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a1995b@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
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> In article <368ecb5c.21484798@news3.ibm.net>,
>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
> > In <368e7e15.0@nemo.idirect.com>, on Sat, 02 Jan 99 08:15:20 GMT,
> > aq220@torfree.net (Marc Lemire) wrote:
> >
> > >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >                 
> >
> > In respect of the Jewish Question, the Fhrer has decided to make a
> > clean sweep.  He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought
about
> > a world war, they would experience their annihilation in it.  That
> > wasn't just a catch-word.  The world war is here, and the annihilation
> > of Jewry must be the necessary consequence.
> >
> > [Goebbels, Diary entry, December 12, 1941]
> >
> > 
> 
> What the heck does this have to do with the topic??  Paranoia, for what
ever
> reason, can't justify trampling of civil rights.

I guess he is trying to say just imagine what would have happened if
Goebbels had a computer and Internet access!  The nasty Nazis might have
finished the job!

> 
> > --
> > Gord McFee
> > I'll write no line before its time
> >
> > Visit the Holocaust History Project
> > http://www.holocaust-history.org
> >
> > Visit the Nizkor site
> > http://www.nizkor.org
> >
> 
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In article <368DE1AC.24EB@bc.sympatico.ca>,
  canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> Steven C. Britton wrote:
> >
> > badams@cow-net.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-violence, anti-religious
> > > intolerance, anti-homophobe etc etc, are now considered proper
> > > forms of socialization in secular society.
>
> Yes, it's politically correct, but the road to hell is paved with the
> good intentions of your kind.  Problem with religion is, if it proclaims
> in any way that some things are wrong and other things are right, is
> that it is intolerant of immoral behaviour.  What are you going to do,
> line up all the Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, and Christians, and shoot them?
>
> >
> > The problem is that it is taught that these "groups" need special rights and
> > privelidges.
>
> Affirmative action reinforces stereotypes about minorities and their
> inferiority.  Why else would they need special treatment if they weren't
> inferior?
>
> >
> > They don't.
> >
> > > I don't frown on pregnant teenagers for having sex.
>
> How young would you let your daughter have sex?  16?  15?  14?  13?
> 12teen?  And how old would like the man to be?  Would it bother you if
> he was, say, 30?  How about 40?  Pushing any buttons here?  If you
> oppose religious intolerance, what kind of morality would give you the
> right to oppose the alternative lifestyles of pedophiles?
>
> >
> > I do.
> >
> > > I think sex and teenagers is a natural thing.
> >
> > It is natural for teenagers to feel urges and desires they don't fully
> > understand, and it is therefore necessary for parents to instill the
> > appropriate values that go with sex to ensure that teenagers understand when
> > and where it is appropriate to have sex -- usually not before age 25.
> >
> > > I do frown on unprotected sex though, because of STD's and unwanted
> > > pregnancies.
> >
>
> So, as long as your daughter doesn't get knocked up or herpes, you don't
> care when she starts having sex, or with who, right?
>

I really would like to see how you answer the questions I posed to you Mr.
Adams.  I'd like to know what kind of Mickey Mouse morality you believe in and
how that "anti-religious intolerant" morality can condemn pedophilia or incest
when you are against intolerance of any kind.

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From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:45:11 EST 1999
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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> Well this is rather silly. You place a questionaire in front of an
> individual what religion they best associate themselves with, and they're
> going to say what their parents are.

In other words, they are going to associate themselves with their
traditions and heritage.  

> 
> Examples of this: Q.M. claims to be a good white christian Canadian, but
> he preaches segregation

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget
God" (Psalm 9:17).

>, isolation, 

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14).

>racism, 

"Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that
the heathen should rule over them" (Joel 2:17).

>and hates hindu's.

Where did I say I hate Hindus?  I hate the immigration policy which lets
them into the country, but that's not the same as hating them.

> Love thy
> neighbour...

You want to quote scripture?  Finish it then.  Here's one for you, 

"Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with
those that rise up against thee?  I hate them with perfect hatred: I
count them mine enemies" (Psalm 139:21-22).


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Cosmin Corbea wrote:
> 
>
> I don't think that's significant. Inferring one's religious affiliation
> based on what they'll do in a extreme and life threatening situation is not
> fair.

Life's not fair, get used to it.


> If somebody ignores religious rules, declares him/herself an atheist
> and doesn't find a place for church in his life, I wouldn't call him/her
> religious just because he may pray or ask for God's help under extreme
> stress. This wouldn't be a normal situation, and his/her behaviour wouldn't
> be the normal one.

If deep down they didn't believe in God, why wouldn't they ask for the
help of Darwin or evolution?

> For a closer to home example, how many people use
> religious images/quotes/concepts in everyday conversation, without in any
> way implying any religious affiliation? 

Example?  Using the Lord's name in vain is not religious, it is a sin.

>As Terry Pratchett says somewhere,
> it takes a very special kind of atheist to jump around clutching his finger
> and shout "Obsolete and meaningless concept on a crutch!"
> 

Who is Terry Pratchett?  He seems to be about as meaningless as his
words.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> So...what you're basically saying is that for you, hatred is a family
> value.
> 

Read Psalm 139:21-22 again, and then ask me the question.

> We all know you hate anyone none white, and don't bother denying it. You
> wouldn't participate in 'white flight' if you didn't hate or despise your
> neighbours in surrey..

This is a free country, and if I don't want to live in the midst of
Khalistan or Surrey Lanka, then I don't have to.  You like A-Class
autobody and APNA driving school, then you move there.  I don't care for
their choice in monster homes or Punjabi language on their businesses. 
I think it is rude and ignorant.  If they want to speak Punjab, they
should move back to India or keep it within the walls of their
god-forsaken homes.

> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> >>
> >> Well this is rather silly. You place a questionaire in front of an
> >> individual what religion they best associate themselves with, and they're
> >> going to say what their parents are.
> 
> >In other words, they are going to associate themselves with their
> >traditions and heritage.
> 
> >>
> >> Examples of this: Q.M. claims to be a good white christian Canadian, but
> >> he preaches segregation
> 
> >"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget
> >God" (Psalm 9:17).
> 
> >>, isolation,
> 
> >"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
> >fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
> >hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14).
> 
> >>racism,
> 
> >"Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that
> >the heathen should rule over them" (Joel 2:17).
> 
> >>and hates hindu's.
> 
> >Where did I say I hate Hindus?  I hate the immigration policy which lets
> >them into the country, but that's not the same as hating them.
> 
> >> Love thy
> >> neighbour...
> 
> >You want to quote scripture?  Finish it then.  Here's one for you,
> 
> >"Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with
> >those that rise up against thee?  I hate them with perfect hatred: I
> >count them mine enemies" (Psalm 139:21-22).
> --
> `,,,`
> Frederick Ghahramani Esq.
> `,,,`


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> bk469@torfree.net (John Lauzon) writes:
> >But Frederic, it says that 12.5% have NO RELIGION, meaning that question
> >is also asked and that is where you would mark YOUR 'X'...so you loose...:)
> >Have a nice day
> 
> heh heh, :> well I'm willing to admit sticking my head out was somewhat
> wrong with the numbers, but let me put it this way:
> 
> If a survey asks canadians what religion they associate themselves with,
> the majority say catholic.
> 
> If a survey asks canadians if they're willing to remain catholic(or
> christian) if they have to follow the rules (which includes declaring oral
> sex equal to sodomy), then most canadians no doubt would claim to be
> agnostic or undecided.

That's the beautiful thing about Christianity, you can be forgiven.  So
you don't need to turn your back on God, and He doesn't turn His back on
you, just because you have sinned.   Now, if you are saying that there
are no Christians in Canada, because they are all sinners, then you
obviously don't know what it means to be human.  We are all sinners,
there is none, not one, of us who deserves to be in Heaven without the
Grace and Forgiveness of Jesus.  But please, tell us of any your
performance-based religions or belief systems in which the adherents
live up to their teachings?  Even Satanists are good sometimes.


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Sylvan Korvus wrote:
> 
> In article <368DE345.4FEB@bc.sympatico.ca>, canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> 
> >This is a free country, and if I don't want to live in the midst of
> >Khalistan or Surrey Lanka, then I don't have to.  You like A-Class
> >autobody and APNA driving school, then you move there.  I don't care for
> >their choice in monster homes or Punjabi language on their businesses.
> >I think it is rude and ignorant.  If they want to speak Punjab, they
> >should move back to India or keep it within the walls of their
> >god-forsaken homes.
> 
> Wow. It's so nice to see such a fine example of Christian decency on this
> group. What's even better, is how you seem to be able to find scripture
> [selective evidence] to rationalize your bigoted opinions. I'm sure many
> theologians would disagree that racial intolerance and self-righteous
> arrogance towards non-believers are fundamental prescribed tenets of
> Christian thought.
> ______________________


And it's so nice of you to presume to know the condition of my heart. 
Condemn me will you?  Judge me?  That's not your job.


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Sylvan Korvus  wrote in article
...
> syber@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea) wrote:
> 
> Religion not only provides an intellectual security blanket, but it does
> provide a valuable social effect in creating strong communities. It is
> good if everyone living in a small town feels an intrinsic trust for one
> another. The drawback, however, is that someone who doesn't share the
same
> belief system is considered an outcast; witness "mebesius" opinion of
> Hindus.

Hindus, and Sikhs and Buddhists and other heathens, bring with them
competing and foreign belief systems and add to the social and moral
confusion in this land.  We are commanded not to associate with the
heathen, or follow their ways, customs or abominations, and "those which ye
let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides,
and shall vex you in the land wherein you dwell" (Numbers 33:55).

"Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that
the heathen should rule over them" (Joel 2:17).

And through affirmative action and employment equity we have caused "The
stranger who is within thee" to "get up above thee very high," so that "he
shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail"  (Deuteronomy 28:43-44).

God have mercy on the nation which turns its back on Him.

