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From: Kneeland 
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Subject: Hi I wanted to know who is an Atheist here.
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If you are you might be interested in various orgs. I can hook you up with.


A


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From: Kneeland 
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Subject: Hi,
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:13:33 -0400
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are there any Iranians here who are Western Patriots? Racialists, 
'right-wingers', etc..?


A


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Sun Oct 13 10:49:13 CDT 1996
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From: Kneeland 
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Subject: Re: ANONYMOUS
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IF the Bahai's are bad then the Muslims are worse. 

	For example, Mohammed the arab bastard, the prophet of stupid and 
bloodthirsty, anti-woman islam, married a 6 year old girl and had sex 
with her when she was 9. Mohammed the illiterate later went on to marry 
his adopted son's wife. And in the goh-ran (qoran), there is a 
'revelation' (i.e., when mohammed started having another epileptic fit) 
that absolves and allows only mohammed from doing such a vile and lustful 
act! Regardless of mohammed, islam teaches that in heaven - according to 
al-ghazali - there are virgins, eternal erections and the best orgasms a 
male ever had! Included in that lewd deal is good wine that doesn't 
intoxicate and -get this!!!- YOUNG BOYS!

Kill Islam and Save Iran!

A

On 10 Oct 1996, Anonymous wrote:

> Hey fucking Bahai:
> Why did you get so upset. I only speak of truth. Truth should not
> be painful.
> 
> Let's go over what I have been saying:
> 
> 1) Your Prophet was a British spy. He was prisoned and exiled
>    by Iranian government (NOT THE IRI) and your prophet finally died
>    somewhere in Israel. I heard they buried him in a remote cemetory
>    because Jewish and Mulims did not want him near any holy sites.
> 
> 2) He had committed adultry and had an affiar with his brother's wife
>    whom he finally end up marrying after his brother died.
> 
> 3) Abbas Afandi was a Bahai leader who was prisoned by Iranian
>    government (NOT THE IRI) and I do not want to remind any one
>    his famous letter "GOH Khordam". This is a guy that every Bahai
>    is ashamed to associate themself with.
> 
> 4) Iranian people have stood behind their government regarding the
>    bahaies in Iran.
> 
> 5) There are no other religion have come to your defend. No one. No Jewish,
>    no Christians or Armenian, and no Zoroastrian. Because they know
>    what type of filthy bastards you are.
> 
> Now I ask people to look into history and check these out. They will find out
> that every single of above are true. If you respect people's inteligence,
> then you should let them research the above and form their own opinion
> about Bahies.
>  
> 
> So Mr. Yazdani:
> Go and fuck yourself if you do not like the truth. If you think these are
> lies, then you should not get upset. The only reason you are getting upset
> is becasue these are all truth.
> 
> Goh va Bahai najest nabasheed
> 
>  
> 
> :Persia2@msn.com (Mark Yazdani) wrote:
> :        Dear Anonymous,
> :
> :        You have either been raised without a mother and father, or     
> :severely abused as a child.  You mentally deficiant madarsag!!!         Do 
> :not dare embarrass my nationality by saying you are Iranian.
> :        You are not even human!!!!  You think the Iranian people are    behind 
> :you, you are deluded.  The Iranian people hate you!!
> :        You represent the same fanatic extremists that have oppressed   
> :Iranians since the Satanic Revolution.  It is people like you   who 
> :have ripped the heart out of a once great country.  It is       GOH like 
> :you that the men and women of Iran live in poverty and  hoplessness.  
> :And I swear by God that the day will come when WE       TRUE IRANIANS will 
> :trample you and your Mullah's beneath our       feet.  We will spit on you 
> :as the dog that you are, and reclaim    our country and restore its 
> :dignity and righteousness.  May God     have mercy on your soul as you 
> :burn in hell.
> :                                                MEHRAN YAZDANI
> 
> 


