function on factual information.

 Wrong. I have stated that all definitions presented are from the
Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel and all
quotes are based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of 
the Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. 

 More of the same dishonesty that makes you famous. Lier.

>>They will say anything except discuss rationally, or 
>>counter with facts, any topic that relates to Jews.
>
>you have been countered with facts on every issue you have raised which
>might have had a factual basis.  In those cases where you have fabricated
>issues out of racist misinformation you've been informed that no issue
>existed.  You have no case.

Adhominem, name-calling based responses are not facts. You have
dismissed everything presented as "fabricated", and when shown to be
correct you simply ignore the post or use adhominems.

A typical example was the Lincoln quotes. After it was shown that they
were correct what was your response?

"frank what you seem to have missed was the point that it doesn't
matter whether Lincoln made racist remarks or not"

Hypocrite. Lier.

>[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]
>
>hey guys - There's a book you need to have someone read to you...it's
>entitled : DACHAU - HOUR OF THE AVENGER.  Find out what happens when all
>of those populist types you keep trying to manipulate really find out what
>your plans are...do you a world of good even if you wont like it.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Threats and intimidation are not an argument either. You are a
hypocritical fool.

Best Regards,

Vincent

>From  the Jewish World of February 9, 1883 we read:

"The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued
with Jewish teachings, and that in a universal brotherhood of nations
- a greater Judaism in fact - all the separate races and religions
shall disappear."


"Communism, though little discussed now and loitering in hidden
garrets on miserable straw pallets, is the dark hero destined for a
great, if temporary, role in the modern tragedy .... It would be war,
the ghastliest war of destruction .... The second act is the European
and the World Revolution, the great duel between the destitute and the
aristocracy of wealth; and in that there will be no mention of either
nationality or religion; there will be only one fatherland, the globe,
and only one faith, that in happiness on earth ... How could the drama
end?  I do not know; but I think that eventually the great
sea-serpent (Britain) will have its head crushed and the skin of the
Northern Bear (Russia) will be pulled over its ears.  There may be
only one flock and one shepherd - the one free shepherd with an iron
staff, and a shorn-alike, bleating-alike human herd! ... The Gods are
veiling their faces in pity on the children of man, their long-time
charges, and perhaps over their own fate. The future smells of Russian
leather, blood, godlessness, and many whippings. I should advise our
grandchildren to be born with very thick skins on their backs."

-Poet Heinrich Heine, a friend of Karl Marx, who wrote articles for
Marx's newspaper.

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY.  not, as you would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied
through the prejudices and mistakes of the founders, BUT in it's clear
and ideal form, carried forward these two hundred and twenty years and
incorporating all that has been learned in that time."

-Arlin Hypocrite Adams, Marxist Utopian


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-n Sun, 29 Sep 96 14:33:03 GMT, waffle@primenet.com wrote:

>
>    One needs to look really REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY 
>REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY
>
>well...
>
>At the Palestinian citizens throwing rocks and bottles at Cobra gunships.
>
>THE, decide if we really want to give up the SECOND AMENDMENT--even one 
>LITTLE BIT!
>
>Waf don't live in the mid-east, and that war is thousands of years old, 
>so I ain't making a value judgement on who is right or who is wrong.
>
>I KNOW that, as a Christian, I'd much rather have a good Islamic (Muslim) 
>or a good Jew next door than a bad Christian.
>
>Otherwise, maybe we should just surround the whole damn mid-east with 
>battle groups and let them do the western mountain sort-out. Fight it out 
>to the end, or to a peaceful solution that isn't some frigin' photo-op.
>
>AND--NOBODY better lay claim to Bethlehem, in the sense of destruction, 
>or the exclusion of Christians from the place of Christ's birth. Then I 
>think we should capture and hold our Holy place.
>
>Other than that--remember trying to throw rocks at Cobras.
>
>Give up our guns in the USA--for "PEACE?"
>
>yeah, right!
>
>waffie-IDAHO
>
>[Tell ya what. Here's the deal. The DAY that Israel gives up her weapons 
>for a period of 10 years--and STILL EXISTS... Maybe, just maybe, we 
>should give up a few of our guns....NOPE! Not even then.]
>waf-IDAHO
>************************************************************
>****************************************************************
>
>
>
-------------------
I read a book called the "Other Side of Deception" which was written
by a former member of the Israeli Mossad (Secret police). In the book
he points out many examples of torture, mass deportation, mass
arrests, racism and hatred by Jews against Palestinians. On eof the
most horrid examples was the use of Arabs for Israeli military medical
experiments. Here is a quote I pulled out:

>From  the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188
by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel)

 "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the
paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the
commander of the military police post on the base.

 At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to
carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the
time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short
skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which
the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time,
even if they were  taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the
radio so no one would await their  return. That is where I would come
in as a military police officer; my job was to take the prisoners to a
holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small town of Tel Aviv. I'd always
assumed that it was an interrogation facility for the Shaback. We all
knew that a prisoner brought there would probably never get out alive,
but brainwashing we'd gone through in our short lifetimes had
convinced us it was them or us; there was no gray area.
 
 It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It
was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic,
bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological
scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were
so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an
all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no
room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this
reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the
scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast
they worked and make them more efficient.

 What scares me today, looking back at that revelation, is not the
fact that was taking place but rather the clamness and understanding
with which I accepted it."


 I can only wonder what our government would do if the didn't have to
fear hundreds of millions of armed citizens. Who knows, they are
probably doing it anyway.
 But, what troubles me most about all this is that we support Israel
with money and military aid and allow people loyal to them so serve in
our government and military. It seems a little scary...if you ask me.

Best Regards,
The Bearer of Knowledge







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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 22:33:21 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>
>In article <846387183$16791@atype.com>,
>Hanson   wrote:
>>I agree with  you Sheldon, these people should be banned. I find their
>>diatribes tiresome and time consuming. There are other groups where they
>>can spew their vitriol. Hate has nothing to do with Militia discussions.
>>A month or so back Mark was doing his best to tie the militia movement
>>to the Nazi movement. I suspect he will again in the future, economics,
>>you know. The differences have been made clear. I would welcome a return
>>to discussions as to the validity of the movement.
>
>Prove it.


 Don't worry Mark, proving the things they say is not a strong point
for the online "New" Constitutional (tm) militia types. They just say
something...and it becomes real...to them.

 Best Regards,

Vincent

"It lacks historical perspective as well as any political reality.
The Constitutional Militias, on the other hand, have been and will
continue to be considered, determined, patient where possible, and
most importantly democratic.  We have coerced no one to our cause, nor
shall we do so."

- Arlin Hypocrite Adams, 9/25/96

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur"

	-Arlin H. (hypocrite) Adams, 9/24/96


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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 20:34:43 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845919183$29870@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>In message <845859783$25681@atype.com> - brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478)
>writes:
>
>first off, if you guys want to talk to each other, why don't you do it in
>alt.politics.whitepower, or whatever...you know one of your *own*
>newsgroups.  That being said.
>
>>What amazes me, is that Arlin and his cheering section, never read books
>>like Col. Beaty's book "Iron Curtain Over America." I suppose they would say
>>that Beaty was a Commie, 
>
>no, I'd say he was an alarmist with a poorly developed understanding of
>American society...hey, if you like those guys, try going to a John Birch
>society meeting sometime and stand toward the back...

 Why, so you could see what the enemies of Socialism look like? Maybe
you could bring your Marxist friend Wiz with you? 

>>although he was high-up in U.S. military intelligence 
>>during WW2, in addition to having a Ph.D. in History from Columbia 
>>University and writing numerous well recieved history books.
>
>Any of our resident history buffs here on the newsgroup ever hear of this
>guy??  I sure haven't!

This doesn;t suprise me.

>>No, all that means nothing to these clowns. I doesn't matter that Beaty
>>had access to all kinds of highly classified information, and would doubtless
>>had access to much background information on the subterranean activities of 
>>various groups and persons.
>
>sorry to pop your baloon, kid, but *I* used to have access to exactly the
>same types of information...so what?  none of your giant conspiracy
>theories, Jewish or otherwise were born out by anything I ever saw.

That is because your the enemy, remember?