BTW, not all non-white, Third World immigrants are heathens.  I know a lot
of Chinese and Korean Christians and they also want tougher immigration
laws to keep out criminals and people who won't try to fit in.  

> 
> 
> It's very difficult for people to "come out" as an atheist, and reject
not
> only the belief system, but the social conventions as well.
>

Nonsense.  Atheism is very trendy these days, almost as trendy as being
homosexual.  But at least there are some homosexuals who still believe in
God and Jesus Christ.  And they will be forgiven.



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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> >And it's so nice of you to presume to know the condition of my heart.
> >Condemn me will you?  Judge me?  That's not your job.
> 
> "let he who hath not sinned, cast the first stone" [YEAH! high five!:]

Did I ever suggest that I wasn't a sinner?  Here's some more scripture
for you, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye
shall not be condemned: forgive and ye shall be forgiven" (Luke 6:37).

Do you know what this means?  It doesn't mean we shouldn't reprove sin
or discern Truth from lies and soul-destroying behaviour.  It means that
we are supposed to leave the job of final judgement to God.  He will
judge every nation and every soul.


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Sylvan Korvus wrote:
> 
> In article <368E8015.4C91@bc.sympatico.ca>, canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> 
> >And it's so nice of you to presume to know the condition of my heart.
> >Condemn me will you?  Judge me?  That's not your job.
> 
> Hipocrisy at its best! You don't seem to have any compunction about
> condemning or judging new immigrants 

I haven't presumed to cast final judgement on anyone, let alone new
immigrants.  Pointing out what the Bible says about letting the heathen
into our land isn't hypocrisy, it's pointing out our disbobedience to
the Word.


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> 
>
> You, also, may be forgiven, if you repent(turn away) from your anti G-d hatred
> with a contrite(broken) heart.
> 

I don't hate God, and how dare you convict me with that charge!  I don't
presume to know the condition of your heart, how dare you presume to
know mine!  Moreover, you don't see me parading around the Internet
calling myself a cyber-Pope like you do.  If you think I am in error,
show me, point me in the right direction, show me the scripture, don't
condemn me with the ultimate judgement that I hate God.  Love your
Christian neighbour, hate those who hate God.


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> suture@portal.ca (Mark Mushet) wrote:
> 
> MM> mebesius  wrote:
> MM> >"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye
> MM> >shall not be condemned: forgive and ye shall be forgiven" (Luke 6:37).
> MM>
> MM> >Do you know what this means?  It doesn't mean we shouldn't reprove sin
> MM> >or discern Truth from lies and soul-destroying behaviour.  It means that
> MM> >we are supposed to leave the job of final judgement to God.  He will
> MM> >judge every nation and every soul.
> 
> MM> Translation:
> MM> I've got a license to hate and behave like an animal. If you don't
> MM> like it, take it up with my supervisor.
> 
> Actually, he's full of crap, the verse he quoted only means that we should NOT
> judge or condemn, there's nothing in there about exceptions to such. . .
> Mebesius has interjected his own wishes and attempted self-justification into a
> very straight-forwardly worded piece of Scripture!
> 
>

Let the Bible interpret the Bible, don't inject your own politically
correct interpretation into the Word.  Again, if you are a brother in
Christ, show me where I go wrong, don't insult my Christ-loving
commitment to the Father.


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In article <76kmvj$lvt$1@morgoth.sfu.ca>,
  fghahram@sfu.ca (Fredrick Ghahramani) wrote:
> So...what you're basically saying is that for you, hatred is a family
> value.
>
> We all know you hate anyone none white, and don't bother denying it. You
> wouldn't participate in 'white flight' if you didn't hate or despise your
> neighbours in surrey..

Why is it that "white flight" is inherently racist, but your immigrant friends
moving to their ethnic enclaves isn't?  Perhaps your East Indian friends share
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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >know mine!  Moreover, you don't see me parading around the Internet
> >calling myself a cyber-Pope like you do.  If you think I am in error,
> >show me, point me in the right direction, show me the scripture, don't
> >condemn me with the ultimate judgement that I hate God.  Love your
> >Christian neighbour, hate those who hate God.
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Jesus shit, you are so bloody ignorant!!! Who said muslims hate God? WHy
> do you hate HIndu's? You can't sanction your hatred as doing gods work.
> It's pretty bloody transparent that you're using your religion as a reason
> to hate. Everybody who has ever run across your posts can figuire that
> out,...man, why do you even try? You've thus far been attacked from both
> sides: your thoughts disgust any rational person, your thoughts are not
> congruent to anything christian, and you give christians a bad name
> 
> Anyone willing to take bets mebesius will fail that 'turn the other cheek'
> test?

You see, this is what happens when you let heathens and pagans into the
tent and let them run the show.  The Bible gets watered down and all
they pretend to know is that Christians should be wimpy and turn the
other cheek when anti-Christian forces are attacking the foundations of
the Faith.  But this isn't the fault of the Muslims or the Buddhists or
the Hindus, it is the fault of the Christian leadership who have
preached only part of the Bible, only part of the New Testament, and
only part of the Word.  They do this in order to become more liked by
the society around them, but they do not realize that they end up
becoming more like the society around them.  Ghaharamani, when you can
point me to scripture, and show me that I don't know what all 66 books
of the Bible are about, don't even presume to lecture me about its
meaning or content or message.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Let the Bible interpret the Bible, don't inject your own politically
> >correct interpretation into the Word.  Again, if you are a brother in
> >Christ, show me where I go wrong, don't insult my Christ-loving
> >commitment to the Father.
> 
> Nice editting job! It should read "Christ-loving, hindu-hating,
> xenophobic, paranoid, commitment to the Father"
> 
> bahhh..you aren't really THAT ignorant are you???
> 

There you go with that word again, "ignorant."  Maybe you should take
some more English lessons and broaden your vocabulary.  And while you're
at it, go get your parents' Bible, read it, and then show me where I go
wrong.


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Matthew Kruk wrote:
> 
> "D. Olynyk" wrote:
> >
> > This right here is an example of society crumbling.
> >
> > When people with views like this have the power to vote, something is not
> > working right.
> >
> > canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> > >You see, this is what happens when you let heathens and pagans into the
> > >tent and let them run the show.  The Bible gets watered down and all
> > >they pretend to know is that Christians should be wimpy and turn the
> > >other cheek when anti-Christian forces are attacking the foundations of
> > >the Faith.  But this isn't the fault of the Muslims or the Buddhists or
> > >the Hindus, it is the fault of the Christian leadership who have
> > >preached only part of the Bible, only part of the New Testament, and
> > >only part of the Word.  They do this in order to become more liked by
> > >the society around them, but they do not realize that they end up
> > >becoming more like the society around them.  Ghaharamani, when you can
> > >point me to scripture, and show me that I don't know what all 66 books
> > >of the Bible are about, don't even presume to lecture me about its
> > >meaning or content or message.
> 
> Quite frankly, I cannot understand why people are bothering replying to
> this idiot.

There you go, Mark, like I said in the beginning, this is a
post-Christian world we live in.


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> mebesius  wrote:
> 
> > Read Psalm 139:21-22 again, and then ask me the question.
> 
> As I understand your other posts, you associate yourself with Jesus?  His
> interpretation of that Psalm would be that those who hate others are those who
> are hated by G-d.
> 

Do you even own a Bible?  It's very clear that King David was declaring
his hatred for those who hate God.

> Who are you to say that those Sikh neighbours in Surrey don't know G-d better
> than you do?

Don't take it from me, read the Bible, and Jesus said, "I am the way,
the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John
14:6).

He didn't say you could follow Vishnu if you wanted, or Hare Krishna, or
Mohammed, or Gary Glitter, He said He was the way.  How much clearer can
you get than that?

> 
> What would G-d Himself say to you?
> 
> He'd say "Love your neighbour" and "Judge not, lest YOU be judged"

Jesus also said "He that is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). 
And "whosoever shall do the will of my Father who is in heaven, the same
is my brother" (Matthew 12:50).

Separation in Truth is better than unity in compromise.


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote in article <76moa5$1r8@opus.vcn.bc.ca>...
> mebesius  wrote:
> 
> > > If a survey asks canadians if they're willing to remain catholic(or
> > > christian) if they have to follow the rules (which includes declaring
or
> > > sex equal to sodomy), then most canadians no doubt would claim to be
> > > agnostic or undecided.
> >
> > That's the beautiful thing about Christianity, you can be forgiven.  So
> > you don't need to turn your back on God, and He doesn't turn His back
on
> > you, just because you have sinned.   Now, if you are saying that there
> > are no Christians in Canada, because they are all sinners, then you
> > obviously don't know what it means to be human.  We are all sinners,
> > there is none, not one, of us who deserves to be in Heaven without the
> > Grace and Forgiveness of Jesus.  But please, tell us of any your
> > performance-based religions or belief systems in which the adherents
> > live up to their teachings?  Even Satanists are good sometimes.
> 
> Forgiven for what?  Sins that only exist in the minds of the Roman
Catholic
> hierarchy?  eg. there's not a WORD about oral sex in the entire Bible
(Jewish
> or Christian!)


What's your preoccupation with oral sex?

> 
> Unless. . . hmmm. . .
> 
> In olden days "feet" was a euphemism for "penis". . . hmmm. . . when
Jesus
> washed the feet of his disciples, do you think?
> 
> and would it have been wrong if he did?

I don't know why I bother with you.    "It is not *meet to take the
children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs" (Matthew 15:26).  *good

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind" (Matthew 22: 37).




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Mark Mushet wrote:
> 
> Matthew Kruk  wrote:
> 
> >Anthony Buckland wrote:
> 
> >>We really, really, really need to get on with
> >>creating a van.religion group, as was proposed
> >>last year.
> 
> >He's a blatant racist and religion is his excuse.  There, one sentence.
> 
> I think George and Quinn are about to embark on a "30 Year Thread"
> over their religious differences.
> 
> As if anyone needed even more proof that religion was made for
> conflict. Can you imagine the forces of Quinn meeting the forces of
> Pope on the battlefields of Europe around, say, 1625? What a bloody
> mess that would be.
> 
> Quinn is already talking about his abilities with firearms.