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Sun Oct 13 10:49:15 CDT 1996
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From: Kneeland 
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hassan kachal kufty, allah vujud nadareh mesleh zeus va mesleh santa 
claus. Agheh Iran ra mekhaym nejad bedim, bayad mazhab ra DESTROY 
bokoneem va mullah haro bokosheem. :)


lamazhabeh

On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, HASSAN KACHAL wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 	GO TO HELL AND BURN YOU IMMORAL WIPPER OF OTHER PEOPLES BOTTOMS!!!!!!
> STOP POSTING THIS CRAP AND FILTHY GARBAGE YOU IDIOT. ALLAH WILL STRIKE 
> YOU DOWN HARD AND INSHA'ALLAH IT WILL HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> DIE SCUM!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Kneeland wrote:
> 
> > IF the Bahai's are bad then the Muslims are worse. 
> > 
> > 	For example, Mohammed the arab bastard, the prophet of stupid and 
> > bloodthirsty, anti-woman islam, married a 6 year old girl and had sex 
> > with her when she was 9. Mohammed the illiterate later went on to marry 
> > his adopted son's wife. And in the goh-ran (qoran), there is a 
> > 'revelation' (i.e., when mohammed started having another epileptic fit) 
> > that absolves and allows only mohammed from doing such a vile and lustful 
> > act! Regardless of mohammed, islam teaches that in heaven - according to 
> > al-ghazali - there are virgins, eternal erections and the best orgasms a 
> > male ever had! Included in that lewd deal is good wine that doesn't 
> > intoxicate and -get this!!!- YOUNG BOYS!
> > 
> > Kill Islam and Save Iran!
> > 
> > A
> > 
> > On 10 Oct 1996, Anonymous wrote:
> > 
> > > Hey fucking Bahai:
> > > Why did you get so upset. I only speak of truth. Truth should not
> > > be painful.
> > > 
> > > Let's go over what I have been saying:
> > > 
> > > 1) Your Prophet was a British spy. He was prisoned and exiled
> > >    by Iranian government (NOT THE IRI) and your prophet finally died
> > >    somewhere in Israel. I heard they buried him in a remote cemetory
> > >    because Jewish and Mulims did not want him near any holy sites.
> > > 
> > > 2) He had committed adultry and had an affiar with his brother's wife
> > >    whom he finally end up marrying after his brother died.
> > > 
> > > 3) Abbas Afandi was a Bahai leader who was prisoned by Iranian
> > >    government (NOT THE IRI) and I do not want to remind any one
> > >    his famous letter "GOH Khordam". This is a guy that every Bahai
> > >    is ashamed to associate themself with.
> > > 
> > > 4) Iranian people have stood behind their government regarding the
> > >    bahaies in Iran.
> > > 
> > > 5) There are no other religion have come to your defend. No one. No Jewish,
> > >    no Christians or Armenian, and no Zoroastrian. Because they know
> > >    what type of filthy bastards you are.
> > > 
> > > Now I ask people to look into history and check these out. They will find out
> > > that every single of above are true. If you respect people's inteligence,
> > > then you should let them research the above and form their own opinion
> > > about Bahies.
> > >  
> > > 
> > > So Mr. Yazdani:
> > > Go and fuck yourself if you do not like the truth. If you think these are
> > > lies, then you should not get upset. The only reason you are getting upset
> > > is becasue these are all truth.
> > > 
> > > Goh va Bahai najest nabasheed
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > :Persia2@msn.com (Mark Yazdani) wrote:
> > > :        Dear Anonymous,
> > > :
> > > :        You have either been raised without a mother and father, or     
> > > :severely abused as a child.  You mentally deficiant madarsag!!!         Do 
> > > :not dare embarrass my nationality by saying you are Iranian.
> > > :        You are not even human!!!!  You think the Iranian people are    behind 
> > > :you, you are deluded.  The Iranian people hate you!!
> > > :        You represent the same fanatic extremists that have oppressed   
> > > :Iranians since the Satanic Revolution.  It is people like you   who 
> > > :have ripped the heart out of a once great country.  It is       GOH like 
> > > :you that the men and women of Iran live in poverty and  hoplessness.  
> > > :And I swear by God that the day will come when WE       TRUE IRANIANS will 
> > > :trample you and your Mullah's beneath our       feet.  We will spit on you 
> > > :as the dog that you are, and reclaim    our country and restore its 
> > > :dignity and righteousness.  May God     have mercy on your soul as you 
> > > :burn in hell.
> > > :                                                MEHRAN YAZDANI
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From atheist@wam.umd.edu Sun Oct 13 10:49:18 CDT 1996
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From: Kneeland 
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:49:45 -0400
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	No. What I hate is not only the (corrupt) clergy but the religion 
itself. Islam is a barbaric religion with a primitive morality. No amount 
of Bahai 'we're all one and beautiful' jibbering will get you anywhere. 
Bahauallah was a dumb-dumb like the rest of them. I've checked out the 
webpage before: it ain't special. 

