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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> >Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> >>
> >> News Flash: Canada is
> >> no longer white, blonde, and Christian!
> 
> >But what is the majority?
> 
> What is the majority where? 

In Canada, the majority is still White, despite all the non-white,
Thirld World immigrants and bogus refugees we let into the country.

>In Richmond the majority are Chinese people.

That's why I never go to Richmond, they don't know how to drive worth
shit.  Doubt me, go to #3 Road, and see how long it takes you to go one
block.

> In Surrey, the majority are East Indians. 

That's why I moved from Surrey, couldn't stand their god-awful,
ugly-looking, stucco monster homes, and couldn't stand their driving
either, go to 120th or 72nd and you'll know what I mean.  BTW, the
majority of Surrey is still white, if you check the latest census
figures, it's just that in certain parts, like rootin' tootin' Newton,
the East Indians have taken foothold and created their own Khalistan
enclave.

>Does that mean they're not
> Canadians? 

No, it just means they don't want to assimilate.  They don't want to
become Canadian, they want to be "Indo-Canadian" or "South Asian" or
anything but an unhyphenated Canadian.  That's why they speak Punjabi or
Cantonese in public or in stores, rather than trying to improve their
English.  They're ignorant and got no respect for Canada's official
languages or Canadian traditions and heritage. 

>Are you actually trying to say that the majority of Canadians
> are christians?

Practicing Christians?  No.  Canadians born into Christian families and 
traditions?  Yes.


> >Let's just cancel Christmas for all the heathens and pagans--you all can
> >go to work.  Also, cancel Boxing Day, and that way all you Hindus and
> >East Indians won't have to stand in line waiting for the doors to open
> >at Future Shop or A&B Sound.
> 
> Does that mean Hindu's are 'heathen and pagan'? 

Yes, Hindus are pagans, they worship the creation and not the Creator.


>Boy you should leave the
> confines of your hut and step out of abbotsford once in a while!

Never lived in Abbotsford.  I was born and raised in Vancouver, but when
we whites started becoming a minority, we moved to Surrey, and when
there were too many East Indians moving in, we moved out to New
Westminster, a little city which still values its tradition and heritage
and seeks to protect that heritage by limiting the constrution of
monster homes.  However, like many whites, we are contemplating moving
to the Island or the Interior or Alberta, to get away from all the crime
and violence and social confusion associated with non-white, Third World
immigration.  It's called White Flight, and that is why the Lower
Mainland will become one big brown and yellow shitpit.  

> 
> >I have no problem with cancelling Christmas and its consumerism.
> >Bible-believing Christians, who still want to celebrate the birth of
> >Christ, will still be able to invoke Christmas as their religious
> >holiday.
> 


>Why dwell on changing the public salutations to respect
> hunakah, ramadan etc?


'Cause I don't give a shit about Jews or Muslims or Buddhists or
Sikhs--I didn't want them in this country in the first place.
If they don't want to celebrate Christmas like the rest of us, they can
go to work.  I wouldn't even presume to think of going to Indonesia or
Iran or Pakistan or India, and telling them to change their religious
and cultural holidays to fit my traditions and my wishes. 


> It's not that big a deal...to the 'average'
> canadian. 

Every "average" Canadian I know hates seeing Christmas turned into a
secular multicultural excuse to spend money.

>But white trash farts with a napoleon penis 

Is that what you are learning up at SFU?  Is that your argument?  I
think the taxpayers should get their money back.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> You know I read through your post several times, and am shocked as to how
> racist you really are! You're almost not worth responding to, but you make
> an arse of yourself so easily, that I just can't resist =)

Do you think I give a fuck if you think I'm racist?  Canada has been a
White nation since its birth and still is a White nation.  However, if
we keep letting you Third World immigrants into the country, it won't
be. 

And since it is your kind with their cultural "diversity" you want to
shove down our throats, and since you are the ones coming to our country
and don't want to respect our traditions and heritage, and since the
countries you are leaving are shitpits, don't even presume to lecture us
about how much we should change to accomodate your diversity.  

Why don't you try to fit in, speak English, and leave our religious and
cultural holidays alone? 

> 
> >In Canada, the majority is still White, despite all the non-white,
> >Thirld World immigrants and bogus refugees we let into the country.
> 
> ...yes save us from all the nasty bogus refugees taking our jobs..