In self-defence, you will still allow me that in this country, won't
you?


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John Lauzon  wrote in article
...
> 
>            ...than 'deletes' the ones he/she doesn't like.
> 
> 
>                     What do you call that???...:)
> 

What is TFN?  Is that your Internet provider?  If it is, you need a new
one.  Sad fact these days is that there are people who think it is their
God-given right to censor ideas and people they hate.  Best luck to you and
your fight against censorship!



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bilbo  wrote in article
<368de2cb.270999990@news.trends.net>...
> We Have a winner!
> Worst jobs in the world :
> 
> 1996- Crack Whore
> 1997- Assistant Crack Whore
> 1998- Reader of all of John Lauzon's NG posts.
> 

You don't have to read his posts.  Enable your killfile and you can live in
your own little universe without him.   



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a1995b@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
<76n97o$8ro$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <368ecb5c.21484798@news3.ibm.net>,
>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
> > In <368e7e15.0@nemo.idirect.com>, on Sat, 02 Jan 99 08:15:20 GMT,
> > aq220@torfree.net (Marc Lemire) wrote:
> >
> > >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >                 
> >
> > In respect of the Jewish Question, the Fhrer has decided to make a
> > clean sweep.  He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought
about
> > a world war, they would experience their annihilation in it.  That
> > wasn't just a catch-word.  The world war is here, and the annihilation
> > of Jewry must be the necessary consequence.
> >
> > [Goebbels, Diary entry, December 12, 1941]
> >
> > 
> 
> What the heck does this have to do with the topic??  Paranoia, for what
ever
> reason, can't justify trampling of civil rights.

I guess he is trying to say just imagine what would have happened if
Goebbels had a computer and Internet access!  The nasty Nazis might have
finished the job!

> 
> > --
> > Gord McFee
> > I'll write no line before its time
> >
> > Visit the Holocaust History Project
> > http://www.holocaust-history.org
> >
> > Visit the Nizkor site
> > http://www.nizkor.org
> >
> 
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own  
 
> 


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> 

What you snipped was a news story from CBC Newsworld in which mobs of
Indians attacked Christians, hardly my xenophobic creation.  

> You are German,

I am not.  I'm Canadian, born and raised here.


> I contend that the majority of Immigrants are happy enough to be in this
> country, and *DO* adopt a great deal of the Canadian identity, but at the
> same time, they bring their identities to the table, increasing our
> diversity. 

You say diversity, I say social and moral confusion.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> Well this is rather silly. You place a questionaire in front of an
> individual what religion they best associate themselves with, and they're
> going to say what their parents are.

In other words, they are going to associate themselves with their
traditions and heritage.  

> 
> Examples of this: Q.M. claims to be a good white christian Canadian, but
> he preaches segregation

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget
God" (Psalm 9:17).

>, isolation, 

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14).

>racism, 

"Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that
the heathen should rule over them" (Joel 2:17).

>and hates hindu's.

Where did I say I hate Hindus?  I hate the immigration policy which lets
them into the country, but that's not the same as hating them.

> Love thy
> neighbour...

You want to quote scripture?  Finish it then.  Here's one for you, 

"Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with
those that rise up against thee?  I hate them with perfect hatred: I
count them mine enemies" (Psalm 139:21-22).


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Today, I got down on my knees and prayed, and thanked God for all the
good things in my life.  My wife, my family, and my country.  I thanked
Him for the fact that everyone I love is alive and in good health.  I
thanked Him for the fact that I have a job and that I live in one of the
best countries in the world.  A free and democratic country, where
individual freedom is married with individual responsibililty and social
welfare.  I hope you all have a Happy New Year and I thank God that I
was born and raised in Canada, a country "founded upon principles that
recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law" (Preamble to the
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms).


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Cosmin Corbea wrote:
> 
>
> I don't think that's significant. Inferring one's religious affiliation
> based on what they'll do in a extreme and life threatening situation is not
> fair.

Life's not fair, get used to it.


> If somebody ignores religious rules, declares him/herself an atheist
> and doesn't find a place for church in his life, I wouldn't call him/her
> religious just because he may pray or ask for God's help under extreme
> stress. This wouldn't be a normal situation, and his/her behaviour wouldn't
> be the normal one.

If deep down they didn't believe in God, why wouldn't they ask for the
help of Darwin or evolution?

> For a closer to home example, how many people use
> religious images/quotes/concepts in everyday conversation, without in any
> way implying any religious affiliation? 

Example?  Using the Lord's name in vain is not religious, it is a sin.

>As Terry Pratchett says somewhere,
> it takes a very special kind of atheist to jump around clutching his finger
> and shout "Obsolete and meaningless concept on a crutch!"
> 

Who is Terry Pratchett?  He seems to be about as meaningless as his
words.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> So...what you're basically saying is that for you, hatred is a family
> value.
> 

Read Psalm 139:21-22 again, and then ask me the question.

> We all know you hate anyone none white, and don't bother denying it. You
> wouldn't participate in 'white flight' if you didn't hate or despise your
> neighbours in surrey..

This is a free country, and if I don't want to live in the midst of
Khalistan or Surrey Lanka, then I don't have to.  You like A-Class
autobody and APNA driving school, then you move there.  I don't care for
their choice in monster homes or Punjabi language on their businesses. 
I think it is rude and ignorant.  If they want to speak Punjab, they
should move back to India or keep it within the walls of their
god-forsaken homes.

> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> >>
> >> Well this is rather silly. You place a questionaire in front of an
> >> individual what religion they best associate themselves with, and they're
> >> going to say what their parents are.
> 
> >In other words, they are going to associate themselves with their
> >traditions and heritage.
> 
> >>
> >> Examples of this: Q.M. claims to be a good white christian Canadian, but
> >> he preaches segregation
> 
> >"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget
> >God" (Psalm 9:17).
> 
> >>, isolation,
> 
> >"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
> >fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
> >hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14).
> 
> >>racism,
> 
> >"Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that
> >the heathen should rule over them" (Joel 2:17).
> 
> >>and hates hindu's.
> 
> >Where did I say I hate Hindus?  I hate the immigration policy which lets
> >them into the country, but that's not the same as hating them.
> 
> >> Love thy
> >> neighbour...
> 
> >You want to quote scripture?  Finish it then.  Here's one for you,
> 
> >"Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with
> >those that rise up against thee?  I hate them with perfect hatred: I
> >count them mine enemies" (Psalm 139:21-22).
> --
> `,,,`
> Frederick Ghahramani Esq.
> `,,,`


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> bk469@torfree.net (John Lauzon) writes:
> >But Frederic, it says that 12.5% have NO RELIGION, meaning that question
> >is also asked and that is where you would mark YOUR 'X'...so you loose...:)
> >Have a nice day
> 
> heh heh, :> well I'm willing to admit sticking my head out was somewhat
> wrong with the numbers, but let me put it this way:
> 
> If a survey asks canadians what religion they associate themselves with,
> the majority say catholic.
> 
> If a survey asks canadians if they're willing to remain catholic(or
> christian) if they have to follow the rules (which includes declaring oral
> sex equal to sodomy), then most canadians no doubt would claim to be
> agnostic or undecided.

That's the beautiful thing about Christianity, you can be forgiven.  So
you don't need to turn your back on God, and He doesn't turn His back on
you, just because you have sinned.   Now, if you are saying that there
are no Christians in Canada, because they are all sinners, then you
obviously don't know what it means to be human.  We are all sinners,
there is none, not one, of us who deserves to be in Heaven without the
Grace and Forgiveness of Jesus.  But please, tell us of any your
performance-based religions or belief systems in which the adherents
live up to their teachings?  Even Satanists are good sometimes.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> >No country is made stronger by diversity.  A country has to have core values
> >that its citizens share or it is not a country.  If all we have in common is
> >our diversity, we really have nothing in common.
> 
> Fair enough, you have made a reasonable point, but I'm willing to
> challenge you to define the Canadian Identity. In doing so, you may
> stumble on our willingness to be inclusive, and rather progressive in our
> acceptance of other cultures into our mosaic. no?

If not Christian morality, what morality would you base Canadian society
on?

> 
> >Canada's multi-cult industry (the professional ethnics who get government
> >grants) peddle the line that Canada should embrace all values.  That is
> >nonsense.
> 
> Also, when you speak like the above, referring to 'profession ethnics',
> you risk comprimising your point, and being lumped with Q.M...

Truth hurts, doesn't it?  There are professional grant chasers who
invariably are Third World immigrants, and who complain incessantly
about racism and intolerance.  That's their job.  

Yet, when you ask them what country they are from and why they left,
they go quiet.  Ask them, if Canada is so terrible, why are there so
many people jumping normal immigration procedures and passing themselves
off as "refugees"?   And then they cry racism when we threaten to deport
these cheaters.

BTW, you still haven't told us what country you are from and why you
left.  And what made you think we would change our traditions and
culture just to accommodate your diversity?
 
> 
> >Immigrants to Canada  should be wary of buying into this multi-cult line and,
> >in particular, of believing politicians who peddle this tripe to curry their
> >votes.  It is a sure-fire way of creating conflict with Canada's dominant
> >culture and digging chasms between new-comers and native Canadians.
> 
> Canada's Dominant culture: you mean rap music and american Television
> shows?

Perhaps you should change the channel, and watch Hockey Night in Canada
on CBC.
Or is that more tradition you don't give a shit about?