	You also have seemed to somehow gloss over my statments about the 
immoral behavior and teachings of Islam and Mohammed. Bahais tend to do 
such things.


Atheist




On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Faryar wrote:

> Kneeland wrote:
> > 
> > IF the Bahai's are bad then the Muslims are worse.
> > 
> Dear Kneeland,
> 		What you hate about Islam is the man made theology and interpretation
> of Islam by a corrupt and antiquated Clergy, not the original spirit of
> it. It is rather like  a Shiny Mirror That used to reflect the power,
> light and the warmth of the Sun......
> The Mullahs have obscured it with the dust of their words, and
> deeds...so much so that it has lost its original power and purpose.
> All religions are One in essence if it wasnt for the interference of
> man.
> for  a better understanding of this look under progressive revelation
> under the following
> regards
> faryar
> http://www.bahai.org
> 
> 


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Sun Oct 13 10:49:18 CDT 1996
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From: Kneeland 
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Subject: Re: ANONYMOUS
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:28:15 -0400
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hey khar: look at my e-mail address and figure out whether or not, I'm
really a Bahai. The only madarjendeh is mohammed the creator of islam.


	Atheist

marg bar islam va hameh mazhabha! marg bar bahuallah!

On 11 Oct 1996, Anonymous wrote:

> Hey fucking Bahai:
> This maddar-gendeh (Kneeland) is a bahai too.
> You do not have to preache to him about your religion.
> 
> Do you want me proof to you that he is a Bahai:
> 
> Hey Kneeland:
> Who is Abbas Afandi. Was he a Bahai leader after your prophet
> died. Please enlight us. Why you people want to have nothing with him.
> 
> He will stay silent or dodge the bullet and change the subject.
> 
> Yek Zartoshti
> 
> :Faryar  wrote:
> :Kneeland wrote:
> :> 
> :> IF the Bahai's are bad then the Muslims are worse.
> :> 
> :Dear Kneeland,
> :                What you hate about Islam is the man made theology and interpret
> :ation
> :of Islam by a corrupt and antiquated Clergy, not the original spirit of
> :it. It is rather like  a Shiny Mirror That used to reflect the power,
> :light and the warmth of the Sun......
> :The Mullahs have obscured it with the dust of their words, and
> :deeds...so much so that it has lost its original power and purpose.
> :All religions are One in essence if it wasnt for the interference of
> :man.
> :for  a better understanding of this look under progressive revelation
> :under the following
> :regards
> :faryar
> 
> 



From atheist@wam.umd.edu Tue Oct 15 15:25:25 PDT 1996
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From: Kneeland 
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Amen to that. He is right. Once we have our racial unity, everything 
positive will follow.

We must assert our hegemony again. Long live the West!

A

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

> "Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
> It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
> follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
> race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
> our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
> and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
> Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
> wars of politics and possession."  
> 
> Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.
> 
> Kurt Stele
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Amen to that. He is right. Once we have our racial unity, everything 
positive will follow.

We must assert our hegemony again. Long live the West!

A

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Kurt Stele wrote:

> "Our bond with Europe is a bond of race, not of political ideology.
> It is the European race we must preserve: political progress will
> follow.  Racial strength is vital -- politics a luxury.  If the White 
> race is ever seriously threatened, it may then be time for us to take 
> our part in its protection:  to fight side by side with English, French, 
> and Germans -- but not with one against the other for our mutual destruction.  
> Let us not dissipate our strength, or help Europe to dissipate hers in these 
> wars of politics and possession."  
> 
> Charles Lindbergh. October 13th, 1939.
> 
> Kurt Stele
> 
> 
> 
> 


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Sun Oct 20 23:37:05 PDT 1996
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From: Salman Rushdie 
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Subject: Re: Speaking of David Irving
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:09:06 -0400
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bullshit. Utter bullshit. I too saw Mr. Irving give a speech concerning 
the Goebbels book and other relevent material. 