Strange how a Third World worker in India or China or Mexico is a threat
to our jobs in the global economy, but as soon as he steps off the plane
and says "I am immigrant" or "I am refugee," he stops being a threat to
Canadian workers and unemployed Canadians looking for jobs.  
 

> 
> 
> >>In Richmond the majority are Chinese people.
> >That's why I never go to Richmond, they don't know how to drive worth
> >shit.  Doubt me, go to #3 Road, and see how long it takes you to go one
> >block.
> 
> Exhibit A: witness the true 'gutless pimp's' Xenophobia..

Richmond used to be a nice, quiet, little suburb, but now it's a traffic
congested sprawl of Chinese malls and motor vehicle accidents.

> 
> >> In Surrey, the majority are East Indians.
> 
> >That's why I moved from Surrey, couldn't stand their god-awful,
> >ugly-looking, stucco monster homes, and couldn't stand their driving
> >either, go to 120th or 72nd and you'll know what I mean.  BTW, the
> >majority of Surrey is still white, if you check the latest census
> >figures, it's just that in certain parts, like rootin' tootin' Newton,
> >the East Indians have taken foothold and created their own Khalistan
> >enclave.
> 
> Oh how clever of you..you even have a cute name for a part of town that
> you're afraid to visit. Exhibit B: further evidence of your xenophobia..

Why would I want to drive through that shitty part of town?

> 
> >>Does that mean they're not
> >> Canadians?
> >No, it just means they don't want to assimilate.  They don't want to
> >become Canadian, they want to be "Indo-Canadian" or "South Asian" or
> >anything but an unhyphenated Canadian.  That's why they speak Punjabi or
> >Cantonese in public or in stores, rather than trying to improve their
> >English.  They're ignorant and got no respect for Canada's official
> >languages or Canadian traditions and heritage.
> 
> Well,... ahem I can't even touch that with a ten foot pole. If
> assimilation is your goal, you're in the wrong country. Close your eyes
> and say it with me now "Mo-sa-ic, I live in a cultural, Mo-sa-ic".

When is the last time Canadians have been asked in a referendum if they
want a "mosaic" and Third World immigrants?  I was born here, and I got
a right to say I want Canada to stay a White European country.  The more
non-whites we get, the more they try to change our traditions and
heritage, and the more they argue for things like affirmative action. 
No non-white immigrants, no affirmative action.


> 
> 
> 
> >> Does that mean Hindu's are 'heathen and pagan'?
> >Yes, Hindus are pagans, they worship the creation and not the Creator.
> 
> And who do you worship? A god that condones moving out of a part of town
> because you're afraid of another culture or race? 

No, a God who tells us to separate from the heathen and foreign ideas
and people who bring with them social and moral confusion.


> 
> >Never lived in Abbotsford.  I was born and raised in Vancouver, but when
> >we whites started becoming a minority, we moved to Surrey, and when
> >there were too many East Indians moving in, we moved out to New
> >Westminster, a little city which still values its tradition and heritage
> >and seeks to protect that heritage by limiting the constrution of
> >monster homes.  However, like many whites, we are contemplating moving
> >to the Island or the Interior or Alberta, to get away from all the crime
> >and violence and social confusion associated with non-white, Third World
> >immigration.  It's called White Flight, and that is why the Lower
> >Mainland will become one big brown and yellow shitpit.
> 
> Actually, most of the crime in the lower mainland is in New West 

The crime in New West, if you have been watching the special reports on
crime in the Lower Mainland, has been the result of Honduran bogus
refugees selling drugs and doing other crimes to augment their welfare
money.


> And
> as a member of the reform party, if I were to meet you at a convention and
> hear you speak like this, I'd shove my card down your throat and kick you
> in the groin so you couldn't reproduce such racist trash ideals!

I'm not a member of the Reform Party, but if you want to see how tough
you are, let me know, and I'll scrap you.  No problem, I'll even meet
you up at SFU.  Pussy!


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> > mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Do you think I give a fuck if you think I'm racist?  Canada has been a
> >White nation since its birth and still is a White nation.  However, if
> >we keep letting you Third World immigrants into the country, it won't
> >be.
> 

>. The actual existence of such a white trash racist piece of dog
> shit this day in age points to your lack of education!

Not that I think a university education means that you are educated, or
that you have any common sense whatsoever, but I got my BA at SFU in
political science.