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Sylvan Korvus wrote:
> 
> In article <368DE345.4FEB@bc.sympatico.ca>, canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> 
> >This is a free country, and if I don't want to live in the midst of
> >Khalistan or Surrey Lanka, then I don't have to.  You like A-Class
> >autobody and APNA driving school, then you move there.  I don't care for
> >their choice in monster homes or Punjabi language on their businesses.
> >I think it is rude and ignorant.  If they want to speak Punjab, they
> >should move back to India or keep it within the walls of their
> >god-forsaken homes.
> 
> Wow. It's so nice to see such a fine example of Christian decency on this
> group. What's even better, is how you seem to be able to find scripture
> [selective evidence] to rationalize your bigoted opinions. I'm sure many
> theologians would disagree that racial intolerance and self-righteous
> arrogance towards non-believers are fundamental prescribed tenets of
> Christian thought.
> ______________________


And it's so nice of you to presume to know the condition of my heart. 
Condemn me will you?  Judge me?  That's not your job.


From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:49:14 EST 1999
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Sylvan Korvus  wrote in article
...
> syber@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea) wrote:
> 
> Religion not only provides an intellectual security blanket, but it does
> provide a valuable social effect in creating strong communities. It is
> good if everyone living in a small town feels an intrinsic trust for one
> another. The drawback, however, is that someone who doesn't share the
same
> belief system is considered an outcast; witness "mebesius" opinion of
> Hindus.

Hindus, and Sikhs and Buddhists and other heathens, bring with them
competing and foreign belief systems and add to the social and moral
confusion in this land.  We are commanded not to associate with the
heathen, or follow their ways, customs or abominations, and "those which ye
let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides,
and shall vex you in the land wherein you dwell" (Numbers 33:55).

"Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that
the heathen should rule over them" (Joel 2:17).

And through affirmative action and employment equity we have caused "The
stranger who is within thee" to "get up above thee very high," so that "he
shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail"  (Deuteronomy 28:43-44).

God have mercy on the nation which turns its back on Him.

BTW, not all non-white, Third World immigrants are heathens.  I know a lot
of Chinese and Korean Christians and they also want tougher immigration
laws to keep out criminals and people who won't try to fit in.  

> 
> 
> It's very difficult for people to "come out" as an atheist, and reject
not
> only the belief system, but the social conventions as well.
>

Nonsense.  Atheism is very trendy these days, almost as trendy as being
homosexual.  But at least there are some homosexuals who still believe in
God and Jesus Christ.  And they will be forgiven.



From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:49:14 EST 1999
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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> >If not Christian morality, what morality would you base Canadian society
> >on?
> 
> Christianity does not have a monopoly on morality! 


Are you telling me that our criminal justice system and its laws are not
based on Judeo-Christian morality?

Name me the pagan religion or morality you think British and
Commonwealth law is based on.


> >Truth hurts, doesn't it?  There are professional grant chasers who
> >invariably are Third World immigrants, and who complain incessantly
> >about racism and intolerance.  That's their job.
> Ooo those damn ethnics! You should work for jacque parizeau!

Been to Quebec, it's a nice place.

> 
> >BTW, you still haven't told us what country you are from and why you
> >left.
> 
> I also haven't shown you my dirty underwear, as you don't have a *right*
> to know my story. In short, I am Canadian,

So you're a Canadian citizen, then you should be equally concerned about
Canadian tradtion and heritage.

 >and I actually enjoy East
> Indian bhangra music,

Good for you, I don't.

 >and chinese music on the radio,

Yes, Chinese music on the airwaves, adding to the noise of a multicult
Utopia.  Love it.

 >unlike you, who is
> kanadian, and is afraid of anyone non-white.

Because I prefer sweet music of Sarah McLachlan to Bindy music, don't
make me afraid of anyone non-white.

BTW, it's Canadian, with a capital "C."  

> 
> >> Canada's Dominant culture: you mean rap music and american Television
> >> shows?
> >Perhaps you should change the channel, and watch Hockey Night in Canada
> >on CBC. Or is that more tradition you don't give a shit about?
> 
> No actually I like hockey, and east indians, kind of hard for you to
> conceive of that idea?
> 

You like hockey, there's hope for you yet.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> >And it's so nice of you to presume to know the condition of my heart.
> >Condemn me will you?  Judge me?  That's not your job.
> 
> "let he who hath not sinned, cast the first stone" [YEAH! high five!:]

Did I ever suggest that I wasn't a sinner?  Here's some more scripture
for you, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye
shall not be condemned: forgive and ye shall be forgiven" (Luke 6:37).

Do you know what this means?  It doesn't mean we shouldn't reprove sin
or discern Truth from lies and soul-destroying behaviour.  It means that
we are supposed to leave the job of final judgement to God.  He will
judge every nation and every soul.


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Sylvan Korvus wrote:
> 
> In article <368E8015.4C91@bc.sympatico.ca>, canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> 
> >And it's so nice of you to presume to know the condition of my heart.
> >Condemn me will you?  Judge me?  That's not your job.
> 
> Hipocrisy at its best! You don't seem to have any compunction about
> condemning or judging new immigrants 

I haven't presumed to cast final judgement on anyone, let alone new
immigrants.  Pointing out what the Bible says about letting the heathen
into our land isn't hypocrisy, it's pointing out our disbobedience to
the Word.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> So Q.M, how's the search going? Found any proof that all those immigrants
> are here to take your free handouts yet? 

That's not what the Globe and Mail article said.  It referred to a
StatsCan report which said almost 50% of family class immigrants don't
plan to work.  Now that figure can easily be explained by the fact that
wives and children and grandmothers and aunts, don't plan to work in
Canada.  I haven't gone to the library yet to get my hands on that Globe
and Mail article, but when I do, you'll know.


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Although _I_ might not want this country to become even more a land of
social and moral confusion and heathen and pagan belief--and the Bible
warns us of the consequences of letting this happen--our Charter of
Rights and Freedoms guarantees us many fundamental freedoms, including
the "freedom of conscience and religion."  So, Christian and Jew, and
Sikh and Hindu, Buddhist and Muslim, Druid, Rastafarian and witch,
atheist and secular humanist, all have the right to associate with each
other and express their beliefs publicly.   This even protects the
annoying Jehovah's Witness when he knocks on your door on Saturday
morning.   Of course it also gives you the right to tell him to go to
Hell.  

You want to flood Canada with even more pagans and heathens, that's your
democratic right to argue for such a thing.  It's also my democratic
right to say it would be a mistake.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
>
> >BTW, it's Canadian, with a capital "C."
> 
> in your Kase, it's Kanadian, with a Kapital "KKK."

No, in your case, it's Kanadian, as in Khalistan.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> HOld on just one minute. Nobody is interfering with your democratic right
> to fight immigration. 

I never claimed anyone was interfering with my democratic rights.

>You're perfectly welcome to participate in your
> 'white flight', to tell us that you think east indians stink, that you
> think chinese people have ruined Richmond.

Thank you for your permission.

> 
> But at the same time, we deserve the democratic right, to tell you that
> you are a racist pig, and an idiot to boot!

Now you're getting it, it's called freedom of speech.

> 
> God I love democracy :-)

So do I!

> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Although _I_ might not want this country to become even more a land of
> >social and moral confusion and heathen and pagan belief--and the Bible
> >warns us of the consequences of letting this happen--our Charter of
> >Rights and Freedoms guarantees us many fundamental freedoms, including
> >the "freedom of conscience and religion."  So, Christian and Jew, and
> >Sikh and Hindu, Buddhist and Muslim, Druid, Rastafarian and witch,
> >atheist and secular humanist, all have the right to associate with each
> >other and express their beliefs publicly.   This even protects the
> >annoying Jehovah's Witness when he knocks on your door on Saturday
> >morning.   Of course it also gives you the right to tell him to go to
> >Hell.
> 
> >You want to flood Canada with even more pagans and heathens, that's your
> >democratic right to argue for such a thing.  It's also my democratic
> >right to say it would be a mistake.


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Subject: White Nation or Christian Nation?
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I've been asked, given my past involvement in the White nationalist
movement, that if I had to choose between living in a White nation or a
Christian nation, which one would I choose?  

First, let me say that I have only lived in Canada, a country where Whites
are the majority, so I don't know what it is like to live in a country
where Whites are the minority.  But I do know that I have enjoyed a certain
level of comfort and quality of life living in a Canada where Whites are
the majority.  Let me also add that Whites throughout history have been the
protectors of the Christian Faith and have ensured its survival and gone
into all the world and preached the gospel to every soul. 
 
However, if I was pushed against a wall and only given two choices, between
1) a predominantly Christian nation, where Whites are the minority, and 2)
a predominantly heathen and pagan nation, where Whites are the majority, I
would pick the Christian nation, without hesitation.  

Now, there are former "friends" of mine in the "movement" who wouldn't be
happy with what I just said.  But that's their problem, not mine.   I am
Christian before I am White. 

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many
of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is
neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither
male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if ye be
Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seen, and heirs according to the promise"
(Galatians 3:26-29).



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mebesius wrote:
> 
> I've been asked, given my past involvement in the White nationalist
> movement, that if I had to choose between living in a White nation or a
> Christian nation, which one would I choose?
> 
> First, let me say that I have only lived in Canada, a country where Whites
> are the majority, so I don't know what it is like to live in a country
> where Whites are the minority.  But I do know that I have enjoyed a certain
> level of comfort and quality of life living in a Canada where Whites are
> the majority.  Let me also add that Whites throughout history have been the
> protectors of the Christian Faith and have ensured its survival and gone
> into all the world and preached the gospel to every soul.
> 
> However, if I was pushed against a wall and only given two choices, between
> 1) a predominantly Christian nation, where Whites are the minority, and 2)
> a predominantly heathen and pagan nation, where Whites are the majority, I
> would pick the Christian nation, without hesitation.
> 
> Now, there are former "friends" of mine in the "movement" who wouldn't be
> happy with what I just said.  But that's their problem, not mine.   I am
> Christian before I am White.
> 
> "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many
> of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is
> neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither
> male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if ye be
> Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise"
> (Galatians 3:26-29).

"Abraham's seen" should have been "Abraham's seed" in the original
posting.