>>This is the problem when dealing with this kind of mentality. It's due to
>brainwashing: mention Jews, and their antennae go up to see if you're
>>going to say something pro or con, 
>
>no kid, if you mention any ethnic group and then proceed to spew forth
>unfounded stereotypes we'll jump all over your case...doesn't matter which
>ethnic group it happens to be.  Welcome to the United States....

Hypocrite!

On 9/19/96 you stated this:

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens. "

Hypocrite. Lier.

>>I have noticed that they are scrupulous in their avoidance of factual 
>>arguments when it comes to disproportionate Jewish control of the media,
>
>GONG!  you've missed the point again kid - ethnicity is meaningless.

Hypocrite! In the same post on 9/19/96 you stated this:

"Yes, true enough, I guess, though, that the question remains then, is
how you would prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs
and moral standards when making socio-political decisions"

You obviously know the meaning and point. Hypocrite. Lier.

>> discussions on the anti-gentile statements taken from the Jewish Talmud.
>
>
>you haven't presented any such statements - all you've put forward were
>copies of 400 year old antisemitic forgeries...get real ian - we don't
>debate forgeries here, we function on factual information.

 Wrong. I have stated that all definitions presented are from the
Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel and all
quotes are based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of 
the Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. 

 More of the same dishonesty that makes you famous. Lier.

>>They will say anything except discuss rationally, or 
>>counter with facts, any topic that relates to Jews.
>
>you have been countered with facts on every issue you have raised which
>might have had a factual basis.  In those cases where you have fabricated
>issues out of racist misinformation you've been informed that no issue
>existed.  You have no case.

Adhominem, name-calling based responses are not facts. You have
dismissed everything presented as "fabricated", and when shown to be
correct you simply ignore the post or use adhominems.

A typical example was the Lincoln quotes. After it was shown that they
were correct what was your response?

"frank what you seem to have missed was the point that it doesn't
matter whether Lincoln made racist remarks or not"

Hypocrite. Lier.

>[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]
>
>hey guys - There's a book you need to have someone read to you...it's
>entitled : DACHAU - HOUR OF THE AVENGER.  Find out what happens when all
>of those populist types you keep trying to manipulate really find out what
>your plans are...do you a world of good even if you wont like it.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Threats and intimidation are not an argument either. You are a
hypocritical fool.

Best Regards,

Vincent

>From  the Jewish World of February 9, 1883 we read:

"The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued
with Jewish teachings, and that in a universal brotherhood of nations
- a greater Judaism in fact - all the separate races and religions
shall disappear."


"Communism, though little discussed now and loitering in hidden
garrets on miserable straw pallets, is the dark hero destined for a
great, if temporary, role in the modern tragedy .... It would be war,
the ghastliest war of destruction .... The second act is the European
and the World Revolution, the great duel between the destitute and the
aristocracy of wealth; and in that there will be no mention of either
nationality or religion; there will be only one fatherland, the globe,
and only one faith, that in happiness on earth ... How could the drama
end?  I do not know; but I think that eventually the great
sea-serpent (Britain) will have its head crushed and the skin of the
Northern Bear (Russia) will be pulled over its ears.  There may be
only one flock and one shepherd - the one free shepherd with an iron
staff, and a shorn-alike, bleating-alike human herd! ... The Gods are
veiling their faces in pity on the children of man, their long-time
charges, and perhaps over their own fate. The future smells of Russian
leather, blood, godlessness, and many whippings. I should advise our
grandchildren to be born with very thick skins on their backs."

-Poet Heinrich Heine, a friend of Karl Marx, who wrote articles for
Marx's newspaper.

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY.  not, as you would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied
through the prejudices and mistakes of the founders, BUT in it's clear
and ideal form, carried forward these two hundred and twenty years and
incorporating all that has been learned in that time."

-Arlin Hypocrite Adams, Marxist Utopian


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 20:18:13 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>AHABIZ wrote:
>> 
>> In article <846172995$29536@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>> writes:
>> 
>> >Or don't you have any of that "white pride" that you claim?
>> 
>> why sure they do Wiz!  every last one of them has the tee shirt!
>> 
>> Arlin Adams
>
>For some reason, a "white pride tee shirt" sounds like some sort of
>laundry detergent ad...
>
>"Ann, how did you get your brown shirts so white?"
>"I used new 'White Pride' with deep-cleaning Aryan enzymes!"
>
>New and improved White Pride: 
>When you have no individual accomplishments to be proud of.
>-- 
>=======================================================================
>Groucho, 
>1st Armoured Humour Division, 
>Marx(ist) Militia
>"The best offense starts by laughing at 'em."
>
>Usenet is so big, and I'm so small. 
>email me if I should actually read your words.
>=======================================================================


 Glad you find the idea of Whites having a sense of self-worth and
working toward self-determination, to be so funny. It is good to know
how one thinks towards my ethnic group so that I can warn others to
stand up for themselves.

 Hate breeds hate.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew)
A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.



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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 20:18:31 GMT, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource) wrote:

>
>In article <846438483$18675@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>All you can do is keep moaning about 
>>"commies", "nazis", etc. Every time I post an article, you goofs
>bail-out.
>
>wrong, I(v)an. Your articles are generally refuted, but you are on record
>as not addressing those refutations in anything other than by assault
>against the posters themselves. Sorry, no matter how many times you try
>the "they ran" lie it falls flat on its face. On the other hand, you kids
>have run from the proof that you actually share the euro-commie philosophy
>of Stalinesque political systems.
>
>>We're discussing the militia, lunk-head, and, most importantly, the 
>>false liberal propaganda which gets promoted within it. 
>
>the militias are "liberal?"   I wish.
>
>>All my posts are related to America, patriotism, and anti-government 
>>philosophy.
>
>if you say so. 
>
>> It's your chief-fools, Arlin, Wizard, etc., who keep dragging the 
>>debates through the gutter of vulgar personal attacks.
>
>Point #1 ... thanks for once again attempting to draft me into the
>militia, but as far as I know, they don't have a draft, it's all
>voluntary.
>
>Point $2 ... in terms of "vulgar personal attacks?" What do you call
>addressing Sheldon as "lunkhead" in the above paragraph? Or a large number
>of your group's other posts including initial ones assaulting Arlins sex?
>A tad hypocritical, aren't you? Assault folks then whine when they respond
>in kind? Rather like the way folks like you were trying to incite black
>riots in St. Petersburg, Florida a few back, isn't it? Say, what is your
>Stalinesque buddy Bok doing down there in Tampa, eh?
>
>Mr. Wizard


Hypocritical?

 You are a known Marxist Socialist type. Arlin has called you such on
many occasions, but here you are, arguing the right along side of him.
To enemies joining together to fight the forces of Nationalism. I
guess it is kind of like WWII when America sided with the most brutal
butchers of all time, the Soviet Union, only to find out that their
friend was no friend at all and gobbled up half of Europe.

 Arlin stated this on 9/20/96

"no you're socialists, we've realized that for quite some time...the
problem is that when you're core belief system is so opposite ours
it's hard to realize you might have ideas that would reach across the
gap."

 Already making friends with America's enemies. You and Arlin make a
good team. We could call you two "The Great Lying Wizo Brothers".

(Best announcers voice)
 
"Come one come all. the great greatest display of hypocracy on Earth"

Best Regards. Write again soon.

Vincent

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Indeed, in cultures which do not stress an individual right of
self-defense, and in which the law abiding citizens have been
disarmed."

"I guess, though, that the question remains then, is how
you would prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs and
moral standards when making socio-political decisions(?)"

"the current owner and executive editor may be ethnicly Jewish, they
may even be very religious people, but so what?"

 -Arlin Hypocrite Adams
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Would the real Arlin please stand up?


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On Sat, 26 Oct 96 16:26:51 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846183805$737@atype.com>, sbrian@micron.net (Brian Smith)
>writes:
>
>>Well, if the Constitution is going to be taken out of context to
>>justify multiracialism then it also has to justify HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS!!
>
>LOL!  Say brianazi - didn't you say you live in a city somewhere?  Did you
>know that RIGHT NOW gay people have the same Constitutional rights as
>everybody else?  That means they live around you, and that you pass them
>every time you walk down the street!  They're all around you, brianazi!
>and you know what else?  except for that screwy black uniform of yours,
>they dress just like you too!  What are you going to do now?  If you
>decide you're only going to deal with other nazis, you'll end up starving
>to death, but if you *don't* restrict yourself to dealing with nazis, and
>instead try to exist in mainstream American society, you'll NEVER KNOW
>whether the person you're interacting with is gay or not!  Oh no!  you
>might have to think!  quick run and ask your masters what to do!
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 So do you allow Homosexuals and perverts into your militia? What
about simple cross-dressers? 