	The man is not a 'Jew-hater'. ANyone who doesn't lick schmuel's 
ass is an anti-semite. Don't give me this crap, please, Ms. Ostrov. 
	At the luncheon I saw with my own eyes Mr. Irving going against 
the Nazi Regimes maltreatment of Jews on the simple grounds of inhumanity.

	DAVID IRVING IS NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE.

	He said that the horror of the camps was that INNOCENT people 
suffered both jew and gentile. There were massive pogroms and atrocites 
of the sort taken out on Jews but no Holocaust as the Zionists propagandized.

	David Irving is not an anti-semite: he doesn't hate arabs!!!! ( 
or jews!) What he does hate is jewish machinations, and attitudes of 
"us,us,us,us!!!!!!we're chosen, we're not goyim! Mazaltav! oi!"
	

Ali

On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Hilary Ostrov wrote:

> From: The Globe and Mail, Saturday, Oct. 19/96 Page D5
> 
> [All ellipses and typos mine.  hro]
> 
> _Nazism_
> When history is written by bad men
> By Jacob Heilbrunn
> The New Republic
> 
> "David Irving, author of a sympathetic new biography of Joseph
> Goebbels, is revered by some as a serious scholar.  To others he is a
> vicious anti-Semite"
> 
> 
> 
> [...] A British historian who views Nazism with nostalgia, Mr. Irving
> has begun to depict himself as a victim of an international conspiracy
> aimed at suppressing him and his works.
> 
> Mr. Irving's difficulties have elicited sympathy from some unexpected
> quarters.  Writing in the June issue of Vanity Fair, Christopher
> Hitchens dismissed Mr. Irving's critics as "hysterical and
> old-maidish" and hailed Mr. Irving as a "great historian of Fascism."
> Even more surpisingly, Gordon Craig, the dean of German historians,
> also weighed in on Mr. Irving's behalf.  In the Sept. 19 New York
> Review of Books, Mr. Craig reminded his readers that historical truth
> is not engraved in stone.  Like Mr. Hitchens, he depicted Mr. Irving
> as a serious historian with a few eccentric views about the Holocaust.
> 
> I took Mr. Craig's admonition to heart.  When Mr. Irving appeared at
> an advertised luncheon in his honour at the Polo India Club Restaurant
> in Washington on Sept. 15, I went. [...]
> 
> [Snip description and excerpts from Irving's July 1996 Action Report]
> 
> 
> [...] Perhaps the most notable feature of the Action Report was Mr.
> Irving's own running diary in which he called [Wermacht veteran
> Reinhold] Elstner a "hero."  My curiosity piqued, I phoned the number
> listed for more information about Mr. Irving's luncheon and was
> heartily welcomed by one Andrew L. Gray, a Washington rentier [sic]
> who was hosting the event.
> 
> I arrived at 12 o'clock sharp to find Mr. Irving aranging his books
> for sale across from a framed self-portrait by Hitler he had brought
> for the occasion. [...]  In all, there were about 15 of us: a gym
> instructor from Bethesda, an elderly German couple and several
> nondescript men who might have been mid-level government bureaucrats.
> 
> As we milled around Mr. Irving, he unleashed a litany of complaints.
> The object of his wrath that day was the Jewish Board of Deputies in
> London.  "They're the ones who sent the report to Canada that ended up
> in my being deported in handcuffs," Mr. Irving said, "by an
> immigration official who looked like a real immigrant."
> 
> [...]
> 
> During a lull in the conversation, I asked Mr. Iriving about a comment
> he'd made earlier:  that critics saw the message of his new books as,
> in Thomas McCormack's words, "the Jews brought it on themselves."  Mr.
> Irving paused.  The first boycott of Jewish-owned businesses was
> preceded, he explained, "by a Jewish declaration of war on Germany.
> The Nazis were simply retaliating."  Anyway, he added in a mocking
> tone, Goebbels called the boycott for April 1, which was the Jewish
> Sabbath.  He was simply trying to get them to obey their own faith.
> 
> [...]
> 
> [...] Mr. Irving said he couldn't help noticing that the letters from
> publishers in New York are more and more often signed with names like
> "Goldberg."  Why not go with a publisher other than the New York ones,
> asked a white-haired man who looked like a colonel from the Raj.
> "No," Mr. Irving replied, "I will not do that.  I can't go to a lesser
> publisher.  That means giving in to the enemy."
> 
> The enemy.   Mr. Irving did not need to spell out to his acolytes who
> that was.  His Goebbels biography makes it abundantly clear who the
> enemies are and who the heroes.
> 
> [Snip book details]
> 
> In short, Mr. Irving's books cannot be divorced from the man and his
> historical mission.  That mission is to normalize Hitler and Nazism so
> as to remove the unique stain of the Final Solution from Germany.
> [...] since the second World War, it has been taboo in the West to
> espouse anti-Semitism publicly.  Mr. Irving's project is to smash this
> taboo.
> 
> But good history does not have to be produced by bad men.  Challenges
> to accepted historical verities have been produced by many scholars
> over the years, scholars who are constantly wrangling over every
> conceivable aspect of German history.  Mr. Irving has made no
> contributions to these debates.
> 
> If revising British and American history has meant toppling heroes
> [...]  from their plinths, revisionism has taken on a rather different
> meaning when it comes to Germany.  The statues have already been
> smashed.  The challenge facing the would-be revisionist is to sweep
> the shards under the rug and attempt to start with a fresh mold.  But
> as the symbol of human evil Auschwitz has resisted both denial and
> relativization.
> 
> Mr. Craig to the contrary, there are certain absolute truths in
> history, or at least truths that it is futile to dispute.  We know
> that the Holocaust occurred.  This is not a topic for debate.  A
> reputable publisher does not have a moral obligation to publish a book
> by Mr. Irving; to give him the patina of respectability that he
> craves, for a book, moreover, that contains no revelations about
> Goebbels and much misinformation.
> 
> Mr. Hitchens wrote that in meeting Mr. Irving, "I learned a lot in the
> process of doing so."  I learned nothing new about Nazism from David
> Irving.  I did learn that his hatred of the Jews is bottomless.
> 
> 
> 
> hro
> 
> =======================
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> 