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a1995b@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> 
> 
> After the last few weeks, I'd swear the masses worship at the local shopping
> mall.  Pre and post Christmas sales made areas around any mall look like a
> pilgrimage to mecca.
> 
> Let's not forget the signs of unity and seasonal joy we keep sending to our
> fellow man;  you know, the middle finger extended and displayed while trying
> to park.
> 
> And finally, why don't we have Christmas in the summer when the malls are less
> crowded???   :)


Now there's a man with a sense of humour.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> 
> what you are saying
> hints that we should take in those who are of immediate benefit to our
> country [ie. software developers, and other 'ringers'].
> 
> The problem with that ofcourse is that it doesn't take into consideration
> other extenuating circumstances. Like threat of life, or endangerment of
> family etc. If a labourer floats the atlantic on a piece of wood, fleeing
> his war torn country, then I am willing to accept him into my country,


How many unskilled or semi-skilled "immigrants" float across the
Atlantic or the Pacific on a piece of driftwood?  We don't need any of
them, we have too many unemployed Canadians who want jobs, but can't
find any.  Before one immigrant or bogus refugee steps off the plane or
boat, we should make sure that every Canadian who wants a job, has one.  
What?  You say Canadians don't have the high-tech skills for the jobs
that do exist, well then we should train them for those jobs.  We owe it
to them, before we allow one of your friends to float in through customs
with bogus documents or their hard luck stories.


> I
> am willing to help him get his life in order.

What, you are going to personally sponsor Buddy?  Or do you expect the
rest of us Canadian taxpayers, who are already living hand-to-mouth, to
even pay more taxes to help Buddy?


 
> 
> At current standing, perhaps some of the rules of th epoint system need to
> be reworked, perhaps some loopholes need to be closed, 


No, we have to go back to the old system, get rid of the
family-reunification class, and increase the number of immigrants as a
percentage who will increase the productivity of the country.


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[from CBC Newsworld Online]

Opposition blames Hindu extremists for
                   attacks 
                   WebPosted Sat Jan 2 15:26:34 1999 

                   NEW DELHI - India's main opposition party says a wave
of recent attacks
                   on Christians appears to be a campaign by Hindu
hardliners to whip up
                   conflict. 

                   Police detained 45 Hindus Friday in connection with
the torching of a
                   Catholic prayer hall by a mob in the western state of
Gujarat. Four nuns
                   and two priests were injured in the 10th reported
attack against Christians
                   since Christmas. 

                   No one has claimed responsibility. 

                   But the Congress Party and Christian activists blame
Hindu right-wing
                   activists, including the World Hindu Council.


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In article <368DE1AC.24EB@bc.sympatico.ca>,
  canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> Steven C. Britton wrote:
> >
> > badams@cow-net.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-violence, anti-religious
> > > intolerance, anti-homophobe etc etc, are now considered proper
> > > forms of socialization in secular society.
>
> Yes, it's politically correct, but the road to hell is paved with the
> good intentions of your kind.  Problem with religion is, if it proclaims
> in any way that some things are wrong and other things are right, is
> that it is intolerant of immoral behaviour.  What are you going to do,
> line up all the Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, and Christians, and shoot them?
>
> >
> > The problem is that it is taught that these "groups" need special rights and
> > privelidges.
>
> Affirmative action reinforces stereotypes about minorities and their
> inferiority.  Why else would they need special treatment if they weren't
> inferior?
>
> >
> > They don't.
> >
> > > I don't frown on pregnant teenagers for having sex.
>
> How young would you let your daughter have sex?  16?  15?  14?  13?
> 12teen?  And how old would like the man to be?  Would it bother you if
> he was, say, 30?  How about 40?  Pushing any buttons here?  If you
> oppose religious intolerance, what kind of morality would give you the
> right to oppose the alternative lifestyles of pedophiles?
>
> >
> > I do.
> >
> > > I think sex and teenagers is a natural thing.
> >
> > It is natural for teenagers to feel urges and desires they don't fully
> > understand, and it is therefore necessary for parents to instill the
> > appropriate values that go with sex to ensure that teenagers understand when
> > and where it is appropriate to have sex -- usually not before age 25.
> >
> > > I do frown on unprotected sex though, because of STD's and unwanted
> > > pregnancies.
> >
>
> So, as long as your daughter doesn't get knocked up or herpes, you don't
> care when she starts having sex, or with who, right?
>

I really would like to see how you answer the questions I posed to you Mr.
Adams.  I'd like to know what kind of Mickey Mouse morality you believe in and
how that "anti-religious intolerant" morality can condemn pedophilia or incest
when you are against intolerance of any kind.

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a1995b@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
<76n97o$8ro$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <368ecb5c.21484798@news3.ibm.net>,
>   gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:
> > In <368e7e15.0@nemo.idirect.com>, on Sat, 02 Jan 99 08:15:20 GMT,
> > aq220@torfree.net (Marc Lemire) wrote:
> >
> > >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >                 
> >
> > In respect of the Jewish Question, the Fhrer has decided to make a
> > clean sweep.  He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought
about
> > a world war, they would experience their annihilation in it.  That
> > wasn't just a catch-word.  The world war is here, and the annihilation
> > of Jewry must be the necessary consequence.
> >
> > [Goebbels, Diary entry, December 12, 1941]
> >
> > 
> 
> What the heck does this have to do with the topic??  Paranoia, for what
ever
> reason, can't justify trampling of civil rights.

I guess he is trying to say just imagine what would have happened if
Goebbels had a computer and Internet access!  The nasty Nazis might have
finished the job!

> 
> > --
> > Gord McFee
> > I'll write no line before its time
> >
> > Visit the Holocaust History Project
> > http://www.holocaust-history.org
> >
> > Visit the Nizkor site
> > http://www.nizkor.org
> >
> 
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Frank Andrew Buchan, III wrote:
> 
> At what point in history has being white had anything to do with being
> Christian? 

You obviously missed the point of my post.  Read it again, and realize
that I said all Christians are brothers and sisters in Christ, part of
Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise.


> As for the contention "Whites" are the majority in Canada.... Where do you
> live? I'm not trying to be a prick, but in British Columbia 

Go to the StatsCan Web site and there you will see the latest 1996
Census figures, and you will see that Whites are still the majority in
Canada.  

>but that doesn't even come close to supporting
> the claim that Christians outnumber other forms of worship.

Again, go to the StatsCan Web site, and there too you will see that
Christians are the majority in Canada.





> mebesius wrote in message <01be36d7$f7001980$824034d1@nameserver.sfu.ca>...
> >I've been asked, given my past involvement in the White nationalist
> >movement, that if I had to choose between living in a White nation or a
> >Christian nation, which one would I choose?
> >
> >First, let me say that I have only lived in Canada, a country where Whites
> >are the majority, so I don't know what it is like to live in a country
> >where Whites are the minority.  But I do know that I have enjoyed a certain
> >level of comfort and quality of life living in a Canada where Whites are
> >the majority.  Let me also add that Whites throughout history have been the
> >protectors of the Christian Faith and have ensured its survival and gone
> >into all the world and preached the gospel to every soul.
> >
> >However, if I was pushed against a wall and only given two choices, between
> >1) a predominantly Christian nation, where Whites are the minority, and 2)
> >a predominantly heathen and pagan nation, where Whites are the majority, I
> >would pick the Christian nation, without hesitation.
> >
> >Now, there are former "friends" of mine in the "movement" who wouldn't be
> >happy with what I just said.  But that's their problem, not mine.   I am
> >Christian before I am White.
> >
> >"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many
> >of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is
> >neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither
> >male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if ye be
> >Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise"
> >(Galatians 3:26-29).
> >


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> 
>
> You, also, may be forgiven, if you repent(turn away) from your anti G-d hatred
> with a contrite(broken) heart.
> 

I don't hate God, and how dare you convict me with that charge!  I don't
presume to know the condition of your heart, how dare you presume to
know mine!  Moreover, you don't see me parading around the Internet
calling myself a cyber-Pope like you do.  If you think I am in error,
show me, point me in the right direction, show me the scripture, don't
condemn me with the ultimate judgement that I hate God.  Love your
Christian neighbour, hate those who hate God.


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> suture@portal.ca (Mark Mushet) wrote:
> 
> MM> mebesius  wrote:
> MM> >"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye
> MM> >shall not be condemned: forgive and ye shall be forgiven" (Luke 6:37).
> MM>
> MM> >Do you know what this means?  It doesn't mean we shouldn't reprove sin
> MM> >or discern Truth from lies and soul-destroying behaviour.  It means that
> MM> >we are supposed to leave the job of final judgement to God.  He will
> MM> >judge every nation and every soul.
> 
> MM> Translation:
> MM> I've got a license to hate and behave like an animal. If you don't
> MM> like it, take it up with my supervisor.
> 
> Actually, he's full of crap, the verse he quoted only means that we should NOT
> judge or condemn, there's nothing in there about exceptions to such. . .
> Mebesius has interjected his own wishes and attempted self-justification into a
> very straight-forwardly worded piece of Scripture!
> 
>

Let the Bible interpret the Bible, don't inject your own politically
correct interpretation into the Word.  Again, if you are a brother in
Christ, show me where I go wrong, don't insult my Christ-loving
commitment to the Father.


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Frank Andrew Buchan, III wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I did miss the point of your post. No denying that I usually miss

> the point where most things are concerned.
> Even StatsCan is not objective in
> its statistical gathering. The questionnaires are too vague, and often
> simply too short to really reveal the depth of variance in the population.
> I've worked in government as a planner, and know that numbers can be made to
> lie to suit the political agendas of those in charge. Statistics are simply
> numbers. Human beings are far too complex to categorise.


I'll give you that, humans are complex.  But if we are to make any
generalizations about the Canadian population, StatsCan is a pretty good
source.  And if you check StatsCan's latest figures, you will find that
Whites and Christians are a majority in Canada.