 Bestr Regards, 

Vincent

"We Jews are accused of being destroyers, what ever you put, we tear 
down. It is true only in a relitive sense. We are not iconoclasts 
deliberately, we are not enemies of your institutions simply because 
of the dislike between us. We are a homeless mass seeking satisfaction

for our constructive insticts. And in your institutions we cannot find

satisfaction, they are the play institutions of the splended children 
of man - and not of man himself. We try to adapt your institutions to 
our needs, because while we live we must have expression, and trying 
to rebuild them for our needs, we unbuild them for yours. "

Jewish Author, Maurice Samual 
>From  his book "You Gentiles".



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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 22:33:21 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>
>In article <846387183$16791@atype.com>,
>Hanson   wrote:
>>I agree with  you Sheldon, these people should be banned. I find their
>>diatribes tiresome and time consuming. There are other groups where they
>>can spew their vitriol. Hate has nothing to do with Militia discussions.
>>A month or so back Mark was doing his best to tie the militia movement
>>to the Nazi movement. I suspect he will again in the future, economics,
>>you know. The differences have been made clear. I would welcome a return
>>to discussions as to the validity of the movement.
>
>Prove it.


 Don't worry Mark, proving the things they say is not a strong point
for the online "New" Constitutional (tm) militia types. They just say
something...and it becomes real...to them.

 Best Regards,

Vincent

"It lacks historical perspective as well as any political reality.
The Constitutional Militias, on the other hand, have been and will
continue to be considered, determined, patient where possible, and
most importantly democratic.  We have coerced no one to our cause, nor
shall we do so."

- Arlin Hypocrite Adams, 9/25/96

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur"

	-Arlin H. (hypocrite) Adams, 9/24/96


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 21:19:36 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>LOL!  I guess the universal disrepute in which you nazis stand has finally
>begun to sink in, eh billynazi?  are you scared yet?  When you stop to
>think that every American, from the most Conservative Christian, to the
>most Liberal Pagan, despises everything you stand for do you ever stop to
>ask yourself whether what you're doing might be a mistake?  What would you
>do if you discovered that it *was* a mistake, billynazi?  Would you be
>able to do anything at all?  or is the stranglehold your leaders have upon
>you so complete that you have no hope of ever escaping their grasp?  Do
>you ever try talking to any of your little netnazi buddies about this? 
>oops, I forgot, you can't trust them, can you?  Is there anyone you can
>trust, billynazi?  are you sure about that?
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 Trust? Amazing that a proven lier and hypocrite such as  yourself can
even type such a word.

 Remember Arlin , the National Alliance stands for self-determination
for White American were as you would force us to live under the rule
of other groups, which you have admitted look out for their own
interests.

 The National Alliance also stands for faimilies and people of all
classes, which you stand up for the rights of homo's to teach your
children about "alternative lifestyles". 

 The National Alliance stands against the invasion of our nation from
our southern boarder and every one of our post cities, while you enjoy
the hordes of non-White third world scum and call it "prgress" and
"diversity". 

 The National Alliance stands for the natural aristocracy of life,
while you want to force "equality" to make even the lowest scum equal
to the good and rightious. 

 You, in other words, are the enemy of all that is good and you truly
deserve people like the Maxist-Socialist Wizard and McVay as allies.
Just remember, they will be after you next White man. By the way, you
are White whether you like it or not. Other groups will treat you like
a White no matter how filled with guilt and self hatred you are.

Best Regards, hypocrite.

Vincent
"We Jews are accused of being destroyers, what ever you put, we tear 
down. It is true only in a relitive sense. We are not iconoclasts 
deliberately, we are not enemies of your institutions simply because 
of the dislike between us. We are a homeless mass seeking satisfaction

for our constructive insticts. And in your institutions we cannot find

satisfaction, they are the play institutions of the splended children 
of man - and not of man himself. We try to adapt your institutions to 
our needs, because while we live we must have expression, and trying 
to rebuild them for our needs, we unbuild them for yours. "

Jewish Author, Maurice Samual 
>From  his book "You Gentiles".



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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 22:33:21 GMT, mpitcava@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Mark T Pitcavage) wrote:

>
>In article <846387183$16791@atype.com>,
>Hanson   wrote:
>>I agree with  you Sheldon, these people should be banned. I find their
>>diatribes tiresome and time consuming. There are other groups where they
>>can spew their vitriol. Hate has nothing to do with Militia discussions.
>>A month or so back Mark was doing his best to tie the militia movement
>>to the Nazi movement. I suspect he will again in the future, economics,
>>you know. The differences have been made clear. I would welcome a return
>>to discussions as to the validity of the movement.
>
>Prove it.


 Don't worry Mark, proving the things they say is not a strong point
for the online "New" Constitutional (tm) militia types. They just say
something...and it becomes real...to them.

 Best Regards,

Vincent

"It lacks historical perspective as well as any political reality.
The Constitutional Militias, on the other hand, have been and will
continue to be considered, determined, patient where possible, and
most importantly democratic.  We have coerced no one to our cause, nor
shall we do so."

- Arlin Hypocrite Adams, 9/25/96

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur"

	-Arlin H. (hypocrite) Adams, 9/24/96


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 9:18:06 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
Medintz) wrote:

>
>Whilst completely naked, AHABIZ said unto us:
>
>>[Translation:  ooops, almost forgot to get in a slur about some connection
>>to an antinazi group!  cheez, ianazi - everytime we make remarks about how
>>much money Arlin must be making all of the militia people fall over
>>laughing - do you know why that is?]
>
>Dammit, Arlin, billynazi is wrong. I'm not laughing. My paycheck from the
>Catholics and the jooz and the NWO is late again.
>
>--
>Mike S. Medintz | http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~medintz | KB9ODS
>Member, NRA, ACLU, EFF, ARRL, Sierra Club of Kansas
>Dream back the Bison, Sing back the Swan


Medintz? Sounds jooish. One of the boys?

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. 
Nothing that you will do will meet our demands. We will forever
destroy because we need a world of our own, a God world, which is NOT
in your  nature to build." 

Jewish Author, Maurice Samual 
>From  his book "You Gentiles".


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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 20:49:01 GMT, BurningMan@The.Door (The Burning Man)
wrote:

>
>
>   McKinney, the militia folks here do not accept the major media
>propaganda that continues to try (unsuccessfully) to connect
>the Militia to White Supremecists and Nazis.
>
>At this point, one begins to question your motivations for the
>rapid fire of racist, White Supremecist, neo-Nazi postings
>into this UseNet group. Perhaps it isn't just a fun hobby of
>yours.
>
>Care to enlighten us why you are doing everything you can
>to make an association to people who want nothing to do
>with you, your ideas, your opinions or your beliefs, if they
>have anything whatsoever to do with racism, fascism or
>bigotry.
>
>Stay here, and take a beating. You are either enjoying the
>pain, or being compensated to make up for it.
>
>

 On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
as well as many others.

 Since I have been working with militia members over the last few
years, I have found that the leadership of most militias are the ones
who have cause the hostility here. In their attempt to distance
themselves from race, they have lost any clear philosophical basis for
their involvement. This is exactly what happens when leaders become
politicians and forget the meaning of truth and honour. 

 These new fangled militia leaders have risen to prominence through
their promises of mainstream support. This has made their numbers grow
in some respects, but the quality and dedication of new members is way
down. I have seen this all before. It happens to all groups when they
begin to play the media game. You can't out Jew the Jews. Ask the John
Birch Society, which tried the same tactic in the early 60's but now
has hardly grown since. Their greatest time was when the appealed to
honest White men and women with truth and ideals.

 The National Alliance is not at all what these criminally dishonest
so-called patriots have tried to portray. The National Alliance is
about self-determination for the people of Europe here in America and
all over the world. The NA stand for an end to forced integration; and
end to non-European immigration and a peaceful resolution which will
allow all parties to find their own destinies. Every group needs to
govern their own affairs and Whites are no different. Self
determination and self respect for Whites and a chance to start
working toward being the best that we can be as a people, is this
evil? If this was being said about any other ethnic group no one would
complain. Whites are not allowed to feel solidarity and want
self-determination. It is obvios that those in the leadership of the
militia's present here do not want this either. They are aiding and
supporting the forces which are destroying this country and our people
around the world. It is time for a change, and the National Alliance
has is leading this change.