> 
> >And since it is your kind with their cultural "diversity" you want to
> >shove down our throats, and since you are the ones coming to our country
> >and don't want to respect our traditions and heritage, and since the
> >countries you are leaving are shitpits, don't even presume to lecture us
> >about how much we should change to accomodate your diversity.
> 
> yes... "we". You are speaking as a representative of "white canada"
> whatever that means. And yes, my country of origin is a shit pit,

And what country is that?  And why did you leave?  What made you think
Canada wanted you to come here and change everything?  Listen, I have no
problem with Third World immigrants coming here, if they got money
and/or skills, but I don't want them trying to change our traditions and
heritage.


> 
> >Why don't you try to fit in, speak English, and leave our religious and
> >cultural holidays alone?
> 


> 
> >Strange how a Third World worker in India or China or Mexico is a threat
> >to our jobs in the global economy, but as soon as he steps off the plane
> >and says "I am immigrant" or "I am refugee," he stops being a threat to
> >Canadian workers and unemployed Canadians looking for jobs.
> 
> 


> >Richmond used to be a nice, quiet, little suburb, but now it's a traffic
> >congested sprawl of Chinese malls and motor vehicle accidents.
> 
> Your ignorance speaks volumes!
> 
> >When is the last time Canadians have been asked in a referendum if they
> >want a "mosaic" and Third World immigrants?  I was born here, and I got
> >a right to say I want Canada to stay a White European country.  The more
> >non-whites we get, the more they try to change our traditions and
> >heritage, and the more they argue for things like affirmative action.
> >No non-white immigrants, no affirmative action.
> 
>


> 
> >> And who do you worship? A god that condones moving out of a part of town
> >> because you're afraid of another culture or race?
> >No, a God who tells us to separate from the heathen and foreign ideas
> >and people who bring with them social and moral confusion.
 
> you are seriously in need of an education!

That's the second time you've said that.

> 
> >> Actually, most of the crime in the lower mainland is in New West
> >The crime in New West, if you have been watching the special reports on
> >crime in the Lower Mainland, has been the result of Honduran bogus
> >refugees selling drugs and doing other crimes to augment their welfare
> >money.
> 
> Uhm.. yeah. 3 hondurans represent a good sample of all the immigrants into
> this country. 

Immigration Canada has said that almost all the Honduran "refugees" in
the Lower Mainland are bogus and are involved in crime to augment their
welfare money.


> 
> 
> YOu'd better bring jed and the boys! YeeeHaw! It's time for a good ol'
> fashion burnin'! You hush up whanda may!
> 
> Whatev tough guy, you're so racist and uneducated, you're a waste of my
> time!



First, you say you want to kick me in the nuts, and now you say I'm a
waste of time.  Coward.  

> --
> --
> Frederick Gharhamani Esq., Coward
> SFU Engineering Undergrad


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
>
> >And what country is that?  And why did you leave?
> well it woudln't do any good telling you, as I"m sure you have a childish
> rhyme about how much my people 'smell' or look like 'shit'.. so


What's wrong, don't you have any pride in your homeland?

> 
> >What made you think Canada wanted you to come here and change everything?
> >Listen, I have no problem with Third World immigrants coming here, if
> >they got money and/or skills, but I don't want them trying to change our
> >traditions and heritage.
> 
> what if enough of these skilled immigrants came in to the point that they
> were a local majority? [ie.richmond] You've allready presented that you in
> fact DO have a problem with immigrants.

Just because I avoid them, doesn't mean I want them kicked out of the
country.  In fact, if they spoke English and didn't plaster Richmond
with all those Chinese signs I can't read, maybe I might have a reason
to go there, but I don't.  If they tried to fit in, maybe more people
wouldn't resent them.


> 
> >> you are seriously in need of an education!
> >That's the second time you've said that.
> 
> if the shoe fits....
> You're a out on your own here I'm pretty sure. I haven't met too many
> biblethumping wife beating christians that hate immigrants... oh wait, I
> met lots at the last convention actually :->

Never hit my wife, and don't hate immigrants, just hate our current
open-door immigration policy.  BTW, I don't think Muslims or East
Indians treat their women anywhere near as good as Christians or
Whites.  If the dowry isn't big enough, isn't it the East Indians who
set their wife on fire? and isn't it your Muslim friends who
"circumcise" and mutilate their young women?

> 
> >Immigration Canada has said that almost all the Honduran "refugees" in
> >the Lower Mainland are bogus and are involved in crime to augment their
> >welfare money.
> 
> whatever, your paranoia speaks volumes. You still haven't addressed the
> key questions:
> 
> 1) how many languages do you speak?