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Ooozing Machismo wrote:
> 
> Good article.  I deplore the anti-Christian attacks by supporters of India's
> right-wing government, however, what the hell does this have to do with
> recent immigrants to Canada? Surely, you can appreciate that minorities have
> the right to free speech (if not, perhaps the "recent immigrants" have a
> better understanding of Canada's democratic traditions than you do.)

Of course they do, I was only born and raised here, and somehow I even
made it through university.

 
> BTW, are anti-Christian acts by barely literate Hindu extremists in rural
> India your model of how Canada should treat recent immigrants? What little
> about democracy you know!

How do you know they are "barely literate Hindu extremists" (your words,
not mine)?  That is a racist statement, and its yours.


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In article <76kmvj$lvt$1@morgoth.sfu.ca>,
  fghahram@sfu.ca (Fredrick Ghahramani) wrote:
> So...what you're basically saying is that for you, hatred is a family
> value.
>
> We all know you hate anyone none white, and don't bother denying it. You
> wouldn't participate in 'white flight' if you didn't hate or despise your
> neighbours in surrey..

Why is it that "white flight" is inherently racist, but your immigrant friends
moving to their ethnic enclaves isn't?  Perhaps your East Indian friends share
the same supposed hate-filled and bigoted family values.

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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >know mine!  Moreover, you don't see me parading around the Internet
> >calling myself a cyber-Pope like you do.  If you think I am in error,
> >show me, point me in the right direction, show me the scripture, don't
> >condemn me with the ultimate judgement that I hate God.  Love your
> >Christian neighbour, hate those who hate God.
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Jesus shit, you are so bloody ignorant!!! Who said muslims hate God? WHy
> do you hate HIndu's? You can't sanction your hatred as doing gods work.
> It's pretty bloody transparent that you're using your religion as a reason
> to hate. Everybody who has ever run across your posts can figuire that
> out,...man, why do you even try? You've thus far been attacked from both
> sides: your thoughts disgust any rational person, your thoughts are not
> congruent to anything christian, and you give christians a bad name
> 
> Anyone willing to take bets mebesius will fail that 'turn the other cheek'
> test?

You see, this is what happens when you let heathens and pagans into the
tent and let them run the show.  The Bible gets watered down and all
they pretend to know is that Christians should be wimpy and turn the
other cheek when anti-Christian forces are attacking the foundations of
the Faith.  But this isn't the fault of the Muslims or the Buddhists or
the Hindus, it is the fault of the Christian leadership who have
preached only part of the Bible, only part of the New Testament, and
only part of the Word.  They do this in order to become more liked by
the society around them, but they do not realize that they end up
becoming more like the society around them.  Ghaharamani, when you can
point me to scripture, and show me that I don't know what all 66 books
of the Bible are about, don't even presume to lecture me about its
meaning or content or message.


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Ooozing Machismo wrote:
> 
> As I wrote regarding your previous posting, a good article. Just goes to to
> show that religious right wingers -- whether Indian Hindus, Arab Moslem
> fundamentalists, Israeli Jewish Haredim or white Canadian Christian
> extremists like you -- are by nature intolerant. Thanks for proving my
> point. Long live secular humanism!
> 
> 

Nothing more intolerant than a secular humanist or a communist.  Lenin,
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro... Canadian communists who are just as
intolerant would include anti-free speech agitators David Lethbridge and
Alan Dutton.  

BTW, abortion doctor, and slaughterhouse franchise owner, Henry
Morgentaler is one of your best, well-known secular humanists.  It's
good to see that "humanists" like to cut and slice and dice the
beginnings of that humanity they so much value.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Let the Bible interpret the Bible, don't inject your own politically
> >correct interpretation into the Word.  Again, if you are a brother in
> >Christ, show me where I go wrong, don't insult my Christ-loving
> >commitment to the Father.
> 
> Nice editting job! It should read "Christ-loving, hindu-hating,
> xenophobic, paranoid, commitment to the Father"
> 
> bahhh..you aren't really THAT ignorant are you???
> 

There you go with that word again, "ignorant."  Maybe you should take
some more English lessons and broaden your vocabulary.  And while you're
at it, go get your parents' Bible, read it, and then show me where I go
wrong.


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Matthew Kruk wrote:
> 
> "D. Olynyk" wrote:
> >
> > This right here is an example of society crumbling.
> >
> > When people with views like this have the power to vote, something is not
> > working right.
> >
> > canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> > >You see, this is what happens when you let heathens and pagans into the
> > >tent and let them run the show.  The Bible gets watered down and all
> > >they pretend to know is that Christians should be wimpy and turn the
> > >other cheek when anti-Christian forces are attacking the foundations of
> > >the Faith.  But this isn't the fault of the Muslims or the Buddhists or
> > >the Hindus, it is the fault of the Christian leadership who have
> > >preached only part of the Bible, only part of the New Testament, and
> > >only part of the Word.  They do this in order to become more liked by
> > >the society around them, but they do not realize that they end up
> > >becoming more like the society around them.  Ghaharamani, when you can
> > >point me to scripture, and show me that I don't know what all 66 books
> > >of the Bible are about, don't even presume to lecture me about its
> > >meaning or content or message.
> 
> Quite frankly, I cannot understand why people are bothering replying to
> this idiot.

There you go, Mark, like I said in the beginning, this is a
post-Christian world we live in.


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Patrick Lepine wrote:
> 
> In article <01be36d7$f7001980$824034d1@nameserver.sfu.ca>, "mebesius"  wrote:
> 
> >
> >However, if I was pushed against a wall and only given two choices
> 
> Stop contributing to our fantasies.  The idea of you being put against  a wall
> with a row of men with rifles facing you is too delicious to contemplate.

It's good to see that you tolerate freedom of speech and political
discussion which isn't constrained by today's multicult orthodoxy.  Word
of advice, if you do try to take me out, make sure it's a good shot,
'cause I will return fire and I am a good shot.


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> mebesius  wrote:
> 
> > Read Psalm 139:21-22 again, and then ask me the question.
> 
> As I understand your other posts, you associate yourself with Jesus?  His
> interpretation of that Psalm would be that those who hate others are those who
> are hated by G-d.
> 

Do you even own a Bible?  It's very clear that King David was declaring
his hatred for those who hate God.

> Who are you to say that those Sikh neighbours in Surrey don't know G-d better
> than you do?

Don't take it from me, read the Bible, and Jesus said, "I am the way,
the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John
14:6).

He didn't say you could follow Vishnu if you wanted, or Hare Krishna, or
Mohammed, or Gary Glitter, He said He was the way.  How much clearer can
you get than that?

> 
> What would G-d Himself say to you?
> 
> He'd say "Love your neighbour" and "Judge not, lest YOU be judged"

Jesus also said "He that is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). 
And "whosoever shall do the will of my Father who is in heaven, the same
is my brother" (Matthew 12:50).

Separation in Truth is better than unity in compromise.


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gapope@vcn.bc.ca wrote in article <76moa5$1r8@opus.vcn.bc.ca>...
> mebesius  wrote:
> 
> > > If a survey asks canadians if they're willing to remain catholic(or
> > > christian) if they have to follow the rules (which includes declaring
or
> > > sex equal to sodomy), then most canadians no doubt would claim to be
> > > agnostic or undecided.
> >
> > That's the beautiful thing about Christianity, you can be forgiven.  So
> > you don't need to turn your back on God, and He doesn't turn His back
on
> > you, just because you have sinned.   Now, if you are saying that there
> > are no Christians in Canada, because they are all sinners, then you
> > obviously don't know what it means to be human.  We are all sinners,
> > there is none, not one, of us who deserves to be in Heaven without the
> > Grace and Forgiveness of Jesus.  But please, tell us of any your
> > performance-based religions or belief systems in which the adherents
> > live up to their teachings?  Even Satanists are good sometimes.
> 
> Forgiven for what?  Sins that only exist in the minds of the Roman
Catholic
> hierarchy?  eg. there's not a WORD about oral sex in the entire Bible
(Jewish
> or Christian!)


What's your preoccupation with oral sex?

> 
> Unless. . . hmmm. . .
> 
> In olden days "feet" was a euphemism for "penis". . . hmmm. . . when
Jesus
> washed the feet of his disciples, do you think?
> 
> and would it have been wrong if he did?

I don't know why I bother with you.    "It is not *meet to take the
children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs" (Matthew 15:26).  *good

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind" (Matthew 22: 37).




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ooozingmachismo@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> > > mebesius  writes:
> 
> >
> > Because I prefer sweet music of Sarah McLachlan to Bindy music, don't
> > make me afraid of anyone non-white.
> 
> ----------------reply seperator---------------
> 
> Mebesius my man, you do have some good taste! I'm a huge fan of Sarah,
> enjoyed myself rather immensely at Lilith Fair this past summer. However, I
> often wonder why you and your fellow travellers on the nationalist right
> would like Sarah or any of the other Lilith Fair singers. (Or for that
> matter, most alternative musicians, white or otherwise....on another forum, I
> had a running battle with an anti-rap rightwinger who claimed that white
> singers such as Alanis were far more talented than most hip-hop singers. I
> agreed with him, yet wondered if he was ignorant of Alanis interest in
> Hinduism, Indian fashion, food, etc.) Have you seen her videos, listened to
> her lyrics, and ESPECIALLY her interviews? She is generally left wing,
> describes herself as a feminist, is pro-choice and has expressed a liking for
> Eastern religions and philosophy........as have Tori Amos, Alanis Morrissette
> and others in her circle. In short, Sarah's views (based on her interviews,
> music, and circle of friends) on most major issues are probably more in line
> with your ideological enemies than with yourself. Good that you like her
> though, there's hope for ye yet.
> 
>

There's a lot of musicians and groups that I like, that I don't agree
with everything they say in their lyrics or what they say in public. 
Here are some of my favourites : Sting, Peter Gabriel, The Jam, The
Smiths, Korn, Prodigy, Nirvana, David Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, STP,
Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, Nine Inch Nails, Rage
Against the Machine, White Zombie, and Marilyn Manson.