 If many here would simply drop their hatreds and guilt and think for
once as a member of the White race, what the National Alliance is
working toward would be an obvious and much needed organization to
join. But since many refuse to accept the fact that they are White and
no matter how guilty they feal or no matter how much the work they do
against what the perceive to be "nazism", other races still see them
as Whites and they will be treated like Whites whether they like it or
not. Being White means that you are part of a greater family and with
that comes a group responsibility to ensure the future of our people. 

 I am only a member, I do not speak for the National Alliance, but I
can tell you that if you listened to a few radio programs at
http://www.natvan.com/radio/radio.html and simply looked at what we
are saying, you would see that we stand for what is right and  what is
natural.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We can have peace and security only so long as we band together to
preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European
blood."

 -- Col. Charles A. Lindbergh


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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 20:34:43 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <845919183$29870@atype.com>, mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney)
>writes:
>
>>In message <845859783$25681@atype.com> - brs1478@aol.com (BRS 1478)
>writes:
>
>first off, if you guys want to talk to each other, why don't you do it in
>alt.politics.whitepower, or whatever...you know one of your *own*
>newsgroups.  That being said.
>
>>What amazes me, is that Arlin and his cheering section, never read books
>>like Col. Beaty's book "Iron Curtain Over America." I suppose they would say
>>that Beaty was a Commie, 
>
>no, I'd say he was an alarmist with a poorly developed understanding of
>American society...hey, if you like those guys, try going to a John Birch
>society meeting sometime and stand toward the back...

 Why, so you could see what the enemies of Socialism look like? Maybe
you could bring your Marxist friend Wiz with you? 

>>although he was high-up in U.S. military intelligence 
>>during WW2, in addition to having a Ph.D. in History from Columbia 
>>University and writing numerous well recieved history books.
>
>Any of our resident history buffs here on the newsgroup ever hear of this
>guy??  I sure haven't!

This doesn;t suprise me.

>>No, all that means nothing to these clowns. I doesn't matter that Beaty
>>had access to all kinds of highly classified information, and would doubtless
>>had access to much background information on the subterranean activities of 
>>various groups and persons.
>
>sorry to pop your baloon, kid, but *I* used to have access to exactly the
>same types of information...so what?  none of your giant conspiracy
>theories, Jewish or otherwise were born out by anything I ever saw.

That is because your the enemy, remember?

>>This is the problem when dealing with this kind of mentality. It's due to
>brainwashing: mention Jews, and their antennae go up to see if you're
>>going to say something pro or con, 
>
>no kid, if you mention any ethnic group and then proceed to spew forth
>unfounded stereotypes we'll jump all over your case...doesn't matter which
>ethnic group it happens to be.  Welcome to the United States....

Hypocrite!

On 9/19/96 you stated this:

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens. "

Hypocrite. Lier.

>>I have noticed that they are scrupulous in their avoidance of factual 
>>arguments when it comes to disproportionate Jewish control of the media,
>
>GONG!  you've missed the point again kid - ethnicity is meaningless.

Hypocrite! In the same post on 9/19/96 you stated this:

"Yes, true enough, I guess, though, that the question remains then, is
how you would prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs
and moral standards when making socio-political decisions"

You obviously know the meaning and point. Hypocrite. Lier.

>> discussions on the anti-gentile statements taken from the Jewish Talmud.
>
>
>you haven't presented any such statements - all you've put forward were
>copies of 400 year old antisemitic forgeries...get real ian - we don't
>debate forgeries here, we function on factual information.

 Wrong. I have stated that all definitions presented are from the
Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel and all
quotes are based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of 
the Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. 

 More of the same dishonesty that makes you famous. Lier.

>>They will say anything except discuss rationally, or 
>>counter with facts, any topic that relates to Jews.
>
>you have been countered with facts on every issue you have raised which
>might have had a factual basis.  In those cases where you have fabricated
>issues out of racist misinformation you've been informed that no issue
>existed.  You have no case.

Adhominem, name-calling based responses are not facts. You have
dismissed everything presented as "fabricated", and when shown to be
correct you simply ignore the post or use adhominems.

A typical example was the Lincoln quotes. After it was shown that they
were correct what was your response?

"frank what you seem to have missed was the point that it doesn't
matter whether Lincoln made racist remarks or not"

Hypocrite. Lier.

>[racist diatribe truncated to reduce nausea]
>
>hey guys - There's a book you need to have someone read to you...it's
>entitled : DACHAU - HOUR OF THE AVENGER.  Find out what happens when all
>of those populist types you keep trying to manipulate really find out what
>your plans are...do you a world of good even if you wont like it.
>
>Arlin H. Adams

Threats and intimidation are not an argument either. You are a
hypocritical fool.

Best Regards,

Vincent

>From  the Jewish World of February 9, 1883 we read:

"The great ideal of Judaism is that the whole world shall be imbued
with Jewish teachings, and that in a universal brotherhood of nations
- a greater Judaism in fact - all the separate races and religions
shall disappear."


"Communism, though little discussed now and loitering in hidden
garrets on miserable straw pallets, is the dark hero destined for a
great, if temporary, role in the modern tragedy .... It would be war,
the ghastliest war of destruction .... The second act is the European
and the World Revolution, the great duel between the destitute and the
aristocracy of wealth; and in that there will be no mention of either
nationality or religion; there will be only one fatherland, the globe,
and only one faith, that in happiness on earth ... How could the drama
end?  I do not know; but I think that eventually the great
sea-serpent (Britain) will have its head crushed and the skin of the
Northern Bear (Russia) will be pulled over its ears.  There may be
only one flock and one shepherd - the one free shepherd with an iron
staff, and a shorn-alike, bleating-alike human herd! ... The Gods are
veiling their faces in pity on the children of man, their long-time
charges, and perhaps over their own fate. The future smells of Russian
leather, blood, godlessness, and many whippings. I should advise our
grandchildren to be born with very thick skins on their backs."

-Poet Heinrich Heine, a friend of Karl Marx, who wrote articles for
Marx's newspaper.

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY.  not, as you would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied
through the prejudices and mistakes of the founders, BUT in it's clear
and ideal form, carried forward these two hundred and twenty years and
incorporating all that has been learned in that time."

-Arlin Hypocrite Adams, Marxist Utopian


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From: AHABIZ@aol.com
To: thebok@dreamon.com
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Subject: Re: Spotlight on McKinney: No Nazis or Racists welcome here !

In article <846540240$25596@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
writes:
>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.

>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  
>While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, 
>a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, 
>and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say 
>what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you 
>would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves 
>only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* 
>warning you are likely to receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 It seems that Arlin and his band of Neo-Marxist "New" 
Constitutional (tm) leader types have finally realized that they they
are defeated. Again, this is the end result of having politicians for
leaders and not men of honour. I wish I could say differently. I never
thought I would see the day when so-called milita leaders like Arlin
would lie about their beliefs and sided with Marxist Socialist types
like Wiz like a bunch of media whores. It is truly a shame to see
these so-called leaders having more in common with the openly Marxist
types than with traditional Nationalists. It shows the depths that the
militia leadership has sunk to in their quest for a "mainstream"
membership. They have thrown all sense of honour over-board and have
begun to play the media game.

 I wanted to post your letter Arlin for all to see. Your ideas are
either lies or are failures and your leading your own people into this
failure with you. Threats are the only weapon you have left.
 
 What I said above is fact. You are purposely leading people to
believe that Whites in the milita have no racial motivations. As I
stated before, I know many milita men and they are as racially
patriotic as I am. Feelings of racial pride and solidarity are a
natural part of a healthy persons make up. Wanting self-determination
for your own people and the willingness to fight fot these ideas are
one of the main reasons people join the militas. 

 I have stated before that these new milita leaders who are selling
out for the camera are helping membership in the National Alliance,
but in all reality, the National Alliance is the logic step for people
who understand that race and nation are one. We are the future and
Arlin knows it.