How is this a "key" question?  This thread is about the secularization
of Christmas.  

FYI, only two: English and German.

> 2) does the majority of criminals in canada being WHITE mean that white
> canadians are bad? 

There are a lot of native-born Canadians, white, brown, and black, who
commit crime, so what?

>if not, then why should a couple of poor hondurans
> represent all immigrants? 

No immigrants or bogus refugees should commit any crimes, if they want
to stay in Canada.  They are guests, until they become Canadian
citizens.  And as guests, they better behave themselves, and we have the
right to kick them out, if they don't.  Unfortunately, we can't do the
same to Canadian citizens.   

> >First, you say you want to kick me in the nuts, and now you say I'm a
> >waste of time.  Coward.
> 
> sure thing...arts students have allways been 'creative' with their
> taunts..
>

Hey, what's wrong?  did you think I was on the other side of the country
or something?  You're a brave man, when you're hurling insults and
threats of violence at someone on the Internet, but when someone takes
you up on your challenge, you slither away.  Typical.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> >Hey, what's wrong?  did you think I was on the other side of the country
> >or something?  You're a brave man, when you're hurling insults and
> >threats of violence at someone on the Internet, but when someone takes
> >you up on your challenge, you slither away.  Typical.
> 
> ahem..yes it is *I* who is hiding behind a pseudonym...
> --
>

What pseudonym?  Mebesius is my last name and Quinn is my first name.  
But you still haven't answered my question.  What country are you from? 
Why did you leave?  What was it about Canada that made you think we
would change our traditions and heritage to accomodate your diversity?


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok this is now useless and ridiculous. Does anyone else who read this
> mebesius' posts think he's a dickless paranoid piece of racist dog shit
> aswell? Or is everyone in this newsgroup as ignorant as he?

Why don't you answer the question?  What country are you from? 
Why did you leave?  And what was it about Canada that made you think we
would change our traditions and heritage to accomodate your diversity? 
An attempt at an answer would suffice.  

BTW, why do you feel the need to call people "dickless paranoid piece of
racist dog shit"?  Is that how "educated" immigrant students get their
points across?  Considering you are the one who backed down after
challenging me to a fight, I think you should check between your own
legs.

> 
> --
> --
> Frederick Gharhamani Esq.
> SFU Engineering Undergrad and Goof


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> Read mbesius' posts again. "Rootin tootin newton", "Surrey is a Shit pit",
> "fucking hindus", "white flight", that sounds racist to me, 

Again, and let's put aside from your name-calling, what country are you
from?  Why did you leave?  And what makes you think Canada should change
its traditions and heritage to accomodate your diversity?  

BTW, if Hindus or Sikhs or Muslims or Germans come to my country and
refuse to fit in or speak the language or try to tell me that we should
change to accomodate their backward ways, then Yes I will refer to them
with the same respect they give my country and its heritage.


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Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> 
>
> 
> We treated Asian labour as a virtually unlimited pool of slave labour,
>

Who is "we"?  And remember, no one forced these Asians to get on ships,
sail across the world to North America, and work as "a virtually
unlimited pool of slave labour."


> Quinn Mebesius? He's an unabashed racist, and a man who seems deeply
> concerned about free speech issues. His racist roots are open and
> above board, and I'm amazed that anyone would have any question about
> where he stood. At one time, while complaining because I was calling
> George Burdi a craven coward for kicking a woman half his size in the
> face with a stell toed boot, Quinn compared the woman to a cockroach,
> and wondered aloud why anyone would think anything of it when someone
> stepped on her...
> 
> (Quinn, I should add that you've never made serious attempts to
> conceal what you are, and that you are very straightforward about what
> you believe, and why you believe it.)
> 
>

Sure, I would like Canada to be a White country for White folks.  But
the reality is that isn't going to happen any time soon.  So, my policy
is live and let live, just don't expect me to embrace your traditions or
expect me to like it.  Besides, you can't blame non-white immigrants for
coming to Canada, we let them in.  However, just as there are people
trying to make Canada less White and more "diverse," I think I have a
right to fight to keep Whites as the majority in this country.   You
want to change the racial and cultural composition of the country,
fine.  But I predict that when Whites slip into the minority, all that
affirmative action, politically correct, multicultural crap won't be
around to affirm the White dispossessed majority.