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Mon Oct 21 09:22:56 PDT 1996
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From: Salman Rushdie 
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Subject: Re: Extermination cover up techniques
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 21:15:27 -0400
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The last is utter  hogwash. Since, jazz music was considered degenerate 
by Nazis, how the hell could they have played it at Majdanek? Jazz was 
censored.


A

yet another jewish lie...

On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, tom moran wrote:

> 		
> 	As the Holocaust eyewitness story has it, the Germans had a
> number of ways to cover up the extermination process.
> 
> 	At Auschwitz a truck driver was ordered to start up his vehicle
> and rev the motor to drown out the screams of the victims.
> 
> 	At another, Chelmno, flocks of geese were kept around to gaggle
> during the exterminations.
> 
> 	At Majdanek, jazz music was played over an array of loud speakers
> to cover up the sounds of gun fire. 
> 
> 


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Mon Oct 21 17:44:28 PDT 1996
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From: Flynnzomatic 
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Subject: Re: Christian Revisionism Okay but for the Holocaust it's "Hate"
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:56:27 -0400
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Interestingly enough Tom, scholars even are skeptic about the existence 
of jesus as a historical figure. Some openly promote the idea that jesus 
never existed as a historical figure. 
	Everyone has a right to that opinion, and I think I even share 
that opinion, but what a form of hypocrisy is this when we can question 
the most influential person in the history or our civilization and 
culture while we cannot question the holocaust.....I smell a rat. And he 
wears a star of david.

	Also Tom, from being an Atheist, I have learned that it is again 
allright to question and prod and rebuke and polemicize Christianity, but 
when I start saying things like, "Biblical scholars have proven that the 
Exodus was a hoax and that the OT was tampered with by the rabbis and 
that even the so-called Book of Maccabees is also a hoax: there NEVER was 
archaeological evidence proving the mass suicide of jews in their guarded 
sanctuary (the jews lied like hell!)" everyone starts looking uneasy and 
the jews start getting angry. 