  Are militia men going to fight to preserve the gettoes that we pay
for with our tax dollars? Do you think the militias are going to fight
to preserve our virtually open boarder to the South so that Mexicans
can invade our Southern States and displace White Americans? Do you
think the militias are going to fight to preserve the Jewish ownership
of the midea which has been pushing anti-Americanism and teaching
White children to feel guily for being White? Are militia men going to
fight to preserve our failed justice and education systems, where
politics by riot and special privilige prevail? Will militia men fight
to preserve the re-writing of American history to fit the new
multi-cultural agenda? In short, will they fight for the one race, one
nation, boarderless utopia that Arlin has been pushing which are the
end result of his ideas or will they fight for self determination? 

 Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer.
It's time to start taking America back now!

http://www.natvan.com


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On Sun, 27 Oct 96 20:48:30 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846438491$18689@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> Once again, Arlin puffs up his chest and I knock the wind out of him.
>>(A daily ritual.) We are not members of the Aryan Nations, nor do we
>>know what the Aryan Nations are involved in.
>
>I guess when all of the notional appliance headquarters phone records are
>subpoenaed for the OKC civil trial, we'll see just who you do and don't
>talk to, wont we?
>
>Arlin H. Adams


Guess so. By the way, slander will get you no where.


Best Regards,

Vincent

""We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of

their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 5:03:24 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>my goodness, billynazi, you've been reading my back posts in
>dejanews...better be careful, Libertarianism is catchy, and your masters
>wont like it much once you catch it...oh, no, they wont like THAT at all!

 Libertarianism is a sickness. A more palitable Marxist dream world.

>In article <846464593$21185@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>>[translation: doggone it these militia guys keep quoting the REAL
>>>Constitution...gotta do something about that!  when we nazis have all
>>>the guns and all the money and all the power, we'll get rid of that stupid
>>>piece of paper and then the Constituon will be whatever we say it is.]
>>
>> Why lie about your intent? Would the real Arlin please stand up? You
>>have been lying and purposely misrepresenting yourself on this sub.
>
>LOL! Let's try this again, billynazi - you claimed that I 'worship a piece
>of paper' because I defend the Constitution.  Which of course means that
>you are fearful of the fact that I, and all members of the Constitutional
>Militias are in fact sworn to preserve, protect and defend the
>Constitution against all enemies, foriegn or domestic (you fall in the
>latter category).  When you vainly attempted to twist the meaning of the
>Constitution in a sad attempt to justify your racism, I called you on it. 
>It's that simple.  

 No, what I said was:

" What Arlin's problem seems to be is a lack of respect for the intent
of the Constitution and a narrow-minded obsession with a piece of
paper in the National Achives. 

 Following Arlin's logic, if a new amendment  passes which took away
rights, he would follow it and defend it. What if the Amendment struck
down the Bill of Rights? "

 Which of course, you did not answer. It is the intent of the
Constitution, not after-market add ons written by traitors. You
yourself stated:

""We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of

their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
TODAY.  not, as you would attempt to misinterpret, as it applied
through the prejudices and mistakes of the founders, BUT in it's clear
and ideal form, carried forward these two hundred and twenty years and
incorporating all that has been learned in that time."

 In short, you intend to interpret the Constitution to fit into your
Mulit-Racial gloabal utopia. 

>Oh, and pulling a decontextualized quote out of one of the previous
>debates on libertarianism was extremely disingenious, in that you didn't
>read enough of the thread you pulled it from.  You see if you *had* read
>all of it, you would have found that I stated, at least twice, that it
>will take at least one to two generations AFTER this country moves back to
>a strict Constitutionalist government before this country will be ready to
>move toward more libertarian forms.  I've stated that position repeatedly,
>as might also be seen if you'd bothered to read any of the debates I've
>had with the anarcho-libertarians here on the newsgroup. 

 I have read every message you have ever posted. Additionally, I have
all of them saved and cataloged. I have reviewed again all the message
threads in question and found you AGAIN to be a lier. 

 Your positions change with who you are talikng to . It is very easy
to show your inconsistencies. You are simply inconsistent by nature it
seems, which is a nice way of stating again that you are a lier.

>Ah well, if nothing else, this once again demonstrates the shoddy level of
>research normally practiced by you and your fellow nazis.  I realize such
>is acceptable in your own circles, but it most decidedly is NOT going to
>pass muster around here.  We hold ourselves to higher standards...of
>course you've probably noticed that already.

 Point one: false. I have completely reviewed your debate and I stand
by my statements of fact.

 I doubt we will ever adopt your style of hypocritical lying and
endorsement of all forms of perversions. Wallow in your pit by
yourself.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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On Tue, 29 Oct 96 10:33:19 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846541270$25719@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> Trust? Amazing that a proven lier and hypocrite such as  yourself can
>>even type such a word.
>
>LOL! still haven't seen the explanation I posted, have you?  (I can tell
>by your spelling - you'll see why when you read the post) .  You see,
>billynazi, your attempts at slandering me don't work, because in order to
>be able to slander someone, you first must have credibility with your
>audience...which is something you do NOT have in this newsgroup.  

 I have read your post and return one of my own. Since I have posted
the facts of your media whoring ideals, slander is a word which you
cannot use. 

 I have no creditability? Maybe in your pat-each-other-on-the-back
sessions, but if recruitment and positive e-mails are a determining
factor, I'd say I am doing just fine...thank you.

>> Remember Arlin , the National Alliance stands for self-determination
>>for White Americans
>
>no, it doesn't billynazi, that's just a lie you tell to recruit people. 
>It is really a tightly organized heirarchy in which all power rests in a
>very undemocratic fashion on the extremely unstable shoulders of weird
>willie pierce.  You need to realize another factor as well, billynazi, and
>that is that there are only *Americans* here - we in the Constitutional
>Militias are colorblind on the issue of race.  That really gauls you
>doesn't it?  

 Democratic? Didn't you say:

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur(?)"

 Stop using words that you don't believe in...hypocrite.

  When America is majority non-White in about 25 years, Whites won't
be able to vote another White in for dog-catcher. This will lead to
other groups determining our destiny. 
 
 Your beloved "democracy" is just a weapon to destroy America and
replace its owners.

 If you are interested in what the National Alliance believes and what
kind of government it representes, simply go to
http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/na2.html#responsible

>> were as you would force us to live under the rule
>>of other groups, which you have admitted look out for their own
>>interests.
>
>no, no, billynazi, you'll not get away with twisting an out of context
>quote like that.  You really need to get someone to read that explanation
>to you - you're making an even bigger fool out of yourself than usual -
>difficult though that is for many of us to believe....

 You stated:

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens. " 

 Again, you are a lier and a hypocrite. The outcoem of your
multi-Culteral social experiment will lead to a non-White majoiry in
America. This majority will assert itself and create a culture and a
government to meet their needs. Each competing group will end up
fighting over how much of the pie each one gets and soon, we will have
a Bosnia right here in the good ol' US of A.

>> The National Alliance also stands for faimilies and people of all
>>classes,
>
>ooh, Wiz's observations about the marxist rhetoric are forcing you to
>improvise...I'm impressed.  Unfortunately, billynazi, you are lying there
>as well - as can be demonstrated by the fact that, just like a religious
>cult, you force your membership to 'donate' to weird willie pierce.  BTW,
>does weird willie have as many wives as David Koresh did, yet?  or don't
>they tell you about that sort of thing?

 Adhominem.

 Donations are to the National Alliance and not to Dr. Pierce. The
National Alliance maintains a world wide radio network for American
Dissident Voices, which you can hear online at
http://www.natvan.com/radio/radio.html, as well as hundreds of other
outreach programs. 

 
>> which you stand up for the rights of homo's to teach your
>>children about "alternative lifestyles". 
>
>so, looks like either the bot still doesn't have all the bugs out of it,
>or you're allowing your cuban adviser to write the posts on his own
>again...

 My statement is a logical continuation of your beliefs. 

>> The National Alliance stands against the invasion of our nation from
>>our southern boarder and every one of our post cities, 
>
>well, if you have post cities, do you have ante cities as well?  (that's
>an intellectual joke on you, billynazi, I don't really expect you to
>understand it....)

 Actually, the word was "port", please excuse the mistake. The
remainder of your message is argumentative adhominem.

>>while you enjoy
>>the hordes of non-White third world scum and call it "prgress" and
>>"diversity". 
>
>I think I can honestly say I have never called anything "prgress" in my
>life!  LOL!

 Again, the word is "progress". My statement stands. 

 You and your Neo-Marxist Militia leaders seem to enjoy the third
worlding of America. While we call it treason, you call it "progress".