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Kenneth McVay OBC  wrote in article 

> Quinn Mebesius? He's an unabashed racist, and a man who seems deeply
> concerned about free speech issues. His racist roots are open and
> above board, 

And my opinions are mine and mine alone.  They do not represent the beliefs
of my family or anyone else.  



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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
>
> people like you have allways been around, your type turned the boat
> full of jews away when they were fleeing Hitler (your uncle no doubt!)
> 

Is Saddam your uncle?  or are you related to the Ayatollah Khomaini? 
Perhaps you're related to those Iranians in North Vancouver who
Immigration Canada says have fraudulently been "losing" their Canadian
passports, which are then found in Iran and sold to Iranian scam
artists.  Are you sure you want to play the generalization game?


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badams@cow-net.com wrote:
> 
> In <368951ef.13065728@news1.sympatico.ca>, on 12/29/98
>    at 10:08 PM, syber@sympatico.ca (E. Barry Bruyea) said:
> 
> >On 29 Dec 1998 20:41:58 GMT, fghahram@sfu.ca (Fredrick
> >Ghahramani) wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>Read mbesius' posts again. "Rootin tootin newton", "Surrey is a Shit pit",
> >>"fucking hindus", "white flight", that sounds racist to me, 


Whites are still the majority in Canada, native-born or landed
immigrant.  You, and others like you, want to change that.  Now, having
been born and raised in a predominantly White country, I want it to stay
that way.  There is a certain comfort level and quality of life I have
enjoyed living in a Canada where Whites are the majority, and I want it
to stay that way.   Ask most Whites and privately they will tell you
that they want Canada to remain a White country.  Very few Whites look
forward to a Canada where Whites are the minority, despite the
pronouncements of politically correct, multicult commissars otherwise.  

And yes this type of thinking is racist, no doubt about it.  It's not
the kind of racism which advocates the lynching of blacks, but it is
racism.  It is a survival instinct, or reflex.  It is a race seeking to
preserve its kind and a future for its children.  

I've tried to shake my racialist feelings, but I can't, it would be like
trying to get rid of my feelings for women.  Nonetheless, the reality of
Canada today is that there are many non-whites who are our Canadian
brothers and sisters.  In a free country, all you can do is live and let
live, treat each other with respect, and stay out of each other's way. 
All I ask is that immigrants to Canada respect our existing traditions
and heritage, speak English (or French), and try to fit in.  You can
always return to where you came from, if that is too hard.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
>               <368951ef.13065728@news1.sympatico.ca> <3689e95c$8$onqnzf$mr2ice@news.cow-net.com> <368A4803.51F8@bc.sympatico.ca>
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Whites are still the majority in Canada, native-born or landed
> >immigrant.  You, and others like you, want to change that.  Now, having
> >been born and raised in a predominantly White country, I want it to stay
> >that way.  There is a certain comfort level and quality of life I have
> >enjoyed living in a Canada where Whites are the majority, and I want it
> >to stay that way.
> 
> Oh man you're soooo ignorant. But ok, if it will make you angry, I am
> going to date your daughter, ha!

You like that word, eh, "ignorant."  Well, I can't think of anything
more ignorant than immigrants coming to Canada, not speaking either one
of the official languages in public, and then crying when the government
suggests that future immigrants have some proficiency in one of the
country's official languages, English or French.  If I even thought of
immigrating to whatever country you came from, I would make damn sure
that I knew the fuckin' language.  

BTW, why won't you say what country you are from?  Why did you leave? 
And why do you presume that Canada should change its traditions and
heritage to accomodate your diversity?  But since it seems you have no
pride in your heritage, why would you give a shit about Canada's?

> 
> 
> >Ask most Whites and privately they will tell you
> >that they want Canada to remain a White country.
> 
> Very nice straw pole you've done here. Is this what a university education
> has taught you? 

I have yet to see anything that resembles an argument from you, only
filthy language.

> 
> >And yes this type of thinking is racist, no doubt about it.  It's not
> >the kind of racism which advocates the lynching of blacks, but it is
> >racism.  It is a survival instinct, or reflex.  It is a race seeking to
> >preserve its kind and a future for its children.
> 
> hahaha! you just broght a tear of laughter to my eye.. you actually exist
> in this day and age? man you've been put your head in the sand long
> enough, time for some air. If you're proud of being racist, then you are a
> piece of dog shit. Plain and simple.

