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From: tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
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Subject: Re: jail sentences and holocaust denial
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 12:54:37 GMT
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t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY) wrote:

>In article <30ED4928.128D@niven.imsweb.net> Bud  writes:

>>do you think it's right for holocaust deniers to be sentenced to prison 
>>terms for their views?

>Not on your life.

        This is what Morrison puts out here, but if we should go by his posts
and responses we could the idea that he's not saying what he really
thinks. Sort of like the ADL saying they are the "staunchest
supporters of free speech".

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Subject:      Re: jail sentences and holocaust denial
From:         t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY)
Date:         1996/01/07
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Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism

In article <4coj1k$6eq@zippy.cais.net> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

>>>do you think it's right for holocaust deniers to be sentenced to prison 
>>>terms for their views?

>>Not on your life.

>        This is what Morrison puts out here, but if we should go by his posts
>and responses we could the idea that he's not saying what he really
>thinks. Sort of like the ADL saying they are the "staunchest
>supporters of free speech".


Go by my posts.  Find everyone I've ever written and find one statement I've 
ever made that people should be jailed for their beliefs or opinions of any 
kind.  Find one sentence where I have approved the arrest and trial of a 
revisionist for merely stating an opinion.  Provide one single iota of 
evidence that I have ever condoned legal prosecution of belief.

Go on, do it.

Just to save you the time, I'll make some rather simple statements here that 
you might reflect on, before you decide to issue your apology.

Statement of opinion, belief or thought should not be a crime, not 
prosecuted or subject to constraint except when it can be objectively proven 
to directly cause physical harm to another person.  Saying "All blacks are 
stupid" is fine, saying "All blacks are stupid so I think you boys should go 
out and string up a few" is not.

Note that this restriction is widely recognized as a legitimate limit on 
freedom of speech, similar to the yelling fire in a theatre concept.

And who deserves freedom of belief?  I don't agree with Farrakhan, NAMBLA, 
creationists, holocaust deniers, neo-nazis, communists, ultraradical 
feminists, racists, misogynists, Quebec seperatists, Scientologists, 
pornographers, Satanists, and many many other groups and every single one of 
them has the right to freely and vocally state their beliefs as loud and as 
often as they want so long as it does no direct physical harm to another.

I've never suggested that you be shut up even though I've had every reason 
to, this particular accusation merely being the latest example.

You've demonstrated that you cannot read even text designed to be simple to 
understand from a dictionary, so I fail how to see how you have the 
intellectual capacity to read some secret meaning from my posts.  And that 
freedom of speech I agree with also.  The freedom to insult some ignorant 
and immature idiot who can't spare two neurons to rub together and if 
tracing his family tree back three generations would hit the invertebrates.

Come to think of it, I don't expect an apology.  You being you would 
probably not see what an asinine and unsupportably stupid comment you have 
made.  Any moron who claims geological knowledge and then calls iron an 
amphibole is so far beneath contempt as to be laughable.

And yes, I am insulting you.  Deservedly so you sanctimonious little twit.

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Subject:      Re: jail sentences and holocaust denial
From:         tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
Date:         1996/01/09
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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) wrote:

>In article <30ED4928.128D@niven.imsweb.net>,
>Bud   wrote:
>>do you think it's right for holocaust deniers to be sentenced to prison 
>>terms for their views?

>    Absolutely not.  Quite aside from the principal objection that it a
>violation of their rights, it doesn't even achieve its intended goal.

        What about being charged as "racist" and "anti-Semite"?

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Subject:      Re: jail sentences and holocaust denial
From:         t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY)
Date:         1996/01/09
Message-Id:   
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Organization: University of New Brunswick
Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism

In article <4cu5dd$riu@zippy.cais.net> tm@pacificnet.net (Granite Boy) 
writes:

>>    Absolutely not.  Quite aside from the principal objection that it a
>>violation of their rights, it doesn't even achieve its intended goal.

>        What about being charged as "racist" and "anti-Semite"?


Gee, Granite Boy gets one of his pet theories shot right to hell and now 
runs around desperately trying to rescue something from the wreckage.

Still waiting for the retraction that I condone the jailing or prosecution 
of revisionists based on their beliefs alone.  Or else for Granite Boy to 
supply the non-existant evidence that I do.

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