>> The National Alliance stands for the natural aristocracy of life,
>
>*ahem* I *think* you're saying that your really elitists, which is an
>important admission on your part if you are saying that - but with that
>particular sentence it's kind of hard to tell.

 There is a distinct difference between all groups and individuals in
each group. Equality does not exist. 

 In the statement of our beliefs called "What is the National
Alliance," you can find the following:

"The Law of Inequality

Our world is hierarchical. Each of us is a member of the Aryan (or
European) race, which, like the other races, developed its special
characteristics over many thousands of years during which natural
selection not only adapted it to its environment but also advanced it
along its evolutionary path. Those races which evolved in the more
demanding environment of the North, where surviving a winter required
planning and self-discipline, advanced more rapidly in the development
of the higher mental faculties -- including the abilities to
conceptualize, to solve problems, to plan for the future, and to
postpone gratification -- than those which remained in the relatively
unvarying climate of the tropics. Consequently, the races vary today
in their capabilities to build and to sustain a civilized society and,
more generally, in their abilities to lend a conscious hand to Nature
in the task of evolution.
Furthermore, just as the races may be ordered according to their
levels of development, so may the individuals within a race. Some are
better able to understand the world around them than others; some are
more creative; some have better self-discipline or a stronger will;
some have a more highly developed sense of responsibility. In a
well-ordered society these differences will be reflected in varying
degrees of influence or control over the course of the society being
exercised by the various members of the society, according to their
varying individual qualities.
In contrast to our view is that of the egalitarians, who believe that
the differences in the levels of civilization of the different races
and the differences in the social positions of individuals in our
society are purely circumstantial and can be changed easily by
changing the circumstances: e.g., the level of civilization in Black
Africa can be brought up to the European level and kept there by
providing economic and technical aid to make up for past "injustices,"
such as colonialism; and any individual can fill any position in
society if he is given certain "advantages," such as good schools and
a good home environment. Differences in attainment, standard of
living, and degree of social influence, among races and among
individuals, are therefore unnatural and unjust and should be done
away with, according to the egalitarians."

>>while you want to force "equality" to make even the lowest scum equal
>>to the good and rightious. 
>
>sometime when you are more able to conjugate verbs we might discuss the
>libertarian principle of inalienable rights, though for the present I'd
>hesitate to even ask you to spell it.

Adhominem.

 There are no "inalienable rights". Any criminal can point a gun in
your face and alienate your so-called "rights". The only rights you
have are the one which you are willing to back up with force.   

 Libertarians like yourself, live in a fantasy world, in which all
people respect the rights of others and live together in harmony. The
inherent flaw in Libertarian thinking is Human Nature...remember that?


>> You, in other words, are the enemy of all that is good
>
>no, I'm the enemy of racist elitism...and I'm still more aryan than you
>are, which is what *really* torques you off....

 And we are the enemy of multi-culturalist genocide against all
groups. We favor self-determination for ALL groups, while you would
prefer to force diverse groups to live together. This will lead to
either the collective destruction of the genetic and cultural heritage
of the groups, or a civil war between groups competing for power. i.e.
Bosnia.

 As I said, you are the enemy of all that is good and natural.
 
>> and you truly
>>deserve people like the Maxist-Socialist Wizard and McVay as allies.
>
>thankyou!  Although I can also honestly say that I've never called Wiz a
>"Maxist", either.

 No, thank you! Siding with such utter scum help others see you more
clearly. 

Socialist maybe?

"no you're socialists, we've realized that for quite some time."

Remember that one?

>>Just remember, they will be after you next White man. 
>
>no, no, billynazi, you get to keep *that* paranoia all to yourself.

 Ok.

>>By the way, you are White whether you like it or not.
>
>oh, not just "white" billynazi - I'm *aryan* - and I bet you lay awake at
>night wishing you were too!  Which is one of the differences between you
>and I, since the only reason I pay attention to that sort of thing is to
>bait netnazis with it. 

 Hmmm. For a man who has never seen me you sure do come to big
conclusions. But, then again, that's Arlin.

>> Other groups will treat you like
>>a White no matter how filled with guilt and self hatred you are.
>
>actually most folks treat me like an American...but then I don't wear a
>funny uniform everywhere, and look crosseyed at anybody with a tan, like
>you notional appliance types....
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Adhominem.

 There are no uniforms in the National Alliance. I suppose this is
another one of your Neo-Nazi fantasies you got from watching to much
TV. 

 Still that fact remains that you are White and other groups will
treat you like a White. 

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew)
A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 22:49:50 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846496983$23051@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>>all of them made it over to the AOL nntp server the first time
>>>around...if you're using that little server at alpha.org to read your newsgroups,
>>>you might want to check - it's run by racists and they have funny ideas
>>>about censorship...
>>
>> I expected some kind of adhominem response. 
>
>oh, but that was a statement of *fact* billynazi - alpha.org *is* run by
>racists and they *do* censor what they allow on their server - in fact
>they BRAG about it...truth hurts, eh?  BTW, what's your shoe size, and
>where were you between 13 and 15 April 1995?
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Using a little editorial controll yourself Arlin? What I said was:

"I expected some kind of adhominem response. I expect nothing less
>from  a lying hypocrite like yourself. "

 Also, I don't know who AlphaNet is and as far as I know they are not
affiliated with the National Alliance. 

 I guess if you are using the ADL's server Arlin, you probably have a
state of the art connection.

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America."

"Most of the nations problems are based on three issues: size,
diversity, and human nature.  This country is really too big, made up
of too many groups with conflicting value sets, and most of all made
up of people who are far too human to ever be able to institute
national policies which accurately reflect the needs, desires, goals,
and beliefs of all of it's citizens."

 -The shifting sands of Arlin's posts.  


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From: AHABIZ@aol.com
To: thebok@dreamon.com
cc: Mo10Cav@aol.com
Subject: Re: Spotlight on McKinney: No Nazis or Racists welcome here !

In article <846540240$25596@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
writes:
>> On the contrary, we represent a larger majority of actual militia
>>member opinion on subject such as race, immigration, the Constitution
>>as well as many others.

>I will say this only once.  You do NOT want to play this game.  
>While I understand you are merely hot air and hyperbole, 
>a number of our units who monitor this newsgroup do not, 
>and they WILL take offense at your words.  I cannot say 
>what their actions may or may not be at that point, but you 
>would do well to not assume that they would limit themselves 
>only to the internet. Consider this fair warning, for it is the *only* 
>warning you are likely to receive.
>
>Arlin H. Adams


 It seems that Arlin and his band of Neo-Marxist "New" 
Constitutional (tm) leader types have finally realized that they they
are defeated. Again, this is the end result of having politicians for
leaders and not men of honour. I wish I could say differently. I never
thought I would see the day when so-called milita leaders like Arlin
would lie about their beliefs and sided with Marxist Socialist types
like Wiz like a bunch of media whores. It is truly a shame to see
these so-called leaders having more in common with the openly Marxist
types than with traditional Nationalists. It shows the depths that the
militia leadership has sunk to in their quest for a "mainstream"
membership. They have thrown all sense of honour over-board and have
begun to play the media game.

 I wanted to post your letter Arlin for all to see. Your ideas are
either lies or are failures and your leading your own people into this
failure with you. Threats are the only weapon you have left.
 
 What I said above is fact. You are purposely leading people to
believe that Whites in the milita have no racial motivations. As I
stated before, I know many milita men and they are as racially
patriotic as I am. Feelings of racial pride and solidarity are a
natural part of a healthy persons make up. Wanting self-determination
for your own people and the willingness to fight fot these ideas are
one of the main reasons people join the militas. 

 I have stated before that these new milita leaders who are selling
out for the camera are helping membership in the National Alliance,
but in all reality, the National Alliance is the logic step for people
who understand that race and nation are one. We are the future and
Arlin knows it.

  Are militia men going to fight to preserve the gettoes that we pay
for with our tax dollars? Do you think the militias are going to fight
to preserve our virtually open boarder to the South so that Mexicans
can invade our Southern States and displace White Americans? Do you
think the militias are going to fight to preserve the Jewish ownership
of the midea which has been pushing anti-Americanism and teaching
White children to feel guily for being White? Are militia men going to
fight to preserve our failed justice and education systems, where
politics by riot and special privilige prevail? Will militia men fight
to preserve the re-writing of American history to fit the new
multi-cultural agenda? In short, will they fight for the one race, one
nation, boarderless utopia that Arlin has been pushing which are the
end result of his ideas or will they fight for self determination? 