No, I'm proud of being Canadian, and I hate people who come to my
country and want to lecture me about what it means to be Canadian or
want to change my country so it hardly resembles the Canada I grew up
with.

> 
> >I've tried to shake my racialist feelings, but I can't, it would be like
> >trying to get rid of my feelings for women.
> 
> Well you want to hit women...so there is a violent streak behind your
> racism then..no?

You must be talking about the cockroach metaphor I used three years ago,
regarding the Ottawa riot and George Burdi being held responsible for
someone else kicking an anti-racist activist in the face.  Poorly-chosen
metaphor to explain my disbelief that someone who could be held
responsible for the actions of others, but I've told Ken McVay on many
occasions that I would never hit a woman, call me sexist, but that's not
my style.
 
> 
> >Nonetheless, the reality of
> >Canada today is that there are many non-whites who are our Canadian
> >brothers and sisters.  In a free country, all you can do is live and let
> >live, treat each other with respect, and stay out of each other's way.
> 
> aha! respect! like calling thim shit eaters and silly names...now you're

Where in this thread did I call your friends "shit eaters"?  Seems the
only one here calling people names and shit is you.

> 
> 
> Dumb shit.

See above for yet another example of Ghaharamani's amazing debating
skills and use of the English language.


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Fredrick Ghahramani  wrote in article
<76dqqd$abh$1@morgoth.sfu.ca>...
> 
> 
> >And that offended you, Bruce?  The Christmas message is one of peace and
> >brotherhood. Tell us why that bothers you.
> 
> 
> AHA! Brotherhood! I think mebesius needs to learn some respect for his
> 'shit eating hindu' brothers.
> 
> 

Where in this thread did I call your friends "shit eating hindus"?  Not
only would I hypenate "shit-eating" I would capitalize "Hindu."  Still, I
don't remember saying it.
Show me where I did.


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Ken McVay  wrote in article
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> In article <01be3405$5604f980$06f6f5cf@wordwork>,
> JMD  wrote:
> 
> 
> By the way, did you know that the systemic racism Aboriginal people have
> faced since those oh so swell white folks arrived is alive and well here?

> Now, not 100 years in the past? Perhaps it isn't guilt you should be
> feeling, but shame.

Ya, it's called the Nisga'a deal.



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Sylvan Korvus  wrote in article
...
> 
> There has been some argument lately about to what extent Canadians
> subscribe to various religions. This is from the StatsCan 1991 survey,
> which I believe can be taken as about the most authoritative study
> available. While subject to error, and it makes no distinction as to
_how_
> religious people are, it indicates their relative leanings.
> 
> Percentiles are my own, data can be viewed at
> http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/People/Population/demo30a.htm
> 
> Catholic: 46%
> Protestant: 36%
> Islam: .9%
> Buddhist: .6%
> Hindu: .5%
> Sikh: .5%
> Eastern Orthodox: 1.4%
> Jewish: 1.2%
> No religion: 12.5%
>

I guess I was premature in conceding that Canada was a post-Christian
nation.  Clearly, Gharahamani, your claim that Canada is less than 10%
Christian is wrong.  It is wishful thinking on your part, especially when
you argue for replacing Christmas with the generic "happy holidays," in
order to not upset the sensibilities of minorities. 



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Erik wrote:
> 
> Fredrick Ghahramani rote:
> 
> >hahaha! you just broght a tear of laughter to my eye.. you actually
> exist
> >in this day and age? man you've been put your head in the sand long
> >enough, time for some air. If you're proud of being racist, then you
> are a
> >piece of dog shit. Plain and simple.
> 
> Your habit of tagging people who want zero immigration as 'white trash'
> labels you as a racist bigot.  Especially when you don't actually know
> what the colour of their skin is.  I want zero immigration.  Sorry to
> say, that
> might include some white or non-white trash you'd like to see come to
> Canada.  And if you're not a Canadian citizen, I'd like to have you gone
> ASAP.
> 
> I'm sure Q.M. can handle the personal aspects of your ridiculous,
> taxpayer
> funded post.
> 

Funny, a couple of years ago when I was using my SFU Internet access to
post messages into newsgroups like can.politics, the SFU webmaster
threatened to yank my Internet privileges.  He said it was for "academic
purposes" and not for political discussions or my kind of "propaganda"
(you know, politically incorrect, anti-immigration, anti-affirmative
action, anti-multicult propaganda).  He said he had received numerous
complaints demanding that SFU pull the plug on me.  