From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:49:32 EST 1999
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ooozingmachismo@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> Actually, I heard on BBC (from an Indian analyst) that those most attracted
> to Hindu extremism were the "undereducated and underemployed", though the
> leadership is often highly educated. Ironically, quite a few of the most
> rabid Hindu bigots were educated at Western Universities. Obviously, in the
> course of their studies, these people didn't learn anything about Jefferson,
> Voltaire, or freedom of conscience and religion. Regardless of their
> education, my question to you still stands, are these Hindu extremists the
> sort of people you want to emulate (in the treatment of recent immigrants to
> Canada)? If not, why include the story in can.politics? Does it not belong in
> a forum such as alt.politics.india or some such forum?

That wasn't what I was arguing, I was saying that we do a pretty good
job here in Canada giving minorities freedoms and protecting those
freedoms.  And those recent immigrants from places like India where
minorities don't fare very good, should keep that in mind when they
start putting Canada down.


From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:49:34 EST 1999
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Mark Mushet wrote:
> 
> Matthew Kruk  wrote:
> 
> >Anthony Buckland wrote:
> 
> >>We really, really, really need to get on with
> >>creating a van.religion group, as was proposed
> >>last year.
> 
> >He's a blatant racist and religion is his excuse.  There, one sentence.
> 
> I think George and Quinn are about to embark on a "30 Year Thread"
> over their religious differences.
> 
> As if anyone needed even more proof that religion was made for
> conflict. Can you imagine the forces of Quinn meeting the forces of
> Pope on the battlefields of Europe around, say, 1625? What a bloody
> mess that would be.
> 
> Quinn is already talking about his abilities with firearms.

In self-defence, you will still allow me that in this country, won't
you?


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ooozingmachismo@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
>  True some are of the Marxist bent, but that's like pointing to
> the great number of racists and neo-Nazis that profess Christianity and
> immediately concluding that Christianity is by its very nature a "racist
> religion". I don't believe that.
> 

And Christianity isn't racist, I am.  Look, I have admitted my racist
past, I've said that I've tried to shake  those feelings and thoughts,
and that I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully get rid of those
thoughts.  I've been honest here.  I don't like race, I don't ever want
to talk about race, I hate it, it has done nothing good for me, it has
fucked up my life, it's a waste of time.   Whenever someone at work asks
me for racist material or contacts, I tell them they don't want to mess
with that shit, and if they want to pollute their head with it, they're
going to have to do it with out me.  Every day I wake up, and pray that
I won't be consumed by it, I hate it, don't fuckin' bring it up around
me, I don't want to be provoked by it, the littlest thing brings it all
back, it's a fucking reflex, I go off, and that's that.  I rant and I
rave and spout off all sorts of shit I later regret.  I'll talk to you
about the economic reasons for or against immigration, but I'm not going
to get involved in any race-based discussions.  I can't do it, without
snapping.  And any of you potential angry white males out there,
thinking about getting involved in the "movement," don't!  It has
nothing for you, but bullshit.  It will ruin your life, it's like
alcohol or drugs, once you're hooked, you will never be able to live a
day in your life without thinking about it.   There are more important
things in life to worry about than racist bullshit.


From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:49:35 EST 1999
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mebesius  wrote in article
<01be386b$67792000$7d7434d1@nameserver.sfu.ca>...
> 
> 
> David Deilley  wrote in article
> <36917B68.55C568A3@coastnet.com>...
> > mebesius wrote:
> >  
> > > Christianity isn't racist, I am.  Look, I have admitted my racist
> > > past, I've said that I've tried to shake  those feelings and
thoughts,
> > > and that I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully get rid of those
> > > thoughts.  I've been honest here.  I don't like race, I don't ever
want
> > > to talk about race, I hate it, it has done nothing good for me, it
has
> > > fucked up my life, it's a waste of time.   Whenever someone at work
> asks
> > > me for racist material or contacts, I tell them they don't want to
mess
> > > with that shit, and if they want to pollute their head with it,
they're
> > > going to have to do it with out me.  Every day I wake up, and pray
that
> > > I won't be consumed by it, I hate it, don't fuckin' bring it up
around
> > > me, I don't want to be provoked by it, the littlest thing brings it
all
> > > back, it's a fucking reflex, I go off, and that's that.  I rant and I
> > > rave and spout off all sorts of shit I later regret.  I'll talk to
you
> > > about the economic reasons for or against immigration, but I'm not
> going
> > > to get involved in any race-based discussions.  I can't do it,
without
> > > snapping.  And any of you potential angry white males out there,
> > > thinking about getting involved in the "movement," don't!  It has
> > > nothing for you, but bullshit.  It will ruin your life, it's like
> > > alcohol or drugs, once you're hooked, you will never be able to live
a
> > > day in your life without thinking about it.   There are more
important
> > > things in life to worry about than racist bullshit.
> > 
> > Amen!
> > Most of us become smaller and narrower when we dive into this newsgroup
> > - here's somebody actually struggling to grow.  Interesting...
> > Hmmmmm....
> 
> 
> I can't tell you how many times and how many days for so many years I
have
> told myself,  "This is the day I stop letting it ruin my life."  Then I
> turn on my computer, go online, and do exactly what I said I wasn't going
> to do, and let it make me into a person I never wanted to become.  But
> today, come hell or high water, I wasn't going to let that stuff which
> normally would have provoked an angry, racist response from me to stop
me,
> and I wanted you all to know that I don't like what I have become.  But
> more importantly, and this is most important,  I want to warn all of you
> out there on the fringe of the "movement," to not get any deeper in the
> movement, or ruin your life dealing with that shit.   It's not worth it,
> and it's all bullshit.  Believe me, I've spent too many years of my life
> making it.
> 
>

And let me add that I regret it, and I'm ashamed.  Don't make my mistake,
none of you! 



From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:49:36 EST 1999
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ooozingmachismo@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I guess it's possible to like someone's music but not what they stand
> for. I myself for example, live Wagner, but hate his anti-semetism and German
> ultra-nationalism. Just out of curiousity, what does a Christian like
> yourself think of "Heresy" by the Nine Inch Nails?

Actually, "heresy" and "closer" are my favourite songs on "the downward
spriral" CD.  If you like those two songs, then you'll probably like
David Bowie's "no control" on his "outside" CD, and Marilyn Manson's
"irresponsible hate anthem" and "little horn" on the "anti-christ
superstar" Cd.

Of course, there are a lot of non-Christian and anti-God stuff in the
lyrics and beliefs of many of the groups I mentioned, but I don't think
I'll become a Satanist just because I listen to Nine Inch Nails or
Marilyn Manson.  I like the music first, and sometimes the lyrics can be
justified criticism of many of my own beliefs.  

> -------------reply seperator----------------
> 
> In article <36912EFD.74A7@bc.sympatico.ca>,
>   canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> 
> > There's a lot of musicians and groups that I like, that I don't agree
> > with everything they say in their lyrics or what they say in public.
> > Here are some of my favourites : Sting, Peter Gabriel, The Jam, The
> > Smiths, Korn, Prodigy, Nirvana, David Bowie, Fleetwood Mac, STP,
> > Radiohead, The Smashing Pumpkins, Beastie Boys, Nine Inch Nails, Rage
> > Against the Machine, White Zombie, and Marilyn Manson.
> >
> 
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ooozingmachismo@hotmail.com wrote in article
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> I never said that Christianity was racist.

I wasn't directing my post to you specifically, but to everyone is this
newsgroup.

 >Personally, I always saw it as a
> religion of peace, tolerance, and universal brotherhood. What I did say
was
> that many racists (the KKK, Aryan Nations, "Identity" Christians, David
Duke,
> Hitler) profess to being Christians.

They mine the Bible and find justification for their racial separation, but
they misinterpret other parts of the Bible where it is made clear that this
Biblical separation refers to the separation between believers and
non-believers, and they ignore Galatians 3:26-29, where it is made even
clearer that "we are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus," and
"if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the
promise."
 
 

> ------------reply seperator----------------
> 
> In article <36913426.7A41@bc.sympatico.ca>,
>   canadian@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:
> 
> > And Christianity isn't racist, I am.  Look, I have admitted my racist
> > past, I've said that I've tried to shake  those feelings and thoughts,
> > and that I don't know if I'll ever be able to fully get rid of those
> > thoughts.  I've been honest here.  I don't like race, I don't ever want
> > to talk about race, I hate it, it has done nothing good for me, it has
> > fucked up my life, it's a waste of time.   Whenever someone at work
asks
> > me for racist material or contacts, I tell them they don't want to mess
> > with that shit, and if they want to pollute their head with it, they're
> > going to have to do it with out me.  Every day I wake up, and pray that
> > I won't be consumed by it, I hate it, don't fuckin' bring it up around
> > me, I don't want to be provoked by it, the littlest thing brings it all
> > back, it's a fucking reflex, I go off, and that's that.  I rant and I
> > rave and spout off all sorts of shit I later regret.  I'll talk to you
> > about the economic reasons for or against immigration, but I'm not
going
> > to get involved in any race-based discussions.  I can't do it, without
> > snapping.  And any of you potential angry white males out there,
> > thinking about getting involved in the "movement," don't!  It has
> > nothing for you, but bullshit.  It will ruin your life, it's like
> > alcohol or drugs, once you're hooked, you will never be able to live a
> > day in your life without thinking about it.   There are more important
> > things in life to worry about than racist bullshit.
> >
> 
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> 


From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 14:49:37 EST 1999
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Steve Ranta wrote:
> 
> News of B.C.'s latest tax cut, along with rhetoric from the B.C. finance
> minister that spending will be cut to the bone, shows that the NDP has
> joined the list of political parties who pander to corporate, rather than
> public, interest.

Are you serious?  Or are you being sarcastic?  The B.C. government has
been spending.  We are only half way through the fiscal year and already
the government says we have a $659 million deficit, which will be added
to the $31 billion dollar provincial debt.  With all this spending you
would think we would have more jobs than we know what to do with.   