 Nationalism, represented by the National Alliance is the only answer.
It's time to start taking America back now!

http://www.natvan.com


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 22:49:08 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846496998$23079@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> Once again, Arlin puffs up his chest and I knock the wind out of him.
>>(A daily ritual.)
>
>ROFLMAO!  ain't happened yet, billynazi, although if you're telling your
>masters this sort of nonsense, you'd best remember that they also read
>this newsgroup...what will they do when they catch you lying like this
>billynazi?  do you enjoy it when they do that?

  You have proven to be a lier and a hypocrite, your statements are
meanless and adhominem.

>> We are not members of the Aryan Nations, nor do we
>>know what the Aryan Nations are involved in. you are so blinded with
>>hatred that you cannot discern reality anymore.
>
>a.  when all of the notional appliance phone records become public
>knowledge in the OKC civil trial, we'll get to see just who you do talk to
>now, wont we?

Guess so. By the way, slander will get you no where.

>b.  are you saying that you see the aberrant notions as competition?  my,
>my, how interesting...do *they* know that?  (hint, if they didn't before,
>they do now - they monitor this newsgroup too)

 Adhominem. We are not the Aryan Nations therefor we are not the Aryan
Nations. Simple logic.


>
>> I actually thought that Brian comments were telling. I wonder if you
>>mentioned to your 3 man Marxist-Militia that the ideals you support
>>endorse homosexuality and perversion? You have clearl;y stated that
>>you:
>>
>>"We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of 
>>their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
>>this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America.  Most
>>importantly, we support the Constitution as it applies to the world
>>TODAY."
>>
>> This means that homosexuals and pervert of all makes and models are
>>considered normal America citizens.
>
>my goodness the concept of gay militia members really *frightens* you
>doesn't it?  Certainly there are some gay members in our more libertarian
>oriented units, as well as several single gender independent gay units. 
>I've already made a note to start using more gay people for field
>interrogation, where they are available - the psychological advantage they
>should have in dealing with you nazis will give them considerable
>leverage.  How does that make you feel billynazi?

 No, it shows how much of a freak you are. Your ideals are completely
morally bankrupt. The concept of homosexuality is abhorrent to normal
White families and by siding yourself with the freaks and degenrates
of the world you show your endorsement of the very things that are
destoying America. 

 The Paragraph above will be saved and diplayed where appropriate

>> What about people who like to dress as women while being
>>spanked by midgets wearing strap on's while on the backs of women
>>fresh from the abortion clinic and wearing Nation of Islam pins? 
>
>no, I'm happy to say that you nazis have the corner on that sort - but
>don't worry, if we do run into any, we'll send them right on over to you.

 Adhominem. The National Alliance stands for traditional family
values. It has nothing to do with homosexuals, abortion rights or any
other freakish perversion let loose by morally bankrupt diversity
forcers like yourself.

 Additionally, you have again shown yourself to be a hypocrite. You
stated:

" We are COMMANDED to treat all people as equal...if you own a Bible,
you might check out Luke 10: 25-37"

 If you are to treat ALL people as equal, then the freak listed above
should be accepted. You are a lier and a hypocrite. If you truly
beleive what you say (which I doubt) then every single thing which can
nominally be classified as "human" must be treated the same way.

Hypocrite. Lier.

>> What about Satanists? Do you and the others in your little group
>>allow Satanists to become members? 
>
>funny thing, billynazi, but *your* side seems to have a corner on *those*
>as well.  Look to your leadership, billynazi, look to your leadership.

 Adhominem. The National Alliance has nothing to do with "Satanism".
You attempt divert attention from the question is telling.

 Answer the question, will you allow Satanists to become members of
YOUR multi-Cultural group of homo's, non-Whites and Marxist types,
otherwise know as the "New" Constitutional (tm) Militia. 

>>What will the Christians say?
>>Remember, you stated "We acknowledge and support the equality of all
>>people, regardless of their skin color, RELIGION, gender, or ethnic
>>heritage; and in doing this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity
>>which is America."
>
>They will say what they always say when the perceive the direct linkage
>between nazism and the worship of dark forces - "we knew it all along".
>
>Arlin H. Adams

 Adhominem. You did not answer the question and therefor are a coward.
What a shame it is to have such a lowely degenerate like yourself in
charge of good honest White men. If only they knew or understood that
it the ideas whch you follow which have been destroying America. I'm
sure that one day they will find out and then I hope you reap what you
sow.

 Do me a favor Arlin, send the National Alliance all your racist,
homophobic, anti-abortion, nationalistic, intolerant members. They
will feel right at home among us normal, healthy Americans.

Best Regards....hypocrite.

Vincent



"Yes, true enough, I guess, though, that the question remains then, is
how you would prevent people from exercising their religious beliefs
and moral standards when making socio-political decisions"

"..the current owner and executive editor may be ethnicly Jewish, they
may even be very religious people, but so what?"

 -From "Confessions of a hypocrite" the new best seller from Arlin
Hypocrite Adams.


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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 22:48:35 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:

>
>In article <846496990$23065@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Oct 96 2:48:03 GMT, ahabiz@aol.com (AHABIZ) wrote:
>
>>>In article <846352089$14021@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>>>writes:
>
>>>> What Arlin's problem seems to be is a lack of respect for the intent
>>>>of the Constitution and a narrow-minded obsession with a piece of
>>>>paper in the National Achives. 
>>>
>>>[translation: doggone it these militia guys keep quoting the REAL
>>>Constitution...gotta do something about that!  when we nazis have all
>>>the guns and all the money and all the power, we'll get rid of that stupid
>>>piece of paper and then the Constituon will be whatever we say it is.]
>>
>> Why lie about your intent? 
>
>I don't - you simply have to read and comprehend *everything* I
>write...something that appears to be beyond the intellectual capacity of
>even the 'brightest' (using that term loosely) nazi.

So this:

"[translation: doggone it these militia guys keep quoting the REAL
Constitution...gotta do something about that!  when we nazis have all
the guns and all the money and all the power, we'll get rid of that
stupid piece of paper and then the Constituon will be whatever we say
it is.]"

 ...is and example of your higher "intellectual capacity"? I bet you
didn't even realize that by infering that you had a "higher
intellectual capacity" you are support the the notion that some people
are inherently NOT equal. 

You stated this:

"We are COMMANDED to treat all people as equal...if you own a Bible,
you might check out Luke 10: 25-37"

and

""We acknowledge and support the equality of all people, regardless of

their skin color, religion, gender, or ethnic heritage; and in doing 
this, we support, and celebrate, the diversity which is America." 
 
 You are a hypocrite. 

 When a leader chooses his beliefs by virtue of public opinion and not
a set philosophy you have politician. Arlin is a prime example of this
sad phenomenim. Arlin said it best:

"Uh, Wiz, it is an unfortunate tendency of a democracy to allow a
tyranny of the majority to occur(?)"

>>Would the real Arlin please stand up?
>
>I am here, exactly where I've always been.  It's your frenetic dodging
>that gives me the appearance of movement in your eyes.

 Dodging? Getting you to answer a question without lying is like
trying to shoot a squirl at 500 yards in a moving truck on a dirt
raod. You sir, are a hypocrite and a lier. 

>> You have been lying and purposely misrepresenting yourself on this sub.
>
>no, billynazi, you see lack of comprehension on your part does *not*
>constitute obfuscation on my part (it does, however, make you look silly -
>but you do that to yourself anyway).

 Adhominem. I have shown using your own words that your so-called
"ideals" are like the shifting sands. This is the end result of basing
ones positions on public opinion and not on fact.

 Hypocrite.

>>For what reason, I can only imagine. Your a hypocrite and worse that
>>that, you side with your socialist pal Wizard while attacking us. 
>
>no, no, billynazi, you misinterpret - the entire human race bands together
>to revile your racism - ALL of us loath you billynazi - every last normal
>human being.  None of the vast differences which seperate the rest of us
>even come close to comparing to the enormous gulf which seperates all of
>humanity from you and your fellow nazis.  You are evil in the eyes of us
>all, billynazi - always have been and always will be.