Other critics e-mailed me and said they had contacted the registrar's
office and the department of political science (my major).  Nothing
happened though.  I was on good terms with both department heads and
neither said shit to me.

Now, I'm not going to complain to the SFU webmaster, 'cause I support
Ghaharamani's freedom of speech.  And if he chooses to debate us here in
can.politics, or surf the Web for porn, that's his business.  He is
given so much Internet time from SFU, and if he wants to waste it on
elementary school yard name-calling and insults, instead of doing his
research, fine.    That's his business and his Christmas break.


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The following is for all those recent immigrants to Canada who have the
nerve to lecture us about tolerance and diversity, and who demand that
we must change to accommodate their diversity.  Considering the
shitholes they left, I think we do a pretty good job here in Canada,
without sacrificing our traditions or heritage.

[from CBC Newsworld Web site]

                              Mobs torch Christian halls in India 
                              WebPosted Wed Dec 30 22:25:27 1998 

                              AHEMEDABAD, INDIA - Police in the Western
Indian state of
                              Gujarat say mobs have set fire to more
Catholic prayer
                              halls. 

                              No one has claimed responsibility for the
attacks on two
                              churches in the state's Surat district.
The incidents followed
                              Christmas Day violence in a predominantly
tribal district of
                              the state. 

                              Christian activists blame several Hindu
organizations
                              including the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World
Hindu
                              Council) for instigating attacks on their
community, but the
                              VHP has denied any involvement. 

                              The VHP has repeatedly said Christian
missionaries were
                              converting the poor by force. Christians
say they only offer
                              charity. 

                              A Vatican representative in India said a
Vatican
                              ambassador had been in touch with the
Indian government
                              about the attacks. The Indian government
has appointed a
                              team to investigate the attacks.


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JMD wrote:
> 
> You could also point out Indian repression in Khasmir where the Indian army
> regularly murders and terrorizes Khasmiri citizens.  Where the hell did this
> image of the mantra-chanting, blissed-out, peace-loving Indians ever come from?
>  Ghandi?  They assinated him!  India is a country that has a nuclear weapons
> program, for God's sake (all the while accepting aid from gold, old gullible
> Canada.)
> 
> You are right, we don't need lectures in tolerance from recent sub-continent
> arrivals.  Having said that, I disagree with your characterization of India and
> ethnic areas of Canada as shitholes. 

I figure India must be a shithole or there wouldn't be so many people
jumping out of it and into Canada and the rest of the world.  But I've
also seen some pictures of rural mountain India and it is quite
beautiful.  

As for the ethnic enclaves you can find in Toronto, Montreal, and
Vancouver, they are shitholes.  Maybe it's a matter of aesthetics, but I
just can't stand the god-awful, ugly-looking, stucco monster homes we
have here in Vancouver's Sikh and Chinese neighbourhoods.  For instance,
I had a girlfriend who lived in Surrey, and her parents had a nice brick
and wood Tudor-style house, and then Sikhs started moving into the
neighbourhood, buying similar style houses, tearing them down, and
replacing them with pink and yellow stucco monster homes.  There goes
the neighbourhood.  You see, the monster homes are built for maximum
capacity (to house all the family-reunificated grandmothers and aunts
and other "productive" immigrants).  They are not built for style or
heritage or single families.
 
And if Vancouver and Toronto and Montreal start to resemble their big
city cousins in the States, like Chicago and Detroit and Washington D.C,
then they will definitely be shitholes I wouldn't want to live in or
raise my kids.

But the beautiful thing about a free country like Canada is that I can
move to any part of this beautiful country I want to. :)


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Fredrick Ghahramani  wrote in article
<76fdut$ld6$1@morgoth.sfu.ca>...
> 
> Ok I give up.

Don't _ever_ give up.  But maybe that is why you are an immigrant.  Instead
of staying in your native country and fighting for what you believe in, you
run away.  Remind me the next time there is a war that I don't want you in
my trench.

> 
> yes I agree with Q.M and his thugs, 

I have no "thugs."  If anyone in this newsgroup agreed with even some of
what I said in this thread, you can bet that they have disagreed with me in
other threads and at other times.  That's the nature of newsgroups, we all
got opinions and most of the time our beliefs are as complex as human
nature can be.

> yes all us immigrants have come to this country to kill your
> judeo-christian ethics

What morality would you base our society on?

> yes I had been planning this all my life, run from my own country come
> with the clothes on my back, work hard, and replace some white person.