What happens when you keep spending money you don't have, and increasing
your debt?  The amount of money you have left for necessities like food
and clothing and housing decreases, as the money you must pay in
interest increases.  Is this where you want our tax dollars to go,
interest payments?  If we don't get a handle on the provincial debt,
health care and education and welfare, will be cut even more than if we
deal with it now.


From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Wed Jan  6 15:30:44 EST 1999
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John Lauzon  wrote in article
...
> 
>            ...than 'deletes' the ones he/she doesn't like.
> 
> 
>                     What do you call that???...:)
> 

What is TFN?  Is that your Internet provider?  If it is, you need a new
one.  Sad fact these days is that there are people who think it is their
God-given right to censor ideas and people they hate.  Best luck to you and
your fight against censorship!



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bilbo  wrote in article
<368de2cb.270999990@news.trends.net>...
> We Have a winner!
> Worst jobs in the world :
> 
> 1996- Crack Whore
> 1997- Assistant Crack Whore
> 1998- Reader of all of John Lauzon's NG posts.
> 

You don't have to read his posts.  Enable your killfile and you can live in
your own little universe without him.   



From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Thu Jan  7 14:20:55 EST 1999
Article: 326028 of alt.revisionism
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From: canadian@bc.sympatico.ca
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism Spam ( ((((( False News ))))))
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:13:15 GMT
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Some idiot must be having fun, the shit below isn't mine.  As a rule, I don't
post in alt.revisionsism, because I don't give a shit about it.


In article <1201800052081871@scruze.org>,
  mebesius  wrote:
> >
> >I sympathize, however, I am not sensitive to such whatsoever. Boger is a
> >piece of filth who has stepped so far beyond the bounds of normal decency
> >and courtesy that he has forfeited any right to be treated civilly.
> >Morevover, after listening for the last couple of years to his non-stop
> >hypocrisy, fanatical Nazi apologia, malicious lies, and anti-Semiticic
> >diatribes that Streicher would envy, I do not feel compelled to be quite
> >so forgiving as you seem to be.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >Mark
>
> Now THAT is a saver!
>
>

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From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Thu Jan  7 14:20:55 EST 1999
Article: 326029 of alt.revisionism
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From: canadian@bc.sympatico.ca
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Holocaust Calendar: December 16
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:14:37 GMT
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Crap below does not belong to me nor did it originate from me.  It's not mine.

In article <0601992240545838@aeonial.net>,
  mebesius  wrote:
> Happy New Year  1999 !!
>
> Year of Y2K panic !!!
>
> GOD will Save HIS people
> from this Y2K mess.
>
>      .          .             .            .     .
>           .            .          ..      .     .      ..
>  YJK  ><>  ><>  ><>   ><>  ><>  ><>   ><>
>
>

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From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Thu Jan  7 14:20:56 EST 1999
Article: 326031 of alt.revisionism
From: "mebesius" 
Subject: All postings from "me" are not mine!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Organization: Buy Canadian!  Support Canadian workers and families.
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As a rule, I don't post in alt.revisionism, because I don't give a shit
about it.  And this is the last one I plan on posting in this newsgroup. 
All future postings to this newsgroup are not mine.  Any postings from
"mebesius" or "canadian@bc.sympatico.ca" are not mine.



From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Thu Jan  7 14:20:56 EST 1999
Article: 326032 of alt.revisionism
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From: canadian@bc.sympatico.ca
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism Spam ( ((((( False News ))))))
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:08:34 GMT
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The shit below does not belong to me.
Check the headers and you'll know that it's not mine.


In article <1201800102549457@dethrone.org>,
  mebesius  wrote:
> chris_jericho@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> <75f002$a2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >In article <75eh4a$jla@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
> >  "Koshercook"  wrote:
> >> Tellntrth wrote in message
> <19981217104035.29670.00000590@ng13.aol.com>...
> >> >>Subject: JEWISH GENCODICAL ACTIONS IN WORLD HISTORY
> >> >>From: "Koshercook" 
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>Lazar Kaganovich: Stalin's Mass Murderer
> >> >>American Times Today
> >> >
> >> >What the poster fails to recognize -  read exactly what he posted:
> >> >"Stalin's mass murderer" This shows who the coruptor is. In fact it is
> not
> >> the
> >> >Jew but the white christian Stalin. "Stalin's mass murderer" - not the
> >> other
> >> >way around. Stalin butchered more whites than hitler - though its a
> close
> >> >contest. Stalin is of course a white christian male. Oh sure they'lll
> try
> >> to
> >> >pawn him off on some one else those gullible cockroaches.
> >> >Scapegoat it away but the truth is the truth and facts are facts.
> >> >Stalin was a white christian butcher of whites.
> >>
> >> Stalin was a bastard of a Russian whore, who's father
> >> was jewish. Much like yourself. Far from Christian, he
> >> was much more like beast that served the greedy hand
> >> of the Bolshevik jews and Illumnati.
> >>
> >
> >  You eat cock don't you?
> >
>
> No, but I like a good BBQed nigger every now
> and then.
>
>

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From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Thu Jan  7 14:20:57 EST 1999
Article: 326034 of alt.revisionism
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From: canadian@bc.sympatico.ca
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust Revisionism Spam ( ((((( False
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:20:56 GMT
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Check the headers, again this shit isn't mine.	The little boy who is doing
this needs a swith behind the ears.


In article <1201800046082480@outlook.net>,
  mebesius  wrote:
> A. G. Phillbin wrote in message <368c0083.882163@news.wenet.net>...
> >On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 04:52:06 -0500, "Kenneth Wainwright"
> > gibbered and drooled:
> >
> >^I think that the white people have done enough for the so-called afro
> >^americans. We took you out of a savage world where you were running around
> >^half naked like a stray dog.
> >
> >Stray dogs run around half naked? Which half is clothed on a stray
> >dog?
>
> They are all runaways from fat-white ladies that love poodles named FIFI.
>
> >
> >^ We taught you how to bath and speak like a man.
> >
> >Whereas before they were bathing and speaking like...?
> >
> >^Even trained you to work like an ass or an oxen in the feild.
> >
> >Yes. Everyone should be greatful for that! BTW, oxen is plural for ox.
> >Saying "an oxen" is like saying "a goats."
> >
> >^ Taught you how
> >^to farm and to read and to write.
> >
> >People were farming in Africa for several millenia before they ever
> >saw a white man.
> >
> >^ At the same time that we were killing
> >^countless indians to drive them off of this land.
> >
> >So are you saying that blacks should be greatful to white people for
> >clearing the Indians out to make room for them?
> >
> >^ The white man gave you
> >^niggers the right to vote.
> >
> >Not without a fight.
> >
> >^ With out that there would have never been a civil
> >^rights movement.
> >
> >Actually, without the civil rights movement, blacks wouldn't have had
> >a full right to vote, just a paper one.
> >
> >^    If you correctly check
> >
> >As opposed to "incorrectly check!"
> >
> >^ your history books you will find that the
> >^so-called african americans would have never evolved into the what it is
> now
> >^without white peoples help. That is a historical fact the connot be
> >^disputed.
> >
> >And of course that clinches the argument!
> >
> >Are you satirizing white racists, or are you really this stupid?
> >
> >^Aiston wrote in message <36842B30.B0C3B628@freedom.com>...
> >^>>
> >^>> > It is time to stop the violence, people.  African Amerikans need to
> be
> >^>> > given a state of the US that we can make into a soverign nation where
> >^we
> >^>> > can live free from oppression.
> >^>> >
> >^>
> >^>Go to Africa and enjoy freedom among gorillas and lions in jungle.
> >^>That's where you belong to.
> >^>
> >^>.
> >^>
> >^
> >^
> >
>
>

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From canadian@bc.sympatico.ca Thu Jan  7 14:20:57 EST 1999
Article: 326075 of alt.revisionism
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From: canadian@bc.sympatico.ca
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Zundel's German UFO Theories ( Zundel my
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:10:50 GMT
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Again, the shit below does not belong to me, it's a forgery.

In article <0601992335585046@spicous.org>,
  mebesius  wrote:
>      While making it clear that I'm
> philosophically opposed to antiwhites in
> our White Loyalist newsgroups;  their
> poor performance here, normally proves
> claims, I rarely come out, and state .
>
> THAT SAID :
>
>      Censorship from the power of Authority,
> such as an employer, is extravagantly
> unacceptable .
>
>      Just-as flooding our newsgroups with
> forged, and, or, meaningless postings is
> no less acceptable censorship by technical
> means .
>
>      If-all this individual was doing, was
> stating its' own opinion, then that's
> between us, and it .
>
>      I can laugh at insults, and I can
> write enough, to hold my own with anyone .
>
>      As one of the longest posting members
> of this newsgroup, I'm offended that
> authority of any sort thinks it has the
> duty, or RIGHT, to protect ME from words .
>
>      What pathetic arrogance !
>
>      Just-you don't get caught in the
> crossfire !
>
> Ken.
>
> ------------Reply Separator----------------
> On 12/20/98 12:52PM, in message
> <367D637A.42A87070@pacbell.net>, Rick
>  wrote:
>
> kcuf@anti-social.com wrote:
> >
> > Greetings From KCUF Radio,
> >
> > It has come to our attention that our policy of
> allowing our staffers to the
> > post using the KCUF name has come to a negative
> conclusion in the stream of
> > complaints we have received regarding the politics
> and bombastic rhetoric of
> > a certain staffer, who is no longer with the
> station.  We apologize for any
> > offense or hurt this may have caused people of
> certain ethnic persuasions,
> > religious beliefs, cultural traditions or simply
> culinary habits.  This will
> > not happen in the future, since this e-mail and
> all of our others will
>
>      This coming from a station that plays "evil"
> and "hateful" black
> metal? BWAHAHAHAHA.... What pussies! Politically
> correct evil-doers huh?
>
>

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