 Adhominem. All people on Earth stand up for their racial or ethnic
groups. The National Alliance is the voice of White men and women
around the world. Nationalism and racial solidarity are a natural and
healthy part of a person, as opposed to those who would oppose
self-determination. Self hatred and worse, working against your own
group show a deep psychological defect.

 Opposing the natural seperation of the races and attempting to
destroy the differences that Nature created, goes against all things
that are right and just in this world. The end result of your
so-called "beliefs" will be more war and more hatred, as diverse
groups working for their own interests clash for power in your new
global Utopia. By opposing you and your Marxist Utopian kind, I am
working for something much greater that just an organization, I am
working for the laws of Nature. If there is truly evil in the world,
look in your mirror Arlin...and it will be looking at you.


 Your a hypocrite and a lier.

Best Regards

Vincent



 From the book "The Other Side Of Deception" p.188
by Victor Ostrovsky (former Jewish MOSSAD agent for Israel)

 "During that time, Uri was the intelligence officer for the
paratrooper battalion stationed in the Giftlick, and I was the
commander of the military police post on the base.
 At that time, chasing Palestinians who infiltrated the border to
carry out acts of sabotage was almost a daily occurence. Most of the
time the infiltrators would be killed during the chase or in short
skirmishes in the parched desert. There were cases, however, in which
the terrorist would be captured alive; nevertheless, most of the time,
even if they were taken alive, they'd be announced as dead over the
radio so no one would await their return.
That is where I would come in as a military police officer; my job was
to take the prisoners to a holding facility in Nes Ziyyona, a small
town of Tel Aviv. I'd always assumed that it was an interrogation
facility for the Shaback. We all knew that a prisoner brought there
would probably never get out alive, but brainwashing we'd gone through
in our short lifetimes had convinced us it was them or us; there was
no gray area.
 It was Uri who enlightened me regarding the Nes Ziyyona facility. It
was, he said, an ABC warfare laboratory - ABC standing for atomic,
bacterilogical, and chenical. It was where our top epidemiological
scientist were developing various doomsday machines. Because we were
so vulnerable and would not have a second chance should there be an
all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed, there was no
room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this
reguard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the
scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast
they worked and make them more efficient. What scares me today,
looking back at that revelation, is not the fact that was taking place
but rather the clamness and understanding with which I accepted it."



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On Mon, 28 Oct 96 20:18:13 GMT, "Bill K." 
wrote:

>
>AHABIZ wrote:
>> 
>> In article <846172995$29536@atype.com>, pgissource@aol.com (PGISSource)
>> writes:
>> 
>New and improved White Pride: 
>When you have no individual accomplishments to be proud of.

 Kinda like the civil rights movement?

Best Regards,

Vincent

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial
tension.  By propounding into the consciousness of dark races that
for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold
them to the program of the Communist Party.  In America we will
aim for subtle victory.  While inflaming the Negro minority
against the whites, we will endeavor to instill  in the whites a
guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes.  We will aid
the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the
professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With
this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the
whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our
cause."

Israel Cohen (Communist Jew)
A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.
 As printed in the Congressional Record P. 8557, 1957.


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>
>shame on you again! billynazi!  this was the third copy of this post on
>the system!  If you didn't see the first two answers you'll just have to
>go to dejanews and look them up!
>
>Yo! Wiz, from now on everytime billynazi stupidly reposts the same
>message, I'm claiming a point on my side in the "is billynazi ignorant and
>stupid or merely hypocritical?" debate!  
>
>Arlin H. Adams
>
>
>In article <846537553$25114@atype.com>, thebok@dreamon.com (The Bok)
>writes:
>
>> So do you allow
>

No, it is the same question you keep dodging. Answer the question and
I will stop asking it.

Best Regards.

Vincent

Reverend George E. Simons, who as the Superintendent of
the Methodist Episcopal Church in Petrograd from 1907 to 1918 was an
eyewitness to the Bolshevik Revolution. He testified before the United
States Senate and his statement can be found in Volume III of United
States Senate Document No. 62, 66th Congress, First Session:

Out of 388 members of the new Russian government, only 16 happened to
be Russians. One was an American Black. All the rest, 371, were Jews.
Of these 371 Jewish Bolshevik leaders, no less than 265 of them were
>from  the Lower East Side of New York City.



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On Tue, 29 Oct 96 5:49:01 GMT, Robert Ireland 
wrote:

>
>The Bok wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 28 Oct 96 9:18:06 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
>> Medintz) wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >Whilst completely naked, AHABIZ said unto us:
>> >
>> >>[Translation:  ooops, almost forgot to get in a slur about some connection
>> >>to an antinazi group!  cheez, ianazi - everytime we make remarks about how
>> >>much money Arlin must be making all of the militia people fall over
>> >>laughing - do you know why that is?]
>> >
>> >Dammit, Arlin, billynazi is wrong. I'm not laughing. My paycheck from the
>> >Catholics and the jooz and the NWO is late again.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Mike S. Medintz | http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~medintz | KB9ODS
>> >Member, NRA, ACLU, EFF, ARRL, Sierra Club of Kansas
>> >Dream back the Bison, Sing back the Swan
>> 
>> Medintz? Sounds jooish. One of the boys?
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Vincent
>
>-- 
>Yup! Vinnie,
>
>Mike's one of the boys, but then so is everyone that posts to m.a.m,
>even the ladies.  Didn't you know that was one of the prerequisites for
>posting to this NG?  Everyone that posts here is automatically posted to
>the Big Book of Names of the Internetional Jewish Conspiracy as a member
>in good standing.  

 Thank you for clearing that up. 

>Now, aren't you glad you posted here?  You are now offically a Jewish
>Conspirator along with the rest of us.

 Ireland? Sounds Irish. 

>Robert Ireland
>aircav@zapcom.net
>
>"Liberty is not free, it must be fought for every day."


 By the way, I just visited your site. Very nice. I'm sure well will
have much to talk about.

Best Regards,

Vincent

Reverend George E. Simons, who as the Superintendent of
the Methodist Episcopal Church in Petrograd from 1907 to 1918 was an
eyewitness to the Bolshevik Revolution. He testified before the United
States Senate and his statement can be found in Volume III of United
States Senate Document No. 62, 66th Congress, First Session:

"Out of 388 members of the new Russian government, only 16 happened to
be Russians. One was an American Black. All the rest, 371, were Jews.
Of these 371 Jewish Bolshevik leaders, no less than 265 of them were
>from  the Lower East Side of New York City."





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On Mon, 21 Oct 96 20:03:47 GMT, medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S.
Medintz) wrote:

>
>Whilst completely naked, The Bok said unto us:
>
>> Since more and more Whites are beginning to feel threatened by the
>>current anti-White climate which is destroying America, your comments
>>are based in fantasy. 
>
>Fine. Post the membership stats for the various nazidiot/Klan groups over
>the last, say, 30 years. Let's find the trend.

 No need, since I am personally involved in recruiting I can attest to
the rise in recruitment. Are you now asserting that there is not a
rise in anti-government sentiment?

>> The ideas of certian Neo-Marxist militia leaders like Arlin "Commie"
>>Adams, however, are being rejected. While you are your demented PC
>>types place a well moistened forfinder up to the breeze of propaganda
>>coming from your TV, the National Alliance bases all of its ideas on
>>truth. 
>
>Actually, all I ever get from the TV are PBS nature shows (homework), 
>The Weather Channel, and the traffic reports on KSMO.

 A White male, I suppose? Regardless, are you asserting that you do
not see a media bias?

>> In the end, truth and fact always seem to win in the end. 
>
>Perhaps that's why you've been publicly humiliated?
 
 Certainly not. What I would call "your side" of this argument, has
been engaging is name-calling, that's all. Your post has no substance
and my response is probably in vein.

>>-Sir Winston Churchill, Illustrated Sunday Herald, Febuary 8, 1920.
>
>Bullshit. Somehow, I vaguely doubt that this is anything but a forgery.

Sorry, but it is a fact. Prove otherwise.

Bets Regards,
Vincent

THE STRANGER
By Rudyard Kipling

The stranger within in my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk-
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I tell.
We do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The stranger within my gate,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control,
What reasons sway his mood,
Nor when the gods of his far-off land
May repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear
And see the things I see;
Whatever I think of them and their likes,
They think the likes of me.

This was my father's belief,
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all of one sheaf
And the grapes be all of one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.


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