Don't give me your hard luck story, there are hundreds of thousands of
hard-working, working-class Canadians living hand-to-mouth, sending their
kids to daycare, and their wives to work, just so they can pay the taxes to
support your bogus refugees and your family-reunificated immigrants, of
which almost 50% say they have no intention of working in Canada
(Statistics Canada news release, 4 November 1997).

> Yes you're all right, we annoying immigrants are the cause of crime,
> our heathen ways are evil and are eating away at your nice white country.

Bullshit!  There are a lot of non-white immigrants who never commit any
crime and who resent the immigrants who come to Canada and do.   I don't
see how any Canadian would be opposed to kicking out landed immigrants and
refugees who commit crimes in Canada or are found to have committed crimes
in their native countries.  Until they become Canadian citizens, they are
guests, and they should behave accordingly.

> 
> To the white people on this newsgroup, I'm sorry, you're right, I
> shouldn't be a Canadian citizen if I'm not white, I'm just not as pure.

Who said you can't be Canadian if you're not white?  All we ask is that you
try to fit in.  There are a lot of non-white Canadians who do a bang up job
of being Canadian and work hard and pay their taxes and adopt the
traditions and heritage of their adoptive country.   



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Grant Fischer wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:30:28 GMT, mebesius  wrote:
> >Don't give me your hard luck story, there are hundreds of thousands of
> >hard-working, working-class Canadians living hand-to-mouth, sending their
> >kids to daycare, and their wives to work, just so they can pay the taxes to
> >support your bogus refugees and your family-reunificated immigrants, of
> >which almost 50% say they have no intention of working in Canada
> >(Statistics Canada news release, 4 November 1997).
> 
> Do you have an URL for this?
> 
> Here's The Daily for that date:
> http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/971104/d971104.htm
> 
> It focuses on immigration and citizenship, but I don't see where
> it talks about their employment intentions.

Weird.  It seems to have gone into the memory hole.  But remember, not
all statistical information from the 1996 Census is available through
the Internet, they want you to buy it!  My source is a note to myself
referring to a November 1997 Globe and Mail article which referred to a
November 4th news release by StatsCan.  I will find that Globe and Mail
article and work backwards to the primary source.  Hopefully, StatsCan
won't demand any money from me.  The actual number I have written down
is 47.12% of family class immigrants who said they did not intend to
work.  I suspect it is in "immigration household income sources" or
something, which can't be readily accessed on the Internet without
paying for it.


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Fredrick Ghahramani wrote:
> 
> mebesius  writes:
> 
> >Susan wrote:
> >>
> >> And is that not how the law is supposed to work.
> 
> >And if I was that father, and my daughter was raped and tortured and
> >brutally killed, I would kill that black fucker.  Justice system or no
> >justice system.                   
> 
> Tsk Tsk Tsk, your goal of inciting revolt against blacks is pretty
> transparent. It's aweful that the guy got off, but it has nothing to do
> with him being black, and you're confusing 2 issues. Ofcourse your
> confusion is no surprise.

Yup, when someone rapes and tortures and kills your daughter, you had
better be politically correct and not mention the fact that the fucker
was black (as was the case in the Middleton case) and reserve your anger
for some generic kind of fucker.  But that would paint over the fact
that Rebecca Middleton was singled out and raped and killed because she
was White.  If she was black and not a "piece of white meat" she would
have been left alone.  That is why it was a hate crime.


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Sylvan Korvus  wrote in article
...
> 
> There has been some argument lately about to what extent Canadians
> subscribe to various religions. This is from the StatsCan 1991 survey,
> which I believe can be taken as about the most authoritative study
> available. While subject to error, and it makes no distinction as to
_how_
> religious people are, it indicates their relative leanings.
> 
> Percentiles are my own, data can be viewed at
> http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/People/Population/demo30a.htm
> 
> Catholic: 46%
> Protestant: 36%
> Islam: .9%
> Buddhist: .6%
> Hindu: .5%
> Sikh: .5%
> Eastern Orthodox: 1.4%
> Jewish: 1.2%
> No religion: 12.5%
>

I guess I was premature in conceding that Canada was a post-Christian
nation.  Clearly, Gharahamani, your claim that Canada is less than 10%
Christian is wrong.  It is wishful thinking on your part, especially when
you argue for replacing Christmas with the generic "happy holidays," in
order to not upset the sensibilities of minorities. 

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