	It seems that the Jews can't take any criticism of their 
(parasitic) 'culture'. A culture that lives of gentile toil, labor, 
blood, sweat, and ingenuity. Let me give everyone an example here:

I cater as a job. I catered about 2 weeks ago in a VERY affluent (of 
course, jewish) neighborhood. The occasion was a bat-mitzvah for a 13 yr 
old khazar 'jewish' girl. Let me side tract and say she looked very 
middles eastern: a true mediterraneanized khazar female. She was a pretty 
girl. Anyway, her father spend $1.2 MILLION for her bat-mitzvah!!! And 
she is the youngest of 3 girls!!! Now what bugged me was not the fact 
that she was 'jewish' or a khazar; it was nothing racial against her or 
her Indo-European kin, but rather her father's typical jewish 
machinations in the business world that bring him undeservingly to the 
top of high finance. Her father is the Pres. of Barnum & Bailey Circus! 
Her father's name is Felds! Typical! Must the Jew be soo sneaky as to 
again hide behind a false name! From Feldsbaum or Feldstein to Felds! 
	And the gist of this above message is that the Jew like his 
kinsmen throughtout history have always received things by chicaneries 
that they do not deserve. Barnum & Bailey was probably formed by gentile 
Anglo-Saxons: they put their ingenuity in it and money and sweat, while 
overnight they and their memory is usurped by stocks and bonds: typical 
jewish/talmudic financial machinations. 

Long live the West!

A

On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, tom moran wrote:

> 	
> 	For the last two years there has been considerable commentary
> appearing in main stream medias such as the L.A.Times, N.Y.Times,
> Newsweek and Time Magazines on the validity of the most central points
> of Christianity.
> 
> 	Did Christ do this - did Christ really do that? Was Christ really
> the son of god?
> 
> 	I don't know if there have been scores of websites out here, or
> hundreds of newspaper articles, letters to the editors, columns, full
> page ads and books condemning this growing revisionist trend towards
> Christianity as hateful, but I do know there have been all these media
> formats used extensively to denounce any and all who question the
> Holocaust as purveyors of "HATE" who are "NEO-NAZIS" and "RACIST" 
> 
> 	Often accompanying or included in the extensive obvious
> conspiracy to brand Holocaust revisionist as racist, neo-Nazi haters
> are calls for special censorship against Holocaust revisionism.
> 
> 	Little groups running here and there, 'stamping down their feet'
> in demonstration of righteousness, mass phone call campaigns and bomb
> threats is how those who are so dependent on the Holocaust story go
> about it.
> 
> 	"Hate", Hate", Hate" is their battle cry.
> 
> 
> 	Christian revisionism is something that questions that which is
> dear to the hearts of hundreds of millions, something fundamentally,
> inheritably central to human beings, religion.
> 
> 	Holocaust revisionism questions the accuracy of a historical
> event.
> 
> 	The Christians seem to be able to take it with a certain grace. 
> 
> 	For those who are dependent on the Holocaust story, it's "Hate",
> "neo-Nazi", "Racist" - "anti-Semitism".
>  	 	 	       
> 	There is something really different between reactions.
> 	
> 	Something disproportionate.
>      
> 	Something quite unaesthetic.
> 
> 	Something ugly.
> 
> 	Something weak.	
> 
> 


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Tue Oct 22 07:40:57 PDT 1996
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From: Salman Rushdie 
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 14:38:16 -0400
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I too hate the attitude of Jews when it comes to their own self 
importance. Or when they complain about maltreatment throughout the 
centuries, but I don't hate all Jews. I have a lot of Jewish friends, and 
like Irving I'll say that I hate - HATE - Jewish machinations. 
Interestingly, he never said anything of the sort that hates everything 
jewish. 


A


On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Annie Alpert, OFB wrote:



> I heard him speak, too, and IMO he exhibited a very deep anti-Semitism.
> He did attempt to rationalize his remarks with the standard disclaimer
> that he doens't hate ALL Jews--just the one's he doesn't like--but that
> hardly absolves him of his blatant dislike for all things and people
> Jewish.
> 
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From atheist@wam.umd.edu Tue Oct 22 16:32:06 PDT 1996
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From: Salman Rushdie 
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	We Westerners know the feeling when someone keeps talking about 
horros and suffering and they bring in the holocaust drivel while not 
paying any attention whatsoever to other people's REAL suffering.....now 
on this note here's a little insight into this phenomenon.....


	Yesterday in my dorm I walked into my dorm's lounge and a korean 
dormmate was reading.....what's she reading?......martin luther 
king.......ew...
	Anyway, I saw Arendt's book on Eichmann on the table and picked 
it up.....Let me tell you this.....everywhere she talked about the 
holocaust and jewish suffering, everywhere I saw israel this israel that. 
Needless to say, I didn't see anything about the atrocites of 
bolshevism.......was she a fool? Didn't she know what they did in the 
Ukraine to the gentile peoples? Wasn't her book about the '
banality of evil' and yet she has nothing to say on marxism, leninism, 
even stalinism? How about Maoist china? Nothing? Absolutely nothing?
	Again needless to say, I was immediately disgusted with this 
perverted 'explanation' on suffering. Now seriously, what does one expect 
when a Jew writes a book? The Jewess got a phd in philosophy under an 
existentialist...she emigrated to America under Nazi persecution and 
joined forces with the subversive "New School for Social Research"" 
nothing but a marxist academy for jews to get together and plot further 
ways to undermine Western civilization through miscegenation with the 
cannibals...er..excuseme!...I mean afikun-amecan's, and the destruction 
and undermining of our precious Western traditions.

	I asked the korean (  I can't stand orientals) why the book 
didn't say anything concerning the GREATEST banality of evil in 
bolshevised countries, and she gave the typical ZOGified remark of "but 
in Germany..." oi vay! 

	It seems that the jews have duped us once again. Not many of 
their host populations know about the atrocities and nature of bolshevism 
(judaism) where they outlaw 'anti-semitism', killed priests, destroyed 
churches, mass raped women throughout Eastern Europe, and Russia, 
mutilated the beautiful Russian tradition, and basically ran a 
jewish-police state based on the talmudic vengeance of centuries while 
killing millions of people.

	Man, with names like Apfelbaum, Bronstein, Solomons, Moses 
Uritsky, all in charge of the 'Soviet jewdom', you better watch out!

	On the same note I remember my grandmother describing her stay in 
bolshevized Turkmenistan. How they looted all the houses for 
'nationalization' and every man that was an opposition they just 
butchered and killed and every woman they cut off her breasts. 
	And why is there nothing on this subject in Nizkor? That Lazar 
Kaganovich was in charge of murdering millions of Ukrainian farmers 
through starvation?

	Well, Long Live the West!

Fight on Brothers!


A


From atheist@wam.umd.edu Tue Oct 22 19:04:58 PDT 1996
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From: Salman Rushdie 
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Firstly, I'm a he and not a she. The impression that I got was that 
Irving was NOT an 'anti-semite'. I'm quite sure that a lackey of zion 
such as yourself thinks anyone who says jews aren't a o.k., or that jews 
are 'bad' is termed an anti-semite. Oh well.

A

ps- and as you know, Irving doesn't believe in 4 million being killed.... 

On 20 Oct 1996, Ken McVay OBC wrote:

> In article , 
> Kneeland  wrote:
> 
> >bullshit. Utter bullshit. I too saw Mr. Irving give a speech concerning 
> >the Goebbels book and other relevent material. 
> 
> Such language for a nice Iranian lady! My goodness gracious.
> 
> [snippeth]
> 
> >	DAVID IRVING IS NOT AN ANTI-SEMITE.
> 
> rotfl
> 
> >	He said that the horror of the camps was that INNOCENT people 
> >suffered both jew and gentile. There were massive pogroms and atrocites 
> >of the sort taken out on Jews but no Holocaust as the Zionists propagandized.
> 
> [as in "David Irving says four million died...but there was
> no Holocaust..."]
> 
> [Iranian feperson neglects commenting on documented
> antisemitic quotes from the Irving Himself...]
> 
> "Even though she hasn't won the top prize, Hilary, tell
> Kneeland what she's won....."
> 
> 
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